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#1
Quote from: Ulick on August 19, 2016, 12:18:18 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2016, 11:17:48 PM
It's a bit like a Judge in a trial contacting a witness and telling him what to say.
Jaysus Shinners will ye just take ye're lead from McKay who resigned - "voluntarily" no doubt.

Well here's a thing. I was a witness in a trial a few years back and I got quite a bit of advice from the judge about how to answer questions. Quite a bit more that two Tweets worth as well. Should the judge resign also?

Really, did he advise you by Twitter or instant messaging or privately in his chambers or maybe by one of his colleagues speaking to you in private?  I would have thought that his advice would have been given in open court and would have been transparent, just as when Daithi McKay asked similar transparency in asking, on 20 August 2015,  for witnesses to come forward to the NAMA inquiry:

http://www.sinnfein.ie/ga/north-antrim-daith-mckay-mla?limit=10&start=40&offset=70

Sinn Féin MLA Daithí McKay called today on anyone with information relevant to the sale of NAMA's northern loans to bring it forward to an Assembly inquiry.

Daithí McKay said:

"Hearings into the sale of the NAMA portfolio will resume next week when the Law Society will appear in front of the Finance Committee's inquiry.

"I am appealing to anyone with information relevant to this inquiry to bring it forward so that we can shed light on the events surrounding the sale of the NAMA loans.

"To date we have invited several key players to appear before the committee, including former ministers and government officials.

"No stone will be left unturned in this inquiry and we will use powers to compel key witnesses to appear in the interests of transparency."

http://www.sinnfein.ie/ga/north-antrim-daith-mckay-mla?limit=10&start=40&offset=50#

http://www.sinnfein.ie/ga/north-antrim-daith-mckay-mla?limit=10&start=50&offset=60#

#2
Quote from: trileacman on August 18, 2016, 10:55:55 PM
About the only positive thing I can think to say about Dhaiti is that he had the good sense to fall on his sword and accept is wrongdoing. Too many politicians see fit to blindly plough on through their disgrace unabashed.


Nothing so noble in his resignation.  He has resigned as a MLA because he now becomes an ordinary citizen in an attempt to avoid any further embarrassment for the party hierarchy in an official investigation into the affair if he remained as a MLA open to disciplinary action for his manipulation of the committee process.  However, he is open to an attempt at prosecution for malfeasance in public office, interesting to see if the authorities follow that up.
#3
Quote from: Ulick on August 18, 2016, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: Disillusioned on August 18, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
It's not necessary but this is a further example of the sheer arrogance oozing from SF MLAs who believe they are above us all, that they could not be crossed by anyone for fear of what would become of the individual and they are now firmly ensconced in government where they now control the levers of power over anyone or anything they wish.

No doubt that McKay was not operating alone and he had the backing of his colleagues and a party that exerts ruthless central control of all actions by its elected representatives.   As Sammy Wilson put so eloquently this morning, "a SF MLA can't order a box of staples without sanction by Connolly House".  The communications reported today show that at least one other MLA was involved in a choreographed appearance by Bryson.

Pardon me if I don't take Sammy's word for what happens in SF for obvious reasons, but why should we believe you?

You make my point for me on the attitude of SF and how they minimise their own actions when caught out and then attempt to make it appear that anyone raising a challenge is the issue while trying to put their centralist groupthink as the only version that can be correct as evidenced by your previous posts.
#4
Quote from: TabClear on August 18, 2016, 12:52:42 PM


Is being a moron compulsory for all our MLAS? Both sides.  You couldn't make it up

It's not necessary but this is a further example of the sheer arrogance oozing from SF MLAs who believe they are above us all, that they could not be crossed by anyone for fear of what would become of the individual and they are now firmly ensconced in government where they now control the levers of power over anyone or anything they wish.

