China Coronavirus

[armaghniac]

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

3 weeks in lockdown then 3 weeks off then back in for an arbitrary amount of time is the worst scenario for anyone trying to run a business in the hospitality sector as no one knows whether they are coming or going so no one can confidently book a table or a room anywhere 3 weeks in advance. The business may or may not still be opened and the people who own or work in the business may or may not be entitled to some payment but they have no customers either way. Even when businesses where opened for a few weeks the rules ensured they couldn't really make a go off it. Max of 6 people, pub closed by 10, no music, nobody too drunk, only talk to person in your group, now talk of outdoor only venues in the middle of winter mean there was no appeal in going out anyhow. The same for anyone thinking of going abroad or coming to Ireland. It doesnt matter which countries are on the green or amber list or whatever.  Most people wont go anywhere as they dont want the hassle of guessing what different rules will be in place a week from now.  There are whole sectors of the economy screwed and the on off restrictions and rules that go along with it are only making it worse.

Sin é. You can't have party pubs in the middle of pandemic, that is as good as it gets.
The trick is to ensure that the R after the current lockdown is 1.2 instead of 1.4 then the vaccine will be coming on stream before another lockdown is needed.

[sid waddell]

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

3 weeks in lockdown then 3 weeks off then back in for an arbitrary amount of time is the worst scenario for anyone trying to run a business in the hospitality sector as no one knows whether they are coming or going so no one can confidently book a table or a room anywhere 3 weeks in advance. The business may or may not still be opened and the people who own or work in the business may or may not be entitled to some payment but they have no customers either way. Even when businesses where opened for a few weeks the rules ensured they couldn't really make a go off it. Max of 6 people, pub closed by 10, no music, nobody too drunk, only talk to person in your group, now talk of outdoor only venues in the middle of winter mean there was no appeal in going out anyhow. The same for anyone thinking of going abroad or coming to Ireland. It doesnt matter which countries are on the green or amber list or whatever.  Most people wont go anywhere as they dont want the hassle of guessing what different rules will be in place a week from now.  There are whole sectors of the economy screwed and the on off restrictions and rules that go along with it are only making it worse.

Sin é. You can't have party pubs in the middle of pandemic, that is as good as it gets.
The trick is to ensure that the R after the current lockdown is 1.2 instead of 1.4 then the vaccine will be coming on stream before another lockdown is needed.

Patrick Vallance said today there wouldn't be a vaccine until at least the spring

There was a guy from whatever umbrella group represents the restaurants on the radio last week calling for the lockdown to be implemented now in the hope it would be lifted for the pre-Christmas period

Said 30% of his business for the year is in the weeks leading up to Christmas

Can see us going back to Level 5 in January

Ultimately this endless circle of trap and release is not sustainable but the will is not there to put in place a strategy to open up but keep the virus down

It's rather worrying

[Mikhail Prokhorov]

As you never tire of reminding us, we do not lockdown for flu. Yet deaths from Covid in April in the middle of a lockdown were greater than the worst January without a lockdown. This reflects that Covid was much worse and the reaction was appropriate. January is sometimes a bad month, but the traditional winter season is only about 6 weeks, without the lockdown not only would Covid have killed more in April, but also in May, in June, in July, in August, in September and in October.
[/quote]

most sensible thing iv read on this thread, wd armagh

[stephenite]

Lockdown, Curfews, Restricted movements, these things all work in reducing the spread of the virus.

[thewobbler]

Not for the first time since Covid arrived, i'm exceptionally confused by government policy.

Cases are rising across Europe. There should be countries in Europe bucking this trend a little.

The common thinking that we've been following should allow those who enjoy a warmer climate, and have a population less tactile and less reliant on alcohol, a more prosperous autumn than us. If they have a more militant police force, even more so again.

But this isn't happening.

So the cause of wildfire spreading has to be something (or a group of things) that's common to us all.

For me, the one thing that seems to connect us  is that everyone sent their kids back to school between the end of August and the middle of September. Then, 2 or 3 weeks later, cases rose.

Obviously I've not the time nor will to research this accurately. It's just instinct. I would call it logic but I'm sure I'll be dismissed by others for having that level of confidence.

