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Title: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 28, 2007, 06:02:17 PM
Someone suggested setting up an American Sports Thread the other day so here goes. To start with, a clip that shows american football can be like rugby after all!..

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2564308&n8pe6c=2&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on October 28, 2007, 07:21:46 PM
al lot of laterals there,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 28, 2007, 08:15:41 PM
It's no Cal vs Stanford
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 29, 2007, 11:21:43 AM
can pats be stopped?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 12:15:58 PM
No
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 29, 2007, 12:19:31 PM
insightful
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 29, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
If so, it's going to be a good year for Boston.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 01:03:24 PM
Quotecan pats be stopped?
definitely, they can be caught on a bad day, brady can get injured, its been a bad year for QBs but the only team realistically capable of beating them in a fair game is the Colts next week. Its the first time ever that two teams that are a minimum of 7-0 are meeting up.
Going to be a cracker, I have my sofa booked for the game. It'll be interesting to see just how good the colts pass defense is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 29, 2007, 01:05:48 PM
Mr April - very droll. But I recall Peyton Manning was being disparaged as gridiron's Mr October. Perhaps A-Rod can come through like he did

Then again . . .

(http://www.happyscrappy.com/blog/images/arodbag.jpg)

Maybe not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 29, 2007, 01:32:43 PM
anyone know was the dolphins/giants game in wembly a sell out yesterday? all the papers say so yet there were loads of seats covered with canvas all around the sides. also looks like their going to have to do something with the pitch, got really cut up towards the end. great to see the game there tho...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 01:37:29 PM
they sold all the seats that were available - looked to be lots of empty seats  though - so it was technically a sell-out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 29, 2007, 01:38:27 PM
The word over here is that they doubt if the British public will be anxious for much more American football given the dismal fare on show at Wembley yesterday! One awful team and another perhaps flattering to deceive so far. Manning was fairly poor apparently.

Mind you, the only the thing they're talking about on the sports channels in NY is A-Rod! Not Boston, not the game in London, not Chad Pennington! A lot of Yankees fans seem happy he may be leaving. Never does it in the playoffs apparently. The fact that they wouldn't have made the playoffs this year without him, or that he is probably heading for a third MVP with them, doesn't seem to matter. Who will they blame next year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 01:42:34 PM
All seems very fishy that this is announced the day the Red Sox wins the World Series
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 29, 2007, 01:48:35 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2007, 01:42:34 PM
All seems very fishy that this is announced the day the Red Sox wins the World Series

During the eighth inning no less
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 01:51:23 PM
Fishy my ass. His agent Boras practically runs the league. He has a huge amount of players on his roster, but this was a very calculated move to get the press on the A-Rod band wagon this morning, given the poor display from the Rockies.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on October 29, 2007, 01:58:32 PM
If the NFL wanted to showcase their game it would have made more sense to put next weeks game between the Colts and Pats on in London. These teams have been the best teams in the NFL over the last five years. The game yesterday in Wembley was so boring it was difficult to watch and the Yanks think soccer is boring.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 29, 2007, 02:04:17 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on October 29, 2007, 01:58:32 PM
If the NFL wanted to showcase their game it would have made more sense to put next weeks game between the Colts and Pats on in London. These teams have been the best teams in the NFL over the last five years. The game yesterday in Wembley was so boring it was difficult to watch and the Yanks think soccer is boring.

I think they brought over those teams because both are very well known over in this side of the world when compared to the Colts or the Pats.  Also the awful weather and pitch didnt help things.  Still think they should have another one even two matches in Europe next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 02:06:09 PM
the problem they have with the pats & colts is that a lot of the teams have contracts with their stadia that mean that they MUST play their 8 home games at that stadium. If not they end up homeless. The NFL has announced that it intends that every team will play a minimum of 1 game outside the US in the next 3 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 29, 2007, 03:21:25 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 29, 2007, 11:21:43 AM
can pats be stopped?

I dont think they can be stopped this year. Not sure of a defence that can handle Brady and co, 10 catches for 10 touchdowns for Mike Vrabel! :o
Was talking to the old man yesterday he says "Christ that american football is a boring game"
Was talking to an american friend a couple days ago he says "You know, that soccer is a boring game to watch, unless one of your kids is playing in it"

Quote from: heganboy on October 29, 2007, 02:06:09 PM
the problem they have with the pats & colts is that a lot of the teams have contracts with their stadia that mean that they MUST play their 8 home games at that stadium. If not they end up homeless. The NFL has announced that it intends that every team will play a minimum of 1 game outside the US in the next 3 years.

The dallas cowboys owner wasnt too excited about that idea.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 29, 2007, 03:48:24 PM
there is a lot of confusion and debate among american commentators about whether or not NFL abroad is a good thing.  Some think it is good to raise the profile of the game, others think it is a waste of time and resources, especially at this early stage of the season.

I don't think NFL will ever have an equivalent in the european countries like soccer does in the US.  Soccer is played at underage level in the school systems over here but NFL will never be played in EU.

I personally think there is a huge market for the NFL in Ireland and the UK.  The tickets sold out so quickly and rumors that there were 500,000 requests to the website for tickets would back that up. Its a great game when you understand it and give it a chance, but for me it is and always will be a sport we like to watch - not play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 29, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
couldnt have put it better iceman. having said that i'd love to know how many kids in america actually play american football. i know the kids in high school and college play it and there are a no. of lesser leagues than the nfl but i bet its not a huge participation sport. i'm convinced nfl teams would work in london/berlin and paris if the nfl wanted to do it without having any other regular leagues in those cities. its a great game to watch once you get to know the rules (yesterdays game was never going to be great as the dolphins are poor enough)...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 29, 2007, 08:32:20 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 29, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
couldnt have put it better iceman. having said that i'd love to know how many kids in america actually play american football. i know the kids in high school and college play it and there are a no. of lesser leagues than the nfl but i bet its not a huge participation sport. i'm convinced nfl teams would work in london/berlin and paris if the nfl wanted to do it without having any other regular leagues in those cities. its a great game to watch once you get to know the rules (yesterdays game was never going to be great as the dolphins are poor enough)...
You are dead right magickingdom. The reason most kids play soccer and baseball over here as youths is the elitism of American Football. Around here there are limited opportunities to play the game outside of high school and college. By that stage you need to be good enough to make the varsity team otherwise your ride has ended. There are a number of flag football competitions here and there, which by nature are non contact but its nowhere near the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 30, 2007, 03:39:56 AM
Bret Favre throws for an 82 yard touchdown in overtime to beat the broncos in denver :o. 38 and still the most fun to watch in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:43:24 AM
i hated the verbal blowjob they gave him before the match though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 03:45:52 AM
If tonites game between Green Bay and Denver was played in London all of Europe would be hooked on the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 30, 2007, 03:50:11 AM
I missed that part gabriel. Did you hear his own quote about his game? That its the beauty and the beast of his career that he has always thought he could make a play out of anything. At least he acknowledges his faults. He is some player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 04:04:12 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:43:24 AM
i hated the verbal blowjob they gave him before the match though

If John Madden was announcing the game you would of actually heard him slurping ;D

It seems Favre is Maddens fantasy man, the love is a little to strong  ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 30, 2007, 11:03:02 AM
Yes the choice of teams for the London game was a little mis-guided. But It was far from boring. I had a great time at it. really enjoyed it. Wembley is cool stadium and from what I could see it was full to the roof.

One thing I'd like to point out is the there already is are American Football leagues in the UK and in Ireland. Over 100 teams in BAFL not including college. Ireland we have about 10 and its growing. The biggest problem with the Irish league is how to deal with the swelling numbers of people participating. Its very much a labour of love for those involved, much like GAA people we give so much of our spare time and money to run games organise buses ambulances refs...etc. But get out there and play it, it is a great sport to play.

www.irish-american-football.org
www.bafl.org


Another question. HOw many TD's will will Brady finisih with. Hill-Billy Brett reckons he could have 60. and if so, is he perhaps the best ever QB, 3 SB rings and possibly a 4th on the way. OK it helps that he's surrounded by talent but is he better than Montana, Marino, Unitas, Manning or even Ryan Leaf( :P)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 30, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
Okay, American football fans. Am I right in assuming that an 82 yard throw for a touchdown in overtime, while spectacular, is likely to give a coach a coronary? The chances of it being intercepted at that range are high. A coach would surely insist that they take as long as it takes to grind up to field goal range. Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 30, 2007, 11:15:52 AM
The ball might have been caught at 20 yds and ran for the next 62. but I didnt see it yet, will watch highlights tonight. But sometimes you have to throw along bomb, especially with time ticking. Anyway its Brett Farve were talking about he knows what he's at.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 30, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
can anyone post a link to a clip of it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on October 30, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
can anyone post a link to a clip of it?

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803bd71c
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 11:45:39 AM
Deiseach, that would be the conventional wisdom, run the ball and keep running until you are in fieldgoal range, or else dump off a couple of 5 yard passes and try to get a few yards after the catch (YAC). I don't know if this was a long bomb or a big run after the catch.

The other thing is that the defence nearly always expects run or short pass in overtime, and if they do, then they usually play their 2 safeties up to put at least 8 or 9 men 'in the box' which is the area just behind the line of scrimmage. It's traditional run stopping practice. If they do that, then it's usually 1 on 1 outside, and no QB worth his salt will throw an INT in 1 on 1 coverage. Usually interceptions are because the ball is tipped, or else a Safety or Linebacker is anticipating pass and either gets in the way, or goes double teaming the receiver.

If they are expecting run, and Favre does a play action fake, i.e. pretending to hand the ball to a runner before spinning around to throw, the chances of a big play, especially in those circumstances, are much greater, and the chances of an INT goes down as well.

So, without seeing it, I would reckon it was a defence playing run, a good play action fake to suck the safeties in further, and a long pass to a single coverage, or wide open receiver. That's what I'd do :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
I just saw the clip that Balboa posted. Am I good or what? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 30, 2007, 12:39:59 PM
Was watching the game last night, favre threw for 2TDs both the same play one to either side and both on the first play of the drive. By the way this was after denver managed to sneak a field goal with 6 seconds left to get into OT. I thought denver should have been more aware that favre would try it again, but no, all the same some throw, inch perfect
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 30, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 11:45:39 AM
Deiseach, that would be the conventional wisdom, run the ball and keep running until you are in fieldgoal range, or else dump off a couple of 5 yard passes and try to get a few yards after the catch (YAC). I don't know if this was a long bomb or a big run after the catch.

The other thing is that the defence nearly always expects run or short pass in overtime, and if they do, then they usually play their 2 safeties up to put at least 8 or 9 men 'in the box' which is the area just behind the line of scrimmage. It's traditional run stopping practice. If they do that, then it's usually 1 on 1 outside, and no QB worth his salt will throw an INT in 1 on 1 coverage. Usually interceptions are because the ball is tipped, or else a Safety or Linebacker is anticipating pass and either gets in the way, or goes double teaming the receiver.

If they are expecting run, and Favre does a play action fake, i.e. pretending to hand the ball to a runner before spinning around to throw, the chances of a big play, especially in those circumstances, are much greater, and the chances of an INT goes down as well.

So, without seeing it, I would reckon it was a defence playing run, a good play action fake to suck the safeties in further, and a long pass to a single coverage, or wide open receiver. That's what I'd do :D

Well that's as clear as mud. Are you saying that the way the Denver defence lined up was to prevent a running game so the throw to the receiver was not as risky a move as it normally is, or (to my untrained eye) looked on that video?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 30, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
Stayed up to watch the game last night, but the fact I only got two hours sleep the night before came against me and I fell asleep at the start of the 2nd Qtr and only woke with about 3 minutes to play in the 4th.  Was fully awake then and thought not so bad after Elam tied the game up with the field goal.  As one of the lads said last night that must have been one of the quickest overtime in years.  One play and it was game over.

Will this be Favres last season?  I mean at 38 he is hardly young and I remember people talking about him retiring last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 01:05:41 PM
He only stayed on so he could break the TD record - i think this will be the last season for the maestro
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 01:17:49 PM
In a nutshell yes :D  If you look at the video again, count the number of lads up close to the line of scrimmage. There's 8 lads there, not counting the 2 corner backs 'marking the wide receivers' at the top and botton of the screen. That means there is only 1 safety down the field defending the pass, and he lined up favouring the right side of the field. You can see him coming into shot trying to make up the distance when the ball goes to Jennings. I think he is #40. If that was a passing down the other safety would be back as well, and he would be helping out that corner back.

I'm rambling again :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
has favre been with green bay all his career and has he ever won the superbowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 01:28:05 PM
Yes, he won the Superbowl in 1997 against the Patriots. Lost it the next year against Denver, when John Elway finally got his first.
Favre was drafted in 1991 by the Atlanta Falcons, but only played a very small bit for them. the next off-season, he was traded to the Packers in exchange for a first round draft pick. He took over as starting QB early in that season, and has been there ever since.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 01:21:57 PM
has favre been with green bay all his career and has he ever won the superbowl?

Beat Patriots in '96, he was with Falcons for a season i think but i dunno if he played much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 01:39:46 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 30, 2007, 01:48:25 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 01:39:46 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport

Very strange.  The jerseys they wear seem so big and baggy like Hockey jerseys.  Strange observation I know!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 01:39:46 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport

is that the game with netted sticks and they move the ball up the field by throwing it from player to player if it is yea its a strange sport
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 30, 2007, 01:58:36 PM
World Series ceist

I watched and enjoyed some of the games in the World Series, but the one thing that confused my was the rotation of the pitchers. For example in the 4th game, when Lester got tired for Boston, they brought on DelCarmen and Timlin for about an innings each, whereas to my untrained eye they would have been miles better off using Matsuzaka and Schilling for an innings or two instead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 30, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
the issue with pitchers is rest, most require 4 days (or usually 5) before they can go in the rotation again. With schilling and matsuzaka having thrown in that time it would be risking their arm to let them throw. The boys that come in after lester are middle relievers and are specialists, they throw in many cases only a few pitches to get out a specific type of batter. At this stage in the game its very much like a chess match. Pitchers and batters are chosen by the manager for specific match ups given the situation the game is in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 01:39:46 PM
Watched a Larcrosse match on NASN the other night....Strange sport

is that the game with netted sticks and they move the ball up the field by throwing it from player to player if it is yea its a strange sport

Thats it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:05:58 PM
Lacrosse is a great sport - some say that's where the sport of hurling came from
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
Do you chaps prefer to "pitch" or "catch" ?  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:10:50 PM
I prefer to play 3rd base myself
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 30, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 30, 2007, 11:08:03 AM
Okay, American football fans. Am I right in assuming that an 82 yard throw for a touchdown in overtime, while spectacular, is likely to give a coach a coronary? The chances of it being intercepted at that range are high. A coach would surely insist that they take as long as it takes to grind up to field goal range. Or am I missing something?

Deisach, AZOfally has rightly answered your question. One extra titbit however. When favre is your quarterback, youd better have a decent ticker in you, otherwise youll suffer alot. When he is good he is spectacular, when he sucks, he sucks big time. He is always looking for the big play. Infact, in his press conference last night (which seemed to go on forever) he pretty much said they had designed the play to hit the tight end up the middle, as the corners were playing inside, and the safeties were playing outside. When he got the ball, he noticed that the faked play action had worked so well, that denver were playing a single safety against the wide reciever and "He just knew that the perfect throw would enable the wide reciever to make the play".
Simple I guess. :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 30, 2007, 02:22:13 PM
Thanks heganboy. Throwing that ball must be more tiring than it looks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:34:15 PM
They put some force into that Hound, especially on something like a fastball. A major league fastball pitcher would throw anywhere from the low to high 90s and sometimes above. Some pitchers are more subtle, and try to throw a lot of different pitches like change ups, curveballs and sliders, but the amount of pitches they throw, combined with the effort expended makes throwing a lot of pitches (which starters tend to do) with little rest, hard to do.

Also, there is the mentality thing as well. Relief pitchers are trained, and mentally tuned in, to enter games in full swing, when serious economy and accuracy are needed. Sometimes starters make bad relievers because they are used to setting the tempo themselves, and pitching their way into games.

As an aside, I once saw a game where the pitcher broke his arm throwing a pitch. The torque and pressure on the bone as he brought his arm forward just snapped the bone. It's happened a couple of times, but I remember that game well. I think Tampa Bay were playing.

Also, as an indication of how hard those lads throw in reality, this is what happens when a Randy Johnson 95mph  fastball meets a pigeon :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:40:38 PM
put it into perspective - this is a simulation of what your reaction time would need to be to hit a 90mph fastball

http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/reactiontime.html

0.18 seconds - to hit a homer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:45:58 PM
Yeah Gab, and thats not trying to figure out is it high, low, inside, outside etc etc. And only at 90 mph.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 02:47:39 PM
that clip of the bird getting walloped was class, not because the bird got hit but the puff of feathers that came with it! what are the chances of that happening again?

anyone on the thread interested in the NBA, or basketball in general?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 02:48:24 PM
I'm going to the Raptors opening game tomorrow night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 30, 2007, 02:50:13 PM
hav to say i think nba is terrible from what iv seen of it its a shoot out from the line with the odd bounce thrown in, though college is a different story, think its great!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:50:25 PM
the NBA is my least favoured 'major' North American sport. I don't like the players or their attitudes, and most of the games are just up-down, up-down affairs until the last 2 minutes when it gets good, and people start playing defence.

College Basketball is much better in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 30, 2007, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:34:15 PM
They put some force into that Hound, especially on something like a fastball. A major league fastball pitcher would throw anywhere from the low to high 90s and sometimes above. Some pitchers are more subtle, and try to throw a lot of different pitches like change ups, curveballs and sliders, but the amount of pitches they throw, combined with the effort expended makes throwing a lot of pitches (which starters tend to do) with little rest, hard to do.

Also, there is the mentality thing as well. Relief pitchers are trained, and mentally tuned in, to enter games in full swing, when serious economy and accuracy are needed. Sometimes starters make bad relievers because they are used to setting the tempo themselves, and pitching their way into games.

As an aside, I once saw a game where the pitcher broke his arm throwing a pitch. The torque and pressure on the bone as he brought his arm forward just snapped the bone. It's happened a couple of times, but I remember that game well. I think Tampa Bay were playing.

Also, as an indication of how hard those lads throw in reality, this is what happens when a Randy Johnson 95mph  fastball meets a pigeon :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7251290349714298106)
I still dont believe that even with only 24 hours rest that Matsuzaka would not have thrown better than either DelCarmen or Timlin did.
Though having never seen a game of baseball before this World Series, I may not be an expert!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 02:56:54 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 02:58:15 PM
That sounds like slow pitch softball. Are you sure you weren't drunk? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 02:58:54 PM
don't get to see much Collega ball over here but i have heard it is 10 times better than the NBA, more heart and soul put into it!!
will have to see how much NASN costs here, cable tv channel, as it shows all the football/baseball/basketball from around the states, at all levels.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 02:59:07 PM
Anyone watch Ice Hockey? I like watching it in the Winter Olympics and there was a game for the Sega Megadrive years back that i spent hours upon hours playing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 03:00:39 PM
love ice hockey, a great game to watch. i know there is no comparison to the NHL, but been to see the Belfast Giants once or twice, and that is a good nights craic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:04:14 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 02:59:07 PM
Anyone watch Ice Hockey? I like watching it in the Winter Olympics and there was a game for the Sega Megadrive years back that i spent hours upon hours playing

I'm a Maple Leafs supporter for my sins - am starting to play it this winter now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:04:29 PM
StPauls. I'm a bit of an expert on NASN :D I've had it since it launched. It currently costs €18 a month as part of the Setanta Package on Sky, i.e. you get all the Setanta Channels as well. I think it's £13 sterling a month?

They show College Football and Basketball a lot, tons of Baseball and Ice Hockey and a load of other stuff like NASCAR (spit) and the 'magazine' shows like NFL today, NHL Face Off etc etc which are great to keep up to date.

Laoislad, Ice Hockey is great as well, but I haven't really gotten into it this season yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Have to say there is hardly a sport in the world that i wouldn't watch apart from WWF but thats hardly a real sport is it ? But i really could never get into Basketball,Maybe because im only 5ft8"  and i felt inferior but i just can't take to it at all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Have to say there is hardly a sport in the world that i wouldn't watch apart from WWF but thats hardly a real sport is it ? But i really could never get into Basketball,Maybe because im only 5ft8"  and i felt inferior but i just can't take to it at all

Do any of youse remember Spud Webb, 5ft 7 and could dunk the shit out of it......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:12:41 PM
Wasn't Mugsy Bogues another one. I do remember that Spud lad. Did he win the Slamdunk competition once?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Balboa on October 30, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 03:08:08 PM
Have to say there is hardly a sport in the world that i wouldn't watch apart from WWF but thats hardly a real sport is it ? But i really could never get into Basketball,Maybe because im only 5ft8"  and i felt inferior but i just can't take to it at all

Do any of youse remember Spud Webb, 5ft 7 and could dunk the shit out of it......

You a mind reader Balbao i was about to ask what was the name of the basketball player who was around 5ft 6 or 7 and who used to win the Dunking competetions
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:13:28 PM
Earl Boykins of the Milwaukee Bucks is a very very handy player - and he's only 5'5

and who can forget Spud Webb - all 5'7 of him winning the Slam Dunk contest back in the day

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CitnrHyoONU
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:13:56 PM
great minds lads

:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:16:17 PM
How about this dunk 'featuring' Spud Webb..

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZWDyn5-CA (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZWDyn5-CA)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 03:25:19 PM
man, that Nate Robinson dunk was unreal, has an inch or 2 to spare as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 30, 2007, 03:26:03 PM
Jesus that was some leap ,now if only he came over to mayo as promised in 2006 instead of staying for that bloody Dunk competion that 56 year wait for sam would be over ,sure he wouldn't give Donaghy a touch of a ball ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:28:04 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=B3x17ICa4JQ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on October 30, 2007, 03:36:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 02:56:54 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

That was probably a Knuckle baller throwing that type of pitch. The ball looks like it is in slow motion but it actually jumps all over the place, very difficult to hit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 30, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
Ah yeah, I thought 5Sams meant a big high lob like in softball. Those Knuckleballers are cat altogether. Tim Wakefield was great at them...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=13u6aU2yR5k (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=13u6aU2yR5k)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 03:49:18 PM
there's some sidearm pitchers now that look like it's coming underarm
Title: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 04:09:20 PM
I think this is what I saw!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eephus_pitch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Corporal on October 30, 2007, 05:22:40 PM
Heading to New York for a week in March time shortly after Easter and heading to see the Knicks' home game against the Miami Heat, cannot wait!!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on October 30, 2007, 05:37:54 PM
been to 3 baseball games and everyone has had a grand slam in them...great aul craic and serious amout of beer drunk b4 the 7th inning cut off!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 30, 2007, 06:49:32 PM
I go to about 6 Milwaukee Bucks games a year and they are great craic. TV does not do the NBA justice however.

Favre is amazing even at 38 years old and he is probably the third best QB in the league this year with Manning and Brady Being one  and two.

College basketball is far superior in terms of interest and the NCAA is the best sporting competition in America by far in either professional or collegiate sports.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 07:18:43 PM
Isn't there a sport could be American but might not,Where the players of which there are two i think who are in a arena similar to a handball/squash court and they have what i can only describe as long wooden bats shaped like a gondola and with this they fire a ball at the wall and the other fella has to catch it in his stick and fire it back at the wall...
Or have i finally got one electric shock to many and my brain has turned to mush  ???

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
That's Jai Alai

It's mainly spanish though I think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on October 30, 2007, 07:31:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
That's Jai Alai

It's mainly spanish though I think

Good man Gab so I'm not going crazy....
Here is a better description on Wiki,Where it is described as "the fastest game on earth"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jai_alai

Also here is a youtube of said sport

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfByJcWY4r4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stpauls on October 30, 2007, 07:36:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2007, 07:23:50 PM
That's Jai Alai

It's mainly spanish though I think

sounds like the scene from the movie Tron, where he is playing the game to try and survive in the cyber world!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 30, 2007, 07:54:07 PM
SAFE ESCAPE, AND NOT FROM CAVAN FOOTBALL

The superlative performances of Cavan's Paul Brady and Cork's Tony Healy at the Simple Green US Open of Handball in California last week have been deservedly applauded.

Brady's victory and Healy's thirdplace finish in the tournament with a first prize of $25,000 have lifted the profile of the sport in Ireland. The presence of a former American footballer in the doubles portion of the competition, however, spawned the most headlines Stateside.

Jake Plummer was an NFL quarterback for 10 years. At the end of last season, he walked away from the Denver Broncos and the sport, leaving behind an annual salary in excess of $8m. His reasons were simple. He wanted to get out before he had incurred so many heavy hits from linebackers that he'd be in pain for the rest of his life. With the financial freedom of a rich 32-yearold, Plummer returned to his native Idaho and threw himself back into his "rst love: handball. That was the game his father . . . a state champion . . . had passed onto him and his brothers as kids. "After going to his tournaments as kids, hanging around and watching him play, we all eventually started playing. I'm the worst of the bunch. My brother Eric has won numerous state titles and my other brother Brett, won the Idaho singles title last year. But I've been playing a lot more lately."

Club football in Cavan may be hairy at times. But at least Paul Brady doesn't have to worry about onrushing linebackers.



From the sunday tribune, did plummer really 'walk' away from an $8m contract? lotta bucks to leave behind...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 02:56:54 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

5 Sams
Sounds like the pitcher threw a Knuckle Ball Pitch  (real name). The pitcher grips the ball with his knuckles just above the finger nail and lets loose.
The rotation that comes from this pitch is insane, it can drop or move left/right more than 12 inches. But the real problem with the pitch is control, half the time you don't where the ball is going to end up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 01, 2007, 01:19:42 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.

Brilliant,

trevor Welsh and Aidan Cooney and a load of lads squeezed in behind a desk
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Don on November 01, 2007, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 02:56:54 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

5 Sams
Sounds like the pitcher threw a Knuckle Ball Pitch  (real name). The pitcher grips the ball with his knuckles just above the finger nail and lets loose.
The rotation that comes from this pitch is insane, it can drop or move left/right more than 12 inches. But the real problem with the pitch is control, half the time you don't where the ball is going to end up.

Tim Wakefield of the Red Sox one of the last remaining few guys that pitch this way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on November 01, 2007, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: Don on November 01, 2007, 03:49:41 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2007, 08:06:21 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on October 30, 2007, 02:56:54 PM
I remember watching a pitcher in a Major League game throwing a high looping ball that dropped right on top of home plate and the batter couldnt get near it. Has anyone else seen this or was I dreaming??

5 Sams
Sounds like the pitcher threw a Knuckle Ball Pitch  (real name). The pitcher grips the ball with his knuckles just above the finger nail and lets loose.
The rotation that comes from this pitch is insane, it can drop or move left/right more than 12 inches. But the real problem with the pitch is control, half the time you don't where the ball is going to end up.

Tim Wakefield of the Red Sox one of the last remaining few guys that pitch this way

is that the pitch that El duque Hernandez does ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2007, 05:08:04 PM
I think Hernandez has the knuckleball in his repertoire, but it's not his only pitch. I think he is more of a standard pitcher, although he has a huge high leg kick before the pitches. He has a nasty, nasty curveball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on November 01, 2007, 05:13:27 PM
El Duques curve ball is quality, seen him in action last summer...not many hit one of his curvers on the inside!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2007, 05:16:14 PM
It's one of the class things in baseball, watching a big league hitter absolutely frozen stiff, or better yet buckling at the knees, when he faces a brutal curve ball. Some of them are just nasty. the ability/inability to hit a curveball / breaking ball is probably the biggest differentiator between someone who is going to make a career as a hitter in the majors, and someone who is destined for a life of minor league bus trips.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 01, 2007, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.

will this effect sky sports showing live games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 01, 2007, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 01:06:30 PM
I see TV3 have got the Irish rights to the NFL.  Great news I though until I seen their "NFL Game Day" show is not on until 12:15am.  Too bad they couldnt put it on at a better time and try to get people interested in the sport.  Also they wont be showing any live games as far as I know, well other than the Superbowl in Arizona.

will this effect sky sports showing live games?

No, not that I know of anyway.  I'd watch it on Sky Sports before TV3 anyway, knowing TV3, it will be a poor effort, Sky do a very good job imo.  Not that it matters because I dont think TV3 will be showing any other full matches anyway, think they are only showing the highlights show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 01, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
I think we are pretty spoilt as regards NFL action on Sky, 2/3 live matches, NFL Network several times a week,Americas Game on Saturday morning etc. A long way from an hours highlights on Channel 4 all those years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 11:19:45 PM
Quote from: Balboa on November 01, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
I think we are pretty spoilt as regards NFL action on Sky, 2/3 live matches, NFL Network several times a week,Americas Game on Saturday morning etc. A long way from an hours highlights on Channel 4 all those years ago.

We are spoilt.  That NFL show thats on Tuesday to Saturday, Highlights show on Monday and Tuesday, that "Who Is" show, some playbook show and as you say Americas Game, which I rarely get to see but is very interesting.  Sky are doing a great job, even if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 01, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 01, 2007, 11:19:45 PM
Sky are doing a great job, even if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.

He tries so hard to be American in his mannerisms. Gary Imlach is much more at ease with, well, not being American.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 02, 2007, 10:03:31 AM
Quoteeven if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.

I thought it was just me. Deisach is right - he tries too hard to be a yank.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 02, 2007, 10:06:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 02, 2007, 10:03:31 AM
Quoteeven if that Nick Halling lad annoys me for some reason.

I thought it was just me. Deisach is right - he tries too hard to be a yank.

Aye he is a bit of a pleb, ,Mike Carlson, who used to be on Channel 5 is far better, there isnt really anything he doesent know and he is pretty funny.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2007, 10:07:56 AM
Definitely not you. It's one of the reasons I use the red button, to skip to the other game whenever he opens his pie hole. It's one thing I love about NASN, no faux-yank British commentators or analysts, just the normal American pre-game and post game studios and guests. It's not exactly Opening night at the Paladium either, but at least they are Yanks, talking to Yanks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 02, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
I saw the big furry fellow, Cecil on Sunday.

Who was the other tool they used to have on last year as an analyst, he was terrible, Jesse or somthing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 02, 2007, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: turk on November 02, 2007, 11:30:57 AM
I saw the big furry fellow, Cecil on Sunday.

Who was the other tool they used to have on last year as an analyst, he was terrible, Jesse or somthing

Ther big furry fella isnt too bad because he played the game he can give a bit of insight, he was an Offensive Lineman i think. Kevin Cadle is an absolute balloon, you get at least 5 times a show when his autocue breaks down and he just stares at the camera...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:56:53 PM
ANYWAY!!!!

More Importantly, This weekend.

Indianapolis Colts Vs New England Patriots

Brady Vs Manning

Moss Vs Harrison

Unbeaten Vs Unbeaten

I cant wait!!!

Slightly favour Patriots. Colts are beating everyone whereas Patriots have detroyed everyone. But Colts have won this duel the last 3 times. I think this will come down to creating serious pressure on the QB. the WR are almost impossible to cover. And dont worry too much about the running game. Get in Brady or Mannings face and force mistakes. Not easy against 2 solid O-Lines but thats all they can do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2007, 01:04:02 PM
Is it in Indy this weekend? I think it is. I actually fancy the Colts. When you've been blowing out everybody, sometimes it's hard to win a close game. I think it could be high scoring though. I'll say Indy 35 - 31
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 02, 2007, 01:23:49 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?

Watched the show last night and its just a straight show from America showing highlights.  Whether TV3 will have their own show with their own people I doubt it very much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 02, 2007, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?

i think Nick Halling is a good commentator,
Him and Kevin Cadle do a good job  in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 02, 2007, 01:54:21 PM
I like Kevin and Nick aswell.

Remember when itv had the superbowl. they had martin johnson and some lad that played for the philadelphia eagles in the studio. Johnson was an excellent analyst. He was pointing out about the strengths and weaknesses of the offensive line, bad play calling etc and stuff you might not have noticed. Yer man from the eagles, he looked like yer man out of outkast, and didn't have much to contribute. i can't think of his name
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on November 02, 2007, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 02, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
Nick Halling: ugh, when I heard him say while commentating on a Bengals game he said "TJ Whosyamama" for TJ Housmanzadah. I almost got sick. Give it up lad. Cant wait to see TV3's coverage, just for a laugh. wonder will they do an ITV (John Barnes!, Gabby, Martin Johnson). Is it on air yet?

Whosyamama is a pet name Chad Johnson gave TJ a while back so Halling probably thought he was being funny by repeating it. Unfortunately #85 is a hard act to follow.

Title: PGA Tour
Post by: magickingdom on November 02, 2007, 09:14:47 PM
the patriots have covered the spread in every game this year (+5 this w/e) so go hit the bookies!

pga q school is on this w/e also and if anyone wants to follow bray's keith nolan's effort to get a card its here

http://pgatq.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgatq7/event/pgatq713/contest/1/leaderboard.htm?sort=place

he's in good shape after 3 rounds - tied 9th. top 26 plus ties get to the 2nd stage (3 stages in all)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 04, 2007, 04:04:56 PM
big game is on sky sports 2 tonight at 9.15. heard on newstalk that 'total access' in the states did a non-stop 36 hour build up! heres a 2 min 50 sec one..


http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803db328
Title: Re: PGA Tour
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 02, 2007, 09:14:47 PM
the patriots have covered the spread in every game this year (+5 this w/e) so go hit the bookies!

pga q school is on this w/e also and if anyone wants to follow bray's keith nolan's effort to get a card its here

http://pgatq.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgatq7/event/pgatq713/contest/1/leaderboard.htm?sort=place

he's in good shape after 3 rounds - tied 9th. top 26 plus ties get to the 2nd stage (3 stages in all)

I am a patriots fan and have been for many years, they are the best team ever in my opinion and if they did manage to win tonight they will go undefeated in all likelyhood.

That said the Colts are brilliant themselves and I see them beating the Pats today, probably by a field goal, this will be some kind of game, a high scoring affair will suit the Patriots better than the colts.

Prediction. Colts 24 Pats 21.
Title: Re: American sports thread.
Post by: Puckoon on November 04, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
Quote from: stew on November 04, 2007, 04:13:00 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 02, 2007, 09:14:47 PM
the patriots have covered the spread in every game this year (+5 this w/e) so go hit the bookies!

pga q school is on this w/e also and if anyone wants to follow bray's keith nolan's effort to get a card its here

http://pgatq.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/pgatq7/event/pgatq713/contest/1/leaderboard.htm?sort=place

he's in good shape after 3 rounds - tied 9th. top 26 plus ties get to the 2nd stage (3 stages in all)

I am a patriots fan and have been for many years, they are the best team ever in my opinion and if they did manage to win tonight they will go undefeated in all likelyhood.

That said the Colts are brilliant themselves and I see them beating the Pats today, probably by a field goal, this will be some kind of game, a high scoring affair will suit the Patriots better than the colts.

Prediction. Colts 24 Pats 21.

Im a fatalist fan myself when my teams are playing, but I cant see anyone beating the patriots. Brady is just immense this year. Randy moss, Vrabel, all in all too much firepower.
Ill stand to be corrected in a couple of hours however. Hopefully not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 04:28:42 PM
At the start of the year I put a hundred on the Pats to win the superbowl and the Red sox to win the World series. When I found saw that the Celtics picked up ray Allen I knew they were going to break the bank to get Garnett so i stuck a hundred on them as well, they will take some stopping.

No matter what happens i am up money and who knows, the way the Bruins are going Boston could hold all four titles in the four top sports, how great would that be. 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 04, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
The Pats are playing great at the minute but it will be hard to keep this level up until the Superbowl, peaked too early? Also Moss has not exactly excelled in the playoffs to date.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 04, 2007, 04:38:44 PM
Hey, Stew,

How come you're so taken with Boston?  Thought you were in Wisconsin.

BTW, the Buckeyes handed it to the Badgers yesterday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 05:52:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 04, 2007, 04:38:44 PM
Hey, Stew,

How come you're so taken with Boston?  Thought you were in Wisconsin.

BTW, the Buckeyes handed it to the Badgers yesterday.

I am but when I got married we emigrated and lived in Salem, Mass for a couple of years until i got sick and had to go home. I saw the great celtic team play, Bird, McHale, The Chief, DJ and Danny Ainge, what a privilige that was.

The packers dont impress me much but I like to see them win, the daughter loves the pack.

as for the Buckeyes, they didnt do much until halfway through the third quarter and injuries killed the badgers. I would be a badgers fan and love the basketball team but with my kid going to Milwaukee in all likelyhood I will have to switch allegiances and become a UWM fan. :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 04, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 04, 2007, 09:53:27 PM
Hell of a start, only 3 points in the first quarter but both teams are knocking lumps out of each other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2007, 11:02:19 PM
The officials are fecking this game up! they are homers, that call on the pats was a disgrace, the pass inteference one, it only cost them three points but in a game like tis that could be the difference maker.

These two teams are probably the best two teams ever to meet in the regular season. Amazing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 04, 2007, 11:06:46 PM
bad call there, having said that the colts defence are all over brady... some game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 04, 2007, 11:55:08 PM
I may still stand corrected!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 05, 2007, 12:07:45 AM
Patriots will win this game.

Wes Walker is a better addition to the team then Moss.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 05, 2007, 12:10:48 AM
Been keeping tabs on this one on Yahoo(!). The detail on those game trackers on American websites is incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 02:28:23 AM
Nick Halling predicts the Pats to go 19-0.

Whats wrong with the Broncos this year, 3-5 and got a right hammering against the Lions... :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 02:33:42 AM
Quote from: deiseach on November 05, 2007, 12:10:48 AM
Been keeping tabs on this one on Yahoo(!). The detail on those game trackers on American websites is incredible.

Noticed that on the NFL website.  Shows every little detail of every play on every drive.

Anyone watching Cowboys/Eagles now?  Cowboys lead 14-7 and have just got the ball back, McNabb throws an interception.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on November 05, 2007, 04:29:33 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 02:33:42 AM
Quote from: deiseach on November 05, 2007, 12:10:48 AM
Been keeping tabs on this one on Yahoo(!). The detail on those game trackers on American websites is incredible.

Noticed that on the NFL website.  Shows every little detail of every play on every drive.

Anyone watching Cowboys/Eagles now?  Cowboys lead 14-7 and have just got the ball back, McNabb throws an interception.

Ya I watched it play-by-play on nfl.com as well. Eagles don't look at all good this year, I wonder did the Andy Reid fiasco affect them that much?

Just watched the highlights of Adrian Peterson against the chargers, he is unreal. What a draft pick by the Vikings. He's guaranteed Offensive rookie of the year already.

Good to see the Falcons back to winning ways but Leftwich is badly needed instead of Harrington.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2007, 04:41:30 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 02:28:23 AM
Nick Halling predicts the Pats to go 19-0.

Whats wrong with the Broncos this year, 3-5 and got a right hammering against the Lions... :o

Whats wrong with the lions!!! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 05, 2007, 02:07:43 PM
Lions are playing great, happy for them, they're no longer the whipping boys of the NFL. Packers won again too. Brett Farve, Superbowl, Final Year??????

Anyone else notice the cold handshake Tony Dungy got from Bill Bellichick after the game. I think after he got fined for cheating he's got pissed off and is wrecking revenge on the league, ie running up late scores. But still dont know what he'd have against Dungy, he seems a reasonable guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2007, 02:59:53 PM
Bill Bellichick isnt renowned for his manners juice. Hes a great coach, but hes not a nice man by all accounts. He would have had the same reaction before the cheating scandal.

Yesterday however was the first time Ive seen him not wearing that grey hooded sweatshirt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
he was inside the Dome  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 05, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
Big win for the Pats last night especially as if both teams keep winning it could mean they have home-field advantage when they most likely play the Colts again in AFC championship game on January 20.

For most the game the Colts were the ones making the running but the Pats hung in there and when they got the scent of blood in the 4th quarter they were brutally efficient in closing the game out. The Colts had enough of the game though that will make them believe they can beat the Patriots but it won't be easy if they have to travel to Boston to do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 05, 2007, 03:57:27 PM
I dont tknow if it is going to be the procession to the Super Bowl for the Patriots that people think. Indy are not too far away from them and will have a fully fit Marvin Harrison to come back. As for Bellichick, i think he is just a grumpy f*cker with everyone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 04:07:29 PM
The Pats will lose their next game - mark my words
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 05, 2007, 04:21:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 04:07:29 PM
The Pats will lose their next game - mark my words

At the Bills? I don't see it but you never know.

QuoteI dont tknow if it is going to be the procession to the Super Bowl for the Patriots that people think. Indy are not too far away from them and will have a fully fit Marvin Harrison to come back. As for Bellichick, i think he is just a grumpy f*cker with everyone.

I can't see anyone other than the Colts beating the Pats to be honest and now they may well have to go and do it in Boston as well. They could still do it though.

The Cowboys look pretty good but they are not at the level of the other two just yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2007, 04:48:19 PM
I thought the Colts would win a tight game, and it looked as if I was going to be right for a long time. That was a crucial one for the Pats to pull out though. As mentioned, they should get home field for the playoffs now, I can't see them losing twice between now and week 17. They'd have to do that and the Colts win out for the Colts to have the home field because of the head to head tiebreaker.

Marvin Harrison would have made a difference there last night, the Colts were in scoring range a few times where another WR threat would have been a big help. Gonzalez getting banged up early didn't help matters either. The Patriots are a class act though in fairness, at least on the field. Between Maroney, Falk, Watson, Moss and Welker they have a pile of weapons. Wes Welker reminds me of Wayne Chrebet of the Jets a few years ago. Underrated but lethal at getting the important catches. He's a great runner as well though.

Last night could have been a seminal moment in the destination of the Superbowl I think. If the Patriots do keep winning, I can't see anyone going to Foxboro and beating them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 04:57:44 PM
the big question is - who is the sacrificial lamb coming out of the NFC to play them in the Superbowl?

Cowboys? Giants? Packers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 05, 2007, 05:01:43 PM
I hope its the packers, and I hope by some miracle of fate that favre throws a bomb in the last minute of regulation for a packers come from behind win! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 05, 2007, 05:44:12 PM
I'm an Eagles fan - they are crap this year but I am still an Eagles fan - T.O's TD celebration had me screaming at the TV last night!
Pats had a great win, tough physical game - great to watch Brady v Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 06:34:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 04:57:44 PM
the big question is - who is the sacrificial lamb coming out of the NFC to play them in the Superbowl?

Cowboys? Giants? Packers?

I'd say it will be the Cowboys.  Dont rate the Giants, they lost to both the Cowboys and the Packers and who of any worth have they beaten? Redskins, Eagles, Jets, Falcons, 49ers and phins.  None of those teams are having much of a season other than maybe the 'skins.  Still not sure about the Packers either.  Saints seem to be back on form with four straight wins but I still think it will be the Cowboys.  Dosnt really matter though, no team in the NFC are anywhere close to the top two in the AFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 05, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 04, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org




anyone got a link to a clip of that? havent been able to find it anywhere...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 06:51:07 PM
here ya go - it was only on the NFL website

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803debd0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 04, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org



thejuice, are you involved in this, do you play yourself?  Seems interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 05, 2007, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 06:51:07 PM
here ya go - it was only on the NFL website

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803debd0

thanks for that. unbelievable!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 05, 2007, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 04, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org



thejuice, are you involved in this, do you play yourself?  Seems interesting.

I played for the Dublin Dragons for a few years before I moved across the water. Played for the college over here and am hoping to join up with the local team here. Its a bollox trying to balance playing GAA and Gridiron though. They either clashing or your just too broke up to play. Teams are openly recruiting are setting up flag football for the youngsters. When I move home again I will line out for the Dragons unless by then there is a team in the Royal county.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on November 05, 2007, 07:58:04 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 05, 2007, 02:07:43 PM
Lions are playing great, happy for them, they're no longer the whipping boys of the NFL. Packers won again too. Brett Farve, Superbowl, Final Year??????

Anyone else notice the cold handshake Tony Dungy got from Bill Bellichick after the game. I think after he got fined for cheating he's got pissed off and is wrecking revenge on the league, ie running up late scores. But still dont know what he'd have against Dungy, he seems a reasonable guy.

Dungy compared Belichick to Barry Bonds after the spygate affair. Overall, I think Dungy is just too sweet to be wholesome. BB in fairness went over and did the perfunctory handshake and 'great game Tony' bit but you know he was not one of his many fans.

Overall, as an ex Boston ex-Pat myself, I am sooo psyched to use the local parlance about the Patriots. Won good money on them when I backed them on 2001 before the snow game against the Raiders (thank you tuck rule). Have been a big fan since in how they do business more than anything else. I knew they would get moss to toe the line, but he is an incredible athlete, now that he locked in as a disciple..

Indy can beat them in the AFC decider, but I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

Allen drained an overtime 3 for the C's in Toronto last night... They look good, dont think they will win no. 17 but they could win the east this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2007, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: GY Joe on November 05, 2007, 07:58:04 PM
Allen drained an overtime 3 for the C's in Toronto last night... They look good, dont think they will win no. 17 but they could win the east this year.

watched the game - it was very scrappy - we were lucky enough to take it to overtime.
that being said - Boston with the big 3 could go far - but only if they all avoid injury as your bench is wafer thin
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 05, 2007, 08:31:17 PM
What about them Browns? Brady Quinn will not be starting this year. I dont think any time has been as poor in the last 7 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 05, 2007, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 05, 2007, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 04, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
Record 109 yard touchdown run, San Diego on a Short Field Goal. Ridiculous catch at the back of the End Zone. 14-14 vs Vikings. Damn good game. Adrian Peterson is fantastic. Hope he's on your fantasy team. Vikes QB Jackson out of the game with concussion. Went in hard on a scramble instead of sliding.

In other news the Irish American Football League is hoping to have 12 fully kitted teams competing next season. compared to last years nine. Game is growing and growing in Ireland. Get into it!!

www.irish-american-football.org



thejuice, are you involved in this, do you play yourself?  Seems interesting.

I played for the Dublin Dragons for a few years before I moved across the water. Played for the college over here and am hoping to join up with the local team here. Its a bollox trying to balance playing GAA and Gridiron though. They either clashing or your just too broke up to play. Teams are openly recruiting are setting up flag football for the youngsters. When I move home again I will line out for the Dragons unless by then there is a team in the Royal county.

Is it hard to get into?  Like you know the way if you never played soccer before you could still go out there and get the hang if it pretty easily, and in a way its the same with hurling and football.  Is it different with American Football?  It seems like it would be pretty hard to get the hang of, I was wondering because I wouldnt mind giving it a go, but have no experience or anything but there seems to be a few teams out there looking for players.  Any advice?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 06, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
Sorry GY Joe, but what do you mean by this??

Quotebut I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

The Patriots may well go 19-0, and if they do in these days in the NFL it will be an unreal achievement, but how would that justify giving 2 fingers to anybody? They got caught rotten cheating. Belichick can count himself lucky he wasn't suspended for the season, or that the Patriots didn't forfeit at least that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 06, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
RE:Galwaybhoy

(I wouldnt say hurlings easy to get the hang of  :P , not for a Meath man anyway)

There are a team setting up in Galway if your still living there. Think they're in the city. Its not too hard to get into, if you already know how the game is played from TV, ie the different roles and positions. JUst as long as you know the general rules, i think most important is understanding the Holding rule and the Offside rule. there the ones that catch the beginners out the most. the other most important thing is to listen to the coaches and also you'll be given a play book, and you must learn it in your spare time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 06, 2007, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 06, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
RE:Galwaybhoy

(I wouldnt say hurlings easy to get the hang of  :P , not for a Meath man anyway)

There are a team setting up in Galway if your still living there. Think they're in the city. Its not too hard to get into, if you already know how the game is played from TV, ie the different roles and positions. JUst as long as you know the general rules, i think most important is understanding the Holding rule and the Offside rule. there the ones that catch the beginners out the most. the other most important thing is to listen to the coaches and also you'll be given a play book, and you must learn it in your spare time.

Well I'd know the main rules of the game, but wouldn't know much tactical wise.  I dont play any sport at the moment and would be interested in giving this a go, but dont fancy joining a team where everyone else has huge experience of the sport, but if teams are willing to train beginners then I would love to try it out.  Ya I heard there was a team setting up in Galway, I'm an hour from the city but I would have no problem driving in and out.  Might look it up further.  Thanks for the information juice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on November 06, 2007, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
Sorry GY Joe, but what do you mean by this??

Quotebut I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

The Patriots may well go 19-0, and if they do in these days in the NFL it will be an unreal achievement, but how would that justify giving 2 fingers to anybody? They got caught rotten cheating. Belichick can count himself lucky he wasn't suspended for the season, or that the Patriots didn't forfeit at least that game.

Granted they were caught cheating. When I say the NFL  I mean the establishment, other coaches, NFL management, some media etc. They were caught, but dont tell me other teams have not being doing it. The attempt to call into question the Pats other 3 SB wins, to somehow tarnish them has given BB his causes belli (whatever the latin term is for reason to attack) and he is doing it with relish. The US media, are now painting them as the evil empire like the Yanks, I'd say he enjoys that to be honest. Like I sais, I like the way they operate. I dont thhink that taping signals gave them the edge in 3 SB seasons, but I think BB is going to prove it with interest going 19 and oh... Watch and enjoy..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 06, 2007, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 06, 2007, 11:34:04 AM
Well I'd know the main rules of the game, but wouldn't know much tactical wise.  I dont play any sport at the moment and would be interested in giving this a go, but dont fancy joining a team where everyone else has huge experience of the sport, but if teams are willing to train beginners then I would love to try it out.  Ya I heard there was a team setting up in Galway, I'm an hour from the city but I would have no problem driving in and out.  Might look it up further.  Thanks for the information juice.


No team would turn anyone away, irrespective of knowledge, fitness or size. every year people start out without any experience of the game, I've trained with lads who didnt have a clue what they were at. If you've watched the game, or play Madden on your PS2 or whatever, you know as much as anyone who goes out for the first time. By the way its played to NCAA rules and not NFL rules.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 06, 2007, 05:22:42 PM
good intro here:
http://www.expertvillage.com/interviews/learn-beginner-football.htm

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 06, 2007, 07:57:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
Sorry GY Joe, but what do you mean by this??

Quotebut I hope they go 19-0 so BB can extend the middle finger to the NFL in style..

The Patriots may well go 19-0, and if they do in these days in the NFL it will be an unreal achievement, but how would that justify giving 2 fingers to anybody? They got caught rotten cheating. Belichick can count himself lucky he wasn't suspended for the season, or that the Patriots didn't forfeit at least that game.

seen this on a couple of threads but dont really know the story. what did bellichick and the pats do?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2007, 08:03:34 PM
they apparently had someone videotaping the Oppositions defensive coach and seeing what plays he was planning
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 06, 2007, 08:59:26 PM
thats hardly cheating as we'd know it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 06, 2007, 09:34:25 PM
well except that the coaches signal the plays in every time, patriots learn their signals and know what plays are coming next, its cheating...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2007, 09:16:17 AM
Anyone see James Harrison for Pittsburgh on Monday night. While I wouldnt say he single handedly ruined the Ravens offensive drives he had a big part to play in the Steelers big win. The hit he dealt out on Ed Reed on the punt return was cool. Also Willis McGahee took himself out of the game trying to block him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 07, 2007, 09:17:30 AM
Exactly. In a game like American football, this is one of the bad ones. Everyone knows that American Football is largely driven by players executing plays called in by coaches, and not a lot of improvisation unless a play breaks down. If the Patriots had taped and learned the Defensive Coaches hand signals into the defensive team, then they could simply radio the QB to tell him - this is a blitz, this is a cover 2, this is a zone blitz etc etc. It's very serious, in terms of the 'spirit of the game'. It's like in baseball where it is seriously frowned upon for a batter to try and look down to sneak a peak at the catcher's signals to the pitcher.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 07, 2007, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2007, 08:03:34 PM
they apparently had someone videotaping the Oppositions defensive coach and seeing what plays he was planning
The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating. There was no way that they could video the plays, check what the opposition were doing, radio it to a coach and then onto the field, in time for Brady to actually do anything with it. The only way it would have worked would have been if the opposition had used the same signals for the same plays, the following year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2007, 09:02:56 PM
Quote from: SammyG on November 07, 2007, 05:02:20 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2007, 08:03:34 PM
they apparently had someone videotaping the Oppositions defensive coach and seeing what plays he was planning
The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating. There was no way that they could video the plays, check what the opposition were doing, radio it to a coach and then onto the field, in time for Brady to actually do anything with it. The only way it would have worked would have been if the opposition had used the same signals for the same plays, the following year.

They'll play the Jets again this year, but its not like they need to cheat, I could beat the Jets. But seriously, it helps them recognise plays, so when the same play is called again, Brady could be informed, I might not be a whole defensive formation but it might be the secondary coverage that could be given away by recording the signals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 07, 2007, 09:06:50 PM
The only thing may stop Pats going 16-0 is playing Giants in Meadowlands who may have a playoff place on the line and Pats may be resting some starters.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 07, 2007, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: SammyG on November 07, 2007, 05:02:20 PM
The reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating.
Sources: Goodell determines Pats broke rules by taping Jets' signals (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3014677)
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has determined that the New England Patriots violated league rules Sunday when they videotaped defensive signals by the New York Jets' coaches, according to league sources.
The NFL has a rule against taping the opposing teams sideline. The Patriots broke that rule. A good word to describe the act of breaking the rules is cheating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on November 08, 2007, 10:12:19 AM
Quote from: Balboa on November 07, 2007, 09:06:50 PM
The only thing may stop Pats going 16-0 is playing Giants in Meadowlands who may have a playoff place on the line and Pats may be resting some starters.....

As long as the Patriots remain unbeaten they won't be resting anybody. The perfect season has only happened once in the NFL so they will want to equal it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2007, 10:13:20 AM
QuoteThe reason nothing was done is that (while it was underhand and a bit sneaky) it wasn't cheating. There was no way that they could video the plays, check what the opposition were doing, radio it to a coach and then onto the field, in time for Brady to actually do anything with it. The only way it would have worked would have been if the opposition had used the same signals for the same plays, the following year.

Sammy, I thought they taped them in other games beforehand as well?

In anycase, the hand signals from the sideline are usually quite limited. They don't be nearly as complex as the offensive signals or playcalls that come in. It wouldn't take a long time to ascertain the basic hand signal for cover 2, zone blitz, fake blitz, all out blitz or whatever. I bet within 2 defensive series, the Patriots could have given Brady a fairly good heads up as to what the defense was going to run in general.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2007, 12:15:51 PM
I reckon the Steelers will give the Pats a good game, even in Foxboro, if its a cold wet day Steelers might as well be at home, and it'll be early december so there'll be a good chance of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 07:35:10 PM
Can the New England Revolution keep the Boston sports bandwagon rolling?

They play in the MLS Eastern Conference final tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 08, 2007, 07:56:30 PM
American sports = football, baseball, basketball

ice hockey  & American soccer = non events...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 08:08:35 PM
basketball = Canadian  :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 08, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
interesting article in todays times by george kimball on the 'cheating' pats. them colts aint no angels either...


While cruising to their NFL-best 9-0 record this season, the Patriots have been the subject of much disapprobation. After a Patriots operative was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive signals during a September game at the Meadowlands, the league fined coach Bill Belichick a record $500,000 and owner Robert Kraft $250,000 and ordered the forfeiture of the Pats' number one pick in next spring's NFL draft.

The episode continues to cast a pall over what has been a dramatically successful New England march through the schedule. With seven games to play, the Patriots are 9-0 and would appear to have a reasonable chance of posting the second perfect record in NFL history. But some, including Don Shula, the Hall of Fame coach whose 1972 Miami Dolphins went 17-0 to set the standard, have suggested that were this year's New England team to top that feat, the achievement would be so tainted by "Cameragate" it should be marked with an asterisk, like Barry Bonds's home-run record.

While Shula's intimations of "cheating" were widely circulated, it might be noted that the legendary coach offered no criticism of Belichick's refusal to call off the dogs in the Redskins game. After all, those 17 Miami wins in 1972 included a 52-0 victory over the Patriots.

Last Sunday, however, the tables were turned. It was not Belichick, but Tony Dungy, the straight-arrow, Bible-quoting Indianapolis coach, and the defending world champion Colts who stood accused of playing fast and loose with the rules - first by jamming the transmission of the coach-to-quarterback signal to Tom Brady's helmet, and then by ratcheting up the already-deafening crowd noise at Indianapolis's RCA Dome by electronically pumping in artificial crowd noise. "I can tell you that from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback (transmission) was basically useless," groused Belichick after the game. "We had to use hand signals to send in the plays."

In what was advertised as the most hotly anticipated regular-season game in NFL history, Brady rallied the Patriots from a 10-point deficit to a 24-20 win, but at the beginning of the fourth quarter television viewers were jolted out of their seats when the boisterous voice of the crowd abruptly segued into a whirring noise that would be familiar to anyone whose CD player has skipped. It seemed plain the home team had been caught enhancing the volume.

Since the RCA Dome is generally considered one of the more hostile environments in the nation, many wondered why the Colts had bothered. As with the Patriots' sideline camera, it was not as if they needed help.

The Patriots lodged a protest with NFL security. But a day later the league absolved the Colts, suggesting the glitch had been the result of a malfunction in the CBS television truck.

Readers can judge for themselves. The "unusual audio moment" is available at http://ballhype.com/story/indy_cheats/. It promises to be the most-viewed sporting YouTube moment since a sideline cameraman caught Mark Mangino using the F-word more than a dozen times in a sideline tirade directed at one of his players two months ago.

© 2007 The Irish Times
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 08, 2007, 09:12:49 PM
Another question for American sports geeks. Why was the Patriots going for a touchdown on a fourth down when they were thirty-something points ahead such a source of anger? Is there some unwritten rule that you only go for field goals when the game is well and truly won?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 08, 2007, 09:16:24 PM
Quote from: deiseach on November 08, 2007, 09:12:49 PM
Another question for American sports geeks. Why was the Patriots going for a touchdown on a fourth down when they were thirty-something points ahead such a source of anger? Is there some unwritten rule that you only go for field goals when the game is well and truly won?

There is generally a feeling of disrespect when it appears as though a team is running up the score against another team. Some people suggest that a team winning so heavily should use its replacements at that point. Bellichicks answer when asked if they were purposely running up the score was classic. Paraphrased it went something like this:
'We're 36 points up, what do you want us to do? Kick a fieldgoal?"

The redskins coach said that he had "no problems with anything the patriots did"

btw, If im a geek, its not because I like american sports. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 09:17:34 PM
it was seen as disrespectful and running up the score.

Imagine you were playing a GAA team who scored 4-5 in the first 10 minutes and they kept on going for goals thoughout the game - instead of easing off and taking points - would you be pissed off?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 08, 2007, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 09:17:34 PM
it was seen as disrespectful and running up the score.

Imagine you were playing a GAA team who scored 4-5 in the first 10 minutes and they kept on going for goals thoughout the game - instead of easing off and taking points - would you be pissed off?

I dont buy that viewpoint, especially in america with the amount of money spent on players. I might be pissed off, but I couldnt in good conscience have any issue with the team we were playing. Id be more pissed off at my own team.  Any redskin fan who was pissed at that, is just looking at excuses outside of their own teams poor performance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 08, 2007, 09:58:03 PM
I dont see why people have a problem with "running up the score", if you dont like it do something about it. American sport is obsessed with apperaring "classy". I know anytime we have been hurling and we start to pull away from a team you want to beat them by as many as possible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2007, 09:59:50 PM
I don't see the problem with it either
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 08, 2007, 10:17:41 PM
liverpool scored 8 the other night and no one had a problem with it, dont mention kilkenny in the hurling and come to think of it mayo people didnt make a big deal out of it these past few years either! (and before anyone jumps on me kerry got walloped by meath not that long ago). seriously tho imagine the sackings that would happen if a team eased up.. and somehow lost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2007, 10:25:57 PM
I was just about to mention the Cats there magickingdom. I have no problems whatsoever with the beatings they hand out to people when they can, even the 31 point drubbing we got off them a few years ago. In a strange sort of way I think it shows *more* respect to the other team rather than less.

The great thing about it, as the optimist, is that when we seriously start to challenge Kilkenny, and even start beating them again, we will know that every time we play them they are trying to beat us by as much as they can. It's a proper yardstick you can measure yourself against because you can trust them to always beat you by whatever they are able to beat you by.

If I was playing the Patriots, and I felt they were easing off the gas to spare me embarrasment, I would be more insulted and upset with them. Do the best you can, always. Winning by 10, or losing by 10, keep going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 08, 2007, 10:39:24 PM
I remember Kilkenny were playing Antrim in the NHL a few years ago and were running up a ridiculous score, something like 3-31, it actually could have been a lot worse because apparentley the Kilkenny forwards were clean through for goals and were tapping it over the bar, basically they took pity on the Saffrons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 08, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 08, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
interesting article in todays times by george kimball on the 'cheating' pats. them colts aint no angels either...


While cruising to their NFL-best 9-0 record this season, the Patriots have been the subject of much disapprobation. After a Patriots operative was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive signals during a September game at the Meadowlands, the league fined coach Bill Belichick a record $500,000 and owner Robert Kraft $250,000 and ordered the forfeiture of the Pats' number one pick in next spring's NFL draft.

The episode continues to cast a pall over what has been a dramatically successful New England march through the schedule. With seven games to play, the Patriots are 9-0 and would appear to have a reasonable chance of posting the second perfect record in NFL history. But some, including Don Shula, the Hall of Fame coach whose 1972 Miami Dolphins went 17-0 to set the standard, have suggested that were this year's New England team to top that feat, the achievement would be so tainted by "Cameragate" it should be marked with an asterisk, like Barry Bonds's home-run record.

While Shula's intimations of "cheating" were widely circulated, it might be noted that the legendary coach offered no criticism of Belichick's refusal to call off the dogs in the Redskins game. After all, those 17 Miami wins in 1972 included a 52-0 victory over the Patriots.

Last Sunday, however, the tables were turned. It was not Belichick, but Tony Dungy, the straight-arrow, Bible-quoting Indianapolis coach, and the defending world champion Colts who stood accused of playing fast and loose with the rules - first by jamming the transmission of the coach-to-quarterback signal to Tom Brady's helmet, and then by ratcheting up the already-deafening crowd noise at Indianapolis's RCA Dome by electronically pumping in artificial crowd noise. "I can tell you that from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback (transmission) was basically useless," groused Belichick after the game. "We had to use hand signals to send in the plays."

In what was advertised as the most hotly anticipated regular-season game in NFL history, Brady rallied the Patriots from a 10-point deficit to a 24-20 win, but at the beginning of the fourth quarter television viewers were jolted out of their seats when the boisterous voice of the crowd abruptly segued into a whirring noise that would be familiar to anyone whose CD player has skipped. It seemed plain the home team had been caught enhancing the volume.

Since the RCA Dome is generally considered one of the more hostile environments in the nation, many wondered why the Colts had bothered. As with the Patriots' sideline camera, it was not as if they needed help.

The Patriots lodged a protest with NFL security. But a day later the league absolved the Colts, suggesting the glitch had been the result of a malfunction in the CBS television truck.

Readers can judge for themselves. The "unusual audio moment" is available at http://ballhype.com/story/indy_cheats/. It promises to be the most-viewed sporting YouTube moment since a sideline cameraman caught Mark Mangino using the F-word more than a dozen times in a sideline tirade directed at one of his players two months ago.

© 2007 The Irish Times

I was  watching that NFL show on Sky Sports yesterday and this came up.  The Colts done nothing wrong, the TV channel that showed the game have said it was some sound problem on their part.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 08, 2007, 10:47:59 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 08, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 08, 2007, 09:01:45 PM
interesting article in todays times by george kimball on the 'cheating' pats. them colts aint no angels either...


While cruising to their NFL-best 9-0 record this season, the Patriots have been the subject of much disapprobation. After a Patriots operative was caught videotaping the New York Jets' defensive signals during a September game at the Meadowlands, the league fined coach Bill Belichick a record $500,000 and owner Robert Kraft $250,000 and ordered the forfeiture of the Pats' number one pick in next spring's NFL draft.

The episode continues to cast a pall over what has been a dramatically successful New England march through the schedule. With seven games to play, the Patriots are 9-0 and would appear to have a reasonable chance of posting the second perfect record in NFL history. But some, including Don Shula, the Hall of Fame coach whose 1972 Miami Dolphins went 17-0 to set the standard, have suggested that were this year's New England team to top that feat, the achievement would be so tainted by "Cameragate" it should be marked with an asterisk, like Barry Bonds's home-run record.

While Shula's intimations of "cheating" were widely circulated, it might be noted that the legendary coach offered no criticism of Belichick's refusal to call off the dogs in the Redskins game. After all, those 17 Miami wins in 1972 included a 52-0 victory over the Patriots.

Last Sunday, however, the tables were turned. It was not Belichick, but Tony Dungy, the straight-arrow, Bible-quoting Indianapolis coach, and the defending world champion Colts who stood accused of playing fast and loose with the rules - first by jamming the transmission of the coach-to-quarterback signal to Tom Brady's helmet, and then by ratcheting up the already-deafening crowd noise at Indianapolis's RCA Dome by electronically pumping in artificial crowd noise. "I can tell you that from a functional standpoint, the coach-to-quarterback (transmission) was basically useless," groused Belichick after the game. "We had to use hand signals to send in the plays."

In what was advertised as the most hotly anticipated regular-season game in NFL history, Brady rallied the Patriots from a 10-point deficit to a 24-20 win, but at the beginning of the fourth quarter television viewers were jolted out of their seats when the boisterous voice of the crowd abruptly segued into a whirring noise that would be familiar to anyone whose CD player has skipped. It seemed plain the home team had been caught enhancing the volume.

Since the RCA Dome is generally considered one of the more hostile environments in the nation, many wondered why the Colts had bothered. As with the Patriots' sideline camera, it was not as if they needed help.

The Patriots lodged a protest with NFL security. But a day later the league absolved the Colts, suggesting the glitch had been the result of a malfunction in the CBS television truck.

Readers can judge for themselves. The "unusual audio moment" is available at http://ballhype.com/story/indy_cheats/. It promises to be the most-viewed sporting YouTube moment since a sideline cameraman caught Mark Mangino using the F-word more than a dozen times in a sideline tirade directed at one of his players two months ago.

© 2007 The Irish Times

I was  watching that NFL show on Sky Sports yesterday and this came up.  The Colts done nothing wrong, the TV channel that showed the game have said it was some sound problem on their part.

Actually I see it says that in the article, I would have noticed if I had bothered to read the end of it. ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 11, 2007, 12:07:01 AM
Huge and I mean Huge upset today in NCAA Football

University of Illinois 28  Ohio State 21

The Buckeyes came into the game as the number one team in the country and left flabergasted and pissed off.

Go ILLINI.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 11, 2007, 02:58:43 AM
I don't follow the college football too closely but I hear that there is a crazy amount of upsets this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 11, 2007, 12:07:01 AM
Huge and I mean Huge upset today in NCAA Football

University of Illinois 28  Ohio State 21

The Buckeyes came into the game as the number one team in the country and left flabergasted and pissed off.

Go ILLINI.



The buckeyes didnt leave anywhere, they got beaten at home - by unranked opposition. :o Was a great game.

The seeding system is strange over here, but so far, the number 1 team, and 4 teams who were at a time ranked number 2, have all been beaten by unranked opposition. USC being beaten by stanford might have been the upset of the season so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2007, 08:45:04 PM
St Louis and the Dolphins are looking like they're about to win a game this weekend. Rams are kickin the sheet out of the Saints. Phins are tied with Buffalo 10-10. Packers are 34-0 up on the Vikings. Peterson sadly cant repeat last weeks performance. The Pack just got the most comical of touchdowns. Brett throws a pass short and 2 Vikes go for it, coliding with each other and sending the ball up in the air to be caught easily by the intended WR waiting in the end zone.

Pity the Irish have fallen so much. 1-9 such a bad season they're having.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 08:59:53 PM
Great performance by Favre and the packers, but the much vaunted run defence of the vikings has been missing today. Greenbay have had a field day on offence, even with the run game. 4 or 5 shovel passes by Favre, play fakes galore - was enjoying it immensley until fox switched coverage to a more competitive game.
Redskins at home to the eagles. Brian westbrook touchdown run with 3 minutes left on the clock for the eagles to take the lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2007, 09:07:43 PM
Saints have pulled the game back. scored 22 points in the 4th qtr. need a TD and 2 point conversion to tie. will be some comback if they do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2007, 09:08:40 PM
............but they didnt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 09:19:35 PM
Not leavin the sofa all day. Hope this giants/cowboys game lives up to its billing.


Edit: So far so good. Tony Curtis touchdown, assuming the extra point - 7-0 cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 11, 2007, 09:36:45 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 03:58:51 PM


The seeding system is strange over here, but so far, the number 1 team, and 4 teams who were at a time ranked number 2, have all been beaten by unranked opposition. USC being beaten by stanford might have been the upset of the season so far.

does anyone actually understand it? last year was a bit of a mess...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 11, 2007, 10:29:46 PM
Ah well,same old Browns. Had a chance to beat Steelers and blew it, Anderson threw for 3 TD's but only 127 yards. He has to be the biggest surprise of the year and if he keeps this play up the Browns may have to think of trading Brady Quinn for a 1st Round pick next year as they need help on defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 11, 2007, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 09:19:35 PM
Not leavin the sofa all day. Hope this giants/cowboys game lives up to its billing.


Edit: So far so good. Tony Curtis touchdown, assuming the extra point - 7-0 cowboys.


17-17 at half-time. Good game so far but a few schoolboy penalties.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 11:38:44 PM
Quote from: SammyG on November 11, 2007, 10:40:29 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 11, 2007, 09:19:35 PM
Not leavin the sofa all day. Hope this giants/cowboys game lives up to its billing.


Edit: So far so good. Tony Curtis touchdown, assuming the extra point - 7-0 cowboys.


17-17 at half-time. Good game so far but a few schoolboy penalties.

Her indoors kicked me out to walk the dogs. Plus the neighbours dog. That makes 3. >:(

Back now, king of the sofa once again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on November 12, 2007, 11:46:27 AM
What a catch!! Crazy game, will take it though!!



(http://signonsandiego.lamphost.net/albums/071111colts/JBchgInd279440x108.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 12, 2007, 12:54:45 PM
that game was crazy last night

after 10 minutes Rivers was 0 for 3 but still leading 16 nothing

:D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 12, 2007, 09:22:20 PM
crazy game? what about them colts 23-0 down and come back to 21-23... they got a new streak going now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 13, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
Saw this online this morning and looked pretty cool

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=684920

QuoteHOW IT WAS DONE: Using time-lapse photography, Journal Sentinel photographer Tom Lynn offers a day in the life of a game at Lambeau Field. Tom began by stationing a Canon EOS Mark II digital camera, mounted with a 16mm lens, atop the southwest corner of the stadium, encapsulating the entire bowl of the stadium with the field at its core. Powered by an external battery pack, the camera automatically fired every 20 seconds, shooting from 9:45 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., capturing the stadium as it filled with fans, as the game unfolded, and as the stadium emptied. The entire process captured 1,194 total images, which have been compressed into this two-minute video.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 16, 2007, 08:30:59 PM
things have taken a turn for the worst for barry bonds... (about time too)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7097583.stm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 17, 2007, 01:38:15 AM
Big game for Nevada tonight against BCS bowl and Heismann candidates Hawaii and Colt Brennan.


LETS GO WOLF PACK LETS GO
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 17, 2007, 08:51:10 AM
7 seconds on the clock, Hawaii hit a 45 yard field goal to win by two points. Granted their second string quarterback was playing, but still it would have been nice to beat them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 17, 2007, 04:33:02 PM
Buckeyes @ Wolverines in a half hour  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 17, 2007, 04:39:42 PM
Do you think the wolverines can cause an upset?

Some season for notre dame, ESPN billed the loser of their game with Duke as "The worst team in the country"
Some fall from grace.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 17, 2007, 04:44:54 PM
Michigan have been awful this season - can't see it changing today

Re: ND - they've a team full of freshmen and juniors

wait to you see them in 2 years time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 18, 2007, 10:37:08 PM
Anyone hoping the Skins do one on the Cowboys. I dont dislike the Cowboys I just want the Skins to win.

Indy just scrapped by the Chiefs with a FG in the last 3 seconds.
The Packers do it again.
The Phins threatened to upset their perfect season but the Eagles made sure
100yard interception by browns vs Ravens

4 QBs with over 300 passing yards on the losing side
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 18, 2007, 11:02:25 PM
I would say they were on the losing side because they were shasing the game, i take it none of them had a 100 yard rusher in the game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 18, 2007, 11:03:29 PM
Id have to say the Cowboys are in my top three of least favourite teams, added to the fact that I liked the redskins as a kid, I can only hope for one result here. The greenbay machine keeps on rollin' with the battle of the two oldest quarterbacks ever to play together in NFL history.


Gabriel, Michigan were awful yesterday, shocking way for the coach to go out.

Boston college came from behind well to beat clemson in a decent second half last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 18, 2007, 11:35:44 PM
What a good weekend of sports:

The Buckeyes beat Michigan

The Browns beat Baltimore

Crossmaglen survived Dromore
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2007, 11:49:53 AM
Brady had 5 TD's last night, anyone know what his total for the season is now. Im guestimating about 37-38, reckon he could end up with about 50+. And the only player who could come close to that again is Brady himself, if the talent he has around him stays on for another season.

And if he did pull off more than 50+ TDs, and win a Superbowl, would that make him the best QB ever. Or would any QB as good or almost as good being surrounded by as much talent. Dan Marino made the Dolphins achieve more than they should have I feel. and still held the TD record for a long time. But 4 Superbowls is hard to argue with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 19, 2007, 11:51:56 AM
4 superbowls in the modern era would be very hard to argue with. I can't help feeling though that the likes of Randy Moss, Ben Watson, Wes Welker etc make a great quarterback look even better.

I'd still rank Joe Montana and possibly John Elway ahead of Brady at the moment, but not by much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 19, 2007, 12:09:11 PM
I never thought anybody would be better than Montana but Brady is getting very close. If he can go 19-0, then the discussion is over, he will be the greatest QB ever. Also he's only just turned 30, so he has another few good years left. By the time he retire he could have set records that will never be equalled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 19, 2007, 12:51:40 PM
Quote from: SammyG on November 19, 2007, 12:09:11 PM
I never thought anybody would be better than Montana but Brady is getting very close. If he can go 19-0, then the discussion is over, he will be the greatest QB ever. Also he's only just turned 30, so he has another few good years left. By the time he retire he could have set records that will never be equalled.

Best team perhaps, Brady does not play Defense or Special Teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 12:56:27 PM
The astonishing thing (well, one of many) about Brady is that he was the 199th pick in the draft and only made it into the team because Drew Bledsoe was injured. As the Americans would say, go figure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2007, 01:55:29 PM
Quote from: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 12:56:27 PM
The astonishing thing (well, one of many) about Brady is that he was the 199th pick in the draft and only made it into the team because Drew Bledsoe was injured. As the Americans would say, go figure.

Its all down to hard work. Supposedly does alot of extra hours training and examining plays and opposition. I know there are alot of people out there who dont like him, due to publicity(esp, the one where he slept with 3 super models, at the same time or on seperate occasions i dont know, lucky bastard) but everything he's got he's worked for and the reason he's that damn good is down to his work ethic.

If anyone watches America's Game on Saturday morning, there was a great piece on the Pats when they won thier first SB, Brady was still very much not rated nor were the Pats. Brady found his coaches QB notes, it had the run-down on him and Bledsoe and whoever else was on the roster but for Brady they had a long list saying, "He's too slow" "doesnt read the game quickly enough" and so he took it on himself to speed up his game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
Another one for you fellas who understand gridiron (ye should probably charge me a consultancy fee): what was so improbable about Brady's moving the ball into field goal range at the end of his first Super Bowl win? I've read about it a lot but it still doesn't make sense to me . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 19, 2007, 02:09:15 PM
Brady is the second best quarterback of all time behind Favre. i am no packer fan but favre has destroyed all records and brady is on pace to eclipse even him.


Montana was a great player on a great team, to me he is fourth all time behind Elway and brady and Favre. Favre has not often had the surrounding cast in his time but he is a natural born winner and I have never seen his equal.

manning would be 5th at this stage, the game between the two big guns this year proved that Brady, although not at his best could still get the job done whereas manning has sputtered since and the team is struggling.

Favre has an average packeer team 9-1 at age 38, now that is amazing but Brady is the leagues best player by a country mile. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 19, 2007, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
Another one for you fellas who understand gridiron (ye should probably charge me a consultancy fee): what was so improbable about Brady's moving the ball into field goal range at the end of his first Super Bowl win? I've read about it a lot but it still doesn't make sense to me . . .

Several factors went into this. they were playing a juggernaut in St Louis and were expected to get hammered, he was up against the clock and had only one time out left, he had to throw the ball wide so the receivers could step out of bounds to stop the clock and he marched upfield to give Vinateiri a chance to win it for them.

I am a pats fan and always have been, what was more amazing to me was the win in the AGFC championship game against the raiders, that will forever be the cornerstone thatdefines Brady's greatness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 02:07:05 PM
Another one for you fellas who understand gridiron (ye should probably charge me a consultancy fee): what was so improbable about Brady's moving the ball into field goal range at the end of his first Super Bowl win? I've read about it a lot but it still doesn't make sense to me . . .

They had no time-outs left I believe - they moved down the field in 90 seconds
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 19, 2007, 02:21:04 PM
Alright deiseach. Excuse my usual long windedness.

Brady's drive in that game was noteworthy because he brought them from their own 17 yard line to the Rams 30, which was 53 yards, in 1 minute 17 seconds, with no timeouts under intense pressure. When you are operating with no timeouts, it is incumbant on the QB to make big plays because, unlike college football, the clock will not stop unless the receiver goes out of bounds with the ball under his own power, i.e. runs out of bounds to stop the clock, or else with a penalty or incomplete pass. Obviously too many incomplete passes means you won't make the requisite yards, while penalties will back you up.

Also, in that situation, a running play is more or less off the radar, because the defences will likely tackle the man in bounds, thus running time off the clock as the ball is reset, people get in position etc. So, to recap, under intense pressure in the last minute of a Superbowl, Brady had to throw passes which would allow his receiver get out of bounds after the catch, while the Rams defence were waiting for this to happen.

It was a supreme piece of play-calling, execution and clock management. When they reached the 30 with his last pass, a 16 yarder to Wiggins, Wiggins never got out of bounds, so Brady had to hurry his lads up to the line, get them all set and spike the ball (intentional incomplete pass, with no sack threat) with about 3 seconds left. For a young man in his first Superbowl, it was ice cool and a fantastic drive.

There have been other brilliant Drives to win Superbowls, Montana had one against Cincinatti I think, when he marched up the field to win the game on a pass to Taylor, if I remember rightly, but none with such a raw QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:26:33 PM
You are correct about that Montana drive AZ - it's still shown on some sport shows here as one of the best moments in NFL history
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
and here's the drive itself

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QtktAeu2tQQ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 19, 2007, 02:28:21 PM
Long windedness is good. Thanks for that, AZ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 19, 2007, 02:29:49 PM
I think AZoffaly covered everything I was going to say. The big thing about it is, the defense know that your options are limited at this stage. They wont have to worry about stopping the run so much, can back off a bit and make sure the sidelines are well covered. For a guy playing in his first Superbowl, its even more remarkable. Most lads would cack themselves. It was reminiscent of Kevin Foleys goal against the Dubs in 91  ;D

Two great QBs of the future were on display last night. Tony Romo and Jason Cambell. Romo is reminding me of Brett Favre, Cambell could have led the Skins to an unlikely win but for some rookie errors and great pressure from Ware at DE for the Cowboys. Cambell doesnt have a target like Terrell Owens that Romo has, not that the Skins WR corps are bad, Randel -El and McCardell are good players but not like TO where its nearly always a serious mis-match. (By the way does anyone think TO has changed, he is preaching being a team-player and thanking God, but did hint at being "under-apprechiated". Does that translate into "Im not getting paid enough" or what)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
I'm a Brady fan, mostly because he's been winning me money this year, however I think that brady has a huge advantage over every other quarterback in the league right now, his receiving unit is unbelievable. It is so far ahead of every other team in the league its not funny. This is not an argument against Brady, some of his play this year has been great (the faked spike made me laugh out loud)however if you look at a group of maybe 5/6 others there's maybe not as much in it. Favre has been great this year, but he has ridden his luck many times for game winners, peyton has had huge numbers of passes dropped by mediocre receivers, and his number one target is injured. Big ben is playing very well and his pocket play is improved no end. Romo is having a laugh, similar story to brady plucked from obscurity and now likely to make at least the nfc championship game (helps that he has TO on form). And just to add a controversial one, Eli Manning, palying in the goldfish bowl that is the Giants obsessed new york media, he came in as the number one pick and refused to play for the team that drafted him, forcing a trade to new york. Has dealt well with coaching and is having a great year despite crap receiving unit and a poor offensive line. Tikki barber opening his giant mouth about eli was the best thing to happen to him all year.
So to summarise (finally) Tom Brady best QB in the league? Maybe, just maybe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 19, 2007, 04:08:12 PM
Quote from: stew on November 19, 2007, 02:09:15 PM
Brady is the second best quarterback of all time behind Favre. i am no packer fan but favre has destroyed all records and brady is on pace to eclipse even him.


Montana was a great player on a great team, to me he is fourth all time behind Elway and brady and Favre. Favre has not often had the surrounding cast in his time but he is a natural born winner and I have never seen his equal.

manning would be 5th at this stage, the game between the two big guns this year proved that Brady, although not at his best could still get the job done whereas manning has sputtered since and the team is struggling.

Favre has an average packeer team 9-1 at age 38, now that is amazing but Brady is the leagues best player by a country mile. ;D

Stew, you absolutely nailed my own opinion right on the head. Favre has done most of his record breaking on his own. Imagine if he had Bradys receiving options for one or two seasons past.

For me Brady is a born winner, when you watch him make a small mistake, he reacts like its the biggest mistake in the superbowl. He fights against himself and his will to succeed and win has played a large part in him becomming on of the best all  time quarterbacks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 19, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
I'm a Brady fan, mostly because he's been winning me money this year, however I think that brady has a huge advantage over every other quarterback in the league right now, his receiving unit is unbelievable. It is so far ahead of every other team in the league its not funny. This is not an argument against Brady, some of his play this year has been great (the faked spike made me laugh out loud)however if you look at a group of maybe 5/6 others there's maybe not as much in it. Favre has been great this year, but he has ridden his luck many times for game winners, peyton has had huge numbers of passes dropped by mediocre receivers, and his number one target is injured. Big ben is playing very well and his pocket play is improved no end. Romo is having a laugh, similar story to brady plucked from obscurity and now likely to make at least the nfc championship game (helps that he has TO on form). And just to add a controversial one, Eli Manning, palying in the goldfish bowl that is the Giants obsessed new york media, he came in as the number one pick and refused to play for the team that drafted him, forcing a trade to new york. Has dealt well with coaching and is having a great year despite crap receiving unit and a poor offensive line. Tikki barber opening his giant mouth about eli was the best thing to happen to him all year.
So to summarise (finally) Tom Brady best QB in the league? Maybe, just maybe


Brady is light years ahead of everyone else this year, he is on pace to destroy the most coveted record in football and his td to interception ratio is incredible. He has a tremendous wr unit but this is the first year he has ever had such a potent unit and his first two superbowl wins were won with average wide receivers.

Forget the best in the league........maybe and see him for what he is and what he will be if he wins it all again this year, the best ever qb in NFL ever.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 19, 2007, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
I'm a Brady fan, mostly because he's been winning me money this year, however I think that brady has a huge advantage over every other quarterback in the league right now, his receiving unit is unbelievable.

It is this year. Previously though the Pats have had a fairly modest set of receivers but Brady still won Superbowls with them. I don't think he's the flashiest QB ever or even the most naturally gifted but the guy is just a machine. No QB works harder than he does. None of them are as smart as he is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Quotethe best ever qb in NFL ever

Brady may well achieve more than any other QB ever in the NFL, bit does that make him the best ever? For me best ever is most talented, not who achieves the most in the league. Maurice Fitz was way better than Pat Spillane, but Pat has more medals. better example may be (and this from an Armagh man) Frank McGuigan and Justin McNulty, Justy has a celtic cross in his pocket, doesn't make him the better player...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on November 19, 2007, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Quotethe best ever qb in NFL ever

Brady may well achieve more than any other QB ever in the NFL, bit does that make him the best ever? For me best ever is most talented, not who achieves the most in the league. Maurice Fitz was way better than Pat Spillane, but Pat has more medals. better example may be (and this from an Armagh man) Frank McGuigan and Justin McNulty, Justy has a celtic cross in his pocket, doesn't make him the better player...

Well, Heganboy, at some point you have to get off the fence on this. Yes, there maybe were QBs who are more talented than Thomas Brady. There is an argument that Manning is better, and I can see why they say that, for the long bomb, he is the man. Sweet pinpoint passes that look gorgeous. But I think that what lads are saying here i.e "iceman, machine, smart, presence, calculations..."  etc etc etc should really tell you that the man is more than the sum of his parts. He is the best.

Its been great for me this year as a Boston sports fan to see the level of interest in the NFL and in particular Brady and the Pats because from the day he came in for Bledsoe, I just thought that this kid had 'something'. And that Superbowl winning drive that AZ described against the Rams was incredible for a rookie. Remember John Madden saying that they should spike the ball and look to win in OT!!!
I happen to think that last year was his best season.. up to now anyway,  Pioli and Belicheck recognised that and got him the bullets that his guns deserved and you see the results.
The American press in General still didnt rate Brady after that 2001 win, I could not get over that lack of excitement about a guy who I thought was unreal. Doesnt matter what sport you follow, class usually distinguishes itself and from day one he had class written all over him... The best bit, he just keeps getting better..

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 19, 2007, 07:29:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2007, 02:27:25 PM
and here's the drive itself

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QtktAeu2tQQ

that was class, montana, rice, taylor and bill walsh all legends. i was lovin it till 4.30 in and who do i see but steve young ahHHHH! the greatest qb ever (brady has a bit to go) and the most overratted qb ever on the one team...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 02:11:02 AM
Blistering start by denver here. 14-0 5 mins left in first quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2007, 04:33:30 AM
Quote from: heganboy on November 19, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Quotethe best ever qb in NFL ever

Brady may well achieve more than any other QB ever in the NFL, bit does that make him the best ever? For me best ever is most talented, not who achieves the most in the league. Maurice Fitz was way better than Pat Spillane, but Pat has more medals. better example may be (and this from an Armagh man) Frank McGuigan and Justin McNulty, Justy has a celtic cross in his pocket, doesn't make him the better player...

Heganboy montana had arguably the best receiver to play the game in his prime, it is only this year that Brady has had a team of studs and he has been amazing. he has three rings so far, will win a fourth this year and he is only 30. This guy has it all, he is a lot like Favre, not flashy but a tremendous force out there where it matters most. between the ears, and he is better than Favre by far in that category.

This is a golden era for quarterbacks in this league. manning is phenominal as is Favre and Brady, Romo is coming along nicely and there are several really young quarterbacks that are top notch.

The packers have a man on deck who will be as good as any out there in two yers time. aaron rogers, you heard it here first. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 11:49:40 AM
Jason Cambell from the Skins is going to be a great QB. Its quite funny when you look at all the last no 1 draft picks that were QBs. Some of the m raise a few eyebrows.

2007 JaMarcus Russell         Oakland Raiders
2006 Mario Williams             Houston Texans
2005 Alex Smith                 San Francisco 49ers
2004 Eli Manning                San Diego Chargers
2003 Carson Palmer            Cincinnati Bengals
2002 David Carr                 Houston Texans
2001 Michael Vick               Atlanta Falcons
2000 Courtney Brown         Cleveland Browns
1999 Tim Couch                Cleveland Browns
1998 Peyton Manning         Indianapolis Colts
1997 Orlando Pace             St. Louis Rams
1996 Keyshawn Johnson     New York Jets
1995 Ki-Jana Carter             Cincinnati Bengals
1994 Dan Wilkinson            Cincinnati Bengals
1993 Drew Bledsoe            New England Patriots
1992 Steve Emtman           Indianapolis Colts
1991 Russell Maryland           Dallas Cowboys
1990 Jeff George                 Indianapolis Colts
1989 *Troy Aikman              Dallas Cowboys  
1988 Aundray Bruce              Atlanta Falcons
1987 Vinny Testaverde         Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1986 Bo Jackson                  Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1985 Bruce Smith                 Buffalo Bills
1984 Irving Fryar                  New England Patriots
1983 *John Elway               Baltimore Colts
1982 Kenneth Sims             New England Patriots
1981 George Rogers            New Orleans Saints
1980 Bill Sims                      Detroit Lions
1979 Tom Cousineau            Buffalo Bills
1978 *Earl Campbell              Houston Oilers
1977 Ricky Bell                     Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1976 *Lee Roy Selmon         Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1975 Steve Bartkowski         Atlanta Falcons  
1974 Ed 'Too Tall' Jones      Dallas Cowboys  
1973 John Matuszak            Houston Oilers
1972 Walt Patulski              Buffalo Bills
1971 Jim Plunkett              New England Patriots
1970 *Terry Bradshaw        Pittsburgh Steelers
1969 *O.J. Simpson            Buffalo Bills
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 12:17:16 PM
Dont forget Ryan Leaf, selected behind Manning, biggest bust with Couch probably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 20, 2007, 01:48:41 PM
If you go by a teams first round selection, I think the last 8 for the Chicago Bears have been cut or released by their second or third year :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 01:57:56 PM
The Browns drafted Couch and Courtney Brown, both first overall picks, now out of the league (Brown was with Broncos last year, they cut him), Jeff Faine was a first round pick, cut. William Green was also cut, i think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 02:52:33 PM
Quote from: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 01:57:56 PM
The Browns drafted Couch and Courtney Brown, both first overall picks, now out of the league (Brown was with Broncos last year, they cut him), Jeff Faine was a first round pick, cut. William Green was also cut, i think.

Wonder will Brady Quinn get a look in at all, Anderson is doing a good job. Is Charlie Frye still on their roster??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2007, 02:56:58 PM
Frye is backing up Matt Hasselback in Seattle now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
how many quarterbacks are available for draft each year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 20, 2007, 02:59:48 PM
I saw an interesting article on ESPN that they may look into trading Quinn for a 1st Round pick in the '08 draft as Quinn would be rated higher than any QB's that are due to be in the '08 draft, so they would go with Anderson and use the pick to help their woeful defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:11:55 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
how many quarterbacks are available for draft each year ?

Theres no limit on them. Just a limited number of good ones. Of all the players that leave college only a small fraction end up in the NFL and fewer still become successful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2007, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
how many quarterbacks are available for draft each year ?

That depends on how many are good enough to make an NFL roster. It varies from year to year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
What happens all the players that don't make the nfl there must be loads of player who once their college career is over thats it no more  football for them. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2007, 03:19:50 PM
There's the Canadian Football League and the Arena Football League

More lower leagues as well - but you'll find most of them get an ordinary job
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
What happens all the players that don't make the nfl there must be loads of player who once their college career is over thats it no more  football for them. 

Some if not all will have some form of college education. Thats a requirement I think. As Ive never been in the states longer than a week I really dont know if they quit altogether, but im sure theres a senior mens league somewhere for people who want to keep playing. But I would imagine it wouldnt come close to what they'd have been used to in high school or college in terms of spectators
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
What happens all the players that don't make the nfl there must be loads of player who once their college career is over thats it no more  football for them. 

Some if not all will have some form of college education. Thats a requirement I think. As Ive never been in the states longer than a week I really dont know if they quit altogether, but im sure theres a senior mens league somewhere for people who want to keep playing. But I would imagine it wouldnt come close to what they'd have been used to in high school or college in terms of spectators

i suppose you can see why the college football is taking so seriously for most of them its their only chance to play on front of such large crowds
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
Im not sure if there is a major mens league in most or many cities for the people who finish after college. I guess they just go on to work, maybe they coach at high schools or something. One thing is for sure, any time I sit down at a poker table and come across someone who played college ball - they dont need an invitation to recount their glory days for everyone in the room. Sometimes its worth listening to, sometimes, yawn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:36:23 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
Im not sure if there is a major mens league in most or many cities for the people who finish after college. I guess they just go on to work, maybe they coach at high schools or something. One thing is for sure, any time I sit down at a poker table and come across someone who played college ball - they dont need an invitation to recount their glory days for everyone in the room. Sometimes its worth listening to, sometimes, yawn.

Texas holdem puckoon?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:37:07 PM
Just remembered, Did anyone see the video messege from Kevin Everett before the BIlls-pats game. It was a nice touch, but didnt exactly rally the troops. Good to see he's doing well. They say he'll be able to live somewhat of a normal life now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.

having a game at home this weekend with the lads looking forward to it a few drinks watch the football and not loose to much money i hope ;). Never heard of Little omaha might have to start a poker thread on the different types of games puckoon
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2007, 03:46:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 20, 2007, 03:37:07 PM
Just remembered, Did anyone see the video messege from Kevin Everett before the BIlls-pats game. It was a nice touch, but didnt exactly rally the troops. Good to see he's doing well. They say he'll be able to live somewhat of a normal life now.

Yeah - that was a nice touch - it was good to see a close-up of Teddy Bruschi as well - who had a stroke a few seasons back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.

having a game at home this weekend with the lads looking forward to it a few drinks watch the football and not loose to much money i hope ;). Never heard of Little omaha might have to start a poker thread on the different types of games puckoon

:D I mean, I play a little omaha. Not a game called little omaha. The game is just omaha, although there are varying types. :D
Best way to not lose too much money at a home game deel is to make it a tournament style. Have everyone fork over 40$ into the pot at the start, give everyone the same amount of chips, and pay the top two or three.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 20, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 20, 2007, 03:39:09 PM
Mostly deel. Little omaha now and then when I can find a game.

having a game at home this weekend with the lads looking forward to it a few drinks watch the football and not loose to much money i hope ;). Never heard of Little omaha might have to start a poker thread on the different types of games puckoon

:D I mean, I play a little omaha. Not a game called little omaha. The game is just omaha, although there are varying types. :D
Best way to not lose too much money at a home game deel is to make it a tournament style. Have everyone fork over 40$ into the pot at the start, give everyone the same amount of chips, and pay the top two or three.

:D :D :D i have you now little puckoon
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 20, 2007, 06:53:43 PM
baseball is a great card game... if you want to make/lose it all in a short time! basically its poker but you get dealt 8 cards three turned up, 3s and jokers are wild, if you get dealt a 3 turned up you must double the pot to stay in.. can be expensive if it goes wrong!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:33:07 PM
The 25th Anniversary of The Play. sometime this week.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxu9Rfm77M
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 21, 2007, 02:36:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:33:07 PM
The 25th Anniversary of The Play. sometime this week.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=YAxu9Rfm77M

what was the story with that Juice?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:42:50 PM
Stanford (in white) had just scored a TD to take the lead in the dying seconds, after completing a remarkable comeback. and that kick-off was the final play of the game. The California bears got in for a touchdown after making 5 lateral passes to keep the ball alive. The reason the Stanford band had ran onto the field was because they thought the ball had gone dead at the first tackle. I think Joe Montana or was it John Elway that was QB for Stanford that day. Im sure someone might correct me on that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 02:47:26 PM
It was elway, and he made a huge mistake. He called a timeout with 8 seconds left, for stanford to hit the winning fieldgoal. Had he ran down the clock a bit, The bears might not have been able to recover the football before the final whistle.
Great play though, its always on the top ten sporting moments over here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 02:50:53 PM
Right so it was a Field Goal not a TD. I've only seen a small video of it on TV about a year ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2007, 03:01:49 PM
It was def Elway - Montana was at Notre Dame

there was some very similar to that happen this year as well

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:05:23 PM
I just wikipediaed it, some interesting facts.

Elway for years was very very bitter about the touchdown being given to Cal, there was some debate as to whether one of the cal players was grounded before releasing the lateral pass.

One of the cal players involved in the play is now serving 45- to life for murdering his wife and 3 year old kid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 03:08:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2007, 03:01:49 PM

there was some very similar to that happen this year as well

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220

FFS, if i was on that team in purple I'd be sick. Itwas like a game of basketball the way that ball was going about.


Quote from: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:05:23 PM
there was some debate as to whether one of the cal players was grounded before releasing the lateral pass.

One of the cal players involved in the play is now serving 45- to life for murdering his wife and 3 year old kid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Play)

There you are now, for any of you who dont believe in karma!  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:23:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html)

Jets in trouble for fans abusing women and asking them to flash their breasts during games at the meadow lands.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 03:42:14 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:23:57 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312382,00.html)

Jets in trouble for fans abusing women and asking them to flash their breasts during games at the meadow lands.

In the game at wembley there  was aJets fan who got ejected for punching another spectator. That same Jets fan was beside me while the teams were coming out of the tunnell for the second half. He was shouting at Michael Strahan, calling him "a dirty f**got". I told him to give it up, but he looked at me like I was dirt,( I was  wearing a Giants top).

I dont know if the Jets have bad fans or what. But thats pretty horrible that women are goaded into exposing themselves, but worse still for any woman with some self respect who doesnt comply to be spat on or verbally abused is terrible. Cleveland Browns have a bad reputation as well I believe. Dont know if the Oakland Raiders' fans Black Hole is a spot for trouble but opposing teams generally dont celebrate too close to the spectators there. No Lambeau leaps in there unless your wearing Silver and Black, even still I wouldnt dare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 21, 2007, 03:43:40 PM
There are oakland raider fans, who are petrified of oakland raider fans. Crazy bunch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:44:48 PM
I hear the Eagles fans have a reputation too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2007, 03:47:44 PM
Philly fans are the biggest bunch of dicks in American sports  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:48:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2007, 03:47:44 PM
Philly fans are the biggest bunch of dicks in American sports  ;D

Aye so i believe, my mate worked in Philly for a few years and he said they were a shower of scumbags.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 21, 2007, 03:49:10 PM
QuoteBlinkered America is already among the thugs (http://sport.guardian.co.uk/americansports/comment/0,10160,1660848,00.html)

They like to glamorise European soccer hooligans, but nobody in US sports seems to realise that they've got a homegrown problem of their own, argues Steven Wells

The original premise for this article was to wander around Philadelphia on the day that the hated Dallas Cowboys gridiron team came to town, verbally assaulting Texans. "Who are ya?" and "Where's ya top boyz, zen?" I'd yell until my antics were noticed by Eagles hooligans who would initiate me into their "crew" - and thus start me on a journey of violence, homo-erotic male bonding and - ultimately - self-discovery. A bit like Bill Buford's Among the Thugs or that film Green Street. Only in reverse.

It didn't work out like that - not least because nobody walks around Philadelphia wearing Dallas colours. Ever. Nobody, not even a Texan, would be that insane. And that might in turn explain why I couldn't find a single hooligan - not just in Philadelphia but anywhere in the United States of America.

That's the wonder of American sports. There are fistfights, showers of beer (and faeces, canned dog food and coins), portable toilets kicked over with opposition fans inside them, knifings, deafening verbal abuse, full-scale riots, cars set alight, disabled fans stripped and their clothing destroyed, players puking because they've breathed in the pepper spray used by police to dissuade two sets of fans from kicking the sweet bejesus out of each other - and not a single hooligan in sight. Amazing when you think about it.

But first, here's a few brief extracts from America's ongoing and ever growing fascination with "soccer" hooliganism.

"We all know that in Europe you're not really considered a sports fan until you've been crushed to death against a chain-link fence," chuckles US TV satirist Steven Colbert.

"I just came from a soccer game, We got destroyed," says a beat-up looking dude in the Metro newspaper strip Girls & Sports.
"That must have been a pretty physical game," says a friend.
"Actually," says the severely bruised dude, "I was in the stands." Ba-dum-tish! (That same issue carried a 60-word article about how the city of Boston paid $5.1m to the parents of a female student killed by police during the riot that followed the Red Sox winning baseball's World Series in 2004.)

In August I saw Chelsea play Milan in Giants Stadium, New Jersey. As is usual when the soccer superpowers come to town, the atmosphere was carnivalesque. There were Chelsea and Milan, Poland, Portugal and England shirts with nobody so much as exchanging a dirty look.

Compare that to an incident at a 1980s Philadelphia Eagles game (as recounted in Jere Longman's new book about the Eagles, If Football's A Religion, Why Don't We Have A Prayer?). Two Philadelphia fans assist a fan in a wheelchair to the top of a steep ramp. They notice that he's wearing a Dallas shirt, so they turn him round and say: "Take off the jersey or you're going for a ride." The terrified Cowboy strips off his shirt - and the Eagles fans rip it to shreds.

Meanwhile, back at Giants Stadium, things do indeed turn nasty, but it's nothing to do with soccer. On the concourse, a tiny New York Giants gridiron fan spots a giant in a Phialdelphia Eagles shirt and goes nuts. "Eagles suck! How many Super Bowls you won? Huh, huh?" he yaps, spraying beer-spit everywhere, standing on tip-toes and prodding the big guy hard in the chest. The soccer fans part on either side of the increasingly violent bickering.

There's not much soul-searching about sports hooliganism within the US - and what little there is tends to focus on the behaviour of African-American basketball players rather than predominantly white football fans. For no matter how many college games end in drunken mob violence (as many do), no matter how many American city centres see running battles between sports fans and riot police, the US sports media continues to present hooliganism as something utterly un-American. (This blinkered provincialism has parallels with the 1996 decision by the US State Department to "red flag" parts of south London as no-go areas for American tourists, claiming that Millwall was as dangerous as Guatemala - which, at the time, was overrun by right-wing death squads.)

When it comes to hooliganism, the US media really is the pot calling the kettle black. Riots at US sports events occur far more frequently than they do in the UK. And yet, in American popular culture, the "hooligan" is almost without exception portrayed as a soccer fan (and nearly always as English).

Which might explain the success in the US of the movie Green Street. This, as I'm sure you know, is the story of how American Frodo Baggins is taught how to beat up idiots by a Brad Pitt lookalike West Ham hoolie with the worst cockney accent since Sir John Gielgud played Arthur Mullard in the Young Vic's disastrous 1991 stage adaptation of Yus My Dear. The US reviews of Green Street read like anthropological essays - discussions of a curious and disturbing phenomenon so utterly alien to the American way of life that it can only be understood as a quirky custom pursued by distant barbarians.

Typical of this world-view is an article by Mickey Charles on sportsnetwork.com. He starts with an overview of US sports rowdiness: "There are riots in the streets after a championship comes to town in any sport. Looting, burning cars, terrorising women and ripping their clothes off as part of the ceremony seems to have reached obscene levels ..."

But he then concludes that this is no big deal compared to the psycho-antics of those crazy Europeans. "In England ... the fans rushing on to the field don't want to embrace the players. They are carrying knotted ropes used historically for lynching, rocks, beer bottles poised to be thrown and whatever else is not nailed down. Frenzied followers of one team chase down those of the opponents, not to congratulate for a good effort, but to dismember."

The ill-informed double standard would be breathtaking if it weren't so commonplace. OK, so US sports has no equivalent of the Lazio Ultras or the ICF. But try wearing a Dallas jersey into the Eagles' "Nest of Death". Actually, don't. In 1997, Veterans stadium - the Eagles' old stomping ground - had a fully functional court inserted into its basement after a game against San Francisco saw an estimated 60 fights. The judge, who actually heard cases during the game, was seldom less than fully employed.

Things haven't been improved by the Eagles' move to their new stadium. Last year's NFC Divisional play-off game against the Minnesota Vikings saw an immense number of scraps. Vikings fan Joe Liwienski had earlier attended the much publicised "basketbrawl' game in Michigan, where Indiana Pacers basketball players shamefully rucked with Detroit Pistons fans in the stands. "This was 10 times worse," he said.

"The European hooligan thing is really overdone by the US media - it's much worse here," admits Philly sports fan Al Petrillo. "Eagles games are out of control. It's like a rite of passage, you get shit-faced drunk and out of control. The FU's start flying and then the fists start flying. There was this guy, an old guy in Redskins attire, maybe in his sixties. They roughed him up, broke his leg and sent him back to Washington."

Petrillo has also worked security at Philadelphia Flyers ice hockey games where, he claims, violence is just as rife. "Especially in the play-offs. There's fights at every game. There was this guy in a [New Jersey] Devils jersey, just sat there minding his own business. A Flyers fan walked past him then just turned around and just beat the piss out of him."

A fan of English soccer, Petrillo has attended games at Highbury and Stamford Bridge. "I didn't see anything, not a thing - zero fistfights. I even saw the coach with the opposition team arrive - nothing, no banging on the sides, nothing. In the streets before, during, after the game - I felt completely 100% safe and secure."

Meanwhile, back in Philadelphia, the clash with hated rivals Dallas is hyped in the local press - but no mention is made of hooliganism. Which is odd if only because of this tie's history. In 1981, the Eagles faithful bombarded the visiting Dallas team with snowballs - some of which allegedly contained batteries. Ex-Philadelphia mayor and current Pennsylvania State governor (and fanatical Eagles fan) Ed Rendell is widely believed to have thrown the (battery-free) snowball that smacked the Dallas coach in the head - a story that Rendell has always denied but which has done nothing to damage his electability. In 1968, Eagles fans even pelted Santa Claus with snowballs - an incident that is invariably quoted when out-of-towners try to paint Philadelphia as the NFL's equivalent of Millwall. Which, of course, they frequently do.

"The stadium is beyond civilisation," a Vikings fan told a local paper, before going on to compare the Eagles fans to the werewolves in the movie Wolfen. The Atlanta Falcons coach advised fans to dress only in green, otherwise "they'll get the shit beat out of them. They might be throwing batteries at us. They might be dumping dog shit on us," he told reporters. "It's going to be awesome".

"I have never seen a more classless, vulgar, belligerent group of jack-asses in my entire life," wrote Dolphins fan Brian Fien after 20,000 "screaming green morons" visited Miami. The reputation of the Eagles fans is so bad that, when they failed to boo a little blind boy with cerebral palsy when he faltered while singing the national anthem during a brutal snowstorm, they were congratulated by ESPN.com.

"We thrive on the fact that everybody can't stand us," Eagles fan Shaun Young told Jere Longman. "We're a bunch of filthy, dirty, nasty, drinking bums. In a sense we take pride in that. We don't want you here. We want you to be afraid to come."

Rich Burg, press officer for the Philadelphia Eagles was very concerned by this article. He refused Guardian Unlimited access to the game against the Dallas Cowboys ("we do not provide credentials for media to access our fans inside the stadium") and suggested that we write the article from the car park.

Sour grapes? Maybe. But at an Eagles game in 2002, reporters were dragged out of the stands by security for daring to talk to the fans. Which all suggests that the Eagles press office might be ashamed of fans like Shaun - the guys who pay their wages. Not that they should be. Shaun's not a hooligan. And neither are (most of) his fellow Eagles fanatics. But then neither are most English "soccer" fans. Honest.

Of course, that depends on how you define "hooligan". But sadly there's no national debate about hooliganism in the US press. There's no discussion about the wisdom of selling alcohol inside stadiums or of letting home and away fans sit together. Nobody in US sports seems to even realise that they've got a long-term, deeply rooted and entirely homegrown hooligan problem.

Whenever American football fans riot or ice hockey fans beat the hell out of one another, whenever the supporters of basketball or baseball teams go on a cop-taunting, car-torching, window-smashing victory spree, the violence is invariably treated as a local disturbance or an historical anomaly. And whenever college football fans engage in riotous behaviour that would be considered a national scandal if it happened in Britain (as they frequently do), no one seems terribly inclined to call it hooliganism.

Meanwhile lazy US satirists compare rioting French Islamic youth to soccer hooligans, Bucky the monkey-hating cat in the nationally syndicated Get Fuzzy strip raises a chuckle by dressing up as a Hartlepool FC "English hooligan", and the Simpsons scriptwriters seem unable to mention soccer without inserting a gag about how the sport turns its supporters into mindless thugs.

The truth is that both Bill Buford and Frodo Baggins could have stayed at home to get their slumming hoolie kicks.

Meantime, I think it's time for the pot to shut the f**k up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
They are right about Millwall though, dont think its actually a place though, is Lewisham the area? My Da lives in West London and said any blacks he knows are shit scared to go near it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2007, 04:28:22 PM
Wow, that article really opened my eyes. I knew there was certain rivalries and what not, which lead to the occasional fight in the stands but didnt think it would be that bad. The worst aspect about it is the complete blind eye or acceptance of it by the media. You certainly dont see it mentioned  on NFLTA or on NFL.com

Funnily enough "fan apprechiation day" is coming up in the NFL, and to my understanding is a day where fans get a load of free stuff and get to meet players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 21, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
Quote from: Balboa on November 21, 2007, 03:56:29 PM
They are right about Millwall though, dont think its actually a place though, is Lewisham the area? My Da lives in West London and said any blacks he knows are shit scared to go near it.

Your right Balbao Millwalls football ground is in lewisham my dad used to live there 30 odd years ago along with a lot of irish ,went back for a funeral 2 years ago and couldn't get over the pace rough is not the word. Lewishams most famous son is probably rio ferdinand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 22, 2007, 06:43:26 PM
Favre is owning the Lions atm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 22, 2007, 09:09:01 PM
Yeah, its like their scoring on every drive.

New team being set up in Roscrea Co. Tipp for the Irish League. currently playing 8 a side.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 22, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
Green bay 10-1. Favre interviewed:

Interviewer: "Ok Brett, admit now on national TV that greenbay at 10-1 are a good team"

Favre: 'We're not a bad team"


Man=Legend. I never have as much fun watching football as I do when he is playing and on form.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2007, 11:09:50 PM
caught the tail end of a piece on the news about a crash involving family members of a football player (i think) today. anyone got any more on that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 23, 2007, 10:36:34 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 22, 2007, 09:09:16 PM
Green bay 10-1. Favre interviewed:

Interviewer: "Ok Brett, admit now on national TV that greenbay at 10-1 are a good team"

Favre: 'We're not a bad team"


Man=Legend. I never have as much fun watching football as I do when he is playing and on form.

Yeah, he's a real down home, hilly billy, (if you saw and heard him after he broke Dan Marinos record, "Put 'er in the 'ol vice"!!!) he's a great character. When he was asked last night after the game to sum up his 300+ passing performance; "I throw it, they catch it, its nothing spectacular" was how he put it bluntly. he's just playing with a certain abandon, it seems to have just clicked for him.  Its most likey his last season and talk about going out in a blaze of glory.


but this packers team are more than just about him, they have young lads who are playing great right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on November 26, 2007, 11:04:16 PM
Sean Taylor of Washington Redskins in a coma after being shot in his home last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:41:51 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on November 27, 2007, 04:49:40 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:41:51 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?

I pity you. The Dolphins are just awful. They need a new QB so bad.

Has there ever been a 0-0 game (before overtime) in the NFL? It was looking mighty close tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 05:14:34 AM
they said there was a 0-0 game in 1942 (there was no overtime in those days though)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2007, 06:45:10 AM
Miamis quarterback actually had the better of it tonight. Infact Miami played pretty well until I fell asleep (2 mins left in the game). The bookmakers had the under in this game at 38 points combined between both teams I(as sports centre reported the torrential rain the under dropped from 42-38 (still a generous points total for a game played in those conditions) - with 9-1 against the dolphins to win (which I thought they could almost do as the game progressed)! 9-1 in a two horse race in a professional sports game appears to be very generous odds so I asked this old guy why it was so high between two professional teams. He said " You like soccer? Its like San Jose State going to play scotland" :o I didnt quite know what to say to that.
Its been almost 32 years since a team went the entire season without winning a game - miami now sit at 0-11.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on November 27, 2007, 10:01:01 AM
LT back on form gates notching up scores Rivers coming godd (all be it in 1 game) can the chargers put the start of the season behind them and challenge??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on November 27, 2007, 10:04:59 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:41:51 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?

I actually thought it was so bad that it was watchable just to see what happened next. Late in the 4th quarter neither QB had passed for 100 yards and the commentator said something like Brady gets 100 yards every two plays.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2007, 10:56:29 AM
Changing tack for a second, the weirdest NCAA Football regular season in years reaches a climax next week when the Bowl Selections are announced.  While this season has shown anything can happen, it's fairly obvious that if new numbers 1 and 2, Missouri and West Virginia, both win on Saturday, they'll be ranked #1 and #2 and thus play the BCS Championship Game.

The 'Bowl Season' is always great craic around Christmas time, and generally most teams with a winning record get invited to one or other of the many bowl games. The big ones are the BCS Bowls, ie the Fiesta Bowl, Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl and Sugar Bowl, along with the new 'BCS Championship Game'. (Up until 2006 the BCS game doubled up as one of the 4 'BCS bowls', rotating around each of them.) The Bowl games are associated with a particular place, Rose Bowl = Pasedena, Fiesta = Arizona, Sugar = New Orleans Orange = Miami. The BCS Game gets played on one of those 4 sites about a week after the Bowl Game has been played there, and rotates among the sites.

Most bowls have an arrangement with the conferences that their 1st or second or third or whatever placed team will play in their bowl game, ASSUMING they do not make one of the BCS bowls, or the BCS game itself.

The current BCS top 10 rankings are :

1 Missouri 1 2779 .9751 2 1454 .9693 25 23 24 25 25 25 .990 1 .9781 4
2 West Virginia 2 2753 .9660 1 1467 .9780 24 25 25 24 24 24 .970 2 .9713 3
3 Ohio State 3 2638 .9256 3 1383 .9220 23 24 23 22 21 23 .910 3 .9192 5
4 Georgia 4 2368 .8309 4 1232 .8213 21 17 22 23 20 20 .830 5 .8274 7
5 Kansas 6 2170 .7614 T-5 1161 .7740 22 22 16 19 23 21 .840 4 .7918 2
6 Virginia Tech 7 2164 .7593 T-5 1161 .7740 17 19 19 21 22 22 .810 6 .7811 8
7 LSU 5 2215 .7772 7 1134 .7560 20 21 21 20 18 18 .790 7 .7744 1
8 USC 9 2059 .7225 9 1073 .7153 18 20 13 14 16 16 .640 T-10 .6926 11
9 Oklahoma 8 2132 .7481 8 1126 .7507 14 10 15 13 13 17 .550 12 .6829 10
10 Florida 11 1757 .6165 11 898 .5987 15 15 18 17 17 14 .640 T-10 .6184 12

The Bowl Games for 2007 are (Some teams are already known due to their positions in their conferences etc)

San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia
Mountain West vs. Navy  San Diego  Dec. 20, 9 p.m.  ESPN HD  

R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl
Sun Belt No. 1 vs. Memphis  New Orleans  Dec. 21, 8 p.m.  ESPN2 HD  

Papajohns.com Bowl
Southern Miss vs. Big East No. 5  Birmingham, Ala.  Dec. 22, 1 p.m.  ESPN2 HD  


New Mexico
WAC vs. Mountain West  Albuquerque, N.M.  Dec. 22, 4:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Pioneer Las Vegas
Pac-10 No. 4/5 vs. Mountain West No. 1  Las Vegas  Dec. 22, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Sheraton Hawaii
WAC vs. C-USA  Honolulu  Dec. 23, 8 p.m.  ESPN  

Motor City
Big Ten No. 7 vs. MAC No. 1/2  Detroit  Dec. 26, 7:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Pacific Life Holiday
Pac-10 No. 2 vs. Big 12 No. 3  San Diego  Dec. 27, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Texas
Big 12 No. 8 vs. Houston  Houston  Dec. 28, 8 p.m.  NFL Network  

Champs Sports
ACC No. 4 vs. Big Ten No. 4/5  Orlando, Fla.  Dec. 28, 5 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Emerald
Pac-10 No. 4 vs. ACC No. 5/6/7  San Francisco  Dec. 28, 8:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Meineke Car Care
Big East No. 3 vs. ACC No. 5/6/7  Charlotte, N.C.  Dec. 29, 1 p.m.  ESPN HD  

AutoZone Liberty
C-USA No. 1 vs. SEC No. 6/7  Memphis, Tenn.  Dec. 29, 4:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Valero Alamo
Big Ten No. 4/5 vs. Big 12 No. 4/5  San Antonio  Dec. 29, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

PetroSun Independence
SEC No. 8 vs. Big 12 No. 7  Shreveport, La.  Dec. 30, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Bell Helicopter Armed Forces
Mountain West vs. Pac-10 No. 6  Fort Worth, Texas  Dec. 31, 12:30 p.m.  ESPN  

Roady's Humanitarian
WAC vs. ACC No. 8  Boise, Idaho  Dec. 31, 2 p.m.  ESPN2  

Brut Sun
Pac-10 No. 3 vs. Big 12/Big East  El Paso, Texas  Dec. 31, 2 p.m.  CBS  

Gaylord Hotels Music City
ACC No. 5/6/7 vs. SEC No. 6/7  Nashville, Tenn.  Dec. 31, 4 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Chick-fil-A
ACC No. 2 vs. SEC No. 5  Atlanta  Dec. 31, 7:30 p.m.  ESPN HD  

Insight
Big 12 No. 6 vs. Big Ten No. 6  Tempe, Ariz.  Dec. 31, 6 p.m.  NFL Network  

Outback
Big Ten No. 3 vs. SEC No. 3/4  Tampa, Fla.  Jan. 1, 2008, 11 a.m.  ESPN HD  

AT&T Cotton
Big 12 No. 2 vs. SEC No. 3/4  Dallas  Jan. 1, 2008, 11:30 a.m.  FOX  

Gator
ACC No. 3 vs. Big 12 No. 4/Big East No. 2  Jacksonville, Fla.  Jan. 1, 2008, 1 p.m.  CBS  

Capital One
Big Ten No. 2 vs. SEC No. 2  Orlando, Fla.  Jan. 1, 2008, 1 p.m.  ABC HD  

Rose Bowl presented by Citi
BCS vs. BCS  Pasadena, Calif.  Jan. 1, 2008, 4:30 p.m.  ABC HD  

Allstate Sugar
BCS vs. BCS  New Orleans  Jan. 1, 2008, 8:30 p.m.  FOX  

Tostitos Fiesta
BCS vs. BCS  Glendale, Ariz.  Jan. 2, 2008, 8 p.m.  FOX  

FedEx Orange
BCS vs. BCS  Miami  Jan. 3, 2008, 8 p.m.  FOX  

International
MAC No. 3 vs. Big East No. 4  Toronto  Jan. 5, 2008, Noon  ESPN2 HD  

GMAC
C-USA No. 2 vs. MAC  Mobile, Ala.  Jan. 6, 2008, 8 p.m.  ESPN HD  


Allstate BCS Championship Game
BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2  New Orleans  Jan. 7, 2008, 8 p.m.  FOX  



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:41:51 AM
The Steelers win 3-0 over the Miami Dolphins tonight in the MNF game

Yes folks 3 nothing - on a field goal scored with just 20 seconds to go in the game

How did I watch that crap?

After staying up Sunday night to watch the Eagles/Pats I decided not to stay up and watch this as I thought the Steelers would win handy.  Miami have a good chance to get there first victory next weekend as they play the New York Jets who are also shite.

Also sad to report that Sean Taylor died in hospital.  RIP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Oh shit!!, damn, i really like Sean Taylor. I cant believe it, he was a class player, ok not the most likeable of people perhaps, he's had his trouble but, thats awful news. He was one of the few really hard hitters in the league. RIP Sean Taylor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Anyone staying up to watch Greenbay/Dallas Thursday night?  This should be a really good game.

I see Sky are replaying NFL America's game today, how come Total access isnt being shown?  Normally a very good show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on November 27, 2007, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Anyone staying up to watch Greenbay/Dallas Thursday night?  This should be a really good game.

I see Sky are replaying NFL America's game today, how come Total access isnt being shown?  Normally a very good show.

Is "Americas Game" usually repeated, i usually watch it on Saturday morning when i get the chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 01:07:41 PM
Quote from: SeanSouth on November 27, 2007, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2007, 12:54:49 PM
Anyone staying up to watch Greenbay/Dallas Thursday night?  This should be a really good game.

I see Sky are replaying NFL America's game today, how come Total access isnt being shown?  Normally a very good show.

Is "Americas Game" usually repeated, i usually watch it on Saturday morning when i get the chance.

I dint think its usually repeated, not at this time during the day.  Normally at this time they show Total Access which brings you news from around the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 27, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
Oh shit!!, damn, i really like Sean Taylor. I cant believe it, he was a class player, ok not the most likeable of people perhaps, he's had his trouble but, thats awful news. He was one of the few really hard hitters in the league. RIP Sean Taylor.

Yeah - I liked Taylor as a player well - and apparently he was turning his life around - getting away from the whole "thug image"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2007, 03:55:42 PM
All over ESPN here this morning. I guess he was working hard - but how can you have an intruder in your house 8 days ago leaving a machete on your bed - and still be there without better security when someone comes in and shoots you? Terrible shame he didnt take better measures as I dont think it was just some random incident that has led to his death.
He was some player alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2007, 03:57:15 PM
i think Taylors death might have been the reason for Total Access being cancelled. But im only speculating.

Americas game is great, although, why is it on at the ungodly hour of 9am on a saturday. the Steelers from the 70's were great. A team full of characters, but with great talent. Terry Bradshaw, Mean Joe, Jack Lambert, Lynn Swann John Stallworth and Larry Zonga are all legends, all residing in Canton forever.

you can bet your life ill be watching Cowboys Vs Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2007, 04:09:41 PM
QuoteInternational
MAC No. 3 vs. Big East No. 4  Toronto  Jan. 5, 2008, Noon  ESPN2 HD 

I'll be heading to that

Cincinnati vs Western Michigan was a great game last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 28, 2007, 02:38:02 AM
Cowboys vs Packer Predictions

Cowboys 34  Packers 27

Romo 235yds passing 2 tds
Favre 287yds passing 2 tds 1int

Barber 116 yds rushing 2 tds
Grant  78 yds rushing 1 td

TO      103 yds rec 1 td
Witten 76 yds rec 1 td
Driver   119 yds rec 1td
Jennungs  72 rec yds 1td

Dallas D 1td 4 turnovers
GB    D        2 turnovers

PS don't like either team


 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 01:19:27 AM
Anyone up watching this now.  Just started.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 01:29:57 AM
Well I wont be f**king watching it as its only available on the NFL network station. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 30, 2007, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 01:29:57 AM
Well I wont be f**king watching it as its only available on the NFL network station. >:( >:( >:(
There is a live stream available at nfl.com
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 30, 2007, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: dec on November 30, 2007, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 01:29:57 AM
Well I wont be f**king watching it as its only available on the NFL network station. >:( >:( >:(
There is a live stream available at nfl.com
edited to add: Isn't really live coverage of the game, just talking in the studio and occasional highlights from the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 02:00:24 AM
Favre threw an awful interception.

Touchdown for the Cowboys. They lead 13-3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 02:04:50 AM
Rushing touchdown for Grant.  13-10 now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 30, 2007, 04:36:48 AM
My picks were not too far off, actually a great game tonite.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 30, 2007, 01:11:00 PM
TO's celebrations are always good.  Very good game, managed to stay fully awake for once.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 30, 2007, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on November 30, 2007, 09:32:04 PM
One thing i will say about TO is he can back it up, a lot of fellas that have done very little still mouth the way he does.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 30, 2007, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Its not so much the cockiness as the downright selfishness and divisivness he showed during the end of his time at phillidelphia.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 01, 2007, 08:15:13 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 30, 2007, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Its not so much the cockiness as the downright selfishness and divisivness he showed during the end of his time at phillidelphia.

It was interesting that Ian Allen, the Sky Sports analyst and former Eagle said quite a few of the Eagles were saying the same things that TO was about Mc Nabb but were not as outspoken as him so never said anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 01, 2007, 10:28:13 PM
One of the fellas charged with the murder of Sean Taylor used to cut his grass and do chores for him !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 01, 2007, 11:35:59 PM
Quick tip for tonites game Oklahoma  vs Missouri    Take Oklahoma giving up 3 pts  game is being played in Texas.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 02, 2007, 09:14:12 PM
some end to the washington/buffalo game, buffalo clinched with a 36 yard field goal in the dying seconds. after first nailing a 51 yard field goal buffalo had to retake after washington called a time out. on the retake washington called another time out but were penalised 15 yards for unsporting conduct for trying to freeze the kicker with consecutive time outs, buffalo easily make the 36 yarder to win 17-16. emotional day in washington with the tribute to sean taylor with the skins starting with only 10 players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 02, 2007, 09:29:43 PM
Magickingdom, you beat me to it.

Joe Gibbs , a cranky old fart, showed some class by sending 10 players out on the field for the defense and leaving Taylors spot open.

But then the old age creeps back into his head and calls back to back time outs to give Buffalo an easier field goal(weather conditions)

Gibbs is like one of those seniors you see driving around and you wonder how the hell can that happen.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on December 03, 2007, 01:56:54 AM
What were the Siants at.  If ever a team snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  Id say the Bucs couldnt believe their luck.

Bengals @ Steelers on now.  Another awful wet day.  Bengals lead 7-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 03, 2007, 04:25:25 AM
Complete NCAA FOTBALL Bowl Listings

www.collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=673438

(wish I knew how to cut and paste :-[)

Looks like some very good games and the Bookies licking their chops.

Best bets look like Oklahoma, Boise State, South Florida, Illinois and Rutgers.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 03, 2007, 06:38:22 PM
I'll be at that Rutgers Bowl game  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 03, 2007, 08:30:17 PM
Patriots -19 for this evenings game. -13 at half time. Might have to put a bit on this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 03, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
You heard it here first, Steelers to beat Pats next week......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 01:20:51 AM
Took the pats at -18.5. Hopefully the wind isnt too much of a factor. Banking on a couple of things to hold up for the bet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 01:33:21 AM
You think that'll come through puckoon? very doubtful, steelers have one of the best defences in the league
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 01:38:24 AM
The ravens, this evenings game. Not next weeks game.
That said, Im banking on two streaks tonight, the ravens losing 6 straight and not putting many points on the board, and the pats running it up. Belichick hates the ravens coach, I dont think he will take the foot off the brake, plus the pats didnt play well last week - he will have been riding them hard this week in practice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 01:44:23 AM
Ah was wonderin why the spread was so much, all the talk about the steelers game forgot about this one. Aye, randy also due a big one after being quiet the last day. Brady should get better protection as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 01:52:51 AM
Ravens defense holds the patriots up in the red zone, field goal should make it 3-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 01:53:58 AM
How did he drop that?Brady did well to keep it alive
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 02:03:46 AM
This is what I was afraid of ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 04, 2007, 02:09:17 AM
Ray Lewis has the D all pumped up, Puckoon does not look good in the early minutes.

Balt now in the red zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 02:13:52 AM
I think the pats will come good in the second half. I really thought about taking the ravens at +12 for the first half. I probably should have. I still think the pats will boss it later in the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 02:15:09 AM
Ravens 7, Pats 3
You're sweatin puck ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 02:18:01 AM
Should be noted that I couldnt win an arguement, never mind a bet. :D

Fecking ravens are making all the moves here. Typical of my luck! :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 04, 2007, 03:03:25 AM
big play there. interception by ravens and then a fumble on the return.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 03:08:48 AM
Should be a cracking second half of football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 03:33:19 AM
Anyone wanna buy a 20$ bet on the patriots to win by 19 for a dollar?! :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on December 04, 2007, 03:45:01 AM
 Fairly dangereous taking those big spreads on the likes of the Pats at this stage of the season,
i think they've shown enough of their offensive hand all year, so from this point on i'd say they'll
hold their cards close to their chest and be happy with home field advantage in the play offs and no more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 04, 2007, 04:49:06 AM
The Pats have someone watching over them. They should hae lost, another good game though.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2007, 04:52:21 AM
Such drama, such luck - Patriots have really ridden their luck in this one. Edge of the seat final drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 04, 2007, 09:13:19 AM
I wonder did the Pats peak too early in the year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 04, 2007, 12:29:54 PM
It wouldnt do them any harm to lose a game, go into their shell for a few games so to speak and then come out all guns blazing for the play-offs. But personally i'd rather they didnt, and someone knocked them off their high horse in the knock-out stages. Falcons have dropped to the same record of the Rams, (3-9) will hopefully pick up a decent QB in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on December 04, 2007, 04:36:09 PM
Phew, I say, I say.... PHEW  ;D

The better they get, the luckier they get. Baltimore brought the house last night... Patriots got off the mat (Maybe with the aid of a long count from the refs) and smashed the Ravens right back in the mouth.  Sign of a good team.. They willl have another close one against the steelers next week, their running game is even better.

Anything to shut the '72 Dolphins up.. With 3 superbowls, TB deserves to have his name etched on the greatest team OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 05, 2007, 10:54:25 AM
i see that favre got the sports illustrated sportsperson of the year award
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
In a season when he's broken the records for most wins by a QB and most touchdown passes by a QB – and will likely pass Dan Marino's passing yard record sometime in the next 2 games – it's kinda fitting. It's like he's been rolling  back this years this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
any Dolphin fans getting this for Christmas?

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/statue75/ohand16.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 05, 2007, 02:21:44 PM
I have a feeling he is going to finish this season with a 3/4 interception game, hope im wrong but there is always that possibility.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 05, 2007, 02:25:55 PM
There's always that possibility with Favre, and I think that if the Pack have to head to Dallas for a playoff game, that could well be the outcome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 05, 2007, 04:09:26 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 02:21:14 PM
any Dolphin fans getting this for Christmas?

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/statue75/ohand16.jpg)

Now that is funny, must send it to my neighbour he is a season ticket holder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on December 05, 2007, 05:53:58 PM
Dan Marino Hosts Hour-Long HBO Special Celebrating Favre's Interceptions (http://www.theonion.com/content/news/dan_marino_hosts_hour_long_hbo)

(http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Dan-Marino-art.article_large.jpg)

NEW YORK—Dan Marino, the former Dolphins quarterback, former multiple NFL all-time record holder, and current co-host of HBO's Inside The NFL, was the host, producer, and head writer of the hour-long HBO special Mr. 278, which aired Monday and commemorates Brett Favre breaking the all-time record for interceptions.

"Join me in saluting Brett Favre for breaking the all-time interception record of 277 set by George Blanda—truly a milestone for the ages," Marino intoned during the opening montage, which featured Favre throwing some of his most memorable picks. "Some say records were made to be broken—personally, I've never believed that—but in any case the career interception mark was believed to be unreachable. It takes a player with an unusual combination of not knowing when to retire, not knowing when to stop trying to rack up the completions, and not knowing when to stop trying to throw touchdowns. And it seems that lucky player is everyone's big hero quarterback, Brett Favre."

"I once held all the major records, but I never came close on interceptions," Marino added. "Also, I want to make it clear that I still have the records for passing yards in a season and in a career, but I have to hand it to Brett: He is now the interception record holder. Congratulations there, buddy."

Marino began work on Mr. 278 late in the 2006 season, when it became apparent that Favre was on pace to break Blanda's interception record, as well as Marino's for touchdown passes, sometime in the 2007 season. When HBO producers balked at the idea of expanding their original planned 30-second supporting segment, Marino offered to work the show without pay and secured advertising commitments from NutriSystem, Papa John's Pizza, and Isotoner gloves.

"I played in the NFL for many good years, which is why I set records for attempts, completions, and total seasons with 3,000 yards passing," Marino's voice can be heard to say as an on-screen graphic displayed the dozens of defensive players who had intercepted a Favre pass. "I even set a record for consecutive 3,000-yard seasons. Brett Favre has broken all of those, largely since he decided not to retire yet. And now, he has one of the most memorable records of all: interceptions."

Marino then interviewed more than 30 current and former NFL players who had participated in Favre's record interception streak, including Brain Urlacher, Deion Sanders, Troy Vincent, and John Lynch. Marino devoted special attention to Sean Taylor, who was on the receiving end of Favre's record-breaking 278th interception, an ill-advised downfield sideline attempt thrown off the back foot, which Taylor neatly high-pointed.

Marino also interviewed players who had intercepted Favre passes in college, during Favre's high school career in Mississippi, and during Packers training camp. In one poignant segment, Marino tracked down advertising copywriter Leroy Holsapple, the man who may have first intercepted Favre when, as an 8-year-old, he picked off a wild toss across the middle of the field during a 1979 Pop Warner game.

"We've seen a lot of interceptions tonight," Marino said in conclusion as another painstakingly edited Favre interception montage, the ninth and last in the program, played behind him. "Were all of them were his fault? Maybe not—it's not for us to say. Am I jealous of his record? Maybe. I never considered myself to be all that concerned with statistics, and with my plus-168 TD-to-interception record, I'll never know what it's like to be "Mr. 278," the all-time interception king. Because the man who holds that record, perhaps forever, is Brett Favre."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 06:18:39 PM
hahaha - quality
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on December 05, 2007, 06:27:40 PM
Can't beat a a bit of Onion
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 05, 2007, 06:39:13 PM
Quote from: deiseach on December 05, 2007, 06:27:40 PM
Can't beat a a bit of Onion

Red onion >>>>>>> any other onion
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 07, 2007, 12:35:55 AM
You can watch the Bears vs Redskins online tonite.

Go to    www.nfl.com/live

It Starts 8:15 ET

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 08, 2007, 11:03:49 AM
If I get out the door tomorrow, this is my parlay for sundays games:

Seahawks-7 at home to the cardinals
Giants +2.5 away to the eagles
Broncos-7 at home to the chiefs

EDIT: Got greedy and threw the cowboys-11 in there too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 09, 2007, 10:58:38 PM
Looks like my greed got the better of me.

All my bets covered except dallas. :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 10, 2007, 12:38:07 AM
I put down 200.00 on the Vikes and Seahawks (parlay)  nice 560.00 return.


What about Tom Brady's performace today?  The man has ice water running through him. League MVP.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 10, 2007, 02:04:33 AM
200 a little too much for me, just did a 50$ 4 team parlay, which stood to earn 550$, had the cowboys not been such arseholes. What made it worse was the fact that it was the first game of the ticket that let me down, I didnt even get a good rush out of it, and I HATE the cowboys.

Such is gambling!

Nice bet DH, where are you based?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on December 10, 2007, 08:29:01 AM
Another unbelievable performance by the Pats. Whether or not Brady is the greatest QB ever, might still be open for debate but I think the tag of greatest team ever is now decided.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 10, 2007, 09:29:28 AM
Hi All,

Back to College Bowls for a moment, I've created a group in Yahoo Sports (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl)) to pick the College Bowl Games this Christmas. Just log in and 'join a group' the league ID is 22725 Password is sundevils.

Cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 10, 2007, 04:16:35 PM
Sammy, calm down, they're not there yet (but they are showing all the signs) unbeaten season required for greatest team ever. Afc championship game will be the crunch of the season. Interesting to see how the colts respond to their beatin earlier in the season.

And how good was that trick play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 10, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
Vick gets sentenced to 23 months.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3148549
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2007, 04:27:25 PM
Would be interseting alright if the Pats were to go the regular season 16-0 (which they almost certainly will now) and yet slip up somewhere in the playoffs or in the Superbowl itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 10, 2007, 05:13:32 PM
I heard it will be the biggest points spread ever when the Patriots play the Dolphins in a couple of weeks.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 10, 2007, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 10, 2007, 02:04:33 AM
200 a little too much for me, just did a 50$ 4 team parlay, which stood to earn 550$, had the cowboys not been such arseholes. What made it worse was the fact that it was the first game of the ticket that let me down, I didnt even get a good rush out of it, and I HATE the cowboys.

Such is gambling!

Nice bet DH, where are you based?

I am in Chicago. I was already up 130 on a 50 - 2 team parlay so the most I would loose would have been 70. Now my nephews will get some nice christmas presents along with their Uncle ;).


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 11, 2007, 12:47:33 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 10, 2007, 09:29:28 AM
Hi All,

Back to College Bowls for a moment, I've created a group in Yahoo Sports (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl)) to pick the College Bowl Games this Christmas. Just log in and 'join a group' the league ID is 22725 Password is sundevils.

Cheers

Do you need to have a yahoo account to join this? Id like to give it a go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 11, 2007, 01:35:15 AM
I have brady in fantasy football, him and the packer defence have me in the playoffs and this league was 200.00 to get in.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 12, 2007, 11:59:16 AM
f**k the Cowboys, really wanted the Lions to have a break through but they've regressed in the last 6 weeks. need some O-line men. Kitna's a good QB and Calvin Johnson is a great WR, just need to give JK some more time.

Still Cowboys are a great team, has to be said. If they're down by less than a TD with 2 mins on the clock Romo is the man to get it done. Nothing phases him. Even with TO having a quiet game, Jason Whitten is well able to pick up the load. And Jones at RB is well able to move it on the ground.

As for the Pats, they're rigt now up there with the 70's Steelers, 80's SF49ers and 90's Cowboys. But if they go undefeated to a SB win, yes they will be the best ever.

Also Bobby Petrino quit the Falcons last night. Didnt even see out his first season in the NFL. They're are well and truely fucked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 12, 2007, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 01, 2007, 08:15:13 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 30, 2007, 11:22:57 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 30, 2007, 05:58:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2007, 05:36:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
I passed out, did my best to stay awake but had to be up for work at 7. looked like a good ol game. loved TO's popcorn celebration. He's the dude and as a player almost impossible to cover for an entire game or keep scoreless.

He's an absolute w**ker

Can't say I'm a big fan of him either. Obviously he's a real talent but the man is in love with himself. I notice Nick Halling on Sky can't stand him.

Sometimes I can take to cocky players in any sport but TO isn't one of them.
Its not so much the cockiness as the downright selfishness and divisivness he showed during the end of his time at phillidelphia.

It was interesting that Ian Allen, the Sky Sports analyst and former Eagle said quite a few of the Eagles were saying the same things that TO was about Mc Nabb but were not as outspoken as him so never said anything.

Just wondering when did TO join Dallas and what did he say about Mc Nabb?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 12, 2007, 01:54:52 PM
The Pats are certainly a great team but i have to say there are some god awful teams in the NFL at the minute, the Pats basically had 6 gimmes this year, Dolphins, Jets & Bills within their own division. I have a sneaky feeling Dallas would have a good chance against them in the Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2007, 02:37:26 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 12, 2007, 12:03:04 PMJust wondering when did TO join Dallas and what did he say about Mc Nabb?

He signed with Dallas in March 2006


The McNabb thing

"That afternoon Owens made a number of controversial statements during an interview with Graham Bensinger for ESPN. In the interview, Owens voiced his frustrations of the Eagles not recognizing his 100th career TD. He referred to the Eagles as a classless organization for the way they behaved. The Eagles have since stated that the Club does not recognize individual achievements.

When asked whether or not he agreed with a comment made by ESPN analyst and good friend Michael Irvin, Owens agreed to the statement, saying that he thought the Eagles would be undefeated if Brett Favre were on the team instead of Donovan McNabb. Owens went on to expand on the point, calling Brett Favre a warrior. Many people took offense at this, since it appeared as though Owens was claiming that McNabb, who was playing with a sports hernia among other injuries, was not a warrior. This interview effectively ended Owens' career in Philadelphia."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 12, 2007, 10:57:15 PM
Going to post this weeks pro football spreads as Im at home and bored as all hell. Feel free to voice your favouite picks.

Thursday Dec 13
Denver broncos (-1.5) away to the houston texans  - Total: 46


Saturday Dec 15
Cincinnati Bengals (-8.5) away to the San Fran 49ers Total: 43


Sunday Dec 16

Arizona Cardinals away to new orleans Saints (-4)   Total 47

Atlanta Falcons away to Tampa Bay Bucs (-12)      Total 39

Baltimore Ravens (-3.5) away to Miami Dolphins      Total 37.5

Buffalo Bills away to Cleveland Browns (-5.5)          Total 46

Green Bay Packers (-9.5) away to St Louis Rams     Total 44.5

Jacksonville Jaguars away to Pittsburgh Steelers (-4) Total 39.5

New York Jets away to New England Pats (-24)

Seattle Seahawks (-7) away to Carolina Panthers     Total 38

Tennesee Titans (-4) away to Kansas City Chiefs      Total 35

Indianapolis Colts (-10.5) away to Oakland Raiders      Total 45

Detroit Lions away to San Diego Chargers (-11)         Total 45.5

Phillidelphia Eagles away to Dallas Cowboys (-10.5)     Total 48.5

Washington Redskins away to New York Giants (-5)    Total 40.5



Monday Dec 17

Chicago Bears away to Minnesota Vikings (-9)              Total 44.5


So far I like the steelers, the seahawks, the titans and I have a feeling that the Ravens will cover too.





Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 13, 2007, 02:32:45 AM
ESPN showing an hourlong special of their sportscentre commercials - this is a good one

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHl-WrefNE (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHl-WrefNE)


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNE5oV-xjg&feature=related (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=nzNE5oV-xjg&feature=related)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 13, 2007, 04:37:42 AM
Get your money on the Jets. Surely even they can beat a 24 point spread!

Or maybe not...

I hope they have new signals this time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:05:47 AM
if they get within 40 - I'll be surprised
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 13, 2007, 05:36:29 AM
I guess I wouldnt be surprised if they were beaten by a basketball score, but would you put money on it? Starting off 24 points behind?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 13, 2007, 06:14:01 AM
I am taking Balt and Saints on a two team parlay    (200=520   100=260   50=130 ) 200 here


Packers and the over for 100

net profit  780 ;)

fingers crossed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 03:34:46 PM
There's a huge day in store today - as the report into steroid use in baseball is revealed.

The author if the report should be familiar to all of us - Senator George Mitchell

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2007, 03:45:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 03:34:46 PM
There's a huge day in store today - as the report into steroid use in baseball is revealed.

The author if the report should be familiar to all of us - Senator George Mitchell

Already speculation about who will be named has started.

Source says information on Clemens will be in Mitchell's report (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153129)

A former New York Yankee strength trainer says information he supplied to the George Mitchell investigation regarding supplying Roger Clemens with steroids is included in the Mitchell report...
Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 13, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
I will be going to the Dolphins game Sunday, I am surprised the spread is only 3.5 thought the Ravens would be favoured by more.
Bloody Mary at 9am to start the day then a bit of tailgating,  hopefully we will celebrating our first victory with a cigar and whiskey when we get home. Forecast is for 80 Degrees with a chance of rain, should be a good days crack. If we don't win this week we will just have to beat the Patriots in New England the following week (guessing the spread will be close to 40 for that one) ...some chance. The Bengals the last week might be our only chance for a win. Who would ever have thought that the Dolphins could go 0 and 16 times have changed down here bring back Marino.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:18:33 PM
It's starting to leak out. Here's the one that's circulating now in advance of the release of the Mitchell Report

"Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron
Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante
Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron,
Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson
Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan
Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez,
Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay
Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren
Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire,
Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose
Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Pior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols,
Brian Roberts,Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott
Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian
Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt
Williams and Kerry Wood."


Edit: Adding link to WNBC story
http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 13, 2007, 05:22:11 PM
Who took that free Kick that you have as an avatar GH sweet strike
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:30:07 PM
Dwayne DeRosario - it was MLS Goal of the Year in 2005 I think

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-z6iPk_9vM

the commentary  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on December 13, 2007, 06:26:53 PM
 :D :D :D

"nothing fancy"!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on December 13, 2007, 06:39:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 05:30:07 PM
Dwayne DeRosario - it was MLS Goal of the Year in 2005 I think

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K-z6iPk_9vM

the commentary  :D :D :D :D


OH HOLY SMOKES.... :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on December 13, 2007, 06:44:48 PM
He is some man for the spectacular goals

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI0f6angcM0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rCT5ak8D8w0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VLUvAwTDK1g&feature=related
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2007, 07:48:17 PM
The Mitchell Report is available at ESPN and other US news sites.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2007, 07:51:35 PM
Pujols ain't on the list

Names start at Page 179 if you want to know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2007, 08:23:51 PM
The list

Marvin Benard, Barry Bonds, Bobby Estalella, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Benito Santiago, Gary Sheffield, Randy Velarde, Lenny Dykstra, David Segui,
Larry Bigbie, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Tim Laker, Josias Manzanillo, Todd Hundley, Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Matt Franco, Rondell White,
Roger Clemens, Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch, Jason Grimsley, Gregg Zaun, David Justice, F.P. Santangelo, Glenallen Hill, Mo Vaughn, Denny Neagle,
Ryan Franklin, Chris Donnels, Todd Williams, Phil Hiatt, Todd Pratt, Kevin Young, Mike Lansing, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Adam Piatt,
Miguel Tejada, Jason Christiansen, Mike Stanton, Stephen Randolph, Jerry Hairston, Jr., Paul Lo Duca, Adam Riggs, Bart Miadich, Fernando Vina, Kevin Brown,
Eric Gagni, Mike Bell, Matt Herges, Gary Bennett, Jr., Jim Parque, Brendan Donnelly, Chad Allen, Jeff Williams, Howie Clark, Exavier "Nook" Logan,
Daniel Naulty, Rick Ankiel, David Bell, Paul Byrd, Jose Canseco, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston, Jr.,
Darren Holmes, Gary Matthews, Jr., John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, Steve Woodard
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 13, 2007, 09:17:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 13, 2007, 04:37:42 AM
Get your money on the Jets. Surely even they can beat a 24 point spread!

Or maybe not...

I hope they have new signals this time.

the jets are bad but their not that bad, they have to be worth a punt. i was in ny the past two weeks and the jets and patriots were playing the same time last sunday. we were eating in a bar and everyone was watching the patriot game and ignoring the jet game!! also see some of the jets fans are still causing trouble at the games despite all the efforts to get them to cop on. on the boxing front ricky hattons supporters gave the us national anthem the boos which did not go down to well in the pub i watched it in..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 14, 2007, 02:17:14 AM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 13, 2007, 10:53:09 PM
Any American Sports worth seeing in Florida over the Christmas holidays?
Where in Florida

College football bowl games

Champs Sports: Boston College vs. Michigan State    Orlando, Fla.    Dec. 28, 5 p.m.
Capital One: Michigan vs. Florida    Orlando, Fla.    Jan. 1, 2008, 1 p.m.
FedEx Orange: Virginia Tech vs. Kansas    Miami    Jan. 3, 2008, 8 p.m.

NFL: Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Miami
NHL: Tampa Bay , Florida (Miami)
NBA: Orlando, Miami
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 14, 2007, 06:34:13 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 13, 2007, 10:53:09 PM
Any American Sports worth seeing in Florida over the Christmas holidays?

Five times, when will you be in Florida and where will you be staying?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 14, 2007, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 14, 2007, 07:28:15 PM
We will be staying in Port Charlotte from 20th to 30th. Its an hour and a half from Tampa.

Probably a little far from Orlando or Miami.

Your only hope then would be Tampa Bay Lightning (ice hockey, cue heganboy's protestations that it is not a real sport :) )

Thu, Dec 20    Toronto    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 22    Carolina    7:30 PM
Thu, Dec 27    Montreal    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 29    Philadelphia    1:00 PM

or

Tampa Bay Buccaneers , American Football if you are around on the Sunday

SUN, DEC 30 Carolina at Tampa Bay    1:00 PM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 14, 2007, 08:04:19 PM
Quote from: dec on December 14, 2007, 07:48:59 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 14, 2007, 07:28:15 PM
We will be staying in Port Charlotte from 20th to 30th. Its an hour and a half from Tampa.

Probably a little far from Orlando or Miami.

Your only hope then would be Tampa Bay Lightning (ice hockey, cue heganboy's protestations that it is not a real sport :) )

Thu, Dec 20    Toronto    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 22    Carolina    7:30 PM
Thu, Dec 27    Montreal    7:30 PM
Sat, Dec 29    Philadelphia    1:00 PM

or

Tampa Bay Buccaneers , American Football if you are around on the Sunday

SUN, DEC 30 Carolina at Tampa Bay    1:00 PM

Its a pity you were not here Sunday as I had a spare ticket to watch the mighty Miami Dolphins.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 15, 2007, 12:49:52 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on December 13, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
I will be going to the Dolphins game Sunday, I am surprised the spread is only 3.5 thought the Ravens would be favoured by more.
Bloody Mary at 9am to start the day then a bit of tailgating,  hopefully we will celebrating our first victory with a cigar and whiskey when we get home. Forecast is for 80 Degrees with a chance of rain, should be a good days crack. If we don't win this week we will just have to beat the Patriots in New England the following week (guessing the spread will be close to 40 for that one) ...some chance. The Bengals the last week might be our only chance for a win. Who would ever have thought that the Dolphins could go 0 and 16 times have changed down here bring back Marino.

6 of the dolphins losses have been by a fieldgoal. I dont think they are much more than +3.5 underdogs in this game. I think the weather in foxboro could well make a punt on the jets worthwhile - not for me though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 15, 2007, 10:47:07 AM
Was watching "who is ?" on Sky last weekend, Devin Hester is about to beat Brian Mitchells NFL record for most return touchdowns (kickoff & punt)......The amazing thing is Hester is in his 2nd season, it took Mitchell 13 seasons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 15, 2007, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 15, 2007, 10:47:07 AM
Was watching "who is ?" on Sky last weekend, Devin Hester is about to beat Brian Mitchells NFL record for most return touchdowns (kickoff & punt)......The amazing thing is Hester is in his 2nd season, it took Mitchell 13 seasons.

Hester is something else SS , the buzz of anticipation around Soldier Field before he receives the ball is unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 15, 2007, 02:50:59 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 15, 2007, 12:49:52 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on December 13, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
I will be going to the Dolphins game Sunday, I am surprised the spread is only 3.5 thought the Ravens would be favoured by more.
Bloody Mary at 9am to start the day then a bit of tailgating,  hopefully we will celebrating our first victory with a cigar and whiskey when we get home. Forecast is for 80 Degrees with a chance of rain, should be a good days crack. If we don't win this week we will just have to beat the Patriots in New England the following week (guessing the spread will be close to 40 for that one) ...some chance. The Bengals the last week might be our only chance for a win. Who would ever have thought that the Dolphins could go 0 and 16 times have changed down here bring back Marino.

6 of the dolphins losses have been by a fieldgoal. I dont think they are much more than +3.5 underdogs in this game. I think the weather in foxboro could well make a punt on the jets worthwhile - not for me though...

Fingers crossed with Fins tomorrow. The Jets might be worth a few dollars with that spread but I hear the Pats what to show them up after the spying scandal earlier in the year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 15, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on December 14, 2007, 07:28:15 PM
We will be staying in Port Charlotte from 20th to 30th. Its an hour and a half from Tampa.

I know Port Charlotte well. Its a nice quiet town, but not a lot happens there, and virtually nothing of note sportswise! The Texas Rangers used to have spring training there up until a couple of years ago (so you'd get friendly games against the likes of the Yankees), but the town hasn't been able to attract any other major league teams since they left for Arizona. There were rumours of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays moving their training there from 2009, but I'm not sure if that is confirmed.

If you're down Fort Myers direction, Sanibel and Captiva are worth a visit, particularly if you're into wildlife (the JD Ding Darling preserve is great for birds and alligators). Also, there is a Henry Ford-Thomas Edison museum in Fort Myers based around their old winter residences (they literally lived across the street from each other). There is (or at least used to be) a manatee sanctuary along the Caloosahatchee River in Fort Myers. They have manatees and other animals on exhibit, and they run tours along the river and the mangroves to see them in the wild (alligators too). The Babcock Ranch, a few miles inland from Port Charlotte/Punta Gorda, does wildlife tours of the forests and swamps.

The whole Charlotte Harbor area is excellent for water sports or sailing, particular if you have friends who have a boat or if you want to do a bit of canoeing or something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 15, 2007, 11:34:04 PM
Pucks Pro Parlay Picks:

Packers (-8.5)
Titans (-3.5)
Seahawks (-7.5)
Colts (-10.5)

Im sure Ill get shafted on at least one, but sure its only 20$ and pays 10-1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 16, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 15, 2007, 12:03:10 PM
Quote from: SeanSouth on December 15, 2007, 10:47:07 AM
Was watching "who is ?" on Sky last weekend, Devin Hester is about to beat Brian Mitchells NFL record for most return touchdowns (kickoff & punt)......The amazing thing is Hester is in his 2nd season, it took Mitchell 13 seasons.

Hester is something else SS , the buzz of anticipation around Soldier Field before he receives the ball is unreal

Puzzles me why teams keep kicking to him!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:15:15 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 16, 2007, 05:36:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:15:15 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today

I hope Brady goes nuts, he needs to, my fantasy team is shite without him and the packers D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:57:02 PM
He'll have bother throwing in that snow today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:15:15 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today

Its a huge spread. I think if the wind keeps up they will have a good shot at it.

Would love to see the dolphins win too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:58:57 PM
Dolphins will win today  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 16, 2007, 06:14:45 PM
Touchdown Patriots! Going to get ugly!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 06:16:20 PM
anyone watching Buffalo - Cleveland?

the weather there  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 16, 2007, 06:51:13 PM
LOL @ the snow in this game.

FFS they are playing in a couple of inches of the stuff. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 16, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Go Jets!! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 16, 2007, 06:59:12 PM
10-7 to Patriots, come on Jets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 16, 2007, 08:07:05 PM
Here are my bets this week

200   Giants(-5) and Saints (-3 1/2)

100  Balt  (-3 1/2)   and  Packers  (-8)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 16, 2007, 08:38:12 PM
They've just stopped the Jets-Patriots game until the fans stop throwing snowballs onto the field! ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 16, 2007, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 05:57:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:15:15 PM
quite fancy the Jets to cover the spread today

Its a huge spread. I think if the wind keeps up they will have a good shot at it.

Would love to see the dolphins win too.

hope you had dollars on that puckoon!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 16, 2007, 10:28:10 PM
No, and the feckin seagulls rogered me as well. >:(


Ah well, such is life.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 16, 2007, 11:20:34 PM
ive played in inches of water but not inches of snow, id hate it, the pain of it getting hit in the cold must be horrendous. well done to the phins, spared their blushes. they really looked relieved to have won it. Browns are looking strong. Brett passed Marinos total passing yard record
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 16, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
The Browns defense is their big weak point, the offense can score on anyone. Jamal Lewis is getting stronger as the season is progressing. Jags are probably the most dangerous team entering the playoffs......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 17, 2007, 01:21:56 AM
Its a nasty evening in NY. Its got very windy and cold over the past hour - not the best conditions for the Giants-Redskins game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 17, 2007, 02:45:36 AM
Poor game at Giants Stadium. Redskins 6, Giants 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 17, 2007, 03:19:04 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 16, 2007, 08:07:05 PM
Here are my bets this week

200   Giants(-5) and Saints (-3 1/2)

100  Balt  (-3 1/2)   and  Packers  (-8)




Could be screwed on both counts DH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 17, 2007, 03:53:35 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2007, 05:58:57 PM
Dolphins will win today  :D

8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 17, 2007, 09:35:26 AM
fair play, i wouldnt have backed them against the Ravens, but Im glad they didnt go 0-16 it would have done serious damage to the franchiase.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 17, 2007, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 17, 2007, 09:35:26 AM
fair play, i wouldnt have backed them against the Ravens, but Im glad they didnt go 0-16 it would have done serious damage to the franchiase.

Great since of relief down there yesterday. The Fins offense is terrible, the lad that scored the winning touchdown was from the practice squad and he looked better than some of the starters at least he could catch the ball. Hot and humid before the game with some rain, by the time we got home the temperature had dropped into the fifties nice and cool for a change. You would swear the Dolphins had won the Super Bowl the way people celebrated in the car park afterwards the Raven fans were even amused by the whole thing. Great day out though..the head is a bit tender this morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 17, 2007, 03:11:02 PM
You can't help but smile about that Dolphins win yesterday

As someone said on another board

"Being 1-15 is nowhere near as sad as being the club who lost to a 1-15 team."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 17, 2007, 04:45:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 17, 2007, 03:19:04 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 16, 2007, 08:07:05 PM
Here are my bets this week

200   Giants(-5) and Saints (-3 1/2)

100  Balt  (-3 1/2)   and  Packers  (-8)



How can the giants let Eli try to win their games?  They have a starting running back as big as most offensive lineman and blazing speed. Start running then the passing game will be so much easier. A complete fiasco in their home stadium.

Best thing about betting is there is always next week ;)

On a side note how must TO feel being shown up by his old QB in Dallas. Fair play to the Eagles and McNabb.



Could be screwed on both counts DH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 19, 2007, 11:52:16 PM
Pro-bowl votes in, and just to show what a pile shite the judging system is not a single member of the Jacksonville Jaguars, who are 10-4 and contending for a playoff spot, or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who are 9-5 and captured the NFC South crown, was selected.

Yet, the 1-13 Miami Dolphins have one representative: Defensive end Jason Taylor.

At 12-2, the Dallas Cowboys have had an outstanding season. But is it really deserving of 11 Pro Bowlers, three more than the 14-0 New England Patriots and seven more than the 12-2 Green Bay Packers? I don't think so.

For that matter, how do the 8-6 Minnesota Vikings end up with seven selections, three more than the winner of their division, Green Bay? It makes no sense.

The 3rd choice at QB on the AFC is Big Ben and not Derrick Anderson which I think is wrong.

And no Wes Welker, for me he's been the one making the hard yards for the Pats in their passing game. Not doubting Moss' contribution but you dont see him going across the middle very much. Welkers done the donkey work for that team and deserves a spot.

I think its more of a popularity contest than anything else.

In other news TO tells Jessica Simpson to back of from Tony Romo that shes partially to blame for his shit game Vs the Eagles last weekend, funny stuff.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80542306&template=without-video&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SeanSouth on December 20, 2007, 09:42:07 AM
Agree Juice, No Fred Taylor???? Rothlisberger is lucky to be in too, think Anderson is more deserving. I think the fact that 11 year old kids are allowed to vote does not help. Ogden is there on reputation alone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 20, 2007, 07:06:40 PM
Havnt gotten down to the bookies, anyone feeling good about any teams this weekend? Put the heap on the dolphins? :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 21, 2007, 12:45:25 AM
Steelers vs Rams tonite     www.nfl.com/live

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 21, 2007, 01:30:27 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 21, 2007, 12:45:25 AM
Steelers vs Rams tonite     www.nfl.com/live


Steelers 7 Rams 0
Even though Steelers have scored early, i think this could be a top quality game, Rams could give them a real run for their money. Jackson will make some good yards on the ground.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 21, 2007, 11:27:08 AM
Looked like a good ol game but i was shattered, and dozed off despite my best efforts to stay awake. Willy Parker will be a big loss if he misses the play-offs. As much as I like the Steelers I'd rather the Browns got through.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 22, 2007, 08:28:43 PM
Cowboys vs Panthers    8ET  www.nfl.com/live

Cowboys are 10 1/2 points over the Panthers

The over is 42.5

Take TO and the Cowboys  and also the over.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 22, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Giants -3
Colts-7
Packers -8.5
Detroit kansas over 43.5

20$ parlay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 22, 2007, 11:25:43 PM
BYU  vs  UCLA     BYU-7  take them

UCLA QB  might not play
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 23, 2007, 02:48:26 PM
Good article in todays Sunday Tribune re drugs in baseball by dave hannigan...


The senator scrapes the surface to reveal what dopes baseball players have become 


THE strangest thing happened last week. An athlete accused of taking steroids actually confessed to doing so. It didn't take a positive test to force his hand either. There was no ridiculous demand for the jury of public opinion to wait for the B sample to come back. Just an accusation against him that yielded some plain, old-fashioned honesty of a kind you probably thought had disappeared from the sporting landscape forever. Better yet, the frank admission came laced with true remorse, genuine perspective, and a sincere commitment to educate youngsters about the dangers of performanceenhancing substances.

"I stole people's jobs, " said former New York Yankees pitcher Dan Naulty in a searing assessment of the difference drugs made to his career. "That's the part for me that was so wrong. I have to explain to my boys that I took people's jobs by cheating, and that penetrated my soul a number of years ago and still haunts me today. The poor choice I made for the chance of being a majorleague baseball player I was so young and dumb I didn't think about anything except the light at the end of the tunnel, and that light was the fame that baseball was going to provide me."

Despite chemical enhancement, Naulty never achieved that much fame.

A journeyman pitcher who appeared in just 130 games in the majors back in the '90s, he's achieved a notoriety far beyond his wildest dreams over the past ten days. It's not just because accused steroid-users don't usually come clean with this sort of candour, it's because he is the only one of the 90 baseball players cited in George Mitchell's recent report into steroid use who has given a full and plausible account of his actions.

The rest have resorted to a combination of half-truths, badly thought-out equivocations and scarcely credible denials that reek more of the Mahon Tribunal than the Major Leagues.

Half a dozen of the biggest names mentioned have denied steroid use but admitted using Human Growth Hormone for brief periods when struggling to come back from injuries. Other excuses have veered so far this side of unbelievable that it remains just for somebody to come out and admit he once accidentally sat on a needle full of anabolics in a darkened locker room and didn't realise what they were until he saw his biceps enlarge.

"In 2003, when I took one shot of steroids, I immediately realised that this was not what I stood for or anything that I wanted to continue doing, " said Baltimore Orioles' second baseman Brian Roberts, in a typically difficult to believe apology. "I never used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing drugs prior to or since that single incident. I can honestly say before God, myself, my family and all of my fans that steroids or any performance-enhancing drugs have never had any effect on what I have worked so hard to accomplish in the game of baseball."

Even if the fallout from the publication of his findings has been at times surreal, the former Northern Ireland peace envoy deserves enormous credit. He produced something of real substance despite encountering roadblocks at every turn during his 21-month investigation. The Major League Baseball Players' Association (MLBPA) refused to co-operate and with all but a handful of the current players scared to answer calls, Mitchell and his team still garnered weighty evidence from Kirk Radomski, a former New York Met clubhouse assistantturned steroid supplier, and Brian McNamee, a former New York Yankees strength and conditioning coach.

It wasn't enough to expose the true extent of steroid use but did offer a glimpse at how endemic it must have been. To those hoping baseball might finally try to clean up its tawdry act, this pair the were the unlikely heroes of the 409-page narrative. Even if their co-operation was a result of federal pressure relating to other charges, Radomski and McNamee supplied graphic testimony about the decade leading up to the introduction of proper testing in 2004. Of course, the sport's ingrained attitude to the topic is such that one ESPN analyst who you might have figured would laud their contribution to unmasking the liars described them as "sewer rats".

One of the sewer rats gave up the biggest name of all when McNamee recalled injecting Roger Clemens . . . the greatest pitcher of his generation . . . with steroids. Much like Barry Bonds, Clemens' career trajectory always had a disturbing arc to it. As he reached his mid-30s, he began to improve and get stronger at an age when most pitchers start to fade. Despite his best friend, training partner and fellow New York Yankee icon Andy Pettite admitting that the HGH accusations against him in the report were correct, Clemens strenuously denied every allegation, a screed stretching for eight and a half pages in Mitchell's report.

"I want to state clearly and without qualification: I did not take steroids, human growth hormone or any other banned substances at any time in my baseball career or, in fact, my entire life, " said the 45-year-old Texan who came out of retirement to pitch for the Yankees last summer. "Those substances represent a dangerous and destructive shortcut that no athlete should ever take. I am disappointed that my 25 years in public life have apparently not earned me the benefit of the doubt, but I understand that Senator Mitchell's report has raised many serious questions. I plan to publicly answer all of those questions at the appropriate time in the appropriate way. I only ask that in the meantime people not rush to judgment."

Notwithstanding the numerous American sports fans who care not a jot whether their heroes cheat, the cynicism regarding drugs has reached such a level that most sane observers laughed aloud as they read the text of Clemens' denial. Apart from all the circumstantial evidence, his statement came after analysis showed a massive improvement in his performances after the exact point in 1998 when McNamee claims he began dabbling with pharmaceuticals.

Never the most popular player outside the clubs he pitched for on his way to 354 wins, Clemens' dilemma was put in sharp focus by one of his peers.

"So as a fan my thought is that Roger will find a way in short order to organise a legal team to guarantee a retraction of the allegations made, a public apology is made, and his name is completely cleared, " wrote Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling in his blog 38pitches. com. "If he doesn't do that then there aren't many options as a fan for me other than to believe his career 192 wins and 3 Cy Youngs (awarded to the best pitcher each season) he won prior to 1997 were the end. From that point on the numbers were attained through using PED's (Performance Enhancing Drugs)" Clemens may have his day on Capitol Hill before he gets a day in court. Almost as soon as the Mitchell Report was printed up, it emerged Congress would be holding more hearings into steroids and baseball next month. Anybody summoned to appear before that committee must do so under oath and beneath the unforgiving glare of live television cameras.

The last time that a group players were put under that harsh spotlight retired slugger Mark McGwire did so much damage to his reputation he has scarcely been seen in public since. Any Clemens' appearance would also come freighted with talk about the possibility of him perjuring himself.

During a fractious week and a half since Mitchell held his press conference to announce his findings, the one thing everybody agrees on is his report only scratches the surface of this problem. He fingered 90 individuals but most estimates put the number of users between 1995 and 2005 at maybe ten times that number. In a sport where statistics are the sine qua non, that one now trumps all.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 25, 2007, 06:49:07 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 22, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Giants -3
Colts-7
Packers -8.5
Detroit kansas over 43.5

20$ parlay.


What about them f**king bears then. >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 25, 2007, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 25, 2007, 06:49:07 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 22, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Giants -3
Colts-7
Packers -8.5
Detroit kansas over 43.5

20$ parlay.


What about them f**king bears then. >:(

Sorry Puck
Lovie Smith said the season is not successful unless they sweep the Pack.
Made 300 on the game to cancel out a few bd picks this week.
End of the season is tough making picks with teams resting/evaluating players.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 29, 2007, 08:03:50 PM
So it all comes down to tonight  8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 29, 2007, 08:05:10 PM
Id like to see them do it - but Id like the giants to make them play well to accomplish the feat. I took the over at 46.5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 29, 2007, 09:10:21 PM
going to stay up for that for as long as i can! hope the pats do it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2007, 11:08:09 PM
The game will be live on www.nfl.com/live 6pm eastern.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2007, 11:52:01 PM
Has it been done before?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 29, 2007, 11:59:41 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 29, 2007, 11:52:01 PM
Has it been done before?

The Dolphins are the only undefeated team....come on the Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 12:27:22 AM
Game starts 8 15 eastern.

Think both teams going to be full strength, looking forward to it! Come on Giants! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 01:28:23 AM
Is that Eli or Peyton :o Good start by Giants!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 30, 2007, 01:36:27 AM
Just keep scoring!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 02:41:25 AM
Go Giants! Really enjoying this :)
Brady and Co aint going to get it easy!
Hopefully a close finish in store :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 30, 2007, 02:52:20 AM
Penn state and Texas A&M is worth a quick flick every now and then on espn. 17-14 penn state at the half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 02:57:33 AM
Keeping an eye on it, Penn States coach is a bit of a character!
Seems to be a good game alright!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 03:48:58 AM
hows about that then!
Thats pure class! Moss should have had it the first time. Looking good for the unbeaten now :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 30, 2007, 04:06:23 AM
The patriots are immense. No other word for it. Coming back from 28-16 like that - Brady is relentless, hes been hit more times than a CBS pupil tonight and hes bounced up and delivered every time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 30, 2007, 04:09:11 AM
Unreal throw for moss TD....Don't no how he dropped the first one!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 30, 2007, 04:19:32 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 30, 2007, 04:23:55 AM
Congrats to the perfect Pats. Looked in trouble for a while tonight but pulled through like the winners they are. Unbeliveable outfit.

Can they top it off with the Superbowl now and become truly the greatest of all time?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 30, 2007, 04:37:14 AM
Well done Pats!
It will all count for nothing but if they dont go on to win the Super bowl. Remember the Dolphins went on to win it in their unbeaten season!
Eli Manning by the way was dirt in the second half, still they covered the spread ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2007, 09:10:56 AM
A long shot but the Chargers to win it. Last year they entered the play-offs on a 10-game streak only to peak too soon. This year it has been spot on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 30, 2007, 09:28:26 AM
Fair play to the Pats - I'm not really bothered about the play-offs now

The only thing that interests me is the possibility of Favre vs Brady in the Superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 30, 2007, 12:28:52 PM
an amazing season for the pats, brady never quits, even tho they deserve it they got that little bit of luck you need to be perfect. some season by randy moss too tho jerry rice will always be a legend...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 31, 2007, 09:54:28 AM
 AFC PLAYOFF PICTURE

New England 1. New England Patriots (16-0) – Won AFC East and earned home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Indianapolis 2. Indianapolis Colts (13-3) – Won AFC South and earned first-round bye.

San Diego 3. San Diego Chargers (11-5) – Won AFC West and earned first-round home playoff game.

Pittsburgh 4. Pittsburgh Steelers (10-6) – Won AFC North and earned first-round home playoff game.

Jacksonville 5. Jacksonville Jaguars (11-5) – Earned wild-card berth and No. 5 seed.

Tennessee 6. Tennessee Titans (10-6) – Defeated the Colts to clinch the final wild-card spot.

Here are the first-round matchups in the AFC:

Jacksonville at Pittsburgh: Saturday, Jan. 5, 8 ET (NBC)
Tennessee at San Diego: Sunday, Jan. 6, 4:30 ET (CBS)

First-round byes: New England and Indianapolis

NFC PLAYOFF PICTURE

Dallas 1. Dallas Cowboys (13-3) – Won NFC East and earned home-field advantage because of head-to-head victory over Packers.

Green Bay 2. Green Bay Packers (13-3) – Won NFC North and earned first-round bye.

Seattle 3. Seattle Seahawks (10-6) – Won NFC West and earned first-round home game.

Tampa Bay 4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7) – Won NFC South and earned first-round home game.

New York 5. New York Giants (10-6) – Earned wild-card berth and No. 5 seed.

Washington 6. Washington Redskins (9-7) – Defeated the Cowboys to earn the final wild-card spot.

Here are the first-round matchups in the NFC:

Washington at Seattle: Saturday, Jan. 5, 4:30 ET (NBC)
N.Y. Giants at Tampa Bay: Sunday, Jan. 6, 1 ET (Fox)

First-round byes: Dallas and Green Bay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 31, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
on a side note jerry rice set his record with just 12 games. but still fair play to the pats they're and awesome team and fair play to the giants for making a game of it, hey could easily rested their starters. None of the wild card teams look strong enough to worry any of the top seeded teams. Farve getting to the Superbowl would be a nice way for him to finish his career. but its a long shot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2007, 12:59:11 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 31, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
on a side note jerry rice set his record with just 12 games. but still fair play to the pats they're and awesome team and fair play to the giants for making a game of it, hey could easily rested their starters. None of the wild card teams look strong enough to worry any of the top seeded teams. Farve getting to the Superbowl would be a nice way for him to finish his career. but its a long shot.

Dunno if it is that big of a longshot, Cowboys are playing like a heap of shite and i know people are saying its hard to get motivated with nothing to play for but they may not be able to just switch it back on again. I actually think the Pats are going to fall short this year. Colts for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 04:43:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 30, 2007, 09:28:26 AM
Fair play to the Pats - I'm not really bothered about the play-offs now

The only thing that interests me is the possibility of Favre vs Brady in the Superbowl

Im praying for a Farve Brady superbowl.


Anyways, so there is a lot of talk on the sports networks now concerning the Patriots season and whether it will be a failure if they dont win the super bowl. After going 16-0 in the regular season, I dont see how it couldnt be a failure. Whats the point in having a regular unbeaten season, and being the best team in the nation - then going out of the playoff picture? Do any of you think the Pats can not win the superbowl and not have their season described as a failure? Bear in mind - Im not forgetting they went 16-0 - but whats the point if you dont go all the way?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 31, 2007, 07:41:22 PM
pats are actually unbeaten in 19 games in a row now, the record is 21, held by the 2003/4 pats so thats next on the line. i agree that the season will be seen as a failure if they dont win the superbowl now so i really hope they do it..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

Fair Play to Chris Henry from getting up, though I think it was his pride that helped him up, his bell was ringing I'd say. By the way I'd say Darrel Reid can expect a fine for that in the post sometime this week. Any time I got hit helmet to helmet its never nice, it does protect you but it does leave you woosey if your hit hard enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 01, 2008, 01:19:02 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

wow that could've been lethal..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2008, 03:31:22 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

:D Is Henry f**king blind? How could you not see that man coming! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
Just something I've been thinkin' about while watching NFL, now I've never been to one, missed the one before the Phins-Giants game, but tailgating parties look like a lot of fun, and I was thinking it would be great before a GAA match. Its taking the "hang-sangidges" to another level. When parking in Clonliffe college, pop open the boot get out the BBQ, open a few cans of beer (bring a slab of beer), fry some sausages, have music beltin' out the car radio, get as many other fans involved as possible, then head for the game, cuts out the pub and on a hot day would be great, bring some deck chairs, beats playing in the traffic outside Quinns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 01, 2008, 11:00:12 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
Just something I've been thinkin' about while watching NFL, now I've never been to one, missed the one before the Phins-Giants game, but tailgating parties look like a lot of fun, and I was thinking it would be great before a GAA match. Its taking the "hang-sangidges" to another level. When parking in Clonliffe college, pop open the boot get out the BBQ, open a few cans of beer (bring a slab of beer), fry some sausages, have music beltin' out the car radio, get as many other fans involved as possible, then head for the game, cuts out the pub and on a hot day would be great, bring some deck chairs, beats playing in the traffic outside Quinns.

Juice - its not just NFL - college games are just as big for tailgating pre and post game. I cant get into my office on gameday from about 8am to 3 hours after the games the wolfpack play. Its unreal. RVs, camper vans, flat out BBQing, beer bouncy castles for the kids, live bands... the list goes on, its endless. Its alot of craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2008, 11:04:42 PM
Hope the Illinois Fans enjoyed theirs!

End of Quarter 1
USC 14
Illinois 0 :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 02, 2008, 12:19:13 AM
Good start to second half for Illinois!
USC 21
Illinois 9

Been a poor game so far!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 02, 2008, 01:54:38 AM
Illini Fan here  :'(

But a better betting man took USC and the over ;D

Big game tommorrow  West Virginia vs Oklahoma


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 02, 2008, 01:56:55 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2008, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 31, 2007, 11:49:02 PM
Id only count this seasons games. Anyways, check out the hit of the year by Darrel Reid of the colts on the titans Chris Henry.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FFxNfICa2xM)

happy new year.

Fair Play to Chris Henry from getting up, though I think it was his pride that helped him up, his bell was ringing I'd say. By the way I'd say Darrel Reid can expect a fine for that in the post sometime this week. Any time I got hit helmet to helmet its never nice, it does protect you but it does leave you woosey if your hit hard enough.

Juice, the hit was legal there will be no fine. American football is more collision than contact.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 02, 2008, 09:15:55 AM
Helmet to Helmet tackles in the NFL result in a fine as far as im aware. Tho not in college football.

RE: Puckoon, yes I was aware of that, but anyway does anyone else think it would be great in the GAA environment, only problem is we dont get the same weather (in some cases ie chicago its a good thing)


By the way, Rookie of the Year? its seems to be a between Adrian Peterson and Joe Thomas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 02, 2008, 03:42:06 PM
haven't watched any bowl games so far

caught that outdoor ice hockey game played in the Bills NFL stadium - looked pretty neat
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 02, 2008, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 02, 2008, 03:42:06 PM
haven't watched any bowl games so far

caught that outdoor ice hockey game played in the Bills NFL stadium - looked pretty neat

Gabe watched the first period of that game. Ice seemed to need too much work for a NHL game. Although it brought back memories of skating as a kid on the ponds and "old time hockey".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 03, 2008, 10:40:05 AM
Thank you for making my year New England.... Another Unbelievable Comeback!!
Brady... iceman cometh in the 4th qtr...    Moss... reborn under the star of the flaming redhead!

What a team, what an organisation. I wish that some of our county managers would study their personnell operations at some stage. Obviously from a motivation perspective, they are getting the right people to do the best for them almost 100% of the time.. Feck it, I'm gonna get my boss to start following them!!

Now.. What about the Celtics.. 27 wins 3 losses... Tying the franchise record. I remember some doubters here on this board, I had my reservations, but there is no denying it now, they and the Pistons are favorites for the East, and the recent road trip out west where they went 4-0 in 5 nights shows they can mix it with anyone..

I read Bob Ryans blog in the Globe.. Boston Celtics and Patriots  are 43 for 3 since the Red Soxs turned the ALCS on its head from 3-1 down in October. wow....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 03, 2008, 10:42:56 AM
celtics doing well, lakers showing great form this season also. kobe playing like a team man, sharing the load. christmas day against the suns was as good a lakers performance as ive seen in a while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Quotewhat an organisation

who cheat
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 03, 2008, 10:42:56 AM
celtics doing well, lakers showing great form this season also. kobe playing like a team man, sharing the load. christmas day against the suns was as good a lakers performance as ive seen in a while.

Spare a thought for us Knicks fans!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 03, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked

Bill Parcells is going to bring in his own people, thats how he works. I think he can turn them around quickly, just gutted he didnt go to the Falcons. Brian Billick getting the boot was a surprise though a 9-game losing streak is horrendous in any sport, there was a severe disiplinary meltdown and Ray Lewis did openly criticise him. So i guess i shouldnt have been so surprised
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 03, 2008, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Quotewhat an organisation

who cheat

who optimise opportunities. the pats are class...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 08:31:57 PM
....less, full stop
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 03, 2008, 09:21:32 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 03, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 03, 2008, 10:42:56 AM
celtics doing well, lakers showing great form this season also. kobe playing like a team man, sharing the load. christmas day against the suns was as good a lakers performance as ive seen in a while.

Spare a thought for us Knicks fans!

I know! Did you see what Isiah Thomas said last night. He said that he was going to take the knicks to a Nba title and that he would be there for it! ::)
He has turned the Knicks into the biggest laughing stock in the NBA ffs!

FIRE ISIAH!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 03, 2008, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 03, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked

Bill Parcells is going to bring in his own people, thats how he works. I think he can turn them around quickly, just gutted he didnt go to the Falcons. Brian Billick getting the boot was a surprise though a 9-game losing streak is horrendous in any sport, there was a severe disiplinary meltdown and Ray Lewis did openly criticise him. So i guess i shouldnt have been so surprised

They will probabily trade Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas for a couple of draft picks, it is going to be a long rebuilding job down here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2008, 11:05:04 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on January 03, 2008, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 03, 2008, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Cam Cameron of the Miami Dolphins = sacked

Bill Parcells is going to bring in his own people, thats how he works. I think he can turn them around quickly, just gutted he didnt go to the Falcons. Brian Billick getting the boot was a surprise though a 9-game losing streak is horrendous in any sport, there was a severe disiplinary meltdown and Ray Lewis did openly criticise him. So i guess i shouldnt have been so surprised

They will probabily trade Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas for a couple of draft picks, it is going to be a long rebuilding job down here.

Dont think you would get much for Zach Thomas, they will probably trade down from the #1 spot in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 04, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Quotewhat an organisation

who cheat

Gabriel, obviously more qualified people than you think that the issue is/has been blown out of all proportion. Commensurate with the stratospheric standing of New England in the NFL is the critiscism they get when they fu3k up. Especially from the media... Who dislike Bellichek intensely. However, that and spygate did not stop them from voting him coach of the year last night..

So maybe you can acknowledge that there is no question of them having cheated their way to 16-0 this season.  Maybe you wont, do we care.. No. It must be killing you though, big time. Now that thought is amusing... ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 01:19:41 PM
blown out of all proportion or not - they did cheat

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80251b7e&template=with-video&confirm=true

QuoteNEW YORK -- Roger Goodell's hard line on discipline, aimed so far at players, came down this time on a coach and a team.

New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

The commissioner also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't. If the Patriots lose their first-rounder next season they still will have a first-round pick, obtained from San Francisco in the deal that brought Moss from Oakland.

"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

Reached at his home, Patriots owner Robert Kraft declined to comment.

The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 04, 2008, 03:18:07 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 01:19:41 PM
blown out of all proportion or not - they did cheat

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80251b7e&template=with-video&confirm=true

QuoteNEW YORK -- Roger Goodell's hard line on discipline, aimed so far at players, came down this time on a coach and a team.

New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 Thursday and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals.

The commissioner also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't. If the Patriots lose their first-rounder next season they still will have a first-round pick, obtained from San Francisco in the deal that brought Moss from Oakland.

"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid longstanding rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

Reached at his home, Patriots owner Robert Kraft declined to comment.

The videotaping came to light after a camera was confiscated from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 win last Sunday at Giants Stadium.


Not arguing that they were the first to be sanctioned for videotaping. They were caught cheating at halftime in the Jets game, the first game of the season.
Obviously, they have not used taping since. So the 16-0 is clean cut dominance - can you acknowledge that at least...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2008, 09:35:23 PM
Selections for weekend in bold -

Washington Redskins at Seattle Seahawks - Redskins Redskins are playing their best football at the right time.
Jacksonville Jaguars at Pittsburgh Steelers -  Jaguars Doubt if Steelers can stop Taylor & Jones- Drew

New York Giants at Tampa Bay Buccanneers - Giants If Manning plays smart they should win.
Tennessee Titans at San Diego Chargers - Chargers Too many weapons, no offense for Titans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Seahawks - are 7 and 1 at home this season
I think the Jags as well - too much running

Giants - are 7 and 1 on the road this season
Chargers - just cos
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2008, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Seahawks - are 7 and 1 at home this season
I think the Jags as well - too much running

Giants - are 7 and 1 on the road this season
Chargers - just cos

Aye that probably is the toughest one to call, that record is padded by playing in a shit division though & they cant run the ball lately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:05:51 AM
Hopefully the bowl game (Rutgers vs Ball State) finishes good and early tomorrow so I can get to the pub and see the NFL games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:11:31 AM
Rutgers are 11 point favourites. Im not touching it. Seattle are -3 against the redskins, cant pick that one either. The Chargers are -10 against Tennesse and the Jags are -2.5 against pittsburgh. Cant pick any of them on those spreads. The bowl games have killed most parlays, but thankfully I took the lakers and the pistons to recoup my losses this week.

Bellichick won coach of the year or something like that today? I kinda half heard while feedin the bab.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:15:19 AM
AP Coach of the year - he had to get it really

doesn't stop me from thinking he's an awful arsehole though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 05, 2008, 06:16:31 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:15:19 AM
AP Coach of the year - he had to get it really

doesn't stop me from thinking he's an awful arsehole though


Why do you say that Gabe?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:18:54 AM
his team did finish 16-0 - who else could get it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:19:39 AM
You are absolutely right gabriel, he is, but he also wants to be one and plays it up a little lot.

I think he meant why do you think he is an awful arsehole.



BTW, the lakers are kicking ass and taking names at the minute. Going to be interesting later in the season. Big game tomorrow for Boston and Detroit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2008, 06:23:23 AM
i know what he meant  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:25:16 AM
ahem, right oh! Ill shuffle off now then :-[
;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 05, 2008, 01:01:00 PM
i think your off the mark with the pats there gabriel. anyway if they do go on to win the superbowl they will have one tough run it with maybe the colts and dallas to play yet if things go to plan..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2008, 11:13:54 PM
10-0 Seahawks at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:01:20 AM
13-0 after 3rd Q
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:06:57 AM
13-7. Redskins turning the screw and just turned it over. Can see OT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 06, 2008, 12:07:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:01:20 AM
13-0 after 3rd Q

14-13 Skins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:16:26 AM
Washington a team possessed.
Missed a simple FG though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:26:22 AM
W 14-13 S - 6 mins. Seattle in play.

Great finish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:27:00 AM
TD SEATTLE!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:29:56 AM
Seattle 21-14. 6 Mins.

Great shot of Seattle QB celebrating before the ball had even been received by Hackett . 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 12:32:47 AM
TD interception seattle. 28-14. I bet the over in this game (39 points). Im going to contrast with emoticons how I felt at the end of the 3rd quarter  :'( to how I feel after that interception touchdown by seattle. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 12:34:04 AM
Brilliant. Trufant intercepts and runs 78 yards for TD.

28-14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 12:51:15 AM
Another interception - Seattle touchdown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 01:11:21 AM
35-14. Crazy 4th quarter.

As for tomorrow - - GO CHARGERS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 06, 2008, 01:22:09 AM

  Had a wee flutter on the Seahawks myself today ;D
  back to Lambeau field for Holmgren, should be a good one 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 06, 2008, 01:30:10 AM
Good start to the Jag/Steelers game too 7-7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 06, 2008, 03:47:45 AM
Steelers making a comeback, looks like a great 4th quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 06, 2008, 04:44:29 AM
Stayed up for this one. Great game. Jags v Pats next week should be a barnburner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 06, 2008, 08:30:29 AM
shouldn't even be that close - the refs were sooooooooooooo por-steelers it wasn't even funny
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 06:31:18 PM
Touchdown Tampa >:(

Giants 0
Buccs 7

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 06:57:01 PM
Giants touchdown!
Giants 7
Buccs 7
Waiting on Giants and Chargers for a nice wee lifter! ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 07:21:34 PM
Half time
Giants 14
Buccs  7
Not a great game but i expect it go right to the wire!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 06, 2008, 08:24:17 PM
24 to 7 - 8 minutes left - should be enough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 08:37:22 PM
24-14, just over three mins left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
Tampa touchdown will kill me!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 06, 2008, 08:49:46 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
Tampa touchdown will kill me!!

Whta was the spread?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 08:50:27 PM
game over!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:52:23 PM
Nice interception ;D
Tampa were 3 pt Fav, was worried had thought for a while there the giants were!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 08:54:41 PM
Now waiting for Chargers got them at 9 :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 09:25:44 PM
Thats not a bad spread carmen - the chargers were 10 in reno this morning. I didnt get in to do my bet because of the stupid weather.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2008, 09:39:56 PM
They started at 8 1/2
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 09:42:08 PM
Have big hot dog, big crisps and root beer.

Bring it on LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 06, 2008, 09:43:54 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 09:25:44 PM
Thats not a bad spread carmen - the chargers were 10 in reno this morning. I didnt get in to do my bet because of the stupid weather.

no online gambling in the good ole USA!!

dallas/giants should be good next sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 10:34:49 PM
i used bodog.com for online gamblin over there is it not still going?

not the most excitig game, cant run against that titan def!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 10:50:17 PM
SD finding it tough going. 0-3 towards end of 2Q

Scores hard to come by.

Charger Girls are great though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 10:57:59 PM
6-0 Tennessee at HT.

They seem to be adept at that and shut out SD earlier in the year at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 11:11:41 PM
watchin on some danish net tv, is gates out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 06, 2008, 11:21:08 PM
Yep
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 11:40:03 PM
TD SD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 06, 2008, 11:40:50 PM
SD 10 TT 6 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 11:43:47 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 06, 2008, 11:52:05 PM
titans miss fg 10-6 4yh qu!

;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2008, 11:53:29 PM
Thats criminal. Good lord those charger girls are great. I wish it would rain a little harder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:03:51 AM
Come on Chargers!
:'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2008, 12:12:49 AM
LT TD extra point good!

17 - 6

spread covered?!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 12:14:50 AM
Yeah. Dont know that it was more than chargers-10 anywhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:16:07 AM
Say nothing yet lads!  :-X
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:20:23 AM
Roger Clemens interveiw on 60 minutes tonight should be interesting!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:24:04 AM
Definitely heading over there. Those Charger Girls probably don't know the delights of the Washingbay.

Can't understand how that was a LT touchdown. Was he not stopped?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:26:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:24:04 AM
Definitely heading over there. Those Charger Girls probably don't know the delights of the Washingbay.

Can't understand how that was a LT touchdown. Was he not stopped?
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Funny i thought that myself! His forward movement was stopped short for sure!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2008, 12:27:06 AM
im no expert at all but though he was stopped he wasnt down therefore still in play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:30:14 AM
That interception should do it now ;D
I thought the rule was that you mark it were the forward motion is stopped, but i guess the titans would have challenged it had they thought it was short!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 07, 2008, 12:31:48 AM
did they not challenge it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:32:15 AM
Caught this:

QuoteA player is stopped when his knees touch the ground either because he was tackled by a defensive player or because he fell.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:34:16 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:32:15 AM
Caught this:

QuoteA player is stopped when his knees touch the ground either because he was tackled by a defensive player or because he fell.
Thats that then!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 12:35:17 AM
I think they awarded it for the second reach, after he had been stopped. In the play before, where he was brought down at the 1 yard line, was I the only person that noticed the titans coach physically alluding to his players that the player with the visor (i.e.LT) was going to be the receiver?! ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 07, 2008, 12:36:54 AM
Also this though:
Quote
A down ends, and the ball becomes dead, after any of the following:

    * The player with the ball is forced to the ground (tackled) or has his forward progress halted by members of the other team (as determined by an official).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 07, 2008, 12:37:19 AM
Found this

What is the NFL rule on forward motion?
How does the ref decide where to spot the ball when the player is stopped standing up and driven backwards before his knee touches the ground?

What is the forward motion rule, and when is it invoked?


By rule, the linesmen (and there are two of them) is looking at the ball and will place it at it's furthest point forward on the carry. Now if the player is standing straight up carrying the ball or leaning it does not matter. So if he is standing like you mentioned, his progress is stopped and he is being pushed back. At this time his forward movement is stopped and the play is whistled dead. The ball will be brought to it's most forward position.

So forward movement being stopped and knee on the ground can equal the same thing in spotting the ball.

Easiest question to ever answer on here they place the ball as far as the player goes, so if he carries for ten yards then is pushed back they mark him to the furthest point he achieved Report It

Wherever he stopped going forward, or whenever he started getting pushed back. The rule is that if a player has been forced backwards, they give him the ball wherever he or she stopped going FORWARD.
Forward progress is a judgment call.

As such, it varies from game to game, and ref to ref. Basically, he gives the runner as much yardage as where he is stopped. I'd imagine it takes years to develop the skills to watch these guys run, then decide where on the field they stopped.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2008, 12:47:35 AM
Grr Im annoyed at that one, much rather have seen the Titans win it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 07, 2008, 01:01:11 AM
Next weekend

AFC

Jaguars @ Patriots

Chargers @ Colts

NFC

Seahawks @ Packers

Giants @ Cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 07, 2008, 02:48:12 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 05, 2008, 06:19:39 AM
You are absolutely right gabriel, he is, but he also wants to be one and plays it up a little lot.

I think he meant why do you think he is an awful arsehole.



BTW, the lakers are kicking ass and taking names at the minute. Going to be interesting later in the season. Big game tomorrow for Boston and Detroit.

you are right puck he plays it up. The players respect him and want to play for him, proven day in day out. You cant be a complete arsehole if you are so consistently getting the best from your team. Gabriel Im afraid you are talking thru green tinted glasses..

Speakng of green, check out the NBA article. The rebirth of Boston Celtic basketball is a tide that is lifting all boats... Boston 92 Detroit 85
http://www.nba.com/global/traffic_records_071213.html (http://www.nba.com/global/traffic_records_071213.html)
Please God, send us a Celtics v Lakers Finals in June!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 03:56:25 AM
Anyone watching the 60 minutes interview with Roger Clemence - the man looks as guilty as sin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2008, 03:10:09 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 12:35:17 AM
was I the only person that noticed the titans coach physically alluding to his players that the player with the visor (i.e.LT) was going to be the receiver?! ???

Yeah, it took me a sec to cop on as to what that meant, but it seems the titans didnt. So does anyone reckon the Giants can beat the Cowboys. They figured out the Bucs easily enough, but whether they can stop the Dallas offense is the big question. The Giants just arent as explosive as the Cowboys and that for me might be the difference. That said the Cowboys had a dip in form in the last few weeks, but that was after their play-off berth was assured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2008, 03:17:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 04, 2008, 09:35:23 PM
Selections for weekend in bold -

Washington Redskins at Seattle Seahawks - Redskins Redskins are playing their best football at the right time.
Jacksonville Jaguars at Pittsburgh Steelers -  Jaguars Doubt if Steelers can stop Taylor & Jones- Drew

New York Giants at Tampa Bay Buccanneers - Giants If Manning plays smart they should win.
Tennessee Titans at San Diego Chargers - Chargers Too many weapons, no offense for Titans.

3 outta 4 aint bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2008, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Seahawks - are 7 and 1 at home this season
I think the Jags as well - too much running

Giants - are 7 and 1 on the road this season
Chargers - just cos

4/4 is better 8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 05:27:06 PM
Boys, picking is childs play! Hit the spreads, ill post next weeks and see how we all get on. :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 07, 2008, 07:25:29 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 07, 2008, 03:56:25 AM
Anyone watching the 60 minutes interview with Roger Clemence - the man looks as guilty as sin.


He nearly shit himself with the mention of the lie detector test :D
His trainer has absolutley nothing to gain by lying and everything to gain
by telling the truth imo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2008, 07:47:34 PM
poor auld roger- the weird thing is he's lying to protect his "legacy" no financial impact, no suspension, and no jail time as far as I can make out...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 07, 2008, 10:31:15 PM
nice tribute to the new england patriots in yesterdays indo, better than the 1970s brazil even...


Brady's bunch play the beautiful game

Our national interest in American Football may have diminished somewhat since the days when any overweight youngster had a better than average chance of being called, 'The Refrigerator', but if you've been ignoring the NFL lately you've just missed one of the greatest team sporting achievements of all-time.


It's not just that the New England Patriots have become only the second team of modern times to go through a regular season unbeaten, it's that they've done so by playing football at a level without previous analogue.

When the Miami Dolphins set the record in 1972, they were a by-word for grim, almost military efficiency, something memorably pointed out by Hunter S Thompson in a legendary article on that season's Superbowl. The Patriots, on the other hand, are more fun to watch than Brazil 1970. I can't quite remember a team in any sport being quite so consistently exhilarating.

Their 38-35 win over the New York Giants last weekend not only gave them the unbeaten record, it also left them with the all-time record points tally. Meanwhile, quarterback Tom Brady's fourth-quarter touchdown pass to wide receiver Randy Moss was a double whammy which left Brady with the record for touchdowns thrown in a season and Moss with the one for touchdowns received.

For good measure, the record was achieved on the team's most difficult night of the season. An inspired Giants team led 28-16 at one stage, the biggest lead any team held over the Patriots all season. It didn't make any difference to the boys from Boston who once more swashbuckled their way to victory.

The good news, if you've fallen behind on your NFL viewing, is that the Patriots now go into the play-offs. There is always the possibility of an upset against the likes of reigning champions Indianapolis Colts, but Brady and the Patriots are famous for actually moving up a gear at the business end of the season, hence their three Superbowl victories in 2002, 2004 and 2005.

Do yourself a favour and watch them in action. Because when a team is this good, they transcend the boundaries of the actual game they're playing and become the property of everyone who appreciates excellence and beauty.

- Eamonn Sweeney

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 08, 2008, 05:00:24 PM
Roger Clemens filed a deformation suit against former trainer yesterday. He did a live interview on ESPN (i think) where he played a recorded transcript of a taped telephone call he had with trainer Brian McNamee. Its getting hot now boys.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494)


Quote

Roger Clemens repeatedly denied using steroids during a telephone conversation with Brian McNamee, but the former trainer would not confirm or deny his claims.

On Monday in Houston, Clemens and his lawyer played a tape of a 17-minute conversation between the pitcher and trainer last week as Clemens continues his defense against allegations in the Mitchell report that he used performance-enhancing drugs.

McNamee told the Mitchell Commission that he injected the seven-time Cy Young Award winner with steroids and human growth hormone 16-21 times in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Clemens asserts that the trainer injected him with only the painkiller lidocaine and the vitamin B-12.


"For the life of me I'm trying to figure out why you told guys I did steroids," Clemens said to McNamee on the tape.

"I understand that," McNamee responded.

Over and over, Clemens makes statements like, "I just want the truth out there and like I said, I can't believe what is being said," and, "Just the stuff I'm reading and hearing, so much of it is untrue and it's just tearing everyone apart."

But McNamee never says that he lied to the Mitchell Commission regarding Clemens' alleged steroid use. He does repeatedly ask what he can do for Clemens -- 21 times to be exact.

"I'm telling the truth and I want it out there," Clemens said, and McNamee responded, "Tell me what you want me to do. I'll go to jail. I'll do whatever you want."

At no point in the conversation does McNamee say that he would be willing to say that Clemens did not take steroids, and Clemens does not ask him to.

Asked why Clemens never directly answered the "what do you want me to do" question, his attorney, Rusty Hardin, said:

"The last thing Roger wanted, just as we did, was any suggestion that we were trying to interfere or coerce a federal witness. So, yeah, all he kept saying [was] nothing. Except you hear him throughout saying, 'Tell the truth.'"

McNamee did not know the conversation was being recorded. Under state law in New York and Texas, only one party has to give consent for a phone conversation to be taped.

Richard Emery, one of McNamee's lawyers, told The New York Times on Monday that the tape is authentic, but he also expressed outrage that Clemens had taped the conversation.

"It's war now," he said, according to the newspaper. "This guy will stop at nothing."

McNamee is obviously distraught in the profanity-laced conversation. Saying his son is sick and that he has no money, McNamee added, "it is what it is, and it's not good. And I want it to go away. And I'm with you. I'm in your corner. I don't want this to happen. But I'd also like not to go to jail, too. But it has nothing to do with you."

Emery said Brian McNamee Jr., 10, has celiac disease, which damages the small intestine and interferes with absorption of nutrients from food.

"It's outrageous and disgusting for them to for their own cynical purposes, to perpetuate a continuing lie, to use this child and splay his disease and disability all over the press for the world to know," Emery said. "It just shows they'll go to any lengths."

As for his money problems, McNamee said: "I'm not doing a book deal. I got offered seven figures to go on TV. I didn't do it. I didn't take it. I didn't do anything. All I did was what I thought was right -- I never thought it was right, but I thought that I had no other choice, put it that way."

McNamee says a number of times that he would "like to sit down in person with you."

Clemens does not agree to meet, instead saying, "Just give me a little time."

Another of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, told Andrew Marchand of ESPN 1050 radio in New York that "the tape adds absolutely nothing."

He also said that McNamee will not speak again until he testifies Jan. 16 to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

As for his reaction to learning that McNamee had spoken with Clemens, Ward said, "I was surprised. I wasn't pleased."

After the tape was played, Hardin said Clemens was willing to speak to Congress. Clemens and McNamee were invited to Washington to testify.

Clemens' former teammates Andy Pettitte and Chuck Knoblauch also have been asked to testify. Pettitte hired Jay Reisinger, the lawyer who represented Sammy Sosa before the committee three years ago.

Kirk Radomski also was asked to appear before the committee. In the Mitchell report, McNamee said he obtained the drugs he used to inject Clemens from the former Mets clubhouse attendant or Clemens supplied them.

"I'm going to Congress and I'm going to tell the truth," Clemens said. "I'm going to tell everything that I know about the situations and steroids and anything else that I have knowledge about, which isn't a lot."

The committee planned to ask Clemens' representatives for the complete recording of the telephone conversation played at the news conference, said Karen Lightfoot, communications director for the panel's chairman, California Democrat Henry Waxman.

Laying out a timeline of events, Hardin said on Monday that they did find out before the release of the Mitchell report that McNamee had made incriminating statements about Clemens. They decided not to respond, Hardin said, because it was not clear if the report would name names.


  • EnlargeAP Photo/David J. Phillip

    Roger Clemens, left, and his lawyer, Rusty Hardin listen to the tape.

    They also had another hope.

    "Roger thought that since it was so untrue, perhaps Brian McNamee would change his mind," Hardin said.

    The New York Daily News also reported on Monday that days before the scheduled release of the Mitchell report, Clemens' investigators asked McNamee whether he would be willing to recant.

    McNamee reportedly called Clemens and Pettitte to warn them that he had spoken to the government. During an interview on "60 Minutes" which aired on Sunday night, Clemens denied knowing that he would be named by Mitchell.

    McNamee said during the call to Clemens that in 2004 he warned Jim Murray, who works for Clemens' agents, to be prepared for a link to Radomski to come out.

    "Any suggestion by Brian McNamee that he gave the name of Kirk Radomski to anyone at our firm is erroneous," Hendricks Sports Management said in a statement.

    Clemens filed a defamation lawsuit against McNamee Sunday night in Harris County District Court in Texas, listing 15 alleged statements McNamee made to Mitchell. Clemens claimed the statements were "untrue and defamatory."

    "We are ready to go to Congress and we are ready to countersue," Ward said, adding that they will first try to get Clemens' suit thrown out before they decide for sure if they will sue.

    Also Sunday, McNamee told SI.com that Clemens was "in no way an abuser of steroids."

    "He took them in late July, August, and never for more than four to six weeks max," he was quoted as saying. "Within the culture of what was going on, he was just a small part of it. A lot of guys did it. You can't take away the work Roger did. You can't take away the fact that he worked out as hard as anybody."

    Hardin said he is recommending that Clemens not take a lie-detector test.

    "I think he's the one guy who could probably beat the test," McNamee told SI.com. "He might actually believe that he's telling the truth."

    Monday was the first time Clemens answered questions from a group of reporters.

    His anger at reporters for the way he has been portrayed was clear when he mentioned the Hall of Fame. There has been speculation that the allegations in the Mitchell report would hurt his chances for induction.

    "Do you think I played my career because I care about the Hall of Fame? ... If you have a vote ... you keep your vote," he said and walked off shortly afterward.

    Clemens angrily denied taking performance-enhancing drugs on Sunday as well. His appearance came after weeks of criticism that he wasn't publicly denying the allegations.

    Hardin said on Monday the legal team told the pitcher to wait.

    "We knew that once this came out, there would surely be congressional hearings," Hardin said.

    Hardin also wanted to make clear that Clemens and his legal team were not questioning the integrity of former senator George Mitchell.

    "We are not making any allegations of misconduct by the government or the Mitchell Commission," he said.

    On Monday, Mitchell said the characterization of the interview as a 'Cold War interrogation,' in which McNamee was read a statement and asked to confirm it, was false, according to the New York Daily News.


    "At the outset of each of the interviews, the federal law enforcement officials told McNamee that he should just tell the truth and warned him that he faced criminal jeopardy if he made any false statements," Mitchell said, according to the Daily News. "Also at each of the interviews, I told him that all I asked of him was the truth, nothing more and nothing less. He said that he understood and would comply.

    "Occasionally, members of my investigative staff or some of the federal law enforcement officials who were present asked questions or sought clarification. There was no 'Cold War era' reading of McNamee's prior statements by any federal official, as alleged," Mitchell said, according to the Daily News.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
he's guilty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2008, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
he's guilty

......as sin. Trainer does not really have anything to gain from lying.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2008, 01:13:03 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
he's guilty

After watching 60 minutes, Id agree.
After watching his ESPN press conference, im not so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 09, 2008, 02:11:19 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
he's guilty

Those are dangerous words around here these days lads ::) :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2008, 10:57:08 AM
Just wondering lads has any one here ever been to a play off game or even the superbowl or is that just mission impossible?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2008, 11:07:42 AM
Your man on TV3 who does the sport was talking about the NFL last night and the lead up to the superbowl.  Cant wait for the weekend until the New England Patriots take on the Jacksonville Tigers as New England want to get to their first Superbowl in two years... ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
jaguars?!

would love nothing more than pats to reach the afc final and chargers to kick their a** (colts first of course!)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2008, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2008, 10:57:08 AM
Just wondering lads has any one here ever been to a play off game or even the superbowl or is that just mission impossible?

Considering the last 2 Superbowls were played in stadia smaller than croker, and the population difference, I'd say its very difficult to get tickets. Would do anything to go to a Superbowl or Championship game.

I reckon Jaguars have a good shot at the pats. They have the best running game in the league, and David Gerrard is a great QB. But they'll have to have a flawless game and their D will need to be immense. Anyone know what the lowest the Pats have scored in a game this season?

On a side note, from a sporting point of view, Boston seems to be the place to be. Three major American trophies could be heading that way this year, I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2008, 02:58:48 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2008, 02:56:42 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2008, 10:57:08 AM
Just wondering lads has any one here ever been to a play off game or even the superbowl or is that just mission impossible?

Considering the last 2 Superbowls were played in stadia smaller than croker, and the population difference, I'd say its very difficult to get tickets. Would do anything to go to a Superbowl or Championship game.

I reckon Jaguars have a good shot at the pats. They have the best running game in the league, and David Gerrard is a great QB. But they'll have to have a flawless game and their D will need to be immense. Anyone know what the lowest the Pats have scored in a game this season?

On a side note, from a sporting point of view, Boston seems to be the place to be. Three major American trophies could be heading that way this year, I think.

Id say they have the best shot of most of the teams left, however - If you give Bill Belichick 2 weeks preparation and a flawless injury roster I would be very very scared for the jags. The man is a perfectionist machine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2008, 03:03:54 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2008, 02:56:42 PMAnyone know what the lowest the Pats have scored in a game this season?

20 points vs the Jets in Week 15
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 09, 2008, 03:10:52 PM
Had the pats home field advantage the years they won the superbowls?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2008, 03:20:10 PM
of the 3 times they won the AFC Championship game - only one was held in New England - the other 2 were in Pittsburgh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 09, 2008, 03:25:30 PM
I've been to playoff games in New York, in baseball and football, its really not that difficult to source the tickets, the problem can be the price. There are state laws about how much over the odds you can pay but they just don't seem to be enforced. If you're willing to pay you can get tickets on stubhub or ebay.
Of course the corporate ticket is the easiest answer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2008, 03:27:20 PM
I've been to a play-off NBA and NHL game

although hegan thinks NHL isn't a proper American sport  ???
Title: Superbowl in London
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2008, 05:17:15 PM
Anyone going to be around London for the Superbowl?? last year we went to Cheers, its was deadly, got fairly hammered that night. Couldnt remember the second half, had to ask me cousin the next morning, "the Colts did win right". Made the mistake of wearing a Buffalo Bills jersey(im not a fan) , got the piss taken out of me by everyone.

Chances of getting into Superbash are slim, its a lottery on NFLUK. But if you cant get to that, Cheers is good. Anyone know of any other places around London that have something on for the Superbowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 09, 2008, 05:35:39 PM
Quotealthough hegan thinks NHL isn't a proper American sport

NHL = 2D hurling with girly pads and misshapen hurls played on ice ffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2008, 05:56:45 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 12:27:01 PM
jaguars?!

would love nothing more than pats to reach the afc final and chargers to kick their a** (colts first of course!)

Yes I know, I'm just pointing out the mistakes that your man on TV3 made last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 09, 2008, 06:13:24 PM
dead on thought you knew!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 12, 2008, 12:58:21 PM
what about them pats tonight? vegas has them at 1/6 to win the superbowl. cant touch them at that price..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 09:42:28 PM
bad start for Green Bay :o
Seattle 7
Green Bay 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 09:44:01 PM
Turned it over again :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 09:52:44 PM
Seattle 14
Green Bay 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 10:00:06 PM
TD Green Bay Farve looks good!
Seattle 14
Green Bay 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2008, 10:22:33 PM
TD Green Bay! Grant makes amends for his two fumbles, Great game :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2008, 11:11:39 PM
best 1st half in a long long time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone exile on January 12, 2008, 11:29:04 PM
Td green bay
17-35
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 12:21:23 AM
If the patriots game tonight is as good as this one, Ill be a rich, I mean happy man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone exile on January 13, 2008, 01:45:53 AM
 :D well i cant see any kind of upset in that game!
that should never been a touchdown for jacksonville
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 13, 2008, 03:05:37 AM
You hav to love that 'statue of liberty' play for Welker's Td. Patriots 21 Jaguars 14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 04:11:30 AM
Beautiful day at the sports book for Puck.

The packers and seagulls took the packers and the over

Jaguars Vs Patriots took the jags (+14) and the over.

50$ parlay at 10-1.

Now I got some money to lose tomorrow on those two ugly games. Colts -9 against the chargers and the cowboys -7.5 against the giants?


Can anyone reasonably pick either of those?   ???


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 13, 2008, 10:26:46 AM
Take the over and Indy.

or

Indy and NYG   Romo tends to fold under pressure right now(short career).

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 03:46:34 PM
Im definitely looking at the over, but I cant give any team -9 points against LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 03:58:26 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 13, 2008, 03:59:46 PM
Have the Giants and the Chargers taken! Hoping for two tight matches. Impressed with Green Bay yesterday not so much with New England although it says alot about them that they can still win so easily.
Giants got to test TO s ankle early, Cowboys not the same without him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 04:16:25 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 13, 2008, 03:59:46 PM
Have the Giants and the Chargers taken! Hoping for two tight matches. Impressed with Green Bay yesterday not so much with New England although it says alot about them that they can still win so easily.
Giants got to test TO s ankle early, Cowboys not the same without him!


Well If your name didnt give it away - that did the trick right there ;)


O'Neill you think the chargers are going to win it outright, or cover a 9 point spread?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 06:11:12 PM
so sports fans, did tom brady sell the dive to pick up a 15yd penalty in the 3rd quarter?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 06:57:35 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 04:16:25 PM

O'Neill you think the chargers are going to win it outright, or cover a 9 point spread?

Ach I've been a Chargers fan from around 1990. Realistically, this game could be their Everest - though I still have a dream they'll take out the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:09:57 PM
anyone know where to watch it online?

myp2p.eu not workin!!

just watchin nfl game centre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on January 13, 2008, 07:11:35 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 04:11:30 AM
Beautiful day at the sports book for Puck.

The packers and seagulls took the packers and the over

Jaguars Vs Patriots took the jags (+14) and the over.

50$ parlay at 10-1.

Now I got some money to lose tomorrow on those two ugly games. Colts -9 against the chargers and the cowboys -7.5 against the giants?


Can anyone reasonably pick either of those?   ???




what is and the over, is a parley a double?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on January 13, 2008, 07:16:14 PM
the chargers v colts game is on myp2p http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=4648&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=4648&part=sports)

watching it on Ohio Sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Square Ball on January 13, 2008, 07:17:18 PM
sopcast channel 39130
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:20:34 PM
says 39130 not valid and for some reason cant access through myp2p keeps going to soccer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:22:31 PM
got it cheers square ball wasnt the same watchin on nfl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:30:03 PM
RAGING

>:( >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 07:37:08 PM
despite a poor 1st half I fancy indy. Chargers D are playing brilliantly. Fair play to manning for the tackle on the interception, it was ballsy. Harrison looks rusty, interesting 2nd half ahead. Chargers running is excellent. More evenly matched than I thought...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 07:50:11 PM
what a throw, peyton who?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 07:56:07 PM
Chargers have played a strong 4th quarter this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
manning has had 2 tipped passes intercepted, nasty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:00:47 PM
...on the 2 yrd line. First time the Chargers Defence looked helpless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 08:03:06 PM
colts just lost the defensive player of the year- my guess broken arm, I've seen that look before on my own arm.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:20:57 PM
Great atmosphere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:23:03 PM
Did LD start?

SD 21 Colts 17

End of 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 13, 2008, 08:25:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:20:57 PM
Great atmosphere.

the place is hopping.. some game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
LT?

injured in 2nd i think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:34:20 PM
SD hanging on it seems. Colts look more likely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2008, 08:45:22 PM
Parlay is like an accumulator - where all bets need to come in. 3 out of 4 is no good.
The over is the combined score of both teams in the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 13, 2008, 08:49:27 PM
anywhere on line i could watch the giants game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 08:58:16 PM
Can't take this.

SD 28 Colts 24. 5 mins.

No Rivers nor LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 09:10:07 PM
2 minutes and looks like chargers have it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 13, 2008, 09:17:05 PM
Game over, chargers hav it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
Yahooooo!!

No pressure next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:22:17 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

unreal game!to win without rivers (who was immense while on) and LT is brilliant!!!

now for Revenge!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Bolts v Cheats next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 13, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Bolts v Cheats next week.
ooo, harsh!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 09:26:07 PM
It's in NE?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 13, 2008, 09:26:07 PM
It's in NE?

Yep, Pats (AFC) and Cowboys (NFC) have homefield advantage for duration of playoffs due to having best regular season record in respective conferences.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 13, 2008, 09:29:57 PM
Patriots will be happy with that. Chargers and Colts beat the hell out of each other. Some walking wounded amongst the Chargers.

How big a tool is Rivers though? Mouthing off to the fans at the end. Roaring abuse at Jay Cutler a few weeks ago. That fella can't keep his gob shut.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:32:50 PM
id say the line was takin some abuse, all the same shouldn't hav bothered with them!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:34:08 PM
strange one but...

anyone know where to watch nfl in pas de la casa andorra??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:37:10 PM
Quote from: lfdown2 on January 13, 2008, 09:32:50 PM
id say the line was takin some abuse, all the same shouldn't hav bothered with them!
As does every travelling team each week in the NFL......He is a tool.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 13, 2008, 09:56:05 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 13, 2008, 09:29:57 PM
Patriots will be happy with that. Chargers and Colts beat the hell out of each other. Some walking wounded amongst the Chargers.

How big a tool is Rivers though? Mouthing off to the fans at the end. Roaring abuse at Jay Cutler a few weeks ago. That fella can't keep his gob shut.

hes a muppet..

Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2008, 09:23:14 PM
Bolts v Cheats next week.

bolts v perfection you mean
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2008, 10:29:36 PM
The record is perfecr by fair means or foul...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2008, 11:05:52 PM
compromise then

Bolts vs  Perfect Cheats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2008, 11:15:02 PM
another good first half

the games have all been excellent so far this weekend
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 12:21:17 AM
and finally the giants sack romo...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 14, 2008, 12:28:24 AM
Stayed away from the football games.

Put a little money on the NBA instead. Should be a half decent evening watching ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 12:51:10 AM
yet another great game... well done the giants, romo took some beating in the last quarter. delighted to see jerry jones crestfallen face at the end..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 12:56:12 AM
Next weekend.

Chargers @ Patriots

Giants @ Packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 14, 2008, 12:57:45 AM
In fairness, the Giants stole that they were outplayed the entire game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 14, 2008, 01:07:22 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 14, 2008, 12:57:45 AM
In fairness, the Giants stole that they were outplayed the entire game...

Bollocks. I backed both winners today. The pack are hosting the NFC championship game next week and we have been offered four grand to give up the house for next weekend as we live ten minutes from lambeau.

The cheats are going to the superbowl as are the pack. The pats will win it but it will be very close.

Heganboy, the giants won despite several home town calls and I am delighted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 14, 2008, 01:20:31 AM
stew, I am delighted the Giants won too, however the number of dropped passes that the Cowboys had in wide open space was unreal. Giants D put no pressure on Romo the entire first half. Manning's second scoring drive was fantastic (the 48 second run). However Dallas controlled the ball (due in no small part to the injuries the Giants D picked up) and Barber had a stormer.

Looking forward to the Green Bay match up.

If you don't like the Pats (like me for example) I think that Green Bay have a better chance of stopping them than NYG however the Coughlin decision to go full barrel after the pats in the last game of the season could pay off in spades if they get them in the Superbowl. 2 Mannings in a row?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2008, 04:04:24 AM
Two months ago people in New York were dispairing of Manning ever maturing into a reliable, mature quarterback. Its amazing how quickly things can change!

Great win for the Giants. The defense had to put in some serious overtime, but Manning came up with the opportunities when they mattered. Romo looked like he was about to lose it completely in the fourth quarter, especially after he threw the ball out of play when no one was near him! Its fairly certain that Favre and, presumably Brady, will be a bit better in their decision making when the pressure is on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 14, 2008, 05:30:11 AM

  Have to agree, it's Brady's to lose now at this point, can't say I'd be too
disappointed being that he's a home town boy an all.
Surprised at the begrudging surrounding the Pats, a finely oiled machine
that will stop at nothing to beat that dolphin's record and fair play to them imo!
I was looking for a Jax win myself but they simply weren't good enough and i can't
see the chargers getting it done either especially with injuries staring them in the face now.
It would be great to see Favre pick up another one but he'd have it all to do..
Giants - Pats superbowl i think!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 14, 2008, 09:31:48 AM
TO - Greenbay will win the NFC I think.

If they do, and they can keep it close in the superbowl, anything can happen down the stretch with favre. He needs to not force it and he will do well. In addition, Green Bay have the defensive backs to put a little squeeze on the Pats reveivers. Anything can happen, but thats how I see it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2008, 10:30:33 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 12:51:10 AM
yet another great game... well done the giants, romo took some beating in the last quarter. delighted to see jerry jones crestfallen face at the end..

Surgically enhanced crestfallen face. Cowboys picked a bad time of the year to start playing garbage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on January 14, 2008, 02:22:26 PM
All Hail Tom Brady... All Hail New England Patriots.. :D

The Chargers will be a tough match-up. A very different team to the one that NE beat 38-14 earlier this year. Revenge is on the Chargers side, but the Pats O-line will relish another chance to shut LT up again if he plays.

Perfection here we come....

Kudos to Brett Favre and the Pack. Also to the Giants, I agree with the previous poster who said it was great to see Jerry Jones' crestfallen mug after the game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 14, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
(http://photos.signonsandiego.com/gallery1.5/albums/061029rams/KC_ChargersRams189crop.jpg)

Step up 'Lights Out'!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Great games this weekend. A few random thoughts.

Green Bay v New York Giants. In the Frozen Tundra, (great to see the snow piling down like that. Old-school) I would expect Favre to pick the Giant's secondary apart. The Pack are young and psyched, and Favre is used to being knocked around, so even if Umenyura (sp?), Strahan and co get pressure/sacks/hits in on him, he won't implode like Romo did. Favre is an old-stlye, smack them in the mouth and then tap them on the arse type player. Also the experience of bouncing back from two nightmares in the opening two possesions will stand to Grant, who really looks like a galloping tailback. The Giant's secondary is banged up, and I couldn't believe that Witten and Owens didn't get more of the ball. Favre will make sure the likes of Driver and Jennings are given a chance to exploit matchups. Manning is playing good, safe, football. That's vital in the playoffs, but the likes of Bigby, Woodson, Harris and Pickett will be teeing up on the Giant's receivers all day. If the Giant's can run the ball through Jacobs and Bradshaw and can control the clock, keeping Favre cooling his jets on the sideline, then Favre might start taking risks out of impatience, but if the Packers defence can force Manning into throwing the ball, and can eliminate the 6 and 7 minute drives, even if they give up a few scores, I think the Pack are back.

Green Bay by 6


New England Patriots v San Diego Chargers

Great performance and victory by the Chargers on Sunday, but at what cost? It seems cruel that with Lorenzo Neal approaching fitness again, they may lose Philip Rivers and LeDanian Tomlinson. You can score on this Patriots' defence, as the Giants and Jaguars have shown, but it's a big ask to score enough to beat them in Foxboro without LT and the Mouth Rivers. Billy Volek was great in a bad situation on Sunday, but can anybody really see him leading a team to a playoff win in New England? Antonio Gates should be a bit fitter next weekend, and Chris Chambers and Jackson are a legitimate threat in the air. I just can't see them scoring enough. Big game for Junior Seau in fairness, playing against the team he's going to be representing in the Hall of Fame.

New England by 11
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 14, 2008, 04:18:17 PM
Great weekend of games. Delighted for the Giants, though I worry for them next weekend. Manning is slowly coming into his own, well done to the Chargers showing they can get it done without Rivers(whats his problem) and LT. I think next week will be the end of the line for both of them. Didnt see the 2nd half of the pats-jags game, was drunk and tired. Like AZ said i reckon Farve wont craic under the pressure from Strahan and Umenyura. and playing in the snow will suit the packers though New YOrks not exactly sun baked either. The Giants have kept winning on the road and that alone is impressive. And winning against a strong offense like Dallas with back-up-back-up secondary.

I think this has been a great NFL season, by the way. lot of good games and no shortage of surprises. If Favre gets a Hollywood ending to his career it would be great. or even Strahan, who will probably call it a day after this season.

And what about the futures of Tony Dungy (likely retirment)? Payton Manning( i think his contract is up), Chad Johnson (who said he wants to be on a potential Superbowl team, envious of Moss and TO I'd say, though whether he takes a pay cut and joins a winning team or goes wherever the money is will tell you where his real priorities lie)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2008, 04:26:19 PM
I'm sure Manning will be designated a Franchise player. i can't see the Colts allowing him to leave.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 14, 2008, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2008, 02:47:57 PM
Great games this weekend. A few random thoughts.

Green Bay v New York Giants. In the Frozen Tundra, (great to see the snow piling down like that. Old-school)

cant beat football in the snow az, theres some snow at the end of this clip of the pack/seattle game



http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=TUPgtl737N0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
Early weather forecast for Green Bay at the weekend

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 12.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 14, 2008, 08:30:08 PM
Anyone see Terrell Owens after the game? ;D

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mow7gXW0uog&feature=related (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mow7gXW0uog&feature=related)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 14, 2008, 08:49:37 PM
Up his hole  :D :D
Him and his mate Clayton done some mouthing last week about the Giants! Wonder what they have to say today?
And now must go lift my money ;D

Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 13, 2008, 03:59:46 PM
Have the Giants and the Chargers taken! Hoping for two tight matches. Impressed with Green Bay yesterday not so much with New England although it says alot about them that they can still win so easily.
Giants got to test TO s ankle early, Cowboys not the same without him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
Early weather forecast for Green Bay at the weekend

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 12.

That's 12 Fahrenheit, I presume? ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2008, 10:00:48 PM
New York is hopping today over the Giants. Most of the area teams have been utter shite of late (the Knicks are losing 3/4 of their games; the Mets imploded in the last two weeks of the season; the Yankees can't make any headway in the playoffs; the less said about the Jets, the better!), so this result was a big deal in the city. Should be good craic next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 10:10:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2008, 06:54:05 PM
Early weather forecast for Green Bay at the weekend

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 12.

That's 12 Fahrenheit, I presume? ;D

correct
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on January 15, 2008, 09:25:52 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20080115-9999-1s15canepa.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/canepa/20080115-9999-1s15canepa.html)

one for the bolts fan, think that you and me oneill
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 15, 2008, 09:50:17 PM
And no better wemen:

http://www.chargers.com/charger_girls/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on January 16, 2008, 10:45:27 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 14, 2008, 04:18:17 PM

And what about the futures of Tony Dungy (likely retirment)? Payton Manning( i think his contract is up), Chad Johnson (who said he wants to be on a potential Superbowl team, envious of Moss and TO I'd say, though whether he takes a pay cut and joins a winning team or goes wherever the money is will tell you where his real priorities lie)

The Bengals can't afford to let Johnson go because they would take a big hit on the salary cap. I think Johnson is also pissed off the Bengals are drawing up a big contract for Houshmandzadeh and his nose seems to be put out of joint that he isn't getting enough love from the Bengals staff and the fans. As a Bengals fan I hope he stays but if he is traded some team is going to have to give up plenty for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
The Colts would be a good fit for #85. He wants to play on a championship calibre team, and the Colts are thin enough at Wide Receiver, especially if Harrison is starting to break down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 16, 2008, 10:51:48 AM
The saints badly need 1 as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 16, 2008, 10:53:36 AM
i'm hoping its a pats v greenbay final would love to see brady v's farve , Is Favre still on a contract next year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2008, 11:02:07 AM
There was talk of a few weeks back of Bengals trading Johnson to the Broncos for Javon Walker, the Broncos would certainly get the best of that trade if it happened. Johnson may be a mouth but he does produce every year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on January 16, 2008, 11:38:08 AM
CJ definitely won't be traded this year. He knows that himself. It is another typical soundbite to the media. Chad craves attention and with the Bengals not involved in the post-season he is not getting the platform to be in the spotlight.

As I said before there is no way the Bengals will trade Chad due the salary cap situation.

However, you can any other of the Johnsons on our team if you want  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Besides, if he really wanted a Championship calibre team, he's not going to go to Denver. but your probably right he's looking for attention.

But with the problems the Bengals have on Defense i doubt they'll be getting to the play-off too soon. pity becuase i really like their offense, CJ, TJ and Palmer are formidable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on January 16, 2008, 01:26:21 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 16, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Besides, if he really wanted a Championship calibre team, he's not going to go to Denver. but your probably right he's looking for attention.

But with the problems the Bengals have on Defense i doubt they'll be getting to the play-off too soon. pity becuase i really like their offense, CJ, TJ and Palmer are formidable

The good thing is the defense can't get any worse. They have a new defensive co-ordinator and a promising young secondary so if they can pull out a couple of good defensive linemen and keep their linebackers off the treatment table (perhaps even getting Thurman back from suspension) they should be fit to mount a better challenge in the next few years. There are no great teams in the AFC North so any of the 4 teams could conceivably win the division next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2008, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 16, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Besides, if he really wanted a Championship calibre team, he's not going to go to Denver. but your probably right he's looking for attention.

But with the problems the Bengals have on Defense i doubt they'll be getting to the play-off too soon. pity becuase i really like their offense, CJ, TJ and Palmer are formidable

In fairness a lot of players will use the following criteria for moving teams, (1) Money (2) talent of team, in that order.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 16, 2008, 05:37:08 PM
The Dolphins get their man - Tony Sparano  (http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=5636)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2008, 05:44:57 PM
UK GETS ANOTHER NFL GAME 2008!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

http://www.nfluk.com/news-display.php?id=2867

lets hope they get 2 good teams and they sort the pitch out this time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2008, 08:47:22 PM
Yeee-Haw. Deadly. I hope that between London and Germany there is at least 1 game in europe every season. Great stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2008, 09:19:40 PM
Great news, there will be another scramble for tickets no doubt. There would need to be two competitive teams though, no more Miami's please......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2008, 10:55:56 PM
4 Questions: Chargers right on schedule
By Michael Silver,

They just had completed one of the best regular seasons in NFL history, securing home-field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs while cultivating a healthy swagger. "We really feel like this is our year," Pro Bowl running back Jerome Bettis told me late in the 2004 season. "The Super Bowl goes through Pittsburgh."

What went down in Steeltown three years ago doesn't necessarily mean that the Chargers can start getting their Super Bowl rings fitted, but the heavy underdogs in Sunday's AFC championship game at least can take comfort in recent historical precedent.

Once the '04 postseason began, the 15-1 Pittsburgh Steelers suddenly looked choppy and flat. They sweated out a couple of Doug Brien missed field goals to eke out an overtime victory over the New York Jets in the divisional round, then got blown off Heinz Field by the New England Patriots in the AFC championship game, continuing an extended run of playoff futility.

If they couldn't win a Super Bowl that year, many cynics reasoned, those Steelers as we knew them would never get it done.

A year later, it was all set up for the Indianapolis Colts, who won their first 13 games to lock up the AFC's top seed. But in Indy's first playoff game, the Colts were stunned by a No. 6 seed, an upstart which barely had snuck into the playoffs. That spoiler, which would go on to win a third consecutive postseason game on the road before capturing Super Bowl XL? The previously written-off Pittsburgh Steelers.

The Colts, mired in a long run of postseason disappointments, seemed to have missed their best chance for a championship.

In '06 the pattern continued: The Chargers rolled to a league-best 14-2 record and locked up the No. 1 seed. In their first game they blew a lead and got stung by the Patriots, who in turn lost the AFC championship game – to the eventual Super Bowl champion Colts.

Does this mean the Chargers will take down the 17-0 Patriots in Foxborough on Sunday and go on to capture their first Super Bowl championship? With its three most important offensive skill players banged up and one of the most formidable foes in league history blocking its path, San Diego will need an exceptional effort to get it done.

Even if the Patriots prevail, however, we once again are witnessing a team that seems to be peaking a year later than we expected. By pulling out a stunning 28-24 divisional-round victory over the Colts at the RCA Dome last Sunday, the Chargers undid a reputation as "frontrunners" who "don't rise to the occasion."

While most of the rest of us wondered how a team that had struggled so mightily through the season's first 10 games was capable of such a macho performance, the Chargers' players were far less surprised. To them, they finally had lived up to the obvious potential they'd displayed a year earlier, when they went into every game from the middle of the season on expecting to win.

"It means nothing to be in the AFC championship game," outside linebacker Shaun Phillips said after the victory over the Colts. "It means something to win it. Yes, we thought we were going to be in this spot from Week 1 until now. We've got the best team in the league. We got off to a slow start, but everybody needs time to get things rolling."

I'm not sure why three consecutive presumed powers have taken an extra year to achieve the anticipated postseason success, but I do have a few theories:

• In this age of real-time hype and unprecedented media overkill, some players – particularly younger ones – are increasingly susceptible to buying into an aura of invincibility that doesn't exist in today's NFL. In our breathless urge to coronate champions in March, August and October (and, conversely, to write off teams after one shaky performance), perhaps we also cultivate a complacent mindset in some of the men who play the game. I know it may sound somewhat far-fetched, but it is human nature to lose one's edge when overly praised – and football is a physically and mentally taxing sport in which even the slightest subconscious letdown can translate into a missed tackle or extra yard.

• Having stared into the abyss, all three of these teams approached their next postseason opportunities with a discernible lack of fear. In other words, because they had dealt with defeats that were almost universally viewed as calamitous, the players in question didn't seem overly stressed about the potential ramifications of an encore performance. The '05 Steelers were aggressive and focused in winning three road games to get to the Super Bowl. The '06 Colts confronted their biggest nightmare – the prospect of yet another playoff elimination by the Patriots, who jumped out to a 21-3 lead in the AFC championship game – and were unblinkingly poised in completing a dramatic comeback. This year's Chargers trailed at halftime in their playoff opener and came back to defeat the Titans. Several people who spent time around the team in Indy each used the same word to describe the players' mood: loose. The Chargers certainly seemed that way as they pulled out a victory over the Colts that featured six lead changes. If they lose at New England on Sunday, it won't be because they're overwhelmed by the magnitude of the moment.

• In each case, the quarterback learned that he didn't have to carry the team for it to have success. Thrust unexpectedly into the starting lineup as a rookie in '04, the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger smartly executed a conservative scheme that put the onus on the team's veteran skill players and punishing defense – until the playoffs, when he admittedly tried to do too much. A year later, Big Ben didn't force many passes in the postseason and ended up winning the Super Bowl despite playing one of his worst statistical games. For all of Peyton Manning's prolific performances prior to '06, he also won a championship after understanding the importance of playing a subordinate role at key times. Indy's running game and defense were the driving forces in two of its first three postseason triumphs in '06. Now, the Chargers' Philip Rivers, a second-year starter, is on a hot streak that began after he seemed to stop pressing in trying to pull the team out of an early-season funk. He also has diversified his approach to playing the position: Last season Rivers struggled down the stretch as the pressure mounted and seemed overly locked in on halfback LaDainian Tomlinson and tight end Antonio Gates. Thus far in the '07 playoffs, Rivers has spread the ball around to his wideouts and seems more willing and able to get the ball to the open man.

With all of that said, this year's Patriots are the exception to every rule, and it's tough to imagine that this curious run of belated No. 1 seed success will continue. If New England wins on Sunday, I will conclude that while these theories may have some validity, another of my time-tested tenets – never bet against Tom Brady in a big game – carries far more weight.

Either way, in light of what went down last Sunday, watch out for the 2008 Dallas Cowboys.

AND THEN THERE WERE FOUR

Speaking of the Cowboys, it pains me to note that there likely will be no more handy-dandy Jessica Simpson references in this regular Wednesday feature, at least until it resumes sometime over the offseason. I'll miss her, along with Mike Holmgren's snow-drenched 'stache and my relentless Pro Bowl campaign for Fred Taylor, who blessedly will go to Hawaii after all.

I'll also dearly miss those emails from people in Dallas and Indy debating which team rightfully should be No. 2 in my rankings.

Now, for our quartet of survivors:

1. New England Patriots: Isn't it about time for their amazing offensive line to get another national TV commercial?

2. Green Bay Packers: If Brett Favre does it again on Sunday, will it magically start snowing in Glendale, Ariz., on Feb. 3?

3. San Diego Chargers: What are the odds that Philip Rivers and Rodney Harrison have a couple of heartfelt "conversations" at Gillette Stadium on Sunday?

4. New York Giants: Will Tony Romo be nicknaming their defensive line "The Paparazzi"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 18, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
An unbelievable goal from last night

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9wk_wuWmJRs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 19, 2008, 07:27:15 PM
Back favourites to reach Superbowl XLII

A re-run of the 1997 Superbowl looms as New England and Green Bay aim for Phoenix
Paolo Bandini


And then there were four. The gridiron feast that is divisional play-off weekend is behind us, and now we reach the business end of proceedings - starting with Sunday's Conference Championship games. Last week the NFC's top seed and the AFC's second seed were beaten on their own turf, but the latest odds suggest few people are expecting a repeat of such upsets this time around. Here are my predictions:

San Diego Chargers @ New England Patriots

In the week of Kevin Keegan's return to Newcastle on this side of the Atlantic, what could be more fitting than the Chargers travelling to New England for the AFC Championship game Stateside? After the Patriots took them down in the divisional play-offs last year, the Chargers would love it, just love it, if they could derail the Patriots' perfect season. The Patriots-Colts rivalry may be more widely feted, but make no mistake - these two teams have a serious distaste for one another.

The Chargers were cut deep by last season's defeat. Entering the play-offs with a league-best 14-2 record, San Diego blew a seven-point, fourth-quarter lead against New England to lose 24-21, despite having intercepted Tom Brady three times. Several Chargers players accused the Patriots of taunting them after the game, while running back Ladanian Tomlinson - normally one of the league's most softly-spoken and level-headed stars - had to be restrained as he railed at New England's players on the pitch. In post-game interviews he accused the Patriots of "a lack of class", saying they took their lead from head coach Bill Belichick.

But for all the previous between these two teams, the Chargers' hopes of springing a surprise will likely come down to far more mundane issues - most crucially injuries.

A full-strength Chargers team could at least give the Patriots a game. They may have been blown out by the Pats 38-14 in week two, but then they were still adjusting to new head coach Norv Turner, and have come on immeasurably to win 13 of their last 15 games (including play-offs) after a 1-3 start. In Tomlinson they have a running back who has proven he can run over better Belichick defences than this one; in Philip Rivers a quarterback who made the Pro Bowl last year; on defence their 48 takeaways led the league. They would need to be at their very best, and the Patriots would have to be below theirs, but an upset would not be inconceivable.

But the Chargers are not at full-strength. Rivers has sprained knee ligaments and is yet to train this week; tight end Antonio Gates - the club's leading receiver - played last week with a dislocated toe, but the injury is reported to have worsened; Tomlinson, although expected to play, will be limited by a hyperextended knee. Michael Turner and Darren Sproles provide talented depth at running back, but there are no such brilliant reserves behind Gates and Philips. Despite his impressive cameo last week, backup quarterback Billy Volek is a mediocre journeyman, and simply not going to beat a team that may be the greatest of the Super Bowl era.

Many more themes and factors could come into play - the success of San Diego's aggressive 3-4 in keeping Tom Brady under pressure; the performance of Randy Moss after a long-term acquaintance accused him of battery; the possibility of snow on the day of the game - but none will matter unless at least Rivers and Tomlinson can play - and play at close to their best. If not, the Chargers, just like Kevin, will surely find that sometimes wanting something just isn't enough.

Prediction: Chargers 24-35 Patriots

New York Giants @ Green Bay Packers

It's tempting to view this year's NFC Championship game as the tale of two quarterbacks. On the one hand Eli Manning - Peyton's much maligned kid brother; an inconsistent fourth year signal caller who is yet to convince many Giants fans he can live up to the family name. On the other hand Brett Favre - one of the NFL's greatest ever at the position; holder of innumerable passing records and one-time Super Bowl winner, and currently enjoying his best season, statistically speaking, since that championship year.

Both have defied expectations to reach this point - Manning by throwing four touchdowns during the Giants' final regular season game against the Patriots, and then turning in superlative back-to-back play-off performances; Favre by rebounding from two of the worst seasons of his career. On Sunday, however, something has to give.

The omens don't bode well for Eli. The weather forecast for the game currently has the temperature likely to be between -18 and -14°C at Lambeau Field, and for as much as Favre loves the cold, Eli seems to hate it. In the snow last week Favre threw for three touchdowns and recorded the best quarterback rating (137.6) he has ever achieved in a play-off game. Manning, on the other hand, has played six regular-season games in temperatures below 5°C, and put up an average rating of 58.6, completing less than half of his passes and mustering just four touchdowns.

Worse yet, the Giants are thin at cornerback following a spate of injuries. Aaron Ross returned to practice on Wednesday following the shoulder injury that hampered him in last week's win over the Dallas Cowboys, but Sam Madison and Kevin Dockery are yet to do so. If Favre manages to rein in the gung-ho instincts that sometimes persuade him to make ill-advised heaves down the field, he is capable of picking the Giants' depleted secondary apart, just as he did during the Packers' 35-13 rout of the Giants in week two.

Of course, the matchup isn't all about the two quarterbacks. The Giants' offence has been founded on its running game - their 134.2 yards per game were the fourth-highest in the league - and Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw will hope to play a central role against a Green Bay rush defence that is no better than average. Then again, the Giants' D will have their own hands full dealing with Ryan Grant, who racked up 201 yards in the snow last week against Seattle and might just have a chip on his shoulder after the Giants deemed him surplus to requirements when the Packers came knocking in preseason.

Giants fans might also point out that they're 9-1 on the road this season, their only loss having come against the Cowboys in week one, and even then only after quite a tussle.

Somehow, though, it's hard to shake the feeling that this one will be a bridge too far for Eli. Deprived of tight end Jeremy Shockey - his favourite target - since mid-December after the tight end broke his leg, Manning has begun to come out of his shell, to start spreading the ball about and to show that he might just have the talent to succeed in this league after all. But on an icy Sunday in Wisconsin he's going to miss the safety blanket Shockey provides. Favre, on the other hand, can generate the heat Green Bay need all on his own.

Prediction: Giants 10-27 Packers

From Guardian
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: HowdyDoody on January 19, 2008, 09:09:15 PM
Freezin here n boston
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 20, 2008, 09:02:44 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/croker-nfl-game-could-be-on-cards-1269662.html

Pittsburgh Steelers may be returning to Croker!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 07:47:26 PM
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!

We're coming your way,
We're gonna dazzle you with our super play.
The time has come,
You know we're shooting for number one.
With thunderbolts and lightning
We'll light up the sky,
We'll give it all we've got, and more
With the Super Charger try!

San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!

We've got a plan,
We're gonna do it for our super fans.
All we seek,
Is the goal line to victory.
We'll ignite you, excite you
With high voltage play.
We won't let up a minute,
We're going all the way - all the way!

San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!

We're coming your way
With the Super Chargers' play.
We're coming at you.
Now we're coming through!

San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
San Diego Super Chargers,
San Diego Chargers!
Charge!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on January 20, 2008, 08:02:47 PM
enjoy the matches lads!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 08:28:39 PM
No score, half way through 1st Q. No major plays yet. Gates and LT have set out some time already. Rivers seems to be playing freely. Brady disappointing so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2008, 08:48:14 PM
Kansas, Tampa, Seattle and New Orleans in contention to be home team in 2008 regular season game in UK.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 08:54:58 PM
End of 1Q  - SD 3 NE 0

Patriots touchdown start of 2nd 7-3.

LT still on line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 09:03:48 PM
7-6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2008, 09:18:53 PM
4-6 now

Chargers need a TD before the end of the half as the Pats get the ball first in the 3rd quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
I would get that tube Rivers out of there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 09:30:08 PM
Rivers having a stinker alright but the game is still their for the taking! Come on Chargers!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 09:52:17 PM
I'd still stick with Rivers for the 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:05:43 PM
14-12.

SD can't seem to score TDs in the Red.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:18:48 PM
Interception! ;D This could be a big drive now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:19:24 PM
Brady's been intercepted 2 or 3 times now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:20:37 PM
cant believe what i'm watching, sd can actually win this game. brady just intercepted for the 3 time, hope it doesnt fall apart now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:20:59 PM
And hes throwing under no real pressure but the coverage is good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:23:22 PM
 Rivers is frustrating to watch >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?

1 degree. Windchill -25. No snow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?

1 degree. Windchill -25. No snow.

that'll hurt!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 10:26:49 PM
At least its not snowing :P poor bastards!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Quote from: hardstation on January 20, 2008, 10:26:35 PM
Is that where stew lives?

Stew'd need one of my hats.

NE shut out for 2 of the 3 quarters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2008, 10:28:59 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:26:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:24:35 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:22:39 PM
anyone know the weather in green bay today?

1 degree. Windchill -25. No snow.

that'll hurt!

With the windchill, that is about -32 celsius!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
Can't see them keeping Brady out this time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: whyarerefssobad on January 20, 2008, 10:34:02 PM
game over
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 20, 2008, 10:34:46 PM
JOY IN THE HOOD td ne! 9 points its over.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:35:13 PM
Feck Sake.

That's that. 4th Q has been SD's quarter all season.  Can't see them getting TD and FD needed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 10:57:15 PM
Fair play Pats. Hope they do it,

However, if LT had been fit, the opportunities were there. GB will fancy it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Missed LT and Gates, Jackson and Chambers are good, not great receivers. Pats are beatable, but not this year  dont think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
Injurys caught up with the Chargers and I think the same will happen with the Giants! Hope not but Go Big Blue!!! ;D
Couldnt face going to the bar to watch it dont think i could enjoy it, would rather be able to listen to the commentry plus got a good load on already god bless the Guinness Draught in a can ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 11:08:11 PM
god bless the Guinness Draught in a can ;)

Had a couple/5 watching her too. Must be a Charger thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 20, 2008, 11:25:40 PM
Fair play to the Yanks. Jaysus have you seen the commentary team? Outside, in hats and coats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 20, 2008, 11:35:26 PM
Did you ever see the bate of it ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 02:06:08 AM

  If the Giants don't get it done tonight it certainly won't have been
  lack of effort on Plaxico Burress' part  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 02:09:59 AM
One more score for baby pucks nappies!

Didnt see the pats game, but this isnt bad so far. Got a tenner on Driver at 7-1 for the first td. I also put a 10er on LT, and Plaxico, so its not that profitable.. :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 02:15:05 AM
Comedy of errors that play!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 02:52:05 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 02:09:59 AM
One more score for baby pucks nappies!

Didnt see the pats game, but this isnt bad so far. Got a tenner on Driver at 7-1 for the first td. I also put a 10er on LT, and Plaxico, so its not that profitable.. :(



Did the bookie look at ye like you were growing horns with the mention of the tenner :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 03:28:31 AM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 02:52:05 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 21, 2008, 02:09:59 AM
One more score for baby pucks nappies!

Didnt see the pats game, but this isnt bad so far. Got a tenner on Driver at 7-1 for the first td. I also put a 10er on LT, and Plaxico, so its not that profitable.. :(



Did the bookie look at ye like you were growing horns with the mention of the tenner :D


Not as much as he did when I put one on a player whos participation was a game time decision. I must have had a few at the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 21, 2008, 03:29:57 AM
   Fair play to the Giants going into Greenbay to win that, i felt bad for the kicker to miss
  that FG attempt but by Jaysus did he redeem himself, i had a few $$ on them so it's all good ;D
                                                                                             
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 21, 2008, 03:33:23 AM
New York's going to some craic for the next two weeks!

Thoroughly deserved in my opinion. The Giants defense was unbelievable. Nobody expected this this season. Fair play to Eli Manning as well - he's shut up a lot of people this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 21, 2008, 03:53:59 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 21, 2008, 03:33:23 AM
New York's going to some craic for the next two weeks! Thoroughly deserved in my opinion. The Giants defense was unbelievable. Nobody expected this this season. Fair play to Eli Manning as well - he's shut up a lot of people this season.

Super Bowl Sunday should be some craic this year ;D What a win J70 is right about the defense what a game they played hearts still racing!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2008, 09:10:57 AM
I was happy enough watching the games last night. Had a double on the Chargers +14.5 and the Giants + 6.5, another nibble on the Under at 44.5 in the Pats - Chargers game, and another winning bet on the Giants to win the game at 13/8 in running when it went 3-0 to them.  (Tried to get on at 2/1 and it kept getting suspended).

Only losing bet was a tenner on Bradshaw to score the first TD in the Giant's game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 21, 2008, 09:30:25 AM
Quote from: hardstation on January 21, 2008, 02:34:59 AM
Holy Ghost! :o
Some boyo texted in saying that Croke Park would be a great place for a game. (There was a game there before, my da was doing security at it)

Anyway, some other boyo texted in saying, "Why are you talking about games in the UK?"
The English lad went mad, saying, "Nobody mentioned the UK, this person needs to listen more."

Jeepers!
I'm watching Sky Sports 2.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/croker-nfl-game-could-be-on-cards-1269662.html


That was stupid, its like some people have an identity problem, I dont think Nick or Kevin for that matter implied that UK and Ireland are the same. BUt as we know with some people it only takes even the slightest chance it was implied to set them off. Anyway nothing to do with NFL

C'mon the Giants, there was a while where i really doubted Eli Mannings ability. but he's proved me wrong and Im quite happy with that. I wonder what Tom Coughlin was saying to Tynes after he missed that FG. Tynes just ignored him I think. That lad McQuaters, I could have killed him, you'd think after fumbling the 1st time he'd have learned his lesson about protecting the ball, but toi do it again, my god. I was screaming at the telly when he caught it, he wasnts even holdingthe ball against hi body. Mind you he wasnt the only one on the Ginats with suspect hands, but ill blame the cold for that.

Giants have as good a chance as anyone of beating the Pats. Pity Favre didnt get a chane to go to the Superbowl again but the Packers didnt play good enough, and didnt deserve it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2008, 06:53:07 PM
A little story about the hero last night

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/us_sport/football/article3177383.ece

Quote(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00265/tynes-385_265686a.jpg)



As he slips on his Celtic shirt inside an empty Giants stadium and stares into the distance, Lawrence Tynes is imagining how his life might have played out differently. He was 10 years old when his father Larry, then a United States Navy Seal based at RAF Machrihanish on the Mull of Kintyre, moved his family to Florida, his home state, but Scotland was all young Lawrence had known. The 29-year-old New York Giants kicker dreamt not about the Super Bowl appearance that may be only two games away but of wearing the famous hoops of Celtic, his team, his passion for whom has never ebbed.

Paradise remained a place in the East End of Glasgow as the years passed in the Sunshine State, and Tynes yearned to be back amid the tumult of the Old Firm. "I went to a small Catholic primary school, St Kieran's in Campbeltown, and I was a mad Celtic fan," he reveals, not a hint of his Scottish roots perceptible in his accent. "Me and my brothers, Mark and Jason, walked to school every day and always had a football. We lived for it and I couldn't wait to pull on my Celtic jersey before we played. I was nine or 10 years old when I saw my only game at Celtic Park against Hearts. We won and it was brilliant. My brother Jason, an army reservist who works for the government in Charlotte [North Carolina], has seen them play about 10 times over the years but I've not been to Parkhead since that day. It's strange how your life can change."

For years the Tynes brothers resisted change, becoming known as the "Lucky Charm Boys" in their new neighbourhood of Milton, near Pensacola. "Because of our accents, the other kids thought we were Irish," he recalls. At Milton High School, Tynes set a record that still stands, scoring seven goals in one game and soccer, as it was called, continued to provide the brothers with a spiritual compass, a sense of home.

Then Mike McMillon, a PE teacher, spotted potential in Lawrence and invited him to play a different game, suggesting he had talent as a kicker and in the defensive free safety position. "But I was better at kicking, so I stuck with that," Tynes says.

At Troy State University he completed a degree in criminal justice and planned to become a lawyer before joining the FBI. But Troy State won the Southland Conference Championships in three out of four years and Tynes was signed by Kansas City Chiefs in 2001 before being released at the end of training camp.

After playing for Scottish Claymores for a year he joined Ottawa Renegades in the Canadian Football League in 2003 before Kansas City resigned him in 2004. He remained at Arrowhead stadium until the end of 2006 and joined the Giants at the start of this season on a one-year deal worth $428,850. In the National Football League (NFL) kickers are not among the most glamorous or highly paid positions.

"Kickers have long been bullied," Matthew Waxman explains in Sports Illustrated. "While the beef slug it out in the trenches, games are often won or lost on the swung leg of a guy in a pristine uniform who looks like Eric from [American television show] Entourage in ballet shoes. And kicking is viewed as having a low degree of difficulty, largely because Tom Dempsey, who has the record for the longest field goal, kicked a 63-yarder with half a foot [he was born without toes on his right, kicking foot]."

But this is the part of the season when kickers are worth every cent, often determining the result with a last-minute field goal attempt. The fifth-seeded Giants came through the regular season with a 10-6 win-loss record and finished strongly, securing their playoff position with a 38-21 win at Buffalo on December 23 before producing an inspired performance against the all-conquer-ing New England Patriots, losing 38-35 but gaining widespread respect for their effort to prevent the Patriots posting a perfect 16-0 regular season. In their 24-14 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last weekend, quarterback Eli Manning completed 20 of 27 passes for 185 yards and two touchdowns and an efficient defensive display secured for the Giants their first postseason victory since 2000.

Dallas Cowboys will be formidable opposition at Texas stadium, however, despite having failed to exceed their scoring average since November 29 while falling short of 250 total yards in two of their past three games. Quarterback Tony Romo has thrown just one touchdown pass and five interceptions in his previous three games. Terrell Owens will play but it remains to be seen if his sprained left ankle will carry the weight of expectation and allow the wide receiver to make a telling impact.

"If the game comes down to a field goal in the dying seconds, I'll be ready," declares Tynes, who has converted 24 of 28 kicks this season, a success rate that represents the best return of his career. "Kicking is a fickle business and you're remembered only for the big ones you score or the ones you miss. The expectation is that you will kick between the posts every time. I take deep breaths and tell myself, 'Go out and be a hero'. The best part of the game is to see grown men jumping up and down because of something that came off your foot. When you miss there's nothing worse. It's like when your parents say they're disappointed in you."

Tynes would love to play an important role for the Giants in the playoffs. His wife, Amanda, gave birth to twin boys Calab and Jaden six months ago, having gone into labour two months premature.

Mother and sons are doing well now, a source of incredible joy, but the pain of his brother Mark's imprisonment in 2003 for dealing in marijuana is never far away. "I talk to my brother three times a week and I always know where he's at and how he's feeling," says Tynes. "It's difficult for my parents and the rest of my family, but we're trying to get through it."

Tynes and the Giants will be trying to find a way through the Cowboys today. He has accepted an invitation to be New York City's Tartan Day Parade Grand Marshall in April and nothing would fill him with greater pride than to march down Sixth Avenue a Super Bowl winner – with the Celtic hoops no doubt on display.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2008, 02:39:05 PM
Brady hurt?

(http://i29.tinypic.com/10gdb2t.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 03:07:13 PM
Good article on tynes Gh, Just wondering did any of ye boyos who went to wembley think that the giants had any chance of making the superbowl ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 22, 2008, 03:20:47 PM
no, to be honest I didnt think they'd get past Dallas or the Packers or for that matter by week 8 they werent looking like play-off contenders
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2008, 03:26:55 PM
I actually thought they would be dangerous for any team and thought they would beat the Pats in the final regular season game, aminly because of their defense and the pressure they can put on the QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 22, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
that was the most exciting NFL game I have witnessed this year.  The dram and action right down to the last minute could not have been more nerve wrecking or better.

Well done to the Giants and I actually do think they are in with a chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2008, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 22, 2008, 04:04:55 PM
that was the most exciting NFL game I have witnessed this year.  The dram and action right down to the last minute could not have been more nerve wrecking or better.

Well done to the Giants and I actually do think they are in with a chance

Ye it was some game Iceman the tension at the end was unreal the pressure on the Kicker was something else, Burress was brilliant for the giants himself and Harris ( i think)  were mouthing at each other for the whole match at one time during the match the sideline  commentator said Burress went to the green bay bench and said " take him off me he can't mark me ".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 22, 2008, 06:04:27 PM
Harris came off looking a bit foolish in the end after all the mouthing. The Packers should have given him some help anyway, as Burress was hammering him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 22, 2008, 06:42:27 PM
the giants have won 10 in a row on the road, thats some achievement and bty the game in green bay was apparently the 3rd coldest in nfl history! (windchill -25). dont rule them out!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 22, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
the Brady picture has the press going mad here- some speculation that its a grab the headlines ploy to make the Giants complacent. He did have an off day Sunday, but whether it was down to injury is anyones guess
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2008, 06:49:38 PM
there's another picture taken last night - that shows no boot on his foot
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Naomh Pol CLG on January 22, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 18, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
An unbelievable goal from last night

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9wk_wuWmJRs

Rick Nash has scored some sick goals, but this must be the sickest...He dangled the puck for an age..Awesome 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 23, 2008, 01:35:58 AM
The Packers and packer nation are absolutely gutted. I watched the game in disbelief as McCarthy didnt react to what was happening on the field and i was amazed that he didnt go after manning from the get go and also that he didnt try and help his cornerback who was getting destroyed over there.

Noo York will get hammered in the superbowl. This will be the crowning glory on a perfect season for the pats, I think they will absolutely gut the giants and the they are two td favourites at the minute, I think they will win by 21 or more. The giants are very average and the scene is set for brady and Moss to show their brilliance come Sunday week.

I have long ben a pats fan however given the they cheated this year it would be poetic justice if new york overcame their woeful injury situation to beat tham, that said c'mon the pats.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2008, 08:49:10 AM
Interesting article on ESPN..........


The Roger Clemens Award for "Best story that was ignored by the national media"
The great Brett Favre completely collapsed in the Giants-Packers game, throwing multiple balls up for grabs, single-handedly killing his team, and then everyone gave him the kid gloves treatment afterward. Favre had an incredible season and exceeded everyone's expectations. It was a wonderful ride, but come on. Didn't Troy Aikman and Joe Buck have to discuss Favre's Level 5 stinkbomb during the telecast beyond just alluding to it a couple of times? What about Peter King, who didn't even mention Favre's grisly performance in his normally comprehensive MMQB column? With all the breaks Green Bay got in that game, if Favre had given his team even a C-plus, the Pack would have won. You know he was bad when the Giants planned on kicking off in OT even if they won the coin flip.

(Note: The media spent four months spoon-feeding us this urban legend that Favre wasn't a gunslinger anymore, he was managing games now, he wasn't going to kill his team by taking dumb chances -- I wrote about how dumb this story line was as far back as Week 4 -- when the reality was Favre was playing the same way he always did, only he was playing exceptionally well and had better teammates. Unfortunately, for Packers fans, that minus-4 weather ended up freezing his Fountain of Youth and he killed their Super Bowl hopes. In my opinion, Favre never changed the way he played this season. Not even one iota. He just played well until Week 19. Which reminds me ...)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 23, 2008, 07:17:41 PM
Quote from: stew on January 23, 2008, 01:35:58 AM

I have long ben a pats fan however given the they cheated this year it would be poetic justice if new york overcame their woeful injury situation to beat tham, that said c'mon the pats.  ;D

got to get over that stew, if they did cheat they paid the price as set by the nfl so it should be forgotton about. having said that the giants are on a roll with nothing to lose up against the pats with EVERYTHING to lose..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 07:35:12 PM
there is no "if" about it - they were caught cheating
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 23, 2008, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 07:35:12 PM
there is no "if" about it - they were caught cheating

and they paid the price. why do people still think they can hold it against them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 24, 2008, 08:32:15 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 23, 2008, 08:59:21 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2008, 07:35:12 PM
there is no "if" about it - they were caught cheating

and they paid the price. why do people still think they can hold it against them?

cos they didnt pay enough of a price, perhaps losing a superbowl would do. or eternal damnation to the lower echelon of teams like what happened to the Raiders after their years of cheating
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 24, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 22, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
the Brady picture has the press going mad here- some speculation that its a grab the headlines ploy to make the Giants complacent. He did have an off day Sunday, but whether it was down to injury is anyones guess

Complacent????......Belichick has two weeks to suss out out the Giants and no better man to do it. It would be a serious dim-witted coach or team that went into a game against the Pats complacent! Brady had a bad day Sunday alright (bad by his standards.....) but even on one leg and with a broken arm, Id take him ahead of Eli. Anyone think Eli will implode Super Bowl Sunday?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 12:40:24 PM
I wouldn't think that Manning will implode to be honest. It could happen alright, it's happened to better QBs than him, but if the Giants give him protection, I don't think he'll implode. I think it's equally unlikely that he will beat you either, I can't see him throwing for 340 yards and 4 TDs if the running game collapses. The only way I can see the Giants coming close to winning this game is to rack together TD SCORING drives taking 8-12 minutes a time.  They need to run the ball, and keep running it. Let Eli pick up the 3 yard 3rd down conversions with swing passes to Burress, Boss or Toomer, and keep everything conservative.

If they can do that, their own defense will get a chance to rest, even if the Patriots score when they come out, and the Patriots may start trying to go for the big one too early, which is dangerous too.

I'm waiting to see the spread, but if it's anything like the Chargers (+14.5) I'll be all over the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on January 24, 2008, 12:48:51 PM
Eli's lucky to have Brandon Jacobs.....a solid runner who will take alot of the pressure off him. He's kept it simple in the play-offs and its served him well but I reckon the Patriots will get at him like no team has in the post-season. Will be interesting to see if he handles the pressure of the occasion as well as that of Pats. You're right....the only way to stop Brady, Welker, Moss & Moroney is to keep them off the pitch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 12:54:09 PM
I suppose it depends on whether the running game works. If Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ward can do a bit of damage on the ground, then chances are the Pats will have to pull in their horns whenever the Giants use playaction. There'll be less all out blitzes. If the Giants can't run the ball, Eli will get savaged, but I still wouldn't call that an implosion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on January 24, 2008, 04:59:08 PM
There's a good preview of the game, and of the two teams' seasons, here:

http://www.sportsinteraction.com/sportsbook/index.cfm?section=sb08preview

I stuck a few notes on the Giants on Monday - very impressed with how they won at Lambeau. But you know, that offensive line of New England is so strong, and Belichick has a full fortnight to do his scheming - it looks like I might as well have sent me twenty sheets to the Missions. :( Maybe I'll change my mind again before Sunday week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2008, 05:20:05 PM
What's the spread? I can see the Giants making it awkward, but I can't see them beating the Pats, at least not at the moment. I know what they'll have to do to win, but I doubt if they can pull it off 100%
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 24, 2008, 05:51:54 PM
Right now the spread is -12 and the over/under is 54.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 24, 2008, 07:04:19 PM
Quote from: MaroonAndWhite on January 24, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 22, 2008, 06:44:20 PM
the Brady picture has the press going mad here- some speculation that its a grab the headlines ploy to make the Giants complacent. He did have an off day Sunday, but whether it was down to injury is anyones guess

Complacent????......Belichick has two weeks to suss out out the Giants and no better man to do it. It would be a serious dim-witted coach or team that went into a game against the Pats complacent! Brady had a bad day Sunday alright (bad by his standards.....) but even on one leg and with a broken arm, Id take him ahead of Eli. Anyone think Eli will implode Super Bowl Sunday?

If as I suspect the Pats try and rattle him by going after him all day long he will be complete and utter shite, he hears footsteps, has wing mirrors and is a very average quarterback, he has had a good post season thus far but he will be shite on the biggest stage of them all. I expect the pats to blitz all night long, if you give him no time he will be worse than useless,

Prediction.

Pats 35 giants 10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 24, 2008, 07:41:31 PM
Stew,
I respectfully disagree, Eli is playing some fantastic stuff at the minute and their O-Line is fit and playing very well. Look at the game last Sunday for example Eli had a hell of a game, and there were 4-5 dropped passes plus another 3-4 that weren't viewed as dropped but really should have been caught. Manning doesnt panic- he's too laid back, and I feel since Shockey has left the huddle the team is looking to Eli as the leader and they have now responded to his civil, calm methodical approach, rather than Shockey's blood and thunder approach.
If the Pats start going after Manning from the get go, Jacobs will start plugging those holes very quickly. and dont forget Bradshaw hasn't been seen by the Pats D yet.

Now does all this add up to a Giants win- I don't think so, but the spread is coming down, 9 is offered most places today and thats down from 14 on Sunday. I'm actually looking forward to the Superbowl for the game rather than the ads for the first time in years. New York is buzzing there is a sense of possibility, the week 17 game was a belter, NE had a lot on the line and won, the Giants playing for nothing scared them. You would expect that Belichick learned more than Coughlan, however the most interesting guy may actually be Steve Spagnuolo the Giants Defence coach. He has really brought that team along well over the last 6-7 weeks and could have learned his lesson. Based on last weeks games, Manning played a better more measured game than Brady, and he has stepped up against all the big names in the last 4 weeks, I think that the Giants will fall down based on receivers. Plaxico even if he has a game like last week is not enough to match up against Moss, Stallworth and Welker. The weak spot in the Giants D is the middle of the D 8-9 yards behind the line, Welker's specialty area.
My brain says Patriots by 6, hoping for a Giants 3 pointer in OT...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bridgegael on January 24, 2008, 08:15:12 PM
i think Eli will finally step out from his big bros shadow at the superbowl,  leading them to a  six point victory!  hopefully!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
What do the Chargers fans on here think of Eli, i take it you are all on for the Pats after Eli fucked youse over at the 2004 draft. I saw footage of it earlier today on NFL Total Access, when he was called out with the Chargers jersey he stood shaking his head like a spoilt wee pussy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 24, 2008, 10:01:46 PM
I've heard that it was his auld fella that was the big influence in Manning being swapped with Rivers. Apparently he didn't want his son ending up at a dead-end team like he himself did back when he played in New Orleans. The Chargers didn't turn out too bad in the end though!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2008, 05:08:28 PM
What the latest on Brady are they just hiding him from the media or has he an injury problem?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 27, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
it's all mind games

anyhow - it looks like O'Neill will be happy - it's San Diego and New Orleans at Wembley in Ocotber

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20080126-1632-london.html

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 24, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
What do the Chargers fans on here think of Eli, i take it you are all on for the Pats after Eli fucked youse over at the 2004 draft. I saw footage of it earlier today on NFL Total Access, when he was called out with the Chargers jersey he stood shaking his head like a spoilt wee pussy.

Well, surely he should be allowed have some say in what team he ends up with. I wouldnt have said he was acting spoilt, what was he meant to do anyway. Join the Chargers even if he didnt want to.

Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2008, 05:08:28 PM
What the latest on Brady are they just hiding him from the media or has he an injury problem?

I'd say he'll be be playing either way, he'd have to be fatally wounded before he would consider not playing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2008, 09:52:39 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 24, 2008, 09:24:36 PM
What do the Chargers fans on here think of Eli, i take it you are all on for the Pats after Eli fucked youse over at the 2004 draft. I saw footage of it earlier today on NFL Total Access, when he was called out with the Chargers jersey he stood shaking his head like a spoilt wee pussy.

Well, surely he should be allowed have some say in what team he ends up with. I wouldnt have said he was acting spoilt, what was he meant to do anyway. Join the Chargers even if he didnt want to.

Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2008, 05:08:28 PM
What the latest on Brady are they just hiding him from the media or has he an injury problem?

I'd say he'll be be playing either way, he'd have to be fatally wounded before he would consider not playing.

Aye but you dont really have a choice in the draft, there have been better players than him have went to teams they probably didnt want to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 09:56:36 AM
That's the whole point of the draft system. To try and ensure competitiveness and as level a playing field as possible. The Yanks have a term for it, parity. That's why the worst teams get to draft first, which allows them to address any specific issues they may have.

A lot of the time, the teams with picks 1, 2 and 3 may try and trade their position in the draft for 2 or more draft picks from a later team, especially if the higher ranked college players are not in positions they really need, or if the player himself is making lukewarm noises about the possibility of being drafted by them.

The draft is a good system though, and it was bad form of Eli Manning that time. He should have asked the chargers to pass on him, or trade their pick. If he did that, and they still didn't do it, well then he should have gone there and set about improving them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 10:38:56 AM
yeah, I know how the draft works. But if i was going into the draft for instance, and i was picked by the Raiders, I would probably try and get the hell out of it asap, wouldnt want to have anything to do with them while Al Davis is still there. It would be a waste of a good part of your career.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 10:40:58 AM
I know you know it juice, sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was trying to explain it. I was trying to say in response to this

QuoteWell, surely he should be allowed have some say in what team he ends up with. I wouldnt have said he was acting spoilt, what was he meant to do anyway. Join the Chargers even if he didnt want to.

that the whole point of the draft is that the betterment of the league and it's teams is more important than the players wishes about where he plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 10:53:08 AM
Yes thats all well and good, but is a player supposed to bite his lip and just dedicate a few years of his career in what he may see as either a lost cause or somewhere he just doesnt want to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 28, 2008, 10:54:17 AM
Is it true that Brady was only a 5th round draft  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 10:57:39 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 28, 2008, 10:53:08 AM
Yes thats all well and good, but is a player supposed to bite his lip and just dedicate a few years of his career in what he may see as either a lost cause or somewhere he just doesnt want to go.

In short, yes. Most people would say that it's his job to make the team better, or at least shine in a bad team so that a good team will take him. Either way, they'll be looked after financially. The thing to remember is that the player works for the NFL, not for the individual team, really. You might have preferences as to where you go, but all in all, the NFL usually sides with the teams here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 11:02:53 AM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on January 28, 2008, 10:54:17 AM
Is it true that Brady was only a 5th round draft  :o

No Dinny, that's rubbish.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick out of Michigan in 2000 (199th pick overall).

Quarterbacks drafted higher included:

Chad Pennington - New York Jets - 1st Round
Giovanni Carmazzi - SF 49ers - 3rd Round
Chris Redman - Baltimore Ravens - 3rd Round


Marc Bulger also went in Round 6 that year. Obviously the QBs weren't seen as top notch in 2000.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
Due to the nature of the NFL a quick turnaround in a teams fortunes can happen, in the NFC South the teams have finished last each year have won it the next year for 4 years in a row i think. Look at the Green Bay Packers, before Favre went there in the early 90's they were prennial whipping boys, the Colts were also poor when Manning went as the 1st pick, the Colts and Chargers have benefitted from outstanding front office/drafting.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
Due to the nature of the NFL a quick turnaround in a teams fortunes can happen, in the NFC South the teams have finished last each year have won it the next year for 4 years in a row i think. Look at the Green Bay Packers, before Favre went there in the early 90's they were prennial whipping boys, the Colts were also poor when Manning went as the 1st pick, the Colts and Chargers have benefitted from outstanding front office/drafting.......

Exactly Minder, and that's the NFL ethos, because they hate to see teams continually taking a beating every season, like the Cardinals. :D The Cardinals' problem is they always finish about 5th worst team in the league, so they never get the real superstar draftees.

Anyway, the NFL loves the draft because as you say, teams like Indianapolis, Saint Louis, New Orleans, Cincinnatti etc can be turned around with one good pick. That's why they hate to see players trying to buck the system.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on January 28, 2008, 11:16:59 AM
I watched the film Invincible (based on the story of Vince Papale) on a long haul flight last week and it got me all into american football again.

The Giants were lucky enough to get past the Packers. Preiction - Patriots by 15.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2008, 11:34:55 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2008, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 28, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
Due to the nature of the NFL a quick turnaround in a teams fortunes can happen, in the NFC South the teams have finished last each year have won it the next year for 4 years in a row i think. Look at the Green Bay Packers, before Favre went there in the early 90's they were prennial whipping boys, the Colts were also poor when Manning went as the 1st pick, the Colts and Chargers have benefitted from outstanding front office/drafting.......

Exactly Minder, and that's the NFL ethos, because they hate to see teams continually taking a beating every season, like the Cardinals. :D The Cardinals' problem is they always finish about 5th worst team in the league, so they never get the real superstar draftees.

Anyway, the NFL loves the draft because as you say, teams like Indianapolis, Saint Louis, New Orleans, Cincinnatti etc can be turned around with one good pick. That's why they hate to see players trying to buck the system.

Nobody drafted as badly as the Browns when they came back into the league, Couch and Courtney Brown, both No1 picks, both now out of the league. I remember reading a scouting magazine that rated every player in the league, some NFL scouts said Couch would turn out to be better than Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2008, 11:19:20 AM
Just to let anyone know that watches "Americas Game" on Sky Sports on Saturday morning they are on all this week in run up to Super Bowl,check your tv guide, some are repeats but i have Sky + at the ready anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2008, 11:39:02 AM
ye watched "America's game " yesterday all about the 81 ( i think) San Francisco 49ers great stuff altogether, what hit me was how much they hated the Cowboys. It said at the end that they won 5 superbowls in 14 Years.Just wondering how many did Montana win with them ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 29, 2008, 11:53:17 AM
I think Montana won 4 superbowls with the niners. He was MVP 3 times.

Steve Young was the QB for the other win I think after Montana left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 29, 2008, 12:44:39 PM
Ill always prefer the 70's Steelers over the 49ers. They had some Characters on that team, Mean Joe, Jack Lambert, Lynn Swann, Terry Bradshaw.

(http://www.trunkbunker.com/jacklambert.jpg)
Jack Lambert - Didnt get many endorsements from Nivea for Men
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 29, 2008, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2008, 11:39:02 AM
ye watched "America's game " yesterday all about the 81 ( i think) San Francisco 49ers great stuff altogether, what hit me was how much they hated the Cowboys. It said at the end that they won 5 superbowls in 14 Years.Just wondering how many did Montana win with them ?



joe cool won 4 superbowls, i lived in sf for a few years and they sure hated those cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2008, 10:22:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3220894

The Mets get Johan Santana
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2008, 08:52:47 AM
Mention of Johan Santana is the perfect cue for Fantasy Baseball. Is anyone interested in this again this year? Season will start end of March,...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2008, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2008, 08:52:47 AM
Mention of Johan Santana is the perfect cue for Fantasy Baseball. Is anyone interested in this again this year? Season will start end of March,...

is there any point Az especially if bombidal is taking part, sure he is bound to win it ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2008, 09:58:40 AM
I notice he still hasn't changed his signature. He's hanging on grimly :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2008, 10:06:25 AM
ye the loss loss seems to have hit him hard he seems to be delusional :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 30, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
I'm up for it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 30, 2008, 02:05:13 PM
Im still in mourning over last season's Guiliani style collapse, blazing into an early lead getting cocky and then blowing it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 31, 2008, 02:39:47 PM
So what are the plans for Superbowl, I got Monday morning off work, gonna get a bunch of the lads arond, and stay up, with a few bottles of booze, finger fod and what not. I wanna go over to the States and see what its like first hand, would be great to be able to watch NFL during the day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 02:42:00 PM
I've Monday off work as well. There's a pub in the village being returned to the owner at the end of a lease this week, so the lad with the lease in bowing out in style. Lock in, superbowl, free porter and sweepstakes on scorelines at 1st Quarter, half and full times.

Should be a bit of craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 02:43:09 PM
Going into a bar at about 1pm - doors being locked - bit of Texas Hold 'Em until game time

$70 all the food and beer you can handle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 03:11:14 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 02:43:09 PM
Going into a bar at about 1pm - doors being locked - bit of Texas Hold 'Em until game time

$70 all the food and beer you can handle

I remember watching the superbowl in 'Famous Sam's' in Phoenix. About 50 telly's and that game where you predict the next play. (Short pass left, run right, run middle etc). There was 4 of us there, myself and 3 lads over from Ireland visiting. We started at about 1pm and left at 9 o'clock that night. Some session. The girl behind the bar gave us the big inflatable miller 'Superbowl' blimp, because we drank and ate so much. We probably tipped her way too much as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
We do something like this in the local pub - each person buys a box for $10 and their name is put into it - and there's 100 boxes - so there's a prize pool of $1000.

(http://i31.tinypic.com/6sdl6o.jpg)

The person who has the box with the correct score at the end of each quarter wins - so say the score after the first quarter is 10 - 7 to the Giants - then the winner is the box who has 0 in the Giants score and 7 in the Patriots score (see the tick mark)

The numbers along the top and bottom are not drawn (randomly out of a hat) until all the boxes are full.

Prizes are dished out at the end of each quarter - $200 after 1, another $200 at half time, another $200 after 3 - and $400 for the final score

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2008, 03:42:59 PM
Yep Gab, that's what we're doing in the pub in Newport as well. €5 a square. €100 at the end of the 1st quarter, €100 at half time and €300 for the end of the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 03:45:40 PM
Ive got 1 of them boxes to Gab..in a bar in New York...1000 dollar box..went half's on it with another lad...1st-15000..half-20000... 3rd-15000 and full time is 50000  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 04:00:11 PM
thats some serious money Dev
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2008, 04:01:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 31, 2008, 04:00:11 PM
thats some serious money Dev

I think its 50000 smarties though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 04:04:36 PM
All the bars round Yonkers/Bronx have boxes...start of at 100 dollar right up to 10,000 a box
1000dollar box isn't to bad just pay of x amount a week from september...would be nice to hit the full time score :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 31, 2008, 06:58:32 PM
*ahem* its not dollars it points your honour...

a guy I work with is in a 10k per box game, no half time score, winner takes the lot. Its been sold out the last 3 years and there's a waiting list to get on it. They're thinking of doing 2 games this year...
million points for the winner tax free...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 31, 2008, 07:06:00 PM

  $5000 is the biggest around these parts that i'm aware of,
   50 g's for 4th quarter.....nice
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 31, 2008, 07:12:27 PM
Another way to gamble for you degenerates is strip cards. Take an envelope turn it longways right numbers 0-9 with a blank space line next to each number. Everyone signs their name and you can do it per quarter or half and final. The amount per person can be from 5-100 depending how much you want to cough up. Everyone sticks their money into the envelope and sits back to win.

Make sure the numbers are in no set order, something like Gab put up.

So if you have 8 and the end of your quarter or half or final and the score is 12 to 6 you add up the last numbers which would be 8.

Winner takes all.

Simple and easy.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 31, 2008, 06:58:32 PM
*ahem* its not dollars it points your honour...

a guy I work with is in a 10k per box game, no half time score, winner takes the lot. Its been sold out the last 3 years and there's a waiting list to get on it. They're thinking of doing 2 games this year...
million points for the winner tax free...

Sorry points ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 31, 2008, 07:51:44 PM
They do the same for All Ireland Finals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 01, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Good news for Gab, the NFL is going to have a game in Toronto for the next 5 years.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2008, 08:55:50 AM
Register for tickets for Wembley '08 on NFLUK.COM.

I'm already in. 4 requested. Now the long wait till May when it's announced.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on February 02, 2008, 02:02:51 PM
Fair play to them this year they got a good game. Should be high scoring and the likes of Bush and LT for the PR.
Not missing this one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2008, 03:26:07 PM
Im in too, hopefully the weather is a bit better this time. Looking forward to seeing a bit of Bush in London that weekend......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 03, 2008, 02:28:13 AM
Is there anyone who thinks the giants have a chance?

I think the giants will sneak it hopefully 32-31 ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2008, 07:45:36 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 01, 2008, 11:32:07 PM
Good news for Gab, the NFL is going to have a game in Toronto for the next 5 years.



pity you have to buy all 8 games

$2,000 up front

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2008, 07:47:16 AM
Quote from: new devil on February 03, 2008, 02:28:13 AM
Is there anyone who thinks the giants have a chance?

I think the giants will sneak it hopefully 32-31 ;)

24-21

Tynes with an OT FG
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shortso79 on February 03, 2008, 11:26:14 AM
Is Britney playing at half time  ??? ;D


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 03, 2008, 11:47:51 AM
Apparently they've commited to the next 3 years for games in the UK. ho-ray, registered my interest to go to the next game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2008, 02:49:34 PM
Super Bowl Sunday is here!!!! Cant wait now for kick off and then a giants win ;)
Heading into manhattan soon for the game.  The latest reports surfacing about the Patriots * and there camera men may actually go against the Giants and badly!


* caught cheating. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bensars on February 03, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Havent been following it, but i see that NY giants +12.5 poits are even money on betfair.

Maybe some of our american posters can tell me if this is a good bet ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2008, 04:28:26 PM
Some people think its a great bet. New England won by three the last time they played. That said, New England can dump 40+ points on anyone, so I cant make my mind up on wether to bet the game or not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bensars on February 03, 2008, 04:53:50 PM
Cheers Puckoon, i leave it then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 03, 2008, 05:46:27 PM
Was going to pick the Giants to cover the spread but now all the dirt is coming out bout the Patriots* it could really fire up them up!
Anyway I am off now, Strahan Jersey is on and the Irish Breakfast in me  LETS GO BIG BLUE!!!!! Win lose or draw i am going to enjoy this day no matter ;)

* caught cheating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2008, 07:55:47 PM
Put  a few quid on Patriots to cover the spread (-12) just so i become less neutral, booked tomorrow off work so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2008, 08:18:40 PM
NE 28 NY 13
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2008, 08:21:32 PM
Latest rumours that Patriots filmed the Rams walk through, and in particular their two minute drill, before the Super Bowl in 2002.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2008, 10:03:22 PM
Alicia Keys needs "assaulted with a friendly weapon"..... :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 03, 2008, 10:04:15 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 03, 2008, 04:28:26 PM
Some people think its a great bet. New England won by three the last time they played. That said, New England can dump 40+ points on anyone, so I cant make my mind up on wether to bet the game or not.

the pats whole season is on the line tonight, everything they have 'achieved' is on the line and no matter what anyone says that will be some presure on brady. if he throws another 3 interceptions tonight he might not get away with it..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2008, 10:36:02 PM
I capitulated.

Main Bet: Giants +12 and under 55 50$ parlay

Side Bet: Giants +12, under 55, more than 3 fieldgoals in game and more than 4 sacks.
10$ parlay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 03, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
COME ON THE GIANTS  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on February 04, 2008, 01:03:24 AM
Bollocks, half time and Pats not going well  :'(. Strahan, Osi et al are putting the heat on Brady. Offence not working at all bar the odd burst frm Laurence Moroney. Just as well Eli's boys are not firing on all cylinders either.......... If Giants keep dropping though, they will pay eventually
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 04, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Yea the Giants are putting a lot of pressure on Brady.....things are set up nice for Eli to take it home  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2008, 01:13:11 AM
Quote from: new devil on February 04, 2008, 01:07:34 AM
Yea the Giants are putting a lot of pressure on Brady.....things are set up nice for Eli to take it home  ;)
would love to see it but im not sure you can contain new england for the whole game,would love to see strahan get a ring
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 04, 2008, 03:23:47 AM
And Eli takes it home wooohooooo....what a finish still cant believe Giants have won it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 04, 2008, 04:16:48 AM
Jan 13th

Quotethe Coughlin decision to go full barrel after the pats in the last game of the season could pay off in spades if they get them in the Superbowl. 2 Mannings in a row?

feeling quite smug right now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 04, 2008, 04:48:22 AM
Credit where credit is due. Well done. Co-worker owes me lunch at the "mens club". She is paying. :D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 04, 2008, 06:09:11 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 03, 2008, 10:36:02 PM
I capitulated.

Main Bet: Giants +12 and under 55 50$ parlay

Side Bet: Giants +12, under 55, more than 3 fieldgoals in game and more than 4 sacks.
10$ parlay.

Puck,
Nice bet!!! 

Took the same - NYG and Under for 500.00 parlay - looking at a happy man and my birthday on top of it :D :D :D

Well done to the Giants and especially the coaching staff.

Think I won enough to fly back to see Cross win the All-Ireland.




Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 04, 2008, 10:27:25 AM
fell asleep before i could see the big finish unfortunately but glad to see Eli finally did the business!

From what i saw Michael Strahan was fantasic. i can remember when i was in Canada last summer, there was talk of him retiring!! lucky he didnt...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 04:14:35 PM
They are quick with those ads.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=74lQMtwTtNY&eurl=http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=29482 (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=74lQMtwTtNY&eurl=http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=29482)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 05, 2008, 05:30:38 PM
Really enjoyed the final great game ,i can't believe NY were 3/1 to win the fecking thing i definitely would have put a few squid on them to win. i thought it was unusual every time they zoomed in on Peyton Manning he was on his own, Pamela seemed to have a few around her ;) Did you see the Lad who won the superbowl last year been interviewed and saying how he hated the patriots so much just like the English hate the germans and Argentinians  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on February 05, 2008, 05:55:21 PM
Absolutely fantastic game (apart from the fecking result  :'( ). Probably the best defensive performance I've seen in 20 odd years of watching American Football.

On the bright side, Brady's still young and the Pats will be back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2008, 06:14:31 PM
Quote from: SammyG on February 05, 2008, 05:55:21 PM
Absolutely fantastic game (apart from the fecking result  :'( ). Probably the best defensive performance I've seen in 20 odd years of watching American Football.

On the bright side, Brady's still young and the Pats will be back.

The Pats are in a weakish division. They will be back in the play-offs again next season. Just need to inject some youth into their offensive and defensive lines. They will be a threat again next year. No doubt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 05, 2008, 07:19:57 PM
depends who they hold on to, but yes the Pats and Indy will be the 2 teams to beat next year. Giants and Cowboys will be there or there abouts, Green Bay may have blown their shot this year. and of course one random team that you didn't expect Cleveland maybe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 05, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
great game, have to say i was gutted for brady in the end. thought the giants were blessed on their final drive and dodged a load of bullets during the game but to the victor the spoils.. good video here of what the day is like (kinda like all ireland sunday!)

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/04/superbowl.memories/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on February 05, 2008, 08:27:05 PM
Front page of NFL.COM had a picture of Tedy Bruschi and the headline 18 and D'oh!!!

Bar stewards the lot of them (but still funny)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 05, 2008, 08:29:14 PM
Very good. I'd say the lad that leaked the cover of that book '19-0, story of the perfect Patriots' is currently attempting to remove Bill Bellichek's shoe from his back passage :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 05, 2008, 09:04:10 PM
one heading in new york '18 wins and 1 giant loss'  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2008, 10:19:55 PM
What a weekend  :) Just back from the ticker tape parade, what a sight it was too :o  What a great game it turned out to be with the Giants Defence standing out, and what about the catch from Tyree, actually that whole drive at the end will be remembered for a long time! Go Big Blue ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2008, 05:11:43 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2008, 10:19:55 PM
What a weekend  :) Just back from the ticker tape parade, what a sight it was too :o  What a great game it turned out to be with the Giants Defence standing out, and what about the catch from Tyree, actually that whole drive at the end will be remembered for a long time! Go Big Blue ;D

I thought I saw an eejit in a Carrickmore shirt on ESPN.
Anyways, lent is here, no more sports betting for Puck. :-\ On a brighter note, signed off tonight with a 6 teamer for 20$ parlay that will be returning 820$ in the morning! Like Hannibal says -"I love it when a plan (finallly after many failed attempts) comes together. God Bless College basketball - and Rocky top Tennessee.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2008, 07:10:34 AM
Shaq to the Suns for Shawn Marion if ESPN is to be believed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2008, 08:39:45 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on February 05, 2008, 07:41:15 PM
.....kinda like all ireland sunday!

Yeah, especially with Hugh Heffner and the bunnies, do often see em on the Hogan for the Meath games....... :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on February 06, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
lads re the london game, any of you head last year?

whats the chances of getting tickets on nfl uk when you preregister if yous know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 02:34:24 PM
There was quite a few GAA Board lads there last year. I think I counted 6 or 7 at one stage from the posts coming up to it.

By rights, and the laws of supply and demand, there's no way we should all have gotten tickets based on 500,000 applications. Maybe we were all lucky, or maybe they overstated the demand. I think everyone on this board was a member of nfluk.com by the way.

Hopefully we'll all get them again, as the demand might be a little less this year, after last year and with the promise of 2009 and 2010 as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2008, 03:03:04 PM
My missus has told me i am not going this time as it cost a fortune the last time but i will be there if i get a ticket, it may come down to choosing between the All Ireland Hurling weekend and the NFL game........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2008, 03:14:12 PM
AZ, id have thought with the success of this season (as a whole) and the thrilling climax (try not to giggle) that the demand this season will be high?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 03:17:59 PM
It could be Puckoon, but there was a huge novelty factor last year, and the fact that no one was sure if/when it would be back again.

I'm sure there will still be a high demand, but I suspect it may be a little softer this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2008, 03:23:00 PM
Fair enough - my cousin has a season pass for the 49ers, and Ive been promised a couple of tickets for a game of my choice. Not sure if I should wait a few more years.


On another note, people from omagh have been called Biffos before.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 03:24:58 PM
QuoteOn another note, people from omagh have been called Biffos before.

Well that's just piggybacking, we are the BIFFOS.

I was a season ticket holder with the Cardinals. How's that for dedication :D

Although it had it's benefits. At least I got to see the last ever TD pass from Steve Young to Jerry Rice, just before Aneas Williams gave Young his final and decisive concussion. It was a Monday night game at Sun Devil Stadium.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on February 06, 2008, 05:30:35 PM
Is the probowl on tonight does anyone know and what time?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2008, 05:43:19 PM
it's on Sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2008, 09:08:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2008, 03:24:58 PM
QuoteOn another note, people from omagh have been called Biffos before.

Well that's just piggybacking, we are the BIFFOS.

I was a season ticket holder with the Cardinals. How's that for dedication :D

Although it had it's benefits. At least I got to see the last ever TD pass from Steve Young to Jerry Rice, just before Aneas Williams gave Young his final and decisive concussion. It was a Monday night game at Sun Devil Stadium.

Is that the game where Lawrence Phillips looked like Barry Sanders for the Niners,i think he is in the clink now, that was probably the start of a downward spiral for them they finished 4-12 that year i think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2008, 09:49:21 PM
Pictures from the parade yesterday

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2069/2245797924_8bbe677ebc_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2172/2245799910_3c78096cc9_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2010/2245007213_c85d19508d_b.jpg)

That's the police bagpipe band.  You can see all the stuff flying around the air too.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2059/2245803378_08e9ec1561_b.jpg)

The first three players that came by, I'm not even sure who they are.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2385/2245804018_6c0debf1ff_b.jpg)

Amani and others!

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2209/2245804674_63b1223381_b.jpg)

Tom, Eli, Strahan, and the mayor with the trophy!  :d

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2406/2245010009_9db4f57932_b.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2190/2245805538_85ebd0b91b_b.jpg)

Steve Tisch, one of the owners.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2121/2245807304_deb670833f_b.jpg)

Antonio!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2008, 10:19:47 PM
Saw a good bit of coverage on NFL Access, when Eli was in the locker room after the game Peyton came in to congratulate him and they were talking about the blitzing packages and safety cover the Pats had on that last drive, i think most other players would have been lying with a cigar and a bottle of champagne......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 06, 2008, 10:59:04 PM
great pictures gab, thanks for that...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 07, 2008, 01:48:41 AM
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Super Bowl betting
Amount bet in Nevada sports books
2008: $92 million
2007: $93.1 million
2006: $94.5 million
2005: $90.8 million
2004: $81.2 million
2003: $71.7 million
2002: $71.5 million
How the sports books did
2008: Lost $2.57 million
2007: Won $12.9 million
2006: Won $8.8 million
Largest win: $15.4 million, 2005
Source: Nevada Gaming Control Board



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Nevada sports books and casinos lost a record $2.57 million on Super Bowl bets, according to statistics released Tuesday by the State Gaming Control Board.

The 17-14 victory by the underdog New York Giants over the heavily favored New England Patriots was just the second time Nevada books lost money on the Super Bowl since the Gaming Control Board started tracking Super Bowl bets in 1992, GCB analyst Frank Streshley said. In 1995, the state lost $400,000 when the San Francisco 49ers beat the San Diego Chargers, 49-26.

"It was a very difficult day," said Kenny White, chief

operating officer for the Las Vegas Sports Consultants, a group of bookmakers who set Nevada's betting line.

Many bookmakers were unfazed by the record losses as Super Bowl winners probably stayed in Nevada casinos and used their winnings to play other games, White said.

"We lost $2.5 million, but with the game ending at 7:30, I can guarantee you that the casino handle that night was probably better than any other Sunday of the year," White said.

"This is not going to close us up," said Chris Andrews of Leroy's Race & Sports Book, which has more than 60 outlets across Nevada. "I am certain that there are weekends over the course of the season that the collective books of Nevada lost more than that."

The Giants' late touchdown drive that included one of the most spectacular catches in Super Bowl history cost the state dearly, White said.

"If the Pats get the ball back and win the game 14-10, I think the state wins about $15 million," White said. "So that is a $17.5 million swing."

Many bookmakers hoped that the matchup of teams from two large Eastern television markets would attract $100 million for the first time. But the handle of $92 million was the smallest since $90 million in 1995.

Some bookmakers blamed the nation's economy.

"I don't have a good answer for that," Andrews said. "I can tell you that our business was pretty strong. It might have been that just a couple of heavy hitters at a couple of locations that showed up last year didn't show up this year. That is very possible because that is how (handle) records get set."

White said Las Vegas sports books lacked that Super Bowl buzz of prior years in the days leading up to the game.

"I think it was the economy, because most of the people that I talked to felt that it was a little slow compared to last year," he said. "Friday was a dead day for a lot of the casinos in town (Las Vegas). That was surprising because it is usually very, very lively on Fridays. And Saturday, it was more like a regular NFL day where we had a pretty good house but nothing spectacular."

Money-line bets (picking only a winner) and the 14- to 12-point spread were the keys to the heavy losses, Streshley said.

"I was told that one out of the 30 people who were betting the money line were betting the Patriots and the other 29 were betting New York," Streshley said. "So a substantial amount of people bet the money line, and going into the game, it was 3½, so if you bet one dollar (on the Giants), you'd win $3.50 versus having to put own $4 on the Patriots to win $1.

"Plus, the opening line started at 14 and immediately went to 12½ so initially, that tells you right there that people were betting on the Giants."

Many people bet with their hearts and many despised the Patriots, who sought to become the second NFL team in history to be undefeated, bookmakers said.

"Almost everybody that walked up to the window seemed to be betting the money line and the Giants," White said. "And that is the main area where the books lost. The totals were very good and the props (proposition bets) were excellent and the futures ended up being very good."

"But the main thing is that people really had a dislike for the Patriots for some reason," White said. "That surprised me. I thought that they would be rooting for history, but that was not the case."


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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2008, 03:45:39 AM
serves the feckers right
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 07, 2008, 09:47:21 PM
would have thought they'd have lost a lot more than $2.5m....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 13, 2008, 04:50:15 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3240117 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3240117)

Zednik in stable condition after having surgery on cut neck
ESPN.com news services

Updated: February 11, 2008, 7:20 PM ET
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Zednik Cut by Skate in Panthers LossBUFFALO, N.Y. -- Florida Panthers forward Richard Zednik underwent surgery to close a deep gash on the right side of his neck and was in stable condition Sunday night after he was cut by a teammate's skate during a game.

"The surgery was successful and he's resting comfortably in the hospital," Panthers spokesman Brian Goldman said.

Blood gushed from Zednik's neck after he was hurt midway through the third period of Buffalo's 5-3 victory, creating a frightening moment that delayed the game for about 15 minutes. There was also a brief discussion about postponing the game altogether.

Zednik was behind the play and skating into the right corner of the Sabres' zone, when teammate Olli Jokinen was upended by Sabres forward Clarke MacArthur. Jokinen fell head-first to the ice, and his right leg flew up and struck Zednik directly on the side of the neck.

Clutching his neck, Zednik raced to the Florida bench, leaving a long trail of blood. When he arrived, he nearly fell into the arms of a team trainer, who quickly applied a towel to the cut. Zednik was then helped off the ice by the trainer and teammate Jassen Cullimore, and escorted to the Panthers' dressing room.

"We shouldn't have finished the game," Jokinen said. "I saw the replay, that it was my skate that hit him in the throat. I think we were all in shock. I've never seen anything like that. There are bigger things than [finishing the game]. It was terrifying.

"I didn't think anyone on our team was thinking hockey out there after an injury like that. If it was my call, I would have gone to the hospital with him."



Panthers spokesman Justin Copertino said Zednik was transported by ambulance to Buffalo General Hospital. Copertino said the team was making arrangements to have Zednik's wife, Jessica, fly from South Florida to Buffalo by a charter flight Sunday night.

The team was scheduled to return to Miami, but assistant general manager Randy Sexton and assistant trainer Dave Zenobi planned to stay behind with Zednik, Copertino said.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 13, 2008, 07:00:01 AM
I saw that on espn brutal to look at, the man is very lucky to be alive.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 14, 2008, 10:51:46 PM
http://www.nypost.com/video/?channel=PostSportsFeed&clipid=1458_237375&bitrate=300&format=flash

pretty humourous 18-1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 15, 2008, 02:44:09 AM
Any thoughts on the Clemens affair.

To my mind he's ties himself in knots. the points below combine to swing it for me

I think he's going to have to cop to it, though he seems like he's ready to brass it out...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 16, 2008, 01:55:02 AM
Was working late this week and missed most coverage on it. Clemens lied IMO, Pettites admission plus Clemens wife admitting to taking the growth hormones finally convinced me! Mc Namee though aint no saint, cop turn drug dealer! Why would he keep the syringes etc for so long?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 16, 2008, 03:02:02 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 15, 2008, 02:44:09 AM
Any thoughts on the Clemens affair.

To my mind he's ties himself in knots. the points below combine to swing it for me

  • Andy Petit says Clemens said he did it
  • he has messed up dates consistently in his story (ies)
  • Why would he tell the truth about the other 59 names and then just add Clemens his big mate
  • Clemens' wife took HGH
  • McNamee has the syringes and swabs which he has handed over
  • The abscess in his ass is consistent with steroid injection - no recorded cases of it happening with b12 ever

I think he's going to have to cop to it, though he seems like he's ready to brass it out...


After 60 minutes - I thought he was guilty as sin

After his public press conference on ESPN where he played the taped phone conversation with McNamee - I thought he was innocent

Now I feel like he really believes he didnt do it. He is in denial. Maybe if I say enough times that I didnt do it, then I wont have done it. It looks ridiculous but Ill keep on denying it. My mates did it, my trainer says he gave it to me, my wifes admitted to doing it but Im clean



Oh and I forgot Im as big as a f**king house and what I shouldnt be wearing to court is a suit that highlights my monstrous size. :o


I enjoyed Clemens lawyer today on McNamees lawyer:


"He needs to stop smoking his own dope"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 20, 2008, 03:35:17 AM
Anyone watch Andy Pettites press conference at Yankee spring camp?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 20, 2008, 09:36:56 AM
Clemens is as guilty as sin and then hangs his wife out to dry - Classy guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 20, 2008, 07:13:37 PM
aye- I watched the Pettite press conference, he sort of came out and said, Im sorry I did it when it wasn't against MLB rules, I did it to recover from injury more quickly and Im really sorry. He also came out and said "mac told the truth about me" He also said he felt for Clemens, but specifically did not back him up.

Clemens is going down...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 21, 2008, 04:17:15 AM
NBA
Shaq face to face with Kobe again for his new team, and Jason Kidd back in Dallas. Who do you fancy for the play offs and the title?


Phoenix have a great shot if Shaq can take care of himself and integrate into the team

Lakers with Bryant on form and Andrew Bynum back will be a match for most teams

Dallas??? Dont score enough

San Antonio look too old, infact they are the oldest team in the NBA

Pistons or Celtics??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 21, 2008, 08:46:41 AM
The Suns have taken a gamble here. Shawn Marion was very popular in Phoenix, and although he's been surpassed by Amare Stoudamire for the publicity in the past season or so, he was a very important part of the Suns run and gun offence. Shaq will bring a completely different dimension to the Suns, the big man at Centre, both offensively and defensively, but he is old, hurt and how hungry is he?

Shaq 6 years ago would have been the final piece in the jigsaw. Shaq now? Not so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 21, 2008, 05:08:46 PM
Well I suppose he would have to put a positive spin on this, but Steve Nash seems pretty happy about the whole thing. Said that shaq told him he wouldnt let him down. If he can regain some hunger, work on the free throws and stay fit - it will be interesting to say the least. Its quite an open looking end to the season so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 05:31:31 PM
Can see a Lakers - Celtics Final myself
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 21, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 15, 2008, 02:44:09 AM
Any thoughts on the Clemens affair.

To my mind he's ties himself in knots. the points below combine to swing it for me

  • Andy Petit says Clemens said he did it
  • he has messed up dates consistently in his story (ies)
  • Why would he tell the truth about the other 59 names and then just add Clemens his big mate
  • Clemens' wife took HGH
  • McNamee has the syringes and swabs which he has handed over
  • The abscess in his ass is consistent with steroid injection - no recorded cases of it happening with b12 ever

I think he's going to have to cop to it, though he seems like he's ready to brass it out...


Clemens to me is as guilty as sin, and I think the vast majority of the public agree with me. He always was an arrogant git although I always liked him when he was with Boston and pulled for him in Toronto.

His wife took HGH and he had no knowledge of it??? I find that hard to believe.
The most damning component of the whole situation is Andy petites testimony, that killls any credibility Clemens had.


By the way, some of those congressman are so out of touch with reality it is hard to believe they got elected. One guy lambasted mcnamee without having his story straight and by doing so told everyone he thought Clemens was truthful despite the fact that his team mate acknowledged that he and Clemens had talked openly about their use of steroids and HGH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 21, 2008, 09:45:27 PM
big NBA trade today - could shake the East up

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3257159 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3257159)

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 22, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
Cleveland seem to have come out winners in this trade! Wallace and Szczerbiak along with Le Bron should give them enough now to challenge Boston!
And still nothing from the Knicks >:(  Nobody will take any of their overpaid flops !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 22, 2008, 12:26:46 AM
would you blame them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 22, 2008, 02:00:05 AM
That was some comeback for Notre Dame! :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 22, 2008, 03:55:35 AM
Good trade for the Cavs.  Would have liked a bona fide point guard, but Wallace should be tough on the boards, and Wally "I'd like to buy a vowel" will give LeBron more room with his 3-point shooting.  Boston still the favorites in the East, but the three remaining games against the Pistons should be exciting.  Will the Cavs. have enough players left to play against Washington? I'll have to buy a program to keep track of the roster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 22, 2008, 05:06:30 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 22, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
And still nothing from the Knicks >:(  Nobody will take any of their overpaid flops !

I presume the Knicks didn't get any interest in the end - last night's "heroics" in Philly probably put paid to any slight interest there was.

Its hard to know where they go from here - Thomas obviously has to go, as do the likes of Jerome James (how much is he earning?), Marbury, Jeffries and probably most of the squad except for Crawford, the younger lads like Lee, Balkman, Morris and maybe Collins (if he's ever going to be given a role), and perhaps Randolph. Curry, after showing some promise last year, has been awful this season, perhaps because of Randolph taking over some of his role, but regardless, he offers nothing in defense. Not sure about Nate Robinson - he's done very well at times in Marbury's absense, but like Crawford, blows a bit hot and cold. They're probably stuck with most of them anyway, given the contracts. They'll probably leave Thomas in place so that they can finish as low as possible at this stage to help them in the draft!



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 27, 2008, 08:08:47 PM
just heard on cnn that the justice dept is going to investigate wheather clemens committed perjury, that should take them all of 5 minutes. move over barry bonds you got company..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 27, 2008, 08:12:13 PM
It has to be in the affirmative.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SammyG on February 27, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 28, 2008, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: SammyG on February 27, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.

dont know if you've ever read george kimball sammy (boston sports writer (you a red sox fan and all!)) but he argues that clemens biggest problem is he's thick, most of the rest of his problems stem from that. as for his record, its junk imo..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rdw on February 28, 2008, 10:32:41 PM
Quote from: SammyG on February 27, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.
HIs place in the Hall of fame relied on him being pardoned or at least admonished of guilt.
The stupid misguided arrrogant p***k.
Don't drop the soap Roger.
Title: Clemens case referred to Dept of Justice
Post by: heganboy on February 29, 2008, 04:44:54 PM
 The senate committee says there are 7 "inconsistencies" in his testimony
taken from http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-splott295595820feb29,0,6818107.story

QuoteOn the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform's Web site, the letter that refers Roger Clemens' case to the Department of Justice is posted along with a staff memo prepared for the chairman, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.). It breaks down the perjury case against Clemens in fascinating detail, almost as if it were a Cliffs Notes version of the Feb. 13 congressional hearing. Here is a summary of the memo's seven points made by Clemens under oath "that appear to be contradicted by other evidence before the committee or implausible."

1. CLEMENS SAID HE'S NEVER TAKEN STEROIDS OR HGH

Brian McNamee testified that he injected Clemens with performance-enhancing drugs in 1998, 2000 and 2001, which Clemens vehemently denied. However, Chuck Knoblauch and Andy Pettitte said McNamee told the truth about their use of performance-enhancing drugs. Therefore, the memo states, "There is little reason to believe that Mr. McNamee would provide truthful testimony about Mr. Pettitte and Mr. Knoblauch, but false testimony about Mr. Clemens.''
 
The memo also points out the contradiction that was perhaps most damning of all to Clemens: that his close friend, Pettitte, testified under oath that Clemens told him in 1999 or 2000 that he used HGH, and then in 2005 told Pettitte that is not accurate.

Under a "medical evidence'' sub-category, the memo focuses on an abscess Clemens developed on his buttocks in 1998, which McNamee believes was a result of a steroid shot he rushedDr. Mark Murphy, chief of musculoskeletal radiology at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, said an injury that appeared on an MRI was "more compatible with a Winstrol injection'' than a B-12 shot, as Clemens said.

2. CLEMENS SAID MCNAMEE INJECTED HIM WITH LIDOCAINE

Clemens said in his deposition that McNamee "gave me lidocaine once'' in my "lower back.'' However, McNamee said, "I never injected Roger Clemens or anyone else with lidocaine.'' The memo points out that Blue Jays trainer Tommy Craig and assistant trainer Scott Shannon testified that, essentially, a lidocaine shot by a trainer is unheard of.

3. CLEMENS TESTIFIED TEAM TRAINERS GAVE HIM PAIN INJECTIONS

Clemens testified that trainers from all four teams he played for gave him pain injections. However, the memo reports that trainers from the Blue Jays, Astros and Red Sox denied that in separate depositions. Only Yankees trainer Gene Monahan admitted to giving Clemens one injection, "a light dose of Toradol,'' which is a pain medication.

4. CLEMENS TESTIFIED THAT HE RECEIVED MANY B-12 INJECTIONS

The memo said, "When asked if he had received these injections from team doctors, nurses or team trainers, he replied, 'All of the above.''' However, the memo reports that they received Clemens' medical records dating from 1995 and that there is only one record of a B-12 injection, on the July 28, 1998 medical report regarding Clemens' abscess.

5. CLEMENS TESTIFIED HE NEVER DISCUSSED HGH WITH MCNAMEE

The memo called Clemens out for what they say are blatant lies. "In his deposition, Mr. Clemens was asked repeatedly whether he had spoken with Mr. McNamee about human growth hormone. He denied . . . These answers were not truthful.'' That's because Clemens later says he learned McNamee injected Clemens' wife, Debbie, with HGH after the fact, and "had two specific conversations with Mr. McNamee about HGH.''

6. CLEMENS TESTIFIED HE WAS NOT AT JOSE CANSECO'S HOUSE FROM JUNE 8 TO JUNE 10, 1998

Clemens was most adamant about this in his deposition. McNamee testified Clemens was there. However, the memo points out that the testimony by Clemens' nanny places him at the Canseco house. At the committee's hearing, Clemens testified that he was "not totally positive'' that he did not go to the Canseco home after playing golf to drop off his wife before going to the ballpark. The implication was that Clemens curiously changed his story.

7. CLEMENS SAID HE WAS "NEVER TOLD" ABOUT SEN. MITCHELL'S REQUEST

The memo references Clemens' interview with Mike Wallace on "60 Minutes'' in which he explained that he did not speak with Sen. George Mitchell because he "listened to counsel.'' But according to the memo, "In his deposition before the Committee, Mr. Clemens gave a different and contradictory explanation, stating at least six times under oath that he had no idea that Senator Mitchell was seeking to interview him.''
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 29, 2008, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: SammyG on February 27, 2008, 08:27:06 PM
Still don't understand why Clemens wanted to go to Congress. If everything went for him, he didn't gain anything and if it went tits up (which it has) he's looking at jail time. I don't know if he was very badly advised or if he was just so arrogant that he thought he could blag it.

Probably the greatest pitcher ever (and certainly the greatest of the modern era) but you have to wonder whether his record means anything.

Nail hit on head sammy, arrogance has killed him.

As for him being the greatest pitcher ever, I would have to disagree, Koufax was the best ever however longevity is not in his favour. Clemens has gotten better with age and I think we all know why. I thought clemens was a tremendous pitcher when the Red Sox let him go and thought they had made a huge mistake. They brought Pedro in and they never missed a beat, how many titles would Boston have won if they had kept both?

Nolan Ryan is also up there. For me Clemens is number three on the list of best pitchers ever until it comes out that he lied, at that point I dont think he should even be considered. I consider him a liar and a fool, and worst of all, a walking advertisement of all that is wrong with professional sports in America.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 03, 2008, 06:07:09 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3274467

QuoteThe Pittsburgh Steelers and quarterback Ben Roethlisberger have agreed to a new eight-year, $102 million contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 04, 2008, 03:11:25 PM
Brett Favre hangs them up

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7870944/Favre-has-decided-to-call-it-a-career

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 04, 2008, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 04, 2008, 03:11:25 PM
Brett Favre hangs them up

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7870944/Favre-has-decided-to-call-it-a-career



Green Bay is in a state of shock, the state of Wisconsin is in shock.

Gab Hurl. You got to see them man in his final year, he will go down as one of the best three players ever to play the game.

It was time for him to move on. Aaron Rogers, the backup quarterback is going to be a stud, he will get the job done for Green Bay.

Nobody is talking about this but I wouldnt be surprised if Favre decides to unretire just before the end of training camp and I could see him in a Dolfins uniform. Call me a cynic but I dont think he has played his last down in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 04, 2008, 06:49:53 PM
I think Brett took a brave and wise decision. The last of the QBs who played for fun, and loved to take a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 04, 2008, 09:37:11 PM
Aye, he was great to watch, had that kind or gunslinger, chance-taker kinda vibe about him. even in the way he spoke. Great player, and perhaps deserved more than 1 superbowl but hey more than Dan Marino. He'll be in the hall of fame before you know it.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2008, 09:36:34 PM
Reality check for all you Favre fans.......

We interrupt the continued deification of Brett Favre -- a first-ballot Hall of Famer and the most durable player in NFL history -- with the following reality check.


Yes, Favre played long enough to throw the most touchdown passes and collect the most wins by an NFL quarterback. But let's examine the second half of No. 4's career. The truth is, Favre did little over the past decade to earn the gushing praise heaped upon him by our fawning brethren in the media.

In his 17 seasons, Brett Favre set numerous NFL records, including most yards passing (61,655) and most touchdowns (442).



But do those numbers, combined with Favre's three MVP awards and one Super Bowl victory, put him among the top 10 quarterbacks of all time?


After beating the San Francisco 49ers in the 1997 NFC Championship Game, Favre won just three of his last 10 playoff games. Eli Manning had more postseason wins in a 29-day span this past season than Favre had in his last decade with the Green Bay Packers.

Yes, Favre won a Super Bowl -- 11 years ago! But as his career arc spiraled downward, the blind adulation only got worse.

Favre's passer rating in his last 12 postseason games was a pedestrian 77.8. In his last five wild-card games, he went 2-3 with more interceptions (nine) than touchdown passes (seven). In his last three divisional playoff games, he went 1-2 with seven TDs and seven interceptions. That's a 3-5 record with 14 touchdown passes and 16 picks.

In two of his last four postseason appearances, Favre threw two of the most unthinkable playoff interceptions in NFL history, both in overtime -- to Brian Dawkins of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003 and to Corey Webster of the New York Giants in January. In fact, Favre is the only quarterback in NFL history to throw overtime interceptions in two playoff games. In his last nine playoff games, Favre threw 18 interceptions.

Brett Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Fellow Packer star quarterback Bart Starr, above, was 9-1.
In the first 81 years of the Green Bay franchise, the most hallowed in all of pro football, the Packers were 13-0 at home in the postseason. But since 2002, the Packers have gone 2-3 in playoff games at Lambeau Field, with Favre losing to three not-quite Hall of Fame quarterbacks: Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper and Manning.


If Manning had a decade like that, he'd be run out of New York. If Philip Rivers kept chucking ridiculous overtime interceptions in the postseason, he would be branded a first-round bust. If Drew Brees came up short in three out of five home playoff games, he'd be mocked.

But no matter how many dumb passes he threw and how many playoff games he lost, Favre remains immune to criticism.

Favre isn't even the greatest quarterback in the history of the Packers. It's not even close. Bart Starr won five NFL championships -- four more than Favre -- and retired as the NFL's most accurate passer.

Oh, you say Starr was surrounded by a Hall of Fame roster with a legendary coach. But Starr still is the NFL record holder with a 104.8 career playoff passer rating, nearly 20 points higher than Favre's. That wasn't Vince Lombardi or Ray Nitschke throwing those passes for Starr, whose career postseason passer rating, by the way, is 38 points higher than Johnny Unitas'.

Favre's career playoff record was 12-10. Starr's was 9-1 -- without the benefit of wild-card games. Favre threw 28 interceptions in 22 playoff games. Starr threw three in 10. Think about that -- just three picks in 213 postseason attempts.



But Bart Starr gets the Ringo Starr treatment -- underappreciated and overlooked. Favre gets put on a pedestal. Yes, he had a Pro Bowl season in 2007 with the youngest roster in the NFL. But his final moment on Lambeau Field was a wildly errant pass that turned into the NFC title for the Giants.



Indeed, a decade after his last moments of glory, the football hype machine continues to paint Favre as a hallowed icon of Americana, a symbol of all that is right with sports, a Wild West gun-slinging good ol' boy. There's Brett on the farm! There's Brett with his family! There's Brett on the cover of Sports Illustrated! There's Brett throwing another overtime interception!

Favre was among the best in the game, once upon a time. Those days are long gone. Only the idolatry remains.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 09, 2008, 10:18:33 PM
f**king detractors. How many times have they been hit by a linebacker and still bounced up and scored a touchdown?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on March 09, 2008, 10:31:31 PM
his debut for green bay as a starter was on 27 sept 1992 and he began every single game played by the packers until now, thats 253 consecutive starts (almost 100 more than the next qb on the list). enough said..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2008, 10:34:29 PM
excellence in durability no doubt. . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 18, 2008, 06:22:57 PM
March madness is coming up, I know we had a pick your bracket competition in the past. Can anyone remember which site we used?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2008, 06:23:55 PM
cbssportsline was it?

Can you bet on this? I fancy Georgetown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on March 19, 2008, 08:15:35 AM
I was on here a few months ago espousing the virtues of the Boston Celtics.. It was more in hope than evidence despite their NBA best start at the beginning of the season. Now at the business end, I am delighted to say that they are even better than anybody thought..
They just beat San Antonio (The champs) and Houston (22 wins in a row before last night) and have Dallas to come in the toughest road trip EVER in the Texas Triangle (Rated by many)

The GREEN MACHINE IS BACK
Celtics 94, Rockets 74
(AP)
Breaking news: Celtics end it
The Celtics sent the hot Rockets back to earth last night. The second-longest winning streak in NBA history - 22 games - ended when the Celtics brought down the Rockets, 94-74, at the Toyota Center, handing Houston its first loss since Jan. 27. (Boston Globe, 12 a.m.)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 19, 2008, 11:42:19 AM
Anyone keeping an eye on the NFL draft, I havent myself really, plenty going on in the GAA NFL right now.
Would anyone be so kind to give me a run down on who's the movers and shakers this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 12:12:11 PM
It's a slow enough draft in terms of the 'skills' positions this year. A lot of the top prospects are defensive ends or tackle or linebackers, and offensive linemen. The current sort of top 5 projections are looking at only Arkansas Running back (1,807 yards in 2007) and maybe Matt Ryan (QB - Boston College) as being in there as skills players.
The other players up there on most boards are Virginia DE Chris Long, Michigan Tackle Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey, DT from Louisiana State and Ryan Clady, an Offensive Tackle from Boise State.

I was reading a mock draft on cbssportline.com where this is the first round picks (assuming no trades, which there will be)

1. Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, Defensive End, Virginia to bolster the D line and help out Jason Taylor.
2. Saint Louis Rams - Jake Long, Offensive Tackle, Michigan
3. Atlanta Falcons - Glenn Dorsey, Defensive Tackle, Louisiana State. They might go for Ryan (QB) instead, but the feeling is they need to shore up the run defense.
4. Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, Running Back, Arkansas. The only skill player in the top 5 of this mock, they reckon the Raiders will take him to give them a geniune RB.
5. Kansas City Chiefs - Ryan Clady, Offensive Tackle, Boise State. Will be picked to shore up the useless Chiefs line.

6. New York Jets - Vernon Gholston, Outside Linebacker, Ohio State. Will be drafted as a pass rushing Linebacker, and also has the speed to cover receivers in the slot.
7. New England Patriots (trade with San Francisco) - Leodis McKelvin, Cornerback, Troy State. They've lost Asante Samuel, so need a good corner.
8. Baltimore Ravens - Matt Ryan, Quarterback, Boston College - He may not fall so far, so the Ravens may need to trade, or Atlanta may pick him.
9. Cincinatti Bengals - Sedrick Ellis - Defensive Tackle, USC. - They need help on the run stop.
10. New Orleans Saints - Keith Rivers - Outside Linebacker - USC, - Another fast, powerful linebacker who can blitz and cover.

Other than the top 10.

11. Buffalo - Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma.
12. Denver - Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
13. Carolina - Derick Harvey, DE, Florida
14. Bears - Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
15. Lions - Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
16. Cardinals!!!!- Dominique Rogers-Cromartie, Cornerback, Tennessee State.
17. Vikings - Philip Merling - DE Clemson
18. Texans - Jonathan Stewart - RB Oregon
19. Eagles - Limas Sweed, WR Texas
20. Buccs - Mike Jenkins, CB South Florida
21. Redskins - Calais Campbell, DE Miami
22. Cowboys, (trade from Cleveland) - DeSean Jackson, WR California
23. Steelers Aqib Talib, CB Kansas
24. Titans - Devin thomas, WR Michigan State
25. Seahawks - Kentwan Balmer, DT North Carolina
26. Jaguars - Brenden Albert, Guard/Tackle Virginia
27. Chargers - Rashard Mendenhall, RB Illinois
28. Felix Jones - RB Arkansas
29. 49ers (from Colts) Early Doucet, WR, LSU
30. Antoine Carson, CB, Arizona
31. New England Patiots forfeit the pick (Bellichek-gate)
31. Giants, Kenny Philips, Safety Miami
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 19, 2008, 01:47:01 PM
As I get older I get sadder and I spent a fair bit of time this year watching the combine. There may be a few surprises this year, some players did themselves huge favours at the combine that will see their positions shift, I'd say Jake Long may be one of the beneficiaries of this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 19, 2008, 02:26:24 PM
Thanks AZ,

Just looking at the Falcons Im just wondering where are they going to even start. They have Joey Harrington  back at QB, which isnt a great start. Chris Redmen gave a glimmer of hope last season in one game. But yes the run-D was attrocious as well.

Any idea was Ryan Clady on the Boise State team that won the Bowl game against OU. That was one hell of a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 02:27:26 PM
I'm sure he was. That was 06/07 wasn't it? I think he's a senior this year, so he was probably a junior back then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2008, 02:30:42 PM
Here you go Juice. He was a redshirt Freshman in 04, played in 05, 06 and 07. 6' 6'' and 319 lbs (nearly 23 stone weight). That's a lot of beef on the hoof.

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COLLEGE - (2007) Named first-team All-America by the AFCA and the Sporting News, second-team All-America by the Walter Camp Football Foundation and SI.com and third-team All-America by Rivals.com...Named first-team All-Western Athletic Conference....Named Boise State's co-offensive lineman of the year...Key cog in the  Broncos offensive line that helped Boise State's offense finish the regular season ranked fifth in the country in scoring, sixth in passing efficiency, ninth in total offense and 31st in rushing offense...Named to the PLAYBOY All-America Football Team...Named preseason first-team All-America by the Sporting News and second-team All-America by Nationalchamps.net...Named to Outland Trophy and Rotary Lombardi Watch Lists...Picked as a member of the preseason All-WAC team by the Sporting News and Blue Ribbon Yearbook...



(2006) Named second-team All-America by SI.com...Named first-team All-WAC...Started all 13 games at left tackle for the Broncos...Had a dominating season that helped Boise State finish the season second in the nation in scoring (39.69 ppg), second in rushing touchdowns (39), sixth in the nation in rushing (214.15 ypg), and 10th in the nation in total offense (420.62 ypg), while leading the WAC in rushing and finishing second in scoring and third in total offense...Named to SI.com Midseason All-America first team and CollegeFootballNews.com second team...Named to the Outland Trophy Watch List...Named to The Sporting News and Blue Ribbon Preseason All-WAC Teams...



(2005) Named first-team Freshman All-America by ESPN.com, second-team Freshman All-America by Rivals.com and CollegeFootballNews.com and third-team Freshman All-America by the Sporting News...Started 11 of Boise State's 13 games at right tackle... Helped the Broncos finish ninth in the country in scoring (36.08), 19th in rushing (202.46) and fifth in rushing touchdowns (36)...



(2004) Redshirted for the Broncos...Originally signed with Boise State in February 2004.



HIGH SCHOOL - A 2004 graduate Eisenhower High School in Rialto, California...A first-team All-CVL selection, as well as a first-team All-County pick and a first-team All-CIF Division I honoree...Finished with 60 tackles, five sacks, and one fumble recovery...High school coach was Julius McChristian.



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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 19, 2008, 03:13:51 PM
Here is PFW's mock draft.

QB Ryan, OT Long still projected to go 1-2

By Nolan Nawrocki
March 15, 2008


The following mock draft was excerpted from PFW's soon-to-be-published 2008 Draft Preview book, with fresh commentary based on discussions with NFL sources.


1. Miami Dolphins — QB Matt Ryan, Boston College
The premium on the QB position gives Ryan an edge at the top spot. Jake McCown was signed to allow the Dolphins to compete from Day One, but expect Ryan to be in the starting lineup by season's end, a la JaMarcus Russell for the Raiders a year ago, after he builds some confidence and becomes familiar with the playbook.

2. St. Louis Rams — OLT Jake Long, Michigan
The Rams swung and missed on Alan Faneca in free agency and must find a way to keep the pocket clean for Marc Bulger to make Scott Linehan's offense go. With Orlando Pace aging and injury-prone, Long is a no-brainer. He could start at either right tackle or left guard from Day One and be prepared to take over for Pace when he retires.

3. Atlanta Falcons — DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
The release of DT Rod Coleman created a void in the middle for Mike Smith's preferred 4-3 defense. Dorsey is a very safe pick for a first-time general manager.

4. Oakland Raiders — DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State (Jr.)
Al Davis has been and always will be a numbers guy, and Darren McFadden will certainly remain in the mix after running a blistering 40 at the Combine. However, with Tommy Kelly kicking inside full time to replace Warren Sapp, Tyler Brayton departing in free agency and Derrick Burgess having only one year left on a contract that he has outplayed, Davis needs to give more serious thought to strengthening the defensive line. Considered by some longtime evaluators to be the most naturally gifted player in the draft, Gholston should benefit from an outstanding pro-day workout that could help solidify a top-five spot.

5. Kansas City Chiefs — OLT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh
The Chiefs typically send a contingent of personnel executives to evaluate first-round selections, and their presence at Ryan Clady's workout was minimal. While the fifth overall slot seems very rich for Otah, his powerful style best fits Herm Edwards' preferred smashmouth style, as well as that of new offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.

6. New York Jets — OLB Chris Long, Virginia
Long brings tremendous versatility to a Jets defense that has lacked the versatile personnel required to seamlessly switch up their front the same way Eric Mangini did in New England.

7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco) — RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas (Jr.)
Fumbling issues can often be corrected, and Bill Belichick has proven he could take players with questionable character such as Corey Dillon and Randy Moss and manage them properly with the help of a strong veteran locker room of leaders. It may still prove to be too risky a proposition for the Pats, given McFadden's off-field transgressions and his loyalty to a family that has created trouble for him. However, Belichick and Scott Pioli are nonconformists who think outside the box and enjoy going against the grain, and McFadden's body of work will be very tempting to consider.

8. Baltimore Ravens — CB-RS Leodis McKelvin, Troy
The image of the Ravens' corners getting scorched in coverage was all too familiar a year ago. McKelvin's special return ability is what should make him the first corner drafted.

9. Cincinnati Bengals — OLT Ryan Clady, Boise State (Jr.)
The Bengals struggled to stay healthy on the offensive line a year ago and have an aging, increasingly injured pair of bookends in Willie Anderson and Levi Jones. They must look hard at the trenches on both sides of the ball, and Clady could bring more long-term value than Sedrick Ellis.

10. New Orleans Saints — CB-KR Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
The Saints were victimized early and often with Jason David in the lineup, and they were not willing to outbid the Eagles for Asante Samuel. Sean Payton has shown an affinity for small-school talent and has made stars out of Marques Colston and Jahri Evans.

11. Buffalo Bills — DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
The Bills recognize value and are thin inside after cutting Larry Tripplett. Ellis will command double-teams inside and would be a great fit for Perry Fewell's defense.

12. Denver Broncos — WLB Keith Rivers, USC
The Broncos cut Ian Gold and have not been as strong at the LB position since Al Wilson departed a year ago. Rivers brings versatility to play any LB position and could start from Day One alongside D.J. Williams.

13. Carolina Panthers — RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon (Jr.)
Although he recently underwent surgery to correct a broken bone in his foot, Stewart's draft status likely will not be affected much. His combination of size, strength and speed is rare.

14. Chicago Bears — OLT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
With John Tait better-suited for the right side, which Fred Miller has now vacated, Williams would be a natural fit and could upgrade what had become an overaged unit.

15. Detroit Lions — CB-RS Aqib Talib, Kansas (Jr.)
The Lions cut Fernando Bryant from a secondary that was victimized heavily through the air a year ago. They need to create more pressure up front, but Talib's size and instincts make him most naturally suited for a zone scheme. Rashard Mendenhall may not escape the top 15, however, after the Lions cut Kevin Jones, failed to land Julius Jones and signed Tatum Bell to only a one-year deal.

16. Arizona Cardinals — RB Rashard Mendenhall, Illinois (Jr.)
Cornerback could be a more pressing need, but with few options available and Edgerrin James losing a step, Ken Whisenhunt will be looking to strengthen a power running game.

17. Minnesota Vikings — DE Derrick Harvey, Florida (Jr.)
Injuries have depleted the Vikings' depth on the edges, and after coming up short on a deal for Justin Smith, they will be looking very closely at pass rushers early.

18. Houston Texans — OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College
Cherilus comes versed in the zone-blocking scheme that B.C. head coach Jeff Jagodzinski learned under new Texans assistant Alex Gibbs. Gary Kubiak has shown he prefers to build in the trenches.

19. Philadelphia Eagles — DE Phillip Merling, Clemson (Jr.)
The Eagles could be a prime candidate to trade up and nab an offensive tackle, but after releasing Jevon Kearse and failing to reap returns on Darren Howard in free agency last year, they might continue to stack the line with versatile pass rushers the way their NFC East rival Giants have.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — WR-RS DeSean Jackson, California (Jr.)
Jackson is too small and injury-prone for many teams to consider in the first round, but his speed and return ability could easily fool a team into making him the first receiver drafted.

21. Washington Redskins — DE Calais Campbell, Miami (Fla.) (Jr.)
After hiring fiery former Miami (Fla.) DL coach John Palermo, under whom Campbell had his best season as a sophomore, the Redskins are a natural fit, especially given their need to create more pass-rush pressure.

22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland) — RB Felix Jones, Arkansas (Jr.)
Jerry Jones remains a candidate to package Marion Barber and a first-round pick this year and next in an effort to trade up to land Darren McFadden, who would give the Cowboys an exciting new set of triplets and help open his stadium in style. If he has to settle for keeping Barber and selecting the Hog back sharing his last name to replace the one that just left (Julius), his backfield could be more balanced.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers — OLG-OLT Branden Albert, Virginia (Jr.)
The Steelers were not able to keep Pro Bowl OLG Alan Faneca, but they could find another potential Pro Bowler by drafting his replacement in the first round.

24. Tennessee Titans — WR Limas Sweed, Texas
Sweed won some big games with Vince Young and has a built-in rapport that should allow him to acclimate to the offense more quickly than many other receivers.

25. Seattle Seahawks — OLT Sam Baker, USC
With Walter Jones turning 34 and Ray Willis having failed to pan out, the Seahawks need to think about keeping Matt Hasselbeck healthy.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars — MLB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma (Jr.)
Mike Peterson has struggled to stay healthy the past two seasons, and Jack Del Rio could use another tough-minded linebacker who can bring a swagger to the defense.

27. San Diego Chargers — SS Kenny Phillips, Miami (Fla.) (Jr.)
Marlon McCree has departed for the Broncos, and Clinton Hart was barely serviceable, leaving a void in the secondary alongside last year's second-rounder Eric Weddle. Like last year, if the Chargers want to find a starting safety, they are going to have to reach for one in a very average class.

28. Dallas Cowboys — WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma (Jr.)
Jerry Jones is intent on finding more playmakers for his franchise quarterback, and Kelly's size and secure hands make him a great fit in Jason Garrett's offense.

29. San Francisco 49ers (from Indianapolis) — WR-KR Devin Thomas, Michigan State (Jr.)
The Niners are devoid of playmakers and need to give fourth-year quarterback Alex Smith more weapons. Thomas could be used in many ways like a running back in Mike Martz's offense.

30. Green Bay Packers — CB-KR Mike Jenkins, South Florida
Jenkins has the man cover skills sought in the Packers' defense and would be drafted sooner if not for questions about his character. He could be worth a gamble in this spot by a confident decision-maker such as Ted Thompson.

(—) New England Patriots — Forfeited pick

31. New York Giants — CB Patrick Lee, Auburn
Despite drafting Aaron Ross a year ago, the Giants must continue to get younger in the secondary, and Lee provides the special-teams value as a gunner to contribute immediately and could make an impact in the slot.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on March 21, 2008, 12:00:23 PM
It gets better for Boston every day  ;D
A Texas 3 step sweep...
GO CELTICS

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080321
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on March 21, 2008, 01:38:27 PM
I'd be hoping Miami take Ryan with the first pick, leaving Chris Long for the Jets. He looks unreal and the Jets need someone to replace Vilma. Even if Miami take Long with the first pick, hopefully the Jets would get Gholston, who is also touted as a future star. Either way, should be a good draft for the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 03, 2008, 04:54:22 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball)


Good article on how one player if he is good enough can effect the entire ethos of a team for good..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 07, 2008, 04:31:33 PM
PFW's new mock draft

First round

1. Miami Dolphins
OT Jake Long, Michigan

It doesn't matter who the quarterback is if he doesn't have time to throw. With Long protecting the blind side, QB Josh McCown may not have to run for his life for the first time in his career. The time-tested, proven way to build a football team is in the trenches, and Bill Parcells knows that as well as anyone.

2. St. Louis Rams
DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU

The Rams' track record of drafting defensive tackles in the first round has been very suspect. However, the team's brain trust is wise enough not to let past mistakes cloud its judgment of a legitimate talent with great passion.

3. Atlanta Falcons
QB Matt Ryan, Boston College

If the Falcons are to put the past behind them, nothing could do it better than a new face of the franchise at the most important position. Ryan has all the tools to become great.

4. Oakland Raiders
DE Vernon Gholston*, Ohio State

The Raiders' ground game was not the problem last year, when they ranked sixth in the league in rushing. With Tyler Brayton (free agency) and Warren Sapp (retirement) gone, Tommy Kelly returning from a serious injury and a disgruntled Derrick Burgess having outplayed his contract, Gholston will provide the most help.

5. Kansas City Chiefs
RB Darren McFadden*, Arkansas

The Chiefs desperately want to trade down, but Carl Peterson has never shied away from the strategy of taking the best player overall. With the looming pressure to win immediately and Larry Johnson coming off injury, he may have to restrain himself from filling bigger needs at tackle and cornerback if forced to stay at the No. 5 slot.

6. New York Jets
RB Jonathan Stewart*, Oregon

Signing Calvin Pace filled a void at the OLB position. The Jets signed Alan Faneca and Damien Woody to establish a power-running game. All the offense lacks is a smashmouth back. After having surgery on his toe, Stewart is expected to be fully ready for training camp and could bring the blend of power and speed that's missing from the Jets' offense.

7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco)
OLB-DE Chris Long, Virginia

The Patriots have not drafted a linebacker in the first round since Bill Belichick came to New England, but Long's versatility will be too attractive to pass up. A strategist like Belichick could utilize him in many ways.

8. Baltimore Ravens
CB-RS Leodis McKelvin, Troy

Age and injuries have wounded the Ravens' secondary. McKelvin could step in from Day One and start.

9. Cincinnati Bengals
NT Sedrick Ellis, USC

The Bengals tried hard to acquire help inside via free agency but were not able to make a splash. Ellis could provide new defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer with scheme versatility, allowing him to move between the 3-4 and 4-3.

10. New Orleans Saints
CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State

His speed will be very attractive to a team with a major void at cornerback and a history of drafting speed. Small-school talent has paid big dividends for Sean Payton.

11. Buffalo Bills
WR Devin Thomas*, Michigan State

One-year wonders always pose some risk, but Thomas has playmaking ability that could open up the offense for Trent Edwards and complement Lee Evans very nicely.

12. Denver Broncos
OLT Ryan Clady*, Boise State

Clady's lack of upper-body strength, low Wonderlic score and questionable passion for the game could push him down the board, but strength is not as important as athletic ability in the Broncos' zone-blocking scheme.

13. Carolina Panthers
DRE Derrick Harvey*, Florida

With Mike Rucker likely in his final year in Carolina, Harvey could benefit from a year as Rucker's backup and see considerable action in rotational duty as a rookie.

14. Chicago Bears
ORT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh

Otah's powerful style suits the Bears' running game. His lack of foot speed could prevent him from being drafted higher.

15. Detroit Lions
RB Rashard Mendenhall*, Illinois

With a pressing need in the backfield following the release of Kevin Jones, Mendenhall could step into the starting lineup from Day One and be asked to shoulder the workload.

16. Arizona Cardinals
DE Phillip Merling*, Clemson

With no runner or cornerback worthy of the 16th pick, Merling could best help a pass rush that lost Calvin Pace, having shown the toughness to play through a sports hernia injury that he suffered during the second half of his junior season.

17. Minnesota Vikings
WR Mario Manningham*, Michigan

With Troy Williamson sent packing, Tarvaris Jackson needs a legitimate downfield threat to open up the offense. The Vikings have always been willing to overlook a wart or two in the character department in order to secure a great talent.

18. Houston Texans
OT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt

An excellent fit for Alex Gibbs' zone-blocking scheme, Williams' lack of strength and explosion could be concealed with all the leaning and cutting the Texans' line is asked to do.

19. Philadelphia Eagles
OT-OG Branden Albert*, Virginia

With versatility to help inside or outside, Albert could be very attractive to an Eagles brain trust that may be looking to move up to land a tackle.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
WR Limas Sweed, Texas

Jon Gruden's offense could receive a spark from a big, strong, acrobatic receiver like Sweed.

21. Washington Redskins
DE Calais Campbell*, Miami (Fla.)

New DL coach John Palermo has proven he could get the most out of Campbell and should be able to get him to cut some weight to regain the burst he showed as a sophomore when Palermo coached him in Coral Gables.

22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland)
RB Felix Jones*, Arkansas

With Marion Barber in tow, Jones could be a very good complement and make a big contribution in the return game.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers
OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College

Cherilus possesses the power and strength that defines the Steelers' ground game. With Marvel Smith struggling to stay healthy, Cherilus could easily be pressed into duty early.

24. Tennessee Titans
WR Malcolm Kelly*, Oklahoma

Questions about the health of Kelly's knees and a lack of speed may keep him from getting drafted sooner. Vince Young could take major strides with a sure-handed, big target whom he could trust to attack the many jump balls he tosses.

25. Seattle Seahawks
OLT Sam Baker, USC

The Seahawks need to begin thinking about replacing Walter Jones. Giving his replacement some time to learn from one of the game's greats could pay big dividends down the line.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars
DE Lawrence Jackson, USC

With Jack Del Rio exerting more influence in the draft room, a former Trojan like himself could help upgrade an aging pass rush in need of help off the edges.

27. San Diego Chargers
NT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina

Balmer could be a few years away from contributing, which is acceptable on a very talented roster. His overall strength makes him ideally suited to play in a 3-4 front.

28. Dallas Cowboys
CB-PR Aqib Talib*, Kansas

A Pacman Jones experiment may or may not work out, and Talib could bring a similar swagger and much more size to the secondary to help match up with the likes of Plaxico Burress.

29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis)
LB Keith Rivers, USC

The lack of need at the LB position could keep Rivers from being drafted sooner and work out very favorably for the Niners. Rivers' versatility could be a plus in San Francisco.

30. Green Bay Packers
TE Martellus Bennett*, Texas A&M

With the Packers having released Bubba Franks and in need of a blocking tight end who could also pose matchup problems in the passing game, Bennett could help ease the transition of Aaron Rodgers in his first year as the starting quarterback.

31. New England Patriots

Forfeited pick

32. New York Giants
CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida

Despite drafting Aaron Ross in the first round last year, the Giants need more depth in the secondary, and Tom Coughlin has gotten the most out of players who don't like to practice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 07, 2008, 05:40:59 PM
Quote from: GY Joe on April 03, 2008, 04:54:22 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-klosterman.html?ref=basketball)


Good article on how one player if he is good enough can effect the entire ethos of a team for good..

Could someone post Tom Humphs article on Len Bias' death on the board. That knocked the Celtic nation back years. Tom if your looking in, can you score tickets for the playoff's seeing as I gave you an idea for an article...!

Keep up the good work. No doubt the story of the season will be the Boston Celtics this year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 14, 2008, 10:57:41 AM


http://www.nba.com/aroundtheassociation/newlookceltics_atareview.html (http://www.nba.com/aroundtheassociation/newlookceltics_atareview.html)

The big 3 and the changes that they have wrought on the Celtics this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 15, 2008, 03:48:19 PM
New mock draft

1. Miami Dolphins — OLT Jake Long, Michigan
The safest pick in the draft, the Dolphins will not go wrong with the behemoth from Michigan.

2. St. Louis Rams — DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
With rookie DTs Clifton Ryan and Adam Carriker performing well last season, the Rams have a bigger need at defensive end. Vernon Gholston could prove to be the best fit and the biggest difference maker, but he may not be as ready from Day One as Chris Long. The Rams are still doing their homework, with the Dolphins breaking their hearts by pursuing Jake Long. All that appears certain is that St. Louis will draft a defensive lineman. However, until the Rams' doctors get a closer look at Dorsey in his upcoming two-day visit at the facility, a decision will not be made. Dorsey currently carries the most interest from the Rams' brass, but with Carriker having finished the season at the three-technique position, Rams coaches need to figure out a plan before proceeding. Adding Dorsey could create a glut inside and leave the edges devoid of speed. Vernon Gholston could make a late run.

3. Atlanta Falcons — QB Matt Ryan, Boston College
With Long and Dorsey off the board, the decision becomes easy for new Falcons bossman Thomas Dimitroff. He may just have to package a pick or two to get back into the first round to make sure he can land more protection for his future franchise quarterback.

4. Oakland Raiders — RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas*
Al Davis cannot help himself, and he could be faced with a bit of a dilemma if Vernon Gholston remains on the board. However, with character not being a factor in his decision, the Raiders' owner will side with the big-play weapon who will put fans in the seats, best help the enormous investment he made in JaMarcus Russell and make the most immediate impact.

5. Kansas City Chiefs — DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State*
This pick may not make a lot of sense on the surface, but with the Chiefs involved in trade talks, do not be surprised if they add the draft's most physically impressive specimen to their defensive line. Despite a more pressing need at cornerback, Herm Edwards is a defensive-minded coach who knows championships are won with a fierce pass rush.

6. New York Jets — OLB Chris Long, Virginia
Drafting a projection in the top 10 is a risky proposition, regardless of how safe of a pick Chris Long would appear to be. After the Jets blocked the Dolphins from signing ex-Cardinals free-agent OLB Calvin Pace, Long could finally give the Jets the pieces they have lacked in the 3-4 front to bring pressure on defense. Al Groh's recommendation should carry a lot of weight in New York, and Long's versatility is a big plus. Nonetheless, it could be very difficult to pass on a power back like Jonathan Stewart, especially with McFadden already off the board.

7. New England Patriots (from San Francisco) — DE Derrick Harvey, Florida*
Harvey is a power pass rusher with enough of a frame to beef up and bolster the Patriots' defensive line. He looked much more impressive at his pro day than he did at the Combine in LB drills. The big question facing the Patriots is whether Harvey is smart enough to handle learning a new game plan every week.

8. Baltimore Ravens — CB Leodis McKelvin, Troy
The Ravens are a prime candidate to trade down, but if forced to stay put, the draft's top cornerback will be too difficult to pass up.

9. Cincinnati Bengals — DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
Being able to acquire Jets DT Dewayne Robertson could still change the Bengals' outlook, but it appears unlikely at this point, and Ellis provides the youth needed in the middle.

10. New Orleans Saints — RB Jonathan Stewart, Oregon*
GM Mickey Loomis graduated from Oregon and is well aware of Stewart's rare talent. The Saints did not get the production out of the backfield that Loomis had hoped from Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush, and McAllister could easily be sent packing. Loomis has shown in the past, when he was part of the regime that drafted McAllister in the first round while Ricky Williams was on the roster, how much the Saints value the RB position. Sean Payton believes in drafting value, and that could make it difficult to pass Stewart at this spot.

11. Buffalo Bills — WR Devin Thomas, Michigan State*
Thomas' one year of production makes teams nervous about drafting him too high. However, the Bills need to find a complement for Lee Evans and another target to support the growth of Trent Edwards. Thomas, at this point, could look better than any of the cornerbacks.

12. Denver Broncos — OLT Chris Williams, Vanderbilt
With Jay Cutler having played with Chris Williams for two years at Vanderbilt and Mike Shanahan wanting to protect his investment in Cutler, Williams could climb ahead of Ryan Clady in the draft order.

13. Carolina Panthers — OLT-OG Branden Albert, Virginia*
Albert is smart, explosive and versatile and could step into the starting lineup immediately at left tackle, upgrade the offensive line and swap spots with Travelle Wharton if he struggles initially.

14. Chicago Bears — OLT Ryan Clady, Boise State*
The Bears have a glaring need on the offensive line and will have to consider their options between Jeff Otah and Ryan Clady if Clady slides. Otah better fits the Bears' power running game.

15. Detroit Lions — LB Jerod Mayo, Tennessee*
To make the Tampa-2 defense go, a linebacker with great range is critical, and Mayo could add the Derrick Brooks element to the Lions' "D."

16. Arizona Cardinals — RB Rashad Mendenhall, Illinois*
After questionably passing on Adrian Peterson a year ago, the Cardinals need to find a young back to replace the aging Edgerrin James, and Mendenhall looks more attractive at this point than the best cornerback.

17. Minnesota Vikings — OT Jeff Otah, Pittsburgh
With Bryant McKinnie facing legal trouble and the ORT position having been an area of weakness, Otah could step in immediately and add an element of power to pave more holes for the NFL's most exciting runner.

18. Houston Texans — CB Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
With a run having taken place on offensive tackles, the Texans will be forced to look at their need at cornerback, where they struggled to stay healthy a year ago.

19. Philadelphia Eagles — WR Limas Sweed, Texas
A prime candidate to trade up and secure a left tackle of the future, the Eagles also need to find more playmakers for Donovan McNabb, and Sweed's combination of size, work habits and big-play ability could be very attractive at this spot, especially with Jon Gruden drafting next and facing a very similar predicament with a very similar West Coast offense.

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — CB Mike Jenkins, South Florida
The Buccaneers are looking to be more creative on defense and need a cornerback who can man-cover. Gruden and Bruce Allen have shown they will sacrifice character for elite talent.

21. Washington Redskins — DE Phillip Merling, Clemson*
Merling has the size and motor desired in the Redskins' defense and could be more attractive than the slow-footed Calais Campbell at this point.

22. Dallas Cowboys (from Cleveland) — RB Felix Jones, Arkansas*
Jerry Jones' mission is to support the growth of his quarterback, and Felix Jones should definitely take some pressure off Romo. Despite not having been featured as a pass catcher, Jones catches the ball very well.

23. Pittsburgh Steelers — OT Gosder Cherilus, Boston College
The Steelers have always been and will continue to be a smashmouth blocking team, and Cherilus fits very well with what they want to establish.

24. Tennessee Titans — DT Kentwan Balmer, North Carolina
Any general manager who gives Albert Haynesworth a multiyear megadeal is asking to be fired, and the Titans have to be prepared to replace the mercurial defensive tackle. DL coach Jim Washburn has shown he can get the most out of underachievers.

25. Seattle Seahawks — TE Dustin Keller, Purdue
Keller could become a playmaking weapon in Mike Holmgren's spread offense, capable of lining up in the slot and making plays all over the field.

26. Jacksonville Jaguars — DE Calais Campbell, Miami (Fla.)*
Jack Del Rio has been successful with big men who do not always test the greatest. Campbell's upside will keep teams interested late in the first round.

27. San Diego Chargers — LB Keith Rivers, USC
The Chargers are not likely to remain in this position and could deal the pick to a team looking to move up to land a quarterback or offensive tackle. Not having picks in the next three rounds, they could be best-served moving down. However, if they stay put, they will recognize Rivers' value and not hesitate to pull the trigger.

28. Dallas Cowboys — CB Aqib Talib, Kansas*
Jerry Jones has shown he is willing to give second and third chances to troubled players, and Talib's size, swagger and athletic ability will be attractive to the owner, as could his ability to dabble on offense.

29. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) — ILB Curtis Lofton, Oklahoma*
Pairing Lofton with Patrick Willis could secure the middle of the Niners' defense and give them one of the best LB groups in the NFL at a position that could not be more important in a 3-4 front.

30. Green Bay Packers — OG-OT Sam Baker, USC
Baker could step in at guard from Day One a la the Patriots' Logan Mankins, fill a pressing need and be groomed to take over on the edge, although his lack of arm length could make him best-suited inside.

— New England Patriots — Pick forfeited.

31. New York Giants — CB Brandon Flowers, Virginia Tech*
Most teams were disappointed at the Combine when Flowers ran poorly. The Giants, holding the last pick in the first round, will be more pleased that a good football player is falling to them.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 16, 2008, 01:11:02 PM
IAFL Update

2008 SCHEDULE

Week     Date            Away Team                       @            Home Team                K.O.

0           March 16th   Univ. of Limerick Vikings       @            D.C.U. Saints               1pm

1           March 30th   Belfast Bulls                        @            Cork Admirals               2pm
                              Dublin Rebels                      @            Belfast Trojans             2pm
                              Carrickfergus Knights            @            D.C.U. Saints               2pm

2           April 6th       Belfast Trojans                    @            Univ.Limerick Vikings     2pm
                              Dublin Rhinos                       @           Carrickfergus Knights     2pm
                              Tallaght Outlaws                  @           Cork Admirals                2pm

3           April 13th      Univ.Limerick Vikings            @           Belfast Bulls                  2pm
                               Dublin Rebels                      @           Dublin Rhinos                2pm
                               D.C.U. Saints                      @           Tallaght Outlaws           2pm

4           April 20th      Cork Admirals                      @           Dublin Rebels                2pm
                               Belfast Bulls                        @           Belfast Trojans              2pm

5           April 27th      Dublin Rhinos                      @           D.C.U. Saints                2pm
                               Belfast Trojans                    @           Carrickfergus Knights      2pm
                               Tallaght Outlaws                 @           Univ.Limerick Vikings      2pm

6           May 4th         D.C.U. Saints                     @           Dublin Rebels                 2pm
                                Cork Admirals                     @          Univ. Limerick Vikings       2pm
                                Carrickfergus Knights           @          Belfast Bulls                   2pm

7           May 11th       Tallaght Outlaws                 @           Dublin Rhinos                2pm
                                Belfast Trojans                   @           Belfast Bulls                  2pm

8           May 18th        Cork Admirals                     @         Tallaght Outlaws             2pm
                                 Dublin Rhinos                    @           Dublin Rebels                2pm
                                 Carrickfergus Knights          @          Belfast Trojans               2pm

9           May 25th        Univ. Limerick Vikings          @          Cork Admirals                  2pm
                                Dublin Rebels                      @          D.C.U. Saints                 2pm
                                 Belfast Bulls                       @          Carrickfergus Knights       2pm

10         June 1st          Univ. Limerick Vikings          @          Tallaght Outlaws            2pm
                                 Endicott College (NY)         @           IAFL North                    2pm

11         June 8th          D.C.U. Saints                     @          Dublin Rhinos                 2pm

12         June 15th        Cork Admirals                    @           Carrickfergus Knights       2pm
                                  Belfast Bulls                      @           Dublin Rebels                 2pm
                                  Belfast Trojans                  @           Dublin Rhinos                 2pm

13         June 22nd        Tallaght Outlaws               @            Belfast Trojans              2pm
                                  Dublin Rebels                    @            Univ. Limerick Vikings     2pm

14          June 29th        Dublin Rhinos                   @            Cork Admirals                 2pm
                                  Carrickfergus Knights         @            Tallaght Outlaws             2pm
                                  D.C.U. Saints                    @            Belfast Bulls                   2pm

             July 6th                                           Bye week
 
 
             July 13th                                         Bye week
 
WC         July 20th          Wildcard #2                    v             Wildcard #1                  2pm

SEMI        July 27th         Division Winner #3            @           Division Winner #2           2pm
                                    Wildcard Winner              @            Division Winner #1          2pm

             August 3rd                                     Bye Week

FINAL      August 10th                         SHAMROCK BOWL XXII             Venue TBA        2pm


QuoteThe Irish American Football League (IAFL) has now published its league fixtures for 2008. Nine teams from various parts of the country will compete for the Shamrock Bowl. The regular season will start on 16th March 2008 when defending Champions, Univ. of Limerick Vikings visit the Dublin City Univ. Saints. This game will also serve as the 2008 College Championship game. The regular season will finish in late June with the top 5 teams advancing to the play-offs which will take place during July. Shamrock Bowl XXII, the National Championship game, will take place on Sunday 10th August 2008.

The IAFL has retained its divisional structure. Each team will play 8 regular season games - 4 games within their division and 4 games against teams in other divisions. For the first time ever, the IAFL has introduced a scheduling formula which, like the NFL, grades the strength of schedule for each team according to their league positions in the previous season. The Divisional line-up for 2008 is as follows:

IAFL North:
Belfast Bulls, Belfast Trojans, Carrickfergus Knights.

IAFL Central:
Dublin Rebels, DCU Saints, Dublin Rhinos.

IAFL South:
Univ. of Limerick Vikings, Cork Admirals, Tallaght Outlaws.



QuoteNEW DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE.

The IAFL has started up a new development league for 2008. This league, called the DV-8s league will be used to assist new formed teams in getting kitted football experience before entering the main IAFL league and also to allow existing teams to field "B" teams of mainly rookie players to help get them experience. Whereas American football is usually played with 11 players on the field at any time, the DV-8s league will have only 8 players on the field at any time – not unlike Arena football in the USA. This means that new teams with smaller squads who are not strong enough to compete in the main league can play in the DV-8s league as a squad size of c.20 players would be sufficient to be competitive. There are also some other rule changes to facilitate the development of new players including a rule which states that each team must have a minimum of 5 players with less than 2 years experience on the field at any time. Like the main IAFL league, the DV-8s league will be full kitted, full contact adult American football. The schedule for the DV-8s league will be released early in 2008. The participants include 3 teams new to the IAFL, 1 team which has dropped down from full IAFL level and 2 "B" teams. All of the new teams are expected to step up to full IAFL level within 2 years.

DV-8s Line-up:

Craigavon Cowboys
Edenderry Soldiers
Trinity College Thunderbolts
Dublin Dragons
Cork Admirals "B" team.
Dublin Rebels "B" team.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 18, 2008, 09:53:48 PM
Great coverage on Espn.com of the draft, past and present. Below is a link to the top 50 Busts, there is also a section on the top 50 Steals. Ryan Leaf & Tom Brady top the respective lists unsurprisingly.........

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3325687
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 19, 2008, 05:21:22 AM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 19, 2008, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 19, 2008, 05:21:22 AM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town

At least Thomas is out now, thats a start in the right direction. If they can get Derrick Rose in the draft and try and learn to defend they may have some chance of making the playoffs as the east isnt the strongest right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 23, 2008, 05:31:17 AM
Jake Long signs with Miami as the #1 pick,  58 million deal- not bad just out of college.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on April 23, 2008, 05:40:59 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 23, 2008, 05:31:17 AM
Jake Long signs with Miami as the #1 pick,  58 million deal- not bad just out of college.

I thought the draft wasn't until Saturday?

I hope the falcons don't take Ryan, hope they take Dorsey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2008, 03:05:59 PM
The Phins just declared that they would pick Jake Long, I dont know why they would so early but its up to them. I think they should have traded down. $58m is a lot for some one who has yet to snap a ball in the NFL. Apparently he is already the highest paid O-Lineman in the NFL by getting picked #1 overall. I think the #1 pick is a bit of a poison chalice, JaMarcus Russell is on the same money as LaDanian Tomlinson, how is that right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2008, 03:10:22 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 24, 2008, 03:05:59 PM
The Phins just declared that they would pick Jake Long, I dont know why they would so early but its up to them. I think they should have traded down. $58m is a lot for some one who has yet to snap a ball in the NFL. Apparently he is already the highest paid O-Lineman in the NFL by getting picked #1 overall. I think the #1 pick is a bit of a poison chalice, JaMarcus Russell is on the same money as LaDanian Tomlinson, how is that right?

They didnt trade down because nobody wanted to trade up for two reasons, the money involved for a #1 pick and there is no "cant miss" player in this draft. It is viewed as quite a thin draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on April 24, 2008, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 19, 2008, 05:21:22 AM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town

The word is the new GM from Indiana will lookat Tom Thibideau who is with Boston this year. I know they got Garnett who has just been named defensive POY but the difference in defence since last year has been astounding.

Its looking more and more like a Celtics v Lakers final...


http://www.nba.com/playoffs2008/index.html (http://www.nba.com/playoffs2008/index.html)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 24, 2008, 04:18:52 PM
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the baseball season is getting into full stride. The Dbacks are going well in the NL west, and Brandon Webb is already a 5 game winner as they have a 6 game lead. If they can keep going it will be another good season for them


American League
American League East
Boston            15    8
Baltimore    12    9
New York      12     10
Tampa Bay    10      11
Toronto        10     12

AL Central
Chicago    11    9
Minnesota      10     11
Kansas City    9    11
Detroit    9    13
Cleveland    8    12

AL West
Los Angeles    13    9
Oakland    13    9
Seattle    11    11
Texas    7    15    

National League
National League East
Florida    13    8
New York    11    9
Philadelphia    11    11
Atlanta    10    11
Washington    6    16

AL Central
Chicago    15    6
Milwaukee    13    8
St. Louis    13    9    
Houston    10    12    
Pittsburgh    9    12    
Cincinnati    9    13    

AL West
Arizona    15    6
Colorado    9    12
Los Angeles    9    12
San Diego    9    13
San Francisco    9    13
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 24, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Cubs get their 10,000 win against the Rockies- only second team in history to do it. Now a world series to go with the 100 year void.

White Sox and Cubs leading their divisions, crosstown world series would be incredible.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 24, 2008, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 24, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Cubs get their 10,000 win against the Rockies- only second team in history to do it. Now a world series to go with the 100 year void.

White Sox and Cubs leading their divisions, crosstown world series would be incredible.



hate the cubbies, love the sox.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 24, 2008, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 19, 2008, 03:52:14 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 19, 2008, 05:21:22 AM
Is there any hope for the knicks next year? at least there's a new coach coming to town

At least Thomas is out now, thats a start in the right direction. If they can get Derrick Rose in the draft and try and learn to defend they may have some chance of making the playoffs as the east isnt the strongest right now.

The Knicks might be able to finish seventh or eight in the east, they would probably get bounced right away though.

The Celtics will dominate the east for the next three years or so if they keep Ray Allen and KG and PP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2008, 03:21:02 PM
Nfl Draft live tonight on Sky Sports 3 at 8pm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 26, 2008, 03:23:44 PM
thats what I plan watching all day today!! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 26, 2008, 07:45:59 PM
this weekends USA today has a good article on the nfl draft if anyone in ireland wants to get a grip on it..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 26, 2008, 08:35:06 PM
Any link to watch it live?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 26, 2008, 08:35:06 PM
Any link to watch it live?

www.nfl.com/draft/live
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2008, 08:51:55 PM
So far

Dolphins - Jake Long
Rams - Chris Long
Falcons - Matt Ryan
Raiders - Darren McFadden
Chiefs - Glenn Dorsey
Jets - Vernon Gholston

Patriots just traded down to the Saints

Saints pick Sedrick Ellis
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Cant believe the Falcons took Matt Ryan, they have no O line to keep him off his arse and nobody to throw the ball too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2008, 09:28:25 PM
Jaguars - Derrick Harvey
Bengals - Keith Rivers
Patriots - Jerod Mayo
Bills - Leodis McKelvin
Broncos - Ryan Clady
Panthers - Jonathan Stewart
Bears - Chris Williams

Lions trade down to Chiefs

Chiefs pick Branden Albert
Cardinals - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Lions - Gosder Cherilus
Ravens - Joe Flacco
Panthers - Jeff Otah
Buccaneers - Aqib Talib
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 27, 2008, 08:45:37 AM
Lads,

i've a question.

The lads on the tv said last night that a right tackle typically earns more cash then a left tackle. Why is this? Surely they are just big lads shoving lads about?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 27, 2008, 10:41:44 AM
Well the left tackle usually protects the QB's blind side from the defensive ends, so would the left tackle not be more valuable?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
Aye Claw i think thats what he meant,the right tackle would only be more important if the QB was left handed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 28, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
That was it - that makes some sense too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 28, 2008, 10:33:41 AM
All because of Lawrence Taylor, actually reading a book called The Blind Side which is about this exact topic. its a good read even for those not into Gridiron
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 16, 2008, 02:51:35 PM
Brandon Webb is killing guys right now - he's 9-0 and it's still May
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 16, 2008, 03:48:39 PM
He's really stepped up to the mark these past few years in fairness. If he can stay healthy, he could drive the Dbacks to another West title at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2008, 03:12:51 PM
Matt Ryan signs a $72 million dollar 6-year deal with the Dirty Birds

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_3591406,00.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 21, 2008, 07:32:16 PM
Chicago have the nmber one pick in the NBA draft!

With all the young talent on their roster, if Pax makes the right moves and the Bulls can pick up a good coach the future is seriously bright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on May 21, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2008, 03:12:51 PM
Matt Ryan signs a $72 million dollar 6-year deal with the Dirty Birds

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_3591406,00.html

Hes battling Redman and Joey for the starter spot, anyone think he will be under centre week 1?
Not too many high QB picks start as rookies,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 22, 2008, 03:20:14 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on May 21, 2008, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2008, 03:12:51 PM
Matt Ryan signs a $72 million dollar 6-year deal with the Dirty Birds

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12118_3591406,00.html

Hes battling Redman and Joey for the starter spot, anyone think he will be under centre week 1?
Not too many high QB picks start as rookies,

the falcons will be running alot this year with turner (LT's backup from SD), so I can't see him starting week1 more likely week 6-8.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on May 22, 2008, 12:08:51 PM
They say the money Ryan is on is more than Tom Brady and on a Par with Peyton Manning. If I was Brady I'd stroll into the Chairmans office with my three rings and several MVP awards and ask how this dude who has never played a game gets more money than him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2008, 12:14:09 PM
It's unreal for a rookie straight out of college to get that sort of money alright, especially in a salary cap environment. You'd pick up a few decent receivers or running backs, with a couple of years experience, for that money.

Still that's the way these rookie deals are going these days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 22, 2008, 02:21:41 PM
That is always the way with rookie deals, if the #3 pick in 2007 got $50 mill then the #3 pick in '08 is going to get more. It is also a reason why a lot of teams are becoming more interested in trading down in the draft due to the money involved and the fact the player has never played a down. Prime example - Ryan Leaf.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2008, 04:10:24 PM
By the way, the lottery for the rest of us schmucks (unlike Deel Rover) for tickets for the Chargers - Saints game is on today. Best of luck. If you get spares, and I don't remember me :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2008, 04:11:21 PM
FCUK ME!! That was weird. Just as I typed my previous post, my outlook flashed up an inbox, and lookee here :D

Congratulations! Buy Tickets for NFL International Series 2008!

Dear NFL fan

Ticketing PIN Code: ########

Congratulations! You have been selected from a random lottery to be among the first fans able to purchase tickets for the 2008 International Series game at Wembley Stadium on Sunday October 26th between the New Orleans Saints and San Diego Chargers.

You will be able to purchase up to a maximum of four tickets for this game which features two of the NFL's most exciting teams going head to head on UK turf.

The sale will take place on Thursday May 29th, starting at 10:00 a.m. Tickets will be available for up to 72 hours from that time. Tickets will be available on a first-come, first-served basis. There will be more applicants than seats available, so please purchase early to avoid disappointment. Last year in the opening sale 40,000 tickets went in less than 90 minutes, so please be prompt to avoid disappointment.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Lone Shark on May 22, 2008, 04:59:39 PM
Mise freisin. Bring it on. We might even get more than 23 points this time!!

;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 22, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
Today I managed to snag 8 tickets - 13 rows from the field on the 30 yard line for the Bills vs the Chargers on the weekend after my birthday.

The week before the London game

Happy Days!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on May 22, 2008, 10:04:09 PM
I wasnt so lucky, any spares?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 12:22:01 AM
More tickets on sale tomorrow(thursday) at 10am, dont forget unlike someone last year who I know who forget to get out of bed to book tickets, lucky
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on May 29, 2008, 10:09:07 AM
In a queue last 10 mins.. anyone get them yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:12:16 AM
I got my 4..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 29, 2008, 10:12:31 AM
got some rossie, yep
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:17:39 AM
Got 4 tickets, £70, prices gone up on last year. Rejected my credit card 4 times, I was shitting myself. but its done now, phew.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 29, 2008, 10:19:16 AM
hi juice, they must have sold out on the cheapy ones before you got in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:19:54 AM
I took the £55 pound option because I realised last year that there was no bad seat in Wembley..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on May 29, 2008, 10:22:41 AM
Good stuff got them..
2nd tier 206-208. In the corner but ideal to see Colston catch one at back on endzone..  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:24:15 AM
the seats I paid £65 for last year are now £80

(http://www.nfluk.com/imagefolder/medium/Results/Wembley%20Seating%20Plan%202008.jpg)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on May 29, 2008, 10:25:50 AM
Actually in section 109.. Wheres everyone else?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
Yeah, I had them seats last year (117) I'm in 507 this year :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 29, 2008, 10:27:14 AM
jasus, that's interesting juice. i think the 55 euro sterling ones were 55 last year aswell.

is everyone doing the box office collection!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 29, 2008, 10:29:15 AM
I wont be going this year as i am for Turkey in August and All Ireland Hurling final in September, i didnt get picked in this lottery but if i get the chance to get any in the future sales i will let anyone have them that is unsuccessful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:30:50 AM
I'm doing box office anyway. I got out very early last year, collected the tickets, and then went up to the Green Man for pints. I hope it's not as wet this year, because the plan will be the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:32:34 AM
Im in 527 just over Mid-field, sweet! Getting mine delivered to the house.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2008, 10:34:36 AM
nice one juice. To be honest, I thought the views from most vantage points at Wembley were excellent. It's smaller in side than you think, and doesn't tower for miles up, so I'd say everyone should have a fairly good view.

Looking forward to it already. Anyone heading for the Green Man? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 10:39:55 AM
I have so much going on before hand I cant even think about it now, I have Bruce Springsteen in Cardiff in 2 weeks, Iron Maiden in Twickenham in July and Wacken Festival in Germany to sort out first, but when it rolls around I'll be ecstatic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 29, 2008, 04:01:56 PM
Apparently tickets were gone after 90 minutes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 02:02:26 PM
That was some hockey game last night - in fact it was the best hockey game I've seen since I moved here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 03, 2008, 02:46:27 PM
Hmmmpppffff   Hockey...


heh heh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 02:47:07 PM
How are things down in the cellar there ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 03, 2008, 03:15:16 PM
I am still willfully ignoring sports that think its a good idea to go into situations where the temperature is below freezing in order to "play". Snowballs is as close as I get, or sliding down a hill at a farm on a fertilizer bag stuffed with hay...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
I meant the Yankees  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 04, 2008, 06:00:11 PM
So - that Joba kid?  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 04, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
what about them celtics! cant wait for tomorrow night and it all gets started. of all championships to win the nba must be one of the hardest and to think that boston once won 8 in a row. amazing achivement...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 04, 2008, 10:11:04 PM
Gab ,
those yankees huh? 2 and a third isn't really what we were hoping for from the kid at our house, but then what can you do? Makes a change looking up at your coat tails....
HB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 04, 2008, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on June 04, 2008, 07:38:26 PM
what about them celtics! cant wait for tomorrow night and it all gets started. of all championships to win the nba must be one of the hardest and to think that boston once won 8 in a row. amazing achivement...

Should be a great series - personally Im rooting for the lakers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2008, 03:18:46 PM
Well Done to the Red Wings
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 05, 2008, 03:48:38 PM
What channels are the Celtics v Lakers on tonight?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
Channel 5
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 05, 2008, 09:19:08 PM
fcek dont have channel 5, any other station have it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2008, 09:39:44 PM
check here

http://www.channelsurfing.net/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 05, 2008, 09:51:48 PM
thanks gab, i'll try that...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 06, 2008, 06:27:17 AM
Go Celtics  98 - 88
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 06, 2008, 09:55:32 AM
Great win for the Celtics last night.  Thought Pierce's reappearance was quite a 'Larry Bird' moment and it really lifted the team.  Think they really need to win on Sunday.  Going to LA for 3 games at 1-1 would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 06, 2008, 02:05:01 PM
that "injury" was a bit dubious if you ask me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 06, 2008, 02:26:30 PM
Hey, whatever works ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 08, 2008, 06:04:30 PM
Anyone up for a NFL fantasy league on NFL.com for 2008?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 08, 2008, 09:32:35 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 08, 2008, 06:04:30 PM
Anyone up for a NFL fantasy league on NFL.com for 2008?

yeah boy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 09, 2008, 10:59:02 AM
Phew, talk about throwing away a lead.  The Celtics nearly blew it last night, but got that all important win.  Now if they can win one in LA, it will give them 2 chances to wrap it up at home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 09, 2008, 01:44:01 PM
mc_grens

there has been a yahoo league on the board now for the last 3/4 years. If you're suggesting this one in addition to the other then I'm up for it, but you're a little bit early...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 09, 2008, 09:12:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3433557

Strahan hangs 'em up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 09, 2008, 09:14:38 PM
I just wanted to find out if anyone was up for one. If its OK and there's room I'll join the Yahoo one when the time comes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: blast05 on June 10, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
Quotefcek dont have channel 5, any other station have it?

nba.com are showing the finals live in a small few backwards little countries where no TV network is covering the games - like Angola, Turkmenistan, Liberia  ..... oh and Ireland. The game can be watched in full for up to 24 hours after.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 10, 2008, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: blast05 on June 10, 2008, 12:34:50 PM
Quotefcek dont have channel 5, any other station have it?

nba.com are showing the finals live in a small few backwards little countries where no TV network is covering the games - like Angola, Turkmenistan, Liberia  ..... oh and Ireland. The game can be watched in full for up to 24 hours after.

ha ha saw that alright! fair play to the nba tho..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 11, 2008, 12:37:14 AM
yeah, hardly surprised Strahan has retired, I guess you cant quit at a better time than after the Superbowl and after giving on of your best perfomances in that game. He finished with over 140 sacks which is really impressive. one of my favourite players in the league. Great character. He'll have a spot on TV if he wants it. Was watching Total Access tonight and they had highlights from himself an Warren Sapp's piece. Sapp criticised Strahan when he broke the single season record because Brett Favre supposedly gave it to him buy calling a roll-out in the 4th qtr with less than 2mins on the clock and up by 17points.
Funnily enough Favre, Sapp and Strahan may all be inducted in the Hall of Fame together in 2013.

(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/06/10/alg_strahan.jpg)

(http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-10/19773811.jpg)

(http://bengals.enquirer.com/2002/01/10/nfl_zoom.jpg)

(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1014/nfl_g_strahan_350.jpg)

(http://www.blue22.net/galleries/pics/nyg_michael_strahan_01.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 12, 2008, 11:23:08 AM
I see the Lakers pulled one back.  According to reports, Kobe was on fire.  Boston still 2 - 1 up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on June 13, 2008, 10:02:08 AM
What a come back by the Celts last night.  Was ready to turn off after the first quarter, but they really turned it around.  Looks like number 17 is in the bag.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 13, 2008, 10:10:20 AM
Unreal, they were down 24 at one stage.  Classic stuff.  The last 3 games between the 2 teams have ended in 6point victories.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 16, 2008, 01:14:20 AM
what about them celtics! can they do it tonight....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on June 16, 2008, 08:44:30 AM
No!  They lost. 103-98.  Series is heading back to Boston for game 6 on Tuesday.  Still 3 - 2 up.  Would hate to see Celtics loose it at home  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 17, 2008, 05:44:12 PM
Reggie Bush & LaDainian Tomlinson will be in Wembley tomorrow to promote Octobers game if anyones knocking about that way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 18, 2008, 04:42:44 AM
Celtics are back- 118 -84 up with 3 minutes left in the game. Crowd in the garden is mental. The prty is breaking out already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 18, 2008, 04:58:15 AM
all over in Boston,
Celtics take the championship with a blowout 39 point win final score Boston 131 LA 92. Pierce Allen and Garnett all massive in the final game, Kobe couldn't do it on his own and got no help from the rest of the Lakers who had their heads down after the first quarter. Between these 2 teams they have more than half of the 62 NBA championships, unbelievabe record when you think about it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 18, 2008, 06:04:53 AM
Go celtics - Great stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 26, 2008, 07:26:07 PM
i see shaq's gone and caused a stir for his 'rap' at kobie in a ny disco

http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1626146951



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 27, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
I read a headline from the Arizona Republic saying that Sherrif Arpiro (of pink inmate's jumpsuit fame) has removed Shaq as an honorary deputy or something. Diesel just got put off the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on June 27, 2008, 11:27:47 AM
NFL London flights and tickets sorted!!!!!


LT!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 27, 2008, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 27, 2008, 10:02:10 AM
I read a headline from the Arizona Republic saying that Sherrif Arpiro (of pink inmate's jumpsuit fame) has removed Shaq as an honorary deputy or something. Diesel just got put off the road.

he got the boot for using the n word in the above video...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 13, 2008, 08:25:36 PM
Brett! Stay retired please!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on July 14, 2008, 01:59:22 PM
At least he is not going back to the Packers Juice, he would have put them in an awful situation if he did. Where do you reckon he'll go, Ravens?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 14, 2008, 03:10:06 PM
Could be or the Vikings, They are contenders for the Superbowl and Im not sure if Tarvaris Jackson is ready. Having Brett there to step in and lead the way might be no harm. Also its his best chance of finsihing his career with a 2nd Super-bowl ring. But to be honest I think he should stay retired. I cant see him winning the big one really
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2008, 09:18:29 AM
Did anyone see the Home Run Derby the other night. Josh Hamilton gave some exhibition of the long ball. 28 or 29 in the first round! unbelieveable. It was so predictable he'd run out of steam in the final though, especially with a 71 year old pitching to him :D That poor auld lad threw more pitches than a starting pitcher in some complete games :D

Justin Morneau won it in the end, 5-3 in the final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 16, 2008, 03:00:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on July 13, 2008, 08:25:36 PM
Brett! Stay retired please!

Agree Juice, i just hope we dont have to go through another tearful farewell news conference. He went out on a relative high in having a great season personally, not many athletes have the wit to leave on their own terms. The whole charade is also unfair on Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2008, 03:51:31 PM
Why don't the Packers just let him go to somewhere else? Fair enough if they feel Rodgers is the future, but surely they could cut him, or trade him for peanuts?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 16, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
they don't want to trade him - especially to a division rival where he can come into Lambeau - have a stormer of a game showing the Coaches/Management up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2008, 03:57:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 16, 2008, 03:55:25 PM
they don't want to trade him - especially to a division rival where he can come into Lambeau - have a stormer of a game showing the Coaches/Management up

So they want do do a Malcolm Glazer on it? Have him rot away on the bench, or else retire. He should retire, he should walk away with his head high, but in fairness to him, if he's changed his mind, he's entitled to do so. And if they don't rate him anymore, they should let him go, or trade him. Surely they could get him a team that's not a divisional rival. They might even get something for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 31, 2008, 08:45:14 PM
Getting excited now waiting for the preseason - really really looking forward to monday night football, and going to wolf pack stadium with an autumn chill in the air. Big hits and short skirts.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaXzC_4Rrg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaXzC_4Rrg&feature=related)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 31, 2008, 10:44:07 PM
monday night football is the best invention ever puck! after the weekend always looked forward to pizza and the game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 31, 2008, 10:46:11 PM
It puts a whole new spin on mondays. Thats for sure. Should be a great season. Have to find a good bet for this year. Last year the packers made me plenty of money, and the lakers too. I wonder who this years cash cow will be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on July 31, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 31, 2008, 10:46:11 PM
It puts a whole new spin on mondays. Thats for sure. Should be a great season. Have to find a good bet for this year. Last year the packers made me plenty of money, and the lakers too. I wonder who this years cash cow will be.

I like Dallas in their 1st 6-8 games, San Diego their 1st 4, the Bears after their 1st 2 games and 1st seven for Indy.

Lots of parlay plays this year $$$$$$ ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 05, 2008, 04:54:43 PM
"Are you ready for some football?
A Monday night Invasion!!"

I loved this theme song every week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmDW5p8X9xs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmDW5p8X9xs&feature=related)


See Brett Favre was reinstated on the weekend, back at practice competing for the starting job. Harsh on Aaron Rogers, who looked awful in a few carefully selected clips from the scrimmage  in Green Bay. Brett is a media favourite alright!

Good game for a pre-season week in the Hall of Fame game. Colt Brennan the rookie from Hawai'i looked good, even with his funny quasi-sidearm action, for his period on the field. (Great name by the way. If he makes it in the NFL, especially as a gunslinger type QB, you can imagine the marketing :D).

The Mighty Cardinals (ahem) are on Thursday night on Sky as well.

Jaysus the NFL makes the autumn worth it. College Football kicking off soon as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 07, 2008, 12:31:34 AM
Barcelona  vs  NY Red Bulls
could get ugly Barca two up already :)

http://www.justin.tv/barcelonaec (http://www.justin.tv/barcelonaec)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 07, 2008, 12:33:55 AM
make that 3 :D 25 mins gone
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on August 07, 2008, 02:30:15 AM
QuoteSee Brett Favre was reinstated on the weekend, back at practice competing for the starting job. Harsh on Aaron Rogers, who looked awful in a few carefully selected clips from the scrimmage  in Green Bay. Brett is a media favourite alright!



Tampa Bay and Mr Gruden here we come...
he'll be closer to home at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 07, 2008, 05:03:35 AM
Move over Joe Namath there is a new Jets QB

ESPN News is reporting Brett Favre traded to the J-E-T-S      NY Jets

Favre will be a good addition to the NYJ with Jones in the backfield, Cotchery and Coles at WR.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 07, 2008, 05:25:18 AM
Can someone explain to me what the hell is going on with Favre?

Last years NFC game quarterback, still a great player - and of the 32 teams in the NFL, only 2 were interested in signing him???

Have the buffallo bills or the miami dolphins, or even the 49ers got an embarrassment of riches somewhere that we dont know about?



20 million on the table last week from Greenbay to sign for them and NOT play... I wish I could be insulted with 20 million.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 07, 2008, 08:37:23 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 07, 2008, 05:03:35 AM
Move over Joe Namath there is a new Jets QB

ESPN News is reporting Brett Favre traded to the J-E-T-S      NY Jets

Favre will be a good addition to the NYJ with Jones in the backfield, Cotchery and Coles at WR.



You can go to     www.NFL.com     for all the details.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on August 07, 2008, 12:07:30 PM
BEST NEWS EVER! FAVRE TO JETS! WE'RE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 07, 2008, 01:33:22 PM
I know one poster will be happy - he made sure to text me at 2am this morning about the trade
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on August 07, 2008, 01:43:20 PM
interesting- obviously a pennington upgrade but how long will it take the team to settle?
not really much of a studley offence, Lavernius Coles and who else?
Giants to be the best team in NYC (NJ) again this year I'm afraid
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 09, 2008, 08:30:49 PM
anyone traveling to the states and wanting to take in an nfl game should check this out


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It has tickets for games featuring the New York Jets (from €86.50), Miami Dolphins (from €37.50), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from €64.50), Oakland Raiders (from €65) and San Francisco 49ers (from €74.50)

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 12, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
Lads, who is going to the American Football in Wembley? Will we meet up for a jar?

I'll probably be around the environment of the Porterhouse in Covent Garden on the Saturday night, and will head out early to the Green Man on Sunday.

I know it's early for this, but a plan is a plan :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 19, 2008, 02:49:05 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVJgoOvvo0 (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVJgoOvvo0)



MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL! YYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
Anyone see the Bucs play the Pats at the weekend, without Tom Brady the Patriots have nothing at QB, The back-ups are terrible. On the other hand the Bucs have 2 many QBs. And after Brady getting ate alive in the Superbowl, none of the O-line look up to much.

OK it was pre-season and they werent starters but with the almost inevitable injuries to the O-line things dont look promising. And Laurence Moroney was going down on contact and not moving the pile at all. Where as his opposite HB for the bucs was getting plenty of YAC's and breaking tackles. The D-line got bossed about for the Pats as well, with the exception of their new middle-linebacker who did well, cant think of his name tho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on August 19, 2008, 03:25:34 PM
I see Chris Henry has been handed one more 'Last Chance' in Cincinnati.

As a Bengals fan I am not sure what to think of this. On on hand he is a talented receiverand is very productive, but on the other hand I thought the team had been moving away from the dubious characters they have employed in recent years.

I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 19, 2008, 03:26:08 PM
I see Chad Johnson is dinged up as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2008, 04:29:50 PM
TJ Housmanzada(?) and Rudi Johnson arent 100% either and havent played a part in the pre-season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on August 19, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Looks like Chad is taking to the pool..

http://football.about.com/b/2008/08/15/chad-johnson-could-out-swim-michael-phelps.htm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 21, 2008, 05:55:09 PM
Gene Upshaw passes away at 63

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=5BA93C606BE5F5D6673326BFECEF2EDB?id=09000d5d80a28802&template=with-video&confirm=true

Gene Upshaw, the Hall of Fame guard who during a quarter century as union head helped get NFL players free agency and the riches that came with it, has died. He was 63.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Gene_Upshaw.JPG/200px-Gene_Upshaw.JPG)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: hitzelsperger on August 21, 2008, 06:44:02 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on August 19, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Looks like Chad is taking to the pool..

http://football.about.com/b/2008/08/15/chad-johnson-could-out-swim-michael-phelps.htm

Next he'll be claiming he can beat Usain Bolt over 100m.  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on August 21, 2008, 09:30:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 12, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
Lads, who is going to the American Football in Wembley? Will we meet up for a jar?

I'll probably be around the environment of the Porterhouse in Covent Garden on the Saturday night, and will head out early to the Green Man on Sunday.

I know it's early for this, but a plan is a plan :D

wouldnt mind meeting for a pint at some stage though it is slightly early and id need to see what the story is!!cant wait for it, 2nd nfl game last one was chargers browns which chargers won handy i see this being a tighter game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 22, 2008, 09:17:28 PM
jets giants preseason tomorrow giants side 50yd line row 16 with parking pass

thats what i'm talkin about baby!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 22, 2008, 10:08:47 PM
Heading out to it myself. Looking forward to it :)
Would be hoping that both teams will be at full strength for the first half anyway, although both teams may have a few injuries at the wide receiver position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 24, 2008, 09:45:35 AM
QuoteSAN DIEGO -- Chargers Pro Bowl linebacker Shawne Merriman said Saturday he has two torn ligaments in his left knee and has been told by doctors that he could suffer a possible career-ending injury if he attempts to play without having surgery.

Merriman said he has tears in both the posterior cruciate and lateral collateral ligaments. He said doctors agree that he needs surgery to repair the damage.

"It could be career-threatening if I did [play]," Merriman said. "It's a possibility. That possibility is still open."

A course of action has not been decided. Merriman, who will consult with a doctor in Miami early next week before making a decision, has been told reconstructive surgery would keep him out for the 2008 season. Another option is a less-invasive surgery that would allow him to play at some point in the season.

"They've all said the same things about the injury," Merriman said. "[They're] kind of surprised that I've been playing with it up to this point."

The Chargers open the regular season Sept. 7 against the Carolina Panthers. Merriman wants to play this season.

Shawne Merriman has two torn ligaments in his left knee.
"That's first and foremost," Merriman said. "That's what I want to do. That's why this decision is even out there still and not already made, because I want to play, period. The question is what should I do? How long should I play with it?

"It's a thousand different options at this point and I'm just trying to make the best one."

Merriman left the team Tuesday to seek opinions from other doctors, a trek that included a visit with renowned surgeon James Andrews on Wednesday in Birmingham, Ala. He said he is seeking as many opinions as he can for a reason.

"I'm just trying to make the best decision possible for the team and for my career," Merriman said.

Coach Norv Turner has remained optimistic all week that Merriman will be able to play this season. He again expressed that hope Saturday.

"Right now, in talking to him, his mind-set is he's doing everything he can to get ready for Carolina, our opener," Turner said. "He just wants to get a little bit more information on his knee."

Merriman has made the Pro Bowl in each of his three NFL seasons. He has 39½ sacks in that span, more than any other NFL player.

Massive blow for the bolts. And for me! I have him in the Montana conerence. I was afraid of this, dropped my back up DB to pick up Justin Tuck from Free Agency. Might put the skids under San Diego's Super Bowl push.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 25, 2008, 02:38:42 AM
Can my luck get any worse?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 25, 2008, 10:52:30 AM
Osi Umenyiora OUT FOR SEASON

balls, i'll have to trade him ASAP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 25, 2008, 11:03:09 AM
Big blow for the New York Football Giants. Some lads are picking them to finish 4th in the NFC East this year! That would be some kick in the nuts. Losing Strahan and Omenyiora is a big blow to their D-Line though. I wonder will Strahan be asked to come out of retirement? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 25, 2008, 11:06:36 AM
thats the rumour on NFL.com, but i dont think its likely
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 25, 2008, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 25, 2008, 10:52:30 AM
Osi Umenyiora OUT FOR SEASON

balls, i'll have to trade him ASAP

Juice - you simply have to drop him, like I had to. Who will trade you for a player out for the season.
I also have the NYG defence, although Ive got detroit in reserve.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 28, 2008, 10:09:29 PM
i see from george kimballs irish times column today that the last yankees/red sox games in yankee stadium start tonight. wrecking ball due up shortly!

i mentioned this on the book thread but will throw it in here too. a great read is the above george kimballs 'america at large' a decade of his irish times columns. got it a few weeks ago and theres some great tales in it. all proceeds go to temple st childerns hospital


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 28, 2008, 10:10:58 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 25, 2008, 02:38:42 AM
Can my luck get any worse?

Merriman is playing this year, how effective he will be is another matter with a gammy knee.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on August 28, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
a lot of chat about a strahan return
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 28, 2008, 10:13:01 PM
Quote from: heganboy on August 28, 2008, 10:11:37 PM
a lot of chat about a strahan return


I read that they rang him in Greece, where he is on holiday, and he isnt interested. They have plenty of depth on the Defensive line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 28, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
He turned them down two days ago, but it could just be a smokescreen to bend them over the ATM one last time before he says Yes.

Even if he comes back - he wont play until week 5-6 at the earliest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on August 29, 2008, 09:38:56 AM
dont worry about lights out, I predict we shall see plenty of thon stupid dance the year!! ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 29, 2008, 09:56:28 AM
Hope so. I drafted him cos I thought he'd lead the league in sacks this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 30, 2008, 03:41:51 AM
ShareThis
Ocho Cinco 2.0
By GEOFF HOBSON
August 29, 2008
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Posted: 5:05 p.m.
By the power vested in Broward County, Florida, Chad Johnson's name is now legally "Chad Javon Ocho Cinco," in what he calls a reinvention of the Ocho gig.

"Ocho Cinco 2.0" is what Johnson is calling it, but what the NFL is calling it remains to be seen. Could Johnson be looking for "Ocho Cinco" to go across the back of his No. 85 jersey?

"Hint, hint," he said of the marketing potential. "It's something I don't think anyone has ever done before. Have I ever had a reason for why I do what I do? I'm having fun."


Johnson
Johnson "changed" his name to Ocho Cinco for warmups before a game against the Falcons in 2006 and before Carson Palmer ripped off the nameplate to reveal C. Johnson. That was a violation of NFL uniform rules and he was reportedly fined $5,000.

Now he's done it legally in a move first reported by ProFootballTalk.com. And according to the document from the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit, the name change won't "invade the property rights of others, whether partnership, patent, good will, privacy, trademark, or otherwise."

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an e-mail Friday that the league is looking into it.

Don Hinchey of The Bonham Group, an internationally influential sports and entertainment company based in Denver, estimates Johnson could make this legal name change work for as much as "in the low seven figures."

"He's definitely got some cachet. He's really turned it into kind of a brand name. The media has picked it up and that can help him extend it. He's edgy enough and unpredictable enough that that would appeal to a lot of people on a jersey."

The highest selling jersey on NFLshop.com from Aug. 1 to Aug. 26, of course, was Brett Favre. The only receivers in the top 25 were Terrell Owens and Randy Moss. Could an Ocho jersey fire up sales, for which players get less than 10 percent on each jersey sale?

"He's a tremendously talented guy and very magnetic, but he's also volatile," Hinchey said. "I see him as almost like a football Dennis Rodman. But I think if he stays away from that, I think it's a pretty smart move. He's got some good market sense."

Johnson's popularity took a hit in the offseason with trade demands, holdout threats, and boycott of the voluntary practices. But since the start of training camp he has been all for it, saying and doing all the right things, and he remained a popular player during the camp at Georgetown College.

He has been especially hard-working since he suffered a torn labrum in his left shoulder Aug. 17 and while there is the possibility his shoulder could pop out of the socket and end his season, he is proud of his weightlifting.

"Today I did my normal routine, I just went right down the row (of weight machines)," Johnson said Friday after sitting out Thursday's game. "Everything was at 100 pounds. I felt good. Tell Cincinnati I love them and to come along for the ride. It's going to be fun."

Johnson won't say what he has up his sleeve. But he said it's not going to change much.

"You can call me anything you want," he said.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 01, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
As the season starts on Thursday i think everyone should get their spake in. Predictions for Conferences, Super Bowl Winner and Rookie of the Year please......

AFC - San Diego Chargers
NFC - Dallas Cowboys
Super Bowl San Diego Chargers

Rookie Of The Year - Mc Fadden - Oakland Raiders
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 01, 2008, 07:42:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 01, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
As the season starts on Thursday i think everyone should get their spake in. Predictions for Conferences, Super Bowl Winner and Rookie of the Year please......

AFC - San Diego Chargers
NFC - Dallas Cowboys
Super Bowl San Diego Chargers

Rookie Of The Year - Mc Fadden - Oakland Raiders

AFC             Jacksonville
NFC             New Orleans
Super Bowl   New Orleans

Rookie         Matt Ryan Atlanta

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 01, 2008, 11:01:45 PM
AFC- Bolts
NFC Cowboys

Superbowl- Bolts

Rookie- Matt Ryan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2008, 10:40:06 AM
I'm going to go a step further. Can't wait for Thursday night, and especially London in October. Go Cardinals!

NFC
North
1st - Minnesota
2nd - Pack
3rd - Da Bears
4th - Detroit

South
1st - N'Yaleans
2nd - Carolina
3rd - Manchester United
4th - Atlanta

East
1st - Cowboys
2nd- 'Skins
3rd - Noo Yawk Giants
4th - Eagles

West
1st - Cardinals (yeah right)
2nd - Seahawks
3rd - Rams
4th - San Fran.

AFC
North
1st - Browns
2nd - Steelers
3rd - Ravens
4th - Bungles

South
1st - Colts
2nd - Jags
3rd - Texans
4th - Titans

East
1st - Pats
2nd - Noo Yawk J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
3rd - Buffalo
4th - Dolphins

West
1st - Bolts
2nd - Black Hole
3rd - Broncos
4th - Chiefs


AFC Wildcards
Jags & Jets

NFC Wildcards
The PAck and the 'Skins


AFC Champions
San Diego Chargers

NFC Champions
New Orleans Saints

Superbowl Champions
San Diego Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 02, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
Its almost immpossible to predict.

AFC: San Diego

NFC: Green Bay Packers

Superbowl: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......Packers, why not.

Rookie: Chris Johnson: Tennessee

or JaMarcus Russell  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
AFC : San Diego
NFC: Minnesota Vikings

Superbowl: Minnesota Vikings

DROY: Glenn Dorsey
OROY: Matt Ryan

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 02, 2008, 02:13:17 PM
AFC

Division Winners:
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Colts
San Diego

Wild cards:
Cleveland
Jags

NFC
Cowboys
Seattle
Saints
Vikings
Wild cards: Philly Carolina

AFC Champs: Colts
NFC Champs: Philly (hope its Saints tho)

Superbowl: Colts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 02, 2008, 02:52:05 PM
AFC: San Diego Chargers

NFC: Dallas Cowboys

Superbowl: Chargers

Rookie of the Year: Jonathan Stewart (Carolina Panthers)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 02, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
UCLA produced a great defensive performance last night to beat Tennessee (#18) by a field goal in over time. In the first half the UCLA third choice quarterback hit 4 interceptions and had a nightmare half. He was a different player in the second, driving UCLA down the field twice for touchdowns.

Tennessee defense was also good, but struggled going forward.


USC again look amazing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2008, 03:15:27 PM
Jaysus, I can't wait for Thursday night.

The pot of chilli will be made on Thursday morning before I go to work - let her sit all day
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2008, 03:17:07 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 02, 2008, 03:14:32 PM
UCLA produced a great defensive performance last night to beat Tennessee (#18) by a field goal in over time. In the first half the UCLA third choice quarterback hit 4 interceptions and had a nightmare half. He was a different player in the second, driving UCLA down the field twice for touchdowns.

Tennessee defense was also good, but struggled going forward.


USC again look amazing.

That USC program is amazing. Pete Carroll is doing, ahem, trojan work down there.

They have the coolest mascot as well, with the white horse, the trojan gear and the big sword that he plunges into the endzone. I was hoping himself and the Virginia cavalier would have a big sword battle or something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 02, 2008, 04:01:47 PM
The USC defense is like something Ive yet to see in colleges football. The virginia quarterback didnt know what day of the week it was for most of the first half.

This new fella at UCLA - Rick Neuheise seems to have instilled a bit of grit in the Bruins. Still a long way off from challenging USC, but nice to see a good performance coming out of the other side of LA.

Interestlingly both his previous schools were sanctioned for illegal recruiting after he left them...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 02, 2008, 06:46:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2008, 03:15:27 PM
Jaysus, I can't wait for Thursday night.

The pot of chilli will be made on Thursday morning before I go to work - let her sit all day

sounds like a great plan gab!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 03, 2008, 02:59:26 PM
I've a league match thursday night, gonna be wrecked but im staying up to watch the opener. Might have a few beers and then a strong coffee at work on friday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2008, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 03, 2008, 02:59:26 PM
I've a league match thursday night, gonna be wrecked but im staying up to watch the opener. Might have a few beers and then a strong coffee at work on friday

What time is kick off? Im sure it will be repeated on Friday on Sky Sports. Will NFL Total Access still be on throughout the season on Sky Sports i wonder or was it just a schedule filler.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on September 03, 2008, 03:08:46 PM
I think that total access is due to continue throughout the season.

Did anybody go for any of the gamepass options for the new season?

I went for the new HD version with the follow your team option.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 04, 2008, 10:19:58 AM
Extra Tickets on sale for the Wembley game today @ 6pm through ticketmaster.com
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 04, 2008, 02:14:09 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
+ 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 04, 2008, 02:32:18 PM
Betting preview

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/us_sports/betting/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=betting/08/09/03/manual_102519.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2008, 02:49:59 PM
This could be in the 'What the f**k' thread, but i think it's hilarious.

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Detroit RB Johnson says Tatum Bell took luggage

Sep 3, 5:19 pm EDT

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ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP)—Detroit running back Rudi Johnson said Wednesday that the player who was waived to make room for him on the Lions' roster—Tatum Bell — took his luggage from team headquarters.

"All this happened when he got released," Johnson said. "He came in to get some stuff out of his locker and that's when he scooped up the bags."

After being cut by the Cincinnati Bengals, Johnson came to Detroit to work out for the team and meet with Lions president Matt Millen on Monday. During the meeting, which ended with Johnson agreeing to a free-agent contract, the two Gucci bags that he had received as a Pro Bowl gift were taken from inside the team's headquarters.

A message seeking comment was left Wednesday with Bell's agent, Kennard McGuire.

Johnson met with the Detroit media for the first time Tuesday, and talked about Bell in a positive manner—saying they had discussed the Lions and that Bell, also a running back, had given him advice on the team and the city.

However, shortly after Johnson praised Bell, team security director Ricky Sandoval showed him footage from the team's surveillance system.

"Ricky showed me the tape Tuesday afternoon," Johnson said. "What makes this crazy is that I've talked to him after games, and I talked to him a couple hours prior to this—I guess it was before he found out he was going to be released."

Johnson said a woman returned the bags to the practice facility Tuesday evening, but that the contents were gone.

"I got the bags back—empty," he said. "So he's got a bunch of my underclothes. What he's going to do with that, I don't know. He's got some socks and boxers."

Johnson said he was also still missing about $200 in cash along with his ID and the credit cards, but said that he did not plan to involve the authorities.

"I don't need the police for this," he said. "I got my bags back and the credit cards are canceled."

Johnson did speak with Bell after the bags were returned.

"I didn't want to talk to him, but I let him know where I stand," he said. "He knows how I feel about it, and it isn't anything positive."

Lions coach Rod Marinelli declined to comment on the issue after Wednesday's practice, but the team issued a short, uncredited statement before Johnson confirmed the reports that had started on the Internet Tuesday night.

"We are aware of the media reports regarding former player Tatum Bell," the statement said. "Our sole focus continues to be on our regular season opener in Atlanta. We will not have any further comment on the media reports involving Tatum Bell."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on September 04, 2008, 02:58:33 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Bell probably fumbled the bags a few times before he got home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 10:13:10 AM
well lads did any of ye stay up to watch the match last night? the giants won by 16-7 the man i was looking out for was plaxico and he duly earned me 13 points for the fantasy football
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
I watched it until 10-0, then I got sensible. The Giant's looked very good early, I assume they slowed up a bit to end with 17.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on September 05, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 04, 2008, 02:14:09 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
+ 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)


Good call Carmen
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 05, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
I watched it though I dozed through the second half. The Giants looked amazing on their first drive. But they stalled in the redzone after that. Brandon Jacobs had a solid game. He really levelled Landry. Jason Campbell came into it eventually when he got some better protection.

The Giants D-line didnt look slowed by the loss of Osi and Strahan although Kywanuka injured his ankle on the last play of the game. You can see that the Redskins had eventually got things going and started figuring out how to stop the Giants.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 05, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 10:19:57 AM
I watched it until 10-0, then I got sensible. The Giant's looked very good early, I assume they slowed up a bit to end with 17.


Me too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 05, 2008, 10:27:26 AM
I watched it though I dozed through the second half. The Giants looked amazing on their first drive. But they stalled in the redzone after that. Brandon Jacobs had a solid game. He really levelled Landry. Jason Campbell came into it eventually when he got some better protection.

The Giants D-line didnt look slowed by the loss of Osi and Strahan although Kywanuka injured his ankle on the last play of the game. You can see that the Redskins had eventually got things going and started figuring out how to stop the Giants.



That was class. It was like a 4x4 running through/over a picket fence. Deadly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
lads when did yere hands on the tickets for the match last year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 05, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
I cant remember when they arrived, it might be an idea to skip back through this thread to this time last year I'm sure there'll be mention of it. Although was there a thread for the Wembley game itself?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
lads when did yere hands on the tickets for the match last year ?

I collected mine from the box office on the morning of the game. No hassles, no worries about losing them or getting lost in the post.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 04:58:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 04:38:14 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 01:57:13 PM
lads when did yere hands on the tickets for the match last year ?

I collected mine from the box office on the morning of the game. No hassles, no worries about losing them or getting lost in the post.


was that an option when you were booking az or did you do it later ? i'm sure  i requested mine to be posted out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 05, 2008, 05:01:38 PM
Option when buying them, I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Deel i got mine posted last year,if i remember right they come about two weeks before the game,to stop you flogging on ebay maybe i dunno but dont panic just yet
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
thanks minder are you heading this year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2008, 08:04:18 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 05, 2008, 05:09:14 PM
thanks minder are you heading this year ?
No unfortunately not,heading to dublin tomorrow with a few half wits for the hurling. Missus is 30 in November too so cant do it all!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 05, 2008, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: full back on September 05, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 04, 2008, 02:14:09 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
+ 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)


Good call Carmen

Good start to the season for The Giants, and me! :)
Jacobs is a machine, Landry probably only coming around today! Burress impressed aswell seeing the last time he played with Manning was the Super Bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2008, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 05, 2008, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: full back on September 05, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 04, 2008, 02:14:09 PM
It all starts again tonight, cant wait!
Redskins  v   Giants     7.00pm  Giants Stadium
+ 4 1/2    - 4 1/2

41 1/2 over

Giants and the under! ;)


Good call Carmen

Good start to the season for The Giants, and me! :)
Jacobs is a machine, Landry probably only coming around today! Burress impressed aswell seeing the last time he played with Manning was the Super Bowl!

I would say he had a spring in his step after signing a $35million dollar contract yesterday...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 05, 2008, 10:21:28 PM
I guess it might help :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: fntn on September 06, 2008, 01:28:13 AM
hey AZ,

got my tickets sorted for cards @ jets on week 4.

u want me to shout some abuse at 'hot-tub-leinart'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 06, 2008, 07:08:12 PM
HUGE upset in the making right now. Ohio 14 Ohio State 6

Go on Bobcats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 06, 2008, 07:10:50 PM
Long left? What station?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 06, 2008, 07:15:44 PM
Dont worry got it
Ohio state miss extra point  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 07, 2008, 02:35:47 AM
Im almost sure Ive heard it all now..

Commentators on ESPN working the USA Vs Cuba world cup qualifer, just likened the role of Landon Donavan to that of Roy Keane at Manchester United.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 07, 2008, 01:18:39 PM
who won puck?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 07, 2008, 03:45:16 PM
USA 1 Cuba 0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 12:20:50 AM
anyone watching the Chargers Vs Panthers???? Delhomme with the winner 2 secs left
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 08, 2008, 12:37:30 AM
Tragedy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 08, 2008, 12:48:07 AM
Yea unreal finish to that game. Cowboys were fairly impressive against Cleveland I thought even though Browns' defence is fairly putrid. Only saw highlights of Dolphins v Jets but it looked like Favre was up to his old tricks again. Man i love opening weekend!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 08, 2008, 02:19:02 AM
looks like brady is gone for the season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 09:52:43 AM
well thats my fantasy team fucked. First Osi and now Brady.

Still a good opening day, how about them Falcons, Michael Turner!, Matt Ryan didnt do bad for a rookie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2008, 09:54:02 AM
And the Cards! 1 and 0 baby, 1 and 0!!

:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2008, 09:56:21 AM
Bears beating Colts on the road, the biggest shock of them all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 10:04:07 AM
Well the Colts could say they were on the road to their new home  :P still a shock, I didnt stay up for it, was Kyle Orton much good? Bills beating the Seahawks as well!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2008, 10:05:37 AM
With Saint Louis getting waxed by Philly, The Cardinals are top of the NFC West. Blow it up ref!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 08, 2008, 10:09:25 AM
Go on da Bears! Great start and looks like the mean D might be back on track. No offensive turnovers which shows again that though limited, Orton is a better option than the fumbler Grossman.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 08, 2008, 01:01:51 PM
Bears looked good last night but i thought the big performance of the day was from Buffalo!  If Brady is indeed gone for the year then Buffalo could be serious players in the AFC east.
Eagles werent bad either!
Looking forward to packers, vikings tonight!Peterson is great to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2008, 02:48:45 PM
Pats are in the process of getting Chris Simms to fill Tom Brady's boots. What about Daunte Culpepper??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 08, 2008, 08:43:57 PM
He's officially done for the season

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/09/08/brady.ap/index.html

QuoteFOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) -- New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is out for the season with a left knee injury that will require surgery.

The 2007 NFL Most Valuable Player will be placed on injured reserve, the Patriots said Monday, one day after his knee was injured in the first quarter of a 17-10 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs.

A statement issued before coach Bill Belichick's news conference said Brady will have surgery, ending his 128-game starting streak.

Brady left Sunday's game against Kansas City after he was hit by Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard. Brady was not available for comment, but reports circulated around the league that he had torn his anterior cruciate ligament.

"We feel badly for Tom about the injury," Belichick said. "You hate to see anyone go down. No one has worked harder or done more for this team than Tom has."

Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GY Joe on September 09, 2008, 11:14:00 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 08, 2008, 08:43:57 PM
He's officially done for the season

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/09/08/brady.ap/index.html

QuoteFOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) -- New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady is out for the season with a left knee injury that will require surgery.

The 2007 NFL Most Valuable Player will be placed on injured reserve, the Patriots said Monday, one day after his knee was injured in the first quarter of a 17-10 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs.

A statement issued before coach Bill Belichick's news conference said Brady will have surgery, ending his 128-game starting streak.

