Russophobia

[Angelo]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

[north_antrim_hound]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

I am searching for any substance to your reply and can't find one that is factual but some of it is actually disturbing. I think the alliance of the peswharga with the Assad regime is your masterpiece. I take info of the stats section of amnesty int. Not of some fake news websites for 12 year olds. Does your career know your on here typing before you took your meds. The Kurds have only made an uneasy pact due to pressure from turkey after they overcome ISIS. It's like saying Someone from south Armagh is allied to the British

[seafoid]

Russia is still suffering from Post World War 2 group trauma. It's not emotionally stable.
Putin plays the people lke a violin. He's also a mess.

[Angelo]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

I am searching for any substance to your reply and can't find one that is factual but some of it is actually disturbing. I think the alliance of the peswharga with the Assad regime is your masterpiece. I take info of the stats section of amnesty int. Not of some fake news websites for 12 year olds. Does your career know your on here typing before you took your meds. The Kurds have only made an uneasy pact due to pressure from turkey after they overcome ISIS. It's like saying Someone from south Armagh is allied to the British

Everything I have said is factual so to say you have searched and cannot find them is a blatant lie and a hint that you only want to deal in dishonesty here.

Training Syrian rebels https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

Kurds joining forces with Assad https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-turkey-invasion-isis.html

CIA training Bin Laden https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3340101

American support of Saddam https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

So please stop pedaling lies and ignorance.

[north_antrim_hound]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

I am searching for any substance to your reply and can't find one that is factual but some of it is actually disturbing. I think the alliance of the peswharga with the Assad regime is your masterpiece. I take info of the stats section of amnesty int. Not of some fake news websites for 12 year olds. Does your career know your on here typing before you took your meds. The Kurds have only made an uneasy pact due to pressure from turkey after they overcome ISIS. It's like saying Someone from south Armagh is allied to the British

Everything I have said is factual so to say you have searched and cannot find them is a blatant lie and a hint that you only want to deal in dishonesty here.

Training Syrian rebels https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

Kurds joining forces with Assad https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-turkey-invasion-isis.html

CIA training Bin Laden https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3340101

American support of Saddam https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

So please stop pedaling lies and ignorance.

Why don't you google civilian casualties through Russian bombing in Syria, after all is that not the narrative that prompted your idiotic response. Who trained who and when has nothing to do with my displeasure on Russia's input in Syria and the USA only involvement. Only an idiot like yourself would negate the subject on hand and introduce irrelevant misdemeanors to strengthen a weak standpoint. Just out of curiosity what age are you, anything below 8 and I'll give you some leeway for going completely of the narratives initially highlighted.

[Angelo]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

I am searching for any substance to your reply and can't find one that is factual but some of it is actually disturbing. I think the alliance of the peswharga with the Assad regime is your masterpiece. I take info of the stats section of amnesty int. Not of some fake news websites for 12 year olds. Does your career know your on here typing before you took your meds. The Kurds have only made an uneasy pact due to pressure from turkey after they overcome ISIS. It's like saying Someone from south Armagh is allied to the British

Everything I have said is factual so to say you have searched and cannot find them is a blatant lie and a hint that you only want to deal in dishonesty here.

Training Syrian rebels https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

Kurds joining forces with Assad https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-turkey-invasion-isis.html

CIA training Bin Laden https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3340101

American support of Saddam https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

So please stop pedaling lies and ignorance.

Why don't you google civilian casualties through Russian bombing in Syria, after all is that not the narrative that prompted your idiotic response. Who trained who and when has nothing to do with my displeasure on Russia's input in Syria and the USA only involvement. Only an idiot like yourself would negate the subject on hand and introduce irrelevant misdemeanors to strengthen a weak standpoint. Just out of curiosity what age are you, anything below 8 and I'll give you some leeway for going completely of the narratives initially highlighted.

This thread is about Russophobia and you're doing a good job of articulating your ignorant and unfounded anti-Russian racism.

I think you are not grasping at the usual how old are you comment as a defence when you're the one that shown up to be both ignorant of the facts and gullible to Western propaganda.