No doubt that McKay was not operating alone and he had the backing of his colleagues and a party that exerts ruthless central control of all actions by its elected representatives.   As Sammy Wilson put so eloquently this morning, "a SF MLA can't order a box of staples without sanction by Connolly House".  The communications reported today show that at least one other MLA was involved in a choreographed appearance by Bryson.
#5
If you are a true native of this island you would go back in doors or be prepared to be immediately sunburnt.
#6
Of all of the many words written in the media especially by those who have played the game at the highest levels, some must ring through for Tyrone.

First of all the attachment to the system at all costs has taken away the individual magic and creativity that previously won games for Tyrone when they had better players across the board but particularly in the forward line such as Canavan and Mulligan.  It has allowed Harte to make the most of his meagre resources, i.e. lack of top class players that would walk onto any side.

The lack of depth in the panel has been exposed on two counts, firstly when the best player you can bring on when a score is needed is McNulty, it is not a good sign, he is a very good club player but not someone who can win a match.  Secondly, the small group of forwards are all the same, there is no difference in O'Neill, McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley, the u21 players introduced this year (Monroe, McGeary, etc).  All relatively small stature, needing the ball placed in their hands and a poor conversion percentage especially when up against good backs and a double sweeper system.

Unless a top class free taker or two of them for each side of the pitch then scoring will remain a challenge when a free from 40 metres in should be a certain score except in inclement circumstances. Scoring percentage will remain too low.  Stop using Morgan, when he starts missing, he continues.  Stop kicking the ball into the goalkeepers arms, surely any forward should have the strength and technique to kick a ball over 45m.

Only Donnelly, Harte and Sludden are players who would walk onto any team.  The Cavanagh's are in their twilight periods and should be used as impact players. Note how O'Shea just swatted Colm aside.  Though Sean would probably walk away unless guaranteed a place in championship football.

The Tyrone conveyor belt is not quite broken but it is now producing the same type of player over and over again.  All coached in the same way and generally bereft of the creativity, imagination and football intelligence that the best of the past possessed and allowed them to be match winners.  Development squads are not working in producing individual genius that is needed for match winners.

Clean up your act at every level, the persecution complex as displayed by managers, some players and supporters is best treated somehow.  There has been too many recorded instances of unacceptable behaviour by Tyrone players that has been at best condoned by managers and at worst developed by some coaches for a reliable reputation to have been developed that affects those who are disciplined, such as Harte, Donnelly, etc. when dealing with other teams and officials.
#8
Then he uses the media again to ensure no one at county board or other level decides to tap him on the shoulder and tell him that like many long running GAA managers before him, he has done well but now is the time for change to move things on.  Long running managers in other counties have always failed to bring back All Ireland success and their counties are now bumping song the bottom, with Meath and Down coming to mind.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2016/08/10/news/mickey-harte-begins-plotting-for-2017-645014/

P.S. looks like his time in Mayo has badly affected Tony Mac! (photo in this article)
#10
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 01:05:54 PM
I'm saying that if a Tyrone player did what Keegan did and had the track record of doing what Keegan did then the focus would have firmly been on a different light of Keegan's performance and not the good side of it.

Where would you start to list the Tyrone players that Keegan couldn't hold a candle to for this type of close treatment and worse to the opposition players? 

Time to catch yourself on and admit that since 2003 Tyrone teams have particularly behaved in an embarrassing and unacceptable manner towards the opposition.  We have all seen the continuing theme in all the changes in personnel over 13 years.

The crying of Tyrone players to the media about the big bad opposition players who have beaten them has a tradition running back to 1996 when they whinged on the Marian Finucane rte radio show after the All Ireland final semi at the hands of those rough Meath men.
#12
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on August 09, 2016, 08:21:10 AM

Maybe your comprehension skills are poor but I've actually agreed that Cavanagh does it a lot in the very first few words in my previous post. He has had to grow wise to winning frees throughout his career as he takes an awful lot of illegal interference when he carries the ball.