Brady left Sunday's game against Kansas City after he was hit by Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard. Brady was not available for comment, but reports circulated around the league that he had torn his anterior cruciate ligament.

"We feel badly for Tom about the injury," Belichick said. "You hate to see anyone go down. No one has worked harder or done more for this team than Tom has."

Copyright 2008 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 09, 2008, 07:35:52 PM
cant believe that - what a pity hes gone for the season. class player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on September 10, 2008, 11:48:27 AM
Quote from: lfdown2 on August 29, 2008, 09:38:56 AM
dont worry about lights out, I predict we shall see plenty of thon stupid dance the year!! ;D

d'oh

pobally for the best all the same!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 11, 2008, 11:54:57 PM
Gonna throw out some picks for week 2

Bears to beat the Panthers
Titans to beat the Bengals
Packers beat Detroit
Jags beat the Bills
Kansas beat Raiders
Vikings beat Colts
Giants beat Rams
Saints beat Redskins
Seahawks beat 49ers
Bucs beat the Falcons
Cards beat the Phins
Broncos beat Chargers
Ravens beat Texans
Pats beat Jets (even without Brady)
Steelers beat Browns
Eagles and Cowboys...............hmmmmmmmm, Eagles...............................no wait Cowboys!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 12, 2008, 01:41:01 PM
Are ye in that Pigskin pick 'em thing?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 12, 2008, 02:03:46 PM
nope,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone86 on September 13, 2008, 11:04:44 PM
USC v Ohio State - worth staying in for on a Saturday night!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 14, 2008, 01:16:47 AM
Quote from: tyrone86 on September 13, 2008, 11:04:44 PM
USC v Ohio State - worth staying in for on a Saturday night!

Have the pizza and waiting for kickoff.

Notre Dame big win vs Michigan today in South Bend 35-17

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 14, 2008, 02:07:38 AM
What about the mormons handing UCLA their asses in a 59-0 defeat. Holy crap I didnt see that one coming.

Nevada beaten 69-17 at missouri. :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 04:30:49 AM
The Buckeyes just no were close! Dont think anyone will come close, Totally dominant performance from the Trojans.


USC 35
Ohio State 3

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 04:24:06 PM
So we in for any surprises today?
Just about to get my bet done, having a little trouble picking!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 14, 2008, 05:11:04 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 04:24:06 PM
So we in for any surprises today?
Just about to get my bet done, having a little trouble picking!
Probably not surprises as much, but a couple of strong teams could be overturned. Chargers are in trouble with injuries, LT, Shawn Merriman etc. Sproles and Hester are good back-ups though but Cutler is firing well and selvin young should do well on the ground, so I'd go for the bucs.
Jets v Patriots should be a cracker, Cassel in his first game vs Favre in his two hundred and fifty somethingth. Cassel wasnt bad in the pre season though, and Jets are still finding their feet so pats should be good.

I also think the Lions could upset the packers for some reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 14, 2008, 05:28:11 PM
Pucks Parlay



Cheifs -4
Colts -2
Saints pick
Packers -3
Jags -5
Arizona/Miami under 39
Chargers -1
Steelers -6

10$ stake pays $1490


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 14, 2008, 05:38:53 PM
Right the Four picked are

Giants -8.5
Kansas -3.5
Broncos -1
Vikings +1.5

The Vikings I think can take the Colts today in Minnesota with there running game.  Chicago run all over them last week. Though Manning was rusty last week he may have had enough time now to produce what he his capable of.
Have fancied Denver in this one myself especially since Merriman decided to go for his op! Denver looked really good last week and should be to strong!
Long day ahead! Love it!  

By the way Pick 4 Pays @ 8/1   with the wee bookie at the end of the bar ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:34:36 AM
Bet Stuffed :(
Anyone watching the Broncos :o What a game they just went for two to win game and got it!
Not over yet but!
Sproules TD unreal!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 15, 2008, 12:36:24 AM
UNREAL finish, some balls on the coach to make that call. Rivers has a 12 seconds left, I doubt he can do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:37:25 AM
Nearly, Inches!
This is why its so good!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2008, 12:40:19 AM
Unbelievable call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
Holy Shit!! Enjoyed that :)

Dodgy decision i thought when Cutler fumbled near end!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2008, 12:42:26 AM
Chargers 0-2....need a run to start. Thought they were back in '07 mode in the last 2 quarters - left themselves too much to do though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 15, 2008, 12:43:05 AM
Terrible decision, is there a reason why Chargers didnt challenge it? Were they out of timeouts?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 15, 2008, 12:46:09 AM
They were out of TO alright, that may have something to do with it! But what did the Ref look at when he reveiwed it?  It was very clear from any replay I saw!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 15, 2008, 01:20:32 AM
The play was reviewed. When there is under 2 min left the review call comes directly from the Ref upstairs. The ref stated the play was a fumble but he blew the whistle ending the play after the fumble. Tough call against SD but the rules state once the whistle is blown the play is dead. Ed Hockely(sp)stated he blew the whistle even though it was a fumble, Ed is one of the best refs or the best ref in the NFL so it shows everyone can make a mistake.
Denver better go out and do some charity work for the charity the received today.

On the flipside Shanahan has the biggest nut sack to go for the win instead of the tie.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2008, 09:36:42 AM
Great games on Sky yesterday. The Chargers-Broncos was a great one, but not much defence. The Chargers will be sickened though, the interception/fumble recovery by Champ Bailey that the replay machine was broken for, and the Ref blowing the play dead after Cutler fumbled.

What a call by Shanahan to go for 2 though. He must have thought 'feck it, we should have lost anyway', but if they hadn't made it, he'd be pilloried today.

Vikings should have beaten the Colts as well. Unbelievable to hear the Vikings fans booing Tavaris Jackson after every incompletion, even when they were winning. What must that do to a young QB? Adrian Peterson looks class again, but they need to turn field goals into touchdowns if they're going to make a run.

Favre did a Favre on it last night as well. I know that's what your going to get with him when he goes into gunslinger mode, but he really does throw crazy interceptions, and to give the Patriots a short field like that was criminal. I don't think Cassells was going to march 60 or 70 yards for a score against the Jets D. What happened Moroney? Did he get hurt, or has he sunk to 3rd in the depth chart behind Morris and Faulk?

Finally, the Lions, they are gas altogether. Get right back into the game, and take the lead, then boom. FG, and 3 INTs by Kitna and they get a hammering.

And the Cardinals are 2-0!! And with the 49ers beating Seattle last night in Seattle, the Cards have a 2 game lead over the Seahawks and Rams, with the 49ers, whom the Cards have beaten in SF, 1-1.

Is this the year?

NLF is great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 15, 2008, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2008, 09:36:42 AM
NLF is great.


I prefer the NFL but its your choice  ;)

I was too pissed to stay awake, I remember watching Favre throwing an INT and the next time I open my eyes I'm watching Teleshopping. looks like I missed a great weekend of football, I'll try catch the highlights later
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2008, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 15, 2008, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2008, 09:36:42 AM
NLF is great.


I prefer the NFL but its your choice  ;)

I was too pissed to stay awake, I remember watching Favre throwing an INT and the next time I open my eyes I'm watching Teleshopping. looks like I missed a great weekend of football, I'll try catch the highlights later

The NFL isn't bad, but the National Linedancing Federation is something else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 01:52:40 AM
anyone else up watching the Eagles Vs Cowboys? 3-0 to the eagles at the minute.

anyone watching the Eagles vs Cowboys, Romo fumbles in the EZ and now DeSean Jackson threw the ball away after catching a bomb from McNabb before he passed the goal-line, f**king idiot, started celebrating too early. what a tool.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 02:53:51 AM
What a moron, Desean Jackson, threw the football down before crossing the goalline on a 60+ bomb for a TD.

High scoring 27-21 with 7:30 left in 1st half, a real shootout in Dallas :D

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 16, 2008, 02:57:25 AM
NFL >>>>>>>> Soccer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 03:00:20 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 16, 2008, 02:57:25 AM
NFL >>>>>>>> Soccer

???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:15:30 AM
Great game going!!
Come on Eagles hold on!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:21:55 AM
10 mins to go!
Make the call Harp!
Westbrook got to be one of the best RB in league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 04:27:15 AM
great game a real see-saw battle,

and wheres TO been this half? that seems to be the way things go, great start then he goes missing, perhaps its the coverage changes to cover him more
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:38:33 AM
This aint over yet! Great  stuff!  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:46:18 AM
A small glimmer of hope!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 04:47:57 AM
Eagles on the winning drive?? I dont think they'll do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 04:48:06 AM
think the Eagles will pull it off here after the punt.

Hate Jerry Jones and want to see him with that sour puss face after a loss.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 04:50:08 AM
Westbrooks neck has to be 3 inches longer  with every Dallas player grabbing his facemask.......ouch.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:50:40 AM
Stupid penalty!
Come on Mc Nabb
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:53:38 AM
Great Defence! Feckers
Hail Mary Time!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 16, 2008, 04:54:47 AM
 :o :o
What the hell was that!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 16, 2008, 04:55:16 AM
HORRIBLE play call.

Great game all the same.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 16, 2008, 04:57:21 AM
the defense just didnt fall for it, poor decision.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 16, 2008, 06:30:27 PM
The nicest feeling in the world - is to not be sweating a game in the second half.

Puck put the house on the over yesterday - bet was in at half time. Makes up for that donkey parlay that let me down at the weekend.


The Eagles moved the ball well, but were handed a couple of relatively easy TDs. Romo's fumble was not a smart move - but what about deshaun Jackson - what an ass. Can you imagine what would be said in the locker room after that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 21, 2008, 09:56:14 PM
Dolphins 38
Patriots 13

hows about that. Giants got it done against the Bengals in OT, as did the Bucs Vs Bears. Brian Westbrook out with a bad ankle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 25, 2008, 04:34:39 PM
Detroit fans rejoice!!

Matt Millen got the sack. In what must have been the daftest appointment in the history of sport back in 2001 to make a man who has no-experience of the job or business side of the NFL the GM of the Detroit Lions, he took them from a middling team to being one of the worst in NFL history.

In spite of the NFL's structure which helps weaker teams get the best players, the Lions flew in the face of that picking WR after WR believing that it was only a matter of time before QB Joey Harrington would start getting the results like his golf playing cousin Padraig.

But the truly remarkable thing about Millens reign is how long it lasted despite the terrible results.

Lions under Matt MIllen

Draft picks under Matt Millen (2001-07)
Total selections: 53
Still with team: 18
Out of NFL: 30
Pro Bowl players: 2

Win-Loss Ratio: 31-84
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 25, 2008, 07:28:58 PM
cowboys look like a cert this year
can't see the jets going anywhere - though hope Favre sticks around for another season
not sure if the giants are just warming up - Plaxico hasn't been on form yet and after their performance against the bengals I can't see them threatening
Eagles looked good but with westbrook out where do they go?

after the football is over at home the football here definitely makes the winter a little more bearable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinknHarp on September 26, 2008, 03:15:07 AM
USC getting their butts kicked by OREGON STATE ??? ???

14-0  almost end of 1st half

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 26, 2008, 03:46:28 AM
21 zip at half time! USC getting owned at the line!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 29, 2008, 09:21:56 AM
Few shocks last night.

Jason Campell and the Skins beat the Cowboys in Irving. Great stuff. Kansas City beat the Bronco's convincingly and the Titans keep on winning!! Its really turning out to be an intriguing season, 4 contenders in the NFC East but no team looking invincible. Who would have guessed at the Bills being undefeated after 4 weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 29, 2008, 09:24:22 AM
S.O.C.


(Same ol' Cardinals)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 29, 2008, 09:41:08 AM
how many times did Kurt Warner turn over the ball??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 29, 2008, 09:45:28 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 29, 2008, 09:41:08 AM
how many times did Kurt Warner turn over the ball??

He had 4 fumbles and lost 3 of them and threw 3 int's...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 30, 2008, 02:27:49 PM
A sobering bit of news. That Jacksonville Offensive Tackle that was shot before the season has survived, but his condition isn't anything to be shouting about. Poor divil.

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Doctors: Shot Jacksonville lineman is paralyzed

By RON WORD, Associated Press Writer 14 hours, 50 minutes ago

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In this Aug. 7, 2006 file photo, Jacksonville Jaguars offensive lineman Richard Collier takes part in warm-up drills during the Jaguars football training camp in Jacksonville, Fla. Doctors say Collier is paralyzed below the waist and that they amputated one of his legs. Collier was shot and critically wounded earlier this month as he sat in a vehicle outside an apartment building with a former teammate. Doctors say he has 14 bullet wounds, but is now in stable condition. No one has been arrested.
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP)—Jacksonville Jaguars offensive tackle Richard Collier, shot while sitting in a car outside an apartment complex earlier this month, is paralyzed below the waist and his left leg was amputated, his doctor said Monday.

Collier was on a ventilator for about three weeks and has no memory of the shooting, said Dr. Andy Kerwin, a surgeon for the University of Florida at Shands Jacksonville hospital.

"His overall condition has improved greatly," Kerwin said. "We expect him to be discharged soon."

Kerwin said Collier suffered 14 bullet wounds to the back, left groin, left legs and right buttock. In addition, a bullet severed his spinal cord, causing the paralysis. The amputation was the result of damage to his left leg and groin, where blood clots formed. Five bullets alone were removed from his urinary bladder and the 26-year-old player also had bouts of pneumonia, infections and renal failure.

Still, his condition has been upgraded to good from critical.

Collier will undergo physical therapy to learn how to move from his bed to a wheelchair. He will never walk again, the doctor said.
This handout provided by the NFL shows Jacksonville Jaguars football player Richard Collier. Doctors say Jacksonville lineman Richard Collier is paralyzed below the waist and that they amputated one of his legs. Collier was shot and critically wounded earlier this month as he sat in a vehicle outside an apartment building with a former teammate. Doctors say he has 14 bullet wounds, but is now in stable condition. No one has been arrested.
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Collier's agent Jeff Jankovich said the player's family wanted to make sure Collier understood what had happened to him before releasing details to the public. He said they even kept the Jaguars in the dark.

"He has extreme grief for a lifetime of dreams he won't be able to fulfill," the agent said.

Jankovich refused to say specifically when Collier would be released, citing security concerns.

Collier and former teammate Kenneth Pettway were waiting for two women outside an apartment complex early Sept. 2 when a gunman fired into the vehicle, according to the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. Pettway was not injured.

The motive behind the attack on Collier is unknown, but investigators said earlier he appeared to be targeted. Police have made no arrests in the shooting.

Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio and several players attended the news conference.

"It's a tragedy this young man was caught up in this violence," Del Rio said. "It's a great tragedy for a young man who had such a promising future."

Offensive tackle Tony Pashos said the attack on Collier has been difficult for his teammates. "I think about him a lot," he said.

Collier was in his third year with the NFL after graduating from Valdosta State.

He was the third NFL player shot in the past 18 months. Washington Redskins star Sean Taylor was fatally shot during what police said was a botched burglary attempt at his Miami-area home in November. Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was killed when his rented limousine was sprayed with bullets minutes after leaving a New Year's party at a club in 2007.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 30, 2008, 03:29:03 PM
Poor lad, heart goes out to him. I guess its just a sympton US society and it can be very hard for players who might have in the  past been mixed up in gang activity to shake it off. Im not saying that Richard Collier was involved in any of it but I guess one could could easily jump to that conclusion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 01, 2008, 11:44:03 AM
Just sacked baby........Letter given to Lane Kiffin on 12 September by Al Davis. What a circus....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80b4423a&template=with-video&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 01, 2008, 02:39:28 PM
The Madness of King Al,

He's the Robert Mugabe of the NFL! He cant let go of the power even though its destroying the thing he loves so much.

I recommend you read "Your OK Its Only A Bruise" by Rob Huizenga the Raiders team doctor during the 80's. You'll get an insight to how Al is not only a megalomaniac but also a vindictive ******.

I feel sorry for Raiders fans, I do like them, but I cant see them ever succeeding while Davis has his fingers in all the pies.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 03, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
Anyone who went to Wembley last year, can you tell me whats the storey with tickets getting delivered to Ireland. How long before the event did they arrive. I checked Ticketmaster but they havent dispatched yet. was hoping they'd arrive before the 11th. Just hope someones home when they arrive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 03, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 03, 2008, 10:48:07 AM
Anyone who went to Wembley last year, can you tell me whats the storey with tickets getting delivered to Ireland. How long before the event did they arrive. I checked Ticketmaster but they havent dispatched yet. was hoping they'd arrive before the 11th. Just hope someones home when they arrive.

Juice i think it was about 14 days before the match if i remember right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 03, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
Did anyone else going to the game apply for the tailgate party tickets on the Sunday morn?
Food beer music and the Saints cheerleaders..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 03, 2008, 11:46:39 AM
seen it, didnt bother, was thinking a tailgating party in london may be slightly less appealling than one in san diego, sounds good all the same il just prob head for a slap of pints!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 03, 2008, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on October 03, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
Did anyone else going to the game apply for the tailgate party tickets on the Sunday morn?
Food beer music and the Saints cheerleaders..

didnt know you needed seperate tickets for it, was hoping to go along
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 03, 2008, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 03, 2008, 01:40:38 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on October 03, 2008, 11:27:14 AM
Did anyone else going to the game apply for the tailgate party tickets on the Sunday morn?
Food beer music and the Saints cheerleaders..

didnt know you needed seperate tickets for it, was hoping to go along

This is the email i got about it juice


NFL UK is excited to announce that there will be a free New Orleans-themed Tailgate Party at Wembley Stadium from 11:00am to 4:00pm prior to this year's International Series game between the New Orleans Saints and San Diego Chargers at Wembley Stadium on Sunday October 26th. The Tailgate Party is open to all International Series Game ticket holders.

To apply for your tickets for this fantastic event, all you need to do is email tailgateuk@nfl.com and include your name and Ticketmaster order number. You can find your Ticketmaster order number in the Ticket confirmation email you received from customer.services@ticketmaster.co.uk following your ticket purchase. Your code should be in the following formats: 
Click here to see an example of how Ticketmaster's order number would be presented on your confirmation email.

If your application is granted, you will receive the same number of Tailgate Party tickets as your Ticketmaster order for the Game. Tailgate tickets will be sent out in the same package as your Game tickets in early-October.

The 20,000 person party will be the biggest organized tailgate event ever to take place in the UK, and will include New Orleans-based jazz bands, NFL Experience games and a Mardi Gras parade.

Live on stage will be a variety of famed New Orleans jazz to get the party in full swing.

Also appearing at the Tailgate Party will be Saints' cheerleaders, who will perform on stage for fans prior to taking the field.

In addition to the New Orleans-themed entertainment, there will be exciting food and drink options available to attendees. Authentic New Orleans recipes like jambalaya and étouffe will be on offer in addition to traditional football fare like hotdogs and hamburgers.

Coors Light – the Official beer sponsor of the NFL -- will be providing a beer garden for NFL fans to meet-up and enjoy some ice cold, Rocky Mountain refreshment before kick-off of the big game between the Saints and Chargers.

Also available for fans attending the event will be a large Reebok NFL merchandise marquee, which will include an array of NFL gear including replica jerseys, caps, t-shirts, helmets, footballs and special commemorative International Series souvenirs.

If you want to spend time at the Tailgate Party sharpening your football skills there will be 11 NFL Experience games on site available to test your ability. Practice your throwing, blocking, catching, kicking, tackling and running with a variety of different fun games that will appeal to children and adults.

If playing football on screen is more your thing, then EA Sports will be there giving everyone an opportunity to play their latest and greatest NFL title: Madden NFL 09.  There will also be a limited number of walk-up spots available to compete in the UK's Madden Challenge Finals, where you will have an opportunity to win great prizes -- including a Grand Prize trip to Beaches Turks & Caicos Resort and Spa in January 2009, to compete for a share of prizes totalling US$100,000 in the global Madden Challenge Finals!

The party gets underway at 11:00am, with three custom-designed Mardi Gras floats at 12:00pm which will arrive at the Tailgate site from the streets surrounding Wembley behind a rousing New Orleans marching band. Vibrantly coloured revelers on the floats will throw traditional New Orleans beads into the crowds to set the atmosphere alight and prepare fans for the big game in the stadium. Following behind the floats will be musicians including members of the Apache Mardi Gras Indian Tribe.
At 4:00pm the Tailgate Party will come to a close with the procession of the Mardi Gras floats from the Tailgate site into the stadium, where they will contribute to the pre-game entertainment.

The entertainment will spill over into the streets surrounding Wembley, with musical entertainment on Olympic Way and at Wembley Stadium Station, as well as the passing of the Mardi Gras parade floats through the surrounding streets before their arrival at the Tailgate party.

To apply for your tickets for this fantastic event all you need to do is email tailgateuk@nfl.com and include your name and Ticketmaster order number. You can find your Ticketmaster order number in the Ticket confirmation email you received from customer.services@ticketmaster.co.uk following your purchase of tickets. Your code should be in the following formats:

Click here to see an example of how Ticketmaster's order number would be presented on your confirmation email.

If your application is granted, you will receive the same number of Tailgate Party tickets as your Ticketmaster order for the Game. Tailgate tickets will be sent out in the same package as your Game tickets in early-October.




Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 05:35:54 PM
My pick 4 for today is;

Giants -7
Patriots -3
Cardinals -1 ?
Jaguars -4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 05, 2008, 06:34:28 PM
The Giants look absolutley awesome at the minute. Every bit the Superbowl champs. Eli Manning is making unreal passes under pressure. Jacobs is going well too. Falcons up 10-0 against the Pack, looking good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:17:53 PM
Bengals back in it against Cowboys!
Cards doing the stuff so far against the unbeaten Buffalo!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 05, 2008, 11:45:44 PM
Bengals - 16
Cowboys - 17

13mins left in 4th, C'mon Cinci
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:49:35 PM
feck i hate TO!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 11:58:35 PM
Bengals td :)
missed 2 pt conversion
24  22    Cowboys lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 06, 2008, 12:29:24 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 05, 2008, 05:35:54 PM
My pick 4 for today is;

Giants -7
Patriots -3
Cardinals -1 ?
Jaguars -4

Three up and one till go :)
Come on the Jags!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2008, 10:02:51 AM
I know the Lions are not good but 300+ passing yards for a Chicago QB with 2 TD's and NO INTERCEPTIONS! Go Bears! 3-2 and top of the division and could easily be 5-0. Importantly the defense is not on the field all the time. Could be a good year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2008, 10:06:52 AM
3-2 Cards. Take that Bills!!. Oh, and Mr. Cadle and co, The Cardinals first win of the season was on the road in San Francisco. They just cannot travel west to East. The Cards are now 2-1 against the AFC East, and beat the 4-0 Bills, and the 2-2 dolphins, who beat the Pats and Chargers.

Having said that, it could still be the Same Ol' Cardinals yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 07, 2008, 07:08:41 AM
Check out the block that Reggie Bush recieves on his way to a punt return touch down (2.22) - LAID OUT!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 07, 2008, 09:47:55 AM
Cardinals were impressive. Even without Boulden the passing game was working. They should consider themselves
play-off contenders this year.

But the player of the week for me is Seth Rosenfelds  :D

it was one of those "what the hell were you thinking" moments
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 07, 2008, 08:57:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 07, 2008, 07:08:41 AM
Check out the block that Reggie Bush recieves on his way to a punt return touch down (2.22) - LAID OUT!

http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=highlights)

i love monday night football! some game that, how many big missed calls tho. bush is some player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on October 07, 2008, 09:03:04 PM
Backed Minnesota for the Superbowl, thought they were doing ok, but their odds have went out
What is the story there?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 07, 2008, 09:47:58 PM
They're 2-3 and don't have a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 09, 2008, 05:05:21 PM
TICKETS FOR WEMBLEY HAVE DISPATCHED! BE WARNED! RETURN TO YOUR HOME IMMEDIATELY AND AWAIT THE ARRIVAL OF THE FEDEX DELIVERY PERSON!

Thank You
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 09, 2008, 05:09:51 PM
excitment growing!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 09, 2008, 05:28:32 PM
thats great can't wait heading over satuday week coming back tuesday really lloking forward to the whole event
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 09, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
what's everyones plans?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
I'm heading over Saturday morning, the 25th, and back on Monday the 27th. I hope to follow a similar pattern to last year in terms of pre match porter and all. Saturday night in Covent Garden area, Porterhouse and on to a late bar.

Sunday morning, up to the Green Man, near Wembley, which was very good last year. Cheerleaders, Barbeque, Beer and Merchandise of all NFL teams, (which is unlikely at Wembley itself, last year they just had Dolphins and Giants' gear).

If ye are around, I'll be the Biffo in Arizona Cardinals gear!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 09, 2008, 06:47:29 PM
Aye, we'll probably head to the Green Man,

I thnk this is going to be a really good game the more I thnk about it. Neither team is playing perfect, lots of turnovers, big plays, 2  potentially explosive offence, 2 suspect defences.  Cant wait.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 11, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
are the dodgers dead? hope they can come back. it'd be great to see them play the red sox just to make manny go back to boston. he'll get some reception there ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2008, 12:44:55 AM
Great win for the Cardinals they deserved that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 13, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Aye, seems like an exciting finish. Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers,lose while the Eagles beat the 9ers, Falcons beat the Bears (Ryan 301yds, Top NFC South). The Colts absolutley stomped on the Ravens as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on October 13, 2008, 01:41:06 AM
Go on the Falcons!!! That's some win. 14-2 season ahead :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 13, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 13, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Aye, seems like an exciting finish. Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers,lose while the Eagles beat the 9ers, Falcons beat the Bears (Ryan 301yds, Top NFC South). The Colts absolutley stomped on the Ravens as well.

4 games decided with 10 seconds or less thrilling weekend, Atlanta field goal killed my square for 1250.00 :'(



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2008, 09:34:37 AM
Savage result for the Cards. After giving away a 10 point lead with 2.40 remaining, I was sure they'd lose, but they even bucked the trend by losing the toss for OT, and still coming up with the win. Okeafor gave away a stupid offside penalty which allowed Folk the chance to make a 52 yard FG to tie, instead of a 57 yard attempt, but his sack on Romo in OT made up for it. Great win, and 4-2 heading for the bye week. Could it possibly be this year? As it stands they lead the NFC West, and have beated 2 AFC East teams, and 1 NFC East team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 13, 2008, 10:52:26 AM
Roller coaster final half a quarter watching da Bears last night. Stuffed on 4th and goal. Crazy missed FG by Atlanta after a monstrous return and a good stand by the Bears D. Then a drive that deserved to win the game put Bears in the lead only for Ryan's heroics to set up that winning FG and redemption for the Falcs kicker. Bears drop to 3-3 but could easily be better than that. NFC north is going to be tight. 3 home games coming and need to get fat on them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 13, 2008, 02:15:21 PM
Anyone's tickets for Wembley arrive yet? Ticketmaster sadly dont give a Fedex tracking number, it would have been useful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 13, 2008, 02:30:20 PM
What a day yesterday! Anyone who got a bet up with those results yesterday deserves some serious credit.

The cards, the rams, big upsets.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2008, 02:34:42 PM
The Cards have periodically done well against the Cowboys. I remember a few wins when I was a season ticket holder in the late 90s. The Cardinals actually beat the 'Boys in the playoffs in Dallas in 1998 with Jake Plummer, so I wasn't shocked with that result, although it was an upset. Arizona at home are quite good at times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 13, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
no doubt AZ, but with all the talk of this being the cowboys year I didnt see it coming! Let me know next time and ill cut you a share!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 13, 2008, 08:04:07 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 13, 2008, 07:17:44 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 13, 2008, 01:22:35 AM
Aye, seems like an exciting finish. Cowboys, Redskins, Panthers,lose while the Eagles beat the 9ers, Falcons beat the Bears (Ryan 301yds, Top NFC South). The Colts absolutley stomped on the Ravens as well.

4 games decided with 10 seconds or less thrilling weekend, Atlanta field goal killed my square for 1250.00 :'(


some kick under pressure all 48 yards of it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2008, 10:39:16 PM
Hopefully yesterdays excitment can carry into tonights Giants Browns game.  Giants going for 5-0! Are they the best in the league now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2008, 02:29:03 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2008, 10:39:16 PM
Hopefully yesterdays excitment can carry into tonights Giants Browns game.  Giants going for 5-0! Are they the best in the league now?

Only by record. The teams they beat have a combined record of 6-16.

Cinc   0-6
was   4-2
Stl     1-4
Sea    1-4

Week 8 they play at Pit then have Dal, Phi,Bal and AZ. If the win all those or only lose 1 game there, yes they are the best.

I know they can only play who they are scheduled against but it has been a cake walk so far.

In the mean time the Bears should be undefeated, look for a run at the end and the Bears tearing it up in the playoffs.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2008, 02:38:26 AM
Big injury in Big D.

Dallas quarterback Tony Romo could be out four weeks with a broken pinkie finger.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 14, 2008, 04:39:40 AM
GO BROWNS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 14, 2008, 05:01:02 AM
Giants 4-1 :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 14, 2008, 05:08:37 AM
At least the Red Sox were beat carmen  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 14, 2008, 05:19:57 AM
Yeah and LA :)
Anderson had some game for Cleveland! Bastard! >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 14, 2008, 10:18:43 PM
Pacman Jones suspended indefinatly, (month minimum)

Just gets worse for the Cowboys. The guy just cant keep out of trouble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 15, 2008, 07:52:57 PM
How tough are football players?

Would Romo do this?


Mesa State College lineman has pinkie amputated
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Trevor Wikre was willing to forgo a finger for football.

The Mesa State College senior offensive lineman fractured his right pinkie so severely in practice on Tuesday, doctors told him he needed immediate surgery. His season and career would be finished.

Instead, Wikre told them to amputate the finger. He's now missing a good portion of his pinkie.

"I'm just short one," Wikre said with a chuckle. "But this game means that much to me. This team means that much to me."

Wikre will miss the Mavericks' game Saturday at Colorado School of Mines, but will be back the following week — albeit with his finger covered in a cast.

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"Football is something that's been in my blood," said Wikre, who's from Berthoud, Colo. "It's something I have a passion for. The game quits everybody eventually — you want to hang on to it as long as you can."

Wikre was going for a block in practice when he caught his finger in a teammate's jersey. At first, he didn't give the ailing pinkie a second thought, thinking the sensation he was feeling inside his glove was a piece of tape that had simply slipped off.

But when he removed his glove, the bone was jutting out, and he was immediately sent to the hospital.

Doctors informed Wikre he would need surgery to insert a pin and that he'd likely be out for up to six months as the finger healed. He couldn't bear the thought of his career ending so abruptly, so he decided to forsake the finger.

"This was the best way to get me back out there," Wikre said. "There are worse things in the world — a pinkie is not that bad in my mind."

The four-year starter is still a little sore that he can't play this weekend. Mesa State, a Division II school in Grand Junction, Colo., has won its last three games, and Wikre didn't want to mess up the mojo.

"We've got a great team," said Wikre, who was an all-Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference player last season. "We've got to keep this rolling."

Instead, he'll mentor his backup on the sideline, shouting encouragement and advice.

"I'll be that big supporter," he said.

The 6-foot-3, 280-pound Wikre said he'll never glance back at his decision with remorse.

What's done is done.

"Never look back on the decisions you make," he said. "Everybody thinks I'm crazy, but anybody that loves sports and has had this camaraderie knows what it's like."

That's why he was willing to part with his pinkie.

"This will be a great story down the line," Wikre said.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 15, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
FOUR NEW TEAMS APPLY FOR IAFL MEMBERSHIP   

QuoteThe IAFL has received membership applications from 4 new teams who hope to play in 2009. With the upcoming strategic plan expected to focus on expanding the sport into new areas of the country, it is encouraging that 3 of the applications come from places where American football has never being played before. Each of these teams will now undertake the new members audit and a final decision on their status will be made by the end of next month. Successful applicants will most likely start playing in the DV-8s league. The IAFL would like to encourage anyone who is interested in joining these teams to contact them at the email addresses listed below. The applicants are:

Carlow Chargers email: itcchargers@gmail.com

Erris Rams (Mayo) email: michael@secondcityracing.com

Tralee Titans email: traleetitans@gmail.com

UCD Sentinels email: ucdaf@hotmail.com

good to see the irish league growing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 16, 2008, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 15, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
FOUR NEW TEAMS APPLY FOR IAFL MEMBERSHIP   

QuoteThe IAFL has received membership applications from 4 new teams who hope to play in 2009. With the upcoming strategic plan expected to focus on expanding the sport into new areas of the country, it is encouraging that 3 of the applications come from places where American football has never being played before. Each of these teams will now undertake the new members audit and a final decision on their status will be made by the end of next month. Successful applicants will most likely start playing in the DV-8s league. The IAFL would like to encourage anyone who is interested in joining these teams to contact them at the email addresses listed below. The applicants are:

Carlow Chargers email: itcchargers@gmail.com

Erris Rams (Mayo) email: michael@secondcityracing.com

Tralee Titans email: traleetitans@gmail.com

UCD Sentinels email: ucdaf@hotmail.com

good to see the irish league growing

That would be great if they set up a team in Erris would definately be interested in Joining be fcuk all use to them i suppose as i'm not 14 or 15 stone but sure i could be on the special (drinking ) team i suppose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 16, 2008, 09:51:42 AM
I played and Im just over 13 stone, and there are plenty lads smaller than me playing. One lad who I played with was 5 ft nothing but he was our best player, who absolutely hammered lads when he tackled. Size isnt that important in the Irish league.

Its not the size of the dog in the fight...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 16, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
London NFL tickets arrived today.. Good stuff..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 16, 2008, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on October 16, 2008, 02:02:02 PM
London NFL tickets arrived today.. Good stuff..

get them on ebay fast Rossie ;) :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 19, 2008, 02:26:14 PM
what about them sox!!!! game 7 tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2008, 02:30:45 PM
Fair play to them, they have certainley got the swagger back now!
Should be a good one tonight! Come on Tampa ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 19, 2008, 09:44:14 PM
Reggie Bush WONT be travelling to London due to a recurring knee injury against Carolina. Nuts

And the Rams kick the Cowboys ass. How about that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2008, 09:50:34 PM
What is going wrong in Dallas?
See some of the experts are blaming the HBO series Hard Knocks for being a distraction!
I think they are more like the Dubs, and that it is the press that hypes them up so much!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 19, 2008, 10:21:45 PM
Too many bad characters in one place, allied with too many key injuries, Romo, Newman, etc.

Green Bay are looking seriously strong if this is a return to form for Grant rather than just a big game against a Bob Sanders-less Colts D.

And Jack City are having a serious week too I think!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2008, 10:58:02 PM
Absolutely nuts game in Soldier Field finally settled by a 4th interception by the battered Bears secondary in the final minute. Once again Orton had a fine game passing ad though the running game was patchy at best its good that there's a bit of offence going on. Unfortunately the famed Bears D is struggling. Injuries are not helping and if they can get their guys healthy then some meanness may return.

A vital win against a division rival. Need to build on it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2008, 12:07:42 AM
Goooooo Jets :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2008, 12:10:37 AM
Raiders coach to blame this time!
Farve is something else, the abuse that man has taken during this game and to drive the Jets the length of the field in under a minute for the equalising kick!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2008, 12:41:10 AM
Raiders win in over time with a 57 yard field goal! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Janikowski has a kick like a fecking mule.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
If memory serves me right i think he was a 1st round draft pick which is unheard of for a kicker. Also explains why the Raiders are the Raiders,wasting a 1st round pick on a kicker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 09:39:08 AM
I think you are right Minder. He came out of Florida State, I think. He was a 'story' a few years ago. Parents in Poland or somewhere, etc etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 20, 2008, 10:10:23 AM
He has some kick alright, but a 1st round pick,  thats Al Davis for ya,

hopefully coaches will stop doing that stupid Time-out call before kicks,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 20, 2008, 10:11:08 AM
Bush missing the wembley game is a disaster.
Huge blow for both the fans and the marketing men
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 10:24:05 AM
It's a pity alright, but lets not lose the run of ourselves. The Saints will still have Brees, Colston, McAllister, Shockey et al, and no defense. The Chargers will have Rivers, LT, Chambers, Gates and no Defense. :D

It's all good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 20, 2008, 10:30:34 AM
Watching them last night Colston and Shockey are nowhere near match fit.
Still we should see more points than last year!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on October 20, 2008, 10:36:54 AM
We have Mike Karney to look forward to - he's Irish!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: Rossie11 on October 20, 2008, 10:30:34 AM
Watching them last night Colston and Shockey are nowhere near match fit.
Still we should see more points than last year!!

Yesterday's game was their first for a few weeks. They should be a bit better next weekend. I think this could be a good offensive game. A direct contrast with 13-10 last year. Added spice in that whoever loses the game will be 3-5, and in a big hole. 4-4 will still feel good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 20, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
I've never rated Jeremy Shockey highly, he is very prone to losing the ball. Giants are doing much better with Kevin Boss,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 20, 2008, 01:47:16 PM
How about them Tampa Bay Rays??

From worst team in the league last season to playing in the World Series this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2008, 01:47:53 PM
And all since they dropped the 'Devil' from their name. Allelujah brother!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 20, 2008, 02:18:51 PM
aw did the red sox lose?
that's a real pity

;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 20, 2008, 04:29:08 PM
Watched my first baseball game last night and quite enjoyed it, even if its a terrible sport.

Dissapointed the red sox lost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 20, 2008, 05:22:23 PM
could never get into the baseball - find it very boring

love the NFL though and watch it all weekend - makes monday nights a bit easier too

very intrigued by the NFC east this year - none of the supposed "in form" teams are doing anything worth talking about
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 20, 2008, 08:57:26 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 20, 2008, 04:29:08 PM
Watched my first baseball game last night and quite enjoyed it, even if its a terrible sport.

Dissapointed the red sox lost.

dont know what you've been missing puck!! great game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 21, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 20, 2008, 05:22:23 PMvery intrigued by the NFC east this year - none of the supposed "in form" teams are doing anything worth talking about

only the Giants  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 21, 2008, 03:35:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 21, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 20, 2008, 05:22:23 PMvery intrigued by the NFC east this year - none of the supposed "in form" teams are doing anything worth talking about

only the Giants  ;D

I'm a Giants fan now by association - my wife is from Long Island originally.
I like to think they won last year because I was "rooting" for them (that never sounds right does it?)
I can't see the giants winning again this year - they win but they don't look good in doing so.  They aren't the team they were last year and I see a shock winner of the Superbowl this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 21, 2008, 03:39:38 PM
I think the giants would qualify as a shock win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 21, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
Giants are currently favs
6/1

Pittsburgh 13/2
Titans 8/1
Chargers 10/1 (crazy should be at 20s)
Skins 11/1
Dallas Colts Eagles 14/1

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 21, 2008, 10:42:19 PM
49ers have fired Mike Nolan, I really thought they were going to turn it around with JT O'Sullivan but it hasn't happened.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 21, 2008, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 21, 2008, 10:42:19 PM
49ers have fired Mike Nolan, I really thought they were going to turn it around with JT O'Sullivan but it hasn't happened.

Now Mike Singletary is their Head Coach, "Samuri" Mike will put them through the ringer to get some wins.

Mike was the star linebacker for the Super Bowl Champs Chicago Bears in 85, pitty he wasn't asked to coach in Chicago as an assistant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=125

I have to say, it doesnt look like the ref was trying to get out of the way to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 23, 2008, 02:00:57 PM
Is the "International Series" at Wembley running for another two years? Went last year, cant go this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on October 23, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=125

I have to say, it doesnt look like the ref was trying to get out of the way to me.

ha ha superb!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on October 23, 2008, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 01:57:04 PM
http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=125

I have to say, it doesnt look like the ref was trying to get out of the way to me.

Have to say it doesnt take much to put the quarterback down :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 05:17:45 PM
Well you cant run through referee's, its a penalty even if its inadvertent. And that referee was an All-American linebacker in his day so its not like he ran into Michael Curley
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 23, 2008, 05:21:07 PM
what was the story there juice as you said it looks like the referee took him out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 23, 2008, 08:31:41 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 23, 2008, 05:21:07 PM
what was the story there juice as you said it looks like the referee took him out

looked like that to me too. some crowd at that game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 23, 2008, 10:37:21 PM
Well if you read the full article they decided that the referee was only protecting himself, but I dont know looks like he went to meet him. However you notice that the QB turns up field just a few secs before the collision so perhaps at full speed that might have been the case.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 23, 2008, 10:40:31 PM
Camera angles it must be, but from that angle it looks as if the referee is initiating the contact with a raised right shoulder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 24, 2008, 12:06:14 PM
so any of ye fancy meeting for a pint over the weekend?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 12:08:19 PM
If you're in the porterhouse on Saturday night, or the Green Man on Sunday, I'm always very open to having a pint and a chat :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on October 24, 2008, 12:28:01 PM
the drunk man in the cards top??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on October 24, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
Will be in Green man in Wembley on Sunday as well.
Looks like the spot to be
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 01:10:55 PM
If you're in the Fear Glas on Sunday, I'll be the one with the Edgerrin James Arizona Cardinals jersey. There's unlikely to be many of us! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 24, 2008, 01:52:59 PM
Well lads if ye are meeting up lets try and be more organsised than them 2 nordies and poor laoislad  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2008, 02:36:42 PM
If you're going to be around, send me a PM now and I'll PM you my phone number.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 24, 2008, 04:57:55 PM
I might be in the Green man, but I dont know what the schedule is. I'll be wearing a Falcons top anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 24, 2008, 06:35:10 PM
Heres a bit of interesting info, which country googles "american football" the most??   :D

http://www.google.com/trends?q=american+football
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:53:55 AM
What is wrong with the people who run baseball.  The so called world series game three to be played tonight is on the verge of being called off due to rain in Philly!
They have played over 2000 games during the summer and they make them play there final at the end of october in the cold and rain ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 26, 2008, 01:48:24 AM
And it doesn't rain in the summer?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:48:44 AM
You know what is worse me sitting for nearly two hours watching two fat guys sitting under a cover in the rain talking about the rain!!!
Here we go the third game in the baseball final is about to start, Philadelphia vs Tampa bay Series tied at 1 each! (not that anyone gives a toss!)
Nothing much else on?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:51:59 AM
The chances would be alot less!
Dont know about were you are, but here in NY you wouldnt put your wifes lover out in it! Fuckin Freezing and windy and wet! Reminds me of home :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 26, 2008, 02:31:10 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2008, 01:48:44 AM
You know what is worse me sitting for nearly two hours watching two fat guys sitting under a cover in the rain talking about the rain!!!
Here we go the third game in the baseball final is about to start, Philadelphia vs Tampa bay Series tied at 1 each! (not that anyone gives a toss!)
Nothing much else on?

PSU vs OSU is a great game on ABC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 26, 2008, 08:20:02 PM
I think its safe to say LT is back!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 27, 2008, 02:29:30 PM
Just back form London, What a game, it was brilliant, Drew Brees was awesome, even though Rivers got more passing yards he could thread needles with his passes Although that safety, I dont know who's idea that was but it looked it was intentional. Penalties killed the Chargers I think the lost about 140yds through indisipline. Shame about Reggie not being there but it was still great. Seats were great just on the San Diego forty about half way up the upper tier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 27, 2008, 09:28:43 PM
Did anyone hit the tailgate party?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 11:40:47 AM
Great weekend, and I managed to meet nobody from the board, apart from Lone Shark, but I do meet him in Ferbane :D

Got sidetracked out in the Stoop on Saturday, and ended up getting jarred out there, which meant I was too late to get into the Porterhouse. I think I did see bombidal from the street though, as the bouncers were throwing people out at closing time :D . I believe the brother kept the family name intact though :D

Savage stuff though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 28, 2008, 11:46:30 AM
QuoteAlthough that safety, I dont know who's idea that was but it looked it was intentional.

Was defo intentional.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 11:52:50 AM
It was intentional. It's a ploy you see being used a bit in the NFL, although not that often. Basically the thought process is that you don't want to risk a punt return for a TD, or a punt return that will give the opposition 2 plays within 30 yards of your end zone.

It was poorly executed though. Brees, by rights, should have made sure there was only about 2 or 3 seconds on the clock when he threw it out of the endzone. The way it went down gave the Saints the chance to return the 'Free Kick' and also get a Hail Mary off. They should have been in a position to do a kick to a non-returner and jump on him with only a couple of seconds left. Game over.

The first time I saw this was the Cardinals at home against the Giants I think. The Cards led by a touchdown with about 12 seconds on the clock, but had 4th down from their own 25. Plummer took the snap and ran like a rabbit to the endzone. The Giants all ran in after him and he scooted around until there was 2 seconds on the clock before stepping out of the back of the endzone.

The Free Kick was booted to a Giants linebacker on special teams, and he was tackled back at the Giants 40 with no time left, Game over. That's what they'd have been trying to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2008, 11:58:42 AM
Yeah the more I thought about it, it made sense, a blocked punt would have been a disaster, but having said that, Imagine if that hail mary was caught. I was hoping the saints would win but I was cheering for a Chargers comeback in the last quater and we got one,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 12:07:54 PM
As I said, the concept is sound, but the execution was dodgy. You need to be careful about putting points on the board for the opposition, and also be aware of the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 28, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
I don't know how much more time he could have burned off. Poor blocking meant they were really closing in on him when he tossed it away. Another second or two at best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 28, 2008, 01:07:41 PM
Another second or two would have meant no Hail Mary play. At that stage every second counts, literally.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2008, 02:33:49 PM
By the way, what happened with the intro. Big mess up of it with the siants coming out at midfield. Not that it mattered but it was one of those moments that made you wonder about the organsiation of the event. Also was Joss Stone boo-ed before she sang GSTQ?

I did my best to join in on Star Spangled Banner but Ne-Yo ( :P ) was doing his best to over-sing it. And I didnt know all the words either. So I just hummed loudly in parts. I'll throw a few photos up when I can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2008, 02:37:55 PM
By the way, Titans going 7-0, good going. Colts look like they wont threaten, they just arent connecting. The Pats are top their division and people were starting to say it on the tube going to Wembley, the Patriots are picking up momentum and are probably going to win the whole thing like we were afraid they would, only without Tom Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2008, 11:17:30 AM
You always got the feeling the teams dont want to be in London due to the travelling, logistics, giving up a home game etc.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c09adc&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 29, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Fair play to him for being honest. Probably not what Roger Goodell wanted to hear. It is a raw deal for both teams and considering the large operation that is NFL football teams its quite an achievement to move them over and back across the Atlantic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 29, 2008, 04:06:29 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 29, 2008, 11:17:30 AM
You always got the feeling the teams dont want to be in London due to the travelling, logistics, giving up a home game etc.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80c09adc&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

He's right about the pitch anyway but the pitch has been a disgrace ever since they finished the new Wembley and not just for NFL. They haven't managed to get a consistent surface down on it yet. It keeps cutting up.

In comparison those boys would probably kneel down and kiss the Croke Park turf if they ever get to play on it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bombidal on October 29, 2008, 04:46:01 PM
Brees mis managed the clock a couple of times on their last possesion. Was a bit shocked to see him do it to be honest. I for one wasnt running out to get a good seat in the pub ! As I said on another thread quality weekend. Who do we want to see next year ? Colts v the packers or patriots would be great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 29, 2008, 05:42:46 PM
Was Wembley full? Would it have been possible to pick up tickets on the day?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 29, 2008, 06:51:08 PM
over 83k at it - dont know if thats full or not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bombidal on October 29, 2008, 08:46:38 PM
all the tickets were sold but I did see a few hundred spare seats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 09:42:27 AM
Arizona Cardinals 5-3, every one else in the Division (Worst in football maybe) is 2-6.

3 game lead with 8 games to go. Only the Cardinals could screw this up. Oh.. wait.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 03, 2008, 09:51:38 AM
Da Bears limped to a very unimpressive win against whipping boys the Lions and will need to up it several notches for next week against the Titans who look impressive. Sadly Orton's injury means its likely Grossman will lost the game on his own next week. People might raise eyebrows at that statement given he threw for a TD and ran one in himself in the second half but this was against the Lions and he was chronic besides. Matt Forte got the job done. Mike Brown's injury again depletes a Bears secondary that's had a wild amount of injuries. The defense just isn't the same as it was. Still 5-3 and heading the Division is not bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 09:42:27 AM
Arizona Cardinals 5-3, every one else in the Division (Worst in football maybe) is 2-6.

3 game lead with 8 games to go. Only the Cardinals could screw this up. Oh.. wait.

No maybe about it........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 09:58:40 AM
AFC West is just as bad.

Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 09:58:40 AM
AFC West is just as bad.

Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs and Raiders?

Chargers are one of the most talented teams in the NFL but are playing gash, i will give you the other three though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 03, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
Well done to the Bungles fior picking up their 1st win. I like them and I wish they'd win something but they seem to implode everytime they improve. I've always like Palmer and Housmanzada (and #85 I've liked but he's gone down a bit in my estimation). Giants rolled over the Cowboys quite comfortably. If one thing this season has taught us it is imperitive to have 2 good QBs.

"Romo, Romo, where art thou Romo?"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 10:25:03 AM
Cowboys might be done. Playing in the NFC East is punishment. It's like Ulster :D

The Cowboys are bottom of the NFC East at 5-3. Looks like the Giants will win that division, and you could conceivably bottom of that division with a winning record. The AFC West and NFC West might end up with 3 teams below .500, and a winner just above it.

In fairness to the NFC West, at least the division leader is 5-3, the division leader in the AFC West is 4-4!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 03, 2008, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 03, 2008, 10:25:03 AM
Cowboys might be done. Playing in the NFC East is punishment. It's like Ulster :D

The Cowboys are bottom of the NFC East at 5-3. Looks like the Giants will win that division, and you could conceivably bottom of that division with a winning record. The AFC West and NFC West might end up with 3 teams below .500, and a winner just above it.

In fairness to the NFC West, at least the division leader is 5-3, the division leader in the AFC West is 4-4!!


there is a good few games to go yet
cowboys as much as I hate them will be back - Romo should be available in another two weeks
giants defense were excellent this weekend - manning was ok and Jacobs is a wrecking ball - I doubt Francie Bellew could even stop him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2008, 10:05:16 PM
Just announced on ESPN that Brady Quinn will start for Cleveland Browns in week 10.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2008, 10:05:16 PM
Just announced on ESPN that Brady Quinn will start for Cleveland Browns in week 10.



Good stuff, i always thought Anderson was a one hit wonder. He will probably be traded in the spring.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2008, 10:09:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 03, 2008, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2008, 10:05:16 PM
Just announced on ESPN that Brady Quinn will start for Cleveland Browns in week 10.



Good stuff, i always thought Anderson was a one hit wonder. He will probably be traded in the spring.

He will end up as a backup QB making over a million a year, not a bad gig.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 04:57:44 AM
How boring are Pittsburgh!!! Some defence though.
Steelers 23
Redskins  6

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2008, 05:06:15 AM
By the way for anyone that is interested Ben Roethilsberger was replaced in the second half by Byron Leftwich. Shoulder injury.
Leftwich looked the part, played well!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2008, 08:04:13 AM
Brady Quinn got his start last night, did alright, 23 of 35 passes, 239yds 2TDs and no Ints. But they still lost and blew a 14 point lead  :-\ 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2008, 10:09:54 AM
Great stuff Caitlin:

http://deadspin.com/5075170/patriots-other-young-cheerleader-follows-well+traveled-path-to-stardom#viewcomments
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2008, 02:18:59 PM
Just gonna throw out my picks for Week 10

NO  SAINTS beat ATL FALCS  - though I hope not

TEN TITS beat CHI  BEARS 

JAC JAGS beat DET LIONS

HOU TEXS beat BAL RAVENS

SEA SEA beat MIA DOLS

NE PATS beat BUF BILLS

NY JETS beat STL RAMS

CAR PANTS beat OAK RAID

PIT STEELERS beat IND COLTS

SD CHARGERS beat KC CHIEFS

NYG beat PHILLY EAGLES

ARI CARDS beat SF 49ERS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 08, 2008, 03:05:19 PM
Taking the Bears to beat the Titans along with Jets,Chargers and Cardinals.

Eagles vs Giants Sunday night should be interesting!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 09, 2008, 08:36:18 PM

NO  SAINTS beat ATL FALCS  - Wrong so far, thankfully

TEN TITS beat CHI  BEARS  - Right so far

JAC JAGS beat DET LIONS - Right so far

HOU TEXS beat BAL RAVENS - Right so far

SEA SEA beat MIA DOLS - wrong so far

NE PATS beat BUF BILLS - right so far

NY JETS beat STL RAMS - Very right so far,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 09, 2008, 09:26:28 PM
I would just like to say that Rex Grossman is useless and should never be let wear a Bears uniform again. What is he being paid to be that crap? Crunch game next week. Just have to hope Orton is fit to play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 09, 2008, 11:24:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 09, 2008, 09:26:28 PM
I would just like to say that Rex Grossman is useless and should never be let wear a Bears uniform again. What is he being paid to be that crap? Crunch game next week. Just have to hope Orton is fit to play.

agree totally magpie! What a joke he is! :(
Can anyone else see Tennesse going unbeaten?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 10, 2008, 12:20:23 AM
Anyone watching Chargers Cheifs?
Why not take the tie for overtime? kept the chargers season alive!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on November 10, 2008, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 10, 2008, 12:20:23 AM
Anyone watching Chargers Cheifs?
Why not take the tie for overtime? kept the chargers season alive!

yeah, WTF was that about, bad call!!

was delighted though, if Kansas hadnt missed the extra point in the first half it would have made some difference!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 10, 2008, 09:21:34 AM
Was too tired to stay up but watched the highlights this morning. Surprised by the Colts win, Drew Brees, threw 400+ yds again, will probably beat Marino's record but Saints wont make the play-offs. Great win for the Falcons, we have a really tough time of it to make the play-offs with Tampa and Carolina in good form to.

Gaints keep winning, I would rate them higher than the Titans mostly because of who they've beaten,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 10, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
QuoteAnyone watching Chargers Cheifs?
Why not take the tie for overtime? kept the chargers season alive!

They are 1-7 away from home with a chance to win the match against divisional rival.
I thought fair play to them for going for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 11, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
anyone see the game last night? Brilliant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2008, 03:29:56 PM
I didn't see it live, but I taped it to watch tonight. Go Cards!!!! 6-3, with 2 big games coming up against the Seahawks. The Dolphins holding on against the Hawks could be great for the Cardinals. They are 4 games ahead in the division now, but they have tough games upcoming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2008, 03:34:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 11, 2008, 03:29:56 PM
I didn't see it live, but I taped it to watch tonight. Go Cards!!!! 6-3, with 2 big games coming up against the Seahawks. The Dolphins holding on against the Hawks could be great for the Cardinals. They are 4 games ahead in the division now, but they have tough games upcoming.

They have possibly the best Offense and certainly the best set of receivers in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 03:35:00 PM
In all honesty - the NFC West is all but wrapped up for Arizona
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Fear Rua on November 11, 2008, 03:40:57 PM
I went to the Seahawks /Eagles game, great start for the home team, but really they are shite. Weiner dog racing at half time was interesting..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2008, 10:06:10 PM
NFC West is dire to be fair. 3 2-7 teams!

Any shoe-ins for the Pro-bowl?

Peterson, Turner, Portis, RB

Brees, Warner, Cutler for QB?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 10:09:24 PM
Could Warner be NFC MVP????  ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2008, 10:56:10 PM
Warner MVP, anything is possible. Its just wierd not to see the names Brady or Manning up in the rankings

by the way anyone ever look on this website, its gas

http://www.bangcartoon.com/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 11, 2008, 11:02:28 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?




No particular ranking just the top teams but it does tend to change from year to year

Eastern Conference

New York Rangers
Pittsburgh Penguins
Boston Bruins
Buffalo Sabres
Montreal Canadiens
Washington Capitols

Western Conference

Detroit Redwings
Chicago Blackhawks
Minnesota Wild
San Jose Sharks
Anaheim Ducks
Vancouver Canucks

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?




The Toronto Maple Leafs  8) :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 12, 2008, 12:14:26 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 11, 2008, 11:04:46 PM
Quote from: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?




The Toronto Maple Leafs  8) :D

Left them off on purpose Gabe   ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2008, 10:24:10 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80c6fce4

NFL in Surround Sound,

Wear headphones!

Listen out for McNabbs fan at 4:13  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 13, 2008, 10:27:30 PM
First bet in a while for Puck tonight

Jets money line
Jets Patriots over 41
Miami over virginia tech -4.5
Cleveland Cavs money line
Pistons Warriors over 200.5

10$ parlay, may pay 230$. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 14, 2008, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?

please refrain from mentioning ice hockey- this is a sports thread
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 14, 2008, 02:32:14 AM
The Pats are getting smoked
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 03:31:23 AM
Quote from: heganboy on November 14, 2008, 12:49:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on November 11, 2008, 10:11:08 PM
Any of you lads watch the Ice Hockey - who are the big teams ?

please refrain from mentioning ice hockey- this is a sports thread

Heganboy,
Hockey is one of the best sports in the world
Constant action, big hits, incredible skating skills and they let you fight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 03:53:51 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 14, 2008, 02:32:14 AM
The Pats are getting smoked

All squared up 24-24 with 10:00 minutes left        Good Game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 04:44:49 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 03:53:51 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 14, 2008, 02:32:14 AM
The Pats are getting smoked

All squared up 24-24 with 10:00 minutes left        Good Game

Jets go up 7 then New England ties it up with 1 second left!!

Jets get ball overtime drive down to the 19 yard Feely attempts 34 yrd Field Goal

and it is GOOOOOOOOOD  Jets win  GREAT GAME

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 14, 2008, 04:51:47 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 13, 2008, 10:27:30 PM
First bet in a while for Puck tonight

Jets money line
Jets Patriots over 41
Miami over virginia tech -4.5
Cleveland Cavs money line
Pistons Warriors over 200.5

10$ parlay, may pay 230$. Here's hoping.

Miami snaked ya.
tough pulling off a 5 play parlay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 14, 2008, 09:45:24 AM
what a big miss tom brady is
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 15, 2008, 11:13:50 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 14, 2008, 09:45:24 AM
what a big miss tom brady is

watched the match yesterday and in fairness to cassells he threw 3 tds for over 400 yards and had over 62 yards rushing so he couldn't do a lot more , however i do know that Brady is a big loss to my fantasy team :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 15, 2008, 12:34:47 PM
Jets V Giants super bowl...heard it here first  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2008, 11:17:55 PM
Eagles and the Bungles drew  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
7-3 Baby, 7-3. The Giants heading to Phoenix next weekend, which may well be 7-4, but the Cards are getting close to winning the NFC Worst for the first time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2008, 12:36:33 PM
Abject stuff from da Bears and a real head scratcher. How could they stop the Titans on the ground a week before but be totally ran over by the Packers? On the other side of the ball Orton wasn't at his best and inexplicably they stopped runnig the ball when they were having some success there. The Rams next week should offer a chance to steady the ship but the much vaunted and highly paid Bears D is in chaos. It seems the best man they had was Ron Rivera.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2008, 03:48:18 PM
I see Brandon Jacobs is out this weekend, Jamie Dukes and Rod Woodson giving the game to the Cards on NFLTA today as well.

Thinking about staying up for the Ohio-Pennsylvania game. Its always a hard fought game even if the Steelers are probably going to tear them a new ocho
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
Steelers look really good to me. What time will it be over at?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2008, 03:54:52 PM
probably 4:30am, Ill probably go straight to bed after work and get up at 1:30am.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 03:56:03 PM
The Giants game will be a reality check for the Cardinals. It will either be a wake up call, thinking they are better than they are at 7-3, or a real boost in terms of preparing for the playoffs. If they could pull off a win against the 9-1 Giants it would be a great statement, and would probably mean winning the division after 11 games, which is a real rarity in the NFL, even by NFC Worst standards. The Cardinals have two problems as far as being a serious, serious team. The first is they need balance in the offence. It's brilliant having Breaston, Boldin and MacGearailt at wide receiver, with Urban chipping in as well, and Arrington and Hightower as threats from check down passing plays, but the running game will need to be able to pound out hard yards against good pass defences.

The second, and biggest problem, is on defence. They are aggressive and mad keen to hit the QB, which is great, but they give up an awful lot of big plays, especially in the air, and you cannot give teams 40+ yard TD passes too often. With their aggression they tend to leave a lot of 1 on 1 matchups on the outside with cornerbacks, and they get burned a lot. If the pressure game is not causing bad throws, bad things happen to the Cards.

I'll be picking the Giants in Pick 'em, but I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2008, 03:57:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 03:53:12 PM
Steelers look really good to me. What time will it be over at?

That will be over at about 4.45. Usually about 3 hours for a regular season game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2008, 04:06:50 PM
Mmmmm. A bit too late methinks. The Juice's plan is a good one but can't see myself getting to sleep if I hit the cot at 6 ish. A good option if there was a game i was REALLY mad to see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 20, 2008, 04:10:01 PM
Its hard to faze Eli Manning though. (wouldnt have said that 3 years ago) He has to be sacked and stopping the Gaints running game will be no mean feat, I myself would dissagree with Dukes and Woodson. I think the Giants DL will find it easier to get to Warner than the vice versa
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 20, 2008, 09:35:09 PM
anyone know about getting tickets for the ny jets on the day out at meadowlands? i'm trying to get tickets for the jets/bills game on dec 14 but there are only crap tickets online. just wondering would there be any tickets for sale outside the ground on the day or is that a no no at nfl games...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2008, 09:53:42 PM
My brother was able to get them handy enough when they played Arizona at the start of October - might be a bit tougher now that they are in the thick of the playoff hunt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 20, 2008, 10:22:16 PM
thanks gab, i think thats what i'll try. going to the game with my brother but tickets online are all high up at this stage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 22, 2008, 04:29:55 PM
Well, here's hoping the Ohio State University sticks it to that team up north today, with snow up to my oxters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
see ohio st v michigan got voted best rivalry in the states lately (think it was usa today). there will be over 100,000 people at it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 23, 2008, 12:31:21 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 22, 2008, 08:26:27 PM
see ohio st v michigan got voted best rivalry in the states lately (think it was usa today). there will be over 100,000 people at it

Bit of a mis-match
Ohio 42
Michigan 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 23, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
Bretts Jets going well against the undefeated Titans
Would be a massive win if they hold on!
Farve threw his 500 TD aswell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 23, 2008, 09:14:16 PM
Anyone got a decent stream for the raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 23, 2008, 09:22:03 PM
Moss - holy b'jaysus.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 23, 2008, 09:44:13 PM
Owens with 213 yds receiving today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 23, 2008, 10:42:33 PM
what about them jets!! some lucky calls tho..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on November 23, 2008, 11:34:24 PM
The Giants are some team....no Jacobs and no Plaxico and still comfortable against Cardinals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 09:52:11 AM
How about them Falcons! What a win. It was do or die and we got it done. WE had a great first half but Carolina came out in the 2nd half and just marched unhindered up the field for a TD. Then gutsy call going into the "hurry-up" offence to regain momentum with Matt Ryan doing an excellent job at the controls. For me he has been the most impressive rookie QB I've ever seen in my years watching the game. He was able to change it up on the fly and make tough 3rd down plays. On the ground Michael Turner who has been the big difference this season kept the ball moving down field with some big plays and he's unstoppable in goal-line situations.

Carolina came back with a running TD from Jake Delhomme. On the way up the field JD was finding Steve Smith on almost every play. But thankfully the falcons kept ahead of their division rivals with another great drive by Ryan and Turner. Player of the game Douglas caught a pass and broke away only to be brought down inside the 5. Harry Douglas finished the game with 1 rushing TD, 92 recieving yards, 188 rushing yds and a TD on a punt return. That return broke Carolina spirits and the Falcons ran in another TD to make it look comfortable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2008, 12:43:59 PM
Matt Ryan is seriously impressive alright. He should be something special for years to come.

Bears back on track with an easy win against the brutal Rams. Huge challenges ahead though. Next week away to Minnesota is huge. A win there would set things up well with the Packers (c'mon New Orleans tonight!) to come to Soldier Field in December. Bears have struggled with Adrian Peterson so will obviously need to step up there but not leave the depleted secondary exposed. Orton broke a franchise record for consecutive pass attempts with no interceptions and while unspectacular isn't losing games as his predecessor did. Hester getting more involved on offense but his return game is gone to hell.

Giants look awesome. Their city rivals the Jets continue their good season. Favre is some boy but the supporting cast including Bears old boy Thomas Jones is not too bad either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:07:29 PM
The current play-off picture

AFC:
Home Field Advantage
1. Titans
2. Steelers

Divison Champs:
3. Jets
4. Bronco's

Wild Card:
5. Ravens
6. Patriots

Still in with a shot:
Bills
Colts
Dolphins

NFC:
Home Field Advantage
1. Giants
2. Buccaneers

Division Champs:
3. Cardinals
4. Bears

Wild Card:
5. Panthers
6. Redskins

Still in with a shot:
Falcons
Cowboys
Vikings
Eagles
Packers*
Saints*

*remove 1 after tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 01:21:29 PM
The Eagles are gone I'd say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
Yeah, on form  i would say they are, though not mathematically.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2008, 01:45:59 PM
Well that was a reality check for the Cardinals alright. I have to say though, reality is not that bad a place for them. They've definitely come on, but the reasons why they won't be a major force were there again.

When you play a good defence, Warner gets hit and his passes are naturally a bit off, but it was a credit to him, and the receivers, that they kept going. They scored more against the Giants than most teams will. The balance is not there though. Hightower getting 2 TDs is lovely, but when you are averaging less than 3 yards a carry, your passing offense is going to be much more dominant in terms of play calling than it should be, and good defenses can shut that down, and worse, hurt the QB.

On the Defensive side, I think it was glaringly obvious again that the blitz packages that leave the corners one v one need to get there. If they don't get there, then the corners are not good enough to defend man on man. Yeah, they'll get the odd pick, but too often they look completely lost and regularly get taken for 15-20-30-40 yard plays.

Still 7-4, and improving. It's a big ask to win in Philly on Thursday, because Philly is east of the Mississippi!!!, but it would be great to wrap up the division next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 24, 2008, 01:48:15 PM
Quote
Packers*
Saints*

*remove 1 after tonight
You couldnt rule out the packers even if they lose tonight. Would still only be 1 game behind.
Its win or bust for the saints tho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2008, 01:51:18 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on November 24, 2008, 01:48:15 PM
Quote
Packers*
Saints*

*remove 1 after tonight
You couldnt rule out the packers even if they lose tonight. Would still only be 1 game behind.
Its win or bust for the saints tho.

Yeah. The Pack will still be in the hunt if they lose tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2008, 01:45:59 PMStill 7-4, and improving. It's a big ask to win in Philly on Thursday, because Philly is east of the Mississippi!!!, but it would be great to wrap up the division next weekend.

Heard some stat yesterday - that teams in the west are 0-15 when they play in the EST time zone this season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:59:38 PM
By the way, what was the storey with the "unopposed kick" last night. Never heard of that rule before. It was a disaster anyway
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
You are allowed take a free kick at any time after a punt if the kick returner makes a 'fair catch' sign. It's basically the equivalent of a rugby penalty, but the kicker can't use a tee. Rackers bottled that actually, tried to hit it too hard, he can kick 60 or 70 yards no bother, but off a tee.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2008, 04:06:03 PM
the last successful one in the NFL was in 1968


and here's something for the Giants fans



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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 24, 2008, 07:41:06 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 24, 2008, 01:59:38 PM
By the way, what was the storey with the "unopposed kick" last night. Never heard of that rule before. It was a disaster anyway

Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2008, 02:14:02 PM
You are allowed take a free kick at any time after a punt if the kick returner makes a 'fair catch' sign. It's basically the equivalent of a rugby penalty, but the kicker can't use a tee. Rackers bottled that actually, tried to hit it too hard, he can kick 60 or 70 yards no bother, but off a tee.

explains it here.. about half way down the page
http://www.extremeskins.com/archive/index.php/t-139607.html

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 12:01:52 PM
Well The Saints keep their chances alive last night with a great performance. Drew Brees threw for 329 yds. I think he is still on track to break Dan Marino's single season passing yds record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 12:14:41 PM
Drew has 5 games left, has passed for 3,574 yds,

Dan finished 1984 with 5,084 yds.

Drew has to throw for more than 302 yds in each of the next 5 games to beat it.

Does anyone know how many games did Marino play in 84? It wasnt 16 was it? Which makes it all the more remarkable, much like Jerry Rices records
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2008, 12:20:23 PM
Marino would have played 16 games Juice. 16 Game season was introduced in late 70's (barring strike years obviously)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 25, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
What do ye reckon of cassells lads he has put just put back to back 400 yards passing games together something even brady hasn't done , he is a free agent at the end of the year, can ye see him staying there when brady comes back?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
I reckon Brees could do it so. They have Tampa Bay who he passed for 343 yds against already this season, then the Falcons who he passed for 400+ yds (still lost  ;D ), then the Bears who have been suspect on defense, then Detroit who I would imagine he'll put up numbers on and finally and crucially against Carolina (231 yds), which will probably have a huge impact on the play-off situation in the NFC South and will mostl likely decide if Brees breaks the record.

As for Matt Cassell, if they win the big one which isnt beyond them by any means he might stay, Brady could well be dropped if they think his knee is going to make him injury prone in the future, I would be surprised if both were still there next year. Most likely though Matt will go elsewhere
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 25, 2008, 04:01:47 PM
Brees could break the record, but the saints need to go 5-0 to have a chance at the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 25, 2008, 04:36:09 PM
From hearing Brees interview last night he is more interested in making the play offs than the record.

I reckon if the Saints go 5-0 they will win the division as they have 3 division games in there and the other
teams will take wins off each other.
A big ask and 22/1 with PP if you fancy it.
Cant see it myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 25, 2008, 05:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on November 25, 2008, 04:36:09 PM
From hearing Brees interview last night he is more interested in making the play offs than the record.

I reckon if the Saints go 5-0 they will win the division as they have 3 division games in there and the other
teams will take wins off each other.
A big ask and 22/1 with PP if you fancy it.
Cant see it myself.

Im sure he is more interested in making the play-offs. Im sure Dan Marino was thinking the same. I cant see them making it either. They might not beat any of the teams left on their schedule except for the Lions
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 25, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
If they protect Drew Brees like they did last night, and he throws the way hes thrown all season, and they get a bit of luck - they will do it.

Unfortunately only one of those three possibilities is an actuality.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 25, 2008, 05:59:47 PM
Well - if Deuce goes down to this suspension for the drug thing and Bush isn't fully fit - they'll have no choice but to throw the thing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 25, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 25, 2008, 12:20:23 PM
Marino would have played 16 games Juice. 16 Game season was introduced in late 70's (barring strike years obviously)

1978 was the first 16 game season....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2008, 02:28:22 PM
One year today

(http://i33.tinypic.com/2e4i82b.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2008, 03:37:54 PM
 :o No way, A year! My God, it definately doesnt seem half that time.

That was awful. I thought he was a great player, one of the best and feared secondary players in the league and he was only getting started.

RIP Sean
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 27, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
How shit are the Lions?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 27, 2008, 06:25:27 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
How shit are the Lions?

Uh, Very!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on November 27, 2008, 06:49:03 PM
It seems to be a Thanksgiving tradition that the Lions are on Sky Sports.... :'(
The 13 yards punt was particularly comical. If Rod Marinelli is not gone after this, I dunno what else he can do to top this shite!

Seahawks - Cowboys could be a no-contest too.

Hope the late game makes up for it......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2008, 09:25:28 PM
There is some talented players in Detroit. In Calvin Johnson at least. At least getting rid of Matt Millen was a step in the right direction. They have 3 of the top 33 draft picks next year. They just need to clear the decks of the players who arent good enough and the coaches that just arent cutting it. I'd really like to see the Lions go places, its hard to watch teams get badly beaten so often.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 27, 2008, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 27, 2008, 09:25:28 PM
There is some talented players in Detroit. In Calvin Johnson at least. At least getting rid of Matt Millen was a step in the right direction. They have 3 of the top 33 draft picks next year. They just need to clear the decks of the players who arent good enough and the coaches that just arent cutting it. I'd really like to see the Lions go places, its hard to watch teams get badly beaten so often.

They have had the top picks for many years now = not good. The upper management needs to pick lineman, worst O-line in the league. Doesn't matter if you have guys on the outside who run sub 4.4, if no one can protect your QB its over before it starts. Look for a whole new coaching staff for both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2008, 10:27:55 PM
well that was the problem under mllen they kept picking WR's, in the belief that John Kitna would be good once he had targets. But as you say. Getting the O-line right first is what they should have done and now they must do. Albert Hainesworth was walking through them today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 27, 2008, 10:35:17 PM
Calvin Johnson has the potential to be as good as Randy Moss, his numbers are exceptional when you think of the offense he is playing in and the QB's that have been throwing him the ball, Kitna, Stanton, Orholsky & now an overweight Culpepper. I read earlier today that a Tampa Bay personel executive said most NFL teams would swap their two starting WR's for Calvin Johnson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on November 27, 2008, 11:43:50 PM
Just give Johnson a 50/50 chance at a ball in the air and he'll do the business. But him apart......... An awful kick in the balls to be the supposed best/most valuable player in college football and end up in a rudderless shambles of an organisation like Detroit though. Hard to know where to statt with the improvements there.....its finger in the dam type stuff

Poor ol' Matt Hasselbeck is spending the night on his ass courtesy of the Cowboys......

Fair pressure on McNabb tonight in Phillie.......maybe given the Cards dislike of traveling east it might be an easier game but kits end of an era if he doesnt pull out a big game tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 29, 2008, 06:41:53 PM
BURRESS SHOOTS HIMSELF IN THE LEG, ACCIDENTALLY

Posted by Mike Florio on November 29, 2008, 11:05 a.m. EST

Multiple sources tell us that Giants receiver Plaxico Burress has shot himself in the leg.

Apparently, Burress was carrying a loaded gun.  And the gun went off.

The incident happened on Friday night/Saturday morning.  His condition currently isn't known.

Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com also is reporting this one, and he'll soon have a story up with additional details.

Though at this point the player's health and well being is the primary concern, what the hell was he doing with a loaded gun?

It also remains to be seen whether he faces charges for carrying the loaded gun, and whether he ultimately encounters scrutiny from the league for violating the Personal Conduct Policy.

UPDATE:  Glazer reports that Burress spent the night in the hospital, and that his injuries are not life threatening.  Per Glazer, the team is still gathering information regarding the incident.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on November 29, 2008, 07:06:43 PM
Me thinks Tom Coughlin wont be aiming for his leg if he gets hold of the gun...... >:(

Even though he's plainly a jackass, if its serious enough to keep him out long term he will be a big loss
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2008, 07:08:30 PM
What a dumbass. Giants passing game will be limited with out him. Why these guys need to be walking around with loaded guns i dont know. Was he out hunting?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 29, 2008, 07:10:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2008, 07:08:30 PM
What a dumbass. Giants passing game will be limited with out him. Why these guys need to be walking around with loaded guns i dont know. Was he out hunting?

He was in a nightclub apparently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2008, 07:12:23 PM
Aye, just heard that on NFL.com, bringing a gun to a nightclub, OK, I know its the US but you just have to wonder what sort of tool is he.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 29, 2008, 07:30:16 PM
Was sitting a few row away from him on Tuesday night at the Knicks ,Cavaliers. Wonder was he packing that night?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on November 29, 2008, 07:36:44 PM
Maybe NY & Coughlin might run out of patience with him after his previous misdemeanour in going awol in October..... If they do no doubt Jerry Jones will be lickin his chops down in Dallas at the thought of Burress with Pacman & the other screw ups ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 29, 2008, 07:39:07 PM
If the story is true it should see the end of him with the Giants.  Hixon has done well in his place on other occasions this season when burress missed through suspension or injury!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 30, 2008, 05:45:14 PM
Illegal handgun possession carries a mandatory 3.5 year prison term in NYC. His football career might be the least of Plaxico's worries, although I will be surprised if someone of his stature is actually charged. It will be a sad indictment of the justice system if he isn't.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2008, 05:50:58 PM
He may have got Antonio Pierce involved in it all now too with the gun and bullet missing!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2008, 06:14:06 PM
Great start by Giants!
Hixon with two nice third down catches.
Now the skins need to concentrate on the pass should open it up for Jacobs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 30, 2008, 06:40:51 PM
Seems like plaxico really has shot himself in the foot this time. Bit of a smoking gun. The knives will be out. He really stabbed antonio pearce in the back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 07:23:39 PM
Watching Saints @ Tampa. Not sure who I want to win as a Falcons fan. I guess Tampa Losing would help, as long as we do it against the Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 30, 2008, 09:45:32 PM
Well the Pack losing helps whoever wins the Bears/Vikes game. Bears will need to up it anotch if they're to pull this one out.

Its really hotting up now. Games seem to be getting more serious. Good stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 30, 2008, 09:59:05 PM
Games getting serious and mistakes magnified.. Brees INT which led to field goal has finished their season.
Packers giving up a huge play to Steve Smith cost them the game and are in big trouble now..
Panthers had 5 X 1yd TD runs..  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
Falcons doing well against the Chargers, apart from one fumbled punt return which handed them a TD the falcons could already be out of site. A few drops and overthrows in the Redzone. Chargers pass defense is non-existent.

Colts struggled past the Browns too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 10:14:29 PM
Commentators on Fox,

Oakland Raiders: Commitment to Excrement  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 30, 2008, 10:49:15 PM
touchdown san diego! 86 yards. game on
Title: !!
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 10:50:39 PM
shite!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 30, 2008, 10:54:53 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 10:14:29 PM

Oakland Raiders: Commitment to Excrement  :D

Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 10:50:39 PM
shite!

yep  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 30, 2008, 10:57:25 PM
Hard to believe the Falcons are doing so well. before the season started they were thought to be one of the least talented rosters in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 11:16:18 PM
Aye, Cant believe how good Matt Ryan is. I was cringing when I heard they gave a young QB a load of $$$$ but he hasnt been a Matt Leinhart, Ryan Leaf or Chris Simms.

Also Roddy White and Michael Finneran have palyed alot better than with Vick so too Norwood and of course Michael Turner has been a huge difference. On defense well John Abraham is healthy and doing well and a few others are starting to play alot better. Its mostly down to the coaching though. Good coachs in Atlanta now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 11:23:43 PM
Boooyaa!!

HD Harry Douglas, he's another one who's turned into something special.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 11:32:37 PM
Cheeky Bastards!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 01, 2008, 12:07:10 AM
Broadway Brett and the Jets are in trouble at home to Denver!
10 down 12 min to go  27 - 17
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 01, 2008, 12:10:36 AM
Make that 17
34 - 17!    >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 12:52:47 AM
Denver are looking very good. They almost have their division won. DOnt think San Diego are going to catch up.

NFC South is going down to the wire.

Atlanta have Saints, Bucs, Vikings and Rams: I reckon 2-2 giving a final record of 10-6
Tampa have Carolina, Falcons, Chargers and Raiders: I reckon 3-1 giving a final record of 12-4
Panthers have Bucs, Denver, Giants and Saints: I reckon 2-2, giving a final record of 11-5

Thats using my head. My heart reckons the Falcons can beat the Bucs and the Vikings too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2008, 10:42:14 AM
I was reading that Michael Strahan reckons at least half of the NFL players are "packing" when they go out for the night  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 11:06:48 AM
QuoteNew York City Friday Night

Plaxico Buress and hot girl dancing together,

Hot Girl: Oooh, Plaxico is that a gun in your pocket or are you happy see me?

Plaxico: Wait! dont touch.......

BANG!

Sorry I had to post it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 01, 2008, 03:05:50 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2008, 11:16:18 PM
Aye, Cant believe how good Matt Ryan is. I was cringing when I heard they gave a young QB a load of $$$$ but he hasnt been a Matt Leinhart, Ryan Leaf or Chris Simms.

Also Roddy White and Michael Finneran have palyed alot better than with Vick so too Norwood and of course Michael Turner has been a huge difference. On defense well John Abraham is healthy and doing well and a few others are starting to play alot better. Its mostly down to the coaching though. Good coachs in Atlanta now


Juice did you watch Ryan play for Boston college at all. IMHO he was the cream of last years crop, super composure in the pocket and a great arm.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 03:08:29 PM
No sadly I never get to see any college football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 01, 2008, 03:17:30 PM
I think the falcons pulled a master stroke. Faced with last years season they promoted a youngster instead of some washed up second string. I never doubted Ryan would make it unlike the prima donnas like Russell, leinhart and your man at the titans.  Another to watch for is hawaiis Colt Brennan. Not sure where he drafted last year but he was one of the heisman final 3 along with tebow from Florida and chase Daniel from Missouri, both still playing college ball this year.
Try espn360 for streaming video of live games, with the bowl season coming up there should be some crackers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2008, 03:25:25 PM
He went in either the 2nd last or last rounds of the draft.

The Redskins took him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 03:26:50 PM
Thanks for the tips. Ill keep an eye on them in the news so.

One college player I am looking out for is Michael Orr. He's an Offensive lineman. There was a book about him written "The Blind Side" its a very good read. He was picked up off the street by a family in Mississippi and has turned into a very successful college player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
Ouch!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaPPHcBm4ro&feature=related

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 01, 2008, 04:45:27 PM
 :o :o :o like getting hit by a train
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 04:53:09 PM
Nasty!

There's been quite a few big hits this year, mostly done by the Steelers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2008, 04:57:21 PM
Steelers DEF this year

QuoteAverage POINTS conceded
14.2
(1st)

Average TOTAL yards conceded
238.0
(1st)

Average PASS yards conceded
166.8
(1st)

Average RUSH yards conceded
71.2
(1st)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 01, 2008, 05:22:08 PM
"Im batman"

Ouch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2008, 06:20:30 PM
Patriots to play Bucs at wembley next october.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 01, 2008, 07:17:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
Ouch!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaPPHcBm4ro&feature=related



thats dangerous
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 08:05:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2008, 06:20:30 PM
Patriots to play Bucs at wembley next october.

is that a prediction, a hunch, a rumour or a fact?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2008, 08:21:28 PM
It's a fact

http://www.nfl.com/international/story?id=09000d5d80cf6117&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2008, 09:52:30 PM
Aye, just got an e-mail there. Should be a decent ol game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 07, 2008, 09:06:32 PM
Balls, despite Matt Ryan playing like a vetern and  throwing 312 yards the Saints win. Turner hardly got going Pierre Thomas was good though. Still this one may have cost us. we could have stopped them on some earlier drives and let some big runs through. We'll have to get some defensive talent in the draft

Eagles shocked the Giants in the Meadowlands, 20-14

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 07, 2008, 09:33:14 PM
It is a horrible, cold windy day in NYC (reminds me of Fr Tierney Park and a February league game!). The Eagles seemed to adapt better to it than the Giants, who never really got going. Maybe the whole Burress/Pierce thing had an effect too, so we'll have to see how they recover next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 07, 2008, 10:21:44 PM
eagles always play big against the giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 07, 2008, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 07, 2008, 09:06:32 PM
Balls, despite Matt Ryan playing like a vetern and  throwing 312 yards the Saints win. Turner hardly got going Pierre Thomas was good though. Still this one may have cost us. we could have stopped them on some earlier drives and let some big runs through. We'll have to get some defensive talent in the draft

Eagles shocked the Giants in the Meadowlands, 20-14



Double Balls. Was hoping the Saints would suffer a crushing defeat before their trip to the windy city on Thursday. Bears simply must win on Thurs. Minnesota struggled against the poor Lions today and face a trip to Arizona before the Giants so Bears still have a chance. A bit of a bungling win today but a win nonetheless. Hopefully Thursday is horrible in Chicago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on December 07, 2008, 11:25:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 07, 2008, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 07, 2008, 09:06:32 PM
Balls, despite Matt Ryan playing like a vetern and  throwing 312 yards the Saints win. Turner hardly got going Pierre Thomas was good though. Still this one may have cost us. we could have stopped them on some earlier drives and let some big runs through. We'll have to get some defensive talent in the draft

Eagles shocked the Giants in the Meadowlands, 20-14



Double Balls. Was hoping the Saints would suffer a crushing defeat before their trip to the windy city on Thursday. Bears simply must win on Thurs. Minnesota struggled against the poor Lions today and face a trip to Arizona before the Giants so Bears still have a chance. A bit of a bungling win today but a win nonetheless. Hopefully Thursday is horrible in Chicago.
And what has all this got to do with Sligo football sir?  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 07, 2008, 11:46:55 PM
A lot more intersting at the moment!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 07, 2008, 11:52:08 PM
L:ooks like the Jets are going down today aswell!
>:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 08, 2008, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 07, 2008, 11:52:08 PM
L:ooks like the Jets are going down today aswell!
>:(

So much for the Subway Superbowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 08, 2008, 12:25:28 AM
Thank God for Tony ROmo, the guy is useless. and he gives us a lifeline by throwing away the game vs the steelers. we're still in with a shout.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 08, 2008, 12:26:22 AM
Great end to the Steelers/Cowboys game. I really like the Steelers this year, think they will be hard beaten.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2008, 09:34:32 AM
I think the Steelers will win the superbowl. Their defence is unreal. The achilles heal is that Big Ben is line a Pinata back in the pocket. He's running for his life.

Dallas are a very hard team to like. They seem to be full of prima donnas apart from the likes of Whitten. Owens throws his toys out of the pram regularly if he isn't getting his 'love' while Tony Romo seems to blame everyone but himself.

What a game that was though, as was the Saints v Falcons. New Orleans should be a better team than they are, but that NFC South must be the best division in the league. It'll be a war tonight between the Panthers and Buccs as well. The season is getting interesting.

But all that is irrelevant compare to the really big news of the weekend. First time since 1975

(http://www.azcentral.com/commphotos/view/224134.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 08, 2008, 11:26:37 AM
Good stuff AZ, you're enjoying this season! Hopefully your Cards keep her lit now and help da Bears out. It's quite possible that Minnesota mightn't win another game this season and still win the division! They have Arizona (8-5), Falcons (8-5) and Giants (11-2) while the Bears have the Saints (7-6), Packers (5-8) and Texans (6-7).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2008, 11:46:55 AM
If the season ends now I'd be happy :D A Division title is small potatoes for the bigger teams, but when it's been so long coming, it's huge for Arizona. The fact that it is the NFC Worst doesn't diminish it to me, especially as the 49ers and Seahawks had decent performances against the AFC East yesterday.

The Cardinals are 5-0 in the Division, and 3-5 out of it. If the Cards cross the Mississippi then they are scuttered, unless Saint Louis MO is east of the Mississippi :D. The 3 non-division wins have been against the Cowboys, the Dolphins and the Bills, which are 3 decent wins, especially since the Bills and Cowboys were going well at the time. The 'gotcha' is that all 3 were at home. Only the Giants have beaten the Cards in Phoenix this year.

The flip side is they have taken heavy beatings from the Jets and Eagles on the road, as well as decent enough performances, but still defeats in Washington and Carolina.

So, at 8-5, and the Vikings, Patriots away (fuggedabatit) and the Seahawks to come, it could be 10-6 or 9-7 season this year, with a home playoff game. After that, the chances are that the Panthers, Buccaneers or Giants will lie in wait on the east coast, which is good night Irene.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 09, 2008, 06:34:41 AM
Dallas ready to implode?   read on.........


Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:42 pm EST

Jerry Jones is apparently tougher than Marion Barber
By MJD
At the very least, Mr. Jones believes he's in a position to question Marion Barber's toughness. Barber didn't play in Pittsburgh yesterday with calf and pinkie toe injuries, and Jones roundaboutly called him a sissy yesterday. From Star-Telegram.com:

Jones believed Barber's dislocated right pinkie toe was an injury that he could have played with against Pittsburgh. Before the team boarded for its flight to Pittsburgh on Saturday, Jones was stunned Barber did not make the trip.

After not practicing all week and with an additional sore calf, Barber felt he couldn't play. Jones said Barber could have taped and braced the toe well enough to allow him to play.

"He can play with that injured toe," Jones said. "He can play with the soreness and a combination of those things. I see nothing that led us to believe he couldn't."

That's a fantastic way to alienate a running back. I'd love to be there when Jones calls Barber into his office and says, "Awww, does him him a wittle pinkie toe boo-boo?"

I think it's usually best to tread lightly where another man's injury is concerned, especially for a guy like Barber, whose toughness, to my knowledge, has never been up for debate before. I'm sure Mr. Jones is frustrated after the loss, but unless he's dealt with the exact same injuries and performed the exact same tasks he's asking someone else to perform, it's probably not wise to call that guy a wuss.

I wouldn't count on that Barber/Cowboys relationship lasting a whole lot longer. If Jones thinks Barber's a sissy, and is willing to publicly insult him about it, I can't see him making Barber a cornerstone of the franchise, either. And I can't see Barber wanting to play for a guy who thinks he's Charmin-soft
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 09, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
Not the way to be doing things in public alright though I'd probably think Jones has a point. Finger and toe injuries might be sore but I'd think you could play with them most of the time. Should never of course run down part of the team in public - that's for behind closed doors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mattockranger on December 09, 2008, 12:16:16 PM
came across this campaign!! shows how desperate the knicks are to get a franchise player

hilarious!

http://nycforlebron.com/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 09, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
I think its fair to say that the knicks are just desparate...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 09, 2008, 06:15:23 PM
http://deadspin.com/5105195/hey-steve-have-this-souvenir-cup
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 10, 2008, 05:12:28 PM
any of ye watch the tampa carolina game on monday night good game can't think of his name but the tampa bay receiver ( i think) made some  one handed catch for a td, can any of ye boys post a clip of it 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on December 10, 2008, 05:28:28 PM
Here it is deel
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29735&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter
3.55mins in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 10, 2008, 09:44:09 PM
Pacmans career may be over, and it isnt gun or hooker related.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 11, 2008, 12:09:54 AM
Yeah, Pacman injured his neck.

In other news Matt Cassel wont be playing this weekend due to the passing away of his father. The Patriots have said he's left the teams training camp in San Jose and they are not sure when he'll return.

Sad to hear that, hope Matt can return to finish the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 11, 2008, 02:21:51 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 10, 2008, 05:28:28 PM
Here it is deel
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29735&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter
3.55mins in


thanks rossie fair auld catch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 11, 2008, 06:00:57 PM
Bears v. New Orleans tonight. Going to hit the hay after the dinner and get up and watch it and catch a few hours kip after it again. NO has a good offense but a shaky D so its all about how the Bears inconsistent Defense can manage. Gonna be cold in Chicago this evening and one of these team will be left completely cold by the end of the game in terms of post season ambitions. Go Bears!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 11, 2008, 06:09:49 PM
New Orleans are a totally different,and inferior,team outside a dome. Neither team can afford to lose. If New Orleans can generate enough offense they should win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 12, 2008, 04:29:54 AM
F@#king Bears can not hold onto a lead.

Olsen raped in the endzone, no penalty  ???

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 12, 2008, 04:42:20 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 12, 2008, 04:29:54 AM
F@#king Bears can not hold onto a lead.

Olsen raped in the endzone, no penalty ???



Finally !!!!

Gould MVP of Bears

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on December 12, 2008, 05:41:35 AM
Good result for the Falcons. Now to take care of the Bucaneers on Sunday!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2008, 09:43:22 AM
What was the final? I came in from the pub at half two, staying in the sister in laws house. Fumbled around in the dark for the remote control. Found it. Saw it was 21-7 and said I'm away to bed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 12, 2008, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on December 12, 2008, 05:41:35 AM
Good result for the Falcons. Now to take care of the Bucaneers on Sunday!!!

Yeah hopefully. Im worried though. They stuffed us last time. Kept us to 3 field goals, sacked Ryan 4 times + 3 INTs and held Turner to under 100 yards. At least its at home so hopefully we can do the business.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2008, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2008, 09:43:22 AM
What was the final? I came in from the pub at half two, staying in the sister in laws house. Fumbled around in the dark for the remote control. Found it. Saw it was 21-7 and said I'm away to bed.

Bears won 27-24 in overtime. I think it was a deserved victory but it looked like they'd blown it. How thew officials didn't call Olsen being manhandled in the endzone near the end of regulation I'll never know but it doesn't matter now. Great for the Bears to win getting so little from their offense in general and Forte in particular. He has 9 days now to get himself fixed up for a massive battle against Green Bay.

Worrying for Bears fans the amount of times the Bears start well and then hit a wall. At least last night they got it together in the end. Hester had a good night. Gould is just so reliable too. Orton was extremely unlucky with his first int (Rashied Davis, who seemed to be Grossman's favourite target) is just terrible. Threw a bad one later but his hobble into the endzone and last two drive mena he takes plenty of credit from the game.

Bears can still do this. Come on Arizona!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on December 12, 2008, 10:28:14 AM
Just about deserved Seanie. Real game of 2 halves. Saints were poor in 1st half and I dont think bears had a 1st down in
the 2nd half until the very last drive. The Saints, as they have done in many games this year, blew it by been too aggressive too early. They should have kicked the FG early in the 3rd instead of challenging the spot of the ball on the 3rd down.
Was good game to watch as you always felt there was a big play or a mistake coming from one team or another.
Orten took a huge risk looking for 1 last play with 7seconds left on the clock in normal time. The sack saved his ass!!

Saints are done for the year. They have lost 5 games by 5pts or less. Maybe if they had gotten Hartley in earlier in season they would have had another win or 2 with missed FGs costing them early in season. Hopefully Thomas will continue to progress for next season as they badly need balance on offence.
Fully expect the Bears to win their division. I cant see Vikings winning any of their last 3.
Warner will destroy them through the air on Sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 13, 2008, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 09, 2008, 01:46:38 PM
I think its fair to say that the knicks are just desparate...

They dont seem to be the only team in New York thats desperate for success!
The Yankees have just aquired two pitchers this week with a combined total of $243.5 million ::)

CC Sabathia agreed to a seven year $161 million contract
AJ Burnett has agreed to a five year $82.5 million contract
And now they have there hand out to the city looking for money while Bloomberg closes down the classes in the Fire department and Police department!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on December 13, 2008, 08:52:32 PM
Heisman trophy being awarded tonight isnt it? Is it being streamed live on any websites?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 13, 2008, 10:21:53 PM
www.espn360.com will show The Heisman live.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on December 14, 2008, 01:42:50 AM
Has to be Sam Bradford for me,

wouldnt be suprised with Tebow repeating though,
(Archie Griffin is the only one to do it twice isnt he??)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
Bradford wins it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 14, 2008, 08:43:36 PM
Christ the Falcons are making it hard for themselves.

dropped ball just outsde the End zone.

Blocked punt and it looks like we're fucked

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 14, 2008, 09:57:01 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2008, 09:56:48 AM
Bears can still do this. Come on Arizona!


Cardinals arent doing the Bears any favours. 21-0 after 1qtr to thr Vikes. hope the Giants dont take it easy on the Cowboys. We need them to lose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on December 14, 2008, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 14, 2008, 08:43:36 PM
Christ the Falcons are making it hard for themselves.

dropped ball just outsde the End zone.

Blocked punt and it looks like we're fucked



That was way too close!

Hopefully Broncos will beat the Panthers now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 14, 2008, 10:24:42 PM
Not looking good so far, Panthers up by 7. I'd presonally think we wont catch them but we should hope to stay ahead of the Bears Buccs and Cowboys. Either way we still need to win against Vikings and Lions to have a prayer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 14, 2008, 10:42:58 PM
Rivers on the blower. Is it too late for the Chargers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 14, 2008, 11:10:18 PM
(http://cache.thephoenix.com/secure/uploadedImages/The_Phoenix/News/News_Stories/broncos.jpg)

Awwww, The Denver Bronco's

Panthers 27 - Denver 10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on December 14, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 14, 2008, 10:42:58 PM
Rivers on the blower. Is it too late for the Chargers?

looking like a denver defeat this week, if they lose next week and bolts win comes down to the final week, couple of big if's but heres hoping!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 14, 2008, 11:48:49 PM
Steelers Vs Ravens is a nice slobberknocker. Lot of big hits and turn overs. I've seen statues in Knock that can move faster than Big Ben.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 15, 2008, 12:51:49 AM
Two good defences on show! But Big Ben still managed the win.
Cant see the Giants taking it easy on the Cowboys tonight! Jacobs going to be a massive loss for the Giants but its Dallas they are playing their, big rival!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 15, 2008, 02:58:07 PM
Arizona getting trounced by the Vikes was topped off by the feckin Cowboys beating the Giants to all but end the Bears playoff hopes. I just read the scenarios that need to happen and the most possible is Vikes to lose to Falcons and Giants as well as Bears to beat Green Bay and Houston. Bears have only themselves to blame for losing too many tight games and losing so many leads (are 99-44 ahead in first quarter this season).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 15, 2008, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 15, 2008, 02:58:07 PM
Arizona getting trounced by the Vikes was topped off by the feckin Cowboys beating the Giants to all but end the Bears playoff hopes. I just read the scenarios that need to happen and the most possible is Vikes to lose to Falcons and Giants as well as Bears to beat Green Bay and Houston. Bears have only themselves to blame for losing too many tight games and losing so many leads (are 99-44 ahead in first quarter this season).

magpie seanie just be glad we are not Detroit Lion fans, da bears still have a chance although it is slim.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 16, 2008, 02:38:40 PM
As it Stands:

QuoteAFC
1. Tennessee Titans     12-2
2. Pittsburgh Steelers   11-3
3. New York Jets         9-5
4. Denver Broncos        8-6
5. Indianapolis Colts      10-4
6. Baltimore Ravens      9-5

In contention:
7. Miami Dolphins           9-5
8. New England Patriots  9-5
9. Houston Texans         7-7


NFC
1. New York Giants          11-3
2. Carolina Panthers          11-3
3. Minnesota Vikings          9-5
4. z- Arizona Cardinals        8-6
5. Dallas Cowboys             9-5
6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers  9-5

Still in Contention:
7. Atlanta Falcons             9-5
8. Philadelphia Eagles        8-5-1
9. Chicago Bears              8-6

My Prediction:
QuoteAFC
1. Pittsburgh Steelers   13-3
2. Tennessee Titans     13-3
3. New York Jets         11-5
4. Denver Broncos        8-6
5. Indianapolis Colts      11-5
6. Baltimore Ravens      11-5


NFC
1. Carolina Panthers          13-3
2. New York Giants          11-5
3. Minnesota Vikings         10-6
4. Arizona Cardinals            8-6
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers  11-5
6. Atlanta Falcons             11-5
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on December 16, 2008, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 15, 2008, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 15, 2008, 02:58:07 PM
Arizona getting trounced by the Vikes was topped off by the feckin Cowboys beating the Giants to all but end the Bears playoff hopes. I just read the scenarios that need to happen and the most possible is Vikes to lose to Falcons and Giants as well as Bears to beat Green Bay and Houston. Bears have only themselves to blame for losing too many tight games and losing so many leads (are 99-44 ahead in first quarter this season).

magpie seanie just be glad we are not Detroit Lion fans, da bears still have a chance although it is slim.

Good to see im not alone. Was disgusted with that loss to the Falcons...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 20, 2008, 07:03:11 PM
Quote from: declan85 on December 16, 2008, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 15, 2008, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 15, 2008, 02:58:07 PM
Arizona getting trounced by the Vikes was topped off by the feckin Cowboys beating the Giants to all but end the Bears playoff hopes. I just read the scenarios that need to happen and the most possible is Vikes to lose to Falcons and Giants as well as Bears to beat Green Bay and Houston. Bears have only themselves to blame for losing too many tight games and losing so many leads (are 99-44 ahead in first quarter this season).

magpie seanie just be glad we are not Detroit Lion fans, da bears still have a chance although it is slim.

Good to see im not alone. Was disgusted with that loss to the Falcons...

Lets just hope the Falcons can keep it going by taking the Vikings tomorrow. It would be a sickener to finish10-6 and not make the playoffs after throwing away a few tight games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 20, 2008, 09:08:19 PM
spent the last few weeks in new york and i've never heard so much talk about the jets. before this you could live in ny for years and only be vaguely aware the jets existed - say what you want about farve (or broadway bret) he gets people going. the win against the bills was amazing stuff but the game everyone is waiting for is miami when chad pennington comes back to ny. should be one to stay up for as many are convinced that the jets should have stuck with the highly rated pennington... not me broadway bret any day!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 21, 2008, 06:13:44 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on December 20, 2008, 09:08:19 PM
spent the last few weeks in new york and i've never heard so much talk about the jets. before this you could live in ny for years and only be vaguely aware the jets existed - say what you want about farve (or broadway bret) he gets people going. the win against the bills was amazing stuff but the game everyone is waiting for is miami when chad pennington comes back to ny. should be one to stay up for as many are convinced that the jets should have stuck with the highly rated pennington... not me broadway bret any day!!

Not sure that that many people were unhappy to see Pennington leave. He was poor last year, eventually being ousted by Clemens, and he wasn't even named starter this season prior to the aquisition of Favre.

The Jets talk seems to have died quite a bit in the past couple of weeks. A month ago, after they beat Tennessee, all the hype was about an NYC superbowl, but the Jets have been poor since, only beating the Bills due to a very fortuitous late touchdown by the defense. The Giants are in a bit of bother too, and look like they're going to be almost completely reliant on Brandon Jacobs, assuming he stays fit, as the passing game just isn't the same with Burress not around to be double-teamed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2008, 08:11:14 AM
Make or break for the Chargers today. 2 weeks ago they were dead and buried at 4-8 and Denver on 8-4. At 6-8 and 8-6 they still have a chance and if Chargers win and Broncos lose, they meet next week as a decider.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 21, 2008, 01:48:48 PM
Anyone know where I can watch NFL in Cork? Here for the weekend and really dont want to miss the games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 21, 2008, 02:08:48 PM
Just about to head to the Raiders game. Not expecting much of a performance but can't wait for the tailgate party!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 21, 2008, 08:56:05 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 21, 2008, 01:48:48 PM
Anyone know where I can watch NFL in Cork? Here for the weekend and really dont want to miss the games

most of the pubs will have sky sports 3.. billy morgans is a good one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shortso79 on December 21, 2008, 09:12:39 PM
Titans have beat the steelers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2008, 10:42:04 PM
Chargers have dealt with the first part of the equation, won 41-24. Denver, however, are 3 up at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 21, 2008, 11:12:29 PM
Not looking good for the Jets. with the patriots and Dolphins both winning it is crucial they win this one.
Start of 4th
Seattle 10
Jets   3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 21, 2008, 11:29:02 PM
one more 4th qtr comeback please bret.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2008, 11:34:42 PM
Denver-Buffalo a real ding-dong.

23-20 to Buffalo now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
23-23 bollocks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 21, 2008, 11:46:10 PM
13 - 3 Seattle game over along with the Jets season. they have to beat the dolphins next week and hope Buffalo beat the Patriots! Cant see it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2008, 11:47:46 PM
30-23 - get in there Buffalo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:03:25 AM
2.43 left. Denver on the Buffalo 45. This is more nerve-wrecking than the minor grade three final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:08:57 AM
Denver on the 20.

1.16 left.

Denver on the 15. Last down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 22, 2008, 12:11:32 AM
Chargers still there!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:11:40 AM
Yahoo!

Chargers v Broncos next week - winner takes all. The greatest comeback or all in vain (outside Benburb).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:18:10 AM
You need to understand. Chargers were 4-8, 3 weeks ago. Broncos were 8-4. 4 games left. They were due to play each other on the last weekend as a graduation ceremony for Denver.

Now it's the feckin title decider. The momentum is with San Diego. 8-8 will be a crap winning record but sure didn't we bate Armagh 12-9.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 22, 2008, 12:23:44 AM
Its some turn around alright and this with LT playing well below his best! they could give it a go yet for they are no bad team!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 22, 2008, 12:25:30 AM
God Bless the Falcons, nice win. Now the Bears have to beat the Pack and a Vikings lose next week with a Bears win puts Da Bears in the playoffs. Holy crap is it cold outside.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:26:45 AM
Carmen - next week it's at 1.15pm over there - don't tell me that's in the middle of the night here?

(http://i1.chargers.com/assets/235/41047.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:30:38 AM
http://www.chargers.com/charger_girls/2008-2009-squad/

Disappointingly, some of them are from Orange County.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 22, 2008, 12:33:17 AM
Na 6 15 in the evening nicely!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:36:14 AM
It says it's flexible scheduling?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 22, 2008, 12:43:01 AM
They may move it for tv alright to prime time seeing its a title game, which will be the 8 00pm game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 22, 2008, 03:30:18 AM
Chargers and Broncos has been switched to the Sunday night game

8:15p EST
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 22, 2008, 04:38:03 AM
The Giants are back baby!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 22, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
Heading to the boozer tonight and when I leave about 12.30 the lads will be saying - isn't he wild sensible making sure he's ok for work in the morning! Home in time for Bears v. the Pack more like! Tough for Bears to beat Packers and Houston in last two but doable and to be honest if you can't do it you've no business being in the playoffs. Giants have to beat Vikes too cos there's no way, even with the favourable results so far, that Bears can make wild card spot. Raiders would have to beat Bucs as well as Philly taking Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lfdown2 on December 22, 2008, 04:25:36 PM
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CDiCxhtGMhc (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CDiCxhtGMhc)

Lets Go Chargers!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 22, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 22, 2008, 12:26:45 AM
Carmen - next week it's at 1.15pm over there - don't tell me that's in the middle of the night here?

(http://i1.chargers.com/assets/235/41047.jpg)

Jeez what do you know? I've been a chargers fan for years and I just didn't know it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 23, 2008, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 22, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
Heading to the boozer tonight and when I leave about 12.30 the lads will be saying - isn't he wild sensible making sure he's ok for work in the morning! Home in time for Bears v. the Pack more like! Tough for Bears to beat Packers and Houston in last two but doable and to be honest if you can't do it you've no business being in the playoffs. Giants have to beat Vikes too cos there's no way, even with the favourable results so far, that Bears can make wild card spot. Raiders would have to beat Bucs as well as Philly taking Cowboys.


The Bears have to get their heads out of their asses 14-10 losing to the Pack start of the 4th quarter.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 23, 2008, 04:57:12 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 23, 2008, 03:56:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 22, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
Heading to the boozer tonight and when I leave about 12.30 the lads will be saying - isn't he wild sensible making sure he's ok for work in the morning! Home in time for Bears v. the Pack more like! Tough for Bears to beat Packers and Houston in last two but doable and to be honest if you can't do it you've no business being in the playoffs. Giants have to beat Vikes too cos there's no way, even with the favourable results so far, that Bears can make wild card spot. Raiders would have to beat Bucs as well as Philly taking Cowboys.


The Bears have to get their heads out of their asses 14-10 losing to the Pack start of the 4th quarter.



Bears come back and win in OT  20-17  There is such a thing as Christmas Miracles  ;D :o :o

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 23, 2008, 09:23:39 AM
I really thought they were goosed at half time. Absolutely zero offense and defense beginning to creak (hope Mike Brown's injury is not too bad) but turned it around with some heroics at the end. A blocked FG with 18 seconds left and then Robbie Gould doing the needful in overtime.

My brother lives in Houston and the rest of my family have gone there for Christmas so my two brothers will be at the game next week. First year married so I'm with the in-laws! Actually at a wedding Sunday - will have to find a sneaky TV somewhere! Gotta hope the Giants don't send out the reserves against Minnesota cos defeats for the Bucs and Cowboys are unlikely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 23, 2008, 10:31:46 AM
any of ye lads watch the top 10 fullbacks on sky last night. Holy fcuk there were some tough motherfcukers some of the hits were unreal  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 23, 2008, 10:53:39 AM
No, but I like those Top10 programs. Who was on it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 23, 2008, 10:56:48 AM
Strictly speaking it wasnt fullbacks but "Top 10 Power Backs". Jim Brown was #1, Earl Campbell, Alstott, Bettis etc. Some commentator said if some of todays players got shampoo in their eyes they would miss two games ! There was a clip of Earl Campbell about to go in for a touchdown and a defender left his feet and piledrived him in the chest, the defender slid down him like a wet snotter and Campbell never moved before going into the endzone..............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 23, 2008, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 23, 2008, 10:56:48 AM
Strictly speaking it wasnt fullbacks but "Top 10 Power Backs". Jim Brown was #1, Earl Campbell, Alstott, Bettis etc. Some commentator said if some of todays players got shampoo in their eyes they would miss two games ! There was a clip of Earl Campbell about to go in for a touchdown and a defender left his feet and piledrived him in the chest, the defender slid down him like a wet snotter and Campbell never moved before going into the endzone..............


that was fecking unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 23, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
Yeah, Earl Campbell was unbelievable. He didnt seem to run to the gaps but towards players he could run through. Great player, Allstott was great too, played on some shite Buccaneers teams though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 23, 2008, 05:08:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 23, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
Yeah, Earl Campbell was unbelievable. He didnt seem to run to the gaps but towards players he could run through. Great player, Allstott was great too, played on some shite Buccaneers teams though.

Just seen Earl Campbell on ESPN a couple weeks back, the man looks like he is 70+ , both knees and one hip ruined. He has to have the largest thighs ever, all his power came from though massive tree trunks. But his main contribution to Football was his manners and his active work in charities which still continue today out of the spotlight.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 23, 2008, 06:39:26 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?categoryId=teams


great clip of the worst snowfall in seatlle in a decade (gotta scroll down to ny jets). still if its snowing and cold you'd think farve would have it won, but no. jets are in a big hole now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 23, 2008, 08:41:28 PM
Fcuk me - the Yankees liked spending money.

They've reached a deal with Mark Teixiera apparently - taking their spending in December to a whopping $423.5 million - on just 3 players
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 26, 2008, 02:03:59 PM
Fron Sky Sports, this about covers it all -  some weekend coming up...


It's already being billed as Shuddering Sunday - a final week of rare significance and huge games. And it's hard to disagree. In my 20 years of following the NFL, I can't remember a more competitive last day of the regular season.

If last week served up a gargantuan feast of ultra-spirited match-ups with much at stake virtually everywhere you looked, Week 17 is a gourmet's delight of more specific dishes featuring an incredible 10 contests of genuine play-off consequence, including three head-to-heads of laser-beam intensity.

(And that's without considering the ghoulish interest in seeing if the car-wreck carnage of the Detroit Lions can create history with the great anti-achievement of going 0-16 by losing at Green Bay).

But before we gallop merrily into the possibilities, let's cast a quick look back to see how we got here. Because last week's array of gridiron curiosities included yet more examples of the improbable and unpredictable that have been the hallmarks of the 2008 season. From almost the first minute (Jacksonville jumping into an early lead against Indianapolis before the Colts came roaring back to clinch their post-season berth) to the last (Chicago edging to their second successive overtime win), there was an almost surreal drama about the way the results unfolded.

Teams that had to win collapsed to unlikely defeats (Dallas, Tampa Bay, Denver, New York Jets, Minnesota and Philadelphia); others that were hanging on by their finger-tips somehow defied the odds to stay in the race (San Diego and Chicago). Dallas even went from doomed - following their Saturday night smackdown by Baltimore - to back on Salvation Road as the Buccaneers, Eagles and Vikings all improbably lost on Sunday.
Pressure cooker

New England piled up 47 points against play-off bound Arizona; Miami won an amazing shootout at Kansas City; and the Giants and Titans emerged the big winners after their top-seed showdowns with Carolina and Pittsburgh (and more of those later). So now we have the pressure-cooker scenario of 11 teams scrabbling for the remaining five tickets to the post-season, along with the little manner of half the division titles still being up for grabs. Breathless? You soon will be.

Start in the NFC South, where three teams are still alive and virtually everything remains unsettled. The Panthers (already guaranteed a play-off spot) can clinch the division title with a win at New Orleans. But, after last week's topsy-turvy episode, there are no guarantees, and there is the issue of the Saints' Drew Brees shooting for Dan Marino's record mark of 5,084 passing yards in a season. Brees needs 402.

If Carolina slip up, Atlanta can pounce and (incredible as it may seem) grab the number two seed and a first-round bye with a home win against St Louis. A Falcons victory really does seem a no-brainer here, so the pressure is on the Panthers. And then there is the little matter of Tampa Bay still looking to sneak into the play-offs and give the division an implausible three representatives. How might that happen? If the Buccaneers beat Oakland (which seems fair enough) and Dallas lose at Philadelphia (see below).

All those games kick off at 1pm over here (6pm GMT), along with three others of post-season impact. The NFC North will be decided as Minnesota entertain the Giants and Chicago travel to Houston, where two wins for the division rivals will see the Vikings crowned as champs and the Bears hoping for help from Philadelphia and Oakland. If Chicago win and the Vikes slip up, Lovie Smith's men are the number three seeds and Minnesota will be left to pray for Dallas and Tampa defeats. Got it? Let's move on.

The AFC East is another three-way slugfest, and New England will be first up (live on SS3 at 6pm) with a trip to schizophrenic Buffalo. The Patriots have piled up the points in recent weeks (178 in the last five) and could easily finish 11-5 - and miss the play-offs altogether. Only Denver (in 1985) suffered a similar quirk of fate but, if Miami and Baltimore win, the Patriots will be at home at January while teams with far worse records (and abilities - are you listening in Arizona and Denver?) continue to muddle on.

That concludes the early kick-offs, so we then move to the 4.15pm crowd (9.15pm in the UK), and a crowd of chaotic proportions. While the Pats will have concluded their business, the Dolphins and Jets go head-to-head in one of the most eagerly-awaited collisions in recent years (as I indicated last week - and live on SS3). With Chad Pennington returning to the club who spurned him in favour of star import Brett Favre, it's hard to imagine a more delicious sub-plot to a game with so much at stake.

Miami turnaround

The scenarios for this are (relatively) simple. A Miami win sees them advance as the AFC's number three seed - and complete one of the biggest turnarounds in sporting history from their dismal 1-15 disaster zone of 2007. However, Favre and the Jets can still CLAIM the division (if they win and New England lose); GET IN as a wild card (if the Pats win but Baltimore lose); or MISS OUT completely if Pennington completes his revenge mission. At which point the hot seat under Eric Mangini is likely to turn positively hellish.

Therefore, while that heavyweight trio battle things out, the Ravens also need to take care of business at home to Jacksonville. Win and John Harbaugh's men are in as the number six seeds; lose (which is hard to imagine against these Jaguars) and they could see a promising season slip through their fingers.

Another major head-to-head showdown features two teams who have been absolutely impossible to predict in recent weeks as the Eagles take on Dallas. Last Saturday night it seemed a fair bet the Cowboys (and head coach Wade Phillips) were heading for the last round-up as they were battered by Baltimore. Then along came Sunday evening and a performance of pure feebleness from Philly at Washington. Game back on. Now Jerry Jones' expensively-assembled desperadoes can ride into The Linc and steal a wild card spot with a victory. Or Donovan McNabb can summon up his Dr Jekyll persona (instead of last week's Mr Hyde) and topple their arch-rivals to leave Texas in deepest dudgeon.

However, the Eagles' own hopes of sneaking in to the post-season party will already have been decided by the earlier kick-offs, hence there may be a very different attitude among Andy Reid's team depending on those results. To have their fate back in their hands, Philly will need defeats for Tampa Bay and either Minnesota or Chicago. At which point, the frigid Pennsylvania air will become supercharged for a winner-take-all clash.

Finally, we come to the day's piéce de resistance, a one-off showdown (on SS3 at 1.30am on Monday) that, realistically, should never have happened. Five weeks ago, an in-form Denver were 6-4 and facing games against no-hopers Oakland, Buffalo and Kansas City; San Diego were a wobbly 4-6 and facing four play-off teams in their final six. Game (and division title) over? In any year other season than this, almost certainly. But this is NFL 2008, when anything (apart from a Detroit win) is possible, and now we have a simple duel.

The Chargers can shake off half a season of despair and close defeats (including their infamous 39-38 Week Two upset by the Broncos when ref Ed Hochuli's blown call cost them the game) with a win, an 8-8 record and the AFC's number four seed. Equally, Mike Shanahan's outfit can redeem the recent ignominy of defeats by the Raiders and Chiefs by completing the double over their division rivals and limping into the play-offs at 9-7.
Predictions

Those are the basics of what's at stake on Sunday, a labyrinthine sequence of intrigue and possibility in shoulder pads and helmets. As to how it will all actually shake out, that is anyone's guess. I gave up predictions in about Week Four when my Super Bowl line-up of San Diego v Dallas looked fairly laughable (along with my tip of Green Bay to win the NFC North). But, for those who like a laugh, here's how (I think) I can see things going:

AFC: Tennessee and Pittsburgh as the top two seeds; then New England, Denver, Indianapolis and Baltimore. Which means the Patriots will win, the Jets will beat Miami (and still miss out), Denver will again leave San Diego broken-hearted and the Ravens will comfortably see off the Jags.

NFC: NY Giants and Carolina as the top two; then Minnesota, Arizona, Atlanta and Dallas. Which means the Vikes will take advantage of a second-string Giants team, Carolina and Atlanta both finish strong, and Dallas sneak in by finally showing their mettle at Philly.

Which, of course, sets up the possibility of a repeat of last week's epic Titans-Steelers and Giants-Panthers match-ups in the two Championship games, a truly mouth-watering prospect after the way those four genuine heavyweights set about each other. Except that history says the top two seeds hardly ever meet. But then, this is 2008.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 06:51:06 PM
Is O Neill away to bed yet for the big game tonight??
Hoping for a Buffallo win so the Jets can get a sweat
Detroit 14 down already looks like a perfect season for them!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 28, 2008, 07:07:32 PM
Good luck kicking a FG in Buffalo today

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 07:11:29 PM
what happened?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 28, 2008, 07:13:24 PM
Can't believe it's on at that time. Not a chance I'll be able to see it (haven't really slept in 3 days due to influenza bug sweeping the house.)

I think the momentum will see the Chargers over the line. The win against Kansas 2 weeks ago cannot be in vain (21-10 down with 1.19 left on clock - 2 touchdowns  - to win 22-21).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 28, 2008, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 07:11:29 PM
what happened?

60 mph winds in Buffalo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 07:28:33 PM
Think your right! Chargers indeed have the momentum but Shanahan is a good motivational coach and will have Denver ready.  
Alot of talk about this game over here, so i am looking forward to it.

So this also could possibly be future Hall Of Famer Brett Farves last game, hopefully not. Patriots dont seem to be getting it all their own way against the Bills.

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 28, 2008, 07:17:52 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 07:11:29 PM
what happened?

60 mph winds in Buffalo
Maybe that explains it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 08:29:27 PM
Detroit level with Green Bay End of third!
Come on Detroit!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 08:56:54 PM
Things looking on the up for Philly :o Minn,Chicago and now tampa trail Oakland! If all three lose philly can go through with a win at home to Dallas how sweet would that be!!
Anything could happen yet but!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 09:06:40 PM
Vikings win
Panthers win both on last second Field goals!
God knows whos in and whos not ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 09:09:56 PM
Pittsburgs Ben Roethlisberger stretchered off today!
What the fu was he doing on in a meaningless game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 09:15:10 PM
Worked out for Philly
Eagles Cowboys now winner goes through!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 28, 2008, 09:22:44 PM
are the jets definitely gone now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 09:25:05 PM
They can go through with a win and a Baltimore defeat!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 28, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
thanks carmen, farves got a few more hours of life so
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 28, 2008, 09:54:15 PM
ravens behind!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 10:53:16 PM
Ravens Lead By 10 at the half!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 28, 2008, 10:54:50 PM
jets are dead, i wonder if that brets last game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 10:55:48 PM
Its looking like it. He seems to be hurt aswell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 28, 2008, 11:08:19 PM
pity, maybe he'll go out with a win tho their back up 15-14. great qb but not the last few weeks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 28, 2008, 11:12:22 PM
Mother F%$#^ng Bears, Oakland wins and looks like Dallas will lose, blew a huge chance today. :o :'(
They have not looked like a playoff team in weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 28, 2008, 11:24:54 PM
Eagles 41
Cowboys 3
still 8 mins to go in 3rd   
keep it going Philly cant beat them by enough! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2008, 03:41:53 AM
Looking good for O Neill and the Chargers
They lead 38 13 with just over 9 mins to go in third.  They are looking good for a good push in playoffs!

So this is whats left!

AFC playoffs
Colts vs San Diego/Denver
Baltimore vs Miami   Byes Tennessee, Pittsburg

Nfc playoffs
Atlanta vs Arizona
Philadelphia vs Minnesota Byes Giants, Carolina
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2008, 03:45:07 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2008, 03:41:53 AM
Looking good for O Neill and the Chargers
They lead 38 13 with just over 9 mins to go in third.  They are looking good for a good push in playoffs!

So this is whats left!

AFC playoffs
Colts vs San Diego/Denver
Baltimore vs Miami   Byes Tennessee, Pittsburg

Nfc playoffs
Atlanta vs Arizona
Philadelphia vs Minnesota Byes Giants, Carolina

Would like to see Philly vs Tennessee but more likely   Indy vs NYG

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2008, 03:55:45 AM
I am Going for a Manning Final!

Oneill you missed a good one, you would have enjoyed this game!
San Diegos Sproule is something else!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2008, 04:08:30 AM
Just catching the last quarter. Wha odds would they have been 4 weeks ago!!

No side will want to meet them now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2008, 04:24:03 AM
3 weeks ago they were 75/1 for Super Bowl!
Is Tomlinson badly injured?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2008, 05:49:07 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 29, 2008, 04:24:03 AM
3 weeks ago they were 75/1 for Super Bowl!
Is Tomlinson badly injured?

No, why keep him in when the game is over.........look at Pitt with Big Ben going down.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2008, 06:14:31 AM
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New York Giants    12/1     2/1
Tennessee Titans    30/1     4/1
Pittsburgh Steelers    18/1     9/2
Carolina Panthers    60/1     11/2
Indianapolis Colts    6/1       11/2
Philadelphia Eagles    45/1     13/1
San Diego Chargers    10/1     13/1
Baltimore Ravens    125/1     14/1
Atlanta Falcons          150/1     15/1
Minnesota Vikings    38/1     20/1
Miami Dolphins          150/1     30/1
Arizona Cardinals     45/1     40/1
Event Date: 02/01/09
Updated Sun Dec 28 11:54 PM EDT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 29, 2008, 02:51:42 PM
Colts - Eagles Superbowl

I'm calling it now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 29, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
In light of my last post


Let's take a look at some of the preseason predictions we made

Quote from: Minder on September 01, 2008, 02:55:37 PM
As the season starts on Thursday i think everyone should get their spake in. Predictions for Conferences, Super Bowl Winner and Rookie of the Year please......

AFC - San Diego Chargers
NFC - Dallas Cowboys
Super Bowl San Diego Chargers

Rookie Of The Year - Mc Fadden - Oakland Raiders

Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 01, 2008, 07:42:12 PM
AFC             Jacksonville
NFC             New Orleans
Super Bowl   New Orleans

Rookie         Matt Ryan Atlanta

Quote from: mc_grens on September 01, 2008, 11:01:45 PM
AFC- Bolts
NFC Cowboys

Superbowl- Bolts

Rookie- Matt Ryan

Quote from: AZOffaly on September 02, 2008, 10:40:06 AM
I'm going to go a step further. Can't wait for Thursday night, and especially London in October. Go Cardinals!

NFC
North
1st - Minnesota
2nd - Pack
3rd - Da Bears
4th - Detroit

South
1st - N'Yaleans
2nd - Carolina
3rd - Manchester United
4th - Atlanta

East
1st - Cowboys
2nd- 'Skins
3rd - Noo Yawk Giants
4th - Eagles

West
1st - Cardinals (yeah right)
2nd - Seahawks
3rd - Rams
4th - San Fran.

AFC
North
1st - Browns
2nd - Steelers
3rd - Ravens
4th - Bungles

South
1st - Colts
2nd - Jags
3rd - Texans
4th - Titans

East
1st - Pats
2nd - Noo Yawk J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets
3rd - Buffalo
4th - Dolphins

West
1st - Bolts
2nd - Black Hole
3rd - Broncos
4th - Chiefs


AFC Wildcards
Jags & Jets

NFC Wildcards
The PAck and the 'Skins


AFC Champions
San Diego Chargers

NFC Champions
New Orleans Saints

Superbowl Champions
San Diego Chargers

Quote from: thejuice on September 02, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
Its almost immpossible to predict.

AFC: San Diego

NFC: Green Bay Packers

Superbowl: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......Packers, why not.

Rookie: Chris Johnson: Tennessee

or JaMarcus Russell  ;)

Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 02, 2008, 01:36:06 PM
AFC : San Diego
NFC: Minnesota Vikings

Superbowl: Minnesota Vikings

DROY: Glenn Dorsey
OROY: Matt Ryan

Quote from: Rossie11 on September 02, 2008, 02:13:17 PM
AFC

Division Winners:
Patriots
Pittsburgh
Colts
San Diego

Wild cards:
Cleveland
Jags

NFC
Cowboys
Seattle
Saints
Vikings
Wild cards: Philly Carolina

AFC Champs: Colts
NFC Champs: Philly (hope its Saints tho)

Superbowl: Colts

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 02, 2008, 02:52:05 PM
AFC: San Diego Chargers

NFC: Dallas Cowboys

Superbowl: Chargers

Rookie of the Year: Jonathan Stewart (Carolina Panthers)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 29, 2008, 04:03:01 PM
Gab someone hacked into my account and posted that. Chargers may not be too far away if they continue the way they are going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 29, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
Mangini fired.

Falcons Vs Cardinals, think we can beat them, They've had the foot off the pedal for the last few weeks so i think we can do it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 29, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
Mangini fired.

Falcons Vs Cardinals, think we can beat them, They've had the foot off the pedal for the last few weeks so i think we can do it!

Romeo Crennell Cleveland Coach fired

Rod Marinelli   Detroit Lions Coach fired

More to follow ;)


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 29, 2008, 09:02:03 PM
so where is Cassell going to land?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 29, 2008, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 29, 2008, 09:02:03 PM
so where is Cassell going to land?

A team would need to be careful not to throw Matt Schaub type money at him as he wont have Randy Moss or Wes Welker to throw the ball to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 29, 2008, 09:05:54 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 29, 2008, 09:02:03 PM
so where is Cassell going to land?

A team would need to be careful not to throw Matt Schaub type money at him as he wont have Randy Moss or Wes Welker to throw the ball to.

"IF" he was to leave New England I would see interest from Seattle, Tampa Bay, Minnesota, Detroit, San Francisco, Cincinnati, New York Jets, Kansas City, Jacksonville and Da Bears.

Team with the biggest need for QB would be NYJ or Cincinnati.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 30, 2008, 01:24:05 PM
saw a news flash that brady may be out for next year too as a follow up for a new knee op.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 30, 2008, 01:43:43 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 30, 2008, 01:24:05 PM
saw a news flash that brady may be out for next year too as a follow up for a new knee op.

Ya heard a story about this a month ago from a person that does security at Florida Gator games,  the Patriot owner was down watching the Gators play with special interest in Tebow the Gator Quarterback. The security person knows Kraft from Dolphin stadium,so when he inquired on the reasons for attending the Gator game Kraft told him that Bradys knee was in very bad shape and that he might never return.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2008, 02:26:17 PM
Another bloody middle of the night game.

Experts seem to give Colts the nod, some predicting them to go the whole way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 30, 2008, 05:31:43 PM
QuoteNEW YORK–Matt Ryan is more than the face of the sensational turnaround by the Atlanta Falcons. He also is the best member of a superb rookie crop, earning The Associated Press 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award Tuesday.

The quarterback from Boston College, selected third overall in April's draft, was a landslide winner in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league. Ryan became the third quarterback in five years to win the award; before that, no QB ever took the honor.

He joins Ben Roethlisberger (2004) and Vince Young (2006) as top rookie quarterbacks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 30, 2008, 05:59:48 PM
Ryan Clady,the offensive linesman for Denver has been as impressive. Obviously a qb will get more hype and media coverage, Ryan has been impressive but Michael Turner has been a huge help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 30, 2008, 11:04:10 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 29, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 29, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
Mangini fired.

Falcons Vs Cardinals, think we can beat them, They've had the foot off the pedal for the last few weeks so i think we can do it!

Romeo Crennell Cleveland Coach fired

Rod Marinelli   Detroit Lions Coach fired

More to follow ;)




Mike Shannahan Denver coach fired today  :o, having 7 running backs on IR didn't help  ::)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 03, 2009, 09:43:43 AM
I see that Peyton Manning has been selected as MVP for the 3rd time. What do ye think of that choice? Just wondering what wages would matt ryan be on as a rookie Qb? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
What time would I need to be getting up at to watch the second half tonight?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 03, 2009, 05:37:21 PM
Chargers/Colts game starts at 1am our time. Usually lasts about 3 hours so second half would be starting just after 2.30am I'd guess. Looking forward to all 4 games. You could argue for any of the teams but I'll go for Atlanta, Indianapolis, Miami and Minnesota.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 03, 2009, 09:19:34 PM
Just announced that LT has a detached groin tendon from the bone :o, they are going to try it out before the game to see if he can cut and run.......doesn't look good for San Diego or LT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2009, 09:21:09 PM
Massive disappointment. Dejavu v Patriots last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 03, 2009, 10:08:42 PM
Falcons getting ate a alive

SHIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 03, 2009, 10:48:16 PM
Back in it Baby! 14-10, Micheal Turner TD. C'mon Falcons
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 03, 2009, 10:55:19 PM
The Falcons Def needs to step up and this game will be theirs.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 03, 2009, 10:58:54 PM
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2009, 12:36:21 AM
Keith Brooking You Tool!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 04, 2009, 03:48:10 AM
anyone else noticed how well "endowed" :o :o  the charger cheerleaders are?

It would be worth it if the chargers get through just to see them again ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 04:03:47 AM
What a sack for the Chargers!! Some punt that got the Colts pinned back to the 1 yard line!
Cheerleaders are unreal!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 04:06:17 AM
Should be in good enough position to get a Kick!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 04:10:12 AM
Will Manning have enough time left now to get them within range for a winner??
Great game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2009, 04:11:35 AM
Tie game. If Darren Sproles landed a few inches further Chargers would have won. Good game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 04, 2009, 04:34:09 AM
Colts giving the game away with penalties
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 04, 2009, 04:36:33 AM
it's over johnny

SD 23  Indy 17

Man of the game Sproles

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2009, 04:36:45 AM
Sproles with the game winner. Big upset! Chargers arent even that great!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2009, 04:39:22 AM
Ya bloody hoo! Only got seeing the end of the 4th plus overtime.

The Chargers are boiling nicely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 04, 2009, 04:40:10 AM
thats a great win for the officials in overtime, beating Peyton Manning and the colts. Oh hang on the chargers, I meant the chargers, they were definitely also on the field when the officials won the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2009, 04:50:34 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 04, 2009, 04:40:10 AM
thats a great win for the officials in overtime, beating Peyton Manning and the colts. Oh hang on the chargers, I meant the chargers, they were definitely also on the field when the officials won the game.

What decisions do you think they shouldn't have got and why?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2009, 05:13:57 AM
I wonder if that's the end of LT for the year?

The defence are getting their act together for the first time this year....roll on next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 04, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 04, 2009, 04:40:10 AM
thats a great win for the officials in overtime, beating Peyton Manning and the colts. Oh hang on the chargers, I meant the chargers, they were definitely also on the field when the officials won the game.

Thought the officials made the right calls in OT! Great win for the Chargers and the 5ft 6 Sproles!
So no Manning Bowl!
Chargers got lucky alright on a few first down calls, it seemed the chains were on the field alot, and how many times did the Chargers make it by inches!


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
So that's me 0/2 in my predictions. Every chance I'll go 0/4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2009, 08:47:44 PM
Any word on LT's injury? You cant imagine the "real" LT standing watching..............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2009, 09:19:19 PM
Miami out. 4 intercetions thrown by Pennington. So I'm now 0/3 on my predictions with the dodgiest prediction to come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 08, 2009, 01:46:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 04, 2009, 09:19:19 PM
Miami out. 4 intercetions thrown by Pennington. So I'm now 0/3 on my predictions with the dodgiest prediction to come.

typical pennington

looking forward to eagles giants ahhhhhhhh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 08, 2009, 01:55:14 PM
go on the Eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 08, 2009, 11:54:28 PM
Tomlinson confirms torn groin tendon, says status is doubtful

Running back LaDainian Tomlinson confirmed Wednesday that he has a torn tendon in his groin and listed himself as doubtful for the San Diego Chargers'  AFC Divisional Playoff Game at Pittsburgh on Sunday.

"It's definitely torn," Tomlinson said after sitting out Wednesday's practice. "I can't really elaborate on it because I don't want to give too much information away."

Tomlinson was hurt during a 52-21 rout of the Denver Broncos in the Dec. 28 regular-season finale as the Chargers clinched the AFC West title. The team has listed him as having a strained groin.

"If it was a strain, I'd be able to play with it, trust me," Tomlinson said. "A lot of guys have strains."

Reports surfaced before  Saturday's wild-card victory over the Indianapolis Colts that Tomlinson detached a tendon that connects one of his groin muscles to his pubic bone.

Tomlinson started against the Colts but came out after scoring on a 3-yard touchdown run early in the second quarter. With Darren Sproles filling in, the Chargers won 23-17 in overtime.

Tomlinson said this injury has been tougher than any he has ever had during his eight-year NFL career.

"It feels like something is tearing away from my leg. That's how I know that it's messed up because before, when I've had groin injuries, I haven't felt that," Tomlinson said. "Whenever you feel a popping or like it's tearing, that's usually not good."

NFL teams don't give an injured player's status until Friday. But Tomlinson said his status is doubtful, meaning there's a 75 percent chance he won't play against the Steelers.

"That's pretty much what I feel like I'm at," Tomlinson said.

Has he been ruled out of the game?

"No. Not yet," he added.

If the Chargers keep winning, there might be a chance Tomlinson could return.

"I think it's possible," he said. "I'm never going to rule it out. I'll have to start to feel much better, though."

Tomlinson said there's a chance he could make the injury worse if he continued to play "and do some of the things I have to do. Who knows how much? Once again, I don't even know if it's going to require surgery."

Tomlinson had a 13-yard gain on the first play from scrimmage Saturday night, but he said his leg was dragging.

"That's why I said earlier that that game was just all pure determination of trying to just push it and trying to do as much as I could and go. But it was clear from the first carry that I couldn't pick my leg up and explode and it did feel like it was dragging."

While happy with the team's success, Tomlinson said it's frustrating dealing with another injury in the playoffs. Last season, he sprained his left knee in a divisional game against the Colts, then aggravated it and missed the final three and a half quarters of the AFC Championship Game loss to the New England Patriots.

"I don't think anybody can know the frustration, to be honest with you," Tomlinson said. "It's tough dealing with it. I really sometimes just want to go home and just stay at home and lock myself up and not even go into public, just because all my life, all I've ever wanted to do is play football and, you know, win a championship. And to feel so helpless, to be at this point where we have a chance to do it and again, I can't do anything about it, I can't play, it's like I'm being punished for something. It's tough to deal with."

Limited early during the season by a toe injury, Tomlinson gained a career-low 1,110 yards this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 09, 2009, 12:08:02 AM
College football Final tonight.

Florida Gators -5 1/2
Oklahoma Sooners + 5 1/2

Have a few bob on Florida. Should be a good game. Fingers crossed :-\

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2009, 12:04:51 PM
See the Eagles are trying something different :)

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2009/01/calling_all_playoff_beards_eag.html (http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2009/01/calling_all_playoff_beards_eag.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 10, 2009, 12:36:17 PM
wanted to see that college game. dont have NASN though, waas it good? dont think the eagles will make it past the Giants even with the magic beards
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
Tebow was the man!
He threw 18 of 30 for 231 yds, but most impressive was his running for 109 yds , 80 or so in the second half which inspired all around him!
Some people were saying he was the 4th best quarterback at college level ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 10, 2009, 10:56:10 PM
Very intense and hard hitting game between Ravens and Titans.  7-7 halftime.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 01:22:53 AM
Titans go out and only themselves to blame, to many turnovers!
Carolina with great start
7-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 01:57:09 AM
Great reply from Arizona!
Start of second quarter Cardinals lead 14-7

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 11, 2009, 03:24:17 AM
Cardinals Def is tearing it up :o :o :o.   27-7 3rd quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 11, 2009, 03:30:07 AM
Don't think it's over yet 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 03:49:09 AM
Thats it now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2009, 07:13:17 PM
C'mon Giants, beat those dirty eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 08:29:11 PM
Official word has just come in from Pittsburgh that the Chargers have deactivated RB LaDainian Tomlinson for today's game against the Steelers due to his lingering groin injury. The Chargers had planned on making Tomlinson a game-time decision after he missed practice all week and was listed as "doubtful" on Friday's injury report. Tomlinson played just over a quarter in last week's overtime wild-card win over the Colts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2009, 08:59:47 PM
They will need someone to spell Sproles, he will not be able to carry the ball 20-25 times and return kicks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 11, 2009, 09:19:28 PM
the giants need a miracle..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 11, 2009, 09:21:47 PM
Good win for Philly- NYG were brutal- Eli was off his game, as bad as he's been this season.
Reid totally outclassed Coughlin, the challenges weren't even close...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shortso79 on January 11, 2009, 09:22:47 PM
Come on Steelers !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2009, 09:25:47 PM
Yeah, Giants had a mare, especially Eli. I know im not a huge Philly fan but I think Donovan McNabb deserves to win a Superbowl. So Eagles Vs Cardinals in the NFC championship game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 11, 2009, 09:29:03 PM
The Giants are fucked without Burress. His absence has allowed the Eagles in both games, and several other teams recently, to focus all of their defensive effort on the runners, particularly Jacobs. The Giants had nothing down the field and never looked close to getting a touchdown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 11, 2009, 09:47:31 PM
0-3 home team  :o, can it be 0-4?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 11, 2009, 09:50:04 PM
2 minutes into the game 7-0 Chargers  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
Deadly!

Great run from the wee man too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/videoplayerpopup/channel/384870
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 10:04:56 PM
Some response - best TD of the year. 7-7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 10:34:58 PM
Willie Parker destroying the SD defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 10:43:53 PM
Do it for Marlina:

(http://i1.chargers.com/assets/235/41038.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 10:46:11 PM
Chargers do it for me! In a bar full of steelers fans!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 10:48:51 PM
Think this is a game too far. Steelers gradually grinding them down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 10:53:50 PM
Don't think so! Going to the wire this one!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 10:56:45 PM
Even at 1 yard on a 4th down these feckers don't take a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 10:59:24 PM
Good kick!thought chargers were unlucky with the call against them with that long reception!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 10:43:53 PM
Do it for Marlina:

(http://i1.chargers.com/assets/235/41038.jpg)

Sweet Jesus, those are great tits.

Good game though. that fake punt was lunacy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Bucked now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:09:33 PM
That was a bit easy! Don't give in oneill!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:09:58 PM
Bollocks.

14-10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:10:34 PM
Parker's ripping the Chargers up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
Rivers going to have to try more passes the run will not work against stellers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
Rivers going to have to try more passes the run will not work against stellers!

Yet the run is working wonders for the Steelers. LT's absence being felt now. Rivers seems a bit hesitant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:24:51 PM
Good game all the same! The **** from fintona with me wearing a chargers jersey! Hope we get out of here ok!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:36:29 PM
All to easy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2009, 11:39:28 PM
Der fukked now biys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:41:43 PM
Can you believe that! Omg!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:48:34 PM
Pittsburgh are a better side.

Where'd she hide that feckin whiskey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:54:37 PM
Some quota of mistakes from the Chargers used up tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2009, 11:59:26 PM
Not looking good for the chargers now!pittsburg offense line very strong if they can hold them to field goal now they still have chance!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2009, 11:59:37 PM
Should Steelers go for the win or take the FG?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2009, 12:00:16 AM
Take you ridin' in my car, car

Take you ridin' in my car, car

brrrrrrupp brrrrupp brrruppp brrrppppp brrrp

brrrrrrupp brrrrupp brrruppp brrrppppp brrrp

game over,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
ok, here we go. 2 TDs needed to win the game in the last quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:08:01 AM
Ah bollocks to that. No TD since the 3rd minute of the first quarter. Don't deserve to be even close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:11:37 AM
Humiliation complete. 28-11
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2009, 12:14:28 AM
hate those pass interference calls, i think just 10 yards and automatic 1st down is enough, not bringing them right up to the goal-line
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2009, 12:23:49 AM
That was more like it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:24:30 AM
28-17. 9 mins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2009, 12:25:09 AM
plenty of time left,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2009, 12:33:55 AM
Parker can't be stopped!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:35:03 AM
Steelers are making hay with every play now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:36:25 AM
There she is.

Last year was the best chance the Chargers had of a superbowl.

35-17
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Game over! Taking a lot of abuse! Eagles for super bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2009, 12:41:39 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 12, 2009, 12:37:32 AM
Game over! Taking a lot of abuse! Eagles for super bowl!

you in pittsburgh??

Steelers - Eagles superbowl would be cool.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:47:25 AM
Rivers throwing at will now and it's working. Just a pity he froze earlier on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:52:59 AM
Holy Jaysus - why didn't they do that earlier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:59:54 AM
Twas a good run. To go from 4-8 to the quarter finals effectively without the main man for most of the last 2 games was enjoyable. Back to the McKenna Cup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 01:06:34 AM
Will bow out til next season with one last look at Tamara:

(http://i1.chargers.com/assets/235/41030.jpg)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2009, 01:18:33 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2009, 12:59:54 AM
Twas a good run. To go from 4-8 to the quarter finals effectively without the main man for most of the last 2 games was enjoyable. Back to the McKenna Cup.

Tyrone were beat as well, tough day for ye!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2009, 09:24:23 AM
Wahoo, got 2 picks wrong in my Fantasy predictions, but I was never so happy to be wrong. The Cardinals turned in a proper playoff performance, after a hapless opening defensive effort, all the way until the 'prevent' defense gave up another TD in garbage time. We sneer at the NFC West, but the Cards have now beaten the best two teams in the NFLs best division, the NFC south, including a rare away win. Great stuff out of them, and it's all a bonus for the Cardinals now.

The Eagles did them a favour as well, and even though they'll be favourites against the Cardinals, the fact that it's in Arizona rather than in New York against the Giants is a big factor. Donovan McNabb is the type of lad that you can rattle, and if the Cards can somehow shut down Westbrook, they'll have a chance. Philly's Defense is very good, so the Cardinals will have to persist with the run game, even though they're likely to get very little joy from it. But they can't allow the Eagles to tee off against Warner, or to double up on the Wide Receivers. They need to make sure the Eagles keep 7 or 8 in the 'box' against the run.

The games I got right went to script I thought. The Chargers were always going to be a little short of the power required to take on the Steelers in Pittsburgh, and the Steelers running game and their defense stepped up when it was needed. Ron Rivera has done a much better job with the Chargers defense though, if he was there at the start of the season the Chargers would have been more like 10-6 or 11-5 rather than 8-8.

The Ravens and Titans was dour and conservative, as advertised, but the Ravens will be hard beaten as well. I still think the Steelers will win it, but the one thing I'd worry about from their perspective is the offensive line. If the Ravens shut down Willie Parker and Mwelde Moore, Roethlisberger will be running for his life in passing situations, because the Steelers O-Line looks like their waving at lads going past them at times.

It's hotting up though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2009, 02:27:23 PM
There has to be some Irish blood in that fella Larry Fitzgerald

Maybe you could get him lining out for the Biffos, AZ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2009, 02:27:23 PM
There has to be some Irish blood in that fella Larry Fitzgerald

Maybe you could get him lining out for the Biffos, AZ

He is probably the best WR in the NFL now, him and Boldin are some combination. Boldin may be struggling though for the NFC championship game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2009, 09:10:52 PM
Tony Dungy retiring - press conference in 45 minutes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2009, 09:15:16 PM
Aye was reading the other day that he was leaning towards it, his family are living in Tampa and he commutes during the NFL season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2009, 02:52:38 PM
Tickets for Wembley 09 on sale next wednesday. Great timing, just after christmas and before most people get paid. Wow, real considerate. Why do they even bother selling them so early in the year anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2009, 11:09:39 PM
Jon Gruden fired by the Bucs.............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2009, 01:10:41 AM
f**king hell. Surprised. If they didnt have so many shit QB's they might have achieved more. But then again Maybe they were Grudens choice, do we know?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 17, 2009, 07:51:21 AM
T.O may soon be out of Dallas



Dallas Cowboys' Owens again the hot topic

10:27 AM CST on Thursday, January 15, 2009


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IRVING – The Cowboys have yet to have full internal discussions about their personnel going into 2009, but Terrell Owens' future will be among the topics.

The Cowboys have to determine whether he is part of the answer as they look to end a 13-year stretch without a playoff win or part of the problem that led to them missing the postseason in 2008.

Not only will the Cowboys have to solve the Owens mystery, they will have to make salary-cap decisions on strong safety Roy Williams, who will count $6.62 million in 2009, and outside linebacker Greg Ellis, who will count $6.25 million. Several decisions on free agents-to-be also loom.

But Owens, who will turn 36 in December, is clearly the hottest topic, as highlighted by an ESPN.com report that cited sources stating the Cowboys will consider cutting the wide receiver.

Owens had his third straight 1,000-yard season with the Cowboys in 2008, but he had only two games with more than 100 yards. His 69 catches were the fewest he's had in a full season since 2000, when he earned his first of six Pro Bowl berths. He had six games with three or fewer catches in 2008 after having nine games with three or fewer in his first 31 regular-season games with the Cowboys.

There is also the issue of locker room chemistry, even if Owens denied an ESPN report in December that he was jealous of tight end Jason Witten's relationship with Tony Romo. At different points last season, Owens questioned offensive coordinator Jason Garrett's offense, which Romo also did after the 44-6 loss to Philadelphia.

Several players spoke about a lack of chemistry as a downfall to the '08 season, and the Cowboys have already decided to cut oft-troubled cornerback Adam Jones and are doubtful to re-sign backup nose tackle Tank Johnson.

Those decisions, however, had no salary-cap impact.

Last June, the Cowboys paid Owens a $12.9 million signing bonus as part of a four-year, $36 million contract. Should the Cowboys cut Owens, he would count $680,000 more against the '09 cap than the $8.99 million he is scheduled to count if he stays. And because this is the last capped season, the Cowboys cannot spread out the hit over two seasons like teams were able to do previously.

This June, Owens is due a $3.1 million roster bonus, so the Cowboys do not have to be in a rush to make a move.

Yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 17, 2009, 01:30:15 PM
going to go with the eagles and steelers this w/e. at this stage i'd like to see donovan mcnabb win the superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2009, 08:13:52 PM
While i'd like McNabb to win a SB i am cheering on the Cards. Arizona - Pittsburgh Superbowl. Cards offense is awesome
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2009, 09:26:12 PM
21-3 Cards are rollin'.

Irish man Larry Fitzgerald having a stellar game, 3 TD's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2009, 10:31:35 PM
Cards 24
Eagles 19

Eagles closing in, its a good game, Akers misses extra point!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 18, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
24 19
why didnt eagles go for 2pt conversion..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2009, 10:47:49 PM
25-24 to the Eagles, 2 point conv failed. Warner needs to make a solid scoring drive, burn the clock down but get a TD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 18, 2009, 11:23:31 PM
Cardinals miss out on playing Superbowl at home by a year..
Great win..

Congrats AZ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2009, 11:25:33 PM
Well they took my advice,  :D

Arizona are going to the Big Dance, Wheres AZoffaly? probably in the Stadium!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 18, 2009, 11:27:29 PM
Congrats AZOffaly -- Whup the Steelers or the Ravens
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 18, 2009, 11:37:36 PM
holy shit what a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 18, 2009, 11:40:13 PM
QuoteWheres AZoffaly?
Probably trying to explain to a cop what the hell he is doing dancing in a fountain in an Edge James jersey on a cold sunday night..
:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 19, 2009, 12:01:57 AM
this game wont be as high scoring im thinking, but plenty of hard hits hopefully,


Wembley tickets on sale this thursday, bad bad timing, dont have the cash right now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 12:08:29 AM
Holy shit lads. I never thought I'd see the day. All them games when I lived over there watching apes like Kent Graham throwing passes at lads ankles, the false dawn of Jake Plummer. Never thought I'd be saying this.

The Cards are going to the SUPERBOWL!!!

Mac Gearailt is the man..

(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2009/09000d5d80e32e86_gallery_600.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 19, 2009, 12:49:24 AM
Ravens are in a rut. Offense is toothless and are giving up big plays on defense. Cant see Steelers losing this
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 10:26:28 AM
So it's the Steelers up next. Very tough assignment, I'd have preferred the Ravens because their offense doesn't really hurt you in the same way as the Steelers can. Roethlisberger, Ward and co have won one before as well, so that's no advantage to have James and Warner. Also, the Steelers Defense is frightening. The one 'X' factor for the Cardinals might be Anquin Boldin. He's another savage talent at WR, but has been injured over the last few weeks with a hamstring. He togged out yesterday, and caught a few balls, but the Cardinals obviously felt he wasn't going at full speed because of his hammy. Boldin disagreed, hence the shouting and roaring on the sideline at the Offensive Coordinator as the Cards marched down the field in the 4th quarter. If he has an extra 2 weeks to get himself a bit better, the Steelers might find they have to deal with more than just Larry Fitzgerald out wide.

I also think you can get at Roethlisberger and hit him, but Clancy Pendergast (The Cardinals 'D' coordinator) will have to be careful with Blitzes. Last night we saw it again, when the Cardinals got tired, they couldn't get near McNabb, and the back 4 were victimised on big plays. That can't happen against the Steelers. The Cardinals have been good against the Run in the playoffs, and if they can continue to do that, and get Roethlisberger on his back, they have a chance.

But Jaysus. The Cardinals are in the Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 11:30:35 AM
I hope ye'll indulge me with some of these photos. I'm still finding it hard to believe. I'm listening to KTAR AM in Phoenix, and they are STILL doing the postgame show :D :D Since 11.30 PM our time last night! :D What's rare is wonderful.

(http://media.bonnint.net/az/13/1373/137311.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 19, 2009, 11:38:13 AM
Dont blame them at all. They have every right to celebrate but the players need to remember they have a bigger fish still to catch. Have you checked the price of a ticket to Tampa yet AZ?

Wonder will Ciarán McManus emulate Kurt Warner this year? He's still hanging in there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
Going by the results so far, Offaly will be lucky to be in the Championship more than a few weeks after the Superbowl is over! Whatever about Warner, I'm looking into seeing whether Mac Gearailt has any Offaly blood in him. He'd be the answer to the midfield dilemma :D

As for the players focus, I think they'll be okay from that perspective. Warner and James have been there before, as has Wisenhunt and a couple of his coordinators. They have 2 weeks to focus, so they're entitled to blow off a little steam for a couple of days, and then get back into it.

They shouldn't have a chance against the Steelers, but if they play loose, and give it a lash, who knows?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 19, 2009, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
I'm looking into seeing whether Mac Gearailt has any Offaly blood in him. He'd be the answer to the midfield dilemma

Surely he'd be given the Bomber role?

I dont think they need to fear the Steelers. Fitzy will make catches against them and so will Boldin if he's there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 12:20:55 PM
Well, the Steelers Defense is savage in the front 7. Their linebackers are mental, so I'd be worried that the Cardinals won't be able to even keep them occupied on the ground. That'll mean blitz x 100 against Warner. Screen passes and dumps out to Arrington and Hightower might be the order of the day early to keep them off balance. Then look for one on ones outside. I still think Boldin and Breaston might be major factors if the Steelers focus on Fitzgerald.

He'd be an ideal full forward alright, but we're struggling for someone to win ball in the middle. I'd start him there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 19, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
Was reading a Phoenix newspaper there,  one of the headlines was

"Why did they close the roof?"
"To stop the pigs from flying in!"

:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 20, 2009, 09:56:41 AM
Well Az looks like we called The finalists right there a few weeks ago ;) :D Its great to see Arizona get to the superbowl funnily enough i have been watching them closely this year because they were my definsive them in the fantasy football and their defense just blew hot  and cold . lets hope they do it in the final . Any one know the story with boldwin and the offensive co ordinator late on in the game looked like they were having cupla focail 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 22, 2009, 01:17:45 AM
Police: Men burned Cards message into Eagles QB's lawn
Police: Men burned Cards message into Eagles QB's lawn by Megan Boehnke - Jan. 20, 2009 12:03 PM
The Arizona Republic

The Cardinals fans who left diesel fuel messages in the lawn of Donovan McNabb's Chandler home also left something else - a box with a postage sticker that listed the suspect's name and address.

The two men, Rex Perkin, 37, and Ryan Hanlon, 28, were arrested Saturday around 6 p.m., for using the fuel to kill the grass in the Philadelphia quarterback's lawn and leave the messages., "Go Cards," "Go Kurt," and "I (heart) AZ."

Police said the pair admitted to dousing the grass midnight Saturday, the day before the Arizona Cardinals beat the Philadelphia Eagles in the NFC championship.

But the story actually started two days before, when McNabb came home to his house in the Ocotillo neighborhood on the Thursday to find a Cardinals flag hanging from a tree in his yard. The quarterback found the prank amusing and left the flag hanging in the tree, Favazzo said.

When McNabb came home late the next night, he saw the cardboard box that the vandals made into a makeshift sign - "Go Cards" was written on one side and "Beat Philly" on the other. Again McNabb brushed it off, but when he woke up early the next morning on the day of the game, he smelled diesel fuel and called police.

"Police did a very, very quick investigation," said Sgt. Joe Favazzo, a Chandler police spokesman. Officers quickly spotted the postage sticker on the box with Perkin's name and address. They went Perkin's home, where police arrested him at about 6 p.m. when he admitted to the prank and outted his co-worker, Hanlon. Perkins wore a Cardinals cap in his booking photo.

Hanlon turned himself in at the police station after officers called him on the phone.

The two were booked and cited for criminal damage. The diesel fuel caused an estimated $2,000 of damage to the lawn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 22, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
Funny stuff, a bit stupid but not really malicous.

Got tickets for Buccs-Pats game next year. Think I'll be boo-ing both teams though. Division rivals or the Patsy's, who would you support like!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2009, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
Going by the results so far, Offaly will be lucky to be in the Championship more than a few weeks after the Superbowl is over! Whatever about Warner, I'm looking into seeing whether Mac Gearailt has any Offaly blood in him. He'd be the answer to the midfield dilemma :D

As for the players focus, I think they'll be okay from that perspective. Warner and James have been there before, as has Wisenhunt and a couple of his coordinators. They have 2 weeks to focus, so they're entitled to blow off a little steam for a couple of days, and then get back into it.

They shouldn't have a chance against the Steelers, but if they play loose, and give it a lash, who knows?

Dont think James has "gone to the show" before,  had he not left Indy when they won a couple of years ago ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2009, 11:47:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 22, 2009, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2009, 11:49:38 AM
Going by the results so far, Offaly will be lucky to be in the Championship more than a few weeks after the Superbowl is over! Whatever about Warner, I'm looking into seeing whether Mac Gearailt has any Offaly blood in him. He'd be the answer to the midfield dilemma :D

As for the players focus, I think they'll be okay from that perspective. Warner and James have been there before, as has Wisenhunt and a couple of his coordinators. They have 2 weeks to focus, so they're entitled to blow off a little steam for a couple of days, and then get back into it.

They shouldn't have a chance against the Steelers, but if they play loose, and give it a lash, who knows?

Dont think James has "gone to the show" before,  had he not left Indy when they won a couple of years ago ?

Your right minder James left the year that indy won the superbowl. according to one of the us commentators Indy held him in such esteem they got him a duplicate superbowl ring ang gave it to him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2009, 02:38:16 PM
By being there before, I meant deep in the playoffs, big games, etc etc. Old hands basically. You are correct though, he only has a 'gift' ring.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2009, 02:50:28 PM
If Boldin is at full speed the Cardinals chance of winning goes up significantly, Fitzgerald has been playing unbelievably well but Boldin is also a great receiver and put up some huge numbers earlier this year. Pittsburgh are tough to run on but if Arizona do not at least try to run to keep the Steelers D honest they will be fcuked........Would love to see Arizona win and one thing in their favour is the game is at a neutral venue. If the game was in Pittsburgh on a freezing,snowy night you wouldnt give the Cards any chance. Would love to see Warner get another ring to show it wasnt a fluke in 2000 with Rams, in fairness he has had some unreal weapons, Holt, Bruce, Faulk and now Larry Fitt, Boldin..........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2009, 07:51:23 PM
Don't forget Steve Breaston there as well Minder. He's the unsung hero at WR, all 3 of them had over 1,000 yards this season which is immense.

You are spot on in your analysis though. The Cards have to find some way to keep the Steelers off balance, and that means mixing in the run and the pass. If the Steelers can bottle up the run with a 3 man front, and drop the 4 linebackers they like to play into coverage, it will be hard for Warner to find the gaps.

The Steelers play 3-4 whereas the Eagles for eg. play a 4-3. That's an extra linebacker to contend with, almost like an extra safety in passing downs. The Cards have to keep the Steelers guessing.

One good thing is that Warner regularly uses 8-9 receivers a game, and is great at setting up screen passes to beat the pass rush, so they can hurt the Steelers if all goes well. Still a huge ask though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 22, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
If the Cards have 3+ turnovers the game will be over, should be an exciting game all the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 11:50:53 AM
Should be a good game. Cardinals to win by 3  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
I have Monday booked off, hopefully stick it out to the end. Couldnt last year and missed the Giants winning drive. Hope the Cards do it, head say Steelers. Though if they put Rothlisberger on his hole a few times they may be in with a chance as the Steelers O-Line is piss poor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
I have Monday booked off, hopefully stick it out to the end. Couldnt last year and missed the Giants winning drive. Hope the Cards do it, head say Steelers. Though if they put Rothlisberger on his hole a few times they may be in with a chance as the Steelers O-Line is piss poor.

I got to sleep at 5.30am last year, back up at 8 :(. But Phoenix was extra 2 hours behind us so shouldn't be as bad this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2009, 12:00:43 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2009, 11:54:07 AM
I have Monday booked off, hopefully stick it out to the end. Couldnt last year and missed the Giants winning drive. Hope the Cards do it, head say Steelers. Though if they put Rothlisberger on his hole a few times they may be in with a chance as the Steelers O-Line is piss poor.

I got to sleep at 5.30am last year, back up at 8 :(. But Phoenix was extra 2 hours behind us so shouldn't be as bad this year

I thought the Super Bowl always starts at 6.18pm (ET) so is always around 11.18pm here, could be talking s*ite though..............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 12:02:16 PM
maybe your right minder, then last years super bowl lasted around 6 hours
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 27, 2009, 12:05:31 PM
Always starts around 6 eastern time. These times are determined by television, i think!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 27, 2009, 12:10:56 PM
looking forward to sunday allready . mayo v's derry in tthe league opener then sit back and watch the superbowl. Is Burcie plaing at half time ? Really getting hooked on watching Americas game some great footage from years gone by . Was watching the 1968 Jets yesterday great programmes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 27, 2009, 12:12:04 PM
No real allegiance here so I'll get behind AZ and the cards
Always stay up for the bowl and if we get half the finish of last year I'll be happy, only problem is I'm on a new year fitness regime so it will pints of water and pumpkin seeds instead of the party bag of shite and 12 pack of Carlsberg.
Always do a few freaky bets as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2009, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 27, 2009, 12:10:56 PM
looking forward to sunday allready . mayo v's derry in tthe league opener then sit back and watch the superbowl. Is Burcie plaing at half time ? Really getting hooked on watching Americas game some great footage from years gone by . Was watching the 1968 Jets yesterday great programmes

Love Americas Game, had nearly everyone of them taped on Sky + last year but missus deleted them, will try again as they will be on all week in the run up to Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 27, 2009, 12:18:03 PM
Aye cant wait. Rooting for the Cards. Steelers favourites to win though. Will be fun, bags of popcorn and maybe a beer or 2 but have to be in work the day after but might take a few hours off.

Paddy Power offering these odds on different things:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet?action=show_event_by_markets&category=SPORTS&ev_class_id=17&chosen_ev_id=1321030&disp_cat_id=
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 27, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2009, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 27, 2009, 12:10:56 PM
looking forward to sunday allready . mayo v's derry in tthe league opener then sit back and watch the superbowl. Is Burcie plaing at half time ? Really getting hooked on watching Americas game some great footage from years gone by . Was watching the 1968 Jets yesterday great programmes

Love Americas Game, had nearly everyone of them taped on Sky + last year but missus deleted them, will try again as they will be on all week in the run up to Sunday.

what i find amazing was their use of technology back in the 60's even then most of the co ordinators were miked up for plays
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 27, 2009, 01:45:49 PM
So if it starts at 6pm ET that's 11pm GMT isn't it? Over at approx 2.30am would it be?

Thought Pittsburgh would do it from a good way out but unfortunately didn't put my money where my mouth was. Arizona is an incredible story but over the course of the season I think Pittsburgh deserve it and I think they will do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2009, 01:50:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 27, 2009, 01:45:49 PM
So if it starts at 6pm ET that's 11pm GMT isn't it? Over at approx 2.30pm would it be?

Thought Pittsburgh would do it from a good way out but unfortunately didn't put my money where my mouth was. Arizona is an incredible story but over the course of the season I think Pittsburgh deserve it and I think they will do it.

Should start shortly after 11pm, most games are a few minutes under 3 hrs but half time is longer in the Super Bowl i think so probably will be over around 2.30am
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyronefan on January 27, 2009, 01:53:21 PM
what channel is it on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2009, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on January 27, 2009, 01:53:21 PM
what channel is it on

Sky Sports and BBC (i think)...........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 01:56:25 PM
bbc 1, sky sports. The half time show is around 1 hour long i thought. So more like 3.30am or 4am
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 27, 2009, 02:01:18 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2009, 01:56:25 PM
bbc 1, sky sports. The half time show is around 1 hour long i thought. So more like 3.30am or 4am

i was thinking the half time show was around 1/2 hours twould be hard to stay foccused if the break was an hour but maybe it is
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 27, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
bruce is on at half time and I don't mean play your cards right - the Boss
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 27, 2009, 06:14:31 PM
Big news story here at the minute concerning a high school girls basketball team, that beat another team 100-0.

http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/girls/news/story?id=3859935 (http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/girls/news/story?id=3859935)

Coach says team played with honor
ESPN.com news services


Updated: January 26, 2009, 9:14 PM ET
Comment / Email / Print HS Basketball ShutoutDALLAS -- The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 was fired Sunday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize "for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

On its Web site last week, the Covenant School of Dallas, a private Christian school, posted a statement regretting the outcome of its Jan. 13 shutout win over Dallas Academy. "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition," said the statement, signed by Kyle Queal, head of school, and board chair Todd Doshier.

Covenant coach Micah Grimes, who has been criticized for letting the game get so far out of hand, made it clear in the e-mail Sunday to The Dallas Morning News that he does not agree with his school's assessment.

"In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Web site, I do not agree with the apology or the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel embarrassed or ashamed," Grimes wrote in the e-mail, according to the newspaper. "We played the game as it was meant to be played. My values and my beliefs would not allow me to run up the score on any opponent, and it will not allow me to apologize for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."

Queal would not say if Grimes was fired because of the coach's statement, but told the newspaper that Grimes "now only represents himself."

A phone number for Grimes could not be located by The Associated Press. The Dallas Morning News said Grimes did not respond to its repeated e-mail requests for a telephone interview.

Queal did not immediately return a phone message left at his home Sunday afternoon by the AP. There was no answer at a number listed for Doshier.

A parent who attended the game said Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.


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Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the past four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls' basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become one-sided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, said last week. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

The story has received national attention, and the Dallas Academy team has been recognized for refusing to give up during the lopsided contest.

Connecticut women's basketball coach Geno Auriemma said on Monday that he's not sure how he would have balanced good sportsmanship with competitive instincts.

"When you get a big lead and you have players in who don't usually score, do you tell them, 'don't try to score?' he told ESPN. "I have never heard of 100-0. And I have no idea what I would have done. It's a little different in college because of the shot clock. ... I would venture to say that how he approached the game, during the game, after the game, the stance, probably got him fired as much as the score."

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 27, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
i think this crap is a storm in a tea cup- so what you took a beating?

we played under 12 games at clan na gael where we ended up on the wrong end of 7-20 to 0-3 scorelines, nobody felt mentally scarred by the game, sure it pisses you off but all this molly coddling crap drives me nuts. I can tell you that no one was telling bumpy and diarmuid not to score against us...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 27, 2009, 08:31:53 PM
This from Bill Simmons at ESPN.com. Thought it was funny...

The Marisa Tomei Suddenly Getting Naked In Every Movie Award for "The most dumbfounding ongoing occurrence"
As a lifelong Bruce Springsteen fan, the Super Bowl ads for his performance next month never stop flooring me. Don't they know how the man is wired? He can't bang out three songs without sprinkling one autobiographical story in there, and he certainly can't just go away without returning for an encore, right? (Note to the NFL: After Bruce finishes his set, hog-tie him to one of the uprights or else he's coming back out for three more songs. Just trust me. You don't want Bruce wandering back onto the field with his guitar like Shooter in "Hoosiers" and getting bowled over by a safety.) Look, Bruce might be telling the NFL, "Don't worry, I won't tell a story. I'll just sing my three songs and get out of there." But he won't be able to do it. You watch. We're gonna get a moment like this after the second song.

"Tampa Baaaaaaaay! (Crowd cheers.) Is anyone alive tonight??? (Crowd goes crazy.) Super Bowl Forty-Threeeeeee!!! (Crowd goes crazy as Bruce turns somber.) You know, when I was growing up, the only thing my dad hated more than me was my guitar. (Crowd hushes.) He was always saying, 'Bruce, I wish you never got that danged guitar.' So one day I was playing it in my room, my dad was watching Super Bowl Three between the Jets and ... uh ... uh ... I think it was the Colts. Big man, was it the Colts? (Clarence says, 'Yeah, boss. The Colts.') Well, turns out my dad had a ton of money on the Colts ... and they lost. But I didn't care. I was just up in my room strummin' my guitar. Then Dad came upstairs, and I remember asking, "Hey, Pop, who won the game? And Dad got mad and broke my guitar over my head. He busted me up pretty bad, I needed 589 stitches to close the wound. From then on, I knew I needed to start watching football. And so I did. (Dramatic pause.) This is 'Darlington County.'"

For those interested the Half time set list will be about 4 songs and is rumoured to be something like this...

1. Tenth Avenue Freeze Out/ The Rising.
2. Something from the new album (probably "My Lucky Day")
3. Born To Run
4. Dancing in the Dark.

Oh, as for the side show to Bruce... Go Cards!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 27, 2009, 08:36:15 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 27, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
i think this crap is a storm in a tea cup- so what you took a beating?

we played under 12 games at clan na gael where we ended up on the wrong end of 7-20 to 0-3 scorelines, nobody felt mentally scarred by the game, sure it pisses you off but all this molly coddling crap drives me nuts. I can tell you that no one was telling bumpy and diarmuid not to score against us...

Think the culture in the states is a bit different to here regarding this.

Running up the score against overmatched opponents is generally frowned upon. Even in the ultra professional and ultra competitive world of the NFL it is considered bad form to run up the score. I remember the Pats coming in for some criticism for this last year when they were hammering teams most weeks. Where do you draw the line though?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2009, 09:29:08 PM
There is always this issue that American Sports seem obsessed with and that is "class", not sure who said it but an NFL coach was whining about getting the score run up on them and someone said, "try and f*cking stop them then".................
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 28, 2009, 02:25:26 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 27, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
i think this crap is a storm in a tea cup- so what you took a beating?

we played under 12 games at clan na gael where we ended up on the wrong end of 7-20 to 0-3 scorelines, nobody felt mentally scarred by the game, sure it pisses you off but all this molly coddling crap drives me nuts. I can tell you that no one was telling bumpy and diarmuid not to score against us...

Arguments for and against I suppose. I currently work with a couple coaches and help out on the side.

If we're stomping another team, he will drop us down to 10, 9 or even 8 players, and everyone thats playing better be pushing themselves at something thats difficult to them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 28, 2009, 04:22:11 PM
Nice relevant story if you have time to read:

True story-

This has a wonderful surprise ending...


KURTIS THE STOCK BOY AND BRENDA THE CHECKOUT GIRL
In a supermarket, Kurtis the stock boy was busily working  when a new voice came over the loud speaker asking for a carry out at register 4. Kurtis was almost finished, and wanted to get some fresh air,  so he decided to answer the call. As he approached the check-out stand a distant smile caught his eye- the new check-out girl was beautiful. She was an older woman (maybe 26, and he was only 22) and he fell in love.   

Later that day, after his shift was over, he waited by the punch clock to find out her name. She came into the break room, smiled softly at him, took her card and punched out, then left. He  looked at her card- BRENDA. He walked out only to see her start walking up the road. Next day, he waited outside as she left the supermarket, and offered her a ride home. He looked harmless enough, and she accepted. When he dropped her off, he asked if maybe he could see her again, outside of  work. She simply said it wasn't possible.

He pressed and she explained she had two children and she couldn't afford a baby-sitter, so he offered to pay for the baby-sitter. Reluctantly she accepted his offer for a date for the following Saturday. That Saturday night he arrived at her door only to have her tell him that she was unable to go with him. The baby-sitter had called and canceled. To which Kurtis simply said, "Well, let's take the  kids with us."

She tried to explain that taking the children  was not an option, but again not taking no for an answer, he pressed.  Finally Brenda brought him inside to meet her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis thought. Then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a paraplegic with Down Syndrome.

Kurtis asked Brenda, "I still don't understand why the kids can't come with us?" Brenda was amazed. Most men would run away from a woman with two kids, especially if one had disabilities - just like her first husband and father of her children had done. Kurtis was not ordinary - - - he had a different mindset.   

That evening Kurtis and Brenda loaded up the  kids, went to dinner and the movies. When her son needed anything Kurtis would take care of him. When he needed to use the restroom, he picked him up out of his wheelchair, took him and brought him back. The kids loved Kurtis. At the end of the evening, Brenda knew this was the man she was going to marry and spend the rest of her life with.

A year later, they were married and Kurtis adopted both of her children. Since then they have added two more kids.   

So what happened to Kurtis the stock boy and  Brenda the check-out girl?

Well, Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Warner now live in Arizona, where he is currently employed as the quarterback of the NFL Arizona Cardinals and has his Cardinals in the hunt for a possible championship in the Super Bowl. Is this a surprise ending or could  you have guessed that he was not an ordinary person?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 05:01:12 PM
Great story ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There was a video story on NFL Sunday Countdown a few weeks back and it talked about Kurt Warner and showed all the work he does for charity.

Very moving.

It's impossible not to like the guy

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3814061
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 05:49:48 PM
Super Bowl is played on the east coast, where in 5 games, the Cardinals allowed 202 points... Steelers have given up 223 points in 16 games... in 3 of those games they were hammered 56 points by the Jets (Brett Favre's only good game of the season)48 points by the Eagles and 47 by the Patriots. Yes I know, that was then and this is know, just getting a point across that stats and numbers don't mean much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 28, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 05:49:48 PM
Super Bowl is played on the east coast, where in 5 games, the Cardinals allowed 202 points... Steelers have given up 223 points in 16 games... in 3 of those games they were hammered 56 points by the Jets (Brett Favre's only good game of the season)48 points by the Eagles and 47 by the Patriots. Yes I know, that was then and this is know, just getting a point across that stats and numbers don't mean much.

Au Contraire, to the american sporting public - stats and numbers are everything. :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 28, 2009, 07:36:28 PM
tho i'll go with az and support the cardinals in the superbowl i see steelers owner dan rooney is tipped in todays papers to be next american ambassador to ireland! that should generate a few new irish fans
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2009, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 28, 2009, 05:01:12 PM
Great story ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There was a video story on NFL Sunday Countdown a few weeks back and it talked about Kurt Warner and showed all the work he does for charity.

Very moving.

It's impossible not to like the guy

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3814061

One of my favourite players, coming from stacking shelves, NFL Europe to being league MVP. I think he was Favres backup in GreenBay (or possibly 3rd stringer). That season he had in '99 with the Rams after Trent Green went down is pre season is one of the best you will see from a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 28, 2009, 08:56:33 PM
As much as I like Steelers' brand of football ie smashmouth, especially the 70's team with Mean Joe and Jack Lambert, and Mike Tomlin's Steelers do play similar to that, I will still be supporting the Cards. Waiting a long time for it to come around. I havent the day off like last year. My plan is to stay in bed as long as possible, get up for the deferred coverage of Meath vs Cork and then after superbowl go to bed for a power nap and try do some work on monday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 28, 2009, 11:04:30 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2009, 05:49:48 PM
Super Bowl is played on the east coast, where in 5 games, the Cardinals allowed 202 points... Steelers have given up 223 points in 16 games... in 3 of those games they were hammered 56 points by the Jets (Brett Favre's only good game of the season)48 points by the Eagles and 47 by the Patriots. Yes I know, that was then and this is know, just getting a point across that stats and numbers don't mean much.

You have to remember that during the season they usually flew out the day before. They (Cards) have been in Tampa for a little over a weeks time when the game kicks off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2009, 10:12:41 AM
Thats a great story about Kurt Warner really hope the cardinals do it on sunday. What odds are they to win it ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 29, 2009, 11:58:20 AM
Betting preview from Bettingzone

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/us_sports/betting/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=betting/09/01/28/manual_074231.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2009, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 22, 2009, 11:27:30 AM
Funny stuff, a bit stupid but not really malicous.

Got tickets for Buccs-Pats game next year. Think I'll be boo-ing both teams though. Division rivals or the Patsy's, who would you support like!


did any one else get tickets ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 05:57:55 PM
I know nothing about American Football and I just saw on Sky Sports the Superbowl thingy is on this weekend.
I like a bet so who should I be putting my money on or are there any good bets to be had for the game ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 29, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
the cardinals -7 are worth a bet I would say.......
GSP in the UFC and the Cardinals Double this weekend - $12 bet pays $67
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 29, 2009, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2009, 10:12:41 AM
Thats a great story about Kurt Warner really hope the cardinals do it on sunday. What odds are they to win it ?

Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 05:57:55 PM
I know nothing about American Football and I just saw on Sky Sports the Superbowl thingy is on this weekend.
I like a bet so who should I be putting my money on or are there any good bets to be had for the game ?

in todays irish times the cardinals are 5-2 to win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 29, 2009, 10:53:07 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on January 29, 2009, 05:57:55 PM
I know nothing about American Football and I just saw on Sky Sports the Superbowl thingy is on this weekend.
I like a bet so who should I be putting my money on or are there any good bets to be had for the game ?


1st half Line             Pit -3.5      over/under  23.5       Take AZ and the over

Final                       Pit -7         over/under  47          Take AZ and the under

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on January 30, 2009, 01:11:38 PM
Anyone know if the superbowl is being shown in a pub in Galway. Used always go to the Cellar for it but they aint showing it this year...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on January 30, 2009, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: declan85 on January 30, 2009, 01:11:38 PM
Anyone know if the superbowl is being shown in a pub in Galway. Used always go to the Cellar for it but they aint showing it this year...

This place might be showing it Declan

www.coyotes.ie



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 30, 2009, 03:29:56 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 29, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
the cardinals -7 are worth a bet I would say.......
GSP in the UFC and the Cardinals Double this weekend - $12 bet pays $67

Iceman the cardinals are +7.

This superbowl is hard to predict - except maybe for the full time bet of the total score being under 47.

If the steelers take a lead and can get at warner a few times, they will be hard to beat.

If the cards take an early lead - can the steelers offence get it done?


My heart says the cardinals to win, but my head and my wallet says the steelers to win a crap game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 30, 2009, 03:45:39 PM
Read in the Times that Larry Fitz has been to Ireland to find his family roots. Wonder has he any Meath blood in him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 30, 2009, 04:20:30 PM
dont really see much NFL any more
think that the Steelers have decent offence and a rock hard defence - with the teams with good Defence usually winning superbowls

Would prefer the Steelers, esp the traditional hard nosed american football style they play
plus the b***d cards beat the Eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
ah come on now lynchbhoy i thought you would be up for the underdog it would be like you shouting for Kerry in an Ai Final against Tyrone or Armagh  ;) the steelers have enough superbowls allready
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 30, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 30, 2009, 04:24:41 PM
ah come on now lynchbhoy i thought you would be up for the underdog it would be like you shouting for Kerry in an Ai Final against Tyrone or Armagh  ;) the steelers have enough superbowls allready
just like that kind of 'steeler football'
plus the good denizens of pittsburgh dont usually have much to cheer about
arizona has the sunshine!

anyhow as arizona beat philly, I want them to lose!
:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 30, 2009, 04:57:11 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 30, 2009, 03:29:56 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 29, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
the cardinals -7 are worth a bet I would say.......
GSP in the UFC and the Cardinals Double this weekend - $12 bet pays $67

Iceman the cardinals are +7.


Good spot Puck - thats what I meant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 30, 2009, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 30, 2009, 03:45:39 PM
Read in the Times that Larry Fitz has been to Ireland to find his family roots. Wonder has he any Meath blood in him.

havent seen him stamp on anyone, throw back the elbow to connect with someones jaw, or punch anyone, so its safe to assume he has no meath blood in him Juice  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on January 30, 2009, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on January 30, 2009, 01:17:01 PM
Quote from: declan85 on January 30, 2009, 01:11:38 PM
Anyone know if the superbowl is being shown in a pub in Galway. Used always go to the Cellar for it but they aint showing it this year...

This place might be showing it Declan

www.coyotes.ie


Cheers Gallaimh, checked it out and been assured they are showin all of it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 31, 2009, 09:17:01 AM
Any  one find Ron Wolfley's commentating really annoying, especially when he say's WOW

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80e764c6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 31, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
Lads I don't know if this was asked before, but do you know the program on Sky Sports "America's Game".  Is that available to buy on DVD?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2009, 10:39:20 AM
You would be about a few quid if they were as there must be 40 espisodes of them. It is a great show. I have been taping as many as i can the last few days on Sky +. There are about two a day on now in the run up to the game tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 31, 2009, 10:46:40 AM
were you watching the redskins one minder ? They were a mad bunch  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 01, 2009, 10:08:02 AM
SUPERBOWL SUNDAY IS HERE!!!

Good weekend of sport with the Dubs-Tyrone last night and Meath still to play Cork and then the big game tonight. I think Arizona are going to win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 01, 2009, 07:56:30 PM
Unlike this little lady, I don't care who wins (more interested in the Springsteen appearance).

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k175/erock311aa/NewSteelersCheerleaders1.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 01, 2009, 11:04:11 PM
anyone watching it anywhere interesting? heading to a superbowl party in tralee, loads of bud ;D and popcorn. really looking forward to it now...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
I've never watched more than five mins of American Football but I'm not working tmrw so I'm gonna give this a go. Should it be a good one?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 01, 2009, 11:14:26 PM
Jerry Rice looks as if he could still play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: pintsofguinness on February 01, 2009, 11:16:02 PM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 11:08:35 PM
I've never watched more than five mins of American Football but I'm not working tmrw so I'm gonna give this a go. Should it be a good one?
God I hope it's not as good as last year or I'll be going round work tomorrow like a Zombie. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: carribbear on February 01, 2009, 11:25:33 PM
Really hope the Cardinals can pull this one off...Sure Larry Fitzgerald is Maurice's cousin

I'm sure all the huns will be hoping those papes dont win  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 01, 2009, 11:35:04 PM
TV3 showing it - Hope the underdogs do t - Cardinals  - but feel the Steelers will take it home. Like J70 waiting to see Broooce
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on February 01, 2009, 11:42:20 PM
No touchdown...happy days
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedandGreenSniper on February 01, 2009, 11:53:28 PM
Just read a good piece by Dave Hannigan in the Sunday Tribune about the Rooneys who own the Steelers and their Irish connection so I know who to shout for at least. But I'm struggling to stay with this!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2009, 12:09:57 AM
Not looking good for the Cards. 10-0 down and the Steelers have owned the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 12:11:36 AM
looks like it'l be an ass-kicking for the Cards. Hope they can do something now with the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 02, 2009, 12:22:31 AM
Go Cards- Hope that Fitzpatrick is no relation to Sean!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2009, 12:24:00 AM
Great catch by the tight end
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 02, 2009, 12:53:33 AM
Wow what a TD!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gnevin on February 02, 2009, 12:55:00 AM
Jasus your man needs Oxygen after running !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 12:55:39 AM
still waiting on a decision
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 12:56:05 AM
Think he's concussed. Warner made a big error there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 12:57:30 AM
f**k what a run..longest play in SB history  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 02, 2009, 12:58:41 AM
f**k me pink
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 02, 2009, 12:59:55 AM
Only Bruce can save me after that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 01:03:04 AM
Apparently on fitzpatrick rather than the ground
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on February 02, 2009, 01:03:35 AM
Some score. 12 point turnaround effectively. Enjoying the game. I assume Azoffaly is struggling to cope with the tension!

Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2009, 01:02:13 AM
Right, I haven't the first clue about this game but thon cnut's knee was in the turf before the ball crossed the line......yay or nay?

Was his knee not on the opposing player? Looked like a touchdown to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 01:05:01 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2009, 01:02:13 AM
Right, I haven't the first clue about this game but thon cnut's knee was in the turf before the ball crossed the line......yay or nay?

His knee was on the defenders leg..so didnt touch the ground..good call
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 02, 2009, 01:07:33 AM
Great stuff  - 10th avenue freeze
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
Bruce is goina rock the place  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 01:10:38 AM
camera to the balls, ouch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 02, 2009, 01:11:22 AM
Born To Run. Love it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 02, 2009, 01:11:42 AM
Hard to believe he's 60 this year - Go on the boss. Our fireworks were better though!! Great version of the new song sequed into Glory Days
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 01:15:50 AM
ooh new song, risky, will we get Born In The USA?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 01:18:14 AM
Has to play born in the USA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 02, 2009, 01:19:44 AM
QuoteAn aul eejit who only appeals to old people, country folk and saffron sam2.
Go on outta that hs - Great craic altogether.

Can't see the Cards coming back though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 01:21:03 AM
That was class, Liked the Disney line,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 01:23:26 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2009, 01:20:22 AM
Born on the DLA would have been better.

:D :D
Your horrible HS
f**k this get back to the football

Yous boys no work tomorrow?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 02, 2009, 01:24:33 AM
f**k it lads, I'll not rest til July 11th after that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 01:25:34 AM
The americans put us to shame with that half time show.  Spectacular. But ours wasn't too bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 01:27:25 AM
Warner was Born to Throw, so slappitintilem Cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: T O Hare on February 02, 2009, 01:28:46 AM
This fecking superbowl is addictive, too many stoppages though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gnevin on February 02, 2009, 01:29:20 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 01:25:34 AM
The americans put us to shame with that half time show.  Spectacular. But ours wasn't too bad.
Put us to shame! It was the Boss and some fireworks .Its  not like that took 2 years to plan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 01:31:14 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on February 02, 2009, 01:29:20 AM
Quote from: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 01:25:34 AM
The americans put us to shame with that half time show.  Spectacular. But ours wasn't too bad.
Put us to shame! It was the Boss and some fireworks .Its  not like that took 2 years to plan.


You're right. A lot of planning and a lot of $$$$$$$$$$ as well I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 01:37:00 AM
hope thats  not a turnover
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 01:41:20 AM
incomplete pass...dodgy enough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:03:31 AM
cardinals need a TD before end of 3rd
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 02, 2009, 02:07:28 AM
1 TD each please  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 02:14:29 AM
Indisicipline is killling the Cards chances.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tankie on February 02, 2009, 02:17:42 AM
The penalty count is ridiculous!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 02:19:49 AM
96 YARDS SO FAR
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 02:26:28 AM
A boy, Larry c'mon Cards!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on February 02, 2009, 02:37:03 AM
Straight down the middle there, come on cardinals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:37:45 AM
Too much time . . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:39:40 AM
Perhaps not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 02:45:20 AM
SAFETY!! C'mon CAARDS!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:47:01 AM
Someone wake up Hardstation
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 02:47:09 AM
What a hit by Bailey
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Schkite on February 02, 2009, 02:48:57 AM
Atta boy Larry Fitz!!! What a quarter!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:49:56 AM
The kid from Pittsbugh scores.  Oh Oh, could be a tie now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 02:51:31 AM
Unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Schkite on February 02, 2009, 02:52:56 AM
Pittsburgh were 1-66 to win with PP around the start of the 4th.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 02:54:02 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:49:56 AM
The kid from Pittsbugh scores.  Oh Oh, could be a tie now.

What happens if its a draw?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 02:54:39 AM
How does Ben keep avoiding the sack, its not like he's fast!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
It would be overtime
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 02:56:51 AM
Eyes in the back of his head
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 02:57:18 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
It would be overtime

And if its level after that ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 02:58:43 AM
Bury Ben, even though he was my son's college QB.  Shoot Holmes, a Buckeye!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mattockranger on February 02, 2009, 02:58:59 AM
thats her over now big ben to rush in and win her!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 03:00:41 AM
Double overtime I suppose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mattockranger on February 02, 2009, 03:01:20 AM
i say NO!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 03:01:54 AM
What a catch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Schkite on February 02, 2009, 03:02:33 AM
That's incredible, heartbreak for Cardinals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 03:03:08 AM
Simply incredible
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mattockranger on February 02, 2009, 03:04:12 AM
poor oul larry!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 03:04:22 AM
hell of a score, hell of a game. come on Kurt and Larry, do it again,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 03:05:06 AM
What a throw and what a catch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 03:06:19 AM
C'mon Larry!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Schkite on February 02, 2009, 03:07:31 AM
Christ there's hardly time now, is there? Wouldn't rule it out in this game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 03:10:51 AM
Hate the Steelers, but the Rooneys are a great family.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 02, 2009, 03:13:09 AM
Happy for the rooneys. Happy for polamalu. Can't stand Hines ward.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mattockranger on February 02, 2009, 03:13:26 AM
what do the rooneys do??


Bloody steelers!! Great game! great ending!! poor oul cardinals!!

classic and great advert for NFL!!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2009, 03:14:55 AM
They own the Steelers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mattockranger on February 02, 2009, 03:16:05 AM
Haha!! ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyssam5 on February 02, 2009, 04:03:59 AM
They could at least have covered the frigging spread, wankers.  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on February 02, 2009, 08:18:56 AM
Superb game & well worth staying up for
Thought the Cards had it

Had backed under the points as well as Fitzgerald for the last td though :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2009, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: tyssam5 on February 02, 2009, 04:03:59 AM
They could at least have covered the frigging spread, w**kers.  :-[

Yeah!

Very enjoyable and no going to bed early! I think the best team won but it was a very spirited show by Arizona. Must check who got MVP - its usually someone on the winning team isn't it? There were a few strong candidates on the losing side.

All in all a very good game and great specatacle. Hope Bruce's balls are ok!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 10:47:24 AM
Whats the craic with them being "World" Champions  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 11:35:54 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 10:47:24 AM
Whats the craic with them being "World" Champions  ::)

They are the best American football team in the world! You cant argue with that!

I actually think that it originates from the fact that it used to be sponsered by a newspaper called "The World" and it used to be that the winners were called "the Worlds champions"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 11:53:17 AM
Why can't Setanta do something like this ??  :D :D :D :D :D

Super Bowl porn hits US viewers 

Larry Fitzgerald was scoring for the Cardinals when the coverage was hit
US sports fans in Arizona got a surprise when their TV coverage of American football's Super Bowl was interrupted by a pornographic film.

Tuscon-based KVOA-TV said it was "dismayed and disappointed" after some cable viewers had their match coverage disrupted towards the end of the game.

The company said the material was only seen by viewers of one cable network.

"KVOA will investigate what happened and make sure our viewers get answers," company president Gary Nielsen said.
"When the NBC feed of the Super Bowl was transmitted from KVOA to local cable providers and through over-the-air antennas, there was no pornographic material," he added.

Comcast, the cable company whose viewers saw the material, said it was investigating.

Local media outlets reported that they received calls from furious viewers.

The clip showed a woman unzipping a man's trousers, followed by a graphic act between the two.

"I just figured it was another commercial until I looked up," viewer Cora King told the Arizona Daily Star.

"Then he did his little dance with everything hanging out."

The interruption happened just after the last touchdown by the Arizona Cardinals, who lost the match to the Pittsburgh Steelers

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on February 02, 2009, 12:52:45 PM
As a Bengals fan last night brought back horrible memories of Superbowl 23 when they scored too early and Montana marched the 49's down the field to score the winning TD with 34 seconds to go.

I t was really exciting but I was gutted for the Cards. I felt it was the Steelers year about 12 weeks into the season because everything seemed to be going for them. It turned out that way in the play-offs with the Colts and the Titans bowing out of the AFC and the Giants and Panthers biting the dust in the NFC.

It's a pity Dockett couldn't have got to Ben just one more time at the start of that last drive and maybe just have backed them up a bit further.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2009, 01:02:23 PM
For a big fella Roethlisberger is so nimble in the pocket. On the final drive last night I thought the Cardinals were close to sacking him about four times but he kept ducking and diving and running and eventually he gets the ball to a free receiver.

Poor old AZ must have been tearing his hair out.

I was gutted for the Cards to be honest. Larry Fitz looking at the replay of the winning TD in absolute horror. All he could say was "NO, NO, NO, NO"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 01:35:17 PM
I'm sick. Gutted. So many little swing moments, so close and yet so far away. A poor, nervous start, followed by a good goalline stand and a field goal conceded. Then falling 10-0 down, coming back to 10-7, getting an interception and a likely field goal at least to tie at half time. Then marching all they way to first and goal, and all of a sudden a little fade to Fitzgerald and it's 14-10 Cards, surely. No, a seam route to Boldin, cut off by the linebacker. Gutted. Now what the f*ck. Jaysus he's going all the way. No way. Surely his knee was down. No. Touchdown. 17-10. Bollox.

Then the stand and the fieldgoal, only 20-7, still a 2 TD game. Then the harsh penalty on the FG attempt, so they get another 3 goes. Another stand. Re-kick. phew.

Then the Cardinals find their groove, on Offense and Defense. Warner and Fitz start to click. Breaston, Boldin, Urban and co moving the sticks. TD. Why didn't we throw that ball to Fitzgerald in the first half. No one better at that fade route. 20-14.

Defense steps up. Safety. Class. a TD now and we're a full FG ahead.

Then Larry Fitz gets his huge TD play as the Steelers give him the freedom of Tampa. Cardinals up by three!! Holy Jaysus. Wait a minute nearly 3 minutes left. Damn. Why didn't Polumalu tackle him about 6 yards out and give the cardinals a first and goal. Waste time. 3 minutes is too long. Ah well, at least they'll only get a Field Goal and OT.

Holding Call. Yes. 1st and 20. One last stand Cardinals. Oh no. First down. Back looking for Field Goal range again. Then Stupid Cards safety slips on the pass play, and Holmes goes to the 10 yard line. Feck it. Nearly be better to let him score then and have over a minute for Warner and co. Fade route left. Incomplete. Phew. Fade route right, over 3 defensive backs. What a catch. Unbelievable.

Sick.


Fair play to the Steelers though, they are a great franchise and it was a gutsy call to throw passes down there. An INT and the game was over. But what a pass and catch for the TD. On a sixpence.

I'm delighted at the year the Cardinals had, and now they have to keep competing. Question marks over Warner, James and Boldin in free Agency times, but apart from James and Warner it's a young team.

Oh how close though. How damn close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
Without trying to sound like I know the first thing about American Football because I don't..
I think the Arizona players were all guilty of ball watching right at the end..Why was yer man that caught the ball left on his own.... ??? There was no one behind him..First thing I was taught as a defender when playing soccer was always keep yer man in front of you when defending a long ball..
Zonal defense just doesn't work,mark the man first I say :D

Anyway apart from that as I am still off sick from work I stayed up late and watched all the match,can't say I'm converted into a fan of the sport but it was a exciting game true enough,bit like something you'd see Disney come up with in a movie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
QuoteFirst thing I was thought as a defender when playing soccer was always keep yer man in front of you when defending a long ball..

Depends Laoislad. That was a phenomonal throw into the only space it could have been caught. In general in the NFL you get corner backs trying to break in front of the play, because the receivers will catch nearly everything that actually makes it into their hands, so the idea is to get your hands there before them, or else at the same time to break it up. Playing purely from behind means they'll catch everything, and that is only used with a big lead, when you don't mind the recievers catching it, but you want them to play in front of you. It's called the 'prevent' defence, i.e. prevent a big scoring play.

However, inside 10 yards, with the routes the receivers take, it's very hard to keep them in front of you, so you usually go man for man, with the extra defenders picking up the common 'zones'. If you look at that play again, the man covering him was too far off him, but the others were in good position. An underthrown ball would have been picked off. An over thrown one would have been caught out of bounds. sometimes you just have to tip your hat.

The big plays on that drive were the 1st and 20 that got 13 yards. The big play that the safety fell down on just before the TD pass. If they had defended either of them properly, it would have been FG at best for the Steelers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 02, 2009, 02:09:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
QuoteFirst thing I was thought as a defender when playing soccer was always keep yer man in front of you when defending a long ball..

Depends Laoislad. That was a phenomonal throw into the only space it could have been caught. In general in the NFL you get corner backs trying to break in front of the play, because the receivers will catch nearly everything that actually makes it into their hands, so the idea is to get your hands there before them, or else at the same time to break it up. Playing purely from behind means they'll catch everything, and that is only used with a big lead, when you don't mind the recievers catching it, but you want them to play in front of you. It's called the 'prevent' defence, i.e. prevent a big scoring play.

However, inside 10 yards, with the routes the receivers take, it's very hard to keep them in front of you, so you usually go man for man, with the extra defenders picking up the common 'zones'. If you look at that play again, the man covering him was too far off him, but the others were in good position. An underthrown ball would have been picked off. An over thrown one would have been caught out of bounds. sometimes you just have to tip your hat.

The big plays on that drive were the 1st and 20 that got 13 yards. The big play that the safety fell down on just before the TD pass. If they had defended either of them properly, it would have been FG at best for the Steelers.

Fair enough I can see what your saying.
As i said I don't know too much about the game,last night was actually the first time I watched a entire game from start to finish,it was just something I thought might have helped if someone was behind the fella that caught the ball to punch it out of his grasp before he caught it..
or even do a Darby on him and push him in the back and then catch the ball himself  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on February 02, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 29, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
the cardinals -7 are worth a bet I would say.......
GSP in the UFC and the Cardinals Double this weekend - $12 bet pays $67

Not a whole pile of money but kept me interested and nice result.
Sorry to see the cardinals lose but it was a good enough game  - 2 minutes to go I thought they had it but the calls went against them yesterday and the steelers and big ben were on a mission
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 02, 2009, 03:01:41 PM
What about the final incomplete pass that was ruled a fumble lads. That was a terrible decision and it was never reviewed. There was a penalty on Pittsburgh that would have brought Arizona down to the Pittsburgh 29 for 1 or possibly even 2 attempts at the endzone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: longball on February 02, 2009, 03:04:49 PM
stayed up to watch the superbowl last nite was very entertaining!was rooting for the pilgrams but thats life
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 02, 2009, 03:06:16 PM
his hand was definetely coming forward on that last pass, HOW was it a fumble??
the chances of Arizona winning was slight anyway,
Hail Marys into the end zone dont work too often.
Poor Defensive play by Arizona to leave a Steeler receiver open in the endzone with 30 seconds to go even thought they must have had 8 defensive backs out there.
uncharacteristic of the Cardinals D in the playoffs who were absolutely outstanding.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 03:10:32 PM
I think it was a fumble because the first contact actually knocked the ball loose in Warners hand. He more 'pushed' the ball forward than had control for a proper throw. I don't think that was a bad call. There were some bad ones though. Dansby's 15 yarder on Roethlisberger was close, as was Adrian Wilsons 'running over the holder'. He was completely off balance and staggered into him.

At the end of the day though, the Cards 'D' had a 1st and 20, inside the Steelers 20, with just over 2 minutes remaining. They should have been able to close the deal there, or at least limit them to a fieldgoal. Poor coverage on 2 longish pass plays were the difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 02, 2009, 03:14:02 PM
Definetely wasnt roughing the passer that one near the end,(dansby??) on Big Ben, the Cardinal defender had already opened his body to make the hit.
It wasnt like he drilled him,or caught him above the helmet either, a slight push in the back.
Refs were far too eager to throw the yellow flags,
Aizona had what over 100 yards in penalties????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 03:18:32 PM
The Cards had something like 109 yards in penalties. That's a goal to goal touchdown drive in itself. As I said, some were harsh, but a lot was due to the nervy opening, and there were several holding calls on the O-Line as they struggled with the Steelers pass rush. Sometimes you take them though, because it's better at times than letting Warner get hammered.

The rest of the penalties were either harsh or bone headed. Rogers Cromartie got caught out a fair bit as well, he was having a great post season,  but his rookiness caught up with him. He played way too soft on Holmes, and then ended up missing tackles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 02, 2009, 03:38:53 PM
Do you think the Cards will stay with Warner for another season or give Matt Leinart a chance AZ? i know it seems a ridiculous question after the season hes just had,but im guessing with the 40-50 million dollars invested in Leinart,they want to see if he can lead this team for the next 10-12 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
I'd say they'll try and keep him, but I think he might retire. Leinhart will be the QB of the future, and if he learns off Warner it will be worthwhile. I think the scheme will suit Leinhart when he gets comfortable.

If I was to guess, I would say James will go, Warner will stay, and Boldin will go for a top RB. They'll draft another WR and Fitzgerald and Breaston will be 1-2 next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2009, 03:46:05 PM
Great game. When the Cardinals D needed to stiffen at the end they became the Cards of old. The long pass to Holmes was actually the back breaker. Even if the Steelers didnt get in they had a chip shot to go to O.T. I had a feeling the Cards scored too early, as 3 minutes is an eternity in an NFL game. I actually thought it was pretty poor coverage by the 3 Cards DB's for the winning score. They were not deep enough in the end zone and seemed to get drawn to the ball. Dockett had a tremendous second half. Interesting to see if Warner comes back, he had a great game even though im sure he wants the slant back that Harrison took to the house. They should have thrown a jump ball to Larry Fitt. Always sad to see the end of the NFL season...............  :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 02, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
I think Boldin would be foolish to leave and I don't think Warner should retire. They should also try to get Edg games to change his mind about leaving and add a few new defensive acquisitons and they could win the superbowl next year. Warner is a class act and could play forever. They have a lot of salary cap room to invest in new defensive players or a running back free agent. Whisenhunt is also a good young head coach, things are looking good for this franchise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 02, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
I think Boldin would be foolish to leave and I don't think Warner should retire. They should also try to get Edg games to change his mind about leaving and add a few new defensive acquisitons and they could win the superbowl next year. Warner is a class act and could play forever. They have a lot of salary cap room to invest in new defensive players or a running back free agent. Whisenhunt is also a good young head coach, things are looking good for this franchise.

You'd imagine the Cards should make a run again next season if they can hold onto most of their key men. They are in a weak division so should be favourites to at least reach the play-offs again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 02, 2009, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 02, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
I think Boldin would be foolish to leave and I don't think Warner should retire. They should also try to get Edg games to change his mind about leaving and add a few new defensive acquisitons and they could win the superbowl next year. Warner is a class act and could play forever. They have a lot of salary cap room to invest in new defensive players or a running back free agent. Whisenhunt is also a good young head coach, things are looking good for this franchise.

You'd imagine the Cards should make a run again next season if they can hold onto most of their key men. They are in a weak division so should be favourites to at least reach the play-offs again.

Im not sure GBB. I cant help but feel that they got in there due to the other teams effectively blowing it at the end of the regular season, and in the playoffs. As they say, anything can happen in the playoffs, but they will only have deserved this year in my mind, if they can replicate the season next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2009, 05:27:07 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 02, 2009, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 02, 2009, 05:05:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 02, 2009, 04:59:58 PM
I think Boldin would be foolish to leave and I don't think Warner should retire. They should also try to get Edg games to change his mind about leaving and add a few new defensive acquisitons and they could win the superbowl next year. Warner is a class act and could play forever. They have a lot of salary cap room to invest in new defensive players or a running back free agent. Whisenhunt is also a good young head coach, things are looking good for this franchise.

You'd imagine the Cards should make a run again next season if they can hold onto most of their key men. They are in a weak division so should be favourites to at least reach the play-offs again.

Im not sure GBB. I cant help but feel that they got in there due to the other teams effectively blowing it at the end of the regular season, and in the playoffs. As they say, anything can happen in the playoffs, but they will only have deserved this year in my mind, if they can replicate the season next year.

Unfair Puckoon. The only team that broke 'for' them was the New York Giants losing to Philly. That brought the NFC game to Phoenix instead of New York.

they beat Atlanta and Carolina (away) the best two teams in the best division in Football. That's proper form.

They beat Philly fair and square, and came up 35 seconds short against Pittsburgh and their vaunted defense.

You can never tell what way the next year will go in the NFL, 'any given Sunday' and all that. But the Cardinals have made genuine progress this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 02, 2009, 05:31:57 PM
Ack no doubt AZ that they are there on merit - but lets be honest, on paper they werent expected to get there. Hence all the talk about a fairytale ending and so on.

I dont begrudge them - they've certainly earned my respect - I just hope it wasnt a flash in the pan season. Who knows? The very fact that the falcons and panthers were the two best teams in the best division in football kinda suggest just how upset the applecart was this year in the NFL.

All the "good" teams seemed to beat themselves this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 02, 2009, 05:53:42 PM
Money talks in Super Bowl
Mihir Bose - BBC sports editor
2 Feb 09, 11:22 AM
Modern sports are a marriage between athletic activity and mammon.

The romantics among us like to believe that whatever the money men say, sporting endeavour honed on honest hard work and laced with brilliance, plus a bit of luck, will always triumph.

But no modern sports would be possible without sponsors, broadcasters and advertisers putting in pots of money.

The Super Bowl, the sporting party that brings America together, from the White House to living rooms up and down the land, is the ultimate expression of this.

Yes, the match itself was superb and America will long debate whether it was the greatest ever Super Bowl.


The script could have been written in Hollywood - the underdog Cardinals living up to their reputation for much of the match then scoring a touchdown in the last few minutes that seemed to win it for them, only for the Steelers to score in the final seconds.

But this sporting drama could not disguise the fact that the Super Bowl is ultimately about recognising the men with the purse strings.

The NFL underlined this when, at the end of this match, the Super Bowl trophy, having been carried to the stadium by NFL great Joe Namath, was presented not to the Steelers team or their coach, but the owner, Art Rooney. Imagine Manchester United winning the Premier League and the trophy being given to Joel Glazer.

But then a few days before the Super Bowl, the man who has been the songster of America in recent decades explained why he was attending. He has no interest in football, he just wanted to use the occasion to promote his latest product.

Over the years Bruce Springsteen has often been courted by the NFL. This time he finally consented because, as he admitted, "We have a new album coming out dummy; come on there is a new record out in the stores. So we have our mercenary reasons of course."

For all his disdain for football, Springsteen found this Super Bowl so useful that he held his first press conference for 30 years.

This talk of money was, however, laced with a new fear - that the downturn made this Super Bowl different.

In the week leading up to it over 50,000 jobs were lost in America. A few minutes' drive from the stadium at a union office for carpenters the talk has been about finding jobs. In a state which lost 88,000 construction jobs last year, laid-off workers living on $250 (£175) a week unemployment pay could not imagine getting tickets costing $1,500 (£1,053) each.

The effect of this was to be seen on the party scene that accompanies Super Bowls. The magazines Sports Illustrated and Playboy decided not to host parties, and a study by Price Waterhouse estimated that direct spending on this year's Super Bowl would be $150m (£105m), $50million (£35m) less than at Phoenix and Miami, the two previous Super Bowls.

So why, amidst all this gloom, does the NFL remain confident that the downturn will not seriously threaten its status as America's game?

The reason is that NFL is based on a unique American sporting socialism. It believes, as Cardinals president Michael Bidwell put it to me, in competitive balance between teams; that no team should get so much money that it overshadows the others.


All 32 NFL teams share revenues equally. Individual clubs can earn a bit more in their local markets but not a great deal more.

Neither the Cardinals nor the Steelers earned much more by reaching the Super Bowl. Contrast this with the nearly £30m extra Manchester United earned in winning the Champions League.

The salary cap means most club expenditures are in line. Salaries could be a problem in 2010 when new negotiations are due, there are murmurings about problems with the players union and season ticket renewals will have to be watched. Already clubs are freezing prices and even during this season's play-offs clubs struggled to fill seats.

But NFL bosses remain confident that the downturn will not see too many changes.

One major reason for this is the way the NFL's controls not only regulate debt but ownership. You cannot just fly in from abroad and buy an NFL club. Yes, NFL clubs can suddenly up sticks and move but the owner remains the same.

Look at the Cardinals. Arizona is their third home but they are still owned by the Bidwell family which bought the franchise in 1932. The Steelers have also been in the same family since the 1930s and such long-term family ownership, unknown in the Premier League, is common in the NFL.

This gives the owners a stake in the NFL and its structure. They believe that their clubs are not like restaurants in a high street trying to do each other down, but part of a chain that needs to do well collectively if the chain is to survive and prosper.

And owners like Robert Kraft of the New England Patriots believe that ideas like salary caps could also work in England.

For many in the Premier League this will seem an anathema. The Premier League is successful, it does not need lessons from anyone and the American model is very different - it cannot be imported.

Yet the American idea that sports and money work best not through unchecked capitalism but when there is sharing is an idea whose time may have come.

And with the downturn impossible to predict, even successful brands like the Premier League would do well to look at it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 02, 2009, 06:10:59 PM
Interesting piece from Bose alright. Read a great book last year - Forty Million Dollar Slaves: The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of the Black Athlete  - This review taken from Amazon

New York Times columnist Rhoden offers a charged assessment of the state of black athletes in America, using the pervasive metaphor of the plantation to describe a modern sports industry defined by white ownership and black labor. The title and the notion behind it are sure to raise eyebrows, and Rhoden admits that his original title of Lost Tribe Wandering, for all its symbolic elegance, lacked punch. And Rhoden isn't pulling any of his. Rather than seeing rags-to-riches stories where underprivileged athletes reach the Promised Land by way of their skills, he casts the system as one in which those athletes are isolated from their backgrounds, used to maximize profit and instilled with a mindset "whereby money does not necessarily alter one's status as 'slave,' as long as the 'owner' is the one who controls the rules that allow that money to be made." Rhoden's writing is intelligent and cogent, and his book's tone is hardly as inflammatory as its name. It's possible that his title and working metaphor will turn off readers who will simply refuse to consider young men making millions of dollars playing a game to be disenfranchised. Nevertheless, this is an insightful look at the role of blacks in sports they dominate but hardly control.

Any Black owners in the NFL??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 02, 2009, 06:57:01 PM
Quote from: Declan on February 02, 2009, 06:10:59 PM


Any Black owners in the NFL??

no, but theres a black coach, black q/bs and a black ..... president
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 02, 2009, 07:50:48 PM
I know there are black players coaches and yes even a president. Reason I asked about the owners was because of the original article by Bose and the thesis in the book I referred to
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
SO going forward to 2009, who looks to be primed for making a play-off run. While the draft and the trades have yet to be settled going on what we've seen this year, I think next year the Falcons will be in there, Patriots might be back strong again, Pittsburgh of course, Tennessee, Miami (if Parcells is still there), Redskins possibly, Panthers, Cardinals clearly have the talent in some positions but I get the feeling Warner wont be there and they need a run game.

Colts are on a downward curve, Eagles, Giants, Chargers Cowboys too,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 03, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
SO going forward to 2009, who looks to be primed for making a play-off run. While the draft and the trades have yet to be settled going on what we've seen this year, I think next year the Falcons will be in there, Patriots might be back strong again, Pittsburgh of course, Tennessee, Miami (if Parcells is still there), Redskins possibly, Panthers, Cardinals clearly have the talent in some positions but I get the feeling Warner wont be there and they need a run game.

Colts are on a downward curve, Eagles, Giants, Chargers Cowboys too,

Hate to say it but watch for the Vikings, Ravens and Saints.

Hopefully the Bears if the D picks up a bit and a great QB & WR via trade or draft.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 03, 2009, 02:56:30 AM
Something fishy in Steelers' diet aids cardiovascular health
Monday, February 02, 2009
By David Templeton, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
And you thought it was the coaching.

But one fat advantage the Steelers have held over their opponents this year has involved a secret supplement that should offend no one but the Miami Dolphins.

The Steelers have been swallowing fish oil.

Thirty-six Steelers, ages 23 to 41, participated in a two-year study to determine the cardiovascular advantages of moderately high doses of fish oil. Results conclude that the omega-3 oil raised their high-density lipoproteins (good cholesterol) and lowered very low-density lipoproteins (a form of bad cholesterol) and triglycerides.

The study appears in the new journal, Sports Health: A Multi-Disciplinary Approach.

Experts say fish oil also is an anti-inflammatory agent, which allows athletes to heal faster from injury while improving attention span, reaction time and cognitive processing.

"[Steelers Head Coach] Mike Tomlin is an amazing guy, but I think there was something else going on there," said Dr. Michael Gross, an omega-3 expert and chief medical officer of Lifeguard Health LLC, a fish-oil supplement company in Plymouth Meeting, Montgomery County.

It's not known how many Steelers continued using the fish oil after the study, but doctors said participants were schooled on the beneficial results and competitive advantages it provides.

"This is very simple and safe therapy that's inexpensive," said Dr. James Ehrlich, chief medical officer for Atherotech Inc. of Birmingham, Ala. that developed the Vertical Auto Profile test used to analyze cholesterol levels. "Their numbers look very good."

The study says 82 percent of 233 retired National Football League players under age 50 were found to have abnormal narrowing and blockages of arteries, compared with the general population of the same age.

Dr. Ehrlich noted that many offensive and defensive linemen are obese and have the precursor to diabetes known as metabolic syndrome, along with high blood pressure and cholesterol. About 40 percent also suffer from sleep apnea. Football injuries often render them unable to exercise after retirement. Together, the factors are a formula for heart disease.

"The NFL athlete statistically is at higher risk for future cardiovascular disease and sudden heart attack," Dr. Ehrlich said. "The study demonstrated effectively and dramatically that fish oil improved good cholesterol and lowered damaging particles and triglycerides. It went in the right direction for all of them."

Two years ago, Dr. Joseph C. Maroon, vice chairman of neurological surgery at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, and Jeffery Bost, wrote the book, "Fish Oil: The Natural Anti-inflammatory." Dr. Maroon, who also is the team neurosurgeon for the Steelers, said he successfully used fish oil to reduce arthritis in his hands when ibuprofen use led to a stomach ulcer.

That led to discussions with Dr. Anthony Yates, a UPMC internal medicine specialist and Steelers team doctor. Drs. Yates and Maroon along with Mr. Bost, a physician's assistant, approached Steeler Trainer John Norwig, who helped to get the study underway on a random sampling of Steelers. Some were placed on fish oil while others used a placebo as the control group.

Highly purified fish oil supplements with mixed levels of EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) -- the two healthful polyunsaturated fats in fish oil -- were used for 60 days.

Good cholesterol, or HDL levels, rose on average by 26 percent in the treatment group compared with 14 percent in the control group. The treatment group also experienced an 8 percent decline in triglycerides, while the control group had a 44 percent increase. High triglyceride levels are a good predictor of coronary heart disease.

Although no significant changes in LDL or bad cholesterol were noted, declines in damaging particles -- including very low-density and intermediate-density lipoproteins -- were noted in those using fish oil.

Despite the small number of participants, "rather dramatic improvements in blood lipid profiles were achieved using moderately high doses of omega-3 fish oil supplementation," the study states.

The results suggest that "the professional NFL player should consider continued use of omega-3 supplementation throughout his active years and in retirement."

The study notes that Dr. Maroon, as a study coauthor, has a potential conflict of interest as a member of the advisory board for Nordic Naturals, which produces fish-oil supplements.

"The first role of a physician is prevention of disease," Dr. Maroon said. "I'd much rather prevent disease than treat it after it occurs.

"These athletes are intelligent and know what's best for their bodies and minds. With the scientific reports of the benefits of fish oil, they were quite enthusiastic to participate," he said.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 05, 2009, 09:37:20 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 16, 2009, 02:52:38 PM
Tickets for Wembley 09 on sale next wednesday. Great timing, just after christmas and before most people get paid. Wow, real considerate. Why do they even bother selling them so early in the year anyway.

Lads did any of ye get them ? I didn't get any email this time were they advertised differently this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 05, 2009, 10:00:14 AM
I got 3, same as last year upper tier near midfield
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 12:07:41 PM
is the pro bowl on tv over here?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2009, 12:22:37 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 12:07:41 PM
is the pro bowl on tv over here?

Sky Sports at 9pm on Sunday night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 12:25:21 PM
Thanks, never watched the pro bowl before, do the players take is seriously?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2009, 12:34:52 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2009, 12:25:21 PM
Thanks, never watched the pro bowl before, do the players take is seriously?

No its just a nice end of season holiday for them. There are some modifications in the rules too i think, no rushing the quarterback, blocking kicks. The score is usually about 45-41.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 03, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
SO going forward to 2009, who looks to be primed for making a play-off run. While the draft and the trades have yet to be settled going on what we've seen this year, I think next year the Falcons will be in there, Patriots might be back strong again, Pittsburgh of course, Tennessee, Miami (if Parcells is still there), Redskins possibly, Panthers, Cardinals clearly have the talent in some positions but I get the feeling Warner wont be there and they need a run game.

Colts are on a downward curve, Eagles, Giants, Chargers Cowboys too,

Hate to say it but watch for the Vikings, Ravens and Saints.

Hopefully the Bears if the D picks up a bit and a great QB & WR via trade or draft.




Yeah. D had no ability to get to opposing QB's last year so that needs to be looked at. They're not that far awat from bieng really good. Hopefully Forte can reproduce his form of last season but he needs some help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2009, 03:25:33 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on January 31, 2009, 09:23:08 AM
Lads I don't know if this was asked before, but do you know the program on Sky Sports "America's Game".  Is that available to buy on DVD?

£125 for Super Bowl I-XL, this is shipped from the UK.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B000VAHQW4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on February 05, 2009, 04:25:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 05, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on February 03, 2009, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: thejuice on February 02, 2009, 10:09:16 PM
SO going forward to 2009, who looks to be primed for making a play-off run. While the draft and the trades have yet to be settled going on what we've seen this year, I think next year the Falcons will be in there, Patriots might be back strong again, Pittsburgh of course, Tennessee, Miami (if Parcells is still there), Redskins possibly, Panthers, Cardinals clearly have the talent in some positions but I get the feeling Warner wont be there and they need a run game.

Colts are on a downward curve, Eagles, Giants, Chargers Cowboys too,

Hate to say it but watch for the Vikings, Ravens and Saints.

Hopefully the Bears if the D picks up a bit and a great QB & WR via trade or draft.




Yeah. D had no ability to get to opposing QB's last year so that needs to be looked at. They're not that far awat from bieng really good. Hopefully Forte can reproduce his form of last season but he needs some help.

Spot on mag, they never seem to get to the QB. On offense im hoping to see Orton keep improving and show he can be a franchise QB as well as 1st draft pick being a WR. Something to be cheerful about:
The Bears have the easiest schedule in the NFL next year with games against the Lions (0-16) twice, the Rams (2-14) Seahawks (4-12) Browns (4-12) and Bengals (4-11-1). That said, they are the only team that will play all 4 division finalists from this year, steelers, ravens, eagles & cards...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2009, 04:39:15 PM
Free agents

QuoteArizona Cardinals: RB JJ Arrington, LB Monty Beisel, DE Bertrand Berry, OL Elton Brown, CB Ralph Brown, LB Karlos Dansby, P Ben Graham, CB Eric Green, LB Clark Hagans, OL Scott Peters, DE Antonio Smith, RB Terrelle Smith, QB Brian St. Pierre, QB Kurt Warner.

Atlanta Falcons: LB Michael Boley, De Chauncey Davis, CB Domonique Foxworth, OL Wayne Gandy, DT Grady Jackson, LB Tony Gilbert, DT Jason Jefferson, P/K Michael Koenen, S Lawyer Milloy, TE Justin Peelle, TE Marcus Pollard, LB Coy Wire.

Buffalo Bills: OL Kirk Chambers, LB Angelo Crowell, OL Melvin Fowler, CB Jabari Greer, LB Teddy Lehman, QB JP Losman, RB Corey McIntyre, OL Duke Preston, OL Jason Whittle.

Baltimore Ravens: QB Kyle Boller, QB Todd Bouman, OL Jason Brown, WR Terrance Copper, CB Corey Ivy, S Jim Leonhard, LB Ray Lewis, FB Lorenzo Neal, LB Bart Scott, OL Chad Slaughter, K Matt Stover, DE Terrell Suggs, TE Daniel Wilcox.

Chicago Bears: S Mike Brown, QB Rex Grossman, RB Kevin Jones, WR Brandon Lloyd, LB Darrell McClover, S Brandon McGowan, OL Fred Miller, OL John St. Clair, S Cameron Worrell.

Cleveland Browns: S Mike Adams, CB Travis Daniels, LB Andra Davis, TE Darnell Dinkins, OL Lennie Friedman, LB Kris Griffin, CB Daven Holly, S Sean Jones, LB Willie McGinest, OL Seth McKinney, LB Shantee Orr, RB Jason Wright, OL, Scott Young.

Cincinnati Bengals: OL Stacy Andrews, RB Cedric Benson, LB Darryl Blackstock, S Chris Crocker, QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, CB Jamar Fletcher, OL Eric Ghiaciuc, K Shayne Graham, WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, DT John Thornton.

Carolina Panthers: LB Donte' Curry, OL Jordan Gross, OL Geoff Hangartner, WR Mark Jones, LB, Jason Kyle, OL Frank Omiyale, DE Julius Peppers, LB Adam Seward, DT Darwin Walker.

Denver Broncos: RB Tatum Bell, De Ebenezer Ekuban, De Carlos Hall, WR Darrell Jackson, S Marlon McCree, C Tom Nalen, CB Karl Paymah, DE Kenny Peterson, RB Michael Pittman, TE Jeb Putzier, QB Patrick Ramsey, WR Edell Shepherd, LB Nate Webster.

Dallas Cowboys: OL Joe Berger, QB Brooks Bollinger, DE Chris Canty, S Keith Davis, DT Tank Johnson, LB Carlos Polk, WR Paris Warren.

Detroit Lions: RB Aveion Cason, DT Shaun Cody, WR Keary Colbert, OL Damion Cook, OL George Foster, P/K Jason Hanson, RB Rudi Johnson, Paris Lenon, OL Andy McCollum, WR Shaun McDonald, DT Langston Moore, LB Ryan Nece, RB Moran Norris, QB Dan Orlovsky, TE John Owens, OL Stephen Peterman, DE Corey Smith, CB Stanley Wilson.

Green Bay Packers: DT Colin Cole, DE Mike Montgomery, OL Mark Tauscher.

Houston Texans: S C.C. Brown, TE Mark Bruener, CB DeMarcus Faggins, S Nick Ferguson, OL Scott Jackson, OL Bryan Pittman, CB Dunta Robinson, RB Cecil Sapp, OL Chris White, CB Jimmy Williams, S Eugene Wilson, DT Jeff Zgonina.

Indianapolis Colts: RB Najeh Davenport, S Matt Giordano, LB Tyjuan Hagler, CB Kelvin Hayden, CB Keiwan Ratliff, DT Darrell Reid, RB Dominic Rhodes, C Jeff Saturday, DE Josh Thomas.

Jacksonville Jaguars: OL Brad Meester, OL Chris Naeole, Rb Alvin Pearman, LB Mike Peterson, S Pierson Prioleau, S Gerald Sensabaugh, CB Scott Starks, TE Joe Zelenka.

Kansas City Chiefs: LB Jason Babin, LB Rocky Boiman, S Oliver Celestin, OL Adrian Jones, S Jon McGraw, LB Patrick Thomas.

Miami Dolphins: S Yeremiah Bell, T Vernon Carey, ILB Channing Crowder, CB Andre' Goodman, S Renaldo Hill, C Al Johnson, WR Tab Perry, LB Derek Smith.

Minnesota Vikings: DT Kendrick Allen, C Matt Birk, S Michael Boulware, LB Heath Farwell, LB Napoleon Harris, DT Jimmy Kennedy, TE Jim Kleinsasser, CB Benny Sapp, S Darren Sharper, LB Dontarrious Thomas, DE Kenechi Udeze, DT Ellis Wyms.

New England Patriots: QB Matt Cassel, LB Roosevelt Colvin, RB Heath Evans, WR Jabar Gaffney, P/K Chris Hanson, S Rodney Harrison, OL Russ Hochstein, LB Larry Izzo, RB LaMont Jordan, CB Deltha O'Neal, OL Lonie Paxton, S James Sanders, CB Lewis Sanders, LB Junior Seau, KT Kenny Smith, OL Barry Stokes, S Tank Williams, DT Mike Wright.

New Orleans Saints: CB Jeremetrius Butler, TE Mark Campbell, LB Troy Evans, CB Aaron Glenn, K Martin Gramatica, QB Joey Harrington, WR Devery Henderson, S Terrence Holt, DT Antwan Lake, CB Michael Lehan, OL Matt Lehr, DT James Reed, RB Aaron Stecker, OL Jon Stinchcomb, LB Jonathan Vilma,.

New York Giants: S James Butler, P/K John Carney, QB David Carr, RB Brandon Jacobs, DE Jerome McDougle, CB R.W. McQuarters, OL Grey Ruegamer, LB Rich Scanlon, WR Amani Toomer, RB Derrick Ward, QB Anthony Wright, DE Renaldo Wynn.

New York Jets: LB Eric Barton, CB Ahmad Carroll, RB Jesse Chatman, K Jay Feely, TE Bubba Franks, CB Ty Law, DT C.J. Mosley, K Mike Nugent, CB Hank Poteat, S J.R. Reed, RB Tony Richardson, LB Cody Spencer.

Oakland Raiders: CB Nnamdi Asomugha, S Rashad Baker, OL Carlisle Cooper, WR Drew Carter, LB Isaiah Ekejiuba, Cb Chris Johnson, DT William Joseph, P Shane Lechler, WR Ashley Lelie, CB Justin Miller, TE Tony Stewart, QB Marques Tuiasosopo, LB Sam Williams.

Philadelphia Eagles: RB Correll Buckhalter, S Sean Considine, S Brian Dawkins, CB Joselio Hanson, RT Jon Runyan, TE L.J. Smith, OL Tra Thomas.

Pittsburgh Steelers: QB Charlie Batch, P Mitch Berger, CB Fernando Bryant, OL Trai Essex, LB Keyaron Rox, LB Andre Frazier, OL Chris Kemoeatu, QB Byron Leftwich, CB Bryant McFadden, DE Orpheus Roye, OL Marvel Smith, OL Max Starks, WR Nate Washington.

San Diego Chargers: OL Kynan Forney, OL Mike Goff, LB Marques Harris, OL Jeremy Newbarry, RB Darren Sproles.

San Francisco 49ers: TE Billy Bajema, DT Damane Duckett, DT Ron Fields, RB DeShaun Foster, DE Roderick Green, WR Bryant Johnson, QB Jamie Martin, QB J.T. O'Sullivan, CB Allen Rossum, TE Sean Ryan, LB Takeo Spikes, CB Donald Stickland.

St. Louis Rams: S Oshiomogho Atogwe, CB Ronald Bartell, Cb Fakir Brown, CB Jason Craft, OL Anthony Davis, DT La'Roi Glover, OL Adam Goldberg, OL Brandon Gorin, WR Dante' Hall, OL Nick Leckey, WR Dane Looker, CB Ricky Manning, RB Travis Minor, DE Eric Moore, OL Rob Petitti, C Brett Romberg, LB Gary Stills, OL Cory Withrow.

Seattle Seahawks: DT Rocky Bernard, WR Bobby Engram, QB Charlie Frye, G Chris Gray, DT Howard Green, TE Will Heller, LB Leroy Hill, LB D.D. Lewis, LB Wes Mallard, OL Steve McKinney, RB Maurice Morris, TE Jeff Robinson, WR Koren Robinson, RB Leonard Weaver, OL Ray Willis, OL Pork Chop Womack.

Tampa Bay Bucs: S Will Allen, WR Antonio Bryant, CB Phillip Buchanon, DE Kevin Carter, LB Pat Chukwurah, QB Jeff Garcia, WR Cortez Hankerton, DT Jovan Haye, QB Luke McCown, S Jermaine Phillips, DT Ryan Sims, TE Jeremy Stevens.

Tennessee Titans: K Rob Bironas, CB Chris Carr, QB Kerry Collins, S Vincent Fuller, DT Albert Haynesworth, P Craig Hentrich, CB Reynaldo Hill, WR Brandon Jones, CB Eric King, OL Daniel Loper, WR Justin McCareins, CB Tyrone Poole, TE Bo Scaife, QB Chris Simms.

Washington Redskins: LS Ethan Albright, DT Ryan Boschetti, LB Khary Campbell, De Demetric Evans, OL Jason Fabini, LB Alfred Fincher, S Mike Green, CB DeAngelo Hall, G Pete Kendall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 09, 2009, 07:53:24 AM
Jesus  - Is Baseball as bad as cycling?


Steroids accusations haunt US baseball

By Mike Carlson
US sports analyst

Alex Rodriguez had been viewed as a "clean" player
They called him "ARod" but now it is "AFraud" and "ARoid".
Alex Rodriguez, star third-baseman for the New York Yankees, baseball's highest-paid player and, with 553 home runs already hit at age 33, the latest threat to the all-time record, has been accused of using steroids.
But the impact of the scandal goes beyond one player. It is as if the sport itself has failed another drug test.
No matter how hard they try, Major League Baseball cannot make the steroids go away.
It has been more than a year since ex-Senator George Mitchell released his report into baseball's steroid abuse, implicating many of its biggest stars, including current all-time home-run king Barry Bonds and pitcher Roger Clemens.
As I wrote on this website at the time, Americans hold baseball to a higher standard, and the revelation that the player his Seattle teammates called "Mr Clean" may be a drug cheat is another crippling blow.
Perhaps in retribution for years of keeping their heads buried in the drug-free sand, steroids are back in baseball's headlines.
Timed to coincide with the opening of Bonds's trial for perjury in telling a federal grand jury he had never taken steroids, Sports Illustrated broke the story on their website, saying Rodriguez had tested positive in 2003 for both testosterone and for the "designer steroid" primobolan.
The drugs were not banned in baseball at the time, although primobolan has never been authorised even for prescription use in the US.
The testing, which covered all 1,198 major league players, had been agreed with the players' association to determine the extent of drug use in the game: if more than 5% of the players tested positive, it would trigger the instituting of mandatory random tests in 2004.
Nearly 9%, or 104 players, tested positive, though their identities were supposed to remain secret and no punishments were called for.
Confronted by SI.com reporter Selena Roberts in Miami, Rodriguez passed up the chance to comment on the report. "You'll have to talk to the union," he said. "I'm not saying anything."
Rodriguez has been a star ever since he went directly from high school in Miami to the Seattle Mariners with the first pick of the 1993 amateur draft.
As a fine defensive shortstop with both speed and power, he led a resurgent Mariners team before abandoning them as a free agent to sign a then unheard-of 10-year contract with the moribund Texas Rangers, for $252m - $2m more than owner Tom Hicks (of Liverpool FC) had paid for the team.
The year 2003 was his last year in Texas. He won the league's home run title and was the Most Valuable Player but in 2004 he was traded to New York, where he was hailed as a saviour.
But since his arrival the Yankees have failed to reach the World Series and his quiet performances in October's playoffs have made him the fans' favourite target.
He has faced accusations of poor sportsmanship on field and of multiple adulteries off it.
Last summer, stories emerged speculating about a possible relationship with Madonna, claims the pop star denied. Rodriguez's wife sued for divorce and reports said she had told friends the singer had used Kabbalah to "brainwash" her husband.
In 2007, Rodriguez announced, in the middle of the World Series, that he did not want to return to New York.
The Yankees rewarded him with a new 10-year deal, worth a minimum of $275m, with $6m bonuses payable whenever he passes one of the four players still ahead of him on the all-time home run list: Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron and Bonds.
He signed the contract the same day the Mitchell Report was released and became the acceptable face of baseball, despite accusations by former player Jose Canseco, a confessed steroid abuser, that he had provided ARod with the name of his supplier (and that ARod tried to seduce his wife but Canseco was promoting his second book).
Interviewed by Katie Couric on the prestigious 60 Minutes news magazine, Rodriquez said point-blank that he not only had never used steroids, he had never been tempted to.
Now those statements may come back to haunt him, just as a failure to face up to the prevalence of performance-enhancing drugs years ago has come back to haunt baseball.
The one thing unlikely to come back is George Mitchell.
Having dealt with the Northern Ireland peace process and drafted a landmark report on Arab-Israeli relations in 1991, the former senator is currently Barack Obama's special envoy to the Middle East.
Compared to sorting out baseball, Mr Mitchell may feel he has got it easy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 09, 2009, 03:02:21 PM
Jesus  - Is Baseball as bad as cycling?

I feel some sympathy for both those sports, at least they are trying to do something about drugs. The downside is that any positive tests lead to bad publicity. The NFL which has at least as much steroid use (probably much more) gets little or no bad publicity about performance enhancing drugs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 09, 2009, 03:07:52 PM
On another Topic, Ireland's favourite son, Larry Fitzgerald, was named MVP of the Pro Bowl in Hawai'i, catching 2 TD passes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 09, 2009, 04:29:17 PM
Philadelphia FD Blue Flame Vs Univ. Limerick Vikings,
Dingle, Co.Kerry
27th Feb - 1st Mar


As part of Comórtas Peile Páidi O Sé. Should be great craic. I'd say there'll be plenty lads buckled in more ways than one after it all. Wish I could go to this but I've already planned a weekend away in Wales. More info here:

http://www.irishcentral.com/IrishVoice/Article.asp?ID=3316
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 09, 2009, 08:32:50 PM
A-Rod admits, regrets use of PEDs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847)

Well he has admitted it, but claims it was only while he was with the Texas Rangers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 10, 2009, 06:17:59 PM

Steelers don't know about Big Ben's rib injury

By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer Feb 9, 4:05 pm EST



PITTSBURGH (AP)—The Pittsburgh Steelers have no knowledge that Ben Roethlisberger played the Super Bowl with two broken ribs, as the quarterback told a Web site.

According to SI.com, Roethlisberger said his fractured ribs did not show up on X-rays taken before he led the Steelers to a 27-23 win over Arizona on Feb. 1, but were revealed only during a MRI test he had last week.

"Luckily, in the game, I didn't take any big hits to make 'em hurt," Roethlisberger told SI.com. "But I knew all along there was something wrong. There wouldn't have been anything that could have been done about fractured ribs anyway. It was just suck it up and play.

Roethlisberger did not miss any practices before the Super Bowl, although a pool report from the Wednesday practice said he attempted during the middle of the workout to stretch his torso. He missed one practice during the off week before the Super Bowl because of what the team said was a back injury.

"There's not a whole lot to say," Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said Monday. "Ben was fine to go. He was cleared to play. He didn't miss any (practice) time. There was no doubt he was going to play."

The Steelers said it would have been difficult for Roethlisberger to play any better than he did in leading the decisive 78-yard drive that ended with a precisely thrown 6-yard touchdown pass to Santonio Holmes with 35 seconds remaining, Several plays before, Roethlisberger—leading his sixth game-winning drive of the season—hit Holmes on a 40-yard completion.

Roethlisberger did not mention any possible injury during post-game interviews.

It is uncertain if the validity of Roethlisberger's claim will be proven.

NFL teams do not routinely require players to undergo MRI or other medical tests during the offseason, and Roethlisberger isn't due back in Pittsburgh until offseason workouts begin in April. By then, any problem that occurred before or during the Super Bowl might not show up in tests.

Roethlisberger has previously exaggerated or misstated injuries he supposedly suffered during his five-season career.

The day after the January 2005 AFC championship game, Roethlisberger said he broke two toes during the 41-27 loss to New England. Coach Bill Cowher emphatically denied that, saying the quarterback merely aggravated a toe injury from college. Roethlisberger never brought up the issue again.

Roethlisberger also said during training camp in 2006 that he played the Steelers' Super Bowl-winning season of 2005 with a broken thumb. Roethlisberger missed no playing time after supposedly being hurt on Nov. 28, 2005, in Indianapolis and the team never revealed any such injury.

After Cowher resigned following the 2006 season, Roethlisberger acknowledged he and the coach didn't always get along—in part, apparently, because Cowher felt the quarterback exaggerated the extent of injuries.

It also was reported that Roethlisberger sustained a spinal cord concussion against Cleveland on Dec. 28, but the team said only that he had a concussion.

"Ben's health is often the subject of inaccurate reports," coach Mike Tomlin said before the Super Bowl. "He's fine."
Updated Feb 9, 4:05 pm EST
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 11, 2009, 09:32:42 PM
Favres gone again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 11, 2009, 09:38:24 PM
groundhog day ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 11, 2009, 10:17:22 PM
Another tearful press conference then back in time for training camp to whoever will give him the biggest one year contract. . . . . . ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
I think hes done this time. Came back, proved them wrong, helped the jets.

Warner is the new Favre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 11, 2009, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
I think hes done this time. Came back, proved them wrong, helped the jets.

Warner is the new Favre
He didnt help them much towards the end of the season, threw as many picks as TD's over the season. Warner is just waiting for the lord to tell him what to do, does anyone remember Reggie White when if became a free agent and every team in the league wanted him. He said he was waiting on the good lord to tell him who to sign with,he went to the Packers,who offered him the biggest contract. . . . . .The Lord is no mug
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 11, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
 :D Minder - thats classic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on February 11, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
L...oads
O..f
R..olled
D..ollars

Lord see?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on February 11, 2009, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
Warner is the new Favre
Warner will have to do a lot more to be the "new" Favre. Favre has done so much more, Warner, while one of my favourite players, is getting of a lot of talk as a great due to his performance this season.

Quote from: Minder on February 11, 2009, 10:28:12 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
I think hes done this time. Came back, proved them wrong, helped the jets.

He didnt help them much towards the end of the season, threw as many picks as TD's over the season. Warner is just waiting for the lord to tell him what to do, does anyone remember Reggie White when if became a free agent and every team in the league wanted him. He said he was waiting on the good lord to tell him who to sign with,he went to the Packers,who offered him the biggest contract. . . . . .The Lord is no mug

Well he won two superbowls with them, so looks like the Lord got it right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 12, 2009, 08:23:11 AM
White won one superbowl with the Packers,i dont think the Lord got it right. I think his agent did. How much more would Warner have to do to be on a level with Favre,i know who i would rather have running an offense for me and it isnt Favre. Rod Woodson said a few weeks ago that Favre will be in the Hall Of Fame but there isnt a Quarterback in Canton with worse judgement on a football field than Favre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 15, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: dec on February 09, 2009, 08:32:50 PM
A-Rod admits, regrets use of PEDs (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847)

Well he has admitted it, but claims it was only while he was with the Texas Rangers.

hard to beat the new york daily news headline for the story:  A HOLE
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 15, 2009, 10:55:16 PM
Redneck Super Bowl is on at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on February 15, 2009, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 12, 2009, 08:23:11 AM
White won one superbowl with the Packers,i dont think the Lord got it right. I think his agent did. How much more would Warner have to do to be on a level with Favre,i know who i would rather have running an offense for me and it isnt Favre. Rod Woodson said a few weeks ago that Favre will be in the Hall Of Fame but there isnt a Quarterback in Canton with worse judgement on a football field than Favre
Again, you are basing a lot of your opinion on this season's performances. This season, yes, Warner has been a much better qb than Favre, but you wouldnt be calling for him to be in the hall of fame when he lost his job numerous times to the likes of Mark Bulger. Eli, Josh McCowan and Matt Leinhart. Favre is a two time MVP, has an incredible record (two hundred and something) for consecutive starts. No he is not the best qb to ever play the game but he will most certainly be ranked above Kurt Warner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 15, 2009, 11:54:37 PM
Hope this hasnt been done before but what teams do the NFL followers on this board support.  Ive been a vikings fan for 8 or 9 years tough job but someones got to do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 02, 2009, 10:52:16 AM
Whats the latest on Free-Agency. Matt Cassell and Mike Vrabel gone to the Chiefs? Qui? Non?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on March 02, 2009, 10:54:13 AM
Anyone following the Basketball?

Who's leading?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 02, 2009, 10:56:31 AM
To Answer my own question, yes they have, in exchange for a 2nd round draft pick.

Also the Cardinals dont seem to be taking Kurt Warner back for next season despite his willingness to play and is now in discussion with the 49ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 02, 2009, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: thejuice on March 02, 2009, 10:52:16 AM
Whats the latest on Free-Agency. Matt Cassell and Mike Vrabel gone to the Chiefs? Qui? Non?

Yes, for the Chiefs second pick, 34th overall. Haynesworth away to Redskins 7 yrs = $100m ($42 m guaranteed  :o). Kellen Winslow to Bucs for unspecified draft picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 02, 2009, 02:54:06 PM
March Madness starting soon as well. I used to love this tourney when I lived stateside. I haven't seen much College BB this year, despite NASN, sorry ESPN America, but I'm assuming the same teams will be there or thereabouts? Anyone really tearing it up this year?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 02, 2009, 07:23:02 PM
1 missing boater rescued; 2 NFL players not found

   
By CHRISTINE ARMARIO, Associated Press Writer Christine Armario, Associated Press Writer – 22 mins ago
Boaters launch vessels near the dock Monday March 2, 2009 in Clearwater, Fla., AP – Boaters launch vessels near the dock Monday March 2, 2009 in Clearwater, Fla., where four men, two current ...

   
CLEARWATER, Fla. – The Coast Guard says a missing boater has been found clinging to an overturned boat that belongs to Oakland Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper.

The Coast Guard says former University of South Florida player Nick Schuyler was rescued Monday off the coast of Florida.

The Coast Guard says Cooper, Detroit Lions free agent Corey Smith and another former USF player, William Bleakley, remain missing.

TV footage shows Schuyler being helped from a Coast Guard helicopter at Tampa General Hospital. He appeared conscious and talking.

The Coast Guard had been searching for the four men since they were reported missing early Sunday morning, one day after they left on a fishing trip.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — The Coast Guard found a person clinging to an overturned boat off Florida's Gulf Coast on Monday, but could not immediately confirm whether it is the same boat with two NFL players aboard that went missing over the weekend.

Corey Smith, a free-agent defensive end who played for the Detroit Lions last season, and Marquis Cooper, an Oakland Raiders linebacker, as well as former University of South Florida players Will Bleakley and Nick Schuyler left on a fishing trip early Saturday. Weather conditions worsened through the day and the men did not return as expected in the evening.

The men were reported missing Sunday, and the Coast Guard had searched about 16,000 square miles of ocean for the 21-foot Everglades-manufactured boat by Monday morning.

Everglades boats are built with compressed foam encased in Fiberglas, which makes them difficult or impossible to sink.

Petty Officer Sondra-Kay Kneen confirmed searchers located a boat. No further details were available.

Waves had subsided to 6 to 8 feet, still enough for a small craft advisory, but considerably smaller than the 15-foot waves Sunday, National Weather Service meteorologist Todd Barron said.

Family members believed the men had lifejackets and flares on board. The Coast Guard had not received a distress signal from the men.

Cooper owns the boat, and he and Smith, who were teammates with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2004, have been on fishing trips before, according to Ron Del Duca, Smith's agent.

Coast Guard Capt. Timothy M. Close said at least one of the men was an experienced boater, and relatives provided the Coast Guard with GPS coordinates from previous fishing expeditions.

The 29-year-old Smith of Richmond, Va., is 6-foot-2, 250 pounds and had 30 tackles, including three sacks, and an interception in 12 games last season for the winless Lions.

Cooper, 26, who is 6-foot-3, 230 pounds, has spent five seasons with five different teams, appearing in 26 games with the Buccaneers in 2004 and 2005, but playing sparingly since. He grew up in Gilbert, Ariz., and his father Bruce is a prominent sportscaster for KPNX-TV in Phoenix.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 02, 2009, 07:29:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 02, 2009, 02:54:06 PM
March Madness starting soon as well. I used to love this tourney when I lived stateside. I haven't seen much College BB this year, despite NASN, sorry ESPN America, but I'm assuming the same teams will be there or thereabouts? Anyone really tearing it up this year?




Look for Pitt or Oklahoma at the Finals

Dark horses - Kansas, Illinois,Texas & Florida State.


2009 NCAA Men's Basketball Rankings (Mar. 2)
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Week:
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 05, 2009, 06:28:54 PM
T.O is gone from Dallas, apparently he was a distraction in the clubhouse  ::)

Kurt Warner signs a 2 year deal with AZ for 23 million.

T.J. Whosyourmomma signs with Seahawks.

Looks like LT is staying in San Diego although New Orleans wants him on their roster.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on March 05, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 05, 2009, 06:28:54 PM
T.O is gone from Dallas, apparently he was a distraction in the clubhouse  ::)

Kurt Warner signs a 2 year deal with AZ for 23 million.

T.J. Whosyourmomma signs with Seahawks.

Looks like LT is staying in San Diego although New Orleans wants him on their roster.



big surprise there! wheres he going?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 06, 2009, 01:00:50 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on March 05, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 05, 2009, 06:28:54 PM
T.O is gone from Dallas, apparently he was a distraction in the clubhouse  ::)

Kurt Warner signs a 2 year deal with AZ for 23 million.

T.J. Whosyourmomma signs with Seahawks.

Looks like LT is staying in San Diego although New Orleans wants him on their roster.



big surprise there! wheres he going?

Looks like T.O. has warn out his welcome in the NFL


The teams that don't want Terrell Owens

By MJD

Terrell Owens is still technically the property of the Dallas Cowboys, so it would be against league rules for other teams to go on record as saying they are or aren't interesting in acquiring his services (though that hasn't stopped the Redskins).

ProFootballTalk.com, though, is keeping a list of teams that have made it known to them through "league sources" that they have no interest in Owens. As of right now, that list includes:

    The Dallas Cowboys.
    The New York Giants.
    The Washington Redskins.
    The Baltimore Ravens.
    The San Francisco 49ers.
    The Minnesota Vikings.
    The Atlanta Falcons.
    The Cleveland Browns.
    The San Diego Chargers.
    The Philadelphia Eagles.
    The New York Jets.
    The Tennessee Titans.
    The St. Louis Rams.

And the Eagles and Dolphins are listed as teams that are expected to join the list soon. Donovan McNabb and Bill Parcells are the president and vice president of the "Terrell Owens Deserves a Giant Wedgie Club."

But there are no real surprises there, except maybe a couple of mild ones. The Redskins are always worth mentioning whenever an expensive free agent is available, and the Vikings wanted T.J. Houshmandzadeh badly, but whiffed. I guess they're only in the market for sane receivers.

See more on NFL Free Agency here.

Related: T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Donovan McNabb, Terrell Owens, Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, Minnesota Vikings, New York Giants, New York Jets, Philadelphia Eagles, San Diego Chargers, San Francisco 49ers, St. Louis Rams, Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins, NFL League Issues
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 06, 2009, 09:07:05 AM
People may have thought it was a surprise that T.O. got the boot but it wasnt really, he had upset too many people in Dallas. Oakland would probably be the place for him. I would say the mid season trade for Roy Williams would have been a pointer that T.O. would be gone at the end of the season. He is a total bollocks by all accounts but he can play so he will end up somehwere next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 06, 2009, 05:37:23 PM
how good would he be at the colts or the pats?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on March 06, 2009, 06:03:20 PM
Never work at the Pats,
Him and Randy Moss competing for catches,you seen what he was like when he thought Tony Romo was favouring Whitten,imagine what it would be like when hes overlooked for a better receiver in Moss, Dear God i wouldnt wish even that on the Pats  :D
Hed work at the Colts,but they have no cap room,and i dont know if they would be interested anyway
Bears need a receiver badly,but maybe not that badly!!!
i see him going to Oakland or maybe Tampa who have lots of room under the cap.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 06, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Agree with BallyhaiseMan's thoughts.

TO would be crucified in Chicago.

Teams with biggest needs for a short term WR would be Buffalo, Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay and Seattle.

He would be a perfect fit with the Raider Nation and Al Davis is senile enough to sign him.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 06, 2009, 11:28:47 PM
He would not fit in New England because Bellichick wouldnt put up with his shite & because they dont need him. They have Moss to stretch the field and Welker for anything underneath. As for the Colts, again they dont need him. They have Reggie Wayne who is an elite receiver, Gonzalez and Dallas Clark. In any event he is on the downside of his career. Bar the 49ers game when he had over 200 yds and the final game against Philly when he had over 100 yds (most of which came when they were already well behind) he averaged 55 yds/game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 06, 2009, 11:49:36 PM
Surely TO and the Raiders are made for each other. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 08, 2009, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 06, 2009, 09:14:39 PM
Agree with BallyhaiseMan's thoughts.

TO would be crucified in Chicago.

Teams with biggest needs for a short term WR would be Buffalo, Cleveland, Oakland, Tampa Bay and Seattle.

He would be a perfect fit with the Raider Nation and Al Davis is senile enough to sign him.



Quoting myself - T.O. goes to Buffalo for 1 year 6.5 million. He can only last a year per team.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 08, 2009, 02:55:07 PM
impressive call!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 08, 2009, 09:40:16 PM
LT to leave San Diego............maybe! He hasnt been 100% in 2 years, Darren Sproles has stolen his thunder lately. Would anyone take a gamble on him despite his injuries. He would command a lot of money even though he's been in decline.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 08, 2009, 11:53:15 PM
Quote from: thejuice on March 08, 2009, 09:40:16 PM
LT to leave San Diego............maybe! He hasnt been 100% in 2 years, Darren Sproles has stolen his thunder lately. Would anyone take a gamble on him despite his injuries.

Without a doubt. Don't think he'll do the numbers he did a couple of years ago but he'll still be a very productive RB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on March 20, 2009, 09:43:39 AM
It looks like Cutler could be on his way out of Denver.  Very disapointed to hear this, I felt he had the potential to become one of the top QBs in the league.  But from what I heard there dosent seem to be much chance of McDaniels and Cutler settling this.  I'm wondering is this an over reaction by Cutler, who is only using the three-way trade which included Cassel as an exucse to get out of Denver. I dont think anyone in their right mind would trade Cutler for Cassel, even if Josh McDaniels has history working with Cassel.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 20, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on March 20, 2009, 09:43:39 AM
It looks like Cutler could be on his way out of Denver.  Very disapointed to hear this, I felt he had the potential to become one of the top QBs in the league.  But from what I heard there dosent seem to be much chance of McDaniels and Cutler settling this.  I'm wondering is this an over reaction by Cutler, who is only using the three-way trade which included Cassel as an exucse to get out of Denver. I dont think anyone in their right mind would trade Cutler for Cassel, even if Josh McDaniels has history working with Cassel.

I was watching NFL Access yesterday and they reckon Cutler and his agent, Bus Cook, (yes that is a real name) have been trying to engineer a trade since the Broncos Offensive Coordinator got the bullet with Shanahan and this is a perfect smokescreen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 20, 2009, 09:55:08 AM
From what I understand, Cutler wanted out once McDaniels got rid of the Offensive staff and QB coach that were still there after Mike Shanahan was fired. Cutler liked working with them and was told by the owner that they were going to be kept on. McDaniels came in and cleared house to bring in his own staff. Cutler decided it was best he left too.

Once he knew he was on the trading block I think he made his mind up. But when the trade didnt come in, there was still no going back. I did kinda feel Cutler should just man up and get on with his job but now I can see why he's pissed off and wants out. I reckon the Jets might be a good home for him. I would take him above Cassell anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on March 20, 2009, 10:08:31 AM
I understand why Cutler was annoyed but I feel he should just get on with it and prove that he is a good QB.

But if he doesn't want to be there then they should get rid of him.  I'd rather have a mediocre QB he gave 100% than a great QB who isn't motivated or interested.

The Jets would seem like a suitable home for him, but its all about what the Broncos get in return.  They need a good QB or at least someone who will do a good job in the short term.  I have heard a few QBs mentioned but none as good as or proven as Cutler and the other option of drafting a QB is a bit of a risk.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 20, 2009, 10:39:12 AM
its hard to know what the Broncos can get in a trade. The Jets havent much to offer other than a Draft picks. I dont think there will be many teams looking to do a straight swap at QB unless the Bronco's are willing to take a lower ranked QB just to get out of this mess.

maybe they should try sign Michael Vick  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on March 20, 2009, 11:05:18 AM
I said it to a friend of mine last night, I don't want Denver to touch Vick.  Even if he was the last resort. :P

I head some talk on one website of a trade for Donovan McNabb, who would be an OK short term signing maybe. Then Denver could take a QB as their no.1 draft pick and then if that works he could take over a year or two down the line.  Though drafting a QB is always risky, your never sure of what your going to get!  Other people of mentioned Brady Quinn, but again, unproven.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on March 20, 2009, 11:36:50 AM
I kinda admire the way he stood up for himself, he's a pro-bowler and controlled the second most productive offence last year and McDaniels comes in and tries to bring in Cassel. Cutler was hurt but said ok, I'll have a chat with McDaniels to get this moving. All Cutler wanted him to do was to say you're my man for the future but he started schooling him on what he has to do to improve etc.

I would love if Cutler came to the Jets, I don't think Clemens is up to much, Brett Ratliff looks ok but he's no Jay Cutler.
There is talk on nfl.com today of a trade with the Browns where either Anderson or Quinn would go to Denver, Cutler to Jets, and the draft pics going to Browns.

Jets offence really needs a spark now. Trouble at qb, poor at WR, TJ is aging and looking for a nw contract, we really need to drat well for once...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 20, 2009, 11:49:47 AM
Its always funny to see the Draft in New York, always a gang of Jets fans there who boo their 1st round pick, almost every year it seems.

Donavan McNabb would be good but will he leave Philly and would they let him leave, who do they have?
Brady Quinn makes more sense though he is unproven but might just get them out of a hole. maybe a vetern journey man like Jeff Garcia, dont think the Buccs want him anymore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 20, 2009, 04:30:12 PM
Anyone watching March Madness?  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 20, 2009, 05:45:45 PM
Yeah, Gabriel, bits and pieces of it.  Not in a pool this year, so I don't have a vested interest.  Rooting for the five Ohio schools (but they won't last long, even though the Zips gave a Zags a bit of a thrill last night) as well as the Big Ten (bye-bye Illinois). 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on March 20, 2009, 06:00:33 PM
Yea went to one of the big east games in the garden last week...you do any betting gab?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 20, 2009, 08:03:38 PM
The Flyin Illini looked grounded last nite without their top player, WKU is a good solid team and can beat Gonzaga.

The best bets are in the first round, take the dogs with points and you are looking at a 20-45% return on the bets.


Cutler would look great in a Bears uniform after the Bears give Denver- Grossman and a couple of picks. ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 21, 2009, 08:11:06 PM
Got to hand it to Cleveland State for pulling the upset over Wake Forest.  Never imagined it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 23, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.

At least he wasnt drunk, then he could be in serious trouble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 23, 2009, 05:04:29 PM
Quote from: thejuice on March 20, 2009, 11:49:47 AM
Its always funny to see the Draft in New York, always a gang of Jets fans there who boo their 1st round pick, almost every year it seems.

in fairness they have dropped a few clangers at the draft in the past

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaYgGSHJ5hM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 23, 2009, 05:19:41 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 23, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.

At least he wasnt drunk, then he could be in serious trouble.

Just wait and see....


Stallworth's attorney: Blood test not yet released

Associated Press

MIAMI -- Authorities have yet to release blood tests for Cleveland Browns wide receiver Donte' Stallworth, who authorities say fatally struck a pedestrian in Miami Beach a week ago.
Donte' Stallworth, WR
Cleveland Browns

2008 Statistics:
Catches: 17
Yards: 170
TDs: 1

Meanwhile, his attorney is denying media reports that the tests show Stallworth was driving drunk.

Christopher Lyons said Saturday that neither police nor the state attorney's office have released the results of toxicology tests. They have not said specifically when they will be released.

The Miami Herald and local TV news, citing unnamed people, have reported that Stallworth's blood-alcohol level was above Florida's legal limit.

A Miami Beach police spokesman says the blood test results won't be released until the investigation is closed.

Stallworth hasn't been charged.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on March 25, 2009, 02:47:01 PM
fixtures for the 2009 NFL season out.

Pittsburgh open the season against tennesse on september 10th
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 01, 2009, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 23, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.

At least he wasnt drunk, then he could be in serious trouble.

ESPN reports Dante Stallworth charged with DUI Manslaughter which carries a Max of 15 years, most likely he is looking at 7 years.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 01, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 01, 2009, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on March 23, 2009, 03:59:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.

At least he wasnt drunk, then he could be in serious trouble.

ESPN reports Dante Stallworth charged with DUI Manslaughter which carries a Max of 15 years, most likely he is looking at 7 years.



what a fool, they should throw the book at him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 01, 2009, 08:56:01 PM
Im pretty sure that they will...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 01, 2009, 10:56:36 PM
If they throw the book at him, he'll probably bobble and drop it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 02, 2009, 10:14:16 AM
Not at all. He'll pull up with a torn hamstring about halfway to the spot the book is thrown to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 03, 2009, 02:04:53 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 20, 2009, 08:03:38 PM
The Flyin Illini looked grounded last nite without their top player, WKU is a good solid team and can beat Gonzaga.

The best bets are in the first round, take the dogs with points and you are looking at a 20-45% return on the bets.


Cutler would look great in a Bears uniform after the Bears give Denver- Grossman and a couple of picks. ;)



I should start playing the lottery with the ability to see into the future. ;)

Bears win the Cutler race  - giving up 2 first round picks, third round pick and Kyle Orton this year and first round pick next year.

Then Da Bears sign Orlando Pace to a 3 year contract to shore up the O-line. :o

Happy Days in the Windy City  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on April 03, 2009, 04:04:12 AM
Vick taking a job with a construction company next...do they really think the American public are that gullible.... wait a minute, ah shite!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 03, 2009, 09:22:44 AM
Thtas a pretty high price to pay for Cutler, will Cutler look as good in Chicago as they have no receivers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
 >:(
Very disappointed that this has happened.  I had imagined Cutler with Denver for the next 5-10 years!

Cant wait until the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 03, 2009, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
>:(
Very disappointed that this has happened.  I had imagined Cutler with Denver for the next 5-10 years!

Cant wait until the draft.

Broncos trade up to take Stafford at #1 ? Probably not. Broncos have a load of ammo now to trade up though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 03, 2009, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 03, 2009, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
>:(
Very disappointed that this has happened.  I had imagined Cutler with Denver for the next 5-10 years!

Cant wait until the draft.

Broncos trade up to take Stafford at #1 ? Probably not. Broncos have a load of ammo now to trade up though.

Delighted to pick up Cutler... Now we got some1 to run it & some1 to throw it. Anyone out there that can catch a ball?!!

Dont see the broncos trading up in the draft! The guys on NFL Total Access were sayin that the if the Lions wanted Cutler Denver would prefer the #21 pick over the #1 pick cos ya gotta give a top 10 pick a lot of guarenteed money in his contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 03, 2009, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 03, 2009, 11:57:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 03, 2009, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
>:(
Very disappointed that this has happened.  I had imagined Cutler with Denver for the next 5-10 years!

Cant wait until the draft.

Broncos trade up to take Stafford at #1 ? Probably not. Broncos have a load of ammo now to trade up though.

Delighted to pick up Cutler... Now we got some1 to run it & some1 to throw it. Anyone out there that can catch a ball?!!

Dont see the broncos trading up in the draft! The guys on NFL Total Access were sayin that the if the Lions wanted Cutler Denver would prefer the #21 pick over the #1 pick cos ya gotta give a top 10 pick a lot of guarenteed money in his contract.

Bears need some more options at WR. at the minute Matt Forte is doing everything as well as running it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 03, 2009, 03:54:51 PM
Cutler should improve the Bears alright although they still need some receivers for him to throw to. Even without new receivers though you would expect them to make a push for the play-offs next season.

Broncos were stupid to let the row between them and Cutler get so entrenched. As well as having a woeful defence they have now lost one of the best young QB's in the NFL. Maybe they can get another one in the draft but now they have two big problems to fix.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 03, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
I wonder is Cutler a header. Surprising that the Broncos didn't explore every avenue to retain him, given the superb year he has had.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: turk on April 03, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
I wonder is Cutler a header. Surprising that the Broncos didn't explore every avenue to retain him, given the superb year he has had.


why would you think that? if my team were shopping me around behind my back - I'd do the exact same
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 03, 2009, 06:32:27 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2009, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: turk on April 03, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
I wonder is Cutler a header. Surprising that the Broncos didn't explore every avenue to retain him, given the superb year he has had.


why would you think that? if my team were shopping me around behind my back - I'd do the exact same

I'm speculating both as to why the team looked to trade him in the first place and as to why they didn't exhaust every route to keep him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 03, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
From the sport stations in town the main reason the Bears got Cutler was Kyle Orton. The Broncos get an established QB who can run an offense and is 9 games over .500 as a starter. The 1st round picks will help set the Broncos for a few years down the road. Look for Mark Sanchez going to the Broncos with their 1st pick. Not a bad situation for the young QB, he will be tutored by Orton and developed to start in about 2 years then Orton will be a great backup.

Receivers for the Bears is a little shaky but the addition of Cutler elevates not only the Offense but the receivers also. Hester will open up the field for Brandon Lloyd (good hands & OK routes), Rasheed Davis (great hands and excellent route runner), Desmond Clark TE who can catch short/medium passes and Greg Olsen TE who is a TE with WR speed and great hands (like a Gonzales from KC). Matt Forte out of the backfield led all Bear receivers last years so there is another outlet. The Bears have a 3rd round pick where they could pickup a solid WR in the draft.

After having 49 different starting QB's since 1992 it will be great to know we are set at that position for the next 8+ years ;D ;D

The addition of Cutler helps the Bears defense by keeping the Offense on the field longer. The Def will be rested and now we should have leads in the latter stages of the games forcing the opponents to pass more which lets us blitz more and get more Interceptions.

;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 03, 2009, 08:39:37 PM

After having 49 different starting QB's since 1992 it will be great to know we are set at that position for the next 8+ years ;D ;D

Thats what Denver thought too  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 03, 2009, 11:36:03 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 03, 2009, 08:39:37 PM


Receivers for the Bears is a little shaky but the addition of Cutler elevates not only the Offense but the receivers also. Hester will open up the field for Brandon Lloyd (good hands & OK routes), Rasheed Davis (great hands and excellent route runner), Desmond Clark TE who can catch short/medium passes and Greg Olsen TE who is a TE with WR speed and great hands (like a Gonzales from KC). Matt Forte out of the backfield led all Bear receivers last years so there is another outlet. The Bears have a 3rd round pick where they could pickup a solid WR in the draft.


Dont forget about Earl Bennett, 3rd round pick in last years draft. Cutler was throwing to him for a year at Vanderbilt... The future looks good!!!
:) :) :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 04, 2009, 12:05:02 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 03, 2009, 08:39:37 PM

After having 49 different starting QB's since 1992 it will be great to know we are set at that position for the next 8+ years ;D ;D

Thats what Denver thought too  :P

49! is that a record. it must be surely. Works out at 3 QB's a year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 04, 2009, 01:22:33 AM
Quote from: thejuice on April 04, 2009, 12:05:02 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on April 03, 2009, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 03, 2009, 08:39:37 PM

After having 49 different starting QB's since 1992 it will be great to know we are set at that position for the next 8+ years ;D ;D

Thats what Denver thought too  :P

49! is that a record. it must be surely. Works out at 3 QB's a year.


I typed it wrong there are only 42 since 92 ::)


Here they are since 79:

Starters 1979-2008
1979: Mike Phipps, Vince Evans, Bob Avellini
1980: Phipps, Evans
1981: Evans
1982: Bob Avellini, Jim McMahon
1983: McMahon, Evans
1984: McMahon, Avellini, Steve Fuller, Rusty Lisch, Greg Landry
1985: McMahon, Steve Fuller
1986: McMahon, Mike Tomczak, Steve Fuller, Doug Flutie
1987: McMahon, Tomczak
1988: McMahon, Tomczak, Jim Harbaugh
1989: Tomczak, Harbaugh
1990: Harbaugh, Tomczak
1991: Harbaugh
1992: Harbaugh, Peter Tom Willis, Will Furrer
1993: Harbaugh, Willis
1994: Erik Kramer, Steve Walsh
1995: Kramer 1996: Kramer, Dave Kreig
1997: Kramer, Rick Mirer
1998: Kramer, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno
1999: Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Jim Miller
2000: McNown, Matthews, Miller
2001: Miller, Matthews
2002: Miller, Chris Chandler, Henry Burris
2003: Kordell Stewart, Chandler, Rex Grossman
2004: Grossman, Jonathan Quinn, Craig Krenzel, Chad Hutchinson
2005: Kyle Orton, Grossman
2006: Grossman
2007: Grossman, Brian Griese, Orton
2008: Orton, Grossman
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 04, 2009, 02:15:50 AM
Plaxico released by Giants, crazy stuff going on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 04, 2009, 09:58:01 PM
spring training photo.... and the new yankee stadiun opened yesterday.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/03/12/sports/baseball/20090312-baseball-panoramas.html?ref=sports

red sox one is good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 07, 2009, 09:38:31 PM
Raiders signed Jeff Garcia. Good move by them I think he's a decent QB, probably doesnt get the respect he deserves. The lads on Total Access are wondering why they signed him when they have JaMarcus Russell, do they not see what we could all see that the lad is useless. He was doomed once he held out in his first year. Its not really a good idea unless you can turn out like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco and its certainly not a good idea to hold out on Al Davis.

Another thing I saw on TA was Osi Umenyura talking about Plaxico Burress. He said; "He(Burress) was just unlucky, it could have happened to any of us".

Wait a minute, so shooting yourself in the leg in a night club could happen to anyone!! I like Osi, he's a great player, but you'd have to wonder what sort of lads are in the Giants locker room.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 09, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
QuoteNick Adenhart, a rookie pitcher for the Los Angeles Angels, died in a car crash early Thursday morning, just hours after pitching in a game in Anaheim.

A source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to ESPN.com that Adenhart had been killed in a car accident.

Wednesday night, Adenhart had pitched six scoreless innings, giving up seven hits, striking out five and walking three in just his fourth major league start.

According to multiple reports out of the Los Angeles area, three people were killed in the three-car crash in Fullerton, Calif. One person was reported to be seriously injured.

According to the Los Angeles Times, witnesses told police that the driver of a red minivan blew through a red light and hit a Mitsubishi carrying four people.

The Times reported that the minivan's driver ran from the scene, but was arrested about a mile away.

Sad news
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 09, 2009, 06:16:57 PM
Delighted about the Cutler trade. Its really good business for the Bears. I think the Bears receivers aren't that bad and would expect a good improvement on offense next season. Would worry slightly about second season syndrome for Forte but you'd imagine a better pass attack should help him. Pace is a good addition too and last years first round pick Chris Willaims is like another new signing.

A good DB should be a target in the draft. Things got a bit light there at times last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 16, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
John Madden has today announced his retirement from broadcasting. I for one will miss him. His partnership with Pat Summeral must surely go down as one of the best commentary duos in the history of any sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 16, 2009, 05:08:52 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 16, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
John Madden has today announced his retirement from broadcasting. I for one will miss him. His partnership with Pat Summeral must surely go down as one of the best commentary duos in the history of any sport.

No way!! Another tradition bites the dust. I love his voice, but recently he's been getting a few names wrong etc, a bit like our own Micheál.

We're all getting older lads, and announcements like that just remind you.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on April 16, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
Jesus H AZ you must be really getting on in your years. :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 16, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 16, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
John Madden has today announced his retirement from broadcasting. I for one will miss him. His partnership with Pat Summeral must surely go down as one of the best commentary duos in the history of any sport.

i loved him, he could get away with saying things that would sound stupid out of someone else
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 16, 2009, 11:25:21 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on April 16, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 16, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
John Madden has today announced his retirement from broadcasting. I for one will miss him. His partnership with Pat Summeral must surely go down as one of the best commentary duos in the history of any sport.

i loved him, he could get away with saying things that would sound stupid out of someone else

The Harry Caray of the NFL.  ;)

Made every Thanksgiving memorable with his Turduken and the leg award to the player/players of the game.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 16, 2009, 11:27:26 PM
The AZ Cardinals are shopping Anquan Boldin, he would look great in a Bears uniform ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 17, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
Pity about Madden alright, he was always good to listen to even if he was way off the mark.

Sadder still, is the death of Harry Kalas, the epic voice of NFL films. Irreplaceble.

I think the Cards are mad to lose Boldin, I know hi s numbers were down a bit but he's still class. would love him in Atlanta but dont know if we have CAP room,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 17, 2009, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: thejuice on April 17, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
Pity about Madden alright, he was always good to listen to even if he was way off the mark.

Sadder still, is the death of Harry Kalas, the epic voice of NFL films. Irreplaceble.

I think the Cards are mad to lose Boldin, I know hi s numbers were down a bit but he's still class. would love him in Atlanta but dont know if we have CAP room,

I'd like the Cards to hold onto Boldin, especially because MacGearailt is going to be double teamed next season. Having said that Urban and Breaston are decent receivers as well. I think Boldin is getting his ear bent a little by his agent. He's becoming a bit dsruptive. I'd say that if the Cardinals got value for him, he'd be gone alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 17, 2009, 10:37:02 AM
I think Breaston could take some of the attention away from Fitzgerald, what the Cards need is a running game. If the Cards got a 2nd round draft pick (would anyone give up a first for Boldin?) they would take it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on April 17, 2009, 11:32:55 AM
Looks like Garnett will miss the entire playoffs with his knee injury.  Celtics are screwed now.  They'll probably beat the Bulls but no way they'll get past the Magic without him.  Love to see Orlando or Cleveland win it all now.  Anyone but the Lakers....  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 22, 2009, 11:06:52 PM
No talk of the draft on Saturday? Stafford to Lions at #1. They are hoping to have him signed by the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 22, 2009, 11:35:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 22, 2009, 11:06:52 PM
No talk of the draft on Saturday? Stafford to Lions at #1. They are hoping to have him signed by the draft.

All the draft "experts" on ESPN and NFL TV are saying this is one of the weakest drafts (players) in years.

Now 25 years from now watch half of the 1st round selections end up in the hall of fame.

Looking forward to see where Brian Cushing (USC) Linebacker and Larry English (NIU) Defensive Line go in the draft, any team gets one of these guys is going to be very happy.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 22, 2009, 11:45:00 PM
is stafford definate. The Lions need to plug holes in the O-Line as well if they want to protect the massive investment that Stafford will be. Would like to see them have some success sometime. You get the feeling the Lions would rather trade but no-one wants the top pick with all the money thats involved
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 23, 2009, 01:51:56 PM
Paddy Power running a few special markets for the Draft.
Draft Position
E.g. Mark Sanchez QB
Under 10.5 picks 4/11 Over 10.5 picks 15/8

Will probably watch d draft on nfl.com so gonna have a few quid on sum of these to see how i do...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 23, 2009, 07:19:13 PM
saw a piece in last sundays tribune (cant find it on-line) where woody johnston (jets owner) was losing the head over 2 jet home games been played on jewish holidays in 2009. apparently it has been the custom that ny teams don't play at home on jewish holidays. is this true in americas number 1 sports market? find it hard to believe...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 24, 2009, 03:14:31 AM
Juice, your Falcons just picked up Tony Gonzalez TE from KC, the offense is looking incredible.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2009, 08:06:38 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on April 23, 2009, 07:19:13 PM
saw a piece in last sundays tribune (cant find it on-line) where woody johnston (jets owner) was losing the head over 2 jet home games been played on jewish holidays in 2009. apparently it has been the custom that ny teams don't play at home on jewish holidays. is this true in americas number 1 sports market? find it hard to believe...

I told those fucks down at the league office a thousand times that I don't roll on Shabbos!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
Does anyone know where one can watch the draft? Can we watch it on nfl.com in Ireland? It's not listed on skysports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2009, 10:36:17 AM
Quote from: The Claw on April 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
Does anyone know where one can watch the draft? Can we watch it on nfl.com in Ireland? It's not listed on skysports

Sky are showing a programme for 2 hours i think on Sunday Claw, but aye you will be able to watch it live on NFL.Com. I could have swore i watched it live last year on Sky
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 24, 2009, 12:42:47 PM
Chris Wells might drop to Arizona AZ you never know, An  Arizona team with a run offense would be completely unfair for the rest of the teams  :D
Looking forward to the draft.
I think Denver may  move up and take Sanchez as their QB for the future.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2009, 01:34:29 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 24, 2009, 03:14:31 AM
Juice, your Falcons just picked up Tony Gonzalez TE from KC, the offense is looking incredible.


;D ;D ;D Class!! Now we just need a few corners and a Line backer and we'd be looking good for next year. Great stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 24, 2009, 02:33:30 PM
Superbowl to London??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/american_football/8016358.stm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2009, 03:05:03 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 24, 2009, 02:33:30 PM
Superbowl to London??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/american_football/8016358.stm

Surely the game would have to kick off at 11.15pm BST as it does now to suit TV in America.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2009, 03:10:32 PM
I dont really think Wembley is that great for American football. The way they have to cover the front rows always looks poor, presentation is a big deal in NFL, the pitch doesnt hold up well, both coaches criticised it last year. And while its only the bells and whistles they made a mess of the team introductions last year as well. Not sure who's fault that was. And it probably makes it even less likely that genuine fans will get to the game. Dont mind if they keep it in America. I think I'd rather go to a Superbowl in America than in England anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2009, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 24, 2009, 03:10:32 PM
I dont really think Wembley is that great for American football. The way they have to cover the front rows always looks poor, presentation is a big deal in NFL, the pitch doesnt hold up well, both coaches criticised it last year. And while its only the bells and whistles they made a mess of the team introductions last year as well. Not sure who's fault that was. And it probably makes it even less likely that genuine fans will get to the game. Dont mind if they keep it in America. I think I'd rather go to a Superbowl in America than in England anyway.

Would agree with you there Juice. You also have to take into account where Superbowls are held in America, domes and warm weather cities. What would the weather be like in London at the end of January?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 24, 2009, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
Does anyone know where one can watch the draft? Can we watch it on nfl.com in Ireland? It's not listed on skysports

I watched it on NFL.com in Ireland live last year however I can't confirm if that will be the same this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 24, 2009, 09:32:14 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2009, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 24, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
Does anyone know where one can watch the draft? Can we watch it on nfl.com in Ireland? It's not listed on skysports

I watched it on NFL.com in Ireland live last year however I can't confirm if that will be the same this year.

You can also try  www.espn360.com

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 24, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Are Sky Sports not doing the draft this year? I'm pretty sure they showed it live last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2009, 09:39:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 24, 2009, 09:33:21 PM
Are Sky Sports not doing the draft this year? I'm pretty sure they showed it live last year.

They dont seem to be showing it live. There is a programme on Sky for 90 mins on Sunday, a recap i would imagine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 25, 2009, 08:49:38 AM
And with the first pick...............................



Lions, Stafford agree to contract terms



Yahoo! Sports

NEW YORK – The Detroit Lions agreed to terms with Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford on a six-year, $78 million deal that includes an NFL-record $41.7 million guaranteed, sources told Yahoo! Sports on Friday. The deal represents the largest amount of guaranteed money for any player – rookie or veteran – in NFL history, exceeding the $41 million guaranteed that defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth received from Washington at the beginning of free agency this offseason.

Stafford and Haynesworth are the only players to top the $40 million guaranteed threshold.

Two sources confirmed that Stafford had agreed to terms with Detroit but had not yet signed the deal as of Friday night. The Lions had been intent on having the top pick signed in advance of Saturday's NFL draft. They had reached an agreement with Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry earlier in the week as a contingency, according to published reports, but their intent all along was to select Stafford.

Stafford, 21, will be the ninth quarterback in the past 12 years to be selected No. 1 overall, and the 17th since the AFL and NFL established a combined draft in 1967. He threw for 3,459 yards and 25 touchdowns to just 10 interceptions in leading Georgia to a 10-3 record last season.

The Lions went an NFL-record 0-16 in 2008.

The Lions like Stafford as a fit in the offense under new coordinator Scott Linehan because of the quarterback's ability to throw deep. Linehan's offense calls for a strong running game to develop play action for deep passes. NFL personnel people say Stafford has the strongest arm in this year's draft.

The expectation is that Stafford will be a backup for one season to veteran Daunte Culpepper, who is under contract with Detroit for one more year as he continues his effort to revive his once successful career. The Lions also would like to upgrade their offensive line for Stafford once he becomes the starter. Stafford could become part of a strong combination with wide receiver Calvin Johnson, who was the No. 2 overall pick in 2006 and tallied 1,331 receiving yards and 12 touchdowns last season.

Stafford's contract represents an increase of almost $7 million in guaranteed money over the six-year deal that last year's No. 3 overall pick Matt Ryan signed with the Atlanta Falcons. Ryan received $34.75 million in guarantees from Atlanta in a deal negotiated by agents Tom Condon and Ben Dogra, who also represent Stafford. That increase of roughly 20 percent in guarantees could lead to a $50 million guarantee for a high pick next year if this pace continues.

Under NFL rules, the St. Louis Rams – who hold the No. 2 overall pick – now are allowed to negotiate with players on a contract in advance of Saturday's draft. There were reports Friday night that the Rams intended to select USC quarterback Mark Sanchez with the pick and had given him a plane ticket to St. Louis, but two league sources said they considered the report a possible bluff by the Rams in hopes of getting a team such as the New York Jets or Washington Redskins to trade with them for the pick. Marc Bulger, who received a contract extension from St. Louis in 2007, is the Rams' incumbent starting quarterback. Bulger has thrown 22 touchdowns and 28 interceptions over the past two seasons combined after tossing 28 touchdowns to just eight interceptions in 2007.

The Rams, who fired Linehan as head coach early last season, won just two games in 2008. Sanchez threw for 3,207 yards, 34 touchdowns and 10 interceptions last season for a USC team that finished the season 12-1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 25, 2009, 08:08:23 PM
Daunte Culpepper will be choking on his cheerios!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
What time is the draft due to start?

EDIT - 9PM (BST)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 25, 2009, 08:51:51 PM
Anyway of following it, Im trying NFL.com but it keeps saying page not found. is it too early or whats going on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 08:57:18 PM
Having trouble too. I have the page but there is no stream and no link to any stream?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 25, 2009, 09:00:03 PM
live radio

http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espn1033/story?id=listenlive
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 09:04:20 PM
Its the demand. They have a message up now saying that due to overwhelming demand etc, etc...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 09:06:05 PM
http://www.sticktv.net/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 25, 2009, 09:23:27 PM
Cheers Minder,

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:29:09 PM
You are a life saver Minder. I hope you are not a chiefs fan Tyson Jackson at number 3 FFS. I hope the Vikings get Harvin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 09:30:01 PM
Is this the start of Curry falling? None of the teams coming up are projected to fill LB as a big need are they?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
Maybe not!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:29:09 PM
You are a life saver Minder. I hope you are not a chiefs fan Tyson Jackson at number 3 FFS. I hope the Vikings get Harvin.

Browns fan Pat ! So i have seen my fair share of shit drafts, Courtney Brown, Couch etc. WIll probably be Brian Orakpo for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 25, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:29:09 PM
You are a life saver Minder. I hope you are not a chiefs fan Tyson Jackson at number 3 FFS. I hope the Vikings get Harvin.

Browns fan Pat ! So i have seen my fair share of shit drafts, Courtney Brown, Couch etc. WIll probably be Brian Orakpo for them.

Jets have taken the pick off you, good idea if it is good compensation. What about a wide receiver for the Browns though?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 25, 2009, 09:42:30 PM
thanks minder! Jets trade up with browns. must be goin for d next qb...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:46:59 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%5Bnfl%5D-2009-draft-%5Bnfl%5D

Try that link lads it is working better for me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 09:49:05 PM
Try the first one (that asks for a password) on stick tv. Password is sticktv.net          It is working perfect for me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 09:53:08 PM
Cant believe it! Monroe still on the board and the Tigers pick Andre Smith!

They just cant get the whole character thing right at all!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 09:55:02 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 09:53:08 PM
Cant believe it! Monroe still on the board and the Tigers pick Andre Smith!

They just cant get the whole character thing right at all!

Thank fcuk Smith didnt take his top off ! The Bengals will never learn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 09:57:25 PM
Oakland reaching big time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
Big shock there for Raiders. Crabtree is losing a lot of money........He will go to the Jags now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:58:43 PM
DHB to the raiders what a reach that is. He is completely unproven. The Vikings did the same thing a few years back with a guy called Troy Williamson at the same #7 pick and it all went pear shaped.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 25, 2009, 10:03:32 PM
Raiders are nuts. Or to be more precise, Al Davis is senile.

Bengals, I don't know, its as if they want people who are dysfunctional. They want them so bad they wont even let Ocho Cincho leave. Carson Palmer should get the hell out of there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:06:49 PM
Raji to Green bay and Crabtree to San Fran I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 10:09:33 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:06:49 PM
Raji to Green bay and Crabtree to San Fran I'd say.

Would say so, Crabtree is supposed to be an absolute p***k and pissed off temas that he visited but he wont go past the 49ers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
Andre Smith scares the hell out of me. Where did all that attitude come from at the time of the Combine? A top 10 pick on a risky player like that, I would not do it. He has the talent though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 25, 2009, 10:09:33 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:06:49 PM
Raji to Green bay and Crabtree to San Fran I'd say.

Would say so, Crabtree is supposed to be an absolute p***k and pissed off temas that he visited but he wont go past the 49ers

Hes on the phone smiling so it looks like the 49ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:22:34 PM
Yep, there'll be a run on DE/OLB's now I think. Orakpo, Maybin, Ayers et al. lots of teams coming up who want one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 10:30:16 PM
Maclin and Oher have made it out of the top 10, the Vikings are after these guys. I hope they fall to #22
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
Moreno to Denver is a shocker!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Jenkins could make it to the Chargers. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
Moreno to Denver is a shocker!

A bit of a reach for Denver. Never thought Orakpo would drop that far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 10:35:46 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
Jenkins could make it to the Chargers. Fingers crossed!

The Browns like Jenkins, they may move up for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 25, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
i wonder did the Redskins try and Im sure they did, try trade up for Sanchez, perhaps thats why the Jets gave so much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 10:51:10 PM
I like the Denver pick of Moreno, they need a high class running back to complete that offense. They will be well short of defense though as a result of this pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
I like English, but I think it means the Chargers are afraid of losing Merriman next year when his contract expires.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 11:06:03 PM
The Vikings are having a good draft so far Heyward bey and freeman are gone 2 guys I was afraid they would draft. We may even trade back for more picks. hopefully Oher or Macling will be there at #22.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 25, 2009, 11:06:59 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:55:17 PM
I like English, but I think it means the Chargers are afraid of losing Merriman next year when his contract expires.

Merriman's injury is still a concern, English will end up being at least a 5 time pro bowler.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2009, 11:23:17 PM
The Browns are going to have plenty of 6th round picks !  ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 11:31:37 PM
Percy Harvin for the Vikings. I am over the moon. He is a big boom or bust player however if he works  out our offense will be very dangerous with AP on the team as well. The opposition won't know who to look at most.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 25, 2009, 11:50:10 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 25, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
i wonder did the Redskins try and Im sure they did, try trade up for Sanchez, perhaps thats why the Jets gave so much.

Jason Campbell said he would request a trade if the skins drafted a qb. That kinda thing cant go down well...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2009, 12:28:14 AM
Well they shouldn't have been looking for a quarterback which they obviously were. Campbell is good. They may make a move for Brady Quinn now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2009, 01:04:41 AM
And beanie wells falls to the Cards. Not bad for 31st in the draft. If he can stay injury free, and the Cardinals O-Line continues to develop, we might just have gotten a little more balanced.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2009, 01:31:22 AM
That was a great pick for the Cardinals, they need to get stronger on defense with the rest of the picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 26, 2009, 01:37:21 AM
Still a few watchin...
Waitin for the bears to finally come round. Was hoping one of the top 7 receivers would fall to them but didnt work out... Dont know who they can take now.
Pat White taken by the dolphins for Qb/Wr, probably to run the wildcat. Could be pretty gud to watch!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 26, 2009, 01:54:00 AM
You gotta be sh!tt!ng me! The bears traded out of the 2nd round >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2009, 02:13:49 AM
The Vikings took Loadholt with a couple of better rated players on the board at that position. Disappointed with that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2009, 02:40:09 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 25, 2009, 09:58:43 PM
DHB to the raiders what a reach that is. He is completely unproven. The Vikings did the same thing a few years back with a guy called Troy Williamson at the same #7 pick and it all went pear shaped.

Mayock was proved 100% correct. He said Al Davis is a height and speed guy and they went for the tallest and fastest WR in the draft. The Raiders are going nowhere until they get rid of senile Al.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2009, 02:44:19 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 25, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
Moreno to Denver is a shocker!

Denver is the graveyard for running backs. Maybe with Shanahan gone they might give someone a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2009, 04:23:33 AM
» Complete pick-by-pick analysis


After the Lions landed their franchise quarterback, a number of surprise picks followed. Here's an inside look at how the first round unfolded.

1. Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

The Lions land their franchise quarterback with the selection of Stafford. Though there was some debate about whether the former Bulldog would be their guy, the team wrapped up negotiations on a six-year, $78 million contract, with $41.7 million in guarantees. As a classic pocket passer with excellent arm strength, he gives the team a legitimate quarterback to build an offense around.


2. St. Louis Rams - Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

The Rams tab the ultra-athletic Smith to replace Orlando Pace at left tackle. Smith has outstanding feet and movement skills. He will not only protect Marc Bulger's blind side, but he'll provide the push on the edge to spring Steven Jackson for long runs. With Smith in place, the Rams have completed the process of rebuilding an offensive line that struggled mightily last season.

3. Kansas City Chiefs - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

The Chiefs pick up the best 3-4 defensive end on the board with their selection of Jackson. Though the pick was a bit of a surprise, Jackson gives the team a stout player on the edge capable of occupying multiple blockers at the point of attack.

4. Seattle Seahawks - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

The Seahawks add Curry to a defense that features a pair of standout young linebackers (Lofa Tatupu and Leroy Hill). Though the financial commitment to the trio is significant, the team has the flexibility to attack offenses in a variety of ways due to the dynamic skills of each player. The 'Hawks are expected to transition into a blue-collar unit under Jim Mora, and this is a key step.
» Blog: Curry, the people's champion

5. New York Jets - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

In an aggressive move, the Jets pick up their quarterback of the future in Sanchez. Although the former Trojan only recorded 16 starts in college, he is regarded as the quarterback prospect with the biggest upside due to his superior arm strength, accuracy and leadership skills. With extensive experience in the West Coast offense, Sanchez is in line to be the Jets' starting quarterback on opening day.
» Blog: Vibrant crowd brought to frenzy

6. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

Marvin Lewis has stated that he wants to get back to running the football, and Smith gives the Bengals a dominating offensive tackle to run behind. Though he had a series of mishaps in the run up to the draft, there is no denying that Smith is one of the best tackle prospects in the draft.

7. Oakland Raiders -- Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland

In a bit of a head-scratcher, the Raiders bypass Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin to select Heyward-Bey. Although the former Maryland speedster recorded the best 40 time (4.30) at the combine, he is raw and unrefined as a receiver. He may eventually develop into a big-time weapon in the Raiders' offense, but he is a bit of a reach as a potential No. 1 receiver.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

The Jaguars go for the most polished tackle prospect on the board. Though Monroe is highly regarded as a pass blocker, he is equally adept at creating a push in the running game. With the Jaguars hoping to return to their power running attack, Monroe gives them another pile-pusher.

9. Green Bay Packers - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

The Packers pick up a dominating nose tackle to anchor their new 3-4 defense. Raji excels at whipping double teams, and his presence in the middle will keep blockers off A.J. Hawk and Nick Barnett. Though many thought the Packers would opt for a pass rusher, the decision to fortify their run defense will go a long way toward helping them increase their sack total.

10. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

The 49ers surprisingly land the draft's biggest playmaker in Crabtree. The two-time Biletnikoff Award winner is a natural pass catcher with outstanding ball skills and awareness. Crabtree gives the team its best receiving threat since Terrell Owens, and he's poised to become an instant star in the NFC West.
» Baldinger: 49ers shocked to see Crabtree waiting

11. Buffalo Bills - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

The Bills take the dynamic pass-rushing specialist from Penn State. Though Maybin left State College, Pa., as a one-year starter, he racked up 12 sacks in his final season and dazzled scouts with his exceptional first-step quickness. For a team in desperate need of a pass rush, Maybin appears to be the ideal fit.

12. Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

The Broncos eschew their defensive woes to pick the electrifying runner from Georgia. Moreno is a versatile back with outstanding quickness and elusiveness, and he gives the Broncos another weapon in the passing game with his exceptional hands and underrated route-running. With Josh McDaniels' preference for spread formations, Moreno could emerge as a playmaker in his first season.
» Blog: Broncos pull stunner with RB pick

13. Washington Redskins - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

Orakpo unexpectedly falls to the Redskins at No. 13. Though he was projected by many as a hybrid rusher, Orakpo will play as a conventional edge rusher alongside Pro Bowler Albert Haynesworth. With the big man occupying double teams inside, Orakpo has an opportunity to record double-digit sacks in his first season due to a high number of man-on-man blocks off the edge.

14. New Orleans Saints - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

The Saints continue to address their woeful secondary with the selection of Jenkins. As a versatile defender with outstanding cover skills, Jenkins fills a huge need at corner or safety. Though the team signed Darren Sharper in the offseason, Jenkins could eventually supplant the former Pro Bowler as the team's starting free safety.

15. Houston Texans - Brian Cushing, LB, USC

The Texans select the versatile Cushing to fill their hole at linebacker. As a linebacker capable of manning either outside linebacker position, Cushing gives the team numerous options for filling out its lineup. With Cushing in place, the Texans have the potential to craft an aggressive blitz package that attacks offenses from multiple angles.

16. San Diego Chargers - Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois

The Buccaneers gamble on the gifted quarterback out of Kansas State. Blessed with prototypical size and arm strength, Freeman gives the Bucs a deep-ball thrower to complement their power running game. Though he may not be ready for action in 2009, he gives the team a potential franchise quarterback to groom.

17. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas City

The Buccaneers gamble on the gifted quarterback out of Kansas State. Blessed with prototypical size and arm strength, Freeman gives the Bucs a deep-ball thrower to complement their power running game. Though he may not be ready for action in 2009, he gives the team a potential franchise quarterback to groom.
» Freeman: I'll prove I'm the best of the three QBs

18. Denver Broncos - Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

The former Vol is an athletic edge player with outstanding versatility. As a potential defensive end/outside linebacker, he's capable of stacking the run while also providing some pass-rushing skill off the edge. Though he has been pegged as a "one-year wonder," Ayers was playing the best football of his career at the end of his senior season, and he may continue his ascent as a rookie.

19. Philadelphia Eagles - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

The Eagles make a move to grab a prolific playmaker in Maclin. The former Tiger has the requisite skills to shine in the team's West Coast offense, and he's a threat to score from anywhere on the field. With DeSean Jackson and Maclin on the field at the same time, the Eagles have the ability to unveil an explosive passing attack that mixes a short passing game with a vertical attack.

20. Detroit Lions - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State

The Lions bypass bigger defensive needs to pick up the best tight end prospect in the draft. Pettigrew is an outstanding pass catcher with even better skills as a blocker. Though he lacks the speed to stretch the middle of the field, he's a big-time weapon capable of serving as a solid complement to Calvin Johnson in the passing game.
» Wilcots: Lions ignore defensive needs

21. Cleveland Browns - Alex Mack, C, California

After moving down multiple times in the first round, the Browns tab Mack as their pivot of the future. The former Golden Bear has outstanding overall skills and should man the middle of the Browns' line for years. Although the move doesn't have the sizzle of other potential choices, it fortifies the interior of the team's offense and should improve its dismal running game.

22. Minnesota Vikings - Percy Harvin, WR, Florida

The Vikings ignore the potential character risks and select the immensely talented Harvin with their first-round pick. The do-it-all playmaker makes life easier for quarterbacks Sage Rosenfels and Tarvaris Jackson with his ability to score from anywhere on the field. With Adrian Peterson and Bernard Berrian receiving the bulk of opponents' attention, Harvin could emerge a surprise star in his rookie season.
» Hanson: Vikings team Harvin with Peterson

23. Baltimore Ravens - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

The Ravens opt to build the depth on their offensive line with the selection of Oher. The former Rebel is a talented blocker with the potential to develop into an elite player in the Ravens' system. Although he may not jump into the team's starting lineup on Day 1, he should become a key contributor by season's end.

24. Atlanta Falcons - Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi

The Falcons address their thin defensive line by picking up Jerry. As a hard-working one-gap penetrator, Jerry gives Mike Smith the "3-technique" that he covets in the middle of the defense. Though Jerry's production in college was a byproduct of an aggressive movement system, he's a solid player who fits in well with the Falcons.

25. Miami Dolphins - Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

The ultra-talented cover corner from Illinois has the all of the tools to be an impact player as a rookie. As a big corner with outstanding feet and instincts, Davis is capable of matching up with the division's superior cast of receivers. Although he suffers from mental lapses at times, Davis' talent significantly boosts the quality of play in the Dolphins' secondary.

26. Green Bay Packers - Clay Matthews, LB, USC

The Packers add a versatile outside linebacker to their 3-4. Matthews' multi-dimensional game serves as the perfect complement to Aaron Kampman. As a credible rushing threat with underrated cover skills, Matthews gives Dom Capers the ability to mix and match his rush schemes. Though he only spent one season as a starter in college, he has the potential to be a solid pro in the Packers' defense.

27. Indianapolis Colts - Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut

The elusive runner from Connecticut has outstanding speed, quickness and vision. He excels at running between the tackles and is an ideal fit in the Colts' zone-based running game. With Joseph Addai suffering from durability issues, Brown could blossom as a rotational player.

28. Buffalo Bills - Eric Wood, C, Louisville

The Bills add a versatile offensive lineman to their reshuffled lineup. Though Wood is viewed as a pivot by some scouts, he has the size, skills and football IQ to man several positions along the line. With the team attempting to cope with the loss of Jason Peters, Wood could be a key player in the Bills' rebuilding efforts.

29. New York Giants - Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina

The former Tar Heel is an outstanding receiver with all of the tools to be a No. 1 receiver as a pro. As a big, strong playmaker with outstanding hands, Nicks should fill in nicely for the departed Plaxico Burress in the Giants' receiving corps.

30. Tennessee Titans - Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers

The Herculean pass catcher from Rutgers gives Kerry Collins a big target over the middle of the field. Although he suffers from inconsistent hands, Britt has the skills to be a productive playmaker in the Titans' vertical passing game.

31. Arizona Cardinals - Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, Ohio State

The Cardinals get their power runner with Wells. The former Buckeye excels at grinding between the tackles, and his physical running style gives Ken Whisenhunt the option of playing smash-mouth football in the desert. Though there has been some question about his toughness and durability, Wells has been ultra-productive when featured as a runner. He could put up big numbers in an offense that has normally moved the ball through the air.
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Evander "Ziggy" Hood, DT, Missouri

The Steelers snag the energetic Hood at the bottom of their first round to upgrade their depth along the line. Though many pegged Hood as a "one-gap" interior tackle, his combination of strength and movements skills fit in nicely as a 3-4 DE. With the luxury of learning behind a veteran crew, Hood should develop into a starter in a year or two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
fantastic story on the ravens pick michael oher written as he'd just gone to ole miss 3 years ago here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 26, 2009, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
fantastic story on the ravens pick michael oher written as he'd just gone to ole miss 3 years ago here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html

I have the book, its a good read, but at times I did feel myself questioning the motives of the Touhy family. But I guess they did turn Michaels life around. They bent every rule they could to make him eligable to play college. But he needed it, considering he was illiterate and socially clueless even in his early teens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 26, 2009, 10:57:20 PM
Anyone watching Lebron? On fire!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 27, 2009, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on April 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
fantastic story on the ravens pick michael oher written as he'd just gone to ole miss 3 years ago here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html


If theres anyone who ever deserved to make millions playing in the NFL,its Michael Oher, fantastic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 27, 2009, 04:49:53 AM
Quote from: The Claw on April 26, 2009, 10:57:20 PM
Anyone watching Lebron? On fire!

The man is in a different league! great to watch.
Himself and Koby should make a great final, cant see anyone else getting there. Boston is screwed without Garnett although they will still make it tough for Cleveland. If they beat Chicago!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 27, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
F- me!!!!

Just reported on NFL network that Bears worked on getting Boldin during the draft with AZ but AZ didn't want the 3rd round pick. :o

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2009, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 27, 2009, 08:21:44 PM
F- me!!!!

Just reported on NFL network that Bears worked on getting Boldin during the draft with AZ but AZ didn't want the 3rd round pick. :o



I think they were looking at least a 2nd round pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on April 27, 2009, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on April 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
fantastic story on the ravens pick michael oher written as he'd just gone to ole miss 3 years ago here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html


If theres anyone who ever deserved to make millions playing in the NFL,its Michael Oher, fantastic.

Great article there. What would his contract be worth ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2009, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 02:24:58 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on April 27, 2009, 12:12:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on April 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
fantastic story on the ravens pick michael oher written as he'd just gone to ole miss 3 years ago here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/magazine/24football.html


If theres anyone who ever deserved to make millions playing in the NFL,its Michael Oher, fantastic.

Great article there. What would his contract be worth ?

Deel, he wont have signed yet but the corresponding pick in the '08 Draft, Rashard Mendenhall, signed a 5 yr $12.6m contract with $7.125m guaranteed so it will be upwards of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 28, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
His storey is being made into a film. You should read the book though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 28, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
His storey is being made into a film. You should read the book though.

i will Juice.  When Do they sign the contracts minder is it later in the summer ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on April 28, 2009, 02:47:28 PM
have the byes changed? This season all the teams have their bye between weeks 4-10. Last season didn't two teams have their bye each week? Not that this is a big deal, just wondering.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2009, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on April 28, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 28, 2009, 02:41:59 PM
His storey is being made into a film. You should read the book though.

i will Juice.  When Do they sign the contracts minder is it later in the summer ?

It depends what kind of agent they have  ! Ja Marcus Russell played very little for the Raiders in his rookie season because he held out and missed most of training camp. The teams will want them signed before training camp as they will have new offense/defence to learn etc
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on May 01, 2009, 07:01:31 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 27, 2009, 04:49:53 AM
Quote from: The Claw on April 26, 2009, 10:57:20 PM
Anyone watching Lebron? On fire!

The man is in a different league! great to watch.
Himself and Koby should make a great final, cant see anyone else getting there. Boston is screwed without Garnett although they will still make it tough for Cleveland. If they beat Chicago!

The mans unreal....think hes better than koby...rondos having some playoffs for the celtics...great series between them and the bulls was suppose to go to the game in boston on tuesday but woke up tuesday morning dieing with the flu  >:(

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 01, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
There's talk of Brett Favre coming out retirement. He is still yet to have surgery on his shoulder and I'm sure his wife Deana wants him to stay home and cut the lawn, and he will want to be out in the fields on his John Deere. I just want to say it now, its not going to happen, end of discussion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 01, 2009, 09:52:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on May 01, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
There's talk of Brett Favre coming out retirement. He is still yet to have surgery on his shoulder and I'm sure his wife Deana wants him to stay home and cut the lawn, and he will want to be out in the fields on his John Deere. I just want to say it now, its not going to happen, end of discussion.

I hope your right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 01, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 01, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
There's talk of Brett Favre coming out retirement. He is still yet to have surgery on his shoulder and I'm sure his wife Deana wants him to stay home and cut the lawn, and he will want to be out in the fields on his John Deere. I just want to say it now, its not going to happen, end of discussion.

ok ;) any team mentioned?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 01, 2009, 07:56:04 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on May 01, 2009, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 01, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
There's talk of Brett Favre coming out retirement. He is still yet to have surgery on his shoulder and I'm sure his wife Deana wants him to stay home and cut the lawn, and he will want to be out in the fields on his John Deere. I just want to say it now, its not going to happen, end of discussion.

ok ;) any team mentioned?


Vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 01, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
Favre will end up coaching some High School team, I think he worked out with and helped his nephew's team before signing with the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 02, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
Im making plans to go see the falcons against the panthers in september. What's the best way to get tickets. I havent been to a game in the USA yet. when will tickets go on sale and will a divisional game like that sell out quick. thanks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on May 03, 2009, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: thejuice on May 02, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
Im making plans to go see the falcons against the panthers in september. What's the best way to get tickets. I havent been to a game in the USA yet. when will tickets go on sale and will a divisional game like that sell out quick. thanks.


Juice,

I have a buddy who lives in Hotlanta, I just shot him an email.

He will tell me where you should stay, get tickets, tailgaiting pre-game, bars after the game and everything else you will need to know.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 03, 2009, 08:54:09 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on May 03, 2009, 12:16:43 AM
Quote from: thejuice on May 02, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
Im making plans to go see the falcons against the panthers in september. What's the best way to get tickets. I havent been to a game in the USA yet. when will tickets go on sale and will a divisional game like that sell out quick. thanks.


Juice,

I have a buddy who lives in Hotlanta, I just shot him an email.

He will tell me where you should stay, get tickets, tailgaiting pre-game, bars after the game and everything else you will need to know.



sound
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 04, 2009, 05:43:58 PM
Shamrock Bowl XVII (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL_A3LOFLT8) on Sky Sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 04, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Farve has a hard on for the Vikings, he ants to stick it to the packers for the way they treated him yet he fails to accept that they lost interest in him because he couldnt decide to retire or not and so they quite rightly moved on, he then unretired again and they had already committed to Aaron Rogers. Farve then got his mammy and his brother to slam the packers in the media and lied on tv when he claimed they had done nothing to lure him back, they had offered to fly down to meet with him, he agreed and then a few hours before the GM and VP were to fly down to Mississippi to meet with him he called to tell them not to bother as he was staying retired...........again.

Farve makes everything about him, he was a good quarterback who had moments of brilliance however he is washed up, he quit on the Jets and mailed it in in the last quarter or so of the season and all he wants to do is rub the Packers face in it after everything he put them through and vice versa.

I have to listen to people talking about farve every day of my life,they love him around here although I will say he has lot a lot of support  because of the way he has treated the Packers over the past few years, he is and was a prima donna and he is way overrated in my estimation, the Viqueens would do well to forget about Farve, they dont need another circus in Minneapolis. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on May 05, 2009, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Farve has a hard on for the Vikings, he ants to stick it to the packers for the way they treated him yet he fails to accept that they lost interest in him because he couldnt decide to retire or not and so they quite rightly moved on, he then unretired again and they had already committed to Aaron Rogers. Farve then got his mammy and his brother to slam the packers in the media and lied on tv when he claimed they had done nothing to lure him back, they had offered to fly down to meet with him, he agreed and then a few hours before the GM and VP were to fly down to Mississippi to meet with him he called to tell them not to bother as he was staying retired...........again.

Farve makes everything about him, he was a good quarterback who had moments of brilliance however he is washed up, he quit on the Jets and mailed it in in the last quarter or so of the season and all he wants to do is rub the Packers face in it after everything he put them through and vice versa.

I have to listen to people talking about farve every day of my life,they love him around here although I will say he has lot a lot of support  because of the way he has treated the Packers over the past few years, he is and was a prima donna and he is way overrated in my estimation, the Viqueens would do well to forget about Farve, they dont need another circus in Minneapolis. ;)

The people of greenbay all think like this stew?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 05, 2009, 08:36:30 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Farve has a hard on for the Vikings, he ants to stick it to the packers for the way they treated him yet he fails to accept that they lost interest in him because he couldnt decide to retire or not and so they quite rightly moved on, he then unretired again and they had already committed to Aaron Rogers. Farve then got his mammy and his brother to slam the packers in the media and lied on tv when he claimed they had done nothing to lure him back, they had offered to fly down to meet with him, he agreed and then a few hours before the GM and VP were to fly down to Mississippi to meet with him he called to tell them not to bother as he was staying retired...........again.

Farve makes everything about him, he was a good quarterback who had moments of brilliance however he is washed up, he quit on the Jets and mailed it in in the last quarter or so of the season and all he wants to do is rub the Packers face in it after everything he put them through and vice versa.

I have to listen to people talking about farve every day of my life,they love him around here although I will say he has lot a lot of support  because of the way he has treated the Packers over the past few years, he is and was a prima donna and he is way overrated in my estimation, the Viqueens would do well to forget about Farve, they dont need another circus in Minneapolis. ;)

i think hes a legend stew....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 06, 2009, 08:51:44 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4142857
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 06, 2009, 10:38:33 AM
Damn it, No Brett, don't do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 06, 2009, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: thejuice on May 01, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
There's talk of Brett Favre coming out retirement. He is still yet to have surgery on his shoulder and I'm sure his wife Deana wants him to stay home and cut the lawn, and he will want to be out in the fields on his John Deere. I just want to say it now, its not going to happen, end of discussion.

cant wait to see him back!!!! go vikings
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 07, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Manny Ramirez to be suspended 50 games for positive steroid test

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 07, 2009, 06:47:57 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 05, 2009, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Farve has a hard on for the Vikings, he ants to stick it to the packers for the way they treated him yet he fails to accept that they lost interest in him because he couldnt decide to retire or not and so they quite rightly moved on, he then unretired again and they had already committed to Aaron Rogers. Farve then got his mammy and his brother to slam the packers in the media and lied on tv when he claimed they had done nothing to lure him back, they had offered to fly down to meet with him, he agreed and then a few hours before the GM and VP were to fly down to Mississippi to meet with him he called to tell them not to bother as he was staying retired...........again.

Farve makes everything about him, he was a good quarterback who had moments of brilliance however he is washed up, he quit on the Jets and mailed it in in the last quarter or so of the season and all he wants to do is rub the Packers face in it after everything he put them through and vice versa.

I have to listen to people talking about farve every day of my life,they love him around here although I will say he has lot a lot of support  because of the way he has treated the Packers over the past few years, he is and was a prima donna and he is way overrated in my estimation, the Viqueens would do well to forget about Farve, they dont need another circus in Minneapolis. ;)

The people of greenbay all think like this stew?

Nah, it is 50/50. The GM is a guy called Ted Thompson, he is an anti social man who cannot relate well to fans, the media or players. Farve hates him with a passion and both of them have huge ego's. Farve made it worse by allegedly telling a mate from the Lions how to beat the packers wehn they run certain schemes, the packers leaked that information and publically embarassed him, strike that, he embarassed himself.

I blame both parties involved but since his dad died farve has gone off the rails, his wife is a slabber as his his brother and agent, the worst shark in the pool and he is taking bad advice left, right and centre.

Lambeau will a be surreal when he shows up in purple, half the fans will cheer him and the other half will want to hit him, a sad end to what should have been an unblemished legacy in Packer country.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 07, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 07, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Manny Ramirez to be suspended 50 games for positive steroid test

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Good enough for the hateful hoor. He is as likeable as barroid bonds. ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on May 07, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 07, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Manny Ramirez to be suspended 50 games for positive steroid test

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Good enough for the hateful hoor. He is as likeable as barroid bonds. ::)


Bonds! How is Bonds getting on these days?

Does he still "suck"??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on May 07, 2009, 08:11:24 PM
What happen him at boston again?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 07, 2009, 08:53:29 PM
he was an incorrigable p**ck
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 07, 2009, 09:29:52 PM
Quote from: turk on May 07, 2009, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 07, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Manny Ramirez to be suspended 50 games for positive steroid test

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Good enough for the hateful hoor. He is as likeable as barroid bonds. ::)


Bonds! How is Bonds getting on these days?

Does he still "suck"??

last i heard he was looking for a club but got no offers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 07, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Heard The Dodgers had just named part of their stadium "Mannywood"   :D
So the question is now how long has he been taking it?  I am sure alot of Red Sox fans will be wondering too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on May 07, 2009, 09:35:20 PM
Yea red sox should be stripped of there 2007 world series carmen  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 07, 2009, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 07, 2009, 04:59:26 PM
Manny Ramirez to be suspended 50 games for positive steroid test

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez8-2009may08,0,6324894.story

Good enough for the hateful hoor. He is as likeable as barroid bonds. ::)

couldnt agree more, one selfish focker
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on May 08, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
Well guys what you think of the Eagles Draft pick and trades?
Gonna miss B-Dawk something shockin!
Think they can push a couple of steps further this year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on May 11, 2009, 11:57:45 AM
Great result for the Celtics last night.  Whodda thunk big baby would be the game winner.

Great to see the Yao and McGrady-less Rockets beating the Lakers too.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 12, 2009, 09:46:21 PM
Two regular season games in London in 2010?

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- After seeing fans jam London's Wembley Stadium the past two years to watch an NFL game, the league is considering sending a second regular-season contest overseas in time for the 2010 season.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday that the second game also could be played in London or another location in the United Kingdom. The issue will be discussed at next week's league meetings and could be included in a larger plan to add up to two regular-season games to the NFL schedule.

"The fan reaction we've had in London has been extraordinary. We would like to feed that passion," Goodell said after speaking at the Charlotte Touchdown Club. "We have a great fan base in the UK. There have been discussions of taking the second game and playing it in another market in the UK. That's something that we'll evaluate."

The NFL first staged a regular-season game in London in 2007, when the New York Giants beat the Miami Dolphins 13-10. Last year, the New Orleans Saints beat the San Diego Chargers 37-32 at Wembley Stadium.

Both games were sellouts, and fans quickly gobbled up tickets for next season's Oct. 25 game between the New England Patriots and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

While Goodell reiterated that there are no plans to move the Super Bowl to London, he said a second regular-season game is drawing support from league owners.

"I think the teams have had a great experience that have gone over," Goodell said. "We've been able to build on that, and I think teams recognize it's an honor and a privilege to go over and play there. And it can be done without impacting the team negatively."

However, some players have been critical of the overseas games because of the extensive travel involved in the middle of the season. One team also loses a home game in the arrangement, a potential competitive disadvantage.

"The negative is taking the home game away from the fans," Goodell said. "It's another reason why potentially restructuring the season and changing two preseason into regular-season (games) can be something that we find is beneficial to the fans."

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on May 12, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 07, 2009, 09:33:30 PM
Heard The Dodgers had just named part of their stadium "Mannywood"   :D
So the question is now how long has he been taking it?  I am sure alot of Red Sox fans will be wondering too!

Apparently Barry Bonds, A Roid, Manny and a couple of other guys who have been implicated in steroid scandals all have the same a gent a guy called Scott Boras

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30675305/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 15, 2009, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 12, 2009, 09:46:21 PM
Two regular season games in London in 2010?

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- After seeing fans jam London's Wembley Stadium the past two years to watch an NFL game, the league is considering sending a second regular-season contest overseas in time for the 2010 season.

They should be playing games in Germany as well, its just as popular there. I know a good few German fans are a bit pissed off with all the emphasis on the UK. NFL europe was practically NFL Germany by the time it finished.

Also some bloke was sending this survey around on American Football fans in Ireland. you never know we might get a game here sometime if theres enough interest. Fill it out if you wish.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=Qqvuo0OaJtvjN6pwWCmEEA_3d_3d
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on May 15, 2009, 06:36:35 PM
Quote from: mikasas on May 08, 2009, 01:48:49 PM
Well guys what you think of the Eagles Draft pick and trades?
Gonna miss B-Dawk something shockin!
Think they can push a couple of steps further this year?

It looks promising for them. They lost Thomas and Runyan on the offensive line and brought in Andrews and Peters to replace them. Then in the draft the traded up for Maclin. Le Sean McCoy should also be a big help with the running game and they got a new tightend Ingram. They will be favourites for the NFC title at least imo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on May 19, 2009, 09:58:38 PM
http://fanrankings.nfl.com/

predict how the teams will finish this coming season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 20, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
anyone following the basketball?
Been a great season so far with the Nuggets and Lakers currently contesting the West Coast Conference and Koby Bryant putting in an outstanding 4th quarter with an individual tally of 18 points.
On the East coast the Magics face LeBron James' Cavaliers after beating my team (Boston Celtics)

It could be the final everyone wants this year with arguably the two best players of the last 10 years going head to head if Koby meets LeBron in the finals!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 20, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 20, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
anyone following the basketball?
Been a great season so far with the Nuggets and Lakers currently contesting the West Coast Conference and Koby Bryant putting in an outstanding 4th quarter with an individual tally of 18 points.
On the East coast the Magics face LeBron James' Cavaliers after beating my team (Boston Celtics)

It could be the final everyone wants this year with arguably the two best players of the last 10 years going head to head if Koby meets LeBron in the finals!

Yeah, watched the game last night. Watching Carmelo Anthony and Kobe go at it was great. It's going to be a super series and I fully expect it to go to 7 games. I don't like the lakers but I hope they win just so it can be a Kobe-Lebron final.

I saw the Celtics go out on Sun. They were terrible. Never looked like they were going to win it. Allen did his best but Pierce looked tired and Rondo didn't have a good game. Can't see Orlando giving the Cav's much trouble TBH.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 20, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 20, 2009, 03:35:37 PM

Yeah, watched the game last night. Watching Carmelo Anthony and Kobe go at it was great. It's going to be a super series and I fully expect it to go to 7 games. I don't like the lakers but I hope they win just so it can be a Kobe-Lebron final.

I saw the Celtics go out on Sun. They were terrible. Never looked like they were going to win it. Allen did his best but Pierce looked tired and Rondo didn't have a good game. Can't see Orlando giving the Cav's much trouble TBH.

I don't know about that - if the Magics play like they did on Sunday it definitely won't be a one sided series - Howard is a beast and if everyone steps up their game they are in with a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 20, 2009, 05:21:10 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 20, 2009, 05:14:58 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 20, 2009, 03:35:37 PM

Yeah, watched the game last night. Watching Carmelo Anthony and Kobe go at it was great. It's going to be a super series and I fully expect it to go to 7 games. I don't like the lakers but I hope they win just so it can be a Kobe-Lebron final.

I saw the Celtics go out on Sun. They were terrible. Never looked like they were going to win it. Allen did his best but Pierce looked tired and Rondo didn't have a good game. Can't see Orlando giving the Cav's much trouble TBH.

I don't know about that - if the Magics play like they did on Sunday it definitely won't be a one sided series - Howard is a beast and if everyone steps up their game they are in with a chance.

Howard is brilliant all right but any time I've seen the cav's this year they have looked very very impressive. And Lebron is just amazing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 20, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
dunno about that- the magic were very close to going out against a weakened celtics team and Howard was pretty quiet towards the end of that series. Cavs to win handy enough I think...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 20, 2009, 10:57:24 PM
If we can just nudge Howard about 6 feet away from the basket, we'll be in decent shape, I hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on May 21, 2009, 12:21:27 AM
It'd be nice to see the Cavs win the whole thing. With his ring attained, LeBron might feel the pull of The Garden and the chance to single-handedly rescue the richest (and one of the shittest) team in the NBA and come to NYC next summer!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on May 21, 2009, 04:38:18 AM
Jaysus that was a great finish to game one...The Magic have set down the marker in relieving Cleveland of home court advantage,
The magic might not be as accurate from the 3 point line but King James might not score 49 again either...Game on!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 21, 2009, 04:55:31 AM
Great finish indeed, what a start for Orlando! 
Howard is some beast of a cub  :o
If Le Bron can get any help from the rest of his side they should be good enough but Orlando proved with there Game 7 win in Boston that they are no push over.
Both Finals look evenly poised, Denver very unlucky last night thought they the better side throughout but Lakers hung in and took it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on May 21, 2009, 04:59:00 AM
Le Bron looked to be in a fair bit of pain walking off not to mention dead on his feet....be some pity to lose him to injury at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 21, 2009, 05:13:45 AM
Might just be cramp, but in fairness he took soom heavy knocks. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 21, 2009, 01:21:35 PM
He confirmed after the game that it was just cramp and that he is not injured. Rashard Lewis was brilliant in the second half. Looks like it could be a good series after all.

They made such a big deal of Howard breaking the shot clock but it wasn't that big of a dunk. The shot clock was just put up badly. It's been shown as one of the top plays of the night  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 21, 2009, 03:15:49 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 20, 2009, 05:31:11 PM
dunno about that- the magic were very close to going out against a weakened celtics team and Howard was pretty quiet towards the end of that series. Cavs to win handy enough I think...

Never write off the underdog good sir!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on May 22, 2009, 11:55:43 AM
Hmmm, interesting result last night.  The Lakers could be in trouble now.  Could the nightmare for the US TV stations come true.... a Magic v Nuggets finals?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 22, 2009, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: rory on May 22, 2009, 11:55:43 AM
Hmmm, interesting result last night.  The Lakers could be in trouble now.  Could the nightmare for the US TV stations come true.... a Magic v Nuggets finals?

Twas a great game. Don't know why the Lakers didn't get the ball to Kobe at the end. Fisher hasn't shot the ball well in the playoffs and Kobe had made 2 3's with Anthony literally poking him in the eye :o
Still expect the Lakers to win it. Gasol, Odom and Bynam need to start controlling the boards though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 23, 2009, 04:35:29 AM
Le Bron :o :o
The man is unreal!
2 pts down 1 second to go, who do you want with the ball only the league MVP.  He steps up to the plate with a three pointer to win the game, thought the finish wednesday was good but this tops it all!  People may find basketball boring but the game tonight would change alot of veiws.  Both finals have been excellent so far, hopefully it continues this way!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on May 23, 2009, 07:43:15 PM
Can't believe that he drained that shot. I think the magic are in a fight now, they should be going to Orlando 2-0 up. That would have been game set and match in my opinion.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 27, 2009, 08:06:21 AM
Looks like there wont be the dream Lakers v Cavs final, Orlando 3-1 up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 05, 2009, 02:58:18 PM
All too easy for the lakers last night. Orlando depends on Howard to suck in defenders and his perimeter men to knock down their shots. If their shooting if off then it'll turn into a hack-a-howard as he's relatively poor from the free-throw line.
Lakers in 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 05, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
Lakers looked good last night but Orlando didn't compete.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 05, 2009, 06:21:52 PM
The NBA is horse cr#p, if you want to watch millionare athletes play for 10 minutes the NBA is what you need to watch.

Now if you want to watch athletes play every second of every play watch the Stanley Cup Finals. A hundred mph puck into the ribs, a stick to the face drawing blood, a check into the boards that cracks the glass - no problem!! Play on!!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 05, 2009, 06:24:32 PM
No comparison DH! Ice hockey is woeful to watch. The playoffs in the NBA this year have been fantastic viewing. The superstars have been playing tons of minutes and there is nothing better in American sport than watching Kobe when he gets the bit between his teeth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 05, 2009, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on June 05, 2009, 06:21:52 PM
The NBA is horse cr#p, if you want to watch millionare athletes play for 10 minutes the NBA is what you need to watch.

Now if you want to watch athletes play every second of every play watch the Stanley Cup Finals. A hundred mph puck into the ribs, a stick to the face drawing blood, a check into the boards that cracks the glass - no problem!! Play on!!


ice hockey my ass. this is a sport thread, what next dressage?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 05, 2009, 07:40:58 PM
Ice Hockey is one of the hardest sports to play. It requires endurance, speed, muscle, toughness, coordination, split second adjustments and killer instincts.

The action is non-stop from 1st period till the end.

Yes, some of these NBA stars are out on the court for the majority of the game but they usually only put in about ten minutes of hard playing time per game.

The only exciting time in B-Ball is the last 3-6 minutes of the game.


And unlike the NBA (King James "The Gentleman") the NHL players are out there shaking hands at the end of a series.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 05, 2009, 07:53:03 PM
please do not try and apply your version of logic to my own criteria of what constitutes a sport.

ice is for cooling my drink and watching other people slip on in the street.

Gab Hurl- you want to straighten this out for him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2009, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 05, 2009, 07:53:03 PMGab Hurl- you want to straighten this out for him?

Ice hockey is fantastic - and I'd have it above any of the other North American sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 05, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2009, 09:32:49 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 05, 2009, 07:53:03 PMGab Hurl- you want to straighten this out for him?

Ice hockey is fantastic - and I'd have it above any of the other North American sports

Thank You Mr Gabriel_Hurl for your Wisdom

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on June 05, 2009, 10:39:37 PM
would prefer the NFL to them both to be honest, but the other 3 are close together, couldn't call between them,
though the NBA playoffs this year have been fantastic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 06, 2009, 02:04:04 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 05, 2009, 09:32:49 PM
Ice hockey is fantastic - and I'd have it above any of the other North American sports
I meant my opinion of it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 06, 2009, 02:40:37 AM
Ice ockey may be fun to play but from a viewers stand point it's last, seconded only to lacrosse.
plus it gives puck a headache trying to watch the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 08, 2009, 03:16:25 AM
lacrosse- hurling for the co-ordination impaired
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 08, 2009, 07:57:06 AM
2-0 to the Lakers. Don't sese the Magie coming back.
I'm sticking with the lakers in 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 08, 2009, 01:58:31 PM
I can watch Basketball - but I would turn it over if the NFL was on another channel.
I'm lost in the summer out here with no NFL until the Autumn.
Setanta is delayed coverage, Justin.tv is horrible quality and with the way things are money wise I don't have $20 + every other weekend to take in a championship game live at the pub.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyronefan on June 08, 2009, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 08, 2009, 01:58:31 PM
I can watch Basketball - but I would turn it over if the NFL was on another channel.
I'm lost in the summer out here with no NFL until the Autumn.
Setanta is delayed coverage, Justin.tv is horrible quality and with the way things are money wise I don't have $20 + every other weekend to take in a championship game live at the pub.

is things that bad Iceman
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 08, 2009, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: tyronefan on June 08, 2009, 02:07:21 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 08, 2009, 01:58:31 PM
I can watch Basketball - but I would turn it over if the NFL was on another channel.
I'm lost in the summer out here with no NFL until the Autumn.
Setanta is delayed coverage, Justin.tv is horrible quality and with the way things are money wise I don't have $20 + every other weekend to take in a championship game live at the pub.

is things that bad Iceman

money is tight as hell over here - for me anyways
$20 to watch the game - 9am in the morning you'll take a breakfast - that's another $12 at least
It all adds up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 11, 2009, 10:22:43 PM
Steelers Superbowl rings

(http://io2.steelers.com/MediaContent/2009/06/09/12/Photo_1_105794.jpg)

(http://io2.steelers.com/MediaContent/2009/06/09/12/Photo_3_105796.jpg)

(http://io2.steelers.com/MediaContent/2009/06/09/12/Photo_4_105798.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 11, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
good article on the superbowl rings here...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/sports/football/11rings.html?ref=sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 12, 2009, 09:53:22 AM
why bother putting world champions on the ring ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Massey-135 on June 12, 2009, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 12, 2009, 09:53:22 AM
why bother putting world champions on the ring ?

To distinguish between all the different years and winners?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 12, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
I suppose the losing Superbowl team get their respective conference rings, so maybe the 'World Champions' tag is just an exclamation mark to differentiate on first look between them and the Conference rings of the same year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gnevin on June 12, 2009, 11:44:12 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 12, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
I suppose the losing Superbowl team get their respective conference rings, so maybe the 'World Champions' tag is just an exclamation mark to differentiate on first look between them and the Conference rings of the same year.
Are Tyrone Gaelic football world champions 2008?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 12, 2009, 12:01:39 PM
I suppose they are, yes. And they have more right to the claim given New York and London are eligible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 12, 2009, 12:15:37 PM
what would the gaa use as rings maybe a claddagh  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 12, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
a celtic cross is your only man...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on June 12, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 12, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
a celtic cross is your only man...

Sure a Mayo man wouldnt know what that is ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 12, 2009, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: full back on June 12, 2009, 01:40:12 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 12, 2009, 01:36:31 PM
a celtic cross is your only man...

Sure a Mayo man wouldnt know what that is ;)

don't be stirring fullback  :D i'm sure the Ai club final winners medal is a celtic cross  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 12, 2009, 09:45:26 PM
1273 games have been played - not it comes down to 1 more

Game 7 of the Stanley Cup Final tonight - 1am UK time on NASN

Go Penguins!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 12, 2009, 09:46:55 PM
Looking forward to this. I haven't caught much all year, but game 7 of a Stanley Cup Finals is hard to beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 12, 2009, 11:53:29 PM
Just got back home with a case of Labatt's Blue for the Game, 70 minutes to first face-off. 


Let's go Blackhawks!!!!!!!!!!! ;)



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 13, 2009, 01:51:47 AM
Actually enjoying this game.  First Hockey game i really sat down to watch.  Found myself cheering for Pittsburg for some reason which might not be a good thing for them :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 13, 2009, 02:08:29 AM
Pittsburg take the lead
1-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 13, 2009, 02:24:20 AM
2-0 Pittsburg away from home too! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 13, 2009, 03:24:08 AM
2-1 game on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 13, 2009, 03:38:24 AM
Pittsburg win 2-1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 13, 2009, 07:25:29 AM
Carmen, tell everyone your thoughts on a NHL game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 16, 2009, 11:30:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.

30 days jail
10 years probation
Undisclosed financial settlement to the victims family.

All he had to do was plead guilty and have a helluva lawyer.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 16, 2009, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on June 16, 2009, 11:30:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
Donte Stallworth of the Browns could be in the shit, he hit and killed a pedestrian whilst driving his car last week in Miami and there are now unconfirmed reports that he was airlocked.

30 days jail
10 years probation
Undisclosed financial settlement to the victims family.

All he had to do was plead guilty and have a helluva lawyer.



F#cking unbelievable!!!!!! :o

Plaxico Burress will end up getting more jail time for shooting himself  ::)


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
Hard to believe, 30 days!
Does the victims family have to agree with this settlement?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 17, 2009, 04:17:04 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
Hard to believe, 30 days!
Does the victims family have to agree with this settlement?


It is up to the District Attorney/States Attorney for the criminal charges. The DA/SA will discuss the reality of going forward with the charges and take their input into consideration, but ultimately its in the prosecutors hands.

The undisclosed financial settlement is probably high enough to buy the family's silence.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 04:22:33 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on June 17, 2009, 04:17:04 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
Hard to believe, 30 days!
Does the victims family have to agree with this settlement?


It is up to the District Attorney/States Attorney for the criminal charges. The DA/SA will discuss the reality of going forward with the charges and take their input into consideration, but ultimately its in the prosecutors hands.

The undisclosed financial settlement is probably high enough to buy the family's silence.



Its got to be something outrageous.
Cant see Burress getting much either if they go on this verdict!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 17, 2009, 07:34:51 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 03:38:19 AM
Hard to believe, 30 days!
Does the victims family have to agree with this settlement?



I think it was already agreed on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 17, 2009, 09:15:31 AM
If he wasnt a footballer he'd have got 10+ years I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 08:17:08 PM
Some crowd in LA to meet the Lakers  :o
http://www.justin.tv/directv_09 (http://www.justin.tv/directv_09)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 17, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
is that the coliseum? some crowd there, the NBA championship is probably the hardest title to win in US sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2009, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on June 17, 2009, 08:48:38 PM
is that the coliseum? some crowd there, the NBA championship is probably the hardest title to win in US sports

Thats it plus thats their actual court they have there aswell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on July 04, 2009, 10:14:31 PM
Report: Steve McNair Slain
Posted by Mike Florio on July 4, 2009 4:18 PM
According to NewsChannel5.com in Nashville, long-time NFL quarterback Steve McNair has been found dead.

McNair reportedly suffered a gunshot wound in an apparent murder-suicide.

Further details currently are not available; check back for more developments.

He was a first-round pick of the Houston Oilers in 1995, and he played for the franchise through the 2005 season.  McNair was then traded to the Ravens, and he spent two seasons in Baltimore before retiring.

UPDATE:  The report from NewsChanel5.com has been revised to describe the situation as a "double homicide."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 04, 2009, 10:17:38 PM
WTF?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 04, 2009, 10:28:23 PM
Steve McNair, the NFL's co-MVP in 2003, has been found dead according to the Nashville police. An unidentified woman was also found dead at the scene.

"We do not know the circumstances related to the death," Don Aaron, information director for the Metropolitan Nashville Police Department, said.

The former Titans and Ravens quarterback was the franchise leader in wins by a starting quarterback and was the single-season record-holder in passer rating.

He was drafted third overall by the Houston Oilers in 1995 after a sparkling career at then-Div. I-AA Alcorn State.

He spent the first 11 years of his career with the Oilers/Tennessee Titans and in addition to winning 2003 league MVP honors, he led the Titans to Super Bowl XXXIV.

In his final two seasons, McNair was the Ravens' starting quarterback and in 2006 he led them to a 13-3 record and an AFC North crown.

"We are saddened and shocked to hear the news of Steve McNair's passing today," Tennessee Titans owner K.S. "Bud" Adams, Jr. said in a statement. "He was one of the finest players to play for our organization and one of the most beloved players by our fans. He played with unquestioned heart and leadership and led us to places that we had never reached, including our only Super Bowl. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family as they deal with his untimely passing."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 05, 2009, 02:05:49 PM
HOLY SHIT, just read that. Unbelievable. How many NFL players have died needlessly in the last few years, its just sickening and sad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 05, 2009, 02:56:22 PM
Reading between the lines it looks as if hewas with some woman he shouldn't have been.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 08, 2009, 10:05:17 PM
A hard lesson for Mc Nair



Police: McNair was murdered by girlfriend, who then killed herself
Associated Press


NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Police confirmed Wednesday that former NFL quarterback Steve McNair's 20-year-old girlfriend killed him before turning the gun on herself.

Police said they might never know what was going through Sahel Kazemi's mind when she shot McNair in his condominium early Saturday, but interviews with friends led detectives to conclude she was becoming increasingly distraught over events in her life, including financial problems. Police said she also suspected McNair was seeing another woman.

(http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/Sahel-Kazemi_IA.jpg)



Police earlier had labeled McNair's death a homicide but awaited further tests and investigation before saying for sure what happened.

At one point, Kazemi told an associate that her "personal life was all screwed up," Police Chief Ronal Serpas said. She had mounting debts and had been unable to sell her car. Her roommate was moving, which would have doubled her rent.

"We do know that she was clearly sending a message during the last five to seven days of her life that things were going bad quickly," Serpas said, though there was no indication she told anyone she planned to harm McNair.

Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep on a sofa when Kazemi shot him in the head. Kazemi then apparently shot McNair twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head and then shooting herself.

McNair, a quarterback for the Tennessee Titans for most of his 13-year NFL career, was shot at a condo that he rented with another man. The gun was found underneath Kazemi.

Kazemi's family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with him. But associate Mike Mu, who has worked with McNair's charitable association for years, said the former quarterback's wife, Mechelle McNair, "didn't know who this girl is." No records of divorce proceedings have surfaced.

Two days before the shooting, police stopped Kazemi driving the Escalade sports-utility vehicle that McNair gave her for her birthday in May.

According to an arrest affidavit, Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and alcohol on her breath. She refused a breath test and told an officer "she was not drunk, she was high." She was charged with DUI.

McNair was with Kazemi but wasn't charged. He later paid her bail.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 08, 2009, 11:02:23 PM
She wasn't worth it. 6 out of 10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 08, 2009, 11:18:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 08, 2009, 11:02:23 PM
She wasn't worth it. 6 out of 10
Would anyone be worth taking four bullets for?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 08, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
You wouldn't take 4 slaps for that one though. there are a lot of women that might be worth 4 digs but not that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2009, 01:57:19 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 08, 2009, 11:02:23 PM
She wasn't worth it. 6 out of 10

Who exactly is worth getting shot twice in the head and chest for?

Maybe your mum.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 23, 2009, 11:18:31 PM
Mark Buerhle pitched a perfect game for the White Sox this afternoon - aided mightily by his team-mate DeWayne Wise with a brilliant catch in the top of the 9th
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 23, 2009, 11:36:01 PM
thanks for posting that gab. unbelievable achievement and thank you very much dewayne wise! i see he got a call from obama. it really is one of the greatest things in all sport..

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290723104
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 23, 2009, 11:41:27 PM
Watched sanchez pitch that no hitter for the Giants a couple weeks back, first no hitter in Giants history since 1976. Helluva achievement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone86 on July 29, 2009, 12:45:05 AM
Surprised the conditional reinstatement of Michael Vick hasn't gotten a mention here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/american_football/8171838.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/american_football/8171838.stm)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 29, 2009, 01:22:00 AM
Jim Johnson passed away today.

Also Favre has thrown the Vikings under a bus- he says he is not coming out of retirement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 29, 2009, 02:35:35 AM
Favre really does take the piss with these retirement things. I still half expect him to be playing somewhere in the NFL this season, although it may not be the Vikings. I think the Vikings head coach Childress told him to attend all of training camp or forget about is so Favre has stayed retired.

I thnk the Vikings will be ok though. The additions of rookie wide receiver Harvinf and Sage Rosenfels at quarteback should improve the passing game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 29, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
Its that time of year again

(http://www.carrickfergusknights.com/ShamrockBowlXXIII/ShamrockBowlPoster-small.jpg)

Would love myself to go but clashes with other stuff  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on August 04, 2009, 01:37:58 PM
Lads do any of ye know the best site to buy NFL jerseys, want to get the white Broncos jersey as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 04, 2009, 03:26:50 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 04, 2009, 01:37:58 PM
Lads do any of ye know the best site to buy NFL jerseys, want to get the white Broncos jersey as quickly as possible.


Here ya go

http://www.nflshop.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2421485

http://www.footballfanatics.com/NFL_Jerseys

http://www.nfl-jersey.us/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Thanks Harp, have it ordered now and everything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 05, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Thanks Harp, have it ordered now and everything.

Are you in the USA? What is the shipping like in those sites to Ireland?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 05, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Thanks Harp, have it ordered now and everything.

Are you in the USA? What is the shipping like in those sites to Ireland?

No I'm in Ireland.  Thats why I asked here before I ordered off a website, I wanted to see what other people use.  I have checked up some English websites including Reebok, ACA Sports, http://www.greatamericansports.co.uk/ etc but none of them had a great selection and some of the jerseys had old names on the back.  I don't buy many jerseys so in the end I said I'd try NFLshop even if it cost a bit more just because it had a good selection and what I wanted.  The expensive part is the shipping which cost me $25.86.  Going by the websites shipping methods and costs page it will take between 3-7 days to arrive.  I don't know much about buying products from the USA but it normally takes that long when I buy from other websites in Europe anyway so I'm surprised it wont take longer.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed I wont have to wait long anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2009, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 05, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Thanks Harp, have it ordered now and everything.

Are you in the USA? What is the shipping like in those sites to Ireland?

No I'm in Ireland.  Thats why I asked here before I ordered off a website, I wanted to see what other people use.  I have checked up some English websites including Reebok, ACA Sports, http://www.greatamericansports.co.uk/ etc but none of them had a great selection and some of the jerseys had old names on the back.  I don't buy many jerseys so in the end I said I'd try NFLshop even if it cost a bit more just because it had a good selection and what I wanted.  The expensive part is the shipping which cost me $25.86.  Going by the websites shipping methods and costs page it will take between 3-7 days to arrive.  I don't know much about buying products from the USA but it normally takes that long when I buy from other websites in Europe anyway so I'm surprised it wont take longer.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed I wont have to wait long anyway.

NFLShop is a bit pricey but the quality will be top notch. Remember the sizes will be larger from the states ie. a med/large will be more like a xl/xxl. Check the sizing.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 05, 2009, 03:12:27 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:30:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 05, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on August 05, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
Thanks Harp, have it ordered now and everything.

Are you in the USA? What is the shipping like in those sites to Ireland?

No I'm in Ireland.  Thats why I asked here before I ordered off a website, I wanted to see what other people use.  I have checked up some English websites including Reebok, ACA Sports, http://www.greatamericansports.co.uk/ etc but none of them had a great selection and some of the jerseys had old names on the back.  I don't buy many jerseys so in the end I said I'd try NFLshop even if it cost a bit more just because it had a good selection and what I wanted.  The expensive part is the shipping which cost me $25.86.  Going by the websites shipping methods and costs page it will take between 3-7 days to arrive.  I don't know much about buying products from the USA but it normally takes that long when I buy from other websites in Europe anyway so I'm surprised it wont take longer.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed I wont have to wait long anyway.

NFLShop is a bit pricey but the quality will be top notch. Remember the sizes will be larger from the states ie. a med/large will be more like a xl/xxl. Check the sizing.




Yeah I made that mistake last time I got a jersey a couple of years ago.  Got a medium size jersey and it was huge, so I got the small size this time around.  If this doesn't fit me I may have to start looking at the youth/kids sizes   :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on August 10, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
Got my jersey today.  That was quick seeing as I only ordered it last Wednesday.  Anyway just for anyone that orders from outside the EU don't forget about the customs.  I had to pay €35.00 on top of what I had already paid.  So between that and shipping it cost more to have the product delivered to me than to buy the jersey itself.

Worth it though  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 10, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
anyone see the fake punt during the Hall of Fame game last night?

It's a beauty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 10, 2009, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 10, 2009, 05:39:20 PM
anyone see the fake punt during the Hall of Fame game last night?

It's a beauty

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d811c9ec6/NFLTA-Bills-vs-Titans-highlights (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d811c9ec6/NFLTA-Bills-vs-Titans-highlights)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 10, 2009, 07:03:18 PM
it was a beauty all right, took me about 5 times to figure it out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 10, 2009, 07:03:41 PM
great start to the pre-season - thank God the NFL is back  - Monday nights haven't been the same!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 14, 2009, 10:44:59 AM
Not sure where he's going to fit in. Simply a back up for Donavan?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 18, 2009, 04:46:56 PM
I know its only the preseason but Matt Stafford looked very good but also bad at times at the weekend. So too Sanchez, both looked to have potential. Raiders showed flashes against the Cowboys perhaps they might go places with Gratowski at QB?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on August 18, 2009, 05:48:09 PM
Thought jamarcus was starting qb for raiders?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 18, 2009, 06:23:55 PM
Well I'm just guessing. Dont think Russell is any good.

However. In  Other News, Brett Favre is flying out to Minnesota to sign with the Vikings later today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 18, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
Favre to the Vikings is back on. He is expected to sign today. Vikings for the superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Eastern_Pride on August 18, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
This is the Packers year. Not just like other years I can feel it! ;D ;D ;D
On a serious note our defence is awesome and the playoffs is a must as Rodgers is stepping up(or trying to) Bretts mantle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on August 18, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 18, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
Favre to the Vikings is back on. He is expected to sign today. Vikings for the superbowl.

Ah jaysus, not this again  :D Thats one attention hungry man.....

Anyone have any news on how Sky Sports negotiation re new season in NFL is going? If the NFL's going/gone, Im getting rid of Sky as Ive no interest in premiership football......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 18, 2009, 08:51:40 PM
I hope to God they dont drop it, their coverage is great. We wont get anything like it from chan4 BBC or 5. In fact I think due to the popularity of it I cant see them losing it without a fight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 18, 2009, 09:09:44 PM
I think the invention of justin tv will satisfy all my NFL needs for the coming year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 18, 2009, 10:07:06 PM
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Brett Favre is coming back for more.

The 39-year-old quarterback turned his back on retirement for the second time in as many years, agreeing Tuesday to play for the Minnesota Vikings.

The deal is worth between $10 million to $12 million, according to ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

The Vikings made it official with a news release early Tuesday afternoon. A news conference to introduce Favre is scheduled for 6 p.m. ET.

The first inkling that something was afoot came early Tuesday, when two television stations in Hattiesburg, Miss., and Minneapolis reported that the Vikings had sent a private plane to Hattiesburg to pick up Favre.

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Favre and his wife, Deanna, arrived to cheering fans outside the team's practice facility and the quarterback was in a helmet and pads less than 90 minutes later. His red practice jersey was the familiar No. 4, the same number he wore for years with his now-rival Green Bay Packers.

Coach Brad Childress, who greeted the Favres at the airport, had confirmed the planned meeting in an early Tuesday e-mail to The Associated Press. Asked if the plan was to sign Favre, Childress replied: "In a perfect world."

Childress' wish came true shortly afterward, when the Vikings announced the signing.

The day's developments and Favre's arrival were a surreal tableau, with a throng of fans who somehow learned early on of Favre's deal with the Vikings and ran alongside the SUV as it arrived at the Vikings' practice site from the airport, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune, with a lone police officer trying to maintain order.

ESPN analyst Cris Carter reported that Childress already has told the Vikings that Favre would be starting in Friday night's preseason game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on August 19, 2009, 03:42:22 PM
Any comment from the American sports fans on here about Favre's return? To my mind it's farcical that teams are allowing themesleves to be dictated to by him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 19, 2009, 04:56:04 PM
I agree its a bit of a joke.  He is a great footballer don't get me wrong.  He takes risks, he throws some crazy passes but he also makes things happen that very few other QB's can. 
Can he do good things at the Vikings?  YES
Does he deserve a 2 year $2.5 million contract?  NO
Is he better than Jackson even at 50? YES
Can they go all the way to the Superbowl with Farve? HELL YEAH
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 19, 2009, 05:30:59 PM
The Vikes are no better off with him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 19, 2009, 06:19:01 PM
what are you talking about gabe?
they have a solid team - they just lacked a QB.
He is the answer to their problems - watch and see
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 19, 2009, 06:58:35 PM
I think the purple people eaters must be one of the NFC favourites this year. It should be a great NFC playoffs if the likes of the Vikings, Eagles, Saints, Cardinals, Giants, etc etc can get in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 19, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
They got to be one of the favourites, with the number 1 run offence in the league things should be pretty open for Farve to throw.  Also think he is trying to get at the Packers in some way, dont think things between them is to rosie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on August 19, 2009, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: MaroonAndWhite on August 18, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 18, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
Favre to the Vikings is back on. He is expected to sign today. Vikings for the superbowl.

Ah jaysus, not this again  :D Thats one attention hungry man.....

Anyone have any news on how Sky Sports negotiation re new season in NFL is going? If the NFL's going/gone, Im getting rid of Sky as Ive no interest in premiership football......

Favre is a ballix, he has lost a lot of support here in Green Bay and it is a City divided, the sport talk radio station in town has been inundated with callers supporting him but mostly hammering on him, people are throwing out their favre jerseys and some even hope he gets his legs broken.

As for me, I dont pay any attention to him and hope he fails miserably and I am not even a packer fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 19, 2009, 08:18:49 PM
Quote from: stew on August 19, 2009, 07:27:07 PM
Quote from: MaroonAndWhite on August 18, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 18, 2009, 06:47:15 PM
Favre to the Vikings is back on. He is expected to sign today. Vikings for the superbowl.

Ah jaysus, not this again  :D Thats one attention hungry man.....

Anyone have any news on how Sky Sports negotiation re new season in NFL is going? If the NFL's going/gone, Im getting rid of Sky as Ive no interest in premiership football......

Favre is a ballix, he has lost a lot of support here in Green Bay and it is a City divided, the sport talk radio station in town has been inundated with callers supporting him but mostly hammering on him, people are throwing out their favre jerseys and some even hope he gets his legs broken.

As for me, I dont pay any attention to him and hope he fails miserably and I am not even a packer fan.

why do you hope he fails miserably stew? he's definately over the hill but the guy is a legend and if the viking fans can have a year of watching him, lucky them... as for the cheese heads throwing out their jerseys, pity them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 19, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
I don't think he'll do much better than he did with Jets. By December his arm/shoulder will be playing up or something. They have more talent aright but Favre is far from dependable. If he makes me eat my words so be it, but I doubt it. His last hurrah was 2 years ago, but I don't mind, it will be interesting to see him line out against the Packers for what its worth. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 19, 2009, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on August 19, 2009, 06:19:01 PM
what are you talking about gabe?
they have a solid team - they just lacked a QB.
He is the answer to their problems - watch and see

What was wrong with T-Jack and Sage?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 19, 2009, 11:57:53 PM
Its good for the game folks.

Tavaris Jackson isnt a great quarterback at all IMO

RAT YDS TD
95.4 1,056 9

compared to Favre with his dogdy shoulder

81 3,472 22

Brett gets a guaranteed 6 million dollars even if the vikings cut him before the season starts, or if his shoulder breaks down. 6 million just for getting on the plane.

By all accounts it was Brad Childress who instigated the issue again with Favre, so I dont know how much he had to do with it.

im looking forward to seeing him in action for 2 more years!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2009, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 19, 2009, 11:57:53 PMTavaris Jackson isnt a great quarterback at all IMO

RAT YDS TD
95.4 1,056 9

compared to Favre with his dogdy shoulder

81 3,472 22

One played 9 games - one played 16
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on August 20, 2009, 12:06:07 AM
See! Old man Favre can stick the pace!

Seriously, Jackson didnt get benched for being the best option for the vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 20, 2009, 01:10:06 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2009, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 19, 2009, 11:57:53 PMTavaris Jackson isnt a great quarterback at all IMO

RAT YDS TD
95.4 1,056 9

compared to Favre with his dogdy shoulder

81 3,472 22

One played 9 games - one played 16

Jacson is woeful at wuarteback for the Vikings. Did you see him in the playoff game against the Eagles last year. 125 yards in 4 quarters and a pick 6 as well is just not good enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2009, 01:11:37 AM
Did you see Favre in the play-offs last year???

Oh wait ................
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 20, 2009, 04:34:36 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on August 20, 2009, 12:06:07 AM
See! Old man Favre can stick the pace!

Seriously, Jackson didnt get benched for being the best option for the vikings.

Exactly.  Jackson is not smart enough to be a QB.  He has all the athletic ability in the world but he doesn't have it upstairs.  He has a good arm and a good scramble but he can't knit it all together. 
Sage is a great backup QB - but thats all I would merit him with at this point in his career.  He hasn't started enough to prove himself under serious pressure at this stage but this will be the perfect apprenticeship for him under Favre.  He will continue to be a great backup and put some numbers on the board and when Favre hangs up the shirt (again) Sage is their man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 20, 2009, 09:04:48 PM
espn and espn america now available on choras. . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2009, 10:39:11 PM
Plax takes 2 years in prison for shooting himself
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on August 20, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Any Thug that's stupid enough to shoot himself should get at least twice that :D
Yet another cop out within the courts system for our elite Role models ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2009, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 20, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Any Thug that's stupid enough to shoot himself should get at least twice that :D
Yet another cop out within the courts system for our elite Role models ::)

What's your opinion on Donte Stallworth's "sentence"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 21, 2009, 12:08:56 AM
The Plax sentence is a bit harsh. This is America don't forget where you are allowed carry concealed weapons with you if you have a permit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on August 21, 2009, 03:42:07 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2009, 11:20:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 20, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
Any Thug that's stupid enough to shoot himself should get at least twice that :D
Yet another cop out within the courts system for our elite Role models ::)

What's your opinion on Donte Stallworth's "sentence"?

Believe it or not words escape me on that one  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on August 21, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on August 20, 2009, 04:34:36 PMHe hasn't started enough to prove himself under serious pressure at this stage but this will be the perfect apprenticeship for him under Favre.

Who in their right mind would want to be an apprentice to Favre? If he ever did jack it in voluntarily you'd have to put up with your every move being compared to the great gunslinger.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on August 27, 2009, 08:23:52 PM
Courtesy on NFLUK.com. Its concerning......the old Sky subscription is fast looking like an unnecessary expense if the NFL goes  :(

Five to show Sunday Night Football

25 August 2009 12:04 PM - Henry Hodgson

Related:  National Football League NFL UK will continue their relationship with Five for the twelfth consecutive year after the two sides came to an agreement to show Sunday Night Football live in the UK.
Five will air Sunday Night Football for seventeen weeks, starting from Sunday September 13th, when their coverage of the 2009 NFL season begins with the clash between the Chicago Bears and Green Bay Packers. Coverage on Five will begin at approximately 1:00am each Sunday night.
Heading up Five's coverage of the games in the studio for the third consecutive year will be Mike Carlson and Nat Coombs.  The live game commentary will be taken from NBC's coverage from the USA, with Al Michaels and Cris Collinsworth voicing the action.
"We are thrilled to be working with Five for a twelfth consecutive season, and I know that Mike and Nat's NFL presentation is popular with NFL UK fans," said NFL UK Managing Director Alistair Kirkwood. "Five give us the opportunity to get wide-spread coverage for our sport ahead of a third consecutive NFL regular season game at Wembley."
"I'm really excited to be back on Five," said Five NFL presenter Mike Carlson. "For the past 11 seasons we have tried to provide a different approach to the NFL season and give our audience an in-depth analysis of the live games we are covering and a bit of relaxed entertainment. It's going to be great to work with Nat again."
Further details of NFL TV coverage in the UK will be released in the coming days.
A list of confirmed Sunday Night Football fixtures is below.  Sunday Night Football fixtures between Weeks 11-16 are subject to change.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 27, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
Has there been talk that Sky won't have rights to the NFL this year Maroon and White?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MaroonAndWhite on August 27, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2009, 08:29:17 PM
Has there been talk that Sky won't have rights to the NFL this year Maroon and White?

In negotiations still apparently. Given that kick-off is only two weeks away tonight, im getting a bit shifty. I had been under the impression that the deal with NFL ran to 2011 but obviously not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on August 27, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
with gaa finishing up i will cry if sky dont show the nfl. . i can put up with about 1 premiership game a week but then i need something else
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 27, 2009, 09:19:33 PM
Its peculiar that they keep showing NFL - Total Access most days if they have no deal yet to show the upcoming season. Will be devastated if they dont get it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 10, 2009, 05:48:16 PM
Derek Jeter ties Lou Gehrig last night for most hits by a New York Yankee. Even though I hate them  ;) - you can't help but admire the man for his baseball skills
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 10, 2009, 07:24:21 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 21, 2009, 12:08:56 AM
The Plax sentence is a bit harsh. This is America don't forget where you are allowed carry concealed weapons with you if you have a permit.

You have to be intelligent enough however to actually go get a feckin permit, he didnt and is doing a stretch because of it. What an idiot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 10, 2009, 07:35:48 PM
Going for a snooze now, will get up at 12 and make the dinner and sit down and watch TItans @ Steelers. Hard to tell who'll win this one. Anyway great that the NFL is back on the box. C'mon Falcons!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on September 11, 2009, 06:16:21 AM
Great game tonight..steelers win 13-10 in OT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on September 11, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
I hate the layout of the new nfl.com match tracker. It won't update at all on IE6.0 for me but will on firefox. Why did they change it from last year's one, it was perfect!

Highlights of Titans/Steelers should be good to watch. Big Ben 2 interceptions and they still win!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 11, 2009, 10:47:22 AM
Good game. Polumalu was having a great game *appart from the flags* before he got injured *!!Madden Curse!!* . His one-handed interception, or tackling Johnson in the backfield was brilliant.

Steelers really need to do something about their running game, if they could find another Bettis, or someone like Jacobs or Michael Turner to run between the tackles and have Parker to run outside. If they dont, Parker wont be able walk by December. Or just stop running the ball.

Hines Ward though, surprised to see him lose the ball the way he did. A bit reckless. But he wont make tat mistake again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 11, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 11, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
I hate the layout of the new nfl.com match tracker. It won't update at all on IE6.0 for me but will on firefox. Why did they change it from last year's one, it was perfect!

Highlights of Titans/Steelers should be good to watch. Big Ben 2 interceptions and they still win!!

I haven't used it yet but I worried about the change as I found it good beforehand. If it aint broke.....

Is the Bears/Packers game on Five or will Sky have it? Made it my business to tune Five into my "Other Channels" last night just in case.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 11, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
I hate the layout of the new nfl.com match tracker. It won't update at all on IE6.0 for me but will on firefox. Why did they change it from last year's one, it was perfect!

Highlights of Titans/Steelers should be good to watch. Big Ben 2 interceptions and they still win!!

I haven't used it yet but I worried about the change as I found it good beforehand. If it aint broke.....

Is the Bears/Packers game on Five or will Sky have it? Made it my businedd to une Five into my "Other Channels" last night just in case.

Chicago v Green Bay is on Five.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 11, 2009, 02:36:54 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 11, 2009, 10:47:22 AM

Steelers really need to do something about their running game, if they could find another Bettis, or someone like Jacobs or Michael Turner to run between the tackles and have Parker to run outside. If they dont, Parker wont be able walk by December. Or just stop running the ball.

I wonder is it their run game or their offensive line? Big Ben gets battered around the place every game and only he is such a good scramler, he would be in A&E every weekend. I really thought Mendenhall would be good this year, so much so that I picked him up in one of my fantasy leagues. I still think he could be good with a O line ahead of him. At the moment though, it seems Tomlin doesn't have much time for him.
Bold prediction - the Steelers don't make the play-offs this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on September 12, 2009, 05:58:16 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-jordanhall091209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Sounds about right having met him on a couple of occasions ::)
The best at what he did no question but as a person..........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 12, 2009, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 11, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
I hate the layout of the new nfl.com match tracker. It won't update at all on IE6.0 for me but will on firefox. Why did they change it from last year's one, it was perfect!

Highlights of Titans/Steelers should be good to watch. Big Ben 2 interceptions and they still win!!

I haven't used it yet but I worried about the change as I found it good beforehand. If it aint broke.....

Is the Bears/Packers game on Five or will Sky have it? Made it my businedd to une Five into my "Other Channels" last night just in case.

Chicago v Green Bay is on Five.

I have a ticket to this tomorrow night but cant be arsed, I am going to watch it in the comfort of me own home and then after a good nights kip I get to play a round at the venue of next years PGA championship.  ;D

Green bay to win 28-17 and me to shoot 87. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 12, 2009, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on September 12, 2009, 05:58:16 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-jordanhall091209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Sounds about right having met him on a couple of occasions ::)
The best at what he did no question but as a person..........

Read a book by a basketball journalist "When nothing else matters" that followed him for a year or two when he was with the Wizards, if you are a big fan dont read it ! Comes across as a total c**k
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 12, 2009, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: stew on September 12, 2009, 08:50:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2009, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 11, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
I hate the layout of the new nfl.com match tracker. It won't update at all on IE6.0 for me but will on firefox. Why did they change it from last year's one, it was perfect!

Highlights of Titans/Steelers should be good to watch. Big Ben 2 interceptions and they still win!!

I haven't used it yet but I worried about the change as I found it good beforehand. If it aint broke.....

Is the Bears/Packers game on Five or will Sky have it? Made it my businedd to une Five into my "Other Channels" last night just in case.

Chicago v Green Bay is on Five.

I have a ticket to this tomorrow night but cant be arsed, I am going to watch it in the comfort of me own home and then after a good nights kip I get to play a round at the venue of next years PGA championship.  ;D

Green bay to win 28-17 and me to shoot 87. ;D

You have a ticket to the Bears at the packers and you aren't going to use it. Are you a fan of either team?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 12, 2009, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Bod Mor on September 11, 2009, 06:42:56 AM
I hate the layout of the new nfl.com match tracker. It won't update at all on IE6.0 for me but will on firefox. Why did they change it from last year's one, it was perfect!

Highlights of Titans/Steelers should be good to watch. Big Ben 2 interceptions and they still win!!

Tell me about it, it was  a great system last year, now it doesn't make anys sense. All the game stats are on another page that you have to click on. WHY?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 13, 2009, 10:34:54 PM
Giants are looking like contenders. Falcons chances have greatly improved as the Panthers are looking abysmal. Good win against the Dolphins today though Turner didn't get going at all though. Gonzales making an impact already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 14, 2009, 12:35:42 AM
In case anyone was wondering about getting it, I got NFL Gamepass,for one week to try it out, and its really good. You can choose any game and flick back between them at will.

All the games are available to watch at any time once they are over too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 14, 2009, 03:36:53 AM
280 dollars for a 16 game season seems like a lot to me. Watching games on the internet is not as good as watching them on tv. There is also the risk of the internet crashing as well. Also on my mobile internet I would go over my monthly gigabyte limit and start paying through the nose for that as well. Justin tv and associated websites will be enough for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 14, 2009, 09:33:23 AM
great win for the 49ers at arizona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 14, 2009, 09:39:14 AM
Disgusted that da Bears threw that one away and in such an un-Bears like way. Never ran the ball at all in the first half. As for that "fake punt" or should I say rush of blood to the long snappers head - ridiculous.

So what did we learn for a Bears pov? 1. Defense is better than last year on this showing. A good pass rush at last though the blight of injuries hovers again. 2. Forte looks good again. Will get a lot of yards again. 3. Passing game is a lot better but still in need of lots of work. Felt a little sorry for Cutler with the way that his receivers let him down at times. 4 ints is a bad stat but he showed his class in the second half to turn things around. 5. Liked the look of Knox & Bennett and Hester is still improving but the receivers need to improve.

Not many will go to Lambeau and win but make no mistake - this was an opportunity lost for the Bears.

The host on Five will take a bit of getting used to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 14, 2009, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 14, 2009, 09:33:23 AM
great win for the 49ers at arizona.

Brutal start for the Cards. The seahawks had a strong win as well, so that's going to be a big blow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 14, 2009, 09:54:09 AM

280 dollars for a 16 game season seems like a lot to me. Watching games on the internet is not as good as watching them on tv. There is also the risk of the internet crashing as well. Also on my mobile internet I would go over my monthly gigabyte limit and start paying through the nose for that as well. Justin tv and associated websites will be enough for me. (//http://)

that's what I said originally but Justin TV, p2p4u, and myp2p were an unmitigated disaster to start with, and the NFL had most of the feeds shut down by the end of the first Half of the 6 o'clock game. I just go to full screen mode on my laptop and connect it to the ould flat screen with a HDMI cable. Don't have sky at the moment so I've little choice, but it's great being able to switch games and watch them back after if you missed anything. E.g tonight after Coldplay I'm gonna watch the Pats, and since I'm off tomorrow I'll watch San Diego in the morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 14, 2009, 11:02:13 AM
Does anyone give the raiders a chance this year? All we have is memories of marcus allen to keep our spirits up. Big year for jamarcus now and if our somewhat reluctant new recruit can improve our rush d we may cause a few upsets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 14, 2009, 12:33:32 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 14, 2009, 11:02:13 AM
Does anyone give the raiders a chance this year?

Al Davis.

Seriously though unless Heyward Bey turns out to be a great first year wide receiver I do not think they have much scope for improvement. They do have an easy enough division so you never know, 8-8 won the division last year and Seymour will help the defensive line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 14, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
I wouldn't be too quick to get into bed with NFL Gamepass as loads of UK viewers had no end of problems with it yesterday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 14, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 14, 2009, 09:39:14 AM
Disgusted that da Bears threw that one away and in such an un-Bears like way. Never ran the ball at all in the first half. As for that "fake punt" or should I say rush of blood to the long snappers head - ridiculous.

So what did we learn for a Bears pov? 1. Defense is better than last year on this showing. A good pass rush at last though the blight of injuries hovers again. 2. Forte looks good again. Will get a lot of yards again. 3. Passing game is a lot better but still in need of lots of work. Felt a little sorry for Cutler with the way that his receivers let him down at times. 4 ints is a bad stat but he showed his class in the second half to turn things around. 5. Liked the look of Knox & Bennett and Hester is still improving but the receivers need to improve.

Not many will go to Lambeau and win but make no mistake - this was an opportunity lost for the Bears.

The host on Five will take a bit of getting used to.

Urlacher out for the year with a dislocated wrist >:(

The long snapper should have snapped the ball with the 12 men on the field to get the 5 yard penalty, although Wolfe should have paid more attention.

The WRs need to finish running their routes and bring back stickum.

The offense needs to run to setup the pass!!!!!

Still only one loss, many games ahead to make the playoffs.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2009, 11:29:49 AM
Why have Sky no red button option games this season and why do they pick shit games to show? Tampa Bay @ Buffalo is the most uninteresting of the late games next Sunday but its the one they have on. Should have been Pitt @ Chicago or Ravens @ San Diego.

DrinkingHarp - agree with all that but that loss could be the difference between making and missing the playoffs right there. Very unfortunate about Urlacher. He has played hurt the last two years and when he finally looks back to his mean best bang and out for the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2009, 11:40:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 16, 2009, 11:29:49 AM
Why have Sky no red button option games this season and why do they pick shit games to show? Tampa Bay @ Buffalo is the most uninteresting of the late games next Sunday but its the one they have on. Should have been Pitt @ Chicago or Ravens @ San Diego.

DrinkingHarp - agree with all that but that loss could be the difference between making and missing the playoffs right there. Very unfortunate about Urlacher. He has played hurt the last two years and when he finally looks back to his mean best bang and out for the season.

Part of the new Sky deal that was only negotiated a few days before the season started, basically Sky and the NFL were playing hardball and SKY would not pay up for the extra games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 16, 2009, 02:17:54 PM
Any Jets fans on here? Gotta be happy with the performance the last day. Really excited about Sanchez now. I know it is his first game but he was under pressure at times and dealt with it very well. The running game looks to be just as good as last year and the defence seems to have improved to a huge degree. Can't helped but get psyched for Jets' prospects.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 16, 2009, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 16, 2009, 11:29:49 AM
Why have Sky no red button option games this season and why do they pick shit games to show? Tampa Bay @ Buffalo is the most uninteresting of the late games next Sunday but its the one they have on. Should have been Pitt @ Chicago or Ravens @ San Diego.

DrinkingHarp - agree with all that but that loss could be the difference between making and missing the playoffs right there. Very unfortunate about Urlacher. He has played hurt the last two years and when he finally looks back to his mean best bang and out for the season.

Yea, there will probably be a pile of Tampa matches shown to help build up to the Wembley match. It was the same the year the Dolphins were going badly but were shown nearly every weeek
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 16, 2009, 04:24:11 PM
I've a question on NFL rules.

OK - the scenario is, a team is punting the ball and the receiving team are lined up with their punt returner lying on the 20 yard line to collect the punt. The punt goes shorter than expected to say the 30 yard line and it looks like it's going to bounce and spin over the returner's head. The punt returner loses his footing and the ball will probably end up on the 1 or 2 yard line so rather than take the chance, the punt returner (before falling over) buries it with a kick and horses it back up the far end of the pitch. Is this ruled a fumble or what is the ruling here?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on September 16, 2009, 04:38:20 PM
Turk the situation outlined would be ruled a fumble. Same as if the returner spills the ball. Should the ball end up on the one or two yard line the the punt returner is unlikely to touch it if he had slipped. The return team take over from where the ball came to rest or was downed by the punting team.

The current Sky listing are available at this link.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12949,00.html

Sky will try and show all 32 teams not necessarily the best games each weekend. As a Dolphins fan if we don't get some offence going quickly we could struggle this season. The performance on Sunday was abysmal, from the offence particularly. Another two or three performances like that and there'll be calls to bring in Chad Henne for Pennington and with one of the best paid offensive lines in the NFL their level of performance needs to be upped considerably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2009, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: turk on September 16, 2009, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 16, 2009, 11:29:49 AM
Why have Sky no red button option games this season and why do they pick shit games to show? Tampa Bay @ Buffalo is the most uninteresting of the late games next Sunday but its the one they have on. Should have been Pitt @ Chicago or Ravens @ San Diego.

DrinkingHarp - agree with all that but that loss could be the difference between making and missing the playoffs right there. Very unfortunate about Urlacher. He has played hurt the last two years and when he finally looks back to his mean best bang and out for the season.

Yea, there will probably be a pile of Tampa matches shown to help build up to the Wembley match. It was the same the year the Dolphins were going badly but were shown nearly every weeek

Glazer scum!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 18, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
Thanks barelegs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 18, 2009, 07:21:47 PM
No more f*cking NFL Total Access on Sky Sports by the look of it..............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 18, 2009, 07:27:32 PM
Total Access was on at 5pm today was it not??

Thinking of doing an accumulator on Vikings, Titans, Redskins, Steelers and Colts. £20 will get you £100
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 18, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 18, 2009, 07:27:32 PM
Total Access was on at 5pm today was it not??

Thinking of doing an accumulator on Vikings, Titans, Redskins, Steelers and Colts. £20 will get you £100

It is still showing on Sky guide but there is an issue in the UK, with OFCOM in particular, with product placement and oarts of the show being sponsored. You know the way every section of it is sponsored by someone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 18, 2009, 09:53:16 PM
Well it used to be an everyday show and then OFCOM harped up and got it reduced. Pity really. I dont know why they would have a problem with it, its not like we can buy anything from nearly all of the companies they advertise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 18, 2009, 09:56:45 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 18, 2009, 09:53:16 PM
Well it used to be an everyday show and then OFCOM harped up and got it reduced. Pity really. I dont know why they would have a problem with it, its not like we can buy anything from nearly all of the companies they advertise.

Thats exactly what i thought, hopefully with the relaxation in product placement that is being introduced in the UK will allow it to be shown. I read that Sky only know the morning of the day the show is being shown if they are canning it or not, dependent on how blatant the advertising/product placement etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 20, 2009, 09:23:46 PM
Glad I didnt put money on the games this weekend. Texans beating Titans, Jets beat Pats, Bengals beating Packers, Saints destroy Philli, Atlanta trying to hold onto an 8 point lead with 1:30 left
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
Go Bears. Great result.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 21, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
was some night of games. Surprised the Bears won, Steelers looking ordinary. Was Polumaulu playing? Steelers kicker will probably lose his job.

Giants looking the strongest. Saints could be big contenders this year. Phili will be a much different team next week if with Vick, and whenever McNabb gets back, not that Kolb was so bad.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2009, 01:46:45 PM
Polamalu didn't play from what I read. Think he could be out for a couple more weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 21, 2009, 01:49:40 PM
Another good win for the 49ers, hopefully they can get another win on the road at the vikings next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 21, 2009, 01:53:51 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 21, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
was some night of games. Surprised the Bears won, Steelers looking ordinary. Was Polumaulu playing? Steelers kicker will probably lose his job.

Giants looking the strongest. Saints could be big contenders this year. Phili will be a much different team next week if with Vick, and whenever McNabb gets back, not that Kolb was so bad.
Quote from: thejuice on September 21, 2009, 01:41:26 PM
was some night of games. Surprised the Bears won, Steelers looking ordinary. Was Polumaulu playing? Steelers kicker will probably lose his job.

Giants looking the strongest. Saints could be big contenders this year. Phili will be a much different team next week if with Vick, and whenever McNabb gets back, not that Kolb was so bad.

Polamolu will be out for a few weeks, Saints will need a bit of a running game to go all the way. Just shows you how much stock you can put in the NFL draft, Marques Colston was either a 7th round pick or undrafted, not sure which. He is one of the best receivers in the NFL. I see NFL Gameday has been canned today, for the same reason Total Access kept getting pulled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2009, 02:29:24 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 21, 2009, 01:49:40 PM
Another good win for the 49ers, hopefully they can get another win on the road at the vikings next week.

I second that! Singletary doing very well as coach. Like the cut of his jib.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 22, 2009, 04:03:21 PM
Life changing day for two former NFL stars

plaxico starts a 2 year sentence today while Hershel Walker signs with a MMA outfit.

In other news, last nights game was a cracker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 22, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
Morale boosting win for the raiders but stats for JaM look awful. Media in us seem v quick to rubbish him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 22, 2009, 04:32:26 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 22, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
Morale boosting win for the raiders but stats for JaM look awful. Media in us seem v quick to rubbish him.

Any #1 pick that does not produce will get a hard time of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 22, 2009, 04:37:24 PM
He may be the most inaccurate quarterback in the league. Even little dump passes against the pass rush and he couldn't hit his man.
He was shocking in the first half of that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 27, 2009, 09:23:58 PM
Vikings beat 49ers 27-24. Farve throws 32 yard touchdown with 12 second remaining >:(. Lions beat redskins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on September 27, 2009, 09:27:05 PM
yankees just 2 innings from 100 wins this season ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 28, 2009, 10:40:19 AM
Bengals beat the Steelers! thats a bit of a surprise, maybe the Bengals are finally coming around. Falcons seemed to really struggle on both sides of the ball yesterday. Pats and Brady were far from their best but still moved the ball very easily. Michael Turner is nowhere near the form of last year, but we also seem to have limited our options in the running game, why havent they thrown Norwood in there to change things up a bit like last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 28, 2009, 11:05:57 AM
A very shaky win for da Bears against a ramshackle Seahawks but a win is a win. Some crazy mistakes on both sides. Two missed fg's for Seattle a killer for them. 3 TD passes for Cutler. Running game still not there though. An awful pity the Vikings didn't get beaten. That was some TD pass by Favre at the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 28, 2009, 09:26:56 PM
That was a very sweet victory for us vikings fans. The Bears were also lucky to scrape home against a weakened Seattle team. 

What is wrong with the Steelers, losing against the Bengals is not acceptable for super bowl chmpions?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 28, 2009, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 27, 2009, 09:23:58 PM
Vikings beat 49ers 27-24. Farve throws 32 yard touchdown with 12 second remaining >:(. Lions beat redskins

Favre is ket, he will let them down in the playoffs, he is the most over-rated player in the history of the world. he almost threw a pick that my granny would have caught with a minute remaining, that would have been game over, instead he gets the attention he desperately needs, I cant stand the bastid.

I am no Packer fan but I hope they bate lumps out of the viqueens next week, you just cant like the vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 29, 2009, 10:37:57 AM
Stew,
that sounds very very bitter!!!
273 consecutive starts, and favres last gasp td pass?

Remember in 03 the night after his father died when he destroyed Oakland by himself?
Did you watch him tearing downfield to throw blocks on Sunday?

Over-rated? You must be kidding stew. The man is everything, has won everything, and still plays with his heart. He just has the smarts to get paid for it as he turns 40...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 29, 2009, 11:04:34 AM
He has also thrown over 300 interceptions, and that cannot all be attributed to playing on shit teams.   
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2009, 06:20:05 PM
Farve vs Green Bay Monday night should be fun.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 04, 2009, 06:29:14 PM
Flacco with a great TD there. dirty low hit on the receiver in the air though. might be a fine for it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 04, 2009, 06:42:13 PM
Watching Giants Cheifs, after great start by the Giants and Manning, they turned the ball over twice and got sloppy, Giants lead 7-3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 04, 2009, 07:18:26 PM
neck injury to Ravens LT,  didn't look that bad, but just goes to show how easy it can happen
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 05, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
Lads I heard the Packers/Vikings match is on Channel 5.

Does anyone know how to get C5 on the Sky Box, I'm not very technical so any help would be good!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 05, 2009, 03:28:42 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on October 05, 2009, 02:59:49 PM
Lads I heard the Packers/Vikings match is on Channel 5.

Does anyone know how to get C5 on the Sky Box, I'm not very technical so any help would be good!

Go into services I think and select Add Channel.

Enter the following

Enter the following Details

10.773
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22
5/6

Enter Add Channel

Press yellow button to Store
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 05, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
Thanks GBB got that sorted.  But looks like I was wrong, dont think the game is on tv.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 05, 2009, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on October 05, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
Thanks GBB got that sorted.  But looks like I was wrong, dont think the game is on tv.

There is no facility for watching MNF this year folks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 05, 2009, 04:40:01 PM
Good if somewhat expected win for da Bears against an improving Detroit. Still a bit worried about many aspects but great to have a QB at last. First time since the AFL/NFL merger that a Bears QB has registered a passer rating of greater that 100 in three games in a row. D was ridden early but came back well with 5 sacks and 2 takeaways and special teams annihilated their opposition. Forte broke a couple of runs but still a bit of concern over that O-line. Anyway - a Green Bay win tonight will square up what looks likely to be a very tight division.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 05, 2009, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 05, 2009, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on October 05, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
Thanks GBB got that sorted.  But looks like I was wrong, dont think the game is on tv.

There is no facility for watching MNF this year folks.

Try this

http://espn.go.com/nfl/mnf

or

http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/index


or Justin tv

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 05, 2009, 07:57:37 PM
Or pony up for gamepass. 3 games worth of uninterupted HD football for me last night, pats v ravens, saints v jets, and steelers v chargers.

Phillip Rivers, by the way is fast becoming a genius of some sort. Some second half last night, if the D-line could just stop the run...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 06, 2009, 05:10:16 AM
Well stew? Any thoughts in green bay on favres masterclass tonight?

Great to see the man playing that well. He loves football, plain and simple!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 06, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
Jared Allen is a MAN.

I'd go as far as to say he had more say in the win than Favre. 4.5 sacks!

No wonder Aaron Rodgers is starting to look skitish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 06, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 06, 2009, 05:10:16 AM
Well stew? Any thoughts in green bay on favres masterclass tonight?

Great to see the man playing that well. He loves football, plain and simple!

As much as he loves himself? He's clearly a great player but this on-off retirement lark is a form of Munchausen syndrome
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 06, 2009, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 06, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
Jared Allen is a MAN.

I'd go as far as to say he had more say in the win than Favre. 4.5 sacks!

No wonder Aaron Rodgers is starting to look skitish.

that may be so but farve is THE MAN. first q/b to beat all 32 nfl teams. . . hes a God and deserves all he gets out of football
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 06, 2009, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 06, 2009, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 06, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
Jared Allen is a MAN.

I'd go as far as to say he had more say in the win than Favre. 4.5 sacks!

No wonder Aaron Rodgers is starting to look skitish.

that may be so but farve is THE MAN. first q/b to beat all 32 nfl teams. . . hes a God and deserves all he gets out of football

He has probably thrown picks against every team in the NFL too !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 06, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
nope- yesterday was his first game against the Packers, and no picks...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 06, 2009, 09:52:19 PM
Last nights game was Favres last game in his 30s. He's thrown 254 td passes in his 30s. That's more (or tied with) some guy who is presently 12th in all time td passes thrown.

The fecker just runs around with a smile on his face ( I would too, with 6$million guaranteed for this season) but to those who say it's about the money for the man, check out his block last week against the 9ers when he beat most of his offensive line down field to hurtle himself at the opposition to gain a few extra yards.

The NFL is better for having had this guy for as long as they have, and if he stays healthy, they have a shot.

Jared Allen is a bona fide freak of nature.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 06, 2009, 10:06:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 06, 2009, 09:42:46 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 06, 2009, 09:30:53 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 06, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
Jared Allen is a MAN.

I'd go as far as to say he had more say in the win than Favre. 4.5 sacks!

No wonder Aaron Rodgers is starting to look skitish.

that may be so but farve is THE MAN. first q/b to beat all 32 nfl teams. . . hes a God and deserves all he gets out of football

He has probably thrown picks against every team in the NFL too !

that like saying michelangelo splashed some paint, course he did but look at the picture that came out ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 06, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Jared Allen is brilliant alright, and like Favre seems to be a good character as well. Favre was on flying form, whether he'd admit it or not I;d say he felt he had a point to prove to the Packers as well. Rodgers is a good QB but he has a long way to go yet to be up there with the likes of Rivers, Brees, I'd even have Joe Flacco ahead of him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 06, 2009, 10:20:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 06, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Jared Allen is brilliant alright, and like Favre seems to be a good character as well. Favre was on flying form, whether he'd admit it or not I;d say he felt he had a point to prove to the Packers as well. Rodgers is a good QB but he has a long way to go yet to be up there with the likes of Rivers, Brees, I'd even have Joe Flacco ahead of him.

Rivers is having a great season. IMHO opinion Manning is streets ahead of anyone. Regardless of who he is throwing it too he absolutley shreds a defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2009, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 06, 2009, 10:20:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 06, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Jared Allen is brilliant alright, and like Favre seems to be a good character as well. Favre was on flying form, whether he'd admit it or not I;d say he felt he had a point to prove to the Packers as well. Rodgers is a good QB but he has a long way to go yet to be up there with the likes of Rivers, Brees, I'd even have Joe Flacco ahead of him.

Rivers is having a great season. IMHO opinion Manning is streets ahead of anyone. Regardless of who he is throwing it too he absolutley shreds a defence.

which one?  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 06, 2009, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2009, 10:26:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 06, 2009, 10:20:23 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 06, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
Jared Allen is brilliant alright, and like Favre seems to be a good character as well. Favre was on flying form, whether he'd admit it or not I;d say he felt he had a point to prove to the Packers as well. Rodgers is a good QB but he has a long way to go yet to be up there with the likes of Rivers, Brees, I'd even have Joe Flacco ahead of him.

Rivers is having a great season. IMHO opinion Manning is streets ahead of anyone. Regardless of who he is throwing it too he absolutley shreds a defence.

which one?  ;)

I think everyone knows what one !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 06, 2009, 10:29:52 PM
Yeah, Peyton Manning you could argue to be the best, I don't think Rodgers will ever be that good. However this year like last year, Drew Brees for me is the best in the league.

Funny stuff here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmMLBiXQY7g&feature=channel
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 07, 2009, 06:02:04 AM
Yea theres a few of them on here at the minute...ver funny
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
Crabtree has finally signed for the Niners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
Crabtree has finally signed for the Niners.

What was the deal there anyways? He was number 1 draft pick for them right? Was he holding out for a better contract or what?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
Crabtree has finally signed for the Niners.

What was the deal there anyways? He was number 1 draft pick for them right? Was he holding out for a better contract or what?

He was selected #10 ( he was expected to go about #5). Basically he thinks because he should have gone lower in the draft and wanted money comparable with a top 5 draft pick. Even though he had never played a down in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 05, 2009, 07:57:37 PM
Or pony up for gamepass. 3 games worth of uninterupted HD football for me last night, pats v ravens, saints v jets, and steelers v chargers.

Phillip Rivers, by the way is fast becoming a genius of some sort. Some second half last night, if the D-line could just stop the run...

As a Chargers fan i had high hopes this season with Merriman coming back in but with Jamal Williams and Hardwick out for a fair bit, can't see much happening...8-8 at best. Shocked at how well Broncos are playing...acid test against Pats coming up this wkend though, first time ever i'll be shouting for the Pats!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
Crabtree has finally signed for the Niners.

What was the deal there anyways? He was number 1 draft pick for them right? Was he holding out for a better contract or what?

He was selected #10 ( he was expected to go about #5). Basically he thinks because he should have gone lower in the draft and wanted money comparable with a top 5 draft pick. Even though he had never played a down in the NFL.

Sound!! So basically he's a cocky money grabbing pri*k
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:17:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2009, 12:06:10 PM
Crabtree has finally signed for the Niners.





What was the deal there anyways? He was number 1 draft pick for them right? Was he holding out for a better contract or what?

He was selected #10 ( he was expected to go about #5).









Basically he thinks because he should have gone lower in the draft and wanted money comparable with a top 5 draft pick. Even though he had never played a down in the NFL.

Sound!! So basically he's a cocky money grabbing pri*k




That's about the height of it, I would say he has a quare entourage "advising" him too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 07, 2009, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 05, 2009, 07:57:37 PM
Or pony up for gamepass. 3 games worth of uninterupted HD football for me last night, pats v ravens, saints v jets, and steelers v chargers.

Phillip Rivers, by the way is fast becoming a genius of some sort. Some second half last night, if the D-line could just stop the run...

As a Chargers fan i had high hopes this season with Merriman coming back in but with Jamal Williams and Hardwick out for a fair bit, can't see much happening...8-8 at best. Shocked at how well Broncos are playing...acid test against Pats coming up this wkend though, first time ever i'll be shouting for the Pats!

AFC West is a shit division.  Though the Broncos lead the Chargers by two games I wouldn't get too cocky.  I'm shocked with our start to the season (I would have taken 8-8 before the season started) and our defence are playing brilliantly with only 26 points allowed in four games, but the next four games will tell all about this team.  With the Pats, Chargers, Ravens and Steelers coming up for Denver it wont be easy, after week 9 if we are 6-2 I will be very happy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 01:13:30 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on October 07, 2009, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 07, 2009, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 05, 2009, 07:57:37 PM
Or pony up for gamepass. 3 games worth of uninterupted HD football for me last night, pats v ravens, saints v jets, and steelers v chargers.

Phillip Rivers, by the way is fast becoming a genius of some sort. Some second half last night, if the D-line could just stop the run...

As a Chargers fan i had high hopes this season with Merriman coming back in but with Jamal Williams and Hardwick out for a fair bit, can't see much happening...8-8 at best. Shocked at how well Broncos are playing...acid test against Pats coming up this wkend though, first time ever i'll be shouting for the Pats!

AFC West is a shit division.  Though the Broncos lead the Chargers by two games I wouldn't get too cocky.  I'm shocked with our start to the season (I would have taken 8-8 before the season started) and our defence are playing brilliantly with only 26 points allowed in four games, but the next four games will tell all about this team.  With the Pats, Chargers, Ravens and Steelers coming up for Denver it wont be easy, after week 9 if we are 6-2 I will be very happy.

Agreed. It's pretty brutal, west coast football has'nt been strong for awhile!! Bronocs got caught last year by the Chargers and i can't see that happening two years in a row...

Anyways, check out these new team logos  :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=snibbe1/091006&sportCat=nfl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 07, 2009, 01:16:39 PM
Some of those are great.  I love the Rams one.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 07, 2009, 02:18:17 PM
Agreed. The Rams one is brilliant.

Go Bears.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 07, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
The Jets have signed Braylon Edwards for Chansi Stuckey and Jason Truznik and 2 draft picks, thought to be a 3rd and a 5th.
Interesting move. Not sure how much i like it. We definitely need a No 1 receiver, but Edwards might not have the best attitude. His recent off-the-field row doesn't sooth my unease either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 07, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 07, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
The Jets have signed Braylon Edwards for Chansi Stuckey and Jason Truznik and 2 draft picks, thought to be a 3rd and a 5th.
Interesting move. Not sure how much i like it. We definitely need a No 1 receiver, but Edwards might not have the best attitude. His recent off-the-field row doesn't sooth my unease either.

Very curious timing seeing as Crabtree just signed with the Niners - maybe there was truth in the allegations the Jets were tampering with him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2009, 05:34:17 PM
Edwards had a stinking attitude, plenty of mouth but hasn't been able to back it up after the big season in '07. Can't imagine Rex Ryan taking much shite from him so could be a great pickup for the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 12, 2009, 01:20:37 PM
Some win for the Broncos last night!!

I know i should have been supporting the Pats because i'm a chargers fan but when it came down to it, always nice to see the Pats loose!!!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2009, 01:24:14 PM
See the Cardiac Cards are living up to their rep. 21-0 up at half time, 21-7 going into the 4th, only to decide not to bother their arses a) moving the ball themselves or b) tackling the Texans. Net result 21-21 with under 2 minutes to go. Another 3 and out, and then hey presto DRC intercepts and turns it into a pick six with a 49 yard return. Game over. Em not exactly. from the kickoff the Texans run it back to the Cardinals 40. 3 complete passes and it's first and goal from the six. Oh well, overtime it is then. Nope. Finally the defence stands up and stuffs the Texans 3 times with another incomplete pass from a yard out. turnover on downs, Cardinals win. The only surprise is that they didn't fumble in the 55 seconds remaining on their own 1 yard line.

2-2 now, and a huge game in Seattle next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 12, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
Did anyone see that p***k Dre Bly in the 49ers v Falcons game? Thought he was taking a pick to the house and started celebrating by putting his hand behind his ear at the 30 yard line but got tackled by a Falcons receiver (Roddy White?) and lost the ball..........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 12, 2009, 01:57:01 PM
What about this boy   :o :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxI9OD3h3A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxI9OD3h3A)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 12, 2009, 02:00:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 12, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
Did anyone see that p***k Dre Bly in the 49ers v Falcons game? Thought he was taking a pick to the house and started celebrating by putting his hand behind his ear at the 30 yard line but got tackled by a Falcons receiver (Roddy White?) and lost the ball..........

Yeah it was brilliant, Happy with the Falcons last night. To see them chase down the WR to prevent the TD just before the goal line just show's the team are all highly motivated and willing to burst a gut for the team.

49ers seemed quite the opposite with players getting mixed up, QB way off with his recievers. Mike Singletary having to call a Timeout just to give his defence a bollocking is a bad sign too, made worse that they got blow away on the very next play.

Anyway, 5 of our next 7 games are against teams coming off a bye week so it'll be choppy waters from here on. Starting with the Bears, I think we have a decent chance of beating them. I doubt we'll catch the Saints but we are looking good for a play-off spot.

Pats getting beat as well last night. McDaniels didnt show up to shake Belicheks hand after. Well we all know who he learned his manners from so Bill should understand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 12, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
He was too busy shaking the hand of every other Patriot! If you watch the post match press conference or read any of the reports McDaniels was very complimentary of his old boss, and by all accounts Cheater Bill visited McDaniels office for a while after things had calmed down. McDaniels then spent over an hour on the Pats team buses with old friends.

Hard to blame the fella for gettin fired up after beating his mentor!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 12, 2009, 04:20:21 PM
Fair enough, NFL Game Day had a different slant on it, showing him celebrating with the Denver Players which Bill was wandering around looking a bit lost. Anyway, I didnt think there was any bad blood between them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 12, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 12, 2009, 01:57:01 PM
What about this boy   :o :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxI9OD3h3A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxI9OD3h3A)

What a hero!!

Colts and Giants look very strong so far, Giants Saints game is going to be a cracker next week!. Hoping Chagers put up a good show against the Broncos, time for LT to do something, Rivers can't carry the offense the whole time!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on October 12, 2009, 04:54:07 PM
Owen Schmidt  ;D
They do say you have to be a bit crazy to be a full back though!!!!
what about those Bengals lads?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 12, 2009, 11:35:55 PM
QuoteBuffalo Bills           1-4
Cleveland Browns         1-4
Detroit Lions         1-4
Oakland Raiders         1-4
Kansas City Chiefs      0-5
St. Louis Rams             0-5
Tampa Bay Buccaneers      0-5
Tennessee Titans      0-5

The race for the 1st Draft pick is really intense this year with a lot of teams really doing their damndest to out-shit each other. The Raiders went backwards on Offence, Kansas tried to make the Cowboys look good. Bills Vs Browns game should never be spoke of again, removed from the history books. Bucs are in free fall, the Rams are still stuck in the mire.

But Tennessee? what are they doing there. In fact I'm convinced that they are throwing this one. They figure Kerry Collins will be finished this year and Vince Young is crap, lets get Tebow and make a Superbowl run next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 13, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
Tebow isn't an NFL quarter back according to a lot of people who know something about it, but Jacksonville are going to take him as he is a local in order to sell tickets. Tennessee will be able to replace Haynesworth at defensive tackle by taking Suh if they carry on playing this badly. Tennessee remind me of the Irish rugby team at the world cup a couple of years ago. They should be going on a superbowl run.

What about the Jets and their old Pals act with Mangina(i) in Cleveland. Braylon Edwards for a third and a fifth and a couple of throw away players. A fifth round pick is pretty much a throw away pick as well, so it is pretty much a third round pick for Braylon Edwards which is a bargain. They also did a similar deal in the draft for their #5 pick in the first round so the Jets could draft Sanchez, the only decent thing they got from that was an extra second round pick, they also got 3 throw away players including quarterback Eric Ainge. Braylon should really help the Jets as they don't have a lot at wide receiver apart from Jericho Cotchery.

What is Mangini playing at though. He has already got rid of Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback and then brings in Anderson but then gets rid of Braylon Edwards while building up draft picks. So Anderson won't be able to make a good impression without a star wide receiver to throw to. Sounds like the Browns are going to go looking for a new quarter back in the draft and get rid of the other 2 and keep Ainge as the back up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 13, 2009, 02:27:57 AM
Capt Pat, you re referring to Brett Ratliff there, the Jets kept Ainge as their 3rd QB.
Anyone watching MNF? 10-7 to the phins. Braylon Edwards with the TD!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 13, 2009, 02:39:26 AM
Good riddance, Edwards.  They don't like me in Cleveland cos I'm from Michigin.  Shut up and just catch the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2009, 04:02:24 AM
That was some catch from Edwards deserved the TD. Some throw from Sanchez aswell.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 13, 2009, 04:13:44 AM
You're right, Carmen.  Couldn't catch a bus for us when it counted. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 13, 2009, 09:43:59 AM
Anybody going to Wembley?? I was there last year, some craic...I went to see 2 pre season games in San Diego a few years back...regular season game is on a different planet.

What are the Pats going to do with the Buccs though??It'll be a crime scence....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 13, 2009, 10:27:48 AM
I'm Going to Wembley this year,

Wont be as good as last year though. The Buccs are shockin bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 13, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 13, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
Tebow isn't an NFL quarter back according to a lot of people who know something about it

I've heard plenty of people say that too but don't really understand it. Admittedly my American Football knowledge isn't the most in depth, but everyone I know says that Bradford is the one to go for. However, in last years National Championship game, Tebow ridiculously outshone him and Florida walloped them. He'll be a top 5 pick surely, no?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 13, 2009, 01:34:36 PM
see here for why Tebow's unlikely to be a high pick in the draft:
http://walterfootball.com/pro2009ttebow.php

Quote from: gallsman on October 13, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 13, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
Tebow isn't an NFL quarter back according to a lot of people who know something about it

I've heard plenty of people say that too but don't really understand it. Admittedly my American Football knowledge isn't the most in depth, but everyone I know says that Bradford is the one to go for. However, in last years National Championship game, Tebow ridiculously outshone him and Florida walloped them. He'll be a top 5 pick surely, no?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 16, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/1015/1224256692191.html

QuoteNFL bosses will not Rush to welcome radio host

Rush Limbaugh's hopes of part owning the St Louis Rams appear to be doomed from the outset

THAT THE St Louis Rams would wind up on the auction block had been pretty much a foregone conclusion since the moment Georgia Irwin Geiger Johnson Wyler Hayes Rosenbloom Frontiere succumbed to breast cancer in January, and earlier this summer Madame Ram's children and heirs, Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, confirmed their intention to sell.

Two weeks ago the National Football League began vetting candidates as they entertained bids from prospective bidders, and within days word had leaked out that one of the front-runners appeared to be a consortium headed up by Dave Checketts.

Checketts is the former front man at Madison Square Garden, and at one point presided over the National Basketball Association Knicks and the National Hockey League Rangers, and had his thumb on the Garden's boxing department. Checketts is considered an able administrator, as evinced by the turnaround he has effected since assuming control of the NHL St Louis Blues. (He also is the principal owner of a Major League Soccer franchise, Real Salt Lake.) Since his bid would almost certainly include a commitment to keeping the Rams in St Louis, he was briefly considered the front-runner.

But for all of his qualifications, it seemed unlikely Checketts had access to $850 million or so in walking-around money that seems to be the asking price in this fire sale, and that was confirmed when the news leaked a primary component of his ownership group was the detestable, race-baiting conservative radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh.

The last time Limbaugh's name and the NFL appeared in the same sentence had come six years ago, when ESPN hired him to work their pre-game broadcast leading into their Monday Night Football telecasts. After a few weeks on the job Rush accused the media of overlooking the shortcomings of Philadelphia quarterback Donovan McNabb out of desire to see a black athlete, even an inferior one, succeed.

What was not known at the time was Limbaugh was operating under the influence of a serious oxycontin jones. Under pressure, he resigned from ESPN within days, but before the 2003 season was over, a couple of the doctors who'd been enabling his addiction had their medical licences revoked. Rush was spared prosecution when he voluntarily entered a rehab facility. That his reputation had not suffered among his loyalists was made clear when he signed a contract extension worth nearly $400 million for his syndicated radio program, giving him the wherewithal to be a major backer of the Checketts bid for the Rams.

This being America, Limbaugh's views, however obnoxious, are protected by the First Amendment, and hence cannot be held against him in what would be a public offering. But this is also the NFL we're talking about, the world's most exclusive club, and the "winner" would still have to pass muster with the other 31 owners. Some of them are hidebound conservatives who might privately subscribe to some of Rush's hysteria about African Americans in general and the Obama administration in particular, but they are smart enough to recognise a public relations disaster when they see one, and allowing Rush Limbaugh into the club would plainly be more trouble than it was worth.

His stint in rehab didn't seem to mellow Rush. He is on record as having compared the NFL to "a game between the Bloods and Crips without any weapons". Recently he described Obama's America as "a place where white kids get beat up on school buses and black kids cheer about it".

While it is true Limbaugh commands over 20 million listeners, that still leaves 280 million other Americans who ignore him on a daily basis.

Limbaugh's stock also fell in the eyes of many Republican operatives, and the rank and file, during last year's election, between his antipathy toward John McCain and his earlier "Operation Chaos", in which he urged Republican voters to abandon their primaries and vote for Hillary Clinton in a last-ditch measure to try to stave off the rolling Obama bandwagon.

That the Rams have lost 15 games going into Sunday's visit to Jacksonville probably hasn't done much for the asking price, and several members of the team (two-thirds of whom are black) have voiced their unwillingness to play for a team of which Limbaugh is even a part-owner.) Several prominent potential free agents have indicated like views, and more have been urged to do so by DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFL Players Association.

Limbaugh's Obama obsession appears to have become so personal in nature it strains even the limits of warped conservative philosophy. He is on record as having said he hopes to see the president "fail" at every turn, and when the 2016 Olympics were awarded to Rio, he exploded in glee, having interpreted the president's pro-forma appearance on behalf of the doomed Chicago bid as a crushing defeat.

A few days ago, Limbaugh sent an email to the Associated Press complaining about his treatment by the media: "It is regrettable something I have dreamed about for years has taken this course," he lamented. "But the fight is worth it to me. I love the NFL."

Demagogues at the other end of the spectrum like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just warming up, but on another level, I'd almost like to see what a Limbaugh-owned team would look like. A lily-white one, one suspects, sort of like the pre-1962 Washington Redskins.

Although he has since distanced himself from the remark, Limbaugh was quoted in Jack Huberman's 2001 book 101 People Who Are Screwing America with an observation that may have hinted at how he'd like to run a team: "Let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite. Slavery built the south. I'm not saying that we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

I know the man pretty well, and I, for one, can guarantee you theres not a chance in hell of New England Patriots' owner Robert Kraft approving a guy like that, and a couple of days ago another friend of mine, Indianapolis Colts' owner Jim Irsay, became the first member of the club to go on record with respect to Limbaugh's candidacy, saying, "I, myself, couldn't even consider voting for him. Our words do damage, and that's something we don't need."

Commissioner Roger Goodell is obviously hoping a new leader in the clubhouse will emerge, thus sparing the owners the flak that would result if they wound up blackballing Checketts' group because of Limbaugh, but even in his position as honest broker, Goodell said this week "divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about".

It might be well to bear in mind while Limbaugh's bigoted speech might be constitutionally protected, membership of the world's most exclusive club is not. As the prospectus outlining the terms of the sale notes, "Prospective buyers and sellers should bear in mind that the NFL reserves the right not to approve an application for membership."

Which ought to be end of story.

Glad this guy isn't joining the club though I've heard a good few red neck NFL fans are walking away from the league in disgust.


Also seen this about Brain injuries in contact sports. Interesting stuff.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sciencetoday/2009/1015/1224256675314.html

The sports legacy institute examined Chris Benoits brain, turned out to be similar to that of a very severe case of Alzheimer's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 16, 2009, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 13, 2009, 01:34:36 PM
see here for why Tebow's unlikely to be a high pick in the draft:
http://walterfootball.com/pro2009ttebow.php

Quote from: gallsman on October 13, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 13, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
Tebow isn't an NFL quarter back according to a lot of people who know something about it

I've heard plenty of people say that too but don't really understand it. Admittedly my American Football knowledge isn't the most in depth, but everyone I know says that Bradford is the one to go for. However, in last years National Championship game, Tebow ridiculously outshone him and Florida walloped them. He'll be a top 5 pick surely, no?

(http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/TTebow2.jpg)

I can see why he might have his hands full this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 16, 2009, 05:15:17 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 16, 2009, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 13, 2009, 01:34:36 PM
see here for why Tebow's unlikely to be a high pick in the draft:
http://walterfootball.com/pro2009ttebow.php

Quote from: gallsman on October 13, 2009, 10:39:56 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 13, 2009, 12:18:49 AM
Tebow isn't an NFL quarter back according to a lot of people who know something about it

I've heard plenty of people say that too but don't really understand it. Admittedly my American Football knowledge isn't the most in depth, but everyone I know says that Bradford is the one to go for. However, in last years National Championship game, Tebow ridiculously outshone him and Florida walloped them. He'll be a top 5 pick surely, no?

(http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/TTebow2.jpg)

I can see why he might have his hands full this year.

He's a committed Christian don't you know!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 16, 2009, 05:18:49 PM
Yeah, he's one of these no sex before marriage weirdos.

And he'll not be a successful NFL QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 16, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
She's f**king wasted on him so. She look made for fuckin'. 2 footballs down her top like.

What an asshole, not only is he a young lad in college, he's the college QB. He'd have women backing into him if wanted to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 16, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
He is a great kid by all accounts and he is a stud quarterback at a big school, he is a winner and the wmen love him so for some muppet to come on here and call him an asshole because of his belief system  is ridiculous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 16, 2009, 07:14:36 PM
Quote from: stew on October 16, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
He is a great kid by all accounts and he is a stud quarterback at a big school, he is a winner and the wmen love him so for some muppet to come on here and call him an asshole because of his belief system  is ridiculous.

Jesus, all those years in the states really have reduced your ability to take anything with a pinch of salt, haven't they?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 16, 2009, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 16, 2009, 07:14:36 PM
Quote from: stew on October 16, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
He is a great kid by all accounts and he is a stud quarterback at a big school, he is a winner and the wmen love him so for some muppet to come on here and call him an asshole because of his belief system  is ridiculous.

Jesus, all those years in the states really have reduced your ability to take anything with a pinch of salt, haven't they?

ah no, the juice was way over the top there. . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 16, 2009, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 16, 2009, 04:33:12 PM




(http://walterfootball.com/images/fball/TTebow2.jpg)


quote from guy in our office, "you'd be praising jesus all night every night if you got your hands on that"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 17, 2009, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 16, 2009, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 16, 2009, 07:14:36 PM
Quote from: stew on October 16, 2009, 05:32:11 PM
He is a great kid by all accounts and he is a stud quarterback at a big school, he is a winner and the wmen love him so for some muppet to come on here and call him an asshole because of his belief system  is ridiculous.

Jesus, all those years in the states really have reduced your ability to take anything with a pinch of salt, haven't they?

ah no, the juice was way over the top there. . .


Well Jesus Christ in holy heaven, do ye boys take everything seriously. I don't know the lad, wouldn't know him if he passed me in the street. I made some flippant remarks about him not taking advantage of the situation that he finds himself in, its up to him, doesn't make a difference to me and what I think doesn't make a difference to him.

As you said I was 'Way Over The Top' and I thought that would have been a clue that I wasn't being serious. I don't know lads, sure I thought casual swearing and verbal abuse was still OK among folks.  Ye big bunch of assholes.

Anyway, should be a good weekend, Falcons Bears should be a good one. Think we can do it, though Cutler has improved them. Giants-Saints is going to be a great one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 17, 2009, 05:58:17 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 16, 2009, 04:31:03 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/1015/1224256692191.html

QuoteNFL bosses will not Rush to welcome radio host

Rush Limbaugh's hopes of part owning the St Louis Rams appear to be doomed from the outset

THAT THE St Louis Rams would wind up on the auction block had been pretty much a foregone conclusion since the moment Georgia Irwin Geiger Johnson Wyler Hayes Rosenbloom Frontiere succumbed to breast cancer in January, and earlier this summer Madame Ram's children and heirs, Chip Rosenbloom and Lucia Rodriguez, confirmed their intention to sell.

Two weeks ago the National Football League began vetting candidates as they entertained bids from prospective bidders, and within days word had leaked out that one of the front-runners appeared to be a consortium headed up by Dave Checketts.

Checketts is the former front man at Madison Square Garden, and at one point presided over the National Basketball Association Knicks and the National Hockey League Rangers, and had his thumb on the Garden's boxing department. Checketts is considered an able administrator, as evinced by the turnaround he has effected since assuming control of the NHL St Louis Blues. (He also is the principal owner of a Major League Soccer franchise, Real Salt Lake.) Since his bid would almost certainly include a commitment to keeping the Rams in St Louis, he was briefly considered the front-runner.

But for all of his qualifications, it seemed unlikely Checketts had access to $850 million or so in walking-around money that seems to be the asking price in this fire sale, and that was confirmed when the news leaked a primary component of his ownership group was the detestable, race-baiting conservative radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh.

The last time Limbaugh's name and the NFL appeared in the same sentence had come six years ago, when ESPN hired him to work their pre-game broadcast leading into their Monday Night Football telecasts. After a few weeks on the job Rush accused the media of overlooking the shortcomings of Philadelphia quarterback Donovan McNabb out of desire to see a black athlete, even an inferior one, succeed.

What was not known at the time was Limbaugh was operating under the influence of a serious oxycontin jones. Under pressure, he resigned from ESPN within days, but before the 2003 season was over, a couple of the doctors who'd been enabling his addiction had their medical licences revoked. Rush was spared prosecution when he voluntarily entered a rehab facility. That his reputation had not suffered among his loyalists was made clear when he signed a contract extension worth nearly $400 million for his syndicated radio program, giving him the wherewithal to be a major backer of the Checketts bid for the Rams.

This being America, Limbaugh's views, however obnoxious, are protected by the First Amendment, and hence cannot be held against him in what would be a public offering. But this is also the NFL we're talking about, the world's most exclusive club, and the "winner" would still have to pass muster with the other 31 owners. Some of them are hidebound conservatives who might privately subscribe to some of Rush's hysteria about African Americans in general and the Obama administration in particular, but they are smart enough to recognise a public relations disaster when they see one, and allowing Rush Limbaugh into the club would plainly be more trouble than it was worth.

His stint in rehab didn't seem to mellow Rush. He is on record as having compared the NFL to "a game between the Bloods and Crips without any weapons". Recently he described Obama's America as "a place where white kids get beat up on school buses and black kids cheer about it".

While it is true Limbaugh commands over 20 million listeners, that still leaves 280 million other Americans who ignore him on a daily basis.

