Anyone know why we're having semi finals now on Saturday evenings at 5.15pm?
Who are making these decisions? Is it for the benefit of TV?
You have to wonder how far these guys in HQ are going to mess with our games.
Another question which is confusing me but maybe I'm just mixed up
Is the Armagh v Monaghan match on Sunday week?
I thought if you played Preliminary round then you will be the last of the 1st round matches to be played.
With the wife and more importantly father in law from Donegal I'd rather meet them for the excitement. Also the amount of annoying Down "mates" I know I would still like to meet Donegal though they owe us for 2007.
I'm raging as I'm busy that night and also busy the day of the Ulster Final (if Tyrone make it that far). First year in a looooong time, I'll miss the Ulster Championship completely and I'm gutted :'(
Can't see the logic of having the sem-final on the Saturday, unless there's a World Cup game on the Sunday that RTE want to show, which is a disgrace.
It's always the part time supporters like you Ziggy that end up with all ireland tickets too ;)
Kilkenny v Dublin/Laois and Cork/Tipp v Limerick on TV3 that Sunday.
There was an Ulster Semi Final on Saturday night last year and the qualifiers are always on Saturdays, I don't see it as that big a deal .
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 25, 2010, 04:33:27 PM
It's always the part time supporters like you Ziggy that end up with all ireland tickets too ;)
Sure that man knows half the country, he'll never be stuck for a ticket ;)
Who was the Ulster semi last year?
Antrim & Cavan was it?
A lot of people work on Saturdays and often towns have loads of traffic on Saturdays with shoppers so parking is a disaster.
Tyrone86 if you asked most fans would they rather a Sat or a Sunday match what would you say they'd say?
I just think TV schedules are dictating too much these days.
What about my other question about the Monaghan v Armagh game?
Normally the Ulster preliminary winners are in the last game, I couldn't tell ye why the Ulster council changed it.
As for the Saturday evening, its not unprecedented for and if you offered me an AIQF on a Saturday evening at this stage, I'd take your arm off for it.
http://www.aiqf.it/index.php?option=com_oziogallery2&view=02flashgallery&Itemid=135 (http://www.aiqf.it/index.php?option=com_oziogallery2&view=02flashgallery&Itemid=135)
Nope No Takers
My old cynical mind has just led me to think is it to do with possible suspensions from the Monaghan v Armagh match?
If someone gets a month will they be back for the Ulster semi final?
Hmmmmm? ???
Quote from: tyrone86 on May 25, 2010, 04:59:24 PM
Normally the Ulster preliminary winners are in the last game, I couldn't tell ye why the Ulster council changed it.
As for the Saturday evening, its not unprecedented for and if you offered me an AIQF on a Saturday evening at this stage, I'd take your arm off for it.
I suspect that it's to do with the Ulster hurling semi final, on the 13th. It's probable that this game will involve Down and Derry with no cross over to the football quarter involving Monaghan and Armagh, but there was the possibility of a clash for Armagh or Derry had both games gone ahead on that date. Also means both games can go ahead at Casement.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 25, 2010, 05:09:35 PM
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Nope No Takers
My old cynical mind has just led me to think is it to do with possible suspensions from the Monaghan v Armagh match?
If someone gets a month will they be back for the Ulster semi final?
Hmmmmm? ???
Eh, no.
Date:
Sunday 6th Jun 2010Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship
Quarter Final 2 00 PM Casement Park
Ard Mhacha --- v Muineachán
Date:
Sunday 27th Jun 2010Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship
Semi Final 3 30 PM
An Cabhán / Fear Manach --- v Muineachán / Ard Mhacha
Three weeks.
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 25, 2010, 05:09:35 PM
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Nope No Takers
My old cynical mind has just led me to think is it to do with possible suspensions from the Monaghan v Armagh match?
If someone gets a month will they be back for the Ulster semi final?
Hmmmmm? ???
Irrespective of the time they have to miss at least 1 game in the competition anyway so you old cynical mind is full of it.
Quote from: ziggysego on May 25, 2010, 04:24:36 PM
I'm raging as I'm busy that night and also busy the day of the Ulster Final (if Tyrone make it that far). First year in a looooong time, I'll miss the Ulster Championship completely and I'm gutted :'(
Can't see the logic of having the sem-final on the Saturday, unless there's a World Cup game on the Sunday that RTE want to show, which is a disgrace.
You did not get to Casement last Sunday?
Quote from: Orior on May 25, 2010, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on May 25, 2010, 04:24:36 PM
I'm raging as I'm busy that night and also busy the day of the Ulster Final (if Tyrone make it that far). First year in a looooong time, I'll miss the Ulster Championship completely and I'm gutted :'(
Can't see the logic of having the sem-final on the Saturday, unless there's a World Cup game on the Sunday that RTE want to show, which is a disgrace.
You did not get to Casement last Sunday?
No.
Who gives a fuc?!!... it is destroying club football in Tyrone... bag o'shite the whole thing!
Quote from: longrunsthefox on May 25, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
Who gives a f**?!!... it is destroying club football in Tyrone... bag o'shite the whole thing!
Fecking right. One of the reasons I didn't make Casement was to have this weekend free to watch the club. Now that's being fucked with too.
The issue of the preliminary round winners being the second last game was raised at our club a few weeks ago, apparently this isnt unusual and has happen at least once in the last 4 years. The reasoning behind it apparently/allegedly is that it is considered more fair to the preliminary round winners as if they were to win the quarter final they would get an extra week off before the semi final which would be their third game in Ulster over their opponents who would be going into their second game.
Fermanagh bate Derry in Omagh on a cold, wet and windy Sat evening a couple of years ago, that Saturday evening was grand lads ;) couldn't have been better as I think the next day was quite nice ;D
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 02:54:59 AM
The issue of the preliminary round winners being the second last game was raised at our club a few weeks ago, apparently this isnt unusual and has happen at least once in the last 4 years. The reasoning behind it apparently/allegedly is that it is considered more fair to the preliminary round winners as if they were to win the quarter final they would get an extra week off before the semi final which would be their third game in Ulster over their opponents who would be going into their second game.
If memory serves me right this happened last year?? Antrim
did play Cavan in the SF on a Saturday night last year (7:00pm throw in too) and the Fermanagh/Cavan game this year is on a Saturday evening.
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 26, 2010, 09:11:50 AM
Antrim did play Cavan in the SF on a Saturday night last year (7:00pm throw in too) and the Fermanagh/Cavan game this year is on a Saturday evening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDZBgHBHQT8
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 26, 2010, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 02:54:59 AM
The issue of the preliminary round winners being the second last game was raised at our club a few weeks ago, apparently this isnt unusual and has happen at least once in the last 4 years. The reasoning behind it apparently/allegedly is that it is considered more fair to the preliminary round winners as if they were to win the quarter final they would get an extra week off before the semi final which would be their third game in Ulster over their opponents who would be going into their second game.
If memory serves me right this happened last year?? Antrim did play Cavan in the SF on a Saturday night last year (7:00pm throw in too) and the Fermanagh/Cavan game this year is on a Saturday evening.
I wasn't sure about last year but it definately happened the year Armagh won Ulster from the preliminary round
Conor Gormley is targeting Tyrone's Ulster SFC semi-final against either Donegal or Down on June 19 as his comeback game.
The Carrickmore defender has been sidelined since the middle of April when he sustained a knee injury while playing in a club game against Greencastle, and was a notable absentee from the Tyrone team which defeated Antrim last Sunday.
"I had a bit of a tear in the medial knee ligaments and it had been slow to heal in the beginning, but it's coming on well at the minute and I'm happy enough with it," he told the Irish News.
"I've been doing a lot of rehab with the Tyrone physio Louis O'Connor, including plenty of squats and straight leg running and hopefully I will continue to make progress over the next month and be available for Tyrone's next game.
"I'm itching to get back as there is no substitute for playing. I'm not a good spectator and it was hateful to be watching it, although in the heat I was glad to be sitting in the shade in Casement."
Taken from Hoganstand
Come on Down the Price is Right.
So is it the red hand's turn this time or can Down make it two in a row
Always like playing Down. They bring a sense of grandeur to the occasion. Memories of '86 (won), 94 (lost), 96 (won), 99 (lost), 03 (draw, won), 05 (won), 08 (draw, lost) and a couple of others sprinkled in between.
Coulter might be a handlin and Clarke will player better.
Quote from: ONeill on May 30, 2010, 08:22:33 PM
Always like playing Down. They bring a sense of grandeur to the occasion. Memories of '86 (won), 94 (lost), 96 (won), 99 (lost), 03 (draw, won), 05 (won), 08 (draw, lost) and a couple of others sprinkled in between.
Coulter might be a handlin and Clarke will player better.
Yea Down Tyrone nearly always seem to play good games, the first game i was at in the early 80's was Down v Tyrone and we got hampered.
i think it will be a pretty open game, as both teams are better going forward
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 12:20:00 PM
Quote from: A Quinn Martin Production on May 26, 2010, 09:11:50 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 26, 2010, 02:54:59 AM
The issue of the preliminary round winners being the second last game was raised at our club a few weeks ago, apparently this isnt unusual and has happen at least once in the last 4 years. The reasoning behind it apparently/allegedly is that it is considered more fair to the preliminary round winners as if they were to win the quarter final they would get an extra week off before the semi final which would be their third game in Ulster over their opponents who would be going into their second game.
If memory serves me right this happened last year?? Antrim did play Cavan in the SF on a Saturday night last year (7:00pm throw in too) and the Fermanagh/Cavan game this year is on a Saturday evening.
I wasn't sure about last year but it definately happened the year Armagh won Ulster from the preliminary round
Think the only Saturday match Armagh had that year was against Donegal in a quarter final replay. The semi-final was against Derry in Casement on a roasting warm Sunday.
Did Tyrone play Cavan in the semi final that year? I have vague recollections of them playing each other on a Saturday which clashed with a U2 concert. Possibly a replay in Clones with Paul Brady being sent off?
Where is the Down Tyrone match likely to be played? Casement or Clones? Its the sort of match which the Athletic Grounds might hope to host in a year or two though perhaps it mightn't have the necessary capacity.
FFS Antrim would bate the pick of those two teams today out of sight. Tyrone by 8....and yes, I am sore about the hurling today :'(
I've sorta assumed it's Casement. What can the Athletic hold?
Quote from: ONeill on May 30, 2010, 08:55:47 PM
I've sorta assumed it's Casement. What can the Athletic hold?
Athletic Grounds are closed for the Summer at least. I was refering to teh possibility of it hosting a Tyrone Down match in future years as it'd be ideal location wise.
Is Clones not another possibility? If not, Clones might only get 1 Ulster championship match all year.
Ye
Quote from: ONeill on May 30, 2010, 08:22:33 PM
Always like playing Down. They bring a sense of grandeur to the occasion. Memories of '86 (won), 94 (lost), 96 (won), 99 (lost), 03 (draw, won), 05 (won), 08 (draw, lost) and a couple of others sprinkled in between.
Coulter might be a handlin and Clarke will player better.
98 we bate youse in Omagh too
I thought that was Clones. Was that after a draw or was that the previous year?
O'Neill is missing a few Down/Tyrone championship games. The 80s were all Tyrone, with USC wins in 82 at the Marshes (late goal from McGuigan), 84 at Casement (the robbery was off the field but not on it), 86 at Clones (Greenan was the referee, enough said) and 89 in Castleblaney (four sent off). Down hammered Tyrone in the 94 USC final, lost narrowly to them in the 96 final, and again in the 97 first round (after a replay), then won in Omagh in 98 and Casement in 99. We don't even want to think about the 03 final, Tyrone won in the qualifiers in Newry in 04 and in the first round of the championship in 06, and O'Neill managed to get the 08 results right. Next time round is anyone's guess.
That's why I said with others sprinkled in between. Didn't want to be a boring hoor and list them all.
I'd say it has to be in Casement doesnt it
5 O'Clock on a Sat evening might be hard for me to make & wont know until nearer the time
Just watching the Down game now on the sunday game
Looked like Down are still very dependant on Benny Boy
I'd bad memories of that last time they beat us up in Casement
That first match in 2003 was one of the most exciting games I've ever been at.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2010, 10:41:08 PM
O'Neill is missing a few Down/Tyrone championship games. The 80s were all Tyrone, with USC wins in 82 at the Marshes (late goal from McGuigan), 84 at Casement (the robbery was off the field but not on it), 86 at Clones (Greenan was the referee, enough said) and 89 in Castleblaney (four sent off). Down hammered Tyrone in the 94 USC final, lost narrowly to them in the 96 final, and again in the 97 first round (after a replay), then won in Omagh in 98 and Casement in 99. We don't even want to think about the 03 final, Tyrone won in the qualifiers in Newry in 04 and in the first round of the championship in 06, and O'Neill managed to get the 08 results right. Next time round is anyone's guess.
Tyrone were knocked out in the first round of Ulster by Derry in 2006. I might argue too over Down "hammering" Tyrone in 94 and "losing narrowly in 96". Only a difference of 3 points in the winning margins! Tyrone won by 3 in 96 but were pretty much always in control of that match. Remember 98 well with Tyrone missing a load of players and losing despite scoring a couple of goals. The year after Tyrone were flying early on (9-3 ahead I think) but Down played a brilliant second half. Bit like the Sligo match of 3 years later.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 30, 2010, 10:51:18 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on May 30, 2010, 10:41:08 PM
O'Neill is missing a few Down/Tyrone championship games. The 80s were all Tyrone, with USC wins in 82 at the Marshes (late goal from McGuigan), 84 at Casement (the robbery was off the field but not on it), 86 at Clones (Greenan was the referee, enough said) and 89 in Castleblaney (four sent off). Down hammered Tyrone in the 94 USC final, lost narrowly to them in the 96 final, and again in the 97 first round (after a replay), then won in Omagh in 98 and Casement in 99. We don't even want to think about the 03 final, Tyrone won in the qualifiers in Newry in 04 and in the first round of the championship in 06, and O'Neill managed to get the 08 results right. Next time round is anyone's guess.
Tyrone were knocked out in the first round of Ulster by Derry in 2006. I might argue too over Down "hammering" Tyrone in 94 and "losing narrowly in 96". Only a difference of 3 points in the winning margins! Tyrone won by 3 in 96 but were pretty much always in control of that match. Remember 98 well with Tyrone missing a load of players and losing despite scoring a couple of goals. The year after Tyrone were flying early on (9-3 ahead I think) but Down played a brilliant second half. Bit like the Sligo match of 3 years later.
Don't think the 97 match was the first round either. Tyrone beat Armagh in the 97 first round in a match Armagh kicked themselves out of. Jarlath Burns' finest hour. Possibly Tyrone played Down in the preliminary round?
Yea, twas a pre-lim. Derry bate Tyrone out the door in the semis.
Football only started in 2003 lads.
I heard Tony Davis say that the Down v Tyrone match is on 20th June not the 19th.
Wonder was that a slip of the tongue (Yuk) or not
on Ulster website it still says Sat 5.15
http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/football/ulster-gaa-senior-football-championship-2010/fixtures/ (http://ulster.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/football/ulster-gaa-senior-football-championship-2010/fixtures/)
Date: Sunday 6th Jun 2010
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship Quarter Final 2 00 PM Casement Park Ard Mhacha --- v Muineachán ---
Date: Saturday 12th Jun 2010
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship Quarter Final 5 15 PM Kingspan Breffni Pk An Cabhán --- v Fear Manach ---
Date: Saturday 19th Jun 2010
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship Semi Final 5 15 PM TBC Tír Eoghain --- v An Dun ---
Date: Sunday 27th Jun 2010
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship Semi Final 3 30 PM An Cabhán / Fear Manach --- v Muineachán / Ard Mhacha ---
Date: Sunday 18th Jul 2010
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship Final 2 00 PM Semi Final 1 Winner --- v Semi Final 2 Winner ---
So any injuries from the weekend?
Quote from: hardstation on May 30, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 30, 2010, 10:46:08 PM
I'd say it has to be in Casement doesnt it
5 O'Clock on a Sat evening might be hard for me to make & wont know until nearer the time
Just watching the Down game now on the sunday game
Looked like Down are still very dependant on Benny Boy
I'd bad memories of that last time they beat us up in Casement
That first match in 2003 was one of the most exciting games I've ever been at.
You'll be there, stuffing Whitefort burgers into your gob.
Tyrone will win at a canter.
Why so? Down should win the midfield battle, Colm Cavanagh is shakey enough IMO and King is putting in performance after performance for us. Ambrose, all being well, will play some role in the game and he is made for this sort of contest. Despite what will inevitably be said of Down's defence, Tyrone's defence is questionable too as Antrim proved that if you take on the Tyrone backs there are goals to be scored and who better to do that than Coulter, Clarke, Hughes and co. Should make for a great game
Quote from: dodgy umpire on May 31, 2010, 10:24:02 AM
Quote from: hardstation on May 30, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 30, 2010, 10:46:08 PM
I'd say it has to be in Casement doesnt it
5 O'Clock on a Sat evening might be hard for me to make & wont know until nearer the time
Just watching the Down game now on the sunday game
Looked like Down are still very dependant on Benny Boy
I'd bad memories of that last time they beat us up in Casement
That first match in 2003 was one of the most exciting games I've ever been at.
You'll be there, stuffing Whitefort burgers into your gob.
Tyrone will win at a canter.
Why so? Down should win the midfield battle, Colm Cavanagh is shakey enough IMO and King is putting in performance after performance for us. Ambrose, all being well, will play some role in the game and he is made for this sort of contest. Despite what will inevitably be said of Down's defence, Tyrone's defence is questionable too as Antrim proved that if you take on the Tyrone backs there are goals to be scored and who better to do that than Coulter, Clarke, Hughes and co. Should make for a great game
Tyrone always lose midfield...and win the match ;)
Shhhh AQMP
Don't be telling everyone.
Apparently Mickey is trying out SoN as the sweeper this time at the back with Block coming in at FF with Joey sweeping behind him at Centre 3/4s forward
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 31, 2010, 11:44:07 AM
Shhhh AQMP
Don't be telling everyone.
Apparently Mickey is trying out SoN as the sweeper this time at the back with Block coming in at FF with Joey sweeping behind him at Centre 3/4s forward
That just sounds a touch far fetched. From what I hear Mickey has decided the game needs to evolve again so he's banned the hand/fist pass and abandoned MF. Instead 3 keepers will start, Packie McConnell as a roving FF for the long kick pass with Devine and Curran both in goal.
Ricey will instead be employed in a solely tactical half time role in the RTE studios, standing behind Brolly, O'Rourke and Spillane, giving them sly digs in the side, whispering into their ears about all he's gonna do to their Ma's.
Quote from: hardstation on May 30, 2010, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Fuzzman on May 30, 2010, 10:46:08 PM
I'd say it has to be in Casement doesnt it
5 O'Clock on a Sat evening might be hard for me to make & wont know until nearer the time
Just watching the Down game now on the sunday game
Looked like Down are still very dependant on Benny Boy
I'd bad memories of that last time they beat us up in Casement
That first match in 2003 was one of the most exciting games I've ever been at.
You'll be there, stuffing Whitefort burgers into your gob.
Tyrone will win at a canter.
No sorry your talkin out of your ass son.
I've heard that the venue for this game will be announced Sunday evening after the Armagh v Monaghan match
Not sure why but that's what I've been told
Good job. I'll tell the other boys on the other thread.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 03, 2010, 02:41:46 PM
I've heard that the venue for this game will be announced Sunday evening after the Armagh v Monaghan match
Not sure why but that's what I've been told
Probably because Monaghan cannot be allowed to play a semi-final at Clones. However, if Armagh win on sunday then their semi-final will almost certainly be in Clones, thus leaving Casement for Down v. Tyrone.
QuoteIs this true? I wouldn't imagine so.
However Monaghan v Fermanagh, if it should arise, would be an ideal game to give to Breffni.
Not much team news on here as yet
Will Block be straight back into the team I wonder with Young Swifty or of course da nephew making way.
You could see Dooher not start this time and come on second half as he doesn't like getting pulled off half way through the second half.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 04, 2010, 04:28:29 PM
Not much team news on here as yet
Will Block be straight back into the team I wonder with Young Swifty or of course da nephew making way.
You could see Dooher not start this time and come on second half as he doesn't like getting pulled off half way through the second half.
he should start every game as far as i am concerned, he is a sublime footballer.
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 04:57:16 PM
Confirmed for Casement. Saturday 19th. 17:15.
Casement getting its fair share of games the year.
Poor aul Clones !!! :(
Clones reminds me of Anfield, and the skanky pubs around it even moreso. A bulldozer would be the best thing for all concerned.
Quote from: under the bar on June 06, 2010, 06:03:57 PM
Clones reminds me of Anfield, and the skanky pubs around it even moreso. A bulldozer would be the best thing for all concerned.
Personally, I think you couldn't be further from the truth. I think Clones is great for a game, hard to beat a couple of pints in the town on a hot summers day and the walk up to the ground with the atmosphere building the whole way, hard to bate.
