Things that make you go What the F**k?

Started by The Real Laoislad, November 19, 2007, 05:54:25 PM

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pintsofguinness

QuoteWell give me the Irish attitude any day of the week than work and success above everything.
Aye sure why doesn't stew forget about all he's worked for and his family to cover up for them.

Get a grip ffs.
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

ExiledGael

Quote from: Rav67 on November 20, 2007, 07:44:44 PM
Well give me the Irish attitude any day of the week than work and success above everything.  Feel very sorry for the girl as she just wanted to stay popular and not fall out with her friend over a nothing incident, and now she's been through hell and been all upset and is going to have to move away from friends and family to keep her job.  Over a short fondle which she didn't instigate.  To not have complete sympathy for her is heartless.

Ofcourse I have sympathy for her situation. But her decision to protect the fool, and therefore implicate Stew as a liar in front of the entire staff (who should not have been out together in the first place under the rules), left her position under Stew untenable.
He had to protect his position, especially given a video was doing the rounds and the entire office knew, some of whom who wanted action. Don't see how he had a choice. She did and took the wrong one.

The Christmas party argument is totally irrelevant. The company rules forbid staff socialising, whether that's fair or not matters not.

ludermor

Quote from: ExiledGael on November 20, 2007, 07:58:15 PM
Quote from: Rav67 on November 20, 2007, 07:44:44 PM
Well give me the Irish attitude any day of the week than work and success above everything.  Feel very sorry for the girl as she just wanted to stay popular and not fall out with her friend over a nothing incident, and now she's been through hell and been all upset and is going to have to move away from friends and family to keep her job.  Over a short fondle which she didn't instigate.  To not have complete sympathy for her is heartless.

Ofcourse I have sympathy for her situation. But her decision to protect the fool, and therefore implicate Stew as a liar in front of the entire staff (who should not have been out together in the first place under the rules), left her position under Stew untenable.
He had to protect his position, especially given a video was doing the rounds and the entire office knew, some of whom who wanted action. Don't see how he had a choice. She did and took the wrong one.

The Christmas party argument is totally irrelevant. The company rules forbid staff socialising, whether that's fair or not matters not.
So you are saying its Stew fault in the first place for letting them out,him being there?

Donagh

It's a very sad day for Irish liberty when we have people on here supporting a company who think they can legislate for what their employees do in their spare time. And what's all these references to "subordinates" about? Has our society become a military state without someone letting Donagh know? I'm pleased to report that in my place of work, everyone from the boss man to the Polish girls cleaning in the mornings are known as "colleagues".

pintsofguinness

Quote from: Donagh on November 20, 2007, 08:04:32 PM
It's a very sad day for Irish liberty when we have people on here supporting a company who think they can legislate for what their employees do in their spare time. And what's all these references to "subordinates" about? Has our society become a military state without someone letting Donagh know? I'm pleased to report that in my place of work, everyone from the boss man to the Polish girls cleaning in the mornings are known as "colleagues".
I imagine the rules are there so no one has to feel they've to put out to go up the ladder!
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

inisceithleann

Coming out of work today I saw a heavily pregnant girl from the office light up a cigarette whilst driving the car. What the f*ck is she playing at??
Life is a ticket to the greatest show on earth

ExiledGael

Letting them out?? Surely he can't stop that.
He was out for the night at this 'hooley' as he calls it and a crowd from work landed in. They chose to go where he was according to his posts, maybe he shouldn't have let them know however.
I can see your point, it just shows how impractical the company policy is. I'm not supporting the company by any means but they have that policy, and arguably for good reasons. Nevertheless it has to be adhered to or this stuff would be commonplace and accepted, as it is here.
The situation, and American company laws are different there whether we think it's a sad day for Irish liberty or not.

pintsofguinness

Quote from: inisceithleann on November 20, 2007, 08:10:03 PM
Coming out of work today I saw a heavily pregnant girl from the office light up a cigarette whilst driving the car. What the f*ck is she playing at??
a few months ago on the BBC morning news show they had pregant women on arguing that they could drink during pregancy and admiting they done so.
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

ExiledGael

That hateful **** Kerry Katona has openly admitted, after being caught, doing both (and probably worse) in recent weeks.
Can't stand the sight of her at all.

inisceithleann

Quote from: ExiledGael on November 20, 2007, 08:22:36 PM
That hateful **** Kerry Katona has openly admitted, after being caught, doing both (and probably worse) in recent weeks.
Can't stand the sight of her at all.

For fu*cks sake the mother only has is to give it up for 9 months. I know both things are addictive but jesus you have to give your child the best start in life. I nearly felt like confronting her about it. Somone should.
Life is a ticket to the greatest show on earth

ludermor

almost every time Katona opens her mouth i go What the F**k!

Hardy

Donagh, you're making me feel very uncomfortable here  ;D but I have to agree with you.  Though I don't quite get the connection with Irish liberty.

As I said earlier, I don't see how it can be considered the boss's business if one employee "fondles" another outside of work hours and the "fondle-ee" doesn't have a problem with it – even if it is in public. I can see a tenuous connection if it's at a work-related function, but if it's a few people meeting up in a public place, who happen to know each other through work, I can't see it.

I originally understood this as a case of Stew doing the decent thing and asking yer man to behave himself, on the basis that he believed the girl was being abused to some extent. But, outside work, I wouldn't see that as a boss-employee interaction, more a man-to-man one. Now it seems it wasn't she that was bothered, but some third party. If they had a problem, I don't know why they didn't inform the police, instead of their boss.

However, if the PC rules and regulations in the US are now so cockeyed (and as far as I know they weren't that extreme when I was with several US companies here some years ago), I can understand how he felt he needed to act, given that others complained. I'd have told them it was neither their business nor mine – "I'm not your boss here in this pool-hall", or wherever it was. But, for all I know, in the States I could be open to the sack for that. That's why I probably would have declined to administer a rule I couldn't believe in and handed it off to HR.

BTW, I can't see how the arguments here about the morality of the couple concerned have anything to do with the issue of whether it's the company's business or not.

And a question – if it had been two gays fondling each other, what would have happened if Stew had intervened? 'Harassment' and 'discrimination' all over the place, I'd say. And would the other employees have dared to complain? I could imagine HR having caniptions balancing the PC scales on that one!

ExiledGael

Hard to argue with most of that, but once the third party voiced their disapproval to Stew he had to set things in motion to cover himself before handing the situation to HR, his 'ducks in a row' as he said repeatedly.

Square Ball

just another point on Stews predicament, wonder what his employer would think if they knew he was discussing this situation on a public forum? OK I know that the names have been changed to protect the innocent so to speak. but would this contravene any HR rules?
Hospitals are not equipped to treat stupid

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