Limbaugh's stock also fell in the eyes of many Republican operatives, and the rank and file, during last year's election, between his antipathy toward John McCain and his earlier "Operation Chaos", in which he urged Republican voters to abandon their primaries and vote for Hillary Clinton in a last-ditch measure to try to stave off the rolling Obama bandwagon.

That the Rams have lost 15 games going into Sunday's visit to Jacksonville probably hasn't done much for the asking price, and several members of the team (two-thirds of whom are black) have voiced their unwillingness to play for a team of which Limbaugh is even a part-owner.) Several prominent potential free agents have indicated like views, and more have been urged to do so by DeMaurice Smith, the executive director of the NFL Players Association.

Limbaugh's Obama obsession appears to have become so personal in nature it strains even the limits of warped conservative philosophy. He is on record as having said he hopes to see the president "fail" at every turn, and when the 2016 Olympics were awarded to Rio, he exploded in glee, having interpreted the president's pro-forma appearance on behalf of the doomed Chicago bid as a crushing defeat.

A few days ago, Limbaugh sent an email to the Associated Press complaining about his treatment by the media: "It is regrettable something I have dreamed about for years has taken this course," he lamented. "But the fight is worth it to me. I love the NFL."

Demagogues at the other end of the spectrum like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just warming up, but on another level, I'd almost like to see what a Limbaugh-owned team would look like. A lily-white one, one suspects, sort of like the pre-1962 Washington Redskins.

Although he has since distanced himself from the remark, Limbaugh was quoted in Jack Huberman's 2001 book 101 People Who Are Screwing America with an observation that may have hinted at how he'd like to run a team: "Let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite. Slavery built the south. I'm not saying that we should bring it back. I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark."

I know the man pretty well, and I, for one, can guarantee you theres not a chance in hell of New England Patriots' owner Robert Kraft approving a guy like that, and a couple of days ago another friend of mine, Indianapolis Colts' owner Jim Irsay, became the first member of the club to go on record with respect to Limbaugh's candidacy, saying, "I, myself, couldn't even consider voting for him. Our words do damage, and that's something we don't need."

Commissioner Roger Goodell is obviously hoping a new leader in the clubhouse will emerge, thus sparing the owners the flak that would result if they wound up blackballing Checketts' group because of Limbaugh, but even in his position as honest broker, Goodell said this week "divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about".

It might be well to bear in mind while Limbaugh's bigoted speech might be constitutionally protected, membership of the world's most exclusive club is not. As the prospectus outlining the terms of the sale notes, "Prospective buyers and sellers should bear in mind that the NFL reserves the right not to approve an application for membership."

Which ought to be end of story.

Glad this guy isn't joining the club though I've heard a good few red neck NFL fans are walking away from the league in disgust.


Also seen this about Brain injuries in contact sports. Interesting stuff.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sciencetoday/2009/1015/1224256675314.html

The sports legacy institute examined Chris Benoits brain, turned out to be similar to that of a very severe case of Alzheimer's.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Of course, his apparent dream to own an NFL team aside, this is all going to end up boosting his popularity among his knuckle-dragging following even more! Player unions, PC/chickenshit NFL owners, liberal media and elites... just about every aspect of the far-right demagogue's list of bogeymen is represented and conspired to deny this true man of the American people his just deserts! If you go on the right wing websites and blogs, they're swearing revenge!

That said, I think the author is overstating the role or power that Limbaugh would have had here. Even if he wanted to, the possibility of putting together an all-white team in the NFL in this day and age is just about zero. Plus, half of the population of St Louis proper (as opposed to the wider metropolitan area) is African American.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 17, 2009, 06:04:14 PM
Notre Dame vs USC should be a decent game today.  USC 10 point favourites.  Took the Irish to cover along with Oklahoma against Texas.  Bradford off early for Oklahoma which doesnt help much!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 17, 2009, 07:30:01 PM
Buckeyes getting a bad beating at the hands of Purdue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 18, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
tebow doing a good job right now for the gators.... 20-20 tie with arkansas just got them into field goal range with seconds left
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 18, 2009, 12:06:19 AM
florida get the win 23-20 to keep it going....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 18, 2009, 10:16:09 AM
What a game in the stadium tonight....A-rod done it again....f**k it was cold...lets go yankeessssssssssssss!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 18, 2009, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 18, 2009, 10:16:09 AM
What a game in the stadium tonight....A-rod done it again....f**k it was cold...lets go yankeessssssssssssss!!!

were you there new devil? unbelievable, you cant get better then that, a rod finally becomes mr october. . nothing between these teams yet yankees 2 up because of a few errors. 13 innings must be up there as a postseason record
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 18, 2009, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 18, 2009, 10:16:09 AM
What a game in the stadium tonight....A-rod done it again....f**k it was cold...lets go yankeessssssssssssss!!!

No doubt A- rod is the man at the minute.  The Yankees pitching is standing to them, not just their starters but the guys in the bullpen aswell.  Fancy them to take at least one in LA and win it back at Yankee Stadium.  Will go with you to that one.
That season ticket you bought is coming in handy now!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 18, 2009, 07:45:29 PM
Giants getting their asses whupped but not dead yet at ht in the dome. Brees cutting them apart and they look far from the best team in the league. New Orleans look the real deal this year. Really looking forward to Bears/Falcs later.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2009, 08:09:01 PM
The most impressive thing about the Saints and Brees in particular is he spreads the throws about so well, he does not have a blue chip receiver ( you could make an argument for Colston and he was a 7th round draft pick) but usually has about 5 or 6 players with at least one catch. Similar to Manning in Indy. Will be interesting to see how they fare in December/ January in outdoor games without much of a running game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 18, 2009, 08:15:54 PM
I think Colston is absolutely a no1 receiver! Some of his catches today have been sensational- particularly the where he twisted in mid air to make the catch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2009, 08:21:52 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 18, 2009, 08:15:54 PM
I think Colston is absolutely a no1 receiver! Some of his catches today have been sensational- particularly the where he twisted in mid air to make the catch.

He is a No 1 receiver alright (I have drafted him twice in fantasy football) but he does not get the recognition that other receivers do. Brees will probably throw for about 6tds but not to Colston as I need a few points from him today  :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 18, 2009, 08:26:24 PM
You were saying... Lol!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 18, 2009, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 18, 2009, 07:45:29 PM
Giants getting their asses whupped but not dead yet at ht in the dome. Brees cutting them apart and they look far from the best team in the league. New Orleans look the real deal this year. Really looking forward to Bears/Falcs later.

their dead now....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 18, 2009, 08:47:09 PM
Thought this game would be closer. If anything Giants are lucky to have 17 points, That late hit on Manning that was a bit of a reprieve, Saints looking almost unstoppable. Just that we were talking about Tebow in the NFL, Reggie Bush 3 years on not looking to fit in at RB, more of a WR and return man on Special teams. Not the role that was wrote for him by many when he was drafted.

Mike Holmgren makes a welcome change to Jonny Mitchell.

Think I'll catch a nap instead of watching Seahawks-Cardinals and watch the late game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 18, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
Ravens miss a possible game winning 44 yard FG with 2 secs on the clock.

Final Score:
Vikes 33 - 31 Ravens
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 18, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 18, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
Ravens miss a possible game winning 44 yard FG with 2 secs on the clock.

Final Score:
Vikes 33 - 31 Ravens

delighted, farve the man
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2009, 09:42:37 PM
Zorn for the boot now I would say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 18, 2009, 10:49:15 PM
Titans getting a phenomenal battering by New England. 38-0 approaching half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2009, 10:53:04 PM
It's a quare treat listening to someone with the knowledge Holmgren has compared to that clown Johnnie "absolutely Nick" Mitchell............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 18, 2009, 10:55:41 PM
45-0, still another 12 secs till half time.

Great to have Holmgren there alright. A bit of useful insight for once.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 18, 2009, 11:41:37 PM
f**king McNabb is killing my fantasy team. I'm balls to the wall in a very close game and he decides to play a stinker!?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyrone86 on October 18, 2009, 11:46:44 PM
Pats 59-0 v Titans and still the 4th quarter to go  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2009, 12:31:41 AM
Jets in bother at home to Buffalo.
Sanchez hearing boos from the crowd, only two weeks ago he was the best thing ever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 19, 2009, 12:36:19 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2009, 12:31:41 AM
Jets in bother at home to Buffalo.
Sanchez hearing boos from the crowd, only two weeks ago he was the best thing ever.

He had been overhyped in fairness, hasn't passed for over 200yds in the last 3 games, which will leave you in the shit unless you have Adrian Peterson running the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2009, 12:36:50 AM
Buffalo miss field goal to win. Overtime.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2009, 12:40:13 AM
Sanchez stunk it up big style today. Less than 100 yards passing, 4 ints and no TD's. Good job Thomas Jones ran for over 200 yards. Will be intersting to see if Sanchez can get anything going in ot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2009, 12:42:34 AM
Edwards with a great catch.  Should win it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2009, 12:48:08 AM
Can you f**king beleive what they just done.  Bad snap but were the f**k was he throwing it????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2009, 01:11:04 AM
Bills win!! 16-13
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 19, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Jay Cutler is back throwing interceptions again to keep the falcons in the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 19, 2009, 03:08:43 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on October 18, 2009, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 18, 2009, 10:16:09 AM
What a game in the stadium tonight....A-rod done it again....f**k it was cold...lets go yankeessssssssssssss!!!

were you there new devil? unbelievable, you cant get better then that, a rod finally becomes mr october. . nothing between these teams yet yankees 2 up because of a few errors. 13 innings must be up there as a postseason record

Yea was there friday as well...Two very cold nights but well worth it..Place went bananas when A-Rod hit that homer...Cant understand how so many people left before it was over  ??? Hopefully they can take 1 game in LA and Carmen and I will be there again next saturday  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2009, 11:07:22 AM
That's more like it Cardinals. Great away win in Seattle. Defense took advantage of the banged up Seattle O-Line, and it allowed the secondary to hide their crapulence.  Fitzgerald is an animal. That's a big win, especially travelling to play the Giants next week. You'd have to fancy the Giants there, but 3-3 is a lot better than 2-4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2009, 11:24:06 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 19, 2009, 02:24:10 AM
Jay Cutler is back throwing interceptions again to keep the falcons in the game.

I was sick as a pig after staying up for that last night. 3 red zone turnovers including the last one on downs including 20 yards worth of penalties. Sunday nights not suiting the Bears. Vikings close shave again - they could easily be 4-2 but are 6-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 20, 2009, 12:49:58 AM
more extra innings from the yankees and angels, game 3 tied 4-4 after 9. .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 20, 2009, 02:02:26 AM
yankees lose...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 20, 2009, 03:08:22 AM
Eddie royal has a kick return and a punt return touchdown in the first half against the Chargers to put the Broncos up 17-10 near the end of the first half........there goes darren Sproles with a punt return touchdown for the Chargers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JimStynes on October 20, 2009, 08:39:52 AM
Lads what are the chances of getting tickets to a football game in New York. Im going to be there from the 25th of November until the 30th of November. I dont care if its the jets or Giants. Does any of the american based fellas have any contacts who would be able to help us out. Thanks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 20, 2009, 09:46:12 AM
Your best bet would be stubhub.com  Jim...get tickets for around $100 on there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 20, 2009, 12:52:26 PM
Rookie Michael Oher on Jared Allen: "He's not that special- he makes what, a $100 million dollars? I thin I did a pretty good job on him."

Jared Allens reply (having notched a couple sacks against Oher): "I beat that guy like a red-headed stepchild."

I think Strahans sack record could be in real danger this year. Dumervil already has 10 sacks and Allen has 7.5. Both have a schedule full of Swiss cheese O-lines still to come. Allen in particular has Detroit and Green Bay again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 20, 2009, 02:19:38 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 20, 2009, 12:52:26 PM
Rookie Michael Oher on Jared Allen: "He's not that special- he makes what, a $100 million dollars? I thin I did a pretty good job on him."

Jared Allens reply (having notched a couple sacks against Oher): "I beat that guy like a red-headed stepchild."

I think Strahans sack record could be in real danger this year. Dumervil already has 10 sacks and Allen has 7.5. Both have a schedule full of Swiss cheese O-lines still to come. Allen in particular has Detroit and Green Bay again!

Is that the record that Favre is criticised for gifting to him? Remember reading about it somewhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on October 20, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on October 20, 2009, 08:39:52 AM
Lads what are the chances of getting tickets to a football game in New York. Im going to be there from the 25th of November until the 30th of November. I dont care if its the jets or Giants. Does any of the american based fellas have any contacts who would be able to help us out. Thanks
Giants are away that weekend. The Jets are at home against Carolina Panthers on Sunday at 1pm.

Stubhub link for the game http://www.stubhub.com/new-york-jets-tickets/jets-vs-panthers-giants-stadium-788277/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 20, 2009, 02:26:20 PM
Yeah Favre gave him his last sack on a gimme on purpose. It was late in the 4th quarter in week 17. He beat the previous record holder by 1/2 a sack.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 20, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
Guys if anyone knows anyone looking for a ticket to Wembley this weekend I have gotten stuck with 8 spare tickets. Face val €80. i know this is not buy and sell but just in case anyone knows anyone looking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 20, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
Guys if anyone knows anyone looking for a ticket to Wembley this weekend I have gotten stuck with 8 spare tickets. Face val €80. i know this is not buy and sell but just in case anyone knows anyone looking.

How did you get landed with so many spares Claw?
Title: american football
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 20, 2009, 09:50:56 PM
Lads dont know if any of ye know this but just noticed that euro sport 2 is showing college football now
Title: Re: american football
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2009, 09:51:53 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 20, 2009, 09:50:56 PM
Lads dont know if any of ye know this but just noticed that euro sport 2 is showing college football now

Good lad Deel, is it on every week?
Title: american football
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 20, 2009, 10:03:02 PM
Dont know minder just noticed it tonight . I ll check to see if its on again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 20, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Watch it online live at ATDHE.NET
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 21, 2009, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 20, 2009, 04:28:40 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 20, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
Guys if anyone knows anyone looking for a ticket to Wembley this weekend I have gotten stuck with 8 spare tickets. Face val €80. i know this is not buy and sell but just in case anyone knows anyone looking.

How did you get landed with so many spares Claw?
Major hassle Minder. I organised a trip for 20 lads so I bought them all tickets. 8 didn't book their flights on time and now say they are too expensive so they cancelled. They paid me the money though so i'm not losing out but i said i'd try to get them some money back on their tix, pricey enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 21, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
Looking very like Yankees V Phillies in world series..with the yankees winning 10-1 last night and CC pitching 8 great innings..A-rod is starting to look like the new Mr October...Both the yankees and phillies only need to win 1 game to make it through
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 24, 2009, 08:03:09 PM
what about them yankees! game 6 starting on espn america in an hours time live from the bronx..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 24, 2009, 08:11:38 PM
Let's hope the rain holds off - the sky is looking fairly gray and foreboding in NYC at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 24, 2009, 09:02:21 PM
Game not till 8.  Giving rain all evening so could be a long night in the Bronx if they try and play it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 24, 2009, 09:15:06 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 24, 2009, 09:02:21 PM
Game not till 8.  Giving rain all evening so could be a long night in the Bronx if they try and play it.

??? thought i saw during the week it was scheduled for 16.13 eastern time?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 24, 2009, 10:08:21 PM
It was changed thursday evening until 8.05 magic..don't no why?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 24, 2009, 10:40:24 PM
How does it work with baseball when it comes to rain - is just about the pitch inspection like in GAA or soccer?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 24, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
They listen to weather reports a lot too J70..they have the base area of the field covered right up to game time..Cant see this game going ahead...and i hope not because i will definitely go tomorrow night...You don't follow the baseball?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 24, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 24, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
They listen to weather reports a lot too J70..they have the base area of the field covered right up to game time..Cant see this game going ahead...and i hope not because i will definitely go tomorrow night...You don't follow the baseball?

I keep up to date with how things are progressing and I've watched a fair bit of the playoffs so far, but I couldn't sit and watch it on a regular basis. Its a bit like golf or tennis in that respect.

So does the game go ahead subject to a pitch inspection then, regardless of the weather, or does a heavy rain forecast mean postponement, no matter how well the pitch holds up?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 24, 2009, 11:29:31 PM
Games off!!

They would usually start the game and see how it holds up but the way its been raining all day and heavy rain forecasted they must of decided it was better to play it tomorrow

Games on tomorrow night at 8.20..same time has giants game  :( :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 24, 2009, 11:29:56 PM
There can't be any standing water on the pitch or they won't play. They may play in light rain but not in heavy rain. That is as much as I know about it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 25, 2009, 01:32:57 AM
tomorrow night it is then, ny tellys will be busy with the giants on as well...

rain delays are common enough in baseball tho the commissioner has said that all post season games will be played to completion no matter what....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 25, 2009, 01:47:01 AM
That big heure Jacobs better get his finger out for Big Blue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 25, 2009, 01:48:56 AM
Ahmad Bradshaw all the way. Thinkin of playin him at flex tomorrow ahead of Driver or Steve Smith of the Giants. Also could start him at RB2 instead of Maroney (good match up). Decisions, decisions!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
Farve and the Vikings lose unbeaten run to Pittsburg!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 25, 2009, 08:28:04 PM
Big win for the Chargers tonight - they need a long run now of similar results to make the P-Offs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 08:44:01 PM
Jets have started well. 14-0 1st quarter at Oakland.
How the feck did the Raiders beat Philly last week, they look very poor.

ONeill, Kansas one of the worst teams about. Oakland next for you which should be ok but then its Giants, Eagles and Denver before Kansas again.
That should leave them  6-5 ( giving them win against eagles)
then not the worst run in
@ Cleveland  win
@ Dallas     lose
Cincinnatti  lose (playing well)
@ Tennessee win
Washington win

Leaves them  9-7  borderline.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2009, 08:49:19 PM
Crabtree with a pretty solid debut. Five catches for 56.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 25, 2009, 08:52:02 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 08:44:01 PM
Jets have started well. 14-0 1st quarter at Oakland.
How the feck did the Raiders beat Philly last week, they look very poor.

ONeill, Kansas one of the worst teams about. Oakland next for you which should be ok but then its Giants, Eagles and Denver before Kansas again.
That should leave them  6-5 ( giving them win against eagles)
then not the worst run in
@ Cleveland  win
@ Dallas     lose
Cincinnatti  lose (playing well)
@ Tennessee win
Washington win

Leaves them  9-7  borderline.

Kansas were perhaps the worst team I've watched, ever. They couldn't get out of their own 10 at times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 25, 2009, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 25, 2009, 08:28:04 PM
Big win for the Chargers tonight - they need a long run now of similar results to make the P-Offs.

Chiefs are brutal though, can't see it happening for us this year sadly!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 25, 2009, 08:52:02 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 08:44:01 PM
Jets have started well. 14-0 1st quarter at Oakland.
How the feck did the Raiders beat Philly last week, they look very poor.

ONeill, Kansas one of the worst teams about. Oakland next for you which should be ok but then its Giants, Eagles and Denver before Kansas again.
That should leave them  6-5 ( giving them win against eagles)
then not the worst run in
@ Cleveland  win
@ Dallas     lose
Cincinnatti  lose (playing well)
@ Tennessee win
Washington win

Leaves them  9-7  borderline.

Kansas were perhaps the worst team I've watched, ever. They couldn't get out of their own 10 at times.

Graet for San Diego that they get to play them twice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on October 25, 2009, 09:16:09 PM
Anyone else hear the NFL commissioner talking during the Wembley game about how they are more than likely going to bring 2 regular season games to Europe next year?? The CBS guys then mentioned Dublin as a possible venue....

Be unbelievable to have it in Croker!! Can't see it happening though....Old Trafford....Amsterdam....and Berlin would have to be ahead of us to stage a game....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 10:19:20 PM
Looks like Oakland may not score against the Jets.  Into the fourth and its 31-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 25, 2009, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 25, 2009, 09:16:09 PM
Anyone else hear the NFL commissioner talking during the Wembley game about how they are more than likely going to bring 2 regular season games to Europe next year?? The CBS guys then mentioned Dublin as a possible venue....

Be unbelievable to have it in Croker!! Can't see it happening though....Old Trafford....Amsterdam....and Berlin would have to be ahead of us to stage a game....

Yeah they mentioned your man Rooney who is the US ambassador to Ireland as the link. He owns (or owned) the Pittsburg Steelers doesn't he?

Would the GAA be willing to give another temporary relaxation of Rule 42? If not, can't see them being interested in Lansdowne capacity wise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 11:02:08 PM
FT
Jets 38
Raiders 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on October 25, 2009, 11:11:18 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on October 25, 2009, 10:50:40 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on October 25, 2009, 09:16:09 PM
Anyone else hear the NFL commissioner talking during the Wembley game about how they are more than likely going to bring 2 regular season games to Europe next year?? The CBS guys then mentioned Dublin as a possible venue....

Be unbelievable to have it in Croker!! Can't see it happening though....Old Trafford....Amsterdam....and Berlin would have to be ahead of us to stage a game....

Yeah they mentioned your man Rooney who is the US ambassador to Ireland as the link. He owns (or owned) the Pittsburg Steelers doesn't he?

Would the GAA be willing to give another temporary relaxation of Rule 42? If not, can't see them being interested in Lansdowne capacity wise.

the rooney family still own the steelers and i've no doubt cp would be available, american football was staged there during rule 42s existence. dint know would the nfl go for dublin tho more like paris/berlin or rome
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 26, 2009, 12:21:27 AM
Back from Wembley. Buccaneers were woeful. Their pathetic display just sucked the atmosphere out of the stadium. Patriots didn't even look interested by half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 26, 2009, 12:30:00 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 25, 2009, 11:02:08 PM
FT
Jets 38
Raiders 0

The Raiders must be absolutely woeful! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on October 26, 2009, 03:35:15 AM
exciting finish to the giants game here :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2009, 03:40:56 AM
Feck Manning anyhow! :(
Back to the Yankee game, looks like they might hold on!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2009, 04:11:18 AM
Yankees vs Phillies World Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5hK90Itwb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5hK90Itwb8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 26, 2009, 10:37:09 AM
Giants starting to get found out a little? Collinsworth was pointing out that their unbeaten start to the season was actually relatively easy, so the 5-0 record fooled a good few people. Great comeback from the Saints to beat the Dolphins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 26, 2009, 11:38:12 AM
Great win for the Cards. 4-2 now and the early losses are forgotten about. Big game (aren't they all) against the Panthers next weekend. 5-2 and you could start kicking for home nearly in the NFC West.

Road wins against Jacksonville, Seattle and NY Giants are very welcome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 26, 2009, 01:45:45 PM
I wouldn't be so sure AZOffaly seven games into the season the division won't be won. Good comeback yesterday from the 49ers but it just wasn't enough. Can't see them winning at the colts next week but you never know. Looks like Shawn Hills reign may well be over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 26, 2009, 02:55:54 PM
Kicking for home in that if you won another 4 or 5 you'd win it. Not saying the division would be won with a 5-11 record :)

5-2 with two games against the Rams, and you could be hopeful of a 10-6 record. That should win the west.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 26, 2009, 03:03:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 26, 2009, 11:38:12 AM
Great win for the Cards. 4-2 now and the early losses are forgotten about. Big game (aren't they all) against the Panthers next weekend. 5-2 and you could start kicking for home nearly in the NFC West.

Road wins against Jacksonville, Seattle and NY Giants are very welcome.

If being a Broncos fan last season thought me anything, its you are never guaranteed a divisional title until its mathematically guaranteed.  ;)  Hope ye win the NFC West though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 26, 2009, 05:47:43 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 26, 2009, 03:40:56 AM
Feck Manning anyhow! :(
Back to the Yankee game, looks like they might hold on!


Manning was brutal.....Lets go YANKEES!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 26, 2009, 08:56:11 PM
Brutal was da Bears. Ridiculous. Capped off a fairly shitty Sunday for me!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 29, 2009, 03:34:21 AM
Yankees get destroyed by Cliff lee in Game 1. 6-1 to the Phillies. The Yankees are in trouble with Lee in this type of form he can pitch another couple of games for them in this series, in this type of form that would get them 3 wins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 29, 2009, 05:10:33 AM
Just home from the game..brillant display by Lee..but long way to go,thank f**k he dosen't pitch every night  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 29, 2009, 10:16:55 AM
Brett Favre returns to Lambeau this weekend. Will be interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2009, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 29, 2009, 10:16:55 AM
Brett Favre returns to Lambeau this weekend. Will be interesting.

Are Sky showing it Juice as the late game?
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Post by: thejuice on October 29, 2009, 12:47:43 PM
they are indeed, Jet-Phins @ 5:30 then Vike-Packers @ 9.

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Post by: ballinaman on October 29, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Anybody else on nfluk fantasy?? I'm torn between schuab and garrard as qb this week. Also i never thought i'd see the day...i'm starting a lions player....kevin smith at RB...they playing the rams though it has to be said...
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Post by: stew on October 29, 2009, 05:50:14 PM
If the pack can protect Rodgers they will win this game going away, I think that the vikings will again throw the kitchen sink at the packs O line and try and get to Rodgers, if they do thye will win, it's that simple.

Knowing the huge ego Favre has I suspect he will throw downfield a few times and he will fire away from Woodson, if that other tube Harris can contain himself and keep his man in front of him the pack will pick Farve will throw picks as long as there is no misunderstanding between the safeties and the corners.

Prediction time. Packers 24-viqueens 17. :)
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Post by: The Claw on October 30, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
i don't think that Gbay's O line will be able to protect Rogers without some serious tight end help. Jaren Allen had a field day against them last time.
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Post by: magpie seanie on October 30, 2009, 01:47:37 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 30, 2009, 11:03:27 AM
i don't think that Gbay's O line will be able to protect Rogers without some serious tight end help. Jaren Allen had a field day against them last time.

That would be my fear too. Hopefully the Packers have looked and that and have devised an antidote. Actually want GB to win this one to keep Bears slim hopes just about alive. This is going to be a harder game for Favre than the earlier one. Harder for him to maintain focus I'd venture.
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Post by: RedBolts on October 30, 2009, 03:34:53 PM
There won't be much between the Packers and the Vikings. Rodgers or Favre? I know who i'd rather have on my side going into a tight fourth quarter. GB have all the pressure going into this one, esp after their earlier defeat to Minnesota. Vikings by +3.5

Some other matchups this weekend:
NY Giants v Philadelphia Eagles - The Giants have been found out it seems, but i don't particularly rate the Eagles either (they lost to Oakland ffs). Manning been taking a bit of stick this past couple of weeks, good chance to get back on track. Giants by +6.5

Raiders v SD Chargers - perfect game for the Chargers to go 4-3. Bit disappointed in the Bolts this season, thought they might walk the division (maybe even go 6-0), but we never counted on the Broncos O. First Monday night football SD struggled in Oakland. Writing was on the wall then - easy win on Sunday won't erase it. Chargers by +13.5

SF 49ers v Indi Colts - Manning's been at his tip-top best and Indi look like Superbowl winners. Saw SF the other week on sky against Atlanta. They were horrible. 3-3 probably flatters them. Colts by as much as they want.
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Post by: magickingdom on October 31, 2009, 01:44:14 PM
big game for the yankees tonight, pettitt is up for them so thats good, no dh for the next 3 games for the yankees tho. if they lose tonight the phillies will fancy their chances of finishing off the series at home....
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Post by: Oraisteach on October 31, 2009, 09:00:13 PM
Yeah, it's terrific to see two Indians' pitchers dueling in the World Series.

Sure, if you have enough money you can buy whatever you want.

And that's one reason why I like the GEE-AAH-AY.  Good or bad, if you're from Armagh, you play for Armagh.
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Post by: stew on October 31, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 29, 2009, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 29, 2009, 10:16:55 AM
Brett Favre returns to Lambeau this weekend. Will be interesting.

Are Sky showing it Juice as the late game?

I just got handed two tickets for this game and I have no interest in going, the daughter would go but she is headed back to Milwaukee for school, any takers????
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Post by: Minder on October 31, 2009, 09:19:34 PM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 29, 2009, 10:44:50 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 29, 2009, 10:16:55 AM
Brett Favre returns to Lambeau this weekend. Will be interesting.

Are Sky showing it Juice as the late game?

I just got handed two tickets for this game and I have no interest in going, the daughter would go but she is headed back to Milwaukee for school, any takers????

Would take them in a heartbeat but am 3000 miles away  :'(
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Post by: magickingdom on November 01, 2009, 02:08:44 AM
yankees getting into a big hole here 3-0 down in the 2nd
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Post by: Archie Mitchell on November 01, 2009, 10:28:16 AM
They seemed to have had no bother getting out of the hole as they won 8-5.
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Post by: magickingdom on November 01, 2009, 04:49:02 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091031&content_id=7586236&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

yankees got lucky with a 2 run home run called after video replay for a rod. if that camera was not sticking out 6 inches no way is that a home run imo
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Post by: Archie Mitchell on November 01, 2009, 05:07:19 PM
What's the rules regarding this sort of thing? Obviously the camera is an object that shouldn't be there, therefore interferred with the ball going for a homerun.

Sure even if you took the 2 runs away they would have won 6-5.
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Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2009, 05:37:23 PM
Anyone know any links to the 49ers Colts game?
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Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2009, 06:16:44 PM
Eagles 14-0 up against the giants already
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Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
Touchdown 49ers Gore 64 yard run  ;D
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Post by: Capt Pat on November 01, 2009, 06:58:16 PM
Nothing much happening in these games it is all about Brett favre today.
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Post by: thejuice on November 01, 2009, 07:23:50 PM
Giants are really getting the shite knocked out of them. Falcons might have a chance against them next week.
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Post by: Capt Pat on November 01, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
It is not just this game but the Giants season seems to be collapsing, that will be 3 bad defeats in a row. They don't seem to be as good as some of the better teams in the NFL
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Post by: Minder on November 01, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Ted Ginn has some wheels on him
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Post by: magickingdom on November 01, 2009, 08:54:54 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on November 01, 2009, 05:07:19 PM
What's the rules regarding this sort of thing? Obviously the camera is an object that shouldn't be there, therefore interferred with the ball going for a homerun.

Sure even if you took the 2 runs away they would have won 6-5.

the umpires had inspected the ground before the game and had ruled if the camera was hit it was a home run. the trajectory of the ball has nothing to do with it
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Post by: orangeman on November 01, 2009, 09:24:24 PM
Brett Favre is getting some reception in Green Bay !!!!
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Post by: barelegs on November 01, 2009, 09:39:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 01, 2009, 08:16:45 PM
Ted Ginn has some wheels on him

That he does. Maybe it was the threat of being cut from the starting wide receiver job that eventually got some productivity out of him. He's caused Dolphins fans (like myself) to tear their hair out on more than one occasion. Let's hope the Dolphins can kick on from here.
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Post by: magpie seanie on November 01, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
Early yet but worrying signs for those who want a GB win this evening. Minnesota D eating their opponents alive and Favre a steady hand on the tiller the other side.

Bears did the business albeit against a terrible Browns team. Still not getting it right on offense. Need to make a big step up for 2nd half of season to have any hope.
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Post by: orangeman on November 01, 2009, 10:11:27 PM
Favre is answering the boo boys in some fashion !!
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Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2009, 11:24:05 PM
Chargers' season potentially falling apart now. Were hammering the Raiders, now 5 in it and wobbling.
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Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2009, 11:33:32 PM
That FG might do it. 8 ahead with 4:43 left.
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Post by: heganboy on November 02, 2009, 03:22:17 AM
yanks looking good in the 6th, bed time...
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Post by: new devil on November 02, 2009, 05:34:07 AM
Yup and they were good...winning 7-4 with 3 runs in the top off the 9th...One win away from the world series  ;D
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Post by: RedBolts on November 02, 2009, 10:22:27 AM
You got to hand it to Favre. Must have been weird enough for him, but he hardly let it show. Great game.

Two significant moments of the game for me: Percy Harvin's touchdown (after two dead-eye passes from Favre), and his kick return in the 3rd qtr that literally dragged the Vikings back into a game that Green Bay were steadily getting on top off.

I don't think we can judge the Rodgers v Favre thing (as people inev. will) based on yesterday's game. The protection Rodgers got esp in the first half was awful. Jared Allen went unopposed at times. It was this loose opening to the game from the Packers that lost it for them.

As for the Chargers, a win is a win. LT doing what he does best against the Raiders, and the Broncos losing keeps divisional hopes alive.
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Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2009, 01:11:05 PM
Bollox to the Cards. They let Williams (boo) and Stewart (yeah!) run all over them. Kurt had 6 Turnovers!!!
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Post by: RedBolts on November 02, 2009, 04:03:49 PM
Interesting as well that Sky can't show the Gameday programme on Monday evenings any more due to heavy sponsorship contravening uk broadcasting laws. They're now showing a highlights show of the two games shown the night before. 7pm tonight i think
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Post by: thejuice on November 03, 2009, 03:09:50 PM
Seen the highlights of last nights game on Sky this morning. Thought for a minute Falcons were going to cause an upset, especially with the hit on Brees that got returned. Sadly our 3rd string secondary looked like midgets out there against Colston and the rest.

Turner looked a bit more like his old self breaking tackles and rumbling for 1st downs rather than going down in the pile. Sadly Matt Ryan threw 2 poor picks. Unlucky for Roddy White dropping a diving catch in the End zone, which the ref originally awarded a TD.

Saints 7-0, Falcons now 4-3 but with the Redskins next week we should stay in contention for the Wildcard spot.
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Post by: stew on November 03, 2009, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: RedBolts on November 02, 2009, 10:22:27 AM
You got to hand it to Favre. Must have been weird enough for him, but he hardly let it show. Great game.

Two significant moments of the game for me: Percy Harvin's touchdown (after two dead-eye passes from Favre), and his kick return in the 3rd qtr that literally dragged the Vikings back into a game that Green Bay were steadily getting on top off.

I don't think we can judge the Rodgers v Favre thing (as people inev. will) based on yesterday's game. The protection Rodgers got esp in the first half was awful. Jared Allen went unopposed at times. It was this loose opening to the game from the Packers that lost it for them.

As for the Chargers, a win is a win. LT doing what he does best against the Raiders, and the Broncos losing keeps divisional hopes alive.

Rodgers is by far the better qb, if Favre was here he would be kilt by now with the lack of protection A Rod is getting.


My only consolation is that Favre will let them down at the hour of midnight, i really cant stand this muppet.
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Post by: mc_grens on November 03, 2009, 06:35:16 PM
Stew... You're not the lad who picked Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay D with his 1st 2 picks in the Fantasy ball, and is currently languishing in last in the Payton conference by any chance?
:P
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Post by: magickingdom on November 03, 2009, 08:49:01 PM
Quote from: stew on November 03, 2009, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: RedBolts on November 02, 2009, 10:22:27 AM
You got to hand it to Favre. Must have been weird enough for him, but he hardly let it show. Great game.

Two significant moments of the game for me: Percy Harvin's touchdown (after two dead-eye passes from Favre), and his kick return in the 3rd qtr that literally dragged the Vikings back into a game that Green Bay were steadily getting on top off.

I don't think we can judge the Rodgers v Favre thing (as people inev. will) based on yesterday's game. The protection Rodgers got esp in the first half was awful. Jared Allen went unopposed at times. It was this loose opening to the game from the Packers that lost it for them.

As for the Chargers, a win is a win. LT doing what he does best against the Raiders, and the Broncos losing keeps divisional hopes alive.

Rodgers is by far the better qb, if Favre was here he would be kilt by now with the lack of protection A Rod is getting.


My only consolation is that Favre will let them down at the hour of midnight, i really cant stand this muppet.

get over it stew, farve is a legend. . .
and theres only one a rod and hes a yankee
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Post by: heganboy on November 05, 2009, 04:18:13 AM
and finally he's a yankee with a ring

there'll be red eyes and sore heads in the morning...
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Post by: MasterShake on November 05, 2009, 04:45:14 AM
Amen to that Heganboy!!
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Post by: mc_grens on November 05, 2009, 10:24:51 AM
He also created Baseball history... First guy to admit bring a steroids cheat and go on to win a ring...
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Post by: heganboy on November 05, 2009, 12:38:08 PM
well actually he tied for that title with Andy Petite the Yankees pitcher.

And he wasn't even close to being the first guy to use steroids to win a ring.
first text I got this morning "the empire strikes back"
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Post by: RedBolts on November 07, 2009, 10:16:54 PM
Any views on tomorrow's NFL games?

I reckon the Texans v Colts could be interesting enough, but I can't look past the Colts in this one unsurprisingly. I think last week will have been a bit of a wake-up call for them. My pick for the Superbowl at this stage. (Think NO might get it tight against Carolina - might be worth a flutter on the panthers)

Chargers v Giants is a tough one to call. The Giants have went to shit the last few weeks and the Chargers are at least beginning to show some form, but they don't look convincing. Rivers v Manning - on current form Rivers. Win would be massive for SD, and might finish NY.

Cowboys v Eagles. Another close one, but Dallas for me look better. Cowboys.
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Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2009, 11:14:32 PM
Colts should win alright, Texans had them beat last year though but for the heroics of Sage Rosenfelds. Giants are falling apart it seems, I'd go with SD. I'd also go with the Cowboys, even though the Eagles looked good beating the Giants at the back of your mind you cant forget that they lost to the Raiders.

Denver and Pittsburgh will be another interesting one, I think the Steeler's are going to come away from Colorado with the win.  Will probably go like the Bronco's last week game against the Ravens. Miami to shock the Pats! maybe not.
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Post by: Capt Pat on November 07, 2009, 11:49:31 PM
The texans lost their potential pro bowl tight end Daniels last week  for the season so that will hold them back against the Colts. At least they might throw his touchdown passes to Andre Johnson and help my fantasy football teams.
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Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 08, 2009, 12:51:29 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 07, 2009, 11:49:31 PM
The texans lost their potential pro bowl tight end Daniels last week  for the season so that will hold them back against the Colts. At least they might throw his touchdown passes to Andre Johnson and help my fantasy football teams.

The Colts lost their All-Pro Safety and starting Cornerback Jackson for the year which should help Houston's air attack and especially with Kevin  Walter healthy (Houston's equivalent to NE Wes Walker). Moats and Slaton make a tough combo to contain on the ground so the Colts can't throw extra players in the box to limit the run since it willinvite an areial attack on two rookie cornerbacks. This should be a great game if you don't like defense............  Colts 36  Texans 31.  The over is 50 take it!!!!!!



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Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2009, 01:01:34 AM
Has anyone gotten Bill Simmons new book yet. I'm thinkin on buying. I love his Sports Guy columns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2009, 08:29:48 PM
Texans are up 17-13.


Johnny Mitchell hasn't a clue.
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Post by: Minder on November 08, 2009, 09:06:07 PM
Mc Grens it's as well I didn't trade you Turner, 18 att -166 yds 2tds !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 08, 2009, 09:25:56 PM
A great day for the Vikings and they didn't play. Chicago and Greenbay look to have lost their games. The Vikings are 3 games ahead with 8 games to play and I don't think it is possible that they could be caught
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Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 09:28:12 PM
Another make or breaker for the Chargers tonight v Giants. Giants in poor form recently but SD unpredictable.
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Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 08, 2009, 09:33:59 PM
Giants cant afford to lose this one. And i cant afford to have them lose either.
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Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2009, 09:58:55 PM
Buccs win!! Carolina beating Saints!! Lions kicking the Seahawks ass'.
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Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
My Pigskin Pick 'em is out the window this week!

Minder, and anyone Im still looking to deal some of my Wide Reciever corps and Matt Forte for RB help. I'm open to sensible offers. Again, I've got 4 top 15 receivers and Forte to deal with.
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Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 08, 2009, 10:04:18 PM
Not surprised some crazy results so far today
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Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2009, 10:17:01 PM
Gates is a beast.
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Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2009, 10:18:30 PM
Just noticed the Bengals beating the Ravans. Cedric Benson has made such a huge difference there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 10:32:14 PM
7-7 at half time. Both sides making fairly typical errors. Little or no rushing from SD. LT hasn't got going yet. Seems to have lost a bit of his menace.
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Post by: Orior on November 08, 2009, 10:39:44 PM
Do you get many away fans at games?

Ever any trouble between fans?

Are the games always a sell-out?
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Post by: Minder on November 08, 2009, 10:47:35 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 08, 2009, 10:39:44 PM
Do you get many away fans at games?

Ever any trouble between fans?

Are the games always a sell-out?

Would be few away fans I would have thought and no trouble between away fans. Games are not always sellouts, really dependent on how well the team is doing and the type of city. Cleveland for example are always well supported but are gash. If a team does not sellout 48hrs (I think) before a game the game is "blacked out" and will not be shown locally by the TV networks.
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Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 11:00:09 PM
Gates is costing SD here. Two standard catches fumbled.
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Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 11:05:58 PM
Still 7-7 - http://www.atdhe.net/9573/watch-san-diego-chargers-vs-new-york-giants
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Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 11:12:11 PM
14-7 Chargers. Indiscipline from Giants defence.

SD are not shaping up in any way as Superbowl contenders. I suppose things can change in December/Jan.
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Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 08, 2009, 11:23:58 PM
17-17 49ers and titans

Chris Johnston with another TD. Pity he is at the titans
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Post by: Orior on November 08, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
My wife's claim to fame (and hence mine) is that her cousin (who is a Giants fan) once hit OJ Simpson with a snowball when he was playing against the Giants.
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Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2009, 11:30:57 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 10:32:14 PM
7-7 at half time. Both sides making fairly typical errors. Little or no rushing from SD. LT hasn't got going yet. Seems to have lost a bit of his menace.

ALL his menace more like. I love the man, but he's done. San Diego need to ship him in the offseason and draft a Back reasonably high. Sproles cannot carry the full load.

On the bright side the D is shaping up nicely. They're getting good pressure against a good O-line without really blitzing too much.
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Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 11:38:49 PM
14-10 SD but Giants pissing all over them. Not looking good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 08, 2009, 11:39:56 PM
td giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
San Diego D is tiring. They've been on the field waayy too long.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 11:45:47 PM
LT's legs definitely gone. Hoping for Overtime.
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Post by: ONeill on November 08, 2009, 11:51:18 PM
Chargers are fairly devoid of ideas now. 14-17 down. 7 mins left.
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Post by: ONeill on November 09, 2009, 12:05:10 AM
2 mins left. 20-14 Giants. Needs perfection by Rivers from here to salvage it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 09, 2009, 12:07:13 AM
Get Hill back in on thurs v the bears. Smith throws his second int of the day. Titans 24 49ers 20. 6 min left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 09, 2009, 12:15:51 AM
Alex Smith you p***k  >:( throws 3rd interception of the game and second of final quarter, game over Titans 34 49ers 20
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Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 09, 2009, 12:17:07 AM
Some drive by Rivers , 80 odd yards in just over a minute and a half and used no timeouts.  sick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 09, 2009, 12:17:35 AM
Memo to Denver... We haven't gone away you know...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 09, 2009, 10:58:19 AM
Vincent Jackson you beauty!! What a drive....get in!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 09, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
Great win for the Cardinals yesterday. It's very inconsistent from them so far, even within games, but when they're good, they can be bloody good.

Bad Loss at home to SF in week 1 followed up by a good win in Jacksonville, then a stomping by Indianapolis, followed by good wins against Houston at home, Seahawks away and Giants away. That made them 4-2, and had me hoping to keep the pressure on against a poor enough Panthers team, who promptly ran all over them to beat the Cards and send them to 4-3. Then a tricky away game in Chicago, and they only go and beat them by 20 points in the Windy City.

Now the Cards stand at 5-3 atop the Division, and with games against Seattle at home, St. Louis away and Tennessee away, you could end up 8-3 easily enough, but more likely to be at best 7-4. Anything is possible with these lads, including 5-6 :D
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Post by: thejuice on November 09, 2009, 12:29:25 PM
Hell of a final drive from SD. With Gates dropping everything I didn't think it was going to happen for them. Giants front 4 needed to come up with the goods again but couldn't.

Giants are so inconsistant. At times they look like the Superbowl winners they were and at other times look like those awkward first few years with Eli. The same could be said of the Chargers however. Made for a great game all the same.

LT just can't do it like he used to. He might be better running outside the tackles or on screen passes but he cant run up the middle and make people miss like he used to.

With the Falcons going to NY in 2 weeks I hope the G-men that show up are the awkward pre-Superbowl version. We took care of the redskins as expected but certainly didn't blow them away. Matt Ryan still has a lot of improving to do. Thankfully Michael Turner is back to his best. Our secondary even got us some scores.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 09, 2009, 01:49:11 PM
I think the old LT would do better under the present circumstances, but I think the O-lines un blocking, particularly on the interior right hand side, has been attrocious. Hopefully the return of Hardwick at C will improve things, but I still think the Bolts need to bite the bullet this summer and move LT on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 09, 2009, 01:59:29 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 09, 2009, 01:49:11 PM
I think the old LT would do better under the present circumstances, but I think the O-lines un blocking, particularly on the interior right hand side, has been attrocious. Hopefully the return of Hardwick at C will improve things, but I still think the Bolts need to bite the bullet this summer and move LT on.

I'd agree...can't find the space up the centre anymore like he used. Sproles can the odd time but can get nailed because of his size. LT will still do a job on screens and sweep passes for the rest of the season though hopfully. Eagles next at home, going to be a big one because going to Denver the week after.
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Post by: Capt Pat on November 09, 2009, 02:30:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 09, 2009, 12:26:52 PM
Great win for the Cardinals yesterday. It's very inconsistent from them so far, even within games, but when they're good, they can be bloody good.

Bad Loss at home to SF in week 1 followed up by a good win in Jacksonville, then a stomping by Indianapolis, followed by good wins against Houston at home, Seahawks away and Giants away. That made them 4-2, and had me hoping to keep the pressure on against a poor enough Panthers team, who promptly ran all over them to beat the Cards and send them to 4-3. Then a tricky away game in Chicago, and they only go and beat them by 20 points in the Windy City.

Now the Cards stand at 5-3 atop the Division, and with games against Seattle at home, St. Louis away and Tennessee away, you could end up 8-3 easily enough, but more likely to be at best 7-4. Anything is possible with these lads, including 5-6 :D

I think Tennessee might be at the start of a miracle comeback. Chris Johnson thinks they can win 10 games in a row after starting 0-6. They did win 10 in a row at the start of last season. They are now 2-6 and with their schedule I wouldn't be surprised to see them finish with a 9-7 record(losing @ the colts)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 09, 2009, 05:29:01 PM
Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson, the head coach and GM of the Green Bay Packers would do well to go into hiding for a few days, they have fcuked up big time with a loss to the O-7 Bucs, they cant keep Rodgers upright, the O line is shite and the so called best WR unit in the land cant break free of their markers.

This is a team in crisis, the O line coach should be gone, as should McCarthy and Thompson, they have lost the run of the team and they are among the most penalised team in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 09, 2009, 07:23:24 PM
Rodgers holds the ball waaayyyy too long, and he's too willing to take the sack. Rivers has just as bad a line and has nowhere near the sacks. When I watched Green Bay last week against The Vikes last week it was all I could do not to scream "throw it away you dummy" at the screen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 10, 2009, 12:24:39 PM
Dear Denver.....Chargers aren't going away. Beat the eagles in San D next week, fun times in Invesco field the week after......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 12, 2009, 08:13:13 PM
Predictions on tonights game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 12, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
Frisco -5
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 13, 2009, 03:47:36 AM
Cant see san fran covering here tho wud like them to cause i took them,the bears hard to brak down
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 13, 2009, 04:36:53 AM
Jay Cutler 0 touchdowns and 5 interceptions. He is not looking like a good acquisition at this point. I know Chicago don't have any great receivers but he was well protected and had no sacks tonight so no real excuses.

They lost 10 points to 6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on November 13, 2009, 04:46:53 AM
You have to give respect to the 49ers D though, rushing Cutler into throws he was never going to make and great picks in the back field.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2009, 07:59:22 PM
Bad result for the Cardinals. Makes Sundays game at home to Seattle all the more important. 1-3 at home this year as well  :o 4-0 on the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
Well its that time of year again, Brady or Manning??

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 13, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
should be some game, good shot of the two of them here. . .


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-farmer-nfl11-2009nov11,0,7029552.column
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2009, 08:38:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 13, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
Well its that time of year again, Brady or Manning??

Brady I reckon. Those colts DBs and Safeties have to be ready to be picked off someday. I reckon Welker and Moss might make hay. Manning might be kicking his heels on the sideline a bit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 13, 2009, 09:15:27 PM
The Cardinals will be ok for sunday, they are inconsistent but have way too much for the Seahawks. The Patriots might win this one I think, they have the most experienced head coach and the Colts have had an easy enough schedule and have only won narrowly against average opposition in the last couple of weeks. The Colts still have Peyton Manning so it should be close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 14, 2009, 12:44:41 AM
I think it all depends on whether the Colts front 4 get pressure on Brady. If not, I can see Pats winning. But you never know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2009, 01:27:56 PM
Whats the difference between Grossman, Orton and Cutler? Cutler cost 2 first round draft picks (though I think Grossman was a first rund pick too  :o)! That was a brutal loss in all fairness. Cutler in fairness does look to have the better tools to be a top QB but I just wonder about his mental toughness. Bears season looks tally fcuked now. Glad I didn't stay up for that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2009, 01:30:13 PM
I think there is every chance the Colts front four will get pressure on Brady with Freeney and Mathis. Freeney is on course for 20 sacks this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 15, 2009, 11:47:18 AM
Been a distanced watcher of the NFL past few yrs, always watch the Super Bowl, and Ely Mannings last QTR drive probably the best sports moment ive ever seen to see the Giants win, that 50yrd throw and catch unreal in the middle of it.  Im a Dolphins fan, but only really check there results. Never really knew the technicals of plays etc....would know pretty much most other things. Find it very entertaining. Dolphins having a mixed yr, gave away a huge lead at New Orleans, and we seem to have serious problems in the final quarter.

Only I dont understand how the fixtures and standings are worked out. Any chance someone can explain it to me?  Do all ye lads know the plays and tactical side of things or is that above yer heads aswell?

Also curious about college football, the crowds are massive, and all the college staduims are 100,000 plus. The NFL franchise staduims arent as big. Why is this the case?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 15, 2009, 12:28:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2009, 01:27:56 PM
Whats the difference between Grossman, Orton and Cutler? Cutler cost 2 first round draft picks (though I think Grossman was a first rund pick too  :o)! That was a brutal loss in all fairness. Cutler in fairness does look to have the better tools to be a top QB but I just wonder about his mental toughness. Bears season looks tally fcuked now. Glad I didn't stay up for that one.


Ya, Seanie I've wondered what sort of influence Cutler is in a dressing room. I was surprised that Denver's new coach looked to trade him on given that he had a very good year last year. There must be more to it than what happens on the pitch. Time will tell whether Chicago or Denver got the better end of the trade there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 15, 2009, 09:38:01 PM
Great win for the Bengals. Would love to see them in the Superbowl. Falcons are losing their grip on a play-off spot. It seems Ryan and Turner cant have good games on the same day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 15, 2009, 09:40:52 PM
Falcons are in the shit.

I'm finding myself in a funny position tonight. Rooting against my fantasy QB and D. I want San Diego to beat Philly. If things go right they could come outta Monday Night Football against Denver leading the AFC West!

Whoda thunk it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 15, 2009, 09:56:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on November 15, 2009, 11:47:18 AM
Been a distanced watcher of the NFL past few yrs, always watch the Super Bowl, and Ely Mannings last QTR drive probably the best sports moment ive ever seen to see the Giants win, that 50yrd throw and catch unreal in the middle of it.  Im a Dolphins fan, but only really check there results. Never really knew the technicals of plays etc....would know pretty much most other things. Find it very entertaining. Dolphins having a mixed yr, gave away a huge lead at New Orleans, and we seem to have serious problems in the final quarter.

Only I dont understand how the fixtures and standings are worked out. Any chance someone can explain it to me?  Do all ye lads know the plays and tactical side of things or is that above yer heads aswell?

Also curious about college football, the crowds are massive, and all the college staduims are 100,000 plus. The NFL franchise staduims arent as big. Why is this the case?

the fixtures are a mess, its all a part of the nfls desire for parity (along with the draft/revenue sharing/salary cap) so that anyone can win on any given sunday supposedly. theres a 7 year cycle where you play the 3 teams in your own division home and away, then 4 teams from another division in your conference then 4 from a division outside your conference depending on where teams finish the previous year. thus good teams one year have a tougher route the next. getit? good....
college football is much cheaper to go to and a lot of ex students will always follow their college teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 15, 2009, 10:04:13 PM
I don't think that's quite right Magic Kingdom. There's only 2 games that depend on your record.

I'll take the Cardinals this year.

Firstly they play home and away against everyone in their division = 6 games.
Then they play 2 home and 2 away against the NFC North = 4 Games
Then they play 2 home and 2 away against the AFC South = 4 Games
Then the strength of schedule games = Panthers and Giants (The other 2 NFC divisions).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 15, 2009, 10:21:05 PM
spot on az, i thought i had gone into enough detail! its up for review at the end of this season as it was introduced in 2002 when the houston texans joined the league
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 15, 2009, 10:41:01 PM
Green Bay 3
Cowboys 0

half time.


Good football chat here, funny stuff:
http://www.bangcartoon.com/show.htm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 15, 2009, 10:47:53 PM
Chargers 14-6 up on the Eagles at HT....and Denver lose again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 15, 2009, 11:02:05 PM
Jared Allen is a legend, great character and player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0r1NITKMNc&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2r49EMRvkw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 15, 2009, 11:03:48 PM
LT is lookin like his old self tonight.

15 carries for 80 odd Yds and 2TDs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 15, 2009, 11:28:33 PM
Is Vincent Jackson on?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 15, 2009, 11:45:44 PM
Same as last week - Chargers wobbling in the last quarter. 28-16 but Eagles dominating. 12 mins. 

If the Chargers somehow see this off, it'd be some clash next week v Denver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 15, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
Chargers 28-23. Wobble wobble. 7 mins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 15, 2009, 11:59:28 PM
Cardinals making very heavy work of the Seahawks. 24-20 with 11.20 left. 189 yard in penalties between the two of them, split 50-50 almost. Sloppy, very sloppy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2009, 12:14:53 AM
Chargers are going to do it O'neill. LT 4 yards off 100 :(

Mac Gearailt has caught a TD for the Cards. 11 points up with 6 to go. Come on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 16, 2009, 12:22:02 AM
Yep, hairy enough though. 31-23.

Next week a big one. After Denver, SD have 2 relatively easy games. 3 out of 4 on the road though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 16, 2009, 04:46:27 AM
Colts remain unbeaten.  What a game 35-34
Whats was New England at going for a pass on 4th and 2  with 2 mins left ?? Although manning had come up the field for a TD just before in 1 min 30 something.
Best game of the year by far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 16, 2009, 04:49:40 AM
Game of the season without a doubt Carmen! Some finish!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 16, 2009, 05:32:04 AM
Great stuff really enjoyed that game tonight.
Still cant get over Billacheat going for the fourth and two.  Why didnt he just kick it to the other end of the field? Glad to see it but :D 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 16, 2009, 05:47:56 AM
Cheers AZ and Magickingdom, just couldnt make head nor tail of the structure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 16, 2009, 08:23:20 AM
Looked like a hell of a game. That 4th and 2 was bizarre. Almost worked though. Colts are some team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 16, 2009, 10:28:14 AM
Colts are looking very good. Manning is unbelievable. What were Pats at though in fairness...Might not be last Pats Colts game of the year anyways!! Can't wait for San D Vs Denver game next week now!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 16, 2009, 12:04:45 PM
Two great college football clips from youtube....prob have seen them b4 though!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD380XDs-NY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QabcCwSAvfo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on November 16, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2009, 08:23:20 AM
Looked like a hell of a game. That 4th and 2 was bizarre. Almost worked though. Colts are some team.

interesting piece by micheal tomasky in the guardian as to why billichek was statistically right to go for it .

saints at 9-0 now but not a convincing performance , playoffs beckon though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 16, 2009, 12:15:32 PM
Quote from: RogerMilla on November 16, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2009, 08:23:20 AM
Looked like a hell of a game. That 4th and 2 was bizarre. Almost worked though. Colts are some team.

interesting piece by micheal tomasky in the guardian as to why billichek was statistically right to go for it .

saints at 9-0 now but not a convincing performance , playoffs beckon though

Read that alright. He actually said he was crazy to go for it, some Burke guy had the stats to say he was right. Nice bit at the end about Billichek was "his usuall a*sh*le self at the end of the match shaking the colts managers hand for .31 seconds as if it was a dead mackerel"....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 16, 2009, 01:09:07 PM
I know the 4th and 2 decision is going to dominate alot of the coverage of this game, but I think that does the Colts a disservice.

If they had punted Manning would have had around 1:30 and a timeout to drive the field for a TD- something he is the best in the league at.

More impressive to me was that despite their extensive injury list the Colts still found a way to win. Mathis was superb, the forced fumble on Maroey on the goal line was a huge play (can't remember who did it), and Peyton Manning is by a country mile the MVP so far this season. This just in- he's fantastic.

AND the only opponent on the Colts remaining schedule with a winning record is the Broncos. They could run the table more easily than the Saints, barring the now inevitable Manning sit for the seasons last game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 16, 2009, 01:24:07 PM
I think we might well see another Colts v Pats game in the playoffs yet. Some comeback all the same considering they were 17 points down early in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on November 16, 2009, 01:55:03 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 16, 2009, 12:15:32 PM
Quote from: RogerMilla on November 16, 2009, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2009, 08:23:20 AM
Looked like a hell of a game. That 4th and 2 was bizarre. Almost worked though. Colts are some team.

interesting piece by micheal tomasky in the guardian as to why billichek was statistically right to go for it .

saints at 9-0 now but not a convincing performance , playoffs beckon though



Read that alright. He actually said he was crazy to go for it, some Burke guy had the stats to say he was right. Nice bit at the end about Billichek was "his usuall a*sh*le self at the end of the match shaking the colts managers hand for .31 seconds as if it was a dead mackerel"....

;D you have to hate bellichek  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 16, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
Indeed....always nice to see the Pats beaten...primarily because of him. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on November 16, 2009, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 16, 2009, 01:09:07 PM

If they had punted Manning would have had around 1:30 and a timeout to drive the field for a TD- something he is the best in the league at.


true but you have to trust your defence , what message did that send out to them ?
i dont trust you on the big plays?

manning utter class though, a pleasure to watch the colts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 16, 2009, 02:15:29 PM
Quotetrue but you have to trust your defence , what message did that send out to them ?
i dont trust you on the big plays

My thoughts exactly. We dont think your good enough to stop a 60yrd TD drive in 90seconds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 16, 2009, 04:24:21 PM
I agree with both of you, Im more making the point that despite it not being his very best game he could have beaten them had Bellichik taken his other option.

I'm bigging up the Colts more than anything.

I think it came down to Bill trusting Brady to make the 2 yds than anything else!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 17, 2009, 09:02:24 PM
Jauron canned by the Bills
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2009, 10:06:26 PM
Disappointing season for the Bills, hard luck on auld Dick.

Bit of a mad weekend in the NFL, with Pats going for 4th and 2 when winning on their own 30 and Maurice Jones Drew deliberately kneeling down 1 yard out rather than scoring a touchdown because it allowed time to run out before kicking a 21 yard field goal instead. If they missed the Field Goal the coach would have been shot.

Plus about 300,000 injuries as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 17, 2009, 10:13:30 PM
cant believe that LJ was picked up already...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2009, 10:16:24 PM
That's another weird one alright, but I suppose the Bengals rehabilitated Cedric Benson, maybe they can do the same with Johnson. He's some lala though. I doubt they'll use him much, and there might be an element of keeping him away from other teams. A good few teams lost running backs on Sunday.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 17, 2009, 10:17:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 17, 2009, 09:02:24 PM
Jauron canned by the Bills

about time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 17, 2009, 10:45:27 PM
Without out doubt.....the most unbelievable play i've ever seen in American football!!! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbzQoXuxdU&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 17, 2009, 11:30:45 PM
That play is unbelievable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 18, 2009, 12:26:41 AM
Them boys are playing the wrong sport! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2009, 12:53:34 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 18, 2009, 12:26:41 AM
Them boys are playing the wrong sport! :D

Was that netball?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 22, 2009, 02:33:24 PM
Whats games are on sky sports tonight?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 22, 2009, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 22, 2009, 02:33:24 PM
Whats games are on sky sports tonight?

Colts at Ravens then Chargers at Broncos. Two good games on paper.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 22, 2009, 02:44:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2009, 02:40:15 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 22, 2009, 02:33:24 PM
Whats games are on sky sports tonight?

Colts at Ravens then Chargers at Broncos. Two good games on paper.

Big game for the Broncos.  Not very confident tbh and need a win or we go behind in the division and I would say that would be the beginning of the end.  Lost a three game lead in the division for the second year in a row.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on November 22, 2009, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 17, 2009, 10:45:27 PM
Without out doubt.....the most unbelievable play i've ever seen in American football!!! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbzQoXuxdU&feature=player_embedded

Savage stuff!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 22, 2009, 02:59:20 PM
Chargers going well at the moment.  Is Orton fit to start for the Broncos?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 22, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 22, 2009, 02:59:20 PM
Chargers going well at the moment.  Is Orton fit to start for the Broncos?

"Game time decision", no word yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 03:13:55 PM
Hyped for this and the fact it's on the oul phone for free is great.

Chargers by 8
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 22, 2009, 03:14:13 PM
Well i will leave my decision to then.  If Orton dont start Chargers should be a banker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 22, 2009, 03:56:09 PM
Looking forward to the 49ers v packers. A must win game to keep going the slim chance of winning the nfc west. A wildcard is looking like the best chance. Smith and the recievers will need to have a great game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2009, 05:44:18 PM
any telly showing the jets v patriots?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2009, 05:49:14 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 17, 2009, 10:45:27 PM
Without out doubt.....the most unbelievable play i've ever seen in American football!!! :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbzQoXuxdU&feature=player_embedded

great play that balinaman....  now where did i see that before? check out the opening post from oct 28, 2007 shortly after the event itself!  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ArmaghLedd on November 22, 2009, 09:11:39 PM
magickingdom, since five only show a repeat from the match day before and sky sports 3 shows,  2-3 matches a sunday night well I went in search off a website that I could watch live NFL matches and I found a few but the best by for is

http://www.atdhe.net/index.html

When it comes up click live sports at the top of screen and just look for any match that is on! ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2009, 09:27:49 PM
thanks armaghledd, tried justin tv a few times lately but no luck...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
First blow to the Chargers. I wonder how Simms will react to that. His first attempt sacked. Rivers looking sharp.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 22, 2009, 10:03:27 PM
Chris Simms isn't even the first cousin of his Dad.  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:04:07 PM
He is holding the ball too long in the pocket.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:05:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:04:07 PM
He is holding the ball too long in the pocket.

Tommy McGuigan was at that all year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:07:42 PM
Looks like Orton is coming in for Simms.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:15:49 PM
Chargers 13-0.

They've wobbled in the third and fourth this last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 22, 2009, 10:26:18 PM
Not much wrong with that ankle* some great passing by Orton, makes some difference. Pity about the fumble though.

*until some D-lineman lands on it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
Lads, do you ever get sides who prefer to play the 4th down no matter what?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:30:10 PM
Serious turnovers there against Denver. Chargers should be further ahead. 13-0 at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
Lads, do you ever get sides who prefer to play the 4th down no matter what?

The only time they will really go for it is if they are behind near the end of the game and have no choice. If you go for it on your own 30 yd line and fail the opposition get the ball on your 30 so you are fcuked. All about field position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 22, 2009, 10:37:07 PM
Gona be a long trip down the road for the jets today,beware the wounded tiger and tom brady,coming out flying today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 22, 2009, 10:42:34 PM
Big Ben injured tonight. Chiefs beat them in Overtime. Bengals have that division. Falcons have dropped behind the Packers Giants and Cowboys. Though we could have taken the Giants tonight even without Turner. We need to sort out our defence in the off-season but we also need to get another big threat receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2009, 10:54:43 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
Lads, do you ever get sides who prefer to play the 4th down no matter what?

The only time they will really go for it is if they are behind near the end of the game and have no choice. If you go for it on your own 30 yd line and fail the opposition get the ball on your 30 so you are fcuked. All about field position.

i take your point about field position minder but but i'm still amazed that teams dont go for it on 4th down early in games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 22, 2009, 10:59:15 PM
Merrimen hitting Orton below the knee. What a kn**ker that lad is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
Lads, do you ever get sides who prefer to play the 4th down no matter what?

The only time they will really go for it is if they are behind near the end of the game and have no choice. If you go for it on your own 30 yd line and fail the opposition get the ball on your 30 so you are fcuked. All about field position.

So what is the given yardage from the EZ that a side will decide to go for it in normal circumstances - 5 yrds?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 11:20:09 PM
Denver's discipline is worse than Ballinderry's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 11:22:48 PM
LT is in some form - seems to be carrying injury still but still a better option than Sproles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 22, 2009, 11:25:29 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 11:14:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2009, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 22, 2009, 10:27:39 PM
Lads, do you ever get sides who prefer to play the 4th down no matter what?

The only time they will really go for it is if they are behind near the end of the game and have no choice. If you go for it on your own 30 yd line and fail the opposition get the ball on your 30 so you are fcuked. All about field position.

So what is the given yardage from the EZ that a side will decide to go for it in normal circumstances - 5 yrds?

no way 5 yards unless you have to... 1 or 2 max early in the game imo. you get it you get a bit of mommentum going and you never know. right now nobody tries on 4 th down unless less they have to
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ArmaghLedd on November 24, 2009, 07:55:28 PM
no problem magickingdom ;D

I see chargers overcome the broncos to become top team in AFC West woopa! :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 06:03:02 PM
Football all evening.  ;D  Detroit lead 7-0 nearing the end of the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 26, 2009, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 06:03:02 PM
Football all evening.  ;D  Detroit lead 7-0 nearing the end of the 1st quarter.

The packers will win this game going away i would imagine, Crosby has a big leg but he is not tat accurate and he could yet cost the packers the day.

Prediction, Pack 34 Lions 17.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
Great pass by Rogers to end the first quarter.

Rushing touchdown for the Packers.

Now 7-7.

I'd say your right Stew, Green Bay will run away with this now I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 06:14:28 PM
Anyone know where you can get good streams to watch NFL games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 26, 2009, 06:41:09 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 06:14:28 PM
Anyone know where you can get good streams to watch NFL games?

People were using this one at the weekend, click on Live Sports at top of page

http://www.atdhe.net/index.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
Another field goal.

13-7 with a minute remaining in the half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 26, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
The night game will be on www.nfl.com

giants vs. broncos
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 07:59:43 PM
27-7 Packers.  Gameover.

The next game wont be any better either, The bloody Raiders.  Should be any easy win for the Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 07:59:43 PM
27-7 Packers.  Gameover.

The next game wont be any better either, The bloody Raiders.  Should be any easy win for the Cowboys.

Go Raiders!!!!!

Ye never know with them, usuually absolute turd but put up a great performance against Bengals on Sunday plus they have finally benched Russel so who knows
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 07:59:43 PM
27-7 Packers.  Gameover.

The next game wont be any better either, The bloody Raiders.  Should be any easy win for the Cowboys.

Go Raiders!!!!!

Ye never know with them, usuually absolute turd but put up a great performance against Bengals on Sunday plus they have finally benched Russel so who knows

I hope they put up a great fight and its a really good tight game of football, but obviously in the end I hope they lose.  ;)

You get that stream to work?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
You get that stream to work?

Some fella is iceskating on one and the other is the tennis.

Have you got one that works?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
You get that stream to work?

Some fella is iceskating on one and the other is the tennis.

Have you got one that works?

I have Sky Sports so I'm ok.  Maybe try google?  I'm not really sure where to get one, but try a few American Football forums, I'm sure theres a few more looking for a stream.

Lions lose again.  Green Bay 34 - 12 Detroit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 26, 2009, 09:26:55 PM
Ah she's workin now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2009, 10:51:11 PM
17-0.  Another one sided game here...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 26, 2009, 11:12:56 PM
poor choice of games alright. Giants could even squash the Bronco's tonight as well. I think there is some talent in the Raiders, its just such a bad organisation. With the right coach and maybe if Al Davis takes a back seat they could go somewhere. If Bill Cowher took that job they could go places.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2009, 12:06:28 PM
How about them Bronco's. Are the Giants done for the year now. Not mathematically, but I reckon thats them finished.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 27, 2009, 12:24:37 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 27, 2009, 12:06:28 PM
How about them Bronco's. Are the Giants done for the year now. Not mathematically, but I reckon thats them finished.

Aye, fair play to them. Turing into a bit of a sorry season for the Giants after the good start, even though they were playing poor teams at the start it has to be said. AFC west could go down to the wire now....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 27, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 27, 2009, 12:06:28 PM
How about them Bronco's. Are the Giants done for the year now. Not mathematically, but I reckon thats them finished.

Have they the Cowboys next?  I'd say they are finished.  Good win for the Broncos, keeps them in with a chance of the playoffs, but the Chargers will win at the weekend so this was a big game for us.  Still have the Chiefs to play twice and the Raiders so hopfully a few wins there but you never know.  Broncos defense were brilliant, Dumervil had a very good game. Orton played will except for the one pick, Marshall and Moreno were great on the offense.  I said before the start of the season with all the drama that was going on I would take and be very happy ending the season at 8-8 again, as I thought that could be the best we could hope for and even then maybe it was expecting too much, especially after losing Cutler.  But now I have a small bit more hope for this team, especially with the schedule in front of us.  Go Broncos!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
In new york at the minute and im trying to get tickets to go see the jets because they are the only team who are playing in new york tomorrow. Anyway the cheapest ticket to go see a pretty shit team in NFL play is f**king $95, what a joke. I thought the gaa have been ripping the ass out of it lately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

Ah now, Brett Favre? Not Michael Vick, Pacman Jones or Sebastian Janikowski?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
In new york at the minute and im trying to get tickets to go see the jets because they are the only team who are playing in new york tomorrow. Anyway the cheapest ticket to go see a pretty shit team in NFL play is f**king $95, what a joke. I thought the gaa have been ripping the ass out of it lately.

altho i agree there overpriced you'd have paid more yesterday for irelands rugby game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 29, 2009, 02:56:40 PM
Hope the saints can do it to be honest. Their offense has been brilliant all year but I do worry abou that defense against Brady and co. Should be close just like the colts and pats the other week
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 29, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
Jim buy yourself a two hundred dollar ticket and come watch green bay for $58.00  :P

I will never go to another NFL game, it is as boring as feck and it takes two hours too long, it is a far better spectacle from the comfort of your living room.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
In new york at the minute and im trying to get tickets to go see the jets because they are the only team who are playing in new york tomorrow. Anyway the cheapest ticket to go see a pretty shit team in NFL play is f**king $95, what a joke. I thought the gaa have been ripping the ass out of it lately.

altho i agree there overpriced you'd have paid more yesterday for irelands rugby game

Yeah rugby is a complete joke aswell but at least its an international match. The price for going to watch club games in rugby are nothing like the price you would pay for NFL. I would have prefared to go to a college game but cant find any games that are on close to new york and i leave on tuesday. Going to do wat stew says and sit in the house and watch the games.

Also what division of college football does Norte Dame play in. Its bloody confusing this American football craic
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 06:44:32 PM
Anyone know where I can listen or watch to the Falcons game live? Couldn't find any links on Justin TV. Matt Ryan had to leave the game with an ankle injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 29, 2009, 06:48:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 06:44:32 PM
Anyone know where I can listen or watch to the Falcons game live? Couldn't find any links on Justin TV. Matt Ryan had to leave the game with an ankle injury.

Try this Juice, click on "live sports" at top of screen and choose your poison

http://www.atdhe.net/index.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 07:04:20 PM
tried that one already minder, just gets one of those TV testing screens when I click on Falcons-Buccs. Does it work for you.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 07:57:38 PM
Ryan out and he is now joined by Turner. Falcons are in serious trouble. Lose tonight and we are definitely out of the race.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
In new york at the minute and im trying to get tickets to go see the jets because they are the only team who are playing in new york tomorrow. Anyway the cheapest ticket to go see a pretty shit team in NFL play is f**king $95, what a joke. I thought the gaa have been ripping the ass out of it lately.

altho i agree there overpriced you'd have paid more yesterday for irelands rugby game

Yeah rugby is a complete joke aswell but at least its an international match. The price for going to watch club games in rugby are nothing like the price you would pay for NFL. I would have prefared to go to a college game but cant find any games that are on close to new york and i leave on tuesday. Going to do wat stew says and sit in the house and watch the games.

Also what division of college football does Norte Dame play in. Its bloody confusing this American football craic

notre dame lost to stanford sat night (in cal). what division? all nd teams are ncaa div 1 but its not like you know it. there are a number of conferences but nd are one of the few independent teams due to the fact that their football program is the richest and they got a national following (even got their own tv deal) and have a national schedule where they play teams from different conferences.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on November 29, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
I saw the Florida - Florida State game at the weekend.

Tim Tebow is some pup. The quarterback is literally a god-send for preachers trying to make religion hip and trendy.

Also, the drummers were fantastic. Makes it a real carnival. Wish I could get to one of those games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 10:33:04 PM
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2009/11/29/florida-vs-florida-state-the-day-in-photos/

tebow is a great guy. . i love the 'tiger was my ride to the game' poster
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 29, 2009, 10:50:35 PM
Chargers flying.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JimStynes on November 30, 2009, 05:04:14 AM
What does everyone think of ocho cinco? i think hes hilarious, complete idiot but some of the videos on youtube of him talking trash and messing around are hilarious. Need people like that in the game. Is there any good books or documentary type programs that anyone can recommend me. I seen that film 'Blind side' in the cinema the other night and thought it was a great story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 30, 2009, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 30, 2009, 05:04:14 AM
What does everyone think of ocho cinco? i think hes hilarious, complete idiot but some of the videos on youtube of him talking trash and messing around are hilarious. Need people like that in the game. Is there any good books or documentary type programs that anyone can recommend me. I seen that film 'Blind side' in the cinema the other night and thought it was a great story.

to actually change your name to ocho cinco, he must be away with the fairies
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on November 30, 2009, 10:17:39 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 10:33:04 PM
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gatorbytes/2009/11/29/florida-vs-florida-state-the-day-in-photos/

tebow is a great guy. . i love the 'tiger was my ride to the game' poster

His girlfriend aint half bad either

(http://watchmojo.com/blogs/images/tim_tebow_girlfriend2.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on November 30, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
Ocho cinco and Lucy Pinder? A lady for the hot woman thread it has to be said!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2009, 05:43:00 PM
I think he meant Tebow and Pinder - but this is Tebow's bird

(http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/2/7/2762ab7ec971fc8e656a7609888d2176_tim%20tebow%20lucy%20pinder.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 30, 2009, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: mikasas on November 30, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
Ocho cinco and Lucy Pinder? A lady for the hot woman thread it has to be said!

Ocho is a pub hound, loves the publicity and all that but he is said to be a real good lad behind it all and an excellent team mate, the man loves to laugh and sure why not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 01, 2009, 02:29:03 AM
Saints and patriots isnt dissapointing i hafta say  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bod Mor on December 01, 2009, 04:36:21 AM
All the talk about Brady v Manning. Brees is twice the quarterback they'll ever be :)

Brady 0 TDs, 2 Interceptions
Brees 5 TDs, 0 Interceptions ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 01, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

didnt get seeing the game but Brees must have been fantastic, as he has been all year. After the first few games i would have said they would go close but wont win the bowl because the defense just isnt up to it.  However over the last 4 weeks or so that defense has really stepped up so who knows...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 01, 2009, 01:12:44 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on November 29, 2009, 02:51:02 PM
Quote from: JimStynes on November 29, 2009, 06:27:37 AM
In new york at the minute and im trying to get tickets to go see the jets because they are the only team who are playing in new york tomorrow. Anyway the cheapest ticket to go see a pretty shit team in NFL play is f**king $95, what a joke. I thought the gaa have been ripping the ass out of it lately.

altho i agree there overpriced you'd have paid more yesterday for irelands rugby game

Yeah rugby is a complete joke aswell but at least its an international match. The price for going to watch club games in rugby are nothing like the price you would pay for NFL. I would have prefared to go to a college game but cant find any games that are on close to new york and i leave on tuesday. Going to do wat stew says and sit in the house and watch the games.

Also what division of college football does Norte Dame play in. Its bloody confusing this American football craic

notre dame lost to stanford sat night (in cal). what division? all nd teams are ncaa div 1 but its not like you know it. there are a number of conferences but nd are one of the few independent teams due to the fact that their football program is the richest and they got a national following (even got their own tv deal) and have a national schedule where they play teams from different conferences.

more on notre dame

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/sports/ncaafootball/01weis.html?hpw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cookstownblue on December 01, 2009, 01:22:54 PM
Went to the Vikings games at the weekend- Farve is the man!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AMyou were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.


Far from it - their defence is all at sea sometimes - they are what   ...... 1-4 away from Foxboro - people need to realise that they aren't the team that went 16-0 a few years back

Take a look at some of the teams they've beaten - Tampa Bay and Tennessee were both 0-6 when the Pats played them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AMyou were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.


Far from it - their defence is all at sea sometimes - they are what   ...... 1-4 away from Foxboro - people need to realise that they aren't the team that went 16-0 a few years back

Take a look at some of the teams they've beaten - Tampa Bay and Tennessee were both 0-6 when the Pats played them

Absolutely. They'll win their division, but I don't think they'll get a first round bye, and I can see them going down on the road to Indy or San Diego on the playoffs. They just have too many holes. I also font see the sane ruthlessness in Belichik these days as in years past... He pulled all his starters with 6 minutes to play last night. That would never have happened 3 years back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 03, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Bills vs Jets in Toronto tonight - managed to pick up 4 tickets for the price of 1  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 03, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 03, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Bills vs Jets in Toronto tonight - managed to pick up 4 tickets for the price of 1  :o

Why is it in Toronto?? Like international series in London or something?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 03, 2009, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AMyou were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.


Far from it - their defence is all at sea sometimes - they are what   ...... 1-4 away from Foxboro - people need to realise that they aren't the team that went 16-0 a few years back

Take a look at some of the teams they've beaten - Tampa Bay and Tennessee were both 0-6 when the Pats played them

Absolutely. They'll win their division, but I don't think they'll get a first round bye, and I can see them going down on the road to Indy or San Diego on the playoffs. They just have too many holes. I also font see the sane ruthlessness in Belichik these days as in years past... He pulled all his starters with 6 minutes to play last night. That would never have happened 3 years back.

It is amazing that the Patriots have holes with all the draft picks they seem to have every year. Maybe they should actually use some and get some good players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 03, 2009, 07:59:20 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 03, 2009, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 03, 2009, 05:58:36 PM
Bills vs Jets in Toronto tonight - managed to pick up 4 tickets for the price of 1  :o

Why is it in Toronto?? Like international series in London or something?

Buffalo is only about an hour away and 25% of Bills seaon ticket holders live here. Plus the Bills are struggling to sell out games.

So the owner of the Blue Jays basically paid $80million to hold 8 Bills games in his stadium over the next 5 years - with the possibility of the team relocating here for good shortly after that it things go well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 03, 2009, 08:47:42 PM
Interesting piece about it in the NY Times today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/sports/football/03bills.html?_r=1&ref=sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 03, 2009, 09:07:00 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 03, 2009, 07:38:41 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 02:56:47 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2009, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AMyou were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.


Far from it - their defence is all at sea sometimes - they are what   ...... 1-4 away from Foxboro - people need to realise that they aren't the team that went 16-0 a few years back

Take a look at some of the teams they've beaten - Tampa Bay and Tennessee were both 0-6 when the Pats played them

Absolutely. They'll win their division, but I don't think they'll get a first round bye, and I can see them going down on the road to Indy or San Diego on the playoffs. They just have too many holes. I also font see the sane ruthlessness in Belichik these days as in years past... He pulled all his starters with 6 minutes to play last night. That would never have happened 3 years back.

It is amazing that the Patriots have holes with all the draft picks they seem to have every year. Maybe they should actually use some and get some good players.

Well when they last won the Super Bowl their defence was getting pretty old. They have drafted younger guys in defence but it will take them time to get the formula right. Their secondary especially is very inexperienced at the moment though bar the veteran Bodden and they were picked apart by Brees but they will get better. The Pats don't tend to take high draft picks though. They prefer to trade down in order to get more picks further down the draft and trust that they can unearth some gems down there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 03, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

The Pats are not right, Brady is not right since the injury but I have to believe that they will make the playoffs and go on a run, they are too good to be playing this badly.

Manning is a great QB but Brady has had the better career, 3 superbowl wins to Mannings one. Manning needs at least two to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady or Starr or Montana.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 03, 2009, 09:17:31 PM
Quote from: stew on December 03, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

The Pats are not right, Brady is not right since the injury but I have to believe that they will make the playoffs and go on a run, they are too good to be playing this badly.

Manning is a great QB but Brady has had the better career, 3 superbowl wins to Mannings one. Manning needs at least two to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady or Starr or Montana.

If Indy didnt have Manning they wouldnt be half the team. I would take Manning before Brady any day of the week. Its not an individual sport so you cant say one was greater because they won more Superbowls.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 03, 2009, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 03, 2009, 09:17:31 PM
Quote from: stew on December 03, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

The Pats are not right, Brady is not right since the injury but I have to believe that they will make the playoffs and go on a run, they are too good to be playing this badly.

Manning is a great QB but Brady has had the better career, 3 superbowl wins to Mannings one. Manning needs at least two to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady or Starr or Montana.

If Indy didnt have Manning they wouldnt be half the team. I would take Manning before Brady any day of the week. Its not an individual sport so you cant say one was greater because they won more Superbowls.

In fairness to Brady the Pats won superbowls with some fairly average wide receivers. Manning has had guys like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to work with. Brady never had a truly top class WR to throw to until Randy Moss arrived.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 03, 2009, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 03, 2009, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 03, 2009, 09:17:31 PM
Quote from: stew on December 03, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

The Pats are not right, Brady is not right since the injury but I have to believe that they will make the playoffs and go on a run, they are too good to be playing this badly.

Manning is a great QB but Brady has had the better career, 3 superbowl wins to Mannings one. Manning needs at least two to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady or Starr or Montana.

If Indy didnt have Manning they wouldnt be half the team. I would take Manning before Brady any day of the week. Its not an individual sport so you cant say one was greater because they won more Superbowls.

In fairness to Brady the Pats won superbowls with some fairly average wide receivers. Manning has had guys like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to work with. Brady never had a truly top class WR to throw to until Randy Moss arrived.

Very true. But those Pats teams were built on D and balanced attack. This years Colts are thus far undefeatwd with no run game and no secondary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on December 04, 2009, 01:25:45 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 03, 2009, 11:41:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 03, 2009, 10:35:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 03, 2009, 09:17:31 PM
Quote from: stew on December 03, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

The Pats are not right, Brady is not right since the injury but I have to believe that they will make the playoffs and go on a run, they are too good to be playing this badly.

Manning is a great QB but Brady has had the better career, 3 superbowl wins to Mannings one. Manning needs at least two to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady or Starr or Montana.

If Indy didnt have Manning they wouldnt be half the team. I would take Manning before Brady any day of the week. Its not an individual sport so you cant say one was greater because they won more Superbowls.

In fairness to Brady the Pats won superbowls with some fairly average wide receivers. Manning has had guys like Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to work with. Brady never had a truly top class WR to throw to until Randy Moss arrived.

Very true. But those Pats teams were built on D and balanced attack. This years Colts are thus far undefeatwd with no run game and no secondary.

Given the choice between the two I would still take Brady for a better big game temperament, no one Id like more if you needed to go down the field late in a big game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 06, 2009, 07:59:09 PM
Vick with a rushing TD against..........the Falcons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 06, 2009, 09:25:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 06, 2009, 07:59:09 PM
Vick with a rushing TD against..........the Falcons.

'man bites dog story'  ;D

the saints just tied with the skins....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 06, 2009, 11:05:14 PM
Chargers flying at the minute. Gates on fire. Still not convinced they're anywhere near SB material yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 06, 2009, 11:12:03 PM
Gates averaging over 20yds a reception tonight. Chargers will be very dangerous in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 07, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
Miami win in a great game against the Pats. Henne looks like he will be a very good quarterback.

♫♫ Miami has the Dolphins, the greatest football team! They take the ball from goal to goal, like no one's ever seen! They're in the air, they're on the ground, they're always in control! And, when you say Miami, your talking Super Bowl!!!! Cause we're the Miami Dolphins! Miami Dolphins! Miami Dolphins #1! ♫♫

Worst song ever ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 07, 2009, 01:44:22 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 06, 2009, 11:05:14 PM
Chargers flying at the minute. Gates on fire. Still not convinced they're anywhere near SB material yet.

Some of the talking heads on sports radio in NYC are predicting a Chargers-Saints superbowl. Just saying - I'm nowhere near qualified to critique them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 07, 2009, 08:49:12 AM
Raiders beat the Steelers!!

Phins beat the Pats!!

Giants Beat COwboys!

Eagles smashed Falcons  :-[ we're still in contention but only feels like a stay of execution.

Still a good weekend. This has been an unpredictable year for the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 07, 2009, 08:54:50 AM
I have a sneaky feeling that the Cowboys can bounce back and get close...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 07, 2009, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: stew on December 03, 2009, 09:14:03 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 01, 2009, 07:53:04 AM
Quote from: stew on November 29, 2009, 05:26:23 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 29, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Pats or Saints this weekend?

Feeling the Saints will do it.

Nah they wont, the Pats are the class of the field and the have thrown away two games already the year. Prediction, Pats 34 Saints 27.

Brees is a stud however and as long as the hated vikings and that cnut favre dont win it all I wil be happy enough, he is the poster child for all that is wrong with american sports imo.

you were right about Brees, but the Pats, all season, have looked far from the class of the field.

As for Brees, he's been great when called on this year, but the keys for the Saints have been improved D under Gregg Williams, and better offensive balance.

Manning on the other hand puts his undefeated team on his shoulders every single week. When he leaves the game we'll be calling him the Greatest Of All Time, and we'll be right!

The Pats are not right, Brady is not right since the injury but I have to believe that they will make the playoffs and go on a run, they are too good to be playing this badly.

Manning is a great QB but Brady has had the better career, 3 superbowl wins to Mannings one. Manning needs at least two to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady or Starr or Montana.

Pats aren't good enough. They simply don't have the horses on D. They need to come out of this years draft with 4/5 potential defensive starters AND Wilfork. They need front 7 players badly. At the moment they have no pass rush, and can't stop anyone on the road.

Belichick seems resigned to this:
a) I believe he traded Seymore for the #1 from Oakland because he knew they had no pass rush regardless, and was already down on his D.
b) the decision to go for it on 4th and 2 against the Colts screamed "I don't think my D can stop Peyton Manning"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 10:13:44 AM
Chargers struggled home in the end, things were starting to look dodgy there for s minute. I'm still not sure about their playoff credentials yet. Weddle will be a big loss if his knee injury is serious, Merriman too but hopefully his foot injury isn't too bad, defence struggled a little without them. Dallas game should be good, Cowboys look beatable. Showdown with Bengals then to see who gets a playoff bye then perhaps, will be interesting!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 07, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Did anyone see the Nebraska/Texas game on Saturday night? Suh for Nebraska looks like an unbelievable prospect, if Nebraska had any type of offense they would have won, Suh just dominated that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on December 07, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Did anyone see the Nebraska/Texas game on Saturday night? Suh for Nebraska looks like an unbelievable prospect, if Nebraska had any type of offense they would have won, Suh just dominated that game.

Ya it was class alright, Texas QB was very close to getting done with the clock running out at the end. Field goal just about sneaked in too. Suh was unbelievable though, did he have 5 sacks or something like that in the end?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 07, 2009, 01:58:44 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on December 07, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
Did anyone see the Nebraska/Texas game on Saturday night? Suh for Nebraska looks like an unbelievable prospect, if Nebraska had any type of offense they would have won, Suh just dominated that game.

Ya it was class alright, Texas QB was very close to getting done with the clock running out at the end. Field goal just about sneaked in too. Suh was unbelievable though, did he have 5 sacks or something like that in the end?

"But Suh and friends did all they could to make it happen. The defensive tackle was credited with 4 1/2 of the team's nine sacks. He had seven of Nebraska's 18 tackles for loss"

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/1613628.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 07, 2009, 02:11:22 PM
How 'bout them Cards? They gave Favre and the Vikes a bit of a kicking last night in Arizona. Great win. I was afraid they'd be 7-5 this morning, but 8-4 is nice to see. Away to the 'Niners next week, and if they win that, they clinch the division. They have the 'Niners and Lions away, and then the Rams and Packers at home to finish out. 10-6 would be an achievable aim with that schedule, the Niners wil lbe tough in San Fran, and you know they'll lose at least one of the other 3. Anything better than 10-6 would be a great season for the Cardinals, especially since they've actually lost very winnable games (home v SF, away v Tennessee, home to Carolina). Consistency is still a bit of an issue but they are playing hard, and winning big games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 07, 2009, 05:12:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 07, 2009, 02:11:22 PM
How 'bout them Cards? They gave Favre and the Vikes a bit of a kicking last night in Arizona. Great win. I was afraid they'd be 7-5 this morning, but 8-4 is nice to see. Away to the 'Niners next week, and if they win that, they clinch the division. They have the 'Niners and Lions away, and then the Rams and Packers at home to finish out. 10-6 would be an achievable aim with that schedule, the Niners wil lbe tough in San Fran, and you know they'll lose at least one of the other 3. Anything better than 10-6 would be a great season for the Cardinals, especially since they've actually lost very winnable games (home v SF, away v Tennessee, home to Carolina). Consistency is still a bit of an issue but they are playing hard, and winning big games.

The muppets around Green Bay are predicting that the pack can still win the division because as we al know the packers will win their last rake of gaes and the viqueens will lose every one of theirs.  ::)

Good to see Favre having the usual december stinker against a really good zona team. ;D

The Pats defense is shoite, Belicheks call agin the colts is making more sense now. The Pats might not make the playoffs.  :'(

Good luck to the Pack tonight, this will be some game, prediction,  Pack 24-Baltimore 20. Rodgers will get hammered in this game, most likely by Lewis and may well be done for the year, he wont finish the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
Stew you're really butt hurt about Favre! :)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 07, 2009, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
Stew you're really butt hurt about Favre! :)

I just think he is the single most arrogant sportsman in American history, and that takes some doing. He never wanted to be in Green Bay and he manipulated things thinking he would get to go to Minnesota, instead he got traded to the Jets, great start there then he fell apart, he retired for the fifty fourth time and asked to be released, they released him, took him at his word, he shafted them and got to go to Minnesota. I hope he get his feckin legs broke, he is the poster child for greed and narcissm in todays american athlete. Put simply, I despise the bastid.

Ogh yeah, I am not and never have been a Packer fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
I think we just have a completely different outlook on him.

Maybe Im ignorant, but if he never wanted to be in greenbay, what the hell was he there for so long for?

I think he bled green and white for that packers team. Who could ever forget his MNF performance after his father died?

I cant see his greed or his narcissim. I just see a man who loves the game and plays like he's got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 07, 2009, 07:26:36 PM
Favre gave some performance in There's Something About Mary though in fairness :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 07, 2009, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
I think we just have a completely different outlook on him.

Maybe Im ignorant, but if he never wanted to be in greenbay, what the hell was he there for so long for?

I think he bled green and white for that packers team. Who could ever forget his MNF performance after his father died?

I cant see his greed or his narcissim. I just see a man who loves the game and plays like he's got nothing to lose.

He did want to be in Green Bay up until he officially re-retired in 2007, he was also a tremendous player fr the Packers and gave them his all until the end of the 2006-07 season.

He has lost the majority of the people of this town with his antics, he has lied about the way he was treated, spoke publically about the Pack not going after Randy Moss and has done his best to harm the reputation of Ted Thompson, his former GM.

Favre has been trying to get traded away from the Pack for several years, first he retired again, they asked him back and flew down to meet with him, he said no, they announced that they had a new starter in Rodgers and made plans to retire Favres Jersey at the first game if the 2007 season.

Favre then got his wife( an awful annoying bitch btw) to do his talking for him, his brother and Bus Cook, his agent also flapped his gums about how the Packers disrespected him and didnt want him there blah blah blah, the upshot was that the Packers denied this and had chartered a plane to fly down and meet with him again when a few hours before they took off, his annoying bitch of a wife told them not to bother coming, that Burt was staying retired, the pack said OK and announced Rodgers as the starter.

No sooner had they done this than Favre unretired and decided he was going to show the Packers up, in essence he was going to force a trade, he accused the Packers of forcing his retirement and in fairness after this happened they panicked and offered him a 20 million dollar bribe to stay retired and be an ambassador for them for ten years.

The Pack ask him to stay away from training camp because of the circus it will involve and Favre refuses, the Packers had previously offered him the opportunity to win the starting role but Burt thought that he was to good for that and blamed the Packers of disrespecting him yet again.

Brett then decides he is getting traded to Minnesota, the Packers say feck that and trade him to the Jets, Favre lights it up until mid season and then gives them nothing, leaving them a mess and surprise, a divided locker room.

Favre now re-re-re-re -re-re retires again, asks for his release, gets it on his word that he is definitely done, promptly unretires and is found to be actively talking to the Vikings about playing for them, Green Bay goes ape shit, the jets dont care but they have a bad taste in their mouths and then Favre pulls his greatest stunt of all, he decides he again, and for the fourth time no longer has the desire to play football, cries at another press conference and that is that.

Well not exactly, the second, and I mean second training camp is over the hoor is flying to Minneapolis, signing a contract and pissing off his new team mates, you know, the men who bursted their holes t get ready for the season, the Vikings cut a QB to make room for this maggot and as of now the man has played well, that said he was shite yesterday and he will never, ever win  a superbowl again despite having the most talented team in the country.

I despise this guy, he is all that is wrong with American sports, greed, self interest, self promotion, to me he is a shell of his former self, since his da died he has made mistake after mistake and I cannot wait until the playoffs to see that maggot get tore up and I guarantee you this, when he is beaten he will be on TV with a beat to shit baseball cap on announcing to the world that he thinks he is done blah blah blah. Bring it on burt, you will be done soon enough.

P.s. I used to like this guy, I played in front of him at a golf outing once and he was good craic, no more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 07, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
gee stew tell us what you really think about brett and his lovely wife, he's a footballer ffs. now what about that tiger woods? your looking for stand up guys in all the wrong places, their not there to be your role model. wake up to professional sports, i think farve is a legend on the field and dont care within reason what he does off it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: stew on December 07, 2009, 09:06:48 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
I think we just have a completely different outlook on him.

Maybe Im ignorant, but if he never wanted to be in greenbay, what the hell was he there for so long for?

I think he bled green and white for that packers team. Who could ever forget his MNF performance after his father died?

I cant see his greed or his narcissim. I just see a man who loves the game and plays like he's got nothing to lose.

He did want to be in Green Bay up until he officially re-retired in 2007, he was also a tremendous player fr the Packers and gave them his all until the end of the 2006-07 season.

He has lost the majority of the people of this town with his antics, he has lied about the way he was treated, spoke publically about the Pack not going after Randy Moss and has done his best to harm the reputation of Ted Thompson, his former GM.

Favre has been trying to get traded away from the Pack for several years, first he retired again, they asked him back and flew down to meet with him, he said no, they announced that they had a new starter in Rodgers and made plans to retire Favres Jersey at the first game if the 2007 season.

Favre then got his wife( an awful annoying bitch btw) to do his talking for him, his brother and Bus Cook, his agent also flapped his gums about how the Packers disrespected him and didnt want him there blah blah blah, the upshot was that the Packers denied this and had chartered a plane to fly down and meet with him again when a few hours before they took off, his annoying bitch of a wife told them not to bother coming, that Burt was staying retired, the pack said OK and announced Rodgers as the starter.

No sooner had they done this than Favre unretired and decided he was going to show the Packers up, in essence he was going to force a trade, he accused the Packers of forcing his retirement and in fairness after this happened they panicked and offered him a 20 million dollar bribe to stay retired and be an ambassador for them for ten years.

The Pack ask him to stay away from training camp because of the circus it will involve and Favre refuses, the Packers had previously offered him the opportunity to win the starting role but Burt thought that he was to good for that and blamed the Packers of disrespecting him yet again.

Brett then decides he is getting traded to Minnesota, the Packers say feck that and trade him to the Jets, Favre lights it up until mid season and then gives them nothing, leaving them a mess and surprise, a divided locker room.

Favre now re-re-re-re -re-re retires again, asks for his release, gets it on his word that he is definitely done, promptly unretires and is found to be actively talking to the Vikings about playing for them, Green Bay goes ape shit, the jets dont care but they have a bad taste in their mouths and then Favre pulls his greatest stunt of all, he decides he again, and for the fourth time no longer has the desire to play football, cries at another press conference and that is that.

Well not exactly, the second, and I mean second training camp is over the hoor is flying to Minneapolis, signing a contract and pissing off his new team mates, you know, the men who bursted their holes t get ready for the season, the Vikings cut a QB to make room for this maggot and as of now the man has played well, that said he was shite yesterday and he will never, ever win  a superbowl again despite having the most talented team in the country.

I despise this guy, he is all that is wrong with American sports, greed, self interest, self promotion, to me he is a shell of his former self, since his da died he has made mistake after mistake and I cannot wait until the playoffs to see that maggot get tore up and I guarantee you this, when he is beaten he will be on TV with a beat to shit baseball cap on announcing to the world that he thinks he is done blah blah blah. Bring it on burt, you will be done soon enough.

P.s. I used to like this guy, I played in front of him at a golf outing once and he was good craic, no more.

Jesus stew did 5iveTimes ghost write this for you? :o


We'll have to disagree so!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 07, 2009, 09:37:32 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on December 07, 2009, 09:17:05 PM
gee stew tell us what you really think about brett and his lovely wife, he's a footballer ffs. now what about that tiger woods? your looking for stand up guys in all the wrong places, their not there to be your role model. wake up to professional sports, i think farve is a legend on the field and dont care within reason what he does off it

I am not looking for stand up guys, I am talking about one man who makes everything about him, he has never been accountable for the issues he has had and I could say a lot more on here about him but whats the point.

Favre tried to ruin the Packers organization's reputation, he called the GM and head coach liars ( it was proven they didnt lie) and he lied and cheated his way to getting his way and in the process hurt the Jets.

As for Favre being a legend on the field, to some extent that is true but there has never been a more over-rated player in NFL history. He has thrown more interceptions than anyone else in history and has one, count em, one superbowl to his credit, he is not half the player Montana was or Brady or Manning are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
Ack stew - brady is a donkey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/16iclrc.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 07, 2009, 10:28:33 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 09:38:25 PM
Ack stew - brady is a donkey.


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Legend has it he is hung like one but he is a three time superbowl champion and is a far superior player than Favre ever was, not only that but he is coming off a really bad injury that laid him up for over a year, next year he will be back to full fitness and he will be a year smarter, Favre will only be a year older, kn**ker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 10, 2009, 06:36:15 PM
Genius or just nuts?

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=418129246625874017&hl=en#
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 10, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 10, 2009, 06:36:15 PM
Genius or just nuts?

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=418129246625874017&hl=en#

Brilliant!!

I like number 6 on this list....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqOSPXgtGB4

This play is pretty special too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqhGs4SHSJk
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on December 10, 2009, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 07, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/16iclrc.jpg)

:D :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 11, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
whats happened the steelers . the lost 13-6 to the browns last night. big ben sacked 8 times . no one had the browns in the payton conference but they would have got their owner 26 points  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on December 11, 2009, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 11, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
whats happened the steelers . the lost 13-6 to the browns last night. big ben sacked 8 times . no one had the browns in the payton conference but they would have got their owner 26 points  :o

I would have originally put their form down to the loss of Polamalu, but this is getting a bit beyond a joke for them now. Hangover kicking in from last year maybe - they're in big trouble now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 11, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
Quote from: RedBolts on December 11, 2009, 10:29:46 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 11, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
whats happened the steelers . the lost 13-6 to the browns last night. big ben sacked 8 times . no one had the browns in the payton conference but they would have got their owner 26 points  :o

I would have originally put their form down to the loss of Polamalu, but this is getting a bit beyond a joke for them now. Hangover kicking in from last year maybe - they're in big trouble now.
They aren't going to make the playoffs anyways, last 3 games are packers,ravens and dolphins. 5 straight losses. No chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 11, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
Browns have maybe blown their chance of #1 pick in the draft
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on December 11, 2009, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 07, 2009, 06:01:12 PM
I think we just have a completely different outlook on him.

Maybe Im ignorant, but if he never wanted to be in greenbay, what the hell was he there for so long for?

I think he bled green and white for that packers team. Who could ever forget his MNF performance after his father died?

I cant see his greed or his narcissim. I just see a man who loves the game and plays like he's got nothing to lose.

he is a legend , coming out of rehab to win a superbowl, a record for consecutive games played , playing after his father died , and now this year he looks to be the missing link at the vikes..

that being said, i wouldnt like to be his coach , i think he likes to call all the shots..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 11, 2009, 10:40:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 11, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
Browns have maybe blown their chance of #1 pick in the draft
NFL network thought maybe it wasn't such a bad thing! Curse of the 1st round pick the last few years...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 13, 2009, 06:15:21 PM
Heading to the big NFC East game tonight between Giants and Eagles.  Giving a bad night for it but that wont matter as my tickets are for Suite 133a, really looking forward to it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 13, 2009, 07:01:35 PM
Massive Chargers game tonight. Might get the beer in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 13, 2009, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 13, 2009, 06:15:21 PM
Heading to the big NFC East game tonight between Giants and Eagles.  Giving a bad night for it but that wont matter as my tickets are for Suite 133a, really looking forward to it!

great carmen, you need a bad day/night for those suites! i was a corporate box in the oakland coliseum once but the weather outside was hot and sunny and i felt cheated!! enjoy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 13, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
Cutler set a Bears record today - most interceptions by a Bears QB in a season since 1949 and there's still 3 games to go! He had some good moments too - much like how the whole season has been. Is it all down to him? Bears fans seem to be pretty annoyed with Ron Turner the offensiv co-ordinator. Why is he the problem? Is it done to bad coaching and play calling or bad execution? The cheeseheads move on but I find it hard to see them doing much in the post season with that o-line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 13, 2009, 09:43:09 PM
Chris Johnson of the Titans looks like he will break Eric Dickersons single season rushing record. He is averaging over 6 yds a carry for the season which is unreal. He has already scored tonight on a 39yd run and a 66yd pass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 14, 2009, 12:23:07 AM
Chargers march on. Defence held up for a change.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 14, 2009, 03:52:31 AM
Carmen got some game tonight... 37-31 with 5 mins still to go in the 3rd  :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 14, 2009, 04:17:22 AM
Quote from: new devil on December 14, 2009, 03:52:31 AM
Carmen got some game tonight... 37-31 with 5 mins still to go in the 3rd  :o :o


Super game alright devil. Scores a plenty!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on December 14, 2009, 07:59:56 AM
what about them 13-0 saints , just need to fend the vikes off now for dome field advantage .
watched the dallas game then , hard to feel sorry for them !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on December 14, 2009, 09:24:30 AM
Come on you eagles-with Jackson we have the most dangerous offence in the league!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 14, 2009, 10:33:51 AM
Quote from: mikasas on December 14, 2009, 09:24:30 AM
Come on you eagles-with Jackson we have the most dangerous offence in the league!

Watch yer house mikasas, the Fíor Gaels won't like that.  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on December 14, 2009, 11:25:17 AM
What the Irish speaking gaels wont like that I mentioned the word we in reference to the American football team that I support, having spent quite a length of time in Philadelphia!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on December 14, 2009, 11:51:14 AM
Have you not been here long?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on December 14, 2009, 12:13:14 PM
Been here quite a while, but I couldn't care less about the some of the so called Gaels on this Board that are anti everything!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on December 14, 2009, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 13, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
Cutler set a Bears record today - most interceptions by a Bears QB in a season since 1949 and there's still 3 games to go! He had some good moments too - much like how the whole season has been. Is it all down to him? Bears fans seem to be pretty annoyed with Ron Turner the offensiv co-ordinator. Why is he the problem? Is it done to bad coaching and play calling or bad execution? The cheeseheads move on but I find it hard to see them doing much in the post season with that o-line.

Bears fans are pretty peed off at Ron Turner alright. The blame used to always fall on the qb, see Grossman, Orton, Griese but Cutler has shown he can be very productive under a good coach and now Orton is playing pretty well with a good coach so its coming back on Turner. Ortons comments in Denver "Ive learned more in 4 months under McDaniels than i did in 4 years in Chicago" say it all. Turners record, be it in the NFL or a college team, he has always ranked in the bottom half for total offensive yards. Cutler has been talking up WR Aromashodu(spel) all year saying hes looks to have the making of a No 1 receiver but Turner only gave him 2-3 snaps a game. He must have got a few more last night cos he finished up with 8-76-1TD against the no 3 ranked passing D. I think Turner will get the road in the offseason, maybe Lovie too...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 14, 2009, 01:12:40 PM
Didn't play particularly well last night but still managed to win which good. Goal line stand and the Faulks missed field goal was the difference in the end. Doing well out of sky this year, bengals game next week on the box too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 14, 2009, 02:40:19 PM
Quote from: declan85 on December 14, 2009, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 13, 2009, 09:14:50 PM
Cutler set a Bears record today - most interceptions by a Bears QB in a season since 1949 and there's still 3 games to go! He had some good moments too - much like how the whole season has been. Is it all down to him? Bears fans seem to be pretty annoyed with Ron Turner the offensiv co-ordinator. Why is he the problem? Is it done to bad coaching and play calling or bad execution? The cheeseheads move on but I find it hard to see them doing much in the post season with that o-line.

Bears fans are pretty peed off at Ron Turner alright. The blame used to always fall on the qb, see Grossman, Orton, Griese but Cutler has shown he can be very productive under a good coach and now Orton is playing pretty well with a good coach so its coming back on Turner. Ortons comments in Denver "Ive learned more in 4 months under McDaniels than i did in 4 years in Chicago" say it all. Turners record, be it in the NFL or a college team, he has always ranked in the bottom half for total offensive yards. Cutler has been talking up WR Aromashodu(spel) all year saying hes looks to have the making of a No 1 receiver but Turner only gave him 2-3 snaps a game. He must have got a few more last night cos he finished up with 8-76-1TD against the no 3 ranked passing D. I think Turner will get the road in the offseason, maybe Lovie too...

I think when Lovie took back control of the Defense it was a brave step and while they have improved this season they're still a little off what Bears fans were used to. Injuries no doubt can be blamed for a lot of it, Urlacher alone would make a big difference. What annoyed my admittedly untrained eye this season on offense is the complete disintegration of the run game. Forte is possibly having a little bit of second season syndrome but no-one else is doing it either. People say the o-line is bad but they're better than GB's and they can and do run the ball. sometimes you have to keep running the ball even if you're not making yardage but this hasn't happened. Not Bears football.

Aromashodu probably got extra game time due to Hester being out. Cutler likes him and Knox alright. Knox has a bit to learn but looks like he is willing to learn and Cutler is always talking to him, bringing him on. There's always next year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 15, 2009, 09:57:23 AM
AZOffaly will not be a happy camper me thinks...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 15, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
The bears O-line is absolutely worse than Green Bay's. The Packers have gotten injured lads back and improved in the last 4-5 weeks. That is why they've been on a run. Also while GB's line was awful in protection earlier in the season, run blocking is a different skill, and they were ok at that.

The Bears are up there with Buffalo and Washington as one of the worst O-lines in the league both in protection and run blocking. Awful. A mix of lads who are passed it and lads who never had it. Also they've been playing from behind so much that Forte has been sidelined as a runner because they've been forced to pass. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 15, 2009, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 15, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
The bears O-line is absolutely worse than Green Bay's. The Packers have gotten injured lads back and improved in the last 4-5 weeks. That is why they've been on a run. Also while GB's line was awful in protection earlier in the season, run blocking is a different skill, and they were ok at that.

The Bears are up there with Buffalo and Washington as one of the worst O-lines in the league both in protection and run blocking. Awful. A mix of lads who are passed it and lads who never had it. Also they've been playing from behind so much that Forte has been sidelined as a runner because they've been forced to pass.

Grand, I'll bow to your better knowledge on that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 15, 2009, 11:43:23 AM
great win last nite, gore and willis were outstanding. Never seen warner play as bad before, the 49ers defence was unbelievable. Play-off hopes still just about alive. Need dallas to lose to saints and eagles to have a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 15, 2009, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 15, 2009, 11:42:03 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 15, 2009, 11:05:50 AM
The bears O-line is absolutely worse than Green Bay's. The Packers have gotten injured lads back and improved in the last 4-5 weeks. That is why they've been on a run. Also while GB's line was awful in protection earlier in the season, run blocking is a different skill, and they were ok at that.

The Bears are up there with Buffalo and Washington as one of the worst O-lines in the league both in protection and run blocking. Awful. A mix of lads who are passed it and lads who never had it. Also they've been playing from behind so much that Forte has been sidelined as a runner because they've been forced to pass.

Grand, I'll bow to your better knowledge on that.

Sorry. I can be a wee bit opinionated!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 15, 2009, 05:12:04 PM
Didn't mean it to come across that way and I certainly wouldn't be one to criticise anyone for being opinionated. I'm a fan of the game and the Bears but there are many things I don't really understand - like the difference between the o-line pass protection and run protection. I just figured if you were able to bully the guy in front of you then great, otherwise no. I suppose you need to move them out of the way for the run as opposed to fending them off for pass protection.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 15, 2009, 05:28:36 PM
Thats about right.

Run blocking means the O-line explode off the line of scrimmage to try knock the D-Line backwards and if possible knock them down and make further blocks downfield. There's also pulling-guards that can be utilised but I wont get into that now.

Pass protection is about forming a pocket of protection around the QB and picking up the blitz. This sometimes invlolves both running backs.

Some O-linemen are better at one or the other and will leave the field if required though some are great at both and are therefore more of an advantage strategically.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 16, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: thejuice on December 15, 2009, 05:28:36 PM
Thats about right.

Run blocking means the O-line explode off the line of scrimmage to try knock the D-Line backwards and if possible knock them down and make further blocks downfield. There's also pulling-guards that can be utilised but I wont get into that now.

Pass protection is about forming a pocket of protection around the QB and picking up the blitz. This sometimes invlolves both running backs.

Some O-linemen are better at one or the other and will leave the field if required though some are great at both and are therefore more of an advantage strategically.

The main thing is that each requires a slightly different skill set.

A good run blocker is a Monster lad who is explosive going forward and massively strong. Not necessarily laterally quick or particularly good using their hands. Typical guard material. When you hear the American commentators talk about "a road grader type" this is what they mean. Big huge f**king guys who can slow down Albert Haynesworth types.

A pass blocker needs to have good lateral quickness as well as strength, and needs to use their hands well too. These lads go up against the Freeneys, Wares, and Merrimans of this world- the most impressive athletes in the NFL are without a doubt rush outside linebackers and Defensive Ends. You want a prototypical tackle to be strong, tall, wide, have good lateral quickness, good hands, and brute strength. The reason a left tackle is do important is that the other teams best rusher typically lines up at right DE or right OLB. Also the left tackle is usually protecting a right handed QB's back or blindside. Last thing you want is your $100 million QB getting hit from behind on a regular basis by Shawne Merriman!

The problem GB had earlier this year was that they had to move so many OL men around to cover positions they weren't suited to, harming the cohesiveness of the group. On top of that the overall talent level of the line dropped due to injuries.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on December 16, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 15, 2009, 11:43:23 AM
great win last nite, gore and willis were outstanding. Never seen warner play as bad before, the 49ers defence was unbelievable. Play-off hopes still just about alive. Need dallas to lose to saints and eagles to have a chance.

saints need to beat dallas to clinch home field . big game in NO
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 16, 2009, 11:07:05 AM
which two games are on sky sports on sunday?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 16, 2009, 11:14:56 AM
Saturday

Dallas at New Orleans

Sunday

6pm
Miami at Tenessee

9pm
Cincinnati at San Diego
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 16, 2009, 11:27:40 AM
fcuk, thought the 49ers eagles game might have been on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2009, 11:36:19 PM
Chris Henry WR for the Cincinatti Bengals has apparently passed away this afternoon after a car accident in Charlotte, NC

:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 17, 2009, 04:32:07 AM
Henry is still alive

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4749165&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 17, 2009, 03:39:22 PM
I'd read an erroneous report last night when I posted that

He has just passed away now though

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/12/17/henry.ap/index.html?eref=BrkNews
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 17, 2009, 03:51:13 PM
that is a crazy story
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 17, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
Just heard that. Its terrible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 17, 2009, 05:21:30 PM
RIP Chris Henry. He seemed to be turning his life around and realising his unquestioned potential. An awful shame that such a talented man has passed away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2009, 10:17:09 PM
There have been some amount of NFL players that have died/seriously injured or put in the clink in their prime for various reasons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 17, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
A lot of it would have to do with the backgrounds they come from and then all off a sudden have all this money... a lot of them can't handle it

They was a tv programme about the bangels on here during the summer..he seemed like a nice guy RIP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2009, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 17, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
A lot of it would have to do with the backgrounds they come from and then all off a sudden have all this money... a lot of them can't handle it

They was a tv programme about the bangels on here during the summer..he seemed like a nice guy RIP

Mmm, he seemed to have settled down a bit but a judge once described him as "a one man crime wave".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 18, 2009, 08:42:00 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 17, 2009, 11:09:16 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 17, 2009, 10:23:38 PM
A lot of it would have to do with the backgrounds they come from and then all off a sudden have all this money... a lot of them can't handle it

They was a tv programme about the bangels on here during the summer..he seemed like a nice guy RIP

Mmm, he seemed to have settled down a bit but a judge once described him as "a one man crime wave".

It has been said before, you can take the man out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the man. Prime example is Pacman Jones.

Like New Devil stated the exuberant amount of money these young guys receive with next to nothing prior is overwhelming. Although with every PacMan Jones there are about 10-20 young men who put their money back into their community, schools or charities.

Take Warrick Dunn for example   http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/09/01/dunn.donate/

Charles Woodson of the Packers    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-woodsonsgift&prov=ap&type=lgns

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 19, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
Good news for Chad Ochocinco........http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/19/nflpa-says-it-will-pay-ochocincos-fine-if-he-wears-no-15/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2009, 08:03:54 PM
Go Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2009, 09:32:56 PM
SD look good for a TD in every play this last few weeks. Only took 4 mins tonight. Gates on form again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 20, 2009, 09:43:08 PM
Anyone got a link to the raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2009, 09:49:49 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 19, 2009, 10:50:43 PM
Good news for Chad Ochocinco........http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/19/nflpa-says-it-will-pay-ochocincos-fine-if-he-wears-no-15/

He just scored one hell of a TD. Great moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 20, 2009, 09:57:03 PM
The bengals are up for this,i didnt know what way they would react,chad is the man alrite
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2009, 09:57:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 20, 2009, 09:32:56 PM
SD look good for a TD in every play this last few weeks. Only took 4 mins tonight. Gates on form again.

Spoke too soon. Bengals defence on top of Rivers at every play. Cincinatti looking stronger.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 20, 2009, 10:09:14 PM
7-3 eagles, this game is winnable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 20, 2009, 10:28:11 PM
Chargers 14-13 at half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 20, 2009, 10:59:18 PM
20-3 eagles HT.

Ive said this before, fcuk u alex smith. He has thrown 3 int in one half. Bring in Hill or Nate Davis, they couldn't do any worse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 21, 2009, 12:22:10 AM
Finished 27-24, Kaeding 53 yarder with 6 secs left. Looking good for a bye now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on December 21, 2009, 08:21:51 AM
cowboys really put it up to the saints but happily carolina destroyed the vikes so saints still on course for the home field advantage..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on December 21, 2009, 11:53:57 AM
Fly eagles fly on the road to vistory, soar eagles soar, hit a touchdown 1-2-3, here we go!!!!
Cowboys deffo made things interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 21, 2009, 12:57:02 PM
Lets hear it for your back to back NFL West Champion Arizona Cardinals!!!!!

Go Cards. Now we wait for the inevitable 0-3 finish :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 21, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
huge game for the giants tonight, they edge the tie breaker with the cowboys so it could be interesting yet...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 21, 2009, 10:21:53 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on December 21, 2009, 09:16:24 PM
huge game for the giants tonight, they edge the tie breaker with the cowboys so it could be interesting yet...

The advantage lies with the Packers, the boys are next in line and then the giants.

How the packers lost that game yesterday is a mystery to me, the steelers tried to lose and the pack still lost the ballix's.

Charles Woodson hardly see a ball all day, they threw to the opposite side of the field and did damage.

Favre was brutal yesterday and refused to leave the game when told to by the coach. He really is a p***k of the highest order.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 21, 2009, 11:12:52 PM
stew, giants have swept the cowboys so if it comes down to the two of them then bye bye cowboys. green bay must screw up first tho
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 22, 2009, 04:10:08 AM
Are the Giants playing well or is it just washington are that bad i cant decide here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 22, 2009, 04:19:10 AM
Giants finally got there running game going again..but redskins are horrible, thank god  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on December 22, 2009, 08:42:27 AM
Quote from: stew on December 21, 2009, 10:21:53 PM

Favre was brutal yesterday and refused to leave the game when told to by the coach. He really is a p***k of the highest order.

have to say i like the fella or at least respect him , but i have often heard he is a coach-killer , great time for him to come off the rails though so the saints can clinch hoem field ,

i saw on PTI that ochocinco is changing his name again !!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 22, 2009, 09:04:33 AM
Quote from: RogerMilla on December 22, 2009, 08:42:27 AM
Quote from: stew on December 21, 2009, 10:21:53 PM

Favre was brutal yesterday and refused to leave the game when told to by the coach. He really is a p***k of the highest order.

have to say i like the fella or at least respect him , but i have often heard he is a coach-killer , great time for him to come off the rails though so the saints can clinch hoem field ,

i saw on PTI that ochocinco is changing his name again !!

jaysus what to this time?

was ragin with that saints result at the weekend but obviously favre ballsed up and looks like the saints should secure home field advantage now ok.

getting very close to the playoffs now. who's the tips to win it? i'm obviously backing the saints but i think i would take a wee bet on the chargers too...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on December 22, 2009, 09:09:22 AM
have to fancy the colts really , mannings done it before and he wants to close in on brady.
they are a serious team. would love to see one of the other AFC teams take them out on the way though to leave it clear for the saints..

chargers looking very good alright , if the giants sneak in i expect them to do well in the playoffs, if the cowboys get in then i expect an early exit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 22, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
The Eagles will win the Superbowl, you heard it here first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 22, 2009, 11:10:44 AM
Giants for me...unreal in the 1st quarter tonight..hopefully starting to peak at the right time like 2 years ago  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 22, 2009, 01:34:39 PM
the Cowboys for me lads  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 22, 2009, 01:39:27 PM
Colts V Eagles superbowl for me. Injuries going to have to catch up on San Diego sometime sadly!!
AFC Championship game Colts V Chargers
NFC Championship game Eagles V Packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 22, 2009, 03:10:56 PM
Dont forget the Steelers. They haven't gone away you know!

Would like to see a Bengals - Saints Superbowl. To be honest I'm finding it hard to make a prediction. Every team has shown some vulnerability. And in the post-season sometimes form just goes out the window.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 22, 2009, 03:36:11 PM
Interesting story in Sports Illlustrated this month.

QuoteFormer NFL star Dave Pear is sorry he ever played football

Dave Pear has a message for you.

"Don't let your kids play football," he says. "Never."

It is an odd thing, hearing these sort of words from a man like David Louis Pear, University of Washington standout, Pro Bowl defensive lineman for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Super Bowl champion with the Oakland Raiders. His five-year NFL career was one thousands of high school and college athletes would envy -- charging out of a darkened stadium tunnel, 70,000 fans screaming for you, loving you, praising you, idolizing you.

"You wanna know the truth?" says Pear.

The question lingers -- the 56-year-old ex-athlete preparing to unload one more skull-splitting hit.

"I wish I never played football. I wish that more than anything. Every single day, I want to take back those years of my life ..."

The words are not subtle. They spit from Pear's mouth, with a blistering contempt normally reserved for drunk drivers. We are speaking via phone. I am in New York, sipping a hot chocolate, leaning back in a chair. My two young children are asleep. A Pretenders song, "2000 Miles," plays in the background. No worries, no complexities. Pear is sitting at his home in Seattle. His neck hurts. His hips hurt. His knees hurt. His feet hurt. When he wakes up in the morning, pain shoots through his body. When he goes to sleep at night, pain shoots through his body. What does Pear do to stay active?

"My life is simple," he says. "It's hard to get out of bed, but eventually I do. I try and do a little walking on the treadmill. I take naps. I go to physical therapy once per week. I read my Bible."

He is, in basic terms, a train wreck -- a football-inflicted train wreck. Pear walks with a cane and, often, simply doesn't walk at all. He suffers from vertigo and memory loss. Over the past 18 years, he has undergone eight surgeries, beginning with a Posterior Cervical Laminectomy on his neck in 1981, and including disc removal and rod fusion in his back (1987), arthroplasty in his left hip (2008) and, earlier this year, four screws removed from his lower back. Though he chalks up his physical ailments to snap after snap of punishment, he pinpoints the biggest problems back to 1979 and '80, his final two NFL seasons. While playing for Oakland, Pear suffered a herniated disc in his neck that never improved. Despite the unbearable agony, he says the Raiders urged him to keep playing.

Be a man! Be tough! "Those last two years in Oakland were very, very difficult times," he says. "I was in pain 24 hours per day, and my employers failed to acknowledge my injury. Sure, I won a Super Bowl ring. But was it worth giving up my health for a piece of jewelry? No way. Those diamonds have lost their luster."

Throughout North America, many of Pear's retired football brethren hear his words and scream, Amen! Conrad Dobler, the legendary Cardinals offensive lineman, is about to go through his 32nd knee surgery. Wally Chambers, the Chicago Bears' three-time Pro Bowl defensive end, spends much of his time in a wheelchair. Earl Campbell, the powder blue bowling ball, struggles to walk and underwent surgery to remove three large bone spurs. The list is both heartbreaking and never-ending -- one NFL player after another after another, debilitated either mentally, physically, or both. I'm currently working on a book that has led me to interview more than 150 former players. I'd say 60 percent experience blistering pain from a sport they last played two decades ago.

"And the NFL," Pear says, "doesn't care."

Hence, he is fighting back. Two years ago, Pear started a blog, davepear.com, with the intent of supporting hobbled NFL veterans and calling out the league's laughable disability policy. Pear says he first applied for disability benefits in 1983, and was denied. He applied again in 1995, under a new provision that stated players would be compensated should they properly prove their injuries were permanently debilitating. A league-appointed physician examined Pear and filed a report stating that a man who once bench pressed 500 pounds could no longer sit, stand or bend for prolonged time periods.

To Pear's shock and dismay, benefits were again denied.

Finally, in 2009, Pear's request was accepted, and he now receives a whopping $40,000 annually. "Am I financially stable?" he asks with a laugh. "Let's put it this way. By the time I was 27 I had two children and medical bills that would reach $500,000. I can't work, my wife, Heidi, has had to hold two and sometimes three different jobs at the same time. And why? Because the NFL hasn't allowed me and my family to receiver proper benefits."

Pear pauses. He worries that he sounds like a typical whiner -- some ex-jock who didn't appreciate making it big. "This isn't even about me," he says. "It really isn't. There are guys so much worse off than me, it's criminal. We dreamed our whole lives to play professional football, and our dreams came true. And then they turn into nightmares."

Pear is blunt, like a rusty dental knife. He considered Gene Upshaw, the former NFL Players Association executive director, to be a criminal. "He was Ken Lay," he says of the deceased Enron CEO. "Same thing -- took all the veterans he supposedly represented for a ride." He holds out hope that Upshaw's replacement, DeMaurice Smith, might make things right. "I'm keeping an open mind," he says. "I hope Mr. Smith looks at the retired players and sees the wreckage.

"We need help," he says.

A long, painful sigh.

"We need help."


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 22, 2009, 03:53:21 PM
Handy page for you to put in your expected results and it organises the play-offs for you.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=currentstandings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=currentstandings)

I've got the Colts and Chargers getting byes in the AFC with the Steelers @ Patriots and the Ravens @ Bengals in the wild card games.

In the NFC the Saints and Vikings get byes with the Packers @ Cardinals and the Eagles @ Cowboys in the wild card games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on December 22, 2009, 04:54:11 PM
Eagles will never win the Superbowl with a black QB.  I'm not being racist but McNabb and other Black QB's play a different game than a Brady or a Manning.  It gets them so far but doesn't take them over the finish line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 22, 2009, 05:06:21 PM
A bit prejudiced against McNabb there. He is not that type of black quarterback imho. I think they won't win it because they are short a few players with Westbrook injured all the time and other injuries on defense and they are still short 1 more good wide receiver.

I am a Vikings fan and will give them a mention for the superbowl. They have stunk the place up in 2 of the last 3 games, but I don't think either game was reprasentative of their true form. Their form against the Bengals in the game in between is their true level imho. I just don't see the Saints getting to the superbowl and think the main threat to the Vikings might be the hot and cold Cardinals who can play like 2 different teams from one game to the next or even one half to the next.

The Colts look the best in the AFC, but they did lose to the Chargers last year in the playoffs. If not the Colts i think that if the Patriots or Steelers get to the post season they will be a different animal to what they been in the  regular season.

Vikings v Colts with the Vikings winning 34  points to 31 with a Longwell field goal with 5 seconds left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 22, 2009, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 22, 2009, 04:54:11 PM
I'm not being racist but McNabb and other Black QB's play a different game than a Brady or a Manning.

that does sound quite prejudiced, ask Doug Williams
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2009, 03:02:22 AM
Chargers very impressive tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 26, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 26, 2009, 03:02:22 AM
Chargers very impressive tonight.
Ya, it was good to see alright, aided by the Titans beating themselves with the turnovers and penalties it has to be said though. Great to have the number 2 seed nailed, 2 weeks rest will be useful!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 26, 2009, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 26, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 26, 2009, 03:02:22 AM
Chargers very impressive tonight.
Ya, it was good to see alright, aided by the Titans beating themselves with the turnovers and penalties it has to be said though. Great to have the number 2 seed nailed, 2 weeks rest will be useful!

Johnson still managed to pick up 142! Another 128 to the 200 mark.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 26, 2009, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 26, 2009, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on December 26, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 26, 2009, 03:02:22 AM
Chargers very impressive tonight.
Ya, it was good to see alright, aided by the Titans beating themselves with the turnovers and penalties it has to be said though. Great to have the number 2 seed nailed, 2 weeks rest will be useful!

QuoteJohnson still managed to pick up 142! Another 128 to the 200 mark.


240 ish to break Dickersons single season record. His average of 6+ yds per carry is unbelievable. He has the fastest 40 yd time on record at the rookie combine
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 27, 2009, 12:16:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 22, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
The Eagles will win the Superbowl, you heard it here first.

No chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 27, 2009, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: stew on December 27, 2009, 12:16:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 22, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
The Eagles will win the Superbowl, you heard it here first.

No chance.

Decent chance, what did Mc Nabb do on you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 27, 2009, 03:44:21 AM
I actually reckon it'll be a Chargers-Eagles Superbowl.

With San Diego winning.

As long as Pittsburgh don't make the playoffs I don't see a team who can handle San Diego in the AFC (bearing in mind that the Chargers have been Indys kryptonite for 3 years now).

In the NFC both the Vikes and Saints ate running low on steam a little, and I just think the eaglescould shock them in a one off.

None of this has to do with my SD bias.

Go Chargers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 27, 2009, 04:41:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 27, 2009, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: stew on December 27, 2009, 12:16:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 22, 2009, 09:35:15 AM
The Eagles will win the Superbowl, you heard it here first.

No chance.

Decent chance, what did Mc Nabb do on you?

Where did i say that i have a problem with McNabb? he isnt the reason why they wont get there never mind win it.

The fact is there are a few better teams out there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 27, 2009, 07:06:54 PM
Giants suck ass big time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 27, 2009, 07:13:32 PM
They are shite! Some way to close Giants stadium!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 27, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
pats new orleans sb for me with pats winning, i think they will get stronger and stronger from now on in. brady is having a hell of a game today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on December 27, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 27, 2009, 07:13:32 PM
They are shite! Some way to close Giants stadium!

a disgrace, worse than useless
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 27, 2009, 10:47:16 PM
There is a lot of talk about the Eagles getting to the superbowl but I don't see them getting past the Vikings. Using last years playoff game between the 2 teams as a reference point, the Eagles won 26-12 simply because they had a much better passing game and special teams. The Vikings have since added a quarterback and kick returner who are playing at a pro bowl level and special teams play in general has improved a lot. This I think will give the edge to the Vikings if they meet again. The game would also probably be in the metrodome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 28, 2009, 12:23:58 AM
Don't know about the general view, but a lot of people discussing the Vikings in NY think that Favre has run out of steam for the season, similar to last year during his stint with the Jets. He has apparently thrown 16 TDs and 35 interceptions during December for the past four years. Possibly not surprising given his age. I wouldn't write off the Eagles - they've been much more impressive than the Vikings over the past month.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 28, 2009, 03:43:10 AM
Uproar, even in New York, over Indianapolis' decision to substitute most of their starters, including Manning, halfway through the third quarter. Means Jets can now reach the playoffs if they beat Cincinnatti, who have nothing whatsoever to play for, next week. Can't imagine the likes of the Dolphins or the Ravens or Steelers are too happy, whatever about the Colts fans who booed the team for the final 20 minutes as they pissed their unbeaten record away. Felt really sorry for Curtis Painter, who, deputizing for Manning and stripped of most of the first choice targets and protection, had a really tough time and received a lot of abuse from the fans. Colts better win the whole thing now, especially if they rest their stars next week, or Mr Caldwell will be in a spot of bother!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 28, 2009, 09:41:40 AM
The colts have their own agenda but they handled it badly I thought. They should have let the second string guys start the game and bring in the stars to save it rather than the other way round.

Brett Favre is not melting down, the team has lost those games and the Carolina result last week looks good in comparison to how the Giants played against the Panthers this week at home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on December 28, 2009, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 28, 2009, 03:43:10 AM
Uproar, even in New York, over Indianapolis' decision to substitute most of their starters, including Manning, halfway through the third quarter. Means Jets can now reach the playoffs if they beat Cincinnatti, who have nothing whatsoever to play for, next week. Can't imagine the likes of the Dolphins or the Ravens or Steelers are too happy, whatever about the Colts fans who booed the team for the final 20 minutes as they pissed their unbeaten record away. Felt really sorry for Curtis Painter, who, deputizing for Manning and stripped of most of the first choice targets and protection, had a really tough time and received a lot of abuse from the fans. Colts better win the whole thing now, especially if they rest their stars next week, or Mr Caldwell will be in a spot of bother!

Cant believe they threw away their unbeaten record the way they did.  I understand getting to and winning the Superbowl is their top priority but when your team get to the stage where they are 14-0 and have a chance of creating history - to just throw it away is shocking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on December 28, 2009, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on December 28, 2009, 10:15:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 28, 2009, 03:43:10 AM
Uproar, even in New York, over Indianapolis' decision to substitute most of their starters, including Manning, halfway through the third quarter. Means Jets can now reach the playoffs if they beat Cincinnatti, who have nothing whatsoever to play for, next week. Can't imagine the likes of the Dolphins or the Ravens or Steelers are too happy, whatever about the Colts fans who booed the team for the final 20 minutes as they pissed their unbeaten record away. Felt really sorry for Curtis Painter, who, deputizing for Manning and stripped of most of the first choice targets and protection, had a really tough time and received a lot of abuse from the fans. Colts better win the whole thing now, especially if they rest their stars next week, or Mr Caldwell will be in a spot of bother!

Cant believe they threw away their unbeaten record the way they did.  I understand getting to and winning the Superbowl is their top priority but when your team get to the stage where they are 14-0 and have a chance of creating history - to just throw it away is shocking.
Agreed. Manning hasn't been injured in 14 seasons or something like that, if he had stayed in the game the would have had too much for the jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 28, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 28, 2009, 09:41:40 AM
The colts have their own agenda but they handled it badly I thought. They should have let the second string guys start the game and bring in the stars to save it rather than the other way round.

Brett Favre is not melting down, the team has lost those games and the Carolina result last week looks good in comparison to how the Giants played against the Panthers this week at home.

Brett Favre has melted down, he has divided the locker room, with some players dying to get jackson re-instated as the qb.

favre refuses to listen to his coach, calls a press conference and makes it look like e is runnng the show and not the coach and players are taking sides.

I blame childress for tis, a real man would have told Favre to fcuk up, sit down and if you flap your gums again you will be benched for a game thus ending the muppets games streak. after all, that is why he is still playing. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 28, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: stew on December 28, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 28, 2009, 09:41:40 AM
The colts have their own agenda but they handled it badly I thought. They should have let the second string guys start the game and bring in the stars to save it rather than the other way round.

Brett Favre is not melting down, the team has lost those games and the Carolina result last week looks good in comparison to how the Giants played against the Panthers this week at home.

Brett Favre has melted down, he has divided the locker room, with some players dying to get jackson re-instated as the qb.

Do they not like winning games or something? Because they won't be in the hunt to win any Superbowls with Tavaris Jackson at QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 28, 2009, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 28, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
Quote from: stew on December 28, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 28, 2009, 09:41:40 AM
The colts have their own agenda but they handled it badly I thought. They should have let the second string guys start the game and bring in the stars to save it rather than the other way round.

Brett Favre is not melting down, the team has lost those games and the Carolina result last week looks good in comparison to how the Giants played against the Panthers this week at home.

Brett Favre has melted down, he has divided the locker room, with some players dying to get jackson re-instated as the qb.

Do they not like winning games or something? Because they won't be in the hunt to win any Superbowls with Tavaris Jackson at QB.

Really, his stats were better than Favres last year, or at least in the business end of the season.

The vikings wont win it no matter who they put in there thank God.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 28, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
first of all, indy dont get anything other than kudos for going unbeaten, why would they not rest their players. the first thing that any new QB says is that the hardest thing in the NFL is the speed of the D they are facing. Makes sense to give the kid a few snaps with nothing that matters on the line. They have the division won (for which they get a bonus) they have homefield advantage, which gets them a bonus and makes the road to the Superbowl a lot easier. The pressure of going unbeaten got to the Pats and they had a better team than this years Colts. Bad news for the other teams in the jets division, but thats the way it goes...

On the favre thing- its just more of the same blah- why people get so annoyed and worked up about Brett Favre is beyond me. The news coverage before he joined the Jets was unreal here- was nothing else on tv at all. Over nothing...

The vikings should win tonight and should make the playoffs and thats why they brought the guy in in the first place. Tavaris jackson was never going to get them there and it looks as if Favre will, so theres a few disagreements along the way- do you think the Vikings will care if they end up with a Sperbowl? - me neither...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 28, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 28, 2009, 07:49:44 PM
first of all, indy dont get anything other than kudos for going unbeaten, why would they not rest their players. the first thing that any new QB says is that the hardest thing in the NFL is the speed of the D they are facing. Makes sense to give the kid a few snaps with nothing that matters on the line. They have the division won (for which they get a bonus) they have homefield advantage, which gets them a bonus and makes the road to the Superbowl a lot easier. The pressure of going unbeaten got to the Pats and they had a better team than this years Colts. Bad news for the other teams in the jets division, but thats the way it goes...

On the favre thing- its just more of the same blah- why people get so annoyed and worked up about Brett Favre is beyond me. The news coverage before he joined the Jets was unreal here- was nothing else on tv at all. Over nothing...

The vikings should win tonight and should make the playoffs and thats why they brought the guy in in the first place. Tavaris jackson was never going to get them there and it looks as if Favre will, so theres a few disagreements along the way- do you think the Vikings will care if they end up with a Sperbowl? - me neither...


What do you think will happen when he fails to take them to te Superbowl and win it? I will tell you, the cracks will appear, the finger pointing will start and Favre will leave them with a bitter taste in his mouth the way he left the pack and the Jets. The jets players called him out and so will that shower in Minnesota.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 28, 2009, 11:00:49 PM
Some massive hits being put in this texas and georgia tech college game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 28, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
if the Colts win the Superbowl, the coaches were right, if they don't they were wrong. just like if Patriots made that 4th and 2 against the Colts, Belicheck would be a gutsy genius coach.

Dont know whats wrong with the Giants. Well I do, they are still the same team they were before they had a good late season run to win a Superbowl.

This is why i thought it was a mistake for the Vikiings to go for Favre, he'll look grand until December, you can go back to my posts in this thread from August or whenever he signed if you care that much. Tonight might not tell us anything about them as the Bears are only playing for pride at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 29, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Giants defense has been awful, as has been the running game, in particular Jacobs. They'll come good again, although a little bit of tinkering might be needed. Attitude has a lot to do with it though - there was no excuse for that mess yesterday. Ironically, before the season, most people were worried about the passing game, particularly in light of how they struggled last year after Burress shot himself. However, Manning has had a good season overall, while the receivers have been much better than expected.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 29, 2009, 01:18:08 AM
Gona say brett farve will choke 2nite with the vikings struggling to win 17 13    ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 29, 2009, 01:32:05 AM
if thats the case, it'll be the first time he chokes on MNF- just cant see it, especially with the chat about Lovie Smith getting the road after next weeks game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 29, 2009, 01:39:15 AM
Im taking the under anyway 2nite,cant see him lighting it up at all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on December 29, 2009, 03:08:14 AM
Brett farve should do himself and everyone else a favour and retire
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 29, 2009, 04:23:47 AM
Farve showing his class now when chips are down....the mans unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 30, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 29, 2009, 04:23:47 AM
Farve showing his class now when chips are down....the mans unreal

:D :D :D :D :D

he played against a team that has nothing to play for, one with a lame duck coach and a team that has almost as many key injuries as it did healthy players and the queens still managed to lose to da bears. :D :D :D :D

The vikings have gone as cold as the weather, the pack beat the bears twice and those losses to the queens are fast becoming a distant memory.

Let the games begin, give three weeks and he will retire again, only to come back and ruin some other club if not the queens.

The pack went with Rodgers, a class act and a far, far better footballer than one burt favre.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 30, 2009, 10:19:53 PM
WTF did Farve do on you? ride the wife?
The man is quality di you watch the game?TD pass in last few secs to draw the game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 30, 2009, 11:49:20 PM
Quote from: stew on December 30, 2009, 06:40:42 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 29, 2009, 04:23:47 AM
Farve showing his class now when chips are down....the mans unreal

:D :D :D :D :D

he played against a team that has nothing to play for, one with a lame duck coach and a team that has almost as many key injuries as it did healthy players and the queens still managed to lose to da bears. :D :D :D :D

The vikings have gone as cold as the weather, the pack beat the bears twice and those losses to the queens are fast becoming a distant memory.

Let the games begin, give three weeks and he will retire again, only to come back and ruin some other club if not the queens.

The pack went with Rodgers, a class act and a far, far better footballer than one burt favre.

Gotta agree Stew, you're going way too far with the blinkered Favre hatred here.

The Vikes current problems have much more to do with the loss of EJ Henderson, the absence of Pat Williams, and All Day's problems with fumbling the ball, than with Favre.

Yeah he had a couple of shaky games where he looked like the bad old Favre, but he didn't regress as far as last year. Don't forget the NFC playoffs will probably all be indoors, so his late season woes will probably not be nearly as pronounced.

Rating TJax above him is ridiculous. With TJax the Vikes are a team who could make noise in the playoffs. With Favre they're a threat to win it all. Big difference.

I'm no big fan but you've gotta give credit where it's due!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 01, 2010, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 28, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
if the Colts win the Superbowl, the coaches were right, if they don't they were wrong. just like if Patriots made that 4th and 2 against the Colts, Belicheck would be a gutsy genius coach.

I think you are wrong on this one Juice.  For a start you don't get second chances on a 4th a 2.  The Colts can go on and win the conference but that won't shut people up.  They can get to the Superbowl - is that enough?  They have to win the superbowl to make this call "right".  Lad thats rubbish.....

The players may have wanted to go unbeaten but I'm sure everyone of them would take a Superbowl Ring over an unbeaten streak.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 01, 2010, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 01, 2010, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 28, 2009, 11:38:57 PM
if the Colts win the Superbowl, the coaches were right, if they don't they were wrong. just like if Patriots made that 4th and 2 against the Colts, Belicheck would be a gutsy genius coach.

I think you are wrong on this one Juice.  For a start you don't get second chances on a 4th a 2.  The Colts can go on and win the conference but that won't shut people up.  They can get to the Superbowl - is that enough?  They have to win the superbowl to make this call "right".  Lad thats rubbish.....

The players may have wanted to go unbeaten but I'm sure everyone of them would take a Superbowl Ring over an unbeaten streak.

i'm with thejuice here, for most of the last decade the colts have had great regular seasons and nothing to show for it, this year they had a chance at something really special and blew it. they could have gone 16-0 and not won the superbowl and it would have been a great year. now they got to win it or its just more of the same. think the coach's gambled they'd get the win anyway when they pulled the starters and also send the message that the players weren't under pressure to go perfect, when they really were. .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2010, 03:45:56 PM
Top 10 Players of the Decade according to NFL.com

Quote10. Kurt Warner
1 Superbowl, 2001 MVP

9. Brett Favre,
5 Pro-bowls, +3000yds each season, 256TD's, 0 Superbowls

8. Donovan McNabb
5 Pro-Bowls, 5 NFC Championship Appearances, 1 Superbowl Appearance

7. Tony Gonzales
9 Pro-Bowls, 88TD's, 985yds per season average, 0 Superbowls

6. Jason Taylor
6 Pro-Bowls, 111 sacks, 2006 Def POY, 0 Superbowls

5. Derrick Brooks
9 Pro-Bowls, 2002 Def POY, 1 Superbowl,

4. Ray Lewis
6 Pro-Bowls, 2 Def POY, 1 Superbowl, SB MVP

3. LaDainian Tomlinson
5 Pro-Bowls, 2006 MVP, Single Season Record Rushing TDs in 2006, 0 Superbowls,

2. Peyton Manning
3 NFL MVP's, 1 SB MVP, 6 Divisional Titles, 9 Play-off Appearances, 1 Superbowl,

1. Tom Brady
1 NFL MVP, 2 SB MVP's, 3 Superbowls,


Stats relate to the last decade only and are not exhaustive by any means. Jason Taylor was a bit of a surprise to see in there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 03, 2010, 05:37:08 PM
NFC up for grabs tonight, should be a good game. Definite chance the Cowboys will steal it, with Romo playing probably the best he ever has.

Top three in that list pick themselves. Tony Gonzalez probably as well. Others are up for debate. If it hadn't been for all the injuries I'd love Charles Woodson to have been there too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2010, 05:39:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 03, 2010, 05:37:08 PM
NFC up for grabs tonight, should be a good game. Definite chance the Cowboys will steal it, with Romo playing probably the best he ever has.

Top three in that list pick themselves. Tony Gonzalez probably as well. Others are up for debate. If it hadn't been for all the injuries I'd love Charles Woodson to have been there too.

May well get Defensive MVP this year. A rare occasion when the Raiders drafted well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 03, 2010, 07:04:04 PM
Vikings look to be getting the better of the Giants. 17-0 at the moment. The Cowboys should be motivated to beat the Eagles in Jerry world to land the division title and that would give the Vikings the number 2 seed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 03, 2010, 08:37:50 PM
silly stuff from the colts


Colts pull Manning after setting meaningless marks

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 3, 2010 2:09 PM ET
The Indianapolis Colts continue to make a mockery of the final two weeks of the season.

In theory, they pulled Peyton Manning last week midway through the third quarter to keep him healthy.

Yet Sunday, they put him on the field in snowy conditions for the specific purpose of setting meaningless milestones for his teammates.

The CBS announcing crew spoke throughout the first quarter that Manning seemed likely to leave after he made sure Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark reached 100 catches.  It sounded like CBS was given a heads up from the team.

Sure enough, Wayne left the game immediately after his fifth catch gave him 100 for the year.  On the next play, the Colts faced a third-and-four with Clark being one catch short of reaching 100.

Peyton Manning tossed the ball to Clark on a play that clearly had no chance for a first down.  It lost seven yards.  And Manning and Clark didn't return to the game after that, for safety reasons that apparently didn't exist until everyone had 100 catches.

It's bad enough the Colts don't try to win the game by pulling starters. 

It's a joke they still choose to pad individual stats over trying to continue a drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2010, 08:39:56 PM
Would there possibly be something in their contracts, ie bonuses for reaching 100 catches?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 03, 2010, 08:47:49 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2010, 08:39:56 PM
Would there possibly be something in their contracts, ie bonuses for reaching 100 catches?

yes - there certainly is
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 03, 2010, 08:50:13 PM
Tyler Thigpen is going to be a good QB in this league, he showed glimpses for the chiefs last year.
What a comeback from the Dolphins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 03, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
what a comeback by houstan, superbowl champs need some help now but cant see them getting it. steelers need baltimore, jets and denver to lose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2010, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 03, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
what a comeback by houstan, superbowl champs need some help now but cant see them getting it. steelers need baltimore, jets and denver to lose

More importantly the Ravens and Broncos play Oakland and Kansas City respectively. Not too taxing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 03, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
On a side note there's a very close championship game in progress in the Walter Payton division. Currently Crossmaglen Hitmen are leading Jack Jack City 87- 79. Crossmaglen have 4 players left playing and I have 6.

Gonna be close!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on January 04, 2010, 01:02:13 AM
So annoyed, not only that the Eagles took a pasting, but the fact that we have to go back there only adds insult to injury!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 04, 2010, 01:42:53 AM
Chargers  (reserves) march on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 04, 2010, 11:48:24 AM
Good end to the season for the 49ers to finish 8-8. having lost 6 of their 8 games by 7 points or less, things could have been a lot different :'(. With 2 first round draft picks to come hopefully next year will be their year to make the play-offs :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2010, 11:55:07 AM
49ers are going in the right direction. Not sure if Alex Smith is the answer. Vernon Davis finally lived up to his billing coming out of college. Be interesting to see how Crabtree gets on with a full training camp behind him next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
Wild card games are a bit strange this year with three of them being instant repeats of week 17 games.

Jets @ Bengals
Eagles @ Cowboys
Packers @ Cardinals

Odd one out being Ravens @ Patriots
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 04, 2010, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
Wild card games are a bit strange this year with three of them being instant repeats of week 17 games.

Jets @ Bengals
Eagles @ Cowboys
Packers @ Cardinals

Odd one out being Ravens @ Patriots

All 3 of those week 17 games were very one sided as well, but I expect the Cardinals and Bengals to turn things around as long as Boldin is fit and the Jets play Sanchez at quarterback, Sanchez looks like a bust to me at this point, his production is very poor considering the quality of players the Jets have on offense and defense. The Jets are the number one ranked defense in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2010, 01:11:59 PM
How can you call a player a bust after one season? He may turn out to be but you have to give him some time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on January 04, 2010, 01:28:20 PM
I see no1 has mentioned welkers injury for the patriots,massive loss,not sure of the extent but it lookd like a definite acl injury
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2010, 01:36:26 PM
Quote from: Family guy on January 04, 2010, 01:28:20 PM
I see no1 has mentioned welkers injury for the patriots,massive loss,not sure of the extent but it lookd like a definite acl injury

He is having an MRI today but thy reckon is ACL and MCL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on January 04, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Big loss for them,thought they were creeping along nicely in2 the playoffs,tom brady last year and now this,just bad luck i guess
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2010, 02:25:08 PM
Zorn out in Washington. Shanahan probably in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2010, 03:53:05 PM
Bears - disappointing overall. Possibly better than a 7-9 team and you'd have to wonder how much better things might have been with a fit Urlacher for the season. Too many interceptions for Cutler but I think he'll be better next season with a new Offensive Co-ordinator. Loads of things to improve and not many draft picks to do it with.

On week 17 was disappointed Houston didn't make it. They have had it tough in one of the better divisions and it would have been great for them to make it to the playoffs for the first time.

Now the real stuff begins. Think O'Neill could be in for a few late nights. The brother has a sneaking suspicion about Green Bay and in truth the NFC is wide open.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 04, 2010, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 22, 2009, 01:34:39 PM
the Cowboys for me lads  :o

can the Chargers meet the Cowboys in the Final? I'd like to stick a few bob on that happening too... have the Cowboys at 25s, now 12s and think they will go lower after this weekend, looked much too strong for Eagles last night!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2010, 07:18:12 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 04, 2010, 04:55:16 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 22, 2009, 01:34:39 PM
the Cowboys for me lads  :o

can the Chargers meet the Cowboys in the Final?

Yeah they are in different conferences.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 04, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: Family guy on January 04, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Big loss for them,thought they were creeping along nicely in2 the playoffs,tom brady last year and now this,just bad luck i guess

Wes welker is a god damn stud out there. Christ if Tyrone had him, we'd win everything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on January 04, 2010, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 04, 2010, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: Family guy on January 04, 2010, 01:39:00 PM
Big loss for them,thought they were creeping along nicely in2 the playoffs,tom brady last year and now this,just bad luck i guess

Wes welker is a god damn stud out there. Christ if Tyrone had him, we'd win everything.

You are right,sick all day,chad ocho also has a knee injury would be a big loss to bengals if injured
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 05, 2010, 04:43:10 PM
2010   
HOME       AWAY 
Atlanta     new orleans
Carolina     Tampa Bay 
Denver      Oakland 
Kansas City San Diego   
NFC East    NFC North

as well as the 6 divisional games 49ers Fixtures for 2010 season. Was wandering does NFC East and NFC north mean the winners from the 2009 season?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2010, 09:43:38 AM
I think it means the teams that finished in the same position as the niners, i.e. 2nd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 06, 2010, 11:31:35 AM
San Francisco 49ers tipped for British NFL fixture 
by Tim Love 



San Francisco 49ers will be the home team for one of this year's two NFL games to be held in Britain, according to reports in the United States.

The 49ers have strong support in the UK because of their success in the 1980s.

The agreement is being finalised in New York, with the Philadelphia Eagles rumoured to be their opponents.

"If we're going to play in a parking lot or if we're play in London, we're going to play a football game," said 49ers head coach Mike Singletary.

The Santa Rosa Press Democrat newspaper has reported the 49ers are keen to play a 'home' game in London before they move to a new stadium in San Francisco in time for the start of the 2014 season.

The 49ers gained a large following in the UK during the 1980s when they won four Super Bowls at a time when the sport was enjoying great popularity amongst British fans.


In 2007 the New York Giants defeated the Miami Dolphins in the first regular season NFL game to be played in the UK before a sell-out crowd at Wembley.

Following on from this success the NFL committed to playing regular season games in the UK, and 83,226 people watched the 2008 encounter between the San Diego Chargers and the New Orleans Saints.

The New England Patriots beat the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in front of an 84,254 crowd at last year's event, which led to the announcement that two games would be staged in Britain in 2010.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on January 06, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
I really hope it is the eagles, had the pleasure of going to a couple of their home games when I lived there and their support is amazing!

I sure more Eagles fans would travel than 49'ers just based on the distance they would have to travel to get there!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 06, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
Right who is going to win this weekend?? Here's my picks:


Patriots - Ravens,
Tough one to call but I'm going with the Ravens. Without Welker there will be more pressure in Brady's face. Ravens aren't quite as strong as last year but I think they can do enough.

Jets-Bengals,
Last Sunday's mauling puts a new perspective on this one. Ignoring last weekend, you'd put the Bengals above the Jets any day of the week. And I dont think the Bengals will play as bad again but the way the Jets running game carved them up has raised alot of question marks. Jets for me.

Eagles-Cowboys
The Cowboys came through December looking quite strong, they blew the Eagles appart last week and just beat them earlier in the season. While the Eagles have shown some explosive offense its not going to be enough,  I think the Cowboys will beat them a 3rd time.

Packers-Cardinals
The Cardinals were a different team when they got to the play-offs last year, but its hard to make the same case for them this year. Week 13 win over the Vikings shows their potential but a week later they fell heavily to the 49ers. So will the real Arizona please stand up? The Packers have improved as the season went on are a very respectable 11-5. They've already trounced the Cards in Phoenix Stadium no less than a week ago and I think they'll do it again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2010, 03:52:32 PM
http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2010/01/02/nfl-asked-to-drop-the-who-from-super-bowl-halftime-show/

The Who are Superbowl halftime entertainment. And there is a load of shit being kicked up about that. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 09, 2010, 04:40:52 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 09, 2010, 03:52:32 PM
http://www.spinnermusic.co.uk/2010/01/02/nfl-asked-to-drop-the-who-from-super-bowl-halftime-show/

The Who are Superbowl halftime entertainment. And there is a load of shit being kicked up about that.

Iris & kirk will be singing 'i got you babe' and also ' bye bye baby'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on January 09, 2010, 07:44:23 PM
It's hard to believe three of these wildcard games were also played last week. I think we'll see three similar outcomes in terms of results but expect much closer games. So Jets, Packers and Cowboys for me. Dallas and Phil are like two peas in a pod in that they have similar form lines and can be unpredictable, but I'd much rather have Romo on my side at this stage and his side are in good form.
Much like the Packers who are hitting form at the right time. The Jets will find it mch tougher against the bengals this week and this could be the closest match of the four.

I'm gonna take the Patriots to beat the Ravens. Another tight one possibly, but the Pats might just have enough. But wouldn't fancy them next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2010, 08:39:23 PM
Bungles, Eagles, Packers and Ravens for me

Also Pete Carroll has left USC and is taking the now vacant head coach spot in Seattle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2010, 08:39:23 PM
Bungles, Eagles, Packers and Ravens for me

Also Pete Carroll has left USC and is taking the now vacant head coach spot in Seattle

Was it the Pats Carroll used to be the Head Coach of ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
patriots, jets, cowboys and packers for me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2010, 08:55:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2010, 08:39:23 PM
Bungles, Eagles, Packers and Ravens for me

Also Pete Carroll has left USC and is taking the now vacant head coach spot in Seattle

Was it the Pats Carroll used to be the Head Coach of ?

Yep - and the Jets as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 08:56:41 PM
I never thought he would go back to the NFL. He was probably as well paid as most NFL head coaches when he was at USC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on January 09, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
The Eagles got an awful hammering last week in Dallas - what do you reckon for the rematch ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: orangeman on January 09, 2010, 09:00:10 PM
The Eagles got an awful hammering last week in Dallas - what do you reckon for the rematch ???

Can't see the Eagles playing as badly, Cowboys are strong but then they haven't won a playoff game in 13 years which may play on their minds. Eagles will probably have learnt more from the game than Dallas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
patriots, jets, cowboys and packers for me

agreed, hope to see eagles and cardinals well beaten for no particular reason. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2010, 09:21:05 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
patriots, jets, cowboys and packers for me

agreed, hope to see eagles and cardinals well beaten for no particular reason. ;D

Used to hate the Eagles but gave always hated the Cowboys more, can't stick that Jerry Johnson ****.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 10:01:24 PM
Did you see Chad Ochocinco's birthday present to himself?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 10:01:24 PM
Did you see Chad Ochocinco's birthday present to himself?

saw that, touchdown bengals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 10:01:24 PM
Did you see Chad Ochocinco's birthday present to himself?

No what was it? A self portrait?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2010, 10:15:00 PM
The Ocho Cinco truck  :D

http://twitpic.com/xa4z4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 10:19:35 PM
Braylon Edwards hasn't changed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2010, 10:21:07 PM
that was bad, a fairly easy catch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 10:22:47 PM
Ocho is good to himself.  Dont like it myself, but when you have so much money to spend....

So Bengals lead 7-0 at the quarter, go Bengals!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 10:27:58 PM
He said he built it himself! The Bengals stadium is cool.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2010, 10:30:25 PM
touchdown jets yeahhhhhh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 10:39:00 PM
Nice interception and good run there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 09, 2010, 10:39:29 PM
Some interception there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 10:39:00 PM
Nice interception and good run there.

He is the best CB in the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 10:43:25 PM
Touchdown!!!

Great play
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 10:43:55 PM
yes!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2010, 10:45:00 PM
Sanchez is playing like the veteran and Palmer the rookie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2010, 10:46:55 PM
great drive, palmer is not having a good day so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2010, 11:48:41 PM
Sanchez not doing anything too spectacular, just getting it done. Running game is killing the Bengals just like last week. Without Cedric Benson Bengals have nothing. Though their receivers are open, Palmer just cant hit them. Palmer shouldn't have even played last week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 09, 2010, 11:49:30 PM
looking good for the jets 21-7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 11:52:10 PM
Game as good as over, even with a full quarter still to play I cant see them coming back now.  Jets looking like they have added at least one more week to their season!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2010, 11:58:25 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8159b4ef&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8159b4ef&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

Manning the overwhelming MVP.

Bit of a joke Chris Johnson didn't get so much as a mention, no?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 11:52:10 PM
Game as good as over, even with a full quarter still to play I cant see them coming back now.  Jets looking like they have added at least one more week to their season!

Way to scud the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 12:03:00 AM
Maybe its not over yet.  Nice run from Benson.  Go Bengals!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 12:06:47 AM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2010, 11:52:10 PM
Game as good as over, even with a full quarter still to play I cant see them coming back now.  Jets looking like they have added at least one more week to their season!

Way to scud the Jets.

Dont worry, they should still go on and win it.  The better team tonight imo.  Unless by saying this I jinx them.

Wait...a huge gain of over 40 yards there, ya as I said they will win it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2010, 12:22:57 AM
What are the Bengals at with all this underneath shit, 8-10 yd passes. They are 10pts behind with 4mins left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 12:25:54 AM
Ocho was so close there, I thought he had it.

Going for the field goal and he misses.  Game, set and match Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 12:40:07 AM
Disappointing loss for the Bengals.  But they shouldn't be to down, they had a very good season with their first winning season and divisional title in four years.  Hopfully they can build on from this next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 12:48:13 AM
Big one next.  Looking forward to this.  Eagles vs Cowboys

I wonder does Tony Romo play this over and over in his mind?  Can make up for it tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuQ5aw0HAQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuQ5aw0HAQ)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 10, 2010, 03:34:55 AM
Great win for the Jets today. Huge games from Greene and our O line and our D. Good games from Sanchez and Keller. Can't believe we are this far into the post season. Hopefully we can keep it going against the Chargers or Colts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2010, 09:33:03 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 09, 2010, 11:58:25 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8159b4ef&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8159b4ef&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)

Manning the overwhelming MVP.

Bit of a joke Chris Johnson didn't get so much as a mention, no?

Yes, over 2000 yards and averaging over 6 yds a carry. Rightly or wrongly the League MVP is usually a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ha ha derry on January 10, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
Donovan Mc Nabb must be finished now in Philadelphia ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
That's some TV the Cowboys have in their stadium.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2010, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
That's some TV the Cowboys have in their stadium.

I think I read it cost almost $1m. You would need a big living room to justify getting one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 10, 2010, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 10, 2010, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
That's some TV the Cowboys have in their stadium.

I think I read it cost almost $1m. You would need a big living room to justify getting one.
[/quote

I thought it cost a hell of a lot more than that, something like 40 odd million!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2010, 01:13:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 10, 2010, 01:08:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 10, 2010, 12:17:15 PM
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
That's some TV the Cowboys have in their stadium.

I think I read it cost almost $1m. You would need a big living room to justify getting one.
[/quote

I thought it cost a hell of a lot more than that, something like 40 odd million!

You are right, Googled it there and an estimate was put at $42m
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 10, 2010, 01:23:48 PM
some telly that, good to have the cowboys back!

the world's largest 1080p HDTV screen
Weighs 600 tons
Reaches almost from one 20-yard line to the other
Has 30 million light bulbs across 25,000 square feet
Is the first center-hung video board in football
Has a built-in elevator with 10 levels from the top of the board to the bottom
Hang from the stadium's main arches, and can support a 90,000 pound basketball scoreboard hanging underneath
Is suspended 90 feet above the playing field
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 01:24:33 PM
Small change then.

Goes from the 25 yard line to the other 25 yard line, 160ft wide by 72ft high. And they have 2 of them!

(http://structurehub.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dallas-cowboy-stadium-bryan-trubey-hsk-sports-and-entertainment-group-from-vsellis-on-flickr-578x433.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 10, 2010, 02:24:24 PM
Quote from: ha ha derry on January 10, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
Donovan Mc Nabb must be finished now in Philadelphia ?

Why? Thats their first first round playoff loss in his tenure, they've been to 4 NFC championship games, and a Superbowl.

It's not McNabb's fault that the O-line was shambolic, the D was banged up, and they had (yet again) no semblance of a running game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 10, 2010, 02:25:14 PM
I think they had to spend another few million raising it after it kept getting hit by punters in pre-season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: fearbrags on January 10, 2010, 03:11:55 PM
No they did not have to raise  it , there was talk about lowering it, but it was 2 feet under the NFL minimum
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 10, 2010, 03:29:37 PM
Yeah, I think Brian Westbrook needs to go before McNabb. They need someone fresh at running back. And of course an O-Line to make things happen. Getting rid of Brain Dawkins has left a large gap in the defence too. Maybe Andy Reid is just out of ideas, apart from one Superbowl appearence they seem stuck. Occasionally every season they have a big game and everyone goes 'woah, they are looking like champions' but that only lasts a few weeks and then the Raiders or someone crap makes them look shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 10, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 10, 2010, 03:29:37 PM
Yeah, I think Brian Westbrook needs to go before McNabb. They need someone fresh at running back. And of course an O-Line to make things happen. Getting rid of Brain Dawkins has left a large gap in the defence too. Maybe Andy Reid is just out of ideas, apart from one Superbowl appearence they seem stuck. Occasionally every season they have a big game and everyone goes 'woah, they are looking like champions' but that only lasts a few weeks and then the Raiders or someone crap makes them look shite.


Dallas played well but are over-rated, the will be done next week.

I hope the pats and packers win. The Pack are a far better team than Dallas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2010, 04:41:16 PM
Quote from: stew on January 10, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 10, 2010, 03:29:37 PM
Yeah, I think Brian Westbrook needs to go before McNabb. They need someone fresh at running back. And of course an O-Line to make things happen. Getting rid of Brain Dawkins has left a large gap in the defence too. Maybe Andy Reid is just out of ideas, apart from one Superbowl appearence they seem stuck. Occasionally every season they have a big game and everyone goes 'woah, they are looking like champions' but that only lasts a few weeks and then the Raiders or someone crap makes them look shite.

Dallas played well but are over-rated, the will be done next week.

I hope the pats and packers win. The Pack are a far better team than Dallas.
[/b]

What are you basing that on Stew?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2010, 05:31:42 PM
so can the pats win without welke?. i think so, prediction 31-20

i hope the packers can beat the cardinals, but have an annoying feeling that the cardinals will perform and win this one. hope im wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
what a start!!! touchdown ravens 83 yard run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 06:14:39 PM
Good start for the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 06:17:49 PM
Ha nearly forgot about this!  Kept thinking of the time last nights games started, wasn't until I saw your post anportmorforjfc that I thought about it.   :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 06:23:10 PM
Were the Patriots out on the rip last night?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 06:37:03 PM
All going wrong for the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 10, 2010, 06:39:55 PM
Very very wrong! Another interception and good field position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 06:43:44 PM
Cant see them coming back.  Ravens are destroying them.  3 interceptions in the first quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2010, 06:44:09 PM
fcuk sake, not over yet!! :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hotrocks on January 10, 2010, 08:13:02 PM
Oh please hold on Baltimore!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hotrocks on January 10, 2010, 08:36:27 PM
That should do it! Baltimores running game very impressive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 10, 2010, 09:12:52 PM
Chargers v Jets next week.

I've a bad feeling that the week off may go against SD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on January 10, 2010, 09:21:50 PM
Are they down to the last 8 yet? Who plays who?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 10, 2010, 09:24:31 PM
Quote from: Orior on January 10, 2010, 09:21:50 PM
Are they down to the last 8 yet? Who plays who?

One more wildcard game left.  Green Bay @ Arizona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 10, 2010, 09:25:05 PM
SD v NYJ
BAL v IND
DAL V MIN
NO V GB OR ARI
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2010, 10:04:50 PM
some start by the cardinals 14-0, this is a bit like the earlier game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2010, 11:08:03 PM
24-10 HT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 10, 2010, 11:09:19 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 10, 2010, 09:12:52 PM
Chargers v Jets next week.

I've a bad feeling that the week off may go against SD.

Nah shane/ladygaagaa the chargers will kick the shit outta the jets, they will win it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 11, 2010, 12:23:08 AM
Some game on at the minute.

38 all with 11 to go
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 11, 2010, 12:47:32 AM
45-45 with 1.46 left on the clock
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 11, 2010, 12:50:56 AM
Stew what do you think about favres chances  against dallas?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 11, 2010, 12:54:18 AM
Awful choke from Rackers. OT!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 11, 2010, 12:56:47 AM
Rackets looked shit-scared even practising.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 11, 2010, 01:05:23 AM
cardinals win 51-45
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2010, 01:23:56 AM
Cardiac Cards again. Holy bejaysus. I was screaming at the TV when they were on about the Cardinals 'underrated' defense. They've been giving up big play after big play for the past 2 years. The only time I feel safe is when the Cards have at least a 10 point lead with 3 seconds left, and the ball.

Savage game though. Kurt Warner -> Legend. How can there even be a debate about his hall of fame worth. Jim Kelly is in there for God's sake. Mac Gearailt got away with some very physical exchanges with Woodson, who is excellent, but he is an animal as well. And as for Earley Deucet!! I reckon I could play WR on that team :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 11, 2010, 01:28:48 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2010, 01:23:56 AM
Cardiac Cards again. Holy bejaysus. I was screaming at the TV when they were on about the Cardinals 'underrated' defense. They've been giving up big play after big play for the past 2 years. The only time I feel safe is when the Cards have at least a 10 point lead with 3 seconds left, and the ball.

Savage game though. Kurt Warner -> Legend. How can there even be a debate about his hall of fame worth. Jim Kelly is in there for God's sake. Mac Gearailt got away with some very physical exchanges with Woodson, who is excellent, but he is an animal as well. And as for Earley Deucet!! I reckon I could play WR on that team :D

Skin. Of. Teeth

Massive defensive improvement needed to stop Brees next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 11, 2010, 02:25:00 AM
QuoteMassive defensive improvement

do you mean finding a defense? There wasn't a defense in sight today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2010, 03:51:09 AM
Brees will be licking his chops at the thought of playing against that secondary
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 11, 2010, 06:35:42 AM
Got to feel for Aaron Rodgers, he and the Green Bay offense were terrific throughout.
What a call and execution for that on-side kick aswell.
Larry Fitz is the best WR in the game for me,and its not even close,
But he got away twice with offensive pass interference on Woodson.
Fantastic game though,Cards offense will take stopping.It would 40+ points again for both teams next week in The Big Easy.
Kurt Warner deserves to be in talk for best QB in Football,alongside the likes of Manning,Brees,Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on January 11, 2010, 08:22:20 AM
some savage football this weekend , matchsticks holding my eyes up after the cardinals game , they will need to put an extra digit on the scoreboards for cardinals saints  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 11, 2010, 09:39:54 AM
Wow. Some game. Not one for the purist with both Defences playing very poorly.

Wouldn't be counting any chickens about Brees yet. He didn't exactly make mince meat outta the Tampa Bay D a couple weeks back and they probably have the worst secondary in the league. Also Warner shouldn't be frightened to face the banged up New Orleans secondary, which had a poor second half of the season.

The Jets will be a tough matchup for San Diego, although I still will take the Bolts as their QB play is massively better than Cinci, and they just have so many targets to hit even if Vincent Jackson is shut down by Revis. I expect Gates to have a massive day against the Bungles injury ravaged Linebackers.

Ravens Colts will be interesting. We'll all find out if the furore over the Colts resting their starters was justified or not. However I can't see Peyton Manning and his receiving corps making as many mistakes against them as Brady and his lot did. Expect lots of Dallas Clark and Reggie Wayne, and a steady diet of screen passes to slow down the Ravens rush.

Dallas Minnesota rests on Kevin Williams and the Vikes rush. Kevin has been mediocre this year. The rest of the front 4 has been its usual dominating self. Romo has looked good of late but he's been in the box seat due to strong protection and a good running game. The Vikings must get pressure as their secondary is mediocre. As good as the Dallas D was against Philly they now have to account for a multi dimensional Offence that can grind or hit you with big plays. I'm taking the Vikes to topple the evil Empire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
the Cards are certainly entertaining to watch, and next weekend should be more of the same. I agree that Warner's matchup with the New Orleans secondary is very advantageous for the Cardinals. The Cardinals have such a varied passing attack that even good secondaries find it hard to cover all of them, and if the O-Line gives Warner a chance, and the Running backs offer a credible alternative, he can sit back and decide whether to pass to Fitz, Boldin, Doucet, Breston, Urban, hightower, Patrick etc etc etc. If Warner gets hurried/hassled though, he can be a turnover machine, and if that happens the Cards are goosed because I wouldn't trust that D as far as I'd throw Darnell Dockett.

The Jets will be confident going into San Diego, but the Chargers are a balanced offense, it's not just a case of shutting down the run, because the Bolts have more than one receiver. As someone said, Gates could have a field day. Having said that, if the Jets get a good start, Green and Jones have the ability to control the ball, control the game and grind out a win. That's the traditional play off way, and is still hard to beat. You can't score points without the ball.

I hope Dallas beat Minnesota, from the selfish perspective that if the Cardinals can take the Saints, I'd prefer to face Romo and co than Adrian Peterson, Sidney Rice, Vishente Shianko, Bernard Berrian and co.  However if the Cardinals lose to the Saints I'll be hoping for Minnesota, and I think the Vikes will win up there. The Cowboys will be loose after finally winning their first playoff game in about 12 years, and they are dangerous, but I think they can be beaten if the Vikings front 7 stands up to them and makes Romo throw into a 4 man coverage. If the Vikes have to put 8 in the box, then Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Jason Whitten and Patrick Clayton can do damage.

Finally, I think Indy may regret the momentum killer again this year. Resting your players is grand, but if they don't hit the ground running in the playoffs, you can be in an awful hole early. I don't think the Colts will run on the Ravens, even though Addai has been good, so it will come down to how much pressure the Ravens can get on Manning. He's like Warner in that if he has time, he can destroy you, especially with an outlet for check downs like Dallas Clark, but if you hit him hard and often he is as prone to poor throws as anyone else.

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 11, 2010, 10:56:25 AM
The way the ball flicked up off Rodgers foot after the sack for the OT touchown was fair unlucky!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2010, 11:09:57 AM
It was, but it was a fumble and the Cardinals were blitzing which means they had people there to recover it in any case. I doubt Rackers would have missed again from there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 11, 2010, 11:14:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2010, 10:02:18 AM
the Cards are certainly entertaining to watch, and next weekend should be more of the same. I agree that Warner's matchup with the New Orleans secondary is very advantageous for the Cardinals. The Cardinals have such a varied passing attack that even good secondaries find it hard to cover all of them, and if the O-Line gives Warner a chance, and the Running backs offer a credible alternative, he can sit back and decide whether to pass to Fitz, Boldin, Doucet, Breston, Urban, hightower, Patrick etc etc etc. If Warner gets hurried/hassled though, he can be a turnover machine, and if that happens the Cards are goosed because I wouldn't trust that D as far as I'd throw Darnell Dockett.

The Jets will be confident going into San Diego, but the Chargers are a balanced offense, it's not just a case of shutting down the run, because the Bolts have more than one receiver. As someone said, Gates could have a field day. Having said that, if the Jets get a good start, Green and Jones have the ability to control the ball, control the game and grind out a win. That's the traditional play off way, and is still hard to beat. You can't score points without the ball.

I hope Dallas beat Minnesota, from the selfish perspective that if the Cardinals can take the Saints, I'd prefer to face Romo and co than Adrian Peterson, Sidney Rice, Vishente Shianko, Bernard Berrian and co.  However if the Cardinals lose to the Saints I'll be hoping for Minnesota, and I think the Vikes will win up there. The Cowboys will be loose after finally winning their first playoff game in about 12 years, and they are dangerous, but I think they can be beaten if the Vikings front 7 stands up to them and makes Romo throw into a 4 man coverage. If the Vikes have to put 8 in the box, then Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Jason Whitten and Patrick Clayton can do damage.

Finally, I think Indy may regret the momentum killer again this year. Resting your players is grand, but if they don't hit the ground running in the playoffs, you can be in an awful hole early. I don't think the Colts will run on the Ravens, even though Addai has been good, so it will come down to how much pressure the Ravens can get on Manning. He's like Warner in that if he has time, he can destroy you, especially with an outlet for check downs like Dallas Clark, but if you hit him hard and often he is as prone to poor throws as anyone else.

Looking forward to it.

the difference with Manning is that he gets rid of the ball so quickly, and goes through his reads so quickly, that even his 3rd and 4th option throws are very quick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
seems like I missed a hell of a game last night. Stuck in the middle of doing loads of coursework and exams coming up, don't get to follow it as much as i'd like this season  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on January 11, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Brilliant (late) match last night, sport at its best
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2010, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 11, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
seems like I missed a hell of a game last night. Stuck in the middle of doing loads of coursework and exams coming up, don't get to follow it as much as i'd like this season  :(

I missed it cos I was out on a date - that wasn't nearly as exciting as the game I'm betting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 11, 2010, 01:13:03 PM
After the first thee matches being poor one sided affairs and with the Cards 14-0 up I decided to go to the pub.  Got a text from one of the lads later on saying something about a comeback.  Got him to keep me updated but looks like the one game I missed turned out to be a cracker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 11, 2010, 03:00:54 PM
Game of the decade lads. What were you thinking. Course work and dates. ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 11, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2010, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 11, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
seems like I missed a hell of a game last night. Stuck in the middle of doing loads of coursework and exams coming up, don't get to follow it as much as i'd like this season  :(

I missed it cos I was out on a date - that wasn't nearly as exciting as the game I'm betting

I missed all the football this weekend.  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2010, 05:29:59 PM
Highlights of yesterdays wildcard games are on tonight at 8pm on Sky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 11, 2010, 06:57:32 PM
Quote from: turk on January 11, 2010, 12:43:38 PM
Brilliant (late) match last night, sport at its best

for those of ye that missed it, dont miss this. . 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d815a5f0c/NFL-GameDay-Packers-vs-Cardinals-highlights

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 11, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
looked a peach of a game lads, what a way to lose.

Dont think cards will retain the div though.

Just a quick question, any 49er fans out there think we can make the breakthrough next season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 11, 2010, 09:23:26 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2010, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 11, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
seems like I missed a hell of a game last night. Stuck in the middle of doing loads of coursework and exams coming up, don't get to follow it as much as i'd like this season  :(

I missed it cos I was out on a date - that wasn't nearly as exciting as the game I'm betting

Please say you at least got the ride!!  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 11, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 11, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
looked a peach of a game lads, what a way to lose.

Dont think cards will retain the div though.

Just a quick question, any 49er fans out there think we can make the breakthrough next season

yes i think they can, need another good year from davis and gore. Smith needs to be consistant and confident. Hoping crabtree will have a good year. if this goes to plan i think and hope the niners can make the play-offs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 11, 2010, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 11, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 11, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
looked a peach of a game lads, what a way to lose.

Dont think cards will retain the div though.

Just a quick question, any 49er fans out there think we can make the breakthrough next season

yes i think they can, need another good year from davis and gore. Smith needs to be consistant and confident. Hoping crabtree will have a good year. if this goes to plan i think and hope the niners can make the play-offs.

49ers are strongly rumoured to be one of the teams playing London this year too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 11, 2010, 11:55:19 PM
Niners - Philly isn't it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on January 12, 2010, 12:04:04 AM
Highlights from the Weekend on tonight on BBC 2... Worth watching??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 12, 2010, 02:08:36 AM
for the baseball fans, any thoughts on McGwire admitting taking steroids?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12mcgwire.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on January 12, 2010, 02:11:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 12, 2010, 02:08:36 AM
for the baseball fans, any thoughts on McGwire admitting taking steroids?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12mcgwire.html

Is he only admitting it now?? Hardly a surprise really
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 12, 2010, 07:57:32 AM
Saw the highlights last night - Some shoot out alright great stuff. A couple of great one handed TD catches.

McGwires confession is really no surprise - The sport is riddled with it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 12, 2010, 09:06:40 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 12, 2010, 02:08:36 AM
for the baseball fans, any thoughts on McGwire admitting taking steroids?
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/sports/baseball/12mcgwire.html

wasnt sammy sosa caught at that a few years ago too.  Remember their big chase for the home run record one season.  No surprise that they were both taking steroids.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 09:12:58 AM
I don't think McGwire is a surprise. I was in the states for that HR chase, and just comparing the body shapes of Sosa and McGwire with what they looked like 2 or 3 years previously was stark. I can't believe no one questioned it at the time. Baseball is a shambles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 12, 2010, 09:14:35 AM
2 unbelievable catches from Jennings, one for a TD & the other in Q3 was top drawer.
Green bays defence was brutal though in the first half, blocking was comical
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2010, 10:11:56 AM
Also, should there have been offensive pass interference for Fitzy's 1 handed touchdown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 10:18:13 AM
Yep. He definitely barged Woodson out of the way, ran straight into him, but maybe Woodson didn't have position, i.e he was moving as well. It looked like it though. Fitz is a physical WR and he obviously decided to try and bully woodson around. Woodson is a class operator though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 12, 2010, 10:33:09 AM
Regarding the steroid issue in baseball, although the advantages are obvious relating to power etc, i always thought the lads still needed the technical ability to connect sufficiently with the ball, forgive me i am a bit green on this issue but would steroids enhance your ability to see the flight of the ball more efficiently .

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 12, 2010, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 12, 2010, 10:33:09 AM
Regarding the steroid issue in baseball, although the advantages are obvious relating to power etc, i always thought the lads still needed the technical ability to connect sufficiently with the ball, forgive me i am a bit green on this issue but would steroids enhance your ability to see the flight of the ball more efficiently .

No, but if you have the ability and pump yourself full of roids you'll be able to hit it a hell of a lot further, hence the HR records tumbling.

McGwire, Sosa and Ken Griffey Jr. were all on track to break the record at one stage, of whom McGwire and Sosa have almost undeniable links with steroids. Throw in Bonds and A-Rod and you see how rampant it was amongst the marquee sluggers.

Sosa also broke a corked bat in a game about five or six years ago, casting further aspersions on his character.

Then there's the likes of Clemens and Pettitte as pitchers who have either admitted steroid use or been proven guilty.

A whole generation of Major League superstars have been tainted and very few of them, if any, will make the Hall of Fame.

The Cards hiring McGwire as hitting coach is a disgrace.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on January 12, 2010, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 12, 2010, 09:14:35 AM
2 unbelievable catches from Jennings, one for a TD & the other in Q3 was top drawer.
Green bays defence was brutal though in the first half, blocking was comical

Aye the one handed catch for a TD was amazing, the ball was flying past him, great skill to pull it down with just the one hand
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 10:58:07 AM
As said, steroids will not make you hit the ball any more often, and won't help you hit a curveball or a tailing fastball, but what it will do is make you hit it further when you make contact. Baseball is made up of different types of players and people. Big hitting first and third basemen who wouldn't run to the toilet, fast base stealing outfielders and middle infield guys, and the battery people. If you are a big slow guy, with quick hands who can make contact, you have to be able to drive in a lot of runs or homers to make a living in MLB. That means steroids for a lot of those guys.

No one would make the majors without having the hand eye coordination to make contact, or without the necessary arm and control to make pitches, but steroids build on those skills artificially. It also completely destroys the game for people who don't 'roid up, and like to work in the gym and on the practice field. It sends and awful signal. I treat baseball like cycling or athletics now in my cynical view of outstanding performers, and even more so as MLB is paying lip service at best to testing/bans.

In my opinion, every record in the books that was set after the early 90s needs to have an asterix beside it, or even a seperate category. You have NFL records defined as 'since the superbowl era', 'since the 16 game season', etc etc. I think records in this period of baseball should be defined as being in the 'steroid controversy era'.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 11:01:59 AM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 12, 2010, 10:49:40 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 12, 2010, 09:14:35 AM
2 unbelievable catches from Jennings, one for a TD & the other in Q3 was top drawer.
Green bays defence was brutal though in the first half, blocking was comical

Aye the one handed catch for a TD was amazing, the ball was flying past him, great skill to pull it down with just the one hand

That was some catch, but the coverage was there too. The Cardinals are prone to that, looking to make the big interception in the secondary, and biting on pump fakes or selling out to try and reach a ball they can't make. Jenning's catch along the sideline that led to the crazy broken play run was a prime example. DRC should never have tried to make that interception/tip, and concentrated on making an attempt to break up the catch, or at worst tackle the receiver. Back shoulder throws on out routes or corner routes will always turn into big plays against the Cardinals unless the QB misses his target. When they do make an interception it's always a great play, but the risk is too high on getting burned. Far better to make sure your receiver is covered, and only jump routes where there's an error by the QB. That comes with experience I suppose, but lads like Charles Woodson and Ed Reed are the experts at that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 12, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
http://machinedesign.com/article/more-forgiving-headgear-1121

new helmets to be introduced to NFL?

(http://images.machinedesign.com/images/archive/71739headgearjp_00000049670.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 12, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if they are introduced, NFL helmets have come along way down through the years. Had a few lectures in college on the forces generated through the cervical spine from collisions in NFL, crazy stuff back in the day when helmets weren't providing enough protection.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 01:15:24 PM
They'll definitely do something. They are seriously worried about concussions, and the way in which they are dealt with.  Kurt Warner may well retire after picking up another concussion this season. I read somewhere that a linebackers tacking force was measured in some hit or other, and it was measured as being forceful enough to move 1 ton 1 inch. That's fairly serious to be on the receiving end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 12, 2010, 01:22:10 PM
I thought there was a cheap hit on Rodgers as well from a helmet - Can't remember who it was but surprised the officials missed it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
That was Bertrand Berry, but I don't think that was a cheap hit. His hands were up trying to block the pass, but it was careless because he led with his helmet. However Warner took two hits like that, and one of them was definitely helmet to face. He was giving out to the officials about it with the result that he got a soft call for roughing the passer when he was barely touched on Fitzgerald's second TD pass. That was actually a hold on the Green Bay #77 and he got pushed into Warner and his hand hit him in the face.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2010, 02:10:58 PM
the cardinals greenbay was some game . it was funny that with both defenses under severe pressure all day  a defensive play won the game especially considering it was the player ( can't remeber his name )  that Green bay were targeting all day that made the tackle on rodgers  . i just love watching Arizona and warner even though i think that was the 1st match the sky showed this year felt sorry for rodgers i think he actually kicked it to the Arizona player who scored the td. roll on the weekend
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 12, 2010, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
That was Bertrand Berry, but I don't think that was a cheap hit. His hands were up trying to block the pass, but it was careless because he led with his helmet. However Warner took two hits like that, and one of them was definitely helmet to face. He was giving out to the officials about it with the result that he got a soft call for roughing the passer when he was barely touched on Fitzgerald's second TD pass. That was actually a hold on the Green Bay #77 and he got pushed into Warner and his hand hit him in the face.

I remember that play. I think that penalty was declined though- wasn't it the same play that Larry Fitz scored the TD where he should've been called for Offensive Pass Interference?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Newbridge Exile on January 12, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
Greetings all, good mate of mines just home from Philly, hes trying to find a web- site for watching NFL , Any suggestions?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 12, 2010, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 01:31:50 PM
That was Bertrand Berry, but I don't think that was a cheap hit. His hands were up trying to block the pass, but it was careless because he led with his helmet. However Warner took two hits like that, and one of them was definitely helmet to face. He was giving out to the officials about it with the result that he got a soft call for roughing the passer when he was barely touched on Fitzgerald's second TD pass. That was actually a hold on the Green Bay #77 and he got pushed into Warner and his hand hit him in the face.

I remember that play. I think that penalty was declined though- wasn't it the same play that Larry Fitz scored the TD where he should've been called for Offensive Pass Interference?

Yep, that was the one. Fitzgerald should have been called for offensive pass interference and one of the O Line lads wrestled your man into Warner. It should have been 10 yards back for Arizona. But in fairness they'd just have scored on the next play instead :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 12, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 12, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
Greetings all, good mate of mines just home from Philly, hes trying to find a web- site for watching NFL , Any suggestions?

Was going to say NFL.com broadcasts some games online, but there's probably a US-only restriction on it (the first Jets-Bengals game was on it). ESPN GO, assuming they also do live broadcasts, are probably the same. So this info is probably of absolutely no use to you!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 12, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2010, 02:10:58 PM
the cardinals greenbay was some game . it was funny that with both defenses under severe pressure all day  a defensive play won the game especially considering it was the player ( can't remeber his name )  that Green bay were targeting all day that made the tackle on rodgers  . i just love watching Arizona and warner even though i think that was the 1st match the sky showed this year felt sorry for rodgers i think he actually kicked it to the Arizona player who scored the td. roll on the weekend

Rodgers looked off on that last play, after the shot to the helmet the packers should have taken more time outs to determine if he was fit  to continue or not.

Home field advantage is huge because teams always seem to get the rub of the green in the playoffs when playing at home. Green bay are pissed at the officiating and they have a right to. The official the reffed the other day is the same idiot that screwed san diego over last year, it's all about the points spread baby. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
Quote from: stew on January 12, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 12, 2010, 02:10:58 PM
the cardinals greenbay was some game . it was funny that with both defenses under severe pressure all day  a defensive play won the game especially considering it was the player ( can't remeber his name )  that Green bay were targeting all day that made the tackle on rodgers  . i just love watching Arizona and warner even though i think that was the 1st match the sky showed this year felt sorry for rodgers i think he actually kicked it to the Arizona player who scored the td. roll on the weekend

Rodgers looked off on that last play, after the shot to the helmet the packers should have taken more time outs to determine if he was fit  to continue or not.

Home field advantage is huge because teams always seem to get the rub of the green in the playoffs when playing at home. Green bay are pissed at the officiating and they have a right to. The official the reffed the other day is the same idiot that screwed san diego over last year, it's all about the points spread baby. ;)

In fairness stew, the Packers need to be pissed off at their defensive coordinator. They couldn't tackle anybody, or cover anyone in the middle of the field. Steve Breaston and Earley Doucet must have thought they were back playing Pop Warner.

I didn't see too many bad calls on either side, apart from the Larry Fitz pass interference plays, and the helmet hits on both sides. Also Jennings was hit on the knee for that mad play down the sideline, so he should have been downed there. It wouldn't have mattered because Green Bay would have scored anyway, just like Arizona were going to score too.

I think Green Bay would be barking up the wrong tree by going after the officials.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 12, 2010, 04:25:41 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 12, 2010, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on January 12, 2010, 03:44:00 PM
Greetings all, good mate of mines just home from Philly, hes trying to find a web- site for watching NFL , Any suggestions?

Was going to say NFL.com broadcasts some games online, but there's probably a US-only restriction on it (the first Jets-Bengals game was on it). ESPN GO, assuming they also do live broadcasts, are probably the same. So this info is probably of absolutely no use to you!

On the contrary. Its only for use OUTSIDE the US. I use it and I find it pretty good, especially during the reg season. I can flick from game to game whenever I want, its HD, and after week one when they had problems, I havent had one single break in service.

They currently have a playoff deal on -$70 to subscribe for all the Playoff games. Its probably gone down now that Wild Card weekend is over. They reduced it every week during the regular season as less games were left to watch. You can also go back and watch any game when its over with all of the commercials removed. Im planning to rewatch Sundays night game at some stage this week.

the website is http://gamepass.nfl.com
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2010, 05:17:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 12, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
http://machinedesign.com/article/more-forgiving-headgear-1121

new helmets to be introduced to NFL?

(http://images.machinedesign.com/images/archive/71739headgearjp_00000049670.jpg)

That's a joke right - that article is over 3 years old
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 14, 2010, 06:38:21 PM
Well maybe so, it does look like a crap bike helmet. But there is pressure on the NFL to do something.

Anyway, I've just learned maybe some people know about this but the teams playing this weekend no matter what the outcome will not be able to sign free agents next season.

IF next year is uncapped that is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 14, 2010, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2010, 09:12:58 AM
I don't think McGwire is a surprise. I was in the states for that HR chase, and just comparing the body shapes of Sosa and McGwire with what they looked like 2 or 3 years previously was stark. I can't believe no one questioned it at the time. Baseball is a shambles.

They did question it.


Baseball is far from a shambles, people are sick of the steroid talk and want to move on, attendences are up and the sport is thriving with the wild card chases every year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2010, 08:23:49 PM
Stew, I meant the integrity of the game is a shambles. It is a game built on the history, the tradition, the aura. Greats like Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio and countless others do not deserve to have their place in history taken by cheats like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemens and Manny Ramirez. It's a f*cking disgrace what those lads have done to the game.

Baseball may well be doing well financially at the moment, but for an institution that prides itself on the deeds of those that went before, how can they reconcile that with whats going on now, and went on in the late 90s right up to today. They should run those bums out of baseball, and strike their records from the books. And never, ever let them near Cooperstown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 15, 2010, 10:44:45 AM
For anyone who wants to put money behind their picks:

Cardinals 5/2      Saints 10/31
Ravens 43/20     Colts  5/13
Cowboys 59/50  Vikings  5/7
Jets 11/4           Chargers 2/7

How about this for a price difference
Larry Fitz to score a TD anytime is 8/15 with paddy power whilst only 1/6 to Ladbrokes... :o
In my book ladbrokes have the price right.. he has 9 in his last 5 playoff games.
Even as a Saints Fan I have to put a few bob on him at them odds

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 15, 2010, 10:57:44 AM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 15, 2010, 10:44:45 AM
For anyone who wants to put money behind their picks:

Cardinals 5/2      Saints 10/31
Ravens 43/20     Colts  5/13
Cowboys 59/50  Vikings  5/7
Jets 11/4           Chargers 2/7

How about this for a price difference
Larry Fitz to score a TD anytime is 8/15 with paddy power whilst only 1/6 to Ladbrokes... :o
In my book ladbrokes have the price right.. he has 9 in his last 5 playoff games.
Even as a Saints Fan I have to put a few bob on him at them odds
so will i Rossie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2010, 11:02:58 AM
Cards are a good price, a team with momentum will be hard to stop. The Saints are coming in "cold" after a poor end to the regular season and a week off last week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 15, 2010, 11:15:00 AM
Agree with you. 5/2 cards is better value than the 11/4 jets.
Saints have all their defensive players back which will help them deal with Larry and co.
The worry I have about the Saints is they have to hit the ground running now after taking foot off the gas lately.
We seen last week that the team who got off to the flyers in Ravens and Cards held on for the win. If the Saints are as sluggish as they were in last 3 regular season games they will get beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 15, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
i hope your wrong lads as i have the saints picked from the start in our friends sweep steak for the bowl. it was all looking great a few weeks ago but now its looking dodgy to say the least.

are the ravens a good outside bet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 11:42:22 AM
Well it will test the maxim that defenses win championships. I think it's actually defenses and a run game. If the Saints or Cardinals manage to win the Superbowl, that will be blown out of the water.

On the basis of that statement you would have to fancy The Jets or Baltimore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 12:07:45 PM
Interesting topic/tradition on Mike and Mike (ESPN) at the moment. Every year they do a rating of each team regarding how 'confident' they are in each team in different areas. They rank QBs, Coaches, Offence and Defence, and then tally up all the points to see who should win the matches this weekend, and indeed the Superbowl. They don't claim to rate them in terms of ability, but how confident they are that the area will perform well.

They've just done quarterbacks, and this is their 8 rated. They've less confidence in Manning, Favre and Rivers because of the defenses they are facing this weekend.

1) Brees
2) Warner
3) Manning
4) Favre
5) Rivers
6) Romo
7) Flacco
8) Sanchez
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 12:33:18 PM
They've done the Defenses now, again largely based on matchups. Interesting they have all 4 AFC defenses first.

1) Ravens
2) Jets
3) Colts
4) Chargers
5) Cowboys
6) Vikings
7) Saints
8) Cardinals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 12:47:53 PM
Head Coaches now

1) Ken Whisenhunt - Cards
2) John Harbaugh - Ravens
3) Norv Turner - Redskins
4) Sean Payton - Saints
5) Rex Ryan - Jets
6) Jim Caldwell - Colts
7) Wade Philips - Cowboys
8) Brad Childress - Vikes

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Their 'confidence picks' have

Cardinals beating New Orleans
Baltimore beating Indianapolis
Dallas drawing with Minnesota !!
Chargers beating New York
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 15, 2010, 01:04:39 PM
QuoteNorv Turner - Redskins

You stilll in the 90s AZ??   :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 01:05:30 PM
Yep :D, Sorry about that :D At least I didn't say Marty Schottenheimer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 15, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
San Fran V Denver in Wembley this year 31/10/10 ,announced there. Galwaybayboy will be happy. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 15, 2010, 06:07:16 PM
Cowboys 17
Vikings 35

Jets 17
Chargers 35

Cardinals 35
Saints 24

Ravens 27
Colts 28
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 15, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 15, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
San Fran V Denver in Wembley this year ,announced there. Galwaybayboy will be happy. :)

If it was being played in the back garden, I would pull the curtains. Well maybe not that bad but not a great choice of games really.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 15, 2010, 06:11:24 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 15, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 15, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
San Fran V Denver in Wembley this year ,announced there. Galwaybayboy will be happy. :)

If it was being played in the back garden, I would pull the curtains. Well maybe not that bad but not a great choice of games really.

49ners are improving though, the 2nd game in Cardiff/Manchester will hopefully have a better match up....nothing confirmed about the 2nd game yet though, due to be decided in next few weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2010, 06:14:10 PM
It's impossible to predict what will be a good matchup in the NFL a year in advance. Tampa and New England looked decent game last year when it was announced with Tampa just missing out on the playoffs. It isn't like the English Premier Leaguer where you could pick the top ten most years and not be too far away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 15, 2010, 06:30:22 PM
I suppose it might be a good game. When are Croke Park going to get in touch with Roger Goodell to arrange a game, now that the rugby and soccer are gone and with Mr Rooney up in the Phoenix Park. It could be a good money making venture. They have a big enough and good enough pitch. Would such a venture sell out in Croke Park.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 15, 2010, 06:48:35 PM
It's hard to know if they could sell out in Croke Park. I think you would be depending on a huge crowd coming over from England to boost the attendance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 15, 2010, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2010, 08:23:49 PM
Stew, I meant the integrity of the game is a shambles. It is a game built on the history, the tradition, the aura. Greats like Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, Joe DiMaggio and countless others do not deserve to have their place in history taken by cheats like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemens and Manny Ramirez. It's a f*cking disgrace what those lads have done to the game.

Baseball may well be doing well financially at the moment, but for an institution that prides itself on the deeds of those that went before, how can they reconcile that with whats going on now, and went on in the late 90s right up to today. They should run those bums out of baseball, and strike their records from the books. And never, ever let them near Cooperstown.



my very thoughts az, mcguire makes me angry. george kimball had a good piece on him in the times

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0114/1224262298600.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2010, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 15, 2010, 06:09:23 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 15, 2010, 06:03:13 PM
San Fran V Denver in Wembley this year ,announced there. Galwaybayboy will be happy. :)

If it was being played in the back garden, I would pull the curtains. Well maybe not that bad but not a great choice of games really.

Not a bad game really. Both sides are decent but not great. At least there is not one useless team playing so it should be a tight competitive game. If Warner retires I'm sure the 49ers will be looking at winning their division next year and the Broncos nearly made the play-offs this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
I'll go to this. I like the niners, even though they are a divisional rival of the Cards. I was introduced into the NFL through lads like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, John Taylor, Ronnie Lott et al.

It's long trip for them though, 2 West 'Coast' teams. Maybe the Cardinals will be over soon too. Now that's a show :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 15, 2010, 07:39:43 PM
Its not a bad game. Both teams would have a fairly big fan base over here due to their success in 80/90s when NFL just
started on TV.
Hope Marshall stays with the Broncos now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
I think they'd fill Croker on a one off gig as well. It was pretty full back in 1996 for Navy v Notre Dame, and I think Notre Dame are coming back in 2012.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 15, 2010, 08:44:12 PM
Notre Dame play Navy on September 1st 2012.Last time they played in Croke Park there was an attendance of just over 36,000 but i would say that with better marketing next time,that number could double.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2010, 09:10:54 PM
Is that all there was? I was sure there was more there that day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 16, 2010, 10:31:58 AM
Yeah,i suppose it was a decent enough number though. According to reports,Notre Dame fans will be travelling across in huge numbers next time,possibly 15-20,000.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2010, 01:09:42 PM
Is 2012 an ND home game? 1996 was Navy. But given they are both even number years, would that make it a Navy home game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 16, 2010, 02:33:13 PM
If I can get tickets I'm going.  Dont want to miss this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2010, 03:48:45 PM
So who is the picks today?
Colts-6.5 vs Ravens and Cards vs saints-7.
Might take Shockey to score first at 12/1. R wayne is 4/1 in colts game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
Would love to head over to London for that game. When would the tickets go on sale? Thought it was going to be the eagles. They were being talked about alot. As for this weekends game im gonna go for:

Cardinals  35 - 24
Cowboys  27 - 24
Jets  :o  31- 28
Colts  24 - 17
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2010, 06:27:19 PM
There's 2 games on in the UK this year. I'm not sure if the second is also Wembley yet, probably will be. The Eagles would be a good bet for that. Do they play AFC East this year? If so, maybe the Eagles versus the Jets?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 16, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
Would love to head over to London for that game. When would the tickets go on sale? Thought it was going to be the eagles. They were being talked about alot. As for this weekends game im gonna go for:

Cardinals  35 - 24
Cowboys  27 - 24
Jets  :o  31- 28
Colts  24 - 17


Cardinals lose 38-21
Cowboys to bate that bastid favre, dont care what the score is as long as the boys win.
Jets lose 28-21
Colts win 41-17
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 16, 2010, 07:30:16 PM
Navy will be the home team again in 2012.

as for the weekend games i will go for the Saints,Cowboys,Chargers and Colts.
Really hope the Vikings can beat Dallas,can't stand the Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2010, 07:44:33 PM
I cant stand the Cowboys either, but I think they'll have enough for the Vikings, just about. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they blew up either.

The Cardinals were always an NFC East team before the last realignment. That's why I still see the Cowboys as the Cardinals' biggest rival, even though it should be San Francisco by rights. When I was a season ticket holder over there, the visit of the Cowboys was the biggest game every year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Paul Mc Graths Da on January 16, 2010, 07:58:14 PM
Saint, Colts, Cowboys + Chargers.  Accumulator pays around 5/1....Get on!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 16, 2010, 08:01:42 PM
Should be a good game in Minnesota.The Cowboys defense has been very good of late and Romo is playing well too.If the Vikings can put the clampers on Witten and Austin then they stand a great chance but that won't be easy.

I felt for the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year.It was a cruel way to lose the game.I'm sure Drew Brees will be looking to test the Cardinals secondary after their performance last week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2010, 08:25:02 PM
Going to take the Cards to cover and Colts to win today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 16, 2010, 09:37:34 PM
Some run from your man out of Police Acadamy there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2010, 09:49:29 PM
Blistering start by both teams, maybe I should head home and watch it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2010, 10:17:22 PM
Cards are slipping early. 21-7 1st qtr
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 16, 2010, 10:40:59 PM
Cards are back in the game. 21-14. Saints were unlucky that Sharpers interception was negated by a penalty.+-
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 16, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
28-14 on a Flea Flicker.
Warner throws an Int then gets WALLOPED.
Lets see if he returns to the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2010, 11:03:26 PM
Is that goodnight Cardinals. If Warner doensn't take the field it would be impossible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 16, 2010, 11:14:55 PM
No Warner, Boldin or Cormartie? are you kidding me, they are dead and buried. Unless their defense shows up and starts making lots of turnovers. They need Warner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 16, 2010, 11:25:10 PM
The Cards are not going to make a comeback with or without Warner, the Saints D is stepping up pressure a bit better than The Packers could last week.

And with Rodgers-Cromartie out, Sean Payton is pressing the gas on the O to score more especially through the air.

With 49 points in the 1st half sets a new NFL record.

550 YARDS TOTAL in the 1st Half looks like last weeks yardage might get beat  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 17, 2010, 09:19:48 AM
Didn't get to see the game on tv. Were the saints impressive or were the cards just lacking because of injuries?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 17, 2010, 11:23:13 AM
The Saints were very good last night. They're at home again next weekend and will be hard to beat.
Colts and Ravens was a tame enough affair,the Colts were never in any danger but will need to improve from last night's game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on January 17, 2010, 11:43:06 AM
Ya, good first match last night. Brees is class, but he was having all the time in the world. They moved the chains and scored with ease. Would be interesting to see how the Saints coped if they were absolutely struggling to move the ball against a good defence. Still they are well able to score. Reggie Bush was class.

for the Cardinals I hope Kurt Warner hangs on. They have a good set of receivers and could maybe trade Boldin and get some big lumps of lads in defence.

Watched the second game this morning, anticlimax, but a really good win for the Colts against that defence. The Ravens are one-dimensional on offence. Still it is only Flacco's second year but they seem to lack a bit of spark when needed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 17, 2010, 12:09:53 PM
The Cardinals have no defense and a very good offense. Every once in a while that will make for a great game and victory like they had last week but it won't get it done every week. In the draft last year they took a running back instead of a defensive player. Beanie Wells is good but when he is sharing carries with Hightower on a team that favours passing the ball, what was the point of that. Cardinals should keep Boldin, he was badly missed last night. There is not much point in Warner coming back if they trade away his best receivers. 

Injuries do play a big part at this time of year, because in the regular season the Cardinals might have had those same injuies but if you are playing the Rams or the Lions you still win. In the playoffs you are playing the best teams so you need your best players to beat them. Also if someone goes on IR you can't pick up players off the street to replace them at short notice. So injuries are a big factor at this time of year, the team that avoids them will do very well.

Slept through most of the Ravens Colts game, but Ravens did't get anything done on offense so they could not hope to win. They were a bit unlucky with some refereeing calls that did not go their way and Ed Reed fumbling that interception.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on January 17, 2010, 12:28:44 PM
Hi Pat,

That's a great point about drafting Beanie Wells. It didn't fill their biggest need although they were a couple of minutes from winning the superbowl so it is easy look back now.
I think Boldin has wanted out for a couple of seasons. The guys that have stepped up, (Breaston, Doucet and the other young lad) look decent enough. You are right that they haven't a strong defence, bar a couple of top performers in their secondary. If they are close to the salary cap they need to shuffle about and it might be attractive to trade Boldin to a team that is in big need of a top receiver (maybe Chicago, Denver if Marshall goes, Ravens, and some other obvious ones that won't come to mind now). They could pick up some top defensive talent. They are also in an easyish division altough the 49ers will be improving and challenging more strongly from now on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2010, 01:03:55 PM
They probably should have taken a defensive player last year in the draft but they hadn't a running game at all with Hightower. Wells should become a good every down back, though they will always be a pass first team with the current personnel. Hope that isn't the end of Warner. Doesent seem like 10 years ago he led the Rams to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 17, 2010, 02:54:13 PM
the best game of the weekend should, in theory at least be the next one, Dallas in Viqueen country. The queens have a huge advantage at home in the noisest and crappiest stadia in America, they are playing on turf in a dome and they will get the usual three or four calls they shouldnt get thanks to being at home.

Dallas are red hot, Romo is getting better week to week and the best bit is that clampett Favre is due an awful bad game, the dallas pass rush is very, very good but they are going against the best front four on the planet. Should be a great game

Prediction: Queens 27- Dallas 34. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2010, 05:21:28 PM
Disappointing for the Cards, but not completely unexpected. The defense didn't show up until the Saints started just running the clock down. The Cardinals actually don't have a bad run D when they are up against a non-elite passing team, because they are able to hang in against the receivers, and play the linebackers and safeties closer to the line of scrimmage. They've beaten quite a few run first teams that way.

The problem is, as it has been since I first went to Arizona games, that they always struggle against good passing teams, and they just cannot cover people. DRC's injury and Rolle's injury last night didn't help, but they were both there against GB. That is the Cardinal's achilles heal and needs to be addressed. Hagen's injury last night spelled doom as well. He's an underrated guy.

They also cannot tackle. Too busy looking to be the big fella and lay a lad out. Bush got at least two big runs last night because fellas flew at him like torpedoes, leading with their shoulder rather than wrapping up. It's criminal and it's a constant failing. You lay down a big hit when you are absolutely sure of it, you make sure you tackle the guy first and foremost.

I too hope Warner stays, but I'd not be absolutely distraught with Leinhart. He's improved work ethic wise, and he came in last night in a rotten situation and looked good on the drive to set up the missed FG at the end of the 1st half. The 4th quarter didn't tell anything, but in the Cardinals scheme, if Wells and Hightower continue to improve, he'll be okay if they need him.

As for Boldin, I'd say he'll be gone. The issue now is what you can get for him. I'd be looking at keeping Breston, Doucet and Fitz, supplementing them with a second or third round draft pick. Pick either a cover corner to go opposite DRC with the first pick, or else a good tackling linebacker.

For last years draft, I think it was Minder who I agree with, they had to get Wells first. Their run game was atrocious last year until the playoffs when James added a little bit. Hightower is not an every down back. He is a pass catching full back, and when teams see him they think screen or quick out. That's why he gets good runs every now and then, but he is not going to pound the ball for you. Wells can do that, and will get better as he matures especially in holding on to the ball, so I think they are set at tailback. It's a good one two punch.

I think they are set at receiver, even if Boldin goes, because a lot of it is scheme, and quick release, which Leinhart will have to learn, or else leave.

QB is not set, but Leinhart has a chance even if Warner goes. The rest is up to him. They'll drop off next season if Warner's not there, but maybe to 8-8, I don't think they'll go back to 4-12 or 6-10.

Defense is the big problem, and that's where the Cardinals need to draft and trade for. Next year is an uncapped year which will bring it's own problems, and maybe a strike in 2011, so they may be worried about being held to ransom on contracts, but if they don't draft well on defense, and trade for veterans, they'll be in big trouble again.

They are fun to watch though, and if Warner goes, then all I can say is thanks greybeard. LEgend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2010, 06:03:08 PM
Bears DE Gaines Adams has passed away due to an unknown illness today. Just 26 years old. RIP.  :(

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d815c91c1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
Farve strikes first. Dallas running the ball well! Vikings 7 cowboys 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 17, 2010, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 17, 2010, 06:03:08 PM
Bears DE Gaines Adams has passed away due to an unknown illness today. Just 26 years old. RIP.  :(

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d815c91c1&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true


thats sad news..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 07:00:18 PM
Vikings making Dallas look very ordinary at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Farve at it again..the mans class
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 07:26:37 PM
That last play sums it up. Vikings well on top
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 07:27:30 PM
Romo at it again! Shite although his protection aint up to much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 07:30:52 PM
protection is horrible...whats the word around vegas on the jets game..need to get money i will lose on dallas back  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
A lot seem to be taking chargers! Spread now 8.5 might have the same prob ND! Lad was telling me all week to do cowboys, wish I didn't listen!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
Better start to second half by the Cowboys so far. If they score 7 on this drive it'll make it an interesting game

Forget that  - Romo having a mare even if protection isn't great
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
A lot seem to be taking chargers! Spread now 8.5 might have the same prob ND! Lad was telling me all week to do cowboys, wish I didn't listen!

Not over yet lad..you should know not to listen to that lad he knows nothing  :D
f**k ye romo  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 08:19:51 PM
Oh dear Romo again what was he thinking?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 08:20:09 PM
Game over Dallas shit the knickers again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
What is that man at! Dallas defence doing all they can!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 17, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
romo interception, dallas near dead. what about the old guy tho, that farve is some operator. .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
What is that man at! Dallas defence doing all they can!

Drive you bad..feel like throwing remote at the tv!

LETS GO JETS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2010, 08:30:50 PM
couldn't watch any more of that. I'd actually rather watch

(http://wwwimage.cbs.com/specials/cbs_75/images/gallery/20031017.jpg)

than Dallas.

They can be brilliant one week, horseshite the next.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2010, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: new devil on January 17, 2010, 08:23:07 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
What is that man at! Dallas defence doing all they can!

Drive you bad..feel like throwing remote at the tv!

LETS GO JETS

agreed, big game from sanchez today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Archie Mitchell on January 17, 2010, 08:33:07 PM
3 poor games so far. Hope the next game isn't as bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 08:37:35 PM
Great pass from the ould fella but jaysus Dallas are muck
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 17, 2010, 08:38:16 PM
what a throw by farve!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 08:40:18 PM
Hate the way farve runs about with his arms up (like alan shearer used to do) after he throws a TD..don't see many  other QB's doing that as much
This one of the best thou
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 08:45:24 PM
It's embarrassing now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2010, 08:55:16 PM
Poor oul Stew.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 09:02:01 PM
Favre again  - rubbing the cowboys nose in it now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 17, 2010, 09:34:48 PM
Missed all the games all weekend. Didnt miss much by the sounds of it. Feet up and ready to watch my San Diego Superchargers and the Jets.

SD are by far a better team, BUT the Jets are a terrible match up for them. Could finally be a close game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on January 17, 2010, 09:45:59 PM
Poor Romo.


The wheels well and truly came off tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 17, 2010, 09:48:27 PM
sanchez needs a big game tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 10:02:01 PM
Poor enough start in this one as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2010, 10:02:45 PM
Bad miss there, after not missing 1 inside 40 yards in 2 1/2 years

Go jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 10:15:44 PM
Chargers giving up a lot of penalties. Jets hanging in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 10:18:14 PM
Both sides giving away yards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2010, 10:26:53 PM
seems to be a right few jets fans in san diego.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 10:28:07 PM
TD chargers - based on the action so far it's hard to see the jets scoring much
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 10:33:03 PM
Some noise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 10:35:33 PM
SD defence rightly pumped for this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 17, 2010, 10:43:27 PM
Poxed with that decision. Looked like fumble
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 10:45:42 PM
Bad decision by the refs! Chargers offensive line protecting Rivers well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 17, 2010, 10:47:10 PM
Absolutely a fumble.

Antonio Gates is an unfair advantage to the Chargers. He is a BEAST.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 10:49:49 PM
Jets finding a bit of room.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
Bit better from the jets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 17, 2010, 10:59:23 PM
Can't see the Jets winning this..hope iam wrong  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:09:05 PM
Jets seem to struggle on their 3rd down.

You'd imagine if the Chargers got 2 TDs ahead it'd be hard to see the Jets making inroads.

Scary miss from Kaeding though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 17, 2010, 11:10:49 PM
Yep - poor kicking alright
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2010, 11:17:52 PM
Jets can take some confidence from that half. Holding Chargers to seven no easy task.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:44:21 PM
Jets actually looking more likely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:45:45 PM
....maybe not...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:51:09 PM
Ah come on - shows that the challenge/replay facility doesn't mean officials' errors are eradicated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2010, 11:51:56 PM
fcuk sake, philip rivers is one yappy bastid. second time today he has ran 20+ yards to prove a point when he was wrong.

Go jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:52:54 PM
Sorry, good call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2010, 11:57:12 PM
Something tells me the winning score will got by someone on the defence
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:58:25 PM
Yep, next TD crucial. Chargers playing well within themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 17, 2010, 11:59:57 PM
Get the impression SD are imploding, esp Rivers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:00:54 AM
Happy to concede a field goal here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on January 18, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
C'mon the Jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 12:07:25 AM
Yessssssssss come on the jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:07:48 AM
Shite.

Momentum def Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2010, 12:08:12 AM
touchdown jets!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:11:46 AM
Rivers has to open up now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 12:15:01 AM
Great stuff by Revis what a player. Jets have the momentum now.  Rivers will open up but more chance of interceptions!  Keep it going Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:18:27 AM
The end is nigh.

I knew that week off was a bad thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 18, 2010, 12:24:21 AM
Game Over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2010, 12:24:31 AM
touchdown jets!!!!!. Look at the head on rivers  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 12:24:36 AM
f**king leathal....carmen hope you listened to me in this game too  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 12:28:11 AM
Oh yes I did! Would like a few field goals to get a 10-1 parlay up aswell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:31:10 AM
Glunk.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 12:35:23 AM
Can you believe that! This casino has gone very quiet apart from me ! :-)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 12:45:39 AM
On side kick could be interesting here!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 12:50:39 AM
One more first down for the Jets should do it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:52:36 AM
Chargers onside kick was crap.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:56:42 AM
Game over.

Chargers hype again.

2011.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 12:57:35 AM
Game over...big call there thankfully it worked  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 12:59:06 AM
Kaeding's first miss at that length in 2 years was crucial.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
And he missed 3??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 01:02:07 AM
Saints v Colts SB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2010, 01:03:40 AM
Fair fucks to the Jets! Not many thought they'd keep the Chargers to less than 20 points, which seemed to be the magic number for a potential Jets win (everyone was saying they won't win this one 17-13!). And to do it with a young quarterback who they will hardly let throw the ball!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 18, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
2 out of 4 in the predictions for me and I got the Jets points total correct.

A lot of the experts went for the Cowboys, Chargers and Cardinals all are out.

What went wrong for the Chargers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 18, 2010, 01:05:56 AM
Quote from: new devil on January 18, 2010, 01:00:33 AM
And he missed 3??

In terms of points, it was 2 out of 11.

Vikings V Jets in the super bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 01:08:10 AM
As O'Neill says the two week break done them no favors! Plus the Jets defense was brilliant!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2010, 01:09:29 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 01:08:10 AM
As O'Neill says the two week break done them no favors! Plus the Jets defense was brilliant!

The break didn't hurt Minnesota or New Orleans or Indianapolis too much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 01:10:13 AM
Everything they did with ease, failed today. Even Kaeding's kicking. LT was anonymous.

Never thought they were good enough. Colts and Saints will def contest SB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 01:11:34 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 18, 2010, 01:09:29 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 01:08:10 AM
As O'Neill says the two week break done them no favors! Plus the Jets defense was brilliant!

The break didn't hurt Minnesota or New Orleans or Indianapolis too much.

It didn't, but the Chargers were feeding off a run like that despite being an average side.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 01:12:45 AM
Didn't effect the other teams because they were playing dirt teams! Jets will put it up to any team now! How ironic would it be for the Jets to beat colts after colts letting them into playoffs to start with!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 01:19:48 AM
Also you could add the fact Chargers had 10 penalties called against them!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 18, 2010, 01:25:12 AM
It would be something else to see the Jets beat the Colts, but the Jets are pushing their luck getting this far. The oppositions kickers won't go on missing forever.

In their last 4 games the Jets have beaten the 3 AFC divison winners 4 times and even though 2 of those were gifts they have a lot of momentum.

I am a Vikings fan and after that performance today and a little bit of luck with injuires I think the Vikings will win the NFC. I will hold off calling the super bowl until we know the contenders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2010, 01:26:15 AM
AFC Champ
Jets vs Colts -7.5
Over under 41
Latest from Vegas;

NFC Champ
Vikings vs Saints -4
Over under 53

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 01:31:37 AM
Stick a grand on the jets for me CS...Vegas might bring me more luck :D

Jets V Saints superbowl with the Jets winning  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 01:35:15 AM
No, Jets haven't a hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2010, 01:36:14 AM
Strong Defence and a solid running game and you can do damage in the play-offs. its happened so many times before. Rex Ryan has done a tremendous job. Sanchez as a rookie, maybe he's not allowed do too much but he's not turning it over crucially.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 18, 2010, 01:49:29 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 18, 2010, 01:36:14 AM
Strong Defence and a solid running game and you can do damage in the play-offs. its happened so many times before. Rex Ryan has done a tremendous job. Sanchez as a rookie, maybe he's not allowed do too much but he's not turning it over crucially.

No question Sanchez has come on in leaps and bounds since earlier in the season. Far fewer interceptions and attempts at risky or overambitious passes. The problem is what happens when the running game is stopped though - will he be capable of pulling the team through?

If you took this season's Jets defense and rushing offense and melded it with the Giants passing offense, you'd have some side!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 01:54:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 01:35:15 AM
No, Jets haven't a hope.

They had no hope the last 2 games has well  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: new devil on January 18, 2010, 01:54:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 01:35:15 AM
No, Jets haven't a hope.

They had no hope the last 2 games has well  ;)

Wanna bet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 18, 2010, 02:33:04 AM
How much?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 08:02:51 AM
A pound.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2010, 09:14:13 AM
I was surpised at the Charger's implosion. Not so much at the way the Jets got after them, but the way they were penalised, dropped passes and missed field goals. That was the Pro Bowl kicker right there. Unreal. The Jets were able to keep it tight and that meant they could run all day. In fairness to Sanchez though, most of his throws were on the money, but if the Chargers could have gotten up by 2 scores or more, that game was over.

The Vikes looked impressive. That was some performance by the defensive line. Next week's games will be very interesting. Can the Saints protect Brees like they did against the Cardinals? The Vikings pass rush is in a different league, but if you have to blitz with linebackers or safeties to get to him, then Brees will shred the Viking's secondary. I saw Warner do exactly that to the Vikings, and the Saints are just as loaded on offense. Bush might be a big weapon for screens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 18, 2010, 11:28:20 AM
Some kick in the stones last night. Penalties, special teams killed the chargers not to mention that pathetic defensive play when Jets got the 50+ yards touchdown. Last time LT will play for chargers I'd say.
If Jets win superbowl it'll be like when Greece won the European championship, not easy to watch but get the job done!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 18, 2010, 11:41:27 AM
The longer the Jets hung in ,the more chance there was of the upset
I can't believe Nate Kaeding though,he'll never have as bad a day again.

Thank god the Cowboys are out.Now i can finally relax and enjoy the playoffs :D
The Minnesota defense was awesome.Romo was hounded all afternoon and wasn't allowed time to find his targets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 18, 2010, 11:49:48 AM
The Chargers lost it more than the Jets won it. They lost their discipline and Kaeding missed kicks he was sleepwalking over during the season.

There seems to be a brittle side to the Chargers when it comes to the play-offs. Turner coming in for some abuse. He never really seemed to be accepted anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2010, 11:54:44 AM
Bad weekend for the predictions myself but enjoyed the Jets/Bolts game.

Sad news about Gaines Adams. He was starting to get more involved towards the end of the season. 26 is no age.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 18, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
Chargers blew it. Jets were there for the taking in 1st half and if Chargers has got a 2nd td it was game over.
Cant see the Jets scoring enough to beat the colts. Their running game will keep the colts off the park for sure but it take them an age to put points on the board.
If Colts jump into an early lead like they did in ravens games its all over.

The Vikes have a good pass rush but the Saints have far more weapons than the Cowboys. Meachan, Thomas and Lance Moore did nothing at weekend and they still put up 45pts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 19, 2010, 11:14:28 PM
The Vikings defensvie line will be in one piece on sunday as Edwards is not badly injured. I beleive that will be bad news for Drew Brees on sunday and he won't get the time required to shred the Viking defense.

Vikings 34
Saints 19

The Colts will put this game to bed early.

Colts 35
Jets 17
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 20, 2010, 09:12:56 AM
Can't see the Vikings winning as easily as that though i do think they will beat the Saints.

You would think that the Colts should win with a few to spare,but i'm not so sure.There's something about this Jets team that tells me they could cause an upset.They are hard to put away and if the Colts don't get on top early then it could get very uncomfortable for Manning and co.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2010, 09:47:47 AM
I don't see the Jets bein able to run as easily on the Colts. If the Colts get up early the Jets will have to throw more often and I can't see Sanchez being able to generate enough offense to win. You would think the Jets would need at least 20 pts to beat the Colts, I'm not sure they have it in them. Another problem is if Revis shuts down Wayne you still have Addai out of the backfield, Collie, Garcon and Dallas Clark to contend with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 21, 2010, 10:26:36 PM
Vincent Jackson was arrested before the game last week, Rivers had to come and bail him out. He was stopped for playing his music too loud. (Maybe that should read stopped for being black) but it turned out he had an invalid licence and invalid number plates on his car!!

Dumbass!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 21, 2010, 10:31:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 21, 2010, 10:26:36 PM
Vincent Jackson was arrested before the game last week, Rivers had to come and bail him out. He was stopped for playing his music too loud. (Maybe that should read stopped for being black) but it turned out he had an invalid licence and invalid number plates on his car!!

Dumbass!

words fail me....
at least he didnt shoot himself ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on January 22, 2010, 01:43:34 PM
Geaux Saints!

massive weekend...

Cant see the jets story going on much longer..

Saints Colts Bowl..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2010, 03:15:20 PM
As long as the vikings lose I dont care who wins it but New Orleans winning it would be great after everything that area has went through.

Brees is a fantastic, the thought of him and manning going at it would excite a lot of fans of the aul pigskin, it would be the highest scoring superbowl ever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2010, 09:01:45 PM
Peyron Manning doing some work with the kids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDfVmfzX_sY&feature=youtube_gdata
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 22, 2010, 10:16:48 PM
Vikings should be ok against the saints, they have a couple of injury concerns especially Harvin with his migraines.

I wonder about the Jets, you never know with them. They are a tough team and they are on fire. I think Peyton has too many options for them to shut them all down.  Their big thing has been Revis shutting down the oppositions number 1 receiver and that has really hindered teams like New England and Houston in the regular season and Cincinati with Ochocinco and San Diego with Jackson in the playoffs. I think The Colts with Wayne and Dallas Clark as well as the rookies Garcon and Collie might have too much for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2010, 03:45:27 AM
Payton and his Gealic!
http://seekinginthezeitgeist.blogspot.com/2009/11/museing-upon-colts-and-gaelic-football.html (http://seekinginthezeitgeist.blogspot.com/2009/11/museing-upon-colts-and-gaelic-football.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 23, 2010, 09:40:30 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2010, 03:45:27 AM
Payton and his Gealic!
http://seekinginthezeitgeist.blogspot.com/2009/11/museing-upon-colts-and-gaelic-football.html (http://seekinginthezeitgeist.blogspot.com/2009/11/museing-upon-colts-and-gaelic-football.html)

can you copy and paste the article Carmen it won't show me the article just the headline
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2010, 12:35:35 PM
Its a short video clip.  Will look round Youtube to see can i find it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2010, 12:37:40 PM
Here you go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPsnV4KfuI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjPsnV4KfuI)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
Think this is the source of it.  5 mins in.
http://www.archive.org/details/KennyMayne11-10-09 (http://www.archive.org/details/KennyMayne11-10-09)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 24, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
predictions:     jets - 19    Colts - 17

                    vikings - 24   Saints - 30


Hopefully today will be the end of farve. Another high scoring game with plenty of big calls.

Worried that if the jets fall 2 tds behind there could end up be 20+ in the game at the end. They longer the hang in there the more chance they have (seem as last week). Need yet another big performance from rivas and well as sanchez. The running game wont work as well im sure so he will have to throw the ball under pressure.

Jets v Saints Superbowl  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 07:29:45 PM
lets go jets!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 07:53:03 PM
J E T S  jets jets jets!

Hoping for the jets to pull off the shock, Jets vs Vikings Super bowl!

Let the drinking begin!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 24, 2010, 08:09:07 PM
Let the fun begin.
Go Saints and gotta shout for the underdog in the AFC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 08:09:43 PM
Eat that Payton!
Great to get a sack on him so early!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 24, 2010, 08:15:01 PM
Yeaaaaaaaaaa
What a throw my sanchez under pressure
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2010, 08:18:52 PM
Bad miss.

Go Colts  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2010, 08:21:54 PM
The ghost of Kaeding returns. Yer man says that during the play-offs, the kicking percentage drops to 53% from 87% during regular season. Suppose the same happened Charlie Redmond.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2010, 08:22:30 PM
Those statistics just mentioned there show the pressure of the playoffs.

During the regular season field goal kickers hit 81% of their field goals but in they playoff they only hit 57% of their field goals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 24, 2010, 08:28:27 PM
Lads where can I watch these games on the net, justintv says server too busy?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 24, 2010, 08:39:54 PM
Try here Zulu although might be busy too
http://atdhe.net/index.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 08:42:31 PM
Bad miss from Feeley, every score will be vital.  Both defences looking strong.  Big stop there from Jets.  They need to get a good drive going in this second quarter.  The longer Manning is off the field the better for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 08:45:16 PM
Get in there!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 24, 2010, 08:45:54 PM
YES.......get in there....good stuff sanchez
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 08:46:24 PM
WOOOOOOOOW!!!! Touchdown jets..... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 24, 2010, 08:46:54 PM
touchdown jets  ;D. Cant get the game anywhere online. >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
That should open up there run game a little.  Colts D will have to watch for it long now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Another big stop.  Bit easy for manning on the drive , all came from 12 men on Jets d.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 09:08:58 PM
how did sanchez get rid of that ball?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on January 24, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
try www.atdhe.net
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:10:20 PM
Thought they had him.  Some game so far.  Have fliked over to the Milan derby during breaks, how boring is that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:11:46 PM
Fair fucks to Sanchez, game on!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 09:12:38 PM
WOOOOOOOOW2!!!!!! what about them jets 14-6 jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 24, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
fumble!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 24, 2010, 09:20:09 PM
Got it, cheers lads.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 09:21:28 PM
Jets field goal 17-6 jets heading for the half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
Hopefully they get in at the half without conceding. 2 mins a long time with Manning around.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:28:20 PM
Holy shit, what about that! 80 yards 50 secs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
Hopefully they get in at the half without conceding. 2 mins a long time with Manning around.

not to be.... bollix >:( 17-13 new game now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:35:42 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 09:25:32 PM
Hopefully they get in at the half without conceding. 2 mins a long time with Manning around.

not to be.... bollix >:( 17-13 new game now

Bit disappointing to concede late but if you had told me before the game that the Jets would be leading at the half i would have been delighted.  Playing well, and all year they have been a second half team!  Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 24, 2010, 09:38:32 PM
Great game and still the vikings and saints to come..... :o :o

Can't believe how well sanchez has stepped up in the playoffs..hopefully he can keep it going for 1 more half!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2010, 10:01:22 PM
Touchdown Colts.

Should be some finish to this game.  Come on Colts!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
Manning is starting to shred them. 20-17 Colts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 10:02:51 PM
jets d asleep. . its going to take a lot of work by the jets to win this
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 24, 2010, 10:03:54 PM
 :-[ :-[ Can't see the Jets winning this game defence are asleep......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2010, 10:36:05 PM
Another touchdown.

Jets have it all to do now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 24, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
plain sailing now I'd say. Pretty sure I saw Manning snoozing on the sideline.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2010, 10:37:26 PM
Unless they get in Mannings face it is over. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 24, 2010, 10:38:27 PM
game over
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 10:38:49 PM
Dont see any way back now.  Colts receivers all able to make big plays.  Jets will have to give it a lash now, Sanchez may get the arm going!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 24, 2010, 10:38:27 PM
game over

my head says so too but....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 24, 2010, 10:39:49 PM
Go Colts!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 24, 2010, 10:47:10 PM
Those two kicks Feely missed looking crucial now. Been a good game. Hard to see Jets doing it now though. Another first down, Garcon again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 10:47:31 PM
Garcon is a bit of a handful!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 24, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
All over now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 24, 2010, 11:02:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 24, 2010, 10:47:10 PM
Those two kicks Feely missed looking crucial now. Been a good game. Hard to see Jets doing it now though. Another first down, Garcon again.

game over i'm sick. jets needed everything today, manning is some player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 24, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
Manning is excellent but didn't realise God was only playing for the Colts!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2010, 11:27:05 PM
Should've been the Bolts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 24, 2010, 11:29:23 PM
Dont think they would have beat them either.
Would like Farve to make the super bowl but a Saints win would be great for New Orleans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 24, 2010, 11:52:22 PM
Impressive opening drive from Vikings
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 24, 2010, 11:54:13 PM
Peterson is making up for the last few weeks. I expect the Saints to Brees down the field in response. Should be a tit-for-tat game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 25, 2010, 12:04:56 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2010, 11:27:05 PM
Should've been the Bolts.

But its not  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 25, 2010, 12:06:54 AM
Did your man on Sky sports just say that it was "piss poor" tackling for first touch down for Saints? Good on him, he's right
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 12:13:42 AM
Favre is taking a hammering and fairly late as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2010, 12:20:08 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 12:13:42 AM
Favre is taking a hammering and fairly late as well.

Hope it continues
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 12:38:19 AM
What a touchdown! Looks like its building up nicely. Brees did brilliant in the pocket, Henderson did fantastic to catch a slightly high pass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2010, 01:59:14 AM
Farve taking alot of punishment, cant see him finishing this one!
Still anyones game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 02:10:15 AM
Some of the hits were disgraceful though. Farve looks broken. Vikings cant hold onto the ball at all. Saints are in command now thanks to sloppy ball handling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2010, 02:23:05 AM
ANOTHER one. . . surely it isn't that feckin hard to hold onto! Did anyone else think that was a cheap shot on Favre it can't be legal to dive at someone's ankle wearing one of those helmets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 02:34:37 AM
Its illegal to hit the QB below the knee in the pocket if I'm not mistaken. Fair play to him he's showing how much he wants it tonight still playing no doubt in pain. Vikings are back in it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 25, 2010, 02:53:14 AM
Were the hell was he going with that??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 25, 2010, 02:56:06 AM
He could have just run and would have got them a very decent position for the field goal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2010, 02:57:19 AM
Ridiculous and I'm not staying up any longer!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 03:00:28 AM
Saints win the toss, take the ball and return the ensuing kick-off to their own 40. Wont be any bother for Brees to get them into FG range. But we've seen kickers f**k things up all year. but then again its indoors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 25, 2010, 03:01:41 AM
Some f**k up from farve....wait for that muppet stew to come on and stick the knife in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2010, 03:45:11 AM
great day's watching, Jets made a go of it and then the colts pulled away.

Saints are definitely there on viking stupidity.  They were outfought and completely outplayed by the vikings throughout the game for the vikings to throw it all away with a 12 man in the huddle penalty to move it out of field goal range and the interception was horrendous. And as for the AP fumbles?
Then in OT, saints got a Pass interference that wasn't, and had three plays which should have been overturned on review which weren't including a first down and a reception.
Looking forward to hearing on endless loops all about how poor New Orleans has recovered from tragedy in true american fashion.

Colts by 15
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 25, 2010, 05:24:50 AM
Gutted with that. Losing the turnover battle 5-1, 12 men in the huddle, the idiotic conservative play calling of Childress leading up to that, the last Favre interception. That is before getting onto the referees decisions. After all that I would like to see the saints win out but don't think they will.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 25, 2010, 10:41:27 AM
I still can't believe how the Vikings lost that one.That was a horrible throw from Favre for the last interception.Great kick from Hartley to win it though,straight down the middle.

Manning was different class last night and made the no.1 defense look very ordinary.He has so many options on offense and the Saints will struggle to contain him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 11:47:47 AM
I dozed off on the couch almost right after my last post, didn't know who won till this morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 25, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Stew will be delighted!

I'm of a different opinion. Fair play to Favre to be able to fight like hell at his age. Big mistake at the end cost his team big time but seems like he took a lot of punishment and sucked it up and kept going for it.

Really hope New Orleans do it. Nothing against the Colts but it would be great for the Saints to do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 25, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Quoteand had three plays which should have been overturned on review
Thats crap.
Meachans catch was legit. Thomas also made the 1st down
The pass interference call to give David Thomas the 1st down was the only bad call, admittedly a terrible call.
Vikes still have only themselves to blame.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2010, 12:18:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Fair play to Favre to be able to fight like hell at his age. Big mistake at the end cost his team big time but seems like he took a lot of punishment and sucked it up and kept going for it.

The wife will hardly let him play another season,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 25, 2010, 01:27:37 PM
Saints weren't that impressive last night really apart from their ability to hit Favre. The Vikings nearly put up double the offence across the board but if you fumble the ball 5 times you are not going to win games like that usually yet they still had it in their own hands with a minute left to play. Daft then to be caught with 12 men in the huddle when they were just inside Longwell's range. Even after that Favre should have ran with that ball instead of throwing it. Even his old legs would probably have gained 5 to 10 yards with the space that was in front of him and that's all they needed. Longwell is a good kicker so he would have had a decent chance from there. Hard to blame Favre though as the Vikings couldn't protect him all game. I'd say he's sore as feck today.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2010, 03:30:52 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 25, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Quoteand had three plays which should have been overturned on review
Thats crap.
Meachans catch was legit. Thomas also made the 1st down
The pass interference call to give David Thomas the 1st down was the only bad call, admittedly a terrible call.
Vikes still have only themselves to blame.

or...
meachen didnt have control of the ball when it hit the ground, and although thomas himself  may have made first down the ball didn't and fair play to him, he did some job of holding on to it. The tv replay when you could see both sets of chains showed clearly that the ball was well short of the first...

but in the end it doesn't matter, Saints won and thats that.
I think the vikings should try and hold on to favre no matter how weird that sounds, and i wouldnt have said that before the season started but he had some year with them. wonder who carries the can for the 12 man penalty that cost the game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 25, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Stew will be delighted!

I'm of a different opinion. Fair play to Favre to be able to fight like hell at his age. Big mistake at the end cost his team big time but seems like he took a lot of punishment and sucked it up and kept going for it.

Really hope New Orleans do it. Nothing against the Colts but it would be great for the Saints to do it.

I dont think Favre cost them the game - but I wont mind it being pointed out that Im a big Brett fan.

5 turnovers (where the vikings havnt had a 3 turnover game all season) and a penalty for the 12 man huddle?

They left this one behind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2010, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 25, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Stew will be delighted!

I'm of a different opinion. Fair play to Favre to be able to fight like hell at his age. Big mistake at the end cost his team big time but seems like he took a lot of punishment and sucked it up and kept going for it.

Really hope New Orleans do it. Nothing against the Colts but it would be great for the Saints to do it.

I dont think Favre cost them the game - but I wont mind it being pointed out that Im a big Brett fan.

5 turnovers (where the vikings havnt had a 3 turnover game all season) and a penalty for the 12 man huddle?

They left this one behind.

Good aul Brett, he never fails to let his team down just when they need him the most, a regular season legend but a playoff bust, the one superbowl win was with the help of one of the most talented packer teams ever and coached by a legend.

Three teams have now lost their whole superbowl aspirations on the back of brett, the pack of course, the jets, (who couldnt stand the guy) and last and by all means least, the VIKINGS.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

How does that taste viking fans?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;DA classless organization gets exactly what it deserves when qb'd by a classless, interception throwing machine.

I love this result, fecking brilliant result, I couldnt be happier that they lost, the are the Down of the National Football League. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 25, 2010, 06:30:45 PM
Stew, you are so full of unbridled bias and hate on this issue that everything that comes from your Gob about Favre is sheer nonsense!

Its beyond a joke, but enjoy your day in the sun (on the back of a vikings loss, not a packers success btw).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
On last nights showing if the Colts keep the turnovers to a minimum they should beat the Saints by 10 (at least). I don't buy all this bullshit about New Orleans "needing it more" after what happened with hurricane Katrina. Most of those affected were poor blacks that couldn't afford a pint of milk never mind a ticket to an NFL game, but it will be the theme for the next fortnight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 25, 2010, 07:29:05 PM
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2010, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 25, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Stew will be delighted!

I'm of a different opinion. Fair play to Favre to be able to fight like hell at his age. Big mistake at the end cost his team big time but seems like he took a lot of punishment and sucked it up and kept going for it.

Really hope New Orleans do it. Nothing against the Colts but it would be great for the Saints to do it.

I dont think Favre cost them the game - but I wont mind it being pointed out that Im a big Brett fan.

5 turnovers (where the vikings havnt had a 3 turnover game all season) and a penalty for the 12 man huddle?

They left this one behind.

Good aul Brett, he never fails to let his team down just when they need him the most, a regular season legend but a playoff bust, the one superbowl win was with the help of one of the most talented packer teams ever and coached by a legend.

Three teams have now lost their whole superbowl aspirations on the back of brett, the pack of course, the jets, (who couldnt stand the guy) and last and by all means least, the VIKINGS.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

How does that taste viking fans?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;DA classless organization gets exactly what it deserves when qb'd by a classless, interception throwing machine.

I love this result, fecking brilliant result, I couldnt be happier that they lost, the are the Down of the National Football League. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ever enter your head stew that the vikings got to the last 4?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2010, 07:51:40 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 25, 2010, 07:29:05 PM
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2010, 06:11:53 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 25, 2010, 06:02:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 25, 2010, 11:55:35 AM
Stew will be delighted!

I'm of a different opinion. Fair play to Favre to be able to fight like hell at his age. Big mistake at the end cost his team big time but seems like he took a lot of punishment and sucked it up and kept going for it.

Really hope New Orleans do it. Nothing against the Colts but it would be great for the Saints to do it.

I dont think Favre cost them the game - but I wont mind it being pointed out that Im a big Brett fan.

5 turnovers (where the vikings havnt had a 3 turnover game all season) and a penalty for the 12 man huddle?

They left this one behind.

Good aul Brett, he never fails to let his team down just when they need him the most, a regular season legend but a playoff bust, the one superbowl win was with the help of one of the most talented packer teams ever and coached by a legend.

Three teams have now lost their whole superbowl aspirations on the back of brett, the pack of course, the jets, (who couldnt stand the guy) and last and by all means least, the VIKINGS.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

How does that taste viking fans?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  ;DA classless organization gets exactly what it deserves when qb'd by a classless, interception throwing machine.

I love this result, fecking brilliant result, I couldnt be happier that they lost, the are the Down of the National Football League. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

ever enter your head stew that the vikings got to the last 4?

Big f**king deal, they pissed away the seaon, Favre threw two horrible interceptions, they had five fumbles altogether, they dominated the game statistically but good ole number four does what he does best and that is throws picks at exactly the wrong time.
I have a healthy hate for the vikings, I have held this view for quite some time, they are classless hoors and I was absolutely delighted that they got what they deserved to get.

Favre manipulated the pack, he manipulated the Jets, he even manipulated the vikings and in the process he actually had been playing well, they believed he would take them to the promised land, we knew better. Making the championship game is not the goal, superbowl or bust for Favre and true to form it was bust.

Brett, keep playing son, I know, I just know that the Packers will kick the crap out of the Vikings next year, Rodgers is the real deal and the Vikings will now have to play the favre waiting game, will he or wont he, he will play, he is a money hungry hick who loves himself, I hope he comes back, he will never win the big one, nor will he ever make the big play when they ahve to have it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
He already did win the big one stew.

In fairness, it would be easy for Favre to walk away and into a TV studio for some cushy number. The networks love him. I say fair play to him for continuing to play when the body is able. And there's probably 28 teams who'd have swapped with the Vikes yesterday.

I've no great feeling either way for the Vikings, and I like the Packers, but I think Favre owes nothing to GB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2010, 09:08:53 PM
By the way, delighted for the Saints. I know it's easy to be trite and pay lip service to the community, but some of them lads, especially Brees and Bush, have done unreal work and donated a lot of money to projects in New Orleans. Remember Brees had a chance to go to a brilliant lifestyle in Miami, or New Orleans. Salary Cap rules meant he'd get more or less the same money in either place, but he chose New Orleans, even after Sean Payton showed him around the worst hit areas of the Bayou and New Orleans. He is a nice guy, in a league with quite a few tossers, but an awful lot of good guys too. (Kurt Warner is another).

On another note, it must be a few years since the #1 seeds both made the Superbowl. I can't remember off the top of my head.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2010, 09:12:34 PM
1993 was the last time AZ, Cowboys and Bills I think.

Edit - 1994.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
stew- thats just mental...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 10:49:28 AM
Only got into the american football the past 3 or 4 years so can any one tell me how Drew Brees ended up in New Orleans he was with the Chargers wasn't he ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 26, 2010, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 10:49:28 AM
Only got into the american football the past 3 or 4 years so can any one tell me how Drew Brees ended up in New Orleans he was with the Chargers wasn't he ?
He was,Chargers drafted Eli number 1 who refused to play there,then traded him to Giants for Rivers who was drafted number 4,who was annointed their QB of the future,Chargers also got other draft picks in that draft and future,i believe(dont hold me to this,they got Merriman and Kaeding out of it aswell as draft picks)
This Proceeded to light a fire under Drew Brees arse,who then played lights out,for 2 seasons while Rivers sat and learned
Brees eventually left for New Orleans with Rivers taking over.
Its worked out well for both teams,Two top 5 QB's there.
That San Diego front office is fantastic at scouting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 12:01:27 PM
I remember when Brees was coming out of college at Purdue (I think) the knock on him was he hadn't a strong arm.There has never seemed much wrong with it. A strong arm isn't everything, reference Jeff George for example.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 26, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
QuoteOn last nights showing if the Colts keep the turnovers to a minimum they should beat the Saints by 10 (at least).
The Saints did put up 28pts in normal time against a much better defense than what the colts have. The Colts corners were stung for a few big plays early and if the Saints can start well I think they have a huge change.
Bookies make it a 4pt win for Colts which is fair enough in my book based on form/experience.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 26, 2010, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 10:49:28 AM
Only got into the american football the past 3 or 4 years so can any one tell me how Drew Brees ended up in New Orleans he was with the Chargers wasn't he ?
He was,Chargers drafted Eli number 1 who refused to play there,then traded him to Giants for Rivers who was drafted number 4,who was annointed their QB of the future,Chargers also got other draft picks in that draft and future,i believe(dont hold me to this,they got Merriman and Kaeding out of it aswell as draft picks)
This Proceeded to light a fire under Drew Brees arse,who then played lights out,for 2 seasons while Rivers sat and learned
Brees eventually left for New Orleans with Rivers taking over.
Its worked out well for both teams,Two top 5 QB's there.
That San Diego front office is fantastic at scouting.

thanks bh didn't realise that a draft pick could refuse to go to a team that picked him . Brees could not have been that old when the chargers decided to get rid of him . hope he goes on to win the superbowl this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 12:14:32 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 26, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
QuoteOn last nights showing if the Colts keep the turnovers to a minimum they should beat the Saints by 10 (at least).
The Saints did put up 28pts in normal time against a much better defense than what the colts have. The Colts corners were stung for a few big plays early and if the Saints can start well I think they have a huge change.
Bookies make it a 4pt win for Colts which is fair enough in my book based on form/experience.

They certainly have a good chance Rossie I just have a feeling that Manning will have more joy against the Saints D than Brees will against Indy. I also wouldn't underestimate that Indy are playing in a stadium they won the superbowl in a few years ago and will be familiar with all that goes with Super Bowl week. Even though these guys are all seasoned pros some players dont handle it well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 26, 2010, 12:16:33 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 26, 2010, 11:55:06 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 10:49:28 AM
Only got into the american football the past 3 or 4 years so can any one tell me how Drew Brees ended up in New Orleans he was with the Chargers wasn't he ?
He was,Chargers drafted Eli number 1 who refused to play there,then traded him to Giants for Rivers who was drafted number 4,who was annointed their QB of the future,Chargers also got other draft picks in that draft and future,i believe(dont hold me to this,they got Merriman and Kaeding out of it aswell as draft picks)
This Proceeded to light a fire under Drew Brees arse,who then played lights out,for 2 seasons while Rivers sat and learned
Brees eventually left for New Orleans with Rivers taking over.
Its worked out well for both teams,Two top 5 QB's there.
That San Diego front office is fantastic at scouting.

thanks bh didn't realise that a draft pick could refuse to go to a team that picked him . Brees could not have been that old when the chargers decided to get rid of him . hope he goes on to win the superbowl this year

Brees was picked in 2nd round out of Purdue 2 years beforehand i believe,hard to believe that San Diego with how talented they are now,were the worst team in the NFL back then with their 4-12 record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 26, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
Brees never played as well for San Diego as he has for New Olreans from what I've seen. I dont know if the numbers back me up but he definately wasn't having the kind of form he has now. Its like something has just clicked with him since he's moved to New Orleans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 26, 2010, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 26, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
Brees never played as well for San Diego as he has for New Olreans from what I've seen. I dont know if the numbers back me up but he definately wasn't having the kind of form he has now. Its like something has just clicked with him since he's moved to New Orleans.
agree with you there juice
he was
2004 3,159 27TD's 7 Ints
2005 3,576 24 TD's 15 Ints

fairly good,but nowhere near the level he is at now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 01:42:08 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 26, 2010, 01:37:01 PM
Brees never played as well for San Diego as he has for New Olreans from what I've seen. I dont know if the numbers back me up but he definately wasn't having the kind of form he has now. Its like something has just clicked with him since he's moved to New Orleans.

In his last two seasons in San Diego he had 51 tds and 22 interceptions but the three seasons before that weren't great. In his defence San Diego were poor a few years back and hadn't a receiver worth talking about.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
how do ye rate pieterson (spl) lads l
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 26, 2010, 02:51:38 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 26, 2010, 12:02:22 PM
The Saints did put up 28pts in normal time against a much better defense than what the colts have. The Colts corners were stung for a few big plays early and if the Saints can start well I think they have a huge change.

I certainly don't rate the vikings D higher than the Colts, colts were caught on "trick plays" and the fact that Sanchez has such a fast pump fake, otherwise those two big plays were fractions away from being batted down. I wouldn't actually blame the corners...

That being said, the Saints have the highest scoring side in the league, and you don't do that by luck. I think this will be a good enough game this year, but still have the colts at a canter in the end. That spread will open out a bit, and the over under will increase I reckon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 26, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
how do ye rate pieterson (spl) lads l

Adrian Peterson you mean? I think he's a great back, but he is prone to a bit of fumiblitis. He is an every down back though, and can break big runs as well as the 5 yards on 1st and 10 that make a huge difference.

He had a bad run in this season though, but I think that's because the offense turned Pass first, as Favre started firing everything at Rice, Scionko(sp?), Harvin and Berrian.

If Favre retires, expect Peterson to be the number 1 back in the NFL next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on January 26, 2010, 03:34:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
how do ye rate pieterson (spl) lads l

Adrian Peterson you mean? I think he's a great back, but he is prone to a bit of fumiblitis. He is an every down back though, and can break big runs as well as the 5 yards on 1st and 10 that make a huge difference.

He had a bad run in this season though, but I think that's because the offense turned Pass first, as Favre started firing everything at Rice, Scionko(sp?), Harvin and Berrian.

If Favre retires, expect Peterson to be the number 1 back in the NFL next year.

outrageous recovery on that rip.. beat the four new orleans players to the ball after he lost it
best back in the league for me and theres loads more to come..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 03:35:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 26, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 26, 2010, 02:24:18 PM
how do ye rate pieterson (spl) lads l

Adrian Peterson you mean? I think he's a great back, but he is prone to a bit of fumiblitis. He is an every down back though, and can break big runs as well as the 5 yards on 1st and 10 that make a huge difference.

He had a bad run in this season though, but I think that's because the offense turned Pass first, as Favre started firing everything at Rice, Scionko(sp?), Harvin and Berrian.

If Favre retires, expect Peterson to be the number 1 back in the NFL next year.

yeah Az peterson must practice my spelling  ;)   i was just wondering how many other backs would have still been given the carries despite 3 fumbles  i know he recovered 1 of them and scored 3 tds 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 26, 2010, 04:46:08 PM
put your house on the colts +3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on January 26, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 26, 2010, 04:46:08 PM
put your house on the colts +3

Colts are the favourites iceman
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 26, 2010, 07:16:54 PM
Quote from: full back on January 26, 2010, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 26, 2010, 04:46:08 PM
put your house on the colts +3

Colts are the favourites iceman

the colts are going to win this superbowl end of story, put any spare bobs on it and take the spread. manning has too many ways to win. .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 26, 2010, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 25, 2010, 06:30:45 PM
Stew, you are so full of unbridled bias and hate on this issue that everything that comes from your Gob about Favre is sheer nonsense!

Its beyond a joke, but enjoy your day in the sun (on the back of a vikings loss, not a packers success btw).

Eh puck i am not a packer fan, i am a Patriots fan and have been since I lived there in 88.

I used to like Favre but have grown to loathe the man for the manipulating, scheming whinging bitch that he is.

I did however feel that he took an awful beating the other night, too much of a beating, how he manages to get tattooed and get up and play on defies explanation.

He wanted to stick it to the Pack, he beat them twice with a team fit to win the superbowl, he failed to lead them there and he had a remarkable regular season and yet another very disappointing playoff season. The stats dont lie, he is sometimes great and more often, in playoff games a bad decision making machine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 26, 2010, 07:35:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
He already did win the big one stew.

In fairness, it would be easy for Favre to walk away and into a TV studio for some cushy number. The networks love him. I say fair play to him for continuing to play when the body is able. And there's probably 28 teams who'd have swapped with the Vikes yesterday.

I've no great feeling either way for the Vikings, and I like the Packers, but I think Favre owes nothing to GB.

I was talking future tense not way back in the past tense.

I will say this for him, he is one of the toughest men I have ever seen play sports if not the toughest.

I dont think he owes the Packers anything now, but he owed them more than saying he ws retiring, have them charter a plane to meet with him, then call back hours before the two main men were to come down there to convince him to come back, wait until they name Rodgers as the starter and then show up at the tail end of training camp pretending that you want to play for the Packers however you dont think it fair you should compete for your job. He never wanted to come back to Green Bay, all he wanted to do was play for the Vikings, he lost a hell of a lot of support from Pack fans AND Packer players as a result of him acting the prima donna.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 26, 2010, 07:59:16 PM
whatzup stew? you gone soft on farve all of a sudden? i seriously dont know how he took the beating he took the other night. . one hard nut
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 26, 2010, 08:05:57 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on January 26, 2010, 07:59:16 PM
whatzup stew? you gone soft on farve all of a sudden? i seriously dont know how he took the beating he took the other night. . one hard nut


No I have not gone soft but how can you not admire what he did the other night, he got the absolute shit kicked out of him and he kept coming back for more.

I hate manipulating people, he is a manipulator but as soon as it becomes apparent that he is telling the truth for once and is actually retired I am sure I will start to mellow on him. Players that have their own private locker tend to annoy me.

He is a bit like Keane, a bit of a dirtboard in real life but you have to admire them when they do good things, a bit like what Keane is doing at Ipswich right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 26, 2010, 08:32:39 PM
sorry lads meant Colts -3
Think thats the spread at the minute
definitely worth a bet

can't see the Saints defense stopping Manning and can't see them turning the ball over like they have all year - Manning is too smart, adapts too quickly and is too fast.  Even if they get to him early on he will change the approach and pick holes in their defense like he did with the Jets.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RogerMilla on January 27, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
you'd have said the same thing about the pats giants game , that brady would have found a way through , the saints are going to win this bowl , probably quite similarly to the way manning won his i.e giving up a stupid early score! its all a bonus for the saints , manning will feel the pressure, he wants to catch brady on the ring count.. he already let his coach throw away a perfect season.. idiocy...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 27, 2010, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: RogerMilla on January 27, 2010, 08:36:06 AM
you'd have said the same thing about the pats giants game , that brady would have found a way through , the saints are going to win this bowl , probably quite similarly to the way manning won his i.e giving up a stupid early score! its all a bonus for the saints , manning will feel the pressure, he wants to catch brady on the ring count.. he already let his coach throw away a perfect season.. idiocy...


Eh he did not, he is the player, the coach is the man who decides who plays and who does not, at least in Indy anyhow.

The eejits in Minneasota could not control Burts ego, Favre was told to sit and refused and the coach let him away with it, he also ran plays contrary to the coaches wishes, Manning changes plays all the time but he is smart enough to know what coverage is out there and they let him do what he wants due to his intelligence and track record.
Manning was asked straight after their first loss if he was upset about being pulled and losing, he straight away told the reporter that he was only a player and that was the coaches call.

Favre on the other hand held a press conference and threw his coach and longtime friend under the bus, the vikings it is reported, had a divided locker room as some threw in their lot and sided with Favre as he did in fact win them the game that they should have lost. The coach was pissed and it all got hushed up but all is not well over there in viking country.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
Kurt Warner to announce retirement tomorrow. Im sure he wont have to go back to stacking supermarket shelves in Iowa.

Legend.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 27, 2010, 10:20:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
Kurt Warner to announce retirement tomorrow. Im sure he wont have to go back to stacking supermarket shelves in Iowa.

Legend.

Not good for the Cardinals. Whenever Leinart has gotten a chance to show what he can do he hasn't really impressed. Wonder will they go for a QB in the draft now?

Larry Fitz's value in the fantasy will take a bit of a hit next season now anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 27, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
Kurt Warner to announce retirement tomorrow. Im sure he wont have to go back to stacking supermarket shelves in Iowa.

Legend.

Well said Minder, he was an amazing qb to watch and he will be missed, the leader of the greatest show on turf, threw td's for fun and was the consummate professional.

The packers had him and cut him, they had to they thought, they had Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner and one other stud whose name escapes me. best stable ever imho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
Kurt Warner to announce retirement tomorrow. Im sure he wont have to go back to stacking supermarket shelves in Iowa.

Legend.

Well said Minder, he was an amazing qb to watch and he will be missed, the leader of the greatest show on turf, threw td's for fun and was the consummate professional.

The packers had him and cut him, they had to they thought, they had Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner and one other stud whose name escapes me. best stable ever imho.
Mark Brunell, who is backing up Brees in New Orleans now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2010, 10:24:46 PM
pity he had to finish with a big loss at NO. what a game he played against green bay. Good thing for us 49er fans ;D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:26:02 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 27, 2010, 10:24:46 PM
pity he had to finish with a big loss at NO. what a game he played against green bay. Good thing for us 49er fans ;D.

49ers would be slight favourites for the NFC West now i would say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 27, 2010, 11:28:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
Kurt Warner to announce retirement tomorrow. Im sure he wont have to go back to stacking supermarket shelves in Iowa.

Legend.

Well said Minder, he was an amazing qb to watch and he will be missed, the leader of the greatest show on turf, threw td's for fun and was the consummate professional.

The packers had him and cut him, they had to they thought, they had Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner and one other stud whose name escapes me. best stable ever imho.
Mark Brunell, who is backing up Brees in New Orleans now.

Brunell, he was a tremendous player for five or six years as well. Can you imagine a better four qb's on the same team?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on January 27, 2010, 11:43:24 PM
Quote from: stew on January 27, 2010, 10:21:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2010, 10:17:24 PM
Kurt Warner to announce retirement tomorrow. Im sure he wont have to go back to stacking supermarket shelves in Iowa.

Legend.

Well said Minder, he was an amazing qb to watch and he will be missed, the leader of the greatest show on turf, threw td's for fun and was the consummate professional.

The packers had him and cut him, they had to they thought, they had Favre, Hasselbeck, Warner and one other stud whose name escapes me. best stable ever imho.

I didn't know that - that's savage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2010, 10:17:56 AM
I'm gutted if he retires, but as I said before I'm just delighted he played in Arzona and changed the culture there. Instead of being perennial 4-12 to 7-9 sort of team, he changed that to being Divisional Champs two times in a row, and playoff wins in both years.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 28, 2010, 02:20:13 PM
Lads I'm after purchasing Club Wembley tickets for the match in October.  From other experiences does anyone know how long before the event do you receive the tickets?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 28, 2010, 03:42:37 PM
I was at the Giants v Dolphins game in 07,my tickets arrived about 4 weeks before the game.
Won't be rushing back to a Wembley game though,doesn't come anywhere near the atmosphere and gameday experience in the States.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 28, 2010, 03:50:37 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 28, 2010, 03:42:37 PM
I was at the Giants v Dolphins game in 07,my tickets arrived about 4 weeks before the game.
Won't be rushing back to a Wembley game though,doesn't come anywhere near the atmosphere and gameday experience in the States.

Thanks

I do plan on going to Denver to a game sometime but for the moment thats out as I have plans to go elsewhere first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 28, 2010, 03:58:57 PM
don't get me wrong,i would probably go again if my own team was playing.
Have you been to a NFL game before?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 28, 2010, 06:06:17 PM
Nope if all goes to plan this will be my first time.  So I wont have a game in the US to compare it to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 28, 2010, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on January 28, 2010, 06:06:17 PM
Nope if all goes to plan this will be my first time.  So I wont have a game in the US to compare it to.

You will have a great time I am sure.

I have been to roughly fifty or so NFL games and it is my intention never to go to another one, I enjoy watching the games in the basement or in a bar rather than being at the actual game.

In Green bay, parking is a nightmare, the weather is usually in negative digits and you sit and freeze your hole off watching five seconds of action every forty seconds, then there is the 3 time outs per team each half, review time outs, two two minute warning and of course tv time outs.

The atmosphere at lambeau and foxboro is great and the only place that compares to lambeau atmosphere wise is kansas City, at least that i have been to.

The first few times were great, the corporate boxes are great, free wine and food but overall I would much rather watch University Of Green Bay college basketball team, now thats a far better American sport to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 28, 2010, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on January 28, 2010, 06:06:17 PM
Nope if all goes to plan this will be my first time.  So I wont have a game in the US to compare it to.

You'll enjoy it. I was at the first two and missed last year's. I'll be back in October this year, please God, but I won't be in the 'club' tickets section :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on January 29, 2010, 12:02:10 PM
Was a a few Eagles games when I was over and the atmosphere was amazing! the philly fans are a law onto themselves-well some of them anyway! If they had of been playing the 9ers I would have went for sure, just couldn't be bothered going to a game to watch two teams I'm not interested in-as Stew said much better watching in a bar or at home!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on January 29, 2010, 01:01:34 PM
Also guys whats this spread betting? I get the handicap betting but not the spread? Whats the +55 all about?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 29, 2010, 01:05:34 PM
It may be the over under you're talking about? Over under 55 is total points scored, and you bet whether it'll be more, or less than that. The odds stay the same no matter what the game, normally, but the over/under depends on the matchup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on January 29, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
Nah I know the over/under carry on, I'll post the bet direct from the website:



NFL
Date Price Match Price       
7 Feb 10  -  23:25 10/11  New Orleans Saints v Indianapolis Colts (-5.5)  10/11      + 55 

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NFL Pro Bowl
Date Price Match Price       
1 Feb 10  -  00:30 10/11  AFC v NFC (-2.0)  10/11      + 2 

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 29, 2010, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: mikasas on January 29, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
Nah I know the over/under carry on, I'll post the bet direct from the website:



NFL
Date Price Match Price       
7 Feb 10  -  23:25 10/11  New Orleans Saints v Indianapolis Colts (-5.5)  10/11      + 55 

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NFL Pro Bowl
Date Price Match Price       
1 Feb 10  -  00:30 10/11  AFC v NFC (-2.0)  10/11      + 2 

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I have three hundred on the under, that number surprised the life out of me, I dont think 45 points will be scored. This is the most I have ever bet on any game in my life but I am confident that I will win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 29, 2010, 05:08:29 PM
Quote from: mikasas on January 29, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
Nah I know the over/under carry on, I'll post the bet direct from the website:



NFL
Date Price Match Price       
7 Feb 10  -  23:25 10/11  New Orleans Saints v Indianapolis Colts (-5.5)  10/11      + 55 

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NFL Pro Bowl
Date Price Match Price       
1 Feb 10  -  00:30 10/11  AFC v NFC (-2.0)  10/11      + 2 

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What website is it? I'll take a look. It doesn't look like the over under unless they are expecting a very titanic defensive struggle in the pro-bowl !!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 29, 2010, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 28, 2010, 10:17:56 AM
I'm gutted if he retires, but as I said before I'm just delighted he played in Arzona and changed the culture there. Instead of being perennial 4-12 to 7-9 sort of team, he changed that to being Divisional Champs two times in a row, and playoff wins in both years.


Don't worry AZ, you guys have Matt Leinart. And by that, what I really mean to ask is what's your running game like?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on February 01, 2010, 12:30:14 PM
What did ye make of the Pro Bowl?? I thought it was decent enough, not as many trick plays as usual though. The screen pass TD by DeSean Jackson was the highlight i thought.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 01, 2010, 12:38:43 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on February 01, 2010, 12:30:14 PM
What did ye make of the Pro Bowl?? I thought it was decent enough, not as many trick plays as usual though. The screen pass TD by DeSean Jackson was the highlight i thought.

I think it's shite. Would never even watch it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on February 01, 2010, 02:08:10 PM
Direct from Willhill. I'll post the link.

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/EN/betting/y/1/cp/240/American-Football.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Looks like Sky Sports are rerunning 'America's Game' in total this week. The stories of each superbowl team. 1970 Colts on, and the 1971 Cowboys. Dolphins from 72 on later.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 01, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 08:04:52 PM
Looks like Sky Sports are rerunning 'America's Game' in total this week. The stories of each superbowl team. 1970 Colts on, and the 1971 Cowboys. Dolphins from 72 on later.

They are, for the 45th time. Still enjoyable. The only two I haven't seen are the Giants in '07 and Steelers '08. Both are on at 11am and 12 noon this Saturday on Sky Sports 4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Just watching the Colt's 1970 one there. I didn't realise Hightower from Police Academy had a superbowl ring, but there you go :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 01, 2010, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Just watching the Colt's 1970 one there. I didn't realise Hightower from Police Academy had a superbowl ring, but there you go :D

were they the baltimore colts then Az is that the same team as the indi colts did they just move city ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 01, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 01, 2010, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Just watching the Colt's 1970 one there. I didn't realise Hightower from Police Academy had a superbowl ring, but there you go :D

were they the baltimore colts then Az is that the same team as the indi colts did they just move city ?

Aye they drafted John Elway but he refused to play for them. so they traded his rights to the Broncos.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 01, 2010, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 01, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 01, 2010, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Just watching the Colt's 1970 one there. I didn't realise Hightower from Police Academy had a superbowl ring, but there you go :D

were they the baltimore colts then Az is that the same team as the indi colts did they just move city ?

Aye they drafted John Elway but he refused to play for them. so they traded his rights to the Broncos.

i'm all confused now minder  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
Yeah, there's like a love Triangle between Baltimore, Indianapolis and Cleveland. As you know the teams are franchises, rather than clubs, per se. So when a team moves the City is really just a designation of location, it's the nickname that stays constant, most times. Hence the Chicago Cardinals became the St. Louis Cardinals, became the Arizona (via Phoenix) Cardinals. The Rams were Los Angeles before Saint Louis. The Raiders were Oakland, then LA, then Oakland again.

Usually they move as the owners prostitute their teams for a new stadium or the like.

The Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis at 2am one morning, in 1983, in the dead of night using a fleet of trucks. It was mental, they all drove different routes to confuse the cops. There was a big furore over that.

Baltimore was without a team until they did unto Cleveland what Indy had done unto them, and in 1995 Art Model upped and left Cleveland, in a very similar fashion, but he had to leave the name, colours and 'history' with a city that had no team to fill it. Thus the Browns became the Ravens.

In 1999 the Browns were reborn, but the 1996-99 period is just treated as 'could not field a team' rather than seeing the team as being reformed. For example all Browns records are deemed to go back to the time when the original Browns were there. As far as I know, they are the only franchise that does that. The Cardinals hall of fame includes people who played in Chicago and St. Louis. The Rams, Colts et al is the same. However the Ravens' history begins in 1996. It's interesting stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 01, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 01, 2010, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 01, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 01, 2010, 09:29:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Just watching the Colt's 1970 one there. I didn't realise Hightower from Police Academy had a superbowl ring, but there you go :D

were they the baltimore colts then Az is that the same team as the indi colts did they just move city ?

Aye they drafted John Elway but he refused to play for them. so they traded his rights to the Broncos.

i'm all confused now minder  :D

Elway was drafted out of Stanford by the Baltimore Colts in the early 80's but he refused to play for them, a la Eli Manning with the Chargers a few years ago. He said he would play baseball (he had played a bit of minor league) if they wouldnt release him so the Colts traded his rights to the Broncos, the rest is history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:51:22 PM
From Wiki..

Teams making more significant moves, in chronological order

    * Decatur Staleys: to Chicago in 1921 (renamed the Chicago Bears in 1922)
    * Toledo Maroons: to Kenosha, WI in 1924 [1]
    * Pottsville Maroons: to Boston as the Bulldogs in 1929
    * Dayton Triangles: to Brooklyn as the Dodgers in 1930 (renamed Brooklyn Tigers in 1944)
    * Portsmouth Spartans: to Detroit as the Lions in 1934
    * Boston Redskins: to Washington, D.C. in 1937
    * Cleveland Rams: to Los Angeles in 1946
    * Chicago Cardinals: to St. Louis in 1960
    * Los Angeles Chargers: to San Diego in 1961 while in the American Football League (AFL)
    * Dallas Texans: to Kansas City, MO as the Kansas City Chiefs in 1963 while in the AFL
    * Oakland Raiders: to Los Angeles in 1982
    * Baltimore Colts: to Indianapolis in 1984
    * St. Louis Cardinals: to Tempe, AZ as the Phoenix Cardinals in 1988 and became the Arizona Cardinals in 1994
    * Los Angeles Rams: to St. Louis in 1995
    * Los Angeles Raiders: back to Oakland in 1995
    * Houston Oilers: temporarily to Memphis, TN in 1997 as the Tennessee Oilers and permanently to Nashville in 1998 (renamed Tennessee Titans in 1999)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:52:40 PM
Another sidenote is of the 14 teams that started pro football in 1920, only the Bears (erstwhile Decateur Staleys) and the Cardinals are still going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 01, 2010, 09:58:46 PM
i might be wrong but i think in baseball the yankees were originally the baltimore orioles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 01, 2010, 10:10:55 PM
Interesting article about the shooting Marvin Harrison was involved in last year.

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201002/marvin-harrison?currentPage=1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on February 03, 2010, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 01, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
Yeah, there's like a love Triangle between Baltimore, Indianapolis and Cleveland. As you know the teams are franchises, rather than clubs, per se. So when a team moves the City is really just a designation of location, it's the nickname that stays constant, most times. Hence the Chicago Cardinals became the St. Louis Cardinals, became the Arizona (via Phoenix) Cardinals. The Rams were Los Angeles before Saint Louis. The Raiders were Oakland, then LA, then Oakland again.

Usually they move as the owners prostitute their teams for a new stadium or the like.

The Baltimore Colts moved to Indianapolis at 2am one morning, in 1983, in the dead of night using a fleet of trucks. It was mental, they all drove different routes to confuse the cops. There was a big furore over that.

Baltimore was without a team until they did unto Cleveland what Indy had done unto them, and in 1995 Art Model upped and left Cleveland, in a very similar fashion, but he had to leave the name, colours and 'history' with a city that had no team to fill it. Thus the Browns became the Ravens.

In 1999 the Browns were reborn, but the 1996-99 period is just treated as 'could not field a team' rather than seeing the team as being reformed. For example all Browns records are deemed to go back to the time when the original Browns were there. As far as I know, they are the only franchise that does that. The Cardinals hall of fame includes people who played in Chicago and St. Louis. The Rams, Colts et al is the same. However the Ravens' history begins in 1996. It's interesting stuff.

that's generally right. Also, the rams were originally in Cleveland up to the 40s.

The Colts had a strong tradition in Baltimore. While Robert Irsay who moved the Colts to Indianapolis was generally regarded as a buffoon, Art Modell had a long history with the Browns since when he took it over from Paul Brown (who went onto found the Bengals) and this made the move even harder to take. Great sports illustrated cover from the 90s of Art Modell busting the dog in the guts

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1995/1204_large.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 04, 2010, 09:35:03 AM
Saints Win Super Bowl, says Madden NFL
by Joe Dodson


Buzz up!



And the winner is...
Madden NFL popped into headlines today, predicting a sunny Super Bowl win for the New Orleans Saints, and eight months of winter for the Indianapolis Colts.

Every year, Electronic Arts runs a Super Bowl simulation within their video game, Madden NFL. And five out of the last six years, the game's results have predicted the Super Bowl winner correctly. The simulation's only miss was the Giants' Super Bowl XLII victory over the Patriots, and even Nostradamus couldn't have seen that one coming.

This year, Madden NFL predicts a close Saints victory, with a final score of 35 - 31 over the Colts. According to the game, Drew Brees will be named the MVP after passing for 299 yards and three touchdowns. Reggie Bush will account for two more touchdowns, one rushing, and one on a punt return.

On the other side of the football, Colts' QB Peyton Manning will throw for 322 yards and three touchdowns in a great-but-not-good-enough performance.

But before Saints fans start celebrating and Colts fans call for a new coach, it's important to note that the Madden simulation only takes into account the perceived skill levels of each player on the field. Intangibles such as nerves and inexperience are not reflected. And according to this G4 video of the simulation, neither is Dwight Freeney's questionable ankle, as the Colts' defensive superstar can clearly be seen running and jumping down the tunnel at the head of his team before the game.

But whether he plays in the real Super Bowl or not, Madden NFL sees the Colts limping home on Sunday, and all of New Orleans jumping for joy.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 05, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
Any predictions folks?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2010, 09:52:34 AM
Quote from: Declan on February 05, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
Any predictions folks?

Colts by 10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on February 05, 2010, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: Declan on February 05, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
Any predictions folks?
I actually can't call it. I've been changing my prediction every day nearly for the last week. Could be a real shoot out, even going down to the last play. One of my friends is a real obnoxious Colts supporter so i wouldn't mind the Saints winning i suppose :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shrek on February 05, 2010, 12:47:24 PM
Havent been paying musch attention to the Football as much as i used to but gonna but am in USA atm, so will be watching the Superbowl while im here.

From what ive see i really fancy the Saints for this one.

Saints by 3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on February 05, 2010, 03:53:39 PM
I'm going for the saints to win it with a late field goal!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
The key for this game for me is Dwight Freeney, the Colts defensive leader. Whether he plays or not or whether he is effective or not? If he was fit it would be the Colts all the way for me, but if he is not playing or not effective then Brees will have a lot more time in the pocket and I think he can out gun Manning in a quarterback battle. So in that scenario I would give the edge to the saints. However I don't know how fit he is or isn't so......

Colts 35
Saints 24

The Freeneyless scenario is

Saints 38
Colts 27.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 05, 2010, 06:21:37 PM
The key for this game for me is Dwight Freeney, the Colts defensive leader. Whether he plays or not or whether he is effective or not? If he was fit it would be the Colts all the way for me, but if he is not playing or not effective then Brees will have a lot more time in the pocket and I think he can out gun Manning in a quarterback battle. So in that scenario I would give the edge to the saints. However I don't know how fit he is or isn't so......

Colts 35
Saints 24

The Freeneyless scenario is

Saints 38
Colts 27.

The Saints will win this wether Freeny plays or now, if he plays I cannot see how he can be effective given the damage to that lower leg/ankle of his, he hasnt practiced since the AFC Championship game and if he does play it will be very sparingly.

The saints have more talent but the colts have the X factor, one Peyton Manning.

Saints to win by three.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
Where do you see the Saints having more talent than the Colts Stew?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 05, 2010, 07:39:57 PM
stew - another one for me and you to disagree. I do think Freeney playing even if injured will be a big difference. I still have the Colts by a few but wouldn't put more than $50 on it. Could go either way, should be a great game to watch, and thats the first time Ive said that about a superbowl in 10 years...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2010, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 05, 2010, 07:39:57 PM
stew - another one for me and you to disagree. I do think Freeney playing even if injured will be a big difference. I still have the Colts by a few but wouldn't put more than $50 on it. Could go either way, should be a great game to watch, and thats the first time Ive said that about a superbowl in 10 years...

Freeney playing will have an impact as he will probably be double teamed and Mathis is well capable of causing damage on the other side.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2010, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 05, 2010, 07:47:15 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 05, 2010, 07:39:57 PM
stew - another one for me and you to disagree. I do think Freeney playing even if injured will be a big difference. I still have the Colts by a few but wouldn't put more than $50 on it. Could go either way, should be a great game to watch, and thats the first time Ive said that about a superbowl in 10 years...

Freeney playing will have an impact as he will probably be double teamed and Mathis is well capable of causing damage on the other side.

hey might not have to double team him as the first thing the saints are going to do to him if he does play is hit him a few times below the knees.
I cannot see how he can possibly be a big factor given the severity of the injury unless they dope him up and send him out there and I hope they dont do that. This injury might mean they dont have to double team him, advantage Saints if that happens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2010, 07:58:06 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 05, 2010, 07:39:57 PM
stew - another one for me and you to disagree. I do think Freeney playing even if injured will be a big difference. I still have the Colts by a few but wouldn't put more than $50 on it. Could go either way, should be a great game to watch, and thats the first time Ive said that about a superbowl in 10 years...

Why break with tradition hegan, the next time we agree on anything will be the first time. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 05, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
i think we're still pretty strong on the Armagh thing though :-)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2010, 09:21:35 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 05, 2010, 08:29:19 PM
i think we're still pretty strong on the Armagh thing though :-)

Oh yes, I stand corrected.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on February 06, 2010, 02:37:03 PM
Saturday February 06 2010

Kerry footballing star Marc O Se yesterday married his long-time girlfriend Sarah Brosnan.

The wedding ceremony in Dingle had a guestlist that featured most of Kerry's reigning All-Ireland side.

Marc (29) was flanked by his three brothers Darragh, Fergal and Tomas as he arrived for the big day.

Despite leaden skies and occasional heavy showers, the wedding party took time to wave to well-wishers and pose for photographs outside St Mary's Church.

Sarah looked radiant in a winter white gown with short train and full veil.

The bride -- whose late father was prayed for by the Mass celebrants, Fr Tom Looney and Fr John Ahern -- was escorted up the aisle by her new nephew Michael O Se, after arriving a fashionable 20 minutes late.

Sarah is the only child in a family that operates the popular Dingle Bay Hotel.

Her bridesmaids wore full-length gowns of cerise pink, and entered the church through a corridor of candles placed out on the footpath.

Among the Kerry football stars in attendance were Kieran Donaghy, Eoin Brosnan, Dara O Cinneide and Diarmuid Murphy, Kerry's former goalkeeper.

The groom's uncle, Paidi O Se, was also in attendance, while the rest of the Kerry panel -- and a few footballing friends from Cork and Tyrone -- were expected to attend last night's gala wedding celebration in the Dingle Skellig Hotel.

Paidi said it was a proud day for both the O Se and Brosnan families as well as the tight-knit Dingle community.

"It's a great day -- but the rain might have held off for another hour or two," he said as he glanced up at gloomy skies.

"They make a lovely couple, and we're all delighted for Marc and Sarah and wish them all the happiness in the world," he added.

Dozens of Kerry fans gathered outside St Mary's Church on Green Street to catch a glimpse of the happy couple and wish them well.

For football-mad youngsters, it was also a priceless chance to get some autographs.

Marc is a teacher at Tralee CBS -- but boasts four All-Ireland titles and was named Footballer of the Year in 2007.

Together with his brothers, Darragh and Tomas, and his uncle, Paidi, the group boasts more All-Ireland medals than most Irish counties.

Marc was a key figure in Kerry's All-Ireland triumph last September when they defeated old rivals Cork.

However, Kerry will be severely depleted for their NFL opener against Dublin tomorrow.

Marc will be excused because of his wedding celebrations, while Kieran Donaghy, Colm Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan are off to Florida to attend the Super Bowl this weekend.

- Ralph Riegel


The lucky feckers off to see the superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 07, 2010, 12:00:40 PM
Would love to be in Miami today, even if I didn't get in just to tailgate or watch it in at a proper Superbowl party.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 07, 2010, 03:07:56 PM
yeah the party there will be something else. great day out in the states with superbowl parties all over the place...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: CountyGK on February 07, 2010, 04:32:50 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on February 06, 2010, 02:37:03 PM
Saturday February 06 2010

Marc will be excused because of his wedding celebrations, while Kieran Donaghy, Colm Cooper and Declan O'Sullivan are off to Florida to attend the Super Bowl this weekend.

- Ralph Riegel


The lucky feckers off to see the superbowl

Donaghy and O'Sullivan were both playing today v the dubs... will be some mission gettin to Miami in time!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2010, 04:40:16 PM
'twas Darren O'Sullivan and Gooch that are in Florida.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 07, 2010, 06:51:42 PM
Can't wait should be a great game..good luck to anyone with boxes   ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 07, 2010, 07:21:49 PM
superbowl fact -  more food bought and consumed today than other day of the year (inc thanksgiving and christmas)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on February 07, 2010, 07:43:23 PM
Fact 2
94million households tuned in to watch last years..
It reached 100m when the Victoria secrets ad was shown at half time!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 07, 2010, 10:51:47 PM
Just getting settled down for the game.  Fridge packed with beer and wine and a little food!
It has all the makings of a classic with two great quarterbacks, going to cheer on the Saints but i think the Colts will take it, only just!
34-31
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: goldenyears on February 07, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
Going for colts -13.5

Clark for first TD

And coin toss to be heads lol!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 08, 2010, 12:06:46 AM
Where the hell did you get Colts -13.5???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 15, 2010, 06:43:31 PM
some very interesting stats in this article by george kimball


Peyton's place secure in Big Easy pantheon

AMERICA AT LARGE: The biggest football audience of all time had its collective eyes glued to the screen when Peyton Manning made his unchallenged bid for the goat's horns, writes GEORGE KIMBALL

LAST THURSDAY night I was seated between George Foreman and Robert Rodriguez at the conclusion of a boxing symposium sponsored by the University of Kansas. Nearly 500 souls had braved an impending snowstorm to attend, and almost half, it seemed, were now queuing to have books signed and to engage.

Most, it became clear, hoped to engage in a bit of sporting chit-chat with the principals. We've become accustomed to that. In fact, I dare say there wasn't a man among them who could have come up with a question Foreman hadn't heard before, and I'd like to think that by now I've heard most of them myself.

I was taken aback, then, by the fellow who followed his request for an instant analysis of Super Bowl XLIV, which would be played three nights later, with a presumption cloaked as a question: "You'd have to agree that if Peyton Manning wins this one, he's the greatest quarterback of all time, right?"

Say what? "Did you say 'of all time'?" I asked as I retrieved the pen I'd dropped on the floor in surprise.

Well, I replied as diplomatically as I could, that covers a lot of ground. But even a win on Sunday night would still leave Manning one behind Tom Brady, and that's just counting the past decade. What about Joe Montana? For that matter, what about Terry Bradshaw, the dumbest quarterback ever to win four Super Bowls? And what about all those quarterbacks whose misfortune it was to play before there even were Super Bowls?

As it turned out, Brady, Montana and Bradshaw can all rest in peace for another year. Peyton Manning wasn't even the greatest quarterback on the field Sunday night. Matter of fact, Manning has now won exactly the same number of championship rings the Saints' Drew Brees has. Which is to say, one.

Not so long ago television network officials would have been so disheartened by the prospect of an Indianapolis-New Orleans Super Bowl that they'd have set to work rejigging the format for post-season play to make sure it didn't happen again.

Teams representing smaller media markets traditionally don't fare as well when it comes to capturing audiences, but between the Colts' campaign to displace the Patriots as the Team of the Decade and the human interest angle provided by New Orleans' resilience less than five years after Hurricane Katrina, this one figured to be more compelling than most.

Not only was XLIV the most-watched Super Bowl, but last Sunday's game accomplished something none of its predecessors had achieved: the US television audience of 106.5 million topped that of 1983's final episode of M*A*S*H to become the most-watched programme in US history.

Thus it was that the biggest football audience of all time had its collective eyes glued to the screen when Manning made his unchallenged bid for the goat's horns when, with three minutes left and the Colts driving and in position to tie the game, he unleashed a pass that sailed straight into the arms of New Orleans safety Tracy Porter, who returned the interception 74 yards to put the game away.

It was an uncharacteristic, unforced error on Manning's part, a gaffe of such nuclear proportions that old-timers were set to scratching their heads, in vain, to dredge up a similarly critical Super Bowl miscue.

Manning, for his part, accepted the blame, but he didn't exactly cover himself with glory with his stony silence when it was suggested that his intended receiver, Reggie Wayne, might have opened the door for Porter's theft by running the wrong route.

The replay suggests Porter put himself in position for the interception by locking in on Manning's eyes, instantly analysing what was about to take place in the same way Manning usually parses defences. Whether Wayne was in the wrong place is somewhat immaterial, because Porter was clearly in the right one.

The other game-changing moment, of course, came on the second-half kick-off, when New Orleans coach Sean Payton, in a decision that has inevitably been described as "gutsy" "risky" or "daring" (and sometimes all three), ordered an onside kick that was recovered by the Saints.

I was watching in the company of a young friend from Dublin who, though conversant with the American game, was seeing his first Super Bowl, and his startled reaction to the squibbed kick was to ask whether kicker Thomas Morstead might have mis-hit the ball.

No, I explained, it was intentional. Unlike, say, a punt, a kick-off need travel only 10 yards when it becomes a live ball, recoverable by either team. Given the high potential for failure, the onside kick is usually a desperation measure enacted in the waning moments of a game in which the kicking team literally has no alternative.

But the truth is that, while Payton gets high marks for ingenuity, the onside kick was, statistically speaking, not nearly as risky as might have been supposed at the time.

Stats Inc, whose business it is to keep track of these things, came up with an interesting analysis. Since the 2000 season, more than 500 onside kicks have been attempted by NFL teams. Nearly half took place in the fourth quarter and were of the desperation variety, when both teams can probably anticipate it, and accordingly have their "good-hands" personnel on the field. Of those, the kicking team was able to recover the ball only 61 times in 416 attempts, or less than 15 per cent.

On the other hand, when the tactic has been used in the first three-quarters the element of surprise has led to the kicking team winding up with the football more often than not. With 65 recoveries in 111 attempts, the success ratio approaches 60 per cent, though Payton did go against the grain in one respect. Having made his decision even before his team reached the locker-room, the Saints' coach immediately informed Morstead, who thus spent the next 20 minutes reflecting on his task rather than enjoying the half-time concert by The Who.

Ironically, though the Colts were caught by surprise, it wasn't some bulky oaf of a defensive lineman but their normally sure-handed tightend Hank Baskett who made contact with the football. Aware it was a live ball, Baskett then treated it like a live grenade, and it bounced away into the bottom of one of those massive pig-piles of humanity. When the bodies were at last unstacked, it was New Orleans' football, and Payton was a genius.

If things go the way they usually do in the copycat NFL, come September, when the 2010 season gets under way, about half the games you see will open with an onside kick.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on February 15, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
I don't think the number of superbowl rings is an accurate judgement on who the greatest QB is/was.
Terry Bradshaw has 4 while Dan Marino has none,yet in my opinion Marino is one of the greatest players to play the game at any position,while Bradshaw would be well down the list.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 15, 2010, 08:28:36 PM
I don't know why people even give the argument such credence. Mark Rypien and Manning both have one ring, was Rypien a better QB? Of course not. Of course it is an important position but a team can get by with an average one (Trent Dilfer) if other aspects of the team are strong, running game, defense etc. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 15, 2010, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 15, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
I don't think the number of superbowl rings is an accurate judgement on who the greatest QB is/was.
Terry Bradshaw has 4 while Dan Marino has none,yet in my opinion Marino is one of the greatest players to play the game at any position,while Bradshaw would be well down the list.

In fairness Bradshaw would tell you that he was just blessed to hand the ball off to some unbelievable talent, add to that the fact that he had the best defense in history and that sums up why he has so many rings.

Marino was a stat hound, great stats throwing the ball around the place but could never get it done when it mattered most, the fins didnt help him as they couldnt defend a high school team but the great ones find a way, he never did and for me he is about sixth on the all time qb list.

Montana.
Manning.
Brady.
Starr.
Bradshaw.
Elway.

Then Marino.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 15, 2010, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: stew on February 15, 2010, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 15, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
I don't think the number of superbowl rings is an accurate judgement on who the greatest QB is/was.
Terry Bradshaw has 4 while Dan Marino has none,yet in my opinion Marino is one of the greatest players to play the game at any position,while Bradshaw would be well down the list.

In fairness Bradshaw would tell you that he was just blessed to hand the ball off to some unbelievable talent, add to that the fact that he had the best defense in history and that sums up why he has so many rings.

Marino was a stat hound, great stats throwing the ball around the place but could never get it done when it mattered most, the fins didnt help him as they couldnt defend a high school team but the great ones find a way, he never did and for me he is about sixth on the all time qb list.

Montana.
Manning.
Brady.
Starr.
Bradshaw.
Elway.

Then Marino.

Marino also never had a running game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 15, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 15, 2010, 09:18:55 PM
Quote from: stew on February 15, 2010, 09:12:32 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 15, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
I don't think the number of superbowl rings is an accurate judgement on who the greatest QB is/was.
Terry Bradshaw has 4 while Dan Marino has none,yet in my opinion Marino is one of the greatest players to play the game at any position,while Bradshaw would be well down the list.

In fairness Bradshaw would tell you that he was just blessed to hand the ball off to some unbelievable talent, add to that the fact that he had the best defense in history and that sums up why he has so many rings.

Marino was a stat hound, great stats throwing the ball around the place but could never get it done when it mattered most, the fins didnt help him as they couldnt defend a high school team but the great ones find a way, he never did and for me he is about sixth on the all time qb list.

Montana.
Manning.
Brady.
Starr.
Bradshaw.
Elway.

Then Marino.

Marino also never had a running game.

True, they were very poor in that regard als, his stats however would not look so good if he had a good running back, his throwing stats would suffer, that said they would probably have won a superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 15, 2010, 09:26:39 PM
But that is the thing Stew, he had to throw the ball so much because he didnt have a running game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 15, 2010, 09:35:08 PM
I think the reason why people place much more emphasis on the rings for QBs is that the QB is seen to be the leader of the team, the on field general. He gets the plaudits for the wins, and a lot of stick if they lose. I can see the rationale somewhat, but there's obviously more to it than just winning Superbowls.

Having said that, I suppose one of the true marks of greatness is the ability to perform in the big game, and the acknowledged greats have generally speaking good games in the big one. Terry Bradshaw, for example, has 2 Superbowl MVP games. He threw for four TDs in Superbowl XIII and 2 more in XIV, as well as 1 in IX and another 2 in X. They weren't quite as one dimensional as all that, otherwise Lynn Swann wouldn't be a HOFer either. John Stallworth, another Steelers HOFer is a WR as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 15, 2010, 09:45:01 PM
I started watching the NFL in 1985, so the likes of Staubach, Starr, Bradshaw and co were before my time, as well as the lad a lot of old timers reckon was king, Johnny Unitas.

In my era, the top QBs in my opinion are

1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Elway
4. Manning
5. Marino

(6. Warner, 7. Favre, 8. Aikman, 9. Young, 10. McNabb (early days))
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 15, 2010, 09:48:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 15, 2010, 09:45:01 PM
I started watching the NFL in 1985, so the likes of Staubach, Starr, Bradshaw and co were before my time, as well as the lad a lot of old timers reckon was king, Johnny Unitas.

In my era, the top QBs in my opinion are

1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Elway
4. Manning
5. Marino

(6. Warner, 7. Favre, 8. Aikman, 9. Young, 10. McNabb (early days))

Would probably put Steve Young in there instead of McNabb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 16, 2010, 03:32:33 PM
Steve Young is my number 9. I didn't mean Vince :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on February 16, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
Stew,you have Manning ahead of Brady,yet you don't seem so keen as Marino as he couldn't get it done when it mattered most.Surely then,on that basis,Brady is a better QB than Manning.
Manning is 9-9 in playoff football,Brady i think is 14-4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 16, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on February 16, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
Stew,you have Manning ahead of Brady,yet you don't seem so keen as Marino as he couldn't get it done when it mattered most.Surely then,on that basis,Brady is a better QB than Manning.
Manning is 9-9 in playoff football,Brady i think is 14-4.


Good points all, the reason why I have Manning ahead of Brady is that Brady has played on amazing teams wheras Manning did the majority, the vast majority of the offensive work for the Colts this season, to me they are no more than an average NFL team without him.

Manning came into the league and the team were brutal  in his first two seasons, they have built success around him, in cotrast the Pats were on the rise and Brady got in just because of an injuty to the starting qb.

Last and by no means least, I asked myself that if I had to choose the man I trusted most to make a game winning play other than Montana who would it be, it boiled down to Manning or Brady with Manning getting the nod, and I am a die hard Pats fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on February 16, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 16, 2010, 03:32:33 PM
Steve Young is my number 9. I didn't mean Vince :D

i never rated young (maybe i wasnt fair on him because he took over from montana), if he said 'i learnt from those 4 interceptions' once he said it a thousand times. never learnt a thing imo, nice guy tho. .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 16, 2010, 07:27:08 PM
Ah I thought Young was a very good QB. He had a tendency for inopportune interceptions, but I can't remember too many 4 INT games. He has the highest Career Quarterback rating (96.8) and also has the most rushing TDs by a QB with 43. His TD to INT ratio is 232 to 107.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shrek on February 17, 2010, 10:59:15 AM
Bit late on posting but really enjoyed the Superbowl this year.

It did help i had a few pound on the Saints, although i did feel for the guy sat next to me who had 2 million  :o on the Colts, needless to say he didnt finish his dinner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 18, 2010, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: Shrek on February 17, 2010, 10:59:15 AM
Bit late on posting but really enjoyed the Superbowl this year.

It did help i had a few pound on the Saints, although i did feel for the guy sat next to me who had 2 million  :o on the Colts, needless to say he didnt finish his dinner.

I presume you werent eating at taco bell with that kind of clientele?


Really, 2 million dollars/euros/pounds?

Id find that hard to believe, in such a tight game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 19, 2010, 05:15:23 AM
Yea was thinking the same puck!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Shrek on February 19, 2010, 08:41:28 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 18, 2010, 10:52:42 PM
Quote from: Shrek on February 17, 2010, 10:59:15 AM
Bit late on posting but really enjoyed the Superbowl this year.

It did help i had a few pound on the Saints, although i did feel for the guy sat next to me who had 2 million  :o on the Colts, needless to say he didnt finish his dinner.

I presume you werent eating at taco bell with that kind of clientele?


Really, 2 million dollars/euros/pounds?

Id find that hard to believe, in such a tight game.

Yep, really, 2 million Dollars, to win 1 million Dollars - greedy SOB deserved to lose.

he was nearly crying the more the game went on, asked for "a to go bag" after the interception. Had barely even touched his steak before that.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on February 19, 2010, 10:09:43 PM
Were u watch it? no he had the colts to win without the spread?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 20, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Combine coming up, whose looking good. Saw a video of Ndamukong Suh from Nebraska. Looks like an instant starter, ridiculous size combined with great speed. haven't seen any mock drafts yet though. i'd imagine he's number 1 on a few.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 20, 2010, 12:38:14 PM
I would think Suh will go #1 to St Louis. You can't really pass up on a player like that. Will also help Chris Long having such a presence inside.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 20, 2010, 01:38:19 PM
Quote from: thejuice on February 20, 2010, 11:49:10 AM
Combine coming up, whose looking good. Saw a video of Ndamukong Suh from Nebraska. Looks like an instant starter, ridiculous size combined with great speed. haven't seen any mock drafts yet though. i'd imagine he's number 1 on a few.

Here's one mock draft.

Quote1. St. Louis Rams: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska

      The Rams' plethora of needs mean they don't have to reach for a quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick. Nebraska DT Ndamukong Suh has the run-stopping ability the Rams need and the versatility to work at defensive end in the 3-4 defense.

      Options: The Rams could select Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford or Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen, beginning the long rebuilding process on the offensive side of the ball. The team could opt for Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy, who has more explosiveness than Suh.

   2. Detroit Lions: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma

      The Lions need a run stuffing defensive tackle that can collapse the pocket and pressure the quarterback. Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy has the explosiveness to knife into the backfield and the power to hold his ground against the run.

      Options: The Lions need a new left tackle to protect last year's No. 1 overall draft pick, QB Matthew Stafford. Oklahoma State OT Russell Okung could fill that need. Meanwhile, Detroit's secondary was abysmal once again last season. While the team drafted FS Louis Delmas in the second round last year, more is needed. Tennessee SS Eric Berry would bolster a weak spot at strong safety. The team's pass rush was inconsistent last season. Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan could turn the Lions' pass rush into a viable threat.

   3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Eric Berry, SS/FS, Tennessee

      The Buccaneers need a centerfielder who can cover, hit, and direct traffic. Tennessee SS/FS/CB Eric Berry has the all-around skills and top flight aggressiveness to make the Bucs secondary tough to throw on once again.

      Options: The Buccaneers hope one of the two top defensive tackles fall to them. Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan would be a bit of a reach, but will fill a big need for a pass rusher.

   4. Washington Redskins: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma

      The Redskins' pursuit of QB Jay Cutler and strong interest in QB Mark Sanchez last year are clears sign that they want to move on from QB Jason Campbell. Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford, who could have been the No. 1 overall draft pick last year, has the accuracy and intangibles to be the cornerstone of an NFL franchise. But Bradford comes with numerous red flags including two right shoulder injuries during the 2009 season, subsequent surgery, lack of arm strength, and college system concerns. He must check out medically to be selected this high.

      Options: Washington could opt for Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen. The Redskins have pressing needs along the offensive line, especially at left tackle where longtime starter OLT Chris Samuels is considering retirement. Oklahoma State OT Russell Okung could fill that need.

   5. Kansas City Chiefs: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State

      The Chiefs are another team with multiple needs, but their pass protection last season was particularly bad. Kansas City QB Matt Cassel was sacked and hit repeatedly in 2009. Oklahoma State OT Russell Okung has the strength, athleticism, frame, and skills to play either left or right tackle and keep Cassel's jersey clean. The selection of Okung would not only be an investment in the line, but would also protect their investment in Cassel.

      Options: The Chiefs have needs at wide receiver, inside linebacker, and safety. Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant, Alabama ILB Rolando McClain, and Tennessee SS Eric Berry (if available) could fill those needs.

   6. Seattle Seahawks: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame

      Seahawks starting QB Matt Hasselbeck will be 35 when the 2010 season rolls around, and he hasn't been able to stay healthy the last couple of seasons. New Seattle HC Pete Carroll will probably take this opportunity to draft the team's quarterback of the future. Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen has the skills, intelligence, and experience in a pro-style offense to lead an NFL team for several years. Clausen's surgically-repaired toe will have to be checked and cleared if he's be selected this high.

      Options: The Seahawks desperately need a left tackle since longtime OLT Walter Jones could retire at any time.

   7. Cleveland Browns: Joe Haden, CB, Florida

      The Browns struggled at many positions last season. While the focus was on their quarterback problems, cornerback play opposite starting CB Eric Wright was also a big issue. Florida CB Joe Haden is the closest thing to a shutdown corner in today's NFL. He has a great combination of speed, quickness, size, strength, and instincts. He has excellent coverage skills and is physical against the run.

      Options: The Browns have so many needs that they can easily choose the best player available. If one of the top quarterbacks is available, the Browns will have to give them serious consideration. The team's linebacker corps could use some new blood as could their pass rush. Cleveland also needs a power running back to replace RB Jamal Lewis, regardless of whether he returns or retires this offseason.

   8. Oakland Raiders: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers

      The Raiders' offense has struggled not only because of the slow development of QB JaMarcus Russell, but also because of substandard play along the offensive line. Rutgers OT Anthony Davis has the size, athleticism, and physical tools to provide Oakland's line with some punch in the running game and better protection in the passing game. However, his conditioning and maturity could give teams, even the Raiders, some pause.

      Options: The Raiders have needs at offensive tackle, defensive end, and defensive back. But the Raiders have proven to be a wildcard in recent drafts, and this year should be no different.

   9. Buffalo Bills: Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa

      The Bills have to get an offensive left tackle in this draft. The Bills failed to replace disgruntled OLT Jason Peters after trading him to the Eagles last offseason. Trading Peters may have been the worst move of any team last year. The turmoil that ensued cost OC Turk Schonert and HC Dick Jauron their jobs. Iowa OT Bryan Bulaga has the size, strength, and athleticism to anchor the left side of the line. He's equally adept at run blocking and pass protection, neutralizing some of best defensive ends in the nation.

      Options: Beyond offensive tackle, the Bills have needs at quarterback and wide receiver. Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant would allow the Bills to move away from WR Terrell Owens. The Bills could opt to take Oklahoma OT Trent Williams over Bulaga, but Williams appears to be better suited for the right tackle position.

  10. Denver Broncos (from Chicago): Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

      The Broncos' problems with WR Brandon Marshall flared up again at the end of the 2009 season, making it likely the team will part ways with him in the offseason. Marshall was their most effective wide receiver last season, making a replacement critical to the team's success. Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant has the size, athleticism, and ball skills to develop into Marshall's replacement.

      Options: The Broncos have needs at defensive end and inside linebacker. While there may not be a 3-4 defensive end worthy of this spot, Alabama ILB Rolando McClain would be an excellent addition to keep Denver's defense moving in the right direction.

  11. Jacksonville Jaguars: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech

      The Jaguars' pass rush continues to be subpar despite the additions of former first-round draft pick DE Derrick Harvey and second-round draft pick DE/OLB Quentin Groves a couple of years ago. Groves appears to be a bust while Harvey has underperformed. Georgia Tech DE Derrick Morgan has the all-around skills to rush the passer while not being a liability against the run.

      Options: The Jaguars could opt to select a different defensive end or Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant, if available. Florida QB Tim Tebow is a real possibility even though his selection at this spot would be a huge reach. There has been a groundswell of public support for Tebow's addition, and Jags owner Wayne Weaver has to get the fan base excited again in order to sell tickets.

  12. Miami Dolphins: Rolando McClain, ILB/OLB, Alabama

      The Dolphins have to replenish their linebacker corps. OLB Jason Taylor is past his prime and injured ILB Channing Crowder is unlikely to be brought back. Alabama LB Rolando McClain has the athleticism and versatility to play inside or outside. He can stop the run, rush the passer, or drop into coverage. His versatility would give the Dolphins tremendous flexibility should they need to add linebackers in the free agency aftermarket.

      Options: The Dolphins could opt to select a more traditional pass rushing defensive end and move him to the 3-4 outside linebacker position. The team also needs new blood at the nose tackle position. Miami could trade down a few spots and select someone like Tennessee DT Dan Williams.

  13. San Francisco 49ers: Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma

      The 49ers' offensive line struggled in 2009, especially on the right side. While OLT Joe Staley played well, San Francisco never got consistent play from their right tackles. Oklahoma OT Trent Williams was an excellent right tackle for the Sooners before being moved to left tackle for the 2009 season, with mixed results. Williams has the skills set to start at right tackle and enough athleticism and experience to be an injury fill-in at left tackle.

      Options: The 49ers have needs at quarterback, cornerback, and safety. They would have to maneuver (up or down) in the draft to match these needs with the available prospects. Luckily for the 49ers, they have two first round picks to use to make a deal happen or to use to address two of their needs.

  14. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver): Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech

      The Seahawks running game was spotty at best during the 2009 season. RB Julius Jones is nothing more than a complimentary back while RB Justin Forsett isn't starting caliber either. Georgia Tech RB Jonathan Dwyer has the size and skills to lead the team's rushing attack.

      Options: The Seahawks have a considerable need at left tackle. If one of the top tackles falls to this spot, Seattle will have a difficult time passing on him.

  15. New York Giants: Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee

      The Giants' offseason acquisitions of DT Rocky Bernard and DE/DT Chris Canty were big disappointments last season as the team's combined effort at the defensive tackle position yielded only 4.5 sacks in 2009. Tennessee DT Dan Williams would provide a physical yet athletic presence on the inside that the Giants currently lack and help cover up any problems the team may have replacing MLB Antonio Pierce.

      Options: The Giants' defense has plenty of needs. New York needs to find a replacement for MLB Antonio Pierce, improve their pass rush, and find a reliable safety to pair with FS Kenny Phillips, who is coming off a season-ending knee injury,

  16. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina): Taylor Mays, FS, USC

      The 49ers have some concerns in the secondary. USC FS Taylor Mays would provide the range and striking power to bolster the run defense and improve the team's pass coverage.

      Options: The 49ers have needs at quarterback and in the secondary. A pass rusher such as Texas DE/OLB Sergio Kindle will also receive serious consideration.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 20, 2010, 01:38:40 PM
Quote17. Tennessee Titans: Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida

      Titans DE Kyle Vanden Bosch, 31, has been nicked up for the last couple of seasons, and he's slated for free agency. If Tennessee decides not to re-sign him, it will have a big need at defensive end. Florida DE Carlos Dunlap has the combination of size, speed, and athleticism that NFL teams crave. He's only available here because of a so-so 2009 campaign and his DUI arrest in December.

      Options: The Titans have considerable needs at outside linebacker and cornerback, but there doesn't appear to be any prospects at those positions worthy of being taken at this spot.

  18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Mike Iupati, OG/OT, Idaho

      The Steelers have to protect QB Ben Roethlisberger better and improve their running game. Idaho OG/OT Mike Iupati is the type of athletic, powerful linemen they need to get the Steelers offense back on track. Iupati could start immediately at guard, but with the right coaching, he could develop into a starting left tackle.

      Options: The Steelers' primary needs are at offensive tackle and cornerback. If FS Ryan Clark leaves via free agency, the team may not be able to replace him with the current safeties on the roster. Texas FS Earl Thomas could fill that potential need. The Steelers love linebackers and Clemson OLB Ricky Sapp has the skill set Pittsburgh can use. If Florida DE Carlos Dunlap is available, it's unlikely the Steelers will pass on him. With RB Willie Parker expected to move on, the Steelers could select Clemson RB C.J. Spiller to complement RB Rashard Mendenhall.

  19. Atlanta Falcons: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida

      The Falcons desperately need a cornerback, but they'd have to trade down from this spot to match this need with the available talent. Instead, the Falcons could improve their pass rush to help out their secondary. South Florida DE Jason Pierre-Paul is somewhat raw but he has a very good combination of size, athleticism, and burst off the edge.

      Options: The Falcons could trade down and select a cornerback like Florida State CB Patrick Robinson, Rutgers CB Devin McCourty, or even Texas FS/CB Earl Thomas. Atlanta may also opt to bolster their wide receiver or linebacker corps.

  20. Houston Texans: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson

      Texans second-year RB Steve Slaton (neck – IR) failed to follow up his terrific rookie season. He's not an every down back who can take the punishment of bigger backs. Undrafted rookie RB Arian Foster opened eyes running for 219 yards and three touchdowns in the final two games of Houston's 2009 campaign. While he has good size and inside running skills, he lacks explosive qualities. Clemson RB C.J. Spiller has adequate size and an excellent combination of speed, quickness, and athleticism. He runs with vision and bursts through the hole. He is extremely elusive in the open field. Spiller would be a welcome playmaking addition to the Texans' offense.

      Options: The Texans need to bolster their defensive tackle, cornerback, and safety positions and could trade down to select any number of defensive prospects later in the first round.

  21. Cincinnati Bengals: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma

      The Bengals' offense lacked receiving options last season, especially at tight end. The Bengals suffered a rash of season-ending injuries to their tight ends in 2009. Starting TE Reggie Kelly (Achilles - IR) is 32. Backup TE Ben Utecht (concussion - IR) sustained another concussion last summer. Rookie TE Chase Coffman (foot - IR) struggled to block and couldn't get off the game-day inactive list before he was placed on injured reserve. The team need for a young, multipurpose tight end could be filled by Oklahoma TE Jermaine Gresham, who could have been a top 15 selection last year but opted to return to Oklahoma only to miss the entire 2009 season with a knee injury. Nevertheless, Gresham has the size, athleticism, hands, ball skills, and body control to consistently threaten opposing defenses.

      Options: The Bengals need some new blood at wide receiver if their current players can't step up. The Bengals passing attack did not threaten defenses last season, especially after losing deep threat WR Chris Henry. Without Henry, WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh.(signed a free agent deal with Seattle in the offseason), and the Bengals top two tight ends, QB Carson Palmer and the passing game struggled down the stretch, culminating in the playoff loss to the Jets in the wildcard round. Unofficially, 17 of 36 passes were either dropped or inaccurate against the Jets. Cincinnati needs to continue to upgrade their defensive line and free safety positions. The Bengals must also make a decision about PK Shayne Graham, who missed two short field goals in the second half of the 24-14 playoff loss to the Jets.

  22. New England Patriots: Sergio Kindle, OLB/DE, Texas

      The Patriots have to continue to infuse youth and athleticism into their defense. The team's pass rush was disappointing last season. Part of that was due to the trade of DE Richard Seymour early in the season and part was due to injuries to DE Jarvis Green and DE Ty Warren. But the team's outside linebackers, specifically OLB Adalius Thomas, disappointed last season. Thomas' public disagreements with HC Bill Belichick and the failure of trade acquisition OLB/DE Derrick Burgess to make an impact may indicate a change is in order. Texas OLB/DE Sergio Kindle is the type of college defensive end the Pats love to move to outside linebacker in their 3-4 defense.

      Options: The Patriots have a long list of needs. First, New England needs to improve their pass rush. The team also needs to continue to improve its offensive line and secondary. The Patriots also need to address their wide receiver, third-down back, and tight end positions. The Pats aren't getting as much as they should from their tight ends in the passing game, especially from TE Ben Watson, while WR Randy Moss, RB Kevin Faulk and RB Fred Taylor aren't getting any younger.

  23. Green Bay Packers: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland

      The Packers desperately need an offensive tackle. Maryland OT Bruce Campbell has excellent size and athletic ability. While he has durability issues, he has the potential to anchor the left side of the line for years to come.

      Options: The Packers have very little quality depth behind CB Charles Woodson, 33, and CB Al Harris, 34. Harris was placed on injured reserve with a knee injury and Woodson was hobbled at the end of the season. Replacement starters must be groomed. The Packers made good progress last season moving from a 4-3 to a 3-4 defense. But one glaring problem was trying to use DE Aaron Kampman as an outside linebacker. Kampman is slated for free agency and is unlikely to return.

  24. Philadelphia Eagles: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas

      The Eagles failed to adequately replace FS Brian Dawkins, whom they allowed to leave via free agency last year. Texas FS Earl Thomas has the speed, athleticism, and ball skills to provide "corner-like" coverage on opposing receivers. While he has strong legs, Thomas has just average size and has been inconsistent in run support in the past.

      Options: The Eagles need to upgrade their linebacking corps. They need a big time playmaker in the middle or on the outside since many of their current linebackers can play inside or out. Adding a middle linebacker, however, would allow MLB Stewart Bradley to move back to the outside. The team's cornerback play was just average in 2009. CB Asante Samuel was inconsistent at times while CB Sheldon Brown shows signs of decline. But the bigger problem was depth. The Eagles need to consider grooming some young prospects to move into starting positions down the road. The Eagles' offensive line underperformed last year. QB Donovan McNabb had to dodge defenders too often and C Jamal Jackson's season-ending knee injury really hindered the offense. At running back, rookie RB LeSean McCoy proved to be a real find, but RB Brian Westbrook is near the end of his career and RB/FB Leonard Weaver was inconsistent as a power runner.

  25. Baltimore Ravens: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame

      The Ravens need to overhaul their wide receiver corps. No. 1 WR Derrick Mason flirted with retirement last summer while No. 2 WR Mark Clayton continued his inconsistent play in 2009, when he wasn't sidelined with injuries. Combine that with the fact that WR Demetrius Williams lost his No. 3 job to journeyman WR Kelley Washington, and Baltimore has a clear need to a top flight wideout. Notre Dame WR Golden Tate has good speed, quickness, and elusiveness. He quickly finds the soft spots in the defense and uses strong hands to snatch the ball out of the air.

      Options: The Ravens have a pressing need at cornerback. Rookie CB Lardarius Webb showed promise when thrust into CB Fabian Washington's starting spot, but Webb, like Washington, sustained a season-ending knee (torn ACL) injury. Meanwhile, Washington is slated for free agency. The tight end and linebacker positions must also be addressed.

  26. Arizona Cardinals: Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri

      The Cardinals' best linebacker, Karlos Dansby, is slated for free agency while OLB Bertrand Berry retired. In addition, OLB Chike Okeafor and ILB Clark Haggans are on the wrong side of 30. Missouri LB Sean Weatherspoon has the athleticism, skills and intangibles to work at any of the linebacker positions.

      Options: The Cardinals' offensive line remains a work in progress, with the left tackle position the one most in need of an upgrade. OLT Mike Gandy is a better guard than tackle and it's unclear whether the Cardinals will keep him from becoming a free agent. If the team parts ways with WR Anquan Boldin, a replacement must be found. The team's secondary also need another cornerback who can develop into a starter opposite CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.

  27. Dallas Cowboys: Jared Odrick, DT/DE, Penn State

      Cowboys DE Marcus Spears is slated to become a free agent in the offseason. The Cowboys have to find a defensive end with size or slide NT Jay Ratliff over to defensive end and draft a nose tackle. Penn State DT Jared Odrick has the skill set to fit as a 3-4 defensive end. He has good size, quickness, and burst. Odrick also shows good instincts and a non-stop motor.

      Options: The Cowboys surrendered six sacks in the 34-3 playoff loss to the Vikings. OLT Flozell Adams and ORT Marc Colombo have limitations and No. 3 OT Doug Free was deemed not good enough to start against Minnesota. The Cowboys must upgrade their wide receiver corps. While WR Miles Austin emerged as a starter, WR Roy Williams continued to be inconsistent and WR Patrick Crayton is best suited in the slot. On defense, FS Ken Hamlin has been underwhelming while backup FS Pat Watkins plays like a backup.

  28. San Diego Chargers: Ryan Mathews, RB, Fresno State

      The Chargers need to address their running back position. RB LaDainian Tomlinson finished with career lows across the board in 2009 while RB Darren Sproles is at the end of his one-year, franchise-player contract. Fresno State RB Ryan Mathews has a good combination of size, power, and speed. He is a hard inside runner who bursts through the hole and shows some elusiveness.

      Options: The Chargers could opt to select California RB Jahvid Best, but Best lacks size and struggles in pass protection. He also has a history of concussions. The Chargers need to groom NT Jamal Williams' eventual replacement now. Williams' season-ending triceps injury brought into focus how critical a stout nose tackle is to a 3-4 defense. The Chargers don't have a replacement for Williams on their roster, so they have to find a prospect immediately. The Chargers entered the 2009 season with only three cornerbacks. Lucky for them, that did not hurt them much, but the Chargers can't count on being that lucky again in 2010. San Diego needs to add a starting wideout opposite WR Vincent Jackson, especially if free-agent-to-be WR Malcom Floyd is not re-signed. The Chargers also have issues along the offensive line. C Nick Hardwick (ankle) is talented but injury prone. ORT Jeromy Clary is a journeyman. The Chargers could move OLT Marcus McNeill from the left side, where he's looked overmatched at time, to the right side and then draft a left tackle.

  29. New York Jets: Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU

      Trade acquisition WR Braylon Edwards failed to spark the Jets' passing game in 2010. Edwards' inconsistent hands and lack of chemistry with QB Mark Sanchez should earn him a one-way ticket out. But the Jets don't have anyone to replace him in the starting lineup, and WR Jerricho Cotchery is a better No. 2 receiver than a No. 1. LSU WR Brandon LaFell has good athleticism and height. He's quick off the snap and defeats jams. LaFell runs good routes, getting in and out of his breaks quickly. And he fights for balls in traffic.

      Options: The Jets need to add youth at the pass rushing and nose tackle positions and speed at the wideout position. Every player on the Jets starting defensive line is over 30 while former first-round draft pick OLB Vernon Gholston has yet to earn a starting job. Undrafted OLB Jamaal Westerman (2009) appeared to have moved ahead of Gholston last season. The Jets need to add a quality backup to NT Kris Jenkins, who finished this season on the injury list once again.

  30. Minnesota Vikings: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State

      The Vikings play at cornerback was inconsistent in 2009. CB Antoine Winfield missed time due to injuries and the CB Cedric Griffin led a disappointing rotation at the other starting corner spot. Florida State CB Patrick Robinson has a good combination of size, speed, athleticism, quickness, and ball skills despite some periodic struggles during the 2009 season.

      Options: The play of aging ORG Anthony Herrera (concussion) really dropped off in 2009. He failed to deliver punch in the running game and keep defensive tackles out of Favre's face on passing downs. The Vikings need to find some young linebackers to groom behind starting MLB E.J. Henderson (broken leg) and OLB Ben Leber, whose play has slipped. Rookie MLB Jasper Brinkley looked average filling in for Henderson over the last month. The team also needs a successor to DT Pat Williams, who is winding down his career. Minnesota needs to replace No. 2 RB Chester Taylor, if he leaves via free agency. If QB Brett Favre retires, the Vikes will need to address that position.

  31. Indianapolis Colts: Brian Price, DT, UCLA

      The Colts have needs at defensive tackle once again. They need tackles who are stout against the run and who can collapse the pocket. UCLA DT Brian Price, who was the 2009 Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year, recorded 23.5 tackles for a loss last season. He would provide the Colts with a much need push in the middle.

      Options: The Colts need a young left tackle that can lock down the position. OLT Tony Ugoh's struggles led to his replacement by journeyman OT/OG Charlie Johnson. Starting QB Peyton Manning is too important for the Colts to allow a doubt about his blindside protection. In the secondary, the Colts continue to experience injuries, including SS Bob Sanders. More durability must be added to this area.

  32. New Orleans Saints: Everson Griffen, DE, USC

Saints starting DE Will Smith and DE Charles Grant continued to disappoint during the 2009 season. Grant may not be back, meaning the Saints will have to find a replacement. USC DE Everson Griffen has a very good blend of size, speed and explosiveness.

Options: The Saints may need to replace OLB Scott Fujita, who is slated for free agency. Even if Fujita is re-signed, New Orleans needs more impact linebackers. The team also needs to improve competition at their strong safety and guard positions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 20, 2010, 03:43:26 PM
Ravens just signed Stallworth at wide receiver I think so they will go elsewhere in the first unless Dez Bryant falls to them. They are conservative and will go with a pick on defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 20, 2010, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 20, 2010, 03:43:26 PM
Ravens just signed Stallworth at wide receiver I think so they will go elsewhere in the first unless Dez Bryant falls to them. They are conservative and will go with a pick on defense.

Stallworth is only a #2 receiver though so they still need help at WR.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 23, 2010, 12:45:33 AM
End of an era for the Chargers as LT heads off into the sunset.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 23, 2010, 11:24:20 AM
Not all that surprising but sad at the same time. Things really ground to a halt for him quickly after his record breaking year which wasn't all that long ago. As great as he was I doubt many major teams would take him on board, especially if he's expecting a big contract.

He can't run between the tackles anymore so perhaps he might fit better in a spread offense or a wildcat team perhaps.

Randy Moss expected to leave New England as well. Would be nice to have him in Atlanta.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 23, 2010, 11:36:21 AM
One of last tears top 8 might have a look. Particularly the Vikes (Chester T is a free agent), the Pats, or Indy. They are only allowed to sign released players unless they lose free agents of their own, so they are in a bind.

Sad to see him go, but I think the roots of his decline were sewn early on. Marty Schottenheimer really ran him into the ground for those record breaking years (he caught 100 passes in a season on top of all the rushing yards!).

Now, we need to fix the D line and get a back in the draft. Also I'd take a look at Sharper as a one year flyer. The saints are going to let him enter Free Agency, and I think it might be interesting to see his organizational skills and ball hawking ability in the Bolts secondary for a season or two while the likes of Cason and Ellison develop.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 23, 2010, 12:15:00 PM
I would guess LT still has a lot more in the tank. The Chargers just don't want to pay him what he is worth any more. A shrewd team that lacks a good running back willl bring him in for a few years and take advantage of this situation.

That is of course assuming he is not injured beyond repair, but he was talking at the start of last season about being better than Adrian Peterson so maybe there is more to come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 23, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
I strongly disagree Capt Pat. As a Chargers fan I love the guy, but he's a shadow of his former self. Matt Williamson of ESPN scouts Inc. Agrees with me...

LT ran out of gas in San Diego

Future Hall of Famer LaDainian Tomlinson was released by the San Diego Chargers Monday. Obviously this begs the question: What does Tomlinson have left and what is his value around the league at this advanced point of his career?

My answer to that question is short and simple: very little. Surely Tomlinson will get an opportunity with another team. He still consistently gets into the end zone, is a high character person and no one can question his will to win. The Houston Texans come to mind immediately as they need to add some veteran leadership. But I think his mind now writes checks his body can no longer cash. Tomlinson knows what it takes to succeed, but his once-exceptional long speed, jump-cutting ability, overall quickness, power and explosiveness have left him, as they leave most great runners his age with that much wear and tear on their bodies. I hate to say it, but I see Tomlinson ending his career much as Edgerrin James or Emmitt Smith did in Arizona. That's not good.

Despite featuring one of the most feared passing games in the league, San Diego was simply awful on the ground in 2009. The offensive line was certainly not great and there were several prominent injuries up front, but Tomlinson deserves much of the blame. The Tomlinson of a few years ago would have carved up defensive fronts that did not dedicate an extra defender to the box. This Tomlinson simply could not.

As happens with most declining runners, Tomlinson could no longer create big plays for himself. The long runs are gone. He can't run away from defenses or create the same space for himself as he once did. Tomlinson averaged a measly 3.3 yards per carry and was unable to break a run longer than 36 yards last season. He has rushed for 100 yards in a game only twice over the past two seasons.

Tomlinson also has become a forgotten member of San Diego's passing attack, catching only 20 passes this season. Before 2009, Tomlinson had never caught fewer than 51 passes. This once-great receiving option is no longer dynamic enough to make a difference in this phase of the game. When was the last time Tomlinson made a play that made you say "wow" to yourself? The answer probably is the 2007 season. That was a long time ago. It doesn't make me happy to say it, but Tomlinson is done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on February 23, 2010, 02:39:54 PM
Ya, not surprised he's gone. Was a shadow of himself last season, just not able to make the cuts he used to. Brilliant player and hall of famer nailed on. Looks like the white LT chargers jersey i have is going to be a retro one now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 23, 2010, 03:12:02 PM
Same as every running back approaching 30, the burst just isn't there, allied to quite a few injuries and a heavy workload. He was truly great in his prime. A top running back now only seems to have 4-5 years at the very top. One thing that stuck with me about him though was a few years ago against  the Pats, may have been their 16-0 year, in the AFC championship game some thought he should have played more. I remember him sitting on the sideline with the helmet and black visor on and Rivers played the same game with a fcuked Achilles. Totally different positions I know but I thought I heard murmurs from teammates at the time they were pissed off with him.

    McGrens probably remembers this better than me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 23, 2010, 03:42:25 PM
I remember that too. Don't know how his team-mates took it but yeah, didn't even take the helmet off. He might have played 1 down and came off.

Brian Westbrook is another back who I thought is well past his prime too. But then again the Eagles haven't still figured out that running backs can do other things than pass block.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 23, 2010, 04:35:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 23, 2010, 03:12:02 PM
Same as every running back approaching 30, the burst just isn't there, allied to quite a few injuries and a heavy workload. He was truly great in his prime. A top running back now only seems to have 4-5 years at the very top. One thing that stuck with me about him though was a few years ago against  the Pats, may have been their 16-0 year, in the AFC championship game some thought he should have played more. I remember him sitting on the sideline with the helmet and black visor on and Rivers played the same game with a fcuked Achilles. Totally different positions I know but I thought I heard murmurs from teammates at the time they were pissed off with him.

    McGrens probably remembers this better than me.

I remember it indeed. LT had a bum ankle I think and Rivers played on a Torn ACL! Had surgery to clean it out straight after the Colts game the previous week and slept in some funny machine all week that kept his knee joint moving during the night to stop it ceasing up.

Then he had the surgery to repair the actual torn ACL after the Pats game.

Doesn't sit well with alot of people. He worked hard to get back from that injury, then got Turf Toe in about game 2 of last season and was never the same again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on February 23, 2010, 05:41:53 PM
Always thought that was a bit harsh on LT, If he was up and down the sideline cheering on his teammates (which he should have been) there would never have been such a furore over him not playing, there would have been a "Look at LT - what a great team-mate" tyoe moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2010, 09:09:01 PM
Westbrook to be cut as well.

Quote
Eagles will release veteran RB Westbrook so he can find new team

The Philadelphia Eagles announced Tuesday that they will release two-time Pro Bowl running back Brian Westbrook, who struggled to stay healthy this past season.

A source told NFL Network's Jason La Canfora that the Eagles can't actually cut Westbrook until the start of the new league year next month. Recently, the Dolphins had to rescind a release of linebacker Joey Porter because of a salary-cap proration.

The salary cap is scheduled to expire March 5, barring a last-minute deal between the NFL and the players' union.

A former All-Pro, Westbrook led the league in 2007 with 2,104 yards from scrimmage. He rushed for 1,333 yards and accounted for 12 touchdowns that season.

However, Westbrook spent much of last season on the sideline. He missed eight games because of two concussions and an ankle injury and finished with just two touchdowns.

"Brian is one of the greatest Eagles of all time and he is even a better person and leader," Eagles coach Andy Reid said in a statement released by the team. "In my mind, there has not been a more versatile running back that the NFL has seen.

"I had a conversation with Brian this morning to let him know (he was being released). This is by far the most difficult part of this job. We wanted to make this move now in order to maximize Brian's chances of landing with another NFL team."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 23, 2010, 10:07:53 PM
about time they listened to me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 24, 2010, 09:28:49 AM
Two years ago the best running backs in the NFL and Fantasy Football - LT & Westbrook (based on running and catches) are now throw aways. People still can't fathom the money top players recieve in the NFL but this shows you how quickly it disappears.

Any team worth their salt would grab either one for a 1yr contract and help their playoff chances, injuries and all.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on March 04, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cardinals-want-third-round-pick-for-Boldin?urn=nfl,225755 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cardinals-want-third-round-pick-for-Boldin?urn=nfl,225755)

We had been talking about this recently. Looks like they aren't asking too high a price for Boldin. I'd be tempted to try and get more for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 05, 2010, 01:02:24 AM
He is 30 now I think and his contract is up in a year. He will also demand a lot of money and I would still bring him to any team for a third round pick.

Arizona have also released pro bowl safety Antrel Rolle. He was due to receive a 4 million dollar roster bonus. I am hoping the Vikings will pick him up in free agency which starts tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on March 05, 2010, 10:41:19 AM
First signing of the Free Agency, Nate Burleson WR to the Lions 5 years @ €25million...
Hoping my beloved Bears will make a run at Peppers & Rolle...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on March 05, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
Antonio Cromartie goes to the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on March 05, 2010, 04:13:25 PM
Dansby looking like he might be on his way to the dolphins but the cardinals want him to stay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 05, 2010, 05:21:03 PM
The Cardinals want everyone to stay but dont't want to pay. It rhymes but it doesn't make sense. Warner is gone, dansby is going, so they cut Rolle and our about to trade Boldin for a lot less than he is worth.

If those 4 players are not there next year, they will only be half the team they were in the last 2 years. It is amazing that after being so close to winning it all they are just going to let the team fall apart like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 05, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
In fairness Pat, Rolle is looking $8m a year and the Cards are willing to give him $6m a yr. It's no as if they are just discarding him, they Ma have a shot at resigning him if his contract demands don't get out of hand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 05, 2010, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 05, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
Antonio Cromartie goes to the Jets.

Jets are going to be even harder to throw on next season. Very impressive secondary they have with Revis and now Cromartie. And Jim Leonhard is a pretty good safety.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 05, 2010, 06:15:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 05, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
In fairness Pat, Rolle is looking $8m a year and the Cards are willing to give him $6m a yr. It's no as if they are just discarding him, they Ma have a shot at resigning him if his contract demands don't get out of hand.

I wouldn't go back to a team that treated me like that. I wouldn't go back to a team that treated me like that, I am due a big roster bonus at which point they say lets renegotiate the contract. There are 2 chances of that happening slim and none. He will get a good contract and a big signing bonus somewhere else from a team that will be saving themselves a first round draft pick. The Cowboys have a need at safety and a lot of money to spend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 05, 2010, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 05, 2010, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 05, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
Antonio Cromartie goes to the Jets.

Jets are going to be even harder to throw on next season. Very impressive secondary they have with Revis and now Cromartie. And Jim Leonhard is a pretty good safety.

Dunno Pat, Cromartie is unable or unwilling to tackle and is seen as "soft". Since his 10 interception season a few years ago he has had 5 in two seasons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 05, 2010, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 05, 2010, 06:15:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 05, 2010, 05:25:47 PM
In fairness Pat, Rolle is looking $8m a year and the Cards are willing to give him $6m a yr. It's no as if they are just discarding him, they Ma have a shot at resigning him if his contract demands don't get out of hand.

I wouldn't go back to a team that treated me like that. I wouldn't go back to a team that treated me like that, I am due a big roster bonus at which point they say lets renegotiate the contract. There are 2 chances of that happening slim and none. He will get a good contract and a big signing bonus somewhere else from a team that will be saving themselves a first round draft pick. The Cowboys
have a need at safety and a lot of money to spend.

As they keep saying though, it's just business. The players are as aware of that as anyone, for example when they try to renogoiate a contract after one good year. If they think try can get similar production from a player on less money the higher earning player will be cut every time, especially of he is due a roster bonus. Just like Thomas Jones earlier in the week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 06, 2010, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 05, 2010, 06:17:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 05, 2010, 06:08:51 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on March 05, 2010, 12:20:55 PM
Antonio Cromartie goes to the Jets.

Jets are going to be even harder to throw on next season. Very impressive secondary they have with Revis and now Cromartie. And Jim Leonhard is a pretty good safety.

Dunno Pat, Cromartie is unable or unwilling to tackle and is seen as "soft". Since his 10 interception season a few years ago he has had 5 in two seasons.

Absolutely. San Diego were dying to be rid of him. He has z chance to improve under Rex Ryan and opposite Revis. 

Problem is his off field paternity exploits are fast approaching Travis Henry levels. He has 7 children by 6 women in 5 states! He's also due in court for unpaid child support, unpaid traffic offenses, and was investigated for assault in November.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 06, 2010, 07:50:30 AM
Da Bears look to be the big winner here.

Peppers is potentially fantastic under Rod Marinelli and Smith. Taylor gives them a legit 2nd RB, with experience and the soft hands  and pass catching ability that Martz loves. And Manumaleuna gives them the traditional blocking Tight End that Martz schemes require (He likes Te's to block and then block some more), freeing Olsen up to either be the league's most horrendous match up problem at slot receiver, or trade bait so the Bears can move back up in the draft and go after O-line help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 06, 2010, 11:26:27 AM
The Bears have been very aggressive in Free Agency and on paper lok to have considerably strengthened their roster. It really depends on what Julius Peppers they get though, will it be the Peppers that can dominate a game (probably hasnt done it as much as people thought coming out of North Carolina) or the two sack season Peppers had a couple of years ago. Players always play harder when they are in a contract year and now that he has the monster contract and most likely his last big contract, it will be interesting to see how hard he plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 06, 2010, 12:44:39 PM
Boldin gone to the Ravens for 3rd and 4th round draft picks this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 06, 2010, 01:00:59 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 06, 2010, 12:44:39 PM
Boldin gone to the Ravens for 3rd and 4th round draft picks this year.

Saw that, is just what they need. They aren't far away now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on March 06, 2010, 01:45:35 PM
Ravens were lacking in receivers.Great pickup for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on March 07, 2010, 12:53:55 AM
The Dolphins picking up Karlos Dansby is an automatic upgrade on Defense. The linebacking core was woeful last season.

Now to find a decent wide receiver and a nose tackle then we might just get something going
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 07, 2010, 12:57:37 AM
Quote from: barelegs on March 07, 2010, 12:53:55 AM
The Dolphins picking up Karlos Dansby is an automatic upgrade on Defense. The linebacking core was woeful last season.

Now to find a decent wide receiver and a nose tackle then we might just get something going

and a quarterback..........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 07, 2010, 01:00:05 AM
The cardinals have shed about half of their elite players, Dansby, Boldiin and Warner as well as just kicking Rolle out the door. The 49ers with 2 first round picks will take over in that division. The Seahawks also have 2 first round picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 07, 2010, 01:04:04 AM
Agree Pat, they aren't a kick in the arse off becoming the Cards of old. Not sure Leinart is the answer, we will see how good te receivers really are without Warner, (Larry Fitt excluded)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 07, 2010, 10:28:16 AM
They just took a step back the other way... Picked up Kerry Rhodes in a trade with the Jets for a 4th and a 7th.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 07, 2010, 10:46:18 AM
Aaron Kampman away to the Jags.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 07, 2010, 11:13:06 AM
He's visited. No sign of a contract yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on March 07, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
Dan Snyder has been surprisingly quiet so far.Looks like he is going to let Shanahan run things the way he wants to,without interfering.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 07, 2010, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on March 07, 2010, 11:13:06 AM
He's visited. No sign of a contract yet.

NFL.co reporting he signed a "multi year contract" last night and will be announced today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 07, 2010, 12:08:43 PM
Wow. First time all wekend the info hasn't come from Adam Schefter first!

The man is unreal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 08, 2010, 10:15:50 AM
It's fairly turbulent times for the Cardinals, but this uncapped year coming up was always going to make things tricky, and quite simply the Cardinals, and the Bidwells in particular, are never big spenders. Boldin is gone, but to be honest, Doucet, Breaston and Urban are competent fillers for Fitzgerald. It's going to mean a big load on Doucet and Breaston in particular, but I have hopes for Doucet, he looks like a younger Anquin Boldin.

I was never a big fan of Rolle, even though he was a Pro Bowler. He was one of the worst exponents of that macho staple, the perpendicular hit as opposed to a wrap up tackle. Rhodes might be a decent replacement, and a huge contract is gone out the door.

Dansby is another big contract in waiting that's gone, but he is a bigger loss. Hopefully they'll get in a solid free agent replacement, or trade replacement, and supplement with one of the good linebackers in the draft.

That's probably the end of the losses now, so it all depends on who comes in. I'd like to give Leinhart a try, with maybe Clausen from  Notre Dame as his backup. The Defense is the key though, so if they can instill the fundementals of a pass rush, and a secondary and linebacking core that can cover and tackle, as opposed to looking to decapitate lads, I think they'll be a better balanced team.

The Cardiac Cards may be gone, especially with Warner's retirement, but hopefully the future might be more sustainable, and I still think Leinhart can lead a decent passing attack.

If the Cards go 8-8 or 7-9 this year I'd be happy with that as a basis for long term competitiveness and future playoff success again.

The NFC Worst might be about to shed that tag in the next couple of years. The Rams still look hopeless, but the Niners are definitely on an upward curve, the Seahawks have Pete Carroll and a good backup coaching team, and I think the Cardinals might be okay, certainly in the season after 2010. (Assuming there's no strike in '11 of course).

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 08, 2010, 01:02:54 PM
Rams might come around a bit too AZ. If they sign Fred Robbins it'll solidify D line full of young players with promise, freeing up the top pick for Bradford.

If he can deliver on his promise as an NFL QB and become the face of the franchise then they'll have two strong lines, a QB, and one if the NFL's best backs.
Good building blocks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 08, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
As usual the Pack are doing nothing in free agency, they badly need to replace Kampman but since he was the best of a bad free agent bunch they will, in all likelihood draft a stud pass rusher.

Good to see them sign Clifton, he is not the player he was but he was the best free agent out there Rogers should have the pass protection he needs now to have an even better year next season.

Farve is still f**king about pretending he is finished, he has also angered a lot of packer fans with his comments that the ' best job I did all year was to win over the Viking fans who hated me'. Well guess what Burt, there are now a lot of Pack fans who hate you for those comments and the way you conduct yourself on matters pertaining to the packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 08, 2010, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: stew on March 08, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
As usual the Pack are doing nothing in free agency, they badly need to replace Kampman but since he was the best of a bad free agent bunch they will, in all likelihood draft a stud pass rusher.

Good to see them sign Clifton, he is not the player he was but he was the best free agent out there Rogers should have the pass protection he needs now to have an even better year next season.

Farve is still f**king about pretending he is finished, he has also angered a lot of packer fans with his comments that the ' best job I did all year was to win over the Viking fans who hated me'. Well guess what Burt, there are now a lot of Pack fans who hate you for those comments and the way you conduct yourself on matters pertaining to the packers.

Yawn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 09, 2010, 10:47:23 AM
Cardinals will be mediocre at best now. They really did lean on that all star passing game to make them a winning team. With 2 of the 3 key components of that gone they won't be able to compensate for their hit and miss defense any more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 09, 2010, 11:18:20 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 09, 2010, 10:47:23 AM
Cardinals will be mediocre at best now. They really did lean on that all star passing game to make them a winning team. With 2 of the 3 key components of that gone they won't be able to compensate for their hit and miss defense any more.

Sorry Pat, I know what you are saying, but Boldin was peripheral at best in the run to the Superbowl, especially after the injury versus the JEts, and Breaston and Doucet picked up the slack in a big way this year as well.

Boldin is a loss, but I think Doucet can be a younger version. Fitzgerald is still there, and Breaston is improving.

Warner is the huge loss, and will definitely have an impact, gan dabht. As I said though, if the Cardinals can be more balanced, and Leinhart is middle of the range as a QB, then the Cardinals will be 8-8 or 7-9 this year, which I suppose is mediocre, but will lay the foundations from there on.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 09, 2010, 01:59:36 PM
Quote from: stew on March 08, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
As usual the Pack are doing nothing in free agency, they badly need to replace Kampman but since he was the best of a bad free agent bunch they will, in all likelihood draft a stud pass rusher.

Good to see them sign Clifton, he is not the player he was but he was the best free agent out there Rogers should have the pass protection he needs now to have an even better year next season.

Farve is still f**king about pretending he is finished, he has also angered a lot of packer fans with his comments that the ' best job I did all year was to win over the Viking fans who hated me'. Well guess what Burt, there are now a lot of Pack fans who hate you for those comments and the way you conduct yourself on matters pertaining to the packers.

Pack will not miss Kampman. He never made the switch to a 3-4 outside linebacker, was unhappy, and then got injured and was gone most of the season. Despite all this by the end of the season they were near the top in most defensive categorys and that young pass rusher they drafted last year whose name excapes me had a very good year.

They just need to add a wee bit more depth in the secondary. The injuries pilled up last year and showed against AZ in the playoffs. Outside of that, apart from the obvious (O-Line help) they need to continue to add 3-4 type D-line men.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on March 09, 2010, 08:57:41 PM
Quote from: stew on March 08, 2010, 09:04:17 PM
As usual the Pack are doing nothing in free agency, they badly need to replace Kampman but since he was the best of a bad free agent bunch they will, in all likelihood draft a stud pass rusher.

Good to see them sign Clifton, he is not the player he was but he was the best free agent out there Rogers should have the pass protection he needs now to have an even better year next season.

Farve is still f**king about pretending he is finished, he has also angered a lot of packer fans with his comments that the ' best job I did all year was to win over the Viking fans who hated me'. Well guess what Burt, there are now a lot of Pack fans who hate you for those comments and the way you conduct yourself on matters pertaining to the packers.
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 09, 2010, 11:17:52 PM
It looks like Ladanian Tomlinson might be headed to the Vikings. He has a visit scheduled for Thursday.

Clay Matthews was the GreenBay outside line backer you were thinking of???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 10, 2010, 12:28:07 AM
Yep. Clay Matthews.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on March 13, 2010, 09:38:20 AM
Redskins have signed Larry Johnson,obviously his best days are behind him but may be able to take some of the workload off Portis who has took a battering in recent seasons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2010, 10:56:25 PM
Browns trade Brady Quinn to Broncos and Kameron Wimbley to Raiders. Two more former first round draft picks out of town.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on March 14, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
And LT's a Jet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 15, 2010, 07:57:35 AM
Quote from: ONeill on March 14, 2010, 11:00:40 PM
And LT's a Jet.

Best move possible for him. There's a tonne of carries in that offence, and they have the league's best O-line.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2010, 10:08:50 AM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: full back on March 15, 2010, 10:16:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 15, 2010, 10:08:50 AM
Anyone interested in doing a Bracket for March Madness? For anyone who doesn't follow it, March Madness is probably the best 'tournament' in US Sports. 65 teams, with a prelim game to whittle down to 64. Followed by straight knockout in 4 regions, going from 64 to 32, sweet 16, elite 8 and into the Final 4 weekend with a National Championship game.

The teams are placed in 4 regions, each region has teams ranked 1 to 16, with 1 v 16, 2 v 15, 3 v 14 etc etc.

It's a great spectacle from March 18th to April 5th.

Anyway if you are interested, go here....

http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/en/group?groupID=53611 (http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/en/group?groupID=53611)

Group: GAABoard Bracketology
Password: fightingirish

Do you need an ESPN account to join it?
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Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2010, 10:18:09 AM
Yeah, but it's free. I'm thinking of ESPN for the Fantasy Football next season as well. I might start a fantasy baseball league to get the feel of it...

Anyone willing to help me out by taking part in a draft?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2010, 04:59:44 PM
Bump for our Stateside cousins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2010, 09:12:11 PM
I'll sign up for some March Madness alright

if i can remember my ESPN password  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 15, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2010, 09:12:11 PM
I'll sign up for some March Madness alright

if i can remember my ESPN password  :D

ArdboeHallion2010 ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 21, 2010, 11:52:13 PM
Joe Mauer signs a 180 million 8 year contract with the Twins. That is correct 8 years not 80, 180 million not 18. As a Twins follower this move keeps me happy.
The best catcher in baseball by a long way, he will keep the Twins in contention in the AL central as the twins open a new stadium.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5016230

http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/min/ballpark/index.jsp
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on March 22, 2010, 10:28:53 AM
What is March Madness? I'm presuming I've missed it whatever it is anyway?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 22, 2010, 12:20:44 PM
College basketball???? I wouldn't cross the road to watch it but the Americans probably do it a whole lot better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on March 22, 2010, 06:43:13 PM
Its brilliant....Rather watch it than NBA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on March 22, 2010, 06:53:45 PM
After going to college in the states, I would rarely watch the professional game anymore, there seems to be so much more connection between the teams and the fans than in the pro games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 22, 2010, 07:21:25 PM
College Basketball is 10 times the spectacle of the NBA in my mind. The NBA is all about the big men, the quick break and the slam dunk. College basketball is much more about the fundementals. Passing, half court offense and rebounding.

As a spectacle, with the fans and all, I think the College game is very watchable, whereas the NBA is only good in the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 25, 2010, 10:19:02 AM
Anyone interested in doing Fantasy Baseball on ESPN?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on March 26, 2010, 05:02:01 PM
What about the yahoo one? Accounts set up and all that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 26, 2010, 05:09:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 22, 2010, 07:21:25 PM
College Basketball is 10 times the spectacle of the NBA in my mind. The NBA is all about the big men, the quick break and the slam dunk. College basketball is much more about the fundementals. Passing, half court offense and rebounding.

As a spectacle, with the fans and all, I think the College game is very watchable, whereas the NBA is only good in the last 5 minutes.

Absolutely spot on AZ.

The tournament is the best American sporting event bar none, to me the only thing that comes close is the Stanley cup playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 30, 2010, 09:14:44 AM
ESPN to show Monday Night Football next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 31, 2010, 06:38:39 PM
Just happened to be watching the start of a Yankee pre-season game against the Twins just now.  First batter comes up for the Twins, Spam think his name is, well the third or fourth ball thrown to him he line drives it into the crowd and hits his mum square on in the bake. Not very funny at the time but reports are she is fine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2010, 02:48:52 AM
Donovan Mc Nabb traded by Eagles to the Washington Redskins.  Eagles get a couple of trade picks in return. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on April 05, 2010, 09:16:52 AM
As a Redskins fan,i'm happy with that move.Jason Campbell has been disappointing in the last few seasons though the offensive line offered him little or no protection.In saying that,Campbell always struggled under pressure in close games and had no composure.
McNabb has a few good years left in him and should improve an offense that has struggled in recent times.

Good win for the Red Sox last night over the evil empire,no better a way to start the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on April 05, 2010, 10:24:36 AM
Hows the nba shaping up??Lost track of it from came back here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on April 05, 2010, 11:36:04 AM
Quote from: Family guy on April 05, 2010, 10:24:36 AM
Hows the nba shaping up??Lost track of it from came back here

There's still a ridiculously long 82 game regular season before the playoffs start which means you can easily igore it for a few months in the winter and come back without having missed too much!!
Cleveland, Orlando, Atlanta, Miami and Boston are all going well in the East. Lakers, Dallas, Denver and Utah are in the lead in the West. It's all looking like a LBJ/Kobe final. The Celtics are past it and Kobe will beat all the west has to offer on his own.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on April 05, 2010, 11:38:37 AM
Must try get back in2 it but hard with the time zones,is big shaq helping lebron much these days,prob need him to get past orlando,casnt write off the celtics,havent watched them but with rondo and allen in the team they scary good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on April 05, 2010, 12:16:18 PM
Quote from: Family guy on April 05, 2010, 11:38:37 AM
Must try get back in2 it but hard with the time zones,is big shaq helping lebron much these days,prob need him to get past orlando,casnt write off the celtics,havent watched them but with rondo and allen in the team they scary good

Shaq is doing ok. He seems to be comfortable in his bench role. I think Dwight Howard doesn't have enough support around him to challenge the Cavs.
As for the Celtics, I don't rate them this year at all. Rondo is a good young player but doesn't have the experience to make him a truely great PG yet. Allen and Garnett have too many miles on the clock. Pierce is a good player but won't be able to go toe to toe with Lebron.
Lakers Cavs final I reckon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 05, 2010, 12:55:29 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 05, 2010, 09:16:52 AM
As a Redskins fan,i'm happy with that move.Jason Campbell has been disappointing in the last few seasons though the offensive line offered him little or no protection.In saying that,Campbell always struggled under pressure in close games and had no composure.
McNabb has a few good years left in him and should improve an offense that has struggled in recent times.

Good win for the Red Sox last night over the evil empire,no better a way to start the season.

dont you mean the 2009 ws champions? ;) great to have baseball back, if any of ye have iphones the mba has a great app, scores and video highlights on tap. called 'at bat' and the free version has everything youll ever need
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on April 05, 2010, 02:03:29 PM
I think Evil Empire sounds better to me :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 05, 2010, 06:15:19 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2010, 02:48:52 AM
Donovan Mc Nabb traded by Eagles to the Washington Redskins.  Eagles get a couple of trade picks in return.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVEWO_rv-S4&feature=player_embedded    :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 05, 2010, 11:50:39 PM
Big trade for the Redskins, getting an elite quarterback. They will trade back in the first round of the draft and take a left tackle. Risky move for reid and the Eagles, if McNabb does well with the Redskins and the Eagles struggle, he could lose his job.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on April 07, 2010, 09:22:30 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2010, 02:48:52 AM
Donovan Mc Nabb traded by Eagles to the Washington Redskins.  Eagles get a couple of trade picks in return.
I honestly cannot believe that! B Dawks the year before and now Mc Nabb this year, and to the Skins as well! For years they try and build an offence around this man and just when he starts to get the weapons at WR to cause some serious damage they trade him! There must be some serious talent coming through from college this year for that trade!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 07, 2010, 06:55:18 PM
what about that jason heyward? talk about living up to the hype on the first day. joins a short list of players that have hit a homerun on their first major league at bat. the crowd go nuts on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly_vlWXPACU
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 11, 2010, 11:25:39 PM
3 part documentary on American football in American Samoa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRDpfzZdWA4&feature=related

Its seems a bit condescending at times though but a great insight,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on April 12, 2010, 07:35:40 PM
Santonio Holmes is traded to the Jets for a 5th round pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 12, 2010, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 12, 2010, 07:35:40 PM
Santonio Holmes is traded to the Jets for a 5th round pick.

He is also suspended for the first 4 games of the season, low risk for Jets but he seems bad news.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 12, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 12, 2010, 07:38:11 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on April 12, 2010, 07:35:40 PM
Santonio Holmes is traded to the Jets for a 5th round pick.

He is also suspended for the first 4 games of the season, low risk for Jets but he seems bad news.

He is but the Jets coach, like so many before him seems to feel he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear, he has spent the summer signing the dregs of society in terms of questionable characters that play in the NFL.

I believe that his philosophy is that these guys are damaged goods, he pays them below market value because of their behaviour and makes them sign morality clauses and when they fcuk up he cuts them at minimal expense to the club, and if they turn it around and play like the studs they are he and the Jets make out like bandits.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 12, 2010, 11:22:38 PM
He needs these players to maintain the form they had last season. Sanchez is due a big sophomore slump if Rex doesn't provide him with some help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 12, 2010, 11:47:57 PM
He definitely doesn't need Tomlinson and Cromartie to show the same form as last year!

I'm sure he'd take Holmes' last year though!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 13, 2010, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: magickingdom on April 07, 2010, 06:55:18 PM
what about that jason heyward? talk about living up to the hype on the first day. joins a short list of players that have hit a homerun on their first major league at bat. the crowd go nuts on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly_vlWXPACU

Heyward looks a bit special alrite, lot of hype building about him, homed against Giant also, although the giants held on for the victory, I hope finally for a post season (post Bonds) for the Giants. Hopefully Lincecum and Zito can keep posting them figures through to the all star break.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 13, 2010, 10:00:53 AM
I'm starting to think Big Ben could be an ex Steeler within the next couple years. Their clearly running out of patience fast. Trading a 26 year old Superbowl MVP after his best season goer a 5th round pick is some shot across his bow. I think there's no way Holmes gets traded if Big Ben isn't in trouble with the law again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 14, 2010, 01:33:11 PM
Another AFC east move. Dolphins on verge of signing Brandon Marshall for 2nd rd pick this year and next. Great signing if they can keep him out of trouble.
Patriots sitting quietly watching, im sure they have something major in the pipeline or they could become third best in their division alone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
Adam Schefter has just confirmed this move. 2nd round pick this year and next year for him. Miami needed WR help though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 14, 2010, 02:04:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
Adam Schefter has just confirmed this move. 2nd round pick this year and next year for him. Miami needed WR help though.

They are shopping Ted Ginn Jnr as well,
He really hasnt worked out in the NFL at all.
He was a great college player though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 17, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
(http://steelerstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ben-roethlisberger-drunk-2.jpg)

insert caption here: :D


but seriously seems like things are getting worse the more its investigated for Ben. Think he might have left out a few details when he was before roger goodell recently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 17, 2010, 08:30:10 PM
They reckon he is on the trade block.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 17, 2010, 10:01:59 PM
http://www.irishamericannews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1335:-irish-offensive-lineman-at-west-liberty-university&catid=63:sports-roundup&Itemid=187

Here's an interview with a lad who used to play in the Irish league with Belfast and Carrickfergus who's now with West Liberty University. Great achievement for him an says good things out the Irish League.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 18, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
New York Mets won a game yesterday against St Louis which lasted 20 innings and just short on seven hours!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 18, 2010, 08:36:35 PM
and the mets won?!! thats some game, must be a record
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 21, 2010, 09:10:22 PM
Bog Ben suspended for six games. A bit harsh.

They are also now looking to trade him, possibly to the Raiders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2010, 09:42:30 PM
Not bad for apparently raping someone.  He should be in jail!
Steelers seem to know alot more than the public and i think they fear further repercussions later down the line! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 21, 2010, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 21, 2010, 09:10:22 PM
Bog Ben suspended for six games. A bit harsh.

They are also now looking to trade him, possibly to the Raiders.

Ben Roethlisberger at the Raiders sounds like a match made in heaven. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on April 21, 2010, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2010, 09:42:30 PM
Not bad for apparently raping someone.  He should be in jail!
Steelers seem to know alot more than the public and i think they fear further repercussions later down the line!

thats hardly fair carmen, the girl herself changed her story. if there was a sniff of rape dont you think some da would be prosecuting and making a name for themselves?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2010, 10:12:05 PM
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation file is intersting reading!
Link below gives a rough outline of its contents.

http://starcasm.net/archives/43141 (http://starcasm.net/archives/43141)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 21, 2010, 11:35:22 PM
(http://thebiglead.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ben-roethlisberger-drunk-2.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 21, 2010, 11:49:15 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 18, 2010, 03:23:08 PM
New York Mets won a game yesterday against St Louis which lasted 20 innings and just short on seven hours!

I was at the astros braves game in 2005 that went to 18 innings which was a post season record, even got to see Kurt Shilling (sp?) relief pitch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 23, 2010, 01:12:10 AM
Rams go with bradford in the draft. Suh and McCoy to the Lions and Bucs. Redskins take Trent Williams OT at number 4 instead of Okung
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 23, 2010, 08:03:18 AM
Tebow to Broncos in first round, why did they trade for Brady Quinn? Jimmy Clausen still not picked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 23, 2010, 10:49:09 AM
Clausen has a bad rep,due to a bar fight and supposedly not being very poular with his Notre Dame teammates.
Hes still a far better passer than Tebow.
Aas Minder said,where does that leave Brady Quinn?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 23, 2010, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on April 23, 2010, 10:49:09 AM
Clausen has a bad rep,due to a bar fight and supposedly not being very poular with his Notre Dame teammates.
Hes still a far better passer than Tebow.
Aas Minder said,where does that leave Brady Quinn?

I don't think Tebow will be a quarterback as we know  it. Tebow will either be a 'wildcat' QB option, because of his running ability, or they may even try to convert him to be a Tight End.

He's drafted because the Broncos think he will be a quality fella in the dressing room.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 23, 2010, 10:59:26 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 23, 2010, 10:53:05 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on April 23, 2010, 10:49:09 AM
Clausen has a bad rep,due to a bar fight and supposedly not being very poular with his Notre Dame teammates.
Hes still a far better passer than Tebow.
Aas Minder said,where does that leave Brady Quinn?

I don't think Tebow will be a quarterback as we know  it. Tebow will either be a 'wildcat' QB option, because of his running ability, or they may even try to convert him to be a Tight End.

He's drafted because the Broncos think he will be a quality fella in the dressing room.
You would see more College Football than i would AZ,
ive seen experts question his effectveness because whilst his speed and strength were good at the college level,The NFL athlete is a whole different breath,he wont outrun or bulldoze over NFL linebackers.
Aafter losing Brandon Marshall to Miami,even reaching for someone like Golden Tate(who played in a very similar offense to McDaniel's in college) would have made much more sense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 23, 2010, 11:37:03 PM
Round 2 on, McCoy and Clausen is still on the board after 5 picks. Browns might take them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 23, 2010, 11:43:59 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 23, 2010, 11:37:03 PM
Round 2 on, McCoy and Clausen is still on the board after 5 picks. Browns might take them.

Was sure they would take one of them. Teams obviously dont like what they see with Clausen and he is seeing millions of $$$$$$$$ slip away before his eyes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2010, 12:00:10 AM
have the raiders buggered things up? or are the Patriots trying to cheat again?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 12:29:19 AM
The Raiders have taken. Rolando McClain LB and Lamarr Houston at defensive tacle, a very solid draft for their defense.

The 49ers took 2 offensive line men with their 2 first round picks, 2 good players but a bit of a waste I felt to take a guard and left tackle in this draft. They have also just taken Taylor Mays to play safety.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 24, 2010, 12:33:59 AM
I'm happy enough with the Cardinals so far. Drafted Dan Williams the DT from Tennessee in the first round at 26, which is good, and then traded up to address another Defensive need with LB Daryl Washington from TCU. They were thinking him in the first round, so to get two potential first round picks in the first 2 rounds is great. I think they'll pick a safety or corner, and maybe a lower receiver and/or TE.

Decent, solid draft so far though, along the lines that Wisenhunt is going. Transforming them into a fundementally sound defensive team, with a decent offense. At least that's the plan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2010, 12:49:35 AM
not surprised to see the Panthers pick Clausen, Delhomme is too hot and cold
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 24, 2010, 12:52:34 AM
I thought they were trading Delhomme? Is Matt Moore not their starting QB now?

Edit: Yeah just checked. I knew I wasn't dreaming. Delhomme is in Cleveland now. I actually think the Panthers may have cut him altogether.

Clausen will be backup to Moore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 24, 2010, 10:24:58 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

Wouldn't agree with that Gerhart is a Doak Walker award winner and a runer in the Heisman voting, so should be a sound compliment to AP who seems to struggling later in the season.  Cook should also add some height and strength to a small enough secondary.

Of course this will all go to pot if Mr WillieWonthe decides to actually retire (read join another team)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 04:12:07 PM
The Vikings make a bit of a recoveery today and take defensive end Everson Griffen who was ranked much higher than the 4th round where they took him.

I am not saying the players they took are bad. I just think they should have played things differently and could have got better players for less picks. Having said that taking Griffen with the 4th round pick they swapped with Detroit begins to change the picture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 24, 2010, 05:24:20 PM
OK, so its Colt McCoy thats backing up Jake Delhomme so. Falcons seem to have addressed all their needs, to be honest they just need some more marquee players especially at WR.

However Falcon fans seem to be disgusted with our picks of Corey Peters and Joe Hawley. I know nothing about those guys anyone know why??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 06:09:14 PM
They probably know nothing about them either and that is why they are pissed off. They probably wanted a pass rushing defensive end or a corner back or safety. Hawley was also the second guard in a row that they took. Seems like a bit of a waste to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Surprised Colt McCoy doipped to the Browns, Holmgren must have near shit himself. If he can't make a player out of him nobody can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on April 25, 2010, 10:11:13 AM
Redskins trade Jason Campbell to the Raiders for a 2012 4th round pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 25, 2010, 11:25:49 AM
Sad to hear that, Jason Campbell had a promising career ahead of him. RIP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 25, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
Not funny, but funny :)

Actually good for Campbell to get out of DC at this stage. It's obvious they blame him for their recent poor years, which is harsh.

I think he could be a good pocket passer.

Of course, whether he will be a good pocket passer in Oakland is moot at this point, but at least it's not DC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 26, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
Does the JaMarcus Russell admission by the Raiders take Ryan Leaf's worst draft pick ever title away?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 26, 2010, 02:32:33 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 26, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
Does the JaMarcus Russell admission by the Raiders take Ryan Leaf's worst draft pick ever title away?

...and taken in conjunction with a reasonably solid, sensible draft- is this evidence that Al Davis is no longer alive?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2010, 02:36:33 PM
The Raiders could maybe try and turn Russell into an O lineman or Defensive Tackle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 26, 2010, 02:36:33 PM
The Raiders could maybe try and turn Russell into an O lineman or Defensive Tackle.

He's certainly fat enough for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 26, 2010, 03:50:28 PM
im delighted for Jason Campbell,i think he has the ability to be  a pro bowl QB with the right supporting cast.
hopefully Cable will give him that in Oakland.
Lamar Houstan and McClain are very good draft picks for the raiders considering what they have done in the past.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on April 27, 2010, 10:20:13 AM
Baseball fans. What is the deal with the Baltimore Orioles? A win rate of .158?! I mean, sheeeeit . . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on April 27, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
Jamarcus Russell is up to 300lbs now - he's massive!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
According to Adam Schefter the Raiders are preparing to cut Russell thus taking over from Ryan Leaf as the biggest bust of all time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 27, 2010, 11:05:08 PM
Quote from: turk on April 27, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
Jamarcus Russell is up to 300lbs now - he's massive!!

Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
According to Adam Schefter the Raiders are preparing to cut Russell thus taking over from Ryan Leaf as the biggest bust of all time.

He's the biggest QB bust of all time already Minder!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2010, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

that botched draft pick turned into future hall of famer defensive tackle Kevin Williams. Favre statistically has his best season ever for us last year and the Vikings front office after a number of poor years in the first half of the 90s is one of the best at drafting in the NFL, so we will have to wait and see how this years picks turn out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 27, 2010, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

that botched draft pick turned into future hall of famer defensive tackle Kevin Williams. Favre statistically has his best season ever for us last year and the Vikings front office after a number of poor years in the first half of the 90s is one of the best at drafting in the NFL, so we will have to wait and see how this years picks turn out.

Capt, the vikings had a team capable of winning it all last year, they had everything except a quarterback that could be relied upon not to make it about him, they had the superbowl champions beaten, all he had t do was to fall forward and Longwell would have been in range, not the aul gunslinger though, nah he makes it about him, throws a ball across his body and gets picked and ruins yet another season for yet another team. Karma baby after what he did t the jets, he is a scabby hoor and this year the packers will hand him his ass, I am not even a pack fan and I cant wait for him to go toe to toe with rogers, rogers and the pack will eat him alive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 28, 2010, 04:45:18 AM
Quoterogers and the pack will eat him alive

no chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 28, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 27, 2010, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

that botched draft pick turned into future hall of famer defensive tackle Kevin Williams. Favre statistically has his best season ever for us last year and the Vikings front office after a number of poor years in the first half of the 90s is one of the best at drafting in the NFL, so we will have to wait and see how this years picks turn out.

Capt, the vikings had a team capable of winning it all last year, they had everything except a quarterback that could be relied upon not to make it about him, they had the superbowl champions beaten, all he had t do was to fall forward and Longwell would have been in range, not the aul gunslinger though, nah he makes it about him, throws a ball across his body and gets picked and ruins yet another season for yet another team. Karma baby after what he did t the jets, he is a scabby hoor and this year the packers will hand him his ass, I am not even a pack fan and I cant wait for him to go toe to toe with rogers, rogers and the pack will eat him alive.

You've a very short memory Stew. And your dislike of Favre is colouring your judgement. Remember Adrian Peterson's 3 fumbles?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2010, 05:23:32 PM
When the Dolphins were interviewing Dez Bryant during a pre draft visit one of Jeff Irelands questions was "Was your mother a prostitute?"  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 28, 2010, 05:38:52 PM
I saw that. There's a big stink going on over there about it.

Apparently his mother has a prior conviction for drug use/supply and this question was asked by the Dolphins as part of their character check. Dunno what they would have done regardless of the answer though :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 28, 2010, 05:46:06 PM
Apparently they do ask some wacky questions though. Yer man Daniel Jeremiah did a bit about combine interviews on the Move The Sticks podcast and said that if a lad comes in who has concerns against their character, which was the case with Bryant, they'll ask questions designed to get their back up to see how they react.

The reasoning behind it is that opposing players are going to be doing the same thing. If Bryant had decked Jeff Ireland or blew up at the question chances are that when Darelle Revis asked the same question he'd lose the head too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 28, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

Predictable drivel.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
I meant to say, nice pickup on free agency by the Cardinals there. Alan Faneca, the multi pro bowl Offensive Guard released by the Jets. He's 33 years of age, so probably only a year or two left in him, but he should help Matt Leinhart by helping pick up some of those blitz packages.

Leinhart is left handed, so the right side of the O-Line is very important as it'll be Leinhart's blind side. Right Tackle has yet to be filled, so Faneca may well move to right guard to bring a bit of experience to that side, especially if Letui doesn't sign.

Another good, solid, unspectacular addition that will make them better. Also another ex-Steeler as Whisenhunt tries to relocate Pittsburgh to Arizona :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2010, 01:33:51 PM
Nice $7.75 million for a one year contract for Faneca too as the Jets owed him 5.35 million!

Read that Chris Johnson hasn't reported to the Titans yet and has been reported as saying that her wants to be the highest paid offensive player in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2010, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2010, 01:33:51 PM
Nice $7.75 million for a one year contract for Faneca too as the Jets owed him 5.35 million!

Read that Chris Johnson hasn't reported to the Titans yet and has been reported as saying that her wants to be the highest paid offensive player in the league.

He said that last year as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2010, 02:06:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2010, 01:33:51 PM
Nice $7.75 million for a one year contract for Faneca too as the Jets owed him 5.35 million!

Read that Chris Johnson hasn't reported to the Titans yet and has been reported as saying that her wants to be the highest paid offensive player in the league.

He is in a strong bargaining position too. I can see where he is coming from (even though he signed a 5 contract last year) as running backs have a very short shelf life at the very top, average 3 or 4 years I think so he is looking to cash in now. A team will certainly "restructure" a contract if a player is underperforming so they should restructure Johnsons as he is obviously performing well above it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 29, 2010, 03:38:51 PM
Alan Faneca deserves everything he gets, hes a future hall of famer and one of the greatest offensive linemen of all time.
He will help the cardinals and Leinart/Anderson.
Seems like big Jamarcus is going to be released if he doesnt take a paycut,before the raiders mini camp opens Monday.
He should go some place where he can learn under a pro bowler in a stable organisation like back to Louisiana and backup Brees.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 29, 2010, 04:20:15 PM
I think Jamarcus Russell will end up in KC.

Apparently the reason Pioli took Eric Berry in the draft instead of the top left tackle prospect was that he knew Russell would be available and he has all the size and athleticism needed to be a top LT...

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on April 29, 2010, 05:09:28 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 29, 2010, 04:20:15 PM
I think Jamarcus Russell will end up in KC.

Apparently the reason Pioli took Eric Berry in the draft instead of the top left tackle prospect was that he knew Russell would be available and he has all the size and athleticism needed to be a top LT...

;D ;D ;D

Nice one McGrens  :D
What a waste of god given talent,The guy had a cannon of an arm, and was actually mobile,if he werent 3/4 stone overweight.
Although seeing that he has 25-30 million dollars guaranteed so im sure he will be ok.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2010, 05:43:11 PM
The Raiders can't cut Jamarcus if he has a bad back. You are not allowed to cut players when they are injured. A bad back may be part of the reason he has put on so much weight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 29, 2010, 05:43:11 PM
The Raiders can't cut Jamarcus if he has a bad back. You are not allowed to cut players when they are injured. A bad back may be part of the reason he has put on so much weight

Or he may have a bad back because he's put on so much weight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2010, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 29, 2010, 05:43:11 PM
The Raiders can't cut Jamarcus if he has a bad back. You are not allowed to cut players when they are injured. A bad back may be part of the reason he has put on so much weight

Or he may have a bad back because he's put on so much weight.

Or he may have a bad back reaching down to the bottom of a bargain bucket from his couch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on April 29, 2010, 06:41:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 29, 2010, 06:09:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 29, 2010, 05:43:11 PM
The Raiders can't cut Jamarcus if he has a bad back. You are not allowed to cut players when they are injured. A bad back may be part of the reason he has put on so much weight

Or he may have a bad back because he's put on so much weight.

Or he may have a bad back reaching down to the bottom of a bargain bucket from his couch.

I can categorically deny that this manouvre in any way causes back problems.

3/4 Stone gains - yes however. ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 04, 2010, 07:20:11 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on April 28, 2010, 01:49:51 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 27, 2010, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

that botched draft pick turned into future hall of famer defensive tackle Kevin Williams. Favre statistically has his best season ever for us last year and the Vikings front office after a number of poor years in the first half of the 90s is one of the best at drafting in the NFL, so we will have to wait and see how this years picks turn out.

Capt, the vikings had a team capable of winning it all last year, they had everything except a quarterback that could be relied upon not to make it about him, they had the superbowl champions beaten, all he had t do was to fall forward and Longwell would have been in range, not the aul gunslinger though, nah he makes it about him, throws a ball across his body and gets picked and ruins yet another season for yet another team. Karma baby after what he did t the jets, he is a scabby hoor and this year the packers will hand him his ass, I am not even a pack fan and I cant wait for him to go toe to toe with rogers, rogers and the pack will eat him alive.

You've a very short memory Stew. And your dislike of Favre is colouring your judgement. Remember Adrian Peterson's 3 fumbles?

Oh, and lest I forget... Remember the 12 men in the huddle penalty?

12 MEN IN THE f**king HUDDLE!!! Crazy stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 04, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

Predictable drivel.
:D :D :D :D

Lets see, the Vikings draft was poor and was considered poor by most pundits.

The did fail to get their pick in on time and are the only team ever to hold that honor.

Farve is fecking around again, making it about him and he is becoming even more unpopular in Minnesota  by the day.

And finally, I know you dont know enough to know fcuk all about american sports ballaman but even you must acknowledge that Rogers was the smart pick by the packers, he will be a stud for the next decade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 04, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Rogers was the smart pick by the packers, he will be a stud for the next decade.

unlikely- mediocre at best
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 04, 2010, 07:58:03 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 04, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Rogers was the smart pick by the packers, he will be a stud for the next decade.

unlikely- mediocre at best

heganboy, I hope you are joking, rogers was tremendous last year and he is only now coming into his own, he had a very weak o line and still got the job done, how anyone can say he is mediocre is beyond me and he is far better than farve at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 04, 2010, 08:18:58 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 04, 2010, 07:37:38 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Rogers was the smart pick by the packers, he will be a stud for the next decade.

unlikely- mediocre at best

Heganboy- He is a fair bit better than mediocre.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 04, 2010, 08:35:49 PM
Quote from: stew on May 04, 2010, 07:34:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
Quote from: stew on April 27, 2010, 11:09:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 24, 2010, 01:03:22 AM
The Vikings have had a disastrous draft. Chris Cook corner back and Toby Gerhart running back with their first second and third pick. I am well and truly sickened. The Ravens had less picks going in and ended up with Sergio Kindle and Terrence Cody. What a mess.

:D :D :D :D :D

Brilliant draft from the queens, not only do they draft the wrong players for the wrong positions but they managed to get worse instead of better simply by not picking the best available player.

Still, they are not so far removed from not getting their pick to the podium on time, I mean what sort of mickey mouse organization is it that cant even get their pick in on time.  :D

How does Farve taste now viking fans? the man is a prima donna and the Packers absolutely did the right thing.

Nice draft pack by the way. ;)

Predictable drivel.
:D :D :D :D

Lets see, the Vikings draft was poor and was considered poor by most pundits.

The did fail to get their pick in on time and are the only team ever to hold that honor.

Farve is fecking around again, making it about him and he is becoming even more unpopular in Minnesota  by the day.

And finally, I know you dont know enough to know fcuk all about american sports ballaman but even you must acknowledge that Rogers was the smart pick by the packers, he will be a stud for the next decade.

you still having nightmares about farve stew? he hasnt gone away you know...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 06, 2010, 09:10:23 PM
In a shocking new development the Oakland Raiders have just released Jamarcus Russell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on May 06, 2010, 09:12:55 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5167613 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5167613)

Former NY Giants star Lawrence Taylor arrested for rape of a 16 year old.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on May 06, 2010, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on May 06, 2010, 09:10:23 PM
In a shocking new development the Oakland Raiders have just released Jamarcus Russell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757)

"He lost his starting job midway through last season. His career has been hampered by a rookie holdout, poor work habits, being overweight and the lack of productive players around him"

You might think that the millions of dollars, nothing else to do but practice might have made him get his shit together.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 06, 2010, 11:28:50 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 06, 2010, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on May 06, 2010, 09:10:23 PM
In a shocking new development the Oakland Raiders have just released Jamarcus Russell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5168757)

"He lost his starting job midway through last season. His career has been hampered by a rookie holdout, poor work habits, being overweight and the lack of productive players around him"

You might think that the millions of dollars, nothing else to do but practice might have made him get his shit together.

As Allen Iversen would say- "Practice!?"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on May 08, 2010, 10:19:36 PM
Brian Cushing the defensive rookie of the year and Houston Texans linebacker has been suspended for 4 games for steroid offenses. What a surprise ::). Voted most likely to do steroids in high school.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 08, 2010, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 08, 2010, 10:19:36 PM
Brian Cushing the defensive rookie of the year and Houston Texans linebacker has been suspended for 4 games for steroid offenses. What a surprise ::). Voted most likely to do steroids in high school.

Aye wasn't too surprised about that Pat, he should be stripped of his Defensive Rookie award.

What are the chances his "trainer" gets the blame?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 08, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
He's already released a denial. Joke.

Anybody watching NBA playoffs? LeBron unbelievable last night.

Im hoping for Nash to finally get a title since my Bulls are gone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 11, 2010, 07:00:22 PM
perfect game pitched by dallas braden for oakland. this guy had a run in with A Rod a few weeks back and in true oakland fashion his grandma reaction was to tell reporters to tell A Rod to stick it. only the 19th perfect game ever


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100510&content_id=9953502&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 11, 2010, 07:43:30 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on May 08, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
He's already released a denial. Joke.

Anybody watching NBA playoffs? LeBron unbelievable last night.

Im hoping for Nash to finally get a title since my Bulls are gone.

Le Bron James will probably go down as one of the top five players of al time by the time he is done, he is that good.

Nice response by the Celtics though, Rondo made leBron look average at times in game four, I never thought I would see that, not only that but the big three wanted him run outta town two years ago, now he is the best player on the Celtics, he is unbelievably quick.

C'mon Celtics, keep the cavs winless in world championships and get LeBron to Noo York were he belongs.  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 11, 2010, 11:25:50 PM
Ah, Stew.

Can't believe you say that.

It's like saying c'mon Down, beat Armagh, and away off to Dublin, Stevie, where you belong.

Sure, aren't we in Cleveland the Armagh of American sports. Years without a championship.  :-*

C'mon, LeBron, you home-grown Ohioan, slap it into those Celtics, them and their feckin' shamrocks. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 12, 2010, 12:06:39 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 11, 2010, 11:25:50 PM
Ah, Stew.

Can't believe you say that.

It's like saying c'mon Down, beat Armagh, and away off to Dublin, Stevie, where you belong.

Sure, aren't we in Cleveland the Armagh of American sports. Years without a championship.  :-*

C'mon, LeBron, you home-grown Ohioan, slap it into those Celtics, them and their feckin' shamrocks.

I was joking about him belonging in Noo York but the lad loves the bright lights and I think it is already a done deal that he is outta Cleveland and heading to New York, the league would love the Knicks to matter, it's all about the benjamins after all Orais.

As for Armagh, we actually win Championships all the time, & ulsters in a decade, One AI and we just got done batin seven shades of brown out of Down, you have to love that. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 12, 2010, 12:08:21 AM
I don't give a shit who wins as long as it goes 7!

Rondo was Larry Legend great the other night.

And here's hoping Le Bron is a Bull this time next year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on May 15, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
The Cavs fucked it up nicely the other night with all those turnovers! Looked like they might pull it back at one stage in the fourth quarter after a couple of nice baskets by LeBron, but then they go and give up 10 points in a row without reply and its game over.

Huge hype here in NY that he will come, especially if they can get Bosh or Wade. Love to see it myself as a Knicks fan, but the sense of entitlement and arrogance here among the sports media would sicken your hole, especially considering the wretched state of the Knicks over the past decade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 15, 2010, 08:10:30 PM
Am on the third decade of the Rosary that he will stay in Cleveland.

Am a tad tiffed at the big markets just using Cleveland as a nursery.  Sabathia, Ramirez, Martinez, Thome jump to mind.  But that's the nature of American pro sports and that's why I love the Gee Aah Ay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 15, 2010, 09:22:43 PM
I take it if Le Bron does not stay in Cleveland he will sign the most lucrative contract in pro sports history?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 15, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 15, 2010, 09:22:43 PM
I take it if Le Bron does not stay in Cleveland he will sign the most lucrative contract in pro sports history?

The cavs can offer him more than anybody else (part of the NBA rules).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 16, 2010, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
The Cavs fucked it up nicely the other night with all those turnovers! Looked like they might pull it back at one stage in the fourth quarter after a couple of nice baskets by LeBron, but then they go and give up 10 points in a row without reply and its game over.

Huge hype here in NY that he will come, especially if they can get Bosh or Wade. Love to see it myself as a Knicks fan, but the sense of entitlement and arrogance here among the sports media would sicken your hole, especially considering the wretched state of the Knicks over the past decade.

If he cares about winning titles the only realistic place for him to go us Chicago, based on the playing personnel already in place. Going to New York puts him on a team with worse teammates than he already has in Cleveland.

With Rose and Noah in Chicago already, plus Luol Deng as a sign and trade chip, allowing Chicago to keep enough cap room to sign a veteran Free Agent like Ray Allen, the Bulls would be a contender instantly (they already pushed last years Celts to the brink).   
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on May 16, 2010, 01:31:51 PM
tony romo came thro pre qualifing for the byron nelson classic last week, shooting a couple of 72's. needs to finish in the top 4 on monday to go thro

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/051510dnosporomogolf.2e71c0c.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 16, 2010, 02:07:49 PM
Anyone watch Cushing's press conference? Dreadful attempt altogether.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on May 26, 2010, 02:17:25 PM
New Giants/Jets stadium gets the Super Bowl (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5219486) in 2014.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 01, 2010, 09:48:21 AM
Chicago Blackhawks lead the Philadelphia Flyers 2-0 in the Stanley cup series.Two close games so far,both teams are well matched.

Looking forward to the Celtics v Lakers,the 2 biggest names in the game going at it for the championship,Lakers out for revenge following their finals defeat 2 seasons ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 01, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
The Cavs fucked it up nicely the other night with all those turnovers! Looked like they might pull it back at one stage in the fourth quarter after a couple of nice baskets by LeBron, but then they go and give up 10 points in a row without reply and its game over.

Huge hype here in NY that he will come, especially if they can get Bosh or Wade. Love to see it myself as a Knicks fan, but the sense of entitlement and arrogance here among the sports media would sicken your hole, especially considering the wretched state of the Knicks over the past decade.

Him and Wade would not work, there is only one ball and ego would taint the team chemistry, there can only be one bull in the barn and James is fond of talking baout his team this and his team that, the fact is he quit on his team in a game they had to have, he is outta Cleveland and it looks like the bulls have a crack at him, he is a tremendous talent but does not at this stage have that killer instinct that Bryant has, or Jordan or Bird had, mentally he is not in the same class as these guys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 01, 2010, 04:48:29 PM
Quote from: stew on June 01, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
The Cavs fucked it up nicely the other night with all those turnovers! Looked like they might pull it back at one stage in the fourth quarter after a couple of nice baskets by LeBron, but then they go and give up 10 points in a row without reply and its game over.

Huge hype here in NY that he will come, especially if they can get Bosh or Wade. Love to see it myself as a Knicks fan, but the sense of entitlement and arrogance here among the sports media would sicken your hole, especially considering the wretched state of the Knicks over the past decade.

Him and Wade would not work, there is only one ball and ego would taint the team chemistry, there can only be one bull in the barn and James is fond of talking baout his team this and his team that, the fact is he quit on his team in a game they had to have, he is outta Cleveland and it looks like the bulls have a crack at him, he is a tremendous talent but does not at this stage have that killer instinct that Bryant has, or Jordan or Bird had, mentally he is not in the same class as these guys.

Agree 100%
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 01, 2010, 05:01:45 PM
Quote from: stew on June 01, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 15, 2010, 07:18:00 PM
The Cavs fucked it up nicely the other night with all those turnovers! Looked like they might pull it back at one stage in the fourth quarter after a couple of nice baskets by LeBron, but then they go and give up 10 points in a row without reply and its game over.

Huge hype here in NY that he will come, especially if they can get Bosh or Wade. Love to see it myself as a Knicks fan, but the sense of entitlement and arrogance here among the sports media would sicken your hole, especially considering the wretched state of the Knicks over the past decade.

Him and Wade would not work, there is only one ball and ego would taint the team chemistry, there can only be one bull in the barn and James is fond of talking baout his team this and his team that, the fact is he quit on his team in a game they had to have, he is outta Cleveland and it looks like the bulls have a crack at him, he is a tremendous talent but does not at this stage have that killer instinct that Bryant has, or Jordan or Bird had, mentally he is not in the same class as these guys.

Thats BS...he has carried the cavs for the last 3 years and him only in his early 20's so i would say that shows there isn't much wrong with him mentally...MVP 2 years in a row had 2 off days in the playoffs and now ppl are questioning him  ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 01, 2010, 05:14:30 PM
 Thats BS...he has carried the cavs for the last 3 years and him only in his early 20's so i would say that shows there isn't much wrong with him mentally...MVP 2 years in a row had 2 off days in the playoffs and now ppl are questioning him  ???
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They question him because he quit, they question him because he sat on his arse on the bench when he should have been out there fighting tooth and nail for every ball, they question him because he showed a lack of character when they needed him  most, thats why they question him, well that and the fact that he loves to be courted and he has got exactly what he wanted all along which is teams scrambling for his signiture.

I think him a marvellous player, he has physical gifts not even Jordan had but here is the thing, Jordan was as sick as a dog in several playoff games the bulls had to have, he manned up and played some of the most intense, focused basketball of him life and he willed them over the finish line, LeBron was healthy as a horse and didnt have it in him to be on the floor the second after he decided they were finished, that is the difference, between the ears he is light years away from the men I mentioned, he has time though but he is closer to thirty than twenty and if he is ever to develop that killer instinct he better develop it now when he joins his new team, dont be surprised if he ends up in Boston, I would love that. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 01, 2010, 09:03:17 PM
Fair enough points but still don't think he quit theres talk of something else going on behind the scenes which will probaly come out if he goes else were...I would hate it if he goes to the Celtics can not stand the celtics or there "big 3" Is there any chance neither them or the Lakers could win it   :P
As a Cavs fan I obviously would rather he stayed but if he does leave then hopefully its New York
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 01, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
First, he is in his early twenties, but we are beginning to see a trend in that players who came straight from High School to the NBA are breaking down at a slightly younger age than otherwise. It appears to be miles on the NBA clock and not age that matters more.

Secondly, if Le Bron really does care about winning over image, etc. the only option is to go to Chicago.

The Bulls have 2 stars who have already proven heir desire to win above all else. As far as playing personnel, and potential playing personnel for next season goes, Chicago is by far the top choice, regardless of the Knicks ability to bring in a second star.

I am beginning to doubt his mental make up though. I think he has a wee bit too much David Robinson/ Doctor J nice guy in him and not enough Larry Bird/ Michael Jordan Serial Killer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 01, 2010, 09:31:42 PM
Mcgrens hes 25...who else came straight out off highschool? Kobe dosen't look like hes breaking down!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 01, 2010, 09:35:10 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 01, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
First, he is in his early twenties, but we are beginning to see a trend in that players who came straight from High School to the NBA are breaking down at a slightly younger age than otherwise. It appears to be miles on the NBA clock and not age that matters more.

He is twenty five, he is 26 On December 30th of this year, he needs to win big starting next season if he is ever to match what Jordan did. He has zero titles at the age of 25, he better pray the Celts take him other wise he will be win ning feck all next year either.

Nah, Chi town would be a great fit for him, instant title winning team if he goes if you ask me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 12:14:39 AM
Kobe at 31 has been slowed by injuries all year. the kind of chronic knocks and aches that other players such as Jordan didnt start to encounter until much later.

Kevin Garnett the very same.

Both came straight in from high school.

Le Bron may only be 25, but he's been in the league 7 years. 7 years in Jordan was beating the Lakers for the title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 02, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
There'll never be another Jordan IMO... Kobe was the closest we're ever likely to see I'd say.
I don't think Le Bron has the required temperament to get there :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 02, 2010, 05:07:02 AM
Mcgrens do you watch the NBA? kobe biggest injury this year was to his pinky finger and certainly hasn't looked like he has slow down watching the playoffs would of shown that
Garnett at 34 is still flying this year after missing most of last year with a knee injury
The reason Jordon and Kobe won so many titles is that they had great players along side them...LeBron dosen't have that..it showed in so many games all year when he was resting that there was nobody else
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 02, 2010, 08:49:27 AM
Who were the great players Jordan had, other than Pippen? He already had 3 or 4 titles before Rodman came (who was strictly a rebounder, not a scorer). Jordan made role players play way above themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 02, 2010, 09:38:40 AM
The reason for the criticism is that recently James has been more Stefan Marbury than Michael Jordan. When the pressure was on players like Isiah Thomas, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Hakeen, all took the responsibility to take their teams forward. Some suceeded, some failed. James didn't even try. He'll learn from it but the mental strength required from the franchise leader consists of more than just called it "my team".

Kobe is an arse but Garnett is a bigger one. Come on Lakers.




LeBron trades one drama for another

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
May 14, 3:24 am EDT

BOSTON – The clock struck midnight, the locker-room door swung open and LeBron James(notes) marched out a liberated man. Out of the playoffs, off the Garden floor, and barely out the tunnel before he ripped off that No. 23 Cleveland Cavaliers jersey on Thursday. As James marched his way toward the interview room, his stable of agents, middlemen and childhood chums had to walk fast to keep up with him. They never do like letting King James out of their sights.

Together, they have big ideas, bigger plans and the biggest agenda this sport's ever seen. The playoffs move on without LBJ, but deep down it reassures him that the Boston Celtics and Orlando Magic will never be as big of a story as the suspense he and his hangers-on will spin together.

"Me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute," James said.

Yes, his team. That's where James' loyalties lie, where together they'll chase the one title he's forever chased: the biggest free agent of his generation.

Together, they're going to hold the NBA hostage. They're going to flush out a thousand scenarios, manipulate front-office decisions in Cleveland, New York, Chicago and beyond. Kentucky's John Calipari is along for the ride, working with agent Leon Rose and middleman William Wesley, and all hell promises to break out now.

The plan they're talking about includes Calipari coming to Cleveland as James' hand-picked coach. "He's got to listen if they come calling," a source close to Calipari told Yahoo! Sports on Thursday night. He was talking about the Cavaliers and Bulls, and Calipari's camp is determined to open bidding to multiple teams.

Together, these narcissists will manufacture a drama that will undermine the conference and NBA Finals, the NBA draft and Fourth of July parades in small towns and big cities across America. James and the Cavs lost Game 6 of the conference semifinals to the Boston Celtics, 94-85, but he hardly seemed devastated in the losing locker room. James had a triple-double that was devalued with nine turnovers. He shot 44 percent for the series, turned the ball over 27 times and behaved like a lousy leader.

Truth be told, James did something no champion would've ever dared: He quit on his teammates in Game 5 and that made it easy for the rest of them – and James – to quit in the final minutes of Game 6. This has been an indictment of the coaching staff and organization, but James, too. Mostly, James. The Cavs have turned out to be a great regular season team unfit for the playoffs, but James was the most responsible for this collapse in the conference semifinals. There was no culprit even a close second.

Still, James will get over it fast because he engages in so little self-examination. In his mind, and that of his cast of sycophants, blame belongs on his coach, Mike Brown, for his lousy adjustments and game plans. It belongs to general manager Danny Ferry for the unworthy teammates. James was no MVP in this series, but no one stays in his employ with impure thoughts of accountability.

The next time you hear James, as the franchise star, say, "This was on me," will be the first. All around James, his yes men never require him to deal in the currency of truth. Aaron Goodwin, his old agent, tried to be honest with him and his high school buddies, and it got him fired five years ago.

James is on the market, a free agent for the ages, and maybe now the kid out of small-town Akron gets to live out his big-city, bright-light dreams. Where next? Oh, James isn't worried about that now. He wants the guessing to continue through July 1 and beyond. He backed over Brown one more time on Thursday night, and Brown's as good as gone as the Cavs' coach. Ferry has been fiercely loyal to Brown, but his mismanagement of matchups and in-game adjustments compounded an earlier playoff exit with a larger payroll and deeper roster.

Brown goes now, and Calipari moves into the forefront of the discussion. James is forever seeking leverage, and hand-picking his own coach with the Cavs could be the most appealing part of staying with them. What James' crew will do is force an NBA market for Calipari that exists in only two scenarios: The promise of keeping James or the promise of luring James away.

For Rose and Wesley to attach the prime years of James' career to Calipari would speak more to an economic power play and monopoly than a functional, workable and winning NBA environment. For some college coaches, talk of them going to the NBA hurts their recruiting. It's just the opposite for Calipari: It isn't those stiff owners and GMs who want Calipari, but King James himself. Calipari tells the kids it's all rumor, except for the part about James, the MVP, wanting him. The Bulls deliver the bonus of Derrick Rose(notes) as the star point guard, and Rose does love his old college coach at Memphis.


Yet, the desperation of Cleveland owner Dan Gilbert makes Calipari's hiring at $5 million-$6 million a genuine possibility, should James simply say the word. Nevertheless, one Eastern Conference executive close to Ferry told Yahoo! Sports this week: "I think Danny would resign before he'd hire Cal."

Ferry understands that it would be a hollow, joyless existence, and he doesn't need the job that badly. He has too much money and too much sense to sign on for more years of being held hostage. Nevertheless, his contract is up, too, and maybe he just walks once James makes his decision. There's a reason Calipari sat courtside with Rose at Tuesday's Game 5 in Cleveland, and it had everything to do with thrusting himself into the Class of 2010 conversation. As narcissists go, Calipari and James probably belong together. It would be a partnership constructed for all the wrong reasons and doomed to spectacular failure.

When it comes to free agency criteria, James insisted late Thursday, "I want to win. ... That's my only thing ... my only concern."

Winning is nice and all, and James will eventually get himself a title or two. He's too talented. At the end of his seventh NBA season, James lost one more chance at it Thursday, and it hardly felt like the end of the world for him. He'll get over it fast because that enormous ego will be nourished with the courtship of his lifetime, his free agency, and perhaps the hardest part will come sometime in July when James has to make a choice, pick a team and play there. Only then, the wooing of LeBron James will be complete and you have to wonder: How will King James ever live without that?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebroncalipari051410
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Quote from: new devil on June 02, 2010, 05:07:02 AM
Mcgrens do you watch the NBA? kobe biggest injury this year was to his pinky finger and certainly hasn't looked like he has slow down watching the playoffs would of shown that
Garnett at 34 is still flying this year after missing most of last year with a knee injury
The reason Jordon and Kobe won so many titles is that they had great players along side them...LeBron dosen't have that..it showed in so many games all year when he was resting that there was nobody else

do I watch the NBA? Religiously.

Kobe has been carrying ankle and knee problems in addition to the broken pinky. He had his knee drained only two weeks ago, late in the Utah series. If you watch him early in the playoffs he was getting to the rim and was unable to finish in the usual way, even his jumper didn't have the same lift from his legs and was a little flat as a result. At one stage he was shooting sub 40%! Since he got the knee drained he's been much better. Since you've been watching the playoffs so closely you'll know that of course. 

Garnett is playing well compared with how he has since his knee reconstruction two years ago, but he will never again be the KG of old.

Other players who came straight from high school to the NBA: T-Mac, Amare Stoudamire, Andrew Bynum, and Jermaine O'Neal. It's practically an NBA All- injury team!

As for being surrounded by great players- who hasn't been? Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate? The point I was making is that saying LBJ is only 25 and has plenty of time is just wrong. He has seven hard years on the clock, at that point MJ had a title. If he makes the wrong decision now and goes to the Knicks, or stays in Cleveland, those two teams could be two years away from a title (NY maybe more!). That would put him 9 years in the league without a win.

Chicago is the only destination if he wants to win things.

As for the mental aspect- 2 regular season MVP's and carrying your team to 60 odd wins mean nothing if you don't do it in the playoffs. The fact remains that he was very poor in the Boston series, game 3 excepted. I'm sure Karl Malone would swap his Regular season MVP award in 1997 for the Finals MVP award that Jordan won against his Jazz that year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate?

Actually, on this point I'll give you Olajuwon in '94, although the Rockets were up against an equally one trick pony dominated Knick team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 02, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate?

Actually, on this point I'll give you Olajuwon in '94, although the Rockets were up against an equally one trick pony dominated Knick team.

People are saying Pippen was great, I think he was excellent but not by any means a great player, Jordan helped him play at a level he was not capable without Jordan, case in point when Jordan retired to play baseball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 02, 2010, 10:56:04 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate?

Actually, on this point I'll give you Olajuwon in '94, although the Rockets were up against an equally one trick pony dominated Knick team.

Clyde Drexler? Or was he after they won in '94? Maybe not "great", but he was very good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 02, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: stew on June 02, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate?

Actually, on this point I'll give you Olajuwon in '94, although the Rockets were up against an equally one trick pony dominated Knick team.

People are saying Pippen was great, I think he was excellent but not by any means a great player, Jordan helped him play at a level he was not capable without Jordan, case in point when Jordan retired to play baseball.

I think everyone knows why Jordan "retired"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 02, 2010, 11:04:40 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 02, 2010, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: stew on June 02, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate?

Actually, on this point I'll give you Olajuwon in '94, although the Rockets were up against an equally one trick pony dominated Knick team.

People are saying Pippen was great, I think he was excellent but not by any means a great player, Jordan helped him play at a level he was not capable without Jordan, case in point when Jordan retired to play baseball.

I think everyone knows why Jordan "retired"

He retired because of his gambling on sports and in all likelihood told to feck off until the heat was off, (allegedly)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 11:11:01 PM
Drexler went to the Rockets in 95.

Pippen was class. The dream team coaches in '92 said he was the best player there other than Jordan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101)

There are great you tube videos to illustrate the point with too.

Bottom line: If , everyday in practice you guarded the best player ever and he guarded you, you'd find it easy going against everyone else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
Quote from: stew on June 02, 2010, 10:28:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 06:22:16 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 10:36:55 AM
Name me one player who won an NBA title in the modern era without a great teammate?

Actually, on this point I'll give you Olajuwon in '94, although the Rockets were up against an equally one trick pony dominated Knick team.

People are saying Pippen was great, I think he was excellent but not by any means a great player, Jordan helped him play at a level he was not capable without Jordan, case in point when Jordan retired to play baseball.

Stew in '94 the Bulls got all the way to game 7 against the Knicks in the East finals, and would have beaten them but for one of the worst foul calls in NBA history.

If they beat the Knicks, then Chicago goes on to beat the Rockets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 02, 2010, 11:15:35 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 11:11:01 PM
Drexler went to the Rockets in 95.

Pippen was class. The dream team coaches in '92 said he was the best player there other than Jordan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101)

There are great you tube videos to illustrate the point with too.

Bottom line: If , everyday in practice you guarded the best player ever and he guarded you, you'd find it easy going against everyone else.

Thats true mcGrens, I will give you that but the difference is Jordan made Pippen better just by being there and the Bulls did feck all when he left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: stew on June 02, 2010, 11:15:35 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 11:11:01 PM
Drexler went to the Rockets in 95.

Pippen was class. The dream team coaches in '92 said he was the best player there other than Jordan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101)

There are great you tube videos to illustrate the point with too.

Bottom line: If , everyday in practice you guarded the best player ever and he guarded you, you'd find it easy going against everyone else.

Thats true mcGrens, I will give you that but the difference is Jordan made Pippen better just by being there and the Bulls did feck all when he left.

Don't forget Michael didn't win a title without Scottie either! Read Simmons' article. Pippen was pretty much the perfect basketball player as far as I'm concerned. Perpetual, graceful motion, light on his feet, fluid, athletically extremely efficient, THE great shutdown defender (ask Magic), and perfectly capable of taking over a game offensively too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 02, 2010, 11:34:18 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tObgS6uUVjQ&feature=youtube_gdata (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tObgS6uUVjQ&feature=youtube_gdata)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 03, 2010, 02:26:23 AM
Unreal scenes in Detroit were one of the Tigers pitchers has just been denied a complete game in the final out by a terrible and wrong umpire call.  This will cause big scene. Think the lad pitching is only 20/21 years of age.  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2010, 04:26:54 AM
Not just a complete game - a PERFECT game.

Easily the worst sports decision I've ever seen - it's up there with Henry's handball
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 03, 2010, 05:14:42 AM
Sorry perfect i meant.  Terrible decision.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2010, 12:22:43 PM
Ken Griffey Jr. announces retirement.

No accusations ever levelled against him as far as I know. For baseball's sake, this needs to stay the same way in the coming years!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2010, 05:20:27 PM
who knows what he could have hit if he was healthy the whole time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 03, 2010, 08:21:10 PM
Pippen was the best defensive player I have ever seen and he could turn it on offensively too and change a game.
Jordan was and still is the best there was IMO.  His all round game was fantastic and offensively he still could not be stopped by Pippen.
Try to watch Jordan coming out of retirement (15 months off from the game) to play in a Scottie Pippen charity game (can't remember what it was for). Fantastic battle and Jordan dominated - joy to watch.

Looking forward to Game 1 tonight.
Lets go Boston!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 03, 2010, 11:37:49 PM
Really dislike both teams.Lets go........the cheerleaders  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gerry on June 04, 2010, 02:03:25 AM
Listening to the radio tonight and you lads taken this perfect game to serious
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 04, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 03, 2010, 08:21:10 PM
Pippen was the best defensive player I have ever seen and he could turn it on offensively too and change a game.
Jordan was and still is the best there was IMO.  His all round game was fantastic and offensively he still could not be stopped by Pippen.
Try to watch Jordan coming out of retirement (15 months off from the game) to play in a Scottie Pippen charity game (can't remember what it was for). Fantastic battle and Jordan dominated - joy to watch.

Looking forward to Game 1 tonight.
Lets go Boston!!!

Haha - Kobe=Stud.

Lakers in 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 04, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Quote from: gerry on June 04, 2010, 02:03:25 AM
Listening to the radio tonight and you lads taken this perfect game to serious

too serious??? it's only happened 20 times in over 100 years - it's one of the rarest things in sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 04, 2010, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 04, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Quote from: gerry on June 04, 2010, 02:03:25 AM
Listening to the radio tonight and you lads taken this perfect game to serious

too serious??? it's only happened 20 times in over 100 years - it's one of the rarest things in sports

Not even close, Fermanagh winning the Ulster is far more rare than that. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 04, 2010, 10:43:26 PM
Quote from: gerry on June 04, 2010, 02:03:25 AM
Listening to the radio tonight and you lads taken this perfect game to serious

your wrong there, its a huge achievement...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on June 04, 2010, 10:44:20 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 03, 2010, 02:26:23 AM
Unreal scenes in Detroit were one of the Tigers pitchers has just been denied a complete game in the final out by a terrible and wrong umpire call.  This will cause big scene. Think the lad pitching is only 20/21 years of age.  :o

any link to that carmen?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 05, 2010, 08:50:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tse_-5tonsY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tse_-5tonsY)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 07, 2010, 04:15:10 PM
HUGE games from Rondo and Jesus Shuttlesworth last night. 1-1, this could go 7 very easily, I see the teams coming back to LA with Boston up 3-2.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 07, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
Jesus couldnt miss yesterday- 8 threes unreal.

when Kobe mad the steal and the three at the end of the half I thought that LA would pull away, but no, great game great series...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 07, 2010, 04:42:38 PM
Huge win for the Celtics especially after their game 1 performance when the Lakers ran over the top of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 07, 2010, 04:46:15 PM
If Boston wins game five it is over, Boston are the better team I think, Pirece and garnett had stinkers by their standards and Rondo and Ray Allen were sublime, Boston are smart and they have one of the  best players the NBA has ever seen in  ability to find an open spot on the  floor in Allen, Miller was brilliant but Allen is even better than the knick killer in that regard.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 07, 2010, 04:59:20 PM
Celtics and Allen in particular were a class act last night. In fairness I did think that the Lakers were going to steel it at the end but Boston pulled away with a well deserved win.  Great series so far. Loving it.
Made up for Armagh's poor performance at the weekend - at least one of my teams got a result!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 07, 2010, 05:39:52 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 07, 2010, 04:59:20 PM
Celtics and Allen in particular were a class act last night. In fairness I did think that the Lakers were going to steel it at the end but Boston pulled away with a well deserved win.  Great series so far. Loving it.
Made up for Armagh's poor performance at the weekend - at least one of my teams got a result!

I thought Rondo was just as big as Allen, he is a fantastic point guard, he is incredibly quick and he has as almost as many triple doubles in post season play as he does in regular seaon play, that is an incredible stat as the regular season has 82 games in it.

The big three wanted him traded last year, he is the future of the franchise and they now realise they were dead wrong, probably why players need to leave personnel decisions to the coaches and GM's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 07, 2010, 05:50:00 PM
great piece on rondo from SI couple of weeks back
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169989/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1169989/index.htm)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 09, 2010, 05:18:33 AM
Some attrocious calls going against Boston here >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 09, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
It was a rough game but if Allen decides to show up on Thursday night Boston can level it again and go on to win this in LA.
Garrett had a fantastic game but Kobe was on form as usual (3Q's at least) and Fischer (sp) really stepped up for the Lakers in Q4 and made it happen.
Boston was there or there abouts most of the game but when Allen missed the 3 with a minute and half to go when the game was 85 - 80 (approx) it was all over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 09, 2010, 07:22:15 PM
Allen went from one of the greatest shooting displays in finals history (8 three pointers) to one of the worst (going 0 from 13).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 09, 2010, 07:52:51 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 09, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
It was a rough game but if Allen decides to show up on Thursday night Boston can level it again and go on to win this in LA.
Garrett had a fantastic game but Kobe was on form as usual (3Q's at least) and Fischer (sp) really stepped up for the Lakers in Q4 and made it happen.
Boston was there or there abouts most of the game but when Allen missed the 3 with a minute and half to go when the game was 85 - 80 (approx) it was all over.
Very strange game in that as poor as Boston were..they could have easily won it,
Don't think that bodes well for the Lakers.
Kobe is some yoke though!! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 09, 2010, 08:34:07 PM
Fisher was the star last night- he really really stood up and you could see what it meant to him at the end when he was being interviewed. He was struggling!

Boston were playing to the crowd for the first few minutes but the lakers took that time out and by the time I got from one pub to the next they were 13-14 points up.

Boston in fairness clawed that lead back, but the lakers just did what needed to be done to close out the game.

The lakers will be fine come game 5... :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 10, 2010, 08:54:05 AM
Blackhawks have won their first Stanley cup since 1961.Some turnaround for a club that just a few years ago was playing in front of crowds of 7,000 at the United Center.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 10, 2010, 11:36:24 AM
Quote from: stew on June 07, 2010, 04:46:15 PM
If Boston wins game five it is over, Boston are the better team I think, Pirece and garnett had stinkers by their standards and Rondo and Ray Allen were sublime, Boston are smart and they have one of the  best players the NBA has ever seen in  ability to find an open spot on the  floor in Allen, Miller was brilliant but Allen is even better than the knick killer in that regard.

Ah now I know you are joking here. Allen in the same breath as Miller? Not a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 10, 2010, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on June 10, 2010, 11:36:24 AM
Quote from: stew on June 07, 2010, 04:46:15 PM
If Boston wins game five it is over, Boston are the better team I think, Pirece and garnett had stinkers by their standards and Rondo and Ray Allen were sublime, Boston are smart and they have one of the  best players the NBA has ever seen in  ability to find an open spot on the  floor in Allen, Miller was brilliant but Allen is even better than the knick killer in that regard.

Ah now I know you are joking here. Allen in the same breath as Miller? Not a chance.

Allen is a sure fire hall of famer, Miller is in the Hall so yes they should be mentioned in the same breath, last time I checked Allen had the most three's ever in NBA finals history and the line has been moved back since Reggies heyday.

