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Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« Reply #5250 on: February 12, 2018, 07:24:06 PM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

Who asked you?
Scrotes like you live in your own delusional little world where you can object to anyone having a different opinion
 The rest of us live in the real world gobshite

Answer the fella's question, tosspot

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« Reply #5251 on: February 12, 2018, 08:22:53 PM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

Who asked you?
Scrotes like you live in your own delusional little world where you can object to anyone having a different opinion
 The rest of us live in the real world gobshite

Answer the fella's question, tosspot
Another scrote head who can't stand a different opinion.

 
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« Reply #5252 on: February 12, 2018, 08:55:04 PM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners
They could post crash. Reform will be inevitable
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« Reply #5253 on: February 13, 2018, 09:33:12 AM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

Who asked you?
Scrotes like you live in your own delusional little world where you can object to anyone having a different opinion
 The rest of us live in the real world gobshite

Did you log on under the wrong name to answer lol

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« Reply #5254 on: February 13, 2018, 10:16:08 AM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

The economic realities wonít be a deal breaker. This place is costing the British exchequer 9 billion annually with no chance of it being reduced. If a UI was feasible the UK would happily pay 5 billion a year for a transitional period and Ireland would have to pay the rest my guess  being this would come in the form of a block grant form Europe. Once the two economies become more aligned and NI is getting some international commercial investment due to alignment with the southís attractive corporate tax rate then the deficit should be gone.
All theory yes but more than plausible.
Itís the blood on the streets and unionists resistance thatís the crux of the problem.

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« Reply #5255 on: February 13, 2018, 10:49:01 AM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

The economic realities wonít be a deal breaker. This place is costing the British exchequer 9 billion annually with no chance of it being reduced. If a UI was feasible the UK would happily pay 5 billion a year for a transitional period and Ireland would have to pay the rest my guess  being this would come in the form of a block grant form Europe. Once the two economies become more aligned and NI is getting some international commercial investment due to alignment with the southís attractive corporate tax rate then the deficit should be gone.
All theory yes but more than plausible.
Itís the blood on the streets and unionists resistance thatís the crux of the problem.

There are options there that are feasible and certainly the British would be prepared to pay some form of support. It is our own politicians North and South who spout about unity but have not brought forward any realistic thoughts on development of agriculture, forestry, fishing, tourism, rural development etc that would convince people that unity is an economic possibility without turning the place into Zimbabwe.
Are the parties who will form the majority prepared to guarantee the rights of the minority i.e. cherish all the children of the nation equally? 
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« Reply #5256 on: February 13, 2018, 11:03:10 AM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

The economic realities wonít be a deal breaker. This place is costing the British exchequer 9 billion annually with no chance of it being reduced. If a UI was feasible the UK would happily pay 5 billion a year for a transitional period and Ireland would have to pay the rest my guess  being this would come in the form of a block grant form Europe. Once the two economies become more aligned and NI is getting some international commercial investment due to alignment with the southís attractive corporate tax rate then the deficit should be gone.
All theory yes but more than plausible.
Itís the blood on the streets and unionists resistance thatís the crux of the problem.

There are options there that are feasible and certainly the British would be prepared to pay some form of support. It is our own politicians North and South who spout about unity but have not brought forward any realistic thoughts on development of agriculture, forestry, fishing, tourism, rural development etc that would convince people that unity is an economic possibility without turning the place into Zimbabwe.
Are the parties who will form the majority prepared to guarantee the rights of the minority i.e. cherish all the children of the nation equally?

The parties who form the majority better treat everyone equally as happened in the south or they would be losing my vote pronto. Nationalist in the north that have been subjected to the tyranny of unionism have an obligation to take a higher moral ground or else we are just hypocrites. Unionists in the south at the time of Independence were treated as equals when the republic was formed and thatís the way it should be. When or if a UI is realised the unionists Protestant vote will have their voice in a new government as any democratic system should function.
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« Reply #5257 on: February 13, 2018, 11:15:50 AM »
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« Reply #5258 on: February 13, 2018, 01:50:27 PM »
I don't think a united Ireland is a fantasy. We are at the end of a credit expansion system and there is going to be a massive crash. Like 100 years ago. 3 empires collapsed. Russian, German and Austro-Hungarian .  When new countries were formed. Chaos is when anything can happen.

Must have been some night if youíre still drunk at 9am the next morning, Sea.

So do you think a UI is a complete fantasy and there is no chance of reunification?

It is a fantasy when not one party is showing the economic realities of reunification. Where is the money going to come from? The Tories are not going to continue to subsidise the North especially after Brexit.
The next election in the Republic wont be won by any party spouting about reunification. It will be won on economic grounds.   Sinn Feins tax policies will not attract votes from middle income earners

The economic realities wonít be a deal breaker. This place is costing the British exchequer 9 billion annually with no chance of it being reduced. If a UI was feasible the UK would happily pay 5 billion a year for a transitional period and Ireland would have to pay the rest my guess  being this would come in the form of a block grant form Europe. Once the two economies become more aligned and NI is getting some international commercial investment due to alignment with the southís attractive corporate tax rate then the deficit should be gone.
All theory yes but more than plausible.
Itís the blood on the streets and unionists resistance thatís the crux of the problem.

There are options there that are feasible and certainly the British would be prepared to pay some form of support. It is our own politicians North and South who spout about unity but have not brought forward any realistic thoughts on development of agriculture, forestry, fishing, tourism, rural development etc that would convince people that unity is an economic possibility without turning the place into Zimbabwe.
Are the parties who will form the majority prepared to guarantee the rights of the minority i.e. cherish all the children of the nation equally?

The parties who form the majority better treat everyone equally as happened in the south or they would be losing my vote pronto. Nationalist in the north that have been subjected to the tyranny of unionism have an obligation to take a higher moral ground or else we are just hypocrites. Unionists in the south at the time of Independence were treated as equals when the republic was formed and thatís the way it should be. When or if a UI is realised the unionists Protestant vote will have their voice in a new government as any democratic system should function.
If anything a strong united party across the Unionist/Loyalist spectrum would have a very powerful voice and could hold the balance of power continously and be a coalition partner in government. It is unlikely tht FF FG SF SDLP Labour PBP (Healys Rae) Socialists etc would unite in total opposition to Unionist/Loyalist.
I wouldnt be overly concerned about the political operation but the ability to maximise economic opportunities and have prosperity and decent living standards for all.
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« Reply #5259 on: February 13, 2018, 05:36:42 PM »


The parties who form the majority better treat everyone equally as happened in the south or they would be losing my vote pronto. Nationalist in the north that have been subjected to the tyranny of unionism have an obligation to take a higher moral ground or else we are just hypocrites. Unionists in the south at the time of Independence were treated as equals when the republic was formed and thatís the way it should be.

While the South today is a pluralist country, at the time of Independence and for a good time after it was a cold house for Protestants. One has only to look at the funeral of our first president Douglas Hyde where FF obeyed the Catholic Church and stayed away, FG obeyed and stayed outside the church and only one Irish politician, Noel Browne, defyed the Catholic Church and actually attended. After attending a soccer match between Ireland and Poland as President, the GAA removed Hyde as their patron. His grave was covered in weeds up until the 1990s when Europe gave us money to do it up. And thatís how we treated an Irish speaking Protestant nationalist. Thereís still some skeletons of burnt out houses that serve as a reminder of the ethnic cleansing of others. Again not a reflection of the Ireland of today.