[north_antrim_hound]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

I am searching for any substance to your reply and can't find one that is factual but some of it is actually disturbing. I think the alliance of the peswharga with the Assad regime is your masterpiece. I take info of the stats section of amnesty int. Not of some fake news websites for 12 year olds. Does your career know your on here typing before you took your meds. The Kurds have only made an uneasy pact due to pressure from turkey after they overcome ISIS. It's like saying Someone from south Armagh is allied to the British

Everything I have said is factual so to say you have searched and cannot find them is a blatant lie and a hint that you only want to deal in dishonesty here.

Training Syrian rebels https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

Kurds joining forces with Assad https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-turkey-invasion-isis.html

CIA training Bin Laden https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3340101

American support of Saddam https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

So please stop pedaling lies and ignorance.

Why don't you google civilian casualties through Russian bombing in Syria, after all is that not the narrative that prompted your idiotic response. Who trained who and when has nothing to do with my displeasure on Russia's input in Syria and the USA only involvement. Only an idiot like yourself would negate the subject on hand and introduce irrelevant misdemeanors to strengthen a weak standpoint. Just out of curiosity what age are you, anything below 8 and I'll give you some leeway for going completely of the narratives initially highlighted.

This thread is about Russophobia and you're doing a good job of articulating your ignorant and unfounded anti-Russian racism.

I think you are not grasping at the usual how old are you comment as a defence when you're the one that shown up to be both ignorant of the facts and gullible to Western propaganda.

I think your as big a sociopath as Putin or Trump by deflecting on the subject on hand so I'll ask you like I would ask a small child. Do you think bombing of civilian housing and schools full of children is warranted by a country such as Russia. I don't expect a straight answer but just another counter point that evades the morality of the atrocity being discussed. I really think you need help in every sense of the word.

[tonto1888]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

It's not as easy as this. There are plenty of Kurds opposed to Assad.

Also worth looking at why they made a deal with Assad
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/syria-why-the-kurds-had-little-option-but-to-do-a-deal-with-bashar-al-assad-125333

[Milltown Row2]

Angelo was the information incorrect on the Amnesty international website? And if so can you send me links to disprove it. No deflection please or whataboutery 

[Angelo]

The  bombing of children and civilians in Aleppo and supporting the Assad regime finished me with Russia. To put it down to a proxy war where everyone is involved is ludicrous, the only intense bombing by USA there was against ISIS in the north helping the Kurds. Syria has demonstrated what a monster Putin really is.

Scary that people like you actually believe what you just typed.

Who are the Kurds aligned with now? Assad's Syrian govt.

Who armed and and trained Syrian rebels that went on to form ISIS? The USA.

But in all this you land at the utterly preposterous conclusion that it's Russia's fault.

Once again Russia were proven to have been on the right side in Syria. It was the US who armed, financed and trained Al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein and ISIS. It's the US who consistently swing their backing in behind the Saudis and Israelis.

Maybe open your eyes up and stop being as utterly naive and gullible as you are.

I am searching for any substance to your reply and can't find one that is factual but some of it is actually disturbing. I think the alliance of the peswharga with the Assad regime is your masterpiece. I take info of the stats section of amnesty int. Not of some fake news websites for 12 year olds. Does your career know your on here typing before you took your meds. The Kurds have only made an uneasy pact due to pressure from turkey after they overcome ISIS. It's like saying Someone from south Armagh is allied to the British

Everything I have said is factual so to say you have searched and cannot find them is a blatant lie and a hint that you only want to deal in dishonesty here.

Training Syrian rebels https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/world/middleeast/cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html

Kurds joining forces with Assad https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/syria-turkey-invasion-isis.html

CIA training Bin Laden https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3340101

American support of Saddam https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/26/exclusive-cia-files-prove-america-helped-saddam-as-he-gassed-iran/

So please stop pedaling lies and ignorance.

Why don't you google civilian casualties through Russian bombing in Syria, after all is that not the narrative that prompted your idiotic response. Who trained who and when has nothing to do with my displeasure on Russia's input in Syria and the USA only involvement. Only an idiot like yourself would negate the subject on hand and introduce irrelevant misdemeanors to strengthen a weak standpoint. Just out of curiosity what age are you, anything below 8 and I'll give you some leeway for going completely of the narratives initially highlighted.