Miller was absolutely deadly, dont get me wrong but Ray Allen is a tremendous 3 point shooter as was Miller, both are great but I would say Allen was better at finding the open spot on the floor than was Miller.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on June 10, 2010, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on June 10, 2010, 08:54:05 AM
Blackhawks have won their first Stanley cup since 1961.Some turnaround for a club that just a few years ago was playing in front of crowds of 7,000 at the United Center.

Saw them play in Chicago years ago. Place was half empty even though it was a 'local' derby with Detroit(I think ?)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 14, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
Lads anybody know where I can play hoops in Dublin?

I havent played in 5 or 6 years, and I'm not after a club, just a pick up game once a week or so...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on June 14, 2010, 10:28:54 PM
Figure this is the place to post this ... headed over sometime this summer or fall, possibly. Any pubs in Belfast specifically that will cater to the American sport fan? Not planning on being holed up in there too much, just will probably want a baseball or college football fix at some point on the journey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 14, 2010, 11:05:31 PM
isn't there a place in the Odyssey?

http://www.rockiessportsbar.com/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 15, 2010, 07:55:02 AM
Quote from: muppet on June 10, 2010, 06:27:22 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on June 10, 2010, 08:54:05 AM
Blackhawks have won their first Stanley cup since 1961.Some turnaround for a club that just a few years ago was playing in front of crowds of 7,000 at the United Center.

Saw them play in Chicago years ago. Place was half empty even though it was a 'local' derby with Detroit(I think ?)

I have been going to the games since I was 8 months old and the place has always been half full ;)

About 7 years ago you could here a guy talking in the stands behind one net if you were behind the other,  my how times change when a team is winning.

But what a great series, playoffs and season. The hardest championship to win in all pro sports.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 15, 2010, 10:10:05 PM
Big Big game tonight for the Lakers. They badly need someone other than Kobe to step up their game and be influential. It needs to happen early and Kobe needs to see it - otherwise he will shoot 34 again, win the MVP and lose the series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 15, 2010, 10:39:40 PM
Rondo in with a big shout if the Celtics win it..nice to see it go to a game 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 15, 2010, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 14, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
Lads anybody know where I can play hoops in Dublin?

I havent played in 5 or 6 years, and I'm not after a club, just a pick up game once a week or so...

Check out the bball section on boards. Loads of pickup games being organised in Dublin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 16, 2010, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on June 15, 2010, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 14, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
Lads anybody know where I can play hoops in Dublin?

I havent played in 5 or 6 years, and I'm not after a club, just a pick up game once a week or so...

Check out the bball section on boards. Loads of pickup games being organised in Dublin.

Had a look there- nice one!

Do you go? If so which would you recommend from Mon-Thursday considering it'll take me a wee while to get re-acclimated?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 16, 2010, 10:38:56 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 16, 2010, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: RMDrive on June 15, 2010, 10:41:45 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on June 14, 2010, 02:02:39 AM
Lads anybody know where I can play hoops in Dublin?

I havent played in 5 or 6 years, and I'm not after a club, just a pick up game once a week or so...

Check out the bball section on boards. Loads of pickup games being organised in Dublin.

Had a look there- nice one!

Do you go? If so which would you recommend from Mon-Thursday considering it'll take me a wee while to get re-acclimated?

I'm in a bball-free zone in Mayo unfortunately so can't offer any suggestions. I'm sure there will be players of all abilities at most of the games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 16, 2010, 08:11:26 PM
Heard a report that 60% of NBA players are broke after 5 years of leaving the game, 75% of NFL players are broke just 2 years after leaving the game. Pretty shocking statistics.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 16, 2010, 08:29:33 PM
Where'd you hear that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 16, 2010, 08:52:49 PM
Yea sounds pretty strange...what like because off drugs/alcohol?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 16, 2010, 08:58:22 PM
Quote from: new devil on June 16, 2010, 08:52:49 PM
Yea sounds pretty strange...what like because off drugs/alcohol?

Some of it yeah, they are very careless with their money and they dont take the advice given out about the leagues, you have eejits like pac man jones who once spent twenty three grand in a strip club in seven hours (allegedly) that is just a ridiculous amount of money to spend on strippers in a lifetime let alone one evening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 16, 2010, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 16, 2010, 08:11:26 PM
Heard a report that 60% of NBA players are broke after 5 years of leaving the game, 75% of NFL players are broke just 2 years after leaving the game. Pretty shocking statistics.

I could well believe it, very few are on Peyton Manning money. An NFL career at certain positions would be no longer than four years. The numbers would be slightly skewed, in the case of NFL players anyway, by the amount of players on an NFL roster that would be o the low end of the salary scale. Another factor I would say is the racial makeup of the two sports, predominantly black, moat likely from poor backgrounds making bad decisions with their money and plenty of old chums to help them spend it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 16, 2010, 09:06:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 16, 2010, 08:59:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 16, 2010, 08:11:26 PM
Heard a report that 60% of NBA players are broke after 5 years of leaving the game, 75% of NFL players are broke just 2 years after leaving the game. Pretty shocking statistics.

I could well believe it, very few are on Peyton Manning money. An NFL career at certain positions would be no longer than four years. The numbers would be slightly skewed, in the case of NFL players anyway, by the amount of players on an NFL roster that would be o the low end of the salary scale. Another factor I would say is the racial makeup of the two sports, predominantly black, moat likely from poor backgrounds making bad decisions with their money and plenty of old chums to help them spend it.

Yea that would be the biggest cause off it alright
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on June 16, 2010, 09:25:27 PM
It is not at all like premier league pay. The money is not guaranteed on a weekly basis, it is often done on a pay as you play basis. If you dont play you don't get paid. No Carlton Cole characters sitting on the bench at the Dallas Cowboys getting full pay.

So essentially that means if your career ends, your career has failed, you haven't been playing for the last couple of years or at all and you haven't been earning big money.

They are also incredibly foolish with their money. They are young guys and to be perfectly honest a lot are complete meatheads. They would make John Terry blush with some of their carry on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 16, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
Another problem they have is they do not get paid every month or week of the year like anyone else. Their salary is pro rated for the length of the 17 week season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on June 16, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
So nobody gets paid in the offseason??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 16, 2010, 09:42:29 PM
Quote from: new devil on June 16, 2010, 09:36:20 PM
So nobody gets paid in the offseason??

No, but obviously if they are on $4m a year they get it all during the season so you would need to put some aside for the rest of the year..............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 17, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Tis very quiet here what with a game 7 staring us in the face...Celtics to bounce back :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 17, 2010, 05:49:25 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on June 17, 2010, 05:47:56 PM
Tis very quiet here what with a game 7 staring us in the face...Celtics to bounce back :)

Its true what they say about you on here TO - You ARE crazy! ;)

Lakers to take it home tonight. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 17, 2010, 05:55:03 PM
Lakers 7 point favorites too... might be worth a few $$ not to cover 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 17, 2010, 05:57:24 PM
I dont think that would come in. What are they at half time? Had a few bucks on them in game 6 to cover -4 at half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 17, 2010, 05:59:22 PM
No Idea...just heard the 7 point favorites on the radio this morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 17, 2010, 10:38:32 PM
Lakers are the logical choice here, but something in the back of my head keeps whispering "Celtics".

I'm taking Boston's superior heart to win out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 17, 2010, 10:45:48 PM
I've backed the wrong team every game this series except Game 6 - so I'm going for 2 in a row

Lakers to take it  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 18, 2010, 04:26:09 AM
Its a low scoring game - but by fcuk it's a cracker
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on June 18, 2010, 05:42:14 AM
Big baby's having a stormer :o...too bad Allen didn't
Come out to play :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on June 18, 2010, 09:39:12 AM
That was class. My favourite two words in Basketball: Game Seven.

Look again how close Rondo was to making that steal with 13.5 secs left, the margins are so slim in a good seven game series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 18, 2010, 09:44:47 AM
I know its a few pages back but I heard those statistics on an NFL radio show.

I think another big factor for NFL players is medical bills. I've heard quite a few stories of players who have to spend over $100,000 a year on medical bills, i.e. treatment, surgery, medication(mostly painkillers).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 18, 2010, 01:45:14 PM
A sad end to the Series for Celtics fans but a great defensive display by both teams and one of the most exciting series in years IMO.
The Lakers won the game last night deservedly with Kobe taking a back seat on the scoreboard but making a ridiculous amount of rebounds  -15!!! Some great use of the clock and awareness displayed by the Lakers in the last few minutes.

For me the deciding factor in the series was Ray Allen.  He showed up to play only one game out of seven.  Losing Perkins was a big blow to the Celtics also but the majority of them can hold their heads up high after a memorable year.

Rhondo was the standout on the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 18, 2010, 02:33:44 PM
Thought Artest was the standout player last night and has played well throughout the playoffs, tough as nails and came up with some great baskets last night.
Agree that Perkins was a big loss but Rasheed played well in his place, but they then missed him coming off the bench.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 18, 2010, 05:41:25 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 18, 2010, 02:33:44 PM
Thought Artest was the standout player last night and has played well throughout the playoffs, tough as nails and came up with some great baskets last night.
Agree that Perkins was a big loss but Rasheed played well in his place, but they then missed him coming off the bench.

Feckit anyway. Bryant is brilliant and that was a great defensive game up until the last six minutes, some unbelievable baskets made down the stretch, compelling viewing altogether, this series has made the NBA relevant again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 18, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 18, 2010, 02:33:44 PM
Thought Artest was the standout player last night and has played well throughout the playoffs, tough as nails and came up with some great baskets last night. Agree that Perkins was a big loss but Rasheed played well in his place, but they then missed him coming off the bench.

By a country mile!

Did you hear him thanking his psychiatrist? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on June 19, 2010, 07:13:32 AM
In America everybody has a shrink.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 19, 2010, 03:02:10 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on June 18, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 18, 2010, 02:33:44 PM
Thought Artest was the standout player last night and has played well throughout the playoffs, tough as nails and came up with some great baskets last night. Agree that Perkins was a big loss but Rasheed played well in his place, but they then missed him coming off the bench.

By a country mile!

Did you hear him thanking his psychiatrist? :D

Yeah, it all seemed a bit much for him  :D
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMCeZK3OiKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMCeZK3OiKM)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 30, 2010, 06:33:27 PM
Tonights the big night for the NBA free agents.  Le Bron, Wade and Bosh have all been mentioned going to Miami together, but cant see it.
Can see Le Bron either staying in Cleveland or going to Chicago, would love if he chose the Knicks but they will have to be happy with Stoudimire and Johnson and make ago for Anthony or Chris Paul next year.
Wade will stay in Miami and Bosh will join him in Miami or he will go join Le bron.
In fairness anything could happen, and the money that is going to be spent on the top 5 or 6 is going to be crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 30, 2010, 06:56:42 PM
Read yesterday that Mark Brunell is bankrupt, and has made close to $50m in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 08, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
Bill Simmon echoing my thoughts ontonights Le Bron decision almost exactly...

What should LeBron do? Pick Chicago. That's where the rings are. The fact that he didn't say to Bosh, "Come to Chicago with me, we'll play with Rose and Noah and win six titles together" was the single most disappointing outcome of the summer. That team would have been a true juggernaut with pieces that actually complemented each other, unlike this pickup-basketball situation that's brewing in Miami. Even with Boozer there in Bosh's place -- and I think he's a great fit for them, with or without LeBron -- it could still translate to multiple titles, because Rose could have been the best second banana since Kobe in 2001.

Just know that Kobe would have caught a whiff of those rings and gone to Chicago. Same with Jordan. Same with Magic and Bird. Chicago had the biggest competitive advantage of anyone: room for two max guys along with an under-23 franchise point guard and one of the only elite defender/rebounder big men in basketball. How can you care about winning and NOT go to Chicago?
I need to make that point a second time: How can you care about winning and NOT go to Chicago? Unless ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mannix on July 08, 2010, 04:35:42 PM
was chatting with a new yorker yesterday, he wants lebron in the garden but reckons he could flop because ny media are savages and one poor game can start it all. Randy the baseball player with the yankees was his example. Reckon lebron will stay in cleveland myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 08, 2010, 06:05:19 PM
Randy Johnson? Randy Johnson was coming near the end anyway when he went to NY, and when a pitcher who's main pitch is a 99 mph fastball, and a brutal slider starts losing mph, then he just becomes another guy.

Johnson wouldn't be a great example. Mark Sanchez and Eli Manning would be better examples. LeBron James should be in his element.

I think that's a myth put out by the NY media themselves in this case, and the people of NY are picking up on it. Le Bron could only pick somewhere else because he's afraid of the media. Can't be because the Knicks are shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 08, 2010, 11:07:54 PM
One hour special tonight for Le Brons decision live on ESPN.  All sponsership and advertisement money going to the Boys and Girls club of America.
Early reports saying he is joining Miami, but interesting the boys and girls club he chose for the show tonight is fifteen minute drive from NY Knicks training facilities!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 09, 2010, 12:10:29 AM
I think he's ripping the piss here. Not only the show tonight but in the last two days he's launched his own website and started z twitter account calling himself @KingJames.

I'm not gonna lie, I'm disappointed.

Unless he goes to Chicago :-D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on July 09, 2010, 02:30:09 AM
Lebron goes to the Miami Heat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 09, 2010, 05:56:16 AM
He's just become one of the most hated men in America right now.

Classless isn't even the word for it - you have to feel sorry for Cavaliers fans
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 09, 2010, 07:13:38 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 09, 2010, 05:56:16 AM
He's just become one of the most hated men in America right now.

Classless isn't even the word for it - you have to feel sorry for Cavaliers fans
Why do you say that Gab? I have only been half following this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 09, 2010, 08:07:35 AM
The single coldest act I've ever seen.

I don't think this Miami experiment is going to work anyway, but just to clarify- I hope to God the p***k never wins a title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 09, 2010, 08:10:24 AM
Minder, go to ESPN page 2 and read Bill Simmons' article " The Le Bronocalyse". Gives most of the background.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on July 09, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James"

Leaving aside the annoying talking-about-myself-in-the-third-party thing, I think this sums the man up. Him and his "team" (i.e. the crowd of high-school ego-boosters that he keeps around him) personify the generation of crass self-centred sports people that exist today. LBJ doesn't want to win, he wants to be the centre of attention. What he really needs is for someone to put him on the naughty-step and ignore him till he starts behaving.

ABM for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 09, 2010, 01:47:06 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on July 09, 2010, 12:05:16 PM
"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James"

Leaving aside the annoying talking-about-myself-in-the-third-party thing, I think this sums the man up. Him and his "team" (i.e. the crowd of high-school ego-boosters that he keeps around him) personify the generation of crass self-centred sports people that exist today. LBJ doesn't want to win, he wants to be the centre of attention. What he really needs is for someone to put him on the naughty-step and ignore him till he starts behaving.

ABM for me.

And as I said last night on here what was best for Le Bron James from a basketball and winning rings point of view was Chicago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mannix on July 09, 2010, 02:59:24 PM
would you have stayed in cleveland? of course not, they are not going to be winning a title anytime soon with or without him.Miami is where the power is now and kobe bryant may not see another title for a while. I actually think lebron is an ok kind of fella, tough spot he was in and he only done what the rest of us would have done, unless he wanted  be an eternal bridesmaid and moral victory specialist, he has done the right thing to be a champion.
come on miami.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on July 09, 2010, 03:16:06 PM
Still seething.  Too angry to form even one lucid thought.

I despise not only what he did but the way he did it. 

Mannix, your throwaway comment about Cleveland is cheap. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2010, 03:24:27 PM
The owner of the Cavs isn't too happy anyway. ;D

QuoteOpen Letter to Fans from Cavaliers Majority Owner Dan Gilbert

Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER 'KING' WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but that's simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day....

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue....


Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on July 09, 2010, 03:33:41 PM
Don't know enough about this really but why the vitriol from the Cleveland owner? Is James not entitled to play wherever he wants to when his contract finished with them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on July 09, 2010, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: mannix on July 09, 2010, 02:59:24 PM
would you have stayed in cleveland? of course not, they are not going to be winning a title anytime soon with or without him.Miami is where the power is now and kobe bryant may not see another title for a while. I actually think lebron is an ok kind of fella, tough spot he was in and he only done what the rest of us would have done, unless he wanted  be an eternal bridesmaid and moral victory specialist, he has done the right thing to be a champion.
come on miami.

It's not about where he has gone, it's the circus that he demanded this summer in order to prop up his ego. A winner would have quietly made his announcement, given respect and credit to his former team, team-mates and city, then moved to Miami and got on with the job. Instead we got a "look at me, I'm doing something" routine that a two year old would have been proud of.

Quote from: Oraisteach on July 09, 2010, 03:16:06 PM
Still seething.  Too angry to form even one lucid thought.

I despise not only what he did but the way he did it. 
Mannix, your throwaway comment about Cleveland is cheap.

Exactly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on July 09, 2010, 07:33:25 PM
The wife is delighted with Le Bron coming to Miami she reckons "we might win a Super Bowl now"  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mannix on July 09, 2010, 08:40:01 PM
throw away comment or not, he was with cleveland for seven years and still won  nothing. at least where he is gone now he will win and the clevelland owner talking crap about cleveland winning before miami, well what were you doing for the last 7 years?
James certainly created a circus about this whole affair, which is fine because thats what makes the money to pay him 20 mill a year plus he is one of 2 or 3 that can play at that level every day. Cleveland will not win much soon, of that I AM sure, who will they bring in? Miami and Boston rule the eastern roost now. The papers in nyc have headlines like "we don't need him because we are the best city in the world", a bit like cleveland but at least the yankees 200 million payroll keeps them ticking over for a winning team of some sort.
Incidentally, Cleveland was a big center of emigration for Mayo people over the last 150 years or so. Maybe before Lebron retires he could come and play midfield for us, like the Cavs we need help and badly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on July 10, 2010, 02:59:12 AM
Mannix, as a Mayo man, how would you like it if Padden said "Feck Mayo" I'm away off to join Colm Cooper and Mattie Ford on the Galway team.  That's the feeling in Cleveland today.  The jerk has the words "loyalty" and the Akron/Cleveland area phone number tattooed on his torso.  His whole life he has professed his commitment to the area, so you can understand the betrayal we feel.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 10, 2010, 10:40:43 AM
Oraisteach, Cleveland must have been living in cloud cookoo land if anyone really thought LeBron was always going to remain there. It was never going to happen.

The media circus in miami today was one of the most crazy and cringeworthy things I ever laid eyes on. The city were presented with the "three kings", who in turn were presented with the keys of the city.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on July 10, 2010, 10:45:08 AM
Who is the 3 kings???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 10, 2010, 10:48:31 AM
Chris Bosh, LeBron James, and Ddddddddddddddddddddddd WAAAAAAAADE.

Thats how the announcer said it;
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on July 10, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
I feel sorry for Cleveland at least they care about their sports, Miami is not a great sports town as compared to other major cities like NYC or Boston. The only sport that is really popular down here is football and even then they have trouble filling the stadium, lots of bandwagon jumpers down here so the Heat and Le Bron will be popular as long as they are winning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on July 10, 2010, 03:42:39 PM
Spent a summer working in Cleveland as a teenager and must say I loved it.

What's a LeBron?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:11:33 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 10, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
I feel sorry for Cleveland at least they care about their sports, Miami is not a great sports town as compared to other major cities like NYC or Boston. The only sport that is really popular down here is football and even then they have trouble filling the stadium, lots of bandwagon jumpers down here so the Heat and Le Bron will be popular as long as they are winning.

That's why I feel bad for Cleveland. It's a real working class city and they love their sports teams whether it be the Browns or the Cavs. And Lebron is one of them which makes it even worse. Miami will only get interested if they look like winning a championship.

That said the Cavs had 7 years to build a championship team around Lebron and they couldn't do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 11, 2010, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on July 11, 2010, 03:11:33 AM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on July 10, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
I feel sorry for Cleveland at least they care about their sports, Miami is not a great sports town as compared to other major cities like NYC or Boston. The only sport that is really popular down here is football and even then they have trouble filling the stadium, lots of bandwagon jumpers down here so the Heat and Le Bron will be popular as long as they are winning.

That's why I feel bad for Cleveland. It's a real working class city and they love their sports teams whether it be the Browns or the Cavs. And Lebron is one of them which makes it even worse. Miami will only get interested if they look like winning a championship.

That said the Cavs had 7 years to build a championship team around Lebron and they couldn't do it.

Maybe hes not as good as we think.  If he wanted to be great and be mentioned along with Jordon, Johnson,Bryant, surely the way to do it was to lead his own team to a title/titles.  He took the easy way out choosing to join Miami for a quick fix.  Its also cover for him if they dont win, Wade and Bosh will take the blame aswell. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on July 11, 2010, 05:02:04 PM
Quote
Maybe hes not as good as we think.  If he wanted to be great and be mentioned along with Jordon, Johnson,Bryant, surely the way to do it was to lead his own team to a title/titles.

My thoughts exactly...although Miami have to be fancied from here on for a while.
James will never be Kobe let alone Jordan IMO.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on July 12, 2010, 03:53:15 AM
LeBron is worried about his legacy, but by going to Miami he has turned himself not into Michael Jordan but into Scottie Pippen, a very talented sidekick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 13, 2010, 04:11:58 PM
New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner passed away this morning.

He suffered a heart attack late last night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 13, 2010, 04:12:47 PM
Holy shit. That man has left some legacy in New York, even though he was very unpopular.

RIP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on July 13, 2010, 05:39:52 PM
Lads, im looking to go to the 49ers v broncos game in wembley. Does anyone know would there be still tickets available? If so any sites? Im probably to late in looking but last year if i remember the pats and bucs didnt quite fill wembley.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on July 13, 2010, 06:02:37 PM
There will be a small number of tickets released on general sale in September.Try registering on nfluk or ticketmaster.Most of the good tickets will be away,the ones available in September are normally for the lower endzones but they are considerably cheaper.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on July 13, 2010, 06:19:18 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on July 13, 2010, 06:02:37 PM
There will be a small number of tickets released on general sale in September.Try registering on nfluk or ticketmaster.Most of the good tickets will be away,the ones available in September are normally for the lower endzones but they are considerably cheaper.

Cheers Rossa. Wouldnt mind where i was sitting as long as i got there!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on July 13, 2010, 06:23:19 PM
For people that booked their tickets earlier this year does anyone know when exactly Ticketmaster normally posts them out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on July 13, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on July 13, 2010, 06:23:19 PM
For people that booked their tickets earlier this year does anyone know when exactly Ticketmaster normally posts them out?

Just read there no less than 7 days before the event!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magickingdom on July 13, 2010, 07:24:03 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 13, 2010, 04:11:58 PM
New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner passed away this morning.

He suffered a heart attack late last night

as az said holy shit, shocked i didnt hear that till now. ive spent a fair amount of time bitching about him but ill shut up now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on July 13, 2010, 07:40:08 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 13, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on July 13, 2010, 06:23:19 PM
For people that booked their tickets earlier this year does anyone know when exactly Ticketmaster normally posts them out?

Just read there no less than 7 days before the event!

Thanks anport.  The quicker I get the tickets in my hands the happier I'll be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on July 17, 2010, 05:36:25 PM
For the New York/New Jersey posters....Notre Dame are playing Navy in Giants stadium at the end off October and playing Army in Yankee stadium some time in November...tickets available on stubhub 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 17, 2010, 11:56:03 PM
Green Bay Packers Defensive Tackle John Jolly has been suspended for the year for violating the leagues substance abuse policy. He is also facing charges of supplying drugs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 19, 2010, 05:57:32 PM
What about this story about Delonte West being nobbing Le Brons ma?

Certainly explains his distracted performance versus Boston!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on July 19, 2010, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 17, 2010, 11:56:03 PM
Green Bay Packers Defensive Tackle John Jolly has been suspended for the year for violating the leagues substance abuse policy. He is also facing charges of supplying drugs.

He is a tube of the highest order, the world at his feet, a stellar career ahead of him and he gets busted for selling prescription drugs as well as weed and coke.

It is possible he will get 20 years, he has already played the race card and if true I hope they put him away for a few years, drug dealers are scum.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 19, 2010, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on July 19, 2010, 05:57:32 PM
What about this story about Delonte West being nobbing Le Brons ma?

Certainly explains his distracted performance versus Boston!

Would yous?

(http://www.showbizgossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gloria-james.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 19, 2010, 09:39:21 PM
I like a nice mature lady, but that does not work for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 19, 2010, 09:56:25 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on July 19, 2010, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on July 19, 2010, 05:57:32 PM
What about this story about Delonte West being nobbing Le Brons ma?

Certainly explains his distracted performance versus Boston!

Would yous?

(http://www.showbizgossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gloria-james.jpg)

Firm no. For either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on July 19, 2010, 10:17:46 PM
Same as, couldnt beleive it when i seen her.  Delonte is no oil painting himself but surely with all his millions he could do better than Gloria.
New York Post should run with the story soon enough, especially after LBJ turning down the Knicks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 04:59:52 PM
Stew should be along this evening, so I thought I'd get this here first.

Cue the Queens will win nothing, Favre is a joke and so on and so forth. In fairness he is some attention seeking hoor :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5433551&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5433551&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on August 03, 2010, 06:38:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 03, 2010, 04:59:52 PM
Stew should be along this evening, so I thought I'd get this here first.
Cue the Queens will win nothing, Favre is a joke and so on and so forth. In fairness he is some attention seeking hoor :D
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5433551&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5433551&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

I wonder what the NFL record is for most consecutive seasons announcing your retirement?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 03, 2010, 06:51:22 PM
Wake me up when the Vikes first game starts and he's not under centre. Until then I'm believing nothing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 03, 2010, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on August 03, 2010, 06:51:22 PM
Wake me up when the Vikes first game starts and he's not under centre. Until then I'm believing nothing.

Actually, I just checked, the Vikes bye is week 4. I'll believe nothing until the start of week 5's Vikes game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 04, 2010, 12:08:18 AM
Seen on a cleveland fans site.


"Lebron may have gone south but his mother is still riding west" ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on August 04, 2010, 12:55:39 AM
Albert Haynesworth still hasnt passed his conditioning test to be allowed start practice with the Redskins.
Haynesworth is supposedly 30 pounds lighter and in great shape.
I think its a bit petty of Shanahan not allowing him to practise without passing whats supposed to be a tough test for non line-men never mind a 330 pounder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on August 04, 2010, 01:18:45 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on August 04, 2010, 12:55:39 AM
I think its a bit petty of Shanahan not allowing him to practise without passing whats supposed to be a tough test for non line-men never mind a 330 pounder.

It's also petty for Haynesworth to now pretend his knee is hurt when he can't pass the test.

He showed up the coach a fair bit in the offseason... not saying Shanahan isn't going overboard, but Haynesworth should have expected this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 04, 2010, 10:53:27 AM
Haynesworth is a professional athlete on a $100 million contract, and he can't run a 300m shuttle in 70 secs. Mike Golic is a 48 year old ex pro-football player, and he did it live on Mike&Mike on ESPN the other day.

Nuff said. I don't Shanahan is being that unreasonable.

As for the sore knee, I was out of shape until a couple months ago I started going to the gym regularly, and I can tell you my knee and ankles were sore and a little swollen when I first started back.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 04, 2010, 10:59:03 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on August 04, 2010, 10:53:27 AM
Haynesworth is a professional athlete on a $100 million contract, and he can't run a 300m shuttle in 70 secs. Mike Golic is a 48 year old ex pro-football player, and he did it live on Mike&Mike on ESPN the other day.

Nuff said. I don't Shanahan is being that unreasonable.

As for the sore knee, I was out of shape until a couple months ago I started going to the gym regularly, and I can tell you my knee and ankles were sore and a little swollen when I first started back.

did Golic do it? Good stuff. Cheer cheer for old Notre Dame.

What's his name, Schlereth, said that he believed Mike Golic would do it because Golic has heart. Haynsworth has no heart.

That said a lot to me, that an ex player would call out Haynesworth for heart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 04, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
Haynesworth is just another in a long list of players that over performed in a contract year, got a huge contract and has hardly tried since. A lot of the blame should be with the Redskins for giving him such a huge contract when there have always been concerns about his attitude. You would think Snyder would have caught on by now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 04, 2010, 11:20:29 AM
Quote from: Minder on August 04, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
Haynesworth is just another in a long list of players that over performed in a contract year, got a huge contract and has hardly tried since. A lot of the blame should be with the Redskins for giving him such a huge contract when there have always been concerns about his attitude. You would think Snyder would have caught on by now.

It's pretty astonishing how that happens, and it's not just football. You'd imagine they'd actually feel some sort of urge to perform, either because they like the game, because they are competitive, or because they want to earn their money.

Too many lads looking for Mo Money and then when they get it, they don't give a shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 04, 2010, 12:14:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 04, 2010, 11:20:29 AM
Quote from: Minder on August 04, 2010, 11:08:17 AM
Haynesworth is just another in a long list of players that over performed in a contract year, got a huge contract and has hardly tried since. A lot of the blame should be with the Redskins for giving him such a huge contract when there have always been concerns about his attitude. You would think Snyder would have caught on by now.

It's pretty astonishing how that happens, and it's not just football. You'd imagine they'd actually feel some sort of urge to perform, either because they like the game, because they are competitive, or because they want to earn their money.

Too many lads looking for Mo Money and then when they get it, they don't give a shite.

Mo money, Mo problems.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 04, 2010, 11:32:05 PM
Good tweet from Rich Eisen:

So now we've heard from Favre who said he will return if healthy. Like I told you: Favre Watch is a marathon, not a sprint. Breathe people.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 06, 2010, 12:38:25 PM
The broncos have lost NFL sack leader Dumervil for the season. He tore a pectoral muscle and is out for at least 4 months I think. That means Denver have now lost their 2 best players from last season,  wide receiver Marshall and Dumervil.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on August 06, 2010, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 06, 2010, 12:38:25 PM
The broncos have lost NFL sack leader Dumervil for the season. He tore a pectoral muscle and is out for at least 4 months I think. That means Denver have now lost their 2 best players from last season,  wide receiver Marshall and Dumervil.

It's the one thing I hate about the NFL: injuries. The game is so violent that it's unavoidable, but I hate that we're so often robbed of seeing the best players e.g. Both Bob Sanders and Troy Polamalu missed almost the entire year last year. That's a huge shame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 06, 2010, 01:08:17 PM
And now they will be going to 18 games a season in the new CBA (I'll bet), so imagine the extra injuries? They'll have to increase rosters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 17, 2010, 09:02:42 PM
Brett Favre is headed back to Minnesota today to play ;D or to retire :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 17, 2010, 10:18:05 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 17, 2010, 09:02:42 PM
Brett Favre is headed back to Minnesota today to play ;D or to retire :'(

Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson and Ryan Longwell reportedly flew to Mississipi to coax the big baby back to play.
Title: NCAA Football is back
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
Well, does anyone follow this? They have good coverage on ESPN America (Channel 430 if you bought ESPN).

The marching bands and college girl cheerleaders are back as the players kick off tonight. ESPN America is showing Southern Miss @ South Carolina at 12.30 am tonight, followed by USC at Hawai'i. (Nice place to open your season).

I love the NFL, but the pageantry and colour of the NCAA Football, along with the 'folksy' commentators are real Americana as well. Plus the fight songs are great, especially Notre Dames and Ohio State's 'dotting the i' (look it up on You Tube)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on September 03, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
The marching band shows at halftime are something else, as is the entire atmosphere surrounding college football. I'll take a Division I college game over the NFL any day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2010, 09:17:02 PM
American Football is back on terristrial TV where it started

Channel 4 will be showing the Sunday nighter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on September 03, 2010, 09:40:21 PM
Was at a Notre Dame game in southbend 2 years a go...By far the best sporting expierence i ever had

They are playing in both Giants and Yankee stadiums in the next few months
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2010, 09:59:03 PM
And Croker in 2012.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on September 03, 2010, 10:06:27 PM
who?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2010, 10:07:16 PM
Notre Dame. They are playing Navy in Croker in autumn 2012.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on September 03, 2010, 10:12:02 PM
Yea ment who were Notre Dame playing...Thats who there playing in Yankee stadium....Tickets pretty expensive...$270 for nosebleeds but well worth it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2010, 10:16:58 PM
It's Navy in Giants Stadium and Army at Yankee Stadium
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 03, 2010, 10:17:58 PM
Quote from: new devil on September 03, 2010, 10:12:02 PM
Yea ment who were Notre Dame playing...Thats who there playing in Yankee stadium....Tickets pretty expensive...$270 for nosebleeds but well worth it

:D :D :D

Fitry bucks would be about right, $270.00 is a disgrace for the cheap seats, ye must have mney to burn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on September 03, 2010, 10:19:59 PM
Yea it is a joke....but be a long time until they play in NY again so just have to suck it up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on September 05, 2010, 12:19:49 AM
Notre Dame will be in Yankee Stadium again in the next couple years ... they're making an effort to bring them in every couple years, as well as having a bowl game there at Yankee Stadium every year.

The finish of the Mississippi-Jacksonville State game was phenomenal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 06, 2010, 02:37:58 PM
Enjoyed the college football over the weekend there. Do many of you guys follow it closely? Ate a hole out of Saturday. Better than watching some dodgy premiership match. There's something about the college football culture that's very intriguing. Gripping almost. The colour and sound is fantastic. Makes NFL look sterile.

Florida were very poor. Tebow or not. Gotta be beating Miami easier than that. The amount of bad snaps they played was unbelievable. Some weren't even near the mark, I think the commentators had counted something like 13/14 bad snaps.

Denard Robinson was class for Michigan. Cannot believe he is a QB! Surely they can't ask him to do that sort of yardage every week? 113,000 attendance.

TCU looked OK too. I liked their QB Dalton. Katz looked decent enough for Oregon but there just seems to be a lack of conviction with him. Only for the picks Oregon would hardly have been in the game.

Big game tonight - Boise State v Virginia Tech. Tough game for Boise to start with, especially as they have title aspirations. But i'll take them to win. Probably too late to watch it though on a school night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 06, 2010, 04:26:46 PM
I follow it alright, but not as closely as the NFL. I love the spectacle, but the NCAA needs to have playoffs rather than the computer system deciding who plays for the National Championship.

Robinson will not do that against better opposition, hopefully starting with Notre Dame next weekend. Katz it probably going to be a great NFL quarterback though, (Oregon State, not Oregon - Oregon are the green and yella fellas).

Boise v Va Tech tonight is huge alright, but I think Va Tech will beat them. It's not on the blue field in Idaho, and is nearly a home game for Va Tech. If Boise lose it they will be knocked out of the National Championship, but their only hope of getting to that game is to schedule tough non conference games. (Hence my preference for a playoff).

I still prefer the NFL because of the higher quality of game, but I do think the NCAA is a close second.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 06, 2010, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: wicked on September 03, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
The marching band shows at halftime are something else, as is the entire atmosphere surrounding college football. I'll take a Division I college game over the NFL any day.

For a fun atmosphere nothing beats a college game tailgaiting with students (esp coeds) and the price beats the NFL.

But the NFL is better in terms of athletics and ability of players. NFL tailgaiting is only a stepdown from the NCAA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 06, 2010, 10:52:49 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 06, 2010, 10:01:34 PM
Quote from: wicked on September 03, 2010, 07:37:43 PM
The marching band shows at halftime are something else, as is the entire atmosphere surrounding college football. I'll take a Division I college game over the NFL any day.

For a fun atmosphere nothing beats a college game tailgaiting with students (esp coeds) and the price beats the NFL.

But the NFL is better in terms of athletics and ability of players. NFL tailgaiting is only a stepdown from the NCAA.

I love watching the NFL and trying to work out how the offensive and defensive schemes work. It's nigh on impossible with the broadcast angles, but the schemes are much more complex. I also love working out matchups and seeing what problems players like Gates and Finlay can cause. I just don't get the same thing from NCAA Football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on September 07, 2010, 01:22:54 AM
Was lucky enough to be studying at UT Austin in 2005 when they won the national championship.  Got to the majority of home games that season and up to Baylor, the atmosphere of a college game really is something.  Was in the same class as Vince Young that year too.  Once I moved back home I more or less gave up watching NFL games in favour of NCAA games unless the vikings were involved but soon realised you get so many more one sided games in college football that more excitement can actually be found watching the pros play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on September 07, 2010, 01:33:50 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on September 07, 2010, 01:22:54 AM
Was lucky enough to be studying at UT Austin in 2005 when they won the national championship.  Got to the majority of home games that season and up to Baylor, the atmosphere of a college game really is something.  Was in the same class as Vince Young that year too.  Once I moved back home I more or less gave up watching NFL games in favour of NCAA games unless the vikings were involved but soon realised you get so many more one sided games in college football that more excitement can actually be found watching the pros play.

Id say Vince had his selection of hot Female UT co-eds.
They loved him down there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 07, 2010, 05:47:12 AM
Quote from: RedBolts on September 06, 2010, 02:37:58 PM
Enjoyed the college football over the weekend there. Do many of you guys follow it closely? Ate a hole out of Saturday. Better than watching some dodgy premiership match. There's something about the college football culture that's very intriguing. Gripping almost. The colour and sound is fantastic. Makes NFL look sterile.

Florida were very poor. Tebow or not. Gotta be beating Miami easier than that. The amount of bad snaps they played was unbelievable. Some weren't even near the mark, I think the commentators had counted something like 13/14 bad snaps.

Denard Robinson was class for Michigan. Cannot believe he is a QB! Surely they can't ask him to do that sort of yardage every week? 113,000 attendance.

TCU looked OK too. I liked their QB Dalton. Katz looked decent enough for Oregon but there just seems to be a lack of conviction with him. Only for the picks Oregon would hardly have been in the game.

Big game tonight - Boise State v Virginia Tech. Tough game for Boise to start with, especially as they have title aspirations. But i'll take them to win. Probably too late to watch it though on a school night.

Incredible game!!!!  Down to the wire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 07, 2010, 12:29:33 PM
Unfortunately i didn't see it but it sounded like a good one alright. A lot of talk today about Boise State's right to be in a BCS title game. Must win all remaining games obv, but where do you guys stand on that one?

I think with their record over the past 3/4 years it would be unfair to tell them: you can't play for the BCS title. But you can see why it's unfair on the teams from the bigger conferences.

AZOffaly was talking about a playoff system. Would certainly remove some of these issues. But how would it work - top 10/12 teams in an NFL-style system? What would happen the other bowl games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 07, 2010, 12:45:15 PM
Quote from: RedBolts on September 07, 2010, 12:29:33 PM
Unfortunately i didn't see it but it sounded like a good one alright. A lot of talk today about Boise State's right to be in a BCS title game. Must win all remaining games obv, but where do you guys stand on that one?

I think with their record over the past 3/4 years it would be unfair to tell them: you can't play for the BCS title. But you can see why it's unfair on the teams from the bigger conferences.

AZOffaly was talking about a playoff system. Would certainly remove some of these issues. But how would it work - top 10/12 teams in an NFL-style system? What would happen the other bowl games?

The problem with Boise is that they play in a conference that is loaded with patsies. That's why they've scheduled VA Tech this year. Problem is, VA Tech is their only ranked opponent all year!! It'll be a major surprise now if Boise go anything less than 11 or 12 and 0. (Can't remember how many games they play).

If they do go undefeated, having started in #3, there's a fair chance (actually an excellent chance) that they will be in the BCS game.

HOWEVER, that's not really fair when you look at the SEC, Big 10, Pac 10, Big XII or any of the other major conferences. It's very hard to go unbeaten if you are Florida when you have to play Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, Miami etc etc every year.

Obviously there's 120 Division 1 schools, and you can't have a playoff for all of them. What I would suggest is the winner of each of the major conferences (PAC 10, Big 10, Big XII, SEC, Big East, WAC, whatever) PLUS the next amount of teams from the BCS rankings would go into the playoffs, capped at 16 teams.

The quarter finals then could be the 4 big Bowl Games, Sugar, Rose, Orange, Fiesta.

The other bowl games could select from the rest of the teams with a winning record throughout the country.

I think it would be much fairer, and would allow the *real* national champion to be crowned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 07, 2010, 02:47:18 PM
Yeah I think the biggest problem is the fact that there are 120 FBS programs. Not easy to break into manageable/equal divisions. Then play-offs. I agree that a play-off system seems to be the only fair way to finish off the season, but its an extra 4 weekends of games, and you'll have the usual detractors if a poorer regular-season team lifts the title.

Hard to suit everyone. In Boise's case - how difficult/feasible would it be for them to join one of the BCS conferences - say PAC-10 (although they're already expanding it to PAC-12)? Or even become an independent?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 07, 2010, 03:15:55 PM
Lets look at last year as a starting point. I would give automatic entry to the 'Sweet 16' to the following schools...

ACC Champion - Georgia Tech
Big East Champion - Cincinnati
Big 10 Champion - Ohio State
Big XII Champion - Texas
Conference USA Champion - East Carolina
MAC Champion - Central Michigan
Mountain West - TCU
PAC 10 - Oregon
SEC - Alabama
Sun Belt - Troy
WAC - Boise State


That makes 11. Now add 5 teams that are the top ranked in BCS rankings, but haven't won their conferences.... (This would include any independents that have played well enough).

In 2009 that finished.... (Wildcards for the playoffs in bold)

1   Alabama   .9978
2   Texas   .9433
3   Cincinnati   .8878
4   TCU   .8836
5   Florida   .8637
6   Boise State   .8106
7   Oregon   .7568
8   Ohio State   .6568
9   Georgia Tech   .6471
10   Iowa   .6180
11   Virginia Tech   .5675
12   LSU   .5375
13   Penn State   .5319
14   Brigham Young   .4531
15   Miami (FL)   .4419
16   West Virginia   .3357
17   Pittsburgh   .3141
18   Oregon State   .2876
19   Oklahoma State   .2628
20   Arizona   .2248
21   Stanford   .1803
22   Nebraska   .1655
23   Utah   .1245
24   USC   .1207
25   Wisconsin   .1203

Imagine this then. (Seeded based on BCS standings and my opinion for the lower conf champions, because they weren't in the top 25. Conf Champions automatically higher than Wildcards.)

#1 Alabama versus #13 Penn State.

#2 Texas versus #12 LSU

#3 Cincinnati versus #11 VA Tech

#4 TCU versus #10 Iowa

#6 Boise versus 5 Florida

#7 Oregon versus Number ?? Troy

#8 Ohio State versus Number ?? Central Michigan

#9 Georgia Tech versus Number ?? East Carolina

Now that would be a playoff run :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 07, 2010, 03:41:53 PM
Fair play AZ - seems like a solid system. Would certainly enjoy that month of action!! As if we haven't enough problems trying to structure a fair All Ireland football championship, without trying to put the BCS to rights as well!

Reading what the BCS themselves have to say about this, it appears that a few mindsets will need to change before a 'Sweet 16' playoff system is brought into place:

Why can't the BCS institute a playoff for Division I-A football?
The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game showcase of college football; designed to ensure that the two top-rated teams in the country meet in the national championship game, while creating exciting and competitive matchups among eight other highly regarded teams in four other games.

It has been undeniably successful in achieving those goals. Thanks to the BCS, the top two teams have played each other 12 times in 12 years by BCS measurements and 9 times in the last 12 according to the AP poll -- including the last six years in a row. Additionally, it has provided more access to the major bowls for all 11 conferences, more television exposure, and more postseason revenue than ever before.

Playoffs have been considered by the NCAA Bowl Subdivision membership over the years, and have not been approved because of concerns that they would diminish the regular season, end the bowl system as it is today, create additional injury risk, pose significant logistical challenges, among other reasons. A survey of college football coaches at the American Football Coaches Association convention in 2010 found that 73 percent of coaches favor keeping the current BCS system in place.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809793 (http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809793)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 10, 2010, 03:29:20 AM
Saints are leading 14-9 with 5 minutes to go in the third quarter, this game has been a bit of a grinder. Saints have missed a field goal and the Vikings an extra point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on September 10, 2010, 03:34:30 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on September 07, 2010, 01:33:50 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on September 07, 2010, 01:22:54 AM
Was lucky enough to be studying at UT Austin in 2005 when they won the national championship.  Got to the majority of home games that season and up to Baylor, the atmosphere of a college game really is something.  Was in the same class as Vince Young that year too.  Once I moved back home I more or less gave up watching NFL games in favour of NCAA games unless the vikings were involved but soon realised you get so many more one sided games in college football that more excitement can actually be found watching the pros play.

Id say Vince had his selection of hot Female UT co-eds.
They loved him down there.

Wasnt friendly enough with him to know about that but the talk around campus was that his long term girlfriend was there and that he was a one woman man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on September 10, 2010, 03:36:45 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 10, 2010, 03:29:20 AM
Saints are leading 14-9 with 5 minutes to go in the third quarter, this game has been a bit of a grinder. Saints have missed a field goal and the Vikings an extra point.

Was worried the Vikings would get blown away tonight with a very patched up secondary but so far I was impressed enough with the defence.  Still think the Saints will pull away this half though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 10, 2010, 03:42:31 AM
The Vikings still have hope the defense is holding up well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on September 10, 2010, 09:07:22 AM
Favre didn't look right last night,clearly has a bit to go to get up to his high standard again.Will be great to see the football back on channel 4 on Sunday nights,and a great rivalry with the Redskins and Cowboys to get us started this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 11, 2010, 08:14:14 PM
whats the story about reggie bush and the heissman trophy heard the commentators going on about it during the match last night but don't know what he was refering to
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 11, 2010, 08:35:35 PM
Bush might be losing his Heismann because all of USC's dirty laundry in terms of payment of players etc has been aired this summer.

Bush is the best known player involved and the pressure is building for the Heismann people to ask for their trophy back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2010, 08:39:56 PM
What he said,. Tha NCAA have already banned USC from the post season for the next two years (no bowl games) and cut the number of scholarships they can give out (hurts recruiting).

Bush has been held up as an example of the illegal payments and violations that took place under Pete Carrolls watch. His Heisman probably will be taken off him. so the question is what will they do with it? Give it to Vince Young, runner up that year, or leave it void.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2010, 08:49:29 PM
Notre Dame - Michigan is on Eurosport 2 now if you are interested.
Title: Football
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 11, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Great stuff az . Was oj ever stripped of his heissman award
Title: Re: Football
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2010, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 11, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Great stuff az . Was oj ever stripped of his heissman award

Why would he have been stripped of it. He was found innocent in a court of law. ;)
Title: Re: Football
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2010, 09:08:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2010, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 11, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Great stuff az . Was oj ever stripped of his heissman award

Why would he have been stripped of it. He was found innocent in a court of law. ;)

He was later found guilty of armed robbery and is currently doing time I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 11, 2010, 09:33:26 PM
Anybody know any sites where i could watch the baseball? Giants at padres!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
Notre Dame in big trouble against Michigan here. 14-7 down, and their starting QB (Who had been doing well) is knocked out of the game with concussion it looks like.

In a blast from the past though, their QB is a lad by the name of Nate Montana, a walk on and son of quite a famous father. :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on September 12, 2010, 05:35:42 AM
Great finish to the Notre Dame-Michigan game, even though I dislike Michigan, Michigan's quarterback is very talented and had one heck of a game. I guess you'd say he was in good form.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 12, 2010, 12:55:53 PM
Watched a good bit of the ND/Michigan game last night. Thought when the qb called Montana was wearing 16 there was some link alright. The Michigan qb was unreal. Running, throwing, even kicking!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 12, 2010, 06:19:13 PM
The Pats offence looks fan-Davy-dosy already. Cincinnati is a good D and they just had NO answer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on September 13, 2010, 01:12:36 AM
Was tuning in and out of the Giant's game... good win to kickstart the season.  Will be watching it a good deal closer this year with Sky in the house and I see there will be a live game every Sunday night on Channel 4!  Happy days ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 13, 2010, 01:46:40 AM
Calvin Johnaon and the lions got destroyed by the refs tonight. He caught the ball in the end zone two feet down, falls down hits the ground rolls over and in the act of getting up puts the ball on the ground and runs away. The umpires can't use common sense any more and after the umpire closest to the play initially gave the score, it was overruled both on the field and in the booth. 30 seconds to go and the Bears win.

To rub salt into the lions wounds. QB Matt Stafford had to leave the game early and might be out for up to 6 weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 13, 2010, 01:50:33 AM
It is great to have the NFL back on channel 4. Between that and the internet, I will get a lit of NFL ganome coverage this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 13, 2010, 09:07:31 AM
Bears were lucky to get out of that. The red zone offence again resembles the keystone cops. O-line is still a mess. Defense looks a bit better and they really deserve most of the credit. Forte looks to be back to what he was like but even at that he'll struggle to run the ball with that o-line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 13, 2010, 09:26:41 AM
Watched the Pats last night until half time, then switched to Houston- Indy. Them watched Packers-Eagles.

The Pats Offence looks awesome. Brady to Welker is what it always was. Very impressed with Tate and the 2 tight ends. They threw so many different looks at Cinci they just didn't know what was coming.

As for the other early game- Arian Foster Arian Foster Arian Foster Arian Foster Arian Foster Arian Foster Arian Foster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 13, 2010, 11:57:46 AM
Anyone know where tonights/Tuesday morning's match between the Jets and Ravens is being shown? Skysports or channel 4 don't seem to have it listed?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 13, 2010, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: The Claw on September 13, 2010, 11:57:46 AM
Anyone know where tonights/Tuesday morning's match between the Jets and Ravens is being shown? Skysports or channel 4 don't seem to have it listed?

Neither, ESPN are showing MNF. Channel 4 are showing the late Sunday night game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 13, 2010, 12:13:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 13, 2010, 12:12:25 PM
Quote from: The Claw on September 13, 2010, 11:57:46 AM
Anyone know where tonights/Tuesday morning's match between the Jets and Ravens is being shown? Skysports or channel 4 don't seem to have it listed?

Neither, ESPN are showing MNF. Channel 4 are showing the late Sunday night game.
ah pants, some illegal streaming is in order so
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on September 13, 2010, 01:28:25 PM
Some ending to the Redskins v Cowboys game.Was a poor enough contest throughout,both sides guilty of some shocking errors but Washington's defense restricted the Cowboys to just one score and just about deserved to get the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 13, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
I'm really annoyed as a falcons fan with the way they are playing now. And its only after 1 game.

Its a passer friendly league for gods sake. Look at the last 5 or 6 superbowls won by teams that were pass first teams. Yet Mick Mularky our OC has decided to stick with what he calls "smash mouth" football, run Turner up the gut time after time for minimal gains. Matt Ryan's development is being hindered by a complete lack of faith in him. Now maybe he isn't that good but if he is the player they drafted/believe him to be, well its his 3rd season, let him throw the damn thing.

At the same time they were 4th and 1 in the Steelers red-zone and they took a FG instead of actually sticking with the phylosophy of "smashmouth" football. Mike Smith is getting the nick-name Field Goal Mike basically for having a lack of balls.

Have some faith in your team and take some risks, Mike for f**k sake, it will reap its own rewards in the long run even if it doesnt pay off everytime initially.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 13, 2010, 02:35:56 PM
Very disappointed with the live games yesterday. Carolina's offence was pathetic. How they even scored 18 points i don't know. Moore totally ineffective at QB and threw some shocking ball. Commentators kept saying how the Panthers are a running team. Well they couldn't run for shit. Giants won by default. Overall I thought they looked poor enough, with the Eli/Nicks partnership the only bright spot for them. Nicks a player to look out for this season.

San Francisco were worse again. They looked totally toothless, especially in the second half when they didn't even want to be there. A lot of talk of the 49ers easing to the NFC West, but not on this showing. Alex Smith just doesn't convince at QB. Seattle played well though in fairness. Good defence and they took their chances when they came. Important.

Didn't see the Redskins/Cowboys game (must develop some sort of bodyclock for these nighttime games!). Knew it would be a dogfight though - with the score never troubling the total points line. Cowboys look like they need improvement if they're to reach their 'own' Superbowl.

Surprised at Colts defeat, but still team to beat. Pats looked OK too, but defence will cost them.

Tonight's games: I reckon the Ravens will take the Jets. They have a good record against NY - winning their last five. And hopefully over 44.5 points is a good bet in SD/Chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 13, 2010, 03:07:54 PM
Quote from: RedBolts on September 13, 2010, 02:35:56 PM
Very disappointed with the live games yesterday. Carolina's offence was pathetic. How they even scored 18 points i don't know. Moore totally ineffective at QB and threw some shocking ball. Commentators kept saying how the Panthers are a running team. Well they couldn't run for shit. Giants won by default. Overall I thought they looked poor enough, with the Eli/Nicks partnership the only bright spot for them. Nicks a player to look out for this season.

San Francisco were worse again. They looked totally toothless, especially in the second half when they didn't even want to be there. A lot of talk of the 49ers easing to the NFC West, but not on this showing. Alex Smith just doesn't convince at QB. Seattle played well though in fairness. Good defence and they took their chances when they came. Important.

Didn't see the Redskins/Cowboys game (must develop some sort of bodyclock for these nighttime games!). Knew it would be a dogfight though - with the score never troubling the total points line. Cowboys look like they need improvement if they're to reach their 'own' Superbowl.

Surprised at Colts defeat, but still team to beat. Pats looked OK too, but defence will cost them.

Tonight's games: I reckon the Ravens will take the Jets. They have a good record against NY - winning their last five. And hopefully over 44.5 points is a good bet in SD/Chiefs.

Don't agree at all. In the first half last night the Pats D was fabulous. They clearly took their foot off the gas in the second half and it wasn't until then that Cinci made inroads. I think they played Possum in the preseason and will be better than many expected.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 13, 2010, 03:37:35 PM
Quote from: RedBolts on September 13, 2010, 02:35:56 PM
Very disappointed with the live games yesterday. Carolina's offence was pathetic. How they even scored 18 points i don't know. Moore totally ineffective at QB and threw some shocking ball. Commentators kept saying how the Panthers are a running team. Well they couldn't run for shit. Giants won by default. Overall I thought they looked poor enough, with the Eli/Nicks partnership the only bright spot for them. Nicks a player to look out for this season.

San Francisco were worse again. They looked totally toothless, especially in the second half when they didn't even want to be there. A lot of talk of the 49ers easing to the NFC West, but not on this showing. Alex Smith just doesn't convince at QB. Seattle played well though in fairness. Good defence and they took their chances when they came. Important.

Didn't see the Redskins/Cowboys game (must develop some sort of bodyclock for these nighttime games!). Knew it would be a dogfight though - with the score never troubling the total points line. Cowboys look like they need improvement if they're to reach their 'own' Superbowl.

Surprised at Colts defeat, but still team to beat. Pats looked OK too, but defence will cost them.

Tonight's games: I reckon the Ravens will take the Jets. They have a good record against NY - winning their last five. And hopefully over 44.5 points is a good bet in SD/Chiefs.

Thinking the same myself about Alex smith. Completely sick of all this talk about this being his year to shine. Once again he has showed he just can't cut it, but for some reason singletary won't take him out. If he doesn't improve against the saints next week i think Carr should get a chance! From the 1st three drives should have had at least 13 points and ended up with 6 which gave the hawks hope. Big Big game next Monday night. 0-2 start would be a disaster, especially with the falcons and eagles coming up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on September 13, 2010, 04:16:06 PM
what the hell was Alex Barron doing last night on the last play of the game???  :o
His stupid holding penalty,i think it was his 4th or 5th penalty of the night,cost  the Cowboys the winning touchdown as Romo found Witten in the endzone as time expired.  ::)  ::)
Unbelieveable stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 13, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on September 13, 2010, 04:16:06 PM
what the hell was Alex Barron doing last night on the last play of the game???  :o
His stupid holding penalty,i think it was his 4th or 5th penalty of the night,cost  the Cowboys the winning touchdown as Romo found Witten in the endzone as time expired.  ::)  ::)
Unbelieveable stuff.

Most penalised player in the league last year I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 13, 2010, 09:40:24 PM
Players who were expected to do well were mediocre and sometimes horrible.
A lot of players emerged as decent prospects but it's only week 1 - lets see if they can keep this up for the season!

So tired this morning and another late night with the Jets and Ravens tonight!!!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on September 13, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
wish i had ESPN,
how much extra to your sky monthy bill is it to subscribe,does anyone know?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 13, 2010, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on September 13, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
wish i had ESPN,
how much extra to your sky monthy bill is it to subscribe,does anyone know?

You can go two ways. Sign up for 12 mths and ge the first 3 mths free or £9 per month and you are not tied in. I went for the second option and will cancel in January. The 30 for 30 documentaries are great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2010, 10:01:53 PM
Monday Night Countdown on now. This is a great show...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on September 13, 2010, 10:20:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 13, 2010, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on September 13, 2010, 09:50:02 PM
wish i had ESPN,
how much extra to your sky monthy bill is it to subscribe,does anyone know?

You can go two ways. Sign up for 12 mths and ge the first 3 mths free or £9 per month and you are not tied in. I went for the second option and will cancel in January. The 30 for 30 documentaries are great.

cheers for that lad,im look into getting it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on September 14, 2010, 07:08:15 AM
Chargers lost 14-21 to the Chiefs....not the start you would want although Chiefs has been improving slowly each year. Should have been able to get the ball in the endzone from 6 yards and 3 downs though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 14, 2010, 10:50:58 AM
Have NEVER been more frustrated than watching the Jets last night, the D would be class and get to what would look like a three-and-out and then would give away a penalty. They gave up something like 100 yards in penalties alone.
They could do nothing on offence, looked clueless, they wouldn't let Sanchez throw on a secondary that was missing two starters.
I dunno if it was the strength of the Jets D but the Ravens didn't look like world beaters either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 14, 2010, 01:59:05 PM
(http://www.mocksession.com/30fps//RAYLEWISISAMURDERER.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Has anyone here ever played gridiron? I know it's a dumb question because I'm sure it hurts like hell - I was given a stat once that it's very rare for a player to play every play of every game that they could play - but is it any worse than (obvious comparision) rugby?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 14, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Average player career length is 3.5 to 4 years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:24:43 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 14, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
Average player career length is 3.5 to 4 years

Jaysus.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 14, 2010, 04:52:25 PM
Quote from: The Claw on September 14, 2010, 10:50:58 AM
Have NEVER been more frustrated than watching the Jets last night, the D would be class and get to what would look like a three-and-out and then would give away a penalty. They gave up something like 100 yards in penalties alone.
They could do nothing on offence, looked clueless, they wouldn't let Sanchez throw on a secondary that was missing two starters.
I dunno if it was the strength of the Jets D but the Ravens didn't look like world beaters either.

Yeah, saw the first half of this game. You're right it was really difficult to watch. Extremely frustrating. Jets were going nowhere and the Ravens weren't getting too far either. Sanchez doesn't cut it I don't think. Can't see them winning a Superbowl with him. Might even struggle for playoffs. Good win under difficult circumstances for Baltimore. Fancy them to take the Bengals this weekend.

As for Chargers. Is it too simplistic to say they would have won if Vincent Jackson was on the field? No.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 14, 2010, 05:54:42 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Has anyone here ever played gridiron? I know it's a dumb question because I'm sure it hurts like hell - I was given a stat once that it's very rare for a player to play every play of every game that they could play - but is it any worse than (obvious comparision) rugby?

I've played both and got seriously injured playing both. Had more concussions from American football though. I find that in American football its the tackles/hits that hurt more with Rugby football its when I'm on the ground after the tackle that I got hurt more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 14, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Has anyone here ever played gridiron? I know it's a dumb question because I'm sure it hurts like hell - I was given a stat once that it's very rare for a player to play every play of every game that they could play - but is it any worse than (obvious comparision) rugby?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b2d727/WK-4-Anquan-Boldin-injury (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b2d727/WK-4-Anquan-Boldin-injury)

Boldin ended up with 41 screws in his cheek according to the guys on MNF last night.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 14, 2010, 08:16:53 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 14, 2010, 01:59:05 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen. Ray Lewis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 14, 2010, 08:19:16 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 14, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Has anyone here ever played gridiron? I know it's a dumb question because I'm sure it hurts like hell - I was given a stat once that it's very rare for a player to play every play of every game that they could play - but is it any worse than (obvious comparision) rugby?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b2d727/WK-4-Anquan-Boldin-injury (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d80b2d727/WK-4-Anquan-Boldin-injury)

Boldin ended up with 41 screws in his cheek according to the guys on MNF last night.

I think he got the jaw bust two years ago against the Jets too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 14, 2010, 08:40:07 PM
that's the clip Puck posted Minder  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 15, 2010, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Has anyone here ever played gridiron? I know it's a dumb question because I'm sure it hurts like hell - I was given a stat once that it's very rare for a player to play every play of every game that they could play - but is it any worse than (obvious comparision) rugby?

it showed pictures of Brett Favre Leg after last years match against New Orleans it looked like he was hit by a train 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 16, 2010, 06:04:15 PM
Lads looking for tickets for the wembley game and the best price i can find is around £90 on ticketmaster. Was hoping i wouldn't have to spend that much. Wouldn't really mind where i was sitting, are there any other sites selling them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on September 16, 2010, 06:30:18 PM
Best place for this  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sD_8prYOxo&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on September 16, 2010, 11:17:05 PM
Anyone here going to the Boston Bruins-Giants Select game at Odyssey?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
What a great win for little old UNR Wolfe Tones against Cal bears ranked #24!!!

We beat the shit out of them for 4 quarters, scoring 51 points against one of the best defences in the natio

Cracking night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on September 18, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
What a great win for little old UNR Wolfe Tones against Cal bears ranked #24!!!

We beat the shit out of them for 4 quarters, scoring 51 points against one of the best defences in the natio

Cracking night.

Puck, judging by your post time I would say it was a cracking night ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 11:13:11 PM
FL! That is only 10.55 pm PST... I was designated driver last night - maybe my delerium was post prandial, having just devoured a great burger from Jack in the Box after the game! Thank the lord I was driving, beers at the stadium were $7.75, and sales stopped at half time. The tailgating was fun beforehand however.

Was a seriously great game - from the get go UNR were on the offensive. High scoring night in Reno.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on September 18, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 11:13:11 PM
FL! That is only 10.55 pm PST... I was designated driver last night - maybe my delerium was post prandial, having just devoured a great burger from Jack in the Box after the game! Thank the lord I was driving, beers at the stadium were $7.75, and sales stopped at half time. The tailgating was fun beforehand however.

Was a seriously great game - from the get go UNR were on the offensive. High scoring night in Reno.

Oh feck yes, I forgot about the other 3 hours you have to add on from EST. Will have a DD for the All Ireland tomorrow morning it will be a long day I am thinking....oh the head on Monday morning :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 19, 2010, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
What a great win for little old UNR Wolfe Tones against Cal bears ranked #24!!!

We beat the shit out of them for 4 quarters, scoring 51 points against one of the best defences in the natio

Cracking night.

AP top 25 did not list Cal   http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/

Watched the game and Cal has no D-Fence.

Very entertaining game though. UNR could be a Boise State in a few years.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 19, 2010, 09:09:30 AM
Quote from: deiseach on September 14, 2010, 02:10:01 PM
Has anyone here ever played gridiron? I know it's a dumb question because I'm sure it hurts like hell - I was given a stat once that it's very rare for a player to play every play of every game that they could play - but is it any worse than (obvious comparision) rugby?

deiseach,
I played both American football and rugby. In AF you have harder hits on a more consitant basis and sprint on every play. Rugby you tend to hit every so often and jog more then sprint.

A 270lb defensive end would probally beat most rugby backs in a forty yard sprint, but a forward guy could beat a Wide receiver in an endurance race.

The contact is also different. With AF you have the pads and helmet where players don't fear hitting an opponent, in rugby you tend to see more controlled tackles with proper form and a reduced rate of injuries.

As far as a Pro or College team MOST players will only play one position on Offense or Defense and thus limit their playing time to that particular side of the team and game. In High School and lower level (children) some kids will never leave the field playing on both sides of the ball and special teams. Pre 1970 there was a number of players who played both OFF and DEF but the game has turned to specialized positions.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 19, 2010, 10:30:38 PM
What a catch by Moss over Revis  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 19, 2010, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 19, 2010, 10:30:38 PM
What a catch by Moss over Revis  :o

Exactly what I logged in to say. Special stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 20, 2010, 09:37:01 AM
Just seen the highlights of the Texans-Redskins game. Texans won it in overtime, but only after Graham Gano had a 52 yard FG called back when Kubiak called a timeout just before the snap. He than proceeded to miss by a mile second time round.

I'm curious about it because American sports seems to pride themselves on great demonstrations of sportsmanship (such as not running up the score, which I disagree with) whereas this was blatant gamesmanship yet the commentators were praising the ingenuity of the coach. Admittedly they said that it was exactly the sort of stunt Shanahan would have pulled in the same circumstances.

Just wondering if anyone knows how your average joe American views such plays and what our more dedicated American football fans on here reckon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 20, 2010, 09:59:27 AM
I dunno Gallsman you can look at it both ways, i have heard quite a few kickers say it doesn't bother them in the slightest and they usually know when the time out is coming and treat the first one as a "practice" shot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 20, 2010, 12:14:34 PM
Arizona Cardinals are not the same without Kurt Warner. Great win for the Falcons but I doubt we would have got the same result against previous versions of the Card, AZ must be a bit dissappointed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2010, 12:17:35 PM
I'm disappointed, but not distraught. To be honest beatings like that are common for the Cards, even under Warner, when they go east. They are a shocking road team east of the Mississippi.

Now they are worse because they don't have Warner. It should be noted they have also lost Carlos Dansby, but I believe the problem is, and has been, a defense that gives up too many points, and too many big passing plays. Always been that way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 20, 2010, 12:22:07 PM
  Watched the end to the game myself and the young lads first effort sailed over with ease.  This Freezing, as they like to call it, all coaches do it now so it seems to be accepted as part of the game.  I myself would like to see something done to remove it.  Some days it will go for you and others against you.
What about those Jets yesterday?  After a first quarter with only one drive for five yards, Sanchez was let lose and allowed to throw. Great performance from him and also from Cromartie who cleaned out Moss after Revis left the game with injury. 
Giants didnt fair so well in the 'Manning Bowl' .  Payton was lethal with alot of short passing and a good run game with him, plus Mathis and Freeney were on top of their game, both men getting at Eli far to easily.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on September 20, 2010, 01:47:23 PM
What about this guy? Unreal stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhi3SX0TAmw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhi3SX0TAmw)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2010, 03:21:34 PM
Brilliant stuff from the Chicago Bears on the road to the Cowboys. After the first couple of series it looked like Cutler was going to end up in hospital but somehow they got him enough protection and boy he did not disappoint. Still can't run the ball too well though despite having two bloody good rb's. Defense looks to be much improved as could have been expected. Urlacher really is a great player and was sorely missed most of last season and Peppers has helped get a bit of a rush going. The Cowboys miscued a lot and bigger challenges lie ahead but hopefully a winning season for da Bears and possibly playoffs (already 2 games ahead of the Vikes). Huge game next week against Green Bay.

Was impressed with Mark Sanchez against NE. Really stepped up and showed the class he has. Jets badly needed that win and I was mildly surprised they got it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on September 20, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
Cowboys and Vikings are 0-2, so much for two teams everyone was picking to play in the Super Bowl, or at the least meet in the NFC title game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 20, 2010, 03:48:48 PM
Can't wait for tonight's game! Theres some hope but really Saints should win it easy enough  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2010, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: wicked on September 20, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
Cowboys and Vikings are 0-2, so much for two teams everyone was picking to play in the Super Bowl, or at the least meet in the NFC title game.

My pick is the Packers v the Ravens. Has been since the end of last year.

Flacco is going to have to improve vastly for the Ravens to come through the AFC though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 20, 2010, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 19, 2010, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
What a great win for little old UNR Wolfe Tones against Cal bears ranked #24!!!

We beat the shit out of them for 4 quarters, scoring 51 points against one of the best defences in the natio

Cracking night.

AP top 25 did not list Cal   http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/

Watched the game and Cal has no D-Fence.
Very entertaining game though. UNR could be a Boise State in a few years.

According to the news reports - Cal were #24.

That Cal defence was much touted going into the game - but perhaps what many people in colleges football are not aware is that Nevada have been racking up huge rushing yards in the last two seasons - with quarterback Colin Kapernick a genuine Heisman contender. He has already beaten Tebow's rushing touchdown record - and last year we led the nation in rushing.

What we have missed is a defence - and it is finally there. In our last three games against boise state - we have scored 135 points - and lost by a combined total over the three games of 20 points.


EDIT: Cal were ranked #24 in the nation - and their defence was ranked #1 going into the game on Friday night. Not now they arent.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/18/SP7B1FFS04.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/18/SP7B1FFS04.DTL)

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100918/SPORTS06/100918001/1018/sports (http://www.rgj.com/article/20100918/SPORTS06/100918001/1018/sports)

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/13158/cal-unmasked (http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/13158/cal-unmasked)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2010, 04:46:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 20, 2010, 04:41:36 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 19, 2010, 08:49:21 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 18, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
What a great win for little old UNR Wolfe Tones against Cal bears ranked #24!!!

We beat the shit out of them for 4 quarters, scoring 51 points against one of the best defences in the natio

Cracking night.

AP top 25 did not list Cal   http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/polls/ap/

Watched the game and Cal has no D-Fence.
Very entertaining game though. UNR could be a Boise State in a few years.

According to the news reports - Cal were #24.

That Cal defence was much touted going into the game - but perhaps what many people in colleges football are not aware is that Nevada have been racking up huge rushing yards in the last two seasons - with quarterback Colin Kapernick a genuine Heisman contender. He has already beaten Tebow's rushing touchdown record - and last year we led the nation in rushing.

What we have missed is a defence - and it is finally there. In our last three games against boise state - we have scored 135 points - and lost by a combined total over the three games of 20 points.


EDIT: Cal were ranked #24 in the nation - and their defence was ranked #1 going into the game on Friday night. Not now they arent.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/18/SP7B1FFS04.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/18/SP7B1FFS04.DTL)

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100918/SPORTS06/100918001/1018/sports (http://www.rgj.com/article/20100918/SPORTS06/100918001/1018/sports)

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/13158/cal-unmasked (http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/13158/cal-unmasked)

No he isn't. Puck, don't be going mad. UNR is a WAC team, and their schedule is

Eastern Washington
Colorado State
Cal
BYU
UNLV
San Jose State
Hawai'i
Utah State
Idaho
Fresno State
New Mexico State
Boise State
and
Louisiana Tech.

That is not a Heisman schedule. Good win for UNR though. It was picked as an upset on ESPN though..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 20, 2010, 05:02:23 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/467287-nevadas-colin-kaepernick-a-worthy-heisman-trophy-candidate (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/467287-nevadas-colin-kaepernick-a-worthy-heisman-trophy-candidate)

You can only play what is in front of you - the WAC is kinda like the Munster Football championship - and for too long we have been the langers. Well - unlike the boys in Munster we are prepared to put our money where the mouth is and Nevada are moving to the Mountain West along with Boise and Fresno state next year.

That schedule isnt all roses, with Cal, BYU, Utah, Fresno and obviously Boise. Boise state's schedule isnt much harder - with the obvious exception of Virginia and Oregon sate. I think the mormons could be a very tough game - but thanksgiving weekend in Reno and Boise State coming to town - that will be a tailgate and a half! Kapernick Vs Kellen Moore? They'd kill to have Kapernick up there on the blue turf.

Some of Kapaernik's stats are amazing. Rushing for 1000 yards, passing for 2000 yards - in two different seasons? 13th best quarterback and 13th best rusher in the nation currently.

H'up the Wolfe Tones.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2010, 05:05:44 PM
Lies, Damn lies and statistics. He ain't putting up them numbers against Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Miami, Florida etc etc etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 20, 2010, 05:12:00 PM
I know you've had a tough weekend, what with the Cards and the Scousers, and probably losing a few shillings on the Down team that stayed in the City West - but don't be fooled - the kid is the real deal - and I am glad he is playing in the WAC, for us.

It takes time for a smaller team from a no-name conference to get into the big leagues to play against such traditional power houses - but we are moving in the right direction - finally. This year could be the best chance we have to beat the Broncos. It's all about keeping the momentum going.

Quote from the WAC commissioner - "If Nevada is 4-0 and Colin puts up big numbers at the start of the year," Karl Benson, the conference commissioner, said, "he will become one of the top five Heisman Trophy candidates."

Now - you and I both know he has no shot at getting that title - but even to be mentioned in the same breath - is a big step for Nevada Football.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 20, 2010, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2010, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: wicked on September 20, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
Cowboys and Vikings are 0-2, so much for two teams everyone was picking to play in the Super Bowl, or at the least meet in the NFC title game.

My pick is the Packers v the Ravens. Has been since the end of last year.

Flacco is going to have to improve vastly for the Ravens to come through the AFC though...

I think that Ravens secondary is just too beat up. Eventually a Pats, Chargers, or a Colts will throw all over them. I also think that whilst they have 3 quality receivers none of them is a deep threat, s o the ofense is very short and lacks a big play threat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wicked on September 20, 2010, 08:38:44 PM
Quarterbacks outside the BCS have contended for the Heisman, see Steve McNair and Joe Dudek, Dudek played for a small college in upstate New Hampshire that was in Division III.

Much less likely to see it nowadays, granted, but the kid at Nevada is pretty damn good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 21, 2010, 01:23:19 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 20, 2010, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2010, 03:53:57 PM
Quote from: wicked on September 20, 2010, 03:41:24 PM
Cowboys and Vikings are 0-2, so much for two teams everyone was picking to play in the Super Bowl, or at the least meet in the NFC title game.

My pick is the Packers v the Ravens. Has been since the end of last year.

Flacco is going to have to improve vastly for the Ravens to come through the AFC though...

I think that Ravens secondary is just too beat up. Eventually a Pats, Chargers, or a Colts will throw all over them. I also think that whilst they have 3 quality receivers none of them is a deep threat, s o the ofense is very short and lacks a big play threat.

I'm taking Pack -Colts in case you're wondering.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 21, 2010, 01:39:20 AM
Quote from: Declan on September 20, 2010, 01:47:23 PM
What about this guy? Unreal stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhi3SX0TAmw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhi3SX0TAmw)

Wilson is a nut job, but he has been unreal from the all-star break, San D seem to have really shit their knickers, important last road trip coming up for the Giants, hope they can keep the momentum and finish well and reach 1st post-season post bonds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2010, 09:38:39 AM
Lads, that QB from Reno will not even be a finalist in the Heisman. Just because the commisioner of the conference he plays in says that he should be does not make it so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: NAG1 on September 21, 2010, 11:28:17 AM
Denver Broncos wide receiver McKinley found dead

McKinley was on injured reserve in December after suffering a knee injury Denver Broncos wide receiver Kenny McKinley has been found dead in his home in an apparent suicide, police in the US state of Colorado have said.

Arapahoe County Sheriff Grayson Robinson said authorities were called to McKinley's house in Centennial on Monday and found his body in a bedroom.

He said detectives believed the 23-year-old had shot himself.

McKinley, a fifth-round pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, played in eight games with the Broncos as a rookie.

He was placed on injured reserve in December after suffering a knee injury.

"Everyone with the Broncos is shocked and saddened by the loss of Kenny McKinley," team president Pat Bowlen said.

"He was part of the Broncos family and will be greatly missed by our organisation. My most heartfelt condolences go out to Kenny's family and friends," he added.

In January 2007, Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams was killed in a drive-by shooting. Three months later, back-up running back Damien Nash collapsed and died after a charity basketball game in St Louis.


Some serious bad luck surrounding them lately! Very sad waste of a young life!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 04:39:07 PM
Moving on AZ.. :)

Great game at Candlestick Park in the bay last night. After a very shaky start, the 9ers showed great resilience to get back in the game - and then hold the saints on three goal line attempts late in the 4th which would have killed the game. Alex Smith showed a great arm, great speed - and most importantly great decision making to drive the 9ers down field for the game tieing TD and 2 point conversion.

What can you say about Brees and the Saints offence though - 1.40 on the clock and the saints go marching in. Screwey field goal attempt - but it went through the sticks.


#80 was retired last night. Proper order.

Very sad about the Denver Receiver.

What about Randy Moss' one handed catch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FM2iRLV8BI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FM2iRLV8BI)

And Troy Polamalu's tackle over the entire offensive line!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyzASDVpwU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyzASDVpwU)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2010, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 04:39:07 PM
Moving on AZ.. :)



OK, but I get the last word because you did the smiley thing. This is from Ivan Maisel, the ESPNU analyst for college football. He's not right all the time, so there might be a margin for error, but there's some distance between his rankings for the Heisman and the commisioner of the WAC :)


Mark Ingram among Heisman favorites

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Your parents' generation never trusted anyone over 30. Everything happens faster these days. The Heisman Trophy no longer trusts anyone over 21. The past three winners -- Tim Tebow of Florida, Sam Bradford of Oklahoma and Mark Ingram of Alabama -- hoisted the 25-pound keepsake in their sophomore season.

Ingram is the 19th underclassman to win the Heisman. Only one of them, Archie Griffin of Ohio State, won another. Ingram's journey to join Griffin won't be easy, if the journeys of his predecessors are any measure. Expectations for Ingram will be higher -- after all, he won a Heisman.

There's also the very real possibility that none of these 20 for '10 Heisman contenders will win. Ingram surely wasn't on anyone's short list of contenders last season. Heisman voters always have taken into consideration the success of a player and his team. The voters seem less concerned with how he performed in prior seasons.

If you're looking for a fourth consecutive sophomore to win the Heisman, listed below are four -- quarterbacks Landry Jones of Oklahoma and Andrew Luck of Stanford, and tailbacks Dion Lewis of Pittsburgh and LaMichael James of Oregon. There are no freshmen on this list. The next freshman to win the Heisman will be the first.


1. Mark Ingram, Alabama: The fireplug junior will try to join Archie Griffin as the only two-time Heisman winners. The running back has the talent to do it and the blockers around him.

2. Jake Locker, Washington: The NFL loves the quarterback's skills. The Dawg fans just love him. The Heisman voters won't love this senior unless the Huskies return to the winning ways of yore.

3. Terrelle Pryor, Ohio State: If the junior QB plays in the rest of 2010 the way that he played on Jan. 1 in the Rose Bowl, then he will attend the Heisman ceremony in December.

4. Christian Ponder, Florida State: A new era in Tallahassee begins with an old quarterback. The Seminoles will return to relevance on this senior's experience and live arm.

5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State: The junior running back import from Texas has been so entertaining and effective that the Pac-10 tried to recruit four teams from the state.

6. Evan Royster, Penn State: A veteran line and a young quarterback translate into a lot of responsibility -- and opportunity -- for this senior running back.

7. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas: The best arm west of Stephen Strasburg will lead the Hogs' attempt to dethrone Alabama. But the Arkansas defense has to do its part, too.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2010, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 04:39:07 PM
Moving on AZ.. :)



OK, but I get the last word because you did the smiley thing. This is from Ivan Maisel, the ESPNU analyst for college football. He's not right all the time, so there might be a margin for error, but there's some distance between his rankings for the Heisman and the commisioner of the WAC :)


Mark Ingram among Heisman favorites

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Maisel By Ivan Maisel
ESPN.com
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Your parents' generation never trusted anyone over 30. Everything happens faster these days. The Heisman Trophy no longer trusts anyone over 21. The past three winners -- Tim Tebow of Florida, Sam Bradford of Oklahoma and Mark Ingram of Alabama -- hoisted the 25-pound keepsake in their sophomore season.

Ingram is the 19th underclassman to win the Heisman. Only one of them, Archie Griffin of Ohio State, won another. Ingram's journey to join Griffin won't be easy, if the journeys of his predecessors are any measure. Expectations for Ingram will be higher -- after all, he won a Heisman.

There's also the very real possibility that none of these 20 for '10 Heisman contenders will win. Ingram surely wasn't on anyone's short list of contenders last season. Heisman voters always have taken into consideration the success of a player and his team. The voters seem less concerned with how he performed in prior seasons.

If you're looking for a fourth consecutive sophomore to win the Heisman, listed below are four -- quarterbacks Landry Jones of Oklahoma and Andrew Luck of Stanford, and tailbacks Dion Lewis of Pittsburgh and LaMichael James of Oregon. There are no freshmen on this list. The next freshman to win the Heisman will be the first.



The last words are still yours.  :-X ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2010, 06:07:49 PM
Very good :D Still doesn't change the fact that your boy will still be a 'Who??' in December.

Mark Ingram does play for Alabama you know :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 21, 2010, 06:12:04 PM
Notre Dame vs Navy switched to Landsdowne Ro Aviva Stadium


http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/27657/aviva-stadium-to-host-navy-notre-dame
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2010, 06:17:39 PM
Good. Croker was going to be way too big for that, and the pitch was also too big. The Aviva should be fine. Lansdowne was perfect for Pitt-Rutgers or BC-Army that I was at as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 21, 2010, 06:18:46 PM
Full of news today  :D



Broken Leg Bush  :(

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5598337

Braylon Edwards done for driving while intoxicated

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/21/jets-braylon-edwards- busted-for-dwi-in-nyc/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 06:23:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2010, 06:07:49 PM
Very good :D Still doesn't change the fact that your boy will still be a 'Who??' in December.

Mark Ingram does play for Alabama you know :D

That is very harsh! I am surprised at you.

That is too bad about Bush - he was playing a blinder last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 21, 2010, 06:18:46 PM
Full of news today  :D



Broken Leg Bush  :(

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5598337

Braylon Edwards done for driving while intoxicated

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/21/jets-braylon-edwards- busted-for-dwi-in-nyc/

f**k him - what a prat. You have to feel sorry for these mega stars all right

"The Player Protect program is in place for our organization to prevent this situation. Braylon is aware of this program and showed poor judgment."


::)
Title: Poss NSFW or at least not good for Gab's heart
Post by: passedit on September 22, 2010, 03:59:44 PM
http://www.lflus.com (http://www.lflus.com)

Didnt know whether to put this here or in the WTF thread.

latest scores

http://www.philly.com/philly/photos/sports_photos/Passion_60_Charm_6.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/photos/sports_photos/Passion_60_Charm_6.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 22, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
an old warning about women appearing on my screen in their smalls might have been nice
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: passedit on September 22, 2010, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 22, 2010, 04:04:51 PM
an old warning about women appearing on my screen in their smalls might have been nice

Sorry Gab. Legitimate sport so never thought
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 22, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
Sky sports is going free to air from 6am sunday coming till 6am monday morning. This is great as they are showing the Falcons @ Saints. Someone up there likes me. Still don't want to shell out for Sky SPorts though. We have the VirginMedia thing which is shite for TV but internet is decent.

Anyone using NFL field pass, think its worth the money?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 22, 2010, 09:16:07 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 21, 2010, 06:27:58 PM"The Player Protect program is in place for our organization to prevent this situation. Braylon is aware of this program and showed poor judgment."

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/09/2528_la.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 22, 2010, 09:26:02 PM
Talk about designated drivers!! Edwards is some head the ball in fairness, but sure we said that when he was traded last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 22, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 22, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
Sky sports is going free to air from 6am sunday coming till 6am monday morning. This is great as they are showing the Falcons @ Saints. Someone up there likes me. Still don't want to shell out for Sky SPorts though. We have the VirginMedia thing which is shite for TV but internet is decent.

Anyone using NFL field pass, think its worth the money?

Me!

It's excellent. I watch any game I want, and can switch between all of the games when I want.

They're all in HD, I just connect the laptop up to my TV and watch on that. Also all of the games are archived, so I can watch the Sunday night game on Monday evening after work, and the Monday night game on Tuesday evening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 23, 2010, 09:07:27 AM
This is excellent. I never knew Peyton Manning had it in him :D

http://www.hulu.com/watch/1603/saturday-night-live-united-way (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1603/saturday-night-live-united-way)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 23, 2010, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 22, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 22, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
Sky sports is going free to air from 6am sunday coming till 6am monday morning. This is great as they are showing the Falcons @ Saints. Someone up there likes me. Still don't want to shell out for Sky SPorts though. We have the VirginMedia thing which is shite for TV but internet is decent.

Anyone using NFL field pass, think its worth the money?

Me!

It's excellent. I watch any game I want, and can switch between all of the games when I want.

They're all in HD, I just connect the laptop up to my TV and watch on that. Also all of the games are archived, so I can watch the Sunday night game on Monday evening after work, and the Monday night game on Tuesday evening.

Can you give me more info mcgrens. It sounds very good the way you describe it. How much does it cost? Will it costs less if purchased mid season I wonder? Is the feed smooth and without lag?
its something I'd definitely consider getting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 23, 2010, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: The Claw on September 23, 2010, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 22, 2010, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 22, 2010, 08:14:54 PM
Sky sports is going free to air from 6am sunday coming till 6am monday morning. This is great as they are showing the Falcons @ Saints. Someone up there likes me. Still don't want to shell out for Sky SPorts though. We have the VirginMedia thing which is shite for TV but internet is decent.

Anyone using NFL field pass, think its worth the money?

Me!

It's excellent. I watch any game I want, and can switch between all of the games when I want.

They're all in HD, I just connect the laptop up to my TV and watch on that. Also all of the games are archived, so I can watch the Sunday night game on Monday evening after work, and the Monday night game on Tuesday evening.

Can you give me more info mcgrens. It sounds very good the way you describe it. How much does it cost? Will it costs less if purchased mid season I wonder? Is the feed smooth and without lag?
its something I'd definitely consider getting

I had it last season. The picture quality is excellent. Not cheap though. Not sure what the price is this season though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 23, 2010, 04:14:07 PM
Claw - https://gamepass.nfl.com/nflgp/secure/registerform

It is free this weekend, but you need to cancel before 30th September or you will get charged for the full season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 25, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
Great college game in progress between #10 Arkansas and #1 Alabama down in Arkansas. Arkansas lead 17-7 just before the half. Great standard though.

That Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett throws a hell of a ball. NFL quality without a doubt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on September 25, 2010, 10:40:30 PM
I see UCLA (1-2) are 20-3 up against #7 Texas (3-0) in Austin. That'd be a huge shock.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 25, 2010, 11:20:54 PM
I am flipping thru Alabama vs Arkansas, ND vs Stanfordand UCLA vs Texas

UCLA blowing out Texas

Stanford in control of ND

Arkansas beating The Tide and a helluva game with 14 min left

Could be a huge upset     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyY8oUXaTio&feature=related
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on September 26, 2010, 12:00:02 AM
UCLA 34 - 12 Texas

Match stats were absolutely mad for the Bruins. 264 rushing yards to just 26 yards passing. Thats 55 rushing attempts to just 9 pass attempts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 26, 2010, 12:02:36 AM
Crimson Tide wins, Razorbacks QB gave it to them with the last 2 INT.

Good game overall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 26, 2010, 02:09:50 AM
Waiting on Boise and the over for a nice lifter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 26, 2010, 03:32:22 AM
Good game so far.
16 point spread over/under 56
oregan st 17
Boise 31

Boise running back Avery is some piece of work.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 26, 2010, 03:37:58 AM
Beavers back in it, shite!
24-31
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 26, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
Just for Puck

Nevada ranked in AP Poll for first time since 1948

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_sp_co_ap_po/fbc_t25_college_fb_poll
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 08:49:29 PM
Singletary and his staff have got to go  >:(. 0-3 start  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 26, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 08:49:29 PM
Singletary and his staff have got to go  >:(. 0-3 start  :(

That's a big shock. I dropped Matt Cassell from Fantasy Football team and he has thrown for 3 tds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 08:56:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 26, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 08:49:29 PM
Singletary and his staff have got to go  >:(. 0-3 start  :(

That's a big shock. I dropped Matt Cassell from Fantasy Football team and he has thrown for 3 tds.

Cassel has been fantastic. 49ers offensive line has been pathetic. Didn't understand some of the play calling either, IMO the blame doesn't go to smith today. And with the falcons and eagles next could be an 0-5 start :-\. Chiefs 3-0 start maybe an even bigger shock!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 26, 2010, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 08:49:29 PM
Singletary and his staff have got to go  >:(. 0-3 start  :(

Understatement of the year for me, I am in a FFL at 200.00 per team and they have -45 pts for me today!!!

Fourth ranked D preseason my ass  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 26, 2010, 09:02:38 PM
McCluster is developing into a key offensive playmaker for the chiefs and a boost for my fantasy team as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 26, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
Saints vs Falcons going to OT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 26, 2010, 09:37:48 PM
anyone any links to raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 26, 2010, 09:37:48 PM
anyone any links to raiders game?

www.atdhe.net
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 26, 2010, 10:19:09 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 26, 2010, 09:37:48 PM
anyone any links to raiders game?

www.atdhe.net

Tried it but link wouldn't work. Got a veetle stream on myp2p which is pretty good.

good game so far 17-13 to the cards just into the 2nd
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 10:20:29 PM
Matt Cain going for a no-hitter against Rockies top of the 8th atm!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 26, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
Anyone notice that the guy leading the Skysports fantasy league's name is Sean Boylan, and his team name is Meath.   :)

Great win for the Falcons today, lucky but so what. mike smith's play calling still a bit strange at times but we got the win, beat the champs and are in a good position to win the NFC South as the Bucs and Panthers are looking poor enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 26, 2010, 10:31:14 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 26, 2010, 10:29:00 PM
Anyone notice that the guy leading the Skysports fantasy league's name is Sean Boylan, and his team name is Meath.   :)

Great win for the Falcons today, lucky but so what. mike smith's play calling still a bit strange at times but we got the win, beat the champs and are in a good position to win the NFC South as the Bucs and Panthers are looking poor enough.

Should have an easy win next week anyway juice the way things are going :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 26, 2010, 10:33:40 PM
Chargers fumbling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 26, 2010, 11:09:58 PM
17-0 down. Nightmare. Fumbles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 27, 2010, 12:19:32 AM
20-20. 6 mins left.

Last last play saw Rivers throw a TD only for it to be overruled, so he threw another one. Then he threw for a 2-point conversion - got it - overruled - got it again.

Seattle return the punt for a 99-yard TD!

20-27.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 27, 2010, 12:36:38 AM
Still 20-27. 2 mins. Seattle pinned back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 27, 2010, 12:38:18 AM
Last play probably. Chargers around midfield. First down. 90 seconds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 27, 2010, 12:42:47 AM
Feck feck feck, Raiders do everything right then miss a simple FG to win at the death  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 27, 2010, 12:43:05 AM
Seahawks hold on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 27, 2010, 08:54:53 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 27, 2010, 12:42:47 AM
Feck feck feck, Raiders do everything right then miss a simple FG to win at the death  >:(

Feck...the one Raiders' player you can usually rely on as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 27, 2010, 05:51:46 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 26, 2010, 08:45:00 PM
Just for Puck

Nevada ranked in AP Poll for first time since 1948

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100926/ap_on_sp_co_ap_po/fbc_t25_college_fb_poll

Big news in Nevada this weekend for sure. I don't care what AZ says about the Nevada WAC schedule - going into BYU and coming out with a win is a big statement for a smaller school. 4-0 - hopefully no slip ups (especially against Vegas) and thanksgiving weekend in Reno against Boise should be a cracker with both teams perhaps undefeated.

While its nice to have that national ranking - I am sure the team knows it can count for shag all unless you build on it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 28, 2010, 09:38:09 AM
Massive win for da Bears on Monday night. Only 3-0 side in the NFC and a crucial win against a division rival. Still no running game but the D is looking like its old self (even if I lost worried pre-game and changed horses this week in fantasy - luckily it didn't cost me). Brian Urlacher was some loss last season, awesome and Peppers is a huge addition.

Big game next week at NYG. Neither team will be able to run the ball in that one either so should be a contest between Culter and Manning and the opposing defenses.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 29, 2010, 06:26:01 PM
I'm neither a GB or Bears fan but frig it was a great game to watch. Have some mates flying over later this year to go to the Bears Vikings (think its nov) in Chicago.

I expect the Bears to beat the NYG - all in all its been a very interesting opening 3 weeks!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 02, 2010, 10:36:42 AM
Jees the 49ers are in a bad way, and just at the right time too!!!  :)

Singletary fired his OC and will be running the Offence himself this weekend. I was worried about a backlash from them this week but with that news, that backlash might take a while yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 04, 2010, 01:40:30 AM
Ahem. 5-0 and #21 in the nation...

Not bad on a WAC schedule AZ? :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 04, 2010, 01:54:00 AM
College football was immense this weekend. First season really watching it and I'm addicted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 04, 2010, 03:01:50 AM
This Giants/Bears game is just flat out ugly.

Bears have been sacked nine times in the first half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 04, 2010, 04:38:56 AM
Giants win 17-3. Very good defensive play from both teams, but the Bears offensive line is terrible. How did the Bears manage to beat The Cowboys and Packers???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 04, 2010, 06:26:38 AM
KC chiefs now the only undefeated team in the league...

D'you think they'll rest their starters in week 17?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 04, 2010, 07:31:08 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 04, 2010, 04:38:56 AM
Giants win 17-3. Very good defensive play from both teams, but the Bears offensive line is terrible. How did the Bears manage to beat The Cowboys and Packers???

They played better, Packers had 15 or 17 penalties, Cowboys are still not "clicking"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 04, 2010, 09:12:24 AM
I would think that Bears o-line coach Mike Tice will have some explaining to do today!
Giants tore them apart while Cutler didn't seem to realise that the best thing to do was to get rid of the football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 04, 2010, 10:09:23 AM
For one of the sacks they has Greg Olsen, a tight end known mainly for his receptions, blocking Osi Umenyiora! Like that's going to work!

So 2 QB's bashed up it could be that 3rd string guy Caleb Hanie leads the offence next week.

I was actually hoping the Bears would get to punt on each possession as I felt there was more chance of the defense getting a score than the offense! Terrible, terrible offensive line and unlike in Dallas they didn't make any telling adjustments to help matters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 04, 2010, 08:09:30 PM
49ers 14-0 up and beat 14-16, dire straights at the min, good thing the giants are in the post season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 04, 2010, 09:58:49 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 04, 2010, 08:09:30 PM
49ers 14-0 up and beat 14-16, dire straights at the min, good thing the giants are in the post season.

Gutted after that loss last night. Have completely lost faith in that team with Smith at QB. Still only 2 games back in the division somehow so a win on SNF against the eagles - (minus Michael Vick?) could spark something (with an easier schedule coming up) but I'm not holding out any hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on October 05, 2010, 02:26:48 PM
Is there no college football on ESPN America this weekend, because they're showing baseball?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 05, 2010, 04:39:48 PM
Anybody notice the name of the team leading the skysports fantasy NFL draft was given during Sundays game there as Meath and the managers name was supposed to be Sean Boylan, no guarantee the names even right mind but made me chuckle about how good a manager the man must be
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 05, 2010, 04:58:37 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 05, 2010, 04:39:48 PM
Anybody notice the name of the team leading the skysports fantasy NFL draft was given during Sundays game there as Meath and the managers name was supposed to be Sean Boylan, no guarantee the names even right mind but made me chuckle about how good a manager the man must be

i had noticed the meath was leading allright didbn't catch the managers name though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2010, 01:22:33 AM
Randy Moss back to the Vikings is pretty much a done deal tonight apparently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: johnneycool on October 06, 2010, 10:27:47 AM
well will the Red Sox owners get their hands on team Liverpool or will Hicks and Gilette hold onto their 'investment'??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 06, 2010, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2010, 01:22:33 AM
Randy Moss back to the Vikings is pretty much a done deal tonight apparently.

Glad to see it, I starting supporting the Vikings around the time Moss was drafted and his name adorns the only NFL top I own.  Will be useful for the Vikings to as Berrian had what 3 catches through the two defeats and two of Favre's interceptions came of throws that he should have at least challenged for in the Dolphins game.  In the absence of Rice the Vikings really do need someone who can open up the field, Berrian can't and Harvin whilst good isnt that sort of player.  That said the presence of Moss may take away from AP's game was has been back toward its best this season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 06, 2010, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 06, 2010, 11:33:19 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 06, 2010, 01:22:33 AM
Randy Moss back to the Vikings is pretty much a done deal tonight apparently.

Glad to see it, I starting supporting the Vikings around the time Moss was drafted and his name adorns the only NFL top I own.  Will be useful for the Vikings to as Berrian had what 3 catches through the two defeats and two of Favre's interceptions came of throws that he should have at least challenged for in the Dolphins game.  In the absence of Rice the Vikings really do need someone who can open up the field, Berrian can't and Harvin whilst good isnt that sort of player.  That said the presence of Moss may take away from AP's game was has been back toward its best this season

3rd round pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 07, 2010, 12:45:46 AM
Roy Halliday just after completing a no hitter for the Phillies in their first post season game.  Long time since it has been done in post season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 07, 2010, 12:56:28 AM
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Have had the priviledge of watching him live for the last seven years.

Only other no-hitter in postseason was in 1956
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 07, 2010, 01:01:44 AM
Comes across as a nice person alright in his interview.  Just caught the last three innings but he looked good.  Thats his second this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 07, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
Brett Favre - you silly silly man  :D :D :D :D

you'll see what I mean if you go to deadspin.com

It will include NSFW pictures
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 07, 2010, 10:39:00 PM
Doubtful if its him.
By the way it should be NSFW/M (men)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 07, 2010, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 07, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
Brett Favre - you silly silly man  :D :D :D :D

you'll see what I mean if you go to deadspin.com

It will include NSFW pictures

That all ame out in August, but the girl refused to release the actual messages.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2010, 10:53:37 PM
I think Stew is behind it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 09, 2010, 11:58:08 PM
HOW ABOUT THEM COCKS!!!

South Carolina Gamecocks beat Alabama 35-21 :o

And them the Flying Illini beat Papa Joe and Penn St  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 10, 2010, 01:01:57 AM
Should make the Buckeyes #1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 10, 2010, 09:45:53 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 07, 2010, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 07, 2010, 10:33:35 PM
Brett Favre - you silly silly man  :D :D :D :D

you'll see what I mean if you go to deadspin.com

It will include NSFW pictures

That all ame out in August, but the girl refused to release the actual messages.

For the record I saw Jenn Sterger for the first time this morning (at least the first time that I actually knew her name), and it has to be said, she's a stunner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 10, 2010, 01:38:09 PM
At Mass this morning the Priest was as excites as a child on Christmas morning.
Was invited to say Mass for the Vikings tomorrow before the Jets game.
He is a huge Vikings fan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on October 10, 2010, 07:08:36 PM
Giants are pilling it on early i see
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 10, 2010, 09:52:24 PM
Chargers killing themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 10, 2010, 09:56:21 PM
Mental stuff in the black hole.

Chargers have two Red Zone turnovers, and have had two punts blocked for a TD and a safety. San Diego have now just turned the ball back over one play after turning it over themselves.

Oakland now challenging the fumble as it look like Gradkowski may have thrown it when he was about to be hit.

It's all happening! What game is on Sky?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 10, 2010, 10:03:01 PM
Raiders v Chargers on Sky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 10, 2010, 10:28:24 PM
Normal service resumed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 10, 2010, 10:28:45 PM
Rivers turning the screw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 10, 2010, 10:42:37 PM
Chargers are fairly shit on the road this year. They should be hammering sides like the Raiders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 10, 2010, 10:52:19 PM
Rivers has nearly 300 yards passing in the first half, that is incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 10, 2010, 10:56:05 PM
Their defence seems to be easy to penetrate when the throw has been made. Run at the Chargers and you've a good chance of making serious ground. Also, they appear to incur an awful lot of penalties for silly things like running out of time on a Down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 11, 2010, 12:00:51 AM
Sky Sports commentators don't seem to know the rules.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 11, 2010, 12:31:57 AM
3 mins for the Chargers to save the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2010, 01:09:50 AM
Chargers really messed up on stupid plays in that game, blocked punts, fumbles recovered for touchdowns etc. They did a lot of the work for Oakland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2010, 04:02:13 AM
49 ers are falling apart after a good start. Rookie Brandon Graham forced a fumble from Alex Smith that was returned for a touchdown to put the Eagles in control in the fourth quarter.

The crowd are booing and chanting for Carr. I felt Sean Hill was a better player than smity, he may not have the natural talent but he knowshow to play and win a game.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2010, 04:16:51 AM
That turned around pretty quickly. After a row with Singletary Smith retakes the field and combining with Davis drives the ball down the field for a td. They should have been throwing to Davis all night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 11, 2010, 03:49:49 PM
Number 19 in the nation in the AP poll after a sloppy win against San Jose. Setting up nicely for a big showdown with Boise the day after thanksgiving.

The trailerhome has been rented and a full day of festivities at the tail gate planned. Only concern know is that the tickets next to mine are going for 1000$ on stubhub.com already. Im thinking if someone wants to pay me $2000 they can take the tickets and I will watch it on the tv in the trailer!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 11, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
whats happening the saints this year.  every game has been very close. some they have just managed to scrape a win and some they have blown in the last quarter. Reggie bush is obviously a big loss but i expected more.

No stand out teams as of yet really.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 11, 2010, 05:01:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 11, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
whats happening the saints this year.  every game has been very close. some they have just managed to scrape a win and some they have blown in the last quarter. Reggie bush is obviously a big loss but i expected more.

Their defence is not really that great but last year they were making big plays which helped them win some games. They haven't really managed that so far this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 11, 2010, 05:02:19 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 11, 2010, 04:57:51 PM
whats happening the saints this year.  every game has been very close. some they have just managed to scrape a win and some they have blown in the last quarter. Reggie bush is obviously a big loss but i expected more.

No stand out teams as of yet really.

First time in 40 years there is no 4-0 team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 12, 2010, 02:11:11 AM
45 minute rain delay to the Viking Jets game, it will be a long night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 12, 2010, 02:18:16 AM
Randy Moss to Brett Farve for a 10 yard pass completion.


No - I didnt mix the order up!  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 12, 2010, 05:54:52 AM
What a mess of a game that was. The Vikings have lost another game they should have won imho. The offense didn't show up in the first half and were 15-0 down before they got going late in the game. I am getting worried now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 12, 2010, 07:02:33 AM
Finally the Raiders learn to close a game out. But for a FG 2 weeks ago that would be made 99/100 time we could be 3-2. Maybe this is the game JC needed to get some confidence. 2 80/90yd drives for TDs.

Improvement

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 12, 2010, 08:45:12 AM
Was nice to see Campbell do well as he was terrible under pressure with the Redskins and when he lost his job to Gradkowski i'm sure his confidence was shot to bits.
The Raiders are getting better and hopefully they will be back challenging in the next few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 17, 2010, 06:43:36 PM
Chargers struggling on the road again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 17, 2010, 07:33:47 PM
They will still come back and beat the Rams??? Rivers often takes time to get warmed up.

17-3 down at half time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 17, 2010, 08:05:28 PM
Making a fist of it anyway. 17-10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 17, 2010, 08:51:55 PM
Thoughts and prayers for Eric LeGrand. Horrific stuff.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/news/story?id=5696563 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/news/story?id=5696563)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 17, 2010, 09:05:21 PM
Another defeat. Big winning streak needed. They normally do that but look weaker all-round this year. Post LT era looking bleak.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 17, 2010, 09:16:28 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 17, 2010, 09:05:21 PM
Another defeat. Big winning streak needed. They normally do that but look weaker all-round this year. Post LT era looking bleak.

Under-rated loss for the Chargers this Off Season- Kasim Osgood. He was the gunner on kick returns, the leading special teams tackler, and the AFC All Star special teamer for the last two years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 17, 2010, 09:24:34 PM
Good stop from the niners need to get it going on offense now. Must win game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 17, 2010, 10:09:08 PM
Lads anyone else received their tickets for the Wembely game yet.  Going by Ticketmaster mine have been in the 'process of being printed' for the last week and a half now but still no tickets.  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hoof Hearted on October 17, 2010, 10:12:02 PM
Liverpool beat 2-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bogball XV on October 17, 2010, 11:58:25 PM
anyone watching that minnesota v dallas game?  Dallas have the ball and are 4 and 5 with 2 mins 40 left in the 4th, they're back on their own 25yd line, then they punt??  I didn't hear any of the commentary explaining the decision, but it seems ridiculous to me - surely they'd have been much better off taking a chance?  How likely are they to get another shot at it really?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 18, 2010, 12:11:33 AM
Stick a fork in Dallas... They are done. Dez Bryant is a great prospect, but the Cowboys failure to address their aging O-line in the off season, and the abject failure of their 2009 draft class are coming back to haunt them now.

Wade or Norv to be fired first?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 18, 2010, 05:03:49 AM
Quote from: Bogball XV on October 17, 2010, 11:58:25 PM
anyone watching that minnesota v dallas game?  Dallas have the ball and are 4 and 5 with 2 mins 40 left in the 4th, they're back on their own 25yd line, then they punt??  I didn't hear any of the commentary explaining the decision, but it seems ridiculous to me - surely they'd have been much better off taking a chance?  How likely are they to get another shot at it really?

They did get another shot at it with 13 seconds left but it wasn't enough. I don't really understand the decision not to go for it on fourth down either. They ran out of time in the end.

Still, a vital win for the Vikings and the cowboys aren't out of it yet. The Bears and Packers also lost today which helps as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 18, 2010, 09:54:55 AM
The problem for Dallas was if they turned it over on downs the Vikings were starting in field goal range and would almost certainly require the cowboys to grab a touchdown to win the game on the last drive. Even if they had got it on fourth down and ended up scoring the vikings would have gotten the ball back with timeouts remaining. Alternatively if they could force the Vikings to go three and out Dallas would have gotten the ball back at around the two minute warning and could have had the last crack at a score.

Glad to see the Vikings get back in the mix in the NFC east which has been surprisingly poor given preseason predictions. The cowboys are in big trouble now in a big hole in a tough division
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bogball XV on October 18, 2010, 10:24:55 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 18, 2010, 09:54:55 AM
The problem for Dallas was if they turned it over on downs the Vikings were starting in field goal range and would almost certainly require the cowboys to grab a touchdown to win the game on the last drive. Even if they had got it on fourth down and ended up scoring the vikings would have gotten the ball back with timeouts remaining. Alternatively if they could force the Vikings to go three and out Dallas would have gotten the ball back at around the two minute warning and could have had the last crack at a score.

Glad to see the Vikings get back in the mix in the NFC east which has been surprisingly poor given preseason predictions. The cowboys are in big trouble now in a big hole in a tough division
I just think that far too many american football coaches are far too conservative, the have a playbook telling them what to do in every situation, when maybe a new approach would gain a bit more success.
The best they could have done was get the ball back with about a 1 min 40 left and no timeouts, more than likely they'd be on their own endline (or whatever it's called in NFL), so they were pretty much beat anyway?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 18, 2010, 11:15:36 AM
Dallas don't do themselves any favours with their penalty count,was very costly last night and also cost them dearly against the Redskins in week 1.Can't say i have much sympathy for them though.
Good game between the Redskins and Colts,Skins could have won it on that last play but it was a great interception.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 18, 2010, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 18, 2010, 09:54:55 AM
Glad to see the Vikings get back in the mix in the NFC east which has been surprisingly poor given preseason predictions. The cowboys are in big trouble now in a big hole in a tough division

the Vikings moved divisions now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 18, 2010, 04:22:40 PM
The NFL is amazingly open this year. There doesn't seem to be any stand out team or couple of teams. You could probably make a decent case for anywhere up to 8 teams being genuine Superbowl contenders. Of course there is still time for someone to go on a run yet and seperate themselves from the pack a little.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on October 18, 2010, 04:37:16 PM
Anyone else think Peyton Manning looks very shaky out there???
I know stats wise hes been very good this year,And at times he looks his usual self.
But he should have 3 interceptions in the first half against the Redskins,and he was piss poor against the Chiefs last week.
Who do you guys think the League MVP offensively and defensively is after 6 games?
Arion Foster (Offense)
Clay Matthews (Defense) for me,the Pack missed him greatly yesterday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 18, 2010, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 18, 2010, 04:22:40 PM
The NFL is amazingly open this year. There doesn't seem to be any stand out team or couple of teams. You could probably make a decent case for anywhere up to 8 teams being genuine Superbowl contenders. Of course there is still time for someone to go on a run yet and seperate themselves from the pack a little.

How bout Six-burgh? They're 4-1 having not had a proper QB for the first 4 games... And their loss was a last 20 second TD pass from Joe Flacco. They're strong in all phases of the game and I can see them kciking on now and ending up 13-3 or so.

As for MVP's

Offense: Antonio Gates has been unbelievable. He is the greatest TE of all time and I believe he'll break Gonzos records.

Defense: Hard to look past Polamalu just becaue of the huge difference his return has made to Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 18, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
Got myself two great tickets for tonights Yankee playoff game.  Sitting in section behind Texas bench.  Texas in all fairness should be 2 games up, they lost the first one after giving up a five run lead late in the game while They won Saturday comfortably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 18, 2010, 11:55:41 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 18, 2010, 08:33:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on October 18, 2010, 04:22:40 PM
The NFL is amazingly open this year. There doesn't seem to be any stand out team or couple of teams. You could probably make a decent case for anywhere up to 8 teams being genuine Superbowl contenders. Of course there is still time for someone to go on a run yet and seperate themselves from the pack a little.

How bout Six-burgh? They're 4-1 having not had a proper QB for the first 4 games... And their loss was a last 20 second TD pass from Joe Flacco. They're strong in all phases of the game and I can see them kciking on now and ending up 13-3 or so.

As for MVP's

Offense: Antonio Gates has been unbelievable. He is the greatest TE of all time and I believe he'll break Gonzos records.

Defense: Hard to look past Polamalu just becaue of the huge difference his return has made to Pittsburgh.

I think Pittsburgh are shaping up ominously alright. Defenses win championships they say. I like the Jets chances too. Think Sanchez has moved up a notch again this year and he has some serious weapons at his disposal with a rejuventated LT and Holmes back from injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2010, 05:27:21 AM
Yankees stuffed. Cliff Lee pitched eight innings allowing 2 runs and 12 strikouts.  away to bed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2010, 09:40:53 AM
Aloha Puck :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 19, 2010, 03:41:41 PM
FFS AZ, I'm on me holidays!!!

Seriously, I just logged onto the board to acknowledge the drop back to 28th in both polls, knowing full well you'd have something to say, but you got here before me!!

Well, the perfect season is gone. Worst first half I've seen in a long time. Did well to claw it back, just not enough. Bye week this week which they could use. Were still optimistic in NV.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 19, 2010, 06:54:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 18, 2010, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 18, 2010, 09:54:55 AM
Glad to see the Vikings get back in the mix in the NFC east which has been surprisingly poor given preseason predictions. The cowboys are in big trouble now in a big hole in a tough division

the Vikings moved divisions now?

Sorry for some reason I had Dallas' division in my head when writing that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2010, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 19, 2010, 03:41:41 PM
FFS AZ, I'm on me holidays!!!

Seriously, I just logged onto the board to acknowledge the drop back to 28th in both polls, knowing full well you'd have something to say, but you got here before me!!

Well, the perfect season is gone. Worst first half I've seen in a long time. Did well to claw it back, just not enough. Bye week this week which they could use. Were still optimistic in NV.

I'm only slagging Puck. They're having a great season and might well have a say in the national championship if they can trip Boise up.

Enjoy the holiday...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 19, 2010, 08:17:12 PM
Must win game for the giants tonight i think. Can't let the phillies gain all the momentum. Cain needs to have a good game because not much is happening on offense apart from an odd Homer here and there. Hopefully that will change tonight. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 22, 2010, 06:18:11 PM
Dallas Clark the Indianapolis Colts tight end is finsihed for the season. He has been put on IR and has to have wrist surgery. You can make the Steelers favorites for the super bowl at this point in the season and drop the Colts back into the pack.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 22, 2010, 06:42:47 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 22, 2010, 06:18:11 PM
Dallas Clark the Indianapolis Colts tight end is finsihed for the season. He has been put on IR and has to have wrist surgery. You can make the Steelers favorites for the super bowl at this point in the season and drop the Colts back into the pack.

huge loss for indiana , any one got the odds for the superbowl thinking of throwing a few bob on baltimore had a dream last night that they won :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 22, 2010, 06:47:17 PM
Try Vegas for the odds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on October 24, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
Giants headed to the world series  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 24, 2010, 05:42:52 PM
Big game the night, I am going to enjoy watching Brent trying to throw the ball to Moss and I expect Charles woodson to have a big game. Brent will try and throw aat Al harris if he plays as he has not played in almost a year and if he does manage to get the ball in there I  expect the vikings to win.

Favre will make it about him and hopefully he will feck this up, oh and for all you favre fans out there in gaaland, your hero is going to get suspended for sexually harassing Jets employees, jet favre my arse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 24, 2010, 09:50:20 PM
Harris won't play, the Packers are carrying too many injuries to stay competitive in this game. As long as the Vikings mind Jennings and Driver, they should win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 10:01:45 PM
Chargers making serious errors again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 24, 2010, 10:30:35 PM
Raiders beating Broncos 31-0


Edit - Now 38-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
Really painful watching the Chargers this year. Countless turnovers, penalties and errors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 24, 2010, 11:40:13 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
Really painful watching the Chargers this year. Countless turnovers, penalties and errors.

Another team comes to mind there :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 11:42:59 PM
What has happened from previous years?

Surely LT's loss hasn't knocked the confidence that badly?

They appear to be the most ill-disciplined team. Luckily, topping their division is still, remarkably, attainable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 24, 2010, 11:50:11 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on October 24, 2010, 05:05:21 AM
Giants headed to the world series  ;D

Can they handle Cliff Lee?

The guy is a relentless machine!!But maybe the Giants offense will be a bit better than the Yankees or the Rays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 24, 2010, 11:51:20 PM
Two shite teams coming to Wembley next week, at least it should be close and not the mismatch of last year. I have a spare ticket by the way.

Falcons are 5-2 leading the NFC. However the schedule this year is much more forgiving. Still not an explosive offence and Ryan is nowhere near an elite QB. On defence they are very suspect. So I predict winning the NFC South and maybe one win in the play-offs but that's the height of it. If we could get home-field advantage maybe, just maybe we might go a bit further.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 24, 2010, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 24, 2010, 09:50:20 PM
Harris won't play, the Packers are carrying too many injuries to stay competitive in this game. As long as the Vikings mind Jennings and Driver, they should win.

pat, the pack have lost to three teams by a combined 9 points, two in overtime, I fully expect the pack to win this game despite the injuries, it's gut check time and the pack will be very, very motivated to beat ten shades of shite out of the tube favre.

The old mudslinger is going to throw the ball all over the park but Woodson will pick him off twice, that is if he even throws it his way.

With Matthews back Brent wil be sacked three or four times, the claymaker is a beast and he will do serious damage.

Prediction, packers 27 queens 17.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 11:53:06 PM
Every week it takes River 3 quarters to have a go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 24, 2010, 11:57:05 PM
Try the short one again?

23-20
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 25, 2010, 12:07:10 AM
Cmon ye hoors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 25, 2010, 12:17:28 AM
Post denies the Chargers but why wait again til the last quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 25, 2010, 12:59:13 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 24, 2010, 11:51:20 PM
Two shite teams coming to Wembley next week, at least it should be close and not the mismatch of last year. I have a spare ticket by the way.

Falcons are 5-2 leading the NFC. However the schedule this year is much more forgiving. Still not an explosive offence and Ryan is nowhere near an elite QB. On defence they are very suspect. So I predict winning the NFC South and maybe one win in the play-offs but that's the height of it. If we could get home-field advantage maybe, just maybe we might go a bit further.

I actually saw the 49ers and Broncos play in a pre season games in candlestick park in 1992. 49ers won 13-7. The only NFL game I ever saw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2010, 09:07:53 PM
To mark the Giants getting to the world series, here's a surreal interview with their closer, Brian Wilson. He's a gas man I'd say, he's pulling the piss out of Rome, but comes off as a nutter.

http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/giants-closer-brian-wilson-jim-rome-ninja-video/ (http://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/giants-closer-brian-wilson-jim-rome-ninja-video/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 25, 2010, 11:20:43 PM
Heres another one  :D

http://www.casttv.com/video/b9hbnbh/brian-wilson-from-the-san-francisco-giants-on-the-jim-rome-show-10-15-2010-video
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 26, 2010, 06:54:13 AM
What day/time is the highlights show. Looking forward to seeing the Raiders match (for once)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 26, 2010, 11:13:43 AM
Cowboys are in deep s**t now,1-5 and looks like Romo is done for the season.Can't see Jerry Jones putting up with Wade Philips for much longer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 26, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
Thing is Jerry loves a puppet, and that's what Philips is to him. Having said that, he didn't get the superbowl in Dallas so he could be 1-5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 26, 2010, 01:56:20 PM
This is where drafting a wide receiver to show boat in a new billion dollar fantasy stadium gets you. You needed a left tackle Jerry and took Bryant at 24 instead of Bulaga at 23.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on October 26, 2010, 03:19:47 PM
Favre takes a big hit in practice.. Ouch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMywHFojUtY

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 28, 2010, 12:34:33 AM
Here we go  ;D hopefully Timmy can deliver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 28, 2010, 02:59:02 AM
Slow start port mor, going okay now although im watching bout 30mins delay. Lee looks solid though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 28, 2010, 04:00:11 AM
Jinxd him well there :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 28, 2010, 04:12:06 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 28, 2010, 02:59:02 AM
Slow start port mor, going okay now although im watching bout 30mins delay. Lee looks solid though.

Unbelivable how quick things can change. Now just need to see it out!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 28, 2010, 10:59:42 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on October 26, 2010, 11:13:43 AM
Cowboys are in deep s**t now,1-5 and looks like Romo is done for the season.Can't see Jerry Jones putting up with Wade Philips for much longer.


Wade is a balloon, he's a joke. Cowboys are screwed, now with Romo out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 30, 2010, 11:45:47 PM
Anyone have a stream for the World Series match 3?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 30, 2010, 11:59:42 PM
http://www.veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ccc99b64a521 (http://www.veetle.com/index.php/channel/view#4ccc99b64a521)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 31, 2010, 12:04:00 AM
adthe has a stream

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 31, 2010, 12:12:36 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 31, 2010, 12:04:00 AM
adthe has a stream

Cheers lads, yeah watchin it on thye atdhe stream, in-laws all big Giant fans so have to be seen to show an interest
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 31, 2010, 12:45:03 AM
Not a good start  :( 3 run homer by Moreland!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 31, 2010, 12:48:43 AM
Some bad bad calls  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2010, 11:12:49 PM
Chargers 8 up on Titans. 2 mins left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 31, 2010, 11:22:54 PM
Much needed win. Sproles and Gates came good at last.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 01, 2010, 12:07:30 AM
Vikings messed up again, didn't kick a field goal before half time which eventually allowed the Patriots to get away from them. The Vikings haven't played up to their ability this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2010, 09:52:43 AM
f**king Cards. Gave Tampa Bay a right run of it. Threw 2 pick 6s from Max Hall and still lost by 3 points. All the way down to the Buccs 6 yard line with just over 2 minutes left and Buccs with no timeouts left. Run the ball and make sure of the field goal, but probably get the TD and run down the clock? Makes sense right?

Eh, nope. Throw an Int instead and hand the win to Tampa. Stupid Derek Anderson. QB needed in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2010, 12:39:34 PM
Good win for the niners in London. Maybe Troy Smith should be the starter, and with Seahawks and Cardinals losing not out of the division yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 01, 2010, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2010, 12:39:34 PM
Good win for the niners in London. Maybe Troy Smith should be the starter, and with Seahawks and Cardinals losing not out of the division yet.

Smith is the only option now. Singletary has nothing to lose as he will be out of a job at the end of the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2010, 07:35:04 PM
Randy Moss waived by the vikings :o. Wonder who will sign him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
Randy Moss waived by Vikes! That homecoming didn't last long.

Edit: Snap.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 01, 2010, 08:30:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 01, 2010, 07:35:04 PM
Randy Moss waived by the vikings :o. Wonder who will sign him.

Hopefully someone with a decent QB who isn't f**king injured all the time.  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 01, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Caught the end of the Vikings game. Surely farve is fucked. The man is being held together with painkillers ffs that was some hit on him last night. Surprised it was only a cut chin. Thought his shoulder/collar bone was in danger there...

Brady came up with some big plays in that last quarters. Himself and welker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 02, 2010, 01:06:35 AM
Moss is being waived by the Vikings. It looks like the Vikings sesaon is falling apart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 02, 2010, 01:47:34 AM
Top of the 7th 3 run homer by renteria 3-0. Its close :-X
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 02, 2010, 01:48:43 AM
Lee should have pitched round him port mor, sweet, happy days
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 02, 2010, 01:54:08 AM
Not over yet, homer by Cruz 3-1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 02, 2010, 01:59:21 AM
prediction - the beard the hero
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 02, 2010, 02:31:31 AM
World Champions ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 02, 2010, 02:35:26 AM
Nice one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on November 02, 2010, 03:15:45 AM
  ;D.....can everyone say parteee 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 02, 2010, 02:41:12 PM
Randy Moss waived by the Vikes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 02, 2010, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 02, 2010, 01:06:35 AM
Moss is being waived by the Vikings. It looks like the Vikings sesaon is falling apart.

old news minder  ;) :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 02, 2010, 03:19:37 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 02, 2010, 02:49:40 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 02, 2010, 01:06:35 AM
Moss is being waived by the Vikings. It looks like the Vikings sesaon is falling apart.

old news minder  ;) :)

Didn't see that, my Gaa Board time is scarce during the day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2010, 09:04:13 PM
Tennessee Titans pick up Randy Moss off waivers. It'll be interesting to see if Fisher can handle him.

Also another headcase, Shawn Merriman was signed by the Bills after beign waived by the Chargers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 03, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
Merriman is still in his prime. A couple of years ago he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2010, 09:27:59 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 03, 2010, 09:22:54 PM
Merriman is still in his prime. A couple of years ago he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Too many injuries to be the same player, hasn't been te same since he fucked his knee (and hasn't been on the roids)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 03, 2010, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 03, 2010, 09:04:13 PM
Tennessee Titans pick up Randy Moss off waivers. It'll be interesting to see if Fisher can handle him.

Also another headcase, Shawn Merriman was signed by the Bills after beign waived by the Chargers.

The Titans were the only team who claimed him. That should send him a very loud and clear message that he needs to have a quiet, productive second half of the season if he wants to get paid in Free Agency.
Title: NFL Power Rankings
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2010, 09:15:09 AM
I wonder if we all did our power rankings (basically rank the NFL teams in what you consider the best order rather than according to record) what would they look like. The criteria basically boils down to... based on what you've seen this year so far, and the problems or strengths each team has, would you bet on team A to beat team B on a neutral field. You'd be saying that your #1 ranked team would beat every team below them more times than they'd lose to them. Start from #32 and work up.

#32 Arizona Cardinals
#31 San Francisco 49ers
#30 Carolina Panthers
#29 Cleveland Browns
#28 Denver Broncos
#27 Buffalo Bills
#26 Seattle Seahawks
#25 Oakland Raiders
#24 Dallas Cowboys
#23 Saint Louis Rams
#23 Chicago Bears
#21 Detroit Lions
#20 Cincinnati Bengals
#19 San Diego Chargers
#18 Washington Redskins
#17 Jacksonville Jaguars
#16 Minnesota Vikings
#15 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
#14 New York Giants
#13 New Orleans Saints
#12 Miami Dolphins
#11 Atlanta Falcons
#10 Kansas City Chiefs
#09 Houston Texans
#08 Tennessee Titans
#07 New York Jets
#06 Green Bay Packers
#05 Philadelphia Eagles
#04 Indianapolis Colts
#03 Pittsburgh Steelers
#02 New England Patriots
#01 Baltimore Ravens


















Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 05, 2010, 09:20:21 AM
Cardinals #32 because of the QB situation and how bad they have been performing? I think they could beat maybe 10 of them teams more times than not!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2010, 09:22:23 AM
Bills # 27 ? ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2010, 09:38:42 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 05, 2010, 09:20:21 AM
Cardinals #32 because of the QB situation and how bad they have been performing? I think they could beat maybe 10 of them teams more times than not!

Cardinals at 32 because right now I think they wouldn't beat eggs. They're fumbling, muffing punts, throwing interceptions and giving up big points tallies.

If they had a decent QB, not a Kurt Warner, but even an Alex Smith, I reckon they'd be about 25.

As for the Bills, they are the unluckiest winless team I've seen. They've just taken the Ravens and the Chiefs to overtime on the road. They've lost to the Dolphins by 5 and the Patriots on the road by 8. I don't think too many people around that number would have those results.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 05, 2010, 10:01:38 AM
I know the 49ers have been a mess but 31 is a bit low IMO. Lost to your num 5, 11 and 13 by 3 points or less. Haven't turned the ball over in 3 straight games. They just don't have the ability to close out games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2010, 10:10:54 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 05, 2010, 10:01:38 AM
I know the 49ers have been a mess but 31 is a bit low IMO. Lost to your num 5, 11 and 13 by 3 points or less. Haven't turned the ball over in 3 straight games. They just don't have the ability to close out games.

I'd be willing to move the niners up if they prove they can win games. Last week was a start. I just think Singletary is losing it/has lost it. I also don't trust Troy Smith yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 05, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
i think the giants are better than 14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2010, 11:20:45 AM
Who would you put them ahead of? Lets see yer rankings :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2010, 11:42:21 AM
# 32 Bills
# 31 Panthers
# 30 Niners
# 29 Broncos
# 28 Cardinals
# 27 Browns
# 26 Lions
# 25 Cowboys
# 24 Bengals
# 23 Rams
# 22 Jags
# 21 Seahawks
# 20 Vikings
# 19 Redskins
# 18 Raiders
# 17 Bears
# 16 Chargers
# 15 Bucs
# 14 Texans
# 13 Chiefs
# 12 Eagles
# 11 Saints
# 10 Packers
# 9 Falcons
# 8 Titans
# 7 Jets
# 6 Giants
# 5 Colts
# 4 Ravens
# 3 Steelers
# 2 Patriots

I forgot about the Dolphins, put them in at about 13 and Pats are #1.   
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2010, 06:45:24 PM
If San Diego make the playoffs Rivers HAS to be MVP, he has absolutely nobody to throw to, a mediocre D, and a Special Teams that is dropping him in a hole every single week, and he is playing absolutely LIGHTS OUT.

Unbelieveable today. He's making everyone around him so much better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 07:53:50 PM
Chargers have 5 blocked punts this season. That's the same as every other team combined.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 07, 2010, 07:57:23 PM
Detroit giving the Jets there fill of it! Turnovers proving costly. 
13 10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
Falcons finding it hard to shake off the Bucs. 27-21 to Atlanta at the end of the 3rd qtr. Looks like a class game, sadly I can't see it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
Browns kicking the Patriots up and down the field. Good stuff. 27-7 to Cleveland
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2010, 08:39:26 PM
Rivers again! Ajirotutu's second TD reception... Ajirowhowho?

Chargers by 6 on the 2point conversion! Great game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 08:42:39 PM
They'll not hold out the fruits.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 08:47:45 PM
Don't waste this. A three pointer and things are looking up.

That was a mad one by Houston.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2010, 08:50:28 PM
Houston come up short on 4th and short!!!

SD need a FG to go into the bye 4-5 with 4 divisional games to go and Naanee, Flloyd, Gates, and Jackson all due back!

Never thought Id say this but Im lookin for a Raidas win tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 08:52:29 PM
Well, that was a waste Rivers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 08:57:34 PM
Fcuk sake. They're gonna blow this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2010, 09:04:13 PM
Paul Oliver you beauty!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 07, 2010, 09:06:56 PM
2TD in 3.07 for vikings. 424 passing yards for Favre. 24-24
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 09:08:25 PM
4-5 gives them a fighting chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2010, 09:51:24 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 07, 2010, 09:08:25 PM
4-5 gives them a fighting chance.

Especially with both the Raiders and KC still to come to the Q.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 07, 2010, 10:02:34 PM
Ndamukong Suh, 307lb defensive tackle, attempted an extra point for Detroit after Hanson got hurt and he hit the post. Was costly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 07, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Collie in bad shape. Looks serious.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2010, 10:38:53 PM
Seahawks are f**king awful. Giants are 35-0 up and its not even half time. And its a home game for Seattle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 07, 2010, 10:58:44 PM
That is not funny, Eli Manning is beating me on his own in the fantasy footabll.

The Vikings after giving up 2 touchdowns on special teams and having an interception on the Arizona goal line survive to fight another day. Our luck could be turning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 07, 2010, 11:53:46 PM
Well I'll be darned, Michael Vick has passed for more yards than Peyton Manning and Manning has 1 INT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 08, 2010, 12:44:25 AM
Manning has 40 seconds to get it done though. He loves this situation
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 08, 2010, 12:48:32 AM
No good. Vick looked to have been excellent
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2010, 12:57:10 AM
NFL game centre were reporting that Janikowski had kicked a 96yd field goal. then they reduced it to 24, and then put it back up to 44. For a minute though I thought Seabass must have dislocated his leg with a monster kick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2010, 11:33:38 AM
Fecking Cardinals.

Weird kicking day yesterday. See Ndomakong Suh missed an extra point, but Wes Welker kicked one!

NFL Audio Pass is great. I got it at the start of the year as a budget alternative to paying to watch all the games. I get to listen to all of them for $39 for the year (It's half price now I think).

You get to listen to all games live or replayed, and can listen to either the home or away team broadcasts. The Dallas one is class this week, I'm listening to it now :)

It's a poor man's Game Pass, but it's very enjoyable listening to the broadcasts as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 08, 2010, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 07, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Collie in bad shape. Looks serious.

He got some belt. Word after was that it wasn't as bad as it looked thankfully.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2010, 11:52:11 AM
Think it's just concussion thankfully. He's supposed to be okay. Looked worrying though, he was very 'twitchy' after he got the hit.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2010, 06:36:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 08, 2010, 11:33:38 AM
Fecking Cardinals.

Weird kicking day yesterday. See Ndomakong Suh missed an extra point, but Wes Welker kicked one!

NFL Audio Pass is great. I got it at the start of the year as a budget alternative to paying to watch all the games. I get to listen to all of them for $39 for the year (It's half price now I think).

You get to listen to all games live or replayed, and can listen to either the home or away team broadcasts. The Dallas one is class this week, I'm listening to it now :)

It's a poor man's Game Pass, but it's very enjoyable listening to the broadcasts as well.

Just now that you mention it... Game pass if Half price right now... $60 for the remainder of the regular season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2010, 07:07:41 PM
McGrens is it not $130 for the remainder of the season?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2010, 08:38:47 PM
Wade Philips gone. Flew home last night on Jerry's private plane. I'd say he was nearly pegged out over Nebraska
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2010, 08:47:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 08, 2010, 07:07:41 PM
McGrens is it not $130 for the remainder of the season?

You know... its strange you should mention it... This is from the e-mail confirmation...

QuoteService:   NFL Game Pass (Game Pass Season Subscription)
Price:                   USD$129.99 USD$59.99

But upon checking my credit card it appears that I've been charged around 90-odd euro (the transaction isnt appearing online yet, but the remaining funds have gone down by about €90 I think). f**k it anyway, I only did it to avoid paying full price the rest of the way. I'm gonna have to go fight with them now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 08, 2010, 11:41:42 PM
Deion Sanders was laying alot of the blame on the players in Dallas rather than the coaches. I think he's right. The coaches aren't blameless but these players simply aren't playing the game hard enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 09, 2010, 10:28:34 AM
Canadian Jonathan Duhamel has won this years WSOP in vegas. Jackpot was a cool $8.94 m.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 11, 2010, 03:12:54 PM
Atlanta v's baltimore on sky sport 1 at 1am .  should be a good game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 12, 2010, 01:52:39 PM
What a win for the Falcons. I believe they are genuine contenders now. really happy with the spirit of the team. Mike SMith has them all pulling together. While they had a good record the losses to the Steelers and Eagles had me thinking they were going to make the play-offs and drop out early. But winning that game has shown they are genuine contenders and can bump shoulders with the bigger teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 12, 2010, 01:57:45 PM
Every week my Superbowl favourite changes. Don't know who it is now but Atlanta has to be seriously considered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 12, 2010, 02:23:38 PM
If the Falcons got homefield advantage in the NFC they would be hard to stop. I am not sure if I would trust them to win a big game on the road. It's not as if anyone is standing out in the NFC though, the Saints are still going to have a big say as they get Bush and Thomas back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 14, 2010, 09:16:00 PM
Jets Browns in a real dawg fight in Cleveland.  20-20 overtime, Cotchery makes a super catch just now to keep the jets alive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 14, 2010, 09:21:31 PM
Jets 48 yrd kick to win it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 14, 2010, 09:23:32 PM
f**k Folk! third miss of the day!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 14, 2010, 09:39:36 PM
Santonio Holmes TD with 16 secs of overtime left wins it for Jets. Good game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 14, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
Lovin Denver trouncing KC. If they keep this up it'll be one of the best bye weeks ever for SD!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 14, 2010, 10:14:28 PM
Niners offense playin well, giving up needless penaltys though :( 10-3 niners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 14, 2010, 11:09:01 PM
Giants getting humped by Cowboys in the new Meadowlands.
6-26
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 15, 2010, 12:51:08 AM
49ers win 23-20 in OT, unbelievable game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 15, 2010, 08:11:19 AM
Big win for the patriots,any reports on game as didnt get staying up 2 watch it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 15, 2010, 10:54:50 AM
Quote from: Family guy on November 15, 2010, 08:11:19 AM
Big win for the patriots,any reports on game as didnt get staying up 2 watch it?

Haven't read the recap yet but Bill Simmons tweeted that it was one of the all time great Tom Brady performances. Not that the sports guy would get over excited about a good Boston performance or anything!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 15, 2010, 08:43:40 PM
McNabb has signed a five year extension with the Skins, with $40m guaranteed. He must have some agent to get that type of deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 15, 2010, 09:38:19 PM
Thought himself and Shanahan had gotten off to a bad start. Maybe not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 15, 2010, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 15, 2010, 09:38:19 PM
Thought himself and Shanahan had gotten off to a bad start. Maybe not.

There were all sorts of rumours Shanahan wanted him gone after this year. Maybe it wasnt Shanahans call though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 16, 2010, 03:09:20 AM
some scoring today- eagles were 35-0 with 10 seconds gone in the second quarter, now it's 42-14 unbelievable game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 16, 2010, 08:44:02 AM
The Eagles are potentially a very good team and the Redskins still have issues. They overpaid for McNabb, but it was still a good move for the team to get him for 5 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 16, 2010, 10:40:20 PM
Jaysus,  Vick had some game last night.

6 TD's. 2 on the ground and 4 in the air. He certainly never was that good in Atlanta. There;s a number of factors to this though. He's obviously smartened up after getting sent down, Andy Reid is a much better coach than Jim Mora, was never convinced by Mora. Vick got to learn under McNabb for a year.

Still I'm happy to have Matt Ryan even if he has a fair bit to improve on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 17, 2010, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: thejuice on November 16, 2010, 10:40:20 PM
Jaysus,  Vick had some game last night.

6 TD's. 2 on the ground and 4 in the air. He certainly never was that good in Atlanta. There;s a number of factors to this though. He's obviously smartened up after getting sent down, Andy Reid is a much better coach than Jim Mora, was never convinced by Mora. Vick got to learn under McNabb for a year.

Still I'm happy to have Matt Ryan even if he has a fair bit to improve on.

Marty Morhinweg. Great QB friendly OC in Philly too. He has done wonders with Vick's decision making, etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 17, 2010, 08:08:45 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 14, 2010, 09:42:05 PM
Lovin Denver trouncing KC. If they keep this up it'll be one of the best bye weeks ever for SD!

And the Raiders! Going to the Bronco's game in December and there is hopefully going to be something to play for
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 19, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
Go Bears! Did the ould split shift sleep last night to see the game. Not a brilliant game unless you're a Bears fan. Miami had no offense at all and the Bears D and special teams are good so Cutler and his guys only needed to be adequate, which they were. Da Bears have quietly worked their way to 7-3 and even with a beast of a remaining schedule have a great shot at making the playoffs.

Did anyone see the hit Manning laid on Bess? Ouch!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on November 19, 2010, 03:49:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 19, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
Go Bears! Did the ould split shift sleep last night to see the game. Not a brilliant game unless you're a Bears fan. Miami had no offense at all and the Bears D and special teams are good so Cutler and his guys only needed to be adequate, which they were. Da Bears have quietly worked their way to 7-3 and even with a beast of a remaining schedule have a great shot at making the playoffs.

Did anyone see the hit Manning laid on Bess? Ouch!

Stayed up to watch this too, Miami couldnt move the chains to save their lives and as you said the Bears offense was adequate. Good test for their D next against Vick & the eagles, looking forward to that one to see how theyll try to shut him down or at least contain him...
Some hit by Manning on Bess, commentators described it as a hospital pass anyway, high over the middle, receiver has to jump up to catch it and is in for a pasting when he gets down. Was very surprised Bess got up straight away...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 19, 2010, 07:26:52 PM
Fell asleep watching that. I still beleive the Bears have a few too many holes to get anywhere, a lot of teams they played are falling apart, the Vikings, Cowboys, panthers, Dolphins etc. The Lions beat them in reality and the Packers should have too. Thinking of the games they have left they are not really a playoff calibre team, but They are jammy and will probably still get there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 22, 2010, 07:53:31 AM
Very interesting interview on sky sports last night,with the whole Rooney family proclaiming their desire to have a  regular season steelers match in Croker.
I suppose they will wait to see how Navy/Notre Dame goes in 2012.
What do ye reckon,would we fill Croke Park?
with all the american ex-pats and european fans from Britain Germany/Italy etc alongside the Irish fans,im sure we could.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on November 22, 2010, 10:02:54 AM
Kevin Cadle certainly wasn't impressed with Rooney's idea.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 22, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Chilly gets the boot in Minnesota. Signed a contract extension last year worth about $4m a year so he is laughing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on November 22, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 19, 2010, 02:21:37 PM
Go Bears! Did the ould split shift sleep last night to see the game. Not a brilliant game unless you're a Bears fan. Miami had no offense at all and the Bears D and special teams are good so Cutler and his guys only needed to be adequate, which they were. Da Bears have quietly worked their way to 7-3 and even with a beast of a remaining schedule have a great shot at making the playoffs.

Did anyone see the hit Manning laid on Bess? Ouch!

Was at this game, one of the worst games I was ever at in any code...thank god for tailgating and a shit load of beer!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 22, 2010, 09:15:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Chilly gets the boot in Minnesota. Signed a contract extension last year worth about $4m a year so he is laughing.

Had to happen. I've heard several respected NFL reporters on radio over there commenting on how his almost bizarre behaviour was nearly a cry for the owner to fire him.

Not quite bad enough to be fired 'with cause', but bad enough to get him his payoff. Cutting Moss 4 weeks after giving up a #3 pick for him, without even letting the owner know was not a career move.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 22, 2010, 10:34:50 PM
Chilly had to go. His lack of game management skills in tight situations cost us a superbowl. He built a great team and then ran it into the ground and will get morebthan 10 million dollars in compensation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 22, 2010, 10:43:33 PM
Maybe Singletary will follow him :-\. They'll probably wait to the end of the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 22, 2010, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 22, 2010, 09:15:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 22, 2010, 07:13:17 PM
Chilly gets the boot in Minnesota. Signed a contract extension last year worth about $4m a year so he is laughing.

Had to happen. I've heard several respected NFL reporters on radio over there commenting on how his almost bizarre behaviour was nearly a cry for the owner to fire him.

Not quite bad enough to be fired 'with cause', but bad enough to get him his payoff. Cutting Moss 4 weeks after giving up a #3 pick for him, without even letting the owner know was not a career move.

That was either Schefter or M Dub on ESPN Football Today wasnt it. I think I remember hearing that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on November 24, 2010, 12:05:03 PM
Lads looking for opinions on one of the Thanksgiving games tomorrow before I place a bet

The bookies are going even money 51pts under/over on the Saints Dallas game.
Any one else think this is very high?

The Saints have got some players back on Def and are ranked 3rd overall.
Reggie Bush may be back and the options he gives them obviously means they could put up alot of pts on the board.
However they are on the road and winning the game will be all that Sean Payton will be thinking of rather than a memorable TV shoot out for the millions as they munch on the turkey.

All opinions welcome..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2010, 03:20:06 PM
I think New Orleans offense has got its mojo back and could well hit 30 points. A lot depends on the Dallas defense which really hasn't done anythnig to inspire confidence. NO's defense is good but Kitna has been doing well and will throw the ball a lot. Their lack of running game will keep time on the clock, another factor to consider.

I'd worry that 51 points could be hit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on November 24, 2010, 04:26:32 PM
I'd agree with Seanie here. The Saints are always capable of putting up a big score and have been hitting stride lately. Although the Saints' defence has been good this year, I wouldn't put it past the Cowboys to score 3 tds and the Saints to make up the rest.
I'd stay away from it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on November 24, 2010, 04:31:38 PM
Anyone here keeping tabs on the NBA? seems to mainly NFL

Was at the Miami heat v Charlotte Bobcats game last weekend excellent match/atmosphere bobcats almost pulled off a shock! lakers & Boston Celts looks like the teams to beat this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 24, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
Most years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on November 24, 2010, 04:55:36 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 24, 2010, 04:49:40 PM
Most years.

Well last couple of years anyways, 90s had Rockets v Bulls then early 00s had Spurs v lakers

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2010, 08:19:05 PM
Brady putting on a clinic, 21/27 for 300+ yds and 4tds. Four of his last ten passes have been touchdowns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 25, 2010, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 25, 2010, 08:19:05 PM
Brady putting on a clinic, 21/27 for 300+ yds and 4tds. Four of his last ten passes have been touchdowns.

See the fantasy thread for my reaction.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2010, 08:47:39 PM
Did a Pats (-6.5) Saints (-4) double. C'mon the Saints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 25, 2010, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 25, 2010, 08:47:39 PM
Did a Pats (-6.5) Saints (-4) double. C'mon the Saints.

Saints -4 is a pretty good line. It'll will be a tight one I'd say. I thought that line would settle at about -2.5. Vegas still not sure about the Cowboys' renaissance I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 08:54:59 PM
I think your good minder,can see the saints putting a big one over on them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2010, 09:16:53 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 08:54:59 PM
I think your good minder,can see the saints putting a big one over on them
You would imagine Kitna will revert to type and throw three or four picks at some stage, hopefully tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 25, 2010, 10:01:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 25, 2010, 09:16:53 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 08:54:59 PM
I think your good minder,can see the saints putting a big one over on them
You would imagine Kitna will revert to type and throw three or four picks at some stage, hopefully tonight.
Not to mention his shitty O-line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 25, 2010, 10:14:52 PM
Does reggie bush make a return tonight?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2010, 10:16:11 PM
There is some difference in the analysis of NFL games by ex-players, especially by the likes of Troy  Aikman tonight, and Sky and the English Premier League. Oh except for Emmitt Smith.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-7GjL2SlUo&feature=youtube_gdata_player


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGT08DTk3NM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
Nice start minder,could be a good thanksgiving,who u gona let it ride on later ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2010, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
Nice start minder,could be a good thanksgiving,who u gona let it ride on later ;)

Was gonna do the treble but will just leave it. Had five teams picked last Sunday, had the Jets to win at 1/3 then took them out and put them in with the handicap (-6), greedy. The other four won............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 10:50:19 PM
Jets a hard game today also,cant see them clearing the 10 points.Mite do a small double on the steelers and bears
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 25, 2010, 11:40:25 PM
Quote from: Family guy on November 25, 2010, 10:41:12 PM
Nice start minder,could be a good thanksgiving,who u gona let it ride on later ;)

UH-OH!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 26, 2010, 12:26:29 AM
Bit of a sweat minder?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 26, 2010, 12:40:10 AM
Feck that's some collapse by the saints. Two bad turn overs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 26, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
Branchs first TD in the Pats Lions game was a joke....shocking defense from the corner back!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 26, 2010, 01:00:59 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 26, 2010, 12:59:10 AM
Branchs first TD in the Pats Lions game was a joke....shocking defense from the corner back!

Yeah and the safety calmly jogging over to help him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 26, 2010, 01:05:03 AM
Drew brees stepped up with two cracking throws there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 26, 2010, 08:26:30 AM
I went to bed at half time to sleep the sleep of a winner.......

Mother f**ker 'Aints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2010, 07:34:11 PM
Big game for Nevada tonight Puck.  They can be kingmakers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 26, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
Just about to head up to the stadium. Big day of post thanksgiving tailgating. Chilli, tri tip, hot dogs and copious amounts of swal. Pity it's f**king freezing here. -16celcius last night.

14 point favorites are Boise. I'd give us about a 15% chance of beating them. The city is excited though. Lots of Boise fans in town. Should be a great, albeit slighty drunk, day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2010, 08:32:13 PM
Auburn are getting waxed, so if Boise win, they may well be ranked #2. Enjoy the game. I'd say TCU are hoping ye win :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 26, 2010, 08:37:24 PM
NFL next year could be a lock out...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/nov/26/nfl-dispute-american-football-season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:02:46 AM
Puck bound to be having fun. Great game so far.
Nevada have fought there way back into it
Boise 24
Nevada 21 
13 minutes to go still in the fourth q, have the matchsticks out trying to keep the eyes open, well worth it but. Come on the Wolfpack!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:15:41 AM
5mins to go
Boise 24
Nevada 24
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:20:28 AM
Boise reply is a 78yrd touchdown. Great run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:35:43 AM
13 seconds to go and Nevada level it up. Overtime.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:42:29 AM
Spoke to soon Boise Quarterback just launched a hail mary type pass and connected with a free receiver with 2 secs left and as i write Boise miss the field goal holy shit now its Overtime.
This game has had it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:50:57 AM
Boise take the ball first, march up the field, good position for the kicker and he misses again!
Nevada have the ball, any score and they win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 27, 2010, 06:52:43 AM
Nevada win a cracking game!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 27, 2010, 06:53:08 AM
Nevada win, Nevada win!  Great stuff, away to bed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2010, 06:58:27 AM
f**k yeah!!! Both hip flasks empty, toes frozen. Will check in later!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2010, 07:27:55 AM
go on the Wolfpack!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2010, 08:14:05 AM
Where do you start? What a game of two halves, and what a finish! Icy cold here in Reno, and Nevada struggled to start - I havnt seen the tv yet, but it seemed like we were overly respectful of Boise in the first half on both sides of the ball. As the second half started it was suggested if Boise scored again we would leave early - but Nevada started to pound them on the ground and they simply couldnt stop the run.

We had all the momentum and a tied game at 31-31 with 9 seconds to go, but gave up a huge hail mary ball to set up a 20 yard fg for the broncos.... Wait! He's missed it! Overtime. The eejit misses again and we run a couple plays and knock it through the sticks.

Hup the Wolfe Tones!

Cheers for the good wishes folks. Bed time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 27, 2010, 05:02:37 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?categoryId=2564308&id=5854411 (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?categoryId=2564308&id=5854411)

ESPN Highlight of the night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2010, 10:49:42 PM
Boise state just dont do boring games, do they.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 28, 2010, 09:39:09 PM
Any decent links for the games???please
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2010, 11:44:11 PM
adthe do good links.

Thought Kansas were going to get caught there but pulling away. Pressure back on the Chargers later tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 28, 2010, 11:52:32 PM
Yeah use atdhe but messing about 2day.Looking forward to the colts game,what way can you see it goin??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 28, 2010, 11:53:53 PM
The Bears have put themselves well into the reckoning now,very high scoring game,should make the playoffs now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 29, 2010, 12:05:31 AM
The NFC is kind of rubbishy this year after the Vikings and Cowboys collapsed, Cardinals had Warner retire and Boldin went to the Ravens and Dansby to the Dolphins, Saints aren't as good as last year and Packers have a lot of injuries. It has allowed lesser teams like the Falcons to lead the conference and allows the Bears to make the playoffs. The superbowl winner will come from the AFC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 29, 2010, 04:01:34 AM
Chargers rolling again come the business end of the season. Stand by for playoff implosion though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 29, 2010, 07:05:22 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 29, 2010, 04:01:34 AM
Chargers rolling again come the business end of the season. Stand by for playoff implosion though.

Not so sure this season. One of the two chief imploders is playing in Green and White now. We could still get Norved though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 29, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 29, 2010, 07:05:22 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on November 29, 2010, 04:01:34 AM
Chargers rolling again come the business end of the season. Stand by for playoff implosion though.

Not so sure this season. One of the two chief imploders is playing in Green and White now. We could still get Norved though.
Ya, fingers crossed this year. Big game next week against the raiders, has been a gimme game last few seasons but they have improved. Tolbert deserves to keep his place ahead of Matthews
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 29, 2010, 04:36:58 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 27, 2010, 10:49:42 PM
Boise state just dont do boring games, do they.

In fairness Juice - they dont. I am usually cheering very hard for the Boise team - they are a great team to bet on, almost always being a big big winner. They are great to watch, and who could forget the hook and ladder and the statue of liberty in the Fiesta Bowl a few years back.

I watched the telvised broadcast of the Nevada game last night. Mackay Stadium looked like a fun place to be, and it certainly was. Boise were a bit like Armagh of 2003- 2005 - not used to being pressurised in the last quarter (the difference being that Boise have games generally killed off by the middle of the third quarter). Their defence was just punctured and the ability to concentrate for 40 plays and then get the second string in (which is what Boise have had the luxury of doing all season long, bar the Virginia Tech game) versus having to concentrate for 70 plays in a game condition you are not used to, took its toll.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 29, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
Hopefully the 49ers can pull off a win tonight to go 4-2 for the last 6 and unbelievably be still in with a shout at the Div title after a 0-5 start, although the NFC west has been ultra inconsistent and v. poor this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 29, 2010, 05:59:57 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 29, 2010, 04:50:48 PM
Hopefully the 49ers can pull off a win tonight to go 4-2 for the last 6 and unbelievably be still in with a shout at the Div title after a 0-5 start, although the NFC west has been ultra inconsistent and v. poor this season.

+1 cant wait for the game! Hoping for a big game from Crabtree tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 29, 2010, 06:20:52 PM
I need 15 points from Gore tonight  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 30, 2010, 10:30:30 AM
Great win last night to keep the playoffs hope alive. Now they just need to go to Green Bay and win :-\. Suppose its possible. Gore out for the rest of the season with a hip injury but Westbrook came in and did well. Can see 8-8 winning the division which would mean the niners would have to beat either Green Bay or San Diego both away. St Louis still have to go to New Orleans and Seattle and have Tampa Bay and Atlanta at home none of them are handy wins. Seattle look the best placed to win it, but having lost 4 out of the last 5 they aren't looking good at the minute. Some exciting games in the next 5 weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 30, 2010, 12:23:23 PM
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see 7-9 win that division. I think Rams are slight favs but niners have a good chance now that they've a bit of momentum.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2010, 07:40:42 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on November 30, 2010, 10:30:30 AM
Great win last night to keep the playoffs hope alive. Now they just need to go to Green Bay and win :-\. Suppose its possible. Gore out for the rest of the season with a hip injury but Westbrook came in and did well. Can see 8-8 winning the division which would mean the niners would have to beat either Green Bay or San Diego both away. St Louis still have to go to New Orleans and Seattle and have Tampa Bay and Atlanta at home none of them are handy wins. Seattle look the best placed to win it, but having lost 4 out of the last 5 they aren't looking good at the minute. Some exciting games in the next 5 weeks.
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 30, 2010, 12:23:23 PM
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see 7-9 win that division. I think Rams are slight favs but niners have a good chance now that they've a bit of momentum.

Westbrook definitely stepped up to the plate which softens the blow on the Gore injury. Good performance but I think the Cards put nothing up on the night. I do think the play offs are a possibility, am i right in saying if a 7-9 does win it it would be the 1st time a team under .500 won a Div title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on December 03, 2010, 01:26:12 AM
lebron James is getting a great welcome back to Cleveland  :D (now live on ESPN)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 05, 2010, 09:25:09 PM
Brilliant move from Raiders for TD. Chargers can't afford to lose this with the Chiefs having won.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 05, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
Oh dear. 0-14. Turnovers galore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 05, 2010, 09:42:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 05, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
Oh dear. 0-14. Turnovers galore.

Not happy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 05, 2010, 10:05:42 PM
Chargers were 1/7 to win this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 05, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 05, 2010, 10:05:42 PM
Chargers were 1/7 to win this game.

Thats the bloody problem!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 05, 2010, 10:12:58 PM
3-21

Imploding.

December record in ruins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 05, 2010, 11:05:47 PM
The Chargers and Rivers often come back late in games, nothing is final yet. Gates is still floating around.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 05, 2010, 11:42:20 PM
Late rush - 13-21. 10 mins left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 05, 2010, 11:53:17 PM
Will the Chargers get someone off the field!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 05, 2010, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 05, 2010, 11:53:17 PM
Will the Chargers get someone off the field!

f**king hell. I knew we'd get Norved sooner or later.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 06, 2010, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 05, 2010, 11:55:17 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 05, 2010, 11:53:17 PM
Will the Chargers get someone off the field!

f**king hell. I knew we'd get Norved sooner or later.

After we got Norved I turned over in disgust just in time to see Peyton Manning hit Reggie Wayne 4 times in a row in about 50 seconds to save the Colts season.

Unreal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 06, 2010, 12:23:42 AM
Falcons have slowly turned it around at the Buccs. Thank God we would have slipped back level with the Saints. Manning just had an awesome 4th qtr.



edit but the colts still lose, oh well, no play offs for manning since when???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 06, 2010, 12:26:44 AM
Cowboys win. 4 interceptions for Manning for the second game running.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on December 06, 2010, 09:15:03 AM
Where is the Jason Campbell that bombed big time in Washington?Was very impressed with him last night,Raiders played well and theres lot's of potential in that team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 06, 2010, 01:31:33 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on December 06, 2010, 09:15:03 AM
Where is the Jason Campbell that bombed big time in Washington?Was very impressed with him last night,Raiders played well and theres lot's of potential in that team.

Campbll was a bad fit for Washington, they wanted a West Coast QB, and he's a deep threat. Also, as McNabb will agree Washington's O-line is horrendous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on December 06, 2010, 01:47:36 PM
The only game that i recall that Campbell stepped up when the pressure was on was when the Skins won on their last ever visit to Texas Stadium,not a bad one to do it in though.He always seemed to panic when the game was on the line.McNabb has been getting nailed left right and centre,Trent Williams and Jamaal Brown being badly affected by injuries and how Casey Rabach is still there i don't know.The offensive line as you say is a mess.Shanahan has a big job ahead of him this off season.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 07, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
Jets (and Sanchez!) would want to wake up fast here or the game will be out of reach by the end of the first quarter! That said, they just got a great sack on Brady!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 07, 2010, 08:45:20 AM
McDaniels fired in Denver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 07, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
Jets (and Sanchez!) would want to wake up fast here or the game will be out of reach by the end of the first quarter! That said, they just got a great sack on Brady!!

The Jets stayed aseep. 45-3 to the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 07, 2010, 12:00:22 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 07, 2010, 08:55:35 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 07, 2010, 02:18:14 AM
Jets (and Sanchez!) would want to wake up fast here or the game will be out of reach by the end of the first quarter! That said, they just got a great sack on Brady!!

The Jets stayed aseep. 45-3 to the Pats.

Very impressed with the Pats. It took them a week or two to find their offensive stride when Moss left (the corresponding dip in Brady and Welker's production probably costing me a shot at the playoffs), but they've looked just like the Superbowl winning Pats of the early decade on offense of late.

The D has improved with every game too, probably as Belichek (sp) has coached up the younger players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 07, 2010, 01:03:40 PM
Good to see the overrated jets beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 07, 2010, 01:56:06 PM
Great result for the Raiders, they definitely are the proverbial jeklly and hyde, either shit hot or just shit.

Bronco's are awful on their day which seems to be most days. I'm going to the game in a couple of weeks between the 2. Raiders should have too much for them but you never can tell with either team!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 07, 2010, 02:28:13 PM
Josh McDaniels deserved the road. He did some terrible trades (with the exception of the Cutler/Orton one but lets face it - he just got lucky with that one) and he wasted a high draft pick on Tebow when they badly needed strengthening elsewhere.

Amazing that the Vikes keep starting Favre. They must hate Tavaris. I hope the old guy is still there when the Bears go up against them in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Looking forward to the game tonight. Win or bust for the Chargers. Chiefs hard to score against. Another slow start and it's lights out for the season for SD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
The Metrodome roof has collapsed in Minnesota!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 02:05:59 PM
Huge game for the niners, a lose and can't make the playoffs and a win and there right back in the thick of it. Hope both the niners and chargers win to set up a great Thursday night game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Looking forward to the game tonight. Win or bust for the Chargers. Chiefs hard to score against. Another slow start and it's lights out for the season for SD.

Same here, and to make it even better I just found out that Gus Johnson is commentating on the game. The Law Of Gus is in play!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 12, 2010, 07:47:57 PM
What about the Knicks? Eight wins in a row, 12 wins in last 13 (albeit against a lot of poor teams). Just beat the Denver Nuggets however, with Amare Stoudemire having his eighth 30+ point game in a row!

Its early days and some very tough games coming up this week, but who the hell would have predicted the dismal Knicks of the past decade showing this form, especially after missing out on LeBron back in the summer!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 08:20:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 12, 2010, 07:47:57 PM
What about the Knicks? Eight wins in a row, 12 wins in last 13 (albeit against a lot of poor teams). Just beat the Denver Nuggets however, with Amare Stoudemire having his eighth 30+ point game in a row!

Its early days and some very tough games coming up this week, but who the hell would have predicted the dismal Knicks of the past decade showing this form, especially after missing out on LeBron back in the summer!
They did miss out on Le Bron, but they got Stoudamire. If he goes down (not beyond the bounds of possibility given that he's made of glass), they're screwed. Their schedule through that streak has been fairly kind I think.

I'm sorry- can't ever bring myself to like the Knicks. I'm absolutely loving Derek Rose though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on December 12, 2010, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
The Metrodome roof has collapsed in Minnesota!

That was crazy, I have stood in the area where the snow fell before as the stadium is used regularly for other events, very lucky they didnt try and push ahead with the game or someone would have been very badly injured at least
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 12, 2010, 08:55:35 PM
Redskins missed an extra point to send it to overtime with 9 secs left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 09:31:02 PM
Good start. Rivers on form.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 09:32:16 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 09:31:02 PM
Good start. Rivers on form.

Indeed, nice TD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 12, 2010, 09:45:25 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 12, 2010, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
The Metrodome roof has collapsed in Minnesota!

That was crazy, I have stood in the area where the snow fell before as the stadium is used regularly for other events, very lucky they didnt try and push ahead with the game or someone would have been very badly injured at least

Worst storm in two decades. I've family out there... their babysitter has been stranded in their house for the weekend!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 10:02:35 PM
14-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 10:27:23 PM
21-0. The job's a good'un.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 10:30:11 PM
niners up 30-7 at HT, great stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 10:36:30 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 10:30:11 PM
niners up 30-7 at HT, great stuff.

Ive been flicking back and fwd between SD, SF, and the Pats. New England look awesome again tonight in the snow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 10:43:25 PM
What's the craic with the snow? Do they never call games off?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 10:43:25 PM
What's the craic with the snow? Do they never call games off?

They dont seem to. Put it this way... when would they play the re-fixture? I remember a NFC semi a couple years back when Brett Favre did this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14cuQA6HS_c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14cuQA6HS_c)

I love snow games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 12, 2010, 11:03:16 PM
Holy Moly Steve Gregory.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 11:09:02 PM
Going to be a huge huge game on Thursday night!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 11:09:02 PM
Going to be a huge huge game on Thursday night!

Where is it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 11:12:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 11:10:17 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 11:09:02 PM
Going to be a huge huge game on Thursday night!

Where is it?

San Diego
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 11:15:48 PM
49ers could do a Chargers from a couple of years ago. 4-8 to 8-8 and the play-offs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 12, 2010, 11:20:26 PM
Big ask to win in San Diego but could do it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2010, 11:38:50 PM
24-0.

Stay Classy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 13, 2010, 12:02:15 AM
31-0. FT

Shows how slack the Chargers have been when a team they've humiliated can still finish above them. No slip ups with 3 games left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on December 13, 2010, 02:52:21 AM
Just back in the door from the Jets Dolphins game. It was a great experience, my 2nd game since I moved here, much better than the first game I attended (Giants Packers in 07).
Its definitely a made for TV sport. A lot of stops and starts and nothing much going on in-between. Managed to bag box tickets so we were in doors for the rain, full glass wall, bar stools propped up and food and drink all at hand and free. Powerful days craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 13, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Did ye see the state of the Metrodome

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11980078
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 13, 2010, 01:39:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 13, 2010, 12:47:40 PM
Did ye see the state of the Metrodome

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11980078

Fox.com has footage of it actually collapsing, as they had their cameras set up for the game and all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 13, 2010, 03:03:06 PM
what was that dome made of?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2010, 03:39:42 PM
It's Teflon coated fibreglass - held up by air pressure
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
113,411 in attendance at the Michigan vs Michigan State Ice Hockey game on Saturday  :o :o :o

http://www.mgoblue.com/view.gal?id=83165 (http://www.mgoblue.com/view.gal?id=83165)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/24682hd.jpg)

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2qixrnt.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 13, 2010, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2010, 03:39:42 PM
It's Teflon coated fibreglass - held up by air pressure

aye it didnt look the strongest. imagine if you were standing under that when it fell through
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 13, 2010, 04:18:04 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 13, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
113,411 in attendance at the Michigan vs Michigan State Ice Hockey game on Saturday  :o :o :o

http://www.mgoblue.com/view.gal?id=83165 (http://www.mgoblue.com/view.gal?id=83165)

(http://i56.tinypic.com/24682hd.jpg)

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2qixrnt.jpg)

You might have a bit of bother following the puck from the top of the stands I'd imagine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on December 13, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
Pittsburgh play the Capitals outside on NY Day.
In America anyways Hockey has a HUGE following.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 14, 2010, 12:20:14 AM
STREAK over, Farve misses 1st game in 18years, probably should have happened sooner but loving watching the eulogies
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 14, 2010, 02:35:34 AM
297 consecutive, first missed game since 1992!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JBM on the 21 on December 14, 2010, 02:57:02 AM
to put it in perspective, the streak commenced the day Donegal beat Dublin in the All Ireland Final!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 14, 2010, 04:50:30 AM
What a Monday Night Football game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 14, 2010, 05:32:52 AM
After all that talk of Lee signing with the Yankees -it looks like he's turning their offer down - to return to Philadelphia

Their rotation will be ridiculous next season. They'll have three of the top 10 pitchers in baseball at one time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 14, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on December 14, 2010, 02:57:02 AM
to put it in perspective, the streak commenced the day Donegal beat Dublin in the All Ireland Final!!!

Some going when you say it like that. I wonder will that record ever be broken.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 14, 2010, 01:15:15 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 14, 2010, 09:08:04 AM
Quote from: JBM on the 21 on December 14, 2010, 02:57:02 AM
to put it in perspective, the streak commenced the day Donegal beat Dublin in the All Ireland Final!!!

Some going when you say it like that. I wonder will that record ever be broken.

Peyton is closest - and he'll have to play in every game up to an including the season opener in 2016 to match it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 16, 2010, 07:43:09 PM
Can't wait until tonight's game. Fairly sure that the niners will be able to stop chargers running game so its all about getting to rivers and not giving up the big plays. Secondary needs to be much better, if both teams play like they did sunday it will be some game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 16, 2010, 07:51:36 PM
Hope to wake to good news then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 17, 2010, 05:55:41 AM
What a scoreline- almost two consecutive shutouts. Need the Rams to do the business on Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 17, 2010, 09:21:17 AM
Watched the game. That scoreline flatters San Diego, but rivers was brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2010, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 17, 2010, 09:21:17 AM
Watched the game. That scoreline flatters San Diego, but rivers was brilliant.

I left V-Jax on my bench for fantasy purposes cos I didn't want to be too reliant on things going San Diego's way. What a blunder. I'd practically be through if I hadn't made that change about an hour before kickoff. Overthinking it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 17, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2010, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 17, 2010, 09:21:17 AM
Watched the game. That scoreline flatters San Diego, but rivers was brilliant.

I left V-Jax on my bench for fantasy purposes cos I didn't want to be too reliant on things going San Diego's way. What a blunder. I'd practically be through if I hadn't made that change about an hour before kickoff. Overthinking it.

how much fantasy points did he put up seanie ? its a balls when you leave a high score on the bench, just checked and last week i had 65 points sitting on the bench
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 17, 2010, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 17, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2010, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 17, 2010, 09:21:17 AM
Watched the game. That scoreline flatters San Diego, but rivers was brilliant.

I left V-Jax on my bench for fantasy purposes cos I didn't want to be too reliant on things going San Diego's way. What a blunder. I'd practically be through if I hadn't made that change about an hour before kickoff. Overthinking it.

how much fantasy points did he put up seanie ? its a balls when you leave a high score on the bench, just checked and last week i had 65 points sitting on the bench

He put up a tad under 35 points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2010, 02:38:03 PM
Yeah, just over 30 on our scoring system. Think he now has 7 passes caught for the season and 3 of them TD's. It was a stupid mistake, I hope I don't pay for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2010, 07:36:21 PM
Kansas 14-6 up at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 19, 2010, 07:49:08 PM
Giants killing the Eagles so far. Just sacked Vick again. 24-3  up, one minute into second half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 19, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 19, 2010, 07:36:21 PM
Kansas 14-6 up at HT.

Brilliant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
17-6 4th quarter. Dusted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 19, 2010, 08:39:25 PM
Just need Falcons to beat Seattle now and 49ers are still in the division!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 19, 2010, 09:15:16 PM
Amazing fourth quarter passing/rushing tour de force by Vick. Three touch downs in six minutes have Eagles level at 31 apiece, just over a minute to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 19, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
Holy f**k!!! Eagles return punt with no time left to score touchdown and win 38-31!

Giants were 31-10 up halfway through the fourth quarter! :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
Chiefs 9-5

Home to Titans (6-8)
Home to Raiders (6-7)

Chargers 8-6

Away to Bengals (3-11)
Away to Broncos (3-10)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on December 19, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
Holy f**k!!! Eagles return punt with no time left to score touchdown and win 38-31!

Giants were 31-10 up halfway through the fourth quarter! :o

Unreal come back there.
Can't believe it. Everybody roaring at the TV in my house.
DeSean Jackson with that dirty joe show boat move on his way to the touchdown was very disrespectful i thought.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2010, 11:53:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-NC2w0cFEs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 20, 2010, 10:02:37 AM
Ole Puck picked a parlay for the first time in a few months. Raiders game over 41, Jets game over 36, Patriots game over 43.5 and Packers +14. 20$ = 220$.  ;D

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on December 20, 2010, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 19, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
DeSean Jackson with that dirty joe show boat move on his way to the touchdown was very disrespectful i thought.....

If I were his coach I'd beat the living tar out of him. What if he had dropped the ball before getting it into the endzone? I know it's not likely, but I guarantee you every Eagles fans was shrieking "WTF!!!" at him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 20, 2010, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 20, 2010, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 19, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
DeSean Jackson with that dirty joe show boat move on his way to the touchdown was very disrespectful i thought.....

If I were his coach I'd beat the living tar out of him. What if he had dropped the ball before getting it into the endzone? I know it's not likely, but I guarantee you every Eagles fans was shrieking "WTF!!!" at him

On the subject of a coach eating his players, did you see Coughlan chewing out his Pinter for not just punting the ball straight out of bounds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 20, 2010, 11:31:06 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on December 20, 2010, 11:20:57 AM
Quote from: deiseach on December 20, 2010, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 19, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
DeSean Jackson with that dirty joe show boat move on his way to the touchdown was very disrespectful i thought.....

If I were his coach I'd beat the living tar out of him. What if he had dropped the ball before getting it into the endzone? I know it's not likely, but I guarantee you every Eagles fans was shrieking "WTF!!!" at him

On the subject of a coach eating his players, did you see Coughlan chewing out his Pinter for not just punting the ball straight out of bounds.

Well if the punter was told to kick it out of bounds and didn't he should be fired. If he wasn't told to kick it out of bounds the special teams guy and/or Coughlin should be fired.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 20, 2010, 11:44:38 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 19, 2010, 11:14:33 PM
Chiefs 9-5

Home to Titans (6-8)
Home to Raiders (6-7)

Chargers 8-6

Away to Bengals (3-11)
Away to Broncos (3-10)

Chargers are playing well now, but the Chiefs could easily win those 2 games and stay ahead. The playoffs would be without the Chargers, Cowboys, Vikings and maybe even Packers. All I feel are a lot better than the chiefs or Bears but have not been their usual selves this year for some reason. All could have been super bowl contenders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 20, 2010, 11:52:39 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 19, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 19, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
Holy f**k!!! Eagles return punt with no time left to score touchdown and win 38-31!

Giants were 31-10 up halfway through the fourth quarter! :o

Unreal come back there.
Can't believe it. Everybody roaring at the TV in my house.
DeSean Jackson with that dirty joe show boat move on his way to the touchdown was very disrespectful i thought.....

I thought it was ok, he was just running down the clock making sure the Giants had no time to reply.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 20, 2010, 12:25:04 PM
Anyone see the Pats OL Dan Connolly's 71 yard return last night. He nearly made it all the way. ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtufeJDGk28 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtufeJDGk28)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 20, 2010, 12:44:08 PM
Its weekends like that, that make me wish I had Sky again. Some key results with Eagles taking control of their division, the Giants are still in the running though but the packers might scupper them next week.

The Saints have lost ground on the Falcons which means we've claimed a play-off spot but we'll need to be New Orleans at home to secure home field advantage. The Falcons best hopes for a Superbowl run are if they get to stay in the Georgia Dome.

The Jets have kept their season alive with an unlikely result against the Steelers. The Jags are depending on the Colts to stumble, The Raiders need a slight miracle, San Diego's destiny is in the Chiefs hands.

Its amazing to see the Rams in the play-off charts despite having a losing record and can finish 8-8 at best but the NFC west is quite frankly the worst bunch of teams that I've seen in a long time. I suppose the NFC south had that title in the 90's but there's a good chance a 3rd Superbowl  will end up in the NFC south this season.


And it just.............might be my Falcons!!!  :)


PS: were SKY showing 3 live games or 2 games and NFL RedZone??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on December 20, 2010, 01:11:06 PM
Sky were showing red zone at 6pm then a 9.15 game. So 19 teams can still make the playoffs going into the last 2 weeks with only 12 able to make it. A win at St Louis next week and i can see the niners winning the division (i don't see Seattle winning in Tampa).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 20, 2010, 03:11:20 PM
Really enjoyed the Red Zone on Sky last nite, pity Detriot ruined my bet with their 1st road win in 3 years, typical.
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on December 20, 2010, 01:11:06 PM
Sky were showing red zone at 6pm then a 9.15 game. So 19 teams can still make the playoffs going into the last 2 weeks with only 12 able to make it. A win at St Louis next week and i can see the niners winning the division (i don't see Seattle winning in Tampa).

Unreal that the 49ers can still win the div, but I dont know if I want them to after that shambles on Thursday nite, looked well below what is needed for a team making an assualt on the play-offs, but stranger things have happened and im strapped in for the ride.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 20, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
Red Zone was awesone especially if you're involved in a fantasy competition. I was virtually on my knees praying that the ball would be given to a certain Rams RB on 2nd and goal when things were starting to look hairy for me* last night! It was, he got over and barring negative scoring tonight (which even in the conditions promised is still unlikely) I'm through.

* Just to confirm - Rex Grossman did actually throw multiple TD passes last night including 2 to Santana Moss? Perhaps its a different Rex Grossman than the guy who stank out Chicago?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 21, 2010, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 20, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
Red Zone was awesone especially if you're involved in a fantasy competition. I was virtually on my knees praying that the ball would be given to a certain Rams RB on 2nd and goal when things were starting to look hairy for me* last night! It was, he got over and barring negative scoring tonight (which even in the conditions promised is still unlikely) I'm through.

* Just to confirm - Rex Grossman did actually throw multiple TD passes last night including 2 to Santana Moss? Perhaps its a different Rex Grossman than the guy who stank out Chicago?

Why was Mc Nabb Dropped ? did he not get a new 5 year deal a few weeks ago ? Seems a strange one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 21, 2010, 12:01:54 PM
Bears clinch division with a nice spanking of the viqueens. I'd say Stew enjoyed that one especially with Favre getting knocked out of the game for the 124th time in a row (seems like that anyway) and possibly the last time. Devin Hester finally  :o breaks the returns for TD's record! Not many rating the Bears still but they've a very good defense and very good special teams. Offense is patchy but running it better in recent weeks and can get it done through the air too so they'll be a dangerous opponent in the playoffs. Would be great to win in Lambeau in week 17 to go 6-0 in what isn't that bad a division.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 21, 2010, 06:27:47 PM
The Bears and Jay Cutler are really a strange one. This could work very well, or Cutler could fold in the playoffs. If they keep him protected, and keep him from making those 2 or 3 bad throws per game that can kill their chances - the bears will be hard to beat. Keeping him playing smart is the kicker however - and he still has that propensity to airball it into the defenders waiting arms when he gets put under pressure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 21, 2010, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 21, 2010, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 20, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
Red Zone was awesone especially if you're involved in a fantasy competition. I was virtually on my knees praying that the ball would be given to a certain Rams RB on 2nd and goal when things were starting to look hairy for me* last night! It was, he got over and barring negative scoring tonight (which even in the conditions promised is still unlikely) I'm through.

* Just to confirm - Rex Grossman did actually throw multiple TD passes last night including 2 to Santana Moss? Perhaps its a different Rex Grossman than the guy who stank out Chicago?

Why was Mc Nabb Dropped ? did he not get a new 5 year deal a few weeks ago ? Seems a strange one

The Redskins have a clause in the contract that says they can cut him after this year if they like. I don't know what they are thinlpking., their receiving group is mediocre and their running backs are always injured and can struggle behind a mediocre offensive line. I think they are just keeping McNabb on his toes, but I don't know and they might cut him. They are known for making dumb moves. Look at the Haynesworth signing.

The Bears will get found out in the playoffs. They are not as good as they look. Just don't kick the ball to Hester and Cutler and Forte will struggle to get things done on offense.

I think the Saints will win the superbowl. Bush and Pierre Thomas added to their rookie discovery Chris Ivory and the Drew Brees passing game will make them very hard to deal with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on December 21, 2010, 07:10:37 PM
La lakers vs Miami heat Christmas day 10pm on ESPN should be worth a watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on December 21, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
Quote from: ross4life on December 21, 2010, 07:10:37 PM
La lakers vs Miami heat Christmas day 10pm on ESPN should be worth a watch.

Lakers to win. Heat are on a streak against weaker teams. Their offense mostly comes from running, which is fine for pouring it on against minnows, but is bad for two things:

1) beating good defensive teams.
2) winning in the playoffs.

Beat the Heat!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 21, 2010, 10:08:13 PM
I know Donovan McNabb has a house in Phoenix, like a lot of other pro athletes. I wonder would he fancy being the Cardinals QB. If the Skins don't want him, we'll take him.

Take him, draft a QB high, or groom Skelton if you think he's good enough, and sort out the QB position. It's embarrassing what the Cards have done this year at that position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 21, 2010, 11:46:27 PM
It really is a joke how bad AZ's qb's have been. What a waste of a prime year of Larry Fitz's career.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on December 22, 2010, 12:02:49 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 21, 2010, 06:27:47 PM
The Bears and Jay Cutler are really a strange one. This could work very well, or Cutler could fold in the playoffs. If they keep him protected, and keep him from making those 2 or 3 bad throws per game that can kill their chances - the bears will be hard to beat. Keeping him playing smart is the kicker however - and he still has that propensity to airball it into the defenders waiting arms when he gets put under pressure.

I sat up to watch that last night, but folded even before the first ball was kicked. Glad to see the Bears win, but hats off to Favre all the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2010, 07:07:26 PM
KC hammering TT. Feck it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 26, 2010, 08:24:10 PM
Cracking Jets/Bears game here - its 38-31 coming up to the end of the third quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 26, 2010, 09:32:01 PM
It would be a tragedy for the CHargers if they don't make the playoffs, a super bowl contender who can't even beat out the average teams in their division.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 26, 2010, 09:45:06 PM
Chargers shit so far. Season might end in 2 hrs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 27, 2010, 12:04:52 AM
Done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 28, 2010, 06:06:06 PM
The saints lucky to get out of Atlanta with that win last night after an uncharacteristic 4th quarter by Drew Brees. Squeaky bum time on the last drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 28, 2010, 11:22:12 PM
Is anyone showing the Philly/viqueens game tonight? I seem to remember Gary Imlach saying something about Christmas schedules meaning it was unlikely that Channel 4 would be showing it. Surely he is not tell porkies?

Lets see:

1.15 am FIVB World Tour (as much a fan as I am of ladies volleyball, I think it could have been moved);
2.05am KOTV Boxing Weekly ??????;
2.35am World Sport ZZZzzzzz;
3.00am The Cat Returns (an animated 2002 movie which judging by the late hour is possibly not in huge demand).

???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on December 29, 2010, 01:14:25 AM
Doesn't seem to be on Seanie, see if this works for you
http://atdhe.net/31503/watch-minnesota-vikings-vs-philadelphia-eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 31, 2010, 10:00:54 AM
so lads who do you fancy to win the superbowl this year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 31, 2010, 11:12:50 AM
I have a wee bet done on the pats at 14s and I think that is looking ok at the min. I also have the saints in a sort of sweep with my friends. They're struggling through so I hope one of them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 31, 2010, 11:17:23 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 31, 2010, 11:12:50 AM
I have a wee bet done on the pats at 14s and I think that is looking ok at the min. I also have the saints in a sort of sweep with my friends. They're struggling through so I hope one of them

yeah the pats look strong at the moment . i dreamed a couple of months ago that baltimore won it so i'm sticking with them . i hope green bay make the playoffs they were excellent against the giants last week . 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2011, 11:13:24 PM
Chargers finishing season well. Kansas lost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2011, 09:11:54 PM
Jim Harbaugh to leave Stanford to coach 49ers. Same route Bill Walsh took.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Oops for Michigan...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2011, 10:35:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Oops for Michigan...

I dont think he was ever going to Michigan, they reckon it was between staying at Stanford (on improved terms of $4m per year) and the 49ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2011, 10:37:45 PM
Ah but Michigan did. Their AD almost promised it when he was getting rid of Rodriguez. Harbaugh is a 'Michigan Man'.

Of course the 49ers is a better job for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 08, 2011, 11:58:57 AM
if only he could take his MVP with him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 09:05:06 PM
Looks like sad news for Ravens S Ed Reed. It says he's playing, but if anything develops you'd have to wonder.

****
Baltimore Ravens Pro Bowl safety Ed Reed will travel with the team to Kansas City and play in Sunday's AFC wild-card playoff game following the possible disappearance of his brother.

A man believed to be a brother of Reed has been missing since Friday afternoon, when he reportedly jumped into the Mississippi River near St. Rose, La., to evade police.


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Karen Reed, the mother of Ed and Brian Reed, said investigators in Louisiana found shoes and a jacket belonging to Brian Reed, 28.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
Thas terrible news, can't imagine what Ed Reed is going through. The man is a legend. I have to say if it were me I couldn't play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2011, 09:42:58 PM
Did a small bet on Saints to win by 13-18 pts, 4/1.

So a Saints 12 or 19 Pt winning margin is nailed on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 10:29:55 PM
This is shaping up nicely....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 08, 2011, 10:31:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 10:29:55 PM
This is shaping up nicely....

Yup good game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 08, 2011, 10:48:28 PM
Saints will be doing well to cover a 10 point margin
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2011, 10:50:05 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 08, 2011, 10:48:28 PM
Saints will be doing well to cover a 10 point margin

If the Saints do win, and that is certainly an "if", can't see them going any further.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 08, 2011, 10:51:06 PM
Jesus I've just had serious dejavu with this last couple posts on this thread.

That's scary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2011, 10:52:47 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 08, 2011, 10:51:06 PM
Jesus I've just had serious dejavu with this last couple posts on this thread.

That's scary.

Dejavu? Again?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 08, 2011, 11:00:07 PM
Always good to see the white boys catching touchdown passes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
What a game this could be. You just cannot tell in the NFL.

That could be their slogan :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 08, 2011, 11:16:57 PM
Couldn't see how Seahawks were such a big underdog.
The injuries the saints had especially Malcolm Jenkins
made it a far closer match up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:17:43 PM
Great 'fake block' by Carlson for that second seahawks TD.

I hate listening to Halling and that ape of a coach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 08, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Don't know weather to cheer on the NFC West or hope that Seattle gets beat because i dislike them.  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:17:43 PM
Great 'fake block' by Carlson for that second seahawks TD.

I hate listening to Halling and that ape of a coach.

Go easy on him AZ, he is fighting cancer. Unless you are talking about  Kevin "what you like on email Nick" Cadle?

Halling is a p***k though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 08, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:17:43 PM
Great 'fake block' by Carlson for that second seahawks TD.

I hate listening to Halling and that ape of a coach.

Go easy on him AZ, he is fighting cancer. Unless you are talking about  Kevin "what you like on email Nick" Cadle?

Halling is a p***k though.

Jaysus. Sorry to hear that. I still don't like to listen to him though. Cadle offfends my eardrums too.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:22:53 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 08, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Don't know weather to cheer on the NFC West or hope that Seattle gets beat because i dislike them.  :-\

Snap. I think the former though. The NFC West gets awful abuse, even though the Seahawks and Cardinals have been to Superbowls fairly recently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2011, 11:28:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:21:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 08, 2011, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:17:43 PM
Great 'fake block' by Carlson for that second seahawks TD.

I hate listening to Halling and that ape of a coach.

Go easy on him AZ, he is fighting cancer. Unless you are talking about  Kevin "what you like on email Nick" Cadle?


Halling is a p***k though.

Jaysus. Sorry to hear that. I still don't like to listen to him though. Cadle offfends my eardrums too.

I don't get too bothered about the Sky analysts as I usually flick over during the breaks as I can't listen to their shit. Count how many times Cadle says "ballgame".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2011, 11:30:47 PM
If the Seahawks win does that mean the Bears have the winner of the other game? I'm thinking NO after a long trip this week having to come to a cold Chicago next week is the best otion available for da Bears so that's what I'm hoping for. Seattle is a tough place to win for anyone. Wow - another great TD! Some game set up for us now!

As for the SKY analysts - can't stick Halling. Cadle is ok.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 08, 2011, 11:31:31 PM
Hasslebeck is playing like a man possessed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:31:51 PM
And count how many times he says it like ball...........game.

This is putting it up to the Saints. 4 TD passes for Dodgyback.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:50:42 PM
Jaysus them two NBC commentators sound exactly like the CBS duo of Nantz and Simms. I thought it was a picture error when I saw their faces.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2011, 11:53:20 PM
Definitely the Simms-a-like is trying to imitate Phil.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:54:40 PM
That could be the ball......game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2011, 11:57:36 PM
I think the Simms a like is Mike Mayock who is more of a college analyst than NFL. He is a great man on draft day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2011, 11:59:05 PM
I think you're right. NBC don't do regular season NFL I think (CBS/FOX/ABC/ESPN).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2011, 12:01:07 AM
NBC do Sunday night game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:01:58 AM
Correct Puck. My mistake. I just went and checked. I never stay up to watch on Sunday night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:12:36 AM
Would that not have been worth a challenge? Looked like his knee was down before the ball broke the plane.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:13:49 AM
Definitely. I suppose it was 1st and goal, so it was probably going to end up as a TD, but it would have taken more time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2011, 12:18:48 AM
Didn't seem enough to over turn. Would have wasted a time out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 09, 2011, 12:18:48 AM
Didn't seem enough to over turn. Would have wasted a time out.

On second viewing I agree. The worm is turning here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:20:40 AM
I tuned out of what the Sky lads were talking about, but I know it was about OT. Are the new OT rules in for the postseason? I seem to remember something back at the ownership meetings last year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 12:21:36 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:19:58 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 09, 2011, 12:18:48 AM
Didn't seem enough to over turn. Would have wasted a time out.

On second viewing I agree. The worm is turning here.

Yeah, looks that way alright but still a lot to do for NO.

AZ - yeah, new ot rules are in for postseason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:22:50 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:20:40 AM
I tuned out of what the Sky lads were talking about, but I know it was about OT. Are the new OT rules in for the postseason? I seem to remember something back at the ownership meetings last year?

Aye, if you win toss and score a fg the other team gets a possession, if they score a TD the game is over. If they score a fg to level, next score wins. AFAIK if you win toss and score a TD game is over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 09, 2011, 12:24:27 AM
All i know about this game is the sportsguy's and Cousin Sal's twitter threads. Sparse but hilarious. I'm presuming Seattle are winning?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:25:15 AM
That's right Minder. The new rules I was thinking of are that if you receive the kickoff, then you must score a TD to win the game immediately. A FG gives the other team the opportunity to answer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:25:53 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 09, 2011, 12:24:27 AM
All i know about this game is the sportsguy's and Cousin Sal's twitter threads. Sparse but hilarious. I'm presuming Seattle are winning?!

Seattle are winning by 4 with 9:13 left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2011, 12:43:50 AM
That should be that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:44:01 AM
Ball




Game


Have you ever seen more pathetic tackling?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 12:44:08 AM
Holy f**k, now I know why they call him "the beast". Mad shit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:44:37 AM
f**k me. Marshawn Lynch!!! 60+ yards run. He was throwing lads off like a dog shaking fleas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 12:58:05 AM
Seattle, worst record to reach playoffs. Saints, biggest road team favourites in 35 years.

Who would have thunk it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 12:59:03 AM
Gotta love the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 01:03:44 AM
I was saying to my brother earlier that I kinda fancied all the road teams on paper but it seldom works out that way. Road wins or any type of wins aren't too handy got at this time of year are they? Love this NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 01:09:48 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 01:03:44 AM
I was saying to my brother earlier that I kinda fancied all the road teams on paper but it seldom works out that way. Road wins or any type of wins aren't too handy got at this time of year are they? Love this NFL.

I have a funny feeling for the Jets, they are better than last year and Colts are worse IMO. They are the best #6 seed you will meet. Fancy both road teams tomorrow.

Hard to bet against Manning at home though.

Three "ball games" in 10 seconds from Cadle there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 01:16:32 AM
Wouldn't argue with that much.

Key to this game is if LT and Shonn Greene can get the run going well for NYJ.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 09, 2011, 01:18:07 AM
What a game  :o

Lets go JETS!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 09, 2011, 01:19:09 AM
Disappointed for the Saints. Injuries really cost them in the end.
Seanie re your question earlier.
If packers win they go to Falcons. If eagles win they go to the Bears. Lowest seed plays highest
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 01:21:40 AM
Thanks Rossie. They said it in commentary. I'll feel dirty tomorrow hoping GB win! Seattle did beat the Bears already this year in Soldier Field but I think its a better matchup than Philly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2011, 01:32:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 01:21:40 AM
Thanks Rossie. They said it in commentary. I'll feel dirty tomorrow hoping GB win! Seattle did beat the Bears already this year in Soldier Field but I think its a better matchup than Philly.

Far better matchup for Bears. Seahawks were 2-6 on the road in the regular season and are a totally different (read worse) team on the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 03:49:36 AM
Poor ould Nick Halling calling it wrong all night!

Indy will probably do this from here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2011, 04:03:16 AM
Guess I was wrong - Some end to this one. Two really enjoyable games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 09, 2011, 01:39:05 PM
Two exciting games, both very different.
Couldn't believe the JETS took it to the wire like that.
Delighted for the Seahawks, always like the underdog and they deserved the win.

Roll on the Packers Eagles!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 09, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
Hope the chiefs win this one!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 09, 2011, 07:00:01 PM
Cmon the Eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: clubland on January 09, 2011, 09:14:45 PM
E~A~G~L~E~S!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2011, 10:06:41 PM
Just paid for NFL Game Pass and they are not showing the f**king Philly-GB game live.  ??? What a pile of shite
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 11:03:39 PM
I don't understand juice. Are you sure? Sure the NFL owns all of these games.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2011, 11:08:04 PM
Yeah, they've blacked out the UK for the post season.  :(

I wonder if I was living at home could I watch it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 11:10:36 PM
Give me your login and I'll try :)

I doubt it to be honest, I think it's because of Sky. You should be able to get your money back though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2011, 11:13:07 PM
QuoteI'm in the United Kingdom, what restrictions are there for my NFL Game Pass Subscription?

For UK audiences, weekly blackout restrictions may apply for locally televised games. Though these live game broadcasts will be blacked out in your area while the game is in progress, you will still be able to watch them in the NFL Game Pass game archive. Additional game restrictions may be added throughout the season due to regional broadcast rights.

NFL postseason games are not available in the NFL Game Pass application in the United Kingdom.

NFL Game Pass subscribers in the UK do not have access to the NFL Network's RedZone channel inside the application.

Only found this after I tried to watch the game live. Maybe I should change my account settings and IP address
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2011, 11:22:29 PM
Get your money back off them. They shouldn't have sold it to you when you put in your address.

Looks like the Sunday games just started. That's a big turnover and TD for Philly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 09, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
I'll keep it sure, i'll watch the delayed coverage. Will have to avoid the Falcons score till the Monday morning
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 10, 2011, 12:07:38 AM
Cant see the Eagles the getting back into it now.

Well of course I can't see a damn thing...................but looking at the Game Centre they needed a score there. But anything can happen. They have 8 minutes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 10, 2011, 12:19:27 AM
Eagles given themselves a chance anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 10, 2011, 12:23:01 AM
Cellek messed up there for the eagles 2 pointer but they were lucky to get TD before, green bay 21- 16 up with 4mins to play

Officials have given the eagles a re try from 7 yard for the 2pts but nothing came of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 10, 2011, 12:25:15 AM
GB should hopefully see this out now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 10, 2011, 12:35:32 AM
Well Philly should get the ball back with just under 2 mins after what should be a punt. Vick and Philly have pulled it off already against the Giants and the Packers already this year so here goes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 10, 2011, 12:44:58 AM
That's it then.

Next week:

NFC
Packers @ Falcons
Seahawks @ Bears

AFC
Ravens @ Steelers
Jets @ Patriots
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 10, 2011, 12:55:32 AM
i got every single pick wrong on who would win this weekends games.  :D
I tipped Kansas to upset what was a sluggish looking(over the past few weeks) Ravens team,That didnt work out well.
No-one seen the Seahawks winning,
Jets came in and ran all-over Indy
Green Bay won on the road against Philly.

AZ
please tell me this fantasy league is decided on,predicting the whole playoffsand not just the wildcard weekend,because if not i concede already!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 10, 2011, 08:53:56 AM
Great display from Rodgers last night,should be a cracking game with the Falcons who have a good home record this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 12, 2011, 04:53:28 PM
Don't know if anyone caught the BCS National Championship Game on Monday. Brilliant game played by two evenly matched teams that came down to a last second field goal by Auburn to beat Oregon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2011, 05:04:16 PM
I taped it and watched it last night. Great game, Oregon did a right job on Cam Newton, and Auburn did a right job on the Oregon running game. Great stuff. That's something like 7-0 for SEC teams in BCS National Championship games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 15, 2011, 05:21:25 PM
looking forward to the greenbay / seahawks game tonight should be a good one, hoping for a greenbay victory
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 05:37:07 PM
Its Packers @ Falcons tonight, Seahawks are playing tomorrow in Chicago. I'm a Falcons fan and while I think the Packers are looking really strong I'm hoping that our week off and hope-field advantage counts for something.

Lets not forget the Ravens @ Steelers. Its going to be another brute force battle between them two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 15, 2011, 05:50:21 PM
Tipping the falcons for the win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 15, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
Seriously looking forward to this weekends action. The beers are chillin for tonight's double header - great having them on a Saturday with no work tomorrow! Two great games. Ravens v. Pittsburgh has been a slug fest and promises to be similar tonight. Pack v. Atlanta was great a few weeks ago and could be even better tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2011, 07:15:49 PM
Yep, me too. And I've just got Sky HD in, so I'm doubly looking forward to it.

Ballyhaise, you still haven't sent me your picks!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 09:58:25 PM
good game.

cant say i want either team to win, just want them to knock seven shades out of each other for my amusement,

Ward shouldn't have been the only one penalised for fighting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 15, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
Dont know alot about either of these teams because i pay more attention to the NFC but good game so far. Go steelers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
Refs are a bit too keen with the flags I think. really stiff on Pass interference nowadays
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 10:20:05 PM
Definite fumble!!

Play the whistle!!! you fools!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2011, 10:26:31 PM
Playoff game and they stand around looking at each other with a live ball on the ground. Unreal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 15, 2011, 10:42:50 PM
Steelers are falling apart here!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
all going against them now. they are losing the turn over battle which is the winning of these games. Neither team are going to have a load of offence.

something like over 109yds of penalties and not even half way through the 2nd qtr
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2011, 10:58:25 PM
Meant to have a punt on the Ravens, thought they were a good thing tonight. Forgot  :'(

8-3 in their last 11 road playoff games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 15, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 05:37:07 PM
Its Packers @ Falcons tonight, Seahawks are playing tomorrow in Chicago. I'm a Falcons fan and while I think the Packers are looking really strong I'm hoping that our week off and hope-field advantage counts for something.

Lets not forget the Ravens @ Steelers. Its going to be another brute force battle between them two.

your right juice meant to write green bay v's falcons anyway looks like my dream of baltimore winning the superbowl is still intact for another week at least . what 's it like in 3d Az ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2011, 11:45:43 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2011, 10:58:25 PM
Meant to have a punt on the Ravens, thought they were a good thing tonight. Forgot  :'(

8-3 in their last 11 road playoff games.

still 4/7 Minder
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on January 15, 2011, 11:54:54 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2011, 10:26:31 PM
Playoff game and they stand around looking at each other with a live ball on the ground. Unreal.

Great  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 15, 2011, 11:58:36 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 15, 2011, 11:13:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 15, 2011, 05:37:07 PM
Its Packers @ Falcons tonight, Seahawks are playing tomorrow in Chicago. I'm a Falcons fan and while I think the Packers are looking really strong I'm hoping that our week off and hope-field advantage counts for something.

Lets not forget the Ravens @ Steelers. Its going to be another brute force battle between them two.

your right juice meant to write green bay v's falcons anyway looks like my dream of baltimore winning the superbowl is still intact for another week at least . what 's it like in 3d Az ?

maybe not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2011, 12:01:56 AM
Ravens are gone to feck!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2011, 12:02:58 AM
Ravens are Shite!! Money well saved Minder
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2011, 12:08:20 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 16, 2011, 12:02:58 AM
Ravens are Shite!! Money well saved Minder

It feels like a win  ;D They aren't beat yet though, +3 in the handicap.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 12:29:51 AM
ahh thought the ravens had it there.

class game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2011, 12:43:31 AM
 Nick Halling is such a f**king c**k
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 01:00:22 AM
he's no harm, he know's his stuff. not as wooden as the other lad.

Receivers are doing Flacco no favours.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2011, 01:30:45 AM
Turnover already! Should have been a big gain for the packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2011, 01:36:11 AM
Touchdown Falcons 7-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 01:40:24 AM
WWWWWoooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Go on Turner!!

Nervous start but we're winning. Perhaps a bit lucky but they might settle down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: winsamsoon on January 16, 2011, 01:52:02 AM
Falcons -0.5 in the first quarter £30 @5/4 and Turner first touch down £10  @6/1

sweet
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 01:59:27 AM
They have too much for our defence but we have other ways of scoring. GO ON WEEMS


Wooooo-HOOOOooooo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 02:46:56 AM
Disastrous.. Ryan is making terrible decisions. Haven't even looked to Gonzales yet. Need to keep Rogers off the field. Run the f**king ball
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2011, 03:04:50 AM
Rodgers 22/25 for almost 300 yards  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 03:09:49 AM
Can't cover and can't put pressure on Rogers. It's looking so easy for the Packers it's embarrassing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 03:30:27 AM
Thats it. I've seen enough.

I think I'll go clean the toilet.

Packers look like a good pick for the Superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2011, 07:02:00 PM
Bears making it look easy so far. 21-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: superblues on January 16, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
bears looking good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2011, 07:16:37 PM
How on earth did the Seahawks beat Brees and co. last week?! Last week was their Superbowl by the looks of things.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2011, 08:33:35 PM
Hope the Pats/Jets game is better. This one has been a complete non-event.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2011, 08:39:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2011, 07:16:37 PM
How on earth did the Seahawks beat Brees and co. last week?! Last week was their Superbowl by the looks of things.

Brees isnt the player of last year, Saints D is poor and Seahawks are a totally different (worse) team on the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
I don't like the Pats and I'd like to see the Jets win. But even more so a Patriots-Packers Superbowl would be a brilliant finish to the season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Halling was a dick last night, and actually I think he is most nights. It's a common trait in Steeler fans in the media I find, even though the organisation itself is top class. No mention of blatant holding calls by Steelers at crucial times that the refs missed. You can bet that if the Ravens got away with it Halling would have been on it.

I suppose he is better than the thunderbirds puppet that has somehow found his way into the studio beside him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on January 16, 2011, 10:16:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2011, 10:15:32 PM
Halling was a dick last night, and actually I think he is most nights. It's a common trait in Steeler fans in the media I find, even though the organisation itself is top class. No mention of blatant holding calls by Steelers at crucial times that the refs missed. You can bet that if the Ravens got away with it Halling would have been on it.

I suppose he is better than the thunderbirds puppet that has somehow found his way into the studio beside him.

What's it like in 3D?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2011, 10:17:58 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3561/3441211181_d5327e4cdc.jpg)

Not on Sky 3D I think. Liverpool Everton was earlier on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 10:18:31 PM
Can you see the strings??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2011, 10:20:07 PM
You can actually :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
looking good for the jets. terrible execution of the fake punt by the Pats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
I don't like either of these teams, but it's a fascinating rivalry in fairness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Have a bad feeling the Jets are gonna win the Super Bowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2011, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Have a bad feeling the Jets are gonna win the Super Bowl

+1 hope im wrong though, can't stand Rex Ryan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2011, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Have a bad feeling the Jets are gonna win the Super Bowl

+1 hope im wrong though, can't stand Rex Ryan

That is the main reason for my dislike of them. A total gobshite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 16, 2011, 11:32:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 16, 2011, 11:14:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Have a bad feeling the Jets are gonna win the Super Bowl

+1 hope im wrong though, can't stand Rex Ryan

That is the main reason for my dislike of them. A total gobshite.

I agree with all of that.

Plenty of time for the Pats to sort it out though I'm not too fond of them either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2011, 11:47:50 PM
Brady starting to fire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 16, 2011, 11:58:47 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 16, 2011, 11:10:32 PM
Have a bad feeling the Jets are gonna win the Super Bowl

Steelers vs Bears

Bears win the Super Bowl by 3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 17, 2011, 12:50:39 AM
Delighted for the Pats!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 17, 2011, 12:57:25 AM
Belichick called a terrible game it must be said. Sexy Rexy definitely won that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 17, 2011, 01:01:25 AM
Pats just didn't execute the trick plays. When they work Belichick is the smartest coach in the business. But nothing worked all night. Jets had an answer for everything from them.  Jets secondary were immense, I would love to have had them in atlanta last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Hope the packers win it all!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 17, 2011, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Hope the packers win it all!

go away
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on January 17, 2011, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Hope the packers win it all!

go away

???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 17, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
The Steelers will win it. Sanchez isn't good enough at QB for the Jets the Pats have at times the worst pass defense in the NFL wheras the Jets have just about the best pass defense when they are in the mood that was the big difference last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2011, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 17, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
The Steelers will win it. Sanchez isn't good enough at QB for the Jets the Pats have at times the worst pass defense in the NFL wheras the Jets have just about the best pass defense when they are in the mood that was the big difference last night.

They will also be facing a team that can run the ball consistently, something the Colts or Pats couldn't, which makes a huge difference in coverages.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 17, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on January 17, 2011, 01:07:56 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 01:05:40 AM
Hope the packers win it all!

go away

???

Bears fan like myself. To hell with the cheese heads!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 17, 2011, 10:50:28 PM
NBA league pass free until sunday, deadly picture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 18, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
JETS were solid against the Pats at the weekend, with their special teams being the only weak link. They should bounce back and I really fancy them to beat the Steelers. Pittsburgh were not fantastic and still won though which is worrying - there best might be still to come.

Would prefer the Bears over the Packers, Rogers has been amazing all year but my heart is with the Bears.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 18, 2011, 04:47:13 PM
I can't bear (boom boom) the thought of Jay Cutler taking that team to the superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 18, 2011, 04:47:13 PM
I can't bear (boom boom) the thought of Jay Cutler taking that team to the superbowl.

+1 seen him at Lake Tahoe a few years back seemed like a right w**ker, wouldn't acknowledge anyone. You would see through it if it was Michael Jordan and he didn't get left alone!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 18, 2011, 05:31:45 PM
Aaron Rodgers is in fantastic form but i thought the Bears D did a decent job on him at Lambeau a few weeks ago.Soldier Field will be absolutely rocking on Sunday and i think the Bears have a really good chance of doing it.
Looking at the Seattle game last week,Cutler got away with 3 or 4 throws that normally would have been intercepted so he will have to be more careful against the Green Bay secondary who won't let him off like Seattle did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 21, 2011, 10:49:23 PM
Chicago Tribune has a load of photo's of the Bears Vs Packers through the years. Great pics.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-110119-bears-packers-through-the-years-pictures,0,3566514.photogallery


(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-01/58874541.jpg)

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-01/58874544.jpg)

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-01/58849898.jpg)

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-01/58891711.jpg)

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-01/58890922.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 21, 2011, 10:51:02 PM
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-01/58850269.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 23, 2011, 07:30:24 PM
Lets go Rodgers.  Time to rip these Bears to pieces.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2011, 07:33:44 PM
Both road teams to win tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 23, 2011, 07:47:20 PM
Got $200 dollars to waste?  :o
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/fade-black/2011/jan/22/alternatives-200-outside-super-bowl-ticket/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 23, 2011, 08:10:25 PM
Great start for the Pack.  Rodgers on form.  Lets go Pack!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 08:52:12 PM
14-0 packers  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 09:04:07 PM
Bears turn down a 49 yard field goal then kick it for a touchback  ::). Was hoping for a close game but the way this is going it will be over by the half!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 23, 2011, 09:18:35 PM
Dissappointed with the Bears but the Packers are a different beast now than the regular season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 23, 2011, 09:41:53 PM
Kevin stung Nick there about Hines Ward    :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
Messy game, lets hope the next one is a lot better!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2011, 10:01:02 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling they wouldn't exactly charge to follow Jay Cutler into battle?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2011, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 23, 2011, 10:01:02 PM
Does anyone else get the feeling they wouldn't exactly charge to follow Jay Cutler into battle?

He is "allegedly" a total bollix.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2011, 10:06:05 PM
Yes, I have heard that said a few times. The commentators on American TV usually drop in some sort of euphemism for it when you know what you're listening for. Sometimes it's his 'competitive nature' , i.e. he ates the shite out of his team mates, or his 'strong personality', i.e. he's a total codpiece.

*Edit* The fecking head on him there on the bench, wouldn't you think a leader would be up cheering on his teammates now that he's injured and can't help physically. Sitting on the bench in a big coat with a big sulky head on him. Notice how many lads are around him consoling him? I counted, lemme see, eh, yeah, zero.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2011, 10:18:22 PM
Urlacher is still a beast. I love watching him and Clay Matthews play linebacker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 23, 2011, 10:20:16 PM
Bears defence playing very well this half. They don't look like scoring at all though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 23, 2011, 10:32:07 PM
3rd choice QB to take the Bears to the Superbowl. that would be some storey
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2011, 10:47:05 PM
Pack have went badly off the boil.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2011, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 23, 2011, 10:47:05 PM
Pack have went badly off the boil.

Fail
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 11:03:45 PM
Green Bay punter has been the best player in this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 23, 2011, 11:21:07 PM
no fairy tale ending. best team got there in the end.

Have a sneaking feeling the Jets will win the next one though I backed the Steelers earlier in the week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2011, 11:24:20 PM
Good defence on both sides.  Packers just about deserved that.  Rogers started well but faded badly and would need to up his game to win a super bowl. 
Think the winner will come from this next game.
Lets go Jets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2011, 11:26:57 PM
Did you ever see a more Irish looking head than that Packers GM Murphy, he looked like Willie Bang Bang Casey. McCarthy the coach as well, and they wear Green white and Gold(ish). Go Pack :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 11:27:43 PM
Even though i don't like Rex Ryan i would rather see a Jets Packers Superbowl than the Steelers v Packers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2011, 11:28:19 PM
Disappointing in the end. You'd have to feel sorry for the Bears Defense, couldn't have done more really. Feck it anyway. I agree with the comments about Cutler. Young Hanie showed way more balls late on that Cutler showed at any time. I think GB will win the Superbowl now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Doire abú on January 23, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
any good quality streams?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 11:54:21 PM
http://www.firstrow.net/webmaster/Live-Football-Stream/46816/2/watch-chicago-bears-vs-green-bay-packers.html

HD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Doire abú on January 24, 2011, 12:04:21 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 23, 2011, 11:54:21 PM
http://www.firstrow.net/webmaster/Live-Football-Stream/46816/2/watch-chicago-bears-vs-green-bay-packers.html

HD

good man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 24, 2011, 12:18:28 AM
Stillers look fired up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 24, 2011, 01:29:24 AM
Rooney and Cowen sitting together. Was that in Tallaght stadium?? Looked like a flag game going on. Must have been the Shamrock bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2011, 01:32:11 AM
Poor Cutler getting it from all sides it seems!  Fans and players thinking he bottled it and looked for excuses to leave the game.  Some twitter comments from other players seem to think he should have been able to play on.  Don't think thats very fair especially them not knowing how bad the injury was.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 24, 2011, 01:40:09 AM
I was wondering about cutler myself, and the commentators kept reiterating that cutler couldn't remember when he got hurt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 24, 2011, 01:44:28 AM
Jets needed that,

and now some more of that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2011, 01:44:56 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 24, 2011, 01:40:09 AM
I was wondering about cutler myself, and the commentators kept reiterating that cutler couldn't remember when he got hurt.

I'm certainly not his biggest fan.  Still a bit bitter over the whole fiasco in Denver.  But for other players to publicly question his commitment without knowing the severity of his knee injury is wrong.

Just saw a picture of Bears fans either trying to cut up or set alight a Jersey with Cutler on the back.  Some fans.  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 24, 2011, 01:52:25 AM
Game on!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2011, 01:55:45 AM
Steelers getting the ball back already.

Think the Jets fell to far behind to pull off this comeback.  Needed something from that drive yet couldn't get a first down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 24, 2011, 02:24:24 AM
1 yard to score and they called the stupidest series of plays I have ever seen. WTF jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2011, 02:25:05 AM
Safety.  We have a game on our hands folks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:28:26 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 24, 2011, 02:24:24 AM
1 yard to score and they called the stupidest series of plays I have ever seen. WTF jets.
Totally agree Puck, moronic playcalling from Shottenheimer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 24, 2011, 02:51:05 AM
The Superbowl I wanted to see before tonights games.

Steelers vs Packers.

It should be a cracker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 24, 2011, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 24, 2011, 01:29:24 AM
Rooney and Cowen sitting together. Was that in Tallaght stadium?? Looked like a flag game going on. Must have been the Shamrock bowl.

Nope, I dont think that was the Shamrock Bowl, I was there and neither Cowen nor Rooney attended. I think that was last year. The staff of the embassy and some of the Marines etc. played a game of flag football for Thanksgiving, on the Saturday before it. I'd be friendly with some of them and was asked to play. However I was in Derry for that weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 24, 2011, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

Not a fan of Cutler. Contrast what he did yesterday to what Phil Rivers did against the Pats two years ago, playing through an entire AFC Championship game on one leg, limping around with a torn ACL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
(disclaimer, I am a pats fan)

Great to see those arrogant fcukers the jets turfed out on their arse, the shoe sniffer threw his cap and headphones down in disgust, hell slap it up them fcukers. :D

fair play to the packers, i hope they go on to win it for the fans here in town and all over the world, Green bay is called titletown for a reason and I hope they get the job done against a very good team in the steelers.

prediction, Pack 28 Steelers 24.

As for Cutler, he could have helped himself by looking like he gave a shite but it cant be much fun in fairness running around with a torn MCL, still, it has been done before but he was protecting his investment in his long term health and he will probably get back quicker as a result, the guy led them to a 12-4 record and got them to the NFC title game and this is the best their fans can do?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 25, 2011, 01:20:08 AM
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
(disclaimer, I am a pats fan)

Great to see those arrogant fcukers the jets turfed out on their arse, the shoe sniffer threw his cap and headphones down in disgust, hell slap it up them fcukers. :D

fair play to the packers, i hope they go on to win it for the fans here in town and all over the world, Green bay is called titletown for a reason and I hope they get the job done against a very good team in the steelers.

prediction, Pack 28 Steelers 24.

As for Cutler, he could have helped himself by looking like he gave a shite but it cant be much fun in fairness running around with a torn MCL, still, it has been done before but he was protecting his investment in his long term health and he will probably get back quicker as a result, the guy led them to a 12-4 record and got them to the NFC title game and this is the best their fans can do?

My God but you need to take the blinkers off lad. Steelers are the epitomy of aragonce - probably as hated in this part of the world as much as the Pats. If there were ever a hateful bunch of supporters its Pats' :P

Greenbay is known as titletown?!?!? sure they haven't won  a Superbowl in 42 years?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on January 25, 2011, 05:27:51 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 25, 2011, 01:20:08 AM
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
(disclaimer, I am a pats fan)

Great to see those arrogant fcukers the jets turfed out on their arse, the shoe sniffer threw his cap and headphones down in disgust, hell slap it up them fcukers. :D

fair play to the packers, i hope they go on to win it for the fans here in town and all over the world, Green bay is called titletown for a reason and I hope they get the job done against a very good team in the steelers.

prediction, Pack 28 Steelers 24.

As for Cutler, he could have helped himself by looking like he gave a shite but it cant be much fun in fairness running around with a torn MCL, still, it has been done before but he was protecting his investment in his long term health and he will probably get back quicker as a result, the guy led them to a 12-4 record and got them to the NFC title game and this is the best their fans can do?

My God but you need to take the blinkers off lad. Steelers are the epitomy of aragonce - probably as hated in this part of the world as much as the Pats. If there were ever a hateful bunch of supporters its Pats' :P

Greenbay is known as titletown?!?!? sure they haven't won  a Superbowl in 42 years?
1997 with Favre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
(disclaimer, I am a pats fan)

Great to see those arrogant fcukers the jets turfed out on their arse, the shoe sniffer threw his cap and headphones down in disgust, hell slap it up them fcukers. :D


Delighted you enjoyed it stew but I guarantee that your happiness will come no where near the feeling jets nation had beating your Pats. Probably the sweetest victory the Jets have ever had. Man did it feel good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 25, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 25, 2011, 05:27:51 AM

1997 with Favre
oops

well before that!! ha

bottom line Stew's comments on the JETS are not appreciated :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 25, 2011, 02:48:24 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 24, 2011, 09:52:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

Not a fan of Cutler. Contrast what he did yesterday to what Phil Rivers did against the Pats two years ago, playing through an entire AFC Championship game on one leg, limping around with a torn ACL.

What has Rivers got to do with it? Was Rivers leg the one he throws his weight onto when throwing? Does everyone have the same pain threshold. Did Rivers' offensive line allow dozens of sacks on him that season? Its ludicrous to hold anyone to that type of standard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2011, 03:50:39 PM
How about holding him to a standard where he trys to help out his backups, or put on a headset and talked to the OC, or helped Heine read the photos he was looking at?

He sat with a face like a spoiled child sulking on the bench, and I never saw one player or coach speak to him or console him, nor did I see him make any shape towards supporting or leading his team from the sideline until about 3 minutes to go.

He's a mé feiner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2011, 06:02:30 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: stew on January 25, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
(disclaimer, I am a pats fan)

Great to see those arrogant fcukers the jets turfed out on their arse, the shoe sniffer threw his cap and headphones down in disgust, hell slap it up them fcukers. :D


Delighted you enjoyed it stew but I guarantee that your happiness will come no where near the feeling jets nation had beating your Pats. Probably the sweetest victory the Jets have ever had. Man did it feel good.

That in itself is a sad indictment on the organization, to say that a second round conference playoff win was the sweetest win they have had is really pathetic, that said the Jets were brilliant on the day.

In relation to the Steelers, they and the packers are said to be the best run, classist organizations in the country in any sport, the pats I would consider a great organization but they got caught cheating and that cheapens them.

By the way, the packers have won more Championship than anybody, that is a fact, they last won the Superbowl in 96 not 42 year ago and they got beaten by denver in 97, the last time they made it to the show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2011, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 25, 2011, 02:45:52 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on January 25, 2011, 05:27:51 AM

1997 with Favre
oops

well before that!! ha

bottom line Stew's comments on the JETS are not appreciated :P

maybe not iceman but they are true.

By the way, I used to live in salem, just outside of boston and supported the Pats when they stunk, that was in 88, i support all the beantown teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 25, 2011, 06:29:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2011, 03:50:39 PM
How about holding him to a standard where he trys to help out his backups, or put on a headset and talked to the OC, or helped Heine read the photos he was looking at?

He sat with a face like a spoiled child sulking on the bench, and I never saw one player or coach speak to him or console him, nor did I see him make any shape towards supporting or leading his team from the sideline until about 3 minutes to go.

He's a mé feiner.

Sorry, but that's a different argument, albeit one I've no issue with. But the hysteria was all about him opting out when not badly injured, or, even worse, chickening out when he wasn't injured at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2011, 07:22:03 PM
Grand. I thought you were having pop at my comments on the night. By the way, it's only a 'strained MCL' according to the Bears?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 25, 2011, 08:11:59 PM
In fairness, the only thing that makes Sanchez even close to being a clutch quarterback is his propensity to have shit first halves in big games!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 25, 2011, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??

I really just dont think he's good enough. He's just too up and down. Look how well Jaaash Freeman is playing. I know which of the two I'd prefer, and Freeman was taken after Sanchez. The Jets might have trouble repeating this next year. Edwards, Cromartie, and Holmes are all FA's next season (if there is a next season), the Jets may very well be unable to afford them all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?
I think you are being too objective in your view here. Its easy to say that about the Bills when they were a very good team for those years. Last year the Jets were frankly lucky to get into the POs. They were branded overachievers and lucky to make the playoffs, and quite honestly, with how the Colts and the Bengals resting their starters,  they were. This year there was no luck involved, they had maybe the fourth or so best regular season record. You say the regular season does matter. Using your argument, take the Seahawks - they make the playoffs this year with a losing record and manage to catch the Saints on the hop, if next year they go 12-4 and win their first playoff game but not their second, you are saying that that is not a great year whereas in reality they have improved enormously and played much better than the previous year.
Maybe being a jets fan my judgement is clouded but as a Jets fan, but I would have thought that the objective view was that it was a great year, I suppose I can't really make that call. What I can say is that as a fan, it definitely was a great year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??
Without a doubt. Whatever you say about Sanchez, this cannot be doubted. Countless times this year and last year he came up big when it mattered. I'm not saying he is a very good QB, but when it matters, Sanchez comes out to play. This year alone - last minute drive the length of the field to beat Houston with a TD pass to Holmes, Browns in overtime, Lions in overtime, down the field vs the Colts with 45 seconds to go to get the FG, how he played against the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 25, 2011, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??

I really just dont think he's good enough. He's just too up and down. Look how well Jaaash Freeman is playing. I know which of the two I'd prefer, and Freeman was taken after Sanchez. The Jets might have trouble repeating this next year. Edwards, Cromartie, and Holmes are all FA's next season (if there is a next season), the Jets may very well be unable to afford them all.
I do like Freeman, and would admit that on this year's performance he was better than Sanchez. The point I was making is that Sanchez is a winner. Similar to what Big Ben is like. I am not comparing him to Ben, I am just saying that he has that quality of being a winner, and coming up big when it matters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on January 26, 2011, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?
I think you are being too objective in your view here. Its easy to say that about the Bills when they were a very good team for those years. Last year the Jets were frankly lucky to get into the POs. They were branded overachievers and lucky to make the playoffs, and quite honestly, with how the Colts and the Bengals resting their starters,  they were. This year there was no luck involved, they had maybe the fourth or so best regular season record. You say the regular season does matter. Using your argument, take the Seahawks - they make the playoffs this year with a losing record and manage to catch the Saints on the hop, if next year they go 12-4 and win their first playoff game but not their second, you are saying that that is not a great year whereas in reality they have improved enormously and played much better than the previous year.
Maybe being a jets fan my judgement is clouded but as a Jets fan, but I would have thought that the objective view was that it was a great year, I suppose I can't really make that call. What I can say is that as a fan, it definitely was a great year.

I can't argue with that but taking your Seahawks example they are still in the same poor division so winning it again has to be their goal for this year and, yes, winning more playoff games than they did this year has to be the goal as well.
There are two seasons in the NFL, one to get you to the playoff and then the playoffs themselves. Once you do well in the first, the second is forgotten about. The Packers won a game less in the regular season this year than they did last year. I doubt they're worried
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 26, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 25, 2011, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??

I really just dont think he's good enough. He's just too up and down. Look how well Jaaash Freeman is playing. I know which of the two I'd prefer, and Freeman was taken after Sanchez. The Jets might have trouble repeating this next year. Edwards, Cromartie, and Holmes are all FA's next season (if there is a next season), the Jets may very well be unable to afford them all.
I do like Freeman, and would admit that on this year's performance he was better than Sanchez. The point I was making is that Sanchez is a winner. Similar to what Big Ben is like. I am not comparing him to Ben, I am just saying that he has that quality of being a winner, and coming up big when it matters.

He has had games where he's played well late/ had good second halves/ made big plays late to win it for the Jets, no doubt. My point is, on many of those occasions his poor play is what initially led to the Jets being in trouble!

Manning won DESPITE a poor D, Brady wins despite a young D and a suspect running game. The Jets win because of strong D, solid Special Teams, and playmakers elsewhere on offence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 26, 2011, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:10:12 AM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 06:13:09 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on January 25, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 25, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2011, 08:30:54 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 24, 2011, 02:53:17 AM
It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?
I think you are being too objective in your view here. Its easy to say that about the Bills when they were a very good team for those years. Last year the Jets were frankly lucky to get into the POs. They were branded overachievers and lucky to make the playoffs, and quite honestly, with how the Colts and the Bengals resting their starters,  they were. This year there was no luck involved, they had maybe the fourth or so best regular season record. You say the regular season does matter. Using your argument, take the Seahawks - they make the playoffs this year with a losing record and manage to catch the Saints on the hop, if next year they go 12-4 and win their first playoff game but not their second, you are saying that that is not a great year whereas in reality they have improved enormously and played much better than the previous year.
Maybe being a jets fan my judgement is clouded but as a Jets fan, but I would have thought that the objective view was that it was a great year, I suppose I can't really make that call. What I can say is that as a fan, it definitely was a great year.

I can't argue with that but taking your Seahawks example they are still in the same poor division so winning it again has to be their goal for this year and, yes, winning more playoff games than they did this year has to be the goal as well.
There are two seasons in the NFL, one to get you to the playoff and then the playoffs themselves. Once you do well in the first, the second is forgotten about. The Packers won a game less in the regular season this year than they did last year. I doubt they're worried
Take for example the year Meath got to the semi final vs Kerry two years ago and were defeated easily. That year they got lucky fixtures against the likes of Limerick and Mayo to get that far. Now say the year after they got to the semi final but beat teams like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone on the way, i.e. they got there is a much more convinving fashion than the previous year, and then only narrowly lost to, say, Cork in the semi final. I would still consider that a great year because of the teams they beat and the manner in which they got to that stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2011, 02:12:01 PM
Sanchez could turn out to be very good but at the minute he just isn't accurate enough. He has good weapons and a good offensive line yet his completion percentage is only just above 50%.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 02:14:15 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 26, 2011, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 10:21:28 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 25, 2011, 11:45:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2011, 07:57:46 PM
Quote from: The Claw on January 25, 2011, 11:58:32 AM
As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??

I really just dont think he's good enough. He's just too up and down. Look how well Jaaash Freeman is playing. I know which of the two I'd prefer, and Freeman was taken after Sanchez. The Jets might have trouble repeating this next year. Edwards, Cromartie, and Holmes are all FA's next season (if there is a next season), the Jets may very well be unable to afford them all.
I do like Freeman, and would admit that on this year's performance he was better than Sanchez. The point I was making is that Sanchez is a winner. Similar to what Big Ben is like. I am not comparing him to Ben, I am just saying that he has that quality of being a winner, and coming up big when it matters.

He has had games where he's played well late/ had good second halves/ made big plays late to win it for the Jets, no doubt. My point is, on many of those occasions his poor play is what initially led to the Jets being in trouble!

Manning won DESPITE a poor D, Brady wins despite a young D and a suspect running game. The Jets win because of strong D, solid Special Teams, and playmakers elsewhere on offence.
Yea I suppose your argument about his poor play causing them to be down in fair enough. I don't think it happens every time, but sometimes that is the case. For example the Jets D couldn't stop anything in the first half versus the Steelers so you couldn't blame Sanchez for that. But even though that might be the case sometimes, he still comes up good when it matters, and I'd rather have that quality in someone rather than someone who will not make the play on the last snap of the game.

I agree that much of the Jets' success has been down to D/ST and a strong running game, but it is unfair to compare Sanchez to Brady or Manning. But most teams, with the exception of the aforementioned Brady and Manning have the same. Ben, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, Cassell all have good D and running games. He has some things to work out like his accuracy from inside the pocket and his decision making but he is only in his second year and I really like the qualities he brings to the table. If Jets had a better OC I think he would really blossom.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on January 26, 2011, 03:32:00 PM
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It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?
I think you are being too objective in your view here. Its easy to say that about the Bills when they were a very good team for those years. Last year the Jets were frankly lucky to get into the POs. They were branded overachievers and lucky to make the playoffs, and quite honestly, with how the Colts and the Bengals resting their starters,  they were. This year there was no luck involved, they had maybe the fourth or so best regular season record. You say the regular season does matter. Using your argument, take the Seahawks - they make the playoffs this year with a losing record and manage to catch the Saints on the hop, if next year they go 12-4 and win their first playoff game but not their second, you are saying that that is not a great year whereas in reality they have improved enormously and played much better than the previous year.
Maybe being a jets fan my judgement is clouded but as a Jets fan, but I would have thought that the objective view was that it was a great year, I suppose I can't really make that call. What I can say is that as a fan, it definitely was a great year.

I can't argue with that but taking your Seahawks example they are still in the same poor division so winning it again has to be their goal for this year and, yes, winning more playoff games than they did this year has to be the goal as well.
There are two seasons in the NFL, one to get you to the playoff and then the playoffs themselves. Once you do well in the first, the second is forgotten about. The Packers won a game less in the regular season this year than they did last year. I doubt they're worried
Take for example the year Meath got to the semi final vs Kerry two years ago and were defeated easily. That year they got lucky fixtures against the likes of Limerick and Mayo to get that far. Now say the year after they got to the semi final but beat teams like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone on the way, i.e. they got there is a much more convinving fashion than the previous year, and then only narrowly lost to, say, Cork in the semi final. I would still consider that a great year because of the teams they beat and the manner in which they got to that stage.

The systems are totally different and can't be compared. The regular season is there to get to the playoffs. The Championship, even with the backdoor, is one big playoff from the start.
I doubt before the season started the Jets would have been happy with not getting any further than they did last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 26, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
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As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??

I really just dont think he's good enough. He's just too up and down. Look how well Jaaash Freeman is playing. I know which of the two I'd prefer, and Freeman was taken after Sanchez. The Jets might have trouble repeating this next year. Edwards, Cromartie, and Holmes are all FA's next season (if there is a next season), the Jets may very well be unable to afford them all.
I do like Freeman, and would admit that on this year's performance he was better than Sanchez. The point I was making is that Sanchez is a winner. Similar to what Big Ben is like. I am not comparing him to Ben, I am just saying that he has that quality of being a winner, and coming up big when it matters.

He has had games where he's played well late/ had good second halves/ made big plays late to win it for the Jets, no doubt. My point is, on many of those occasions his poor play is what initially led to the Jets being in trouble!

Manning won DESPITE a poor D, Brady wins despite a young D and a suspect running game. The Jets win because of strong D, solid Special Teams, and playmakers elsewhere on offence.
Yea I suppose your argument about his poor play causing them to be down in fair enough. I don't think it happens every time, but sometimes that is the case. For example the Jets D couldn't stop anything in the first half versus the Steelers so you couldn't blame Sanchez for that. But even though that might be the case sometimes, he still comes up good when it matters, and I'd rather have that quality in someone rather than someone who will not make the play on the last snap of the game.

I agree that much of the Jets' success has been down to D/ST and a strong running game, but it is unfair to compare Sanchez to Brady or Manning. But most teams, with the exception of the aforementioned Brady and Manning have the same. Ben, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, Cassell all have good D and running games. He has some things to work out like his accuracy from inside the pocket and his decision making but he is only in his second year and I really like the qualities he brings to the table. If Jets had a better OC I think he would really blossom.

I know its unfair to compare him with those players, but it made it easy to illustrate my point. I just dont think his arm is good enough. Particularly when he could potentially have to spend the rest of his career in the windy, cold North East. I do like his guts, and he's a tough player, but at the end of the day its a QB league and you need an elite one to win. As I said the Jets could potentially be losing some pieces in the off season, so Sanchez now MUST make that transition. Unfortunately for the Jets it looks like Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman are the lads more likely to do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
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It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?
I think you are being too objective in your view here. Its easy to say that about the Bills when they were a very good team for those years. Last year the Jets were frankly lucky to get into the POs. They were branded overachievers and lucky to make the playoffs, and quite honestly, with how the Colts and the Bengals resting their starters,  they were. This year there was no luck involved, they had maybe the fourth or so best regular season record. You say the regular season does matter. Using your argument, take the Seahawks - they make the playoffs this year with a losing record and manage to catch the Saints on the hop, if next year they go 12-4 and win their first playoff game but not their second, you are saying that that is not a great year whereas in reality they have improved enormously and played much better than the previous year.
Maybe being a jets fan my judgement is clouded but as a Jets fan, but I would have thought that the objective view was that it was a great year, I suppose I can't really make that call. What I can say is that as a fan, it definitely was a great year.

I can't argue with that but taking your Seahawks example they are still in the same poor division so winning it again has to be their goal for this year and, yes, winning more playoff games than they did this year has to be the goal as well.
There are two seasons in the NFL, one to get you to the playoff and then the playoffs themselves. Once you do well in the first, the second is forgotten about. The Packers won a game less in the regular season this year than they did last year. I doubt they're worried
Take for example the year Meath got to the semi final vs Kerry two years ago and were defeated easily. That year they got lucky fixtures against the likes of Limerick and Mayo to get that far. Now say the year after they got to the semi final but beat teams like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone on the way, i.e. they got there is a much more convinving fashion than the previous year, and then only narrowly lost to, say, Cork in the semi final. I would still consider that a great year because of the teams they beat and the manner in which they got to that stage.

The systems are totally different and can't be compared. The regular season is there to get to the playoffs. The Championship, even with the backdoor, is one big playoff from the start.
I doubt before the season started the Jets would have been happy with not getting any further than they did last year
I think the Jets would be very happy with how they played both during the regular season and how they defeated both the Colts and the Patriots, two of the top teams of the last decade, in the playoffs, and just coming up short against the other top team of the last decade. Anyway I think we might have to call it quits on this one CT, if you want to continue I will, but I don't think either of us are going to concede any ground! Have enjoyed the debate all the same - we need more such debates on this thread.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 26, 2011, 05:47:42 PM
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As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

I've only started watching American Football in the last three or four years and there's still plenty I don't know, but is that bit true??

I really just dont think he's good enough. He's just too up and down. Look how well Jaaash Freeman is playing. I know which of the two I'd prefer, and Freeman was taken after Sanchez. The Jets might have trouble repeating this next year. Edwards, Cromartie, and Holmes are all FA's next season (if there is a next season), the Jets may very well be unable to afford them all.
I do like Freeman, and would admit that on this year's performance he was better than Sanchez. The point I was making is that Sanchez is a winner. Similar to what Big Ben is like. I am not comparing him to Ben, I am just saying that he has that quality of being a winner, and coming up big when it matters.

He has had games where he's played well late/ had good second halves/ made big plays late to win it for the Jets, no doubt. My point is, on many of those occasions his poor play is what initially led to the Jets being in trouble!

Manning won DESPITE a poor D, Brady wins despite a young D and a suspect running game. The Jets win because of strong D, solid Special Teams, and playmakers elsewhere on offence.
Yea I suppose your argument about his poor play causing them to be down in fair enough. I don't think it happens every time, but sometimes that is the case. For example the Jets D couldn't stop anything in the first half versus the Steelers so you couldn't blame Sanchez for that. But even though that might be the case sometimes, he still comes up good when it matters, and I'd rather have that quality in someone rather than someone who will not make the play on the last snap of the game.

I agree that much of the Jets' success has been down to D/ST and a strong running game, but it is unfair to compare Sanchez to Brady or Manning. But most teams, with the exception of the aforementioned Brady and Manning have the same. Ben, Flacco, Ryan, Cutler, Cassell all have good D and running games. He has some things to work out like his accuracy from inside the pocket and his decision making but he is only in his second year and I really like the qualities he brings to the table. If Jets had a better OC I think he would really blossom.

I know its unfair to compare him with those players, but it made it easy to illustrate my point. I just dont think his arm is good enough. Particularly when he could potentially have to spend the rest of his career in the windy, cold North East. I do like his guts, and he's a tough player, but at the end of the day its a QB league and you need an elite one to win. As I said the Jets could potentially be losing some pieces in the off season, so Sanchez now MUST make that transition. Unfortunately for the Jets it looks like Sam Bradford and Josh Freeman are the lads more likely to do it.
Yea Freeman and Bradford really look like they have great potential. To be honest, Sanchez's arm strength is that last thing I worry about, its average, but I think he has shown he has enough zip to be able to play at the NFL level. He has shown steady improvement this year in his decision making, his ability to take care of the ball, his ability to feel pressure, and his reading of the defence. If he keeps improving the way he is going I think he will make a very good QB.
I agree that there will come a stage that he will have to step up to take the Jets to another level though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 26, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
Sanchez will, in the next few years become one of the best seven or eight qb's in the league, right now he is about 20th.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on January 27, 2011, 03:09:35 PM
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It has been a great year for the Jets. Devastating loss tonight but a great year.

Great is pushing it. They didn't turn up in the AFC championship game until the game was just about out of reach. They'll have plenty of regrets about their first half performances, especially the defense. On the plus side though, Sanchez has shown a huge amount of progress, especially in the past couple of playoff games. Still plenty to do, but he's coming along.

On the other game, the behaviour of some players, fans and pundits with regard to Jay Cutler has been absolutely appalling. Utter scumbags!

As a Jets fan, it was a great year for the Jets. Made great strides, beating Colts and Patriots when not given even half a chance. Only team in the final 4 last year to make it back. Remember, second year coach, second year QB. Sanchez being a clutch QB, Rex backing up his words. Showing great heart in the second half vs Ptt. Couldn't ask for any more from a team

Could ask for a super bowl? Yeah they made it to the final 4 two years in a row but that was it, it was all or nothing and they got nothing. So imo not really a good year when the aim was to win it all.

Eh, most teams aim to win it all so that is not really a valid point.
How can you say it wasn't a good year when they were one game away from the SB? Maybe some people are too used to following the bandwagon teams like Patriots not used to the reality of the NFL.

All teams aim to make progress and do better than they did the year before - so being one game away from the Superbowl when you were in exactly the same position the year before is hardly a great year


That is like saying if a team loses the SB one year and they don't win it the next year, it is not a great year. But if you want to go down the progress argument - last year the Jets won their last two games by the Bengals and the Colts resting their starters, and still had a record of 9-7 I think and had to rely on the Texans losing their final game to clinch their wildcard berth. This year they went through the regular season getting 12 wins (haven't checked the exact number). They beat the team that defeated them in the AFC championship game last year, the defeated most people's pick to win the SB, the Patriots. To me, that is progress.

The regular season is a means to an end – getting to the playoffs. If you get to the playoffs the year before and don't do any better the next year then it's not progress.

And yes, if a team gets to the Super Bowl one year, you'd like to think going one better is their aim for the following year. If not, then what's the point? Do you think the Buffalo Bills considered every season from 91-92 to 93-94 "great"?
I think you are being too objective in your view here. Its easy to say that about the Bills when they were a very good team for those years. Last year the Jets were frankly lucky to get into the POs. They were branded overachievers and lucky to make the playoffs, and quite honestly, with how the Colts and the Bengals resting their starters,  they were. This year there was no luck involved, they had maybe the fourth or so best regular season record. You say the regular season does matter. Using your argument, take the Seahawks - they make the playoffs this year with a losing record and manage to catch the Saints on the hop, if next year they go 12-4 and win their first playoff game but not their second, you are saying that that is not a great year whereas in reality they have improved enormously and played much better than the previous year.
Maybe being a jets fan my judgement is clouded but as a Jets fan, but I would have thought that the objective view was that it was a great year, I suppose I can't really make that call. What I can say is that as a fan, it definitely was a great year.

I can't argue with that but taking your Seahawks example they are still in the same poor division so winning it again has to be their goal for this year and, yes, winning more playoff games than they did this year has to be the goal as well.
There are two seasons in the NFL, one to get you to the playoff and then the playoffs themselves. Once you do well in the first, the second is forgotten about. The Packers won a game less in the regular season this year than they did last year. I doubt they're worried
Take for example the year Meath got to the semi final vs Kerry two years ago and were defeated easily. That year they got lucky fixtures against the likes of Limerick and Mayo to get that far. Now say the year after they got to the semi final but beat teams like Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone on the way, i.e. they got there is a much more convinving fashion than the previous year, and then only narrowly lost to, say, Cork in the semi final. I would still consider that a great year because of the teams they beat and the manner in which they got to that stage.

The systems are totally different and can't be compared. The regular season is there to get to the playoffs. The Championship, even with the backdoor, is one big playoff from the start.
I doubt before the season started the Jets would have been happy with not getting any further than they did last year
I think the Jets would be very happy with how they played both during the regular season and how they defeated both the Colts and the Patriots, two of the top teams of the last decade, in the playoffs, and just coming up short against the other top team of the last decade. Anyway I think we might have to call it quits on this one CT, if you want to continue I will, but I don't think either of us are going to concede any ground! Have enjoyed the debate all the same - we need more such debates on this thread.

No! To the death!  :D
I'm a Dolphins fan anyway, so any season anybody's had since 1972 has been an abject failure as far as I'm concerned...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 27, 2011, 03:17:44 PM
In case you didn't look in the GAA section.

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http://irishecho.com/?p=42194 (http://irishecho.com/?p=42194)

Steelers may play NFL game at Croker News

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By Susan Falvella Garraty


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Ambassador Dan Rooney, Art Rooney II, Sportscaster Jim Nantz and former Pittsburgh Steelers star Franco Harris.


The Super Bowl-bound Pittsburgh Steelers might also be Ireland bound for a regular 2011-2012 regular season game. That's the word from the huddle after the team's championship win over the New York Jets last weekend.

The clincher for a Steelers appearance would likely be Dan Rooney, whose family own the franchise and who is himself the current U.S. Ambassador in Dublin.

And the Echo has learned that some groundwork has already been laid for a regular season game at the GAA headquarters which has a seating capacity in excess of 80,000.

A spokeswoman for Ireland's  Minister for Tourism, Culture and Sport, Mary Hanafin, told the Echo Tuesday that discussions have already been held at the official level on the potential of a NFL regular season game being played in Ireland in the fall.

"Minister Mary Hanafin would very much welcome such a move to hold a future NFL game in Ireland, which has such a proud sporting tradition. There would be a great welcome for visiting fans traveling with the teams to Ireland as well as huge interest locally,  and a knock on boost for Ireland from a tourism perspective," the spokeswoman said.

At the end of Sunday's game against the Jets, Ambassador Rooney held aloft the Lamar Hunt trophy Rooney, who left the day to day running of the team to his son Art Rooney II in 2003, has overseen the development of a team that is now tied with the Dallas Cowboys for most Super Bowl appearances.

Of course the team has seen its share of notoriety, particularly from its quarterback, "Big" Ben Roethlisberger, who has had his own personal fumbles that include a serious motorcycle accident, and suspension this season for his behavior in a bar with a young woman.

Perhaps hearing a whisper on the Three Rivers wind, Roethlisberger  recently said he would like to bring a regular NFL game to the Emerald Isle

For the last four years, the NFL has played a regular season game in London. Last October, it was the San Francisco against the Denver Broncos in Wembley Stadium. Roethlisberger was asked by the local Beaver County Times newspaper if he'd like to see the Steelers play in London.

In his response he groused a bit about the length of the flight, but came up with a way to go overseas and shorten the time in the air just a bit.

"I think it would be fun to go play in Ireland where Ambassador Rooney is. That would be kind of fun," he said.

Big Ben's suggestion has clearly been taken literally and to heart in Dublin where big college football games have been played before enthusiastic crowds in recent years.

Perhaps the Ireland game could be a replay against the Jets, a team that thinks green all year round.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 01, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
If NFL teams had "soccer" jerseys

http://imgur.com/a/I7b32/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 01, 2011, 06:47:30 PM
Fancy the steelers by a wide margin, dont know why but I do, I like that Viking jersey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 01, 2011, 08:39:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 01, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
If NFL teams had "soccer" jerseys

http://imgur.com/a/I7b32/

http://www.iafs.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5635

Supposed "leaked" NIKE kits for the 2010 season.

These are fake though. still cool though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 01, 2011, 08:46:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 01, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
If NFL teams had "soccer" jerseys

http://imgur.com/a/I7b32/
Some of those are class,I'd wear a few of them myself
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 01, 2011, 10:15:28 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 01, 2011, 06:47:30 PM
Fancy the steelers by a wide margin, dont know why but I do, I like that Viking jersey.

Will not happen, the Packers d is tremendous, they have the best cornerbacks in the league and their safeties are no dazers either, look for big Ben to throw three picks and get sacked three times, twice by the claymaker.

I think the packers will win this game, the steelers are very good but i think the pack are that bit better and they do have the better qb, the only concern i would have is if rodgers is way off his game, throwing the ball low has been an issue every time he has had a concussion and I think he might have gotten another one against the bears, his usual dead on balls delivery went awol and he was throwing the ball at the shoelaces.

Prediction, The Packers win by three, field goal kicker to win it with 5 seconds left from 43 yards. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on February 02, 2011, 08:28:29 AM
Can't you be any more precise about that winning field goal Stew? Like which hash mark will it be taken from :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on February 02, 2011, 02:54:56 PM
not a fan of either team but will throw my hat in with the Packers. Never liked the Steelers as a team but Mike Wallace, Rashard did my team wonders in Fantasy this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 02, 2011, 06:04:24 PM
I have always had a soft spot for the Packers - must be going back to the Favre days, sorry Stew. Aaron Rodgers has really played some great stuff - and the packers defence is fantastic. That said, the Steelers, and in particular Big Ben - never know when they are beaten in the big games. They are like Rocky. Just keep on going.

Cant pick myself currently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 02, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
The packers defense has the potential to be good, but also gave up51 points to the Cardinals in last years playoffs. I have a feeling that turnovers will decide this game. Both teams create turnovers. Both offenses will have to keeo it tight and not give away cheap turnovers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2011, 07:18:42 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 02, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
The packers defense has the potential to be good, but also gave up51 points to the Cardinals in last years playoffs. I have a feeling that turnovers will decide this game. Both teams create turnovers. Both offenses will have to keeo it tight and not give away cheap turnovers.

Yeah Pat, but the Cardinals with Kurt Warner, Larry Fitz and Anquin Boldin, not the 5-11 2010 Cardinals :) There was also a few injuries on the Packers side that day, and the winning TD was a fumble return for TD.

I hope the pack win, because the Steeler fans in the media would wear you out, but both are classy clubs. I give the edge to the Pack because I like Rogers, I like the fact that the fans own them, and I like the green white and gold :D

Plus Clay Mathews is an animal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 06, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
What time will the actual kick off be tonight(rather than TV coverage)  and what time would it be finishing up?
Trying to decide is it worth staying up to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: STREET FIGHTER on February 06, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
GO PACKERS GO!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2011, 06:36:52 PM
I think around 6.30 here.
Tomorrow booked off so it will be of to the bar soon for me.
Packers win would be nice!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2011, 06:49:45 PM
Packers wear green and gold so should i support them or with the Rooneys in Pittsburgh should I support them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: clubland on February 06, 2011, 07:30:29 PM
Packers to win by +10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on February 06, 2011, 07:32:09 PM
Lets go Packers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2011, 08:43:22 PM
Hope the Pack win but have a feeling the Steelers will win by 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 06, 2011, 09:46:01 PM
Will find it hard to cheer for a team that wears green and gold but hope the Packers do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 06, 2011, 10:12:28 PM
What US Network feeds are Sky and the BBC using? Would prefer to watch whoever is showing the NBC feed for Cris Collinsworth's commentary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on February 06, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 06, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
What time will the actual kick off be tonight(rather than TV coverage)  and what time would it be finishing up?
Trying to decide is it worth staying up to watch.

Its the Superbowl of course its worth staying up for.  :)

I always liked the Steelers and would love to see them win a seventh Superbowl but I wouldn't begrudge the Packers winning their first in 14 years.  That said I fancy the Packers to win by about 10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on February 06, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 06, 2011, 06:29:02 PM
What time will the actual kick off be tonight(rather than TV coverage)  and what time would it be finishing up?
Trying to decide is it worth staying up to watch.

Its the Superbowl of course its worth staying up for.  :)

I always liked the Steelers and would love to see them win a seventh Superbowl but I wouldn't begrudge the Packers winning their first in 14 years.  That said I fancy the Packers to win by about 10.

It'll be fascinating to see a couple of things in this game. I reckon Green Bay might decide 'feck the run' very quickly and go with 4 and 5 wides. Let Rogers win the game for them. When the Steelers have the ball, look for Roethlisberger to be under pressure with Pouncey out, but also look for the TEs especially Miller to have good games. The Packers are very good on defense, but the TEs seem to cause them issues. If Roethlisberger is getting a lot of blitzes, you might see a lot of hot reads to slot receivers and TEs. Another thing is screens to Mendenhall, who can catch the ball.

It should be a good game though, and I really don't know what to go for. I'll say if the over/under is 45, and it's over, then the Packers win. Under, and I think the Steelers win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 06, 2011, 10:29:25 PM
Is it my imagination or is the sky commentator Nick so biased towards the Steeleres it's a joke????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:32:06 PM
Can't watch him. He's a dick. He is a Steelers fan, and he can't be objective. Mind you I find that to be true of a lot of Steelers fans in the media, Stateside or over this side of the Atlantic. It's a great organisation, and they seem to think that has something to do with them as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:08:42 PM
Thought Rod Woodson was outstanding for the Beeb a few years back. Hopefully he's gone on to bigger things
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:13:30 PM
Speaking of going on to better things, I think the cowboy from The Big Lebowski has gone backwards
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:13:41 PM
Virgil Earp doing the player introductions :D Hang on, Tombstone is in Arizona :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2011, 11:14:00 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:08:42 PM
Thought Rod Woodson was outstanding for the Beeb a few years back. Hopefully he's gone on to bigger things

He has actually got a pretty good gig on NFL network for the last few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:17:04 PM
Oh God. Christina Aguilera doing the na-ah-ah-AHHHH-tional ah-ah-AAAAAAHHHHH-[. . .]nthem. My irony gland is going to rupture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:21:01 PM
Tomlin looks like he's going to hit someone :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
I'll say if the over/under is 45, and it's over, then the Packers win. Under, and I think the Steelers win.

English, please! That's what I hate about American sports. Just when I think I understand them - and I do try, I really invest a lot of time in baseball - I read something like this and go . . . wha'?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 06, 2011, 11:21:59 PM
Jaysus this faux patriotism does my head in and then we get GWB smirking -just play the bleedin game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:23:48 PM
(http://www.airsickness-bag.com/media/img/air-sickness-bag.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 06, 2011, 11:24:13 PM
Christina has a fine pair of lungs on her
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on February 06, 2011, 11:25:21 PM
Thankfully, she didnt do anything dirrrrty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
I'll say if the over/under is 45, and it's over, then the Packers win. Under, and I think the Steelers win.

English, please! That's what I hate about American sports. Just when I think I understand them - and I do try, I really invest a lot of time in baseball - I read something like this and go . . . wha'?

More than 45 pts in the game = "over", less than 45 pts = "under"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
Quote from: ross4life on February 06, 2011, 11:24:13 PM
Christina has a fine pair of lungs on her

She's a pain in the hole, and coincidentally it sounds like she has a pain in the hole.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 06, 2011, 11:26:22 PM
QuoteChristina has a fine pair of lungs on her
A career from screeching - unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 06, 2011, 11:26:31 PM
Bit shite that no one in the stadium sings along with the anthem.
Christina has turned into a dog btw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 06, 2011, 11:28:18 PM
Ha ha, loved the Giant French Flags behind Christina, are the Yank finally acknowledging that France defeated Britain for them in the British 13 Colonies War of Tax Doging.

O.K. time to turn this shite over and watch some paint dry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on February 06, 2011, 11:29:24 PM
Quote from: Orior on February 06, 2011, 11:25:21 PM
Thankfully, she didnt do anything dirrrrty.

Thats her worst song yet. Is it in the charts yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 06, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
I'll say if the over/under is 45, and it's over, then the Packers win. Under, and I think the Steelers win.

English, please! That's what I hate about American sports. Just when I think I understand them - and I do try, I really invest a lot of time in baseball - I read something like this and go . . . wha'?

More than 45 pts in the game = "over", less than 45 pts = "under"
Sorry deiseach. Basically what Minder said. Las Vegas sets odds for the total points scored in the game, and it's called the 'Over/Under'. The higher the number the more points Vegas thinks will be scored. You, as a bettor, can gamble on more (Over) or less (Under) the points total being scored.

The official line for this game is is 46 points. I think that if the total points scored is less than 46, the Steelers have a great chance at winning it, if it's more than 46, I think the Pack will win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 06, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
I'll say if the over/under is 45, and it's over, then the Packers win. Under, and I think the Steelers win.

English, please! That's what I hate about American sports. Just when I think I understand them - and I do try, I really invest a lot of time in baseball - I read something like this and go . . . wha'?

More than 45 pts in the game = "over", less than 45 pts = "under"
Sorry deiseach. Basically what Minder said. Las Vegas sets odds for the total points scored in the game, and it's called the 'Over/Under'. The higher the number the more points Vegas thinks will be scored. You, as a bettor, can gamble on more (Over) or less (Under) the points total being scored.

The official line for this game is is 46 points. I think that if the total points scored is less than 46, the Steelers have a great chance at winning it, if it's more than 46, I think the Pack will win.

Okay. So if it's an open game, you think Green Bay will win. Gotcha.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 06, 2011, 11:32:22 PM
Could have been worse.. could have got Britney Spears to sing it, BTW did anyone spot the Irish man in the Michael Douglas piece?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:33:36 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 06, 2011, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
I'll say if the over/under is 45, and it's over, then the Packers win. Under, and I think the Steelers win.

English, please! That's what I hate about American sports. Just when I think I understand them - and I do try, I really invest a lot of time in baseball - I read something like this and go . . . wha'?

More than 45 pts in the game = "over", less than 45 pts = "under"
Sorry deiseach. Basically what Minder said. Las Vegas sets odds for the total points scored in the game, and it's called the 'Over/Under'. The higher the number the more points Vegas thinks will be scored. You, as a bettor, can gamble on more (Over) or less (Under) the points total being scored.

The official line for this game is is 46 points. I think that if the total points scored is less than 46, the Steelers have a great chance at winning it, if it's more than 46, I think the Pack will win.

Okay. So if it's an open game, you think Green Bay will win. Gotcha.

In a nutshell, yes :D I lapsed into ESPN-Speak
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on February 06, 2011, 11:34:13 PM
I'll never complain about the crap singing of our National anthem again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:33:36 PM
In a nutshell, yes :D I lapsed into ESPN-Speak

Ach, no bother. I probably would complain if you sanitised / sanitized it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:37:01 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 06, 2011, 11:34:13 PM
I'll never complain about the crap singing of our National anthem again.

I presume the average American moans about how cheesy these performances are.

Please someone tell me the average American moans about how cheesy these performances are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
Packers dodged a bullet there. Good counter rucking by Green Bay :)

Deiseach, most Americans don't really complain about how cheesey they are, but they don't take them too seriously either. It's just part of the pageantry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:43:08 PM
If they saw Le Marseillaise in the Stade de France, they'd change the pageant. Don't they let the crowd sing it at baseball games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:45:19 PM
Not really. There's usually some sort of 'performer'. You might be mixing it up with the 7th inning stretch in Baseball which used to be 'Take me out to the ballgame', but since 9/11 they've even added America the Beautiful to that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 06, 2011, 11:47:39 PM
Steelers running game looking ominous
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
Last stupid question. I promise. Why are the guys under the punts leaving the ball bounce? It looks like a bit close to the onrushing attackers for comfort, or am I reading how 'close' that is incorrectly?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:55:50 PM
On  a punt the kicking team can only recover if it hits off a receiving team player first. So basically if the receiver doesn't think he has a clear chance at catching it/returning it, he will let it go. He will then hope it goes into the end zone, like that last one, as that means you start back out on the 20.

The kicking team will chase it because if they manage to catch it before it goes into the endzone, the receiving team will start from wherever they catch it.

By the way, no bother with the 'stupid' questions. That's the whole purpose of a thread like this on a night like this :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 06, 2011, 11:57:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:55:50 PM
On  a punt the kicking team can only recover if it hits off a receiving team player first. So basically if the receiver doesn't think he has a clear chance at catching it/returning it, he will let it go. He will then hope it goes into the end zone, like that last one, as that means you start back out on the 20.

The kicking team will chase it because if they manage to catch it before it goes into the endzone, the receiving team will start from wherever they catch it.

I see. That's rather obscure, I don't feel stupid for not knowing that without being told. Cheers again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:59:36 PM
Punting is all about field position y'see. The punting team will want to ensure the receiving team starts as far back as possible. The receiving team will obviously want to return it as far as they can.

The cardinal sin in receiving a punt is to 'muff' the punt, basically fumble it, as then it becomes a live ball, and the kicking team can recover. That almost happened with the first punt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 07, 2011, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: ross4life on February 06, 2011, 11:32:22 PM
Could have been worse.. could have got Britney Spears to sing it, BTW did anyone spot the Irish man in the Michael Douglas piece?

Yep, the bould Mr Hewson.

Is it me or did Christina screw up the words of the national anthem?

Anyhow - can't stick the Pack but think thy're going to be too good tonight. Oh - and there it starts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:01:12 AM
Do they really call it muffing the punt? ;D

Great touchdown, go Green Bay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:03:00 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 07, 2011, 12:00:53 AM
Quote from: ross4life on February 06, 2011, 11:32:22 PM
Could have been worse.. could have got Britney Spears to sing it, BTW did anyone spot the Irish man in the Michael Douglas piece?

Yep, the bould Mr Hewson.

Is it me or did Christina screw up the words of the national anthem?
Anyhow - can't stick the Pack but think thy're going to be too good tonight. Oh - and there it starts.


Thank you. I did too, but I was afraid to say it in case I was just confused by the 'pace' of it.

Deiseach, yes, yes they do. The punt was muffed. :D

re. the TD, that's going to be there all night with Nelson, Driver and Jennings. If the Packers can pick up the Steelers' blitz, then Rogers will have a chance to hit the outside lads.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
It seems to be compulsory for pundits in American football to nod all the time when their colleague in pundity is talking. Makes them look like the Churchill dog.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:59:36 PM
Punting is all about field position y'see. The punting team will want to ensure the receiving team starts as far back as possible. The receiving team will obviously want to return it as far as they can.

The cardinal sin in receiving a punt is to 'muff' the punt, basically fumble it, as then it becomes a live ball, and the kicking team can recover. That almost happened with the first punt.

So if it becomes a live ball can the kicking team run for a touchdown or does it become a 1st down from where they picked it up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:04:34 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
It seems to be compulsory for pundits in American football to nod all the time when their colleague in pundity is talking. Makes them look like the Churchill dog.

Oh Yes.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:05:54 AM
Troy Aikman has been 'talking to the BBC'. Talking to Michael Johnson, more like
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:06:50 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:04:34 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:03:42 AM
It seems to be compulsory for pundits in American football to nod all the time when their colleague in pundity is talking. Makes them look like the Churchill dog.

Oh Yes.

I have to stop feeding you lines
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:07:20 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2011, 11:59:36 PM
Punting is all about field position y'see. The punting team will want to ensure the receiving team starts as far back as possible. The receiving team will obviously want to return it as far as they can.

The cardinal sin in receiving a punt is to 'muff' the punt, basically fumble it, as then it becomes a live ball, and the kicking team can recover. That almost happened with the first punt.

So if it becomes a live ball can the kicking team run for a touchdown or does it become a 1st down from where they picked it up

They can return it for a touchdown as long as they don't get tackled to the ground. Basically as soon as the punt is fumbled, and recovered, it becomes like any other play, i.e. the ball can be advanced until you are tackled or 'downed by contact'. (Touched when on the ground).

It rarely happens because usually in punt situations, a fumble leads to a big ruck like the one that happened there, so the lad that recovers it is normallly immediately 'downed' because he is being touched on the ground by the other bucks trying to scramble for the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:07:46 AM
Kamikaze!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:09:05 AM
Big play. It's looking like a high scoring game. It's not over yet though, the steelers are experienced.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Why were Pittsburgh so open after the interception? Was that a function of their setup for the throw from the QB?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
By the way, just in case it becomes an issue later on and confuses the shite out of ye.....

A 'kick off', as opposed to a punt, is different in that it becomes a live ball immediately and the kicking team is free to recover without the receiving team touching it. It's like a restart kick off in Rugby. The only stipulation is that , just like in rugby, the ball has to go 10 yards before it becomes live. (You can't just tap the ball and fall on it).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:11:21 AM
Why were Pittsburgh so open after the interception? Was that a function of their setup for the throw from the QB?

Yeah, the offense will all be running pre-determined routes, expecting the ball to go to one of three (normally) locations, depending on what the QB sees. If the ball doesn't go there for whatever reason, in this case Roethlisberger getting hit, then the offense will be all running the wrong way and will be stretched trying to recover, especially that close to their own goal. The defender is coming on to the ball and heading towards the endzone, the receivers are having to slam on the breaks and try and get back. A bit like when Meireles passed to Torres in the first half today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
By the way, just in case it becomes an issue later on and confuses the shite out of ye.....

A 'kick off', as opposed to a punt, is different in that it becomes a live ball immediately and the kicking team is free to recover without the receiving team touching it. It's like a restart kick off in Rugby. The only stipulation is that , just like in rugby, the ball has to go 10 yards before it becomes live. (You can't just tap the ball and fall on it).

That explains those dinky little kicks they try when they're seven points down with 30 seconds to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
By the way, just in case it becomes an issue later on and confuses the shite out of ye.....

A 'kick off', as opposed to a punt, is different in that it becomes a live ball immediately and the kicking team is free to recover without the receiving team touching it. It's like a restart kick off in Rugby. The only stipulation is that , just like in rugby, the ball has to go 10 yards before it becomes live. (You can't just tap the ball and fall on it).

That explains those dinky little kicks they try when they're seven points down with 30 seconds to go.

Yep, that's called an 'onside' kick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:14:41 AM
A bit like when Meireles passed to Torres in the first half today.

That's a bad thing, right? Going to be a while to get used to that *sob*
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
By the way, just in case it becomes an issue later on and confuses the shite out of ye.....

A 'kick off', as opposed to a punt, is different in that it becomes a live ball immediately and the kicking team is free to recover without the receiving team touching it. It's like a restart kick off in Rugby. The only stipulation is that , just like in rugby, the ball has to go 10 yards before it becomes live. (You can't just tap the ball and fall on it).

That explains those dinky little kicks they try when they're seven points down with 30 seconds to go.

Yep, that's called an 'onside' kick.

New Orleans Saints ambush play last year.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:18:58 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:14:41 AM
A bit like when Meireles passed to Torres in the first half today.

That's a bad thing, right? Going to be a while to get used to that *sob*

It was a bad thing today, and of course I meant Rodriguez, not Meireles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:20:06 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
By the way, just in case it becomes an issue later on and confuses the shite out of ye.....

A 'kick off', as opposed to a punt, is different in that it becomes a live ball immediately and the kicking team is free to recover without the receiving team touching it. It's like a restart kick off in Rugby. The only stipulation is that , just like in rugby, the ball has to go 10 yards before it becomes live. (You can't just tap the ball and fall on it).

That explains those dinky little kicks they try when they're seven points down with 30 seconds to go.

Yep, that's called an 'onside' kick.

New Orleans Saints ambush play last year.......

Correct, they did it after half time and caught the Colts by surprise. It was the Colts wasn't it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:20:31 AM
That was a quick quarter! I doubt I'll last through the half-time show though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 12:21:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:20:06 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:12:23 AM
By the way, just in case it becomes an issue later on and confuses the shite out of ye.....

A 'kick off', as opposed to a punt, is different in that it becomes a live ball immediately and the kicking team is free to recover without the receiving team touching it. It's like a restart kick off in Rugby. The only stipulation is that , just like in rugby, the ball has to go 10 yards before it becomes live. (You can't just tap the ball and fall on it).

That explains those dinky little kicks they try when they're seven points down with 30 seconds to go.

Yep, that's called an 'onside' kick.

New Orleans Saints ambush play last year.......

Correct, they did it after half time and caught the Colts by surprise. It was the Colts wasn't it?

I dunno I don't follow this that much
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 07, 2011, 12:33:09 AM
"If a cow can't eat it i don't want to play on it"  Dick Allen quote
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 07, 2011, 12:39:09 AM
Time for the leaba - hope i'm wrong but think the Steelers will win it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:40:01 AM
Pittsburgh seem to be getting their act together. Grinding it out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:41:28 AM
As I said, they are experienced. They will need to assert the running game though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:45:18 AM
Great run there. Gotta love someone who tries to eke out the extra inches
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 12:46:17 AM
Aaron Rodgers, do ye think hes feeling any pressure out there?  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:46:45 AM
Rogers too good. If the Steelers don't get to him he'll kill them. That pass was between 3 Steelers in the secondary.  Steelers need to score now because the Pack get it back after half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gaagaa on February 07, 2011, 12:47:14 AM
go green bay  ;D

cant wait for slash to join fergie on stage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:48:57 AM
No point in thanking Jesus. I've tried to call upon His power for Waterford and Liverpool, it don't work
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:50:25 AM
Whatever about Liverpool, you need to be sending your requests downwards for Waterford. Satan's the Deise fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on February 07, 2011, 12:53:00 AM
And the 49ers passed on Rodgers  :'(. How things could have been different  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:53:49 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:50:25 AM
Whatever about Liverpool, you need to be sending your requests downwards for Waterford. Satan's the Deise fan.

The Devil has all the best tunes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:54:12 AM
AJ Hawk is having a big game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 12:55:01 AM
Watch for the Tight End here for the Steelers. Inside the Red Zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 07, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Muffs. Tight Ends. Let's play ball! (sorry, wrong sport)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:01:02 AM
Packers better hope those secondary backs and safeties are not out of the game. All bets are off then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 07, 2011, 01:01:26 AM
How long does half time last??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:03:17 AM
Usually 15 minutes. Superbowl is longer, about half an hour I think. The Black Eyed Peas are playing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:04:16 AM
So what makes the winners "World Champions"if they win this...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:04:16 AM
So what makes the winners "World Champions"if they win this...

Well who else is going to beat them? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:06:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:04:16 AM
So what makes the winners "World Champions"if they win this...

Well who else is going to beat them? :D

So Cork and Tipp are World Champions..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:08:17 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:06:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:05:21 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:04:16 AM
So what makes the winners "World Champions"if they win this...

Well who else is going to beat them? :D

So Cork and Tipp are World Champions..

I suppose so, why not? :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 01:09:59 AM
I hate the f**king Black eyed peas  >:(

Havent enjoyed the half time show since Tom Petty and the heartbreakers a few years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:10:01 AM
Cool so Laois were World Champions in 1915.. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:10:28 AM
What's the story with these f**king eejits? They look like the legion of doom from the WWF.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 01:12:14 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:10:01 AM
Cool so Laois were World Champions in 1915.. :)

Cavan are a 5 time world champion so,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 01:13:38 AM
Oh Christ what is she doing to Sweet Child of Mine  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 07, 2011, 01:14:22 AM
Guns n Roses... slash look the same but Axl looks like a tranny
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:36:00 AM
Feck you can't drop that. That was a touchdown if he catches it in stride.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 07, 2011, 01:37:59 AM
Woodson out. Driver to return.

Sanders out for Steelers. Game still very much alive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 01:43:50 AM
Here comes the running game. Pack need a score now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 07, 2011, 02:43:05 AM
Perfect setup for the end of the game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 02:45:05 AM
Replay? Penalty Shootout? Golden errr Touchdown?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trileacman on February 07, 2011, 02:47:43 AM
wtf was that? Score a touchdown then go for a second mini td?? how come packers didnt do that with there's?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:49:12 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 07, 2011, 02:47:43 AM
wtf was that? Score a touchdown then go for a second mini td?? how come packers didnt do that with there's?

Its riskier
a point after kick=1 point

put it in end zone, by either run or pass= 2 points

The latter is much harder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 07, 2011, 02:49:29 AM
Christ i hope it doesn't go to overtime as i need some sleep
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 02:55:17 AM
Rogers to run it in?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 02:57:16 AM
Now Roethlisberger has a drive to win it. Can he do it? Clay Matthews will be looking for blood.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:57:23 AM
wait until you see,
a big steelers return coming up!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 02:58:02 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:49:12 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 07, 2011, 02:47:43 AM
wtf was that? Score a touchdown then go for a second mini td?? how come packers didnt do that with there's?

Its riskier
a point after kick=1 point

put it in end zone, by either run or pass= 2 points

The latter is much harder.

It could turn out that that extra point wins it for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 02:59:54 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:57:23 AM
wait until you see,
a big steelers return coming up!!!

They were afraid if that. Hence the knuckleball to the up back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 03:01:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 02:59:54 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:57:23 AM
wait until you see,
a big steelers return coming up!!!

They were afraid if that. Hence the knuckleball to the up back

Big penalty!!!!!
with 1 time out,Steelers needed every yard.
If Big Ben pulls this one out,he will go down as one of the best ever!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 03:01:57 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 03:01:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 02:59:54 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:57:23 AM
wait until you see,
a big steelers return coming up!!!

They were afraid if that. Hence the knuckleball to the up back

Big penalty!!!!!
with 1 time out,Steelers needed every yard.
If Big Ben pulls this one out,he will go down as one of the best ever!!!

INT?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 03:03:51 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 03:01:57 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 03:01:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 02:59:54 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 02:57:23 AM
wait until you see,
a big steelers return coming up!!!

They were afraid if that. Hence the knuckleball to the up back

Big penalty!!!!!
with 1 time out,Steelers needed every yard.
If Big Ben pulls this one out,he will go down as one of the best ever!!!

INT?

yeh you can feel one coming.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 03:05:32 AM
Ballgame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 03:07:50 AM
Delighted for Green Bay and Rodgers in particular,top notch quarterback.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2011, 03:09:35 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on February 07, 2011, 03:07:50 AM
Delighted for Green Bay and Rodgers in particular,top notch quarterback.

Yep. Brett who?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:16:35 AM
3 turnovers giving up 21 points -shocking- very poor steelers performance. Green Bay were adequate, poor game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Real Laoislad on February 07, 2011, 03:20:48 AM
Trophy presentation is a bit shite..
Bedtime I think..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on February 07, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:16:35 AM
3 turnovers giving up 21 points -shocking- very poor steelers performance. Green Bay were adequate, poor game

Other than the score thats the telling stat.  Great win for Green Bay.  Well deserved.  Feel sorry for The Steelers, great franchise.

Roll on next season, well...if there is a next season..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 07, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
Real nail biter, was out last night for the first half, three pints and then back to the homestead, they were partying in the streets all night long with fireworks going off all over the place and they even cancelled school at some of the high schools around here, feckin ridiculous if you ask me.

That said, well done the Pack, it should have been a blowout what with the dropped passes, Rodgers is the real deal, second best in the league behind brady and maybe even better here as time rolls on.

Titletown USA, Green Bay, well done the Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: stew on February 07, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
Rodgers is the real deal, second best in the league behind brady

emmmm, no, not really, actually no, not at all. Having said that he did have a very solid game yesterday, but he's just that, solid.

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Cassel, Flacco, Romo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 07, 2011, 03:56:55 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: stew on February 07, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
Rodgers is the real deal, second best in the league behind brady

emmmm, no, not really, actually no, not at all. Having said that he did have a very solid game yesterday, but he's just that, solid.

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Cassel, Flacco, Romo
You are either taking the piss or are Brett Favre. Rodgers had 9 tds and 2 ints, 68% pass completion, in the playoffs ( no home games) and then producing like that in the Super Bowl. He is several levels above players like Romo, Flacco ( who has been poor in the playoffs) and even Matt Ryan.

Rodgers has a nearly 3/1 TD to INT ratio in his career, slightly better than solid.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 07, 2011, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: stew on February 07, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
Rodgers is the real deal, second best in the league behind brady

emmmm, no, not really, actually no, not at all. Having said that he did have a very solid game yesterday, but he's just that, solid.

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Cassel, Flacco, Romo

I like the comment below about you being Brett Favre. The highlighted part of your sentence here is nonsense! I'd have Big Ben in before Cassel, Flacco, and Romo - and maybe even Ryan (currently) - and I'd sure as hell put Rodgers before Big Ben.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 07, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 07, 2011, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: stew on February 07, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
Rodgers is the real deal, second best in the league behind brady

emmmm, no, not really, actually no, not at all. Having said that he did have a very solid game yesterday, but he's just that, solid.

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Cassel, Flacco, Romo

I like the comment below about you being Brett Favre. The highlighted part of your sentence here is nonsense! I'd have Big Ben in before Cassel, Flacco, and Romo - and maybe even Ryan (currently) - and I'd sure as hell put Rodgers before Big Ben.

Rodgers does it all and he is a winner, he is a champion and for you to mention Romo and Cassel in the same breath tells me you are clueless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on February 10, 2011, 08:28:34 PM
Quote from: stew on February 07, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 07, 2011, 04:22:56 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 07, 2011, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: stew on February 07, 2011, 03:35:36 PM
Rodgers is the real deal, second best in the league behind brady

emmmm, no, not really, actually no, not at all. Having said that he did have a very solid game yesterday, but he's just that, solid.

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Ryan, Cassel, Flacco, Romo

I like the comment below about you being Brett Favre. The highlighted part of your sentence here is nonsense! I'd have Big Ben in before Cassel, Flacco, and Romo - and maybe even Ryan (currently) - and I'd sure as hell put Rodgers before Big Ben.

Rodgers does it all and he is a winner, he is a champion and for you to mention Romo and Cassel in the same breath tells me you are clueless.
Easy on Stew, he is entitled to an opinion like the rest of us, without the mud slinging.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 11, 2011, 02:32:30 PM
This lad is fairly accurate. I don't know if it's doctored or not but it's impressive...

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPET74QB43c)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 12, 2011, 04:20:52 AM
 

Dear NFL Fan,

When I wrote to you last on behalf of the NFL, we promised you that we would work tirelessly to find a collectively bargained solution to our differences with the players' union. Subsequent to that letter to you, we agreed that the fastest way to a fair agreement was for everyone to work together through a mediation process. For the last three weeks I have personally attended every session of mediation, which is a process our clubs sincerely believe in.

Unfortunately, I have to tell you that earlier today the players' union walked away from mediation and collective bargaining and has initiated litigation against the clubs. In an effort to get a fair agreement now, our clubs offered a deal today that was, among other things, designed to have no adverse financial impact on veteran players in the early years, and would have met the players' financial demands in the latter years of the agreement.

The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference; guarantee a reallocation of savings from first-round rookies to veterans and retirees without negatively affecting compensation for rounds 2-7; no compensation reduction for veterans; implement new year-round health and safety rules; retain the current 16-4 season format for at least two years with any subsequent changes subject to the approval of the league and union; and establish a new legacy fund for retired players ($82 million contributed by the owners over the next two years).

It was a deal that offered compromise, and would have ensured the well-being of our players and guaranteed the long-term future for the fans of the great game we all love so much. It was a deal where everyone would prosper.

We remain committed to collective bargaining and the federal mediation process until an agreement is reached, and call on the union to return to negotiations immediately. NFL players, clubs, and fans want an agreement. The only place it can be reached is at the bargaining table.

While we are disappointed with the union's actions, we remain steadfastly committed to reaching an agreement that serves the best interest of NFL players, clubs and fans, and thank you for your continued support of our League. First and foremost it is your passion for the game that drives us all, and we will not lose sight of this as we continue to work for a deal that works for everyone.

 

Yours,
Roger Goodell




 





Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 12, 2011, 02:43:39 PM
Any statement from the Players Union? Their website is down.

Pity, that proposal from the owner seems reasonable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on March 12, 2011, 07:12:25 PM
Jerry Jones is still confident that a deal can be done,for once i hope he's right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 15, 2011, 12:14:42 PM
In the Mixed Martials Arts World the biggest player is the UFC, with the second biggest promotion with some of the best fighters in the world being Strikeforce. In an unexpected move UFC just purchased Strikeforce.
What does this mean and why am I posting here?

Well with the NFL lockout on the horizon I can see the UFC launching Sunday fights to capture a portion of the audience. They now have a huge roster of exciting fighters and a host of super fights and matchups the fans want to see. I could be wrong but it's a possibility........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2011, 12:57:14 PM
NFL Lockout was always going to happen, but I don't think the season will be jeapordised. This golden goose won't be killed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 15, 2011, 06:02:25 PM
A baseball season was lost in the 80s. They have to have a bit of sense or the season could be lost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 15, 2011, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 15, 2011, 06:02:25 PM
A baseball season was lost in the 80s. They have to have a bit of sense or the season could be lost.

That was in the 90s. The NBA had a shortened season a few years later as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 15, 2011, 07:20:33 PM
Did the NHL not lose an entire season in 2004 or something?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 15, 2011, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: thejuice on March 12, 2011, 02:43:39 PM
Any statement from the Players Union? Their website is down.

Pity, that proposal from the owner seems reasonable.

Of course it does. Its PR. Remember we only got to this point because the owners opted out of the last agreement, which had two years left to run! Yeah, it sounds reasonable to say "The proposal we made included an offer to narrow the player compensation gap that existed in the negotiations by splitting the difference", but you have to remember that they're splitting the difference from a number that they themselves determined originally!

Read this. It's absolutely on the nose...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110304 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110304)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2011, 08:24:38 PM
Yeah, hockey lost a season recently enough, and the NFL had a scabs season as well I think, or a few weeks of it anyway. However, the NFL has risen to be *the* pre-eminent sport in the US, and I don't think either the owners or the players really want to see an impact on the season. There'll be a lot of hassle, and possibly an impact on training camp, but I'm convinced the season will go ahead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 16, 2011, 08:23:51 AM
Tom continues his Chicago love fest - good stuff:

Rose in full bloom delights the city of Chicago

TOM HUMPHRIES

LOCKERROOM : The Bulls' mercurial young point guard is driving the team, and his home town, back towards the promised land

ANYBODY WITH a fondness for American sports will have noticed how occasionally in the major cities the success of one local franchise will prompt good times in the franchise for completely different sports.

The best recent example is Boston where the Red Sox ended decades of cursed starvation, the Patriots and Tom Brady yomped to gridiron success and the Celtics revived their wonderful hoop rivalry with the LA Lakers. Being a Bostonian must have been the next best thing to being a Dub when the hurlers and footballers top their leagues.

The next city to benefit from the knock on effect might be Chicago. One of the greatest and most beautiful of the world's places to live. Following on the slightly surprising Stanley Cup win for the local Blackhawks last year, the town's beloved Bulls are showing signs of life again.

A week of so ago at the United Centre on the fringes of town, the Bulls got together some famous faces to mark the 20th anniversary of the franchises first NBA title. HE showed up. He being Michael Jordan, for whom that victory was the first move away from the Bulls being Michael Jordan plus supporting cast. The rest of his side learned to play with him (even though they always struggled without him) and as a group they went on to secure five more titles before 1998, the sequence coming as two streaks of three-in-a-row.

That dynasty passed into history. In US sports, surprisingly, rebuilding isn't just a case of opening the chequebook and casting come-hither looks at superstars. The wage structures and the draft system democratise the game. By the early part of the new century the Bulls had gone two years without so much as putting three games in a row together. In the year 2000, with the good days already digested and forgotten, the Chicago public waited patiently as the Bulls went after what they hoped would be two of four available stars: Tim Duncan, Grant Hill, Tracy McGrady and Eddie Jones. One by one they found excuses to go elsewhere. Chicago was left feeling bruised.

Now with a Chicagoan hoopster in the White House and a new mayor in town, the Bulls are looking good, sitting second in their division, fractionally behind the Boston Celtics. What has added to the pleasure of the city, however, has been the fact the revival has been led by a local hero. Derrick Rose was born in the city and reared in the city and has the slightly-tainted past which Chicagoans find it easy to understand and to forgive.

Rose is a point guard who has improved year on year since the Bulls took him as first choice in the draft of 2008. To get first choice in the draft you have to be in the basement of the game's ranking system. That's where the Bulls were at the time and the speed of their rise since then is testimony to what they have wrung out of their young star already.

Rose, like Jordan, isn't especially tall and he leads the Bulls with a radically different mindset. Tex Winter, an old backroom coach at the Bulls, used to chide Jordan with the words, "There's no I in team, Michael", to which Jordan would habitually reply, "Yep, but there is in win". Rose on the other hand has had to be tutored in selfishness. He went to school locally in Simeon High and having been recruited early to college passed incessantly in the team's games in order to highlight the abilities of his comrades and offer them an escape from the world he would be leaving behind.

He went on to the University of Memphis where his abilities led the team to the best winning season in college hoops history and to the final four where they were beaten in the final, just their second defeat in 40 games.

He deferred to players senior to him and seldom bothered buffing his own stats. Still, he showed enough to be able to quit college after his freshman year and go as first pick in the draft.

The Bulls found what every other side had found. Rose didn't take games by the scruff of the neck. He played without ego or selfishness. He brought them back to the promised land of play-offs basketball in each of his first two seasons. They urged him to be more selfish.

This season he has paid heed.

Chicago is a tough town to be a prodigy in. Expectation is as tangible as bad weather in the lives of young players. Every kid who shows some ability is reminded of what a graveyard the city has been for young talents. Literally and figuratively. A kid called Ben Wilson once had the hopes of the city on his shoulders back in the 1980s. He was shot and killed in school one day before he even reached the NBA. As the Jordan era was winding down, the city turned it's hungry eyes to a kid called Ronnie Fields who was following Kevin Garnett (lost to other franchises) through school at Farragut High. Fields got no protection, listened to everybody and mismanaged himself into oblivion. The kids in the classic 1990s documentary Hoop Dreams? Chicagoans.

Derrick Rose, from Englewood on the city's south side, dodged all those bullets and pitfalls. He is the youngest of four brothers and as such was protected obsessively. He was shielded from every sort of bad influence, his movements were monitored, his friends checked out, his schoolwork checked.

The kid had a mobile phone but only to play games on. All calls came through his brothers' phones. All calls were screened. It sounds obsessive but in the neighbourhoods of Chicago a young phenomenal basketball player is seen as a meal ticket not just for his family, but for any hustler and bandit who can latch on hard before the money starts pouring in.

In the end, after being recruited by most of the big American colleges, Rose went to Memphis and gave them that incredible season. The following year, however, that piece of history began to unravel. An investigation into the SAT scores (players need a minimum number of points in the American equivalent of the leaving certificate in order to become eligible for college and scholarships) of Rose and three other players showed discrepancies. It appeared that Rose was so well looked after in school that somebody else sat the SATs for him. The University of Memphis saw it's record season expunged from the books but by then Rose had jumped to the NBA and, in the process, come home to Chicago. There he has learned to be hard and selfish on the court and is dragging the Bulls back towards the glory days. In that sports mad city, no lasting taint attaches itself to the star point guard who will deliver a return to paradise. The Bulls are back. The hero is local. The future is bright. His past is another country. Getting through school without being shot or pimped into obscurity is enough for now.

Only in America.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 16, 2011, 09:49:10 AM
Rose is the real deal.

This season's top MVP candidate, he's a cracking player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on March 16, 2011, 10:15:30 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on March 15, 2011, 12:14:42 PM
In the Mixed Martials Arts World the biggest player is the UFC, with the second biggest promotion with some of the best fighters in the world being Strikeforce. In an unexpected move UFC just purchased Strikeforce.
What does this mean and why am I posting here?

Well with the NFL lockout on the horizon I can see the UFC launching Sunday fights to capture a portion of the audience. They now have a huge roster of exciting fighters and a host of super fights and matchups the fans want to see. I could be wrong but it's a possibility........

Dana White is as cute as a fox, if the NFL season does not go ahead this would not suprise me.  MMA and UFC in particular is in a boom period, have we seen the peak of this period yet?  Doubtful.  UFC do huge PPV buys.  Heres the top ten for the last two years in all sports.

Top 10 PPV buy rates, 2009

1. UFC 100: Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir, July 11, 1.6 million

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Miguel Cotto, Nov. 14, 1.25 million

3. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, Sept. 19, 1.05 millon

4. UFC 94: Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn, Jan. 31, 920,000 buys

5. UFC 101: Penn vs. Kenny Florian/Anderson Silva vs. Forrest Griffin, Aug. 8, 850,000

6. Boxing: Pacquiao vs. Ricky Hatton, May 2, 825,000

7t. UFC 107: Penn vs. Diego Sanchez, Dec. 12, 650,000

7t. UFC 97: Silva vs. Thales Leites/Chuck Liddell vs. Mauricio Rua, April 18, 650,000

9. UFC 99: Lyoto Machida vs. Rashad Evans/Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra, May 23, 635,000

10. Wrestling: WWE WrestleMania 25, April 5, 582,000 buys


Top 10 PPV Buyrates 2010

1. Boxing: Floyd Mayweather vs. Shane Mosley, May 1, 1.4 million buys

2. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito, Nov. 13, 1,150,000 buys

3. UFC 116: Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin, July 3, 1,100,000 buys

4. UFC 114: Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans, May 29, 1,050,000 buys

5. UFC 121: Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, Oct. 23, 1,000,000 buys

6. UFC 124: Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck, Dec. 11, 785,000 buys

7. UFC 111: St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy, March 27, 770,000 buys

8. Boxing: Manny Pacquiao vs. Joshua Clottey, March 13, 700,000 buys

9. UFC 107: Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen, Aug. 7, 600,000 buys

10. UFC 118: Frank Edgar vs. B.J. Penn/Randy Couture vs. James Toney, 535,000 buys

WWE buyrates continue to fall even for Wrestlemania their biggest PPV of the year.  Boxing can still pull in huge numbers but with only a couple of superfights each year they don't do it nearly enough.  However UFC dominate both lists and as I said the popularity of MMA and UFC still has not peaked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 16, 2011, 02:47:03 PM
Heading to the weigh-ins now on Friday for UFC 128. Couldn't get tickets at a reasonable price but will order them in to the house and have some of the lads over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 21, 2011, 07:04:42 PM
Anyone watching March Madness on ESPN lads? The greatest run tournament in sports in my opinion, certainly in American Sports. It started on St. Patrick's Day, and continued through to Sunday in the early rounds. They are down to the 'Sweet 16' now, and will be playing this and the 'Elite Eight' this week from March 24-27. Then it's onto the Final Four in Houston on the weekend of April 2nd.

The number 1 seeds have progressed safely, except for Pittsburgh who went down in a shocker to Butler, although Butler had been to the NAtional Championship game last year. The other #1 seeds, reigning champions Duke, Big 10 Ohio State and Big 12 Kansas are all safely through to the Sweet 16. Other surprises so far, in a competition that always produces great games and upsets, were #11 Marquette taking out #3 Syracuse in the 'East' Regional. There's also been a double upset in the 'South West' conference as #11 Virginia Commonwealth and #10 Florida State upset #3 Purdue and #2 Notre Dame respectively. In fact, with #12 Richmond and #13 Morehead State taking care of #5 Vanderbilt and #4 Louisiana, the South West last 4 includes a #1, #10, #11 and #12.


The Sweet 16 is

East Region
#1 Ohio State University v #4 Kentucky
#11 Marquette v #2 University of North Carolina

Southwest Region
#1 Kansas v #12 Richmond
#10 Florida State v #11Virginia Commonwealth

West Region
#1 Duke v #5 Arizona
#2 San Diego State v #3 Connecticut

Southeast Region
#4 Wisconsin v #8 Butler
#2 Florida v #3 Brigham Young
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 21, 2011, 10:05:15 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12812053 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12812053)

Interesting to see how this turns out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 21, 2011, 10:29:36 PM
I see Ochoconco is thinking of taking up soccer. Good luck to him is call I'll say. Carson Palmer still threatening to retire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on March 21, 2011, 11:23:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 21, 2011, 07:04:42 PM
Anyone watching March Madness on ESPN lads? The greatest run tournament in sports in my opinion, certainly in American Sports. It started on St. Patrick's Day, and continued through to Sunday in the early rounds. They are down to the 'Sweet 16' now, and will be playing this and the 'Elite Eight' this week from March 24-27. Then it's onto the Final Four in Houston on the weekend of April 2nd.

The number 1 seeds have progressed safely, except for Pittsburgh who went down in a shocker to Butler, although Butler had been to the NAtional Championship game last year. The other #1 seeds, reigning champions Duke, Big 10 Ohio State and Big 12 Kansas are all safely through to the Sweet 16. Other surprises so far, in a competition that always produces great games and upsets, were #11 Marquette taking out #3 Syracuse in the 'East' Regional. There's also been a double upset in the 'South West' conference as #11 Virginia Commonwealth and #10 Florida State upset #3 Purdue and #2 Notre Dame respectively. In fact, with #12 Richmond and #13 Morehead State taking care of #5 Vanderbilt and #4 Louisiana, the South West last 4 includes a #1, #10, #11 and #12.


The Sweet 16 is

East Region
#1 Ohio State University v #4 Kentucky
#11 Marquette v #2 University of North Carolina

Southwest Region
#1 Kansas v #12 Richmond
#10 Florida State v #11Virginia Commonwealth

West Region
#1 Duke v #5 Arizona
#2 San Diego State v #3 Connecticut

Southeast Region
#4 Wisconsin v #8 Butler
#2 Florida v #3 Brigham Young

Superb tournament, pity about the result in the Arizona v UT game but apart from that its been decent this year.  Very surprised to see Baylor not make it there this year, awful lot of talk about how good their recruiting class was last year from what I remember they picked up the number 1 and number 3 ranked prospects in the nation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 10:37:46 AM
The first four 'Elite Eight' teams are through, in the West and SouthEast regions. In the west there were a couple of 'upsets' as Number 1 Duke took a hard fall as #5 Arizona took care of them 93-77. In the other Regional semi final out west, #3 University of Connecticut beat San Diego State University (the #2 seed) 74-67. U of A now faces UConn on Saturday for a spot in the final four.

In the SouthEast Regional semi finals, #2 Florida held serve against #3 Brigham Young University 83-74, while #8 Butler continue to recreate their march of last year with a 61-54 victory over #4 Wisconsin. Florida and Butler will now face off on Saturday for a spot in Houston as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 25, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
http://stats.cleveland.com/cbk/story.asp?i=20110303050032894354708 (http://stats.cleveland.com/cbk/story.asp?i=20110303050032894354708)

That story about BYU is just mad. Can you imagine a similar story for Sigerson/Fitzgibbon?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 25, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
http://stats.cleveland.com/cbk/story.asp?i=20110303050032894354708 (http://stats.cleveland.com/cbk/story.asp?i=20110303050032894354708)

That story about BYU is just mad. Can you imagine a similar story for Sigerson/Fitzgibbon?

In fairness to BYU, you might disagree with them, but they are very committed to the Mormon belief system and values. They regularly lose athletes when they goe on the Mormon missions, and obviously they upheld this particular directive as well, even though it obviously hurt them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 25, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Absolutely AZ but it just sounds bizarre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 25, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Absolutely AZ but it just sounds bizarre

Almost cultish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 25, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Baseball season is almost here. Is anyone interested in doing a gaa board fantasy baseball league?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on March 25, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 25, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
http://stats.cleveland.com/cbk/story.asp?i=20110303050032894354708 (http://stats.cleveland.com/cbk/story.asp?i=20110303050032894354708)

That story about BYU is just mad. Can you imagine a similar story for Sigerson/Fitzgibbon?

In fairness to BYU, you might disagree with them, but they are very committed to the Mormon belief system and values. They regularly lose athletes when they goe on the Mormon missions, and obviously they upheld this particular directive as well, even though it obviously hurt them.

If I ever have a daughter she's going to BYU.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 25, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Baseball season is almost here. Is anyone interested in doing a gaa board fantasy baseball league?

I wouldn't mind Pat. Are you starting one
?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 25, 2011, 02:33:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: Declan on March 25, 2011, 11:04:22 AM
Absolutely AZ but it just sounds bizarre

Almost cultish.

In fairness the lad knew what he was doing and what the implications would be. Its not like the school's code isn't known and understood by all students.
He also could have kept his mouth shut about it.......

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 25, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
Talk of Cam Newton going #1 in the draft, absolutely mental in my view if he did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on March 25, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 25, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
Talk of Cam Newton going #1 in the draft, absolutely mental in my view if he did.

Hoping that the niners will get either Peterson or Miller. Peterson shouldn't drop to 7 but there are so many teams that need a QB so it may happen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 25, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
 I play a few of them every year against yanks I dont know. It would be more interesting to play against Gaa Board people I dont know. It is a long season and tends to drag a bit and you have to make changes all the time.

Quote from: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 25, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Baseball season is almost here. Is anyone interested in doing a gaa board fantasy baseball league?

I wouldn't mind Pat. Are you starting one
?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 26, 2011, 04:12:06 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 25, 2011, 06:33:43 PM
I play a few of them every year against yanks I dont know. It would be more interesting to play against Gaa Board people I dont know. It is a long season and tends to drag a bit and you have to make changes all the time.

Quote from: AZOffaly on March 25, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 25, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Baseball season is almost here. Is anyone interested in doing a gaa board fantasy baseball league?

I wouldn't mind Pat. Are you starting one
?



There is a league on yahoo - res dubs 2011 league.
I dont have the league details anymore to signup but emailed the commish to post the info here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2011, 09:57:07 AM
If ye are interested, here is an ESPN Fantasy league 'lite'. It's like the Soccer/Rugby ones we play here, no draft, just stay within a budget. Change your lineup once a week.

This game challenges you to build a roster of pro baseball players, consisting of 9 position players and a pitching staff, while staying under your team's $50m salary cap. Best of all, it's FREE to play.

Get in the action now:
http://games.espn.go.com/baseball-challenge/en/group?groupID=5225 (http://games.espn.go.com/baseball-challenge/en/group?groupID=5225)
Group: Minor Leaguers
Password: godbacks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 31, 2011, 01:07:57 PM
Summer must be on the way. The clocks are forward, and the boys of Summer start their season today. Major League Baseball is back. Anyone want to join that thing I posted above?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on April 09, 2011, 12:47:02 AM
The Chargers Girls are hosting their new blade recruitment - http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandiegochargers/with/5601291643/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 09, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Being a judge for that must be tough.


Haven't paid much attention to the Draft.

Whats been happening with the Collective Bargaining Agreement, last I heard they were going to court.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 09, 2011, 10:41:58 AM
Manny Ramirez retires after testing positive for PEDs again.

Sport is rotten to the core.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 13, 2011, 03:44:48 PM
Good hard hitting game scheduled for London 2011

Bears vs Bucs

If the season goes ahead  ::)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110412_bearsbucs_to_meet_in_london
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 13, 2011, 04:59:47 PM
A little disappointed in that matchup to be honest. Saw the Bucs two years ago and while they are a much better team now, they don't have many players that I would really like to see. Same with the Bears, good but not great. I'll be looking foward to seeing Mike Williams, Freeman, Cutler, Urlacher, Forte, but they don't hold the same appeal as the likes of Willis, Moss & Dawkins - real iconic players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 13, 2011, 05:01:11 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 13, 2011, 04:59:47 PM
A little disappointed in that matchup to be honest. Saw the Bucs two years ago and while they are a much better team now, they don't have many players that I would really like to see. Same with the Bears, good but not great. I'll be looking foward to seeing Mike Williams, Freeman, Cutler, Urlacher, Forte, but they don't hold the same appeal as the likes of Willis, Moss & Dawkins - real iconic players.

Yeah agree, it is a really underwhelming pairing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 13, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Bucs again  ???

Given that the aul wallet is fairly light these days, I might give this one a miss. Been to them all so far but I couldn't care less about these two teams really, even though they were both play-off *calibre last year.


*by that I mean good enough to reach the play-offs but in the case of the buccs were a bit unlucky not to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 13, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 13, 2011, 05:01:11 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 13, 2011, 04:59:47 PM
A little disappointed in that matchup to be honest. Saw the Bucs two years ago and while they are a much better team now, they don't have many players that I would really like to see. Same with the Bears, good but not great. I'll be looking foward to seeing Mike Williams, Freeman, Cutler, Urlacher, Forte, but they don't hold the same appeal as the likes of Willis, Moss & Dawkins - real iconic players.

Yeah agree, it is a really underwhelming pairing.

Devin Hester is worth the price of the ticket all alone, unbelievable kick return man. These are two teams that used to be in the same  conference, the hits will be heard all the way across the pond. Tampa's D mirrors the Bear's D with tough linebackers and excellent D-lineman.

TB has Cadilac Williams & Blount in the backfield, Kellen Winslow at TE and two Stud WRs in the making with Benn and Spurlock. They just need a decent QB.

Will be a very good matchup with the Bears winning by 9.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 13, 2011, 11:38:10 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 13, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 13, 2011, 05:01:11 PM
Quote from: The Claw on April 13, 2011, 04:59:47 PM
A little disappointed in that matchup to be honest. Saw the Bucs two years ago and while they are a much better team now, they don't have many players that I would really like to see. Same with the Bears, good but not great. I'll be looking foward to seeing Mike Williams, Freeman, Cutler, Urlacher, Forte, but they don't hold the same appeal as the likes of Willis, Moss & Dawkins - real iconic players.

Yeah agree, it is a really underwhelming pairing.

Devin Hester is worth the price of the ticket all alone, unbelievable kick return man. These are two teams that used to be in the same  conference, the hits will be heard all the way across the pond. Tampa's D mirrors the Bear's D with tough linebackers and excellent D-lineman.

TB has Cadilac Williams & Blount in the backfield, Kellen Winslow at TE and two Stud WRs in the making with Benn and Spurlock. They just need a decent QB.

Will be a very good matchup with the Bears winning by 9.

With this new rule on kickoffs will Hester be any where near as effective?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 14, 2011, 12:51:31 AM
Quote from: thejuice on April 09, 2011, 10:13:25 AM
Being a judge for that must be tough.


Haven't paid much attention to the Draft.

Whats been happening with the Collective Bargaining Agreement, last I heard they were going to court.

The judge has ordered both sides to enter a mediation process which starts tomorrow I think. While the judge has to decide if the lockout is legal. The agreement will not be in place in time for free agency to take place before the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 16, 2011, 08:39:29 PM
NBA playoffs up and running, and what a start. Chicago who were hot favourites over Indiana had trailed all game till 48 seconds to go and stole the first game in this series.  If Indiana had of held on it would have been a massive shock.  Larry Bird looked gutted as Chicago hit the front. Great start.
Miami Philadelphia now. Hope to get Tickets for Knicks Celtic next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 17, 2011, 10:27:25 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 16, 2011, 08:39:29 PM
NBA playoffs up and running, and what a start. Chicago who were hot favourites over Indiana had trailed all game till 48 seconds to go and stole the first game in this series.  If Indiana had of held on it would have been a massive shock.  Larry Bird looked gutted as Chicago hit the front. Great start.
Miami Philadelphia now. Hope to get Tickets for Knicks Celtic next week.

Derrick Rose was utterly fantastic, and Chris Paul is having a cracker right now in LA too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 19, 2011, 10:02:26 AM
How do I go about getting tickets for the Bears/Bucs game in Wembley assuming it goes ahead?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 19, 2011, 10:13:21 AM
nfluk.com is your best bet Seanie. They'll have a register your interest and all on that page.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on April 19, 2011, 10:59:58 AM
NFL schedule released tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 19, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 19, 2011, 10:13:21 AM
nfluk.com is your best bet Seanie. They'll have a register your interest and all on that page.

Cheers for that. Think I'll go over for it. I can wear my Urlacher jersey and my green and gold scarf!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 29, 2011, 02:31:14 AM
Cam Newton number 1 pick and Jake Locker at 8. Talk about reaching. That said who in the Vikings Front Office thinks Ponder is a first round pick let alone number 12 especially with Mallet still on the board. I dispair.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2011, 03:44:58 AM
Mallett is a tr**p. It takes more than a good arm to be a long term success at quarterback in the NFL. I am a Vikings fan as well and a lot of them on their message board are not happy with the pick It is considered a big reach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

Edit, just looking at a few sites there, appears to be a rumour about Patrick Peterson trade for Kevin Kolb.Not sure about that. I'd like someone like Kolb, but not for a 1st round pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 29, 2011, 10:30:10 AM
As a Bears fan I'm pretty happy with Carimi. Lucky he dropped that far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

It was a good pick but I still think they should have gone with Gabbert. They need a qb to go with Fitzgerald as he might leave next season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 10:43:14 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 29, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

It was a good pick but I still think they should have gone with Gabbert. They need a qb to go with Fitzgerald as he might leave next season

They'll get a QB. But it may not be in the draft. Peterson was the 'best player on the board'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2011, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

Edit, just looking at a few sites there, appears to be a rumour about Patrick Peterson trade for Kevin Kolb.Not sure about that. I'd like someone like Kolb, but not for a 1st round pick.

There is no way, I don't think, that a team would give up a first rounder for Kolb, who is largely unproven. Mind you in the NFL nothing would surprise me. Still trying to work out how Newton went #1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 29, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
Happy with the Falcons getting Julio Jones, we need a big time receiver if we are going to win in the play-offs. At the moment the Falcons are a sturdy safe team but they aren't explosive enough, especially at WR. I know Roddy White gets great numbers but it doesn't translate into points often enough.

Having said that we gave up this years 27th pick and 4th round pick, next years 1st, 2nd and 4th round pick. Thats a lot, but I guess Dimitroff knows talent.

We still have problems on defense and I'm not sure if we can resolve any of it in the Draft this year or next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 29, 2011, 11:35:22 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 29, 2011, 10:30:10 AM
As a Bears fan I'm pretty happy with Carimi. Lucky he dropped that far.

Agree, best they could have picked. Would need about another 20lbs for the start of the season though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 29, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 29, 2011, 02:31:14 AM
Cam Newton number 1 pick and Jake Locker at 8. Talk about reaching. That said who in the Vikings Front Office thinks Ponder is a first round pick let alone number 12 especially with Mallet still on the board. I dispair.

Newton was exactly what the Panthers need, he will be a good starter for them.

Biggest steals of the draft Ravens getting Jimmy Smith at CB (top ten pick imo) and Saints grabbing Ingram.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 29, 2011, 12:52:57 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 29, 2011, 11:41:25 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 29, 2011, 02:31:14 AM
Cam Newton number 1 pick and Jake Locker at 8. Talk about reaching. That said who in the Vikings Front Office thinks Ponder is a first round pick let alone number 12 especially with Mallet still on the board. I dispair.

Newton was exactly what the Panthers need, he will be a good starter for them.

Biggest steals of the draft Ravens getting Jimmy Smith at CB (top ten pick imo) and Saints grabbing Ingram.

I am not at all surprised Newton went No1 I just dont think he was deserving of being a No 1 pick, I also don't think Locker or Ponder should have been top 12 picks.

Agree about Smith and whilst I think Ingram is a good football player, there isnt that much need for a stand out running back in the league, particularly when 5 of your opponents are imo likely to be in the top 10 against the run.  As a result I think the pick of Cameron Jordan was their better pick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 29, 2011, 01:28:38 PM
None of the QB's were that good to be fair.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 29, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 29, 2011, 11:22:38 AM
Happy with the Falcons getting Julio Jones, we need a big time receiver if we are going to win in the play-offs. At the moment the Falcons are a sturdy safe team but they aren't explosive enough, especially at WR. I know Roddy White gets great numbers but it doesn't translate into points often enough.

Having said that we gave up this years 27th pick and 4th round pick, next years 1st, 2nd and 4th round pick. Thats a lot, but I guess Dimitroff knows talent.

We still have problems on defense and I'm not sure if we can resolve any of it in the Draft this year or next year.

Falcons obviously feel that an explosive offensive talent like Jones could be the difference in pushing them over the edge to reach a Superbowl. They gave up an awful lot to get him though. They could have plugged a fair few holes with all those picks but they obviously want to go for it in the next year or two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on April 29, 2011, 02:53:11 PM
Cam 'I want to be an icon' Newton is a big enough gamble at no1. Questionable work ethic and already a legend in his own head.

Don't think he'll be a bust in the same vien as a JaMarcus Russell but that's  brave move taking him first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 29, 2011, 03:00:07 PM
The Patriots now have 3 picks in the 2nd round (after trading down yet again) so will be interesting to see what they do. They have the next pick up and must be tempted to pick Da'Quan Bowers who many think is the best defensive end in the draft but has slipped because teams are worried about his knee injury. The Pats badly need a pass rusher and they don't seem to worry about drafting injured players as much as most teams do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2011, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 29, 2011, 02:53:11 PM
Cam 'I want to be an icon' Newton is a big enough gamble at no1. Questionable work ethic and already a legend in his own head.

Don't think he'll be a bust in the same vien as a JaMarcus Russell but that's  brave move taking him first.

The off field issues aside, I remember reading a few months ago that pro scouts had about 12 throws that Newton has made in College to study, the rest of his throws, formations etc would never translate to the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on April 29, 2011, 03:31:06 PM
From what I understand Newton was pretty much always throwing from shotgun and had very little reading of the play to do. Very different from what an NFL QB would be at.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

Edit, just looking at a few sites there, appears to be a rumour about Patrick Peterson trade for Kevin Kolb.Not sure about that. I'd like someone like Kolb, but not for a 1st round pick.

Nevada's stud should be available in the second round AZ.  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jimmy on April 29, 2011, 11:37:10 PM
For anyone interested, link for a stream for the draft.

http://www.justin.tv/roxbball15#/w/1141011696/6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

Edit, just looking at a few sites there, appears to be a rumour about Patrick Peterson trade for Kevin Kolb.Not sure about that. I'd like someone like Kolb, but not for a 1st round pick.

Nevada's stud should be available in the second round AZ.  :)

And Kap goes to the 49ers. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 30, 2011, 08:59:32 AM
This is an easy way to keep track of your fav team for the draft

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams?&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft%2fteams
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on April 30, 2011, 09:03:17 AM
Some odd drafting by the Raiders.

Wisniewski was a given, following his uncle and could well start at centre this year.

Joseph  Barksdale was an outstanding high school player but regarded in some circles as a bit of  an underachiever in college. Will look to make RT his spot.

DeMarcus vanDyke is a typical Al Davis player. Fast speed in the combine (4.3) but poor bench press (5 reps) and quite small (6ft) and very light (176lb) he will need to bulk up big time. A serious problem is that he lost his place on the college team  in senior year and appeared to be as interested in track as he was in football.  Pure speed = Al Davis type of player though but it's a mammoth ask to try and come close to filling Nmandi's shoes.

Mixed bag so far.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 30, 2011, 10:58:37 AM
Well what else do you expect from Al Davis?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 30, 2011, 11:57:08 AM
Happy again with the Bears round 2 pick Stephen Paea. Tommie Harris just hasn't been the same player in the last couple of seasons and its an area that needed fixing. The round 3 pick Chris Conte is a bit of a head scratcher. Bears must be intending tgo for an experienced WR in free agency (if and when that happens).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 30, 2011, 02:13:40 PM
Surprised with Kyle Rudolph pick good player but not a real need imo with Shancoe and Klenssaser still there next year, thought with such a deep draft for offensive and defensive lines that we may have gone there but I have long since given up trying to understand the front office
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 01, 2011, 11:53:56 PM
UFL (United Football League) is doing a Draft now I think so with the lock-out and undrafted players they are hoping to get some players from the NFL. However it might be a bit premature on the players behalf to sign any binding contract when the lock-out could be resolved.

It also opens up the arguement that the players had in regards the lock-out about not having any other employment options. The wage difference though is enormous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on May 12, 2011, 09:50:46 AM
Thought this was an interesting article on the lock out:

NFL Lockout: Millionaires v. Billionaires or Them v. Us?
Why the NFL Would Do Us a Favor by Calling Off the Coming Season
by Robert Lipsyte
There's nothing like a little dust-up between millionaires and billionaires to start us thousandaires yawning. And when the upcoming pro football season is in danger of being cancelled because of it, we're likely to say: a plague on both your mansions.

Too bad, because the current struggle between labor and management in the National Football League not only reflects the current attacks on unions across the country but conjures up, even if in cartoon fashion, some crucial American issues: racism, classism, sexism, recreational violence, and the health-care gap. No wonder football seems to have replaced baseball as the national pastime.

While the legalities of, and mathematics behind, the issues at the heart of the NFL dispute may be complex, the basic issues are not. The league's owners cry economic woe, while refusing to open their books. They insist on adding two games to the present regular season of 16 games and at the same time are trying to reduce the players' share of revenues. Moreover, they have been remarkably unwilling to guarantee long-term health benefits to the players, even as evidence mounts that dementia and early death are linked to the sort of brain trauma commonly suffered in football collisions.

It's not exactly a fair fight, which of course is why unions were invented.  It's estimated that half of the NFL owners are worth at least a billion dollars each, while slightly less than half of NFL players make more than a million dollars annually. The average player's career lasts fewer than four years.

Most traditional sports media -- while claiming to represent those thousandaires, the fans -- have framed the battle as one between rich, greedy young men versus very rich, very greedy older men. The young men, so goes the present media line, were overpaid in the good times, and now, like everyone else, must give back in the economic bad times for the sake of the game. Not surprisingly, this greedy v. greedy take on a football dispute, which threatens the upcoming season, is hardly likely to engage the empathy of TV viewers who just want to watch the game as a respite from joblessness, foreclosure, or the problems that come from inadequate health insurance.

In case you haven't noticed, this isn't all that different from the way the larger labor struggles of American society have been framed recently. Greedy, overpaid municipal employees, for example, watching the clock until their bloated pensions and benefits kick in, are bleeding beleaguered governments supported by the rest of us. Okay, your basic offensive lineman isn't exactly like a beleaguered teacher or nurse, but the key element of the plot to destroy his ability to bargain collectively against more powerful forces is the same: make him the alien other, make him different from us.

Back when we thought professional athletes were merely bigger and stronger versions of ourselves and the teams they played for were extensions of our pride of place, labor unrest in sports was personal and painful. Fans wondered how a player could hold out for more money when they would have played the game for free. How could a league threaten to cancel a season? Didn't it know the games gave rhythm to their lives?

In more than 50 years covering sports, I find the most striking change is in the attitude of fans toward the athletes. Fans have, I suspect, lost most of the emotional attachment they once had for "their" players and much of the old extended-family feeling toward their teams as well. And there's some justification for that: they've been hurt too many times by callous trades, players selling themselves to the highest bidder, bad behavior of every sort, and franchises simply picking up and moving elsewhere.

But there's something larger going on as well, echoed by the seemingly successful latest attacks on organized labor highlighted by the recent demonstrations in Madison, Wisconsin, and in the creation of the Tea Party League by those seemingly everyday folk who just happen to be funded by the same kind of robber barons who blackmail cities and states into paying for their ballparks.

Whether you're a TPL or an NFL fan (or both), the odds are increasing that you've lost connection to the players and instead begun to identify with the powerboys, the owners, whether of the corporate nation or the National Football League. This is hardly a phenomenon that began with sports, but it's vividly accessible in the simpler, more clear-cut world shaped around the player-owner-fan dynamic.

I first saw it revving up while covering our previous national pastime, baseball. In 1957, the year I joined the New York Times' sports department, two of the city's three baseball teams, the Dodgers and the Giants, decamped to California for better stadium deals. Brooklyn Dodgers fans seemed most bereaved and outraged. The team's players had often lived in their neighborhoods. Their vicissitudes had made possible conversations that crossed the usual class and racial divides. In churches and temples, clergymen led prayers to end losing streaks. Brooklyn was proud of its progressive history -- only 10 years earlier, Jackie Robinson had broken the major league color barrier at Ebbets Field. More African-American players soon joined him.

This was not the first franchise shift (Boston, St. Louis, and Philadelphia had all moved earlier in the 1950s) but this one got the most attention, perhaps because even then there were so many fine writers and academics in Brooklyn. The discussion has never abated.

The flight from Brooklyn to Los Angeles became a symbol of fan betrayal.

It was in those last months before the move, when the heckling from the stands grew vicious, that I first sensed the old order beginning to fracture. Those were, of course, just the initial fissures. Since then, the economic and social gap between fan and jock has widened to a yawning abyss as the millionaires and billionaires appeared and sports stadiums increasingly became the preserves of those wealthy enough to fork over staggering sums for seats.

Meanwhile, the financial value of sport teams escalated and the role of sportswriters as information couriers between players and fans became increasingly obsolete. TV freed athletes from needing print journalists to present them to the public, and most TV sports journalists -- the Daily Beast writer and editor Bryan Curtis has called sportscasting "a halfway house for half-wits" -- were thrilled to remain part of the show on the industry's terms.

Celebrity Sports Writing

From the athlete to the owner, sports increasingly became a matter of branding. Athletes could work to control their images through ads and paid appearances. Nowadays, blogs, tweets, and Facebook pages give teams and athletes direct access to fans.  They can announce (and spin) their own news. There are tightly-controlled and infrequent mass media conferences. One-on-one interviews are negotiated with agents and public relations advisors. Sports writing has become another department of celebrity journalism.

Attempts at progressive activism within sports tended to be co-opted by cash; product endorsement money (think of those Nike ads) has usually kept even socially conscious athletes quiet. Few successful watchdog organizations were ever formed, though Ralph Nader's revived League of Fans may be something to keep an eye on.  Its first public statement was a call for the end of college athletic scholarships, a fundamental building block of the pro game.

The violent excitement of football, its aggressive marketing, and the solidarity of the owners -- many of the more recent ones new-money entrepreneurs -- were all factors that helped push the game past baseball in audience and revenue. It captured the techno-smashmouth-imperialism of an empire that didn't quite know it was fading. Every mad-dog linebacker was an avatar for hedge-fund managers.

Some days I think that the worst-case scenario -- no National Football League games this year -- might be a blessing, especially if it were extended down through college and high school into the peewee leagues. It would be a year in which we could study those leading American issues that football vivifies so well.

Take lack of proper healthcare. No one is discussing steroids at the moment, although the freakish size and musculature of so many players would seem to indicate either the arrival of ever more sophisticated performance-enhancing drugs that escape detection or testing that is less rigorous than we have been led to believe.

The most pressing immediate concern, however, is head trauma. It usually becomes apparent years after retirement, but it begins in childhood when pounding on more vulnerable brains leads to lasting damage. A year off would give everyone a chance to let the steroids drain out and the testing for head injuries (even among youngsters) begin.

The classism and racism in pro football is almost too obvious to be worth mentioning. That the players are now predominately African-American, many of them sons of the underclass, may make this revolt of the gladiators even harder for the entitled white, ego-driven plutocrats -- not to mention the fans, predominately white and ever more likely to identify with the positions of the owners in this dispute. Otherwise, how do you explain the phenomenal expansion of the fantasy leagues in which every fan gets to be both owner and general manager of his or her own team?

And of course, it hardly needs be said that sexism remains pernicious, ranging as it does from those endless filler shots of hottie cheerleaders to a continuing pervasive discrimination against female college athletes which is frequently an attempt to protect the existence of large college football teams. Title IX, the federal law mandating fair play for women, requires an equity between male and female athletes.  To balance their 100-plus squads of football players, college athletic departments routinely lie about the number of varsity female athletes they support.

And then there's the violence, on field as well as off (about 20% of NFL players have arrest records, according to articles and a book by investigative reporters Jeff Benedict and Don Yaeger); and don't forget in the living room -- domestic abuse hotlines light up after big games.  Is it the gambling, the liquor, the testosterone?

Maybe we should be rooting for the labor impasse after all, at least through the coming season, during which we could learn some new football cheers:

Drain those steroids! Scan those brains! Open those financial books!  Hit... softer!

© 2011 Robert Lipsyte
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 12:06:30 PM
Lakers gone. Celtics gone. It's loking all too easy Miami right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 12:06:30 PM
Lakers gone. Celtics gone. It's loking all too easy Miami right now.

Don't write off the Bulls.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 12:06:30 PM
Lakers gone. Celtics gone. It's loking all too easy Miami right now.

Don't write off the Bulls.

I'm writing them off surely. If the Pacers could put a challenge up to them in the majority of their games then the Heat will take the series in 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 12, 2011, 02:38:37 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 12:06:30 PM
Lakers gone. Celtics gone. It's loking all too easy Miami right now.

Don't write off the Bulls.

I'm writing them off surely. If the Pacers could put a challenge up to them in the majority of their games then the Heat will take the series in 6.

The Heat just narrowly beat a team whose most important player played 3 games with one arm, and whose second most important player looked like a 45 year old for all but one of the games. Chicago are better equipped defensively than Boston to deal with Miami, and can cause the heat major headaches inside. Also Miami have nonplayer remotely capable of guarding Rose, or indeed Dirk, should Dallas reach the finals. It's far from over yet.

Miami are one Dwayne Wade injury away from being one (famously flaky)  player and a team of scrubs. And, yes, I'm including Bosh in that statement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 12, 2011, 04:02:37 PM
Looking like Miami Dallas for me.  Miami big two ( Bosh not in same league) have been unstoppable.
Big Dirk for Dallas just cant be marked.
Would love for Oklahoma to win it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
I hate the look of Bosch, frig he would sicken you. He is the highest paid player on the Heat and believes in his own hype. Not in the same league as LeBron or D Wade. He had a decent enough last quarter last night and wasn't too bad in this series but the Heat have a big 2, not 3.

Celtics lost it mentally. Was a sad sight. Even though they were competitive for 3 and a half quarters you just knew they were about to gas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 12, 2011, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Celtics lost it mentally. Was a sad sight. Even though they were competitive for 3 and a half quarters you just knew they were about to gas.

The Heat were able to continually drive to the rim on them. Them trading Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green will go down as one of the worst trades in Celtics history. No way would Lebron or Wade have had the balls to drive to the rim over and over like that if Perkins was there to meet them. Celtics gambled on Shaq staying healty and that was never likely. Of course it didn't help then that Rondo also got injured during the series. Celtics were just too banged up to compete with a younger team. Danny Ainge should be fired for the Perkins trade. Trading one of the best centres in the NBA for a guy who was basically cover for Pierce and Allen. This was probably the Celtics last chance of a title for a few years given their age profile and he decided to break up a winning team mid-season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 12, 2011, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Celtics lost it mentally. Was a sad sight. Even though they were competitive for 3 and a half quarters you just knew they were about to gas.

The Heat were able to continually drive to the rim on them. Them trading Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green will go down as one of the worst trades in Celtics history. No way would Lebron or Wade have had the balls to drive to the rim over and over like that if Perkins was there to meet them. Celtics gambled on Shaq staying healty and that was never likely. Of course it didn't help then that Rondo also got injured during the series. Celtics were just too banged up to compete with a younger team. Danny Ainge should be fired for the Perkins trade. Trading one of the best centres in the NBA for a guy who was basically cover for Pierce and Allen. This was probably the Celtics last chance of a title for a few years given their age profile and he decided to break up a winning team mid-season.
Agree!
Though who would have though Shaq would be out for 50 games? Still a horrible trade. Green is not the player people thought he could be....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 12, 2011, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 01:29:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2011, 12:29:17 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 12, 2011, 12:06:30 PM
Lakers gone. Celtics gone. It's loking all too easy Miami right now.

Don't write off the Bulls.

I'm writing them off surely. If the Pacers could put a challenge up to them in the majority of their games then the Heat will take the series in 6.

Also- I should point out that the 2008 Celtics went to 7 games in each of their first two playoff series before getting their playoff chops and killing in the ECF and the Finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 12, 2011, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 12, 2011, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Celtics lost it mentally. Was a sad sight. Even though they were competitive for 3 and a half quarters you just knew they were about to gas.

The Heat were able to continually drive to the rim on them. Them trading Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green will go down as one of the worst trades in Celtics history. No way would Lebron or Wade have had the balls to drive to the rim over and over like that if Perkins was there to meet them. Celtics gambled on Shaq staying healty and that was never likely. Of course it didn't help then that Rondo also got injured during the series. Celtics were just too banged up to compete with a younger team. Danny Ainge should be fired for the Perkins trade. Trading one of the best centres in the NBA for a guy who was basically cover for Pierce and Allen. This was probably the Celtics last chance of a title for a few years given their age profile and he decided to break up a winning team mid-season.
Agree!
Though who would have though Shaq would be out for 50 games? Still a horrible trade. Green is not the player people thought he could be....

I somewhat agree, but have to point out how terrible Perk has been so far in the playoffs for OKC. "One if the best centres in the NBA" is a major stretch, he's a strong role player.

Chicago in 6. If they beat ATL!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 12, 2011, 07:38:22 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on May 12, 2011, 07:10:21 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:45:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on May 12, 2011, 04:32:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 12, 2011, 04:20:37 PM
Celtics lost it mentally. Was a sad sight. Even though they were competitive for 3 and a half quarters you just knew they were about to gas.

The Heat were able to continually drive to the rim on them. Them trading Kendrick Perkins for Jeff Green will go down as one of the worst trades in Celtics history. No way would Lebron or Wade have had the balls to drive to the rim over and over like that if Perkins was there to meet them. Celtics gambled on Shaq staying healty and that was never likely. Of course it didn't help then that Rondo also got injured during the series. Celtics were just too banged up to compete with a younger team. Danny Ainge should be fired for the Perkins trade. Trading one of the best centres in the NBA for a guy who was basically cover for Pierce and Allen. This was probably the Celtics last chance of a title for a few years given their age profile and he decided to break up a winning team mid-season.
Agree!
Though who would have though Shaq would be out for 50 games? Still a horrible trade. Green is not the player people thought he could be....

I somewhat agree, but have to point out how terrible Perk has been so far in the playoffs for OKC. "One if the best centres in the NBA" is a major stretch, he's a strong role player.

Well fully healthy he is. Certainly defensively. Granted he's not really back anywhere near his best yet after the injury but given how little Green has offered it was still a terrible trade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on May 15, 2011, 10:53:21 PM
Chad Ochocinco tries Bullriding

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d81fd8b39/Ochocinco-s-ride-nearly-ends-Toro-bly

I guess he's done with NFL as no team would allow a potential player do that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 16, 2011, 12:13:24 AM
I noticed he had a try out with Kansas City too apparently he was quite good and made their reserves too. I'd say with such a potentially poor WR free agent Market he will probably end up somewhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on May 16, 2011, 09:02:05 AM
Bulls very comfortable last night.  :-[ Still go for Miami in 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 16, 2011, 02:10:51 PM
Quote from: RMDrive on May 16, 2011, 09:02:05 AM
Bulls very comfortable last night.  :-[ Still go for Miami in 6.

Loved every minute of that last night. Miami need to man up something terrible. They were out thought and out fought by the Bulls. Chicago still MUST win game 2 to win this series though.

Miami will now have to guard Rose using Wade, which will wear him down, and they must defend chicago's pick and roll better, specifically the pick and pop to Boozer, or whoever the shooting guard is. They'll also have to commit more players to defensive boards, which will slow their transition offense. It's also very clear that Chicago's D is a level or two above both their own, and that which Mismi faced against Boston.

This could be a cracking series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 16, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
Last night was fantastic. Chicago out played Miami everywhere. I haven't watched the Bulls that much this year but they have some real athletes and are a joy to watch as a team that really work hard together.... can't wait for game 2!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on May 18, 2011, 03:39:46 PM
Dirk last night:

"Niemand auf Ihrer dummen Mannschaft kann mich schützen!"

Absolutely unstoppable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 25, 2011, 02:16:25 PM
So Miami and Dallas look to be home and dry.  Le bron put on a show last night both on attack and in defending Rose in fourth quarter.  Bosh has proved me wrong with his performances the last few games, has probably been the Heats second best player behind Lebron.  Wade was poor but come up with a couple of great blocks late on.  Bulls looked very tired last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 25, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 25, 2011, 02:16:25 PM
So Miami and Dallas look to be home and dry.  Le bron put on a show last night both on attack and in defending Rose in fourth quarter.  Bosh has proved me wrong with his performances the last few games, has probably been the Heats second best player behind Lebron.  Wade was poor but come up with a couple of great blocks late on.  Bulls looked very tired last night.

Bulls don't really have that 2nd star player to help out Rose. Boozer and Deng have contributed but neither of them are anywhere near as good as either Lebron or Wade. And even Bosh has played pretty well this series. Last night Lebron was the main man for most of the game and while Wade didn't have a good game he came through in OT to win the game for them really. Bulls still too reliant on their defence and Rose to score heavily for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 25, 2011, 07:25:31 PM
Nice beats that Lebron was sporting last night.  I know New Devil is a big fan of his, so was wondering if he knew were i could get myself a pair just like these?
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg619/scaled.php?tn=0&server=619&filename=ykjaen.jpg&xsize=480&ysize=480)
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg614/scaled.php?tn=0&server=614&filename=o2pjj.jpg&xsize=480&ysize=480)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 25, 2011, 10:54:43 PM
Maybe at LoyaltyMyA$$.com.  Sorry, Carmen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on May 27, 2011, 02:40:08 PM
So Heat v Mavericks in final then. Heat 4-2
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on June 08, 2011, 05:36:29 PM
Great NBA final tied on 2-2 after Dallas pull the win out of the bag last night. with the last two games in Miami they will have to win the 5th game to stand a chance of winning the title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 08, 2011, 08:42:01 PM
The Heatles are toying with Dallas, James was shocking in game 4 and he had to balls to gather 'his team' around him before the game and give them a lecture, he spoke at length about giving your all blah blah blah and then went on to have the least points he has ever scored in a game, 8 points and they still only lost by three.

I would love to see Dallas win the series but it aint happening.

The brewers are going gangbusters and I would love to see them in the world series against the red sox. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2011, 09:00:50 PM
That's the way Heat have been playing all season! one of big three Wade,Bosh,Lebron has a off game, i can't remember all three playing well on one night?

For me Dirk Nowitzki has been the star of the final so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 08, 2011, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 08, 2011, 09:00:50 PM
For me Dirk Nowitzki has been the star of the final so far.

Maybe of the play-offs as a whole but Dwyane Wade has been the best player in the finals themselves so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 09, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/american-football-when-you-damage-your-brain-you-lose-your-personality-2293550.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/american-football-when-you-damage-your-brain-you-lose-your-personality-2293550.html)

Scary stuff - Wonder if in a few years we'll see something similar with Rugby?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Blowitupref on June 10, 2011, 04:46:24 AM
Another big win for the Mavericks! it's all set up nicely as they head to Miami now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 02:37:58 PM
Interesting series, have enjoyed it for the most part and hope to see Dirk and the Mavs finish this in Miami.
The only thing I am not crazy about is it always seems the game hinges on the Heat. The either win or lose. It's not really about how good the Mavs are but whether or not the Heat can play like they can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 10, 2011, 03:54:46 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 02:37:58 PM
Interesting series, have enjoyed it for the most part and hope to see Dirk and the Mavs finish this in Miami.
The only thing I am not crazy about is it always seems the game hinges on the Heat. The either win or lose. It's not really about how good the Mavs are but whether or not the Heat can play like they can.

You kidding right? Do you think the Mavs have played to the level they are capable all through the series? What excuses are you going to offer up for Miami no playing "like they can"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 04:14:14 PM
Hold on, I'm not a heat fan at all and I'm defending them just so we're clear.
LeBron hasn't been consistent. Neither he or Wade has really grabbed this series or team and led like they can/should.

All I am saying is that I just get that feeling that if the Heat turned it on they would win this again......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 10, 2011, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 04:14:14 PM
Hold on, I'm not a heat fan at all and I'm defending them just so we're clear.
LeBron hasn't been consistent. Neither he or Wade has really grabbed this series or team and led like they can/should.

All I am saying is that I just get that feeling that if the Heat turned it on they would win this again......

Nah. As a Donegal man I could pull that "if we played like we could we could beat anyone" stuff. But you play as well as you are able to and as well as you are allowed to. Look at the defence the Mavs are playingin the last 5 minutes of games - against the heat and against Oklahoma. The opposition is reduced to firing up off balance contested threes. The reality is that the Mavs have the belief and the toughness to compete in tight games. Wade and Lebron have grabbed the series as well as they can. Of course they could have played better but so could the Mavs. There's not a game that occures where you couldn't point out ways that a team could have played better.
Anyway Miami are going back home for the last 2 games and they have a great chance to close it out. Hope the last 1/2 games are as good as the first 5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 11, 2011, 11:23:29 AM
Red Sox are beginning to hit form,think it's 7 straight wins and after sweeping the Yankees again they are now 8-1 against New York this season :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on June 11, 2011, 12:38:33 PM
Quote from: Declan on June 09, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/american-football-when-you-damage-your-brain-you-lose-your-personality-2293550.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/american-football-when-you-damage-your-brain-you-lose-your-personality-2293550.html)

Scary stuff - Wonder if in a few years we'll see something similar with Rugby?

Scary stuff alright.  I don't understand why helmet to helmet hits are not cut out of the game totally.  Thankfully it seems huge strides have been taken over the last few years when it comes to safety in both American Football and even wrestling.  Two areas where concussions regularly occurred.  I don't know much about Rugby.  But when reading some articles on the papers here you often read about the big hits players have taken or that so and so is recovering from a concussion.  But you rarely hear of any talk about the dangers of brain injuries or concussions when it comes to Rugby which I find deeply worrying.  Over the last few years the danger of concussions and hits to the head have become a major concern in America but on this side of the Atlantic we don't seem to take it as seriously.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 11, 2011, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on June 11, 2011, 11:23:29 AM
Red Sox are beginning to hit form,think it's 7 straight wins and after sweeping the Yankees again they are now 8-1 against New York this season :o

The Sox will be very hard to stop if their pitching holds up. They have the most talented batting line-up in baseball but their pitching rotation can be wobbly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Forever Green on June 12, 2011, 02:17:28 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 10, 2011, 02:37:58 PM
Interesting series, have enjoyed it for the most part and hope to see Dirk and the Mavs finish this in Miami.
The only thing I am not crazy about is it always seems the game hinges on the Heat. The either win or lose. It's not really about how good the Mavs are but whether or not the Heat can play like they can.

I would agree with that. Even with their big players, the Heat seem to crack under the pressure in the 4th quarter and hand the game to Dallas. Dallas are great team but Heat should have had it wrapped up by now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on June 13, 2011, 03:41:33 AM
Mavericks are the NBA champs! great finals Dallas worthy winners & it was well worth staying up for.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Blowitupref on June 13, 2011, 03:50:14 AM
Yes Mavericks did it fair play to them! Dirk Nowitzki MVP of the finals no doubt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: fearbrags on June 13, 2011, 05:48:49 AM
Great day/night  Ros in the connaught final And  Dallas mavs are the  NBA champs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 13, 2011, 09:15:18 AM
Brilliant stuff. Delighted for Rick Carlisle and the Mavs. Jason Kidd and Dirk are well deserving of their championship.

As I saw on twitter this morning ...
The Heat season was summed up perfectly by their coach Eric Spoelstra "It's a lot easier said than done."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Offalylad on June 13, 2011, 11:44:00 AM
Now for the important business of sorting out the NFL lockout...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on June 13, 2011, 11:49:57 AM
And the NBA one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 14, 2011, 12:31:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hx7uG.png)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmqd7u613W1qzma4ho1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on June 28, 2011, 05:21:07 PM
Cleveland Pathetically Celebrates Greatest Sports Moment In City's History (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/cleveland-pathetically-celebrates-greatest-sports,20819/?utm_source=recentnews)

CLEVELAND—As the Dallas Mavericks sealed their NBA Finals victory over LeBron James and the Miami Heat Sunday night, the citizens of Cleveland participated in a joyous, exuberant, and extremely pathetic celebration of their city's greatest-ever sports moment.

"When I saw there were just two minutes left on the clock and there was no way LeBron could turn it around, I admit it—I started crying for pure joy," said emotionally misguided Cavaliers fan Randall Peterman, who watched the game on a huge projector screen in Gateway Plaza alongside thousands of other jubilant fans, all of whom seemed unaware that their feelings of triumph-by-proxy revealed deep flaws in their outlook not only on sports, but on life as a whole. "I am more proud of my hometown tonight than I have ever been."

"This one's for the whole city [of Cleveland]," added Peterman, by all indications unaware of the shamefully absurd implications of appropriating another city's sports championship for one's own out of overblown, inarticulate feelings of betrayal. "Let's go Mavs! Let's go Mavs!"

Across the city, in bars and at Finals-watching parties, Cleveland sports fans erupted in a psychologically stunted caricature of joy at the sight of James, their former hero, slumped over in defeat. The celebration reportedly grew even sadder as Cleveland fans began referring to the Dallas team as the "Mavaliers," and became almost impossible to bear after the erection of a billboard on Ohio's Interstate 480 that said, "Congratulations, Mavericks."

As of press time, no Cleveland resident has apologized for acting like an immature child.

"Eleven months ago, when that classless jerk had his TV special to announce he was taking his talent to South Beach, I swore I would cheer against him for the rest of my life," said bartender Michelle Vlasik, who seemed unaware that her response to James' move was at least as juvenile and self-defeating as anything James himself had done. "Ask anyone here tonight and they'll tell you they feel the same way."

"This completely makes up for Jordan's shot over Ehlo," Vlasic added in reference to a basketball game that actually involved the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Sources confirmed official responses from the Cleveland area have been just as spiritually bereft. Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert, who had expected James to bring his team a championship, issued a statement that read, "This proves there are no shortcuts—none," as if the hard work put in by Dallas had been that of his own struggling organization. Moreover, Ohio governor John Kasich named the Mavericks honorary Ohioans with the issuing of a resolution as self-defeating as it was nonbinding.

"You have no idea how good it feels to be a Cleveland sports fan right now," said Gov. Kasich, to all appearances unaware of how condemning his statement was for a city that is home to three major sports franchises, none of which are directly responsible for the joy currently being experienced by said fans. "The people of Cleveland [seriously need to grow up and just get the f**k over it already]."

Though it has been five days since Dallas won the championship, fans across Cleveland have continued to react the way people would if their own team had won. Sales of merchandise for the Mavericks, a franchise located 1,000 miles away, is outselling Cavaliers apparel throughout Ohio. In addition, local hospitals have announced the birth of several baby boys named Dirk, and even a baby girl named Nowitzkee—all named after a man who has played basketball in the city of Cleveland maybe 20 times in his career, always on the opposing team.

Reports also indicated that grown men and women, unaware of what their bitter, shriveled souls have been reduced to, continued to high-five their coworkers at the mere mention of a young man losing a basketball championship.

"This is what Cleveland fans have been waiting for," Peterman said in a statement that is just jaw-droppingly sad. "We wouldn't have been able to bear the idea of LeBron winning a championship somewhere else, because that would mean he was right to leave Cleveland. And if this celebration proves anything, it's that he definitely made a mistake."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 28, 2011, 05:30:58 PM
Deiseach, what's the source of this article?

It's so over the top, petulant even, that it's got to be satire.

No Cleveland fanwould possibly consider Dallas's win Cleveland's greatest sporting moment, no more than a Waterford fan would think a Kilkenny defeat Waterford's finest moment.

If I had to choose a Cleveland moment, I'd have to go back in time, for sure, but maybe I'd pick the Browns over the Baltimore Colts in 1964 or the Indians' 1948 World Series win, or maybe even Cleveland's own Jesse Owens in the '36 Olympics.

But certainly not a Dallas anything (except perhaps Colt McCoy taking the Browns to the Superbowl--ah, well, hope springs eternal in the heart of a Cleveland sports fan)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on June 28, 2011, 05:52:50 PM
Click on the link at the top of the article. NB it's a piss-take
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 28, 2011, 06:08:08 PM
Ah, ha, that's just what I was thinking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on June 28, 2011, 06:10:26 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 28, 2011, 06:08:08 PM
Ah, ha, that's just what I was thinking.

It had to be a satire. Didn't it? That's the genius of The Onion, in a country as big as America it's not hard to imagine there's someone out there who thinks like that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 09, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
Congrats to Derek Jeter on getting hit #3000 - on a home run to boot.

28th guy to hit 3000, one of 12 to have hit them with one team and the first Yankee to ever do it.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on July 10, 2011, 09:08:55 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 09, 2011, 09:07:42 PM
Congrats to Derek Jeter on getting hit #3000 - on a home run to boot.

28th guy to hit 3000, one of 12 to have hit them with one team and the first Yankee to ever do it.

cant abide the feckin yankees but he is one of the greatest ever players to wear the pinstripes.hall of famer fo shure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 10, 2011, 11:18:52 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what is the big deal in being the 28th guy to do something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on July 10, 2011, 11:26:05 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 10, 2011, 11:18:52 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what is the big deal in being the 28th guy to do something.

1st Yankee?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 11, 2011, 09:37:24 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 10, 2011, 11:18:52 PM
Pardon my ignorance but what is the big deal in being the 28th guy to do something.

3,000 hits is one of the big career marks for a pro baseball hitter. It speaks to longevity and consistent production. You say what's the big deal in being the 28th guy to do something, but as of last year there have been over 17,200 people to play in pro baseball (in the majors). To be 28th, and the first Yankee, is a notable achievement. If you are a baseball fan, then scanning down through the list of names gives an indication of the type of player that joins the 3,000 club.

Roberto Clemente
Wade Boggs
Craig Biggio
Tony Gwynn
Cal Ripken Jr
Willie Mays
Honus Wagner
Cap Anson
Stan Musial
Hank Aaron
Ty Cobb
Pete Rose

and others.


Also conspicuous are the people missing from the list....

Babe Ruth
Joe DiMaggio
Ted Williams
Sammy Sosa
Mark McGwire
Barry Bonds etc etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 22, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
The NFL lockout might be over tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on July 22, 2011, 12:54:14 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 22, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
The NFL lockout might be over tonight.

Looks like the HOF game is the only thing cancelled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 22, 2011, 01:02:23 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on July 22, 2011, 12:54:14 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 22, 2011, 12:16:36 AM
The NFL lockout might be over tonight.

Looks like the HOF game is the only thing cancelled.

It won't be missed. The owners have voted to ratify the new CBA deal now it is up to the players to vote and recertify the union to end the lockout. A formality I hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 25, 2011, 07:48:06 PM
Lockout is over  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on July 25, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2011, 07:48:06 PM
Lockout is over  ;D
I felt like dancing like the kid in your avatar when I heard the news...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 25, 2011, 09:06:28 PM
Looks like the gaa board NFL fantasy football league is going to happen again.

The first of the main free agent signings should be getting announced at 11pm friday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 25, 2011, 09:12:09 PM
Looking like another "Favre watch" may be starting too...............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on July 25, 2011, 09:18:52 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 25, 2011, 09:06:28 PM
Looks like the gaa board NFL fantasy football league is going to happen again.

Once the players and owners found out it was under threat, a deal was inevitable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on July 25, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2011, 09:12:09 PM
Looking like another "Favre watch" may be starting too...............

Say it ain't so
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 25, 2011, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: deiseach on July 25, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 25, 2011, 09:12:09 PM
Looking like another "Favre watch" may be starting too...............

Say it ain't so
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d820f5478/article/more-favre-comeback-talk-is-speculation-his-agent-says?module=HP11_headline_stack
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 25, 2011, 09:26:28 PM
The teams will be preparing at a much restricted time now coming up to the new season. I think we might see a few bumpy starts. Rookie quarter backs are going to struggle more than usual
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on July 25, 2011, 11:00:50 PM
Burt Favrey will not be playing again, this story is a non starter, of course his agent can neither confirm nor deny the story.

He can still play and who knoes, the man loves the limelight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 25, 2011, 11:27:53 PM
There are better options that will come cheaper and younger than Favre for teams that need stop gap QB's this season. After his production last season it would be a joke if anyone signed Favre.

Great that common sense prevailed. Looking forward to the new season and hopefully getting to see da Bears in Wembley! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on July 28, 2011, 02:48:48 PM
My favourite piece on American sports explained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_yq4L3M_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om_yq4L3M_I)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 28, 2011, 09:06:43 PM
Albert Hainesworth joins the Patriots.

Surprising but I think they will be smart enough to play him in his preferred position.

Redskins seem to be one of the worst run teams at the moment.

They also sent McNabb to Minnesota if I;m not mistaken.

Randy Moss to move to the Jets after all that time in New England is a surprise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on July 29, 2011, 10:50:45 AM
Pats have picked up Chad Ochocinco too.
Redskins get a 2013 5th round pick for Haynesworth.What a bust he turned out to be.
As expected Kevin Kolb goes to Arizona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 29, 2011, 03:31:45 PM
Some interesting stuff going on. Ochocinco to the Patriots is my fav so far!

Bears have been doing a bit. TE merry go round as follows: traded Greg Olsen for a 3rd round pick and got rid of blocking tight end Manumaleuna as he failed his medical. Brought in Spaeth from Pittsburgh. Unlike a lot of Bears fans I'm happy with this. Olsen is a top pass catcher but not a good blocker so teams knew when he lined up he was a pass target. Spaeth, though not as good a pass catcher as Olsen is decent in that regard and is a good blocker so can do both jobs. Also, Roy Williams who they got too is better than any of the exisiting WR's there and is a good red zone target, an area the Bears struggled badly with last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 29, 2011, 04:18:02 PM
Looks like the Nhamdi Asomugha sweepstakes are down to the Jets and Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on July 29, 2011, 04:19:55 PM
Old man Randy Moss! Where will he end up?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Offalylad on July 29, 2011, 04:35:44 PM
Pats keeping up with their reputation of taking in the problem children of the Nfl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on July 29, 2011, 04:36:56 PM
Their coach is the only one who can handle these guys....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on July 29, 2011, 04:37:42 PM
Vince Young has signed a 1 year deal in Philly.
Thought the Redskins would have tried to get Young.He's not great but would be better than Rex Grossman or John Beck.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on July 29, 2011, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 29, 2011, 03:31:45 PM
Some interesting stuff going on. Ochocinco to the Patriots is my fav so far!

Bears have been doing a bit. TE merry go round as follows: traded Greg Olsen for a 3rd round pick and got rid of blocking tight end Manumaleuna as he failed his medical. Brought in Spaeth from Pittsburgh. Unlike a lot of Bears fans I'm happy with this. Olsen is a top pass catcher but not a good blocker so teams knew when he lined up he was a pass target. Spaeth, though not as good a pass catcher as Olsen is decent in that regard and is a good blocker so can do both jobs. Also, Roy Williams who they got too is better than any of the exisiting WR's there and is a good red zone target, an area the Bears struggled badly with last season.
The hoody played a blinder in this one, Chad Ocho loves the limelight but he is a solid citizen and incredible athlete who comes to win every time. Haynesworth is a lazy bum who is blessed with incredible talent and cursed with a lack of character, he will be on a short lease. The Pats and the Packers in the Superbowl baby, ye heard it here first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 29, 2011, 10:23:23 PM
Agree on those Patriots ones. Think Ochocinco will do well there. With their organisaion and Tom Brady under centre its a great opportunity for him. Haynesworth will prove useful or he will be soon gone, I'm betting on the former.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 29, 2011, 10:33:14 PM
Ochocinco gets treated pretty harshly i think, ok he is a gobshite but he is never in any off field bother, unlike quite a few NFL players. He is always in tremendous shape, so obviously looks after himself & will be a good pickup in Fantasy leagues.

Haynesworth is just lazy and is the latest in a long line of players that stopped trying when they got a massive contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 29, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 29, 2011, 04:18:02 PM
Looks like the Nhamdi Asomugha sweepstakes are down to the Jets and Cowboys.

Jets are out  :o

How 'bout them Cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 29, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 29, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 29, 2011, 04:18:02 PM
Looks like the Nhamdi Asomugha sweepstakes are down to the Jets and Cowboys.

Jets are out  :o

How 'bout them Cowboys

Y'know in a perverse sort of way I was hoping the jets would get him. I think Brady and Belichik vs that pass defense would have been compelling viewing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 29, 2011, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on July 29, 2011, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 29, 2011, 10:58:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 29, 2011, 04:18:02 PM
Looks like the Nhamdi Asomugha sweepstakes are down to the Jets and Cowboys.

Jets are out  :o

How 'bout them Cowboys

Y'know in a perverse sort of way I was hoping the jets would get him. I think Brady and Belichik vs that pass defense would have been compelling viewing.

There would have been a lot of catches for the Pats tight ends ! Was watching NFL Network earlier and Marshall Faulk or Warren Sapp reckoned it may not have worked because Revis would play either corner, basically following the No1 receiver and Asomugha always stayed in the same corner. I reckon he is going to the Cowboys because they were offering the biggest contract !

Cowboys now out too !

Eagles they reckon
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 29, 2011, 11:18:46 PM
Confirmed to Eagles.

5 yrs $60m - $25m guranteed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 29, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
Wow. And they got DRC from the Cards. Going to be hard to pass on the Eagles this year. TEs and slot receivers who play against the eagles a lot might be good fantasy value.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 30, 2011, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 29, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
Wow. And they got DRC from the Cards. Going to be hard to pass on the Eagles this year. TEs and slot receivers who play against the eagles a lot might be good fantasy value.

Surely Philly now looks to deal Asante Samuels.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 30, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
I disagreed with the Jets going after Nnamdi and filling their roster with expensive defensive backs. Same goes for the Eagles. I think they would have done better chasing a receiver in free agency. I feel Nnamdi would have been better off going to the Texans where he would have got a lot of credit for helping to turn around the worst pass defense in football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on July 30, 2011, 12:26:47 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 30, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
I disagreed with the Jets going after Nnamdi and filling their roster with expensive defensive backs. Same goes for the Eagles. I think they would have done better chasing a receiver in free agency. I feel Nnamdi would have been better off going to the Texans where he would have got a lot of credit for helping to turn around the worst pass defense in football.

Thats just it though... I dont think he would have. They'd still be a soft football team. They're too soft up front and at corner, and their safeties cant cover.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 30, 2011, 12:31:22 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on July 30, 2011, 12:26:47 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 30, 2011, 12:23:43 AM
I disagreed with the Jets going after Nnamdi and filling their roster with expensive defensive backs. Same goes for the Eagles. I think they would have done better chasing a receiver in free agency. I feel Nnamdi would have been better off going to the Texans where he would have got a lot of credit for helping to turn around the worst pass defense in football.

Thats just it though... I dont think he would have. They'd still be a soft football team. They're too soft up front and at corner, and their safeties cant cover.

When the Texans signed Jonathan Joseph they were probably done with trying to get Nnamdi, they have fairly upgraded with Joseph & Daniel Manning though.

Jets bust Vernon Gholston is now a Bear.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 31, 2011, 12:09:12 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on July 30, 2011, 12:19:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 29, 2011, 11:25:39 PM
Wow. And they got DRC from the Cards. Going to be hard to pass on the Eagles this year. TEs and slot receivers who play against the eagles a lot might be good fantasy value.

Surely Philly now looks to deal Asante Samuels.

You'd think so, but they say not  ::) They're making some moves. Vince Young there now as backup as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2011, 08:06:34 AM
The Eagles brought in Cullen Jenkins as well. They have invested heavily on defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 31, 2011, 09:13:33 AM
Peyton Manning got a $90m 5 year deal with the Colts. I thought he said earlier he would take a pay cut to allow more cap room.

Maybe $90m is a pay cut.  ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2011, 10:29:13 AM
Quote from: thejuice on July 31, 2011, 09:13:33 AM
Peyton Manning got a $90m 5 year deal with the Colts. I thought he said earlier he would take a pay cut to allow more cap room.

Maybe $90m is a pay cut.  ???

Great politics there from Peyton Manning saying something like that while walking off with all the loot. He would make a great politician I would say the deal was already negotiated when he said that. He was just softening the blow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 31, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
Marion Barber to the Bears. Does this mean Chester Taylor will be ejected or what will they do? Give Barber the short yardage and goaline downs that Taylor couldn't covert last year? Fecks up Forst's fantasy value a lot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 31, 2011, 10:33:55 PM
That is a good point about Forte. Barber has the ability to prosper in Chicago if given the chance which would spoil Fortes fantasy value.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 01, 2011, 01:10:48 PM
I had Forte last year on my Fantasy team and was cracking up when they gave goal line carries to Chester Taylor (all the more so when he didn't get in!!).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on August 01, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
I'm very excited about the '11 season. All these trades and bolstering up of teams should make for a great season with some very intriguing matchups.
Tri State teams all look strong........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 01, 2011, 06:20:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 31, 2011, 10:33:55 PM
That is a good point about Forte. Barber has the ability to prosper in Chicago if given the chance which would spoil Fortes fantasy value.

Capt, you are correct that Forte's value will drop, look for a RBBC situation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 01, 2011, 06:22:19 PM
Breaking news on NFL TV

WR Randy Moss RETIRES!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Offalylad on August 01, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
Pity. When his head was right, he was by a mile the best receiver in the league in recent years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 01, 2011, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on August 01, 2011, 03:31:09 PM
I'm very excited about the '11 season. All these trades and bolstering up of teams should make for a great season with some very intriguing matchups.
Tri State teams all look strong........

Big matchup week 5 NYJ VS NE     new improved D vs Brady will be classic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 01, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
I was surprised how quick the Pats got rid of Moss. I didn't think his production was down or anything like that. Shame for him to retire without a Superbowl but at least he got to play in one. When he moved to the Raiders a few years back I actually felt sad. No man with as much talent deserves to play for the Raiders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 01, 2011, 10:42:23 AM
Just ordered my tickets for Wembley.  Anyone else heading to the London game this year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 01, 2011, 12:30:19 PM
OK lads- picks... I reserve the right to change these before next Thursday in case anything mad happens:

AFC

East- Pats
West- Chargers
North- Pittsburgh
South- Houston (Almost totally dependent on Peyton's neck, I'm assumin he isn't going to be 100% until week 5 or so)

Wild Cards- Indianapolis, coin toss between Baltimore and the Jets.

NFC

East- Dallas- Philly coin toss
West- St. Louis- after a very bad start.
North- Green Bay
South- New Orleans

Wild cards- Atlanta, Dallas- I'd love to see Detroit make it but there seems to be bad injury mojo there.

AFC Final- Pats over Pittsburgh
NFC Final- Saints over Green Bay

Superbowl- Pats by a whisker at the mo.

Of course the last bit could just be because I feel really good about San Diego and don't want to jinx them. I think both Rivers and Roethlisberger will have HUGE years.
West-
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 01, 2011, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 01, 2011, 12:30:19 PM
OK lads- picks... I reserve the right to change these before next Thursday in case anything mad happens:

AFC

East- Pats
West- Chargers
North- Pittsburgh
South- Houston (Almost totally dependent on Peyton's neck, I'm assumin he isn't going to be 100% until week 5 or so)

Wild Cards- Indianapolis, coin toss between Baltimore and the Jets.

NFC

East- Dallas- Philly coin toss
West- St. Louis- after a very bad start.
North- Green Bay
South- New Orleans

Wild cards- Atlanta, Dallas- I'd love to see Detroit make it but there seems to be bad injury mojo there.

AFC Final- Pats over Pittsburgh
NFC Final- Saints over Green Bay

Superbowl- Pats by a whisker at the mo.

Of course the last bit could just be because I feel really good about San Diego and don't want to jinx them. I think both Rivers and Roethlisberger will have HUGE years.
West-

Picking in the NFL is fraught with danger. Injuries can banjax everything, and teams can come from nowhere as well. However....


AFC East - J, E, T, S, JETS JETS JETS
AFC South - Colts
AFC North - Steelers
AFC West - Chargers

NFC East - Eagles
NFC South - Falcons
NFC North - The Pack is Back
NFC West - Arizona, behind a surprising running game.


Superbowl - Packers repeat over the Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 01, 2011, 03:27:15 PM
Did anyone else hear Rex Ryans request for someone, except the Jets for once, he says, to please beat the Patriots.   ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2011, 03:46:17 PM
I think I will go with

AFC
East Pats
West Chargers
North Steelers
South Texans/ Colts
Wildcard Texans/ Colts will get one and the Ravens.

NFC
East Eagles
West Cardinals. The Rams will be close.
North Packers
South Saints
Wild card Falcons and Vikings

The Jets don't make it as I don't fancy Sanchez and the Texans have a lot of big play making talent. I am a vikings fan and think our real level is a lot closer to 2009 12-4 than 2010 6-10. If the Packers have a post superbowl slump the Vikings could come out on top in a tight division.. The Cowboys are next in line.

Saints to beat the Pats in the superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2011, 07:18:13 PM
Chris Johnson has signed a four year 53.5 million dollar extension to his contract. He still has to play out the remaining 2 years at his rookie contract rates. Good news for those that have him on their fantasy teams. I got him at pick 9 in one of my leagues so things have played out well there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on September 01, 2011, 07:29:12 PM
Can't say I'm as clued up as some of you guys but I'm a Jets man. What's the craic, wildcard again or potential Division champs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 01, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
The Steelers are loaded for bear as are the patriots and Packers.

Rodgers is the best qb in the league this year I feel and I think the Pack will win back to back titles, i hope i am wrong and Brady takes the Pats back to superbowl champion status.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on September 01, 2011, 07:50:51 PM
Quote from: Boycey on September 01, 2011, 07:29:12 PM
Can't say I'm as clued up as some of you guys but I'm a Jets man. What's the craic, wildcard again or potential Division champs?
I think the Jets will have a good season once again. Defence hasn't lost anyone of note, will have Jim Leonard back, Cro will have a second year in the system.
On offence, Sanchez also a year older and improving steadily. Plax is a nice addition. A little worried about Greene and whether he can carry the workload all season, hopefully he can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 01, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
Found a good site on twitter @si_vault

A collection of old photos of American Sports. Brett Favre on draft day.

(https://p.twimg.com/AYRoIjgCEAAwhWa.jpg)


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 02, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
I see Sky are incorporating Redzone into their coverage of the NFL season, red button I think. Be handy for those that don't have Gamepass that are watching a shite game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2011, 10:36:59 AM
Good stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on September 02, 2011, 12:17:44 PM
Rivers is going to have a huge year. Getting better every year. Bolts v Cheeseheads superbowl......hopefully!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 02, 2011, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 01, 2011, 08:28:54 PM
Found a good site on twitter @si_vault

A collection of old photos of American Sports. Brett Favre on draft day.

(https://p.twimg.com/AYRoIjgCEAAwhWa.jpg)

In 1991, the Atlanta Falcons drafted Brett Favre as the thirty-third overall pick. During his rookie season, he played in two games where he amassed a record of 5 passing attempts with 0 receptions and 2 interceptions. The following February, Favre was traded to the Green Bay Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 02, 2011, 02:20:13 PM
Jaysus talk about stereo typical trailer trash :D And he was drafted by the Georgia team as well :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 08, 2011, 04:55:16 PM
Tickets got today, flight booked a few weeks ago for SFA (people who give out about Ryanair really need to get a grip - sorry Muppet!) and accomodation sorted with a friend. Little did I know my first trip to Wembley would not be to see Manchester United!

Absolutely cannot wait to see da Bears! Gonna be a tough season for Chicago and their defense must play up to last seasons level or they're toast. Think the offense will be better (could hardly be much worse) but not a lot better. Needed a top rung WR but got a talented flake who can't beat out Johnny Knox for a start. Marion Barber (if he can stay fit) should help with the red zone/short yardage issues that Forte has and Taylor failed so abysmally to rectify. The o-line should be better (again, could it be any worse) so Forte should have a good season again (pay the guy, he deserves it). The key though as I said is the defense performing to the max. The secondary has always looked shaky but never/rarely gets torched but just how long can Briggs & Urlacher keep up their high levels? Peppers has better help on the d-line this season I think so they will continue to get the necessary pressure to make the Bear scheme work.

People write off the Bears very easily but they were very close to knocking the Pack out of the playoffs in the final game of the regular season and were one score away in the championship game as well. NFC North could be great tihs season (except for the vikes!). For all Cutler's faults he has a rocket arm and if he gets better protection he could have a good season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
Good stuff Seanie. Can't wait myself. I'm quietly hopeful for success in the desert as well. Playing in a piss poor division helps, but I'm hopeful Kolb can use the Cardinals great receiver, LArry Fitz, good receivers, Doucet, and good pass catching TE, Todd Heap, to at least make them a threat to score.

Patrick Peterson can be a great corner, but losing Toler through injury and DRC to the Kolb trade weakens them more than I'd like there. Running back might be OK, Beanie looks physical this year, but it's a pity Ryan Williams went out. Chester Taylor will have to contribute.

To get us in the mood....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuG-g7qK0k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwuG-g7qK0k)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 08, 2011, 05:49:10 PM
AZ what record do you think will win the NFC West this year? I think there could be a 9-7 in any of the teams apart from the Seahawks.

As for the niners last season almost everyone had them picked to win the west last year and look how that turned out. I think they will have a better season than last year and finish around 8-8.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 08, 2011, 06:41:03 PM
Does anyone know if Sky are using the Redzone feature this year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2011, 06:45:08 PM
Quote from: Galwaybhoy on September 08, 2011, 06:41:03 PM
Does anyone know if Sky are using the Redzone feature this year?

They are, on the red button  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 08, 2011, 07:04:32 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on September 08, 2011, 05:49:10 PM
AZ what record do you think will win the NFC West this year? I think there could be a 9-7 in any of the teams apart from the Seahawks.

As for the niners last season almost everyone had them picked to win the west last year and look how that turned out. I think they will have a better season than last year and finish around 8-8.

They all look to have tough schedules in that division this year. I don't think there will be an 11-5 or a wild card team there. The local rivalry match ups between the teams in that division will be the most important. I can see the 49ers bouncing back. However I think Fitzgerald and Kolb will win it for the Cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2011, 07:42:08 PM
All the teams will be trying to do this in week 1.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAlrzcdfRY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 08, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
Maning had neck surgery today: Possibly gone for the year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-surgery-neck-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-surgery-neck-sources-say)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2011, 08:52:57 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 08, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
Maning had neck surgery today: Possibly gone for the year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-surgery-neck-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6944302/indianapolis-colts-peyton-manning-surgery-neck-sources-say)

Out 2-3 months at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2011, 09:28:40 PM
Told you that Irsay is a liar. I know,I know he hadn't had it *then* but they knew he was having it. I heard Bill Polian on ESPN thismorning spinning the same line. Could work out great for the Horseshoes in the long run though. If they are brutal, they might get Andrew Luck, how will come in, learn under Manning for 2-3 years and they have another franchise QB.

Worrying for Manning personally though, his brother had to stop playing sports due to a congenital condition in his spine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 08, 2011, 11:32:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 08, 2011, 09:28:40 PM
Told you that Irsay is a liar. I know,I know he hadn't had it *then* but they knew he was having it. I heard Bill Polian on ESPN thismorning spinning the same line. Could work out great for the Horseshoes in the long run though. If they are brutal, they might get Andrew Luck, how will come in, learn under Manning for 2-3 years and they have another franchise QB.

Worrying for Manning personally though, his brother had to stop playing sports due to a congenital condition in his spine.

I'd say he'll be gone for the season. It's the '97 Spurs all over again (for all you hoops fans). The colts aren't gonna be great anyway. If they tank early, which I think they will, they'll place Manning on IR, get him healthy for next year and pick high up in the draft, which is something they desperately need, as their last few draft classes have stunk.

Also, this makes for pretty jaw dropping reading, especially if he does at some stage end up on IR:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/08/manning-got-his-new-deal-without-having-to-pass-a-physical/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 09, 2011, 09:45:54 AM
Bit of a dull game to start off with!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 10, 2011, 08:51:48 AM
Looked like a good opener. Packers look to have kept momentum going. Didn't realize Reggie Bush was traded.

Anyone have Randall Cobb on their fantasy team? Some debut game to have as a rookie.

Saints look decent enough. Falcons will have a tough time holding onto the NFC South.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 11, 2011, 03:35:21 AM
Some fantastic NCAA football games today

Too bad Toledo lost in the last minutes against Ohio State, buckeyes look vulnerable this year.

Game of the day South Carolina Gamecocks vs Georgia Bulldogs 45-42.....Go Cocks.

Michigan vs Notre Dame sets new attendance record 114,804  ND up 24-7 late in the 3rd quarter.


NFL
Adrian Peterson signs new contract with Vikings $100 million over 7 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 11, 2011, 05:47:28 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 11, 2011, 03:35:21 AMMichigan vs Notre Dame sets new attendance record 114,804  ND up 24-7 late in the 3rd quarter.

Some collapse by the Irish  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 11, 2011, 06:11:15 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 11, 2011, 05:47:28 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 11, 2011, 03:35:21 AMMichigan vs Notre Dame sets new attendance record 114,804  ND up 24-7 late in the 3rd quarter.

Some collapse by the Irish  :D

I have seen better Defense by the French in WWII.
Irish DB's have no f$^cking idea how to find a ball in the air.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2011, 05:56:38 PM
Just saw Devin Hestor there on the Sky Sports interview wearing a Diamondbacks cap. Good man Hestor :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
Good streams - http://www.therealsportz.net/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 11, 2011, 10:31:22 PM
damn it falcons  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 11, 2011, 10:57:10 PM
The Vikings are ten up on the chargers at the half after the other nfc north teams all had good wins. The Beats over the falcons and the lions over the Bucs on the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Chargers really struggling. Have a sinking feeling that they're following the Tyrone/Arsenal demise of 2011.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 11, 2011, 11:01:48 PM
For f**k sake San Diego.

Also, I have Eric Berry and Nate Kaeding in the ould fantasy team- both hurt. I picked either KC or Cleveland in eliminator, and my picks are all over the place.

Great first weekend!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 11, 2011, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:00:49 PM
Chargers really struggling. Have a sinking feeling that they're following the Tyrone/Arsenal demise of 2011.

Maybe we spoke too soon. Tolbert great in that series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:09:00 PM
Like last year the opposition seem to be able to make 70 yard runs untouched though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:21:44 PM
Rivers has thrown some balls of dung tonight. Then he starts twisting with Turner. All is not well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:59:16 PM
Tolbert the man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 12, 2011, 12:28:23 AM
Ted Ginn 102 yard TD  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on September 12, 2011, 12:31:56 AM
Make that 2 TD for Ginn 55 yard punt return. Great start to the season for the niners  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 12, 2011, 12:47:28 AM
The pride of Cleveland Glenville High School ("The Tarblooders") and Ohio State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 12, 2011, 04:50:42 AM
Dallas crumble in the fourth.  Jets had been poor all night but got fortunate with a punt block returned for touchdown.  Massive 50yard kick from Folk to win it.  Good start for Jets considering how poor they played especially early on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 12, 2011, 04:55:26 AM
Burress had a good game aswell.  Had a big hand in Jets getting back into it, TD included.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 12, 2011, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:21:44 PM
Rivers has thrown some balls of dung tonight. Then he starts twisting with Turner. All is not well.

If San Diego end up getting 12, 13 wins this year Rivers is MVP. He was out of sync early, but there's no doubt who leads that team.

No Superbowl this year will be the end of Norv.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on September 12, 2011, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 12, 2011, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2011, 11:21:44 PM
Rivers has thrown some balls of dung tonight. Then he starts twisting with Turner. All is not well.

If San Diego end up getting 12, 13 wins this year Rivers is MVP. He was out of sync early, but there's no doubt who leads that team.

No Superbowl this year will be the end of Norv.
Special teams balls up again ffs. Tolbert adds much needed physicality. Kaeding is a big loss, can't see schrifes taking over though. Could do with Matthews have a good season too. Norv should have bit the bullet 2 years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 12, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
How about Cam Newton. 422yds on his debut. Even if they lost that is really really impressive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 12, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 12, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
How about Cam Newton. 422yds on his debut. Even if they lost that is really really impressive.

they were saying it was the most passing yards ever by a rookie in their debut match the previous best was peyton manning
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 12, 2011, 10:16:25 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on September 12, 2011, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 12, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
How about Cam Newton. 422yds on his debut. Even if they lost that is really really impressive.

they were saying it was the most passing yards ever by a rookie in their debut match the previous best was peyton manning

It was unreal. Very frustrating listening/watching it. Fecking Cardinals secondary got torched, again. And again. And again. But the Cards kept coming back with Kolb, who was very good too. With the mess at QB last year Cardinals would have lost that game by a mile.

The Cards schedule is very tough this year, as is all of the NFC west teams. 7-9 could win it again this year! One thing for sure, if the Cardinals Defense plays like that against the truly good teams, watch out. Michael Vick could pass for 700 yards against them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 13, 2011, 12:11:28 AM
Breaking news on Monday Night Football:

Fergie is HAWT!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 13, 2011, 12:37:30 AM
Eric Berry safety of the Chiefs is out for the year with an ACL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 13, 2011, 03:11:56 AM
Tom Brady is just a stud.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 13, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 13, 2011, 03:11:56 AM
Tom Brady is just a stud.

Every year on my fantasy team I try to make sure I have s couple players who are fun to own and root for, players that do mental things now and again. Brady was one of them for me last year.

This year it's Welker, Gates, and maybe Le Sean McCoy.

Others from the past have included LT, Andre Johnston, Peterson, Moss... I especially liked Johnston. I remember him catching like a 45 odd yard pass with three lads hanging off him and dragging the three of them into the end zone. Such a beast.

Welker's 99-yarder last night was one of those moments.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 13, 2011, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 13, 2011, 03:11:56 AM
Tom Brady is just a stud.

(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmlafpSHte1qg8f0jo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2011, 11:30:53 AM
Sebastian Janikowski, the Raiders kicker, kicked a 63 yard field goal last night in Denver :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 13, 2011, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 13, 2011, 11:30:53 AM
Sebastian Janikowski, the Raiders kicker, kicked a 63 yard field goal last night in Denver :D

I see he said he kicked a 70 yarder in the pre-game!!

Winning start for the Raiders anyway, could will be a long season though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 13, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 13, 2011, 12:24:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 13, 2011, 11:30:53 AM
Sebastian Janikowski, the Raiders kicker, kicked a 63 yard field goal last night in Denver :D

I see he said he kicked a 70 yarder in the pre-game!!

Winning start for the Raiders anyway, could will be a long season though

He's powerful fond of the aul date rape drug too. first class cnut.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 13, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 13, 2011, 11:30:53 AM
Sebastian Janikowski, the Raiders kicker, kicked a 63 yard field goal last night in Denver :D

Hes a fat hewer with some boot on him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 13, 2011, 06:23:11 PM
He's been arrested about 4 times, mostly for getting drunk and doing something stupid. He's definitely a Raider.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 16, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
A group of Denver fans spend $10,000 on billboards demanding Tebow starts.  Crazy boys, not exactly helping the situation nor will it be any help to the probably already low confidence of Orton and the rest of the Offense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 18, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
I haven't bought Gamepass yet- so I'll be on the lookout for a good stream for the San Diego New England game if anyone can help me out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 18, 2011, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 18, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
I haven't bought Gamepass yet- so I'll be on the lookout for a good stream for the San Diego New England game if anyone can help me out.

Free trial this weekend McGrens. You just need to cancel after tonight's game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 18, 2011, 06:48:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 18, 2011, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on September 18, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
I haven't bought Gamepass yet- so I'll be on the lookout for a good stream for the San Diego New England game if anyone can help me out.

Free trial this weekend McGrens. You just need to cancel after tonight's game.

Splendid!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 18, 2011, 09:35:40 PM
For Fuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkssssssssaaaaaaakkkkkkkeeeeee Raiders.

Game. In. Bag. You. Give. It. Away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 19, 2011, 05:35:00 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 18, 2011, 09:35:40 PM
For Fuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkssssssssaaaaaaakkkkkkkeeeeee Raiders.

Game. In. Bag. You. Give. It. Away.

Twice as bad for the Vikings. They wiped Tampa out in the first half and then the Bucs wiped them out in the second. Jaysus wept.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 19, 2011, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 19, 2011, 05:35:00 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 18, 2011, 09:35:40 PM
For Fuuuuuuucccccccccckkkkkkkkssssssssaaaaaaakkkkkkkeeeeee Raiders.

Game. In. Bag. You. Give. It. Away.

Twice as bad for the Vikings. They wiped Tampa out in the first half and then the Bucs wiped them out in the second. Jaysus wept.

For any BS Report listeners...

Jaaaash Freeman wins football games!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 19, 2011, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 12, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
How about Cam Newton. 422yds on his debut. Even if they lost that is really really impressive.

So were the three picks he threw.

In fairness he was playing the packers  and he has  no running game so it is all on him.

he is the real deal and the league is shaping up to having the best stable of qb's in history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2011, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: stew on September 19, 2011, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 12, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
How about Cam Newton. 422yds on his debut. Even if they lost that is really really impressive.

So were the three picks he threw.

In fairness he was playing the packers  and he has  no running game so it is all on him.

he is the real deal and the league is shaping up to having the best stable of qb's in history.

Stew, that was from last week :D (juice's post). Amazing that we could nearly say the same again this week, albeit with 3 picks as you said. I like the way he kept coming back though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 19, 2011, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2011, 04:15:10 PM
Quote from: stew on September 19, 2011, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 12, 2011, 08:00:23 PM
How about Cam Newton. 422yds on his debut. Even if they lost that is really really impressive.

So were the three picks he threw.

In fairness he was playing the packers  and he has  no running game so it is all on him.

he is the real deal and the league is shaping up to having the best stable of qb's in history.

Stew, that was from last week :D (juice's post). Amazing that we could nearly say the same again this week, albeit with 3 picks as you said. I like the way he kept coming back though.

:-[ :-[ :-[


That's what i get for not taking the time to read the post.

it is remarkable what he is doing right now, what scares me is he threw the picks and they only lost by a TD again the so called world champions.

As for Denver fans calling for Tebow, be careful what you wish for, the guy finished third out of three on the depth chart, has definite issues with his throwing motion and is unproven at this level, he is a winner though but for me he should sit for another three to six weeks before throwing him to the wolves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 19, 2011, 08:37:29 PM
Steve Smith is already on 334 yards receiving after two games. They also have Shockey and Olsen as pass catching tight ends and Jonathan Stewart as pass catching running backs to help out. Newton seems to have brought that group to life but he will have to stop throwing interceptions if he wants to win games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 20, 2011, 07:25:07 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 20, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
Saw that last night Gab - what was that all about?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 20, 2011, 07:32:04 PM
Ouch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 20, 2011, 07:32:47 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 20, 2011, 07:25:45 PM
Saw that last night Gab - what was that all about?

It was a guy doing an intern with the Giants, he didn't realise he had hit him and he apologised in the locker room after the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 25, 2011, 09:03:17 PM
Eagles on paper should have a great season but Vick has a broken hand from today's game. Mike Kafka his replacement is way out of his depth. But the big surprise for me was how bad their secondary was considering the money spent on it.

Bills are leading the Pats with 3 mins to go. Hope they hold out. Bills deserve a good season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 25, 2011, 09:04:08 PM
It's only Vicks right hand so not so bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 25, 2011, 09:09:14 PM
Bills Pats is cracking, so is New Orleans Houston.

Wes Welker having an absolute MONSTER.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 25, 2011, 09:22:23 PM
Bills win!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 25, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Some catch by Calvin Johnson for Lions there to set up the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 26, 2011, 12:22:49 AM
And the Raiders learn how to hold on in the 4th to beat the Jets.............fantastic result.........some great plays made on both sides of the ball................

Now if only they had done this last week we would be looking at 3-0 for the first time in years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 26, 2011, 03:49:53 AM
What about those Bills, 3-0, Patriots and Jets should be interesting in two weeks time! When was the last time Brady threw 4 interceptions?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 26, 2011, 04:47:26 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 26, 2011, 03:49:53 AM
What about those Bills, 3-0, Patriots and Jets should be interesting in two weeks time! When was the last time Brady threw 4 interceptions?

2006?

The Steelers squeezed out the Colts in a defense dominated game with a late field goal. 23-20. The 0-3 pretty much means no chance of the playoffs for The Colts Vikings Dolphins Rams and Chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on September 26, 2011, 09:03:16 AM
Great to see the Bills winning and breaking their long losing streak against the Patriots.
Philly are not going well at all and if Vick is out for a while they will be hoping Vince Young can get back soon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 26, 2011, 10:05:32 AM
Jaysus Cardinals. Should be 3-0 and instead are 1-2. Another roller coaster season beckons. The one day the defense doesn't capitulate, the offense misfires. At least the Diamondbacks are the NL West Champions :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 26, 2011, 12:34:13 PM
Wtf were the officials at with that punt return that the Bears got late on. Genius play undone by a phantom hold call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 26, 2011, 01:51:32 PM
yeah, that was disgraceful. Great play that would probably only work once.

Falcons are in danger of letting this season slip early on. The coaches haven't the balls to make big plays  until its a last resort. Julio Jones who we gave up a lot to get had only 1 catch for 3 Qtrs and then had over 100yds in the 4th.

Roddy White on the other hand needs new hands. He, and others it must be said, dropped some crucial passes in the Redzone. Both offensive and defensive lines are way off the standard right now.

No sacks again yesterday and Matt Ryan was like a badger crossing the M50 when we had the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 26, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
The pack are 3-0 and have hapless Denver up next, they will have home field advantage wrapped before anyone else, they are brilliant altogether.


Brady will bounce back, fair play to the Bills, it is great to see them on the rise as they have been in the doldrums since the three amigo's left town.  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 26, 2011, 05:52:59 PM
The NFL put up two status updates on their Facebook page as gaeilge yesterday.


QuoteMar sin, Baile Átha Cliath go bhfuil ár gcuid gach curaidh Éireann Peile Sinsearach. Mura féidir leat iad a chur i gcomparáid le haon fhoireann NFL, ach amháin an chosaint curadh Green Bay Packers, cad a bheadh foireann siad agus cén fáth?


Followed by:


QuoteMar cheann muid isteach Seachtain 3 den séasúr rialta, ní mór dúinn fós roinnt foirne atá 2-0. Cé a cheapann tú a bheith tar éis 3-0 Seachtain 3, agus a mbeidh a gcuid taifead a bhuaigh chailleadh?


Anyone know why?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RedBolts on September 26, 2011, 11:46:25 PM
Quote from: thejuice on September 26, 2011, 05:52:59 PM
The NFL put up two status updates on their Facebook page as gaeilge yesterday.


QuoteMar sin, Baile Átha Cliath go bhfuil ár gcuid gach curaidh Éireann Peile Sinsearach. Mura féidir leat iad a chur i gcomparáid le haon fhoireann NFL, ach amháin an chosaint curadh Green Bay Packers, cad a bheadh foireann siad agus cén fáth?


Followed by:


QuoteMar cheann muid isteach Seachtain 3 den séasúr rialta, ní mór dúinn fós roinnt foirne atá 2-0. Cé a cheapann tú a bheith tar éis 3-0 Seachtain 3, agus a mbeidh a gcuid taifead a bhuaigh chailleadh?


Anyone know why?

Try this juice: http://www.paddypatriots.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=154
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 28, 2011, 02:30:03 PM
Ticketmaster rang me there offering 25% off Wembley tickets. I'd say anyone who paid full price might be a bit annoyed to hear that. Didn't take them though, haven't the cash for it these days. If they call at a later date offering 40-50% off I might take them though.

With the Olympics, RWC, a late sales period due to the CBA and a recession both sides of the Atlantic I'd say it's hard shifting them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 02, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Calvin Johnson on course to obliterate the season TD record. 8 after 4 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 02, 2011, 11:31:21 PM
Chargers ticking along nicely v Miami.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on October 02, 2011, 11:52:18 PM
It's hard work being a Dolphins fan...  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 03, 2011, 12:29:20 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 02, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Calvin Johnson on course to obliterate the season TD record. 8 after 4 games.

Hardly. The record is *I think* 28 by LT about 2007 or so. Obliterate is a strong word!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 03, 2011, 01:33:00 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 03, 2011, 12:29:20 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 02, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Calvin Johnson on course to obliterate the season TD record. 8 after 4 games.

Hardly. The record is *I think* 28 by LT about 2007 or so. Obliterate is a strong word!

Most TDs Season
1 LT 31 2007 28 ru 3 re
2 Shaun Alexander 28 2005 27 ru 1 re

Most Rec TDs for season
1 Randy Moss 23 2007
2 Jerry Rice  22 1987
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 03, 2011, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 03, 2011, 12:29:20 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 02, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
Calvin Johnson on course to obliterate the season TD record. 8 after 4 games.

Hardly. The record is *I think* 28 by LT about 2007 or so. Obliterate is a strong word!

Sorry, meant receiving TD's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 03, 2011, 09:45:41 AM
What a win for the 49ers in Philly, 3-1 and should be bloody 4-0 only for Romo.

Bills and cowboys let my bet down, some great comebacks already this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 03, 2011, 01:04:03 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 03, 2011, 09:45:41 AM
What a win for the 49ers in Philly, 3-1 and should be bloody 4-0 only for Romo.

Bills and cowboys let my bet down, some great comebacks already this year.

Romo has a lot to answer for. The cowboys should be 4-0 only for him as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 03, 2011, 03:02:07 PM
The Pats are back on track and Green Bay are unbeaten, I was at the game yesterday, great atmosphere but the security was fecked.

They implemented new measures to counteract terrorism and it was taking forever, with 30 minutes to go there was only 20 odd thousand people in the stadium and so what did they do, they said feck it and opened the floodgates.

Absolutely amazing.

A Rod is the real deal,  threw for four td's, ran for 2 more with one pick and gained 408 yards in a single game, Brett who???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 05, 2011, 03:47:36 PM
Rodgers was unreal on sunday..the pass for the 4th? TD was especially good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 05, 2011, 03:50:21 PM
Yankees won 10-1 last night to set up game 5 in the Bronx tomorrow night...AJ Burnett finally came good, hopefully he gets another chance in these playoffs  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 05, 2011, 05:39:04 PM
Romo can be outstanding then do the most stupid things,the Detroit game was a perfect example.Dallas should have beaten the Jets but were fortunate to beat the Skins last Monday night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 05, 2011, 05:59:20 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 05, 2011, 03:50:21 PM
Yankees won 10-1 last night to set up game 5 in the Bronx tomorrow night...AJ Burnett finally came good, hopefully he gets another chance in these playoffs  :-\

I can't abide the yankee's and hope Detroit bate them in the dunghole in noo york in game 5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 05, 2011, 06:06:01 PM
You don't want my extra ticket then Stew  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2011, 11:33:09 AM
Diamondbacks came back from the dead to win the last 2 games in the desert. Series tied 2-2 now, but heading back to Milwaukee where the Brewers should prevail. Great year for Arizona though. Low payroll, young team and NL West Champions ahead of last years World Series Champs.

Interesting to see 3 of the 4 Division Series going to the final game. Should be a good one tonight in the Bronx. Go Tigers :)


Cardinals and Phillies has a real old-tymie fell about it too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 06, 2011, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 05, 2011, 06:06:01 PM
You don't want my extra ticket then Stew  :P

Eh no but thanks for the offer new devil.

For my sins I am a red sox fan but I would still prefer the Yankees over Glentoran, Linfield,rankers,Down and last but least tyrone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 08, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
Al Davis dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAlrzcdfRY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mannix on October 08, 2011, 04:22:01 PM
Never watch the Yankees because I hate the sight of them, however, game 5 against the tigers was one I simply had to watch.
Great to see a nobody lowering the mighty. The Yankees, 200 million it seems can't buy you everything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 08, 2011, 05:04:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
Al Davis dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAlrzcdfRY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Just win, baby.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 08, 2011, 09:25:55 PM
Great baseball altogether, the evil empire go all choke dog millionaire, the brew crew win in the tenth and next up is the cardinals, it would be brilliant if the brew crew and the tigers got to the series, an all mid west series would be huge.

The past two weekends have seen Wisconsin have their best sporting wins of all time in terms of we saw to Packer wins, two University of Wisconsin wins, one against the cornhuskers in a rout and of course the brewers  won three games on the weekend. People are going nuts here at the minute.

The pack play Atlanta tomorrow, that will be tough but i think they will win this one as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 08, 2011, 09:30:29 PM
I see Favre had a swipe at Rodgers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 09, 2011, 03:55:34 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2011, 04:10:17 PM
Al Davis dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RAlrzcdfRY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Everyone hated him but even his critics recognised him as a legend of the game. RIP AL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 09, 2011, 06:22:20 AM
Al Davis added a bit of colour and character to the NFL and was very good at what he did for a long time. However possibly greed meant he stayed on too long and he made a bit of a joke of himself and the team in the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 09, 2011, 08:41:53 PM
Anyone see the play by Victor Cruz for Giants?  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Great win on the road to send Al off in style. Penalties all over the shop, nail biting to the finish but I'm sure he wouldnt want it any other way. Pure entertainment.

Just won baby.

RIP Al
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 09, 2011, 09:59:23 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 09:52:27 PM
Great win on the road to send Al off in style. Penalties all over the shop, nail biting to the finish but I'm sure he wouldnt want it any other way. Pure entertainment.

Just won baby.

RIP Al

Was sure they had lost that at the end. Thought the QB was just going to run in. Last 2 minutes was full of ups and downs but great win all the same
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 09, 2011, 10:21:25 PM
Mad enough game at Denver v Chargers. Plenty of digging. Can a man get sent off? Rivers even managed a TD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2011, 10:24:42 PM
Yeah, looks spikey enough alright. You can be ejected. The signal for that is very funny. The ref jerks his thumb over his shoulder like he's trying to point at someone behind him.

The Denver fans are daft. Screaming for Tebow. Tell the fecking receivers to get open.

As for the Cardinals  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
If it was a QB like Vick facing 1 man to get a game winning TD he would have ran.

Shaub seemed to lack the cojones.

Thankfully.

Very hard to know where the Raiders are at after a performance like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 09, 2011, 10:44:42 PM
Are the Denver fans normally that vocal? Seem a bit manic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 09, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
If it was a QB like Vick facing 1 man to get a game winning TD he would have ran.

Shaub seemed to lack the cojones.

Thankfully.

Very hard to know where the Raiders are at after a performance like that.

The penny is maybe finally dropping for Heyward-Bey
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 09, 2011, 10:57:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 09, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
If it was a QB like Vick facing 1 man to get a game winning TD he would have ran.

Shaub seemed to lack the cojones.

Thankfully.

Very hard to know where the Raiders are at after a performance like that.

The penny is maybe finally dropping for Heyward-Bey

The eagles haven't exactly been clutch of late!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2011, 10:58:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2011, 10:44:42 PM
Are the Denver fans normally that vocal? Seem a bit manic.

Mile High was a tough place to win always. But they seem to have gone loopy for Tebow for some reason, and Orton is getting a real rough time there. Sure some of them have spent 10k on a billboard in Denver saying 'Play Tebow'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 09, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2011, 10:58:30 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2011, 10:44:42 PM
Are the Denver fans normally that vocal? Seem a bit manic.

Mile High was a tough place to win always. But they seem to have gone loopy for Tebow for some reason, and Orton is getting a real rough time there. Sure some of them have spent 10k on a billboard in Denver saying 'Play Tebow'

He's on now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2011, 11:08:55 PM
3 and out. Booooo!!!! Bring on Elway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 10, 2011, 01:00:15 AM
Tebow is a joke but give them what they want. Brady Quinn is a better qb than Tebow. Orton to Miami could happen now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on October 10, 2011, 01:15:49 AM
As a Miami fan, I can't see Orton coming to the Dolphins now. At 0-4 our season is as good as done. As bewildering and all as some of the choices that the ownership has made in the last year trading for a quarterback before installing a new head coach and GM (dead men walking) isn't likely.

There's a sizeable proportion of the fanbase already hoping that as we can get Andrew Luck in the 2012 draft. Even if we don't get Luck next year's draft is QB deep so the Dolphins might finally get the franchise QB we've been after for the last decade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 10, 2011, 01:18:53 AM
49ers 4-1, I love this red zone craic on sky. Thumped the Buccs. Gore is an animal. Got the bet up this weekend too. Just tucking into the 2nd bottle of Red, gonna watch late game but this new channel 4 presenter is a bit of a dungbag
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 10, 2011, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2011, 01:00:15 AM
Tebow is a joke but give them what they want. Brady Quinn is a better qb than Tebow. Orton to Miami could happen now.

Why do you say he is a joke seanie? He's a proven winner and a lot of the shit he gets Is stirred up by the media because of his reglious believes.... Done well when he came in today.... And I think if he was given a run of games he would prove a lot of people wrong
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on October 10, 2011, 01:52:43 AM
Quote from: new devil on October 10, 2011, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2011, 01:00:15 AM
Tebow is a joke but give them what they want. Brady Quinn is a better qb than Tebow. Orton to Miami could happen now.

Why do you say he is a joke seanie? He's a proven winner and a lot of the shit he gets Is stirred up by the media because of his reglious believes.... Done well when he came in today.... And I think if he was given a run of games he would prove a lot of people wrong

Hows your nfl season goin this year new devil????You need me to keep you right again lol
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 10, 2011, 02:13:06 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 10, 2011, 01:18:53 AM
49ers 4-1, I love this red zone craic on sky. Thumped the Buccs. Gore is an animal. Got the bet up this weekend too. Just tucking into the 2nd bottle of Red, gonna watch late game but this new channel 4 presenter is a bit of a dungbag

He is a bit out of shape. He reminds me of Homer Simpson when he put on all the weight and had to wear special clothes that looked like dresses.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on October 10, 2011, 02:18:35 AM
Some start by the falcons,marched up in 2 attacks to touch down
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 10, 2011, 02:31:09 AM
Quote from: Family guy on October 10, 2011, 02:18:35 AM
Some start by the falcons,marched up in 2 attacks to touch down
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 10, 2011, 02:13:06 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 10, 2011, 01:18:53 AM
49ers 4-1, I love this red zone craic on sky. Thumped the Buccs. Gore is an animal. Got the bet up this weekend too. Just tucking into the 2nd bottle of Red, gonna watch late game but this new channel 4 presenter is a bit of a dungbag

He is a bit out of shape. He reminds me of Homer Simpson when he put on all the weight and had to wear special clothes that looked like dresses.

I know why didnt they hide him behind a table r sum thing.

Falcons looking gud, but u cant back against rodgers might go and see what price they are now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Family guy on October 10, 2011, 02:38:32 AM
Looking at betting as well,packers getting the ball in the second as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 10, 2011, 09:12:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 09, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
If it was a QB like Vick facing 1 man to get a game winning TD he would have ran.

Shaub seemed to lack the cojones.

Thankfully.

Very hard to know where the Raiders are at after a performance like that.

The penny is maybe finally dropping for Heyward-Bey

What do you mean by that minder?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 10, 2011, 09:30:47 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 10, 2011, 09:12:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 09, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 09, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
If it was a QB like Vick facing 1 man to get a game winning TD he would have ran.

Shaub seemed to lack the cojones.

Thankfully.

Very hard to know where the Raiders are at after a performance like that.

The penny is maybe finally dropping for Heyward-Bey

What do you mean by that minder?

Well he had 490 receiving yards in his first two seasons and he has 263 after 4 games. He was the stereotypical Al Davis pick, unbelievable speed but considered a reach at #7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 10, 2011, 10:04:01 AM
Quote from: new devil on October 10, 2011, 01:41:10 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2011, 01:00:15 AM
Tebow is a joke but give them what they want. Brady Quinn is a better qb than Tebow. Orton to Miami could happen now.

Why do you say he is a joke seanie? He's a proven winner and a lot of the shit he gets Is stirred up by the media because of his reglious believes.... Done well when he came in today.... And I think if he was given a run of games he would prove a lot of people wrong

Because he cannot throw the ball. On his first two series he went 3 and out and guess what - no-one booed! He can run granted but in the NFL you have to throw the ball well and he can't. San Diego obviously weren't set up for him but I hope he is under center (more likely in shotgun as he nearly fumbled 3 times when under center) when da Bears go to Mile High.

As for his religious beliefs I think he's daft but he's entitled to his beliefs. It has nothing to do with his football though, it is a red herring argument.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 10, 2011, 10:06:07 AM
In college Tim Tebow was a winner, no doubt about it. But Tebow's strength in college was his physique at college level and his ability to run the option and quarterback keepers. He does not throw a good ball, and this is the NFL. If the offense is built around him running option plays, the lad will be killed. NFL linebackers and safeties are not College Linebackers, even in the SEC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 10, 2011, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 10, 2011, 09:30:47 AM

Well he had 490 receiving yards in his first two seasons and he has 263 after 4 games. He was the stereotypical Al Davis pick, unbelievable speed but considered a reach at #7.

So you mean he's beginning to realise his potential?

On a different note I can still not get my head round how fickle some American football fans are. They 'support' them things are going well but the rest of the time they just slate the shite outta them. Booing and shouting abuse at every opportunity. I remember the abuse Damarcus Russell (yes I know he was shite) got in one match I was at.  How they think this will help them perform is beyond me! I've a mate who is a bronco's fan, he wants them to lose every game this season so they can pick up Luck in the draft...absolute madness
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 10, 2011, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 10, 2011, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 10, 2011, 09:30:47 AM

Well he had 490 receiving yards in his first two seasons and he has 263 after 4 games. He was the stereotypical Al Davis pick, unbelievable speed but considered a reach at #7.

So you mean he's beginning to realise his potential?


Yeah he possibly is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 10, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
The question is will Jason Campbell realise his potential in tandem?

Raiders have a very talented squad of recievers, with youth on their side.  If JC can develop alongside them we might just be back in business.

The first post Al draft will be verrry interesting.....

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 11, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 10, 2011, 11:00:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 10, 2011, 09:30:47 AM

Well he had 490 receiving yards in his first two seasons and he has 263 after 4 games. He was the stereotypical Al Davis pick, unbelievable speed but considered a reach at #7.

So you mean he's beginning to realise his potential?

On a different note I can still not get my head round how fickle some American football fans are. They 'support' them things are going well but the rest of the time they just slate the shite outta them. Booing and shouting abuse at every opportunity. I remember the abuse Damarcus Russell (yes I know he was shite) got in one match I was at.  How they think this will help them perform is beyond me! I've a mate who is a bronco's fan, he wants them to lose every game this season so they can pick up Luck in the draft...absolute madness

Similar to the Orton/Tebow situation.  Orton is nothing special but it makes the job that much harder when your own fans are booing you at games and are shouting for an unproven QB to take your place.  Not to mind that your own fans are erecting billboards at a massive cost just to get their point across.  You would have to be mentally strong to not let that get to you when you are trying to win games.

In saying that now that Tebow is named as starter for Week 7 against Miami they should give him a few games to see if he can do the job at this level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on October 11, 2011, 08:01:58 PM
I hope you're right.  No better place for him to start this season than against Miami who will be 0-5 by the time week 7 comes around.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 11, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

In the three games he started at the end of last season he threw for 138, 308 and 205 yards. Hardly massive numbers. He is competitive and has a great attitude but i just don't think he is good enough throwing the ball, we will soon find out i suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 11, 2011, 09:01:58 PM

AdamSchefter: NFL owners today approved a resolution to continue playing regular-season games in the United Kingdom through the 2016 season.

I think they should give a few other countries a chance to host games too, Germany in particular.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 12, 2011, 11:43:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 11, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

In the three games he started at the end of last season he threw for 138, 308 and 205 yards. Hardly massive numbers. He is competitive and has a great attitude but i just don't think he is good enough throwing the ball, we will soon find out i suppose.
I stand corrected, I thought he threw for more yards, but he did also rush for 100, 89 and 58, throw for 4 tds and run for 3 tds as well. He did have 3 INTs but those numbers are pretty good in my view. Much better than most rookie QBs would have (except for Cam Newton!)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2011, 12:26:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 11, 2011, 09:01:58 PM

AdamSchefter: NFL owners today approved a resolution to continue playing regular-season games in the United Kingdom through the 2016 season.

I think they should give a few other countries a chance to host games too, Germany in particular.

Absolutely. I've done the NFL in London thing 3 times, and while it's great to go to a game again, It's getting a bit repititious. I'd love if they played a game in one of the other countries where NFL Europe was a success and the NFL has a big following. Germany, Holland or even Spain would be great and I think they'd get a crowd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

Tebow is a winner, full stop, i think he will figure it out but he has serious mechanical issues that should have been fixed by his college coaches to prepare him for the NFL, they didnt fix them and he will struggle for a while in my opinion, that said he will be a winner in the NFL, he has what it takes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 12, 2011, 04:02:15 PM
I agree Stew...Look at the way he dragged Denver back into the game and nearly won it with the hail Mary...Looking forward to seeing him this weekend
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2011, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: stew on October 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

Tebow is a winner, full stop, i think he will figure it out but he has serious mechanical issues that should have been fixed by his college coaches to prepare him for the NFL, they didnt fix them and he will struggle for a while in my opinion, that said he will be a winner in the NFL, he has what it takes.

I like the guy, I hope he does succeed, he seems like a nice lad. However, I still believe Kyle Orton is the better QB. Perhaps Tebow is a better leader, but I guarantee you if he doesn't fix his throwing motion, he will not be a winner in the NFL. You cannot be an option QB and succeed in the NFL. Being able to run is a great strength, but not if its your *only* strength.

If NFL linebackers are not worrying about coverage, and sitting back waiting for him to take off, then Good night Irene.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 12, 2011, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: stew on October 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

Tebow is a winner, full stop, i think he will figure it out but he has serious mechanical issues that should have been fixed by his college coaches to prepare him for the NFL, they didnt fix them and he will struggle for a while in my opinion, that said he will be a winner in the NFL, he has what it takes.

I don't know if this will show the entire documentary - but if anyone wants to download this - you can see for yourself just how hard Tebow worked post college/pre draft to work on his throwing motion (as well as everything else).

http://everythinginbetween.com/ (http://everythinginbetween.com/)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 12, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 12, 2011, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: stew on October 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

Tebow is a winner, full stop, i think he will figure it out but he has serious mechanical issues that should have been fixed by his college coaches to prepare him for the NFL, they didnt fix them and he will struggle for a while in my opinion, that said he will be a winner in the NFL, he has what it takes.

I don't know if this will show the entire documentary - but if anyone wants to download this - you can see for yourself just how hard Tebow worked post college/pre draft to work on his throwing motion (as well as everything else).

http://everythinginbetween.com/ (http://everythinginbetween.com/)

I think the limited success of Michael Vick, the closest thing the NFL has to an option QB should be warning to all the Tebow believers- and Vick has a cannon of an arm and a quick release!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 12, 2011, 10:15:46 PM
Tebow is a great athlete but not a NFL quarterback. He should be converted to a slot/TE/fullback on offense or an inside linbacker on defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2011, 09:28:48 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 12, 2011, 10:15:46 PM
Tebow is a great athlete but not a NFL quarterback. He should be converted to a slot/TE/fullback on offense or an inside linbacker on defense.

When he was drafted, a lot of people thought he'd be converted into a Dallas Clarke type Tight End.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 13, 2011, 09:37:10 AM
Would there be many precedents for people drafted as QB's making it in another position?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2011, 10:08:24 AM
It has happened deiseach, although normally it's known before the draft, i.e. the player is not really considered as a QB. Here's a list of some College QBs that played other positions in the NFL, from Sporting News.

Joshua Cribbs, WR/KR, Browns (6-1, 215). He has sometimes lined up behind center for Cleveland in its Wildcat formation, which the team has dubbed "Flash" in honor of the former Kent State Golden Flashes quarterback. But he's gone from an undrafted player to a two-time Pro Bowler because of his exception kickoff and punt return skills.

Brad Smith, WR/KR, Jets (6-1, 218). It's no wonder Smith has the same build as Cribbs as a fellow former option style college quarterback at Missouri, because he also plays at a high level on special teams -- as a returner and cover man -- with the occasional Wildcat appearance.

Antwaan Randle El, WR/KR Steelers (5-10, 190). Sense a theme here? Like Smith and Cribbs, he was a prolific passing/running dual threat at Indiana. Despite his smaller frame, he found a great home during his first stint in Pittsburgh, in a creative offense that took full advantage of his versatility. One of those trick plays easily stands out: His 43-yard TD pass to Ward in Super Bowl XL.

Michael Robinson, RB, Seahawks (6-1, 223). Four years after Randle El won Big Ten MVP, Robinson earned the same honor for his terrific 2005 season at Penn State. Quickly after he was drafted in the fourth round by the 49ers, he became Frank Gore's top backup and later a fill-in fullback -- the position at which he's currently listed as the starter in Seattle.


Former players

Matt Jones, WR (6-6, 218). Size-wise, Jones had a very similar build to Pryor going into the NFL, but what made the former Arkansas quarterback a first-round pick of the Jaguars was his jaw-dropping athletic display at the '05 Scouting Combine. After he showed flashes of being a star with his hands, speed and leaping ability, his career was quickly derailed by off-field drug problems.

Ronald Curry, WR (6-2, 210). With him at quarterback and Julius Peppers at defensive end, North Carolina had two basketball players who were much better football players. While the Panthers drafted Peppers No. 2 overall in 2002, the Raiders took a shot on Curry 233 picks later. Curry looked on the verge of breaking out with 50-, 62- and 55-catch seasons for Oakland, but unfortunately, Achilles' and foot injuries caught up to him.

Drew Bennett, WR (6-5, 207). Bennett, a former UCLA QB, an eight-year veteran, enjoyed three fine seasons starting opposite Derrick Mason for the Titans, including an outstanding '04 season (80 catches, 1,247 yards, 11 TDs). He excelled at using his height to beat smaller defenders in single coverage, a good blueprint for Pryor.

Scott Frost, DB (6-3, 218). Frost preceded Heisman-winner Eric Crouch in leading Nebraska to a national championship out of the Cornhuskers' erstwhile option offense, and translated his top running skills to play safety and special teams with four teams over a six-year NFL career. Pryor is too big and tall to move to the secondary.

Dennis Franklin, WR (6-1, 185). Like Pryor, he was a three-year starter ('72-'74) in the Big Ten, and enjoyed his great individual and team success as a passer and runner at Ohio State's archrival, Michigan. The instate Detroit Lions drafted him in the sixth round in '75, and he caught six passes over two seasons. It wouldn't be surprising if one of the NFL's two Ohio teams -- Browns or Bengals -- gives Pryor his best pro shot.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-06-08/pryor-comparisons-college-qbs-who-made-nfl-position-switches#ixzz1aeQRaJGR
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 13, 2011, 09:19:47 PM
I forgot to post this after the game but when Wisconsin played Nebraska the announcer noted that the Wisconsins Offensive line out-weighed the Green Bay Packers line. These are college kids who are between 18-22, any NFL team would love to have that size.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 13, 2011, 10:12:42 PM
Wisconsin V Oklahoma for the national championship, ye heard it here first.  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2011, 04:49:17 AM
Quote from: stew on October 13, 2011, 10:12:42 PM
Wisconsin V Oklahoma for the national championship, ye heard it here first.  ;)

I would love to see that but you need Bama to beat LSU then Bama to lose to Auburn to shoot The Badgers up to #2 and the Sooners to jump to#1.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 14, 2011, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 12, 2011, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: stew on October 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

Tebow is a winner, full stop, i think he will figure it out but he has serious mechanical issues that should have been fixed by his college coaches to prepare him for the NFL, they didnt fix them and he will struggle for a while in my opinion, that said he will be a winner in the NFL, he has what it takes.

I don't know if this will show the entire documentary - but if anyone wants to download this - you can see for yourself just how hard Tebow worked post college/pre draft to work on his throwing motion (as well as everything else).

http://everythinginbetween.com/ (http://everythinginbetween.com/)

Thanks for that puck - downloaded and watched it last night - amazing how loved he is in Florida. Gotta love the guy for how hard he works. I was pretty impressed with their agent - how he knew the Broncos were trying to trade up but when they did he knew it was too early and they were picking Demaryius Thomas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on October 14, 2011, 10:38:11 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2011, 10:08:24 AM
It has happened deiseach, although normally it's known before the draft, i.e. the player is not really considered as a QB. Here's a list of some College QBs that played other positions in the NFL, from Sporting News.

Joshua Cribbs, WR/KR, Browns (6-1, 215). He has sometimes lined up behind center for Cleveland in its Wildcat formation, which the team has dubbed "Flash" in honor of the former Kent State Golden Flashes quarterback. But he's gone from an undrafted player to a two-time Pro Bowler because of his exception kickoff and punt return skills.

Brad Smith, WR/KR, Jets (6-1, 218). It's no wonder Smith has the same build as Cribbs as a fellow former option style college quarterback at Missouri, because he also plays at a high level on special teams -- as a returner and cover man -- with the occasional Wildcat appearance.

Antwaan Randle El, WR/KR Steelers (5-10, 190). Sense a theme here? Like Smith and Cribbs, he was a prolific passing/running dual threat at Indiana. Despite his smaller frame, he found a great home during his first stint in Pittsburgh, in a creative offense that took full advantage of his versatility. One of those trick plays easily stands out: His 43-yard TD pass to Ward in Super Bowl XL.

Michael Robinson, RB, Seahawks (6-1, 223). Four years after Randle El won Big Ten MVP, Robinson earned the same honor for his terrific 2005 season at Penn State. Quickly after he was drafted in the fourth round by the 49ers, he became Frank Gore's top backup and later a fill-in fullback -- the position at which he's currently listed as the starter in Seattle.


Former players

Matt Jones, WR (6-6, 218). Size-wise, Jones had a very similar build to Pryor going into the NFL, but what made the former Arkansas quarterback a first-round pick of the Jaguars was his jaw-dropping athletic display at the '05 Scouting Combine. After he showed flashes of being a star with his hands, speed and leaping ability, his career was quickly derailed by off-field drug problems.

Ronald Curry, WR (6-2, 210). With him at quarterback and Julius Peppers at defensive end, North Carolina had two basketball players who were much better football players. While the Panthers drafted Peppers No. 2 overall in 2002, the Raiders took a shot on Curry 233 picks later. Curry looked on the verge of breaking out with 50-, 62- and 55-catch seasons for Oakland, but unfortunately, Achilles' and foot injuries caught up to him.

Drew Bennett, WR (6-5, 207). Bennett, a former UCLA QB, an eight-year veteran, enjoyed three fine seasons starting opposite Derrick Mason for the Titans, including an outstanding '04 season (80 catches, 1,247 yards, 11 TDs). He excelled at using his height to beat smaller defenders in single coverage, a good blueprint for Pryor.

Scott Frost, DB (6-3, 218). Frost preceded Heisman-winner Eric Crouch in leading Nebraska to a national championship out of the Cornhuskers' erstwhile option offense, and translated his top running skills to play safety and special teams with four teams over a six-year NFL career. Pryor is too big and tall to move to the secondary.

Dennis Franklin, WR (6-1, 185). Like Pryor, he was a three-year starter ('72-'74) in the Big Ten, and enjoyed his great individual and team success as a passer and runner at Ohio State's archrival, Michigan. The instate Detroit Lions drafted him in the sixth round in '75, and he caught six passes over two seasons. It wouldn't be surprising if one of the NFL's two Ohio teams -- Browns or Bengals -- gives Pryor his best pro shot.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-06-08/pryor-comparisons-college-qbs-who-made-nfl-position-switches#ixzz1aeQRaJGR

Good post AZ. Julian Edelman is another current player who played QB in college.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 14, 2011, 02:57:24 PM
Not my post in fairness Claw, it's from Sporting News. I just did a search on it because I know these lads existed :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 14, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Never watched baseball untill i got espn a couple of weeks ago . i watched a programme last week called catching hell about the chicago cubs supporter steve bartman , really enjoyed it and  to think i thought it was only us mayo football folks that believed in curses
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 14, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Catching Hell was a good documentary alright, saw it on ESPN myself a couple of weeks back. Still can't really warm to baseball which is a bit of a problem as ESPN have it on a lot as well as flippin NASCAR. That said, the NFL and College football is great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 14, 2011, 11:29:13 PM
I have the answer, Seanie--Fantasy Baseball!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 14, 2011, 11:42:49 PM
Jesus - that would result in a swift divorce!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 15, 2011, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 14, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Never watched baseball untill i got espn a couple of weeks ago . i watched a programme last week called catching hell about the chicago cubs supporter steve bartman , really enjoyed it and  to think i thought it was only us mayo football folks that believed in curses

I have had it recorded for a few weeks, would you need an interest in baseball (I have none) to appreciate it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 15, 2011, 11:08:10 AM
The final word on Tebow BROTHER!!!!

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/10/14/the-hulkster-has-a-message-for-tebow/?module=HP11_content_stream
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2011, 09:14:28 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2011, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on October 14, 2011, 07:18:16 PM
Never watched baseball untill i got espn a couple of weeks ago . i watched a programme last week called catching hell about the chicago cubs supporter steve bartman , really enjoyed it and  to think i thought it was only us mayo football folks that believed in curses

I have had it recorded for a few weeks, would you need an interest in baseball (I have none) to appreciate it?

