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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: November 22, 2017, 11:40:10 PM »
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/

Tony Connolly is the best source of accurate analysis on Brexit- it takes a Nordie to produce clarity on this complex issue.
I suppose there is the odd Nordie who can put a pen to paper and elicit an intelligent and astute article which cuts to the core of the dilemma of the brexit in relation to the border and inform the rest of us. However, for the most part, Nordies are highly strung and best avoided as a source of rationality.

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I know I shouldn't also but should FF be in a position to be the senior partner in a majority coalition government with SF after the next election, I think discussions about the politics and morality of the use of the gun in the recent war v all the forces that supported the planters, will conveniently be put on the back burner.

MM has already said he's not going to go into government with SF. The political damage for going against the will of the people and his own words would literally end his political career. Try again.
And you are the person who would believe the word of a politician ;D

If after the next election, where the FF party decide to turn down an option to lead a coalition government because of their principled objection  not to entertain a partnership with SF, then I'll take their 'principled' objection seriously. Until that time  it's just guff.

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I know I shouldn't also but should FF be in a position to be the senior partner in a majority coalition government with SF after the next election, I think discussions about the politics and morality of the use of the gun in the recent war v all the forces that supported the planters, will conveniently be put on the back burner.

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General discussion / Re: The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread
« on: November 22, 2017, 09:45:22 PM »
That game just emphasises the gap in class between an elite team and a 4th seeded team. The most important result of the night was Bayern beating Anderlecht when they had nothing but pride to play for, there was a brief moment of anxiety when Anderlecht drew level late on but was deemed to be an offside goal.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 18, 2017, 11:09:15 AM »
Only stupid fans will think Martinís whole time as manager of the ROI team will be remembered for putting on subs at halftime of a playoff for the World Cup with that squad!
You think it was about 2 subs at half time?
Among many things, he will be remembered for this, the most inept tactical performance by an Irish manager in a competitive game (arguably)  ever. Basic player mistakes for the most part are also down to O'Neill.
O'Neill's plan for this game was destined to lose (even after we scored) and then to compound the errors, he made those substitutions which sabotaged any minute chance that the game could be salvaged.
There was mention that it was the worse since Cyprus,  but Stan was a complete rookie for that game when he like O'Neill made errors with midfield and tactics in general, O'Neill has no such excuse for that shambles.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 14, 2017, 07:37:06 PM »
Because theyíre a mediocre bunch of footballers who have been coached into playing a system that has no room for continuity, flair or intuition. Which means that when they go a goal down va a better side, they simply donít have the belief or experience to make a game of it.

The World Cup will bea horror show if we get there
I think you're intentionally avoiding my question. What's the difference between Ireland and Iceland with regards to progressing at the world cup? My point is that we can be coached to achieve better than you're suggesting.

Jesus Iím not avoiding the point.

Iceland are a limited side whoíve worked out if they counter attack with intent, they can spoil and beat better teams.

Ireland have absolutely no game plan / tactics for counter attacking. They just boot the ball away. Itís kot possession football, itís not territory football, itís shot football.
From what I've seen, Iceland are anything but a limited team, they have deservedly topped their qual group, have beaten Turkey, Croatia and Ukraine at home and hammered Turkey away in a crunch group decider. That's not the stuff of a limited team, that's the stuff of an excellent team who have emerged from limited circumstances.  Iceland play as a team of players who know each other inside out, they play (mostly)  a sophisticated flexible  442, which can only be achieved with every player in a disciplined manner understanding their role and their fellow players. That's football intelligence in action.
I'd share most people's turn off with Ireland's utter inability to posses the ball.
However, for these play offs it's 100% about the result and O'Neill  succeeded in neutralising  Denmark to the extent of them only having 3  or so shots on goal. The cliche applies, it's only half time.
I've just looked at the clubs that Iceland's squad play for, as, strangely, it seems to be the main reason that many posters use to justify Ireland's inability to play good football, or to achieve.

Here are the clubs of their most capped players: Randers, Aberdeen, Rubin Kazan, Lokeren, Burnley, Aston Villa, Everton, Cardiff City.