Quote from: under the bar on June 06, 2010, 06:03:57 PM
Clones reminds me of Anfield, and the skanky pubs around it even moreso. A bulldozer would be the best thing for all concerned.
would prefer casement was bulldozed.
QuoteI think Clones is great for a game, hard to beat a couple of pints in the town on a hot summers day and the walk up to the ground with the atmosphere building the whole way, hard to bate.
If over-priced carlsberg/magners only in plastic glasses served from sheds in car-parks marketed as beer-gardens with corrugated-iron toilets that havent been re-fitted since 1980 is your thing then rock on!
Where would you prefer it to be played UTB?
Surprised but happy with this- I thought the idea was that if Monaghan went through, their S/F would have to be away from Clones ( ie Casement) and therefore the Down Tyrone game would be in Clones ? Or is that too logical ?
QuoteWhere would you prefer it to be played UTB?
Casement. Parking is a bit of a 'mare like most places but everyone is on the road home within 30mins. Granted Clones is more traditional day out but once you have kids gettin home is all that matters.
Inniu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZt5Q-u4crc
Yes Clones is a cnut of a place, yes the farmers that charge for the parking are rotten scoundrels, yes the beer in the plastic glasses is shite, but by God I still love the approach to the Creighton hotel and seeing the throngs of supporters there. Clones will always be one of my favourite venues.
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 09:07:19 PM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 06, 2010, 07:56:07 PM
Surprised but happy with this- I thought the idea was that if Monaghan went through, their S/F would have to be away from Clones ( ie Casement) and therefore the Down Tyrone game would be in Clones ? Or is that too logical ?
How in sweet fcuk is that logical?
How can you have Down v Tyrone in Clones and Monaghan v Cavan/Fermanagh in Casement?
Neutral venues- the Monaghan V Cavan/Fermanagh could also be in Brewster(if Cavan win) or Breffni (if Fermanagh win)but , as a number of posters have noted, Casement is getting more games than Clones, which is not the way the Ulster council usually operate
Even though Clones is nearer to us boyz down here in Dublin I'd much rather the spin up the M1 to Belfast
If yer there good and early parking is fine and there are a few back roads out to the M1 again
Any news of injuries over the weekend? I see Peter Donnelly played well for the Island again.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 06, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
Even though Clones is nearer to us boyz down here in Dublin I'd much rather the spin up the M1 to Belfast
If yer there good and early parking is fine and there are a few back roads out to the M1 again
Any news of injuries over the weekend? I see Peter Donnelly played well for the Island again.
Peter is not on the Tyrone panel . He left in the middle of last year!
Good job.
Then back to the Bowling Club to watch Cameroon v Denmark.
Phillip Jordan's interview in the Gaelic Life made interesting reading. When asked about the newcomers he highlighted Peter Harte and then Coney. They way he put it, I wouldn't be surprised if Harte starts instead of Dooher v Down.
Does Joe McMahon keep tags on Marty Clarke? Justin should be a match for Benny.
QuotePeter Donnelly is a strange one. One of the best club players in Tyrone. Pure pish at county level.
Sums Coalisland players up in one sentance!
Did he specifically say he wouldn't be surprised If he'd start instead of Dooher or that he'd just start O'Neill?
Can see Joe following Martin Clarke alright has the strength and agility to keep a tight eye on him.
Which Down men will pick up SoN and Sean Cavanagh?
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 06, 2010, 11:09:47 PM
Did he specifically say he wouldn't be surprised If he'd start instead of Dooher or that he'd just start O'Neill?
Can see Joe following Martin Clarke alright has the strength and agility to keep a tight eye on him.
Which Down men will pick up SoN and Sean Cavanagh?
I think (going by memory here) Jordan says Harte probably would've started last day out only for a niggle.
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
Tyrone will win this handy...
The Down ones are being rather shy and subdued about such an outrageous prediction, a bit of reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse psychology perchance?
I see the Irish News have a paragraph in their sports pages today saying that the game is THIS Saturday at 5 15pm in Belfast. :-\
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
Tyrone will win this handy...
The Down ones are being rather shy and subdued about such an outrageous prediction, a bit of reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse psychology perchance?
I think it is just he has an irrational dislike of Down so would not call it a prediction
Down need a big improvement to have any chance of winning this one. Too many players had below par performances the last day and having watched the video I'm sure wee James and co will see that the excitement of extra time and a sublime performance from coulter has papered over a pretty poor down performance.
Defence played well in patches but Tyrone will tear them apart if they produce anything like the donegal game. need to be tighter, more aggressive and more focused.
Big King had an excellent game up in Ballybofey, grew in confidence as the game went on, he needs to take up where he left off.
Big Dan was quiet, spent a lot of time tracking men and working off the ball, needs to get back to his old self, driving the team forward and forcing men to track back after him. Have a feeling that there's a big game coming from him.
Forwards did reasonably well. Danny Hughes and Benny had superb games. Poland and M Clarke did reasonably well but both can and will play better.
Mc Comisky (sic) and J Clarke seem to have gone off the boil. I'd like to see James freshen thing up here, surely murtagh must be chomping at the bit to get starting and maginn had a strong influence when he came on against donegal. Clarke an mc comisky might do more damage coming in as subs when the game has opened up a bit.
Tyrone aren't as strong as they used to be but are still well ahead of us based on opening games. Here's hoping we can raise the bar
Quite a few people seem to think Down have no chance in this game.
I'd be worried for our midfield area again as we struggled there second half when McGourty came on.
I think if we can get enough ball into our FF line we will win OK but I'd say there will be more of a defensive barrier this time and so you could see a lot of half backs and MF running with the ball.
Agreed, get her in early and often and we'll be OK
I expect a niggly enough affair with a lot of off the ball
stuff going on... it seemed to work in '08 for them >:(
Quote from: gorm agus bui on June 08, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
Tyrone will win this handy...
The Down ones are being rather shy and subdued about such an outrageous prediction, a bit of reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse psychology perchance?
I think it is just he has an irrational dislike of Down so would not call it a prediction
Typical Armagh opinion on Down. Years of feeling deeply inferior to their Red and Black Neighbours.
Dont think Armagh got on too well last sunday. ;D ;D ;D
We know Tyrone are a top quality side and we are a year or two off challenging for an All Ireland but we wont make it easy for Tyrone.
Quote from: hardstation on June 08, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on June 08, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on June 08, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
Tyrone will win this handy...
The Down ones are being rather shy and subdued about such an outrageous prediction, a bit of reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse psychology perchance?
I think it is just he has an irrational dislike of Down so would not call it a prediction
Typical Armagh opinion on Down. Years of feeling deeply inferior to their Red and Black Neighbours.
Dont think Armagh got on too well last sunday. ;D ;D ;D
We know Tyrone are a top quality side and we are a year or two off challenging for an All Ireland but we wont make it easy for Tyrone.
Ha ha.
Does the first line get a Ha ha?
Quote from: snoopdog on June 08, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: gorm agus bui on June 08, 2010, 02:16:03 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2010, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
Tyrone will win this handy...
The Down ones are being rather shy and subdued about such an outrageous prediction, a bit of reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse-reverse psychology perchance?
I think it is just he has an irrational dislike of Down so would not call it a prediction
Typical Armagh opinion on Down. Years of feeling deeply inferior to their Red and Black Neighbours.
Don't think Armagh got on too well last sunday. ;D ;D ;D
We know Tyrone are a top quality side and we are a light year or two off challenging for an All Ireland but we won't make it easy for Tyrone.
Fixed that for you.
IMO Down are the fitter team and this will be a big asset, especially in the last ten minutes or so
Maybe not the appropriate thread to post this, but here is today's Irish Examiner which prints Benny Coulter's opinion on the modern game
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/ (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/)
Quote from: western exile on June 09, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
Maybe not the appropriate thread to post this, but here is today's Irish Examiner which prints Benny Coulter's opinion on the modern game
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/ (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/)
Interesting read there western exile. Would not be a bad idea to start a new topic based on that article, some interesting points. Id tend to agree with him that 13 a side would not be a bad way to go.
Quote from: DirtyDozen12 on June 09, 2010, 11:32:22 AM
Quote from: western exile on June 09, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
Maybe not the appropriate thread to post this, but here is today's Irish Examiner which prints Benny Coulter's opinion on the modern game
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/ (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/)
Interesting read there western exile. Would not be a bad idea to start a new topic based on that article, some interesting points. Id tend to agree with him that 13 a side would not be a bad way to go.
Sounds like sour grapes. Even after the Donegal game were he starred he is still complaining about good defences. Would a FB have been asked the same questions?
I think opinions are divided on the whole topic and maybe here is not the right place to discuss it
I think if you played as a forward you will want to see forwards often beating their man and taking great scores.
Whereas if you were a defender or a spolier then you will maybe get more from stopping the other teams main men from doing well.
I only pick this out as an example but quite a lot of the Derry and Armagh lads seem to get more out of cheering when Canavan or Mugsy was dispossessed or kicked a wide than when their own team scored a good score. The focus was often on the negative side of stopping the talented star on the other side. I suppose I'm like that myself now a little with say Gooch or Star so maybe its just human nature.
I used to to always tell the soccer & rugby heads that GAA was a much more exciting game to watch with loads of scores and not such a focus on defending but more man to man battles. I for one don't like the direction the game is going either but I suppose it is just the nature of things.
I think Armagh really upped the ante with their huge focus on improving physical strength & fitness, mental strength and team bonding and so when Tyrone got their new manager following his underage team through to senior level he had to make a decision. Do we continue playing nice fast flowing entertaining football or do we learn to compromise and play rough and defensively when we have to.
I am delighted we've won 3 AI's and thought in my 20's we never would but there is a bit of disappointment that a lot of neutrals would STILL describe Tyrone as a defensive team since 2003 who use a system of play that won them their AI's rather than great players.
Anyways, I am happy enough for people to think what they like as long as we keep winning games and if you look at our scores from play over the last 8 years I'd say it is well up there with the best.
Statto O'Neill. Are you there?
I see the artist formely known as Gerry Kinneavy is the ref for the game. Lets hope we're not in for a frustrating afternoon on the 19th (although I won't be holding my breath).
Any word on the injury front? How long now before Cassidy resumes training? Gormley has declared himself fit but who will be dropped to accomodate him if he starts? Still can't see Davey losing his no 5 jersey.
Quote from: western exile on June 09, 2010, 11:22:07 AM
Maybe not the appropriate thread to post this, but here is today's Irish Examiner which prints Benny Coulter's opinion on the modern game
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/ (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfcwkfsnsnkf/rss2/)
Hard not to agree with benny. Blanket defending has killled football. Problem is it was the only way some teams could get success. Tactics are a big part of the modern day game and the current GAA rules help a defensive styled game. Maybe they should look at that as opposed to a handpass rule.
The mark in theory was a good idea dont know why they got rid of it.
Benny should learn to kick longer points and just shut it ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 09, 2010, 11:12:34 PM
Benny should learn to kick longer points and just shut it ;)
Did you not see the 50 meter effort to draw the game in Ballybofey. Benny is 100 per cent correct.
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I think his suggestion of limiting 2 defenders tackling (or surrounding) the forward would be a sensible rule that would be easily enough enforced.
Did Benny watch the 2008 and 2005 finals?
Did Benny watch Monaghan score 1-18 against a notoriously tight defence like Armagh's?
Did Benny watch the Cork-Kerry game at the weekend 0-15 a-piece?
Does Benny remember how shite the football was in the 70s and 80s?
Did Benny watch any of the Tyrone-Dublin games from 05-08?
Does Benny remember the Tyrone-Down games of 2008?
Maybe Benny would think differently if he had a few forwards around him with the ability to play inter-county football.
I hope he doesn't turn into another Paddy Doherty.
Maybe Benny should be coaching his fellow players not to feed the ball into a player who might be surrounded by 4-5 players.
Maybe Benny should realise that the days of shite defending are over.
Ahh poor Benny does fall into that category of teams with 1 or 2 great forwards so he tends to get double marked or have a sweeper play in front of him.
Donegal have Murphy & McFadden
Derry have the humble twins
Armagh have Stevie on his own at the moment but maybe Clarkie at some stage
So a lot of these teams have been used to playing this players as their main target men and score getters for a long time and so their managers are finding it difficult to come up with a plan B or C when they are double tagged.
I think that's why Tyrone's lack of respect for positions means that we tend to see half forwards going to full back and full backs coming up to overlap to get scores much more often.
Still, I must say that when teams with maybe not so much talented forwards tend to play the 13 men behind the ball with strategic fouling in place it does make for a very poor spectacle & I fear we will see a lot more of that this summer.
Lads does anyone know if I could catch the game on TV in a pub somewhere in Brussels next Saturday???
Quote from: Banana Man on June 10, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
Lads does anyone know if I could catch the game on TV in a pub somewhere in Brussels next Saturday???
I dont know about certain pubs in Brussels. but i did read somewhere that there is a channel on sky somewhere that shows the games that RTE show, i think its Europe wide, Not much use to you. I know my Uncle in England watched the last Down game on it.
Quote from: Mid Down Gael on June 09, 2010, 11:14:50 PM
Benny is 100 per cent correct.
"Winning an Ulster title for us would be the equivalent of Tyrone winning an All-Ireland title. That's as far as we could maybe get at this early stage. It would be as good as winning an All-Ireland to me."I think Benny is 100 per cent correct ;D
Quote from: snoopdog on June 10, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Banana Man on June 10, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
Lads does anyone know if I could catch the game on TV in a pub somewhere in Brussels next Saturday???
I dont know about certain pubs in Brussels. but i did read somewhere that there is a channel on sky somewhere that shows the games that RTE show, i think its Europe wide, Not much use to you. I know my Uncle in England watched the last Down game on it.
That channel is MSK, if you dont have it you can do the following if your on Sky (as Fuzzman kindly informed me)
Services - System setup and add channels.
Freq - 11488
Polar - V
SR - 27/5
FEC - 2/3
Find Channels
Highlight MSK & MSK Extra and press Yellow to Strore channels
Then select twice and all should be stored
To find them to watch then again go into Services
Other Channels
Select yer channel
Yeah that should work anywhere in Europe but I doubt you'll get to re-program someone's sky box
I just googled Irish bars and found this one
http://oreillys.nl/brussels/ (http://oreillys.nl/brussels/)
They say...
o'reilly's brussels offers 2 bars, good food & multiple screens showing all major sporting events. Drop in for breakfast, light lunch or dinner
Also
http://www.irishpubsdirectory.com/Belgium/Brussels/p1.htm (http://www.irishpubsdirectory.com/Belgium/Brussels/p1.htm)
Benny seems to be doing a lot of talking Tyrone up doesn't he
He seems to be a big admirer. I hope he's standing with his hands on his hips Sat week admiring Mugsy & SoN at the other end. He nearly always does something special against us.
Remember in the game in Omagh in 2008 was it where at the start of 2nd half he gave a huge leap and caught a great ball & stuck it over the bar. Ricey looked dumbfounded
Quote from: Banana Man on June 10, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
Lads does anyone know if I could catch the game on TV in a pub somewhere in Brussels next Saturday???
I managed to get to see a game in this bar some time back...
http://www.celticpubs.com/celtweb/Devalerasbxl.html
So any actual match talk?
Do we expect to see an unchanged team or maybe with Harte starting for Dooher and Block in for Davey or Swifty.
I think Swifty was like Tommy wanted to get a score on his own so as to make it harder for him to be left out the next day
It kinda back fired on him
How many of ye on here are now converted about wee Carlin
I know a lot of people who still think he can do no right and as with Penrose are always waiting for him to mess something up.
Wonder will we see McCullagh any time soon. Was he injured or just not getting a game
He must be a bit pissed off when he was gonna back it all in and then persuaded to come back or was that story not true?
Also was thinking about Hub. If you watch how many times in games he gets into scoring positions. Especially goals. Both midfielders seem to be a great source of scores and Colm scored a very good long range one the last day
Carlin played some great football in 07 against Donegal and was arguably man of the match against Monaghan in the Ulster final. Then for some unknown reason was dropped for the quarter final against Meath.
Thanks for that lads, hopefully get in one of them 2 pubs then, if not I'll just grab their skybox and start reprogramming it :D
Down with that other thread about this match, started by some Down clown :D
Anyone know the latest on Ambrose, will he start next sat and will Carr be back, surely McComiskey will start on the bench after recent poor performances.
I think the other thread is for the Hogan stand kids as they're talking about where the manager should stand.
I hope Big Sean has a better match next day out. He still doesn't look himself
Any team news or injuries over the weekend lads
We all seem very low key this year so far.
So looks like a Down v Fermanagh final eh?
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 14, 2010, 10:25:54 AM
Any team news or injuries over the weekend lads
We all seem very low key this year so far.
So looks like a Down v Fermanagh final eh?
Did the county men play over the weekend?
Read on BBC or RTE teletext that Tommy having ankle trouble and maybe ruled out, any Ardboe men confirm?
Block is definitely fit and ready to go and all that are missing are long term injuries for Cassidy and Gourley.
Any word on Damian Mc Caul? I read a quote from Harte a number of months ago that he was coming on well and could feature later in the summer.
What about PJ Quinn as well? The more competition for those defensive positions the better, although Carlin and Swift are both doing the business as it stands.
Mc Caul seems to be training hard and should shortly be resuming game time. Its a full 9 months from his operation and wisley things have been taken slower this time round. The lads attitude is first class though and if anyone can come back from a double cruciate it will be him.
Quote from: rrhf on June 14, 2010, 01:43:14 PM
Mc Caul seems to be training hard and should shortly be resuming game time. Its a full 9 months from his operation and wisley things have been taken slower this time round. The lads attitude is first class though and if anyone can come back from a double cruciate it will be him.
Great news rrhf, always looked like an excellent prospect but with all his bad luck with injuries we've never had a chance to see him getting a proper run of games.
Hell ye it would be great to get those 2 back from injury?
When's the last time Davey had an injury?
Only messing lads.
Calm down.
I'm afraid I wont be able to make Sat evening lads
Any teams news coming through on Ambrose?
How come Paul Murphy isnt on the Down Panel ?
Thanks
Down's best bet in this game is to forget the blanket defence bollox and hope for a forwards' shoot-out. Big Dan in at FF with Coulter et al is pretty potent, King & Rodgers in MF would be fit for any MF in the land, 1-7 is still pretty ropey thou with Colgan unworthy of an intercounty jersey imo. If Tyrone refuse to let him sweep and play up on him it'll be murder.
Can't make this game this weekend :(
Anyone looking for a stand ticket(my season ticket)?
aye Fox would take you up on that
Quote from: hardstation on June 15, 2010, 12:32:02 AM
Great ref appointed for this game.
Without giving us a name, we cannot determine if you are sincere or sarcastic ;)
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 15, 2010, 09:22:05 AM
aye Fox would take you up on that
Sent you a reply Meant to ask where are you? I am in Belfast now, but will be in Strabane on Saturday morning. Doesn't matter where you are though, I can sort something out.
Coldrick from Meath
Quote from: tyronefan on June 15, 2010, 09:41:18 AM
Coldrick from Meath
According to gaa.ie its the rock of sensibility O Conamha! :o
Ulster GAA Football Senior Championship - Semi Final
TÍR EOGHAIN V AN DUNTime: 5 15 PM,
Venue: Casement Park
Referee: Gearoid O Conamha
your right Omagh-gael i was looking at the wrong page
Quote from: tyronefan on June 15, 2010, 10:14:38 AM
your right Omagh-gael i was looking at the wrong page
Could happen to anybody.
Coldrick to referee All-Ireland finalWednesday, 5 September 2007 10:14
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:D :D
wishful thinking drici
Quote from: drici on June 15, 2010, 10:20:43 AM
Quote from: tyronefan on June 15, 2010, 10:14:38 AM
your right Omagh-gael i was looking at the wrong page
Could happen to anybody.
Coldrick to referee All-Ireland final
Wednesday, 5 September 2007 10:14
Meath's David Coldrick has been appointed as the referee for this year's All-Ireland SFC final between Cork and Kerry on 16 September.
You could be right but Cork are so frustrating the way they bottle it against Kerry. Is no wonder Kerry hated Tyrone so much.. the only team that had no fear or respect for them and Armagh of course in 2002. Mayo-Cork-Dublin... no middle to them at all. Sort it out down there...
Ambrose and Aiden Carr both available, according to BBC
Tyrone's superior forwards will have a field day against Down's average defence. Tyrone by at least 5 points. ;D
Quote from: EC Unique on June 15, 2010, 12:14:08 PM
Tyrone's superior forwards will have a field day against Down's average defence. Tyrone by at least 5 points. ;D
Down's superior midfield to supply Down's superior forwards with enough ball to outscore what Tyrone do at the other end. Down by 2 ;D
Quote from: western exile on June 15, 2010, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 15, 2010, 12:14:08 PM
Tyrone's superior forwards will have a field day against Down's average defence. Tyrone by at least 5 points. ;D
Down's superior midfield to supply Down's superior forwards with enough ball to outscore what Tyrone do at the other end. Down by 2 ;D
Tyrone's traditionally out-played midfield/HF's to scrape up enough break ball to negate Down's aerial advantage and win the game by 3 points. SoN to score 1-05 ;)
Tyrone's impressive forward line to have an even battle with statistically Ireland's tightest defence in this years national league.