Minder - not necessary to like baseball. The sport is merely the background to the story. My missus has no interest in sport and she enjoyed it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 16, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Going well for the Falcons. Big 4thQTR scoring gives us a badly needed win over Division rivals. We're in trouble of falling behind early this year. I hope Peyton Manning doesnt come back in time for when we play them.

Looks like we got back to the running game with Michael Turner as the hammer to drive home the nails of victory!

Giants just ahead of the Bills in the New York derby.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 16, 2011, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 16, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Going well for the Falcons. Big 4thQTR scoring gives us a badly needed win over Division rivals. We're in trouble of falling behind early this year. I hope Peyton Manning doesnt come back in time for when we play them.

Looks like we got back to the running game with Michael Turner as the hammer to drive home the nails of victory!

Giants just ahead of the Bills in the New York derby.

Take it this is why the colts are pure pish?!

ATDHE down, anyone got a link to the Raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2011, 09:43:39 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 16, 2011, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 16, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Going well for the Falcons. Big 4thQTR scoring gives us a badly needed win over Division rivals. We're in trouble of falling behind early this year. I hope Peyton Manning doesnt come back in time for when we play them.

Looks like we got back to the running game with Michael Turner as the hammer to drive home the nails of victory!

Giants just ahead of the Bills in the New York derby.

Take it this is why the colts are pure pish?!

Painter isn't playing as badly as some thought and I don't think the Colts would have been great this year even with Manning but obviously he makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 16, 2011, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 16, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Going well for the Falcons. Big 4thQTR scoring gives us a badly needed win over Division rivals. We're in trouble of falling behind early this year. I hope Peyton Manning doesnt come back in time for when we play them.

Looks like we got back to the running game with Michael Turner as the hammer to drive home the nails of victory!

Giants just ahead of the Bills in the New York derby.


Did Roddy White get hurt? I was out playing hoops and he only got about 3 fantasy points?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 16, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
Pack win, deetroit lose, it's hard to see anybody touching the pack bar the pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 16, 2011, 11:32:34 PM
Dallas putting it up to the Pats this evening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2011, 11:56:20 PM
Quote from: stew on October 16, 2011, 10:55:23 PM
Pack win, deetroit lose, it's hard to see anybody touching the pack bar the pats.

I think Rodgers would shred the Pats secondary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 17, 2011, 12:17:17 AM
Brady is pure class. f**k i hate the Patriots!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 17, 2011, 01:25:51 AM

It is a bit late but first row sports is the way to go in future it is much better than atdhe imho.

Quote from: gawa316 on October 16, 2011, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on October 16, 2011, 09:04:47 PM
Going well for the Falcons. Big 4thQTR scoring gives us a badly needed win over Division rivals. We're in trouble of falling behind early this year. I hope Peyton Manning doesnt come back in time for when we play them.

Looks like we got back to the running game with Michael Turner as the hammer to drive home the nails of victory!

Giants just ahead of the Bills in the New York derby.

Take it this is why the colts are pure pish?!

ATDHE down, anyone got a link to the Raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 17, 2011, 03:02:11 AM
Well for anyone going to the Bears vs Bucs game next week  it looks like it will be a better match then expected.

Bucs with a big win against the Saints and the Bears beating up on the Vikes, both teams hitting their strides.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 17, 2011, 05:10:30 AM
What a win for the 9ners, shud clinch the Div now unless its a monumental reverse in fortunes (red sox).  Tough week to get a bet up.

Anyone following the baseball. cards v ranger in world series. Would like to see the cards do it after being 10 games of the playoffs at end of Augs although Rangers will be favs after their experience last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 17, 2011, 11:19:29 AM
The 49ers really look to be living up to their potential now after flopping last year.  They have most of what they need to go far apart from a good quarterback.

The Seahawks look like their only threat in the west and that is not saying a lot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 17, 2011, 11:43:05 AM
Division should be the niners now alright. Cardinals D has been awful and is spoiling the fact that we have a competent QB and RB.

Niners look good :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 17, 2011, 12:14:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 17, 2011, 01:25:51 AM

It is a bit late but first row sports is the way to go in future it is much better than atdhe imho.


Aye that's what I ended up watching it on.

Another decent win for the Raiders especially as Campbell went off (QB seem to be made of glass), the fake punt was superb!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 17, 2011, 02:53:34 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 17, 2011, 12:17:17 AM
Brady is pure class. f**k i hate the Patriots!

:D

well nobody's perfect. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 17, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Raiders really need to bring a QB in. Boller is NOT up to the job.

Even with Campbell playing yesterday the passing side of the offence was not great. 2 special teams plays won the game, along with some decent D.   

Long time since we looked genuinely competitive though ....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 17, 2011, 09:28:46 PM
Try being a Cleveland Browns fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 17, 2011, 10:54:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 17, 2011, 09:28:46 PM
Try being a Cleveland Browns fan.


:D :D :D :D

or a norn iron fan. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 18, 2011, 01:01:24 AM
Jets have to be good till cover the spread tonight. -7   ......they better!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 18, 2011, 04:01:20 AM
I think we are good carmen  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 18, 2011, 04:43:29 AM
Easy in the end.  Miami is very poor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 18, 2011, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 17, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Raiders really need to bring a QB in. Boller is NOT up to the job.

Even with Campbell playing yesterday the passing side of the offence was not great. 2 special teams plays won the game, along with some decent D.   

Long time since we looked genuinely competitive though ....

WTF. Carson palmer to the Raiders for two first round draft pick. What do you thinkbof that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 18, 2011, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 17, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Raiders really need to bring a QB in. Boller is NOT up to the job.

Even with Campbell playing yesterday the passing side of the offence was not great. 2 special teams plays won the game, along with some decent D.   

Long time since we looked genuinely competitive though ....

WTF. Carson palmer to the Raiders for two first round draft pick. What do you thinkbof that?

Just saw that, can't even blame Al Davis for that !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 18, 2011, 05:14:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 18, 2011, 04:07:11 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 17, 2011, 09:21:07 PM
Raiders really need to bring a QB in. Boller is NOT up to the job.

Even with Campbell playing yesterday the passing side of the offence was not great. 2 special teams plays won the game, along with some decent D.   

Long time since we looked genuinely competitive though ....

WTF. Carson palmer to the Raiders for two first round draft pick. What do you think of that?

Just saw that, can't even blame Al Davis for that !

One 5th rounder should have been enough, horrible trade, Palmer is not worth it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 18, 2011, 05:19:56 PM
Palmer's not a bad QB, but two first rounders for a guy that said he didn't want to play for the Bengals any more? And given that the young lad Dalton is settling in well there, the Bengals have made out like bandits.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 18, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
Gross stupidity by the Raiders. Two first round picks is crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 18, 2011, 10:33:28 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 18, 2011, 07:06:53 PM
Gross stupidity by the Raiders. Two first round picks is crazy.

It had nothing to do with Al Davis. They really are a bit of a joke. Will it ever hange?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 18, 2011, 11:56:04 PM
Even by the Raiders standards this was a crazy, crazy move.

2 First round picks for a fella who is average at best, hasn't played all year and has had major surgery on his throwing arm.

Don't know what message that sends to the dressing room either.

Jason Campbell is in the last year of his contract - would doubt he will resign (unless no-one else picks him up) and has, through sheer misfortune, gone from 'the man' to no-one.

Only positives are - Carson used to be a very good QB and Hue worked with him as OffCo-rd before so hopefully should know what he's all about and how to get the best outta him.

In addition I think he is a better QB (if he even gets back to 80% of his pro-bowl days) than JC ever will be.

Still - 1 first round pick would have been steep enough, let alone 2

Although if this saves us from another JaMarcus...................... ;)

If Run DMC gets injured though we are well and truly fcuked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LostInSpace on October 18, 2011, 11:59:10 PM
Im reduced to watching NFL on Channel 4 at an ungodly hour of the morning since i came back from the states lol so borrowed the brothers digital recorder and am now recording it, where else does it be shown, is it on sky/espn?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 19, 2011, 05:07:21 AM
it's only one first rounder - and a conditional first rounder
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 19, 2011, 08:17:55 AM
It will be a first and a second round pick unless Oakland makes the AFC championship game. Still way too much imho for digging the Bengals out of a hole.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2011, 08:52:43 AM
Quote from: LostInSpace on October 18, 2011, 11:59:10 PM
Im reduced to watching NFL on Channel 4 at an ungodly hour of the morning since i came back from the states lol so borrowed the brothers digital recorder and am now recording it, where else does it be shown, is it on sky/espn?

Sky show 2 games plus NFL red zone every Sunday. Espn shows Monday night football and espn america shows loads of college games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 19, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
Christian Ponder will start for the vikings v packers on sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2011, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 19, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
Christian Ponder will start for the vikings v packers on sunday.

Not a surprise. McNabb has been terrible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 19, 2011, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2011, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 19, 2011, 09:02:13 AM
Christian Ponder will start for the vikings v packers on sunday.

Not a surprise. McNabb has been terrible.

The packer head man mike McCarthy just stated that the pack are 'just seven days away from 7 and 0'.

Idiot.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on October 19, 2011, 06:00:40 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 17, 2011, 03:02:11 AM
Well for anyone going to the Bears vs Bucs game next week  it looks like it will be a better match then expected.

Bucs with a big win against the Saints and the Bears beating up on the Vikes, both teams hitting their strides.

Yes, Harp. I will be there, I go every year and it is a tradition now. Very much looking forward to it. It wasn't a mouthwatering fixture when announced and while they still aren't two elite teams it is a contest that potentially features two teams on the up.

Looking forward to the match and of course the entire weekend
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 19, 2011, 09:21:32 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on October 12, 2011, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: stew on October 12, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 11, 2011, 07:54:41 PM
You have to love Tebow lads, I think he will really spark the Broncos this year. When he played last year he put up big numbers throwing and rushing. The man is an animal - he is built like a linebacker - much more able to take hits than Vick.

What the hell I'm gonna say what a few people are afraid to say - Tebow will be a very good NFL player.

Tebow is a winner, full stop, i think he will figure it out but he has serious mechanical issues that should have been fixed by his college coaches to prepare him for the NFL, they didnt fix them and he will struggle for a while in my opinion, that said he will be a winner in the NFL, he has what it takes.

I don't know if this will show the entire documentary - but if anyone wants to download this - you can see for yourself just how hard Tebow worked post college/pre draft to work on his throwing motion (as well as everything else).

http://everythinginbetween.com/ (http://everythinginbetween.com/)

Its on tonight on ESPN2 at 11.00pm ET
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 20, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
Surprises me (though I'm a Bears fan so biased) that people were/are not too enamoured with the Wembley matchup this season. Bears have the greatest kick returner in the history of the NFL as well as two future hall of fame linebackers. They were a drive away from taking the divisional final to overtime last January and could also possibly have won the Superbowl a few years back - with Rex Grossman at QB!!!!!

Tampa were the feel good, youngry team of last season just missing out on the playoffs in a tough division.

Really looking forward to it. Would like a good game but really want a Bears win. 83-5 da Bears!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2011, 12:33:17 PM
I think it's the Buccs again Seanie. Certainly I'm not overly enthused by the matchup, and these days you tend to pick and choose more. If it was the bears - niners, bears - cowboys or whatever I'd be much more likely to go. I find the Buccs a boring, nondescript team. They're good, but not great. Competitive, but not really exciting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 20, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
da bears still suck, they have the most miserable bastard on the planet for a qb and their best linebacker is past his sell by date, Hester is fantastic and worth the entrance money alone but the bears are now the third best team in the division and will be lucky to make the playoffs.

I just put $300 on the packers to win the superbowl, I am convinced they are going to win it all again, I dont know how you stop them, they are that good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 20, 2011, 06:18:00 PM
Quote from: stew on October 20, 2011, 05:41:49 PM
da bears still suck, they have the most miserable b**tard on the planet for a qb and their best linebacker is past his sell by date, Hester is fantastic and worth the entrance money alone but the bears are now the third best team in the division and will be lucky to make the playoffs.

I just put $300 on the packers to win the superbowl, I am convinced they are going to win it all again, I dont know how you stop them, they are that good.

The only thing with the Packers is that they are playing so well at the moment that you wonder can they keep up their current level of play all season? They are surely bound to hit a speedbump sooner or later. Reminds me of the season when the Patriots went unbeaten and were playing at an even higher level that the Packers are now. Of course then they got to the Superbowl and duly lost it. Granted everything went right for the Giants that day including miracle catches.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 20, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
The Packers aren't that good. They only beat rookie Cam Newtons Panthers by 7. The Rams had more offensive yards than the Packers on sunday. On the plus side the defense and especially Clay Matthews have yet to get going. If they do the Packers could be very hard to beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 20, 2011, 06:35:45 PM
The Packers aren't that good. They only beat rookie Cam Newtons Panthers by 7. The Rams had more offensive yards than the Packers on sunday. On the plus side the defense and especially Clay Matthews have yet to get going. If they do the Packers could be very hard to beat.

I don't see anyone better than them at the minute. Still early enough in the season though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 20, 2011, 10:09:57 PM
Packers are the best at the moment but as mentioned we've seen more dominant teams fail to go all the way. They are bloody good.

Cutler may be a misery guts but he has reason to be and if anything may have grown a pair of nuts recently. Team should be better but has been badly mismanaged. Not sure Detroit are all they are cracked up to be but I struggle to see the Bears getting to 10-6 which will be a minimum requirement to make the playoffs.

Bucs can't be anything else with the way their scummy owners have underfunded them though apparently one Superbowl means they are adored in Tampa. United supporters obviously have higher standards! Must pack my green and gold scarf!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 20, 2011, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 20, 2011, 10:09:57 PM
Packers are the best at the moment but as mentioned we've seen more dominant teams fail to go all the way. They are bloody good.

Cutler may be a misery guts but he has reason to be and if anything may have grown a pair of nuts recently. Team should be better but has been badly mismanaged. Not sure Detroit are all they are cracked up to be but I struggle to see the Bears getting to 10-6 which will be a minimum requirement to make the playoffs.

Bucs can't be anything else with the way their scummy owners have underfunded them though apparently one Superbowl means they are adored in Tampa. United supporters obviously have higher standards! Must pack my green and gold scarf!

Seanie, they are going to get him killed, you dont pick a guy like him up and not get him blockers he needs, the offensive coordinator is seriously going to ruin cutler's future health.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 21, 2011, 11:41:31 AM
Quote from: stew on October 20, 2011, 10:28:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 20, 2011, 10:09:57 PM
Packers are the best at the moment but as mentioned we've seen more dominant teams fail to go all the way. They are bloody good.

Cutler may be a misery guts but he has reason to be and if anything may have grown a pair of nuts recently. Team should be better but has been badly mismanaged. Not sure Detroit are all they are cracked up to be but I struggle to see the Bears getting to 10-6 which will be a minimum requirement to make the playoffs.

Bucs can't be anything else with the way their scummy owners have underfunded them though apparently one Superbowl means they are adored in Tampa. United supporters obviously have higher standards! Must pack my green and gold scarf!

Seanie, they are going to get him killed, you dont pick a guy like him up and not get him blockers he needs, the offensive coordinator is seriously going to ruin cutler's future health.

Agree totally. It's crazy. Things looked better against the Vikings who have a good pass rush despite being a terrible team. TE Spaeth can block and they just need to leave bodies in to help Cutler. Trouble is then the WR's are so ordinary they will struggle to beat their men.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 23, 2011, 08:51:26 PM
Chargers have blown a 21-10 HT lead. Rivers all over the shop. Last chance now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 23, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Interceptions were a killer.  Jets showed well second half.
Vickings new Quarterback has had some start, Ponder on his first play threw a 73 yard completion to the packers 1 yard line.  Finished the drive with a TD completion to Shianco, Mc Nabb looked gutted!
Tebow pulls out the win aswell today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 23, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Boller showing what a complete joke he is at QB. 2 interceptions already and Kansas 14-0 up. Raiders should be rolling over teams like KC.

Game is over if he gets another drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 23, 2011, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 23, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Boller showing what a complete joke he is at QB. 2 interceptions already and Kansas 14-0 up. Raiders should be rolling over teams like KC.

Game is over if he gets another drive.

Who's back up?

What ever happened to Gradkowski? i thought he was decent back up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 23, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 23, 2011, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 23, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Boller showing what a complete joke he is at QB. 2 interceptions already and Kansas 14-0 up. Raiders should be rolling over teams like KC.

Game is over if he gets another drive.

Who's back up?


What ever happened to Gradkowski? i thought he was decent back up

Gradkowski is now with the Bengals ironically, Palmer seems to be the backup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 23, 2011, 10:34:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 23, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 23, 2011, 09:56:46 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 23, 2011, 09:50:04 PM
Boller showing what a complete joke he is at QB. 2 interceptions already and Kansas 14-0 up. Raiders should be rolling over teams like KC.

Game is over if he gets another drive.

Who's back up?


What ever happened to Gradkowski? i thought he was decent back up

Gradkowski is now with the Bengals ironically, Palmer seems to be the backup.

Well the sooner he's ready the better cause Boller is having an absolute mare, 3 int in first half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 23, 2011, 10:42:40 PM
Boller should never play again for the Raiders.  Better letting Carson have the 2nd half to get back in swing than carry on as is. Looks all over anyhow with RunDMC also injured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 24, 2011, 03:32:18 AM
Ponder and the vikings were competitive tonight against the almighty packers. A big overall improvement on the capitulation against the Bears.

I think Ponder has a future in the NFL, time will tell how bright that future will be? The stats 40% completion 2 tds 2ints look mediocre but he didn't throw a pick until the Vikings were well behind and still brought the vikings back into the game with a little help from AD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 24, 2011, 05:19:21 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/cu/ci_19000692

QuoteCU Buffs' punter brings some kick o' the Irish with one of strangest plays of season

By John Henderson
The Denver Post


Colorado punter Darragh O'Neill, a freshman, practices his rugby-style technique Wednesday in Boulder. (Photos by Karl Gehring, The Denver Post )BOULDER — Conor O'Neill's Traditional Irish Pub sits on 13th Street just off the Pearl Street Mall but could very well be on a crowded street in Dublin, or in a country village in County Donegal.

Warm, dark wood accents individual rooms lined with cushiony furniture. Dark pints of Guinness with foamy heads fly through the air like it's last call in Galway. The owner, Colm O'Neill, points to one wall for a wee bit of true Irish flavor. There he is, 21 years ago, grimacing in a team photo before winning Gaelic football's All-Ireland Final for ol' County Cork. On another wall, there's his brother-in-law, Maurice Fitzgerald, winning one for County Kerry.

The bloodlines from those two pictures found their way Saturday

Using a kicking trick that would probably play out only on the pitches of Ireland, Colorado freshman Darragh O'Neill, son of Colm and nephew of Fitzgerald, took the snap. He didn't aim downfield. He took a few sideways steps to his left and aimed a left-footed (he's right-footed) line drive right at the back of Ohio State's Bradley Roby, running with his back to the ball.

And, as O'Neill said with a lilt of an Irish accent, "I tagged him."

The Buffs​ were asleep, though. Ohio State recovered the loose ball on the Buffs' 43 and soon scored its first touchdown in a 37-17 rout. Had CU recovered the ball, it could have been a big early-momentum boost.

"Being able to kick with both feet, the only reason I'm able to do that is because of Gaelic football," O'Neill said.

For O'Neill, CU special-teams coach J.D. Brookhart called it "a little bit of a John Wayne moment." While many punters learn to kick rugby style for direction, Colorado has a guy who only kicked that way well before he ever played American football.

Don't think Colorado (1-3) won't continue trying to take

Darragh O'Neill, who was an all-state point guard at Fairview High School, is 19th in the country in punting. advantage of it. O'Neill is 19th in the country, averaging 43.7 yards per punt.

An odd path to punting

How O'Neill wound up punting in Boulder is a story of culture clash and blind ambition, with a major dosage of life and death. The O'Neills moved to the U.S. from Ireland when Darragh was 3, and he grew up hearing stories about County Kerry vs. County Cork, the Raiders and Broncos of Gaelic football.

Every summer the family returned to Cork, where Darragh played Gaelic football, which is kind of a violent cross between rugby and soccer, except with a soccer-sized ball they kick to pass. He practiced Gaelic football kicks with Fitzgerald, at the time arguably the best player in Ireland.

"Even just seeing him and how unbelievable he was, just kicking around with him made me better," Darragh said.

Knowledge of Gaelic football in Colorado, however, doesn't go much beyond the Denver Gaels, whom he played with while going to Fairview High School. He made his mark as as an all-state point guard who helped lead Fairview to the 2010 Class 5A state title basketball game.

However, college basketball programs thought him too weak and he got only a walk-on offer from the Denver Pioneers. The school's price tag was too steep, so he passed on NCAA Division II offers and came to Boulder to study, figuring his sports career was over.

As a freshman, he sat in the stands at Folsom Field, watching the Buffs struggle to a 5-7 season.

But he loved the spirit in the stands — hey, he's Irish — and told his dad he was thinking of becoming a punter. His dad liked the idea.

"Unless you play goaltender in soccer, no American kid naturally kicks a ball out of his hands," said Colm, wearing a gold CU T-shirt. "That's why Australian Rules or Irish football, you have a huge advantage because how you move the ball is how you punt the ball in American football."

Darragh remembers his first punt going about 15 yards, but last winter he began working out at 6:15 a.m. four days a week — he calls such drive his Irish "fire in the belly" — in the football bubble. He had a decent spring and a better fall, and he has been a fixture as the starting punter since the opener.

"If somebody had told us six months ago that Darragh would even be on the roster at CU, we thought it'd be the biggest joke of all time," Colm said. "There was no chance."

Began vomiting blood

At one time, there was almost no chance Darragh would live to see college.

Near the end of his sophomore year at Fairview, he mysteriously developed Lemierre's syndrome, a deadly bacteria that attacks faster than cancer. He wound up in intensive care for two weeks. For four days, he was on life support. He finally sat up during a brief recovery, but a blood clot moved from his jugular to his lungs. The clots began hemorrhaging. He started vomiting blood.

"As I was puking, my aunt was giving me an oxygen tube," he recalled. "My eyes were as wide as they've ever been. I see my mom sprint out of the room about to faint. Then 15 to 20 nurses all come in. And I was out."

He woke up about four days later and went on to have a full recovery. One day, he happened to spot an e-mail on his dad's computer. It was dated right after his hemorrhaging.

It said he was given last rites.

"I've been taught never to take a day for granted," he said. "Every day's a bonus."

Kind of like the Buffs finding a rugby-style punter in an Irish kid sitting in the stands. If he keeps developing, maybe his dad will change his pub's name.

How does the Buff & Boot sound?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 24, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 23, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Interceptions were a killer.  Jets showed well second half.
Vickings new Quarterback has had some start, Ponder on his first play threw a 73 yard completion to the packers 1 yard line.  Finished the drive with a TD completion to Shianco, Mc Nabb looked gutted!
Tebow pulls out the win aswell today.

What is with the hype over Tebow, beyond the fact that he is appears to be a hero for christians and the homeschool movement?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 24, 2011, 09:28:03 PM
I think the same way to be honest. Not a great qb but who cares - he is a fantasy beast!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 24, 2011, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 24, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 23, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Interceptions were a killer.  Jets showed well second half.
Vickings new Quarterback has had some start, Ponder on his first play threw a 73 yard completion to the packers 1 yard line.  Finished the drive with a TD completion to Shianco, Mc Nabb looked gutted!
Tebow pulls out the win aswell today.

What is with the hype over Tebow, beyond the fact that he is appears to be a hero for christians and the homeschool movement?

Apart from the fact he is, in many circles, considered the single greatest player of all time collegiality, he is a tremendous athlete who is a proven winner, just look at what he did at the end of the game yesterday.

He will take time to develop because his college coaches did feck all to ready him for the next level but he is smart and he is a winner, that is why people are hyped up over him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 24, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
Thats exactly it stew....He was horrible all through the game until the last 3 mins which he threw 2 TD's

Cam Newton is something special, Got his 1st win yesterday, think hes going to be one of the best
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 24, 2011, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 24, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
Thats exactly it stew....He was horrible all through the game until the last 3 mins which he threw 2 TD's

Cam Newton is something special, Got his 1st win yesterday, think hes going to be one of the best

They wont be playing teams as shit as the Dolphins every week though and games would be out of hand very quickly with the way he was playing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on October 24, 2011, 10:42:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 24, 2011, 10:32:39 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 24, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
Thats exactly it stew....He was horrible all through the game until the last 3 mins which he threw 2 TD's

Cam Newton is something special, Got his 1st win yesterday, think hes going to be one of the best

They wont be playing teams as shit as the Dolphins every week though and games would be out of hand very quickly with the way he was playing.

Yea that's true....Dolphins are probably the worst team in the league...I think he'll improve with every game...The believe he has and his team mates have in him is unbelievable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 24, 2011, 10:43:03 PM
Quote from: stew on October 24, 2011, 10:20:14 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 24, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 23, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Interceptions were a killer.  Jets showed well second half.
Vickings new Quarterback has had some start, Ponder on his first play threw a 73 yard completion to the packers 1 yard line.  Finished the drive with a TD completion to Shianco, Mc Nabb looked gutted!
Tebow pulls out the win aswell today.

What is with the hype over Tebow, beyond the fact that he is appears to be a hero for christians and the homeschool movement?

Apart from the fact he is, in many circles, considered the single greatest player of all time collegiality, he is a tremendous athlete who is a proven winner, just look at what he did at the end of the game yesterday.

He will take time to develop because his college coaches did feck all to ready him for the next level but he is smart and he is a winner, that is why people are hyped up over him.

Greatest ever college player? I did not know that.

I hear a lot about him on ESPN radio, some complimentary, some not, but definitely a big talking point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 25, 2011, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: new devil on October 24, 2011, 10:31:16 PM
Thats exactly it stew....He was horrible all through the game until the last 3 mins which he threw 2 TD's

Cam Newton is something special, Got his 1st win yesterday, think hes going to be one of the best

he will be if he studies Rodgers and Brady, he has been unreal so far and it is great to see a black quarterback have his success so early.

Ever notice how Brady is perceived as intelligent, as is Rodgers and Manning, yet when was the last time a black quarterback was described as intelligent??? that sticks in my craw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 25, 2011, 04:23:48 PM
It's not an issue of race. The greatest quarterbacks (i.e. the intelligent ones), just happen to be white right now.

If you tried to call Jamarcus Russell, or Vince Young intelligent you would get your ass handed to you.

Vick would be the most intelligent now - and he's dumb enough to go to jail.

Donovan McNabb - could be a borderline case.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2011, 04:30:46 PM
That's a true point stew, but I think I know the answer. A lot of the black QBs that have come into the league are seen as more athletic than the white guys, (Tebow apart). The tall, statuesque White QB is not seen as particularly athletic. The like of Manning, Brady, etc etc.

The well known black QBs are the likes of Vick, McNabb, etc and they are seen as more athletes than cerebral types.

I would think Randal Cunningham, Doug Williams and Warren Moon would have been seen as 'intelligent' QBs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 29, 2011, 07:45:18 PM
not too much baseball talk on here, but that was some world series, cards down 2-3 and down to last strike of last out(twice) and come back and win, unreal stuff, homers, errors, had it all, thank god for sky+.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 29, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2011, 04:30:46 PM
That's a true point stew, but I think I know the answer. A lot of the black QBs that have come into the league are seen as more athletic than the white guys, (Tebow apart). The tall, statuesque White QB is not seen as particularly athletic. The like of Manning, Brady, etc etc.

The well known black QBs are the likes of Vick, McNabb, etc and they are seen as more athletes than cerebral types.

I would think Randal Cunningham, Doug Williams and Warren Moon would have been seen as 'intelligent' QBs.


But you never heard them described as intelligent.

Newton is the real deal but I have never seen better than Rodgers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 31, 2011, 09:32:07 AM
Christian Ponder had his first win for the Vikings last night beating Cam Newtons Panthers. He looks very promising so far, very good on third downs and the team is reborn with him at the QB position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 31, 2011, 10:23:01 AM
Some tanking for the Cowboys last night which cheered me up after yet another woeful display from the Redskins who i don't think will win another game this season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 31, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: stew on October 24, 2011, 10:20:14 PM


Apart from the fact he is, in many circles, considered the single greatest player of all time collegiality

other than the fact that collegiality isn't word you're looking for, there is no way on earth Tebow is the best college player of all time. However if by saying in many circles you mean the Gator fans born since 1980, you may have a point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
Quote from: heganboy on October 31, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
Quote from: stew on October 24, 2011, 10:20:14 PM


Apart from the fact he is, in many circles, considered the single greatest player of all time collegiality

other than the fact that collegiality isn't word you're looking for, there is no way on earth Tebow is the best college player of all time. However if by saying in many circles you mean the Gator fans born since 1980, you may have a point.

Don't tell me what I am trying to say!

I have seen and heard many national sports reporters who were actually born in the forties, fifties and sixties who believe he was the greatest college player of all time, your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 31, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Apparently he was just brutal yesterday. Maybe he will turn into an NFL player, but he is seriously overhyped. You have to wonder if everyone would be talking about him if not for the Superbowl ad and the religious stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 31, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Apparently he was just brutal yesterday. Maybe he will turn into an NFL player, but he is seriously overhyped. You have to wonder if everyone would be talking about him if not for the Superbowl ad and the religious stuff.

Maybe this will change your mind.

Where do you start with Tim Tebow?

He's one of the most loved and hated players to ever play the game, but you can't deny his success as Florida's quarterback.

He played a role in the Gators' championship season during his freshman season in 2006 and followed that up as the first sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy.

While he never picked up the second Heisman, he was always in the running and also led Florida to the 2008 BCS championship.

Tebow finished with some gaudy statistics, including 88 touchdown passes and 57 touchdown runs. He was only intercepted 15 times in four years.

A simple google search brought up a poll on the top 100 players of all time, it had Tebow placed at 13, now consider this, Favre was on the list as 100, that should tell you how good he was in college.

I have heard him described as the best player of all time at the college level by some of the most respected people who cover football and I will tend to take their word over a gaaboard hack.


88 touchdown passes thrown, 57 rushing td's and only 15 picks in four years, I'd say there has never been a quarterback to come close to those numbers, add to it a Heisman win, a finalist in another one and the national championship and you have a contender for best player of all time in any era.

The stats don't lie over a period of time, his body of work is tremendous.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 31, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 31, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Apparently he was just brutal yesterday. Maybe he will turn into an NFL player, but he is seriously overhyped. You have to wonder if everyone would be talking about him if not for the Superbowl ad and the religious stuff.

Maybe this will change your mind.

Where do you start with Tim Tebow?

He's one of the most loved and hated players to ever play the game, but you can't deny his success as Florida's quarterback.

He played a role in the Gators' championship season during his freshman season in 2006 and followed that up as the first sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy.

While he never picked up the second Heisman, he was always in the running and also led Florida to the 2008 BCS championship.

Tebow finished with some gaudy statistics, including 88 touchdown passes and 57 touchdown runs. He was only intercepted 15 times in four years.

A simple google search brought up a poll on the top 100 players of all time, it had Tebow placed at 13, now consider this, Favre was on the list as 100, that should tell you how good he was in college.

I have heard him described as the best player of all time at the college level by some of the most respected people who cover football and I will tend to take their word over a gaaboard hack.


88 touchdown passes thrown, 57 rushing td's and only 15 picks in four years, I'd say there has never been a quarterback to come close to those numbers, add to it a Heisman win, a finalist in another one and the national championship and you have a contender for best player of all time in any era.

The stats don't lie over a period of time, his body of work is tremendous.

None of that body of work came against NFL Defences. Yesterday's demolision of Tebow by the Detroit D showed what a good Defensive co-ordinator with talent at his disposal can do against him. The more tape NFL co-ordinators get the worse it will be for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 31, 2011, 02:28:09 PM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 31, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Apparently he was just brutal yesterday. Maybe he will turn into an NFL player, but he is seriously overhyped. You have to wonder if everyone would be talking about him if not for the Superbowl ad and the religious stuff.

Maybe this will change your mind.

Where do you start with Tim Tebow?

He's one of the most loved and hated players to ever play the game, but you can't deny his success as Florida's quarterback.

He played a role in the Gators' championship season during his freshman season in 2006 and followed that up as the first sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy.

While he never picked up the second Heisman, he was always in the running and also led Florida to the 2008 BCS championship.

Tebow finished with some gaudy statistics, including 88 touchdown passes and 57 touchdown runs. He was only intercepted 15 times in four years.

A simple google search brought up a poll on the top 100 players of all time, it had Tebow placed at 13, now consider this, Favre was on the list as 100, that should tell you how good he was in college.

I have heard him described as the best player of all time at the college level by some of the most respected people who cover football and I will tend to take their word over a gaaboard hack.


88 touchdown passes thrown, 57 rushing td's and only 15 picks in four years, I'd say there has never been a quarterback to come close to those numbers, add to it a Heisman win, a finalist in another one and the national championship and you have a contender for best player of all time in any era.

The stats don't lie over a period of time, his body of work is tremendous.

Not disputing his college record. However, the NFL is streets ahead of college level and prowess in college doesn't necessarily predict a fine professional career. You brought up Favre. And look how far down the draft Tom Brady was.

I feel a bit sorry for Tebow. He's supposed to be a nice kid, but he's having ridiculous hype and expectations piled upon him, at least partly for what he represents personally.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 31, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 31, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 31, 2011, 01:43:51 PM
Apparently he was just brutal yesterday. Maybe he will turn into an NFL player, but he is seriously overhyped. You have to wonder if everyone would be talking about him if not for the Superbowl ad and the religious stuff.

Maybe this will change your mind.

Where do you start with Tim Tebow?

He's one of the most loved and hated players to ever play the game, but you can't deny his success as Florida's quarterback.

He played a role in the Gators' championship season during his freshman season in 2006 and followed that up as the first sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy.

While he never picked up the second Heisman, he was always in the running and also led Florida to the 2008 BCS championship.

Tebow finished with some gaudy statistics, including 88 touchdown passes and 57 touchdown runs. He was only intercepted 15 times in four years.

A simple google search brought up a poll on the top 100 players of all time, it had Tebow placed at 13, now consider this, Favre was on the list as 100, that should tell you how good he was in college.

I have heard him described as the best player of all time at the college level by some of the most respected people who cover football and I will tend to take their word over a gaaboard hack.


88 touchdown passes thrown, 57 rushing td's and only 15 picks in four years, I'd say there has never been a quarterback to come close to those numbers, add to it a Heisman win, a finalist in another one and the national championship and you have a contender for best player of all time in any era.

The stats don't lie over a period of time, his body of work is tremendous.

None of that body of work came against NFL Defences. Yesterday's demolision of Tebow by the Detroit D showed what a good Defensive co-ordinator with talent at his disposal can do against him. The more tape NFL co-ordinators get the worse it will be for him.

Thats the thing, Detroit had talent at their disposal, Tebow has nothing to work with at all, his WR's cant get open, his line will end up getting him killed and surprise surprise, the team with much more talent won.

If you put him in Green Bay's offense, they would be at least 5-2 if not 6-1, the talent they have is incredible and he would have time to make his reads and have the option to either throw or run, right now he has to run because nobody can get open.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on October 31, 2011, 03:10:03 PM
Totally disagree. Detroit did that to him by stopping him running. They made him throw because they know he's inaccurate. He does not have the arm to be a top NFL QB. The option offense does not work in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 31, 2011, 03:14:27 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on October 31, 2011, 03:10:03 PM
Totally disagree. Detroit did that to him by stopping him running. They made him throw because they know he's inaccurate. He does not have the arm to be a top NFL QB. The option offense does not work in the NFL.

Disagree all you want but it does not change the fact that if your wideouts cannot get open, run the wrong routes and the play calling sucks then even if Brady was under center you would not win, that said he was poor, very poor but the whole team is pure dung.

No disputing he has a ways to go but they will fix his throwing motion and as he continues to play in games he will learn as he goes, the guy is incredibly smart, he will be fine if they draft well, shore up the line and get him one or two viable threats to throw to.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 31, 2011, 08:09:24 PM
He got absolutely no help or protection from his offensive line.  Detroit were rolling over them and having clear shots at Tebow all day.  Put the lad behind the Eagles offensive line last night and we would see a different man. 
That big guy Peters for the Eagles is an absolute beast and you could see he was badly missed.  One stage last night he shifted three men and openend up a massive hole for McCoy to make a large run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 31, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
A good question is why excellence in college doesn't always translate to the NFL yet players like Brady, who were not as hyped, turn out to be A-list.

Surely the basics - timing, speed, decision making, arm strength, mobility must all translate??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 31, 2011, 10:14:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 31, 2011, 09:03:48 PM
A good question is why excellence in college doesn't always translate to the NFL yet players like Brady, who were not as hyped, turn out to be A-list.

Surely the basics - timing, speed, decision making, arm strength, mobility must all translate??

Great point, lets look at those.

Timing, he has none, that is why he will be injured badly before the end of the season due to having ni line to keep him upright.

Speed, he has that in spades.

Decision making, in College, fantastic, in the pro's........... we dont know based on the fact he has little time to react due to the line issues.

Arm strength, he has a ton of arm strength but poor mechanics.

Mobility, for now he is very mobile and he is a specimen, if they do not invest in a line that can give him time to make better decision he will not be in the league two years from now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 31, 2011, 10:43:23 PM
NFL Defenses are way, way better and especially faster than college defenses. I find it hard to see Tebow being a success long term in the NFL but to be fair he won't face as good a pass rush as Detroit every week. It's going to be a roller coaster 'til the end of the season. Look - I admire the guy and hope he does well cos he seems like the kind of guy you'd like to be on the same team as but just can't see it, at QB anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2011, 10:50:59 PM
I also think you will see Cam Newton slowIng up as D coordinators get more film of him, they reckon he had about 12 passes at Auburn that would translate to the NFL so he has probably caught a few teams on the hop. He has really surprised me in fairness. I thought he would have had about 15 int by now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2011, 12:48:05 AM
Poor start by Rivers. When was the last time he made a play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 01, 2011, 01:06:02 AM
He's having a mare so far
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2011, 01:14:45 AM
Unbelievable Geoff.

2 Interceptions in the first quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2011, 01:20:16 AM
Why did I stay up for this?

8-8 could win this division though.

Although Rivers has had some bad luck, he has been attempting 30 yrd bombs on the third down for three weeks now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 01, 2011, 02:04:12 AM
21 penalties in the last 6 quarters against the Chargers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM


Don't tell me what I am trying to say!


your word meant helping out colleagues....


Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!

my life smacks of arrogance according to my wife. As I have said on this board repeatedly what makes this a good discussion board is the opinions on it, and everyone has one, and I'm delighted. I get uppity when mine isn't represented (or it's not taken as gospel- my wife again) as in this case.

Tebow is ranked by many in the top 25 college players, even cracks the top 10 in a few polls but nowhere not even in Florida is he number one. Hence my pointy response.

It's funny Peyton Manning has 4 League MVP awards, but the Colts lose him for the season, and guess what- turns out Manning was actually being under rated...

In my opinion what Reggie Bush is to NFL RBs is what Tebow is to NFL QBs. I'd take Eli Manning over Tebow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 01, 2011, 05:09:48 AM
I said it before and I'll say it again -Tebow is not an NFL QB, he should be converted (no pun) to a TE or Fullback.

Here is an article about his recent game...........http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_morning_rush_tebow_struggles_103111



A list of the top 100 College Football players, I would switch 1 with 2, Tebow makes the top 5. Tim Tebow was a great college QB but not an NFL QB.


http://www.americasbestonline.net/cfootball100.htm

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 01, 2011, 09:13:30 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2011, 02:04:12 AM
21 penalties in the last 6 quarters against the Chargers.
Quote from: ONeill on November 01, 2011, 01:20:16 AM
Why did I stay up for this?

8-8 could win this division though.

Although Rivers has had some bad luck, he has been attempting 30 yrd bombs on the third down for three weeks now.

Big time choke from the chargers, had overcome some very fussy officialdom to get back level and all they had to do was kick it over. Thank god the Pats let me down on Sunday because my bet would have been rolling on to SD and I would now be planning the death of Rivers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LostInSpace on November 01, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
Anyone any idea of when the next game is likely to be played? I will definitely be goin over to it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 01, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM


Don't tell me what I am trying to say!


your word meant helping out colleagues....


Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!

my life smacks of arrogance according to my wife. As I have said on this board repeatedly what makes this a good discussion board is the opinions on it, and everyone has one, and I'm delighted. I get uppity when mine isn't represented (or it's not taken as gospel- my wife again) as in this case.

Tebow is ranked by many in the top 25 college players, even cracks the top 10 in a few polls but nowhere not even in Florida is he number one. Hence my pointy response.

It's funny Peyton Manning has 4 League MVP awards, but the Colts lose him for the season, and guess what- turns out Manning was actually being under rated...

In my opinion what Reggie Bush is to NFL RBs is what Tebow is to NFL QBs. I'd take Eli Manning over Tebow.

Anyone would take Eli manning over Tebow at this stage however one is a rookie and the other is a veteran, hardly a fair comparison.

Peyton Manning is not under-rated, he is a top five qb of all time, he would have struggled with this years vintage with maybe two wins to hius credit, they are woeful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 01, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM


Don't tell me what I am trying to say!


your word meant helping out colleagues....


Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!

my life smacks of arrogance according to my wife. As I have said on this board repeatedly what makes this a good discussion board is the opinions on it, and everyone has one, and I'm delighted. I get uppity when mine isn't represented (or it's not taken as gospel- my wife again) as in this case.

Tebow is ranked by many in the top 25 college players, even cracks the top 10 in a few polls but nowhere not even in Florida is he number one. Hence my pointy response.

It's funny Peyton Manning has 4 League MVP awards, but the Colts lose him for the season, and guess what- turns out Manning was actually being under rated...

In my opinion what Reggie Bush is to NFL RBs is what Tebow is to NFL QBs. I'd take Eli Manning over Tebow.

Anyone would take Eli manning over Tebow at this stage however one is a rookie and the other is a veteran, hardly a fair comparison.

Peyton Manning is not under-rated, he is a top five qb of all time, he would have struggled with this years vintage with maybe two wins to hius credit, they are woeful.

OK. I'll take Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, or Matthew Stafford over Tebow. I totally believe coach Fox is doing this to get Tebow totally out of the franchise and it's fanbase's system. He clearly doesn't believe in him (and he's forgotten more about football than either you or I know), do he's starting him and letting the situation play itself out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 01, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 01, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM


Don't tell me what I am trying to say!


your word meant helping out colleagues....


Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!

my life smacks of arrogance according to my wife. As I have said on this board repeatedly what makes this a good discussion board is the opinions on it, and everyone has one, and I'm delighted. I get uppity when mine isn't represented (or it's not taken as gospel- my wife again) as in this case.

Tebow is ranked by many in the top 25 college players, even cracks the top 10 in a few polls but nowhere not even in Florida is he number one. Hence my pointy response.

It's funny Peyton Manning has 4 League MVP awards, but the Colts lose him for the season, and guess what- turns out Manning was actually being under rated...

In my opinion what Reggie Bush is to NFL RBs is what Tebow is to NFL QBs. I'd take Eli Manning over Tebow.

Anyone would take Eli manning over Tebow at this stage however one is a rookie and the other is a veteran, hardly a fair comparison.

Peyton Manning is not under-rated, he is a top five qb of all time, he would have struggled with this years vintage with maybe two wins to hius credit, they are woeful.

OK. I'll take Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, or Matthew Stafford over Tebow. I totally believe coach Fox is doing this to get Tebow totally out of the franchise and it's fanbase's system. He clearly doesn't believe in him (and he's forgotten more about football than either you or I know), do he's starting him and letting the situation play itself out.

Fix his mechanics, give him the line any of those mentioned has and see what happens.

Manning went 1-15 in his first year I believe, and i am not talking Eli here. This kid needs time and a decent line and he will be fine.

Why you would not want a kid like this on your team is beyond me bar being he is not good enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 01:50:40 PM
who are playing in the big games on Thanksgiving? is that in the next couple of weeks? I always look forward to those games, the hype and furore is brilliant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2011, 01:51:00 PM
"Fix his mechanics"??

Is that as simple as it sounds?

I heard Chris Carter on the radio lambasting both his footwork AND his throwing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 01, 2011, 01:52:48 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 01:50:40 PM
who are playing in the big games on Thanksgiving? is that in the next couple of weeks? I always look forward to those games, the hype and furore is brilliant

Think Green Bay and Detroit is one. I heard one prediction that that will be the Packers first loss!

I'm looking forward to Xmas eve: Giants V Jets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 01, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 01:50:40 PM
who are playing in the big games on Thanksgiving? is that in the next couple of weeks? I always look forward to those games, the hype and furore is brilliant

Packers @ Lions

Dolphins @ Cowboys

49ers @ Ravens

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 01, 2011, 02:11:14 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 01, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM


Don't tell me what I am trying to say!


your word meant helping out colleagues....


Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!

my life smacks of arrogance according to my wife. As I have said on this board repeatedly what makes this a good discussion board is the opinions on it, and everyone has one, and I'm delighted. I get uppity when mine isn't represented (or it's not taken as gospel- my wife again) as in this case.

Tebow is ranked by many in the top 25 college players, even cracks the top 10 in a few polls but nowhere not even in Florida is he number one. Hence my pointy response.

It's funny Peyton Manning has 4 League MVP awards, but the Colts lose him for the season, and guess what- turns out Manning was actually being under rated...

In my opinion what Reggie Bush is to NFL RBs is what Tebow is to NFL QBs. I'd take Eli Manning over Tebow.

Anyone would take Eli manning over Tebow at this stage however one is a rookie and the other is a veteran, hardly a fair comparison.

Peyton Manning is not under-rated, he is a top five qb of all time, he would have struggled with this years vintage with maybe two wins to hius credit, they are woeful.

OK. I'll take Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, or Matthew Stafford over Tebow. I totally believe coach Fox is doing this to get Tebow totally out of the franchise and it's fanbase's system. He clearly doesn't believe in him (and he's forgotten more about football than either you or I know), do he's starting him and letting the situation play itself out.

Fix his mechanics, give him the line any of those mentioned has and see what happens.

Manning went 1-15 in his first year I believe, and i am not talking Eli here. This kid needs time and a decent line and he will be fine.

Why you would not want a kid like this on your team is beyond me bar being he is not good enough.

Answered your own question there fella. Also Denver has some of the better young O-line players in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 01, 2011, 02:14:31 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 01, 2011, 02:11:14 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 01, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 12:46:47 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM


Don't tell me what I am trying to say!


your word meant helping out colleagues....


Quote from: stew on October 31, 2011, 01:39:44 PM
your post smacked of arrogance but to be fair, I am not that into college football but I will take the word of nationally renowned football men over yours, no offense mate!

my life smacks of arrogance according to my wife. As I have said on this board repeatedly what makes this a good discussion board is the opinions on it, and everyone has one, and I'm delighted. I get uppity when mine isn't represented (or it's not taken as gospel- my wife again) as in this case.

Tebow is ranked by many in the top 25 college players, even cracks the top 10 in a few polls but nowhere not even in Florida is he number one. Hence my pointy response.

It's funny Peyton Manning has 4 League MVP awards, but the Colts lose him for the season, and guess what- turns out Manning was actually being under rated...

In my opinion what Reggie Bush is to NFL RBs is what Tebow is to NFL QBs. I'd take Eli Manning over Tebow.

Anyone would take Eli manning over Tebow at this stage however one is a rookie and the other is a veteran, hardly a fair comparison.

Peyton Manning is not under-rated, he is a top five qb of all time, he would have struggled with this years vintage with maybe two wins to hius credit, they are woeful.

OK. I'll take Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Sam Bradford, or Matthew Stafford over Tebow. I totally believe coach Fox is doing this to get Tebow totally out of the franchise and it's fanbase's system. He clearly doesn't believe in him (and he's forgotten more about football than either you or I know), do he's starting him and letting the situation play itself out.

Fix his mechanics, give him the line any of those mentioned has and see what happens.

Manning went 1-15 in his first year I believe, and i am not talking Eli here. This kid needs time and a decent line and he will be fine.

Why you would not want a kid like this on your team is beyond me bar being he is not good enough.

Answered your own question there fella. Also Denver has some of the better young O-line players in the league.

You dont know if he is good enough or not yet,. nobody does! it's called time to develop.

Denvers O line is complete and utter shite, they couldnt stop a nose bleed so i have a hard time believing they are good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 03:15:58 PM
Doesn't look like he is putting the fear of God into his opponents:
from http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_morning_rush_tebow_struggles_103111


DENVER – During more than two decades of covering the NFL, I've heard players disparage opponents on numerous occasions. As a journalist who has yet to be crushed by the proliferation of trash-talk, I've happily facilitated this dastardly dissing and shared it with the masses when given the chance.

Usually, these statements are designed to rile a rival, or to send a message that a player and his team won't be intimidated. On Sunday at Sports Authority Field at Mile High, however, Tim Tebow(notes) was disrobed and demystified by a superior team – and then the young quarterback got low-blowed with a degree of disrespect that blew my mind.


Louis Delmas and the Lions turned Tim Tebow's world upside down.
(AP)
"Can you believe '15'?" one Detroit Lions defender asked after his team's 45-10 immolation of Tebow and the Denver Broncos. "Come on – that's embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke. We knew all week that if we brought any kind of defensive pressure, he couldn't do anything. In the second half it got boring out there. We were like, 'Come on – that's your quarterback? Seriously?' "

It would be one thing if this particular defender could be written off as an outlier, but during the time I spent in the Lions' locker room after the game – and, later, on the phone with various coaches, front-office executives and players around the league – similarly harsh assessments were uttered about the second-year quarterback making his second start of the 2011 season.

Words like atrocious, terrible, completely exposed and not even close to ready kept coming up in these conversations; a couple of Lions even used the term oh my god. They did not appear to be mocking Tebow's devout Christian beliefs – however, at least two Detroit players (middle linebacker Stephen Tulloch(notes) and tight end Tony Scheffler(notes)) made a point of "Tebowing" during the game, imitating the prayerful pose the quarterback struck following the previous Sunday's stunning overtime victory over the Miami Dolphins.


The point that was driven home on Sunday, and quite forcefully, was this: Against a crappy team like the winless Dolphins, the possibility exists that Tebow can get away with 55 minutes of flaccid football and, with the help of a blessed onside-kick recovery, add to the legend forged at Florida, where he had one of the most decorated college football careers of all time. However, against an emerging power like the Lions (6-2), he's as overmatched and vulnerable as an adolescent's eardrums in the front row of a Nickelback concert.

"As long as he felt our pressure," said Lions defensive end Cliff Avril(notes), whose third-quarter sack/fumble/recovery/return produced one of Detroit's two defensive scores, "he was gonna make crazy decisions."

In fairness, Tebow's 18-for-39, 172-yard performance – numbers padded considerably by garbage-time completions, if you can believe that – wasn't solely the product of dubious choices. His limited skill set was also on display, from an acute lack of accuracy, to a deliberate delivery (Avril dislodged the ball while Tebow was extending his arm backward before attempting to pass), to an apparent uncertainty about where to go with the ball.

None of this was necessarily a surprise to the Broncos' brass, including coach John Fox and executive vice president of football operations John Elway. Tebow's flaws were obvious to all trained observers during training camp, which is why veteran Kyle Orton(notes) was named the team's unquestioned starter in August.

Orton's struggles – and Denver (2-5) losing four of its first five games – caused the Broncos' decision-makers to call an audible, a move greeted by great popular acclaim. Yet it's hard to imagine that Elway, one of the greatest quarterbacks in football history, saw anything he didn't expect on Sunday. It was as if, by starting Tebow, he said to the 74,977 fans at Mile High, "You wanted this guy? OK, then ... Heeeerrrree's Timmy!"

Said one Lions offensive player: "It was like, 'See? Here's why ...' "

Realistically, playing Tebow makes sense on a practical level. Trading up to pick him in the first round of the 2010 draft was the highest-profile move of former coach Josh McDaniels' reign of error, and even if the Broncos plan to trade or cut Tebow after 2011, it behooves them to evaluate his potential under game conditions.

It's not Tebow's fault that his draft position heightened already inflated expectations, or that McDaniels got fired last December and a new regime less enthusiastic about the quarterback's abilities was installed. And it's debatable whether the kid has a fighting chance given Denver's obvious talent deficiencies.

"Can you believe '15'? Come on – that's embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke. We knew all week that if we brought any kind of defensive pressure, he couldn't do anything. In the second half it got boring out there. We were like, 'Come on – that's your quarterback? Seriously?'
– Unnamed Detroit Lions defender

Again, this reflects poorly on McDaniels, now the St. Louis Rams' offensive coordinator, whose record as a first-time talent evaluator is proving to be Millenesque. He made eight picks in the first two rounds of the 2009 and 2010 drafts, yet that crop yielded only three current starters: Tebow, guard Zane Beadles(notes) and defensive end Robert Ayers(notes). Of McDaniels' 19 picks overall, only eight are on Denver's active roster, three in reserve roles.

So, is Tebow being judged in an unfairly harsh light? His legions of fans would undoubtedly answer in the affirmative. They revere him for his work ethic, his values, his leadership qualities and, not insignificantly, his faith.

However – and this is a big however – there's a glaring disconnect between many fans' assessment of Tebow's status as a wholesome winner and the way many NFL players process his presence. To some, the notion that Tebow somehow pushes harder or taps into a higher power than they do is insulting. The NFL is full of maniacally driven grinders who've overcome incredible odds to reach the pinnacle of their profession, and many of them are clean-living and well-mannered, too.

While few NFL players seem to have a problem with Tebow on a personal level, I know plenty who are put off by the mythology and the holier-than-thou fan base that lionizes his every accomplishment and perceives negative depictions of his ability through a persecution-complex-tinted prism.

The result, as we saw on Sunday, is in-your-face Tebowing: Tulloch, after a first-quarter sack, literally knelt over the fallen Tebow while striking the pose. He later said he meant no disrespect – and Tulloch is a thoughtful veteran hardly known for his insolence – but neither he nor his teammates were overly apologetic, either.

After a decade as the NFL's laughingstock, these Lions are embracing a Bad Boy image similar to that of the '80s Pistons, with second-year defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh(notes) playing the role of Bill Laimbeer. On Friday, an NFL.com headline portrayed Sunday's showdown as a struggle between good and evil, with accompanying photos of Tebow and Suh.

"Evil prevails," Suh told reporters after a defensive effort that included seven sacks.

How torturous was it? With 11 minutes left in the game, not long after he'd served up a 100-yard interception return to Lions cornerback Chris Houston(notes), Tebow was 8-for-26 for 85 yards. At one point, the Broncos had seven consecutive three-play drives. He ran 10 times for 63 yards, getting pummeled by safety Louis Delmas(notes) after a 12-yard scramble on the final play of the third quarter. When he threw, he seemed locked in on his primary receiver.

That "IN-COM-PLETE" cheer that Broncos fans like to bust out for opposing passers? They might want to come up with an alternate version to herald Tebow's completions.

Afterward, Fox refused to commit to Tebow as his starter for next Sunday's game against the Raiders in Oakland. "It's too early to say," he told reporters.

A source familiar with the Broncos' thinking said he expected Tebow to last another couple of games until – barring a dramatic improvement on the left-hander's part – the team turns to current third-stringer Brady Quinn(notes), a 2007 first-round pick of the Cleveland Browns. The Broncos would then target a quarterback in the first round of next April's draft, with a trio of Big 12 passers – Oklahoma's Landry Jones, Baylor's Robert Griffin and Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden – the likeliest candidates at this point. The draft's projected top QB prize, Andrew Luck, would presumably be off the board before Denver picks.

Until then, the Tebow Dream lives on, albeit in a slightly battered and heavily disrespected state after Sunday's thrashing.

"You've got to go out there and get better," Tebow told reporters in his postgame news conference. "[If] you want it to be different, then make it different."

If he's going to make it different in Denver, he'd better get better soon. For right now, as some of Tebow's opponents will gladly attest, it appears as though he doesn't have a prayer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 01, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
That last article has me convinced.   :-\

The Lions will get their shit handed to them on Thanksgiving day, Rodgers will destroy them and  once that game is won Detroit will be lucky to scrape into the playoffs, I hope they don't, I hope it is the bears that get in because they are in green Bays pocket.

I was hoping the Lions would do well this year, no more, they have accomplished nothing and since they are in the same division as the pack they will continue to do nothing because the pack are building a dynasty and the bears are just as good as Detroit.

One last thought, if Tebow was black they would not have said half of the things they said in that article, reverse racism, I think so.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 07:00:04 PM

One last thought, if Tebow was black they would not have said half of the things they said in that article, reverse racism, I think so.

I've heard it all now. You have got to be kidding?

Maybe it's because eye's a guy- if he was a girl there wouldn't be any of this sort of stuff either. Or maybe its because he's straight or he's a Christian. Actually you know what its because of his name Tim, Tim's get it tough.

Or maybe its because he's not good enough for the NFL (yet- i'll give you that even though I don't think he'll make it)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 08:24:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 01, 2011, 01:56:05 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on November 01, 2011, 01:50:40 PM
who are playing in the big games on Thanksgiving? is that in the next couple of weeks? I always look forward to those games, the hype and furore is brilliant

Packers @ Lions

Dolphins @ Cowboys

49ers @ Ravens

Looking like a good line up, 1st two games will create some buzz
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 01, 2011, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 07:00:04 PM

One last thought, if Tebow was black they would not have said half of the things they said in that article, reverse racism, I think so.

I've heard it all now. You have got to be kidding?

Do you think there is no reverse racism in the NFL??? The verbiage they used in that article would never be used to describe a black athlete, never.

Maybe it's because eye's a guy- if he was a girl there wouldn't be any of this sort of stuff either. Or maybe its because he's straight or he's a Christian. Actually you know what its because of his name Tim, Tim's get it tough.

it's an opinion, my opinion, nothing to do with his name, who he shags or his faith.

Or maybe its because he's not good enough for the NFL (yet- i'll give you that even though I don't think he'll make it)

Professionals should  never call each other out like that and by the way, a Detroit player who sacked Rodgers last season called him a effin cracker as he knocked seven shades of bleep out of him, I suppose he did that because he was a straight Christian boy named Aaron.  ::)

I know he will make it, maybe he isnt cut out to be a QB but believe me they will find a home for him somewhere, he is too good an athlete not to.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 02, 2011, 09:11:34 AM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: heganboy on November 01, 2011, 08:20:35 PM
Quote from: stew on November 01, 2011, 07:00:04 PM

One last thought, if Tebow was black they would not have said half of the things they said in that article, reverse racism, I think so.

I've heard it all now. You have got to be kidding?

Do you think there is no reverse racism in the NFL??? The verbiage they used in that article would never be used to describe a black athlete, never.

Maybe it's because eye's a guy- if he was a girl there wouldn't be any of this sort of stuff either. Or maybe its because he's straight or he's a Christian. Actually you know what its because of his name Tim, Tim's get it tough.

it's an opinion, my opinion, nothing to do with his name, who he shags or his faith.

Or maybe its because he's not good enough for the NFL (yet- i'll give you that even though I don't think he'll make it)

Professionals should  never call each other out like that and by the way, a Detroit player who sacked Rodgers last season called him a effin cracker as he knocked seven shades of bleep out of him, I suppose he did that because he was a straight Christian boy named Aaron.  ::)

I know he will make it, maybe he isnt cut out to be a QB but believe me they will find a home for him somewhere, he is too good an athlete not to.

Nail on head
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 02, 2011, 10:40:41 AM
Quotemaybe he isnt cut out to be a QB but believe me they will find a home for him somewhere, he is too good an athlete not to.

on a rugby field in Europe would be his best bet  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 02, 2011, 02:24:31 PM
The window of opportunity for Tebow is not big. Another horror show from him and the Broncos will be able to say to their fans "see we told you he wasn't ready". Not to mention there are some very good QB's in next year's draft like Andrew Luck and Landry Jones. Lads who will probably go straight into starting QB slots on an NFL team so there will be even less space for a project with questionable fundamentals like Tebow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 02, 2011, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 02, 2011, 02:24:31 PM
The window of opportunity for Tebow is not big. Another horror show from him and the Broncos will be able to say to their fans "see we told you he wasn't ready". Not to mention there are some very good QB's in next year's draft like Andrew Luck and Landry Jones. Lads who will probably go straight into starting QB slots on an NFL team so there will be even less space for a project with questionable fundamentals like Tebow.
He deserves a chance but will probably not get it, it is a win now league but if it was me I would give him the experience the rest of the way to see if he can tighten up, i am sure he can, it's not as if he is thick now is it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jonah on November 04, 2011, 05:13:40 PM
Can anyone explain why LA Galaxy were playing New York Red Bulls in the Western Conf semi final the other night?
Also is there anywhere I can watch MLS games online?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyssam5 on November 04, 2011, 05:51:56 PM
Quote from: Jonah on November 04, 2011, 05:13:40 PM
Can anyone explain why LA Galaxy were playing New York Red Bulls in the Western Conf semi final the other night?
Also is there anywhere I can watch MLS games online?

Top 3 in East and West go through, then next 4 overall in the standings (wildcards). NYRB sneaked in at 10th (last wildcard)) spot, but they beat Dallas who are a Western team thus ending up in the Western conf semis.
espn3 is an online channel but you probably need a US IP address, vipvox etc might work for you.

Keane has looked lively enough coming back from injury, should be in decent form for the Estonia play-offs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 04, 2011, 07:38:28 PM
I don't think Tebow is good enough. At college level Cam Newton is jogging into the End Zone and smiling as he scores again and again. He wasn't playing at 50%, he was and is a natural athlete and now at the Pro level is excelling.
Tebow was at 110% at college level and thats what made him great. He is a modern day Rudy, albeit twice the size. Hard work will only get you so far in the Pros. I don't think Tebow makes it.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2011, 11:51:35 PM
Looking forward to LSU Alabama tomorrow.  Should be a great game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on November 05, 2011, 01:18:15 AM
Backed the Rams at 5/4 lads, Kevin Kolb looking doubtful to play. Think its worth a bet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 05, 2011, 01:38:38 AM
It will depend on Kolb, if he doesnt start you should be on a winner.  Think 49ers is my pick for the weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 05, 2011, 03:49:30 AM
Quote from: The Claw on November 05, 2011, 01:18:15 AM
Backed the Rams at 5/4 lads, Kevin Kolb looking doubtful to play. Think its worth a bet.

Rams QB is questionable for the game as well if he is out too close to call.

Carmen's pick is as close to a sure thing as you will get for sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 05, 2011, 03:51:58 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 04, 2011, 11:51:35 PM
Looking forward to LSU Alabama tomorrow.  Should be a great game.

THE game of the year, Bama by 3, roll tide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 05, 2011, 09:12:20 AM
Quote from: The Claw on November 05, 2011, 01:18:15 AM
Backed the Rams at 5/4 lads, Kevin Kolb looking doubtful to play. Think its worth a bet.

Kolb has been disappointing for the Cardinals. He is hardly the bigvdifferejce maker in this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 05, 2011, 09:52:56 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 05, 2011, 09:12:20 AM
Quote from: The Claw on November 05, 2011, 01:18:15 AM
Backed the Rams at 5/4 lads, Kevin Kolb looking doubtful to play. Think its worth a bet.

Kolb has been disappointing for the Cardinals. He is hardly the bigvdifferejce maker in this game.

iI'd agree capt Pat i'm pretty sure i heard on one of the nfl programmes that he has only won 3 of the 14 games that he started
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 05, 2011, 04:12:00 PM
Got 2 hundy riding on bama, I will be watching this one with great interest. I think Bama will win this one by double digits.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on November 06, 2011, 01:56:54 PM
LSU won 9-6 in overtime.

Watched the first half on a poor enough stream and enjoyed it even if it was a bit of a slugfest. Alabama will be kicking themselves that they lost this. Missed far too many field goals. They certainly looked the better team during what I saw of the match.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 06, 2011, 03:29:13 PM
Was watching this game and on ESPN America, but ESPN had Kansas agin Oklahoma St, what a game 52-45 compared to 9-6, everytime I flicked back I had missed 1 or 2 TDs, yer man Klien is some pup, Im only getting into this craic but does that put Okla State no2 as they were No3 before last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 06, 2011, 10:09:09 PM
Cry Me A Rivers.

2 interceptions in the first quarter resulting in 2 TDs for the Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on November 06, 2011, 11:22:34 PM
Hello American sports fans, first time visit to this thread.
Gonna be in NYC in Dec and would love to go watch the Knicks play. What are the chances that the NBA schedule will be up and running by then - I know Nov's games all off, but know nothing about the saga.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2011, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: Rois on November 06, 2011, 11:22:34 PM
Hello American sports fans, first time visit to this thread.
Gonna be in NYC in Dec and would love to go watch the Knicks play. What are the chances that the NBA schedule will be up and running by then - I know Nov's games all off, but know nothing about the saga.
I think there is a decision due on Wednesday but I don't know if anything will be resolved this side of Xmas. The last lockout 10 years or so ago went on until February of the following year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 07, 2011, 12:39:37 AM
That was a fantastic game to watch - Packers 45 Chargers 38.

3 interceptions on Rivers. He's costing them at the same time as the odd flash of brilliance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2011, 12:42:06 AM
Quote from: ONeill on November 07, 2011, 12:39:37 AM
That was a fantastic game to watch - Packers 45 Chargers 38.

3 interceptions on Rivers. He's costing them at the same time as the odd flash of brilliance.
Was reading there that he threw 4 for 385 yards and still lost!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on November 07, 2011, 08:15:32 AM
Big win for the Giants last night.Brady was badly out of sorts though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2011, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: Rois on November 06, 2011, 11:22:34 PM
Hello American sports fans, first time visit to this thread.
Gonna be in NYC in Dec and would love to go watch the Knicks play. What are the chances that the NBA schedule will be up and running by then - I know Nov's games all off, but know nothing about the saga.
I think there is a decision due on Wednesday but I don't know if anything will be resolved this side of Xmas. The last lockout 10 years or so ago went on until February of the following year.

It's not looking good at the minute Rois. The players are going to vote on decertification of the union which could mean a two year trawl through the courts. The only thing is the vote can't happen for 35 days so it would mean that the pressure would really be on during those 35 days to get a deal done or definitely lose this entire season and possibly some of the next one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 07, 2011, 10:13:10 AM
Really good night of games last evening. Pack score 45 and are nearly brought to overtime! Rodgers is ridiculous but they can be scored against, defense not up to last years playoff level. Rivers seems to only want to throw the ball to two guys. He's giving away a lot of picks but he is capable of brilliance too. New England's pass defense is rubbish but it took Eli a long time to capitalise. He was missing his two best weapons granted. Tebow did the business. No turnovers this week and 100+ yards rushing. He has some good throws and many terrible ones but they got the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on November 07, 2011, 11:09:34 AM
Cracker of a game between packers & chargers. Looked all over when chargers went 3 TDs behind but got a TD, recovered the onside and got another quick TD. Their defense is terrible this year compared to last, VJax was wide open in the end zone for his 3TDs.
After last nights game i dont think the packers are as far ahead of others as before, a rejuvinated eagles or if the saints could tidy it up on defense could catch them in a one off playoff game...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 07, 2011, 11:31:25 AM
What about those Cardinals!!!!???!! Two muck teams in fairness. In the 4th quarter it was tied at 13 each, the Rams had 3 field goals and 2(!) safeties. Cardinals two FGs and a Larry Mac Gearailt TD. Cardinals arse up a chance to drive to win the game, and let the Rams march down the field. Then they hold them to a field goal attempt, which they block!

In Overtime, the Rams win the toss, but go three and out, before punting to Patrick Peterson, who promptly takes it 99 yards to the house.

2-6 baby!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 07, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
Ravens and Steelers was a good game too if you stayed up for it, both QBs had 300 yards passing. Ray Rice went to the house for 80 yards on the first play before being called back for a hold. The Ravens then drove 80 yards for a field goal after which the defenses tightened up. Ravens were on top for a long time before the Steelers took the lead with a TD5 minutes to go. Torrey Smith was dropping and missing potential big play passes all night including a wide open td when 4 points down with 30 seconds to go. Then after another bad drop by Boldin Smith gets open with 10 seconds to go for the winning TD. The stadium emptied before the Steelers caught the kick and ran off the final two plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 07, 2011, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: declan85 on November 07, 2011, 11:09:34 AM
Cracker of a game between packers & chargers. Looked all over when chargers went 3 TDs behind but got a TD, recovered the onside and got another quick TD. Their defense is terrible this year compared to last, VJax was wide open in the end zone for his 3TDs.
After last nights game i dont think the packers are as far ahead of others as before, a rejuvinated eagles or if the saints could tidy it up on defense could catch them in a one off playoff game...

The packers took their foot off the gas, the game was only going to have one winner.

It does not matter how many you put up, Rodgers will put up more.

The packs D continues to pick teams off, why? because they are forced to throw the ball as they are playing from behind all the time.

Tebow got the job done again, fair play to him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on November 07, 2011, 03:16:53 PM
Quote from: stew on November 07, 2011, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: declan85 on November 07, 2011, 11:09:34 AM
Cracker of a game between packers & chargers. Looked all over when chargers went 3 TDs behind but got a TD, recovered the onside and got another quick TD. Their defense is terrible this year compared to last, VJax was wide open in the end zone for his 3TDs.
After last nights game i dont think the packers are as far ahead of others as before, a rejuvinated eagles or if the saints could tidy it up on defense could catch them in a one off playoff game...

The packers took their foot off the gas, the game was only going to have one winner.

It does not matter how many you put up, Rodgers will put up more.

The packs D continues to pick teams off, why? because they are forced to throw the ball as they are playing from behind all the time.

Tebow got the job done again, fair play to him.

Your right that there was always going to be one winner after Rivers 2 pick 6's in the first quarter, it was too much to ask. I thought Rodgers and the offense played all out til the end and the Chargers D made 2 good stops near the end to give their team a chance. It was blown coverages by their D, not taking the foot off the gas that let the Chargers back in...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 07, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
The packers are now going to play three games in eleven days, that is absolutely criminal in my opinion, they play the viqueens on Monday night, then they have to play again on Sunday and of course they are playing the third game, on the road to a divisional rival Thanksgiving day.

Not a chance in hell they beat Detroit in Detroit, they will be battered and bruised and I believe this will be the first game they will lose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 07, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
They will win the division easily regardless and probably have home field advantage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 07, 2011, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 07, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on November 07, 2011, 12:20:33 AM
Quote from: Rois on November 06, 2011, 11:22:34 PM
Hello American sports fans, first time visit to this thread.
Gonna be in NYC in Dec and would love to go watch the Knicks play. What are the chances that the NBA schedule will be up and running by then - I know Nov's games all off, but know nothing about the saga.
I think there is a decision due on Wednesday but I don't know if anything will be resolved this side of Xmas. The last lockout 10 years or so ago went on until February of the following year.

It's not looking good at the minute Rois. The players are going to vote on decertification of the union which could mean a two year trawl through the courts. The only thing is the vote can't happen for 35 days so it would mean that the pressure would really be on during those 35 days to get a deal done or definitely lose this entire season and possibly some of the next one.

You know, the more I think of this the more I think we'll have a deal sooner rather than later. The league and the owners dont mind missing a season if they get what they want, but I think that the rank and file players will cave sooner or later. The stars can afford a long lockout but those below th etop couple of tiers cannot.

Dont mind me, I've been going back and forward on this alot. I have Lockout Manic Depression. As much as I enjoy football I cant do without basketball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 08, 2011, 09:55:48 AM
Glad I did the split shift sleep last night though will be hanging by the end of the day here. Good game and again Lovie Smith manages to outsmart Andy Reid. Bears defense put in a good performance to stop Vick hitting his rhythm. Cutler continues to improve and impress. One drive in particular was a highlight reel and crucially - he wasn't sacked. The offensive line is doing its job at last and if they can continue to protect Cutler, he will cut defenses open. Yeah he looks sulky and may take one or two more ill advised throws on that he should but he is a good QB. Forte, despite two uncharacteristic fumbles was a beast again. Jerry Angelo and his clowns that didn't tie his contract up preseason are watching the price go up and up.

So now 5-3 with a couple of big home games coming. Sunday night against the Lions is massive, a win there would have da Bears in good nick to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 08, 2011, 11:44:24 AM
For Rois... Assuming the lockout ends in time, decent tickets to the Knicks can be hard to get, even more so since Anthony and Stoudemire signed. If its the Lakers or Heat they're playing, it will be especially tough. Stubhub is a good alternate source if the box office has nothing decent.

There's always the Nets across in Newark. A lot of the time they're not even half full. They're moving to Brooklyn soon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on November 08, 2011, 12:58:26 PM
Thanks J70 - a colleague of mine from Belfast works in our NY office and thought he could help me out with Knicks ones, but as it will probably be last minute I will def try the Nets.  It's just for the NBA experience, otherwise we could try to get to a college game in either Miami or NY but I'd rather go for NBA. 

The Knicks game I'd be there for is against Minnesota so not a glamour tie.  And just checked - the the Nets play Philadelphia when we're there (well, if it happens). 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 08, 2011, 02:51:33 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 08, 2011, 12:58:26 PM
Thanks J70 - a colleague of mine from Belfast works in our NY office and thought he could help me out with Knicks ones, but as it will probably be last minute I will def try the Nets.  It's just for the NBA experience, otherwise we could try to get to a college game in either Miami or NY but I'd rather go for NBA. 

The Knicks game I'd be there for is against Minnesota so not a glamour tie.  And just checked - the the Nets play Philadelphia when we're there (well, if it happens).

Go to the Knicks if at all possible. One of the NBA's best crowds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 08, 2011, 02:52:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 07, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
They will win the division easily regardless and probably have home field advantage.

I agree Seanie, i see them repeating and they will be a major factore for a decade to come, they are one of the youngest teams in the league.

Woodson will be moved to safety next season, time is starting to catch up with the man but he is a tremendous player, a bit like Paul McGrath, cant train during the week but shows up on Sundays and gets the job done like no other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 08, 2011, 09:52:02 PM
Haynesworth just got cut by the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2011, 10:33:23 PM
Sad story emanating from Pennsylvania the last couple of days. It looks as if Joe Paternos 46 year reign as head coach of Penn State is going to come to an end under very unsettling circumstances. Rumours abound that Paterno failed to report an incident of child sex abuse by one of his assistant coaches back in the early 2000s, and this man has since been charged with 8 counts, of which this is one. Chance are that Paterno will be fired, or resign, because of this, which will be a sorry end to a great career including the most Div 1 wins of all time.

Alex Ferguson is lauded rightly for his longevity as manager of Man United, but consider that when Paterno won his first game with the Nittany Lions (1966):

England had just won the World Cup, in Soccer!
No British team had ever won the European Cup.
Galway had just won the third of their 3 Sams in a row.
Lyndon B Johnson was president of the USA, after Kennedys assassination.
Pope Paul VI was in the Vatican
Dev was Irish PResident
Charles de Gaulle was a politician, not an Airport
Harold Wilson was PM of the UK.
The Vietnam War was in full swing
Jack Lynch was about to take over from Sean Lemass as taoiseach,



When you think about it, it is some time to be in one job, never mind a job like head coach of a big time programme like Penn State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 08, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
It is a very sad story, AZ, not merely for Joe Pa and Penn State but of course for the kids involved.  Don't know all the particulars and was disappointed that Joe P's standard press conference ahead of the Nebraska game was cancelled.

The article by a diehard long-time Nittany Lion supporter on grantland.com is compelling reading.

It would be fair to say that "Happy Valley" is no longer the idyllic happy place it once seemed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 08, 2011, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 08, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
It is a very sad story, AZ, not merely remotely for Joe Pa and Penn State but of course for the kids involved.  Don't know all the particulars and was disappointed that Joe P's standard press conference ahead of the Nebraska game was cancelled.

The article by a diehard long-time Nittany Lion supporter on grantland.com is compelling reading.

It would be fair to say that "Happy Valley" is no longer the idyllic happy place it once seemed.

If there was so much as an inkling - then the legacy means nothing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 10, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
I don't feel sorry for Joe Pa at all - the only ones that people should feel sorry for are those kids
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 10, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
He's been fired, and rightly so. Its easy to sit in judgement and who knows how any of us would act in such difficult circumstances, but standards still have to be set and adhered to, especially with young children the victims. Close shades of what happened in the catholic church and Irish society for all those years with everyone passing the buck and turning a blind eye.

As for the moronic students rioting last night after his sacking....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 10, 2011, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 10, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
I don't feel sorry for Joe Pa at all - the only ones that people should feel sorry for are those kids

Agree 100%.

Paterno did report the incident to his AD as it was told him by someone else on the campus, that was all he did, he is in no danger of getting in trouble with the law however he failed to follow up and make sure the incident was being handled, not only that but the alleged rapist of multiple boys continued to work out at the campus as late as last week, that is reprehensible and Paterno should have been fired, they need to clean house.

The absolute worst though was the bastard intern who saw this child being raped, he saw what the kid being raped, what was his repsonse? to call hid daddy who told him to get the fcuk outta there, he left the kid to get raped and his father endorsed it by taking care of his son, they should do time and probably will as they lied under oath. I hope the cnuts rot in jail.

Penn State is no more, I will forever call the school State Penn because they are a corrupt, evil shower of bastards who put the almighty dollar over the safety of over 40 kids raped by this bastard since.

paterno is not legally responsible but he is by moral standards, he needed to go and I will shed no tears for him, were was his empathy for the victims, his legacy is forever tarnished due to this situation and he has no one to blame but himself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 10, 2011, 03:08:51 PM
I was one of two coaching directors at the club I coach for, there were severe doubts about one of the coaches in the club who had been acting weird for the three years he had been coaching, he was supposed to be fired by my fellow director the year before but he is a fan of the guy and kept him around. The upshot of it was he had taken pictures of 13 year old girls in the swimming pool and no one ever saw the pictures and he had taken one of the kids to a game 30 miles away without the parents permission, shit like that he was at all the time.

I had two conversations with him and told him he was on his last legs and that he had to have an assistant with him at all times, practices and games, he freaked out, another red flag.

The final straw was when he sent the president of the clubs daughter a facebook friend request on her 15th birthday, she was having dinner with her family and she look at her phone and said" who is this creeper" her dad looked at it and went ballistic, he was the one who wanted the guy fired the year before but he stepped down as his term was up.

His older daughter was there and he had also contacted her, in fact, after investigation it came out that he had over 200 female friends on facebook and 3 male friends, his brothers and a cousin. The youngest of his friends was 11 and he had even started to branch out and hit up the clubs players friends who were 11 and 12.

I wanted him gone, you cannot take a chance, my fellow Director said no, that he had worked hard to bring the guy back and he would vouch for him, given the fact that people had finally stepped up and come forward with stories about this guy and more things surfaced it went to the committee, when it became apparent my votes to oust him would carry the day the new President, who was a family friend decided she would decide what to do, .......................she put him on probation.

The reason for this drawn out story is this, by the time two members of the board were finished, this guys woes were my fault, the parents of the childrens
fault and the children themselves fault, they blamed everybody except the coach himself, the kids were at fault because apparently you have to be thirteen to be on facebook.

I resigned  but before I did I got to fire the fcuker because he was seen to poke the breast of a 14 year old girl prior to a game, he was adamant he had nothing done wrong and I told him i was disgusted by him and that he was not to be anywhere near the sidelines of any of our teams games, we own the land and he is not welcome there ever again.

Based on this experience I can tell you that people do not want to deal with issues like this, they would rather hide in a hole in the ground and pretend it is not happening, I found the parents cowards because they didn't want their names used and I also saw the worst of people, the people who will stoop to blaming the children rather than admit there is a problem with a grown adult.

I would say that there would have been a lot of similar feelings going at State Penn, the people who cannot hold Paterno accountable for his inaction because of what he means to them, in our case the coach is under investigation as we speak and the club tightened up their policies considerably, we also had a 26 year old coach from a club across town who claimed he thought he was in a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship with a 14 year old girl who was not even old enough to attend high school, he picked her up from her middle school three days in a row and had sex with her each day. The mind boggles.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on November 10, 2011, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 10, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
He's been fired, and rightly so. Its easy to sit in judgement and who knows how any of us would act in such difficult circumstances, but standards still have to be set and adhered to, especially with young children the victims. Close shades of what happened in the catholic church and Irish society for all those years with everyone passing the buck and turning a blind eye.

As for the moronic students rioting last night after his sacking....[b/]

Shows the mentality of these protesters....riot and wreck the place
over the firing of a coach yet not a peep about the disgusting acts against
these poor kids  >:(
The latest being reported now is that the kids were being pimped out to wealthy
donors  :o if this turns out to be true the f**king roof will come down on the whole thing and rightly so!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 10, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on November 10, 2011, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 10, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
He's been fired, and rightly so. Its easy to sit in judgement and who knows how any of us would act in such difficult circumstances, but standards still have to be set and adhered to, especially with young children the victims. Close shades of what happened in the catholic church and Irish society for all those years with everyone passing the buck and turning a blind eye.

As for the moronic students rioting last night after his sacking....[b/]

Shows the mentality of these protesters....riot and wreck the place
over the firing of a coach yet not a peep about the disgusting acts against
these poor kids  >:(
The latest being reported now is that the kids were being pimped out to wealthy
donors  :o if this turns out to be true the f**king roof will come down on the whole thing and rightly so!
The people who rioted absolutely disgust me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 10, 2011, 10:49:22 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 10, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on November 10, 2011, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 10, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
He's been fired, and rightly so. Its easy to sit in judgement and who knows how any of us would act in such difficult circumstances, but standards still have to be set and adhered to, especially with young children the victims. Close shades of what happened in the catholic church and Irish society for all those years with everyone passing the buck and turning a blind eye.

As for the moronic students rioting last night after his sacking....[b/]

Shows the mentality of these protesters....riot and wreck the place
over the firing of a coach yet not a peep about the disgusting acts against
these poor kids  >:(
The latest being reported now is that the kids were being pimped out to wealthy
donors  :o if this turns out to be true the f**king roof will come down on the whole thing and rightly so!
The people who rioted absolutely disgust me.

Times two mcgrens
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on November 11, 2011, 08:24:07 AM
Chargers are in meltdown.Didn't see the Raiders winning that one without McFadden but Bush had a good game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 11, 2011, 09:50:26 AM
They need Antonio Gates back at 100%. He was their best player last year before he got hurt. He is at about 50% now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 11, 2011, 09:53:05 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on November 11, 2011, 08:24:07 AM
Chargers are in meltdown.Didn't see the Raiders winning that one without McFadden but Bush had a good game.

Bush is a top 10-15 RB if he was a guaranteed starter in a half decent team. That's 9 out of his 10 starts with the Raiders where he has ran for over 90 yards! Raiders are a good run blocking team granted but surely someone has to give him a starting job next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
Great win for the Raiders.

Funny how Cowboy fans (not here, elsewhere) are whining that Rivers doesn't get the same abuse that Romo gets for being a choke artist. Last night certainly wasn't Rivers' fault. Romo probably gets blamed more than he should but I dont think they are comparable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 11, 2011, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 11, 2011, 07:33:59 PM
Great win for the Raiders.

Funny how Cowboy fans (not here, elsewhere) are whining that Rivers doesn't get the same abuse that Romo gets for being a choke artist. Last night certainly wasn't Rivers' fault. Romo probably gets blamed more than he should but I dont think they are comparable.

I think its simply that Romo has a tendency to choke and Rivers is just playing poorly by his standards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 11, 2011, 08:51:03 PM
yeah but they are saying that Rivers has messed it up in the play-offs as often as Romo all through his career
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on November 11, 2011, 11:31:50 PM
Fantastic win for the Raiders.  Palmer looked much better. Much more composed.

Bush will prob get franchised next year. Keep that offense together and we could go places. Run DMC can't seem to stay healthy for even half a season unfortunately.

Not sure what Hue is up to with DH-B. Starter to Zero in 2 games.
If the defence could be less hot n cold we would be in business.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2011, 07:33:36 PM
any streams for falcons vs saints?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/american-football.html (http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/american-football.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 13, 2011, 07:36:34 PM
You any links for the broncos game carmen...been watchin red zone here but backed the chiefs and even tho tebow is playin brutal they are still winnin..i may be cursed :(

edit i got game from ur link above
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2011, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 07:35:15 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/american-football.html (http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/american-football.html)

cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 07:42:44 PM
Who do you fancy in Giants 49ers? Have a feeling for the Giants.
Glued to Philly here myself, they playing poorly, defence winning it for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bigfrank on November 13, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
Think giants will win too..am waitin on the texans and chiefs here at the minute..u watch the ducks last night..was a crazy game..83 points total..and not a field fight in sight..ha ha
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 13, 2011, 07:48:03 PM
Quote from: bigfrank on November 13, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
Think giants will win too..am waitin on the texans and chiefs here at the minute..u watch the ducks last night..was a crazy game..83 points total..and not a field fight in sight..ha ha

Think the Chiefs are gonna sink you.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 13, 2011, 07:58:52 PM
What a play by Snelling! Terrible tackling, but he still had to make it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2011, 08:03:11 PM
C'MONNNNN FALCONS!!!!

;D

Hope we can hold on to it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Doire abú on November 13, 2011, 08:04:31 PM
any good sites lads for nfl jerseys?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2011, 08:12:46 PM
http://www.greatamericansports.co.uk/

http://shop.nfluk.com/mpl/index.mpl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 08:39:01 PM
Broncos galloping home. Tebow 2 of 8 all day till then!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Doire abú on November 13, 2011, 08:41:01 PM
good man cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 08:41:51 PM
Eagles are fecked aswell! Onto the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 09:06:01 PM
Come on Eagles, need a touchdown!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 09:09:54 PM
Feck off Fitzgerald.  Thats that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 13, 2011, 09:13:41 PM
Falcons Saint going to OT.

Could have won it, could have blown it too. Saints were on the ropes with falcons under 15 yds to the endzone but couldn't put it in.

Falcons have the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2011, 09:37:52 PM
Tough call by the falcons to run it there on 4th down in OT on your own 30. O-Line didn't show up for that play. Coach will probably get hammered for it, but if your O-Line can't get a push in that situation you're at nothing.

What a win for the Cardinals. Well worth it too. Michael Vick was held to a QB rating of 32! Kolb might struggle to get back in. Skelton is 2-0 and threw three TD passes. Mac Gearailt is an animal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2011, 09:56:27 PM
Listening to talk radio Philly here. It's very funny. They are a tough crew :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 13, 2011, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 08:39:01 PM
Broncos galloping home. Tebow 2 of 8 all day till then!!

Unbelievable!

Just shows you can win a popularity contest to become a starting quarterback in the NFL without even being able to throw the ball. God help Denver if they weren't in the worst division in the NFL. The Jets will eat them alive next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 13, 2011, 11:55:16 PM
49ers 14 up, 2TDs in 2 plays..............


oops only 7 up now, nervy last 7mins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 14, 2011, 12:24:43 AM
What a win for the niners!! 8-1  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 14, 2011, 01:23:27 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 13, 2011, 11:33:40 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 13, 2011, 08:39:01 PM
Broncos galloping home. Tebow 2 of 8 all day till then!!

Just shows you can win a popularity contest to become a starting quarterback in the NFL without even being able to throw the ball. God help Denver if they weren't in the worst division in the NFL. The Jets will eat them alive next weekend.

Denver won't be throwing the ball more than a dozen times negating the usefulnesss of the Jets best player Revis and Denver will have BABY JEBUS on their side.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 14, 2011, 04:48:26 AM
The Patriots handled the Jets easily tonight on offense and defense 37-16 with a few minutes to go. They now have the easiest schedule in the NFL for the rest of the season. Gronkowski was very good for the Pats. I don't think Sanchez is a franchise QB and not for an elite team like the Jets. They need to replace him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 14, 2011, 11:26:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 13, 2011, 09:37:52 PM
Tough call by the falcons to run it there on 4th down in OT on your own 30. O-Line didn't show up for that play. Coach will probably get hammered for it, but if your O-Line can't get a push in that situation you're at nothing.


It was a terrible decision. I couldn't believe they went for it in that situation. Fair enough if it was in the saints half, or in normal time. And if you are going for it, it's about time Mike Smith had something else up his sleeve  on 4th and short than ram Michael Turner up the middle. How about a Flea Flicker to Harry Douglas or a play action to Tony Gonzalez.

The problem for the Falcons is that Matt Ryan isn't quite turning out to be as great as was initially thought. He's good, a nice guy and a good work ethic but not in the same league as Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers by a long shot. And to be honest there is no one on the sideline to help him make that next step, looking at our coaches and co-ordinators.

Unless the Falcons develop either an intimidating shut-down defence like the Steelers-Ravens (defence weren't bad last night though it a has to be said) or an almost unstoppable, versatile offence like the Saints-Packers. Right now they are just a jack of all trades, good in most areas but not great at anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2011, 11:33:20 AM
Enjoyed the beat down da Bears put on the Lions. Back in yer box there lads.

The theory that Stafford is hugely overrated and is lucky to have Megatron to lob the ball to gains more credence.

Bears 6-3 with the AFC West to play in the next 4 weeks. Next week could be good craic with Rivers and co coming to Chicago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on November 14, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
How's my NBA lock-out situation looking? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 14, 2011, 02:55:44 PM
They can get out stay out and get the fire brigade out for all I care.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: redandblack4ever on November 14, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2011, 11:33:20 AM
Enjoyed the beat down da Bears put on the Lions. Back in yer box there lads.

The theory that Stafford is hugely overrated and is lucky to have Megatron to lob the ball to gains more credence.

Bears 6-3 with the AFC West to play in the next 4 weeks. Next week could be good craic with Rivers and co coming to Chicago.

There was a lot of talking last night on the sports roundups about the Lions playing "disrespectfully". I guess in the first game the Lions did a lot of trash talking and stuff like that. It was nice to see my Bears playing well. I really don't care if they get a playoff spot or not, that would be gravy, but I do want them to beat the Packers. The Bears could go 1-15 for a season, but if they beat the Packers, that would satisfy me. Expecially in Green Bay....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 14, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
How's my NBA lock-out situation looking?

Should know over the next day or two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 14, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
How's my NBA lock-out situation looking?

Based on a twitter chat run by the NBA last night in which fans could ask questions of David Stern and Adam Silver, and the players reactions to some of their answers- monumentally bad at the moment. We could see the Decertification route taken by the players tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 14, 2011, 04:50:19 PM
Tebow gets it done again, those numbers are ridiculous on him.

I can see the packers blowing this lot out of town again tonight, I was offered a ticket this morning but have no interest freezing my arse off while watching a laugher.

Those hapless Bears hammered D town, good for them, division over by the end of Thanksgiving day.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2011, 04:55:53 PM
Quote from: redandblack4ever on November 14, 2011, 03:12:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2011, 11:33:20 AM
Enjoyed the beat down da Bears put on the Lions. Back in yer box there lads.

The theory that Stafford is hugely overrated and is lucky to have Megatron to lob the ball to gains more credence.

Bears 6-3 with the AFC West to play in the next 4 weeks. Next week could be good craic with Rivers and co coming to Chicago.

There was a lot of talking last night on the sports roundups about the Lions playing "disrespectfully". I guess in the first game the Lions did a lot of trash talking and stuff like that. It was nice to see my Bears playing well. I really don't care if they get a playoff spot or not, that would be gravy, but I do want them to beat the Packers. The Bears could go 1-15 for a season, but if they beat the Packers, that would satisfy me. Expecially in Green Bay....

I hear ya. A pity that the game is Soldier Field has already been played cos the Bears are much better now than they were in week 3. I know Stew reckons the Packers "own" da Bears but results over the last two and a half seasons show that there's not a lot in it (Bears have won 2 out of 6 and I think there was only a score in 3 of the other 4?).

Tebow got another W alright but is running out of running backs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 14, 2011, 05:22:04 PM
The only way this game will be a laugher Stew is if the vikings win. The Vikings are coming off a bye almost 100% healthy with their early season issues behind them. It will be high scoring but competitive.............until the Vikings pull away :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mont on November 14, 2011, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 14, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
How's my NBA lock-out situation looking?

Should know over the next day or two.

the next day or 2 should decide if the league starts in mid december.
signs arent good mind you - from twitter a lot of the playrs r getting pissed of that the owners arent giving up enough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 14, 2011, 06:52:18 PM
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 06:16:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 14, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
How's my NBA lock-out situation looking?

Should know over the next day or two.

the next day or 2 should decide if the league starts in mid december.
signs arent good mind you - from twitter a lot of the playrs r getting pissed of that the owners arent giving up enough

Right... Rois is concerned about getting to a Knicks or Nets game during an xmas trip to NYC.

Some of the stuff the owners want is right though. This consolidation that's underway of the major superstars into a small number of teams such as the Lakers, Heat, Celtics (although their stars are getting old) and the Knicks will kill the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mont on November 14, 2011, 07:06:45 PM
when is the xmas trip?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mont on November 14, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
the players have rejected the latest offer - looks like it will be a dead season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 14, 2011, 07:59:52 PM
Quote from: Mont on November 14, 2011, 07:09:21 PM
the players have rejected the latest offer - looks like it will be a dead season

N ever
B allin'
A gain

I'm so sick right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 14, 2011, 08:10:06 PM
Vegas must be sick.

Christmas day won't be the same this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 14, 2011, 08:25:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 02:50:52 PM
How's my NBA lock-out situation looking?
Try again next year by the looks of it. The season is in danger at this rate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Forever Green on November 14, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
So, there is going to be no season at all now? Haven't been following as closely as I should be but what are the main demands of the players and are they reasonable?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 14, 2011, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: Forever Green on November 14, 2011, 10:02:46 PM
So, there is going to be no season at all now? Haven't been following as closely as I should be but what are the main demands of the players and are they reasonable?

Its nowhere near as simple as that- in fact its really the owners who are playing hard ball. However there is serious blame on both sides for getting to where we are now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 15, 2011, 01:23:52 AM
It is just mad that it has come to this. They lost a baseball season as well in the past.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.

The NBA is unwatchable until the playoffs, this whole situation shows what greedy fcukers the players and owners are, they are despicable the lot of them.

I wont miss this league one bit, if anything this will enhance the college ball which is infinitely more enjoyable.

In short the only people I feel sorry for are the vendors and employees of these teams who will be made redundant based on the actions of the millionaires/billionaires.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 15, 2011, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.

The NBA is unwatchable until the playoffs, this whole situation shows what greedy fcukers the players and owners are, they are despicable the lot of them.

I wont miss this league one bit, if anything this will enhance the college ball which is infinitely more enjoyable.

In short the only people I feel sorry for are the vendors and employees of these teams who will be made redundant based on the actions of the millionaires/billionaires.

Huge issue for me, given the current climate. The accessory revenue and jobs that will be lost is criminal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 15, 2011, 10:24:58 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.

The NBA is unwatchable until the playoffs, this whole situation shows what greedy fcukers the players and owners are, they are despicable the lot of them.

I wont miss this league one bit, if anything this will enhance the college ball which is infinitely more enjoyable.

In short the only people I feel sorry for are the vendors and employees of these teams who will be made redundant based on the actions of the millionaires/billionaires.

Huge issue for me, given the current climate. The accessory revenue and jobs that will be lost is criminal.

Sorry to hear that puck.

In other news, the Packers destroyed the hapless Vikings.

Rodgers is a player the like of which this league has never seen before, he is absolutely deadly on several fronts, that said I still think the pack will lose on turkey day, that will be their third game in eleven days and they will be battered and bruised.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.

The NBA is unwatchable until the playoffs, this whole situation shows what greedy fcukers the players and owners are, they are despicable the lot of them.

I wont miss this league one bit, if anything this will enhance the college ball which is infinitely more enjoyable.

In short the only people I feel sorry for are the vendors and employees of these teams who will be made redundant based on the actions of the millionaires/billionaires.

1) last years' season was bloody fantastic. There was at least one great game every night.

2) Since the best players started going straight to the NBA from high school, and then straight to the Pros after their one mandatory year at college (after a rule was introduced to stop straight HS transfers) the standard of basketball in the NCAA has gotten worse and worse. As a life long basketball fan, the NBA is now massively superior, the golden age of college hoops in terms of quality of play is long over.

3) Totally agree. It's been Abundantly clear all along that the owners had no intent to get to a negotiating stance that the players would agree with, and that the players were too stubborn to realise this. The only people suffering are the poor f**kers who can't afford to miss one pay check never mind a full season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on November 16, 2011, 09:47:50 AM
Ah I'm disappointed by that.  Thanks for posting up. 

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 16, 2011, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.

The NBA is unwatchable until the playoffs, this whole situation shows what greedy fcukers the players and owners are, they are despicable the lot of them.

I wont miss this league one bit, if anything this will enhance the college ball which is infinitely more enjoyable.

In short the only people I feel sorry for are the vendors and employees of these teams who will be made redundant based on the actions of the millionaires/billionaires.

1) last years' season was bloody fantastic. There was at least one great game every night.

2) Since the best players started going straight to the NBA from high school, and then straight to the Pros after their one mandatory year at college (after a rule was introduced to stop straight HS transfers) the standard of basketball in the NCAA has gotten worse and worse. As a life long basketball fan, the NBA is now massively superior, the golden age of college hoops in terms of quality of play is long over.

3) Totally agree. It's been Abundantly clear all along that the owners had no intent to get to a negotiating stance that the players would agree with, and that the players were too stubborn to realise this. The only people suffering are the poor f**kers who can't afford to miss one pay check never mind a full season.

If the league lost $300,000,000 last year like they claim, the players should be smart enough to know they need to take less money to keep the league alive,, clearly they are not.

D Wade tweeted and said that the only side giving anything up is the players and that only the players are losing out, I thought he was smarter than that, and dont get me started on the fact he does not even see the harm done to the people depending on the $10-$12 per hour they get paid.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 16, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
Quote from: stew on November 16, 2011, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 10:53:41 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2011, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 15, 2011, 09:52:22 PM
Quote from: Rois on November 14, 2011, 09:47:48 PM
Ah feck, will be in NY Mon 12 til Thurs 15 Dec. In Miami before that.

Well that's that then Rois. Stern just confirmed games up to and including Dec 15th are now cancelled.

The NBA is unwatchable until the playoffs, this whole situation shows what greedy fcukers the players and owners are, they are despicable the lot of them.

I wont miss this league one bit, if anything this will enhance the college ball which is infinitely more enjoyable.

In short the only people I feel sorry for are the vendors and employees of these teams who will be made redundant based on the actions of the millionaires/billionaires.

1) last years' season was bloody fantastic. There was at least one great game every night.

2) Since the best players started going straight to the NBA from high school, and then straight to the Pros after their one mandatory year at college (after a rule was introduced to stop straight HS transfers) the standard of basketball in the NCAA has gotten worse and worse. As a life long basketball fan, the NBA is now massively superior, the golden age of college hoops in terms of quality of play is long over.

3) Totally agree. It's been Abundantly clear all along that the owners had no intent to get to a negotiating stance that the players would agree with, and that the players were too stubborn to realise this. The only people suffering are the poor f**kers who can't afford to miss one pay check never mind a full season.

If the league lost $300,000,000 last year like they claim, the players should be smart enough to know they need to take less money to keep the league alive,, clearly they are not.

D Wade tweeted and said that the only side giving anything up is the players and that only the players are losing out, I thought he was smarter than that, and dont get me started on the fact he does not even see the harm done to the people depending on the $10-$12 per hour they get paid.

The players have gone from 57% of basketball related income to 50%. That more than covers the 300 million. The owners want another 3% whilst also restricting player movement, among other things. The owners have over played their hand, and the players have only gotten to the stage their at now due to a lack of leadership and proper organisation. If the correct leadership was in place the union would have taken its current course of action in july and we'd be watching games by now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on November 16, 2011, 10:32:26 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Forty-Million-Dollar-Slaves-Redemption/dp/0609601202 (http://www.amazon.com/Forty-Million-Dollar-Slaves-Redemption/dp/0609601202)

Not directly related to the NBA strike buy an interesting book on American Sports and elite black athletes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 17, 2011, 11:49:35 AM
For anyone who wants a top notch appraisal of where the NBA is at right now in terms of the lockout (and having followed it all along God knows why you would), the two part BS Report on Tiesday with Bucher, Stein, and Simmons is great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 17, 2011, 04:22:47 PM
Looking forward to the game tonight..Jets should hammer the Broncos, but with saint Tim you never know  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 17, 2011, 06:58:30 PM
Quote from: new devil on November 17, 2011, 04:22:47 PM
Looking forward to the game tonight..Jets should hammer the Broncos, but with saint Tim you never know  ;)

He is 3-1 as a starter, at worst, after tonight he will be batting .600.

Not bad for a donkey. :-\

I forget, what was their record before he took over???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 17, 2011, 07:28:19 PM
Stew i think you have me wrong...I'm far from a hater when it comes to TT....I mean with all the injures that the broncos have and the lack of quality receivers that they have
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 17, 2011, 08:10:44 PM
Jets have to win tonight to have any hope of playoffs. They've still to play the Eagles, who they've never beaten and the Giants, who are one of the best teams in the NFC. Lose those two and its 10-6 at best. Expect them to pack things to stop the run and try to make Tebow throw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 17, 2011, 09:28:07 PM
Quote from: new devil on November 17, 2011, 07:28:19 PM
Stew i think you have me wrong...I'm far from a hater when it comes to TT....I mean with all the injures that the broncos have and the lack of quality receivers that they have

never thought that new devil.

look at the results even with the issues you highlighted.

I cant abide the jets, hoping he kicks their arse but I too expect them to pack the box and make him throw or rely on his legs, if he does he will be injured and beaten to a pulp, they have to throw the ball more and he needs to throw it accurately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 18, 2011, 09:27:31 AM
Broncos 17
Jets 13

hallelujah hallelujah

hallelujah
hallelujah

ha----lle----lu------jah !!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 18, 2011, 09:31:39 AM

It is not a miracle to beat Mark Sanchez. The Jets had very little turnaround time between a sunday night game and travelling to Denver in 4 days.

Quote from: thejuice on November 18, 2011, 09:27:31 AM
Broncos 17
Jets 13

hallelujah hallelujah

hallelujah
hallelujah

ha----lle----lu------jah !!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2011, 09:51:52 AM
Tebow keeps defying the odds. Its crazy. Personally don't see it lasting but he's already surpassed my expectations so good luck to the kid. He has guts which I love.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 18, 2011, 09:58:57 AM
I am not at all surprised with how Tebow is struggling throwing the ball, he is never going to be an NFL quarterback in that mode, but I am absolutely shocked at how well he has been able to run the ball against NFL defenses, in fairness to him.

I know he's a big guy, and Athletic, but there are bigger, more athletic guys than him looking over the line at him every week now. And he is still managing to get it done. People say 'he is a winner', and maybe they are right. i know the Broncos defense has made this all possible, but in fairness to Tebow, the Defense isn't masterminding those late drives, or those last minute 20 yard runs, so fair play to him.

I can't see it lasting either, but I hope it does for him. He's got guts and is a very polite kid.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 18, 2011, 10:26:25 AM
Think its been the happiest i've ever been after seeing the Jets beat....love seeing Tebow doing good..theres just something about the lad thats so likeable hes one of the best college players of all time and right now there's not another sports person on the planet thats more talked about...hes proved over this last few weeks thats he can do it against quality teams...I'd pick him over Mark Sanchez right now thats for sure
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 18, 2011, 12:07:01 PM
Jets have only themselves to blame. Tebow did nothing the whole game, apart from the opening and closing drives. They punted eight straight times! Then, after Leonard misses what should have been a safety and the end of the game, they change the defense to give cover downfield, when they've been stopping the run all night. And then completely f**k up the blitz on the touchdown. Then throw in the interception (and the return fumble). Just a horrible night all around.

Fair fucks to Tebow for taking advantage, but that is not going to work for them in the long run. Decent defense though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 20, 2011, 08:07:59 PM
Any streams?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 20, 2011, 08:26:47 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 20, 2011, 08:07:59 PM
Any streams?

Go on to www.frontrowsports.tv
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
The charismatic Christian gets er done again............................................ Tim you are the men baby,  ;)

Keep talking about what he cant do lads.

:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 20, 2011, 10:41:50 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 09:42:22 PM
The charismatic Christian gets er done again............................................ Tim you are the men baby,  ;)

Keep talking about what he cant do lads.

:D

Its fair to point out that he cannot throw the ball Stew and that he was pure dung for 55 minutes of the game. The Jets threw that away with awful mistakes and calls, plain and simple. That doesn't mean its not exciting to watch something like that last Tebow drive, particularly when its not something you're likely to see very often, but its not sustainable at NFL level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
Chargers holding their own against the Bears.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 11:12:20 PM
Is there money to be made at this? I know Minder loves the American sports and a few others but betting wise? Yous should give some insight to us who wouldn't mind a little wager at the end of the night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:17:31 PM
Keep the money in your pocket and buy the kids their lunch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 11:25:37 PM
Xmas stuff in already, I've made the lunches (chicken and lettuce wraps) eat better than me ;)

Biggest bet would be a fiver only allowed a tenner a week. That's my vice ffs.  My account is sitting at 52 quid, which is nice. let me have fun ;)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
Chargers holding their own against the Bears.

Wrote too soon. One fumble and they're 14 down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2011, 11:29:07 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:27:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
Chargers holding their own against the Bears.

Wrote too soon. One fumble and they're 14 down.

Ya see info like that could have lost me 2 quid
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:30:10 PM
Well, they're 4-1 to win it and it's not out of the question.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM
I think the bears are the second best team in the league right now, unfortunately for them they are also the second best team inn their division and the pack continue to roll.

I think the packers will lose one of their next two games, probably on Thursday but perfection was never the goal, winning it all again was always the goal and I think that the biggest stumbling block to that is those pesky bears, they are good...........very good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM
I think the bears are the second best team in the league right now, unfortunately for them they are also the second best team inn their division and the pack continue to roll.

I think the packers will lose one of their next two games, probably on Thursday but perfection was never the goal, winning it all again was always the goal and I think that the biggest stumbling block to that is those pesky bears, they are good...........very good.

Cutler is some pup. First incomplete pass in yonks.

I thought the Chargers had the measure of GB moreso than of the Bears today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM
I think the bears are the second best team in the league right now, unfortunately for them they are also the second best team inn their division and the pack continue to roll.

I think the packers will lose one of their next two games, probably on Thursday but perfection was never the goal, winning it all again was always the goal and I think that the biggest stumbling block to that is those pesky bears, they are good...........very good.

Cutler is some pup. First incomplete pass in yonks.

I thought the Chargers had the measure of GB moreso than of the Bears today.

The pack played them and beat them................in Chicago.

The packers are 10-0 for a reason and they are a better team than the bears at this stage...............just.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:56:09 PM
16 interceptions on Rivers this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 21, 2011, 12:13:30 AM
Make that 17.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 21, 2011, 12:30:03 AM
Somebody f u c k i n hates me up there thats for sure.

Had Detroit -7, 49ers -9.5, Bears -3.5 and the Falcon -6

Falcons 23-3 up with 5 to play, they have a 4th down on the 30 and he doesnt kick the FG, ffs come on, okay they got the 1st down but fumbled the next play and the rookie QB takes the Titans down for a TD. The Titans next pocession They then convert a 4th and 16 that leads to a TD and the Falcons win by 6.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 21, 2011, 04:56:28 AM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM
I think the bears are the second best team in the league right now, unfortunately for them they are also the second best team inn their division and the pack continue to roll.

I think the packers will lose one of their next two games, probably on Thursday but perfection was never the goal, winning it all again was always the goal and I think that the biggest stumbling block to that is those pesky bears, they are good...........very good.

Cutler is some pup. First incomplete pass in yonks.

I thought the Chargers had the measure of GB moreso than of the Bears today.

The pack played them and beat them................in Chicago.

The packers are 10-0 for a reason and they are a better team than the bears at this stage...............just.

I hate to say it but the Pack look unstopable at the moment. As a team the Bears are night and day from the first matchup and the Bears should beat the Pack.

Great!!!! While typing this reply the local chicago news channel reports "Cutler has a broken thumb on his throwing hand, out 6-8 weeks with surgery".

Have to see how Hanie responds now as the starter for the rest of the season, thankfully the D is playing well now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tyrones own on November 21, 2011, 05:02:49 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 21, 2011, 04:56:28 AM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 20, 2011, 11:42:57 PM
Quote from: stew on November 20, 2011, 11:40:12 PM
I think the bears are the second best team in the league right now, unfortunately for them they are also the second best team inn their division and the pack continue to roll.

I think the packers will lose one of their next two games, probably on Thursday but perfection was never the goal, winning it all again was always the goal and I think that the biggest stumbling block to that is those pesky bears, they are good...........very good.

Cutler is some pup. First incomplete pass in yonks.

I thought the Chargers had the measure of GB moreso than of the Bears today.

The pack played them and beat them................in Chicago.

The packers are 10-0 for a reason and they are a better team than the bears at this stage...............just.

I hate to say it but the Pack look unstopable at the moment. As a team the Bears are night and day from the first matchup and the Bears should beat the Pack.

Great!!!! While typing this reply the local chicago news channel reports "Cutler has a broken thumb on his throwing hand, out 6-8 weeks with surgery".

Have to see how Hanie responds now as the starter for the rest of the season, thankfully the D is playing well now.
The niners are looking pretty good though so might not be all bad
If things work out  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on November 21, 2011, 05:23:54 AM
I agree with TO (a first).. watch out for the Niners. Now if Rodgers or Brady would just come home I would upgrade that to bet the farm on them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 21, 2011, 09:24:30 AM
Quote from: omochain on November 21, 2011, 05:23:54 AM
I agree with TO (a first).. watch out for the Niners. Now if Rodgers or Brady would just come home I would upgrade that to bet the farm on them.
How many times did you disagree in your 5 other posts? :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 21, 2011, 11:35:35 AM
Bears going well but losing Cutler now is a huge blow. He has been playing really well. 7-3 but 4 road games out of the 6 remaining with an inexperienced QB is going to make it tough. Defense is playing well and special teams are consistent, sometimes brilliant. Caleb Hanie - its over to you. A win next week against Oakland in the black hole would be huge.

I also agree with TO, niners look tough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2011, 11:40:27 AM
Niners are definitely a serious team. In fairness the Cardinals are really struggling though. The one thing I'd worry about the Niners is can they score enough? You need TDs not Field Goals against the big teams, and they should easily have put 40 on the Cardinals last night. Into the 4th quarter yesterday the Cardinals had something like 70 yards, 5 TOs and 4 first downs. The Cards D held them to FGs and blocked 2 more until the Niners made the breakthrough eventually. Someone like Green Bay would have punished them for that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 21, 2011, 11:45:58 AM
Yeah, that's a fair point. I'm more interested in their defense though as in tighter games that's what will matter. Their offense is good on the ground with Gore, Hunter and even a bit of Dixon and Smith is a game manager with a few decent targets (David, Crabtree). If their D keeps them in games they'll get it right enough on offense to be up there with the best.

The succession of field goal attmepts in the first half yesterday was bordering on the comical alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
I was (as I usually do) listening to the game on the Arizona Cardinals broadcast, as well as watching Red Zone, and the Cardinals commentators were just tearing their hair out. The D and special teams were keeping them in it, and the offense was going backwards. At least the QB 'controversy' is over. Skelton was badly exposed as what he is, an average to good young fella trying to learn the game.

I think the Cardinals have blocked the most kicks in the past two or 3 years. They seem to get good penetration on the blocks, and Calais Campbell is something like 6' 8''.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on November 21, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Really bad loss for the Giants last night,thought they would have handled the Eagles without too much bother.
Cowboys lead the division now >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2011, 12:21:34 PM
Some great finishes last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 21, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
The Vikings lost again but it helps us chase a top draft pick. I am hoping for the left tackle or the wide receiver Blackmon in the drwft to make up for a crappy season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 21, 2011, 01:51:28 PM
Looking at the Play off picture the Falcons (6-4) best chance is catching the Detroit Lions (7-3) who have a fairly tough few games ahead and I think will lose about 3 games. The falcons have to play 2 teams in their remaining fixtures with winning records.  Matt Ryan has posted 2 consecutive 300+ yd games, something he doesn't do very often. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 21, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 21, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
The Vikings lost again but it helps us chase a top draft pick. I am hoping for the left tackle or the wide receiver Blackmon in the drwft to make up for a crappy season.

The vikings are one of the worst run organizations in sports.

Let's see, where to start.

1) They failed to get their first round draft pick to the podium on time and lost the spot, major embarrassment number 1.

2) The love boat incident hurt the reputation of the club.

3) Randy Moss drives his car into a meter lady as a viking.

4) Chilly, their former coach begs Favre to play for him, picked him up at the airport and went on to see favre stab him in the back numberous times, he managed to get them to the NFC title game and imploded by winging it when all he had to do was fall forward and they would have had a field goal. They lose and the following year was a disaster, Chilly out and favre was shite.

5) The roof collapses in that dump of a stadium, thank God no one was there to get killed.

6) They pick up a washed up quarterback (again) and he is benched after a couple of horrible games and they are out of contention before October is over.

7) Now their fans want them to lose out to get the first pick in the draft.................................... not happening, Indy have that puppy locked up and the next superstar QB in Indy will be drafted thanks to them going )-16 this season.

8) Most importantly, a player died due to dedyhydration, apparently it was not manly to take on board water in 90 degree heat whilst at mini camp, the poor bastard feel over and died needlessly.

That is some legacy they have going on over there, they are terrible and long may it continue.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 21, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
Stew would I be right in saying that you don't really like the Vikings?  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 21, 2011, 08:50:09 PM
Quote from: new devil on November 21, 2011, 06:23:54 PM
Stew would I be right in saying that you don't really like the Vikings?  :D
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You would be correct sir, they are a horrible organization from the owner on down.

The thing is the only sport I really get mad into is Gaelic football, I love the Ryder cup as well, the rest are just amusement really, i enjoy them but it's not the same.

That said I cant abide them hoors in vikingland, I like Liverpool more than i like the vikings ffs.

In short the vikings are the Down of the NFL for me. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 21, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Timbow got er done again I see, how can a man that cant play the game win so much???? ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 21, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Timbow got er done again I see, how can a man that cant play the game win so much???? ;)

The Broncos defence is what won them the Jets game really. It was a nice run from Tebow at the end alright but long-term you can't have a QB who can't throw the ball. You might get away with it for a few games but long-term you'll end up losing more than you win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 21, 2011, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 21, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Timbow got er done again I see, how can a man that cant play the game win so much???? ;)

The Broncos defence is what won them the Jets game really. It was a nice run from Tebow at the end alright but long-term you can't have a QB who can't throw the ball. You might get away with it for a few games but long-term you'll end up losing more than you win.

I could not disagree more, teams have won the superbowl running the ball with far less talent than Tebow has doing it. The lad is what, 5-1. I keep waiting for all these inevitable losses but they never happen.

You have to admit he is a natural born winner, he finds a way to get it done week in and week out, and this on a very average team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on November 21, 2011, 10:50:11 PM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 21, 2011, 12:31:38 PM
The Vikings lost again but it helps us chase a top draft pick. I am hoping for the left tackle or the wide receiver Blackmon in the drwft to make up for a crappy season.

The vikings are one of the worst run organizations in sports.

Let's see, where to start.

1) They failed to get their first round draft pick to the podium on time and lost the spot, major embarrassment number 1.

2) The love boat incident hurt the reputation of the club.

3) Randy Moss drives his car into a meter lady as a viking.

4) Chilly, their former coach begs Favre to play for him, picked him up at the airport and went on to see favre stab him in the back numberous times, he managed to get them to the NFC title game and imploded by winging it when all he had to do was fall forward and they would have had a field goal. They lose and the following year was a disaster, Chilly out and favre was shite.

5) The roof collapses in that dump of a stadium, thank God no one was there to get killed.

6) They pick up a washed up quarterback (again) and he is benched after a couple of horrible games and they are out of contention before October is over.

7) Now their fans want them to lose out to get the first pick in the draft.................................... not happening, Indy have that puppy locked up and the next superstar QB in Indy will be drafted thanks to them going )-16 this season.

8) Most importantly, a player died due to dedyhydration, apparently it was not manly to take on board water in 90 degree heat whilst at mini camp, the poor b**tard feel over and died needlessly.

That is some legacy they have going on over there, they are terrible and long may it continue.

I was staying in the University of Minnesota when this happened and it turned me into a Vikings fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 22, 2011, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 21, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Timbow got er done again I see, how can a man that cant play the game win so much???? ;)

The Broncos defence is what won them the Jets game really. It was a nice run from Tebow at the end alright but long-term you can't have a QB who can't throw the ball. You might get away with it for a few games but long-term you'll end up losing more than you win.

I could not disagree more, teams have won the superbowl running the ball with far less talent than Tebow has doing it. The lad is what, 5-1. I keep waiting for all these inevitable losses but they never happen.

You have to admit he is a natural born winner, he finds a way to get it done week in and week out, and this on a very average team.

Best player on the field last Thursday- Von Miller. Absolute wrecking ball of a player at DE/ OLB.

One thing that I thought summed Tebow's ability at QB up for me... The broncos gained possession of the ball inside jets territory 5 times and got only 3 points out of those possessions. Also, against the jets base 3-4 he struggled badly. In the last drive the jets went prevent and added an extra DB, not expecting so many programmed QB runs, only then did he make ground.

Broncos D was excellent, Sanchez was muck. Two far bigger factors.

Also, according to ESPN next level, during the now infamous 2-8 performance Tebow had an open receiver all 8 times he threw the ball and just plain whiffed on 75% of his throws. He is not good.

This all reminds me of the Wildcat. An unorthodox offense that befuddled most opponents first time round, but after an off season of looking at the tape NFL Defenses had it figured out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 22, 2011, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
1) They failed to get their first round draft pick to the podium on time and lost the spot, major embarrassment number 1.

This isn't actually entirely true. The Vikes did get their pick to the podium in time. They were trading picks with Baltimore, realising that their target- Kevin Williams- would be there when Baltimore were due to pick. The Vikes did their bit, Baltimore were too slow to get their half of the deal up to the table in time.

The next two teams then rushed in their picks, causing Minnesota's pick to slip two places from 7 to 9, when they promptly picked Williams. They didn't lose the pick.

For the record Baltimore were picking 10th, and would have given Minnesota a 4th and a 6th to swap 1st rounders, as they wanted to draft Byron Leftwich!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 22, 2011, 02:17:30 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 22, 2011, 12:13:14 AM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 10:04:21 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 21, 2011, 09:48:30 PM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Timbow got er done again I see, how can a man that cant play the game win so much???? ;)

The Broncos defence is what won them the Jets game really. It was a nice run from Tebow at the end alright but long-term you can't have a QB who can't throw the ball. You might get away with it for a few games but long-term you'll end up losing more than you win.

I could not disagree more, teams have won the superbowl running the ball with far less talent than Tebow has doing it. The lad is what, 5-1. I keep waiting for all these inevitable losses but they never happen.

You have to admit he is a natural born winner, he finds a way to get it done week in and week out, and this on a very average team.

Best player on the field last Thursday- Von Miller. Absolute wrecking ball of a player at DE.

One thing that I thought summed Tebow's ability at QB up for me... The broncos gained possession of the ball inside jets territory 5 times and got only 3 points out of those possessions. Also, against the jets base 3-4 he struggled badly. In the last drive the jets went prevent and added an extra DB, not expecting so many programmed QB runs, only then did he make ground.

Broncos D was excellent, Sanchez was muck. Two far bigger factors.

Also, according to ESPN next level, during the now infamous 2-8 performance Tebow had an open receiver all 8 times he threw the ball and just plain whiffed on 75% of his throws. He is not good.

This all reminds me of the Wildcat. An unorthodox offense that befuddled most opponents first time round, but after an off season of looking at the tape NFL Defenses had it figured out.

In a nutshell. And until they changed their tactics on that last drive, the Jets had Tebow and the Denver offense in their pocket. They've done well to win, albeit against poor teams (and a Jets team that played four nights previously and an Oakland team with a new QB). Eventually teams will figure out how to handle Tebow, and if he doesn't learn to put the ball somewhere near his receivers, he'll not last as a starting QB. Elway didn't exactly give him a vote of confidence today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 22, 2011, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 22, 2011, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
1) They failed to get their first round draft pick to the podium on time and lost the spot, major embarrassment number 1.

This isn't actually entirely true. The Vikes did get their pick to the podium in time. They were trading picks with Baltimore, realising that their target- Kevin Williams- would be there when Baltimore were due to pick. The Vikes did their bit, Baltimore were too slow to get their half of the deal up to the table in time.

The next two teams then rushed in their picks, causing Minnesota's pick to slip two places from 7 to 9, when they promptly picked Williams. They didn't lose the pick.

For the record Baltimore were picking 10th, and would have given Minnesota a 4th and a 6th to swap 1st rounders, as they wanted to draft Byron Leftwich!

That is on the vikings, no other team leaves it in the hands of another team to take care of their business, this impacted the vikings and embarrassed the shite of them. True story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 22, 2011, 10:55:46 PM
Quote from: stew on November 22, 2011, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 22, 2011, 12:24:57 AM
Quote from: stew on November 21, 2011, 04:00:29 PM
1) They failed to get their first round draft pick to the podium on time and lost the spot, major embarrassment number 1.

This isn't actually entirely true. The Vikes did get their pick to the podium in time. They were trading picks with Baltimore, realising that their target- Kevin Williams- would be there when Baltimore were due to pick. The Vikes did their bit, Baltimore were too slow to get their half of the deal up to the table in time.

The next two teams then rushed in their picks, causing Minnesota's pick to slip two places from 7 to 9, when they promptly picked Williams. They didn't lose the pick.

For the record Baltimore were picking 10th, and would have given Minnesota a 4th and a 6th to swap 1st rounders, as they wanted to draft Byron Leftwich!

That is on the vikings, no other team leaves it in the hands of another team to take care of their business, this impacted the vikings and embarrassed the shite of them. True story.

Thats the way its done. The league has to get confirmation from both teams separately. Otherwise how can they possibly be assured that the trade is legit?

E.g. If I were Al Davis I could've walked up and handed in a bit of paper saying I'd agreed to trade the number one pick for Peyton Manning instead of drafting Jamarcus Russell, and one from the Colts saying they agreed to it!

Of course I'd have been lying and chaos would have reigned if they accepted my word!

In fairness to the Ravens they claimed through an un-named source at the time that they had been trying to ring the league desk to confirm, but nobody picked up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on November 23, 2011, 07:32:06 AM
Looking forward to the matches tomorrow night . thought i heard the lads on newstalk lastnight say that Detroit play every thanksgiving some sort of tradition is this correct ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 23, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 23, 2011, 07:32:06 AM
Looking forward to the matches tomorrow night . thought i heard the lads on newstalk lastnight say that Detroit play every thanksgiving some sort of tradition is this correct ?

That's correct, and Cowboys always have in recent times too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 23, 2011, 12:40:33 PM
What TV station are showing Monday Night Football? I thought it was ESPN but didn't see the NE/KC game listed the other evening.

I assume SKY are showing the Thanksgiving triple header?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2011, 01:02:36 PM
It is ESPN Seanie, but not ESPN America, the 417 channel. It was on alright, at least I set it to Sky Plus, so I hope it was on :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2011, 01:09:15 PM
Never saw yesterday that the Broncos cut Orton. That's a big fish in the QB free agent pool. i suppose hed be looking for big money, but there's a few teams that could take him on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 23, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Thought I had checked them both but maybe I missed it. I did watch other MNF games on ESPN alright.

Orton wants to go back to Chicago I think but it might not fall that way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 23, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
I will be amazed if the packers win tomorrow, sports talk radio here read out the injury report and it is frightening.

The packers will be playing their third game in 11 days, an absolutely brutal schedule and they are facing a desperate Lions team.

I look to megatron tomorrow to light the packers up, Rodgers to get clobbered a time or two and the pack to lose by four. :(

The good news is they get time to heal after this with no game for ten days and they get two extra days off to relax with their families.

Here's hoping the SF bubble bursts and South America's team can take them down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 23, 2011, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: stew on November 23, 2011, 03:08:11 PM
I will be amazed if the packers win tomorrow, sports talk radio here read out the injury report and it is frightening.

The packers will be playing their third game in 11 days, an absolutely brutal schedule and they are facing a desperate Lions team.

I look to megatron tomorrow to light the packers up, Rodgers to get clobbered a time or two and the pack to lose by four. :(

The good news is they get time to heal after this with no game for ten days and they get two extra days off to relax with their families.

Here's hoping the SF bubble bursts and South America's team can take them down.

Bow wow Stew, although not for the lack of trying by the NFL, 3 time zones change in a 4 day loop, joke, although the TV guys prob had their say on the match up between the brothers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 23, 2011, 05:53:06 PM
I think its overstating things to be amazed if the Packers win tomorrow. They're 10-0 and the Superbowl champions after all. Their recent results haven't bee top drawer and there is the considerable difficulty of the 3 games in 11 days but I'd still give them a great chance. I'd possibly call it a 50/50 game. Detroit are not a great team. They will be revved up but will it be enough? Personally I wish the two of them would lose but a Lions defeat with about 10 players off each side suspended for fighting would probably suit da Bears best! It should be very entertaining anyway, defenses should struggle.

I'd imagine the battle of the brothers Harbaugh will be the opposite. Field goals will be delightfully accepted with one or maybe two TD's max per side. I have a feeling for Baltimore in this one, think they might be more used to these grindfests over recent years.

Dallas should see to Miami comfortably. They're moving along nicely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 23, 2011, 05:56:53 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 23, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Thought I had checked them both but maybe I missed it. I did watch other MNF games on ESPN alright.

Orton wants to go back to Chicago I think but it might not fall that way.

The Colts have to take Orton or they are simply in suck for Luck mode. He shouldn't make it to the bottom of the waiver list and the bears but you never know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on November 23, 2011, 05:59:12 PM
looking forward to a late night and some bevvies.. almost as good as the Super Bowl final itself  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 23, 2011, 06:41:08 PM
The Lions only scraped by the Panthers on sunday conceding 35 points. What will the Packers do to them on offense? The Lions are finished their schedule is a lot tougher for the last six games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on November 23, 2011, 10:04:55 PM
A Lions and Niners win would be nice tomorrow but not sure it will happen. Not really worried about being away from home more worried about the short break after a late aftertoon game on sunday but so be it. Stop Rice and i think the niners will win. Smith just needs to keep doing what he has been doing and Willis and co will take care of the rest hopefully. Should be 3 great games anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 23, 2011, 10:19:56 PM
Chiefs have claimed Orton off waivers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 23, 2011, 11:14:46 PM
Looking forward to Niners- Ravens. Good ol' hard-nosed football!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 23, 2011, 11:22:11 PM
What the hell is up with Rivers. I'm watching video of him and the ball is coming out of his hands wrong. Its not a tight spiral, it wobbles and there is no smooth arching trajectory like it should. He has to be injured or something. It's not just him reading the routes wrong or making bad decisions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 24, 2011, 03:37:17 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on November 23, 2011, 07:32:06 AM
Looking forward to the matches tomorrow night . thought i heard the lads on newstalk lastnight say that Detroit play every thanksgiving some sort of tradition is this correct ?

Cowboys and the Lions have been hosting games every Thanksgiving since the early-mid 70's.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2011, 10:44:44 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on November 23, 2011, 11:14:46 PM
Looking forward to Niners- Ravens. Good ol' hard-nosed football!

And a great story too. Brothers Jim and John Harbaugh, the two head coaches, coming face to face on thanksgiving. Nice story where they both still send game film to their dad, who was a head coach in college, and he reviews the tape and sends them notes. He gets a Fed Ex package every tuesday from the Ravens, and another from the Niners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 24, 2011, 08:54:17 PM
No stopping the pack...Not even 3 days rest
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2011, 08:56:33 PM
Well it wasn't a shootout but it turns out Detroit are who I thought they were. They will struggle to make the playoffs. Nice to see Suh showing his true colours yet again. Hopefully his buddy Goodell will act appropriately this time after being so lenient on the Lions after the Bears game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 24, 2011, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 24, 2011, 08:56:33 PM
Well it wasn't a shootout but it turns out Detroit are who I thought they were. They will struggle to make the playoffs. Nice to see Suh showing his true colours yet again. Hopefully his buddy Goodell will act appropriately this time after being so lenient on the Lions after the Bears game.

Great player but a piece of shit, he will be missing game or two i would say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 24, 2011, 09:11:05 PM
He set up a meeting with the NFL last week to sort out why he was giving away so many penalties...Looks like they will want to meet with him now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 26, 2011, 09:32:23 AM
Seems they have resolved the NBA lockout overnight and will play a 66 game schedule starting on Christmas Day.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/sports/basketball/nba-and-basketball-players-reach-deal-to-end-lockout.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/sports/basketball/nba-and-basketball-players-reach-deal-to-end-lockout.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on November 26, 2011, 11:43:43 AM
Is it true that the players had a better deal in August?  Hard to feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Forever Green on November 26, 2011, 01:28:14 PM
Thank f**k this lockout is over. Have missed staying up to watch the games on ESPN. Who has came out of it the better looking?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 26, 2011, 02:32:24 PM
Quote from: Forever Green on November 26, 2011, 01:28:14 PM
Thank f**k this lockout is over. Have missed staying up to watch the games on ESPN. Who has came out of it the better looking?

Owners. It was always gonna be that way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 26, 2011, 06:36:45 PM
Christmas Day line up looks good,  Knicks V Celtics, Mavs V Heat i think Lakers V Bulls aswell!  Hopefully they stick with this!
Happy to see it back, now if the Knicks can get a Big man somewhere i would be really happy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on November 26, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
Will we have our Christmas dinner in the garden this year carmen? ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 26, 2011, 06:57:55 PM
Cant see any reason why not!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 27, 2011, 10:48:07 PM
Chargers 10-7 up at HT but the crowd turning on Rivers. He hasn't done much wrong - sacked once - but unadventurous. Seems like he just wants one game without an interception.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on November 27, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Raiders woeful in the red zone. Hope that doesn't haunt them. Especially with the no score 4th quarter problem looming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 27, 2011, 11:13:18 PM
Win for the raiders now will put the Falcons in with a great shot at the playoffs. Hate having to be depending on the Raiders though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 27, 2011, 11:27:07 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on November 27, 2011, 10:52:10 PM
Raiders woeful in the red zone.

And again, janikowski 6 FG's gets the record though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on November 27, 2011, 11:29:56 PM
Fcuks sake. Penalties to a minimum and we give 1 up on a TD play. What is going on with the red zone drought  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 28, 2011, 12:08:00 AM
Nervous O'Neill?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2011, 12:11:03 AM
 
Quote from: Puckoon on November 28, 2011, 12:08:00 AM
Nervous O'Neill?

Well, at 13-13, Rivers has 90 seconds to prevent the season ending right here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2011, 12:16:56 AM
Overtime - Denver win toss.

Disaster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2011, 12:32:28 AM
Ha! 4th and half a yard!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2011, 12:33:44 AM
This is the 4th play in overtime. Surely Rivers can hit one clinker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 28, 2011, 12:42:13 AM
Silly bastards
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2011, 12:44:45 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 28, 2011, 12:42:13 AM
Silly b**tards

Not good enough. The position they were in to manufacture an easy FG and they bucked it up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 28, 2011, 12:49:58 AM
That was disastrous. No excuses. Rivers was afeard to throw anything further than 5 yards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2011, 05:36:03 PM
NFL officials are meeting Croke Park officials this Friday in Dublin!!!  ;D

Will they want the Hill seated,  :( and maybe the fence taken down to allow for a few Lambeau Leaps!!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 29, 2011, 06:59:03 PM
That will be Steelers and Dan Rooney wanting a game there. Maybe against the Pats or Jets?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 30, 2011, 07:37:08 PM
Chester McGlockton dead, aged 42.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 01, 2011, 10:49:01 PM
Want to be an owner of a NFL team?  It will only cost you $250.00 US

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-packers-stocksale
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 02, 2011, 06:10:35 PM
So, am I going to have to eat my words on Tebow?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-Denver-Broncos-first-class-quarterback-numbers-lie-120111


It's been almost eight weeks since my categorical endorsement of Tim Tebow as Denver's starting quarterback. The column was adequately argued. At 1-4, the Broncos weren't going to get any worse.


COOL QB
Take a look at Tim Tebow's work on the field.
But my urgings were based mostly on entertainment value. It would be a lot more fun watching Denver flame out with Tebow than with Kyle Orton.

Only now, with the Broncos having a good chance to win their fifth straight, and go 6-1 with Tebow as a starter, have I seen the error of my ways. Actually, it's not just my error. The entire football establishment is culpable. To dismiss Tebow merely on the basis of an amateurish throwing motion is easy. It's intuitive. But it's also wrong.

By now, you know all about Tebow's flaws. Still, the biggest one might be the methods that have been used to evaluate him. The standard barometers — starting with quarterback rating — just don't seem to work.

It's not that Tebow is better than his numbers suggest. Rather, the numbers don't measure what he does well — and, no, I'm not referring to his "intangibles," either.

First, for all of his shortcomings as a passer, Tebow doesn't throw many interceptions (only one this season). Second, conventional passer ratings don't take into account his considerable ability as a runner. Tebow isn't like any of his predecessors. He isn't a "scrambler." He's a downhill runner — easily as big as most fullbacks — who runs from the pocket, typically charging into an already spread-out field.

How do you measure that? Being a mere hyperbolist, I called someone who understands these metrics. Sean Lahman is a reporter specializing in databases, and author of The Pro Football Historical Abstract. In his attempt to make Bill James-ian sense of the NFL, Lahman came up with a theory of "Adjusted Yards." It's a particularly useful tool when applied to quarterbacks, as it reflects fumbles, sacks, interceptions and rushing yards in addition to the usual passing numbers.


"Over 16 games," said Lahman, "Tebow projects to 19 touchdowns, three interceptions, 2,061 yards passing and 1,112 yards rushing with five rushing touchdowns."

That doesn't make him Johnny Unitas. But it would make him an incredibly efficient quarterback.

"There has never been anything comparable to that," said Lahman.

The closest thing would be Michael Vick in 2002 (2,900 passing yards, 750 rushing, 16 TDs, eight INTs), or Steve McNair in 1997 (2,665 passing yards, 674 rushing, 14 TDs, 13 INTs). "But folks don't look at the cost of the interceptions," Lahman said. "For all Tebow's limitations as a passer . . . he doesn't need to throw for 4,000 yards if he's avoiding turnovers and producing significant yards on the ground."

In other words, he doesn't have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. It might just be enough to be Tim Tebow.

Remember, there are plenty of quarterbacks — from mediocre ones like Mark Sanchez to gifted specimens like Philip Rivers — who've already ruined their teams' seasons with interceptions. And there are quarterbacks — Earl Morrall and Trent Dilfer come to mind — who've won Super Bowls with a lot less talent than Tebow.


In Tebow's case, the conventional numbers lie. His quarterback rating of 80.5 would rank him 21st in the league. By Lahman's measure of "Adjusted Yards," however, he's no worse than ninth.

Still, because the nine games in which Tebow has appeared (six as a starter, three in relief) are an admittedly small sample, Lahman came up with a better way to gauge Tebow's effectiveness. It's a spread sheet that ranks quarterbacks by "Adjusted Yards per Touch" ("a touch" being defined as pass and rushing attempts plus sacks). By that measure, Tebow gains an average of 2.61 yards every time he touches the ball. Maybe that doesn't sound like much, but only four quarterbacks have doe better this season. In order, they are Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brady and injured Matt Schaub. Tebow is No. 5.

If that's pretty damn good, don't be so surprised. It's only what you should expect from a quarterback who's 5-1 as a starter.

Lahman's numbers don't lie. They're more complete than the quarterback ratings. They're not intuitively flawed like the eyeball test. ("You see him? I threw better than Tebow in junior high.") And they don't depend on my specialties, to wit: hyperbole and sentiment.

After six starts, it's not yet clear what Tebow represents: an anomaly or, perhaps, a new figure in the evolution of sports' most interesting position. Only a single quality defies quantification. Call it a intangible if you must. But Denver's starting quarterback is certain to entertain.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 05, 2011, 10:12:15 AM
Was watching the dallas game can anyone explain to me why the dallas coach called a time out as his kicker was kicking a game winning 3 pointer which he put over (he then missed the rekick )Arizona went on to win the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 05, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 05, 2011, 10:12:15 AM
Was watching the dallas game can anyone explain to me why the dallas coach called a time out as his kicker was kicking a game winning 3 pointer which he put over (he then missed the rekick )Arizona went on to win the game


"The play clock was running down. We just wanted to make sure that he had a real clean opportunity at it," Dallas coach Jason Garrett explained. "It was at about six (seconds) and we were still getting settled in, so we banged a time out to give him the opportunity to get the snap, hold and kick as clean as possible."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 05, 2011, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 02, 2011, 06:10:35 PM
So, am I going to have to eat my words on Tebow?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Tim-Tebow-Denver-Broncos-first-class-quarterback-numbers-lie-120111


It's been almost eight weeks since my categorical endorsement of Tim Tebow as Denver's starting quarterback. The column was adequately argued. At 1-4, the Broncos weren't going to get any worse.


COOL QB
Take a look at Tim Tebow's work on the field.
But my urgings were based mostly on entertainment value. It would be a lot more fun watching Denver flame out with Tebow than with Kyle Orton.

Only now, with the Broncos having a good chance to win their fifth straight, and go 6-1 with Tebow as a starter, have I seen the error of my ways. Actually, it's not just my error. The entire football establishment is culpable. To dismiss Tebow merely on the basis of an amateurish throwing motion is easy. It's intuitive. But it's also wrong.

By now, you know all about Tebow's flaws. Still, the biggest one might be the methods that have been used to evaluate him. The standard barometers — starting with quarterback rating — just don't seem to work.

It's not that Tebow is better than his numbers suggest. Rather, the numbers don't measure what he does well — and, no, I'm not referring to his "intangibles," either.

First, for all of his shortcomings as a passer, Tebow doesn't throw many interceptions (only one this season). Second, conventional passer ratings don't take into account his considerable ability as a runner. Tebow isn't like any of his predecessors. He isn't a "scrambler." He's a downhill runner — easily as big as most fullbacks — who runs from the pocket, typically charging into an already spread-out field.

How do you measure that? Being a mere hyperbolist, I called someone who understands these metrics. Sean Lahman is a reporter specializing in databases, and author of The Pro Football Historical Abstract. In his attempt to make Bill James-ian sense of the NFL, Lahman came up with a theory of "Adjusted Yards." It's a particularly useful tool when applied to quarterbacks, as it reflects fumbles, sacks, interceptions and rushing yards in addition to the usual passing numbers.


"Over 16 games," said Lahman, "Tebow projects to 19 touchdowns, three interceptions, 2,061 yards passing and 1,112 yards rushing with five rushing touchdowns."

That doesn't make him Johnny Unitas. But it would make him an incredibly efficient quarterback.

"There has never been anything comparable to that," said Lahman.

The closest thing would be Michael Vick in 2002 (2,900 passing yards, 750 rushing, 16 TDs, eight INTs), or Steve McNair in 1997 (2,665 passing yards, 674 rushing, 14 TDs, 13 INTs). "But folks don't look at the cost of the interceptions," Lahman said. "For all Tebow's limitations as a passer . . . he doesn't need to throw for 4,000 yards if he's avoiding turnovers and producing significant yards on the ground."

In other words, he doesn't have to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. It might just be enough to be Tim Tebow.

Remember, there are plenty of quarterbacks — from mediocre ones like Mark Sanchez to gifted specimens like Philip Rivers — who've already ruined their teams' seasons with interceptions. And there are quarterbacks — Earl Morrall and Trent Dilfer come to mind — who've won Super Bowls with a lot less talent than Tebow.


In Tebow's case, the conventional numbers lie. His quarterback rating of 80.5 would rank him 21st in the league. By Lahman's measure of "Adjusted Yards," however, he's no worse than ninth.

Still, because the nine games in which Tebow has appeared (six as a starter, three in relief) are an admittedly small sample, Lahman came up with a better way to gauge Tebow's effectiveness. It's a spread sheet that ranks quarterbacks by "Adjusted Yards per Touch" ("a touch" being defined as pass and rushing attempts plus sacks). By that measure, Tebow gains an average of 2.61 yards every time he touches the ball. Maybe that doesn't sound like much, but only four quarterbacks have doe better this season. In order, they are Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brady and injured Matt Schaub. Tebow is No. 5.

If that's pretty damn good, don't be so surprised. It's only what you should expect from a quarterback who's 5-1 as a starter.

Lahman's numbers don't lie. They're more complete than the quarterback ratings. They're not intuitively flawed like the eyeball test. ("You see him? I threw better than Tebow in junior high.") And they don't depend on my specialties, to wit: hyperbole and sentiment.

After six starts, it's not yet clear what Tebow represents: an anomaly or, perhaps, a new figure in the evolution of sports' most interesting position. Only a single quality defies quantification. Call it a intangible if you must. But Denver's starting quarterback is certain to entertain.

He's 6-1 now, albeit it against poor enough teams. Still fascinating though! How is it going to turn out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 05, 2011, 03:53:59 PM
He's going to lead them to the playoffs, where John Elway will come out and say he has 100% total faith in Tim Tebow as a franchise quarter back.

Then St Tim is gonna throw 9 interceptions and singlehandedly lose the game.

Go Jesus!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 05, 2011, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 05, 2011, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on December 05, 2011, 10:12:15 AM
Was watching the dallas game can anyone explain to me why the dallas coach called a time out as his kicker was kicking a game winning 3 pointer which he put over (he then missed the rekick )Arizona went on to win the game


"The play clock was running down. We just wanted to make sure that he had a real clean opportunity at it," Dallas coach Jason Garrett explained. "It was at about six (seconds) and we were still getting settled in, so we banged a time out to give him the opportunity to get the snap, hold and kick as clean as possible."

Who cares? Go Cards :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on December 05, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
was the Giants/Packers the game of the season so far? cracking game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 06, 2011, 04:41:24 AM
I really wish Phillip Rivers would make his mind up and decide if he is gonna be a good QB or not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on December 10, 2011, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 05, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
was the Giants/Packers the game of the season so far? cracking game
Definitely game of the season so far. Had tickets in my hand for it and the boss took them back. Gutted.

Giants need to win Sunday night at Dallas or its game over for this year....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 11, 2011, 12:24:55 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on December 10, 2011, 02:30:58 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on December 05, 2011, 04:38:08 PM
was the Giants/Packers the game of the season so far? cracking game
Definitely game of the season so far. Had tickets in my hand for it and the boss took them back. Gutted.

Giants need to win Sunday night at Dallas or its game over for this year....

You would think but I think there is going to be a bit of a dog fight for the last wildcard spot in the NFC. The Falcons will get one but the Bears and Lions are taking on water. 9-7 could be enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 11, 2011, 10:25:20 PM
Chargers in control. All eyes on Denver though, hoping the Bears can do something. 0-0 there at HT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on December 11, 2011, 10:59:01 PM
Carson Palmer is pure dung. Can't believe we gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for him. Would be better just letting TP have the second half.
 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 11, 2011, 11:09:35 PM
Scrap the control. Rivers fumbles in his own zone. 16-10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 12, 2011, 02:25:48 AM
Another miracle from Tebow tonight. 10-0 down with 2 minutes to go and wins it in overtime.

I think the Broncos gave up a first and a second for Tebow as well. Palmer or Tebow????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2011, 04:54:33 AM
The New York f**king Football Giants!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on December 12, 2011, 09:05:48 AM
How good is it to see Dallas feck it up 2 weeks in a row ;D
Great win for the Giants,really enjoyed the game.The thing that really bothers me when Dallas are on the telly is the amount of bloody times the cameras zoom in on the devil himself,Jerry Jones.We don't want to or need to see the horrible wee cnut every 2 minutes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 12, 2011, 02:25:48 AM
Another miracle from Tebow tonight. 10-0 down with 2 minutes to go and wins it in overtime.

I think the Broncos gave up a first and a second for Tebow as well. Palmer or Tebow????

It was a miracle because it required gross ineptitude from the Bears and guess what - it was forthcoming. Barber going out of bounds, Barbers fumble when in field goal range in overtime - Tebow really must have the guy upstairs working for him and I don't mean John Elway! As a Bear fan I'm sick. Great defensivie display deserved better. Maybe the defense wore down a bit in the latter stages - is that the 4th quarter recovery secret? Best Bears can do now is 9-7 (no way will they beat the Pack) which could still sneak in but injuries have really stolen this season, should be 10-3 really.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 12, 2011, 10:16:50 AM
Happy with the Falcons last night. Thought it was getting away from us with Cam Newton causing us all sorts of trouble with his arm and legs. Matt Ryan was under serious pressure most of the first half and he can't throw on the move. Julio Jones dropped some would be touchdowns which had me lamenting everything we gave up to get him in the draft. At half time I thought our play-off hopes were dashed. But the reverse happened in the second half, Cam was boxed in and couldn't win the game with his arm. He lost his composure and ultimately they lost the lead. The Falcons O-line gave Matt the time he needed while Tony Gonzalez and more importantly Julio Jones began to complete the plays (2 TDs). Roddy White had another excellent game too. Great to get the win and with the Bears and Lions faltering I'm starting to feel we are a bit safer.

That said we have to beat Jaguars next week, then beat the play-off bound Saints who I hope take the foot off a bit, leaving the Buccs who have only pride to play for. It will be 3 tough games to win but I think we have what it takes to win them. 

That said, it's all for nothing if we don't raise our game for the play-offs and get dumped out straight away like all the previous years. Mike Smith and Co better have something special up their sleeves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 12, 2011, 12:38:03 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 12, 2011, 02:25:48 AM
Another miracle from Tebow tonight. 10-0 down with 2 minutes to go and wins it in overtime.

I think the Broncos gave up a first and a second for Tebow as well. Palmer or Tebow????

That was much more Barber than Tebow. Two huge mistakes on his part. Whatever about the fumble, the run out of bounds was a disgrace. You have to hand it to Denver and Tebow though; limited as they are offensively, they're producing these late comebacks every week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
What about those Cardinals? The 49ers had won 5 straight in this series, but the Cards downed them 21-19. 6-7 now after going 1-6 to start the season. The Defense has stepped up, and all the young lads are playing well on D. Too late for this year, but maybe something good is being built for next season.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 12, 2011, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2011, 01:30:51 PM
What about those Cardinals? The 49ers had won 5 straight in this series, but the Cards downed them 21-19. 6-7 now after going 1-6 to start the season. The Defense has stepped up, and all the young lads are playing well on D. Too late for this year, but maybe something good is being built for next season.

Never say never. The Lions mights not win another game, one at most I think. The bears are gone so you have to worry about the cowboys and Giants who have fairly tough games I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2011, 02:28:08 PM
NFC Wildcard Chase

5.    Atlanta Falcons    NCS    8    5    0    .615    300    267    33    34    4-2    4-3    2-2    .500    6-4    .600    2-1    1W    3-2
6.    Detroit Lions    NCN    8    5    0    .615    367    305    62    43    4-3    4-2    3-2    .600    6-5    .545    2-0    1W    2-3
7.    Chicago Bears    NCN    7    6    0    .538    301    255    46    32    5-2    2-4    2-2    .500    6-3    .667    1-3    3L    2-3
8.    Dallas Cowboys    NCE    7    6    0    .538    317    281    36    32    5-2    2-4    2-2    .500    5-4    .556    2-2    2L    3-2
9.    Arizona Cardinals    NCW    6    7    0    .462    253    288    -35    31    4-2    2-5    3-2    .600    6-5    .545    0-2    3W    4-1
10.    Seattle Seahawks    NCW    5    7    0    .417    216    246    -30    23    3-3    2-4    2-1    .667    4-4    .500    1-3    1W    3-2
11.    Philadelphia Eagles    NCE    5    8    0    .385    297    292    5    34    1-5    4-3    3-1    .750    4-6    .400    1-2    1W    2-3

Hard to see the Cardinals passing out 3 teams. The Giants lead the NFC East on 7-6 as well. Remaining Fixtures

Falcons - Jacskonville, @ New Orleans, Tampa Bay
Lions - @ Oakland, San Diego, @ Green Bay
Bears - Seattle, @ Green Bay, @ Minnesota
Cowboys - @ Tampa Bay, Philadelphia, @ New York Giants
Cardinals - Cleveland, @ Cincinnati, Seattle
Seahaws - Saint Louis, @ Chicago, San Francisco, @ Arizona
Eagles - New York Jets, @ Dallas, Washington
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 12, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
Dammit,
my parting gesture in the top flight was almost to pick off the league leader, a little better selection of the starting roster and I would be grinning. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my crapness in the division this year. Must do better...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 12, 2011, 03:58:50 PM
AZ, you lucked out. You have us on your schedule.  Put in your reserves against the Browns and you'll be golden.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 12, 2011, 05:01:02 PM
Haley fired in KC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2011, 05:05:37 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 12, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
Dammit,
my parting gesture in the top flight was almost to pick off the league leader, a little better selection of the starting roster and I would be grinning. I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my crapness in the division this year. Must do better...

did those trophies get lost in transit, or are you keeping them because of your abysmal season? :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 12, 2011, 07:38:20 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 12, 2011, 02:25:48 AM
Another miracle from Tebow tonight. 10-0 down with 2 minutes to go and wins it in overtime.


Dagger through the heart of the Chargers. Results looked like putting them back into contention.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 12, 2011, 08:43:28 PM
Sparano also got the road in Miami.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 12, 2011, 08:48:47 PM
Tebow will win a superbowl....some day!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2011, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 12, 2011, 08:48:47 PM
Tebow will win a superbowl....some day!!

as a running back, because it won't happen with him as a QB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 14, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
Anyone interested in doing a college bowl pick 'em? If you were in the fantasy league the same id will do you, if not, you'll have to register with Yahoo.

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=29596&P=goirish (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=29596&P=goirish)

the password is goirish

Anyone heading to the Emerald Isle Classic next September? Notre Dame versus Navy. Tickets on sale tomorrow apparently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 14, 2011, 02:05:22 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 12, 2011, 11:48:08 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 12, 2011, 08:48:47 PM
Tebow will win a superbowl....some day!!

as a running back, because it won't happen with him as a QB

Sunday will tell when they face a top class offense in Brady, Gronkowski, Welker etc. Denver's defense has played well recently, albeit it against poor or weakened offenses, and have been keeping the Broncos in games until the fourth quarter. If Denver does perform well against the Patriots (who have a poor enough defense), I think their best chance for a playoff run will be this year. Teams still haven't figured their offense out over a 60 min game yet (although Chicago's loss was self-inflicted) and if their defense can keep them in it, I could see them winning a few tight games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 15, 2011, 04:25:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 14, 2011, 01:39:28 PM
Anyone interested in doing a college bowl pick 'em? If you were in the fantasy league the same id will do you, if not, you'll have to register with Yahoo.

http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=29596&P=goirish (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/register/joinprivategroup_assign_team?GID=29596&P=goirish)

the password is goirish

Anyone heading to the Emerald Isle Classic next September? Notre Dame versus Navy. Tickets on sale tomorrow apparently.

Tickets got. Roll on.

'Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 15, 2011, 04:45:47 PM
Go Noles.  Pulverize those French!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 16, 2011, 12:06:28 PM
I'll have to wait till Jan to get my tickets, hopefully some left by then.


Great win for the Falcons last night. If the Cowboys Vikings  :-[ can shock the Saints on Sunday the NFC South and a chance to skip the wild card round is up for grabs the following week in the Super Dome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 18, 2011, 08:53:04 PM
Kansas City 19
Green Bay 7

4 mins to go,


The Vikings are so terrible, couldn't even make Brees flinch, guess it was too much to hope they could do the Falcons a favour.  Still will be a big game next week on St Stephens Day.

Redskins are destroying the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 09:02:03 PM
19-14 now with 1.56 on the clock.
Will Rodgers get another chance?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 18, 2011, 09:08:21 PM
Nope, there you go, no perfect season from the Packers. They are probably better off without all that talk too going into the play-offs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 18, 2011, 09:24:24 PM
Tebow TD already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Do any of you have a link to the eagles/jets game? Can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Do any of you have a link to the eagles/jets game? Can't find it anywhere.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98685/1/watch-philadelphia-eagles-vs-new-york-jets.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Do any of you have a link to the eagles/jets game? Can't find it anywhere.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98685/1/watch-philadelphia-eagles-vs-new-york-jets.html
Thanks Gawa.  That's my evening's viewing sorted. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 18, 2011, 09:54:08 PM
Tim Tebow meets Jesus in the locker room..........


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-In-SNL-sketch-Jesus-tells-Tebow-to-821?urn=nfl-wp14093
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Do any of you have a link to the eagles/jets game? Can't find it anywhere.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98685/1/watch-philadelphia-eagles-vs-new-york-jets.html
Thanks Gawa.  That's my evening's viewing sorted.

No probs.

Hopefully your not a Jets fan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:51:30 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 18, 2011, 09:46:31 PM
Quote from: Seamroga in exile on December 18, 2011, 09:26:23 PM
Do any of you have a link to the eagles/jets game? Can't find it anywhere.

http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/98685/1/watch-philadelphia-eagles-vs-new-york-jets.html
Thanks Gawa.  That's my evening's viewing sorted.

No probs.

Hopefully your not a Jets fan
:-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 18, 2011, 11:34:51 PM
Broncos 18 behind. Surely even God wouldn't take those odds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 18, 2011, 11:58:20 PM
....and Tebow scores his second TD of the day. 11 between them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 19, 2011, 12:11:56 AM
No TebowTime tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 19, 2011, 12:23:28 AM
Massive results in AFC West tonight. If the Chargers can pull off a win tonight it'll be 8/6 (Broncos), 7/7 (Raiders), 7/7 (Chargers) and 6/8 (KC).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 19, 2011, 01:06:39 AM
That was some kick in the balls for the Raiders tonight. They might fall apart now. They need McFadden and Ford back to help out that offense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on December 19, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
Solid performance from the Redskins last night,first sweep of the Giants since 99 and do their arch rival Cowbays a huge favour.
Last night's game summed up Grossman to a tee,two terrible interceptions early on but he bounced back well and converted some big plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: fearglasmor on December 19, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
Never watched much American Football before but got stuck into a series of College games on ESPN America on Saturday.  Very entertaining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 19, 2011, 11:06:54 AM
Janey fearglas, wait until you see some of the bowls on later in the Christmas period.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 19, 2011, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on December 19, 2011, 10:58:55 AM
Solid performance from the Redskins last night,first sweep of the Giants since 99 and do their arch rival Cowbays a huge favour.
Last night's game summed up Grossman to a tee,two terrible interceptions early on but he bounced back well and converted some big plays.

Cardinals go 7-7, and as usual make hard work out of it. I think something like 10 of the Cardinals 14 games have been tied or <= 6 points between the teams at the end of regulation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 19, 2011, 07:29:34 PM
@FauxJohnMadden - Ben Roethlisberger is questionable for tonights game thanks to an ankle injury and pepper spray to the face.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2011, 11:14:24 AM
Funny :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2dhNaQgxM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2dhNaQgxM)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on December 24, 2011, 03:07:08 PM
America s game on  now sky sports 2 2010 green bay packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 24, 2011, 04:03:46 PM
Jets and Giants meet for the first time in four years tonight. Loser will have a very tough time reaching the playoffs, but Jets are in the stronger position. Giants very dependent on Manning who's been outstanding this season and has been the best long passer in the league. Jets have arguably the best cornerback in Derrelle Revis though, so the Giants wide receivers, who've dropping planty, will find it even tougher. Plus Ballard, who'd been having a decent season as the new tight end, is out. Both teams poor enough on the run this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 24, 2011, 04:05:59 PM
NBA back tomorrow. Knicks and Celtics at the Garden, 12 pm ET, first game. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2011, 04:10:11 PM
Saw Mike Williamson said on ESPN the other day if the teams swapped quarterbacks Jes win by 20. He is a Sanchez hater in fairness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 07:55:30 PM
An absolutely ridiculous TD in the Bengals game

(http://gifsoup.com/view1/3256748/gfggg-o.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2011, 07:58:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 07:55:30 PM
An absolutely ridiculous TD in the Bengals game

(http://gifsoup.com/view1/3256748/gfggg-o.gif)

Yeah I don't think I have ever seen it where the player lands on his feet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2011, 08:35:24 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwq3rgXABV1qm9rypo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1324845164&Signature=vsuiqiC1LXEZGSSCO55MZe%2BIlLE%3D)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 08:47:23 PM
Tebow having a complete mare.

Chargers back in the race if they win tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
Not a good start for you O'Neill
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 09:33:30 PM
Stick a fork in the Jets - they are done.

And the Eagles as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2011, 09:34:07 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 09:33:30 PM
Stick a fork in the Jets - they are done.

And the Eagles as well

Are the Jets eliminated? I thought they were still alive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 09:56:14 PM
I meant todays game. The AFC playoff picture is a mess right now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2011, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 09:56:14 PM
I meant todays game. The AFC playoff picture is a mess right now

Aye that's what I thought, should be good next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 09:58:08 PM
Chargers getting hammered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 24, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 09:58:08 PM
Chargers getting hammered.

Good, who wins division of Raiders and Bronco's win last game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 24, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 09:58:08 PM
Chargers getting hammered.

Good, who wins division of Raiders and Bronco's win last game?

AFC West: DEN beats KC, they're in. Lose and OAK wins West if they beating SD. If DEN/OAK both lose, DEN wins division. KC is out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 24, 2011, 10:26:43 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 24, 2011, 10:23:16 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 24, 2011, 10:20:33 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 09:58:08 PM
Chargers getting hammered.

Good, who wins division of Raiders and Bronco's win last game?

AFC West: DEN beats KC, they're in. Lose and OAK wins West if they beating SD. If DEN/OAK both lose, DEN wins division. KC is out.

Cheers, so Den pretty much home and dry then. The bro-in-law was at defeat to Det last wkd,he still refuses totalk about it, that is going to be a costly costly defeat.

The only thing to hold onto is KC beat the Packers so you never know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 24, 2011, 10:57:46 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 24, 2011, 07:55:30 PM
An absolutely ridiculous TD in the Bengals game

(http://gifsoup.com/view1/3256748/gfggg-o.gif)

I tried that in a schools rugby match a long time ago and the result was a near broken neck!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Chargers reel off 10 in a row in 3rd quarter. Glimmer of hope at 24-10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 24, 2011, 11:19:42 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 24, 2011, 11:06:10 PM
Chargers reel off 10 in a row in 3rd quarter. Glimmer of hope at 24-10.

31-10 now, that glimmer is fading
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 25, 2011, 06:10:28 AM
Adrian Peterson tore his ACL against the Redskins. His fantasy stock might take a hit next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 25, 2011, 03:01:17 PM
Quote from: new devil on November 26, 2011, 06:43:03 PM
Will we have our Christmas dinner in the garden this year carmen? ;)
Just about to leave for MSG, Santa left me tickets for Knicks Celtics today, in budweiser suite as well!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 04:28:08 AM
Great win for the Knicks Carm

Raptors are perfect so far this season. I'll stop following them now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 04:49:13 AM
Drew Brees just broke Marino's passing record.

Fair play - an awesome player and a great guy off the field
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: new devil on December 27, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 04:49:13 AM
Drew Brees just broke Marino's passing record.

Fair play - an awesome player and a great guy off the field

Ohh you know him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 27, 2011, 11:08:50 AM
It's hard to compare Marinos record and the record Brees has set, due to changes in the passing game the last few years. Still a great achievement. Marinos is unbelievable when you compare how receivers were manhandled in those days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 27, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 04:49:13 AM
Drew Brees just broke Marino's passing record.

Fair play - an awesome player and a great guy off the field

Ohh you know him?

Obviously - otherwise I wouldn't have said it  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 27, 2011, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
Quote from: new devil on December 27, 2011, 09:51:09 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 04:49:13 AM
Drew Brees just broke Marino's passing record.

Fair play - an awesome player and a great guy off the field

Ohh you know him?

Obviously - otherwise I wouldn't have said it  ::)

Get the f**k outta here. I actually play golf every other thursday with Marino & Michael Jordan at Pebble Beech.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 05:37:41 PM
Jordan's an aul bollix when it comes to paying for his round, isn't he?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 27, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 05:37:41 PM
Jordan's an aul bollix when it comes to paying for his round, isn't he?

but apart from that he is grand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 28, 2011, 03:57:26 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 27, 2011, 09:06:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 27, 2011, 05:37:41 PM
Jordan's an aul bollix when it comes to paying for his round, isn't he?

but apart from that he is grand.

His "coughing fits" on your back swing would drive you to drink...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 31, 2011, 02:35:17 PM
Well who would you like to get in to the play-offs.

Giants Vs Cowboys will be interesting, hope the G-men make it in. Likewise in the AFC I hope the Raiders get in as I've had a soft spot for them and also Carson Palmer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
Mark Sanchez playing his last game as a NY jet hopefully.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2012, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 08:39:30 PM
Mark Sanchez playing his last game as a NY jet hopefully.

Yeah you just can't win with him. Not good enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 09:10:40 PM
Tennessee survive only just and still have a chance for playoff but why did Texans not take it to overtime?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 09:17:21 PM
Good game for Tebow to show what he is made off. Win and they win the Division.  Orton would like to stick it to Denver but
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 10:28:11 PM
Falcons 42
Buccs   00

with 6mins still to go in the 1st half.

I know the Buccs have nothing to play for but its encouraging. Still we need a huge game to beat the Saints in the Wildcard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2012, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 10:28:11 PM
Falcons 42
Buccs   00

with 6mins still to go in the 1st half.

I know the Buccs have nothing to play for but its encouraging. Still we need a huge game to beat the Saints in the Wildcard.

Juice - It will be Falcons against Cowboys/Giants, Lions v Saints
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 10:38:28 PM
yeah, just noticed that.

Thank god says I. think we can manage either of them two.

Matt Ryan has hit the showers already and its not even half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 01, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
Looks like Chargers gonna lose out head to head. Playing well tonight with no pressure on. Tebow v nervous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
so if the Bengals, Raiders and Broncos all lose what happens?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 11:37:17 PM
I think tennessee go through.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 01, 2012, 11:40:33 PM
I thought that Denver are though if SD win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
so if the Bengals, Raiders and Broncos all lose what happens?

I think they said there if Raiders lose Bengals and Broncos are in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 01, 2012, 11:45:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 01, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
so if the Bengals, Raiders and Broncos all lose what happens?

I think they said there if Raiders lose Bengals and Broncos are in.
Is it too early for the mathematicians to get their calculators out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 11:46:55 PM
Correct O Neill. Oakland loss leaves Denver division winners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 01, 2012, 11:49:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 01, 2012, 11:41:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 01, 2012, 11:34:22 PM
so if the Bengals, Raiders and Broncos all lose what happens?

I think they said there if Raiders lose Bengals and Broncos are in.

This is also correct.  I was wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 02, 2012, 12:03:29 AM
Tight now. Raiders closing in on Chargers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 02, 2012, 12:05:34 AM
Is there enough time for Tebow time?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 02, 2012, 12:13:13 AM
nope

so its looking like the Bengals and Broncos are through. Raiders are 12 down with 6 left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 02, 2012, 12:31:16 AM
Seattle-Arizona is going to overtime. I wonder would anyone hang around for it. I'd say even the players might run for the exit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: adevvabr on January 02, 2012, 12:42:16 AM
Eh Larry Fitzgerald...I think it'd be worth staying to watch just him, just made two unbelievable catches in overtime!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 02, 2012, 03:01:04 AM
Winner takes it all Giants-Cowboys game is turning into a bit of a damp squib. Giants 21-0 at half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 02, 2012, 03:10:29 AM
Nothing is going right for the cowboys. They inexplicably failed to pick up 2 fumbles by the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 02, 2012, 03:14:42 AM
Cowboys have to show more fight second half, they are better than this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 02, 2012, 03:21:10 AM
Holy shit, that's some start for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 02, 2012, 04:03:08 AM
Cowboys are back in it with 11 minutes to go in the fourth 21-14. The Cowboys defense have been strong in the second half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 02, 2012, 05:40:41 AM
NEW YORK FOOTBALL GIANTS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 02, 2012, 10:35:25 AM
Giants will be very dangerous in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 02, 2012, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2012, 10:35:25 AM
Giants will be very dangerous in the playoffs.

Cruz seems to be unstoppable at the moment. He has done away with 2 good teams in the last two weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 02, 2012, 01:20:01 PM
Cruz came out of nowhere this season - old Manningham must hate him! Looking forward to see what he is capable of next year when the Giants start building some serious plays around him.
Laurent Robinson was a joy to watch too, gifted receiver, serious speed and great hands.

Great win for the Giants. Eli had a rough 3rd quarter but that spin and bomb to Cruz was great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 02, 2012, 01:42:54 PM
Raiders didn't deserve to make the playoffs.

Too many collapses earlier in the season and yet all we had to do was beat the Chargers, who had nothing to play for, AT HOME and we would have won the AFC West.

Shocking defence all year. Once a GM is found you would hope they take a long look at Chuck B

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2012, 02:32:49 PM
Cards signed off in good style, but the same old silly plays making it closer than it should have been, which has been the modus operandum of the Cardiac Cards for years now. Still 7-2 finish after starting 1-6 is a great turnaround, and a hopeful sign for the future. They are still young, and don't need major surgery in the draft. Especially with Ryan Williams back next season at running back too.

A couple of big old hunks of beef on the O-Line and D-Line would be a good start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 03, 2012, 12:16:25 AM
Anyone wanting to watch great americian football watch the college games this week, Rose bowl, Fiesta bowl etc. all leading up to the championship game Next monday. Great games and true pasion where these guys are not overpaid spoilt convicts .....yet.
All that is good about this sport
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 03, 2012, 12:37:13 AM
Watching it right now :) The Rose Bowl shootout. 66 points with just 6 minutes gone in the third quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 03, 2012, 05:57:59 AM
Two classic games, Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. Both came down to the last play, Rose Bowl the QB didn't spike the ball fast enough on the opposition 20 yard line to stop the clock and Oregon win. Fiesta bowl, kicker misses for Stanford win with last kick of the game to put into OT, then misses in OT for OSU to win. Poor lad is a 1st year and I'm guessing pretty lonely in the dressing roon after teh game.
Couple more good ones to come over the week but next Monday will be a tense 3-0 win, flip of a coin to who however.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 03, 2012, 06:25:51 AM
Bill Polian has been fired by the Colts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2012, 12:26:41 PM
Any upsets this weekend.

It would be a pity if the Texans don't make the most of their good season, they should beat Cincy but the Bengals will make the most of the opportunity and would Dalton be potentially the first ginger lad QB a winning Superbowl team?

I pick the Texans



I can't see the Broncos winning but you just don't know, its really about Big Ben Vs the Denver defense. The Steelers defense should be too savy to let Tebow have room to run. If its close anything is possible.

I pick the Steelers




Lions are going to beat the Saints. I just think they will have learned from the last game and in a straight shoot out they are going to make it happen. They will have players on defense back like Suh who can make a difference.

I'm going with the Lions



The Falcons will be the Giants. The Falcons have learned from the last few years and are ready to make a move. This is a very interesting game as they are almost mirror images of each other. I suspect the Falcons just have that bit extra on Offence but their O-line needs to hold up and they need to make smart play calling to keep the Giants D-line off kilter.

Falcons for the W!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
I'm going Cincy, Steelers, Saints and Falcons

I think that Cincy may be able to grind out a win down in Houston, they are a tough bunch from the AFC North. Houston had an easy enough run with Manning being out. It's Houston's first playoff game, and I can see a let down.

Signs are on that NFL Ds are starting to figure out Tebow, and you just cannot beat good teams by throwing cack handed dead ducks through the air, and relying on an option play to work time and again. The Steelers will rough him up, and I see them winning handy.

Should be a good one down on the Bayou, but I pick the Saints here. They've proably been the most impressive team in the NFL since midway through the season when the Pack started to slow down slightly. If this were in Detroit I'd be even more inclined to pick the Lions, and Stafford and Megatron are a great combination, but Brees seems to have too many weapons for me. Might be a shootout.

Not impressed with either of the teams in the last game, but I think the Falcons are the better of the two. Cruz has been great for the Giants recently, but I think he's waging a one man war at times. The Falcons should have too much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 07, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
Lions to beat the Saints?????? You are not the only one to say it but come on they are not even close to the beating the Saints on the road imho. It is not like the saints have any injuries to key players. The Saints are my tip for the superbowl.

The rest I agree with. The Steelers have issues at running back but should be too strong for the Broncos.
The Texans should beat the Bengals if Andre Johnson plays the full game.
The Falcons might just beat the Giants but that game is too close to call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 07, 2012, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 07, 2012, 12:42:06 PM
Lions to beat the Saints?????? You are not the only one to say it but come on they are not even close to the beating the Saints on the road imho. It is not like the saints have any injuries to key players. The Saints are my tip for the superbowl.

The rest I agree with. The Steelers have issues at running back but should be too strong for the Broncos.
The Texans should beat the Bengals if Andre Johnson plays the full game.
The Falcons might just beat the Giants but that game is too close to call.

i think you can get odds of 5:1 on that result pretty sure thats what i saw in one of todays papers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 07, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Texans, Steelers, Saints, Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2012, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 07, 2012, 04:07:40 PM
Texans, Steelers, Saints, Giants.

As above.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
what time is tonight's games kicking off around on this side of the big green and blue marble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 07, 2012, 08:24:40 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 07, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
what time is tonight's games kicking off around on this side of the big green and blue marble.

Houston game at 9.30pm and Saints game 1am
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
right so, beers ready. good high tempo play so far. should be a fun game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2012, 10:18:36 PM
Really looking forward to the playoffs - apart from the Stanley Cup Final itself - its the best part of American sports
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 07, 2012, 10:39:42 PM
Bengals looking the better so far. Dalton is playing quite well and they could even be winning by more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 12:26:22 AM
Right want a bet on the next. Thinking saints -11 what you all think?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 12:26:22 AM
Right want a bet on the next. Thinking saints -11 what you all think?

Yeah I would go for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 12:33:56 AM
Ok Minder its on you!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2012, 12:36:41 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 12:33:56 AM
Ok Minder its on you!

This day last year I did them to cover the spread against the Seahawks.........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 12:44:08 AM
I was in Vegas. Best place for games! Bets on, come on the saints!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 08, 2012, 02:45:13 AM
Well if I had to call it at the half I would go with the Lions. They are up 14-10 and their D Line is putting pressure on Brees.

The Texans came through easily enough 31-10. Apart from QB they are the best team in the NFL right now imho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 04:18:03 AM
Nice one minder! Bit of a sweat but Brees a different class. Owe you a pint when I get home!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 08:31:16 AM
The Lions simply didn't take the turnover opportunities in the second half that were put on a plate for them. But there you go.   you have to take those opportunities against the Saints
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 08, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
The Saints have so many options on offense it's unreal.
Calvin Johnson had some game,best receiver in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 08, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
Sproles has proven to be some signing for the saints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2012, 12:12:00 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 08, 2012, 11:52:01 AM
The Saints have so many options on offense it's unreal.
Calvin Johnson had some game,best receiver in the league.

Yeah I think that's why they will win the Super Bowl, I think having Sproles gives them a slight edge over the Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2012, 04:54:19 PM
Do the Saints travel to San Francisco now? If so, that's a tricky tie for them. San Fran would be exactly the dour sort that would give the Saints trouble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2012, 04:54:19 PM
Do the Saints travel to San Francisco now? If so, that's a tricky tie for them. San Fran would be exactly the dour sort that would give the Saints trouble.

Yeah Saints @ 49ers (early Saturday)

& Steeelers/Broncos @ Pats (late Saturday)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 06:28:27 PM
So far so not far at all for both teams. Still think Falcons will get the edge but the crowd noise is deafening even from where I'm sitting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 06:43:55 PM
Mike Smith loves going on 4th and short but it wasn't going to work on the Giants. should have kicked
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 08:02:53 PM
Falcons have to get a TD on this drive or they can forget about this game. C'mon make it f**king happen!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 08:08:47 PM
To many penalties for the falcons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2012, 08:09:33 PM
Why not kick a fieldgoal there? You'd be down by 5 with over a quarter left. That's crazy stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2012, 08:10:39 PM
Fairly paid for it now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 08:13:15 PM
mike smith has some deluded ideas about what his O-line are capable of. seriously he cant f**king resist a 4th and 1 in every situation. the score could easily be 10-8 if he just kicked for FG.

And if you're going to go for it, use some imagination for christs sakes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
Also Mike Mularkey our OC has to be given his P45. He has no imagination when calling plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 08:24:58 PM
Will Pittsburgh injuries effect the next one much?
Pittsburg -7.5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 08:26:16 PM
Nice TD. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 08, 2012, 08:39:15 PM
Looking easy for the Giants now. Those two fourth down plays were insane.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 08:24:58 PM
Will Pittsburgh injuries effect the next one much?
Pittsburg -7.5.


I was wrong. It's 9 with our local bookie. Took them anyhow. Let's go Steelers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 08:53:31 PM
I wonder what happens next for the Falcons. Matt Ryans contract if it gets an extension certainly wont be of the same value of his previous one. I also wonder if Mike Smith will be kept. Tony Gonzales might not be back next year.  I am getting the feeling that there is a glass ceiling at the first round of the play-offs for this team and something needs to change.

Its great that this team are posting winning seasons back to back now, but we need to improve into a team that wins in the post-season and look like they might win a Superbowl.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 08, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
A new OC might do something for the Falcons. Watching them I always feel their offence is very vanilla despite having a decent QB, a good RB and two explosive WR's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 08, 2012, 09:15:21 PM
Giants vs Packers should be a good game. So too Sainst vs 49ers.

Hard to believe but the Giants had one of the lowest ranked defenses of all the play-off teams, we will see their true worth next week.

Big meeting in the morning so going to bed. Good night all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LostInSpace on January 08, 2012, 09:34:55 PM
Anyone got a link to watch Broncos v Steelers match online??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 10:12:39 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/ (http://www.vipbox.tv/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
Timmy T is rolling
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 08, 2012, 10:50:52 PM
Big Ben is in bad shape. Looks like its going to be Denver's day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 08, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
The bigger issue for the steelers seems to be their secondary or lack thereof. That's 3 big passing plays in the second quarter alone
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 09, 2012, 01:06:37 AM
Overtime now. Who knows how this will end up? McGahees fumble was key for the Steelers comeback. The only turnover given up by the Broncos, if you don't turn the ball over you are very hard to beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 09, 2012, 01:08:07 AM
That was awesome!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 09, 2012, 01:11:04 AM
Some finish. First play of OT ends it.

Don't like their chances away to the Pats next weekend though. Imagine the Pats will be pretty happy to be facing the Broncos rather than the Steelers. Even if it's a banged up Steelers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on January 09, 2012, 01:23:29 AM
Caught the last five minutes in the 4th quarter and then the twenty seconds of OT... Fairly exciting finish to the game!

How come the Steelers didn't even attempt a field goal on their last play in regulation??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on January 09, 2012, 01:43:08 AM
Amazing, what a man Tebow is, but also what a team Denver are. Some massive plays by the D and from Thomas.
Celt_man, i'd say they might have been worried that if they missed and there was a second or two left on the clock that Prater would have nailed it the other way, he has a big leg in that thin air and sure he was hitting the upright from the kickoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 09, 2012, 02:48:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK9FKMG3Nc&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMK9FKMG3Nc&feature=player_embedded)

Lets go Broncos
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 09, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
Optimism starting to grow in NYC. People talking about the possibility of beating the Packers on Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on January 10, 2012, 01:43:45 AM
Quote from: The Claw on January 09, 2012, 01:43:08 AM
Amazing, what a man Tebow is, but also what a team Denver are. Some massive plays by the D and from Thomas.
Celt_man, i'd say they might have been worried that if they missed and there was a second or two left on the clock that Prater would have nailed it the other way, he has a big leg in that thin air and sure he was hitting the upright from the kickoffs.

So if the Steelers went for a FG and missed then Denver would have had the ball from the place the FG attempt took place??

the finer point of NFL elude me at times
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 10, 2012, 04:27:38 AM
ROLL TIDE !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 10, 2012, 07:29:02 AM
Crap game.
The BCS needs to bring in a playoff. These teams were off for over 40 days after playing every week prior to that, no reason the top eight teams couldn't have a Q/F, S/F and Final. There would be no questions then around who the real No 1 team is. I still think over the season LSU had the more impressive schedule, beat way more top 10 teams than Bama and obviously got caught tonight when they had all to loose and Bama had nothing to loose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 10, 2012, 01:43:45 AM
Quote from: The Claw on January 09, 2012, 01:43:08 AM
Amazing, what a man Tebow is, but also what a team Denver are. Some massive plays by the D and from Thomas.
Celt_man, i'd say they might have been worried that if they missed and there was a second or two left on the clock that Prater would have nailed it the other way, he has a big leg in that thin air and sure he was hitting the upright from the kickoffs.

So if the Steelers went for a FG and missed then Denver would have had the ball from the place the FG attempt took place??

the finer point of NFL elude me at times

Yes. A missed field goal is a turnover of possession, and the ball would have been placed at the spot the kick was taken.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ludermor on January 10, 2012, 11:58:58 AM
Any of ye wise ones heard of this lad ? Young lad from dublin living in the State a few years now and seems to be making a name for himself as a kicker.
I know his mother and she was saying there are scouts from the big professional clubs all over him. 
http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2011/contrib/2011121927448a
http://www.ecgulls.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=5454
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
I've never heard of the lad, and to be honest I'd find it a bit odd that pro 'scouts' are all over him. Firstly, he's a kicker. Secondly, he's A Division III colleges kicker, and thirdly he was named to the 2nd team all American at D3 level.

It's not unheard of for small college kids to make it, but it is a lot harder than for kids who go to at least Division 1 schools. And even if they do make it, it's usually as an undrafted free agent, basically going for trials. Certainly a Division III kicker would not be attracting huge attention, and would be almost unheard of to be drafted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 10, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
Hue gets the boot from the Raiders apparantly.

Perhaps all those comments about wanting more power were ill advised on the back of a new GM being appointed, an 8-8 season (including several lasy quarter collapses), the NFL record for penalties and a disasterous trade for CP3

Just hope McKenzie gets the right people in and maybe in 2-3 years we can start to challenge again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 10, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Last D3 player to get drafted was Pierre Garcon in 2008
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2012, 09:18:26 PM
The Raiders were unlucky with injuries to Campbell & McFadden.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 10, 2012, 09:36:57 PM
Chuck B's defensive plan fcuked the Raiders more than Cambell and RunDMC being out. As did Hue's bizzarre (at times) play calling and poor time management.

The complete lack of discipline was a killer but when Rolando got to play v Miami it showed Hue wasn't about to clamp down.

Having said all that I kinda liked Hue and would have given him 1 more season with a decent DC on board. All he needed was reigned in a bit. We ain't getting many new players in the draft and Hue knows these guys pretty well.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on January 10, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Lads i sat up for Alabama and LSU last Night,and it put me to sleep. Was i alone there?
Id have loved to have seen Oklahoma State in the mix,they would have made it more exciting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ludermor on January 10, 2012, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 10, 2012, 01:38:24 PM
I've never heard of the lad, and to be honest I'd find it a bit odd that pro 'scouts' are all over him. Firstly, he's a kicker. Secondly, he's A Division III colleges kicker, and thirdly he was named to the 2nd team all American at D3 level.

It's not unheard of for small college kids to make it, but it is a lot harder than for kids who go to at least Division 1 schools. And even if they do make it, it's usually as an undrafted free agent, basically going for trials. Certainly a Division III kicker would not be attracting huge attention, and would be almost unheard of to be drafted.
That makes sense AZ, prob a proud mother getting carried with the stories she is hearing from accross the Atlantic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2012, 11:37:32 PM
Predictions for the Weekend lads? Going for:

Packers
49ers
Patriots
Ravens
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 11, 2012, 02:05:57 AM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 10, 2012, 11:37:32 PM
Predictions for the Weekend lads? Going for:

Packers
49ers
Patriots
Ravens


NFL Lines Divisional Playoffs - NFL Football Line
Divisional Playoff Games
NFL Game Lines 1/14 - 1/15, 2012
Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total
1/14 4:30 ET New Orleans -3.5 At San Francisco 47.5
1/14 8:00 ET At New England -13.5 Denver 50.5
1/15 1:00 ET At Baltimore -7.5 Houston 36
1/15 4:30 ET At Green Bay -7.5 NY Giants 52.5




Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 11, 2012, 02:12:56 AM
Giants (hitting form at right time and were very unlucky to lose last month)
Broncos (Patriots haven't won a play-off game in four years, despite excellent regular season form. Denver could easily pull off another shock. Or they may get hammered!!)
Ravens
Saints (probably the best team in it right now)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 11, 2012, 05:59:12 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 10, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Lads i sat up for Alabama and LSU last Night,and it put me to sleep. Was i alone there?
Id have loved to have seen Oklahoma State in the mix,they would have made it more exciting.

As i said earlier, crap game. However, remember if OK state were in the game it would have been LSU not Alabama. I'd like to have seen Stanford there, they were better than OK state in the Fiesta bowl but for a poor kicker!
Still believe a playoff would be great, December Madness! They have 4 BCS bowl games and add two more, maybe cotton bowl and another one you have 6 there for a Q/F, S/F and then final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 11, 2012, 01:22:34 PM
49ers up against it agin the Saints but that poor defense bound to catch them out some time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 11, 2012, 05:59:12 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 10, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Lads i sat up for Alabama and LSU last Night,and it put me to sleep. Was i alone there?
Id have loved to have seen Oklahoma State in the mix,they would have made it more exciting.

As i said earlier, crap game. However, remember if OK state were in the game it would have been LSU not Alabama. I'd like to have seen Stanford there, they were better than OK state in the Fiesta bowl but for a poor kicker!
Still believe a playoff would be great, December Madness! They have 4 BCS bowl games and add two more, maybe cotton bowl and another one you have 6 there for a Q/F, S/F and then final.

I agree with this. Disappointed the game wasn't a better spectacle, but these things happen. However, I think the NCAA are just cutting off their nose to spite their face with this. Imagine the top 8 BCS schools in 4 quarter finals, 2 semi and a final?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 11, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 11, 2012, 05:59:12 AM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on January 10, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
Lads i sat up for Alabama and LSU last Night,and it put me to sleep. Was i alone there?
Id have loved to have seen Oklahoma State in the mix,they would have made it more exciting.

As i said earlier, crap game. However, remember if OK state were in the game it would have been LSU not Alabama. I'd like to have seen Stanford there, they were better than OK state in the Fiesta bowl but for a poor kicker!
Still believe a playoff would be great, December Madness! They have 4 BCS bowl games and add two more, maybe cotton bowl and another one you have 6 there for a Q/F, S/F and then final.

I agree with this. Disappointed the game wasn't a better spectacle, but these things happen. However, I think the NCAA are just cutting off their nose to spite their face with this. Imagine the top 8 BCS schools in 4 quarter finals, 2 semi and a final?

You would imagine they could easily do this. Sure there is about a 6 week break from the end of the regular season until the BCS title game as it is. Could easily fit in a round of quarter-finaks and semi-finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ExcellentDriver on January 11, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
The only thing America is talking about: ;)

(http://liveaction.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/tebow-not-tonight-ladies1.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on January 11, 2012, 05:51:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 10, 2012, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: Celt_Man on January 10, 2012, 01:43:45 AM
Quote from: The Claw on January 09, 2012, 01:43:08 AM
Amazing, what a man Tebow is, but also what a team Denver are. Some massive plays by the D and from Thomas.
Celt_man, i'd say they might have been worried that if they missed and there was a second or two left on the clock that Prater would have nailed it the other way, he has a big leg in that thin air and sure he was hitting the upright from the kickoffs.

So if the Steelers went for a FG and missed then Denver would have had the ball from the place the FG attempt took place??

the finer point of NFL elude me at times

Yes. A missed field goal is a turnover of possession, and the ball would have been placed at the spot the kick was taken.

Aha I see... Cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2012, 08:23:12 PM
Looking forward to the NFL this weekend. SF have been brilliant on defense all year but I just think Drew Brees and co are on fire and almost unstoppable. US Murph on Off the Ball said they're "only" averaging 25 odd points away from the Superdome - I reckon 25 points wins this game. NO's defense is not great but neither is SF's offense. I go 27-23 to New Orleans. In the later game I expect New England to rip Denver apart. I thought Denver had a good chance last week and of course NE's defense is shaky but I guarantee Tebow doesn't get 300 yards on 10 completions this week. Belichick will have him taped. 37-21 to the Patriots. I suspect Baltimore/Houston is going to be a real grind fest. Two top defenses against two QB's who will struggle with the passing game. Both offenses will run the ball with their studs and it could be a special teams effort or a great catch by AJ or Torry Smith that decides this. Baltimore, just 23-16. Final game sees the Giants travel to Lambeau where the Packers have home field (dis)advantage. For all their brilliance the Pack can't run the ball and don't stop the run. Doesn't matter when you throw for 400+ yards and get a few turnovers but can Rodgers and co continue to lacerate secondaries in frigid conditions? Possibly but I'm not going to be surprised if they struggle. I like the Giants as they have loads of possible big play makers on both sides of the ball. Their secondary is poor but maybe they can overcome that by winning in the trenches. Giants 33-31.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 11, 2012, 11:25:09 PM
Saints, Packer, Patriots and Ravens should be the winners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2012, 02:20:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHB0o9lCizQ

Tim Tebowie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
How bout them Niners?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2012, 01:13:24 AM
What a finish
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2012, 01:19:28 AM
Davis TD was carbon copy of the TO touchdown catch with few seconds remaining against Green Bay in 97, I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 01:22:01 AM
Defo game of the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 15, 2012, 01:28:18 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2012, 10:20:39 PM
How bout them Niners?

The wife's cousin's wife is an ex 9er cheerleader and is going nuts.

What a game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2012, 03:59:55 AM
Back in your box Tim.

Tom is still the daddy!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on January 15, 2012, 04:12:12 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2012, 03:59:55 AM
Back in your box Tim.

Tom is still the daddy!!

It has been a good season.  Avoided consecutive losing seasons, won the AFC West, first playoff win in six years.  I admire talent and class and that's what Brady and Co have in abundance.  You offered me a Divisional play-off match against the Patriots back in week one I would have snapped it up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 15, 2012, 04:00:51 PM
Hell of a win last night for the niners. Its amazing how much they have improved under Harough. I'm not sure if the talent they have available has changed much over the years but they've had a few coaches.

As for the other game well it wasn't a shock by any means. Pats are looking good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
Yeah the Pats did what they had to do. The Broncos were always going to have difficulty keeping up with the rate the Pats can score at and as you would expect the Pats did their homework and managed to keep Tebow bottled up. Plus once they jumped out to a big lead it forced Tebow to throw more than the Broncos probably hoped for.

49ers and Saints was one of the best playoff games in years. Think the lead changed hands 4 times in the last 4 minutes.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 09:12:08 PM
Baltimore will get killed by New England if they perform like that again.
Next game should be good!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 09:17:22 PM
Not much in that game. Terrible mistake by Jacoby Jones early on proved the difference. Gifted the Ravens 7 points.

Texans had more passing and rushing yards but the errors killed them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2012, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 09:17:22 PM
Not much in that game. Terrible mistake by Jacoby Jones early on proved the difference. Gifted the Ravens 7 points.

Texans had more passing and rushing yards but the errors killed them.

Schaub at QB would probably have won that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 10:17:26 PM
Big Blue started strong!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2012, 10:22:03 PM
That was some bullshit call
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 10:29:02 PM
Giants unlucky there. Don't know how that wasn't ruled a fumble. Seemed fairly clear.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 10:30:05 PM
Unreal! How do you not reverse that call?  Gift of a TD for Packers, could be a massive call!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on January 15, 2012, 10:34:21 PM
Luck going against the Giants early on which does not auger well at Lambeau... Need to keep the scores tight and stay with the Packers or they could lose this by 2-3 TDs  :-\ hopefully not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2012, 10:47:27 PM
Quote from: sammymaguire on January 15, 2012, 10:34:21 PM
Luck going against the Giants early on which does not auger well at Lambeau... Need to keep the scores tight and stay with the Packers or they could lose this by 2-3 TDs  :-\ hopefully not.

I think the Giants will be in this to the death.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 10:54:22 PM
Got to make them pay now.  Manning was looking so good that last drive til the interception, good pressure on him for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 11:01:09 PM
Did Manning just throw that with his eyes closed?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2012, 11:02:58 PM
He seems to end a lot of his throws with his eyes closed or head turned the other way alright
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
Ha ha, unreal! Great stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2012, 11:11:13 PM
Oh my word
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 15, 2012, 11:12:39 PM
Huge.. On balance of play they deserve that lead
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 11:21:25 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 11:01:09 PM
Did Manning just throw that with his eyes closed?

There is a theory that Eli is the luckiest QB in history. Amazing the amount of big plays his receivers have made down through the years that make him look good. Unbelievable helmet catch by Tyree in the Superbowl and even this season Cruz has been catching 10 yard passes, shaking off tackles and going 80 yards with them for TD's and now Nicks has made two huge plays today.

No that Eli is bad but his receivers make him look even better when they do things like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Eli this year has proved he is every bit as good as Bree's and Rodgers.  You can say the catches are lucky, but the passes are on the money everytime, this gives the receiver an opportunity to get lucky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 15, 2012, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 15, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Eli this year has proved he is every bit as good as Bree's and Rodgers.  You can say the catches are lucky, but the passes are on the money everytime, this gives the receiver an opportunity to get lucky.

I wouldn't say they are on the money. Some of them are just chucked up there for the receiver to try and get. The second Nicks one could just as easily have been picked. That was all Nicks. The Tyree one was just an unbelievable catch. He had probably a 20% chance of catching that if even that. And the Cruz catches are simple 10 yard throws that Cruz turns into something by shaking off tacklers and running the length of the field.

I mean Eli is pretty good but I can't think of a QB that has had receivers make so many great plays for him in big games in recent years. Often out of very little
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2012, 12:26:40 AM
Looks like game over. Like the first game turnovers have been the winning of it.

Will be some hard hitting at Giants @ 49ers next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2012, 12:28:49 AM
That should do it. Packers have been sloppy with the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2012, 12:30:25 AM
What were the odds on a Giants-49ers NFC Championship game?

Packers looked ordinary today.  the turnovers & dropped passes have hurt them. That said the NY defensive line can snuff out anyone as we've seen over the years again and again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2012, 12:35:03 AM
Been some real bad calls against the Giants as well. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 4father on January 16, 2012, 12:36:49 AM
Not out of it yet
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2012, 12:38:06 AM
Giants won't want a 3 and out here anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 4father on January 16, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
By the way, how was that call a 'blow to the head'?  That gave the penalty which led to the touch down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 16, 2012, 12:39:24 AM
Came from another terrible referee decision.  That's two touchdowns thanks to the officials.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 16, 2012, 12:42:58 AM
Some catch from driver but the decisions against the giants are absolutely horrible. I can't believe how consistently every decision has gone to green bay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2012, 12:57:31 AM
49ers will probably be happy enough. Get to stay at home for the championship game now. Fancy them and the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 16, 2012, 01:07:02 AM
two play off games and two underdogs take the Win.
The Saints 49'ers was an excellent game, maybe game of the year after Giants Packers I from earlier in the season.

Giants deservedly won this evening. Officials decisions against the Giants were horrible and blatant.
Secondary looked dodgy in the 3rd Q but turned it around and Eli (you have to tip the hat to him) was on fire.

LETS GO BIG BLUE
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2012, 02:31:23 AM
Outstanding display by the Giants this evening again, despite some very dodgy decisions against them. The defense has been immense the past few games, while Manning continues his superb form all season. Good to see the likes of Nicks stepping up the past few games to take the pressure off Cruz. Definitely think they can take the 49ers next week. Should be a cracking game, whichever way it goes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 16, 2012, 01:43:47 PM
Saints will be absolutely sickened. To blow that lead and a chance of a home NFC decider V Giants who have they would have confident of taking apart again. Greg Williams job has to be called into question.  2 play offs in a row they have allowed big plays versus fairly limited offences.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 16, 2012, 01:46:36 PM
Other teams are obviously paying more attention to Cruz now. Nicks has been able to take advantage. The reverse would  have applied earlier in the season. Nicks has 4 TDs and 300 yards in two playoff games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2012, 03:01:20 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on January 16, 2012, 01:43:47 PM
Saints will be absolutely sickened. To blow that lead and a chance of a home NFC decider V Giants who have they would have confident of taking apart again. Greg Williams job has to be called into question.  2 play offs in a row they have allowed big plays versus fairly limited offences.

There was always a chance both New Orleans and Green Bay would get caught with both defenses being poor this year. Thought the Giants had a pretty good chance against the Packers but couldn't see the Niners keeping pace with the Saints. Those gifted points at the start killed the Saints though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 16, 2012, 03:20:46 PM
So much for Green Bay being the best team ever!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 16, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
Imagine Christmas dinner in the Manning's house with Eli sitting there across the table from Peyton deliberately shining the light of 2 Superbowl rings into his brothers face. It's bad enough the Roethlisberger has won 2 more Superbowls than Dan Marino.

I think the Pats are far from home and dry. Baltimore will know that they can get to Brady and they are no slouches on the other side of the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2012, 04:55:37 PM
Could be the Harbowl yet. I'm not overly surprised that the niners and Giants won, although I'd have thought Green Bay would have too much at home. Looking forward to the next weekend now. San Francisco versus New York in San Fran, and Baltimore travelling to New England. Baltimore will have to run the ball well, to let Flacco try to pick on the NE secondary, but if they do, I can see the Ravens D coming up big.

I'm going for the Ravens v the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 20, 2012, 01:41:01 PM
Rams v Patriots at Wembley October 28.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 20, 2012, 01:46:07 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 16, 2012, 04:50:56 PM
I think the Pats are far from home and dry. Baltimore will know that they can get to Brady and they are no slouches on the other side of the ball.

Ravens actually don't have a great pass rush. They only had 3 sacks their last 3 games of the season and 0 sacks against the Texans last week. They stop the run very well alright but unless they can get to Brady consistently he will carve them up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 20, 2012, 01:41:01 PM
Rams v Patriots at Wembley October 28.

Rams for next three years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 20, 2012, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 20, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 20, 2012, 01:41:01 PM
Rams v Patriots at Wembley October 28.

Rams for next three years.

They'd want to improve a lot fairly swiftly. Can't imagine there'd be many stumping up to watch the Patriots hammer them.

I think this is a big mistake to be honest. They struggled to sell out this season in Wembley as no-one was that keen to see the Buccs again. 3 years of the Rams will put a lot of people off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 20, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 20, 2012, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 20, 2012, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 20, 2012, 01:41:01 PM
Rams v Patriots at Wembley October 28.

Rams for next three years.

They'd want to improve a lot fairly swiftly. Can't imagine there'd be many stumping up to watch the Patriots hammer them.

I think this is a big mistake to be honest. They struggled to sell out this season in Wembley as no-one was that keen to see the Buccs again. 3 years of the Rams will put a lot of people off.

Guess they are banking that Fisher will improve the Rams which he probably will. Plus they barely had Bradford fit this season so will hope he's healthy too. Still though on paper it's not a match-up that looks like it will sell quickly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2012, 07:00:22 PM
Been covered in the Death Notices thread - but Joe Paterno died this morning of lung cancer

Expecting two tight championship games this evening.

Lots of rain in SF - expect a low scoring game dominated by the run
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 22, 2012, 07:38:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2012, 07:00:22 PM
Been covered in the Death Notices thread - but Joe Paterno died this morning of lung cancer

Expecting two tight championship games this evening.

Lots of rain in SF - expect a low scoring game dominated by the run

Shitty, soggy pitch. Low scoring with the Giants winning because they'll get more throws off. Running the ball will be very tough on a surface like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2012, 10:19:51 PM
Good tight game here - big fumble on the kick return there if the Ravens can do anything with it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2012, 10:30:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2012, 10:19:51 PM
Good tight game here - big fumble on the kick return there if the Ravens can do anything with it

Think the Ravens win this, been impressed by Flacco, for a change.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 22, 2012, 11:01:51 PM
fingers crossed for a Ravens win though a repeat of Pats-Giants Superbowl would be nice. Though Brady almost killed himself going over the top for that TD.

Rice doing well but cant keep it going all the time. Passing game has to do a bit of the lifting too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 22, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
Oh no .... What a miss!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 22, 2012, 11:11:37 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on January 22, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
Oh no .... What a miss!!
Cost them the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 22, 2012, 11:12:41 PM
Shocking finish from the Ravens. They had it all but won with the pass on 2nd that somehow got slapped out and then that kick was just terrible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 22, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
Lee Evans, what a fumble
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 22, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Who'd be a kicker? I'd say Cundiff would love the ground to open up and swallow him rather than go into the locker room to face his teammates.

Two huge plays from Moore there right at the end. One strip of a TD and one block of a pass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2012, 11:19:49 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 22, 2012, 11:16:18 PM
Who'd be a kicker? I'd say Cundiff would love the ground to open up and swallow him rather than go into the locker room to face his teammates.

Two huge plays from Moore there right at the end. One strip of a TD and one block of a pass.

Yeah Evans has to hold on to that though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 22, 2012, 11:27:56 PM
great, 2 bloody weeks of Tom Brady worship.  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 23, 2012, 02:36:18 AM
49ers punt returner just touched the ball and pretended he didn't. It worked but not with instant replay, a game changing mistake. Touchdown pass to Manningham has the Giants up 17-14 half way through the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2012, 03:20:33 AM
How many overtimes are allowed before a draw game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2012, 03:22:31 AM
Two good defenses here!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2012, 03:28:14 AM
Big blue have it now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2012, 03:35:45 AM
Patriots vs NY Giants
Lets get it on!  :)
Fancy the giants to win it as well!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2012, 03:50:28 AM
Eli Manning, first quarter back in history to win five road playoff games!
Not bad for a lucky quarterback!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 23, 2012, 04:04:49 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 23, 2012, 03:50:28 AM
Eli Manning, first quarter back in history to win five road playoff games!
Not bad for a lucky quarterback!

Amazing performance from Manning tonight given the onslaught he was on the receiving end of. I think they'll beat the Patriots after coming through that. What a tense, tough game! Great performances from the two defenses. Kyle Williams, unfortunately for him, was the difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 23, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
Great weekend of football. A lot of anxiety in our house on Sunday. Feel bad for the Ravens. They really threw that game away. Some bad decisions and fell horrible for their kicker.
The Giants nearly gave me a heart attack. I was on edge going into the game and then couldn't watch it at times. Full house all supporting big blue, great times and a Superbowl now to look forward to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2012, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 23, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
Great weekend of football. A lot of anxiety in our house on Sunday. Feel bad for the Ravens. They really threw that game away. Some bad decisions and fell horrible for their kicker.
The Giants nearly gave me a heart attack. I was on edge going into the game and then couldn't watch it at times. Full house all supporting big blue, great times and a Superbowl now to look forward to.

Ravens should have won that game. And while the kicker needs a kick in the arse for not calling a timeout before the kick, I blame Lee Evans. You have to hold onto that fecking catch. He was turning around to celebrate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 23, 2012, 01:59:39 PM
As is often the way these tight playoff games are decided by mistakes. Billy Cundiff and Lee Evans for the Ravens only to be topped later by Kyle Williams dropping two howlers to gift the Giants 10 points just when it looked like they were running out of ideas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 23, 2012, 11:25:36 PM
Just watched last nights 49ers game. What on earth was Kyle Williams doing. The poor lad has had a nightmare with those two howlers. Manning showed a fair bit of steel after being dumped on his ass six times. As a 49ers fan though I'm gutted, thought the defence was outstanding and didn't deserve to lose that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 23, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
The Giants should win this game now. They have a defense and the Patriots don't. Tom Brady might make them competitive but the Giants should have too much overall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 12:35:34 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 23, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
The Giants should win this game now. They have a defense and the Patriots don't.

Only partially true. The Pats run D is actually pretty good. They more or less shut down the Broncos and the Ravens from running the ball in their last two games. It's their pass D that has been terrible this season.

The Giants defensive line is fantastic but their linebackers and secondary are only average. The pressure their defensive line usually gets on the opposition QB hides a lot of flaws in the rest of their defence.

The Superbowl seems straight forward enough to figure out. If the Pats can protect Brady enough to give him time to find his receivers the Pats will probably win. If like in 07 he spends the game running for his life the Giants will repeat their 07 win. That of course doesn't take into account other variables like turnovers which could tip the balance one team's way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 24, 2012, 12:06:03 PM
The biggest problem for the Giants may be their O Line, Eli was being hit , sacked or knocked down 1 in 3 times he dropped back on Sunday. 49ers didn't make any big hits to shake him though. I have a feeling that Belichick may not have his linebackers be just as forgiving on any blitz.
Roughing the passer only gets a 15 yard penalty...
Same might just be true for Fewell- the Giants pass rush has been very effective, but as per Sunday, Pats can win with Brady having a bad day at the office, not sure the Giants can say the same about Eli
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 24, 2012, 04:12:10 PM
Gutted by the 49ers loss, it was a game there for the taking.

Manning put in a huge shift but a lot has been mentioned about no turnovers, he threw 2 clear picks only for the 49ers to fall over themselves twice, what could go wrong did go wrong and a real missed oppertunity, we should really be discussing the Harbough bowl.

Giants should go on and win it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 24, 2012, 04:12:10 PM
Manning put in a huge shift but a lot has been mentioned about no turnovers, he threw 2 clear picks only for the 49ers to fall over themselves twice, what could go wrong did go wrong and a real missed oppertunity, we should really be discussing the Harbough bowl.

That's Eli for ya. I said it before but the fella was born with a four leaf clover up his backside. The amount of off-balance throws he makes that should be picked but end up not being picked is amazing. The 49ers missed two clear interceptions because they were so anxious to get to the ball that they were knocking each other out of the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 24, 2012, 07:15:47 PM
Anyone who dismisses Manning as merely lucky doesn't know what they're talking about. And I'm sure if you take any quarterback, you'll find close calls in terms of picks.  They often have to throw into spaces with inches to spare, so its going to happen, no matter how accurate the thrower. Give Manning and the Giants the credit they're due after the injuries, the free agent losses and the reliance on new players they've had this season. And for those saying Manning has been lucky with the likes of Victor Cruz, well maybe its the other way around. Who'd be talking about Cruz had he been a receiver for Denver this year instead? Same with Ballard. Manning is the primary reason the Giants are where they are this season. He got the blame for his turnovers last year. Give him the credit for his superb performances tbis year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
Eli is good alright in fact very good at times this season but he's also lucky. A formidable combination.

I remember reading a stat from a year or so ago where it said Eli's QB rating is almost identical in wins and losses. He plays at about the same level either way but the Giants tend to win a lot of close games.

Whereas someone like Rodgers actually had a poor enough record in close games with the Packers despite the fact that he actually usually plays very well himself and with a higher QB rating than Eli. Green Bay just tends to lose close games no matter how well Rodgers plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 24, 2012, 10:39:07 PM
Manning played very well on Sunday yet had a relatively low QB rating. That stat doesn't give the whole picture. Not saying Eli is in that very top tier with Rodgers and Brady, but he's close. I'd never fear for the Giants against any team based on Eli.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 24, 2012, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
Eli is good alright in fact very good at times this season but he's also lucky. A formidable combination.

I remember reading a stat from a year or so ago where it said Eli's QB rating is almost identical in wins and losses. He plays at about the same level either way but the Giants tend to win a lot of close games.

Whereas someone like Rodgers actually had a poor enough record in close games with the Packers despite the fact that he actually usually plays very well himself and with a higher QB rating than Eli. Green Bay just tends to lose close games no matter how well Rodgers plays.
Isnt it better to be LUCKY and GOOD than just Good. Imo it is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 24, 2012, 11:13:32 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on January 24, 2012, 11:08:39 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 24, 2012, 08:56:59 PM
Eli is good alright in fact very good at times this season but he's also lucky. A formidable combination.

I remember reading a stat from a year or so ago where it said Eli's QB rating is almost identical in wins and losses. He plays at about the same level either way but the Giants tend to win a lot of close games.

Whereas someone like Rodgers actually had a poor enough record in close games with the Packers despite the fact that he actually usually plays very well himself and with a higher QB rating than Eli. Green Bay just tends to lose close games no matter how well Rodgers plays.
Isnt it better to be LUCKY and GOOD than just Good. Imo it is.

I think youse are all missing a key point here. Yes he's good, yes he's lucky, but he also has a bloody fantastic group of receivers. The Giants can rush the passer really well, and they get big plays from the passing game, they also have momentum. I think it's going to be a really close game, the Pats O-line holds they key to whether they can win or not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2012, 03:10:29 PM
One thing Manning has that you jut can't buy is he seems to play well in the big games. Since the Jets game before Christmas (when it has been knockout for them) his TD/INT stats are 12tds-2int.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2012, 07:33:25 PM
Seems like Peyton Manning isn't happy with the way things are in Indy with a large number of people being shown the door. He said he wanted to play at Indy for his whole career but would understand if its not possible. That said he might even just hang it up, he's won a superbowl, he's 35, just had surgery, and is considered one of if not the best QB of all time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 25, 2012, 11:50:56 PM
Peyton's situation is a sticky one. They are taking Andrew Luck and he should be worthy of starting (look at what Cam Newton did last year). So who'll want Peyton? Someone looking for a short term significant upgrade at QB that might turn them into contenders - do I hear you saying J-E-T-S??!!!! Both Mannings in the big apple would be something, especially if the younger, less celebrated brother has 2 rings versus his older brothers 1!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 26, 2012, 02:19:50 AM
There's been some talk in NYC about Peyton coming to the Jets, with Eli questioned about it last week too (he didn't give anything away!). The Jets GM and Rex Ryan didn't rule it completely out either in interviews I heard. There's also been some speculation about him going to Arizona, where he'd have an easier division than the AFC east.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
He's a 35 year old on a bad team who's had 3 neck surgeries. He's clearly well behind in his recovery. If Indy don't bring him back he'll retire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
He's a 35 year old on a bad team who's had 3 neck surgeries. He's clearly well behind in his recovery. If Indy don't bring him back he'll retire.

You would imagine he could name his price to any of the networks as an analyst too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 09:24:18 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 26, 2012, 09:22:16 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
He's a 35 year old on a bad team who's had 3 neck surgeries. He's clearly well behind in his recovery. If Indy don't bring him back he'll retire.

You would imagine he could name his price to any of the networks as an analyst too.

Ah I dunno. I don't think you could listen to him for long. He'd send you to sleep.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 26, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
How did Indy go to muck over the space of 2 seasons?? Did they loose a rake of players besides Manning?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 26, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
How did Indy go to muck over the space of 2 seasons?? Did they loose a rake of players besides Manning?

5 bad drafts in a row. A very top heavy roster (a number of huge stars commanding massive money, and a pile of journeymen). Massive dependence on 18.

Btw. What I should've said up the way there is that I think he's gone whether Indy bring him back or not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 26, 2012, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 26, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
How did Indy go to muck over the space of 2 seasons?? Did they loose a rake of players besides Manning?

5 bad drafts in a row. A very top heavy roster (a number of huge stars commanding massive money, and a pile of journeymen). Massive dependence on 18.

Btw. What I should've said up the way there is that I think he's gone whether Indy bring him back or not.
I see. Dungee leaving as well couldn't have helped either i suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 26, 2012, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: ballinaman on January 26, 2012, 09:27:49 AM
How did Indy go to muck over the space of 2 seasons?? Did they loose a rake of players besides Manning?

5 bad drafts in a row. A very top heavy roster (a number of huge stars commanding massive money, and a pile of journeymen). Massive dependence on 18.

Btw. What I should've said up the way there is that I think he's gone whether Indy bring him back or not.
I see. Dungee leaving as well couldn't have helped either i suppose.

Definitely hasn't helped.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 26, 2012, 10:32:32 AM
They put their whole offense in Peyton Mannings hands. He was never injured and when he did go down with an injury, they had no backup Quarterback.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 26, 2012, 03:30:49 PM
Dennis Allen more or less done deal as new HC for the Raiders.

Not the marquee signing everyone was hoping for (Gruden) but certainly did a decent job with the Denver defence last year.

First defensive HC since Madden, McK definitely doing things differently in Oakland.....................
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 26, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
One of only 6 QB's left in the league to have started and won a superbowl though so I would be surprised if he didnt at least try to play next year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 26, 2012, 08:12:24 PM
OK, I'll bite.

Brady, Roethlisberger, Rogers, Brees, Eli Manning? Is that all there is?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 26, 2012, 09:37:13 PM
Apparently so. Only two active QB's with multiple rings. Bizzare stat just shows how important the QB is
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 26, 2012, 11:04:08 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 26, 2012, 07:41:48 PM
One of only 6 QB's left in the league to have started and won a superbowl though so I would be surprised if he didnt at least try to play next year

Cant see it. Look at the hits his brother took in San Francisco last week. Then imagine that happening to a man who's had 3 neck surgeries.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2012, 05:31:55 PM
If I was Manning I can think of 28,000,000 reasons to stick around until March anyway !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 27, 2012, 07:06:43 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2012, 05:31:55 PM
If I was Manning I can think of 28,000,000 reasons to stick around until March anyway !

The way things are looking they'll never pay him that money.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 31, 2012, 01:30:12 PM
Superbowl Sunday coming up. Will be watching it in the local sports bar/place till 4am. Or I might stay in on the couch but we'll see. Work the next day will be a tough one.

Should be a good enough game but I can see it panning out as the last time around. Brady to get flushed out by the Giants D-Line but I suppose the thing to be wary of is Gronkowski and if he can get open quickly and often enough to negate that.

Manning is good enough to score on the Pats and their running game has suddenly found its pulse and could be an even bigger factor. If the Pats O-Line can hold up for most of the game they have a decent chance but I think they will struggle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 31, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
Looking forward to this. Normally it's a struggle but I'm in Manchester this weekend so will be off work on Monday and can lie in in peace. Sports Bar might be a good idea actually I must have a check around and see if one is open in Mancland!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 02, 2012, 10:57:32 PM
Peyton Manning cleared to play.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7534274/sources-peyton-manning-medically-cleared-resume-nfl-career (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7534274/sources-peyton-manning-medically-cleared-resume-nfl-career)

Happily, it looks like I was wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2012, 11:24:26 PM
Is Gronkowski fit now? There's been serious doubts about him all week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on February 03, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2012, 11:24:26 PM
Is Gronkowski fit now? There's been serious doubts about him all week.

Schefter said today that he'd definitely play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 03, 2012, 08:58:38 PM
Latest reports say that he's extremely  doubtful - Can they both lose???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 04, 2012, 09:39:26 AM
Ravens fan after loss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14suGh40-w&feature=related

.......and a Packers fan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvXxwvg8mc&feature=related

:D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 04, 2012, 09:40:32 AM
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/p5dC4HWOiXcFJhHtxszqHQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/Billy-Cundiff-web-store.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 04, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
Amazingly Terrell Owens, who earned $80million during his career, it turns out, is broke.

How he managed that I don't know. He blames agent Drew Rosenhause for not protecting him etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2012, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: thejuice on February 04, 2012, 10:47:48 AM
Amazingly Terrell Owens, who earned $80million during his career, it turns out, is broke.

How he managed that I don't know. He blames agent Drew Rosenhause for not protecting him etc.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/01/24/terrell-owens-is-broke-after-playing-15-years-and-making-80-million/

$45k per month in alimony is gonna hurt if you aren't earning !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
Tiquan Underwood cut the night before SB by Patriots. Rough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2012, 06:35:40 PM
Any predictions ?

Pats by 4. Hoping for a Giants win though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2012, 06:38:55 PM
Was favouring the Giants very strongly after the 49ers game but as the Superbowl has got closer I'm wavering a little. Just have a feeling the Pats might pull it off somehow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2012, 06:52:21 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 05, 2012, 06:38:55 PM
Was favouring the Giants very strongly after the 49ers game but as the Superbowl has got closer I'm wavering a little. Just have a feeling the Pats might pull it off somehow.

The Giants have been built up so much that lots of people are wavering, afraid of the backlash. I think the Giants will do it if the attitudes are right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on February 05, 2012, 07:08:56 PM
Patriots 28-21 Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on February 05, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
Looking forward to the Super Bowl tonight.  What time does it actually kick off at though?

Haven't watched the rugby yet and have it recorded on Sky, I'll definitely hear the result tomorrow so want to watch it tonight.

Might watch it, record the Super Bowl then fast forward through all the breaks once the rugby is finished.  Mind you I think that's the best way to watch American Football in general!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2012, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on February 05, 2012, 09:37:32 PM
Looking forward to the Super Bowl tonight.  What time does it actually kick off at though?

Haven't watched the rugby yet and have it recorded on Sky, I'll definitely hear the result tomorrow so want to watch it tonight.

Might watch it, record the Super Bowl then fast forward through all the breaks once the rugby is finished.  Mind you I think that's the best way to watch American Football in general!

Should start just after 11pm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2012, 09:42:33 PM
11:30 pm Irish time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on February 05, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
The difference will be Tom Brady! Patriots 33 Giants 31
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on February 05, 2012, 09:54:41 PM
Cheers lads, if I could batter these ones out of the sitting room shortly that could work out nicely
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2012, 09:56:19 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on February 05, 2012, 09:54:41 PM
Cheers lads, if I could batter these ones out of the sitting room shortly that could work out nicely

Thought you posted something entirely different first time I read it  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 05, 2012, 09:58:19 PM
Giants 27 Patriots 24
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 05, 2012, 11:02:42 PM
J70, I think 27 will be too few to beat the Patriots.  Giants will need to hit at least 34, I'd say.  Then again, Super Bowl anxiety may keep the score down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2012, 11:11:55 PM
Better start soon or I will be loaded!
Giants 32 Patriots 21
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 05, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
She's nice, America the beautiful indeed & at least Kelly Clarkson didn't fcuk up the National anthem like Christina Aguilera did last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on February 05, 2012, 11:22:11 PM
Quote from: ross4life on February 05, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
She's nice, America the beautiful indeed & at least Kelly Clarkson didn't fcuk up the National anthem like Christina Aguilera did last year.

Why? What happened last year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 05, 2012, 11:24:25 PM
Quote from: Celt_Man on February 05, 2012, 11:22:11 PM
Quote from: ross4life on February 05, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
She's nice, America the beautiful indeed & at least Kelly Clarkson didn't fcuk up the National anthem like Christina Aguilera did last year.

Why? What happened last year?
Sang the same line twice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 05, 2012, 11:33:43 PM
confident start by the Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 05, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
2-0 giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
Giants having a little bit of luck already.  Big penalty against Pats cost them!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 05, 2012, 11:52:28 PM
Is this going to be an arse kicking?

9-0 Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2012, 11:54:09 PM
Hopefully, will be interesting to see how Brady responds with his next drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 05, 2012, 11:58:13 PM
Pats seem to be a bit rattled, the blown coverages, the safeties and the 12 men on the field. all suggests a lack of composure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 05, 2012, 11:59:38 PM
Brady finding his range.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2012, 12:07:16 AM
No TD for the Pats but at least they got off the mark. Need to get a stop now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 06, 2012, 12:51:25 AM
Thought the Pats were in trouble early doors but Brady seems to be finding his Range. Serious drive at the end there. How long will this Half Time pish last??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2012, 12:52:08 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 06, 2012, 12:51:25 AM
Thought the Pats were in trouble early doors but Brady seems to be finding his Range. Serious drive at the end there. How long will this Half Time pish last??

30 minutes of Madonna.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2012, 12:59:06 AM
Patriots looked good during that drive.  Going to be a mistake or turnover that will win this
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 06, 2012, 01:12:25 AM
How bad is Madonna. Worst half time show in a long time.

Shoulda hung it up years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on February 06, 2012, 01:13:22 AM
In my opinion, best Super Bowl half time ever!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2012, 01:17:36 AM
Her miming was worse than Jedward's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on February 06, 2012, 01:19:19 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2012, 01:17:36 AM
Her miming was worse than Jedward's.

Who gives a toss. She still looks great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 06, 2012, 01:22:09 AM
Clearly nobody remembers last years disaster?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 01:24:56 AM
Still flexible for what, a 55 year old? 

who cares anyway, Football back on.

Giants have to make the possession count on the scoreboard now. Momentum is with the Pats after that score before the half and now they have the ball to start with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 01:33:39 AM
14 unanswered points for the Pats. Big drive for the Giants.

They need to cover Woodhead and Hernandez, while hitting Gronk on the line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2012, 01:52:17 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 06, 2012, 01:12:25 AM
How bad is Madonna. Worst half time show in a long time.

Shoulda hung it up years ago.

Much much better than last years.

Giants just struggle to make the yards consistently
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2012, 01:57:43 AM
How do you get Bob Kostis' job?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 02:03:49 AM
Eli the best QB in the 4th QTR statistically in the NFL.

This should be over by 3 O'clock so I can hit the hay earlier than expected. Trophy presentations are shite in NFL.


MADNESS FROM BRADY!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2012, 02:18:19 AM
Don't know what Brady was thinking.
Manning wasting time outs, both teams have got very scrappy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 02:34:42 AM
great catch, great pass!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 02:44:49 AM
OOOOOOoooooohh

that was interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2012, 02:45:44 AM
Big big stop needed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 02:48:05 AM
I can only imagine Bradshaws thinking, do I take this or not?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2012, 02:49:26 AM
Giants D standing up! Nearly there!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2012, 02:50:21 AM
What a play!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 02:51:37 AM
this is tough going, and i'm dying for a piss too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 06, 2012, 02:54:28 AM
a healthy Gronk might have caught that, and caught the INT too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 06, 2012, 02:54:42 AM
Go Giants! Fair play to Eli Manning, second ring!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 06, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
Wow.  Just wow. Gabriel should have taken my bet!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2012, 06:19:59 AM
Should have - but f**k it :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on February 06, 2012, 10:51:52 AM
Hadn't watched it for a few years.  Good one to come back for.

Was it my imagination or were there fewer turnovers than usual?  Or was it just an aberration?

Liked BBC's coverage.  No ads and good analysis (remember don't watch much AF).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BennyCake on February 06, 2012, 12:11:28 PM
Thank feck this shite is over for another year. It's all I've heard about all week in the Irish media. Not a word about the league starting, but hyping up this pile of dung!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
Poor Benny  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2012, 12:58:56 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on February 06, 2012, 10:51:52 AM
Was it my imagination or were there fewer turnovers than usual?  Or was it just an aberration?

Yeah there was only one turnover which is pretty low for any game. The Giants actually fumbled 3 times but were lucky to get away with it all 3 times. They recovered 2 of them and the other was ruled out for 12 men on the field.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on February 06, 2012, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on February 06, 2012, 12:11:28 PM
Thank feck this shite is over for another year. It's all I've heard about all week in the Irish media. Not a word about the league starting, but hyping up this pile of dung!

Scrappy game of gaelic football or top class game of American football...hmm tough choice
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on February 06, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
Class game, nerve wrecking at times. Great start and great finish from the Giants with lots of players stepping up when it counted.
Hopefully they bolster the roster with a few decent pickups in the draft and build on this!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Celt_Man on February 06, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
Glad I stayed up late on New Years night and picked up the Giants v Cowboys and been following the Giants march to the Super Bowl....

Very entertaining final, helped by fast forwarding it through all the bullshite...

Fair play to the Giants, seemed to own the ball in the first half and went were down at the break, no matter what the game you do well to pick yourself up from that...

Meanwhile, my plan of watching the rugby (don't get me started about that!!!) then the Super Bowl was going great until 2 or so when I went to bed but just 60 seconds before getting out of the car to work this morning I wasn't paying attention and they gave the fecking score on the radio sports bulletin....  Didn't want to hear the fecking result and only for that I would have avoided hearing it and would have watched it in peace earlier today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 06, 2012, 07:06:45 PM
I recorded the show because I knew that the pints on Saturday night would take effect. Great viewing today, thought the Pats left it behind them, much like the 49ers, but you have to give Eli great credit in coming back and getting the winning drive.

Quote from: BennyCake on February 06, 2012, 12:11:28 PM
Thank feck this shite is over for another year. It's all I've heard about all week in the Irish media. Not a word about the league starting, but hyping up this pile of dung!

Such an over exaggeration, why would anyone come click into 'The American Sports Thread'  at half 12 at night just to have a pop at the most watched sporting event on the planet because some Irish jurnos showed a bit of interest. We don't all eat and drink GAA 24/7 plus I thought the Irish News had quite comprehensive pre-national league info all week.

P.S thought the half time show was good viewing as a spectacle, the ole doll surrounded herself with trendy talented artists and put on a good show, mining or not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2012, 12:06:39 AM
Move over Tim Tebow, Jeremy Lin is Americas new sports sensation, and it's all happened within two weeks !
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/34839847 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/34839847)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2012, 03:28:07 AM
He does it again tonight with a game winning three pointer with .9 seconds left. 27 pts 11 assists.
Linsanity grows!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 15, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2012, 03:28:07 AM
He does it again tonight with a game winning three pointer with .9 seconds left. 27 pts 11 assists.
Linsanity grows!
Tickets for the next Knicks game with a face value of $35 are going for $135 on stubhub.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 15, 2012, 04:42:57 PM
Every Asian person under the age of 25 looked like they were in the arena in Toronto last night, holding up signs! Incredible story, and unlike Tebow, this lad has come out of nowhere in the last twoweeks and actually looks a very decent player. Its amazing that the Knicks hadn't given him a chance, even in practise, considering that they didn't have a fit point guard in the roster. I watch the Knicks a lot and the contrast between now and the team that lost almost every game in January is just mind boggling. The lad suits the D'antoni offense perfectly, just like Steve Nash did in Phoenix. The key is what happens when Anthony returns, as he hasn't played the fast break type of game. What do you if he can't operate in it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 15, 2012, 10:58:35 PM
Tried getting tickets for tonight with no luck, Friday night the same.  They are in big demand.  Did get myself two for Sunday against Dallas. Hoping the Linsanity continues to then.  Atmosphere tonight will be brilliant. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 16, 2012, 01:37:44 PM
Not a big fan of pro basketball at all, it's all about trash talking, no defense and dunking until the last 3 or 4 minutes. A big exhibition for the players to show how cool they are. However I love players like Steve Nash and this Lin fella. Nice passing from a point guard really makes the game worth watching. I hope he can keep it going...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 16, 2012, 02:16:28 PM
Why does it have to be about race - the kid is American born, Harvard educated yet every article I read about Lin refers to his Asian heritage..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 16, 2012, 02:20:30 PM
Maybe more because there's very few asian players in the NBA (or NHL/NFL either) really. Same way Jackie Robinson made a spash for black athletes in the MLB. You're right though, no-one seems to be more preoccupied with race in sports than the USA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 16, 2012, 02:54:27 PM
Its totally because there are no Asian-American sports stars. Its not surprising that that community would exalt in his success so far. And then throw in the fact that he didn't go to a sports college, was undrafted (partly because of his race), wasn't even featuring in practise and was on the cusp of going back to the D league a couple of weeks ago before taking the Knicks and the league by complete surprise with his top class displays and its not surprising that there is such huge hype. And so far, its completely justified. The Knicks were a shambles, losing 13 out of 14 before he came in that game against the Nets and transformed the team, which had been playing without a point guard (he'd gotten a few minutes here and there late in games, but typically did little except turn the ball over until that Nets game).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 16, 2012, 04:07:48 PM
Floyd Mayweather would like people to believe its about race,  it's only part of the whole story.  As above it's the fact an undrafted player from Harvard who had been cut from two squads kept believing in himself and working hard to reach the top.
  Last night was pretty easy for him,  just set his personal best at assists.  I am actually looking forward to Melo returning.  One if not the best scorer in the league, Melo surely can spread the floor and  pick his spot for a shot.  If it is a success, then the Knicks surely will be considered a contender.
One thing Lin can do is improve everyone else, the play of Fields, Novak, Walker and even Mike Bibby have improved.  Defensively they have been well improved all year with Tyson Chandler becoming very Influential and the rookie Shumpert is as good a defender as is about.
 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 16, 2012, 04:15:59 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 16, 2012, 04:07:48 PM
Floyd Mayweather would like people to believe its about race,  it's only part of the whole story.  As above it's the fact an undrafted player from Harvard who had been cut from two squads kept believing in himself and working hard to reach the top.
  Last night was pretty easy for him,  just set his personal best at assists.  I am actually looking forward to Melo returning.  One if not the best scorer in the league, Melo surely can spread the floor and  pick his spot for a shot.  If it is a success, then the Knicks surely will be considered a contender.
One thing Lin can do is improve everyone else, the play of Fields, Novak, Walker and even Mike Bibby have improved.  Defensively they have been well improved all year with Tyson Chandler becoming very Influential and the rookie Shumpert is as good a defender as is about.


I dunno lads. I think the race angle is definitely important to the media. As an example, I'm listening to ESPN radio at the moment, and his background, Asian stereotypes, how he looks etc have all been mentioned multiple times. They haven't mention Harvard once, and mentioned his rise to prominence only briefly. The story is definitely about how he is smashing the barrier for Asians. Of course that could be one show, but I've heard similar soundbites.

This is causing a bit of a stir as well, an image posted by MSG (Madison Square Garden) TV Network, the Knick's broadcast partner.

(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/2/24/1201272/78441-650-366.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 16, 2012, 05:14:47 PM
It's certainly part of the reason but not it all.  Another big reason for his success is his strong religious believes and clean cut character.  He definitely comes across as a real good kid.  America love this type of role model for there kids to aspire to.   All his teammates seem to love him as well,  when you see veterans like Chandler and Stoudemire dancing around like two school girls after his three pointer the other night says a lot.

Nba trying to make a few exra bucks on his popularity.  He has been included in the All Star weekend as help for Shumpert in the Dunk contest.  Rumors were going round that they were pushing to include him somewhere over the weekend and seems like they succeeded.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
I don't know, it sounds like a load of guff to me like Tebowmania. A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him making a few highlight plays at the end of the game. They will also fall back into obscurity soon enough. Off field issues like being a christian or Asian Harvard graduate seem to bring more weight to their stories.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 16, 2012, 10:50:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him

If anything he's been carrying the Knicks recently. Not them carrying him. They were a rabble a few weeks back. Stuck Lin in the team and they've won 7 in a row and that's without Carmelo Anthony and Stoudamire for a lot of those games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 16, 2012, 10:57:06 PM
Lin fully deserved his Eastern Conference Player of the week award and has been lighting up the scene for the last ten days. However, anyone who says that the same hype would exist if he wasn't Asian-American is kidding themselves. The Knicks even held a viewing party in Chinatown for the Kings game last night. While it shouldn't overshadow his play it's definitely something worth acknowledging.

We shouldn't get high and mighty about it - if and when second generations of races who have immigrated to Ireland the last 15 years or so start to make waves in the GAA it'll be the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 17, 2012, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 16, 2012, 10:57:06 PM
Lin fully deserved his Eastern Conference Player of the week award and has been lighting up the scene for the last ten days. However, anyone who says that the same hype would exist if he wasn't Asian-American is kidding themselves. The Knicks even held a viewing party in Chinatown for the Kings game last night. While it shouldn't overshadow his play it's definitely something worth acknowledging.

We shouldn't get high and mighty about it - if and when second generations of races who have immigrated to Ireland the last 15 years or so start to make waves in the GAA it'll be the same.

His race is unquestionably a major factor. However, there would still be huge hype regardless given the records he's been setting for a rookie and the fact that it is the Knicks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 17, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
I don't know, it sounds like a load of guff to me like Tebowmania. A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him making a few highlight plays at the end of the game. They will also fall back into obscurity soon enough. Off field issues like being a christian or Asian Harvard graduate seem to bring more weight to their stories.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. Have you been watching the Knicks over the past ten days?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 17, 2012, 03:20:20 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
I don't know, it sounds like a load of guff to me like Tebowmania. A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him making a few highlight plays at the end of the game. They will also fall back into obscurity soon enough. Off field issues like being a christian or Asian Harvard graduate seem to bring more weight to their stories.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. Have you been watching the Knicks over the past ten days?

+1

Such an uneducated remark, the numbers being drummed up by Lin cannot even be compared to the ''Tebow time'' 4th Quarter do or die stuff, plus Tebow won a National Championship and was an All-American before he even entered the NFL.  Lin has literally come from nowhere, its a great story and it will be Hollywood film before the decade is out. The bloody interesting thing is this guy keeps producing, the Garden is going to be unreal this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 17, 2012, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
I don't know, it sounds like a load of guff to me like Tebowmania. A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him making a few highlight plays at the end of the game. They will also fall back into obscurity soon enough. Off field issues like being a christian or Asian Harvard graduate seem to bring more weight to their stories.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. Have you been watching the Knicks over the past ten days?

Agree. Pure daft. On the surface this is the antoi-Tebow, apart from being a good kid. Came from nowhere, fundamentally very sound, and executing with precision. Tebow was a college legend, but fundamentally very flawed, and made as many bad plays as good plays, in fact probably more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 17, 2012, 10:14:13 AM
I love this story and I loved the Tebow (different I know) story - I am just a big sports romantic....

The point I am making is that this could have been an opportunity to focus on something other than race, there are so many brilliant angles to this story but everything is focused on his race even the NBA/Knicks are trying to exploit this - I just think that we will never move forward if the media continuously focus on race and negative stereotypes - just look at the fortune cookie above. The Harvard angle/class issue and is rise from nowhere is what that fascinates me the most yet the WWW is just inundated with articles around his race.....

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Keane on February 17, 2012, 11:16:57 AM
Navan to host high school American Football game:

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/friday-night-lights-navans-pairc-tailteann-to-host-high-school-american-football-game-358023-Feb2012/ (http://thescore.thejournal.ie/friday-night-lights-navans-pairc-tailteann-to-host-high-school-american-football-game-358023-Feb2012/)

Also, lol at the Lin=Tebow remarks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 17, 2012, 11:36:40 AM
At some point though the barrier will be broken for all races and the racial angle won't be a story.  And the Asian community is genuinely seizing upon Lin as they haven't had such a high profile sports represntative anywhere before. His race is absolutely part of the story and can't be ignored. Next time a chinese or korean american kid makes the breakthrough, it won't be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 17, 2012, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2012, 11:36:40 AM
At some point though the barrier will be broken for all races and the racial angle won't be a story.  And the Asian community is genuinely seizing upon Lin as they haven't had such a high profile sports represntative anywhere before. His race is absolutely part of the story and can't be ignored. Next time a chinese or korean american kid makes the breakthrough, it won't be.

Surely all the asian players in MLB would have been high profile sports representative for them. Or is it because Lin is actually an American kid with Asian heritage? Ichiro, Nomo and any amount of other Asian baseball players have been around for a while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 17, 2012, 01:37:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 17, 2012, 01:03:40 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2012, 11:36:40 AM
At some point though the barrier will be broken for all races and the racial angle won't be a story.  And the Asian community is genuinely seizing upon Lin as they haven't had such a high profile sports represntative anywhere before. His race is absolutely part of the story and can't be ignored. Next time a chinese or korean american kid makes the breakthrough, it won't be.

Surely all the asian players in MLB would have been high profile sports representative for them. Or is it because Lin is actually an American kid with Asian heritage? Ichiro, Nomo and any amount of other Asian baseball players have been around for a while.

The Yankees had Matsui, so an Asian star in NY sports isn't new. Maybe it is the child of immigrants thing, along with the rest of the story of his improbable rise. Could be the sport itself too. Whatever it is, Asian-American young people seem to be seizing upon it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 17, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 17, 2012, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
I don't know, it sounds like a load of guff to me like Tebowmania. A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him making a few highlight plays at the end of the game. They will also fall back into obscurity soon enough. Off field issues like being a christian or Asian Harvard graduate seem to bring more weight to their stories.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. Have you been watching the Knicks over the past ten days?

Agree. Pure daft. On the surface this is the antoi-Tebow, apart from being a good kid. Came from nowhere, fundamentally very sound, and executing with precision. Tebow was a college legend, but fundamentally very flawed, and made as many bad plays as good plays, in fact probably more.
Have I hit a raw nerve with some of you? It is the same thing though. Another media built hype machine. It is sports and I say let them get on with it without all the hype. It could backfire on them when or if they have a bad run of luck or whatever. The media loves to build people up and knock them down.

I don't really know about Lin or the NBA before I see all this Linsanity guff and guff is what it is. The hype machine running ahead of the real story is a turn off for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 17, 2012, 04:45:12 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 17, 2012, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 17, 2012, 09:42:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 17, 2012, 02:06:13 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 16, 2012, 09:28:57 PM
I don't know, it sounds like a load of guff to me like Tebowmania. A guy who can't really play that well being carried by the team around him making a few highlight plays at the end of the game. They will also fall back into obscurity soon enough. Off field issues like being a christian or Asian Harvard graduate seem to bring more weight to their stories.

Sorry, but that's nonsense. Have you been watching the Knicks over the past ten days?

Agree. Pure daft. On the surface this is the antoi-Tebow, apart from being a good kid. Came from nowhere, fundamentally very sound, and executing with precision. Tebow was a college legend, but fundamentally very flawed, and made as many bad plays as good plays, in fact probably more.
Have I hit a raw nerve with some of you? It is the same thing though. Another media built hype machine. It is sports and I say let them get on with it without all the hype. It could backfire on them when or if they have a bad run of luck or whatever. The media loves to build people up and knock them down.

I don't really know about Lin or the NBA before I see all this Linsanity guff and guff is what it is. The hype machine running ahead of the real story is a turn off for me.

No, not touched a nerve, just obviously not knowing what you're talking about. You said he's a guy who can't play and is being carried by the team. That is utter nonsense as anyone who has been watching him will know and the record-breaking statistics for his first games will show He is the reason the Knicks suddenly have a serious team. His play has transformed them completely. Whether that will continue remains to be seen as the Knicks best player, Carmello Anthony, is about to return and no one knows how well he will adapt to the fast-break, D'Antoni offense that has suddenly appeared and worked since Lin came into the team.

As for the hype, fair enough, but sports is always headline news, even more so when an ethnic or racial barrier is being broken on top of all the other issues in this story.

And no one is saying Lin is flawless. He definitely has to work on the turnovers, but that will come too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 18, 2012, 03:59:41 AM
Well the Knicks finally lose to the 2nd worse team in the league. Their next few games are pretty tough

Sun 19    vs Dallas
Mon 20    vs New Jersey
Wed 22    vs Atlanta
Thu 23    @ Miami
Wed 29    vs Cleveland
Sun 04    @ Boston
Tue 06    @ Dallas
Wed 07    @ San Antonio
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on February 18, 2012, 07:38:26 AM
Jeremy Lin Applies For Trademark On Linsanity


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/jeremy-lin-linsanity-trademark_n_1285608.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on February 18, 2012, 08:57:13 AM
Looking for some NFL off season gossip. Kid is a big Cardinals fan. He's only followed it for one full year really but got mad into it. Larry Fitzgerald is his fav sports star bar none, and he thinks their defence is top notch but he thinks both the QBs they used this year are rubbish.

Is there any liklihood to be any truth in the rumours of Peyton Manning going to Arizona next season? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 18, 2012, 09:01:36 AM
Quote from: Hound on February 18, 2012, 08:57:13 AM
Looking for some NFL off season gossip. Kid is a big Cardinals fan. He's only followed it for one full year really but got mad into it. Larry Fitzgerald is his fav sports star bar none, and he thinks their defence is top notch but he thinks both the QBs they used this year are rubbish.

Is there any liklihood to be any truth in the rumours of Peyton Manning going to Arizona next season?

Doubt it Hound, Cardinals have to pay Kolb a $7m bonus in next few weeks and apparently they are going to pay it so they won't be paying two QBs starters money.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 18, 2012, 01:12:23 PM
Quote from: dec on February 18, 2012, 03:59:41 AM
Well the Knicks finally lose to the 2nd worse team in the league. Their next few games are pretty tough

Sun 19    vs Dallas
Mon 20    vs New Jersey
Wed 22    vs Atlanta
Thu 23    @ Miami
Wed 29    vs Cleveland
Sun 04    @ Boston
Tue 06    @ Dallas
Wed 07    @ San Antonio

Very poor first quarter performance put them in trouble. NO were quite effective in closing off the paint to Lin's penetrating runs and forcing them to shoot outside and the Knicks shooting just wasn't good last night. Could have used Carmello Anthony badly as he's a superb shooter and he would have drawn the double-team, opening up things for the rest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 18, 2012, 02:36:43 PM
This wasn't how I got over the 2001 final

Quotehttp://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/patriots-fans-porn-super-bowl-loss/

You're a Patriots fan. It's February 5th, 2012, at 11 p.m., and you've just watched your team lose to the New York Giants for the second time in five years. You've just seen Tom Brady's last-second hail mary attempt land harmlessly in the endzone, and that team from New York celebrate on a field covered in confetti — again. The guests at your Super Bowl party have all filtered out of your home, but you're still sitting there in a haze of post-game disappointment. What do you do?

You look at porn. Lots and lots of porn.

According to a press release from Pornhub, there was a marked spike in web traffic from Massachusetts to porn sites following the Patriots' Super Bowl 46 loss to the Giants. Via SI.com's Jimmy Traina:

According to the statisticians from PornHub, right after the heartbreaking New England loss, Massachusetts natives flocked to the site, with a 22% spike at 11PM (EST) and a 33% spike at 12AM (EST), while New York went only up 16% and 32%, respectively.
That 32% spike for New York in the 12AM hour is telling. It means they waited a little longer than New Englanders to go for the porn, but they eventually ended up there, too. Which kind of brings new gravity to the whole "Are those sad tissues or happy tissues?" question.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maigheo on February 19, 2012, 09:46:25 PM
Linsanity continues in NY today with the Knicks defeating the Mavericks .Jeremy LIn had 28 pts and 14 assists in another stellar display.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 20, 2012, 12:01:36 AM
"Chink in the Armor" Not the smartest headline to run.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-02-19/jeremy-lin-max-bretos-espn-fires-disciplines-employees-for-offensive-chink-in-th
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 28, 2012, 12:21:13 AM
Eventually they get the Daytona 500 going and after 1 lap smash!  Could be a long night!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 28, 2012, 11:00:55 AM
Did you see Montoya smash, holy shit, lucky to be alive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 28, 2012, 11:31:45 AM
Montoya a very lucky man as was the driver of the safety truck. 
Was a decent race, carried on a little long due to the Montoya smash but got a few pound out of it as had no. 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr who finished second.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Do any of ye follow the local American Football scene, been told to get the mortgage on Dublin -4.5 v Tullamore, any info welcome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 28, 2012, 05:11:25 PM
That would be the Dublin Dragons Vs the newly promoted Tullamore Phoenix.

Bear in mind that the Dragons lost every game last year and scored about 5 TDs in the whole season. The Dragons even when I played for them back in 2004 were not very good and got beat by teams playing in their first competitive season.

So I wouldn't call it a safe bet by any means.

That said I have been out of the IAFL loop for a number of years though I still keep an eye on it from afar.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 28, 2012, 06:29:48 PM
Quote from: thejuice on February 28, 2012, 05:11:25 PM
That would be the Dublin Dragons Vs the newly promoted Tullamore Phoenix.

Bear in mind that the Dragons lost every game last year and scored about 5 TDs in the whole season. The Dragons even when I played for them back in 2004 were not very good and got beat by teams playing in their first competitive season.

So I wouldn't call it a safe bet by any means.

That said I have been out of the IAFL loop for a number of years though I still keep an eye on it from afar.
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 28, 2012, 04:41:36 PM
Do any of ye follow the local American Football scene, been told to get the mortgage on Dublin -4.5 v Tullamore, any info welcome.
,

Sorry its the other way round. betting suspended anyway, the team that was promoted is the fancied team, do they play 8 a side in the lower Div.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on February 28, 2012, 09:53:20 PM
Yeah, in the top tier its 11-a-side with 2 divisions North and South.

The lower tier is called DV8. Its an 8-a-side league for teams that have just formed and don't have a full squad developed or in some cases if an 11-a-side team loses a lot of players they can drop down to DV8 to rebuild and still have competitive games.

Sorry, I'm not sure off all the + and - of betting as I really don't do it other than the Grand National.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 04, 2012, 01:48:50 AM
think Duke have left too much to do this time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 04, 2012, 11:10:47 AM
Today's IAFL fixtures

Mar 4   Carrickfergus Knights @ University College Dublin,     Belfield, Dublin,   1pm
Mar 4   Cork Admirals @ Dublin Rebels,                                   Sportslink, Dublin, 1pm
Mar 4   Dublin Dragons @ Tullamore Phoenix,                         Tullamore RFC, 1pm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Keane on March 04, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
Anywhere to get updates from those IAFL games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 04, 2012, 08:03:45 PM
Any links for Heat-Lakers game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 04, 2012, 09:11:20 PM
http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/basketball.html (http://www.vipbox.tv/sports/basketball.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 04, 2012, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: Keane on March 04, 2012, 01:20:21 PM
Anywhere to get updates from those IAFL games?

I don't think there were live updates but the results from today:

Carrickfergus Knights 13
University College Dublin 8


Cork Admirals 6
Dublin Rebels 20


Dublin Dragons 0
Tullamore Phoenix 19
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 07, 2012, 12:49:09 AM
Colts cutting Manning, not much of a surprise really.

Who do we think will take him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 07, 2012, 03:19:01 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 07, 2012, 12:49:09 AM
Colts cutting Manning, not much of a surprise really.

Who do we think will take him

Probably can narrow it down to...

Redskins
Dolphins
Titans
Browns (outside shot)
Jets (outside shot)

You have to think either the Redskins or Browns will trade up in the draft for RG3 which will rule one of them out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 07, 2012, 04:40:46 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 07, 2012, 03:19:01 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 07, 2012, 12:49:09 AM
Colts cutting Manning, not much of a surprise really.

Who do we think will take him

Probably can narrow it down to...

Redskins
Dolphins
Titans
Browns (outside shot)
Jets (outside shot)

You have to think either the Redskins or Browns will trade up in the draft for RG3 which will rule one of them out.

I think the Vikings would be the perfect match for him, dome team with a great RB, Peterson who can catch (like he had in Marshal Faulk, Joseph Addai), two very good TE's -Shiancoe/Kleinsaser and a very good Def would put the Vikes in contention.
WR's are questionable although Harvin didn't have a great QB to work with and Randy Moss going back to the NFL could finish off were he started with the Vikes. As a Bears fan I would hate it and love it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 08:50:25 AM
The Cardinals are definitely in the hunt too lads. Kevin Kolb wouldn't be too happy, and I'd imagine Manning would need a significant upgrade on the O-Line, but nonetheless they are chasing, and Larry Fitz would be happy :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 07, 2012, 09:13:40 AM
The 49ers should pick him up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on March 07, 2012, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 08:50:25 AM
The Cardinals are definitely in the hunt too lads. Kevin Kolb wouldn't be too happy, and I'd imagine Manning would need a significant upgrade on the O-Line, but nonetheless they are chasing, and Larry Fitz would be happy :)
My wee pup would have a fit!

Key date for Cardinals is Paddy's Day it seems, as if Kolb is still with them then they have to give him a multi-million bonus, and there's no chance of having both.

As well as those mentioned above, Chiefs and Seahawks are others that are supposed to be in contention.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 07, 2012, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 07, 2012, 09:13:40 AM
The 49ers should pick him up.

Are you serious, I know this business is dog eat dog but surely Smith did enough to merit a starting berth next season, his game v the Saint was class and but for the rub of the green regarding Giant fumbles(i know it still hurts) they would have been in the SB.

The romantic in me would like to see him go to the Dolphins or maybe Cards and do something major there, a mistake would be the Redskins, they just dont seem to have the brains upstairs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 03:16:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 07, 2012, 02:25:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 08:50:25 AM
The Cardinals are definitely in the hunt too lads. Kevin Kolb wouldn't be too happy, and I'd imagine Manning would need a significant upgrade on the O-Line, but nonetheless they are chasing, and Larry Fitz would be happy :)
My wee pup would have a fit!

Key date for Cardinals is Paddy's Day it seems, as if Kolb is still with them then they have to give him a multi-million bonus, and there's no chance of having both.

As well as those mentioned above, Chiefs and Seahawks are others that are supposed to be in contention.

So would I :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 03:20:51 PM
Seems appropriate :D

http://youtu.be/FjPsnV4KfuI (http://youtu.be/FjPsnV4KfuI)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 07, 2012, 03:35:54 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 07, 2012, 09:13:40 AM
The 49ers should pick him up.

Think they have already said that they are sticking with Smith.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 05:16:52 PM
Jaysus, that Press Conference was very emotional. Reminded me of the Wayne Gretzky leaving Edmonton trade to LA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 05:22:04 PM
I wonder will he sign with the Tullamore Phoenix? I like the uniforms, Offaly GAA meets Gridiron.

(http://nfl-ireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/IMG_7573.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 07, 2012, 05:32:26 PM
Jaysis, no wonder ye couldn't beat Antrim with all that gear on ye.

Also having all at once your players committing to attack after belting it down the field from your own half back line is a poor tactic.

Didn't work at Under-10's level anyway from what I remember.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 07, 2012, 05:37:15 PM
It seems the 49ers are not interested after all. I wonder what they are up to. Smith is not signed yet. Are they leaning toward Kaeppernik or what?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 07, 2012, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: thejuice on March 07, 2012, 05:32:26 PM
Jaysis, no wonder ye couldn't beat Antrim with all that gear on ye.

Also having all at once your players committing to attack after belting it down the field from your own half back line is a poor tactic.

Didn't work at Under-10's level anyway from what I remember.

We thought we were playing Derrytresk.  But as for the tactics, you should see the big full forward waiting for the delivery. Them lads are just running in for the break.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
Peyton visiting Denver??  :o

Giants have released both Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2012, 11:27:43 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
Peyton visiting Denver??  :o

Giants have released both Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham

Colts have released Addai and Clark, two excellent pass catchers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 09, 2012, 11:35:57 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
Peyton visiting Denver??  :o

Giants have released both Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham
Broncos are apparently the first of many stops.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Great Leap Forward on March 10, 2012, 02:19:34 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2012, 11:27:43 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2012, 11:05:30 PM
Peyton visiting Denver??  :o

Giants have released both Brandon Jacobs and Mario Manningham

Colts have released Addai and Clark, two excellent pass catchers.

Clark will turn up wherever Manning will be. Freeney is on the trading block as well. A complete overhaul at the Colts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 10, 2012, 04:06:45 AM
Latest word is that the Redskins have cut a deal with the Rams to move up to #2 for RG3.  Will swap #1s this year and Redskins will give up two future #1s and some other picks.

So, what now for my Browns.  Don't think they'll pursue Flynn.  Maybe they'll get some targets for Colt McCoy or pick up an ace CB to reduce other teams' scoring.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 10, 2012, 04:32:19 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 10, 2012, 04:06:45 AM
Latest word is that the Redskins have cut a deal with the Rams to move up to #2 for RG3.  Will swap #1s this year and Redskins will give up two future #1s and some other picks.

So, what now for my Browns.  Don't think they'll pursue Flynn.  Maybe they'll get some targets for Colt McCoy or pick up an ace CB to reduce other teams' scoring.

Reckon the Browns will pick Justin Blackmon at WR with their first pick and maybe his college QB Brandon Weeden with their 2nd pick later in the first round. They could get RG3 if they really wanted him though. They have more picks to trade than the Redskins do.

Prob a great deal for both teams though. Redskins give up a pile of picks but get a probable franchise QB finally while the Rams get a pile of picks just for moving 4 places down the draft.

Rams get 3 1st round draft picks and a 2nd round pick for RG3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 10, 2012, 09:41:42 AM
This could be a great move for the Redskins. If RG3 works out and they pick up a good receiver in free agency they could have a very strong offense next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on March 12, 2012, 09:11:17 AM
The Broncos suddenly jumped to the top of the Peyton Manning queue over the weekend, when he paid a visit and met with Elway and the gang.

Subsequently he also met with the Cardinals.

Apparently he refused to meet with the Seahawks and the Chiefs.

He may meet with one more team today according to reports, with Dolphins, 49ers, Titans supposed to be the ones in the hunt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 13, 2012, 04:39:12 PM
Well it's March, which can mean only one thing. Well, two if you count Paddy's Day. OK, 3 if you are a Cheltenham man/woman.  Yep, it's March Madness, and the new bigger big dance starts tonight with the 'First Four' preliminary rounds as 4 teams will fight to make it through to the last 64.  Two games tonight, and two tomorrow, with the real first round (even though they call it the second round now) starting on Thursday.

Today sees Western Kentucky play Mississippi Valley State in a bid to be the #16 seed in The South Region, and then The Iona Gaels play Brigham Young to be the #14 seed in the West Region.  Tomorrow evening will have Vermont and Lamar facing off to be #16 in the Midwest Region and then South Florida will play Cal to be the #12 seed in the East.

The Pac 12 has had a disastrous season. Colorado made it in because they won the Pac-12 Tournament, but their regular season champion Washington didn't make it, and unless Cal beat Southern Florida, the Pac 12 will only have 1 team in the last 64 which is unheard of. This is the conference of UCLA, Stanford, Arizona and other big Basketball programmes.

Has anyone done a bracket?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 13, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
First of the free agency moves are coming through

Marques Colston resigned with the Saints
Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan gone to Redskins
Brandon Marshall gone to the Bears for two 3rd round picks
Mario Williams in talks with the Bills
Vincent Jackson in talks with the Buccaneers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 13, 2012, 09:30:16 PM
Redskins and Cowboys both lose cap space for this season -$36 million and $10 million respectively
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 14, 2012, 06:31:07 PM
Jeremy Lins worst nightmare.  Yahoo reporting that Mike D'antoni coach of the Knicks has resigned.  Was always going to happen as it was him or Carmelo, and always going to be one winner. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2012, 06:38:45 PM
Mario Williams signs with .................................. the Bills!!!  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 19, 2012, 04:06:02 PM
Looks like Manning is going to Denver

And Alex Smith to the Dolphins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on March 19, 2012, 06:24:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 19, 2012, 04:06:02 PM
Looks like Manning is going to Denver

And Alex Smith to the Dolphins

If the Dolphins end up with Tebow they will seriously need to fire their GM. This whole QB search has been a complete shambles from the start, only for Dan Marino stepping in Manning was not going to give the Dolphins a chance of interviewing him. There are some pissed off people down here right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 19, 2012, 06:27:32 PM
Awwww the Denver Bronco's

(http://c272308.r8.cf1.rackcdn.com/2012/02/tumblr_l79qirr66n1qdoghio1_500.png)


still, I'm surprised. So it's Tebow to the Sidelines Time.

John Elway was never going to settle for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 19, 2012, 07:53:48 PM
Please, let the Browns NOT trade for Tebow, unless as a running back replacement for Hillis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 19, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
Some of the biggest free agency moves so far

Peyton Manning to Broncos
Jason Campbell to Bears
Matt Flynn to Seahawks
Chad Henne to Jaguars
Kyle Orton to Cowboys

Peyton Hillis to Chiefs
Mike Tolbert to Panthers

Brandon Marshall to Bears
Pierre Garcon to Redskins
Anthony Gonzalez to Patriots
Vincent Jackson to Buccaneers
Brandon Lloyd to Patriots
Mario Manningham to 49ers
Robert Meachem to Chargers
Josh Morgan to Redskins
Laurent Robinson to Jaguars
Eddie Royal to Chargers

Martellus Bennett to Giants
Kevin Boss to Chiefs
John Carlson to Vikings

Mario Williams to Bills
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 20, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
Anyone getting tickets for Notre Dame V Navy in the Aviva in september?? Notre Dame bringing 30,000 fans over! I got two tickets this morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 20, 2012, 01:05:53 PM
Got two myself though I think the young fella will want them both
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 20, 2012, 01:40:47 PM
hope to go with my dad but haven't the money for them right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 20, 2012, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on March 20, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
Anyone getting tickets for Notre Dame V Navy in the Aviva in september?? Notre Dame bringing 30,000 fans over! I got two tickets this morning.

I have mine got.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 20, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
Where do you get them? 30,000 college students invading Dublin, hmmm? Interesting...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 20, 2012, 06:36:23 PM
Especially when ND's student body is probably no more than 12,000.  What is the source of this 30,000 figure?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 20, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
They won't be students lads. Notre Dame have a huge following around the states, members of the Alum society, boosters etc. They brought a big crowd with them in 1996, so I wouldn't be surprised if they bring a lot with them this time too. However, 30k seems a stretch alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 20, 2012, 07:59:38 PM
So instead of 22 year old blonde co-eds we're going to get a load of crusty old suits? Boo!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on March 20, 2012, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 20, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
They won't be students lads. Notre Dame have a huge following around the states, members of the Alum society, boosters etc. They brought a big crowd with them in 1996, so I wouldn't be surprised if they bring a lot with them this time too. However, 30k seems a stretch alright.
That's what the priest who's dean or something said during the st patricks day parade on RTE. Tickets sold out on ticketmaster already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 20, 2012, 10:06:56 PM
Hopefully not.


Hines Ward has retired. Great player, has 2 Superbowl rings. He was great in Superbowl XL especially when Big Ben was as awkward as a mule that day.

He didn't win any fans in Cincinnati or Baltimore with some of the hits he made on them and some will always consider him dirty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 21, 2012, 10:42:10 AM
LMAO at the Tebow situation. Sports fans are so fickle. We've got Peyton Manning - Tim who?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 21, 2012, 11:05:29 AM
Tebow to the Phins?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 21, 2012, 11:43:08 AM
Makes sense, especially if they draft Ryan Tannehill to groom him for a year. Tebow would obviously help their attendance figures in Florida.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on March 21, 2012, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2012, 10:42:10 AM
LMAO at the Tebow situation. Sports fans are so fickle. We've got Peyton Manning - Tim who?
Well obviously the fans had nothing to do with getting Manning. And there was far less fan pressure in Denver to get Manning than there was in Arizona and Miami.

But nobody's going to turn their nose up at Peyton Manning. I don't think the top guys in Denver ever really fancied Tebow, but this way they can get rid of him without causing a riot.
Still I'd imagine most Broncos fans would prefer to keep him as a Plan B rather than trade him for an extra 5th round pick or whatever it'll be.

Supposedly 5 teams have made enquiries for him so far, including Jets and Jags.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 04:56:07 PM
Tebow to the Jets is a done deal, in exchange for a fourth round pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 21, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
Sean Payton head coach of the Saints suspended for a year over the bounty program. Def coordinator suspended indefinitely. They also lose some draft picks this year and next.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 04:56:07 PM
Tebow to the Jets is a done deal, in exchange for a fourth round pick.

Stephan A Smith on espn New York, is going crazy bout it, he's a good listen !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 21, 2012, 05:14:57 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 05:11:23 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 04:56:07 PM
Tebow to the Jets is a done deal, in exchange for a fourth round pick.

Stephan A Smith on espn New York, is going crazy bout it, he's a good listen !

I can imagine. I listened to a bit of him yesterday!

Hard to know what to make of it. Might light a fire under Sanchez, but I can't see Tebow replacing him as starter unless Sanchez really fucks it up.

The Jets running game was poor enough last year though!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 05:17:40 PM
First poor game Sanchez has, NY fans will be screaming for Tebow. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 21, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2012, 05:17:40 PM
First poor game Sanchez has, NY fans will be screaming for Tebow.

So after the first game of the season then. ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 21, 2012, 05:23:38 PM
The soap opera continues....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 21, 2012, 05:25:19 PM
And when they notice that Tebow can't throw the ball they'll appreciate Sanchez a bit more! Teams have seen enough of Tebow now to defend against him. Sanchez is the better quarterback by far. Hopefully he sorts out his issues with the likes of Holmes and this motivates him to consistently produce his playoff performances.

How will Tebow handle the ruthless NYC media?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 21, 2012, 06:28:21 PM
New Orleans hit pretty hard for the bounty hunting scheme.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7718136/sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-banned-one-year-bounties

"Saints coach Sean Payton has been suspended for one year, former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was suspended indefinitely, general manager Mickey Loomis was suspended for the first eight regular-season games, the team was fined $500,000 and lost two second-round draft picks (one in 2012 and '13) as a result of a bounty program conducted by the team during the 2009-11 seasons that targeted opposing players.

Saints assistant coach Joe Vitt also was suspended six games and fined $100,000. The NFL said in its statement that the suspensions for Payton, Loomis and Vitt are without pay...."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 21, 2012, 09:42:25 PM
That is a big punishment for the Saints, they will be in turmoil now. There are suspensions coming for the defensive players now as well. They are being held up by an independent investigation by the NFLPA the players association.

I predict a big comedown for the Saints next year. They will miss their head coach a lot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 21, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
I don't think the fines and suspensions are unjust for the Saints. What they were doing was trying to eliminate players from play and possible careers. For once this is something I believe the NFL has done right and has sent a stern warning to other teams, although they should have came down harder on Belichick with his "spygate" a few years back to keep the system fair and level for all teams.

On the NFL Network the Broncos are looking for $5 Million with the draft picks for Tebow to complete the deal which could essentially end the trade.

Warren Sapp outed Shockey as the leak for the Saints Bounty Program which is big news since the both went to the U of Miami and they stick together no matter what. Shockey has become a prima dona and just alienated himself from the U and the entire NFL if Sapp's allegations are correct.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 21, 2012, 10:28:17 PM
I was shocked when I read up as to what the bounty scheme was. Saints coaches and players involved in this deserve any punishment they get.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 28, 2012, 04:48:56 PM
Few pieces of NFL news today

The OT rules that were in place for last years post-season will be in effect for all games this year.

All turnovers will now be subject to review like scoring plays. No coaching challenges will be needed.

Brandon Jacobs has reached an agreement to sign with the 49ers

The Giants and the Cowboys kick off the season - Wednesday September 5th at Met-Life Stadium
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 28, 2012, 06:51:24 PM

The Giants have lost Jacobs AND Manningham to the 49ers?

Not too surprised with Jacobs leaving. He had a good post-season this year, but his form was very poor for a long, long stretch leading up to that. Poor yardage for a big lad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on March 29, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Is the 2012 NFL schedule out yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 29, 2012, 07:30:41 PM
Quote from: thejuice on March 29, 2012, 07:22:16 PM
Is the 2012 NFL schedule out yet?

No, sometime in April I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 29, 2012, 08:34:31 PM
Not out yet, but the Giants will play the Cowboys at the Meadowlands in the opening game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
New NFL uniforms from Nike are being revealed today - and if they are anything like this - I'm afraid

http://www.nfloffseason.com/post/20410548132/the-new-seattle-seahawks-uniforms-have-arrived

Actually - they aren't too bad

(https://p.twimg.com/ApkWhhUCEAAPDsS.jpg)
(https://p.twimg.com/ApkW1dmCIAA9hsV.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 04, 2012, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2012, 10:28:17 PM
I was shocked when I read up as to what the bounty scheme was. Saints coaches and players involved in this deserve any punishment they get.

They all try and knock each other out, the players on other teams have no problem with what they did, in other words, like the patriots spying scandal before them, everyone is at it, they got caught and therein lies the difference!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 04, 2012, 03:23:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 03, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
New NFL uniforms from Nike are being revealed today - and if they are anything like this - I'm afraid

http://www.nfloffseason.com/post/20410548132/the-new-seattle-seahawks-uniforms-have-arrived

Actually - they aren't too bad

(https://p.twimg.com/ApkWhhUCEAAPDsS.jpg)
(https://p.twimg.com/ApkW1dmCIAA9hsV.jpg)

Was a bit disappointed with the new Nike uniforms. 95% of them looked identical to the old Reebok stuff. Was half expecting some of the more out there uniforms that Nike produce for some of the College teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on April 05, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
Watching a superb documentary on PBS at the minute on the history of Baseball...fcuk thon Ty Cobb was a cnut!! Babe Ruth fairly enjoyed himself...great insight..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 05, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Audio of the Saints bounty program in full effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 05, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 05, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
Watching a superb documentary on PBS at the minute on the history of Baseball...fcuk thon Ty Cobb was a cnut!! Babe Ruth fairly enjoyed himself...great insight..

Ty Cobb was the most hated player in baseball history, his own team mates couldnt stand him and he was as bad a racist as you could get.

Babe Ruth could do it all, he was a pitcher at the major league level and he was a switch hitter, he also loved the ladies and they loved his fame and his money. He was great to kids, especially orphans as he was one himself, a great character altogether.

I would have loved to see how he would have matched up against the negro league players though, that would have been something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on April 06, 2012, 02:21:41 PM
Quote from: stew on April 05, 2012, 10:58:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 05, 2012, 12:49:25 AM
Watching a superb documentary on PBS at the minute on the history of Baseball...fcuk thon Ty Cobb was a cnut!! Babe Ruth fairly enjoyed himself...great insight..

Ty Cobb was the most hated player in baseball history, his own team mates couldnt stand him and he was as bad a racist as you could get.

Babe Ruth could do it all, he was a pitcher at the major league level and he was a switch hitter, he also loved the ladies and they loved his fame and his money. He was great to kids, especially orphans as he was one himself, a great character altogether.

I would have loved to see how he would have matched up against the negro league players though, that would have been something.

Have you watched that series on PBS Stew...fascinating stuff. Each episode covers a different decade from the 1900s onwards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 06, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Is this the Ken Burns series?

If so, its superb, as have all the documentary series made by the Burns brothers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on April 06, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Is this the Ken Burns series?

If so, its superb, as have all the documentary series made by the Burns brothers.

That's the one....top class.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 06, 2012, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 05, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Audio of the Saints bounty program in full effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA)

Scandalous stuff. Any of us that played sport would not be shrinking violets and there is a certain macho BS element to some of these speeches but that's way, way past the line. Disgusting stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on April 06, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 06, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Is this the Ken Burns series?

If so, its superb, as have all the documentary series made by the Burns brothers.

That's the one....top class.

The series is brilliant but PBS have absolutely massacred it in the editing. They've only included about half the original series with each episode about an hour long compared to at least two originally and they've managed to leave out some pretty important stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 06, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 06, 2012, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 05, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Audio of the Saints bounty program in full effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA)

Scandalous stuff. Any of us that played sport would not be shrinking violets and there is a certain macho BS element to some of these speeches but that's way, way past the line. Disgusting stuff.

Hardly Scandalous!
They were the only team caught, it's common place in all locker rooms according to some unnamed players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 07, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 06, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 06, 2012, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 05, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Audio of the Saints bounty program in full effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA)

Scandalous stuff. Any of us that played sport would not be shrinking violets and there is a certain macho BS element to some of these speeches but that's way, way past the line. Disgusting stuff.

Hardly Scandalous!
They were the only team caught, it's common place in all locker rooms according to some unnamed players.

I must be leading a sheltered life. Talk of targetting guys heads and ACL's is scandalous in my view and even if the whole world is at it it's still disgraceful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Claw on April 07, 2012, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 07, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 06, 2012, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 06, 2012, 04:10:42 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 05, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Audio of the Saints bounty program in full effect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhnn9kbqQUA)

Scandalous stuff. Any of us that played sport would not be shrinking violets and there is a certain macho BS element to some of these speeches but that's way, way past the line. Disgusting stuff.

Hardly Scandalous!
They were the only team caught, it's common place in all locker rooms according to some unnamed players.

I must be leading a sheltered life. Talk of targetting guys heads and ACL's is scandalous in my view and even if the whole world is at it it's still disgraceful.

Total disgrace. He will never get a job coaching again. It's not like he had a few words here and there, the whole speech was about injuring the other team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 07, 2012, 03:43:33 AM
You would never hear it round a Gaa field! Several times I have witnessed Managers shouting in to his tough defender to " take him out of it the next time he touches it".  Many a Gaa player has also had his injury "tested " early under instruction from coaches.  I personally don't see the problem, it's men against men in a contact sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 07, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
The only player I ever saw take it handy on an opponent when he had him dead to rights was the late, great Reggie White, he was so good he literally jumped over player to get to the QB, and once there, he wrapped him up and dropped to the ground without injuring him.

Speeches like the one being banded about on tv and the web are the norm, they happen all over the country and if everyone is trying to be a human highlight reel where is the problem?

The unfortunately named saints simply got caught saying and doing what others have done for decades, the whole thing is hypocrisy, period, end of!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 07, 2012, 03:27:08 PM
Had Williams just said in broad terms "take player A out of it" or "hit player B hard" he might have just got a regular ban but the fact that he specifically mentions targetting the head of a player with concussion history and to blow out another player's ACL is a bit too close to the bone. I think there is a line that is palatable and he stepped way over it. Especially at a time when things like head trauma is a big issue in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 07, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
That is true to some extent but there is a price to pay for playing in a big money business like the NFL.

NFl chief Goodell is cleaning up the dark side of the game and the Saints got caught running a bounty system so they are going to be hung out to dry. It is a big money media business and the Saints are going to suffer because of that reality there are cameras and sound recording equipment every where
and the NFL will face massive lawsuits from injured and broke players beccause of this.

They are lucky Brett Favre isn't broke because he would have a big lawsuit from his treatment in the 09 NFC championship game.

Quote from: stew on April 07, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
The only player I ever saw take it handy on an opponent when he had him dead to rights was the late, great Reggie White, he was so good he literally jumped over player to get to the QB, and once there, he wrapped him up and dropped to the ground without injuring him.

Speeches like the one being banded about on tv and the web are the norm, they happen all over the country and if everyone is trying to be a human highlight reel where is the problem?

The unfortunately named saints simply got caught saying and doing what others have done for decades, the whole thing is hypocrisy, period, end of!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 07, 2012, 07:41:23 PM
That 09 Championship game was hard to watch. Favre, as annoying as it was to see him dragging his career out, it was sickening watching getting lumps knocked out of him. Now that we know the truth of it, it sits even worse in the memory.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 10, 2012, 02:01:50 PM
Whats the craic with tickets for the Irish Vs Navy game? Sold out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 10, 2012, 02:17:48 PM
It seems so.  :(

I'm looking for 2 tickets if there are any spare?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 10, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on April 06, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 06, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Is this the Ken Burns series?

If so, its superb, as have all the documentary series made by the Burns brothers.

That's the one....top class.

The series is brilliant but PBS have absolutely massacred it in the editing. They've only included about half the original series with each episode about an hour long compared to at least two originally and they've managed to leave out some pretty important stuff

Its currently available on Netflix on their online service. No idea if they've edited it. Surprised at PBS though as they're usually excellent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on April 10, 2012, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 10, 2012, 07:11:01 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on April 06, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 06, 2012, 03:40:42 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2012, 03:04:25 PM
Is this the Ken Burns series?

If so, its superb, as have all the documentary series made by the Burns brothers.

That's the one....top class.

The series is brilliant but PBS have absolutely massacred it in the editing. They've only included about half the original series with each episode about an hour long compared to at least two originally and they've managed to leave out some pretty important stuff

Its currently available on Netflix on their online service. No idea if they've edited it. Surprised at PBS though as they're usually excellent.

Me too. I have it on DVD so realised there was stuff missing, but it got even worse in some episodes that referred to things then ignored them like the Dodgers winning the World Series in '55 and game six of the '75 World Series at Fenway Park when Cartlon Fisk hit the home run. They even managed to leave out the Black Sox
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on April 16, 2012, 08:36:26 PM
So these lads are in the Super bowl semi-final so to speak, they get paid thousands each week so how much do you think the extra "bounty" on a lads head motivates them? The actual "Bounty" here is tiny compared to what they get paid on a weekly basis and they may never get a chance to play in a Super Bowl so I'd find it hard to believe that this small amount of cash would be motivating to them. Maybe having their name up in the dressing room as the lad that bust open player X would be more of a motivator but that will be there even without the bounty.
I'm not saying this bounty system is OK but just find it hard to see how it will get a lad more motivated than he should already be.

Quote from: Capt Pat on April 07, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
That is true to some extent but there is a price to pay for playing in a big money business like the NFL.

NFl chief Goodell is cleaning up the dark side of the game and the Saints got caught running a bounty system so they are going to be hung out to dry. It is a big money media business and the Saints are going to suffer because of that reality there are cameras and sound recording equipment every where
and the NFL will face massive lawsuits from injured and broke players beccause of this.

They are lucky Brett Favre isn't broke because he would have a big lawsuit from his treatment in the 09 NFC championship game.

Quote from: stew on April 07, 2012, 03:16:40 PM
The only player I ever saw take it handy on an opponent when he had him dead to rights was the late, great Reggie White, he was so good he literally jumped over player to get to the QB, and once there, he wrapped him up and dropped to the ground without injuring him.

Speeches like the one being banded about on tv and the web are the norm, they happen all over the country and if everyone is trying to be a human highlight reel where is the problem?

The unfortunately named saints simply got caught saying and doing what others have done for decades, the whole thing is hypocrisy, period, end of!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on April 16, 2012, 08:52:26 PM
Anyone see the Sharks/Blues bust up Saturday evening in the Hockey, round 2 today. Some hammering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dN0kF_zif8&feature=youtube_gdata

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 18, 2012, 09:57:21 AM
NFL schedule out. Really like da Bears chances though they have a lot of short weeks. NFC North could be even tighter this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 18, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
Did anyone see the Flyers and the Pens bust up in game 3? It went on all night. Joe Duffy would have a stroke.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 18, 2012, 02:24:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 18, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
Did anyone see the Flyers and the Pens bust up in game 3? It went on all night. Joe Duffy would have a stroke.

The  NHL playoffs have been mental this year. Some amount of fighting going on with an odd bit of hockey thrown in.

Even Sidney Crosby has been scrapping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOuPCSp5X1I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOuPCSp5X1I)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 18, 2012, 02:58:02 PM
Derrytresk and Dromid must feel hard done by :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 18, 2012, 07:23:48 PM
Steelers throwbacks

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/545140_10150659362536006_7331091005_9595361_1833336479_n.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 19, 2012, 09:53:44 AM
They could get get Brian Cody to guest coach with those outfits!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 19, 2012, 01:09:43 PM
Since I will be over in San Francisco this November and I saw the Rams playing Wembley I thought great, I wont bother with that.

Schedule comes out and the only viable game for me to go see is the 49ers against the feckin' Rams. Typical.

Chargers & Raiders are on the road that week. Still I'm sure it'll be good craic in the car park before hand. Are tickets easy to get on general sale?

Whats the weather line in California in November?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 19, 2012, 01:33:50 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 19, 2012, 01:09:43 PM
Since I will be over in San Francisco this November and I saw the Rams playing Wembley I thought great, I wont bother with that.

Schedule comes out and the only viable game for me to go see is the 49ers against the feckin' Rams. Typical.

Chargers & Raiders are on the road that week. Still I'm sure it'll be good craic in the car park before hand. Are tickets easy to get on general sale?

Whats the weather line in California in November?

49ers and Rams might be a good game though juice. Well into the season and a divisional rivalry. I'd expect the Rams to be fairly good this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 19, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
I forgot they were in the same division. Hope that doesn't cause ticket demand to go through the roof. Would like to have decent seats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 19, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
Im elated.  Some pundits have the Browns openiing 0-13.  Can't wait for that first pick next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 19, 2012, 03:10:35 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 19, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
Im elated.  Some pundits have the Browns openiing 0-13.  Can't wait for that first pick next year.

Yeah can't wait for another Courtney Brown or Tim Couch !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 19, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
The Browns will be ok next year, unless they take a QB? I would be more worried if I was a Colts fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 19, 2012, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 19, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
The Browns will be ok next year, unless they take a QB? I would be more worried if I was a Colts fan.

They need to take Trent Richardson and try and give a pedestrian offense a bit of spark. Wouldn't be surprised if they traded down from that pick and draft some non-entity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 19, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
I think you're right, Minder.  If by chance Minnesota don't pick Kalil, thet'd have to give him a serious look.  But they need an impact RB. Please, please, don't pick a QB.  I also want receivers with speed and glue fingers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 19, 2012, 08:14:13 PM
I think the Browns will take Trent Richardson although it seems they are still considering taking Justin Blackmon provided the Vikings don't take him and go with Kalil.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 19, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 19, 2012, 08:14:13 PM
I think the Browns will take Trent Richardson although it seems they are still considering taking Justin Blackmon provided the Vikings don't take him and go with Kalil.

I hope they take Richardson, and use a later pick on a WR.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2012, 02:27:21 AM
Richardson to the Browns after a mini trade with tge Vikings
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2012, 02:29:29 AM
Vikings Take Kalil, cowboys trade up for Claiborne a cornerback, Cards get Floyd a receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2012, 02:45:17 AM
Jets get Quentin Coples a defensive end :o The Seahawks get Bruce Irvine outside :'( linebacker
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on April 27, 2012, 11:31:59 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 27, 2012, 02:45:17 AM
Jets get Quentin Coples a defensive end :o The Seahawks get Bruce Irvine outside :'( linebacker

And the Dolphins take an overrated puddin'  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 28, 2012, 04:44:40 PM
NBA playoffs begin today, Bulls 76ers then Knicks Heat.  Two good games to get it started, later is Orlando Indiana and Dallas Oklahoma is the last game of the day.
Let's go Knicks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2012, 05:46:34 PM
Wass looking at the notes on Nfl.com of Schwartz, the tackle from Cal that the Browns drafted #37.

They had him down as a fifth rounder  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 28, 2012, 08:02:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2012, 05:46:34 PM
Wass looking at the notes on Nfl.com of Schwartz, the tackle from Cal that the Browns drafted #37.

They had him down as a fifth rounder  :-[

Sure the Pats picked a safety in the middle of the 2nd round that a lot of people thought would go in the 6th or 7th round or even go undrafted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 28, 2012, 10:25:13 PM
So much for the Knicks, down by 27 with 5 to go in third! Plus rookie Shumpert just carried off with serious looking knee injury. He's probably there best defender! Miami in four
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
Derrick Rose out for the rest of post season, torn ACL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 29, 2012, 12:31:58 AM
That's Chicagos chances gone. They should still make it to eastern finals but Miami will be to strong.  Miami Oklahoma would be a good final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 29, 2012, 12:33:36 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 29, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
Derrick Rose out for the rest of post season, torn ACL.
He was approaching triple double territory when it happened. There cant be many sports put more strain on the knee.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 29, 2012, 02:09:37 AM
Shumperts season finished with torn ACL also!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on April 29, 2012, 12:46:19 PM
Absolutely gutted for D Rose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2012, 01:01:51 PM
Read an article on the NBA site a few days ago suggesting the Bulls rested him for the playoffs and waited until next year given the number of injuries he's had this season. Hindsight is a great thing, but may have been right call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on April 29, 2012, 01:16:59 PM
What good would rest have done him? Did you see the play? He jump-stopped and elevated for a shot. There was little or no  twisting involved which suggests that his knee was weak and was going to go anyway. Unless he was going to go through a rehab program, rest wouldn't have dealt with the risk of his knee going.

Very disappointed with the Pacers performance against the Magic. Defense was spot on but the offensive execution was horrible. And once again the 2nd unit was a real dead spot for the team -  none of the energy and tempo that was their trademark a few months ago. Apart from Psycho T, none of them really got it done. It's a real series now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
I imagine "rest" didn't mean invite him to sit on his hole for six months.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 29, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 29, 2012, 02:09:37 AM
Shumperts season finished with torn ACL also!

There goes half of the Knicks defense.

Unbelievable stuff from Lebron and the Heat in that second quarter yesterday.

The only comfort for the Knicks is that Chandler was ill and the Heat lost the series to the Mavericks last year despite looking very good in the first few games. That's just clutching at straws though. I think the Knicks will be hard pressed to win even one game given the way Carmello Anthony was rendered completely irrelevant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RMDrive on April 29, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 29, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
I imagine "rest" didn't mean invite him to sit on his hole for six months.
But unless his work was going to focus on strengthening his knee it's unlikely it would have made any difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 02, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
Reports Junior Seau has been shot dead?

Edit - Looks like suicide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 02, 2012, 08:21:33 PM
apparently suicide indeed, he had another "domestic" last time he drove his car off a cliff in 2010 and it looks as if he shot himself in the chest. A possibility that he took that route so that his brain could be checked for damage due to multiple traumas...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2012, 08:26:45 PM
Duerson went the same way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2012, 08:30:21 PM
Was reading there that he is the 8th member of the AFC winning team of 1994. The rest mostly died of cardiac related illnesses - probably due to steroid abuse imo, although one fella was struck by lightening!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 02, 2012, 11:07:37 PM
Sad. I remember him in his pomp in San Diego.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 03, 2012, 01:42:33 AM
Ok - this is legit the worst call in baseball ever

(http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Welke.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on May 03, 2012, 07:52:27 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 02, 2012, 08:30:21 PM
Was reading there that he is the 8th member of the AFC winning team of 1994. The rest mostly died of cardiac related illnesses - probably due to steroid abuse imo, although one fella was struck by lightening!
Kinda freaky alright:

— Junior Seau, LB, 43, May 2012, from apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.

— Lew Bush, LB, 42, December 2011, apparent heart attack.

— Shawn Lee, DT, 44, February 2011, heart attack brought on by double pneumonia (suffered from diabetes).

— Chris Mims, DE, 38, October 2008, heart failure/enlarged heart (he weighed over 32 stone).

— Curtis Whitley, C, 39, May 2008, drug overdose.

— Doug Miller, LB, 28, July 1998, killed by two lightning strikes while camping in Colorado

— Rodney Culver, RB, 26, May 1996, in ValuJet crash, with his wife, Karen.

— David Griggs, LB, 28, July 1995, car crash.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 08, 2012, 11:39:44 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18361297 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18361297)

Interesting development
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on June 20, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
NFL - Percy Harvin of the Vikings has requested a trade. :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 20, 2012, 10:03:07 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 20, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
NFL - Percy Harvin of the Vikings has requested a trade. :'(

He wont be traded.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on June 21, 2012, 12:43:16 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 03, 2012, 01:42:33 AM
Ok - this is legit the worst call in baseball ever

(http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Welke.jpg)

This one's close..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hho8yjTguGM&feature=endscreen

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on June 21, 2012, 09:34:20 AM
Interesting

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a0040a/article/nfl-considering-ireland-for-regularseason-game?module=HP11_headline_stack

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 21, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Must be nearly time for Fantasy Football again...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 21, 2012, 11:03:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 21, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Must be nearly time for Fantasy Football again...

ARE WE THERE YET....ARE WE THERE YET....!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 21, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 21, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Must be nearly time for Fantasy Football again...

:D was thinking about it today myself . I was picturing Seanie planning his team allready.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 21, 2012, 11:58:22 AM
I downloaded Mathew Berry's (ESPN) Draft DAy Manifesto. You know it's coming round when they start being published.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on June 21, 2012, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 21, 2012, 09:56:07 AM
Must be nearly time for Fantasy Football again...

All is well in the world again ;D
Still getting over last years final defeat by a point...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 22, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of The Heat and particularly Bosh, I will tip my hat to them for a fantastic final series and well deserved win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 22, 2012, 11:09:58 PM
Is there a Army v's Navy game on in Ireland this year ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 23, 2012, 01:41:30 AM
Notre Dame vs. Navy, I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 23, 2012, 08:43:03 AM
Notre dame v navy sept 1st in the Aviva. Tickets locked and loaded.
Might even have a couple of spares as holidays and championship matches interfere
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 23, 2012, 09:46:23 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 23, 2012, 08:43:03 AM
Notre dame v navy sept 1st in the Aviva. Tickets locked and loaded.
Might even have a couple of spares as holidays and championship matches interfere

Are tickets still on sale Az would like to try and make this game .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 23, 2012, 10:57:37 PM
Any good sites to watch baseball games on?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on June 23, 2012, 11:25:32 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 23, 2012, 09:46:23 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 23, 2012, 08:43:03 AM
Notre dame v navy sept 1st in the Aviva. Tickets locked and loaded.
Might even have a couple of spares as holidays and championship matches interfere

Are tickets still on sale Az would like to try and make this game .

They sold out a long time ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 24, 2012, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 22, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
As much as I'm not a fan of The Heat and particularly Bosh, I will tip my hat to them for a fantastic final series and well deserved win.

Bosh? Really? Why?

Most of the hatred seems to be for LeBron, all because of his ill-advised "decision" spectacular!

On the LeBron hype though (as in all other sports and news issues), the American media is even more knee-jerk than some of the discussion on this board (see soccer and football threads)! Several times over the past six weeks, when the Heat were down in a series and the media were having "grave" discussions about whether LeBron and Wade were "really" compatible and how the whole project might have to be scrapped. Of course, each and every time they wrote the obituaries, LeBron excelled and pulled the Heat through. Even then though, OKC were going to do them in six as they had by far the better depth. Now, since Friday, they're crowning him as the most gifted all-round player in NBA history arguably the greatest player of all time. And apparently the Heat are set to rule the Eastern Conference for years and probably meet OKC in the finals for the next few at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 25, 2012, 05:30:41 AM
The decision............................was an awful decision (pardon the pun) by a young man who thought he was bullet proof due to the fact he was full of himself, based on the fact that everyone he ever met had told him he was the best thing since sliced bread, he now realizes he isnt.

Le Bron James is a solid citizen who has never been in trouble in his life, he is a decent, hard working man who happens to have the potential to be as good as one Michael Jordan, he has matured and I for one wish him all the best, that said if Durrant was fully fit this would have been a tremendous series.

I never pulled for James, I never will but I will not wish ill of a man who is a decent human being and one who is growing with every passing season, he is the real deal and a good guy so fair fcuks to him.

I am hoping OKC stay together, i seriously doubt this league has seen the likes of the selflessness of Durrant and his posse, they are incredible and a credit to the modern ballplayer.

fThere, fixed, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 25, 2012, 09:33:14 AM
Selflessness Stew? As opposed to Selfishness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 10:11:42 AM
LeBron is very good but he's no MJ.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 25, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Jordan won his first ring at 28.


LeBron is 27
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 25, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 25, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Jordan won his first ring at 28.


LeBron is 27

Aye but OKC are going nowhere, they are young and IF they can get them locked up they are going to be better than the heat, they are younger, more athletic and they now have the experience that should get them over the line.

D Rose will get his as well, to me there are more quality teams around now than in Jordans day and i think Le Bron will get no more than four rings, probably three or less, the rest of the league will get theirs and D wade is getting up there and is never going to be 100% again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 25, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
Wade's only 30.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 25, 2012, 05:33:58 PM
Even if James was as good a player as Jordan (a majorly big "if") he'll never be his equal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 25, 2012, 05:50:43 PM
I have never liked Bosh. He is that one player for me. The Rooney of Basketball, The Ricey of the NBA....
He is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is, comes across like that in interviews and I just don't like him.

LBJ debate on how great or not he is will be ongoing. He's no MJ.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 25, 2012, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 25, 2012, 04:27:10 PM
Wade's only 30.

He has a ton of miles on the clock and is beaten up, he can never get fully fit and is having poor games more frequently than ever before, he is still a tremendous player but one that is on the decline imo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 26, 2012, 03:04:23 PM
I'd love to see Wade at Boston...they are badly in need of some new additions for next season!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 27, 2012, 01:38:09 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 25, 2012, 01:43:31 PM
Jordan won his first ring at 28.


LeBron is 27

But LeBron came into the NBA straight from High School (9yrs to win) and Jordan graduated from North Carolina (7yrs to win).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on July 06, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
I got my premium tickets for the navy/notre dame game yesterday. My friends who ordered the regular tickets still haven't got their tickets yet, just wondering has anyone else received their tickets yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 06, 2012, 02:34:32 PM
Good question. Must ask d'brudder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on July 06, 2012, 03:20:42 PM
My premium tickets arrived yesterday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 06, 2012, 03:51:29 PM
So much for the 35k fans travelling from the US. I couldn't figure where that was coming from.  If there's a few going from here we should meet up for a scatter of pints. I'm heading to Parnell PArk on Friday to see the High School games as well, there's an Arizona team playing :)



Saturday, June 30, 2012
Anthony Travel Takes 10,000 Fans Overseas

The Dallas Morning News

When Notre Dame and the U.S. Naval Academy square off in their football season opener on Sept. 1, the Fighting Irish will have an unusual home-field advantage. The game is being played in Dublin at the Emerald Isle Classic. But the teams will be on equal footing when it comes to travel arrangements. Dallas-based Anthony Travel Inc. is handling the trip for both athletic departments and the more than 10,000 loyal fans trekking to Ireland from all 50 states and Canada. read more
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 06, 2012, 03:57:25 PM
I am extremely jealous of everyone going to this.

I snoozed and loozed.  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 06, 2012, 04:03:11 PM
juice, there's a small chance this could clash with Offaly SFC 1/4 finals and if our club are involved I might have a couple spares.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on July 06, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
That's mighty kind.

Now which club in Offaly should I be cheering for?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bannside on July 06, 2012, 09:42:42 PM
Was talking to a knowledable man today about these things and he was telling me about "March Madness weekend". Its for the 4 remaining basketball colleges and is pure massive. Apparently the college scene in US is the biggest revenue maker in American sports. Interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 05, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
Going to California in November. Which colleges are there and any big football games on?

I know there is UCLA but don't know any others.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 05, 2012, 04:30:13 PM
Check out the Pac 12 schedule and schools like San Diego Stateor San Jose State

Fri., Nov. 2
Washington at California

Sat., Nov. 3
Oregon at USC

Sat., Nov. 10
Arizona State at USC
Oregon at California
Oregon State at Stanford

Sat., Nov. 17
USC at UCLA

Sat., Nov. 24
Notre Dame at USC
Stanford at UCLA


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 05, 2012, 06:50:01 PM
cheers i'll be around the weekend of the 10th. What are the chances of tickets being got?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 05, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
I couldn't say, but USC (Southern California) play their home games in the Los Angeles Coliseum, and I know that's got a capacity of over 90,000.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 05, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reids son passed away at the Eagles training camp. I beleive he was a one time heroin addict and trouble maker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on August 09, 2012, 09:26:12 PM
Any streams to the games tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 13, 2012, 09:21:42 PM
Rams have withdrawn their commitment to play in London in 2013 & 2014
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on August 13, 2012, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: thejuice on August 05, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
Going to California in November. Which colleges are there and any big football games on?

I know there is UCLA but don't know any others.

Fresno State...Woof woof woof!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 14, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
USC Trojans. San Diego State Aztecs, or if you are up in northern Cal, Stanford and California Golden Bears.

Cal, USC, UCLA and Stanford are all in the PAC-12 which is a high scoring conference football wise. SEC defences eat them up in bowl games, but they play some amount of 50+v20+ type games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Onion Bag on August 23, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
lads, my cousin is coming home from the states for an American footy match in the Aviva next weekend, he tells me he has a ticket for me,

never watached this in my life, is this a big game, something that would be worth going to? or should i just hang back in the bar and let him at it

i think it is some college match, sorry if this has already been discussed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 23, 2012, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: Onion Bag on August 23, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
lads, my cousin is coming home from the states for an American footy match in the Aviva next weekend, he tells me he has a ticket for me,

never watached this in my life, is this a big game, something that would be worth going to? or should i just hang back in the bar and let him at it

i think it is some college match, sorry if this has already been discussed
[/quote

Some people on here are desperate for tickets to that game. If you are giving up the ticket you will make a lot of freinds on here very quickly. Tickets are going for a small fortune on the gum tree and e bay

It is Notre Dame v Navy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Onion Bag on August 23, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
Cheers capt pat, he has 4 tickets, me him and another are going, the other ticket is for some yank. I might cash mine in on ebay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 24, 2012, 10:10:45 AM
don't sell it on Ebay you numpty :) There's lads here would beg for it :)

It's Notre Dame versus Navy, a regular season college game which is one of the older traditional matches that happens every season. It's a sell out in the Aviva. Don't go to Ebay for Jaysus' sake.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Onion Bag on August 24, 2012, 11:18:25 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2012, 10:10:45 AM
don't sell it on Ebay you numpty :) There's lads here would beg for it :)

It's Notre Dame versus Navy, a regular season college game which is one of the older traditional matches that happens every season. It's a sell out in the Aviva. Don't go to Ebay for Jaysus' sake.

Ok ok ok AZ, i will take the game in, never watched American fuzz ball before never mind been to a game, i suppose it will be a new experience, AZ you numpty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on August 27, 2012, 08:38:52 AM
Accusations of extortion over American football match
By Stephen Rogers
Monday, August 27, 2012
With less than a week to go to the sellout Emerald Isle Classic American Football game at the Aviva Stadium, one of the teams has accused the sport's Irish association of attempted extortion.
The Sept 1 match between the US Naval Academy and Notre Dame has spawned a bitter dispute between the Irish American Football Association (IAFA) and Navy.

As reported by the Irish Examiner earlier this month, IAFA, the national governing body for American Football in Ireland which is recognised by the Irish Sports Council and the Federation of Irish Sports, accused Navy of refusing to comply with sanctioning conditions it agreed and signed with IAFA in Mar 2011.

Those conditions included a number of agreements designed to promote the game in this country. The cost of the terms is about €75,000.

However, the naval team has claimed it never agreed to make the contributions.

Athletic director Chet Gladchuk told US-based Marine Corps Times that while it did apply for sanctioning from IAFA for the game in Mar 2011, once it became clear that the IAFA "had no real legal oversight for the game" discussions were dropped.

"We've been running football for 130 years, as has Notre Dame," Mr Gladchuk told the magazine.

"We certainly don't need a parochial association to give us advice on how to conduct a Navy-Notre Dame event."

He said the academy would continue to "offer visibility" at the game as a courtesy to IAFA.

"We'll do what we can to appease or accommodate them to whatever the degree. But we're not going to allow them to extort unjustified resources."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on August 27, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
St Norbert's college in the Green Bay area plays John Carroll University in their season opener this coming Friday at Donnybrook with the kickoff at 7:30, they are a Division 3 school but are a nationally renowned at that level, this would be worth seeing if any of you have an interest, just thought I would let you all know.  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 27, 2012, 08:32:02 PM
Are you kidding, Stew.  Took plenty of graduate classes at JCU.  It's home to NFL player London Fletcher and coaching great Don Shula.  Go Blue Streaks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 28, 2012, 04:32:07 PM
juice, pm sent there...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on August 29, 2012, 08:42:15 PM
Post-season promo with the Boss - thought this was good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFUmmYO0Yro&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFUmmYO0Yro&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on August 29, 2012, 09:44:25 PM
Ticketmaster threw up a few tickets for the Aviva there on Saturday , nabbed one. Delighted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 30, 2012, 12:59:32 AM
If there are tickets for it on ticket master. That means the market for the 500 euro tickets on E Bay and gum tree has collapsed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 30, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: stew on August 27, 2012, 05:24:23 PM
St Norbert's college in the Green Bay area plays John Carroll University in their season opener this coming Friday at Donnybrook with the kickoff at 7:30, they are a Division 3 school but are a nationally renowned at that level, this would be worth seeing if any of you have an interest, just thought I would let you all know.  :)

Would love to be able to go to Dublin this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on August 30, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Was going to post this in the WTF thread but anyway:

Neil Diamond's 'Sweet Caroline' banned from Penn State football games over 'touching you' lyric

NEIL Diamond's classic hit 'Sweet Caroline' has been banned at all of Penn State's football games in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky scandal, it has been reported.

Sandusky is a former Penn State football coach who was convicted in June of multiple charges of sexual abuse over a 15 year period.

Diamond's classic hit had long been played as part of the sing-along during the football games, however sources have told the Altoona Mirror that school management became uncomfortable with its continued use due to the "reaching out, touching me, touching you" lyrics.

Penn State officials also confirmed to the paper that the song has been pulled from the playlist at the games.

However David La Torre, a school spokesman, has denied that the lyrics played any role in their decision to pull the song.

"The song has come up on the list in recent years because it happens to be played in so many other professional and collegiate venues and has no real origination here at Penn State," La Torre told ESPN.

Penn State was fined $60m (€48m) in July over allegations that several school officials attempted to hide Sandusky's actions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on August 30, 2012, 01:53:04 PM
Fair crowd of Notre Damers around Ballsbridge at lunchtime. No leprechauns though ;)

Getting Pairc Tailteann ready:
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/526214_10151402271294676_1359124822_n.jpg)

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/551633_10151402271479676_667917191_n.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on August 30, 2012, 02:06:49 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 30, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Neil Diamond's 'Sweet Caroline' banned from Penn State football games over 'touching you' lyric

Ridiculous. Jerry Sandusky wouldn't have dreamt of touching anyone called Caroline
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 30, 2012, 02:10:06 PM
Can't wait now. Heading up tomorrow morning. Parnell Park for the double header involving Hamilton High School from Arizona, then Temple Bar for the ND tailgate on Saturday morning, and then the Aviva for the game.

Cheer, Cheer for old Notre Dame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on August 30, 2012, 02:43:06 PM
Really looking forward to the game - and it'll be good to see Navy's triple option for some real college authenticity
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 30, 2012, 02:57:19 PM
Seen loads of Notre Dame and Navy fans around these parts today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on August 30, 2012, 04:01:37 PM
Love the boots
(http://www.irishtimes.com/homepage/images/1224323341292.jpg?ts=1346338447)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on August 31, 2012, 07:31:04 AM
Wonder how much scalper will be looking for tickets outside?  Would love to go but not at an outrageous price.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 31, 2012, 07:49:20 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on August 31, 2012, 07:31:04 AM
Wonder how much scalper will be looking for tickets outside?  Would love to go but not at an outrageous price.

There were some tickets to be had on ticket master the other night. I don't know if there are any there now but I am thinking on saturday morning there will be a buyers market for the tickets outside the stadium. The scalpers will be looking for big prices but my guess is that boat has sailed and you will get them cheap on the day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 01, 2012, 10:13:36 AM
Is this being broadcast live?

How about the games in Parnell Park and Navan?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2012, 10:54:44 AM
As far as I know not on terestrial tv.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2012, 10:56:18 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 01, 2012, 10:54:44 AM
As far as I know not on terestrial tv.

Rte did tease us with a pep rally last night but no game coverage at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 01, 2012, 11:48:49 AM
and the live stream?? On the gift website? Seems to to be restricted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 01, 2012, 03:18:25 PM
wayching it now,

notre dame are winning easy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hardy on September 01, 2012, 05:15:13 PM
I caught some of this. One question - is there a bigger w**ker on the face of the planet than David Feherty? Condescending, misinformed, clownish and insulting paddywhackery in overdrive of the type that even Americans abandoned a generation or two ago. A few gems about GAA: Hurling is licensed manslaughter. Gaelic football looks like a riot into which someone threw a soccer ball. Gaelic and hurling were (in his time) "seldom played" in the North - it was all rugby and cricket. Right.

The occasion was entertaining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cicfada on September 01, 2012, 05:16:50 PM
The commentator asks David feherty to explain hurling and Gaelic football. Feherty says " Gaelic football  and hurling are not played in the north of Ireland,  Rugby and cricket are the two  big sports there" . Talk about a sheltered upbringing!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 01, 2012, 05:23:56 PM
Yeah, he seems like an awful knob.

the game was a bit one sided. Hope everyone enjoyed it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 01, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Pity the game was so one-sided. Crowd enjoyed themselves though.

David Feherty is one annoying bollocks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 01, 2012, 06:02:57 PM
The most ridiculous thing about Feherty is that accent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2012, 06:06:29 PM
The game was one sided but it was still a good event with lots of pageantry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 01, 2012, 08:23:56 PM
Feherty is living proof that being full of bullshit is far more important than talent.

Besides him it was a brilliant promotion of Ireland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 01, 2012, 08:35:37 PM
Was Feherty on the tv commentary?

John Delaney was introduced as chairman of the Aviva Stadium. There were lots of people doing lifting floating pressups in the stands. Somebody had a Tyrone flag near me. That shamrock display by the band was impressive. Unlike Penn State we were still allowed listen to sweet Caroline.

The music seems to be a big part of the college game used to create drama and make the game more of a show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_nhaTXNsdw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 01, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
CBS were the American broadcasters and as they have him for Golf he was shipped over here for the football, apparently purely on the basis that he's Irish.

Some slight relief when he did say hurling was a remarkably skillful game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 01, 2012, 10:28:29 PM
Here is that Idiot disrupting the game


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/notre-dame-navy-game-ireland-disruspted-fan-dancing-190405028--ncaaf.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 02, 2012, 04:14:20 AM
Well, Stew, John Carroll beat St. Norbert's 40-3 today in Parnell Park. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Onion Bag on September 02, 2012, 11:43:56 AM
Was at the game yesterday, great atmosphere, the talent round the stand was something serious, as for the football. Almost 4 hours to play 1 hour. The navy actually took a time out at one stage with 2 seconds left on the clock. Far too much stoping and starting for me, enjoyed the day but the game was shite IMHO. won't be in a rush to get back

Also the prices in the aviva are a f**king disgrace.

Match programme €10
A round of 4 pints €23

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 02, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 02, 2012, 04:14:20 AM
Well, Stew, John Carroll beat St. Norbert's 40-3 today in Parnell Park.

I saw that Orais, slightly embarrassed by that result, I play golf with the head coach and he told me he fancied their chances and to put a few bucks on them, I didn't but I never, never expected that result.

How many were at the game??? they have some facilities at St Norberts College, unbelievable.

By the way, I just read that a high school is spending 60 mil on a new stadium for their football team..............in Texas, that is feckin madness!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 02, 2012, 07:21:15 PM
Stew, a few lads on the Carroll team were former students of mine, and given how crappy our high school team was, I'd have been inclined to wager on St. Norbert's myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 02, 2012, 07:22:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 01, 2012, 08:23:56 PM
Feherty is living proof that being full of bullshit is far more important than talent.

Besides him it was a brilliant promotion of Ireland.


Feherty is very talented, he is very funny and the worlds greatest players love the man, as for me, I am not surprised that he is ignorant on Gaelic games in the north as he was never exposed to them, he meant no harm and was just trying to be funny.

Feherty is on tv here all the time, he is always very balanced when it comes to his experiences in the north and he is speaking on gaelic games from a very ignorant perspective as the next game he watches will be the first one he watches.

He has overcome addiction, is very, very good in his community and is proud of his Irish heritage, his Mrs Doubtfire comment about Colin Montgomery was hilarious and he has the ability to shoot from the hip and loosen up the stodgy golfing community elite when he sits down with him.

The man lives his life like an open book and I admire the shit out of him, he loves Ireland and his adopted country as do I and although we see things differently he is at least trying to move on, I like that about him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 03, 2012, 10:21:38 PM
What is the crack with NFL and sky sports this season? Looks like nothing is sorted yet
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
What?????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 03, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
No that is next season I beleive.

More imporyantly it is back on channel 4 for the late sunday games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2012, 10:55:11 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 03, 2012, 10:49:22 PM
No that is next season I beleive.

More imporyantly it is back on channel 4 for the late sunday games.

No turk is correct, nothing in place yet, mind you they usually announce it a day or two before the season starts, they are leaving it late though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 03, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
Feherty gets a bad rap, I find him enjoyable. He is indeed full of bullshit, but he was also and is also very talented and has fought his fair share of demons. I watched an interview in which he and Tom Watson shared a very poignant recap if how Watson set him on the road to recovery.

What's wrong with his comment about licensed manslaughter? Hurling's a tremendously skilled game, but at first glance you could be forgiven for thinking its a game for only the hardiest, or craziest of people? I seem to recall a tongue in cheek post about Aussie rules going viral in our small community. Same kind of approach.

He's paid to bring something fresh to the commentary of the golf, and I for one am glad of him. His interview show on the golf channel is tremendous. that said he sails close to the wind at times and managed to ostracize the big easy last year over a comment about Ernie's putting right after Ernie had missed the last chance to qualify for the masters. Ernie was very upset and labeled him a "shock jock". Feherty apologized publicly first chance he got.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 04, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
You are right. Not very professional is it I assumed with 2 days to go they would be negotiating next years contract not this years.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/01/nfl-tells-uk-fans-tv-update-is-coming-tuesday-at-the-earliest/

Channel 4 is back on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 04, 2012, 12:35:16 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 04, 2012, 12:09:41 AM
You are right. Not very professional is it I assumed with 2 days to go they would be negotiating next years contract not this years.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/01/nfl-tells-uk-fans-tv-update-is-coming-tuesday-at-the-earliest/

Channel 4 is back on.

Do Sky only secure the NFL contract on a yearly rolling basis?

Because I remember before the start of last season that Nick Halling left their NFL coverage to do boxing instead as he didn't know whether they were going to show the NFL again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 04, 2012, 12:34:47 PM
Lads - what does NFL Gamepass cost and is it available in Ireland? This Sky thing has me worried....

Did I hear that ESPN America will be carrying the Thursday night games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2012, 01:23:14 PM
Sounds like Sky will be sorted out alright. If you go to NFLUK.com there's a forum there with a few lads that seem to be in the know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
Sky Sports has been awarded a new three-year deal for live American Football, providing viewers with over 60 live NFL games a season including the International Series game at Wembley Stadium, the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

The agreement takes the partnership between Sky Sports and the NFL into its 20th year with coverage across TV, mobile, online and tablet devices.

Beginning with Wednesday night's season opening clash between the Dallas Cowboys and Super Bowl champions New York Giants, Sky's coverage for the 2012, 2013, and 2014 seasons will comprise:

•             REGULAR SEASON: Two live prime time fixtures every Sunday kicking off at 6pm and 9.15pm, three Thanksgiving Day clashes, plus regular matches on Thursday nights.

•             PLAYOFFS AND SUPER BOWL: Live coverage of every wild card, divisional and Conference Championship playoff match, plus live coverage of the annual season ending Super Bowl.

•             SUPPORT PROGRAMMING: The NFL's RedZone score update show every Sunday of the regular season available via the red button, NFL Total Access twice a week and watch out for news of exciting new regular season midweek coverage.

NFL coverage on Sky Sports is presented by Kevin Cadle, who will be joined during the season by studio guests including Neil Reynolds and Cecil Martin.  Sky Sports News HD will also provide up to date news, views and previews throughout the season while skysports.com/NFL will offer extensive gridiron coverage.

Speaking about the new agreement managing Director for the NFL UK Alistair Kirkwood said: "We are delighted to extend the relationship between the NFL and Sky Sports into its twentieth year.  Through their coverage the game has attracted many new fans in this country, and we look forward to another three seasons of excellent coverage of including the International Series matches at Wembley and the next three Super Bowls."

Kevin Cadle said: "This new deal is great news for NFL fans in the UK:  primetime coverage of two matches on Sunday evenings, RedZone, the International Series and Super Bowl all for the next 3 years!  We start our new season with some great games: last season's Super Bowl champions New York Giants at home to the Dallas Cowboys, then the Indianapolis Colts who include No1 draft pick Andrew Luck away to the Chicago Bears and on the following Thursday we get our first look at the St Louis Rams who will be coming over to the UK for the International Series in October.  There are so many ways for NFL fans in the UK to keep up with what's going on including RedZone during our live match coverage, the Total Access Show, and fans can let us know what they think about the game using our Twitter page @SkySportsNFL."

Confirmed games to be shown so far are:

September
Week 1              
Wed 5 Sep         Dallas Cowboys at New York Giants      Midnight    Sky Sports 1HD
Sun 9 Sep      Indianapolis Colts at Chicago Bears     5.30pm    Sky Sports 2HD
Sun 9 Sep      San Francisco 49ers at Green Bay Packers    9.15pm    Sky Sports 2HD
               
Week 2              
Fri 14 Sep      Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers     1.00am     Sky Sports 1HD
Sun 16 Sep      New Orleans Saints at Carolina Panthers    5.30pm    Sky Sports 3HD
Sun 16 Sep      Washington Redskins at St Louis Rams    9.15pm    Sky Sports 3HD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 04, 2012, 05:32:12 PM
Great news! Well done to Kevin Cadle and all the team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 04, 2012, 05:57:31 PM
Match on tomorrow night fecking mighty  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 04, 2012, 06:14:24 PM
Great stuff - Bears first two games on live as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 04, 2012, 06:33:12 PM
phew!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 04, 2012, 06:51:24 PM
Who cares about Rupert Murdoch getting richer and more powerful. It would have ended up on free to air tv eventually if not sky. You sports junkies just need your fix even if you know it is bad for you in the long run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 06, 2012, 09:31:13 AM
Cowboys beat the Giants last night 24-17. It was a well deserved win as the Giants didn't really threaten much on offense. Romo did well and Ogletree was the star receiver for the cowboys and had a breakout game with 2 TDs and over 100 yards.

The Giants won't make the playoffs at this rate, they have a really tough schedule and can't afford a typical post superbowl slump.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 06, 2012, 04:33:30 PM
It's one game ! They'd a really tough schedule last year after losing to the Redskins first day put.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 06, 2012, 08:38:48 PM
Floyd Mayweather placed a modest wager of $200k at halftime on Cowboys to win last night.

http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/trending/post/_/id/7552/trending-mayweather-shows-betting-slip
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 06, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
Pack V Pats for me in the superbowl, hope the Pats prevail but the Pack will do if all else fails.

The Bears will be lucky to finish third in the NFC north, the Pack and the Lions will fight tooth and nail for that Title.

The Cowboys stink and with Romo they will never win the SB, they wont even get past the second round of the playoffs, they are not good enough.

The Vikings are shite and that is great to see, a classless organization and as for the Jets...............  :) hell slap it up them, they are dreadful and hopefully the shoe sniffer gets the road this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 06, 2012, 10:09:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmmnRS1tVrk

Newly christened Andre "Wrong Way" Parker take a bow.


Why did they tackle him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 06, 2012, 10:12:38 PM
Actually it didn't matter. The ball starts on the 5 anyway. No one had a clue in the whole stadium.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 06, 2012, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
Pack V Pats for me in the superbowl, hope the Pats prevail but the Pack will do if all else fails.

The Bears will be lucky to finish third in the NFC north, the Pack and the Lions will fight tooth and nail for that Title.

The Cowboys stink and with Romo they will never win the SB, they wont even get past the second round of the playoffs, they are not good enough.

The Vikings are shite and that is great to see, a classless organization and as for the Jets...............  :) hell slap it up them, they are dreadful and hopefully the shoe sniffer gets the road this year.

Do you not live in Green Bay??

I'd fancy them this year. Hunger should be back. But last few seasons have shown the futility of predicting Superbowl winners at this stage. Both the Giants and Packers scraped into the playoffs with impressive late-season form and continued it all the way through. Steelers did it a few years back too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 06, 2012, 11:50:07 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 06, 2012, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
Pack V Pats for me in the superbowl, hope the Pats prevail but the Pack will do if all else fails.

The Bears will be lucky to finish third in the NFC north, the Pack and the Lions will fight tooth and nail for that Title.

The Cowboys stink and with Romo they will never win the SB, they wont even get past the second round of the playoffs, they are not good enough.

The Vikings are shite and that is great to see, a classless organization and as for the Jets...............  :) hell slap it up them, they are dreadful and hopefully the shoe sniffer gets the road this year.

Do you not live in Green Bay??

I'd fancy them this year. Hunger should be back. But last few seasons have shown the futility of predicting Superbowl winners at this stage. Both the Giants and Packers scraped into the playoffs with impressive late-season form and continued it all the way through. Steelers did it a few years back too.

I do but in the late eighties when I first come over I moved to Salem, MA and went to Pats, Red Sox, Bruins & Celtics games and follow them all to this day.

I am a closet brewer & pack fan but my eldest girl is a packer fanatic, so much so I got her tickets for three home games this season, Bears, Queens and Lions.

I watch games in the basement or go out with a few mates, to me the games are far better watched anywhere but Lambeau, been there done that many times and I have no desire to go back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 07, 2012, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: stew on September 06, 2012, 09:36:55 PM
Pack V Pats for me in the superbowl, hope the Pats prevail but the Pack will do if all else fails.

The Bears will be lucky to finish third in the NFC north, the Pack and the Lions will fight tooth and nail for that Title.

The Cowboys stink and with Romo they will never win the SB, they wont even get past the second round of the playoffs, they are not good enough.

The Vikings are shite and that is great to see, a classless organization and as for the Jets...............  :) hell slap it up them, they are dreadful and hopefully the shoe sniffer gets the road this year.

The Bears will be lucky to finish above the Vikings, are you really seriously suggesting this or just making a big statement looking for a reaction?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 07, 2012, 12:43:59 PM
Stewy gets a bit emotional about the NFC north at times. I am quie optimistic about the Vikings chances of having a big improvement on last season. Having said that it will be hard not to finish last in this division.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 07, 2012, 04:54:53 PM
I hardly get emotional, I just cant abide the vikings, classless shower altogether and I love it when they lose.

It's good to see Detroit getting batter and the Bears and Packers have a great rivalry, to me the queens dont belong in the NFC north and hopefully they move to LA sooner rather than later, now that I would get emotional about. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 07, 2012, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: stew on September 07, 2012, 04:54:53 PM
I hardly get emotional, I just cant abide the vikings, classless shower altogether and I love it when they lose.

It's good to see Detroit getting batter and the Bears and Packers have a great rivalry, to me the queens dont belong in the NFC north and hopefully they move to LA sooner rather than later, now that I would get emotional about. :)
They just got a new stadium in large part from the government of Minnesota. I doubt they will make it to LA any time in the next 30 or 40 years.

Classless is the man who took the Colts from Baltimore or the man who took the Ravens to Baltimore. Harbaugh Sr is now looking to put the recently deceased Modell in the hall of fame for owners. Hall of Shame is more likely.




Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 09, 2012, 05:50:56 PM
Here we go lads, another season of sunday evenings with the red button and the couch :)

Looking forward to the Pack and 49ers later on, also to seeing Andrew Luck;s debut, he looks very relaxed in the warmup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on September 10, 2012, 09:30:16 AM
Eagles got out of jail last night  ;)

Interesting start alright and young Griffin started off well.

Thought this was great - http://deadspin.com/5941348/they-wont-magically-turn-you-into-a-lustful-cockmonster-chris-kluwe-explains-gay-marriage-to-the-politician-who-is-offended-by-an-nfl-player-supporting-it (http://deadspin.com/5941348/they-wont-magically-turn-you-into-a-lustful-cockmonster-chris-kluwe-explains-gay-marriage-to-the-politician-who-is-offended-by-an-nfl-player-supporting-it)
You gotta love those NFL guys 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 10, 2012, 09:38:54 AM
Cardinals up to their old tricks against the Seahawks last night. Motoring along fairly nicely at 13-3 at half time, they turned the ball over and then gave up an 80 odd yard kick return to set up a fieldgoal and a TD respectively to make a draw out of it. Then another punt return of 50+ yards set up a 4th quarter field goal for the Seahawks. Then John Skelton did his ankle after a nightmare 3rd and 4th quarter for him. In comes Kolb, and promptly marches the Cards down the field for the go-ahead TD to Andre Roberts, 20 - 16 with about 3 minutes to go.

Jay Feeley kicks off, and this time gets a touchback so no big return. Great stuff. Rookie QB, Cards defense playing fairly well, and 80 yards to go. Well, jaysus, they only went 76 of the 80, and had 4 downs from the the 4 yard line before the Cardinals stopped them with 20 seconds left.

Cardiac Cards again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 10, 2012, 01:01:15 PM
The Vikings pulled off a bit of a minor miracle last night. The fell 3 points down with 20 seconds to go and managed to get into field goal range for their rookie kicker to kick a 55 yarder to tie. Another FG won it in overtime.

RG3 was impressive but the Saints defense has to be questioned. They could be the bottom of the league defense if they don't get their act together.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 10, 2012, 04:00:29 PM
some dig, 49ers look good,  added that bit of redzone cutting edge missing from last year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VNg3ihggqE
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 10, 2012, 06:27:14 PM
More good news for insomniacs.

The BBC has reached agreement to broadcast the National Football League's iconic Monday Night Football for the 2012 season.

Monday Night Football, which launched in the 1970s and helped build the popularity of the NFL in the United States, will be aired live by the BBC on the Red Button and will be streamed live on the BBC Sport website.

The deal means that MNF is now available to fans in the UK on a free-to-air basis. The season kicks off with a double-header next Monday (September 10), with the Cincinnati Bengals travelling to the Baltimore Ravens (kick-off at 12 midnight UK time), followed by the San Diego Chargers facing the Oakland Raiders (kick-off 3.15 a.m.)

Viewers can access BBC's Red Button service by pressing the red button on their remote from any BBC TV channel on their digital TV (including cable, satellite and Freeview). BBC Online's coverage will be available via the BBC Sports website at www.bbc.co.uk/sport.

David Murray, Head of Rights, BBC Sport, said: "We look forward to bringing Monday Night Football to our audience, who this summer have shown a great appetite for sport content via our online and red button streams. We're delighted that our relationship with the NFL continues to grow and we look forward to a great season."

In addition to MNF, BBC TV will continue to air live coverage of the Super Bowl, which is played in New Orleans on February 3, 2013; highlights of the International Series game between the New England Patriots and St Louis Rams at Wembley on Sunday October 28; and weekly playoff highlights in January.  BBC Radio will air at least one live game commentary per week on 5Live Sports Extra, beginning with the season opener between the Dallas Cowboys and Super Bowl champion New York Giants at 1.30 a.m. this Wednesday night.

"We are thrilled to be extending our relationship with the BBC in this way," said Alistair Kirkwood, Managing Director of NFLUK. "Monday Night Football is one of the jewels of the NFL season and the ability for our fans to see it free of charge is very exciting."

From Week 2 of the season, Monday Night Football will revert to its usual 1.30 a.m. start time. In Week 2 (September 17), viewers will be able to see Peyton Manning lead the Denver Broncos into battle at the Atlanta Falcons, while Week 3 features NFL MVP Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers taking on the Seattle Seahawks.


The full Monday Night Football schedule is:

Week 1 – Cincinnati at Baltimore; San Diego at Oakland

Week 2 – Denver at Atlanta

Week 3 – Green Bay at Seattle

Week 4 – Chicago at Dallas

Week 5 – Houston at NY Jets

Week 6 – Denver at San Diego

Week 7 – Detroit at Chicago

Week 8 – San Francisco at Arizona

Week 9 – Philadelphia at New Orleans

Week 10 – Kansas City at Pittsburgh

Week 11 – Chicago at San Francisco

Week 12 – Carolina at Philadelphia

Week 13 – NY Giants at Washington

Week 14 – Houston at New England

Week 15 – NY Jets at Tennessee

Week 16 – Atlanta at Detroit (Saturday night)

Plans for the broadcasts are still being formulated but along with the ESPN game coverage, featuring Mike Tirico and Super Bowl-winning head coach Jon Gruden, specific UK-related content will be developed. This includes possible incorporation of NFLUK's popular Inside The Huddle podcast, which regularly ranks in the Top 5 of the iTunes' chart for professional sports podcasts.

The Monday Night Football deal completes the package of NFL coverage in the UK for the 2012 season, following previous announcements that:

    Sky Sports will carry Sunday double-headers and all Thursday night games throughout the regular season, plus all postseason games live, as part of a new three-year deal
    Channel 4 will air Sunday Night Football live, this year in HD

NFLUK would like to acknowledge and apologise for the frustration and uncertainty that many fans have experienced due to the late finalisation of this year's UK television line-up and thank everyone for their patience and continued support of the NFL.  NFLUK Managing Director Alistair Kirkwood is inviting fans to send in questions for a Q and A that will explain some of the issues involved in this year's TV negotiations. Further details of that will follow soon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 10, 2012, 06:57:53 PM
Can you record programmes on the red button ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 10, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
So ESPN won't be showing MNF over here?  Free to air or not its a small step back if we can not record red button games.  Disappointed to hear this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 10, 2012, 11:19:30 PM
Will those live broadcasts work in the republic on the bbc website. It would be nice to get away from the atdhe and first row sports.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 11, 2012, 12:47:43 AM
Nope it doesn't work for republicans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
Bit of an offer this weekend for Game Pass lads this weekend. If anyone's interested.

Quote


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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 13, 2012, 01:38:37 PM
Is it handy enough to cancel after the weekend free trial ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2012, 01:46:34 PM
Dunno, I'd imagine so. These things are usually sound enough to cancel, you just send a cancellation email or whatever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 13, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
The Packers are banged up big style according to the local hacks, I thought they would lose to the  forty whiners and da bears are in town, I had breakfast this morning in a hotel and low and behold the Bears came and ate all round them, these boys are feckin massive.

I think the Pack are losing the night but they will right the ship and win 11 games this season, Woodson is learning the free safety spot and they did go up against the leagues best D in game one, the Bears now can attack through the air with the weapons they have and I think they will beat a team that is low on confidence and still trying to find it's identity.

The pack have to run the ball well to have any chance at all, 2.6 yards per carry is not going to get it done, they need to average about 4-5 to have any chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2012, 04:27:32 PM
Is this in Lambeau as well? Unusual to open with two games at home. I thought it was in Chicago, and I was picking the Bears. If it's in Lambeau I may reconsider.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 13, 2012, 04:30:53 PM
It is AZ, I have tickets to the game, box seats and I am not going near the place.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2012, 04:31:31 PM
Jaysus. I'd ate your hand off for them if I was over there :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 13, 2012, 04:40:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 13, 2012, 04:31:31 PM
Jaysus. I'd ate your hand off for them if I was over there :D

You wouldnt have to AZ, I simply give them to ye. :D

Anyhow, I donated them to a good cause, a good mate of mine here lost a leg to Cancer and then on top of that developed brain cancer and was not insured, there is a big benefit on Sunday for him but I gave the tickets to his brother and he sold them for $600.00 apiece.

If you ever want tickets to Lambeau AZ give me a weeks notice and you will have them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 13, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Raging about ESPN not showing MNF, how can I get to watch the preview show with Boomer et al
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 13, 2012, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 13, 2012, 07:54:47 PM
Raging about ESPN not showing MNF, how can I get to watch the preview show with Boomer et al

Yeah red button isn't much use when you cant record, realistically who can sit up and watch it live if you work in the morning ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 13, 2012, 08:23:37 PM
I signed up for that free trial. It won't include the monday night game. I have to cancel prior to the 17th Monday. I will get the Packers bears tonight and the vikings on early sunday before sending an e-mail to cancel.129 of the sterlings is too rich for my blood.

I can watch the packers bears tomorrow at my leisure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 13, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
After a bit of research it seems MNF is available on the BBC IPlayer, but not on tablet or mobile devices. It is also repeated on Tuesday evening on the red button, there does not seem to be a definitive time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2012, 09:23:00 PM
I signed up for the free trial as well, it looks excellent in fairness, but I'd balk at shelling out €160 or so myself. However, and this is the tempting bit, you can pay in installments of 4 x €40. Damnit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 13, 2012, 11:07:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 13, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
After a bit of research it seems MNF is available on the BBC IPlayer, but not on tablet or mobile devices. It is also repeated on Tuesday evening on the red button, there does not seem to be a definitive time.

BBC IPlayer is no good for us living in the South.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Ah lads. Cardiac Cards again! Tipping along nicely in Foxborough, where they have an appalling record, they were 20 - 9 up in the tail end of the fourth quarter. Then Brady does what he does, and suddenly the Cardinals are only 2 points up, 20-18 after stopping a 2 point conversion with 2:06 left.

Basically, they just need a first down to more or less ice it, giving it back to the Pats with about 10 seconds left, and they go ahead and impressively get that first downon two running plays, forcing the Patriots to burn their time outs. Then with just over a minute left, on third down they just need to run the ball up the gut, run the clock, safely punt it away and the game would just be a Hail Mary away from being over.

Instead they do a toss left to the young running back, who is hammered and coughs up the ball. Fumble. Turnover. Holy f**k, what an implosion. Pats had about 50 seconds, and they ran a play which went all the way to the end zone, but ended up being called back for holding.

Another couple of pass plays and running plays to get position in the middle of the field and Gostkowski had about a 30 yarder for the win with 6 seconds left. The Cardinals have a bit of a reputation for blocking kicks etc, so I wasn't completely without hope, but I couldn't believe it when he just absolutely pulled it wide left.

It says a lot when I was still nervous with 1 second left and only a knee to be taken. I expected Kolb to fumble the snap or something, but fair play, they deserved the win, and they got it. Great stuff, and 2-0 after two weeks, including an away day at 1pm on the East Coast (Arizona Body clocks would be set on 10am for that time.)

Notre Dame were convincing against Michigan State on Saturday too, to go 3-0, so a good weekend of football all around. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 11:08:06 PM
Chargers going well but Rivers starting to throw the Hail Marys. 17-3 up at HT.

2 TDs for Rosario - not familiar with him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 11:08:06 PM
Chargers going well but Rivers starting to throw the Hail Marys. 17-3 up at HT.

2 TDs for Rosario - not familiar with him.

He's playing because Antonio Gates is out with Ribs. The big sissy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 11:40:32 PM
Number 3 for Rosario.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on September 16, 2012, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Another couple of pass plays and running plays to get position in the middle of the field and Gostkowski had about a 30 yarder for the win with 6 seconds left. The Cardinals have a bit of a reputation for blocking kicks etc, so I wasn't completely without hope, but I couldn't believe it when he just absolutely pulled it wide left.

It was fairly remarkable but to be fair to Gostkowski it was actually a 42 yarder. It should have been a 32 yarder but there was a false start on the Patriots O-line on the play before. The extra 10 yards didn't help.

As a Dolphins fan this is a rare good day. Big win and the Pats beat. Jets not looking too hot... If only it was like this every week!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on September 17, 2012, 08:33:19 AM
God to see the Eagles winning another tight one - Only saw pieces of the games last night but your man Griffin looks to be the real deal from what I saw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 17, 2012, 09:04:59 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 16, 2012, 11:08:06 PM
Chargers going well but Rivers starting to throw the Hail Marys. 17-3 up at HT.

2 TDs for Rosario - not familiar with him.

He's playing because Antonio Gates is out with Ribs. The big sissy.
Who is this Ribs chap?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 17, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
Sorry smartarse. Gates was out with sore ribs. :D Fecking cost me a ton of points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 17, 2012, 11:23:27 AM
The Vikings fairly stunk the place up last night. 2 TDs in the second half of the fourth quarteris not enough. Their efforts had to be questioned. It looks like another top ten pick in the draft for the Vikings is the best they can hope for.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 17, 2012, 11:44:10 AM
Larry Fitzgerald absolutely killing 2 of my fantasy teams. Was sure he must have got injured or something but apparently not.

My otrher team (the GAABoard one) scored decently but ran into a Ballyhaise juggernaut this weekend. Even though I'm too far behind, I must say Ray Rice finishing on 99 rushing yards didn't leave me too impressed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 17, 2012, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Ah lads. Cardiac Cards again! Tipping along nicely in Foxborough, where they have an appalling record, they were 20 - 9 up in the tail end of the fourth quarter. Then Brady does what he does, and suddenly the Cardinals are only 2 points up, 20-18 after stopping a 2 point conversion with 2:06 left.

Basically, they just need a first down to more or less ice it, giving it back to the Pats with about 10 seconds left, and they go ahead and impressively get that first downon two running plays, forcing the Patriots to burn their time outs. Then with just over a minute left, on third down they just need to run the ball up the gut, run the clock, safely punt it away and the game would just be a Hail Mary away from being over.

Instead they do a toss left to the young running back, who is hammered and coughs up the ball. Fumble. Turnover. Holy f**k, what an implosion. Pats had about 50 seconds, and they ran a play which went all the way to the end zone, but ended up being called back for holding.

Another couple of pass plays and running plays to get position in the middle of the field and Gostkowski had about a 30 yarder for the win with 6 seconds left. The Cardinals have a bit of a reputation for blocking kicks etc, so I wasn't completely without hope, but I couldn't believe it when he just absolutely pulled it wide left.

It says a lot when I was still nervous with 1 second left and only a knee to be taken. I expected Kolb to fumble the snap or something, but fair play, they deserved the win, and they got it. Great stuff, and 2-0 after two weeks, including an away day at 1pm on the East Coast (Arizona Body clocks would be set on 10am for that time.)


Watched this with the young lad (in his Larry Fitz jersey) on the Sky Sports Redzone yesterday. You only get to see the exciting bits, which meant feck all coverage early on, but lots toward the end. We'd consigned ourselves to a heavy defeat before it started, but when even Kolb got a TD himself the upset looked really on.

When that fumble happened it was nearly tears. Better losing 40-10 like we'd expected than to come so close then throw it away. The field goal miss then though was all the sweeter, and we were both jumping around the living room floor. Great stuff!

AZ, has the new wide receiver Floyd got any field time? Is there any website that gives starting line-ups and details of all players that see action?

Edit: Seanie, I've only seen bits and pieces of the 2 Cardinals games, but I'd be 99% sure its not Larrys fault he's got no ball. I read an article in the off season where they were ranking the NFL quarterbacks. Kolb and Skelton were something like 38th and 40th. Quite an achievement in a 32 team league!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 17, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 17, 2012, 12:18:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Ah lads. Cardiac Cards again! Tipping along nicely in Foxborough, where they have an appalling record, they were 20 - 9 up in the tail end of the fourth quarter. Then Brady does what he does, and suddenly the Cardinals are only 2 points up, 20-18 after stopping a 2 point conversion with 2:06 left.

Basically, they just need a first down to more or less ice it, giving it back to the Pats with about 10 seconds left, and they go ahead and impressively get that first downon two running plays, forcing the Patriots to burn their time outs. Then with just over a minute left, on third down they just need to run the ball up the gut, run the clock, safely punt it away and the game would just be a Hail Mary away from being over.

Instead they do a toss left to the young running back, who is hammered and coughs up the ball. Fumble. Turnover. Holy f**k, what an implosion. Pats had about 50 seconds, and they ran a play which went all the way to the end zone, but ended up being called back for holding.

Another couple of pass plays and running plays to get position in the middle of the field and Gostkowski had about a 30 yarder for the win with 6 seconds left. The Cardinals have a bit of a reputation for blocking kicks etc, so I wasn't completely without hope, but I couldn't believe it when he just absolutely pulled it wide left.

It says a lot when I was still nervous with 1 second left and only a knee to be taken. I expected Kolb to fumble the snap or something, but fair play, they deserved the win, and they got it. Great stuff, and 2-0 after two weeks, including an away day at 1pm on the East Coast (Arizona Body clocks would be set on 10am for that time.)


Watched this with the young lad (in his Larry Fitz jersey) on the Sky Sports Redzone yesterday. You only get to see the exciting bits, which meant feck all coverage early on, but lots toward the end. We'd consigned ourselves to a heavy defeat before it started, but when even Kolb got a TD himself the upset looked really on.

When that fumble happened it was nearly tears. Better losing 40-10 like we'd expected than to come so close then throw it away. The field goal miss then though was all the sweeter, and we were both jumping around the living room floor. Great stuff!

AZ, has the new wide receiver Floyd got any field time? Is there any website that gives starting line-ups and details of all players that see action?

Edit: Seanie, I've only seen bits and pieces of the 2 Cardinals games, but I'd be 99% sure its not Larrys fault he's got no ball.

Floyd has gotten some game time alright, but limited enough. The Cardinals have a good corps of receivers with Fitz, Doucet, Roberts and Floyd, not to mention Todd Heap at TE as well. It will take Floyd a while to get in synch.

As regards MacGearailt, it isn't his fault. He's not dropping balls or anything like that, he's just not really being targetted. Two reasons for that are 1, the QB play is still not exactly Brady-esque, but 2, and more importantly, defenses are just keying in on him At times yesterday (I watched on the NFL gamepass free trial) he was bracketed by THREE defenders. Now Kurt Warner would still lob it up and Larry'd go and catch it anyway, but Kolb and Skelton don't have that trust in themselves to do that. They are mortally afraid of picks. However Larry is doing a captains part. He is attracting this attention, and still running his routes, blocking like a divil and essentially being the reason why Doucet, Heap and especially Andre Roberts are getting open. Example is the first TD yesterday, and the winner v Seattle. Inside the 10, Arizona's MO is a back corner fade to Larry to go and get it. Been doing it for years with Warner, and even various other QBs. Now opposition Ds have just bracketed him, and closed that off, but in doing so have left quick passes open to Doucet and Roberts. That = TD time.

I'd expect the double and triple coverage to ease up a little if the run game can continue to improve, and if the other WRs continue to get important catches and scores, at which time Larry will start getting a lot more targets, and a lot more catches.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 17, 2012, 12:53:31 PM
Yeah, I know its not Fitzgeralds fault but it is frustrating. Hopefully Skelton is back soon and gets the job back - he seems marginally better and certainly Fitz is more productive when he is playing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 17, 2012, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: barelegs on September 16, 2012, 11:52:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2012, 09:54:00 PM
Another couple of pass plays and running plays to get position in the middle of the field and Gostkowski had about a 30 yarder for the win with 6 seconds left. The Cardinals have a bit of a reputation for blocking kicks etc, so I wasn't completely without hope, but I couldn't believe it when he just absolutely pulled it wide left.

It was fairly remarkable but to be fair to Gostkowski it was actually a 42 yarder. It should have been a 32 yarder but there was a false start on the Patriots O-line on the play before. The extra 10 yards didn't help.

As a Dolphins fan this is a rare good day. Big win and the Pats beat. Jets not looking too hot... If only it was like this every week!

Have you got to see this seasons Hard Knocks?

Just started watching it. Fascinating behind the scenes look at the Dolphins. Chad Johnson (Ochochinco) is some eejit. Garrard very unlucky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 17, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Will try my damnedest to stay up for MNF tonight. I think we´ll get a clearer picture of where the Falcons are at this year tonight. With all due respect to the Chiefs. Sick of hearing how great the Falcons are going to be this year. I´m confident we´ll make the play-offs but I don´t know if Mike Smith has found the key to post season success. It´s not like anyone can put a finger on it. It just seems to be all about intensity and playing harder and for whatever reason the Falcons don´t find that extra gear.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 18, 2012, 12:12:23 AM
Monday night Countdown

http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/141353/1/watch-espn-nfl-countdown-show.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 18, 2012, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: thejuice on September 17, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Will try my damnedest to stay up for MNF tonight. I think we´ll get a clearer picture of where the Falcons are at this year tonight. With all due respect to the Chiefs. Sick of hearing how great the Falcons are going to be this year. I´m confident we´ll make the play-offs but I don´t know if Mike Smith has found the key to post season success. It´s not like anyone can put a finger on it. It just seems to be all about intensity and playing harder and for whatever reason the Falcons don´t find that extra gear.

Its going to be a loooonnngg night if you're still up! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 18, 2012, 03:30:30 AM
Managed to get up now. Pleasently surprised. It'll be a long night knowing manning is there. Game is never over. 3 turnovers by denver with sloppy ball handling
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 18, 2012, 03:39:08 AM
I don't remember a half of football taking so long before.  Big TD at the end of the half for Denver.  Badly needed.  After a shocking start for the Broncos offense I hope that last drive is a sign of things to come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Galwaybhoy on September 18, 2012, 03:41:36 AM
BBC are really having a laugh with this music... :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 18, 2012, 04:02:13 AM
It's a bit weird sounds like music from metal gear solid. but I guess its cheaper than paying some panelists to analyse the game.

Falcons Defence looking much better than last year. Tony Gonzalez is incredible. Some man to make catches that really aren't "there".

Denver secondary looking loose, roddy white getting open.

Feel sorry for these stand in refs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 18, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Woke up at 5 as the baby needed feeding and checked the socre on my phone - couldn't believe the game was still in progress! Was against Atlanta's D/ST in one fantasy league and lost by 3 points so Mannings 3 INT's cost me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 18, 2012, 11:17:50 AM
Was hoping Denver would win to keep the Saints alive in the NFC south.
Saints are in big trouble now and having to play Packers Broncos and Chargers in coming weeks could be out of it by half way.
Anyone else think that after the Bounty saga their defence has gone soft and almost afraid to tackle?
Stewards TD the last day was a case in point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 18, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: Rossie11 on September 18, 2012, 11:17:50 AM
Was hoping Denver would win to keep the Saints alive in the NFC south.
Saints are in big trouble now and having to play Packers Broncos and Chargers in coming weeks could be out of it by half way.
Anyone else think that after the Bounty saga their defence has gone soft and almost afraid to tackle?
Stewards TD the last day was a case in point.

Ah it's only 2 weeks Rossie. I think the Saints are in a bit of trouble alright, especially on defence, but 0-2 is hardly dead in the NFC South.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 18, 2012, 11:38:41 AM
They are "alive" AZ but some real tough games down the line.
Since 1990 only 12% of teams who started 0-2 have made the play offs..
That's a scary stat

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 18, 2012, 04:35:53 PM
That stat is rooted  in most 0-2 teams being shit and continuing to be so. Saints have issues, no question with all that happened in off  season, but  surely they have the means to go 9-5 or even 10-4 four remainder and maybe make the playoffs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 18, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
did the Giants not go 0-2 last year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 18, 2012, 07:45:03 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2012, 10:57:23 AM
Woke up at 5 as the baby needed feeding and checked the socre on my phone - couldn't believe the game was still in progress! Was against Atlanta's D/ST in one fantasy league and lost by 3 points so Mannings 3 INT's cost me.

Not often has anyone said Manning cost them, the man is fantastic..........................last night he was awful but hopefully this is a blip and not who he has been post surgery's.

Probably not as good as week one and better than week 2, I think he is still a top ten quarterback but top five is probably a stretchat this stage.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 18, 2012, 07:53:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 18, 2012, 04:44:04 PM
did the Giants not go 0-2 last year?

1-1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 02:02:07 PM
Meant to say, that Jay Cutler is some knob. It's always about him. What he did on the sideline to that lineman was out of order. And his comments afterwards. Whatever happened to winning and losing as a team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 19, 2012, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 02:02:07 PM
Meant to say, that Jay Cutler is some knob. It's always about him. What he did on the sideline to that lineman was out of order. And his comments afterwards. Whatever happened to winning and losing as a team.

Yeah, Cutler for all his talent isn't my cup of tea. To be fair he is getting lumps knocked out of him and it must be annoying. Webb is simply not good enough for any position on the O-line and defo not left tackle, facing a marauding Clay Matthews! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 02:41:28 PM
There's a lot of quarterbacks getting lumps knocked out of them that don't try and humiliate their O-Linemen in public. That's what team meetings and video is for. Jesus Kurt Warner was running for his life behind the Cardinals O-Line for years. Ben Roethlisberger had 5 turnstiles in front of him at times over the past few years. You just can't do what he (Cutler) did. He has a rep for this as well, ex team mates seem to hate him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 19, 2012, 03:01:00 PM
I agree, it's totally unacceptable to disrespect teammates in public.

As a Bears fan though I'm tired of this messy o-line. Like the last 2 years it will probably get fixed enough to get by but I'd just like to see what Cutler could do with the protection the top QB's get. His head got completely scrambled the last night, not seeing wide open guys and trying to force balls into tight areas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
The other thing is this happened at 0-3 in the game. I'd say Webb said 'f**k you so' seeing as how they went on to allow 7 sacks :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 19, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 03:03:29 PM
The other thing is this happened at 0-3 in the game. I'd say Webb said 'f**k you so' seeing as how they went on to allow 7 sacks :)

Well if he did his contract should be terminated!

I don't think this was the case. Webb was trying but he is a big, lumbering guy. Matthews was too quick and tricky for him although on a few occasions Webb should have done much better, you have to be able to get in the way an odd time! I think he's just not very good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 19, 2012, 03:20:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 19, 2012, 02:15:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2012, 02:02:07 PM
Meant to say, that Jay Cutler is some knob. It's always about him. What he did on the sideline to that lineman was out of order. And his comments afterwards. Whatever happened to winning and losing as a team.

Yeah, Cutler for all his talent isn't my cup of tea. To be fair he is getting lumps knocked out of him and it must be annoying. Webb is simply not good enough for any position on the O-line and defo not left tackle, facing a marauding Clay Matthews!

Matthews is going to destroy the single season sack record if he stays fit, he is still young and hasnt even peaked yet, the man is an animal.

Cutler is an arrogant idiot, he is always whinging and throwing his team mates under the bus and is accountable for nothing, the Packers know that they will never be a threat with a no character child like Cutler at the helm, he is a good qb but he is simply not worth it and I would say this will be his last season with the bears if and when they fail to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 10:36:57 PM
Chargers getting their arses handed to them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 23, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM

Andy Reid will be getting the boot soon I would say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 23, 2012, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM

Hold tough, the inevitable implosion is due any minute. I'm thinking a kickoff return for TD followed by a fumble return.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on September 23, 2012, 10:55:25 PM
Dolphins back to their best tonight  ::)

Give up 10 point lead- fall behind
Take the game to overtime.
Lose toss
Make Jets punt
Get in field goal range
Miss fieldgoal
Give up big play
Block Jets field goal seconds after you've just 'iced' the kicker
Watch Jets make subsequent field goal

Different season: same Dolphins  :'(

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 23, 2012, 10:57:26 PM
Quote from: barelegs on September 23, 2012, 10:55:25 PM
Dolphins back to their best tonight  ::)

Give up 10 point lead- fall behind
Take the game to overtime.
Lose toss
Make Jets punt
Get in field goal range
Miss fieldgoal
Give up big play
Block Jets field goal seconds after you've just 'iced' the kicker
Watch Jets make subsequent field goal

Different season: same Dolphins  :'(

Tannahill looks decent, with absolutely nobody worth a shit at receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on September 23, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
He's had his moments. I'm still to be convinced. He's basically got three people he can throw to Hartline, Bess and Fasano. The first two are decent slot receivers but at the minute are having to play at 1 and 2. I'll make my mind up next season on him.

Some of the play calling today was cruel. Spending the final quarter passing while up 4 while having success with the run made no sense. Defence is shaping well especially against the run.

More bright spots than I'd imagined at this stage of the season if I'm honest. The win last week got my hopes up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2012, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM

Hold tough, the inevitable implosion is due any minute. I'm thinking a kickoff return for TD followed by a fumble return.
Quote from: Minder on September 23, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM
Andy Reid will be getting the boot soon I would say.


AZ you think i've jinxd them, cant see it tonight. Reid has lost some beef and should lose his job. Some super viewing tonight plus i've just realised that skygo has redzone. only disapointment is the 49ers losing their winning record
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 23, 2012, 11:21:13 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2012, 10:46:25 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM

Hold tough, the inevitable implosion is due any minute. I'm thinking a kickoff return for TD followed by a fumble return.
Quote from: Minder on September 23, 2012, 10:44:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 10:42:54 PM
Cards looking dreamy, had then +4, dont rate the eagles, but they're on self destruct ATM
Andy Reid will be getting the boot soon I would say.


AZ you think i've jinxd them, cant see it tonight. Reid has lost some beef and should lose his job. Some super viewing tonight plus i've just realised that skygo has redzone. only disapointment is the 49ers losing their winning record

Where is Redzone on SkyGo?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
its on the SKYSPORTSXTRA that is next to and has the same billing as ESPN classic, clicked on it by mistake earlier and it was showing redzone, sweet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 23, 2012, 11:24:41 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 11:22:43 PM
its on the SKYSPORTSXTRA that is next to and has the same billing as ESPN classic, clicked on it by mistake earlier and it was showing redzone, sweet.

I am looking on IPad so mustn't be available on it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 11:32:50 PM
I have it on PC, its just before skynews
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 23, 2012, 11:34:37 PM
You need to click into a channel, open up a pop up box and scroll down the viewing. it doesn't seem to be on the TV guide
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 11:35:40 PM
Falcons look decent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 24, 2012, 12:41:15 AM
Manning is some pup, i fancy a stop here and manning to take it down
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 24, 2012, 02:10:14 AM
The Vikings looked like potential world beaters, for tonight at least. They bossed the best team in the NFl for the first two weeks for the whole game. The Vikings get wide receiver Jerome Simpson back from suspension next week and play the Lions who just can't defend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 24, 2012, 09:56:20 AM
3-0 great stuff. And no need for Cardiac Cards either!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 24, 2012, 10:16:50 AM
Meanwhile, the frustration level grows at the scab refs. I thought this was funny (and probably fine-worthy) from Patriots Linebacker Brandon Spikes.

QuotePatriots linebacker Brandon Spikes took to Twitter to express his anger with the replacement refs.

"Can someone please tell these f------ zebras foot locker called and they're needed Back at work !!!! #BreakingPoint," Spikes tweeted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 24, 2012, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 24, 2012, 10:16:50 AM
Meanwhile, the frustration level grows at the scab refs. I thought this was funny (and probably fine-worthy) from Patriots Lineba
QuotePatriots linebacker Brandon Spikes took to Twitter to express his anger with the replacement refs.

"Can someone please tell these f------ zebras foot locker called and they're needed Back at work !!!! #BreakingPoint," Spikes tweeted.

For those that didn't see it the Ravens won with a last second field goal that looked wide to me. It was a short range effort that went high over the post. That is not reviewable
Belichek went nuts and dragged one of the refs by the arm. He will get a big fine.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 24, 2012, 11:25:15 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 23, 2012, 11:35:40 PM
Falcons look decent.

Yeah, what a surprise, Matt Ryan highest ranked QB and suddenly our rubbish secondary is the best in the league. DeCoud is playing better than I thought he had in him.

Just goes to show the difference coaching staff can have on a team. Feel a bit bad for Michael Turner though, his numbers will be fairly cut down this year. But if he wins a trophy he'll hardly give a shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 25, 2012, 04:57:59 AM
Crazy finish to the GB game. It will be a long day of analysis tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2012, 05:25:15 AM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2012, 05:58:34 AM
Can't believe what I just seen.  Twitter has exploded over it.  NFL have some problems on their hands after this.  Worse again I had Green Bay backed!  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2012, 06:00:02 AM
The pass interference call on Green Bay a few plays before it was worse.  Terrible performance all night by the officials.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 25, 2012, 09:40:55 AM
They are going to ruin the season if they don't get the proper officials back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 25, 2012, 12:29:12 PM
Packers guard TJ Lang took it well, on Twitter -

@TJLang70 Got fucked by the refs. Embarrassing. Thanks nfl

@TJLang70 f**k it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 25, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2012, 05:58:34 AM
Can't believe what I just seen.  Twitter has exploded over it.  NFL have some problems on their hands after this.  Worse again I had Green Bay backed!  >:(

The NFL should just pay the refs and the problem is solved. They can easily afford it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 25, 2012, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 25, 2012, 01:53:26 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2012, 05:58:34 AM
Can't believe what I just seen.  Twitter has exploded over it.  NFL have some problems on their hands after this.  Worse again I had Green Bay backed!  >:(

The NFL should just pay the refs and the problem is solved. They can easily afford it.

I don't blame the refs at all, it is not their fault they are out there, it is the greedy billionaire owners and the City of Green Bay who are to blame,!

The commissioner is also to blame, I thought overall he was doing a good job but after the start to this season with these muppets it is clear that he is toothless as he has to report to these arrogant bastards.

The game is watchable right now only because it is fascinating to see which game will have the worst officials, the owners dont give a shite about the standard of the games because it is the biggest game in the country by far, how much money is your integrity worth?

Talk radio this morning in Green Bay is hilarious, you would think somebody died last night, these people need to get a life, they are right to be pissed but ffs. ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Stew - "the City of Green Bay" - what's that about? I admit I'm not following the whole officials saga in any depth so if I'm missing anything obvious then sorry.

As a Bears fan last night was no harm! The only thing is GB have played some pretty tough teams and will start winning and winning big soon. I suspected before the season that the Lions might struggle and it looks like they will. Then Minnesota goes and beats the 49ers! NFC North just got a lot more interesting!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mentalman on September 25, 2012, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Stew - "the City of Green Bay" - what's that about?

I think Stew's point is it's a community owned franchise, unlike the other NFL teams, it's a bit more like the socios situation at Barcelona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2012, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on September 25, 2012, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Stew - "the City of Green Bay" - what's that about?

I think Stew's point is it's a community owned franchise, unlike the other NFL teams, it's a bit more like the socios situation at Barcelona.

Yes, of course. I was missing something obvious....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 25, 2012, 11:48:21 PM
If it keeps up the players should strike back to get decent officials in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 26, 2012, 04:20:03 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2012, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: Mentalman on September 25, 2012, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2012, 05:42:35 PM
Stew - "the City of Green Bay" - what's that about?

I think Stew's point is it's a community owned franchise, unlike the other NFL teams, it's a bit more like the socios situation at Barcelona.

Yes, of course. I was missing something obvious....

No big deal Seanie, great analogy mentalman. The City of Green Bay is the only city owned based entity in the NFL, it has a vote and voted with the owners to lock out the best officials, hence my disdain for them.

I played golf this afternoon at a well heeled establishment ( I had a gift certificate) with a mate, after the round we went into the lounge and I must have seen the play of played 50 times in ten minutes on sportscenter, crazy stuff.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 26, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
The owners are falling over themselves to get a deal done for this weekend, I hope the top refs stuck it to the hoors and gave little up from what they had.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mentalman on September 26, 2012, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: stew on September 26, 2012, 10:39:30 PM
The owners are falling over themselves to get a deal done for this weekend, I hope the top refs stuck it to the hoors and gave little up from what they had.

Glad to hear it, had a feeling that would be the case especially after some of the more celebrated franchises (Packers/Pats) came out on the wrong side of crazy decisions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 27, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
Never mind the referees - whaddabout that Raiders result!!!!  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 27, 2012, 08:41:27 AM
Lockout over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 30, 2012, 08:33:50 PM
Chargers had the Chiefs well beaten but collapsing by the minute. Another TD and they'll fold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 30, 2012, 10:53:34 PM
3 up 2 winning and need the Cards to nail the Dolphins in the 2nd half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on October 01, 2012, 12:34:59 AM
Another week another overtime loss for the Dolphins  :'(

Could easily be 3-1 but we're 1-3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 01, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
Quote from: barelegs on October 01, 2012, 12:34:59 AM
Another week another overtime loss for the Dolphins  :'(

Could easily be 3-1 but we're 1-3.

That Tannehill to Hartline looks to be another Brady to Welker package, they (Dolphins) will be back solid in two years with all their top picks maturing similar to the Seahawks and Browns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 01, 2012, 01:48:03 AM
The Vikings are going from strength to strength. They beat the previously well fancied Lions  easily enough in Detriot tonight. The 49ers who the vikings beat the previous week hockeyed the Jets on the road as well.

The Falcons had a dramatic late win over the Panthers with Cam Newton fumbling to give the Falcons a late chance which Ryan took launching a pass half the length of the field to White from his own end zone to set up the winning field goal.

The Dolphins are nit really good enough and the narrow losses will help get them a better draft pixk in the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on October 01, 2012, 01:51:51 AM
The Dolphins aren't world beaters by any stretch but they've blown leads two weeks in a row late in the game before losing in overtime. Better game management and they would really have won (i.e. run the ball to run down the clock instead of throwing)

The run defence has been immense. Its something like 17 games from the Dolphins gave up 100 yards on the ground. I don't think the Cardinals got over 30. They just can't stop teams throwing on them!

Tannehill's showing promise, his decision making will improve with time, should give him a chance to win more matches. Bess had 140 yards as well tonight. The only problem for Miami is that outside of Fasano, Hartline and Bess they haven't really got too many options.

The next 10 years can't be much worse than the last 10! *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 01, 2012, 01:58:57 AM
sweet, the Cards are the Ace clutch game team atm. Backed out of backing my 49ers like a pussy after last week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 01, 2012, 09:21:45 AM
Does an O/T win count for betting purposes?


Normal service resumed this week as the Cardiac Cards returned. Last week was too straightforward, so they decided to spot the Dolphins 13 points, then when you had a chance to go ahead 8 points, they decided to throw an end zone INT, and give up an 80 yard bomb on the next play from the touchback to go behind by 7. Marched down the field then and got the game tying TD with 22 seconds left. 3 and out in the first drive of OT, but the Defense held, and forced another turnover. A couple of first downs later and Jay Feely kicked a 46 yard game winner. Crazy team, but you really get your money's worth.

Worrying outing for the defense though, as Tannehill absolutely picked them apart. They did get a few turnovers, but they gave up too many yards, and too many big plays to be sustainable for a season. That was the old MO, and it doesn't work.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 01, 2012, 09:25:26 AM
Yes overtime counts AZ.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 01, 2012, 06:24:24 PM
yes always end result, if you have say NO+4 and they tie and concede a TD in OT you're stuffed, funny that way. Cards were the only team I didn't put on the spread line and got lucky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 01, 2012, 07:29:52 PM
Brady after rushing for a TD against the Bills ;D

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:10:50 PM
 Well it was at least Cutler and Marshall made it worth while to be half asleep in work today. Still not sure about this new improved offence if any any sustained pass rush is put on Cutler. Good to see Davis put in a decent shift a tight end cause the underneath coverage short yardage is going to be needed as most teams will look to blitz the Bears offensive line. Forte still doesn't look 100% yet but I suppose that's why Michael Bush was signed. Also the Cowboys seemed to get a lot of fairly easy rushing yards especially in the first half which is a little worrying. Still can't see my beloved Bears doing any better than a playoff appearance though cause Cutler is just too inconsistent and that offensive line still looks ready to crumble at any time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2012, 11:21:48 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 02, 2012, 03:10:50 PM
Well it was at least Cutler and Marshall made it worth while to be half asleep in work today. Still not sure about this new improved offence if any any sustained pass rush is put on Cutler. Good to see Davis put in a decent shift a tight end cause the underneath coverage short yardage is going to be needed as most teams will look to blitz the Bears offensive line. Forte still doesn't look 100% yet but I suppose that's why Michael Bush was signed. Also the Cowboys seemed to get a lot of fairly easy rushing yards especially in the first half which is a little worrying. Still can't see my beloved Bears doing any better than a playoff appearance though cause Cutler is just too inconsistent and that offensive line still looks ready to crumble at any time.

I'm optimistic. The o-line is bad but not the catastrophe of the last 2 years, pre bye week. They have improved a lot following the bye weeks in 2010 and 2011 and if they can cobble it together after this years bye week da Bears could be in business.

I was a little concerned about the Defense regressing slightly this season but I think it has improved. Better, more consistent pass rush and better at the back end too, Jennings in particular.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 07, 2012, 02:57:06 AM
Great Big 10 game on atm on ESPN, Ohio State v Nebraska. Not much D going on to be honest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 07, 2012, 04:31:32 AM
Yeah, Go Bucks.  Shuck those Huskers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 07, 2012, 08:58:55 PM
RG III out injured Skins looking for a TD with 2 mins to go with a back up QB.

Falcons will be lucky to get out of this one to go 5-0. Only starting to look better since RG III went off and not by much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 07, 2012, 10:55:58 PM
In related news , the fecking Packers blow a 21-3 lead at the half and lose 30-27 with Rodgers getting sacked 5 times in the second half.

This season is ridiculous for the Packers, they are loaded for bear but blow games, the O line coach will be gone before Thanksgiving I reckon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 08, 2012, 03:11:40 AM
The Vikings are flying at the moment with a facile 30-7 win over the Titans. The games will get tougher but I expect a newer younger team to get better as the season progresses. The Vikings and Bears now lead the packers by 2.

RG3 wasn't very clever getting a concussion tonight, he ran into contact to lose yards when he could have just thrown the ball away???

The Dolphins won too?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 08, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Stew - you might have been right about da Bears not finishing above the Vikings! Still, I think they will finish above Detroit at least and will have 10+ wins so should have a good chance to get into the postseason. Defense playing great stuff - 5 td's in last 2 games (same as offense)!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mentalman on October 08, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
Quote from: stew on October 07, 2012, 10:55:58 PM
In related news , the fecking Packers blow a 21-3 lead at the half and lose 30-27 with Rodgers getting sacked 5 times in the second half.

This season is ridiculous for the Packers, they are loaded for bear but blow games, the O line coach will be gone before Thanksgiving I reckon.

Watched it on redzone alright, piss poor showing in the 2nd half letting your QB get slaughtered. not looking good for a playoff spot bar some sort of miracle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 08, 2012, 02:21:33 PM
Mental weekend of football. The pack are all over the place. Injuries everywhere. Defenses falling apart....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on October 08, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 08, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
Stew - you might have been right about da Bears not finishing above the Vikings! Still, I think they will finish above Detroit at least and will have 10+ wins so should have a good chance to get into the postseason. Defense playing great stuff - 5 td's in last 2 games (same as offense)!

Yeah the defence is on fire in terms of picks at the moment with Tillman rolling back the years. Great start for the Vikings but I think they might struggle in their division games. They gave Detroit enough chances in Ford field to win that game despite the scoreline and if they give Rogers enough chances in Lambo or Ponder fires into double coverage as much in Soldier field I couldn't see them wining either of those and division head to heads could decide the NFC north!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 09, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
Check out the Ohio State Marching Band halftime show in the Nebraska game, a tribute to video games.  And if you can't be bothered with all 15 minutes. be sure to see the horse at the 6:00 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwIP1lVF_4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: CiKe on October 09, 2012, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 09, 2012, 09:40:14 PM
Check out the Ohio State Marching Band halftime show in the Nebraska game, a tribute to video games.  And if you can't be bothered with all 15 minutes. be sure to see the horse at the 6:00 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqwIP1lVF_4

Class only thing i watched but was great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 14, 2012, 11:59:36 PM
what a 4th down by skelton
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 15, 2012, 12:03:15 AM
clutch kick, 61 yards. Come on Arizona
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 15, 2012, 12:12:52 AM
Oh
My
f**king
God
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2012, 09:26:18 AM
Arizona are bloody entertaining!

Packers back to ominous form. 6 TD's against Houston's vaunted defense? Serious.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on October 15, 2012, 09:27:18 AM
For want of anything better on the box I watched about an hour of NYY v Detroit last night on ESPN. Haven't watched baseball for years but this game flew by as the pitchers were striking virtually everyone out. Can see why they say that it is pitchers that win titles.

Went to bed with the Yankees down 3-0 and the home crowd getting ratty.

Really enjoyed what I saw. Will check online later to see how game finished up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2012, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 15, 2012, 12:12:52 AM
Oh
My
f**king
God

That's just Arizona all over. Make the 4th down, make the 61 yarder, make the clutch drive, and then miss the chip shot to win it. Not content with that, they stop the Bills handy in OT, and then proceed to throw a manky interception which translated into the game winning FG for Buffalo. In fairness the Cardiac Cards usually find a way to win those games, especially in Arizona, but you can't keep doing that to yourself.

They're certainly not boring anyway :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
Vikings v Steelers at Wembley Sep 29 2013
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 16, 2012, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 15, 2012, 09:26:18 AM
Arizona are bloody entertaining!

Packers back to ominous form. 6 TD's against Houston's vaunted defense? Serious.

Seanie................... The Texans absolutely imploded.....they set a personal record for yards given up on penalties and they shot themselves in the foot from start to finish, hopefully Rodgers will get the support he needs from the O line and they push on from there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 17, 2012, 09:00:14 AM
There will be some demand for tickets,now that the Steelers are coming.
I would imagine it will impact on ticket sales for the 49ers game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 22, 2012, 05:24:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/TjszB.jpg)

Was down in Ann Arbor, Michigan over the weekend for the Michigan vs. Michigan State game.

What an experience that was – 113,833 crammed into the place – 3rd highest attendance ever in the stadium and the 242nd game in a row with an attendance of over 100,000.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 22, 2012, 08:11:54 PM
That looks impressive Gabriel,but it wouldn't compare to an Ardboe v Moortown game at Michael Coney Park ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 23, 2012, 09:12:01 AM
Important win for da Bears puts them in a great position with two very winnable games coming up before a tough second half of the regular season. Woke at about 4.30am and it wasn't my turn so stumbled up to the TV but couldn't find the game on it - whats the story? I thought BBC had it on the red button and was going to watch the last 5 minutes. Wasn't on C4, Sky or ESPN either. Anyway - the result was all that mattered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on October 23, 2012, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2012, 09:12:01 AM
Important win for da Bears puts them in a great position with two very winnable games coming up before a tough second half of the regular season. Woke at about 4.30am and it wasn't my turn so stumbled up to the TV but couldn't find the game on it - whats the story? I thought BBC had it on the red button and was going to watch the last 5 minutes. Wasn't on C4, Sky or ESPN either. Anyway - the result was all that mattered.

It's normally on BBC on the red button but could have been just over at the time you'd got up! They don't have any analysis just the game which is a bit weird when watching and to be honest I much preferred Monday night football on ESPN. Good win with the Defence getting another take away through Urlacher. Not a great night for Cutler who only threw for 150 yards as opposed to Stafford with about 261 yards but a win is a win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on October 23, 2012, 01:01:29 PM
SF Giants into 2nd World Series in 3 years. Unbelievable combacks in both the NLDS being down 2-0 to Cincinnati and winning the series 3-2 and being down 3-1 to St Louis in the NLCS and winning the series 4-3. Detroit will certainly be favourites in the WS but this Giants team doesn't know when its beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 24, 2012, 01:25:49 PM
World Series starts tonight - would love to see the Giants win - but something tells me it'll be Detroit in 6

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
The Pats are not right, they were lucky to beat the jets and they stink. the Pack are firing on all cylinders again and the Bears still suck every time they play the Pack, plus the Packers have them at home.

The crowd I work for just bought a box at the start of the season......they expect me to attend all home games and entertain customers going forward............................. any of you feckers want to entertain my customers for 4 hours every other Sunday????   :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on October 24, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
Should be an interesting World Series, both teams have great pitching, however think the Tigers will have too much, especially given the added rest and the fact that it's virtually impossible to score runs on Verlander when he's pitching!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 24, 2012, 10:38:59 PM
Quote from: stew on October 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
The Pats are not right, they were lucky to beat the jets and they stink. the Pack are firing on all cylinders again and the Bears still suck every time they play the Pack, plus the Packers have them at home.

The crowd I work for just bought a box at the start of the season......they expect me to attend all home games and entertain customers going forward............................. any of you feckers want to entertain my customers for 4 hours every other Sunday????   :-[

The week 15 game is in Soldier Field. We'll see how it goes. To be fair, the Pack could easily be 6-1 and should be 5-2. They will take beating but I still think their lack of/weak running game will always cost them in the playoffs if they have home field. Not as easy to throw/catch with your hands falling off ya with the cold.

Anyway, is it time for you to admit you underestimated da Bears?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 24, 2012, 10:56:19 PM
Time for Stew to admit he was wrong about the vikings too. They will be 6-2 in a little over 24 hours.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 24, 2012, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 16, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
Vikings v Steelers at Wembley Sep 29 2013

I have been off the radar the last couple of weeks, are tickets on sale yet?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 24, 2012, 11:10:10 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 24, 2012, 10:59:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 16, 2012, 11:22:26 PM
Vikings v Steelers at Wembley Sep 29 2013

I have been off the radar the last couple of weeks, are tickets on sale yet?

Keep an eye on this forum

http://forum.nfluk.com/showthread.php?t=92827
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 25, 2012, 05:17:37 AM
Quote from: stringbean on October 24, 2012, 09:33:46 PM
Should be an interesting World Series, both teams have great pitching, however think the Tigers will have too much, especially given the added rest and the fact that it's virtually impossible to score runs on Verlander when he's pitching!

Oops on that. SF 8 DT 3 with Verlander on the mound and 5 runs scored on him in 4 innings.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 25, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
Pablo Sandoval is a beast. Druds obv. lol Go Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 25, 2012, 04:39:06 PM
I really hate baseball - but that was tremendous stuff last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 28, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
Interesting to see if Norv Turner keeps his job after that debacle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 29, 2012, 01:28:36 PM
The Browns defense is not too shabby especially at defensive back. What do they expect after not replacing the star receiver they lost and relying on the often injured Gates to carry the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 29, 2012, 01:56:38 PM
Nice to see Romo helping both Giants teams win yesterday!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 30, 2012, 12:11:41 AM
Whats the story with MNF? Can't get it on red button, some message saying they've cut back on red button options but stream available on website. Will that be UK only?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 30, 2012, 12:27:03 AM
Looks like its on now. Panic over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 24, 2012, 05:06:43 PM
Settling in for a L-O-N-G day of college football. It's rivalry weekend!

Go Bucks.  Beat MICH-Again.
Go Noles.  Beat Florida.  Gators taste like chicken.

Go ND.  Beat SC.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 24, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
What was Mark Sanchez thinking he was doing when he ran into that great big arse.

They say the OT got pushed back but it doesnt look like he was moving and Sanchez just ran into him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 24, 2012, 07:14:38 PM
I have $200 on the packers to lose this weekend, they are beat to shit and Matthews is out so there will be no pressure on Manning all day.

I never bet on yankee football but this is a no brainer, bet the farm boys, I am giving three points. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 24, 2012, 07:59:10 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 24, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
What was Mark Sanchez thinking he was doing when he ran into that great big arse.

They say the OT got pushed back but it doesnt look like he was moving and Sanchez just ran into him.

What are the jets thinking sticking with Sanchez at all?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 25, 2012, 05:14:12 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 24, 2012, 07:59:10 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 24, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
What was Mark Sanchez thinking he was doing when he ran into that great big arse.

They say the OT got pushed back but it doesnt look like he was moving and Sanchez just ran into him.

What are the jets thinking sticking with Sanchez at all?

They have the shoe sniffer as their coach and all he has done is flap his gums about what they are going to do and they always fall flat on their arses.

He is the worst coach I have seen in this league in 5-10 years, wasted a lot of talent.

Sanchez has been brutal and it is time foe a change.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 26, 2012, 04:47:55 AM
Good call on the Pack, Stew.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 26, 2012, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

Edit, just looking at a few sites there, appears to be a rumour about Patrick Peterson trade for Kevin Kolb.Not sure about that. I'd like someone like Kolb, but not for a 1st round pick.

Nevada's stud should be available in the second round AZ.  :)

And Kap goes to the 49ers. :)

2-0 as a starter, including lighting up a much touted Bears defence on MNF as his debut. Then into the superdome for a road win.

They'll have to take a look back at smith soon, can't keep up the "hot hand" forever?

That said the 49ers are a much more dangerous outfit when Kap is playing. Hopefully he can keep the mistakes off the board the same way Smith does.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 26, 2012, 02:30:30 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 26, 2012, 12:57:43 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on April 29, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 29, 2011, 09:22:05 AM
Delighted with Patrick Peterson. Of course the Cards need a lot more, including a QB, but they still have a chance of picking up a decent one in round 2, or else, more likely Free Agency.

Edit, just looking at a few sites there, appears to be a rumour about Patrick Peterson trade for Kevin Kolb.Not sure about that. I'd like someone like Kolb, but not for a 1st round pick.

Nevada's stud should be available in the second round AZ.  :)

And Kap goes to the 49ers. :)

2-0 as a starter, including lighting up a much touted Bears defence on MNF as his debut. Then into the superdome for a road win.

They'll have to take a look back at smith soon, can't keep up the "hot hand" forever?

That said the 49ers are a much more dangerous outfit when Kap is playing. Hopefully he can keep the mistakes off the board the same way Smith does.

Kapernick is a much better QB than Smith, he deserves the job. SF are going to take some beating this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 26, 2012, 02:50:47 PM
He certainly is more explosive on the option. If he can keep the mistakes down the way smith had learned to, then he'll definitely be a better quarterback.

It will be interesting to see how Smith reacts from this. Years of being called a bust, then the 49ers flirt with Manning and now he's benched!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 26, 2012, 05:13:11 PM
Peter King (Sports Illustrated) tweeted this -

Alex Smith since Harbaugh took over: 19-5-1, 64.2%, 7.36 YPA, plus-20 TD-Int ratio, 95.1 rating ... Stop viewing him through prism of 2007.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 26, 2012, 05:38:46 PM
That has somewhat made the decision to go with Kap recently all the more interesting. Harbaugh plays by his own rules and the remainder of the season will be interesting. Smith looked quite unhappy yesterday when the offense was playing well, and you can bet your ass that will be picked up on if its not already out there in the media.

He's a safe quarterback, in a job made easier by having an outstanding rush game. No doubt he can lead that offense very well. Kaepernick just adds a dimension or two that Smith does not seem to have.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 26, 2012, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 26, 2012, 04:47:55 AM
Good call on the Pack, Stew.

Thanks Orais, I got to watch them indoors at practice and knew the writing was on the wall when they announced the injury list, my daughter is pissed at me for betting against them but that was as sure a thing as i have ever bet on.

Giving three I made $230 bucks, not a bad days betting and I am annoyed at myself for not having the balls to drop a couple large on the Giants, but then again I am not a gambler.


The packers will be a different proposition in the playoffs, I still think they will win the division and they will beat the Giants next time around, when it really matters, I wont be betting on that one. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 26, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
Some price for the tickets to the National Title game already - starting at $1600
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 27, 2012, 03:11:13 PM
Stew - NFC North will probably come down to December 16th in Soldier Field. If da Bears can win and square the divisional series it makes it tough for the Packers to win the division. Both will be tough playoff teams though I fancy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 28, 2012, 06:07:49 PM
Jets fans not happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xGGgz5TcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xGGgz5TcI)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 28, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
Kaepernick in again for the 49ers this weekend. Smith is most likely looking for a job at the end of this season.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8687095/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-start-qb-st-louis-rams (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8687095/colin-kaepernick-san-francisco-49ers-start-qb-st-louis-rams)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 29, 2012, 09:36:50 PM
Bit harsh on Smith. Kaepernick might not be that great despite one good performance.


Looking forward to tonights game. Hope the falcons can redeem themselves after the last loss to the Saints. Just going for a lie down now so I'm not shattered for work.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 29, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
You didn't think he was good in both games Juice?

It is a bit harsh on Smith, but it's the nature of the beast I guess. Harbaugh will look like quite the twit if Kaepernick blows up in a big game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 29, 2012, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on November 29, 2012, 10:04:04 PM
You didn't think he was good in both games Juice?

It is a bit harsh on Smith, but it's the nature of the beast I guess. Harbaugh will look like quite the twit if Kaepernick blows up in a big game.

He was good alright but it's not as if Smith was stinking the place out, the opposite in fact. He obviously has the running ability that Smith doesn't, but one thing that you will find with NFL Defensive Coordinators they are not long in picking up on a quarterbacks tendencies, particularly "running quarterbacks", when they get a chance to study them (Cam Newton). Kaepernick probably still has the element of surprise, that won't last for long though.

I think every NFL head coach is looking for a Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady scenario.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on November 29, 2012, 10:16:10 PM
Yeah. No doubt that Smith was playing good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 30, 2012, 12:17:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2012, 03:11:13 PM
Stew - NFC North will probably come down to December 16th in Soldier Field. If da Bears can win and square the divisional series it makes it tough for the Packers to win the division. Both will be tough playoff teams though I fancy.

The Pack own the bears Seanie, they will be a lot healthier and I am putting the $230.00 I won on them to beat them at Soldiers Field.

Character counts for a lot, Rodgers has it and Cutler does not, I would take Rodgers all day long before I would put any faith in that w**ker Cutler.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 30, 2012, 08:54:36 AM
Quote from: stew on November 30, 2012, 12:17:07 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2012, 03:11:13 PM
Stew - NFC North will probably come down to December 16th in Soldier Field. If da Bears can win and square the divisional series it makes it tough for the Packers to win the division. Both will be tough playoff teams though I fancy.

The Pack own the bears Seanie, they will be a lot healthier and I am putting the $230.00 I won on them to beat them at Soldiers Field.

Character counts for a lot, Rodgers has it and Cutler does not, I would take Rodgers all day long before I would put any faith in that w**ker Cutler.

How would Rodgers do behind the Bears offensive line? Not much better if any I'd suggest. Look how good Matt Flynn looked in the Packers passing game, 5 td's in one game last year was it? He goes to Seattle and....loses the starting job competition to a rookie.

Cutler's body language impresses no-one but to be fair to the guy he has to work in pretty tough conditions. Even Jason Campbell, who was a serviceable enough QB for Oakland looked chronic playing for da Bears. Cutler is a bloody good player and I for one can't criticise him for expecting his linemen to protect him.

I wouldn't think that game is clearcut by any means. Pack on a good run against da Bears alright but all those wins were tight enough games. Bears due one. Keep your dollars in your pocket!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2012, 04:32:32 PM
Really scary sad news out of Kansas City this morning

LB Lavon Belcher shot himself in the head outside the practice facility this morning. There are stories he did it in front of the coaches.

He had earlier shot dead his girlfriend at their home, leaving behind a 2.5 month old baby
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 01, 2012, 07:59:49 PM
That's awful to hear.

Not the first NFL player to meet a tragic ending but I can't remember something as awful as that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 01, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
Amazed that the Chiefs game hasn't been postponed. Romeo Crennell is expected to coach from the sidelines tomorrow 24 hours after seeing one of his players blow his brains out in front of him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 01, 2012, 10:57:43 PM
Quote from: thejuice on December 01, 2012, 07:59:49 PM
That's awful to hear.

Not the first NFL player to meet a tragic ending but I can't remember something as awful as that.

Former NFL star QB Steve McNair got murder suicided by his girl freind a year or two years back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2012, 01:10:34 AM
The inevitable bump came hurdling at Kaepernick and Harbaugh this weekend when they lost to the Rams. Smith might have not lost that game, it could be said. He did throw for over 200 yards and run for another 85, so it wasn't like he had a bad game. His mistake and his safety points which he gave to the rams are there though.

Anyway, this morning this article surfaced and it's dominated radio and blogs all day. Ive yet to read a dumber piece by a journalist.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-11-28/colin-kaepernick-tattoos-49ers-qb-start-alex-smith-stats-contract-draft (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-11-28/colin-kaepernick-tattoos-49ers-qb-start-alex-smith-stats-contract-draft)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 04, 2012, 10:57:54 PM
They found Mark Sanchez' clip board that he was busily scribbling in last week  :D

(http://nfldotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/clipboard1.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 10, 2012, 09:13:28 PM
I hope those Arizona boys are happy with that performance yesterday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
I was over in Minneapolis a few weeks back, and managed to wrangle tickets for the Vikings v Lions. I would've half watched a game the odd time previously, but the experience was so good that I'd be guilty know of checking fixtures, keeping an eye on latest scores, and of course watching the games.

Top class seats too on the half way line, on the first teir. It was rememberance Sunday too, so they'd a couple of miliatry dispays etc to keep the craic going.

I was even considering heading to Wembley for the Vikings game next year, but not sure yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 10, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
I was over in Minneapolis a few weeks back, and managed to wrangle tickets for the Vikings v Lions. I would've half watched a game the odd time previously, but the experience was so good that I'd be guilty know of checking fixtures, keeping an eye on latest scores, and of course watching the games.

Top class seats too on the half way line, on the first teir. It was rememberance Sunday too, so they'd a couple of miliatry dispays etc to keep the craic going.

I was even considering heading to Wembley for the Vikings game next year, but not sure yet.

If you take a bit of time to learn the rules/intricacies of the game it is a great sport to follow.

Not just "rugby with shoulder pads and helmets" as I have heard it described.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 10, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
I was over in Minneapolis a few weeks back, and managed to wrangle tickets for the Vikings v Lions. I would've half watched a game the odd time previously, but the experience was so good that I'd be guilty know of checking fixtures, keeping an eye on latest scores, and of course watching the games.

Top class seats too on the half way line, on the first teir. It was rememberance Sunday too, so they'd a couple of miliatry dispays etc to keep the craic going.

I was even considering heading to Wembley for the Vikings game next year, but not sure yet.

If you take a bit of time to learn the rules/intricacies of the game it is a great sport to follow.

Not just "rugby with shoulder pads and helmets" as I have heard it described.

I'd know most of the rules, but it's the finer detail I'd be shabby on. Definately enough to get by and enjoy a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 10, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 10, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
I was over in Minneapolis a few weeks back, and managed to wrangle tickets for the Vikings v Lions. I would've half watched a game the odd time previously, but the experience was so good that I'd be guilty know of checking fixtures, keeping an eye on latest scores, and of course watching the games.

Top class seats too on the half way line, on the first teir. It was rememberance Sunday too, so they'd a couple of miliatry dispays etc to keep the craic going.

I was even considering heading to Wembley for the Vikings game next year, but not sure yet.

If you take a bit of time to learn the rules/intricacies of the game it is a great sport to follow.

Not just "rugby with shoulder pads and helmets" as I have heard it described.

I'd know most of the rules, but it's the finer detail I'd be shabby on. Definately enough to get by and enjoy a game.

A big help would be the commentators/analysis too, light years ahead of what you get served up watching the Premier League - "he hit it and scored".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 10, 2012, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 10, 2012, 11:32:40 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 10, 2012, 11:14:43 PM
I was over in Minneapolis a few weeks back, and managed to wrangle tickets for the Vikings v Lions. I would've half watched a game the odd time previously, but the experience was so good that I'd be guilty know of checking fixtures, keeping an eye on latest scores, and of course watching the games.

Top class seats too on the half way line, on the first teir. It was rememberance Sunday too, so they'd a couple of miliatry dispays etc to keep the craic going.

I was even considering heading to Wembley for the Vikings game next year, but not sure yet.

If you take a bit of time to learn the rules/intricacies of the game it is a great sport to follow.

Not just "rugby with shoulder pads and helmets" as I have heard it described.

I'd know most of the rules, but it's the finer detail I'd be shabby on. Definately enough to get by and enjoy a game.

A big help would be the commentators/analysis too, light years ahead of what you get served up watching the Premier League - "he hit it and scored".

100% right Minder, the commentary on american football is top class.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on December 11, 2012, 09:51:03 AM
Interestingly listening to John Giles last week he said one of the things he tried to bring into his analysis of soccer games was the level of detail John Madden used go into when he was in the States in the 70s and knew nothing about American football. He said Madden's punditry really enhanced his experience of the games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 11, 2012, 04:47:15 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 AM
100% right Minder, the commentary on american football is top class.

It does get ruined somewhat by the fact that they also have to act as mouthpieces for the sponsors of the day. Imagine Gary Neville telling you the replay you just saw was brought to you by Castrol, Burger King and Krispy Kremes, quoting each of their slogans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 11, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 AM

100% right Minder, the commentary on american football is top class.

Thats a bit much! A little John Gruden goes a long long way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
They don't do that much in fairness gallsman. Usually they say things like 'Today's Aflac question is 'What coach won .....'' or 'Tonight aerial shots have been brought to you by Snoopy 1, Metlife's blimp'.

The only time I've really noticed the overt advertising was in the soccer world cup back in 1994. 'This portion of the game is brought to you by Budweiser, King of Beers'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 11, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 AM

100% right Minder, the commentary on american football is top class.

Thats a bit much! A little John Gruden goes a long long way.

That Gruden show on ESPN where he sat down with the top Rookie QBs coming into the NFL was brilliant. Grudens QB Camp or something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 11, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
They don't do that much in fairness gallsman. Usually they say things like 'Today's Aflac question is 'What coach won .....'' or 'Tonight aerial shots have been brought to you by Snoopy 1, Metlife's blimp'.

The only time I've really noticed the overt advertising was in the soccer world cup back in 1994. 'This portion of the game is brought to you by Budweiser, King of Beers'

Even that would annoy me! Maybe it might not be quite as bad as I made out, but it's definitely something that's pretty alien over here. Obviously all big sports are heavily commercialised but I think the American ones take the piss sometimes. Everything from the coin toss to the highlights reel seems to have a sponsor!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 11, 2012, 06:23:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 11, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 AM

100% right Minder, the commentary on american football is top class.

Thats a bit much! A little John Gruden goes a long long way.

That Gruden show on ESPN where he sat down with the top Rookie QBs coming into the NFL was brilliant. Grudens QB Camp or something.

Don't forget Emmitt Smith  ;D

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iGT08DTk3NM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 12, 2012, 12:00:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 11, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
They don't do that much in fairness gallsman. Usually they say things like 'Today's Aflac question is 'What coach won .....'' or 'Tonight aerial shots have been brought to you by Snoopy 1, Metlife's blimp'.

The only time I've really noticed the overt advertising was in the soccer world cup back in 1994. 'This portion of the game is brought to you by Budweiser, King of Beers'

Even that would annoy me! Maybe it might not be quite as bad as I made out, but it's definitely something that's pretty alien over here. Obviously all big sports are heavily commercialised but I think the American ones take the piss sometimes. Everything from the coin toss to the highlights reel seems to have a sponsor!

TV time out's, how many souls do you have to sell to give the media time outs during a professional game? disgusting.

Officials time outs, more bullshit corporate greed.

American games are becoming unwatchable because of the drastic over commercialization of their games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 12, 2012, 12:05:49 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 11, 2012, 06:23:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 11, 2012, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 AM

100% right Minder, the commentary on american football is top class.

Thats a bit much! A little John Gruden goes a long long way.

That Gruden show on ESPN where he sat down with the top Rookie QBs coming into the NFL was brilliant. Grudens QB Camp or something.

Don't forget Emmitt Smith  ;D

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iGT08DTk3NM
Lol! Blowed out!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on December 13, 2012, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: stew on December 12, 2012, 12:00:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 11, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
They don't do that much in fairness gallsman. Usually they say things like 'Today's Aflac question is 'What coach won .....'' or 'Tonight aerial shots have been brought to you by Snoopy 1, Metlife's blimp'.

The only time I've really noticed the overt advertising was in the soccer world cup back in 1994. 'This portion of the game is brought to you by Budweiser, King of Beers'

Even that would annoy me! Maybe it might not be quite as bad as I made out, but it's definitely something that's pretty alien over here. Obviously all big sports are heavily commercialised but I think the American ones take the piss sometimes. Everything from the coin toss to the highlights reel seems to have a sponsor!

TV time out's, how many souls do you have to sell to give the media time outs during a professional game? disgusting.

Officials time outs, more bullshit corporate greed.

American games are becoming unwatchable because of the drastic over commercialization of their games.
Would that not be American TV, not just American games, being unwatchable?

Rented a house in the US for a couple of weeks in the summer, and in the evening time sitting down to watch a movie on TV was a disaster. Would go on for hours because of all the ad breaks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on December 13, 2012, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 13, 2012, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: stew on December 12, 2012, 12:00:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 11, 2012, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 11, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
They don't do that much in fairness gallsman. Usually they say things like 'Today's Aflac question is 'What coach won .....'' or 'Tonight aerial shots have been brought to you by Snoopy 1, Metlife's blimp'.

The only time I've really noticed the overt advertising was in the soccer world cup back in 1994. 'This portion of the game is brought to you by Budweiser, King of Beers'

Even that would annoy me! Maybe it might not be quite as bad as I made out, but it's definitely something that's pretty alien over here. Obviously all big sports are heavily commercialised but I think the American ones take the piss sometimes. Everything from the coin toss to the highlights reel seems to have a sponsor!

TV time out's, how many souls do you have to sell to give the media time outs during a professional game? disgusting.

Officials time outs, more bullshit corporate greed.

American games are becoming unwatchable because of the drastic over commercialization of their games.
Would that not be American TV, not just American games, being unwatchable?

Rented a house in the US for a couple of weeks in the summer, and in the evening time sitting down to watch a movie on TV was a disaster. Would go on for hours because of all the ad breaks

God bless the DVR
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 16, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
Some strange calls in the bears game from the refs fucked my bet up. Bears fans must pull their hair out at the cnut Cutler, useless is not the word.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 16, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Great win for the Falcons. We have to take that form into the play-offs. I think that win makes us top seed.


Adrian Peterson is only 300yds away from Eric Dickerson's record. Some performance considering he's just back from major surgery.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 16, 2012, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 16, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
Some strange calls in the bears game from the refs fucked my bet up. Bears fans must pull their hair out at the cnut Cutler, useless is not the word.

It might help the man if A. he had more than one buck to throw to and B..........the buck he does throw to is smart enough to run the right routes, that said, he is an unlikeable, pouty bastid!

The pack had that game won three times and near blew the fecker, simply not good enough.

I have tickets for the Mike McCarthy show this week, should be interesting, dinner, drinks and the chance to listen to his rationale for almost shitting the bed with boneheaded play calling!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 16, 2012, 11:30:20 PM
A new low for the Chargers tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on December 17, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
Dallas OT win - I thought you had to score a TD on your first posssion to win immediately? Dallas score a FG and win on their first drive???

What's the story?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 17, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
once the ball is intercepted its classed as a 2nd possession
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 17, 2012, 09:15:33 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on December 17, 2012, 12:55:19 AM
Dallas OT win - I thought you had to score a TD on your first posssion to win immediately? Dallas score a FG and win on their first drive???

What's the story?

Not exactly. The rule is that each team must have the opportunity to score, unless the first team scores a TD. If the Steelers turned the ball over, then they essentially failed in their opportunity to score, so the Cowboys only had to score a field goal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 16, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
Some strange calls in the bears game from the refs fucked my bet up. Bears fans must pull their hair out at the cnut Cutler, useless is not the word.

Bears were robbed by the refs in the end. Disgracefully one-sided calls involving Jeffery on at least 3 occasions.

As for Cutler I think he deserves a break. The Sky pundits said "the difference was the 2 QB's" but I think that's bull. The difference was the two offensive lines plus Rodgers has more reliable receiving options as Stew has said.

It was a better performance from da Bears all in all and gives me hope they can pick up wins on the road to get into the playoffs. AZ won't be as fired up next week and Detroit looked terrible last night. Would be some disaster to not make playoffs after starting 7-1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 17, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 16, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
Some strange calls in the bears game from the refs fucked my bet up. Bears fans must pull their hair out at the cnut Cutler, useless is not the word.

Bears were robbed by the refs in the end. Disgracefully one-sided calls involving Jeffery on at least 3 occasions.

As for Cutler I think he deserves a break. The Sky pundits said "the difference was the 2 QB's" but I think that's bull. The difference was the two offensive lines plus Rodgers has more reliable receiving options as Stew has said.

It was a better performance from da Bears all in all and gives me hope they can pick up wins on the road to get into the playoffs. AZ won't be as fired up next week and Detroit looked terrible last night. Would be some disaster to not make playoffs after starting 7-1.

Yeah there was a few harsh calls but the real problem lies in having only 90 yards offence in the game. I do think Cutler does a good job with what he has to throw too. Apart from Marshall he has nobody i.e no tight end cause Kellen Davis has to block most of the time ,  Jeffrey and Johnny Knox just aren't good enough and Hester is essentially a punt returner! The play calling on offence isn't brilliant either but again this is probably dictated by having such crap protection for the offensive line. In fairness to Rogers if you give him only a tiny amount of protection he is brilliant but I thought the Bears D played excellent again and Tillman must have the record for forced strips of the ball by now. Oh the joys of being a Bears fan :'(.

Greenbay should go far but I think the lack of a running game and some crazy calls in special teams will probably cost them a Conference title. The Bears are in trouble now with their crappy head to head divisional record and could lose out to the Vikings if they turn over Greenbay at home. Even if they do get into the playoffs I doubt they'll go far with the Seahawks, the 49ers , the Packers and one of Washington or Dallas my favourites for the NFC at the moment. I'm probably being a bit harsh on the Falcons but there is something unbalanced about them to me at the moment but they are right in the mix too and will probably prove me wrong this year!

Great to see Adrian Peterson back in the groove after his injury problems and it would be some achievement for him to beat Dickersons record but remember Eric Dickerson had one less game(16) to set the record and Dickerson also broke OJ's record in 15 games, the same amount OJ played to set his record!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Peterson will only play 16 games this regular season. There were no bye weeks when Dickerson did it but frankly I think this is the greatest season by a RB regardless of what happens in the last two games. Simply incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2012, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Peterson will only play 16 games this regular season. There were no bye weeks when Dickerson did it but frankly I think this is the greatest season by a RB regardless of what happens in the last two games. Simply incredible.

Just to put into perspective the season he is having, in the last 8 games he has rushed for 1313 yards. (The most in NFL history over an 8 game period)


Most running backs would consider that an excellent season over 16 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 17, 2012, 02:31:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 17, 2012, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
Peterson will only play 16 games this regular season. There were no bye weeks when Dickerson did it but frankly I think this is the greatest season by a RB regardless of what happens in the last two games. Simply incredible.

Just to put into perspective the season he is having, in the last 8 games he has rushed for 1313 yards. (The most in NFL history over an 8 game period)


Most running backs would consider that an excellent season over 16 games.

All I can say is wow. That must surely put him in the Jim Brown/ The Juice/Sweetness Walter Payton bracket of all time greatest running backs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 17, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Factor in that he's coming back from an injury that most people thought would seriously degrade his performance, and it's even more remarkable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2012, 03:16:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 17, 2012, 02:39:28 PM
Factor in that he's coming back from an injury that most people thought would seriously degrade his performance, and it's even more remarkable.

I heard something the other day that was interesting from Peterson, he said he prefers it when teams put 8 or 9 players in the box because if he breaks it he is gone, as there are no safeties or linebackers to get past.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 17, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Yeah, I heard that too, but to be honest I put it down to reverse psychology. :) I'd say a 4 Wide set against a team playing nickel would get his eyes wide too in fairness :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 04:17:59 PM
It's ok getting close to him but getting him down is another thing. His power, strength and determination are something else but then to have such ridiculous acceleration and sustained speed as well - just awesome.

Can't beleive I didn't take a chance on him in at least one fantasy league - was convinced it couldn't be done in a tough league like the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 17, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
So: AP for MVP? Or Peyton "returning from 4 neck surgeries" Manning who has revitalized the Broncos?

Coffee time talk over here on first word.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 17, 2012, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 17, 2012, 11:32:52 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2012, 11:01:39 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 16, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
Some strange calls in the bears game from the refs fucked my bet up. Bears fans must pull their hair out at the cnut Cutler, useless is not the word.

Bears were robbed by the refs in the end. Disgracefully one-sided calls involving Jeffery on at least 3 occasions.

As for Cutler I think he deserves a break. The Sky pundits said "the difference was the 2 QB's" but I think that's bull. The difference was the two offensive lines plus Rodgers has more reliable receiving options as Stew has said.

It was a better performance from da Bears all in all and gives me hope they can pick up wins on the road to get into the playoffs. AZ won't be as fired up next week and Detroit looked terrible last night. Would be some disaster to not make playoffs after starting 7-1.

Yeah there was a few harsh calls but the real problem lies in having only 90 yards offence in the game. I do think Cutler does a good job with what he has to throw too. Apart from Marshall he has nobody i.e no tight end cause Kellen Davis has to block most of the time ,  Jeffrey and Johnny Knox just aren't good enough and Hester is essentially a punt returner! The play calling on offence isn't brilliant either but again this is probably dictated by having such crap protection for the offensive line. In fairness to Rogers if you give him only a tiny amount of protection he is brilliant but I thought the Bears D played excellent again and Tillman must have the record for forced strips of the ball by now. Oh the joys of being a Bears fan :'(.

Greenbay should go far but I think the lack of a running game and some crazy calls in special teams will probably cost them a Conference title. The Bears are in trouble now with their crappy head to head divisional record and could lose out to the Vikings if they turn over Greenbay at home. Even if they do get into the playoffs I doubt they'll go far with the Seahawks, the 49ers , the Packers and one of Washington or Dallas my favourites for the NFC at the moment. I'm probably being a bit harsh on the Falcons but there is something unbalanced about them to me at the moment but they are right in the mix too and will probably prove me wrong this year!

Great to see Adrian Peterson back in the groove after his injury problems and it would be some achievement for him to beat Dickersons record but remember Eric Dickerson had one less game(16) to set the record and Dickerson also broke OJ's record in 15 games, the same amount OJ played to set his record!!!


The bears should not have been in that game at all at all by the end of the 3rd quarter, as for the calls, that is shite, the Packers got screwed twice by the refs with the same muppet the offender on both plays, the Pack should have been out of sight but for the crappy play calling, McCarthy is getting too cute for his woen good.

Crosby is a hell of a kicker but he is gone between the ears and wont make the ned of the season, they have to bring someone in or they will be done early in the postseason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 17, 2012, 11:58:37 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 17, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
So: AP for MVP? Or Peyton "returning from 4 neck surgeries" Manning who has revitalized the Broncos?

Coffee time talk over here on first word.

Peterson for me, if he breaks the record it will be a disgrace if  he doesn't. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 18, 2012, 02:52:25 PM
Can the Jets sink any lower? Struggling against the worst defence in the league, they're gifted the ball on the Titans 25 yard line in the last minute from a shockingly bad punt, and Sanchez (after 4 interceptions) fumbles a low snap on the very first play!!

And what the f**k was Soprano ay spending in Tebow at a point when Sanchez was actually doing (relatively) all right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 23, 2012, 02:16:57 AM
Monday Night Football on the RED button on the beeb now for any night hawks, Falcons/Lions, not much riding on it but a good game so far
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on December 23, 2012, 08:08:50 AM
Wanted to stay up for it but the office party took its toll on me and I nodded off. I think the Falcons now have home field advantage now for the NFC. It hasn't been much of an advantage previously but this year seems different. Smith seems to know that they have to start peaking now and they look like they are starting to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 23, 2012, 01:57:31 PM
See Calvin Johnson broke the regular season receiving record last night, held by Jerry Rice. Johnson a special player but outside of Stafford the Lions have very little else. There are some very special players playing in the NFL at the minute who are certain hall of famers and legends in the making
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2012, 12:45:59 AM
So Peterson finished 9 yards short of the rushing record, thought he was gonna smash it earlier in the game, he just ran out of time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 31, 2012, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 31, 2012, 12:45:59 AM
So Peterson finished 9 yards short of the rushing record, thought he was gonna smash it earlier in the game, he just ran out of time.

How far short of the end zone was his last drive stopped at? In other words if he had of got in for the TD would it have taken him past the record?

Vikings reface GB next weekend again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on December 31, 2012, 02:58:40 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 31, 2012, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 31, 2012, 12:45:59 AM
So Peterson finished 9 yards short of the rushing record, thought he was gonna smash it earlier in the game, he just ran out of time.

How far short of the end zone was his last drive stopped at? In other words if he had of got in for the TD would it have taken him past the record?

Vikings reface GB next weekend again.

Yes had he have gotten to end zone he would have broken record by about 4 yards. Some season for him. Mind you if Goddell gets his way the records will all be reset in 2 years anyway with the extra games.

Would imagine GB will be too strong at home next week but you got to be in it to win it etc. hope Peterson gets the MVP he deserves now too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on December 31, 2012, 08:45:37 AM
Seattle can be had at 14/1 for SB............

Can beat anyone on their day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 31, 2012, 02:58:40 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on December 31, 2012, 01:43:23 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 31, 2012, 12:45:59 AM
So Peterson finished 9 yards short of the rushing record, thought he was gonna smash it earlier in the game, he just ran out of time.

How far short of the end zone was his last drive stopped at? In other words if he had of got in for the TD would it have taken him past the record?

Vikings reface GB next weekend again.

Yes had he have gotten to end zone he would have broken record by about 4 yards. Some season for him. Mind you if Goddell gets his way the records will all be reset in 2 years anyway with the extra games.

Would imagine GB will be too strong at home next week but you got to be in it to win it etc. hope Peterson gets the MVP he deserves now too.

Yeah it was a 29 yard field goal that won it so he must have got to the 11 yd line, so if he was able to take it in he would have broken the record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on December 31, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
That was a fantastic match between the Vikings and Packers. Delighted for the Vikings that they squezzed into the playoffs, Peterson was awesome, but the QB did his stuff too.

Though its hard to see them repeating the dose next week in Green Bay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2012, 06:42:27 PM
Some bit of firing of Head Coaches today

Whisenhunt - Cardinals
Reid - Eagles
Smith - Bears
Gailey - Bills
Shurmur - Browns
Crennel - Chiefs
Turner - Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 31, 2012, 06:46:28 PM
They call it Black Monday. Pity about Whiz but he's mucked up the QB situation too badly, for someone who is supposed to be an offensive coach. Sad to see Andy Reid run out of road in Philly and also probably the end of the road altogether for Norv.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 31, 2012, 06:50:44 PM
A handful of GMs got shown the door too. None were vikings who saved their season in the last few weeks with some big wins. Peterson came up short of Dickersons total but still had 2000+ yards rushing.

The vikings and packers will go at it again next week. It will be a close game I think?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 31, 2012, 07:01:00 PM
A bit harsh on Lovie in particular. The Bears have been as good as you can expect of a team with as poor an offensive line and only one receiver could be the past few years. I don't think changing coaches makes it any easier to fix the problems with the Bears and their defence, which is already ageing, is going to suffer particularly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bootboy on December 31, 2012, 07:33:27 PM
Thought Lovie would have stayed, getting rid of Mike Tice may have been a better solution. Only one playoff appearance in the last six years, albeit with injuries to Cutler the last two years, ultimately cost him. Surprised to see Jim Schwartz still employed?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 31, 2012, 07:41:55 PM
The locals seemed to have fallen out of love with Norv a long time ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 31, 2012, 08:23:53 PM
Could Andy Reid actually go to the BEARs ::), most commentator seem pretty sure he'll get a job somewhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2012, 09:34:30 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 31, 2012, 08:23:53 PM
Could Andy Reid actually go to the BEARs ::), most commentator seem pretty sure he'll get a job somewhere.

He will get a job somewhere alright, he had probably outstayed his welcome in Philly. Lovie Smith is probably the only one that could have any beef with getting fired, but being a head coach in the NFL is a rough oul business, well paid but very little job security.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 01, 2013, 03:14:44 AM
Knapp, Hoffman and Pollack gone in Oakland  :D :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 01, 2013, 04:27:34 PM
Lovie can argue he has been harshly treated but the obvious o-line problem has been there for a long time and went un-fixed. I think at times the play calling on offense attimes was terrible. They were overly cautious and Mike Tice surely should have got the bullet before now.

Terrible how the season played out for the Bears. I think a couple of worse teams than them made the playoffs. The defense was brilliant this year but is aging at at times that showed late on in games.

Stew - turns out you were right. Bears did finish 3rd in NFC North.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 01, 2013, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 31, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
That was a fantastic match between the Vikings and Packers. Delighted for the Vikings that they squezzed into the playoffs, Peterson was awesome, but the QB did his stuff too.

Though its hard to see them repeating the dose next week in Green Bay

Green Bay will beat them going away, I think a 14 point win at least for the Pack, the queens are not used to playing in the brutal cold and the pack will stop Peterson and keep him to under 110 yards, he also has a propensity to cough up the ball.

Seanie, I was right about the Bears..........................Just.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Quote from: stew on January 01, 2013, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 31, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
That was a fantastic match between the Vikings and Packers. Delighted for the Vikings that they squezzed into the playoffs, Peterson was awesome, but the QB did his stuff too.

Though its hard to see them repeating the dose next week in Green Bay

Green Bay will beat them going away, I think a 14 point win at least for the Pack, the queens are not used to playing in the brutal cold and the pack will stop Peterson and keep him to under 110 yards, he also has a propensity to cough up the ball.

Seanie, I was right about the Bears..........................Just.

2 lost fumbles all season and Packers are only 17th against the rush, the only way Peterson doesn't put up well over a 100 yds is if Vikings get behind early and abandon the run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 02, 2013, 11:25:08 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 01, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
Quote from: stew on January 01, 2013, 10:07:22 PM
Quote from: Hound on December 31, 2012, 01:37:07 PM
That was a fantastic match between the Vikings and Packers. Delighted for the Vikings that they squezzed into the playoffs, Peterson was awesome, but the QB did his stuff too.

Though its hard to see them repeating the dose next week in Green Bay

Green Bay will beat them going away, I think a 14 point win at least for the Pack, the queens are not used to playing in the brutal cold and the pack will stop Peterson and keep him to under 110 yards, he also has a propensity to cough up the ball.

Seanie, I was right about the Bears..........................Just.

2 lost fumbles all season and Packers are only 17th against the rush, the only way Peterson doesn't put up well over a 100 yds is if Vikings get behind early and abandon the run.

Not a hope the Vikings win this game and I'll be astonished if they keep it close. Packers know the Vikes are a worse team than the Bears too  :-X and even though I don't think the Bears would beat the Pack either with Urlacher back and rested they'd put it up to them and would be well used to frigid conditions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 02, 2013, 07:42:18 PM
watch for this kid in a few years

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W26Dcns1Mxg
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 03, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
Can someone recommend  somewhere to watch the superbowl in Los Angeles?

We'll be there the weekend of the game and need to head to the airport straight afterwards. Might have to go easy on the booze but not adverse to stuffing my face like the locals.

Cheers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2013, 09:29:20 PM
Predictions for the weekend -

Cincinnati @ Houston - Houston

Minnesota @ Green Bay - Green Bay

Indianapolis @ Baltimore - Baltimore

Seattle @ Washington - Seattle


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 04, 2013, 09:30:44 PM
Andy Reid in at the Chiefs already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2013, 09:49:26 PM
Predictions for the weekend -

Cincinnati @ Houston - Cincinnati

Minnesota @ Green Bay - Green Bay

Indianapolis @ Baltimore - Indianapolis

Seattle @ Washington - Washington
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 04, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 04, 2013, 09:29:20 PM
Predictions for the weekend -

Cincinnati @ Houston - Houston

Minnesota @ Green Bay - Green Bay

Indianapolis @ Baltimore - Baltimore

Seattle @ Washington - Seattle
I would agree with that. If RG III was healthy I think the Redskins take it but he is obviously not running like he can and Seattle are picking up steam at the perfect time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 04, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
Packers, Ravens, Texans and Redskins to win.

Seahawks or even the vikings could cause an upset.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 04, 2013, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 04, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
Packers, Ravens, Texans and Redskins to win.

Seahawks or even the vikings could cause an upset.

Seahawks are favourites I think. They were earlier in the week anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2013, 11:56:35 PM
Looks like Oregon HC Chip Kelly is taking the Browns job.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 05, 2013, 06:07:19 AM
Could be, Minder, but after a 7-hour interview he still wants to speak to the Eagles and Bills, so we'll see.  If so, we'll a more mobile QB than Weedon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2013, 09:42:12 AM
I will go for Houston, Baltimore, Green Bay (by 20) and Seattle. Most dodgy pick there is Houston who aren't playing as well now as earlier in the season. I am not sure Cincy can get ovwer the line though. Similar feelings about the Indy/Baltimore game. Just think Indy are shorter of talent all round. Green Bay to beat the Vikings is a lock. Seattle's defense should be the difference in the final tie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2013, 11:45:59 AM
Quote from: thejuice on January 03, 2013, 01:07:42 PM
Can someone recommend  somewhere to watch the superbowl in Los Angeles?

