Following on from the football thread. Haven't put time into this so I'm surely going to offend!
Enda Rowland
Cahir Healy Ryan Mullaney John A Delaney
Matthew Whelan Paul Cuddy Joe Fitz
Jack Kelly Niall Rigney
David Cuddy Willie Hyland Zane Keenan
Tommy Fitz Cha Dwyer Mark Kavanagh
Honorable mentions are a cop out! A fair outfit
No James Young?
Enda Rowland
John A Delaney
Matthew Whelan
Caher Healy
Joe Fitz
Paul Cuddy
Mick McEvoy
Paddy Purcell
James Walsh
Willie Hyland
James Young
Cha Dwyer
Damien Culleton
David Cuddy
Tommy Fitz
Enda Rowland
John A Delaney
Matthew Whelan
Brian Campion
Joe Fitzpatrick
Paul Cuddy
Mick McEvoy
Paddy Purcell
James Walsh
Willie Hyland
Cha Dwyer
Cahir Healy
Tommy Fitzgerald
James Young
Damien Culliton
Quote from: Keyser Söze on December 15, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
Following on from the football thread. Haven't put time into this so I'm surely going to offend!
Enda Rowland
Cahir Healy Ryan Mullaney John A Delaney
Matthew Whelan Paul Cuddy Joe Fitz
Jack Kelly Niall Rigney
David Cuddy Willie Hyland Zane Keenan
Tommy Fitz Cha Dwyer Mark Kavanagh
Honorable mentions are a cop out! A fair outfit
Young & Paddy Purcell two big mistakes.
I'll swap Purcell for Kelly & Young for Keenan.
I'd go for your updated team Keyser, except I'd switch Ryan Mullaney and Matthew Whelan.
If Lee Cleere has been a bit less injury prone over the last year or two, he might have snuck in ahead of Healy for me
Rowland
Cyril Cuddy Brian Campion Mick Mc
Niall Rigney Paul Cuddy Joe Fitz
James Young Cahir Healy
Cha Dwyer Zane Keenan Willie Hyland
Tommy Fitz Liam Tynan Ross King
Rowland
John A
Campion
Healy
Joe Fitz
Paul Cuddy
Matthew
Purcell
Young
Cha
Zane
Hyland
T Fitz
David Cuddy
Culliton
No Niall Rigney Leixlad? Almost completely aligned otherwise. However, I think the current crop will eclipse many of the lads on the list when they have enough service under their belts. Especially the likes of Aaron Dunphy, Mark Kavanagh, Ryan Mullaney, Podge Delaney, Lee Cleere, Jack Kelly and John Lennon.
For what it is worth:
Rowland
John A
Campion
Healy
Joe Fitz
Paul Cuddy
Rigney
Purcell
Young
Cha
Zane
Hyland
Roddy King
Liam Tynan
Damien Culliton
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
No Niall Rigney Leixlad? Almost completely aligned otherwise. However, I think the current crop will eclipse many of the lads on the list when they have enough service under their belts. Especially the likes of Aaron Dunphy, Mark Kavanagh, Ryan Mullaney, Podge Delaney, Lee Cleere, Jack Kelly and John Lennon.
For what it is worth:
Rowland
John A
Campion
Healy
Joe Fitz
Paul Cuddy
Rigney
Purcell
Young
Cha
Zane
Hyland
Roddy King
Liam Tynan
Damien Culliton
Not for me, probably is next in line. Agree that in 4/5 years we will see (hopefully) more of the current crop on the team.
On a side note - who would you consider our best hurler from that period?
Im young enough - but for me Joe fitz the best i have ever seen hurl with Laois. He would have been a superstar if he was a kilkenny/Tipp man. Always did it with R/E too which i admire.
Quote from: Leixlad on December 17, 2019, 02:57:21 PM
Quote from: blueandwhite1 on December 16, 2019, 02:37:39 PM
No Niall Rigney Leixlad? Almost completely aligned otherwise. However, I think the current crop will eclipse many of the lads on the list when they have enough service under their belts. Especially the likes of Aaron Dunphy, Mark Kavanagh, Ryan Mullaney, Podge Delaney, Lee Cleere, Jack Kelly and John Lennon.
