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[Section 7]

Well Pangurban it was very difficult for me to get past Section 4. I only managed it this morning.

It came  as no surprise to me that this letter falls far short of any significant acceptance of responsibility for the crime or admission of a cover-up. Pope Benedict seeks to place almost all responsibility on the priests involved in child abuse  and he tries to divert blame for the role of the bishops, archbishops, and popes who kept the deviants in positions where their immoral and criminal activity was likely to be repeated.

Section 7 is the only place where he talks about "responsibility" for the crime. As such he points a finger
of blame at those who have already been convicted, thereby telling us nothing.

Section 11,
In this wordy section of the letter, Pope Benedict falls far short of accepting administrative responsibility for the child sex -abuse crimes
committed or any subsequent cover-up. He talks about "serious mistakes" and "failures of leadership", but he offsets that with "long
established norms of canon law", "how difficult it was to grasp the extent and complexity of the problem", "continuing to cooperate with
civil authorities", and so on. He calls for "decisive action carried out with complete honesty and transparency", but that is just bull.
The pope's letter itself does not reflect any kind of decisive action (other than writing a letter), and the words of the letter certainly
do not display either "complete honesty" or "transparency".

This letter is will not be well received throughout the world and I doubt that it will be well received by those Irish Catholics who are proactive on this whole sex abuse saga..

Not a big church man, but reckon the RC church needs some big PR guru, to ride in (excuse the pun) on a big black stallion (excuse the pun), and highlight the good they've done. We're losing / going to lose a load of good priests because of the medias excessive addiction with a few; not saying it shouln't be highlighted, just that it should be broadcast in as an unbiased way as possible

If you had your head out of yer arse,  ie trolling in the Celtic thread , you might have noticed that blame the media for a witch-hunt has been a constant theme, right up to Cardinal Brady's homily demanding that the drip drip effect be stopped.

Indeed the Pope himself (when Cardinal) was a great proponent of the media witch-hunt theory, probably as he was the head of the Inquisition at the time.
(intellect warning - the statistics he used are wrong and do not reflect actual figures of abuse done by clergy in the US, estimated at least 5%)

http://www.zenit.org/article-5979?l=english
Cardinal Ratzinger: "In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type. The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts. Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion."

What exactly does John Hayes do, apart from the scrum?
I was trying to follow his progress, but got quickly bored as he trotted from one place to the next around the fringes.

[is well inside]

A period of one minute between the indication of intention to kick at goal and the actual kick is well inside the zone of "undue delay".

So 90 seconds is grand, it's on the edge.

90 seconds alloted to a kick.

Did Rog have a perfect penalty record 11/11?

Parks is doing exactly what O'Gara would do in the same circumstances.

Well done to Scotland, a well deserved victory

ROG rules  OK.

Too easy for Scotland.
Bring ROG on.

Where can we pick up an application form? What's the interview process like? 

Your word is your bond.

How did you format it then?

Life is a lot simpler in Mac Os,  even Windows fat32 formating is a one click formality for drives and partitions greater  than 32gb in size
You have my sympathy.

Hardy wrote

Nowhere does he come out clearly and instruct priests, bishops and lay people that the primary requirement is to report child abuse to the police promptly and to ensure, above all, that abusers should be deprived, at all costs, of the opportunity to re-offend.

The procedures to address a present day sex abuse cases are already outlined elsewhere and assumed as understood.

I am proceeding very slowly with this document.

Read paragraph 4 carefully

Basically the Pope is repeating that lack of faith not only in the sex abusers but amongst the congregation was part of the  context for sex abuse 
4. 'Fast-paced social
change has occurred, often adversely affecting people's traditional
adherence to Catholic teaching and values. All too often, the sacramental
and devotional practices that sustain faith and enable it to grow, such as
frequent confession, daily prayer and annual retreats, were neglected'.

and most bizzarly

'In particular, there was a well-intentioned but misguided tendency to avoid
penal approaches to canonically irregular situations.'

'It is in this overall
context that we must try to understand the disturbing problem of child
sexual abuse, which has contributed in no small measure to the weakening
of faith and the loss of respect for the Church and her teachings'.

In the Pope's eyes the overall context is the weakening faith of the congregation combined with the misplaced good intentions of the Bishops etc,  contributed to the sex abuse phenonomen.

I am open to receive other interpretations of chapter 4

If someone here does want to get an invite to Demonoid, then I can provide one.

No chancers  please.
Want, here is qualified as a sincere desire, knows how a torrent site functions, knows how to use a torrent client and will use access to and the functions of the site, with responsibility.

I am also open to swapping an invite for Demonid, for an invite to the Immortalseed for example.

That pastoral letter has come.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0320/abuse.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0320/popeletter.pdf

Imo the standard should be
a. inadequate response to sexual abuse allegations,
b. inadequate sanctions placed on abusive priests,
c. The cover up allowing priests to continue abuse, is a crime of omission, in this case omission is just as
objectionable as a crime of commission.


A and B are addressed  and once accepted it should lead  to  C.
The Pope is waffling around the crime of omission, but I will read it more closely.

I just happened to be listening to Nolan when walking to work this morning and I think it was this girl being interviewed. Now, I know nothing about her and I'm sure she was recounting everything as she remembered it, but as someone who hasn't been following this over the past week or so and has a 'fresh eye' I thought her story was full of holes. Don't get me wrong, I've no doubt she suffered horribly but at the same time she contradicted herself all over the show. Nolan being Nolan was just intent on sensationalising the interview but I don't think was actually listening to what she was saying. For me it just highlights the dangers of the media frenzy where everyone is afraid to question the victims account.

I fail to find holes in the timeline. I think you are way out of order here.
Be specific, listen to it again and make exact reference to your misgivings.
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/northernireland/nolan/nolan_20100319-0900a.mp3

By now I think everybody has heard this shambolic character called Msgr. Dooley, as it appears he can't keep his mouth shut. His purpose imo these last few days, has been to make us all aware of the extent and absurdity of the evil darkness under which all this abuse has been allowed to carry on over the past decades.
If the Vatican did have a hit squad they would have surely been sent on a mission to dispatch him to his everlasting extra hot resting place.

It is not going to end here. The Pope as Cardinal is next for ruthless scrutiny over his role as head of the Inquisition.
From what I can gather, the code of conduct for the clergy is pretty much taken from the credible American Bishops charter in 2001/ 2002. The Ratzinger/Vatican inspired code of conduct model is highly suspect.