If Ireland shouldn't be expected to win their group and if "we don't have the players" to play decent football because our players don't play for top clubs, then how do Iceland buck this trend?
From your list of clubs you leave out Finnbogasson of Augsburg in the  Bundesliga, Hallfridsonn of Udinese  in Serie A, Kolbeinnsson is injured at Nantes.
Iceland have players playing regularly in the premier division of the vast majority of west European leagues, Israel and Russia. The players have been coached at club level since the age of 5 by licensed coaches in their home land. Usually they finish their A level education before moving abroad and have already had experience playing at senior level. Irish LOI  football clubs are decades behind the Iceland structure.

The question is more how can Iceland be on a par and even better than the other Scandinavian countries who have a similar sporting culture, with a longer established, better financed and more resourceful infrastructure. Perhaps one difference is that Iceland has the island mentality, they have adapted over generations to a harsher environment/conditions and just get on with life, and now they have learned to play football.

Well I picked out the players that had over 50 caps so it wasn't intentional. . I don't see the relevance of them playing top level football in countries such as Denmark, Israel or Scotland.

Rather than all the players playing in one football culture, Iceland have players who have adapted to different cultures and  have been exposed to a wide variety of coaching methods. The more a player has to adapt to a premier standard in another culture, the more he is likely to adapt to the international game.

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They're no better than the Championship in England in my opinion where most of our players play. I was going to say you might have a point about the coaching but  ultimately their players still play at a similar level to ours. And our players generally don't play hoofball with their clubs.
The question is why can't Irish players adapt to international football  or don't do it consistently enough, when Iceland players can adapt.
I have given a few possible reasons for that.
Also the championship standard  imo is overrated  and doesn't compare favorably with football leagues the like of  Augsburg  Udinise Rostov/Rubin Kazan have to compete in and for that matter the Austrian the Swiss league and the Belgian league is a better standard.

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Also, Iceland are good now with limited players but historically they haven't. Have they just got a better than usual bunch?
I have explained why I think they now have a better bunch since their FA implemented fundamental coaching changes and also important infrastructure changes.

Iceland have no football culture per se, they really only started a football league in earnest after the 1966 world cup  and that in hostile weather elements. Indoor sports were more popular,  team  handball is still the national sport.

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 14, 2017, 04:17:54 PM »
Because theyíre a mediocre bunch of footballers who have been coached into playing a system that has no room for continuity, flair or intuition. Which means that when they go a goal down va a better side, they simply donít have the belief or experience to make a game of it.

The World Cup will bea horror show if we get there
I think you're intentionally avoiding my question. What's the difference between Ireland and Iceland with regards to progressing at the world cup? My point is that we can be coached to achieve better than you're suggesting.

Jesus Iím not avoiding the point.

Iceland are a limited side whoíve worked out if they counter attack with intent, they can spoil and beat better teams.

Ireland have absolutely no game plan / tactics for counter attacking. They just boot the ball away. Itís kot possession football, itís not territory football, itís shot football.
From what I've seen, Iceland are anything but a limited team, they have deservedly topped their qual group, have beaten Turkey, Croatia and Ukraine at home and hammered Turkey away in a crunch group decider. That's not the stuff of a limited team, that's the stuff of an excellent team who have emerged from limited circumstances.  Iceland play as a team of players who know each other inside out, they play (mostly)  a sophisticated flexible  442, which can only be achieved with every player in a disciplined manner understanding their role and their fellow players. That's football intelligence in action.
I'd share most people's turn off with Ireland's utter inability to posses the ball.
However, for these play offs it's 100% about the result and O'Neill  succeeded in neutralising  Denmark to the extent of them only having 3  or so shots on goal. The cliche applies, it's only half time.
I've just looked at the clubs that Iceland's squad play for, as, strangely, it seems to be the main reason that many posters use to justify Ireland's inability to play good football, or to achieve.

Here are the clubs of their most capped players: Randers, Aberdeen, Rubin Kazan, Lokeren, Burnley, Aston Villa, Everton, Cardiff City.

