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« Reply #705 on: February 13, 2018, 09:32:47 PM »
Not following this in the papers or on twitter, only here...

Did the texts the next day not refer to "spit- roasting"? Had never come across term beforehand but quick Google seemed to confirm what I presumed it meant in this context. Doesn't seem consistent with solely digital penetration.

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« Reply #706 on: February 13, 2018, 09:44:41 PM »
i wonder how many rapes the witness has seen to be an expert as to whether its rape or not.........

its an awful case and will no doubt dramatically reduce reports into the future as people wont go through the trail by defence.......

equally the ROI version where the accused are entitled to their anonymity is far superior to the media circus enabled by naming of those charged in the 6 counties

Definitely, it would be better for everyone if this was behind closed doors. If they are convicted then the victim could decide whether or not to waive anonymity

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« Reply #707 on: February 13, 2018, 09:51:17 PM »
It is ridiculous that all this is aired in detail in the public domain.

If this is not trial by media i don't know what is.

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« Reply #708 on: February 13, 2018, 09:55:27 PM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?
Anything I post is not the view of the County Board!! Nobody died in the making of this post ;-)

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« Reply #709 on: February 13, 2018, 09:59:07 PM »
Yes...

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« Reply #710 on: February 13, 2018, 10:37:53 PM »
So be no different if talking about the OJ trial as it happened, views will be posted rightly or wrongly and hearsay will be voiced but ultimately itís down to the 9 men 3 woman and lady Judge!

And us taxpayers paying for it!
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« Reply #711 on: February 13, 2018, 10:41:23 PM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?

I heard the girls only want back to the house to play Scrabble and they are huge Scrabble fanatics.
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« Reply #712 on: February 13, 2018, 10:43:27 PM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?

But on a serious note, this is all part of the new Social Media world. Information is no longer for the privileged few, and everything is up for  discussion by everyone.
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« Reply #713 on: February 13, 2018, 10:51:49 PM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?

I heard the girls only want back to the house to play Scrabble and they are huge Scrabble fanatics.

You're some twat.
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« Reply #714 on: February 13, 2018, 11:36:19 PM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?

I heard the girls only want back to the house to play Scrabble and they are huge Scrabble fanatics.

You're some twat.

Well MR2 started it.
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« Reply #715 on: February 13, 2018, 11:44:09 PM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?

I heard the girls only want back to the house to play Scrabble and they are huge Scrabble fanatics.

You're some twat.

Well MR2 started it.

You said earlier you've daughters? I wonder will you be so quick to infer people are stupid and up for it for having the temerity to dress up for a night out and go to a house party when its your own flesh and blood involved. They'll grow up and wear short skirts and fake tan, they'll get pissed, they'll have sex, maybe even with people they've just met . I wonder if you'll find it all so f**king hilarious then, but I doubt it.
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« Reply #716 on: February 14, 2018, 12:15:42 AM »
My musings on the day as was reported would be as follows:

1. The suggestion that the prosecution were able to bring up PJ's defence strikes me as odd unless that had already been put to the witness (but for whatever reason not reported in the press).

2.  The female witness who opened the door for less than a minute is interesting. My feeling is she is not the witness refered to by the defence last week. The one the IP may have been afraid was filming. That witness is either a different  witness to the one who took the stand today or else would have given a statement to the effect of what was put to the injured party. If it's the former then that defence witness is still to come or if it's the later I would have expected lengthy cross examination of why she gave a different version of events to police. The witness today seemed to be asked very few questions by the defence.
On that point whilst today's witness did seem to undermine PJ's contention that he did not have sex with the IP it does not seem to have aided the prosecution in regards either to Olding/McIlroy prosecution nor in respect of what appears to be the other matters at issue I.e. Did the IP consent or did the defendants have a reasonable belief she consented. On that basis I find it strange that the prosecution would have call her and can therefore only assume that we are missing some pertinent details about her evidence. 

3. The only reports I've seen about the other witness seem to be that she only gave inadmissible hearsay evidence. Again I presume that's not the case and something relevant hasn't been reported.

All in all there's nothing I've read today or over this trial to dissuade me from my original position that we simply are not getting all the evidence the jury are and therefore id be very slow to rush to judgement on this case.

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« Reply #717 on: February 14, 2018, 12:58:18 AM »
Are posters not just posting whatís been on the media?

I heard the girls only want back to the house to play Scrabble and they are huge Scrabble fanatics.

You're some twat.

Well MR2 started it.

You said earlier you've daughters? I wonder will you be so quick to infer people are stupid and up for it for having the temerity to dress up for a night out and go to a house party when its your own flesh and blood involved. They'll grow up and wear short skirts and fake tan, they'll get pissed, they'll have sex, maybe even with people they've just met . I wonder if you'll find it all so f**king hilarious then, but I doubt it.

Of course they wonít. The inability to even attempt to put yourself in the mindset of a woman seems to be beyond a large swath of this forum, be it rape, abortion or even pay gaps. This is in no way a fair society and those comfortable with that unfairness are happy to hide beyond wessel words and innuendo.

But of course if it was their kin the tune would change because their comfortable unchallenged worldview will have been spoiled beyond repair.

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« Reply #718 on: February 14, 2018, 05:08:06 AM »
My musings on the day as was reported would be as follows:

1. The suggestion that the prosecution were able to bring up PJ's defence strikes me as odd unless that had already been put to the witness (but for whatever reason not reported in the press).

2.  The female witness who opened the door for less than a minute is interesting. My feeling is she is not the witness refered to by the defence last week. The one the IP may have been afraid was filming. That witness is either a different  witness to the one who took the stand today or else would have given a statement to the effect of what was put to the injured party. If it's the former then that defence witness is still to come or if it's the later I would have expected lengthy cross examination of why she gave a different version of events to police. The witness today seemed to be asked very few questions by the defence.
On that point whilst today's witness did seem to undermine PJ's contention that he did not have sex with the IP it does not seem to have aided the prosecution in regards either to Olding/McIlroy prosecution nor in respect of what appears to be the other matters at issue I.e. Did the IP consent or did the defendants have a reasonable belief she consented. On that basis I find it strange that the prosecution would have call her and can therefore only assume that we are missing some pertinent details about her evidence. 

3. The only reports I've seen about the other witness seem to be that she only gave inadmissible hearsay evidence. Again I presume that's not the case and something relevant hasn't been reported.

All in all there's nothing I've read today or over this trial to dissuade me from my original position that we simply are not getting all the evidence the jury are and therefore id be very slow to rush to judgement on this case.
You're far too reasoned for this thread David. If you want to be a proper Internet debater you need to pick a side and stick to it. Then just cherry-pick the parts of the reports that suit your argument. Take it from me, once you've felt you've felt the rush of petty point scoring, you'll never look back.

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« Reply #719 on: February 14, 2018, 07:45:47 AM »
So be no different if talking about the OJ trial as it happened, views will be posted rightly or wrongly and hearsay will be voiced but ultimately itís down to the 9 men 3 woman and lady Judge!

And us taxpayers paying for it!

The thread wouldn't be what it was without the media. My point is not about the thread. It's human nature. It's about the detail in the media.

Not sure what taxpayers has to do with it. We pay for a criminal justice system. The bit in the middle isn't that relevant.

Whatever the outcome these people are judged probably for the rest of their lives. For whoever the innocent party is that is bad- though we live in a guilty till proven otherwise society these days.