Down's strong midfield should see them through. Tyrone can double up on Benny all they want, however that will mean less attention being drawn to Marty Clarke and McComiskey, both of whom are hugely talented and have an awful lot to prove on Saturday. Hughes to chip in with his usual 3/4 points.
I can see Conor Gormley having a right oul tussle with Marty Clarke.
Whats the team likely to be? will plunkett donaghy be playing? surely harry mcclure is due a start?
Quote from: southdown on June 15, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
Tyrone's impressive forward line to have an even battle with statistically Ireland's tightest defence in this years national league.
Down's strong midfield should see them through. Tyrone can double up on Benny all they want, however that will mean less attention being drawn to Marty Clarke and McComiskey, both of whom are hugely talented and have an awful lot to prove on Saturday. Hughes to chip in with his usual 3/4 points .
Define usual, Hughes is more of a point here and there man. Don't think Tyrone will need to double up on Benny, if he plays at 14 Justin McMahon will be more than a match for him no matter where he goes.
Quote from: rrhf on June 15, 2010, 02:45:48 PM
I can see Conor Gormley having a right oul tussle with Marty Clarke.
I'd be surprised to see that. I'd imagine Joe McMahon would be the man for Marty and Justin on Coulter. Tyrone will have no interest in double teaming Coulter.
And, who's up for a pint after in Casement bar?
Quote from: ONeill on June 15, 2010, 10:16:46 PM
And, who's up for a pint after in Casement bar?
Does it not get a tad busy? What about us who have to drive home :(
Or Biddy's across the road..I do know thon Air conditioning up stairs was quare welcoming after the last one 8)
Can't see many changes for this one. A fit Gormley will start probably in place of Swift although based on form should be Harte. Number of players couldn't be that far away including Peter Harte, Coney,McGuigans,Mellon and McCullagh - 1 may get a start at expense of Dooher but if he's fully fit would be hard for Harte to drop him.
Would be good to see McGinley back soon to provide an option in midfield. Looking forward to what should be a decent game on Saturday.
Team I would like:
Mc Comnell
Carlin
Justy
Swift
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Hub
Colm Cav
Dooher
Sean
Joey
Penrose
SoN
Mugsy
But honestly can't see Davey being dropped. Not that I think he is playing particularly poorly I just think it's between him and Ricey for the No 5 shirt and I'd prefer the Dromore man to start.
Again Petey Harte will more than likely come in for last 20 mins and would love to see Colly getting a run out.
Do spectators go to the training any more? I remember when I lived at home I used to travel to Tyrone training on the Thurs before a game to see the manager's thinking, albeit under McCrory and Ball.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 15, 2010, 11:42:56 PM
Team I would like:
Mc Comnell
Carlin
Justy
Swift
Ricey
Gormley
Jordan
Hub
Colm Cav
Dooher
Sean
Joey
Penrose
SoN
Mugsy
But honestly can't see Davey being dropped. Not that I think he is playing particularly poorly I just think it's between him and Ricey for the No 5 shirt and I'd prefer the Dromore man to start.
Again Petey Harte will more than likely come in for last 20 mins and would love to see Colly getting a run out.
For me:
McConnell,
McCarron
Justin
Swift,
Nephew
Ricey
Model,
Hub
Colm,
Harte P
Sean
Joe
Penfold
O'Neill
Mugsy
I'd rather see Dooher as an impact sub. I don't think the Block could be up to speed.
Quote from: ONeill on June 15, 2010, 09:55:20 PM
I'd be surprised to see that. I'd imagine Joe McMahon would be the man for Marty and Justin on Coulter. Tyrone will have no interest in double teaming Coulter.
If Joe watching Clarke who's watching Joe :o
I think Coulter is the only one who thinks Coulter will be doubled up on.
Finally we're getting a bit of actual football chat on here
Things I'd like to see improved from Antrim game.
1. Hub & Colm get a better grip on MF. Colm should be catching more clean ball.
2. Mugsy continuing to get out in front but this time stop fumbling the ball each time which leads to him having to dispossess the defender again to get goals.
3. Sean imposing himself more from CHF or will he play MF
4. Seeing Red Sean much earlier or maybe even from the start
5. If Ricey or any other well established player is having a poor day get him off earlier as we need to be bringing the newer lads on this season.
My worry with midfield is that Hub and Colm both seem to struggle to play for the 70 minutes. There is spells in the game particularly as it goes on (has happened during league) were we get dominated in midfield.
That's why its important McGinley come's back as he could be thrown in there in the second half. With the amount of forward options its not out of the question that Sean could end up midfield. Think Hub and Colm have did enough the last day to earn another go. Colm provide's height in midfield,we don't have many other players that do. Hopefully the last game and increased training will have brought on their fitness.
It says in the telegraph that Ciaran Gourley is fit again. Is this right? I thought he was out for the season.
No Carlin O'Neill?
Sorry, def Carlin. I wonder if McCartan will stick McComiskey in the corner.
Down fans are very quiet.
The line-outs that famous night in Newry 2 years ago:
Tyrone:
J Devine,
R McMenamin, J McMahon, PJ Quinn,
D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan,
C Gormley, R Mellon,
B Dooher, B McGuigan, C Cavanagh,
M Penrose, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
Down:
B McVeigh,
L Howard, D Gordon, D Rafferty,
A Carr, L Doyle, P Murphy,
J Lynch, A Rogers,
J Fegan, R Murtagh, D Hughes,
J Clarke, R Sexton, B Coulter.
Down heads, apart from Clarke is the team stronger now, especially in defence?
In terms of talent there isn't a whole lot in it. But the team is better organised now O'Neill, that's the main difference. Doyler didn't particularly mark anyone from CHB, but he played as a playmaker, while Colgan is a sweeper. King is a much more refined version of Lynch - a wee bit better in every department, plus he understands that he's the defensive midfielder. Five of the forward line then would have been full-forwards by nature. Hughes has developed as a wing-forward since, while M Clarke, Poland and Maginn are proper half-forwards.
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
The line-outs that famous night in Newry 2 years ago:
Tyrone:
J Devine,
R McMenamin, J McMahon, PJ Quinn,
D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan,
C Gormley, R Mellon,
B Dooher, B McGuigan, C Cavanagh,
M Penrose, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
Down:
B McVeigh,
L Howard, D Gordon, D Rafferty,
A Carr, L Doyle, P Murphy,
J Lynch, A Rogers,
J Fegan, R Murtagh, D Hughes,
J Clarke, R Sexton, B Coulter.
Down heads, apart from Clarke is the team stronger now, especially in defence?
I would say our defence is stronger without Liam Doyle oe Aiden Carr. Midfield and Forward line are better though even if still has a lot of the same components.
The Down posters are quiet because in all honesty i dont think any of us know what to expect we could as easily win this game as lose it. We need to get a good start, cant afford to let Tyrone have the start they got in omagh in 08. If its half the game we got in newry that night the pundits on RTE will be calling it the game of the season, still cant believe nobody showed that 2008 replay live.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 16, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2010, 12:23:48 PM
The line-outs that famous night in Newry 2 years ago:
Tyrone:
J Devine,
R McMenamin, J McMahon, PJ Quinn,
D Harte, C Gourley, P Jordan,
C Gormley, R Mellon,
B Dooher, B McGuigan, C Cavanagh,
M Penrose, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh.
Down:
B McVeigh,
L Howard, D Gordon, D Rafferty,
A Carr, L Doyle, P Murphy,
J Lynch, A Rogers,
J Fegan, R Murtagh, D Hughes,
J Clarke, R Sexton, B Coulter.
Down heads, apart from Clarke is the team stronger now, especially in defence?
I would say our defence is NOT stronger without Liam Doyle oe Aiden Carr. Midfield and Forward line are better though even if still has a lot of the same components.
The Down posters are quiet because in all honesty i dont think any of us know what to expect we could as easily win this game as lose it. We need to get a good start, cant afford to let Tyrone have the start they got in omagh in 08. If its half the game we got in newry that night the pundits on RTE will be calling it the game of the season, still cant believe nobody showed that 2008 replay live.
What sort of attendance is anticipated? Want to be there for the start of the minor game, trying to plan my journey (traffic, M1 etc)
I think the fact that there is genuine competition for places under McCartan has reulted in him getting more out of his players.
Any Down men care to predict the lineout? I can see Maginn playing ahead of either McComiskey of John Clarke
Maginn must play in half forward line. This means that there is only room for 2 of Poland, McComiskey, or J Clarke. And if Dan Gordan gets a run at full forward, then only 1 of those 3 will play. It would be hard on any of them as they all have something different to offer. Genuine competition in the forwards.
My guess at the Down team
1. Brendan McVeigh
2 Brendan McArdle 3 Declan Rooney 4 Damian Rafferty
5 Kevin McKernan 6 James Colgan 7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rodgers 9 Kalum King
10 Conor Maginn 11 Martin Clarke 12 Daniel Hughes
13 Mark Poland 14 Dan Gordon 15 Brendan Coulter
Possibly Darren O'Hagan will play at the expense of either Kevin McKernan or Declan Rooney
Is Rafferty fit to play or will the game come to early? He is by far our best defender.
Gormley was supposed to be flying at Carmen training on Sunday and that was after a session with Tyrone earlier in the day. Right enough the way our boyos are going, flying at that is no big deal.
Harte has his loyalities which may see Gormley start but really the smart money would be on him coming in. He must be out 10 weeks or so and with no competitive game for club or county in that time, it is a risk.
Is the team named tomorrow night as usual or are they training tonight instead with it being a Saturday game? I'm guessing its still tomorrow night.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 16, 2010, 05:28:36 PM
Is the team named tomorrow night as usual or are they training tonight instead with it being a Saturday game? I'm guessing its still tomorrow night.
You're right, they're training tomorrow night, team will be named then.
How much is it in? Might take a wander up.
working saturday, so it will be, knocking of early,home,taxi,pub and no doubt a drunking chinese some time later
Quote from: Minder on June 16, 2010, 07:19:29 PM
How much is it in? Might take a wander up.
Last day out it was £13 for terrace and £21 for open seating
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 16, 2010, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 16, 2010, 07:19:29 PM
How much is it in? Might take a wander up.
Last day out it was £13 for terrace and £21 for open seating
Some of the seating prices for this match are truly scandalous, I went to the Emirates Stadium last year and my tickets (at face value) were £35. Still that doesn't stop me forking out for the Championship. Can't make it on Saturday, feckin working!
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Quote from: omagh_gael on June 16, 2010, 08:01:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 16, 2010, 07:19:29 PM
How much is it in? Might take a wander up.
Last day out it was £13 for terrace and £21 for open seating
Some of the seating prices for this match are truly scandalous, I went to the Emirates Stadium last year and my tickets (at face value) were £35. Still that doesn't stop me forking out for the Championship. Can't make it on Saturday, feckin working!
Suppose £21 isn't to bad then considering the average county only plays 3-4 championship games a year whereas Arsenal will play 50+ games at simiilar prices. At least any money raised by the gaa will go back into investment in the game and not into the pocket of a millionaire. Glad to see u16's getting in free to. Still think the gaa should reduce prices to try and encourage more people to go though.
I think you're right TD, especially if you stick to the Terrace!
Can't make the match myself due to prior engagement so had to use the opt out option on my season ticket. Very disappointed, haven't missed a game since Dublin QF in 08.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 16, 2010, 08:55:28 PM
I think you're right TD, especially if you stick to the Terrace!
Can't make the match myself due to prior engagement so had to use the opt out option on my season ticket. Very disappointed, haven't missed a game since Dublin QF in 08.
Hopefully it will be a similar performance to that one. Yeah terrace prices arent to bad, think they should have went £20 max for the seats or even £15 and try to get more people in.
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 16, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 16, 2010, 08:55:28 PM
I think you're right TD, especially if you stick to the Terrace!
Can't make the match myself due to prior engagement so had to use the opt out option on my season ticket. Very disappointed, haven't missed a game since Dublin QF in 08.
Hopefully it will be a similar performance to that one. Yeah terrace prices arent to bad, think they should have went £20 max for the seats or even £15 and try to get more people in.
dont be so miserable,pay the price and enjoy the game.are yous all crying farmers by any chance? ;)
Quote from: western exile on June 16, 2010, 01:33:27 PM
My guess at the Down team
1. Brendan McVeigh
2 Brendan McArdle 3 Declan Rooney 4 Damian Rafferty
5 Kevin McKernan 6 James Colgan 7 Conor Garvey
8 Ambrose Rodgers 9 Kalum King
10 Conor Maginn 11 Martin Clarke 12 Daniel Hughes
13 Mark Poland 14 Dan Gordon 15 Brendan Coulter
Possibly Darren O'Hagan will play at the expense of either Kevin McKernan or Declan Rooney
I reakon the 15 lads named above will definatly start but i can see a few positional changes in the forward line. Leaves Down with plenty of options on the bench too.
Quote from: eiled in the bushes on June 16, 2010, 10:55:29 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 16, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 16, 2010, 08:55:28 PM
I think you're right TD, especially if you stick to the Terrace!
Can't make the match myself due to prior engagement so had to use the opt out option on my season ticket. Very disappointed, haven't missed a game since Dublin QF in 08.
Hopefully it will be a similar performance to that one. Yeah terrace prices arent to bad, think they should have went £20 max for the seats or even £15 and try to get more people in.
dont be so miserable,pay the price and enjoy the game.are yous all crying farmers by any chance? ;)
Personally don't have a problem paying the prices but it does seem to be putting some people off.
f**k.. wrong thread :D
Western Exile's suggested 15 may be quite close to the final version. McKernan is a fine player who has not done himself justice in our last two games (against Donegal and Armagh), and there is a case for moving Rooney into the half back line. Starting young O'Hagan at corner back would be a big gamble, but he looked the part after coming on in Ballybofey.
Incidentally, O'Neill's team from the 2008 game in Newry in the earlier post had Dan Gordon at full back when it was obviously Dan McCartan who played there. Big Dan was at midfield, Ambrose moved to wing half foward and Fegan did not play.
Not sure about Dooher starting, but Mickey likes his figureheads on the field from the first whistle. Tommy McGuigan mustn't be far from the first 15 - think he scored 0-6 from the bench v Down in '08. I'd like to see Peter Harte in there from the start to see what he's capable of.
Quote from: ONeill on June 16, 2010, 11:51:30 PM
Not sure about Dooher starting, but Mickey likes his figureheads on the field from the first whistle. Tommy McGuigan mustn't be far from the first 15 - think he scored 0-6 from the bench v Down in '08. I'd like to see Peter Harte in there from the start to see what he's capable of.
Tommy seems to be a confidence player though. If he can get a point after his first or second attempt, he could be worth
a handful of points. If he doesnt, his head seems to drop & you could take him off after 20 minutes.
I'm not trying to be disprespectful to Down but I think we need to be getting our younger or less experience players game time in these early games.
McCarron & Red Sean need game time if they're to be used later in the year or next year
I'd agree we should START quite a lot of the newer lads and have Dooher, Conor G, McCUllagh & Tommy to come back in 2nd half
If you do it the other way round it there's more pressure on the young lads to come in to SAVE a game
What's people's thoughts on the result?
I'd be worried enough about that Down FF line and depends how well Justy would handle big Dan and whoever marks Benny the Tyrone fan.
If we can get enough possession in the middle third or from turnovers then I'd be quite confident of a reasonable victory but I think we could see a few interesting team selections tonight.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 17, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
I'd agree we should START quite a lot of the newer lads and have Dooher, Conor G, McCUllagh & Tommy to come back in 2nd half
If you do it the other way round it there's more pressure on the young lads to come in to SAVE a game
I see what you're saying but I can't fully agree. I'd prefer it if the game didn't need to be saved, and if that means starting Dooher or McCullagh (reservations about the other two) because they're the best option to win the game, then start them. Blooding new players is fine if they are good enough to replace the old hands. I wouldn't be risking complacency at any level of the championship by throwing on a second-best option knowing that the first-best is waiting to come in if it all goes wrong. That seems dangerous to me.
Dangerous indeed Rois but its the only way to bring yer new crop along and not be like Armagh were you keep the old guard for as long as you can and then BANG they're all gone together and its back to rebuidling from scratch. But its all opinions.
In Fairness Mickey has done this quite well since he took over with a lot of the established lads being eased in without a big clearout.
I was chatting to someone just now who told me Enda is back in the squad.
Can anyone else confirm this or have I just missed this news.
Here's what the BBC are saying.
Tyrone v Down (Sat)
Ulster SFC semi-final
Venue: Casement Park Date: Saturday, 19 June Throw-in: 1715 BST Coverage: Live on BBC2 NI, BBC Radio Ulster MW and the BBC Sport Website
Ronan Sexton will miss the clash with Tyrone in west Belfast
Down will be without Ronan Sexton for the Ulster SFC semi-final after the forward was banned for eight weeks.
Sexton was sent-off in a challenge game against Laois on 16 May and reported for "inflicting injury recklessly by striking with the hand".
He initially decided to request a hearing but has now told the the CHC that he will not contest the ban.
Sexton misses the Casement Park semi-final but if Down win he will be available for the decider.
Meanwhile, Ambrose Rogers and Aidan Carr look likely to be available for the Mourne team on Saturday.
Both missed the win over Donegal because of injury but are back in action and may play in a Down League game between their clubs on Tuesday.
Daniel McCartan remains suspended for the Mourne County while Ronan Murtagh (hamstring) is a fitness doubt.
Conor Gormley is available for Tyrone are recovering from a knee injury.
Gormley missed Tyrone's opening win over Antrim after being injured in a club game last month.
Enda McGinley returned to club duty as a substitute for Errigal Ciaran at the weekend but he remains out of the intercounty picture for the moment.
He's definitely back playing for Errigal Fuzzman but not sure if he's back in the Tyrone squad.
Tyrone team - McMenamin out, Gormley in. Davey Harte out, Peter Harte in. Rest unchanged
http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2010/06/tyrone-senior-football-team/ (http://www.tyronegaa.ie/2010/06/tyrone-senior-football-team/)
1 Pascal McConnell – An Baile Nua
2 Martin Swift – Coill an Chlochair
3 Justin McMahon – An Omaigh
4 Dermot Carlin – Coill an Chlochair
5 Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
6 Conor Gormley – An Charraig Mhór
7 Philip Jordan – An Mhaigh
8 Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
9 Kevin Hughes – Cill Íseal
10 Brian Dooher – Clann na nGael
11 Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh
12 Joe McMahon – An Omaigh
13 Martin Penrose – Achadh Uí Aráin
14 Stephen O'Neill – Clann na nGael
15 Owen Mulligan – An Chorra Chriochach
16 John Devine – Aireagal Chiaráin
17 Kyle Coney – Ard Bó
18 Mark Donnelly – An Charraig Mhór
19 Davy Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin
20 Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mhór
21 Colm McCullagh – An Droim Mhór
22 Brian McGuigan – Ard Bó
23 Tommy McGuigan – Ard Bó
24 Niall McKenna – Domhnach Mór
25 Ryan McMenamin – An Droim Mhór
26 Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór
27 Ryan Mellon – An Mhaigh
28 Raymond Mulgrew – An Chorra Chriochach
29 Sean O'Neill – An Droim Mhór
30 P J Quinn – Baile na Móna
Makes for an experienced bench away! Glad to see P Harte get the nod.
Surprised with the line up, never thought he'd go without Davy and Ricey. Obviously wants to get back to big attacking push from the HB line. It had went a bit stale in recent years with the legs, understandably, slowing up. Lookng forward to seeing Petey in HB line, played great football there for the minors in 08.
I have decided to abandon the sweeper system and go all out for the win with six forwards. If we are going to lose which i doubt, at least lets do it playing with flair and panache, as Down teams should. We have sufficient talent, so lets have no fear. The illustrious names on that Tyrone team sheet, are worthy of respect, but many of them are only shadows of their former selves, this can be our year.
Davy & Ricey on the bench. Fair enough.
Happy enough with that.
I had a feeling there would be changes and fair play to Mickey for finally axing Davey for a better family member in most people's eyes
I'm not overly surprised to see Ricey go out either has I thought he had a poor National league though a lot of people had.
I'm surprised to see Swift get the nod ahead of McCarron again especially with a possible tall Down FF line.
If Down do play Benny and Gordon in there then we could well see a lot of high ball pumped in early on
Remember 2003 when Carlin made his championship debut in the Ulster final.
I noticed McNabb's name among the subs again. Was he invited back or was that only a rumour.
Fair play Mickey. We trust in the bearded one
Can Anyone publish the ages of that team
Presume Super Dooher is the eldest. Then who? Block, Jordan?
I'd say Ricey would be the next senior member of the panel with Jordan, Gormley and Mc Cullagh not far behind.