For what it is worth:
Rowland
John A
Campion
Healy
Joe Fitz
Paul Cuddy
Rigney
Purcell
Young
Cha
Zane
Hyland
Roddy King
Liam Tynan
Damien Culliton
Not for me, probably is next in line. Agree that in 4/5 years we will see (hopefully) more of the current crop on the team.
On a side note - who would you consider our best hurler from that period?
Im young enough - but for me Joe fitz the best i have ever seen hurl with Laois. He would have been a superstar if he was a kilkenny/Tipp man. Always did it with R/E too which i admire.
Unfortunately I am old enough to remember that period very well. Niall Rigney and Paul Cuddy were the two best hurlers in my opinion in that era. Niall Rigney at his peak was a superstar. He got man of the match one day in Croke park after scoring something like 17 points against Kilkenny (I think we lost by 20 odd points). They were always dominant no matter what the opposition and no matter how badly everyone around them hurled (can't remember the year, was probably before 2000 in fairness). Damien Culliton and James Young were our best forwards of the era. Joe Fitz and Willie Hyland came later. Lads like these were the difference between us falling down into division 2 and the Christy Ring indefinitely.
I always find these generational comparisons very difficult.
I was a little young to fully appreciate Niall Rigney and there's certainly a recency-bias with some of my picks.
I fully expect Podge Delaney, Aaron Dunphy, Mark Kavanagh and Lee Cleere to be definites across the next decade for example.
In terms on players who I feel would have made Kilkenny panels; I've always advocated for two in particularly.
Joe Fitzpatrick would have hurled for Kilkenny; he wouldn't have penetrated that incredible half-back line but he would have been a panelist for a decade.
One player I really feel would have claimed all-stars is John A Delaney. He's somewhat less heralded but compared to a lot his contemporaries but he was a hell of a corner back and got the better of some excellent hurlers down through the years.
A very hypothetical question but one that maybe shows our pool of players and the quality that we have produced over 20 years but here goes....
Would any of those teams picked above, with everyone in their prime, have definitely won an All-Ireland?
Up against that great Kilkenny team? Hardly.
That Laois team in its prime wouldn't have a chance against either Kk or Tipp,they wouldn't get a puck of it off the Kk backs if they faced them and the Tipp forwards would run some total up against them as well,in a game.
They would struggle physically against Limerick 18 and Galway 17 as well
The only one in the last 15 odd years,I could see them giving a game to would be Clare 13 but even then it could get ugly.
Live now GAA.IE, Carlow IT against GMIT in the Fitzgibbon, plenty of lads playing
Quote from: clonadmad on December 19, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
That Laois team in its prime wouldn't have a chance against either Kk or Tipp,they wouldn't get a puck of it off the Kk backs if they faced them and the Tipp forwards would run some total up against them as well,in a game.
They would struggle physically against Limerick 18 and Galway 17 as well
The only one in the last 15 odd years,I could see them giving a game to would be Clare 13 but even then it could get ugly.
I wouldn't agree totally, the KK team I'd agree with as it has been proven that numerous counties couldn't topple them over the 05-15 era in particular. We did give Galway and Clare a tough time of it with our not-so-strong teams in the last ten years which suggests that we had hurlers (evidently not enough of them) but perhaps we were lacking team co-hesion, that is until Eddie Brennan came along. (In fairness though, Cheddar's reign was close to achieving this). With a generational team as posted prior, I think we would have faired better against alot of the high-tier teams with that pick.
Don't forget, we ran Tipp closer than KK did in the AI final this year, and we both suffered having 14 men against 15 for similar periods.
Has Jack Kelly left the hurling panel? Heard he did today
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on January 21, 2020, 03:36:38 PM
Has Jack Kelly left the hurling panel? Heard he did today
Unless you mean Joe Phelan according to Laois today?
Quote from: Helix. on January 21, 2020, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on January 21, 2020, 03:36:38 PM
Has Jack Kelly left the hurling panel? Heard he did today
Unless you mean Joe Phelan according to Laois today?
A lot of bad news on the hurling front, this last month or so. :(
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on January 21, 2020, 03:36:38 PM
Has Jack Kelly left the hurling panel? Heard he did today
Could be, my informant must have got it wrong