This thread is about Russophobia and you're doing a good job of articulating your ignorant and unfounded anti-Russian racism.

I think you are not grasping at the usual how old are you comment as a defence when you're the one that shown up to be both ignorant of the facts and gullible to Western propaganda.

I think your as big a sociopath as Putin or Trump by deflecting on the subject on hand so I'll ask you like I would ask a small child. Do you think bombing of civilian housing and schools full of children is warranted by a country such as Russia. I don't expect a straight answer but just another counter point that evades the morality of the atrocity being discussed. I really think you need help in every sense of the word.

I think when it comes to the West, Russia have consistently been on the right side of conflicts. The West backed Israel are allow bomb hospitals and starve children in Palestine without any of the big Western nations taking sanctions. It's disgusting.

Russia far more moral backbone than the West and that's a fact.

[north_antrim_hound]

So your evading the question by highlighting things I agree with. I've never endorsed what's going on with the West and the oppression of the Palestinian people so why are you bringing that up, hold on I know why. Your one of those clowns who can do anything but answer a straight question so we'll leave it there.

[seafoid]

Russia's actions in Chechnya were barbaric. There are no good guys when it comes to power.

[Eamonnca1]

Good to see boundaries have been set. I think everyone would agree using nuclear weapons is crossing a line

Watched a programme on this recently actually, the point of the show wasn't actually so as the bombs were to finish off the Japanese but to stop the Russian advance that was coming to East Asia and stop another de facto set of satellites. I genuinely never had thought of that until then.

I wouldn't have thought that either. For me I was always thought it was done to save American lives. The invasions of the japanese islands one at time was costing them huge numbers of lives and dropping the atomic bombs was a way of ending the war quickly without risking more Americans

That's the official version that Americans are taught. The truth is Japan had been trying to surrender for months but the yanks kept rejecting every offer on whatever technicalities they could find. Truman just wanted to do a ruthless display of power like Tarkin at Alderaan.

The Americans also constructed a test site that closely modeled the construction of Japanese homes and used it to perfect their incendiary bombs so that they could start a firestorm. The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki got the world's attention, but the firebombing of Tokyo with conventional weapons killed far more civilians, and they were deliberately targeted.

[Look-Up!]

The nuking of Japan was never about winning the war, they had it long won and knew it. It was sending a message to Russia about division of the spoils. Both of them were in an arms race, there was a new world order coming, there had to be a top dog and both of them knew it. America cracked the bomb first, it's really that simple.

There can be no justification for what the Americans did with the bomb. Had Russia been the first to develop it the outcome would have been similar or worse, but certainly no better. They experimented on their own population with nuclear bomb testing FFS!!! Those Japanese civilians paid a terrible price and who knows what they bought with their lives. Maybe they bought all of our safety. Humans are competitive and have a terrible urge to destroy each other. Nuclear weapons are a huge deterrent to all out war. Without that deterrent who knows what we would have got up to for the last 70 odd years but it's pretty apparent to me that humans can be conditioned to do or believe anything with the correct propaganda.

As for Russophobia, exactly what kind of propaganda would you expect in the West? If you want anti-western propaganda to be main stream you need to move further East! Both sides engage in it equally, both sides are essentially Imperialist Superpowers.

Which country would I rather reside in? USA without question, much more stable country. Russia is probably pretty decent to live in ATM but it has a very chaotic history and memories of turmoil, hardship and bread queues are fresh in the memory. It's why someone like Putin is popular and why they fear a post Putin era. It's also why someone like Putin, probably wisely, is reluctant to lose power as I would say he has a long list of very dangerous enemies, all fellow countrymen. 

As for who is the less evil or morally superior? It would be infinitively preferable to be enemy of neither, and if you are, pray you're under the umbrella of the other.

[Angelo]

So your evading the question by highlighting things I agree with. I've never endorsed what's going on with the West and the oppression of the Palestinian people so why are you bringing that up, hold on I know why. Your one of those clowns who can do anything but answer a straight question so we'll leave it there.

When it comes down to it Russia has far more integrity and moral superiority than the US. It's a fact.