Can't believe Mickey bowed down to Fuzzman's demands. That's how I see it anyhow.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 17, 2010, 09:37:01 PM
I'd say Ricey would be the next senior member of the panel with Jordan, Gormley and Mc Cullagh not far behind.
On the panel, Ricey and McCullagh are both around 32. On the team Hub, Jordan, McConnell and Stevie all played their last year minor on the 98 team. Gormley would be that age too.
From downgaa.net
1 B Mac an Bheatha Brendan McVeigh An Ríocht
2 D Ó Runaidh Declan Rooney Boireann
3 B Mac Árdghail Brendan McArdle Eanach Chluáin
4 D Ó Raifeartaigh Damian Rafferty Seamrogaí an Íuir
5 K Mac Thiarnáin Kevin McKernan Boireann
6 S Mac Colgan James Colgan An Ríocht
7 C Ó Gairbhith Conor Garvey Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8 A Mac Ruairí Ambrose Rogers Cloch Fhada
9 K Mac an Rí Kalum King Áth Bhriain
10 D Ó hAodha Daniel Hughes Sabhaill
11 M Mac Póilín Mark Poland Cloch Fhada
12 B Ó Coltáir Brendan Coulter Droichead Mhaigh Éo
13 C Mag Fhinn Conor Maginn Áth Bhriain
14 D Mac Mhuirneacháin Dan Gordon Loch an Oileáin
15 M Ó Cléirigh Martin Clarke An Ríocht
16 D Alder Declan Alder Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17 P Mac Cumascaigh Paul McComiskey Dún Droma
18 S Ó Cléirigh John Clarke An Ríocht
19 C Mac Laibheartaigh Conor Laverty Cill Chua
20 R Mac Muireartaigh Ronan Murtagh Baile Cholmáin
21 S Ó Cearnaigh Stephen Kearney Sabhaill
22 G Mac Artáin Gerard McCartan Boireann
23 M Ó Deoráin Mark Doran Cloch Fhada
24 P Mac Giolla Phádraig Peter Fitzpatrick Baile Mhairtín
25 D Ó hÁgáin Darren O'Hagan Cluain Daimh
26 A Ó Cearra Aidan Carr Cluain Dáimh
27 I Mac an Bhreithiún Jason Brown Cluain Daimh
Doesn't P Harte play more as a half-forward than half-back? It's not a misprint and should be D Harte at no.5?
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 17, 2010, 10:09:43 PM
Doesn't P Harte play more as a half-forward than half-back? It's not a misprint and should be D Harte at no.5?
It's not 'P' and 'D', it's 'Peter' and 'Davy' -- hardly a mix-up?
Interesting team from mc cartan, i honestly thought he would have went unchanged, but then again the exclusion of mc comisky and clarke were not altogether surprising. The bench looks strong for the first time in years.
Looking forward to a cracker!
Quote from: hardstation on June 17, 2010, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 17, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
27 I Mac an Bhreithiún Jason Brown Cluain Daimh
What ever happened to good old de Brún? Who the feck is Jason Judge?
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Peter Harte as has been said earlier in the thread played at centre half back with some distinction for the minors in 2008 so he could line out there although its more likely that he will play in attack with Joe going to defence, if Mickey goes with a sweeper and Joe takes up that role then Penrose could play wing back as well - he was Tyrone's best tackler the last day against Antrim.
Have a feeling this could turn out to be a good game.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 17, 2010, 10:09:43 PM
Doesn't P Harte play more as a half-forward than half-back? It's not a misprint and should be D Harte at no.5?
Pete Harte played in HB line for minors but we all know the number on your back doesn't restrict you in Tyrone. Joe Mc Mahon will play all round defence anyway and with Dooher covering back I'd safely assume we'll see a lot of young Harte further up the field.
What does McCarron have to do?...
Quote from: longrunsthefox on June 17, 2010, 10:29:58 PM
What does McCarron have to do?...
Whatever about McCarron, Sean O'Neill is bound to be a quare sick boy tonight - Davy Harte eventually does get dropped and Pete Harte nips in ahead of Red.
Agree totally tyrone86, not only did Davy get the shepherd's hook, but Ricey as well, and red Sean still can't get in. Tonight's selection has me scratching the old noggin big time.
As loughshore lad said, Petey will be equally at home in the half-forwards should big Joe drop back, whereas we wouldn't be as sure about Red Seán, but a great lad to bring on for that energy. More scientific than mystic ;)
Quote from: Mr. Nakata on June 17, 2010, 10:37:45 PM
Agree totally tyrone86, not only did Davy get the shepherd's hook, but Ricey as well, and red Sean still can't get in. Tonight's selection has me scratching the old noggin big time.
Going on that selection, I'd say you'll see Joey and Justy on Coulter and Gordon with Gormley on Martin Clarke. What Peter Harte does give you is the ability to get good quality ball into the FF line quickly and regularly - something which was poor against Antrim considering the calibre of ball winners and score takers you have close to goal.
QuoteHe looks like Tony Fearon.
Not unless Tony's been to Weightwatchers
Quote from: Rois on June 17, 2010, 11:55:13 AM
I see what you're saying but I can't fully agree. I'd prefer it if the game didn't need to be saved, and if that means starting Dooher or McCullagh (reservations about the other two) because they're the best option to win the game, then start them. Blooding new players is fine if they are good enough to replace the old hands. I wouldn't be risking complacency at any level of the championship by throwing on a second-best option knowing that the first-best is waiting to come in if it all goes wrong. That seems dangerous to me.
Agreed. This is the championship and you dont throw guys onto the team just to get experience, they should go in when they are better than whats already there. Even in lean periods Down are very dangerous opponents and their current team is strong, we need to name the strongest possible team.
There are plenty of posters on here who accuse Harte of sticking with his favourites and not letting the team evolve but the idea you should move somebody out the team for an inferior replacement on the grounds they are a few years younger is seriously flawed. The so called old guard are hardly Dads Army anyway, the 97/98 minors are 29/30. Not past it yet despite what some people would like to think.
Harte is well aware that the team cant stand still, he said in the book that Armagh did so whereas Tyrone continued to evolve as a team. Since 2003 with the likes of the McMahons, Penrose, Tommy etc coming in and taking responsiblity. There are signs that Cavanagh Og and Cassidy are now making that breakthrough as well and we will see some of the 2008 lads stepping up over the next few years too.
Like the look of the team for Saturday. Red Sean and Cathal McCarron might well be disappointed but need to look at the likes of Carlin, Penrose and Tommy who were around the panel for a while and in and out of the starting 15 but stuck at it and were rewarded.
Im still concerned about who in this team is going to knit it all together though. Depending how it pans out would like to see McCullagh get on and see how his form is.
No Dromore or Ardboe men starting. It's a big ask of them lads. At least Dromore got their championship game played.
As I've said before the lack of a playmaker is a major concern. Sean has yet to convince in the HF line too. Unless Joey drops back and PH take the CHF role??
Quote from: tyroneman on June 18, 2010, 08:12:55 AM
As I've said before the lack of a playmaker is a major concern. Sean has yet to convince in the HF line too. Unless Joey drops back and PH take the CHF role??
I don't think it's a major concern at all. Playmakers are nothing more than good passers of the ball. We're fine with who we have there.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 18, 2010, 08:26:11 AM
I don't think it's a major concern at all. Playmakers are nothing more than good passers of the ball. We're fine with who we have there.
Brian McGuigan's role in 2003 and 2005 was a lot more than being a good passer of the ball! His linking of the play was absolutely crucial to the success of that Tyrone system. His absence in 2006 and 2007 was a huge loss. No coincidence that Tyrone were back near their best in 2008 when McCullagh stepped up and took on a similar role in the team. We didnt have anybody doing it last summer and it showed.
Zaptista a playmaker makes a vast difference to a team. A good passer with good vision will pick out good runs from FF lines and they'll automatically have more time to take scores.
I would have said it's a major concern.
If you don't have one of them O'Neill and Mulligan will score nowhere near as much.
Also you are underplaying McGuigan's value in 2003/2005 to the team by saying this.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 18, 2010, 08:54:47 AM
Zaptista a playmaker makes a vast difference to a team. A good passer with good vision will pick out good runs from FF lines and they'll automatically have more time to take scores.
I would have said it's a major concern.
If you don't have one of them O'Neill and Mulligan will score nowhere near as much.
Also you are underplaying McGuigan's value in 2003/2005 to the team by saying this.
No i'm not. He was extremely valuable as was McCullagh in 08. However, the lack of someone in that role can be compensated by quality footballers who can win their own ball and play it early or run at defences. While McGuigan and McCullagh are fantastic passers of the ball and can hold the ball up to give more time to make the right choice for them it's not always the best thing. My point is that there is more than one way to win a game and score points and I think there is enough quality individuals there to be able to do that.
I think playmaker became a buzz word which for some reason became a necessity. Probably to give the pundits something to discuss.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
Brian McGuigan's role in 2003 and 2005 was a lot more than being a good passer of the ball! His linking of the play was absolutely crucial to the success of that Tyrone system. His absence in 2006 and 2007 was a huge loss. No coincidence that Tyrone were back near their best in 2008 when McCullagh stepped up and took on a similar role in the team. We didnt have anybody doing it last summer and it showed.
Linking up is passing. I've no doubt they were cruicial but the system was built including them and not around them. Other systems can work around other players with other qualities. To use those stats to justify the role is pushing it a little.
Wouldn't tend to agree.
Most of the successful teams over the last while have had someone in the playmaker role - i.e. someone who had the vision to pick out a pass early and give the forward the extra yard to work with.
Blaney, McGuigan etc etc I wouldn't say Kerry have a typical one but if you look this year Gooch is coming out a lot and spraying good ball into Donaghy etc. Dara O'Se was also excellent.
Joe McMahon and Dooher wouldn't be teh worlds best passers of a ball and Kavanagh runs with it more than passes. Kevin Hughes wouldn't have the best feet on him either...
Quote from: Zapatista on June 18, 2010, 09:15:29 AM
Linking up is passing. I've no doubt they were cruicial but the system was built including them and not around them. Other systems can work around other players with other qualities. To use those stats to justify the role is pushing it a little.
Of course are other systems but in the style of play Mickey Harte has used in his time as Tyrone manager the role of playmaker has been pivotal. If he has indeed found a system where we dont somebody in the same role then great but there is no evidence that he has, or that the general system has changed, at this stage.
Just read that Down team. Am surprised how many of them I don't know
I see PJ is back in the subs. Glad to see that as really rated him
If the Down team line out with Benny, Gordon & Marty Clarke all in FF line ( I know Benny is 12) then our FB line could be in for a tough aul day of it unless Block & Joey are back there to help
If Down MF come out on top and kick the ball in fast to their FF line we could be in trouble alright. I'd say if we do see that you could see McCarron coming in early for either corner back though I have been impressed with Carlin this year. I've not seen enough of Swift to convince me yet but I think we were all surprised that Davey & Ricey got the chop and he didn't.
I think having a good "Playmaker" certainly adds to the game. A player who is composed on the ball, has great vision and can see space and possible runs and can control the play is worth a lot. Its like having an extra weapon in your armoury that can unlock defences. The way McGuigan used to dummy one way and do the opposite or like give you the eyes on direction but fist it the other way. These small things can lead to great passes and opens up play for your score takers. I'd say Mugsy especially but also SoN much prefer playing with a good playmaker who knows how they like the ball played in and when they can come running out for a pass and then swivel and get it played in behind. I for one think McCullagh has this over Penrose but Penrose's workrate and excellent tackling back will win out most of the time.
BTW, was the reason why this game was scheduled for a Sat evening?
Quite a lot of people I know aren't going to it because its on Friday evening.
Will it be mad busy there near Asda on a Sat at that time?
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2010, 08:53:54 AM
Quote from: Zapatista on June 18, 2010, 08:26:11 AM
I don't think it's a major concern at all. Playmakers are nothing more than good passers of the ball. We're fine with who we have there.
Brian McGuigan's role in 2003 and 2005 was a lot more than being a good passer of the ball! His linking of the play was absolutely crucial to the success of that Tyrone system. His absence in 2006 and 2007 was a huge loss. No coincidence that Tyrone were back near their best in 2008 when McCullagh stepped up and took on a similar role in the team. We didnt have anybody doing it last summer and it showed.
Completely agree LDA. I have been miffed by the absence of CMC of late, he was key to Tyrones success in 2008. As mentioned, Cavanagh does not really bring the Full Forward line into the game the way a Number 11 should. I don't think its any coincidence that any time Sean has played at CHF he has not really shone. It is noticeable from watching Tyrones Championship games last year and the one so far this year that the quality of ball to the Full Forward line is not great, with the like of SON in particular not receiving great service. I was hoping that someone like Peter Harte would be tried in a playmaker role as he seems to tick all the boxes, and maybe he will roam about the half forward line on Saturday night. Glad to see him in the team and hopefully Coney gets a run out as he is another player with great vision although he does try the audacious pass a bit too often but when it comes off its a joy to watch.
From what I have saw of Peter Harte I dont think he is a future centre half forward in the mould of Brian McGuigan. His stregths appear to be his pace, ability to take people on and beat them as opposed to bringing other people into the game.
Quote from: tyrone86 on June 17, 2010, 10:04:06 PM
From downgaa.net
1 B Mac an Bheatha Brendan McVeigh An Ríocht
2 D Ó Runaidh Declan Rooney Boireann
3 B Mac Árdghail Brendan McArdle Eanach Chluáin
4 D Ó Raifeartaigh Damian Rafferty Seamrogaí an Íuir
5 K Mac Thiarnáin Kevin McKernan Boireann
6 S Mac Colgan James Colgan An Ríocht
7 C Ó Gairbhith Conor Garvey Droichead Mhaigh Éo
8 A Mac Ruairí Ambrose Rogers Cloch Fhada
9 K Mac an Rí Kalum King Áth Bhriain
10 D Ó hAodha Daniel Hughes Sabhaill
11 M Mac Póilín Mark Poland Cloch Fhada
12 B Ó Coltáir Brendan Coulter Droichead Mhaigh Éo
13 C Mag Fhinn Conor Maginn Áth Bhriain
14 D Mac Mhuirneacháin Dan Gordon Loch an Oileáin
15 M Ó Cléirigh Martin Clarke An Ríocht
16 D Alder Declan Alder Ceathrú Aodha Dhuibh
17 P Mac Cumascaigh Paul McComiskey Dún Droma
18 S Ó Cléirigh John Clarke An Ríocht
19 C Mac Laibheartaigh Conor Laverty Cill Chua
20 R Mac Muireartaigh Ronan Murtagh Baile Cholmáin
21 S Ó Cearnaigh Stephen Kearney Sabhaill
22 G Mac Artáin Gerard McCartan Boireann
23 M Ó Deoráin Mark Doran Cloch Fhada
24 P Mac Giolla Phádraig Peter Fitzpatrick Baile Mhairtín
25 D Ó hÁgáin Darren O'Hagan Cluain Daimh
26 A Ó Cearra Aidan Carr Cluain Dáimh
27 I Mac an Bhreithiún Jason Brown Cluain Daimh
Strong Down team named. Our forward line looks very potent and we have great strength and depth in this department being able to call on John Clarke, Murtagh, Laverty and McComiskey if needed. Great to have Ambrose back along side big Kallum. I really fancy our chances but i think it will boil down to how McArdle copes with the brilliant ONeill. long direct ball to our full forward line will cause the Tyrone defence problems even though Gormley and Joe McMahon will surely be used as sweepers.
My attitude has changed since the teams were named
Both sets of fans seem to be quite optimistic and I'd say last week I was very confident but now I'm beginning to get a bit fearful.
I think it comes down to the amount of possession we get in around the middle as ever
We know we have the forwards to do damage and so it will probably come down to how we can break even around the middle third and stop the goal fest of 2003.
Tyrone by 4
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
Just read that Down team. Am surprised how many of them I don't know
I see PJ is back in the subs. Glad to see that as really rated him
If the Down team line out with Benny, Gordon & Marty Clarke all in FF line ( I know Benny is 12) then our FB line could be in for a tough aul day of it unless Block & Joey are back there to help
If Down MF come out on top and kick the ball in fast to their FF line we could be in trouble alright. I'd say if we do see that you could see McCarron coming in early for either corner back though I have been impressed with Carlin this year. I've not seen enough of Swift to convince me yet but I think we were all surprised that Davey & Ricey got the chop and he didn't.
I think having a good "Playmaker" certainly adds to the game. A player who is composed on the ball, has great vision and can see space and possible runs and can control the play is worth a lot. Its like having an extra weapon in your armoury that can unlock defences. The way McGuigan used to dummy one way and do the opposite or like give you the eyes on direction but fist it the other way. These small things can lead to great passes and opens up play for your score takers. I'd say Mugsy especially but also SoN much prefer playing with a good playmaker who knows how they like the ball played in and when they can come running out for a pass and then swivel and get it played in behind. I for one think McCullagh has this over Penrose but Penrose's workrate and excellent tackling back will win out most of the time.
BTW, was the reason why this game was scheduled for a Sat evening?
Quite a lot of people I know aren't going to it because its on Friday evening.
Will it be mad busy there near Asda on a Sat at that time?
What did Swift do to deserve the chop ahead of Davey or Ricey. Did he not keep his man scoreless the last day against Antrim. I believe Tomas McCann was also substituted. Both Ricey and Davey were poor the last day and as a result were taken off. Surely you would not advocate retaining these 2 players over Swift on current form.
I see some of the "Davey Bashers" are still not happy as Red Sean has not got his place. Maybe these "Davey Bashers" are in fact "Harte Bashers".
I think Peter Harte will be a better half back. His performances for the minors a couple of years ago at half back were great. Brilliant reader of the game and can moe forward with pace.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2010, 09:35:07 AM
Of course are other systems but in the style of play Mickey Harte has used in his time as Tyrone manager the role of playmaker has been pivotal. If he has indeed found a system where we dont somebody in the same role then great but there is no evidence that he has, or that the general system has changed, at this stage.
Contrary to popular belief football wasn't invented in 03. We were blessed with McGUigan and then McCullagh but if they aren't making the starting 15 then you need to do something else. By the sounds of it McGuigan is the only man who can pass and hold up a ball in Tyrone.
We all know MH doesn't always think inside the box. Everything has changed. It changed pre 2003 and has been changing since.
I don't like the idea that a person must be identified as a playmaker similar to a person being identified as a goalkeeper. It's not essential. If a good playmaker is there then it's only another option it's not a requirement.
I personally haven't saw enough of Swift to comment on how good or bad he is
He seemed OK v Antrim and I agree better than Ricey and Davey
A lot of people on here seemed to think it would be Block in and Swift out
I suppose I just thought MCCarron was a better option and seems maybe taller and stronger for the Down FF line but time will tell
I for one agree that we're better with Peter Harte in and I'd say him & Joey will be swapping a lot in that wing anyways.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2010, 12:18:03 PM
I personally haven't saw enough of Swift to comment on how good or bad he is
He seemed OK v Antrim and I agree better than Ricey and Davey
A lot of people on here seemed to think it would be Block in and Swift out
I suppose I just thought MCCarron was a better option and seems maybe taller and stronger for the Down FF line but time will tell
I for one agree that we're better with Peter Harte in and I'd say him & Joey will be swapping a lot in that wing anyways.
It would only be very slightly.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 18, 2010, 12:17:31 PM
Contrary to popular belief football wasn't invented in 03. We were blessed with McGUigan and then McCullagh but if they aren't making the starting 15 then you need to do something else. By the sounds of it McGuigan is the only man who can pass and hold up a ball in Tyrone.
We all know MH doesn't always think inside the box. Everything has changed. It changed pre 2003 and has been changing since.
I don't like the idea that a person must be identified as a playmaker similar to a person being identified as a goalkeeper. It's not essential. If a good playmaker is there then it's only another option it's not a requirement.
Who suggested it was ???? The fact that the 3 All-Irelands won by Tyrone were in years when we had somebody floating around and linking the whole system together is IMO pretty conclusive proof of the importance of that role in Mickey's system. As important as the Dooher role. Players are roaming all over the place and it has needed somebody to link it all up. There might well be somebody else in Tyrone who can do it but they havent shown it so far. And perhaps Mickey can make the whole thing work without somebody in that role, but he hasnt managed it so far.
Agree with loughshore lad too, Peter Harte looks like a great prospecft and is worth his place but Im not convinced he is in the McGuigan/McCullagh mould.
How will Down v Tyrone minors go ?
Any views on the minor match ?
Who would be favourites ?.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2010, 12:33:13 PM
Who suggested it was ???? The fact that the 3 All-Irelands won by Tyrone were in years when we had somebody floating around and linking the whole system together is IMO pretty conclusive proof of the importance of that role in Mickey's system. As important as the Dooher role. Players are roaming all over the place and it has needed somebody to link it all up. There might well be somebody else in Tyrone who can do it but they havent shown it so far. And perhaps Mickey can make the whole thing work without somebody in that role, but he hasnt managed it so far.