If Ireland shouldn't be expected to win their group and if "we don't have the players" to play decent football because our players don't play for top clubs, then how do Iceland buck this trend?
From your list of clubs you leave out Finnbogasson of Augsburg in the  Bundesliga, Hallfridsonn of Udinese  in Serie A, Kolbeinnsson is injured at Nantes.
Iceland have players playing regularly in the premier division of the vast majority of west European leagues, Israel and Russia. The players have been coached at club level since the age of 5 by licensed coaches in their home land. Usually they finish their A level education before moving abroad and have already had experience playing at senior level. Irish LOI  football clubs are decades behind the Iceland structure.

The question is more how can Iceland be on a par and even better than the other Scandinavian countries who have a similar sporting culture, with a longer established, better financed and more resourceful infrastructure. Perhaps one difference is that Iceland has the island mentality, they have adapted over generations to a harsher environment/conditions and just get on with life, and now they have learned to play football.





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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 13, 2017, 11:01:16 PM »
Somehow it's most always overlooked or forgiven when it come to Italy  but they have a consistent quota of players in any of their teams who dive, cheat, simulate great agony, just like in this game. This evening the ref didn't buy one of their pranks but he should have booked 2 or 3 of the worst offenders. I'm not 'unglad' that Italy are out.

With the bar's baseline figure now being lowered to 24% possession this evening, that makes Ireland seem almost technically proficient in the possession stakes.

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General discussion / Re: Poppy Watch
« on: November 13, 2017, 10:48:19 AM »
James McClean has God on his side.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/he-shows-great-restraint-strength-and-integrity-cleric-admires-james-mcclean-for-poppy-stance-36313291.html

'A top Church of Ireland cleric has criticised the "ostentatious" wearing of poppies by everyone from sports commentators to 'X Factor' judges almost as a fashion statement while adding that he admired Irish soccer star James McClean's decision not to wear the symbol.'

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: November 12, 2017, 08:11:48 PM »
Because theyíre a mediocre bunch of footballers who have been coached into playing a system that has no room for continuity, flair or intuition. Which means that when they go a goal down va a better side, they simply donít have the belief or experience to make a game of it.

The World Cup will bea horror show if we get there
I think you're intentionally avoiding my question. What's the difference between Ireland and Iceland with regards to progressing at the world cup? My point is that we can be coached to achieve better than you're suggesting.

Jesus Iím not avoiding the point.

Iceland are a limited side whoíve worked out if they counter attack with intent, they can spoil and beat better teams.

Ireland have absolutely no game plan / tactics for counter attacking. They just boot the ball away. Itís kot possession football, itís not territory football, itís shot football.
From what I've seen, Iceland are anything but a limited team, they have deservedly topped their qual group, have beaten Turkey, Croatia and Ukraine at home and hammered Turkey away in a crunch group decider. That's not the stuff of a limited team, that's the stuff of an excellent team who have emerged from limited circumstances.  Iceland play as a team of players who know each other inside out, they play (mostly)  a sophisticated flexible  442, which can only be achieved with every player in a disciplined manner understanding their role and their fellow players. That's football intelligence in action.
I'd share most people's turn off with Ireland's utter inability to posses the ball.
However, for these play offs it's 100% about the result and O'Neill  succeeded in neutralising  Denmark to the extent of them only having 3  or so shots on goal. The cliche applies, it's only half time.


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Even though the Swiss missed about 6 gilt edged chances to score, NI were a very different proposition this evening, a lot more positive and confident. In the end they had a very decent chance to bring it to ET.
That late Swiss sub Embolo was a breath of fresh air,  so un-Swiss like in everything he did.

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There is no comparison at all. There is no comparison in the level of outrage being expressed. Thierry Henry handled a ball in a football match. You'd nearly have thought he led the French to invade Ireland and stole all of our worldly goods. It led to all sorts of petitions, campaigns and opened the door for wanton racism on social media. He is still a figure of hate, laughably. It was and still is amazingly cringeworthy.
Social media hate towards Henry??  get a grip ffs,
Even you can make moronic statements on social media.
The dogs on the street heard about the  Henry hand ball, it was huge news  that went around the world many times over.  You didn't give a shŪte about the Irish team and their world cup dreams, that's fair enough, but it appears that sneering is your forte and some lofty ambitions  to claiming a moral high ground.
Henry is not a figure of hate in Ireland, he was a character in a drama played out years ago, the officials didn't get it at the time and regretted it. The players said nothing ill towards Henry at that time and not since. It's a drama from the past and Henry can't be tippexed out from the graphic. He's a part of Irish football folklore, a pantomime figure to be quasi mocked,  not unlike the Romanian goalie Lung or the Timofte who missed the penalty from 1990.