But I do believe it's the core commonality across Europe. And I would think that even if it's not true, it's not possible to disprove just yet. Graphs will largely concur. So when the Irish govt choose to lockdown a country but leave schools open, to me, that just smacks of a government choosing to tear the pages out of a book that doesn't suit them. If I'm right, they are currently leaving open an avenue to help Covid spread throughout every village in the county.

Surely, surely a 2 week full curfew lockdown before returning kids to schools infection free, then gradually reducing other restrictions over 6 weeks, would have been a much more pragmatic policy?

[imtommygunn]

It's a bit mad that the DUP would rather see thousands of people die than restrict movement temporarily between the wee six and Britain

Completely owns the taigs though, so it's all worth it in the end I guess

It is not surprising. Sure brexit is shoot yourselves in the foot to build a wall to Dublin too.

[ballinaman]

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

3 weeks in lockdown then 3 weeks off then back in for an arbitrary amount of time is the worst scenario for anyone trying to run a business in the hospitality sector as no one knows whether they are coming or going so no one can confidently book a table or a room anywhere 3 weeks in advance. The business may or may not still be opened and the people who own or work in the business may or may not be entitled to some payment but they have no customers either way. Even when businesses where opened for a few weeks the rules ensured they couldn't really make a go off it. Max of 6 people, pub closed by 10, no music, nobody too drunk, only talk to person in your group, now talk of outdoor only venues in the middle of winter mean there was no appeal in going out anyhow. The same for anyone thinking of going abroad or coming to Ireland. It doesnt matter which countries are on the green or amber list or whatever.  Most people wont go anywhere as they dont want the hassle of guessing what different rules will be in place a week from now.  There are whole sectors of the economy screwed and the on off restrictions and rules that go along with it are only making it worse.

Sin é. You can't have party pubs in the middle of pandemic, that is as good as it gets.
The trick is to ensure that the R after the current lockdown is 1.2 instead of 1.4 then the vaccine will be coming on stream before another lockdown is needed.

Patrick Vallance said today there wouldn't be a vaccine until at least the spring

There was a guy from whatever umbrella group represents the restaurants on the radio last week calling for the lockdown to be implemented now in the hope it would be lifted for the pre-Christmas period

Said 30% of his business for the year is in the weeks leading up to Christmas

Can see us going back to Level 5 in January

Ultimately this endless circle of trap and release is not sustainable but the will is not there to put in place a strategy to open up but keep the virus down

It's rather worrying

Agreed, it all seems very short sighted .
We'll be ok for the summer....lockdown now and there will be a semblance of Christmas.

Vaccine is not a sure thing and it'll be required every year, production and distribution is another key obstacle . You would have to prove you've had a vaccine in some way before going anywhere also, some marker on your phone or something that could be scanned...

[Milltown Row2]

I'd expect cases of the flu would be less this year due to the social distancing and sanitising and washing hands? Less chance of spreading than normal years..

[Abble]

So the cause of wildfire spreading has to be something (or a group of things) that's common to us all.

For me, the one thing that seems to connect us  is that everyone sent their kids back to school between the end of August and the middle of September. Then, 2 or 3 weeks later, cases rose.

i feel we need to think back just to the 3-4 week period preceding the schools return. I don't think we can blame the kids (not saying that you are btw), but I think the drinking throughout pubs, alternatively the drinking in the home with parties and lots of mixing, people returning from various holidays home and abroad, university students in various locations returning and then mixing with families incl younger siblings are reasons why they started to then see the smaller kids picking it up and going into schools with it then.

just my opinion.

and like everything the kids will be the ones to feel the biggest effect of this, even tho they may haveno symptoms, but i think its safe to say that all kids are now getting a 3rd rate education here all because of idiots out there who either dont care about their own kids futures, and/or dont care about those close around them only so that they can get a drink! that first n foremost, plus the other small percentage of idiots out there doing nothing to protect themselves or others, people are getting fed up with it and dont take their necessary measures, you see it everywhere 

[imtommygunn]

Schools have to be a massive factor they just have to be IMO. Universities too. It is very easy to blame people being idiots but there are many layers to this thing like I said starting from the top down.

[Eire90]

Now  that we are in level 5 will the garda be getting tough on those anti maskers anti 5g crowd.

[johnnycool]

Schools have to be a massive factor they just have to be IMO. Universities too. It is very easy to blame people being idiots but there are many layers to this thing like I said starting from the top down.

Allegedly the likes of the Elms halls of residence is an absolute petri dish for it with over 100 cases a few weeks back. Then they all go back to wherever at the weekend.