You are right and we are all wrong, we had forgotten that the players should have parted to allow Cavanagh to carry on unimpeded.  How dare anyone attempt to tackle or hinder him.

Catch yourself on, Cavanagh was driving through and he always had two options, break the tackles and score/hand off for a score or get a free and score (see Aidan O'Shea).  He opted as he has frequently done when unable to break the tackle and tried to fool the officials by pulling the tackler down on top of himself.  Lucky not to get his marching orders at this stage for this offence. 

Cavanagh was frustrated on Saturday by his own inability to master his marker and get into the game, fair play to Keegan, he did his job and better, he outscored Cavanagh. It's sad for Cavanagh but that's how sport goes, you get older and your powers wane, what was possible before becomes much more difficult now and also they change the rules to get you. 

O'Rourke could get away with his punches in the days when the game was savage and often brutal, when being sent off was no bother, it was a badge of honour, and officials turned a blind eye, no media interference to worry about.  It was a world away from today's sanitised game where goading specific opposition players to their breaking point is planned and orchestrated as a team tactic.
#13
Quote from: Jinxy on August 08, 2016, 11:38:38 PM
Forget it Bomber, you'll never understand.

It's not down to understanding, it is a continued defence of trampish behaviour that is both organised and accepted as part of the team tactic, e.g. Justin McMahon on Michael Murphy in Ballybofey was one of the most disgusting examples of a plan organised by members of the team management and a player willing to implement.
#14
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
I frankly don't like it and don't care if people think I'm talking bollix.

Anyone who would believe that your criticism of sledging is nonsense is either only showing their own lack of class and manilness in the game or defending trampish behaviour by one or more of their own county players.  As I have stated before, this type of behaviour is now endemic in Tyrone football, just watch any of their school or underage teams to see how it is already drilled into players at this stage and accepted by the coaches. 

Referees have suddenly shown that they can deal with time wasting by adding 6 or 8 minutes to the end of a match.  If the same resolve was taken with a few black cards, based on information from linesmen or umpires, for such disgusting behaviour a similar result would be achieved.  A video referee or review of games for this behaviour would be another way to halt it.  Unfortunately, there is no will to tackle it.
#15
Quote from: jp2020 on August 07, 2016, 08:45:38 AM

Mickey obviously at the very least condones this behaviour, or at worst encourages it. Unless he wins another Sam his legacy is going to be tainted by this behaviour! Its no coincidence that too many of the Tyrone players spend half their time goading opposition players! And i think its getting worse, would Horse have any influence?? This whole thing leaves bad taste and sets an extremely bad example to our children! Maybe Mickey should be asked to explain that instead of yapping about the "targetting" of Sean!!

Harte has full plausible deniability on the behaviour of the players towards their opponents, there are always others to ensure this occurs and is systematic.  The black card was introduced to halt this behaviour but no referee has the backbone to use it for this purpose with his officials able to feed him with the information about it.  This type of behaviour is endemic in Tyrone football and is drilled into players from their earliest competitive representative stage.  Coaches know that their players are sent out to goad the opposition and their role models at county level are there from 2003.  The problem with this type of behaviour is that players actually believe that they are affecting the opposition.

Yesterday, Tyrone met a Mayo team that is no longer as flaky as in the past, they have developed a meaner streak that may make some of them unlikeable but they stood up to the Tyrone tactic and went back as hard.  Ironic, that the only time all day Cavanagh rolled around on the ground looking for a yellow card, he got a yellow card for it and it led to Tyrone's failure. On SKY, Canavan firmly blamed Cavanagh's foolish yellow card for the Tyrone loss, saying that he wasn't there when Tyrone needed him.

Glory hunters lost the game for Tyrone in the final 10 minutes when it could have been drawn or even won. McCann, McCarron and Morgan should not have been attempting to score, the system allows for the ball to be held up until a score can be taken. Morgan should stay between the sticks, yesterday was another example of how he can kick Tyrone out of a game when he is allowed to take the long range frees.