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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #6480 on: February 13, 2018, 11:37:21 PM »
Iíve watched a bucketload of NFL this year, where decisions cannot be made easily within the rules of the game,  and now this in the rugby.

The VARs in these sports need a simple doctrine from above: in all decisions, when itís a coin toss, the favour will always go with the attacking / defending team; whichever way the doctrine is stated. VARs then cite that as their final decision when one cannot clearly be made.

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« Reply #6481 on: February 14, 2018, 08:25:44 AM »
Iíve watched a bucketload of NFL this year, where decisions cannot be made easily within the rules of the game,  and now this in the rugby.

The VARs in these sports need a simple doctrine from above: in all decisions, when itís a coin toss, the favour will always go with the attacking / defending team; whichever way the doctrine is stated. VARs then cite that as their final decision when one cannot clearly be made.

Did the Rugby authorities not come out and say that the video ref made a mistake in the try that was denied to Wales?

Tough on Wales but good that the governing authorities are open about these things in a timely manner and not just be seen to back the officials to the hilt even when they are wrong.

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« Reply #6482 on: February 14, 2018, 02:05:11 PM »
Iíve watched a bucketload of NFL this year, where decisions cannot be made easily within the rules of the game,  and now this in the rugby.

The VARs in these sports need a simple doctrine from above: in all decisions, when itís a coin toss, the favour will always go with the attacking / defending team; whichever way the doctrine is stated. VARs then cite that as their final decision when one cannot clearly be made.

Thatís pure nonsense. The rules should be clear and easily understood and favour neither team. In American football one of the nonsenses they have is making the refs call it in real time and that call being treated with a certain reverence (clear evidence that it should be overturned) when it really shouldnít.

The TMO whiffed on this one. It happens rarely enough in rugby that there is nothing to see here, let alone do.

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« Reply #6483 on: February 14, 2018, 02:43:35 PM »
Iíve watched a bucketload of NFL this year, where decisions cannot be made easily within the rules of the game,  and now this in the rugby.

The VARs in these sports need a simple doctrine from above: in all decisions, when itís a coin toss, the favour will always go with the attacking / defending team; whichever way the doctrine is stated. VARs then cite that as their final decision when one cannot clearly be made.

Thatís pure nonsense. The rules should be clear and easily understood and favour neither team.In American football one of the nonsenses they have is making the refs call it in real time and that call being treated with a certain reverence (clear evidence that it should be overturned) when it really shouldnít.

The TMO whiffed on this one. It happens rarely enough in rugby that there is nothing to see here, let alone do.

The rules are clear generally. The problem is that certain decisions are so borderline that even with VAR its impossible to be 100% clear. If you dont see enough evidence to overturn in those situations why not go with the onfield officials original call. In certain situations they may have a better idea of what happened than VAR. Whats the alternative,balance of probability? Then it becomes really subjective.
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« Reply #6484 on: February 14, 2018, 03:47:32 PM »
Cricket and NFL have it right. Unless it's a clear error by the officials then their call on the field stands. I think that's fair.

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« Reply #6485 on: February 14, 2018, 05:08:02 PM »
Cricket and NFL have it right. Unless it's a clear error by the officials then their call on the field stands. I think that's fair.

Most of the time there is no call on the field in rugby.

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« Reply #6486 on: February 21, 2018, 01:41:05 PM »
Wales name a stronger team than the one that took England to the wire;

Wales (v Ireland) - L Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), S Williams, H Parkes, S Evans (all Scarlets); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies; R Evans, K Owens, S Lee (all Scarlets); C Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys); A Shingler (Scarlets), J Navidi (Cardiff), R Moriarty (Gloucester). Reps: E Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies, J Tipuric (both Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), G Anscombe (Cardiff), G North (Northampton).

I can see Ireland lose this one if Ireland don't open Wales up and score a try or two. Crash ball isn't going to work.