It isn't pretty conclusive anything. There are 15 players out there all linking up with eachother. It's not the job of one person. The same argument could be applied to SONs talents yet we made a final without him.
I'd like to think Mickey's system isn't that one dimensional.
Kyle Coney could be that person in the near future should it be required.
Anyway my original point was that i'm not overly concerned that there is no immediately identifiable playmaker.
I'd suggest that when you have players of the calibre of O'Neill and Mulligan inside, then having a playmaking centre-forward makes total sense. Cavanagh is one of the best players I've ever seen but his first thoughts are always to gain ground with his feet rather than the ball.
Zap's theory that 15 men are out to link with each other is muted by virtue of the fact that a centre half-forward by nature occupies the position on the pitch that dictates your style of football; he has the ability to change the direction and speed of play like nobody else. If he is always found in another position, then other players have to fill that void. And not everyone is comfortable in that role as it requires confidence, vision and accuracy. If his first action is always to continue the movement rather than to change it, your team can become one-dimensional.
Quote from: Tommo2 on June 18, 2010, 11:39:42 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
Just read that Down team. Am surprised how many of them I don't know
I see PJ is back in the subs. Glad to see that as really rated him
If the Down team line out with Benny, Gordon & Marty Clarke all in FF line ( I know Benny is 12) then our FB line could be in for a tough aul day of it unless Block & Joey are back there to help
If Down MF come out on top and kick the ball in fast to their FF line we could be in trouble alright. I'd say if we do see that you could see McCarron coming in early for either corner back though I have been impressed with Carlin this year. I've not seen enough of Swift to convince me yet but I think we were all surprised that Davey & Ricey got the chop and he didn't.
I think having a good "Playmaker" certainly adds to the game. A player who is composed on the ball, has great vision and can see space and possible runs and can control the play is worth a lot. Its like having an extra weapon in your armoury that can unlock defences. The way McGuigan used to dummy one way and do the opposite or like give you the eyes on direction but fist it the other way. These small things can lead to great passes and opens up play for your score takers. I'd say Mugsy especially but also SoN much prefer playing with a good playmaker who knows how they like the ball played in and when they can come running out for a pass and then swivel and get it played in behind. I for one think McCullagh has this over Penrose but Penrose's workrate and excellent tackling back will win out most of the time.
BTW, was the reason why this game was scheduled for a Sat evening?
Quite a lot of people I know aren't going to it because its on Friday evening.
Will it be mad busy there near Asda on a Sat at that time?
What did Swift do to deserve the chop ahead of Davey or Ricey. Did he not keep his man scoreless the last day against Antrim. I believe Tomas McCann was also substituted. Both Ricey and Davey were poor the last day and as a result were taken off. Surely you would not advocate retaining these 2 players over Swift on current form.
I see some of the "Davey Bashers" are still not happy as Red Sean has not got his place. Maybe these "Davey Bashers" are in fact "Harte Bashers".
I think Peter Harte will be a better half back. His performances for the minors a couple of years ago at half back were great. Brilliant reader of the game and can moe forward with pace.
I was the first person to mention about Red Sean not getting his place and I don't recall having a go at Petey Harte. I don't recall bashing Davy much either.
But Petey did perform very well for the Minors at Half back and is more than capable there, but take a look at the 08 Minor Final replay again, the winning of that game was when he was moved to Centre Half Forward in Extra time. He's a natural half forward and I still reckon thats were he'll play on Saturday with Joey moving to defence.
Indeed, to pick up on another couple of posts I think he'll assume the playmaker role that is being discussed. As LL said, he might not be exactly the same calibre of Brian McGuigan as a playmaker, but I think he'll be the equal of McCullagh in that regard and when he finds his feet, he'll score more heavily than both.
Sorry if I missed this on the thread but was their talk that Davey is injured?
Oh just saw this on the Belfast Telegraph.
Conor Gormley is back in the Tyrone team for Saturday's Ulster SFC semi-final against Down.
Gormley, who missed the win over Antrim because of a knee injury, has returned to full fitness, and has been named at centre back for the Casement Park clash.
There's a first championship start for Peter Harte, nephew of manager Mickey, who comes in at wing back for his cousin, Davy Harte, who has been ruled out by a calf strain. Gormley comes in as a direct replacement for Ryan McMenamin, who is not risked due to a slight hamstring strain.
Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/sport/gormley-returns-to-tyrone-lineup-14848405.html#ixzz0rDEWCMMP
Championship Focus on the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/northern_ireland/gaelic_games/8746888.stm
That's a good wee interview by Niblock. Where's he from?
Saw this article in the Tele as well
It's quite some time since Tyrone manager Mickey Harte found himself spoiled for choice in terms of defensive options — and that's one of the reasons why his side slid into Division Two of the National Football League.
Yet as he approaches Saturday's Ulster football championship semi-final against Down he is confronted by a rearguard selection poser that is much different to those which have exercised his mind over recent months.
Even though Ciaran Gourley and Damian McCaul are still recovering from long-term injuries, Harte is happy to have a fully recovered Conor Gormley and a willing Sean O'Neill very much in the frame for the showdown with James McCartan's side.
Gormley, who has been the central pillar of the Tyrone defence for several years now, has been out of the picture because of ankle trouble and his return should strengthen the team's chances of making it into the final against either Monaghan or Fermanagh.
And O'Neill — second-half sub in the win over Antrim — has been knocking loudly on the door for some time and is likely to get some more game time against the Mournemen.
The anticipated return of Gormley could see Ryan McMenamin move from centre-half-back, where he featured against Antrim, to his more familiar role at right-full-back with Martin Swift making way.
Harte, aware of Down's pace, skill in attack, is particularly anxious that his defensive strategy proves an effective barrier to the Mourne side's ambitions in a match which could be an epic.
"Obviously it's good to have someone of the calibre of Conor Gormley available again. While we must be patient in awaiting the return of Ciaran Gourley and Damien McCaul, we now have maybe one or two more options at our disposal.
"We will certainly need these as Down have shown they are a very attack-minded side this year and proved in extra-time against Donegal that they are imbued with plenty of energy and stamina," points out Harte.
In the ongoing absence of Aidan Cassidy from midfield the Tyrone manager is likely, once again, to place his faith in the Kevin Hughes-Colm Cavanagh partnership against Down.
"The injury that Aidan received could hardly have come at a worse time but the player himself is still very determined to have some input into our season. Obviously this will depend on his rate of rehabilitation and the length of our stay in the championship overall. It would be our hope that he makes a full recovery quickly and that we are still playing championship football when he reaches this point," says Harte.
Joe McMahon is expected to again fulfil a roving commission against Down with Stephen O'Neill and Owen Mulligan certain to operate as a two-man full-forward line as the Ulster champions bid to unhinge their opponents' sweeper mechanism
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2010, 10:23:07 AM
Just read that Down team. Am surprised how many of them I don't know
I see PJ is back in the subs. Glad to see that as really rated him
If the Down team line out with Benny, Gordon & Marty Clarke all in FF line ( I know Benny is 12) then our FB line could be in for a tough aul day of it unless Block & Joey are back there to help
If Down MF come out on top and kick the ball in fast to their FF line we could be in trouble alright. I'd say if we do see that you could see McCarron coming in early for either corner back though I have been impressed with Carlin this year. I've not seen enough of Swift to convince me yet but I think we were all surprised that Davey & Ricey got the chop and he didn't.
I think having a good "Playmaker" certainly adds to the game. A player who is composed on the ball, has great vision and can see space and possible runs and can control the play is worth a lot. Its like having an extra weapon in your armoury that can unlock defences. The way McGuigan used to dummy one way and do the opposite or like give you the eyes on direction but fist it the other way. These small things can lead to great passes and opens up play for your score takers. I'd say Mugsy especially but also SoN much prefer playing with a good playmaker who knows how they like the ball played in and when they can come running out for a pass and then swivel and get it played in behind. I for one think McCullagh has this over Penrose but Penrose's workrate and excellent tackling back will win out most of the time.
BTW, was the reason why this game was scheduled for a Sat evening?
Quite a lot of people I know aren't going to it because its on Friday evening.
Will it be mad busy there near Asda on a Sat at that time?
Assume its tv related. Its not a bad time for a match from the point of view that you can have a few drinks without worrying about work the next day. I'm sure it effects a few people who are working but sure some people work Sundays as well. Should still attract a big crowd and with the good weather should be a great evening. Assume there will be some extra traffic with it being a Saturday but hopefully not to bad.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 18, 2010, 12:53:02 PM
It isn't pretty conclusive anything. There are 15 players out there all linking up with eachother. It's not the job of one person. The same argument could be applied to SONs talents yet we made a final without him.
I'd like to think Mickey's system isn't that one dimensional.
Kyle Coney could be that person in the near future should it be required.
Anyway my original point was that i'm not overly concerned that there is no immediately identifiable playmaker.
Nobody was suggesting it was down to one person rather than all 15 to link up but when Tyrone have been at their most effective they have had a pivot who has drifted around and exerted real influence on putting play together. I wouldnt altogether agree that makes the system "one dimesional" but there are without doubt certain roles within the setup that are absolutely crucial. Harte himself has said that McGuigan was the one man he couldnt afford to lose after the 2005 season. For a classic example of that pivot play check out McGuigan in the final 15 minutes of the 2008 Final when he came on and so much of whatTyrone did from then on went through him. If he can do it for longer he could still be a key man this summer.
Coney might be the man in the future. Mulgrew could have been but unfortunately at this stage its not looking too likely.
Clearly we will have to agree to disagree on the importance of the role ;D.
The Cavan folk wont be too happy with Niblock claiming in that piece that Tyrone and Down are the two most successful Ulster counties in terms of All-Irelands :o
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 18, 2010, 04:13:22 PM
Quote from: Zapatista on June 18, 2010, 12:53:02 PM
It isn't pretty conclusive anything. There are 15 players out there all linking up with eachother. It's not the job of one person. The same argument could be applied to SONs talents yet we made a final without him.
I'd like to think Mickey's system isn't that one dimensional.
Kyle Coney could be that person in the near future should it be required.
Anyway my original point was that i'm not overly concerned that there is no immediately identifiable playmaker.
Nobody was suggesting it was down to one person rather than all 15 to link up but when Tyrone have been at their most effective they have had a pivot who has drifted around and exerted real influence on putting play together. I wouldnt altogether agree that makes the system "one dimesional" but there are without doubt certain roles within the setup that are absolutely crucial. Harte himself has said that McGuigan was the one man he couldnt afford to lose after the 2005 season. For a classic example of that pivot play check out McGuigan in the final 15 minutes of the 2008 Final when he came on and so much of whatTyrone did from then on went through him. If he can do it for longer he could still be a key man this summer.
Coney might be the man in the future. Mulgrew could have been but unfortunately at this stage its not looking too likely.
Clearly we will have to agree to disagree on the importance of the role ;D.
The Cavan folk wont be too happy with Niblock claiming in that piece that Tyrone and Down are the two most successful Ulster counties in terms of All-Irelands :o
Shane Glynn and BBC editoral at work again? Perhaps Jerome has a point after all!
Just have a niggling feeling that in Tally and McIvor, McCartan has a team that'll have Tyrone dissected inside out and may have a gameplan that'll see the Tyrone NFL form being the real indicator as to where the Red Hands are at. The good news for Tyrone is that my pessimism is rising again. It has brought three All-Irelands.
I wonder will young Coney get a run out?
Enough about the game, where are you all pinting?
Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2010, 10:33:40 PM
Just have a niggling feeling that in Tally and McIvor, McCartan has a team that'll have Tyrone dissected inside out and may have a gameplan that'll see the Tyrone NFL form being the real indicator as to where the Red Hands are at. The good news for Tyrone is that my pessimism is rising again. It has brought three All-Irelands.
I don't think there is any doubt Tally and McIver will be well clued in to the weakness in the Tyrone team but hopefully they don't have the personnel at their disposal to exploit them.
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 18, 2010, 10:42:58 PM
I wonder will young Coney get a run out?
Lets hope so, he isn't going to progress sitting on the bench for Tyrone as well as not being able to play for the club.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on June 18, 2010, 10:46:00 PM
Enough about the game, where are you all pinting?
Hopefully 1-2 in Fruit before and 3+ in Casement after. Former 50%, latter 99%.
Quote from: hardstation on June 18, 2010, 11:02:38 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on June 18, 2010, 10:46:00 PM
Enough about the game, where are you all pinting?
Hopefully 1-2 in Fruit before and 3+ in Casement after. Former 50%, latter 99%.
I'll go with this unless someone has a better idea.
Meeting a couple of boys in the PDs before the game. Timf for 1+ after.
A pre warning....don't slag off the Provos when socializing in the PD club. I have witnessed community restorative justice in full swing when the said event occurs. Not a pretty sight :(
Sorry lads I cant make it this time but I've a really good excuse but I cant tell you just yet
I've just drank a bottle of white wine on my own for the first time and I'm looking out over Dublin Bay and there seems to be a blue moon. I can see the Pigeon House from my house and I think it's trying to tell me something
http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/21308092.jpg (http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/21308092.jpg)
We had a cracker game in the Marshes in 2008 which for once Tyrone came out the wrong side of
I've a feeling we're in for anot$her cracker where the two best teams from Ulster in the last 40 years (I'm drunk so give me some freedom here Apple Jacks)
So I think we will shake off our negative defensive blankets to reveal our smooth silky bodies with
Marty Clarke. 1.02
S'O Neill 2-01
Benny 2-00
Sean Cavan 1.05
Dan Gordon 3-00
Mugsy 2.09
Fuzz 1.11
oops and of course Dooher 2 points
Enjoy the game folks and let those South Western whingers weep in their aristocat years
BTW
I'm not that pissed
Engerland only drew NOT lost
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 18, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
A pre warning....don't slag off the Provos when socializing in the PD club. I have witnessed community restorative justice in full swing when the said event occurs. Not a pretty sight :(
If you thought that was bad don't ever slag the PDs.
Pd sounds good to me.
Quote from: ONeill on June 18, 2010, 11:57:00 PM
Pd sounds good to me.
See you there, and I'm not nearly as pissed as Fuzzman ;)
Ye are just
Wake up yer drooling there on the keyboard
Quote from: Ulick on June 18, 2010, 11:55:56 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on June 18, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
A pre warning....don't slag off the Provos when socializing in the PD club. I have witnessed community restorative justice in full swing when the said event occurs. Not a pretty sight :(
If you thought that was bad don't ever slag the PDs.
Never speak ill of the dead.
Wat times throw in for the minor game?
Pretty sure its 3.30.
Suppose ziggy not watching this match either. Lol
Tommy Lyons says if Down can dominate midfield they can win. ::) Has he ever seen a Tyrone game!
FFS this minute silence is getting a joke!
What was the minutes silence for this week?
Any links?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
What was the minutes silence for this week?
Any links?
Principal at Belvoir College/School
Ulster Senior Football Championship semi-final
Tyrone 0-02 0-04 Down, Casement Park, 5.15pm
8min played
7min (D) Point from Free – M Poland
6min (D) Point from Play – D Gordan
6min (T) Point from Play – B Dooher
6min (D) Point from Play – D Gordan
3min (T) Point from Free – M Penrose
2min (D) Point from Play – A Rogers
1min (D) Point from Play – M Poland
Down: B McVeigh; D Rooney, B McArdle, D Rafferty; K McKernan, J Colgan, C Garvey; A Rogers, K King; D Hughes, M Poland, B Coulter; C Maginn, D Gordon, M Clarke.
Tyrone: P McConnell; M Swift, Justin McMahon, D Carlin; P Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; C Cavanagh, K Hughes; B Dooher, S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon; M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/06/19/gaa-live-scores-results-saturday-19th-june/
SON gone after 12 mins Injured. :-[
At least Dooher's still on top form. ;D
Two monster scores by big Joe and Cavanagh (the greater).
Dooher is on fire!
Tyrone started off pretty poor but coming into the game now. Worried about the amount of soft free's Tyrone are giving away in scoring positions for Down.
Fantastic game of football, but sure we all knew that was gonna be the case. These two don't do ordinary.
Tyrone now have 6 scores on the trot and are playing as well as I've seen them all year, even without SON. Down are now relying on frees for scores.
Noticeable how many of Down's early scores came from midfield.
Enjoyable 1st half still all to play for but......... have the feeling those missed frees are gonna cost Down
Anyone found a link?
Interesting half, Down came out all guns blazing but Tyrone seem to have took control. Great to see Tyrone play like this, they all seem to flying fit and hungry. Early days yet but, facing a stiff breeze now.
Down have a lot of yellow cards and have to watch their tackling.
Ulster Senior Football Championship semi-final
Tyrone 0-10 0-08 Down, Casement Park, 5.15pm
HT
32min (T) Point from Play – D Carlin
30min (T) Point from Free – S Kavanagh
29min (T) Point from Free – M Penrose
24min (T) Point from Play – S Kavanagh
23min (T) Point from Play – Joe McMahon
21min (T) Point from Free – M Penrose
21min (T) Point from Free – M Penrose
18min (D) Point from Play – D Hughes
15min (T) Point from Free – S Kavanagh
14min (D) Point from Play – A Rogers
12min (T) Point from Play – B Dooher
11min (D) Point from Free – M Clarke
10min (D) Point from Free – M Clarke
7min (D) Point from Free – M Poland
6min (D) Point from Play – D Gordan
6min (T) Point from Play – B Dooher
6min (D) Point from Play – D Gordan
3min (T) Point from Free – M Penrose
2min (D) Point from Play – A Rogers
1min (D) Point from Play – M Poland
Down: B McVeigh; D Rooney, B McArdle, D Rafferty; K McKernan, J Colgan, C Garvey; A Rogers, K King; D Hughes, M Poland, B Coulter; C Maginn, D Gordon, M Clarke.
Tyrone: P McConnell; M Swift, Justin McMahon, D Carlin; P Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; C Cavanagh, K Hughes; B Dooher, S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon; M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/06/19/gaa-live-scores-results-saturday-19th-june/
SON's loss has kicked started Tyrone. Down's early intensity has forced them to play at pace, which they do well. After absorbing Down's early run, Tyrone scored 6 points on the trot. Some monster scores. What about big Joe's.
On another note. Jarlath Burns is a complete tube. Takes every opportunity to petutlantly jibe Canavan. No class. Worst GAA pundit at the minute, and that's saying something. He talks well, pity all he talks is pure manure.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 06:05:16 PM
SON's loss has kicked started Tyrone. Down's early intensity has forced them to play at pace, which they do well. After absorbing Down's early run, Tyrone scored 6 points on the trot. Some monster scores. What about big Joe's.
On another note. Jarlath Burns is a complete tube. Takes every opportunity to petutlantly jibe Canavan. No class. Worst GAA pundit at the minute, and that's saying something. He talks well, pity all he talks is pure manure.
What's he saying?
Great score from big Joe. Similar to Dooher's v Kerry in 2008 AIF
What happened SON?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 06:05:16 PM
SON's loss has kicked started Tyrone. Down's early intensity has forced them to play at pace, which they do well. After absorbing Down's early run, Tyrone scored 6 points on the trot. Some monster scores. What about big Joe's.
On another note. Jarlath Burns is a complete tube. Takes every opportunity to petutlantly jibe Canavan. No class. Worst GAA pundit at the minute, and that's saying something. He talks well, pity all he talks is pure manure.
What's he saying?
Ack keeps slagging Canavan about the penalty he won against Down. Was "funny" the first time, just not the fourth. Can't abide the man any more. Was OK watching him on the field when you couldn't hear him talking.
Quote from: tyssam5 on June 19, 2010, 06:10:21 PM
What happened SON?
Think he was getting treatment on the ankle. Not confirmed though.
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 06:05:16 PM
SON's loss has kicked started Tyrone. Down's early intensity has forced them to play at pace, which they do well. After absorbing Down's early run, Tyrone scored 6 points on the trot. Some monster scores. What about big Joe's.
On another note. Jarlath Burns is a complete tube. Takes every opportunity to petutlantly jibe Canavan. No class. Worst GAA pundit at the minute, and that's saying something. He talks well, pity all he talks is pure manure.
What's he saying?
Ack keeps slagging Canavan about the penalty he won against Down. Was "funny" the first time, just not the fourth. Can't abide the man any more. Was OK watching him on the field when you couldn't hear him talking.
But Canavan's dive was ridiculous.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 06:16:22 PM
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Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 06:07:21 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 06:05:16 PM
SON's loss has kicked started Tyrone. Down's early intensity has forced them to play at pace, which they do well. After absorbing Down's early run, Tyrone scored 6 points on the trot. Some monster scores. What about big Joe's.
On another note. Jarlath Burns is a complete tube. Takes every opportunity to petutlantly jibe Canavan. No class. Worst GAA pundit at the minute, and that's saying something. He talks well, pity all he talks is pure manure.
What's he saying?
Ack keeps slagging Canavan about the penalty he won against Down. Was "funny" the first time, just not the fourth. Can't abide the man any more. Was OK watching him on the field when you couldn't hear him talking.
But Canavan's dive was ridiculous.