 

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It was an appallingly bad penalty call, worse in its way that infamous Henry and Matadona incidents of years gone by in that itís worse for a referee to give something that didnít happen than to miss something that did happen. He guessed, and guessed wrongly. It totally changes the complexion and likely outcome of the tie.

NI were however poor, not getting a shot on target isnít good enough. Switzerland were obviously superior opposition but we let ourselves down a bit in key areas. Itís hard to see us getting the win we need in Basel.
It was a very bad call but I don't think it was worse than the Henry or Maradona incidents. It was the same as giving a penalty for diving. Which would also be giving a penalty for something that didn't happen ie a foul.
The main differences though is Ireland were knocked out that night against France and didn't have a second game to try and right the wrong.
N.Ireland still have an opportunity to qualify so it wasn't as much as a game changer as the Henry handball as Ireland only had what was left of extra time to score again.
N.Ireland have a full 90mins and a few days of preparation.
So, FIFA won't be giving the IFA compensation?

The reaction to Henry's handball was and still is embarrassing for the Irish nation.
And you are the arbitrator of a nation's shame?  :D
 Are you for real?  do you really believe that high horse nonsense?
ffs get a grip onto yourself.
The over-reaction of some (FAI?) is one matter.That doesn't represent a nation or even a minority of fans.
Of course that World Cup play off in Paris would only have gone to penalties, but to lose like that was enough to truly sicken any fan, after such a performance.

As it turned out, it was Blatter who embarrassed himself and brought FIFA into disrepute in an unprecedented manner at that WC draw ceremony, so much so that afterwards FIFA paid Eur5m to the FAI as some form of compensation.

NI were poor against the Swiss and were fortunate enough to only be a goal down at the end.
In all probability they are going to be humped in Switzerland.
If they had lost to a bad penalty award after a dominating performance in the 2nd leg  in Switzerland then one might draw a comparison with the Henry handball.
As it stands now, there is little or no comparison.




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General discussion / Re: TV Show recommendations
« on: November 10, 2017, 09:01:31 PM »
Tin Can - beyond corny, defines the term 'what a waste of time'.
Tin Can or Tin Star?
;D
Tin Star
What didn't you like about it? I thought it was extremely slow to get to where it was inevitably going, but I thought the last three episodes were good once Jack got into character.
My comment was mainly directed for those people who have started to watch it and have a (forlorn) hope that it will get better.
Absurd plot which became more ridiculous, incredibly unimaginative banal script and dialogue, the london accents adopted were contrived and corny. Characters were even more absurd than the plot. The  Tin Star who is never actually seen to be drunk  but always ready with rapier like reactions unhindered by vast consumption of alcohol.
The baby faced psycho killer who fondly plays a guitar, falls in love while callously acting out his revenge, of which much time was spent explaining motive.
Characters end up doing other things, vanishing on magic plot threads.
Cliche on top of cliche.
Too many drugs involved, I suspect.
 





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General discussion / Re: Ireland's Greatest Sporting Moment RTE 2
« on: November 10, 2017, 11:02:57 AM »

I would have thought Michael Carruth should have been on that list.
I've never re-watched that fight but my memory from watching it as a kid was that Carruth won by holding the Cuban's long arms for most of the fight and exploiting the scoring system to get a sneaky win against a superior boxer. Would have thought he'd be in there though and would obviously be more deserving than Michelle.

Aye, wayne McCulloughs fight was better even though he lost. Carruths fight was a damp squib.
Absolute rubbish,  Carruth's fight was brilliant from start to finish, beating the Word's nr 1 Hernadez  13 -10 despite only going in level into the last round after being deducted 3 points in the 2nd.
McCullough never looked like winning, he also got badly hurt by some accurate punching, his jaw was broken, he hardly landed a punch of note until the end of the 2nd round and was 10 points behind going into the last,
Casamayor toyed with him in the 3rd.  Wayne had a bit of a flurry in the last 30 seconds.
Olympic gold medal is the ultimate  and Carruth's gold was a unique magnificent occasion.




 

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