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« Reply #6487 on: February 21, 2018, 02:09:12 PM »
Wales name a stronger team than the one that took England to the wire;

Wales (v Ireland) - L Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), S Williams, H Parkes, S Evans (all Scarlets); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies; R Evans, K Owens, S Lee (all Scarlets); C Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys); A Shingler (Scarlets), J Navidi (Cardiff), R Moriarty (Gloucester). Reps: E Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies, J Tipuric (both Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), G Anscombe (Cardiff), G North (Northampton).

I can see Ireland lose this one if Ireland don't open Wales up and score a try or two. Crash ball isn't going to work.

Wales are toothless.

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« Reply #6488 on: February 21, 2018, 02:12:30 PM »
Wales name a stronger team than the one that took England to the wire;

Wales (v Ireland) - L Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), S Williams, H Parkes, S Evans (all Scarlets); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies; R Evans, K Owens, S Lee (all Scarlets); C Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys); A Shingler (Scarlets), J Navidi (Cardiff), R Moriarty (Gloucester). Reps: E Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies, J Tipuric (both Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), G Anscombe (Cardiff), G North (Northampton).

I can see Ireland lose this one if Ireland don't open Wales up and score a try or two. Crash ball isn't going to work.

Wales are toothless.

That's what the Scots thought and the English were lucky the TMO was on their side. I'd say you youtube Liam Williams before you make comments about how toothless the Welsh might be.

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Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« Reply #6489 on: February 21, 2018, 02:31:56 PM »
Liam Williams is a bandy legged hoor.

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« Reply #6490 on: February 21, 2018, 02:59:24 PM »
Wales name a stronger team than the one that took England to the wire;

Wales (v Ireland) - L Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), S Williams, H Parkes, S Evans (all Scarlets); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies; R Evans, K Owens, S Lee (all Scarlets); C Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys); A Shingler (Scarlets), J Navidi (Cardiff), R Moriarty (Gloucester). Reps: E Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies, J Tipuric (both Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), G Anscombe (Cardiff), G North (Northampton).

I can see Ireland lose this one if Ireland don't open Wales up and score a try or two. Crash ball isn't going to work.

Wales are toothless.

That's what the Scots thought and the English were lucky the TMO was on their side. I'd say you youtube Liam Williams before you make comments about how toothless the Welsh might be.

Wales didnít convert any of about ten trips into Englandís 22. Their best chance came off a ball that randomly hit a ladís knee and spilled over the try line.

If beating Scotland is your evidence of Wales being able to put big points on us, lord.. we could well win this one with a single try as our defence is fully capable of smothering them.

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« Reply #6491 on: February 21, 2018, 03:07:47 PM »
Liam Williams is a bandy legged hoor.

Correct!

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« Reply #6492 on: February 21, 2018, 05:32:28 PM »
Liam Williams is a bandy legged hoor.

Correct!

Damn fine bandy legged hoor of a player though...
#newbridgeornowhere

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« Reply #6493 on: February 22, 2018, 07:41:13 AM »
Times says Furlong and Hendo both out. Porter to start with Ryan/Toner the lock combination.

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« Reply #6494 on: February 22, 2018, 12:04:31 PM »
Wales name a stronger team than the one that took England to the wire;

Wales (v Ireland) - L Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), S Williams, H Parkes, S Evans (all Scarlets); D Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies; R Evans, K Owens, S Lee (all Scarlets); C Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys); A Shingler (Scarlets), J Navidi (Cardiff), R Moriarty (Gloucester). Reps: E Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), T Francis (Exeter), B Davies, J Tipuric (both Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), G Anscombe (Cardiff), G North (Northampton).

I can see Ireland lose this one if Ireland don't open Wales up and score a try or two. Crash ball isn't going to work.

Wales are toothless.

That's what the Scots thought and the English were lucky the TMO was on their side. I'd say you youtube Liam Williams before you make comments about how toothless the Welsh might be.

Wales didnít convert any of about ten trips into Englandís 22. Their best chance came off a ball that randomly hit a ladís knee and spilled over the try line.

If beating Scotland is your evidence of Wales being able to put big points on us, lord.. we could well win this one with a single try as our defence is fully capable of smothering them.

The absolute arrogance.