Aye but, history now. He's an Armagh man, it's just petulant.
Red Sean's on for Swift.
Credit where credit is due - Paddy Hunter has upped his game today.
Down have had their chances to take this one, may rue those easy-ish place kicks
bbc simply refuse to call the ref his proper name lazy disrepectful pricks, rte know his name >:( text 81771 to complain
Quote from: lawnseed on June 19, 2010, 06:29:33 PM
bbc simply refuse to call the ref his proper name lazy disrepectful pricks, rte know his name >:( text 81771 to complain
What's his name this week?
Either way he is too whistle happy.
Down left to rely on frees for scores. Tyrone dictating the pace of the second half. Down's frustration evident since 30th minute. Missing from everywhere.
We've had a lot of ball, but where are the scores in the 2nd half? Been 12-9 for ages
Quote from: tyssam5 on June 19, 2010, 06:38:44 PM
We've had a lot of ball, but where are the scores in the 2nd half? Been 12-9 for ages
You're right, but glad you spoke. Penrose takes Tyrone's first score in what must be 10-15 mins
Down are shapeless in the 2nd half - all their running at the Tyrone defence and support play in the 1st half dried up. Dissapointing 2nd half to be honest.
All the same if COulter had drawn on the ball there he could have had it in the net.
Tyrone brings out the best in Packie. Two great saves today.
What about that for a 45! Played back down the field, resulted in a point by Penrose.
Another Ango-Celt beckons. Only Monaghan (surely) stand in the way.
Happy enough with that. Poor second half compared to the 1st, but Tyrone controlled the game well. Brilliant save from big Packie at the end.
Penrose had a great game i think and what about benny he was quiet or maybe i had to many pints.
Really enjoyed Seamus McCallan as a pundit on q101 west coverage.
Much better than Noel McGinn.
Good result for Tyrone, looking forward to seeing the highlights - for some reason Setanta wouldnt accept my payment details. >:(
It's 1998 since either Tyrone or Armagh didn't win the Ulster title i wonder will Fermanagh or Monaghan change that stat come the 18th July
QuoteIt's 1998 since either Tyrone or Armagh didn't win the Ulster title i wonder will Fermanagh or Monaghan change that stat come the 18th July
I'd be extremely suprised if Fermanagh do, Monaghan should be able to battle more effectively than Down did in the second half today.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 19, 2010, 06:54:28 PM
Really enjoyed Seamus McCallan as a pundit on q101 west coverage.
Much better than Noel McGinn.
Good result for Tyrone, looking forward to seeing the highlights - for some reason Setanta wouldnt accept my payment details. >:(
It was doing the same to me, kept denying it but eventually it gave in after numerous attempts.
What a man Dooher is, him and Penrose were excellent as was Brian Mc Guigan, great to see him play so well.
How did Martin Clarke do?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 07:10:50 PM
How did Martin Clarke do?
Failed to impress... again. All the ability, just lacks the temperament. Can't cope when up against quality opposition. Can't do it on the big stage. He'd be sitting on the bench with Coney if he was from Tyrone.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 07:10:50 PM
How did Martin Clarke do?
Failed to impress... again. All the ability, just lacks the temperament. Can't cope when up against quality opposition. Can't do it on the big stage. He'd be sitting on the bench with Coney if he was from Tyrone.
Never seen him as bad from the dead ball ??? Penrose was deadly today as usual and will fill the Dooher slot nicely
when the inevitable happens... sound enough all round performance and can only improve from here.
Any word on O'Neill's Injury?
It was 8-2 at one stage iirc.tyrone scored 8 on the trot before half time
Thought it was 8-3 for maybe a minute or two and then 8-4, after about 18 minutes. Maybe i'm wrong, but i'd still not say
dead & buried with still 50+ minuites left.
Quote from: laceer on June 19, 2010, 07:55:26 PM
It was 8-2 at one stage iirc.tyrone scored 8 on the trot before half time
6 on the trot. Were never that far behind.
Went up to Casement as a neutral and have to say it will be a while before I am at a football match again, that was hard to watch.
Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Went up to Casement as a neutral and have to say it will be a while before I am at a football match again, that was hard to watch.
You sure you were neutral?
The first half was very good, though the second half was poor I thought there was some good moments in it all the same.
As they say, its hard to beat the auld dog for the long road, no substitute for experience.
Down looked like tearing Tyrone apart in the first 25m but thereafter Tyrone took control. Auld hands like Dooher (immense today), S Cavanagh and B McGuigan showed their value when things were going wrong and steadied the ship.
Well done Tyrone on today. Althought well beaten today and with a lot to learn, that Down team, dispite the evident FB line weakness, can look to the future with confidence. Down never did back-doors before now but I think they should give it a real push this year.
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Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Went up to Casement as a neutral and have to say it will be a while before I am at a football match again, that was hard to watch.
You sure you were neutral?
Absolutely !
Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2010, 08:07:38 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 08:01:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Went up to Casement as a neutral and have to say it will be a while before I am at a football match again, that was hard to watch.
You sure you were neutral?
Absolutely !
Jarlath Burns neutral?
Naw, but to be fair the second half was a tactical affair. But the first half was top drawer.
Quote from: Take Your Points on June 15, 2010, 10:20:59 PM
Quote from: rrhf on June 15, 2010, 02:45:48 PM
I can see Conor Gormley having a right oul tussle with Marty Clarke.
Bad news for Gormley if he is put up against Clarke. The younger man will highlight the effects of age and injury, it might result in Gormley resorting to the less attractive aspects of his game.
::)
Memories of a bygone age for Down, before MH, before tactics and before the breed of 97/98 for Tyrone.
http://bit.ly/aWpafF
Good show from Tyrone, really turned the screw on Down in the 2nd half. Hard to know why Down collapsed so badly. Have to say was very disappointed in Clarke, heard so much and this is the 1st real chance I had to see him.
Think if Monaghan get to the final they will have a good chance of beating Tyrone, they are showing some weaknesses that were not there before imo.
Two years later and a certain man from north Tyrone is on the scene...
http://bit.ly/cKbfmI
What a pass from Sucky!
Good win for tyrone, won today playing about 70% of what they are cabable of. Thought Penrose played some stuff same with dooher 2 cracker points. Good to see that they can win and win well without o'neill. As for down not scoring from play for 44 mins and scoring 2 points in the second half won't win you any ulster championship game especially against tyrone. Thought the ref gave out a few bookings that were harsh but he wasnt as bad as he can be :-\. IMO neither monaghan or fermanagh will beat tyrone!!
Penrose was excellent today and Tyrone also had very good performances from the McMahons and Dermot Carlin.
To be honest I thought that nobody played well apart from maybe Maginn and McArdle. Can't believe Poland and Marty missed those 2 very easy free's.
Well done Tyrone, think that game will bring them on immensely. Obviously would have prefered to have shown a bit more scoring wise but we'll be happy enough to save that for later in the year.
Packie: Made two great saves to keep Down at bay in both halves. Kickouts were ok, baring a loose one early in the
first half which lead to a Down point. Certain of the No 1 jersey in the final barring injury. 8/10
Swift: Put in a steady shift, looked a but umcomfortable in
first 20 mins but so did a lot of the back six. Taken off, possibly due to being on a yellow. 6/10
Justy: Another steady shift, whether he was on Gordon or Coulter kept them very quiet. No lung busting runs out of defence but will be more than pleased with his performance. 7/10
Dermy: My MOTM from the back 6, got through a mountain of work and made some great runs up field taking the pressure off the defence also bagging his first point from play. 7.5/10.
Petey: Surprisingly played a defensive role for first 15/20 mind and appeared to be lost. Moved up the field opperating as the spare man and got his hands on a lot of ball. Will be happy with his full debut. 6.5/10.
Block: Another steady Eddie, done all that was asked off him and done it with little fuss. Will be happy to get 70 competitive mins under his belt. 6/10.
Jordan: Done well overall, over ran in first 20 but not really his fault with the Down men piling through from MF. A stereotypically solid 6/10 performance.
Hughes: Very subdued first half, all at sea for the first 20 mins but gradually played his way into the game. Superb catch under pressure under the posts in the 2nd half. 6/10.
Colm Cav: Similarily to hub was all at sea in the first quarter. Down completely destroyed them for first 20 mins but came more into it for last 3/4's of the game. Silly yellow card early in 2nd half could have left us in bother if he'd been given a red. 6/10.
Dooher: Like a fine wine, matures with age. Plays the game like a young buck getting his first start. Harried, hassled, ran himself into the ground and fired over a few beauties. Very close to MOTM award. 8/10.
Sean Cav: Put in a good shift, scored his usual spectacular score and moved around various positions depending on what was needed off him. Solid if not spectacular overall performance. 7/10.
Joey: As expected played most of his football was played in the defence. A real Rolls Royce of a player who very rarely looses possesion or takes the wrong option. Scored the point of the day along with putting the shackles on various Down danger men through out the afternoon. Another man very close to MOTM. 8/10.
Mugsy: A funny day out for Mugsy, very little ball made it to him in the FF line and couldn't get into the game in 1st half. Came into it more in the 2nd roving further out the field to get his hands on the ball and scored his trade mark shimmy point. 6.5/10.
SoN: Touched the ball once before retiring with a heel injury. Not on long enough to be rated, hopefully should be fit for the final.
Penrose: Got through a trojan amount of work and also caped off the day with the top scorer award (0-05). Was all over the pitch between hassling Down men in the Tyrone corner back position to winning break ball in the middle. Gets my vote for MOTM in light of his 5 points and just pips Dooher, Joey and BMcG to the award. 8.5/10.
Subs
B Mc Guigan: Entered the field in the 12th minute and was back to his vintage best. Really calms things down and 8/10 times chooses the right option. Not as potent in front of the posts as he used to be but was involved in a lot of the Tyrone scores. Great to see him back, will push very hard for a starting spot next day out. 8/10.
Red Sean: Done well when he came on, made some good breaks up field and was steady in his defensive duties. 6/10
Rest of subs not on long enough to be rated.
Two of our biggest names, Clarke and Gordon, were poor. Why Dan didn't bend his back instead of trying to soccer it into the net is beyond me
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 18, 2010, 02:54:39 PM
That's a good wee interview by Niblock. Where's he from?
Magherafelt. He's a full cousin of Kevin (St Gall's) and David (Nemo Rangers) I believe? He does a good job (notwithstanding his Cavan slip up - a mistake of the "in recent times" variety rather than "6 counties", I think ;))
Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2010, 08:07:38 PM
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Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
Went up to Casement as a neutral and have to say it will be a while before I am at a football match again, that was hard to watch.
You sure you were neutral?
Absolutely !
Me too. Great first half. Second half was painful to watch.
Quote from: dodgy umpire on June 19, 2010, 09:15:37 PM
Two of our biggest names, Clarke and Gordon, were poor. Why Dan didn't bend his back instead of trying to soccer it into the net is beyond me
Benny wasnt great either.
Turning point. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA//
Big Pascal proved his worth, as he did when he came in at the last minute in the 2008 AIF and saved late on.
Quote from: Any craic on June 19, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
Turning point. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA//
Big Pascal proved his worth, as he did when he came in at the last minute in the 2008 AIF and saved late on.
To be fair, he shot it straight at him - the keeper had nothing much to do.
I can't understand how Down only made 3 subs and how 2 of them were made so late on. Surely that's poor from a management point of view, given what was happening? Or do Down just not have any options?
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
15,000 I hear.
Danny on the 'ball' - http://ulster.gaa.ie///
Former manager gives his take on Tyrone v Down
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
15,000 I hear.
Think it was closer to 20,000. But nowhere near the 30,000 the Irish News story laughably predicted.
In fairness I only saw him do it, not a swipe at him if others did it too, there is pride in wearing the Down jersey and I dont like it being given away at the end of a match. A small gripe yes, but im in poor form anyway after today
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
15,000 I hear.
Think it was closer to 20,000. But nowhere near the 30,000 the Irish News story laughably predicted.
Still not bad for a Saturday evening throw in.
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
15,000 I hear.
Think it was closer to 20,000. But nowhere near the 30,000 the Irish News story laughably predicted.
Micheal O'Muirchertaigh gave out this figure on the radio earlier.
As you say a good enough attendance.
Croke park is hardly going to be filled for the Ulster final ?? ;) :)
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 19, 2010, 09:42:40 PM
I can't understand how Down only made 3 subs and how 2 of them were made so late on. Surely that's poor from a management point of view, given what was happening? Or do Down just not have any options?
Thought that too Maguire. There was a serious failure in management. There should have been 5 subs used. Dan Gordon was dreadful in the second half. He couldn't judge the high ball at all - I think Penrose out caught him once. How did he stay on?
Down tactics in the second half were all wrong. They were playing with the wind and were behind and had at most 2 men up beyond the 45 most of the time and sometimes only 1. McComiskey did well but he was practically on the sdieline 40m out with nowhere to go when he won his ball. Maybe they were trying to simulate 13-a-side to humour Benny?
Meanwhile at the other end there were 2 or 3 spare down men running about aimlessly while the Tyrone forwards scooped up 30m passes under no pressure ???
Why was John Clarke not tried? Was there nobody else?
And what was the craic with 45's? Missing 3 in a county match is criminal. Even a lower league club side would have a plan B. ::)
McCartan, McIvor and Tally were found wanting today, moreso than the players on the field even perhaps.
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
Croke park is hardly going to be filled for the Ulster final ?? ;) :)
It won't be anwhere near Croker. That was only ever a possibility for an Armagh v Down final in my opinion.
Sandwiches. That for that vid, it lifted my drooping spirits.
Shame is Down now need to follow the strategic tactics of boring football that the modern game has become because Down's style of free flowing game no longer works at inter county level.
I think Wee James is taking us there bit by bit but it will take a few seasons yet as it doesn't come naturally to us.
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
15,000 I hear.
Think it was closer to 20,000. But nowhere near the 30,000 the Irish News story laughably predicted.
Micheal O'Muirchertaigh gave out this figure on the radio earlier.
As you say a good enough attendance.
Croke park is hardly going to be filled for the Ulster final ?? ;) :)
Play her at the Washingbay!
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 10:11:41 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:05:51 PM
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:00:42 PM
Quote from: 020304 Tir Eoghain on June 19, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
Did they call out the attendance today? What was it?
15,000 I hear.
Think it was closer to 20,000. But nowhere near the 30,000 the Irish News story laughably predicted.
Micheal O'Muirchertaigh gave out this figure on the radio earlier.
As you say a good enough attendance.
Croke park is hardly going to be filled for the Ulster final ?? ;) :)
Play her at the Washingbay!
Player at Aghaloo, £125 a ticket.
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 19, 2010, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: Any craic on June 19, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
Turning point. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA//
Big Pascal proved his worth, as he did when he came in at the last minute in the 2008 AIF and saved late on.
To be fair, he shot it straight at him - the keeper had nothing much to do.
Don't agree Maguire. I was in line with the shot and I thought McConnell got an outstretched (diving) hand to it. It was a very good save.
His first half save looked like a classic (good) goalkeeper's block where he instinctively closed the forward down.
Some good but a lot of bad for Down today.
The full-back line was the real positive. Rafferty had his best Championship outing yet and probably still has blond hairs in his pocket. McArdle showed a bit of class and a bit of intelligence that has been so often lacking in our converted full-backs of recent years. Rooney had a decent game.
Beyond them, only Maginn threw in good solid hour.
The whole lot were excellent for those first 15 minutes, but there was a serious lack of character thereafter. King and Rogers blew up badly. Gordon was off the pace and ponderous. Clarke was miles off it, and for the first time watching him, he appeared confused by his role, and too frantic to force play when he did get involved. Ditto Coulter, except we've seen it before. Colgan disappeared. McKernan was shocking and Garvey had too much edge.
For me, McVeigh had an absolute stinker with his kickouts. It was so reminiscent of his predecessor and namesake (a keeper who I had so much time for) in that his answer to getting cleaned out by kicking the ball up the middle was to try kicking it longer up the middle. We had a height advantage in most areas of the field, had an athletic team, and were calling out for variation. I imagine though the statistics in the Irish News on Monday about our kickout retention will be horrifiic.
I did kind of feel sorry for our forwards in the second half. Midfield was destroyed which meant we never put back-to-back possession together, and when we did it almost invariably ended with a hoke rather than a pass. Maybe they weren't running the right lines, but I don't think so - instead I think it was a case of the midfield and half-backs trying to play Hollywood football.
Which, given the ease at which we opened Tyrone up in the first quarter with simple fist passes and short kickpasses, it is quite staggering that we reverted to this sort of game.
Management aren't getting off with the blame. Pete Fitzpatrick is not a better answer than King with first phase possession, and that's where the game was lost. Jason Brown simply had no entitlement to come onto the field ahead of fellas who worked their bollocks off through the league campaign - especially when we were crying out for full-forward ball-winners. And quite why they allowed McVeigh to continually kick long, and their attacking ploy to consist of booting the ball in aimlessly, is beyond me. Lastly, the constant roundabout going on between the forward line (plus Gordon) was bizarre. It's one thing to keep the opposition, but it's another when your players don't know if, why, how long and when they'll be in a certain position.
As for Tyrone, congratulations on another victory where experience, intelligence and no small amount of graft where the determining factors.
Packie McConnell was outstanding today, both for his saves and his kickouts. Justin Mc once again proved that full-back isn't that difficult if you're a natural. Peter Harte showed energy and commonsense throughout. Hub and Cavanagh both gave up playing football and just did the dirty work required, and then some. Penrose was outstanding, and never put a foot wrong. Dooher was given largely a free role, and he punished Down for it. Cavanagh, as usual, did enough for most other players to win a man of the match award. Special praise though for Brian McGuigan. Before he arrived, Tyrone were aimless and unsure. Almost by virtue of his presence, they seemed to all understand their roles again. They were no longer hurried, but precise. And credit to Micky Harte too. When O'Neill went off, he made the big switch, and didn't f**k around with it.
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
Sandwiches. That for that vid, it lifted my drooping spirits.
Shame is Down now need to follow the strategic tactics of boring football that the modern game has become because Down's style of free flowing game no longer works at inter county level.
I think Wee James is taking us there bit by bit but it will take a few seasons yet as it doesn't come naturally to us.
Playing football brought Down dividends, retreating into the 'modern game' made them look woeful. The 2nd half was painful to watch after proably the best first half of football this championship.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 19, 2010, 10:23:17 PM
For me, McVeigh had an absolute stinker with his kickouts. It was so reminiscent of his predecessor and namesake (a keeper who I had so much time for) in that his answer to getting cleaned out by kicking the ball up the middle was to try kicking it longer up the middle. We had a height advantage in most areas of the field, had an athletic team, and were calling out for variation. I imagine though the statistics in the Irish News on Monday about our kickout retention will be horrifiic.
A bit harsh Wobbler. He didn't kick any howlers directly to the other team unopposed (unlike Packie at the other end - that's the risk of trying to pin-point a kick over 65m). The ball was in the air long enough for Down men to get under them and they mostly did. Down's main failure was in winning break ball which a goalkeeper can't really influence.
I thought there was (some) variation. But most of all, there was little movement from Down - contrast Tyrone, when their kickouts looked like one of those American Football moves where everybody runs everywhere!
It's the easiest thing in the world to blame the kickouts when midfield aren't winning ball they should!
OverThePostsAWide, in my book nothing says "sort yourselves the f**k out" to a midfield combination like a goalkeeper refusing to kick then ball out on top of them.
Quote from: bennydorano on June 19, 2010, 10:33:56 PM
Quote from: In the Onion Bag on June 19, 2010, 10:11:17 PM
Sandwiches. That for that vid, it lifted my drooping spirits.
Shame is Down now need to follow the strategic tactics of boring football that the modern game has become because Down's style of free flowing game no longer works at inter county level.
I think Wee James is taking us there bit by bit but it will take a few seasons yet as it doesn't come naturally to us.
Playing football brought Down dividends, retreating into the 'modern game' made them look woeful. The 2nd half was painful to watch after proably the best first half of football this championship.
Agree Benny. First 25 minutes were brilliant and Tyrone were on the rack (where did we hear that before?). The rest was complete sh*te as a football spectacle. It was like Down had a frontal lobe labotamy at half time and Tyrone just reeled them in >:(
Quote from: OverThePostsAWide on June 19, 2010, 10:16:02 PM
Quote from: Maguire01 on June 19, 2010, 09:37:38 PM
Quote from: Any craic on June 19, 2010, 09:33:42 PM
Turning point. http://www.youtube.com/user/UlsterGAA//
Big Pascal proved his worth, as he did when he came in at the last minute in the 2008 AIF and saved late on.
To be fair, he shot it straight at him - the keeper had nothing much to do.
Don't agree Maguire. I was in line with the shot and I thought McConnell got an outstretched (diving) hand to it. It was a very good save.
His first half save looked like a classic (good) goalkeeper's block where he instinctively closed the forward down.
The one hander save, late in 2nd half, was top drawer goalkeeping, no doubt.
Tyrone went berry picking in the 2nd half, or have they lost their game killing instinct?