We'll be there the weekend of the game and need to head to the airport straight afterwards. Might have to go easy on the booze but not adverse to stuffing my face like the locals.

Cheers.

I watched NFL Playoffs in ESPNZone in New York one time and it was good auld craic. Loads of TVs, Bit of roaring and shouting etc. There is an ESPN Zone in LA as well, so that might be worth checking out for the big one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2013, 11:51:43 PM
Ponder inactive for Vikings, Joe Webb to start. Could help Peterson (not that he needs it) as Webb can run like the wind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 06, 2013, 03:20:39 AM
Great performance from Green Bay but Vikings have been poor. Ponder a huge loss IMO. Not a flashy qb but steady enough with the lack of weapons Vikings have.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 06, 2013, 12:10:05 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 06, 2013, 03:20:39 AM
Great performance from Green Bay but Vikings have been poor. Ponder a huge loss IMO. Not a flashy qb but steady enough with the lack of weapons Vikings have.

Wow. What an amazing turnaround in performance in a week.  ::)

Go 'niners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 06, 2013, 02:59:04 PM
Vikings are out but still a good year for them. A big improvement over last years three wins. Ponder was a massive loss before the game and they were never going to win without him.

The Texans won as expected.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2013, 03:46:19 PM
Good game between the Seahawks and Redskins last night, but Mike Shanahan wants a slap in the gob for letting RGIII suffer through that injury. When I saw his knee just buckle altogether I thought he'd done his ACL. It would be a shame if Shanahan has just caused a very promising career to hit a bump with a serious injury.

All the more so since Kirk Cousins, the Rookie backup is a very adequate performer, and showed that already when Griffin went down first. He's no RGIII, but he was better than the RGIII that was on display last night. That was about RG1.75

Ravens just too much for Indy, but I thought Luck was decent in a tough environment for him. RayRay gets to keep on keepin' on for one more week.

Some draft class for this year in fairness with RGIII, Luck, Cousins, Tannehill and Wilson. The Cards would take any one of them right now, but there's nothing remotely as good coming out this year. Barkley at USC would have been a hot prospect, but has been poor enough this season. Geno Smith at West Virginia might actually be the best of them, but he's a poor man's Griffin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
I think Ray may be finished? I watched an interview saying what a way to go out on home soil.... i thik thats why they put him in for the last offensive play as the FB, QB took the knee, Ray did his dance and that was it I think....

Seahawks were deserving winners against a beat up redskins team. I'm hoping they go all the way - would be a great Cinderella story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 07, 2013, 04:09:42 PM
Would love to see the Seahawks go all the way too, was at a game in Seattle versus the Cowboys a few years ago...unbelievable atmosphere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
I think Ray may be finished? I watched an interview saying what a way to go out on home soil.... i thik thats why they put him in for the last offensive play as the FB, QB took the knee, Ray did his dance and that was it I think....

He announced his retirement last week
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 04:29:29 PM
Big night tonight with Notre Dame going against Alabama for the National title. Would be great if they could win – Bama are heavily favoured though (-10 points is the spread)

Hard to believe this undefeated season started in Dublin
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
I think Ray may be finished? I watched an interview saying what a way to go out on home soil.... i thik thats why they put him in for the last offensive play as the FB, QB took the knee, Ray did his dance and that was it I think....

He announced his retirement last week
I know he did but AZ was implying that he would continue on in the playoffs and I don't think he will....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2013, 05:32:38 PM
he had 13 tackles y'day- no matter what thats his last home game. Those Baltimore folks take their Football very seriously, why would he not play?

As for the ND Bama Game tonight  9.5 is the spread with a 40.5 for the over under. Not expecting it to be pretty, but with that D, ND could pull it off...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 07, 2013, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
Ray did his dance and that was it I think....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiMbtlNdIWM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiMbtlNdIWM)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 07, 2013, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
I think Ray may be finished? I watched an interview saying what a way to go out on home soil.... i thik thats why they put him in for the last offensive play as the FB, QB took the knee, Ray did his dance and that was it I think....

He announced his retirement last week
I know he did but AZ was implying that he would continue on in the playoffs and I don't think he will....

Last home game - saying goodbye to the fans in Baltimore. If he doesn't line up in Denver next week I'll be shocked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2013, 07:39:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 07, 2013, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 07, 2013, 04:06:46 PM
I think Ray may be finished? I watched an interview saying what a way to go out on home soil.... i thik thats why they put him in for the last offensive play as the FB, QB took the knee, Ray did his dance and that was it I think....

He announced his retirement last week
I know he did but AZ was implying that he would continue on in the playoffs and I don't think he will....

Last home game - saying goodbye to the fans in Baltimore. If he doesn't line up in Denver next week I'll be shocked.

Exactly gallsman. There's no way he'd stop playing in the middle of a playoff run. That was just his goodbye to Baltimore, because no matter who wins between Houston and the Patriots, the AFC game won't be back there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 09:12:32 PM
Sources are saying RG3 could be out 14-18 months  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 08, 2013, 02:25:20 AM
At the moment, ND taking it on the chin and on several other sensitive body parts. 21-0 Alabama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MasterShake on January 08, 2013, 03:07:35 AM
Men agin boys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 08, 2013, 05:18:02 AM
The Tide are some kind of incredible. Surely now among the greatest dynasties to every play the game and something tells me Saban isn't done yet.

I spent a while in Alabama and to say the state is football mad would be like saying Kerrymen like to play a bit gaelic, it's a combination of excellent coaching and culture defining passion that's led the state to four consquective Coaches' Trophies.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2013, 10:53:23 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2013, 09:12:32 PM
Sources are saying RG3 could be out 14-18 months  :o

How could that be the case?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 08, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
RGIII has reported tears to ACL and MCL. Not sure how long that sidelines him for and who's decision it was for him to play but a sad loss to the franchise if he is out for as long as some have reported.

Irish were hammered last night. Couldn't believe it. Didn't expect them to win but to take a beating like that was hard to watch.
Bama are some set up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2013, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 08, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
RGIII has reported tears to ACL and MCL. Not sure how long that sidelines him for and who's decision it was for him to play but a sad loss to the franchise if he is out for as long as some have reported.

Irish were hammered last night. Couldn't believe it. Didn't expect them to win but to take a beating like that was hard to watch.
Bama are some set up.

That being the case I'd say he has phoned Adrian Peterson already and if he hasn't he needs to.

As for the responsibility for him getting injured - remember Jay Cutler against Green Bay a couple of years back in the NFC Championship game. Got whipped for not playing on. People can't have it both ways.....

Read an article on the ND/'bama game and playoff in College football. God they really should abandon this BCS crap now and have proper playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 08, 2013, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2013, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 08, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
RGIII has reported tears to ACL and MCL. Not sure how long that sidelines him for and who's decision it was for him to play but a sad loss to the franchise if he is out for as long as some have reported.

Irish were hammered last night. Couldn't believe it. Didn't expect them to win but to take a beating like that was hard to watch.
Bama are some set up.

That being the case I'd say he has phoned Adrian Peterson already and if he hasn't he needs to.

As for the responsibility for him getting injured - remember Jay Cutler against Green Bay a couple of years back in the NFC Championship game. Got whipped for not playing on. People can't have it both ways.....

Read an article on the ND/'bama game and playoff in College football. God they really should abandon this BCS crap now and have proper playoffs.
#

Already planned by 2014, keep up with the news!  ;)

It wouldn't have mattered this year or in any of the last seven years anyways. The SEC teams just are a class apart and the best teams in it invariably are the best teams in America.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 08, 2013, 05:38:32 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2013, 05:12:56 PM

Read an article on the ND/'bama game and playoff in College football. God they really should abandon this BCS crap now and have proper playoffs.
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Alot of people reckon there already is a playoff is place now, the SEC title game.

Painful to watch ND getting pounded like that as they're not that bad but still not good enough to win. They game got to them and a couple of early calls went against them which Alabama took advantage of. The ND defense missed tackles they would normally have made, look at Lacy's 1st TD - walked past Te'o and the rest of the defense. The fumbled punt call against ND in the first quarter was a big one against ND. If that had gone their way (and it should) then they would have been in scoring position, instead Alabama marched down the field and made it 14-0 instead of potentially 7-7 which would have help settle ND.
Don't rate A.J McCarron as a QB but was funny last night when Brent Musberger started to talk about his girlfriend when the cameras we're on her, was close to being creepy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 08, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
that game last night probably cost Manti Te'o millions and possibly a long pro career. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 08, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
So, 'Bama won, which makes, let me see, The Ohio State University the only unbeaten team this year. Hmmm...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 08, 2013, 06:33:44 PM
Quote.  that game last night probably cost Manti Te'o millions and possibly a long pro career.   

Might be the best thing for his career in the long run.

Will still be 1st round, just lower down and all that unreasonable 'next Ray Lewis' hype will be tempered a bit. One bad game doesn't make him a bad player. The combine results might take on more significance now though.....

Now if the Raiders could trade down and still pick him up  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2013, 07:22:49 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 08, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
So, 'Bama won, which makes, let me see, The Ohio State University the only unbeaten team this year. Hmmm...

And how did they fare in their bowl game? Oh wait ............
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 08, 2013, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 08, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
that game last night probably cost Manti Te'o millions and possibly a long pro career.

Surely you're not serious?

He'll still be a top 10 or 15 pick or indeed higher if Rex gets his way. Star rookies no longer get huge contracts by being drafted high so it's barely cost him a dollar. The senior bowl is still to come anyways and that and Manti's leadership and consistent excellence will count for far more than being beat by perhaps the greatest dynasty college football has ever seen.

Nothing in college gives any player a 'long pro career'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2013, 09:53:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2013, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2013, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 08, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
RGIII has reported tears to ACL and MCL. Not sure how long that sidelines him for and who's decision it was for him to play but a sad loss to the franchise if he is out for as long as some have reported.

Irish were hammered last night. Couldn't believe it. Didn't expect them to win but to take a beating like that was hard to watch.
Bama are some set up.

That being the case I'd say he has phoned Adrian Peterson already and if he hasn't he needs to.

As for the responsibility for him getting injured - remember Jay Cutler against Green Bay a couple of years back in the NFC Championship game. Got whipped for not playing on. People can't have it both ways.....

Read an article on the ND/'bama game and playoff in College football. God they really should abandon this BCS crap now and have proper playoffs.
#

Already planned by 2014, keep up with the news!  ;)

It wouldn't have mattered this year or in any of the last seven years anyways. The SEC teams just are a class apart and the best teams in it invariably are the best teams in America.

Err, Iknow a 4 team playoff is in place for 2014 but why wait that long and why limit it to 4 teams? 8 would be better. This thing of voting for the best team is rubbish as was proved by 'bama's demolition of ND.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 09, 2013, 02:42:33 PM
RG111 will be back for the start of the season, he has the worlds best kneww surgeon on the case and they are saying that 6-8 months is the timeframe.

The pack are going to win this weekend, they are going to be hard to stop at this stage.

Hope the Pats take care of business and dont lay another egg in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 10, 2013, 03:49:06 PM
QuoteThe 2011 Heisman Trophy winner, one of the top first-year players in the National Football League this season, underwent reconstructive surgery on his right knee to repair torn lateral and anterior cruciate ligaments suffered in Sunday's wildcard playoff loss to Seattle.

"Robert Griffin III had successful knee surgery early this morning," his doctor, James Andrews, said in a statement. "He had a direct repair of his LCL and a re-do of his previous ACL reconstruction.

"We expect a full recovery and it is everybody's hope and belief that due to Robert's high motivation, he will be ready for the 2013 season."

The surgery was deemed necessary after Andrews discovered a complete tear of the patellar graft that was used to repair Griffin's torn ACL when he was at Baylor in 2009.

Griffin reinjured the knee in the first quarter of the 24-14 loss to the Seahawks but remained in the game until reinjuring it in the fourth quarter.

"The goal of his treatment is to give him the best opportunity for a long professional career," said Andrews.

Griffin thanked his fans for their "prayers and support" in a twitter message early on Wednesday.

"I love God, my family, my team, the fans, & I love this game. See you guys next season," he wrote.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
This is RG3's second ACL tear, remember. He'll probably be back early next season at worst but there's absolutely no way he'll be 100% until far later, perhaps as late as the 2014 season. After two ACLs and a LCL too you worry about it happening again because his career will start to be written off by people.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 10, 2013, 11:46:22 PM
This weekend I predict

Falcons beat Seahawks

Broncos beat Ravens

Patriots beat Texans

Packers beat 49ers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 11, 2013, 12:06:10 PM
Odds on the weekends games

Broncos 2/9 Ravens 7/2.     H'cap  Broncos -9.5pts both teams 10/11
Pats 1/5  Texans 15/4         H'cap   Pats -9.5pts  both teams 10/11
49ers 4/6 Packers 6/5         H'cap 49ers -3pts  both teams 10/11
Falcons 4/6 Seahawks 5/4  H'cap Falcons -3pts  both teams 10/11
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
This week I'll go for Denver, New England, San Francisco and Seattle. Just have a feeling one of the home favourites gets done and it might just be the Falcons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2013, 04:57:49 PM
I will go for -

Denver to win, Baltimore to beat the spread of 9.5
Green Bay by less than 5.
New England by quite a lot
Atlanta by 10.

Atlanta should win but if they perform as they usually do in the playoffs they will be out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 05:06:16 PM
I'm going Ravens, I think their auld dog for the hard road act has one more kick in it.
I also like the niners at home, but I'm nervous about Kapernick, so I might say Green Bay.
Patriots to beat the Texans
Seattle to beat Atlanta. Seattle might well be the 2012/13 Cardinals. Except with a Defense.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
Seattle are a way better quantifiable side than that Cardinals team. Plenty fancy them to go on a run too. Peter Caroll has built the makings of a fantastic team and Wilson and the passing game is only getting better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2013, 05:17:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
Seattle are a way better quantifiable side than that Cardinals team. Plenty fancy them to go on a run too. Peter Caroll has built the makings of a fantastic team and Wilson and the passing game is only getting better.

A way better quatifiable team? What does that mean? :D

I do agree that they are better balanced team. Carroll has a great D, and his offense is good enough. The Cardinals of 2009 had a great Offense and a Defense that couldn't stop a cough.

I meant that they may be the Wildcard that goes to the Superbowl. I could have picked a few teams as precedent in fairness.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 11, 2013, 07:46:45 PM
The Broncos, Patriots in the AFC and the Falcons and Packers in the NFC look good this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 11, 2013, 07:57:25 PM
Seattle for the upset!
Big game for Lynch and the D to step up and overturn some plays
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2013, 03:23:49 PM
I mean that compared to the Cardinals when they entered the Playoffs that year the Seahawks more battleproven and demostrating the ability to beat even top teams on their day. The Cardinals entered those Playoffs almost as a joke, having been humilated by the Patriots only a week or two earlier and coming from one of the silky softest divisions the NFL has thrown up in recent memory.

Turned out they had much more in the tank than anyone thought given how well they went even the next season but compared to the form the Seahawks have shown this year they're entering the playoffs with a far more proven team by any standard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bootboy on January 12, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
Fancy Green Bay and Atlanta in the NFC. Although I expect Denver and New England to win, I also think both games will be closer than most think and would take both to cover the 9.5 points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 13, 2013, 12:44:58 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2013, 05:13:46 PM
Seattle are a way better quantifiable side than that Cardinals team. Plenty fancy them to go on a run too. Peter Caroll has built the makings of a fantastic team and Wilson and the passing game is only getting better.

Pete Carroll is a durtbag, cheating bastid who is out of his depth, I cannot abide the man.


I think the packers will beat San Fran by ten the night but I didnt have the stones to bet on them in part because Rodgers has the flu (allegedly)

I have two tickets waiting for me if the Pack make the NFC Championship game and I scored two free flights plus digs for the weekend, I seriously hope the Pack get er done the night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2013, 01:08:25 AM
Some game  - Ravens won't lie down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 01:23:41 AM
Great ol game. Don´t mind who wins, just enjoying it.

Feel like Manning will get it going on the next drive. The lads look freezing out there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 13, 2013, 01:37:50 AM
Play calling by BR is crazy. Rice left mid, Rice right mid. Going nowhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 01:52:07 AM
great finish,

so Ray Lewis' last season goes one more step.

want to sleep but the next game already looks good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 13, 2013, 01:53:40 AM
Instant classic.
Delighted Ravens done it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2013, 01:54:03 AM
Great game, Baltimore just found a way to get it done, but that was a really poor decision from manning for the interception.

SF Green Bay is good already too!

Hope the Nevada kid gets it done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 13, 2013, 02:23:01 AM
The Pack will get er done, just bet three hundy at 5/4 that the pack win, they have Rodgers, a former frisco fan at the helm and Rodgers feels disrespected by the whiners, great theater.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2013, 02:33:03 AM
Certainly looks like Rodgers is a Frisco fan with that throw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2013, 02:34:29 AM
How disappointed were you that the 49ers didn't draft you?

Not as disappointed as they will be that they didn't draft me.


And the guy they did draft? Sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2013, 02:45:05 AM
He's still the best QB in the league for me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 13, 2013, 03:23:49 AM
Also wasnt Mike McCarthy involved with the 49ers and heavily involved in the decision to go for Smith over Rodgers, OC i think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 13, 2013, 03:34:20 AM
broncos lost the game on 2 major mistakes before the poor pass by Manning. The choice to go for the 52yr field goal when 21 - 14 up coming up to half time which was missed and the ravens responded with a late touchdown to level. This was a mistake, plus the coverage in the last 30secs of normal time was terrible to allow the 70 touchdown pass with th game over. Thats he best game i seen Joe Flacco play cause hes normally hot and cold. Overall i dont think the ravens are a great team, and the winner of New England, Texans, will be to strong for them. One of the greatest games i ever seen though, although america`s version of Alan Hansen will highlight bad defending on top of some favorable ref calls for the ravens, Roll on the 49ers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 13, 2013, 04:16:58 AM
Stew I wish you'd have kept your powder dry, I know AZOffaly has never rated Kaepernick that highly, but it was his night in SF.  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2013, 09:48:29 AM
The fudge packers were fairly destroyed in that second half. Chokers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 13, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Quote. Pete Carroll is a durtbag, cheating bastid who is out of his depth, I cannot abide the man. 

Is this based on the USC Reggie Bush incident??

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Fair Cop Puck. I have been hard on Kapernick and I think Alex Smith got a raw enough old deal there, but Alex Smith would not have made the plays Kapernick did last night. He looked excellent so fair play to him. I still have doubts about him in this league, but he threw the ball a lot better than I gave him credit for last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 13, 2013, 05:00:02 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on January 13, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Quote. Pete Carroll is a durtbag, cheating bastid who is out of his depth, I cannot abide the man. 

Is this based on the USC Reggie Bush incident??

Not just that, he has been caught cheating on multiple occasions in College ball and he was a turd when he stunk it up with the Pats.

More recently, he ran around like a man who had just won the superbowl after his team lost to The Packers but won because the refs effed it up, he has no shame and no class.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 06:40:43 PM
FALCONS!!!!

This is it. 10-0 Tony Gonzales!!!

Have this running on my laptop with the speakers up. the crowd noise is unreal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 13, 2013, 07:03:17 PM
13-0 to the falcons, nothing from Wilson so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 07:05:53 PM
Getting no pressure on him though. Our Defence isn't looking that solid
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 07:12:23 PM
However since my last post................... :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 13, 2013, 07:12:52 PM
1 yard and you don't give it to your go to guy???? Twice????

Vaunted Seattle D is nowhere tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2013, 07:13:52 PM
NFC Championship game should be a great one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 08:35:56 PM
f**king slipping!!!!!  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
Juice, do you have a particular connection to the Falcons?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 13, 2013, 10:37:30 PM
Not really, just some friends from Atlanta who are falcons and Georgia fans. So I adopted them. Before that I was just a fan of the game. It's more fun to have a team to follow.

We were blessed today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2013, 10:43:16 PM
Well, congrats, Juice.  As they say, snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2013, 11:21:33 AM
Was gutted for Seattle, really hoped and thought they'd do it. Atlanta at long last grew a pair just in time. Will be some game next week.

Alex Smith is just a guy. His stats were good but he doesn't have the X-Factor for want of a better term. Kaepernick has it. No matter how good your defense is the top team will find ways to score on you so you need to be able to do a few different things yourself. Delighted to see the Pack's old failings coming back to haunt them. Very overrated side.

Can't see Baltimore taking down the Pats but didn't see them beating Denver either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 14, 2013, 05:07:32 PM
Great nights entertainment but Lord Jaysus those breaks annoy the shite ouuta me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2013, 05:11:44 PM
Going over with a few lads to the Jags/49ers game in October. The Steelers/Vikings game is too close to All-Ireland weekend and a wedding so had to plump for the less attractive matchup but looking forward to it nonetheless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 14, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Fair Cop Puck. I have been hard on Kapernick and I think Alex Smith got a raw enough old deal there, but Alex Smith would not have made the plays Kapernick did last night. He looked excellent so fair play to him. I still have doubts about him in this league, but he threw the ball a lot better than I gave him credit for last night.

Ah I'm just pulling your chain. Although I would say he is far from the finished article - I wonder why you might still have doubts about his ability in the league? I know we had a bit of craic back in the 2010 heisman run in, but this is a kid who threw, and ran, for 1000+ yards in 3 successive seasons. I think he will keep improving, and if he can reduce the errors he will be a major QB in the league in coming years. A much more explosive option than AS.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 14, 2013, 05:52:14 PM
I'd like to see the 49ers do it this year. Can't bring myself to cheer for the Patriots or the Falcons after beating the Hawks so I'll have to cheer on me auld mate Eamonn's team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2013, 12:32:14 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 14, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Fair Cop Puck. I have been hard on Kapernick and I think Alex Smith got a raw enough old deal there, but Alex Smith would not have made the plays Kapernick did last night. He looked excellent so fair play to him. I still have doubts about him in this league, but he threw the ball a lot better than I gave him credit for last night.

Ah I'm just pulling your chain. Although I would say he is far from the finished article - I wonder why you might still have doubts about his ability in the league? I know we had a bit of craic back in the 2010 heisman run in, but this is a kid who threw, and ran, for 1000+ yards in 3 successive seasons. I think he will keep improving, and if he can reduce the errors he will be a major QB in the league in coming years. A much more explosive option than AS.

Main doubts I would have are his durability. He looks like a long, lean, athletic type and he runs like a gazelle. Unfortunately there's a lot of lions in the long grass in the NFL and I'd wonder if he might take a beating.

His throwing mechanism looked great to me the other night, his height helps there and he threw lovely spirals with a quick release. I was surprised by that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 15, 2013, 12:36:44 AM
I'd like to see him take a bit of the flatness off some of his short passes - those could be a bit more easily cut out - and with his height there's no real need for it. His long ball is impressive, and considering he threw a 95mph fast ball in college, my concern is he's going to bust some fingers. He really hurt Randy Moss with a ball he fired at him during the MNF game vs the Bears. All in all, I think some of his bad throws come from throwing the thing too hard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2013, 02:04:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce-QT7MGSE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce-QT7MGSE)

;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bootboy on January 16, 2013, 06:32:43 PM
Chip Kelly to the Eagles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 16, 2013, 06:45:51 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2013, 02:04:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce-QT7MGSE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zce-QT7MGSE)

;D
Orange peanut..... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2013, 09:46:02 PM
That's a bit fucked up about Manti Teos "dead" girlfriend !

http://m.deadspin.com/5976517/manti-teos-dead-girlfriend-the-most-heartbreaking-and-inspirational-story-of-the-college-football-season-is-a-hoax
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on January 16, 2013, 10:52:52 PM
What a crazy story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 17, 2013, 09:31:57 AM
Crazy altogether. Part of me thinks this doesn't add up but then I think it's just nuts enough that it could be true that Te'o wasn't part of the hoax.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on January 17, 2013, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 17, 2013, 09:31:57 AM
Crazy altogether. Part of me thinks this doesn't add up but then I think it's just nuts enough that it could be true that Te'o wasn't part of the hoax.
Hard to believe he wasn't in on it. But I'd imagine it'll come out shortly as it looks like they know who the joker is.

So he's either very thick for falling for this for over a year, and a pretty nasty manipulative person who thinks everyone else is thick!

I think the last mock draft I read in the Bleacher Report during the week had him being pick no.7 this year, heading to AZ!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on January 17, 2013, 01:45:27 PM
Anyone see this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hMMRcT-jFc

And all the practising seems to have paid off,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2259512/Havard-Rugland-NFL-Youtube-kicker-invited-second-trial-American-football-team.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 17, 2013, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on January 17, 2013, 01:45:27 PM
Anyone see this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hMMRcT-jFc

And all the practising seems to have paid off,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2259512/Havard-Rugland-NFL-Youtube-kicker-invited-second-trial-American-football-team.html

Impressive though I think a lot of his kicks are a little on the low side. Could be blocked?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GAA_Talk on January 17, 2013, 03:33:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 17, 2013, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: GAA_Talk on January 17, 2013, 01:45:27 PM
Anyone see this yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hMMRcT-jFc

And all the practising seems to have paid off,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2259512/Havard-Rugland-NFL-Youtube-kicker-invited-second-trial-American-football-team.html

Impressive though I think a lot of his kicks are a little on the low side. Could be blocked?

I think it's more the accuracy and distance that has impressed them. He claims he can kick a field goal from about 65 yards. Still good going getting the trial from the video even if it doesn't work out for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 17, 2013, 04:24:53 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 08, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
that game last night probably cost Manti Te'o millions and possibly a long pro career.

He's really having a banner year...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 17, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
Teo should be judged for his on field deeds not his love life.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2013, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 17, 2013, 10:36:20 PM
Teo should be judged for his on field deeds not his love life.

If he participated in a hoax concerning a dead girlfriend to stir up publicity he deserves every piece of judgment her gets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
Absolutely. He is either a silly young man to be duped like that, or else he is a cynical, manipulative p***k.

I'm inclined to think he thought this person was real, but in no way considered her his 'girlfriend'. Probably an online flirtation as much as anything. Then when she 'died' it probably came out or was miscommunicated by someone that she was his girlfriend, and he seems to have been happy enough to go with this. This is the part I think was cynical. I'm willing to believe he allowed this to propogate because it cast him as a very sympathetic figure and a hero to the Notre Dame cause.

Where I think he crossed the line was when he found out it was all a hoax, apparently, by his own statement, on December 6th at the ESPN awards ceremony. Yet 2 days later he mentions her death when speaking about how good the ND coaches have been to him, and also how she would have advised him to believe in God etc.

So to answer my own question, unfortunately he may have been both. Stupid to fall for the fake online stuff, and cynical enough to use it to his advantage when he thought she had died and others labelled her his girlfriend.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 20, 2013, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 14, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Fair Cop Puck. I have been hard on Kapernick and I think Alex Smith got a raw enough old deal there, but Alex Smith would not have made the plays Kapernick did last night. He looked excellent so fair play to him. I still have doubts about him in this league, but he threw the ball a lot better than I gave him credit for last night.

Ah I'm just pulling your chain. Although I would say he is far from the finished article - I wonder why you might still have doubts about his ability in the league? I know we had a bit of craic back in the 2010 heisman run in, but this is a kid who threw, and ran, for 1000+ yards in 3 successive seasons. I think he will keep improving, and if he can reduce the errors he will be a major QB in the league in coming years. A much more explosive option than AS.


I missed the san fran v's Greenbay last week didn't realise Kapernick ran for 184 yards scored 2 touchdowns and threw 2 others as well untill i saw some highlights during the week . He was unreal and is lightening fast, he ran past the greenbay defence like they weren't there. Really looking forward to tonights matches would like to see Atlanta and Baltimore get through to the superbowl mainly because of Gonzalez and Lewis .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 20, 2013, 08:18:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2013, 02:55:03 PM
Absolutely. He is either a silly young man to be duped like that, or else he is a cynical, manipulative p***k.

I'm inclined to think he thought this person was real, but in no way considered her his 'girlfriend'. Probably an online flirtation as much as anything. Then when she 'died' it probably came out or was miscommunicated by someone that she was his girlfriend, and he seems to have been happy enough to go with this. This is the part I think was cynical. I'm willing to believe he allowed this to propogate because it cast him as a very sympathetic figure and a hero to the Notre Dame cause.

Where I think he crossed the line was when he found out it was all a hoax, apparently, by his own statement, on December 6th at the ESPN awards ceremony. Yet 2 days later he mentions her death when speaking about how good the ND coaches have been to him, and also how she would have advised him to believe in God etc.



So to answer my own question, unfortunately he may have been both. Stupid to fall for the fake online stuff, and cynical enough to use it to his advantage when he thought she had died and others labelled her his girlfriend.




I think he is full of shite, no one, and I mean no one, is that stupid, I listened to the Rome show and I admit he was very convincing, now i think he is a sociopath who needs publicity to get where he wants to go in life.

Right now I wouldnt believe a word he say's, that said, he is a 21 year old kid who needs to grow up.

Finally, I wish him well and hope he gets his shit together.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 20, 2013, 11:03:21 PM
Go Niners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2013, 11:23:55 PM
Atlanta blew a 20 point lead last week, a 17 point one here (and got away with two turnovers - both awful from Ryan). Didn't deserve to get to the SB. Niners held up well and were very composed after going do far behind so early. Think caption came up at end of the first showing Julio Jones had 100 yards to SF's 1!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 21, 2013, 03:20:45 AM
It a great story, 2 brothers coaching opposing teams in the Superbowl!
Pats were very poor tonight, and to be fair, the Ravens are flying at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 21, 2013, 01:12:12 PM
Interesting scenario alright re the brothers. Niners favourites I presume?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2013, 04:21:01 PM
Niners are 5 point favourites
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2013, 05:07:10 PM
Delighted for the two winning sides. I remember Jim Harbaugh from his Chicago days when he was a decent QB in a team that was good but not good enough to revisit the glory of '85/6. It's an incredible story. Normally if your brother won the SB you'd be  delighted but it will a bad day for whoever loses. Think it could be a very tight battle. Fancied the 'niners from a long way out but with the run Baltimore is on...who knows?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 21, 2013, 05:49:36 PM
Shameful second half (again) by the Falcons. Niners there for the taking.

Hope Baltimore go on and win it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2013, 06:50:34 PM
What happened the 2nd Half with New England, went to bed at half time, it looked like they would run away with it, bad mistake with a late time out for the field goal in the 1st Half when an early time out would have given another throw for Brady. 49ers would need to up it abit, they be favourites but seem to be slow starters
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 21, 2013, 09:24:46 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 20, 2013, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 14, 2013, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Fair Cop Puck. I have been hard on Kapernick and I think Alex Smith got a raw enough old deal there, but Alex Smith would not have made the plays Kapernick did last night. He looked excellent so fair play to him. I still have doubts about him in this league, but he threw the ball a lot better than I gave him credit for last night.

Ah I'm just pulling your chain. Although I would say he is far from the finished article - I wonder why you might still have doubts about his ability in the league? I know we had a bit of craic back in the 2010 heisman run in, but this is a kid who threw, and ran, for 1000+ yards in 3 successive seasons. I think he will keep improving, and if he can reduce the errors he will be a major QB in the league in coming years. A much more explosive option than AS.


I missed the san fran v's Greenbay last week didn't realise Kapernick ran for 184 yards scored 2 touchdowns and threw 2 others as well untill i saw some highlights during the week . He was unreal and is lightening fast, he ran past the greenbay defence like they weren't there. Really looking forward to tonights matches would like to see Atlanta and Baltimore get through to the superbowl mainly because of Gonzalez and Lewis .

Feckit, Pats fall apart and choke away another SB opportunity.

The hoodie might well call it a day in NE, he could get any job he wants and his salary would be immense, if I was him I would look at it, Brady is heading into his mid thirties and banging at least one Supermodel, he looked weak kneed in the second half of that game.  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
Wes Welkers wife doesn't like Ray Lewis too much it seems  ;). I didn't realise anything about the murder trial  I wasn't following American Football back in the nineties . 




In AFC Championship Game loss to the Ravens, Patriots wide receiver Wes Welker had eight catches for 117 yards and a touchdown. Looking solely at the box score, you'd figure it was a good outing. But Welker, whose dropped pass in last year's Super Bowl left the door open for a Giants comeback, had two drops Sunday night, the biggest coming early in the third quarter.

The Ravens scored on their next offensive possession and went on to outscore New England 21-0 in the second half.


After the game, Welker's wife, Anna Burns Welker, took to Facebook to support her husband -- and take a few shots at Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, who will retire after the Super Bowl (via the Baltimore Sun).


"Proud of my husband and the Pats," Welker wrote on her Facebook page. "By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis' Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!"

Then Welker did what people in such situations invariably do: Apologize for their momentary lapse in judgment.

"I'm deeply sorry for my recent post on Facebook," she said in a statement sent to Larry Brown Sports. "I let the competitiveness of the game and the comments people were making about a team I dearly love get the best of me.

"My actions were emotional and irrational and I sincerely apologize to Ray Lewis and anyone affected by my comment after yesterday's game," she continued. "It is such an accomplishment for any team to make it to the NFL playoffs, and the momentary frustration I felt should not overshadow the accomplishments of both of these amazing teams."

After the Pats lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl last year, Tom Brady's wife, Gisele Bundchen, was outspoken about how the game unfolded -- and Welker's role in the outcome.

"You (have) to catch the ball when you're supposed to catch the ball," she snapped at heckling Giants fans shortly after the final whistle. "My husband cannot (bleeping) throw the ball and catch the ball at the same time. I can't believe they dropped the ball so many times."

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
she needs to learn to keep her trap shut
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 22, 2013, 08:09:41 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on January 22, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
please go to Ray Lewis' Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!"
one thing factually wrong with that, Lewis never married- thats 6 kids with 4 women married to none...

And as for the whole media throng gathered around his praying after the game- bollocks to it. Never a fan of people throwing religion in your face.

Buying off a murder charge and settling civil charges seems to be the way to go for rich people...

edit- just for the record, Mrs Welker is a former Miss Hooters...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 22, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
she needs to learn to keep her trap shut

No doubt a point that his good self has hammered home since the post.

On Ray Lewis - always admired his determination never to be beaten - but I am begining to tire of this crying nonsense after the games. Thankfully there's only one game left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2013, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 22, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
she needs to learn to keep her trap shut

No doubt a point that his good self has hammered home since the post.

On Ray Lewis - always admired his determination never to be beaten - but I am begining to tire of this crying nonsense after the games. Thankfully there's only one game left.

Me too. No need for that. He's supposed to be a man's man FFS, a leader. Once in a blue moon is acceptable but I think it was very contrived after the Patriots game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2013, 01:04:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2013, 10:55:26 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 22, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2013, 03:20:56 PM
she needs to learn to keep her trap shut

No doubt a point that his good self has hammered home since the post.

On Ray Lewis - always admired his determination never to be beaten - but I am begining to tire of this crying nonsense after the games. Thankfully there's only one game left.

Me too. No need for that. He's supposed to be a man's man FFS, a leader. Once in a blue moon is acceptable but I think it was very contrived after the Patriots game.

Deadspin last week.......

Patriots (-9) 27, Ravens 24: Ugh, these two again. I hope a f**king asteroid lands at midfield. I don't want the Pats to win. I REALLY don't want Ray Lewis to win. Ray Lewis is the f**king worst. I bet he hides a knife in that stupid arm brace of his. Here's what Lewis said about the Jacoby Jones's miracle TD at the end of Ravens-Broncos:

I can only tell you what I shared with (Joe Flacco)... I just told him God told me to come just do what I was supposed to do. And I just came and put my hands on (Flacco) and I just told him to go do what you do. And for that ball to drop into (Jones') hands with thirty seconds left, how else can you draw that up?

Got all that? God talks to Ray, Ray puts his MAGIC GOD HANDS on Joe Flacco, God causes Rahim Moore to blow his coverage, God then places the ball in Jacoby Jones's hands, Ravens tie the game. How ELSE would God draw it up? Did you really think that Ray Lewis's unsurpassed leadership skills and access to God's private hotline didn't factor into that play?

Ray Lewis is a fraud and a camera whore. I guarantee you half his teammates tuned him out six years ago. He's gonna spend all next year giving pep talks to teams on ESPN Countdown and it will suck dirty balls.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 27, 2013, 05:27:07 PM
I tried to watch "Ray Lewis - A Football Life" once and got through about 5 minutes. "Ray Lewis - Me and God " would have been a more accurate title. The God stuff is annoying to us but I suppose it's a cultural difference. We believe that religion should be a fairly personal and private thing. The Americans love to tell you about their love of God and all he does for them, even though you never asked - fair enough.  I don't really believe in an all-powerful creator myself but if I did I might want to declare my infinite love and gratitude to every friend, acquaintance, camera and microphone i could find.

Any Superbowl thoughts? Anything can happen on the big day but the San Fran offence should have too many weapons for the Ravens. Kaepernick, Gore, Crabtree, Davis etc. It's near impossible to stop them especially with Kaepernick's speed when he takes off and all the confusion they can create with play actions as a result. The Ravens are playing great but I think Flacco and the defense have played above themselves to get this far. If the 49ers get a good start I'd fancy them to win well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2013, 11:28:43 PM
Keys sang well, some opening at these games. New Orleans looking a lot better
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2013, 11:30:40 PM
Yes, it was important she sang well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2013, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 03, 2013, 11:30:40 PM
Yes, it was important she sang well.

And looked well, I'm only interested in the wardrobe malfunctions at half time.

Will record it head to bed (haltime only)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2013, 01:34:14 AM
thats all she wrote, G i hate Baltimore, more ray lewis crying, christ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 04, 2013, 01:37:40 AM
Demolition job. To sleep.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MasterShake on February 04, 2013, 01:44:52 AM
Lights out...literally.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2013, 01:46:23 AM
mastershake u beat me to it damn lol
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 04, 2013, 01:56:00 AM
Quote from FB: "is Bane going to appear now"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MasterShake on February 04, 2013, 02:37:59 AM
Game on again here. The 49ers D has arrived.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 04, 2013, 03:45:49 AM
What. A. Game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 04, 2013, 04:16:50 AM
I thought the biggest surprise of the night was bringing the replacement refs from the start of the season in for the last two minutes of the Super Bowl.

when the 2 big things about the game are the power going off and a blatant blown call to win the game for the 9ers that's pretty much an epic nfl fail.

And that's from someone with no horse in the race, would be livid if I was as 49ers fan.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 04, 2013, 08:40:32 AM
I must say the faux empathy displayed by having those kids sing at the start really annoyed me but then I'm a cynical old shite really. Have it taped to watch tonight but from the radio this morning heganboy is right re the calls
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2013, 09:00:49 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 04, 2013, 04:16:50 AM
I thought the biggest surprise of the night was bringing the replacement refs from the start of the season in for the last two minutes of the Super Bowl.

when the 2 big things about the game are the power going off and a blatant blown call to win the game for the 9ers that's pretty much an epic nfl fail.

And that's from someone with no horse in the race, would be livid if I was as 49ers fan.

Read this about a month ago and wondered if we would see a balls up -

http://www.footballzebras.com/2012/12/30/6035/

Playoff officials won't be best officials

Source: Jerome Boger to be Super Bowl referee

Hochuli, Steratore apparently shut out of postseason

In the first three weeks of the regular season, the NFL put an assorted group of officials on the field with questionable qualifications and tried to pass them off as professional caliber. That was a miserable failure. The league now wants to put otherwise unqualified officials in the Super Bowl, and thinks that no one will notice.


The standard has been, with a few additional criteria, that the highest ranking official in each position gets a Super Bowl assignment and runners-up go to the Conference Championship. Rankings are determined by evaluations of every single play and scores on written tests. Professionalism, maintaining the pace of the game, decisiveness, and physical fitness can also affect one's ranking.

According to two former NFL officials, the league office intends on having Jerome Boger officiate Super Bowl XLVII. Boger's season has not impressed even the casual fan this season. Just last week, Boger was pushed around, physically and figuratively, by Panthers quarterback Cam Newton. He "misspoke" over the microphone, according to a post-game interview, and meant to assess Newton with a non-ejectable foul, rather than one he announced that is a certain ejection. If he is that indecisive and unable to assert himself, even if it means throwing a quarterback out of the game, how will he manage such a high profile game?

Boger is relatively inexperienced in postseason officiating, especially in the context of such a high profile assignment; in the six years he was eligible for the playoffs, Boger has worked only three games. To put Boger in charge of a Super Bowl crew would require the NFL to change their qualification criteria. NFL vice president of football communications Michael Signora told me that is not the case:

There is no change to the Super Bowl assignment system.  In order for an official at any position to be eligible for the Super Bowl, he must have at least five years of NFL experience and either a conference championship game assignment or a playoff assignment in the Wild Card or Divisional round in three of the past five years.

If that "3-of-5″ provision is unfamiliar to you, it's because it's not been openly discussed in past years, but we understand that provision has been in effect for all positions except the referee position. If that provision is extended to the "white hat" position, Boger still doesn't qualify. In the past five postseasons, Boger has only worked on the field in the 2007 and 2009 Divisional Playoffs. (He also was assigned as an alternate in some of those off years.)

Merit system apparently discarded. To further bury the merit system used for postseason assignments, a former official said that there are officials on the Super Bowl roster who have failed written rules tests. Also, the supposed frontrunners will be sidelined for the playoffs.

"Ed Hochuli and Gene Steratore are not assigned to the playoffs," an officiating source said. Hochuli has been assigned to the playoffs every year he's been eligible since 1991, except for one. Steratore has been widely considered to be getting a Conference Championship game or Super Bowl assignment this season, based upon his on-field performance.

The assignments have not been released, and the NFL's policy is to not release assignments for any game prior to day of kickoff. Officials generally learn of their assignment following their Week 17 game. It is unclear how the assignments were leaked to the current officials, as my sources declined to discuss that. They also acknowledge that the NFL could change some of the assignments.

Ray Anderson, the league's outgoing executive vice president of football operations, apparently influenced the selection of postseason assignments. Carl Johnson, the vice president of officiating, will also be leaving at the end of the season. Typically, the assignments would be under the jurisdiction of Johnson, not Anderson.

One former official said the current officials he spoke with are not happy with the playoff assignment situation. He added, "the ones who work really hard and have very few 'downgrades' [wrong or missed calls] are being told, 'You don't get a playoff game'? That just doesn't seem right to me."



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: MasterShake on February 04, 2013, 09:22:33 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 04, 2013, 04:16:50 AM
I thought the biggest surprise of the night was bringing the replacement refs from the start of the season in for the last two minutes of the Super Bowl.

when the 2 big things about the game are the power going off and a blatant blown call to win the game for the 9ers that's pretty much an epic nfl fail.

And that's from someone with no horse in the race, would be livid if I was as 49ers fan.

Spot on HB. Didn't give a damn who won, but 49ers were shortchanged badly I felt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 04, 2013, 09:36:45 AM
Quote.  Posted by: MasterShake
« on: Today at 09:22:33 AM » Insert Quote
Quote from: heganboy on Today at 04:16:50 AM
I thought the biggest surprise of the night was bringing the replacement refs from the start of the season in for the last two minutes of the Super Bowl.

when the 2 big things about the game are the power going off and a blatant blown call to win the game for the 9ers that's pretty much an epic nfl fail.

And that's from someone with no horse in the race, would be livid if I was as 49ers fan.

Spot on HB. Didn't give a damn who won, but 49ers were shortchanged badly I felt.
 

Too many what ifs to say niners would have won based only on that call going the other way. Bad calls happen all the time.

They would still have had to score a TD, albeit with 4 more attempts and closer in but the Ravens would still have had time for a final drive.

And the biggest slice of luck already went their way with the lights going out and killing all the Baltimore momentum.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ardal on February 04, 2013, 09:48:54 AM
Feck the result.

According to the Times, 1,200,000,000 bottles of beer were comsummed duing the event. The Times referes to cases of beer, asked around and the natives say this is a 24 pack.

PS America football is basically rugby played by people afraid of breaking their nails or hair do. And yet I still enjoy watching the sport sin adverts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Main Street on February 04, 2013, 11:56:27 AM
If the game was to go down to the Wire, then it's obvious who was gonna come out on top.

I watched it this morning, it took me 90 minutes to go though a 4 hours 20 minutes recording of a 60 minute game.
I didn't know who the good guys were, 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, I suppose. I was edging towards the '49 ers until Martin Johnson came on, then I backed off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2013, 12:33:53 PM
49ers left the game behind in the 1st half, have been letting teams run up a lead on them before wearing them down in the 2nd half, left to big a gap to close last night, actually thought they were the better team. the call at the end was terrible, def holding, they had been calling that all year but didnt have the balls to throw the flag with 2mins to go so close to the line, another 4 go at 2/3yrs out would likely have lead to a 49ers try with a 2pt conversion  leaving 3 in it, good to see flacco win one, but i find the baltimore team in general unlikeable and the casue of many a flare up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 04, 2013, 02:08:32 PM
The problem with the holding at the end is that they were letting them go all night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 04, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
i hear you J70, but would argue that they were v inconsistent with their calls, they let a lot go, but flagged a lot too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 04, 2013, 05:38:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 04, 2013, 02:08:32 PM
The problem with the holding at the end is that they were letting them go all night.

It's the Superbowl. You get away with way more than you would during the regular season. No official wants to decide the Superbowl with one of his calls in the last couple of minutes. They will let things go unless it is ridiculously blatant. Defenders know they can get away with more holding, bumping, etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
The right team won but the 49'ers will be back, they have the real deal at quarterback and they are young, hungry and extremely talented.

On the other hand B more are done, they are old and I dont think they will even make the playoffs next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2013, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
The right team won but the 49'ers will be back, they have the real deal at quarterback and they are young, hungry and extremely talented.

On the other hand B more are done, they are old and I dont think they will even make the playoffs next year.

The Niners would need to sort out that secondary next year, in fairness it wasn't helped by Justin or Aldon Smith not putting much pressure on Flacco.

I thought Harbaugh treated Alex Smith harshly earlier this year but I have been really impressed by Kaepernick, he isn't just a Michael Vick type athlete, he has great touch on his throws.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2013, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
The right team won but the 49'ers will be back, they have the real deal at quarterback and they are young, hungry and extremely talented.

On the other hand B more are done, they are old and I dont think they will even make the playoffs next year.

The Niners would need to sort out that secondary next year, in fairness it wasn't helped by Justin or Aldon Smith not putting much pressure on Flacco.

I thought Harbaugh treated Alex Smith harshly earlier this year but I have been really impressed by Kaepernick, he isn't just a Michael Vick type athlete, he has great touch on his throws.

Why was Harbaugh giving that suit a tough time when the lights went out?? I thought he acted like a bit of a ballbag to be honest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2013, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2013, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2013, 07:12:27 PM
The right team won but the 49'ers will be back, they have the real deal at quarterback and they are young, hungry and extremely talented.

On the other hand B more are done, they are old and I dont think they will even make the playoffs next year.

The Niners would need to sort out that secondary next year, in fairness it wasn't helped by Justin or Aldon Smith not putting much pressure on Flacco.

I thought Harbaugh treated Alex Smith harshly earlier this year but I have been really impressed by Kaepernick, he isn't just a Michael Vick type athlete, he has great touch on his throws.

Why was Harbaugh giving that suit a tough time when the lights went out?? I thought he acted like a bit of a ballbag to be honest.

http://deadspin.com/5981462/what-was-john-harbaugh-ranting-about-during-the-blackout-we-asked-a-lip-reader?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: laoislad on February 04, 2013, 08:09:20 PM
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on February 04, 2013, 02:05:14 AM
Laoislad to New Orleans please!

They wouldn't have been able to afford me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2013, 10:50:52 AM
Was rooting for the 49ers cos Ray Lewis, great player and all that he is, makes me sick and cos of Jim Harbaugh's Bears connection. Disappointed with the result and the no call at the end was terrible really. A top game though. Didnt see it live but recorded it and had a tough day yesterday avoiding the result but managed it!

Fair play to Beyonce also.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 05, 2013, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 05, 2013, 10:50:52 AM

Fair play to Beyonce also.

cant for the life of me think what you mean- oh wait
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 05, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
Well the dust is almost settled - what a game! From the start my concern was that the 9ers would make their notoriously slow play off start. Well they didn't. They made a worse one. It was unbelievable, and you cannot give the Ravens a 25point lead and expect to win the game. Although... they almost did, and could have. Granted I was with a very partisan 9er crowd - but there were two or three no calls against the Ravens defence - particularly the offsides in the 4th quarter on 3rd and goal followed up by the holding on 4th and goal.

I was impressed with Joe Flacco, and I enjoy watching him play  - so fair play there. Kaepernick had a forgettable first half - although his arm quality made 4-5 brief appearances. His second half display was fantastic and the nevada kid certainly wasn't a "nobody" this December... ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 23, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
Bad smash at the end of the Nationwide NASCAR race at Daytona.Engine and wheel of car busted through fence and ended up in stand.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVW65Tyji_s (https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVW65Tyji_s)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/race-fans-injured-car-slams-fence-nascar-nationwide-221100722--nascar.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/race-fans-injured-car-slams-fence-nascar-nationwide-221100722--nascar.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 24, 2013, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 23, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
Bad smash at the end of the Nationwide NASCAR race at Daytona.Engine and wheel of car busted through fence and ended up in stand.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVW65Tyji_s (https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVW65Tyji_s)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/race-fans-injured-car-slams-fence-nascar-nationwide-221100722--nascar.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/race-fans-injured-car-slams-fence-nascar-nationwide-221100722--nascar.html)

That Nascar is a shite sport altogether, you get a bunch of southern rednecks turning left for 500 miles and you have a hundred thousand rednecks in the stands a hootin and a hollerin while drunk off their asses.


I won two tickets at work a couple of years ago for the Daytona 500 and I took the plane tickets and sold the tickets for the 500, we have a wee place 5 mile from the speedway and I have yet to set foot anywhere near the place, to me it is a terrible sport.

One last thing, the first lady showed up to drop the flag to start the race and thousands of the bastards booed her up and down!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 26, 2013, 01:02:59 PM
Quote from: stew on February 24, 2013, 03:50:01 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on February 23, 2013, 10:51:41 PM
Bad smash at the end of the Nationwide NASCAR race at Daytona.Engine and wheel of car busted through fence and ended up in stand.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVW65Tyji_s (https://www.youtube.com/embed/wVW65Tyji_s)
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/race-fans-injured-car-slams-fence-nascar-nationwide-221100722--nascar.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/race-fans-injured-car-slams-fence-nascar-nationwide-221100722--nascar.html)

That Nascar is a shite sport altogether, you get a bunch of southern rednecks turning left for 500 miles and you have a hundred thousand rednecks in the stands a hootin and a hollerin while drunk off their asses.


I won two tickets at work a couple of years ago for the Daytona 500 and I took the plane tickets and sold the tickets for the 500, we have a wee place 5 mile from the speedway and I have yet to set foot anywhere near the place, to me it is a terrible sport.

One last thing, the first lady showed up to drop the flag to start the race and thousands of the b**tards booed her up and down!

Agree with you about NASCAR but you have to hand it to them - it's a money making racket for feck all. Build a track in the middle of nowhere so all the clowns have to buy your stuff as well as pay in the gate. Genius! Pure rubbish "sport" though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 26, 2013, 10:57:47 PM
NAscar did give us Talledega Nights and Ricky Bobby
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 27, 2013, 12:15:59 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 26, 2013, 10:57:47 PM
NAscar did give us Talledega Nights and Ricky Bobby Days of Thunder
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 27, 2013, 02:19:30 PM
i watched the last 15 laps of the nascar thing on Sunday to see what all the fuss was about.
bored
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: johnneycool on February 27, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 27, 2013, 12:15:59 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 26, 2013, 10:57:47 PM
NAscar did give us Talledega Nights and Ricky Bobby Days of Thunder Lightning McQueen
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 12, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
Percy Harvin has been traded to the seahawks. The Vikings will get a first and seventh round pick from the Seahawks as well as a mid round pick in next years draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 12, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
Percy Harvin has been traded to the seahawks. The Vikings will get a first and seventh round pick from the Seahawks as well as a mid round pick in next years draft.

That is a brilliant trade for Seattle. Could be a contender next season if the defense holds up and QB doesn't have a sophomore slump.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 12, 2013, 02:36:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 12, 2013, 12:13:37 PM
Percy Harvin has been traded to the seahawks. The Vikings will get a first and seventh round pick from the Seahawks as well as a mid round pick in next years draft.

That is a brilliant trade for Seattle. Could be a contender next season if the defense holds up and QB doesn't have a sophomore slump.

I love this trade, the Queens feck up yet again, they are one of the worst franchises in sports, that said i just hope they screw up the first round pick!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
I agree. Terrible business from Vikings points of view. What must AP think? He should look to get traded too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
I agree. Terrible business from Vikings points of view. What must AP think? He should look to get traded too.

He's not happy.

QuoteAdrian Peterson         @AdrianPeterson

The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!

That said the Vikings had no choice. Harvin was desperate to leave and they got a good deal for a player who wanted out of there and who as talented as he is, tends to miss a lot of games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
I agree. Terrible business from Vikings points of view. What must AP think? He should look to get traded too.

He's not happy.

QuoteAdrian Peterson         @AdrianPeterson

The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!

That said the Vikings had no choice. Harvin was desperate to leave and they got a good deal for a player who wanted out of there and who as talented as he is, tends to miss a lot of games.

I think they should have got more for Harvin than a first rounder and a lottery ticket. Maybe they can pick up another WR in free agency for les, there are plenty of good ones around.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 12, 2013, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
I agree. Terrible business from Vikings points of view. What must AP think? He should look to get traded too.

He's not happy.

QuoteAdrian Peterson         @AdrianPeterson

The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!

That said the Vikings had no choice. Harvin was desperate to leave and they got a good deal for a player who wanted out of there and who as talented as he is, tends to miss a lot of games.

I think they should have got more for Harvin than a first rounder and a lottery ticket. Maybe they can pick up another WR in free agency for les, there are plenty of good ones around.

The problem is that they let Harvin slabber about being desperate to get out and didnt have the balls to tell him to shut his mouth and that they would get it done, nah, not the Vikings, they are useless hoors altogether.

They should have gotten at least 2 first rounders, a second and two third rounders for that animal, he is a sublime football, he is intelligent, strong like bull and can run like the wind, Seattle are simply the next team in line to shaft the hapless vikings, long may it continue!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
I agree. Terrible business from Vikings points of view. What must AP think? He should look to get traded too.

He's not happy.

QuoteAdrian Peterson         @AdrianPeterson

The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!

That said the Vikings had no choice. Harvin was desperate to leave and they got a good deal for a player who wanted out of there and who as talented as he is, tends to miss a lot of games.

I think they should have got more for Harvin than a first rounder and a lottery ticket. Maybe they can pick up another WR in free agency for les, there are plenty of good ones around.

The problem is that they let Harvin slabber about being desperate to get out and didnt have the balls to tell him to shut his mouth and that they would get it done, nah, not the Vikings, they are useless hoors altogether.

They should have gotten at least 2 first rounders, a second and two third rounders for that animal, he is a sublime football, he is intelligent, strong like bull and can run like the wind, Seattle are simply the next team in line to shaft the hapless vikings, long may it continue!

They were never going to get a haul like that for a wide receiver though. I think the Rams got something similiar to that from the Redskins for RG3 but that's because potentially great QB's are valued so highly. Teams covet those draft picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 12, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
Quote from: stew on March 12, 2013, 04:07:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on March 12, 2013, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 12, 2013, 02:57:24 PM
I agree. Terrible business from Vikings points of view. What must AP think? He should look to get traded too.

He's not happy.

QuoteAdrian Peterson         @AdrianPeterson

The best all around player I ever seen or you'll ever see! Goes to Seattle! I feel like I just got kicked in the stomach. Several times!!!

That said the Vikings had no choice. Harvin was desperate to leave and they got a good deal for a player who wanted out of there and who as talented as he is, tends to miss a lot of games.

I think they should have got more for Harvin than a first rounder and a lottery ticket. Maybe they can pick up another WR in free agency for les, there are plenty of good ones around.

The problem is that they let Harvin slabber about being desperate to get out and didnt have the balls to tell him to shut his mouth and that they would get it done, nah, not the Vikings, they are useless hoors altogether.

They should have gotten at least 2 first rounders, a second and two third rounders for that animal, he is a sublime football, he is intelligent, strong like bull and can run like the wind, Seattle are simply the next team in line to shaft the hapless vikings, long may it continue!

They were never going to get a haul like that for a wide receiver though. I think the Rams got something similiar to that from the Redskins for RG3 but that's because potentially great QB's are valued so highly. Teams covet those draft picks.

Three words " He's Percy Harvin'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 13, 2013, 08:04:43 PM
Looks like Wes Welker is swapping Tom Brady for Peyton Manning
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 13, 2013, 08:54:07 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 13, 2013, 08:04:43 PM
Looks like Wes Welker is swapping Tom Brady for Peyton Manning

Yep Adam Schefter has confirmed it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 13, 2013, 09:15:20 PM
Sure didn't the bould Tom take less money to keep lads like Wes ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 15, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
Bears got Martellus Bennett (good I think) and Jermon Bushrod in free agency. They're getting ripped for the Bushrod signing but surely he's not as bad as some make out? Is it that they overpaid or is the guy notgoing to be an upgrade on Webb?

Like the Bennett signing. Huge guy who is a decent blocker and pass catcher. Kellen Davis and Spaeth were simply no threat in the passing game.

Think the Falcons got a great deal with Steven Jackson. He won't have as many reps as in St Louis and is a big upgrade on Michael Turner in my view.

Seahawks are having a great free agency.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 15, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 15, 2013, 09:44:36 AM
Bears got Martellus Bennett (good I think) and Jermon Bushrod in free agency. They're getting ripped for the Bushrod signing but surely he's not as bad as some make out? Is it that they overpaid or is the guy notgoing to be an upgrade on Webb?

Like the Bennett signing. Huge guy who is a decent blocker and pass catcher. Kellen Davis and Spaeth were simply no threat in the passing game.

Think the Falcons got a great deal with Steven Jackson. He won't have as many reps as in St Louis and is a big upgrade on Michael Turner in my view.

Seahawks are having a great free agency.

Matt Williamson, former NFL scout, said this on Twitter the other day about Bushrod -

"If happens, not big on Bushrod to #Bears...benefited greatly from Brees' ability to get the ball out...below average starting OT"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 15, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 13, 2013, 09:15:20 PM
Sure didn't the bould Tom take less money to keep lads like Wes ;)

he did, he took 15 million less and was assured by the owner that he would keep the main men, they lost welker for a million a season over two years, thats ridiculous, I follow the Pats but the fcukers are loyal to know one and this is an awful decision that Brady is seriously pissed about, and well he should be, he gave back 15 mil to lose his best mate and number one receiver? Funny football as the man say's, rant over!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2013, 03:02:52 PM
Got Danny Amendola in from the Rams though, he's got potential so that might work out okay for the Pats. The Cardinals are doing a bit of water treading, Yeremiah Bell in is good, releasing Beanie Wells is probably also a good move, but is Rashad Mendenhall good enough to make up for an OLine made of statues? Also, Drew Stanton? Really?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 15, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 15, 2013, 03:02:52 PM
Got Danny Amendola in from the Rams though, he's got potential so that might work out okay for the Pats. The Cardinals are doing a bit of water treading, Yeremiah Bell in is good, releasing Beanie Wells is probably also a good move, but is Rashad Mendenhall good enough to make up for an OLine made of statues? Also, Drew Stanton? Really?

Arizona must be going to draft Matt Barkley or Geno Smith. Drew Stanton is only backup QB. Mendenhall was a decent RB not that long ago but is a serious risk. There were better options out there I'd have thought. Yeremiah Bell is getting on a bit but is a good player.

The Pats fecked up on Welker. He has had a few high profile drops but he has been massive for their offense. Giving him to Peyton Manning is a major boo boo. Amendola is a good slot guy but no Welker and has to prove his durability.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2013, 03:23:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 15, 2013, 09:44:36 AMLike the Bennett signing. Huge guy who is a decent blocker and pass catcher. Kellen Davis and Spaeth were simply no threat in the passing game.

There's not too many Giants fans crying about losing Bennett - especially a 5million a year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 15, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2013, 03:23:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 15, 2013, 09:44:36 AMLike the Bennett signing. Huge guy who is a decent blocker and pass catcher. Kellen Davis and Spaeth were simply no threat in the passing game.

There's not too many Giants fans crying about losing Bennett - especially a 5million a year

Everything is relative though. Relative to what he's replacing Bennett is a star. I personlly think he can go on and improve quite a bit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 15, 2013, 04:18:39 PM
Quote from: stew on March 15, 2013, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: Declan on March 13, 2013, 09:15:20 PM
Sure didn't the bould Tom take less money to keep lads like Wes ;)

he did, he took 15 million less and was assured by the owner that he would keep the main men, they lost welker for a million a season over two years, thats ridiculous, I follow the Pats but the fcukers are loyal to know one and this is an awful decision that Brady is seriously pissed about, and well he should be, he gave back 15 mil to lose his best mate and number one receiver? Funny football as the man say's, rant over!

Stew, he didn't give up a penny. He is getting more guaranteed money now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 15, 2013, 09:46:11 PM
Regarding Percy harvin, a 1st round pick and 7th is very good business for a player who doesn't want o be there? Very few wideouts would command a 1st rd pick, namely Calvin Johnston andvAJ Green. Correct move by Minnesota in my book.
I honestly hope Seattle fail to make the playoffs! Wilson is a very pod QB and seems like a good kid.
Pete Carroll is a p***k though. Make NO doubt about it, the only reason he fucked off out of USC was he knew the ship was going down!
He manipulated the appeals systems last year after 2 of his corners were caught using adderall. One appealed the other didn't, essentially meaning that both would never be off the field at the same time.
Imagine if the pats , giants or even the 49 ers had done that.........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 16, 2013, 02:36:50 AM
Same can be said about Chip Kelly and dozens of other big name college coaches. The college system lends itself to bent rules.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on March 25, 2013, 10:06:23 AM
A YOUNG Irish American is poised to sign a deal to make him a mega sports star in the US – all thanks to his GAA kicking skills.




Patrick Murray (21) has NFL teams scrambling to secure his signature after discovering an uncanny knack for kicking field goals.

But his skills were honed on the GAA pitch where Patrick started out after his father Aidan emigrated from Clones, Co Monaghan, over 20 years ago.

Patrick is the most successful kicker in the history of his New York-based Fordham College football team. And he's already made the record books, having kicked the longest-ever field goal for his team.

He now stands to make millions of dollars in the coming years when he puts pen to paper and signs as a professional next month.

"Some big teams have already indicated some real interest. The base salary for most rookie players coming out of university is $413,000.

"But the highest-paid NFL player in my position on the field is currently earning around $2m a year," he told the Irish Independent from his home in the Bronx.

"I went to an open day recently and all 32 NFL teams had a representative there to watch me kick. I put on an absolute show for them – it was unbelievable.

"Afterwards I spoke with nearly every team and I've a workout organised with the New York Giants.

"When I sign papers at the end of April there's a signing-on bonus and that ranges from €5,000 to $40,000."

But despite his future career in American sport, he said he "bleeds green white and orange" and credits his success to playing Gaelic football as a kid.

"I got my leg strength from scoring points for my team and that made the transition to American football so much easier.

"I also come from a long line of Gaelic football players. My uncle, Ciaran, captained Monaghan in the 1980s. My other uncle, Ciaran, is the physio for the Irish national soccer team and he gives me advice on how to stay fit.

"I'm the kicker and punter on the team, which means I punt the football like you would in Gaelic – I learnt all I know from playing GAA."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 25, 2013, 06:58:20 PM
Quote from: orangeman on March 25, 2013, 10:06:23 AM
A YOUNG Irish American is poised to sign a deal to make him a mega sports star in the US – all thanks to his GAA kicking skills.




Patrick Murray (21) has NFL teams scrambling to secure his signature after discovering an uncanny knack for kicking field goals.

But his skills were honed on the GAA pitch where Patrick started out after his father Aidan emigrated from Clones, Co Monaghan, over 20 years ago.

Patrick is the most successful kicker in the history of his New York-based Fordham College football team. And he's already made the record books, having kicked the longest-ever field goal for his team.

He now stands to make millions of dollars in the coming years when he puts pen to paper and signs as a professional next month.

"Some big teams have already indicated some real interest. The base salary for most rookie players coming out of university is $413,000.

"But the highest-paid NFL player in my position on the field is currently earning around $2m a year," he told the Irish Independent from his home in the Bronx.

"I went to an open day recently and all 32 NFL teams had a representative there to watch me kick. I put on an absolute show for them – it was unbelievable.

"Afterwards I spoke with nearly every team and I've a workout organised with the New York Giants.

"When I sign papers at the end of April there's a signing-on bonus and that ranges from €5,000 to $40,000."

But despite his future career in American sport, he said he "bleeds green white and orange" and credits his success to playing Gaelic football as a kid.

"I got my leg strength from scoring points for my team and that made the transition to American football so much easier.

"I also come from a long line of Gaelic football players. My uncle, Ciaran, captained Monaghan in the 1980s. My other uncle, Ciaran, is the physio for the Irish national soccer team and he gives me advice on how to stay fit.

"I'm the kicker and punter on the team, which means I punt the football like you would in Gaelic – I learnt all I know from playing GAA."


Maybe the Ciaran's are brothers like the Darryl's from the Bob Newhouse show!

Fair play to him though, I will keep an eye on his career as long as the Vikes or Cowbhoys don't pick him up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 16, 2013, 10:23:30 PM
Pat Summerall has died, aged 82.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Many here follow the NBA? I've got really into it in last two years or so. Very hard to see anyone stopping LeBron and co. Spurs and Thunder will battle for the West again. I sneakily fancied Denver after their run until they lost Gallo. No matter who comes out of the West, they won't have it against the Heat. OKC I think are a downgrade on last year - they should have traded Westbrook, not Harden.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 17, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Many here follow the NBA? I've got really into it in last two years or so. Very hard to see anyone stopping LeBron and co. Spurs and Thunder will battle for the West again. I sneakily fancied Denver after their run until they lost Gallo. No matter who comes out of the West, they won't have it against the Heat. OKC I think are a downgrade on last year - they should have traded Westbrook, not Harden.


The NBA is horrible until the playoffs, these boys dont show up until the second half of the season and college ball is far more popular.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2013, 11:30:15 PM
Quote from: stew on April 17, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Many here follow the NBA? I've got really into it in last two years or so. Very hard to see anyone stopping LeBron and co. Spurs and Thunder will battle for the West again. I sneakily fancied Denver after their run until they lost Gallo. No matter who comes out of the West, they won't have it against the Heat. OKC I think are a downgrade on last year - they should have traded Westbrook, not Harden.


The NBA is horrible until the playoffs, these boys dont show up until the second half of the season and college ball is far more popular.

Maybe not as harsh as you put it but the point is correct. Really enjoy watching the NBA once it hits the play-offs, some amazing stuff happens when those lads have to go at 100%.

The 82 game seasons are what makes it a bit of a bore for the early part of the year, both the NBA and MLB ruin their regular seasons by playing far too many games. Money talks, obviously.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 18, 2013, 05:13:53 AM
Love the NBA, been a great season so far for the NY Knicks. Tough series to come against Boston but fancy them to go through, and if any team can beat Miami it is the Knicks. Injuries may be the Knicks undoing. Fancy Knicks Heat Pacers and Nets in east with Nets Bulls being the toughest to call. In the west, Nuggets Spurs Thunder and Clippers just about over Grizzlies.  Lakers Spurs, Knicks Celtics should be the best of the first round games. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 20, 2013, 08:11:12 PM
Melo has come out firing. 10 points nicely in the first 5 minutes.  Garnett has started well for Celtics
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 20, 2013, 10:38:37 PM
Knicks ground that win out nicely in the end.  :)

For all their defensive prowess, Celtics are very limited offensively, especially without Rondo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 20, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: stew on April 17, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Many here follow the NBA? I've got really into it in last two years or so. Very hard to see anyone stopping LeBron and co. Spurs and Thunder will battle for the West again. I sneakily fancied Denver after their run until they lost Gallo. No matter who comes out of the West, they won't have it against the Heat. OKC I think are a downgrade on last year - they should have traded Westbrook, not Harden.


The NBA is horrible until the playoffs, these boys dont show up until the second half of the season and college ball is far more popular.

Have to say I love the regular season too!

With Liverpool utter piss, Knicks have been finally doing their bit to give me something to shout for over the winter for the first time in a decade!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 21, 2013, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: stew on April 17, 2013, 08:08:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
Many here follow the NBA? I've got really into it in last two years or so. Very hard to see anyone stopping LeBron and co. Spurs and Thunder will battle for the West again. I sneakily fancied Denver after their run until they lost Gallo. No matter who comes out of the West, they won't have it against the Heat. OKC I think are a downgrade on last year - they should have traded Westbrook, not Harden.


The NBA is horrible until the playoffs, these boys dont show up until the second half of the season and college ball is far more popular.

Have to say I love the regular season too!

With Liverpool utter piss, Knicks have been finally doing their bit to give me something to shout for over the winter for the first time in a decade!

Melo won't lead them to a title though - his pass to JR Smith to make it a five point game late in the 4th last night was his first assist of the night! For such an elite scorer who's clearly incredibly talented, I just can't warm to him. Maybe because he's fat :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
It seemed like after his first few shots he felt he had the beating of Green/Bass every time.  Was frustrating to watch him take on so many tough shots.  Kidd for me was the difference, couple of big threes in the first half to keep them in the game and three big turnovers in the fourth.  Knicks ball movement will be better when Pablo Prigioni comes back, add to that a fit Tyson Chandler and things not looking bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
Bulls were an embarrassment, Lopez and Williams destroyed them.  Noah played for Bulls but was well of the pace.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 21, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
I thought Melo and JR got back into that rut, at least a bit, that they were in back in Jan-Feb, when once the ball reached either of them, everything stopped and they ended up taking hard shots. They need to keep the ball moving, like they've done over the past month, and JR needs to keep driving at the basket. They might get the likes of Novak open for decent three point attempts, not like last night. Not easy obviously, when Kevin Garnett is in the way, but by keeping the ball moving they're more likely to pull him out, at least part of the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 21, 2013, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 21, 2013, 10:17:36 AM
Bulls were an embarrassment, Lopez and Williams destroyed them.  Noah played for Bulls but was well of the pace.

They'll need more than 13 minutes out of him if they're to get anywhere. Still, regardless of what happens, think the bulls can be proud of their season without Rose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Funny first round of the draft. No QB or RB in round 1! The Bears pick, Kyle Long, is not that exciting but I think it will prove a good one. Basically they're going to keep Cutler upright this year and find out for once and for all if he is the man. Round 2 looks very interesting with plenty of good prospects still available. I think from a Bears viewpoint there are 3 LB's left (Minter, Te'o and Arthur Brown) who would be good picks to potentially fill the Urlacher void.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2013, 12:38:52 PM
This draft was very much about the Lines (O and D). The Cardinals would have loved a good tackle, but a guard is good too, and he was the best guy left at #7. I'm hoping they continue to work on the O-Line in the remaining rounds. Palmer and Mendenhall are decent, Floyd and Fitz can be a great 1-2 receiving punch, and the defence is ok. They can't become competitive in a tough division (amazing. Remember the 'NFC Worst' moniker the West had to deal with) if they can't keep their QB healthy or run the ball to take the pressure off the Pass Blocking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2013, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Funny first round of the draft. No QB or RB in round 1! The Bears pick, Kyle Long, is not that exciting but I think it will prove a good one. Basically they're going to keep Cutler upright this year and find out for once and for all if he is the man. Round 2 looks very interesting with plenty of good prospects still available. I think from a Bears viewpoint there are 3 LB's left (Minter, Te'o and Arthur Brown) who would be good picks to potentially fill the Urlacher void.

Biggest surprise for me was that neither Geno Smith nor Matt Barkley were drafted yet, although there was a QB taken Seanie, The Bills took a lad called EJ Manuel from Florida State. Smith wasn't too happy. He's not attending tonight, and is going home :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
See this draft thing. What happens if your pick doesn't want to go there for reasons such as he wants to go to a 'better side', more money, better contract etc?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2013, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Funny first round of the draft. No QB or RB in round 1! The Bears pick, Kyle Long, is not that exciting but I think it will prove a good one. Basically they're going to keep Cutler upright this year and find out for once and for all if he is the man. Round 2 looks very interesting with plenty of good prospects still available. I think from a Bears viewpoint there are 3 LB's left (Minter, Te'o and Arthur Brown) who would be good picks to potentially fill the Urlacher void.

Biggest surprise for me was that neither Geno Smith nor Matt Barkley were drafted yet, although there was a QB taken Seanie, The Bills took a lad called EJ Manuel from Florida State. Smith wasn't too happy. He's not attending tonight, and is going home :D

Oh yeah - forgot about him. That was a kick in the nuts for Smith and also Ryan Nassib whose college coach is now at the Bills.

I'd also be interested in answers to NT's question. Open to correction but isn't there some sort of structure for rookie salaries so that shouldn't be an issue?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the onion bag on April 26, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
See this draft thing. What happens if your pick doesn't want to go there for reasons such as he wants to go to a 'better side', more money, better contract etc?

Eli Manning to the Chargers 2004 is probably the closest you'll get to this scenario in recent times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 26, 2013, 02:29:32 PM
First time since 1963 that no running-back was taken in the 1st round of the draft. Guess it shows the direction the NFL is headed in. Unless the running-back is an amazing talent, teams obviously feel they can fill that position with productive players from further down the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 26, 2013, 02:51:22 PM
The falcons did most of the leg work in free agency.

IN
Osi Umenura (Gmen)
Steven Jackson (Rams)

OUT
John Abraham
Michael Turner

A bit sad that Turner is gone and I rate him higher than Jackson but Smith/Dimitroff wants to move away from a big bruising running game to something more versatile. To be fair I think Smith or the OC were a bit unimaginative in their use of Turner leading to a lot of 4th and short failures where their only idea is to run the big man up the middle as if he can move mountains (which he did until he physically broke down).

Osi will be great, bringing two superbowl rings into the dressing room. Im confident the falcons will make the playoffs again but the NFC south will be tough with a revitalised Saints team.

I think we will fill some gaps in the secondary in this draft and maybe a linebacker or Tightend who can get one year learning from Tony Gonzales.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 03:08:27 PM
I disagree about Turner v. Steven Jackson. I think Jackson has more left in the tank and can catch passes out of the backfield too which Turner never could. Matt Ryan/Julio Jones/Roddy White will mean defenses can't just key in on S-Jax either, unlike recent years. With Jacquizz Rogers and Snelling also in the mix it will be a potent ground game.

Umenyiora - upgrade on Abraham assuming he can get back close to his best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 26, 2013, 03:15:28 PM
Quote from: the onion bag on April 26, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 26, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
See this draft thing. What happens if your pick doesn't want to go there for reasons such as he wants to go to a 'better side', more money, better contract etc?

Eli Manning to the Chargers 2004 is probably the closest you'll get to this scenario in recent times.

Or when Jim Kelly jumped to USFL playing for the Houton Gamblers for a couple of years to avoid having to go to the Bills and I doubt he fore saw losing 4 superbowls on the hop. His Irish heritage must be from Mayo ;).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 26, 2013, 03:51:34 PM
Hope the wee Monaghan man gets picked soon!
http://nfldraftzone.com/draft-news/diamond-in-the-rough-patrick-murray-kp-fordham-university/ (http://nfldraftzone.com/draft-news/diamond-in-the-rough-patrick-murray-kp-fordham-university/)

One position in football that is widely overlooked is the kick specialist. Special Teams make up one third of the game in football.  When you are a specialist, you're either loved or hated.  You are usually the scapegoat if the team is doing badly; and when the team is playing good, you are just lucky to have a job. There have been several successful Australian players that have brought their unique style to the NFL such as Darren Bennett and Sav Rocca, but there has never been a Gaelic style player in the NFL. Well my next Diamond in the Rough prospect came from a family full of Gaelic football players, and he is taking college football over by storm.
Gaelic Football is a unique sport from Ireland that has been around for hundreds of years. Gaelic Football is a sport played between two teams of 15 players. Players advance the football (a spherical leather ball), up the field with a combination of carrying, bouncing, kicking, hand-passing, and soloing (dropping the ball and then toe-kicking the ball upward into the hands). In the game, two types of scores are possible: points and goals. A point (1 point) is awarded for kicking or hand-passing the ball over the crossbar. A goal (3 points) is awarded for kicking the ball under the crossbar into the net. Although it is not very popular here in the United States, there is one family in New Jersey that the sport has really helped.
The Murray family has been involved in Gaelic football for a very long time.  Aidan Murray, a long time Gaelic player and graduate of University College Dublin, Ireland was a very successful standout in his Country. Linda moved to Ireland to take a few courses before meeting the Gaelic star. Eventually Aidan would move to United States to be with Linda, and get married. On June 22nd 1991, Aidan and his lovely wife Linda would have their first child, Patrick. Patrick would grow up playing sports such as baseball, basketball and soccer. Patrick followed in his father's footsteps and would learn to love Gaelic Football.
"I grew up watching my Dad, Uncles Ciaran Murray and Brendan Murray, and cousin, Aedin Murray, who were all national caliber Gaelic football players in Ireland. I try to watch as much Gaelic football as I can, it is my first love. I bleed Green, White, and Orange. Gaelic football players don't get paid to play, you play to represent your county that is more important than earning money." – Patrick Murray
In high school, Patrick would end up playing football where he could play both kicker and punter for Don Bosco Prep.  Patrick was a three year varsity standout for the football team, and led the Don Bosco Prep team to three consecutive state championships. Patrick is a very smart kid as well; he was a member of the National Honor Society, German National Honor Society, and English National Honor Society as a senior.
Patrick would have a tough decision to make after having a very successful football career at Don Bosco Prep high school. He had tons of NCAA teams calling him and talking with him. Teams like Boston College, Rutgers, Delaware, and Central Michigan were just a handful that liked Patrick.  Patrick was not given a scholarship by any of the teams, because they all said he was too small.  Patrick was just 5'7 and weighed 162 pounds, but teams told him he just wasn't going to be able to make it as a kicker or punter.
"I remember people telling me that I was too small, and that I wouldn't be able to play college football.  It made me a little upset, but it ultimately made me stronger." – Patrick Murray
Patrick would make a decision to go to Delaware to play for the Blue Hens.  He was not offered a scholarship, but was told that if he played well in his first year that the next year he could earn a scholarship. After two long weeks of practice and weight lifting, Patrick began missing his family.
"It was a long ways away from home, and I knew it wasn't the place I wanted to be.  I talked with my parents and they supported me. I left Delaware and enrolled at Fordham University." – Patrick Murray
Things were just not going Patrick's way, he was already told that he was too small to play college football, he couldn't get a scholarship to play football, and then received news that he was never expecting. Patrick's childhood friend Vincent Crotty, who was an amazing baseball player in the New York area, had been involved in a fatal car accident.
"It was a rainy day and both Vincent and one of his teammates were leaving for practice, when they were involved in a car accident. A truck pulled out and hit their car and killed them both. Since my freshman year, I wear tape around my left wrist with the letters "VC" on it, for Vincent. Vincent was my best friend, and I knew from that point forward, I wanted to succeed for not just him, but for his family. I'm playing my hardest for them." – Patrick Murray
Patrick went into his freshman season without a scholarship for Fordham University as he was told he would have to earn it. Murray didn't stop, he came in guns blazing, and as he was first team All-Patriot league punter, where he led the Patriot league and ranked 10th in the FCS with a 41.9 yard punt average. This was the fourth best single season average in Fordham University History. He had 36 punts for 1,507 yards, in which 8 punts traveled more than 50 yards and seven landed inside the opponent's 20 yard line.  He was named special teams player of the week, once also nailed a 73 yard punt during the Colgate game tying him for the second longest punt in Fordham history. Not only was he the punter, he also handled the kickoff duties averaging 60.8 yards a kickoff his freshman year.
As a sophomore for the Rams, Murray would again take over the Patriot League, as he handled both the punting and kicking duties. He punted the ball 49 times, for 1,928 yards, averaging 39.3 yards a punt which led the Patriot league. He landed 20 of those punts inside the 20 yard line, and had ten punts of 50 plus yards. He only connected on 12 of his 21 field goal attempts with a long of 48, which was third longest field goal in Fordham history. He averaged 61.2 yards on his 59 kickoffs for the season as well.
In 2011, Patrick was named third team All-American by the Associated Press after his most impressive season in his career.  He punted 49 times for 2,160 yards averaging 44.1 yards a punt. He landed 21 of those punts inside the 20 yard line, and 16 of his punts traveled 50 plus yards. He nailed another 73 yard punt against Rhode Island tying his career long, and was named FCS Punter Performer of the Week by the CFPA.  Patrick would go on to win this award three more times his junior year, and bring home the CFPA FCS Punter Performer of the Year Award. Brad Smith the director of the CFPA, said it was the best all-around statistics in the awards history. He averaged 65.2 yards on kickoffs which was his highest total ever.
Entering his senior season, Murray was getting recognition as one of the most prolific punters in Fordham history and was still without a scholarship. He had a career punting average of 44.1 yards which is second best ever for the Rams. Before Patrick's senior year started, Fordham hired a new head coach in Joe Moorhead. Moorhead noticed something special about Patrick, and approached him with some big news. He told Patrick that he would need to step it up this year for the Rams since he earned his scholarship. Patrick was finally given a scholarship from Fordham University, and it has paid off for the Rams. Patrick practiced harder than ever for his senior year and it has shown.  There was finally someone who believed in the five-foot-seven monster-legged kicker, and Murray would not let his coach down. After 10 games, Murray has been putting on a clinic to opposing Patriot League teams.
This year, Patrick has punted 50 times for 2,312 yards which is not just the number one punter in the Patriot League for punting; he is number one in the entire FCS.  He also went on to become the kickoff specialist where he has kicked 57 kickoffs, and 34 of them went as touchbacks.  Murray was also asked to handle field goals this year as well, where he has gone on to hit 23-26 field goals. Four of those field goals are from 50 plus yards which ranked number 1 in the entire country in all divisions. He is 27/27 on extra points, and is number one in both the FCS and Patriot league for field goals. The most amazing statistic this year is not the field goals or punts, but the fact that he has won the Patriot league special team's player of the week seven times. Patrick also won the CFPA Kicker and Punter of the week 5 times this year, and was honorable mention every other week. With just one more game in the season Murray is on pace to break the FCS record, if he hits 3 more field goals.  I asked Murray what he thought about breaking the record and he said:
"I haven't really thought about breaking the record, I have been more focused on winning the last game. I feel that if I focus too much on it, I am taking away from my teammates." –Patrick Murray
Murray is kicking his way to success, the same way Greg Zuerlein did it last year for Missouri Western (a small division 2 school). Greg Zuerlein has went on to have a great NFL rookie season for the St. Louis Rams and when he was asked if it mattered if he played at a big school, "Legatron" said it best.
"I didn't think it mattered to me too much because I always thought kicking's kicking at any level, whether it's D-2 or D-1, If you can do it, you can do it. It doesn't matter. ....You don't really need to be a big-name guy or to go to the Combine. If you have the ability, the scouts will find you." – Greg Zuerlein – Kicker – St. Louis Rams
Patrick Murray has a never give up mentality, which reminds me of the underdog Dublin Gaelic football team last year; who trailed by 4 points with just 10 minutes left against Kerry in the finals. They made a dramatic comeback to beat the Kerry team by 1 point on a free kick by their goalie from 45 meters. When I watched the game, I thought of the Murray family, and if Patrick keeps it up he will definitely get his chance to contribute in the NFL.  He will have to overcome critics like he has in the past, but every time he lines up for a kick and feels pressure, all he has to do is look down at his left wrist, and remember that he has an angel watching over every kick.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 26, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2013, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Funny first round of the draft. No QB or RB in round 1! The Bears pick, Kyle Long, is not that exciting but I think it will prove a good one. Basically they're going to keep Cutler upright this year and find out for once and for all if he is the man. Round 2 looks very interesting with plenty of good prospects still available. I think from a Bears viewpoint there are 3 LB's left (Minter, Te'o and Arthur Brown) who would be good picks to potentially fill the Urlacher void.

Biggest surprise for me was that neither Geno Smith nor Matt Barkley were drafted yet, although there was a QB taken Seanie, The Bills took a lad called EJ Manuel from Florida State. Smith wasn't too happy. He's not attending tonight, and is going home :D

Oh yeah - forgot about him. That was a kick in the nuts for Smith and also Ryan Nassib whose college coach is now at the Bills.

I'd also be interested in answers to NT's question. Open to correction but isn't there some sort of structure for rookie salaries so that shouldn't be an issue?

Cutler is an arsehole but if they can protect him he will be outstanding.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 27, 2013, 12:33:22 AM
Geno Smith picked by Jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 27, 2013, 01:46:57 AM
Quote from: stew on April 26, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2013, 12:41:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2013, 11:46:15 AM
Funny first round of the draft. No QB or RB in round 1! The Bears pick, Kyle Long, is not that exciting but I think it will prove a good one. Basically they're going to keep Cutler upright this year and find out for once and for all if he is the man. Round 2 looks very interesting with plenty of good prospects still available. I think from a Bears viewpoint there are 3 LB's left (Minter, Te'o and Arthur Brown) who would be good picks to potentially fill the Urlacher void.

Biggest surprise for me was that neither Geno Smith nor Matt Barkley were drafted yet, although there was a QB taken Seanie, The Bills took a lad called EJ Manuel from Florida State. Smith wasn't too happy. He's not attending tonight, and is going home :D

Oh yeah - forgot about him. That was a kick in the nuts for Smith and also Ryan Nassib whose college coach is now at the Bills.

I'd also be interested in answers to NT's question. Open to correction but isn't there some sort of structure for rookie salaries so that shouldn't be an issue?

Cutler is an arsehole but if they can protect him he will be outstanding.

He'll be good and not much more than that. He's a poor man's Brett Farve.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 27, 2013, 03:57:16 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 27, 2013, 12:33:22 AM
Geno Smith picked by Jets

Where does that leave Tebow?

And Sanchez!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 27, 2013, 05:00:33 AM
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2013, 03:57:16 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 27, 2013, 12:33:22 AM
Geno Smith picked by Jets

Where does that leave Tebow?

And Sanchez!

Tebow was always gone this off-season and Sanchez is likewise gone after next season, he only saved himself from the cut this year because 'management' signed him up to a contract with a jaw-dropping amount of guaranteed money this season. The Smith pick only rally means Sanchez will almost surely spend the later part of his last season in NYC on the bench.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Seamroga in exile on April 27, 2013, 07:57:33 AM
The speculation in NY is that the jets are trying to convert Tebow Into a tight end. They also Traded 4th round pick for Chris ivory from the saints . Great move.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 27, 2013, 12:07:34 PM
Nice win for the Knicks last night, although it was rather sad in a way to see the Celtics, and in particular, Paul Pierce, struggle so badly on their home court. The only drawback was JR Smith getting the line for his elbow on Terry, which means he'll probably be suspended for game 4. Hopefully the Knicks will still have enough to sweep them, with Copeland coming in and taking JR's share of the scoring duties. Celtics are just awful without Rondo, with no clue on offense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2013, 01:56:26 PM
That was a productive first round of the draft for the Vikings. They used three first round picks to get Sharif Floyd at defensive tackle, Xavier Rhodes at corner back and exciting play maker at receiver Cordarelle Patterson. That left them without any picks on day two but getting three first rounders is good business for the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on April 27, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 27, 2013, 12:07:34 PM
Nice win for the Knicks last night, although it was rather sad in a way to see the Celtics, and in particular, Paul Pierce, struggle so badly on their home court. The only drawback was JR Smith getting the line for his elbow on Terry, which means he'll probably be suspended for game 4. Hopefully the Knicks will still have enough to sweep them, with Copeland coming in and taking JR's share of the scoring duties. Celtics are just awful without Rondo, with no clue on offense.
Cant see Boston losing 4-0 especially at home. They missed too many  - plain and simple. Defense needs to tighten up and offense need to make the scores. Think they were shooting 36%.....
Anthony looks solid in the play offs though - fair play.

Miami still look good with Ray Allen still dropping the 3's. LeBron was a beast again in the second half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
Intriguing pick by Niners taking Marcus Lattimore, could be a great pick if he recovers fully from the knee injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 27, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
The Browns must be fulfilling some little-known charity obligation as they trade away pick after pick.  What, no available safeties to bolster our defence?  And to trade a pick to the Steelers? I think they should have opted for the auto-draft feature.

OK, just picked up a safety.  7 rounds over and we've made a grand total of three picks.  Exciting viewing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 27, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
Intriguing pick by Niners taking Marcus Lattimore, could be a great pick if he recovers fully from the knee injury.

Beautiful scenario for the 49ers. They have so many picks and so few needs they can take risks like this. If this works out it will be great for them and they are one of the few who could afford to take the risk.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2013, 10:15:38 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 27, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
The Browns must be fulfilling some little-known charity obligation as they trade away pick after pick.  What, no available safeties to bolster our defence?  And to trade a pick to the Steelers? I think they should have opted for the auto-draft feature.

OK, just picked up a safety.  7 rounds over and we've made a grand total of three picks.  Exciting viewing.

Whaddya talking about, sure they are loaded with talent ! Another head scratcher for Browns fans. Mingo is classic boom or bust.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 27, 2013, 10:26:46 PM
I'm liking what Da Bears are doing in this draft. Linebacker looked a big weakness when the got rid of Roach and didn't re-sign Urlacher but now there's a lot of talent there. The terrible O-line troubles have been addressed - there will be serious competition for all spots now - produce or go. Some holes still but a decent offseason so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 28, 2013, 12:56:53 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 27, 2013, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
Intriguing pick by Niners taking Marcus Lattimore, could be a great pick if he recovers fully from the knee injury.

Beautiful scenario for the 49ers. They have so many picks and so few needs they can take risks like this. If this works out it will be great for them and they are one of the few who could afford to take the risk.
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2013, 07:27:35 PM
Intriguing pick by Niners taking Marcus Lattimore, could be a great pick if he recovers fully from the knee injury.

Really impressed with the 49ers dealing in the draft from what knowledge I have. Money going on now. Also Kansas for dark horse to make Play-offs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 28, 2013, 05:04:41 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 27, 2013, 10:26:46 PM
I'm liking what Da Bears are doing in this draft.

Their first round pick was a real dodgy one. High pick with very little football behind him.

That said haven't kept an eye on their later picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on April 28, 2013, 03:00:12 PM
Intriguing draft by Raiders. Shafted on the 1st round trade down by the Dolphins but still picked up potentially the best CB in the draft.

The English lad Watson could be a real star based on his physical / athletic ability but has only 20 or so actuall games under his belt.

Tyler Wilson was flying under the radar after a poor season but could be the next Favre.

Prob still not enough for a winning season but a move in the right direction.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 29, 2013, 01:29:44 PM
Tebow released by Jets.

Wonder will there be any takers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on April 29, 2013, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 29, 2013, 01:29:44 PM
Tebow released by Jets.

Wonder will there be any takers?

Somebody will probably give him another chance but looks like he could well be out of football entirely in not too distant future.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2013, 04:42:41 PM
Injury-riddled Lakers swept by the Spurs in the first round of playoffs. They've had their problems all season long and losing a player of Kobe's ability (regardless of opinions of him) at end of season would hurt any team. The acquisition of Howard and Nash was supposed to make them a contender again but this season has been an unmitigated disaster.

Durant came up big for the Thunder the other night in Westbrook's absence. Can't see them outlasting the Spurs without him and even if Durant manages it somehow, they'll have no hope against the Heat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on April 29, 2013, 05:15:11 PM
Big news on the twittersphere - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/).

Once again the GAA is ahead of the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 29, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
It's been a transformative few years in the US with respect to gay rights. Collins is just the first active athlete who will go public. Good to see prejudice being faced down!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 29, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
way to go Mike Wallace

(http://i.imgur.com/47ZVaVR.png)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 29, 2013, 07:41:26 PM
The phrase 'ill advised' springs to mind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 29, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
way to go Mike Wallace

(http://i.imgur.com/47ZVaVR.png)

Absolutely golden.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 29, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 29, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
way to go Mike Wallace

(http://i.imgur.com/47ZVaVR.png)

Absolutely golden.


I don't understand that either, so now if you think homosexuality is wrong you are castigated as a bigot, how is that right?

Fair play to Collins for coming out but haven't American sports stars done than in the past? Navratilova & BJK spring to mind.

Given that two wemen have done it in the past is it not wrong to hold Collin's up as some sort of hero when two aul dolls did it back in the 70's? Gender equality and all that! :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
Quote from: stew on April 29, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 29, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
way to go Mike Wallace

(http://i.imgur.com/47ZVaVR.png)

Absolutely golden.


I don't understand that either, so now if you think homosexuality is wrong you are castigated as a bigot, how is that right?

Fair play to Collins for coming out but haven't American sports stars done than in the past? Navratilova & BJK spring to mind.

Given that two wemen have done it in the past is it not wrong to hold Collin's up as some sort of hero when two aul dolls did it back in the 70's? Gender equality and all that! :P

I just love Mike's simple logic. He comes across as a pretty harmless fella who loves the ladies, not a bigot. It tells you more about him than about the issue.

Huge difference between a woman coming out and a man, though, that much should be as read.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 30, 2013, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: stew on April 29, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 29, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
way to go Mike Wallace

(http://i.imgur.com/47ZVaVR.png)

Absolutely golden.


I don't understand that either, so now if you think homosexuality is wrong you are castigated as a bigot, how is that right?

Fair play to Collins for coming out but haven't American sports stars done than in the past? Navratilova & BJK spring to mind.

Given that two wemen have done it in the past is it not wrong to hold Collin's up as some sort of hero when two aul dolls did it back in the 70's? Gender equality and all that! :P

BJK was outed after her career was over, she didn't come out. Big difference.

You are of course right - you and anyone else who believes homosexuality is wrong are the story and the victims here.  :-\

Those who doth protest too much often have something to hide themselves. You sure you're not hiding anything, Stew?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 30, 2013, 08:03:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 30, 2013, 06:06:14 PM
Quote from: stew on April 29, 2013, 09:06:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 29, 2013, 07:42:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 29, 2013, 07:28:16 PM
way to go Mike Wallace

(http://i.imgur.com/47ZVaVR.png)

Absolutely golden.


I don't understand that either, so now if you think homosexuality is wrong you are castigated as a bigot, how is that right?

Fair play to Collins for coming out but haven't American sports stars done than in the past? Navratilova & BJK spring to mind.

Given that two wemen have done it in the past is it not wrong to hold Collin's up as some sort of hero when two aul dolls did it back in the 70's? Gender equality and all that! :P

BJK was outed after her career was over, she didn't come out. Big difference.

You are of course right - you and anyone else who believes homosexuality is wrong are the story and the victims here.  :-\

Those who doth protest too much often have something to hide themselves. You sure you're not hiding anything, Stew?

Dont put words in my mouth, I don't understand how one man can be attracted to another, it is alien to me and I will never get it.

As for me hiding anything, that is not my form gallsman so good try.

Finally, just because I dont get it does not mean I dont wish Collins and others in his situation well, they are human beings and deserve  to walk the streets without fear of being both ostracized and outed, to be yourself is a fundamental human right and I wish him all the best and hope he lives his life the way he wants to going forward.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 04, 2013, 01:03:01 AM
NBA Eastern Conference Finals Game Seven tonight. This is when things get really good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 10, 2013, 10:09:23 PM
QuoteEd Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2m
Just filed to ESPN: The Patriots are signing QB Tim Tebow and expect him to be in minicamp tomorrow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 10, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
This Tebow to the Patriots is going to be very interesting. Special team shenanigans? Tight End option with Gronk and Hernandez' injury problems? Short yardage TD vulture? It's sure to be a circus but one Belichick will use to his advantage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 11, 2013, 07:47:48 AM
Wow that'a a surprise alright
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 11, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
The Hoodie has praised him since college and this was one of the few situations where a coach was confident enough in his position and that of his starter that he had the good sense to take a chance on such an intriguing player. He'll start out as QB3 but Ryan Malett will be under real preassure from now on. Tebow can moonlight on special teams but the key for them is grooming him into valuable trade bait or, if everything goes very well, Tebow taking over from Brady when he retires.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on June 11, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
Thought he's just signed a training camp contract, he might not last long yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 11, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: ballinaman on June 11, 2013, 01:11:46 PM
Thought he's just signed a training camp contract, he might not last long yet.

You don't sign Tebow unless you feel he's going to make the team. McDaniels drafted him, remember, and his contract will have no guaranteed money so I don't see him not making the roster.

NE kills the circus so there's pretty much no reason for them not to hold on to him as a project for the season, if not longer. You're hardly going to find a better qualified QB3, now are you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2013, 01:23:45 PM
I cannot see Timbow being a QB in the NFL. He just can't throw the ball consistently. Now he may be able to fix that with a lot of work, but he doesn't make the reads either. I think he could be an excellent goal line threat, as an option type QB/Runner, but I can't see the Pats putting their franchise in the hands of a nice lad who can't throw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on June 11, 2013, 01:32:15 PM
The Pats will have all types of trick plays involving Tebow for their Jets games this year.  Belichick loves nothing more than winding up the Jets, a Tebow pass to Brady for a TD would be a nice one to start of with :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 11, 2013, 04:45:08 PM
(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/boston-herald-tim-tebow-cover-594x623.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on June 11, 2013, 04:55:45 PM
That's the front page? Good God is right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on June 11, 2013, 08:47:26 PM
This Tebow move doesn't make sense to me.  If he comes in for a spell and you have good coverage then it is a trick or run play. I don't think the Patriots need help in this area. I don't understand it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 19, 2013, 07:47:18 AM
Looked like a great game last night, Ray Allen forcing OT with a 3 with 5 seconds to go. Can't see the Spurs winning game 7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 19, 2013, 07:57:10 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2013, 07:47:18 AM
Looked like a great game last night, Ray Allen forcing OT with a 3 with 5 seconds to go. Can't see the Spurs winning game 7.
A lot of arsehole fans were leaving thinking they were beaten and were not allowed back in for OT. Proper order.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 19, 2013, 08:15:00 AM
Great comeback from Miami.Spurs had a 10 point lead going into the final quarter but the key was James stepping it up while Tim Duncan who had a great 1st half couldn't maintain his performance.Would strongly fancy the Heat now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 19, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
Some 3 pointer from Allen. Heat will be faves alright
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 19, 2013, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Declan on June 19, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
Some 3 pointer from Allen. Heat will be faves alright

They are almost 1/3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 19, 2013, 04:34:49 PM
Spurs must be sick. They had the game in the palm of their hands and were seconds away from winning. One missed shot or even had they won one last rebound it would have been enough. Popovich is the best coach in basketball but he took Tim Duncan (their best player and best rebounder) out of the game with the Spurs 5 points up and only 28 seconds left to play. The Heat actually missed their first shot both times but with Duncan on the bench they won both offensive rebounds and James and Allen drained the resulting desperation 3 point shots to tie the game. Leonard also missed 1 of 2 free-throws near the end. Even that one extra point would have been enough. Popovich justified benching Duncan saying that they had their usual personnel on the floor for defending the 3 point shot but it was not winning either of those last two rebounds that cost them. Duncan would surely have won at least one of them.

Hard to see the Spurs coming back from that kick in the balls. Knowing you had it won and let it slip away. Although if any team can put in behind them quickly it's the Spurs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 19, 2013, 06:59:27 PM
amazing game 6 - edge of the seat stuff. Screaming at the TV ha. Amazing 3 from Allen as said above. Shocked at some of LBJ's misses and giveaways....
Can't wait for Game 7 to see if this back and forth battle is more of the same or a walk over as has been some of the games.
Hoping the Heat take it for me old mate Jim in the Bahamas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 19, 2013, 11:04:59 PM
Unfortunately means I'm going to have to get up to watch Game 7! Horrible no call on Ginobili. Phenomenal 3 from Allen to send it to overtime.

Timmy D had 30 with 4.30 left to go in the third. Blew up and didn't score again. LeBron was huge in the 4th. The 3 he made right after a horrible airball from a much easier opportunity was unreal.

Game 7 is up for grabs. Heat haven't won two in a row since the Chicago series and the Spurs' old heads must be absolutely exhausted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 19, 2013, 11:34:02 PM
The road team hasn't won a Game Seven in NBA Finals since 1978.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 20, 2013, 06:54:12 PM
Thanks a lot, minder.  Just darkened my day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 20, 2013, 07:06:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 19, 2013, 11:34:02 PM
The road team hasn't won a Game Seven in NBA Finals since 1978.

Simmons wrote a bit about this a few days ago. Since switching to the 2-3-2 format in '84, no home that has trailed 3-2 has ever lost Game 7 after winning Game 6. Really, really hoping it happens tonight! As incredible and deserving of glory as LBJ is, I cannot and will never warm to him. He flops as bad as anybody in the NBA, he pleads and demands for fouls to be called that even he doesn't believe occurred and he can't help but mock and stare down those he routinely posterizes. None of that is unique to LBJ of course but when contrasted against Duncan, as a neutral there's only one team to be shouting for!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on June 21, 2013, 09:47:19 AM
Anyone see it live? - Have it recorded to watch over the weekend. Looks like they just about deserved it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on June 21, 2013, 10:04:46 AM
Whats going on in NE. Aaron Hernandez implicated in a murder, Gronkowski out after surgery.

Tebow at TE?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 21, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Gutted for the Spurs. The way they blew game 6 will live with them for a long time. Even though some of the older players already have multiple titles. Even in game 7 last night they were right in it until the very end when it would have been easy for them to fold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 21, 2013, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 21, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Gutted for the Spurs. The way they blew game 6 will live with them for a long time. Even though some of the older players already have multiple titles. Even in game 7 last night they were right in it until the very end when it would have been easy for them to fold.

Aye me too, wanted Duncan to win another title. One of the greatest players of all time and you hardly hear a peep from him. You knew after Game 6 they were done for. James is an unbelievable player but its hard to warm to him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 21, 2013, 01:49:22 PM
QuoteMIAMI – It was unfamiliar territory for a very mournful-looking Tim Duncan. Hard for the San Antonio Spurs forward to verbalize. It'll likely be even harder to cope with later on, especially if he never gets back to the NBA Finals.

Duncan and the Spurs had to win just one of two games to claim the 2013 NBA championship. One victory for a fifth title. Instead, the Spurs' franchise cornerstone tasted defeat for the first time in the NBA Finals after a deciding 95-88 loss to the Miami Heat in Game 7 on Thursday night.

"Missing a layup to tie the game," Duncan recalled. "Making a bad decision down the stretch. Just unable to stop Dwyane [Wade] and LeBron [James]. Game 7 is always going to haunt me."

No one will question Duncan's effort and play as he finished Game 7 with a team-high 24 points, 12 rebounds and four steals while sitting for only five minutes. But he could care less about what the box score said. What pained him were his last two short post-shot attempts that didn't fall when they were desperately needed to keep San Antonio alive.

The Spurs were down 90-88 when Miami's Mario Chalmers gave them a huge break by missing two free throws. The ball ended up in the 6-foot-11, 255-pound Duncan's hands in the post with the Heat's slender 6-8, 220-pound Shane Battier guarding him. Odds for one of the greatest post players in NBA history looked good. Real good.

But Duncan missed a 4-foot hook shot and a put-back lay-in. Afterward, the typically stoic big man slid out of character by slapping the floor with both hands in frustration and then hanging his head in disappointment. The Heat scored the last five points to repeat as NBA champions.

"That's [frustration] out of me just missing a bunny," Duncan said. "Got by Shane and had a layup to tie the game."

Said Battier: "That's a shot Tim Duncan usually makes eight out of ten times. For whatever reason that shot didn't drop right then. I'm very thankful. It wasn't because of my defense. Just missed it."

Spurs guard Manu Ginobili said the nightmarish Game 6 overtime loss haunted him until the finale arrived. Ginobili said that the loss will bring him pain the rest of his life – a feeling Duncan surely now shares with his teammate.

"To be in a Game 6 up one and two chances to win an NBA championship and not do it, that's tough to swallow," Duncan said.

About the only good news for the Spurs was Duncan saying he will honor his contract. The 37-year-old is slated to make $10.3 million in each of the next two seasons and said he wasn't retiring. That certainly means coach Gregg Popovich will be back, too. Duncan, however, had no clue if Ginobili will ever play for the Spurs again.

Ginobili will be a free agent this summer and mentioned after struggling in the first four Finals games that he is contemplating retirement. The Argentinean turns 36 on July 28. His departure would be the beginning of the end to the Spurs' storied star trio that includes Duncan, himself and Parker.

When asked if he would address if he would retire or not, Ginobili said: "No, it's not the moment. I'm very disappointed, very upset. I really can't say anything."

Even if Ginobili heads home to Argentina for good, Duncan and Spurs have the talent to get back to the Finals next year. The emergence of starting small forward Kawhi Leonard as a budding star, the stellar shooting of 3-point specialist Danny Green and an evolving true center in Tiago Splitter give San Antonio a young and solid nucleus around Duncan and Parker. Reserve forward Boris Diaw likes playing for San Antonio and will likely exercise a $4.6 million option to return next season if the interest is reciprocated, a source said.

Duncan has everything by Finals standards, with four NBA titles and three Finals MVP awards. But after losing in the title series for the first time, he is also now dealing with a unique pain. That pain can only be soothed with another championship run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 21, 2013, 04:33:41 PM
Happy enough to see the heat win. Not necessarily for LBJ but for D-Wade and Ray Allen, yes.
Great team performance overall. Wade was solid, Battier was a surprise and LBJ stepped up as expected. Defensively they were much more aggressive and deserved the game and the series.
Was hard on Duncan (gent of the highest), he missed some shocking ones when it counted most in the 4th. The Mrs (Knicks fan) was watching with me and commented that the Spurs were too ugly to win then she seen Chris Bosh and said he should join the spurs...
Thoroughly enjoyed the season. Although the Celtics weren't even knocking at the door and there is talk of Big KG and Doc Rivers being sold - the rebuild is underway and I'm looking forward to the draft!
Some NFL around the corner....

Was wondering for you lads that have the XBOX and PS3 - have you tried ordering the Sunday Ticket for all the NFL games? I have heard the Sunday Ticket is free with XBOX Madden 25..... not a bad buy.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 21, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
Has it been rolled out for the rest of the world? If it's still only the US version of Madden 25 you'll need a good proxy service to get it working, something like TunnelBear.

It's only with the $99 anniversary edition, it should be said, and it's available on both PS3 and 360. PS3 is region free so you can get the US version no worries and play it. If you're getting Madden anyways and don't have Sky Sports it's probably the way to go for cheap NFL access, even with paying for a good proxy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 21, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
in the US you can buy Sunday Ticket for $145 for the year through the PS3. unfortunately it is NOT available with Madden 25 from what I understand. Only on the XBOX.
The ordinary Sunday Ticket through DirecTV is $299 so a good deal in my book through the PS3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 21, 2013, 10:17:08 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 21, 2013, 09:10:15 PM
in the US you can buy Sunday Ticket for $145 for the year through the PS3. unfortunately it is NOT available with Madden 25 from what I understand. Only on the XBOX.
The ordinary Sunday Ticket through DirecTV is $299 so a good deal in my book through the PS3.

Pretty sure it was both when I checked, it's an Amazon exclusive.

..and this confirms it: http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/17/limited-amazon-exclusive-madden-25-special-edition-includes-free/ (http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/17/limited-amazon-exclusive-madden-25-special-edition-includes-free/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 26, 2013, 03:47:40 PM
Aaron Hernandez arrested earlier - and the Pats have released him.

Must be serious if they did that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 26, 2013, 04:09:03 PM
No word on the charge yet. Must be bad if the Patriots cut him loose so quickly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 26, 2013, 04:09:38 PM
Tebow as a tight end...?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on June 26, 2013, 04:10:55 PM
I understand there's a more important issue in the arrest but it fairly screws up the Pats offence for next year. With Welker and Hernandez gone and Gronk a major injury doubt, New England will likely have to revamp that side of the ball again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 26, 2013, 04:31:26 PM
Well, luckily for them, the AFC East is utter shite!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 26, 2013, 06:58:18 PM
He's implicated in a murder isn't he?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2013, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 26, 2013, 04:10:55 PM
I understand there's a more important issue in the arrest but it fairly screws up the Pats offence for next year. With Welker and Hernandez gone and Gronk a major injury doubt, New England will likely have to revamp that side of the ball again

Can see them leaning on the RB's Ridley and Vereen a bit more than they expected to. Apart from Amendola all their other receivers are either veterans they picked up in free agency or inexperienced rookies. If Gronk stays healthy I think they'll be fine but they are really dependent on him now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 26, 2013, 07:16:33 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2013, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 26, 2013, 04:10:55 PM
I understand there's a more important issue in the arrest but it fairly screws up the Pats offence for next year. With Welker and Hernandez gone and Gronk a major injury doubt, New England will likely have to revamp that side of the ball again

Can see them leaning on the RB's Ridley and Vereen a bit more than they expected to. Apart from Amendola all their other receivers are either veterans they picked up in free agency or inexperienced rookies. If Gronk stays healthy I think they'll be fine but they are really dependent on him now.

Amendola has a chequered past with injury too. A very toxic concoction when you add in releasing Hernandez has left the Patriots hamstrung with more than $12 million in dead cap over the next two years.

Imagine if someone got a good clip at Brady's knee this season..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 26, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
QuoteAaron Hernandez faces 6 charges, as disclosed during his arraignment. 5 gun charges, 1 charge of murder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 26, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
Sounds like an ideal fit for the Raiders' bad boy image.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 26, 2013, 08:07:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2013, 06:58:18 PM
He's implicated in a murder isn't he?

Charged with it now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 26, 2013, 10:03:35 PM
@WesleyLowery (Boston Globe reporter) To be clear: DA's saying #hernandez shot Lloyd three times right after Lloyd got out of the car. Then stood over him & put two in his chest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on June 26, 2013, 10:05:56 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 26, 2013, 07:13:25 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on June 26, 2013, 04:10:55 PM
I understand there's a more important issue in the arrest but it fairly screws up the Pats offence for next year. With Welker and Hernandez gone and Gronk a major injury doubt, New England will likely have to revamp that side of the ball again

Can see them leaning on the RB's Ridley and Vereen a bit more than they expected to. Apart from Amendola all their other receivers are either veterans they picked up in free agency or inexperienced rookies. If Gronk stays healthy I think they'll be fine but they are really dependent on him now.

Yeah so could I but Brady didn't get to be one of the best QB's of all time by handing the ball off. Still Bellicheck always seems to have a plan. Dolphins will really fancy their chances now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 27, 2013, 01:58:56 PM
A brief outline of the alleged timeline and evidence against Hernandez here: http://www.boston.com/news/2013/06/27/texts-video-cited-charges-against-hernandez/o6Mxq7BkYu5wvwSuRsnkyJ/singlepage.html  (http://www.boston.com/news/2013/06/27/texts-video-cited-charges-against-hernandez/o6Mxq7BkYu5wvwSuRsnkyJ/singlepage.html)

If what is reported there is true, this guy is as thick as two planks! Arrogant in very dumb way as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on June 27, 2013, 03:08:27 PM
Just crazy from Hernandez - I listened in on a discussion last night among some football fans where it was asserted that this is the 3rd time he has been in the midst of a murder investigation (not sure how reliable this info was).

Read a comment this morning that he is going to go in as a tight end and come out as a wide receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on June 27, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
God knows how he thought he was going to get away with it. He left a trail of evidence behind him that Inspector Clouseau could follow. Guess a lot of these lads are not the brightest away from the football field. What an utterly dumb way to end someone else's life and completely ruin your own.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on July 14, 2013, 10:37:28 PM
Something to look forward to next year lads . How would these teams rate in College Football ?


American football game to be held in Croke Park

The University of Central Florida (UCF) will face Penn State in the Croke Park Classic on August 30 next year.
It will be the first time the teams have played outside the United States.
Paraic Duffy, GAA director general, said the 2014 season opener will be a hugely significant event for Croke Park and Ireland.
"Irish people are renowned for their love of sport as evidenced by the thousands who attend our games throughout the year," he said.
"I have no doubt that this game will be every bit as attractive."
UCF coach George O'Leary and Penn State director of athletics Dave Joyner announced the fixture at the Leinster senior football championship final between Dublin and Meath.
The last American football game hosted in Croke Park was in 1996 when Notre Dame defeated Navy.
And almost 50,000 fans were back in Dublin last year when both teams played at the Aviva.

Organisers believe the fixture added some 100 million euro to the Irish economy as well as contributing to the nearly 15% growth in American visitors.
Tourism and Sport Minister Leo Varadkar said next year's match will be a fantastic event for Croke Park and for Ireland.
"It's great news for sports fans, for the GAA and the wider economy," he added.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on July 14, 2013, 11:29:40 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 14, 2013, 10:37:28 PM
Something to look forward to next year lads . How would these teams rate in College Football ?


American football game to be held in Croke Park

The University of Central Florida (UCF) will face Penn State in the Croke Park Classic on August 30 next year.
It will be the first time the teams have played outside the United States.
Paraic Duffy, GAA director general, said the 2014 season opener will be a hugely significant event for Croke Park and Ireland.
"Irish people are renowned for their love of sport as evidenced by the thousands who attend our games throughout the year," he said.
"I have no doubt that this game will be every bit as attractive."
UCF coach George O'Leary and Penn State director of athletics Dave Joyner announced the fixture at the Leinster senior football championship final between Dublin and Meath.
The last American football game hosted in Croke Park was in 1996 when Notre Dame defeated Navy.
And almost 50,000 fans were back in Dublin last year when both teams played at the Aviva.

Organisers believe the fixture added some 100 million euro to the Irish economy as well as contributing to the nearly 15% growth in American visitors.
Tourism and Sport Minister Leo Varadkar said next year's match will be a fantastic event for Croke Park and for Ireland.
"It's great news for sports fans, for the GAA and the wider economy," he added.

Penn State were/are top three in terms of revenue and eyeballs in college football. Before the Sandusky scandal Joe Pa was an un-reproachable figure in college football. They've got hamstrung slightly with sanctions as a result of the scandal but are still competitive. UCF are just a mid-tier college taking a knee and giving up a home game, far too much money is at stake for Penn State to give one up, same went for Notre Dame last year.

It'll be interesting to see how we promote this locally because tickets will be in plentiful supply this time with it in Croke Park. A success here and we'll have made it as a destination for college ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 16, 2013, 08:46:20 AM
It seems strange to me. Unless Penn State come in big numbers, I can't see how Croker would fill. The Aviva would have made more sense again. UCF would be a pretty minor college in the scheme of things, but Penn State would be one of the great old names of the Big 10 and college football. The Sandusky scandal has damaged them a lot, but I suppose this trip will give their fans a reason to travel to a party type game, as they are banned from bowl games for a few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on July 16, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 16, 2013, 08:46:20 AM
It seems strange to me. Unless Penn State come in big numbers, I can't see how Croker would fill. The Aviva would have made more sense again. UCF would be a pretty minor college in the scheme of things, but Penn State would be one of the great old names of the Big 10 and college football. The Sandusky scandal has damaged them a lot, but I suppose this trip will give their fans a reason to travel to a party type game, as they are banned from bowl games for a few years.

I wonder what their projections are. That'll be what defines whether it's a success or a failure rather than the size of the ground. You could always close off the top tier if you don't think you'll pass 50k. It might be that Croke Park under-cut the Aviva's rental price to secure the game, and that would be a shrewd piece of business by the GAA because this could end up being an event with a very long tail.

Tickets sold out for the game last year very fast because so many where taken by Notre Dame fans and other Irish-Americans. I doubt you'll get as many Penn State fans over given they don't have as strong a link with Ireland as ND do but Dublin is hugely appealing to Americans and is one of the big party cities in the world so it still should draw a sizeable influx of fans.

It shouldn't be hard to get tickets for this one so a big push to get a decent local turn-out seems to be in order.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2013, 06:55:08 PM
Was just talking to a fooball mad co-worker here. I asked him why they picked Penn State to travel to Dublin. His answer was "Lots of Rich Alumni, lots of past and present NFL player alumni".

Maybe that factors into the decision, who knows?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on July 16, 2013, 06:58:26 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on July 16, 2013, 06:55:08 PM
Was just talking to a fooball mad co-worker here. I asked him why they picked Penn State to travel to Dublin. His answer was "Lots of Rich Alumni, lots of past and present NFL player alumni".

Maybe that factors into the decision, who knows?

Who's 'they'? It's UCF and Penn State that picked themselves and decided to vet locations in Dublin, likely on the back of the huge success of the ND-Navy game last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on July 16, 2013, 07:05:45 PM
Well there you go then!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 17, 2013, 01:33:04 PM
Isn't the "Irish" link with Notre Dame is quite tenuos, nickname apart?

Penn State is a big name and with no bowl games as AZ mentioned, this make more and more sense. Hard to see them getting 80k but 50k+ should be very attainable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 17, 2013, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 17, 2013, 01:33:04 PM
Isn't the "Irish" link with Notre Dame is quite tenuos, nickname apart?

Penn State is a big name and with no bowl games as AZ mentioned, this make more and more sense. Hard to see them getting 80k but 50k+ should be very attainable.

The historical legacy is, unsurprisingly, French. However, over time I think the Irish link has been kind of self-fulfilling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 17, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
True. It's catholic, and catholic means a lot of Irish in the states. Which has become self fulfilling in that way. I think I heard that the name the 'Fighting Irish' came from an incident where a lad was giving out to a bunch of players for not trying hard, saying that they should be fighting more, and with your Irish surnames ye should be well able to fight.

Whatever the origins, they've certainly taken it to heart.

I'd say probably Boston College is the most Irish college in the states in reality.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 17, 2013, 02:53:25 PM
There's lots of stories about the name - the most prevelant one that the-then president of the university was a chaplain of the Irish Brigade in the Union Army at the Battle of Gettysburg in the 1860's
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 23, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
New Sports Illustrated NFL website headed up by Peter King, looks really good.

http://mmqb.si.com/


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on August 06, 2013, 09:32:01 AM
Anyone been following the Biogenesis scandal in Baseball? A-Rod banned yesterday for 211 games, which puts him out through the end of next season.

Ban effective from Thursday, so he made his season debut last night and is appealing, so could conceivably play the rest of this season.

Seems the tide of public opinion (and perhaps more importantly the players' union) is finally turning against the cheats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 06, 2013, 09:32:01 AM
Anyone been following the Biogenesis scandal in Baseball? A-Rod banned yesterday for 211 games, which puts him out through the end of next season.

Ban effective from Thursday, so he made his season debut last night and is appealing, so could conceivably play the rest of this season.

Seems the tide of public opinion (and perhaps more importantly the players' union) is finally turning against the cheats.

The way I heard it the Yankees would love it if A-Rod retired as his inflated $100+ million contract would be voided, crazy money for a fella nearing 40.

Braun ratting out the rest to save his skin means A-Rod doesn't have much hope of over- turning the ban. Out-thought on all fronts, it seems.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: NAG1 on August 06, 2013, 12:34:44 PM
Money made and not a matter of doesnt care but could live without the big contract. Probably not the way he saw his career ending if it is the case but all the same he is one of the richest sports people out there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on August 06, 2013, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 06, 2013, 12:32:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on August 06, 2013, 09:32:01 AM
Anyone been following the Biogenesis scandal in Baseball? A-Rod banned yesterday for 211 games, which puts him out through the end of next season.

Ban effective from Thursday, so he made his season debut last night and is appealing, so could conceivably play the rest of this season.

Seems the tide of public opinion (and perhaps more importantly the players' union) is finally turning against the cheats.

The way I heard it the Yankees would love it if A-Rod retired as his inflated $100+ million contract would be voided, crazy money for a fella nearing 40.

Braun ratting out the rest to save his skin means A-Rod doesn't have much hope of over- turning the ban. Out-thought on all fronts, it seems.

The Yankees would absolutely be over the moon if the contract was voided and I absolutely believe they've helped out MLB in whatever way they can.

Did Braun rat the rest of them out? By all accounts Braun was ready to take them on again (he got off a positive test on a technicality last year) but when presented with the evidence, couldn't wait to fall over himself to make a deal and has got off very lightly with a 65 game ban. He ludicrously even gets to keep his MVP award from 2011.

A-Rod apparently tried to make a deal late in the game but Selig was said to be furious with his press conference on Friday and they were determined to suspend him for as long as possible. There were a few rumours that MLB would push for a lifetime ban but they wouldn't have the jurisdiction for it and it would have been too much for the MLBPA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 06, 2013, 09:49:00 PM
It is great to see these cheats getting caught out eventually. Better late than never.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on August 06, 2013, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 06, 2013, 09:49:00 PM
It is great to see these cheats getting caught out eventually. Better late than never.

The worrying thing is that they were caught by a leak from a disgruntled employee of the clinic, not drug testers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on August 06, 2013, 11:39:39 PM
Manning brothers love it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5zytfm9No
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 09, 2013, 02:33:42 AM
Stop the season now.  Browns over the Rams 20-10 at the half.  It's our Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 16, 2013, 01:32:56 AM
Early in 2nd qtr, Browns beating Lions 17-0. Pre-season but beggars can't be choosers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 16, 2013, 01:44:48 AM
Browns lead 17-3 at the half.  Now the 2nd & 3rd stringers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 16, 2013, 03:55:19 AM
Browns win 24-6.  Lot of big injuries, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 12:54:04 PM
I think Browns will be decent this year, maybe 7-9. Hoping for 8-8 for the Cardinals as well. Palmer is definitely an upgrade on anything at QB (as is Stanton at backup). Fitz, Floyd and Roberts are three good receivers, and Rob Hausler can also be effective at End in the passing game.

They've done a lot of work on the O-Line as well, which should be an awful lot better.
Not so sure about running back, unfortunately. Rashard Mendenhall might be great or a complete bust. Ryan Williams is too injury prone. Interesting rookie there at #3 in the depth chart is Stepfan Taylor, the rookie from Stanford. He ran hard for Stanford last year, in a hard running team.

Defense should be okay as well. The backend should be okay with Yeremiah Bell, a FA from the Jets at Safety, and Tyronn Matthie (the Honey BAdger from LSU) competing with Rashad Johnson at the other safety spot. Cornerback Patrick Peterson seems to be maturing nicely and teh other starting Corner should be Jarraud Powers or Antoine Cason. They have good competition behind them too.

The linebackers should be young and hard hitting, Sam Acho was a great rookie. Karlos Dansby is covering for Daryl Washington but when Washington returns he will pick it up. Kevin Minter is wowing people at training camp, hitting like a lunatic. He played well against Green Bay's 1s as well. The front 3 in the 3-4 should be Calais Campbell and Darnell Dockett at ends (huge men) and Dan Wiliams on the inside stuffing the run.

It looks great on paper, but you know injuries and the unexpected will happen, but I still hope for at least 8 wins in a very, very tough division.

The Cardinals Starting line up figures to be....

Offense

Left Tackle - Levi Brown 7 year vet out of Penn State (Returning)
Left Guard - Johnathan Cooper Rookie (1st Round out of North Carolina )
Centre - Lyle Sendlein 7 year vet out of Texas (Returning)
Right Guard Daryn Colledge - 8 year vet out of Boise State (Returning)
Right Tackle - Eric Winston 8 year vet out of Miami (signed from Kansas City)

Tight End - Rob Housler 3 year vet out of Florida Atlantic (Returning)
Tight End - Jeff King 8 year vet out of Virginia Tech (Returning)

WR1 - Larry Fitzgerald - 10 year vet out of Pittsburgh (Returning)
WR2 - Michael Floyd - second year out of Notre Dame (Returning)

RB - Rashard Mendenhall - 6 year vet out of Illinois (Signed from the Steelers)

QB - Carson Palmer - 11 year vet out of USC (signed from the Raidas)

I still think we'll see a lot more 12 formation (1 TE and 2 RBs including Taylor or Williams) as well as 3 and 4 wide receiver sets with Roberts instead of King.

Defense looks good in a 3-4 it should be

DE - Calais Campbell - 6 year vet out of Miami (Returning)
NT - Dan Williams - 4 year vet out of Tennessee (Returning)
DE - Darnell Dockett - 10 year vet out of Florida State (Returning)

Strongside Linebacker - Sam Acho - 3 year guy out of Texas (Returning)
Inside Linebacker - Jasper Brinkley - 5 year vet out of South Carolina (Signed from the Vikings)
Inside  Linebacker - Karlos Dansby - 10 year vet out of Auburn (Signed back from the Dolphins)
Weakside Linebacker - Lorenzo Alexander - 7 year vet out of Cal (Signed from the Redskins)

LCB - Patrick Peterson - 3 year man out of LSU (Returning)
RCB - Jerraud Powers - 5 year vet out of Auburn (Signed from the Colts)
Strong Safety - Yeremiah Bell - 10 year vet out of Eastern Kentucky (Signed from the JETS)
Free Safety - Rashad Johnson - 5 year vet out of Alabama (Returning)

I'm excited and ready :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on August 16, 2013, 01:32:06 PM
I heard that NBC now have rights to show EPL games.  Will this affect other American games' popularity?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 16, 2013, 01:32:06 PM
I heard that NBC now have rights to show EPL games.  Will this affect other American games' popularity?

You mean NFL? Not a hope.

Baseball is currently in a bit of trouble I feel. The NFL is an absolute bohemoth, and NCAA football is also enormous. I read somewhere that the NFL Pro Bowl (Which is a joke of game the NFL are embarassed about) had more viewers than any of the NBA playoff games apart from some of the finals themselves, more than all Stanley Cup games, more than MLB world series games. It's huge and showing soccer will not affect that, certainly in the short term.

I've seen soccer emerge in the US markets, but while it is a game played by many, and a generation are growing up playing it, and there is access to EPL soccer on cable over there, I've not seen anything that would make me think it is going to dominate the way it does in other parts of the world. It may well threaten Hockey for the #4 spot.

Look at this, it's frightening if you are an administrator of MLB, NBA or NHL. The top 100 sports broadcasts in 2012 for men aged 25-50+ AND men aged 18-49 had

1-20 ALL NFL programmes *including those pre and post game shows for the superbowl!* and about 60 of the top 100.  The Olympics were on as well that year.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M18-49_Top-100-Sports.pdf (http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M18-49_Top-100-Sports.pdf)
http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M25-54_Top-100-Sports.pdf (http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M25-54_Top-100-Sports.pdf)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 16, 2013, 02:21:09 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 16, 2013, 01:32:06 PM
I heard that NBC now have rights to show EPL games.  Will this affect other American games' popularity?

Are you serious?

Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 16, 2013, 01:32:06 PM
I heard that NBC now have rights to show EPL games.  Will this affect other American games' popularity?

You mean NFL? Not a hope.

Baseball is currently in a bit of trouble I feel. The NFL is an absolute bohemoth, and NCAA football is also enormous. I read somewhere that the NFL Pro Bowl (Which is a joke of game the NFL are embarassed about) had more viewers than any of the NBA playoff games apart from some of the finals themselves, more than all Stanley Cup games, more than MLB world series games. It's huge and showing soccer will not affect that, certainly in the short term.

I've seen soccer emerge in the US markets, but while it is a game played by many, and a generation are growing up playing it, and there is access to EPL soccer on cable over there, I've not seen anything that would make me think it is going to dominate the way it does in other parts of the world. It may well threaten Hockey for the #4 spot.

Look at this, it's frightening if you are an administrator of MLB, NBA or NHL. The top 100 sports broadcasts in 2012 for men aged 25-50+ AND men aged 18-49 had

1-20 ALL NFL programmes *including those pre and post game shows for the superbowl!* and about 60 of the top 100.  The Olympics were on as well that year.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M18-49_Top-100-Sports.pdf (http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M18-49_Top-100-Sports.pdf)
http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M25-54_Top-100-Sports.pdf (http://www.tvb.org/media/file/2012_M25-54_Top-100-Sports.pdf)

The NBA is flying. You have to remember that the NBA has an 82-game regular season while the NFL is only 16-game, and their play-offs are straight knockout rather than series. The arenas are far smaller too. Of course the raw ratings will always be higher. I doubt they give a shite what ratings the NFL get in November or Janurary when their play-offs are nestled away in June in the NFL's off-season.

Coupled with the presence of some all-time superstars the NBA is going from strength to strength right now. They shouldn't be grouped with MLB and the NHL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 02:39:33 PM
NFL is always, always, higher than the NBA. It is the number 1 sport in the USA by a mile. All you have to do is look at the attention that things like the draft get in the states, which falls right in the middle of the NBA playoffs. I consume American sports year round thanks to t'internet, and I can tell you that even in the midst of the NBA's playoffs, NFL news and talk gets just as much attention apart from those days when the games are actually on. The amount of news about Free Agent signings, injuries, coaching changes, drafts, the Combine, etc etc etc means that the NFL is never really out of the US consciousness.

Having said that, the NBA is doing very well, you are right, but the facts are that in 2011/2012, full year, the top 50 programs watched in the USA were 34 NFL games, 15 Olympics broadcasts, and 1 College Football game (the BCS game between 'Bama and LSU).

If you take the NFL and the Olympics out of it, the top 50 were
1      Mon., 1/9/12    NCAAF: BCS Champ.    Alabama/LSU    ESPN    14.0  24.2M
2    Mon., 4/3/12    NCAAB: Final Four    Kentucky/Kansas    CBS    12.3 20.9M
3    Thu., 6/21/12    NBA: NBA Finals    Thunder/Heat G5    ABC    10.9 18.4M
4    Mon., 1/2/12    NCAAF: Rose Bowl    Oregon/Wisconsin    ESPN    10.2 17.6M
5    Tue., 6/19/12    NBA: NBA Finals    Thunder/Heat G4    ABC    10.5 17.5M
6    Thu., 6/14/12    NBA: NBA Finals    Heat/Thunder G2    ABC    10.4 16.7M
7    Sat., 3/31/12    NCAAB: Final Four    Kansas/Ohio State    CBS    9.6 16.6M
T8    Tue., 6/12/12    NBA: NBA Finals    Heat/Thunder G1    ABC    9.9 16.2M
T8    Sat., 12/1/12    NCAAF: Reg. Season    Alabama/Georgia    CBS 9.8 16.2M
10    Sat., 11/24/12    NCAAF: Reg. Season    Notre Dame/USC    ABC    9.4 16.1M
T11    Sun., 10/28/12    MLB: World Series    Giants/Tigers G4    FOX    8.9 15.5M
T11    Sun., 6/17/12    NBA: NBA Finals    Thunder/Heat G3    ABC    8.8 15.5M
13    Sat., 5/5/12    Horse: Triple Crown    Kentucky Derby    NBC 9.0 14.8M
14    Sat., 3/31/12    NCAAB: Final Four    Kentucky/Louisville    CBS    8.4 13.9M
T15    Mon., 1/2/12    NCAAF: Fiesta Bowl    Okla. St./Stanford    ESPN    8.4 13.7M
T15    Mon., 2/27/12    NASCAR: Sprint Cup    Daytona 500    FOX    8.0   13.7M
17    Sun., 4/8/12    Golf (M): The Masters    Final Round    CBS    8.0   13.5M
18    Sat., 6/9/12    NBA: East Finals    Celtics/Heat G7    ESPN    7.7   13.3M
19    Thu., 10/25/12    MLB: World Series    Tigers/Giants G2    FOX    7.8   12.3M
20    Wed., 10/24/12    MLB: World Series    Tigers/Giants G1    FOX    7.6   12.2M
21    Sun., 3/25/12    NCAAB: Elite Eight    Kansas/UNC    CBS    7.1   11.7M
22    Sat., 11/3/12    NCAAF: Reg. Season    LSU/Alabama    CBS    6.8   11.4M
T23    Thu., 6/7/12    NBA: East Finals    Heat/Celtics G6    ESPN    6.8   11.1M
T23    Sun., 6/3/12    NBA: East Finals    Heat/Celtics G4    ESPN    6.8   11.1M
T25    Sat., 3/24/12    NCAAB: Elite Eight    Ohio St./Syracuse    CBS    6.7   10.9M
T25    Tue., 7/10/12    MLB: All-Star Game    A.L./N.L.    FOX    6.8   10.9M
27    Wed., 10/27/12    MLB: World Series    Giants/Tigers G    FOX    6.1   10.5M
28    Tue., 6/5/12    NBA: East Finals    Celtics/Heat G5    ESPN    6.3   10.3M
29    Sun., 7/1/12    U.S. Olympic Trials    Gymnastics    NBC    5.9   10.0M
T30    Sat., 11/10/12    NCAAF: Reg. Season    TAMU/Alabama    CBS    6.1   9.6M
T30    Tue., 1/3/12    NCAAF: Sugar Bowl    Michigan/Va. Tech    ESPN    6.1   9.6M
T30    Sun., 6/17/12    Golf (M): U.S. Open    Final Round    NBC    6.0   9.6M
T30    Tue., 12/25/12    NBA: Reg. Season    Thunder/Heat    ABC    5.1   9.6M
T34    Wed., 6/6/12    NBA: West Finals    Spurs/Thunder G6    TNT    6.0   9.5M
T34    Sat., 11/24/12    NCAAF: Reg. Season    Michigan/Ohio St.    ABC    5.8   9.5M
36    Sun., 3/4/12    NASCAR: Sprint Cup    Subway Fresh Fit 500    FOX    5.6   9.2M
37    Mon., 5/28/12    NBA: East Finals    Celtics/Heat G1    ESPN    5.6   9.0M
T38    Wed., 5/30/12    NBA: East Finals    Celtics/Heat G2    ESPN    5.7   8.8M
T38    Sun., 3/18/12    NCAAB: Third Rd.    UNC/Creighton    CBS    5.7   8.8M
T38    Tue., 12/25/12    NBA: Reg. Season    Knicks/Lakers    ABC    4.8   8.8M
41    Fri., 3/23/12    NCAAB: Sweet 16    Kentucky/Indiana    CBS    5.2   8.7M
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 16, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 02:39:33 PM
NFL is always, always, higher than the NBA. It is the number 1 sport in the USA by a mile. All you have to do is look at the attention that things like the draft get in the states, which falls right in the middle of the NBA playoffs.

I didn't say the NBA was bigger than the NFL, but it certainly isn't ailing like the NHL or MLB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 03:24:52 PM
I might have picked you up wrong so, but I can assure you that the ratings of the NFL scares the bejaysus out of the other sports, including the NBA. At this stage, they need a rivalry like the Lakers-Celtics or Jazz-Bulls to come along to compete. Even looking at those number, (and you make a good point about a series versus a single game playoff), if you consider that Game 5 of the NBA Finals attracted 18.4 million viewers; but a regular season game in October between the 49ers and Giants (only seen in 77% of the country) attracted 22 million, that's unreal.

Also, the NFL draft took in 7.7 million viewers on a Thursday night! It's unreal how the NFL has taken over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 16, 2013, 04:30:26 PM
AZ, your encyclopedic sports knowledge is truly impressive, not to mention your faciility in writing about it.  Whether crunching numbers or explaining the nuances of Gaelic football club rivalries, you are the maestro.  Have you ever given serious sports writing a go?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 16, 2013, 05:06:19 PM
Ara stop. You're already in the Fantasy League, no need to be plamásing me. :D That reminds me, I seriously need to schedule a draft date(s) for us.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 16, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
AZ had a little webpage going for a while didn't he?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 21, 2013, 11:21:33 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/not/let-tommy-lasorda-speak/
(http://www.fangraphs.com/not/let-tommy-lasorda-speak/)
Like this chaps style...

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on August 22, 2013, 04:17:35 AM
The NBA isn't in the same parish as the NFL. The NBA is basically unwatchable until the actual finals itself.  50% of the teams make it to the playoffs, in a 82 game season is a joke. There are teams going 38-44 making the playoffs on a yearly basis :o
As was pointed out the NBA needs some of its "storied" franchises to start competing again. Miami and OKC doesn't really get the juices flowing the way the Celtics v The lakers would? Or, the Pistons v the lakers etc, etc.
MLB is definitely ahead of the NBA currently, although the recent spurt of banned players is not helping their stock!
Bottom line is the TV networks run sports in the US. There isn't enough money in a sport that runs 2 continuos halves of 45mins with no breaks. They aren't interested. Fair play to NBC, definitely pushing it to the next level, and in fairness espn have improved greatly in the last few years.
Hockey is fucked, watching it live is decent, apart from that......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 02, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
Just noticed Ch4 are showing this seasons Hard Knocks, featuring the Bengals. Starts Sunday 8 September at 7.05am
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 03, 2013, 12:08:32 PM
The start of the NFL season always sneaks up on me.

Haven't really paid much attention to the Falcons off season moves, though I know Turner is gone, Gonzales is still there and we have a new RB (Jackson from the Rams I think??).

Glad Tony Gonzales is sticking around but I really feel last year was the year to go all the way but it didn't happen. The second half slump continues to blight this team particularly in crucial games.  That to me suggests there is a problem on the sidelines. How can you explode out of the blocks for the fist half and draw blanks in the second. Mike Smith seems to be a coach with just a Plan A for every game.

This year I think will be a bit more of a tired effort and the heavier schedule will take its toll. The Saints and Panthers will be hard to shake off this year and we could even finish 3rd in the NFC South.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 03, 2013, 12:10:37 PM
I think Atlanta will be there or thereabouts. New Orleans will be better for sure but the Falcons are a serious outfit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 03, 2013, 12:16:32 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on August 22, 2013, 04:17:35 AM
The NBA isn't in the same parish as the NFL. The NBA is basically unwatchable until the actual finals itself.  50% of the teams make it to the playoffs, in a 82 game season is a joke. There are teams going 38-44 making the playoffs on a yearly basis :o
As was pointed out the NBA needs some of its "storied" franchises to start competing again. Miami and OKC doesn't really get the juices flowing the way the Celtics v The lakers would? Or, the Pistons v the lakers etc, etc.
MLB is definitely ahead of the NBA currently, although the recent spurt of banned players is not helping their stock!
Bottom line is the TV networks run sports in the US. There isn't enough money in a sport that runs 2 continuos halves of 45mins with no breaks. They aren't interested. Fair play to NBC, definitely pushing it to the next level, and in fairness espn have improved greatly in the last few years.
Hockey is fucked, watching it live is decent, apart from that......

When I was livivng in San Fran in 2011 the big news was that the MLS had passed out the NBA in terms of overall attendances in 2010!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2013, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 03, 2013, 12:10:37 PM
I think Atlanta will be there or thereabouts. New Orleans will be better for sure but the Falcons are a serious outfit.

Steven Jackson could well be an animal there in Atlanta. He's a better back than Turner. They have the bones of a great Offence with Gonzalez, Ryan, White, Jones and Jackson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 03, 2013, 04:35:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2013, 12:44:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 03, 2013, 12:10:37 PM
I think Atlanta will be there or thereabouts. New Orleans will be better for sure but the Falcons are a serious outfit.

Steven Jackson could well be an animal there in Atlanta. He's a better back than Turner. They have the bones of a great Offence with Gonzalez, Ryan, White, Jones and Jackson.

And he won't have to carry the entire team as he's had to do most of his pro career, well recent years anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2013, 04:39:37 PM
Exactly. He'll be a constituent part of this offense, not the be all and end all. Sam Bradford gave some hope at QB in St. Louis, but there was nothing else there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2013, 04:39:37 PM
Exactly. He'll be a constituent part of this offense, not the be all and end all. Sam Bradford gave some hope at QB in St. Louis, but there was nothing else there.

I think there is every chance Jackson won't be as productive, he is entering his 10th season and RBs have a habit of falling off the cliff very quickly. He wasn't running out of bounds too often either, he is a punishing runner and I am sure that has taken its toll.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: turk on September 03, 2013, 08:13:45 PM
I think Atlanta will come short v Seattle or San Francisco in the playoffs. Their regular season games v New England, Seattle, AT Green Bay and AT San Francisco will be most interesting barometers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 03, 2013, 11:56:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 03, 2013, 07:58:50 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2013, 04:39:37 PM
Exactly. He'll be a constituent part of this offense, not the be all and end all. Sam Bradford gave some hope at QB in St. Louis, but there was nothing else there.

I think there is every chance Jackson won't be as productive, he is entering his 10th season and RBs have a habit of falling off the cliff very quickly. He wasn't running out of bounds too often either, he is a punishing runner and I am sure that has taken its toll.

I would have worried about that if he was still doing all the heavy lifting in St Louis but last year Atlanta made a clearly cooked Michael Turner look more than respectable at times. S-Jax is bound to be a few notches better than the 2012 (slow) Burner.

You wouldn't guess I drafted him would you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 04, 2013, 12:01:48 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on August 16, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
AZ had a little webpage going for a while didn't he?

He made me cry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
?? Jaysus
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on September 07, 2013, 05:47:26 PM
Don't know if ye saw this before lads . Nothing like a 48 year old grudge  ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrkEROiQsa8&feature=player_detailpage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on September 07, 2013, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
?? Jaysus

It was good!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 08, 2013, 05:42:59 PM
Any links lads for the american football coming up?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 08, 2013, 07:18:05 PM
The amount of people predicting the Falcons for the SB. I'm saying it now, they wont even win the NFC South. As Falcons fan. Seriously.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on September 08, 2013, 07:27:26 PM
Washington Redskins  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 13, 2013, 11:59:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on September 14, 2013, 12:56:18 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on September 13, 2013, 11:59:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gODZzSOelss)

Very good, you do come with a good one now and again Puck ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 15, 2013, 09:16:32 PM
Falcons go to sleep in the 3rd qtr once again and almost give the game to the Rams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 15, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Chargers get over the line. But, by God, Rivers goes into his shell as the end approaches.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 09:30:04 AM
Go Cards!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 16, 2013, 09:45:06 AM
 Great comeback for my Bears against the Vikings. Bennett made the difference along with the D stepping up as usual. Fair play to the Vikings rookie with the kick return it just seemed to make Hester mad who had a great day on the returns for the first time in a long time.

Great wins for AZ's Cardinals ( I always have a soft spot for them must be because they use to be the Chicago Cardinals ;D) , the Chiefs, who when you look at their personnel you wonder how they were 2-14 last year and the bills with C.J. stepping up and getting his first win.
Special mention to the Browns who I think could take a couple of big scalps in their division this year and am I the only one who is loving the way Chip Kelly hasn't changed his offence style for the NFL which is going to mean entertainment all the way!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2013, 11:07:41 AM
Yeah, great win for da Bears overcoming a few calamities to get a crucial W against the team that stole their playoff berth last year. Cutler isn't everyones cup of tea but he doesn't lack bottle - only Matty Ice and Peyton Manning have more 4th Qtr comeback wins since he's been in the league. Martellus Bennett is just a dream signing for that offense. Huge man that can move, good hands but also an excellent blocker. Bears will be a handful this season barring injuries of course. Was slightly disappointed with the pass rush, Ponder often had way too much time and it was the same the week before against the Bengals. Linebacking unit beginning to find its groove after the offseason changes. Devin Hester looks back to his electric best. Surely will get a couple of return TD's this season, he could have had at least 2 yesterday.

Looking forward to tonights game. Is Big Ben going to survive this awesome pass rush behind a paper thin o-line? Logic says no way but things don't always play out as you'd expect. Both sides are already in all sorts of trouble if they lose. Think the Bengals are too good for the Steelers to be honest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
Some week so far in fairness. 15 games played, and 11 of them were settled by a single possession! (if you include a 2 point conversion as a single possession).  NFL Gamepass on the iPad is an absolute godsend. My sunday evenings are goosed. The TV has the redzone on, and I decide which game I want to watch then on the iPad. Then in work at lunch I watch the condensed version of the late games(s). Sometimes if I'm really nerdy I watch the coaches film to look at how the Cards O-Line gets whipped every week :)

Great win for the Cardiac Cards, but Larry Mac's injury is a worry. A hamstring is a hoor of a yoke, especially in that position and the way he plays it. Michael Floyd and Andre Roberts will need to step it up big time, and they could really do with Housler back at TE. Palmer is running for his life behind an O-Line that couldn't block a Pop Warner team, but he is doing well so far and I expect him to improve, especially if Larry and Housler are in the lineup. They'll be exciting again anyway. That's a points differential of +2 after 2 weeks, which is about par for the course.

The Pats need to get healthy quickly. If they can keep winning (I think the schedulers were kind to them with the way it worked out) and then get Gronkowski and Amendola back, they'll be grand, but their Running Game is pants. If they had played the Dolphins this week, or in week 1, I'd say they'd have lost. The Dolphins look okay. Millar can run, and Wallace had his predictable breakout week after sulking last week when Browns Corner Back Joseph had him in his pocket. The Jets have a good D but are cat offensively. Delighted for Manuel and the Bills. I like them as a little team fighting hard in a division dominated by the Pats, but even though CJ Spillar and Stevie Johnson are genuine All Pros. I don't think they'll hang with the really good teams. Still, putting up 24 points on the Panthers is a good achievement. At this stage I'm going to go 1. Dolphins 2. Pats 3. Bills 4. Jets

The AFC North looked like a really strong division on paper, but they went 0-4 last week, and the Ravens and Browns didn't exactly light up the universe last night. I'm disappointed with the Browns opening two games, although as I said Miami are sneaky good I think. Trent Richardson needs to be worked. I think he had something like 13 carries the first day and 18 yesterday. I think they need him carrying the ball more than that, as it's not like it's a running back by committee there. Jordan Cameron at TE is a big plus for the Browns, and Joseph is a lock down corner, but if Weedon is throwing the ball 50+ times they are not going to win. (He threw 53 times in a tight loss last week, and 33 this week).  I do think the Browns might be a good bet for 6 or 7 wins though. Baltimore are a pale shadow of a Superbowl Champion so far. Obviously Ray Ray is gone, and Ed Reed, but with Pitta out injured, the real loss so far is Boldin. He'd love that possession receiver type role, and while Torre Smith is a speedster, and Marlon Brown is the underneath guy, the good defences will take that away fairly easily. If Ray Rice is injured now, it might be good night Vienna for the Ravens. The Steelers and Bengals both need a win tonight, which is great drama, but pretty serious stakes so early on. Obviously going 0-2 won't kill you in a division where 9-7 or 10-6 might win it, but the stats work out something like 11% of 0-2 teams have made the playoffs since 1990. I don't think Big Ben or Andy Dalton want to be in that position. Roethlisberger needs to be protected though. He's a big strong lad, and more mobile than you'd think, but he's taken a good auld beating for a fair few years now, and if he gets pressure from the Bengals, the likes of Hines Ward and Heath Millar are not there at the moment, and the fact that hyphen (LaRod Stephens-Howling) has done his ACL is a complete sickener as he'd have been the outlet scat back. I think the Bengals will do this, but the Steelers D is good as well, and their running backs and WRs, where they have talent, will need to come to play. I'll say 1. Bengals 2. Steelers 3. Ravens 4. Browns

AFC West was supposed to be cat altogether, but while the Broncos look very good, and must be the #1 team easy in the AFC, the Chiefs got a great win, as did the Chargers. The Raiders actually looked reasonable against the Jets in Week1, and were too good for a Jacksonville Jaguars team that are as brutal as their helmets. Pryor is a work in progress at QB, but he has potential and can run. The main thing with him is to try and avoid the sacks (3 on sunday) and interceptions (0). Darren McFadden looks good in the early going, and he can help out by catching passes as well.  The Broncos should win this division, and the Raiders should finish last, but 2nd and 3rd might be a real dogfight. I hate that Malcolm Floyd got a bad knock last night. Receivers crossing the middle can get a bit wing mirrors after a belt like that, but I think Matthews, Rivers and the rejuventated Eddie Royal help the Chargers to 2nd. 1. Broncos 2. Chargers. 3. Chiefs 4. Raiders.

The AFC South is Houston's to lose, but they are trying their best to make hard work of it. The Chargers shoulda coulda beaten them, and the Titans threw it away as well. On the basis that the Colts had a soft schedule last year, and are still a bit green, and the Texans have Johnson, Foster, Tate, Daniels along with the new kid on the block, Deandre Hopkins, I think they'll be winners here. The Titans are another sneaky decent team though, Chris Johnson is still a good back, and Kenny Britt, Kendell Wright and Nate Washington are still serviceable WRs. Their defence has started pretty well, but they really should have held out yesterday. The Jags are brutal. The banged up Maurice Jones Drew and maybe Cecil Shorts are the only two real good players they have, and neither  Chad Henne or Blaine Gabbard are good enough to carry that load on their shoulders.  1. Texans 2. Titans. 3. Colts. 4. Jaguars.

I think the NFC is class this year. All 4 divisions have multiple good teams in them. The East might well be a toss up. The Redskins are looking down the barrel of that 11% statistic after being mutilated in 2 successive first halves, but they do have talent and potential. They just can't keep falling into huge holes. The Eagles are, as mentioned, exciting but will Vick stay healthy? He got cleaned up by one of the Chargers yesterday, and while Nick Foles has exposure to the fast paced offense that Arizona Wildcats used a bit, it's not the same as Vick back there. Jackson and McCoy are great through, and they'll be there or thereabouts. The Giants secondary is poor, and unless they get big pressure up front, they'll be picked apart in a division that has Romo, Vick and Griffin III at QB. Mind you they have a good one themselves in Eli, and Nicks and Cruz are top quality and Ruben Randle has potential as well. Myers is a good TE too but their Runing back situation is a bit of a mess. Wilson needs to get Coughlan's confidence back quickly because if Jacobs is the answer then you're asking the wrong question. The Cowboys will be up and down too, but I like their offense. Romo, Bryant, Austin, Witten, Murray and this running back Dunbar are all good, so I'm going 1. Cowboys 2. Eagles 3 Giants 4. Redskins (but 4 games could cover top to bottom).

The NFC South is also shaping up to be a humdinger. The Saints look to be the class of the field, but the Falcons will be loathe to give up their position. New Orleans really struggled past the Buccs, but they have the tools to win this division if their defense can improve a small bit. Sproles, Colston, Moore and the savage Jimmy Graham give Brees the options and he's one of the top QBs in the league. In fact Brees v Ryan may well be the contest that decides this division as the falcons are fairly loaded themselves. Gonzalez, Jackson (if fit), Jones and Roddy White (if fit) are the match for anything New Orleans can muster, and if Drew Brees was throwing to that lot, I'd have them winning the division. The Panthers are doughty and hard to beat. Their defense is good, especially the front 7 against the run, and with a pass rush. Their secondary can be got at if the rush doesn't get home though, as was evidenced by the Bills yesterday. Still Cam Newton with Steve Smith and Greg Olson are servicable, and DeAngelo Williams has skills, but you just get the sense when you see those names written down that they are level below the Falcons, Saints and other NFC top teams. The Buccs are getting horrible output from Josh Freeman, and I expect him to get benched fairly shortly to be honest. Mike Williams, Vincent Jackson and Doug Martin are elite type offensive weapons, but Freeman is just killing them. Having said that the backup is the rookie from Rutgers, Mike Glennon, so a change would essentially be writing off the season, so look for that to happen around week 6 or 7, unless the Buccs get a good veteran off the street.

The NFC North is, again, a very interesting division. A few eyebrows were raised when the Pack got beat up in San Francisco last week, but in fairness that is a hard place to go and play. The Packers looked unreal against the 'Skins until they took their foot off the gas, and then they reaccelerated when the Redskins had the cheek to get within 14. They took a knee with time running out after marching up the field to the Skins 11 as well so they were comfy all day really. I do think their defence can be attacked, as Boldin proved, but you won't have too many teams like the 49ers at home either. The Bears showed great guts to overcome some bad turnovers against the Vikings, and a shock looked on the cards. They have the holy triumvarate at RB, WR and TE though, in Forte, Marshall and Bennett and in Cutler they have someone that can make all the throws. Sometimes one of the things he throws though, is his head, so I think that will keep them from winning the division. The Vikings are going to ride Adrian Peterson until he is a broken man, but the unfortunate truth is they have to. Christian Ponder is average at best, and he is prone to the crazy decision, like the pick 6 yesterday. Greg Jennings is a veteran receiver who can help him, and Simpson and Patterson are young receivers with speed but if Adrian Peterson doesn't rush for at least 1600 yards the Vikings finish 4th I think. the Lions have the potential to be a very strong team, and like several teams in the current NFC would probably do well in a couple of AFC divisions. As it is, they're probably a 3rd place team in this division. Calvin Johnson is an animal, Reggie Bush is perfect for this offense, Stafford has a great arm and their defensive line is nasty with Fairley and Suh, but they are still a bit lacking all around. They probably need another threat to step up outside, and they need more from the TE position. Yesterday highlighted their flaws. Patrick Peterson was struggling on Calvin Johnson mightily (albeit manfully) but as soon as Bush went down, the Cards just gave him safety help over the top, and the Lions offense sputtered. I'm going 1. Packers 2. Bears 3. Lions 4. Vikings

Finally the NFC West, (where did this stream of consciousness come from?) and another tough division. My natural bias would be talking myself into picking the Cards to finish 2nd in most if not all other divisions, but you just can't see past the Niners and Seahawks here. The Seahawks handed it to the Niners last night, but I can almost guarantee the Niners will do likewise at Candlestick. I'd also expect both of these teams to finish 5-1 in the division, with the split against each other. Mind you the Rams and Cardinals are not monkeys either, and either or both could well take a game from the big two in Saint Louis or Glendale respectively. The Rams, on paper, are the weakest in the division in my view. Darryl Richardson is not Steven Jackson, and Tavon Austin and Chris Givens are good, but not elite just yet. Jared Cook, who torched the Cardinals, has a history of being a solid but not a top5 or 6 tight end. Bradford is also a QB I have a lot of time for, but he's just that level below the likes of Luck, Griffin, Wilson and other young QBs. I know they beat the Cardinals in week 1, but I see the Cards returning the favour in Arizona, and I also see the Cardinals doing a little better in the non-division games.  The Cardinals are much improved this year, but the schedule is not easy. Apart from 6 tough games in the West, they also play the NFC South and the AFC South. They may well be lucky to win 6 games which is tough. They will hope to bed in Arians, Palmer and Mendenhall though, and make a push next year if they can improve the O-Line. The Defense is sound normally, and very opportunistic, and I doubt if anyone has blocked more kicks over the past few years (another one yesterday), but they do give up some huge plays and they need to cut that out. Peterson is improving, Matthieu will get better, their linebackers will improve when Washington comes back, and the D-Line is solid and tough. Safety is a bit of a problem, but Yeremiah Bell is decent there too. Offensively they could be very good with Fitz, Floyd, Roberts, Mendenhall and Housler, or they could be very bad if they get injuries. Also Palmer needs to be protected. He is prone to awful interceptions at times, although not too often, but if he is running for his life, he may throw more than he normally would too. They need to tighten up there, and in fairness yesterday against a good Detroit Line, they held up reasonably well for most of the game. The class of the field here in this division is in the upper West Coast though. The Seahawks at home are unreal, the Niners at home are unreal. Which of them will get homefield in the playoffs, because I think these teams probably go 13-3 and 12-4 at worst respectively. I tend to think the Seahawks might be a little bit more rounded. QB is very similar, and probably a tie in fairness. I've been critical of Kaepernick in the past but I was wrong. He is the real deal and while he will make mistakes he can throw, run and make good decisions. Wilson is the very same. Running backs are also very tight with Marshawn Lynch probably just edging Frank Gore at this stage, but the backup RB is probably stronger in San Francisco with Kendell Hunter. The Niners probably hold a slight edge at TE as well with Vernon Davis seeming to be back on track, but Zach Miller is also a top end Tight End. I think the Seahawks hold the balance in the WR corps, as too much will be on Boldin I think in San Francisco  with Crabtree out. Patton is interesting, but raw. The Seahaks corps are not elite, but they do have more options with Sidney Rice, Golden Tate and even Doug Baldwin. Both defenses are very strong on paper, although only the Seahawks have shown that so far as the Niners have had 2 rough outings v Green Bay and in Seattle. Overall, I think there are just a couple of less questions on the Seahawks, but this is really splitting hairs. 1. Seattle 2. San Francisco 3. Cardinals 4. Rams
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on September 16, 2013, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
Some week so far in fairness. 15 games played, and 11 of them were settled by a single possession! (if you include a 2 point conversion as a single possession).  NFL Gamepass on the iPad is an absolute godsend.

American sports will not conquer the world by staging matches in Wembley or the like. They will conquer the world via apps. The MLB one is superb. I wake up several time a night checking out the scores.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2013, 03:48:22 PM
Amazing how Cutler has those 4th quarter comebacks with him throwing the head all the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 03:49:54 PM
He's good Seanie, but he has a tendency to do that. He's not a liability, far from it. He can make all the throws. He made some crazy throws yesterday, but as you say he has bottle.

The last 5 years, his touchdown to interception record is 19-14; 13-7; 23-16; 27-26; 25-18... That's too many interceptions. His QB ranking in that time is 20th; 13th; 16th; 21st and 16th.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2013, 04:26:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 03:49:54 PM
He's good Seanie, but he has a tendency to do that. He's not a liability, far from it. He can make all the throws. He made some crazy throws yesterday, but as you say he has bottle.

The last 5 years, his touchdown to interception record is 19-14; 13-7; 23-16; 27-26; 25-18... That's too many interceptions. His QB ranking in that time is 20th; 13th; 16th; 21st and 16th.

Hard to hit your receivers when you're on your arse or running for your life. Also, up to last year he had no decent WR's and the best pass catcher they had (Olsen) was shipped out. The 4th quarter comeback wins stat quoted last night during the game is more of a reflection of his ability to keep his cool when most needed. I watched every down of that game yesterday and can't remember any "crazy" throw. 1st INT was a ball that was tipped twice. It was a bad play call. 2nd INT was a perfect throw (which would have been a TD) where he just didn't see the safety coming across. Totally his fault but not crazy.

I don't like his demeanour or body language at times either but the guy has guts. Lesser men would be finished given the batterings he has got over the last 3-4 seasons coupled with bizarre play calling (I'm looking at you Mike Martz) and limited weapons (look at Tom Brady the last 2 weeks - has he suddenly become bad???). He's not one of the elite guys in the league but he's top 10-12 (real life, not fantasy).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 16, 2013, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
Some week so far in fairness. 15 games played, and 11 of them were settled by a single possession! (if you include a 2 point conversion as a single possession).  NFL Gamepass on the iPad is an absolute godsend. My sunday evenings are goosed. The TV has the redzone on, and I decide which game I want to watch then on the iPad. Then in work at lunch I watch the condensed version of the late games(s). Sometimes if I'm really nerdy I watch the coaches film to look at how the Cards O-Line gets whipped every week :)

Great win for the Cardiac Cards, but Larry Mac's injury is a worry. A hamstring is a hoor of a yoke, especially in that position and the way he plays it. Michael Floyd and Andre Roberts will need to step it up big time, and they could really do with Housler back at TE. Palmer is running for his life behind an O-Line that couldn't block a Pop Warner team, but he is doing well so far and I expect him to improve, especially if Larry and Housler are in the lineup. They'll be exciting again anyway. That's a points differential of +2 after 2 weeks, which is about par for the course.

The Pats need to get healthy quickly. If they can keep winning (I think the schedulers were kind to them with the way it worked out) and then get Gronkowski and Amendola back, they'll be grand, but their Running Game is pants. If they had played the Dolphins this week, or in week 1, I'd say they'd have lost. The Dolphins look okay. Millar can run, and Wallace had his predictable breakout week after sulking last week when Browns Corner Back Joseph had him in his pocket. The Jets have a good D but are cat offensively. Delighted for Manuel and the Bills. I like them as a little team fighting hard in a division dominated by the Pats, but even though CJ Spillar and Stevie Johnson are genuine All Pros. I don't think they'll hang with the really good teams. Still, putting up 24 points on the Panthers is a good achievement. At this stage I'm going to go 1. Dolphins 2. Pats 3. Bills 4. Jets

The AFC North looked like a really strong division on paper, but they went 0-4 last week, and the Ravens and Browns didn't exactly light up the universe last night. I'm disappointed with the Browns opening two games, although as I said Miami are sneaky good I think. Trent Richardson needs to be worked. I think he had something like 13 carries the first day and 18 yesterday. I think they need him carrying the ball more than that, as it's not like it's a running back by committee there. Jordan Cameron at TE is a big plus for the Browns, and Joseph is a lock down corner, but if Weedon is throwing the ball 50+ times they are not going to win. (He threw 53 times in a tight loss last week, and 33 this week).  I do think the Browns might be a good bet for 6 or 7 wins though. Baltimore are a pale shadow of a Superbowl Champion so far. Obviously Ray Ray is gone, and Ed Reed, but with Pitta out injured, the real loss so far is Boldin. He'd love that possession receiver type role, and while Torre Smith is a speedster, and Marlon Brown is the underneath guy, the good defences will take that away fairly easily. If Ray Rice is injured now, it might be good night Vienna for the Ravens. The Steelers and Bengals both need a win tonight, which is great drama, but pretty serious stakes so early on. Obviously going 0-2 won't kill you in a division where 9-7 or 10-6 might win it, but the stats work out something like 11% of 0-2 teams have made the playoffs since 1990. I don't think Big Ben or Andy Dalton want to be in that position. Roethlisberger needs to be protected though. He's a big strong lad, and more mobile than you'd think, but he's taken a good auld beating for a fair few years now, and if he gets pressure from the Bengals, the likes of Hines Ward and Heath Millar are not there at the moment, and the fact that hyphen (LaRod Stephens-Howling) has done his ACL is a complete sickener as he'd have been the outlet scat back. I think the Bengals will do this, but the Steelers D is good as well, and their running backs and WRs, where they have talent, will need to come to play. I'll say 1. Bengals 2. Steelers 3. Ravens 4. Browns

AFC West was supposed to be cat altogether, but while the Broncos look very good, and must be the #1 team easy in the AFC, the Chiefs got a great win, as did the Chargers. The Raiders actually looked reasonable against the Jets in Week1, and were too good for a Jacksonville Jaguars team that are as brutal as their helmets. Pryor is a work in progress at QB, but he has potential and can run. The main thing with him is to try and avoid the sacks (3 on sunday) and interceptions (0). Darren McFadden looks good in the early going, and he can help out by catching passes as well.  The Broncos should win this division, and the Raiders should finish last, but 2nd and 3rd might be a real dogfight. I hate that Malcolm Floyd got a bad knock last night. Receivers crossing the middle can get a bit wing mirrors after a belt like that, but I think Matthews, Rivers and the rejuventated Eddie Royal help the Chargers to 2nd. 1. Broncos 2. Chargers. 3. Chiefs 4. Raiders.

The AFC South is Houston's to lose, but they are trying their best to make hard work of it. The Chargers shoulda coulda beaten them, and the Titans threw it away as well. On the basis that the Colts had a soft schedule last year, and are still a bit green, and the Texans have Johnson, Foster, Tate, Daniels along with the new kid on the block, Deandre Hopkins, I think they'll be winners here. The Titans are another sneaky decent team though, Chris Johnson is still a good back, and Kenny Britt, Kendell Wright and Nate Washington are still serviceable WRs. Their defence has started pretty well, but they really should have held out yesterday. The Jags are brutal. The banged up Maurice Jones Drew and maybe Cecil Shorts are the only two real good players they have, and neither  Chad Henne or Blaine Gabbard are good enough to carry that load on their shoulders.  1. Texans 2. Titans. 3. Colts. 4. Jaguars.

I think the NFC is class this year. All 4 divisions have multiple good teams in them. The East might well be a toss up. The Redskins are looking down the barrel of that 11% statistic after being mutilated in 2 successive first halves, but they do have talent and potential. They just can't keep falling into huge holes. The Eagles are, as mentioned, exciting but will Vick stay healthy? He got cleaned up by one of the Chargers yesterday, and while Nick Foles has exposure to the fast paced offense that Arizona Wildcats used a bit, it's not the same as Vick back there. Jackson and McCoy are great through, and they'll be there or thereabouts. The Giants secondary is poor, and unless they get big pressure up front, they'll be picked apart in a division that has Romo, Vick and Griffin III at QB. Mind you they have a good one themselves in Eli, and Nicks and Cruz are top quality and Ruben Randle has potential as well. Myers is a good TE too but their Runing back situation is a bit of a mess. Wilson needs to get Coughlan's confidence back quickly because if Jacobs is the answer then you're asking the wrong question. The Cowboys will be up and down too, but I like their offense. Romo, Bryant, Austin, Witten, Murray and this running back Dunbar are all good, so I'm going 1. Cowboys 2. Eagles 3 Giants 4. Redskins (but 4 games could cover top to bottom).

The NFC South is also shaping up to be a humdinger. The Saints look to be the class of the field, but the Falcons will be loathe to give up their position. New Orleans really struggled past the Buccs, but they have the tools to win this division if their defense can improve a small bit. Sproles, Colston, Moore and the savage Jimmy Graham give Brees the options and he's one of the top QBs in the league. In fact Brees v Ryan may well be the contest that decides this division as the falcons are fairly loaded themselves. Gonzalez, Jackson (if fit), Jones and Roddy White (if fit) are the match for anything New Orleans can muster, and if Drew Brees was throwing to that lot, I'd have them winning the division. The Panthers are doughty and hard to beat. Their defense is good, especially the front 7 against the run, and with a pass rush. Their secondary can be got at if the rush doesn't get home though, as was evidenced by the Bills yesterday. Still Cam Newton with Steve Smith and Greg Olson are servicable, and DeAngelo Williams has skills, but you just get the sense when you see those names written down that they are level below the Falcons, Saints and other NFC top teams. The Buccs are getting horrible output from Josh Freeman, and I expect him to get benched fairly shortly to be honest. Mike Williams, Vincent Jackson and Doug Martin are elite type offensive weapons, but Freeman is just killing them. Having said that the backup is the rookie from Rutgers, Mike Glennon, so a change would essentially be writing off the season, so look for that to happen around week 6 or 7, unless the Buccs get a good veteran off the street.

The NFC North is, again, a very interesting division. A few eyebrows were raised when the Pack got beat up in San Francisco last week, but in fairness that is a hard place to go and play. The Packers looked unreal against the 'Skins until they took their foot off the gas, and then they reaccelerated when the Redskins had the cheek to get within 14. They took a knee with time running out after marching up the field to the Skins 11 as well so they were comfy all day really. I do think their defence can be attacked, as Boldin proved, but you won't have too many teams like the 49ers at home either. The Bears showed great guts to overcome some bad turnovers against the Vikings, and a shock looked on the cards. They have the holy triumvarate at RB, WR and TE though, in Forte, Marshall and Bennett and in Cutler they have someone that can make all the throws. Sometimes one of the things he throws though, is his head, so I think that will keep them from winning the division. The Vikings are going to ride Adrian Peterson until he is a broken man, but the unfortunate truth is they have to. Christian Ponder is average at best, and he is prone to the crazy decision, like the pick 6 yesterday. Greg Jennings is a veteran receiver who can help him, and Simpson and Patterson are young receivers with speed but if Adrian Peterson doesn't rush for at least 1600 yards the Vikings finish 4th I think. the Lions have the potential to be a very strong team, and like several teams in the current NFC would probably do well in a couple of AFC divisions. As it is, they're probably a 3rd place team in this division. Calvin Johnson is an animal, Reggie Bush is perfect for this offense, Stafford has a great arm and their defensive line is nasty with Fairley and Suh, but they are still a bit lacking all around. They probably need another threat to step up outside, and they need more from the TE position. Yesterday highlighted their flaws. Patrick Peterson was struggling on Calvin Johnson mightily (albeit manfully) but as soon as Bush went down, the Cards just gave him safety help over the top, and the Lions offense sputtered. I'm going 1. Packers 2. Bears 3. Lions 4. Vikings

Finally the NFC West, (where did this stream of consciousness come from?) and another tough division. My natural bias would be talking myself into picking the Cards to finish 2nd in most if not all other divisions, but you just can't see past the Niners and Seahawks here. The Seahawks handed it to the Niners last night, but I can almost guarantee the Niners will do likewise at Candlestick. I'd also expect both of these teams to finish 5-1 in the division, with the split against each other. Mind you the Rams and Cardinals are not monkeys either, and either or both could well take a game from the big two in Saint Louis or Glendale respectively. The Rams, on paper, are the weakest in the division in my view. Darryl Richardson is not Steven Jackson, and Tavon Austin and Chris Givens are good, but not elite just yet. Jared Cook, who torched the Cardinals, has a history of being a solid but not a top5 or 6 tight end. Bradford is also a QB I have a lot of time for, but he's just that level below the likes of Luck, Griffin, Wilson and other young QBs. I know they beat the Cardinals in week 1, but I see the Cards returning the favour in Arizona, and I also see the Cardinals doing a little better in the non-division games.  The Cardinals are much improved this year, but the schedule is not easy. Apart from 6 tough games in the West, they also play the NFC South and the AFC South. They may well be lucky to win 6 games which is tough. They will hope to bed in Arians, Palmer and Mendenhall though, and make a push next year if they can improve the O-Line. The Defense is sound normally, and very opportunistic, and I doubt if anyone has blocked more kicks over the past few years (another one yesterday), but they do give up some huge plays and they need to cut that out. Peterson is improving, Matthieu will get better, their linebackers will improve when Washington comes back, and the D-Line is solid and tough. Safety is a bit of a problem, but Yeremiah Bell is decent there too. Offensively they could be very good with Fitz, Floyd, Roberts, Mendenhall and Housler, or they could be very bad if they get injuries. Also Palmer needs to be protected. He is prone to awful interceptions at times, although not too often, but if he is running for his life, he may throw more than he normally would too. They need to tighten up there, and in fairness yesterday against a good Detroit Line, they held up reasonably well for most of the game. The class of the field here in this division is in the upper West Coast though. The Seahawks at home are unreal, the Niners at home are unreal. Which of them will get homefield in the playoffs, because I think these teams probably go 13-3 and 12-4 at worst respectively. I tend to think the Seahawks might be a little bit more rounded. QB is very similar, and probably a tie in fairness. I've been critical of Kaepernick in the past but I was wrong. He is the real deal and while he will make mistakes he can throw, run and make good decisions. Wilson is the very same. Running backs are also very tight with Marshawn Lynch probably just edging Frank Gore at this stage, but the backup RB is probably stronger in San Francisco with Kendell Hunter. The Niners probably hold a slight edge at TE as well with Vernon Davis seeming to be back on track, but Zach Miller is also a top end Tight End. I think the Seahawks hold the balance in the WR corps, as too much will be on Boldin I think in San Francisco  with Crabtree out. Patton is interesting, but raw. The Seahaks corps are not elite, but they do have more options with Sidney Rice, Golden Tate and even Doug Baldwin. Both defenses are very strong on paper, although only the Seahawks have shown that so far as the Niners have had 2 rough outings v Green Bay and in Seattle. Overall, I think there are just a couple of less questions on the Seahawks, but this is really splitting hairs. 1. Seattle 2. San Francisco 3. Cardinals 4. Rams

Wouldn't disagree with any of that! Do you watch any college ball AZ? Alabama Texas A&M was a bit more one sided than the final scoreline with Jonny football not having a great game. The Irish had a ridiculeous 4th quarter comeback but Purdue didn't look great either so I can't see where Notre Dame are going this year!

I got to see Floyd in the flesh for the Notre Dame  down in Stanford at Luck's last home game in Nov 2011. Stanford were heading for a blow out at halftime but Hendrix came in at QB for the Irish and Floyd took on Stanford on his own in the second half getting back to within a score( I think) before they ran out of steam. If the Cards can keep him off the booze (I believe he had a record amount of DUI's in college) I think he will be a great weapon for Palmer and the Cards. Personally I just don't trust Palmer since his knee blowout for the Bungles and think he is just too expensive for what he gives a team but he is definitely an upgrade on what happened for you at QB in the last few season.

For the Bears Cutler is Cutler. You either put up with him or really hate him but he is a good QB and definitely could take us on a long journey this season but the balance between Fotre's running game , Bennett at tight end and Marshall could be the real difference for Chicago this year. Also Alshon Jeffery just might up his production enough to make use of the one on one coverage he finds himself in so much. It's early days and the next two road games will tell a lot about where Cutler and this offence is heading!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 04:31:12 PM
Those rankings are real life, not fantasy. I'm sorry but he has never been a top 10 quarterback in the last 5 years. I also feel like I'm having to slate him when I actually don't want to, just to make my point. I think he's a good quarterback with a bad attitude sometimes. But I think he does make bad decisions, and has made bad decisions, on the field throughout his career at vital times. I would still take him as the Cardinals QB in a heartbeat.

4th quarter comebacks are a bit of a 'hmmm' stat as well by the way. John Skelton had 6 4th quarter comebacks in his brief stint at Arizona. And he is shite.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 04:31:12 PM
Those rankings are real life, not fantasy. I'm sorry but he has never been a top 10 quarterback in the last 5 years. I also feel like I'm having to slate him when I actually don't want to, just to make my point. I think he's a good quarterback with a bad attitude sometimes. But I think he does make bad decisions, and has made bad decisions, on the field throughout his career at vital times. I would still take him as the Cardinals QB in a heartbeat.

4th quarter comebacks are a bit of a 'hmmm' stat as well by the way. John Skelton had 6 4th quarter comebacks in his brief stint at Arizona. And he is shite.

What I'm saying is if they keep him protected this year (as they have thus far), judge him on that. The top guys are often lauded for cutting secondaries apart but they're well protected and have top receivers which makes life a lot easier.

Agree about Skelton but he had a bit of balls about him unlike Kolb, Leinart etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 16, 2013, 04:36:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 04:31:12 PM
Those rankings are real life, not fantasy. I'm sorry but he has never been a top 10 quarterback in the last 5 years. I also feel like I'm having to slate him when I actually don't want to, just to make my point. I think he's a good quarterback with a bad attitude sometimes. But I think he does make bad decisions, and has made bad decisions, on the field throughout his career at vital times. I would still take him as the Cardinals QB in a heartbeat.

4th quarter comebacks are a bit of a 'hmmm' stat as well by the way. John Skelton had 6 4th quarter comebacks in his brief stint at Arizona. And he is shite.

What I'm saying is if they keep him protected this year (as they have thus far), judge him on that. The top guys are often lauded for cutting secondaries apart but they're well protected and have top receivers which makes life a lot easier.

Agree about Skelton but he had a bit of balls about him unlike Kolb, Leinart etc.

Fair enough. As you say a QB sitting on his arse, or running for his life is a lot more likely to have a misfire than a lad that is sitting back picking teams apart. That's probably the reason why the O-Line is actually the most important line (arguably) on the field.

I will say this, if Jay Cutler had thrown some of the interceptions that even the great Peyton Manning has done in the playoffs, he'd be slaughtered. It happens to them all I suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
Yeah Crete, I watch a good bit of the college ball as well. I used to live in Phoenix/Scottsdale, so I headed to a few Sun Devil games, did you see the finish to that game v Wisconsin on Saturday? Mad stuff altogether. I was a season ticket holder for the Cards as well, so I really got into the football, NCAA and NFL, when I lived over there. Since I've come home NASN, ESPN America and now Sky and ESPN are good, plus I have NFL Gamepass and ESPN Player, so I watch as much as I can on the tablet.

Notre Dame I can only see going 9-3 at best. Purdue should not have been that close, and I was worried by the lack of speed on the ND defense. They looked like they were running in mud. Having said that they did tighten up a bit in the 3rd and 4th quarters, but I can't see them living with a fast paced attack that has quality. (See Michigan).

The ND schedule to the end of the year (they are currently 2-1)  is ....

Home v Michigan State. Maybe a win at home, but far from a given. 3-1.
Home v #14 Oklahoma. I can't see them beating the Sooners. Beat them in Norman last year, so this is in South Bend, but I think the Sooner's speed will be too much. 3-2
V Arizona State at Neutral site. This is going to make or break the season I think. Sun Devils are quick, and can score, but I'm not sure they can beat Notre Dame at a neutral site. 4-2
Home v USC. USC are having a bit of a mare at the moment, and if they don't turn it around quickly, I can see the Irish beating them in South Bend. 5-2
Away @ Air Force. Should be able to win this handy. 6-2.
Home v Navy. Again, should be able to take care of these. 7-2.
Away @ Pittsburgh. Pitt are not going that well, but they will still be tricky. However if ND are going well at this stage, and 7-2, I see them winning this. 8-2
Home v BYU. If this was in Provo, I'd pick the Mormon lads. However in South Bend I think the Catholics will have enough, especially if 8-2 coming in. 9-2
Away @ Stanford. A big Uh-Oh I think. Stanford are tough, and physical and motivated to beat Notre Dame. Stanford could well be in the shakeup for a Rose Bowl or even National Championship game at this stage. 9-3

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 16, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
Quote.         The Raiders actually looked reasonable against the Jets in Week1, and were too good for a Jacksonville Jaguars team that are as brutal as their helmets. Pryor is a work in progress at QB, but he has potential and can run. The main thing with him is to try and avoid the sacks (3 on sunday) and interceptions (0). Darren McFadden looks good in the early going, and he can help out by catching passes as well.             

Raiders played the Colts in wk1 and DMAC was awful. He played better yesterday when the focus was on TP2. 

Defence has looked good but the Donks will be the acid test of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 05:12:05 PM
I thought McFadden wasn't brutal against the Colts. Wasn't exactly great either but he did have a touchdown run. His average was bad at less than 3 ypc. He did catch 3 passes as well. I think he'll help Pryor if he stays healthy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 19, 2013, 12:58:50 AM
The Browns have traded Trent Richardson RB (their 2012 #1 pick) to the Colts for #1 pick in 2014.  In addition, they're starting Brian Hoyer at QB this Sunday (he's supposedly their 3rd string QB behind Jason Campbell).  Nothing like cleaning out remnants of the old regime.

I hear that Willis McGahee is in Cleveland for a physical.  Browns now odds on for the Super Bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2013, 09:11:58 AM
Very surprised when I heard this, this morning. It looks like the Browns are either unconvinced on Richardson or else they are trying to stack the draft for next year. I think Weedon is injured in fairness, but this seems very early in the year to be trading your marquee back, especially if you are going to the street to try out lads.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 19, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
The new ownership of the browns want a franchise quarterback. It looks like they are giving up on the season already to get a good draft pick next April.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on September 19, 2013, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 19, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
The new ownership of the browns want a franchise quarterback. It looks like they are giving up on the season already to get a good draft pick next April.

This was my first thought when i seen this trade. Is there a general consensus on the number 1 QB for next years draft. Ive heard bits & pieces about Manziel and Bridgewater but is either (or another) nailed on for the No 1 pick like Luck was?
Also thought that T-Rich was picking up some nagging injuries frequently, maybe the Browns know something we dont when they get to see him every day...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 19, 2013, 12:03:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 16, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
Yeah Crete, I watch a good bit of the college ball as well. I used to live in Phoenix/Scottsdale, so I headed to a few Sun Devil games, did you see the finish to that game v Wisconsin on Saturday? Mad stuff altogether. I was a season ticket holder for the Cards as well, so I really got into the football, NCAA and NFL, when I lived over there. Since I've come home NASN, ESPN America and now Sky and ESPN are good, plus I have NFL Gamepass and ESPN Player, so I watch as much as I can on the tablet.

Notre Dame I can only see going 9-3 at best. Purdue should not have been that close, and I was worried by the lack of speed on the ND defense. They looked like they were running in mud. Having said that they did tighten up a bit in the 3rd and 4th quarters, but I can't see them living with a fast paced attack that has quality. (See Michigan).

The ND schedule to the end of the year (they are currently 2-1)  is ....

Home v Michigan State. Maybe a win at home, but far from a given. 3-1.
Home v #14 Oklahoma. I can't see them beating the Sooners. Beat them in Norman last year, so this is in South Bend, but I think the Sooner's speed will be too much. 3-2
V Arizona State at Neutral site. This is going to make or break the season I think. Sun Devils are quick, and can score, but I'm not sure they can beat Notre Dame at a neutral site. 4-2
Home v USC. USC are having a bit of a mare at the moment, and if they don't turn it around quickly, I can see the Irish beating them in South Bend. 5-2
Away @ Air Force. Should be able to win this handy. 6-2.
Home v Navy. Again, should be able to take care of these. 7-2.
Away @ Pittsburgh. Pitt are not going that well, but they will still be tricky. However if ND are going well at this stage, and 7-2, I see them winning this. 8-2
Home v BYU. If this was in Provo, I'd pick the Mormon lads. However in South Bend I think the Catholics will have enough, especially if 8-2 coming in. 9-2
Away @ Stanford. A big Uh-Oh I think. Stanford are tough, and physical and motivated to beat Notre Dame. Stanford could well be in the shakeup for a Rose Bowl or even National Championship game at this stage. 9-3

Yep pretty hilarious by Wisconsin , the QB learnt a harsh lesson but I thought the Arizona should probably have the game closed out a bit earlier. I don't know why they didn't keep trying to split the Wisconsin D with more trick plays to capitalise on their speed?

With Notre Dame I think you have called it pretty well but the Irish could easily be 7-5 or 10-2. I think we have a good chance against Oklahoma as momentum could keep the team rolling forward by then but I would also be worried about the Michigan and Pitt games which could easily go the other way. Stanford though could be a tough day at the office. Oh how I wish I was back there again getting stuck into the cheap pitchers afterwards in Rudy's bar in Palo Alto :'(.

Looking forward to the Sun Devils game now I know I have a fan to crow over or avoid after depending on the result ;D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 20, 2013, 03:18:19 AM
A few thoughts after watching a few of the games from last weekend.
That was a really bad beating San Fran took from Seattle and I don't fancy their chances of reversing it next time, even at home. If Wilson had been on his passing game, the score would have been embarrassing. San Fran's offensive and defensive lines were hammered, their receivers couldn't get an inch and Gore got nothing either. The 49ers best receiver Boldin, made his first catch late on, when the game was over. Richard Sherman had the beating of him all day. The only time the 49ers looked a bit dangerous was when Kappernick stopped minding himself and started running. I'd say if they met in the playoffs we'd see a lot more of that and that in turn might create more opportunities for Gore and the receivers. I can't see them beating Seattle if Kapp stays in the pocket, even though he's a brilliant passer. His targets are struggling to get open against this defense. I know it's only 1 game but it raised a lot of serious questions about this 49ers team.

Seattle are 1 powerful team and their running game is close to unstoppable. Themselves and Denver look way ahead of the rest.

Watched Texas and Alabama. Manziel looks tiny for the NFL but I read somewhere that he's 6 ft 1". Can that be right?
I'm not a big fan of college ball. It's a bit watery compared with the NFL and, a bit like sevens rugby, there's loads of space and it's too easy for the speedsters to score. The crowd and the atmosphere were great as always but the Texas defense never looked like they could hold Alabama without a penalty or a turnover. Even when Texas were leading early on, an Alabama win looked inevitable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 20, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
Your hand writing is very neat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
The Chip Kelly carnival came to somewhat of a halt last night. Vick was sacked 7 times, intercepted twice and capped it off with a fumble to finish. He was under pressure all night but he also ran for 99 yards, probably due to that pressure. He's not going to last long at this rate. At least McCoy (who I have on one fantasy team) was again awesome though he hurt his ankle (not supposed to be too serious).

Alex Smith was excellent again in the bit I saw (4th quarter). I don't think he was treated shabbily at SF - he was simply replaced by a better player - but he is well worthy of being an NFL starter. The Chiefs are 3-0 and even with Denver to play twice they should be in the hunt for the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2013, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 20, 2013, 03:18:19 AM
A few thoughts after watching a few of the games from last weekend.
That was a really bad beating San Fran took from Seattle and I don't fancy their chances of reversing it next time, even at home. If Wilson had been on his passing game, the score would have been embarrassing. San Fran's offensive and defensive lines were hammered, their receivers couldn't get an inch and Gore got nothing either. The 49ers best receiver Boldin, made his first catch late on, when the game was over. Richard Sherman had the beating of him all day. The only time the 49ers looked a bit dangerous was when Kappernick stopped minding himself and started running. I'd say if they met in the playoffs we'd see a lot more of that and that in turn might create more opportunities for Gore and the receivers. I can't see them beating Seattle if Kapp stays in the pocket, even though he's a brilliant passer. His targets are struggling to get open against this defense. I know it's only 1 game but it raised a lot of serious questions about this 49ers team.

Seattle are 1 powerful team and their running game is close to unstoppable. Themselves and Denver look way ahead of the rest.

Watched Texas and Alabama. Manziel looks tiny for the NFL but I read somewhere that he's 6 ft 1". Can that be right?
I'm not a big fan of college ball. It's a bit watery compared with the NFL and, a bit like sevens rugby, there's loads of space and it's too easy for the speedsters to score. The crowd and the atmosphere were great as always but the Texas defense never looked like they could hold Alabama without a penalty or a turnover. Even when Texas were leading early on, an Alabama win looked inevitable.

Texas A&M. The Aggies would love to have been mixed up with the Longhorns 10 or 15 years ago, but not at the moment :D Manziel does look small, but remember he's standing in beside 6' 4'' and 6' 5'' behemoths, so it's not hard to imagine him at 6'1'' either. He's very light too at the moment, but the lad is still an under 21 :D He'll probably go in the draft this year, but he still has two more full years of eligibility because he redshirted as a freshman. I think he needs at least one more year to get ready to be honest. I know some lads have suffered in coming back, but they were heading into their senior year. I'd stay if I were him.

The best QB in the NCAA might well be Oregon's Marcus Mariota. He's very like a Kaepernick kind of a fella.

As regards the merits of College versus NFL, yeah undoubtedly the talent in the NFL is far higher overall, but that's only natural because it's the cream of the crop from college that make the NFL. There are 32 NFL Franchises with active rosters of 53. That's 1,696 active players every week. Many of them will be multi year veterans. In college there are 120 FBS (division 1) schools alone, and each of them can offer 85 scholarships, and along with walk ons can have up to 105 active players. That's 12,600 kids dessed in division 1 alone every week, and they can only play for 4 years max. With that volume and so few, relatively speaking, making the NFL it's a no brainer that the on-field product in the NFL is faster, bigger and better.

However College Football has its own attractions which make it a great sport itself. The Traditions and Rivalries, which really mean something, are huge. There are very few professional games that compare to the likes of Texas v Oklahoma, Notre Dame v USC, Michigan and Ohio State, Alabama-Auburn,  Georgia - Georgia Tech, Army - Navy or numerous other rivalries which have been on the go all over the country for decades. Things like Free Agency and the whole Franchsie element are issues that College Football doesn't have to worry about. Alabama is not about to move to Arkansas anytime soon.

Then you have the pageantry and the ancillary traditions. The Notre Dame Band of the Fighting Irish, Ohio State dotting the i, The Michigan Victory March, Playing between the hedges, running down the hill at Clemson etc etc etc.

College football is very much traditional Americana. Famous Names and history, Mom Pop and Apple Pie, Saturday afternoons and the smell of grilled hotdogs mixing in the air with the sound of the band striking up the school fight song as you play your rivals from across the state. I used to love going to Friday Night Lights football in a high school called Horizon, and then watch college football all day Saturday :)

As regards the talent then, the other thing about the NCAA is that it is great to watch the good players and follow them into the NFL and the next level. I remember Peyton Manning as a Tennessee Volunteer and it;s amazing to watch his progression. There are countless other example of that.

Long story short, I wouldn't simply use the 4 downs you see on the field to compare the two, they are both great but in College it's the full package that makes it great, not just the 60 minutes. In the NFL it's all about Any Given Sunday :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2013, 03:09:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
The Chip Kelly carnival came to somewhat of a halt last night. Vick was sacked 7 times, intercepted twice and capped it off with a fumble to finish. He was under pressure all night but he also ran for 99 yards, probably due to that pressure. He's not going to last long at this rate. At least McCoy (who I have on one fantasy team) was again awesome though he hurt his ankle (not supposed to be too serious).

Alex Smith was excellent again in the bit I saw (4th quarter). I don't think he was treated shabbily at SF - he was simply replaced by a better player - but he is well worthy of being an NFL starter. The Chiefs are 3-0 and even with Denver to play twice they should be in the hunt for the playoffs.

I agree Seanie, on all of that. I think the problem the Eagles will have (apart from trying to keep Vick on the field) is that if they don't score, they are going so fast that their defense is gassed from being on the field all the time. 3 and out in 80 seconds doesn't give your horses a lot of time to water down on the sideline. Kansas are good. I think themselves and San Diego might have an intriguing battle for second in the AFC West. Mind you if Kansas keep going like this it will be a battle with Denver for 1st. Their linebackers are savage.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2013, 05:11:12 PM
The lach of rest for their defense is a huge issue and will tell a tale later in the year. I saw it with da Bears in the Grossman era a lot. Even though it's a passing league primarily, time of possession is key.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 20, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
Kansas City are much better than the Chargers. San Diego needed a last second 47 FG to beat the Eagles last week. Their running game is weak, they are very average at WR and their secondary is brutal, ( Peyton will love playing these guys). Eddie Royal has scored 5 TDs in 2 games, he scored 5 in 3 years before that. Dont be holding your breath on a pro bowl season from him, hes a 3rd reciever , and punt returner. Kansas will give Denver there fill of it, albeit falling a little short. Denver just lost Clady from their OL and are already without their starting center. We shall see I suppose....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2013, 11:31:45 PM
College ball is amazing. There's few better atmospheres or occasions in world sport than big college rivalry games, be it the Iron Bowl, Auburn-Georgia, Okies-Texas and so many more. There's such a wealth of history and passion that it's easy to see the similarities to the GAA.

It makes the NFL look staid by comparison.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 21, 2013, 12:40:39 AM
Hey, Syf,

Isn't the Iron Bowl played between Auburn and Alabama?  Nothing quite like Ohio State/Michigan at the Shoe or the Big House.  105-110,000 or more in attendance.  Almost as good as a Cross/St. Brigid's clash.

Back in the day, though, Browns/Steelers was a terrific rivalry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 21, 2013, 06:39:14 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 20, 2013, 02:59:39 PM

College football is very much traditional Americana. Famous Names and history, Mom Pop and Apple Pie, Saturday afternoons and the smell of grilled hotdogs mixing in the air with the sound of the band striking up the school fight song as you play your rivals from across the state. I used to love going to Friday Night Lights football in a high school called Horizon, and then watch college football all day Saturday :)

As regards the talent then, the other thing about the NCAA is that it is great to watch the good players and follow them into the NFL and the next level. I remember Peyton Manning as a Tennessee Volunteer and it;s amazing to watch his progression. There are countless other example of that.

Long story short, I wouldn't simply use the 4 downs you see on the field to compare the two, they are both great but in College it's the full package that makes it great, not just the 60 minutes. In the NFL it's all about Any Given Sunday :)
Interesting post AZ and it seems like one of those things where you need to have attended some of those games to appreciate it. It does look like a lot of fun.

The Eagles are a right mess all of a sudden and they have a trip to Denver next - they'd better start praying. Kansas play it very safe on offense. Smith didn't try a dangerous pass all night. Charles and Avery were very impressive and I like the policy of just trying to avoid turnovers, even if it means punting the ball away a lot. If you do that, a lot of teams will beat themselves, just as Philly did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 21, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Posting in purple just gave me the best idea. We should all post in our county colors. It would really jazz up the board. If your county has more than 1 color you can choose your favorite (I'm a bit envious of all the Carlow lads).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 21, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 21, 2013, 07:09:24 AM
Posting in purple just gave me the best idea. We should all post in our county colors. It would really jazz up the board. If your county has more than 1 color you can choose your favorite (I'm a bit envious of all the Carlow lads).

Why do you need to chose between your county's colours, Asal?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2013, 06:10:10 PM
Jaysus lads, headache city. Just watching a bit of college ball here on ESPN. It's a poor enough old slate of games this weekend although I'm looking forward to Michigan State and Notre Dame tonight and LSU v Tennessee is a traditionally good scrap too. Then ASU and Stanford later on. The game on now is Minnesota v San Jose State and by god are Minnesota deliberate and run orientated :) joey Galloway is co-commentating and I'd say he is doing his nut watching it as an old receiver. San Jose just scored a long passing TD and he nearly had a fit :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 21, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 21, 2013, 06:10:10 PM
Jaysus lads, headache city. Just watching a bit of college ball here on ESPN. It's a poor enough old slate of games this weekend although I'm looking forward to Michigan State and Notre Dame tonight and LSU v Tennessee is a traditionally good scrap too. Then ASU and Stanford later on. The game on now is Minnesota v San Jose State and by god are Minnesota deliberate and run orientated :) joey Galloway is co-commentating and I'd say he is doing his nut watching it as an old receiver. San Jose just scored a long passing TD and he nearly had a fit :)

I think you mean Auburn-LSU!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2013, 06:43:37 PM
Sorry, I do indeed. Don't know why Tennessee were in my head.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 21, 2013, 08:39:37 PM
This weeks game at the Phins was one I had down as a win for the Falcons. Really not sure now. They can get to the QB and our O-line is rubbery.

I had the Falcons going 10-6 at the start of the season but looking at the schedule now I'm not so sure.

Confident Wins
Rams
Jets
Buccs
@ Panthers
@ Buccs
@ Bills
Redskins
Panthers


Not So Sure Wins
@ Cards
@ Dolphins
Seahawks
Patriots


Probable Losses
@ Saints
Saints
@ Packers
@ 49ers

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 21, 2013, 09:09:14 PM
I'd say 10-6 is about right, juice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on September 21, 2013, 11:57:24 PM
You have them beating the Seahawks?!

Also I don't think they beat Miami in Miami. That D is for real and Atlanta is beat up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 22, 2013, 01:41:01 AM
yeah, well, that makes it 10-6. thats also why they're in the 'not so sure' category.

Seattle aren't as good on the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 22, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
Went with Giants -1.5, Cowboys -3.5, Vikings, Falcons +2.5 and Jets -2.5

was 4 for 5 last week.

Hoping for a big game from the 49ers this week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 22, 2013, 05:13:34 PM
Something wrong here lads

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on September 22, 2013, 08:29:55 PM
thats a very disciplined O-LIne.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 22, 2013, 08:45:41 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 22, 2013, 02:05:11 PM
Went with Giants -1.5, Cowboys -3.5, Vikings, Falcons +2.5 and Jets -2.5

was 4 for 5 last week.

Hoping for a big game from the 49ers this week.

The Giants are getting pummelled! 38-0 down... to CAROLINA!

Still more than ten minutes left. This could be one for the record books!

Eli sacked six times early on!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 23, 2013, 12:11:48 AM
The Vikings lost to the Browns at home this weekend.  :'( jaysus wept. The browns who gave away their best player last week and started their third string quarter back. It looks bad for coach Frasier and QB Christian Ponder. Next week it is the Steelers at Wembley. ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 23, 2013, 12:13:57 AM
This Bills vs Jets game is like watching 2 bald men fighting over a comb
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ranch on September 23, 2013, 12:52:01 AM
Miami still unbeaten. Great to see  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 27, 2013, 02:04:52 PM
The greatest closer of all-time Mariano Rivera played his last game at Yankee Stadium last night

http://wapc.mlb.com/nyy/play/?c_id=nyy&content_id=30974179&topic_id=11493214
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2013, 09:21:57 PM
Great game on ESPN at the moment #6 LSU 14 v #9 Georgia 14.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 06, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
Manning with 3 TDs and it isn't even halftime yet

19TDs 0 INTs on the season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 07, 2013, 12:25:53 AM
what a game 48 - 48 with 2 mins to go. Romo has stepped up to out score Manning, but he just cant get there. 500 yards wow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 07, 2013, 01:00:34 PM
Was knackered last night but couldn't pull myself away from that game. Serious stuff. Really feel sorry for Romo. Wonderful player but just prone to an error at the wrong time. He was awesome last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2013, 02:31:00 PM
Unreal. After the Cards game finished, I headed up to bed, but I was listening on Audio Pass. Great stuff. Romo is a very, very good quarterback but it is things like this that really stop him from being one of the greats.

Manning is great, but he is also prone to the odd mad interception in the playoffs especially. That one last night was a typical January type Peyton pick. He is some man though.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 07, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
One of the most cutting putdowns I've ever seen against a sportsman (whether you agree with it or not) was aimed at Peyton Manning - "meet Mr October".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 03:16:40 PM
Ouch. Americans love to talk about their sportsmen in terms of how clutch they are and it's easy to get labelled as a choker. LeBron James had the choker tag a couple of years ago in all corners of the American media, but 2 NBA titles and 2 MVP awards later he's a clutch player. I'm a recent convert to the NFL but I thought Manning was very unlucky last year. As Phil Simms said it wasn't Peyton Manning who gave up the Hail Mary touchdown to Torrey Smith.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 07, 2013, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 03:16:40 PM
Ouch. Americans love to talk about their sportsmen in terms of how clutch they are and it's easy to get labelled as a choker. LeBron James had the choker tag a couple of years ago in all corners of the American media, but 2 NBA titles and 2 MVP awards later he's a clutch player. I'm a recent convert to the NFL but I thought Manning was very unlucky last year. As Phil Simms said it wasn't Peyton Manning who gave up the Hail Mary touchdown to Torrey Smith.

And as for Scott Hoch...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Last year wasn't the only year though. The Colts had some serious teams over the years, and to only have one Superbowl, when Eli has two!!, is definitely a bit of an underachievement I think. Of course he is brilliant, but his post season stats don't make 'elite' reading.

Peyton's regular season stats are :

229 games, 5352/7991 for a completion percentage of 65.5, 456 TDs versus 210 INTs, QB Rating - 96.7

Postseason is :

20 games, 481/761 for a completion percentage of 63.21, 32 TDs versus 21 INTs, QB Rating - 88.4.

Interesting that his INTs per passing attempt is 'only' 2 passing attempts worse in the Post Season. He throws an interception every 38.05 pass attempts in the regular season, and every 36.25 attempts in the post season.

Much more interesting is his touchdown per attempt stats. Obviously playoff defenses are by their nature better, but in 229 regular season games, he throws a touchdown every 17.52 pass attempts. In 20 post season games that drops to 23.78 pass attempts.

The worst stat though in my eyes looking at this is the INTS to TD ratio. In the regular season he has a touchdown/interception ratio of  2.17. In the playoffs it falls to 1.52.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
And would the other elite quarterbacks perform to the same level statisically as they do in the regular season AZ, given(as you said) that the defenses are better in the playoffs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 04:23:37 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 07, 2013, 03:46:44 PM

And as for Scott Hoch...
:) Poor fella. What was it about Faldo that seemed to reduce his opponents to nervous wrecks?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Just for giggles, the other great QBs of this generation would be, I suppose, Brady, Rodgers and Brees....

Rodgers Regular Season...
1853/2817    65.8%    180 TDs versus 49 INTS (Ratio of 3.67:1), QB Rating 105.0
Rodgers Post Season
193/292 66.1%. 18 TDs to 5 INTS (ratio 3.6 : 1), QB Rating 104.0


Brady Regular Season
3909/6154 63.5%, 341 TDs versus 126 INTs (ratio of 2.7:1), QB Rating 96.0
Brady Post Season
553/887 62.3%, 42 TSs versus 22 INTs (ratio of 1.9:1) QB Rating 87.0


Brees Regular Season
4175/6350 for 65.7%, 336 TDs v 169 INTS (ratio of 1.98:1), QB Rating 95
Brees Post Season
262/391 for 67%, 22 TDs v 4 INTs (ratio of 5.5:1), QB Rating 104.




All in all looks like Rodgers is Mr Consistency, while Brees comes out on top in Post Season performances. Obviously sample size comes into it. Brady and Manning are very similar which is interesting. Interesting though that Manning's TD to INT ratio is lower than anyone elses in either regular or post season, but his post season at 1.5:1 is significantly lower than the other 3. Next worst is Brady at 1.9 to 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 04:37:13 PM
Interesting stuff, I'd have thought Brady's would have been better. I think (and I'm open to correction on this) he'd have the reputation as a great pressure player - probably deserved too, with a few Superbowls won and being a couple of Wes Welker drops away from a couple more. I think he's also renowned for his late drives with very little time on the clock.

And you mentioned Eli's 2 Superbowls to Peyton's 1. I was watching a Giants game recently where they were behind going into the last five minutes but had possession and the great Kris Collinsworth said " you know, there's a lot of quarterbacks I'd take ahead of Eli, but in the last 5 there aren't many".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 04:58:46 PM
One stat that caught my eye from the weekend was Kaeppernick only completing 6 passes from 15 attempts. Those are Tim Tebow type numbers. The 49ers had a great win all the same but I wonder if they are starting to worry that they might have gone with the wrong guy, with Alex Smith 5-0 at Kansas. I think Kaeppernick is a phenomenon who'll come good but he's really struggling lately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 07, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Joe Flacco's playoff TD:INT ratio is 19:8, or 2.375:1 and he's an average, ahem, Joe.

The NFL is a passing league but defenses bite back in January.

Regarding Kaepernick - it's not even for discussion that he is light years ahead of Smith. He has no-one to throw to at present and on Sunday it didn't matter so they didn't bother. He can do it all though. Smith is a good QB too and Reid will and is getting the best outof him but I know who I'd want at the helm in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 07, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 07, 2013, 03:16:40 PM
Ouch. Americans love to talk about their sportsmen in terms of how clutch they are and it's easy to get labelled as a choker. LeBron James had the choker tag a couple of years ago in all corners of the American media, but 2 NBA titles and 2 MVP awards later he's a clutch player. I'm a recent convert to the NFL but I thought Manning was very unlucky last year. As Phil Simms said it wasn't Peyton Manning who gave up the Hail Mary touchdown to Torrey Smith.

The shouts against LeBron were absolute nonsense though. Last year before the first title they were still at it when he passed instead of shooting at the death in the All Star game ffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 07, 2013, 06:53:56 PM
Brady has three rings, Manning has one, his younger brother has two for Gods sake, the teams are better in the playoffs and that is why Manning has struggled, I would take Rodgers all day long over Manning over a whole season, manning is a tremendous regular season player and a good post season player.

Brady the the best of them all, the rings have it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2013, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Joe Flacco's playoff TD:INT ratio is 19:8, or 2.375:1 and he's an average, ahem, Joe.

The NFL is a passing league but defenses bite back in January.

Regarding Kaepernick - it's not even for discussion that he is light years ahead of Smith. He has no-one to throw to at present and on Sunday it didn't matter so they didn't bother. He can do it all though. Smith is a good QB too and Reid will and is getting the best outof him but I know who I'd want at the helm in the playoffs.

Absolutely agree with you Seanie. I wouldn't be a big man for stats unless they are put in context. I do think it's interesting that Mannings stats kind of bear out the eyetest though. It's not imaginary that he does struggle (relatively speaking) in the playoffs. As I said, not particularly surprising given the fact that he played in the AFC when some very strong defences were in the playoffs each year (Ravens, Steelers, Patriots etc).

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
If its all about the rings then surely Eli is better than Brady as both his rings came against the Pats ?  ;)

"Mr October" is extremely harsh on Manning. The Colts were 3-13 the year he was drafted. There are too many facets of the game to hang it all on the QB, offence, defence and special teams. Mannings regular season probably was padded slightly with the colts playing in a relatively weak division, expansion Texans, Jags had been uncompetitive for a long time. Anyone that reckons Eli is a better QB needs their head examined, he had a tremendous defence to help him win two Superbowls.

After Edgerrin James was done in Indy their running game was never anything other than serviceable. A slightly soft Defence probably held them back in the playoffs too.

It may seem like i am making loads of excuses for Peyton, maybe i am  ;D, but i wouldnt have been his biggest fan over the years and thought he was slightly over rated but you cant argue with what he has done.

Cnsidering what he has done since what could have been a career ending neck injury is unbelievable.

You cant really use Montanas time with the 49ers as a barometer, as due to free agency and expansion there has been a greater dilution of talent across the league and teams breaking up almost every year or two.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 08, 2013, 04:26:58 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
If its all about the rings then surely Eli is better than Brady as both his rings came against the Pats ?  ;)

"Mr October" is extremely harsh on Manning. The Colts were 3-13 the year he was drafted. There are too many facets of the game to hang it all on the QB, offence, defence and special teams. Mannings regular season probably was padded slightly with the colts playing in a relatively weak division, expansion Texans, Jags had been uncompetitive for a long time. Anyone that reckons Eli is a better QB needs their head examined, he had a tremendous defence to help him win two Superbowls.

After Edgerrin James was done in Indy their running game was never anything other than serviceable. A slightly soft Defence probably held them back in the playoffs too.

It may seem like i am making loads of excuses for Peyton, maybe i am  ;D, but i wouldnt have been his biggest fan over the years and thought he was slightly over rated but you cant argue with what he has done.

Cnsidering what he has done since what could have been a career ending neck injury is unbelievable.

You cant really use Montanas time with the 49ers as a barometer, as due to free agency and expansion there has been a greater dilution of talent across the league and teams breaking up almost every year or two.

3  rings beats two all day long minder, no one on the planet thinks Manning lite is better than Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 08, 2013, 10:51:49 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 07, 2013, 08:43:25 PM
"Mr October" is extremely harsh on Manning.

I don't know if it is fair or not. It probably isn't - the article I read it in was written before the Colts won the Super Bowl and Tom Brady had yet to have his veneer of playoff invincibility punctured by the younger Manning. But in the context of the clutch/choke dynamic referred to by Asal Mor, it's a brilliant insult.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 08, 2013, 11:17:51 AM
Someone here said Peyton won his SB against "a poor team".

Firstly it's impossible for "a poor team" to make the SB. Bears were 13-3 that regular season. That was a team with an absolutely brilliant defense playing at the height of their powers and the best special team unit (all-time???) in the NFL admittedly to make up for a terrible QB. Da Bears weren't that far from winning that game, they were a good team. Rex's 3 turnovers plus two others were too much to overcome. All Grossman had to be was a game manager and that Bears team would have won that SB but he couldn't even manage that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 08, 2013, 05:36:04 PM
Interesting take on doing an onside kick

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 08, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
Julio Jones out for the rest of the year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 08, 2013, 06:16:57 PM
Julio Jones out for the rest of the year

Looks like it. Atlanta have been getting no luck. I own him in the Montana League so I felt sick when I heard it. Reports saying it's related to the surgery he has to fix his foot after the combine in 2011. That does not sound great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 09, 2013, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 07, 2013, 05:01:50 PM
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Joe Flacco's playoff TD:INT ratio is 19:8, or 2.375:1 and he's an average, ahem, Joe.

The NFL is a passing league but defenses bite back in January.

Regarding Kaepernick - it's not even for discussion that he is light years ahead of Smith. He has no-one to throw to at present and on Sunday it didn't matter so they didn't bother. He can do it all though. Smith is a good QB too and Reid will and is getting the best outof him but I know who I'd want at the helm in the playoffs.

Define light years, forgive me i'm a huge NFL (and 49ers) fan but only been really into it this past 4/5 years or so, im learning everytime i watch.

I understand Smith was in and out of the 49ers starting QB berth pre Harbaugh but he was a No1 draft pick (Rodgers year i think) which portrays natural talent. He was 2 very bad special team mistakes away from a Super bowl 2 years ago, started last year like a house on fire with top stats until he got injured and replaced . Traded to Kansas and is killing it there with Andy Reid, whats not to like about him at present (also considering how hard it is for NFL to actually find a good QB)

i just feel he gets a bad press and has been hard done by. I really like Kaepernick but in my eyes he couldn't possibly be light years ahead of Smith.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2013, 05:05:40 PM
Kaepernick can do everything. Smith cannot do certain things like throw down the field or run. He's a good QB but Kaepernick is just sensational in my book. His arm strength is ridiculous and his accuracy is just as good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 09, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2013, 05:05:40 PM
Kaepernick can do everything. Smith cannot do certain things like throw down the field or run. He's a good QB but Kaepernick is just sensational in my book. His arm strength is ridiculous and his accuracy is just as good.

I agree for the most part Seanie but teams now seem capable of figuring him out, he has had a couple of less than stellar games already this season and they have lost.

I think he will be right up there with Brady and Rodgers and PM in a year or so but he needs to be consistently excellent to be thought of in the same league as those three.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2013, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: stew on October 09, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2013, 05:05:40 PM
Kaepernick can do everything. Smith cannot do certain things like throw down the field or run. He's a good QB but Kaepernick is just sensational in my book. His arm strength is ridiculous and his accuracy is just as good.

I agree for the most part Seanie but teams now seem capable of figuring him out, he has had a couple of less than stellar games already this season and they have lost.

I think he will be right up there with Brady and Rodgers and PM in a year or so but he needs to be consistently excellent to be thought of in the same league as those three.

Agree but he is also hampered by (a) conservative play calling/ coaches relying on strong defense and (b) lack of weapons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 10, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2013, 11:32:11 PM
Agree but he is also hampered by (a) conservative play calling/ coaches relying on strong defense and (b) lack of weapons.

That doesn't help Boldin either who made huge plays from contested catches in last year's play-offs. They seem to be waiting for him to get open rather than just lobbing it in his direction like Joe used to do.

Not sure about Kapp being way ahead of Smith. It's like saying that Joe Canning is better than Henry Shefflin. We all know he has more talent but he has a bit to do yet.  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 10, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
Young lad taking the piss in only his 3rd NHL game - he's scored 6 goals already

(http://i.imgur.com/wahiHvv.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 10, 2013, 06:01:31 PM
(http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/American-Indian-Graphic.png)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 10, 2013, 06:33:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 10, 2013, 04:38:00 PM
Young lad taking the piss in only his 3rd NHL game - he's scored 6 goals already

(http://i.imgur.com/wahiHvv.gif)

That's unreal.

Must be near time for another visit Gab, we miss you on family night.  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 11, 2013, 02:57:32 PM
Mad wicked skillz as the young folk say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 11, 2013, 07:07:13 PM
An absolutely horrific story

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/11/report-petersons-son-beaten-in-critical-condition/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 11, 2013, 10:38:32 PM
Very sad. The little lad died. Some absolute scumbags around. The family situations of a lot of these nfl lads is far from ideal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 11, 2013, 10:47:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 11, 2013, 10:38:32 PM
Very sad. The little lad died. Some absolute scumbags around. The family situations of a lot of these nfl lads is far from ideal.

Sad alright. So the fella being held is the boyfriend of the kids mother ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 11, 2013, 10:52:34 PM
Apparently so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 11, 2013, 10:55:44 PM
Just reading that about Peterson. Terribly sad story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 12, 2013, 12:26:08 AM
Would break your bloody heart,

RIP kid


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 12, 2013, 03:49:02 AM
Absolutely tragic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 12, 2013, 05:34:17 AM
There's few words for that. Rest in peace little one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2013, 07:25:57 AM
Not sure if that boy is the lad in question. That picture I think is Adrian jr. This child was living in South Dakota with the mother, who was no longer with Peterson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 13, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
Kansas -7.5 indy -1.5 viking -2.5 jets +1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 14, 2013, 03:02:18 PM
Great photo just moments after David Ortiz hit a Grand Slam home-run last night to tie the game near the end of game 2 of the ALCS between the Red Sox and Tigers last night.

(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/21127277/det1.0_cinema_1050.0.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on October 17, 2013, 02:40:49 PM
Is that you beside the cop?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 17, 2013, 02:59:33 PM
This probably captures the moment better:

(http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/2013/bdd_flip.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 20, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
How is the cop on the right in deiseach's pic and on the left in GBB's pic??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 20, 2013, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 20, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
How is the cop on the right in deiseach's pic and on the left in GBB's pic??

It's the angle/location the two photos are taken at I would say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on October 20, 2013, 11:11:29 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 20, 2013, 09:31:37 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 20, 2013, 09:29:13 PM
How is the cop on the right in deiseach's pic and on the left in GBB's pic??

It's the angle/location the two photos are taken at I would say

Parallax.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 27, 2013, 08:33:19 PM
Lets go Falcons! Beat those Cards!!

(sorry AZ)

Lets start salvaging our season.


Nevermind, congratulations AZ. I know its not even half time but it's over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2013, 12:50:19 PM
Good win for the cards. 4-4 now and still alive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 29, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 29, 2013, 12:50:19 PM
Good win for the cards. 4-4 now and still alive.

Very solid defense and QB is not terrible. Hard outfit to beat especially at home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 29, 2013, 03:58:12 PM
This series is as good as I have ever seen, being a brew crew fan as my in state team I am a Cardinals hater but despite the arrogance and swagger they are a tremendously run organization, that said Boston have this, this is their year and how fitting is that given what happened at the marathon this year.

C'mon Red Sox, win another World series!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2013, 04:26:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 29, 2013, 02:11:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 29, 2013, 12:50:19 PM
Good win for the cards. 4-4 now and still alive.

Very solid defense and QB is not terrible. Hard outfit to beat especially at home.

If the Offensive line can hold up they have a chance, but if Palmer gets pressure it's over. He's not comfortable in a collapsing pocket, and is not elusive enough to escape it. I am encouraged though. The defense is good, they are getting pressure up front, their linebackers are solid and Peterson and Matthieu are leading a defensive secondary that's looking better every week.

They are still prone to giving up big plays though, especially to tight ends, but they are improving.

I'll need to see a bit more out of the offense, but Ellington has been a great find, and the other rookie, Taylor, out of Stanford may well turn into their power back. Ellington is like woodhead or sproles, but Taylor is more of your traditional between the tackles runner. Wideout is decent, but poor auld Andre Roberts must have pissed in Carson Palmers tea or something. Larry Fitz is not 100% but is a real leader and a warrior. Michael Floyd, a Notre Dame man, has stepped up to be the Palmers go to guy, even ahead of Fitz. Housler can catch at TE as well.

I'd still be happy with 8-8 or 9-7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on October 31, 2013, 04:46:54 PM
Lads totally off topic but what ever happened to the college player who lied about his girlfriend dying ( I think ) was he signed in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
Mantei Teo. Notre Dame linebacker (badly missed this year too). Drafted by the Chargers, was injured and didn't start the season, but he's on the roster now and I've seen him on the field at linebacker for them. He looks small in the NFL though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2013, 05:18:35 PM
My current NFL Power rankings after 8 weeks. What do ye think? Basically you can read it that I think the team at #31 would beat the team at #32 in a hypothetical 5 game series at a neutral venue. So some teams that have beaten others will still be below them because maybe it was at home, or they've picked up injuries or whatever.

                                          Record
1   Denver Broncos         7-1
2   New Orleans Saints         6-1
3   Seattle Seahawks         7-1
4   Kansas City Chiefs         8-0
5   San Francisco 49ers         6-2
6   Green Bay Packers         5-2
7   Indianapolis Colts         5-2
8   Cincinatti Bengals         6-2
9   New England Patriots      6-2
10   Detroit Lions                 5-3
11   Dallas Cowboys         4-4
12   Chicago Bears                 4-3
13   San Diego Chargers         4-3
14   Baltimore Ravens         3-4
15   Carolina Panthers         4-3
16   Tennessee Titans         3-4
17   Oakland Raiders         3-4
18   Arizona Cardinals         4-4
19   Washington Redskins      2-5
20   Saint Louis Rams         3-5
21   Miami Dolphins                 3-4
22   New York Jets                 4-4
23   Buffalo Bills                 3-5
24   Pittsburgh Steelers         2-5
25   Cleveland Browns         3-5
26   Philadelphia Eagles         3-5
27   New York Giants         2-6
28   Atlanta Falcons         2-5
29   Houston Texans         2-5
30   Minnesota Vikings         1-6
31   Tampa Bay Buccaneers      0-7
32   Jacksonville Jaguars         0-8
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 31, 2013, 05:32:50 PM
Looks pretty solid, id have 49ers above chiefs, but with so many teams it hard to make everyone happy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2013, 06:00:10 PM
Really, really ecstatic with Auburn's revival under Malzahn this year. Winning at College Station ended A&M's title hopes and opened the door for Auburn to make a run at the division, SEC and national titles.

Arkanas this weekend and the Vols next week, both away. They could be banana skins but the real test will be the rivalry game against Georgia the week after but the Bulldogs' season has come apart at the seems and they have to travel to Jordan-Hare - when Auburn are going well that's one hell of a home field advantage.

If they do the business in those three games.. Bama at Jordan-Hare in the Iron Bowl as the final game of the regular season will take on a life of its own. It would essentially be a de facto national title quarter-final, nevermind providing passage to the SEC title game for the winner. The Iron Bowl is one of the great college rivalry games and this year's meeting could be one of the biggest of all-time.

I just hope Auburn win out, Bama don't need any luck to do likewise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2013, 07:10:27 PM
The Auburn story has been great this year alright. I was just looking at the BCS standings there. It'd be some semi final lineup if the playoffs started this weekend instead of next year.   

#1 Alabama v #4 Ohio State
#2 Oregon v #3 Florida State


As good as Auburns story is, Florida State is unreal. Urban Maeir is still unbeaten at Ohio, but this year they are bowl and BCS eligible. Oregon have been so close and the Tide are a dynasty at this stage. I can't wait for some of the games coming up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 01, 2013, 04:42:28 AM
(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/shane-victorino-pounds-his-chest-after-hitting-a-triple.gif?w=600)

Sox Nation baby!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 01, 2013, 11:01:17 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 31, 2013, 05:18:35 PM
My current NFL Power rankings after 8 weeks. What do ye think? Basically you can read it that I think the team at #31 would beat the team at #32 in a hypothetical 5 game series at a neutral venue. So some teams that have beaten others will still be below them because maybe it was at home, or they've picked up injuries or whatever.

                                          Record
1   Denver Broncos         7-1
2   New Orleans Saints         6-1
3   Seattle Seahawks         7-1
4   Kansas City Chiefs         8-0
5   San Francisco 49ers         6-2
6   Green Bay Packers         5-2
7   Indianapolis Colts         5-2
8   Cincinatti Bengals         6-2
9   New England Patriots      6-2
10   Detroit Lions                 5-3
11   Dallas Cowboys         4-4
12   Chicago Bears                 4-3
13   San Diego Chargers         4-3
14   Baltimore Ravens         3-4
15   Carolina Panthers         4-3
16   Tennessee Titans         3-4
17   Oakland Raiders         3-4
18   Arizona Cardinals         4-4
19   Washington Redskins      2-5
20   Saint Louis Rams         3-5
21   Miami Dolphins                 3-4
22   New York Jets                 4-4
23   Buffalo Bills                 3-5
24   Pittsburgh Steelers         2-5
25   Cleveland Browns         3-5
26   Philadelphia Eagles         3-5
27   New York Giants         2-6
28   Atlanta Falcons         2-5
29   Houston Texans         2-5
30   Minnesota Vikings         1-6
31   Tampa Bay Buccaneers      0-7
32   Jacksonville Jaguars         0-8

Not a lot to argue with there. I'd have NO ahead of Denver just now and I think the 'niners and Seahawks will be come the playoffs. Can't wait for the two KC v. Den games upcoming.

I also think you're very low on the Panthers. They'd be borderline top 10 for me, probably ahead of my beloved (but currently toothless) Bears.

New England must be the worst 6-2 team in NFL history. How does Belichick do it?

Edit - one word made the meaning of what I said the total opposite. Am not completely sold on Denver, think New Orleans are a tougher team to beat (though somehow New England managed it).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2013, 11:10:25 AM
I spent a lot of time over the Panthers. I can't get rid of the sight of the Cardinals giving them a beating. Now I rank them ahead of the Card on my basis of 5 game neutral venue criteria, but the way the Cardinals took the Panther offense out of the game makes me a little bit wary of them. They've done what you should be doing, which is trimming bad teams, especially at home, but they have lost to the Bills and Cardinals on the road. Week 10 at San Francisco is probably a good chance for them to make a statement about themselves either way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 01, 2013, 11:14:06 AM
Would put the Seahawks ahead of the Saints. Young and yet to be really tested this year but am convinced they'll come good. Can't wait to see what Harvin brings to them, assuming he returns in good shape.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2013, 11:15:38 AM
Yeah, the top 4 or even 5 are probably interchangeable, but given my caveat of the 'neutral' site, I'm not sure the Seahawks would beat the Saints 3 times out of 5. If it was up in Seattle, I'd have them winning at least 4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2013, 11:23:34 AM
Just on the Pats 6-2. They will probably stabilise and win the division with 11-5 or something like that, but I think they were blessed with their early season schedule. Bills, Jets (at their lowest probably), Buccs and Falcons meant a 4-0 start. Since then they are 2-2 with losses to the Bengals and a better Jets team. Their best win of the season is the Saints win at home. However even the Miami win last week wasn't straightforward. I know your record doesn't lie, but I do think it's being economical with the truth at least in the Pats' case.

Having said all that, the rest of their schedule isn't exactly fearsome.
Steelers at home
Panthers away (that will be a big test for both teams)
Broncos at home
Texans away
Browns at home
Dolphins away
Ravens away
Bills at home.

I think if they beat the Steelers this week they will go 10-6 at the very least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2013, 11:27:08 AM
I would love to see Cam in the playoffs, he's doing wonders with some very strangling GMing on the offensive side of the ball. At least the defense is coming through a bit this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 01, 2013, 11:29:45 AM
Patriots would want to improve - that's not all that straighforward. They're lucky to have those 6 wins on the board. Is Brady hurt? he has been "Tom terrible" so far (please God let him not "go off" this weekend with me playing AZ!!!).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
Terrible Tom is one of the many reasons why my title defense has been an unmitigated disaster. 1-7, and lucky to get 1. But I will keep grinding, so you'll get nothing handed to you :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 01, 2013, 12:57:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 01, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
Terrible Tom is one of the many reasons why my title defense has been an unmitigated disaster. 1-7, and lucky to get 1. But I will keep grinding, so you'll get nothing handed to you :)

I know well! These bye weeks are a killer. Marvin Jones' TD streak was broken last night (he performed about how I expected to be fair). He had one chalked of for a holding penalty - hope that's not a sign of things to come for this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 02, 2013, 09:36:55 AM
Quote from: deiseach on October 17, 2013, 02:59:33 PM
This probably captures the moment better:

(http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/2013/bdd_flip.jpg)

And the circle is complete.

(http://d3fsqtc6sy2z27.cloudfront.net/uploads/6db207f89cc02afdb9ed5e3bbcf04731_large)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 03, 2013, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 01, 2013, 04:42:28 AM
(http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/shane-victorino-pounds-his-chest-after-hitting-a-triple.gif?w=600)

Sox Nation baby!

Boston strong!!! Love me some Red Sox!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 04, 2013, 12:50:15 AM
Nick Foles equalled the all-time record for TD passes in a game today.

Perhaps even more unbelievably, the Steelers have shipped 55 points to the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on November 04, 2013, 06:29:53 AM
Another action packed Sunday. Big score for the Pats. The Incognito story with the Dolphins is a bit nuts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 04, 2013, 11:07:09 AM
Well the band (Brady and Gronk) looked like it was back together yesterday. Gronkowski looked significantly better than the last 2 games and Brady looed like Brady for the first time this season really.

I would have survived Brady's renaissance if it were not for Andre Johnson going nuts. No TD's in 7 straight and he gets 3 to go with 9-229 so No. 10 knocks off No. 1 in Montana. Bloody fantasy football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 05, 2013, 11:47:46 AM
GO BEARS!!!! That was a sweet one and waaaay overdue against Americas darlings. Defense is a big worry but hopefully Briggs will be back soon and maybe Ratclif will help the porous D-line when he is fit. Gotta hand it to Trestman and his coaches and credit to McCown also for his performance. NFC North is now blown wide open - 3 teams on 5-3 and any of them can win it. Another huge one next week at home to Detroit and Cutler may be back for what could well be a high scoring battle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 05, 2013, 01:47:49 PM
This Incognito buck with the Dolphins appear to be some lowlife. If the reports are true, he'll not play NFL again, and deservedly so. Always nice to see a bully taken down!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 05, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 05, 2013, 01:47:49 PM
This Incognito buck with the Dolphins appear to be some lowlife. If the reports are true, he'll not play NFL again, and deservedly so. Always nice to see a bully taken down!

Agreed. Some teammate! I hope Martin can get back playing and get over this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
Exciting times in Auburn, they cruised past Arkansas and the Vols (both away) and now only Georgia stands between them and what would be a monumental Iron Bowl at home to Bama.

Georgia is a huge rivalry game in itself for Auburn so they need to be fully focused on the Bulldogs or their season could take a nasty turn. They'll have two weeks to prepare for Bama's arrival as they have a bye week after the Georgia game.

Looking forward to LSU @ Bama tonight, the Tide's only other serious challenge between now and the end of the regular season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 10, 2013, 12:07:42 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 05, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 05, 2013, 01:47:49 PM
This Incognito buck with the Dolphins appear to be some lowlife. If the reports are true, he'll not play NFL again, and deservedly so. Always nice to see a bully taken down!

Agreed. Some teammate! I hope Martin can get back playing and get over this.

Unfortunately I'd say Martin is unlikely to be very welcome in an NFL locker-room either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 10, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
Exciting times in Auburn, they cruised past Arkansas and the Vols (both away) and now only Georgia stands between them and what would be a monumental Iron Bowl at home to Bama.

Georgia is a huge rivalry game in itself for Auburn so they need to be fully focused on the Bulldogs or their season could take a nasty turn. They'll have two weeks to prepare for Bama's arrival as they have a bye week after the Georgia game.

Looking forward to LSU @ Bama tonight, the Tide's only other serious challenge between now and the end of the regular season.

Can't see auburn challengin bama, their too one dimensional so saban has between an the last game of the season to focus on stoppin the run game. Think florida state are the only team able to stop bama winnin another national title
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballinaman on November 10, 2013, 09:23:46 PM
That Hail Mary in the ravens bengals game was gas...what was yer man at!!volleyball!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on November 10, 2013, 09:49:33 PM
havent seen it, but that pass all the talk online
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 10, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 10, 2013, 09:49:33 PM
havent seen it, but that pass all the talk online

http://deadspin.com/the-bengals-forced-overtime-with-this-ridiculous-hail-m-1461903490?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 10, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
Exciting times in Auburn, they cruised past Arkansas and the Vols (both away) and now only Georgia stands between them and what would be a monumental Iron Bowl at home to Bama.

Georgia is a huge rivalry game in itself for Auburn so they need to be fully focused on the Bulldogs or their season could take a nasty turn. They'll have two weeks to prepare for Bama's arrival as they have a bye week after the Georgia game.

Looking forward to LSU @ Bama tonight, the Tide's only other serious challenge between now and the end of the regular season.

Can't see auburn challengin bama, their too one dimensional so saban has between an the last game of the season to focus on stoppin the run game. Think florida state are the only team able to stop bama winnin another national title

While I agree - Auburn would need to show more in the passing game against the Tide to have any hope, Saban loves to stop a team's main weapon (in Auburn's case, a stellar option offense) and see if they have enough to still be within an ass' roar of Bama - strange things happen in the Iron Bowl. Just look at the 2010 edition where Cam led Auburn from 24-7 down at HT to win in Bryant-Denny in the game that sent Auburn to their SEC and BSC national titles.

Interestingly enough historically Bama's toughest challenges have came from teams with dynamic running/option offenses. I think it could be a hell of a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on November 11, 2013, 12:35:17 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 10, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on November 10, 2013, 09:49:33 PM
havent seen it, but that pass all the talk online

http://deadspin.com/the-bengals-forced-overtime-with-this-ridiculous-hail-m-1461903490?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Savage. AJ Green will never have an easier catch in the end zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 12, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Great to see the Bucs win last night - interesting week in NFL - thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the games!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on November 13, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
2 NBA teams haven't managed to score 100 points yet this year - the 0-8 Jazz and the 8-0 Pacers.

The Pacers defence has picked up from where it left off last year but the real difference is the bench. CJ Watson and Scola have made such a massive difference and bringing the second unit is no longer a sign that the team is going to be outscored by 8-10 in the next while. Particularly Watson - he's steady and can keep his defender honest.
I think this is going to be a great season to be a Pacers fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on November 13, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on November 12, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Great to see the Bucs win last night - interesting week in NFL - thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the games!

The Dolphins are done for the year after that Incognito fiasco.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on November 13, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on November 12, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Great to see the Bucs win last night - interesting week in NFL - thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the games!

The Dolphins are done for the year after that Incognito fiasco.

I hope they don't win another game. The way they circled the wagons around Incognito was something I found sickening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 14, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I wonder was Incognito a patsy. It's very strange that basically ALL the Dolphins have come out and said that Incognito was a grand lad, and a leader blah blah blah. This, to me, reeks of the Dolphins suspending Incognito (who is a dirty hoor) because they are trying to avoid a scandal. Maybe an investigation of what goes on there would show that his treatment of Martin was not just tolerated, but maybe actively encouraged.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 14, 2013, 10:21:09 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on November 13, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on November 12, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Great to see the Bucs win last night - interesting week in NFL - thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the games!

The Dolphins are done for the year after that Incognito fiasco.

I hope they don't win another game. The way they circled the wagons around Incognito was something I found sickening.

There seems to be a lot mor to this story than Martin good guy, Incognito bad guy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on November 14, 2013, 10:28:24 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2013, 10:21:09 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 14, 2013, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on November 13, 2013, 09:27:04 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on November 12, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
Great to see the Bucs win last night - interesting week in NFL - thoroughly enjoyed a lot of the games!

The Dolphins are done for the year after that Incognito fiasco.

I hope they don't win another game. The way they circled the wagons around Incognito was something I found sickening.

There seems to be a lot mor to this story than Martin good guy, Incognito bad guy

Agree Syferus. The texts are very interesting. Martin said he doesn't blame him in one of the last ones. They sent 1000+ messages in the last two years or something like that. Very weird.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on November 14, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 14, 2013, 10:12:16 AM
I wonder was Incognito a patsy. It's very strange that basically ALL the Dolphins have come out and said that Incognito was a grand lad, and a leader blah blah blah. This, to me, reeks of the Dolphins suspending Incognito (who is a dirty hoor) because they are trying to avoid a scandal. Maybe an investigation of what goes on there would show that his treatment of Martin was not just tolerated, but maybe actively encouraged.
I'd be slow to point the finger at the Dolphins. The hazing of rookies seems to be what happens at every club. There was complaints by Martin of being landed with bills of thousands of dollars on restaurants and hotels, but apparently that's very common. The rookies are exploited and that's the way it is. Larry Fitzgerald said that in his first year he spent over $15k "looking after the veterans" and he was fine with it.

The messages when heard in isolation sound awful, but again I bet that's the type of "banter" that happens at every team.

Its all a load of nonsense of course, and shouldnt be acceptable, but as I said I bet it happens at nearly every team and it should be all of them not just the Dolphins that change their ways.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 14, 2013, 01:05:48 PM
Sorry, I think you're 100% correct. I was talking about the Dolphins specifically in this case, and maybe this went beyond the pale a bit, but I'm sure any investigation, taken out of the 'locker room' context into any NFL team would show similar situations.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 14, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 10, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
Exciting times in Auburn, they cruised past Arkansas and the Vols (both away) and now only Georgia stands between them and what would be a monumental Iron Bowl at home to Bama.

Georgia is a huge rivalry game in itself for Auburn so they need to be fully focused on the Bulldogs or their season could take a nasty turn. They'll have two weeks to prepare for Bama's arrival as they have a bye week after the Georgia game.

Looking forward to LSU @ Bama tonight, the Tide's only other serious challenge between now and the end of the regular season.

Can't see auburn challengin bama, their too one dimensional so saban has between an the last game of the season to focus on stoppin the run game. Think florida state are the only team able to stop bama winnin another national title

While I agree - Auburn would need to show more in the passing game against the Tide to have any hope, Saban loves to stop a team's main weapon (in Auburn's case, a stellar option offense) and see if they have enough to still be within an ass' roar of Bama - strange things happen in the Iron Bowl. Just look at the 2010 edition where Cam led Auburn from 24-7 down at HT to win in Bryant-Denny in the game that sent Auburn to their SEC and BSC national titles.

Interestingly enough historically Bama's toughest challenges have came from teams with dynamic running/option offenses. I think it could be a hell of a game.

I agree that anything can happen in a local rivalry (who seen the result in the red river rivalry game coming this year), however the difference between 2010 and now is Auburn had Cam Newton and a defensive line who where animals, I just don't see the same difference makers in this Auburn team. Still have memories of the 2010 game, best game by a qb I've ever seen!

Average slate of games on this week!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 14, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 14, 2013, 01:26:05 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 10:26:11 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 10, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2013, 12:42:33 AM
Exciting times in Auburn, they cruised past Arkansas and the Vols (both away) and now only Georgia stands between them and what would be a monumental Iron Bowl at home to Bama.

Georgia is a huge rivalry game in itself for Auburn so they need to be fully focused on the Bulldogs or their season could take a nasty turn. They'll have two weeks to prepare for Bama's arrival as they have a bye week after the Georgia game.

Looking forward to LSU @ Bama tonight, the Tide's only other serious challenge between now and the end of the regular season.

Can't see auburn challengin bama, their too one dimensional so saban has between an the last game of the season to focus on stoppin the run game. Think florida state are the only team able to stop bama winnin another national title

While I agree - Auburn would need to show more in the passing game against the Tide to have any hope, Saban loves to stop a team's main weapon (in Auburn's case, a stellar option offense) and see if they have enough to still be within an ass' roar of Bama - strange things happen in the Iron Bowl. Just look at the 2010 edition where Cam led Auburn from 24-7 down at HT to win in Bryant-Denny in the game that sent Auburn to their SEC and BSC national titles.

Interestingly enough historically Bama's toughest challenges have came from teams with dynamic running/option offenses. I think it could be a hell of a game.

I agree that anything can happen in a local rivalry (who seen the result in the red river rivalry game coming this year), however the difference between 2010 and now is Auburn had Cam Newton and a defensive line who where animals, I just don't see the same difference makers in this Auburn team. Still have memories of the 2010 game, best game by a qb I've ever seen!

Average slate of games on this week!

Nick Marshall - particularly when aided by a RB as good as Tre Mason - is the key cog in an option attack just as good as Cam's, if not better.  It's just he doesn't have or hasn't shown an aptitude for making the sorts of throws that made Cam the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

Auburn have a huge rivalry game this week too, they cannot afford to take Georgia for granted, even at Jordan-Hare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 14, 2013, 09:01:39 PM
I think Georgia will give Auburn all they can handle. They are getting important players back, and I like Aaron Murray at QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 17, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Auburn beat Georgia in one of the most incredible games I've ever seen. Down two points, fourth and forever in their own half and with 30 ticks left and this happens? Unreal.

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/TIGERS.gif)

One more game to go..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 17, 2013, 02:03:09 AM
The DB's should be shot, especially the guy coming over who sees the full picture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 17, 2013, 10:38:12 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 17, 2013, 02:03:09 AM
The DB's should be shot, especially the guy coming over who sees the full picture.

Surely there should have been a safety about the 20 yd line, incase he did make a catch, not two DBs going for the same ball
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 17, 2013, 06:14:08 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 17, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Auburn beat Georgia in one of the most incredible games I've ever seen. Down two points, fourth and forever in their own half and with 30 ticks left and this happens? Unreal.

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/TIGERS.gif)

One more game to go..

Watched that game which was excellent although the Michigan vs Northwestern was a better game to watch, two teams battle in the defensive pits to a win in 3 overtimes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on November 17, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
Caught the final quarter. Unbelievable ending.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 17, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
Falcons should be good for a top 4 pick this year if we didn't give them away for Julio Jones. Hopefully we have one next season.

The only thing our Oline could block is a toilet. No decent pass rush despite bringing in Osi, a suspect secondary, no threat from our line backers and a banged up running back. A lot of holes to fill in the off season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on November 18, 2013, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 17, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Auburn beat Georgia in one of the most incredible games I've ever seen. Down two points, fourth and forever in their own half and with 30 ticks left and this happens? Unreal.

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/TIGERS.gif)

One more game to go..

The noise! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiu7pYUV7Jk)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on November 18, 2013, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 17, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Auburn beat Georgia in one of the most incredible games I've ever seen. Down two points, fourth and forever in their own half and with 30 ticks left and this happens? Unreal.

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/TIGERS.gif)

One more game to go..

The noise! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiu7pYUV7Jk)

If ever there was a moment that could make you believe in a team's destiny that was that. If the pass was even just incomplete Auburn's season was done; their shot at the SEC West title against Bama would have evaporated, as would their chance of making the SEC and BSC title games.

If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.

?

For one, that was only their second ever national title. That would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not this year could be special for the Tigers, particularly given their decline in the last two years.

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 18, 2013, 08:25:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
Quote from: deiseach on November 18, 2013, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 17, 2013, 12:41:54 AM
Auburn beat Georgia in one of the most incredible games I've ever seen. Down two points, fourth and forever in their own half and with 30 ticks left and this happens? Unreal.

(http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/11/TIGERS.gif)

One more game to go..

I've no doubt that if auburn could pull it off it would be much greater than their 2010 national title win particularly as the 2010 class had some outstanding individuals, just can't see it though Syferus.

Alabama will load the box with 8 possibly 9 guys in the box  and unless there's a deep threat will eventually stiffle the run. nMore importantly there is no way I can see Alabama giving up 40+ points so the Auburn defence needs to step up big time.

Hope I'm wrong though, fed up looking at Saban lol
The noise! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiu7pYUV7Jk)

If ever there was a moment that could make you believe in a team's destiny that was that. If the pass was even just incomplete Auburn's season was done; their shot at the SEC West title against Bama would have evaporated, as would their chance of making the SEC and BSC title games.

If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.

?

For one, that was only their second ever national title. That would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not this year could be special for the Tigers, particularly given their decline in the last two years.

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

Given it's college football, that turnover is normal. You said if they win the Iron Bowl, a fluke play that was really a defensive c**k-up would become the "seminal moment" in the entire program's history. I dispute that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 19, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.

?

For one, that was only their second ever national title. That would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not this year could be special for the Tigers, particularly given their decline in the last two years.

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

Given it's college football, that turnover is normal. You said if they win the Iron Bowl, a fluke play that was really a defensive c**k-up would become the "seminal moment" in the entire program's history. I dispute that.

Doesn't matter what the play was, it was a hinge that the entire season rested on. If they beat Bama in what very-literally is the highest stakes Iron Bowl in history that play against Georgia will enter Auburn and college folklore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2013, 04:23:25 AM
Well - there's the whole thing of having to actually BEAT Alabama
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 19, 2013, 06:47:47 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2013, 12:20:19 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.

?

For one, that was only their second ever national title. That would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not this year could be special for the Tigers, particularly given their decline in the last two years.

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

Given it's college football, that turnover is normal. You said if they win the Iron Bowl, a fluke play that was really a defensive c**k-up would become the "seminal moment" in the entire program's history. I dispute that.

Doesn't matter what the play was, it was a hinge that the entire season rested on. If they beat Bama in what very-literally is the highest stakes Iron Bowl in history that play against Georgia will enter Auburn and college folklore.

In their 2010 season, they were 24-0 down in the Iron Bowl and rallied to win it on their way to the title, led by a Heisman winner and #1 draft pick. I'd consider that more defining than Saturday's play.

If they somehow beat Bama but then don't go on to win anything, does it still become the "seminal moment" in program history?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 19, 2013, 05:27:36 PM
Draw a line in the sand lads, Gallsman is right on this one!

Now what about that reversed call on the Gronk last night in the end zone????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 19, 2013, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

While they may not have many of the players from 2011 the carry-over is still there in the recruited players that they picked up that year and 2012 these recruits go to winning programs with a view to winning a title. Most teams have a pretty big turnover, look at Alabama and the number of 1st round draft picks last year 3, and 4 1st rounders in 2012. That's part of college football.

I don't like Alabama for a host of reasons but honestly can't see Auburn get within 15 pts of them in a few weeks. Auburn have come out the right end of too many one score games and another year could have 4 losses.

Also, what is it about Auburn and picking up QB's from other colleges?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 19, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.

?

For one, that was only their second ever national title. That would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not this year could be special for the Tigers, particularly given their decline in the last two years.

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

Given it's college football, that turnover is normal. You said if they win the Iron Bowl, a fluke play that was really a defensive c**k-up would become the "seminal moment" in the entire program's history. I dispute that.

A seminal moment, not the seminal moment.

Quote from: Muck Savage on November 19, 2013, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

While they may not have many of the players from 2011 the carry-over is still there in the recruited players that they picked up that year and 2012 these recruits go to winning programs with a view to winning a title. Most teams have a pretty big turnover, look at Alabama and the number of 1st round draft picks last year 3, and 4 1st rounders in 2012. That's part of college football.

I don't like Alabama for a host of reasons but honestly can't see Auburn get within 15 pts of them in a few weeks. Auburn have come out the right end of too many one score games and another year could have 4 losses.

Also, what is it about Auburn and picking up QB's from other colleges?

It's a common situation in college ball, players don't get picked up by major programs or don't get the chance to play while there and then switch to junior colleges and make enough noise for major programs to pick them up. It's the closest thing to college free agency. It's much easier to get a dispensation to transfer to a big program after one season if you're playing at a lower level, you'd usually have to wait two years or even sit a year if you were switching between top-tier programs.

Aaron Rodgers attended and played for a community college his freshman year before transferring to Cal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 20, 2013, 03:11:51 AM
Surprised no comments on last nights farcical ending. What a f**king joke. Probably one of the worst " no calls" in NFL history. Definitely the worst one I've personally seen :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 20, 2013, 04:18:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2013, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
If they pull off one more piece of magic in the Iron Bowl Auburn will look back at that play as seminal moment in the program's storied history.

Or, you know, the championship they already won three years ago.

?

For one, that was only their second ever national title. That would have absolutely no bearing on whether or not this year could be special for the Tigers, particularly given their decline in the last two years.

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carryover apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

Given it's college football, that turnover is normal. You said if they win the Iron Bowl, a fluke play that was really a defensive c**k-up would become the "seminal moment" in the entire program's history. I dispute that.

A seminal moment, not the seminal moment.

Quote from: Muck Savage on November 19, 2013, 10:32:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 18, 2013, 07:27:22 PM

Auburn lost pretty much all the key players of the 2011 BSC national title to the draft that April so there's been very little carry-over apart form a few seniors and redshirt seniors.

While they may not have many of the players from 2011 the carry-over is still there in the recruited players that they picked up that year and 2012 these recruits go to winning programs with a view to winning a title. Most teams have a pretty big turnover, look at Alabama and the number of 1st round draft picks last year 3, and 4 1st rounders in 2012. That's part of college football.

I don't like Alabama for a host of reasons but honestly can't see Auburn get within 15 pts of them in a few weeks. Auburn have come out the right end of too many one score games and another year could have 4 losses.

Also, what is it about Auburn and picking up QB's from other colleges?

It's a common situation in college ball, players don't get picked up by major programs or don't get the chance to play while there and then switch to junior colleges and make enough noise for major programs to pick them up. It's the closest thing to college free agency. It's much easier to get a dispensation to transfer to a big program after one season if you're playing at a lower level, you'd usually have to wait two years or even sit a year if you were switching between top-tier programs.

Aaron Rodgers attended and played for a community college his freshman year before transferring to Cal.

Can Newton from Florida in 2011 and Nick Marshall from Georgia this year, hardly 2nd rate football colleges.

Monday night was a joke, when Gronk turned to face the ball he was beside the player that intercepted it, then they say it was under thrown and not Catchable. Nuts! If that was last year the replacement Ref's would have got run out of town, remember Seattle!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 20, 2013, 06:38:07 PM
Cam played junior ball in Texas for a year after his stint in the Swamp. Nick Marshall did likewise after his year with Georgia. Cam wouldn't have been elligable to play for Auburn if he had joined directly from the Gators, he would have had to sit a year.

Cam and the Panthers are really rolling now too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 24, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
The Chargers finally deliver. 5-6 good enough for wild card as it stands.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2013, 12:34:21 PM
Go Cards! Great hammering of the Colts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 25, 2013, 02:49:48 PM
Just watch Manning v Brady. What a game!!!! SKy plus ran out in OT, had to go online to watch the rest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 29, 2013, 05:14:23 PM
The forgotten Iron Bowl that sold out both Jordan-Hare and Bryant-Denny at the same time:

QuoteIt's easy to understand the hype for this year's matchup of No. 1 Alabama and No. 4 Auburn. But imagine a game so huge that it sold out two stadiums at the same time.

It's the 20th anniversary of the 1993 Iron Bowl, one of the most unusual matchups in the rivalry's history. That year, defending national champion Alabama was 8-1-1 heading into a matchup with 10-0 Auburn.

But since Auburn was on probation, the game at Jordan-Hare Stadium would become the only battle between the Tide and the Tigers not shown on national television since 1981. And fans clamored to watch it: tickets for that game ($500) were more expensive than they are today ($300).

Alabama fans who couldn't get to the '93 Iron Bowl in person watched on the stadium screen at Bryant-Denny Stadium.
As a result, 47,421 tickets were sold at Bryant-Denny Stadium to see the game via simulcast -- to watch a game on an empty field, on a video board that's nowhere near the size or quality seen in stadiums today. It's widely hailed as the only game ever to sell out two stadiums. But in actuality, Bryant-Denny Stadium seated many more; it just didn't make sense to sell more tickets with the limited sight angles.

Whatever hype is being generated now might pale in comparison to the platitudes surrounding the game two decades ago. Not many broadcasts have ever started off like Auburn's did that day.

"At a remote outpost in frozen South Korea, an Army sergeant tunes his radio to the Armed Forces Network to listen as he pulls guard duty along the DMZ," Auburn announcer Jim Fyffe said. "A Selma native in Fairbanks, Alaska, is hosting a listening party today with his friends, who will hear the game via telephone, all decked out in orange and blue. A sellout crowd of 85,000 will watch in person, while 44,000 more, who scarfed up all the available tickets, will view a closed-circuit telecast in Tuscaloosa, making this the only game to sell out two stadiums at one time.

"It impacts the lives of just about everyone who lives here or ever has. If your team wins, seashells and balloons. But losing means a whole year of pure agony. It's the annual meeting between Auburn and Alabama. Hello again, everybody. War Eagle! from Jordan-Hare Stadium."

Yet despite its lore, in many ways, it's the forgotten Iron Bowl. Auburn quarterback Patrick Nix, the hero of the game, has lost pieces of it over the last two decades. Former Auburn coach Terry Bowden has, too. And like any good story, its legend has grown thanks to the limited amount of people who saw it.

Patrick Nix knows making a big play in the Iron Bowl is something that will last forever.
But Nix's story carries a message. If current Auburn backup quarterback Jeremy Johnson is listening, Nix says to be ready.

"Someone asked me the other day if this kind of game can make or break somebody, and I think I'm living proof that it can," Nix said. "You don't know if it's going to be Jeremy Johnson, or it's going to be a backup DB who comes in and makes an interception, or a defensive end that's down the line and makes a crucial sack. You don't know who it will be in a game like this and who will be remembered.

"That's what makes this game so special and this rivalry so special is that it is that big and everyone knows exactly where they are when things like that happen."

Nix is speaking from experience, particularly his time coming off the bench for Auburn in the 1993 Iron Bowl. He came on for the injured Stan White and led a remarkable comeback that sealed the Tigers' undefeated season.

He has talked about the game countless times, but now, 20 years later, he can't seem to recall who said what and when.

All Nix remembers of that November afternoon is the blasted fourth-and-14 play after White went down with a knee injury. Oddly enough, Nix remembers exactly where his helmet was -- under the bench where a grad assistant left it, just in case. And he can recall fondly how he lobbied his coaches to go for it. Bowden, Auburn's first-year head coach, finally had to tell him to shut up and run the play that very few actually saw, yet everyone professes to remember.

"The story has been exaggerated over the years," Nix said. "One time it's me throwing the winning pass, a last-second pass and all this kind of stuff, and none of that was true. It was the middle of the third quarter and we were still losing.

"There's been a lot of talk of 'Nix to Sanders,' and it all starts with that '93 game."

"I'll be honest with you: I probably gave a great speech because I was so excited, but I don't remember," said Bowden, now the head coach at Akron. "I'd like to think I gave a speech that had an impact on the players, but I've given too many that I thought were great but didn't do much. If I did, I'm glad that I did, but over the years, this being the 20th anniversary, too many pregame speeches have run together."

Jordan-Hare Stadium will play host to this year's Iron Bowl, but which team will create a lasting memory?
It's funny, Nix explained, that so many fans remember the touchdown he threw to Frank Sanders as the winning play -- a beautiful lob pass down the near sideline just shy of the goal line -- when in fact it only pulled Auburn within two points. It took a field goal and a late touchdown run to seal the victory.

"The hard work paid off," said Nix, who has gone on to lead the football program at Scottsboro High (Ala.). "The coaches knew how hard I prepared for that moment, never knowing it was going to be like that. And when it came, I took advantage of it."

"When I put Patrick Nix in, his arm's not so strong that he could throw the takeoff to the field side, so I flipped my formation and put Frank in the boundary," Bowden said of the famous touchdown pass. "Well, you see Antonio Langham start to come halfway across the field before he waved himself off. The other cornerback was good, but Antonio was a first-rounder. Well, I always wonder if Frank could have out-jumped Antonio."

A replay of the broadcast can be found online, but for those at the center of the game, some memories have faded in the last 20 years.

"There are a bunch of stories I've heard about where people were when I completed that pass against Alabama," Nix said. "Probably the craziest one was that someone was at a funeral and they were riding in the procession in the car. They were one of the pallbearers and they all wouldn't get out of the car at the funeral because of the fourth-down play. All the pallbearers stayed in the car listening to the radio, and then when it was completed the car just went crazy, rocking and everything. They all had to get out of the car and be very solemn and they were all trying to control themselves at a funeral.

"It's a different rivalry, a different deal and people don't always act quite sane over it. But it's a lot of fun."

http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/75347/1993-the-forgotten-iron-bowl

Auburn, Al. is going to be electric this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 24, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
The Chargers finally deliver. 5-6 good enough for wild card as it stands.
Not for them Shane. 6 teams with the same record, only one spot available. Due to tiebreakers they are further down the pecking order
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2013, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 29, 2013, 05:14:23 PMAuburn, Al. is going to be electric this weekend.

Friend of mine is heading there this weekend.

His buddy is the cross-country coach at Auburn (who is a Cork man) - http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/c-xctrack/mtt/mark_carroll_462698.html (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/c-xctrack/mtt/mark_carroll_462698.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2013, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 29, 2013, 05:14:23 PMAuburn, Al. is going to be electric this weekend.

Friend of mine is heading there this weekend.

His buddy is the cross-country coach at Auburn (who is a Cork man) - http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/c-xctrack/mtt/mark_carroll_462698.html (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/c-xctrack/mtt/mark_carroll_462698.html)

Lucky fecker..! Graham McDowell was a student at UAB (University of Alabama at Birmingham) under a golf scholarship years ago, winning a bunch of NCAA titles, so there are a few Irish connections!

I'll be settling in for the 8:30pm (Irish) kick-off on the couch.

Really hard to get a hold on what'll happen - the Tide could overwhelm the Auburn option attack and have an easy game of it but it's just as possible Auburn will be the hungier team and at home will put in a monumental shift.

Hoping for an Auburn win but I want whoever does win today to go all the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 30, 2013, 04:12:59 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 29, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on November 24, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
The Chargers finally deliver. 5-6 good enough for wild card as it stands.
Not for them Shane. 6 teams with the same record, only one spot available. Due to tiebreakers they are further down the pecking order

Disagree - they're very much in the running with 5 games left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 30, 2013, 06:12:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2013, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 29, 2013, 05:14:23 PMAuburn, Al. is going to be electric this weekend.

Friend of mine is heading there this weekend.

His buddy is the cross-country coach at Auburn (who is a Cork man) - http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/c-xctrack/mtt/mark_carroll_462698.html (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/c-xctrack/mtt/mark_carroll_462698.html)

Lucky fecker..! Graham McDowell was a student at UAB (University of Alabama at Birmingham) under a golf scholarship years ago, winning a bunch of NCAA titles, so there are a few Irish connections!

I'll be settling in for the 8:30pm (Irish) kick-off on the couch.

Really hard to get a hold on what'll happen - the Tide could overwhelm the Auburn option attack and have an easy game of it but it's just as possible Auburn will be the hungier team and at home will put in a monumental shift.

Hoping for an Auburn win but I want whoever does win today to go all the way.
The beers are in and ready for a quality night of football. Agree Syferus, not sure what way the Iron Bowl will go, Alabama could easily blow out the Tigers but just as likely Auburn could win a tight game, it's very hard to call but still think Alabama defense will just be too good for the Tigers one-dimensional game.

Alabama v FSU would be some national championship game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 06:29:11 PM
For those of you interested in this sort of thing, Arizona are 7/2 against in the rivalry game v ASU. That's big odds. ASU have already sewn up the PAC 12 South, and this could be Arizonas bowl game. They also just beat Oregon last week. It's in Tempe so ASU are certainly favourites but I've put a sneaky tender on the cats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
Thrilling game at the Big House.  A tie at halftime --  Michigan 21  Ohio State 21.  Two Buckeyes have been elected, one Wolverine.  About 113,000 at the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 30, 2013, 06:50:28 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 06:44:23 PM
Thrilling game at the Big House.  A tie at halftime --  Michigan 21  Ohio State 21.  Two Buckeyes have been elected, one Wolverine.  About 113,000 at the game.

what have they been elected as Oraisteach?  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 06:54:44 PM
Good one, Ballyhaise. LOL.  They have elected to leave the game at the request of the referee.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 30, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 06:54:44 PM
Good one, Ballyhaise. LOL.  They have elected to leave the game at the request of the referee.

Nice one!! :D, i forgot this game was on.
I'm surprised Michigan are still in this as half time, I've been reading the Wolverine boards on rivals and the Hoke honeymoon period is definitely over!!!!
This should be an enjoyable second half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
Throw out the records in this rivalry.  This is "The Game." Hoke pulling out all the stops.  Hope the Bucks can maintain their composure.  Five times that that team up north has ended a Buckeye unbeaten season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
http://neolive.eu/175327/1/Watch-Auburn-Tigers-vs-Alabama-Crimson/

starts 8.30pm. Looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 30, 2013, 07:22:15 PM
Carlos Hyde, wow, a 230 pound running back just should not be able to move laterally like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Highlander3 on November 30, 2013, 07:34:04 PM
I think Ohio state is going to take this but is still am not impressed by them, and there schedule has been very weak
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
Yeah, OSU hasn't had a fierce schedule, the Big 10 not being as tough as usual, but it's hard to sneeze at 23 straight wins, all the same.  Florida State has long since leapfrogged over OSU which started the season ranked #2, but FSU's schedule has been no great shakes either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Highlander3 on November 30, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
Yeah, OSU hasn't had a fierce schedule, the Big 10 not being as tough as usual, but it's hard to sneeze at 23 straight wins, all the same.  Florida State has long since leapfrogged over OSU which started the season ranked #2, but FSU's schedule has been no great shakes either.


True but the Clemson win was good! and the big 10 is just so weak this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
Yeah, OSU hasn't had a fierce schedule, the Big 10 not being as tough as usual, but it's hard to sneeze at 23 straight wins, all the same.  Florida State has long since leapfrogged over OSU which started the season ranked #2, but FSU's schedule has been no great shakes either.

If Auburn win out it looks likely they'll play the BCS game ahead of OSU, rightly too. I'm not sure Mizzou would if they did, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Highlander3 on November 30, 2013, 08:12:46 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 07:49:55 PM
Yeah, OSU hasn't had a fierce schedule, the Big 10 not being as tough as usual, but it's hard to sneeze at 23 straight wins, all the same.  Florida State has long since leapfrogged over OSU which started the season ranked #2, but FSU's schedule has been no great shakes either.

If Auburn win out it looks likely they'll play the BCS game ahead of OSU, rightly too. I'm not sure Mizzou would if they did, though.

Yea I agree with you, but don't think the buckeyes have done enough to deserve a chance this year

Florida st v the iron bowl winners would be a good final
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 08:18:05 PM
If winston gets charged with sexual assault in the next few weeks the championship game will be one damp squib.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 08:19:55 PM
Might all be moot for OSU.  Game tied at 35-35 with five minutes left.

Hope Auburn beats Alabama, but Auburn's strength is the run while the Tide is strong against the run.  Think Alabama wins, but I hope not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 08:21:59 PM
Great point AZ.  The Noles have already lost their back-up QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 08:22:39 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 08:19:55 PM
Might all be moot for OSU.  Game tied at 35-35 with five minutes left.

Hope Auburn beats Alabama, but Auburn's strength is the run while the Tide is strong against the run.  Think Alabama wins, but I hope not.

OSU floundering again Michigan all right.

The Tide have had trouble containing dynamic QBs and that's exactly what Nick Marshall is. If his passing was a little better I'd be very confident of an upset today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 08:32:19 PM
Hey, Syf, what's your link to Auburn?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 08:38:10 PM
They went for 2!! I suppose he thought he had momentum and the risk reward factor was in his favour, but I think I'd have kicked the PAT. OSU lucky there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 08:39:19 PM
Holy Cow!  42-41 OSU.  Michigan scores and goes for 2 and the win.  OSU intercepts pass. O-H-I-O!  24 straight wins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 30, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
Here goes lads, who think auburn can do it? Would love to see it but head's rulin the heart!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
Can't see it lads. Alabama are about as 'professional' an outfit as you get in the NCAA. I can't see a Saban team slipping up this close. McCartney must be the most underrated college QB of all time and he may win his THIRD national championship this year.

I'd like to see Auburn do it, but since that whole episode with the tree I'm slightly biased against Alabama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 08:32:19 PM
Hey, Syf, what's your link to Auburn?

Got ESPN/Setanta in for the next two months today just for the Iron Bowl and the end of season games but I used to use this site, bear in mind I was looking for streams that worked well on 1mb connections: http://www.viponlinesports.eu/sports/american-football.html and http://lag10.com/channel35
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 08:45:06 PM
He means why do you like Auburn you eejit :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on November 30, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 30, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
Here goes lads, who think auburn can do it? Would love to see it but head's rulin the heart!

Can't see it. I don't see anyone, Auburn, Missouri in SEC champ game or FSU in the NC game beating them.
The question we should be asking is when is Saban and Bama going to lose another game??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 08:46:31 PM
Big stop for the Tigers after looking all at sea to start the first drive.

Missed FG by Bama too. War Eagle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 08:49:26 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on November 30, 2013, 08:45:53 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 30, 2013, 08:39:45 PM
Here goes lads, who think auburn can do it? Would love to see it but head's rulin the heart!

Can't see it. I don't see anyone, Auburn, Missouri in SEC champ game or FSU in the NC game beating them.
The question we should be asking is when is Saban and Bama going to lose another game??

I think a big defensive unit could stop Alabama but I don't really see that sort of team. The old style big 10 teams or even a Stanford would have a shot.

I think mccarron will be a loss next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 08:51:36 PM
Bama's d looked at sea itself on that drive. Still 0-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on November 30, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
Check out this fan video from court side of Russell Westbrook's game winning 3 last night. Amazing.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1870664-courtside-fan-has-perfect-view-of-russell-westbrooks-game-winning-shot?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 09:02:19 PM
So far so good for Auburn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 09:14:57 PM
Great stuff by Auburn. They needed a solid start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 09:42:12 PM
Auburn paid big time for Dee Ford's mistake on 4th & 7. 7-7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
Roll Tide I'm afraid.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 10:09:48 PM
Auburn need to respond. After Dee Ford's mistake they've been anonymous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2013, 10:15:00 PM
Respond they did, getting good. hope they hold to half.

Jeez looked a TD to me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
Two big mistakes but still alive 21-14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 10:20:51 PM
In fairness they've come back from those 21 points well.. It just feels like a game where Bama will go 3 scores up in the third quarter and that will do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 10:28:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
Roll Tide I'm afraid.

War Eagle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
Game on now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
Game on now.

Beautiful drive by the Tigers, all square now. Shaping up very nicely.

A lot of these Auburn players lost to Bama a combined 77 points over the past two years. The longer they remain in the game the more they'll believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 30, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
Game on now.

Beautiful drive by the Tigers, all square now. Shaping up very nicely.

A lot of these Auburn players lost to Bama a combined 77 points over the past two years. The longer they remain in the game the more they'll believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2013, 11:33:08 PM
Well, well. Bama misses an easy field goal, so the game's still tied.  Just the sort of break Auburn needs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2013, 11:45:36 PM
Terrible D by Auburn after a great special teams play. They have to go up a level now to respond to a body blow like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2013, 11:57:26 PM
Why did they not kick the goal there,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:00:09 AM
Saban has zero faith in Foster.

Auburn keep themselves alive. War Eagle all the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:10:21 AM
What a clinic in kicking
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 01, 2013, 12:15:51 AM
wow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:16:20 AM
War Eagle, baby.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:17:46 AM
Well this game is living up to the hype!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 01, 2013, 12:25:35 AM
sweet holy f**k
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 01, 2013, 12:25:55 AM
What a finish. Mad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on December 01, 2013, 12:26:00 AM
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:26:05 AM
NO WAY!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:26:15 AM
Well, kiss my grits!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:27:42 AM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAR EAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:28:05 AM
Someone check on Syferus there!  Can you say seminal?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 01, 2013, 12:28:34 AM
Wow, poor old Nick Satin (that's what we call him here in South Florida);D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:29:01 AM
And the f**kers have no trees to poison either!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:31:01 AM
College Football is brilliant!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:33:15 AM
So what does THAT do to the BCS?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
Suddenly Ohio State are smiling. Surely FSU v OSU now. SEC eats itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:34:53 AM
Suddenly Ohio State are smiling. Surely FSU v OSU now. SEC eats itself.

OSU have no reason to be smiling, Mizzou beats Johnny and there's no way Auburn beating Mizzou doesn't put them #2. They'd have beaten the #1 and (at least) the #5 teams in the country within a week of each other, the Tigers would be the hottest team in the country.

It's all on for another one-loss SEC team to make a run. OSU have beaten no one and today's game will do their computer ranking no favours.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:41:04 AM
Only two unbeatens, and if Ohio State beats a strong 10-1 Michigan State next weekend. Hmmm . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:43:04 AM
I don't know Syferus. If OSU goes unbeaten for 2 years, given how fed up people are of the SEC don't be surprised if a one loss SEC team is out. The computer is only part of the reckoning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:44:32 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:41:04 AM
Only two unbeatens, and if Ohio State beats a strong 10-1 Michigan State next weekend. Hmmm . . .

I think if they beat MSU, they'll go as #2. However I think they will get it up the Jacksie to beat MSU. All to play for. mizzou must be stunned right now as well. They'll wire into johnny football now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 12:46:52 AM
Jaysus how big is Michigans decision to go for two looking now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:52:30 AM
Michigan will be sick if that call propels the Buckeyes into the championship game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 01, 2013, 12:55:04 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 12:41:04 AM
Only two unbeatens, and if Ohio State beats a strong 10-1 Michigan State next weekend. Hmmm . . .

Do not forget the Northern Illinois University,  Go NIU Huskies!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 01:01:08 AM
Sorry, DrinkingHarp, how could I overlook NIU, especially since my kids attended colleges in that conference, not to mention Fresno State too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 01:03:49 AM
Fresno just got scutched by San Jose State I think?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 01:14:01 AM
You're right, AZ.  Sharp as a crayon I am.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 01:14:42 AM
Still playing in their conference game, though. Their QB is David Carr (former #1 overall draft pick) brother and is highly rated.

Another facet in the BCS jockeying is Auburn's own undefeated season in 2004 where they were frozen out. Voters are irrational animals at the best of times but trying to freeze out the same team twice in less than a decade would certainly play on their minds and Auburn should start the publicity machine in earnest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2013, 01:22:06 AM
A week from now will sort it out.  Michigan State will give OSU all they can handle.  Right now #5 Mizzou is losing to #21 Texas A & M.  Expecting ructions at home as my daughter is a graduate student at Florida State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 01:24:30 AM
Irish are trying to hang with Stanford at the moment. Down 6-14. Stanford's QB is a lad called Kevin Hogan who sounds like he should be hurling with toomevara.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 01:25:54 AM
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Seminal indeed.

The scenes at Jordan-Hare after the game wouldn't be out of place in Limerick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 01, 2013, 01:55:47 AM
Sweet mother of god what a finish, what a game! Surely if auburn win the sec title game they desrve a nat title shot
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 01, 2013, 02:01:31 AM
had fun tonight- out for dinner with a big crew this evening including a few Alabama grads, feeling ridiculously pleased with myself having called the final play before they had even ruled it was going ahead. Said 'Bama were too cocky, Nick Satan calling a few bad plays in the final quarter, and that the special teams wouldn't know what to do if it fell short, and that Auburn would be able to run it back almost uncontested. stunned silence as the play unfolded followed by- "you irish f**ker- you jinxed it" still laughing.
so I guess the Heissman is now a complete no contest?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 04:01:24 AM
The Tiger Bowl for the SEC Championship looks a lock now. Hell of a turnaround from last year by both programs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 01, 2013, 04:37:38 AM
Insane  finish!! Tbh, Auburn have been crazy lucky this year. TWO one in a million plays in the space of a month ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 01, 2013, 05:35:54 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 01:03:49 AM
Fresno just got scutched by San Jose State I think?

Yip fell at the final hurdle. Defense was shocking though and never got close to  Fales once. big if but if we beat Utah state there may be a wee trip to Vegas to play USC, silver lining and all that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 01, 2013, 08:03:40 AM
Fair play to Auburn, didn't think they could get close.
Will be interesting what happens next weekend. FSU should win easy against Duke, but if OSU gets a win then let BCS maddess start. The playoffs will be great when they come in but then there will be questions about the 4-5 teams. Take today, would Bama be good for a 4th or 5th place?

College football is way better than the pros, true heart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
Well my U of A tip didn't exactly pay off. ASU waxed them.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 01, 2013, 04:37:38 AM
Insane  finish!! Tbh, Auburn have been crazy lucky this year. TWO one in a million plays in the space of a month ::)
If you think this has been all or even mainly luck after yesterday you probably need your stomach pumped because you've swallowed too much of something dodgy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 01, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 01, 2013, 04:37:38 AM
Insane  finish!! Tbh, Auburn have been crazy lucky this year. TWO one in a million plays in the space of a month ::)
If you think this has been all or even mainly luck after yesterday you probably need your stomach pumped because you've swallowed too much of something dodgy.
Ah now Syferus, whilst there's no doubt Auburn have played well this season, those 2 plays to happen in 2 successive games really is something out of the ordinary. Not saying Auburn aren't good but to get to a National Championship luck needs to be on your side. Look at ND last season!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: stringbean on December 01, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2013, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 01, 2013, 04:37:38 AM
Insane  finish!! Tbh, Auburn have been crazy lucky this year. TWO one in a million plays in the space of a month ::)
If you think this has been all or even mainly luck after yesterday you probably need your stomach pumped because you've swallowed too much of something dodgy.
Ah now Syferus, whilst there's no doubt Auburn have played well this season, those 2 plays to happen in 2 successive games really is something out of the ordinary. Not saying Auburn aren't good but to get to a National Championship luck needs to be on your side. Look at ND last season!

No one's saying the Tigers haven't had luck but the sentiment that it's just luck or a fluke took  a real battering last night. Auburn hung with a dynasty-level team for four quarters in a rivalry and knock-out game, lucky teams don't do that. And with the Tide's kicking game gone to hell and their D unable to stem Auburn on the ground I could only see one winner in OT, FG return or no FG return.

And on the FG return - it was far less of a lucky play than the Georgia game. Malzahn called a timeout to ice the kicker and saw that Bama had alot of big lads an very few tacklers on the FG team and switched in Chris Davis to return the FG if it dropped short, a 57-yarder is huge at the best of times. Auburn out-fought and out-thought the Tide in what will probably go down as the greatest Iron Bowl of all-time and, given games like the 2010 edition and Punt Bama Punt, that is saying something.

A wonderful perspective by Ivan Maisel:

QuoteAUBURN, Ala. -- Someday, someday, there will be a greater Iron Bowl finish than this one. Babe Ruth died, and the Yankees continue to play. Sinatra has come and gone, and people still sing. Forty-one years after "Punt Bama Punt," Chris Davis caught a field goal attempt nine yards deep in the end zone, and started running.

So it's possible that the way that No. 4 Auburn dethroned No. 1 Alabama 34-28, will be eclipsed. But at this moment Saturday night, with the cheers at Jordan-Hare Stadium still reverberating from here to Columbus, Ohio, it doesn't seem possible at all. With the clock showing all zeroes, Davis returned Adam Griffith's Hail Mary of a 57-yard field goal attempt 109 yards for a touchdown.

"We saw they had a guy back there," Alabama coach Nick Saban said. "Everybody knew they had to cover him. We just didn't, we didn't cover it right."

In the 15 seconds or so that it took Davis to sprint from end line to end line, Alabama lost its chance at a third consecutive BCS championship; Auburn won the SEC West and planted itself in the BCS title debate, No. 3 Ohio State saw its BCS hopes come to life, and the spectrum of emotions that college football can elicit stretched a little beyond its limit.

"I knew when I caught the ball I would have room to run," Davis said, "and I knew we had bigger guys on the field to protect and that was all after that."

The game unfolded as Alabama's toughest games have unfolded all season long. The Tide started slow, fell behind, warmed up and took the lead in the fourth quarter thanks to a 99½-yard touchdown pass from AJ McCarron to Amari Cooper. In any other Iron Bowl, that would've been the stuff of legend. But then Alabama's karma got run over by Auburn's karma, in which the Tigers keep believing until they pull off a miracle finish. That's what happened against Georgia, when Ricardo Louis caught a deflected pass for a 73-yard touchdown in the final minute.

And that's what happened Saturday, when Auburn scored two touchdowns in the last 32 seconds, and every choice Saban made came back to bite him.

With a 28-21 lead in the fourth quarter, and 4th-and-1 at the Auburn 13, Saban chose not to send kicker Cade Foster onto the field. The senior, who had made 11 of 12 field goals this season coming into the game, reverted to his form of two years ago, when he missed three field goals in a 9-6 loss to LSU.

Foster missed a 44-yard field goal in the first quarter. Early in the fourth quarter, he appeared to make a 28-yarder, but a false start penalty pushed the ball back five yards, and he missed that. So this time, instead of sending Foster onto the field, Saban sent T.J. Yeldon into the line. Auburn stuffed him, just as it had done on third down.

"Cade was just having a rough day," Saban said. "... We missed several field goals. It's not for sure you would have made it. I mean you say you should have a kicked a field goal. Well, that's assuming you make it."

Fast forward to Alabama's last possession. Auburn had just tied the game 28-28 when Nick Marshall took advantage of a spectacular breakdown in the Alabama secondary and completed a 39-yard pass to Sammie Coates. Alabama had the ball at its own 29 with :25 left. Two plays gained only nine yards. With :07 left, and Auburn expecting a Hail Mary pass, McCarron handed off to Yeldon again. He sprinted 24 yards and out of bounds at the Auburn 38. The clock said all zeroes. Both teams and every fan in Jordan-Hare expected overtime to begin shortly. But referee Matt Austin announced that the replay official had determined that Yeldon stepped out of bounds before the clock expired.

Instead of throwing a Hail Mary, Saban decided to have Griffith kick one. "Griffith can kick them further than Cade," Saban said.

The freshman's kick came down wide right a yard short of the crossbar, where Davis awaited.

"The first thing I'm looking at is does it have enough distance," Auburn coach Gus Malzahn said. "I saw it didn't have enough distance, and my eyes kind of got on Chris. They had their field goal team out there and it had some big guys on it. I thought he made a couple of guys who could tackle miss ..."

The video replay appeared to show the Alabama players watching the kick. The textbook says that the kicking team shouldn't watch the ball. The players should take their lanes and cover. Alabama practices the play during Friday walk-throughs. No one from the scout team poses as the returner. The kicking team just races downfield.

"We just imagine. Nobody actually returns it," Alabama tight end Brian Vogler said. "... You practice it so many times, and when it happens, you're not expecting that kind of speed."

Davis raced up the left hash mark. Vogler came at him at the middle of the field but seemed hesitant.

"I was actually caught off-guard that no one blocked me," Vogler said. "I was running down the field expecting a blind side [hit] out of nowhere, and when I finally got the opportunity, I was kind of in shock I hadn't gotten laid out by then."

Davis accelerated up the sideline. At midfield, it became apparent no one would touch him.

Three years ago, Alabama led No. 1 Auburn 24-0 in Tuscaloosa and lost, 28-27. It seemed as if that would be the loss that, 20 years from now, when Saban has retired and been inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame, would still awaken him at 3 a.m. in a cold sweat. But, no, not anymore.

"Slow motion," Alabama quarterback McCarron said, describing what he saw from the sideline. "I mean, this is one of those crazy plays. It's almost like a video game. That's something you do on 'Madden' or 'NCAA.' It's just a wild play."

"When I looked back, I said I couldn't believe this," Davis said. "When I was running, I said 'God is good.'"

If God only gives us what we can handle, then he saves an extra shovel full for Saban. Every coach has his Achilles' heel. Bear Bryant couldn't beat Notre Dame. Darrell Royal couldn't beat Barry Switzer, who had it all over Tom Osborne.

Saban? He can't just lose an Iron Bowl. He has to lose it in the most painful way possible.

Three years ago, Alabama led No. 1 Auburn 24-0 in Tuscaloosa and lost 28-27. It seemed as if that would be the loss that, 20 years from now, when Saban has retired and been inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame, would still awaken him at 3 a.m. in a cold sweat.

But, no, not anymore.

"First time I ever lost a game that way," Saban said. "First time I have ever seen a game lost that way. We had the wind behind us, but [we] still should have covered it. The game should not have ended that way."

Common sense says that. History says that. But no one in Auburn is saying that. Move over, "Punt Bama Punt." There's a new legend to tell.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10061956/chris-davis-stunning-return-becomes-new-standard-iron-bowl-classics
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on December 02, 2013, 12:10:59 AM
Maisel is excellent. Forde for Yahoo wrote a good piece as well.

Edited to attach link: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--iron-bowl-chris-davis-jr-return-lifts-auburn-over-alabama-into-college-football-lore-043127433.html

Don't agree with him that it was the most outstanding ending ever though. 'The Play' from 82 is just unbelievable. 'Agghhh the band is on the field!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfebpLfAt8g
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 02, 2013, 09:38:18 PM
I see fsu and ohio state are front runners for the nat championship game providin they win their division. Think this is harsh on auburn or mizzou as even with 1 loss their resumes are mightily impressive. I think ohio states schedule has been too soft to earn a title shot however its such a huge program that voters mightn't look past them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 03, 2013, 05:31:57 AM
If Auburn beat Mizzou this week, they will move past OS in the BCS, that's all that matters...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2013, 11:36:08 AM
I don't think they will if OSU also beat Michigan State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on December 03, 2013, 01:07:57 PM
AZ is correct,there is no way a one loss team gets in over the undefeated winner of a major conference,although in saying that OSU's strength of schedule is absolutely pathetic.
Am i right in saying their SOS right now is 106??
Hopefully the Spartans can take care of business this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2013, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on December 03, 2013, 01:07:57 PM
AZ is correct,there is no way a one loss team gets in over the undefeated winner of a major conference,although in saying that OSU's strength of schedule is absolutely pathetic.
Am i right in saying their SOS right now is 106??
Hopefully the Spartans can take care of business this weekend.

I hope Duke shock the world and take down FSU because I'm worried winston is going to be  charged and if he is he will miss the BCS game. That would make it a damp squib.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2013, 06:11:07 PM
There was madness in Legion Field Birmingham - the home of the Iron Bowl for most of its history - last Saturday too. For reason unknown to everyone the UAB (University of Alabama at Birmingham) played Southern Miss at 1pm, meaning anyone attending was unlikely to see the 3:30pm start of the Iron Bowl. Every UAB fan is either a Tide or Auburn fan as well. The actual attendance was about half the 6,500 odd that was announced.

Guess the GAA isn't the only organisation where mad scheduling reigns.

There's actually a lot of underhand things going on between UA and UAB, with the former nominally the 'main' campus of the University of Alabama and their board shorting money that should be going to UAB's sport programs. UAB itself is a massive university and in the largest metro area of Alabama by many magnitudes. There really should be three major college programs in Alabama but it suits the Tide to keep UAB as a perennial loser.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 03, 2013, 06:53:08 PM
Lest I be guilty of premature speculation, I should wait until after Saturday before opining.  The truth is, Michigan State, the #1 defense in the country, is going to be a very stern test for OSU, so the Bucks should be looking no further ahead than Saturday.  Failing to do so will be catastrophic.  Further, MSU itself should really be undefeated were it not for a slew of questionable pass interference penalties against Notre Dame in its 17-14 defeat.

Regarding strength of schedule, according to Jeff Sagarin's site, Auburn ranks #26, Mizzou #41, OSU #61 and FSU #66.  Sure, OSU didn't have the fiercest opponents, but there's no doubt its ranking was weakened by playing FAMU (an FCS school).  It was a lose-lose situation, and even though OSU racked up over 70 pts. against them, OSU still dropped in the BCS standings.  Remember that traditional SEC power Florida actually lost to an FCS team.  The truth is, OSU didn't schedule FAMU until Vanderbilt (another SEC team) backed out of its commitment to play OSU, leaving the Buckeyes scrambling.

As for Auburn, they have one loss (losing by two touchdowns to a 3-loss team), and as spectacular as their last two victories were, they were very lucky.  The Hail Mary against Georgia was more like an entire Rosary, and the win at Alabama, though amazing, should never have happened.  What was Nick Saban thinking on that final field goal attempt leaving gorillas on the field when the Tigers were clearly going to attempt a run-back?  And talking of field goals.  Four misses (five if you count the 4th down run they failed to complete because Saban had no faith in his kicker's ability to complete a fairly easy attempt).

In addition, not only is OSU undefeated, it has won 24 straight games, a remarkable feat in Division 1 football.  Even a very powerful FSU team, with EJ Manuel at QB, sustained two defeats last year.  If OSU defeats MSU. should it have to put together 36 consecutive wins before it gets a crack at the national championship?  With next year's 4-team playoff, maybe it could weather one loss—unlikely though.

Anyway, it's all pie in the sky until OSU tops MSU, by no means a certainty, and Auburn beats Mizzou.  Quality of wins may play a role too.  Assuming both the Tigers and Bucks win, and there isn't a blowout victory, then it's unlikely the BCS gods will go against precedent and elevate a one-loss team over an undefeated one from one of the power conferences.

I can't wait for an exciting Saturday of college football.

On a not entirely unrelated note, I read that a Birmingham, Alabama, woman shot and killed another woman at an Iron Bowl party because the victim did not express adequate distress that the Tide had lost to the Tigers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2013, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 03, 2013, 06:53:08 PM
Lest I be guilty of premature speculation, I should wait until after Saturday before opining.  The truth is, Michigan State, the #1 defense in the country, is going to be a very stern test for OSU, so the Bucks should be looking no further ahead than Saturday.  Failing to do so will be catastrophic.  Further, MSU itself should really be undefeated were it not for a slew of questionable pass interference penalties against Notre Dame in its 17-14 defeat.

Regarding strength of schedule, according to Jeff Sagarin's site, Auburn ranks #26, Mizzou #41, OSU #61 and FSU #66.  Sure, OSU didn't have the fiercest opponents, but there's no doubt its ranking was weakened by playing FAMU (an FCS school).  It was a lose-lose situation, and even though OSU racked up over 70 pts. against them, OSU still dropped in the BCS standings.  Remember that traditional SEC power Florida actually lost to an FCS team.  The truth is, OSU didn't schedule FAMU until Vanderbilt (another SEC team) backed out of its commitment to play OSU, leaving the Buckeyes scrambling.

As for Auburn, they have one loss (losing by two touchdowns to a 3-loss team), and as spectacular as their last two victories were, they were very lucky.  The Hail Mary against Georgia was more like an entire Rosary, and the win at Alabama, though amazing, should never have happened.  What was Nick Saban thinking on that final field goal attempt leaving gorillas on the field when the Tigers were clearly going to attempt a run-back?  And talking of field goals.  Four misses (five if you count the 4th down run they failed to complete because Saban had no faith in his kicker's ability to complete a fairly easy attempt).

In addition, not only is OSU undefeated, it has won 24 straight games, a remarkable feat in Division 1 football.  Even a very powerful FSU team, with EJ Manuel at QB, sustained two defeats last year.  If OSU defeats MSU. should it have to put together 36 consecutive wins before it gets a crack at the national championship?  With next year's 4-team playoff, maybe it could weather one loss—unlikely though.

Anyway, it's all pie in the sky until OSU tops MSU, by no means a certainty, and Auburn beats Mizzou.  Quality of wins may play a role too.  Assuming both the Tigers and Bucks win, and there isn't a blowout victory, then it's unlikely the BCS gods will go against precedent and elevate a one-loss team over an undefeated one from one of the power conferences.

I can't wait for an exciting Saturday of college football.

On a not entirely unrelated note, I read that a Birmingham, Alabama, woman shot and killed another woman at an Iron Bowl party because the victim did not express adequate distress that the Tide had lost to the Tigers.

To be fair, it was the first time ever that Florida had ever lost to a FCS team and it's probably going to go down as one of the most embarrassing results in the history of the Gators given it happened in the Swamp.

Ideally we'd have play-offs with FSU v Bama and OSU v Auburn, and we would were this 2014, but the fact remains that the SEC is very much a better conference than the Big Ten and it would smack of controversy to leave Auburn out of the BCS game if they're the SEC champions - they'd be the hottest team in college football. It would probably tarnish the BCS title more by excluding the SEC champions than it would excluding OSU, in all honesty.

Mizzou only have a OT loss to South Carolina (a team who proved themselves very real this season) so the SEC championship game is certainly no given and could develop into another classic. Auburn should have a home-town edge in terms of attendance given Atlanta is a short hop from the Plains but we'll see if they can keep themselves focused after the Iron Bowl.

Were Auburn to be excluded, what are the odds of a second Iron Bowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2013, 08:15:32 PM
Rose Bowl will pick Stanford or ASU to play against Ohio State or Michigan State if Auburn go to the BCS. If OSU go to the BCS I reckon it could be Stanford v Auburn alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2013, 08:26:42 PM
Yeah, for some reason I was thinking ACC instead of PAC-12.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 05, 2013, 04:49:17 PM
Jamais Winston's immediate future will be known at 7pm our time. The Florida investigator is announcing the results of the inquiry at that time. If Winston is to be charged, then the 'Noles have to be dropped surely?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 05, 2013, 04:55:59 PM
I should say that seeing as how it's a press conference as opposed to just issuing an arrest warrant, it's likely there'll be no charges pressed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 05, 2013, 05:28:36 PM
AZ, I'll be shocked if he's charged.  I think the words "press conference" is the key.  Maybe I'm cynical, but this is Tallahassee, Florida, Winston is in line for the Heisman (hence the press conf. before the voting), and the Noles are hot favorites to take the national championship.  To paraphrase Bobby Bowden after a Sebastian Janikowski breach of team rules, when asked if he'd bench the kicker, said roughly, "Daggummit, I'm not gonna cut off my nose to spaht mah face."  And even if Winston is charged, though FSU has a policy that any player charged with a felony must be suspended, the school also has an "exceptional circumstances" get-out-of-jail-free clause.  Maybe being potential national champs meets that criterion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on December 05, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2013, 08:15:32 PM
Rose Bowl will pick Stanford or ASU to play against Ohio State or Michigan State if Auburn go to the BCS. If OSU go to the BCS I reckon it could be Stanford v Auburn alright.

The Rose Bowl love their Pac12/Big 10 match-up so it'll almost certainly be Michigan State, even if they lose to Ohio State.

If Auburn win the SEC and aren't in the National Championship Game, they'll be in the Sugar Bowl.

Alabama are probably headed for the Orange Bowl as it has the first pick of at-large BCS teams this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 05, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on December 05, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2013, 08:15:32 PM
Rose Bowl will pick Stanford or ASU to play against Ohio State or Michigan State if Auburn go to the BCS. If OSU go to the BCS I reckon it could be Stanford v Auburn alright.

The Rose Bowl love their Pac12/Big 10 match-up so it'll almost certainly be Michigan State, even if they lose to Ohio State.

If Auburn win the SEC and aren't in the National Championship Game, they'll be in the Sugar Bowl.

Alabama are probably headed for the Orange Bowl as it has the first pick of at-large BCS teams this year.

Well the way they've restructured the bowls in recent years means certain conferences are tied to certain bowls. The Pac-12 and Big 10 champions will always play the Rose Bowl in the event of the teams not playing in the BSC title game and the Rose Bowl itself not being designated as that year's BSC title game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on December 05, 2013, 06:24:32 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 05, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on December 05, 2013, 06:02:31 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2013, 08:15:32 PM
Rose Bowl will pick Stanford or ASU to play against Ohio State or Michigan State if Auburn go to the BCS. If OSU go to the BCS I reckon it could be Stanford v Auburn alright.

The Rose Bowl love their Pac12/Big 10 match-up so it'll almost certainly be Michigan State, even if they lose to Ohio State.

If Auburn win the SEC and aren't in the National Championship Game, they'll be in the Sugar Bowl.

Alabama are probably headed for the Orange Bowl as it has the first pick of at-large BCS teams this year.

Well the way they've restructured the bowls in recent years means certain conferences are tied to certain bowls. The Pac-12 and Big 10 champions will always play the Rose Bowl in the event of the teams not playing in the BSC title game and the Rose Bowl itself not being designated as that year's BSC title game.

Yep, and the Rose Bowl more than any of the others seems to really value the conference tie-in. A few years ago, when Ohio State were in the title game they picked Illinois just to preserve their Pac 10 (as it was then)/Big Ten match-up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 05, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
According to ESPN.com, Winston will not be charged.  So apparently no criminiNOLE charges.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 05, 2013, 07:01:09 PM
"apparently" her tox report showed no drugs and minimal alcohol which didn't go that well with the story. or maybe ray donovan was in on it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 09:34:27 PM
7-3 to the Tigers from Auburn in the SEC championship game. Nick Marshall is thriving more and more with each game. And he still has his senior season to come..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2013, 09:36:39 PM
http://neolive.eu/177978/1/Watch-3-Auburn-vs-5-Missouri/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 07, 2013, 09:55:03 PM
Great call with the onside kick. Mizzou on the ropes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:07:09 PM
Auburn certainly don't look like they're suffering from an Iron Bowl hangover. Avoid the fumbles and they can get out of Atlanta with the SEC title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:10:16 PM
Yikes. Prophetic words. Marshall needs to play it safe with the ball if Auburn are going to win this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 07, 2013, 10:10:51 PM
Looks like this is going to be a good one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:16:28 PM
Tre Mason is a hell of a back and that is a hell of an O-line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2013, 10:19:02 PM
Impressive series
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2013, 10:24:12 PM
At the half, Texas 3  Baylor 3.  Hope one of them was a hat trick!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 07, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Is that half time, or top of the 7th inning?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2013, 10:27:48 PM
Good one, AZ.  Amazing what happens when you play in Arctic conditions.  Love that frozen tundra.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2013, 10:31:25 PM
Did you watch the earlier game between UCF and SMU?  So cold--more people attended the Armagh hurling final, the U-16 one, I mean.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:32:08 PM
Crazy that ESPN here are showing Duke v. FSU rather than Michigan State v Buckeyes. I guess it's to the streams after this.

Oh. And Tre Mason. My God.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2013, 10:34:55 PM
You're kidding, Syf.  This game's over--Auburn's running game is unstoppable.  Mizzou better pray they get the ball last.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
do any of these D's make a stop, loving this
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:39:26 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
do any of these D's make a stop, loving this

Much more to do with t he quality of Auburn's offense than the lack of quality of Mizzou's, who are among the best in the country. Bama couldn't stop the Auburn option and Mizzou aren't doing any better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2013, 10:50:57 PM
i suppose so, it was the same last week too u score, i score, in the pro's a bit of skillful O wins you the game. A stop wins you a game at this level as far as I can see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:55:01 PM
Clark is some punter. Surely worth a late-round pick when he declares.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2013, 10:58:44 PM
Hell of a game. One pointer at the half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2013, 11:02:59 PM
What's the over/under for this game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 07, 2013, 11:12:33 PM
Heading to the Fresno State game tonight. Jeez the Californian's are fair weather supporters. Playing in a championship game in what will be Derek Carr's last home game, they can't sell the game out cause the fans are worried about it being too cold!!!

I've told a few that aren't going that its a good job you don't leave in Ireland as you'd never go out the door if you were worried about the weather.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 12:06:40 AM
Run, Auburn, run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 08, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
great game, i predict Auburn to win by a hail mary 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 12:16:19 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 08, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
great game, i predict Auburn to win by a hail mary 8)

Doesn't look like a miracle will be required this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 08, 2013, 12:18:32 AM
say whaa
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 12:22:52 AM
Mizzou only succeeded in making Auburn angry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 08, 2013, 12:25:07 AM
running game is 'awesome'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 12:51:36 AM
Most exciting punter of all-time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 12:55:09 AM
Oh, Chris Davis. If that's the wining play of the game yet again it's (almost) as sweet as the Kick Six.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 12:58:55 AM
Mason, 44 carries, 290 yards and 4 TDs.

Auburn 59-42 up. Game over. One of the most improbable SEC titles of all-time in the bag and Auburn certainly earnt a few style points tonight running the #5 team in the country ragged. They absolutely deserve to be in the BCS title game and if they're not it's indicative of the joke the current system has become.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2013, 01:07:02 AM
They deserve to be there for their offender, but the D is poor. And if Ohio state go unbeaten they will say they deserve to be too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 01:11:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 08, 2013, 01:07:02 AM
They deserve to be there for their offender, but the D is poor. And if Ohio state go unbeaten they will say they deserve to be too.

There's all of one or two teams in the FBS that can defend. FSU and OSU are no shut-down teams on D themselves. The rules and inexperience of players make it next to impossible to have solid defences.

And one of those teams that can defend? Auburn happens to have beat them last week..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2013, 01:15:37 AM
I don't care what you say. I'd osu win tonight against a good msu defense they can't be frozen out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 01:46:28 AM
"Auburn also ran for 545 yards on a defense that was allowing only 119 rushing yards per game. "

If you're looking for a wow stat, that's a hell of a one to put in the faces of voters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 02:03:38 AM
Sparty manning up to Ohio State, holding them scoreless in the first quarter. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 02:26:37 AM
Sparty are playing like a team possessed, lighting up the buckeyes 17-0 mid-way through the second.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 08, 2013, 04:10:54 AM
Syferus, to give up 545 on the ground is diabolical . You wouldn't see it in high school , FFS.
2 poor defenses, Auburn marginally better
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 04:31:51 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 08, 2013, 04:10:54 AM
Syferus, to give up 545 on the ground is diabolical . You wouldn't see it in high school , FFS.
2 poor defenses, Auburn marginally better

Mizzou are the 7th-ranked defence in the nation. Auburn have ran all over everyone this year. It's no fluke.

Spartans up 27-24 mid-4th against OSU. Have the ball too. C'mon Sparty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 04:49:46 AM
TD Spartans, 34-24 up with two minutes left..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 08, 2013, 04:52:13 AM
A Cleveland kid, Connor Cook, did us in, among other things.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 04:56:22 AM
All over bar the shouting. College football is amazing.

Auburn will play Florida State in the BCS Championship game in January. Alabama will be represented in five consecutive BSC title games now, and the crystal football hasn't left the state since that streak began. Incredible.

I never thought in my wildest dreams that when the dust settled on the 2013 season Auburn would be one of the final two teams. This year's run is even more stunning than Cam's back in 2010-11. From win-less in the SEC last year to the national title game, this is the sort of thing that just doesn't happen in a sport as competitive as college ball. Malzahn was an inspired choice.

A seminal season? Check.

A team of destiny? One last test.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 08, 2013, 05:15:10 AM
An inspiring season by Auburn, all right, but my daughter being an FSU grad student, I'm now rooting for the Noles.  Ours was a divided house tonight--she in one room cheering for the Noles, me in another bemoaning the Bucks.  Should be a fun BCS game.  My daughter is elated, especially since one of her friends attends Auburn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 05:52:57 AM
It will be a great game all right, Oraisteach.

And wouldn't it be delicious if we did end up getting Bama-Oregon after all, as some have suggested might be the Sugar Bowl match-up? For much of the season that looked like the BCS title game and they could serve up one hell of a game..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Highlander3 on December 08, 2013, 07:36:03 AM
Yea Florida state v Auburn is the best final now I just want the SEC to be beat in the final
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2013, 08:51:46 AM
I'm the end probably the right game. Auburn do deserve to be there but in its last year the BCS dodged a bullet because I do think Ohio State would have been there if undefeated. I'm not surprised MIchigan State beat them though, I did say that was a distinct possibility last week.

Should be a great BCS game now that Winston is off the hook too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 08, 2013, 06:14:38 PM
Sick weather in NFL today must be half a foot of snow in Philly, not for the faint hearted

Big performance needed from the 49ers against the white hot Seahawks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2013, 07:24:29 PM
I've no idea how they are keeping their feet at all. How can you play when your feet are literally sinking into snow?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 09, 2013, 12:37:39 AM
Get in, What a nights football. think im staying up for C4 :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 09, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 04:56:22 AM
All over bar the shouting. College football is amazing.

Auburn will play Florida State in the BCS Championship game in January. Alabama will be represented in five consecutive BSC title games now, and the crystal football hasn't left the state since that streak began. Incredible.

I never thought in my wildest dreams that when the dust settled on the 2013 season Auburn would be one of the final two teams. This year's run is even more stunning than Cam's back in 2010-11. From win-less in the SEC last year to the national title game, this is the sort of thing that just doesn't happen in a sport as competitive as college ball. Malzahn was an inspired choice.

A seminal season? Check.

A team of destiny? One last test.
Say what you like about auburn, but that running attack is mightily impressive. Mizzou are no soft touch on defense but the relentless attack from Auburn was special. Had my doubts before the Alabama came but have to say what i seen there last 2 games was unreal. Their defense is atrocious though.

Any bets on the total number of points in the national title game - couldn't see it being under 100 points (per team lol)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Go Bears really lit up the stadium on offense (Jeez I never thought I  would hear myself say that). The Jeffrey , Marshall ,Bennett combo is really starting to click although the Dallas secondary is probably as bad as the Bears run defence. Fair play to McCown who has really stepped up since Cutler got injured and Matt Forte was excellent again. My favourite bit was the monster hit by Marshall on  Sean Lee when Mcown was scrambling for a first down.

The Bears really need to get Briggs and Tillman fit on D and firgure out a way to plug the hole on run defence with Nate Collins and Melton still out. Somebody needs to wake Julius Peppers from his slumber to get some pressure on the QB!!!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 10, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Go Bears really lit up the stadium on offense (Jeez I never thought I  would hear myself say that). The Jeffrey , Marshall ,Bennett combo is really starting to click although the Dallas secondary is probably as bad as the Bears run defence. Fair play to McCown who has really stepped up since Cutler got injured and Matt Forte was excellent again. My favourite bit was the monster hit by Marshall on  Sean Lee when Mcown was scrambling for a first down.

The Bears really need to get Briggs and Tillman fit on D and firgure out a way to plug the hole on run defence with Nate Collins and Melton still out. Somebody needs to wake Julius Peppers from his slumber to get some pressure on the QB!!!

Yeah - enjoyed this one last night, a bit bleary eyed today. If the Bears can cobble together any sort of defense at all they could upset a few before the season ends. Marshall, Jeffery and Bennett present huge problems for everyone and the o-line is light years ahead of the last few seasons. Of course Forte is fantastic too as he has pretty much always been.

That was a great hit by Marshall alright. Lee was in the wars last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2013, 10:37:52 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 10:22:27 AM
Go Bears really lit up the stadium on offense (Jeez I never thought I  would hear myself say that). The Jeffrey , Marshall ,Bennett combo is really starting to click although the Dallas secondary is probably as bad as the Bears run defence. Fair play to McCown who has really stepped up since Cutler got injured and Matt Forte was excellent again. My favourite bit was the monster hit by Marshall on  Sean Lee when Mcown was scrambling for a first down.

The Bears really need to get Briggs and Tillman fit on D and firgure out a way to plug the hole on run defence with Nate Collins and Melton still out. Somebody needs to wake Julius Peppers from his slumber to get some pressure on the QB!!!

Yeah - enjoyed this one last night, a bit bleary eyed today. If the Bears can cobble together any sort of defense at all they could upset a few before the season ends. Marshall, Jeffery and Bennett present huge problems for everyone and the o-line is light years ahead of the last few seasons. Of course Forte is fantastic too as he has pretty much always been.

That was a great hit by Marshall alright. Lee was in the wars last night.

I think Lee is more banged up then the cowboys are letting on but they have no other leaders in the secondary or at linebacker so he is being flogged by Marinelli at the moment. The O line is top notch at the moment and it helps that Forte is brilliant at picking up blitzs to  put in some monster blocks. I think Forte is right up there as an old school Bears RB as his numbers are amazing considering the amount of different QB's and offensive co-ordinators he has had to work with in his time! Michael BUsh was disappointing again last night as he has been since he came over from the Raiders. I really though he would give us a bludgeon option at the goal line akin to what the "Bus" use to do at the end of his Steelers career.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 10, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
I think Forte is more than competent in short yardage situations. Poor offensive line play was his worst enemy in the past as well as poor QB play (i.e. everyone knew he was getting it!!!!).

Just such a pity about this years patchwork quilt of a defense. Even a slowed down Urlacher would be a huge help in there now. The tackling is terrible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on December 10, 2013, 12:34:24 PM
Was thinking the same about Urlacher last night Seanie.When you look at the Bears tackling he would be a useful boy to have.
It was a real pity how things ended between him and the Bears,he was a great player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
I think Forte is more than competent in short yardage situations. Poor offensive line play was his worst enemy in the past as well as poor QB play (i.e. everyone knew he was getting it!!!!).

Just such a pity about this years patchwork quilt of a defense. Even a slowed down Urlacher would be a huge help in there now. The tackling is terrible.

I would love us to have a fast small guy like Moreno/Rice/Jones Drew/Sproules to give us another option and to take some of the attention off Forte who as you said can get it done at the goal line but can also cut to the outside or inside! I like the way the Niners have Kendal Hunter get some big plays when Gore is getting a rest , we just don't have this at the moment and that is my biggest probelm with Bush.

God even an old man Urlacher would be massive for us on D at the moment but time moves on ( money as always talks) and I suppose D.J. Williams was suppose to be some cover but he's crocked at the moment too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Craigyhill Terror on December 10, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: stringbean on December 09, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 04:56:22 AM
All over bar the shouting. College football is amazing.

Auburn will play Florida State in the BCS Championship game in January. Alabama will be represented in five consecutive BSC title games now, and the crystal football hasn't left the state since that streak began. Incredible.

I never thought in my wildest dreams that when the dust settled on the 2013 season Auburn would be one of the final two teams. This year's run is even more stunning than Cam's back in 2010-11. From win-less in the SEC last year to the national title game, this is the sort of thing that just doesn't happen in a sport as competitive as college ball. Malzahn was an inspired choice.

A seminal season? Check.

A team of destiny? One last test.
Say what you like about auburn, but that running attack is mightily impressive. Mizzou are no soft touch on defense but the relentless attack from Auburn was special. Had my doubts before the Alabama came but have to say what i seen there last 2 games was unreal. Their defense is atrocious though.

Any bets on the total number of points in the national title game - couldn't see it being under 100 points (per team lol)

It's hard to imagine anything more impressive than Tre Mason - 304 yards, four touchdowns and his da was in De La Soul.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 10, 2013, 09:06:45 PM
Quote from: Craigyhill Terror on December 10, 2013, 01:57:50 PM
Quote from: stringbean on December 09, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2013, 04:56:22 AM
All over bar the shouting. College football is amazing.

Auburn will play Florida State in the BCS Championship game in January. Alabama will be represented in five consecutive BSC title games now, and the crystal football hasn't left the state since that streak began. Incredible.

I never thought in my wildest dreams that when the dust settled on the 2013 season Auburn would be one of the final two teams. This year's run is even more stunning than Cam's back in 2010-11. From win-less in the SEC last year to the national title game, this is the sort of thing that just doesn't happen in a sport as competitive as college ball. Malzahn was an inspired choice.

A seminal season? Check.

A team of destiny? One last test.
Say what you like about auburn, but that running attack is mightily impressive. Mizzou are no soft touch on defense but the relentless attack from Auburn was special. Had my doubts before the Alabama came but have to say what i seen there last 2 games was unreal. Their defense is atrocious though.

Any bets on the total number of points in the national title game - couldn't see it being under 100 points (per team lol)

It's hard to imagine anything more impressive than Tre Mason - 304 yards, four touchdowns and his da was in De La Soul.

And Tre's justifiably made the cut for the Heisman finalists and he's won the SEC offensive PotY award too. It took the last three games for the outside world to realise but Mason talent has been obvious for a long time.

He's a junior but he's so good I can see him turning pro after the national title game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 16, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
For those of you who are going to kick back and watch a bit of College Football over the Christmas and New Year, here's the list of Bowl Games. BCS Bowls in Bold......

All times Eastern US.

Saturday Dec 21st...
   
Gildan New Mexico Bowl - Washington State vs. Colorado State    Albuquerque, N.M. University Stadium    Dec. 21 2 p.m.
Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl - Fresno State vs. USC    Las Vegas Sam Boyd Stadium    Dec. 21 3:30 p.m.
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl - Buffalo vs. San Diego State    Boise, Idaho Bronco Stadium    Dec. 21 5:30 p.m.
R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl - Tulane vs. Louisiana-Lafayette    New Orleans Mercedes-Benz Superdome    Dec. 21 9 p.m.

Monday December 23rd

Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Bowl - East Carolina vs. Ohio    St. Petersburg, Fla. Tropicana Field    Dec. 23 2 p.m.

Christmas Eve December 24th

Sheraton Hawaii Bowl - Boise State vs. Oregon State    Honolulu Aloha Stadium    Dec. 24 8 p.m.

Saint Stephen's Day December 26th
Little Caesars Pizza Bowl - Pittsburgh vs. Bowling Green    Detroit Ford Field    Dec. 26 6 p.m.
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl - Utah State vs. Northern Illinois    San Diego Qualcomm Stadium    Dec. 26 9:30 p.m.

Friday December 27th
Military Bowl Presented By Northrop Grumman - Marshall vs. Maryland    Annapolis, Md. Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium    Dec. 27 2:30 p.m.
Texas Bowl - Syracuse vs. Minnesota    Houston Reliant Stadium    Dec. 27 6 p.m.
Fight Hunger Bowl - BYU vs. Washington    San Francisco AT&T Park    Dec. 27 9:30 p.m.

Saturday December 28th
New Era Pinstripe Bowl - Rutgers vs. Notre Dame    Bronx, N.Y. Yankee Stadium    Dec. 28 Noon
Belk Bowl - Cincinnati vs. North Carolina    Charlotte, N.C. Bank of America Stadium    Dec. 28 3:20 p.m.
Russell Athletic Bowl - Miami vs. Louisville    Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl    Dec. 28 6:45 p.m.
Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl  - Michigan vs. Kansas State    Tempe, Ariz.  Sun Devil Stadium    Dec. 28 10:15 p.m.

Monday December 30th
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl - Middle Tennessee vs. Navy    Fort Worth, Texas Amon G. Carter Stadium    Dec. 30 11:45 a.m.
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl - Ole Miss vs. Georgia Tech    Nashville, Tenn. LP Field    Dec. 30 3:15 p.m.
Valero Alamo Bowl - Oregon vs. Texas    San Antonio Alamodome    Dec. 30 6:45 p.m.
National University Holiday Bowl - Arizona State vs. Texas Tech    San Diego Qualcomm Stadium    Dec. 30 10:15 p.m.

New Years Eve December 31st
AdvoCare V100 Bowl - Arizona vs. Boston College    Shreveport, La. Independence Stadium    Dec. 31 12:30 p.m.
Hyundai Sun Bowl - Virginia Tech vs. UCLA    El Paso, Texas Sun Bowl    Dec. 31 2 p.m.
AutoZone Liberty Bowl - Rice vs. Mississippi State    Memphis, Tenn. Liberty Bowl    Dec. 31 4 p.m.
Chick-fil-A Bowl - Duke vs. Texas A&M    Atlanta Georgia Dome    Dec. 31 8 p.m.

New Years Day January 1st
TaxSlayer.com Gator Bowl - Nebraska vs. Georgia    Jacksonville, Fla. Everbank Field    Jan. 1 Noon
Heart of Dallas Bowl - UNLV vs. North Texas    Dallas Cotton Bowl    Jan. 1 Noon
Capital One Bowl - Wisconsin vs. South Carolina    Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl    Jan. 1 1 p.m.
Outback Bowl - Iowa vs. LSU    Tampa, Fla. Raymond James Stadium    Jan. 1 1 p.m.
Rose Bowl Game presented by VIZIO Stanford vs. Michigan State    Pasadena, Calif. Rose Bowl    Jan. 1 5 p.m.    
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl UCF vs. Baylor    Glendale, Ariz. U. of Phoenix Stadium    Jan. 1 8:30 p.m.

Thursday January 2nd
Allstate Sugar Bowl Oklahoma vs. Alabama    New Orleans Louisiana Superdome    Jan. 2 8:30 p.m.

Friday January 3rd
Discover Orange Bowl Clemson vs. Ohio State    Miami Sun Life Stadium    Jan. 3 8:30 p.m.
AT&T Cotton Bowl Oklahoma State vs. Missouri    Arlington, Texas  AT&T Stadium    Jan. 3 7:30 p.m.

Saturday January 4th
BBVA Compass Bowl - Vanderbilt vs. Houston    Birmingham, Ala. Legion Field    Jan. 4 1 p.m.
GoDaddy Bowl - Arkansas State vs. Ball State    Mobile, Ala. Ladd-Peebles Stadium    Jan. 5 9 p.m.

Monday January 6th
VIZIO BCS National Championship
No. 1 Florida State vs. No. 2 Auburn    Pasadena, Calif. Rose Bowl    Jan. 6 8:30 p.m.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 16, 2013, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
I think Forte is more than competent in short yardage situations. Poor offensive line play was his worst enemy in the past as well as poor QB play (i.e. everyone knew he was getting it!!!!).

Just such a pity about this years patchwork quilt of a defense. Even a slowed down Urlacher would be a huge help in there now. The tackling is terrible.

I would love us to have a fast small guy like Moreno/Rice/Jones Drew/Sproules to give us another option and to take some of the attention off Forte who as you said can get it done at the goal line but can also cut to the outside or inside! I like the way the Niners have Kendal Hunter get some big plays when Gore is getting a rest , we just don't have this at the moment and that is my biggest probelm with Bush.

God even an old man Urlacher would be massive for us on D at the moment but time moves on ( money as always talks) and I suppose D.J. Williams was suppose to be some cover but he's crocked at the moment too.

Michael Bush must have been reading our criticism! that was a fine 40 yard trundle for a score. Jay's return was typical Cutler. Some bad throws and some lasers. Got in done in 4th quarter though so hopes still alive. I wonder are Lance and Peanut far off coming back?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 16, 2013, 04:09:16 PM
Never mind that. The Cardinals gave another Cardiac Cards episode last night, with absolutely no need for it. They were winning 34-17 after a pick six with 6:22 left. Tennessee didn't score until 3:17 left, to leave 10 points in it. No bother. Then the Cards went 3 and out, and the Titans took advantage of ridiculously soft coverage to go back down and kick a 24 yard field goal with 52 seconds left. Ah well, dicey but no big deal. Until the Titans recovered the bloody onside kick, marched down the field and tied the game with a TD with 8 seconds left. It was so easy for them, and the air was definitely out of the Arizona balloon. Then if they didn't bejaysus intercept Fitzpatrick again in Overtime, and took it down the field for Feely to kick the game winner from 41 yards. I don't know if many teams could have come back from such an absolute let down, but fair play they did.

Guaranteed at least 9 wins now, and I'm delighted with that. Finishing up away to Seattle and home to the Niners is far from ideal, but I'm glad they'll finish at worst 9-7. That's a good season in a very tough division. If they lose to them two, they'll end up 1-5 in the division, and 8-2 out of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on December 16, 2013, 04:14:08 PM
Everything still to play for with a lot of teams in the hunt for their spot. I don't see any clear favourites (maybe the Seahawks?) so will be an exciting next few weeks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 16, 2013, 04:16:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 16, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
For those of you who are going to kick back and watch a bit of College Football over the Christmas and New Year, here's the list of Bowl Games. BCS Bowls in Bold......

All times Eastern US.

Saturday Dec 21st...
   
Gildan New Mexico Bowl - Washington State vs. Colorado State    Albuquerque, N.M. University Stadium    Dec. 21 2 p.m.
Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl - Fresno State vs. USC    Las Vegas Sam Boyd Stadium    Dec. 21 3:30 p.m.
Famous Idaho Potato Bowl - Buffalo vs. San Diego State    Boise, Idaho Bronco Stadium    Dec. 21 5:30 p.m.
R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl - Tulane vs. Louisiana-Lafayette    New Orleans Mercedes-Benz Superdome    Dec. 21 9 p.m.

Monday December 23rd

Beef 'O' Brady's St. Petersburg Bowl - East Carolina vs. Ohio    St. Petersburg, Fla. Tropicana Field    Dec. 23 2 p.m.

Christmas Eve December 24th

Sheraton Hawaii Bowl - Boise State vs. Oregon State    Honolulu Aloha Stadium    Dec. 24 8 p.m.

Saint Stephen's Day December 26th
Little Caesars Pizza Bowl - Pittsburgh vs. Bowling Green    Detroit Ford Field    Dec. 26 6 p.m.
S.D. County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl - Utah State vs. Northern Illinois    San Diego Qualcomm Stadium    Dec. 26 9:30 p.m.

Friday December 27th
Military Bowl Presented By Northrop Grumman - Marshall vs. Maryland    Annapolis, Md. Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium    Dec. 27 2:30 p.m.
Texas Bowl - Syracuse vs. Minnesota    Houston Reliant Stadium    Dec. 27 6 p.m.
Fight Hunger Bowl - BYU vs. Washington    San Francisco AT&T Park    Dec. 27 9:30 p.m.

Saturday December 28th
New Era Pinstripe Bowl - Rutgers vs. Notre Dame    Bronx, N.Y. Yankee Stadium    Dec. 28 Noon
Belk Bowl - Cincinnati vs. North Carolina    Charlotte, N.C. Bank of America Stadium    Dec. 28 3:20 p.m.
Russell Athletic Bowl - Miami vs. Louisville    Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl    Dec. 28 6:45 p.m.
Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl  - Michigan vs. Kansas State    Tempe, Ariz.  Sun Devil Stadium    Dec. 28 10:15 p.m.

Monday December 30th
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl - Middle Tennessee vs. Navy    Fort Worth, Texas Amon G. Carter Stadium    Dec. 30 11:45 a.m.
Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl - Ole Miss vs. Georgia Tech    Nashville, Tenn. LP Field    Dec. 30 3:15 p.m.
Valero Alamo Bowl - Oregon vs. Texas    San Antonio Alamodome    Dec. 30 6:45 p.m.
National University Holiday Bowl - Arizona State vs. Texas Tech    San Diego Qualcomm Stadium    Dec. 30 10:15 p.m.

New Years Eve December 31st
AdvoCare V100 Bowl - Arizona vs. Boston College    Shreveport, La. Independence Stadium    Dec. 31 12:30 p.m.
Hyundai Sun Bowl - Virginia Tech vs. UCLA    El Paso, Texas Sun Bowl    Dec. 31 2 p.m.
AutoZone Liberty Bowl - Rice vs. Mississippi State    Memphis, Tenn. Liberty Bowl    Dec. 31 4 p.m.
Chick-fil-A Bowl - Duke vs. Texas A&M    Atlanta Georgia Dome    Dec. 31 8 p.m.

New Years Day January 1st
TaxSlayer.com Gator Bowl - Nebraska vs. Georgia    Jacksonville, Fla. Everbank Field    Jan. 1 Noon
Heart of Dallas Bowl - UNLV vs. North Texas    Dallas Cotton Bowl    Jan. 1 Noon
Capital One Bowl - Wisconsin vs. South Carolina    Orlando, Fla. Florida Citrus Bowl    Jan. 1 1 p.m.
Outback Bowl - Iowa vs. LSU    Tampa, Fla. Raymond James Stadium    Jan. 1 1 p.m.
Rose Bowl Game presented by VIZIO Stanford vs. Michigan State    Pasadena, Calif. Rose Bowl    Jan. 1 5 p.m.    
Tostitos Fiesta Bowl UCF vs. Baylor    Glendale, Ariz. U. of Phoenix Stadium    Jan. 1 8:30 p.m.

Thursday January 2nd
Allstate Sugar Bowl Oklahoma vs. Alabama    New Orleans Louisiana Superdome    Jan. 2 8:30 p.m.

Friday January 3rd
Discover Orange Bowl Clemson vs. Ohio State    Miami Sun Life Stadium    Jan. 3 8:30 p.m.
AT&T Cotton Bowl Oklahoma State vs. Missouri    Arlington, Texas  AT&T Stadium    Jan. 3 7:30 p.m.

Saturday January 4th
BBVA Compass Bowl - Vanderbilt vs. Houston    Birmingham, Ala. Legion Field    Jan. 4 1 p.m.
GoDaddy Bowl - Arkansas State vs. Ball State    Mobile, Ala. Ladd-Peebles Stadium    Jan. 5 9 p.m.

Monday January 6th
VIZIO BCS National Championship
No. 1 Florida State vs. No. 2 Auburn    Pasadena, Calif. Rose Bowl    Jan. 6 8:30 p.m.

It was sad (but expected) that the Sugar Bowl selected the Sooners to play the Tide over Oregon, a game everyone outside OU wanted to see.

Never really that pushed about bowl season outside of Auburn and the Tide's games and the title game - (the lower tier's play-offs mean much more in the grand scheme of things - but the warm-up game at the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day between Stanford and Sparty seems like it could be a good one. Have Cook and that offense turned a corner? If they have the Spartans will be challenging for the top table next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 16, 2013, 04:30:13 PM
HBO's 24/7 Road to the Winter Classic started over the weekend leading up to the game between the Red Wings and Maple Leafs at Michigan Stadium on January 1st. They are anticipating a crowd of over 100,000 for the game

(http://i.imgur.com/riotLXh.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 16, 2013, 06:53:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 16, 2013, 03:58:22 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 10, 2013, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
I think Forte is more than competent in short yardage situations. Poor offensive line play was his worst enemy in the past as well as poor QB play (i.e. everyone knew he was getting it!!!!).

Just such a pity about this years patchwork quilt of a defense. Even a slowed down Urlacher would be a huge help in there now. The tackling is terrible.

I would love us to have a fast small guy like Moreno/Rice/Jones Drew/Sproules to give us another option and to take some of the attention off Forte who as you said can get it done at the goal line but can also cut to the outside or inside! I like the way the Niners have Kendal Hunter get some big plays when Gore is getting a rest , we just don't have this at the moment and that is my biggest probelm with Bush.

God even an old man Urlacher would be massive for us on D at the moment but time moves on ( money as always talks) and I suppose D.J. Williams was suppose to be some cover but he's crocked at the moment too.

Michael Bush must have been reading our criticism! that was a fine 40 yard trundle for a score. Jay's return was typical Cutler. Some bad throws and some lasers. Got in done in 4th quarter though so hopes still alive. I wonder are Lance and Peanut far off coming back?

Yeah Seanie I was watching it with my brother I had just been saying how shite Bush has been and then he rumbles into the end zone. Cutler was well , just Cutler but I do think he could prosper under Triesman. Hopefully Tillman and Briggs will be back soon and we finally get a bit of luck to sneak into the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 16, 2013, 11:12:16 PM
We need Baltimore to win tonight. Then it's back in the Bears hands.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 17, 2013, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 16, 2013, 11:12:16 PM
We need Baltimore to win tonight. Then it's back in the Bears hands.

Go Seanie , go Ravens , GO BEARSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 17, 2013, 02:11:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 16, 2013, 11:12:16 PM
We need Baltimore to win tonight. Then it's back in the Bears hands.

Go Seanie , go Ravens , GO BEARSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D

Tucker take a bow! I suppose he owed us one after that crazy overtime game that he kicked the winner in after Gould's uncharacteristic miss. A 61-yarder though!

Two tough but winnable games for da Bears, @ Philly and v. the fudge. Both will probably be shootouts what with da Bears porous defense and potent offense and both opponents a little the same way.

I think the Lions will win out (v. Giants, @ Vikings) to finish 9-7. Fudge have a tough one v. Steelers next week but I reckon they'll take that one. Bears have to win both remaining games because of poor division record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on December 17, 2013, 05:59:43 PM
Lads im not as knowledgable with American football as i am with GAA :P, but i really think the dolphins are the real deal and tannehill looks a quality QB, whats yere verdict?

I think we'll get the wild card.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 17, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
Very average tbh. Then again, this is probably the worst AFC ive seen in over a decade. People talk about great defenses in the NFL ( the NFC has 2 ). Not alone , does the AFC have NO great defenses , there are literally NO good defenses even :o. I really believe that any team in the AFC playoff picture can make the SB...Tannehill is progressing well, but hes still very much an average QB in the bigger context of things, would be very hard to see the Dolphins going into either Cincy, NE, Denver or Indy and winning?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on December 17, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
The Dolphins are progressing nicely this year, Tannenhill  has come on in leap and bounds the second half of the season, especially when you consider how depleted his Offensive Line has become since the Incognito/Martin bullying saga. They will be happy to get a wildcard game and get to the playoffs for the first time since 2008. Should be a Seahawks/Broncos Superbowl with the Seahawks winning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 17, 2013, 08:33:20 PM
I don't trust the Broncos to get there, especially if Welker gets another concussion. I predict a Manning interception and someone like the Ravens or Patriots to knock them off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 17, 2013, 09:27:46 PM
I reckon a Niners Panthers NFC title game and Pats Ravens AFC game with Niners Pats SB.
Ravens will win their Division then beat KC and Denver, Colts beat Dolphins and then get dropped by NE.
One the other side the SB will be decided in the Niners Seaguls game and just because Pete Carroll is such a cheat and it's Seattle I hope the niners kick ass (I fear the opposite however)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 17, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
Loving Wilson's progression. Probably the best QB of the 2012 class so far and an incredible steal in the third round. Has all the makings of an elite QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 22, 2013, 08:50:12 PM
Chargers hanging in. Need Ravens to fall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 23, 2013, 12:32:55 AM
Dolphins 8-7
Ravens 8-7
Chargers 8-7

for the last spot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 23, 2013, 12:40:52 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 23, 2013, 12:32:55 AM
Dolphins 8-7
Ravens 8-7
Chargers 8-7

for the last spot.

Steelers still alive as well if they beat the Pack. Would be hilarious if they made it after the season they've had.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 23, 2013, 12:54:06 AM
Cards probably won't make it even though they had a brilliant win up in Seattle. 10-5 today. Need some unlikely results and a win v SF next week to have any chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 23, 2013, 04:33:45 AM
That Bears run D is fecking shocking! It was ridiculous to go back to Cutler after the way McCown had played the previous month. The usual franchise QB talk is absolut shitetalk. Cutler hadn't put 3 or 4 games together like McCown had, in years. Not much help from his O linemen, but he is distinctly average. Will be gone at the end of the season, McCown signed for a fraction of the money, and the rest spent on much needed help on the other side of the ball....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 23, 2013, 07:56:15 AM
Gonna be some bad teams in the playoffs, I know there are weak teams every year but it seems more pronounced this year, and Arizona could miss out with an 11-5 record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 23, 2013, 10:27:29 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 23, 2013, 04:33:45 AM
That Bears run D is fecking shocking! It was ridiculous to go back to Cutler after the way McCown had played the previous month. The usual franchise QB talk is absolut shitetalk. Cutler hadn't put 3 or 4 games together like McCown had, in years. Not much help from his O linemen, but he is distinctly average. Will be gone at the end of the season, McCown signed for a fraction of the money, and the rest spent on much needed help on the other side of the ball....

Agree entirely. I was one of Cutler's biggest defenders but it's patently clear that he is not as comfortable in this offense as McCown. With the way the Bears defense is you have to get a score almost every possession and starting the game the way they did was a disaster. It's a tough decision and I reckon they'll stick with Cutler. I'd go with McCown. Cutler has been terrible against the Packers in recent times. It was good to see Briggs back but he was rusty. Hopefully the game will bring him on becasue he was obviously a yard or two off his usual self last night.

If da Bears make the playoffs with that defense (a) it's almost and miracle and (b) they won't last long in the playoffs. Typical that after all those years of having good defenses and poor offenses that once the offense gets sorted the arse falls out of the defense!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 23, 2013, 10:12:31 PM
Romo is out for the season

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10187713/tony-romo-dallas-cowboys-miss-rest-season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 23, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Last game at The 'Stick tonight as it's unlikely the niners will get a home game for the playoffs. Passed the new Stadium this morning and it's pretty impressive. 2016 Super Bowl lined up there. Funny that the Stadium is 50 miles from the City and basically in San Jose - Money talks I guess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 23, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
Romos backup is Kyle Orton. It will be interesting to see if he can help the cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 23, 2013, 11:32:18 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 23, 2013, 11:21:46 PM
Romos backup is Kyle Orton. It will be interesting to see if he can help the cowboys.

As backups in the NFL go he would be one of the better ones, hard to know what he will be like though not seeing any action.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 24, 2013, 04:34:00 AM
Gus Malzahn won the Coach of the Year award, obviously a slam dunk given Auburn's turn-around this year. Getting excited for the big one now.

The Magic on the Plains - the Prayer at Jordan-Hare, the Iron Bowl, the Kick Six itself, Mason running for over 300 yards on one of the nation's best defences in the SEC title game. The moment I think it all started to click was the game in College Station against Johnny Football, to edge out a big game like away from homet told me this team had something a little special. It's been an incredible year for Auburn and an incredible swansong for the BCS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddlpwc4pNjM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 08:58:20 PM
In the Chargers' hands now, almost. Didn't think the Ravens and Dolphins would both collapse. Miami still a bit of time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
Chiefs-Chargers 14-14 at end of 1st quarter. Ding dong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 29, 2013, 10:12:35 PM
Quote from: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
Chiefs-Chargers 14-14 at end of 1st quarter. Ding dong.

It'd be the Pitts if the Chargers lost to the Chiefs' scout team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 10:13:45 PM
Yep - Charger Chokers will be hard to live down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 10:37:15 PM
And choking Chargers they look like. 14-21.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 11:30:59 PM
Chargers = Mayo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2013, 12:15:24 AM
Remarkable. Kansas miss a FG from 41 with 15 secs left. Tied at 24-24.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 30, 2013, 12:36:55 AM
Holy f**k Aaron Rodgers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 30, 2013, 12:41:47 AM
Quote from: ONeill on December 29, 2013, 11:30:59 PM
Chargers = Mayo

O yeh?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2013, 12:46:00 AM
Phew. That was eventful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2013, 01:21:20 AM
Bengals now for the right to play the Broncos. Chargers have no fear of Denver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 30, 2013, 01:26:03 AM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 30, 2013, 04:24:00 PM
Absolutely gutted for da Bears last night. Really should not have lost that game. The ridiculous "fumble TD". Conte letting the ball go through his arms on the last drive when even knocking it down won the game. Conte totally blowing coverage on that final play. Crucial mistakes that cost which was a shame as the defense played reasonably (relative to how bad they've been - Briggs back close to game speed was a major factor here) and after a stuttering first half the offense destroyed GB in the second. Forte was not deserving of being on the losing team.

Some of the officiating was curious to say the least. The media darling Rodgers feigning injury to get a 15 yard penalty instead of a sack. Surely Kuhn's chop block on Peppers at the end was not legal either?

Funny that last season da Bears finished 10-6 and the coach got fired. No talk of that this time. Trestman has installed a really good offense. Injuries crippled the defense and the backups were too raw to even manage a damage limitation exercise. You have to expect injuries but if Briggs, Tilman and Melton had been there all season....

Last offseason they fixed the o-line admirably. The secondary and d-line need surgery this year. I'd keep Cutler but wouldn't break the bank for him. A short, heavily incentivised deal should be the approach. Would be great to keep McCown around also if possible. Need Briggs to tutor the young LB's Bostic and Greene who are good athletes but got caught out many times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 30, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
Night of the Long Axes for Five NFL Coaches (Five . . . so far)

Mike Shanahan (Washington)
Greg Schiano (Tampa Bay)
Leslie Frazier (Minnesota)
Jim Schwartz (Detroit)
Rob Chudzinski (Cleveland)

None of these surprise me except Chud.  Shanahan in perpetual head-butting match with owner.  Schiano had a decent enough team, but he seemed like a real head-the-ball, never mind the outbreak of MRSA in the locker room.  Frazier just couln't get the QB situation settled, and Schwartz had a team well able to win their division but . . . . But Chud gets one year and done.  Has no running game, has QBs go down left right and center.  Surely a coach needs more than one year.  So what's that? Four coaches in six years in Cleveland. Pittsburgh's has had three since 1969,  Who in their right mind would take the Browns' job with that sort of job security? So once more Cleveland's SuperBowl will be the NFL draft.  Such a beleaguered franchise and such a trod-upon fan base.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on December 31, 2013, 08:57:34 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 30, 2013, 09:46:31 PM
Night of the Long Axes for Five NFL Coaches (Five . . . so far)

Mike Shanahan (Washington)
Greg Schiano (Tampa Bay)
Leslie Frazier (Minnesota)
Jim Schwartz (Detroit)
Rob Chudzinski (Cleveland)

None of these surprise me except Chud.  Shanahan in perpetual head-butting match with owner.  Schiano had a decent enough team, but he seemed like a real head-the-ball, never mind the outbreak of MRSA in the locker room.  Frazier just couln't get the QB situation settled, and Schwartz had a team well able to win their division but . . . . But Chud gets one year and done.  Has no running game, has QBs go down left right and center.  Surely a coach needs more than one year.  So what's that? Four coaches in six years in Cleveland. Pittsburgh's has had three since 1969,  Who in their right mind would take the Browns' job with that sort of job security? So once more Cleveland's SuperBowl will be the NFL draft.  Such a beleaguered franchise and such a trod-upon fan base.
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You wanna try supporting the Raiders....... :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 31, 2013, 03:33:51 PM
I agree Oraisteach. I don't think Chudzinski should have been fired. I assume he had a lot of say in the Trent Richardson heist and he deserved the chance to use the picks the draft and see what he could do. The Browns were not that bad this season, a small improvement could have a massive impact in results.

Have a little sympathy for Frazier. He worked a complete miracle (ok, maybe it was the purple Jesus' miracle) to make the playoffs last year. The move for Freeman and then playing him too early anyway was terrible, granted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 03, 2014, 05:31:53 AM
Sugar Bowl

Oklahoma 45  Alabama 31

Sooners sack QB McCarron seven times.  Terrific game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 03, 2014, 05:32:36 AM
McCarron's Bama career ends with a fumble returned for a TD, Sooners win 45-31 in the Sugar Bowl.

Great game but it always felt like a strange shift by the Tide, flirting with good defence only to give huge yardage on third downs and far too many predictable screens to Cooper made the Sooners' job a lot easier on defence too. You have perhaps the best QB in Tide history and you reduce him to flinging dump-offs like a freshman starter? There was pressure but not all the time.

Saban's Bama have always had trouble working themselves up for non-title bowl games, I guess they just are built to win the big one or nothing at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 03, 2014, 04:39:43 PM
Game reminded me a little of the Auburn defeat.  Chinks in the 'Bama armor when having to cope with the hurry-up offence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 03, 2014, 09:11:43 PM
Bama will be back next year. It's the big one or nothing for those guys.

Not sure AJ will make that big an impact with the pros
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 04, 2014, 09:24:17 AM
One of the best weekednd of the year sport wise coming up with Wildcard weekend.

Usually throws up at least one shock and this year  I can see San Diego turning over the Bengals. Dalton still has to prove it on nthe big stage and is prone to making mistakes that the elite QBs simply will not do. SD will be up for it and may think its their  year after they somehow made it through last week!

New Orleans to beat Philly comfortably with Brees starring and Kansas to beat Indy in the battle of the #1 picks. Kansas will be well rested after last weekend and Smith simply looks after the ball to well. (Cue about 6 picks!).

The 49ers at the Pack is hard to call. On form it is the 49ers all day long,and I think they are the best overall team in the Conference but Seattle having Home field advantage is huge, they would be my pick to come out of the NFC but the Rodgers factor means you cannot write Greenbay off.  Remember 2010!!

Need to go and clear some space on the Sky+
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2014, 09:43:38 AM
Hope the niners hammer lucky Green Bay and can't see it happening any other way. 49ers defense is a different story that even last weeks improved Bears D. Rodgers will be less rusty but he will be sacked at least 5 times and we'll see how the collarbone is then. GB's defense is terrible and won't be able to stop Kaepernick. They better hope for high winds along with freezing conditions to keep this close.

I think Philadelphia have a right good chance of beating New Orleans, especially if they can keep pace or get ahead early. NO are only average on the road.

Don't think the Bengals will slip up at home but the Chargers are dangerous and will have nothing to lose.

I think the Chiefs will take the Colts also. Not convinced that Indy have enough overall and KC looks a well balanced outfit overall. Charles is a difference maker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 04, 2014, 12:03:22 PM
you have to fancy the niners but Rodgers is one of the best in the business at getting rid of the ball quickly. I don't seehim getting caught to often. Matthews is a massive loss though.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 04, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
It will be the cold that could do in the Niners. The game will be played in about -20C and apparently Green Bay have still about 5K tickets available, this for a that has sold out all home games since 1960 and has ~90K people on a waiting list for season tickets! The local companies in the area have bought up enough tickets to ensure its not blacked out due to stupid TV rules. So it will be fair cold if the fans are staying away!
Chargers to beat Cincy
Indi to beat the KC
Philly to win also at home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 05:41:15 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 04, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
It will be the cold that could do in the Niners. The game will be played in about -20C and apparently Green Bay have still about 5K tickets available, this for a that has sold out all home games since 1960 and has ~90K people on a waiting list for season tickets! The local companies in the area have bought up enough tickets to ensure its not blacked out due to stupid TV rules. So it will be fair cold if the fans are staying away!
Chargers to beat Cincy
Indi to beat the KC
Philly to win also at home.

The chance to see a new Ice Bowl? Packer fans are well used to the cold so any with tickets will attend - it's hard enough to get tickets to attend the Frozen Thundra for any game. The unsolds that those corps were giving away might end up with some empty seats, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 04, 2014, 06:24:43 PM
Chargers win for me here!
While your record is who you are - The Bolts could very easily have been 13-3 this year.
They have beat the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts and Eagles - all playoff teams.
The seven losses this year have been by a combined total of 35 points - that is a margin of 5 points per loss. They are in every game until the end.
The team is healthy and on a 5-1 streak.
They are better than their record and are a very motivated and collectively a talented team.


Serious price @ 23/10!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 04, 2014, 06:24:43 PM
Chargers win for me here!
While your record is who you are - The Bolts could very easily have been 13-3 this year.
They have beat the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts and Eagles - all playoff teams.
The seven losses this year have been by a combined total of 35 points - that is a margin of 5 points per loss. They are in every game until the end.
The team is healthy and on a 5-1 streak.
They are better than their record and are a very motivated and collectively a talented team.


Serious price @ 23/10!!

It was alarming how hard they found it to beat a Chiefs team resting 20 out of 22 starters at home with a play-off berth on the line. Don't know how confident I'd be of them beating a well-rounded Bengals teams in Cincy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 04, 2014, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2014, 08:20:48 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 04, 2014, 06:24:43 PM
Chargers win for me here!
While your record is who you are - The Bolts could very easily have been 13-3 this year.
They have beat the Broncos, Chiefs, Colts and Eagles - all playoff teams.
The seven losses this year have been by a combined total of 35 points - that is a margin of 5 points per loss. They are in every game until the end.
The team is healthy and on a 5-1 streak.
They are better than their record and are a very motivated and collectively a talented team.


Serious price @ 23/10!!

It was alarming how hard they found it to beat a Chiefs team resting 20 out of 22 starters at home with a play-off berth on the line. Don't know how confident I'd be of them beating a well-rounded Bengals teams in Cincy.

I give you that Syferus... wouldnt be surprised if there were 3-4 surprises tonight.. Didnt touch the Ind v KC match, too hard to call i think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2014, 09:17:45 PM
The weather will surely play a part. If philly is cold and snowy, I can see them beating New Orleans. Green Bay will be frigid as well. I'll go Chiefs, Eagles, Packers and bengals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:17:04 PM
I'd agree with all those picks there AZ except I think the Saints should win. Its expected to be below freezing in Philly but not snowing. So I think the Saints will manage in those conditions. Sean Peyton vs a rookie coach. Saints for me.

Surprised to see the Chiefs out in front by so much at half time though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 04, 2014, 11:24:06 PM
The chiefs look to have this game wrapped up at half time. They have a 31-10 lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:17:04 PM
I'd agree with all those picks there AZ except I think the Saints should win. Its expected to be below freezing in Philly but not snowing. So I think the Saints will manage in those conditions. Sean Peyton vs a rookie coach. Saints for me.

Surprised to see the Chiefs out in front by so much at half time though.

Saints 8-0 at home this year, 3-5 on the road and have never won a road playoff game. They are built for a dome. It would be an alarming trend if I was a Saints fan.

I think the Chiefs will beat the Colts......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
Could have sworn the Saints won outdoors when they won the SB?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
Could have sworn the Saints won outdoors when they won the SB?

Nah they were #1 seed and had homefield advantage throughout playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
well, Im gonna stick with them.

Mike Mayock is the Jimmy McGee of the NFL. He must remember every draft pick for the last 10 years or so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2014, 11:35:40 PM
Quote from: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:34:22 PM
well, Im gonna stick with them.

Mike Mayock is the Jimmy McGee of the NFL. He must remember every draft pick for the last 10 years or so.

I wouldn't be surprised if they won, with the weapons they have, and a quarterback as good as Brees.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 04, 2014, 11:55:25 PM
Colts aren't beat yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2014, 11:56:41 PM
Game on here. I think the Chiefs were half way home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 05, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
In slightly related news, Packer fans were loving the fact those happless bears signed that monkey cutler to a seven year deal, that adds up to a lot of packer wins against da bears in the coming decade.............................. and they wonder why they havent had a sniff since the eighties!  ;)

The Bungles are the most talented team but Denver will win it if Manning can improve on his prior playoff form, he is an incredible season long player and a decent playoff qb.

I think the pack get torched tomorrow with temps in the negative thirty wind chill range.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2014, 12:20:35 AM
There's a completely different intensity to these games compared to regular season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 12:28:34 AM
Quote from: stew on January 05, 2014, 12:17:59 AM
In slightly related news, Packer fans were loving the fact those happless bears signed that monkey cutler to a seven year deal, that adds up to a lot of packer wins against da bears in the coming decade.............................. and they wonder why they havent had a sniff since the eighties!  ;)

The Bungles are the most talented team but Denver will win it if Manning can improve on his prior playoff form, he is an incredible season long player and a decent playoff qb.

I think the pack get torched tomorrow with temps in the negative thirty wind chill range.

The Bengals are the most talented? That's a big call. I'd imagine Denver, Seattle, New Orleans, San Francisco and probably another couple would call themselves at least as talented.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2014, 12:54:24 AM
Chargers to win comfortably tomorrow. Bengals only beat them 17-10 a lock of weeks ago and Rivers was all over the joint.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 05, 2014, 01:03:45 AM
Great game. some comeback.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 05, 2014, 01:04:13 AM
+2 on Kansas.... thank jesus!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 01:05:11 AM
Unreal. Feel sorry for KC with the injuries, but Luck is some boy in fairness to him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 01:05:11 AM
Unreal. Feel sorry for KC with the injuries, but Luck is some boy in fairness to him.

The fumble TD was awesome but pure luck, pardon the pun.

Reid doesn't have any understanding of clock management.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 01:21:31 AM
Enjoyed that one especially with Colts +2. Eagles -3 now hoping for another good one. Should be a few scores in this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 02:47:05 AM
Not so many scores as both defences playing strong. Eagles should be happy enough so far. Bree's has been careless first half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 03:25:09 AM
Saints in control now. Bree's been more careful with ball this half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 05, 2014, 03:38:38 AM
Bengals by 10 tomorrow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 04:04:38 AM
Suddenly the Eagles lead by one! 5 mins to go, saints injuries have had a big impact second half!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 04:12:22 AM
Saints going to take it! Good position for the winning kick. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 04:20:45 AM
Saints win 26 - 24
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 04:25:47 AM
Building up to be a great weekend of football. A modern Ice Bowl and, much more importantly, an Auburn win will complete the picture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 05, 2014, 05:36:24 AM
Yep, the modern Ice Bowl will be fun, but here's hoping the Noles open a can of whoop-ass! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 05, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
What is it American sports fans love so much about snowbound football matches? The thought of one has them buzzing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 05, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
What is it American sports fans love so much about snowbound football matches? The thought of one has them buzzing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZo3wHpOuEc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmZo3wHpOuEc

Consider yourself educated ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 05, 2014, 03:25:46 PM
couple of great games for the neutral yesterday. feel sorry for the chiefs, injuries ultimately cost them as they couldn't maintain the good start. 80+ points in a playoff game is some sscoring!

Luck has something about him that the great qbs have, an ability to forget about a mistake straight away and keep on going for it. Brees showed the same in the later game  after an awful start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 05, 2014, 03:37:08 PM
I was offered two tickets for nothing for the packed game yesterday and declined them, the thought of sitting at Lambeau with temps in the negative thirties did not fill me with much in the way of enthusiasm,  and those benches they have you sitting on are made of metal and freeze the hole off you.

Rodgers needs to have the game of his life today and dont be surprised if a player or two gets frostbite today, these kind of temperatures can kill people.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
I get that it's feckin cold but surely if you wrap up very well you'd be sound. Bring a blanket to stick under your arse and a few balaclavas to cover the ears/nose etc. How many Packer playoff games will you get tickets for?

Real reason Pack fans are staying away is they reckon they're going to get humped.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 05, 2014, 04:19:32 PM
There is no chance of the packers getting humped! If anything, this is their game to lose . At home, Rodgers back, Cobb back and a decent run game . The niners are not playing as well as they were last year.
Florida St are better than Auburn, but Auburn look like the title is their destiny. Should be a cracker, FS by 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2014, 04:37:18 PM
Packers were very lucky last week. It won't continue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 05, 2014, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 05, 2014, 03:55:37 PM
I get that it's feckin cold but surely if you wrap up very well you'd be sound. Bring a blanket to stick under your arse and a few balaclavas to cover the ears/nose etc. How many Packer playoff games will you get tickets for?

Real reason Pack fans are staying away is they reckon they're going to get humped.

Seanie you do not seem to have a clue how cold negative thirty feels, in yesterdays green bay press Gazette they had a picture of a packers sponsored event were they had people showing a crowd how best to dress. At these type of temperatures people are going to get cold no matter how many layers they have on.

Oh aye, I hate going to packer games, I would take brewer tickets all day long before pack tickets, too much down time and I have been to more than my fair share, watching at home is the way to go for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
Bengals -7 and 49ers -3 my fancies today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 05, 2014, 05:58:57 PM
So cold I think I'll have a bite of my coffee.  A Frank Gifford line, I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2014, 07:52:56 PM
Took the Bengals a quarter to get to grips with the Chargers' running game. Now SD can't get 10 yds. Fear the worst.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 08:22:56 PM
Andy, Andy, Andy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 05, 2014, 08:32:17 PM
Bengals defense keeping them in it.  Dalton has had a shocker but all credit to Chargers, they putting Dalton under serious pressure! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 05, 2014, 08:38:51 PM
Andy "Apple" Turnover
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2014, 08:54:31 PM
Dalton is holding that Bengals team back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 05, 2014, 08:57:59 PM
Did San Diego -6.5 @ 1/1 ...seems like a steal!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 05, 2014, 09:06:12 PM
Yeeehhaaaa.

And they'll beat the Broncos too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 09:15:34 PM
3 of the last 4 AFC teams are from the West. Only the Patriots from anywhere else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 09:17:20 PM
Oops. Scratch that. I still can't believe KC threw that away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 09:17:20 PM
Oops. Scratch that. I still can't believe KC threw that away.

Alex Smith played like a man possessed, QB rating of just south of 120 without Jamaal Charles. Way too many injuries. Losing Flowers helped make their defense as tough as jelly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2014, 09:36:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 05, 2014, 09:17:20 PM
Oops. Scratch that. I still can't believe KC threw that away.

Alex Smith played like a man possessed, QB rating of just south of 120 without Jamaal Charles. Way too many injuries. Losing Flowers helped make their defense as tough as jelly.

Just too many injuries to absorb, down to their third string RB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2014, 09:57:03 PM
Can't see Packers winning with this defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 06, 2014, 12:29:46 AM
Tough one to call with 5 mins to go! Both teams have defended well!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 06, 2014, 01:11:08 AM
Inches. Go 9ers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 06, 2014, 02:18:27 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 05, 2014, 09:06:12 PM
Yeeehhaaaa.

And they'll beat the Broncos too.
no they won't ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 06, 2014, 02:24:43 AM
The AFC is one of the most average in years. Denver are a great offense , but absolutely awful on the other side of the ball. The pats have been decimated with injuries and were still the 2 seed :o
I would take the NFC winner against any AFC team right now, particularly as the SB is outdoors in NY this year. That won't suit Denver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 05, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
What is it American sports fans love so much about snowbound football matches? The thought of one has them buzzing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZo3wHpOuEc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmZo3wHpOuEc

Consider yourself educated ;)

I'd heard about the Ice Bowl. Are you saying all the hoopla whenever there is snow on the radar is attached to that one game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mc_grens on January 06, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
Quote from: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 05, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
What is it American sports fans love so much about snowbound football matches? The thought of one has them buzzing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZo3wHpOuEc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmZo3wHpOuEc

Consider yourself educated ;)

I'd heard about the Ice Bowl. Are you saying all the hoopla whenever there is snow on the radar is attached to that one game?

Not JUST that one game, but that's certainly the most famous example. I remember watching an absolute cracker about 5 years ago between Green Bay and The Giants in the snow- an NFC Championship game I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: mc_grens on January 06, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
Quote from: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 09:03:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 05, 2014, 09:03:20 AM
What is it American sports fans love so much about snowbound football matches? The thought of one has them buzzing.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mZo3wHpOuEc&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmZo3wHpOuEc

Consider yourself educated ;)

I'd heard about the Ice Bowl. Are you saying all the hoopla whenever there is snow on the radar is attached to that one game?

Not JUST that one game, but that's certainly the most famous example. I remember watching an absolute cracker about 5 years ago between Green Bay and The Giants in the snow- an NFC Championship game I think.

The Tuck Rule Game happened in a snow storm too.

..and the Snowplow Game for that matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowplow_Game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
I think it speaks more to the essence of American Football, especially the old values. Strap it up, line up and smash the bejaysus out of each other, while running up the gut in a cloud of 'dust' (or snow). The modern, pass happy NFL reverts to something more primitive when there's a tonne of snow on the ground and you can barely stand up, never mind throw a 40 yard spiral.

I also think it reinforces the image of the NFL being a tough guy sport. Ice Hockey is genuinely a tough guy sport, but the NFL also trades on that image. It's a winter sport, a cold weather, snots and blood sport. This may not apply to much to the new domed stadiums, or the Arizona Cardinals for example, but a game in a blizzard brings back memories and images of great games gone by. And it's so different, you'll not get Baseball or Basketball (obviously) in weather like that. 'this here's football weather'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:03:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
I think it speaks more to the essence of American Football, especially the old values. Strap it up, line up and smash the bejaysus out of each other, while running up the gut in a cloud of 'dust' (or snow). The modern, pass happy NFL reverts to something more primitive when there's a tonne of snow on the ground and you can barely stand up, never mind throw a 40 yard spiral.

I also think it reinforces the image of the NFL being a tough guy sport. Ice Hockey is genuinely a tough guy sport, but the NFL also trades on that image. It's a winter sport, a cold weather, snots and blood sport. This may not apply to much to the new domed stadiums, or the Arizona Cardinals for example, but a game in a blizzard brings back memories and images of great games gone by. And it's so different, you'll not get Baseball or Basketball (obviously) in weather like that. 'this here's football weather'.

Gotcha. Was football so different in less 'pass happy' days? Is that what it's like in high school?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 04:15:08 PM
Ah yeah. The NFL has changed an awful lot since I started watching in the 80s even. Conventional wisdom then was 'Run the ball, control the game, grind them down'. Then sometime in the early 00's, maybe with the 'Greatest Show on Turf' (The Rams with Kurt Warner), passing and high scoring became de riguer. Rule changes have also contributed to this as they protect QBs more, and call Pass Interference with alacrity.

The great quarterbacks of the past (Starr, Montana, Elway, Marino et al) had to really be efficient to pad their stats, which make them all the more remarkable. These days passing yardage and TD records are falling like dominoes.

There is a counter movement which briefly threatened, but I'm not sure if that's already peaked. It was the mobile 'read option' passer, like Kapernick, Griffin etc, which has come from College to the NFL, but now that defenses are starting to punish QBs that run, this might be already on the way out.

The top college programmes can pass effectively, but running is probably more important in college, and definitely in the less talented schools. the Option quarterbacks are still popular there, but a lot of colleges are putting in place more 'Pro Style' offenses, which leads to more passing attempts and some of the crazy scores the likes of Oregon, Baylor and others can run up.

High School is another step down in terms of the number of schools that can be all out pass, but High School coaches are trying to go that way if they can, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 04:15:08 PM
High School is another step down in terms of the number of schools that can be all out pass, but High School coaches are trying to go that way if they can, no doubt about it.

When I say 'high school', I meant that perhaps a running game is more common when you are playing with jumpers for goalposts (so to speak). The guys in the NFL are playing a different game altogether.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 04:20:32 PM
Well, it's more to do with talent. It's probably easier to play an effective run game, than a great passing game. At the end of the day, if you have a great athlete in High School, he's probably at QB in the less deep schools, and the chances are he's playing in an option system and running the ball a lot.

The talent needed to have a consistent passing game (pass blocking, route running, accurate throwing, good reading of defense) makes it a lot harder for smaller high schools to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:24:52 PM
I'd also suggest (waiting to be shot down) that football's roots are in colder parts of America?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:17:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 04:15:08 PM
High School is another step down in terms of the number of schools that can be all out pass, but High School coaches are trying to go that way if they can, no doubt about it.

When I say 'high school', I meant that perhaps a running game is more common when you are playing with jumpers for goalposts (so to speak). The guys in the NFL are playing a different game altogether.

High school football is huuuuge. Texas is the gold standard for high school ball but I was at a random high school game in Hoover, Alabama a few years ago and there was something like 5,000 people at it in a very well appointed stadium. The whole american football system is very well funded and supported and is taken very seriously by players and supporters alike.

You see more option offenses in high school and college - where the QB has the option to either run with the ball himself or pitch the ball to a designated runner on his side depending on what the defense gives him - but likewise there's a lot of teams that play pro-style offenses too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 04:27:53 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:24:52 PM
I'd also suggest (waiting to be shot down) that football's roots are in colder parts of America?

I think that's fair to say. Certainly the whole pro Football identity would be rooted in places like Chicago, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Noo Yawk. Teams like Atlanta, Arizona, Seattle, New Orleans et al, would be relative new kids on the block in those locations. (Arizona were originally the Chicago Cardinals).

However, some of the 'hotbeds' (no pun intended) of college and high school football are in the South. Alabama, Florida and of course Texas are huge for college and high school ball especially. High School football in Texas is bananas.

Edit, basically what Syferus said.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
I've seen Friday Night Lights. Timmy Ryan wouldn't be out of place in it. Thanks for all the feedback, lads. Most informative.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 06, 2014, 05:02:53 PM
There is a massive following in Seattle - bigger than anything I've ever seen for the NFL.
they are also working hard on building coolege football here and high school football - one of the nearby schools (Bellevue) is ranked 4th in the nation and drafted a QB from Texas!! An entire family moves 2000 miles up to the Pacific Northwest so their teenager can play football for a particular school.......

My Father in Law often talks about football being played in the cold and laughs at teams in Domes and covered stadiums. He's very happy to see the Super Bowl in NY this year and hopes it snows so we can see some real football (he says). So your observations are very true - football is rooted in the cold!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 06, 2014, 05:04:24 PM
What yous think of the match tonight lads? Cant see past an FSU win!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
On paper, yes, but a star rookie at QB against a strong running fast paced Auburn attack... hmmm... I'll say FSU, because I think their defense is better, but if Auburn get on a roll, or if Winston gets rattled, Auburn will win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on January 06, 2014, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
I've seen Friday Night Lights. Timmy Ryan wouldn't be out of place in it. Thanks for all the feedback, lads. Most informative.

Read the book Deiseach, just finished and it is f**ked up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 06, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
On paper, yes, but a star rookie at QB against a strong running fast paced Auburn attack... hmmm... I'll say FSU, because I think their defense is better, but if Auburn get on a roll, or if Winston gets rattled, Auburn will win.

Serious points spread given @ 10.5..

Going to go with Florida over 36 points. Anytime theyre in the red-zone, theyre almost guaranteed to score
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 05:22:21 PM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on January 06, 2014, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: deiseach on January 06, 2014, 04:31:43 PM
I've seen Friday Night Lights. Timmy Ryan wouldn't be out of place in it. Thanks for all the feedback, lads. Most informative.

Read the book Deiseach, just finished and it is f**ked up

That's a recommendation?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 06, 2014, 05:26:26 PM
Wooooo! To be the man you gotta beat the man!! See the 49ers were getting some tips lol
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 06, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
Quote from: our_fella on January 06, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 06, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
On paper, yes, but a star rookie at QB against a strong running fast paced Auburn attack... hmmm... I'll say FSU, because I think their defense is better, but if Auburn get on a roll, or if Winston gets rattled, Auburn will win.

Serious points spread given @ 10.5..

Going to go with Florida over 36 points. Anytime theyre in the red-zone, theyre almost guaranteed to score

As are the Tigers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 06, 2014, 05:52:15 PM
AZ, i'm going to jump in and say that Ohio too is a hotbed of high school football, especially the Northeast and the Cincinnati areas. I've attended so-called "Holy War" games (St. Ignatius vs. St. Edward) with crowds in excess of 12,000, attendance limited by stadium capacity. I don't know what the high school football attendance record is, but I know that years ago a Holy Name vs Cathedral Latin game drew over 70.000 at Cleveland Municipal Stadium.  Remember also that Canton, Ohio, is home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.  Football has deep roots here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 06, 2014, 07:23:30 PM
In tonight's BCS game, I'm curious to see how FSU holds up in a tight contest.  The Noles have blown out everyone they've played, but will they maintain their equilibrium if the game is close in the 4th quarter, or will the freshman QB wilt under pressure.  Also, while the Noles have stifled their opponents' running games, Auburn is not Duke, Miami or the Southern Alabama School for Nannies.  The Tigers will throw at FSU not only a powerful North-South running attack but an array of run options that FSU has not yet encountered.  On the other hand, Auburn has the 102nd ranked passing defense and FSU has a dynamic aerial attack.  And it is the National Championship game, a long way from the comfort of Alabama and Northern Florida, so anything could happen.

Though my Buckeyes (or should I say "Suckeyes") are out of the equation, I'll be rooting for the Noles since my daughter is a grad student there, so c'mon Jailless Winston, let it fly.  Should be a thrilling affair.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 06, 2014, 08:29:46 PM
Well learned two things from the second round of games yesterday. Andy Dalton is not and will never be an elite quarterback and Kaepernick can still run it when he needs to.

Felt sorry for dalton, he just had a shocker but he will have serious questions asked over his position now.

In the second game when Rodgers did his Houdini act on 4 &2 late in the fourth to put the pack in position for the lead changing touchdown I thought that was it. Hyde will have nightmares about the dropped interception and Kaep had two huge conversions on the game winning drive, one to Crabtree where he stepped up and one where he kept it and legged it.

With a defence like that the niners will have a chance against anyone. Roll on next week!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 12:29:44 AM
Almost time for the last dance..

Didn't know Winston was from Birmingham. Imagine the Tide or the Tigers with Winston. Wow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 01:08:22 AM
I see that three players on the Auburn roster are from Tallahassee.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
Auburn significantly outnumbering the 'Noles in the stands.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 01:28:27 AM
Few of FSU's home games sell out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 01:44:59 AM
I'll have no nails left after this one. Plenty of heart by the Tigers to make that first stop in the red zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 01:47:14 AM
Huge stop by the Tigers & v. unlucky not to complete that long pass play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 01:54:49 AM
Clark is one hell of a punter. He's been doing that for months now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 02:04:58 AM
WAR EAGLE.

First time FSU have trailed since September.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:06:56 AM
Now we'll see Winston's composure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 02:10:19 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:06:56 AM
Now we'll see Winston's composure.

Deeeee

Deeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 02:11:24 AM
Argh..

EDIT: Deee-argh  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 02:24:58 AM
TD WAR EEEAGLE.

14-3 Tigers. Keep it going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:29:22 AM
C'mon Noles.  Not looking good.  Winston under severe pressure.  Auburn run game has Noles defense strained.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:45:01 AM
Easy FG miss.  Maybe now Winston can catch a breath.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:47:15 AM
. . . 0or maybe not!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 02:50:15 AM
21-3.

Nick Marshall ballin'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:52:29 AM
Noles not at all used to this.  Winston looks every bit a freshman right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 02:57:20 AM
Gutsy 4th down play--maybe that'll ignite the Noles.  C'mon garnet and gold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 03:00:39 AM
TD Noles--stopped the bleeding . . . for now, at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 03:21:26 AM
It's there for Auburn. No need for miracles if they keep up this level of intensity and game-planning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2014, 03:28:24 AM
I don't know. Think FSU are a better team. Auburn have the heart etc but if FSU get any rhythm going I think they will win. However if AU stop the first drives early it is theirs to lose...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 03:33:30 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 07, 2014, 03:28:24 AM
I don't know. Think FSU are a better team. Auburn have the heart etc but if FSU get any rhythm going I think they will win. However if AU stop the first drives early it is theirs to lose...

Say whaaaaa.

Auburn are playing lights out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 03:53:36 AM
Need to stop the Tigers early on this drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 04:09:52 AM
4th quarter. This is where we wanted them. Winning time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:19:38 AM
Noles defense didn't have to work v. hard in 3rd qtr., so maybe 4th qtr. may not be as rough on FSU.   Could the (Crimson) tide be turning?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:23:05 AM
TOUCHDOWN Noles.  1 pt. game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 04:24:44 AM
Terrible penalty by Freeman to give away after the TD to make the two point try impossible. Hopefully it costs FSU big.

21-20. 10 minutes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 04:31:44 AM
Tre... Tre.. c'mon..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 04:35:22 AM
FG Auburn. 24-20.

One more stop by the Tigers might be enough with that running game but this game is balanced on a knife edge.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2014, 04:36:25 AM
This is fun to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:38:12 AM
TOUCHDOWN Noles!  Still time left, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2014, 04:39:08 AM
Auburn just got Auburned
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:40:38 AM
lol Gabe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2014, 04:41:21 AM
What's the odds on OT?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 04:44:15 AM
Auburn will kill me before this season is over. That 3rd & 11.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2014, 04:48:29 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/BJOCxpG.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 04:48:59 AM
TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:49:30 AM
OUCH!  FSU needs a TD with 1 min. left
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2014, 04:50:24 AM
Onside?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:56:00 AM
I'm gnawing my keyboard
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2014, 04:57:52 AM
Big penalty there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 04:59:44 AM
Holy Macaroni!  What a finish. GO Noles!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 07, 2014, 05:04:03 AM
They can't do it again. CAN THEY??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 07, 2014, 05:04:59 AM
Wow brilliant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 05:05:04 AM
Incredible game. Auburn were astounding this year. Worst way to lose, so close and so far. Can't take any enjoyment out of that.

Well done to the 'Noles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 05:05:42 AM
Sorry, Syf, Auburn had a terrific run and an amazing turnaround from last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 05:13:35 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 07, 2014, 05:05:42 AM
Sorry, Syf, Auburn had a terrific run and an amazing turnaround from last year.

Cheers, Oraisteach. Back to gaelic now. Not counting on Pasadena weather in Ballinlough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 07, 2014, 05:27:09 AM
Made it to the pub for the last 6 mins...what a 6 mins! (Not as good as Istanbul mind!)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on January 07, 2014, 09:14:33 AM
Was reading about the Auburn fan who'd put $100 at 500/1 last January on Auburn to win. Said he wasn't going to hedge it, but was going to Vegas anyway in case he changed his mind! (Though I think Auburn were still big underdogs on the day, so presumably he would have needed a good amount of cash to do the hedge).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2014, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 07, 2014, 09:14:33 AM
Was reading about the Auburn fan who'd put $100 at 500/1 last January on Auburn to win. Said he wasn't going to hedge it, but was going to Vegas anyway in case he changed his mind! (Though I think Auburn were still big underdogs on the day, so presumably he would have needed a good amount of cash to do the hedge).

Auburn were 4/1 I think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on January 07, 2014, 01:32:34 PM
I am a Miami Hurricanes fan but it was great to see the Noles win last night just to keep all the Gator and SEC fans quiet for a while. The Canes will be back in the next couple of years with the threat of sanctions now lifted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 03:48:11 PM
The final AP rankings for the 2013 season:

1   Florida State   
2   Auburn   
3   Michigan State   
4   South Carolina   
5   Missouri   
6   Oklahoma   
7   Alabama   
8   Clemson   
9   Oregon   
10   UCF   
11   Stanford   
12   Ohio State   
13   Baylor   
14   LSU   
15   Louisville   
16   UCLA   
17   Oklahoma State   
18   Texas A&M   
19   USC   
20   Notre Dame   
21   Arizona State   
22   Wisconsin   
23   Duke   
24   Vanderbilt   
25   Washington

The Tide finish as only the fourth ranked SEC team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on January 07, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
Lads anyone know if any US teams are coming to Croker in 2014 like Notre Dame did recently?

I have Premium tickets and need to clear the mortgage, so I am hoping for Texas versus Iran or maybe Kim Jong Un v Floyd Mayweather. Any info appreciated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 07, 2014, 09:08:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 07, 2014, 12:59:51 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 07, 2014, 09:14:33 AM
Was reading about the Auburn fan who'd put $100 at 500/1 last January on Auburn to win. Said he wasn't going to hedge it, but was going to Vegas anyway in case he changed his mind! (Though I think Auburn were still big underdogs on the day, so presumably he would have needed a good amount of cash to do the hedge).

Auburn were 4/1 I think
they were, but he would have needed FS to cover his bet on Auburn. Fs were about 2/5!
He could have had 20 k on to win 8k? So it would have been either 30k or 8 .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
Lads anyone know if any US teams are coming to Croker in 2014 like Notre Dame did recently?

I have Premium tickets and need to clear the mortgage, so I am hoping for Texas versus Iran or maybe Kim Jong Un v Floyd Mayweather. Any info appreciated.

Penn State and the #10 ranked team up there, Central Florida, in September. Could end up being two nationally-ranked teams going at it. It mightn't sell out, though. Hook us up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on January 07, 2014, 09:42:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2014, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: muppet on January 07, 2014, 09:01:49 PM
Lads anyone know if any US teams are coming to Croker in 2014 like Notre Dame did recently?

I have Premium tickets and need to clear the mortgage, so I am hoping for Texas versus Iran or maybe Kim Jong Un v Floyd Mayweather. Any info appreciated.

Penn State and the #10 ranked team up there, Central Florida, in September. Could end up being two nationally-ranked teams going at it. It mightn't sell out, though. Hook us up.

Florida have a guy from Cork kicking for them which might generate some interest.

http://knightnews.com/2013/09/ucf-penn-state-ireland-game-will-be-special-experience-for-ucf-kicker-sean-galvin/

Some accent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on January 07, 2014, 10:33:16 PM
Penn State v Central Florida, cheers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2014, 10:37:51 PM
Never mind them. Hook me up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2014, 01:53:46 PM
When it's a tie on the handicap, as it was last night with Saints (-8) is the bet void ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
Confident of a Chargers win if Ryan Mathews is fit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maigheo on January 12, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2014, 01:53:46 PM
When it's a tie on the handicap, as it was last night with Saints (-8) is the bet void ?
Yes .Its called a push and no one wins or loses
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2014, 10:08:14 PM
Broncos are relentless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2014, 11:54:59 PM
Rivers won't throw. Defensively they're doing ok.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2014, 04:00:26 AM
Shane , they are very limited offensively . Only Keenan Allen is playing at an elite level. Eddie Royal was a punt returner/ 4 the receiver when he played for Denver. Danny Woodhead is a 3rd down back with a massive heart. Gates is done, about 25% of the player he was. Ryan Matthews is also average, albeit he wasn't fit today . End of the day, the 4 best teams in it at the start of the year, are the 4 left!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2014, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2014, 04:00:26 AM
Shane , they are very limited offensively . Only Keenan Allen is playing at an elite level. Eddie Royal was a punt returner/ 4 the receiver when he played for Denver. Danny Woodhead is a 3rd down back with a massive heart. Gates is done, about 25% of the player he was. Ryan Matthews is also average, albeit he wasn't fit today . End of the day, the 4 best teams in it at the start of the year, are the 4 left!

The Pats are a coach-em-up job by the Hoodie, man-for-man they're no match for any of the other teams left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2014, 10:24:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 13, 2014, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2014, 04:00:26 AM
Shane , they are very limited offensively . Only Keenan Allen is playing at an elite level. Eddie Royal was a punt returner/ 4 the receiver when he played for Denver. Danny Woodhead is a 3rd down back with a massive heart. Gates is done, about 25% of the player he was. Ryan Matthews is also average, albeit he wasn't fit today . End of the day, the 4 best teams in it at the start of the year, are the 4 left!

The Pats are a coach-em-up job by the Hoodie, man-for-man they're no match for any of the other teams left.

Really? I think they will beat the Broncos.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2014, 10:32:01 AM
Manning has demons about the Patriots, but I do think the Broncos are man for man a good bit better, especially in Denver. The only thing is if it is windy, Manning will struggle. I also still think he is prone to interceptions in the playoffs, and he threw an unfortunate one yesterday that wasn't his fault, but the Chargers secondary dropped a sure one in the first quarter as well, where he just over threw the receiver by a mile. He's a great QB, no doubt, but Bellichek has taken his number before and I wouldn't be surprised.

I know the niners were a 5 seed, but it certainly feels like the Conference Championships are 1v2 in both AFC and NFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
I would say the 49ers are the best balanced team left, great D, as do Seattle of course but I think the 49ers passing game is more threatening with Boldin, Davis & Crabtree. If they did win it would be some achievement, winning on the road in Green Bay, Carolina & Seattle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2014, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
I would say the 49ers are the best balanced team left, great D, as do Seattle of course but I think the 49ers passing game is more threatening with Boldin, Davis & Crabtree. If they did win it would be some achievement, winning on the road in Green Bay, Carolina & Seattle.

Hard to like the 9ers after Kaep's antics last night.

Honestly hard to get behind any of the teams left. Denver probably the best of a bad lot in terms of neutral support.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2014, 10:18:36 PM
Players have been ripping off the Cam celebration since he joined the league - it's nothing new
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2014, 10:20:08 PM
It's tough for me as a Cardinals fan to support either of the NFC West powerhouses that are left, but I do like the 49 ers as an organisation, so I'll go for them.. I can't stand Pete Carroll, so I can't cheer for the hawks, even though I do like Wilson and lynch. I respect Brady and the hoodie, but I can't warm to them, and I don't like big teeth John Elway in Denver.. Are the Broncos the only team in the NFL to have on of their ownership team as their logo?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 14, 2014, 04:34:34 AM
Syferus, a coach em up job? Stick to watching college if that's your level of intelligence on the NFL. The pats were DESERVEDLY the 2 seed in the AFC. They have been decimated by injuries all season, on both sides of the ball. The pats spotted them a 20 point lead 6 weeks ago, and destroyed them. Man for man on the offensive side of the ball, Denver without doubt have the more talented individuals. Those guys were playing last year when a VERY average Ravens came in and knocked them out of the playoffs! Tom Brady is in the equation as being the best QB of all time, as is Manning. To say they are a coached up team is embarrassing  ::)
As Az says, 1 v 2 in both conferences, only the 49rs were a 5 technically speaking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 14, 2014, 04:34:34 AM
Syferus, a coach em up job? Stick to watching college if that's your level of intelligence on the NFL. The pats were DESERVEDLY the 2 seed in the AFC. They have been decimated by injuries all season, on both sides of the ball. The pats spotted them a 20 point lead 6 weeks ago, and destroyed them. Man for man on the offensive side of the ball, Denver without doubt have the more talented individuals. Those guys were playing last year when a VERY average Ravens came in and knocked them out of the playoffs! Tom Brady is in the equation as being the best QB of all time, as is Manning. To say they are a coached up team is embarrassing  ::)
As Az says, 1 v 2 in both conferences, only the 49rs were a 5 technically speaking.

Get off your high horse.

It's clear as day the Hoodie is the main reason the Patriots are where they are while more talented rosters are sitting at home. You've got Tom Brady; well done. His main receiver is a lad who moonlighted as a DB and still returns punts and had never topped 360 yards, nevermind 1000 yards, in his four seasons until this year. His next target is an equally small receiver who can hardly stay healthy. His main running back is a player the Buccs thought so little of they him go for nothing - a seventh round pick and Jeff Demps.

Vince Wilfork is out for the season; Talib has under-performed for most of the year. Their defence had been as much a liability than a help in recent years. It's a team with a mountain of holes on paper that have been papered over by good coaching. IT shows where quality coaching can take a team. Ask some Pats fans yourself and you'll be bitterly disappointed to find they'll readily admit the same.

" ::) "
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 14, 2014, 03:21:19 PM
Bullshit. Julian Edelman has over  a 100 catches this year. Not Wes Welker, but not that far behind. Talib has been selected to his first pro bowl , must be having a horrible season? You failed to mention, Rob Gronkowski or Jerod Mayo? Ridley is actually the Pats No.1 back , followed by Vereen. Blount is the no 3 back, but is running with a chip on his shoulder, and right now is the " hot hand".
Nobody is saying this is an elite Pats team. The 16-0 had way more talented individuals, but still finished with no SB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 14, 2014, 03:24:24 PM
By the way, searching online to see who the Bucs got for Blount is pathetic, or did you know that off the top of your head?? ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2014, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
It's clear as day the Hoodie is the main reason the Patriots are where they are while more talented rosters are sitting at home.

What's the prize for being talented?

Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
Talib has under-performed for most of the year.

Nonsense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2014, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2014, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
It's clear as day the Hoodie is the main reason the Patriots are where they are while more talented rosters are sitting at home.

What's the prize for being talented?

Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
Talib has under-performed for most of the year.

Nonsense.

Who are more talented and sitting at home, out of curiosity ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 08:40:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2014, 06:52:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2014, 04:41:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
It's clear as day the Hoodie is the main reason the Patriots are where they are while more talented rosters are sitting at home.

What's the prize for being talented?

Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2014, 09:36:37 AM
Talib has under-performed for most of the year.

Nonsense.

Who are more talented and sitting at home, out of curiosity ?

Lions, Saints, Chiefs, hell, even the Eagles have better rosters than the Pats do this year.

BB's mantra is 'next man up'. Nothing I'm saying is particularly controversial. The Pats are BB and they play in his image. With a poorer coach they'd be the Chargers in the Norv Turner era.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 15, 2014, 03:57:13 PM
I love the playoffs. It's a different game when the weather is bad, the officials allow a bit of contact so it's not passing pinball. Running the ball is almost irrelevant in the regular season but it's required in the playoffs if the games are not in domes (personally think no games should be indoors).

It's a much better game when the balance is not skewed towards the offense.

Unreal games this weekend. I'm hoping Seattle win it all but the way the 49ers are playing I think they can overturn the 'hawks. Seattle's defense will struggle with Gore and company on the ground (look what NO did in this area last week) and SF just have better receivers.

I think Denver will do enough to nick it. Home field will be the key. Their defense looks to be hitting form at the right time. Remember this was an elite unit not all that long ago and many ofthe same personnel are involved. I'd never be too confirdent going against Brady and the Hoodie though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 13, 2014, 10:15:31 PM
Hard to like the 9ers after Kaep's antics last night.

Antics? The Superman celebration?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 15, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
No, because he " mocked" Syferus's idol Cams TD celebration. Where did Cam go to college Sy?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2014, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
No, because he " mocked" Syferus's idol Cams TD celebration. Where did Cam go to college Sy?

That's what I mean. Is what Kaepernick did even noteworthy? Dislike a team because one player used another's celebration?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 15, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
No, because he " mocked" Syferus's idol Cams TD celebration. Where did Cam go to college Sy?

Florida

Hope the Niners beat the Seagulls but the Seattle secondary are best in the business and while Kap is good he's be Brees when it comes to the air. The distaste right now between Seattle and Niners is something I haven't seen for a long time, advertising boards and TV adds in each city. Hope Niners can make it two in a row and open the new Stadium as Super Bowl champs.

NE to win the other game. Denver are missing something and their Def just won't hold the Pats O

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on January 15, 2014, 10:15:13 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 15, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
No, because he " mocked" Syferus's idol Cams TD celebration. Where did Cam go to college Sy?

Florida

Hope the Niners beat the Seagulls but the Seattle secondary are best in the business and while Kap is good he's be Brees when it comes to the air. The distaste right now between Seattle and Niners is something I haven't seen for a long time, advertising boards and TV adds in each city. Hope Niners can make it two in a row and open the new Stadium as Super Bowl champs.

NE to win the other game. Denver are missing something and their Def just won't hold the Pats O

Cam went to Auburn too. His da is a dodgy character. Like something from the final season of Friday Night Lights.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 15, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
new show on over here called "Friday Night Tykes" that tracks the prep and games of some underage American football teams. Think these lads are 6-10 years old.
Some shocking insight into it all. Americans really are serious about their sports and see it as a path to professional sport even at 6 years old.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 16, 2014, 02:57:29 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 15, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
No, because he " mocked" Syferus's idol Cams TD celebration. Where did Cam go to college Sy?
rhetorical question. He went to Auburn, which is Sy's fav college team/ alma mater.

Florida

Hope the Niners beat the Seagulls but the Seattle secondary are best in the business and while Kap is good he's be Brees when it comes to the air. The distaste right now between Seattle and Niners is something I haven't seen for a long time, advertising boards and TV adds in each city. Hope Niners can make it two in a row and open the new Stadium as Super Bowl champs.

NE to win the other game. Denver are missing something and their Def just won't hold the Pats O
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 16, 2014, 04:53:40 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 16, 2014, 02:57:29 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 15, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2014, 08:29:57 PM
No, because he " mocked" Syferus's idol Cams TD celebration. Where did Cam go to college Sy?
rhetorical question. He went to Auburn, which is Sy's fav college team/ alma mater.

Florida

Hope the Niners beat the Seagulls but the Seattle secondary are best in the business and while Kap is good he's be Brees when it comes to the air. The distaste right now between Seattle and Niners is something I haven't seen for a long time, advertising boards and TV adds in each city. Hope Niners can make it two in a row and open the new Stadium as Super Bowl champs.

NE to win the other game. Denver are missing something and their Def just won't hold the Pats O

I was saying it tongue in cheek man, I know where the lad spent 1 year in college but he did spend 2 at Florida.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 16, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
Apologies Mr Muck ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 17, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
Gettign very antsy, caddy. If you want to defend Kaep's childish play-acting, be my guest. It'd be fun to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 17, 2014, 07:47:29 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
Gettign very antsy, caddy. If you want to defend Kaep's childish play-acting, be my guest. It'd be fun to watch.

Come on man, its part of the game. There is all sorts of taunting going on during the game on pitch far worse than this. He did it midway through the 3rd Quarter not at the end of the game, so there is no disrespect there, and he didn't mock it. Carolina fans are use to seeing the Superman thing so all he did was do the Superman thing, then say no, button the shirt up and he did the Cam kiss the bicep thing. All he's saying is not today, today you fans will see something else and not the Superman thing.
Newton reacted childish by walking out of the press conference when asked about it, he had over 1 ½ quarters to give an answer and wasn't able to on the field. If it upset Carolina that much then react to it on the field by driving on and showing the Niners up for their QB's antics, not walking out of a press conference after getting it handed to you in your own house.
As I said, if he did this after the game then it's bad form, he did it during the game and Carolina had two ways to react to the during Game taunt – fight back or lie down!

Go Niners!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2014, 08:13:37 AM
Anyone in any way upset with Kaepernick doing the Superman celebration needs their head examined. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 17, 2014, 02:22:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 17, 2014, 08:13:37 AM
Anyone in any way upset with Kaepernick doing the Superman celebration needs their head examined. Jesus wept.

Yeah like - does Newton "own it" or something? Is this the WWE?  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 17, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
Gettign very antsy, caddy. If you want to defend Kaep's childish play-acting, be my guest. It'd be fun to watch.

Kaep will take great heart in knowing Cam will be watching Kaep's "childish play-acting" from his couch on Sunday

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2014, 11:04:35 PM
Impressive by Manning and the Broncos
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 20, 2014, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 17, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
Gettign very antsy, caddy. If you want to defend Kaep's childish play-acting, be my guest. It'd be fun to watch.

Kaep will take great heart in knowing Cam will be watching Kaep's "childish play-acting" from his couch on Sunday

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I think he'll be taking much more heart from Kaep's on-going meltdown.

Superman wants his cape back, Colin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 20, 2014, 02:50:39 AM
Sweet.

Last three drives by the 9ers ended with Kaepernick turnovers. Seattle's going to New Jersey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 20, 2014, 03:16:22 AM
http://youtu.be/yjOkTib5eVQ (http://youtu.be/yjOkTib5eVQ)

Yeah. Good man Syferus.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 20, 2014, 03:22:05 AM
Richard Sherman = tr**p of the highest order.  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 20, 2014, 03:37:39 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 20, 2014, 03:16:22 AM
http://youtu.be/yjOkTib5eVQ (http://youtu.be/yjOkTib5eVQ)

Yeah. Good man Syferus.

Oh, I saw it. Sherman's attitude is rank but at least he backed it up. Kaep is never going to win a ring until he grows up. Couldn't read Seattle at all tonight and even on his lone TD pass there were signs of the impending meltdown. Very average football IQ. Sherman's is off the charts.

Go Broncos. I guess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2014, 07:27:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 20, 2014, 03:37:39 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 20, 2014, 03:16:22 AM
http://youtu.be/yjOkTib5eVQ (http://youtu.be/yjOkTib5eVQ)

Yeah. Good man Syferus.

Oh, I saw it. Sherman's attitude is rank but at least he backed it up. Kaep is never going to win a ring until he grows up. Couldn't read Seattle at all tonight and even on his lone TD pass there were signs of the impending meltdown. Very average football IQ. Sherman's is off the charts.

Go Broncos. I guess.

Jesus the bitterness runs deep, doesn't it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
What's the problem guys? There's a serious amount of trash talking going both ways. Sherman is noted for it but he is not the only one and he usually backs it up. A few moments after the biggest win of his career and he mouths off a bit - so what? Emotions running high. That guy has a chip on his shoulder. He has had to to come from Compton to where he is now.

I guess ye would all prefer him to say how much he admires the 49ers organisation and respects them blah-dee-blah???!!!!!

Two great encounters though Denver should have been more comfortable at the end. Denver's defense stepped up like I expected and 500 yards of offense should have ended up with more points. Hopefully people will can all this "Peyton choking" nonsense - Brady missed a lot of throws last night. In truth I thought Seattle wouldn't do it without Harvin to loosen up the running lanes a little but they that 40 yard TD of Lynch's changed everything. Some defense too obviously. Initial thoughts are that Manning and co will just have too much provided the weather isn't too windy and wet. Really looking forward to it though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2014, 12:36:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
What's the problem guys? There's a serious amount of trash talking going both ways. Sherman is noted for it but he is not the only one and he usually backs it up. A few moments after the biggest win of his career and he mouths off a bit - so what? Emotions running high. That guy has a chip on his shoulder. He has had to to come from Compton to where he is now.

I guess ye would all prefer him to say how much he admires the 49ers organisation and respects them blah-dee-blah???!!!!!

Two great encounters though Denver should have been more comfortable at the end. Denver's defense stepped up like I expected and 500 yards of offense should have ended up with more points. Hopefully people will can all this "Peyton choking" nonsense - Brady missed a lot of throws last night. In truth I thought Seattle wouldn't do it without Harvin to loosen up the running lanes a little but they that 40 yard TD of Lynch's changed everything. Some defense too obviously. Initial thoughts are that Manning and co will just have too much provided the weather isn't too windy and wet. Really looking forward to it though.

I tuned in about halfway through Q2 having come back from Belfast and Manning had thrown for abut 140. Six plays and six completions later he'd gone past 200 to set up another TD. Losing Talib was massive for the Patriots.

As for Sherman, he's no different to any brash star. Talks a lot of trash, is generally quite entertaining and then goes out and performs. A bit of a pantomime villain. It appeared at the end that the Crabtree incident ignited after he offered a handshake (no idea whether this in itself was mocking or sincere) and Crabtree pushed him away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 20, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
He ran up behind him and slapped his ass. That's when Crabtree pushed him away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2014, 01:44:57 PM
Sherman is probably embarrassed this morning. He was much circumspect five minutes later when he'd calmed down and the emotions had subsided..


Fantastic player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 20, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
He's a big unit the hoor. I can't warm to the Seahawks at all though. I'm an NFC guy, but I think I'll be hoping Payton gets #2 on Sunday week. I can't abide the thoughts of Pete Carroll celebrating on the sideline.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2014, 02:13:36 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 20, 2014, 01:37:52 PM
He ran up behind him and slapped his ass. That's when Crabtree pushed him away.

He patted him on the arse and extended his hand for a hanshake - whehther he was mouthing or not at the same time I don't know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on January 20, 2014, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
He's a big unit the hoor. I can't warm to the Seahawks at all though. I'm an NFC guy, but I think I'll be hoping Payton gets #2 on Sunday week. I can't abide the thoughts of Pete Carroll celebrating on the sideline.

Share those sentiments. Have a disliking for the Seahawks, due to the coach, Sherman & Earl Thomas.
Gonna make for a great Superbowl, hope the weather doesn't affect it. Looking forward to seeing a great passing team against a great secondary...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on January 20, 2014, 03:03:52 PM
There is a definite dislike among most on the board here for the seahawks. They have a fantastic D but I just find it very hard to warm to them.

Hope peyton can pick his way through them next weekend and land his 2nd ring
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 20, 2014, 04:31:03 PM
Not sure why people find it hard to warm to Seattle. They have a few loud mouthed, outspoken hot headed black athletes. Sherman earns less than $600K per year to Peyton Manning's $15 million. To see Seattle evolve as a relatively young team, with one of the lowest salary payouts in the league and make it to the Superbowl as the #1 ranked team in the country is something to behold. Yes the coach gets up to antics, yes the players don't think before they speak but from a purely football perspective, from an exciting game perspective that was one of the craziest 2nd halfs I have seen in playoff football in 4-5 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 04:44:48 PM
I like the Seahawks. Have no idea what Pete Carroll did at college level to piss so many people off but he's no more demonstrative than his opposite number last night. He hasn't been caught cheating like the universally revered Belichick has he? Sherman is the first player from Compton to play in the NFL. His road can't have been an easy one. Look at the kudos other coaches get (Belichick) for rehabiliating players (Blount last week). Marshawn Lynch was before joke when he went to Seattle. Always had huge potential but was 3rd choice at the Bills.

Finding it hard to decide who I want to win the Superbowl. Really like Peyton Manning as well and lets be honest - he deserves more than 1 SB ring (though if I had my way he wouldn't have got that one!).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2014, 05:08:58 PM
While I like him, Sherman got off a PED suspension a technicality, for which I imagine a number of people would never, understandably, forgive him.

Just hope best team on the day wins - Manning deserves another ring but of course has to earn it. Seattle to win withsuch a young team and payroll would be incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 04:44:48 PMHave no idea what Pete Carroll did at college level to piss so many people off but he's no more demonstrative than his opposite number last night. He hasn't been caught cheating like the universally revered Belichick has he?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/14/pete-carroll-admits-that-as-to-reggie-bush-something-happened/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 04:44:48 PMHave no idea what Pete Carroll did at college level to piss so many people off but he's no more demonstrative than his opposite number last night. He hasn't been caught cheating like the universally revered Belichick has he?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/14/pete-carroll-admits-that-as-to-reggie-bush-something-happened/

Not near as bad as what the Patriots did in my book.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 20, 2014, 06:25:50 PM
Nice to know the biggest dickhead in the NFl is out of seattle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2014, 06:40:08 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2014, 05:46:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 20, 2014, 04:44:48 PMHave no idea what Pete Carroll did at college level to piss so many people off but he's no more demonstrative than his opposite number last night. He hasn't been caught cheating like the universally revered Belichick has he?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/14/pete-carroll-admits-that-as-to-reggie-bush-something-happened/

USC's crime was getting caught. The NCAA is rife with that kind of thing. Look at Syferus's best bud Cam Newton's recruitment to Auburn for example. Happens all the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 20, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
Thats a bit lame boys to be honest. Seattle are hated because someone under Pete Carrol was caught receiving money/gifts?
Are all these lads on draft night born with the designer suits and gold chains they are adorned with?
They are all receiving money/gifts from teams and other colleges. Its the game.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 21, 2014, 12:16:28 AM
Best Defense won on the night, as I said in a post before the game the Seattle secondary are the best in the business. To be fair to Kap he has a very weak receiving corp. so that needs to be taken into consideration. Two old guys and a unproven player just back from injury. Two big areas of concern last year were their secondary and their wide receivers, they fixed one last offseason and hopefully get the other fixed this offseason. Anyone questioning Kap's ability should look at the full picture and his record, a Super Bowl appearance and a Conf Championship game in 1.5 seasons, measure that against guys that haven't won a playoff game. The first half was the Kap show running up 100 yards, a lot of the 2nd half issues were down to poor receivers and the best secondary in the business. Best of luck to Seattle but I can't shout for a Pete Carroll team. Sherman I understand and it gives him a big edge in a game. Carroll should have been punished like USC were punished, when the heat came on he headed for the NFL - sc**bag!

Was hoping I'd get to see the Niners raise a Superbowl banner on opening night in the new Stadium, hopefully they can make an appearance at Superbowl 50!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 03:36:22 AM
Magpie Seany, Carroll did cheat, last year ! Sherman and Brandon Browner both were caught using adderall last year. One appealed , the other didn't, thus ensuing that there was ZERO chance of losing them both at the same time. Don't tell me that Pete Carroll didn't know they were on it. Sherman got off on a technicality similar to what got Ryan Braun off, see how that finished up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2014, 09:56:30 AM
No-one got anything to say about Belichick's disgraceful comments about Welker?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2014, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 03:36:22 AM
Magpie Seany, Carroll did cheat, last year ! Sherman and Brandon Browner both were caught using adderall last year. One appealed , the other didn't, thus ensuing that there was ZERO chance of losing them both at the same time. Don't tell me that Pete Carroll didn't know they were on it. Sherman got off on a technicality similar to what got Ryan Braun off, see how that finished up.

How do you know he did know they were on it? I have no idea whether he did or didn't know.

As for the USC inducements thing - I don't really follow college football but I read Walter Payton's biography and picked up a few bits of info over the years and it's pretty clear the NCAA rules on amateurism are more abused than even the GAA's! If Pete Carroll is the only person to blame for that then I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 21, 2014, 05:06:53 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 20, 2014, 07:05:14 PM
Thats a bit lame boys to be honest. Seattle are hated because someone under Pete Carrol was caught receiving money/gifts?
Are all these lads on draft night born with the designer suits and gold chains they are adorned with?
They are all receiving money/gifts from teams and other colleges. Its the game.
Its not because of Carroll I have a dislike for them. Its because their defense are a bunch of mouthy hoors who play border line to the rules on every play knowing the refs cant flag them every time.
I cant stand this 12th man shite either. Yes its loud, but I would say the crowd cause the refs to make more errors than the opposition QB.
Every team gets home town decisions but Seattle get more than the average. Look at last Sunday, running into the punter, Whitner flagged on a shoulder to shoulder hit, Bowman stripping ball when he got injured. All terrible decisions. And it took the an age for them to finally flag Wilson for grounding.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Really Seany? You aren't sure if the head coach knew about this? Let me give you the answer. Dam sure he knew about it. In regards to USC, simply put, he bailed on a sinking ship. He knew 100% what was coming down , and got the f**k out of dodge...
Bellichick was right, Welker cleaned out Talib on an illegal hit, that wasn't flagged.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 21, 2014, 05:15:23 PM
What should Pete Caroll have done? What would make it right in everyone's eyes?
I don't get the mentality of people sometimes. Go down with a sinking ship? Or avoid disaster and take an opportunity in the NFL..... I think I know what everyone of you would do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
I don't like Carroll because of his stupid smug face
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 06:02:35 PM
USC 's football program got hammered, as did Reggie Bush. Carroll walked away with zero sanctions. Why would anyone walk away from what as at the time, unequivocally college footballs best job? He was in his 50,s , and had already failed as a head coach in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 21, 2014, 06:20:58 PM
This superbowl gona be one-sided, people give seattle a game chance , but they dont excately set the world on fire outside seattle, Denver Broncos have been the strongest team in the states past 2 years and missed out the superbowl last yr after champ bailey stumbled. Denver have a strong defence and serious fire power up front, they have way too much for Seattle, but expect a great game though, Superbowls tend not to be overly great games after 2 clinkers with last minute winning touch downs, 4/5yrs back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2014, 07:38:03 PM
It was Rahim Moore, not Champ who stumbled last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2014, 07:41:33 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 06:02:35 PM
USC 's football program got hammered, as did Reggie Bush. Carroll walked away with zero sanctions. Why would anyone walk away from what as at the time, unequivocally college footballs best job? He was in his 50,s , and had already failed as a head coach in the NFL.

I'm sure he was terribly upset with being officially stripped of the Heisman when picking up a Superbowl and two subsequent contracts. Reggie didn't get touched.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Maybe not financially. His legacy at USC was though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 21, 2014, 08:52:45 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Maybe not financially. His legacy at USC was though.

that's a bit like saying he was really badly injured. His pride was hurt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2014, 09:07:17 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 08:03:04 PM
Maybe not financially. His legacy at USC was though.

USC won the title and Reggie Bush won the Heisman. Whether the NCAA officially recognises it or not is moot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on January 21, 2014, 09:21:41 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2014, 05:45:05 PM
I don't like Carroll because of his stupid smug face
+1
I got not clue about what he did or didnt do as a college coach, but I can't stand the chap. A face you'd love to slap.
Still glad they won. I generally like the Seattle team, and I don't like the Niners coach either, but I'll be shouting for the Broncos on Sunday week
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Really Seany? You aren't sure if the head coach knew about this? Let me give you the answer. Dam sure he knew about it. In regards to USC, simply put, he bailed on a sinking ship. He knew 100% what was coming down , and got the f**k out of dodge...
Bellichick was right, Welker cleaned out Talib on an illegal hit, that wasn't flagged.

Belichick said it was deliberate play to take the player outand "one of the worst plays I've ever seen". If you think he is correct you are away with the fairies. Belichick said this calmly at a press conference the following day, not in the heat of the moment like Sherman's rant. It was a despicable allegation which is clearly untrue. It was an accidental collision and was not a penalty either as the ball was hitting Demaryius Thomas' hands as this happened.

If Denver were going to get someone to take Talib out maybe they could have used someone bigger or someone who hasn't a big history of (recent) concussions? Ridiculous.

As for the suggestion that Pete Carroll should have stayed at USC to take his punishment - you must be completely mad!!! Nobody would do that - why should they??? That's like saying Reggie Bush should have turned down his NFL contracts or stopped playing when the facts came to light. Again - ridiculous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 22, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 20, 2013, 03:18:19 AM
A few thoughts after watching a few of the games from last weekend.
That was a really bad beating San Fran took from Seattle and I don't fancy their chances of reversing it next time, even at home. If Wilson had been on his passing game, the score would have been embarrassing. San Fran's offensive and defensive lines were hammered, their receivers couldn't get an inch and Gore got nothing either. The 49ers best receiver Boldin, made his first catch late on, when the game was over. Richard Sherman had the beating of him all day. The only time the 49ers looked a bit dangerous was when Kappernick stopped minding himself and started running. I'd say if they met in the playoffs we'd see a lot more of that and that in turn might create more opportunities for Gore and the receivers. I can't see them beating Seattle if Kapp stays in the pocket, even though he's a brilliant passer. His targets are struggling to get open against this defense. I know it's only 1 game but it raised a lot of serious questions about this 49ers team.

Seattle are 1 powerful team and their running game is close to unstoppable. Themselves and Denver look way ahead of the rest.

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Good call back in Sept.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 22, 2014, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Really Seany? You aren't sure if the head coach knew about this? Let me give you the answer. Dam sure he knew about it. In regards to USC, simply put, he bailed on a sinking ship. He knew 100% what was coming down , and got the f**k out of dodge...
Bellichick was right, Welker cleaned out Talib on an illegal hit, that wasn't flagged.

Belichick said it was deliberate play to take the player outand "one of the worst plays I've ever seen". If you think he is correct you are away with the fairies. Belichick said this calmly at a press conference the following day, not in the heat of the moment like Sherman's rant. It was a despicable allegation which is clearly untrue. It was an accidental collision and was not a penalty either as the ball was hitting Demaryius Thomas' hands as this happened.

If Denver were going to get someone to take Talib out maybe they could have used someone bigger or someone who hasn't a big history of (recent) concussions? Ridiculous.

As for the suggestion that Pete Carroll should have stayed at USC to take his punishment - you must be completely mad!!! Nobody would do that - why should they??? That's like saying Reggie Bush should have turned down his NFL contracts or stopped playing when the facts came to light. Again - ridiculous.
Accidental collision ? Are you blind? It was a CLEAR pick play. 100% a penalty and was acknowledged as much by EVERY analyst after the game. Pete Carroll was involved or knew of everything that happened at USC. He faced zero sanctions, regardless  of where he went afterwards. You are ridiculous if you don't think that Carroll knew his DBs were juicing in Seattle last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 22, 2014, 12:39:09 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 22, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 20, 2013, 03:18:19 AM
A few thoughts after watching a few of the games from last weekend.
That was a really bad beating San Fran took from Seattle and I don't fancy their chances of reversing it next time, even at home. If Wilson had been on his passing game, the score would have been embarrassing. San Fran's offensive and defensive lines were hammered, their receivers couldn't get an inch and Gore got nothing either. The 49ers best receiver Boldin, made his first catch late on, when the game was over. Richard Sherman had the beating of him all day. The only time the 49ers looked a bit dangerous was when Kappernick stopped minding himself and started running. I'd say if they met in the playoffs we'd see a lot more of that and that in turn might create more opportunities for Gore and the receivers. I can't see them beating Seattle if Kapp stays in the pocket, even though he's a brilliant passer. His targets are struggling to get open against this defense. I know it's only 1 game but it raised a lot of serious questions about this 49ers team.

Seattle are 1 powerful team and their running game is close to unstoppable. Themselves and Denver look way ahead of the rest.

.

Good call back in Sept.
they were the fav and 2nd favs in September ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 22, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
I'm not suggesting Carroll stay at at sinking ship but I think he should have been equally hit by a ban on coaching in college or the NFL for a few years. He knew all what was going on but instead all the player there 3-4 years later at USC still can't play in a Bowl. Not all coaches are at it, Harbaugh was clean at Stanford and he's been clean in the NFL. I'd be really surprised if there was any underhanded going on at Stanford such is their recruit standard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 22, 2014, 04:28:11 PM
So why did and does Pete C know about everything going on and some other coaches don't? Oh yeah because you don't like the look of him.
And he should have been sanctioned or fined like everyone else but he wasn't - which is his fault not the controlling body because you don't like the look of him.

Go hawks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2014, 04:31:52 PM
I don't like Pete Carroll because I think a) He actively propagated the abuses at USC, but more importantly,b) I just think he acts like a knob and I don't like the big chawy head on him.

Of course, I am a Cardinals fan and that must be factored in when considering the rationality of my dislike of Carroll. :)


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2014, 11:04:13 PM
NFL head of refs said Welker hit on Talib was "a legal play".

Good article on the "pick" play, it's a tough one for refs to differentiate.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/15/new-england-patriots-denver-broncos-afc-championship-game-pick-plays/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on January 23, 2014, 02:40:45 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 22, 2014, 12:37:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2014, 05:12:54 PM
Really Seany? You aren't sure if the head coach knew about this? Let me give you the answer. Dam sure he knew about it. In regards to USC, simply put, he bailed on a sinking ship. He knew 100% what was coming down , and got the f**k out of dodge...
Bellichick was right, Welker cleaned out Talib on an illegal hit, that wasn't flagged.

Belichick said it was deliberate play to take the player outand "one of the worst plays I've ever seen". If you think he is correct you are away with the fairies. Belichick said this calmly at a press conference the following day, not in the heat of the moment like Sherman's rant. It was a despicable allegation which is clearly untrue. It was an accidental collision and was not a penalty either as the ball was hitting Demaryius Thomas' hands as this happened.

If Denver were going to get someone to take Talib out maybe they could have used someone bigger or someone who hasn't a big history of (recent) concussions? Ridiculous.

As for the suggestion that Pete Carroll should have stayed at USC to take his punishment - you must be completely mad!!! Nobody would do that - why should they??? That's like saying Reggie Bush should have turned down his NFL contracts or stopped playing when the facts came to light. Again - ridiculous.
Accidental collision ? Are you blind? It was a CLEAR pick play. 100% a penalty and was acknowledged as much by EVERY analyst after the game. Pete Carroll was involved or knew of everything that happened at USC. He faced zero sanctions, regardless  of where he went afterwards. You are ridiculous if you don't think that Carroll knew his DBs were juicing in Seattle last year.

Dont know what analysts you were listening to mate, but on NFL.com the next day, 90% of the people said it was accidental? why the hell would you use someone so small to take out Talib??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2014, 10:26:52 AM
By the way, I'm listening on audio books to 'The Last Headbangers' which is about the 1970s NFL, and it goes back a bit to the foundation of the NFL. I hadn't realised but there are only 2 original teams left from when George Halas started the whole thing in 1920. The Bears, which was Halas' team (They wear Orange and Navy because Halas went to U of Illinois, and still wear GSH on their sleeves), and the Cardinals. And the Cardinals are the only ones that still bear the original name. The Bears were originally the Decatur Staleys.

Another interesting side note, if you've played football in San Francisco and played in Keyzar Stadium there, you are treading the ground of the old 49ers :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2014, 10:58:06 AM
The Brother is on his honeymoon at the moment, and is on the way to Hawaii, and he's heading to the Pro Bowl on Sunday. I know it's only a glorified challenge match, but to be able to see all them lads in the one place would be great. The bastard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on January 24, 2014, 11:02:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 24, 2014, 10:58:06 AM
The Brother is on his honeymoon at the moment, and is on the way to Hawaii, and he's heading to the Pro Bowl on Sunday. I know it's only a glorified challenge match, but to be able to see all them lads in the one place would be great. The b**tard.

Lucky lucky man. That would be ideal as you may never get to an NFL game. Has anyone been to any of the Wembley games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2014, 11:09:52 AM
Yeah, we've been to a few. I'm an ex-season ticket holder of the Cardinals as well from my time in Arizona. The brother would have seen a couple there as a young lad, and a few of the Wembley games.

One of my favourite sporting memories is that I saw Steve Young's last TD Pass to Jerry Rice on a Monday Night Football game in Arizona. Young was creeled by Aneas Williams on a corner blitz and got concussed shortly afterwards. Young never played again.

The reason I remember it is because it was a game I saw Young and Rice combine for a TD, even though I was a Cardinals fan. The Pro Bowl will have a plethora of those star names.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 24, 2014, 11:22:30 AM
How do season tickets work in the NFL? Do you pay up front to go to all the matches like in English soccer or are you a member who gets first refusal?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2014, 11:24:36 AM
You pay up front. (Or at least I did). You can play in installments though. The Season ticket package includes 2 Pre-Season games, and you don't have the option to avoid them. Basically your season ticket gives you 2 pre-season games and 8 regular season games. You also get preference to purchase post season tickets if the team is hosting a game.

Various teams also do these game packs where you can buy mini season tickets for 2 or 3 games. 1 will be a popular game (say the Cowboys at home) and the others might be the Rams and the Jaguars or whatever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 24, 2014, 11:45:21 AM
By the way, for those who don't know, this year the Pro Bowl has a different format. It used to be the pick of the AFC versus the pick of the NFC. This year they appointed two honorary captains, Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders, and they picked their team in a draft, like fantasy football.