[imtommygunn]

I honestly think that is one of the major sources up here.

Sure look at northumbria university - 770 positive cases.

A family near us took their daughter to university in Dundee and were saying that there were 700+ in one halls building alone.

Don't get me wrong - people need to behave however I really think this runs much much deeper than just misbehaving individuals. The government and major decision makers have a lot to answer for here too.

[Angelo]

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

3 weeks in lockdown then 3 weeks off then back in for an arbitrary amount of time is the worst scenario for anyone trying to run a business in the hospitality sector as no one knows whether they are coming or going so no one can confidently book a table or a room anywhere 3 weeks in advance. The business may or may not still be opened and the people who own or work in the business may or may not be entitled to some payment but they have no customers either way. Even when businesses where opened for a few weeks the rules ensured they couldn't really make a go off it. Max of 6 people, pub closed by 10, no music, nobody too drunk, only talk to person in your group, now talk of outdoor only venues in the middle of winter mean there was no appeal in going out anyhow. The same for anyone thinking of going abroad or coming to Ireland. It doesnt matter which countries are on the green or amber list or whatever.  Most people wont go anywhere as they dont want the hassle of guessing what different rules will be in place a week from now.  There are whole sectors of the economy screwed and the on off restrictions and rules that go along with it are only making it worse.

Sin é. You can't have party pubs in the middle of pandemic, that is as good as it gets.
The trick is to ensure that the R after the current lockdown is 1.2 instead of 1.4 then the vaccine will be coming on stream before another lockdown is needed.

Patrick Vallance said today there wouldn't be a vaccine until at least the spring

There was a guy from whatever umbrella group represents the restaurants on the radio last week calling for the lockdown to be implemented now in the hope it would be lifted for the pre-Christmas period

Said 30% of his business for the year is in the weeks leading up to Christmas

Can see us going back to Level 5 in January

Ultimately this endless circle of trap and release is not sustainable but the will is not there to put in place a strategy to open up but keep the virus down

It's rather worrying

It's chaotic, we either learn to live with the virus or we lock ourselves away for an infinite amount of time until it's done which seems mad.

But this open/close/open/close strategy is completely for the birds.

There simply must not be another lockdown, the next time we come out there should be no way we go back in.

[Milltown Row2]

So Micheál Martin confirmed its the suppress and release strategy until "a safe vaccine is found".

Ouch...that's a serous roll of the dice .

3 weeks in lockdown then 3 weeks off then back in for an arbitrary amount of time is the worst scenario for anyone trying to run a business in the hospitality sector as no one knows whether they are coming or going so no one can confidently book a table or a room anywhere 3 weeks in advance. The business may or may not still be opened and the people who own or work in the business may or may not be entitled to some payment but they have no customers either way. Even when businesses where opened for a few weeks the rules ensured they couldn't really make a go off it. Max of 6 people, pub closed by 10, no music, nobody too drunk, only talk to person in your group, now talk of outdoor only venues in the middle of winter mean there was no appeal in going out anyhow. The same for anyone thinking of going abroad or coming to Ireland. It doesnt matter which countries are on the green or amber list or whatever.  Most people wont go anywhere as they dont want the hassle of guessing what different rules will be in place a week from now.  There are whole sectors of the economy screwed and the on off restrictions and rules that go along with it are only making it worse.

Sin é. You can't have party pubs in the middle of pandemic, that is as good as it gets.
The trick is to ensure that the R after the current lockdown is 1.2 instead of 1.4 then the vaccine will be coming on stream before another lockdown is needed.

Patrick Vallance said today there wouldn't be a vaccine until at least the spring

There was a guy from whatever umbrella group represents the restaurants on the radio last week calling for the lockdown to be implemented now in the hope it would be lifted for the pre-Christmas period

Said 30% of his business for the year is in the weeks leading up to Christmas

Can see us going back to Level 5 in January

Ultimately this endless circle of trap and release is not sustainable but the will is not there to put in place a strategy to open up but keep the virus down

It's rather worrying

It's chaotic, we either learn to live with the virus or we lock ourselves away for an infinite amount of time until it's done which seems mad.

But this open/close/open/close strategy is completely for the birds.

There simply must not be another lockdown, the next time we come out there should be no way we go back in.

This is the best you have come up with since Radio's post? wow!