Down got off to an almost incredible start with Tyrone players chasing shadows but after their wonderful start, Tyrone just took over and from there to the end, it was as Brolly talked about in this week's Gaelic Life, Miller time only instead of Miller time it was Penrose, Cavanagh, Mc Guigan, Doohertime !
It will be sad day when we see Dooher, Mc Guigan and these lads leave the stage for good.
Long may they reign.
Harte in the ned got the tactics right to totally frustrate Down.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 19, 2010, 10:43:59 PM
OverThePostsAWide, in my book nothing says "sort yourselves the f**k out" to a midfield combination like a goalkeeper refusing to kick then ball out on top of them.
And do what? Stand over the ball looking menacingly at them?
Don't think the half-backs or half-forwards wanted to know about kickouts. I didn't see one run a la Tyrone. Even Dooher caught a kickout clean in the middle surrounded by Down men!
If they were dropping on the 45 and being picked up by advancing Tyrone men I would see your point. If there was a fault, it was as much, if not more, with the receiving men. Plenty of good ball that should have been won, but wasn't.
It's a two way street though. If you don't look to vary, then players don't look for it.
McVeigh has got a pretty accurate kickout on him. If just wasn't utilised today in any way. Maybe he (and his half back line) were under specific instructions to pump it long every time, but I'd expect experienced players to stop, hold back and re-assess if things aren't working.
When looking at they were up against a middle 8 including Dooher, McGuigan, Harte, Penrose and Jordan today, Down surely had better options than lumping the ball up into the land of Hub and Cavanagh every time.
I heard a Down supporter behind me today telling his mate that Casement was bigger than a rugby pitch and that the ref was "really old" but he couldn't remember his name..........
Quote from: orangeman on June 19, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
It will be sad day when we see Dooher, Mc Guigan and these lads leave the stage for good. Long may they reign.
Agree whole heartedly Orangeman and I am full of admiration but I think it will come sooner than most Tyrone supporters will admit.
There was a time when they provided the platform for Tyrone to dominate. I think it will increasingly be the other way round - a dominating Tyrone team will provide the platform for them to display some of their undoubted talents again, but only in glimpses. I think with the harder battles ahead they, in particular, will find it harder to bring their influence to bear. Which will not be good news for Tyrone. I wasn't impressed with Tyrone today.
BBC report - incredible stat in bold
Tyrone weathered an early Down onslaught to win by four points at Casement Park and reach their sixth Ulster Championship final in 10 years.
Mickey Harte's experienced side trailed eight points to four but then reeled off six points without reply to lead by two at half-time.
Down went 47 minutes without a score from play and were denied a goal when Pascal McConnell saved from Dan Hughes.
Monaghan play Fermanagh in the other semi-final at Breffni Park on 27 June.
Down will be disappointed to have fallen short again after their impressive start to the match.
Mark Poland, skipper Ambrose Rogers and Dan Gordon got early points with man-of-the-match Martin Penrose registering for the Red Hands.
Poland and Rogers scored again and Martin Clarke landed two frees in an impressive spell for the Mourne men.
Match photos: Tyrone v Down
Tyrone suffered an injury setback when star forward Stephen O'Neill limped off.
Skipper Brian Dooher from play and a Sean Cavanagh free added to Tyrone's score but a Daniel Hughes score from play had Down eight point to four up.
Tyrone then took over and got six points in 10 minutes through Penrose (2), Joe McMahon, Cavanagh (2) and Dermot Carlin.
Down needed a good start to the second half but their firepower failed them.
Penrose got another couple of points for the holders with Colm Cavanagh and Owen Mulligan also chipping in.
Down got a free from Paul McComiskey and, when Clarke scored in the 65th minute, it was their first score from play since the 18th.
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Tyrone: P McConnell, M Swift, Justin McMahon, D Carlin, P Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan, C Cavanagh, K Hughes, B Dooher, S Cavanagh, Joe McMahon, M Penrose, S O'Neill, O Mulligan.
Down: B McVeigh, D Rooney, B McArdle, D Rafferty, K McKernan, J Colgan, C Garvey, A Rogers, K King, D Hughes, M Poland, B Coulter, C Maginn, D Gordon, M Clarke.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 19, 2010, 10:23:17 PM
Some good but a lot of bad for Down today.
The full-back line was the real positive. Rafferty had his best Championship outing yet and probably still has blond hairs in his pocket. McArdle showed a bit of class and a bit of intelligence that has been so often lacking in our converted full-backs of recent years. Rooney had a decent game.
Beyond them, only Maginn threw in good solid hour.
The whole lot were excellent for those first 15 minutes, but there was a serious lack of character thereafter. King and Rogers blew up badly. Gordon was off the pace and ponderous. Clarke was miles off it, and for the first time watching him, he appeared confused by his role, and too frantic to force play when he did get involved. Ditto Coulter, except we've seen it before. Colgan disappeared. McKernan was shocking and Garvey had too much edge.
For me, McVeigh had an absolute stinker with his kickouts. It was so reminiscent of his predecessor and namesake (a keeper who I had so much time for) in that his answer to getting cleaned out by kicking the ball up the middle was to try kicking it longer up the middle. We had a height advantage in most areas of the field, had an athletic team, and were calling out for variation. I imagine though the statistics in the Irish News on Monday about our kickout retention will be horrifiic.
I did kind of feel sorry for our forwards in the second half. Midfield was destroyed which meant we never put back-to-back possession together, and when we did it almost invariably ended with a hoke rather than a pass. Maybe they weren't running the right lines, but I don't think so - instead I think it was a case of the midfield and half-backs trying to play Hollywood football.
Which, given the ease at which we opened Tyrone up in the first quarter with simple fist passes and short kickpasses, it is quite staggering that we reverted to this sort of game.
Management aren't getting off with the blame. Pete Fitzpatrick is not a better answer than King with first phase possession, and that's where the game was lost. Jason Brown simply had no entitlement to come onto the field ahead of fellas who worked their bollocks off through the league campaign - especially when we were crying out for full-forward ball-winners. And quite why they allowed McVeigh to continually kick long, and their attacking ploy to consist of booting the ball in aimlessly, is beyond me. Lastly, the constant roundabout going on between the forward line (plus Gordon) was bizarre. It's one thing to keep the opposition, but it's another when your players don't know if, why, how long and when they'll be in a certain position.
As for Tyrone, congratulations on another victory where experience, intelligence and no small amount of graft where the determining factors.
Packie McConnell was outstanding today, both for his saves and his kickouts. Justin Mc once again proved that full-back isn't that difficult if you're a natural. Peter Harte showed energy and commonsense throughout. Hub and Cavanagh both gave up playing football and just did the dirty work required, and then some. Penrose was outstanding, and never put a foot wrong. Dooher was given largely a free role, and he punished Down for it. Cavanagh, as usual, did enough for most other players to win a man of the match award. Special praise though for Brian McGuigan. Before he arrived, Tyrone were aimless and unsure. Almost by virtue of his presence, they seemed to all understand their roles again. They were no longer hurried, but precise. And credit to Micky Harte too. When O'Neill went off, he made the big switch, and didn't f**k around with it.
So much wrong with this analysis it's impossible to know where to start.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4715028995_658bf6ccaa_b.jpg)
Job done.
Thanks BBC :-*
would agree with most of what has been written here . very good first half and very poor second half. Was watching down closely and think they are not sure whether to play or become more 'modern by packing their defence. My own opinion is that they are poor defensively so they would be better to focus on all out attack. they didnt commit enough bodies forward in the second half to do any damage. would not be too harsh on them, there is room for improvement. Great to see Mcguigan back in form, conducted the orchestra in the 2nd half.
There is a bit of a science to winning breaking ball, yet for all the coaches with their drills, they don't seem to teach it.
90% of contested broken ball will go straight back to where it came from or run straight through behind.
If you get two players to time their runs to be 5 yards directly infront and 5 yards directly behind the aerial contest when the ball hits the ground, and you'll win most of the broken ball.
Try to watch out for it in the next game you view.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 07:10:50 PM
How did Martin Clarke do?
The suggestion that somebody made that he was going to show up old man Conor Gormley (who is 29) was certainly off the mark ;D.
Good win for Tyrone although still plenty to work on. The way they turned it around in the first half after a poor start bodes well and they were comfortable enough in the second half. Ideally should have got more scores after the break given the amount of possesion, 0-4 was a poor return really.
Great to see McGuigan coming on and playing so well and perhaps he can still play that role for 70 minutes. Really improved the Tyrone performace. Penrose was excellent but a few wayward kick passes at times. We'll need more from Mugsy and especially if SON is going to be out. Job done but will need further improvement the next day. Not sure many would pay in to watch Benny on that display :P
Any word on stevie?
Never made it to the match today, but it was strange to see a team try to defend a deficit like Down did in the second half!
QuoteIf you get two players to time their runs to be 5 yards directly infront and 5 yards directly behind the aerial contest when the ball hits the ground, and you'll win most of the broken ball.
and if it's broken long or sideways, or is clean caught, your two tenacious game readers miss the first phase of defence.
If only football really was this simple.
Quote from: ONeill on June 19, 2010, 11:38:51 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 19, 2010, 10:23:17 PM
Some good but a lot of bad for Down today.
The full-back line was the real positive. Rafferty had his best Championship outing yet and probably still has blond hairs in his pocket. McArdle showed a bit of class and a bit of intelligence that has been so often lacking in our converted full-backs of recent years. Rooney had a decent game.
Beyond them, only Maginn threw in good solid hour.
The whole lot were excellent for those first 15 minutes, but there was a serious lack of character thereafter. King and Rogers blew up badly. Gordon was off the pace and ponderous. Clarke was miles off it, and for the first time watching him, he appeared confused by his role, and too frantic to force play when he did get involved. Ditto Coulter, except we've seen it before. Colgan disappeared. McKernan was shocking and Garvey had too much edge.
For me, McVeigh had an absolute stinker with his kickouts. It was so reminiscent of his predecessor and namesake (a keeper who I had so much time for) in that his answer to getting cleaned out by kicking the ball up the middle was to try kicking it longer up the middle. We had a height advantage in most areas of the field, had an athletic team, and were calling out for variation. I imagine though the statistics in the Irish News on Monday about our kickout retention will be horrifiic.
I did kind of feel sorry for our forwards in the second half. Midfield was destroyed which meant we never put back-to-back possession together, and when we did it almost invariably ended with a hoke rather than a pass. Maybe they weren't running the right lines, but I don't think so - instead I think it was a case of the midfield and half-backs trying to play Hollywood football.
Which, given the ease at which we opened Tyrone up in the first quarter with simple fist passes and short kickpasses, it is quite staggering that we reverted to this sort of game. Management aren't getting off with the blame. Pete Fitzpatrick is not a better answer than King with first phase possession, and that's where the game was lost. Jason Brown simply had no entitlement to come onto the field ahead of fellas who worked their bollocks off through the league campaign - especially when we were crying out for full-forward ball-winners. And quite why they allowed McVeigh to continually kick long, and their attacking ploy to consist of booting the ball in aimlessly, is beyond me. Lastly, the constant roundabout going on between the forward line (plus Gordon) was bizarre. It's one thing to keep the opposition, but it's another when your players don't know if, why, how long and when they'll be in a certain position.
As for Tyrone, congratulations on another victory where experience, intelligence and no small amount of graft where the determining factors.
Packie McConnell was outstanding today, both for his saves and his kickouts. Justin Mc once again proved that full-back isn't that difficult if you're a natural. Peter Harte showed energy and commonsense throughout. Hub and Cavanagh both gave up playing football and just did the dirty work required, and then some. Penrose was outstanding, and never put a foot wrong. Dooher was
given largely a free role, and he punished Down for it. Cavanagh, as usual, did enough for most other players to win a man of the match award. Special praise though for Brian McGuigan. Before he arrived, Tyrone were aimless and unsure. Almost by virtue of his presence, they seemed to all understand their roles again. They were no longer hurried, but precise. And credit to Micky Harte too. When O'Neill went off, he made the big switch, and didn't f**k around with it.
So much wrong with this analysis it's impossible to know where to start.
Give it a rattle anyway ONeill
Despite a woeful 2nd half, I think there are still a lot of positives from a Down point of view. Worringly though our fitness and sharpness in the 2nd half wilted. This is something that can be easily remedied.
A lot of interchanging of our forward positions happened today during the game. At times some of our boys looked to be confused as to where they should playing. Our attacking unit hasn't played enough football together yet to just naturally interchange and be comfortable with multiple roles and positions.
I thought McVeigh was generally sound in goals but his persistence in kicking the ball straight down the middle of the pitch in the 2nd half despite us being cleaned out around the middle was worrying. There were plenty of alternatives.
Clarke just didn't click today. There is no doubt he will soon deliver a big performance but his re-settlement may take longer than expected.
I felt our two best players were Dee Rafferty and Conor Maginn. Both were understated but carried their roles out to a tee. A lack of match fitness was evident at times with Dan and Ambrose. Colgan was all at sea at Number 6 while McKernan and Garvey busted themselves but struggled in general. McArdle stuck admirably to a difficult task for the duration.
A look at our bench shows that we are still lightyears behind the top sides in terms of squad depth. Tyrone had an embarassment of riches in this sector.
We are good enough to get to an All Ireland quarter final.
The difference today was between the Loughshore and Ballygawley.While it is hard on the eye, Harte has the composure to smother threats better than anyone.He also has to take responsibility for developing cynical tackling (different men targeting, falling on players after you foul them, holding up play when the opposition have frees, putting hands up pleading innocence) which has now spread to children, as seen in the minor game. Three All-Irelands is a great legacy but Mickey do you really want your grandchildren arguing over whose turn it is to take the opposition dangerman out ?
We were beat by a better team, and all the analysis in the world wont change that. Poor performances from our stars, but encouraging gutsy performances from some of our developing stars. Why oh why do we persist in playing a one man FF line especially when we are chasing the game
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 20, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
The difference today was between the Loughshore and Ballygawley.While it is hard on the eye, Harte has the composure to smother threats better than anyone.He also has to take responsibility for developing cynical tackling (different men targeting, falling on players after you foul them, holding up play when the opposition have frees, putting hands up pleading innocence) which has now spread to children, as seen in the minor game. Three All-Irelands is a great legacy but Mickey do you really want your grandchildren arguing over whose turn it is to take the opposition dangerman out ?
Who do you think took the Down dangermen out today? From what i seen at Casement, ye didnt have that many to be honest :-\
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 20, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
The difference today was between the Loughshore and Ballygawley.While it is hard on the eye, Harte has the composure to smother threats better than anyone.He also has to take responsibility for developing cynical tackling (different men targeting, falling on players after you foul them, holding up play when the opposition have frees, putting hands up pleading innocence) which has now spread to children, as seen in the minor game. Three All-Irelands is a great legacy but Mickey do you really want your grandchildren arguing over whose turn it is to take the opposition dangerman out ?
There are no buts - Mickey's place in history is assured no matter what and no matter how many buts you place after his name.
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 20, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
The difference today was between the Loughshore and Ballygawley.While it is hard on the eye, Harte has the composure to smother threats better than anyone.He also has to take responsibility for developing cynical tackling (different men targeting, falling on players after you foul them, holding up play when the opposition have frees, putting hands up pleading innocence) which has now spread to children, as seen in the minor game. Three All-Irelands is a great legacy but Mickey do you really want your grandchildren arguing over whose turn it is to take the opposition dangerman out ?
That seems quite laughable - how many down players were on yellow cards?
Who won the minor game?
Tyrone by a goal.
Quote from: Minder on June 20, 2010, 12:16:16 AM
Give it a rattle anyway ONeill
Yea, can't remember this morning but on reflection he's 100% on the nose.
2 tactical adjustments changed the face of the game, one forced.
Using young Harte as a sweeper in the first half was the reason Down got off to the start they did. It was a big ask of a 19-year old and it failed, almost spectacularly. Tyrone defenders were running into each other, unable to lay a glove on the likes of Hughes, Maginn, Coulter, Clarke etc. I don't think Tyrone forced one turnover in those opening 15 mins. Harte was lost and creating confusion. It was when he was moved out of there into the HF line that the gulf in class was obvious. The McMahons began to lord it in the extra space. For me, although Joe did some job on 2-3 Down players at different times, Justin was MOTM.
O'Neill's injury worked out well for Tyrone. It took Cavanagh out of that conjestion as well and he won some ball he had no right to in the FF line. Mugsy wasn't in the game at all and had one of those days when his positioning was off kilter although credit to Rafferty. I wouldn't be as gushing about Penrose as others are. Mixed bag from him and wasted some good ball in the first half. He saw a lot of breaking ball in the second half when Down stood back and allowed Tyrone to basketball the game for as long as they wanted to, and used some of it well. His best moment though was that last point - his real strength is skinning corner backs.
Down were terrible. Clueless. Expected much more from McCartan, Tally and McIvor. Can McCartan only send his teams out to play the one way? You'd have thought it was Down defending a three-point lead. That was possibly the most comfortable second halfs Tyrone have played in recent years. Gordon, Coulter and Clarke didn't seem to have a notion of what their roles were. Gordon was remarkably easy to handle. Instead of bombing as a unit up field as they were in the first 20, they worked it to midfield and launched pitiful balls to either 2-3 spare Tyrone players or hopelessly aimed efforts on top of Gordon and even McComiskey. Then Down would retreat as a unit, allowing Tyrone to play 40 passes until Cavanagh got a bit of room. It really was clueless, brainless football against a Tyrone side there for the taking. Clarke seems seriously weighed down by expectation although it's too early to make a judgement on his potential. His freetaking with the wind was crap. Benny and Clarke seemed to want to take Tyrone on by themselves to the extent that Coulter once played a ridiculous ball from one wing to Clarke on the other and over the sideline when he had 2-3 other forwards running off him.
As for Tyrone, they might well be the best of a weakening province. I thought Carlin played one of his best games in a while as an attacking CB although he has little else to do after 25 mins. Swift was quietly solid after that opening 20, as were Gormley and Philly. The MF were non existent for the majority of the first half but both had their moments in the second. I'd like to have seen Harte on the ball more. He was pulled down on the edge of the box in the first half as he was about to pull the trigger and you got the impression he could torture the Down FB line. Still, a good performance from someone who'll hopefully start again.
Is O'Neill made of glass? And what can you say about Dooher that already hasn't been said? Some boy.
Overall, job done and plenty more to do. Down were crap.
Some good analysis there O'Neill. Pretty much spot on.
Harte was away when he was pulled down just outside the box. Don't think there was even a yellow shown. Sort of sends the wrong message to defenders if you ask me.
...I'm in danger of echoing Heaney's praise of Sludden in the game two weeks ago, so i'll say no more.
Yeah very impressive ONeill, a few pundits could do with your balance and insight... as regards reading the game, Tony Donnelly is very good too even tho he's rarely heard - Mickey's no 2 explains here how Tyrone turned the game round - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cJbLxwP2k8//
On a side note, did anyone watch the game on BBC? Who the feck was directing the camera's for that game? It was criminal the amount of times they missed midfield contests and free kicks by repeatedly showing the previous point/wide/foul or simply a Tyrone/Down sub sitting on the bench. It really was terrible and so frustrating.
They mustve been sharing cameras and editing with RTE as they also had some dreadful production going on. The 2nd half was littered with unnecessarily prolonged crowd shots and managerial shots.
Quote from: Puckoon on June 20, 2010, 12:57:30 AM
Quote from: Dubh driocht on June 20, 2010, 12:44:00 AM
The difference today was between the Loughshore and Ballygawley.While it is hard on the eye, Harte has the composure to smother threats better than anyone.He also has to take responsibility for developing cynical tackling (different men targeting, falling on players after you foul them, holding up play when the opposition have frees, putting hands up pleading innocence) which has now spread to children, as seen in the minor game. Three All-Irelands is a great legacy but Mickey do you really want your grandchildren arguing over whose turn it is to take the opposition dangerman out ?
That seems quite laughable - how many down players were on yellow cards?
Yes what he said has a rather blinkered view of proceedings, however I did note that much of the Tyrone tackling, (more so) in the first half was low quality, but for the most part the ref generally got it right and penalised the tackle. Quite often I was surprised at the absence of even the attempt to tackle legally.
I'd agree with O'Neill that Down were a total shambles in the second half, how such a team were just a goal behind all through the 2nd half was astonishing and certainly not due to the point scoring prowess of a shambolic Down team.
Super sub Dooher ??? ??? Oops.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dooher-comes-off-bench-to-spark-red-hand-revival-2228170.html
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2010, 10:45:06 AM
They mustve been sharing cameras and editing with RTE as they also had some dreadful production going on. The 2nd half was littered with unnecessarily prolonged crowd shots and managerial shots.