The results of the draft are

Team Rice

QBs - Brees (Saints), Rivers (Chargers), Smith (Chiefs)
RBs - McCoy (Eagles), Forte (Bears), Murray (Cowboys)
FB - Tolbert (Panthers)
WRs - Marshall (Bears), Gordon (Browns), Fitzgerald (Cardinals), Jeffrey (Bears)
TEs - Graham (Saints), Gonzalez (Falcons)
OT - Thomas (Browns), Smith (Cowboys), Gross (Panthers)
C - Kalil (Panthers), Mangold (Jets)
OG - Evans (Saints), Grubbs (Saints), Mathis (Eagles)

DE - Quinn (Rams), Jordan (Saints), Wake (Dolphins)
DT - Williams (Bills), Dareus (Bills), Hatcher (Cowboys)
OLB - Mathis (Colts), Houston (Chiefs), Abraham (Cardinals)
ILB - Burfict (Bengals), Johnson (Chiefs)
CB - Verner (Titans), Haden (Browns), Flowers (Chiefs), Cromartie (Jets)
S - Byrd (Bills), Reid (49ers), Rolle (Giants)

K - Gostkowski (Patriots)
P - Hekker (Rams)
PR - McCluster (Chiefs)
ST - Bethel (Cardinals)
LS Overton (Colts)

Team Sanders

QBs - Newton (Panthers), Luck (Colts), Foles (Eagles)
RBs - Charles (Chiefs), Lacy (Packers), Morris (Redskins)
FB - Reece (Raiders)
WRs - Green (Bengals), Bryant (Cowboys), Brown (Steelers), Jackson (Eagles)
TEs - Cameron (Browns), Witten (Cowboys)
OTs - Albert (Chiefs), Williams (Redskins), Brown (Texans)
C - Pouncey (Dolphins), Mack (Browns)
OGs - Mankins (Patriots), Yanda (Ravens), Long (Bears)

DEs - Watt (Texans), Williams (Bills), Hardy (Panthers)
DTs - Poe (Chiefs), Suh (Lions), McCoy (Buccaneers)
OLBs - Hali (Chiefs), Suggs (Ravens), Orakpo (Redskins)
ILBs - Kuechly (Panthers), Posluszny (Jaguars)
CBs - Peterson (Cardinals), Revis (Buccaneers), Grimes (Dolphins), Jennings (Bears)
S - Berry (Chiefs), Weddle (Chargers), Ward (Browns)

K - Tucker (Ravens)
P - Fields (Dolphins)
PR - Patterson (Vikings)
ST - Slater (Patriots)
LS - Janson (Panthers)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on January 24, 2014, 12:04:56 PM
I fell in love with the game after we got Sky into the house about 10 years ago. After watching for a few weeks I developed a soft spot for the Saints. Deuce mcallister rumbling up the middle and joe horn out wide, I don't know why I liked them but I did. Had a poor couple of seasons around that time, think only 2 or 3 wins in 05 or something but things turned around after that when we got Brees. I would love to get to a game some time. I wouldn't be much into the college scene but it would be something I would like to see more of

I would actually love to get the chance to work and live in America tbh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 28, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
Just saw the latest weather reports for the Superbowl, potentially -10 degrees at Metlife and a foot of snow!! ???

Hope it does nt  affect the game too badly but you have to imagine it will restrict Peyton's passing game to some extent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 28, 2014, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: TabClear on January 28, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
Just saw the latest weather reports for the Superbowl, potentially -10 degrees at Metlife and a foot of snow!! ???

Hope it does nt  affect the game too badly but you have to imagine it will restrict Peyton's passing game to some extent.

I think the wind or rain is much more of a problem for passing the ball than the cold. It should be a very tight contest of contrasting styles. I can't wait.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 28, 2014, 11:09:01 PM
6.30pm est
11.30 pm for the muck savages back home...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 28, 2014, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 28, 2014, 11:05:47 PM
I love jumping on the Super Bowl bandwagon. It's the only game of NFL I watch all year.
Will it be on at a more reasonable time as the time difference isn't as great?

It's at the same time as usual, 11.25pm Irish time. I'm afraid they don't consider us when setting the time. That's 3.25pm in Seattle - it wouldn't want to be any earlier to be fair.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 29, 2014, 06:56:46 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 28, 2014, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: TabClear on January 28, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
Just saw the latest weather reports for the Superbowl, potentially -10 degrees at Metlife and a foot of snow!! ???

Hope it does nt  affect the game too badly but you have to imagine it will restrict Peyton's passing game to some extent.

I think the wind or rain is much more of a problem for passing the ball than the cold. It should be a very tight contest of contrasting styles. I can't wait.

obviously a wet ball is a different issue but those type of temperatures make the ball harder so it's more likely to fly on the qb, so expect more overthrows than normal. Also harder to catch a cold, hard ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Worker on February 02, 2014, 06:07:03 PM
Any tips for tonight's game ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2014, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: The Worker on February 02, 2014, 06:07:03 PM
Any tips for tonight's game ?

Aye I know, have a few  pound left in the account
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
Just in case it's a drab affair, I'm all geared up to play Super Bowl Bingo.  Cards can be found on cleveland.com in the "Sports" pull-down menu.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: CorkMan on February 02, 2014, 09:08:25 PM
Any streams for tonight's game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballela-angel on February 02, 2014, 09:22:48 PM
You should be able to pick it up on the network stream - I didn't check but try the Fox Sports home page
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hereiam on February 02, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
Sat down to watch the super bowl on channel 4 and they have that p***k colin murray hosting it. Just ruined my sunday night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2014, 10:47:28 PM
Quote from: Hereiam on February 02, 2014, 10:46:14 PM
Sat down to watch the super bowl on channel 4 and they have that p***k colin murray hosting it. Just ruined my sunday night.

He's done it for past few years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: theskull1 on February 02, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
He doesn't annoy me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: BartSimpson on February 02, 2014, 10:55:00 PM
Can't see beyond Bronco for this and record setting Manning to be the main man

wont stay up 4 it tho. Well, not all of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on February 02, 2014, 11:10:44 PM
Hopefully no power delays like last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:19:12 PM
Seahawks by 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2014, 11:20:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:19:12 PM
Seahawks by 7

Good price for that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:23:18 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1939314-super-bowl-xlviii-predictions-bleacher-reports-expert-consensus-picks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 02, 2014, 11:24:09 PM
Seahawks by 4, although I hope they are stuffed.
I have $100 parlay , Seattle +2.5 and the under 47.5
Just over 5/2:)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on February 02, 2014, 11:26:20 PM
At least I know now it isn't just in Healy Pk where they ruin a good national anthem by making it an opera aria.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Same attendance as Croke but it seems much bigger. Spose Yanks are bigger like.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2014, 11:31:21 PM
Quote from: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:27:43 PM
Same attendance as Croke but it seems much bigger. Spose Yanks are bigger like.

More compact looking
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:32:14 PM
Manning to be sacked first drive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 02, 2014, 11:34:29 PM
Thought i had the wrong channel there and turned over to Blackhawk down, oops sorry its the superbowl after all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:34:49 PM
Some bets ruined there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2014, 11:35:20 PM
That was unreal!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 02, 2014, 11:37:42 PM
Starting by giving up a safety. The very first play of the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ross4life on February 02, 2014, 11:38:12 PM
Hard to believe its almost 20 years since ROI bet Italy in what is the car park of this stadium now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:41:23 PM
Terence Knighten in some shape.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2014, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2014, 11:38:57 PM
The look on Manning's coupon as it went over him. ;D

Would make a good gif.

Had a bit of the Phil Jones about it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:51:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2014, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: hardstation on February 02, 2014, 11:38:57 PM
The look on Manning's coupon as it went over him. ;D

Would make a good gif.

Had a bit of the Phil Jones about it!

https://twitter.com/NFLTalkRT/status/430124697519656960/photo/1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2014, 11:53:38 PM
Seahawks are well pumped up for this
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:55:12 PM
Bruno feckin Mars
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 02, 2014, 11:59:10 PM
Reckon Geezer would make a good QB. McKeever one of the big hoors in defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 03, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
I've never understood the point of the conversion or whatever it's called in America.

It's just a handy shot. Do they ever miss?

Hardly ever, there is talk of doing away with it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:05:08 AM
I think 4 misses all season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:06:01 AM
There were 1,191 extra-point tries during the 2013 regular season, and four misses, all of which were blocked, one each by Chicago, Jacksonville, Cincinnati and Detroit.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:08:40 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 03, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
I've never understood the point of the conversion or whatever it's called in America.

It's just a handy shot. Do they ever miss?

Hardly ever, there is talk of doing away with it.
And do what?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:10:18 AM
http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-nfl-extra-point-20140122,0,4064470.story#axzz2sDFuQ6B0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:11:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:08:40 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 03, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
I've never understood the point of the conversion or whatever it's called in America.

It's just a handy shot. Do they ever miss?

Hardly ever, there is talk of doing away with it.
And do what?

Just two point conversion & also talk of pushing it further back so it's not a chip shot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:12:00 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 03, 2014, 12:09:55 AM
Nothing....

Quote from: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:11:10 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:08:40 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: hardstation on February 03, 2014, 12:03:21 AM
I've never understood the point of the conversion or whatever it's called in America.

It's just a handy shot. Do they ever miss?

Hardly ever, there is talk of doing away with it.
And do what?

Just two point conversion & also talk of pushing it further back so it's not a chip shot.

That's a better explanation Minder
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:12:07 AM
Seahawks defence ruthless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:16:23 AM
Seahawks could have been out of sight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2014, 12:24:35 AM
Thats the worst i have seen Denver play this year, 15 nil down not good, they look very jittery, Seattle playing well considering big Lynch has been going nowhere except back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2014, 12:25:17 AM
Percy Harvin is a serious weapon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:26:05 AM
1 rushing yard for Denver.....Manning needs to take a back seat?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:26:54 AM
Lynch was 5/1 for first touchdown, Seahawks can't throw it away from here. Manning is dreadful
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 03, 2014, 12:36:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:12:07 AM
Seahawks defence ruthless.

Hells kitchen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on February 03, 2014, 12:39:27 AM
Fairly one sided..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:40:35 AM
Bed early, this one is done and dusted!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:40:56 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:40:35 AM
Bed early, this one is done and dusted!!

+1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: give her dixie on February 03, 2014, 12:42:05 AM
https://twitter.com/liberalease/status/430136638992183296/photo/1

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 12:42:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2014, 12:40:35 AM
Bed early, this one is done and dusted!!

But Bruno Mars might have a wardrobe malfunction.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2014, 12:43:09 AM
Wouldnt really blame Manning, serious pressure been put on him with pass rushing, 22 nil, looks all over, though Ravens got out to  a big lead to and 49ers pullen it back to a couple
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 03, 2014, 12:45:06 AM
The Seahawks are running away with it now. 22-0 lead and they get the ball first in the second half. ............now Denver fumble the kick off.......under review.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2014, 12:45:54 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 03, 2014, 12:45:06 AM
The Seahawks are running away with it now. 22-0 lead and they get the ball first in the second half. ............now Denver fumble the kick off.......under review.

They will get it back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2014, 12:47:37 AM
This is orgasmic! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: give her dixie on February 03, 2014, 12:49:50 AM
It's like watching the Denver teams of long ago in the Super Bowl.

Fair play to Seattle though, they are playing very well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on February 03, 2014, 12:50:19 AM
 Floyd Mayweather will be sick,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2014, 01:04:18 AM
Time for bed i think, 22-0 Nil no coming back there, I know Brady turned over a 21pt  diff, early in the year but all the denver broncos are playing very poorly, No passes to decker, none to the tight end Thomas, cant get the run going, offense linemen giving no protection to Manning, Manning Himself rushing the plays trying to make it happen resulting in 2 poor interceptions, Seahawks playing great defence but not overly great either offensive wise, Unless broncos have a overall at half time, this could be a wash out to (on paper) the best offensive team ever
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2014, 01:32:04 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 03, 2014, 12:25:17 AM
Percy Harvin is a serious weapon.

Percy Harvin is a serious weapon!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 03, 2014, 01:34:06 AM
Did anyone see this happening??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 03, 2014, 01:35:13 AM
Yeah, Puck.  He was on the bench on my fantasy teams all year, and now he shows up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 01:35:44 AM
Not this scoreline but Seahawks the best side since Sept.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 03, 2014, 01:35:51 AM
Game over now.

Manning's face on the first play is a gif and a half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: give her dixie on February 03, 2014, 01:36:11 AM
Some start to both half's
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2014, 01:38:55 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 03, 2014, 01:34:06 AM
Did anyone see this happening??

Scoreline no, but recent history shows the best defense usually wins in these games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 03, 2014, 01:45:35 AM
C'mon, Syf, that's not the true blue and orange Auburn (or Denver) spirit!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 03, 2014, 01:47:27 AM
Chancellor is superb ... MVP?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 03, 2014, 02:03:12 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 03, 2014, 01:45:35 AM
C'mon, Syf, that's not the true blue and orange Auburn (or Denver) spirit!

Auburn turn up when the heat's on, Manning seems to crumble. A sour, sour note to end such a great season. The question marks about Manning's play-off record remain and have been enhanced by such an abject performance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on February 03, 2014, 02:05:08 AM
Humiliating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 03, 2014, 02:06:16 AM
It is still only one Superbowl for Manning. His legacy will suffer because of results like this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 03, 2014, 02:34:05 AM
Gotta feel for Welker too...... 3 and 0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 03, 2014, 02:53:34 AM
Syferus , hardly an abject performance. He had no protection all night long. Not his best, but far from abject...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 03, 2014, 03:02:25 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 03, 2014, 02:53:34 AM
Syferus , hardly an abject performance. He had no protection all night long. Not his best, but far from abject...

Fumbles, terrible interceptions that missed their marks by miles, the first snap alone was incredibly poor from any QB, let alone from a HOFer in the first play of the Super Bowl. The line wasn't great but my God if Manning didn't look small tonight. He wasn't even a shadow of the player he had been all year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 03, 2014, 03:19:09 AM
The first snap? Are you serious? The center CLEARLY snapped the ball early, whilst Manning was still barking out coverages. Interceptions that missed by miles? Lol. Ever hear of getting your arm hit whilst throwing?? Ball probably won't go were it was intended.... ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 03, 2014, 03:35:26 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 03, 2014, 03:19:09 AM
The first snap? Are you serious? The center CLEARLY snapped the ball early, whilst Manning was still barking out coverages. Interceptions that missed by miles? Lol. Ever hear of getting your arm hit whilst throwing?? Ball probably won't go were it was intended.... ::)

So you're saying the center would have snapped the ball if he knew Manning was going to the line to bark out more US state names? Manning tried to alter the play far too late in the pre-snap progression. Mis-communication is mis-communication and you can't just blanket all the blame on the center. Manning had a very poor day and was bullied mentally by the Seahawks, something he usually does to defenses. Never settled and the final proof is the score-line - 42-8.

The questions about Manning on the big stage remain.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 03, 2014, 03:50:17 AM
Syferus- yer heads a marley
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 03, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
That was without doubt the oddest strangest weirdest game I have ever seen at pro level.

Denver could get nothing right, yet Manning ends up with the most completions of any QB in a Super Bowl, the Nose Tackle was fantastic, Welker most catches in a SB. Demaryius Thomas went missing, along with the Offensive Line and the TEs. Penalties, dropped passes, special team mishaps, a safety on the first play, it was like the entire denver playing and coaching staff bet on seahawks by 20, but figured there were 3 guys not to tell...

Seattle's Offense did next to nothing but it was enough. The Seattle D was absolutely astonishing, every single tackle, every single block, every rush, first class, I have never seen anything like the execution by any D before. fantastic. Drive determination and just would not quit, even when the game was long out of Denver's reach the still went 100% on everything. Exceptional
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
Was a strange game, but I wasn't surprised when Mannings first interception was an overthrow to a deep lying safety. He has done that a few times in the post season. It's a pity, I like him and I love his attitude, but he certainly gets rattled when the intensity picks up against a good defence, which is what you tend to meet every so often in the playoffs. Having said that, I think slating Manning really takes away from the Seahawks defence. They were brilliant. The pass rush pressured him and the Seahawks have a great advantage over most secondaries in that they probably prefer going man coverage. Their DBs just seem to love the physical contest and battling for the ball. Every yard gained, especially when the game was in question, was really hard gained. Most defenses don't like to expose their DBs in 1v1 matchups. They try and play zone coverage, tampa 2 or 3 deep or whatever, and Manning (and other good QBs) are great at exploiting holes in zones, especially if you have receivers like Welker and Decker that like to find the soft spots. but Man v Man is a different story. You have to win your battles there, and while the odds favour the QB and WR in that contest because they know the play and the route, Seattles D just love that challenge and dominated when it mattered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 03, 2014, 09:59:42 AM
Quote.  Seattle's Offense did next to nothing but it was enough.         

Bit harsh...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 03, 2014, 10:10:04 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 03, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
That was without doubt the oddest strangest weirdest game I have ever seen at pro level.

Denver could get nothing right, yet Manning ends up with the most completions of any QB in a Super Bowl, the Nose Tackle was fantastic, Welker most catches in a SB. Demaryius Thomas went missing, along with the Offensive Line and the TEs. Penalties, dropped passes, special team mishaps, a safety on the first play, it was like the entire denver playing and coaching staff bet on seahawks by 20, but figured there were 3 guys not to tell...

Seattle's Offense did next to nothing but it was enough. The Seattle D was absolutely astonishing, every single tackle, every single block, every rush, first class, I have never seen anything like the execution by any D before. fantastic. Drive determination and just would not quit, even when the game was long out of Denver's reach the still went 100% on everything. Exceptional

Do you have that the wrong way round? Thomas put up most catches for 118 and a TD?

Wilson massively overthrew a dump to, well, Wilson very early on and I thought he was struck with nerves. Practically flawless beyond that. Serious balls for a second year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
been spolit with Good superbowls, this one was terrible from the word go, maybe the wost sicne the Bills took a tanking many years ago. Manning was poor compared to his high standards but that offensive line was shocking last nite, they have the best receivers in the championship but they all went missing i didnt see decker free at all in the 1st half, Special teams brutal, in all a nite to forget especially for a great player like Bailey who now retires with no superbowl ring. This Seattle defence is great, but as an overall team they havent got much on offense. Its nice to see them win asuperbowl but abit like the ravens they not be back next year. broncos may be again but they are starting to look like the old buffalo bills team. Feel sorry for Manning as i rate high so highly but in general the team inploded last nite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
That's a big call on the Seahawks. The Ravens defense was old, and they lost players through FA and retirements. Anquin Boldin leaving, and Denis Pitta getting injured screwed their passing game, and Joe Flacco isn't as much a play maker as Wilson.

this Seahawks team has an average age of about 26 I think. I'm not sure of their cap situation and FA, but I doubt they are as bad a situation as the Ravens were, and Wilson is younger and better than Flacco.

The NFC West is a tough division, and I hope you are right, but I don't think the Seahawks are going anywhere. I certainly expect them to remain very hard to beat in Seattle for a while anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 03, 2014, 01:47:58 PM
Sidney Rice to come back next year too? Their offense isn't half as poor as people make out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2014, 02:09:49 PM
I expect the 49ers to come out next year, they didnt show the form of last year but they are the team with the most potency to trun over seattle but they gotta win 1st seed as travelling to seattle a tough ask. I expect the colts and maybe detroit lions to make some noise next year. American football funny in that team change from year to year, i only rememebr the 49ers, Buffalo bills and the cowboys in the lates 80`s early 90`s making it to regular supebowls. and in the oo`s the patriots and to an extend the Steelers making it to superbowls. the lifespan of a very good team is about 4/5yrs due to salary caps more than anything else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Free agency and the salary cap changes have made it hard for teams to stay together for years the way those great teams of the 70s, 80s and 90s have done. It's what makes the Patriots a fantastic model as they are always competitive. 'Last to First' stories are not that unusual in the NFL, and if you look at the Atlanta Falcons or Houston Texans next year, they'll be a lot better than they were in 2013.

The list of Free Agents for 2014 is ...

http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents/ (http://nfltraderumors.co/2014-nfl-free-agents/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2014, 02:30:01 PM
The NFL were blessed with the weather for that game. NYC's been getting pounded with snow and subzero (C) temps over the last month, but it warmed up into the 40s F for the weekend. Now this morning, 8 or 9 hours after the end of the game, a snowstorm has hit the city, with at least six inches of snow well on the way and flights cancelled left right and center! They got lucky!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
Joe still has it!  ;D

(http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/466626663.jpg?w=620&h=349&crop=1)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
On a different note, the thought has occurred to me a couple of times this year that maybe a Rugby style restart might be higher odds on recovering an onside kick than the standard 'low kick and second hop into the air'..

I know Rugby guys drop kick the ball, which makes it easier to get under the ball, but surely with a bit of practice you could develop a sort of 'scoop' kick off the tee which would go high in the air, but only 10 yards or so. Then you send your Paul O'Connell's to try and tap the ball back on your side.

Has to be a higher percentage play than that daft onside kick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2014, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
Was a strange game, but I wasn't surprised when Mannings first interception was an overthrow to a deep lying safety. He has done that a few times in the post season. It's a pity, I like him and I love his attitude, but he certainly gets rattled when the intensity picks up against a good defence, which is what you tend to meet every so often in the playoffs. Having said that, I think slating Manning really takes away from the Seahawks defence. They were brilliant. The pass rush pressured him and the Seahawks have a great advantage over most secondaries in that they probably prefer going man coverage. Their DBs just seem to love the physical contest and battling for the ball. Every yard gained, especially when the game was in question, was really hard gained. Most defenses don't like to expose their DBs in 1v1 matchups. They try and play zone coverage, tampa 2 or 3 deep or whatever, and Manning (and other good QBs) are great at exploiting holes in zones, especially if you have receivers like Welker and Decker that like to find the soft spots. but Man v Man is a different story. You have to win your battles there, and while the odds favour the QB and WR in that contest because they know the play and the route, Seattles D just love that challenge and dominated when it mattered.

Shows how much people underestimate Russell Wilson as well, given the division he plays in and the defenses and pass rushes he has to face almost every week. Peyton turned down Seattle and San Francisco. Might have been some serious calculation went into that decision!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 03:12:38 PM
He also turned down Arizona. I think you're right. He didn't fell like hobbling for his life in the face of the pass rush from Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona or Saint Louis. The best pass rusher in that entire division is probably your man Quinn from Saint Louis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2014, 04:29:23 PM
Be interesting to see how Seattle do next year alright. I thought i read Earl Thomas is a free agent next season, obviously he would be a big priority to resign, they do seem to have a lot of players on relatively low salaries. MVP last night Malcolm Smith was a 7th round pick, Sherman was a 5th round pick. When players get the exposure of winning a Super Bowl there will always be some that want to either try and get a bigger contract or test free agency, hold out etc. You also find that when players win a Super Bowl they think they have "made it", and don't push as hard the next season for various reasons.

Russell Wilson will also be due a mega contract you would think when his rookie deal ends, that gives you less room/$$$$ across the roster to address other positions. As AZ said the NFL has lots of last to first stories and its what makes the NFL so interesting, in my opinion, beats the shit out of the English Premier League in that regard anyway.

Long off season  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on February 03, 2014, 04:36:48 PM
Really disappointed the Broncos didn't win it as I'm a huge Manning fan but I was even more disappointed it was such a poor spectacle, it was practically over after the very first play. I had a feeling Seattle would win and I just thought the first play set the tone for the rest of the game. Still you couldn't begrudge Seattle their win and I always like to see teams who have a loyal and passionate fan base do well and that certainly seems to be the case with Seattle.

Hope Manning can redeem himself and win one more though, not only is he a great QB but he seems like a genuinely classy guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Golden Tate is probably the biggest Free Agent name they have. I don't think Thomas is a free agent. Not unrestricted anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Golden Tate is probably the biggest Free Agent name they have. I don't think Thomas is a free agent. Not unrestricted anyway.

Yeah just checked, he isn't a free agent until 2015 season, but they are going to try and get him signed to an extension in the off season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on February 03, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
I think a lot of the young Seattle team are coming to the end of their rookie contracts and Seattle have a lot of work to do to keep them on and afford them.
The Seattle defense won that game - they were spectacular. Like a pack of wolves relentlessly hunting everything down. Wilson had a good game and I feel had the rub of the green on a lot of occasions.  I don't know what was going on in the game from the first snap it seemed like Denver had their hearts taken out of it. Seattle beat them mentally on defense - Peyton looked like Eli in there...
I am delighted for the team and the fans. They worked and fought hard all year. For the neutral fan it wasn't nice to watch but for a Seattle fan that was a beautiful Superbowl. The top 2 teams in the country made it there and one of them showed up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 05:09:32 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 03, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
I think a lot of the young Seattle team are coming to the end of their rookie contracts and Seattle have a lot of work to do to keep them on and afford them.
The Seattle defense won that game - they were spectacular. Like a pack of wolves relentlessly hunting everything down. Wilson had a good game and I feel had the rub of the green on a lot of occasions.  I don't know what was going on in the game from the first snap it seemed like Denver had their hearts taken out of it. Seattle beat them mentally on defense - Peyton looked like Eli in there...
I am delighted for the team and the fans. They worked and fought hard all year. For the neutral fan it wasn't nice to watch but for a Seattle fan that was a beautiful Superbowl. The top 2 teams in the country made it there and one of them showed up.

that's the thing Iceman. They're not really. Obviously some of them will want to get restructured sharpish, not least Wilson who earns less in a year than Manning does in a week. But in terms of 'having' to get it done, they only have a few UFA this year, and only 1 RFA I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 03, 2014, 05:10:34 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 03, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
I think a lot of the young Seattle team are coming to the end of their rookie contracts and Seattle have a lot of work to do to keep them on and afford them.
The Seattle defense won that game - they were spectacular. Like a pack of wolves relentlessly hunting everything down. Wilson had a good game and I feel had the rub of the green on a lot of occasions.  I don't know what was going on in the game from the first snap it seemed like Denver had their hearts taken out of it. Seattle beat them mentally on defense - Peyton looked like Eli in there...
I am delighted for the team and the fans. They worked and fought hard all year. For the neutral fan it wasn't nice to watch but for a Seattle fan that was a beautiful Superbowl. The top 2 teams in the country made it there and one of them showed up.

Any argument that the top two teams in the country played 2 weeks ago in Seattle?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 05:13:52 PM
I don't think so. And I think if that game was in San Francisco, you may well have had a different outcome. Add in the Cardinals at 10-6 and even the Rams who are no patsies, and that's a hell of a division at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 03, 2014, 09:16:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
That's a big call on the Seahawks. The Ravens defense was old, and they lost players through FA and retirements. Anquin Boldin leaving, and Denis Pitta getting injured screwed their passing game, and Joe Flacco isn't as much a play maker as Wilson.

this Seahawks team has an average age of about 26 I think. I'm not sure of their cap situation and FA, but I doubt they are as bad a situation as the Ravens were, and Wilson is younger and better than Flacco.

The NFC West is a tough division, and I hope you are right, but I don't think the Seahawks are going anywhere. I certainly expect them to remain very hard to beat in Seattle for a while anyway.

The Seahawks have 18 players to resign. Of course there are others like Sherman who are going to want to get paid straight away. This could be a problem for the Seahawks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2014, 09:30:57 PM
18 to resign, but how many are starters? Every team loses people through FA but it's the type of player that is important. I don't think any of the FA they have, Tate apart, would be classed as big names?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 03, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
Seattle are classless from their idiot, cheating head coach to their mouthing ignorant players.

I mind well the celebrating that went on after the replacement refs fecked the packers, that cheating  sc**bag Carroll ran around like he had accomplished something.

They were brilliant last night but I could never pull for a shower of bastard like that.

I do however have a lot of time for their about however,

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 04, 2014, 03:50:49 AM
Quote from: stew on February 03, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
+100
Seattle are classless from their idiot, cheating head coach to their mouthing ignorant players.

I mind well the celebrating that went on after the replacement refs fecked the packers, that cheating  sc**bag Carroll ran around like he had accomplished something.

They were brilliant last night but I could never pull for a shower of b**tard like that.

I do however have a lot of time for their about however,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 04, 2014, 05:39:51 AM
Quote from: stew on February 03, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
Seattle are classless from their idiot, cheating head coach to their mouthing ignorant players.

I mind well the celebrating that went on after the replacement refs fecked the packers, that cheating  sc**bag Carroll ran around like he had accomplished something.

They were brilliant last night but I could never pull for a shower of b**tard like that.

I do however have a lot of time for their about however,

From what I saw and heard (Sherman, Wilson, Chancellor and others), they were very magnanimous, especially regarding Manning.

Delighted to see them win it.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 04, 2014, 10:07:13 AM
Delighted Seattle won and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thankfully good defense is every bit as enjoyable to me as good offense so I wasn't dispappointed. As for spectacle - not much could beat Percy Harvin streaking back with that kick return. He has serious wheels.

The downside is the continuing undercurrent questioning Peyton Manning's greatness because he only has one SB. I feel sorry for him after the season he had that it ended this way but in my mind he is the greatest QB of his era and one of the best of all time. He could do no more. Seattle won in the trenches, won most of the one on one battles and it would have been miraculous to pull out a win in those circumstances. That's what I love about NFL. It comes down to man against man and the "any given Sunday" cliche is kind of true. Despite the overhyping of the QB position, if the supporting cast isn't up to it then even the greatest QB cannot win alone.

Bruno Mars made my ankles feel sore with that modified moonwalk thingy he was at.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2014, 12:16:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2014, 10:07:13 AM
Delighted Seattle won and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Thankfully good defense is every bit as enjoyable to me as good offense so I wasn't dispappointed. As for spectacle - not much could beat Percy Harvin streaking back with that kick return. He has serious wheels.

The downside is the continuing undercurrent questioning Peyton Manning's greatness because he only has one SB. I feel sorry for him after the season he had that it ended this way but in my mind he is the greatest QB of his era and one of the best of all time. He could do no more. Seattle won in the trenches, won most of the one on one battles and it would have been miraculous to pull out a win in those circumstances. That's what I love about NFL. It comes down to man against man and the "any given Sunday" cliche is kind of true. Despite the overhyping of the QB position, if the supporting cast isn't up to it then even the greatest QB cannot win alone.

Bruno Mars made my ankles feel sore with that modified moonwalk thingy he was at.

I preferred his wheel out to the left in the first half for the completeness of the play. He really should have been nailed at least twice on the kickoff return though. Blistering pace. If they re-sign Rice (and he's fit) and keep one of Kearse or Baldwin (both of whom you'd imagine will be looking for more prominent roles), then Wilson will have plenty of targets to keep people on their toes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2014, 01:47:51 PM
Wilson is the real deal. I saw him live twice and could not believe he waited until the third round to get selected.


I would hope Seattle lose a bunch if their best young players,  they cannot pay them all and hopefully the pats will pick up a corner back from them

I like Manning a lot but Brady is the best of his generation overall, Manning gets the regular season nod..........just but Brady is and was better overall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2014, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2014, 01:47:51 PM
Wilson is the real deal. I saw him live twice and could not believe he waited until the third round to get selected.


I would hope Seattle lose a bunch if their best young players,  they cannot pay them all and hopefully the pats will pick up a corner back from them

I like Manning a lot but Brady is the best of his generation overall, Manning gets the regular season nod..........just but Brady is and was better overall.

Lads, where is this coming from? Unless I'm missing something completely, I cannot see many/any of their best young players being Free Agents. Of course Wilson and others will want to restructure or re-sign on better deals, but Seattle don't need to do anything this year at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
A piece on Granland last night described Wilson's deal as the most valuable contract in the NFL. His pay rises to 800k next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on February 04, 2014, 03:12:58 PM
A promotion that went wrong or right depending on your perspective :

"Mattress Mack" to pay $7m in Super Bowl bet pledge

A US furniture store owner is set to lose $7m (£4.2m) after promising a full refund to customers if the Seahawks beat Broncos in Sunday's Super Bowl.

The Seahawks duly won the game 43 to 8, which means about 1,000 customers will now get their orders for free.

Nicknamed "Mattress Mack", Jim McIngvale is well-known for his attention-grabbing ploys.

Though substantial, the loss amounts to only 6% of Mr McIngvale's annual income. He says it is good marketing.



McIngvale ran the Super Bowl promotion for 10 days at his two Gallery Furniture stores.

To win, customers had to purchase at least $6,000-worth of furniture and have it delivered before kickoff on Sunday.

The average customer who was eligible for the refund deal bought around $7,000 worth of furniture.

McIngvale is philosophical about the loss and says his business is getting priceless media coverage.

"It's a big hit, but it's a marketing expense. But more importantly, it's a brand-builder," McIngvale said in a phone interview.

It is not the first time "Mattress Mack" has pulled this kind of stunt.

Earlier this year, he refunded almost $700,000 to customers who bet correctly on the Super Bowl playoff victors.



In December, he was honoured by President George H W Bush for his anti-drugs campaigning, and he regularly gives talks to young people in Houston about his experience with addiction.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 04, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
I'd have thought there'd be more people questioning whether Denver would be able to come back next year, given Manning's age. I suppose it didn't slow him down much this year. Lots of the Seattle players are already talking about a "repeat".

On another note, I read that the Texans will take Johnny Manziel with the first pick in the draft. Could he turn them into serious contenders?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2014, 03:22:38 PM
they probably need a QB alright, but I'm not sure if Johnny Football will be a hit straight away. The Texans have a lot of pieces already, so a good QB would help them a lot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 04, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
I'd have thought there'd be more people questioning whether Denver would be able to come back next year, given Manning's age. I suppose it didn't slow him down much this year. Lots of the Seattle players are already talking about a "repeat".

On another note, I read that the Texans will take Johnny Manziel with the first pick in the draft. Could he turn them into serious contenders?

Michael Vick has been hinting at a Texans move too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 05, 2014, 05:13:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 04, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 04, 2014, 03:21:35 PM
I'd have thought there'd be more people questioning whether Denver would be able to come back next year, given Manning's age. I suppose it didn't slow him down much this year. Lots of the Seattle players are already talking about a "repeat".

On another note, I read that the Texans will take Johnny Manziel with the first pick in the draft. Could he turn them into serious contenders?

Michael Vick has been hinting at a Texans move too.

Vick's days must be very numbered now, as an injury-prone, rushing quarterback in his mid-30's. He'd be great to have around as a back-up though, if he was affordable.

I'm really looking forward to all the Johnny Football hoopla next year. Multiply Tim Tebow by a thousand David Beckhams and you're still nowhere near it. It's just a pity he won't be going to the Cowboys.

Had a quick scan of that Free Agent list AZ posted. More trouble for Baltimore by the looks of it. Pitta, Jacoby and Dallas Clark all out of contract. It's a pity because Flacco showed in last year's playoffs just how phenomenal he can be under pressure. "And he can sling it man. He can flat out sling it."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5 Sams on February 12, 2014, 09:25:51 PM
Is Jeter retiring not a big story over there lads?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 12, 2014, 10:07:02 PM
Huge on twitter anyway. To be honest when he got that bad injury there it as good as retired him anyway. Fair play that he's back for a year,and I hope it goes well for him. A good pro and a great leader on a great team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 13, 2014, 12:04:30 PM
Did he homer on his first at bat of one of his returns last year? Jeter has been increasingly crocked for the last number of years. Apparently shaping up well for spring training so there might be a bit of a last hurrah in him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 12:18:11 PM
Over a month since this thread was updated, so probably time to do so based on the fact that March Madness is about to kick off, with all the conference tourneys going at the moment. Anyone interested in a Bracket tournament?

Spring Training is well under way in the baseball, and the NBA and NHL are well on in their regular seasons.

Some of the most interesting stuff over recent days though is from the sport on its offseason, the NFL. Free agency started this week, and I think some of the moves so far have been very interesting. Some teams are going to look very different come next season.

Major Free Agency Moves so far. (In my opinion!)

LB Lamaar Woodley has gone from the Steelers to the Raiders
WR Ted Ginn JR from the Panthers to the Cardinals
DE Justin Tuck has gone from the Giants to the Raiders
DE Chris Clemons of the Seahawks has gone to the Jaguars
WR Eric Decker has left the Broncos for the J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets
CB Derrell Revis is heading to the Patriots from the Buccaneers
WR Golden Tate has left the Seahawks for the Lions
QB Josh McCown has left the Bears and is heading to the Buccaneers
DE Demarcus Ware is leaving the ranch at Dallas and heading for the Broncos
RB Donald Brown has left the Colts for the Chargers
S Jairus Byrd has left cold Buffalo to head to the Mississippi Delta and the Saints
RB Toby Gerhart has left the Vikings and is on his way to the Jaguars
CB Alterarraun Verner has left the Titans and is joining the Buccaneers
RB Rashad Jenning has left the Raiders and is on his way to New Jersey and the Giants
RB Dexter McCluster is leaving the Chiefs for a new home with the Titans
LB Karlos Dansby is leaving Arizona again :( and moving to the Browns
WR Andre Roberts, is leaving the 3rd slot on the Cardinals WR corps to start again in Washington with the Redskins


Another bigger move sees the New Orleans Saints decide to trade Darren Sproles rather than release him as a Free Agent. He's gone to the Eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 14, 2014, 12:41:29 PM
Some really interesting moves. The Broncos are really going for it. Patriots got a great one with Revis and that's gotta hurt Jets fans. Am happy with the business da Bears have done so far. Defense was a shambles last year but have picked up defensive ends Lamarr Houston from the Raiders and Willie Young for Detroit as well as safeties M.D. Jennings and Ryan Mundy. Pity to lose Peppers but at his age and diminishing production it had to happen. Peanut Tillman is still not signed. Hope he is back but age v. salary is probably a problem. Playing at a very high level still. Offense (greatest in Bears history statistically) has all been kept together and Dominik Hixon is an interesting addition. Devin Hester gone is unfortunate but he probably was looking for too much money for a kick returner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
They must be on crystal meth in the Raiders front office.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
They must be on crystal meth in the Raiders front office.

Since 1985
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 14, 2014, 01:35:03 PM
The vikings picked up DT Linval Joseph from the Giants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 01:35:56 PM
Yeah, there's a ton of more moves as well. The Cardinals seem to have picked up a couple of O-Linemen as well, which will help. I'll see if I can get a full list.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 01:40:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 01:35:56 PM
Yeah, there's a ton of more moves as well. The Cardinals seem to have picked up a couple of O-Linemen as well, which will help. I'll see if I can get a full list.

AZ


Are offensive linesmen boys that you have along the line to dish out bad manners or are they like wing half forwards ??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 01:49:17 PM
Offensive lineman are among the most important in the sport, because their job is twofold. They are expected to protect and give the quarterback time to throw in the passing game, and they are expected to blow holes in the defensive line to allow running backs get through in the running game.

The positions are

Left Tackle   Left Guard  Centre Right Guard Right Tackle

Depending on whether your QB is right or left handed, the Left or Right Tackle are vitally important as they protect the QB's 'Blind Side', hence the movie title. Michael Oher is a Left Tackle. (Now a Free Agent actually).

Most pass rush try to get pressure up the middle, but the ones that tend to really get there are the speed guys off the edges. The Defensive Ends and the like. It's normally the Tackle's responsibility to pick up the edge rushing DE.

On a pass play the Offensive line tends to try and form a pocket by ceding ground to the pass rush, but trying to push it on and around the QB. A good pocket will end up like

                    C
         LG                   RG

       LT         QB          RT

On a run play they try and explode off the ball and drive the Defensive Line back to open up the holes. They usually have fancy  blocking schemes etc for run plays to try and open up hole, like pulling guards etc. In this example the Right Guard has 'pulled around' to the other side of the centre to try and out number the defense on that side and open a hole for a runner to go through. The run would be designed to look for the hole made behind the pulling guard.


       LT  LG    RG     C    RT

                   RB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 14, 2014, 02:25:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
They must be on crystal meth in the Raiders front office.

They havent done a thing right since the signed Bo Jackson, they are pitiful!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 02:53:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 01:49:17 PM
Offensive lineman are among the most important in the sport, because their job is twofold. They are expected to protect and give the quarterback time to throw in the passing game, and they are expected to blow holes in the defensive line to allow running backs get through in the running game.

The positions are

Left Tackle   Left Guard  Centre Right Guard Right Tackle

Depending on whether your QB is right or left handed, the Left or Right Tackle are vitally important as they protect the QB's 'Blind Side', hence the movie title. Michael Oher is a Left Tackle. (Now a Free Agent actually).

Most pass rush try to get pressure up the middle, but the ones that tend to really get there are the speed guys off the edges. The Defensive Ends and the like. It's normally the Tackle's responsibility to pick up the edge rushing DE.

On a pass play the Offensive line tends to try and form a pocket by ceding ground to the pass rush, but trying to push it on and around the QB. A good pocket will end up like

                    C
         LG                   RG

       LT         QB          RT

On a run play they try and explode off the ball and drive the Defensive Line back to open up the holes. They usually have fancy  blocking schemes etc for run plays to try and open up hole, like pulling guards etc. In this example the Right Guard has 'pulled around' to the other side of the centre to try and out number the defense on that side and open a hole for a runner to go through. The run would be designed to look for the hole made behind the pulling guard.


       LT  LG    RG     C    RT

                   RB

So basically they're the big fat fella like the " Fridge" back in the day ??

(http://www.scafricanamerican.com/public/files/img/PerryWilliam_hi.jpg)



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2014, 03:13:46 PM
They are a lot more athletic than that now - it's not uncommon for OL men to run the 40 yard dash in less than 5 seconds like this fella (all 24 stone of him)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqn4CS-AmAs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 03:14:04 PM
No, the Fridge was a defensive tackle. Defensive tackles are normally huge because they line up in the middle of the defensive line normally 'over' (in front of) the Offensive Guards and Centres. Their job is normally to 'stuff' the run.

I do remember the Fridge as an auxilliary full back in the superbowl that year for a play or two, trying to carry Walter Payton over the line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2014, 03:13:46 PM
They are a lot more athletic than that now - it's not uncommon for OL men to run the 40 yard dash in less than 5 seconds like this fella (all 24 stone of him)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqn4CS-AmAs

Fridge would be more of a BJ Ragi type I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2014, 03:13:46 PM
They are a lot more athletic than that now - it's not uncommon for OL men to run the 40 yard dash in less than 5 seconds like this fella (all 24 stone of him)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqn4CS-AmAs

6 foot 5 inches - 24 stone - running 60 yards in less than 5 seconds.


If he hit you, he'd break every bone in your body.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 03:22:15 PM
The modern NFL player is an absolute animal. Drugs play a part, I'm sure, but as a speciman of humanity they are unreal.

As for the hits, and the protection they wear, I think the hits are made harder because they feel invincible. ESPN do this sports lab thing, and I remember they had an NFL safety hitting a tackling dummy. They measured the force as being sufficient to move a 1 Ton rock 1 inch. Imagine that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 14, 2014, 04:21:42 PM
I think US lbs are 16lbs in a stone.... but even at 20 stone he'd do some awful damage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 04:24:46 PM
That doesn't make sense. Unless a pound is less over there.

He weighs 332 lbs, so if America had the concept of stone, using 16lbs per stone, he'd be 21 stone, but in Europe 332 lbs is 24 stone. Either way he's 332lbs which is 24 European Stones.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 14, 2014, 04:26:54 PM
Nice. I just dropped a stone in this discussion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 14, 2014, 04:30:10 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on March 14, 2014, 04:21:42 PM
I think US lbs are 16lbs in a stone.... but even at 20 stone he'd do some awful damage

Think it's 16oz in a pint rather than 20 is the difference across the Atlantic.  Wonder why the difference?  Someone made a mistake but wouldn't correct it for fear of losing face?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 04:32:30 PM
Yep, I knew the Imperial Pint and the US Pint were slightly different. I hadn't heard about the stone difference, but that's because I've never heard an American talk about weight in stones.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2014, 04:49:29 PM
it's 16 ounces in a pound and 14 pounds in a stone, right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 04:55:39 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2014, 04:49:29 PM
it's 16 ounces in a pound and 14 pounds in a stone, right?
right
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: orangeman on March 14, 2014, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2014, 03:22:15 PM
The modern NFL player is an absolute animal. Drugs play a part, I'm sure, but as a speciman of humanity they are unreal.

As for the hits, and the protection they wear, I think the hits are made harder because they feel invincible. ESPN do this sports lab thing, and I remember they had an NFL safety hitting a tackling dummy. They measured the force as being sufficient to move a 1 Ton rock 1 inch. Imagine that.

Brian "Wolverine" Dawkins ?


That's the boy that got Kevin Cassidy in trouble with Jim.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 14, 2014, 06:12:46 PM
I thought there was a difference in lbs to be honest. Something to do with hundredweights and how many lbs were in those under the imperial system?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 14, 2014, 08:16:19 PM
nope a pound is a pound is a lb
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 15, 2014, 11:12:46 PM
Tillman signed up for next season for da Bears - delighted with that. The overhaul of the defense would have been a bit harder without keeping him on board.

Peppers gone to the fudge. Interesting to see how that works out but he'll be pumped for the Bears games I'm sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
March Madness starts tonight. The preliminary round games (to get to a field of 64) are tonight and tomorrow. Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are the best days of the tournament I think. If you get an hour take a look in, usually some great upsets and last minute finishes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 18, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
March Madness starts tonight. The preliminary round games (to get to a field of 64) are tonight and tomorrow. Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are the best days of the tournament I think. If you get an hour take a look in, usually some great upsets and last minute finishes.
another great weekend of sport!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 18, 2014, 04:26:38 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on March 18, 2014, 03:08:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 09:48:05 AM
March Madness starts tonight. The preliminary round games (to get to a field of 64) are tonight and tomorrow. Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday are the best days of the tournament I think. If you get an hour take a look in, usually some great upsets and last minute finishes.
another great weekend of sport!

Top tournament ever.  Started in 1939 with 8 teams.
Expanded along the way to 68 teams, with 4 play-in games
A 16 seed has never beaten a 1 seed.
Lowest seed to win it all since expansion to 64 teams in 1985 was #8...Villanova in 1985.
All four number 1 seeds getting to the Final Four happened only once, in 2008.
Two number 1 seeds in the Championship Game has occurred 6 times, last in 2008.
Only 3 times has the Final Four not contained a number 1 seed, last in 2011.

And finally, to help getting your bracketology perfect for the first round:

Since the inception of the 64-team tournament in 1985, through 2013, each seed-pairing has played a total of 116 games, with the following results:
The #1 seed is 116–0 against the #16 seed (100%).
The #2 seed is 109–7 against the #15 seed (93.97%).
The #3 seed is 99–17 against the #14 seed (85.34%).
The #4 seed is 91–25 against the #13 seed (78.45%).
The #5 seed is 75–41 against the #12 seed (64.66%).
The #6 seed is 77–39 against the #11 seed (66.38%).
The #7 seed is 70-46 against the #10 seed (60.34%).
The #8 seed is 56–60 against the #9 seed (48.28%).


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
For me, the 5v12 games are always good auld upset chances.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 18, 2014, 04:40:59 PM
Only time for this to happen:  In 2002 Maryland team is the only #1 seed who has won the championship by defeating a #16, 8, 4, 2, and 1 seed — the predicted possible seeds in each round — en route to the final.

So the only thing we can predict...is unpredictability!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 20, 2014, 08:48:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
For me, the 5v12 games are always good auld upset chances.

Harvard fit the bill nicely there. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 21, 2014, 12:14:53 PM
Manhattan College was very close to the mother of all shocks last night against the reigning national champs Louisville. Two big late threes from Louisville got them over the line , just!
Wasn't over till 1:30 am eastern time. Can't keep eyes open today!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 21, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.

Sad to see Heater go but with so much surgery required to the defense he was an unaffordable luxury. Would have loved to see Allen come to the Bears - a great addition for Seattle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 21, 2014, 04:21:44 PM
I like this :)

http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/55ea682cd0/your-official-2014-march-madness-cliche-bracket (http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/55ea682cd0/your-official-2014-march-madness-cliche-bracket)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 21, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
For me, the 5v12 games are always good auld upset chances.

Damn AZ you are good!

I got 15 out of 16 right yesterday and am tied at the top of my pool, I lost today with Duke and expect to be about 6th out of 300 by days end, $50.00 for a pool and the top twenty pay out) if I finish 10tI get $500.00, not too shabby!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 22, 2014, 02:56:22 AM
Quote from: stew on March 21, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
For me, the 5v12 games are always good auld upset chances.

Damn AZ you are good!

I got 15 out of 16 right yesterday and am tied at the top of my pool, I lost today with Duke and expect to be about 6th out of 300 by days end, $50.00 for a pool and the top twenty pay out) if I finish 10tI get $500.00, not too shabby!

Three of the four 12 seeds win.  Mercer impressive in beating Duke.  Having 5 seniors start every game this season for Mercer has them physically more mature than any opponent.  They could go on a run...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 26, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.

Sad to see Heater go but with so much surgery required to the defense he was an unaffordable luxury. Would have loved to see Allen come to the Bears - a great addition for Seattle.

So Jarad Allen did go to the Bears, 4 year contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 26, 2014, 03:07:41 PM
All American Wrestler Dan Henderson at age 43 TKO'd former UFC LHW Champion Shogun Rua on home turf in Brazil on Sunday Night. Henderson, who was taking a bit of a beating for 10 minutes and suffered two knockdowns, caught Rua with his now infamous H-Bomb and gave Rua's nose another post code. Worth a watch lads if any of you like MMA and haven't seen it. Also on the same card (though a very boring fight) was Bushmills Fighter Norman Parke who fought to a draw with another Brazilian on home turf.
An additional 2 MMA fighters from Dublin's SBG have been picked for the upcoming season of the Ultimate Fighter. Worth watching. Irish MMA is on the rise on the world stage now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 27, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.

Sad to see Heater go but with so much surgery required to the defense he was an unaffordable luxury. Would have loved to see Allen come to the Bears - a great addition for Seattle.

So Jarad Allen did go to the Bears, 4 year contract.

Delighted with that. Probably overpaid a bit and a 4 yr contract for a guy who is almost 32 but if he plays up to his usual level he could be a top player for da Bears for a couple of seasons. Need to address the centre of the defense now - Defensive tackle and safety will be high priorities in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on March 27, 2014, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 27, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.

Sad to see Heater go but with so much surgery required to the defense he was an unaffordable luxury. Would have loved to see Allen come to the Bears - a great addition for Seattle.

So Jarad Allen did go to the Bears, 4 year contract.

Delighted with that. Probably overpaid a bit and a 4 yr contract for a guy who is almost 32 but if he plays up to his usual level he could be a top player for da Bears for a couple of seasons. Need to address the centre of the defense now - Defensive tackle and safety will be high priorities in the draft.

It's only two years guaranteed money of 15m on the contract so not as over the top as it looks and certainly cheaper than keeping a 34 years old Peppers. Hopefully he can play a bit better than last year and doesn't spend all year chasing his personal sack records rather than defending for the team. We need to draft Ha Ha Clinton Dix or CJ Mosely if they are still on the board for us cause we are badly short at Safety and linebacker at the moment!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 27, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 27, 2014, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 27, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.

Sad to see Heater go but with so much surgery required to the defense he was an unaffordable luxury. Would have loved to see Allen come to the Bears - a great addition for Seattle.

So Jarad Allen did go to the Bears, 4 year contract.

Delighted with that. Probably overpaid a bit and a 4 yr contract for a guy who is almost 32 but if he plays up to his usual level he could be a top player for da Bears for a couple of seasons. Need to address the centre of the defense now - Defensive tackle and safety will be high priorities in the draft.

It's only two years guaranteed money of 15m on the contract so not as over the top as it looks and certainly cheaper than keeping a 34 years old Peppers. Hopefully he can play a bit better than last year and doesn't spend all year chasing his personal sack records rather than defending for the team. We need to draft Ha Ha Clinton Dix or CJ Mosely if they are still on the board for us cause we are badly short at Safety and linebacker at the moment!!

Agreed. Think DE now has depth so a good rotation can keep all guys fresh and productive. It's a big chance (you'd hope) for Allen to win somethnig so hopefully he is more team-oriented as you mention.

Don't follow college ball all that closely but lots of mcoks show Bears taking Clinton Dix. Is it not a bit early for a safety?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on March 28, 2014, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 27, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on March 27, 2014, 11:18:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 27, 2014, 10:46:47 AM
Quote from: Minder on March 26, 2014, 01:02:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 21, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 20, 2014, 08:54:29 PM
Hester to the Falcons & Jared Allen to the Seahawks, Seattle will have an even better pass rush next year.

Sad to see Heater go but with so much surgery required to the defense he was an unaffordable luxury. Would have loved to see Allen come to the Bears - a great addition for Seattle.

So Jarad Allen did go to the Bears, 4 year contract.

Delighted with that. Probably overpaid a bit and a 4 yr contract for a guy who is almost 32 but if he plays up to his usual level he could be a top player for da Bears for a couple of seasons. Need to address the centre of the defense now - Defensive tackle and safety will be high priorities in the draft.

It's only two years guaranteed money of 15m on the contract so not as over the top as it looks and certainly cheaper than keeping a 34 years old Peppers. Hopefully he can play a bit better than last year and doesn't spend all year chasing his personal sack records rather than defending for the team. We need to draft Ha Ha Clinton Dix or CJ Mosely if they are still on the board for us cause we are badly short at Safety and linebacker at the moment!!

Agreed. Think DE now has depth so a good rotation can keep all guys fresh and productive. It's a big chance (you'd hope) for Allen to win somethnig so hopefully he is more team-oriented as you mention.

Don't follow college ball all that closely but lots of mcoks show Bears taking Clinton Dix. Is it not a bit early for a safety?

Not really considering the drop of the QB's after their pro workouts so a lot of defensive players are going to go quick with teams thinking they can pick up a QB lower in the draft. Dix is rated right up there ( I didn't see him last year but watched him and Mosely in 2013 and they were brilliant for "Bama") and we need a safety so if he is still there we will take him although I think St. Louis might pinch him before us.Kalvin Prior is another option at Safety in the draft ( although I must admit I haven't seen him play) but again if Mosely is there I would take him before both Dix/Prior and maybe draft a safety in round 2!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 08:23:48 PM
DeSean Jackson has been released by the eagles. Apparently he has some gangland contacts they are not too comfortable with!  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 28, 2014, 11:59:32 PM
There is obviously more to this De Sean Jackson story than we are being told. They tried to trade him before he was cut but nobody was interested. It is hard to believe they are getting rid of such a good player for no good reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 29, 2014, 12:13:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj1VhvUCAAAWJkW.png:large)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 29, 2014, 08:41:45 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 28, 2014, 11:59:32 PM
There is obviously more to this De Sean Jackson story than we are being told. They tried to trade him before he was cut but nobody was interested. It is hard to believe they are getting rid of such a good player for no good reason.

See AZs post earlier, alleged gangland contacts, poor work ethic, late for team meetings. Teams aren't going to take any chances after Aaron Hernandez
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 31, 2014, 03:56:05 PM
Must be springtime. The NCAA Basketball is down to the Final Four next weekend, (none of which are in my bracket!) and after a couple of early tasters, the boys of summer start back. Today is officially 'Opening Day' for Major League Baseball.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 01, 2014, 02:30:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 28, 2014, 08:23:48 PM
DeSean Jackson has been released by the eagles. Apparently he has some gangland contacts they are not too comfortable with!  :o
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Jackson is not being treated well here. The media here are all over this, and all we seem to be hearing is , gang this , gang that! All a load of shite . The Eagles have clearly a different agenda here, and are afraid to pay him what he's worth. He's an excellent wideout and one of the games best deep threats. Chip Kelly is on record , TWO weeks ago, singing his praises, saying what an excellent player he was. He caught 87 passes last year. There wasn't a word of any of this , late for meetings, bad attitude etc during last season. Why now? They clearly want shot of him, no need to blacken his character as you are doing it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 06, 2014, 05:12:11 AM
Seventh-seeded Connecticut versus eighth-seeded Kentucky meet in college basketball final on Monday.

Shows how tough it is to predict anything in college sports.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 06, 2014, 06:45:15 AM
Some show they put on for an amateur org.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 11, 2014, 10:06:22 AM
So Colin Kaepernick has become embroiled in a possible date rape case in Miami. Classy. We'll see how it plays out because there are lots of women who look for a big settlement by making claims but likewise there's plenty of cases of players drugging women - it's pretty clear Darren Sharper was a prolific sex offender, for example.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2014, 12:16:17 PM
This is funny. A Minor League team played a month long trick on an ex Major Leaguer (Jeff Francoeur) by convincing him one of their pitchers was deaf.

http://deadspin.com/jeff-francoeurs-teammates-pulled-a-hilarious-month-lon-1562734995 (http://deadspin.com/jeff-francoeurs-teammates-pulled-a-hilarious-month-lon-1562734995)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 25, 2014, 04:45:37 PM
UCF were in Croker this week ahead of the game later this year

(http://i.imgur.com/pFGONmD.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on April 25, 2014, 06:13:00 PM
Check out ESPN 30 for 30 Tues april 29 7pm eastern time about Irelands World cup 94.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on April 25, 2014, 06:15:08 PM
http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=ceasefiremassacre
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 25, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E

Pretty sure he didn't get his feet down in bounds. Incomplete pass.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 26, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 25, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E

Pretty sure he didn't get his feet down in bounds. Incomplete pass.  ;D

Touching the boards count as being in the end zone - touchdown is the correct call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on April 26, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
Arena football doesn't count.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 26, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 26, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 25, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E

Pretty sure he didn't get his feet down in bounds. Incomplete pass.  ;D

Touching the boards count as being in the end zone - touchdown is the correct call.

I figured that but....I refer you to the last poster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 27, 2014, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 26, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 25, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E

Pretty sure he didn't get his feet down in bounds. Incomplete pass.  ;D

Touching the boards count as being in the end zone - touchdown is the correct call.

I figured that but....I refer you to the last poster.

Agreed.  End of Arena Football discussion.

On to weightier issues...any merit in the cheerleaders lawsuit within the NFL? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 27, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 27, 2014, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 26, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 25, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E

Pretty sure he didn't get his feet down in bounds. Incomplete pass.  ;D

Touching the boards count as being in the end zone - touchdown is the correct call.

I figured that but....I refer you to the last poster.

Agreed.  End of Arena Football discussion.

On to weightier issues...any merit in the cheerleaders lawsuit within the NFL?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 27, 2014, 09:12:35 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on April 27, 2014, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 27, 2014, 02:28:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2014, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 26, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 25, 2014, 10:59:06 PM
Quote from: declan85 on April 14, 2014, 12:31:58 PM
Touchdown of the year and its only April :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNgsObrao2E

Pretty sure he didn't get his feet down in bounds. Incomplete pass.  ;D

Touching the boards count as being in the end zone - touchdown is the correct call.

I figured that but....I refer you to the last poster.

Agreed.  End of Arena Football discussion.

On to weightier issues...any merit in the cheerleaders lawsuit within the NFL?
If there is a little bit of jiggle in the scope of a cheerleader I feel the team has a duty to enforce their standards, you don't have to meet the standards if you don't want that job.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on May 10, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
The NFL draft has been going on this weekend. Starting on Thursday the Texans took defensive end Jedeavon Clowney with the first pick of the draft. The Browns drafted a new quarterback Johnny Manziel with their second first round pick. The Vikings did the same and drafted Teddy Bridgewater as their new QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 10, 2014, 08:43:54 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 10, 2014, 08:38:08 PM
The NFL draft has been going on this weekend. Starting on Thursday the Texans took defensive end Jedeavon Clowney with the first pick of the draft. The Browns drafted a new quarterback Johnny Manziel with their second first round pick. The Vikings did the same and drafted Teddy Bridgewater as their new QB.

It looked like a great first day for the Browns only to see last night that Josh Gordon is looking at a season long ban next season  :(

Raiders seem to have drafted well for a change.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 15, 2014, 05:46:04 PM
It never fails to amaze me that a player can be banned for a year for smoking weed - but a player who is arrested for assault gets a 4 game ban

I know they are talking about relaxing the laws regarding mary j - so maybe there's hope yet.

In other sc**bag news ........

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BREAKING: Aaron Hernandez indicted for an additional double homicide in Boston in 2012, per @ABC & multiple reports.
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Post by: tyroneman on May 16, 2014, 11:14:52 PM
Quote.   Raiders seem to have drafted well for a change.     

On paper the best Raiders draft in a decade or more....
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Post by: gallsman on June 13, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
Two blowout wins for the Spurs in three nights away against LeBron and co in Miami leaves them just one win shy of a fifth title, all of which have come with Pop and Duncan. They really are one of the most magnificent organisations in pro sports. Expertly run, expertly coached.

Miami perhaps starting to slow down a bit. Wade is beginning to look old very quickly and even LeBron can't do it all himself. They simply don't have the quality of role players the Spurs do to keep the play at a high level when spreading the minutes.

Rumours abound that Miami's big three are considering opting out and re-signing for less in order to accommodate Melo moving over from the Knicks. Would be an insanely talented lineup but just can't see it happening.
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Post by: J70 on June 13, 2014, 12:43:00 PM
How would it work? Melo hogs the ball, with all player and ball movement stopping once he gets it. This is usually ok in NY because he is far and away the Knicks best player and and a superb shooter, but would he fit in with the Heat?

Spurs have been incredible to watch. As a Knicks fan you can only watch wistfully as they move the ball around like lightning, opening up space to eventually find an man for a wide open shot. It's killing the Heat, a team who are looking worn out, as you say.
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Post by: gallsman on June 13, 2014, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 13, 2014, 12:43:00 PM
How would it work? Melo hogs the ball, with all player and ball movement stopping once he gets it. This is usually ok in NY because he is far and away the Knicks best player and and a superb shooter, but would he fit in with the Heat?

Spurs have been incredible to watch. As a Knicks fan you can only watch wistfully as they move the ball around like lightning, opening up space to eventually find an man for a wide open shot. It's killing the Heat, a team who are looking worn out, as you say.

That's half the argument - it wouldn't work without big changes. Melo would be fully aware he wasn't #1 and would have to adjust his game accordingly. He's also a fat lazy bastard on defence - something the Heat just wouldn't tolerate. By all accounts though, he and LeBron have expressed interest in playing with each other.
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Post by: The Iceman on June 13, 2014, 06:16:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 13, 2014, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 13, 2014, 12:43:00 PM
How would it work? Melo hogs the ball, with all player and ball movement stopping once he gets it. This is usually ok in NY because he is far and away the Knicks best player and and a superb shooter, but would he fit in with the Heat?

Spurs have been incredible to watch. As a Knicks fan you can only watch wistfully as they move the ball around like lightning, opening up space to eventually find an man for a wide open shot. It's killing the Heat, a team who are looking worn out, as you say.

That's half the argument - it wouldn't work without big changes. Melo would be fully aware he wasn't #1 and would have to adjust his game accordingly. He's also a fat lazy b**tard on defence - something the Heat just wouldn't tolerate. By all accounts though, he and LeBron have expressed interest in playing with each other.
It would be a horrible pickup for the Heat. Melo can only ever be #1 on his team.
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Post by: Minder on June 13, 2014, 07:59:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 13, 2014, 10:15:31 AM
Two blowout wins for the Spurs in three nights away against LeBron and co in Miami leaves them just one win shy of a fifth title, all of which have come with Pop and Duncan. They really are one of the most magnificent organisations in pro sports. Expertly run, expertly coached.

Miami perhaps starting to slow down a bit. Wade is beginning to look old very quickly and even LeBron can't do it all himself. They simply don't have the quality of role players the Spurs do to keep the play at a high level when spreading the minutes.

Rumours abound that Miami's big three are considering opting out and re-signing for less in order to accommodate Melo moving over from the Knicks. Would be an insanely talented lineup but just can't see it happening.

It's rare you see a team with that level of unselfishness & team first attitude. Would love to see Duncan get another title, one of the best to ever play the game and about as humble as you can get in American sports.
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Post by: gallsman on June 16, 2014, 11:41:55 AM
The Spurs win it in five with another blowout and Leonard named as Finals MVP. Five titles for Duncan and Pop, four for TP and Manu. Duncan has played postseason ball every year of his career. Incredible longevity across the entire franchise and brilliant coaching to turn players like Mills and Diaw into excellent contributors. No doubt they'll be in the mix next year too.
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Post by: AZOffaly on June 16, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
They are possibly the best franchise in American Sports in fairness to them.
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Post by: cadhlancian on June 16, 2014, 03:37:01 PM
I saw Kawaii Leonard play a load of times for SDSU. Never thought I would see him be NBA finals MVP!
Great player
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Post by: Syferus on June 16, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 16, 2014, 11:42:48 AM
They are possibly the best franchise in American Sports in fairness to them.

They ain't no Green Bay Packers or Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Post by: AZOffaly on June 16, 2014, 04:35:45 PM
Very sad news from the States. A really pure hitter, and seemed to be a nice, gentle fella as well. RIP

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-06-16/tony-gwynn-dead-dies-obit-padres-cancer-san-diego-state
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Post by: anportmorforjfc on June 24, 2014, 11:24:03 PM
So LeBron opts out, be interesting to see if Wade and Bosh follow, could all be a ploy to make cap space for the Heat to improve next season. It is some free agency this year though, I wouldn't mind seeing either LeBron or Love join the Warriors  ;)
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Post by: gallsman on June 25, 2014, 11:33:34 AM
Doesn't really mean all that much in terms of destination but certainly that there'll be a restructured deal in Miami. Whether or not that implies he's taking less to accommodate Melo...

Has also been talk of LBJ and Melo in Chicago. Those two with Rose, Noah and Gibson would be frightening.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 11, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
LBJ headed back to Cleveland

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers
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Post by: Minder on July 11, 2014, 06:36:11 PM
Has the internet exploded yet ?
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Post by: Oraisteach on July 11, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Wow! An elite athlete opts to go to Cleveland rather than leave it.  Redemption.  The Prodigal Son.
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Post by: magpie seanie on July 12, 2014, 11:07:48 PM
It's a slightly surprising decision and certainly a more interesting one than I expected. Can he win an NBA title with the Cavs? Let's see.
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Post by: Oraisteach on July 13, 2014, 12:22:02 AM
Not at the minute, Seanie, though Vegas has them at 4/1 joint favorites to win next year's NBA title.  No way.  But if they can figure a way to get Kevin Love from Minnesota without surrendering Andrew Wiggins (unlikely, I'd say), then they'd be as good as anyone in the East, so who knows.

So now Cleveland has LeBron and Johnny Football--looks like Duffy's Media Circus has arrived.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on August 10, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
Anyone going to Wembley this year? Looking for Falcons vs Lions tickets of there's any spare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on August 11, 2014, 01:31:22 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 13, 2014, 12:22:02 AM
Not at the minute, Seanie, though Vegas has them at 4/1 joint favorites to win next year's NBA title.  No way.  But if they can figure a way to get Kevin Love from Minnesota without surrendering Andrew Wiggins (unlikely, I'd say), then they'd be as good as anyone in the East, so who knows.

So now Cleveland has LeBron and Johnny Football--looks like Duffy's Media Circus has arrived.

So the Love trade is happening. Good deal for both sides but Cleveland have to win now. LeBron on max contract (only for two years though) and paying big to Love with Irving to follow. Instant success required.

The Timberwolves have done well with Wiggins (potential to be a superstar), Bennett (shite) likely to be inexplicably traded to Philly for Thaddeus Young (can only presume they've given up on the season already) and a first round pick in a couple of years. Wiggins playing with Zach Lavine and Rubio should be exciting.

Quote from: anportmorforjfc on June 24, 2014, 11:24:03 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing either LeBron or Love join the Warriors  ;)

Warrior had their chance to get Love alright but for whatever reason insisted that Klay Thompson wouldn't be part of the deal along with West. Madness.

Also for anyone who didn't see it, Paul George's horrific injury effectively rules the Pacers out of any sort of contention this year.
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Post by: Oraisteach on August 19, 2014, 06:41:31 PM
It is so satisfying to be a NE Ohio sports fan.  First, Hoyer and Manziel looked like Laurel and Hardy on Monday night, and then Braxton Miller is done for the year for the Buckeyes.  What next?  LeBron James develops severe carpal tunnel syndrome from signing autographs and decides to wind up his career. 
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Post by: oakleaflad on August 19, 2014, 08:33:09 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 19, 2014, 06:41:31 PM
It is so satisfying to be a NE Ohio sports fan.  First, Hoyer and Manziel looked like Laurel and Hardy on Monday night, and then Braxton Miller is done for the year for the Buckeyes.  What next?  LeBron James develops severe carpal tunnel syndrome from signing autographs and decides to wind up his career. 
Would you go with Hoyer or Manziel to start the season?
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Post by: Oraisteach on August 19, 2014, 09:47:23 PM
Hoyer.  Not a Manziel fan.  Didn't want the Browns to draft him.  Apart from him being a prima donna, he's not that fast, he's not that big, and his instinct is to run. He's one good hit from being out for the season. And we open against the Steelers!
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Post by: AZOffaly on August 19, 2014, 09:48:32 PM
Agree. Plus he's a hateful hoor.
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Post by: magpie seanie on August 20, 2014, 12:05:39 AM
I thought Hoyer was doing really well last season until he got injured. Drafting Manziel seemed stupid to me for a team with no decent WR's that don't smoke a lot of dope (actively or, ahem, passively, cough, cough...). The Browns have a pretty good defense, will have a passable running attack but could do with one or two more playmakers on offense so I thought Manziel was a luxury pick really and it puts Hoyer in a pretty unfortunate situation. Assuming he does win the starting job, every time he throws 3 incompletions in a row or a pick the rumbles will start a la Tebow in Denver.

Started off being a Manziel fan but now I'm pretty sick of him. Act the mick all you like if you're tearing it up on the field but he isn't so he should be pulling his horns in and showing a little respect. Respect to his own teammates above everything else.
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Post by: Oraisteach on August 20, 2014, 03:26:03 AM
Seanie, your statement about WR's is dead on.  I watched the draft and became more and more irate as receiver after receiver was drafted and the Browns chose none of them.  If the Browns start Johnny Finger against the Steelers, he'll get his ass kicked, as ex-Bengal QB Boomer Esaison said today.
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Post by: Linkbox on August 20, 2014, 04:23:24 AM
Manziel is a clown but the fans will chant his name if he doesn't get the number 1 spot and they start to struggle. Happened with Tebow (where the hell is he now?!).

I've been keeping tabs on hard knocks which is always worth a watch. William Moore had a ridiculous palm tree in his house. No wonder the bankruptcy rate of former players is sky high.
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Post by: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on August 20, 2014, 04:23:24 AM
Manziel is a clown but the fans will chant his name if he doesn't get the number 1 spot and they start to struggle. Happened with Tebow (where the hell is he now?!).

I've been keeping tabs on hard knocks which is always worth a watch. William Moore had a ridiculous palm tree in his house. No wonder the bankruptcy rate of former players is sky high.

Tebow is out of football at the moment, but I've seen a few comments that if he came back and tried as a Tight End or a Full Back he might be able to make a career for himself. He doesn't seem keen on that. He could never throw an NFL ball, so Manziel does have that over him, but Tebow was a lot bigger than Manziel, so the old scrambling around is more likely to end up in a car crash for Manziel. And to be honest, I will smile the first time a Steelers linebacker says hello.

On another note, Darnell Dockett is out for the season for the Cardinals. Seriously bad news. Their defense is the rock they will be built on, and Dockett is a huge player and a major leader.
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Post by: Minder on August 20, 2014, 10:45:58 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on August 20, 2014, 04:23:24 AM
Manziel is a clown but the fans will chant his name if he doesn't get the number 1 spot and they start to struggle. Happened with Tebow (where the hell is he now?!).

I've been keeping tabs on hard knocks which is always worth a watch. William Moore had a ridiculous palm tree in his house. No wonder the bankruptcy rate of former players is sky high.

Has it started here on Ch4 yet ?
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Post by: Minder on August 20, 2014, 01:48:07 PM
Hoyer named Browns starting QB
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Post by: deiseach on August 20, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Tebow is out of football at the moment, but I've seen a few comments that if he came back and tried as a Tight End or a Full Back he might be able to make a career for himself.

WPWJP?
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Post by: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 02:58:41 PM
WPWPJ?

something something something something Jesus?
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Post by: smort on August 20, 2014, 03:06:43 PM
Wafered Penises Wrath Jawboning Prudential??
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Post by: oakleaflad on August 20, 2014, 04:54:47 PM
Walter Payton, Walter Jerry Payton ?
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Post by: Craigyhill Terror on August 20, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 20, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Tebow is out of football at the moment, but I've seen a few comments that if he came back and tried as a Tight End or a Full Back he might be able to make a career for himself.

WPWJP?

What Position Would Jesus Play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 20, 2014, 07:47:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 20, 2014, 01:48:07 PM
Hoyer named Browns starting QB

Johnny Clipboard
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Post by: Minder on August 27, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
Josh Gordon suspended for a year for smoking pot.

Ray Rice suspended 2 games for beating his wife unconscious.
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Post by: Oraisteach on August 27, 2014, 06:41:17 PM
Guess the Brownies will go to pot, but the Belt-her-More Cravens will be knock-out his year.
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Post by: magpie seanie on August 27, 2014, 11:42:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 27, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
Josh Gordon suspended for a year for smoking pot.

Ray Rice suspended 2 games for beating his wife unconscious.

To be fair Gordon has been suspended before and just can't seem to avoid trouble. I know it's something that isn't even a crime in all US states but he should not be doing this. It's a terrible shame because he is such a class player.

Ray Rice's suspension is a joke though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on August 28, 2014, 06:38:47 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 20, 2014, 09:25:26 AM
Quote from: Linkbox on August 20, 2014, 04:23:24 AM
Manziel is a clown but the fans will chant his name if he doesn't get the number 1 spot and they start to struggle. Happened with Tebow (where the hell is he now?!).

I've been keeping tabs on hard knocks which is always worth a watch. William Moore had a ridiculous palm tree in his house. No wonder the bankruptcy rate of former players is sky high.

Tebow is out of football at the moment, but I've seen a few comments that if he came back and tried as a Tight End or a Full Back he might be able to make a career for himself. He doesn't seem keen on that. He could never throw an NFL ball, so Manziel does have that over him, but Tebow was a lot bigger than Manziel, so the old scrambling around is more likely to end up in a car crash for Manziel. And to be honest, I will smile the first time a Steelers linebacker says hello.

On another note, Darnell Dockett is out for the season for the Cardinals. Seriously bad news. Their defense is the rock they will be built on, and Dockett is a huge player and a major leader.

You and me both.

Best place to buy tickets for a regular season NFL game lads? Stubhub? Seems to be cheaper than ticketmaster. Anywhere else? Catching the Giants in December. Can't wait.
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Post by: magpie seanie on September 15, 2014, 10:20:05 AM
Super win for da Bears last night to make up for the opening day muck up. Expected them to be 1-1 after these two games but not this way! Stayed up to watch it but fell asleep at 17-0 down and knocked it off! Was a pleasant surprise when I woke up this morning. 3 TD passes in the 4th quarter by Cutler swung it. Most importantly though the defense held up. A few injuries but it seems to be an epidemic across the league at this stage!
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Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
Cardinals top of the NFC West Baby!!! 2-0 after a mad win in New York. Backup QB and about 5 other big names missing, and they still get it done, thanks to some absolutely daft New York miscues.

NFL Gamepass is the business as well. I was sitting down, playing it through my iPAd and Apple TV onto the telly in the sitting room. Brilliant stuff.
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Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 15, 2014, 02:59:06 PM
Stayed up to watch it myself Seanie, went to the pit a H/T with my 49ers looking good, but the refs were atrocious. It will turn into Basketball if their not careful. Fair play to the bears for hanging in there and coming out with the win. The Redzone was great viewing and im glad i dont gamble anymore because there are landmines everywhere this season.
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Post by: muppet on September 16, 2014, 11:17:05 AM
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Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 22, 2014, 12:01:49 AM
49ers imploding here, some terrible lack of discipline, refs tough on a few calls. AZ will be happy, value for their win tho.
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Post by: AZOffaly on September 22, 2014, 10:10:15 AM
Great win. Delighted with it. The Cardinals Radio guys were slating the refs though. They couldn't believe some of the calls on the 49ers. Ron Wolfley said something like 'Of course we'll take it, but wait until we're on the receiving end. These are horrible calls'.

But still, delighted to be 3-0 and atop the NFC West heading into a bye week. To win 2 games with the backup QB is great as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 23, 2014, 11:31:58 AM
Nice win on the road again last night for da Bears. Lots of people predicted a Jets win in this one which I found surprising. They've a decent front 7 on defense but are only mediocre elsewhere. Not vintage from da Bears but great to see Jeffery back on song. Huuuuugge game next Sunday in Soldier Field vs. the fudge. They're a little down - now is the time to keep the foot on the throat.
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Post by: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
Did anyone notice the surnames of the scorers in the Patriots - Raiders game? Apparently the first game in history where all scorers have been 'kowskis'.

Rob Gronkowski and Steven Gostkowski scored for the Pats. Sebastian Janikowski kicked the Raiders points. The Pole Bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2014, 02:23:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
Did anyone notice the surnames of the scorers in the Patriots - Raiders game? Apparently the first game in history where all scorers have been 'kowskis'.

Rob Gronkowski and Steven Gostkowski scored for the Pats. Sebastian Janikowski kicked the Raiders points. The Pole Bowl.

They do love keeping track of their stats! Why anyone would have the information to verify or refute that is beyond me.
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Post by: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
It is a bit of an oddity though. I suppose that's why someone noticed. All you'd have to do then is look for the players with kowski and run some query on scorers in matches. Not that hard I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2014, 05:54:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 23, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
It is a bit of an oddity though. I suppose that's why someone noticed. All you'd have to do then is look for the players with kowski and run some query on scorers in matches. Not that hard I'd say.

True. That would require you to both find it particularly interesting and notable personally and also believe that your viewers would care hearing about it to go the effort of writing the query and publishing the results though!

Don't get me wrong, I love American Football and the NBA but sometimes the stats they come up with are bizarre. E.g., in basketball when highlighting somebody's box score they might tell you that Player X was the only one to go 31-13-7 over the last 17 games. Very strange frames of reference sometimes.
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Post by: magpie seanie on September 24, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
Watched a recording of the MNF game last evening. Was happy to see the Bears defense is improved despite a long injury list again. They're giving up tons of yardage but not touchdowns. DL getting pressure on QB's makes everyone's job that little bit easier. Jared Allen's battle with D'brickashaw Ferguson was excellent, Allen getting on top near the end was key. Willie Young looks a bad man. Paea, Sutton and Ego Ferguson having impact in the middle. Promising.

Jets are pretty badass on defense with all those creative blitzes. Bears o-line held up well in protection even if the run game was a bust.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 25, 2014, 04:10:58 AM
The Jets defense is only strong up front. Their backfield is very average, they won't allow much on the ground, but teams will keep at it, just to get at their DB,s.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2014, 04:18:11 AM
Some fairytale ending for Derek Jeter's final game at Yankee Stadium tonight.

And a huge performance from Eli Manning tonight as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 26, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2014, 04:18:11 AM
Some fairytale ending for Derek Jeter's final game at Yankee Stadium tonight.

And a huge performance from Eli Manning tonight as well

Just when you're sure Eli is a donkey ha starts playing well. Made a tough call between Niles Paul and Larry donnell in one of my fantasy leagues last night. No prizes for guessing who I went with!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 26, 2014, 09:27:34 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 26, 2014, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2014, 04:18:11 AM
Some fairytale ending for Derek Jeter's final game at Yankee Stadium tonight.

And a huge performance from Eli Manning tonight as well

Just when you're sure Eli is a donkey ha starts playing well. Made a tough call between Niles Paul and Larry donnell in one of my fantasy leagues last night. No prizes for guessing who I went with!

There was a really good article on Grantland last week about the abuse Eli was taking after the Week 2 loss. Pointed out that is absolutely wasn't his fault - o-line and receivers failed him completely.

Eli has taken knocks and stick throughout his career but has always come back from any shakiness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 05, 2014, 12:36:02 AM
Ole Miss knock off No. 3 Bama, the No. 4 Sooners lose to TCU, No. 6 Texas A&M lost to Miss St. and No. 2 Oregon got wrecked for the second season in a row by Arizona on Thursday night..

No. 5 Auburn 17 up at home to No.15 LSU right now.. maybe it's the Tigers' moment.

Ole Miss have made their first 5-0 start since their infamous 1962 season. Anyone that hasn't watched the 30 for 30 doc Ghosts of Ole Miss should have a gander now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 05, 2014, 03:10:47 AM
Auburn are in the catbird seat, stuffing the Bayou Bengals at the minute.  Frankly, the Noles have not impressed me so far, even with an easy win against Weak Forest.  Curious to see how today's upsets affect other 1-loss teams. Norte Dame got a quality win over Stanford, as well. Look forward to the Auburn-Miss. St. upcoming game--Each should be highly ranked unbeaten teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 05, 2014, 08:30:11 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 05, 2014, 12:36:02 AM
Anyone that hasn't watched the 30 for 30 doc Ghosts of Ole Miss should have a gander now.

Great shout.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 05, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 05, 2014, 03:10:47 AM
Auburn are in the catbird seat, stuffing the Bayou Bengals at the minute.  Frankly, the Noles have not impressed me so far, even with an easy win against Weak Forest.  Curious to see how today's upsets affect other 1-loss teams. Norte Dame got a quality win over Stanford, as well. Look forward to the Auburn-Miss. St. upcoming game--Each should be highly ranked unbeaten teams.

Could easily be No. 2 visiting No. 3. Auburn's run is murdeous - five of this six game stretch (LSU included) are again ranked (and highly ranked at that) teams. If Auburn make it to the playoffs they'll have earnt it.

They do look better and more balanced than last year, but with that schedule they'd need to be.

Winston seems to be losing the plot a little in Tally but given how much better than the rest of the ACC the 'Noles are they still are a good bet for the playoffs and things could be very different in December and January.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 05, 2014, 05:35:14 PM
I've just been reading a little bit about the Washington Redskins name controversy. It's incredible that in the year 2014 they are still refusing to change it, despite requests from several Native American groups who find it offensive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 05, 2014, 09:43:05 PM
Some unreal finishes to the early games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 05, 2014, 05:35:14 PM
I've just been reading a little bit about the Washington Redskins name controversy. It's incredible that in the year 2014 they are still refusing to change it, despite requests from several Native American groups who find it offensive.

PC nonsense if you ask me. Should Notre Dame's nickname be changed? Very negative connotations towards Irish people.....  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
It is a tricky one though Seanie. If Notre Dame were the Fighting Micks, it wouldn't be as accepted I think. Also, this is referring to their skin colour. The Chicago Negroes wouldn't be very acceptable either.

I assume it's the skin colour that's the problem, as I haven't heard much about the Chiefs, or the Braves in Baseball. I think there was some hassle with the Cleveland Indians alright, but again it seemed to be based on the fact that their mascot was very 'cartoon indian' type.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 06, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
I've read a lot about it and I reckon it's pure PC gone mad crap. What about your Cardinals? Think of all of them that did nothing to stop paedophile priests*?  :P And as for Bears - Bears have killed people. Such a sick nickname to have on a team. victims of Bear violence really shouldn't have to put up with this affront.

If you twist things and deliberately take them out of context (* I am aware a Cardinal is a bird in the AZ team nickname) you can make anything seem offensive. These are bloody team nicknames and as the Redskins owner says - it is worn as a badge of honour by their organisation.

The most offensive thing about the Redskins is that they pretty much stink at football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
My old English teacher (RIP) used to tell me I was being facetious, with fair regularity. I think you are being facetious now :)

I don't think a nickname like the Chicago Negroes or Dallas Blackfaces would be allowed. And that's why I think Redskins is offensive to some.

Nothing to do with Bears, Cardinals, Lions or Vikings.

As I said, there appears to be several other team names which don't cause much hassle, like the Chiefs, Blackhawks, Braves, Seminoles, Utes etc. None of them refer to the tribes in a derogatory way. Redskin is very similar to Negro or Nigger in it's usage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on October 06, 2014, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 06, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
And as for Bears - Bears have killed people. Such a sick nickname to have on a team. victims of Bear violence really shouldn't have to put up with this affront.

If you think about it the Chicago Bears is offensive to the gay community.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 06, 2014, 05:06:57 PM
Seanie, I'm with AZ on this one.  I think the issue extends beyond PCness and into a recognition of how some of these nicknames and logos genuinely offend the peoples on whom they're based.  You bring up the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, and there probably would be a move to ban the name and logo if a groundswell of Irish people found them offensive and complained forcefully to the NCAA about the matter.  As far as I know, no one has ever raised a serious voice of protest on the issue.  Frankly, I'm not calling for their removal, but I do find the idiotic logo and the feckin' leprechaun mascot irritating.

As a longtime Cleveland Indians fan, I've always been bothered by the Chief Wahoo mascot.  Far from honouring a Native American called Sockalexis, as some proponents argue, it demeans all Indians, in the same way that cartoon images of ape-like Irish did in years past.  And though 70% of Clevelanders favour the retention of the symbol, they are not the ones being ridiculed by his big nose and leering smile.

AZ mentions the FSU Seminoles, but there's a difference here.  The Seminole people of Florida and Oklahoma have approved of FSU's use of Chief Osceola as their mascot.  In fact, before each game Chief Osceola rides out on an Apaloosa, brandishing a flaming spear, and drives the spear into the face of mascot painted at centre field.  As far as I know, the Seminole people have been consulted about the clothes, face paint and feathers that the human mascot wears.  I do have to admit, though, that it's a little odd to be honouring a Seminole chief by driving a spear into his face, not to mention having thousands in attendance doing the tomahawk chop.

On a separate note, I've always thought that Notre Dame should be called the Squabbling French since the university was founded by Moreau and Dujarie, two Frenchmen.

And on a final note, maybe Muslims in Belfast should rise up and object to the name of the Irish League soccer team Crusaders.  Now I'm being facetious.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 06, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 06, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
My old English teacher (RIP) used to tell me I was being facetious, with fair regularity. I think you are being facetious now :)

I don't think a nickname like the Chicago Negroes or Dallas Blackfaces would be allowed. And that's why I think Redskins is offensive to some.

Nothing to do with Bears, Cardinals, Lions or Vikings.

As I said, there appears to be several other team names which don't cause much hassle, like the Chiefs, Blackhawks, Braves, Seminoles, Utes etc. None of them refer to the tribes in a derogatory way. Redskin is very similar to Negro or Nigger in it's usage.

It is, but it isn't. Wife and I were just discussing this last night while watching the Chiefs. I have never heard the word Redskin be used in any context other than to address the football team. Same cannot be said of the other two in the bolded sentence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 06, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
Puck, apart from it being used to identify colleges or sports team, the only time I ever heard the term "Redskin" being used was in Westerns I watched in the 60s.  Invariably, it was used to denote the "baddies," those wild barbarians hellbent on kidnapping, raping, pillaging and, of course, scalping the civilized white folk.  I imagine that's why Native Americans are offended by the word.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2014, 06:13:56 PM
Exactly Oraisteach. Puck, I think *today* you seldom hear people talk about the 'red' man or redskins, but historically that's exactly what it was, a term, usually derogatory, to identify the Indian tribes as 'Redskins'. Sames as the other terms I used, although I accept that the usage of the Redskin term is generally confined to old Cowboy movies. That doesn't change it's origins though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 07, 2014, 02:19:58 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 06, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 05, 2014, 05:35:14 PM
I've just been reading a little bit about the Washington Redskins name controversy. It's incredible that in the year 2014 they are still refusing to change it, despite requests from several Native American groups who find it offensive.

PC nonsense if you ask me. Should Notre Dame's nickname be changed? Very negative connotations towards Irish people.....  ::)

Don't agree at all. Just because it took decades for society to cop on to the offensiveness of using a derogatory ethnic name for a team doesn't mean it should be allowed to continue. The n-word was considered acceptable for much longer that the Washington team has existed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on October 07, 2014, 05:15:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 06, 2014, 02:38:38 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 05, 2014, 05:35:14 PM
I've just been reading a little bit about the Washington Redskins name controversy. It's incredible that in the year 2014 they are still refusing to change it, despite requests from several Native American groups who find it offensive.

PC nonsense if you ask me. Should Notre Dame's nickname be changed? Very negative connotations towards Irish people.....  ::)

yep, the whole redskins fiasco was really started as a lawsuit to try get some cash out of the franchise by some enterprising fellows.
get the liberal media on-board with a story and boom...they get hold of something that is perceived as offensive and run with it. it sells papers and gets viewers.


How come all of a sudden huge numbers of people get offended by the name of a team. You would swear its the first time they have heard it.
there lies the power of suggestion via the press. we seems to have a few on this board who gets sucked in too.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on October 07, 2014, 05:44:49 AM
The majority of native Americans don't want the name to change but that fact seems to be overlooked. And honestly would a team adopt a name they thought was derogatory. That would suggest their thought process was "let's use the name of a people we think are below us for our team, that will really inspire our players".

But if the few get their way, Dan Snyder could always change it to the Washington Pioneers or maybe Washington Frontiersmen, in a strange echo of history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2014, 09:14:05 AM
Quote from: thejuice on October 07, 2014, 05:44:49 AM
The majority of native Americans don't want the name to change but that fact seems to be overlooked. And honestly would a team adopt a name they thought was derogatory. That would suggest their thought process was "let's use the name of a people we think are below us for our team, that will really inspire our players".

But if the few get their way, Dan Snyder could always change it to the Washington Pioneers or maybe Washington Frontiersmen, in a strange echo of history.
Is that true? If so, then it should stay. I don't find Redskins offensive, how could I? I just can see how people would. And juice, the Washington Redskins were founded in 1932. There's a lot of stuff went on in 1932 and later in America that wouldn't exactly adhere to today's standards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 08, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
It's probably true that the majority of Native Americans aren't upset by it but a lot of Native Americans have come out and said they find it offensive and want it changed. I don't think it's for us to say whether they should be offended or not, but I can see why they would be and if some of them find it offensive, I think it should be changed.
I don't think the minority should be ignored.

I'm not always politically correct myself but I think it's wrong that political correctness has taken on such a negative meaning. PC isn't all bad. When you look at how far we've come in the last 50 years, from extreme racism and total segregation to near-equality and togetherness, a lot of that is down to political correctness(learning not to use the n word for example, or make jokes about stereotypes). The term redskin has many similarities to the n word.  Although it is claimed to be and probably was intended as a tribute, in history it was often used as a derogatory term.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 08, 2014, 03:38:24 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 08, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
It's probably true that the majority of Native Americans aren't upset by it but a lot of Native Americans have come out and said they find it offensive and want it changed. I don't think it's for us to say whether they should be offended or not, but I can see why they would be and if some of them find it offensive, I think it should be changed.
I don't think the minority should be ignored.

I'm not always politically correct myself but I think it's wrong that political correctness has taken on such a negative meaning. PC isn't all bad. When you look at how far we've come in the last 50 years, from extreme racism and total segregation to near-equality and togetherness, a lot of that is down to political correctness(learning not to use the n word for example, or make jokes about stereotypes). The term redskin has many similarities to the n word.  Although it is claimed to be and probably was intended as a tribute, in history it was often used as a derogatory term.

Exactly,  it's a bit cheeky and presumptuous for a bunch of white people to tell some other ethnic or racial group what names used to label them are and are not offensive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
JJ Watt is absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 10, 2014, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
JJ Watt is absolutely ridiculous.

I was just about to post the same thing. Completely ridiculous. MVP for the season so far without a doubt. He has 3 flippin TD's!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2014, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
JJ Watt is absolutely ridiculous.

I was just about to post the same thing. Completely ridiculous. MVP for the season so far without a doubt. He has 3 flippin TD's!!!!!!!

Saw a tweet that his 3 is more than Shady McCoy, Megatron and Larry Fitz combined. If he keeps form up, he'll have to be in MVP mix but would the AP be brave enough to go for a defensive player?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 10, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2014, 10:01:27 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
JJ Watt is absolutely ridiculous.

I was just about to post the same thing. Completely ridiculous. MVP for the season so far without a doubt. He has 3 flippin TD's!!!!!!!

Saw a tweet that his 3 is more than Shady McCoy, Megatron and Larry Fitz combined. If he keeps form up, he'll have to be in MVP mix but would the AP be brave enough to go for a defensive player?

I think they would in Watt's case. He has the profile, the off field oersona and there is a cult of Watt. Everyone knows who he is, so I think he has the profile to overcome any issues about being a defender. Anyway, he caught a TD pass as a TE, so he's not just defense :)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 10, 2014, 11:29:11 AM
http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/ (http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/)

That's a great Grantland article I read on him during the summer. Spent months of his offseason kipping on a friend's mattress in Wisconsin so he could workout twice a day in his home gym. The guy is an absolute freak.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 11, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
Getting excited for No. 2 Auburn @ No. 3 Mississippi St. now. Incredible story for Mississippi State to rise so high after so many years of being lunch for the established powers. The definition of what makes college football fantastic, really.

Given everyone is beating everyone else a loss here won't end these two undefeated teams' chances of making the SEC title game or the play-offs but it will leave them hanging by a thread, particularly Auburn's who have a run-in from hell. Go Tigers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 12, 2014, 12:41:57 AM
Auburn nearly pulled an Auburn, but it's hard to overcome four turnovers.  Amused at a Miss. State sign: "Win or Lose, At Least We Don't Live in Alabama!"  They do know that they're from Mississippi, right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 12, 2014, 12:47:11 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 12, 2014, 12:41:57 AM
Auburn nearly pulled an Auburn, but it's hard to overcome four turnovers.  Amused at a Miss. State sign: "Win or Lose, At Least We Don't Live in Alabama!"  They do know that they're from Mississippi, right?

Miss St. were just better. Auburn owned the 3rd quarter yet only managed a TD. Would be rooting for Miss St. in almost any other game, though of course I want them to lose to bring Auburn back into SEC contention. They look totally legit and aren't fluking their way to these wins.

Interesting times ahead. SEC is such a brutally competive conference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 13, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
Huge win for the Cowboys, hope the 49ers take advantage of Seahawks loss tomorrow, esp as Arizona won and look good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 13, 2014, 12:36:19 AM
Jumped the Gun on Cards, still should win though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 13, 2014, 02:09:43 AM
Also a huge win for the Browns. 1-18 against Roethlisberger until today.  Go Browns!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 13, 2014, 04:51:25 AM
Eagles shutout NY Giants 27-0. Jets last week with the big zero noe the Giants this week, ye couldn't make it up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 09:31:16 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 13, 2014, 12:36:19 AM
Jumped the Gun on Cards, still should win though

Yeah, hung in there and won it. 4-1 on the season, but really scraping together wins. It's a great job by Arians so far in fairness, when you consider the injuries and suspensions they are dealing with. The Defense just keeps giving up big plays, and then shutting the other team down. Last night they had 3 interceptions in 4 4th quarter Washington possessions. If they get offense and defense playing well together at the same time, someone is going to get an awful trimming.

I know everyone in the NFL gets injuries, its just part of the game, but this was the Cardinals injury report on Friday. Their defensive front is decimated.

Linebacker Matt Shaughnessy (knee) and punter Dave Zastudil (groin) joined linebacker John Abraham (concussion) and defensive tackle Darnell Dockett (knee) on the IR this week. Defensive end Calais Campbell (knee) and rookie tight end Troy Niklas (ankle) are out. And as many as seven others could be questionable: quarterbacks Carson Palmer (shoulder) and Drew Stanton (concussion), guard Paul Fanaika (calf/ankle), running back Andre Ellington (foot) linebacker Glenn Carson (ankle) and cornerbacks Patrick Peterson (ankle) and Justin Bethel (shoulder).

Two others, linebacker Daryl Washington and running back Jonathan Dwyer, are serving suspensions.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on October 13, 2014, 11:29:40 AM
It's not easy being a Dolphins fan these days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 13, 2014, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 13, 2014, 11:29:40 AM
It's not easy being a Dolphins fan these days.

Sense of inevitability watching Rodgers march up like that, especially when with the 4 point gap in was all or nothing. The speed of that that final play was incredible.

Cowboys were an awful lot better than that scoreline suggested. 17 Seattle points came after a blocked punt, a muffed punt and a recovered fumble from an early snap. Seattle's offense didn't fire at all today. Was interesting to see throwing against Sherman when Bryant was up against. Think he took him for about 65 yards by the end of it. Is Demarco Murray an early MVP candidate?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Sherman only gave up 2 receptions to Bryant I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 03:58:05 PM
By the way, I was watching the Cardinals - Redskins game on NFL Gamepass and there was old Snyder, the Redskins owner, sitting in a box with the Chief of the Navajo nation, a tribe mainly based in Arizona. In no way political I'm sure. I was just disgusted the Chief was wearing a Redskins cap, as was his wife!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 13, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Sherman only gave up 2 receptions to Bryant I think.

And a couple of PI's but it was a great battle throughout.

DeMarco Murray is an MVP candidate, amazing to equal Jim Brown by having first 6 consecu100+ yard rushing games. It has to be said though his offensive line is probably the best in the NFL right now though. Yesterday was particularly impressive against Seattle's tough run defense. Eventually the pressure told. Cowboys were excellent all round. Their defense was supposed to be crap, even worse than last year, but has looked good so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 13, 2014, 10:16:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 13, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Sherman only gave up 2 receptions to Bryant I think.

And a couple of PI's but it was a great battle throughout.

DeMarco Murray is an MVP candidate, amazing to equal Jim Brown by having first 6 consecu100+ yard rushing games. It has to be said though his offensive line is probably the best in the NFL right now though. Yesterday was particularly impressive against Seattle's tough run defense. Eventually the pressure told. Cowboys were excellent all round. Their defense was supposed to be crap, even worse than last year, but has looked good so far.

Be interesting to see if Murray can keep that pace up, probably not and the Cowboys may have to lessen the load as he is on course for 425 rushing attempts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 14, 2014, 05:21:52 AM
A healthy Murray and a half decent defense is massive for Romo. Before this, for the Cowboys to win games, Romo would have needed 375 yards and 4 scores ! Just look at last years game with the Broncos. Doesn't seem to be under as much pressure, and if they stay healthy they will be a serious threat in the NFC. They are very talented in all the skill positions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on October 14, 2014, 07:09:44 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 13, 2014, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Sherman only gave up 2 receptions to Bryant I think.

And a couple of PI's but it was a great battle throughout.

DeMarco Murray is an MVP candidate, amazing to equal Jim Brown by having first 6 consecu100+ yard rushing games. It has to be said though his offensive line is probably the best in the NFL right now though. Yesterday was particularly impressive against Seattle's tough run defense. Eventually the pressure told. Cowboys were excellent all round. Their defense was supposed to be crap, even worse than last year, but has looked good so far.

JJ Watt for me has been the stand out so far this year. Obviously history is against him as a defensive player for MVP but he is a force of nature. Indy were doubling and tripling up on him last week and he had sacks, tackles, batted balls everything. He is one of these players that you have no doubt could play anywhere.

The Cowboys did thier best to get out of Seattle with a loss, mainly due to Special Team frailties. That said, it was a complete performance on offense and defense. Roma's throw rolling out for the spectacular williams catch on the sideline at 1&20 is one of the the plays of the year so far.

Oh, and Aaron Rogers....thats why he gets the big bucks! :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2014, 12:15:56 AM
Looking forward to Notre Dame Florida St game. Hoping Irish can keep it tight.  Getting 9.5 points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 19, 2014, 12:46:28 AM
Can someone explain to me why the seahawks would trade Percy Harvin, man is lights out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 19, 2014, 02:16:25 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 19, 2014, 12:46:28 AM
Can someone explain to me why the seahawks would trade Percy Harvin, man is lights out.

Tell that to his stats and his injury record. Did next to nothing this year despite being healthy. It all made him a huge liability with the big contract they gave him when they traded for him.

And this.. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report--percy-harvin-had-altercations-with-teammates-golden-tate--doug-baldwin-152928699.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 19, 2014, 05:01:57 AM
Irish lose thriller on disallowed TD caused by offensive interference.  Thought it was poor call myself, defender clearly is pulling the Notre Dame players jersey.  Winston stepped up and had a great second half.  Irish should still make playoff.  Great game and credit to both sides.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 19, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
It would be a bit of a joke if ND made the play-offs if there are any other one loss SEC teams left besides the conference champions.

The only thing that should save ND is even more carnage in the SEC - FSU and the SEC champs are locks. Big 10/12, PAC-12 champs will be in the mix for the third and fourth spots too.

Only games on ND's schedule that are meaningful are Arizona State and a barely ranked USC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on October 19, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 19, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
It would be a bit of a joke if ND made the play-offs if there are any other one loss SEC teams left besides the conference champions.

The only thing that should save ND is even more carnage in the SEC - FSU and the SEC champs are locks. Big 10/12, PAC-12 champs will be in the mix for the fourth spot too.

Only games on ND's schedule that are meaningful are Arizona State and a barely ranked USC.

Can't agree with this Syferus. ND we're beat by umpires call last night (a call that was 50/50), against prob no 1 team in the country in Tallahassee, hardly a reason to discount a team from the playoffs.

Whilst think any 1 loss sec team deserves to be in, think ND deserves a shot as much as the PAC 12 and Big 10/12 champion. Whilst their schedule is easier than was thought at start of year, it's hardly a cakewalk.

Interesting though that ND's independent status might come back to haunt them as playoff committee may prefer to choose 1 loss conference champion over ND
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 19, 2014, 08:39:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2014, 03:58:05 PM
By the way, I was watching the Cardinals - Redskins game on NFL Gamepass and there was old Snyder, the Redskins owner, sitting in a box with the Chief of the Navajo nation, a tribe mainly based in Arizona. In no way political I'm sure. I was just disgusted the Chief was wearing a Redskins cap, as was his wife!
[/quote

Really?

The last remaining veterans who served in world war two that were Navajo
Support the redskins and are disgusted at the political machine driving the
No more redskins brigade.

Why no outrage at that stupid fecking leprechaun at Notre Dame?

Is Notre Dame guilty of racism against the Irish people?

The pc brigade are hypocrites on this issue, double standards and by the way, the windtalker and his wife are lifelong fans of the skins and are proud of the name.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 19, 2014, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: stringbean on October 19, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 19, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
It would be a bit of a joke if ND made the play-offs if there are any other one loss SEC teams left besides the conference champions.

The only thing that should save ND is even more carnage in the SEC - FSU and the SEC champs are locks. Big 10/12, PAC-12 champs will be in the mix for the fourth spot too.

Only games on ND's schedule that are meaningful are Arizona State and a barely ranked USC.

Can't agree with this Syferus. ND we're beat by umpires call last night (a call that was 50/50), against prob no 1 team in the country in Tallahassee, hardly a reason to discount a team from the playoffs.

Whilst think any 1 loss sec team deserves to be in, think ND deserves a shot as much as the PAC 12 and Big 10/12 champion. Whilst their schedule is easier than was thought at start of year, it's hardly a cakewalk.

Interesting though that ND's independent status might come back to haunt them as playoff committee may prefer to choose 1 loss conference champion over ND
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 19, 2014, 09:01:02 PM
Chargers really motoring this year. Rivers and Gates rolling back the years.

Probably scudded them now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 20, 2014, 12:05:33 AM
...and wouldn't you know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 20, 2014, 02:47:47 AM
Peyton Manning breaks the record.  The man is a machine and has ripped apart the 49ers so far tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on October 20, 2014, 03:45:13 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 19, 2014, 12:32:42 PM
It would be a bit of a joke if ND made the play-offs if there are any other one loss SEC teams left besides the conference champions.

the consensus seems to be that they'd need Oregon to lose in order to make the play offs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 20, 2014, 04:39:28 AM
Shane, before today, the Chargers last 3 opponents were Jacksonville, the jets and the raiders. Absolute dung . They are playing for a wild card, and they have no running game. Teams will soon get wise to Brandon Oliver. 10-6 , gone in the wild card week....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 20, 2014, 01:16:04 PM
Fair play to Manning. 510 TD passes in his career so far, and the new all time Passing TD record holder. He's a machine in the regular season. I'd like to see him win another superbowl before he retires, because his post season record doesn't add up with the rest of his HOF career.

The Cardinals keep on trucking as well, 5-1 on the season now. First time since 1976 I think. Their schedule is going to get tougher from now on, but they've given themselves a chance, with a horrendous injury list all season. The niners and seahawks have both lost 3 games now, so the cards have a good base to build from, but they might do well to win 5 more games out of the last 10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 20, 2014, 05:32:14 PM
Well past time for a bit of soul searching in Chicago. How can an offense with Forte, Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett and a pretty good o-line end up with only 14 points? The obvious answer is the QB and while he has his bad moments I think he is more than good enough to run this offense well. I follow them closely and frankly some of the play calling is just bizarre. I think the offensive co-ordinator & head coach are getting way too cute with some of the stuff they're trying. They're either totally predicatable or totally wrong and waaayyy too conservative given the players at their disposal.

The defense is beat up again but just about hanging in there, the re-tooled defensive line largely to thank for that.

Three defeats at home have nearly ended the season already with road games against the Patriots, the fudge and the Lions still to come. So disappointed but things can change quickly in the NFL - look at the Cleveland Browns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 21, 2014, 05:36:29 AM
I like Manning , but the staged celebration after the record passing TD was nauseating . Who the f**k rehearses something like that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 21, 2014, 09:15:29 AM
Which one, the piggy in the middle thing?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 21, 2014, 10:44:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 21, 2014, 09:15:29 AM
Which one, the piggy in the middle thing?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/oct/20/peyton-manning-broncos-keep-away-celebration-record-breaking-touchdown

I didn't find it nauseating, rather quite funny, but agree that practicing a celebration is a bit pathetic. American Football is dreadful for it (although I did love the TO/Emmett Smith/TO trio of celebrations on top of the star in Dallas).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 21, 2014, 10:49:58 AM
It looked a bit sad to be honest, but he has a history of a bit of a zaney sense of humour and being able to poke fun at himself. Some of the ads he does are quite funny, as is that Peyton Manning speaks Irish thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 21, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
Loved the Rams win over the Seahawks.

The fake punt at the end was incredibly ballsy.

But the fake punt return (for want of a better phrase) earlier on was my highlight of the year so far. Maybe others have done it in the past, but its the first time I've seen anything like it and I thought it was fantastic!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 21, 2014, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 21, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
Loved the Rams win over the Seahawks.

The fake punt at the end was incredibly ballsy.

But the fake punt return (for want of a better phrase) earlier on was my highlight of the year so far. Maybe others have done it in the past, but its the first time I've seen anything like it and I thought it was fantastic!

For the NFL Champions to be caught out by a play like that is incredible. It just shows how programmed the players are that they can't even use their eyes on the field to make an individual decision.

Serious offensive play though and whoever came up with it obviously knew the Seahawks would blindly follow the dummy receiver and where the blockers were going. Fair play to that man!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2014, 11:05:52 PM
Quote from: screenexile on October 21, 2014, 04:56:19 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 21, 2014, 04:51:59 PM
Loved the Rams win over the Seahawks.

The fake punt at the end was incredibly ballsy.

But the fake punt return (for want of a better phrase) earlier on was my highlight of the year so far. Maybe others have done it in the past, but its the first time I've seen anything like it and I thought it was fantastic!

For the NFL Champions to be caught out by a play like that is incredible. It just shows how programmed the players are that they can't even use their eyes on the field to make an individual decision.

Serious offensive play though and whoever came up with it obviously knew the Seahawks would blindly follow the dummy receiver and where the blockers were going. Fair play to that man!!

The Bears did it a few years ago - Johnny Knox took it back when everyone was watching Devin Hester pretend he caught the ball. It was called back for a penalty though.

To be fair it would be difficult to follow the flight of a punted ball when you're trying to avoid a blocker and bomb it downfield.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 26, 2014, 03:20:11 AM
I fall in and out of love with baseball. Enjoying this world series, it helps that your kids are sick and I can make an excuse to stay up and watch. Go Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 29, 2014, 01:00:22 PM
Watched a few games this week courtesy of pirate bay.
Dallas v Washington - Not being wise after the event cos I thought it when he was coming back in, but it was crazy to bring Tony Romo back after he got a heavy knock, especially when Weeden had come in and done really well. The team should come before Romo's ego, but it didn't here. Colt McCoy?? did well for Washington after a shaky start. He may be a better option than RG3 (wouldn't be hard) for the rest of the year. He's quick and a decent passer. DeSean Jackson is phenomenal. One of the best WRs around.

Carolina v Seattle - Great to see Sherman getting some comeuppance. He wasn't able for Fredericks, who has it all. Cam is an amazing athlete but he's not the brightest, especially in the red zone. He should probably cut down on celebrating first downs, until he starts winning more games. I think Carolina fans are getting sick of him.

Broncos v Chargers - The Broncos have gotten better and look as unstoppable as the Dubs did before the Donegal game. Even at the really short price of 9/4 for the Superbowl, they look a good bet to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
No harm Asal, but if you think Colt McCoy is a better bet than a fit RGIII, then I don't know what to say to you. As regards Romo, I don't think it was ego as such, I think it is the whole macho 'I'm a leader of this team and my men need me' type reaction which is drilled into these guys, especially the QBs, since they are kids.

Agree about the Broncos, they look very good, however I'd hold off on going all in on them just yet. Manning's playoff record always sticks in my head, and while Denver will be very hard to beat at home, if they end up not getting homefield, and have to go somewhere like Baltimore or New England, watch out. Their schedule has been very favourable so far. They've played 7 games, and 5 of them have been at home!! They've played, and beaten, the Colts, Chiefs, Cardinals, 49ers and Chargers at him, and they've beaten the Jets away. Their only tough away game, they've lost, in Seattle. It looked like a 'good' loss compared to the Superbowl, Seattle's form since has thrown that into doubt a little bit.

Their remaining schedule is obviously going to be weighted towards away games, and there are some challenging ones for them. They are @ Patriots, @Raiders, @Rams, v Dolphins @ Chiefs, v Bills, @Chargers, @Bengals, v Raiders. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they end 15-1, but it's also not crazy to suggest they might finish 12-4 or thereabouts. That might not be good enough for homefield all the way through.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:17:58 PM
On a separate football topic,(NCAA) what do people think of the first rankings out from the new playoff committee? For those that don't know, they are tasked with selecting, at the end of the regular season, the 'ranking' of the teams for the end of season bowls and national championships. The most important are the top 4, who will play the national semi finals and final.

Their first rankings are a little bit meaningless because with so many big games to come, it's going to change as people lose, but I wonder what the thoughts are on the initial rankings? SEC is obviously the best conference, but they will eat themselves, and I'm surprised that Auburn and Ole Miss are in there. Ole Miss especially after losing to LSU in Baton Rouge.

Committee rankings are
1 - Mississippi State
2 - Florida State
3 - Auburn
4 - Ole Miss

My rankings would be
1 - Mississippi State
2 - Florida State
3 - Oregon
4 - Alabama

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 29, 2014, 01:26:47 PM
Until one of those SEC teams have more loses than Orgeon it'd be insane to put the Ducks ahead of them, AZ. The Pac-12 champions might make the third or fourth spot, but they need a good bit to go right for them too.

For me, the dream is Auburn and Bama going undefeated to the Iron Bowl (last regular season game for both). It might mean Auburn, even if they won, wouldn't get into the SEC championship game (assuming Bama beats Miss State on the way, Miss State would have the tie-breaker over Auburn if they won their other games) but the voters would be hard pressed to ignore Auburn for one of the four spots. Of course if Bama win out they're in the SEC championship game regardless.

The SEC West is murder though - No. 3 Auburn are going to Oxford to play No.4 Ole Miss this weekend. Neither can afford to lose another game if they want to remain in the race.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:32:30 PM
Oregon's O-Line had a lot of injuries when Arizona beat them, and if Arizona hadn't beaten them they'd be in there no doubt, so I just think they deserve to be. There's no doubt the SEC will beat each other, so if Oregon run the table, they have to be in there. I know you don't think much of the PAC-12, but ASU, UofA, Utah and UCLA are all in the top 25, so if Oregon wins that conference at 11-1 or whatever, I think they have to be there. They beat Michigan State as well.

Georgia might be a dark horse. They should win the SEC East, and if they do, and beat the SEC West team in the SEC game, you'd nearly have to put them in.

I expect Florida State will win out, and be there, unless Louisville trips them up. If they lose, they are gone because the ACC is weak.

Notre Dame will feel hard done by to drop to 10th. They couldn't expect to be in the top 4, but they lost narrowly to #2 and seem to have been punished a lot for that. They're paying for Stanford and Michigan being regarded poorly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 29, 2014, 01:39:35 PM
Georgia's rivalry game with Auburn will tell us a lot about them. A lot was made of the 'Prayer at Jordan-Hare' that won the match-up last year but Auburn had that game sown up with ten or fifteen minutes to go, they let Georgia back into it big time and they're a better side this year, just as Georgia are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:46:59 PM
Your man is back for Georgia too for that game. The suspended running back. Yeah, if Georgia lose to Auburn, and still win the SEC championship, would a 2 loss SEC Champion get in? They'd have to surely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 29, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:32:30 PM


Notre Dame will feel hard done by to drop to 10th. They couldn't expect to be in the top 4, but they lost narrowly to #2 and seem to have been punished a lot for that. They're paying for Stanford and Michigan being regarded poorly.

Should they also not have beat Florida State only for a dodgy call at the end?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 29, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
No harm Asal, but if you think Colt McCoy is a better bet than a fit RGIII, then I don't know what to say to you. As regards Romo, I don't think it was ego as such, I think it is the whole macho 'I'm a leader of this team and my men need me' type reaction which is drilled into these guys, especially the QBs, since they are kids.

Agree about the Broncos, they look very good, however I'd hold off on going all in on them just yet. Manning's playoff record always sticks in my head, and while Denver will be very hard to beat at home, if they end up not getting homefield, and have to go somewhere like Baltimore or New England, watch out. Their schedule has been very favourable so far. They've played 7 games, and 5 of them have been at home!! They've played, and beaten, the Colts, Chiefs, Cardinals, 49ers and Chargers at him, and they've beaten the Jets away. Their only tough away game, they've lost, in Seattle. It looked like a 'good' loss compared to the Superbowl, Seattle's form since has thrown that into doubt a little bit.

Their remaining schedule is obviously going to be weighted towards away games, and there are some challenging ones for them. They are @ Patriots, @Raiders, @Rams, v Dolphins @ Chiefs, v Bills, @Chargers, @Bengals, v Raiders. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they end 15-1, but it's also not crazy to suggest they might finish 12-4 or thereabouts. That might not be good enough for homefield all the way through.
Good point re Denver's schedule and maybe I'll wait and see for a while on that one.

I'm sticking to my guns about McCoy and RGIII though. I know RG3 has a huge profile and reputation, but I can only go on what I've seen of him and anytime I've seen him play in the last 2 years he was woeful and looked less mobile and elusive than McCoy was against Dallas. I'd have RG3 as the most over rated sportsman in the world, since Beckham left the scene. He'll be back soon to prove me right anyway.  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 30, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Giants World Series Champs!!!! 3 in 5 years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 30, 2014, 03:44:38 AM
The City will burn tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 30, 2014, 04:24:24 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 30, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
Giants World Series Champs!!!! 3 in 5 years

Bumgarner was just untouchable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: waterfordlad on October 30, 2014, 08:14:05 AM
Well done to San Francisco Giants. I was at one of their games v LA Dodgers in April when visiting my brother in SF. I can't say I found the game too exciting but the game is very popular there and looks like some wild celebrations last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 30, 2014, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 29, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
No harm Asal, but if you think Colt McCoy is a better bet than a fit RGIII, then I don't know what to say to you. As regards Romo, I don't think it was ego as such, I think it is the whole macho 'I'm a leader of this team and my men need me' type reaction which is drilled into these guys, especially the QBs, since they are kids.

Agree about the Broncos, they look very good, however I'd hold off on going all in on them just yet. Manning's playoff record always sticks in my head, and while Denver will be very hard to beat at home, if they end up not getting homefield, and have to go somewhere like Baltimore or New England, watch out. Their schedule has been very favourable so far. They've played 7 games, and 5 of them have been at home!! They've played, and beaten, the Colts, Chiefs, Cardinals, 49ers and Chargers at him, and they've beaten the Jets away. Their only tough away game, they've lost, in Seattle. It looked like a 'good' loss compared to the Superbowl, Seattle's form since has thrown that into doubt a little bit.

Their remaining schedule is obviously going to be weighted towards away games, and there are some challenging ones for them. They are @ Patriots, @Raiders, @Rams, v Dolphins @ Chiefs, v Bills, @Chargers, @Bengals, v Raiders. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they end 15-1, but it's also not crazy to suggest they might finish 12-4 or thereabouts. That might not be good enough for homefield all the way through.
Good point re Denver's schedule and maybe I'll wait and see for a while on that one.

I'm sticking to my guns about McCoy and RGIII though. I know RG3 has a huge profile and reputation, but I can only go on what I've seen of him and anytime I've seen him play in the last 2 years he was woeful and looked less mobile and elusive than McCoy was against Dallas. I'd have RG3 as the most over rated sportsman in the world, since Beckham left the scene. He'll be back soon to prove me right anyway.  :)

If RG3 can get back to the form of his first season then it's a no-brainer but you're right, he has been painfully average since then. I would cut him a little slack for that though. He was obviously rushed back and was not ready for last season. His start this season was more worrying. Long term though it is hard to see Colt McCoy being a franchise quarterback. I think the Redskins need to establish for once and for all where they are with RG3 and that's another reason they have to start him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 30, 2014, 01:48:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 30, 2014, 08:48:44 AM
If RG3 can get back to the form of his first season then it's a no-brainer but you're right, he has been painfully average since then. I would cut him a little slack for that though. He was obviously rushed back and was not ready for last season. His start this season was more worrying. Long term though it is hard to see Colt McCoy being a franchise quarterback. I think the Redskins need to establish for once and for all where they are with RG3 and that's another reason they have to start him.
That's a good point Seanie. Long term RG3 is probably the only one of the two that could be the solution but I'm not sure he'll ever physically be right again. He really struggled to avoid sacks in 2013(in 2012 was sacked twice per game, up to 3 per game in 2013) and his rushing stats were way down, too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 30, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
He was coming back sooner than he should have from a horrible double cruciate injury. You see GAA players taking two years to get back to pre-injury levels, for all the money RG3's camp have pumped into getting him fit he's still only human. Too early to write him off.

McCoy got the short end of the stick in Cleveland, he's a solid QB and a good leader. Not great power in his arm but he's comparable to an Andy Dalton or a lesser Russell Wilson (under-sized, can move). He could start for a few teams in the league but now he's shown well he should be in the upper tier of back-ups in the league and after bouncing around the league for a while (ending up as a #3 QB) that's something in itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2014, 02:27:53 PM
Some performance in the playoffs by Madison Bumgarner - one for the ages 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 30, 2014, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 30, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
He was coming back sooner than he should have from a horrible double cruciate injury. You see GAA players taking two years to get back to pre-injury levels, for all the money RG3's camp have pumped into getting him fit he's still only human. Too early to write him off.

McCoy got the short end of the stick in Cleveland, he's a solid QB and a good leader. Not great power in his arm but he's comparable to an Andy Dalton or a lesser Russell Wilson (under-sized, can move). He could start for a few teams in the league but now he's shown well he should be in the upper tier of back-ups in the league and after bouncing around the league for a while (ending up as a #3 QB) that's something in itself.

That's true but they don't seem to have learned anything and are rushing him back again. Should have held off until after the bye week. I think the damage might be done already in any case. Imo he's lost a few percent physically that he'll never get back. McCoy deserves to start the next game in any case but you're right that the game against the Cowboys puts his career back on track. The Americans attach too much importance to having all the right physical attributes but a quick look around the league tells you it's mostly about what's between the ears.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on October 31, 2014, 02:12:41 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2014, 02:27:53 PM
Some performance in the playoffs by Madison Bumgarner - one for the ages

Brilliant. Fantastic series. The Chevy MVP presentation after was the highlight. Awkward bastard. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHA8RNA1QZc
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 31, 2014, 08:55:48 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 30, 2014, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 30, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
He was coming back sooner than he should have from a horrible double cruciate injury. You see GAA players taking two years to get back to pre-injury levels, for all the money RG3's camp have pumped into getting him fit he's still only human. Too early to write him off.

McCoy got the short end of the stick in Cleveland, he's a solid QB and a good leader. Not great power in his arm but he's comparable to an Andy Dalton or a lesser Russell Wilson (under-sized, can move). He could start for a few teams in the league but now he's shown well he should be in the upper tier of back-ups in the league and after bouncing around the league for a while (ending up as a #3 QB) that's something in itself.

That's true but they don't seem to have learned anything and are rushing him back again. Should have held off until after the bye week. I think the damage might be done already in any case. Imo he's lost a few percent physically that he'll never get back. McCoy deserves to start the next game in any case but you're right that the game against the Cowboys puts his career back on track. The Americans attach too much importance to having all the right physical attributes but a quick look around the league tells you it's mostly about what's between the ears.

I think that's one of the key differences between college and NFL football, especially at the QB position. Probably because NFL defences are so good, so fast - you can't beat them with athleticism alone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 09:55:58 AM
That's true. You need to be smart, but you also need to be able to make the throws. Tim Tebow is a prime example of a good, athletic, smart fella that couldn't throw up his dinner. If you can't be accurate in the NFL you can forget it. One of the reasons they like tall guys though, is simply because the O and D lines are so big. A small lad can sometimes simply not see the field behind them when they all stand up in pass protection when a blitz is coming. The brain is at least as important as the physical tools, but accuracy, mobility (at least to stay alive in the pocket) and stature are factors as well.

Having said all that, Colt McCoy is 6'2'', the same height as Aaron Rogers, and 2 inches taller than Drew Brees, so it's not like he's a smurf out there. He's no Doug Flutie (5' 9'')
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 02:35:07 PM
On the college rankings, because I'm such a nerd, I was in a hotel in Dublin for work, so I came up with my own ranking system, albeit using the rankings the CFP system has come up with. Basically I'm trying to reward a team's body of work for the entire season, based on the CURRENT rankings of their opponents through out the year. So I punished Notre Dame for Stanford and Michigan falling etc. I try to somewhat reward losses to good teams, especially away, and punish losses to unranked teams. I also disregard completely any results against FCS opponents.

I assign points as follows. A Home win versus a current top 10 team is worth 7 points, a home win versus a team ranked 11-25 is 5 points and a home win versus an unranked FBS school is 2 points. Away wins are more valuable, 9 points, 6 points and 3 points respectively.

Losses are generally punished, but some losses are more understandable than others. I award 1 point for a home loss versus a top 10 team. -1 point for a home loss versus 11-25 teams and -3 points for a home loss versus an unranked team. Away losses are 2 points, 0 points and -2 points respectively.

With that in mind, and updated for Florida State's win over Louisville last night, my rankings look like....

1   Florida State   28
2   Mississippi State   25
3   Auburn   24
4   Oregon   22
5   LSU   21
6   Ole Miss   21
7   UCLA   21
8   Alabama   21
9   Michigan State   20
10   Arizona   18
11   Baylor   18
12   Oklahoma   18
13   Kansas State   16
14   Clemson   16
15   West Virginia   16
16   Nebraska   16
17   Georgia   15
18   Notre Dame   15
19   TCU   14
20   Utah   13
21   Arizona State   13
22   Louisville   12
23   Ohio State   12
24   East Carolina   10
25   Duke   10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 02:57:58 PM
Correction UCLA should be on 19 points. I gave them credit for away losses instead of home losses. Also Louisville last night were at home, so they should be on 11 points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 31, 2014, 03:02:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 09:55:58 AM
That's true. You need to be smart, but you also need to be able to make the throws. Tim Tebow is a prime example of a good, athletic, smart fella that couldn't throw up his dinner. If you can't be accurate in the NFL you can forget it. One of the reasons they like tall guys though, is simply because the O and D lines are so big. A small lad can sometimes simply not see the field behind them when they all stand up in pass protection when a blitz is coming. The brain is at least as important as the physical tools, but accuracy, mobility (at least to stay alive in the pocket) and stature are factors as well.

Having said all that, Colt McCoy is 6'2'', the same height as Aaron Rogers, and 2 inches taller than Drew Brees, so it's not like he's a smurf out there. He's no Doug Flutie (5' 9'')

Yeah when you've got the likes of JJ jumping in your face it helps to be well over 6 feet. And you need phenomenal precision and the arm strength to zip it in fast enough.But whatever about the other positions, I think it's pointless to try and evaluate quarterbacks by what they've got physically(the combines are a waste of time for assessing a QB). The only way to judge them is to put them in there and see what they can do when the pressure is on. Brady(who unsurprisingly, was about the worst performer at his own combine) is proof of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 03:08:51 PM
Ah yeah. The only think a combine is good for though is measuring arm strength and mechanics. But you can't reproduce the scenario of a lad progressing through his reads, under pressure in the pocket, and not making a stupid decision. That can only be done by watching the game film, or watching him play against NFL teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 31, 2014, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 02:35:07 PM
On the college rankings, because I'm such a nerd, I was in a hotel in Dublin for work, so I came up with my own ranking system, albeit using the rankings the CFP system has come up with. Basically I'm trying to reward a team's body of work for the entire season, based on the CURRENT rankings of their opponents through out the year. So I punished Notre Dame for Stanford and Michigan falling etc. I try to somewhat reward losses to good teams, especially away, and punish losses to unranked teams. I also disregard completely any results against FCS opponents.

I assign points as follows. A Home win versus a current top 10 team is worth 7 points, a home win versus a team ranked 11-25 is 5 points and a home win versus an unranked FBS school is 2 points. Away wins are more valuable, 9 points, 6 points and 3 points respectively.

Losses are generally punished, but some losses are more understandable than others. I award 1 point for a home loss versus a top 10 team. -1 point for a home loss versus 11-25 teams and -3 points for a home loss versus an unranked team. Away losses are 2 points, 0 points and -2 points respectively.

With that in mind, and updated for Florida State's win over Louisville last night, my rankings look like....

1   Florida State   28
2   Mississippi State   25
3   Auburn   24
4   Oregon   22
5   LSU   21
6   Ole Miss   21
7   UCLA   21
8   Alabama   21
9   Michigan State   20
10   Arizona   18
11   Baylor   18
12   Oklahoma   18
13   Kansas State   16
14   Clemson   16
15   West Virginia   16
16   Nebraska   16
17   Georgia   15
18   Notre Dame   15
19   TCU   14
20   Utah   13
21   Arizona State   13
22   Louisville   12
23   Ohio State   12
24   East Carolina   10
25   Duke   10

This is going to favor big conference teams and small conference or no conference teams are always going to be on the outside. Take Notre Dame, if they had beaten FS which they would have but for a poor call at the end they would be ranked about 9th on this table. Unbeaten for the year, beating the No 1 team and still scraping into the top 10.
Teams like Marshall this year or Boise State in past would also be hurt badly I think. I'm not trying to go against the system above but you'd need to build in a number of other elements into it like X number of points for unbeaten or other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on October 31, 2014, 07:34:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 31, 2014, 02:35:07 PM
On the college rankings, because I'm such a nerd, I was in a hotel in Dublin for work, so I came up with my own ranking system, albeit using the rankings the CFP system has come up with. Basically I'm trying to reward a team's body of work for the entire season, based on the CURRENT rankings of their opponents through out the year. So I punished Notre Dame for Stanford and Michigan falling etc. I try to somewhat reward losses to good teams, especially away, and punish losses to unranked teams. I also disregard completely any results against FCS opponents.

I assign points as follows. A Home win versus a current top 10 team is worth 7 points, a home win versus a team ranked 11-25 is 5 points and a home win versus an unranked FBS school is 2 points. Away wins are more valuable, 9 points, 6 points and 3 points respectively.

Losses are generally punished, but some losses are more understandable than others. I award 1 point for a home loss versus a top 10 team. -1 point for a home loss versus 11-25 teams and -3 points for a home loss versus an unranked team. Away losses are 2 points, 0 points and -2 points respectively.

With that in mind, and updated for Florida State's win over Louisville last night, my rankings look like....

1   Florida State   28
2   Mississippi State   25
3   Auburn   24
4   Oregon   22
5   LSU   21
6   Ole Miss   21
7   UCLA   21
8   Alabama   21
9   Michigan State   20
10   Arizona   18
11   Baylor   18
12   Oklahoma   18
13   Kansas State   16
14   Clemson   16
15   West Virginia   16
16   Nebraska   16
17   Georgia   15
18   Notre Dame   15
19   TCU   14
20   Utah   13
21   Arizona State   13
22   Louisville   12
23   Ohio State   12
24   East Carolina   10
25   Duke   10

This is going to favor big conference teams and small conference or no conference teams are always going to be on the outside. Take Notre Dame, if they had beaten FS which they would have but for a poor call at the end they would be ranked about 9th on this table. Unbeaten for the year, beating the No 1 team and still scraping into the top 10.
Teams like Marshall this year or Boise State in past would also be hurt badly I think. I'm not trying to go against the system above but you'd need to build in a number of other elements into it like X number of points for unbeaten or other.

Teams in the big conference are 'hurt badly' too because they actually have to play decent teams. Northern Illinois says hello. Notre Dame made the big one two years ago and it was pretty clear how easily Bama dismantled them that they were far from the second best team in the nation.

Of course more weight should be attached to the conferences - a lot of the teams making BCS bowls in the past would struggle to make any bowl at all coming out of the SEC West, for example.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 02, 2014, 01:49:05 AM
We didn't need to even wait till the Auburn game to see Georgia's championship credentials, AZ. Lost to a very average Florida side, saving Muschamp's job for now in the process.

Auburn up for at the top of the 4th quarter in Oxford, Ole Miss with a quick TD to put them up by three. Really huge game in the play-off race.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 02, 2014, 02:40:39 AM
Auburn win it, literally on a goal and inches fumble by Ole Miss. Watching Auburn football is like taking electric shocks to your heart every Saturday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2014, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 02, 2014, 01:49:05 AM
We didn't need to even wait till the Auburn game to see Georgia's championship credentials, AZ. Lost to a very average Florida side, saving Muschamp's job for now in the process.

Auburn up for at the top of the 4th quarter in Oxford, Ole Miss with a quick TD to put them up by three. Really huge game in the play-off race.

Yep. Eye off the ball. Of course if they win out they will be there, but hard to see that now. How much will ole miss fall?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 02, 2014, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2014, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 02, 2014, 01:49:05 AM
We didn't need to even wait till the Auburn game to see Georgia's championship credentials, AZ. Lost to a very average Florida side, saving Muschamp's job for now in the process.

Auburn up for at the top of the 4th quarter in Oxford, Ole Miss with a quick TD to put them up by three. Really huge game in the play-off race.

Yep. Eye off the ball. Of course if they win out they will be there, but hard to see that now. How much will ole miss fall?

Will be interesting to see the new rankings. Bama might move into 4th despite not playing this weekend, Oregon are Morley likely for that spot in the BCS rankings, though.

Surely the voters will value Ole Miss' wins more than Georgia's, so they should be ahead of the Bulldogs at least Baylor moving up again, Michigan State still quietly going about their business but they have the Buckeyes up next. Notes Dame could move as high as eighth despite making a meal of the Navy game.

College football is so good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
7-1! Go Cardinals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 02, 2014, 11:12:08 PM
Look good AZ, must win for the Niners v Rams, making hard work of it as per....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 02, 2014, 11:30:31 PM
Chargers fairly blitzed today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 03, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Sweet mother of god how do you lose that!!! Kaepernick is not the quality QB that was hoped of him. Im no expert but serious poor play calling in redzone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 03, 2014, 01:31:40 AM
Is there any good websites where you can watch game highlights. Looking for a regular fix of Vikings games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2014, 09:09:17 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 03, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Sweet mother of god how do you lose that!!! Kaepernick is not the quality QB that was hoped of him. Im no expert but serious poor play calling in redzone.

The chorus about Harbaugh will probably rise now. Great win for the Rams. Makes next week that much more dicey for the Cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 03, 2014, 09:11:52 AM
How are the Patriots getting on this year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2014, 09:21:16 AM
Is that a wind up? On the off chance you are serious, they started off poorly, had a few very bad performances and Tom Brady was being written off. Since they lost 41-14 in Kansas in week 4 to go to 2-2, they've won 5 on the trot, and massacred the Bengals, Bears and Broncos.

Last night furthers my doubts about the Broncos. I think if they don't get homefield they won't make the Superbowl. They've played 8 games now, 5 at home and 3 away. They've won all 5 home games handily enough, although Chiefs gave them trouble. But of the 3 away games, they've only beaten the 1-8 Jets.  They've lost in Seattle, and were comprehensively beaten in Foxboro last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 03, 2014, 09:25:55 AM
No, not a wind up AZ. I have a fleeting interest of NFL and I suppose like many people follow the Boston side. Glad to hear they are going well. Could they win a Superbowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2014, 10:02:25 AM
Well after last night they have the best record in the AFC. They look good at home, but I think they are beatable on the road. Same as Denver to be honest. I think it will probably be one of those two that come out of the AFC, and I think it will be whichever of them has homefield through the playoffs.

If they get to the Superbowl they'll be hard beaten.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2014, 11:31:36 AM
After the weekend College Games, and based on last weeks CFP rankings, my updated rankings are...

1   Auburn   33
2   Florida State   28
3   Mississippi State   27
4   Oregon   24
5   UCLA   24
6   Ole Miss   22
7   LSU   21
8   Oklahoma   21
9   Alabama   21
10   Baylor   20
11   Michigan State   20
12   TCU   20
13   Arizona   18
14   Kansas State   18
15   Arizona State   18
16   Notre Dame   18
17   West Virginia   17
18   Clemson   16
19   Nebraska   16
20   Ohio State   14
21   Utah   13
22   Duke   13
23   Georgia   12
24   Louisville   11
25   East Carolina   8

UCLA are the big anomaly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 03, 2014, 12:02:01 PM
Cheers AZ. Always wondered why is home advantage such a big thing in NFL? As you stated some teams look unbeatable at home and away are very poor!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2014, 12:23:57 PM
It can vary. The NFL is primarily an autumn/winter sport, so certainly weather can be a factor in some areas. A QB who can't force passes through the wind is unlikely to prosper on a windy day in the mid west or east coast in December. Equally, a west coast team going east to play in a snow storm, or heading up to Green Bay, can be a huge factor. If you play in a dome 8 weeks per year, like Peyton Manning did in Indianapolis, or Drew Brees does in New Orleans, heading to play a big game on a shitty day in Pittsburgh, Baltimore or Chicago can be a real hard assignment.

So conditions can play a part. Also crowd noise can be a big home field advantage. Places like Kansas City and Seattle (recently) are famous for the noise their fans generate, and while that can be sometimes overstated, it absolutely plays a part on play calling and snap counts, etc, for the visiting offence. They have to put things like silent counts, or hand signals in place to tell the centre when to snap the ball. The other linemen can't move until the snap, but the defense can (as long as they don't cross into the neutral zone). That means that in a hostile, loud environment, with a good defense facing you, offensive linemen get jumpy and you get more false start penalties and more misheard play calls etc. Even the odd bad snap between QB and Centre. I've seen a fair few snaps that went awry in the Shotgun formation away from home because the Centre is waiting for a signal, and the QB might move, or be looking around to check off a play, and the centre thinks that's the signal. Suddenly the QB is scrambling on all fours trying to fall on a loose ball that hit him in the head when he wasn't ready for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 03, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 03, 2014, 12:23:57 PM
It can vary. The NFL is primarily an autumn/winter sport, so certainly weather can be a factor in some areas. A QB who can't force passes through the wind is unlikely to prosper on a windy day in the mid west or east coast in December. Equally, a west coast team going east to play in a snow storm, or heading up to Green Bay, can be a huge factor. If you play in a dome 8 weeks per year, like Peyton Manning did in Indianapolis, or Drew Brees does in New Orleans, heading to play a big game on a shitty day in Pittsburgh, Baltimore or Chicago can be a real hard assignment.

So conditions can play a part. Also crowd noise can be a big home field advantage. Places like Kansas City and Seattle (recently) are famous for the noise their fans generate, and while that can be sometimes overstated, it absolutely plays a part on play calling and snap counts, etc, for the visiting offence. They have to put things like silent counts, or hand signals in place to tell the centre when to snap the ball. The other linemen can't move until the snap, but the defense can (as long as they don't cross into the neutral zone). That means that in a hostile, loud environment, with a good defense facing you, offensive linemen get jumpy and you get more false start penalties and more misheard play calls etc. Even the odd bad snap between QB and Centre. I've seen a fair few snaps that went awry in the Shotgun formation away from home because the Centre is waiting for a signal, and the QB might move, or be looking around to check off a play, and the centre thinks that's the signal. Suddenly the QB is scrambling on all fours trying to fall on a loose ball that hit him in the head when he wasn't ready for it.

Good man. Cheers for that!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on November 03, 2014, 09:45:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 29, 2014, 01:14:00 PM
Agree about the Broncos, they look very good, however I'd hold off on going all in on them just yet. Manning's playoff record always sticks in my head, and while Denver will be very hard to beat at home, if they end up not getting homefield, and have to go somewhere like Baltimore or New England, watch out. Their schedule has been very favourable so far. They've played 7 games, and 5 of them have been at home!! They've played, and beaten, the Colts, Chiefs, Cardinals, 49ers and Chargers at him, and they've beaten the Jets away. Their only tough away game, they've lost, in Seattle. It looked like a 'good' loss compared to the Superbowl, Seattle's form since has thrown that into doubt a little bit.

Their remaining schedule is obviously going to be weighted towards away games, and there are some challenging ones for them. They are @ Patriots, @Raiders, @Rams, v Dolphins @ Chiefs, v Bills, @Chargers, @Bengals, v Raiders. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they end 15-1, but it's also not crazy to suggest they might finish 12-4 or thereabouts. That might not be good enough for homefield all the way through.
Fair play AZ. You know your stuff. It's an education reading your posts on here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 03, 2014, 10:46:48 PM
I don't think I've seen a crazy a season in the past 8 years AZ? Some twists and turns, injuries, trades and sales. Top teams looking average and average teams looking unbeatable. Hard to beat the NFL for action this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 04, 2014, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on November 03, 2014, 10:46:48 PM
I don't think I've seen a crazy a season in the past 8 years AZ? Some twists and turns, injuries, trades and sales. Top teams looking average and average teams looking unbeatable. Hard to beat the NFL for action this year.

It really is brilliant for being unpredictable. A team doing poorly can turn around and knock off one of the top guys regularly, especially this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
QuoteThe NFL will stage three more regular-season games at Wembley Stadium in London again next season, including the first-ever division game in England.

The schedule also includes games played on consecutive Sundays in London for the first time.

The Miami Dolphins will return to London for a third time to face the New York Jets on Oct. 4 in an AFC East matchup.

The Jacksonville Jaguars will play the Buffalo Bills on Oct. 25. And, the following week, the Detroit Lions will be back for the second year in a row to face the Kansas City Chiefs on Nov. 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 06, 2014, 03:56:59 PM
I think I'll go to this next year. The Lions and Chiefs looks like it could be a good matchup. Jags and Bills will be poor enough fare I'd say, although the Jags might be picking 1st this year, and Bortles is not brutal at QB, so they might be back competitive sooner than we think.

Dolphins and Jets might be a good one because it's in division. (I'm shocked at one of those two giving up a home game in a division game). However the Dolphins look to be a lot further a long. The Offense is in a horrendous state in the Green part of New JErsey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Apparently the NFL told teams if they were interested in hosting the Superbowl – they have to start giving up home games to go to London.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 06, 2014, 05:04:56 PM
Did Shrewdness's cousins tell you that??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 06, 2014, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Apparently the NFL told teams if they were interested in hosting the Superbowl – they have to start giving up home games to go to London.

Sounds like something Goodell would do alright. It's not so much the giving up of a home game that surprises me, that's going on already. It's giving up a home DIVISION game. That's a big call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on November 06, 2014, 05:34:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2014, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2014, 04:38:35 PM
Apparently the NFL told teams if they were interested in hosting the Superbowl – they have to start giving up home games to go to London.

Sounds like something Goodell would do alright. It's not so much the giving up of a home game that surprises me, that's going on already. It's giving up a home DIVISION game. That's a big call.
Are the Dolphins the designated home team?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 06, 2014, 05:59:12 PM
Yes - the Dolphins, Jags and Chiefs are the "home" teams next year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on November 06, 2014, 07:08:42 PM
The the new England show on Sunday was a great game to watch, despite the margin. Gronkowski is unplayable at times when him and Brady click.

Was really impressed by the Patriots pass defense as well. It's not often Peyton has so few throws in the red zone.

Big Ben turning it on at the Steelers as well is good to see. As someone said earlier, most open season in years and hard to pick the favorit at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on November 07, 2014, 03:42:18 AM
Very comprehensive win alright. The Pats defense were able to put a lot of pressure on Manning and he struggled in the cold weather again. Gronk is some monster and Edelman and LaFell are flying too. I watched "Inside the NFL" the week after the heavy Kansas defeat and the obituaries were being written by Boomer Esiason and co. - "An ageing quarterback with nobody to throw to" etc. Brady must have been watching too.

Apparently the Patriots weren't too happy with this tackle by TJ Ward,

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which they saw as a dirty shot at Gronk's knee. He was the same guy who did Gronkowski's knee last year. It looks pretty nasty but since they outlawed the high, helmet-to-helmet tackles the defenders have to go low, and it's the best(only) way to take someone of that size. Imo shouldn't be allowed though.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 08, 2014, 11:28:46 PM
So, is it to be 4th quarter fireworks for Auburn, or will it be AW-Burn?  Aggies look ready to fizzle themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 09, 2014, 12:17:04 AM
Sheesh! Auburn down by 3, fumbles at the 1 yard line.  Aggies have the ball. 2:30 left, but backs to the wall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 09, 2014, 12:23:11 AM
Almost a safety. A & M to punt from deep in the end zone.  Auburn has it on the 36, no timeouts!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 09, 2014, 12:25:03 AM
What a mistake there!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 09, 2014, 12:27:27 AM
Wow! Auburn fumbles the snap--play under review--Aggies recover! No more magic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 09, 2014, 12:34:58 AM
This could be where the SEC eats itself. Auburn could easily beat Bama and Georgia. The SEC champion will go even with 2 losses, but will a team like Alabama or Auburn make it with 2 losses? I think not unless they win the SEC. Opens it up for the big 10 and big 12.

Wouldn't be surprised if it's Mississippi state, Florida state, Michigan state and Oregon at the end of it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 09, 2014, 12:39:59 AM
Heart attack time yet again. Just not of the good kind for a change.

First half killed the Tigers, even despite the late fumbles they were stellar in the second half. Ah well, still have rivalry games with Georgia and Bama coming up - plenty to play for even if the play-offs may have to wait for another year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 09, 2014, 12:44:39 AM
You're probably right, AZ, but even FSU is off to a wobbly start against Virginia.  Of course, hoping for a Buckeye upset in East Lansing.  Few, except Tony F, should be booking hotel rooms yet for the college playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 09, 2014, 12:48:20 AM
Whoops! Two quick FSU TDs--quick implosion by the Cavaliers. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 10, 2014, 05:04:10 AM
Ouch AZ, Palmer gone for the season could spell trouble. 49ers starting to get some defenceive players back and Seattle getting into a trot would be a pity to see them lose out if that is the way it spins out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 11:04:18 AM
Yeah, Palmer gone is a bad one, but if there's one thing this team has shown it is that it is resiliant. Don't forget Stanton won two games as a starter when Palmer's neck/shoulder nerve kept him out. He also came into the game last night down 14-10 and led an 89 yard drive, throwing on every down, to take the lead back. Stanton is a decent backup.

It does put a lot more pressure on the defense, and I'll be worried about Larry Fitz now. Palmer loves throwing to Fitz. Stanton is comfortable with the likes of John Brown.

8-1 is a great start for the Cards. Pity the Niners won last night, because if they had fallen to 4-5 I don't think they'd have caught the Cards. 10-6 or 11-5 is still a viable target even with a backup QB..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 11:41:30 AM
In the NCAA playoffs, it won't be Michigan State anyway. Saturday was brilliant in the College Football. So many games between ranked opponents, and it's going to be really fascinating to see what happens between now and the 7th of December when the final polls are announced.

CFP #3 Auburn was beaten at home by unranked Texas A&M in another classic, and typical, SEC ambush. It's hard to see a way for Auburn into the playoffs now, at 7-2, but they'll have a huge say in who does get there, because they play Alabama and Georgia still.

#4 Oregon beat #17 Utah handily in Utah, and that will rubberstamp them into the PAC-12 championship game. They surely can't lose at home to Colorado or away to Oregon State. Obviously Oregon State is a rival, but Oregon are at a much higher level than them. That should mean Oregon get into the PAC-12 Championship game, but who will they play?

The answer might be down in the south west as #9 ASU held off a rally from #10 Notre Dame. ASU looked like they were going to absolutely dismantle ND, as Everett Golson had a nightmare, but the Irish stuck in there brilliantly, and actually got a 24 point lead back to a field goal deficit, in the 4th quarter. They even botched a field goal, and ASU looked seriously on the ropes. Then the Devils went on a fantastic march down the field to regain the initiative and a 10 point lead, and actually closed it out with a Pick Six and a garbage time TD as well to win by 24. That's the end of the road for Notre Dame, but it opens up a lot of possibilities for ASU. They will surely move up in the rankings, but more importantly it sets them up for a shot at Oregon in the PAC 12 title game, if they don't blow it before then. Watch the banana skin in Tucson though. They should beat Washington in Tempe, but they have to go south to play Arizona in the last week, and if they lose there, you open up all sorts of tie breaker scenarios to represent the PAC 12 south in the Conference Championship. If they stay clean it will be Oregon v ASU as both 1 loss teams, with the winner surely being in the top 4. If ASU loses, and it's a 2 loss team playing against Oregon, Oregon would have to win to have a PAC 12 team in the final 4 I think. The dark horse may be UCLA. I don't know how the tiebreaker would work if Arizona beat ASU, but UCLA have a fairly decent body of work this year and I suspect they'd get it because they've beaten the Arizona schools. They've lost to Oregon and Utah, but have beaten ASU away, and Arizona at home. They finish with USC and Stanford, and could well end up ruining the PAC-12 party if they play Oregon and beat.



The BIG10 more or less sorted itself out on Saturday as Ohio State went into East Lansing and handily took care of Michigan State. That basically means that if the Big 10 wants a team in the final 4, Ohio State has to win out, and hope for some sort of hiccup elsewhere. They had a horrible loss at home to VA tech, but in fairness that was the second game of a season that they had planned for their star QB Braxton Miller. Him going down in pre-season was a huge blow, and I think they'll be rewarded if they win the Big10 with 1 loss. Put it like this, if Miller was there, and they were to finish 12-0, I don't think it would be a question.

The SEC is a mess. A brilliant conference, almost too good for its own good really. It's very possible that the SEC champion will be a 2 loss team. But because the conference is so strong, they will surely get at least the conference champion in there. If the Conference Champion ends up being an unbeaten Mississippi State team, then the SEC might well get 2 teams in, especially if Alabama beats Auburn, and loses just one more to Miss State.in the SEC though, who knows? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Mississippi State lost at least once before the end of the regular season, and if they do, possibly at Alabama next week, then I think Alabama will win the SEC, unless they lose to Auburn in the Iron bowl. It's almost impossible to predict.

the Big 12 is another one that's slightly up in the air, but really this past weekend has put the spotlight on TCU and Baylor. Baylor have already beaten TCU, but TCU are probably the better team, and their out of conference schedule is a bit better than Baylor's, which is why TCU are ahead in the polls. Both should win out from here, and if they do it's hard to see how Baylor could overcome the deficit in the polls they have now. If Baylor do win out, they'll end up with wins over OKla State, Texas Tech and K State. TCU finish with Kansas, Texas and Iowa State.


I think you will have the SEC Champion, even if with two losses, but probably an undefeated Miss. State or a 1 loss Alabama.
I think you will have Florida State, unless they have a stroke versus Miami, Florida or BC.
I think you will have Oregon or ASU if they are 1 loss PAC 12 Champions, especially if it is Oregon.
Finally, I think the last place will be between a one loss Ohio State, a 1 loss TCU and a 1 or 2 loss Alabama or Mississippi State. (Maybe Auburn still, if they beat Alabama, and Alabama also lose to Miss State).

That last slot, if it is a one loss Miss State will go to them I think. If it's a two loss Alabama or Auburn, I think it will go to TCU.

It's going to be interesting though!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 11:04:18 AM
Yeah, Palmer gone is a bad one, but if there's one thing this team has shown it is that it is resiliant. Don't forget Stanton won two games as a starter when Palmer's neck/shoulder nerve kept him out. He also came into the game last night down 14-10 and led an 89 yard drive, throwing on every down, to take the lead back. Stanton is a decent backup.

It does put a lot more pressure on the defense, and I'll be worried about Larry Fitz now. Palmer loves throwing to Fitz. Stanton is comfortable with the likes of John Brown.

8-1 is a great start for the Cards. Pity the Niners won last night, because if they had fallen to 4-5 I don't think they'd have caught the Cards. 10-6 or 11-5 is still a viable target even with a backup QB..

By the way, Chicago Bears WTF?? I watched it on Gamepass this morning over breakfast (condensed version). They were horrendous. Whatever was said behind the scenes there in the players meeting etc is not working.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 11:41:30 AM
In the NCAA playoffs, it won't be Michigan State anyway. Saturday was brilliant in the College Football. So many games between ranked opponents, and it's going to be really fascinating to see what happens between now and the 7th of December when the final polls are announced.

CFP #3 Auburn was beaten at home by unranked Texas A&M in another classic, and typical, SEC ambush. It's hard to see a way for Auburn into the playoffs now, at 7-2, but they'll have a huge say in who does get there, because they play Alabama and Georgia still.

#4 Oregon beat #17 Utah handily in Utah, and that will rubberstamp them into the PAC-12 championship game. They surely can't lose at home to Colorado or away to Oregon State. Obviously Oregon State is a rival, but Oregon are at a much higher level than them. That should mean Oregon get into the PAC-12 Championship game, but who will they play?

The answer might be down in the south west as #9 ASU held off a rally from #10 Notre Dame. ASU looked like they were going to absolutely dismantle ND, as Everett Golson had a nightmare, but the Irish stuck in there brilliantly, and actually got a 24 point lead back to a field goal deficit, in the 4th quarter. They even botched a field goal, and ASU looked seriously on the ropes. Then the Devils went on a fantastic march down the field to regain the initiative and a 10 point lead, and actually closed it out with a Pick Six and a garbage time TD as well to win by 24. That's the end of the road for Notre Dame, but it opens up a lot of possibilities for ASU. They will surely move up in the rankings, but more importantly it sets them up for a shot at Oregon in the PAC 12 title game, if they don't blow it before then. Watch the banana skin in Tucson though. They should beat Washington in Tempe, but they have to go south to play Arizona in the last week, and if they lose there, you open up all sorts of tie breaker scenarios to represent the PAC 12 south in the Conference Championship. If they stay clean it will be Oregon v ASU as both 1 loss teams, with the winner surely being in the top 4. If ASU loses, and it's a 2 loss team playing against Oregon, Oregon would have to win to have a PAC 12 team in the final 4 I think. The dark horse may be UCLA. I don't know how the tiebreaker would work if Arizona beat ASU, but UCLA have a fairly decent body of work this year and I suspect they'd get it because they've beaten the Arizona schools. They've lost to Oregon and Utah, but have beaten ASU away, and Arizona at home. They finish with USC and Stanford, and could well end up ruining the PAC-12 party if they play Oregon and beat.



The BIG10 more or less sorted itself out on Saturday as Ohio State went into East Lansing and handily took care of Michigan State. That basically means that if the Big 10 wants a team in the final 4, Ohio State has to win out, and hope for some sort of hiccup elsewhere. They had a horrible loss at home to VA tech, but in fairness that was the second game of a season that they had planned for their star QB Braxton Miller. Him going down in pre-season was a huge blow, and I think they'll be rewarded if they win the Big10 with 1 loss. Put it like this, if Miller was there, and they were to finish 12-0, I don't think it would be a question.

The SEC is a mess. A brilliant conference, almost too good for its own good really. It's very possible that the SEC champion will be a 2 loss team. But because the conference is so strong, they will surely get at least the conference champion in there. If the Conference Champion ends up being an unbeaten Mississippi State team, then the SEC might well get 2 teams in, especially if Alabama beats Auburn, and loses just one more to Miss State.in the SEC though, who knows? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Mississippi State lost at least once before the end of the regular season, and if they do, possibly at Alabama next week, then I think Alabama will win the SEC, unless they lose to Auburn in the Iron bowl. It's almost impossible to predict.

the Big 12 is another one that's slightly up in the air, but really this past weekend has put the spotlight on TCU and Baylor. Baylor have already beaten TCU, but TCU are probably the better team, and their out of conference schedule is a bit better than Baylor's, which is why TCU are ahead in the polls. Both should win out from here, and if they do it's hard to see how Baylor could overcome the deficit in the polls they have now. If Baylor do win out, they'll end up with wins over OKla State, Texas Tech and K State. TCU finish with Kansas, Texas and Iowa State.


I think you will have the SEC Champion, even if with two losses, but probably an undefeated Miss. State or a 1 loss Alabama.
I think you will have Florida State, unless they have a stroke versus Miami, Florida or BC.
I think you will have Oregon or ASU if they are 1 loss PAC 12 Champions, especially if it is Oregon.
Finally, I think the last place will be between a one loss Ohio State, a 1 loss TCU and a 1 or 2 loss Alabama or Mississippi State. (Maybe Auburn still, if they beat Alabama, and Alabama also lose to Miss State).

That last slot, if it is a one loss Miss State will go to them I think. If it's a two loss Alabama or Auburn, I think it will go to TCU.

It's going to be interesting though!

Meant to say, did anyone see that mental play in the Oregon v Utah game? Utah were winning 7-0, and they threw a long pass to a WR who was running into the endzone untouched. He started to celebrate a couple of yards too early and dropped the ball. For a split second nobody did anything, and then you could see the Oregon defender looking at the ref, who was not signalling TD, even as Oregon celebrated in the End Zone. Oregon picked the ball up and ran it back 100 yards for the TD!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 10, 2014, 02:34:27 PM
sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-xHCITb2WM

AZ would you not be disappointed with a 10-6 finish from here for the Cards
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
I would of course. They are 8-1. 10-6 means they finish 2-5. But what I'm saying is that even if that is what happens, you'd have a decent chance of a playoff spot. If Palmer wasn't injured, I think they'd be looking to finish 12-4 or 13-3 at this stage.

Drew Stanton is a good backup, but he's a backup. Larry Fitz might fall off productivity wise with Stanton, and Ellington might be the next lad to get injured because he's going to get more work.

They still have to play in Seattle and in San Francisco. They also have Seattle at home. That's 3 tough games right there with a backup QB. (Now mind you Stanton beat the Niners early in the year). They have Detroit and Chiefs at home as well, and Falcons and Rams away. I think 10-6 would be disappointing where we are now, but if the Cardinals were to be offered 10-6 at the start of the season, with all the injuries they have, that would be seen as a great season. There's a right good team being cooked there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 10, 2014, 04:31:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 12:03:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 11:04:18 AM
Yeah, Palmer gone is a bad one, but if there's one thing this team has shown it is that it is resiliant. Don't forget Stanton won two games as a starter when Palmer's neck/shoulder nerve kept him out. He also came into the game last night down 14-10 and led an 89 yard drive, throwing on every down, to take the lead back. Stanton is a decent backup.

It does put a lot more pressure on the defense, and I'll be worried about Larry Fitz now. Palmer loves throwing to Fitz. Stanton is comfortable with the likes of John Brown.

8-1 is a great start for the Cards. Pity the Niners won last night, because if they had fallen to 4-5 I don't think they'd have caught the Cards. 10-6 or 11-5 is still a viable target even with a backup QB..

By the way, Chicago Bears WTF?? I watched it on Gamepass this morning over breakfast (condensed version). They were horrendous. Whatever was said behind the scenes there in the players meeting etc is not working.

To be honest I was not surprised - so much so that I didn't make any attempt to stay up late for the game which is unlike me. The defense has just imploded after a promising start and on offense I think the trust in Cutler and/or the coaching staff has disintegrated. Now I accept there is intolerable pressure on the offense as they go out thinking they have to score a TD on every drive but some of the play calling and Cutler's play has been very poor. The o-line has had injuries and hasn't been as settled as last year but the buck has to stop with the QB and despite all the weapons at his disposal and decent protection he isn't getting it done. I think they'll rally and make it to 8-8 or 7-9 but all they'll do is ruin other teams seasons cos their own is done. Disappointing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 11, 2014, 02:35:45 AM
Could it be the Eagles year?????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 11, 2014, 03:26:23 AM
Poor Sanchez was basically run out of NY.

Now look at him!!

Gino who??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 11, 2014, 05:48:20 AM
Carolina need to get rid of Cam Newton. A good athlete, but as far as playing the QB position as an actual QB, he's extremely limited. Not helped by a horrible O line, but still. He would have to be considered a bust at this stage of his career. So many of these hybrid type QBs have come on the scene in the last decade, yet it's still the big white wooden planks getting it done. Vick, Russell. Vince, RG3' Newton, Gino and to a lesser extent Kaepernick can all look great one day, and absolutely terrible the next 4! Still none of them close to Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Bree's and Big Ben ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2014, 08:59:36 AM
I'm always saying that, and have done consistently. The mobile, read option QB that was in vogue is a grand short term thing, but the defenses in the NFL are so tough and fast that eventually that sort of QB is going to get figured out, and hurt. You have to be able to stand tall and fire a 30 yard pass down the field if you are going to be a great NFL QB. You need to be clever, and you need to be accurate.

If you can move around all the better, but a 6 step shuffle, or a duck and sidestep to avoid a rush is not the same as these lads whose natural instinct is to tuck it and run. You have to go through your progressions.

All that said, they can be effective, but I don't think they can ever be great. I don't think Cam Newton is done, but I don't think he's ever going to be an NFL great. You often hear things like the 'SEC is the NFL's ninth division'. It's absolute hogwash. I love college football, in fact a lot of the time I prefer it over the NFL as a 'sport', but the quality of the game is a million miles behind the NFL. Very few, proportionally speaking, college players make careers in the NFL, even of those who are drafted. In the NFL everyone is good. Everyone is fast and everyone is tough. At college a great athlete, a lá Cam Newton or RGIII will look like a superstar, and run the read option offense to great effect. That's why I'd worry a bit about Marriota too. He can throw a lovely accurate spiral though, so he might be the best 'running QB' tools wise we see coming out.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 11, 2014, 09:32:58 AM
Wilson not doing too badly in Seattle...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2014, 09:57:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 11, 2014, 09:32:58 AM
Wilson not doing too badly in Seattle...

He's not, but he's not a superstar either. He's currently 14th in the NFL QB Ratings. Grand, but not exactly setting the world on fire. The top 10 are Rodgers, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Brady, Luck, Brees, Roethlisberger, Eli Manning (!) and Carson Palmer. If Russell Wilson didn't have the Seattle 'D' last year, I think he'd have been another 'good' NFL QB. I also think he's one run away from having a concussion or an injury and that will be the start of it with him too.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 11, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
I'm no expert but is QB rating not a pass only statistic? Wilson rushed for 170 odd and a score on Sunday. Even with the league ever increasing towards pass only offences, you can't ignore other weapons a QB may have.

At the end of the day, it's about what you define as a "good" QB. Is it someone with great stat lines, or is it someone, a lá a fly half in rugby, who controls and manages the game and gives the team the best chance of winning when they're on the field? Wilson is an exceptionally intelligent QB and I think he does this better than most, including some of the players in list above him. He'll never have the best passing stat lines, but there are several on the list I'd want him in my team ahead of.

Stats can also lie. A lot. Eli for example, although having a poor season had a supposedly horrendous game earlier in the year. Can't remember who it was against but it was around Week 2 or 3. Cruz and Beckham Jr. dropped, tipped and coughed up numerous balls that Manning put on a plate for them, leaving him with a horrible rating having played his game almost perfectly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2014, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 11, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
I'm no expert but is QB rating not a pass only statistic? Wilson rushed for 170 odd and a score on Sunday. Even with the league ever increasing towards pass only offences, you can't ignore other weapons a QB may have.

At the end of the day, it's about what you define as a "good" QB. Is it someone with great stat lines, or is it someone, a lá a fly half in rugby, who controls and manages the game and gives the team the best chance of winning when they're on the field? Wilson is an exceptionally intelligent QB and I think he does this better than most, including some of the players in list above him. He'll never have the best passing stat lines, but there are several on the list I'd want him in my team ahead of.

Stats can also lie. A lot. Eli for example, although having a poor season had a supposedly horrendous game earlier in the year. Can't remember who it was against but it was around Week 2 or 3. Cruz and Beckham Jr. dropped, tipped and coughed up numerous balls that Manning put on a plate for them, leaving him with a horrible rating having played his game almost perfectly.

No, QB rating is the overall QB rating, and factors in rushing. Wilson is 18th on Passer rating, which doesn't factor in the rushing.

Obviously stats don't tell us the full story, as you say games and stats lines can swing on unfortunate events or poor play in other positions, but over the course of a season, these things tend to even themselves out :D

What I'm saying is give me a good, pocket passer that is mobile enough to avoid the rush, rather than a fella who is not as accurate, not as composed, but who can make plays with his legs a lot.

I think one of those QBs is a sustainable, long term, NFL quarterback. I think the other is going to be very productive for a while, and will then flame out as his body gets banged up or ages.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 11, 2014, 09:12:44 PM
The life of an option QB is short. Look at RGIII and Luck when they came out of college. Luck is going to be doing this for a long time but RGIII is going to struggle to have any sort of career in the League. The option QB is great and works in College football but not in the NFL. Players are too fast in the NFL and they will eventually catch up with the option QB, it only take one hit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 11, 2014, 10:42:31 PM
Heard on Mike &Mike this morning that Newton has been hit 550 times so far in his short career!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 16, 2014, 03:03:42 AM
Well, halftime in the evening games.  Georgia ahead of Auburn, Miami beating FSU by 10.

And what a performance today by Wisconsin's Gordon (400+ yards)

ND suffering an OT defeat against Northwestern.

The Iron Bowl should be fun.

Oh, and go Bucks--winning in bitterly cold conditions (15 degrees) at Minnesota.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 16, 2014, 04:36:14 AM
Well, if the Noles don't pull it out again!  Auburn loses, and Arkansas hangs a zero on LSU.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 16, 2014, 11:55:57 AM
Auburn's season fell apart after looking so promising only a week ago. The performance against Georgia was reminiscent of the 38-0 hammering to the Bulldogs in the 2012 season rather than the performances of the championship-chasing years in 2011 and 2013.

All that's left to stir the blood is the Iron Bowl in Bryant-Denny, a daunting prospect for a team on a two game skid against the best team in the country at the moment. Mixed feelings - I would like Bama to go all the way now Auburn are out, but to do that they'll need to go through Auburn.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 16, 2014, 05:21:03 PM
Massive set of games today, feet up looking forward to 49ers v Giants.

for the craic im going:

VIKINGS AT BEARS

TEXANS AT BROWNS
 
FALCONS AT PANTHERS

BENGALS AT SAINTS

BUCCANEERS AT REDSKINS

BRONCOS AT Rams

49ERS A GIANTS

SEAHAWKS AT CHIEFS

RAIDERS AT CHARGERS

LIONS AT CARDINALS

EAGLES AT PACKERS

PATRIOTS AT COLTS

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 16, 2014, 08:31:56 PM
Has there ever been a better Division then than the NFC West? Cards, Niners, Hawks and the Rams (3-6 but their schedule has been criminal)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kidder81 on November 16, 2014, 09:03:21 PM
Borland has been some replacement for Patrick Willis for Niners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 16, 2014, 09:37:52 PM
Agree, what a performance by the niners D, Eli threw 5 picks and the Offense couldnt get it done. a win is a win tho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on November 16, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
JJ Watt got another touchdown today the big calve.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2014, 10:03:36 PM
Vikings had a decent first quarter in Chicago with a cheeky fake punt earning them a touchdown.

Completely shite after that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on November 16, 2014, 10:17:55 PM
Raiders/Chargers possibly the worst game I've seen. Punt-Punt-Punt-Punt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 16, 2014, 11:02:37 PM
The 4-6 Falcons are in the NFC South play-off spot!

Woo-hoo.  :P

Christ. If we still get our foot in the door I still want Mike Smith out, the guy has had enough chances.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: barelegs on November 16, 2014, 11:08:35 PM
Tampa Bay are 2-8 and still in the play-off hunt in the NFC South! Mad stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
Get in there. 9-1. Talk about slogging.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2014, 05:14:40 AM
Right now, if they stay healthy , the Pats will be very hard to beat. Arizona are playing well, still think their record is better than what they actually are. The 49' rs def is getting healthy and they will be tough down the stretch, as offensively they have been horrible so far this year. My top 10
1) Pats
2) Green Bay
3) Denver
4) Arizona
5) Kansas
6) Cowboys
7) San Fran
8) Seattle
9) Colts
10) Chargers/ Steelers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2014, 10:20:17 AM
As much as it pains me to say it cadhlancian, I agree with your summary of the Cards. The thing about it is I suppose is they just keep on overcoming and winning, which is a great sign in a team. Their injury list at this point reads like a MASH unit, but I get the sense they are at breaking point now. They lost another DE for the Detroit game, and during the game Dan Williams was banged up, as was Andre Ellington and Larry Fitz. All three gutted it out, but they are really thin at this stage. Stepfan Taylor was back togged out last night, but he was really limited. He's a big banger for between the tackles, and a real change up from Ellingtons 'bouncy' style. I think if they are going to continue on winning  ways the run game has got to step up. They've played two excellent defenses in the last two weeks, but then again you've got the Seahawks, Chiefs, Niners and Rams all coming down the pipe so that's going to be a common theme. You have to be able to make 4 yards on first down. If Taylor can be productive, Ellington will be even better. Marshawn Lynch would be so great for this team at the moment. Stanton is a good backup, and he was lights out for the early part of the game, but then he threw two interceptions, one inside the Lions redzone going for a 21-3 lead, and the other was returned into Cardinals territory which the D limited to a fieldgoal. After that, they reined him in a bit, and the offense basically stalled, except for a couple of excellent throws which picked up important first downs for field position purposes etc. But every run play was stuffed. If you could get into 2nd and 6 or 2nd and 5, and use play action, this offense would be even better, because they do have threats with Floyd, Fitz and Brown, as well as Ginn, Carlson and Ellington himself out of the backfield. In fairness the Defense is getting better all the time, and Patrick Peterson has returned to form in the last 3 weeks or so. Himself and Cromartie are good starting corners, and Matthieu and the rest of the secondary are making plays on the ball.

I still think the Cards could end up 10-6 or 11-5, but they've put themselves in a great position to end up 12-4 or even better.

As regards your rankings, I might put the Packers at #1 to be honest, they way they are playing now. They can really go anywhere and win in the NFC. I'm not sure the Patriots can do the same in the AFC, similar to the Broncos really. (I think the Broncos are #1 at home, but probably #6 or #7 at best away. They are only 1-3 away from Denver, and haven't won a 'big' away game yet. They're actually tied with KC now I think. I might go

1 - Pack
2 - Pats
3 - Cardinals
4 - Broncos
5 - Chiefs
6 - San Francisco
7 - Seattle
8 - Cowboys
9 - Colts
10 - Eagles



As regards your power rankings,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2014, 03:28:35 PM
The Pats went into Indy and totally dominated them, more or less shut them down ? Indy would be classed as probably in the top 4/5 teams in the AFC? I'd say that was a statement. Green Bays last road game ( 2 weeks ago) they got murdered by the saints?  A saints team who have subsequently lost "2 in a road at home...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2014, 03:31:43 PM
I don't rate the Colts as highly as that, especially their D. When I think of the AFC I think of Baltimore, Denver, Kansas, Pittsburgh etc. No doubt New England are very sound, especially now they've sorted out the O-Line a bit.

I'd be interested in how they do against a good defense though. They have Detroit in Foxboro next week, that's a good defense, but it's in New England so it might not be too much bother. Then they are away to Green Bay, San Diego and home to Miami. If they go 3-1 in that stretch they'll probably be the #1 AFC seed, and that means everyone goes through Foxboro. In that situation, I'd fancy them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 17, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
Rodgers is otherworldly, he is the best I have ever seen and the Pack V the Pats is going to be one for the ages!


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 17, 2014, 06:27:05 PM

It's been a very open season with probably about 18 teams still in with a shot of making the playoffs. The Cards could take home field throughout the playoffs (including the Super Bowl). The should beat the Falcons and Rams and split the game with the Seahawks. That will give them 12 wins and the most anyone else can get is 13 but it's unlikely anyone is going to go unbeaten from here in given the season that's in it. Watched them yesterday and their defense is very good but they don't have enough Offensive weapons to make it to the Conf. game. The Packers however look the best team in the NFC and if the Niners can get something going on the Offensive side of the ball it will be between them and the Pack. The Niners are winning ugly right now, the defense is getting healthy and it may take a little pressure off Kap to allow him to make something happen.

The AFC side is much more open. Payton is beginning to buckle under the pressure again, so I think that will leave KC and NE. If the Ravens get in they could prove very difficult to beat but the AFC North is the most difficult division to get out of.

My top 10

1- Pack
2- Pats
3- Cards
4- Chiefs
5- Broncos
6- Niners
7- Colts
8- Ravens
9- Lions
10- Cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 18, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
sick money

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/baseball/30092995
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 18, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 18, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
sick money

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/baseball/30092995

Read about this alright. But of a red herring though as it's "only" the same annual salary as A Rod got back in 2001. Cabrera's deal is significantly bigger annually.

Mike Trout's next deal will be absolutely monstrous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 18, 2014, 04:57:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 18, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 18, 2014, 02:35:45 PM
sick money

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/baseball/30092995

Read about this alright. But of a red herring though as it's "only" the same annual salary as A Rod got back in 2001. Cabrera's deal is significantly bigger annually.

Mike Trout's next deal will be absolutely monstrous.


It's going to take some club to go tits up before these ballclubs see sense!

If ever a sport needed a salary cap it is Baseball, even more so than football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2014, 04:55:41 PM
20  years ago next week - "The Greatest Comeback That Never Was"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNP9jggB2I
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 19, 2014, 07:40:37 PM
The Bills are looking 500 people working triple shifts paying $10/hour and tickets to the game on Sunday in order to dig out Ralph Wilson Stadium - they had 6 feet of snow yesterday

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B21LTXCIgAASXM9.jpg:large)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 21, 2014, 05:02:05 AM
Raiders win Baby!
2nd last play for the Cheifs very funny. 3rd and long with 26 secs left, Raiders sack Smith and three Raiders players celebrate on the Chiefs side while Smith goes to snap the 4th down. Lucky Justin Tuck called a TO.
They celebrated like the won the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2014, 11:15:01 AM
Saw that this morning. Dopes :) Great win for them though. That's the template for KC. Stop Charles running and make Smith and the receivers beat you.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 21, 2014, 11:49:35 AM
Beat SB champs on Sunday, lose to 0-10 team on Thursday. That's why I love the NFL so much - the any given day "cliché" is almost a truism.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2014, 12:14:43 PM
Road versus Home is huge. Especially for those Thursday night games. I haven't looked yet, but I wonder how many road wins have been on Thurs.

Edit. Just checked. 8-4 to the home team. Not as much as I expected to be honest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 21, 2014, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 21, 2014, 12:14:43 PM
Road versus Home is huge. Especially for those Thursday night games. I haven't looked yet, but I wonder how many road wins have been on Thurs.

Edit. Just checked. 8-4 to the home team. Not as much as I expected to be honest.

Distance travelled for road team would be a factor too I would have thought on a short week, dunno if that is taken into account when the scheduling is done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
All Thursday night games are divisional games, so that should help with some of the travel.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 21, 2014, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2014, 11:49:35 AM
Beat SB champs on Sunday, lose to 0-10 team on Thursday. That's why I love the NFL so much - the any given day "cliché" is almost a truism.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--HeDVH0Lk--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/lm8zgbrzqozkixquh33g.png)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 23, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
49ers O again bring feck all to the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2014, 02:18:24 AM
Odell Beckham Jr with the catch of the year  :o :o

(http://giant.gfycat.com/BrokenFirstHart.gif)

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Vsz1zacc--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/onoqunbrvxyzhqwrddok.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 24, 2014, 06:00:34 AM
Not too much adjusting needed on my rankings from last week.
1) Pats
2) Packers
3) Broncos
4) Seattle
5) Cowboys
6) Arizona
7) San Francisco
8) Eagles
9) Chiefs
10) Steelers/Chargers/Ravens
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2014, 09:12:41 AM
Impressive by the Pats last night. That's a good Detroit Defense. They look invincible in Foxboro. The AFC better hope they slip up a couple of times before the end of the season, because if the AFC road goes through Foxboro, they should be in Arizona in the new year.

As for the Cardinals, they just couldn't get anything serious going offensively up in Seattle. The Defense was brilliant again though, 7 sacks of Wilson. They gave up a couple of scrambling, broken plays to him, but other than that they were excellent. They are the real deal defensively. On the other side of the ball, unfortunately, they found it very tough going in a hostile atmosphere. The running game is a real concern to me. The Offensive line has improved a lot in pass protection, but they don't open up many holes for running backs. That means long 2nd and 3rd down situations, which allows the D to go after the QB, which puts pressure on him and the O-Line to pass protect.

I was relatively happy after it though. I think in Arizona they'll have a good chance against the 'hawks, if the D plays like that. The NFC West is some division though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2014, 10:51:09 PM
Jaysus, bad news about eric berry, the Chiefs safety. Looks like suspected lymphoma after an Mri showed up a mass on his chest. He's done for the year, hopefully he makes a full recovery.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 25, 2014, 12:14:00 AM
Jets v Bills rescheduled game at Detroit

http://www.wiz1.net/channel1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 25, 2014, 05:23:29 AM
The Jets are a fecking joke! How that buffoon Rex still has a job is beyond me. The other idiot brother in New Orleans isn't much better. Sean Payton gave him a nice " talking" too on the sideline tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 25, 2014, 05:23:29 AM
The Jets are a fecking joke! How that buffoon Rex still has a job is beyond me. The other idiot brother in New Orleans isn't much better. Sean Payton gave him a nice " talking" too on the sideline tonight.

Rex didn't put the squad together and have a lot of  salary cap left over. Players just arent good enough.  He was probably finished after this year no matter what, but Idzik has bigger questions to answer. Rex will get another head coaching job, assuming he doesn't do media stuff for a bit first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2014, 11:09:34 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 25, 2014, 05:23:29 AM
The Jets are a fecking joke! How that buffoon Rex still has a job is beyond me. The other idiot brother in New Orleans isn't much better. Sean Payton gave him a nice " talking" too on the sideline tonight.

Payton hasn't shone much himself since they won the SB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 25, 2014, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2014, 10:51:09 PM
Jaysus, bad news about eric berry, the Chiefs safety. Looks like suspected lymphoma after an Mri showed up a mass on his chest. He's done for the year, hopefully he makes a full recovery.

I knew a guy who had something similar discovered and the worst was feared but it turned out to be ok. Fingers crossed it's the same for this guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 25, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
The Ryan Bros are as useful as tits on a bull, neither of them are worth a shite at this level but what they are good at is self promotion......................... Right up until the point they fail to deliver on promises made.

On a different note, I am torn this weekend, I am going to the game at Lambeau this weekend in Pats gear but I would be perfectly ok with a Packers win! How the hell does that happen????

Prediction, two of the best to ever play the qb position will cancel each other out, the game will be average enough and the Pack squeak out a win in Curley's house!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 25, 2014, 07:17:29 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 25, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 25, 2014, 05:23:29 AM
The Jets are a fecking joke! How that buffoon Rex still has a job is beyond me. The other idiot brother in New Orleans isn't much better. Sean Payton gave him a nice " talking" too on the sideline tonight.

Rex didn't put the squad together and have a lot of  salary cap left over. Players just arent good enough.  He was probably finished after this year no matter what, but Idzik has bigger questions to answer. Rex will get another head coaching job, assuming he doesn't do media stuff for a bit first.
As Stew points out, they are both clowns. Idzik hasn't covered himself in glory either, but right now, I'd have the Jets , as marginally behind the Jaguars for 32nd. I guess he didn't put together the defense that got to 2 AFC games? Works both ways...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2014, 11:43:48 AM
Quote from: stew on November 25, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
The Ryan Bros are as useful as tits on a bull, neither of them are worth a shite at this level but what they are good at is self promotion......................... Right up until the point they fail to deliver on promises made.

On a different note, I am torn this weekend, I am going to the game at Lambeau this weekend in Pats gear but I would be perfectly ok with a Packers win! How the hell does that happen????

Prediction, two of the best to ever play the qb position will cancel each other out, the game will be average enough and the Pack squeak out a win in Curley's house!

I think a lot of the reason the Ryans are in the NFL is down to their surname. Whatever about Rex, who has been decent defensively in the past, Rob is cat. If his last name was Murphy would he be a DC in the NFL? I don't think so. I think a lot of it is he is seen as coming from the same stock as their Dad, and he talks a good game.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 27, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
I could not give less of a shite about Cecil Martin carving turkey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 27, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 27, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
I could not give less of a shite about Cecil Martin carving turkey.

Martin is a terrible analyst, not quite sure why he has some sort of cult following. If you want a cliche he will give you twenty of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 27, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 27, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
I could not give less of a shite about Cecil Martin carving turkey.

Martin is a terrible analyst, not quite sure why he has some sort of cult following. If you want a cliche he will give you twenty of them.

He's an awful analyst and Cadle is a worse host. I'm yet to see him read out a tweet or email correctly since I started watching about five years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2014, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 27, 2014, 07:50:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 27, 2014, 07:39:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 27, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
I could not give less of a shite about Cecil Martin carving turkey.

Martin is a terrible analyst, not quite sure why he has some sort of cult following. If you want a cliche he will give you twenty of them.

He's an awful analyst and Cadle is a worse host. I'm yet to see him read out a tweet or email correctly since I started watching about five years ago.

Fair play to Sky for all the games they show, but you are right about the two lads, especially Kevin 'in our .... ball ....game' Cadle. Since I got NFL Gamepass I usually watch redzone on Sky, and watch a live game on Gamepass. The Sky game is usually blacked out on Gamepass, but not on special occasions like today. Even on a normal Sunday, I have my pick of the games not on Sky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2014, 08:13:14 PM
Gas to see two brothers going against each other, especially when one is a DB and one is a WR. That can't be easy. Did the Barbers (Rhonde and Tiki) ever play against each other I wonder?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2014, 08:35:59 PM
They would have yes

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxvvw0O4U81r2qxiwo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 27, 2014, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 27, 2014, 08:13:14 PM
Gas to see two brothers going against each other, especially when one is a DB and one is a WR. That can't be easy. Did the Barbers (Rhonde and Tiki) ever play against each other I wonder?

In 1997 - the Primeau (Wayne and Keith) brothers fought each other during an ice hockey game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ydg5IeZpFI

Legend has it their mother was in attendance and forbid them to fight each other ever again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 28, 2014, 04:55:15 AM
That's the niners done. Absolutely dreadful tonight. Alex Smith having a wry smile to himself somewhere..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 28, 2014, 08:09:16 AM
3 points at home is pretty piss poor. Sherman had a great time.

Seattle starting to rumble a bit but would want to be converting a few more of their redzone opportunities.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 28, 2014, 01:28:17 PM
Every other team try and keep the ball away from Sherman.  49ers have been a mess all year.  Problems with Harbaugh not helping.
How about those Eagles? Shady Mc Coy starting to step it up the last few weekends, and how about Sanchez?  Thought he was brilliant yesterday and could be forcing himself into the starting spot for good. Next two are tough with Seattle next week followed by the return of the Cowboys to Philly, one which i hope to be at.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 28, 2014, 01:45:26 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/relatedvideos?id=11948534&cid=2459789&backText=NFL%20News%20-%20ESPN&back=http%3A%2F%2Fm.espn.go.com%2Fnfl%2Fnews%3F

Sherman lobbing a bomb at the 49ers' fans in the post-game press conference. Love it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 28, 2014, 09:28:51 PM
Ray Rice wins his appeal

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11949855/ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-wins-appeal-eligible-reinstatement
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 28, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Doubt any team picks him up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 29, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 28, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Doubt any team picks him up

Entitled to pick up his guaranteed pay though?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 29, 2014, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 29, 2014, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 28, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Doubt any team picks him up

Entitled to pick up his guaranteed pay though?

A separate hearing to decide that I think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 29, 2014, 03:46:26 PM
Iron Bowl time again. Both teams looked off-colour against FCS teams last weekend and it was probably because the focus was squarely on this weekend. Bama are going for the SEC title (which will be against Mizzou, who quietly swept up the SEC East yesterday, all the talk was of Georgia this year but Mizzou have now made back-to-back SEC championship games. No mean feat.) and revenge for the Kick-Six game last year. For Auburn it's just about manoeuvring for a better bowl game.. oh, and the Iron Bowl itself.

Hard to describe how much this game looms over Alabama the entire year, it really is one of the greatest rivalries in American sports. The last five winners have made the BCS title game (with four wins) and were Bama to win no one would bet against that streak continuing. Heard another good stat - Auburn have won the last six Iron Bowls where they've been nationally ranked going into the game. They're No. 15 today.

If it's half as good as the 2011 and 2013 Iron Bowls we're in for a treat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 29, 2014, 10:12:02 PM
I'm hoping for an Auburn win because I dont like Saban. Shocking luck for Ohio State today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2014, 12:06:52 AM
Rotten luck for the Buckeyes.  Down to our 3rd string QB Cardale Jones.  Especially bad with Miss State losing to Ole Miss and FSU squeaking by once again.  Will be a very tough task against Wisconsin.  Afraid that Gordon will have a field day next week.  Ah, well, hope Auburn can pull an upset against Bama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2014, 12:51:20 AM
Christ. Some atmosphere in Bryant-Denny.

Even the first two plays have been box office..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 30, 2014, 01:34:06 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 28, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
Doubt any team picks him up

He was playing shit for a year and a half before he got suspended so no reason for any team to bother with him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2014, 01:55:22 AM
Auburn doing a good impression of Florida--having to settle for field goals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2014, 01:59:42 AM
Finally an Auburn TD!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2014, 02:05:03 AM
Cooking up nicely. Auburn got suckered early but they've warmed into the game fully now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2014, 02:32:10 AM
Great first half. Still would be a brave man to call this one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2014, 02:37:29 AM
F**k me. This game is pure gold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2014, 02:38:23 AM

Sims needs to be more careful with ball.  Auburn has all the momentum at the half.  Great stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2014, 03:05:13 AM
And another pick. Three interceptions for Sims. Auburn in good position
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2014, 03:09:37 AM
TD Tigers. 33-21. Sooooooo good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2014, 03:41:34 AM
Oh Boy TD Alabama. This is something else
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2014, 03:49:13 AM
Alabama have the ball.  defense starting to get pressure on Marshall.  Suddenly the momentum has swung to the Tide
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2014, 03:53:05 AM
Two points in it heading into the 4th. Would be a good time for an Auburn stop.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 30, 2014, 03:59:06 AM
Sims making up for the interceptions with the TD. and two point conversion Alabama 42 Auburn 36
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2014, 04:33:45 AM
All over. Better team won, simple as. Bama will be hard to beat again this year and I hope they can get it done now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2014, 04:34:26 AM
Alabama up 55-36 with under 4 minutes left. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 30, 2014, 04:40:23 AM
Auburn lost it in the first half. 2 pick and three 1st and goals from about then 5 yard line and only coming up with three FG not good enough. Should have been out of sight at HT. 

Looking like Bama, FSU, Oregon and one of TCU and Ohio. Mississippi state screwed up today. Oregon could have a banana skin next week vs Arizona.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2014, 04:35:29 PM
Surely Baylor have to be in there if they beat K State. All things being equal they have to be better than  TCU seeing as how they beat them. I feel sorry for Ohio State. They should be there, but I think they are in danger of losing to Wisconsin, and even if they don't, the panel might feel Baylor is a safer bet for the playoffs.

Alabama should easily take care of Mizzou, and become the consensus #1
I think Oregon are nailed on #2 unless they lose again to Arizona. This is a typical Oregon slip up game, but the fact their O-Line is back, and they've lost to AZ twice in a row means I can't see them losing it.
Florida State are unbeaten, and it's hard to argue with them being at least #3, even though they've looked like a team that will lose to the first really good side they meet.
#4 Has to be either Baylor (if they beat KSU) or Ohio State. If Baylor lose, I think it would then be TCU.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2014, 06:53:13 PM
WTF Andy Dalton is killing me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 30, 2014, 06:53:38 PM
If Ohio beat the Badgers next weekend then I think they get the 4th spot. That will give the 4 huge programs in the final 4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2014, 09:46:09 PM
how did Baltimore lose that? Looking forward to Rodgers v Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on November 30, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Just discovered nfl2go. Why am I only finding this now!!

Savage stuff. No more vipbox bullshit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 30, 2014, 10:58:34 PM
Rodgers carving up the Pats D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 30, 2014, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: thejuice on November 30, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Just discovered nfl2go. Why am I only finding this now!!

Savage stuff. No more vipbox bullshit

How does it work?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2014, 09:26:29 AM
Cards are in serious bother now. A few weeks ago I said they might finish 10-6 or 11-5. To be honest I'd take either of those scenarios now. Of course a lot will be said about Stanton, but I watch all their games, and to be honest, it's far from all his fault. He's not as accurate as he should be on the intermediate throws, which kills you, but he throws a good deep ball, and he is very brave. The main issue, as it has been for the whole year, is the running game. They just cannot run the ball, and that allows teams to play with nickel and dime defenses which is even harder to throw against. Add in all the injuries (Ellington went down last night) and it's not a recipe for success. To be honest they're having an exceptional season considering everything, but with a run in of Kansas, Saint Louis (away), Seattle and San Francisco (away), 2 more wins is a lot to ask for.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 30, 2014, 06:53:38 PM
If Ohio beat the Badgers next weekend then I think they get the 4th spot. That will give the 4 huge programs in the final 4

Yeah, if they beat Wisconsin they'll deserve to be in. I just hope the committee doesn't project too much on their QB. A good QB performance in a win would seal it for them I think. A horrible weekend for Ohio State, despite beating Michigan. Losing their second QB through injury, and then having that horrible news about the back up defensive lineman on Sunday..
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11960455/kosta-karageorge-ohio-state-buckeyes-found-dead (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11960455/kosta-karageorge-ohio-state-buckeyes-found-dead) Rest in Peace the poor lad.

Three *Huge* games next weekend. PAC12 title game, Big 10 title game, and Big 12 last day Baylor v K State. Savage implications. I'm assuming 'Bama take care of Missou and Florida State don't trip up against Georgia Tech (not to be taken lightly).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2014, 11:00:52 PM
Scandalous stuff going on in Birmingham - UAB is shuttering its' college football program, in the first year they're bowl-eligible since 2004. UAB is beholden to the University of Alabama board of trustees and they have continually hamstrung UAB's attempts to improve their football program in one of the most rabid college football cities in America. They've blocked plans for on-campus stadiums to replace the crumpling and far-too massive Legion Field as well as actually refused donations intended for the UAB football program. The list goes far beyond that, you could write a book on UA's antics with UAB.

UAB is one of the leading medical universities in the world and is the second biggest employer in the entire state of Alabama - this is a sleeping giant being dictated to by greybeards in Tuscaloosa.

The Blazers will be the first FBS team to shutter since 1995, and the greatest mockery is that it was in a year with huge growth in the stands and on the field. This should have been a year of renewal, not of closure.

I respect the Tide as a team but the crap they've pulled here really leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2014, 07:47:39 AM
I like very little about Alabama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 07, 2014, 11:07:27 AM
Florida win, are unbeaten for the regular season (only team) but I still think they are not in the best 4 teams. Really feel for Ohio sitting at No.5 as I can't see them getting into the top 4 even after a hammering to the Badgers.
Looks like top 4 will be unchanged.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 07, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
Think the manner of Ohio State's win last night will get them in. The fact the big 12 didn't have a championship game is really going to hurt tcu an Baylor
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2014, 12:16:42 PM
I fear you may be right Muck Savage, but if the standard for inclusion is the best four teams in the country right now, then the Bucks should be in.  They staked their claim by crushing a team with the second-ranked defense in the country and the premier running back.  But it's probably not enough.  Having moved TCU to third last week, the committee will face acrimony if they remove the Frogs from the final four, especially since they trounced Iowa State (albeit a winless team in the Big 12).  But let's not forget that they managed a mere four-point victory over a crap Kansas team.  Baylor should be up in arms and ought to be named conference champion since they beat TCU in head-to-head competition. Go Bucks--great win with a third-string QB!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 07, 2014, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 07, 2014, 11:07:27 AM
Florida win, are unbeaten for the regular season (only team) but I still think they are not in the best 4 teams. Really feel for Ohio sitting at No.5 as I can't see them getting into the top 4 even after a hammering to the Badgers.
Looks like top 4 will be unchanged.

It's going to be interesting. Fair play to Ohio state for that sort of performance. The committee has said that they will value conf champions more than co champions, so if Ohio state were close before, they should nearly get in. I too think that tcu and Baylor will suffer for a poor schedule and a co-championship. I wouldn't fancy how they are going to explain tcu over Baylor, so don't be surprised if they take the easy way out .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 07, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Anyone else think that this college playoff is as controversial as the BCS, if not more so. No matter what way committee decide there will be 2 teams left feeling very miffed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2014, 02:14:13 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 07, 2014, 11:07:27 AM
Florida win, are unbeaten for the regular season (only team) but I still think they are not in the best 4 teams. Really feel for Ohio sitting at No.5 as I can't see them getting into the top 4 even after a hammering to the Badgers.
Looks like top 4 will be unchanged.

Everything's pointing to OSU getting in, not it staying the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
Hope you're right, Syf
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2014, 04:18:09 PM
If I were ranking I'd go as follows
1. Oregon
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Florida State
5. Baylor
6. TCU

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 07, 2014, 05:49:38 PM
Decision in

1. Alabama
2. Oregon
3. Florida State
4. Buckeyes

Phew!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2014, 06:32:19 PM
About right, such was the degree of OSU's performance last night. The two best coaches of the modern era - Saban and Meyer - head-to-head. Should be a good one but I'd be disappointed if Bama couldn't beat a team on their third QB for the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 07, 2014, 07:26:02 PM
Really looking forward to Seahawks Eagles.  Will be a good test for Sanchez and the Eagles, a result here will convince everyone they are legit.  Seahawks defense has been improving and impressed last week in San Fran.  Apart from last weeks win their road form hasn't been the most impressive.  Going with Eagles and the home field advantage, feel with Dallas winning Thursday night it has kept the pressure on the Eagles meaning they should want the win that little bit more. They will need big performances from Mc Coy and Sprole to do so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2014, 09:05:24 PM
As said before, green on College ball. But surely the defending champs going unbeaten had to get in.

WTF New Orleans!

Looking forward to Eagles/Hawks, really intriguing battle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 07, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: stringbean on December 07, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Anyone else think that this college playoff is as controversial as the BCS, if not more so. No matter what way committee decide there will be 2 teams left feeling very miffed!

I've said this all along, no matter how many teams are in the playoffs ther teams that just miss out will always be pissed. 4 teams or 8 teams makes no difference. However if 8 teams were used I don't think it would leave little questions about the National champions once complete.

Glad Ohio got in but if TCU were at number 3 last week what did they do to fall 2 places? Bumping them to 3 last week was too high of a bump.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 07, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Looks like it's Johnny Football time in Cleveland next week, Hoyer horrible again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: laoislad on December 07, 2014, 10:44:55 PM
Anyone else watching the MLS Cup Final?
No? Just me then...

Robbie Keane scored the winning point in overtime.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
Yeah double boxing it with Redzone, fair play to him. MVP. MLS seems to be growing well in the U.S, i think it will keep growing. Ronaldo will end up there and further the work Beckham done so well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 07, 2014, 11:27:10 PM
Kaepernick is fairly regressing for the Niners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2014, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 07, 2014, 11:27:10 PM
Kaepernick is fairly regressing for the Niners

Shocking!!! to think York and co gonna go with him and not Harbaugh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2014, 01:39:02 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 07, 2014, 11:31:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 07, 2014, 11:27:10 PM
Kaepernick is fairly regressing for the Niners

Shocking!!! to think York and co gonna go with him and not Harbaugh

Ah sure. Don't say I didn't tell ya. He's an immature yoke who wilts under pressure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2014, 10:15:29 AM
Great win for the Cards last night, despite yet another injury. Cromartie with an Achilles. The offence looked a bit better, even though they sputtered in the red Zone, but Stanton did protect the ball, and had 239 yards and a TD to Jauron Brown. Larry was still not fully fit. They brought in a new back from the practice squad, Kerwynn Williams, and he rushed for 100 yards. The defense was flat in the first half, but they shut the Chiefs down in the second. If the defense can continue to play well, and Williams can at least be a serviceable back, then the season is back on for the Cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on December 08, 2014, 02:25:48 PM
Folks- Is there anywhere online you can watch weekly highlights of all the games? A NFL version of MOTD. Or even highlights of a particular team, in this case the Vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2014, 02:26:49 PM
NFL.COM usually has highlights of all the games. They tend to have a video per game, rather than a roundup type show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 08, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Good win AZ against what is now widely accepted , a very average , limited Chiefs team. Bizarre situation , where the Cardinals are currently the 1 seed in the NFC :o. They will probably still get in as a wild card, but will be gone the first weekend. Best case scenario is a road playoff game against the Falcons. Still a good year. I was at the Pats game last night. If there was a similar system used to rank the NFL like college, the Pats would have to be número uno??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 08, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Good win AZ against what is now widely accepted , a very average , limited Chiefs team. Bizarre situation , where the Cardinals are currently the 1 seed in the NFC :o. They will probably still get in as a wild card, but will be gone the first weekend. Best case scenario is a road playoff game against the Falcons. Still a good year. I was at the Pats game last night. If there was a similar system used to rank the NFL like college, the Pats would have to be número uno??

If the Cardinals had their full team, they'd be well worth number one. And that limited Chiefs team waxed the Patriots, and beat the Seahawks. I don't think there's such a thing as a bad win in the NFL. And I think you're wrong about 'best case' scenario. Best case scenario is they beat the Rams, Seahawks at home, and the 49ers and lock up the #1 seed for the playoffs. Don't dismiss them. They continue to find a way to win, although I would say they are probably the 5th best team in the NFL at this stage at best. If I'm realistic, I think this game against the Rams is going to be very tough. The NFC West is an animal division, and the Rams are going very well at the moment. If the Cards could beat the Rams, I would not be surprised if they took the Seahawks in Arizona. They are 7-0 at home this year.

Bruce Arians should be coach of the year. The amount of lads missing is unbelievable, and really the only bad performance they've had is the one in Atlanta.

And as for the Patriots, as much as I dislike them, and dislike Bellichik, they are unbelievably consistent. It helps they are in a terrible division for this past 10 years or more, but they are unbelievably hard to put away. If the Pats win out, and they surely will now with the  Dolphins and Bills at home, Jets away, then I can't see them beaten in the AFC. I still think a Seahawks or Packers team would beat them in the Superbowl, but sure maybe the Cardinals will win out there :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 08, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 07, 2014, 09:06:36 PM
Quote from: stringbean on December 07, 2014, 01:12:46 PM
Anyone else think that this college playoff is as controversial as the BCS, if not more so. No matter what way committee decide there will be 2 teams left feeling very miffed!

I've said this all along, no matter how many teams are in the playoffs ther teams that just miss out will always be pissed. 4 teams or 8 teams makes no difference. However if 8 teams were used I don't think it would leave little questions about the National champions once complete.

Glad Ohio got in but if TCU were at number 3 last week what did they do to fall 2 places? Bumping them to 3 last week was too high of a bump.

I don't think TCU did much wrong, but it's like I said there. The committee said from the very start that they were going to value Conference championships. So in fairness the Big 12 screwed Baylor (rather than TCU) by ignoring their own guidelines and calling them co-champions. That, more than anything else, opened the door for Ohio State as long as Ohio State took care of the Badgers. For what it's worth, I think Baylor are probably better than either TCU or Ohio State, but I'm not at all surprised that Ohio State got in, as I predicted earlier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 08, 2014, 05:13:11 PM
AZ, with due respect , the Chiefs are crap, they beat the Pats 2 months ago, and Seattle were no where close to were they are now. I like Arizona and hope they do well, but they WILL be a wildcard, and be gone in either Atlanta/Philly or Dallas the first Saturday of the playoffs. Sorry
1) Pats
2) Packers
3) Seattle
4) Denver
5) Indianapolis
6) Detoit
7) Dallas
8) Cincinatti
9) Baltimore
10) Pittsburgh
11) Arizona
12 Philadelphia
As of 9.12am San Diego time Monday  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 08, 2014, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 08, 2014, 05:13:11 PM
AZ, with due respect , the Chiefs are crap, they beat the Pats 2 months ago, and Seattle were no where close to were they are now. I like Arizona and hope they do well, but they WILL be a wildcard, and be gone in either Atlanta/Philly or Dallas the first Saturday of the playoffs. Sorry
1) Pats
2) Packers
3) Seattle
4) Denver
5) Indianapolis
6) Detoit
7) Dallas
8) Cincinatti
9) Baltimore
10) Pittsburgh
11) Arizona
12 Philadelphia
As of 9.12am San Diego time Monday  8)

The Falcons would be doing well to beat a shopping bag these days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 08, 2014, 07:36:02 PM
Seattle looking to be hitting form at the right time. Having the defence  back fit is worrying for the rest of the league. Still fancy the Pack though to take them out.They still look a bit light on offense, depend too much on Wilson's athletic ability.

As for the niners, their regression is staggering this year.

Peytons streak of 51 games with a td throw is over, 2 short of Drew Brees all time record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 09, 2014, 04:13:12 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 08, 2014, 06:33:54 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 08, 2014, 05:13:11 PM
AZ, with due respect , the Chiefs are crap, they beat the Pats 2 months ago, and Seattle were no where close to were they are now. I like Arizona and hope they do well, but they WILL be a wildcard, and be gone in either Atlanta/Philly or Dallas the first Saturday of the playoffs. Sorry
1) Pats
2) Packers
3) Seattle
4) Denver
5) Indianapolis
6) Detoit
7) Dallas
8) Cincinatti
9) Baltimore
10) Pittsburgh
11) Arizona
12 Philadelphia
As of 9.12am San Diego time Monday  8)

The Falcons would be doing well to beat a shopping bag these days.
thats correct. They will probably win the NFC south though, that means a home playoff game against a wildcard. Right now I'd take the Falcons over Arizona at home
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 09, 2014, 10:13:17 AM
So you are guaranteeing the Cards will be a wildcard? God I hope I rub that in your face in 3 weeks time :) Some patronising crap there by the way. They've beaten the Eagles and Cowboys already this year, so why should they be afraid of them now?

Ara look, I can see why you're saying that, but this team is very resiliant. I said several weeks ago that the injuries and schedule meant I'd be happy with 10-6 or 11-5. If that means a wildcard so be it. But this is a serious defense, and they are as game as anyone left. With an injury/missing list of the likes of Dockett, Palmer, Ellington, Matthieu, Cromartie, Fitzgerald, Washington and a load of others, I think making the playoffs in the NFC West is a brilliant achievement. I think they still need one more win to make sure of that.

*However* if they happen to win in Saint Louis (and I make them the underdog there), then it is very possible that they will take Seattle at home, and win the West. People say they don't know how this team is winning games. It's fairly simple. They win games when they don't allow the opponent to score heavily. Then you just need Stanton to score 20 points or so. That's doable, especially if you can run the ball.  The Cardinals haven't been good enough running the ball to be serious contenders, especially with Palmer out, but if they could just get even 80 yards per game on the ground, Stanton is not terrible, and can make some good throws.

I'm delighted with them this year, and the more people write them off, the happier I get when they continue to find a way to win.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 09, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Rodgers is just a machine at the minute. He's getting a serious amount of help from his offensive line. There were times last night he had 6, 7 seconds to make a pass

He tied Favre's record after 100 games - both going 68-32 although Rodgers has thrown for 3,000 more yards, 20 more TDs and half as many interceptions.

He has to be bookies favourite for the MVP 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 09, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
He has 3 interceptions this year!! 3!!!! Luck has actually more yards and more TDs, but Luck also has 13 ints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 09, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
And Luck has a very average run game , whilst Rodgers has Lacy. Rodgers also has 2elite WR's, Luck has 1. Oh, btw, Luck is in his 3rd year, Rodgers is in his 10th. Both great players IMO
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 09, 2014, 05:41:39 PM
Sorry to be a p***k AZ, but, the cardinals have as much as chance of beating Seattle in 2 weeks as I have of playing QB for the Pats next week....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 09, 2014, 10:04:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 09, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
Rodgers is just a machine at the minute. He's getting a serious amount of help from his offensive line. There were times last night he had 6, 7 seconds to make a pass

He tied Favre's record after 100 games - both going 68-32 although Rodgers has thrown for 3,000 more yards, 20 more TDs and half as many interceptions.

He has to be bookies favourite for the MVP

The Pack on offense were unstoppable for the first half. However, against a decent pass defense if Rogers gets into a shoot out against the likes of Brady or Manning it could be interesting. Green Bay looked very shaky on defense, julio Jones put up massive receiving yards to be playing against the Super Bowl favorites.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 09, 2014, 10:26:14 PM
Still think Denver will win it this year even though other teams are showing better form especially Green bay, If anything Denver have gone all wobbly in the past month for no apparent reason. Think Pittsburgh could also be very dangerous but u don't know which steeler team will turn up on any given day>?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 09, 2014, 10:27:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 09, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
And Luck has a very average run game , whilst Rodgers has Lacy. Rodgers also has 2elite WR's, Luck has 1. Oh, btw, Luck is in his 3rd year, Rodgers is in his 10th. Both great players IMO

Lacey has been over 100 yds only twice this year, granted he hasn't been over used, averaging 14 carries a game, but Walter Payton he isn't.

As for Nelson & Cobb its a two way street, he gives them the chance to be elite WRs, Before Lacey came along the Packers had zero run game for quite a few years, bar a season or two from Ryan Grant. Rodgers was still putting up brilliant numbers, his touchdown/interception ratio is amazing.

Love watching him play, but have a feeling their D will let them down in the playoffs.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 09, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 09, 2014, 05:41:39 PM
Sorry to be a p***k AZ, but, the cardinals have as much as chance of beating Seattle in 2 weeks as I have of playing QB for the Pats next week....

With belichik you never know. At least you might get a game at running back. And I really hope I'm quoting those posts back to you in a couple of weeks. 😄
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 10, 2014, 12:40:54 AM
Cam involved in a major car accident today. Two back fracture,s,same kind as  Tony Romo had earlier in year. Looking at the results of the accident he's extremely lucky it's not much worse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2014, 08:10:09 AM
Go Cardinals. A huge win last night by the defense. 12-6 in Saint Louis. And lost another Quarterback. That win guarantees them playoff football I think, as they'll hold all the tiebreakers for the wildcard. It also puts a bit of pressure on the Seahawks against the 49er on Sunday night. Unreal performance by them this year with all the injuries. If they were healthy they'd be genuine superbowl contenders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 12, 2014, 04:08:20 PM
They are in as long as the Eagals Cowboys game does not end in a tie.

Poor luck on a team that has lost its starting QB and RB. Great defense and they will be hard to beat. if they can win one of the last two then they get a home game also. Last two are Seattle and a poor SF team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
I think they'll only get a home game if they win the division, so they'll probably need to win both, unless San Fran can do them a favour on Sunday.

Ryan Lindley is not going to make enough plays to beat the Seahawks or win a playoff game I'm afraid, but the people who are wondering 'how' they are winning games should look at the points conceded this year. Remember Palmer went down for good only about 4 weeks ago, but he missed games prior to that as well with the neck/shoulder nerve.

Cardinals points conceded.

v Chargers 17 points
@Giants 14 points
v 49ers 14 points
@ Broncos 41 points
v Redskins 20 points
at Raiders 13 points
v Eagles 20 points
@ Cowboys 17 points
v Rams 14 points
v Lions 6 points
@ Seahawks 19 points
@ Falcons 29 points
v Chiefs 14 points
@ Rams 6 points.

The Falcons (!) and Broncos games are the outliers so far, but other than that they are basically giving the offense a 20 point target to win games. That's a good defense. Unfortunately, especially with Lindley, 20 points is a big ask at the moment for that offense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 12, 2014, 08:21:47 PM
Bruce Arians is a machine. Maybe the best coach in the league right now. How it took Chuck Pagano getting cancer for him to finally get a HC job is beyond comprehension.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 14, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 14, 2014, 07:57:59 PM
Not too many money signs tonight from Johnny.

How much luck does RG3 have?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 14, 2014, 09:19:39 PM
Huge result in Buffalo with Packers losing and Rodgers having a stinker. Seattle win today and there'll be an almighty tussle for the NFC West to be in with a shout of being top seed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 14, 2014, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 14, 2014, 07:57:59 PM
Not too many money signs tonight from Johnny.

How much luck does RG3 have?

Could be Johnny Clipboard again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 14, 2014, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 14, 2014, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on December 14, 2014, 07:57:59 PM
Not too many money signs tonight from Johnny.

How much luck does RG3 have?

Could be Johnny Clipboard again

I've only been watching NFL about 5/6 years. Has there every been a more ignominious debut compared to the hype?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
He created most of the hype himself with his off field antics. That result today might take his head out of the clouds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2014, 10:14:26 PM
Hows that for a block from Manning!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 14, 2014, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
He created most of the hype himself with his off field antics. That result today might take his head out of the clouds.

The Bowns were hardly any better without him. Terrible run of form after a fast state. Anyone trying to put the boot into Manziel after one game might end up look if very silly indeed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 14, 2014, 10:29:11 PM
Theres no doubt he's a got the talent, his college career proved that.  But i think his lifestyle doesn't help him or the Browns, the media hype puts a lot of pressure on both.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 14, 2014, 10:54:18 PM
Not a Manziel fan, but today's debacle was not entirely his fault.  Offensive line gave him v. Little protection.  Team looked altogether unprepared for a big game. Sin e for another season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 15, 2014, 01:15:03 AM
1: Pats
2: Packers
3: Seattle
4: Denver
5: Detroit
6: Indianapolis
7: Dallas ( after they win tonight)
8: Steelers
9: Cincinatti
10: Baltimore
This ranking is on each teams prospective SB chances, not their current records . 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 15, 2014, 01:18:12 AM
Cant look past Pats alright at this stage. Would have Seattle in second myself especially after todays results.
Dallas aint winning tonight! :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 15, 2014, 02:04:26 AM
maybe they will! Some start!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 15, 2014, 04:06:53 AM
Been some game. Eagles looked like they had taken control but Cowboys replied with two quick touchdowns.  Cowboys lead 35 -27 10 mins to go
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 15, 2014, 04:31:55 AM
Away to bed Cowboys have it sewn up. 11 in it with 3 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 15, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 15, 2014, 01:15:03 AM
1: Pats
2: Packers
3: Seattle
4: Denver
5: Detroit
6: Indianapolis
7: Dallas ( after they win tonight)
8: Steelers
9: Cincinatti
10: Baltimore
This ranking is on each teams prospective SB chances, not their current records . 8)

Now you're doing it on purpose! *If* Seattle beat Arizona and finish 12-4, winning the west, will they have the tiebreaker over the Pack? Because if they do, then they have a better chance than Green Bay.

I see during the week Kurt Warner was tempted to come back when Stanton went down :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 15, 2014, 04:23:29 PM
I see Darren Sharper was indicted on multiple further rape charges in New Orleans on Friday. Shocking story. You'd think that with all the glory and fame these guys get, they'd have no bother picking up women.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gundy on December 16, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 15, 2014, 10:02:16 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 15, 2014, 01:15:03 AM
1: Pats
2: Packers
3: Seattle
4: Denver
5: Detroit
6: Indianapolis
7: Dallas ( after they win tonight)
8: Steelers
9: Cincinatti
10: Baltimore
This ranking is on each teams prospective SB chances, not their current records . 8)

Now you're doing it on purpose! *If* Seattle beat Arizona and finish 12-4, winning the west, will they have the tiebreaker over the Pack? Because if they do, then they have a better chance than Green Bay.

I see during the week Kurt Warner was tempted to come back when Stanton went down :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 22, 2014, 04:37:02 AM
Seattle going to be very hard to beat after tonight's display as much as I dislike them, I have to say it.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 22, 2014, 06:05:08 AM
Domination alright, and I won't be quoting cadhlancian back to him. Never going to win with Lindley, and to be fair not with Stanton either. The 4th quarter makes it look bad, but arizona needs to win 16-9 type games with that offense and Seattle are too strong for that.

So probably away to Dallas or the NFC South, and unless Stanton comes back it will be 1 and done. Even with him it will be tough.

Seattle in the box seat for Super Bowl now you'd have to think. Do they hold the tiebreaker over GB/Detroit?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 22, 2014, 11:04:39 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 22, 2014, 06:05:08 AM
Domination alright, and I won't be quoting cadhlancian back to him. Never going to win with Lindley, and to be fair not with Stanton either. The 4th quarter makes it look bad, but arizona needs to win 16-9 type games with that offense and Seattle are too strong for that.

So probably away to Dallas or the NFC South, and unless Stanton comes back it will be 1 and done. Even with him it will be tough.

Seattle in the box seat for Super Bowl now you'd have to think. Do they hold the tiebreaker over GB/Detroit?

Standings in my app says so. They're really starting to motor, they'll surely wrap it up next week. Packers loss in buffalo could be absolutely crucial.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 22, 2014, 03:44:08 PM
Stanton will be back next week. They said that during the game although he may get an extra week to recover.
Not sure how Seattle end up with top seed as Dallas beat then, but they did say on the TV last night that Seattle had home field throughout. They are going to be hard beat as I thought the only way they could be beat after last night was in a cold weather stadium like GB that won't happn now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 23, 2014, 02:09:28 AM
Seattle have a better record no? Or maybe better in conference record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
Broncos really faltering. Should still secure first round bye but can't see them having a hope of going and winning in Foxborough, if they make it. Some of Manning's picks last night were ugly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 23, 2014, 10:07:44 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
Broncos really faltering. Should still secure first round bye but can't see them having a hope of going and winning in Foxborough, if they make it. Some of Manning's picks last night were ugly.

Mannings arm strength is totally gone, he is getting by on intelligence at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 23, 2014, 10:13:35 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 23, 2014, 02:09:28 AM
Seattle have a better record no? Or maybe better in conference record.

Same record, it's divisional record, head to head then conference record for tie breakers

Dallas 3-2 in division

Seattle 4-1 in division

Looks like head to head is the first tie breaker when it's within the division.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 28, 2014, 07:23:27 PM
Chargers throwing away a play-off spot here unless the famed last quarter charge happens again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Think I posted that back a few months ago! Love Grantland for NBA and NFL, although Simmons is a gobshite of the highest order.

Watt is an utter nonsense. The article captures his dedication perfectly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 28, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
Early games were very good and went to the wire, was looking forwad to Panthers v Falcons but looks to be a boatrace. Harbaugh - looks like it could be Michigan. Who will be the next 49ers coach??????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PM
Cam gettin it done again. Carolina are one of the hottest teams in the NFL right now, despite their record. Very good defence too. Might cause a shock next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 29, 2014, 12:49:10 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PM
Cam gettin it done again. Carolina are one of the hottest teams in the NFL right now, despite their record. Very good defence too. Might cause a shock next weekend.

Beating the bashed up Cards at this stage wouldn't be that much of a shock. Asking Lindley to win a playoff game on the road is a bit much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 29, 2014, 04:36:40 AM
Ah give over Syferus with your Pro SEC BS. Cam Newton is an average ( at best) QB. Atlanta are brutal, and still had a chance to win the division today. To only win 7 games in what was undisputably the NFL's worst division and host a playoff game against a team that won 11 in the TOUGHEST division is a joke. People will say, that's the rules.
Tbh , the only team that Carolina could beat in the playoffs is Arizona and how would it be a shock??
I'd imagine Carolina will be a 4.5 to 5 point favorite in this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 29, 2014, 04:45:26 AM
Also, there were TEN teams who did not make the playoffs , win as many or more games than the Panthers ( 7 won more).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 29, 2014, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 29, 2014, 04:36:40 AM
Ah give over Syferus with your Pro SEC BS.

Pro Can bias you mean.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 29, 2014, 09:02:52 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 29, 2014, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 29, 2014, 04:36:40 AM
Ah give over Syferus with your Pro SEC BS.

Pro Cam bias you mean.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 29, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Think I posted that back a few months ago! Love Grantland for NBA and NFL, although Simmons is a gobshite of the highest order.

Watt is an utter nonsense. The article captures his dedication perfectly.

If Watt doesn't get MVP it's a disgrace. What he is doing is historically great. Next contender is Antonio Brown, simply one of the best WR season's in history.

Talk of Rodgers getting it is a joke. He might be in line for an Oscar though, really knows how to get the officials onside. His TD on the QB sneak fall over and roll was a case in point. Never a TD in a million years though I'm not complaining as it (and Brown's magic) helped me to an unlikely win in my last fantasy league!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 29, 2014, 12:43:49 PM
Another amazing aspect of Watts sack total and QB hits/pressures is he is doing it in a 3-4 defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 29, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 29, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Think I posted that back a few months ago! Love Grantland for NBA and NFL, although Simmons is a gobshite of the highest order.

Watt is an utter nonsense. The article captures his dedication perfectly.

If Watt doesn't get MVP it's a disgrace. What he is doing is historically great. Next contender is Antonio Brown, simply one of the best WR season's in history.

Talk of Rodgers getting it is a joke. He might be in line for an Oscar though, really knows how to get the officials onside. His TD on the QB sneak fall over and roll was a case in point. Never a TD in a million years though I'm not complaining as it (and Brown's magic) helped me to an unlikely win in my last fantasy league!

Ah come on Seanie you can't be serious, Rodgers has had an MVP season, 38 TD & 5 INTs, some QBs in the NFL would throw that many in a game.

Take Rodgers out of that Packers team and they are an 8-8 team. The award is for Most Valuable Player, now nobody could argue much if Watt got it because he has been phenomenal but QBs are the most valuable players on a team.

Look at how teams go to shit when the back up goes in for any length of time.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 29, 2014, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 29, 2014, 04:36:40 AM
Ah give over Syferus with your Pro SEC BS. Cam Newton is an average ( at best) QB. Atlanta are brutal, and still had a chance to win the division today. To only win 7 games in what was undisputably the NFL's worst division and host a playoff game against a team that won 11 in the TOUGHEST division is a joke. People will say, that's the rules.
Tbh , the only team that Carolina could beat in the playoffs is Arizona and how would it be a shock??
I'd imagine Carolina will be a 4.5 to 5 point favorite in this game.

Yawn. It was on the back of using Cam's dual threat abilities again that Carolina kick-started their offense the past five or so games. The defence was always good but the gameplannign on offense became very conservative and vanilla for the first half of the season and there was a marked change during their current streak.

Newton doesn't try to do everything like a Knaepernick or is incapable of reading defences like RG3 appears to be and he is clearly the best dual threat QB in the NFL right now by a good margin, nevermind that he is one of the few with the size and power to play that role without being continually knocked out of games. He's been a key piece of the Panters going 12-4 last season and going back-to-back in their division for the first time ever. He opens up the running game for the likes of Jonathan Stewert, who has had a career year now he's finally stayed fit for most of a season. You'll see just how not-average the Panters rate him when they give him a new contract.

I make no apologies for being a fan of Cam's, but what you posted is so laughable critical it was hard to know where to start. Much the same as your season-long dismissals of the Cardinals, really. It's good to see you finally acknlowding the Cardinals' but it appears pretty duplicitous and cut to suit at this stage of the journey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 29, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
Black Monday in full swing

Trestman (Bears)
Ryan (Jets)
Smith (Falcons)

All fired today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 29, 2014, 03:47:01 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 29, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 29, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Think I posted that back a few months ago! Love Grantland for NBA and NFL, although Simmons is a gobshite of the highest order.

Watt is an utter nonsense. The article captures his dedication perfectly.

If Watt doesn't get MVP it's a disgrace. What he is doing is historically great. Next contender is Antonio Brown, simply one of the best WR season's in history.

Talk of Rodgers getting it is a joke. He might be in line for an Oscar though, really knows how to get the officials onside. His TD on the QB sneak fall over and roll was a case in point. Never a TD in a million years though I'm not complaining as it (and Brown's magic) helped me to an unlikely win in my last fantasy league!

Ah come on Seanie you can't be serious, Rodgers has had an MVP season, 38 TD & 5 INTs, some QBs in the NFL would throw that many in a game.

Take Rodgers out of that Packers team and they are an 8-8 team. The award is for Most Valuable Player, now nobody could argue much if Watt got it because he has been phenomenal but QBs are the most valuable players on a team.

Look at how teams go to shit when the back up goes in for any length of time.

You can say that for practically all the playoff teams. Where would the Patriots be without Brady, Steelers without Big Ben, Denver without Peyton, even Seattle without Wilson. QB is the most important position, that is true. However, it is also a position where the players are protected by the rules because of this so they should be producing big numbers. Rodgers threw very few picks but from what I can see doesn't lead any other passing category so how can he be MVP when he's not clearly MVQB? Nick Foles had a 27-2 TD-Int split last season in 10 starts/13 games so averaged out the TD:INT split would be comparable. So Rodgers had a Nick Foles type season and he's MVP. Gimme a break.

Several QB's were good this year but none tore it up enough to beat the historical seasons of Watt, Brown and Murray in that order. Nobody EVER has had two 20 sack seasons and that's before you take into account the TD's Watt scored. No-one in the league EVER has come close to that production. Many QB's have hit Rodgers numbers, Peyton threw 17 more TD's last season!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 29, 2014, 07:15:59 PM
I give it to Watts myself but it likely go to a qb again. also think Murray of the cowboys and Bell and brown of the steelers have had massive seasons
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on December 29, 2014, 11:06:06 PM
Have to agree with Seanie.
The NFC South, the Jets and a Bears Defence who didn't even try really helped Rodgers profile for the award this season. Not his fault obviously but I think on balance there are a few who should be ahead of him this season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 29, 2014, 11:33:28 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on December 29, 2014, 11:06:06 PM
Have to agree with Seanie.
The NFC South, the Jets and a Bears Defence who didn't even try really helped Rodgers profile for the award this season. Not his fault obviously but I think on balance there are a few who should be ahead of him this season

Ah sure we will agree to disagree, nearly every QB that has put up a big season has feasted on fodder along the way.

Josh Gordon had similar numbers last season to Antonio Brown (while playing two less games, and having Brandon Effing Weeden & Brian Hoyer at QB), there weren't any calls for him to be MVP.

A WR is never winning it, have a look at the previous winners.........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 30, 2014, 03:31:56 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 29, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 29, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Think I posted that back a few months ago! Love Grantland for NBA and NFL, although Simmons is a gobshite of the highest order.

Watt is an utter nonsense. The article captures his dedication perfectly.

If Watt doesn't get MVP it's a disgrace. What he is doing is historically great. Next contender is Antonio Brown, simply one of the best WR season's in history.

Talk of Rodgers getting it is a joke. He might be in line for an Oscar though, really knows how to get the officials onside. His TD on the QB sneak fall over and roll was a case in point. Never a TD in a million years though I'm not complaining as it (and Brown's magic) helped me to an unlikely win in my last fantasy league!

Ah come on Seanie you can't be serious, Rodgers has had an MVP season, 38 TD & 5 INTs, some QBs in the NFL would throw that many in a game.

Take Rodgers out of that Packers team and they are an 8-8 team. The award is for Most Valuable Player, now nobody could argue much if Watt got it because he has been phenomenal but QBs are the most valuable players on a team.

Look at how teams go to shit when the back up goes in for any length of time.
+1 !!
Houston aren't even in the top 20 in defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 30, 2014, 04:28:35 AM
No Syferus , Russell Wilson is by far the best dual threat QB , although Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers might have something to say about that. I watch as much NFL on here as anybody, sad to say probably a lot more. Arizona have been a nice story, but they are average at best. The much vaunted defense is decent, but that's it, Definetly not in the same zip code as Seattles. Seattle hung nearly 600 yards on them 2 weeks ago at home, and Seattle aren't exactly the leagues best offense. Duplicitous ? FFS, go away and ride yourself will you!  ;D
Larry Fitzgerald is a low end WR1 , Michael Floyd is a low end 2 and the 2 Browns are 3 and 4 at best. Andre Ellington hasn't a rushing game over 85 yards and Carson Palmer wasn't much use in Oakland or Cincinatti, although he would be a massive upgrade on what's there right now. I haven't been sold on Cardinals at any point this season, period, so I don't know where you are getting this feeling that I'm beginning to feel them? Should Arizona win this weekend, Roscommon would have more chance of going to Seattle or Greenbay....
Would you agree that the NFC South is the worst division in the nfl??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 30, 2014, 10:02:07 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 10, 2014, 02:39:53 PM
I would of course. They are 8-1. 10-6 means they finish 2-5. But what I'm saying is that even if that is what happens, you'd have a decent chance of a playoff spot. If Palmer wasn't injured, I think they'd be looking to finish 12-4 or 13-3 at this stage.

Drew Stanton is a good backup, but he's a backup. Larry Fitz might fall off productivity wise with Stanton, and Ellington might be the next lad to get injured because he's going to get more work.

They still have to play in Seattle and in San Francisco. They also have Seattle at home. That's 3 tough games right there with a backup QB. (Now mind you Stanton beat the Niners early in the year). They have Detroit and Chiefs at home as well, and Falcons and Rams away. I think 10-6 would be disappointing where we are now, but if the Cardinals were to be offered 10-6 at the start of the season, with all the injuries they have, that would be seen as a great season. There's a right good team being cooked there.

I can't disagree too much about their prospects but I think you are underestimating the Cardinals down the road. This is what I wrote when they were 8-1 and I think it's a fairer synopsis than yours. This season has been a very successful one for Arizona, and the defence has been the main reason, apart from a couple of bad days, Seattle in Arizona being one. San francisco was another. Remember they held Seattle to 19 points up in Seattle though.

I expect Carolina and Cam to beat them at home, but I won't be surprised if the Cards pull one more upset.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 30, 2014, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 30, 2014, 03:31:56 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 29, 2014, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 29, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 28, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Once again, Watt is a nonsense. All in vain though if Ravens can hold their lead.

Good article on how Watt prepares for a season

http://grantland.com/features/j-j-watt-houston-texans-2014-nfl-preview/

Think I posted that back a few months ago! Love Grantland for NBA and NFL, although Simmons is a gobshite of the highest order.

Watt is an utter nonsense. The article captures his dedication perfectly.

If Watt doesn't get MVP it's a disgrace. What he is doing is historically great. Next contender is Antonio Brown, simply one of the best WR season's in history.

Talk of Rodgers getting it is a joke. He might be in line for an Oscar though, really knows how to get the officials onside. His TD on the QB sneak fall over and roll was a case in point. Never a TD in a million years though I'm not complaining as it (and Brown's magic) helped me to an unlikely win in my last fantasy league!

Ah come on Seanie you can't be serious, Rodgers has had an MVP season, 38 TD & 5 INTs, some QBs in the NFL would throw that many in a game.

Take Rodgers out of that Packers team and they are an 8-8 team. The award is for Most Valuable Player, now nobody could argue much if Watt got it because he has been phenomenal but QBs are the most valuable players on a team.

Look at how teams go to shit when the back up goes in for any length of time.
+1 !!
Houston aren't even in the top 20 in defense.

Exactly - people still can't stop JJ Watt when they don't have much else to worry about. That's what makes him even more extraordinary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 30, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 30, 2014, 04:28:35 AM
No Syferus , Russell Wilson is by far the best dual threat QB , although Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers might have something to say about that. I watch as much NFL on here as anybody, sad to say probably a lot more. Arizona have been a nice story, but they are average at best. The much vaunted defense is decent, but that's it, Definetly not in the same zip code as Seattles. Seattle hung nearly 600 yards on them 2 weeks ago at home, and Seattle aren't exactly the leagues best offense. Duplicitous ? FFS, go away and ride yourself will you!  ;D
Larry Fitzgerald is a low end WR1 , Michael Floyd is a low end 2 and the 2 Browns are 3 and 4 at best. Andre Ellington hasn't a rushing game over 85 yards and Carson Palmer wasn't much use in Oakland or Cincinatti, although he would be a massive upgrade on what's there right now. I haven't been sold on Cardinals at any point this season, period, so I don't know where you are getting this feeling that I'm beginning to feel them? Should Arizona win this weekend, Roscommon would have more chance of going to Seattle or Greenbay....
Would you agree that the NFC South is the worst division in the nfl??

The NFC South is the worst division this year but Carolina are far from the worst team left. They are in as good form as any team left and as Settle did (in their 7-9 season), and the Giants and Packers did in their last Super Bowl seasons, being hot is far more important than your record or division. It will take a good team to beat Carolina.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 30, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
Being hot?? Beating a brutal Atlanta t, Tampa narrowly, Cleveland narrowly at home and an equally bad Saints team makes you hot?? Before that stretch of greatness they hadn't won a game in EIGHT weeks FFS . They have one win against a decent team this year ( Detroit ), Arizona at least have a few marquis wins on their resume. I expect Carolina to win on Saturday , but they'll be gone the following week. I guarantee you that ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 01, 2015, 04:46:45 PM
Now the brave new world of the college football playoffs actually starts. Two great match-ups today. Duck-Bama to meet in the title game for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 10:30:46 PM
Great games so far today. SEC west getting a bit of a trimming so far in bowls. Both Mississippi schools, LSU and today auburn losing to Wisconsin. Worth remembering Wisconsin lost by 59 to Ohio state or something like that. Maybe Ohio state can rattle alabama after all. Really hope Oregon beat Florida state.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 01, 2015, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 10:30:46 PM
Great games so far today. SEC west getting a bit of a trimming so far in bowls. Both Mississippi schools, LSU and today auburn losing to Wisconsin. Worth remembering Wisconsin lost by 59 to Ohio state or something like that. Maybe Ohio state can rattle alabama after all. Really hope Oregon beat Florida state.

Wouldn't read much into the meaningless bowl games. Sure Oklahoma beat Bama in a bowl game last year. For Auburn I know the goal was a national title this year so they really couldn't be fully engaged in a lower-tier bowl game no matter how hard they tried. Both Mississippi teams are totally green when it comes to big bowl games too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 10:41:49 PM
But what can you read into then? SEC teams traditionally play cupcakes out of conference, so the only time you see them is in bowls. I think the SEC is the strongest conference but it is not as strong as people make out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 01, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 10:41:49 PM
But what can you read into then? SEC teams traditionally play cupcakes out of conference, so the only time you see them is in bowls. I think the SEC is the strongest conference but it is not as strong as people make out.

I think you can read nothing into it. Bowl games apart from the now-three that actually mean something are nothing short of glorified dog-and-pony shows. Maybe for colleges like Miss St. That have had a lot of bad years they mean something but for the likes of Alabama, Auburn and LSU that regularly challenge for SEC and national titles they really are nothing but a farewell to graduating seniors and a cash cow. It's such a broken system that you get so many pointless games at the end of the college football season, it'd be like before the AISFs the GAA started matching up counties not in the semis for a round of challenge matches.

I don't think Wisconsin winning a close one against Auburn is any indicator for tonight, Wisconsin were never 59 points worse than the Buckeyes on the season but it was one of those aberrant results that happens every now and then.

Other conferences have gotten better this year but the SEC West (the East is a much easier ride right now) is still a wreck for any team with national title aspirations. That Bama have built a dynasty out of that division is one of the most remarkable achievements in college football history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 11:47:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 01, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 10:41:49 PM
But what can you read into then? SEC teams traditionally play cupcakes out of conference, so the only time you see them is in bowls. I think the SEC is the strongest conference but it is not as strong as people make out.

I think you can read nothing into it. Bowl games apart from the now-three that actually mean something are nothing short of glorified dog-and-pony shows. Maybe for colleges like Miss St. That have had a lot of bad years they mean something but for the likes of Alabama, Auburn and LSU that regularly challenge for SEC and national titles they really are nothing but a farewell to graduating seniors.

I know what they are, I've watched them long enough, some are like that, some are not. And you can easily tell.

My point Is I've heard things like "there are 6 teams in the SEC that would win every other conference" and it is only based on how they are doing in the SEC. Until they play good teams from other conferences it's hard to gauge exactly how good they are. And because of the SECs scheduling, it's usually in bowl games.

I'll give you LSU v Notre Dame, but Mississippi state and ole miss would have wanted to win their bowl games, as would auburn. You say that Auburns only goal was national championship, but that's the case for probably 8 or 10 teams, and teams like Michigan State, TCU and others can move on.

As I said, I do think the SEC is great, but it is definitely over estimated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 01, 2015, 11:51:07 PM
No better sight in sports than the fat man touchdown

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IG0FwWQVkxc/VKWvbUYrPgI/AAAAAAAAxtw/AOUe2SzGSLY/s1600/390td.0.gif)

Baylor's kicker got killed earlier as well

(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/9fUczg4xRtaLvzuivqiZtAXLgNc=/800x0/filters:no_upscale%28%29/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2895502/kickerblammo.0.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 01, 2015, 11:52:57 PM
That kicker got absolutely wrote off alright. Felt sorry for him. That game definitely meant something to both Baylor and Michigan State 😄
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JimStynes on January 01, 2015, 11:53:11 PM
What way does the whole system work? There isn't an actual All America final or anything? Are the leagues divided up by location of the Colleges?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 12:38:53 AM
A selection committee of thirteen people, including a few college athletic directors and even former Secretary of State Condaleeza Rice  determine who the best four teams are and those four team compete in a knockout bracket.  As for the conferences themselves, they are generally arranged by geographical location, and their names often indicate where they're located. E.g The Southeastern Conference, The Atlantic Coast, The Pacific Coast. The other two of the so-called Power Five are The Big Ten (mostly the Midwest) and The Big Twelve (mostly the south--Texas, Oklahoma etc.). There is no All America playoff to determine who the best teams are, which is why Baylor and Texas Christian feel hard done by that they were not selected as members of the final four.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 01:03:45 AM
Looks like the streak is over, Oraisteach. It was a great one in fairness, and given their frailties that have been apparent throughout this year it was an achievement in itself for the 'Noles to reach the national semis undefeated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 01:12:30 AM
I hope not, but  I fear Cardale Jones will throw interceptions against Bama secondary in the second game.  Go Bucks, prove me wrong, but no confidence with a 3rd string QB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 01:21:35 AM
Wow, the Noles turn the ball over five times in about twenty minutes--tough to watch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 02:23:47 AM
This one is going at a mile a minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 02:48:17 AM
So far, way too easy for 'Bama.  Jones looks like a QB making his second start, and the right side of OSU's defensive line looks very porous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 04:34:44 AM
See another SEC team not taking the Bowl games serious. Ohio all over 'Bama right now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 04:40:39 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 04:34:44 AM
See another SEC team not taking the Bowl games serious. Ohio all over 'Bama right now!

You could be eating some of that muck soon. The Tide were never going to lie down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 02, 2015, 04:44:33 AM
This is a fantastic game. Enjoying the Ohio run but 'Bama are fantastic. The QB sneaks are great.   
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 04:57:52 AM
No chicken-counting yet.   A whole quarter left and Bama are playing with fire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 05:09:56 AM
This is almost as good as an Iron Bowl ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 02, 2015, 05:14:23 AM
Referee? That's roughing the kicker!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 05:19:49 AM
That Bama kicker is killing us.  We need a drive of some sort here.  Can't give the Tide the ball in good field position. Elliott needs to make an appearance this half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 05:23:54 AM
Elliott makes his appearance on cue!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 05:29:52 AM
C'mon Bucks.  Hang on Sloopy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 05:33:20 AM
Ohio making a game of it against the great SEC team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 05:33:48 AM
Great game by the way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 05:33:20 AM
Ohio making a game of it against the great SEC team.

You've managed to jump the gun twice in one half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 05:43:13 AM
What a terrific game.  Go Bucks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 02, 2015, 05:43:54 AM
That was great watching. Big win for Ohio. Think on balance they deserved it despite some poor play calling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 05:46:04 AM
Now it's over. Great, great game. Bama needed something out of those two pin-back punts but they got nothing, that was where they lost the game and the Buckeyes won it.

Makes for an interesting title game now. Dunno who I want to win it now. Maybe the Ducks because they've never won any national title, but it would be a hell of a story if the Buckeyes did it with their third string QB and only a couple of seasons removed from the sanctions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2015, 05:47:40 AM
Great stuff from Ohio state. I rest my case. SEC is the best conference, but not by as much as we've been told.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 05:53:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2015, 05:37:56 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 02, 2015, 05:33:20 AM
Ohio making a game of it against the great SEC team.

You've managed to jump the gun twice in one half.

A Backup QB and a RB with a Career high yardage beat the might of the SEC defense, enough from you about the SEC. Big 10 and PAC 12 now.

The playoffs are great, will soon be 8 teams. Didn't think Florida were good enough for it before hand and after today shows they were not good enough. TCU would have been a better team in the Playoffs.

2nd game was a great game to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2015, 06:33:17 PM
As one commenter put it, the South hasn't been in such mourning since they surrendered in the Civil War at Appomattox Court House.  Rough times for the SEC West and a good showing by the Big Ten, at last. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 02, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
To the Rodgers haters - he got 44 votes out of 50 for the QB Position on the AP All Pro team  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 03, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
To the Rodgers haters - he got 44 votes out of 50 for the QB Position on the AP All Pro team  ;)

So approx 1 in 8 do not think he was the best QB in the NFL this season. I'm possibly in that camp, definitely not MVP though. If I am a "hater" cos of that so be it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 04, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
Very surprised to see the Ravens topple the Steelers. The other game was awful. Panthers "got it done" in spite of rather than thanks to newton.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2015, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 04, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
Very surprised to see the Ravens topple the Steelers. The other game was awful. Panthers "got it done" in spite of rather than thanks to newton.

Bell a big loss to the Steelers, when the other team knows you can't run on them it makes life a lot easier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 04, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 04, 2015, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 04, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
Very surprised to see the Ravens topple the Steelers. The other game was awful. Panthers "got it done" in spite of rather than thanks to newton.

Bell a big loss to the Steelers, when the other team knows you can't run on them it makes life a lot easier.

True but still thought they'd have enough. Entering Q4 (maybe late in Q3) last week the Ravens were missing playoffs altogether. Now go to NE where a few might be spooked after events of a few years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 04, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 03, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
To the Rodgers haters - he got 44 votes out of 50 for the QB Position on the AP All Pro team  ;)

So approx 1 in 8 do not think he was the best QB in the NFL this season. I'm possibly in that camp, definitely not MVP though. If I am a "hater" cos of that so be it.
Who would your MVP be Seanie?
Rodgers v impressive this year IMO.
Not sure how bad his inj is!

Think the ravens were the 'form team' so expected them to pip inconsistent steelers.

Same could be said of the panthers being the form team beating cardinals - but I thought the cards might just do enough to win. But obv I was way wrong!

Bro thinks it's patriots v packers but I think there will be an upset or two yet!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 04, 2015, 04:07:15 PM
The Cardinals had 78 total yards yesterday :o. Arguably the worst team to ever play in the playoffs, but on there 3 QB that was always going to be the case. Carolina very average also. If  Newton plays like that yesterday in Seattle or Greenbay, it will over after the 1st quarter.
Levion Bell was a massive loss to the steelers. It allowed more coverage in their secondary, and that was that. Gronkowski will be a different animal for them next week though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
That was brutal. Still a very good year for AZ, but jaysus I could throw the ball better than lindley. I'm not even sure I'm joking!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2015, 04:30:53 PM
Carolina's defence was stellar, even accounting for Lindley. The next game will force Carolina to push themselves on offense though, they only needed to control that game on the ground to win it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 04, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
How to make Alabama cookies: Put in bowl with sugar and beat for three hours.  A little levity before we (the Buckeyes) get turned into duck soup next Monday, or maybe not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2015, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 04, 2015, 04:35:09 PM
How to make Alabama cookies: Put in bowl with sugar and beat for three hours.  A little levity before we (the Buckeyes) get turned into duck soup next Monday, or maybe not.

FSU were only waiting for a good team to put them out of their misery, if we were putting teams in on merit alone rather than record TCU should have been in but no committee would have excluded the undefeated defending national champions. OSU will give Oregon plenty to chew on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 04, 2015, 06:17:11 PM
Defense was stellar??  Would you dispute that that was arguably the worst offense to ever play in the playoffs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 04, 2015, 06:17:11 PM
Defense was stellar??  Would you dispute that that was arguably the worst offense to ever play in the playoffs?

Statistically they were but you'd be mad to think it had nothing to do with Carolina. The LBs were in particular exceptional and have been most of the year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 04, 2015, 07:12:50 PM
Jesus wept, I had recorded the cardinal s panthers game and avoided the score all day. That was brutal viewing.  Even accepting all the injuries, you would expect more of a contest.Were it not for the panthers mistakes it would have been catastrophic!

Steelers Ravens was a decent game but the lack of a run threat cost pittsburgh in the end.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Fck how is Andy Dalton making $20m this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 04, 2015, 11:36:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 04, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Fck how is Andy Dalton making $20m this year

AJ Green is making him most of that total.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 05, 2015, 01:31:02 AM
Good come from behind win for the cowboys. Lions got a little too conservative too early , instead of playing the way that had gotten them an early lead. Carolina will get trounced in a Seattle next week, the Pats will shut down the Ravens , the cowboys will lose narrowly in a classic to the packers, and Denver will comfortably beat the colts. So there you have it :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 05, 2015, 01:55:50 AM
Have always thought that if the Ravens got into the playoffs they'd be hard beat and NE will be up against it next week. Would love to see the Colts beating Denver, again it will be all about Payton and the return of his old team but I hope this is when Luck outshines him.
Two great weekends ahead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 04, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 03, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
To the Rodgers haters - he got 44 votes out of 50 for the QB Position on the AP All Pro team  ;)

So approx 1 in 8 do not think he was the best QB in the NFL this season. I'm possibly in that camp, definitely not MVP though. If I am a "hater" cos of that so be it.
Who would your MVP be Seanie?
Rodgers v impressive this year IMO.
Not sure how bad his inj is!

Think the ravens were the 'form team' so expected them to pip inconsistent steelers.

Same could be said of the panthers being the form team beating cardinals - but I thought the cards might just do enough to win. But obv I was way wrong!

Bro thinks it's patriots v packers but I think there will be an upset or two yet!

JJ Watt.

I think Dallas could give the Packers a tough enough shake of it, especially if they get Murray going and control the clock which is highly possible. If they survive that they've most likely to beat Seattle in Seattle. I wouldn't put money on the Packers making the SB.

In the AFC it looks like the Patriots have to be warm favourites. Denver look to have made a conscious attempt to run the ball more and take the load off Peyton Manning a little. Is that to keep things fresh or is he struggling? We will find out. I'm leaning towards the latter but perhaps they are just keeping their powder dry for the bigger/biggest tests. Indy are capable of going there and beating them. It should be a really good game. Can't see Baltimore, even with "the best QB in football" beating the Pats in Foxboro. Just think the Pats have so many options all over the place that they'll come up with enough plays to win the AFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 05, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
Sounds heretical, but if Manning was QB for the Colts, and Luck for the Broncos, I could not see the Colts getting within two touchdowns. I think Manning's arm strength (never his best asset) is gone, and he is surviving on smarts. He struggled as a 'dome' quarterback on the road in places like Pittsburgh and New England. I think Luck is a stronger armed QB, and probably better equipped to deal with cold/windy weather.

If Denver win, I think it will be on the back of their running game. The Colts were able to stop Hill and Bernard largely because AJ Green wasn't on the field, so you could have a safety cheat up. Too many WRs in Denver to do that, so I think the Broncos may be able to win on the ground.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2015, 04:39:01 PM
Agree with all that pretty much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 05, 2015, 06:44:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 05, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 04, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 03, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
To the Rodgers haters - he got 44 votes out of 50 for the QB Position on the AP All Pro team  ;)

So approx 1 in 8 do not think he was the best QB in the NFL this season. I'm possibly in that camp, definitely not MVP though. If I am a "hater" cos of that so be it.
Who would your MVP be Seanie?
Rodgers v impressive this year IMO.
Not sure how bad his inj is!

Think the ravens were the 'form team' so expected them to pip inconsistent steelers.

Same could be said of the panthers being the form team beating cardinals - but I thought the cards might just do enough to win. But obv I was way wrong!

Bro thinks it's patriots v packers but I think there will be an upset or two yet!

JJ Watt.

I think Dallas could give the Packers a tough enough shake of it, especially if they get Murray going and control the clock which is highly possible. If they survive that they've most likely to beat Seattle in Seattle. I wouldn't put money on the Packers making the SB.

In the AFC it looks like the Patriots have to be warm favourites. Denver look to have made a conscious attempt to run the ball more and take the load off Peyton Manning a little. Is that to keep things fresh or is he struggling? We will find out. I'm leaning towards the latter but perhaps they are just keeping their powder dry for the bigger/biggest tests. Indy are capable of going there and beating them. It should be a really good game. Can't see Baltimore, even with "the best QB in football" beating the Pats in Foxboro. Just think the Pats have so many options all over the place that they'll come up with enough plays to win the AFC.
He's good but maybe no Richard dent yet!!
Could be a good shout with no single outstanding offensive standout IMO
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:25:38 AM
No outstanding offensive candidate? 38 TDs, 7 ints, 2 rushing TDs , nearly 4400 pass yards and over 200 rushing yards isn't enough for you? Total rating of over 114. Guys, if Rodgers continues for say another 5 or 6 years at his current rate, he'll own nearly every record in the history of QBs. He has been lights out all year, Seanie , you are a Bears fan. That is why you don't like him. Don't be spouting any other dung about this and that, the fact is you simply don't like cos he's a packer. That's fair enough. ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:43:40 AM
Btw, Seanie you were pointing out that Rodgers was playing against bad secondaries, thus his numbers. Watt played against Two teams that had O-lines ranked in the top 15. He had one sack total against both.... Goose and gander and all that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 06, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:25:38 AM
No outstanding offensive candidate? 38 TDs, 7 ints, 2 rushing TDs , nearly 4400 pass yards and over 200 rushing yards isn't enough for you? Total rating of over 114. Guys, if Rodgers continues for say another 5 or 6 years at his current rate, he'll own nearly every record in the history of QBs. He has been lights out all year, Seanie , you are a Bears fan. That is why you don't like him. Don't be spouting any other dung about this and that, the fact is you simply don't like cos he's a packer. That's fair enough. ;)

Two QB's threw more TD's.

The INT's stat is impressive (actually only 5), though Nick Foles had a season with a similar INT rate as I pointed out earlier on his thread.

Six QB's threw for more yards (including Matt Ryan and Eli Manning).

Tony Romo had a better QBR (Rodgers was 112.2 according to NFL.com, Romo 113.2).

Six QB's rushed for more yards including Andrew Luck who also had one more rushing TD.

Rodgers had a very good season but I would argue that Luck for example, was a far more valuable player. His stats are better in all categories except INT's and QBR and his team had no running game to speak of. At the very least it's a close call.

As for this rant:

QuoteSeanie , you are a Bears fan. That is why you don't like him. Don't be spouting any other dung about this and that, the fact is you simply don't like cos he's a packer. That's fair enough

Grow up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 06, 2015, 03:02:11 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:43:40 AM
Btw, Seanie you were pointing out that Rodgers was playing against bad secondaries, thus his numbers. Watt played against Two teams that had O-lines ranked in the top 15. He had one sack total against both.... Goose and gander and all that.
Re read what I said

No SINGLE outstanding candidate doesn't mean there was none !!

I like Rodgers btw.
Prefer foles but I'm biased
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2015, 03:06:13 PM
Rodgers is class, but I think there are a few excellent offensive performers this year. Demarco Murray couldn't be far off the voting either. JJ Watt is my MVP because he is such an anomaly at that position. I know that's not the criterion for selection, technically, but he is so good and so versatile and so unique, I think he is the MVP of the League.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 06, 2015, 03:10:31 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:43:40 AM
Btw, Seanie you were pointing out that Rodgers was playing against bad secondaries, thus his numbers. Watt played against Two teams that had O-lines ranked in the top 15. He had one sack total against both.... Goose and gander and all that.

I never said anything of the sort. Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on January 06, 2015, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 04, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
That was brutal. Still a very good year for AZ, but jaysus I could throw the ball better than lindley. I'm not even sure I'm joking!
Panthers were also that poor that the Cards still could have won had the punter not put in the worst performance from a kicker I've ever seen. Gave the Panthers decent field position every time.

But season effectively ended for the Cards when Palmer got injured. Stanton probably would have got the job done last week but wouldnt have next week. If Palmer had been fit it would have been home field advantage all they way through and that would have given a glimmer of hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:01:32 PM
I got you mixed up with someone else Seanie, he was backing up a point you made, but it it was his comment. Apologies. Eli, and Matt Ryan both have more passing yards because both teams were behind in many games for much of the year, and there running game wasn't as good as Green Bays. Luck also had 16 picks and threw the ball nearly 100 times more than Rodgers. Both Ryan and Eli had 14 picks. Ryan had a few more passing yards, on over a 100 more passing attempts. Eli had a bit more , on nearly 100 more attempts. Watt is a great player, there is no doubt about that. If he continues doing what he's doing , he will be a first ballot hall of famer, no doubt. The texans were the 16 ranked defense this year, and as I said earlier , he had ONE sack against Olines in the top half of rankings? Great player, but not an MVP for me, but sure who knows ..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2015, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 06, 2015, 03:34:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 04, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
That was brutal. Still a very good year for AZ, but jaysus I could throw the ball better than lindley. I'm not even sure I'm joking!
Panthers were also that poor that the Cards still could have won had the punter not put in the worst performance from a kicker I've ever seen. Gave the Panthers decent field position every time.

But season effectively ended for the Cards when Palmer got injured. Stanton probably would have got the job done last week but wouldnt have next week. If Palmer had been fit it would have been home field advantage all they way through and that would have given a glimmer of hope.

I agree. Well, I'm not sure about homefield all the way through because they'd probably still have struggled to beat Seattle, but I think they'd have finished 13-3 or thereabouts. They'd have beaten Atlanta and the 49ers.

You're also right about the punter. Yet another injury change. Dave Zastudil was the punter and he was very good. Ted Ginn Jr probably also played himself out the door, he's been poor on returns all year.

One of the things about the Cardinals, in relation to their offense, is they are not built to be a running offense at all. Scat backs like Ellington and the like are supposed to break the odd big one, but really serve as pass protects and dump off. Stepfan Taylor (or Jonathan Dwyer!) were supposed to be the 3 yards and a cloud of dust between the tackles runners. But they were a sideshow. Everything hinged on protecting Palmer, and using the passing game to move the ball. The running game was always going to just 'keep teams honest'.  If you look at coaches film, which I sadly do, you can even see the way the O-Line blocks is tailored towards pass protect. They don't fire off the ball like a good running O-Line does. They do the kick slide, into a passing pocket, and they are decent at that (although Bobbie Massie at right tackle has been weak). But they are not a physical, blood and snots, O Line that will pound you.

That's fine and dandy, but the problem was when Lindley, and to a lesser extent Stanton, were at QB the opposition just said 'OK, we don't think you can score on us through the air, so we're going to put 8 or 9 lads in the box and stop you even running the ball 3 yards. Then if you can't pass either, you are bollixed'. That's how it played out. Running game non-existent against a solid run defense like Seattle and/or Carolina. Passing game pathetic. Defense completely worn out after a long season and many injuries. Game over.

Carson Palmer is no Aaron Rodgers, but he's an NFL calibre QB and the Cardinals would have had the ball longer, scored more and protected the defense a bit better with him I think. When he went down, the whole offense tried to become something it wasn't built to be, and that's not a recipe for success. When Stanton went down, it got even more lopsided.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 09:26:44 PM
Here we go, would love Baltimore to get the win.  Think they have a decent chance, but sit;; have to fancy Brady in Foxboro.  Seahawks should take care of Panthers later.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 09:39:19 PM
Nice start Ravens! 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 10:04:51 PM
Patriots need to get something going before this game is gone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 10, 2015, 10:49:36 PM
And we're tied at 14
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 11:01:03 PM
Good reply from Pats. A score now before the half would be massive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 11:03:22 PM
Oooohhh, Brady picked off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 11:09:33 PM
Ravens will go in leading. TD Daniels. Crazy game so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2015, 11:11:16 PM
Mr January
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2015, 11:13:24 PM
The fûck is it with Joe Flacco and the playoffs. Average as all hell in the regular season and he looks like Joe Montana in the playoffs. He's never even made a Pro Bowl and all you need to do to get one of those nominations is be known by a few teenagers in your local area..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel on January 10, 2015, 11:27:57 PM
Like Brady though not really the patriots but i f**king Hate the Ravens along with Seattle, suppose thats the steeler and 49 fan coming out in me
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 11:38:52 PM
Flacco again with a great throw!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 10, 2015, 11:40:09 PM
How easy was that! Ravens lead by 14 again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2015, 06:39:23 PM
Rex Ryan is new Bills coach
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 11, 2015, 07:06:13 PM
The fat buffoons fascination with the Pats and Belichick continues.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2015, 08:04:35 PM
Starting to get chippy in Green Bay.  Tough tough game from both sides so far
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
I think th Cowboys are better equipped to beat Seahawks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2015, 08:33:39 PM
Its been another great game so far. Tough one to call yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 11, 2015, 08:45:20 PM
As much as i hate to say it Rodgers is a class act
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2015, 09:02:31 PM
It's a shit rule
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
trying to figure out how but I can't see how that call got overturned, surely he was down? even on replay I can't make sense of it? Any rules guys there explain to me how?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 11, 2015, 09:08:07 PM
Big call but the right one.  Was some effort all the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2015, 09:12:15 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 09:07:48 PM
trying to figure out how but I can't see how that call got overturned, surely he was down? even on replay I can't make sense of it? Any rules guys there explain to me how?

If Bryant had caught it, secured it and dropped to the ground it would have been a catch but because he went for the extra effort the ball did touch the ground, it was the right call and has been called like that since Calvin Johnson against the Bears a few years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 09:15:54 PM
wow, no horse in that race but if I was a cowboys fan I'd be pissed. The view here (of a lot of cowboys haters)was that was an amazing catch and he was surely down.

looking forward to this Denver Indy game. Expect this to be a cracker...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 11, 2015, 09:25:09 PM
Unreal game by #12 operating on 1 leg. Best QB in the NFL.

Unfortunately Packers need him 100% fit to beat the Hawks in Seattle. That loss to buffalo really hitting now too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
I know there was talk about Peyton not retiring this season but given how significantly his arm has faded this year (it was never 100% after the four neck surgeries in the first place) it must be on the table. It would be almost poetic if his last game was losing to Luck and the Colts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 11, 2015, 09:36:10 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 09:15:54 PM
wow, no horse in that race but if I was a cowboys fan I'd be pissed. The view here (of a lot of cowboys haters)was that was an amazing catch and he was surely down.

looking forward to this Denver Indy game. Expect this to be a cracker...

My issue with the Bryant catch is what is meant to the ground. If you are running with the ball you are down when an elbow or knee hits the ground. Bryant took two steps with the ball and then his elbow hit. Throughout Bryant has the ball. Why in the rule is he not down there? I can understand the call if his right elbow hadn't hit obviously before the ball starts to move.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 11, 2015, 09:36:23 PM
Why would any league want that play cancelled out, unreal skill. He tucked it under with 1 hand and then reached. i know by definition its not a catch.

Also what pisses me off is the taking of the knee. FFS the game could be over with nearly 2 mins left. They should stop the clock for a knee or slide and make team win the game and let the losing team a chance to make a play. I know on the other side of the coin 30 secs with 3 Timeouts is a bunch of time but if the league is really pushing globally then i think they should look into these rules.

Looking forward to next game, whereas i was rooting the Cowboys last game i dont mind who wins this, also like Pats whos waiting so I sit back and enjoy. Going for Indy 30-31 Den.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 11, 2015, 09:49:49 PM
G that one was sore on Dallas, great game though, i dont know why they mess around with the rules, yesteryear that would have been a great catch and counted
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 11, 2015, 10:08:38 PM
If the Pats go on and win the Super Bowl this year, would that elevate Brady to the greatest QB of all time? He's already in that equation, I'd have to say yes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
Mike Perreira explains the catch here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5R-HcyITE&sns=em
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 11, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
Mike Perreira explains the catch here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5R-HcyITE&sns=em

It doesn't explain it though. Why is he not down when his right elbow hits as a runner would be?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 11, 2015, 10:38:56 PM
A football move they say?? He took 2 steps after the catch FFS  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 11, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
Mike Perreira explains the catch here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5R-HcyITE&sns=em

It doesn't explain it though. Why is he not down when his right elbow hits as a runner would be?

"Completing" the catch is different to a runner going down though, the process isn't complete until he goes to ground and has control of the ball, he didn't have control of the ball. It was the correct call but it's a rule, what constitutes a catch, they will surely look at in the off season.

The refs have been consistent with this call since the controversy after the Calvin Johnson catch against the Bears a few years ago, it's just this is the most high profile example of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 11, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 11, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 10:14:27 PM
Mike Perreira explains the catch here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5R-HcyITE&sns=em

It doesn't explain it though. Why is he not down when his right elbow hits as a runner would be?

"Completing" the catch is different to a runner going down though, the process isn't complete until he goes to ground and has control of the ball, he didn't have control of the ball. It was the correct call but it's a rule, what constitutes a catch, they will surely look at in the off season.

The refs have been consistent with this call since the controversy after the Calvin Johnson catch against the Bears a few years ago, it's just this is the most high profile example of it.

What point does a player go to ground though. If he's a runner he goes to ground when a knee or elbow hit. What point is it for a receiver?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on January 11, 2015, 11:40:32 PM
Could be a rout here. Passing of the torch?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 11:41:31 PM
Not just me confused

Odell Beckham Jr, not noted for his love of Dallas:

https://twitter.com/OBJ_3/status/554382008449646592

Jerry Rice

https://twitter.com/JerryRice/status/554384177723109376

Mark Cuban

https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/554382128830750721
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
And another call wrong, a fumble was just recovered by Denver.
Officials making the headlines, not what the NFL are looking for, and certainly not the fans
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 12, 2015, 01:06:05 AM
Heres the referee's explanation.

I still have no idea when the process of the catch completes or when a receiver actually goes to ground but at least I understand the ruling a little better?

"Although the receiver is possessing the football, he must maintain possession of that football throughout the entire process of the catch. In our judgment, he maintained possession but continued to fall and never had another act common to the game. We deemed that by our judgment to be the full process of the catch, and at the time he lands and the ball hits the ground, it comes loose as it hits the ground, which would make that incomplete; although he re-possesses it, it does contact the ground when he reaches so the repossession is irrelevant because it was ruled an incomplete pass when we had the ball hit the ground."

On if Bryant's elbow hit the ground before the ball did:

"When you're still going through the process of the catch, elbows or knees are irrelevant, he must complete that entire process with the football, maintain possession throughout."

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
Sure felt like the end for Manning at Mile High last night. Maybe he has one year left in him to try to prove doubters wrong but he certainly wasn't effusive in wanting come back after the game.

So it won't be Manning v. Brady, but it will still be Indy v. Patriots. Luck is every bit as good as his hype entering the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2015, 10:44:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 12, 2015, 10:24:25 AM
Sure felt like the end for Manning at Mile High last night. Maybe he has one year left in him to try to prove doubters wrong but he certainly wasn't effusive in wanting come back after the game.

So it won't be Manning v. Brady, but it will still be Indy v. Patriots. Luck is every bit as good as his hype entering the league.

Can't see the Broncos paying him $15m next year, he just doesent have the arm strength for it anymore
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
Peyton is still a good NFL QB, but he's been underwhelming in the playoffs nearly his whole career. When they got him out of the dome, the likes of New England, Baltimore and Pittsburgh ate him alive because he never had the rocket arm, and the elements combined with playoff defenses were too much for him. That's why I think Brady is a fair bit ahead of Manning as a QB, certainly in the big games.

Andrew Luck is going to be a great one as well, he has the arm. Did you see how fast that ball travelled to the TE for the second colts TD? Holy Jaysus. If he didn't catch it it would have bored a hole in him. Luck's decision making is improving too.

Manning could still do a job in Arizona, Florida, San Diego or somewhere like that, but it would only be up to the point of the playoffs, unless you got homefield. Great, very smart, QB, but in my opinion not as good, even at his peak, as Brady.

I still think Montana is the best QB ever, so smart, so poised and so cool, but Brady is definitely up there. If he wins another superbowl it would be very easy to say Brady is the best ever, but I just have to stick with Joe. Or maybe Ryan Lindley.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
And another call wrong, a fumble was just recovered by Denver.
Officials making the headlines, not what the NFL are looking for, and certainly not the fans

Steroids Mathews and another Packer hit Romo low and late and no penalty flags were thrown. When it happened in the Indy/Denver game the flags came out immediately.

Romo was more banged up than Rodgers and got on with it without the histrionics and played well throughout. Desperately unlucky last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2015, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
And another call wrong, a fumble was just recovered by Denver.
Officials making the headlines, not what the NFL are looking for, and certainly not the fans

Steroids Mathews and another Packer hit Romo low and late and no penalty flags were thrown. When it happened in the Indy/Denver game the flags came out immediately.

Romo was more banged up than Rodgers and got on with it without the histrionics and played well throughout. Desperately unlucky last night.

You really hate the Pack :) I hate the Cowboys, so I won't cry for Jerry and his lads. Although I do like Romo in fairness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 12:06:02 PM
I really can't stand the Packers and particularly Rodgers. I look forward to next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2015, 12:08:17 PM
Yeah, this may be a trip too far for them. I'm still a bit skeptical about the Seahawks, and Wilson if he's under pressure and you 'contain' him in the pocket. Easier said than done though, and the noise up there will put serious pressure on the Packers offense. Looking like the Seahawks v New England in Arizona to me. I would love it to be the Colts v Packers though :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
Maybe these will help seanie

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-uZYUzekL._SY300_.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 04:22:03 PM
I see Peyton Manning played last night with a torn quad. How come he wasn't limping about (when he remembered to) or "worrying about the level he can play to" in the media.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on January 12, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

So he's faking it in your opinion? Do NFL players actually do this and what's the logic behind it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 12, 2015, 04:51:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
Peyton is still a good NFL QB, but he's been underwhelming in the playoffs nearly his whole career. When they got him out of the dome, the likes of New England, Baltimore and Pittsburgh ate him alive because he never had the rocket arm, and the elements combined with playoff defenses were too much for him. That's why I think Brady is a fair bit ahead of Manning as a QB, certainly in the big games.

Peyton Manning, football's Mr October (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/meet-mr-october-peyton-manning/4517/).

(Written before he won a ring, in fairness, but either way it's some insult.)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

You seriously think he wasn't injured & a calf tear was invented two weeks ago ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 12, 2015, 09:53:35 PM
All eyes set on the National Championship game tonight. I'm going to go for the Ducks as they are the most experienced and the fast temp will wear down Ohio. Ohio have done very well getting here but a lot will depend on how their 3rd string QB reacts to the occasion tonight. Oregon have been knocking on the door the last few years and tonight looks to be there night, going to go for 44-31 to the Ducks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 12, 2015, 09:54:06 PM
O-H   I-O.   Team Ohio vs. Team Nike.  Go BUCKS!

Muck takes the Duck over the Buck.  Good analysis, IMO. If the offensive line does not protect Jones, then it could be a fast night.  Still afraid that in his 3rd start Cardale could be susceptible to picks.  Need to get the running game going to keep the defense off the field.

But . .  . . I had them as underdogs to Michigan State, Wisconsin and Alabama, so you never know.

38-35 Buckeyes, I hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2015, 10:19:16 PM
John Fox out in Denver
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 12, 2015, 10:36:14 PM
Don't know what goes wrong in Denver, got all the personnel and QB, lack of a hard running game to split the field open more is a obviously problem. Manning has been poor down the back straight this year and maybe his neck injury and age is beginning to tell on him, I notice Tom Brady who hasn't been injured as bad is struggling to hit the long one these days too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:54:57 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 11, 2015, 11:53:54 PM
And another call wrong, a fumble was just recovered by Denver.
Officials making the headlines, not what the NFL are looking for, and certainly not the fans

Steroids Mathews and another Packer hit Romo low and late and no penalty flags were thrown. When it happened in the Indy/Denver game the flags came out immediately.

Romo was more banged up than Rodgers and got on with it without the histrionics and played well throughout. Desperately unlucky last night.

Romo had a great season but still takes too many needless sacks, as he did yesterday on two occasions, arguably three.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ballela-angel on January 12, 2015, 11:37:31 PM
"I still think Montana is the best QB ever, so smart, so poised and so cool, but Brady is definitely up there. If he wins another superbowl it would be very easy to say Brady is the best ever, but I just have to stick with Joe"  - I agree with both points, Joe is the best - Brady could be - In my opinion Peyton Manning is a good QB, but not a great one - If he hadn't been playing in a dome stadium for so long, he would not be as elevated in the ratings (or stats) as he is - As a Pat's fan I loved the Brady-to-Edelman-magnificent pass from a college QB-touchdown - Then a spectator in the end-zone with a Vermont license plate reading "PATSWIN"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2015, 01:05:50 AM
Auburn may not be there but the national title game really has me excited. I enjoy this one more than the Superbowl. So much more passion in college ball, the colour, in the whole journey to tonight. Hopefully it lives up the hype.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 01:30:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 12:06:02 PM
I really can't stand the Packers and particularly Rodgers. I look forward to next week.
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 06, 2015, 04:25:38 AM
No outstanding offensive candidate? 38 TDs, 7 ints, 2 rushing TDs , nearly 4400 pass yards and over 200 rushing yards isn't enough for you? Total rating of over 114. Guys, if Rodgers continues for say another 5 or 6 years at his current rate, he'll own nearly every record in the history of QBs. He has been lights out all year, Seanie , you are a Bears fan. That is why you don't like him. Don't be spouting any other dung about this and that, the fact is you simply don't like cos he's a packer. That's fair enough.


Two QB's threw more TD's.

The INT's stat is impressive (actually only 5), though Nick Foles had a season with a similar INT rate as I pointed out earlier on his thread.

Six QB's threw for more yards (including Matt Ryan and Eli Manning).

Tony Romo had a better QBR (Rodgers was 112.2 according to NFL.com, Romo 113.2).

Six QB's rushed for more yards including Andrew Luck who also had one more rushing TD.

Rodgers had a very good season but I would argue that Luck for example, was a far more valuable player. His stats are better in all categories except INT's and QBR and his team had no running game to speak of. At the very least it's a close call.

As for this rant:

Quote
Seanie , you are a Bears fan. That is why you don't like him. Don't be spouting any other dung about this and that, the fact is you simply don't like cos he's a packer. That's fair enough


Grow up!
Alright then so ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 01:34:05 AM
About to kick off ! I think QB experience will be the difference. Oregon 45- 24
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 01:38:02 AM
I think Denver needed to get rid of Fox ASAP . Manning was clearly injured over the last 6 weeks or so, obvious. They will want Adam Gase as head coach, Manning has a great relationship with him by all accounts, but the niners have serious interest. If they can keep Gase as a head coach, Manning will be back. If not, I think he'll retire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 02:08:08 AM
Tough sledding for the Bucks so far--Cardale's inexperience showing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 13, 2015, 02:11:25 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 01:38:02 AM
I think Denver needed to get rid of Fox ASAP . Manning was clearly injured over the last 6 weeks or so, obvious. They will want Adam Gase as head coach, Manning has a great relationship with him by all accounts, but the niners have serious interest. If they can keep Gase as a head coach, Manning will be back. If not, I think he'll retire.

Looks like they already fired Fox 49ers all over Gase though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 02:23:01 AM
A few Ohioans on Oregon team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 13, 2015, 02:44:47 AM
Buckeyes with second turnover after what looked like another scoring drive.  Enjoying this so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 13, 2015, 02:58:08 AM
There will be some competition for the starting QB spot at Ohio next year if this guy is the 3 string QB! Impressive first 3 starts so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 13, 2015, 03:25:56 AM
Oregon spread 7.5. Man this is getting interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 13, 2015, 03:39:27 AM
Ohio get the ball start of 2nd half. The ducks need a stop or they will be getting close to disappearing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 03:48:34 AM
Turnovers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 13, 2015, 03:56:04 AM
1/3 to count. All turnovers have been in the Ducks half which means a long distance to score.
Game on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2015, 04:13:17 AM
What was Jones even does there. It almost looked like he was trying to switch hands with the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 04:26:24 AM
Crucial drive for the Bucks with 14 mins left in 4th.  C'mon, Zeke!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 04:39:26 AM
Not over yet, but tbh, Ohio State are just better. Completely dominating in the trenches...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 04:48:08 AM
C'mon, Ohio!  Grind it out.  Make Woody proud.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2015, 04:48:47 AM
Looks like three titles in three career starts for Cardale Jones.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 05:08:04 AM
CHAMPIONS! Led by the back-up to the back-up. And with four turnovers. Brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 05:12:34 AM
Where does Braxton Miller go from here? Surely he won't be back for his final year. Bizarre to think about it, but how would he come back in and start now? I don't ever remember a college football team having such a nice dilemma ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2015, 05:15:48 AM
Depends on his health, I suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 05:46:42 AM
Even if he came back 100% healthy! One into three doesn't go....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2015, 08:23:56 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 05:12:34 AM
Where does Braxton Miller go from here? Surely he won't be back for his final year. Bizarre to think about it, but how would he come back in and start now? I don't ever remember a college football team having such a nice dilemma ...

Florida State. He's the only one that can transfer because he's a post grad. Transfer and play I mean. Well done Buckeyes. Delighted for them, and for the committee in fairness. Sickened for Oregon and the pac-12 but the harsh reality is Oregon have slipped up every year and that's just not going to get it done. They are in real danger of being passed out by the SoCal teams next year, and maybe even the Arizona schools and Stanford as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2015, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2015, 08:23:56 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2015, 05:12:34 AM
Where does Braxton Miller go from here? Surely he won't be back for his final year. Bizarre to think about it, but how would he come back in and start now? I don't ever remember a college football team having such a nice dilemma ...

Florida State. He's the only one that can transfer because he's a post grad. Transfer and play I mean. Well done Buckeyes. Delighted for them, and for the committee in fairness. Sickened for Oregon and the pac-12 but the harsh reality is Oregon have slipped up every year and that's just not going to get it done. They are in real danger of being passed out by the SoCal teams next year, and maybe even the Arizona schools and Stanford as well.

Miller is a Buckeye lifer though, he has a fecking OSU tattoo for christsakes. There's talk about him maybe switching to receiver. Certainly no sure thing that he'll transfer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2015, 10:58:40 AM
True. I've heard talk he may switch to the old H back role, like Devin Hestor, and try and make an NFL Career for himself that way. If he switches to another college program to play QB, he's really making a run at the Heisman, and probably not going to be a big hit in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 12, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

So he's faking it in your opinion? Do NFL players actually do this and what's the logic behind it?

All I'll say is it's very rare to see an injury improve as a game goes on. Looking at Rodgers it appeared he could barely walk off the field at half time. Never limped at all after that from what I saw. I have my opinion as to why he did this. I'm sure the officials would have handled low, late hits to Rodgers (like the two Romo received) differently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2015, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 12, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

So he's faking it in your opinion? Do NFL players actually do this and what's the logic behind it?

All I'll say is it's very rare to see an injury improve as a game goes on. Looking at Rodgers it appeared he could barely walk off the field at half time. Never limped at all after that from what I saw. I have my opinion as to why he did this. I'm sure the officials would have handled low, late hits to Rodgers (like the two Romo received) differently.

I assume he got shot up with a massive dose of painkillers at HT. Rodgers is clearly seriously injured. When you see what a quad injury made Manning into (near useless) Rodgers winning a playoff game is very impressive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on January 13, 2015, 05:05:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 12, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

So he's faking it in your opinion? Do NFL players actually do this and what's the logic behind it?

All I'll say is it's very rare to see an injury improve as a game goes on. Looking at Rodgers it appeared he could barely walk off the field at half time. Never limped at all after that from what I saw. I have my opinion as to why he did this. I'm sure the officials would have handled low, late hits to Rodgers (like the two Romo received) differently.

I can't buy that at all to be honest.
So in your opinion he faked it to get more protection from the refs, to hypothetically get penalty yards on low, late hits (of which there happened to be none on Rodgers during the game) while simultaneously taking away large parts of their offensive playbook (not one snap taken from under centre until the kneel down so no possibility of play action, no designed rollouts at all which take away the biggest advantage that Rodgers has over other QB's in his ability to throw as accurate on the run as in the pocket) in a one-and-done game against a Cowboys team that was 8-0 on the road?

Given that any votes for personal awards such as the MVP are taken before the wildcard weekend what is Rodgers gaining by faking/exaggerating an injury at this point?

Seattle will more than likely eat GB alive at the weekend, and they probably would even if Rodgers was 100% but again, in a win or go home game against the champs I can't see the logic in Rodgers faking an injury, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 13, 2015, 07:36:06 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PMAll I'll say is it's very rare to see an injury improve as a game goes on. Looking at Rodgers it appeared he could barely walk off the field at half time. Never limped at all after that from what I saw. I have my opinion as to why he did this. I'm sure the officials would have handled low, late hits to Rodgers (like the two Romo received) differently.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
I didn't say he was faking the injury - clearly there is something wrong - but he is definitely not as bad as he was letting on. I prefer a guy like Peyton Manning who goes to great lengths to try to keep his injury secret and doesn't offer it as an excuse, before or after the event.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kidder81 on January 13, 2015, 10:36:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
I didn't say he was faking the injury - clearly there is something wrong - but he is definitely not as bad as he was letting on. I prefer a guy like Peyton Manning who goes to great lengths to try to keep his injury secret and doesn't offer it as an excuse, before or after the event.

I would say he kept it to himself so as not to become a target for the opposing D. Not sure how Rodgers could keep it quiet when he had to leave the game against Detroit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:41:34 PM
Not talking about it to the media or at least playing it down would have been a start.

There's no doubt he limped in the first half and didn't in the second. If, as suggested, he got a big blast of painkillers at half time I'd ask - why did he not get it before the game started?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 14, 2015, 07:20:29 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 10:41:34 PM
Not talking about it to the media or at least playing it down would have been a start.

There's no doubt he limped in the first half and didn't in the second. If, as suggested, he got a big blast of painkillers at half time I'd ask - why did he not get it before the game started?

Maybe he didn't realise it was as bad as it was until the game. I know I have trained on injuries and thought I was fine for matches. When the game starts its a different intensity,  no matter how good your training is.

They obviously wouldn't have wanted to give an injection if avoidable as it increases the risk of aggravating the injury
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 14, 2015, 10:01:20 AM
I would say Seattle is the last place an injured QB would want to go to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
Looks like Cardale Jones is heading to the NFL draft. Very interesting decision, and would be a serious gamble for anyone to take given the body of work that exists. Could be anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 09:18:43 PM
Curveball . Heading back to school!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
Matt Cassell has made himself a fair bit of money having never started in college.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 09:18:43 PM
Curveball . Heading back to school!

I was thinking that would be nuts alright. If he came out, he'd be a 3rd or 4th rounder at most.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
He was drafted in the 7th round, somehow I don't think Jones would have been a 7th rounder, possibly a first rounder , more than likely would have gone in the second. Irrelevant now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 10:21:23 PM
On 3 games? No way first or even second round in my opinion. Way too big of a risk. He'd be a project.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2015, 10:26:42 PM
I just check to see what the NFL draft guys were saying. This is from McShay.

Heading into Monday night's title game, I would have said that Jones was somewhere in the seventh-round or undrafted free-agent range, but after seeing the way he performed in the championship game win, including the fact he was able to go through his progressions and display outstanding poise, I think he's more in the fourth- or fifth-round range. I texted three NFL scouts Tuesday morning, and all three pegged Jones as a Day 3 prospect. However, they admitted they would have much more work to do studying him if he declares.

Any NFL team that drafted him would be gambling on his raw tools, and they would need to have a quarterback coach on staff who is: A) willing to invest the necessary time to develop him; and B) capable of translating Jones' physical abilities to the NFL level.

Bottom line: This is a highly unusual situation. It'd be extremely rare for a quarterback to be drafted after just three games, even one with Jones' raw abilities. But rarely, if ever, do we see a QB have a three-game debut like the one Jones just put together.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 11:02:26 PM
He was asked in his interview about the possibility of missing out on being a first round pick. Mel Kiper said the second round.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
He was drafted in the 7th round, somehow I don't think Jones would have been a 7th rounder, possibly a first rounder , more than likely would have gone in the second. Irrelevant now.

No franchise with sense would spend a second-rounder on a lad with three starts to his name and third on a college team's depth chart. When everything was even both Miller and Barrett were seen as better QBs than Jones in the eyes of one of the best college coaches of the modern era.

Jones showed well; if he can hold the starting job next season or take it the year after (he's a redshirt Sophomore) he'll be properly draftable. A few years ago the last Duck to get Oregon to the title game, Darron Thomas, made the mental decision to declare after his junior season. Everyone thought it was madness and he wasn't drafted and he disappeared off the face of the Earth, never even making an NFL practice squad. And he started for two full seasons and half of another. It should be a lesson for anyone in Jones' position.

And Mel Kiper is more hair than sense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 16, 2015, 06:40:54 AM
It helps a lot when you have a strong running game. Everyone spends time trying to stop the Arab and it opens up big holes up field to throw to.
He has a big Arm and I think if he puts up a solid year next year (if 1st choice) then he would be a round 1-2 pick. Right now he'd be a 7th round gamble that someone like the Raiders would go for, remember JaMarcus Russel!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 16, 2015, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 12, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

So he's faking it in your opinion? Do NFL players actually do this and what's the logic behind it?

All I'll say is it's very rare to see an injury improve as a game goes on. Looking at Rodgers it appeared he could barely walk off the field at half time. Never limped at all after that from what I saw. I have my opinion as to why he did this. I'm sure the officials would have handled low, late hits to Rodgers (like the two Romo received) differently.

What a load of bollocks, think on this! Rodgers get stomped by Suh, a three hundy pounder deliberately, that is going to smart a wee bit, he was clearly not himself in this game but is among the greatest ever and got the job done!

The man is simply miraculous and the reason the Pack are in the NFC Championship game, rule the Packers out at your peril!


By the way, Go Pats go!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 11:02:26 PM
He was asked in his interview about the possibility of missing out on being a first round pick. Mel Kiper said the second round.

I saw Kiper's interview alright. I think he rated him as a 3rd or 4th rounder, but said some team might take a gamble in the second round. I suppose they might have, but I just can't see it. Draft picks are golddust in a salary capped NFL, so to risk a second round on someone like that would have been madness. Having said that, the Raiders and Bengals have done some crazy stuff in their time, but I can't see it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 16, 2015, 09:56:16 AM
Quote from: stew on January 16, 2015, 08:22:41 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 13, 2015, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on January 12, 2015, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2015, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 11, 2015, 08:09:11 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on January 11, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel on January 11, 2015, 01:23:01 AM
Come crunch time Brady again comes up trumps, Strange they didn't waste time with 2 runs on the last set of plays. still think Manning better than him, well Seattle a team i love to hate up next, don't think they have much trouble the nit though, i leave that to green bay cream them
Brady is a crunch time pressure player!!
Running game or lack of will stop their chances IMO

Rodgers needs to up his game in second half v Dallas !

Injury clearly hindering him

Made a miraculous recovery in the second half, even forgot to limp.

So he's faking it in your opinion? Do NFL players actually do this and what's the logic behind it?

All I'll say is it's very rare to see an injury improve as a game goes on. Looking at Rodgers it appeared he could barely walk off the field at half time. Never limped at all after that from what I saw. I have my opinion as to why he did this. I'm sure the officials would have handled low, late hits to Rodgers (like the two Romo received) differently.

What a load of bollocks, think on this! Rodgers get stomped by Suh, a three hundy pounder deliberately, that is going to smart a wee bit, he was clearly not himself in this game but is among the greatest ever and got the job done!

The man is simply miraculous and the reason the Pack are in the NFC Championship game, rule the Packers out at your peril!


By the way, Go Pats go!!!!

If that's all that's wrong with him he's an even bigger pussy than I had him down for.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:00:21 AM
I wasn't the stamp that has injured him. Apparently it's a calf pull/strain. That can be tough to work with. He pulled up in one game I saw, and it looked genuine. But who knows? Maybe he is actually one of these lads who loves being told how brave he is to play through pain, so he exaggerates the pain but is never seriously hindered. We'll see.

I know Earl Thomas agrees with you Seanie :)

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159036/earl-thomas-not-buying-aaron-rodgers-leg-injury (http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/159036/earl-thomas-not-buying-aaron-rodgers-leg-injury)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 16, 2015, 10:08:13 AM
They're right, there's fcuk all wrong with him. That incident that Earl Thomas refers to was just before the first TD pass. He moved really quick, looked like he was about the take off and run it in but spotted the guy at the back of the endzone and flipped it to him. He then remembered to start limping again.

He did pull up against the Lions but played on (Suh stood on him after that).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
If he was a GAA lad we'd say it is 'all in his head'. :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 16, 2015, 10:13:11 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
If he was a GAA lad we'd say it is 'all in his head'. :D

"Headstrings"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2015, 10:17:54 AM
When did an accidental step become a "stamp"? Suh is filthy but if that hadn't been Rodgers or another high profile QB underneath, little would have been made of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2015, 10:17:54 AM
When did an accidental step become a "stamp"? Suh is filthy but if that hadn't been Rodgers or another high profile QB underneath, little would have been made of it.

Ah I don't know gallsman. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...... To say Suh has form here would be an understatement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:22:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 16, 2015, 10:13:11 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
If he was a GAA lad we'd say it is 'all in his head'. :D

"Headstrings"

Brainstrain.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaf93 on January 16, 2015, 10:24:38 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 16, 2015, 10:08:13 AM
They're right, there's fcuk all wrong with him. That incident that Earl Thomas refers to was just before the first TD pass. He moved really quick, looked like he was about the take off and run it in but spotted the guy at the back of the endzone and flipped it to him. He then remembered to start limping again.

He did pull up against the Lions but played on (Suh stood on him after that).

He went off injured v the Lions after pulling up. The Packers were 14-0 up. By the time he came back the game was tied at 14-14.

As stated before the implications of both games (Lions & Cowboys) were too great to exaggerate an injury and limit your movement just for the sake of it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2015, 10:17:54 AM
When did an accidental step become a "stamp"? Suh is filthy but if that hadn't been Rodgers or another high profile QB underneath, little would have been made of it.

Ah I don't know gallsman. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...... To say Suh has form here would be an understatement.

Even if intentional, it still wasn't a stamp ffs. Obviously going to be briefly sore as Suh is three "hundy" odd pounds but no lasting damage. Mountain out of a molehill.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 16, 2015, 10:36:58 AM
Apologies if this has already been posted guys.

Great interview on Second Captains with Fergus Connolly (Monaghan) who is in charge of elite performance with the 49ers. Think its about 40 mins into the podcast.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:39:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2015, 10:17:54 AM
When did an accidental step become a "stamp"? Suh is filthy but if that hadn't been Rodgers or another high profile QB underneath, little would have been made of it.

Ah I don't know gallsman. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...... To say Suh has form here would be an understatement.

Even if intentional, it still wasn't a stamp ffs. Obviously going to be briefly sore as Suh is three "hundy" odd pounds but no lasting damage. Mountain out of a molehill.

OK, it wasn't a stamp in the rugby sense of it. But it is a big hoor standing on your lower leg. It has to hurt. But no matter what you call it, I'd be seriously skeptical that it was accidental :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 16, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
He was drafted in the 7th round, somehow I don't think Jones would have been a 7th rounder, possibly a first rounder , more than likely would have gone in the second. Irrelevant now.

No franchise with sense would spend a second-rounder on a lad with three starts to his name and third on a college team's depth chart. When everything was even both Miller and Barrett were seen as better QBs than Jones in the eyes of one of the best college coaches of the modern era.

Jones showed well; if he can hold the starting job next season or take it the year after (he's a redshirt Sophomore) he'll be properly draftable. A few years ago the last Duck to get Oregon to the title game, Darron Thomas, made the mental decision to declare after his junior season. Everyone thought it was madness and he wasn't drafted and he disappeared off the face of the Earth, never even making an NFL practice squad. And he started for two full seasons and half of another. It should be a lesson for anyone in Jones' position.

And Mel Kiper is more hair than sense.
when everything was even, Drew Henson was seen as a better QB than a certain Thomas Brady. How'd that turn out ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2015, 11:27:35 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 16, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 16, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 15, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
He was drafted in the 7th round, somehow I don't think Jones would have been a 7th rounder, possibly a first rounder , more than likely would have gone in the second. Irrelevant now.

No franchise with sense would spend a second-rounder on a lad with three starts to his name and third on a college team's depth chart. When everything was even both Miller and Barrett were seen as better QBs than Jones in the eyes of one of the best college coaches of the modern era.

Jones showed well; if he can hold the starting job next season or take it the year after (he's a redshirt Sophomore) he'll be properly draftable. A few years ago the last Duck to get Oregon to the title game, Darron Thomas, made the mental decision to declare after his junior season. Everyone thought it was madness and he wasn't drafted and he disappeared off the face of the Earth, never even making an NFL practice squad. And he started for two full seasons and half of another. It should be a lesson for anyone in Jones' position.

And Mel Kiper is more hair than sense.
when everything was even, Drew Henson was seen as a better QB than a certain Thomas Brady. How'd that turn out ?

Well, Brady was drafted in a different draft so it's not really fair to say Henson was seen as a better QB, but that's sort of the point in a roundabout way. Nothing in the draft is guaranteed, especially at QB, so teams are loathe to waste picks, especially high picks unless they think they are onto a great bet. I can't see anyone thinking that about Jones, but as I said, who really knows. If I was a GM, I wouldn't spend any more than a 4th round pick on him, and even that if I was already fairly well set at other positions.

I'd suggest someone had a work in Jones' ear and said something similar to him, and that's why he stayed. Having said that, and to support your point a bit cadhlancian, it really is a very poor QB draft this year, on the face of it. Even Mariota is coming out early, as is Winston. For pure seniors it's quite bad.

Most boards have the two lads going in the first round, and the next QB not appearing until the 3rd or 4th round. Maybe Brett Hundley, Bryce Petty or Grayson from Colorado state.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 01:23:57 PM
Hard to see past Seattle v NE Super Bowl, I think I would want them both to lose in that game. Colts probably have a better chance of the upset.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 18, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
I give the Colts a great chance. As a whole I would have the Denver receiving corp as better than the Pats but the speed and tackling of the colts defence kept them under wraps. They were excellent.
I can't see the pats doing what they done last week and winning without a run game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2015, 02:26:18 PM
Colts and Seahawks for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 07:59:25 PM
For GB to win need to score a lot early and quiet the crowd, otherwise can't see them get over Seattle. Also need to have Rodgers all game.
In th other game would love to see Luck into a Super Bowl but think NE have a better chance to beat Seattle in the Super bowl and ultimately it about not letting Seattle win.
Going with Green Bay vs. New England in the Super Bowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 08:13:45 PM
Remember that Matt Flynn spent a year practicing against that defence. I could see him performing better than expected if Rodgers gets crocked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
You need TDs there. Rodgers missed badly to Nelson there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
You need TDs there. Rodgers missed badly to Nelson there.

I actually thought Nelson was a fraction of a second late locating the ball there

But yeah you need TDs when that close
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 08:48:44 PM
Dominant start from Packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Big hit from Matthews there on Wilson during that interception
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 09:13:07 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Big hit from Matthews there on Wilson during that interception

I thought that was a cheap shot. Mix up there for the Pack to turn it over. They have them rattled, kill them, don't give them a way back in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
Has Wilson got the mortgage on the Packers? He's throwing some muck out there!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 09:38:47 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
Has Wilson got the mortgage on the Packers? He's throwing some muck out there!!

Packers should be out of sight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 09:44:10 PM
Didn't expect a Seattle meltdown. Hopefully they get a TD to start off the third to make this one interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 09:13:07 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Big hit from Matthews there on Wilson during that interception

I thought that was a cheap shot. Mix up there for the Pack to turn it over. They have them rattled, kill them, don't give them a way back in.

In interception return like that the QB is the main target for all these guys to hit. This one was illegal but didn't think it was cheap.
Packers should be out of sight however 16-0 on the road vs. Seattle is big as it will take the crowd out of the game. 1st drive of 2nd half they need to stop Seattle then the crowd will be quiet, if they are let back into this they will hear loud!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
Cracking play. Ballsy drive from Seattle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
Cracking play. Ballsy drive from Seattle.

Terrible call to only rush 3 on 3rd & 20
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 10:10:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 18, 2015, 10:08:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:08:05 PM
Cracking play. Ballsy drive from Seattle.

Terrible call to only rush 3 on 3rd & 20

Absolutely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
Jeff Reinbold is a beasht of a pundit. Probably better than most of the lads on American TV, nevermind on European TV. Just solid analysis and demos every time. Always the highlight of Sky's coverage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
Jeff Reinbold is a beasht of a pundit. Probably better than most of the lads on American TV, nevermind on European TV. Just solid analysis and demos every time. Always the highlight of Sky's coverage.

He is made for the video board. Good at x and o. I don't like him at the desk.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:29:08 PM
Looks like Sherman's arm could be broken? Fairly sure mine would snap if Kam Chancellor smashed into it when it was locked out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
Jeff Reinbold is a beasht of a pundit. Probably better than most of the lads on American TV, nevermind on European TV. Just solid analysis and demos every time. Always the highlight of Sky's coverage.

He is made for the video board. Good at x and o. I don't like him at the desk.

As long as coach Cadle isn't talking its grand
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 18, 2015, 10:32:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 10:13:32 PM
Jeff Reinbold is a beasht of a pundit. Probably better than most of the lads on American TV, nevermind on European TV. Just solid analysis and demos every time. Always the highlight of Sky's coverage.

He is made for the video board. Good at x and o. I don't like him at the desk.

As long as coach Cadle isn't talking its grand

Ball.............Game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:49:17 PM
The ex-tight end they had on last week, Evan Moore, was excellent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:52:22 PM
Wilson hasn't been great today but he hasn't got much help from his receivers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 10:53:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 10:52:22 PM
Wilson hasn't been great today but he hasn't got much help from his receivers.

Was just gonna post that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 18, 2015, 11:03:14 PM
Think the hit early has effected him.  Never seen him as poor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Well now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Well now.

They made some f**k up of the onside
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 18, 2015, 11:07:58 PM
Just got interesting. ... If green bay manage to screw this up they deserve it. Talk about being scared to lose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:08:11 PM
McCarthy has went way too conservative and look like losing now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
Unreal last few mins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2015, 11:09:17 PM
Crazy... Great viewing though!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:09:32 PM
Scored too soon ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:09:32 PM
Scored too soon ?

Potentially. 5 seconds could have been burned. Defenders heads were hung.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:13:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:12:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:09:32 PM
Scored too soon ?

Potentially. 5 seconds could have been burned. Defenders heads were hung.

Total implosion by GB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 11:13:50 PM
very poor from Green Bay, should have this game in the Bag, Seattle look very poor, the tight end missing the onside kick was chronic
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 11:14:41 PM
Fûck me that's some comeback.

Why are Seattle set to get ride of Lynch?! Team and scans love him and my God if he isn't money on the ground. Why gives a shite about him getting in scrapes with the NFL over media commitments, it certainly hasn't effected the team or their performances. They need to think twice about letting a player of that importance walk.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 11:15:54 PM
Rodgers cant even run here, Settle CB playing with 1 arm,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2015, 11:14:41 PM
Fûck me that's some comeback.

Why are Seattle set to get ride of Lynch?! Team and scans love him and my God if he isn't money on the ground. Why gives a shite about him getting in scrapes with the NFL over media commitments, it certainly hasn't effected the team or their performances. They need to think twice about letting a player of that importance walk.

Read an article on Grantland a few months back I'll try to find tomorrow. Basically about the limited value of veteran RBs in free agency and production post 28/29 simply not being worth the money required. And someone like Lynch deserves every cent he gets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Ah feck, had the Packers and the Pats backed for the Superbowl.

Fairplay to the Seahawks for not running out of motivation or out of ideas. Turned it round by taking it off Wilsons shoulders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:19:58 PM
How big was the terrible effort at defending the 2pt conversion now ?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 11:15:54 PM
Rodgers cant even run here, Settle CB playing with 1 arm,

GB either don't know about it (although I have no idea how ad it's so gimpy) or have decided it's still not worth risking Sherman.

Aikman is bang on about Clinton-Dix. After a career day, he had a bad drop for the hat trick of picks that would have ended it and then inexplicably didn't contest the 2-point conversion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:23:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:19:58 PM
How big was the terrible effort at defending the 2pt conversion now ?

At same time, they do have whatever momentum is in this. They should be beat but they marched up field pretty damn quickly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 11:31:00 PM
Unreal some c**k up by Green Bay in this one!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 11:31:00 PM
Unreal some c**k up by Green Bay in this one!!

Too scared to win it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: andoireabu on January 18, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
Tell me this. Why is it golden goal in overtime? Seattle win the toss and because they score green bay dont get a chance even though there is 12 mins left! Shite way to end a game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:34:54 PM
After the first three quarters he had, that is some seriously clutch play from Wilson. Balls of steel.

Quote from: andoireabu on January 18, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
Tell me this. Why is it golden goal in overtime? Seattle win the toss and because they score green bay dont get a chance even though there is 12 mins left! Shite way to end a game

It's controversial but better than the old rule where a field goal could win it. Don't agree with it myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 11:37:32 PM
Some finish. Fair play to Wilson at the end, but why the pack went away from their gameplan I don't know. Clay Mathews must have been injured?

As for OT, I think the college system is better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.

Lucky my arse. They're a team of champions who never give up and make their own luck. Play with busted arms, whatever. Overcome adversity. Throw 4 INT's and still keep fighting.

The supposed MVP tonight showed that he is great when everything is going his way but average in adversity. The f**king limp came back when the pressure was on.

Bottle can't be coached.

Delighted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2015, 11:40:33 PM
Total implosion by GB. As the lads on Sky have said the GB failure to see out a 3rd and 19 as well as the defense on the 2pt conversion and OT touchdown were criminal.

Wilson terrible also but God Lynch is some operator!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2015, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.

Lucky my arse. They're a team of champions who never give up and make their own luck. Play with busted arms, whatever. Overcome adversity. Throw 4 INT's and still keep fighting.

The supposed MVP tonight showed that he is great when everything is going his way but average in adversity. The f**king limp came back when the pressure was on.

Bottle can't be coached.

Delighted.

Harsh seanie. He marched them up the field for the tying field goal. Anyone else but one of the great ones would have capitulated after the Seahawks went ahead. I didn't think he was great though tonight. Very antsy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 18, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
Hate them Seattle bollixes along with Baltimore, Don't know how u blame Rodgers for that one Magpie, The tight end on the short kick off cost green Bay the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.

Lucky my arse. They're a team of champions who never give up and make their own luck. Play with busted arms, whatever. Overcome adversity. Throw 4 INT's and still keep fighting.

The supposed MVP tonight showed that he is great when everything is going his way but average in adversity. The f**king limp came back when the pressure was on.

Bottle can't be coached.

Delighted.

Ah come on you have been, and continue to talk bollocks about Rodgers injury, even with over whelming evidence to the contrary.

Are you seriously saying he put a limp on when he was running out of bounds on the game tieing drive, seriously ??

And it was the coach that lost his bottle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 18, 2015, 11:45:53 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.

Couldn't agree more. Cant see Indy beating them so Pats it is.

I just cannot stand that Pete Cnut, can't even call him Carroll as it's an Offaly name😪

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.

Lucky my arse. They're a team of champions who never give up and make their own luck. Play with busted arms, whatever. Overcome adversity. Throw 4 INT's and still keep fighting.

The supposed MVP tonight showed that he is great when everything is going his way but average in adversity. The f**king limp came back when the pressure was on.

Bottle can't be coached.

Delighted.

Are you seriously saying there was no luck involved? wing a 2 point conversion up and its caught, if not game over. Offensive pass interference on Baldwin in the build up to the TD, as obvious a foul as I have seen this season, same thing happened in Seattle last season for them to win. It was more of a case of Green Bay throwing it away than 'champions' or 'adversity'. In my opinion Wilson also relies on a lot of luck. Sherman's left arm seemed ok at the end when they scored or maybe it was just me. If they are indeed 'Champions' they are lucky ones at that. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:49:13 PM
McCarthy will get lucky that there are several other convenient (and thoroughly deserving ones in fairness too) scapegoats out there in Clinton-Dix, Bostick and Burnett.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 18, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Never bought the hype on Rodgers. Good qb but not great. Brady wouldn't have been stopped on the 1 yard line twice and ultimately that cost GB.

On Jeff Reinbold I think he's superb and a nice bloke too ( I followed him on Twitter during the week and he tweeted me to thank me then answered a load of football questions quickly thereafter), not fussed on Reynolds although much better than he used to be. Liked Nick Halling back in the day too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:51:41 PM
5 turnovers and still couldn't win. If QB takes the plaudits when they win then he gets it when they lose. He only got one TD and that's because two DB's ran into each other. He didn't get it done when it mattered. Blame special teams etc to deflect if you like but Rodgers couldn't get it in the endzone. A few nice picks too, stupid to throw at Sherman like that (second one was the receivers fault to be fair).

Hopefully Rodgers is fit for the Pro Bowl.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:54:38 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:48:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2015, 11:38:48 PM
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on January 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
Right Tom beat the Colts and then beat them cnuts Seattle in the SB. Lucky isn't the word for them cnuts.

Lucky my arse. They're a team of champions who never give up and make their own luck. Play with busted arms, whatever. Overcome adversity. Throw 4 INT's and still keep fighting.

The supposed MVP tonight showed that he is great when everything is going his way but average in adversity. The f**king limp came back when the pressure was on.

Bottle can't be coached.

Delighted.

Are you seriously saying there was no luck involved? wing a 2 point conversion up and its caught, if not game over. Offensive pass interference on Baldwin in the build up to the TD, as obvious a foul as I have seen this season, same thing happened in Seattle last season for them to win. It was more of a case of Green Bay throwing it away than 'champions' or 'adversity'. In my opinion Wilson also relies on a lot of luck. Sherman's left arm seemed ok at the end when they scored or maybe it was just me. If they are indeed 'Champions' they are lucky ones at that.

If you want to talk about dirty play why did you omit steroids and his attempt to concuss Wilson with a helmet to helmet hit on one of the Int returns? It failed and so did his team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 19, 2015, 12:10:08 AM
Credit has to go to Pete Carroll for the play calls late to get them a chance at the win.  Wilson can't take any credit after 4 interceptions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2015, 12:12:18 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 19, 2015, 12:10:08 AM
Credit has to go to Pete Carroll for the play calls late to get them a chance at the win.  Wilson can't take any credit after 4 interceptions.

Yes he can. He was hit with a bad cheap shot in first half, two of the INTs aren't on him and he was clutch as f**k on the final few drives.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 19, 2015, 12:15:42 AM
Only for Carroll play call on the fake FG he wouldn't have had a chance at being clutch. 2 mins from being a goat
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2015, 12:16:19 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on January 19, 2015, 12:10:08 AM
Credit has to go to Pete Carroll for the play calls late to get them a chance at the win.  Wilson can't take any credit after 4 interceptions.

Bevell I think was the man with the play calls. I'd give Wilson marks for not shrivelling up after a disastrous 4 picks (he wasn't helped on a few of them by his receivers though). He made some really good throws down the stretch. He didn't hide.

Lynch is incredible and one of my favourite players. His contract situation is a tough one. You simply can't give him a big contract at his age even with how good he has been. Someone will though, probably the Raiders or Buccs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 19, 2015, 12:17:18 AM
Bevell gets some too :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 19, 2015, 02:53:30 AM
That was disappointing after 1st game. As a 49ers fan im pulling for my fellow Division team ;) ;) ;) ::), sorry typo there no fu*king chance, lets go Pats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 19, 2015, 04:25:00 AM
Seanie, you told me 2 weeks ago to grow up for calling out you on hating the Packers and Rodgers. You are full of dung. You hate Rodgers and the packers. I said 2 weeks ago, that was fair enough. Some of the shite you are talking on here is embarrassing . RIGHT now, Aaron Rodgers is a first ballot Hall of Famer...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 19, 2015, 05:38:37 AM
Felt sorry for Andrew Luck and the Colts but they were never at the races. After about the 4th week in the season the press here were claiming the end to Bill and Tom, some coach, some QB. They make mediocre players look good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 19, 2015, 06:19:06 AM
Quote@bkravitz: Breaking: A league source tells me the NFL is investigating the possibility the Patriots deflated footballs Sunday night. More to come.

@bkravitz: I'm told at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it. Should hear more tomorrow on this subject.

@bkravitz: Told if a league investigation confirms deflated footballs it will result in lost draft picks. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 09:55:25 AM
I am not a fan of Belichick's demeanour, and some of the stunts he has overseen with the Pats, but you have to say he is the best coach ever, or at least is in the running.

He's coached the Pats since 2000. 15 years of tenure in the NFL is good going to start with.

3 Superbowls in 5 appearances, going for 4 in 6.

Developed Tom Brady

But out of all the plaudits and records, in this Salary Cap era, where your team has to be rebuilt every couple of years at least, his regular season record is phenomenal. He started 5-11 in 2000 and since then has gone 11-5, 9-7, 14-2, 14-2, 10-6, 12-4, 16-0, 11-5, 10-6, 14-2, 13-3, 12-4,12-4,12-4.

There've been some bad playoff losses along the way (Jets, Ravens spring to mind) but they just keep coming back. Hes lost receivers, linemen, tight ends, defensive linemen, safeties, linebackers, kickers, everything except Brady and he still keeps winning. I don't like him, but he is a brilliant, brilliant coach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 11:38:21 AM
By the way, has anyone watched Draft Day yet? It's a typical Costner movie. Actually quite a good premise, and I'd like to see a movie made which followed it from the draftee's perspective as well, all the way through the last college season etc.

The NFL are some marketing men though. They've turned a process similar to a schoolyard captain picking teams into a multi million dollar show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on January 19, 2015, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 11:38:21 AM
By the way, has anyone watched Draft Day yet? It's a typical Costner movie. Actually quite a good premise, and I'd like to see a movie made which followed it from the draftee's perspective as well, all the way through the last college season etc.

The NFL are some marketing men though. They've turned a process similar to a schoolyard captain picking teams into a multi million dollar show.

On that note, did you see the new Combine for veterans is coming in March? 100 guys who thought their chance had gone...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 11:51:43 AM
I did. Seems odd to me because the NFL scouting network is fairly exhaustive, and they'll have all sorts of film on you if you've been in the league. Then they scout Canadian football as well. Still it might give a couple of lads a back door in, but I suspect it might just be another 'event'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 19, 2015, 02:21:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 11:51:43 AM
I did. Seems odd to me because the NFL scouting network is fairly exhaustive, and they'll have all sorts of film on you if you've been in the league. Then they scout Canadian football as well. Still it might give a couple of lads a back door in, but I suspect it might just be another 'event'.

Aye, it'll be marketed as 'finding the next Tom Brady'!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 02:51:46 PM
In fairness Brady was drafted in the 6th round by the Patriots, and has been there ever since. Maybe more like 'Finding the Next Kurt Warner'. He was undrafted and ended up playing ARena League before he was brought into the league, and ended up winning a Superbowl with Saint Louis, getting to another with Arizona, and is currently in the Hall of Fame balloting. That's Rags to Riches stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 19, 2015, 03:12:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 02:51:46 PM
In fairness Brady was drafted in the 6th round by the Patriots, and has been there ever since. Maybe more like 'Finding the Next Kurt Warner'. He was undrafted and ended up playing ARena League before he was brought into the league, and ended up winning a Superbowl with Saint Louis, getting to another with Arizona, and is currently in the Hall of Fame balloting. That's Rags to Riches stuff.

Jeez, you're really hostile to the concept of 'artistic licence', aren't you? ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 03:14:15 PM
Give them artists an inch and they'll take a mile.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: andoireabu on January 19, 2015, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 18, 2015, 11:34:54 PM
After the first three quarters he had, that is some seriously clutch play from Wilson. Balls of steel.

Quote from: andoireabu on January 18, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
Tell me this. Why is it golden goal in overtime? Seattle win the toss and because they score green bay dont get a chance even though there is 12 mins left! Shite way to end a game

It's controversial but better than the old rule where a field goal could win it. Don't agree with it myself.

At the very least give green bay a drive to see if they can match what seattle did. Seems an unfair way to end it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 18, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Never bought the hype on Rodgers. Good qb but not great. Brady wouldn't have been stopped on the 1 yard line twice and ultimately that cost GB.

On Jeff Reinbold I think he's superb and a nice bloke too ( I followed him on Twitter during the week and he tweeted me to thank me then answered a load of football questions quickly thereafter), not fussed on Reynolds although much better than he used to be. Liked Nick Halling back in the day too.

Not sure you can call it hype David, by any definition of the word he has been great so far.

In 7 full seasons he has 226 TDs 57 INT,  QB rating of 106.

Super Bowl winner / Super Bowl MVP. League MVP (with another likely to follow in two weeks)

Before last night his playoff rating was over 100 and in the top 5 all time I believe.

If he didn't play another down he would still go in as a first ballot Hall Of Famer, in my opinion.

When he is finished I see him being viewed in top 5 all time great QBs.

As for Brady getting in from the 1yd line, McCarthy is calling the plays not Rodgers. If Belichick was coaching GB last night they would be preparing for a Super Bowl appearance.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 19, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 19, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 18, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Never bought the hype on Rodgers. Good qb but not great. Brady wouldn't have been stopped on the 1 yard line twice and ultimately that cost GB.

On Jeff Reinbold I think he's superb and a nice bloke too ( I followed him on Twitter during the week and he tweeted me to thank me then answered a load of football questions quickly thereafter), not fussed on Reynolds although much better than he used to be. Liked Nick Halling back in the day too.

Not sure you can call it hype David, by any definition of the word he has been great so far.

In 7 full seasons he has 226 TDs 57 INT,  QB rating of 106.

Super Bowl winner / Super Bowl MVP. League MVP (with another likely to follow in two weeks)

Before last night his playoff rating was over 100 and in the top 5 all time I believe.

If he didn't play another down he would still go in as a first ballot Hall Of Famer, in my opinion.

When he is finished I see him being viewed in top 5 all time great QBs.

As for Brady getting in from the 1yd line, McCarthy is calling the plays not Rodgers. If Belichick was coaching GB last night they would be preparing for a Super Bowl appearance.

In terms of stats and measurables Rodgers is an excellent QB but at the end of the day his job is as much to manage/win games as it is to run up stats I think had Brady been under centre he'd have found away to score regardless who was play calling. Also there's been a lot of talk recently that Rodgers has Carte Blanche as far as play calling goes on offensive in Green Bay. . No doubt Rodgers is a first round hall of famer but when it comes to who I would want under centre in a big game or big drive Id take Brady and a host of others in front of Rodgers any day. I don't buy the hype that Rodgers is the best of his generation. Don't get me wrong he's still very very good but he's not in that top echelon for me. I noticed last night he's only 28% on game winning drives in his career. Quite a bit lower than the other 3 QB's last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 19, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
A lot of discussion here today about the Patriots tampering with the balls. Not too shocking, if true,  given their history,  but what is shocking is that if they were to be found guilty,  the penalty would be draft picks, NOT forfeiture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
A lot of discussion here today about the Patriots tampering with the balls. Not too shocking, if true,  given their history,  but what is shocking is that if they were to be found guilty,  the penalty would be draft picks, NOT forfeiture.

The Belichick regime really is the most hateful in the NFL. This idea of 'The Patriot Way' that's rammed down fans' and players' throats with overbearing rules and self-promotion and yet they are the biggest and most agregious cheaters in the NFL. Class act they are not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: andoireabu on January 19, 2015, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
A lot of discussion here today about the Patriots tampering with the balls. Not too shocking, if true,  given their history,  but what is shocking is that if they were to be found guilty,  the penalty would be draft picks, NOT forfeiture.

The Belichick regime really is the most hateful in the NFL. This idea of 'The Patriot Way' that's rammed down fans' and players' throats with overbearing rules and self-promotion and yet they are the biggest and most agregious cheaters in the NFL. Class act they are not.
Could you explain to a rookie like me why the patriots would want to use deflated balls? Can't  think where the advantage for them is or why the colts didn't bring it to attention during the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
Quote from: andoireabu on January 19, 2015, 09:07:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 08:24:58 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
A lot of discussion here today about the Patriots tampering with the balls. Not too shocking, if true,  given their history,  but what is shocking is that if they were to be found guilty,  the penalty would be draft picks, NOT forfeiture.

The Belichick regime really is the most hateful in the NFL. This idea of 'The Patriot Way' that's rammed down fans' and players' throats with overbearing rules and self-promotion and yet they are the biggest and most agregious cheaters in the NFL. Class act they are not.
Could you explain to a rookie like me why the patriots would want to use deflated balls? Can't  think where the advantage for them is or why the colts didn't bring it to attention during the game.

Easier to handle/throw and catch for the receivers in bad weather.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 19, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
Easier for both sets of receivers and quarterbacks to catch/throw? Or just for the patriots?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 19, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
Easier for both sets of receivers and quarterbacks to catch/throw? Or just for the patriots?

Ball boys would be Patriots. It would be easy to have a different ball for the Colts offense, *if* the pats were so inclined. It would be sort of like giving a dry sliotar to only the home free taker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 19, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
Easier for both sets of receivers and quarterbacks to catch/throw? Or just for the patriots?

Given that the Patriots are the home team the balls were their responsibility after the NFL gives them the (I think 12) match balls before kickoff, the Pats could easily have given the Colts the still-blown up balls when they had the ball. We'll see if anything comes of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 09:21:48 PM
It does sound like a Belichek type stunt, but then again that's probably why the rumour has surfaced. It only has to seem believable to grow legs.

Given that the Pats basically ran it down their throats, they probably could have played with the ball from the Lombardi trophy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2015, 10:19:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 19, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
Easier for both sets of receivers and quarterbacks to catch/throw? Or just for the patriots?

Given that the Patriots are the home team the balls were their responsibility after the NFL gives them the (I think 12) match balls before kickoff, the Pats could easily have given the Colts the still-blown up balls when they had the ball. We'll see if anything comes of it.

Each team supplies six to the league in advance of game I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
No, I think he's right. Home team provides 12.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 19, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 19, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 18, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Never bought the hype on Rodgers. Good qb but not great. Brady wouldn't have been stopped on the 1 yard line twice and ultimately that cost GB.

On Jeff Reinbold I think he's superb and a nice bloke too ( I followed him on Twitter during the week and he tweeted me to thank me then answered a load of football questions quickly thereafter), not fussed on Reynolds although much better than he used to be. Liked Nick Halling back in the day too.

Not sure you can call it hype David, by any definition of the word he has been great so far.

In 7 full seasons he has 226 TDs 57 INT,  QB rating of 106.

Super Bowl winner / Super Bowl MVP. League MVP (with another likely to follow in two weeks)

Before last night his playoff rating was over 100 and in the top 5 all time I believe.

If he didn't play another down he would still go in as a first ballot Hall Of Famer, in my opinion.

When he is finished I see him being viewed in top 5 all time great QBs.

As for Brady getting in from the 1yd line, McCarthy is calling the plays not Rodgers. If Belichick was coaching GB last night they would be preparing for a Super Bowl appearance.

In terms of stats and measurables Rodgers is an excellent QB but at the end of the day his job is as much to manage/win games as it is to run up stats I think had Brady been under centre he'd have found away to score regardless who was play calling. Also there's been a lot of talk recently that Rodgers has Carte Blanche as far as play calling goes on offensive in Green Bay. . No doubt Rodgers is a first round hall of famer but when it comes to who I would want under centre in a big game or big drive Id take Brady and a host of others in front of Rodgers any day. I don't buy the hype that Rodgers is the best of his generation. Don't get me wrong he's still very very good but he's not in that top echelon for me. I noticed last night he's only 28% on game winning drives in his career. Quite a bit lower than the other 3 QB's last night.

.......Was gonna type fairly long post that among other things W-L isn't a QB stat like baseball, it seems to be creeping into conversations now though, a QB job isn't to win games, too many other facets of the game determine that, QB job is to throw TDs and not INT, Brady hasn't won a SB in ten years, he is 9-8 in playoffs since last SB win if you want to use the W-L stat & 0-2 in SBs (and i think Bardy is one of the best ever )but he has also had the best ever head coach putting together a roster year after year.........but couldn't be arsed  ;)

We will agree to disagree !

People are probably getting fed up reading my defence of Rodgers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2015, 10:45:26 PM
Sorry 11-8 counting this years two playoff games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 19, 2015, 04:25:00 AM
Seanie, you told me 2 weeks ago to grow up for calling out you on hating the Packers and Rodgers. You are full of dung. You hate Rodgers and the packers. I said 2 weeks ago, that was fair enough. Some of the shite you are talking on here is embarrassing . RIGHT now, Aaron Rodgers is a first ballot Hall of Famer...

So what if I hate them. Do you think you're some sort of investigative genius for working that out?

I have to acknowledge he is a very good QB but like David McKeown I think he is overhyped and some of his play, particularly when things are tough, doesn't stand up to scrutiny for a "first ballot Hall of Famer". If Peyton Manning was QB of Green Bay last night and things went down the same way he would be getting destroyed today. There are also other things about him that annoy me and I've highlighted them. Feel free to disagree, be embarrassed if you like.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2015, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
No, I think he's right. Home team provides 12.

We'll split the difference - article on NFL.com reporting the investigation says both teams provide 12.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2015, 11:50:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 19, 2015, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
No, I think he's right. Home team provides 12.

We'll split the difference - article on NFL.com reporting the investigation says both teams provide 12.

I take it back - from the rule book:

QuoteThe home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials' locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 20, 2015, 12:59:08 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 19, 2015, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
No, I think he's right. Home team provides 12.

We'll split the difference - article on NFL.com reporting the investigation says both teams provide 12.

Dean Blandino said that due to it being a wet game each team actually provides more than 12 balls. The regular 12 plus up to 12 more to account for weather. They are all inspected and weighed pre-game then any taken out are re-examined midweek. Only one ball was taken out mid game which isn't unusual. There may be something to it but I think this one may be blown out of all proportion because it involves the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 20, 2015, 01:05:36 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 19, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 19, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 19, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 18, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Never bought the hype on Rodgers. Good qb but not great. Brady wouldn't have been stopped on the 1 yard line twice and ultimately that cost GB.

On Jeff Reinbold I think he's superb and a nice bloke too ( I followed him on Twitter during the week and he tweeted me to thank me then answered a load of football questions quickly thereafter), not fussed on Reynolds although much better than he used to be. Liked Nick Halling back in the day too.

Not sure you can call it hype David, by any definition of the word he has been great so far.

In 7 full seasons he has 226 TDs 57 INT,  QB rating of 106.

Super Bowl winner / Super Bowl MVP. League MVP (with another likely to follow in two weeks)

Before last night his playoff rating was over 100 and in the top 5 all time I believe.

If he didn't play another down he would still go in as a first ballot Hall Of Famer, in my opinion.

When he is finished I see him being viewed in top 5 all time great QBs.

As for Brady getting in from the 1yd line, McCarthy is calling the plays not Rodgers. If Belichick was coaching GB last night they would be preparing for a Super Bowl appearance.

In terms of stats and measurables Rodgers is an excellent QB but at the end of the day his job is as much to manage/win games as it is to run up stats I think had Brady been under centre he'd have found away to score regardless who was play calling. Also there's been a lot of talk recently that Rodgers has Carte Blanche as far as play calling goes on offensive in Green Bay. . No doubt Rodgers is a first round hall of famer but when it comes to who I would want under centre in a big game or big drive Id take Brady and a host of others in front of Rodgers any day. I don't buy the hype that Rodgers is the best of his generation. Don't get me wrong he's still very very good but he's not in that top echelon for me. I noticed last night he's only 28% on game winning drives in his career. Quite a bit lower than the other 3 QB's last night.

.......Was gonna type fairly long post that among other things W-L isn't a QB stat like baseball, it seems to be creeping into conversations now though, a QB job isn't to win games, too many other facets of the game determine that, QB job is to throw TDs and not INT, Brady hasn't won a SB in ten years, he is 9-8 in playoffs since last SB win if you want to use the W-L stat & 0-2 in SBs (and i think Bardy is one of the best ever )but he has also had the best ever head coach putting together a roster year after year.........but couldn't be arsed  ;)

We will agree to disagree !

People are probably getting fed up reading my defence of Rodgers

No not at all I appreciate the alternative perspective on Rodgers. In terms of td to int ratio, Rodgers is phenomenal don't get me wrong but he's had arguably a better D and better supporting cast than most over the last 5 years and now only has 1sb appearance. I disagree about what to look for in QB, I think ability to find a way to win when the chips are down is much more impressive than the numbers. For that reason until he wins at least another SB, I don't think Rodgers can be talked about as the best of his generation or a top 5 ever QB and therefore is by definition overhyped.

Talking of QB stats though the one about Wilson having a lead in every game he's played since Freshman year of college is remarkable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 20, 2015, 07:53:44 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 20, 2015, 01:05:36 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 19, 2015, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 19, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 19, 2015, 06:33:21 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 18, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Never bought the hype on Rodgers. Good qb but not great. Brady wouldn't have been stopped on the 1 yard line twice and ultimately that cost GB.

On Jeff Reinbold I think he's superb and a nice bloke too ( I followed him on Twitter during the week and he tweeted me to thank me then answered a load of football questions quickly thereafter), not fussed on Reynolds although much better than he used to be. Liked Nick Halling back in the day too.

Not sure you can call it hype David, by any definition of the word he has been great so far.

In 7 full seasons he has 226 TDs 57 INT,  QB rating of 106.

Super Bowl winner / Super Bowl MVP. League MVP (with another likely to follow in two weeks)

Before last night his playoff rating was over 100 and in the top 5 all time I believe.

If he didn't play another down he would still go in as a first ballot Hall Of Famer, in my opinion.

When he is finished I see him being viewed in top 5 all time great QBs.

As for Brady getting in from the 1yd line, McCarthy is calling the plays not Rodgers. If Belichick was coaching GB last night they would be preparing for a Super Bowl appearance.

In terms of stats and measurables Rodgers is an excellent QB but at the end of the day his job is as much to manage/win games as it is to run up stats I think had Brady been under centre he'd have found away to score regardless who was play calling. Also there's been a lot of talk recently that Rodgers has Carte Blanche as far as play calling goes on offensive in Green Bay. . No doubt Rodgers is a first round hall of famer but when it comes to who I would want under centre in a big game or big drive Id take Brady and a host of others in front of Rodgers any day. I don't buy the hype that Rodgers is the best of his generation. Don't get me wrong he's still very very good but he's not in that top echelon for me. I noticed last night he's only 28% on game winning drives in his career. Quite a bit lower than the other 3 QB's last night.

.......Was gonna type fairly long post that among other things W-L isn't a QB stat like baseball, it seems to be creeping into conversations now though, a QB job isn't to win games, too many other facets of the game determine that, QB job is to throw TDs and not INT, Brady hasn't won a SB in ten years, he is 9-8 in playoffs since last SB win if you want to use the W-L stat & 0-2 in SBs (and i think Bardy is one of the best ever )but he has also had the best ever head coach putting together a roster year after year.........but couldn't be arsed  ;)

We will agree to disagree !

People are probably getting fed up reading my defence of Rodgers

No not at all I appreciate the alternative perspective on Rodgers. In terms of td to int ratio, Rodgers is phenomenal don't get me wrong but he's had arguably a better D and better supporting cast than most over the last 5 years and now only has 1sb appearance. I disagree about what to look for in QB, I think ability to find a way to win when the chips are down is much more impressive than the numbers. For that reason until he wins at least another SB, I don't think Rodgers can be talked about as the best of his generation or a top 5 ever QB and therefore is by definition overhyped.

Talking of QB stats though the one about Wilson having a lead in every game he's played since Freshman year of college is remarkable.

Every time I hear that one about super bowls, two things jump into my head. 1 is Dan Marino. The second is Eli Manning v Payton.

There are several intangibles about QB which are inherently hard to measure, but of the measurables you have to say Rodgers has been excellent thus far. Excellent does not mean faultless mind you!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 05:33:08 AM
Reports are now saying 11 of the 12 Pats' footballs were 2 pounds under the regulated pressure, and they had to have been at at the regulated pressure when they were checked and handed back to the Pats just before kickoff.

Looks like someone got caught red-handed. Again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 09:42:42 AM
It's actually funny when you think about it. One of the Pats lads going around with a needle sticking it into the valve and walking off whistling :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

The cheating I suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

The cheating I suppose.

Seanie i dont have your knowledge of the game. What else has he been up to apart from deflating these balls.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

Belichick has to be the best coach of the modern era, and possibly any era. I posted above some of his stats, and the fact he's basically rebuilding a team every few years means his accomplishments are unreal. Brady is vital, of course, but even when Brady missed the year, Belichick finished 11-5 with Matt Cassel. I don't like him, or his manner, but what he has done is fantastic in the NFL.

NFL Films do some very good shows called (A Football Life) and they have one on him. There's a trailor at http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life/09000d5d821d0244/Bill-Belichick-A-Football-Life (http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life/09000d5d821d0244/Bill-Belichick-A-Football-Life) but I'm not sure where the full program is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

The cheating I suppose.

Seanie i dont have your knowledge of the game. What else has he been up to apart from deflating these balls.

There was a spying incident against the New York Jets a while ago too. I think the cheating is over exaggerated though. It's more his demeanour I don't like, but that's hardly a hanging offence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

The cheating I suppose.

Seanie i dont have your knowledge of the game. What else has he been up to apart from deflating these balls.

There was a spying incident against the New York Jets a while ago too. I think the cheating is over exaggerated though. It's more his demeanour I don't like, but that's hardly a hanging offence.

Good man AZ. I appreciate that!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2015, 02:45:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 21, 2015, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

The cheating I suppose.

Seanie i dont have your knowledge of the game. What else has he been up to apart from deflating these balls.

There was a spying incident against the New York Jets a while ago too. I think the cheating is over exaggerated though. It's more his demeanour I don't like, but that's hardly a hanging offence.

I kind of do too. My main reason for disliking him is it's impossible to use any Patriots in fantasy bar Gronk and Brady cos the gameplan changes so much week to week! Plus he lists everyone who isn't 100% healthy as "questionable". Fantasy is tough enough without coaches like him!!!

His achievements are amazing. He looks like a sour ould hoor but maybe he's not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 03:00:23 PM
On offense it's more Brady and McDaniels. Belichick comes from a defensive background.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 03:04:05 PM
Belichick sets the tone though. McDaniels is only OC since 2012 the second time around. Hoodie is there since 2000, and has basically been winning ever since. He seems to be able to steer the ship despite players and coaches coming and going. Brady is a huge factor, but I think Belichick is the heartbeat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 21, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
What irks me as a 49er is that we got rid of a coach that challenges his players like Belichick, a coach that got us to 3 championship games in a row but because he told it like it was he was moved on. Belichick mightn't conform to the media happy coach the 24/7 world wants nowadays but with the draft system, turnover of the teams and salary caps-the level of success on a consistent basis is phenomenal. Mannings Colts weren't to bad either and they seriously 'lucked out' (excuse the pun) going 1/15 when Manning got injured and got the next QB of the future generation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 21, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
What irks me as a 49er is that we got rid of a coach that challenges his players like Belichick, a coach that got us to 3 championship games in a row but because he told it like it was he was moved on. Belichick mightn't conform to the media happy coach the 24/7 world wants nowadays but with the draft system, turnover of the teams and salary caps-the level of success on a consistent basis is phenomenal. Mannings Colts weren't to bad either and they seriously 'lucked out' (excuse the pun) going 1/15 when Manning got injured and got the next QB of the future generation.

Why the 49ers didn't move heaven and earth to keep Harbaugh could haunt the franchise for a long time. Jed York should have been very happy to have such good coach and let him get him on with his job and supported him in everything he wanted to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 04:42:14 PM
I think he pissed off practically everyone in San Francisco. Far from moving heaven and earth to keep him, I think they would have moved heaven and earth to get rid of him. This may well be a stupid decision, and made for the wrong reasons, but this is not an instance of a coach slipping through their fingers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 04:48:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 04:42:14 PM
I think he pissed off practically everyone in San Francisco. Far from moving heaven and earth to keep him, I think they would have moved heaven and earth to get rid of him. This may well be a stupid decision, and made for the wrong reasons, but this is not an instance of a coach slipping through their fingers.

Never said it was. The players loved him and played for him even at the end, when it had went a bit wrong. Finding someone who can instill that much into a team (the 49ers were on a hiding to nothing for the previous decade or more before Harbaugh) won't be an easy task. They got a proven coach probably among the top three or so in the NFL right now and they didn't keep him. I don't know many situations where that can be anything other than a mistake.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
You said they didn't move heaven and earth to keep him. That implies to me that they 'lost' him. They didn't lose him, they wanted him gone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 04:56:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
You said they didn't move heaven and earth to keep him. That implies to me that they 'lost' him. They didn't lose him, they wanted him gone.

I mean they should have been trying to make him the happiest coach in the league, not actively trying to get rid. Sure they were even toying with trading (ffs, trading!) Harbaugh last year.

I doubt Belichick is the easiest man to work with either, but you make allowances for coaches that are as good as Harbaugh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 05:00:26 PM
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I think in that argument, the general manager is the one who should have lost out. But it's no secret that Harbaugh is hard to get on with, and the niners just decided to get rid.

As for the players, I'm not sure all of them were in love with his style either. There were rumblings early in the season about his grip on the locker room, so maybe all was not well there either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2015, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 03:04:05 PM
Belichick sets the tone though. McDaniels is only OC since 2012 the second time around. Hoodie is there since 2000, and has basically been winning ever since. He seems to be able to steer the ship despite players and coaches coming and going. Brady is a huge factor, but I think Belichick is the heartbeat.

Yeah he is, regardless of how people view him he is arguably the best HC ever. He finished 11-5 with Matt feckin Cassell in 2008 when Brady went down with an ACL in the first game of the season.

An absolute master at realising when a once great player has run their race, it will be the same with Brady, once his level drops off he will be out of there.

There is an excellent two parter on Sky Sports On Demand, where he allowed himself to be filmed in the 2009 season

"On to Cincinnati" :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 21, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
Delighted that Harbaugh's at Michigan--can't stand him (an insufferable boor) and Michigan's just that Team up North.  Double the hatin' pleasure. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 21, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
Delighted that Harbaugh's at Michigan--can't stand him (an insufferable boor) and Michigan's just that Team up North.  Double the hatin' pleasure.

If I was Urban Meyer I'd be very afraid of Harbaugh eating OSU's lunch. Look what he did with a nowerwhere college like Stanford were when he arrived. Michigan are a sleeping giant. With the Spartans strong too those teams could end up giving each other black eyes, ala the SEC West.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 21, 2015, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2015, 01:13:52 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Lads is Bellichick the best coach of the modern generation or does Brady call the offensive shots?

What makes him so disliked?Arrogance I assume?

Anyone know of any documentaries (youtube) that could give me an insight into the mindset of Bellichick and Brady?

Cheers

Belichick has to be the best coach of the modern era, and possibly any era. I posted above some of his stats, and the fact he's basically rebuilding a team every few years means his accomplishments are unreal. Brady is vital, of course, but even when Brady missed the year, Belichick finished 11-5 with Matt Cassel. I don't like him, or his manner, but what he has done is fantastic in the NFL.

NFL Films do some very good shows called (A Football Life) and they have one on him. There's a trailor at http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life/09000d5d821d0244/Bill-Belichick-A-Football-Life (http://www.nfl.com/videos/a-football-life/09000d5d821d0244/Bill-Belichick-A-Football-Life) but I'm not sure where the full program is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxOSvn5loTY
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
Tbh lads, the media have f**k all to talk about this week! Nothing on! Spy gate in my eyes was a pantomime also. The Pats record since spy gate is actually better than it was before it. Also, Hall of Fame coaches ( and SB winners) Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher are on RECORD saying that did the same thing Belichick did.
This current situation is no doubt embarrassing for the Pats. Technically illegal , but I just drove down the 805 doing 90. Good TV though 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
Tbh lads, the media have f**k all to talk about this week! Nothing on! Spy gate in my eyes was a pantomime also. The Pats record since spy gate is actually better than it was before it. Also, Hall of Fame coaches ( and SB winners) Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher are on RECORD saying that did the same thing Belichick did.
This current situation is no doubt embarrassing for the Pats. Technically illegal , but I just drove down the 805 doing 90. Good TV though 8)

Breaking rules is breaking rules. What's most disconcerting here is the clear designed intent to break the rules rather than if it effected the result or not, which is the straw man a lot of Patriots defenders seem to be setting up. For the same team to be caught like this twice in less than a decade speaks to the Patriots' values on an institutional level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2015, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
Tbh lads, the media have f**k all to talk about this week! Nothing on! Spy gate in my eyes was a pantomime also. The Pats record since spy gate is actually better than it was before it. Also, Hall of Fame coaches ( and SB winners) Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher are on RECORD saying that did the same thing Belichick did.
This current situation is no doubt embarrassing for the Pats. Technically illegal , but I just drove down the 805 doing 90. Good TV though 8)

Breaking rules is breaking rules. What's most disconcerting here is the clear designed intent to break the rules rather than if it effected the result or not, which is the straw man a lot of Patriots defenders seem to be setting up. For the same team to be caught like this twice in less than a decade speaks to the Patriots' values on an institutional level.

The same could be said with regards to demanding money in response for commitment to a particular university. People tend to look past these things or do a half arsed investigation where the star gets away with things.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maigheo on January 21, 2015, 11:47:44 PM
In the regular season game v the colts, Jonas Gray rushed for 201 yards and 4 touchdowns.The following week he stood on the line and never got in the game because he showed up late for practice on friday.No messing around with Belichick and that is one of the reasons he has been so successful.For me he is the best coach ever and I don't even like him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 11:49:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2015, 10:19:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2015, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
Tbh lads, the media have f**k all to talk about this week! Nothing on! Spy gate in my eyes was a pantomime also. The Pats record since spy gate is actually better than it was before it. Also, Hall of Fame coaches ( and SB winners) Jimmy Johnson and Bill Cowher are on RECORD saying that did the same thing Belichick did.
This current situation is no doubt embarrassing for the Pats. Technically illegal , but I just drove down the 805 doing 90. Good TV though 8)

Breaking rules is breaking rules. What's most disconcerting here is the clear designed intent to break the rules rather than if it effected the result or not, which is the straw man a lot of Patriots defenders seem to be setting up. For the same team to be caught like this twice in less than a decade speaks to the Patriots' values on an institutional level.

The same could be said with regards to demanding money in response for commitment to a particular university. People tend to look past these things or do a half arses investigation where the star here away with things.

Comparing mostly poor college athletes (the whole topic of properly financially rewarding college athletes that are cash cows for their insituations is another massive debate in itself) with an NFL franchise floating in a boat of money, success and cozy relationships with ruling bodies (Goodell is a known personal friend of Robert Kraft) is a bit like comparing a tennis ball with a golf ball because they're both round.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 22, 2015, 02:56:48 AM
Hey, Syf, looks like your Auburn Tigers are going to go on a recruiting run before signing day.  Word has it they may have flipped Torrence Gipson (sp?), Ohio State's top QB commit.  Guess he felt the QB arena was getting a little crowded With Cardale Jones returning to Columbus.  Grrrr to those Tigers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 22, 2015, 01:07:38 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 22, 2015, 02:56:48 AM
Hey, Syf, looks like your Auburn Tigers are going to go on a recruiting run before signing day.  Word has it they may have flipped Torrence Gipson (sp?), Ohio State's top QB commit.  Guess he felt the QB arena was getting a little crowded With Cardale Jones returning to Columbus.  Grrrr to those Tigers!

Might be best for the lad with all the QB talent Meyer has now, with Barrett only a redshirt freshman any new freshmen coming in could have some wait ahead of them to start at OSU.

Malzahn's offensive system is excellent at production, it's so hard for defences to game-plan against even with two years of tape of him doing it at Auburn, longer if you include his time under Gene Cizik. It's a good showcase for any player - Cam was drafted #1 overall from it, Greg Robinson #2 overall, Tre Mason was drafted in the third round (and had a very good rookie season), Sammie Coates and Marshall are drawing plenty of NFL interest. On that topic, I'm interested to see what becomes of Marshall, excellent athlete but the lad's passing (throwing motion etc) probably isn't something that'll win over many NFL scouts. He's been prepping for the draft as a DB as well as a QB so he seems willing to switch positions, indeed he will play in the Senior Bowl this week as a DB.

Alabama's Blake Sims is in a similar spot, he may have to switch positions to make it at the next level. Makes for some interesting storylines ahead of the draft.

I just hope Muschamp has a big effect on defensive recruits, Auburn need to shore up the secondary badly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 25, 2015, 09:31:24 PM
And Josh Gordon fails yet another drug test--well, a huge pay day up in smoke, it seems.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2015, 09:33:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 25, 2015, 09:31:24 PM
And Josh Gordon fails yet another drug test--well, a huge pay day up in smoke, it seems.

Nice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2015, 10:08:42 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 25, 2015, 09:31:24 PM
And Josh Gordon fails yet another drug test--well, a huge pay day up in smoke, it seems.

Aye, alcohol this time. I would say he will be out of the league after this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 25, 2015, 10:35:24 PM
Alcohol? So, there's his career down the drain.

Mind you, I wonder how many county teams would be able to field a team if their players were tested for alcohol.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 25, 2015, 10:35:24 PM
Alcohol? So, there's his career down the drain.

Mind you, I wonder how many county teams would be able to field a team if their players were tested for alcohol.

It's because he had a DUI on his record, alcohol was one of the "drugs" they where testing for. Harsh but I am sure he was well aware what he could take/drink etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2015, 10:54:07 PM
At only 25 when the suspension expires and with his numbers someone will offer him at least a one-year deal at the minimum when he's available.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 26, 2015, 10:50:38 AM
It just beggars belief what Gordon has done. Millions of people have to drudge through life and he has a golden ticket to riches and he can't stop smoking dope or drinking for a few short years. Syf is probably right - someone will take a chance on him again but he doesn't deserve it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 26, 2015, 01:55:15 PM
God forbid anyone having an issue that us mere mortals might encounter in real life. The NFL is becoming a PC ridden nanny state like organisation. The lad had a drink ffs, now i know he wasn't supposed to be drinking and that entirely his fault but f**king hell he's hardly Aaron Hernandez.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 26, 2015, 02:01:01 PM
I think Goodell is a ****, and is almost the embodiment of everything that is wrong with corporate America. Everything is about the brand, the 'shield', and common sense or decency seem to go out the window. Hence the stupid fines for lads just enjoying themselves with celebrations, Marshawn Lynch being threatened with a fine for wearing gold boots etc. Contrast that with the handling of the Ray Rice thing, something that was genuinely a serious issue, and they tried to sweep it under the carpet until the publicity came out, and then they threw Rice under the bus.

Goodell, and his big red glowing head, annoy me, and I feel sorry for Gordon under those circumstances.

*HOWEVER* Gordon really needs a kick up in the arse. Draconian and all as the penalty is, he knew what the story was and what he was or was not allowed to do and he went and did it anyway. That's stupid on his behalf.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 26, 2015, 02:01:35 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 26, 2015, 01:55:15 PM
God forbid anyone having an issue that us mere mortals might encounter in real life. The NFL is becoming a PC ridden nanny state like organisation. The lad had a drink ffs, now i know he wasn't supposed to be drinking and that entirely his fault but f**king hell he's hardly Aaron Hernandez.

I'd imagine this guy has been afforded all the best care possible to help him with his issue, unlike "us mere mortals". Sympathy is misplaced on this guy, he is extremely privileged. I know smoking dope and drinking alcohol are not murder but he knows the rules he has signed up to.

Looks like someone forgot to tell JJ Watt that the NFL is about offensive players and QB's in particular. He actually tried in the Pro Bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 27, 2015, 07:34:14 PM
"I'm just here so I won't get fined"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2015, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 27, 2015, 07:34:14 PM
"I'm just here so I won't get fined"

& he might still get fined !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 27, 2015, 09:55:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 27, 2015, 09:33:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 27, 2015, 07:34:14 PM
"I'm just here so I won't get fined"

& he might still get fined !

Hope he doesn't. Most people have found it entertaining!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 27, 2015, 10:43:23 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 26, 2015, 01:55:15 PM
God forbid anyone having an issue that us mere mortals might encounter in real life. The NFL is becoming a PC ridden nanny state like organisation. The lad had a drink ffs, now i know he wasn't supposed to be drinking and that entirely his fault but f**king hell he's hardly Aaron Hernandez.
+1
Ridiculous rule.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2015, 11:46:45 PM
Seanie we will give Earl Thomas the last word on the subject  ;)

"I have to give Rodgers a lot of credit," Thomas wrote. "Going into the game, after watching the tape of their game against Dallas, I honestly didn't think he was that injured. I was preparing for the real Aaron Rodgers, not the hurt Aaron Rodgers.

"But that guy was really hurt out there. Going against him in the game, I could tell immediately that he was really in pain. And it sounds funny, but that actually caught me off-guard. Now that I'm dealing with an injury of my own, I have even more respect for him and what he did. A tremendous amount of respect."

He used a lot of quick-strike plays against us, and he attacked certain spots on the football field. It played to his advantage that they were playing an aggressive team like us. We were flying all around, but he was moving so slow and smooth. His focus was on point. I think that gave him an edge in the game.

"He also used his cadence to disrupt our rhythm. He was double counting, triple counting and the ball wasn't getting snapped until two seconds were left on the play clock. They did a great job of controlling the game in that aspect. When you talk about a football game, the game is always won up front. We have a great secondary, but our front allows us to have a lot of leeway, and all of us were just off rhythm early on."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 01:47:23 AM
Halftime show be like:

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3U5CHd1DBm4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 02, 2015, 01:48:51 AM
Good game so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 01:53:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2015, 01:48:51 AM
Good game so far.

Seahawks gettin on a roll, two brutal interceptions by Brady
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 03:01:48 AM
Inexplicable call not to go with Lynch there. Should have stolen it thanks to luck and then threw it away again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 03:06:17 AM
Possibly the worst call ever made in a SB. 1 yard and 3 goes to get in with Marshawn.

And they throw......unbelievable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 02, 2015, 03:07:58 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 03:06:17 AM
Possibly the worst call ever made in a SB. 1 yard and 3 goes to get in with Marshawn.

And they throw......unbelievable.

It has instantly become the dictionary definition of overthinking a play.

Literally the most insane play I have ever seen. Lynch smashes that ball in 99 times out of 100.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 03:09:10 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 02, 2015, 03:07:58 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 03:06:17 AM
Possibly the worst call ever made in a SB. 1 yard and 3 goes to get in with Marshawn.

And they throw......unbelievable.

It has instantly become the dictionary definition of overthinking a play.

Literally the most I sane play I have ever seen. Lynch smashes that ball in 99 times out of 100.

That's a call that will haunt them forever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 02, 2015, 03:13:10 AM
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen... Bad coaching cost the Seahawks the Superbowl! It'll be interesting to hear Carroll's explanation!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 03:14:34 AM
In NFC game, point was made that Brandon Bostick wasn't responsible for them losing because of one moment of madness. In this situation, that call is without question what has lost them it. Completely and utterly bizarre decision to throw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 02, 2015, 03:15:06 AM
Unbelievable game, unbelievable end to an unbelievable post season. Now I remember why I love this sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:24:09 AM
f**king sickened by that. One minute you're thinking all the talk will be about the ballsy calls Carroll made with the touchdown at the half and the fake field goal against Green Bay, but that was just indefensible. New England,  the colossal pricks, can't believe their luck! But with that play call, Seattle can have no complaints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:26:12 AM
Worst play call ever?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 03:30:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:26:12 AM
Worst play call ever?

Not qualified to say but has to be at the very top of the most costly list. Three goes to do it. Three! With Marshawn f**king Lynch!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 02, 2015, 03:42:13 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:26:12 AM
Worst play call ever?

As bad as the call was the rookie still needs some credit for making a great play and anticipating the underneath route.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2015, 04:08:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 03:30:53 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:26:12 AM
Worst play call ever?

Not qualified to say but has to be at the very top of the most costly list. Three goes to do it. Three! With Marshawn f**king Lynch!!

And Russell Wilson to run it in too!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 02, 2015, 04:34:50 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:24:09 AM
f**king sickened by that. One minute you're thinking all the talk will be about the ballsy calls Carroll made with the touchdown at the half and the fake field goal against Green Bay, but that was just indefensible. New England,  the colossal pricks, can't believe their luck! But with that play call, Seattle can have no complaints.
Luck?? It was a brilliant play by the DB, shouldn't have been given the opportunity , but that's hardly his fault. Also, was the 40 yard pass that got Seattle down to the 3 yard line a little lucky? Maybe??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 02, 2015, 04:57:44 AM
Pete Carroll's and Seattles arrogance caught up with them. They should have gone and won the game after the lucky catch but in true fashion tried to win with a cheeky play. Then when they had NE on their own goal line gave away a penalty when NE still had to get out. Clowns then starting a row.

NE dominated the 1st half but ended up tied at half time when they should have been well ahead. Credit to Seattle for hanging in and then crushing the 3rd quarter.
Edelman was huge, really distroyed Seattle. He took a hit in the 4th and I'm sure he was concussed. He was wobbling getting up but caught a ball 2 plays later and looked really groggy getting up.

Enjoyable game 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 08:21:11 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 02, 2015, 03:42:13 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2015, 03:26:12 AM
Worst play call ever?

As bad as the call was the rookie still needs some credit for making a great play and anticipating the underneath route.

Definitely - especially after making what should have been a great play on the Kearse catch only to see it land in his lap. He had a big defended pass on Matthews on the previous drive too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mick999 on February 02, 2015, 08:40:24 AM
Come on Cavan !!


http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/02/02/cavan-patriot/

(http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/patriot.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 08:55:36 AM
I went to the scratcher in 4th Q so only seen the final play once , did Wilson audible out of a run to throw the slant ?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:07:10 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 02, 2015, 08:55:36 AM
I went to the scratcher in 4th Q so only seen the final play once , did Wilson audible out of a run to throw the slant ?
Nope. Sideline call. Players openly not happy with it either in the dressing room afterwards.

Lynch himself is being cool about it making reference to it being a team game, although he must be massively disappointed.

Hopefully it pushes him to Oakland
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 02, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
Fluke catch means Tom Brady will always be remembered as a wee bit of a loser.

Seconds later, awful call and inspired play by a rookie means Tom Brady will always be remembered as arguably the GOAT.

Neither of these things happened when Tom Brady was on the field.

You gotta love the Manichean nature of American sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:22:23 AM
If Seattle had won, Brady would be 3-3 in Super Bowls thanks to two of the most bizarre, flukey catches in NFL history when he should be 5-.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

I think Belichick got away with one too. Why in the hell did he not call timeout there when there was 50 odd seconds there? It worked out brilliant for him, but if Seattle had scored after running the clock down to 13 or 14 seconds, he'd deserve a kick up in the hole. I'd have given Brady a decent chance to get a Fieldgoal if they had 1 timeout and 45 seconds left. I know what Clov is saying, but to be honest I can't agree with the call at all. Lynch is the horse, Wilson at read option would even have been a good call, but to throw the ball there? I'm sorry I can't see it.

Brady recovered himself brilliantly. He had himself spooked completely in the face of the Seattle pass rush. He was seeing shadows and not stepping into his throws. Looked very rattled. Then in one of his chats to himself on the sideline, he obviously sorted himself out. That's brilliant to see in fairness. Also Edelman, what a warrior he was last night. He was getting pegged from pillar to post. chancellor's hit on him hurt *me*, and he looked like he was a little woozy for a few plays after that, but he just kept going. Welker mark 2.

I was so happy to see Carroll's face when the interception was thrown, and Sherman's too. Although to be fair to Sherman, he seems to be the real deal, and he is a great player. I just wish he'd shut his mouth. Why slag off Revis to the cameras in the middle of the game. Karma's a bitch, you'd think a Stanford grad would have more cop on.

All in all a great game, and the Patriots are worthy winners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 09:25:41 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:07:10 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 02, 2015, 08:55:36 AM
I went to the scratcher in 4th Q so only seen the final play once , did Wilson audible out of a run to throw the slant ?
Nope. Sideline call. Players openly not happy with it either in the dressing room afterwards.

Lynch himself is being cool about it making reference to it being a team game, although he must be massively disappointed.

Hopefully it pushes him to Oakland

Lynch is obviously the play everyone was looking for but its hard to run on a goal line defense.

Lynch ran from the 1yd line 5 times this season, 1TD, two for no gain and two for lossess so it's no slam dunk but a pass that close is risky
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 02, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
Fluke catch means Tom Brady will always be remembered as a wee bit of a loser.

Seconds later, awful call and inspired play by a rookie means Tom Brady will always be remembered as arguably the GOAT.

Neither of these things happened when Tom Brady was on the field.

You gotta love the Manichean nature of American sport.

Or the fact that of all the sports, American Football is truly the definition of a team sport. All it takes is one blown assignment, one silly penalty, or one weak link and your dreams go poof.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:30:35 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

I think Belichick got away with one too. Why in the hell did he not call timeout there when there was 50 odd seconds there? It worked out brilliant for him, but if Seattle had scored after running the clock down to 13 or 14 seconds, he'd deserve a kick up in the hole. I'd have given Brady a decent chance to get a Fieldgoal if they had 1 timeout and 45 seconds left. I know what Clov is saying, but to be honest I can't agree with the call at all. Lynch is the horse, Wilson at read option would even have been a good call, but to throw the ball there? I'm sorry I can't see it.

Brady recovered himself brilliantly. He had himself spooked completely in the face of the Seattle pass rush. He was seeing shadows and not stepping into his throws. Looked very rattled. Then in one of his chats to himself on the sideline, he obviously sorted himself out. That's brilliant to see in fairness. Also Edelman, what a warrior he was last night. He was getting pegged from pillar to post. chancellor's hit on him hurt *me*, and he looked like he was a little woozy for a few plays after that, but he just kept going. Welker mark 2.

I was so happy to see Carroll's face when the interception was thrown, and Sherman's too. Although to be fair to Sherman, he seems to be the real deal, and he is a great player. I just wish he'd shut his mouth. Why slag off Revis to the cameras in the middle of the game. Karma's a bitch, you'd think a Stanford grad would have more cop on.

All in all a great game, and the Patriots are worthy winners.

Sherman has an enormous amount of cop on in fairness. The trash talk is just pantomime stuff. I have a lot of time for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 02, 2015, 09:31:34 AM
Quote from: mick999 on February 02, 2015, 08:40:24 AM
Come on Cavan !!


http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/02/02/cavan-patriot/

(http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/patriot.jpg)

People thought it was Malcolm Butler under the helmet, but it was really Larry Reilly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!



I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

Maybe. I guess the advantage of throwing on 2nd down is that should you go incomplete, with with the timeout in your pocket you can go either pass or run on 3rd down. Once you get into a situation were you have to pass on 3rd down then it is much easier for the defense. But may be i'm overthinking it.
As for the play call of a slant - well its probably got a much higher success rate than say a back shoulder fade to the corner and even though the risk of interception is probably greater i can understand their thinking that you have to go for it at that stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!



I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

Maybe. I guess the advantage of throwing on 2nd down is that should you go incomplete, with with the timeout in your pocket you can go either pass or run on 3rd down. Once you get into a situation were you have to pass on 3rd down then it is much easier for the defense. But may be i'm overthinking it.
As for the play call of a slant - well its probably got a much higher success rate than say a back shoulder fade to the corner and even though the risk of interception is probably greater i can understand their thinking that you have to go for it at that stage.

They were on the 1 yard line, down four points, with 30 second left in the Super Bowl - decision to pass or run nothing to do with downs at that stage. Put the f**king thing in the end zone whatever way you can and trust your vaunted defence, even if Brady was getting on top by that stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 02, 2015, 09:41:36 AM
Was there ever a time in football when a QB would have said "feck it, we're running the ball"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:49:30 AM
Most QBs have the option to audible to a run if they see a formation that they don't like (and vice versa). That's where the great ones really come into their own. Manning is exceptional at that. But if it doesn't come off, you have to have a damn good explanation why you didn't run the play called. That's where experience and having a good CV come into play. I just cant understand (if they were thinking pass) why they didn't roll Wilson out and let him have a read option. A quick slant is a high percentage play, but it's not as high as Wilson on a read option. They only needed 1 yard..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!



I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

Maybe. I guess the advantage of throwing on 2nd down is that should you go incomplete, with with the timeout in your pocket you can go either pass or run on 3rd down. Once you get into a situation were you have to pass on 3rd down then it is much easier for the defense. But may be i'm overthinking it.
As for the play call of a slant - well its probably got a much higher success rate than say a back shoulder fade to the corner and even though the risk of interception is probably greater i can understand their thinking that you have to go for it at that stage.

They were on the 1 yard line, down four points, with 30 second left in the Super Bowl - decision to pass or run nothing to do with downs at that stage. Put the f**king thing in the end zone whatever way you can and trust your vaunted defence, even if Brady was getting on top by that stage.

The decision to pass or run has everything to do with downs at that stage. If you go run only then you don't give yourself the oppurtunity of a fourth down play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:53:45 AM
Not necessarily Clov. What you do is call two run plays in the huddle, and if you don't get in you hustle to the line. Then you take your time out after the 3rd down, with maybe 2 seconds on the clock. It's not like where you have to sprint 30 yards downfield after an in bounds completion and try and get on the ball.

Goal line package, everyone in, two run plays called, run one - bam. stopped. with 18 seconds left. Reset, run two - bam, 5 seconds left. Time Out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:49:30 AM
Most QBs have the option to audible to a run if they see a formation that they don't like (and vice versa). That's where the great ones really come into their own. Manning is exceptional at that. But if it doesn't come off, you have to have a damn good explanation why you didn't run the play called. That's where experience and having a good CV come into play. I just cant understand (if they were thinking pass) why they didn't roll Wilson out and let him have a read option. A quick slant is a high percentage play, but it's not as high as Wilson on a read option. They only needed 1 yard..

I agree with this. Wilson on a bootleg would have been what i would have expected. The problem with the slant is that it doesn't take advantage of seattle's greatest strength in their passing plays - the threat of the run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!



I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

Maybe. I guess the advantage of throwing on 2nd down is that should you go incomplete, with with the timeout in your pocket you can go either pass or run on 3rd down. Once you get into a situation were you have to pass on 3rd down then it is much easier for the defense. But may be i'm overthinking it.
As for the play call of a slant - well its probably got a much higher success rate than say a back shoulder fade to the corner and even though the risk of interception is probably greater i can understand their thinking that you have to go for it at that stage.

They were on the 1 yard line, down four points, with 30 second left in the Super Bowl - decision to pass or run nothing to do with downs at that stage. Put the f**king thing in the end zone whatever way you can and trust your vaunted defence, even if Brady was getting on top by that stage.

The decision to pass or run has everything to do with downs at that stage. If you go run only then you don't give yourself the oppurtunity of a fourth down play.

And you certainly don't if you get intercepted. My point is at that stage the paramount objective is to score the thing whatever the feck way you can. Running Lynch or Wilson, whether managing two plays or three, definitely the better option.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:15:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:30:35 AM


Sherman has an enormous amount of cop on in fairness. The trash talk is just pantomime stuff. I have a lot of time for him.

True, and I have a lot of time for him as a player as well. He's apparently away for Tommy John surgery in the offseason. I just wish he'd shut up. He takes the pantomime too far. Like Revis couldn't see that gesture, so it wasn't even trash talking him, it was purely for the TV cameras.

Having said all this, I like these photos. If you give it out, fair play when you take it like a man, even though you were gutted.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8zwVnwCcAAP31x.jpg)

(http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/brady_sherman.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
Def AZ, the hysterical (and frankly racist) response to the Crabtree rant last year was ludicrous and locked Sherman into the "guy everyone wants to hate" character, which I think he plays on quite a bit, even though his response to the accusations that followed was exceptionally composed and dignified. Same with the "u mad, bro" incident the year before.

Will be interesting to see how Seattle respond to this. They should be two time champs and looking to create a dynasty. Instead they're licking wounds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
Def AZ, the hysterical (and frankly racist) response to the Crabtree rant last year was ludicrous and locked Sherman into the "guy everyone wants to hate" character, which I think he plays on quite a bit, even though his response to the accusations that followed was exceptionally composed and dignified. Same with the "u mad, bro" incident the year before.

Will be interesting to see how Seattle respond to this. They should be two time champs and looking to create a dynasty. Instead they're licking wounds.

I remember posting last year after the superbowl that they'd be back, because their contractual situation wasn't bad for the NFL. This year I'm not so sure. Lynch is obviously an issue, but I think a few of their defensive players may be free agents too. They don't have a marquee WR, so it's not like they are going to lose a big name there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:39:15 AM
The Seahawks Free Agents.

James Carpenter   G   25   SEA   TBD   $2,431,364   UFA
Kevin Williams   DT   34   SEA   TBD   $2,078,125   UFA
Heath Farwell   ILB   33   SEA   TBD   $1,666,667   UFA
Jeron Johnson   S   26   SEA   TBD   $1,453,125   UFA
Anthony McCoy   TE   27   SEA   TBD   $1,350,000   UFA
Tarvaris Jackson   QB   31   SEA   TBD   $1,250,000   UFA
Clint Gresham   LS   28   SEA   TBD   $887,500   UFA
Demarcus Dobbs   DE   27   SEA   TBD   $673,412   UFA
Byron Maxwell   CB   26   SEA   TBD   $673,363   UFA
Malcolm Smith   OLB   25   SEA   TBD   $656,475   UFA
Michael Morgan   OLB   27   SEA   TBD   $645,000   RFA
Jermaine Kearse   WR   24   SEA   TBD   $570,000   RFA
D'Anthony Smith   DT   26   SEA   TBD   $570,000   UFA
Deshawn Shead   S   26   SEA   TBD   $570,000   ERFA
Ricardo Lockette   WR   28   SEA   TBD   $570,000   ERFA
O'Brien Schofield   OLB   27   SEA   TBD   $570,000   UFA
Steve Schilling   G   26   SEA   TBD   $517,000   UFA
Greg Scruggs   DE   24   SEA   TBD   $368,823   RFA
Will Tukuafu   FB   31   SEA   TBD   $341,470   UFA
David Gilreath   WR   26   SEA   TBD   $318,000   RFA
Tony Moeaki   TE   27   SEA   TBD   $303,529   UFA
Bryan Walters   WR   27   SEA   TBD   $268,235   UFA
Sidney Rice   WR   28   SEA   TBD   -   UFA
Landon Cohen   DT   28   SEA   TBD   -   UFA
Stacy Andrews   G   33   SEA   TBD   -   UFA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:35:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
Def AZ, the hysterical (and frankly racist) response to the Crabtree rant last year was ludicrous and locked Sherman into the "guy everyone wants to hate" character, which I think he plays on quite a bit, even though his response to the accusations that followed was exceptionally composed and dignified. Same with the "u mad, bro" incident the year before.

Will be interesting to see how Seattle respond to this. They should be two time champs and looking to create a dynasty. Instead they're licking wounds.

I remember posting last year after the superbowl that they'd be back, because their contractual situation wasn't bad for the NFL. This year I'm not so sure. Lynch is obviously an issue, but I think a few of their defensive players may be free agents too. They don't have a marquee WR, so it's not like they are going to lose a big name there.

I don't think Lynch is the sort to throw a strop over one call so can't see it having an impact as some on the twitterverse are saying. If they'd won, I think Lynch would have signed or walked away altogether and gone home to his foundation in Oakland. Probably lean more towards staying.

Think the LoB is largely locked down but they're all on big contracts now. Dunno about the two lines - Bennett was a monster last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:42:18 AM
Sidney Rice is still there?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 10:42:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:28:10 AM
Def AZ, the hysterical (and frankly racist) response to the Crabtree rant last year was ludicrous and locked Sherman into the "guy everyone wants to hate" character, which I think he plays on quite a bit, even though his response to the accusations that followed was exceptionally composed and dignified. Same with the "u mad, bro" incident the year before.

Will be interesting to see how Seattle respond to this. They should be two time champs and looking to create a dynasty. Instead they're licking wounds.

A true #1 WR would be a good help but they don't need to add much. Lynch is getting to that age where a RBs production/performance can disappear in the blink of an eye but other than that they are well set.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:42:18 AM
Sidney Rice is still there?!

No retired last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 02, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 10:42:18 AM
Sidney Rice is still there?!

No retired last year

Retired in July, yeah, I suppose he would be technically in a contract year. He didn't count against the 2014 cap though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:45:28 AM
Anyway, the good news...

QuoteThe NFL Scouting Combine will be held February 17 – 23, 2015.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 02, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!



I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

Maybe. I guess the advantage of throwing on 2nd down is that should you go incomplete, with with the timeout in your pocket you can go either pass or run on 3rd down. Once you get into a situation were you have to pass on 3rd down then it is much easier for the defense. But may be i'm overthinking it.
As for the play call of a slant - well its probably got a much higher success rate than say a back shoulder fade to the corner and even though the risk of interception is probably greater i can understand their thinking that you have to go for it at that stage.

They were on the 1 yard line, down four points, with 30 second left in the Super Bowl - decision to pass or run nothing to do with downs at that stage. Put the f**king thing in the end zone whatever way you can and trust your vaunted defence, even if Brady was getting on top by that stage.

The decision to pass or run has everything to do with downs at that stage. If you go run only then you don't give yourself the oppurtunity of a fourth down play.

And you certainly don't if you get intercepted. My point is at that stage the paramount objective is to score the thing whatever the feck way you can. Running Lynch or Wilson, whether managing two plays or three, definitely the better option.

I'm not sure that's true, objectively speaking. Minder put up the figures of Lynch's run's from the 1yard line and as he said it is certainly no slam dunk. I suspect the numbers would suggest that the seahawks over the last few years are as successful throwing from the 1yd line as running. But even if the numbers did favour a run i think they were still justified to call a pass there as it is a viable 4 down strategy (albeit AZ has pointed out another one). A lot of the criticism i feel is really hindsight bias.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 10:47:45 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 02, 2015, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 09:32:37 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on February 02, 2015, 09:09:22 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 02, 2015, 08:22:51 AM
I don't think the final seahawks play call was as bad as most are making out. It was 2nd down with 26s left and they had 1 timeout which means they had to throw it at least once if they wanted to avail of all 3 remaining downs. If they ran it on 2nd down and were stuffed they would have had to call timeout and then would have had to throw it on 3rd (not enough to run on 3rd down and then reset for the final play). Throwing on second down basically means the whole playbook is open to you on third down as you can save your final timeout for then if you fail on 3rd down. Of course you can argue with particular play they actual called but there i think you have to say it was a great defensive play rather than an awful call. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!



I get the point but surely it's better going with Lynch first and taking the danger of a throw away.

Also throwing a slant into heavy middle field traffic was madness.

Maybe. I guess the advantage of throwing on 2nd down is that should you go incomplete, with with the timeout in your pocket you can go either pass or run on 3rd down. Once you get into a situation were you have to pass on 3rd down then it is much easier for the defense. But may be i'm overthinking it.
As for the play call of a slant - well its probably got a much higher success rate than say a back shoulder fade to the corner and even though the risk of interception is probably greater i can understand their thinking that you have to go for it at that stage.

They were on the 1 yard line, down four points, with 30 second left in the Super Bowl - decision to pass or run nothing to do with downs at that stage. Put the f**king thing in the end zone whatever way you can and trust your vaunted defence, even if Brady was getting on top by that stage.

The decision to pass or run has everything to do with downs at that stage. If you go run only then you don't give yourself the oppurtunity of a fourth down play.

And you certainly don't if you get intercepted. My point is at that stage the paramount objective is to score the thing whatever the feck way you can. Running Lynch or Wilson, whether managing two plays or three, definitely the better option.

I'm not sure that's true, objectively speaking. Minder put up the figures of Lynch's run's from the 1yard line and as he said it is certainly no slam dunk. I suspect the numbers would suggest that the seahawks over the last few years are as successful throwing from the 1yd line as running. But even if the numbers did favour a run i think they were still justified to call a pass there as it is a viable 4 down strategy (albeit AZ has pointed out another one). A lot of the criticism i feel is really hindsight bias.

Ah I don't think so (hindsight I mean). I thought it was nailed on Lynch, and if not, Wilson on a rollout read option. How many quick slants did Wilson throw in the entire game I wonder?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 02, 2015, 10:52:20 AM


Ah I don't think so (hindsight I mean). I thought it was nailed on Lynch, and if not, Wilson on a rollout read option. How many quick slants did Wilson throw in the entire game I wonder?
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Well i do agree that the choice of pass was odd for them. I guess what i was arguing against was the notion that it was madness not to give to Lynch on that play. It looks like madness now because of the interception.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 11:00:46 AM
I thought it was madness then, because Lynch was steamrolling them. I don't think he had a negative run all day. He had a couple of short ones, but even they usually meant he fell forward for 2 yards.

Lynch went
3 yards
5 yards
0 yards
4 yards
3 yards
5 yards
5 yards
4 yards
5 yards
5 yards
5 yards
3 yards (TD)
3 yards
15 yards
7 yards
0 yards
3 yards
14 yards
1 yard
2 yards
2 yards
1 yard
5 yards
4 yards  (last carry with 1:06 left)

Thats 102 yards on 24 carries, with 22 of those carries being enough to score the last TD. I dunno about wise after the event, I like my chances there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 11:00:46 AM
I thought it was madness then, because Lynch was steamrolling them. I don't think he had a negative run all day. He had a couple of short ones, but even they usually meant he fell forward for 2 yards.

Lynch went
3 yards
5 yards
0 yards
4 yards
3 yards
5 yards
5 yards
4 yards
5 yards
5 yards
5 yards
3 yards (TD)
3 yards
15 yards
7 yards
0 yards
3 yards
14 yards
1 yard
2 yards
2 yards
1 yard
5 yards
4 yards  (last carry with 1:06 left)

Thats 102 yards on 24 carries, with 22 of those carries being enough to score the last TD. I dunno about wise after the event, I like my chances there.

Yeah what I was thinking in Lynchs favour is he always seems to be going forward, but on those 22 runs where he would have got enough for the TD he wasn't facing a goal line defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 11:11:05 AM
He was on the 3 yard TD run! Actually I take your point. I just looked at the TD run, and it was a 4 wide set for Seattle, with man to man defense to clear out the box. However, if you look at Balwin's 3 yard TD reception, that was more like goalline formation, but they went play action and let Wilson roll out and wait for Baldwin to come across the middle of the field, because the Pats bit completely on the play fake. That play would probably have worked again. The slant was just so incongruous, but Jaysis when you look at the tape, it was wide open. Some closing speed by Butler.


Lynch TD Run lineup.
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/TD%20Run.png)


Baldwin TD (play fake)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/Baldwin.png)

The INT (it was open!)
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/It%20was%20on.png)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2015, 03:44:53 PM
Still can't believe the play call that lost he SB for Seattle. Lynch (probably my favourite NFL player) was one carry away from MVP. I've no doubt they would have punched it in. It's truly inexplicable, Lynch hadn't had a negative run play all day as AZ confirmed (think Turbin had one alright) and I think the Seattle O-line was winning out at the end. Pure madness.

I agree with the comment earlier about how much American football is a team game.

Great game, went by so quick. Really rooting for Seattle and can't stand the Patriots so I am a bit gutted. What these two franchises show is that the right attitude and hard work, good coaching - things anyone can do - mean you can win with players that other teams don't rate. I love that. None of Seattle's WR's were even drafted! Tom Brady of course being pick number 199. Edelman, the college QB who said he'd play DB to get on the squad.

Next year of course da Bears will obliterate everyone......especially gimpy Rodgers!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 03:54:59 PM
Is that Gimpy Rodgers, the MVP? :D

I just looked at the Cardinals free agents. Holy Shit. 1-15 here we come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on February 02, 2015, 03:56:01 PM
Cavan scouts check out the Brady lad to see if he'd be any good on the '40.

http://www.joe.ie/sport/pic-who-else-spotted-the-man-wearing-the-cavan-gaa-jersey-during-the-superbowl/483251
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 02, 2015, 03:59:51 PM
Johnny Football has entered rehab

http://deadspin.com/johnny-manziel-is-in-rehab-1683232798
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 04:01:51 PM
He's a spoilt little shit, but it's not nice to see. I hope he sorts himself out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2015, 05:01:30 PM
Apparently Carroll was trying to pull New England out of the middle to open up things a wee bit for Lynch for third and fourth down and to wind down the clock.

Whatever his reasons, he will take it to his grave. Then again, other big or risky calls that worked got them to that position...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2015, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 03:54:59 PM
Is that Gimpy Rodgers, the MVP? :D

I just looked at the Cardinals free agents. Holy Shit. 1-15 here we come.

Aye, the MVP who wasn't even the best Offensive player. Most valuable PR more like.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 05:08:29 PM
See the formations I posted above there? The 4 man wide would have split them out without wasting a down. A play action pass from a tight formation might also have worked like it did before. As you said, he'll think long and hard on that one in the coming months.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 05:21:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 05:08:29 PM
See the formations I posted above there? The 4 man wide would have split them out without wasting a down. A play action pass from a tight formation might also have worked like it did before. As you said, he'll think long and hard on that one in the coming months.

Say what you want about the Seahawks but they are probably the most ballsy team when it comes to play calling but that was the one time to keep it simple & run the ball up the gut.

I see an unnamed Seahawk player reckoned Carroll intentionally threw it so Wilson would get the glory as opposed to Lynch  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2015, 05:28:14 PM
The Lynch issue is a huge one for Seattle. I must admit I doubted him at the start of the season, thought he would regress but if anything he has been even better this year. Time waits for no man though and his productions will fall off a cliff at some stage like it does for all heavy usage RB's. Thing is though - he didn't have the heaviest workload this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 02, 2015, 05:37:18 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 02, 2015, 03:59:51 PM
Johnny Football has entered rehab

http://deadspin.com/johnny-manziel-is-in-rehab-1683232798
i love that when you click on that link, a video ad for coors plays and you have to wait to get back to the reading...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 02, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
I asked this question a while back. Is Brady the best ever now in that position? I know it's subjective, but in a salary cap era, including free agency, surely he has to be up there? 4 rings , 6 Super Bowls , 9 AFC championship games, and a 3 time SB MVP. And, he ain't done yet, that's a fairly young Pats team, wtf was Rex Ryan thinking??
Terry Bradshaw and Montana also have 4, they also had better personnel around them and no salary cap and no free agency.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2015, 05:59:13 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 02, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
I asked this question a while back. Is Brady the best ever now in that position? I know it's subjective, but in a salary cap era, including free agency, surely he has to be up there? 4 rings , 6 Super Bowls , 9 AFC championship games, and a 3 time SB MVP. And, he ain't done yet, that's a fairly young Pats team, wtf was Rex Ryan thinking??
Terry Bradshaw and Montana also have 4, they also had better personnel around them and no salary cap and no free agency.

And to think all the pundits were writing the obituaries for Brady and Belichick back in September after they were hammered by Kansas City.

I can't stand the Patriots, but you have to admire their drive. I thought they were dead and buried last night in the third quarter after the SeaHawks went 10 points up and Brady was intercepted after a period where the pass rush was starting to take its toll on him. But he methodically drove them down the field twice, picking off a succession of short passes out wide to Edelman and Gronkowski and targeting the replacement corner back of Seattle. He was obviously helped by Seattle's injuries, but then they themselves were helped by facing an unfit Aaron Rodgers the last day. And the Patriots have had their problems in Superbowls too. Gronkowski was nowhere near fit when they lost to the Giants in 2012, and the Tyree and Manningham catches that broke their backs in both the Giants losses were as improbable as the one at the end last night which should have been the winning of the game for Seattle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on February 02, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
I'll tell you seattle is a quiet town this morning. Everyone is devasted  - it's like Armagh in 2003. An awful way to lose a superbowl and as was said P.C will carry the play call decisions to the grave. For me the players can still hold their heads high. It was theirs to win and their coaching staff gave it away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 02, 2015, 06:50:09 PM
I've heard a few people saying Belichick should have called a TO with 50sec on the clock, I was screaming at the TV myself. But then the camera showed him on the sideline, and straight away I said he see's something. Carroll said after that the routine was in their playbook, spread them out on one down then run in on next without a TO. These guys review hours of film so I think he knew a throw was coming and had them all jump
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
See Warren Sapp was arrested for solicitation in Phoenix after the Super Bowl. Donkey. That's him done on TV I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
See Warren Sapp was arrested for solicitation in Phoenix after the Super Bowl. Donkey. That's him done on TV I'd say.

Suspended without pay, he wouldn't be much of a miss
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 02, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
See Warren Sapp was arrested for solicitation in Phoenix after the Super Bowl. Donkey. That's him done on TV I'd say.

Suspended without pay, he wouldn't be much of a miss

What do they be thinking?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 02, 2015, 09:07:34 PM
nice graphic of the big play yesterday
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/02/02/sports/football/wilson-saw-a-window-to-victory-but-butler-stole-the-show.html?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: whitey on February 02, 2015, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 02, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
I'll tell you seattle is a quiet town this morning. Everyone is devasted  - it's like Armagh in 2003. An awful way to lose a superbowl and as was said P.C will carry the play call decisions to the grave. For me the players can still hold their heads high. It was theirs to win and their coaching staff gave it away.

Give the Pats some credit......very very ballsy move by Bellichick not to call a time out when Lynch got to yhe 1 yard line with 1 min 6 sec left on the clock.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/2uisry/the_genius_of_belichicks_no_timeout/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 02, 2015, 09:55:59 PM
The one feeling the pinch the most will be Green Bay, they were in my opinion the best team this year, its funny that the best team tends to get the chop regularly on the road to the SB.
I seen NY giants edge out New England twice when they were the better team so its nice to see them win a tight one, am probably one of the few who like both Brady and Manning.

I know Seattle were unlucky but were bordering on terrible for the 1st quarter and a half just like the 1st half of the Green Bay game. They cant expect to put in such poor starts and expect to win.

Patriots will be there abouts next year though i expect the Colts to from their most serious threat, the steelers,its hard to gauge where Denver will at.
Seattle will again look up against Green Bay likely Dallas, not sure where the 49ers will be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 02, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 02, 2015, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
See Warren Sapp was arrested for solicitation in Phoenix after the Super Bowl. Donkey. That's him done on TV I'd say.

Suspended without pay, he wouldn't be much of a miss

What do they be thinking?

Now fired
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2015, 01:49:15 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 02, 2015, 06:50:09 PM
I've heard a few people saying Belichick should have called a TO with 50sec on the clock, I was screaming at the TV myself. But then the camera showed him on the sideline, and straight away I said he see's something. Carroll said after that the routine was in their playbook, spread them out on one down then run in on next without a TO. These guys review hours of film so I think he knew a throw was coming and had them all jump

Wouldn't be the first time he'd seen the opposition playbook.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 03, 2015, 03:38:33 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2015, 01:49:15 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 02, 2015, 06:50:09 PM
I've heard a few people saying Belichick should have called a TO with 50sec on the clock, I was screaming at the TV myself. But then the camera showed him on the sideline, and straight away I said he see's something. Carroll said after that the routine was in their playbook, spread them out on one down then run in on next without a TO. These guys review hours of film so I think he knew a throw was coming and had them all jump

Wouldn't be the first time he'd seen the opposition playbook.

Well if your calling him a cheat then he won the Cheat Bowl over Pete Carroll.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 03, 2015, 06:56:35 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2015, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 02, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
I'll tell you seattle is a quiet town this morning. Everyone is devasted  - it's like Armagh in 2003. An awful way to lose a superbowl and as was said P.C will carry the play call decisions to the grave. For me the players can still hold their heads high. It was theirs to win and their coaching staff gave it away.

Give the Pats some credit......very very ballsy move by Bellichick not to call a time out when Lynch got to yhe 1 yard line with 1 min 6 sec left on the clock.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/2uisry/the_genius_of_belichicks_no_timeout/

Interesting quote from that thread -

According to ESPN: "Lynch had five rushes from the 1-yard line this season for minus-1 yard and one touchdown." Not great odds with the Super Bowl on the line.

Far from the gimme that people are making it out to be. I read somewhere on this thread that Lynch gets in 99 times out of 100 from there, but it seems the actual stat (for this year anyway) is 20 times out of 100.

I'm no fan of Carroll but it was the same risky play-calling that got them the TD at the end of the first half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 08:19:20 AM
Lies, damn lies, and statistics. You have to look at game flow. He was making progress on every run, it was late, New England were wearing down. I think we are over thinking this!

As for belichik, maybe it was genius but I don't buy it. That was almost as bad a mistake in my eyes, but it worked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 03, 2015, 08:37:53 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 03, 2015, 06:56:35 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2015, 09:13:24 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on February 02, 2015, 06:03:29 PM
I'll tell you seattle is a quiet town this morning. Everyone is devasted  - it's like Armagh in 2003. An awful way to lose a superbowl and as was said P.C will carry the play call decisions to the grave. For me the players can still hold their heads high. It was theirs to win and their coaching staff gave it away.

Give the Pats some credit......very very ballsy move by Bellichick not to call a time out when Lynch got to yhe 1 yard line with 1 min 6 sec left on the clock.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/2uisry/the_genius_of_belichicks_no_timeout/

Interesting quote from that thread -

According to ESPN: "Lynch had five rushes from the 1-yard line this season for minus-1 yard and one touchdown." Not great odds with the Super Bowl on the line.

Far from the gimme that people are making it out to be. I read somewhere on this thread that Lynch gets in 99 times out of 100 from there, but it seems the actual stat (for this year anyway) is 20 times out of 100.

I'm no fan of Carroll but it was the same risky play-calling that got them the TD at the end of the first half.

Lynch's MVP form up to that play was of far more importance than random and unrelated instances of previous one-yard rushes. The Patriots simply couldn't stop Lynch on Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 09:10:44 AM
From Bill Barnwell on Grantland:

QuoteBefore Sunday, NFL teams had thrown the ball 108 times on the opposing team's 1-yard line this season. Those passes had produced 66 touchdowns (a success rate of 61.1 percent, down to 59.5 percent when you throw in three sacks) and zero interceptions. The 223 running plays had generated 129 touchdowns (a 57.8 percent success rate) and two turnovers on fumbles.

Stretch that out to five years and the numbers make runs slightly superior; they scored 54.1 percent of the time and resulted in turnovers 1.5 percent of the time, while passes got the ball into the end zone 50.1 percent of the time and resulted in turnovers 1.9 percent of the time. In a vacuum, the decision between running and passing on the 1-yard line is hardly indefensible, because both the risk and the reward are roughly similar.

The key phrase there, of course, is "in a vacuum." This wasn't a vacuum. This was the Seahawks and the Patriots, and while the size of the stage shouldn't matter, the matchups should. As I mentioned in my Super Bowl preview, this was a matchup specifically built for running the football with Lynch in short yardage. According to Football Outsiders, the Patriots were the worst team in the league in power-running situations and fifth-worst in terms of stuffing the opposition for no gain or a loss. Seattle was the second-best power running team and the sixth-best team at avoiding stuffs. If there was ever a matchup that called for a team to live and die on the back of its running game from the 1-yard line, this was it.

Regardless of any spin put on it, going for anything other then Lynch was bonkers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 09:13:09 AM
The logic of throwing the football seems to be that it would maximise the chances you'll get in the remaining time. But how many chances should any team need to get it forward by one yard?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 09:45:23 AM
Anyone see the story about the two Irish lads walking into the game for free?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 03, 2015, 09:53:53 AM
In a vacuum it is arguably the right thing to do. The chances of a fumble are as high an interception (both very unlikely). The chances of scoring are equally good with both run and pass (both quite high). The issue is whether it is the right thing to do with the personnel Seattle have (the league's best back) and the success they were having up to that point running the ball. On the 'it is not so crazy to throw the ball there' side of the ledger, Seattle did seem to get a very favourable look from the NE defense for throwing the ball. I believe NE would have sold out against the run had the lined up in a run formation. Should Seattle have run the ball anyway? Probably, but is it the worst play call ever? Not even close.

For my money AZ is right in that what Belichek did in letting the time run off the clock from 1:05 was stupid. But he got away with it because they won. Had Lockette caught the slant, we'd all be talking about Belichek's clock management instead.

edit: the one other factor i would add is that goal line running is as much or more about the two lines and "who wins the battle in the trenches" as it is about the running back. Tom Brady has a remarkable record from the 1yd line but noone would consider him all-time great running threat! When you look at the match up of Seattle offensive line vs Pats defensive line I don't think you can really say that it really favours Seattle in this situation. There line doesn't blast people off the ball like a great power O-line would.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Butler - with all the debate over the play call, the fact he made an unbelievable play to win the Super Bowl has been somewhat overshadowed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 03, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 09:45:23 AM
Anyone see the story about the two Irish lads walking into the game for free?!

Any links?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:22:37 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 03, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 09:45:23 AM
Anyone see the story about the two Irish lads walking into the game for free?!

Any links?

'Our game-plan was to be super confident' - Irish pair blag their way into Super Bowl and sit in $50k seats (http://www.independent.ie/sport/leftfield/our-gameplan-was-to-be-super-confident-irish-pair-blag-their-way-into-super-bowl-and-sit-in-50k-seats-30957675.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 09:53:53 AM
In a vacuum it is arguably the right thing to do. The chances of a fumble are as high an interception (both very unlikely). The chances of scoring are equally good with both run and pass (both quite high). The issue is whether it is the right thing to do with the personnel Seattle have (the league's best back) and the success they were having up to that point running the ball. On the 'it is not so crazy to throw the ball there' side of the ledger, Seattle did seem to get a very favourable look from the NE defense for throwing the ball. I believe NE would have sold out against the run had the lined up in a run formation. Should Seattle have run the ball anyway? Probably, but is it the worst play call ever? Not even close.

For my money AZ is right in that what Belichek did in letting the time run off the clock from 1:05 was stupid. But he got away with it because they won. Had Lockette caught the slant, we'd all be talking about Belichek's clock management instead.

edit: the one other factor i would add is that goal line running is as much or more about the two lines and "who wins the battle in the trenches" as it is about the running back. Tom Brady has a remarkable record from the 1yd line but noone would consider him all-time great running threat! When you look at the match up of Seattle offensive line vs Pats defensive line I don't think you can really say that it really favours Seattle in this situation. There line doesn't blast people off the ball like a great power O-line would.

A few good points there. (this thread is one of the best on the board for opinions without WUMs. Maybe it's because we're not as emotionally invested in the outcome, although I do get prickly at criticism of the Cards :) ).  Just to respond though...

I agree the chances of a fumble and interception are both unlikely, but I'd imagine an interception is slightly more likely given the condensed nature of a goalline situation. I do also agree that the chances of scoring are quite high from 1 yard out :), but the question to me boils down to what was the safest, high percentage play AT THAT MOMENT for the Seahawks in this particular game. The Seahawks hadn't had a negative rush all day from Lynch, so the line may not be a dominant run blocking unit, but Lynch himself takes that away because he is so powerful. The Patriots were on the back foot against him all day, and I think option 1 was Lynch to bang it in. (With a second play called to get set immediately if he was stopped).   I also believe NE would have sold out against the run if the Seahawks had lined up in a run formation. But that doesn't mean they would have stopped him for less than one yard. But if they did. If they lined up with 11 men in the box, you know what that begs for? Play action bootleg from Wilson. Cheery cheery bye bye. Tight End slips out to the side, Wilson rolls that way and either a pitch and catch, or Wilson strolls it in.

As soon as the Hawks lined up in that formation, the Patriots eyes must have widened, and that could well be why Belichick didn't call the time out. I still think he was mad not calling it immediately after the first run play when there was over a minute left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

Not at all. But the thing to me is a quick slant is one of those plays that just happens bang bang, there's no real alternative. Wilson is at his best when he is making plays happen, so if they wanted to take advantage of the PAtriots expecting a run, then a play where Wilson could choose what he wanted to do as the play unfolded was the thing to go for. Line up like a run, Wilson rolls out and decides on a TE pass, or keep it himself. There isn't an OC in the league that couldn't draw up a scoring play from there that wasn't a slant.

Now, having said all that, and absolutely convinced that the play call was wrong, you have to say it was wide open, the Patriot's guy just made a great play to close on the ball so quick. I think the receiver probably didn't go for the ball with the same intensity and the man who wanted it more won. The screenshot I took (below) looks like it's wide, wide, open and you'd answer 'TD' on a 'what happens next' question. The OC probably thought it was celebration time when he saw the formation.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/It%20was%20on.png)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

Agreed. Cris Collinsworth said as much live - if you got three goes to bang it in from a yard with Lynch and Wilson, you simply hold your hands up and say great job by the Patriots defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:39:09 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 10:37:08 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

Agreed. Cris Collinsworth said as much live - if you got three goes to bang it in from a yard with Lynch and Wilson, you simply hold your hands up and say great job by the Patriots defence.

Thanks for exposing my lack of original thought ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:49:37 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 03, 2015, 10:16:44 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Butler - with all the debate over the play call, the fact he made an unbelievable play to win the Super Bowl has been somewhat overshadowed.

Look, if you had one shot, one opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted, one moment
Would you capture it, or just let it slip? Yo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.

Pete Carroll :
"We sent in our personnel, they sent in their goal-line [unit]. It was not the right matchup for us to run the football, so on second down we throw the ball to really kind of waste that play. If we score, we do, if we don't, then we run it on third and fourth down."

:)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.

It's fair to say that if Butler had not performed the interception, which was a Hail Mary play if ever there was one, we wouldn't be asking the question I asked. But it's also fair to say that if Seattle had run the ball and literally come up short, no one would be asking the question I asked either. Having decided to throw the ball and been literally caught out, the questions are inevitable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.

Pete Carroll :
"We sent in our personnel, they sent in their goal-line [unit]. It was not the right matchup for us to run the football, so on second down we throw the ball to really kind of waste that play. If we score, we do, if we don't, then we run it on third and fourth down."

:)

I'm guessing he meant that he saw it as a free shot, like a cricket player having a proper thrash at a wide ball knowing that he can't be caught out. He seems to have forgotten that he could be stumped...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

Not at all. But the thing to me is a quick slant is one of those plays that just happens bang bang, there's no real alternative. Wilson is at his best when he is making plays happen, so if they wanted to take advantage of the PAtriots expecting a run, then a play where Wilson could choose what he wanted to do as the play unfolded was the thing to go for. Line up like a run, Wilson rolls out and decides on a TE pass, or keep it himself. There isn't an OC in the league that couldn't draw up a scoring play from there that wasn't a slant.

Now, having said all that, and absolutely convinced that the play call was wrong, you have to say it was wide open, the Patriot's guy just made a great play to close on the ball so quick. I think the receiver probably didn't go for the ball with the same intensity and the man who wanted it more won. The screenshot I took (below) looks like it's wide, wide, open and you'd answer 'TD' on a 'what happens next' question. The OC probably thought it was celebration time when he saw the formation.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/It%20was%20on.png)

I agree with you about the playcall of a slant and looking back at it in retrospect you can ask why they didn't try Wilson on a rollout with a pass/run option. After all that is their bread and butter and when they really needed to move the ball against the Packers in the championship game it was that game plan they went to. But I also think that when you look back retrospectively there is so much room for second guessing and third guessing these play calls. Would the Pats have been waiting/expecting the rollout? Who knows. The outcomes make these things look like fait accompli.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:57:56 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.

Pete Carroll :
"We sent in our personnel, they sent in their goal-line [unit]. It was not the right matchup for us to run the football, so on second down we throw the ball to really kind of waste that play. If we score, we do, if we don't, then we run it on third and fourth down."

:)

I'm guessing he meant that he saw it as a free shot, like a cricket player having a proper thrash at a wide ball knowing that he can't be caught out. He seems to have forgotten that he could be stumped...

Bingo. The 'waste a play' or shot to nothing would have been Wilson roll out and fire it into the stands if he didn't like what he saw. Throwing a ball into a populated area, in a compressed space, is not quite a shot to nothing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 03, 2015, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.

Pete Carroll :
"We sent in our personnel, they sent in their goal-line [unit]. It was not the right matchup for us to run the football, so on second down we throw the ball to really kind of waste that play. If we score, we do, if we don't, then we run it on third and fourth down."

:)

Oh Pete. That doesn't make much sense. I think what he is may be trying to say in a garbled manner is that they were playing the long game (thinking about 3rd and 4th down) which in itself is no bad thing. But the slant to Rocette had every chance of scoring and it might be the play you go to on 4th down (i remember the niners beating detroit a few years ago on a 4th down slant in the final minute).  The problem with Pete's strategy of course is that they never got another chance, but you really can't start legislating for turnovers as they are so uncommon and as likely to occur on a run or a pass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:09:48 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

Not at all. But the thing to me is a quick slant is one of those plays that just happens bang bang, there's no real alternative. Wilson is at his best when he is making plays happen, so if they wanted to take advantage of the PAtriots expecting a run, then a play where Wilson could choose what he wanted to do as the play unfolded was the thing to go for. Line up like a run, Wilson rolls out and decides on a TE pass, or keep it himself. There isn't an OC in the league that couldn't draw up a scoring play from there that wasn't a slant.

Now, having said all that, and absolutely convinced that the play call was wrong, you have to say it was wide open, the Patriot's guy just made a great play to close on the ball so quick. I think the receiver probably didn't go for the ball with the same intensity and the man who wanted it more won. The screenshot I took (below) looks like it's wide, wide, open and you'd answer 'TD' on a 'what happens next' question. The OC probably thought it was celebration time when he saw the formation.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/It%20was%20on.png)

I agree with you about the playcall of a slant and looking back at it in retrospect you can ask why they didn't try Wilson on a rollout with a pass/run option. After all that is their bread and butter and when they really needed to move the ball against the Packers in the championship game it was that game plan they went to. But I also think that when you look back retrospectively there is so much room for second guessing and third guessing these play calls. Would the Pats have been waiting/expecting the rollout? Who knows. The outcomes make these things look like fait accompli.

I disagree with passing at all. I just think that if the were hell bent on passing, for the reasons you've (probably correctly) identified, then the rollout and throw it away was surely the play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:12:25 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 11:06:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:51:28 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 10:48:04 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 10:29:43 AM
I suppose the question regarding Carroll's decision is this: had he chosen to give the ball to Lynch, and in two plays Lynch failed to get the ball into the endzone, would people have being saying that Seattle should have thrown the ball on the first of those plays? I find that hard to believe.

That's not quite the right question in my mind as what people say you should do and what is the right thing to do are often not quite the same. The issue is about maximising your chance of scoring and wasting a down when the game is on the line is never a smart thing to do.

Pete Carroll :
"We sent in our personnel, they sent in their goal-line [unit]. It was not the right matchup for us to run the football, so on second down we throw the ball to really kind of waste that play. If we score, we do, if we don't, then we run it on third and fourth down."

:)

Oh Pete. That doesn't make much sense. I think what he is may be trying to say in a garbled manner is that they were playing the long game (thinking about 3rd and 4th down) which in itself is no bad thing. But the slant to Rocette had every chance of scoring and it might be the play you go to on 4th down (i remember the niners beating detroit a few years ago on a 4th down slant in the final minute).  The problem with Pete's strategy of course is that they never got another chance, but you really can't start legislating for turnovers as they are so uncommon and as likely to occur on a run or a pass.

I know what he meant, I was just being a smart arse because you used the exact same phrase :)

I do think you are over thinking this a bit Clov, and I think he did too. You have probably the best running back in the game at the moment, who is running well, and who has proven all night that the first Patriot tackler is finding it hard to bring him down. You have 3 downs and a time out. Run the damn ball, or at least call a run play, and if you don't like the look audible to a bootleg option.

I just can't bring myself to make it any more complex than that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Bingo. The 'waste a play' or shot to nothing would have been Wilson roll out and fire it into the stands if he didn't like what he saw. Throwing a ball into a populated area, in a compressed space, is not quite a shot to nothing.

Shot to nothing. That's the term I was looking for, a regular feature in snooker. But you'd think several times about doing it at 17-17, 50-50 and only the colours remaining. Then again, you have the time to think about it in snooker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 03, 2015, 11:19:18 AM
I think when you're down to less than 30 seconds and you have the best defense in the league, the best RB in the league in these situations (arguable but certainly one of the best), an extremely mobile QB, the last thing you do is throw the football. It was simply a crazy play call. You have to back your guys to beat the other guys, especially when they are getting the better of them anyway. Maybe they stop Lynch once but not twice. Actually the bootleg suggested by AZ and others was the call on 2nd down because Wilson could have thrown the ball away and saved the timeout if it didn't work.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 03, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Bingo. The 'waste a play' or shot to nothing would have been Wilson roll out and fire it into the stands if he didn't like what he saw. Throwing a ball into a populated area, in a compressed space, is not quite a shot to nothing.

Shot to nothing. That's the term I was looking for, a regular feature in snooker. But you'd think several times about doing it at 17-17, 50-50 and only the colours remaining. Then again, you have the time to think about it in snooker.

But it is not really a shot to nothing in the snooker sense, or a hail mary. A shot to nothing implies low odds of success but low odds of catastrophe. Despite what Pete says the slant is a very high percentage play, it had every chance of success. The rollout 'throw it in to the stands if he is not wide open' option is the shot to nothing in this analogy. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:29:12 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Bingo. The 'waste a play' or shot to nothing would have been Wilson roll out and fire it into the stands if he didn't like what he saw. Throwing a ball into a populated area, in a compressed space, is not quite a shot to nothing.

Shot to nothing. That's the term I was looking for, a regular feature in snooker. But you'd think several times about doing it at 17-17, 50-50 and only the colours remaining. Then again, you have the time to think about it in snooker.

But it is not really a shot to nothing in the snooker sense, or a hail mary. A shot to nothing implies low odds of success but low odds of catastrophe. Despite what Pete says the slant is a very high percentage play, it had every chance of success. The rollout 'throw it in to the stands if he is not wide open' option is the shot to nothing in this analogy.

The shot to nothing implies that there's no real consequences if it doesn't come off. It doesn't mean a low chance of success necessarily. You've said that the rationale behind the pass was to preserve time. I can accept that as a valid consideration. I don't agree with it, but I can accept it. But if that were the direction you went, then the only play is the Wilson roll out. It gives you the option of Wilson keeping the ball, which was successful whenever he did it, and it also give the option of hitting a wide open TE or receiver if you do it on the back of play action. Finally (the shot to nothing aspect) you can fire it into the stands and save your time.

That's why I think it was a poor call, even if the pass can be argued.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Bingo. The 'waste a play' or shot to nothing would have been Wilson roll out and fire it into the stands if he didn't like what he saw. Throwing a ball into a populated area, in a compressed space, is not quite a shot to nothing.

Shot to nothing. That's the term I was looking for, a regular feature in snooker. But you'd think several times about doing it at 17-17, 50-50 and only the colours remaining. Then again, you have the time to think about it in snooker.

But it is not really a shot to nothing in the snooker sense, or a hail mary. A shot to nothing implies low odds of success but low odds of catastrophe. Despite what Pete says the slant is a very high percentage play, it had every chance of success. The rollout 'throw it in to the stands if he is not wide open' option is the shot to nothing in this analogy.

In the context Pete Carroll put it, he absolutely meant a shot to nothing. You say it had every chance of success, and it did. But the assessment of what counts as 'success' in a shot to nothing in snooker includes the high probability of the white ball going safe or for a snooker. You have practically no chance of giving the ball away, i.e. your opponent won't be able to score when they get back to the table. Pete Carroll's didn't factor in a rookie deciding that he wasn't going to go for the football with the intention of preventing completion or keeping the Seattle player catching it out of the endzone - he was going to intercept it or lose the game in the attempt. As gallsman hinted at, the talk of the blown play has concealed the brilliance of Malcolm Butler's play. Something we could all agree on, perhaps?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 03, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Quote from: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 11:00:31 AM
Bingo. The 'waste a play' or shot to nothing would have been Wilson roll out and fire it into the stands if he didn't like what he saw. Throwing a ball into a populated area, in a compressed space, is not quite a shot to nothing.

Shot to nothing. That's the term I was looking for, a regular feature in snooker. But you'd think several times about doing it at 17-17, 50-50 and only the colours remaining. Then again, you have the time to think about it in snooker.

But it is not really a shot to nothing in the snooker sense, or a hail mary. A shot to nothing implies low odds of success but low odds of catastrophe. Despite what Pete says the slant is a very high percentage play, it had every chance of success. The rollout 'throw it in to the stands if he is not wide open' option is the shot to nothing in this analogy.

In the context Pete Carroll put it, he absolutely meant a shot to nothing. You say it had every chance of success, and it did. But the assessment of what counts as 'success' in a shot to nothing in snooker includes the high probability of the white ball going safe or for a snooker. You have practically no chance of giving the ball away, i.e. your opponent won't be able to score when they get back to the table. Pete Carroll's didn't factor in a rookie deciding that he wasn't going to go for the football with the intention of preventing completion or keeping the Seattle player catching it out of the endzone - he was going to intercept it or lose the game in the attempt. As gallsman hinted at, the talk of the blown play has concealed the brilliance of Malcolm Butler's play. Something we could all agree on, perhaps?

Absolutely. That was part of my original point. In my opinion Seattle didn't so much lose this as that one guy made a fantastic play to win it. I think with time the Butler interception is the one thing that people will remember about this game and not the Seattle play calling at the death. I'm sure no one in Boston is talking about the final play call in any case.  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 03, 2015, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 12:06:34 PM
Absolutely. That was part of my original point. In my opinion Seattle didn't so much lose this as that one guy made a fantastic play to win it. I think with time the Butler interception is the one thing that people will remember about this game and not the Seattle play calling at the death. I'm sure no one in Boston is talking about the final play call in any case.  :)

The new Dave Roberts ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 03, 2015, 06:01:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 10:28:56 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 03, 2015, 09:53:53 AM
In a vacuum it is arguably the right thing to do. The chances of a fumble are as high an interception (both very unlikely). The chances of scoring are equally good with both run and pass (both quite high). The issue is whether it is the right thing to do with the personnel Seattle have (the league's best back) and the success they were having up to that point running the ball. On the 'it is not so crazy to throw the ball there' side of the ledger, Seattle did seem to get a very favourable look from the NE defense for throwing the ball. I believe NE would have sold out against the run had the lined up in a run formation. Should Seattle have run the ball anyway? Probably, but is it the worst play call ever? Not even close.

For my money AZ is right in that what Belichek did in letting the time run off the clock from 1:05 was stupid. But he got away with it because they won. Had Lockette caught the slant, we'd all be talking about Belichek's clock management instead.

edit: the one other factor i would add is that goal line running is as much or more about the two lines and "who wins the battle in the trenches" as it is about the running back. Tom Brady has a remarkable record from the 1yd line but noone would consider him all-time great running threat! When you look at the match up of Seattle offensive line vs Pats defensive line I don't think you can really say that it really favours Seattle in this situation. There line doesn't blast people off the ball like a great power O-line would.

A few good points there. (this thread is one of the best on the board for opinions without WUMs. Maybe it's because we're not as emotionally invested in the outcome, although I do get prickly at criticism of the Cards :) ).  Just to respond though...

I agree the chances of a fumble and interception are both unlikely, but I'd imagine an interception is slightly more likely given the condensed nature of a goalline situation. I do also agree that the chances of scoring are quite high from 1 yard out :), but the question to me boils down to what was the safest, high percentage play AT THAT MOMENT for the Seahawks in this particular game. The Seahawks hadn't had a negative rush all day from Lynch, so the line may not be a dominant run blocking unit, but Lynch himself takes that away because he is so powerful. The Patriots were on the back foot against him all day, and I think option 1 was Lynch to bang it in. (With a second play called to get set immediately if he was stopped).   I also believe NE would have sold out against the run if the Seahawks had lined up in a run formation. But that doesn't mean they would have stopped him for less than one yard. But if they did. If they lined up with 11 men in the box, you know what that begs for? Play action bootleg from Wilson. Cheery cheery bye bye. Tight End slips out to the side, Wilson rolls that way and either a pitch and catch, or Wilson strolls it in.

As soon as the Hawks lined up in that formation, the Patriots eyes must have widened, and that could well be why Belichick didn't call the time out. I still think he was mad not calling it immediately after the first run play when there was over a minute left.
thats exactly why he didn't call a timeout, he saw their formation, knew a pass was coming, and had all his guys jumps there routes. That's what separates him , and makes him the best coach the NFL has ever seen .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2015, 06:31:01 PM
Could be, but at least 10 secs went by before he saw their formation. That said I am willing to admit that he is a better coach than I  😃
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on February 03, 2015, 06:44:08 PM
Real good debate on here but ultimately it comes down to Carroll over thinking the situation and worrying about the ifs and buts of leaving too much, if he didn't get in etc etc. He had arguably the best rusher in the game - give it to him, take the lead and then worry about the clock!

Also the argument about not being able to get a 4th down off without the pass is flawed - Carroll can also ship blame for allowing too much time run off the clock between downs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
Read an interview with Butler and he said he had been beaten on that exact play during the week, against the scout team so he recognised the formation straight away.

He also said Wilson gave it away slightly when waiting for the snap, his head didn't move but his eyes kept looking at Lockette so even though that still shot posted above Lockette looks to be wide open Butler has already diagnosed the play and is breaking on the ball.

Long off season  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 03, 2015, 10:29:07 PM
f**k it, over the whole of the game the best team won, Seattle only got over Green Bay cause they messed up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 04, 2015, 12:49:02 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/sPP6EWl.png?1)

Perfect ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 04, 2015, 04:00:10 AM
One of the best for sure, but how do you weigh the accomplishments of coaches and players from different eras? Is Belichick a better coach than Lombardi or Shula and the like? Was Ferguson better than Busby or Shankly or Paisley?  Is Brady better than Montana or Elway or Marino?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 05:39:51 AM
The way I measure excellence is longevity of a career and being able to get back to the Super Bowl with not just the same team over 2-3 years but a number of times with different teams. Added to this the ability to make an ordinary player a game winner, that is how I believe you measure coaches against each other.

But you'll always get the loyal fan that wants to believe his team has the best of all time at one time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 08:56:01 AM
I'm sure Belichick had a reason for not calling the timeout, I don't think he just had a brain fart. However I think you may be giving him too much credit. For a start, he couldn't know they were going to throw until he saw the formation, and that was at least 10 seconds off the clock from the previous play. Secondly, as I outlined above, there was a fairly easy way for Seattle to run 3 plays with one timeout, even all runs if they wanted. Thirdly, they could have lined up in run formation, went play action and rolled Wilson out.

No, in my humble opinion Belichicks gamble was along the lines of, f**k this I'm not taking a TO and giving Pete time to think. Let's see if they can keep their cool here. When he saw the formation, I'd say he and his D knew they had a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 08:56:52 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 05:39:51 AM
The way I measure excellence is longevity of a career and being able to get back to the Super Bowl with not just the same team over 2-3 years but a number of times with different teams. Added to this the ability to make an ordinary player a game winner, that is how I believe you measure coaches against each other.

But you'll always get the loyal fan that wants to believe his team has the best of all time at one time.

Agree with all this, and adding the salary cap complications of this era makes his accomplishments even better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 04, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

The reason you call timeout at 1:06 if you are the Pats is that if Seattle scores on 2nd down (or 3rd down) it leaves you around a minute to tie the game. Once it is 2nd and goal from the 1yd line the odds of Seattle scoring are so high that if you're the Pats you have to play for another possession. In fact i think you can make the argument that the best thing for them to do would be to let Seattle score. In any case letting 40s drain of the clock does not strike me as the smart thing to do. He got away with it because his 5th string corner back made the play of his life. (Of course part of the genius of Belichek is that he had the nerve to bench his starter Arrington half way through the game and put an undrafted rookie in there in his place).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 09:56:29 AM
Letting them score when up by 4 would have been daft in my opinion. Make a stop and you win the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

The reason you call timeout at 1:06 if you are the Pats is that if Seattle scores on 2nd down (or 3rd down) it leaves you around a minute to tie the game. Once it is 2nd and goal from the 1yd line the odds of Seattle scoring are so high that if you're the Pats you have to play for another possession. In fact i think you can make the argument that the best thing for them to do would be to let Seattle score. In any case letting 40s drain of the clock does not strike me as the smart thing to do. He got away with it because his 5th string corner back made the play of his life. (Of course part of the genius of Belichek is that he had the nerve to bench his starter Arrington half way through the game and put an undrafted rookie in there in his place).

Wasn't it the Patriots and Giants where this happened before. Remember the Giants running back nearly falling down on the one to run the clock?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 10:03:57 AM
This is it. I knew there was something, but I couldn't remember the details. Uncanny that it was Belichick again. I wonder was this in his head?

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/the-super-bowl-bill-belichick-and-letting-your-opponent-score/ (https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/the-super-bowl-bill-belichick-and-letting-your-opponent-score/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 04, 2015, 10:08:50 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 10:01:17 AM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 09:00:34 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

The reason you call timeout at 1:06 if you are the Pats is that if Seattle scores on 2nd down (or 3rd down) it leaves you around a minute to tie the game. Once it is 2nd and goal from the 1yd line the odds of Seattle scoring are so high that if you're the Pats you have to play for another possession. In fact i think you can make the argument that the best thing for them to do would be to let Seattle score. In any case letting 40s drain of the clock does not strike me as the smart thing to do. He got away with it because his 5th string corner back made the play of his life. (Of course part of the genius of Belichek is that he had the nerve to bench his starter Arrington half way through the game and put an undrafted rookie in there in his place).

Wasn't it the Patriots and Giants where this happened before. Remember the Giants running back nearly falling down on the one to run the clock?

That's right, Belichek has form in that regard!
The difference that time compared to this, is that the Pats were only up by one or two points at the time. If my memory serves me right the Giants could have drained the clock to a few secs and then kicked the winning field goal. Up 4pts like they were this time it would be a much ballsier call as the seahawks needed a td. Still think it might have been the thing to do considering the ball was on the 1yd line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on February 04, 2015, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

Yet if the SS player had caught that ball then Carroll would have "outfoxed" him . Very thin margins here and ultimately imo anyway came down to exceptional defensive work from the NEP guy.