The worst camera directing of a game in years. Why did they repeatedly show the peg on the ground after the goalkeeper had kicked the ball out. Also, for a second half that wasn't played exactly at supersonic speed, some cameramen seem to have difficulty at times keeping up with the ball.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 20, 2010, 11:08:27 AM
Super sub Dooher ??? ??? Oops.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dooher-comes-off-bench-to-spark-red-hand-revival-2228170.html
QuoteDooher comes off bench to spark Red Hand revival
Maybe they meant the bench for the photo... ::) Jesus that is some gaff and to put it in the headline. Is it in the print edition?
Dooher's some player though, scoring twice before he even came on!
Quote from: Out in Front on June 20, 2010, 11:18:32 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2010, 10:45:06 AM
They mustve been sharing cameras and editing with RTE as they also had some dreadful production going on. The 2nd half was littered with unnecessarily prolonged crowd shots and managerial shots.
The worst camera directing of a game in years. Why did they repeatedly show the peg on the ground after the goalkeeper had kicked the ball out. Also, for a second half that wasn't played exactly at supersonic speed, some cameramen seem to have difficulty at times keeping up with the ball.
Jesus did you see the Cavan v Fermanagh game on the BBC, now that was BRUTAL. Yesterday was actually an improvement on that shambles.
There's usually only the one set of cameras at the Ulster c'ship games, so i'd imagine RTE had the one feed.
Joe McMahon must be one of the most under-rated players about at the minute. His importance to the Tyrone team is as big as the likes of Cavanagh, Dooher, O'Neill etc. Joe would play anywhere he is asked and is the complete team player. His point yesterday also shows that he is a top quality player. I wasn't that impressed with him when he first broke into the team in 2005, but since 2008 onwards he is a very important player in the Tyrone team.
Also, Brian McGuigan showed he still has it in the game yesterday. No substitute for class. He makes things look so so easy. I doubted if he had a full 70 minutes in him, but yesterday showed when he was put on early due to O'Neill's injury he showed he could last the game in that heat.
What is up with the papers today? The Irish Times report on the game is littered with errors too. With Rodgers score keeping Tyrone in touch, Joe Colgan playing for Down and Benny Coulter blasting a late goal chance wide. Lazy journalism.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/gaa/2010/0619/1224272913987.html
Down were rubbish yeterday and Tyrone werent much better.end off.
The only chance of Down reaching a QF is if we meet even worse teams than us.Wee james was clueless yesterday. Did McCartan do an interview after the game.
We will learn some painfull lessons in Div 1 next year.
Gutted after a round trip from Dublin yesterday.
Mc Cartan was interviewed by BBC afterwards. Basically said that the spark Down played with for first 20 mins completely disappeared for rest of the game and that the team where continually sucked back out the field leaving them hopelessly short of options up front and this wasn't what they worked on in the lead up to the game. Overall seemed quite pissed off, understandable.
Quote from: charlieTully on June 06, 2010, 06:45:35 PM
what about hanratty giving McKeever the slip to set up the goal, quality, how i laughed. i am going to have to get this grin surgically removed.
Tyrone removed your grin yesterday, free of charge :)
Interesting game yesterday, great first half but dissappointing enough second.
A lot of talk after the game as ever about tactics, gameplan etc etc. You can put in place all the tactics and fancy game plans you like but ultimately the teams performance is wholly dependent on the quality of the players at your disposal and their ability to adapt as a game progresses.
Tyrone are blessed with so many quality footballers with the temperament to match - McMahon's, Gormley and Dooher for example. None more so than Brian McGuigan. Many on this board questioned if Brian had anything more to contribute to Tyrone I think he answered that yesterday. If this is his last year in a Tyrone jersey I would advise everyone to savour it because players of his calibre don't come round too often.
Carlin played very well yesterday and has been in great form for Tyrone all year. Penrose is blossoming very nicely as well.
Quote from: loughshore lad on June 20, 2010, 06:57:10 PM
Interesting game yesterday, great first half but dissappointing enough second.
A lot of talk after the game as ever about tactics, gameplan etc etc. You can put in place all the tactics and fancy game plans you like but ultimately the teams performance is wholly dependent on the quality of the players at your disposal and their ability to adapt as a game progresses.
Tyrone are blessed with so many quality footballers with the temperament to match - McMahon's, Gormley and Dooher for example. None more so than Brian McGuigan. Many on this board questioned if Brian had anything more to contribute to Tyrone I think he answered that yesterday. If this is his last year in a Tyrone jersey I would advise everyone to savour it because players of his calibre don't come round too often.
Carlin played very well yesterday and has been in great form for Tyrone all year. Penrose is blossoming very nicely as well.
I know there has been talk of this being McGuigans last year but hopefully not. He showed yesterday he still has a lot to offer to Tyrone and if fully fit has a few good years left in him. Its hard to know how far Tyrone can go. If Monaghan beat Fermanagh it will be by far the toughest test so far in the final. Still think Tyrone will be hard to beat this year and would love a rematch with Cork at some point.
I fall into the category who thought McGuigan was only good for a 25 min cameo. I was asked by some clown before the game if I thought McGuigan would ever start again for Tyrone. I replied definitely not. Clown.
QuoteI was asked by some clown before the game if I thought McGuigan would ever start again for Tyrone. I replied definitely not. Clown.
I bet he was left red nosed!
The 2 McMahons are the best thing to have happened to Tyrone this last few years
Like the McENtees, they add strength and style to the team
Quote from: sandwiches_in_the_boot on June 19, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 19, 2010, 07:10:50 PM
How did Martin Clarke do?
Failed to impress... again. All the ability, just lacks the temperament. Can't cope when up against quality opposition. Can't do it on the big stage. He'd be sitting on the bench with Coney if he was from Tyrone.
wipe that brown stuff of your chin,he was involved in most of downs good moves in first half. fair enough missed a lot of frees some easy,but would still walk on to any county team.class will tell. seems to be favoured topic on this site "lets slag of marty clarke".
On what basis would he walk onto any county team? He may well turn into a great player but he has yet to prove himself at senior football.
The press latch on to people like Clarke and blow them out of all proportion before their careers at senior inter county have barely started. They done the same with Kyle Coney with Tyrone. It is unfair.
Quote from: Seany on June 20, 2010, 09:09:27 PM
The 2 McMahons are the best thing to have happened to Tyrone this last few years
Like the McENtees, they add strength and style to the team
They have become the back bone of the team
Any word on SON?
I'm worried, Pat Spillane couldn't have been more effusive in his genuine praise for Tyrone (on TSG); I thought at one point he would run out of superlatives. Scary shit ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2010, 11:40:05 PM
I'm worried, Pat Spillane couldn't have been more effusive in his genuine praise for Tyrone (on TSG); I thought at one point he would run out of superlatives. Scary shit ;)
AH come on are ye ever happy ? What could he say after last night ?
Quote from: johnpower on June 20, 2010, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2010, 11:40:05 PM
I'm worried, Pat Spillane couldn't have been more effusive in his genuine praise for Tyrone (on TSG); I thought at one point he would run out of superlatives. Scary shit ;)
AH come on are ye ever happy ? What could he say after last night ?
I'll get used to it John. What rattled me was how his thoughts on the game tallied exactly with my own, wouldn't say I was unhappy about it though! ;)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2010, 11:40:05 PM
I'm worried, Pat Spillane couldn't have been more effusive in his genuine praise for Tyrone (on TSG); I thought at one point he would run out of superlatives. Scary shit ;)
This time last year he was telling us Kerry were shyte.
He's a cute hoor
Quote from: Zapatista on June 20, 2010, 11:48:17 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 20, 2010, 11:40:05 PM
I'm worried, Pat Spillane couldn't have been more effusive in his genuine praise for Tyrone (on TSG); I thought at one point he would run out of superlatives. Scary shit ;)
This time last year he was telling us Kerry were shyte.
He's a cute hoor
He was genuine in his praise but was the praise genuine?
So many unanswered questions.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2010, 12:11:21 AM
and if it's broken long or sideways, or is clean caught, your two tenacious game readers miss the first phase of defence.
So you wanna pass up the majority of break ball for a few possible cases?
Quote from: thewobbler on June 20, 2010, 12:11:21 AM
If only football really was this simple.
It is that simple. Experts try to complicate it to justify themselves, but at its core its a pretty simple game.
Danny Ball, Tony Donnelly, Pascal's saves, minor drama and 'fun in the sun' - short videos from Casement are here on the Ulster website - http://ulster.gaa.ie///
Was an interesting match and looked a scorcher day on the telly
I must say I was worried watching the 1st 20 mins as I thought we looked overrun and not showing any signs of recovery. When Stevie went off I thought the worst and was a bit edgy with the Donegal & Dublin supporters in the inlaw's house who are definite ABT's at this stage until we meet Kerry of course.
Down obviously decided to put a LOT of energy into not letting us get off to a good start and to attack at us is the best way to be beat us. Their midfield looked completely on top with Hub & Colm struggling for the 1st 20 mins.
Still, we showed composure and as a lot of people say now Tyrone don't do panic
We pegged it back slowly and surely with our best player off the field and Mugsy not seeing much action either. I think that's the main difference between us and other teams is when some players don't perform others can step up and take the lead.
I think Sean looked happier in at FF which is a big turnaround or was that just my opinion.
I for one was glad to see Dooher play well though he did get maybe carried away with shooting from difficult positions too much.
Delighted also with young Carlin. He has become a terrier like defender and doesn't do so much headless chicken runs and passes. Still can't decide on Swift. I don't think he's as good as McCarron or PJ was in 2008.
All in all I was happy with the result and feel we're coming along nicely
Far from good enough to beat Cork at last year's level but its only June
Worried about our slow start to both halves & our lack of killer instinct now in two matches
Wee James said he felt Tyrone were only toying with them near the end but the fact remains that had Packie not made that excellent save we could have had a very nerve wrecking ending.
It's been 7 years since we pushed on and give a team a total no holes barred performance since Fermanagh in 2003 1/4 final. Maybe that's cos we're older, wiser, more experienced & don't want to reveal too much or peak too soon. Whatever the reason I hope it doesn't lead to us getting caught out in the Ulster final or further down the line.
Was delighted for Snout as well to get a good run out. He proved a lot of us wrong and its just a pity he didn't get that point to help his shooting confidence. I for one would be glad to see him start the next day at 11 with Big Sean in at 14 if Stevie is out?
Any word on that heel injury?
None from my end as yet.
QuoteAny word on that heel injury?
None from my end as yet.
You must have a very talented end Fuzzman!
Quote from: hardstation on June 20, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
Mickey Morrisey referred to Dermot Carlin as Martin Carlin and Donal Carlin in a 20 second period.
Marty Morrisey?
See how easy it is to get somebody's name wrong.
Quote from: Fear Boirche on June 21, 2010, 12:40:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 20, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
Mickey Morrisey referred to Dermot Carlin as Martin Carlin and Donal Carlin in a 20 second period.
Marty Morrisey?
See how easy it is to get somebody's name wrong.
Dead right Ban Boirche
Quote from: Fear Boirche on June 21, 2010, 12:40:40 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 20, 2010, 11:36:23 PM
Mickey Morrisey referred to Dermot Carlin as Martin Carlin and Donal Carlin in a 20 second period.
Marty Morrisey?
See how easy it is to get somebody's name wrong.
Er, think that was hs making a joke.
Fuzz how can you forget 2007 when Brian Dooher scored 5 from play against Donegal to set up a final against Monaghan?! Then look what happened us later...
Definately thought Sean had more of an impact up front, when the ball was lashed up to him he generally always came off better than his marker and caught it. Dermot Carlin - probably my man of the match.
Some rare player ratings in the Irish News. I think they gave Justin McMahon and Sean Cavanagh the lowest ratings on the Tyrone side, along with a couple of others.
Couldn't go by the Irish News.
In the Down vs Donegal game, they gave a Down player who was on for about 5 minutes a rating of 8. Usually in that scenario they come out with the phrase "Not on long enough to rate".
Catch The High Ball, the only Down sub to get a rating of 8 in the IN after the Donegal game was Conor Maginn. He came on in the 47th minute, and was therefore involved for 23 minutes of normal time, plus injury time, plus 20 minutes of extra time, making a total of just under 50 minutes. If you think he was on for `about five minutes', you need a new stopwatch.
Another game where Colm McCullagh keeps the bench warm. What has happened there? He was a very important player in 2008, has he went off the boil or a fallout?
Quote from: EC Unique on June 21, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Another game where Colm McCullagh keeps the bench warm. What has happened there? He was a very important player in 2008, has he went off the boil or a fallout?
He came on in added time.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 21, 2010, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 21, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Another game where Colm McCullagh keeps the bench warm. What has happened there? He was a very important player in 2008, has he went off the boil or a fallout?
He came on in added time.
Sorry Zap I must have missed that. He can't be happy with that. I rate him very highly as a 'play maker'.
Quote from: Zapatista on June 21, 2010, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: EC Unique on June 21, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
Another game where Colm McCullagh keeps the bench warm. What has happened there? He was a very important player in 2008, has he went off the boil or a fallout?
He came on in added time.
The final whistle blew straight after he came on. He's back to a squad-man from the key role in 2008 but he should get a good run-out if the run keeps going.
P.S. Thought the P.A. system in Casement was dreadful on the Terrace side. Had no idea from start-to-finish what yer man was saying cause couldn't hear him. Thousands of others also totally in the dark re subs/minutes silence/minutes extra etc
Not to mention the dull, reflective scoreboard. Technology my hole, at least you can read painted numbers on slates.
Who would people start McCullagh ahead off? He's a good player and was worth his place in 08 but not sure if I'd start him now especially if McGuigan is back on form.
Can't say I'd disagree with that, he was the main
man in getting us as far as we got last year imo
Quote from: hardstation on June 21, 2010, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 21, 2010, 11:29:40 PM
Who would people start McCullagh ahead off? He's a good player and was worth his place in 08 but not sure if I'd start him now especially if McGuigan is back on form.
Mulligan?
Don't know a bout that I thought he was great against us. Mc Cullough is some man to bring on of the bench. Imagine some tired defender having to face him he's like a live wire. Subs in todays game are wild important and Tyrone need him hes got what it takes.
Mulligan was very poor against antrim. He got a great goal alright but he dropped near every ball that went near him asdie from that.
The two tyrone boys beside me spent the whole game chastising him... (and Colm Kavanagh and Davy Harte mind)
Would you play McCullagh corner forward though? He's one I definitely think Mickey Harte doesn't at times give a completely fair crack of the whip too.
What's the story with Mulgrew? Is he just not cutting it?
QuoteThought the P.A. system in Casement was dreadful on the Terrace side. Had no idea from start-to-finish what yer man was saying cause couldn't hear him. Thousands of others also totally in the dark re subs/minutes silence/minutes extra etc
Have to agree with that. At the Armagh v Monaghan game I hadn't a clue what was being said. Loudspeaker technology should be perfectly manageable in this day and age.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 22, 2010, 11:39:05 AM
QuoteThought the P.A. system in Casement was dreadful on the Terrace side. Had no idea from start-to-finish what yer man was saying cause couldn't hear him. Thousands of others also totally in the dark re subs/minutes silence/minutes extra etc
Have to agree with that. At the Armagh v Monaghan game I hadn't a clue what was being said. Loudspeaker technology should be perfectly manageable in this day and age.
Its the Frankie 'waah waah' accent, it doesn't travel well over a speaker system.
Quote from: hardstation on June 06, 2010, 08:57:06 PM
Clones is a cnut of a place and see the wankheads who let their field out for car parking, wouldn't mind having a look at their accounts. Clones is packed to the balls with scheming b**tards and the GAA only have matches there to keep scheming b**tards scheming (themselves included).
On the approaches to Casement on Saturday evening, every available space / yard / hole was being offered as parking to match goers by locals at £10 stg ! (€12 presumably) . Greedy scheming Frankie bastards!
Anyone else notice the diminutive man in the St. Gall's top in the PD before the game.
He was the one carrying an axe with a label stating "Casement Social Club £9.99".
Strange.
Was loading up our club notes there and just read that DOoher got MOTM on the Saturday game from Tohill who described him as a machine
I'll BE BACK!!!
I heard Stevie's heel mightn't be too bad but nothing confirmed as yet.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 21, 2010, 11:59:17 AM
Was an interesting match and looked a scorcher day on the telly
I must say I was worried watching the 1st 20 mins as I thought we looked overrun and not showing any signs of recovery. When Stevie went off I thought the worst and was a bit edgy with the Donegal & Dublin supporters in the inlaw's house who are definite ABT's at this stage until we meet Kerry of course.
Down obviously decided to put a LOT of energy into not letting us get off to a good start and to attack at us is the best way to be beat us. Their midfield looked completely on top with Hub & Colm struggling for the 1st 20 mins.
Still, we showed composure and as a lot of people say now Tyrone don't do panic
We pegged it back slowly and surely with our best player off the field and Mugsy not seeing much action either. I think that's the main difference between us and other teams is when some players don't perform others can step up and take the lead.
I think Sean looked happier in at FF which is a big turnaround or was that just my opinion.
I for one was glad to see Dooher play well though he did get maybe carried away with shooting from difficult positions too much.
Delighted also with young Carlin. He has become a terrier like defender and doesn't do so much headless chicken runs and passes. Still can't decide on Swift. I don't think he's as good as McCarron or PJ was in 2008.
All in all I was happy with the result and feel we're coming along nicely
Far from good enough to beat Cork at last year's level but its only June
Worried about our slow start to both halves & our lack of killer instinct now in two matches
Wee James said he felt Tyrone were only toying with them near the end but the fact remains that had Packie not made that excellent save we could have had a very nerve wrecking ending.
It's been 7 years since we pushed on and give a team a total no holes barred performance since Fermanagh in 2003 1/4 final. Maybe that's cos we're older, wiser, more experienced & don't want to reveal too much or peak too soon. Whatever the reason I hope it doesn't lead to us getting caught out in the Ulster final or further down the line.
Was delighted for Snout as well to get a good run out. He proved a lot of us wrong and its just a pity he didn't get that point to help his shooting confidence. I for one would be glad to see him start the next day at 11 with Big Sean in at 14 if Stevie is out?
Any word on that heel injury?
None from my end as yet.
Hope so. But I watched the game again last night and we played well for only 10-15 minutes. As we saw in the league that is not enough to beat Division 1 teams. Down were there to be beat in the 2nd half, we got plenty of possession but made very hard work of converting scores. It OK saying we 'don't do panic' but there's a sense of urgency needed at times, hope we can find it.
I've watched bits and pieces of the game again and maybe I'm getting old and negative but we were far from convincing in the second half.
We really should be pushing on and I know we lost Stevie but Mugsy and Sean didn't do a wile lost in the 2nd half. If Penrose was to repeatly put in the performance Mugsy does nearly every game then he's be dropped for Tommy, McCullagh, Mellon etc.
I actually like having Mugsy on each game, as the Rolls Royce type of player who will stand out once in a while but for the size & skill he has he should be MUCH more influential on the game. I know its a team game and everyone has their role but I'd say its hard for others sitting on the bench wondering how much leeway Mugsy always gets.
I suppose he does always chip in with a few points if he doesn't get a goal
That's 1.02 he has this year so far isn't it
If he can sort out his silly fumbling and be a bit more direct then he would be a stand out player every game. How often do you see him catch a ball and turn and shoot immediately like big Sean or Stevie might do?
And if he could stay on his feet he might be better off... a bit of a Ronan Clarke about him these last couple of years
in going to ground easily for the strength he has :(
In fairness to him he's got that dummy down to a tee
Everytime he gets the ball, his first instinct is to throw a dummy and get himself some space
I noticed once on Sat Big Sean taking on his man & his man waiting for his shimmy and Sean still did it and got past him.
Quote from: Fuzzman on June 23, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
I've watched bits and pieces of the game again and maybe I'm getting old and negative but we were far from convincing in the second half.
We really should be pushing on and I know we lost Stevie but Mugsy and Sean didn't do a wile lost in the 2nd half. If Penrose was to repeatly put in the performance Mugsy does nearly every game then he's be dropped for Tommy, McCullagh, Mellon etc.
I actually like having Mugsy on each game, as the Rolls Royce type of player who will stand out once in a while but for the size & skill he has he should be MUCH more influential on the game. I know its a team game and everyone has their role but I'd say its hard for others sitting on the bench wondering how much leeway Mugsy always gets.
I suppose he does always chip in with a few points if he doesn't get a goal
That's 1.02 he has this year so far isn't it
If he can sort out his silly fumbling and be a bit more direct then he would be a stand out player every game. How often do you see him catch a ball and turn and shoot immediately like big Sean or Stevie might do?
Really hard to know what to make of Mugsy. As you say, he's the Rolls Royce now and again and those wee sparks of genius can make the difference. He's definitely not the player who tortured Dublin in the replay of '05 (Jaysus that's 5 years ago now) and can't really see him totting up 0-4/5 from play in a game anymore. I'd also agree if some of the lesser lights played the way Mugsy did at time they'd be looking at the curly finger. He can get turned over something shocking. But, there's just something about having him there. Tyrone scored 0-4 against the wind on Saturday and he got one of them, a classy effort. He killed off Antrim in the first round despite doing little else. He can win ball and can make defence-splitting passes. He's a thoroughbred.