Can see why now how the term "Monday morning quarterback" got traction in the States.

Btw, I wonder if the SS quarterback is getting some heat over the affair or is the coach taking all the flak.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 10:37:54 AM
Against the Giants they were up by two. Giants could have wasted time and kicked a FG from PAT range to win it. Completely different complexion on it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 10:39:24 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 10:37:54 AM
Against the Giants they were up by two. Giants could have wasted time and kicked a FG from PAT range to win it. Completely different complexion on it.

True.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 10:42:31 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 04, 2015, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

Yet if the SS player had caught that ball then Carroll would have "outfoxed" him . Very thin margins here and ultimately imo anyway came down to exceptional defensive work from the NEP guy.

Can see why now how the term "Monday morning quarterback" got traction in the States.

Btw, I wonder if the SS quarterback is getting some heat over the affair or is the coach taking all the flak.

This is not purely MMQB really, because when the call was made I'd say there was a collective roar of 'What!!??'. I know I did at the time. MMQB is usually lads looking back with loads of time and trying to be clever. This was an instant reaction.

As regards Wilson, I don't think it was a bad throw as such. I think the DB did brilliantly, but if I was looking for a Seattle player to have a go at, it might be the WR who was out muscled for the ball. I don't think someone like Larry Fitzgerald would have been beaten for that ball in that situation, or if he was he would have made sure the DB couldn't catch it at least. The DB had brilliant closing speed in fairness though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 04, 2015, 10:58:19 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 10:42:31 AM
Quote from: Canalman on February 04, 2015, 10:17:12 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 01:53:29 AM
OK, lets go over this for anyone that doubts Belichick

Scenario 1 - At say 50 sec the Pats cal TO, Seattle run it on 2nd down and don't get in, Pats burn 2nd TO with 40 Sec on the clock. Seattle run it again and don't get in, NE are now out of timeouts with 30 odd seconds on the clock. Seattle let the clock run down to 3 seconds and call a TO with one play to go, 4th down. Now NE don't get the ball back at all.

Scenario 2 (as it happened) - Bold Bill lets the clock run down to 26 secs, now forcing Seattle to throw as they don't want to call TO if they don't get in on a 2nd down run and basically be left with trying to run two plays in 20 Sec, two run plays. So there was a possibility that they would run out of time on 4th down, causing much embarrassment to Pete.

Scenario 3 - If they got in on 2nd down then ~20 Sec on the clock his team would have a couple of shots  with two TO's left. If they didn't get in now he burns a TO stopping the clock at 20 sec, if they get in then he has 15 Sec and one TO left for Brady.  They have another shot at 3rd down and say they again don't get in Seattle burn a TO, or he burns a TO at 10 sec. He has now got 1 shot to stop them and win or Brady has one shot to win the other way if they do score. Either way he leaves his team with a shot

Only other Scenario was to let them score and leave themselves with 50 Sec and the ball, with a TO.

So he forced them into a throw on 2nd down, he knew they would throw and his players knew they would throw the ball. They had seen the formation before so had an idea what was coming so it as about jumping then

Yes he gambled but if he called the TO then he was beat. Like I said in an earlier post, he was calm all through this time while leaping Pete thought he had won the SB with that stupid smile on his face. Belichick is the greatest coach of all time.

Yet if the SS player had caught that ball then Carroll would have "outfoxed" him . Very thin margins here and ultimately imo anyway came down to exceptional defensive work from the NEP guy.

Can see why now how the term "Monday morning quarterback" got traction in the States.

Btw, I wonder if the SS quarterback is getting some heat over the affair or is the coach taking all the flak.

This is not purely MMQB really, because when the call was made I'd say there was a collective roar of 'What!!??'. I know I did at the time. MMQB is usually lads looking back with loads of time and trying to be clever. This was an instant reaction.

As regards Wilson, I don't think it was a bad throw as such. I think the DB did brilliantly, but if I was looking for a Seattle player to have a go at, it might be the WR who was out muscled for the ball. I don't think someone like Larry Fitzgerald would have been beaten for that ball in that situation, or if he was he would have made sure the DB couldn't catch it at least. The DB had brilliant closing speed in fairness though.

I agree! It was basically a 50/50 ball and the hungrier man got it. Fair play to Butler he didn't hold back and it came off for him. It was an easy ball to fumble as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 11:05:46 AM
Beaten to the ball and absolutely smashed off it by someone 20 odd pounds lighter than him. I think Wilson went with the play called and made a good throw - Lockette was open. Still think they should have run it down their throats three times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 04, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
Am not really a fan of the sport, and usually tune in for a few weeks only in Jan.  I get why the 'controversy' is about the last play, but I thought the stand-out aspect of the game was the sheer relentlessness of the Patriots two fourth quarter drives - impressed me anyhoo. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 04, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
Am not really a fan of the sport, and usually tune in for a few weeks only in Jan.  I get why the 'controversy' is about the last play, but I thought the stand-out aspect of the game was the sheer relentlessness of the Patriots two fourth quarter drives - impressed me anyhoo.

True, I don't think Brady has got as much credit as he should have, especially going 8 for 8 on final drive, although I'd have had Edelman as MVP. Their O line improved as well after Michael Bennett annihilated it for 3 quarters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 01:08:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 11:20:47 AM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 04, 2015, 11:14:30 AM
Am not really a fan of the sport, and usually tune in for a few weeks only in Jan.  I get why the 'controversy' is about the last play, but I thought the stand-out aspect of the game was the sheer relentlessness of the Patriots two fourth quarter drives - impressed me anyhoo.

True, I don't think Brady has got as much credit as he should have, especially going 8 for 8 on final drive, although I'd have had Edelman as MVP. Their O line improved as well after Michael Bennett annihilated it for 3 quarters.

Again agree with all of that. Have to say Brady really impressed me. He looked like he was 'gone' earlier on. Throwing off his back foot, looking scared of the Pass Rush, etc. I thought he was done. But he just had a couple of chats with himself on the sideline and came out like a gunfighter. I still think Montana is the best ever, but Brady is unbelievable as well.

Manning v Brady was the debate of the 00s. I think that can be put to bed now.

re. Montana, my favourite story about him is the 'Hey, isn't that John Candy?' story. Talk about cool under pressure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on February 04, 2015, 01:13:42 PM
Tom Brady can never compete with Joe Montana. Unless he changed his name to Astronaut Mike Dexter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 04, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Well, it's signing day for high schoolers declaring their future colleges.  Auburn is having a very big day, but at least QB Torrance Gibson decided to stick with Ohio State.  Bucks also managed to pick up a couple of players who were originally heading to Alabama.  So not a bad day for Urban Meyer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 04, 2015, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 04, 2015, 10:37:54 AM
Against the Giants they were up by two. Giants could have wasted time and kicked a FG from PAT range to win it. Completely different complexion on it.

Sure. But it really comes down to your judgement of the likelihood of particular outcomes at the time. Specifically how likely you think the Pats defense would be to hold against the seahawks and how likely it would be that the the Pats offense would get a field goal with a minute left. If you think the odds of them scoring a field goal are twice as good or more (a field goal only ties of course) than the odds of them holding out defensively then the rational thing to is let them score (particularly if you factor in also the small odds they have of scoring a td with a minute left). 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
It's a matter or opinion whether I'm giving Belichick too much credit or not. Simply put he had a decision to make, bet on his D to hold them out for last 30 Sec's or Bet on his Offense to run the ball down the field against the best D in the league with the best secondary, while a little banged up but still effective. Brady didn't connect with a long throw all game, the whole passing game was built around short passes picking up between 7 and 12 yards.
I still believe he knew they would have to throw with that time left and only 1 TO. These guys see a lot more that the rest of us, I'm sure of that and while he may not have seen the formation he would have see the personnel going on the field, or not going on, which would have given him a good idea of the next play.

Ultimately his team won, Pete Carroll lost and I'm sure Belichick cracked a smile al least with picking up number 4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 04, 2015, 05:41:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
It's a matter or opinion whether I'm giving Belichick too much credit or not. Simply put he had a decision to make, bet on his D to hold them out for last 30 Sec's or Bet on his Offense to run the ball down the field against the best D in the league with the best secondary, while a little banged up but still effective. Brady didn't connect with a long throw all game, the whole passing game was built around short passes picking up between 7 and 12 yards.
I still believe he knew they would have to throw with that time left and only 1 TO. These guys see a lot more that the rest of us, I'm sure of that and while he may not have seen the formation he would have see the personnel going on the field, or not going on, which would have given him a good idea of the next play.

Ultimately his team won, Pete Carroll lost and I'm sure Belichick cracked a smile al least with picking up number 4.

But he can hedge his bets by taking a time out at 2nd & 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 05:41:33 PM

But he can hedge his bets by taking a time out at 2nd & 1.

But that defeating the purpose. Now you allow Seattle to have three run plays with the ability to run out the clock if they get to 4th down. It stops them rushing to the line to play the 2nd down and I believe it stops them having to throw the ball which it your best opportunity of a Turnover.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 04, 2015, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 05:41:33 PM

But he can hedge his bets by taking a time out at 2nd & 1.

But that defeating the purpose. Now you allow Seattle to have three run plays with the ability to run out the clock if they get to 4th down. It stops them rushing to the line to play the 2nd down and I believe it stops them having to throw the ball which it your best opportunity of a Turnover.

So he is betting on his defense but only if he can guarantee that Seattle will throw it at least once. And the way to do that is to sacrafice any chance you have of your offense tying the game should Seattle score.
This strikes me as neither very plausible or very smart. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 05:41:33 PM

But he can hedge his bets by taking a time out at 2nd & 1.

But that defeating the purpose. Now you allow Seattle to have three run plays with the ability to run out the clock if they get to 4th down. It stops them rushing to the line to play the 2nd down and I believe it stops them having to throw the ball which it your best opportunity of a Turnover.

So he is betting on his defense but only if he can guarantee that Seattle will throw it at least once. And the way to do that is to sacrafice any chance you have of your offense tying the game should Seattle score.
This strikes me as neither very plausible or very smart.

Betting on his Defense - Paid out
Betting Seattle would throw - Paid out
Win the game - Paid out

My point about deciding to let the clock run forced them into a throw in order to stop the clock. If they tried on each down to run the ball then Pete ran the possibility of only getting 2 plays.

He couldn't "Hedge his bets", it was all in with your Defense or try turn it over to his Offense, and what happened - HE WON.

By the way, if Lockette had gone all in he would have caught it instead of being out muscled by a smaller man.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the Croke Park Classic is back next year - Boston College vs Georgia Tech
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
It's a matter or opinion whether I'm giving Belichick too much credit or not. Simply put he had a decision to make, bet on his D to hold them out for last 30 Sec's or Bet on his Offense to run the ball down the field against the best D in the league with the best secondary, while a little banged up but still effective. Brady didn't connect with a long throw all game, the whole passing game was built around short passes picking up between 7 and 12 yards.
I still believe he knew they would have to throw with that time left and only 1 TO. These guys see a lot more that the rest of us, I'm sure of that and while he may not have seen the formation he would have see the personnel going on the field, or not going on, which would have given him a good idea of the next play.

Ultimately his team won, Pete Carroll lost and I'm sure Belichick cracked a smile al least with picking up number 4.

You're rights.its  matter of opinion. And it worked out for him. And I'm delighted for Carroll, so it's all good 😄
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 04, 2015, 09:33:58 PM
College Recruiting Ranks as of 4:30 EST according to ESPN:

1.  Alabama
2.  Florida State
3.  Clemson
4.  USC
5.  Tennessee
6.  Ohio State
7.  Texas
8.  Auburn
9.  Georgia
10. LSU
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 09:39:47 PM
Great job by Texas. They might be on the way back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 04, 2015, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 09:39:47 PM
Great job by Texas. They might be on the way back.

Great to see, obviously I am biased but college football just isn't the same without a strong UT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 04, 2015, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on February 04, 2015, 09:43:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 04, 2015, 09:39:47 PM
Great job by Texas. They might be on the way back.

Great to see, obviously I am biased but college football just isn't the same without a strong UT

Yeah, it's much better. Far more heartening to see the likes of Baylor and TCU challenging.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 04, 2015, 10:26:15 PM
For obvious reasons I'll just agree to disagree
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 04, 2015, 10:29:27 PM
Did Texas actually get a QB, was reading something today about how their QB recruitment has been a mare...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 04, 2015, 11:02:26 PM
Well, heganboy, though they lost 4 star QB Zach Gentry, who flipped to Michigan, I believe they got 4 star QB Kai Locksley whom they lured away from FSU. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 05, 2015, 08:29:25 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 07:20:51 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on February 04, 2015, 06:51:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 04, 2015, 05:41:33 PM

But he can hedge his bets by taking a time out at 2nd & 1.

But that defeating the purpose. Now you allow Seattle to have three run plays with the ability to run out the clock if they get to 4th down. It stops them rushing to the line to play the 2nd down and I believe it stops them having to throw the ball which it your best opportunity of a Turnover.

So he is betting on his defense but only if he can guarantee that Seattle will throw it at least once. And the way to do that is to sacrafice any chance you have of your offense tying the game should Seattle score.
This strikes me as neither very plausible or very smart.

Betting on his Defense - Paid out
Betting Seattle would throw - Paid out
Win the game - Paid out

My point about deciding to let the clock run forced them into a throw in order to stop the clock. If they tried on each down to run the ball then Pete ran the possibility of only getting 2 plays.

He couldn't "Hedge his bets", it was all in with your Defense or try turn it over to his Offense, and what happened - HE WON.

By the way, if Lockette had gone all in he would have caught it instead of being out muscled by a smaller man.

Well i do agree that the Pats probably wanted the seahawks to throw on them. Belichek said as much post game. I also think that with less time on the clock the seahawks might be more inclined to pass than run.

However, the question is whether the Pats can really dictate this with their clock management? I've argued on here that the seahwaks decision to throw on 2nd down was at least defensible, but to say that it was mandated by the game situation is a bit of a stretch. They could have very easily run the ball as most commentators have suggested they should have. In any case the odds of the seahawks scoring with either a run or a pass from the 1yd line are so high that you really have to call timeout. The potential gains (giving your offense enough time to get the game tieing field goal) far out weigh the costs (allowing the seahwaks a 3 run strategy), in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 05, 2015, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the Croke Park Classic is back next year - Boston College vs Georgia Tech

Have we any chance of a Reg season NFL game or have Wembley got that tied up in a deal. If the NFL were looking into a London based franchise, it wouldn't hurt to court the Irish in. I heard a while back that the Rooney family was lobbying the idea but have seen nothing lately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 05, 2015, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 05, 2015, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 04, 2015, 08:09:55 PM
Looks like the Croke Park Classic is back next year - Boston College vs Georgia Tech

Have we any chance of a Reg season NFL game or have Wembley got that tied up in a deal. If the NFL were looking into a London based franchise, it wouldn't hurt to court the Irish in. I heard a while back that the Rooney family was lobbying the idea but have seen nothing lately.

Wembley has that stitched up. It's a pity really, because I'd like to go to one in Germany or Spain too. As for dublin, if we keep getting ncaa I'll be happy. Georgia Tech would be a respected program, and there's obviously an irish connection with BC. I was at the first game in Ireland which was BC versus Army in the old lansdowne road .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2015, 01:23:06 PM
Boston College aren't a bad team either, though they have fell off in the post-Matt Flynn years. Could be a good game but GT would be warm favourites. Good to have a conference game coming over, it'll matter even more.

Still waiting for an SEC team to make the visit..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 05, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
If it's an SEC team, it'll be an away game. Can you imagine telling the lads in Tuscaloosa, Auburn or Baton Rouge that they were going to give up a home game to play in Dublin? Maybe we could get Alabama to schedule a reasonable non conference game and play it in Ireland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 19, 2015, 04:00:33 PM
Good news out of Arizona today. Larry Fitzgerald has signed a new deal that will probably mean he retires as a Cardinal. He's obviously not the player he was, but i'm glad he's been able to restructure his contract to save the Cards a lot of cap space, and stay in Arizona. If Palmer is on track, as he appears to be, Larry might have a good season with Floyd and Brown next year.

Also, Pitchers and Catchers report today. Must be nearly spring!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 19, 2015, 08:20:42 PM
NBA trade deadline too. Love hasn't really worked out in Cleveland but last few weeks might convince he and the team to stick it out before he inevitably buggers off in the summer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 19, 2015, 08:55:34 PM
Seen a very good story about Tyrann Mathieu, AZ Safety AKA Honey Badger. Really glad he turned his life around after being kicked off the team at LSU. A good story about an NFL player for once.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2366898-combine-chronicles-tyrann-mathieu-on-running-away-from-honey-badger-in-2013

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 19, 2015, 10:59:07 PM
AZ, you're talking baseball?  It's -12 in Cleveland (i.e. -24 Celsius) and that's the actual temperature, not the wind chill factor.  Mind you, I have attended opening days on which it's snowed. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 20, 2015, 03:42:38 AM
77 (25C) and balmy here in Cali today. Can you send some snow or rain this direction?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 20, 2015, 09:05:20 AM
The NBA went mental last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 20, 2015, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 19, 2015, 10:59:07 PM
AZ, you're talking baseball?  It's -12 in Cleveland (i.e. -24 Celsius) and that's the actual temperature, not the wind chill factor.  Mind you, I have attended opening days on which it's snowed.

Yeah Baseball. That's why they all go to Arizona or Florida for Spring Training! Spring Training was a great time. You could just rock on up to the Cubs in Mesa, or the Giants in Scottsdale, or an array of others and just stroll on in , get a few hot dogs or whatever and watch the games. Felt like summer was on the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 04, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
Did not see that McCoy Alonso trade coming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 04, 2015, 07:35:13 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 04, 2015, 06:38:16 PM
Did not see that McCoy Alonso trade coming.

No-one did. You can see what both sides are at with it though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 04, 2015, 07:53:44 PM
I'd be mighty pissed if I were Shady McCoy though. A Penn lad, conducts himself well on and off the field and he gets shipped off from a contender to the frigid environs of Buffalo and a perennial also-ran.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on March 04, 2015, 08:03:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 04, 2015, 07:53:44 PM
I'd be mighty pissed if I were Shady McCoy though. A Penn lad, conducts himself well on and off the field and he gets shipped off from a contender to the frigid environs of Buffalo and a perennial also-ran.

How do you think John Evans feels?  ;D

Only joking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 08, 2015, 05:27:39 PM
Suh to sign for the Dolphins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 08, 2015, 11:47:17 PM
Randall Cobb signing for 4 years in Grenn Bay, huge for the packers. At 24 should be really hitting his prime over the next few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 08, 2015, 11:52:13 PM
This Chargers stadium thing is becoming a joke over here. It should be simple really. Build the f**king thing beside petco in downtown . You would be basically the Super Bowl every 4 years, NCAA championships in football, final 4's, the list could go and on. For somebody going on a once in a lifetime trip to watch their team in a super bowl , San Diego or New York, first week in February ??
This is SD though, and from what I've been listening to over the last month, there's a good chance they will be in LA for the 2016/17 season :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 09, 2015, 02:29:32 AM
Frank Gore to Eagles, or so ESPN reported.  Also, Maclin to KC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 09, 2015, 02:03:23 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 09, 2015, 02:29:32 AM
Frank Gore to Eagles, or so ESPN reported.  Also, Maclin to KC.

As a life time 49ers fan this breaks my heart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 09, 2015, 02:11:02 PM
Darnell Dockett going to the niners hurts the Cards, but I trust them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 09, 2015, 03:47:20 PM
Reports that Patrick Willis & Justin Smith are both retiring.
Really shocked by the Willis news though he has hinted that he has been playing through injury for a while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 09, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
Are the Eagles that much better than Buffalo? Not so sure myself. Bills have really improved, good defense. Losing Alonso obviously hurts them but McCoy with a chip on his shoulder.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 10, 2015, 03:54:22 AM
Still no QB though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 10, 2015, 03:56:47 AM
Julius Thomas to the Jags :o
Wtf!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 10, 2015, 03:58:18 AM
Frank Gore may not be heading east....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 10, 2015, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on March 10, 2015, 03:56:47 AM
Julius Thomas to the Jags :o
Wtf!!
Money talks!

Excited to see Suh at the Dolphins, should really improve our poor run Def and give the Def in general a lift. Other teams can't double up on Wake anymore too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 10, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
ESPN now reporting that Gore plans to sign with the Colts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 10, 2015, 07:38:17 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 10, 2015, 07:22:23 PM
ESPN now reporting that Gore plans to sign with the Colts

Chip Kelly is looking like a bit of a twat right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 10, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
Saints shopping Jimmy Graham, possibly to Seahawks.

Sam Bradford & Nick Fokes going in opposite directions in a trade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on March 10, 2015, 08:09:23 PM
Graham and 4th rd for center Unger and a 1st rd (31st pick)
As a saints fan I don't know what to make of that.
They had salary cap issues but this is a huge change
Are they building the offence round Ingram and cooks?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 10, 2015, 08:11:12 PM
First round pick is huge too. Graham dropped off a good bit last year towards the end. I like trades where you get first round picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on March 10, 2015, 08:15:52 PM
Lynch has more competition now when the hawks have the ball at the 1!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 10, 2015, 08:46:10 PM
Owen Daniels to Broncos, Torrey Smith to 49ers, Ngata to Lions---Ravens losing some big names
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 10, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
Ill take anyone as a starting qb over rg3 and cousins  ;)

Bradford to Eagles for Foles and a pick  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 11, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
Some mad stuff going on. Free Agency in the NFL is crazy. Jim White would have a meltdown, transfer deadline day? Fuggedaboutit.

This is the NFL.COM's list of the top 50 Free Agents and the latest on each.

1. DT Ndamukong Suh - Likely to Miami. (ex. Detroit)
2. CB Derrelle Revis - Signed with the Jets. (ex. New England)
3. TE Julius Thomas - Signed with the Jags. (ex. Denver)
4. RB Demarco Murray - Cards, Eagles, Jags, Raiders and Cowboys all still in the hunt. (ex. Cowboys)
5. G Mike Iupati  - Agreed with Cardinals. (ex. Niner)
6. DE Greg Hardy - No firm interest, still on suspension but will be available soon.
7. WR Percy Harvin - Interest from the Pats and the Bills. (ex. Jets)
8. CB Byron Maxwell - Signed with Eagles. (ex. Seahawks)
9. WR Torrey Smith - Signed with 49ers. (ex Ravens)
10. OLB Jason Worilds - Retired!! (ex. Steelers).

11. LB Pernell McPhee - Signed with Bears (ex. Ravens)
12. WR Jeremy Maclin - Signed with Chiefs (ex. Eagles)
13. DT Nick Fairley - Bengals are interested. (ex. Lions)
14. T Bryan Bulaga - Re-signed with Packers. (ex. Packers).
15. DT Jared Odrick - Looks set for the Jaguars. (ex. Dolphins)
16. DT TERRANCE KNIGHTON - Colts, Raiders, Washington and Bears are interested.  (ex. Denver)
17. C RODNEY HUDSON - Agreed with Raiders. (ex. Chiefs)
18. OLB DERRICK MORGAN - Atlanta lead the way here. (ex. Titans)
19. OLB BRIAN ORAKPO - Tennessee, Washington and Arizona are the leading contenders. (ex. Washington)
20. WR MICHAEL CRABTREE - No firm interest yet. (ex. Niners)

21  WR ANDRE JOHNSON - Looks set for Indianapolis. (ex. Texans)
22  RB RYAN MATHEWS - No firm interest yet. (ex Chargers)
23  RB C.J. SPILLER - Has interest from Philly, Dallas, Patriots and Jets. (ex. Bills).
24  TE CHARLES CLAY - Strong interest from Bills. (ex. Dolphins)
25  OLB JABAAL SHEARD - Visiting New England Patriots. (ex. Browns).
26  G ORLANDO FRANKLIN - Agreed with San Diego. (ex. Broncos)
27  CB CHRIS CULLIVER - No firm interest yet. (ex. 49ers).
28  FS RAHIM MOORE - No firm interest yet. (ex Broncos).
29  NT DAN WILLIAMS - Oakland are interested. (ex. Cardinals)
30  TE JORDAN CAMERON - Miami are interested. (ex. Browns).

31  RB FRANK GORE - Agreed with Indianapolis. (ex. 49ers)
32  DE B.J. RAJI - No firm interest yet. (ex. Packers)
33  OLB TRENT COLE - Agreed with Indianapolis. (ex. Eagles)
34  C STEFEN WISNIEWSKI - Will visit Tampa Bay. (ex. Raider)
35 CB DAVON HOUSE - Agreed with Jaguars. (ex. Packers)
36 CB TRAMON WILLIAMS - New Orleans are hosting a visit. (ex. Green Bay).
37 DT STEPHEN PAEA - Agreed with Redskins. (ex. Bears)
38 DT HENRY MELTON - No firm offers yet. (ex. Cowboys)
39 MLB BRANDON SPIKES - No firm interest yet. (ex. Bills)
40 CB ANTONIO CROMARTIE - Dallas and the Jets are interested. (ex. Arizona)

41 OLB SEAN WEATHERSPOON - Agreed with Arizona. (ex. Falcons).
42 WR CECIL SHORTS - No firm interest yet. (ex. Jaguars)
43 RB SHANE VEREEN - Agreed with Giants. (ex. Patriots)
44 SS ANTREL ROLLE - Bears are interested. (ex. Giants).
45 MLB ROLANDO MCCLAIN - No firm interest. (ex. Cowboys).
46 CB PERRISH COX - Visiting Washington Redskins. (ex. Niner)
47 DT VINCE WILFORK - No firm Interest. (ex. Patriots).
48 G CLINT BOLING - Agreed to re-sign with the Bengals. (ex. Bengals).
49 ILB CURTIS LOFTON - No firm interest yet. (ex. New Orleans).
50 RB JUSTIN FORSETT - Interest from Washington, New Orleans and Baltimore. (ex. Ravens.


A few other notables.
61 OLB DWIGHT FREENEY - No firm interest.
64 RB REGGIE BUSH - Interest from New England, New Orleans and San Francisco.
67 T JAKE LONG - No firm interest.
69 TE JERMAINE GRESHAM - visiting Raiders.
72 WR HAKEEM NICKS - no firm interest.
73 SS TYVON BRANCH - Signed with Chiefs.
75 RB STEVAN RIDLEY - No firm interest.
77 RB ROY HELU - Agreed with Raiders
78 RB AHMAD BRADSHAW - No firm interest.
82 CB CHARLES TILLMAN - No firm interest
83 CB BRANDON BROWNER - No firm interest.
85 TE ROB HOUSLER - No firm interest.
86 DT C.J. MOSLEY - No firm interest.
88 RB PIERRE THOMAS - interest from Baltimore.
93 WR HARRY DOUGLAS - Signed with Tennessee.
99 RB KNOWSHON MORENO - No firm interest
101 QB MICHAEL VICK - No firm Interest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on March 11, 2015, 01:16:10 PM
Id add Lance Briggs as another notable free agent. Hes 34 years old though so may not get another deal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 11, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
Jake Locker and Jason Worilds retiring at 26 and 27. Extremely unexpected as surely both would have had offers elsewhere?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 11, 2015, 01:42:09 PM
I think Jake Locker is beat up. It's an awful pity for a young lad. He probably missed out on the big contract as well, as he came out in 2011, and I think the more restrained Rookie deals were in at that stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 11, 2015, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 11, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
Jake Locker and Jason Worilds retiring at 26 and 27. Extremely unexpected as surely both would have had offers elsewhere?

Read that Worilds would command $7-8m a year, obviously NFL would be a hard game if your heart wasn't in it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 11, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
Can the Texans be legitimate contenders now with the addition of AJ and Frank Gore? The free agent maneuvering and player trading/draft pick trading is something to behold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 11, 2015, 07:54:41 PM
The colts you mean? Gore will help, and Johnson is a step up on Wayne at this stage of their careers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 11, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Sorry yes the colts.
They looked good all season and fell when it counted most but adding AJ and Gore should bolster an already solid team...?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2015, 11:25:44 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on March 11, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Sorry yes the colts.
They looked good all season and fell when it counted most but adding AJ and Gore should bolster an already solid team...?

I think it's definitely good help but you'd always have to be wary of older guys. Gore will be what they wanted Trent Richardson to be and as AZ says AJ should be a step up on the current Reggie Wayne.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 12, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
When you have someone like Luck, it's important to have a viable threat at least on the ground. Gore won't (I don't think) be a thousand yard rusher again, but if he got 700-750 he'd be great value for 4million per. 750 might be enough to at least make the opposition respect the run and open things up a bit for Luck, especially in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2015, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 12, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
When you have someone like Luck, it's important to have a viable threat at least on the ground. Gore won't (I don't think) be a thousand yard rusher again, but if he got 700-750 he'd be great value for 4million per. 750 might be enough to at least make the opposition respect the run and open things up a bit for Luck, especially in the playoffs.

They'll probably have Bradshaw and/or Herron as well so gore won't have to do all the heavy lifting. Trent Richardson was just so awful teams didn't have to respect the run much against Indy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 12, 2015, 11:31:32 AM
Bradshaw is a free agent (I think).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 12, 2015, 12:54:29 PM
I'd be worried about Gore and to a lesser extent Johnson, given their age. I can see what their thinking is, Luck will be due a huge contract soon that will eat a ton of cap space so lets roll the dice on a couple of moderately high priced veteran free agents to see if we can win it all now. Just not sure if Gore has all that much left - and i say that as a huge fan of FG. On the other hand i've said the same thing of him at the start of every season for the last few years and he still keeps delivering.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 12, 2015, 05:50:16 PM
Be interesting to see how De Marco Murray goes with the Eagles next year, because he had such a good year but a heavy load teams didn't seem as interested.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on March 12, 2015, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 12, 2015, 05:50:16 PM
Be interesting to see how De Marco Murray goes with the Eagles next year, because he had such a good year but a heavy load teams didn't seem as interested.

Great back, terrible hands though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2015, 09:47:11 PM
The Bills have got Percy Harvin. My God, if the Bills had a good QB they'd be Super Bowl contenders - Shady McCoy, Watkins and Harvin, maybe the most dynamic pair of receivers in football right now, and that defence with Rex Ryan at HC?

Rex is certainly winning the off-season this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2015, 02:23:21 AM
You are joking at that claim about Harvin and Watkins, right?

They aren't even the best pair of receivers in New York.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 14, 2015, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2015, 02:23:21 AM
You are joking at that claim about Harvin and Watkins, right?

They aren't even the best pair of receivers in New York.

Watkins is on Odell-Beckham's level and had a very good rookie season too, all with EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton. Harvin has question marks about his character but in terms of talent he's one of the best in the league. If it works out in Buffalo him and Watkins will be a fantastic pairing. Interesting that Rex coaching Harvin last year and thought enough of him to bring him to Buffalo with him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 16, 2015, 03:40:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 12, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
When you have someone like Luck, it's important to have a viable threat at least on the ground. Gore won't (I don't think) be a thousand yard rusher again, but if he got 700-750 he'd be great value for 4million per. 750 might be enough to at least make the opposition respect the run and open things up a bit for Luck, especially in the playoffs.

Gore has good hands out of the backfield so he will catch around 50 passes for 400-600 yards and rush for about 1000 yards. The Colts now have a chance to beat he Pats in the AFC Championship if they beef up their defensive secondary.

The Tampa Bay Bucs are really making improvements through free agency but not enough yet to get them all the way, Seattle signing Graham just put them back in the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 16, 2015, 03:47:27 AM
Watch the NFL draft for a kid named Tevin Coleman RB from Indiana University. I have been watching this kid play since he was 10 years old when he played with my nephew on the pop warner and high school teams, he really is a unique talent that is ranked as the fourth best RB in the nation. Ask Oraisteach what he did to his Ohio State team something like 230 yards and 3 touchdowns at their stadium when everyone knew he was getting the ball.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 16, 2015, 05:23:24 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2015, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2015, 02:23:21 AM
You are joking at that claim about Harvin and Watkins, right?

They aren't even the best pair of receivers in New York.

Watkins is on Odell-Beckham's level and had a very good rookie season too, all with EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton. Harvin has question marks about his character but in terms of talent he's one of the best in the league. If it works out in Buffalo him and Watkins will be a fantastic pairing. Interesting that Rex coaching Harvin last year and thought enough of him to bring him to Buffalo with him.
how can you say Watkins is on Beckhams level?
Watkins 65 catches on 128 targets for 982 and 6 scores
OBJ 91 catches on 132 targets for 1305 and 12 scores.
Watkins had a decent rookie campaign , but he was held to under 30 yards in 6 games! OBJ had ONE game under 90!!!
Let's not get carried away? Harvin is in the league 7 seasons and has ZERO 1000 yard years? He hasn't played more than 8 games in 4 years??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 16, 2015, 08:17:50 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on March 16, 2015, 05:23:24 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2015, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2015, 02:23:21 AM
You are joking at that claim about Harvin and Watkins, right?

They aren't even the best pair of receivers in New York.

Watkins is on Odell-Beckham's level and had a very good rookie season too, all with EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton. Harvin has question marks about his character but in terms of talent he's one of the best in the league. If it works out in Buffalo him and Watkins will be a fantastic pairing. Interesting that Rex coaching Harvin last year and thought enough of him to bring him to Buffalo with him.
how can you say Watkins is on Beckhams level?
Watkins 65 catches on 128 targets for 982 and 6 scores
OBJ 91 catches on 132 targets for 1305 and 12 scores.
Watkins had a decent rookie campaign , but he was held to under 30 yards in 6 games! OBJ had ONE game under 90!!!
Let's not get carried away? Harvin is in the league 7 seasons and has ZERO 1000 yard years? He hasn't played more than 8 games in 4 years??

Not that it changes the argument but with Harvin you do get return yards, jet sweeps etc to top up his poor receiving stats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 16, 2015, 02:38:36 PM
Ni doubt Gallsman, he is a talented individual. But through 7 years he has flattered to deceive , this is now his 4 team in 4 years :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 16, 2015, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 16, 2015, 03:40:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 12, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
When you have someone like Luck, it's important to have a viable threat at least on the ground. Gore won't (I don't think) be a thousand yard rusher again, but if he got 700-750 he'd be great value for 4million per. 750 might be enough to at least make the opposition respect the run and open things up a bit for Luck, especially in the playoffs.

Gore has good hands out of the backfield so he will catch around 50 passes for 400-600 yards and rush for about 1000 yards. The Colts now have a chance to beat he Pats in the AFC Championship if they beef up their defensive secondary.

The Tampa Bay Bucs are really making improvements through free agency but not enough yet to get them all the way, Seattle signing Graham just put them back in the Super Bowl.

I'll be interested to see how Gore does in Indy. He was a very reliable as a receiver for many years in SF but the last couple of seasons his receiving stats have fallen to the floor. If he does bounce back with the kind of receiving production you suggest then that won't reflect well on Kaepernick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 16, 2015, 09:59:06 PM
Anyone watching March madness? Kentucky are fairly rolling this year. Notre Dame won the ACC beating duke and unc in a row, not bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 17, 2015, 08:28:52 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 16, 2015, 09:59:06 PM
Anyone watching March madness? Kentucky are fairly rolling this year. Notre Dame won the ACC beating duke and unc in a row, not bad.

Kentucky *should* win it all. Ridiculous team, as they are year after year. The talent Calipari cab recruit year after year is second to none. Anthony Davis was a one and fine UK grad who won everything there was to in college in 2012 and is already one of the best players in the league. Even in his short career to date, he's improved dramatically by reworking his jump shot.

Julius Randle, another UK grad who is currently sitting out his rookie NBA season with injury is the Lakers big young how for once Kobe finally buggers off and stops sabotaging them.

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the buildup to the draft as the one and dive system is increasingly controversial. The player's association wants it scrapped while the commissioner and owners want to increase it to at least two and done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2015, 08:51:12 AM
Bit of a shock that Niners rookie linebacker Chris Borland has retired due to fears of concussion. He was brilliant when stepping in for Patrick Willis last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on March 17, 2015, 09:14:02 AM
Sorry to hear that. He had some amount of fantasy pts down the stretch. Averaging 15pts a game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2015, 09:25:06 AM
Quote from: Rossie11 on March 17, 2015, 09:14:02 AM
Sorry to hear that. He had some amount of fantasy pts down the stretch. Averaging 15pts a game

Yeah I picked him up as a free agent  :)

Takes down guts to do what he has done
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 17, 2015, 08:54:49 PM
What Borland has done is almost undeniably correct from a health standpoint but I don't think I would make the same decision in the same position. He is probably right though and I would be wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 17, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 17, 2015, 08:54:49 PM
What Borland has done is almost undeniably correct from a health standpoint but I don't think I would make the same decision in the same position. He is probably right though and I would be wrong.

Easy to say that when you think of the millions but you might think differently if your body had been bashed to pieces for the previous ten years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 17, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
He's just out of rookie though. He hasn't been bashed around for 10 years. College is nowhere near the NFL for that, even in the Big 10. It reads like he's afraid of what might happen him, as opposed to nervous about what has already happened him. Fair play to him if he feels he can turn down the money, he's obviously not prepared to gamble his future health..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 06:28:55 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 17, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
He's just out of rookie though. He hasn't been bashed around for 10 years. College is nowhere near the NFL for that, even in the Big 10. It reads like he's afraid of what might happen him, as opposed to nervous about what has already happened him. Fair play to him if he feels he can turn down the money, he's obviously not prepared to gamble his future health..

He's 24. From the moment he enters high school he starts getting bashed around. It's all relative to body size - there'll always be someone bigger and meaner to knock you about at all levels.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
It is relative, but he was a scholarship recruit and a pro prospect at Wisconsin. It's fair to say he was doing most of the punishing at those levels.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 08:50:31 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 08:36:22 AM
It is relative, but he was a scholarship recruit and a pro prospect at Wisconsin. It's fair to say he was doing most of the punishing at those levels.

Even so, that has an incredibly punishing impact on your body. Lol at the hits someone like Kam Chancellor puts in - he's not going to get away scott free. Like BOD in rugby.

He's done his research, has had two confirmed concussions and likely a third. If he's "afraid" of what might happen then that's something he should be lauded for in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:25:31 AM
I'm not saying he shouldn't, sorry if it sounded like I was criticising him. I'm saying fair play to him if he feels it's not worth the risk of jeopardising his health. If he has had 3 concussions already, and is a linebacker, the chances are he would pick up at least a few more before he reached normal retirement age.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:30:17 AM
One of his concussions was playing soccer in 8th grade. Another was in high school football as a sophomore. But the chances of him getting more concussions where every week you are hammering against lads that are just as big, or bigger, and just as tough, or tougher, is obviously greater. It's an amazing decision for a rookie to make though, which is why I said fair play. This is not a lad with $10m in the bank.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)

Im up for it!! Anyone catch the Old miss game? I much prefer college ball to the NBA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 18, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
Inside Linebacker is also a punishing position to play, usually the highest tackle count for a player, you are either meeting a RB coming at you full pelt or trying to shedd off a much bigger O-lineman that is out in front blocking.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 11:26:30 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)

Im up for it!! Anyone catch the Old miss game? I much prefer college ball to the NBA

Work away so. That's an open group...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)

Im up for it!! Anyone catch the Old miss game? I much prefer college ball to the NBA

Can't agree with that! NBA far better in terms of both quality and fun!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
I prefer College Ball myself, although to be fair I just like the conference and March Madness tournaments.

I find the NBA a bit boring. Up/Down/Up/Down, no defense, and the game only comes to life in the last 10 minutes or so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:22:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
I prefer College Ball myself, although to be fair I just like the conference and March Madness tournaments.

I find the NBA a bit boring. Up/Down/Up/Down, no defense, and the game only comes to life in the last 10 minutes or so.

Ah no, the no defense thing is a myth. There are some great players who are atrocious defensively (most notably James Harden) but the majority of all the top players, and teams, are excellent in both directions.

I do like March Madness myself though. Not as fussed on the conference championships.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
I prefer College Ball myself, although to be fair I just like the conference and March Madness tournaments.

I find the NBA a bit boring. Up/Down/Up/Down, no defense, and the game only comes to life in the last 10 minutes or so.
Quote from: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)



Im up for it!! Anyone catch the Old miss game? I much prefer college ball to the NBA

Can't agree with that! NBA far better in terms of both quality and fun!

For a man that likes Baseball i find Basketball boring (i know), too much scoring i think and tbh any game i fancy watching i tune in for last 5/10 mins at most.

Bracket filled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
I prefer College Ball myself, although to be fair I just like the conference and March Madness tournaments.

I find the NBA a bit boring. Up/Down/Up/Down, no defense, and the game only comes to life in the last 10 minutes or so.
Quote from: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)



Im up for it!! Anyone catch the Old miss game? I much prefer college ball to the NBA

Can't agree with that! NBA far better in terms of both quality and fun!

For a man that likes Baseball i find Basketball boring (i know), too much scoring i think and tbh any game i fancy watching i tune in for last 5/10 mins at most.

Bracket filled.

I can sympathise with that I guess. I like the NBA in general because of the athleticism and "skill" and "flair" compared to the other sports but accept that there are a lot of dead games out there. Come playoff time though it gets fantastic! Watch out for the first round in the West where a (finally) fully healthy #8 OKC should have every chance of taking down #1 Golden State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 18, 2015, 11:14:57 PM
The NBA has become a joke. Too many teams making the playoffs. 60% of the teams make the playoffs out of 30 teams, and that's after a nearly 80 game regular season . It really is about money, lining the owners pockets etc. Of the 16 teams, probably 4/5 maybe have any realistic change of winning it. Compare to the NFL were less teams make the playoffs , with more teams and less games. Also, most years you make some sort of case for maybe 7/8 of the NFL teams, the giants, packers and ravens to name a few in recent times. However,unfortunately the NFL will soon follow suit, and greed will prevail...
Bracket is filled out (4 of them) . Very hard to look past the athleticism and length of big blue. I took Wisonsin in one bracket beating KU in the final 4 and beating Michigan St in the final. All my others I have Kentucky beating Duke for it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on March 18, 2015, 11:51:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 01:07:25 PM
I prefer College Ball myself, although to be fair I just like the conference and March Madness tournaments.

I find the NBA a bit boring. Up/Down/Up/Down, no defense, and the game only comes to life in the last 10 minutes or so.
Quote from: gallsman on March 18, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on March 18, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 18, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Anyone interested in doing a bracket for March Madness?

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283 (http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/2015/en/group?groupID=941283)



Im up for it!! Anyone catch the Old miss game? I much prefer college ball to the NBA

Can't agree with that! NBA far better in terms of both quality and fun!

For a man that likes Baseball i find Basketball boring (i know), too much scoring i think and tbh any game i fancy watching i tune in for last 5/10 mins at most.

Bracket filled.

I can sympathise with that I guess. I like the NBA in general because of the athleticism and "skill" and "flair" compared to the other sports but accept that there are a lot of dead games out there. Come playoff time though it gets fantastic! Watch out for the first round in the West where a (finally) fully healthy #8 OKC should have every chance of taking down #1 Golden State.

Ibaka is out for for 4-6 weeks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2015, 09:22:34 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on March 18, 2015, 11:14:57 PM
The NBA has become a joke. Too many teams making the playoffs. 60% of the teams make the playoffs out of 30 teams, and that's after a nearly 80 game regular season . It really is about money, lining the owners pockets etc. Of the 16 teams, probably 4/5 maybe have any realistic change of winning it. Compare to the NFL were less teams make the playoffs , with more teams and less games. Also, most years you make some sort of case for maybe 7/8 of the NFL teams, the giants, packers and ravens to name a few in recent times. However,unfortunately the NFL will soon follow suit, and greed will prevail...
Bracket is filled out (4 of them) . Very hard to look past the athleticism and length of big blue. I took Wisonsin in one bracket beating KU in the final 4 and beating Michigan St in the final. All my others I have Kentucky beating Duke for it all.

I've just done the one here, and I have Duke upsetting Kentucky in the final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 19, 2015, 06:41:16 PM
Notre Dame run close in 1st game, more games like that will do
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 05, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
Wisconsin v Duke for it all, Kentucky just couldn't get there, so hard to go a whole season undefeated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 05, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 05, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
Wisconsin v Duke for it all, Kentucky just couldn't get there, so hard to go a whole season undefeated.

They looked a bit shaky throughout the tournament and just scraped past ND. Wisconsin are a bigger, better version of ND so was always going to be tough. Sam Dekker has made himself a lot of money with his performances.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 06, 2015, 06:34:23 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 05, 2015, 02:57:23 PM
Wisconsin v Duke for it all, Kentucky just couldn't get there, so hard to go a whole season undefeated.


If Bucky wins tonight I win two grand, if they lose I win a grand. I had picked the badgers and backed them when I heard the juniors were coming back.

Kentucky players,  most of them were classless idiots, they refused to shake hands with badger players and one of them even said " f**k that nigger" in reference to the badgers man, Frank Kaminski, a huge white dude.

Their coach is a cheating dirtbag and I for one am delighted they are 38 and done!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 07, 2015, 02:11:08 AM
On Wisconsin!  Bucky is as close to Buckeye as I can get.  C'mon BIG, make Duke puke.  You ousted that Calipari creep, now bounce Kfhtvgjrxbybnv-shefski
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: theticklemister on April 07, 2015, 05:55:19 AM
Just watched second half there. Good game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 15, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
QuoteAaron Hernandez guilty of first degree murder.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 15, 2015, 03:27:17 PM
Beat me to it Gab. Guilty of all charges. Life without parole.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 16, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?

That was my understanding of it. I don't think there's much doubt about it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 16, 2015, 03:33:30 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 16, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?

That was my understanding of it. I don't think there's much doubt about it.

Towards the end of the trial he actually admitted being at the scene of the murder but that one of his friends that pulled the trigger. There doesent seem to be much doubt about it alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on April 16, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?
no uproar about it - the man committed the crime - he is guilty and has thrown his life and talent away - people are more concerned about their taxes (which got filed yesterday) and the presidential candidates...the Hockey playoffs and the summer coming
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on April 16, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 16, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?
no uproar about it - the man committed the crime - he is guilty and has thrown his life and talent away - people are more concerned about their taxes (which got filed yesterday) and the presidential candidates...the Hockey playoffs and the summer coming
And the NBA playoffs which are about to start. Lot of interest in the Bay Area after the Dubs had a superb season. 1st time since the mid 70's that they have a genuine shot and a MVP candidate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 17, 2015, 07:20:07 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on April 16, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on April 16, 2015, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?
no uproar about it - the man committed the crime - he is guilty and has thrown his life and talent away - people are more concerned about their taxes (which got filed yesterday) and the presidential candidates...the Hockey playoffs and the summer coming
And the NBA playoffs which are about to start. Lot of interest in the Bay Area after the Dubs had a superb season. 1st time since the mid 70's that they have a genuine shot and a MVP candidate.

Of the only other nine teams who won 67 regular season games, seven won it all. GSW have been a mile ahead of everyone else over the course of the season and Curry is genuinely a threat from anywhere on offence. San Antonio, as always, have ratcheted up the pace since the break and might be the only team who could best them over seven but Wednesday's loss saw them drop from #2 in the West to #6 and a tricky first round outing with the Clippers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 17, 2015, 10:52:56 PM
My wish: that the Cavs make it to the final and that the Western Conference teams beat the living delights out of each other and have too little gas left to endure a 7-game series against Cleveland, but Cleveland sporting history . . . . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 17, 2015, 11:01:58 PM
Really hoping the Warriors can do it. They have been head and shoulders above everyone this season. The record is even better considering they're in the west. Spurs have picked it up and can see them being a major threat to the Warriors chances. The whole team is a joy to watch when on song, esepecily curry. Some of the things he does are out of this world. Loved him putting Chris Paul on his ass in their recent game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 17, 2015, 11:30:01 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 17, 2015, 11:01:58 PM
Really hoping the Warriors can do it. They have been head and shoulders above everyone this season. The record is even better considering they're in the west. Spurs have picked it up and can see them being a major threat to the Warriors chances. The whole team is a joy to watch when on song, esepecily curry. Some of the things he does are out of this world. Loved him putting Chris Paul on his ass in their recent game

I think Warriors, Cavs and Spurs are only trans with a shot. Memphis looked good initially but have fallen off a cliff recently. The spurs having a healthy Kawhi Leonard back could be the crucial difference maker. He's been sensational the last couple of months and when he's on song, he can guard anyone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 18, 2015, 07:36:16 PM
Watching the Ohio State spring game, and it appears to be a full house.  100,000 people at an intra-squad practice game.  Wow.

Official attendance now listed as 99,391
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 19, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
Cavs beat Celtics 113-100 in Game 1.  Cavs were dismal in the first half, played no defense, and fell behind by 8.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2015, 11:26:53 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 19, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
Cavs beat Celtics 113-100 in Game 1.  Cavs were dismal in the first half, played no defense, and fell behind by 8.

I guess the thing is that against the Celtics, they don't have to be. Boston are pretty much in the post season by accident having traded the Ghost of Rondo and Jeff Green. Of all teams in the East, only the Hawks, Cavs and Bulls would get near the playoffs in the West.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 12:03:24 PM
Tim Tebow!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 20, 2015, 01:39:49 PM
Can Chip Kelly find some use for him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 20, 2015, 01:47:36 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: mikasas on April 21, 2015, 11:04:36 AM
As someone who would keep a close enough eye on the Eagles, I cannot believe what Chip Kelly has been at this off season. Could prove to be a very sorry tale after two quite strong years which I thought they would build on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 21, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
oh I dunno- auld chip
Not as slow as he walks easy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 21, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
Steelers @ Pats to start the NFL season

Bears @ Packers on Thanksgiving night - Favre's jersey is retired that night

Cowboys/Giants is the first Sunday nighter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 21, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 21, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
Steelers @ Pats to start the NFL season

Bears @ Packers on Thanksgiving night - Favre's jersey is retired that night

Cowboys/Giants is the first Sunday nighter

I heard it might change its mind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 22, 2015, 02:39:10 AM
Cavs beat the Celtics 99-91 in Game 2. Now up 2-0 in the series.  Win all the sweeter after a condescending article that appeared in the Boston Globe by Dan Shaughnessy, one that laid into the city of Cleveland. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 22, 2015, 06:19:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 21, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 21, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
Steelers @ Pats to start the NFL season

Bears @ Packers on Thanksgiving night - Favre's jersey is retired that night

Cowboys/Giants is the first Sunday nighter

I heard it might change its mind.

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cuconnacht on April 22, 2015, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 16, 2015, 03:21:31 PM
Quote from: mikasas on April 16, 2015, 02:11:16 PM
I'm sure there was uproar about this in the States, but from reading in-between the lines over here, was the case not a nailed on cert that he would be found guilty?

That was my understanding of it. I don't think there's much doubt about it.

Thought id fire this out for people not in the know,Roscommon lad back from Boston lastnite was telling us,we thought he was making it up;a multi million dollar pro footballer,24yo knee deep in murder,double murder and  five attempted murders in 3 states
Former Patriots star Aaron Hernandez found guilty of first-degree murder


Did the jurors convict Aaron Hernandez without believing he pulled the trigger?

On SI Now, Sports Illustrated legal analyst Michael McCann explains why the jury convicted Aaron Hernandez even if they didn't believe he actually shot Odin Lloyd himself.


On Wednesday, after six days of deliberation, jurors convicted former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez of murder in the first degree due to extreme cruelty and atrocity. As required by Massachusetts law, judge Susan Garsh sentenced Hernandez to life in prison without the opportunity for parole. Hernandez will serve at least the initial part of his sentence at MCI Cedar Junction Prison in Walpole, Mass., which is only a few miles from where Hernandez played Patriots home games at Gillette Stadium in Foxborough.

The verdict followed a nine-week trial in which Bristol County (Mass.) called 131 witnesses and introduced more than 430 exhibits in its case-in-chief to prove that Hernandez was responsible for the murder of Odin Lloyd in an industrial park a mile from Hernandez's home in North Attleboro (Mass.). Hernandez was accused of joining co-defendants Ernest Wallace and Carlos Ortiz in picking up Lloyd at his Boston home early on Monday, June 17, 2013, and then driving Lloyd to the industrial park, where he was executed.

The verdict is an enormous victory for the Bristol County District Attorney's Office and in particular lead prosecutor William McCauley. Along with assistant district attorney Phillip Bomberg, McCauley convinced jurors that Hernandez murdered Lloyd in spite of the absence of a murder weapon or a cooperating eyewitness. Jurors were also not presented with a compelling motive as to why Hernandez would have killed Lloyd, but as noted throughout the trial, motive is not a required element of murder.

For Hernandez's attorneys—James Sultan, Michael Fee and Charles Rankin—the first-degree murder conviction surely comes as a stunning disappointment. As explained below, they will wage an appeal.

Why jurors convicted Hernandez

The conviction reflects the clear evidence that Hernandez played a role in Lloyd's murder—especially the cover-up that involved Hernandez's fiancée, Shayanna Jenkins. In his closing argument, McCauley also raised effective points about Hernandez's involvement with the murder by highlighting how Hernandez housed, fed and financed co-defendants Ernest Wallace and Carlos Ortiz. If Hernandez was angered or surprised by Wallace or Ortiz shooting Lloyd, Hernandez arguably didn't act that way following Lloyd's murder. This probably played a role in jurors voting to convict Hernandez.

Those jurors were likely also persuaded by suspicious text messages sent by Hernandez to Lloyd prior to Lloyd's murder as well as Hernandez's efforts to buy firearms. McCauley's memorable line in his closing argument to jurors that Lloyd was killed in "an efficient" manner—"boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom"—also helped to convince jurors of the "extreme cruelty and atrocity" in Lloyd's murder. In fact, during jurors' post-verdict press conference, one juror suggested that the jury disagreed on whether Hernandez planned the murder. That same juror, however, indicated that all of the jurors agreed that the manner of Lloyd's murder constituted extreme cruelty: "the shots—there were six of them—that was extreme." This is important because under Massachusetts law, a first degree murder conviction can be based on extreme cruelty and atrocity in carrying out an intentional murder.

McCauley placing Hernandez as the shooter through ballistics and footwear impression evidence also likely resonated with jurors. During the post-verdict press conference, several jurors found a .22-caliber gun found near Lloyd's body particularly significant. This gun was connected to Hernandez through evidence showing that he purchased it from Oscar "Papoo" Hernandez (no relation) in Florida.

As discussed throughout the trial, Massachusetts joint venture law played a crucial role in how jurors assessed the evidence and witness testimony. During the post-verdict press conference, jurors did not express certainty that Hernandez was the shooter. Hernandez, however, didn't need to be the shooter in order to be convicted of murder. Jurors could convict him so long as they were convinced of three points: (1) Hernandez was at the crime scene; (2) he shared the intent to see Lloyd murdered and (3) he significantly contributed to the murder. Hernandez was clearly at the crime scene—his defense team admitted that—and he clearly contributed to the murder by driving Lloyd, buying gas and apparently buying firearms used to kill Lloyd. The more debatable question was whether Hernandez shared the intent to kill Lloyd. After six days of deliberating, and perhaps some debate, jurors agreed Hernandez did share the intent to kill Lloyd.

The defense's controversial decision to place Hernandez at the murder scene

During his closing argument, Sultan admitted that Hernandez was at the crime scene when Lloyd was killed. Sultan then described Hernandez as a 23-year-old who simply panicked after watching someone he knew—Wallace or Ortiz—kill another person. This was a controversial move by the defense since it eliminated any juror doubt about Hernandez being at the crime scene. It also assured the prosecution that at least one of the three prongs for convicting Hernandez on joint venture murder was satisfied.

Why did the defense employ this strategy?

First, there was already undeniable evidence of Hernandez being at the crime scene. Hernandez's footwear impressions, tire tracks of a car he rented and a marijuana blunt with his DNA were all found near Lloyd's body. In addition, surveillance video showed Hernandez driving a car with Wallace and Ortiz as passengers and that car would pick up Lloyd. It would have required gymnastics of basic logic for the jury to conclude Hernandez was not at the crime scene. Hernandez's legal team probably concluded the jury would not have engaged in that kind of thinking. Then again, during the jury's post-verdict press conference, one juror opined the jury "was shocked" at Sultan's admission. It's unclear if the juror was shocked that Sultan would have made the admission or if the juror was shocked Hernandez was at the crime scene.
Second, most of the evidence implicating Hernandez took place after Lloyd's murder. Recall Jenkins's testimony. Within a day of the murder, Hernandez directed Jenkins to give Wallace $500—presumably to help Wallace flee to Florida—and Hernandez asked Jenkins to remove a highly suspicious box from the basement. Hernandez was also caught on surveillance video minutes after the murder walking around his house with what looked like a Glock gun. Jurors were thus provided with plenty of reasons to infer from Hernandez's post-murder behavior that he was the shooter or shared the intent of the shooter to kill Lloyd. But by essentially admitting that Hernandez participated in a cover-up, Sultan tried to direct jurors away from making that inference. Instead, he framed the post-murder evidence as evidence of covering up a friend's murder.

Clearly, the move failed. Jurors either didn't buy it or found sufficient pre-murder evidence against Hernandez. That evidence included Hernandez possibly holding a Glock gun in Miami and Hernandez's texts to Lloyd.

Why the separate sentencing for firearms matters

Hernandez was also convicted of two firearm charges: unlawful possession of a firearm, which carries a potential penalty range of 1.5 years to 5 years, and unlawful possession of ammunition, which carries a penalty of up to two years. Judge Garsh sentenced Hernandez to 3.5 years of prison. While the 3.5-year sentence may seem inconsequential given that Hernandez also received a life sentence with no opportunity for parole, it could nonetheless prove very important if Hernandez's attorneys successfully appeal the conviction.

Jurors are free to talk

As expected, Judge Garsh did not issue a gag order that would prevented jurors in the Lloyd trial from talking about their jury service. The absence of a gag order enabled jurors to hold a post-verdict press conference in which they discussed their reasoning for convicting Hernandez.

It will be interesting to watch if any jurors speak individually with media or express points through social media. The fact jurors took six days to render a verdict could reflect the substantial amount of evidence they had to pour over—or signal that they might have debated between first and second degree murder. For purposes of appeal, Hernandez's attorneys will surely be monitoring jurors' comments to see if they indicate they were confused about the law or how to apply it. Also for purposes of appeal, Hernandez's attorneys will gauge whether jurors reveal they were impacted by media attention of the trial.

Hernandez will appeal verdict

As is his constitutional right and automatic procedure under Massachusetts law, Hernandez will appeal the murder conviction. The appeals process starts immediately. Hernandez's attorneys have likely already begun work on drafting an appeal that will be heard by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ("SJC"). Do not expect a quick resolution, as appeals often take many months and sometimes years. Hernandez will remain incarcerated as he awaits the resolution of his appeal.

It should be noted that most appeals fail. Data indicates reversals occur in only about 10% of appeals. On the other hand, two of Hernandez's attorneys, James Sultan and Charles Rankin, are regarded as among the best attorneys in Massachusetts for post-conviction appeals. This is most notably true for murder convictions. A few years ago, for example, Sultan and Rankin persuaded the SJC to overturn the conviction of a woman who had allegedly confessed to a murder on grounds the confession was improperly obtained. Sultan and Rankin will look to continue their success with Hernandez's appeal.

In an appeal, Hernandez's attorneys will not argue that "the jury got it wrong,"​ as that would not serve as a viable appellate argument. Similarly, Hernandez's attorneys will not demand that the appellate court reconsider evidence or the believability of witness testimony, as an appeal is not a retrial.

An appeal instead concerns possible errors made by the judge in interpreting and applying the law. Along those lines, Hernandez's attorneys will contend that various decisions made by Judge Garsh were erroneous and constituted "errors of law." Judge Garsh, Hernandez's attorneys will insist, mistakenly allowed jurors to see certain pieces of evidence or hear segments of witness testimony. Hernandez's attorneys might, for instance, highlight Judge Garsh permitting Glock employee Kyle Aspinwall—who acknowledged that he was not an expert on video analysis—to offer opinions about surveillance video of Hernandez holding an object in his home minutes after Lloyd's murder. Aspinwall testified that he thought Hernandez was holding a Glock pistol, which was the type of gun used to murder Lloyd. While Judge Garsh limited the admissible scope of Aspinwall's testimony, she permitted jurors to consider some of what he said.

Jury instructions at the end of the trial are also a common source of appeal—and watch for Hernandez's attorneys to scrutinize statements made by jurors in their post-verdict press conference to see if any jurors signaled they didn't correctly understand or apply the law. More unique to Hernandez, watch for his attorneys to contend that media coverage influenced the jury and should have led Judge Garsh to declare a mistrial. Last Thursday, Judge Garsh banned a Boston television station photographer after he admitted to following jurors in his station's SUV to a parking lot. Judge Garsh also warned other media that approaching jurors would trigger a similar penalty. If jurors indicate media attention influenced the verdict, Hernandez's attorneys will surely take note.

In an appeal, Hernandez's attorneys will also need to portray the alleged mistakes as meaningful in the outcome to the trial. Not every mistake by a trial judge warrants a reversal.  Most mistakes, in fact, are considered relatively minor or lacking the necessary impact to disregard a unanimous guilty verdict by jurors.

In short, the odds are against Hernandez succeeding in an appeal, but he has hired the right legal team to nudge those odds significantly higher than are odds experienced by most appellants.

We may learn more about Lloyd's murder in upcoming trials of co-defendants Ernest Wallace and Carlos Ortiz—and Hernandez could testify in those trials

As was his right under the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Hernandez did not testify in his own trial. This was not surprising, as defendants in murder trials usually do not testify. With the unfair benefit of hindsight, perhaps Hernandez should have testified in his own defense. It would have been an extremely controversial move, however, and if Hernandez was later convicted the decision to call him to the stand would have been second-guessed for years to come.

Hernandez might have another opportunity to testify about Lloyd's murder. His co-defendants face future trials for Lloyd's murder. Hernandez cannot be forced to testify in those trials for several reasons, including that his appeal will secure his Fifth Amendment rights to avoid self-incrimination. It also seems unlikely that Hernandez, whom reportedly places a high value on loyalty, would volunteer to testify to implicate his co-defendants. Still, it is plausible Hernandez could testify. He might do so in hopes that if his appeal on the Lloyd murder conviction succeeds and he is retried for Lloyd's murder, Hernandez could then better argue that Wallace and Ortiz were to blame.

Hernandez still faces another murder trial

Hernandez's "other" murder trial may at first glance seem irrelevant given his conviction in the murder of Lloyd, but as noted above, Hernandez will attempt to have the conviction reversed on appeal. The possibility of a successful appeal maintains significance in the other trial. Hernandez is accused with murdering Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado outside the Boston nightclub Cure on July 12, 2012. While the deaths of de Abreu and Furtado occurred a year before Lloyd's death, Hernandez went to trial first for Lloyd's death because he was charged first with Lloyd's death (Hernandez was charged with murdering Lloyd on June 26, 2013, and he was charged with murdering de Abreu and Furtado on May 15, 2014). Had prosecutors in Suffolk County (Mass.) and Bristol County (Mass.) tried to prosecute Hernandez first for de Abreu and Furtado, Hernandez's attorneys were prepared to argue Hernandez's right to a speedy trial under the Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and under Massachusetts law would be violated.

The murder trial in Boston was originally scheduled for May 2015, but the date has been put on hold pending the outcome of the Lloyd murder trial. Whenever the Boston trial occurs, Hernandez will be accused of driving a silver Toyota 4Runner slowly around the Cure nightclub at 2 a.m. with Alexander Bradley—a government witness in the Lloyd murder trial and a plaintiff in a lawsuit against Hernandez for allegedly shooting him in the face outside a Miami strip club in Feb. 2013—as a passenger. Hernandez, according to the prosecution's theory, sought to execute de Abreu who while dancing spilled a drink on Hernandez in the nightclub earlier in the evening and allegedly failed to apologize to Hernandez. Prosecutors contend Hernandez waited for de Abreu and friends to enter a BMW and then, in a drive by-style shooting, opened fire on de Abreu, Furtado and Aquilino Freire, who was shot in both arms but survived. There is reportedly surveillance video of Hernandez and Bradley in the car, and the murder weapon has supposedly been found as well.

It remains to be seen how strong the evidence holds up. Clarity of video was a challenge for the prosecution in the Lloyd trial, and an eyewitness description of the Boston shooter as a "light skinned Hispanic man with short hair" matches up with numerous people in Boston that night and not only Hernandez.

Some have speculated that Lloyd's murder was due to Lloyd revealing to others that Hernandez shot de Abreu and Furtado. This alleged revelation may have occurred while Lloyd was at the Rumor nightclub in Boston with Hernandez on June 15, 2013. Hernandez, according to testimony by Lloyd friend Kwami Nicholas during Lloyd's trial, "stared down" Lloyd at Rumor. To be clear, any link between Lloyd's murder and the murders of de Abreu and Furtado remains unproven.

Hernandez faces civil litigation—and may have to testify in a trial

Now that a jury has convicted Hernandez of Lloyd's murder, he will surely face a wrongful death lawsuit over Lloyd's death (a wrongful death lawsuit would have been filed regardless of the verdict). In the prosecution, jurors were convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of Hernandez's guilt. There is no percentage of certainty for "beyond a reasonable doubt," since "reasonable doubt" centers on the jury assessing the reasonableness of various doubts raised by the defense during the trial. That said, jurors were firmly convinced of Hernandez's guilt or they would have not convicted him.

Civil lawsuits, in contrast, only require the jury find a preponderance of evidence of fault. This essentially means the jurors must conclude it is "more likely than not" or "anything higher than 50%" that the defendant is liable. Also, in Massachusetts, only a majority of jurors need to find fault in a civil trial—unlike the unanimous jury requirement in a criminal trial. This is a much lower threshold to find Hernandez at fault.

Lloyd's family will argue Hernandez's negligence caused Lloyd's death and that Hernandez owes the Lloyd family millions of dollars for the death. The criminal verdict makes it a virtual certainty that Hernandez acted unreasonably and that his unreasonable conduct contributed to Lloyd's death. The evidence includes, but is not limited to, evidence of Hernandez buying firearms, driving Lloyd to the crime scene and then trying to cover-up the crime.

Hernandez also faces a wrongful death lawsuit brought by the families of de Abreu and Furtado, whom, as discussed above, Hernandez has been charged with murdering in Boston three years ago. This wrongful death lawsuit will be litigated after the Boston murder trial. The families  already had an important pretrial ruling in 2014 when Suffolk (Mass.) Superior Court judge Bonnie McLeod placed a $5 million lien against real estate owned by Hernandez. Hernandez's 7,100 square foot home on 22 Ronald C. Meyer Driver in North Attleboro (Mass.) is valued at between $1.2 million and $1.5 million.

Safe to say, Hernandez will be meeting with lawyers for some time to come. Families of the men Hernandez has allegedly killed can also call Hernandez to testify in any civil trials. Defendants in civil trials can invoke the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination until final conviction, which means after appeals have been exhausted. Hernandez will likely invoke his Fifth Amendment right during any civil trials, provided those civil matters are litigated while he appeals his conviction in Lloyd's murder and while he defends himself in the Boston murder trial. A judge in a civil trial, it should be noted, could instruct jurors that they can infer Hernandez's testimony would have been harmful to him if he had not invoked his Fifth Amendment right.

Wrongful death lawsuits are often resolved out-of-court through settlements, but wrongful death lawsuits sometimes go to trial. This occurred after a jury found O.J. Simpson not guilty for the crime of murdering his wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ronald Goldman. A jury in a subsequent wrongful death lawsuit brought by the Brown and Goldman families found Simpson liable for wrongful death and owing $33.5 million in damages.

Michael McCann is a Massachusetts attorney.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
No Croke Park Classic in 2016

QuoteThe GAA announced today that it will not be hosting a proposed American Football game between Boston College and Georgia Tech in 2016.

The GAA stated that the strength of the dollar against the euro means that the staging of the game at Croke Park was no longer viable for the Association without significant support from government agencies.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 23, 2015, 06:29:47 PM
Spurs/Clippers series shaping up to be a classic.  1-1, game two a great watch. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 23, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
No Croke Park Classic in 2016

QuoteThe GAA announced today that it will not be hosting a proposed American Football game between Boston College and Georgia Tech in 2016.

The GAA stated that the strength of the dollar against the euro means that the staging of the game at Croke Park was no longer viable for the Association without significant support from government agencies.

That's a pity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on April 23, 2015, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 23, 2015, 06:29:47 PM
Spurs/Clippers series shaping up to be a classic.  1-1, game two a great watch.

Tim Duncan rolling back the years! Turning 39 later this week and putting in a performance like that  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2015, 09:44:33 PM
The man is ageless
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 23, 2015, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: StephenC on April 23, 2015, 07:37:04 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 23, 2015, 06:29:47 PM
Spurs/Clippers series shaping up to be a classic.  1-1, game two a great watch.

Tim Duncan rolling back the years! Turning 39 later this week and putting in a performance like that  :o

He's been rolling them back for the last 3 years! A phenomenal professional. He could conceivably grab another All NBA slot this year.

Kawhi named as Defensive Player of the Year. He's the future of the the franchise (and a huge part of the present too obviously given he's the reigning Finals MVP) if they work out how to re-sign him.

Still think they'll beat the warriors and win it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 24, 2015, 02:41:04 AM
Cavs beat Celtics 103-95 in Game 3 (up 3-1 in series).  Kevin Love played well, Kyrie Irving mostly invisible, Celtics played with high intensity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on April 24, 2015, 02:52:38 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 24, 2015, 02:41:04 AM
Cavs beat Celtics 103-95 in Game 3 (up 3-1 in series).  Kevin Love played well, Kyrie Irving mostly invisible, Celtics played with high intensity.

Is it not 3-0?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 24, 2015, 03:13:23 AM
Sorry, you're right Jello
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on April 26, 2015, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 23, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 23, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
No Croke Park Classic in 2016

QuoteThe GAA announced today that it will not be hosting a proposed American Football game between Boston College and Georgia Tech in 2016.

The GAA stated that the strength of the dollar against the euro means that the staging of the game at Croke Park was no longer viable for the Association without significant support from government agencies.

That's a pity.

I was critical of the scheduling last year (holding Croker just in case of the Dubs drawing was a very poor decision), but am not against these games.

I am surprised to see the strength of the dollar used as an excuse.

It lowers costs for the US teams and their supporters so if anything it should attract even more people and make a sell-out more likely.

It only affects, as far as I can see, people whose net spend is in euros.

Does the GAA pay for these teams to come over and does it lose money on these games? I think that would raise some eyebrows if that was the case.

What am I missing?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 26, 2015, 08:59:59 PM
Cavs beat the Celtics 101-93 and sweep the series, but at what cost?  Kevin Love leaves the game with what appears to be a serious shoulder injury, one that could have him out for a while.  In addition, JR Smith is ejected for a flagrant foul and is virtually certain to miss Game 1 of the Bulls series (assuming they beat the Bucks).  Bulls look to be in the catbird seat now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2015, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 26, 2015, 08:59:59 PM
Cavs beat the Celtics 101-93 and sweep the series, but at what cost?  Kevin Love leaves the game with what appears to be a serious shoulder injury, one that could have him out for a while.  In addition, JR Smith is ejected for a flagrant foul and is virtually certain to miss Game 1 of the Bulls series (assuming they beat the Bucks).  Bulls look to be in the catbird seat now.

Bulls have looked better the last few weeks and Rose has looked better then he has since his first injury.

Love has not been that much of a factor for the Cavs all year and is on his way out. They'll miss Smith's 3pt shooting but in a home game they should be able to cover it with Shumpert. Cavs in five or six, handily.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on April 26, 2015, 10:56:59 PM
Been watching the NHL playoffs over last couple of weeks - have to say there has been some real good series matchups - the islanders - caps game last night was unreal. Think the parity of the league really comes through. Not having a dig at the NBA playoffs as but they really only come good in the latter rounds - too many one sided series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 26, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Gallsman, though your remarks about Love are, for the most part, true, I think he's been better of late and he would have played a vital role in the Bulls' series with both his size and 3-point shooting.  Now, the Bulls' bigs can collapse into the paint making the path to the hoop much too congested for James and Irving.  I hope you're right, but I see nothing handy about this series for the Cavs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2015, 11:39:50 PM
Fair enough, "handy" maybe a bit much but I still see them getting by without going to 7.

Big win for the Clippers tonight (Austin Rivers scored 16 on 7 of 8!). After the pasting they took last time out, that was horridly impressive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on April 27, 2015, 07:52:32 AM
Quote from: stringbean on April 26, 2015, 10:56:59 PM
Been watching the NHL playoffs over last couple of weeks - have to say there has been some real good series matchups - the islanders - caps game last night was unreal. Think the parity of the league really comes through. Not having a dig at the NBA playoffs as but they really only come good in the latter rounds - too many one sided series.

In the NHL it seems any team can win once they get a hot goalie. A lot of fun to watch, though this year not as fun without the Sharks.
For the Warriors same I hope the Clippers/Spurs game goes to 7. Think the Spurs will win and hope the long series will take it out of the older players.

On another note was looking at the game in wages NHL players get compared to the overpaid basketball players. The gap is huge for the effort they put in during the regular season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 30, 2015, 01:30:10 PM
So with the NFL draft starting tonight, what is your teams needs and who would you like to see your team select in the first round?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 30, 2015, 03:37:53 PM
There are 200,000 people expected to Chicago's 'draft town' for the first round tonight. That's 200,000 to watch an event ON TV, where there are no games played at all. The NFL is mental.

As regards the draft, looks like the Buccs are going to go with Winston. If they do Mariotta might fall a little bit. Running back is deep, I'd like to see the Cardinals take a running back or else a great pass rush. They've lost a little bit on defense in the off season. They might be in for Peterson too before all is said and done. A corner wouldn't go amiss either. Todd Gurley would be nice, but so would  a top pass rusher.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 30, 2015, 04:05:30 PM
There is no chance of Marriotta falling. None. There are at least 3 teams right who will make a play at moving up for the Titans pick, somebody will get something done if the Titans don't want him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 30, 2015, 04:10:58 PM
Probably right. I think there might be a trade though. I'm not sure the Titans will take him. Will the Browns try move up? They have 2 first round picks this year. Although they said they are committed to Johnny Maziel.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 30, 2015, 04:29:48 PM
Winston is an arsehole, I would not touch him, the safe qb pick is Mariotta, Winston has character issues although he is said to be the smartest player in the draft.

If the Browns move up it is bye bye Johnny football, he has been a mare for the Browns and they have no faith in him at all at all.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 30, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
I'd like to see the Browns try to pick up Mariota, but I fear the asking price will be too steep.  I see the Titans asking for the 12th and 19th picks in this year's first round as well as the Browns' first round pick next year.  Mariota or not, the Browns managed the unthinkable in last year's draft--avoid drafting a top tier WR, even though there were tons of them and they knew Josh Gordon would not play.  So, we need a decent WR because no matter who the QB is, he'll be useless without solid receivers.  If we fail to draft WRs, then the only fun in Cleveland will be watching Johnny Manziel running for his life pursued by ravenous, athletic, 250-300 pound dogs.  If they catch him, it'll give a brand new meaning to the term 'Dawg Pound'!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 30, 2015, 04:59:26 PM
For the Dolphins I would be happy with DeVante Parker, Todd Gurley, Brandon Scherff or a trade down. Barring that the best available corner or ILB, I just don't think there are really elite talents at those positions (not sold on Trae Waynes). I would have been happy with La'el Collins too before yesterdays debacle, he's probably innocent but you can't take that chance now.
I think we probably have the best chance of landing Gurley out of my three favorite picks. Would be worried about the Rams, Vikings and Browns picking up Parker and think the Giants could take Scherff.

Regarding the quarterbacks I think they are gone 1 and 2, 50/50 on whether the Titans will take Mariota or trade. You could see the Eagles, Browns, Jets or possibly the Chargers trade up with the Rivers situation. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on April 30, 2015, 05:00:26 PM
It's a very general question and I'm sure there is no right answer, but feck it, it's a general American sports thread so here goes. Does anyone have any thoughts on when football overtook baseball as America's Game? I'm assuming here we can all agree this has happened. When you see the crowds you get at what are the equivalent of Under-21 matches and millions of people tuning into the NFL draft, I think it's self-evident. If you were asked to identify a tipping point when football became the dominant force, what would it be?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 30, 2015, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: deiseach on April 30, 2015, 05:00:26 PM
It's a very general question and I'm sure there is no right answer, but feck it, it's a general American sports thread so here goes. Does anyone have any thoughts on when football overtook baseball as America's Game? I'm assuming here we can all agree this has happened. When you see the crowds you get at what are the equivalent of Under-21 matches and millions of people tuning into the NFL draft, I think it's self-evident. If you were asked to identify a tipping point when football became the dominant force, what would it be?

The great "Jimmy the Greek" reckoned this happened in the mid 70's to early 80's with the increased television coverage of football ,claiming the violent aspect made it a perfect fit for television and I have heard others claim the baseball strike in 1994 that postponed the World Series turned a lot of people off baseball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on April 30, 2015, 05:09:38 PM
Now I know where the name 'Smooth Jimmy Apollo' came from!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 30, 2015, 05:44:29 PM
I see Sky have despatched Jim White, yellow tie and all, to Chicago for the draft. The NFL's equivalent of transfer deadline day according the to man himself. Sky do love a bit of hype!

I know very little about the players coming out of college but everyone seems to be thinking da Bears will go for a WR in Round 1 to replace Brandon Marshall and play opposite Alshon Jeffrey. Amari Cooper and Kevin White mentioned regularly. Bears have a lot of needs. Defense has been historically bad the last two campaigns and good and all a coach as he is, Vic Fangio can't go out there and do it himself. A few good additions in free agency on 1 year "prove it" contracts and you'd hope Jared Allen and others couldn't be as lacklustre as last season....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 01, 2015, 01:46:34 AM
QB's 1 & 2 in the draft. Good QB's this year and will be interesting to see if the start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on May 01, 2015, 04:26:59 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 01, 2015, 01:46:34 AM
QB's 1 & 2 in the draft. Good QB's this year and will be interesting to see if the start.

Some think Winston could be another Ryan Leaf if he doesn't cop himself on.

Jets will have some defensive line next season. It was already good before the draft pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 01, 2015, 04:41:13 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 01, 2015, 04:26:59 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 01, 2015, 01:46:34 AM
QB's 1 & 2 in the draft. Good QB's this year and will be interesting to see if the start.

Some think Winston could be another Ryan Leaf if he doesn't cop himself on.

Jets will have some defensive line next season. It was already good before the draft pick.

Or JaMarcus! There was a photo of Winston about six weeks after the national semi final game and he was utterly huge.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 01, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Winston will be a bust in my opinion, he is a fantastic talent but unless he matures he is going to go the way of Leaf!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 02, 2015, 03:10:13 AM
Quote from: stew on May 01, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Winston will be a bust in my opinion, he is a fantastic talent but unless he matures he is going to go the way of Leaf!

Agreed
Can't understand why these teams don't take character into account as much as they should. This guy does not like to work and is going to blow up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 02, 2015, 03:40:15 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 02, 2015, 03:10:13 AM
Quote from: stew on May 01, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Winston will be a bust in my opinion, he is a fantastic talent but unless he matures he is going to go the way of Leaf!

Agreed
Can't understand why these teams don't take character into account as much as they should. This guy does not like to work and is going to blow up.

Obviously a bigger deal with a first rounder but teams can make it work the way they structure the contracts. Look at Aaron Hernandez for example. When he was drafted, he slipped down to the fourth round I think and the Pats gave him a contract that was heavily back end loaded and subject to tests and check ups etc - he had to walk the straight and narrow (he presumably did for a bit...) before the real money started kicking in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 02, 2015, 04:40:25 AM
Spurs Clippers headed for game 7 tomorrow night.   Doubt we'll see a better series for the rest of the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 05, 2015, 02:35:45 AM
Bulls 99. Cavs. 92 in Cleveland.  Not looking good for the wine and gold
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on May 05, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Good start for Chicago but Cleveland are well capable of winning back home court advantage.I do think we will see a game 7 in this series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
I still think they'll make it too.

Devastated to see my beloved spurs bow out. Fair play to the Clippers as I didn't think they had the balls but CP3 and Blake in particular really stepped up for them. Expect therm to get past the Rockets in 5 or 6 and then who knows against GSW (their series is a foregone conclusion)?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 05, 2015, 04:45:40 PM
The only positive I take from the Cavs loss is that LeBron played poorly (turnovers!) and they still had a chance to win.  Kyrie Irving made some astounding buckets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 05, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
I still think they'll make it too.

Devastated to see my beloved spurs bow out. Fair play to the Clippers as I didn't think they had the balls but CP3 and Blake in particular really stepped up for them. Expect therm to get past the Rockets in 5 or 6 and then who knows against GSW (their series is a foregone conclusion)?!

That was some win for the clips last night after 1 days rest compared to the Rockets 4, in Houston and most importantly without CP3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 05:59:09 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 05, 2015, 04:45:40 PM
The only positive I take from the Cavs loss is that LeBron played poorly (turnovers!) and they still had a chance to win.  Kyrie Irving made some astounding buckets.

Kyrie has really stepped up this year after a bad start and a scolding from Lebron. I didn't think he had the player he's become in him at all. He might just have the best lay ups in the game at the minute.

Cleveland need to find something to unclog the lane with Love out. Going small with both JR and Shumpert playing as a dual wing threat would open it up a bit.

Quote from: gawa316 on May 05, 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
I still think they'll make it too.

Devastated to see my beloved spurs bow out. Fair play to the Clippers as I didn't think they had the balls but CP3 and Blake in particular really stepped up for them. Expect therm to get past the Rockets in 5 or 6 and then who knows against GSW (their series is a foregone conclusion)?!

That was some win for the clips last night after 1 days rest compared to the Rockets 4, in Houston and most importantly without CP3

1 days rest after a series that probably won't be matched for intensity until the finals too! Griffin really putting it up to some critics. Crawford getting healthy is huge for them and Redick has been really good the last few games. Unfortunately, without CP3 back soon, they'll be going no further.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 05, 2015, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 05:59:09 PM


1 days rest after a series that probably won't be matched for intensity until the finals too! Griffin really putting it up to some critics. Crawford getting healthy is huge for them and Redick has been really good the last few games. Unfortunately, without CP3 back soon, they'll be going no further.

I think they'll win this series in say 5/6 and will then come up against the Warriors who will put them to the sword.

Agree on Griffin, everyone was saying he was a choker after the first few games of the spurs series but he's really stepped up in the last 3 or so games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on May 05, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
Both JR and Shumpert are unreliable as hell shooting though. JR could hit 30 three nights in a row, then 8 for the next five. He is also immature and does idiotic things that end up in suspension and/loss of form e.g. his tweets, his elbow on Jason Terry or tying the laces of that player last year. Not the smartest player either and too liable to shoot first from stupid positions, which is not to say he is not talented. I loved Shumpert as a Knick for his defensive prowess, especially steals, but his shooting was never great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 05, 2015, 08:33:22 PM
Wonder will Duncan retire or keep playing. One of the best ever. If he had a bit more help in that series the Spurs wouldn't have needed to play a Game 7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 08:42:31 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 05, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
Both JR and Shumpert are unreliable as hell shooting though. JR could hit 30 three nights in a row, then 8 for the next five. He is also immature and does idiotic things that end up in suspension and/loss of form e.g. his tweets, his elbow on Jason Terry or tying the laces of that player last year. Not the smartest player either and too liable to shoot first from stupid positions, which is not to say he is not talented. I loved Shumpert as a Knick for his defensive prowess, especially steals, but his shooting was never great.

Oh he's a complete idiot but both JR and Shumpert are better Cavs than they were Knicks. Between them they can put up enough to space things out for Lebron and Irving and Shumpert is solid defensively.

I think Duncan will stay on. He could very likely, and probably will, get All-NBA honours again this season. He had 27-11 in the loss on Saturday! Ginobili is a different matter. He's struggled a lot with injuries over the last few years although occasionally broke out with huge games this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 05, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
And Stephen Curry wins the MVP. Well deserved IMHO, some of the scores this year were superb. Very down to earth sort of lad also, would love to see them win it all this year also. Seen an interview here last night where his Dad and Agent did everything they could to stop GSW picking him 7th in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 05, 2015, 08:50:10 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 05, 2015, 08:46:20 PM
And Stephen Curry wins the MVP. Well deserved IMHO, some of the scores this year were superb. Very down to earth sort of lad also, would love to see them win it all this year also. Seen an interview here last night where his Dad and Agent did everything they could to stop GSW picking him 7th in the draft.

Yup, he's an absolutely magical player. Best player on the best team. Most open MVP vote in years. Harden would have been just as deserving in my book.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 05, 2015, 09:15:42 PM
I find it funny that both Stephen Curry and LeBron James were born in Akron, Ohio.  Tyre capital of the world and home to two amazing basketball MVPs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 05, 2015, 10:19:32 PM
His father played for the Cavs at the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 05, 2015, 11:49:53 PM
You're right, Gabe.  His dad did stop for a quick cup of coffee in Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 06, 2015, 04:53:04 PM
Steph Curry and the Warriors are human after all. Soundly beat last night by the Grizzlies, surely that can't play that bad again?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 06, 2015, 04:55:57 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 06, 2015, 04:53:04 PM
Steph Curry and the Warriors are human after all. Soundly beat last night by the Grizzlies, surely that can't play that bad again?!

Having Conley back is huge for them, even with half a face. For much of the year it looked like they'd be a legitimate threat in the West and it was Memphis that stopped GSWs 17 or 18 game streak. I don't think it'll last though. Too old and too banged up..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on May 06, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
Deflategate report is out.

Apparently it was likely intentional and Brady probably knew about it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 06, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 06, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
Deflategate report is out.

Apparently it was likely intentional and Brady probably knew about it.

Pats cheating ? Never
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 06, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
Deflategate report is out.

Apparently it was likely intentional and Brady probably knew about it.

Pats cheating ? Never

Pats fans remind me of zealots. They'll play this like the whole NFL is out to get them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 07, 2015, 02:33:12 AM
Cavs over the Bulls 106-91.  Had to work very hard to achieve it and may have incurred another injury--Shumprert.  Boy, it's hard being a Cleveland sports fan.  But at least we have a 1-1 split now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 07, 2015, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 06, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
Deflategate report is out.

Apparently it was likely intentional and Brady probably knew about it.

Pats cheating ? Never

Pats fans remind me of zealots. They'll play this like the whole NFL is out to get them.

I am one and I think they are bunch of cheating hoors and that Brady should face sanctions next season, he has tainted his legacy and is as bad as a doper in my opinion.

So maybe it's just some Pats fans you are referring to! ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 07, 2015, 08:44:47 AM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2015, 07:39:44 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 06, 2015, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 06, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on May 06, 2015, 06:41:12 PM
Deflategate report is out.

Apparently it was likely intentional and Brady probably knew about it.

Pats cheating ? Never

Pats fans remind me of zealots. They'll play this like the whole NFL is out to get them.

I am one and I think they are bunch of cheating hoors and that Brady should face sanctions next season, he has tainted his legacy and is as bad as a doper in my opinion.

So maybe it's just some Pats fans you are referring to! ::)

In fairness Im taking my cues from the lads over on Boards.ie that I know and how they react on ESPN.com and the like. Like any other fanbase I guess the loud ones tend to drown out the sensible ones..

Ironically I think BB is one of the few people who comes out of this looking like he didn't lie, he basically punted it to Brady in his presser and Brady completely denied everything, even saying he didn't know McNally which the text messages clearly show he did. I suppose BB's seminar on ball pressure a few days later doesn't look good but it seems at least to be prompted by Brady's flat denials.

Robert Kraft coming out with smarmy requests for apologies from the NFL before the findings were even in looks very bad now. The fact he still remained unrepentant yesterday when the findings came out does not reflect well on the man.

Such a pointless reason to be embroiled in a cheating scandal, the Pats would have won the SB this year with normally inflated balls..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 07, 2015, 04:01:33 PM
They should get stripped of every pick in next years draft and Brady should sit for at least four games if not eight.

Kraft and BB knew about this, I dont buy that shite one bit, the Pats are a scuzzy outfit, the best in any American city but they deal in the dark arts from the shadows and that should be beneath them, I am a fan and hope they get hammered because they deserve to and they need to know there is a heavy price for cheating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 09, 2015, 03:43:13 AM
What a thrilling playoff game.  Bulls beat the Cavs 99-96 with a 3-pointer at the buzzer. Darn!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 09, 2015, 06:54:24 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 09, 2015, 03:43:13 AM
What a thrilling playoff game.  Bulls beat the Cavs 99-96 with a 3-pointer at the buzzer. Darn!


That was a great game, whilst the Clips just stuffed the Rockets. They're playing some great stuff at the minute without there main man who only played 20 odd minutes.

Warriors going to have to come back strong tomorrow night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 09, 2015, 11:34:04 AM
Bit of a heave with a fair bit of luck from Rose but they all count! Hard not to be happy for him given everything he's gone through in the last three years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2015, 04:01:33 PM
They should get stripped of every pick in next years draft and Brady should sit for at least four games if not eight.

Kraft and BB knew about this, I dont buy that shite one bit, the Pats are a scuzzy outfit, the best in any American city but they deal in the dark arts from the shadows and that should be beneath them, I am a fan and hope they get hammered because they deserve to and they need to know there is a heavy price for cheating.

Finally finished the report this morning. The evidence against New England is damning, the evidence against Brady is at best weak. It's also far from what I would deem an independent investigation. It was conducted by a law firm whose biggest client is the NFL. Obviously doesn't make it biased but does make it suspicious. I doubt the sanctions will be too severe I wouldn't think the League would wish to open themselves up to challenge on it particularly how they were criticised over the lack of independence in the Adrian Peterson affair.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 09, 2015, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: stew on May 07, 2015, 04:01:33 PM
They should get stripped of every pick in next years draft and Brady should sit for at least four games if not eight.

Kraft and BB knew about this, I dont buy that shite one bit, the Pats are a scuzzy outfit, the best in any American city but they deal in the dark arts from the shadows and that should be beneath them, I am a fan and hope they get hammered because they deserve to and they need to know there is a heavy price for cheating.

Finally finished the report this morning. The evidence against New England is damning, the evidence against Brady is at best weak. It's also far from what I would deem an independent investigation. It was conducted by a law firm whose biggest client is the NFL. Obviously doesn't make it biased but does make it suspicious. I doubt the sanctions will be too severe I wouldn't think the League would wish to open themselves up to challenge on it particularly how they were criticised over the lack of independence in the Adrian Peterson affair.

Rumours that Brady is gonna get suspended for an unspecified number of games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.

Reports are 6-8 games. They're not backing down on this one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 06:04:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.

Reports are 6-8 games. They're not backing down on this one.

Hmm I really don't think the contents of the report are sufficient for that. There are serious questions over certain aspects of the report.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 09, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.

Reports are 6-8 games. They're not backing down on this one.

Nah, they cannot give him more games that the wife beaters get!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: stew on May 09, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.

Reports are 6-8 games. They're not backing down on this one.

Nah, they cannot give him more games that the wife beaters get!

Look at Bountygate/Spygate. The NFL have regularly came down hard on cheaters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 09, 2015, 10:50:07 PM
And we say the Gaa make things up as they go! The NFL needs a DRA and Frank Murphy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 10, 2015, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: stew on May 09, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.

Reports are 6-8 games. They're not backing down on this one.

Nah, they cannot give him more games that the wife beaters get!

Look at Bountygate/Spygate. The NFL have regularly came down hard on cheaters.

Rightly so. The problem I have is whilst there's damning evidence against for example the patriots some aspects of the report including its lack of perceived impartiality may make it difficult to get disciplinary action to stick against Tom Brady. I could be wrong of course the NFL have been known to dance to their own tune on plenty of occasions but with players being successful in court in recent times I'd be surprised if they rolled the dice on this one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 10, 2015, 12:14:59 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 10, 2015, 12:10:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: stew on May 09, 2015, 09:51:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 09, 2015, 05:57:13 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 09, 2015, 03:31:22 PM
I could see why the NFL should do that I'd just be surprised if they did.

Reports are 6-8 games. They're not backing down on this one.

Nah, they cannot give him more games that the wife beaters get!

Look at Bountygate/Spygate. The NFL have regularly came down hard on cheaters.

Rightly so. The problem I have is whilst there's damning evidence against for example the patriots some aspects of the report including its lack of perceived impartiality may make it difficult to get disciplinary action to stick against Tom Brady. I could be wrong of course the NFL have been known to dance to their own tune on plenty of occasions but with players being successful in court in recent times I'd be surprised if they rolled the dice on this one

Regardless of punishment, why did they do it, the advantage must have been minimal, why take the chance of getting caught ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 10, 2015, 12:18:01 AM
Yeah it was a strange one but I suppose at that level you think every 0.0001% advantage might be the difference between winning and loosing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 10, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
Wow, Cavs beat Bulls at the buzzer.  Teams tied 2-2.  Brutally physical tussle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 10, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
Wow, Cavs beat Bulls at the buzzer.  Teams tied 2-2.  Brutally physical tussle.

Great game and an unreal finish. James showed unreal ability with that final shot. BC junior was gutted as he's a Bulls fan, reckons he could be the next Noah, he has the beard and is working on the hair!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 10, 2015, 11:19:32 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 10, 2015, 11:14:21 PM
Wow, Cavs beat Bulls at the buzzer.  Teams tied 2-2.  Brutally physical tussle.

Was watching! Lebron won, lost and then won it for them again in the 4th. Some shot with 0.8 in the clock and having committed the offensive foul that let Chicago level it up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 10, 2015, 11:45:28 PM
BC1, after that Noah remark, I have an entirely new view of your appearance.  So, now the Walking Dead return to Cleveland, and if Pasol can play, that's huge for Chicago.  It stinks to see Kyrie Irving hobbling around with no burst of speed. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 10, 2015, 11:59:57 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 10, 2015, 11:45:28 PM
BC1, after that Noah remark, I have an entirely new view of your appearance.  So, now the Walking Dead return to Cleveland, and if Pasol can play, that's huge for Chicago.  It stinks to see Kyrie Irving hobbling around with no burst of speed.

I had the Noah look the odd time back in the good old days, just not in public!! 

Having Pau back would be huge for Bulls as he is key to their game plan. Kyrie really should not have played, he looked a busted flush.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 11, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
Brady suspended for 4 games

Pats lose 1st round (2016) & 4th round (2017) draft picks

$1m fine

NFL making it up as they go along
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on May 11, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
Shows you what I know. As I said having read the report from a legal standpoint I'm surprised they went ahead with a suspension of Brady. I'd be very interested to see if he/ the Patriots appeal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 11, 2015, 11:35:15 PM
Good enough for them. All they have achieved in the recent era is badly tainted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on May 12, 2015, 05:04:43 AM
Badly tainted my hole Seany. You can't look at anything objectively ever, it's only ever based on your hatred of said player/ team. You hate the Pats/ Brady, the Packers/Rodgers. Throw Liverpool/Arsenal / City and Chelsea  into that as well....
Tainted my hole....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 07:36:42 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 12, 2015, 05:04:43 AM
Badly tainted my hole Seany. You can't look at anything objectively ever, it's only ever based on your hatred of said player/ team. You hate the Pats/ Brady, the Packers/Rodgers. Throw Liverpool/Arsenal / City and Chelsea  into that as well....
Tainted my hole....

I hope you're ready with the personal attacks and accusations for the hordes of people who agree with my viewpoint.

Still have butt ache over Aaron Rodger...jeez.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 09:09:58 AM
I don't think what they've achieved is tainted by this, but throw in the Spygate as well and you at least have an unsavoury element to the way they go about their business.

What they have done is phenomonal, and they don't need to be letting air out of footballs, or spying on the New York F**king Jets. Belichik has grown an empire there, in fairness to him, and Brady is his totem. For Belichik and Brady to be caught cheating in two separate incidents is disappointing to say the least.

*However* the NFL are absolutely making things up as they go, and are a complete joke. Goodell has been good for the league in a lot of ways, but his approach to discipline and penalties is ridiculous. This is far too big for what the offence actually was, and removing a draft pick is in many ways worse than missing Brady for 4 games. What precedence was used for this? I can see the appeal reducing it, although the appeals process is flawed in the NFL as Goodell hears the appeals, essentially, as well. I know the process has changed slightly recently, but I don't think Goodell will be far away from any decision.

It is interesting what becomes the norm though, and how outraged people get. They are up in arms over this, and yet how many players in the league are currently playing despite having PEDs discovered in their bodies? How many served pathetic suspensions? And yet bulked up players must be the single most dangerous aspect to another player's safety, and yet because it is now sort of accepted, this deflate gate thing is getting more air time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pat, but I admire what they've done in the free agent era. It's incredible. I think deflating balls was stupid, sly and unnecessary and is probably a bit of glimpse into their mentality and ethical compass, but does it taint all their achievements? Not at all in my view.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: wherefromreferee? on May 12, 2015, 09:38:27 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 09:09:58 AM
I don't think what they've achieved is tainted by this, but throw in the Spygate as well and you at least have an unsavoury element to the way they go about their business.

What they have done is phenomonal, and they don't need to be letting air out of footballs, or spying on the New York F**king Jets. Belichik has grown an empire there, in fairness to him, and Brady is his totem. For Belichik and Brady to be caught cheating in two separate incidents is disappointing to say the least.

*However* the NFL are absolutely making things up as they go, and are a complete joke. Goodell has been good for the league in a lot of ways, but his approach to discipline and penalties is ridiculous. This is far too big for what the offence actually was, and removing a draft pick is in many ways worse than missing Brady for 4 games. What precedence was used for this? I can see the appeal reducing it, although the appeals process is flawed in the NFL as Goodell hears the appeals, essentially, as well. I know the process has changed slightly recently, but I don't think Goodell will be far away from any decision.

It is interesting what becomes the norm though, and how outraged people get. They are up in arms over this, and yet how many players in the league are currently playing despite having PEDs discovered in their bodies? How many served pathetic suspensions? And yet bulked up players must be the single most dangerous aspect to another player's safety, and yet because it is now sort of accepted, this deflate gate thing is getting more air time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pat, but I admire what they've done in the free agent era. It's incredible. I think deflating balls was stupid, sly and unnecessary and is probably a bit of glimpse into their mentality and ethical compass, but does it taint all their achievements? Not at all in my view.

Fair post, but this did make me smile - intentional?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 09:09:58 AM
I don't think what they've achieved is tainted by this, but throw in the Spygate as well and you at least have an unsavoury element to the way they go about their business.

What they have done is phenomonal, and they don't need to be letting air out of footballs, or spying on the New York F**king Jets. Belichik has grown an empire there, in fairness to him, and Brady is his totem. For Belichik and Brady to be caught cheating in two separate incidents is disappointing to say the least.

*However* the NFL are absolutely making things up as they go, and are a complete joke. Goodell has been good for the league in a lot of ways, but his approach to discipline and penalties is ridiculous. This is far too big for what the offence actually was, and removing a draft pick is in many ways worse than missing Brady for 4 games. What precedence was used for this? I can see the appeal reducing it, although the appeals process is flawed in the NFL as Goodell hears the appeals, essentially, as well. I know the process has changed slightly recently, but I don't think Goodell will be far away from any decision.

It is interesting what becomes the norm though, and how outraged people get. They are up in arms over this, and yet how many players in the league are currently playing despite having PEDs discovered in their bodies? How many served pathetic suspensions? And yet bulked up players must be the single most dangerous aspect to another player's safety, and yet because it is now sort of accepted, this deflate gate thing is getting more air time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pat, but I admire what they've done in the free agent era. It's incredible. I think deflating balls was stupid, sly and unnecessary and is probably a bit of glimpse into their mentality and ethical compass, but does it taint all their achievements? Not at all in my view.

So there's an
Quoteunsavoury element to the way they go about their business
but that doesn't taint anything? A bit of fence riding there my friend!

I go along with all you say besides. Their achievements are simply stunning, no doubt. The way they build through the draft and are so ruthlessly efficient in free agency is incredible and it has sustained them as challengers for an almost impossible length of time. Unbelievable coaching is obviously to the fore also as of course is possibly one of the top 5 QB's to ever play the game.

I think because of the spygate thing this issue is getting much more attention than it normally would. They didn't need to be at this kind of thing and it doesn't sit well with lots of people.

The disciplinary system in the NFL is a complete joke and has got out of hand under Goodell. He screwed up so badly on Rice that he now seems to impose penalties based on how he thinks the public will react. This will be appealed and halved.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on May 12, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
What is the appropriate punishment in this case and why?

The NFL is a 32 team cartel and as such when it comes to disciplinary issues their only real concern is the impact their disciplinary decisions have on the ability to flog their product to Joe Public. They will punish cheating, even when in instances like this it had no material affect on the game outcome, as it is paramount that the public has confidence in the integrity of the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 10:11:24 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 09:09:58 AM
I don't think what they've achieved is tainted by this, but throw in the Spygate as well and you at least have an unsavoury element to the way they go about their business.

What they have done is phenomonal, and they don't need to be letting air out of footballs, or spying on the New York F**king Jets. Belichik has grown an empire there, in fairness to him, and Brady is his totem. For Belichik and Brady to be caught cheating in two separate incidents is disappointing to say the least.

*However* the NFL are absolutely making things up as they go, and are a complete joke. Goodell has been good for the league in a lot of ways, but his approach to discipline and penalties is ridiculous. This is far too big for what the offence actually was, and removing a draft pick is in many ways worse than missing Brady for 4 games. What precedence was used for this? I can see the appeal reducing it, although the appeals process is flawed in the NFL as Goodell hears the appeals, essentially, as well. I know the process has changed slightly recently, but I don't think Goodell will be far away from any decision.

It is interesting what becomes the norm though, and how outraged people get. They are up in arms over this, and yet how many players in the league are currently playing despite having PEDs discovered in their bodies? How many served pathetic suspensions? And yet bulked up players must be the single most dangerous aspect to another player's safety, and yet because it is now sort of accepted, this deflate gate thing is getting more air time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pat, but I admire what they've done in the free agent era. It's incredible. I think deflating balls was stupid, sly and unnecessary and is probably a bit of glimpse into their mentality and ethical compass, but does it taint all their achievements? Not at all in my view.

So there's an
Quoteunsavoury element to the way they go about their business
but that doesn't taint anything? A bit of fence riding there my friend!

I go along with all you say besides. Their achievements are simply stunning, no doubt. The way they build through the draft and are so ruthlessly efficient in free agency is incredible and it has sustained them as challengers for an almost impossible length of time. Unbelievable coaching is obviously to the fore also as of course is possibly one of the top 5 QB's to ever play the game.

I think because of the spygate thing this issue is getting much more attention than it normally would. They didn't need to be at this kind of thing and it doesn't sit well with lots of people.

The disciplinary system in the NFL is a complete joke and has got out of hand under Goodell. He screwed up so badly on Rice that he now seems to impose penalties based on how he thinks the public will react. This will be appealed and halved.

It depends what you mean by taint. I took it that you meant it tainted them in that there should be an 'asterix' beside their name when they won the superbowls or whatever. In otherwords they won BECAUSE they did this sort of thing.

I don't believe that.

I do believe they are not averse to a bit of sneakiness, based on those two incidents alone even, but that's not a reason why they won.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: Clov on May 12, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
What is the appropriate punishment in this case and why?

The NFL is a 32 team cartel and as such when it comes to disciplinary issues their only real concern is the impact their disciplinary decisions have on the ability to flog their product to Joe Public. They will punish cheating, even when in instances like this it had no material affect on the game outcome, as it is paramount that the public has confidence in the integrity of the game.

A lot of truth in that Clov, and it's the reason why I think they make it up as they go along. They try to guage the public outrage and match a punishment to that, rather than having a set of consistent punishments that everyone knows is applicable for certain types of offences. Then the only variable becomes matching a specific incident to a category and getting the relevant punishment.

In this case, I believe they were trying to manipulate equipment to give their quarterback a bit more comfort when throwing a ball. Given that this game was going to be a run,run,run game I don't think it materially impacted the result.

To me it's along the lines of Brian Clough watering the bejaysus out of a pitch to make it a bog before a European tie, or Cork trying to use their own sliotars rather than the approved O'Neills ones in games. (remember when Donal Óg used to switch them at puck out?).

I would have thought that that sort of manipulation of equipment would merit a fine, and perhaps a one game suspension for Brady. I suspect when the appeal is heard it may end up more like that anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 12:38:42 PM
That's all well and good AZ but people will ask (rightly or wrongly) - what are they doing that the HAVEN'T got caught out on?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
I dunno if this is too much. If the organisation was clean to begin with it might be overly harsh but with the Patriots' track record you can see any administration losing their patience with them. I thought it was always likely that the Patriots would take a significant hit even though the owner/HC weren't implicated - in the end it's the organisation who gains the advantage and it's that organisation that is ultimately responsible for their employees' actions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
I dunno if this is too much. If the organisation was clean to begin with it might be overly harsh but with the Patriots' track record you can see any administration losing their patience with them. I thought it was always likely that the Patriots would take a significant hit even though the owner/HC weren't implicated - in the end it's the organisation who gains the advantage and it's that organisation that is ultimately responsible for their employees' actions.

Ara you just hate Tom Brady and his seed, breed and generation and everyone who ever played for the Patriots and come to think of it Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone as well. So there!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 12, 2015, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
I dunno if this is too much. If the organisation was clean to begin with it might be overly harsh but with the Patriots' track record you can see any administration losing their patience with them. I thought it was always likely that the Patriots would take a significant hit even though the owner/HC weren't implicated - in the end it's the organisation who gains the advantage and it's that organisation that is ultimately responsible for their employees' actions.

Ara you just hate Tom Brady and his seed, breed and generation and everyone who ever played for the Patriots and come to think of it Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone as well. So there!

Are you saying I like Westmeath?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2015, 03:18:50 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 02:24:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 12, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
I dunno if this is too much. If the organisation was clean to begin with it might be overly harsh but with the Patriots' track record you can see any administration losing their patience with them. I thought it was always likely that the Patriots would take a significant hit even though the owner/HC weren't implicated - in the end it's the organisation who gains the advantage and it's that organisation that is ultimately responsible for their employees' actions.

Ara you just hate Tom Brady and his seed, breed and generation and everyone who ever played for the Patriots and come to think of it Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim, Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone as well. So there!

Are you saying I like Westmeath?

You see - you hate everyone!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on May 12, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
 Nearly every media outlet across the country believes the penalties to be excessive. The NFL have zero rights to Brady's cell phone , sweet FA, yet this was a large part in him receiving the 4 games, not cooperating. As someone alluded to earlier, this is simply Goodell flexing. Waiting a few days after the report was released and then trying to gauge public opinion in order to levy a penalty. Laughable that a billion dollar industry operates in such a way.
Btw, slightly off subject. The Pats will f**k NBC and the NFL in the rear end on opening night. There will be no opening night party , no banner dropped, it will be awkward.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 12, 2015, 04:50:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 12, 2015, 09:09:58 AM
I don't think what they've achieved is tainted by this, but throw in the Spygate as well and you at least have an unsavoury element to the way they go about their business.

What they have done is phenomonal, and they don't need to be letting air out of footballs, or spying on the New York F**king Jets. Belichik has grown an empire there, in fairness to him, and Brady is his totem. For Belichik and Brady to be caught cheating in two separate incidents is disappointing to say the least.

*However* the NFL are absolutely making things up as they go, and are a complete joke. Goodell has been good for the league in a lot of ways, but his approach to discipline and penalties is ridiculous. This is far too big for what the offence actually was, and removing a draft pick is in many ways worse than missing Brady for 4 games. What precedence was used for this? I can see the appeal reducing it, although the appeals process is flawed in the NFL as Goodell hears the appeals, essentially, as well. I know the process has changed slightly recently, but I don't think Goodell will be far away from any decision.

It is interesting what becomes the norm though, and how outraged people get. They are up in arms over this, and yet how many players in the league are currently playing despite having PEDs discovered in their bodies? How many served pathetic suspensions? And yet bulked up players must be the single most dangerous aspect to another player's safety, and yet because it is now sort of accepted, this deflate gate thing is getting more air time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the Pat, but I admire what they've done in the free agent era. It's incredible. I think deflating balls was stupid, sly and unnecessary and is probably a bit of glimpse into their mentality and ethical compass, but does it taint all their achievements? Not at all in my view.

Would agree with most of that, especially the making it up as they go along but on saying that what would have been an appropriate punishment?

Things to take into to consideration are; this is the second time they have been caught, the actual deflating and then the cover up. The team rightly gets punished through a fine and loss of draft picks (& Brady for 4 games) and Brady then needs punished for his part which he is, through his 4 game suspension (I'm guessing one for his involvement and 3 for the cover up). All in all I think the punishment is not to far off. Saying that it will probably be reduced to 2 on appeal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 04:52:36 PM
You must hate the Patriots too. Isn't that right Cadhlachain?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 12, 2015, 05:00:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 12, 2015, 07:36:42 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 12, 2015, 05:04:43 AM
Badly tainted my hole Seany. You can't look at anything objectively ever, it's only ever based on your hatred of said player/ team. You hate the Pats/ Brady, the Packers/Rodgers. Throw Liverpool/Arsenal / City and Chelsea  into that as well....
Tainted my hole....

I hope you're ready with the personal attacks and accusations for the hordes of people who agree with my viewpoint.

Hey what the hell is wrong with Rodgers, he is one of the good guys!

As for the packers, they are one well run organization and the only city owned non profit in professional sports.


Still have butt ache over Aaron Rodger...jeez.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 13, 2015, 02:44:58 AM
Emergency, Ward 10!  Can't believe the Cavs beat the Bulls (106-101).  Le Bron was a horse, and amazed that Kyrie Irving played so well.  Gasol would have been huge had he been fit enough to play. Go Cavs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on May 13, 2015, 03:33:47 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on May 12, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Nearly every media outlet across the country believes the penalties to be excessive. The NFL have zero rights to Brady's cell phone , sweet FA, yet this was a large part in him receiving the 4 games, not cooperating. As someone alluded to earlier, this is simply Goodell flexing. Waiting a few days after the report was released and then trying to gauge public opinion in order to levy a penalty. Laughable that a billion dollar industry operates in such a way.
Btw, slightly off subject. The Pats will f**k NBC and the NFL in the rear end on opening night. There will be no opening night party , no banner dropped, it will be awkward.

Given that Brady claimed not to even know one of the "culprits" was, they have every right to ask to check his phone and text records to see if he was lying. That he refused point blank suggests he had something to hide. It's always the cover up...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 13, 2015, 04:58:59 AM
Did anyone watch Jeopardy this evening to see Aaron Rodgers crush Shark Tank 'Mr. Wonderful' Ken O'Leary?  Don't know if he was guilty of Inflategate, but fun to watch him pummel he of the inflated ego.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 13, 2015, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 13, 2015, 04:58:59 AM
Did anyone watch Jeopardy this evening to see Aaron Rodgers crush Shark Tank 'Mr. Wonderful' Ken O'Leary?  Don't know if he was guilty of Inflategate, but fun to watch him pummel he of the inflated ego.

O'Leary is an absolute asshole!

Rodgers is a smart fecker a well as being the best yankee footballer on the planet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 14, 2015, 11:28:33 PM
So, according to the Pats, the word "Deflator" refers to someone's weight loss! Haven't really taken a lot of interest in this 'scandal,' but I loathe lying especially when it's brazen and insulting, so for having brass canuggis they should be walloped with the full penalty.  Lying Meechigan!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on May 15, 2015, 12:34:25 AM
Gasol back for the Bulls tonight thankfully.Badly missed him the last 2 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 15, 2015, 12:48:33 AM
Bad news for us, but maybe he'll run out of Gasol.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on May 15, 2015, 02:17:05 AM
Great team effort from Cleveland so far.The lesser lights getting it done for them.Bulls are in big trouble,3 pt shooting has been awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 15, 2015, 02:43:42 AM
Long way to go yet, but the Cavs' supporting cast is playing well.  LeBron has 4 fouls, and Irving is out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 15, 2015, 03:25:47 AM
Surprised the Bulls lacked sharpness and intensity.  Cavs 94-73, and how about that Gael Dellavedova? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on May 15, 2015, 03:28:24 AM
Bulls were so disappointing tonight but take nothing away from the Cavs who were worthy winners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 15, 2015, 10:04:48 PM
Some final quarter performance (without Harden) against the Clips, didn't know they had it in them. I'm just glad this is going to 7, meaning less rest for either team, if the Warriors get through to play them.

On that the Warriors have more than steadied the ship after the 2 losses. Curry really is the heartbeat (not shit) but when he's on form they are hard to stop. Hopefully they can finish the job tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 18, 2015, 04:27:23 AM
So, Everett Golson, the Notre Dame QB, will be announcing on Tuesday the school to which he will be transferring.  Looks like the QB situation in Tallahassee just got better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 18, 2015, 06:22:48 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 15, 2015, 10:04:48 PM
Some final quarter performance (without Harden) against the Clips, didn't know they had it in them. I'm just glad this is going to 7, meaning less rest for either team, if the Warriors get through to play them.

On that the Warriors have more than steadied the ship after the 2 losses. Curry really is the heartbeat (not shit) but when he's on form they are hard to stop. Hopefully they can finish the job tonight.

Only caught the last few mins where Clips tried to make a run. They finally paid the price for being paper thin on the bench. They have a great sixth man in Crawford but beyond that they've absolutely nothing. Doc trading for his D-League calibre son is an embarrassment.

Houston deserve credit for coming back from 3-1 down. Think I read it had only been done by 8 teams before them. They'll get annihilated by the Warriors though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 19, 2015, 05:48:12 PM
Hmmm. . . Everett Golson now delaying his college transfer announcement.  Maybe FSU should take down the celebratory maypole.  Maybe The Tide are interested now.

See that Golden State are 4/7 favourites to lift the NBA title.  Odds seem very short.  Pundits seem to believe they'll handle Houston with no bother since they clobbered them during the regular season.

Cavs will limp in to Atlanta on Weds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
Patriots not appealing their penalties, although Brady is still appealing. Surprised at that. Agreeing to losing draft picks is a big deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 19, 2015, 08:37:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
Patriots not appealing their penalties, although Brady is still appealing. Surprised at that. Agreeing to losing draft picks is a big deal.

I would say Kraft will be looking for a favour somewhere down the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 19, 2015, 08:38:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 19, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
Patriots not appealing their penalties, although Brady is still appealing. Surprised at that. Agreeing to losing draft picks is a big deal.

Particularly for a smart org like the Pats that don't f**k around with free agency.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on May 20, 2015, 09:59:20 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on May 15, 2015, 03:28:24 AM
Bulls were so disappointing tonight but take nothing away from the Cavs who were worthy winners.

Read a book there last year about Lebron James and the Cleveland area in general. The Whore of Akron. Take it LJ and the Cleveland fans have kissed and made up.
Book is well worth reading if you can stomach the gonzo(I think) style of writing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 20, 2015, 11:09:26 PM
Yeah, Cleveland took LeBron's departure to Miami very hard, at a time when when the Cavs had a shot at championship success, but even more than that was the manner of his departure, the 'Decision' announced in a nationally televised interview.  Clevelanders felt betrayed and humiliated.  But LeBron's story appears to be that of the Prodigal Son.  He chose to return to his roots, and though those potential championship years are gone, he has mended just about all of those broken bridges.  He could have gone elsewhere, but he chose to come home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 20, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
Dan Gilbert fairly swallowed his pride over it all!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 20, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
He ate more crow than a buzzard
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 21, 2015, 04:14:43 AM
JR Smith-benchwarmer?  No, bench burner.  Cavs beat the Hawks, but make it more exciting than it should have been.  Kyrie Irving and Dellavedova virtually invisible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 04:28:31 AM
What a massacre in Houston.  Golden State has a 30 pt. lead on the Rockets.  Paddy Power has them at 1/3 to win the NBA title, and frankly I can't see anyone beating them.  Hope I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 24, 2015, 04:57:59 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 04:28:31 AM
What a massacre in Houston.  Golden State has a 30 pt. lead on the Rockets.  Paddy Power has them at 1/3 to win the NBA title, and frankly I can't see anyone beating them.  Hope I'm wrong.

Hope you're right!

Just the 40 for Curry tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 24, 2015, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 04:28:31 AM
What a massacre in Houston.  Golden State has a 30 pt. lead on the Rockets.  Paddy Power has them at 1/3 to win the NBA title, and frankly I can't see anyone beating them.  Hope I'm wrong.

Would love to see the cavs do it but GS are in a different class what with the injury situation in Cleveland.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 05:41:45 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if the Cavs were to sweep the Hawks, a big maybe, without using Kyrie Irving, then maybe he'd have enough time off to recuperate enough to contribute because without Kyrie I see little hope of a win against the Warriors.  But first things first, we still have to beat Atlanta who can't possibly play as badly as they did in the last game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 24, 2015, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 05:41:45 PM
Maybe, just maybe, if the Cavs were to sweep the Hawks, a big maybe, without using Kyrie Irving, then maybe he'd have enough time off to recuperate enough to contribute because without Kyrie I see little hope of a win against the Warriors.  But first things first, we still have to beat Atlanta who can't possibly play as badly as they did in the last game.
Ehhh.. The Dubs are on a sweep also which would mean the finals would start pretty quick once both teams are through therefore giving no-one a rest.

Curry's shooting is a class apart. Last night he was superb. Now for all the pain over the years warrior fans are on the brink of a 1st NBA finals for 40 years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 07:46:48 PM
If Warrior fans are in pain, we Cleveland fans are either in agony or completely anaesthetized--I present to you the Browns, the Indians and the Cavaliers.  The only solace are the Buckeyes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 24, 2015, 08:47:43 PM
I would love to see either team win it, Curry is sensational at the minute,  the hustle against Howard last night for the rebound was unreal.  I have to say I have a soft spot for Andrew Bogut,  in a game of flash and bang he is my kinda man.  Solid as Ayres rock!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 24, 2015, 09:29:48 PM
If I weren't from Cleveland, I'd be rooting for Golden State myself.  Curry is amazing.  I swear, if he played Gaelic football, somebody would be assigned to take him out. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 24, 2015, 09:41:42 PM
Saw the tail end of the Maryland derby match in the lacrosse last night. Have never seen it before on tv and it was pretty entertaining stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 01:23:50 AM
The popularity of LAX is exploding in high schools.  Exciting sport, but it's not hurling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 02:05:20 AM
Miserable start by the Cavs.  LeBron has missed his first ten shots.  I can shoot 0/10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 25, 2015, 03:06:26 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 02:05:20 AM
Miserable start by the Cavs.  LeBron has missed his first ten shots.  I can shoot 0/10.

;D ;D

Very occasionally I can go as high as 1/10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
I'm exhausted and I was just sitting in a chair.  Cavs eke out a win.  LeBron had the worst start of his pro career, but we won.  Let's get this series over and recuperate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 25, 2015, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
I'm exhausted and I was just sitting in a chair.  Cavs eke out a win.  LeBron had the worst start of his pro career, but we won.  Let's get this series over and recuperate.

He won and got a triple double in the process! LeBron's ability to get out of an in-game slump is remarkable! You'd fear for the Cavs more than ever against GSW. Letting the Hawks run up 111 without Korver and, for most of the game, Horford, does not bode well. LeBron looked absolutely shattered by the end last night too. GSW in 5 I'm going to predict for the finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 25, 2015, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
I'm exhausted and I was just sitting in a chair.  Cavs eke out a win.  LeBron had the worst start of his pro career, but we won.  Let's get this series over and recuperate.

LBJ is better than Jordan imho, what he is doing right now has never been done in terms of one player simply willing his team over the line, Jordan always had the likes of Pippen and Rodman but LBJ has no one near that ilk due to injury.

Golden State will probably win it all, but they are going to have to take care of Le Bron, good luck doing that.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 25, 2015, 05:05:42 PM
Quote from: stew on May 25, 2015, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
I'm exhausted and I was just sitting in a chair.  Cavs eke out a win.  LeBron had the worst start of his pro career, but we won.  Let's get this series over and recuperate.

LBJ is better than Jordan imho, what he is doing right now has never been done in terms of one player simply willing his team over the line, Jordan always had the likes of Pippen and Rodman but LBJ has no one near that ilk due to injury.

Golden State will probably win it all, but they are going to have to take care of Le Bron, good luck doing that.

GSW were the best defensive team in the league, they'll manage alright.

LeBron is getting plenty of help, just not from people who'll go down as great players. Despite the loss of Love and Irving, the Cavs couldn't gave dreamed of the Mozgov and JR trades working out any better.

Re LeBron-Jordan, I don't think it's a favourable comparison for LBJ. As incredible as he is, Jordan literally didn't have any faults in his game, other than perhaps being too competitive. Lebron is probably already top five all time and will probably be #2 by the end of it all, but I still think Jordan will reign supreme. If he can somehow drag the Cavs this title, it would match any individual achievement of Jordan I think though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 26, 2015, 02:37:40 AM
Well, the Houston Rockets decided to show up.  Scored 45 points in the first quarter!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 26, 2015, 04:41:58 AM
Curry got some bang there.
Very hard to come back after that 1st quarter but tried all the way through. Back to Oakland Wed   
Need to close it out there or I'll get very nervous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 26, 2015, 04:47:55 AM
Wonder if Curry would have been allowed to return if it had been the NFL and the doctors had been neutral.  Boy, it was raining 3-pointers.  Cavs definitely need to close out Atlanta tomorrow if they are to avoid a blow-out by the GSW.  That's some sharp-shooting tea,
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 26, 2015, 08:32:34 AM
GSW paid for being complacent early on
Kerr was clearly seething with them. If anything though, will probably help them long term to get a bit of a kick now rather than in the finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 08:54:04 AM
Did not anticipate a sweep for Cleveland. Remarkable for Lebron to be going to fifth straight finals. Irving looked decent last night and a big rest after the sweep will be huge for them in the finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Refreshing that one of the perennials won't be winning the NBA championship this year. Two teams emerging for different reasons this year. Both great stories.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Refreshing that one of the perennials won't be winning the NBA championship this year. Two teams emerging for different reasons this year. Both great stories.

Not sure I buy that. Lebron is a perennial and Cleveland is Lebron.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 27, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
Very happy that this series did not drag on.  Good to see Kyrie on the court again, but he's still nowhere near the old Kyrie, and in this shape there's no way he'll be able to guard Steph Curry. I don't know how much he'll improve with eight days' rest.  Cleveland has gone so so long without a championship, but with Paddy Power offering GSW at 1/3, it doesn't seem that punters have any faith in a Cavs championship.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on May 27, 2015, 04:30:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 27, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
Very happy that this series did not drag on.  Good to see Kyrie on the court again, but he's still nowhere near the old Kyrie, and in this shape there's no way he'll be able to guard Steph Curry. I don't know how much he'll improve with eight days' rest.  Cleveland has gone so so long without a championship, but with Paddy Power offering GSW at 1/3, it doesn't seem that punters have any faith in a Cavs championship.

Lebron will have to play out of his mind for the Cavs to beat the Warriors but it's certainly possible that he could win a game or two almost by himself. Cavs will need Irving to step it up if they have any hope. He's their only other player who could potentially win a game by himself. You would have to fancy that the Warriors will have far too much depth for them over 7 games though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 27, 2015, 06:11:47 PM
I hope I'm wrong but the Dubs are not in the final yet. Maybe it's all the years of following them and seeing them screw everything up but someone will eventually come back from a 0-3 deficit to win, hope that's not in this series.
Listening to everyone last night talking about a Cavs Warriors final is great locker room material for the Rockets. Let's hope the Warriors close out tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 27, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Refreshing that one of the perennials won't be winning the NBA championship this year. Two teams emerging for different reasons this year. Both great stories.

Not sure I buy that. Lebron is a perennial and Cleveland is Lebron.

But Cleveland are the city where titles have had no home for so long. Lebron winning one going home would be an incredible story particularly after 'The Decision'. He could have stayed in Miami if he wanted the easy life and easier titles. That he went home made me respect him even more as a player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2015, 06:39:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 27, 2015, 12:50:45 PM
Refreshing that one of the perennials won't be winning the NBA championship this year. Two teams emerging for different reasons this year. Both great stories.

Not sure I buy that. Lebron is a perennial and Cleveland is Lebron.

But Cleveland are the city where titles have had no home for so long. Lebron winning one going home would be an incredible story particularly after 'The Decision'. He could have stayed in Miami if he wanted the easy life and easier titles. That he went home made me respect him even more as a player.

I get that. Sort of. Miami were done and LeBron knew it. The Spurs should have beaten them in 2013 save for a shot for the ages from Ray Allen (and LeBron obviously) and then beat up on them last year. Wade and, to a lesser extent Bosh, had been creaking for a good while.

Quote from: Oraisteach on May 27, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
Very happy that this series did not drag on.  Good to see Kyrie on the court again, but he's still nowhere near the old Kyrie, and in this shape there's no way he'll be able to guard Steph Curry. I don't know how much he'll improve with eight days' rest.  Cleveland has gone so so long without a championship, but with Paddy Power offering GSW at 1/3, it doesn't seem that punters have any faith in a Cavs championship.

Kyrie improved as a defender this year to the point where he was approaching competent but he's still nowhere near the level required to guard Curry. I imagine Shumpert's minutes will go up in the Finals to help out on D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 27, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
Right now, Kyrie lacks explosiveness.  Defensively, Curry could blow by him in a flash.  Offensively, he is no threat to dart to the hoop, so therefore much easier to guard.  Syf is right.  The LeBron story is a fairy tale of redemption.  We've won squat since 1964.  You can't imagine the jolt of good feeling a Cavs championship would mean for Cleveland.  It's a long shot, but we are in the final.  A win would silence the 'Mistake on the Lake' sneerers and unleash unimaginable euphoria. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 07:38:02 PM
I don't disagree, I just don't think it's going to happen as even if the Cavs weren't a field hospital, the Warriors are just too good. The window is smaller than you'd think, even with the cap going up significantly after next season.

After The Decision and his subsequent return, it's unthinkable that LeBron could leave again, but he's certain to waive his option this summer and Cleveland have a lot of work to do putting a team together for the next couple of years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 27, 2015, 09:47:38 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 27, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
Right now, Kyrie lacks explosiveness.  Defensively, Curry could blow by him in a flash.  Offensively, he is no threat to dart to the hoop, so therefore much easier to guard.  Syf is right.  The LeBron story is a fairy tale of redemption.  We've won squat since 1964.  You can't imagine the jolt of good feeling a Cavs championship would mean for Cleveland.  It's a long shot, but we are in the final.  A win would silence the 'Mistake on the Lake' sneerers and unleash unimaginable euphoria.

No City with the possibleexception of Buffalo deserves a title more than Cleveland, GS are tremendous but the Cavs have the best player on the planet averaging a huge triple double night in night out.

Jordan dragged an excellent Bull team over the finish line, this Cavs team are not in that class but to me, if LBJ can beat a team of this calibre with what he has at his disposal then to me he has to be the games greatest player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 27, 2015, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: stew on May 25, 2015, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
I'm exhausted and I was just sitting in a chair.  Cavs eke out a win.  LeBron had the worst start of his pro career, but we won.  Let's get this series over and recuperate.

LBJ is better than Jordan imho, what he is doing right now has never been done in terms of one player simply willing his team over the line, Jordan always had the likes of Pippen and Rodman but LBJ has no one near that ilk due to injury.

Golden State will probably win it all, but they are going to have to take care of Le Bron, good luck doing that.

All Rodman did was rebound, he couldn't score. Jordan retired and then came back and won 3 championships. Don't see LBJ ever matching Jordan's accomplishments, Jordan a brilliant defensive player too. The East is very weak this year, Jordan's Bulls had the Pistons & Knicks to contend with.

LBJ is something else though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 27, 2015, 10:06:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 27, 2015, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: stew on May 25, 2015, 04:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 25, 2015, 04:38:51 AM
I'm exhausted and I was just sitting in a chair.  Cavs eke out a win.  LeBron had the worst start of his pro career, but we won.  Let's get this series over and recuperate.

LBJ is better than Jordan imho, what he is doing right now has never been done in terms of one player simply willing his team over the line, Jordan always had the likes of Pippen and Rodman but LBJ has no one near that ilk due to injury.

Golden State will probably win it all, but they are going to have to take care of Le Bron, good luck doing that.

All Rodman did was rebound, he couldn't score. Jordan retired and then came back and won 3 championships. Don't see LBJ ever matching Jordan's accomplishments, Jordan a brilliant defensive player too. The East is very weak this year, Jordan's Bulls had the Pistons & Knicks to contend with.

LBJ is something else though.

Bollocks, Rodman did a lot more than rebound for that team, he was a nightmare matchup defensively and he was the best rebounder on the planet, he fought for every ball and was a key factor in their wins.

Lets be honest here, Jordan never retired, he was caught gambling on games and he was told to fcuk off for a while. Scotty Pippen was also some pup come to think of it.

Finally, Jordan was brilliant no doubt but LBJ has 10 good years left in him, he could win another five titles, this is his fifth finals in a row, some going.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 27, 2015, 10:14:33 PM
I just wish LBJ had have been born in Armagh, we would have ten AI's by now!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 27, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
Rodman could indeed do more than rebound. He won DPOY several times if I recall correctly. Jordan also won DPOY. As for his retirement being due to gambling, that's little more than urban myth and conspiracy theory. Don't underestimate the fact his father has been murdered the previous year. He'd won three titles and three Finals MVPs in a row. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt in devising he'd had enough.

LeBron is otherworldly, but there's evidence to suggest that, while still absolutely outrageous, we may have seen the best of him. His efficiency this year has dropped remarkably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 28, 2015, 04:19:42 AM
Rockets doing all they can to hand this to GS with all the turnovers. Tough game to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 28, 2015, 05:11:45 AM
That was hard to watch. Harden did everything to hand it to them and the Dubs struggled to get daylight between them but then They Finally got a run. Great win. Will be a good finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 28, 2015, 05:51:01 AM
Darn.  As if it wasn't tough enough already, Charles Barkley predicts that the Cavs will be NBA champions. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 28, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 28, 2015, 05:51:01 AM
Darn.  As if it wasn't tough enough already, Charles Barkley predicts that the Cavs will be NBA champions.

Barkley is a moron. He made an absolute twat of himself earlier in the season ranting about analytics guys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2015, 10:15:37 AM
Some setup in the NHL playoffs. Blackhawks tied it up and must go to Anaheim in game 7. The previous night the Rangers got the win in game 6 in Tampa to bring it home for game 7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on May 28, 2015, 10:27:21 AM
First time both conference finals have went to game 7 since 2000.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 28, 2015, 10:57:16 AM
Didn't sit up to watch last nights game, but the finals will be something else.  A straight shoot out between Curry and LBJ in many ways but if Kyrie is managed properly then he will have a big say in it.  JR and Mozgov have worked out well as has been stated but in Green, Klay Thompson, Barnes and Livingston the GSW have probably a few more scoring threats.  LBJ will have to play at a level he never has before but I wouldn't rule that out.  He and Curry are playing like men possessed at the minute and the X factor from either of them can inspire those around them.  Looking forward to it big time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 28, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
Up the Dubs!

Curry and Thompson are going to be renamed the bash or clash bros after the hits/falls they've had in the last 2 games!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 28, 2015, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 28, 2015, 03:39:52 PM
Up the Dubs!

Curry and Thompson are going to be renamed the bash or clash bros after the hits/falls they've had in the last 2 games!

Two nasty looking ones alright that they were lucky to cone away from with no harm done. Klay stepping up last night could be huge for the warriors, as he hadn't shone anywhere near as brightly in the playoffs as he did in regular season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 28, 2015, 06:04:01 PM
The warriors have great depth this year. I thought at the start of the year that they didn't have enough star power in the starters to be a genuine contender but as the year rolled out Curry has stepped up in that department. Been great to watch his development over the last few years as well as Klay and Green. Last night the 'others' played their part with Barnes, Iggy & Ezeli putting in great shifts. Barnes's 7pt run gave them that bit of daylight in the 4th to push on.
I do however think that this year was thrown wide open with all the injuries at OKC/Clippers, the fact that Spurs are getting old and the split of the big three in Miami. Long may this last as it's great to see the less popular teams make it through. A few years ago you would be given a hard time for waring a Warriors hat but now everyone is wearing Warriors gear around here, great to see. Im sure its the same in Cleveland and whoever wins I'll be happy for, just a lot more happy if its the Dubs  ;)

Roll on next Thurs and the Roracal will be hopping!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 29, 2015, 07:10:35 AM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/veterans-affairs-the-uneasy-marriage-of-military-money-and-the-nfl/

Good article form Charlie Pierce about the connection between the military and the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 29, 2015, 03:27:21 PM
Yeah, this is exactly what I was on about. It's all lip service and false patriotism. And now it transpires that the services actually pay for these tributes, so it means even less. All it is is advertising for other young men to join up, because the NFL will thank you for your service. (for a fee).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 29, 2015, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 28, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 28, 2015, 05:51:01 AM
Darn.  As if it wasn't tough enough already, Charles Barkley predicts that the Cavs will be NBA champions.

Barkley is a moron. He made an absolute twat of himself earlier in the season ranting about analytics guys.

Barkley is brilliant, he gives not one shite what you think of him and since when do analytics guys have all the answers?

Maybe Orais he said that because Cleveland have the best player on the planet playing for them at the top of his game?

I think they will lose 4-2 but James is on a different level than anyone else. Go Cavs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 29, 2015, 04:49:54 PM
Quote from: stew on May 29, 2015, 04:22:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 28, 2015, 07:27:22 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 28, 2015, 05:51:01 AM
Darn.  As if it wasn't tough enough already, Charles Barkley predicts that the Cavs will be NBA champions.

Barkley is a moron. He made an absolute twat of himself earlier in the season ranting about analytics guys.

Barkley is brilliant, he gives not one shite what you think of him and since when do analytics guys have all the answers?

Maybe Orais he said that because Cleveland have the best player on the planet playing for them at the top of his game?

I think they will lose 4-2 but James is on a different level than anyone else. Go Cavs!

He's not a great analyst or pundit at all. He definitely doesn't care what I think of him. Nor does he give a shite about your support for him for that matter. Barkley's comments were along the lines of "analytics guys were just ugly kids with no talent who couldn't get the girls in high school" and were widely panned. You don't think that's pathetic?

Where did anyone say analytics guys had all the answers? Analytics are a feature of pro sport these days, particularly so in MLB, the NBA and the NFL and they're here to stay. The value they add is clear for all to see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2015, 12:24:41 PM
Great News, and a sensible venue, both for atmosphere/crowd size and for minimal impact on Croker. In fact if the GAA have any cop on, they'll piggyback shamelessly and try get visitors from Boston or Georgia to go to a game in Croker as well.

http://www.the42.ie/college-american-football-2016-aviva-stadium-2139432-Jun2015/ (http://www.the42.ie/college-american-football-2016-aviva-stadium-2139432-Jun2015/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2015, 12:55:34 PM
Good news
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 04, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
Game 1 tonight. Will the Warriors be able to hold LBJ, how fit is Irving, will JR get into a shooting streek. All questions from a Warriors fan for the past 15 years (14 of them painful). Can Curry dominate outside, is Klay ready to go. Can Draymond hold the King?
This is going to be a great series. Will be great for either city to win and I think all warrior fans would be behind the Cavs if the Warriors were not here. Warriors have to win tonight to settle nerves as no one on the roster has been here before. Looking forward to this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 04, 2015, 03:54:12 PM
Is it on TV in Ireland I wonder? Never watch basketball, but I'm a little intrigued by Oraisteach and Muck Savage's excitement :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 04, 2015, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 04, 2015, 03:54:12 PM
Is it on TV in Ireland I wonder? Never watch basketball, but I'm a little intrigued by Oraisteach and Muck Savage's excitement :)

It's on BTSport,  really looking forward to it,  Muck Savage is right GSW need a first night win to settle the nerves.  If the Cavs get a good start and LBJ gets his mojo working I think they can sneak it even though GSW are the better all round roster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 04, 2015, 04:26:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 04, 2015, 03:54:12 PM
Is it on TV in Ireland I wonder? Never watch basketball, but I'm a little intrigued by Oraisteach and Muck Savage's excitement :)

The last time the Warriors were in the finals was 1975, when you and I were fairly small. I've been at games when they were getting hammered by back-up teams and when they were struggling to get double digit wins in the season.

Longer for Cleveland since they won something so it's a little unique
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 04, 2015, 04:28:35 PM
I remember the Warriors being absolute muck (no offence :) ) when I was in Phoenix. Themselves and the Clippers were a joke.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: laceer on June 04, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
Always had a soft spot for the Warriors. Chris Mullins and Tim Hardaway were decent for them at one stage in the 90s. LeBron is an animal though - such a player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 04, 2015, 07:59:09 PM
Can't wait for this. This is my first season really into basketball. The woman's cousin is a Warriors fan so jumped on the bandwagon. Went to a game last year and was hooked. The only thing I knew about the Warriors before that was they had the best 3 point shooters in NBA Jam!

As for tonight, like others say Warriors really need to get the win. I'd say the Cav's are coming in thinking if we can snatch one of the 1st 2 it's on. I never thought the Cav's were serious title contenders even with a a fit Love and Irving but with LBJ you can never count them out. Look at the difference he has made. The Cav's went from a 33-49 team to 53-29 and Miami went from 54-28 and 37-45. Heat made it to the final in 2014 and the Cav's are obviously in this one, there is one common denominator.

I can't see anyone one Warrior trying to guard him, think it'll be a mixture of Green (mostly), Barnes and Iggy. Hopefully Curry and Thompson are on their games from the start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 04, 2015, 10:18:51 PM
I really don't think Cleveland have a hope. Warriors in five.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 05, 2015, 02:38:13 AM
I have a bad feeling the Cavs will win this in 4 or 7. Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 05, 2015, 03:22:29 AM
Didn't like that collapse before the half by the Cavs, but Kyrie's knee is holding up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 05, 2015, 04:36:44 AM
OT. Ball in LBJ's hands for the last shot.  Can't ask for anything else.  Awesome block by Irving on Curry's lay-up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 05, 2015, 04:39:06 AM
Wow overtime it is. LBJ giving a mr universe performance.
I think my heart stopped when that ball went up just before the buzzer.

Kudos to Irving for the block on curry before that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 05, 2015, 04:49:30 AM
Cav's done?

Dubs up by 10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 05, 2015, 04:50:13 AM
Miserable OT for the Cavs and Kyrie injured.  We let this game get away.  Shiite!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 05, 2015, 04:50:40 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 05, 2015, 03:22:29 AM
but Kyrie's knee is holding up.

Spoke too soon
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 05, 2015, 05:00:14 AM
Hard to watch, didn't know if I should sit, stand kneel or walk around the room. LBJ is an unreal player and I feel sorry for him after that performance.

Warriors need that win and for most of regulation they look in trouble. The bench won it for them, pulled back that 14 puts in the first half. With Irving gone will be a bonus, even though you hate to see someone injured.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 05, 2015, 10:32:57 PM
Fractured kneecap for Irving - out for 3/4 months
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 05, 2015, 11:11:32 PM
Massive blow for the Cavs with Irving's injury.Really up against it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 05, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
BELIEVE!!!!!!

LBJ will have a say in this series, he does need help from a bench that got it's ass kicked last night but the great one's always have a say, that said he now has one of the weakest suporting casts in NBA history given the injuries to two stars on that team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 05, 2015, 11:40:42 PM
Quote from: stew on June 05, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
BELIEVE!!!!!!

LBJ will have a say in this series, he does need help from a bench that got it's ass kicked last night but the great one's always have a say, that said he now has one of the weakest suporting casts in NBA history given the injuries to two stars on that team.

He had a big say last night with 40 odd points and that still wasn't enough, add in Curry and Thompson didn't really fire on on cylinders, Cav's injuries and lack of depth...this will be done in 5 if not 4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 06, 2015, 05:05:49 PM
Stew, thanks for buoying my hopes, but with Kyrie done I think that's it.  Grim is too rosy an outlook.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 06, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Sweet Jesus, is it last man out to turn the lights off at the 49ers? Dropping left right and centre. Looks like it might be a long season ahead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 06, 2015, 10:49:39 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 06, 2015, 10:43:10 PM
Sweet Jesus, is it last man out to turn the lights off at the 49ers? Dropping left right and centre. Looks like it might be a long season ahead.

They must offer a hell of a 401k!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 08, 2015, 01:28:54 AM
Game 2 for the other Bay Area team. Different mood tonight with Irving gone. From a point of this will be difficult in Game 1 to when are they going to explode.....seems like now with that 3 from Barbosa.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 08, 2015, 03:59:43 AM
2 games in a row the Cav have the last shot to win and a follow up. James is carrying this team on his back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 08, 2015, 04:23:37 AM
Bad shot selection by curry but the Cavs deserved it. Onto game 3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2015, 04:26:27 AM
That was intense.

Curry having his worst game in a long time. Lebron massive again, even though he should've had it won in regular time.

Makes it very interesting. Agree muck Cavs fully deserved it and if had not been for Clay it would been a blow out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 08, 2015, 04:56:04 AM
J.r. Smith doing his level best to gift this one to GS.  Glad he's not a  knick anymore!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 08, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
You're absolutely right, Muck.  Twice, at the end of regulation, LBJ had the ball in his hands to win the first two games.  In the first, the Cavs folded in the face of a relentless GS attack and a much deeper GS bench.  In the second, well, I've no idea how they pulled it out.  I'll say this, with Irving out and the prospect of Dellavedova guarding Curry, I was singing 'Goodnight, Irene' , but  Delly played a hell of a game sticking to Curry like glue.  Way to go Cavs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 08, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 08, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
You're absolutely right, Muck.  Twice, at the end of regulation, LBJ had the ball in his hands to win the first two games.  In the first, the Cavs folded in the face of a relentless GS attack and a much deeper GS bench.  In the second, well, I've no idea how they pulled it out.  I'll say this, with Irving out and the prospect of Dellavedova guarding Curry, I was singing 'Goodnight, Irene' , but  Delly played a hell of a game sticking to Curry like glue.  Way to go Cavs!

I could barely watch this, I wanted the Cavs to win so badly I could taste it, I thought the calls went, for the most part, Golden States way and I have never seen a player of LBJ's stature get less obvious calls than he did.

The problem is GS will adjust and there is no way on earth that Curry will have another night like last night, he will be all business and I expect GS to push on and win the series 4-1 or 4-2, I hope I am wrong.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 08, 2015, 03:54:09 PM
Surely going to GS and forcing OT twice and wining one is a fantastic outcome for a battered Cleveland team? Despite the injuries GS have been unable to put any distance between the teams. It's GS that have it all to do now heading to Ohio.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 08, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2015, 03:54:09 PM
Surely going to GS and forcing OT twice and wining one is a fantastic outcome for a battered Cleveland team? Despite the injuries GS have been unable to put any distance between the teams. It's GS that have it all to do now heading to Ohio.

Nope, sadly they have not got out of second gear yet!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 08, 2015, 04:02:13 PM
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2015, 03:37:57 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 08, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
You're absolutely right, Muck.  Twice, at the end of regulation, LBJ had the ball in his hands to win the first two games.  In the first, the Cavs folded in the face of a relentless GS attack and a much deeper GS bench.  In the second, well, I've no idea how they pulled it out.  I'll say this, with Irving out and the prospect of Dellavedova guarding Curry, I was singing 'Goodnight, Irene' , but  Delly played a hell of a game sticking to Curry like glue.  Way to go Cavs!

I could barely watch this, I wanted the Cavs to win so badly I could taste it, I thought the calls went, for the most part, Golden States way and I have never seen a player of LBJ's stature get less obvious calls than he did.

The problem is GS will adjust and there is no way on earth that Curry will have another night like last night, he will be all business and I expect GS to push on and win the series 4-1 or 4-2, I hope I am wrong.
I think you're right there stew - theres no way GS can play like they did now on Tuesday night. The Cavs and LBJ missed two opportunities to win the game both nights. I can't see them taking more than one other game in the series. Battered and bruised and GS play a very dirty game. Within the rules but not the kind of game you enjoy at times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2015, 03:54:09 PM
Surely going to GS and forcing OT twice and wining one is a fantastic outcome for a battered Cleveland team? Despite the injuries GS have been unable to put any distance between the teams. It's GS that have it all to do now heading to Ohio.

Houston did the same, then got blown away at home
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 10, 2015, 04:50:31 AM
Quote from: stew on June 08, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2015, 03:54:09 PM
Surely going to GS and forcing OT twice and wining one is a fantastic outcome for a battered Cleveland team? Despite the injuries GS have been unable to put any distance between the teams. It's GS that have it all to do now heading to Ohio.

Nope, sadly they have not got out of second gear yet!

They would want to find third gear fast so.. the clock's definitely on GSW now. Losing three in a row and still winning the series seems very unlikely so Game 4 looks to be the pivot the title will turn on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 10, 2015, 05:06:39 AM
GSW continuing to shoot 3's when they are not going in. Even on 2-1 or 3-2 fast breaks they shoot 3's rather than go for the high percentage. They have to get that fixed. Only shining light is that Curry got hot for the 1st time in this series in the 4th and D Lee came in to switch things up. That's the way they have to go in game 4. Hats off to LBJ and the Aussie, playing superb and deserved the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 10, 2015, 05:09:39 AM
Doubt the warriors take another game in the series. Cavs have them figured out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 10, 2015, 05:42:01 AM
After 3rd quarter thought this definitely over in 5, which I never thought possible. Introduction of David Lee and Curry finding his touch gives me something to hold onto.

Have the Cav injuries done them a favor? In that everything needs to go  through Lebron. Dellavedova or whatever you call him had the game of his life. He is such a pest and I still have no idea how he made that shot.

Warriors don't win game 4 it's over
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
The Cavs mantra may be 'All In' but I'm All Stunned!  They look like a MASH unit out there but still manage to eke a victory.  When GSW reduced a 20 pt. lead to one, I was sliding into a Cleveland stoical acceptance of inevitable defeat. So thrilled, but there's a long way to go.  As a longtime Cleveland fan (lived there since 79), and a witness to 36 championship-free years in the big three sports, I am excited by gawa's final post and agree with Syf that game four will be pivotal.  For the first time I feel we actually have a chance to win this thing.  And what about the Delly-lama working his magic? The kid is like an aggressive Chihuahua staring down a pit bull.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
I reckon if Delly had an O Neills in his hand instead of a Spalding he'd make a brilliant half back or half forward. His work rate is unreal and his hustle ball was real championship play. That ball he dived on after LBJ missed the jump shot summed up how he plays and how Cavs will win this. Curry wilting under the pressure a bit and LBJ showing why he is the best in the business. They've got under GSW skins and have set up a great system to curtail their offence. As the old phrase goes great forwards win games, great defences win championships.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 10, 2015, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
I reckon if Delly had an O Neills in his hand instead of a Spalding he'd make a brilliant half back or half forward. His work rate is unreal and his hustle ball was real championship play. That ball he dived on after LBJ missed the jump shot summed up how he plays and how Cavs will win this. Curry wilting under the pressure a bit and LBJ showing why he is the best in the business. They've got under GSW skins and have set up a great system to curtail their offence. As the old phrase goes great forwards win games, great defences win championships.

LBJ and co will win game four, they should be 3-0 up right now and to me the GSW's cannot find the mentality they need to turn this team over, they continue to allow LBJ to do as he wishes and unless they get down and dirty in the trenches like the Cavs are they are going to lose. The thing is, you canot simply turn your mindset on and off, I believe they bought into the press that told them they were sure thing!


Le Bron is the best player I have ever seen period, end of, what he is doing to a great team like like is nothing short of amazing and no other player in history would have theses lads 2-1 up against a team of this calibre.

I am by no means a fan of Cleveland but I am pulling hard for them, it would mean so much to the people who have suffered for what seems like forever and being an Armagh fan, I have known their pain! GO CAVS.

Orais, dare to dream my friend, you lot are winning the NBA finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 10, 2015, 04:32:14 PM
Stew you are pushing it to say GSW are a "great team"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 04:59:42 PM
Thanks for the encouragement, Stew, and as a Clevelanders this does remind me of Armagh in 2002.  All we need is a pep talk by Big Joe and Oisin McConville toggling out at point at point guard.  And with Dellavedova being a Gael, what more can I say.

Whatever about the term 'great', Minder, GSW havebeen great this year.  Curry and Thompson have been lethal from beyond the arc, and through every game I wait for them to shoot the lights out.  Nobody has come close to them this year.  In my books, that makes them a great team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 10, 2015, 05:08:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 10, 2015, 04:32:14 PM
Stew you are pushing it to say GSW are a "great team"

They are great, they have the greatest pre shooter the game has ever seen and are stacked at every position and can go 11 deep if needs be, they are being outhustled and outcoached so far and they are playing like they can hit the next gear with no trouble, they cant, the mindset was wrong from the get go, Cleveland players are prepared to kill themselves for each other and I firmly believe that they will win game four, LBJ and co will find a way to get this done if the refs dont get in their way!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 10, 2015, 05:17:57 PM
Holy God - a "great team" that has won absolutely nothing. I know you're excited stew but I think you're several storeys ott!

We'll see what GSW are made of in the next game. They need to win it badly and they just might.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 10, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
This is what the NBA finals are all about. I love the best of 7 approach. Very exciting series to watch, edge of the seat stuff and I am waiting nervously on the Cavs to implode but praying they don't.
Have the Mrs cheering for them now too and she never liked basketball really. Bring on game 4!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on June 10, 2015, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 10, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
This is what the NBA finals are all about. I love the best of 7 approach. Very exciting series to watch, edge of the seat stuff and I am waiting nervously on the Cavs to implode but praying they don't.
Have the Mrs cheering for them now too and she never liked basketball really. Bring on game 4!!!

I am afraid to say anything.

I spent a summer in Cleveland and my extended family will be up the walls.

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
Seanie, if I were a gambling man, I'd probably still bet on GSW.

But I do have to quibble with your notion of greatness.  In my view, there are plenty of great teams that have won nothing.  In your view, I'm sure, then they were not great.  But to define greatness solely on championships won is to fall prey to media hype and a narrow definition of greatness.

In 1995, the Cleveland Indians finished the season with a record of 100-44 and won their division by 30 games. In the playoffs they swept the Red Sox and went to the World Series (hate that term) against the Atlanta Braves. They lost the series in six, losing Game 1 2-1 and Game 6 1-0.  They just didn't hit in those two games, even though their lineup included Manny Ramirez, Albert Belle and Kenny Lofton.  They were still a great team.  It's just that on those two particular days, Atlanta was better.

On a more mundane level, I used to coach a high school quiz team.  In the state competition (164 teams, I think), we reached the final.  We had a great team, and we squared off against another great team, but with nine questions left we were losing by eight.  Luckily, my whiz kid went nuts and answered all nine questions.  We lifted the state title and in the annals of Ohio state quiz greatness, the other team vanished into oblivion. But, believe me, they were a great team, as good as we were, and on another day . . . .

We were a great team, but up to that point had won no championships, so did we suddenly become great simply because we won the title.  Not in my view.

Golden State is a great team, not yet in the realm of the Bulls, Celtics or Lakers of old, but great nonetheless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 06:25:16 PM
Good man, Iceman.  I love these pockets of Cleveland support.  Muppet, I'm guessing you stayed on the West Side, in Lakewood perhaps.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on June 10, 2015, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 06:25:16 PM
Good man, Iceman.  I love these pockets of Cleveland support.  Muppet, I'm guessing you stayed on the West Side, in Lakewood perhaps.

Exactly right!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 10, 2015, 06:57:54 PM
Outside of LBJ I'm kinda like some of the guys in that I'm pulling for the Cavs as I see a lot of the spirit that was in Armagh in 2002 but moreso like the teams I played on.  They're a group of grinders with a gilt edge, hard workers who are going the extra step.  Blatt too seems to have a real hard edge about him(not surprisingly really given his background, don't like give her dixie in here!!!) but I think so far he has won the battle of the sideline, although he does seem to be LBJs no 2 as opposed to the coach!!!  I really hope that they pull it over the line and if they win game 4 I can only see 1 result.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 10, 2015, 08:11:07 PM
Its amazing what a couple of games does. After game 1, 0-1 down and Irving out everyone was saying lights out on the Cavs. Today they are touching the Championship. They have shown an unreal aggressiveness and hunger to win, and I love to see that in a team. They only played with only 7 player last night and Deli spent last night in hospital due to sever dehydration. I've always though the Jordan was the best player ever but if LBJ pulls this off then he overtakes him in  my eyes.

The problem for me all this is against the Dubs. GS need to find something, that lack of experience is telling right now. They have to win the first quarter tomorrow (they haven't lead at the end of any quarter in regulation time). They have to be aggressive and stop kicking out all high percentage shot opportunities for three pointers. Get into a rhythm with 2's and the 3 pointers will fall, right now they are trying to force the 3 point shot. The Cavs have put pressure on them but some of the shot choices and misses last night were poor. David Lee offered much more intelligence on the ball when he came in last night and Curry began to fire. I know I'm grasping right now but I've gotta cling onto something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on June 10, 2015, 08:40:08 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
Seanie, if I were a gambling man, I'd probably still bet on GSW.

But I do have to quibble with your notion of greatness.  In my view, there are plenty of great teams that have won nothing.  In your view, I'm sure, then they were not great.  But to define greatness solely on championships won is to fall prey to media hype and a narrow definition of greatness.

In 1995, the Cleveland Indians finished the season with a record of 100-44 and won their division by 30 games. In the playoffs they swept the Red Sox and went to the World Series (hate that term) against the Atlanta Braves. They lost the series in six, losing Game 1 2-1 and Game 6 1-0.  They just didn't hit in those two games, even though their lineup included Manny Ramirez, Albert Belle and Kenny Lofton.  They were still a great team.  It's just that on those two particular days, Atlanta was better.

On a more mundane level, I used to coach a high school quiz team.  In the state competition (164 teams, I think), we reached the final.  We had a great team, and we squared off against another great team, but with nine questions left we were losing by eight.  Luckily, my whiz kid went nuts and answered all nine questions.  We lifted the state title and in the annals of Ohio state quiz greatness, the other team vanished into oblivion. But, believe me, they were a great team, as good as we were, and on another day . . . .

We were a great team, but up to that point had won no championships, so did we suddenly become great simply because we won the title.  Not in my view.

Golden State is a great team, not yet in the realm of the Bulls, Celtics or Lakers of old, but great nonetheless.

Oraisteach

A argument well made but can't agree that a great team doesn't necessarily need to win a championship - surely this is the benchmark for measuring a team's greatness. Whilst I would think you can't judge a great player on championships won, surely the way to measure a great team is by what it means.

Think of the great sports teams in history - Kerry in the 70s, Liverpool in the 80s, United in the 90s, the pats, the Bulls - what made these teams great was the championships they won!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
Muck, I wouldn't be despondent yet.  As Syf said, it's all about Game 4.  If the Cavs pull it off, then it's time to find straws to clutch at, but if the Dubs win, I think they're home and dried. 

String, the teams you list are undoubtedly their sports' greats, but sometimes great teams are camouflaged in the shadow of the GREATS.

In a different sense, GSW is a great team, perhaps not of the calibre of the teams you list, but great nevertheless.  Their performance this year, particularly in the tough Western Conference, was undeniably great, so I guess greatness is a relative term.  A team can be great in the history of a sport, but greatness can be achieved within a season.

Hobbled as they are, there is a Cinderella greatness about the Cavs too, but only if they pull off the seemingly impossible.  But if they do, I wonder how much time will be spent debating whether or not LBJ is the greatest ever, and how little will be spent on the side players who played out of their skins with the never-say-die grit that bc talks about.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 11, 2015, 12:51:18 AM
Why do yiz  all keep referring to GS as "the dubs"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 11, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
I would hazard a guess - the Warriors. The W's = the dubs? dub-ya's as the yanks would pronounce it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 11, 2015, 02:23:17 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 11, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
I would hazard a guess - the Warriors. The W's = the dubs? dub-ya's as the yanks would pronounce it?
Correct

Oraisteach - I'm not too despondent yet as I thought there was a glimmer last night in the 4th quarter. Lee is a smart player and will make better decisions than Ezeli and showed a lot more heart. Curry began to get in a groove and Igi played well. I do believe that the need to win tomorrow and the way to do this is being aggressive in the 1st.

A stat shown last night that the winner of game 3 in a 1-1 situation going into it won 85% of the series outright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 11, 2015, 03:31:36 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 11, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
I would hazard a guess - the Warriors. The W's = the dubs? dub-ya's as the yanks would pronounce it?

Cheers, Iceman; makes sense now.   Though I haven't heard anyone call them that over here--only on this board.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 11, 2015, 07:04:38 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on June 11, 2015, 03:31:36 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 11, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
I would hazard a guess - the Warriors. The W's = the dubs? dub-ya's as the yanks would pronounce it?

Cheers, Iceman; makes sense now.   Though I haven't heard anyone call them that over here--only on this board.

Iceman is right. Heard them called that a load of times over here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 11, 2015, 12:25:13 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 10, 2015, 06:21:17 PM
Seanie, if I were a gambling man, I'd probably still bet on GSW.

But I do have to quibble with your notion of greatness.  In my view, there are plenty of great teams that have won nothing.  In your view, I'm sure, then they were not great.  But to define greatness solely on championships won is to fall prey to media hype and a narrow definition of greatness.

In 1995, the Cleveland Indians finished the season with a record of 100-44 and won their division by 30 games. In the playoffs they swept the Red Sox and went to the World Series (hate that term) against the Atlanta Braves. They lost the series in six, losing Game 1 2-1 and Game 6 1-0.  They just didn't hit in those two games, even though their lineup included Manny Ramirez, Albert Belle and Kenny Lofton.  They were still a great team.  It's just that on those two particular days, Atlanta was better.

On a more mundane level, I used to coach a high school quiz team.  In the state competition (164 teams, I think), we reached the final.  We had a great team, and we squared off against another great team, but with nine questions left we were losing by eight.  Luckily, my whiz kid went nuts and answered all nine questions.  We lifted the state title and in the annals of Ohio state quiz greatness, the other team vanished into oblivion. But, believe me, they were a great team, as good as we were, and on another day . . . .

We were a great team, but up to that point had won no championships, so did we suddenly become great simply because we won the title.  Not in my view.

Golden State is a great team, not yet in the realm of the Bulls, Celtics or Lakers of old, but great nonetheless.

I take all your points but I just think "great" is a term that is used a little too lightly. Regards GSW (or any team) I think a good deal more than one superb regular season should be the bar for greatness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 11, 2015, 03:11:09 PM
GSW are a great team, look at what they accomplished in the regular season, they have beaten all before them in the playoffs and are going to be a dynasty in the years ahead, they are young, hungry and are still learning, they are the deepest team in the NBA by far and to me they have come across the greatest athlete the NBA has ever seen in LBJ, that cat is doing the work of two men and is outcoaching the rookie and NBA legend Steve Kerr.

GSW have exactly zero rings between them it has shown in this series, LBJ knows how to win championships and I have never seen a player exert such enormous influence over a series than LeBron has in this one.

MJ had Kerr, Pippen and Rodman, not to mention Horace Grant at times, LBJ has a cast of cast offs, of players not even drafted or drafted late, he has lost two, count em two All Stars and yet here he sits!

One last thing, the current MVP needs to seriously bulk up, he is getting throttled in the trenches and if this series has shown us anything it is that LBJ is by far, by far mind you, the most valuable player on the planet and he is also light years ahead of young Curry when and where it matters!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 11, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
You're some man for the hyperbole Stew :) I don't see how a team that hasn't won anything yet, but might do in the future, can be called great now. Potentially great, maybe. Maybe they'll go on to win this series and make a better case for great.

If you don't win anything, you need to be close to winning for several years before you are 'great' in my view. Like that Buffalo Bills team could maybe be called a great team, even if they never sealed the deal, because they continued to be in the Superbowl year after year. If they had played well for one year, and disappeared, they'd not be in any discussion of a 'great' team.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2015, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
You're some man for the hyperbole Stew :) I don't see how a team that hasn't won anything yet, but might do in the future, can be called great now. Potentially great, maybe. Maybe they'll go on to win this series and make a better case for great.

If you don't win anything, you need to be close to winning for several years before you are 'great' in my view. Like that Buffalo Bills team could maybe be called a great team, even if they never sealed the deal, because they continued to be in the Superbowl year after year. If they had played well for one year, and disappeared, they'd not be in any discussion of a 'great' team.

Totally agree.  I would suggest that it would be better to say that GSW have had a great season and have been great this year in their performances but greatness is created through consistency and repeated success. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on June 11, 2015, 04:30:07 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2015, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 11, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
You're some man for the hyperbole Stew :) I don't see how a team that hasn't won anything yet, but might do in the future, can be called great now. Potentially great, maybe. Maybe they'll go on to win this series and make a better case for great.

If you don't win anything, you need to be close to winning for several years before you are 'great' in my view. Like that Buffalo Bills team could maybe be called a great team, even if they never sealed the deal, because they continued to be in the Superbowl year after year. If they had played well for one year, and disappeared, they'd not be in any discussion of a 'great' team.

Totally agree.  I would suggest that it would be better to say that GSW have had a great season and have been great this year in their performances but greatness is created through consistency and repeated success.

If Dunphy, Brolly & Hook have taught us anything, it is that greatness is in the eye of the begrudger.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 11, 2015, 04:57:29 PM
Quote from: stew on June 11, 2015, 03:11:09 PM
GSW are a great team, look at what they accomplished in the regular season, they have beaten all before them in the playoffs and are going to be a dynasty in the years ahead, they are young, hungry and are still learning, they are the deepest team in the NBA by far and to me they have come across the greatest athlete the NBA has ever seen in LBJ, that cat is doing the work of two men and is outcoaching the rookie and NBA legend Steve Kerr.

GSW have exactly zero rings between them it has shown in this series, LBJ knows how to win championships and I have never seen a player exert such enormous influence over a series than LeBron has in this one.

MJ had Kerr, Pippen and Rodman, not to mention Horace Grant at times, LBJ has a cast of cast offs, of players not even drafted or drafted late, he has lost two, count em two All Stars and yet here he sits!

One last thing, the current MVP needs to seriously bulk up, he is getting throttled in the trenches and if this series has shown us anything it is that LBJ is by far, by far mind you, the most valuable player on the planet and he is also light years ahead of young Curry when and where it matters!

Sorry - I can't let that go unchallenged. Who had LeBron with him in his (2) championships that he has won to date? Hardly a rag tag bunch in Miami was there (and he managed to lose two finals with that very strong support cast)? Of the players you mentioned that played with MJ only one (Pippen) played with Jordan in his 6 championship wins, the most any other did was 3. LeBron is absolutely playing lights out in these playoffs, a great player at the top of his powers, so just enjoy it.

I still think Jordan is/was the greatest but LeBron is magnificent also.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 12, 2015, 04:51:12 AM
Just the kind of game I feared it would be, and we looked knackered.  Advantage Golden State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 12, 2015, 05:32:37 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 12, 2015, 04:51:12 AM
Just the kind of game I feared it would be, and we looked knackered.  Advantage Golden State.

And that's just the kind of game I expected from day one. Splash Bros quiet enough but Green and Iggy really stepped it up. Lee has made a difference as well.

LBJ took some fall and at the time I thought he was doing his iDisk but the gash on his head was pretty severe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 12, 2015, 08:15:12 AM
ok, so a 3 game series. Was surprise that David Lee only played 15 mins, thought he'd be in for longer. So momentum back with GS even if they are just tied. Enjoyable series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 12, 2015, 03:49:08 PM
The Cavs had every chance to win that. Momentum was swinging there way at the beginning of the 4th. I think it was a 4 point game and the W's couldn't finish. Perfect time to capitalize and instead the Cavs imploded. I'll agree they are tired and beat up but they could have done more and been more.

In the words of poor auld Mick:

I didn't hear no bell......get up you son of a bitch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleafgael on June 13, 2015, 11:11:28 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/14/opinion/deflating-deflategate.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

BEFORE "Deflategate," the National Football League's most recent controversy, there was "Bountygate," in which New Orleans Saints officials were accused of offering bonuses to Saints players who injured members of opposing teams — a policy alleged to have been in place from 2009 to 2011. Initially, several Saints officials and players were penalized by the N.F.L.

In 2012, however, we published an analysis of N.F.L. injury data that found that the Saints injured fewer opposing players than all but two teams did in 2009, and fewer than all but one team did from 2009 to 2011. Even if Saints officials offered "bounties," there was no good evidence that Saints players were influenced by them.

We presented our findings at an N.F.L. hearing in November 2012. The next month, the N.F.L. vacated all the players' suspensions.

Considering that our impartiality was at least implicitly recognized by the N.F.L. in the past, we believe that our analysis of the evidence in Deflategate, in a study released Friday by the American Enterprise Institute, could help resolve this latest controversy.

Deflategate is a dispute about whether the New England Patriots used deliberately underinflated footballs in their playoff victory over the Indianapolis Colts in January. (Each N.F.L. team provides its own footballs when on offense, and an underinflated football may be easier to handle in cold or wet conditions.)

The N.F.L. commissioned a study, known as the Wells report, that concluded that it was "more probable than not" that Patriots personnel deliberately violated the rules and that Tom Brady, the Patriots quarterback, was aware of it. Following the release of the Wells report last month, the N.F.L. penalized the Patriots organization and suspended Mr. Brady for four games.

Our study, written with our colleague Joseph Sullivan, examines the evidence and methodology of the Wells report and concludes that it is deeply flawed. (We have no financial stake in the outcome of Deflategate.)

The Wells report's main finding is that the Patriots balls declined in pressure more than the Colts balls did in the first half of their game, and that the decline is highly statistically significant. For the sake of argument, let's grant this finding for now. Even still, it alone does not prove misconduct. There are, after all, two possibilities. The first is that the Patriots balls declined too much. The second — overlooked by the Wells report — is that the Colts balls declined too little.

The latter possibility appears to be more likely. The Wells report notes the expected pressure for the footballs at halftime in the Patriots-Colts game, factoring in the decline in pressure to be expected when a ball, inflated in a warm room, has been moved to a cold outdoor field. If the Patriots deflated their balls, their pressure levels at halftime should have fallen below the expected level, while the Colts balls at halftime should have hovered around that level.

But when we analyzed the data provided in the Wells report, we found that the Patriots balls declined by about the expected amount, while the Colts balls declined by less. In fact, the pressure of the Colts balls was statistically significantly higher than expected. Contrary to the report, the significant difference between the changes in pressure of the two teams' balls was not because the pressure of the Patriots balls was too low, but because that of the Colts balls was too high.

How could this be? The report's own findings suggest an explanation: At halftime, N.F.L. officials measured the pressure of "only a sample" of the Colts balls (four out of 12) before they ran out of time; the second half of the game was about to begin. This implies that the Colts balls sat in the warm room where they were to be measured — and thus increased in pressure — for almost the entirety of halftime before being measured.

All of the 11 available Patriots balls, by contrast, were measured at halftime, which suggests that they were measured earlier, when they were colder — and thus lower in pressure. Although this explanation contradicts the Wells report's conclusions, it fits all the evidence.

There are other factors discussed in our study that undermine support for the Wells report's conclusions. For example, there is considerable uncertainty concerning the actual pressure of the footballs. The N.F.L. official who checked the pressure before the game used some combination of two pressure gauges to measure the Patriots and Colts balls, but it is not known which particular combination.

One of the gauges, as the report notes, records pressures that are higher than the other. If the official used that gauge to measure the Patriots balls (but not the Colts balls) pregame, then those balls may well have started out with too little air, which could explain a later appearance of intentional deflation. The report, however, does not consider that possibility.

Our recommendation? When the N.F.L. hears Mr. Brady's appeal of his suspension later this month, it should proceed with the knowledge that the Wells report is unreliable.


Kevin A. Hassett is the director of economic studies, and Stan A. Veuger is a resident scholar, at the American Enterprise Institute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 13, 2015, 11:23:24 PM
Bountygate basically destroyed Brett Favre's health, I had no use for the man and seen him around town often enough to know he was a ballix but I felt so bad for him when they were batin the shite out of him.

That was the worst beating on a sporting field I have ever seen a man take and his memory is already going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 13, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: stew on June 13, 2015, 11:23:24 PM
Bountygate basically destroyed Brett Favre's health, I had no use for the man and seen him around town often enough to know he was a ballix but I felt so bad for him when they were batin the shite out of him.

That was the worst beating on a sporting field I have ever seen a man take and his memory is already going.
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Not as bad as what your Pack did to the Punky QB

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81182051/

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 15, 2015, 04:00:36 AM
1 win away  :D

Will be very hard to go to Cleveland and get a win so this will prob go to 7. LBJ is giving every bit but the supporting cast is poor (injuries kill them coming into this). Tonight I thought they looked very tired.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 15, 2015, 11:12:53 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on June 13, 2015, 11:39:36 PM
Quote from: stew on June 13, 2015, 11:23:24 PM
Bountygate basically destroyed Brett Favre's health, I had no use for the man and seen him around town often enough to know he was a ballix but I felt so bad for him when they were batin the shite out of him.

That was the worst beating on a sporting field I have ever seen a man take and his memory is already going.
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Not as bad as what your Pack did to the Punky QB

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81182051/

I can think of a few QB's who would still be down crying if that was done to them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 11:39:34 AM
One in particular I'd imagine :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 15, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 15, 2015, 11:39:34 AM
One in particular I'd imagine :)

The guy who did it would get banned for life!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 15, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
Bad day for sports for me.  Armagh trounced and the Cavs lost a game they could have won.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dferg on June 15, 2015, 04:11:04 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on June 15, 2015, 04:00:36 AM
1 win away  :D

Will be very hard to go to Cleveland and get a win so this will prob go to 7. LBJ is giving every bit but the supporting cast is poor (injuries kill them coming into this). Tonight I thought they looked very tired.
Can't see it going to game 7, they look out on there feet.  If Lebron takes a rest for 2 minutes he comes back 4 or 5 points further behind.  He is playing Point Guard, Defender, Attacker, he looked like he could barely dunk the ball by the 4th quarter.

1/20 for GSW to win now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 16, 2015, 08:05:32 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 15, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
Bad day for sports for me.  Armagh trounced and the Cavs lost a game they could have won.

Didn't think the Cavs really had much of an opportunity in this game, thought Game 1 they should have won. The Dubs have their tails up the last two games.

Always difficult however to close out a series and even more so in the Finals for a young team on the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 16, 2015, 08:27:59 AM
Blackhawks take the Stanley Cup for the 3rd time in 6 seasons. Great achievement. They are a great team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 16, 2015, 09:04:27 AM
Really hard for American franchises to go back to back, the blackhawks and SF giants have flirted but seem to need a year out to get the hunger to come back and win again. Them hockey guys put in some shift of play-off games to win the title
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 16, 2015, 01:06:07 PM
And good to see an American sport where the trophy is presented to the captain of the team and not the owner.

Pretty cool to see the Hawks captain hand the cup off first to 40 year Kimmo Timmonen - playing in his last ever game winning his first Cup after 1100 games and 17 years in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 17, 2015, 05:04:04 AM
40 years is over. Superb performance tonight to close this out, always difficult for a young team winning their first. Hopefully first of many. Deep talanted squad.

Oakland could burn tonight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 17, 2015, 06:15:41 AM
Did enough tonight to get over the line without hitting top gear. Should be the start of a legacy. I think Curry is like the 3rd worst paid player, could be bull but don't really need to tweak too much with that squad for next season.

Iggy with MVP...first player to have zero regular season starts to win. Prob made the difference in his 3 starts but plain as day LBJ was the best out there but I guess they don't do that, once in the history
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 17, 2015, 05:15:06 PM
Another deeply disappointing conclusion to another Cleveland season.  Way too many turnovers and free throws, not to mention the disappearance of JR Smith.  Have to wonder what might have been with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love.

And to intensify the hurt, Vegas has installed the Cavs as 9/4 favorites to win the 2016 NBA championship.  So, once again, there's always next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 22, 2015, 08:43:30 PM
so at this point I'm guessing that Peter Rose has lost any last thread of hope of making the Hall of Fame?
ESPN breaking this story today...

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13114874/notebook-obtained-lines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 22, 2015, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: heganboy on June 22, 2015, 08:43:30 PM
so at this point I'm guessing that Peter Rose has lost any last thread of hope of making the Hall of Fame?
ESPN breaking this story today...

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13114874/notebook-obtained-lines-shows-pete-rose-bet-baseball-player-1986


I have wanted him in for years, I was wrong, he is a cancer and a stain on baseball's incredible history and should be banned from every ballpark, every opportunity to make a dime from the game and most importantly, the Hall Of Fame!

Shoeless Joe should be in as should a couple of his teammates, you know, the ones that never made an error and hit over .300 in the series the year the black Sox threw the series!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2015, 12:08:34 PM
Getting to see the Yankees at the Red Sox Friday week, crap seats but looking forward to it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on July 01, 2015, 11:44:34 PM
Reportedly, despite stories about plans to join the Lakers or Celtics, Kevin Love plans to sign once again with the Cavaliers, which should keep the Cavs the best team in the Eastern Conference.  They'll have to use him him more productively, however.  Good news.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 02, 2015, 07:16:42 AM
Love confirmed. Met with Lebron last week, who seems to have changed his mind on him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 27, 2015, 10:21:34 PM
QuoteVernon Kay ‏@vernonkay  2h2 hours ago
4 all those asking @Channel4 have decided NOT to show ANY NFL this year...
An alternative will be found.
Such a shame.

Pity, enjoyed the late Sunday night game as its my night off after 4 nightshifts. Hope ITV4 or BBC picks it up.
Would Challenge of Spike even try for this?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 29, 2015, 03:57:38 PM
They know how to drag a story in America



QuoteBrady NFL ban upheld
29th July 2015, 08:52am

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Tom Brady's four-game ban will stand


NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has upheld Tom Brady's four-game suspension for the New England Patriots quarterback's role in the 'deflategate' scandal.

The four-time Super Bowl winner was handed the ban in May after independent investigator Ted Wells' report concluded he was "at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities" regarding his team's use of deflated game balls in last season's AFC Championship game against the Indianapolis Colts.

Brady appealed but Goodell on Tuesday announced Brady's ban had been upheld after further information which came to light during the appeal process had counted against the 37-year-old.

"NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell upheld today the four-game suspension imposed on New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady on May 11. Brady's appeal from that discipline was heard for more than 10 hours on June 23," an NFL statement said.

According to the statement, new information which came to light during the appeal process showed that Brady had ordered the destruction of his cell phone immediately prior to his meeting with Wells on March 6.

"He did so even though he was aware that the investigators had requested access to text messages and other electronic information that had been stored on that phone," the statement said. "During the four months that the cell phone was in use, Brady had exchanged nearly 10,000 text messages, none of which can now be retrieved from that device."

The statement concluded: "Based on the Wells Report and the evidence presented at the hearing, Commissioner Goodell concluded in his decision that Brady was aware of, and took steps to support, the actions of other team employees to deflate game footballs below the levels called for by the NFL's Official Playing Rules.

"The commissioner found that Brady's deliberate destruction of potentially relevant evidence went beyond a mere failure to cooperate in the investigation and supported a finding that he had sought to hide evidence of his own participation in the underlying scheme to alter the footballs."

Deflated balls are considered to be easier to grip, throw and catch, particularly in cold conditions, although there is disagreement on how much of an advantage or disadvantage they can provide.

As well as Brady's ban, the Patriots were fined US $1million and docked two draft picks including next year's first-round pick.

The Patriots, who won their fourth Super Bowl in February in Arizona, accepted their punishment but Brady's process could continue despite Tuesday's ruling.

The quarterback, regarded by many to be the greatest to have ever played the game, is said to be considering taking the case to court as he believes his legacy is on the line.

As it stands, he is due to miss the Patriots' games against the Pittsburgh Steelers, Buffalo Bills, Jacksonville Jaguars and Dallas Cowboys this coming season.

The NFL Players Association issued a statement indicating its intention to appeal on Brady's behalf.

Complaining that the NFL's process included numerous legal deficiencies and violated the collective bargaining agreement, the statement added: "The fact that the NFL would resort to basing a suspension on a smoke screen of irrelevant text messages instead of admitting that they have all of the phone records they asked for is a new low, even for them, but it does nothing to correct their errors."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 15, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
Looks like Bears rookie WR Kevin White is out for the season with a shin injury
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 17, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
Killer after letting Marshall go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 23, 2015, 08:00:26 PM
Looks like a torn ACL for Jordy Nelson
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 23, 2015, 08:02:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2015, 08:00:26 PM
Looks like a torn ACL for Jordy Nelson

Jaysus
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: laoislad on August 23, 2015, 09:09:48 PM
Didn't know where else to ask this, but how are LA Galaxy playing New York City tonight when they are in different conferences?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 23, 2015, 09:35:42 PM
All the pro sports over there feature some games against teams from the other conference. They are probably just following the same model.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on August 24, 2015, 02:40:31 AM
Jarryd Hayne looks real deal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
First Pre-Season NCAA Football AP poll is out. I'm surprised to see 6 PAC-12 teams in the top 25, I don't think the PAC-12 has really done enough to have that sort of impact. Particularly surprised at ASU at number 15. I suppose, as they say, it's not important what ranking you are at the start of the season, it's where you are at the end. Ohio State are the first consensus #1 in the pre-season AP Poll, ever. The poll is going since 1950.

1   Ohio State   Big Ten
2   TCU                   Big 12
3   Alabama           SEC
4   Baylor           Big 12
5   Michigan State   Big Ten
6   Auburn           SEC
7   Oregon           Pac-12
8   USC                   Pac-12
9   Georgia           SEC
10   Florida State   ACC
11   Notre Dame   Division I FBS Independents
12   Clemson           ACC
13   UCLA           Pac-12
14   LSU                   SEC
15   Arizona State   Pac-12
16   Georgia Tech   ACC
17   Mississippi   SEC
18   Arkansas           SEC
19   Oklahoma           Big 12
20   Wisconsin           Big Ten
21   Stanford           Pac-12
22   Arizona           Pac-12
23   Boise State   Mountain West
24   Missouri           SEC
25   Tennessee   SEC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 24, 2015, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 23, 2015, 09:09:48 PM
Didn't know where else to ask this, but how are LA Galaxy playing New York City tonight when they are in different conferences?

Well simply - you don't just play teams in your own conference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 24, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 23, 2015, 08:02:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 23, 2015, 08:00:26 PM
Looks like a torn ACL for Jordy Nelson

Jaysus

Confirmed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on August 28, 2015, 11:35:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
First Pre-Season NCAA Football AP poll is out. I'm surprised to see 6 PAC-12 teams in the top 25, I don't think the PAC-12 has really done enough to have that sort of impact. Particularly surprised at ASU at number 15. I suppose, as they say, it's not important what ranking you are at the start of the season, it's where you are at the end. Ohio State are the first consensus #1 in the pre-season AP Poll, ever. The poll is going since 1950.

1   Ohio State   Big Ten
2   TCU                   Big 12
3   Alabama           SEC
4   Baylor           Big 12
5   Michigan State   Big Ten
Going on hols to Texas next week and we just booked tix last night to go to Baylor v SMU in Dallas.
I've just finished the entire five series of Friday Night Lights so now know a tiny tiny bit more about the sport, i.e. I know what a wide receiver is supposed to do, but going for the atmosphere more than anything.  For a Friday night college game, what time is the tailgate stuff likely to kick off at?

We're also going to see San Diego Chargers as we're heading there for a few days too.  This aul American Football match stuff would need to be good...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 28, 2015, 02:18:16 PM
The atmosphere at Baylor vs SMU should be electric, though I think Baylor will wallop them.  Baylor will want to make a mark after being excluded from the 4-team national championship playoffs last year. Should be great fun.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 28, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
Quote from: Rois on August 28, 2015, 11:35:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 24, 2015, 01:50:27 PM
First Pre-Season NCAA Football AP poll is out. I'm surprised to see 6 PAC-12 teams in the top 25, I don't think the PAC-12 has really done enough to have that sort of impact. Particularly surprised at ASU at number 15. I suppose, as they say, it's not important what ranking you are at the start of the season, it's where you are at the end. Ohio State are the first consensus #1 in the pre-season AP Poll, ever. The poll is going since 1950.

1   Ohio State   Big Ten
2   TCU                   Big 12
3   Alabama           SEC
4   Baylor           Big 12
5   Michigan State   Big Ten
Going on hols to Texas next week and we just booked tix last night to go to Baylor v SMU in Dallas.
I've just finished the entire five series of Friday Night Lights so now know a tiny tiny bit more about the sport, i.e. I know what a wide receiver is supposed to do, but going for the atmosphere more than anything.  For a Friday night college game, what time is the tailgate stuff likely to kick off at?

We're also going to see San Diego Chargers as we're heading there for a few days too.  This aul American Football match stuff would need to be good...

Are you sure it's Friday night? Friday night is sacred in Texas (and most everywhere else where football is big) for high school football and most college ball is on Saturday. A college town any weakened a game is on is going to be mental.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 28, 2015, 02:56:24 PM
I was thinking the same thing. Baylor SMU might be a Thursday night game. Either way it will be great craic. The Tailgate will start at least 2-3 hours beforehand.


Just checked, it is Friday night alright. Very strange in Texas. Obviously moved to make it an ESPN game.


http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/021915aaa.html (http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/021915aaa.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on August 28, 2015, 03:52:22 PM
Yeah we were actually considering a different game on the Saturday night (think Alabama playing Wisconsin just outside Dallas at Arlington- how does that make sense??) but I have a rodeo booked in Fort Worth for Saturday night, so the Friday suited fine. 

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 28, 2015, 03:54:04 PM
Jaysus go to Bama - Wisconsin!!!!!

At the start of the year, quite a few games are on neutral sites, they're kind of a roadshow for the season. When the conference schedules kick off, they are normally home or away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 28, 2015, 03:56:32 PM
By the way, re Tailgating, see this... Have fun :)

http://www.smumustangs.com/trads/boulevard.html (http://www.smumustangs.com/trads/boulevard.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on August 28, 2015, 04:36:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 28, 2015, 03:56:32 PM
By the way, re Tailgating, see this... Have fun :)

http://www.smumustangs.com/trads/boulevard.html (http://www.smumustangs.com/trads/boulevard.html)

Oh that's so helpful, thank you - looks class!

Also just got an email from Aer Lingus to tell me that my bid for upgrade to business class on the way out was successful, so it's shaping up to be a great start to our holiday...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 28, 2015, 04:45:47 PM
I'm with AZ on this one.  Bama-Wisconsin should be a terrific matchup.  A game with great significance for both teams.  Should be a thriller with Bama clear favourites.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 28, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
Have booked myself a weekend in Pittsburgh in November.
Notre Dame vs Pitt Panthers on Saturday and Steelers-Raiders on Sunday both at Heinz Field.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2015, 03:23:22 PM
Teflon Tom wins his case against the NFL

QuoteTom Brady's decision to take the Deflategate scandal to federal court has paid off, with a judge ruling that the New England Patriots quarterback's suspension should be overturned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2015, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 03, 2015, 03:23:22 PM
Teflon Tom wins his case against the NFL

QuoteTom Brady's decision to take the Deflategate scandal to federal court has paid off, with a judge ruling that the New England Patriots quarterback's suspension should be overturned.

In one way I am delighted. Roger Goodell is a nutsack.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 03, 2015, 03:37:12 PM
I think was up to his neck in it but the evidence was, emm, shaky at best and the suspension too large.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2015, 03:41:22 PM
Probably. But Goodell is an egomaniac, and an idiot who doles out suspensions on what way he thinks the public wind is blowing.

My God. Goodell is on the CCC isn't he?!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on September 03, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
Bill Belichick reacts joyfully to the news of Tom Brady's suspension being nullified. (h/t (https://twitter.com/Complex_Sports/status/639447205393367040))

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_F1t0WgAAJPEU.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on September 03, 2015, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2015, 03:41:22 PM
Probably. But Goodell is an egomaniac, and an idiot who doles out suspensions on what way he thinks the public wind is blowing.

My God. Goodell is on the CCC isn't he?!!
LOL

Agree with you regarding Goodell but on the other hand think Brady probably did deserve a suspension of some kind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 03, 2015, 04:03:43 PM
HaHa, Deiseach.  In the throes of rapture.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2015, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: deiseach on September 03, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
Bill Belichick reacts joyfully to the news of Tom Brady's suspension being nullified. (h/t (https://twitter.com/Complex_Sports/status/639447205393367040))

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN_F1t0WgAAJPEU.jpg)

On to Pittsburgh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on September 03, 2015, 06:20:16 PM
I had a problem with the any sort of punishment for Brady when I read the Wells report in the first place. It was poorly conceived from a legal stand point so today's ruling is of little surprise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 28, 2015, 02:42:26 AM
The vikings had a big win over San Diego today 31-14. They are now 2-1. The cowboys collapsed against the Falcons after starting well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2015, 09:27:49 AM
Jaysus The Cardinals absolutely abused the 49ers yesterday, 47-7. I never thought I'd see the day. I was at the old Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe when Steve Young threw his last ever TD pass, to Jerry Rice, as the 49ers had a very predictable win over the Cards in Monday Night Football (1998 I think). It's hard to credit the climb to respectability this team has had in the last 10-15 years.

  At one stage, well into the second half, Kaepernick had 5 completions and 4 interceptions. 2 of the interceptions went for pick 6s. Early days, and the Seahawks are getting the show back on the road, but Arizona looks like a decent team this year again. Hopefully they'll have more luck with injuries than they did last year. Michael Floyd hasn't contributed really either, as he comes back from his thumb injury.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on September 28, 2015, 09:32:55 AM
The Cardinals look good so far AZ but i think as the season progresses this result won't look quite as impressive as the 49ers are shaping up be truly awful. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2015, 09:40:44 AM
Ah yeah, no doubt. But still, 47-7 for Arizona versus San Francisco is a big deal, from a historic perspective. I think the Cards could win 10 games, and if they do that might get them into the playoffs again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on September 28, 2015, 09:44:16 AM
If they can keep Palmer healthy then i would give them the edge over the Seahawks in the division race.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2015, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: Clov on September 28, 2015, 09:44:16 AM
If they can keep Palmer healthy then i would give them the edge over the Seahawks in the division race.

Keep Palmer healthy, which is not guaranteed with that O-Line (although it has gotten better, the niners got home too often for my liking yesterday). Also they need to have a semblance of a running game, which in fairness they have had thus far. Palmer can throw to 4 or 5 targets if the opposition are at least thinking the Cards might run. C Johnson looked decent yesterday, and D Johnson has shown flashes, although more of an Ellington scat back type. When Ellington comes back, they should have depth there, and they may feel comfortable limiting Ellington's work to try and spare him, because he's made of glass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 28, 2015, 11:45:55 AM
I was thinking of you AZ watching the Cardinal last night. I think they're a serious outfit, I really do. Obviously Palmer's health is key but where would the Patriots chance be without Brady or the Packers chances without Rodgers? Palmer is not in their bracket but he is a bloody good QB. Chris Johnson looks to have a wee bit of juice left, one ankle breaker of a cut and the afterburners made Navorro Bowman look a bit silly. Then there's the great master himself - MacGearailt. Just WOW.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 28, 2015, 02:20:03 PM
The Jays are off to the playoffs for the first time since they won the World Series in 1993  ;D

It was the longest playoff drought of any team in the big 4 leagues. That dubious honour now belongs to the Buffalo Bills.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 28, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
Buffalo could well end that this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2015, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
Buffalo could well end that this season.

Was thinking the same thing, but that rookie QB might end up getting hurt, he's wide open when he runs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 28, 2015, 03:01:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 28, 2015, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
Buffalo could well end that this season.

Was thinking the same thing, but that rookie QB might end up getting hurt, he's wide open when he runs.

He's throwing it lovely though I'd share your concern on his running. Very good defense though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on September 28, 2015, 03:42:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 28, 2015, 11:45:55 AM
I was thinking of you AZ watching the Cardinal last night. I think they're a serious outfit, I really do. Obviously Palmer's health is key but where would the Patriots chance be without Brady or the Packers chances without Rodgers? Palmer is not in their bracket but he is a bloody good QB. Chris Johnson looks to have a wee bit of juice left, one ankle breaker of a cut and the afterburners made Navorro Bowman look a bit silly. Then there's the great master himself - MacGearailt. Just WOW.

Think that was Wilhoite, no? Though Bowman was left trailing on the play.

Are the Bears and 49ers early favourites for the 1st draft pick? They meet in later in the season in Soldier Field and looking at the niners schedule i don't see too many wins before then.  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 28, 2015, 05:05:15 PM
Raiders finally turned a corner??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 28, 2015, 06:30:32 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 28, 2015, 05:05:15 PM
Raiders finally turned a corner??

Possibly. Carr is very, very good and consecutive 100 yards games for Cooper. Great to see Charles Woodson still going strong!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 04:20:23 AM
Aaron Rodgers - a very average QB  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 29, 2015, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 04:20:23 AM
Aaron Rodgers - a very average QB  ;)

That's harsh Gab.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on October 02, 2015, 09:08:24 AM
http://media.waaf.com/device/mobile/a/109217296/irish-hurlers-mark-schutte-david-collins-9-16-15.htm (http://media.waaf.com/device/mobile/a/109217296/irish-hurlers-mark-schutte-david-collins-9-16-15.htm)

Had a giggle at this - promo for the Fenway series in November
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 02, 2015, 06:34:14 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 29, 2015, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 29, 2015, 04:20:23 AM
Aaron Rodgers - a very average QB  ;)

That's harsh Gab.


I've never seen better.

They had a segment on him the other day, scientifically his release takes 3/100's of a second, this is 20% faster than the next fastest QB, this equates to him giving his WR a 2.5 foot cushion over the next quickest release.

Brady is brilliant, absolutely brilliant and he has won four to Rodgers one, but if Rodgers get to three and Brady stays on four I would have him as the best of all time, the man has thrown 580 passes with an interception at Lambeau, that is off the charts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 04, 2015, 02:22:35 PM
BBC 2 showing Dolphins v Jets  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 04, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on October 04, 2015, 02:22:35 PM
BBC 2 showing Dolphins v Jets  :)

Did they sell out?

The Pack are in London next year apparently, an away game for them, they have said they will never give up a home game to play out of the Country and they will be the biggest draw they have ever had.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 04, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
Looks pretty full
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 04, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Packers wouldn't be nearly the draw the Pats are over here stew.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on October 04, 2015, 03:01:20 PM
Is there some link to playing in London and hosting the Superbowl?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 04, 2015, 03:05:32 PM
No. Arizona have never played in London. There was some talk of a team being coaxed to go with threats about their Super Bowl bid alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 04, 2015, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 04, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Packers wouldn't be nearly the draw the Pats are over here stew.

Don't let facts get in the way of ignorant bluster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 04, 2015, 10:05:09 PM
?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 04, 2015, 10:44:36 PM
Pats support in UK well known, as you alluded to, is a fact. The other fella going on about the packers is full of bluster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 04, 2015, 11:12:42 PM
I'm a big Rodgers fan. However, he is 6-5 in the playoffs and has won , ONE playoff game in the last 5 years ( against Minnesota with a no name backup QB). He is a million miles away from being close to Brady. He has as much talent as anyone playing the game, his playoff record would need to significantly improve.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 04, 2015, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 04, 2015, 11:12:42 PM
I'm a big Rodgers fan. However, he is 6-5 in the playoffs and has won , ONE playoff game in the last 5 years ( against Minnesota with a no name backup QB). He is a million miles away from being close to Brady. He has as much talent as anyone playing the game, his playoff record would need to significantly improve.....

He beat the cowboys last year, surely? Also, in fairness to the fella, he really ought to have won against Seattle in the NFC Championship and the only reason he didn't was a ridiculously fumbled onside kick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 04, 2015, 11:20:50 PM
And Brady lost 2 Superbowls in the last minute of both, to two miracle plays. Such is life.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 04, 2015, 11:25:08 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 04, 2015, 11:20:50 PM
And Brady lost 2 Superbowls in the last minute of both, to two miracle plays. Such is life.

True. I think Rodgers has a bit to go yet before people start comparing him to manning's playoff record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 04, 2015, 11:29:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 04, 2015, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 04, 2015, 11:12:42 PM
I'm a big Rodgers fan. However, he is 6-5 in the playoffs and has won , ONE playoff game in the last 5 years ( against Minnesota with a no name backup QB). He is a million miles away from being close to Brady. He has as much talent as anyone playing the game, his playoff record would need to significantly improve.....

He beat the cowboys last year, surely? Also, in fairness to the fella, he really ought to have won against Seattle in the NFC Championship and the only reason he didn't was a ridiculously fumbled onside kick.

Yes and that's why W-L isn't a (relevant) QB stat, even though it is getting spouted more and more.

Read something at start of the season on ESPN that an anonymous NFL scout watched every snap last year that Brady & Rodgers took and in his opinion Rodgers play was at a significantly higher level than Brady's. Obviously two great players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 05, 2015, 05:59:19 PM
San Francisco's defense must really have improved a lot in a week. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 06, 2015, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 04, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Packers wouldn't be nearly the draw the Pats are over here stew.

Green Bay has a tremendous fan base all over the world, it will be the game that has the most supporters attending ever when they go there.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 06, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Pretty sure you wrong on this. I would say the pats and niners have more fans on this side of the pond.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 06, 2015, 05:19:39 PM
Anyone who was big in the 80's is well supported over here - Dolphins, Bears as well as the already mentioned Pats, Niners.

The point is moot though because hasn't the international series sold out every year so far? I've been to the 2 games involving the Niners in London and while there were plenty of Niner fans there the majority of those attending were sporting colours/jerseys of from other NFL teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 06, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
NFLUK ran a poll a couple of seasons ago and the Patriots were the best supported team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 06, 2015, 06:54:53 PM
Yeah I don't think it matters who is playing, people just want to go to a bona fide NFL game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 06, 2015, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 06, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Pretty sure you wrong on this. I would say the pats and niners have more fans on this side of the pond.

Thats because they win a lot!

The Packers and Dallas are the two biggest teams worldwide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 06, 2015, 09:01:40 PM
Quote from: stew on October 06, 2015, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 06, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
Pretty sure you wrong on this. I would say the pats and niners have more fans on this side of the pond.

Thats because they win a lot!

The Packers and Dallas are the two biggest teams worldwide.

No they aren't.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 06, 2015, 10:06:33 PM
 Top supported team done by county in states, Really interesting how the Cowboys have such a spread out fan base.

Over on NFL UK forum they tend to think it's the Pat's that are mostly supported on these shores

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/06/1409967590593_wps_29_The_National_Football_Lea.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 07, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
In terms of travelling support in the NFL the 3 teams that have the biggest numbers seem to be the Steelers,Cowboys and Packers.That's only my observation from watching on the box.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2015, 10:21:30 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on October 07, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
In terms of travelling support in the NFL the 3 teams that have the biggest numbers seem to be the Steelers,Cowboys and Packers.That's only my observation from watching on the box.

That's not true Rossa. I used to note this when I was in Arizona at the games. Nobody really 'travels' to away games, but the Packers and Steelers have a lot of people who move away from there (largely due to weather or whatever) and maintain their support of the local teams. Therefore whenever the Packers or Steelers play, there's always a fair few supporters even away from home. Also, especially for the packers, they are a popular team, and would be supported a lot out of Green Bay by people who have never been to Green Bay. In many ways, as Stew said, they would be the real 'America's team'. Dallas is another team like this. There isn't a huge Dallas diaspora, or snowbirds, but they are popular throughout the country.

Whenever the Cardinals played at home against Dallas, Green Bay, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, (or even Philly), you could be sure of a significant 'away' following, but most of them lived in Phoenix, they weren't flying in from those places like they do in the UK for soccer.

Over here though, I would be fairly sure that the New England Patriots, San Francisco 49ers, and probably lads like the Giants would be more supported than Green Bay. A lot of that is down to what we saw on the telly, obviously, but it's there nonetheless, and I don't agree that in London the Packers would be a bigger draw than either of the first two.

And if the Packers lost Aaron Rodgers and became an 8-8 ho-hum team like the were before Favre came along (after the Lombardi era I mean), then there would be 10 teams that would have a bigger draw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 07, 2015, 11:05:10 AM
Aw,I know that AZ,I didn't word it correctly.I meant fans of the away team.
It's also interesting to note that when the Cowboys are at home there always seems to be a significant number of opposition fans in their stadium.The niners almost took it over on their last visit to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2015, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on October 07, 2015, 11:05:10 AM
Aw,I know that AZ,I didn't word it correctly.I meant fans of the away team.
It's also interesting to note that when the Cowboys are at home there always seems to be a significant number of opposition fans in their stadium.The niners almost took it over on their last visit to it.

Fair enough, you're right so I'd say. But I definitely think the Packers are more popular in America than they are around the world, especially in comparison to the Pats and Niners, at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 07, 2015, 11:37:49 AM
The Packers do seem to have a certain mystique, even for the casual football fans, which i think plays into their popularity. Their community ownership is unique in the NFL. The fact that a major sports franchise exists in such a small town. Their history - one of the oldest franchises, the rivalry with the Bears, the great teams they had in the formative years of the NFL and a legendary coach in Lombardi. They also seem to be a really well run organisation under Ted Thompson.

That said, I agree with AZ, that over here that they're not any more popular than many of the other top NFL teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2015, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: Clov on October 07, 2015, 11:37:49 AM
The Packers do seem to have a certain mystique, even for the casual football fans, which i think plays into their popularity. Their community ownership is unique in the NFL. The fact that a major sports franchise exists in such a small town. Their history - one of the oldest franchises, the rivalry with the Bears, the great teams they had in the formative years of the NFL and a legendary coach in Lombardi. They also seem to be a really well run organisation under Ted Thompson.

That said, I agree with AZ, that over here that they're not any more popular than many of the other top NFL teams.

Clov, I think also it's the Lombardi, Bart Starr, Snow Bowl etc trradition around them. That's why, as I said, I agree with Stew about their popularity in the States. But that history and mystique doesn't really cross the ocean when we only really got the NFL in the mid 80s when the Pack were useless. In fact I'd say the aforementioned Bears were more popular over here than the Pack for a long time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 07, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
Yes, agree with all that.

For history, rivalry and tradition is there a better division in football than the NFC North?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2015, 11:53:43 AM
The AFC North?

There's something about the cold weather up there that leads to that sort of thing. I know the Ravens are a rebirth, but if we consider they are a rebirth of the Browns then the rivalries up there must be intense :)

All that said, I still think the pro rivalries don't hold a candle to the NCAA football rivalries. Michigan Ohio State, Auburn Alabama, Notre Dame USC, not to mind all the various Arizona/Arizona State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, UCLA-USC, Stanford-Cal, Intra state rivalries. (I know Auburn and Alabama are in the same state, but that transcends intra state level :) )

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 07, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
over on NFL UK someone said they had seen a poll that put the Pats easily in front and the Dolphins easily in 2nd place (they havent even been mentioned on here yet). I suppose a lot of support stems from the popular teams in the 80s and early 90s like the bears/niners.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 12, 2015, 11:11:42 AM
Charles Woodson is ageless.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
That was almost scripted last night. How many times has he faced Manning, and never picked him off, then last night, in probably their second last meeting ever, he goes and does it. Both came into the league 17 years ago!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 12, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 12, 2015, 11:16:32 AM
That was almost scripted last night. How many times has he faced Manning, and never picked him off, then last night, in probably their second last meeting ever, he goes and does it. Both came into the league 17 years ago!

He is the classiest man in the NFL and was brilliant when he was with the packers and he was a better man off the field than on it, he owns a vineyard in California and the wine is deadly, and expensive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 13, 2015, 10:48:38 AM
Some finish in San Diego last night.Gutsy call from Tomlin to go for it when the field goal would have tied the game.
Sounded like a home game for the Steelers,terrible towels everywhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2015, 10:49:34 AM
Quote from: Club Rossa on October 13, 2015, 10:48:38 AM
Some finish in San Diego last night.Gutsy call from Tomlin to go for it when the field goal would have tied the game.
Sounded like a home game for the Steelers,terrible towels everywhere.

Stuart Lancaster and Chris Robshaw are at home shaking their heads now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 13, 2015, 10:57:46 AM
It's a great call when it works out :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 13, 2015, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 07, 2015, 11:53:43 AM
The AFC North?

There's something about the cold weather up there that leads to that sort of thing. I know the Ravens are a rebirth, but if we consider they are a rebirth of the Browns then the rivalries up there must be intense :)

All that said, I still think the pro rivalries don't hold a candle to the NCAA football rivalries. Michigan Ohio State, Auburn Alabama, Notre Dame USC, not to mind all the various Arizona/Arizona State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, UCLA-USC, Stanford-Cal, Intra state rivalries. (I know Auburn and Alabama are in the same state, but that transcends intra state level.


I would agree with one exception, the packers Bears rivalry is absolutely tremendous.

I was invited to a party about ten years ago at a home just across from Lambeau field, so we show up and have a beer and I am looking forward to going to the game, fans are walking by in their hundreds and there are a bunch of people there I did not know, no problem, then this monster shows up hammered and invites a couple of Bear fans up onto the elevated deck, he hands them a beer and then he grabs one of them and throws him over the deck, holding him by the ankles, I near shit myself because I thought the big hoor was going to drop him, yer man was screaming as he was 20ft off the ground and my mate, who invited me over tells me not to worry because, "he does this to a Bear fan every year" Finally he hauled him back in and all was well but it made for an interesting start to proceedings.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 13, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
Lunatic!

On another note, very significant week in college coaching ranks. Steve Sarkesian first suspended and then sacked from USC in 24 hours for turning up in no fit state a couple of times this year.

Then one of the most celebrated coaches, the Head Ball Coach, Steve spurrier decides to call it a day with immediate effect from south Carolina with the gamecocks at 2-4. He's a massive loss to NCAA Football if he stays retired.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 13, 2015, 07:48:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 13, 2015, 07:42:28 PM
Lunatic!

On another note, very significant week in college coaching ranks. Steve Sarkesian first suspended and then sacked from USC in 24 hours for turning up in no fit state a couple of times this year.

Then one of the most celebrated coaches, the Head Ball Coach, Steve spurrier decides to call it a day with immediate effect from south Carolina with the gamecocks at 2-4. He's a massive loss to NCAA Football if he stays retired.

Wow, it is probably time, the ole ball coach is up there and he is not one for losing seasons.

tremendous coach, an all time great for sure.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 14, 2015, 10:48:07 AM
'This is our year' for the Cubs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 10:58:41 AM
In 1989, The Chicago Cubs had been 81 years since winning a World Series. Now they are 107 years without winning one, and haven't appeared in a World Series since the end of WWII

In 1989, Back to the Future II was made, and they 'flew' to 2015, where they showed a hologram news item saying the Cubs had won the world series by sweeping Miami (Miami didn't have a team then, and now they are in the NAtional league, so that bit is off).

This is 2015, and guess who is in the semi final series? Yep, that's right. Where's my hoverboard?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 14, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
Chicago will go into meltdown if the Cubs won.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 12:27:16 PM
There won't be violence like it since Al Capone. (Who came after the Cubbies last World Series!)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on October 14, 2015, 12:34:53 PM
As long as they're able to keep Steve Bartman away from Wrigley Field,they've got a chance!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
I saw where there was some online appeal to get him NLDS tickets or something. The poor hoor was on a hit list for years!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 14, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
I saw where there was some online appeal to get him NLDS tickets or something.

From Mets/Dodgers fans?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 15, 2015, 10:06:10 AM
Congrats to Texas governor* Greg Abbott (R)*8 for putting the mockers on the Astros (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/10/12/governor-greg-abbott-tweets-congratulations-to-astros-before-the-game-is-over/) when they were 6-2 up at the top of the 8th and poised to reach the ALCS:

(http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/files/2015/10/abbott-tweet.jpg)

*It was really someone in his office, fair play to him for the good-humoured tweet on his personal account about it.
**For stew's benefit, I'll make sure to track down a similar clanger by a Communist Democrat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
Some shitehawking at the Toronto - Texas game 5 as well. It was tied at 2-2 in the 7th, when the Toronto catcher went to throw the ball back to the pitcher and the Texas batter accidentally (I think it really was accidental) got in the way and the ball deflected off his bat and rolled along the ground. This made it a 'live' ball, and the Rangers scored to go up 3-2. The crowd went a bit buck mad, and started firing stuff onto the field (harmless stuff like plastic bottles and rubbish, not el Classico stuff like pigs heads and motorbikes). The game was held up for ages, but the umpires and review guys eventually upheld the call and the run stood.

Luckily for MLB the Blue Jays went on to have a big bottom half of the 7th and won the game anyway (helped by some atrocious fielding in that half of the inning by the Rangers. Maybe they were guilty) but MLB dodged a bullet there if the Rangers held on to win 3-2.

I'd say our resident Toronto resident, Gab, was in the middle firing out abuse and bottles at the blues :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on October 15, 2015, 11:06:41 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
Some shitehawking at the Toronto - Texas game 5 as well. It was tied at 2-2 in the 7th, when the Toronto catcher went to throw the ball back to the pitcher and the Texas batter accidentally (I think it really was accidental) got in the way and the ball deflected off his bat and rolled along the ground. This made it a 'live' ball, and the Rangers scored to go up 3-2. The crowd went a bit buck mad, and started firing stuff onto the field (harmless stuff like plastic bottles and rubbish, not el Classico stuff like pigs heads and motorbikes). The game was held up for ages, but the umpires and review guys eventually upheld the call and the run stood.

Luckily for MLB the Blue Jays went on to have a big bottom half of the 7th and won the game anyway (helped by some atrocious fielding in that half of the inning by the Rangers. Maybe they were guilty) but MLB dodged a bullet there if the Rangers held on to win 3-2.

I'd say our resident Toronto resident, Gab, was in the middle firing out abuse and bottles at the blues :)

Watched all of this last night, unbelievable game (Jays fan :)). The refs done brilliant and made the right call on the Rangers 3rd run in what was turning into a pretty hostile atmosphere. Rangers threw it away in the bottom of the 7th, they could have had 6 outs in the inning but 3 back to back errors loaded the bases with no outs.
Ill have Bautistas home run on repeat for a while :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on October 15, 2015, 01:21:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 14, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
Chicago will go into meltdown if the Cubs won.

Went to see them play back in the day. Lovely grounds, nice part of the city, fell asleep half way through the game.

Much better fun at a Mets game. More ahem vocal fans, some being throw out of the grounds. Pitch situated in a godawful part of the city. Have had a soft spot for them since.

White Sox pitch in a rough area as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 01:23:09 PM
I went to see the Cubs at Wrigley field as well, sat out in the Bleachers behind the Ivy wall. They were playing Detroit in Interleague, it was great craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 15, 2015, 02:01:02 PM
Quote from: Canalman on October 15, 2015, 01:21:17 PM
Much better fun at a Mets game. More ahem vocal fans, some being throw out of the grounds. Pitch situated in a godawful part of the city. Have had a soft spot for them since.

American sports seemed to be filled with lovable losers, as opposed to, uh, losers. See this in Futurama (for the uninitiated, Futurama is set in the 31st century):

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/njmeadowlanders/Screenshot2010-05-09at121236AM.png)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 02:06:28 PM
Hmmm. I dunno deiseach. I support it depends on circumstance. The Cubs are a kind of cuddly, harmless auld bunch, so maybe that's why they are loveable losers. The Mets, I'm not sure they're that lovable.

Teams like the Bengals wouldn't be that lovable, but the Browns probably are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 15, 2015, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
I saw where there was some online appeal to get him NLDS tickets or something. The poor hoor was on a hit list for years!

Buckner the same for the Red Sox.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: stew on October 15, 2015, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
I saw where there was some online appeal to get him NLDS tickets or something. The poor hoor was on a hit list for years!

Buckner the same for the Red Sox.

At least Buckner played! This poor gobdaw was sitting in the stands with his headphones on and the big sad head on him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 15, 2015, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 02:49:48 PM
Quote from: stew on October 15, 2015, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 14, 2015, 12:37:04 PM
I saw where there was some online appeal to get him NLDS tickets or something. The poor hoor was on a hit list for years!

Buckner the same for the Red Sox.

At least Buckner played! This poor gobdaw was sitting in the stands with his headphones on and the big sad head on him.

ESPN did a really good short documentary as part of the "30 for 30" series called Catching Hell about the whole incident. He was one of 3-4 lads that tried to catch the ball, unlucky to actually get it. Typical Cub's fans anyway, looking for something other than a crap team to blame for loosing. 
In someways the long wait for the World Series is part of the appeal of the club, if they win then that appeal is gone (like Boston's wait).

Anyway, Giants are due to be back to win next year, always seem to take a year off  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 04:07:24 PM
True that. That documentary was very sad. Even now, he has never been back to Wrigley Field.

And you are right, the players and organisation pointed out they were still winning when that happened, and it didn't lead to the implosion that night, or the next night. It was a pathetic reaction from the fans.

By the way, where are my Superbowl Tickets?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 15, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 04:07:24 PM
True that. That documentary was very sad. Even now, he has never been back to Wrigley Field.

And you are right, the players and organisation pointed out they were still winning when that happened, and it didn't lead to the implosion that night, or the next night. It was a pathetic reaction from the fans.

By the way, where are my Superbowl Tickets?

Working it :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2015, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 15, 2015, 10:14:22 AMI'd say our resident Toronto resident, Gab, was in the middle firing out abuse and bottles at the blues :)

Not me - I'll be there for the ALCS games though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
Incredible TD last night in the Stanford UCLA game  :o

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/654881452711124992
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 16, 2015, 02:36:56 PM
What the hell? What position does no 8 play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 16, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
That;s the QB, Kevin Hogan. Sometimes you see trick plays where the QB is lined up like a WR and the defence doesn't know if it's a bluff, if they can ignore them, or if something like that is going to happen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 16, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 16, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
That;s the QB, Kevin Hogan. Sometimes you see trick plays where the QB is lined up like a WR and the defence doesn't know if it's a bluff, if they can ignore them, or if something like that is going to happen.

Brilliant, I love the excitement of the flea flicker and of course, the aul statue of liberty play!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 16, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
Boise State's statue of liberty play against Oklahoma I think, in the Fiesta Bowl if I'm right, was a thing of beauty.

It was  Oklahoma. The play is fantastic, and the point they did it at as well, pure guts :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Wfg0n2EE8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Wfg0n2EE8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 16, 2015, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 16, 2015, 02:39:09 PM
That;s the QB, Kevin Hogan. Sometimes you see trick plays where the QB is lined up like a WR and the defence doesn't know if it's a bluff, if they can ignore them, or if something like that is going to happen.

That's brilliant. I'm surprised you don't see more funky stuff like that at free-kicks and corners in soccer, the rewards surely far outweigh the risks/opportunity cost.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 16, 2015, 09:19:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 16, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
Boise State's statue of liberty play against Oklahoma I think, in the Fiesta Bowl if I'm right, was a thing of beauty.

It was  Oklahoma. The play is fantastic, and the point they did it at as well, pure guts :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Wfg0n2EE8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Wfg0n2EE8)

And that wasn't even a touchdown!

The play to tie the game at the end of normal time was great also.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 18, 2015, 11:52:22 PM
Rivers' wife is expecting their 8th child. Feck me pink.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 18, 2015, 11:52:22 PM
Rivers' wife is expecting their 8th child. Feck me pink.

Sure when you have loads of money why not?

He was majestic last night. Didn't deserve to be on the losing side. Really throwing it with some zip at the moment.

Speaking of zip - I'd say the Carolina Panthers receivers hands are sore today. Cam fairly flung it towards the end. Massive result for them and Newton really took the game to the Seahawks secondary unlike a lot of more touted QB's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 19, 2015, 11:23:21 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 18, 2015, 11:52:22 PM
Rivers' wife is expecting their 8th child. Feck me pink.

Sure when you have loads of money why not?

He was majestic last night. Didn't deserve to be on the losing side. Really throwing it with some zip at the moment.

Speaking of zip - I'd say the Carolina Panthers receivers hands are sore today. Cam fairly flung it towards the end. Massive result for them and Newton really took the game to the Seahawks secondary unlike a lot of more touted QB's.

Of course I left him on my bench in my ESPN league as I figured Mariota couldn't have a bad day against the 'Fins. Have gone from 3-1 to 3-3 with some very poor performances over the last few weeks, including a loss to an 0-5 team.

Seahawks look all over the shop and it's now very difficult to see them making the playoffs. They'll have to up things considerably  to end up as a 10-6 team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 11:29:24 AM
Bad loss for the Cardinals yesterday. Appeared way too casual, and in control, and then when momentum shifted they couldn't respond. Palmer's last interception was very poor, and unlike him this past while. That's 4-2 now, and you can't really fritter away wins in the NFL. Maybe the Seahawks will bail them out but Arizona needs to beat Baltimore in Phoenix next weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 19, 2015, 11:45:00 AM
I watched the Ravens last night and they don't look a good team at all. I think the Cardinals receivers will have a field day against their secondary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2015, 11:49:01 AM
Think the Cardinals will get back on track next week but that's a missed opportunity against the Steelers (minus Big Ben).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 11:52:39 AM
Frustrating thing is they were so dominant for most of the game. They just didn't put points on the board. If they had gone ahead by 14 points, they'd have blown them away, I'm sure. Instead they stalled, then the Steelers got a bit of confidence, and Landry Jones played well when he came in. Definitely one left behind them though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 19, 2015, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 18, 2015, 11:52:22 PM
Rivers' wife is expecting their 8th child. Feck me pink.

Sure when you have loads of money why not?

He was majestic last night. Didn't deserve to be on the losing side. Really throwing it with some zip at the moment.

Speaking of zip - I'd say the Carolina Panthers receivers hands are sore today. Cam fairly flung it towards the end. Massive result for them and Newton really took the game to the Seahawks secondary unlike a lot of more touted QB's.
Rivers had Danny WIDE open in the EZ on second down on that last series and threw to Gates in double coverage instead. That's why he's not on the likes of Rodgers or Brady's level. Neither of them would have missed that.
Also he threw 60 f**king passes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
Where does Rivers rank in current QBs. I don't mean historically, I mean right now, if you were picking your 'All Pro' team, where would he come in the voting.

I'd say Rodgers is probably #1, Brady #2. Then what?

Peyton is really struggling these days, so he's well down. Luck is not having the best of times either. Probably Ben Roethlisberger is #3. Rivers might well be '#4 or #5 though. He's better than the majority of QBs playing at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 19, 2015, 01:36:44 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 19, 2015, 01:17:44 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 19, 2015, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 18, 2015, 11:52:22 PM
Rivers' wife is expecting their 8th child. Feck me pink.

Sure when you have loads of money why not?

He was majestic last night. Didn't deserve to be on the losing side. Really throwing it with some zip at the moment.

Speaking of zip - I'd say the Carolina Panthers receivers hands are sore today. Cam fairly flung it towards the end. Massive result for them and Newton really took the game to the Seahawks secondary unlike a lot of more touted QB's.
Rivers had Danny WIDE open in the EZ on second down on that last series and threw to Gates in double coverage instead. That's why he's not on the likes of Rodgers or Brady's level. Neither of them would have missed that.
Also he threw 60 f**king passes.

That was a terrible mistake alright because it's hard to understand how he didn't see him. As for throwing 60+ passes - what was he going to do? Let Melvin Gordon fumble a few more times? 7.7 YPA is more than respectable in the circumstances and he hadn't got his best receiver for most of the second half.

Rodgers wasn't that impressive last night, barely completed half his passes against a pretty ordinary defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 19, 2015, 03:15:32 PM
What is the deal with there being a correlation between a quarterback passing the ball a lot during a game and defeat? A sign that he doesn't trust the rest of the team? Constantly being caught out and having to get rid or get sacked?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 03:17:32 PM
It's normally a sign they are behind and trying to get points quickly.

It can also be a sign that the run game is rubbish, and the only option is to pass.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 19, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
Ah, right. So a lot of passes likely tells you the QB was trying to make up 50-ish yards at a time. Thanks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 03:29:13 PM
Well not so much 50ish yards, but trying to move the ball through the air, which is quicker, and also doesn't eat as much clock as an incomplete pass stops the clock.

Usually it's a sign that the game is going away from them, and they are trying to get back into it. Running the ball is a lot slower process.

There are some teams, Arizona being one recently, who pass the ball a lot more because the run game is poor, regardless of score in the game. This year the Cardinals ground game is a bit better, well a lot better than previous years, so they are a bit more balanced, which is the holy grail of the NFL. "A balanced offence" is a phrase you hear bandied about, because it keeps the opposition on their toes. In previous years the opposition knew they could basically stop the run with 6 defenders, and play nickel (5 defensive backs) to stop the pass. Now they have to keep 7 or 8 in the box, and go with standard defence on the WRs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 19, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
The flip side is also relevant - when teams are in front they tend to stop passing. Rushing plays keep the clock running which favours the leading team and turnovers are generally less frequent on rushing plays than passing plays.

That said, for my money most head coaches are too conservative with their play calling when leading. Most play "not to lose" when in front rather than staying aggressive and playing the football that got them lead in the first place.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2015, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 19, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
The flip side is also relevant - when teams are in front they tend to stop passing. Rushing plays keep the clock running which favours the leading team and turnovers are generally less frequent on rushing plays than passing plays.

That said, for my money most head coaches are too conservative with their play calling when leading. Most play "not to lose" when in front rather than staying aggressive and playing the football that got them lead in the first place.

Agree. It's one of the reasons I like Ariens. I understand being able to run the ball to take time off the clock, and put the game away, and it is great to do it, but loads of coaches, on 3rd and 4 say, will run it again to eat another 30 seconds rather than pass it and try pick up the 1st down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 19, 2015, 04:24:53 PM
Yeah Arians is a great coach in that respect. Belichek and Sean Payton 2 other coaches that like to stay aggressive with a lead.

Also think Ron Rivera is very good at this aspect of game management - last night being a great example. Down 3 at the end and within field goal range most coaches would have settled for a FG attempt. Not 'riverboat Ron'...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 19, 2015, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 19, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
Ah, right. So a lot of passes likely tells you the QB was trying to make up 50-ish yards at a time. Thanks.

As has been said Deiseach the running game might be poor or they are behind a couple of scores or they are running out of time and need to get back into the game, The Pats for example throw a lot of screen passes to soften you up and then Brady will throw deep, the reason why, they have excellent Wide receivers and the best tight end ever in Gronkowski.

The problem with throwing a lot is that it means your defense is on the field more than say a balanced attacking team because less time comes of the clock when you throw the ball a lot, when you have 350lb defensive players running on and off they are going to wear down and this is a big reason why teams that overthrow the ball lose more games than teams with a balanced attack, (well that and the opportunity for interceptions)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 19, 2015, 10:19:11 PM
All good analysis there! Bottom line is this. If you are consistently throwing the ball over 40 times , you more than likely will not be in the playoffs..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 22, 2015, 12:40:29 AM
Blue Jays live to fight another day
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 22, 2015, 03:55:58 AM
All the hype & hysteria the Cubs got beating the Cardinals, and they are now going to get swept without putting up any sort of challenge.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
And more importantly they have fucked up the Back to the Future prediction. Boooo.

Gab, any thoughts on RA Dickey starting the 4th game there? When I heard he was starting such an important game I thought it was very risky. Knuckleballers are notoriously unpredictable. If the ball doesn't move much, then a 70 mph toss up to home plate is soon going to be dispatched to the upper seats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 22, 2015, 09:28:01 AM
Useless piece of trivia of the day: this will be the first World Series featuring two expansion teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 22, 2015, 09:42:26 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
And more importantly they have fucked up the Back to the Future prediction. Boooo.

Gab, any thoughts on RA Dickey starting the 4th game there? When I heard he was starting such an important game I thought it was very risky. Knuckleballers are notoriously unpredictable. If the ball doesn't move much, then a 70 mph toss up to home plate is soon going to be dispatched to the upper seats.

A bad call in hindsight but after performing well in game 4 at Texas you can see why they tried it. I thought all was lost only for a rally last night by Estrada. Still a big ask to win the last 2 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 10:00:47 AM
That's what I mean about knuckleballers though. Even after a great showing you can never tell what he'll be like the next night. It's always a 50-50 proposition I think. With a regular pitcher form is much more predictable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
That's a great stat. Expansion is any team added since 1961 I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 10:24:08 AM
By the way, also in that Mets-Cubs series, Daniel Murphy has set a new baseball record with home runs in 6 consecutive post season games. Fair play to him, that's some doing. In another context he has as many home runs (7) in 9 post season games as Willie Mays and Hank Aaron combined in 42 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on October 22, 2015, 03:53:49 PM
Quote from: deiseach on October 22, 2015, 09:28:01 AM
Useless piece of trivia of the day: this will be the first World Series featuring two expansion teams.

True. Mets fans wouldn' t consider themselves an "expansion team". They are, but think they have a reasonable case in saying they are a replacement team for both the Dodgers and the other NY team to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
The Giants. Yeah, but they are an expansion team alright :) Yer man Chris Berman still says 'The New York Football Giants'. (As opposed to the original NY Baseball Giants)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 22, 2015, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 10:24:08 AM
By the way, also in that Mets-Cubs series, Daniel Murphy has set a new baseball record with home runs in 6 consecutive post season games. Fair play to him, that's some doing. In another context he has as many home runs (7) in 9 post season games as Willie Mays and Hank Aaron combined in 42 games.

As a coach I thought at some point not throwing to him might be an idea? ::)

The cubs are very young and have the best farm system in baseball, they are going to win the world series in the next three years in my opinion, they are going to be that good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 04:24:44 PM
Hard to tell in Baseball stew. It's the one game where massive trades can reallty influence a season, and it's quite hard to make the playoffs. The Cubs will have the Cardinals to deal with every year, and then the other big NL teams like the Giants, Dodgers, Phillies etc.

It's very much a 'window of opportunity' league. If you get the chance, take it. You might not get it again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on October 22, 2015, 05:00:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
The Giants. Yeah, but they are an expansion team alright :) Yer man Chris Berman still says 'The New York Football Giants'. (As opposed to the original NY Baseball Giants)

Reading that, he sounds like he is completely up his own arse/ass. Unfair?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 22, 2015, 06:03:25 PM
I think that is a bit unfair. He's a bit of a buffoon alright but the "New York Football Giants" trope is as hackneyed as they come. You hear it all over the place.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 22, 2015, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 22, 2015, 04:24:44 PM
Hard to tell in Baseball stew. It's the one game where massive trades can reallty influence a season, and it's quite hard to make the playoffs. The Cubs will have the Cardinals to deal with every year, and then the other big NL teams like the Giants, Dodgers, Phillies etc.

It's very much a 'window of opportunity' league. If you get the chance, take it. You might not get it again.

AZ this was a bonus year for the Cubs, they were not expecting to do damage until next year and are at the very start of their window of opportunity.

Their farm system is unreal and they are going to make the players a lot in the next decade, I think they will win the series within the next two years and I despise the Cardinals, as does every Cub and Brewer fan, they are an arrogant organization and they have cheated far worse than the pats ever did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 22, 2015, 06:53:42 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 22, 2015, 06:03:25 PM
I think that is a bit unfair. He's a bit of a buffoon alright but the "New York Football Giants" trope is as hackneyed as they come. You hear it all over the place.

He reminds me of Tommy Smyth, that tube is a national embarassment, 'pickin the aul ball outta the old onion bag' Please!

I have never heard worse and how he got to that level is a mystery of mysteries.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2015, 11:46:35 PM
Tommy Smyth is just someone's idea of a joke. Cringeworthy beyond belief.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 25, 2015, 11:07:29 PM
Vikings beat the Lions 28-19. They are now 4-2. Patriots remain unbeaten after beating jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 26, 2015, 03:39:42 AM
The Cubs are MILES off the top NL leagues , pitching wise. Jake Arrieta is 30 and won 10 games last year. Jon Lester is also not the same guy, on a downward slope. No doubt they have lots of good young position players . Position players don't win titles , elite pitching does.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 28, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
Great game to start the World Series last night - well this morning by the time it finished.

Insane story that the father of the Kansas City starting pitcher died a few hours before the game and Volquez pitched without knowing the story even though most of the media were reporting it during the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 28, 2015, 03:41:59 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 28, 2015, 01:53:15 PM
Great game to start the World Series last night - well this morning by the time it finished.

Insane story that the father of the Kansas City starting pitcher died a few hours before the game and Volquez pitched without knowing the story even though most of the media were reporting it durin

g the game

He knew as he was told on the way to the game apparently, at least that is the way it was reported here so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 28, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
it's been reported otherwise here

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2015/10/28/royals-edinson-volquez-learns-fathers-death-after-start/74726156/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Big day yesterday in college football, as the "Committee" made their first ranking of the year. This will be revisited every Tuesday until the end of the season to try and arrive at the National Semi Finalists, as well as the other 'New Years' bowls.

The Top 25 is

1   Clemson   8-0
2   LSU   7-0
3   Ohio State   8-0   
4   Alabama   7-1

5   Notre Dame   7-1   
6   Baylor   7-0
7   Michigan State   8-0
8   TCU   8-0
9   Iowa   8-0
10   Florida   7-1   
11   Stanford   7-1   
12   Utah   7-1
13   Memphis   8-0   
14   Oklahoma State   8-0
15   Oklahoma   7-1
16   Florida State   7-1   
17   Michigan   6-2   
18   Ole Miss   7-2   
19   Texas A&M   6-2   
20   Mississippi State   6-2   
21   Northwestern   6-2   
22   Temple   7-1   
23   UCLA   6-2   
24   Toledo   7-0   
25   Houston   8-0   

The Big Bowls would be something like

National Semi Final 1 - Orange Bowl  (1) Clemson v (4) Alabama
National Semi Final 2 - Cotton Bowl (2) LSU v (3) Ohio State

Peach Bowl - (9) Iowa v (13) Memphis
Fiesta Bowl - (5) Notre Dame v (8) TCU
Rose Bowl - (11) Stanford v (7) Michigan State
Sugar Bowl - (6) Baylor v (10) Florida

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 04, 2015, 01:45:30 PM
Heading down to see Notre Dame/Pitt and the Steelers/Raiders in Pittsburgh this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 01:47:14 PM
Don't jinx the Irish! If they get over Pitt, they should have a clear run to Stanford. That almost becomes a quarter final if Notre Dame only have that narrow loss to Clemson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 04, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 01:44:16 PM
Big day yesterday in college football, as the "Committee" made their first ranking of the year. This will be revisited every Tuesday until the end of the season to try and arrive at the National Semi Finalists, as well as the other 'New Years' bowls.

The Top 25 is

1   Clemson   8-0
2   LSU   7-0
3   Ohio State   8-0   
4   Alabama   7-1

5   Notre Dame   7-1   
6   Baylor   7-0
7   Michigan State   8-0
8   TCU   8-0
9   Iowa   8-0
10   Florida   7-1   
11   Stanford   7-1   
12   Utah   7-1
13   Memphis   8-0   
14   Oklahoma State   8-0
15   Oklahoma   7-1
16   Florida State   7-1   
17   Michigan   6-2   
18   Ole Miss   7-2   
19   Texas A&M   6-2   
20   Mississippi State   6-2   
21   Northwestern   6-2   
22   Temple   7-1   
23   UCLA   6-2   
24   Toledo   7-0   
25   Houston   8-0   

The Big Bowls would be something like

National Semi Final 1 - Orange Bowl  (1) Clemson v (4) Alabama
National Semi Final 2 - Cotton Bowl (2) LSU v (3) Ohio State

Peach Bowl - (9) Iowa v (13) Memphis
Fiesta Bowl - (5) Notre Dame v (8) TCU
Rose Bowl - (11) Stanford v (7) Michigan State
Sugar Bowl - (6) Baylor v (10) Florida

Wonder were Michigan would be if they hadn't a botched that kick?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2015, 04:56:31 PM
Or Michigan State??? Actually maybe that's the answer. Michigan might be 7th and Michigan State 17th.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on November 04, 2015, 09:26:15 PM
Just watched the Colts Panthers game. Carolina won in overtime in a crazy game. Carolina miles in front and  Luck couldn't hit a pass for the first 3 quarters but then hit a hot streak with 17 unanswered points to take it to overtime in the 4th. Both hit field goals in ot then the colts were driving when a pass was deflected and intercepted.  Panthers win with a field goal.

Panthers move to 7 0 while the colts are in a dog fight in the division. Carolina defense was immense for the first 3 quarters but Tired badly.  Lucky to get the win in the end
. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 PM
For anyone interested Green Bay v Carolina is live on free to air TV on Pick TV Freeview (11), Freesat (144), Sky (152), Virgin Media (123)

Should be a cracking game

(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/HM33vY4h0Nh__9NerWajlcGBFoiTEp4zh0JNPnRg1r2cH6DxhhhbR7l5qm0WAXd-WX5SinIEi0yTvA9ODPcwWxn8n2Ymq8JmklVurtaulSeZt9KcblZUz2xRDaA9br_XYGgbEYNYnJBIbzmJsSadQL2uss4OqP6A=s0-d-e1-ft#http://images.harmony.eu.epsilon.com/ContentHandler/images?id=4226dbef-27da-4ccd-ac06-94e15d9a7014)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 09, 2015, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 08, 2015, 04:24:04 PM
For anyone interested Green Bay v Carolina is live on free to air TV on Pick TV Freeview (11), Freesat (144), Sky (152), Virgin Media (123)

Should be a cracking game

(https://ci5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/HM33vY4h0Nh__9NerWajlcGBFoiTEp4zh0JNPnRg1r2cH6DxhhhbR7l5qm0WAXd-WX5SinIEi0yTvA9ODPcwWxn8n2Ymq8JmklVurtaulSeZt9KcblZUz2xRDaA9br_XYGgbEYNYnJBIbzmJsSadQL2uss4OqP6A=s0-d-e1-ft#http://images.harmony.eu.epsilon.com/ContentHandler/images?id=4226dbef-27da-4ccd-ac06-94e15d9a7014)

The Packers are going to have to right the ship, Rogers has gone off the boil by his standards but the protection is not what it was. I expect them to right the ship and make the superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2015, 07:32:31 AM
Their D is their big problem, over 500 yds given up on 3 straight games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 09, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
The Vikings and Green Bay in two weeks time could be quite the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2015, 10:37:21 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 09, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
The Vikings and Green Bay in two weeks time could be quite the game.

I'd expect the Packers to be more than comfortable. The Vikings are not as good a team as their record suggests and some of the advanced stats show them up. They started out with one of the handiest schedules and their run in is one of the toughtest. The next five go @Raiders (although they took a backwards step yesterday), Pack, @Falcons, Seahawks, @Cardinals.

Still though, divisional and historic rivals fighting it out for the NFC North should make it fun. At the end of the season though, I expect GB to win the division with a few games to spare.

I can't stand the guy, but have to give Newton a lot of credit this season. He'd looked average enough for the last year or two but has really stood up so far this season and the chatter about MVP candidacy is merited. Still not convinced by the Panthers as a Super Bowl team overall but they should go at least 10-0. Impressive having lost Benjamin for the season in training camp.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 09, 2015, 03:10:53 PM
Big injury blow for the Pats yesterday. Dion Lewis could be gone for the year. They're better than everyone else at next man up, but they don't have anyone for this . Potentially huge loss...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on November 09, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Knicks still dubious, but Kris Porzingis, their pick from the last draft is already special.  He's the steal of the draft, and if he avoids injury, will be a great player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 09, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Knicks still dubious, but Kris Porzingis, their pick from the last draft is already special.  He's the steal of the draft, and if he avoids injury, will be a great player.

Yeah, he looks fantastic. New York will ruin him though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on November 09, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 09, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 09, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Knicks still dubious, but Kris Porzingis, their pick from the last draft is already special.  He's the steal of the draft, and if he avoids injury, will be a great player.

Yeah, he looks fantastic. New York will ruin him though.

Doubt it.   More likely they trade him for a  star player past his best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 10, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Regarding Rodgers, and btw, I think he's a great QB. He has ZERO wins on the road against teams with a winning record from 2012!! He's nowhere close to Brady in terms of leadership of his team. A good few sources indicating that himself and McCarthy aren't dying about each other. Past Packers like Jennings , Findlay and Jennings all less than complimentary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 10, 2015, 09:19:20 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 10, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Regarding Rodgers, and btw, I think he's a great QB. He has ZERO wins on the road against teams with a winning record from 2012!! He's nowhere close to Brady in terms of leadership of his team. A good few sources indicating that himself and McCarthy aren't dying about each other. Past Packers like Jennings , Findlay and Jennings all less than complimentary.

Jennings is a douchebag, always was around town, Rodgers made him look better than he was, Rodgers is very popular with the players and Findlay loved him right up until the point he couldnt catch the ball anymore, Rodgers lost faith in him and he should have.

McCarthy is a poor coach, he is far too predictable and Rodgers should be calling his own plays at this stage if he knows what is coming, just like Manning and Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 10, 2015, 11:12:59 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 09, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 09, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on November 09, 2015, 03:32:52 PM
Knicks still dubious, but Kris Porzingis, their pick from the last draft is already special.  He's the steal of the draft, and if he avoids injury, will be a great player.

Yeah, he looks fantastic. New York will ruin him though.

Doubt it.   More likely they trade him for a  star player past his best.

Ha, maybe. The Zen master could bring Kobe to New York and force KP into the triangle with him and Melo. Kobe and Melo could lure teams in by shooting bricks at 30% all night and then bang, just when they get lulled into a false sense of security, KP takes over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 11, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 10, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Regarding Rodgers, and btw, I think he's a great QB. He has ZERO wins on the road against teams with a winning record from 2012!! He's nowhere close to Brady in terms of leadership of his team. A good few sources indicating that himself and McCarthy aren't dying about each other. Past Packers like Jennings , Findlay and Jennings all less than complimentary.

Careful Cadhlacian. you're not allowed to criticise the great one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 11, 2015, 11:48:14 AM
Watched most of the Bears/Chargers game the other night. Two pretty mediocre teams but I'm a little encouraged by the improvement in the Bears. They're not a joke any more but still a long way off being competitive with the better teams. There's a good ethic about them as you'd expect John Fox to bring. Gase seems to have Cutler doing well enough. Guy has a rocket arm but is just a bit inaccurate at times. Will he be kept for next year? It's debatable now. He might just be worth holding on to. Pernell McPhee didn't really register on the stat sheet but he had a big game. Constantly double teamed he kept at it and created the opportunity that a fresh Lamarr Houton capitalised on to end the game with 2 sacks. He's a top acquisition. Will be a long term project, building through the draft but encouraging signs.

Poor old Rivers has men falling by the wayside all round him. I have him on one fantasy team and it's a great scenario - no run game, crap defense, has to throw all the time. Real life - not so good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 11, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Stew, let's get this straight , I think Rodgers is a great QB. End of story. However, despite what you say, he's not as popular in the dressing room as one might think, and very few players who left Indy,Pats or Denver ever called out Brady or Manning. Mike McCarthy is widely acknowledged as being one of the best offensive minds in the NFL. Any correlation between him not calling the plays this year and a drop in Rodgers production? Also , ONE road win against over 500 teams since 2012 is a damming statistic. Even more damming is TWO playoff wins total since the 2011 SB, one against the mighty Joe Webb and the other when Dallas got robbed in Lambeau last year....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 11, 2015, 10:32:29 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 11, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Stew, let's get this straight , I think Rodgers is a great QB. End of story. However, despite what you say, he's not as popular in the dressing room as one might think, and very few players who left Indy,Pats or Denver ever called out Brady or Manning. Mike McCarthy is widely acknowledged as being one of the best offensive minds in the NFL. Any correlation between him not calling the plays this year and a drop in Rodgers production? Also , ONE road win against over 500 teams since 2012 is a damming statistic. Even more damming is TWO playoff wins total since the 2011 SB, one against the mighty Joe Webb and the other when Dallas got robbed in Lambeau last year....

I am not a Packers fan but I think Rodgers in a great QB and will be viewed in the top 5 of all time when he is finished. You can't use W/L as a QB stat, there are too many other variables, running game, defence, special teams. A recent example is the NFC title game last year, McCarthy was at fault there with his conservative play calling, and obviously Bostick making a balls of the onside kick.

As for McCarthy being a great offensive mind, I dunno about that, he certainly isn't a great head coach. It's a lot easier with someone like Rodgers throwing to Jordy Nelson. Whoever is calling the plays this year isn't helping

By the way Rodgers isn't playing at last years level but he still has 19 TD 3 INT & a QB rating of 108.2

If Mc Carthy doesent sort out the D it won't matter who is playing QB

I thought this was interesting

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/11/10/all-22-aaron-rodgers-packers-mike-mccarthy



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 12, 2015, 03:05:21 AM
Good article alright. I would disagree slightly regarding w/l's as an indicator of greatness. Manning was average in the playoffs, Brady is different class. That is what essentially separates them. He beat the Vikings backup and should have lost to the Cowboys at home last year. I actually backed the Packers at +450 against Seattle last year , so don't start me on that!😁😁
Do you think his playoff record is good? Rest assured, his playoff record will determine if he makes that top 5 all time list...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 12, 2015, 05:19:31 AM
Warriors picked up where they left off last year, absolutely whooping teams. Curry on another planet at the minute and to think he's the oldest starter at the minute at 27, Ezeli (who has stepped it up) is 26, Thompson 26, Green 25 and Barnes 23. This team could dominate for years, I guess if nobody gets too greedy.

Forgot to add 6 of their 9 wins have come against play off teams from last year. Game against the Clippers was superb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2015, 06:26:22 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 12, 2015, 05:19:31 AM
Warriors picked up where they left off last year, absolutely whooping teams. Curry on another planet at the minute and to think he's the oldest starter at the minute at 27, Ezeli (who has stepped it up) is 26, Thompson 26, Green 25 and Barnes 23. This team could dominate for years, I guess if nobody gets too greedy.

Forgot to add 6 of their 9 wins have come against play off teams from last year. Game against the Clippers was superb.

Thompson and Draymond both signed in the last year. The NBA cap jumps enormously, twice, in the next three years or so. They'll be fine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 12, 2015, 08:58:07 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 12, 2015, 03:05:21 AM
Good article alright. I would disagree slightly regarding w/l's as an indicator of greatness. Manning was average in the playoffs, Brady is different class. That is what essentially separates them. He beat the Vikings backup and should have lost to the Cowboys at home last year. I actually backed the Packers at +450 against Seattle last year , so don't start me on that!😁😁
Do you think his playoff record is good? Rest assured, his playoff record will determine if he makes that top 5 all time list...

I just don't see W/L as a reliable gauge for an individual player in the NFL, looking at Rodgers stats in playoff games he has 23TD 7INT & a QB rating of 101, it's not as if he is getting into the playoffs and going to pieces, like Manning has done for example.

We will have to wait until his career is finished on this argument, he is only 31 but for some people to say he is over rated (not you) is just insane when you look at his stats.

Rodgers is tied 25th in career pass TDs

He is tied *205th* in career INTs

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/10/31/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-quarterback-analytics

Obviously stats aren't everything but they tell you a lot
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2015, 12:14:57 AM
Vikings win and Packers lose. What a good Sunday. Really,  really sets up next Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 16, 2015, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2015, 12:14:57 AM
Vikings win and Packers lose. What a good Sunday. Really,  really sets up next Sunday.

The packers are in free-fall but should right the ship as I cannot see Rodgers losing four in a row.

The vikings have, in the fairly recent past........... Been involved in a love boat that embarrassed the club, their roof caved in at the metrodome, they forgot to send in their first round draft pick and they killed a player because they refused to ltt the players drink in 80% weather because they claimed it was a sign of weakness, one last thing, one of their number was charged and convicted of drugging and raping multiple women in the past year and a half.

The vikings are one of the worst run organizations in the country!


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2015, 01:14:18 AM
Fecking Brady

He is the GOAT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2015, 04:59:55 AM
Quote from: stew on November 16, 2015, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2015, 12:14:57 AM
Vikings win and Packers lose. What a good Sunday. Really,  really sets up next Sunday.

The packers are in free-fall but should right the ship as I cannot see Rodgers losing four in a row.

The vikings have, in the fairly recent past........... Been involved in a love boat that embarrassed the club, their roof caved in at the metrodome, they forgot to send in their first round draft pick and they killed a player because they refused to ltt the players drink in 80% weather because they claimed it was a sign of weakness, one last thing, one of their number was charged and convicted of drugging and raping multiple women in the past year and a half.

The vikings are one of the worst run organizations in the country!

Are you holding them accountable for the weather now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 16, 2015, 05:16:50 AM
The packers are done, regardless if they win or lose next week. Win and they'll win the division, lose and they'll be lucky to make the playoffs. No running game and an average defense . Barely making the current top 10...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2015, 05:46:16 AM
Quote from: stew on November 16, 2015, 12:27:25 AM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on November 16, 2015, 12:14:57 AM
Vikings win and Packers lose. What a good Sunday. Really,  really sets up next Sunday.

The packers are in free-fall but should right the ship as I cannot see Rodgers losing four in a row.

The vikings have, in the fairly recent past........... Been involved in a love boat that embarrassed the club, their roof caved in at the metrodome, they forgot to send in their first round draft pick and they killed a player because they refused to ltt the players drink in 80% weather because they claimed it was a sign of weakness, one last thing, one of their number was charged and convicted of drugging and raping multiple women in the past year and a half.

The vikings are one of the worst run organizations in the country!

So it doesn't set up next Sunday then? Or what's your point?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 16, 2015, 05:59:57 AM
Great win by the Cards. Did well after losing the 19pt lead. Look like they have the Div wrapped up now with a 3 game lead.
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Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 11:49:37 AM
Super win. Losing a lead (which will have to be addressed) in the manner they did, with 2 strip sacks leading directly to two TDs, in the 4th quarter would normally kill you. They marched down the field in two drives and scored 10 points. That was brilliant.

Worried about Floyds injury though, he's been a real TD target the last few games. Did anyone see the Arizona backup QB going mental on the line as Ellington took the decisive TD to the house? Very funny. White men can't jump or dance.

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2015, 04:19:10 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 04:37:12 PM
I wonder will they stay top 4? Standford's loss was a bollix though, unless they still go ahead and win the PAC 12. Baylor losing was great for them though, now if Oklahoma State lose as well, the BIG 12 will possibly have eliminated itself again.

Clemson - no reason to drop them.
Alabama - Ditto
Ohio State - Ditto
Notre Dame - ?
Iowa - didn't do enough to jump over ND
Baylor? - Good luck.
Oklahoma State maybe into the top 4?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 16, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
If ND beat Standford they're in. End of story. This is about ESPN and money. Iowa have no chance , their schedule is ridiculous, and that's why they won't get in...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 16, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
If ND beat Standford they're in. End of story. This is about ESPN and money. Iowa have no chance , their schedule is ridiculous, and that's why they won't get in...
If Iowa win the Big 10 they'll be in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 16, 2015, 05:26:50 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 16, 2015, 05:16:50 AM
The packers are done, regardless if they win or lose next week. Win and they'll win the division, lose and they'll be lucky to make the playoffs. No running game and an average defense . Barely making the current top 10...

Why have they no running game? What has happened Lacy? He looks fat but surely if it was conditioning he'd have been whipped into shape by now. I think they don't leave any value on running the football and that has proved to be their Achilles heel time and time again in this era. Rodgers is no doubt a great QB but to arrogantly believe he can always carry the full team on his back as I think they do is foolish.

In a way they might be better to scrape into the playoffs if they can avoid playing in poor weather conditions. Playing their finesse passing game in Lambeau in January with no running game to keep the defence honest is difficult.

I think they're the worst team in the NFL for looking for flags, at it constantly last night especially towards the end. It's led by Rodgers and McCarthy but they were all looking for them last night, Adams, Cobb for sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 16, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
Have keep a good eye on the college ball this year, gearing up for a great finish. Still baffles the system they have in place but the top 4 I think will go to a top 8 because of the money generated. Harbaugh has turned Michigan from a joke to a top team. Hope ND wins out and gets a place
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 03:36:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 16, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
If ND beat Standford they're in. End of story. This is about ESPN and money. Iowa have no chance , their schedule is ridiculous, and that's why they won't get in...
If Iowa win the Big 10 they'll be in.
no they won't....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 03:36:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 05:06:54 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 16, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
If ND beat Standford they're in. End of story. This is about ESPN and money. Iowa have no chance , their schedule is ridiculous, and that's why they won't get in...
If Iowa win the Big 10 they'll be in.
no they won't....

You think not? That probably means they'll have beaten Ohio State, who will be #1,#2 or #3 team. Iowa are ranked 5 at the moment I think. If they win the Big 10 and go undefeated, beating Ohio State (or even Michigan State) in the final, I can't see them being left out.

Clemson are in unless they blow up. Alabama are in if they win the SEC. Notre Dame are in if they beat Stanford, probably, especially if Stanford go on to win the PAC 12, but that will mean the PAC-12 will be out.

If that's the case, it will come down to the Big 12, who the committee don't like, or the Big 10 Champ. If that's Iowa, how do you leave them out? Maybe if Oklahoma or Oklahoma State Win out? Baylor and TCU are done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 06:18:00 PM
Apologies. I meant they won't beat OS..no chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 06:32:10 PM
Current rankings

1) Patriots
2) panthers
3) cardinals
4) Bengals
5) Vikings
6) Falcons
7) Broncos
8) Packers
9) Seahawks
10) Jets
11) Steelers
12) Chiefs
13) Eagles
14) Bills
14) raiders
15) Giants
16) Bears
17) Rams
18) Colts
19) Texans
20) Dolphins
21) Redskins
22) Saints
23) Jaguars
24) Chargers
25) Cowboys
26) Browns
27) lions
28) 49ers
29) Buccs
30) Ravens

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2015, 08:55:54 PM
I wouldn't have the Vikings or Falcons that high.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 09:25:58 PM
Ok, who below them, would you have above them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 17, 2015, 09:50:23 PM
Cardinals are too high too. Come on. Stop jinxing them.  :)

Power rankings are always interesting, but if you use the premise that 'who would win a 7 game series on a neutral site' then I would say the Falcons would be in danger against the Packers and Seahawks. I think the Rams are a bit low too, but their record doesn't give them the right to be any higher I suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on November 17, 2015, 09:58:15 PM
There's no way the panthers are #2 best team. Standard has been poor this year and injuries to some starting QB's like Romo and Big Ben have skewed rankings slightly.

Patriots still the team to beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 10:07:25 PM
Right now, where would you have the Panthers then?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on November 17, 2015, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 10:07:25 PM
Right now, where would you have the Panthers then?

On current results they are 2nd in the rankings because of their unbeaten run and rightly so - they were very lucky to beat the colts a couple of weeks back. They folded in the last quarter and Luck nearly pulled off the win.

I think the true story won't unfold until they hit a bump in the road. Cowboys with romo back and the giants and the divisonal games v the falcons will really show that they are made of.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 10:31:51 PM
That's who I said
" current rankings"....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 17, 2015, 11:33:45 PM
I actually think the Panthers are legit. Super defense and Cam is just beasting, getting better and better. He's a big fcuker too unlike most running QB's. If he had a money receiver besides Olsen I'd be really excited about them - how they must miss Kelvin Benjamin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 17, 2015, 11:42:01 PM
Jay Cutler has a higher completion %, higher passing yards/game and YPA than Aaron Rodgers so far this season. And it's not like all his weapons have been fit and firing all year either. Now he's obviously still a middle of the road QB but he's doing a decent job and might be actually saving his job which I think everyone thought unlikely at the start of the season. Only 5 INT's so far - that could happen previously in two games!!! Hopefully da Bears have turned the corner and can remain competitive from here on and build for next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on November 18, 2015, 03:37:00 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 17, 2015, 10:31:51 PM
That's who I said
" current rankings"....
Dolphins beat the eagles at the weekend and are still 7 places below them, they gave the Texans a mauling 3 weeks ago and are a place below them too.

The rankings are not a great guideline.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 18, 2015, 05:13:41 AM
FC, I literally did that in about 5 mins ,of the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few off the mark. Would the Giants have jumped above the Pats if Gostowski had missed that 54 yarder on Sunday?? Should the Bengals be below the Texans now??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 18, 2015, 09:22:38 AM
The 49ers are way too high on that list.

And as they somehow managed to beat the Vikings and Falcons, those 2 teams don't deserve to be anywhere near the top.

signed, 1 disgruntled 49ers fan  :-\

4 teams stand out for me - Panthers (who are absolutely legit), Cardinals, Bengals and Pats. The problem as always for these teams is staying healthy. We're seeing this already with the Patriots injuries.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 18, 2015, 02:14:27 PM
I think the list is rating my Browns way, way too high.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on November 18, 2015, 02:15:42 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 18, 2015, 05:13:41 AM
FC, I literally did that in about 5 mins ,of the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few off the mark. Would the Giants have jumped above the Pats if Gostowski had missed that 54 yarder on Sunday?? Should the Bengals be below the Texans now??

No worries - if you're going on results alone they're a #2 team. I thought this was some official rankings you posted.

From what I've seen of them I really don't fancy the panthers at all, even though they've picked up a couple of scalps along the way with Seahawks and Packers.
Their defense has done well but their offense is pretty suspect. If the opposition ever figure out to get tight on Greg Olsen....


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 18, 2015, 06:34:38 PM
Warriors go to 12-0, rode there luck in the last few games but I can't get enough of watching them.

Big, big game against the Clippers on Thursday, hopefully it's not unlucky 13.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
The College Football playoffs just got interesting.. Ohio State may just have coughed up a chance at retaining the title, as they've been mediocre all year and just lost to Michigan State at home. They might still win the Big10, if they get a flukey result between Michigan State and Penn State, but it's unlikely and they won't be in if they don't win the Big 10. Which opens it up for Iowa. I'd say Iowa will be in the top 4 this week, and if they can win the Big 10, beating Michigan State, they will be in for sure.

Notre Dame may have played their way out of the top 4 this week, ahead of a very tough visit to Stanford. They've lost a starting Corner and probably the starting RB as well this week, so the task is very difficult for them. I know the 'brand' will influence people, but if Notre Dame don't beat Stanford well, I don't think they are in.

I think the top 4 this week are Clemson, Alabama, Iowa and Oklahoma. And I think unless Oklahoma loses again, I think that's the top 4 at the end, with Iowa's spot going to the Big 10 Champion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 23, 2015, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 23, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
The College Football playoffs just got interesting.. Ohio State may just have coughed up a chance at retaining the title, as they've been mediocre all year and just lost to Michigan State at home. They might still win the Big10, if they get a flukey result between Michigan State and Penn State, but it's unlikely and they won't be in if they don't win the Big 10. Which opens it up for Iowa. I'd say Iowa will be in the top 4 this week, and if they can win the Big 10, beating Michigan State, they will be in for sure.

Notre Dame may have played their way out of the top 4 this week, ahead of a very tough visit to Stanford. They've lost a starting Corner and probably the starting RB as well this week, so the task is very difficult for them. I know the 'brand' will influence people, but if Notre Dame don't beat Stanford well, I don't think they are in.

I think the top 4 this week are Clemson, Alabama, Iowa and Oklahoma. And I think unless Oklahoma loses again, I think that's the top 4 at the end, with Iowa's spot going to the Big 10 Champion.

Stanford will beat ND and knock them out of the top 4. No way they can be there with a loss
I don't see Oklahoma State in the top 4 this week but the winner of of the Oklahoma State/Oklahoma game will end up at 4 with the way things are running.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2015, 05:04:52 PM
Hard to see ND beating Stanford alright. They are too beat up, and it looks like Prosise is out as well. I don't think Oklahoma State will be in the top 4, in fact I think they are goosed unless ND lose to Stanford and they win the Big 12, but I suspect Oklahoma might be in there this week, along with Iowa, and ND will have to beat Stanford and hope Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 23, 2015, 11:31:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 23, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
The College Football playoffs just got interesting.. Ohio State may just have coughed up a chance at retaining the title, as they've been mediocre all year and just lost to Michigan State at home. They might still win the Big10, if they get a flukey result between Michigan State and Penn State, but it's unlikely and they won't be in if they don't win the Big 10. Which opens it up for Iowa. I'd say Iowa will be in the top 4 this week, and if they can win the Big 10, beating Michigan State, they will be in for sure.

Notre Dame may have played their way out of the top 4 this week, ahead of a very tough visit to Stanford. They've lost a starting Corner and probably the starting RB as well this week, so the task is very difficult for them. I know the 'brand' will influence people, but if Notre Dame don't beat Stanford well, I don't think they are in.

I think the top 4 this week are Clemson, Alabama, Iowa and Oklahoma. And I think unless Oklahoma loses again, I think that's the top 4 at the end, with Iowa's spot going to the Big 10 Champion.
If ND beat Stanford, they will be in . Regardless of how much or how they beat them, and regardless if Iowa beats Sparty ( which they won't ), they WILL be in...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2015, 11:41:16 PM
I don't know. I'm not sure we'll find out, but I think the big 10 champ gets in before them, and so do Oklahoma if they beat ok state.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 24, 2015, 12:00:41 AM
I'm not saying they would deserve to be in if they beat Stanford. Although a narrow loss on the road at Clemson aren't bad credentials. My point is, if it's anywhere close or contentious, Notre Dame will get in. Too much money involved ....what's new I suppose...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 09:27:52 AM
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 08:34:32 AM
Clemson, Alabama, Iowa and Oklahoma are the top 4. Michigan State 5 and ND 6.

I think ND are out. You can't drop the Big 10 champ, if it's the current #3 or #5 and if Oklahoma beat TCU, Baylor and Oklahoma State, all highly ranked teams, 1 after the other, they have to stay in, you can't punish them if they beat OK State.

I think Notre Dame has missed the boat unless Ok State beat Oklahoma.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on November 25, 2015, 01:34:07 PM
Lads, can any of the college football fans here give me a basic rundown of how the competitions are run? How do you make the main bowl (final)? Are there different groups and results are weighted based on the quality of teams you play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
Wooo. And you thought the Kerry County Championship was hard? :)

I wrote something on this before, lets see if I can dig it out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Most people in Ireland are vaguely aware of NCAA (college) American Football. Everyone has heard of the marching bands and the cheerleaders; most have seen 'Rudy', 'the Blind Side' or one of the other football movies; many have heard of Notre Dame (the Fighting Irish), and quite a few may even have attended the series of games in Dublin which started in the 90s. Notre Dame, Navy, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Boston College and Army all played games in Croke Park or the old Lansdowne Road, and the fixture has renewed in this century with Notre Dame and Navy again in the new Aviva at Lansdowne Road and Penn State and University of Central Florida in Croke Park.
With BT Sports and ESPN joining forces to add ESPN to the BT Sports package, a lot of sports fans in Ireland have access to a lot of College Football and ,with another memorable occasion sure to take place next year with Boston College and Georgia Tech visiting the Aviva Stadium, let's take a look at, and try to explain, some of the nuances of the phenomenon that is College Football.
The History
College Football is one of the oldest sports in the United States, and the first National Champion was crowned in 1869 (Princeton). The game back then was much different to what is played today, but essentially the spirit of college football was born then, and this longevity is comparable with anything on this side of the pond.
The early days of the game were dominated by the Ivy League type schools, as names like Princeton, Yale and Harvard dominate the initial roll of honour, but as the game became more popular it spread from its base in the north east and you begin to see champions from the North and Mid West, such as Michigan, Minnesota and Chicago emerge, as well as the initial 'green shoots' from the area now dominant, the South. Louisiana State University (LSU) was co-champion in 1908, while Auburn got a share of the title in 1909.
Terms like 'co-champions' and 'got a share of' hint at one of the frustrating and confusing aspects of this great competition, especially as Irish people are looking in from afar. Until 1998 (more anon) the National Champions were crowned by opinion poll, as crazy as that seems to us. Basically all the schools played their seasons out, and all throughout the season, from week to week, various organisations (such as sports writers, coaches, media outlets etc) published their polls to name their top 25 teams, and more importantly, their number 1. This voting system was essentially, at its simplest, a group of people deciding that IF a team from California (say) were to play a team from Georgia or somewhere like that, which one would probably win, and basing their top 25 on a whole host of hypothetical situations like that.
Of course there were tangible factors as well, such as the results of games against other contenders and the results of other games your opponents played (known as strength of schedule) , but there is no doubt that the entire process was highly unsatisfactory and very subjective. There were also charges of bias towards colleges in the Central or Eastern time zones as voters got to see all those games in the television age, whereas a 7pm game in California had a 10pm kick off in New York and viewing figures suffered accordingly. As each polling organisation obviously felt theirs was the most accurate poll, you had many instances of multiple teams being awarded 'shares' in the National Championship, as the NCAA recognised all the polls equally.
In 1998, the NCAA decided to try and name their national champions on the field, which seems obvious to us in Ireland but was a huge step because of the history and politics involved. However their solution (the BCS or Bowl Championship Series), while better than the predecessors, was still fundamentally flawed and based on factors not in the direct control of the competing schools. The system still relied on a combination of the pollsters, plus a highly complex computer weighting algorithm based on strength of schedule, winning margins and other factors, and at the end of it all, the computer spat out the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the country who faced off in a National Championship Game. Of course it was better to have such a game, but critics still pointed to the subjective element involved and there were active proponents of a playoff system such as that operating in the NFL.

In 2014, those proponents got their wish, partially at least, with the introduction of the College Football Playoffs. This development is intended to identify the top 4 teams in the country, and have National Championship Semi Finals and Finals. Of course, given the nature of the season and sheer numbers of eligible teams, the process for arriving at this final four is still quite subjective, and shrouded in a deal of secrecy. Essentially a selection committee has been appointed, made up of very respected figures from the world of College Football and beyond- including, rather bizarrely, Condoleezza Rice. From a period roughly mid season, November 3rd this year, the committee meets weekly and discusses a whole host of factors before publicising their top 25. Each week is supposed to be completely independently evaluated from the prior week, and at the end of the regular season the committee identifies their top 25, including the crucial slots in the top 4, who then go on to play the semi final and final bowl games. (more anon)
The Nicknames
One of the features of college football is the pageantry, history and colour which surrounds the game, and it is this that draws in many casual fans initially. The cheerleaders, mascots and 'fight songs' are all big parts of this festival type atmosphere, and all colleges have a nickname, and a theme around their game festivities that is based on that nickname. The nickname is normally either related to the location, wildlife or history of the school itself and some of the more famous include the Notre Dame 'Fighting Irish', the Miami 'Hurricanes',  The USC 'Trojans', Ohio State 'Buckeyes' and the Michigan 'Wolverines'.
Some colleges go to great lengths to promote this nickname, and mascot, and pre game displays can include such scenes as an American Indian from the Seminole Tribe riding on horseback and plunging a burning spear into the end zone as a challenge to Florida State (the Seminoles) opponents. Notre Dame have a somewhat cringeworthy leprechaun, while LSU have a real Bengal Tiger on the sideline during a game. Woe betide any referee that crosses the bayou faithful!
That's the (very brief) background and history, so let's take a look how the season is structured, and what you may watch on ESPN  as it unfolds.

The Regular Season
There are 128 schools eligible to compete to be crowned National Champions, and the majority of these schools compete in conferences which are primarily geographically based (similar to our provincial championships in the GAA). Each of these conferences operates like a co-op where negotiation with TV is done on a collective basis, revenue sharing, etc. There are 5 conferences which are deemed superior to the rest, (The Power 5) and 5 other conferences (The Group of Five) which are deemed 'mid' majors or, more brutally, good but not great. There are also a small number of independents (operating outside conference boundaries, usually because they want to maintain autonomy in TV deals etc.) who are eligible, as part of the 128.
Each team plays a regular season schedule of between 10-12 games, and this schedule consists of intra conference games (which are hugely important in terms of deciding the Conference Champion) and external games against other teams from other conferences which can be vital in terms of boosting strength of schedule. Teams in weak conferences will try to schedule games against strong teams to boost their strength of schedule (a big factor in the Playoff Selection Committee deliberations), while teams in strong conferences will try to schedule games that either make a lot of money for them, or are of minimal risk in terms of a loss. Independents, obviously, play all of their games on the basis of strength of schedule and money from TV.
A lot of schools have inter conference games they schedule regularly, for years in advance, because of rivalries built up over the years. Notre Dame figure in quite a few of these, such as games with University of Southern California (USC), Navy, Stanford and the 'Holy War' against Boston College (Both colleges are seen as intensely Irish and Catholic).
The Conferences
The 5 major conferences are :
Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), which is based around the east coast and features teams such as Boston College, Clemson, Miami and Florida State.
The Big 12, which is located in the central/ south central states of the USA. The main teams here are Oklahoma, Texas and Baylor and TCU.
The Big 10 (which actually has 12 members in 2015), is centred around the northern central states, and has notables in Ohio State, Michigan, Penn(sylvania) State and Nebraska (who has recently defected from the Big 12).
The Pacific Athletic Conference (PAC)-12 is located in the south west and west coasts, and features teams from Arizona to Washington, including big hitters such as University of Southern California, UCLA and Oregon.
Finally we have the South Eastern Conference, the SEC, the most powerful conference at the moment. The SEC has provided 7 of the last 10 national champions, although neither of the last 2. Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Louisiana State would be the biggest names here, however competition in the SEC is fierce and other teams like Ole Miss (seen in the movie Blind Side) certainly provide stiff competition.

The 5 'lesser' Conferences, or the Group of Five, are :
Conference USA, based around the southern states.
Mid American Conference (The MAC), which is based around the Great Lakes area.
Mountain West Conference, based around the Western US.
The Sun Belt Conference, also based around the south.
The American Athletic Conference,  which has schools from all around the south, south east and east
Finally, the 3 independents eligible are Notre Dame, Brigham Young (BYU) and Army.
Post Season and the Bowl Games
The basic aim of every team in the country is to end the season with a winning record (more wins than losses). Finishing with a winning record makes you eligible for a 'Bowl' game, which is a postseason game that earns the school money, and is played against a team from a different conference.
Currently there are 41 bowl games, including the National Championship semi finals and final, which ensures that  80 teams out of the 128 get some sort of reward game in the post season. We'll discuss the Playoff  bowls later on, but let's take a look at the other bowls for a moment, as this is another element of college football that people find strange.
Firstly, what is a 'bowl'? Essentially a bowl game is usually a business sponsored game, also focused on the tourism benefits, which rewards both participants financially, and rewards the host city by attracting visitors to the city for several days either side of the game.
As the profile of the games go up, so too do the financial rewards accruing to the schools and indeed to the cities as more and more fans descend to have a good time. There is also a recruiting benefit as bowl games get national TV coverage, and may help young High School athletes decide to go to a particular college if they are often competing in such games.
So, with 41 bowl games, and 80 slots to fill, who decides what teams play where? This is the essence of the bowl system, and if you understand this, you'll understand all of college football. Again, let's worry about the non-Playoff bowls first.
The first thing about bowls that you need to understand is that they are tied to conferences in many cases. For example, the Cactus Bowl, played in Phoenix, Arizona, has a contractual arrangement that allows, and obligates, it to invite the 6th place team in the Big 12, and the 7th placed PAC 12 team. The Outback Bowl, in Florida, has its choice of SEC teams left over after other big bowl contracts are fulfilled, and a team in the Big 10.  There are contingencies in place in case some of those contracted positions are ineligible because of not having a winning record, but that very seldom happens.
This contractual arrangement means that in the vast majority of the cases, the teams know themselves which bowl they are going to at the end of the season, although there are instances where the bowl can choose to pick either the 3rd, 4th or 5th team in the SEC, for example, based on how they think it will affect the marketability of the game.
And so to the Playoff bowls, or as they have become known, the 'New Years Six'.  What are they, and why are they different? Basically, the main differences between the Playoff bowls and the rest of the bowls are a)prestige but b) and more importantly in this era, 2 of those 6 games serve as the semi finals for the National Championship. As the name implies, there are 6 playoff bowls, and on a rotating basis 2 are annointed semi finals each year. In 2015/16 the semi finals will be the Cotton Bowl, in Arlington Texas, and the Orange Bowl in Miami, Florida.  The teams designated as 1 through 4 compete in these semi finals, and the Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl Champion will meet in the National Championship Final in Phoeniz Arizona on January 11th 2016.

The following tie-ins exist for bowls in the years they are not hosting the national semi finals, and assuming their tie in teams are not in the semi finals:

Rose Bowl — The oldest bowl of them all, in Pasadena, California. Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar Bowl — In New Orleans, Louisiana. SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Orange Bowl — In Miami, Florida.  ACC #1 vs. SEC #2, Big Ten #2, or Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl — In Arlington, Texas.  At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Fiesta Bowl — In Phoenix, Arizona. At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Peach Bowl — In Atlanta, Georgia. At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)

The Group of Five selection is simply that the highest ranked team from the 'Group of Five' conferences is guaranteed a spot in one of the big 6 bowl games, assuming they are not in the semi final itself. They are placed in a bowl at the committee's discretion. The other At Large teams are basically any team that is ranked highly enough, that the committee feel deserve a spot in the major bowls.
December and January sees the bowl season take place, with the games spread throughout the Christmas and New Year season. It's a feast of television for those with the appetite for it, and while a lot of the bowls are of academic (no pun intended) interest to the non-combatants, the games towards the end are often thrilling fixtures, very closely matched, and show all that is best about the college game. Look out for the period just after New Year as the playoff bowls and the National Championship Game get settled then.
So that's the general gist of it, and if you have a couple of hours on a Saturday evening/night, you should take a look to see what you think, especially if you have any grá for the NFL. The games are on at convenient times because of the spread across the USA, and tend to start about 5pm our time on a Saturday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 25, 2015, 04:52:33 PM
Warriors set new record to start of season 16-0. Hard to know when they'll get beat. Maybe games at Toronto or Pacers. Cavs on Xmas day should be a good one...oh and Kobe needs to retire
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
Kobe and Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 25, 2015, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
Kobe and Peyton Manning.

Correct
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on November 25, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Most people in Ireland are vaguely aware of NCAA (college) American Football. Everyone has heard of the marching bands and the cheerleaders; most have seen 'Rudy', 'the Blind Side' or one of the other football movies; many have heard of Notre Dame (the Fighting Irish), and quite a few may even have attended the series of games in Dublin which started in the 90s. Notre Dame, Navy, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Boston College and Army all played games in Croke Park or the old Lansdowne Road, and the fixture has renewed in this century with Notre Dame and Navy again in the new Aviva at Lansdowne Road and Penn State and University of Central Florida in Croke Park.
With BT Sports and ESPN joining forces to add ESPN to the BT Sports package, a lot of sports fans in Ireland have access to a lot of College Football and ,with another memorable occasion sure to take place next year with Boston College and Georgia Tech visiting the Aviva Stadium, let's take a look at, and try to explain, some of the nuances of the phenomenon that is College Football.
The History
College Football is one of the oldest sports in the United States, and the first National Champion was crowned in 1869 (Princeton). The game back then was much different to what is played today, but essentially the spirit of college football was born then, and this longevity is comparable with anything on this side of the pond.
The early days of the game were dominated by the Ivy League type schools, as names like Princeton, Yale and Harvard dominate the initial roll of honour, but as the game became more popular it spread from its base in the north east and you begin to see champions from the North and Mid West, such as Michigan, Minnesota and Chicago emerge, as well as the initial 'green shoots' from the area now dominant, the South. Louisiana State University (LSU) was co-champion in 1908, while Auburn got a share of the title in 1909.
Terms like 'co-champions' and 'got a share of' hint at one of the frustrating and confusing aspects of this great competition, especially as Irish people are looking in from afar. Until 1998 (more anon) the National Champions were crowned by opinion poll, as crazy as that seems to us. Basically all the schools played their seasons out, and all throughout the season, from week to week, various organisations (such as sports writers, coaches, media outlets etc) published their polls to name their top 25 teams, and more importantly, their number 1. This voting system was essentially, at its simplest, a group of people deciding that IF a team from California (say) were to play a team from Georgia or somewhere like that, which one would probably win, and basing their top 25 on a whole host of hypothetical situations like that.
Of course there were tangible factors as well, such as the results of games against other contenders and the results of other games your opponents played (known as strength of schedule) , but there is no doubt that the entire process was highly unsatisfactory and very subjective. There were also charges of bias towards colleges in the Central or Eastern time zones as voters got to see all those games in the television age, whereas a 7pm game in California had a 10pm kick off in New York and viewing figures suffered accordingly. As each polling organisation obviously felt theirs was the most accurate poll, you had many instances of multiple teams being awarded 'shares' in the National Championship, as the NCAA recognised all the polls equally.
In 1998, the NCAA decided to try and name their national champions on the field, which seems obvious to us in Ireland but was a huge step because of the history and politics involved. However their solution (the BCS or Bowl Championship Series), while better than the predecessors, was still fundamentally flawed and based on factors not in the direct control of the competing schools. The system still relied on a combination of the pollsters, plus a highly complex computer weighting algorithm based on strength of schedule, winning margins and other factors, and at the end of it all, the computer spat out the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the country who faced off in a National Championship Game. Of course it was better to have such a game, but critics still pointed to the subjective element involved and there were active proponents of a playoff system such as that operating in the NFL.

In 2014, those proponents got their wish, partially at least, with the introduction of the College Football Playoffs. This development is intended to identify the top 4 teams in the country, and have National Championship Semi Finals and Finals. Of course, given the nature of the season and sheer numbers of eligible teams, the process for arriving at this final four is still quite subjective, and shrouded in a deal of secrecy. Essentially a selection committee has been appointed, made up of very respected figures from the world of College Football and beyond- including, rather bizarrely, Condoleezza Rice. From a period roughly mid season, November 3rd this year, the committee meets weekly and discusses a whole host of factors before publicising their top 25. Each week is supposed to be completely independently evaluated from the prior week, and at the end of the regular season the committee identifies their top 25, including the crucial slots in the top 4, who then go on to play the semi final and final bowl games. (more anon)
The Nicknames
One of the features of college football is the pageantry, history and colour which surrounds the game, and it is this that draws in many casual fans initially. The cheerleaders, mascots and 'fight songs' are all big parts of this festival type atmosphere, and all colleges have a nickname, and a theme around their game festivities that is based on that nickname. The nickname is normally either related to the location, wildlife or history of the school itself and some of the more famous include the Notre Dame 'Fighting Irish', the Miami 'Hurricanes',  The USC 'Trojans', Ohio State 'Buckeyes' and the Michigan 'Wolverines'.
Some colleges go to great lengths to promote this nickname, and mascot, and pre game displays can include such scenes as an American Indian from the Seminole Tribe riding on horseback and plunging a burning spear into the end zone as a challenge to Florida State (the Seminoles) opponents. Notre Dame have a somewhat cringeworthy leprechaun, while LSU have a real Bengal Tiger on the sideline during a game. Woe betide any referee that crosses the bayou faithful!
That's the (very brief) background and history, so let's take a look how the season is structured, and what you may watch on ESPN  as it unfolds.

The Regular Season
There are 128 schools eligible to compete to be crowned National Champions, and the majority of these schools compete in conferences which are primarily geographically based (similar to our provincial championships in the GAA). Each of these conferences operates like a co-op where negotiation with TV is done on a collective basis, revenue sharing, etc. There are 5 conferences which are deemed superior to the rest, (The Power 5) and 5 other conferences (The Group of Five) which are deemed 'mid' majors or, more brutally, good but not great. There are also a small number of independents (operating outside conference boundaries, usually because they want to maintain autonomy in TV deals etc.) who are eligible, as part of the 128.
Each team plays a regular season schedule of between 10-12 games, and this schedule consists of intra conference games (which are hugely important in terms of deciding the Conference Champion) and external games against other teams from other conferences which can be vital in terms of boosting strength of schedule. Teams in weak conferences will try to schedule games against strong teams to boost their strength of schedule (a big factor in the Playoff Selection Committee deliberations), while teams in strong conferences will try to schedule games that either make a lot of money for them, or are of minimal risk in terms of a loss. Independents, obviously, play all of their games on the basis of strength of schedule and money from TV.
A lot of schools have inter conference games they schedule regularly, for years in advance, because of rivalries built up over the years. Notre Dame figure in quite a few of these, such as games with University of Southern California (USC), Navy, Stanford and the 'Holy War' against Boston College (Both colleges are seen as intensely Irish and Catholic).
The Conferences
The 5 major conferences are :
Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC), which is based around the east coast and features teams such as Boston College, Clemson, Miami and Florida State.
The Big 12, which is located in the central/ south central states of the USA. The main teams here are Oklahoma, Texas and Baylor and TCU.
The Big 10 (which actually has 12 members in 2015), is centred around the northern central states, and has notables in Ohio State, Michigan, Penn(sylvania) State and Nebraska (who has recently defected from the Big 12).
The Pacific Athletic Conference (PAC)-12 is located in the south west and west coasts, and features teams from Arizona to Washington, including big hitters such as University of Southern California, UCLA and Oregon.
Finally we have the South Eastern Conference, the SEC, the most powerful conference at the moment. The SEC has provided 7 of the last 10 national champions, although neither of the last 2. Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Louisiana State would be the biggest names here, however competition in the SEC is fierce and other teams like Ole Miss (seen in the movie Blind Side) certainly provide stiff competition.

The 5 'lesser' Conferences, or the Group of Five, are :
Conference USA, based around the southern states.
Mid American Conference (The MAC), which is based around the Great Lakes area.
Mountain West Conference, based around the Western US.
The Sun Belt Conference, also based around the south.
The American Athletic Conference,  which has schools from all around the south, south east and east
Finally, the 3 independents eligible are Notre Dame, Brigham Young (BYU) and Army.
Post Season and the Bowl Games
The basic aim of every team in the country is to end the season with a winning record (more wins than losses). Finishing with a winning record makes you eligible for a 'Bowl' game, which is a postseason game that earns the school money, and is played against a team from a different conference.
Currently there are 41 bowl games, including the National Championship semi finals and final, which ensures that  80 teams out of the 128 get some sort of reward game in the post season. We'll discuss the Playoff  bowls later on, but let's take a look at the other bowls for a moment, as this is another element of college football that people find strange.
Firstly, what is a 'bowl'? Essentially a bowl game is usually a business sponsored game, also focused on the tourism benefits, which rewards both participants financially, and rewards the host city by attracting visitors to the city for several days either side of the game.
As the profile of the games go up, so too do the financial rewards accruing to the schools and indeed to the cities as more and more fans descend to have a good time. There is also a recruiting benefit as bowl games get national TV coverage, and may help young High School athletes decide to go to a particular college if they are often competing in such games.
So, with 41 bowl games, and 80 slots to fill, who decides what teams play where? This is the essence of the bowl system, and if you understand this, you'll understand all of college football. Again, let's worry about the non-Playoff bowls first.
The first thing about bowls that you need to understand is that they are tied to conferences in many cases. For example, the Cactus Bowl, played in Phoenix, Arizona, has a contractual arrangement that allows, and obligates, it to invite the 6th place team in the Big 12, and the 7th placed PAC 12 team. The Outback Bowl, in Florida, has its choice of SEC teams left over after other big bowl contracts are fulfilled, and a team in the Big 10.  There are contingencies in place in case some of those contracted positions are ineligible because of not having a winning record, but that very seldom happens.
This contractual arrangement means that in the vast majority of the cases, the teams know themselves which bowl they are going to at the end of the season, although there are instances where the bowl can choose to pick either the 3rd, 4th or 5th team in the SEC, for example, based on how they think it will affect the marketability of the game.
And so to the Playoff bowls, or as they have become known, the 'New Years Six'.  What are they, and why are they different? Basically, the main differences between the Playoff bowls and the rest of the bowls are a)prestige but b) and more importantly in this era, 2 of those 6 games serve as the semi finals for the National Championship. As the name implies, there are 6 playoff bowls, and on a rotating basis 2 are annointed semi finals each year. In 2015/16 the semi finals will be the Cotton Bowl, in Arlington Texas, and the Orange Bowl in Miami, Florida.  The teams designated as 1 through 4 compete in these semi finals, and the Cotton Bowl and Orange Bowl Champion will meet in the National Championship Final in Phoeniz Arizona on January 11th 2016.

The following tie-ins exist for bowls in the years they are not hosting the national semi finals, and assuming their tie in teams are not in the semi finals:

Rose Bowl — The oldest bowl of them all, in Pasadena, California. Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar Bowl — In New Orleans, Louisiana. SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Orange Bowl — In Miami, Florida.  ACC #1 vs. SEC #2, Big Ten #2, or Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl — In Arlington, Texas.  At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Fiesta Bowl — In Phoenix, Arizona. At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Peach Bowl — In Atlanta, Georgia. At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)

The Group of Five selection is simply that the highest ranked team from the 'Group of Five' conferences is guaranteed a spot in one of the big 6 bowl games, assuming they are not in the semi final itself. They are placed in a bowl at the committee's discretion. The other At Large teams are basically any team that is ranked highly enough, that the committee feel deserve a spot in the major bowls.
December and January sees the bowl season take place, with the games spread throughout the Christmas and New Year season. It's a feast of television for those with the appetite for it, and while a lot of the bowls are of academic (no pun intended) interest to the non-combatants, the games towards the end are often thrilling fixtures, very closely matched, and show all that is best about the college game. Look out for the period just after New Year as the playoff bowls and the National Championship Game get settled then.
So that's the general gist of it, and if you have a couple of hours on a Saturday evening/night, you should take a look to see what you think, especially if you have any grá for the NFL. The games are on at convenient times because of the spread across the USA, and tend to start about 5pm our time on a Saturday.

Crikey, thanks AZ but I'm kinda sorry I asked now  ;) ;D

Don't think I fully get it after reading it but it's interesting even if it seems to not necessarily produce the most worthy champion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 25, 2015, 06:58:07 PM
Anyone else think this selection committee is a pile of you know what!!!


Didn't think ND should have been there in 1st place put to essentially drop them 3 places (given the Buckeyes lost) after decent win against bc is shambolic! Also how Michigan state not in is beyond me!

Think the US media has let the selection committee off lightly so far - maybe a honeymoon period but had this sort of thing happened under bcs there would have been an outrage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 25, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 25, 2015, 06:58:07 PM
Anyone else think this selection committee is a pile of you know what!!!


Didn't think ND should have been there in 1st place put to essentially drop them 3 places (given the Buckeyes lost) after decent win against bc is shambolic! Also how Michigan state not in is beyond me!

Think the US media has let the selection committee off lightly so far - maybe a honeymoon period but had this sort of thing happened under bcs there would have been an outrage

ND will be in top 4 if they beat Stanford, even if they got dropped to 6 last week. Some interesting games coming up for all the teams in the hunt for top 4. Auburn/Alabama game is an interesting one as is OK/OK state. Stanford/ND a huge game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 25, 2015, 07:48:05 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 25, 2015, 06:58:07 PM
Anyone else think this selection committee is a pile of you know what!!!


Didn't think ND should have been there in 1st place put to essentially drop them 3 places (given the Buckeyes lost) after decent win against bc is shambolic! Also how Michigan state not in is beyond me!

Think the US media has let the selection committee off lightly so far - maybe a honeymoon period but had this sort of thing happened under bcs there would have been an outrage
ND will be in top 4 if they beat Stanford, even if they got dropped to 6 last week. Some interesting games coming up for all the teams in the hunt for top 4. Auburn/Alabama game is an interesting one as is OK/OK state. Stanford/ND a huge game.
A few people saying that, but on what basis MS? You have to assume Alabama and Clemson, so how would ND pass out Iowa or Michigan State, or Oklahoma assuming Oklahoma beat OK state? If they are behind them now, how could they possibly be ahead of them? Oklahoma would have to beat another highly ranked team, on the road, and Iowa or Michigan state will have beaten the other one. I think ND are cooped.

Disclaimer, my 'cooped' summary only applies if Oklahoma beat OK state, Alabama don't shite the nest, and Clemson don't do likewise. If carnage breaks out, then all bets are off and ND might well be back in play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 26, 2015, 01:17:09 AM
Great post AZ but Jesus Zulu, no need to quote something like that!

Kobe is an all time great. The second best shooting guard of all time and a competitor for the title of
#2 overall. However, he's done. Age and injuries have caught up with him but, more pertinently, the game has evolved without him. I saw the highlights of the Lakers-warriors game and think his stat was 1-16. He is making $25m salary this year which is the highest in the league as was his $23.5m last year. Golden State's cap situation is great. They could be a dynasty for years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2015, 09:20:04 AM
Quote from: Zulu on November 25, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Most people in Ireland are vaguely aware of NCAA (college) American Football. Everyone has heard of the marching bands and the cheerleaders; most have seen 'Rudy', 'the Blind Side' or one of the other football movies; many have heard of Notre Dame (the Fighting Irish), and quite a few may even have attended the series of games in Dublin which started in the 90s. Notre Dame, Navy, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Boston College and Army all played games in Croke Park or the old Lansdowne Road, and the fixture has renewed in this century with Notre Dame and Navy again in the new Aviva at Lansdowne Road and Penn State and University of Central Florida in Croke Park.
With BT Sports and ESPN joining forces to add ESPN to the BT Sports package, a lot of sports fans in Ireland have access to a lot of College Football and ,with another memorable occasion sure to take place next year with Boston College and Georgia Tech visiting the Aviva Stadium, let's take a look at, and try to explain, some of the nuances of the phenomenon that is College Football.
..... etc....

Crikey, thanks AZ but I'm kinda sorry I asked now  ;) ;D

Don't think I fully get it after reading it but it's interesting even if it seems to not necessarily produce the most worthy champion.

What bit confuses you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 26, 2015, 10:36:33 AM
Good read AZ, thanks.

One bit doesn't add up for me though - if there are 128 competing schools and 80 go to bowl games then at least some years a bowl game must be contested by a team with a losing record?

For anyone interested in the history of American Football (especially the largely forgotten role of Native Americans) this is a good listen http://www.radiolab.org/story/football/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2015, 10:52:19 AM
Here you go...

QuoteOn August 2, 2012, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors approved a significant change to the process to determine bowl eligible teams, going so far as to potentially allow 5-7 teams to go to a bowl, in case there were not enough regular bowl-eligible teams to fill every game. If a bowl has one or more conferences/teams unable to meet their contractual commitments and there are no available bowl-eligible teams, the open spots can be filled – by the particular bowl's sponsoring agencies – as follows:[10]

Teams finishing 6-6 with one win against a team from the lower Football Championship Subdivision (FCS), regardless of whether that FCS school meets NCAA scholarship requirements. Until now, an FCS win counted only if that opponent met the scholarship requirements—specifically, that school had to award at least 90% of the FCS maximum of 63 scholarship equivalents over a two-year period. In the 2012 season, programs in four FCS conferences cannot meet the 90% requirement (56.7 equivalents)—the Ivy League, which prohibits all athletic scholarships; the Patriot League and Pioneer Football League, which do not currently award football scholarships; and the Northeast Conference, which limits football scholarships to 38 equivalents.
6-6 teams with two wins over FCS schools.
Teams that finish 6-7 with loss number seven in their conference championship game (that has been eliminated by the conference championship waiver rule).
6-7 teams that normally play a 13-team schedule, such as Hawaii's home opponents. Although Hawaii normally plays a 13-game schedule, it only played 12 games in the 2012 season.
FCS teams who are in the final year of the two-year FBS transition process, if they have at least a 6-6 record.
Finally, 5-7 teams that have a top-5 Academic Progress Rate (APR) score. This was later adjusted to allow other 5-7 teams to be selected thereafter—in order of their APR. [11]
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 26, 2015, 11:22:12 AM
Thanks.
So before 2012 was it the case bowl games on occasion were uncontested if there were not 2 eligible teams?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on November 26, 2015, 11:23:06 AM
Thanks for that post AZ, I follow NFL relatively closely but to be honest was never bothered enough to look into College football other than coming up to the draft and hadn't a notion about the divisions etc.

One question which you have alluded to here that I'm still a bit confused with:

"The following tie-ins exist for bowls in the years they are not hosting the national semi finals, and assuming their tie in teams are not in the semi finals:

Rose Bowl — The oldest bowl of them all, in Pasadena, California. Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar Bowl — In New Orleans, Louisiana. SEC #1 vs. Big 12 #1
Orange Bowl — In Miami, Florida.  ACC #1 vs. SEC #2, Big Ten #2, or Notre Dame
Cotton Bowl — In Arlington, Texas.  At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Fiesta Bowl — In Phoenix, Arizona. At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)
Peach Bowl — In Atlanta, Georgia. At-large or "Group of Five" (committee selection)"


What happens if for example the top 4 teams in the nation are the  Big Ten #1, Pac-12 #1, SEC #1 and Big 12 #1 and they are contesting the semi finals. Does the #2 teams in the divisions contest these bowl games or is there a case where the semi finalists play in bowl games?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2015, 11:36:58 AM
In the case where the 1 through 4 teams are major conference champions (which it will be quite frequently to be honest), those bowls who are contracted are assigned teams by the College Playoff Committee. They allocate teams to the New Years 6 games, but they try to match up with traditional assignments. Sometimes it's the second place team in the conference, sometimes it's an independent or 'At Large' team like Notre Dame.

This year the semi finals will be the cotton bowl and the Orange Bowl. It's very likely the Big 10 champion will be in one of those games, so the Committee will have to place someone in the Rose Bowl to play against the PAC 12 champions, who are not likely to be in the top 4. It's probable that this team will be the Big 10 runner up, rather than the Big 10 champion, so Iowa most likely. If Michigan State don't make the Top 4, and win the Big 10, they would be in the Rose Bowl. The Sugar Bowl is not in the semi final rotation this year, and would normally have SEC versus Big 12. If, as seems likely, Oklahoma and Alabama are in the semi finals, this game will probably be between someone like Baylor and Florida, i.e. the runners up of the Big 12 and SEC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 27, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Have a bit of that medicine fudge fans! Favre and Cutler outshine poor ould Aaron!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on November 27, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Have a bit of that medicine fudge fans! Favre and Cutler outshine poor ould Aaron!

Wrecked tired all day but it was worth it ;D ;D ;D!!!!! Da Bearz taking it home on the night the retired Farve's number in Lambeau , it doesn't get much sweeter than that!!! Nearly had a heart attack for the last 2 and a half mins of the game though!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 27, 2015, 06:54:30 PM
Should have been more straightforward. Officials played a big part in their first TD with a ridiculous call nullifying an interception and then missing Lacy throwing the ball away before he crossed the line.

The Bears this season are an example of what good coaching can achieve. I hope they can keep going and stay in contention for a wild card berth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 27, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Iowa in at #4, a half point favorite against Nebraska today! Nebraska have a losing record....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 27, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 27, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Have a bit of that medicine fudge fans! Favre and Cutler outshine poor ould Aaron!

Wrecked tired all day but it was worth it ;D ;D ;D!!!!! Da Bearz taking it home on the night the retired Farve's number in Lambeau , it doesn't get much sweeter than that!!! Nearly had a heart attack for the last 2 and a half mins of the game though!!!

Really, that result is fleeting, Farve's destruction of your beloved Bears is immortal, as is his standing in the game and in the Hall Of Fame.

Every squirrel finds an acorn and I would like to congratulate Cutler on his second win in twelve tries against a beat to crap Aaron Rodgers!


The Packers have slow WR's who cannot get open, Rodgers needs to start slinging screens and slants and add in the odd trick play because this crew cannot hold onto the ball at speed, they are killing him and the team as a whole.

I expect them to bounce back and win the Division, Nelson is a huge loss but I think they will be alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 28, 2015, 12:14:26 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 27, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Iowa in at #4, a half point favorite against Nebraska today! Nebraska have a losing record....

Won by 8, and a comfortable 8, on the road. They just keep winning. If they win next weekend they are in, if they lose they are out. A quarter final really, especially if it is sparty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 28, 2015, 12:25:27 AM
I, of course, am hoping for a double miracle: Ohio State over Ichigan and the Nitany Lions over the Spartans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 28, 2015, 01:19:15 AM
Iron Bowl time again. Despite a blip the Tide have remained the most consistent force in college football. Saban has so many advantages in his favour but the job he's done has made him perhaps the greatest college coach of all-time, all coming from the best conference in football where any deficiency is regularly and brutally exposed.

Auburn have been erratic to say the least, from hammerings to LSU to going to College Station while A&M were nationally ranked and running away with it. Jeremy Johnson was a bust at QB to start the season and it led to a rough start and barely got any better when they threw White, a freshman, into the starting slot but Johnson has shown more now he's got a second chance at starting. Apart from the LSU game Auburn have managed to remain competitive in all the other big games this year so hopefully a blow-out isn't on the cards.

The Iron Bowl is at Jordan-Hare this year and Auburn probably needed that because whatever hope they have they would have none in Tuscaloosa. Hopeful for a game that's as magnetic as the last two but it's hard to look past a comfortable Bama win. Anything else would make the 2013 Iron Bowl seem like a small upset.

Really have to go to this game some year, the atmosphere must be incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 28, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: stew on November 27, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 27, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Have a bit of that medicine fudge fans! Favre and Cutler outshine poor ould Aaron!

Wrecked tired all day but it was worth it ;D ;D ;D!!!!! Da Bearz taking it home on the night the retired Farve's number in Lambeau , it doesn't get much sweeter than that!!! Nearly had a heart attack for the last 2 and a half mins of the game though!!!

Really, that result is fleeting, Farve's destruction of your beloved Bears is immortal, as is his standing in the game and in the Hall Of Fame.

Every squirrel finds an acorn and I would like to congratulate Cutler on his second win in twelve tries against a beat to crap Aaron Rodgers!


The Packers have slow WR's who cannot get open, Rodgers needs to start slinging screens and slants and add in the odd trick play because this crew cannot hold onto the ball at speed, they are killing him and the team as a whole.

I expect them to bounce back and win the Division, Nelson is a huge loss but I think they will be alright.

Excuses as usual for St Aaron. What's this "beat to crap" stuff? Faking injury again if you ask me. Trying to get extra protection from the officials, he's shrewd! Every team has injuries. Bears have had a slew of injuries to receivers in case you hadn't noticed but they've got on with it.

Favre was of course a great, great player but you think he's a sc**bag. Twice the man Rodgers ever will be, tough as nails.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 28, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
42-13Ohio State stuffs Michigan in the Big House in front of 112,000. At last, the Buckeyes play like defending national champions. Now, let's pull an upset, Penn State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: redzone on November 28, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
Who should we be looking out for in the iron bowl. Who is Gona be the big star player in the nfl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 28, 2015, 09:24:36 PM
Don't know the Auburn team very well, but I'd say Alabama has a good few players who'll be picked early, including RB Derrick Henry, LB Reggie Ragland, DE Jonathan Allen and DT A'Shawn Robinson. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kidder81 on November 28, 2015, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 28, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
Quote from: stew on November 27, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 27, 2015, 05:31:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 27, 2015, 09:19:34 AM
Have a bit of that medicine fudge fans! Favre and Cutler outshine poor ould Aaron!

Wrecked tired all day but it was worth it ;D ;D ;D!!!!! Da Bearz taking it home on the night the retired Farve's number in Lambeau , it doesn't get much sweeter than that!!! Nearly had a heart attack for the last 2 and a half mins of the game though!!!

Really, that result is fleeting, Farve's destruction of your beloved Bears is immortal, as is his standing in the game and in the Hall Of Fame.

Every squirrel finds an acorn and I would like to congratulate Cutler on his second win in twelve tries against a beat to crap Aaron Rodgers!


The Packers have slow WR's who cannot get open, Rodgers needs to start slinging screens and slants and add in the odd trick play because this crew cannot hold onto the ball at speed, they are killing him and the team as a whole.

I expect them to bounce back and win the Division, Nelson is a huge loss but I think they will be alright.

Excuses as usual for St Aaron. What's this "beat to crap" stuff? Faking injury again if you ask me. Trying to get extra protection from the officials, he's shrewd! Every team has injuries. Bears have had a slew of injuries to receivers in case you hadn't noticed but they've got on with it.

Favre was of course a great, great player but you think he's a sc**bag. Twice the man Rodgers ever will be, tough as nails.

Don't think their careers will be comparable by the time Rodgers is done. Favre threw far too many interceptions trying to be the hero.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 29, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
Yeah. He should have thrown the ball away and blamed his receivers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 29, 2015, 01:43:44 PM
Seanie, obviously you're a Bears fan but your vitriol towards Rogers borders on the levels of vitriol stew has for pretty much everything. Claiming Favre was a great man? He was a great, albeit flawed, quarterback and football player, but as a man he was less than admirable.

Plenty of links have been posted here supporting the claim of Rogers to be a great quarterback and on the road to an all time historical position. Other than the fact you don't like the packers, what exactly is your issue with him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 29, 2015, 02:14:11 PM
I don't think that's fair. Several times I have stated that Rodgers is a great quarterback - it's just I think he gets an easy ride from the media and fans. I see things about him that I don't like but most ignore them. I think he is a little lacking in the gut department also to be honest. Regarding injuries - I'm from a school where you never let anyone know you were hurt. If you couldn't play, you didn't but you didn't make a show of yourself hobbling round, looking for attention. Part of me says - "fair play to him, it works" because he (and his receivers) gets extra protection from officials and it's all about winning. I also believe his (and McCarthy's) arrogance has been the downfall of the Packers in recent years but no one points this out. The year the won the SB iirc they played away all through the playoffs. Their style of play is not suited to cold/wet weather but they seem to think - we're so good we can do it anyway.

My reference about Favre is only football related. I know little (and care less) about his off field activities. I'd prefer to have him on my side in a battle, that's for sure.

Agai - well aware I'm in a minority on this but can't see I'm wrong tbh.

(Reaches for helmet.....)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 29, 2015, 03:25:20 PM
Notre Dame blew it last night. Close but no cigar.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 30, 2015, 05:24:14 AM
Could be all over for the Pats, that injury to Gronk doesn't look good. f**k me, but they've been decimated by injuries...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 30, 2015, 06:32:57 AM
Kobe retiring at the end of the season. About time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 30, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
Remember all the talk about Cam v Knaep after that playoff game a while back? Knaep supporters looking a little silly now.

Cam killing it with very little to support him on offense. Really good defence but Cam is their MVP by a mile. Best mobile QB of the current generation by some distance for me - partly thanks to the fact he's built like a tank. Starting to show real composure in the pocket too which should frighten opponents.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
That's what I've been most impressed with. He's standing tall and throwing lasers this year, and when you factor in his running threat, that's a tough combination to defend against. That said, If Carolina come up against a team with a really good back 7, and spy him with a middle linebacker, that's where they might come undone. They don't have massive weapons, so a good defensive backfield might take away the throw, and then it becomes about containing the run.

He is probably MVP this year though, in fairness to him. Him or Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 30, 2015, 09:23:50 AM
Surely the most valuable player in the NFL is clearly Jordy Nelson!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 09:29:17 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 30, 2015, 09:23:50 AM
Surely the most valuable player in the NFL is clearly Jordy Nelson!

Ha ha. Yeah, I could play QB for the Packers with Nelson there :)


Lucky, poxy, win for the Cardinals last night. They were abject. Looked completely flat, and the Niners gave them their fill of it. There are 4 or 5 good receivers on the Cardinals team, but they could not get open yesterday. Palmer was holding and holding looking, but there was nobody getting open apart from Fitz. Great performance by the Niners defence. In fact I thought they got robbed by the refs. Arizona has to be an awful lot better than this, or it will be a very short post season assuming they get there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 30, 2015, 09:32:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 30, 2015, 08:18:36 AM
Remember all the talk about Cam v Knaep after that playoff game a while back? Knaep supporters looking a little silly now.

Cam killing it with very little to support him on offense. Really good defence but Cam is their MVP by a mile. Best mobile QB of the current generation by some distance for me - partly thanks to the fact he's built like a tank. Starting to show real composure in the pocket too which should frighten opponents.

What do you want? At the time Kap was clearly playing the better stuff. Much to his credit, Newton has really stepped up this year, especially after losing Benjamin in preseason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 30, 2015, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
That's what I've been most impressed with. He's standing tall and throwing lasers this year, and when you factor in his running threat, that's a tough combination to defend against. That said, If Carolina come up against a team with a really good back 7, and spy him with a middle linebacker, that's where they might come undone. They don't have massive weapons, so a good defensive backfield might take away the throw, and then it becomes about containing the run.

He is probably MVP this year though, in fairness to him. Him or Brady.

The Cardinals, perchance?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 30, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
The refereeing in the Niners cards games last night was comically bad. The Niners got hosed on the Cards winning drive.

I know there is more scrutiny than ever on refereeing but it does feel that it has been especially bad this year.

This is for Syferus:

(https://twitter.com/49ers/status/422459104552972289/photo/1)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 12:59:01 PM
Quote from: Clov on November 30, 2015, 12:38:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
That's what I've been most impressed with. He's standing tall and throwing lasers this year, and when you factor in his running threat, that's a tough combination to defend against. That said, If Carolina come up against a team with a really good back 7, and spy him with a middle linebacker, that's where they might come undone. They don't have massive weapons, so a good defensive backfield might take away the throw, and then it becomes about containing the run.

He is probably MVP this year though, in fairness to him. Him or Brady.

The Cardinals, perchance?

Maybe, but the Cardinals give up chunk plays as well. They are good, but they don't operate at that level all the time. It probably is a bad matchup for Carolina alright though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: Clov on November 30, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
The refereeing in the Niners cards games last night was comically bad. The Niners got hosed on the Cards winning drive.

I know there is more scrutiny than ever on refereeing but it does feel that it has been especially bad this year.

This is for Syferus:

(https://twitter.com/49ers/status/422459104552972289/photo/1)

It was shocking. The time when they didn't know whether it was second, third or fourth down was cat. Some of the calls against San Francisco were brutal. Now I know the niners were probably hanging on for dear life at times, in the secondary, but I don't think half the calls were merited. The one you're probably talking about, the personal foul one, was also very harsh but I suppose he did hit Palmer in the facemask with his helmet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 30, 2015, 01:09:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 01:01:06 PM
Quote from: Clov on November 30, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
The refereeing in the Niners cards games last night was comically bad. The Niners got hosed on the Cards winning drive.

I know there is more scrutiny than ever on refereeing but it does feel that it has been especially bad this year.

This is for Syferus:

(https://twitter.com/49ers/status/422459104552972289/photo/1)

It was shocking. The time when they didn't know whether it was second, third or fourth down was cat. Some of the calls against San Francisco were brutal. Now I know the niners were probably hanging on for dear life at times, in the secondary, but I don't think half the calls were merited. The one you're probably talking about, the personal foul one, was also very harsh but I suppose he did hit Palmer in the facemask with his helmet.

I thought the roughing the passer on Dial was the wrong call - but then i was looking at it from the defenders point of view. What else are you supposed to do on that play? Head up, hit him square in the chest. Often the QB's subtly dip into the tackle on those sorts of play, bringing their head into contact. Anyway, it was a huge call in the context of the game as it went from 3rd and long to first down with good field position.

I'd say that was the Card's worst offensive performance of the season but i think they'll bounce back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
It looked very similar to the game they lost in Pittsburgh. Dominating possession (although the niners had more yards) and having good field position but not scoring Touchdowns. Lack of urgency and a passive run blocking performance by the O-Line. Now I think that might be the Niners best defensive game of the year. They were active and swarming and hitting hard, but Arizona has to be more clinical than that, and receivers have to get open. No matter how good you think you are, if you're covered you're not getting the ball. Unless you are Larry Fitz.

Worried about the running back injuries now too. Hopefully at least one of the two are ok.

On the hit, I see where you are coming from, and I don't think he meant it at all, but his helmet definitely hit Palmers face guard. His chin strap ended up stuck to his nose :)

I thought the John Brown call where they made the Niners take a penalty was cat. That was out of bounds, and they flagged him for illegal touching, but he wasn't back in before he caught it properly, it should have just been incomplete. And then there was an offensive pass interference call which was completely rubbish as well. The niners were certainly very hard done by.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 30, 2015, 07:45:36 PM
The officiating in the Pats Broncos came was also awful. 3 very poor calls all against the pats in the last 3 minutes and one in OT...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on December 01, 2015, 09:14:22 AM
Cleveland will be absolutely sick at how they lost that game last night :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 09:18:53 AM
If the Browns can find a way to lose, they usually do. The fact that Manziel was relegated to third string after going out on the tear (apparently) didn't help matters when McCown went down.

Penultimate College Football Rankings out tonight. I presume it will be 1 - Clemson, 2 - Alabama, 3 - Oklahoma 4 - Iowa/Michigan State 5 Michigan State/Iowa

And unless Clemson lose to UNC or Alabama lose to Florida, then the final four will be made of up the top three and the winner between Iowa and Sparty.

What odds on the Tar Heels or Gators to cause chaos?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:04:00 AM
It was almost painful to watch. They must be utterly fed up of the pity everyone feels for them.

Don't think there was an "apparently" about it AZ. Was he not snapped/filmed dancing with bottles of champagne back in College Station. Such a moron, as in his previous game he'd started to show some real glimpses of the talent that got him drafted so high.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 10:07:25 AM
Apparently on the tear I meant. He was certainly out and about :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
I can't help but love him a little bit. Massively entertaining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
I can't help but love him a little bit. Massively entertaining.

I would if he was poor boy made good and just couldn't handle the fame, but he is rich already. Remember all the money gestures he used to do at A&M and the fast cars his Daddy bought for him? A spoiled brat is what I'd be thinking to be honest, and the only reason I'm sorry he's not playing is because I'd love to see Geno Atkins eat his lunch for him next week :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 10:41:09 AM
ESPNs current bowl predictions. I love bowl season :)  By the way, whoever asked me above, this year is one of those years there might be up to 5 teams with a 5-7 record in the bowls.

College Football Playoff semifinals

College Football Playoff at the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic
AT&T Stadium, Arlington, Texas Thursday, Dec. 31, 4 or 8 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Alabama vs. Michigan State
McMurphy: Alabama vs. Michigan State

College Football Playoff at the Capital One Orange Bowl
Sun Life Stadium, Miami Gardens, Florida Thursday, Dec. 31, 4 or 8 p.m. (ESPN)

Schlabach: Oklahoma vs. Clemson
McMurphy: Clemson vs. Oklahoma

College Football Playoff National Championship

University of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, Arizona Monday, Jan. 11, 8:30 p.m. (ESPN)

Schlabach: Alabama vs. Oklahoma
McMurphy: Oklahoma vs. Alabama


Bowl schedule

Gildan New Mexico Bowl
University Stadium, Albuquerque, New Mexico Saturday, Dec. 19, 2 p.m. (ABC)
Schlabach: California vs. New Mexico
McMurphy: Central Michigan vs. New Mexico

Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl
Sam Boyd Stadium, Las Vegas Saturday, Dec. 19, 3:30 p.m. (ABC)
Schlabach: San Diego State vs. Washington State
McMurphy: Washington State vs. San Diego State

Raycom Media Camellia Bowl
Cramton Bowl, Montgomery, Alabama Saturday, Dec. 19, 5:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Akron vs. South Alabama
McMurphy: Western Michigan vs. Georgia Southern

AutoNation Cure Bowl
Orlando Citrus Bowl, Orlando, Florida Saturday, Dec. 19, 7 p.m. (CBSSN)
Schlabach: UConn vs. Georgia Southern
McMurphy: Tulsa vs. San Jose State

R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl
Mercedes-Benz Superdome, New Orleans Saturday, Dec. 19, 9 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Appalachian State vs. Southern Miss
McMurphy: Louisiana Tech vs. Arkansas State

Miami Beach Bowl
Marlins Park, Miami Monday, Dec. 21, 2:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Temple vs. Western Kentucky
McMurphy: Western Kentucky vs. USF

Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
Albertsons Stadium, Boise, Idaho Tuesday, Dec. 22, 3:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Ohio vs. Nevada
McMurphy: Akron vs. Boise State

Boca Raton Bowl
FAU Stadium, Boca Raton, Florida Tuesday, Dec. 22, 7 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Memphis vs. Toledo
McMurphy: UConn vs. Toledo

San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl
Qualcomm Stadium, San Diego Wednesday, Dec. 23, 4:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Boise State vs. Northern Illinois
McMurphy: Air Force vs. Northern Illinois

GoDaddy Bowl
Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama Wednesday, Dec. 23, 8 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Bowling Green vs. Arkansas State
McMurphy: Bowling Green vs. Appalachian State

Popeyes Bahamas Bowl
Thomas A. Robinson National Stadium, Nassau, Bahamas Thursday, Dec. 24, noon (ESPN)
Schlabach: Middle Tennessee vs. Western Michigan
McMurphy: Middle Tennessee vs. Ohio

Hawai'i Bowl
Aloha Stadium, Honolulu Thursday, Dec. 24, 8 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: BYU vs. Tulsa
McMurphy: BYU vs. Temple

St. Petersburg Bowl
Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida Saturday, Dec. 26, 11 a.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: USF vs. Marshall
McMurphy: Marshall vs. Cincinnati

Hyundai Sun Bowl
Sun Bowl, El Paso, Texas Saturday, Dec. 26, 2 p.m. (CBS)
Schlabach: Louisville vs. UCLA
McMurphy: Miami vs. Utah

Zaxby's Heart of Dallas Bowl
Cotton Bowl, Dallas Saturday, Dec. 26, 2:20 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Louisiana Tech vs. Missouri
McMurphy: Southern Miss vs. Nevada

New Era Pinstripe Bowl
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, New York Saturday, Dec. 26, 3:30 p.m. (ABC)
Schlabach: Pittsburgh vs. Indiana
McMurphy: Pittsburgh vs. Indiana

Camping World Independence Bowl
Independence Stadium, Shreveport, Louisiana Saturday, Dec. 26, 5:45 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: NC State vs. Kentucky
McMurphy: Duke vs. Illinois

Foster Farms Bowl
Levi's Stadium, Santa Clara, California Saturday, Dec. 26, 9:15 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: USC vs. Utah State
McMurphy: Penn State vs. UCLA

Military Bowl Presented by Northrop Grumman
Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium, Annapolis, Maryland Monday, Dec. 28, 2:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Duke vs. Navy
McMurphy: NC State vs. Navy

Quick Lane Bowl
Ford Field, Detroit Monday, Dec. 28, 5 p.m. (ESPN2)
Schlabach: Central Michigan vs. Minnesota
McMurphy: Cal vs. Minnesota

NOVA Home Loans Arizona Bowl
Arizona Stadium in Tucson, Arizona Tuesday, Dec. 29 at 7:30 p.m.
Schlabach: Colorado State vs. Arizona
McMurphy: Colorado State vs. Arizona

Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl
Amon G. Carter Stadium, Fort Worth, Texas Tuesday, Dec. 29, 2 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Air Force vs. Washington
McMurphy: Utah State vs. Washington

Russell Athletic Bowl
Orlando Citrus Bowl, Orlando, Florida Tuesday, Dec. 29, 5:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: North Carolina vs. Oklahoma State
McMurphy: North Carolina vs. Oklahoma State

AdvoCare V100 Texas Bowl
NRG Stadium, Houston Tuesday, Dec. 29, 9 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Texas A&M vs. Texas Tech
McMurphy: LSU vs. West Virginia

Birmingham Bowl
Legion Field, Birmingham, Alabama Wednesday, Dec. 30, noon (ESPN)
Schlabach: Cincinnati vs. Auburn
McMurphy: Memphis vs. Auburn

Belk Bowl
Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, North Carolina Wednesday, Dec. 30, 3:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Mississippi State vs. Virginia Tech
McMurphy: Virginia Tech vs. Mississippi State

Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl
Nissan Stadium, Nashville, Tennessee Wednesday, Dec. 30, 7 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Miami vs. Georgia
McMurphy: Arkansas vs. Nebraska

National University Holiday Bowl
Qualcomm Stadium, San Diego Wednesday, Dec. 30, 10:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Utah vs. Wisconsin
McMurphy: Wisconsin vs. Oregon

Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl
Georgia Dome, Atlanta Thursday, Dec. 31, noon (ESPN)
Schlabach: Houston vs. Florida State
McMurphy: Florida State vs. Iowa

Outback Bowl
Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, Florida Friday, Jan. 1, noon (ESPN2)
Schlabach: Tennessee vs. Northwestern
McMurphy: Northwestern vs. Tennessee

Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus Bowl
Orlando Citrus Bowl, Orlando, Florida Friday, Jan. 1, 1 p.m. (ABC)
Schlabach: Florida vs. Michigan
McMurphy: Michigan vs. Florida

Fiesta Bowl
University of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, Arizona Friday, Jan. 1, 1 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Iowa vs. Notre Dame
McMurphy: Notre Dame vs. Houston

Rose Bowl Game Presented By Northwestern Mutual
Rose Bowl, Pasadena, California Friday, Jan. 1, 5 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Ohio State vs. Stanford
McMurphy: Ohio State vs. Stanford

Allstate Sugar Bowl

Mercedes-Benz Superdome, New Orleans Friday, Jan. 1, 8:30 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Ole Miss vs. Baylor
McMurphy: Ole Miss vs. Baylor

TaxSlayer Bowl
EverBank Field, Jacksonville, Florida Saturday, Jan. 2, noon (ESPN)
Schlabach: Penn State vs. LSU
McMurphy: Texas A&M vs. Louisville

AutoZone Liberty Bowl
Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium, Memphis, Tennessee Saturday, Jan. 2, 3:20 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Arkansas vs. Kansas State
McMurphy: Texas Tech vs. Georgia

Valero Alamo Bowl
Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas Saturday, Jan. 2, 6:45 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: TCU vs. Oregon
McMurphy: TCU vs. USC

Cactus Bowl
Chase Field, Phoenix Saturday, Jan. 2, 10:15 p.m. (ESPN)
Schlabach: Arizona State vs. West Virginia
McMurphy: Kansas State vs. Arizona State
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:47:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:19:40 AM
I can't help but love him a little bit. Massively entertaining.

I would if he was poor boy made good and just couldn't handle the fame, but he is rich already. Remember all the money gestures he used to do at A&M and the fast cars his Daddy bought for him? A spoiled brat is what I'd be thinking to be honest, and the only reason I'm sorry he's not playing is because I'd love to see Geno Atkins eat his lunch for him next week :)

He's a bellend of course and it is indeed very enjoyable to watch opposing linebackers mock the money gestures. When I said I can't help but love him a little bit, it's not out of respect or hoping for him to succeed, it's purely the entertainment. One of the sources of entertainment is him playing for a truly awful team and getting hit frequently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 10:51:04 AM
I get ya.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 01, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
I remember the first time I came out to the States with the then girlfriend, I turned down a ticket to the Rosebowl cause I thought I would be too hungover after New Years and didn't want to get sick on the 4 hour journey. Her Uncle was/is an USC allumini and throws an 'awesome' tailgate, think it was 2007...worst decision ever!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 01, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
I remember the first time I came out to the States with the then girlfriend, I turned down a ticket to the Rosebowl cause I thought I would be too hungover after New Years and didn't want to get sick on the 4 hour journey. Her Uncle was/is an USC allumini and throws an 'awesome' tailgate, think it was 2007...worst decision ever!!

Jaysus, yes, worst decision ever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 01, 2015, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 01, 2015, 04:56:29 PM
I remember the first time I came out to the States with the then girlfriend, I turned down a ticket to the Rosebowl cause I thought I would be too hungover after New Years and didn't want to get sick on the 4 hour journey. Her Uncle was/is an USC allumini and throws an 'awesome' tailgate, think it was 2007...worst decision ever!!

Jaysus, yes, worst decision ever.

New Years was a damp squid to boot! Drove up to Shaver Lake to the Trading Post, had about 4 pints, almost got beat up by 2 women because we took there seats, got threatened by the owner because I lifted a menu from the behind the bar (it was signed by Adam Sandler when he filmed Click up there) and then drove home!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 01, 2015, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 01, 2015, 09:18:53 AM
If the Browns can find a way to lose, they usually do. The fact that Manziel was relegated to third string after going out on the tear (apparently) didn't help matters when McCown went down.

Penultimate College Football Rankings out tonight. I presume it will be 1 - Clemson, 2 - Alabama, 3 - Oklahoma 4 - Iowa/Michigan State 5 Michigan State/Iowa

And unless Clemson lose to UNC or Alabama lose to Florida, then the final four will be made of up the top three and the winner between Iowa and Sparty.

What odds on the Tar Heels or Gators to cause chaos?
Actually Austin Davis took them down the field going 7/8 76 yards and a TD...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:03:15 PM
He also made a ridiculous mistake by sliding and forcing them to burn a timeout instead of getting out of bounds. I'm no expert but even I was pretty dumbfounded watching that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2015, 10:29:52 PM
Ah, to be a long-suffering Browns fan.  And that's why I play fantasy football.  At least in defeat, Travis Benjamin's TD earned me 17 points.

As for North Carolina and Florida upsetting Clemson and Alabama respectively, the Tar Heels are 6.5 pt underdogs, and in my view have a viable chance of shocking the Tigers.  Florida, on the other hand, after their dismal performance against the Noles, are 17 pt underdogs to the Tide and haven't got a chance in hell in my view, though of course, as a Buckeye fan, I'd love to see the double upset.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 02, 2015, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2015, 10:03:15 PM
He also made a ridiculous mistake by sliding and forcing them to burn a timeout instead of getting out of bounds. I'm no expert but even I was pretty dumbfounded watching that.

The timeouts are no good when the game is over. There were only 8 secs left and they still had another timeout. There's no possible way they could have used both timeouts if he had gone out of bounds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
They also didn't trust him to try and throw a quick slant to pick up 6 or 7 yards before a timeout and make it more like a 44 yarder. 51 yards was probably 60-40 at best.

I think he did fine, but it didn't help that you had to go to your third string (effectively) QB. It will be interesting to see who is named starter this week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 02, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 10:01:05 AM
They also didn't trust him to try and throw a quick slant to pick up 6 or 7 yards before a timeout and make it more like a 44 yarder. 51 yards was probably 60-40 at best.

I think he did fine, but it didn't help that you had to go to your third string (effectively) QB. It will be interesting to see who is named starter this week.

That's on the coach though. Would they have called the slant with McCown or Manziel back there? I'm guessing not given that in endgame situations you see so many coaches, even with very highly rated QBs, calling runs up the gut the minute they get over the 'magical' line that denotes FG range.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 03:37:02 PM
I think with McCown or Manziel they would have thrown a quick slant for 6 or 7 yards, and an immediate timeout. That would take about 4 seconds off the clock. I think what you are talking about normally happens when they are within 45 or so, not 50+ yards out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Great win last night for the Dillon Panthers, touchdown with 1 second left on the clock !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Great win last night for the Dillon Panthers, touchdown with 1 second left on the clock !

This is where Movies and TV struggle with American Football. A script like that in soccer would be unusual or whatever, last second goal to win the game blah blah. In American Football, scores (field goals or TDs) with no time left are pretty commonplace in tight games, due to the way the coaches use the clock. So whenever I see a dramatic finish like that I go 'meh', still not as spectacular as what Baltimore did to Cleveland last Monday night. How do you compete with that for an amazing finish?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 02, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Well - you only have to go back a few weeks to the Georgia Tech / FSU game  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV0YvPnmZsU

and the Michigan / Michigan State game a week before that  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 02, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Well - you only have to go back a few weeks to the Georgia Tech / FSU game  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV0YvPnmZsU

and the Michigan / Michigan State game a week before that  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U
Exactly. That's what I mean. How can TV come up with anything more exciting than that sort of thing?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JoG2 on December 02, 2015, 04:50:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 02, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Well - you only have to go back a few weeks to the Georgia Tech / FSU game  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV0YvPnmZsU

and the Michigan / Michigan State game a week before that  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBlgN85wB6U
Exactly. That's what I mean. How can TV come up with anything more exciting than that sort of thing?

last minute touchdowns and....

(http://cdn3-www.afterellen.com/assets/uploads/2011/04/palicki-minka.jpg)  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2015, 04:59:08 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on December 03, 2015, 10:31:07 PM
Don't know if anyone listens to any of the NFL podcasts but The Rosenthal and Jeselnik Vanity project is hilarious.

http://www.nfl.com/podcasts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 12:08:57 AM
Really like the Lions plus 3 and the over 46.5 tonight... Get on😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 04, 2015, 01:20:58 AM
What's opinions on Steph Curry this year?

Starting following the Warriors 2 years ago partly due to the wives cousin and partly that they are the closet NBA team. I haven't much knowledge or experience of basketball but this guy blows my mind with some of the stuff he does. Yesterday's 3rd quarter against the Hornets was just WOW!!

Never thought I would get so into NBA but love every minute of their games. Think they may finally come undone against Toronto or Indianna.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 04, 2015, 01:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 12:08:57 AM
Really like the Lions plus 3 and the over 46.5 tonight... Get on😀

Lions going well so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 04, 2015, 05:01:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 04, 2015, 01:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 12:08:57 AM
Really like the Lions plus 3 and the over 46.5 tonight... Get on😀

Lions going well so far.
Crazy finish. Didn't think it was a face mask call but crazy.
Only need to watch the 1st quarter and last 6sec for the story of this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 04, 2015, 06:49:26 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 04, 2015, 01:20:58 AM
What's opinions on Steph Curry this year?

Starting following the Warriors 2 years ago partly due to the wives cousin and partly that they are the closet NBA team. I haven't much knowledge or experience of basketball but this guy blows my mind with some of the stuff he does. Yesterday's 3rd quarter against the Hornets was just WOW!!

Never thought I would get so into NBA but love every minute of their games. Think they may finally come undone against Toronto or Indianna.

He, and they, are obscene. Realistically, bar catastrophic injury, everyone else is playing for second.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 07:08:45 AM
🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 04, 2015, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 04, 2015, 05:01:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 04, 2015, 01:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 12:08:57 AM
Really like the Lions plus 3 and the over 46.5 tonight... Get on😀

Lions going well so far.
Crazy finish. Didn't think it was a face mask call but crazy.
Only need to watch the 1st quarter and last 6sec for the story of this game.

This is what I hate about American football. By the rule, it was a penalty, but it was, at worst, the most glancing, faintest of touches. No intent, no harm done whatsoever and it's cost Detroit the game.

Seanie will be absolutely fuming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on December 04, 2015, 08:14:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2015, 07:52:03 AM

This is what I hate about American football. By the rule, it was a penalty, but it was, at worst, the most glancing, faintest of touches. No intent, no harm some whatsoever and it's cost Detroit the game.

Seanie will be absolutely fuming.
I've got back into watching NFL over the past 3 or 4 years as the young lad took an interest.

Two things that have caught my eye that I hadn't appreciated when I first watched NFL 20 years ago. Firstly is the hits are so much harder than in rugby. And in rugby the hits are hard! But the general rule looks like - if a hit/tackle is illegal in rugby, then its the proper way to do it in NFL!

Secondly is that the penalties for technical fouls are huge. Often game changing, over the (seemingly) tiniest little thing. Although most of them needless too, so the players penalised have usually only themselves to blame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 04, 2015, 12:05:20 PM
I'm not sure that the facemask was the right call by the rulebook. It was definitely one of those borderline calls.

I think one of the problems with officiating is that they seem to frame their decisions from the perspective of the offensive players (especially when the QB is involved). This call reminded me of a roughing the passer call from the Cards Niners game the other night - as AZOffaly pointed out, Palmer's chinstrap was grazed and yes, Rodger's facemask was momentarily caught by the defender's finger. But in both cases, seen from the point of view of the defender these were incidental and the facemask rule allows for momentary contact any way.

Here's an existential question, who wins between the Browns and Lions in a 1 point game on the final play? It feels like a logical conundrum.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 04, 2015, 01:30:09 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2015, 07:52:03 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 04, 2015, 05:01:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 04, 2015, 01:59:54 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 12:08:57 AM
Really like the Lions plus 3 and the over 46.5 tonight... Get on😀

Lions going well so far.
Crazy finish. Didn't think it was a face mask call but crazy.
Only need to watch the 1st quarter and last 6sec for the story of this game.

This is what I hate about American football. By the rule, it was a penalty, but it was, at worst, the most glancing, faintest of touches. No intent, no harm done whatsoever and it's cost Detroit the game.

Seanie will be absolutely fuming.

I was fuming. Rodgers is brilliant at getting penalties, see the way he ducked his head to make it look like it was a facemask. He had been plaguing the officials on the previous play for a non-existent PI call too.

All that said though (1) how did the Lions defense let Rodgers run untouched 17 yards for a TD (guys not facing the ball is ok but the odd glimpse over the shoulder is no harm!!!) and what were they doing on the final play? Richard Rodgers had an easy catch in truth, no-one touched him!!!! Most teams would have their biggest guys on the pitch for a play like that but it looked like RR in a crowd of children! Detroit played well but you can't be making mistakes like that in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Sam Burgess is off training with the Giants. He's some craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: our_fella on December 04, 2015, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Sam Burgess is off training with the Giants. He's some craic.

Youll find it's Tom Burgess. His brother.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 04, 2015, 05:51:10 PM
Inexplicable that CJ and Ebron weren't in the EZ when that Hail Mary arrived... Unbelievable actually.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2015, 06:43:13 PM
Quote from: our_fella on December 04, 2015, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Sam Burgess is off training with the Giants. He's some craic.

Youll find it's Tom Burgess. His brother.

Apologies. Just saw it on the sky sports info bar and the rabbitohs or whatever you call them were mentioned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 05, 2015, 10:12:46 PM
Well, shiver me timbers, but Florida just took a 7-2 lead over Bama.  Wonder how long that'll last, given how miserably they played against the Noles.  Their D is making it difficult for the Tide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 05, 2015, 10:22:31 PM
Of the top 6/8 teams, Bama's QB is probably their weakest point. Florida very nervous to start, that punt return seems to have settled them down. I honestly don't think Alabama are a top 4 team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 05, 2015, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 05, 2015, 10:22:31 PM
Of the top 6/8 teams, Bama's QB is probably their weakest point. Florida very nervous to start, that punt return seems to have settled them down. I honestly don't think Alabama are a top 4 team.

Something like 7/27 on attempts over 20 yards is Cocker on the season - 2 TDs to 4 INTs. Basically if Bama have to rely on him to wing it down the field the jig is up. Bama are very deserving of being a top four team. And they will be 1 or 2 if they beat Florida.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 05, 2015, 11:32:08 PM
15-7 Bama.  Can't see Florida offense scoring against this D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 05, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Why are they very deserving? Strength of schedule fairly poor, bad loss at home to Ole Miss. The SEC has had a poor year to be fair.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 05, 2015, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 05, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Why are they very deserving? Strength of schedule fairly poor, bad loss at home to Ole Miss. The SEC has had a poor year to be fair.

The SEC is brutal to win. So many places it can go wrong. In a sport where there's so many mickey mouse divisions with maybe two good teams in it at most every SEC champion has to do it the hard way. Big teams with big budgets and a lot of four and five star recruits. Five nationally ranked SEC teams going into championship weekend, and that's actually a low number for the SEC. Derrick Henry a lock for the Heisman too. Only two undefeated teams at most so there's a minimum of two spots in the play-offs for a one loss team - it would be mad to say Alabama aren't deserving of a spot in that context.

EDIT: TD Bama. Goodnight Gators.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on December 06, 2015, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 04, 2015, 01:20:58 AM
What's opinions on Steph Curry this year?

Starting following the Warriors 2 years ago partly due to the wives cousin and partly that they are the closet NBA team. I haven't much knowledge or experience of basketball but this guy blows my mind with some of the stuff he does. Yesterday's 3rd quarter against the Hornets was just WOW!!

Never thought I would get so into NBA but love every minute of their games. Think they may finally come undone against Toronto or Indianna.

Raptors had a great chance to beat them last night but the warriors dug it out and are now 21-0. Lowry missed a crucial FT in the last minute that meant they needed a 3 to tie and the warriors were able to keep fouling and deny them the opportunity. Great game - curry shot some amazing 3s in the 4th. The streak goes on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 05, 2015, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 05, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Why are they very deserving? Strength of schedule fairly poor, bad loss at home to Ole Miss. The SEC has had a poor year to be fair.

The SEC is brutal to win. So many places it can go wrong. In a sport where there's so many mickey mouse divisions with maybe two good teams in it at most every SEC champion has to do it the hard way. Big teams with big budgets and a lot of four and five star recruits. Five nationally ranked SEC teams going into championship weekend, and that's actually a low number for the SEC. Derrick Henry a lock for the Heisman too. Only two undefeated teams at most so there's a minimum of two spots in the play-offs for a one loss team - it would be mad to say Alabama aren't deserving of a spot in that context.

EDIT: TD Bama. Goodnight Gators.

It's hard to tell with the SEC because they rarely schedule out of conference so it's hard to know actually how good they are until the end of the year. The SEC east was very poor this year, and even the west didn't seem to be great, compared to other years. They haven't had a national champion in the last 2 years so it's going to be interesting to see if Bama can do it this year.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 11:31:18 AM
As for at most 2 good teams in other conferences, that's a very SEC thing to say and isn't borne out by results.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 06, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 05, 2015, 11:49:39 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 05, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
Why are they very deserving? Strength of schedule fairly poor, bad loss at home to Ole Miss. The SEC has had a poor year to be fair.

The SEC is brutal to win. So many places it can go wrong. In a sport where there's so many mickey mouse divisions with maybe two good teams in it at most every SEC champion has to do it the hard way. Big teams with big budgets and a lot of four and five star recruits. Five nationally ranked SEC teams going into championship weekend, and that's actually a low number for the SEC. Derrick Henry a lock for the Heisman too. Only two undefeated teams at most so there's a minimum of two spots in the play-offs for a one loss team - it would be mad to say Alabama aren't deserving of a spot in that context.

EDIT: TD Bama. Goodnight Gators.

It's hard to tell with the SEC because they rarely schedule out of conference so it's hard to know actually how good they are until the end of the year. The SEC east was very poor this year, and even the west didn't seem to be great, compared to other years. They haven't had a national champion in the last 2 years so it's going to be interesting to see if Bama can do it this year.

Checked up on cad's SoS comment - Alabama had the second strongest schedule in the nation and only lost a single game, to a team that itself is 13th in the nation as of this morning having played the fourth strongest schedule in the nation this year.

So no - the SEC wasn't poor by any measure besides itself - even Auburn, the west's bottom team, only suffered a single loss by anything approaching a large margin. When that is what you call a weak SEC it says it all about where the SEC is and where most other conferences are, whatever about their anti-SEC posturing.

And I said two good teams in a division, not two good ones in a conference, and that is something that is borne out by results.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 12:24:30 PM
Sorry you did say division. There wasn't even 2 good teams in the SEC east this year though 😃 SEC west was a bit down this year but it is still the deepest division alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 06, 2015, 12:48:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 12:24:30 PM
Sorry you did say division. There wasn't even 2 good teams in the SEC east this year though 😃 SEC west was a bit down this year but it is still the deepest division alright.

Georgia 9-3 on the season, Vols 8-4. Hardly bad teams. The west is obviously more competitive and has been for a long time but overall the SEC is still the most stacked conference in football, particularly now with the reemergence for the two Missi schools.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 03:30:45 PM
They played a lot of each other. Georgia and Tennessee are not great teams this year. And are the Miss schools really reemerging, or is it further evidence of a levelling off in the SEC, particularly the west. We'll see in the coming years I suppose.

The SEC is where it's at, but the gap is not as great as SEC heads seem to think it is, and because they play very little outside their conference it's hard to get a guage. We say they all beat each other up, but when you turn around and play Charleston or Georgia Southern, it's hard to see what the relative quality is apart from how they look when you watch them. For what it's worth I think the Crimson Tide deserve to be in the top 4, but if they play a solid Oklahoma or Michigan State team, it might be interesting to see what happens on their offence. The old adage of Defense winning championships might be apt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 06, 2015, 04:12:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 06, 2015, 03:30:45 PM
They played a lot of each other. Georgia and Tennessee are not great teams this year. And are the Miss schools really reemerging, or is it further evidence of a levelling off in the SEC, particularly the west. We'll see in the coming years I suppose.

The SEC is where it's at, but the gap is not as great as SEC heads seem to think it is, and because they play very little outside their conference it's hard to get a guage. We say they all beat each other up, but when you turn around and play Charleston or Georgia Southern, it's hard to see what the relative quality is apart from how they look when you watch them. For what it's worth I think the Crimson Tide deserve to be in the top 4, but if they play a solid Oklahoma or Michigan State team, it might be interesting to see what happens on their offence. The old adage of Defense winning championships might be apt.

Miss State and Ole Miss were roadkill for years if not decades. Both scoring big wins and beating or being competive with Bama, the preeminent SEC team and indeed the plain preemiennt college football school of the current era. Legit turnarounds imo. Great to see a state with as much football tradition as Miss coming to the fore again, even if it makes the west a total minefield now where pretty much every team starts the year with designs on the SEC championship.

Once the CFP expands to eight teams you'll see a few SEC national semis and finals.

That Bama O-line are monstrous too remember, and have been for a long time. Ingram won the Heisman behind the Tide line and Richardson was the third overall pick, Eddie Lacy was there too. Henry beating them all - including Bo Jackson's SEC rushing record - this season. Unless Bama's defense lets them down they will run the legs off any defence that's left and protect Coker and allow him to game-manage his way to a national title, just like McElroy and McCarron before him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 07, 2015, 02:47:12 AM
OS beat the crap out of them last year, the SEC is still a strong conference, not what you think it is though..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2015, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 07, 2015, 02:47:12 AM
OS beat the crap out of them last year, the SEC is still a strong conference, not what you think it is though..

Alabama is though and that's my point. Was ridiculous of you to say they weren't top four. Ohio not even back to defend their title but the Tide are here yet again. I'd expect them to beat a pro-style Spartans team of the type Alabama have found a lot of historical success against and who is going to bet against Saban bringing another title back to Tuscaloosa then?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 22, 2015, 11:32:30 PM
My new rankings

1) Panthers
2) Patriots
3) Cardinals
4) Seahawks
5) Steelers
6) Broncos
7) Bengals
8) packers
9) Chiefs
10) Vikings
11) Jets
12) Redskins
The rest.... Whatever....
Bengals would be higher if Dalton comes back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on December 23, 2015, 07:44:48 AM
Think the Seahawks are too high there cadhlancian. With the injuries at rb, the decline of their defence and playing away in all their playoff games, it'll take miracles from Russell Wilson to get them deep into the playoffs. I'd have the Steelers, Bengals and even the Packers above them, certainly in terms of their chances of winning out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
I'm not so sure about that. They have it tough but they've been on an absolute tear of late and Wilson has been the best player in football over the last month (even if Syf will probably choose to ignore the statistical evidence for it and insist it's been Can). The Rawls injury was unfortunate but Lynch coming back should help them out.

Nobody in the NFC wants to play them and I wouldn't put money against them making three Super Bowls in a row.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 23, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
I'm not so sure about that. They have it tough but they've been on an absolute tear of late and Wilson has been the best player in football over the last month (even if Syf will probably choose to ignore the statistical evidence for it and insist it's been Can). The Rawls injury was unfortunate but Lynch coming back should help them out.

Nobody in the NFC wants to play them and I wouldn't put money against them making three Super Bowls in a row.

I agree with this. Marshawn will be fresh when he returns. I'm rooting for the Panthers but the Seahawks still loom large.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 23, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
Is the Pro Bowl a selection or is it an idiot public vote? Rodgers has been pretty average this season but of course he makes it. Probably the "starter". The likes of Rivers, Eli, Dalton, Bortles, Cousins, Carr all having/had better seasons but are excluded.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 23, 2015, 01:10:20 PM
QuoteThe Pro Bowl players were determined by the consensus votes of fans, players and coaches. Each group's vote counted one-third toward determining the 86 Pro Bowl selections announced today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 23, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 23, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
Is the Pro Bowl a selection or is it an idiot public vote? Rodgers has been pretty average this season but of course he makes it. Probably the "starter". The likes of Rivers, Eli, Dalton, Bortles, Cousins, Carr all having/had better seasons but are excluded.

Probably Rodgers worst season for a few years

He has thrown 6 interceptions
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on December 23, 2015, 01:29:56 PM
As a Dolphins fan, Reshad Jones missing the Pro Bowl is a complete joke. Easily the teams best player, makes plays every week. I thought he would be in consideration for best Safety in the league this year never mind missing the Pro Bowl.

The Dolphins one selection was Mike Pouncey.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 23, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 23, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
Is the Pro Bowl a selection or is it an idiot public vote? Rodgers has been pretty average this season but of course he makes it. Probably the "starter". The likes of Rivers, Eli, Dalton, Bortles, Cousins, Carr all having/had better seasons but are excluded.

Fans, players and coaches.

The fan involvement is, of course, idiotic, but will make sure the favourites of the public get there, which of course will improve ratings.

And you're correct on Rodgers.

Eli has had a great season considering it's just him and Beckham and that's it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 23, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
I'm not so sure about that. They have it tough but they've been on an absolute tear of late and Wilson has been the best player in football over the last month (even if Syf will probably choose to ignore the statistical evidence for it and insist it's been Can). The Rawls injury was unfortunate but Lynch coming back should help them out.

Nobody in the NFC wants to play them and I wouldn't put money against them making three Super Bowls in a row.

You can argue what you want Gallman, but it's clear over the season he's the runaway MVP and it's been his play the past month or so that has put it beyond doubt. He's made Ted Ginn, draft bust and punt returner, into a threat ffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 23, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
I'm not so sure about that. They have it tough but they've been on an absolute tear of late and Wilson has been the best player in football over the last month (even if Syf will probably choose to ignore the statistical evidence for it and insist it's been Can). The Rawls injury was unfortunate but Lynch coming back should help them out.

Nobody in the NFC wants to play them and I wouldn't put money against them making three Super Bowls in a row.

You can argue what you want Gallman, but it's clear over the season he's the runaway MVP and it's been his play the past month or so that has put it beyond doubt. He's made Ted Ginn, draft bust and punt returner, into a threat ffs.

He's MVP no doubt but Wilson has been the best QB in football over the last 4/5 games and the stats back it up - it's them arguing it, not me. How many TDs has Doug Baldwin put up recently?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 23, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 23, 2015, 09:07:41 AM
I'm not so sure about that. They have it tough but they've been on an absolute tear of late and Wilson has been the best player in football over the last month (even if Syf will probably choose to ignore the statistical evidence for it and insist it's been Can). The Rawls injury was unfortunate but Lynch coming back should help them out.

Nobody in the NFC wants to play them and I wouldn't put money against them making three Super Bowls in a row.

You can argue what you want Gallman, but it's clear over the season he's the runaway MVP and it's been his play the past month or so that has put it beyond doubt. He's made Ted Ginn, draft bust and punt returner, into a threat ffs.

He's MVP no doubt but Wilson has been the best QB in football over the last 4/5 games and the stats back it up - it's them arguing it, not me. How many TDs has Doug Baldwin put up recently?!

For example, these:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/russell-wilson-stats-best-stretch-nfl-history-seattle-seahawks-playoffs-touchdowns-interceptions

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/16666/five-numbers-that-explain-russell-wilsons-historic-four-game-stretch

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14363989/russell-wilson-playing-best-qb-second-half-ot-season-nfl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 24, 2015, 09:44:36 AM
Quote from: J70 on December 23, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 23, 2015, 01:05:53 PM
Is the Pro Bowl a selection or is it an idiot public vote? Rodgers has been pretty average this season but of course he makes it. Probably the "starter". The likes of Rivers, Eli, Dalton, Bortles, Cousins, Carr all having/had better seasons but are excluded.

Fans, players and coaches.

The fan involvement is, of course, idiotic, but will make sure the favourites of the public get there, which of course will improve ratings.

And you're correct on Rodgers.

Eli has had a great season considering it's just him and Beckham and that's it!

Thank you!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 27, 2015, 06:40:30 PM
Peyton Manning in a spot of bother
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maigheo on December 27, 2015, 07:23:17 PM
Has strongly denied the allegations so there must be some grain of truth to it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 27, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
Hard to know what to make of it. Obviously if he did it was to help rehab from the neck injury and the four surgeries. Usually mud sticks but when Manning has been facing down roided up linesmen and linebackers for two decades it's hard to see it ruining his reputation unless he's definitely proven to have done a Brady and lied in his comments this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 27, 2015, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
Hard to know what to make of it. Obviously if he did it was to help rehab from the neck injury and the four surgeries. Usually mud sticks but when Manning has been facing down roided up linesmen and linebackers for two decades it's hard to see it ruining his reputation unless he's definitely proven to have done a Brady and lied in his comments this weekend.

Brady's reputation is just fine, he is a sure fire hall of famer and nobody gives a shite about deflagate anymore, it is over, they failed to prove their case, end of!
Title: Re: American Sports Thr
Post by: Syferus on December 27, 2015, 08:38:00 PM
Quote from: stew on December 27, 2015, 08:21:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 27, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
Hard to know what to make of it. Obviously if he did it was to help rehab from the neck injury and the four surgeries. Usually mud sticks but when Manning has been facing down roided up linesmen and linebackers for two decades it's hard to see it ruining his reputation unless he's definitely proven to have done a Brady and lied in his comments this weekend.

Brady's reputation is just fine, he is a sure fire hall of famer and nobody gives a shite about deflagate anymore, it is over, they failed to prove their case, end of!

Manning is way more liked than Brady and the Pats are so mud will stick easier to them. Deflategate is far from over either. The NFL are appealing the overruling of their suspension by a court, Brady only managed to succeed in pushing it until this season is over. Real possibility he could have to serve his four game ban next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 27, 2015, 08:41:50 PM
I can see Manning getting a nice soft soaping on this from the US networks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 27, 2015, 09:08:01 PM
f**k can you imagine Bellichicks gob after the OT coin toss

Edit - Apparently Slater was instructed to kick if they won the toss
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 27, 2015, 09:41:07 PM
The Panthers lost their unbeaten record against the falcons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 28, 2015, 12:28:43 AM
Can't see anyone stopping the Cards
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 28, 2015, 01:31:45 AM
More important stories in the NFL but Tim Hightower's comeback with New Orleans is remarkable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 28, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Seanie you must have loved that 😀 It was like they declared open season on Rogers. I nearly felt sorry for him by the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on December 28, 2015, 10:56:34 AM
Sat the Cardinal D/ST in my fantasy playoff final last night  :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 30, 2015, 12:51:40 AM
Chip and the Eagles part ways
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 28, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Seanie you must have loved that 😀 It was like they declared open season on Rogers. I nearly felt sorry for him by the end.

I really did. Pro bowl me hole. Although it was probably someone elses fault, his o-line, his receivers, the play calling, the officials.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 30, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 28, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Seanie you must have loved that 😀 It was like they declared open season on Rogers. I nearly felt sorry for him by the end.

I really did. Pro bowl me hole. Although it was probably someone elses fault, his o-line, his receivers, the play calling, the officials.....

Well when you get sacked 8 times there probably is an issue with your O line, especially when that O line has three back ups playing.

One of those back ups - Barclay, has given up the second most sacks in the NFL this season - he hasn't even played half a season.

Regardless of your bitterness 30TD & 7 INT is Pro Bowl form, he hasn't played as well this year, no doubt, but those numbers with that wide receiving & TE corps is good. Slowest wide receivers in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 30, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 28, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Seanie you must have loved that 😀 It was like they declared open season on Rogers. I nearly felt sorry for him by the end.

I really did. Pro bowl me hole. Although it was probably someone elses fault, his o-line, his receivers, the play calling, the officials.....

Well when you get sacked 8 times there probably is an issue with your O line, especially when that O line has three back ups playing.

One of those back ups - Barclay, has given up the second most sacks in the NFL this season - he hasn't even played half a season.

Regardless of your bitterness 30TD & 7 INT is Pro Bowl form, he hasn't played as well this year, no doubt, but those numbers with that wide receiving & TE corps is good. Slowest wide receivers in the NFL.

Excuses, excuses. Is Randall Cobb slow now? Only material difference from last year receivers is Jordy Nelson. That's it. And Davante Adams came with a load of hype. Every team has injuries, you can't hide behind it. When every other QB takes loads of sacks they get blamed for holding the ball too long but not Aaron of course. If you think he was in the top 6 QB's this season I'm afraid it's you who has clouded judgement. People keep pointing to the low number of interceptions but he had at least two fumbles the other night.

And if the receivers are as bad as you say then it shows an outrageous level of arrogance by the Packers - sure we can play anyone, Aaron is THAT good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 30, 2015, 04:40:32 PM
The bitterness is strong in this one.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/10/31/aaron-rodgers-green-bay-packers-quarterback-analytics
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 30, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 30, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 28, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Seanie you must have loved that 😀 It was like they declared open season on Rogers. I nearly felt sorry for him by the end.

I really did. Pro bowl me hole. Although it was probably someone elses fault, his o-line, his receivers, the play calling, the officials.....

Well when you get sacked 8 times there probably is an issue with your O line, especially when that O line has three back ups playing.

One of those back ups - Barclay, has given up the second most sacks in the NFL this season - he hasn't even played half a season.

Regardless of your bitterness 30TD & 7 INT is Pro Bowl form, he hasn't played as well this year, no doubt, but those numbers with that wide receiving & TE corps is good. Slowest wide receivers in the NFL.

Excuses, excuses. Is Randall Cobb slow now? Only material difference from last year receivers is Jordy Nelson. That's it. And Davante Adams came with a load of hype. Every team has injuries, you can't hide behind it. When every other QB takes loads of sacks they get blamed for holding the ball too long but not Aaron of course. If you think he was in the top 6 QB's this season I'm afraid it's you who has clouded judgement. People keep pointing to the low number of interceptions but he had at least two fumbles the other night.

And if the receivers are as bad as you say then it shows an outrageous level of arrogance by the Packers - sure we can play anyone, Aaron is THAT good.

Cobb has been absolutely atrocious this year, and has shown he isn't a #1 receiver.

Adams has been worse, 1 TD all year I think.

Pro Football Focus Top 10 quarterbacks rated going into Week 17

Big Ben 99.9
Palmer 99.6
Brady 99.5
Wilson 86.3
Newton 85.8
Rodgers 85.3
Carr83.8
Brees 82.0
Rivers 79.9
Taylor 79.1

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/25361/dropped-passes-plague-packers-wrs-davante-adams-randall-cobb

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/26235/packers-receiver-davante-adams-struggles-continueCarr







Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 31, 2015, 08:02:18 PM
Great evening in store in the NCAA semi finals. Clemson and Oklahoma up first at 9 our time. Alabama and Michigan State after that. Feck the new year countdown, this is a real New Year's Eve treat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 31, 2015, 08:42:19 PM
Houston up 38-24 over Florida State with two minutes remaining
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 31, 2015, 08:53:54 PM
Yeah. I took Houston -9.5 at half time. Was looking dodgy there for a bit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2016, 01:34:36 AM
Cheering for Michigan State with their 29 Ohioans on their roster, not to mention QB Connor Cook from Cleveland Walsh Jesuit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 01, 2016, 01:50:19 AM
NYE Bets

MSU +9.5 vs Bama

2 team parlay Clemson +4 and MSU +9.5  half of it completed

2 team parlay  MSU +9.5 and Iowa +6

Go Big Ten and ACC!!!



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 01, 2016, 01:53:11 AM
This is a heavyweight battle. Hard to run on either team. Will Cook win the QB battle?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 01, 2016, 01:56:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 01, 2016, 01:53:11 AM
This is a heavyweight battle. Hard to run on either team. Will Cook win the QB battle?

I believe so, after he took that first hit he should be good to go. I can see the O/U around 33.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2016, 01:58:11 AM
Think Cook is the better QB, but fear than in time the 'Bama DL will wear down the Spartan offensive line. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 01, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
Well that was emphatic in the end. Fair play to Alabama they just keep rocking. It will be a fascinating final. Clemson looked very good in the second half against what I thought was a good OU team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 01, 2016, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 30, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 30, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 30, 2015, 01:30:29 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 28, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
Seanie you must have loved that 😀 It was like they declared open season on Rogers. I nearly felt sorry for him by the end.

I really did. Pro bowl me hole. Although it was probably someone elses fault, his o-line, his receivers, the play calling, the officials.....

Well when you get sacked 8 times there probably is an issue with your O line, especially when that O line has three back ups playing.

One of those back ups - Barclay, has given up the second most sacks in the NFL this season - he hasn't even played half a season.

Regardless of your bitterness 30TD & 7 INT is Pro Bowl form, he hasn't played as well this year, no doubt, but those numbers with that wide receiving & TE corps is good. Slowest wide receivers in the NFL.

Excuses, excuses. Is Randall Cobb slow now? Only material difference from last year receivers is Jordy Nelson. That's it. And Davante Adams came with a load of hype. Every team has injuries, you can't hide behind it. When every other QB takes loads of sacks they get blamed for holding the ball too long but not Aaron of course. If you think he was in the top 6 QB's this season I'm afraid it's you who has clouded judgement. People keep pointing to the low number of interceptions but he had at least two fumbles the other night.

And if the receivers are as bad as you say then it shows an outrageous level of arrogance by the Packers - sure we can play anyone, Aaron is THAT good.

Cobb has been absolutely atrocious this year, and has shown he isn't a #1 receiver.

Adams has been worse, 1 TD all year I think.

Pro Football Focus Top 10 quarterbacks rated going into Week 17

Big Ben 99.9
Palmer 99.6
Brady 99.5
Wilson 86.3
Newton 85.8
Rodgers 85.3
Carr83.8
Brees 82.0
Rivers 79.9
Taylor 79.1

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/25361/dropped-passes-plague-packers-wrs-davante-adams-randall-cobb

http://espn.go.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/26235/packers-receiver-davante-adams-struggles-continueCarr

What are those ratings based on? Rodgers has a pretty mediocre QBR this season, well outside the top 10. Are they Week 17 rankings or something?

Plenty of QB's have to deal with bad o-lines and receivers dropping passes. None get a free pass like Rodgers. Cutler for example was always blamed for taking too many sacks even when playing behind 5 turnstiles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 01, 2016, 11:50:01 AM
The stats are up to and including week 16

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

Quite a few NFL teams use PFF for analysis, it's not perfect but no analysis is.

We have been round the houses on this and obviously disagree, happy new year and hope you like my new avatar !

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2016, 06:37:36 PM
D@&$ it! Notre Dame throws an interception, but Joey Bosa gets ejected for targeting!  Could be a game changer.  C'mon Ohio State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2016, 07:46:19 PM
HT Buckeyes lead the Squabbling French 28-14.  OSU has had a few chances to bury ND, but the Golden Domers keep rebounding.  Not over by a long shot.  Zeke Elliott with 3 TDs for the Bucks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2016, 08:19:32 PM
Once down by 21 pts., ND now behind by 7 in 3rd. quarter. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2016, 09:41:43 PM
FT. Ohio State 44. Notre Dame 28. Go Bucks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2016, 09:09:11 PM
Jets being the Jets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 03, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
Rex Ryan will be a happy man tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 03, 2016, 10:55:05 PM
Seattle showing they're still a massive threat to everyone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 04, 2016, 12:11:28 AM
Peyton Manning back in and playing really well so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2016, 01:03:20 AM
GB and Minnesota would be better off losing this game. Winner gets Seattle. Loser possibly gets Redskins???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 04, 2016, 01:11:39 AM
I'm pretty sure that if the Vikings lose they'll play GB again and Seattle will play Washington.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 04, 2016, 01:11:39 AM
I'm pretty sure that if the Vikings lose they'll play GB again and Seattle will play Washington.
Thats correct
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 04, 2016, 02:16:06 AM
And, of course, the Browns fire the coach and GM, our seasonal ritual, making, once again, the high point of our year the NFL draft.

Does that mean that Johnny Football is destined to join the legion of ex-Browns QBs in the not so distant future?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 04, 2016, 05:36:30 AM
Tomsula fired by niners don't know what they expected of him with depleted roster from previous years , hope he gets contract paid in full and it exposes jeb as a complete gobshite again .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 04, 2016, 12:11:28 AM
Peyton Manning back in and playing really well so far.

5/9 for 69 yards. No TDs. I don't get how that is being played as Manning sparking the Broncos to a win. What it tells me is that it would be mad to play a half-fit 40 year-old over a QB that's been at least competent if the Broncos intend to try to win games in the play-offs as opposed to giving Manning a teary-eyed send-off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
He did a few intangibles though Syferus, such as getting the Chargers to jump offsides, and also audibling to run plays when he recognised the defenses. He's still clever in that sort of sphere. I think Osweiler got shafted there though. As soon as Manning was activated it was only a matter of time before he was put in, and now the Broncos have a distraction they don't need.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2016, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 04, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
He did a few intangibles though Syferus, such as getting the Chargers to jump offsides, and also audibling to run plays when he recognised the defenses. He's still clever in that sort of sphere. I think Osweiler got shafted there though. As soon as Manning was activated it was only a matter of time before he was put in, and now the Broncos have a distraction they don't need.

I watched a good bit of him last night and he looked much better than he has for a while, especially making plays from under center which he doesn't like. He hit a couple of smart throws and it made the defence try to adjust and then BOOM - the running game opened up big time. I've always thought that was one of his great skills - taking the cheap yards with the run game when the defence backed off due to fear of him throwing. That has been lost for a while. Maybe his layoff has cleared up other ailments and he can be good again? We'll see. Either way I think he's a better bet than Osweiler who has been decent but no more than that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 04, 2016, 01:01:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 04, 2016, 12:23:43 PM
He did a few intangibles though Syferus, such as getting the Chargers to jump offsides, and also audibling to run plays when he recognised the defenses. He's still clever in that sort of sphere. I think Osweiler got shafted there though. As soon as Manning was activated it was only a matter of time before he was put in, and now the Broncos have a distraction they don't need.

The narrative is helped by Osweiler's turnovers but most of them weren't his fault!

Quite a bizarre weekend in terms of the wildcards. Seattle were the team nobody wanted until last week's slump, then they go out there and annihilate the Cards like that. I don't think there was any complacency or anything from the Cards either - they only properly quit once the game was long since gone from them. Seattle could still very well come out of the NFC. The Steelers/Jets scenario was laughable. Anyone other than the Browns and the Steelers might well have lost that game. They didn't look great at all and after last week's mess against the Ravens, you have to fancy Cinci to actually win a playoff game for once.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 04, 2016, 01:12:34 PM
QuoteMaybe his layoff has cleared up other ailments and he can be good again?

Or maybe it's his recovery medication ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2016, 01:18:23 PM
gallsman, the Cards were absolutely off the boil last night. If the Seahawks and Cardinals meet again, it will not look like that. Arizona is notorious for not getting up for games like that, and all week the noises from the camp were that training was lackadaisical and poor. Add in the mental errors, dropped passes etc, and I think that, while they didn't go out to lose in any way, they were not nearly at the level of intensity they need when you are playing a good team.

Seattle will be a nightmare now, but the good thing for Arizona with the way the seedings have worked out, is they won't see them again until the NFC Championship game, should both get that far. Arizona will play the best seeded winner, so even if Seattle beat Minnesota, which I expect them to, The Cards would play the winners of Green Bay and Washington. If Minnesota win, they'll play the Vikings.

Carolina must be thinking thanks very much!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 04, 2016, 01:38:47 PM
Oh no doubt it won't look anything like that, but after last week, I (and I imagine a lot of others) would have had the Cards inevitably winning a theoretical playoff matchup quite handily and said the NFC was a Carolina/Cards toss up. Now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2016, 01:46:02 PM
Jaysus, I never thought that!! :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 04, 2016, 03:49:33 PM
Seattle are definitely running into form at the right time, but look what tHey did last week at home to the Rams? To be honest, the odds are severely stacked against them. They will have to win on the road against the Vikings, maybe the Packers and possibly Arizona or Carolina. Tall order.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 04, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 04, 2016, 01:11:39 AM
I'm pretty sure that if the Vikings lose they'll play GB again and Seattle will play Washington.
Thats correct

Packers must have wanted to lose judging by some of their play last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 04, 2016, 07:32:53 PM
Coach Coughlin steps down in New York

Quote"I met with John Mara and Steve Tisch this afternoon, and I informed them that it is in the best interest of the organization that I step down as head coach. I strongly believe the time is right for me and my family, and as I said, the Giants organization.

"It has been an honor and a privilege to serve as head coach of the New York Football Giants. This is a not a sad occasion for me. I have spent 15 years with this organization as an assistant and head coach and was fortunate to be part of three Super Bowl winning teams. A Lombardi Trophy every five years is an achievement in which we all take great pride.

"Obviously, the past three years have not been what any of us expect, and as head coach, I accept the responsibility for those seasons.

"I think it has been evident these last 12 years here how much pride I take in representing this franchise. I am gratified and proud that we were able to deliver two more Lombardi trophies to the display case in our lobby during that time. That is a tribute to our players and staff, and it was truly fulfilling to be the leader of those teams.

"I appreciate the support of John and his family and Steve and his family, and of Jerry Reese and his staff. I think our organization is a great representation of what I mean when I talk about 'team'.

"Finally, I would be remiss if I did not thank my wife Judy and our four children and their spouses and our 11 (soon to be 12) grandchildren. None of this would have been possible without their unconditional love and support."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
Wonder is that him retired ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2016, 05:36:30 AM
Tomsula fired by niners don't know what they expected of him with depleted roster from previous years , hope he gets contract paid in full and it exposes jeb as a complete gobshite again .

Tomsula was completely out of his depth from the very beginning.

Since Navarro Bowman got his knee blown up in the NFC championship game 2 years ago it seems like everything that could have gone wrong for the niners has gone wrong. Notwithstanding all the misfortune they have suffered, one thing is clear - the ownership are idiots. To run a coach out of town that went 44-19 in 4 years and to replace him with someone as painfully overmatched as Tomsula, is the height of arrogance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
Just saw Micah Hyde's interception from the Packers/Vikings game - what a play!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2016, 05:36:30 AM
Tomsula fired by niners don't know what they expected of him with depleted roster from previous years , hope he gets contract paid in full and it exposes jeb as a complete gobshite again .

Tomsula was completely out of his depth from the very beginning.

Since Navarro Bowman got his knee blown up in the NFC championship game 2 years ago it seems like everything that could have gone wrong for the niners has gone wrong. Notwithstanding all the misfortune they have suffered, one thing is clear - the ownership are idiots. To run a coach out of town that went 44-19 in 4 years and to replace him with someone as painfully overmatched as Tomsula, is the height of arrogance.

Yeah Tomsula was well out of his depth, not often a position coach gets promoted to Head Coach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2016, 04:35:14 PM
Listening to Bill Simmons today - apparently Sean Lee was due a 2m bonus if he suited up against Washington and volunteered to the trainers that his hamstring wasn't right SBD he shouldn't play. Some level of honesty if true!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 05, 2016, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 05, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 04, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2016, 05:36:30 AM
Tomsula fired by niners don't know what they expected of him with depleted roster from previous years , hope he gets contract paid in full and it exposes jeb as a complete gobshite again .

Tomsula was completely out of his depth from the very beginning.

Since Navarro Bowman got his knee blown up in the NFC championship game 2 years ago it seems like everything that could have gone wrong for the niners has gone wrong. Notwithstanding all the misfortune they have suffered, one thing is clear - the ownership are idiots. To run a coach out of town that went 44-19 in 4 years and to replace him with someone as painfully overmatched as Tomsula, is the height of arrogance.

Yeah Tomsula was well out of his depth, not often a position coach gets promoted to Head Coach.

The 49ers have form in that regard. Singletary went from LB Coach (with only a year or twos experience) to Head Coach, with similarly disastrous consequences. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2016, 05:03:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 05, 2016, 04:35:14 PM
Listening to Bill Simmons today - apparently Sean Lee was due a 2m bonus if he suited up against Washington and volunteered to the trainers that his hamstring wasn't right SBD he shouldn't play. Some level of honesty if true!

Yeah I saw that last week, he needed to play in 85% of snaps to trigger a $2m bonus. There is talk they may restructure his contract and give him it as a bonus but they can't just hand it to him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 06, 2016, 12:54:51 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 04, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 04, 2016, 01:50:32 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 04, 2016, 01:11:39 AM
I'm pretty sure that if the Vikings lose they'll play GB again and Seattle will play Washington.
Thats correct

Packers must have wanted to lose judging by some of their play last night.

There are a lot of angry people in Green Bay after that performance, Rodgers cannot find an open man and is having to take Favre esque risks to keep them afloat, hard to believe Nelson is that important to GB.

GB are fecked, bounced in the first round unless someone in the WR core can get open and his OL shows up, they need to throw screen passes and slant passes as well as have an effective running game, shor passes for three or four yards and hope that someone can make a play.

OL and WR have to be the focus in the draft in March.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 07, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Manning to start for Den in the playoffs.

Inevitable i suppose given they yanked Osweiller last week. May be the lay off will have done him good but he was awful at the start of the season. A prime example of why win/loss record is no way to judge a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
Not surprised in one way. Once they went back to him after giving Osweiler a short lease, he was unlikely to go back on the bench. However, I think his previous failings in playoff games might come back to haunt them. He just doesn't have the arm, and if the weather gets going there he might be in trouble. I suppose the Patriots making an unusual slip up, thereby giving Denver potential home advantage might help. I certainly couldn't see him beating Brady in Foxboro.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 07, 2016, 04:07:56 PM
America at Large: Peyton Manning drug story being ignored

Denver Broncos quarterback accused of using Human Growth Hormone
Dave Hannigan

During the endless hours of NFL pre-game shows across various American channels last Sunday morning, not a single word was uttered by any pundit about Peyton Manning being implicated in a Human Growth Hormone (HGH) scandal. One of the most iconic figures of the past 15 years is linked with a performance-enhancing substance in a documentary, yet none of the television programmes dedicated to forensically covering the league saw fit to even mention it.

On New York radio the same day, CBS commentator Jim Nantz, arguably the voice of the sport these days, was asked if he'd be addressing the issue while working Manning's game for the Denver Broncos later that afternoon. As if.

"No, why would we?" asked Nantz. "If we talk about it, we would only continue to breathe life into a story that on all levels is a non-story. Why add another layer to it?"

Around about the same time Nantz delivered that stunning abdication of journalistic responsibility, Deborah Davies, a reporter involved in Al-Jazeera's controversial production The Dark Side, was on CNN. There, she claimed to have a second source backing up the initial allegation that several shipments of HGH were sent to Manning's wife Ashley by Indianapolis's Guyer Institute in 2011.

Nobody knows if Manning is guilty of anything other than being extremely unlucky. Imagine how unfortunate and coincidental that his wife was receiving this particular drug in the mail, the kind of substance that might help a quarterback recovering from career-threatening neck surgery, desperate to get back on the field. Just at a time when he fit that exact profile.

And from the very same doctor he was visiting himself for nutrient, oxygen and something called enhanced external counterpulsation (which helps push blood through the body) therapies. Not to mention that American sport has recent, bitter experience with spouses who've enabled and/or been patsies for accused husbands – the New York Daily News dubbing them "the steroid wives club".

If the vehemence of Manning's denial – "Damn straight, I'd never do anything outside the rules" – matched some of Lance Armstrong's tours de force, his subsequent decision to hire the unctuous Ari Fleischer, George W Bush's former flack, as his spokesman didn't do much to convince doubters. Not that there were too many of them.

A lot of the media here have dismissed the story altogether because, just like with Armstrong back in the day, the alternative is perhaps too gruesome to even contemplate. America's clean-cut, aw-shucks quarterback, the one who's so funny on TV ads and yuks it up on Saturday Night Live, taking something he shoudn't? Never.

There are reports of outlets digging deeper. Indeed, we've already learned that Dr Leonard Guyer, Manning's holistic therapist, was involved in buying HGH that had been illegally imported in China in 2007, and that his clinic also specialises in a bizarre weight- loss routine known as "fat-freezing". Ultimately, it may take Manning making good on his threat to sue before the whole truth outs. And if he doesn't, well, that wouldn't be the most positive sign, would it?

In the meantime, for all the criticisms of its reportage and methodology, Al-Jazeera (all but dismissed as a dodgy Arab station by former Chicago Bears' coach Mike Ditka) may have done the sport a genuine service, forcing a long-overdue conversation about HGH's place in the NFL.

Recently retired players reckon at least 30 to 40 per cent of every team are using it. Others simply describe locker-room abuse of the drug as rampant and necessary, being the only possible way injured stars can continue to suit up through the bruising 17-game regular season.

It's impossible to hazard a guess at how prevalent HGH really is. After the players' union and the NFL agreed in principle to testing for it in 2011, they then took three years to implement a system so risible that it is a complete joke. Of the almost 800 players selected for scrutiny last season, not a single one tested positive for HGH. The procedure they employ is so basic it will only catch somebody who has used in the hours prior to giving a blood sample. An ailing linebacker who has injected the day before will not be caught.

Independent observers believe that deploying this rudimentary isoform testing was designed to allow the NFL to claim to be cracking down, keeping politicians off its back, while really enabling individuals to continue using with impunity. Which is problematic. Aside from the damage long-term use may be doing to their own bodies, there is, just like in contact sports closer to home, the issue of players getting bigger, faster and stronger, and inflicting more serious damage on each other during games.

Amid talk of prospects using HGH to tack on 15lbs of muscle between finishing college and starting in the NFL, the league has promised to introduce a more comprehensive test next season and to investigate the claims made by Al-Jazeera. Meanwhile, at least one in three of those taking the field for the playoffs this weekend will have got there with the assistance of the substance preferred by the Denver Broncos' quarterback's wife.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
Saw this alright. I'm sure if it was some outspoken guy, maybe Richard Sherman or the like, or a controversial character like Manziel, it would be all over the news. the NFL sicken my shite they way they deal with disciplinary issues. If he wears eye black with a message about his dead father, he'd be fined. Use HGH? Ah sure, nothing to see here.

the NFL needs to get serious about drugs and PEDs. We can ooh and ahh at the technical skills, but at the end of the day, it's a lot about establishing physical dominance, and PEDs and HGH obviously help there. Rugby needs to be careful too. There's a similarity about the body types that is hard to ignore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 07, 2016, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
Saw this alright. I'm sure if it was some outspoken guy, maybe Richard Sherman or the like, or a controversial character like Manziel, it would be all over the news. the NFL sicken my shite they way they deal with disciplinary issues. If he wears eye black with a message about his dead father, he'd be fined. Use HGH? Ah sure, nothing to see here.

the NFL needs to get serious about drugs and PEDs. We can ooh and ahh at the technical skills, but at the end of the day, it's a lot about establishing physical dominance, and PEDs and HGH obviously help there. Rugby needs to be careful too. There's a similarity about the body types that is hard to ignore.

If he was black he'd be suspended by now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 07, 2016, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
Not surprised in one way. Once they went back to him after giving Osweiler a short lease, he was unlikely to go back on the bench. However, I think his previous failings in playoff games might come back to haunt them. He just doesn't have the arm, and if the weather gets going there he might be in trouble. I suppose the Patriots making an unusual slip up, thereby giving Denver potential home advantage might help. I certainly couldn't see him beating Brady in Foxboro.

Denver's hopes lie with their defence. Manning doesn't have to be brilliant if the defence plays well. He just has to make some plays and not make errors. He couldn't do that early season, lets see if he can do it now. Quarterback play is massively overstated in NFL and American Football as a whole.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2016, 07:42:03 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 07, 2016, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
Not surprised in one way. Once they went back to him after giving Osweiler a short lease, he was unlikely to go back on the bench. However, I think his previous failings in playoff games might come back to haunt them. He just doesn't have the arm, and if the weather gets going there he might be in trouble. I suppose the Patriots making an unusual slip up, thereby giving Denver potential home advantage might help. I certainly couldn't see him beating Brady in Foxboro.

Denver's hopes lie with their defence. Manning doesn't have to be brilliant if the defence plays well. He just has to make some plays and not make errors. He couldn't do that early season, lets see if he can do it now. Quarterback play is massively overstated in NFL and American Football as a whole.

IM not sure about it being overrated Seanie. Perhaps the cult of the individual QB is, but unless you have an 85 Bears type defence, you need a good QB. Look at last years Cardinals. Would the Patriots be consistently excellent without Brady? I know Cassells stood in well in the injury year, but if Brady left the Pats they'd be in trouble.

Overstated, possibly, but vitally important nonetheless, in my opinion. A great QB can make a lot of problems go away. But he needs the other parts as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 08, 2016, 07:42:03 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 07, 2016, 11:31:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:02:47 PM
Not surprised in one way. Once they went back to him after giving Osweiler a short lease, he was unlikely to go back on the bench. However, I think his previous failings in playoff games might come back to haunt them. He just doesn't have the arm, and if the weather gets going there he might be in trouble. I suppose the Patriots making an unusual slip up, thereby giving Denver potential home advantage might help. I certainly couldn't see him beating Brady in Foxboro.

Denver's hopes lie with their defence. Manning doesn't have to be brilliant if the defence plays well. He just has to make some plays and not make errors. He couldn't do that early season, lets see if he can do it now. Quarterback play is massively overstated in NFL and American Football as a whole.

IM not sure about it being overrated Seanie. Perhaps the cult of the individual QB is, but unless you have an 85 Bears type defence, you need a good QB. Look at last years Cardinals. Would the Patriots be consistently excellent without Brady? I know Cassells stood in well in the injury year, but if Brady left the Pats they'd be in trouble.

Overstated, possibly, but vitally important nonetheless, in my opinion. A great QB can make a lot of problems go away. But he needs the other parts as well.

Yeah you can't really succeed in the NFL without a good QB, look at the Cowboys this year as well. When you don't have a good one your running back with be dealing with running into 8/9 players in the box. Makes it a lot easier for a defense when they know they aren't gonna get beaten through the air.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on January 08, 2016, 05:36:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 07, 2016, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2016, 04:12:04 PM
Saw this alright. I'm sure if it was some outspoken guy, maybe Richard Sherman or the like, or a controversial character like Manziel, it would be all over the news. the NFL sicken my shite they way they deal with disciplinary issues. If he wears eye black with a message about his dead father, he'd be fined. Use HGH? Ah sure, nothing to see here.

the NFL needs to get serious about drugs and PEDs. We can ooh and ahh at the technical skills, but at the end of the day, it's a lot about establishing physical dominance, and PEDs and HGH obviously help there. Rugby needs to be careful too. There's a similarity about the body types that is hard to ignore.

If he was black he'd be suspended by now.

Yeah, just like Ray Rice or Adrian Peterson or Greg Hardy or Ray Lewis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2016, 12:26:18 PM
Right lads, prediction time for Wildcard Weekend

AFC

Chiefs @ Texans - Chiefs

Steleers @ Bengals - Bengals

NFC

Seahawks @ Vikings - Seahawks

Packers @ Redskins - Redskins

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2016, 12:31:31 PM
Chiefs, Steelers, Seahawks, Packers.

Have absolutely no idea where the faith in the packers is coming from to be honest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bridgegael on January 09, 2016, 01:01:48 PM
Texans, steelers, Seahawks and Redskins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 09, 2016, 01:18:38 PM
Chiefs
Steelers
Seahawks
Wash
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
You would probably give Steelers a much better chance if De Angelo Williams was playing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
You would probably give Steelers a much better chance if De Angelo Williams was playing

It's a tough one to call with Dalton out as well. I think the Bengals are going to need some big plays from McCarron down the field if they're to win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2016, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 09, 2016, 02:17:45 PM
You would probably give Steelers a much better chance if De Angelo Williams was playing

It's a tough one to call with Dalton out as well. I think the Bengals are going to need some big plays from McCarron down the field if they're to win.

Yeah I agree but big plays against that Steelers secondary isn't that difficult
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:22:40 PM
Marshawn Lynch out on Sunday.

There is always one big upset in the playoffs, may be a Vikings win could be it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:22:40 PM
Marshawn Lynch out on Sunday.

There is always one big upset in the playoffs, may be a Vikings win could be it?

He's been out pretty much all year and the new guy was the better bet this weekened. Don't see how this makes Seattle any weaker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 09, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:22:40 PM
Marshawn Lynch out on Sunday.

There is always one big upset in the playoffs, may be a Vikings win could be it?

He's been out pretty much all year and the new guy was the better bet this weekened. Don't see how this makes Seattle any weaker.

The Seahawks had said that he might be back this week, which is why it is news (to me) that he is now ruled out.

By the new guy you mean Christine Michael - who was traded away by the Seahawks at the start of the season (for a 7th, after drafting him in the 2nd) and then released by Cowboys?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2016, 04:59:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 09, 2016, 04:34:28 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 09, 2016, 04:22:40 PM
Marshawn Lynch out on Sunday.

There is always one big upset in the playoffs, may be a Vikings win could be it?

He's been out pretty much all year and the new guy was the better bet this weekened. Don't see how this makes Seattle any weaker.

Of course they are weaker, no Rawls or Lynch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2016, 05:16:00 PM
In a funny way, the absence of Lynch has helped the Seahawks expand their offence a bit, but I'm sure they'd prefer to have Lynch or Rawls instead of Micheal, to try and balance it and take the pressure off Wilson. That said, Wilson has been sensational down the stretch, with Kearse, Lockett and of course Baldwin playing way above themselves.

Is Okun playing? If he's playing I think the Seahawks will win easily enough. If not, then I think it could be close, and the balance might be whether Bridgewater can be enough of a playmaker that the Seahawks have to honour him and let Peterson do some damage.I'm not sure I can see it.

In a lot of these games, the better team might actually be the away team, which makes it harder to predict. Home advantage is normally something that puts them over the edge, but in these games it might just make it a toss up.

I'll go
Bengals (with the Steelers sans a running back)
Chiefs
Redskins
Seahawks

But wouldn't be surprised if I was 0/4.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 09, 2016, 05:47:06 PM
Okung very important to them, as you say AZ. Seems like he'll play. There offense has been lights out recently and their o-line health and play has been an important part of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Watt taking snaps out of the wildcat to run behind Wilfork. Lost a couple of yards but that was fun!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
f**k Hoyer is bad
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 09, 2016, 11:39:58 PM
As bad as Houston is 13 points is poor return, history might repeat itself


Anyone think Bengals can win the 2nd game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2016, 11:44:10 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 09, 2016, 11:39:58 PM
As bad as Houston is 13 points is poor return, history might repeat itself


Anyone think Bengals can win the 2nd game?

Absolutely, no reason they can't. Steelers no running game, horrible secondary & Martavis Bryant goes missing against decent secondaries
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 01:04:25 AM
Wow Kansas 30 zip victors, would love to see smith and Reid win through to the Superbowl, really fancied the chiefs, hoping for a Bengals victory.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2016, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 01:04:25 AM
Wow Kansas 30 zip victors, would love to see smith and Reid win through to the Superbowl, really fancied the chiefs, hoping for a Bengals victory.

Turns out Smith is quite a bit better than Kaepernick !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 01:28:02 AM
As a 49ers fan I did think he was shafted, did f**k all wrong and should have been in a Superbowl the year previous only for special team turn overs. He won't win any QB ratings competition but he wins football games. With that Defence i think they can go to the Superbowl but a lot depend on how healthy they and the teams they play are. Maclin is a worry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 04:20:45 AM
Gonna be a good final quarter here, bengals a chance now Ben is out

O
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 10, 2016, 04:53:32 AM
This is a bizarre finish.Hill fumbles and then 2 unbelievably dumb 15 yard penalties after the play to give the Steelers a 35 yd FG for the win. Steelers ahead by 2 with 18 left. Bengals need a kicking for this. Shocking.

Peyton cant believe his luck
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 05:01:25 AM
Jesus Christ talk about a blow up, sickens me how some guys on multi million dollar contracts can act like that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
How very Bengals of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 10, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
How very Bengals of them.

The Browns would have said that ending was far fetched
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 10, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 10, 2016, 04:53:32 AM
This is a bizarre finish.Hill fumbles and then 2 unbelievably dumb 15 yard penalties after the play to give the Steelers a 35 yd FG for the win. Steelers ahead by 2 with 18 left. Bengals need a kicking for this. Shocking.

Peyton cant believe his luck

Bengals should be ashamed of themselves.

That was a disgrace.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 10, 2016, 01:22:25 PM
Bengal sorta dominated the 2nd Half especially the last quarter once Big Ben got clinked, Bengals are a fairly undisciplined team especially there NO.55, looking to fight with everybody, Hill as well, got what they deserved in the finish
The throwing of bottles and food at Roethlisberger when carted off injured was a damn disgrace
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2016, 01:25:34 PM
Bengals have a history of taking chances on lads with dubious characters. Pac Man Jones won't win any humanitarian awards, and Vontis Burfect was a nightmare at ASU. In fairness, they've been fairly well behaved in the past 2-3 years at least, but I suppose it's never far from the surface.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2016, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 10, 2016, 01:25:34 PM
Bengals have a history of taking chances on lads with dubious characters. Pac Man Jones won't win any humanitarian awards, and Vontis Burfect was a nightmare at ASU. In fairness, they've been fairly well behaved in the past 2-3 years at least, but I suppose it's never far from the surface.

Yeah i saw this earlier from Mike Silver -

Jones conceded, however, that many outsiders would blame Lewis for failing to control his team. And, truth be told, several players inside the Bengals' locker room -- none of whom wanted his name used, for obvious reasons -- felt that Lewis deserved the criticism, citing a season-long lack of discipline among some defensive players in games, practices and meetings.

"Eventually," one player said, "this (expletive) catches up to you."

Said another: "You put up with enough (expletive) for enough time, guys think they can continually do it."

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
That Bengals team might go down in history as the dumbest ever. Burfict is a phenomenal talent but always looks out of control, and that hit on Brown was as moronic as it gets.

I'm surprised the Bengals tried to make a play on the one that Hill fumbled. Should they not have taken a knee x 3 and forced Pittsburgh to use their 3 timeouts, then chip over the field-goal to give themselves a 4 point lead, leaving the Steelers with just over a minute and no time-outs to go the length of the field for a TD?

Brilliant play by Shazier and obviously Hill should have had two hands on the ball, but seemed an unnecessary risk to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
That Bengals team might go down in history as the dumbest ever. Burfict is a phenomenal talent but always looks out of control, and that hit on Brown was as moronic as it gets.

I'm surprised the Bengals tried to make a play on the one that Hill fumbled. Should they not have taken a knee x 3 and forced Pittsburgh to use their 3 timeouts, then chip over the field-goal to give themselves a 4 point lead, leaving the Steelers with just over a minute and no time-outs to go the length of the field for a TD?

Brilliant play by Shazier and obviously Hill should have had two hands on the ball, but seemed an unnecessary risk to me.

Running the ball was the right call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Running the ball was the right call.

Evidently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on January 10, 2016, 05:43:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
That Bengals team might go down in history as the dumbest ever. Burfict is a phenomenal talent but always looks out of control, and that hit on Brown was as moronic as it gets.

I'm surprised the Bengals tried to make a play on the one that Hill fumbled. Should they not have taken a knee x 3 and forced Pittsburgh to use their 3 timeouts, then chip over the field-goal to give themselves a 4 point lead, leaving the Steelers with just over a minute and no time-outs to go the length of the field for a TD?

Brilliant play by Shazier and obviously Hill should have had two hands on the ball, but seemed an unnecessary risk to me.

Running the ball was the right call.



No it wan't, only yourself and Marvin Lewis think it was.
Asal is spot on. The bengals should have realised Ben was crocked and Jones wasn't up to the task so running out time and a 4 point lead would be all they would need. Steelers weren't going to march down the field, let alone a touchdown without help.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 10, 2016, 05:53:24 PM
Minus 23C for the game in Minny right now - without the wind chill  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Running the ball was the right call.

Evidently.

Terrible execution doesn't change the fact it was the right play.

Running in that situation is one of the least risky plays possible - you're putting the rock directly in the hands of someone well used to doing exactly that play 20-30 times a game. The percentage chance of a recovered fumble in that situation is very low.

One first down and it was game over, indeed I know few coaches would wouldn't have done any differently or have done any differently when presented with a similar situation. The default play is run it for the first three plays in that position, hopefully gaining a first down and if not gaining a few yards for the resultant punt or FG attempt. Just because Hill made a f**k up you can't call it a bad play-call. That's the height of 20:20 wisdom after the fact.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 08:22:02 PM
Wilson not getting a sniff and then a misplaced snap and the game changes totally. Hoping for Viking win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2016, 09:02:44 PM
27 yds, seriously?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 10, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Incredible. That was Billy Cundiff-esque.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 10, 2016, 09:04:14 PM
Brutal way to lose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 10, 2016, 09:05:39 PM
thats shocking from the Vikings kicker, missing from 25 yards, downright awful
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 10, 2016, 09:10:13 PM
This shite about putting it on the holder because of the laces is ridiculous. Yes, it should have been better but that's no excuse from that distance. Fluffed it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bridgegael on January 10, 2016, 09:12:13 PM
Kick heard around the world
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bennydorano on January 10, 2016, 09:17:08 PM
Ray Finkelstein?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2016, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 10, 2016, 09:10:13 PM
This shite about putting it on the holder because of the laces is ridiculous. Yes, it should have been better but that's no excuse from that distance. Fluffed it.

Apparently kicking the laces affects distance, not direction. It was just a good old fashioned choke.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 10, 2016, 09:39:35 PM
Was following the game at work here and annoyingly had to do something with 1.30 left to go.

I had to refresh my phone 3 times before I realized it ended 10-9. Was expecting to come out to, maybe not a Viking win, but not that. Not a missed FG.

F**kin hell.  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 10, 2016, 10:25:49 PM
Aaron Rodgers stinking the place up here 1/8 so far Green Bay look all over the place on offense!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 07:17:56 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 10, 2016, 05:35:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
Running the ball was the right call.

Evidently.

Terrible execution doesn't change the fact it was the right play.

Running in that situation is one of the least risky plays possible - you're putting the rock directly in the hands of someone well used to doing exactly that play 20-30 times a game. The percentage chance of a recovered fumble in that situation is very low.

One first down and it was game over, indeed I know few coaches would wouldn't have done any differently or have done any differently when presented with a similar situation. The default play is run it for the first three plays in that position, hopefully gaining a first down and if not gaining a few yards for the resultant punt or FG attempt. Just because Hill made a f**k up you can't call it a bad play-call. That's the height of 20:20 wisdom after the fact.
I was flinching as soon as I saw Hill was running the ball into Steeler traffic(I had money on the Bengals) and thought something along the lines of "sssshhhhhhiiiiiiittttt". I don't think I'm just being wise after the event here. Hill had 5 fumbles last season and 3 this season before last night. Also Lewis has to know his player....... Is Hill the kind of guy who will wrap his 2 arms tight around the ball and guard it at all costs or will he be a bonehead and run with one hand on the ball into traffic?

Also as fox said, after Ben's injury, there was little threat from the Steelers offence and the field goal would have put them safe. Or to put it another way, imo the likelihood of the Steelers going down the field for a TD with a minute left and no time-outs was less than the likelihood of a turnover if you run the ball 3 times against a defence that's looking for a strip.

Even if the Bengals had missed the field goal, the Steelers would still need to go 45-50 yards in a minute with no timeouts. It's possible but I think kneeling down and kicking the field goal would have been the percentage play if (as Johnny Giles might say) you took the game on its own merits. If Ben hadn't been injured, then yeah, you probably run the ball and look for that first down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 10, 2016, 11:15:47 PM
This was to be expected from Walsh. He has the habit of missing extra points as well. The Seahawks are lucky to escape with a win today. :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2016, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 10, 2016, 10:25:49 PM
Aaron Rodgers stinking the place up here 1/8 so far Green Bay look all over the place on offense!

Not so much now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 10, 2016, 11:21:18 PM
Some turn around
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 10, 2016, 11:27:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 10, 2016, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 10, 2016, 10:25:49 PM
Aaron Rodgers stinking the place up here 1/8 so far Green Bay look all over the place on offense!

Not so much now

Yeah scratch that... Seems to be the theme today Wilson struggled to get to grips with the Vikings defense but when he did it was lights out. Redskins need a score quickly I think to steady the ship.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 10, 2016, 11:57:59 PM
Great to see Pac Man lose like this.

Earlier in season he pulled Amari Coopers helmet off and then proceeded to slam his head into it.

Karma for a cheap shot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 11, 2016, 11:34:26 PM
Two hours till the National Championship in Phoenix

Hopefully Clemson can pull this off.

Clemson 26  Bama 24
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2016, 11:39:08 PM
Can't see Clemson scoring 26 on that defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2016, 04:31:20 AM
Well they've scored 24 with 10 minutes to go in the 4th.

Great game so far.


Onside kick  :o

Holy shit - the Tide go ahead on busted coverage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2016, 04:47:54 AM
Wow wow wow wow wow - 94 yard kickoff return TD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 12, 2016, 05:11:58 AM
Touchdown my arse. "Theres the spin.." Nope ball didnt cross. There was no TD.

Holy crap. Why can they not find officials?

Bama have been great but thats nonsense

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 12, 2016, 05:21:17 AM
Which TD? The last Bama one?

Pretty obvious that  Henry broke the plane when he spun.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 12, 2016, 05:22:57 AM
Wise up FFS! The ball clearly broke the goal line... :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 12, 2016, 05:55:08 AM
First up- Bama were good value for the win, well managed through the game, though Clemson should be kicking themselves as they had a great shot, but for the runback and the onside recovery bad mistakes on their behalf. And 2 TDs they gave up were blown coverage. Fatal errors at this level

on the other hand, I don't believe Henry broke the line on the last td (and why did it take 20 seconds for the on the field ruling to come?) I do not believe the evidence was incontrovertible the other way, and take another look at the pylon cam shot from the previous TD. It looked to me (and a couple of Obama fans in the room) as if his left hand is down OB before he touched the pylon with the ball in his right (pause it and see!). the Roll tide crew say it wouldn't matter 'Bama would have made the next play both times and I tend to agree. Clemson fans maybe not so much...

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2016, 09:05:52 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 12, 2016, 05:55:08 AM
First up- Bama were good value for the win, well managed through the game, though Clemson should be kicking themselves as they had a great shot, but for the runback and the onside recovery bad mistakes on their behalf. And 2 TDs they gave up were blown coverage. Fatal errors at this level

on the other hand, I don't believe Henry broke the line on the last td (and why did it take 20 seconds for the on the field ruling to come?) I do not believe the evidence was incontrovertible the other way, and take another look at the pylon cam shot from the previous TD. It looked to me (and a couple of Obama fans in the room) as if his left hand is down OB before he touched the pylon with the ball in his right (pause it and see!). the Roll tide crew say it wouldn't matter 'Bama would have made the next play both times and I tend to agree. Clemson fans maybe not so much...

Henry clearly broke the pane. It's not even in question. Referees are slow making the calls because they're petrified to make a wrong call in that situation.

Bama win as I expected but I didn't expect Clemson to get 40 on them. Should sicken the SEC haters. Five of the last seven national titles have went to the state of Alabama and it could so easily have been six.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2016, 09:14:33 AM
Fair play Alabama. And the SEC went 9-2 in bowl games I think!

Syf... 5 of the last 7 to the state of Alabama? Talk about reflected glory 😃  I believe the count in that time is 4-1. 😃 auburn have 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 12, 2016, 10:20:54 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2016, 09:14:33 AM
Fair play Alabama. And the SEC went 9-2 in bowl games I think!

Syf... 5 of the last 7 to the state of Alabama? Talk about reflected glory 😃  I believe the count in that time is 4-1. 😃 auburn have 1.

Auburn had 1 over the previous century of play too. Lots of schools would kill to have won one and lost another the past five years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2016, 11:09:36 AM
I know. Auburn's one stands on its own. Saying there were 5 in the 'state of Alabama' is a bit rich when Alabama won 4 of them is all I'm saying. It's like saying Offaly and Kerry have 40 Senior All Ireland Football titles between them :)

Fair play to the SEC though. They proved me wrong this year. I know a lot of people don't place a lot of stock in the bowl games, but I do, especially the bigger bowls, and the SEC had a great bowl season.

Alabama are a machine. Saban is unreal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on January 13, 2016, 02:28:22 AM
Rams and probably Chargers moving to LA

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14558668/st-louis-rams-relocate-los-angeles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2016, 04:30:36 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2016, 11:09:36 AM
I know. Auburn's one stands on its own. Saying there were 5 in the 'state of Alabama' is a bit rich when Alabama won 4 of them is all I'm saying. It's like saying Offaly and Kerry have 40 Senior All Ireland Football titles between them :)

Fair play to the SEC though. They proved me wrong this year. I know a lot of people don't place a lot of stock in the bowl games, but I do, especially the bigger bowls, and the SEC had a great bowl season.

Alabama are a machine. Saban is unreal.

Big difference is there's only two majors in Alabama, you're either War Eagle or Tide and it's everywhere, major department stores have an Auburn and Alabama section with season schedules. It's like a pressure cooker when it's just the two of them. Alabama being the best program in the history of college football forces Auburn to keep up or die. I'd go as far as to say Auburn wouldn't have been so good recently if not for having to keep up with the pace Saban is setting.

Who would could have imagined that Bear Bryant (universally regarded as the greatest college coach of all-time) would meet his match in another Tide coach? Saban's five titles have been harder to get than Bryant's six and I doubt if Saban won't win another before he's done. Eleven undisputed national titles and another five claimed, that is some legacy for one school to have.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2016, 05:49:55 AM
Rams in LA 2016, Chargers back down the road to try and sort something out with the city. Definitely not a good result for the Chargers owners ( Spanos) . They have lost leverage with this decision...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2016, 09:56:49 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 13, 2016, 04:30:36 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 12, 2016, 11:09:36 AM
I know. Auburn's one stands on its own. Saying there were 5 in the 'state of Alabama' is a bit rich when Alabama won 4 of them is all I'm saying. It's like saying Offaly and Kerry have 40 Senior All Ireland Football titles between them :)

Fair play to the SEC though. They proved me wrong this year. I know a lot of people don't place a lot of stock in the bowl games, but I do, especially the bigger bowls, and the SEC had a great bowl season.

Alabama are a machine. Saban is unreal.

Big difference is there's only two majors in Alabama, you're either War Eagle or Tide and it's everywhere, major department stores have an Auburn and Alabama section with season schedules. It's like a pressure cooker when it's just the two of them. Alabama being the best program in the history of college football forces Auburn to keep up or die. I'd go as far as to say Auburn wouldn't have been so good recently if not for having to keep up with the pace Saban is setting.

Who would could have imagined that Bear Bryant (universally regarded as the greatest college coach of all-time) would meet his match in another Tide coach? Saban's five titles have been harder to get than Bryant's six and I doubt if Saban won't win another before he's done. Eleven undisputed national titles and another five claimed, that is some legacy for one school to have.

Don't disagree with any of that to be fair. I'm only slagging the '5 out of 7 for the state of Alabama', when 4 of them were Alabama itself. But I know where you are coming from. It's a nice aspect of College Sports, that you don't need to be an NFL big 'market' to support rabid College Football Fans. Quite a few of the College Hotspots, especially in the south, are NFL black zones. Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas. Even in Louisiana and Tennessee, I'd say the Bayou Bengals and Vols respectively are bigger brands than the Saints and Titans. (The Saints one maybe a close one to call).

And yeah, what Alabama has done, with 16 titles, is unreal, particularly, as you say, in recent years. And to be fair there isn't a whiff around the Alabama program either. Saban seems to run a tight ship. He resurrected Florida, Won a championship at LSU, and now has revitalised Alabama into being the best program in the country by a mile.

What is your ties to Alabama, and Auburn, by the way. I can tell you are a big SEC and Auburn fan. Did you live in 'Bama?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2016, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2016, 05:49:55 AM
Rams in LA 2016, Chargers back down the road to try and sort something out with the city. Definitely not a good result for the Chargers owners ( Spanos) . They have lost leverage with this decision...

Ouch. Talk about going back to somewhere where you said you didn't want to be. How are they going to sell that to the fans they wanted to leave behind?

And the Rams back in LA? Blast from the past. I met Eric Dickerson at the High School game in Dublin in 2014, he was some legend. It'll be nostalgic to see them back in LA, but it's a sickener for the Saint Louis fans. They won a Superbowl in Saint Louis. They've lost the Cardinals and the Rams in 30 years. Such is the franchise nature of American Sports, and a reason why pro sport in the states never truly gets into the blood in a lot of cities in the way the college sports do. I know a lot of teams are embedded, like the Packers, Patriots, Niners, Cowboys etc, but these moves, and what happened in Cleveland, Baltimore, Houston, Oakland/LA just makes it hard for fans to have a sense of permanency with their team. There's always some sort of news angle about stadiums, revenue, concessions etc.

Speaking of the Raiders, where do they slot into this? Only one team moving to LA?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 13, 2016, 11:21:42 AM
Just finished watching the wildcard games.  Exciting matches bar the kc cakewalk but the rest of the post season is going to be hard watching for the vikings and bengals.  No sympathy for cinncinati, the late hit on brown was the act of a sc**bag and he deserves all he gets.

Viking kicker on the other hand I feel sorry for. Shows what pressure can do.   Looks like Seattle's name is on the trophy this year.     Botched snap turns into a td and a kicker misses a chip shot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 13, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2016, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2016, 05:49:55 AM
Rams in LA 2016, Chargers back down the road to try and sort something out with the city. Definitely not a good result for the Chargers owners ( Spanos) . They have lost leverage with this decision...

Ouch. Talk about going back to somewhere where you said you didn't want to be. How are they going to sell that to the fans they wanted to leave behind?

And the Rams back in LA? Blast from the past. I met Eric Dickerson at the High School game in Dublin in 2014, he was some legend. It'll be nostalgic to see them back in LA, but it's a sickener for the Saint Louis fans. They won a Superbowl in Saint Louis. They've lost the Cardinals and the Rams in 30 years. Such is the franchise nature of American Sports, and a reason why pro sport in the states never truly gets into the blood in a lot of cities in the way the college sports do. I know a lot of teams are embedded, like the Packers, Patriots, Niners, Cowboys etc, but these moves, and what happened in Cleveland, Baltimore, Houston, Oakland/LA just makes it hard for fans to have a sense of permanency with their team. There's always some sort of news angle about stadiums, revenue, concessions etc.

Speaking of the Raiders, where do they slot into this? Only one team moving to LA?

I think even the Niners move to Santa Clara affected the connection some fans have with the team. The seat licensing debacle at their new stadium (and swathes of empty seats) is evidence of that.

That said I'm happy to see the Rams back in LA. The Niners - Rams rivalry was never the same once they left. Hopefully we can go full redux on the 80's by going back to beating them twice a year.   :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2016, 09:13:09 PM
I read the report on nfl.com. Looks like the Chargers will still be moving.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 13, 2016, 11:17:48 PM
Browns hire Hue Jackson as Head Coach, so I bet it's Sayonara for Johnny Football.  Is Jerry Jones still interested in him, I wonder, after JM's recentVegas antics?  Even LeBron James's company has ditched him as a client.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 13, 2016, 11:17:48 PM
Browns hire Hue Jackson as Head Coach, so I bet it's Sayonara for Johnny Football.  Is Jerry Jones still interested in him, I wonder, after JM's recentVegas antics?  Even LeBron James's company has ditched him as a client.

I think it's a good hire for the Browns, not often they get their first choice either. Interesting to see if he takes a QB with #2 pick in the draft.

Lawrence Phillips dead I see, was looking at the death penalty in jail.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2016, 11:44:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 13, 2016, 11:17:48 PM
Browns hire Hue Jackson as Head Coach, so I bet it's Sayonara for Johnny Football.  Is Jerry Jones still interested in him, I wonder, after JM's recentVegas antics?  Even LeBron James's company has ditched him as a client.

I think it's a good hire for the Browns, not often they get their first choice either. Interesting to see if he takes a QB with #2 pick in the draft.

Lawrence Phillips dead I see, was looking at the death penalty in jail.

He wouldn't be their first choice if their franchise wasn't an open air tyre fire. The big ticket guys were never going near Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 14, 2016, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2016, 05:49:55 AM
Rams in LA 2016, Chargers back down the road to try and sort something out with the city. Definitely not a good result for the Chargers owners ( Spanos) . They have lost leverage with this decision...

American sports is an utter disgrace with this franchise shite. This is the second time in 20 years that St Louis has had a team taken away from them. And its a story that has been repeated again and again all over the country. You can still buy Brooklyn Dodgers hats in loads of sports shops in NYC, nearly 60 years after they left.

If the NFL is so desperate for their new stadium and media centre and all the rest that is being discussed, why didn't they just start another team?

If I was a Rams fan, I would boycott the NFL. Don't buy any gear, don't watch any games, f**k the bastards!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 14, 2016, 06:56:46 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2016, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2016, 05:49:55 AM
Rams in LA 2016, Chargers back down the road to try and sort something out with the city. Definitely not a good result for the Chargers owners ( Spanos) . They have lost leverage with this decision...


Speaking of the Raiders, where do they slot into this? Only one team moving to LA?

IMHO the Raiders were shafted. Lease is up in the O.co, they didn't get the relocation fee waived for somewhere else, they didn't get a big package to help with a new stadium and they have to wait until the Chargers decide if they want LA before it's an option for the Raiders.

City of Oakland have offered little incentive to keep them and help with new stadium.

Davis has land in San Antonio but given Jones led the move against them going to LA it's prob unlikely he would want them moving to Texas

Davis was less than committed to Oakland when nyerviewed after the vote so at a guess I would say....another year in the O.co with a potential merry go round starting in St Louis or San Diego.

Surprised London hasn't been mentioned by many yet...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2016, 10:06:11 AM
I agree that the Raiders have been utterly shafted here. The Rams are building exactly where Al Davis was stopped going to years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 14, 2016, 10:14:23 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 13, 2016, 11:17:48 PM
Browns hire Hue Jackson as Head Coach, so I bet it's Sayonara for Johnny Football.  Is Jerry Jones still interested in him, I wonder, after JM's recentVegas antics?  Even LeBron James's company has ditched him as a client.

I think it's a good hire for the Browns, not often they get their first choice either. Interesting to see if he takes a QB with #2 pick in the draft.

Lawrence Phillips dead I see, was looking at the death penalty in jail.

I think this is a great hire by the Browns. One of the better offensive coaches out there imo. It's who i wanted to see at the Niners.
It goes to show how little influence the Niners have these days that the Browns are a more attractive prospect for coaches. (apologies to Browns' fans)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2016, 11:29:54 AM
Chip Kelly for the Niners?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 14, 2016, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2016, 11:29:54 AM
Chip Kelly for the Niners?

Although he flamed out badly in Philly, I don't think he would be a bad hiring for the Niners. His problems in Philly seemed to stem from his personnel and contract decisions, which he wouldn't have much say over with SF. And if any offence is to get something out of Kaepernick then it would probably be something like Kelly's (see how good in retrospect he made Foles looks).

Shanahan Snr is the other name that is being touted. Seems like a safe pair of hands for a rebuilding project - which is what the Niners are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 14, 2016, 02:50:00 PM
Coughlin to the Eagles. Interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2016, 05:55:58 PM
Quote from: Declan on January 14, 2016, 02:50:00 PM
Coughlin to the Eagles. Interesting

Not anymore

QuoteAdam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter  2m
Tom Coughlin is withdrawing his name from consideration for Eagles HC job, per sources. Not the right fit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2016, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2016, 11:29:54 AM
Chip Kelly for the Niners?

Confirmed now

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000622478/article/niners-hire-chip-kelly-as-head-coach?campaign=tw-nf-sf18864258-sf18864258
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 14, 2016, 08:28:20 PM
Ben McAdoo is the new Giants HC

http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Ben-McAdoo-named-New-York-Giants-head-coach/23ea0560-7b3b-4130-8f61-8d325af95bef
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 16, 2016, 09:45:51 PM
whats the feeling this weekend? Kansas are on some run but NE in foxborugh are formidable, i wish i knew edelman was back before i took kansas +4.5.

going NE by 1-2 AZ by 2-5 panthers by 6-10 and Denver by 3-7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omaghjoe on January 16, 2016, 09:55:04 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 14, 2016, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2016, 05:49:55 AM
Rams in LA 2016, Chargers back down the road to try and sort something out with the city. Definitely not a good result for the Chargers owners ( Spanos) . They have lost leverage with this decision...

American sports is an utter disgrace with this franchise shite. This is the second time in 20 years that St Louis has had a team taken away from them. And its a story that has been repeated again and again all over the country. You can still buy Brooklyn Dodgers hats in loads of sports shops in NYC, nearly 60 years after they left.

If the NFL is so desperate for their new stadium and media centre and all the rest that is being discussed, why didn't they just start another team?

If I was a Rams fan, I would boycott the NFL. Don't buy any gear, don't watch any games, f**k the b**tards!

To make things happen in America its always about how much money can be made, 99% of the time.

I have little time for American sports for the above reason and apart from basketball are completely crap anyway, but I couldn't avoid the media frenzy over this carryon this past while, well hopefully some good becomes on it and it brightens up Inglewood.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 16, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
NFL and college football are absolutely fantastic tv sports.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2016, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 16, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
NFL and college football are absolutely fantastic tv sports.

In your opinion ffs. He's entitled to his.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 16, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
He didn't say he wasn't, NFL when understood is a fantastic game to follow. Epic finishes and so many up down role reversals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2016, 11:35:55 PM
Brady giving an exhibition Smith has a huge job on his hands. Niall Davis' fumble was a game changer!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 16, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
pats playing well, but KC still in it. Nice drive there for the TD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 16, 2016, 11:59:02 PM
Sick fumble for KC 7 points off it, huge drive there from Smith, why oh why did we bench him, great finish coming up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 12:05:30 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 16, 2016, 11:59:02 PM
Sick fumble for KC 7 points off it, huge drive there from Smith, why oh why did we bench him, great finish coming up

There was no reason to, I said it at the time.

You can't argue with the numbers, Smith doesn't make many mistakes, now he isn't Joe Montana by there aren't many of those about. You can have all the athleticism in the world but at some stage you have to be able to stand in the pocket and deliver a strike.

Kaepernick has never been able to do it consistently. NFL defenses & D co-ordinators won't be long clamping down on a running QB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 12:38:46 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 16, 2016, 11:30:23 PM
He didn't say he wasn't, NFL when understood is a fantastic game to follow. Epic finishes and so many up down role reversals.

The absolutism of the post would suggest that any differing opinion should be disregarded.

I watch a lot of NFL, and enjoy it. However, like all American sports, it's too much of a slave to TV. A long play clock, time outs, two minute warnings etc are all none too easy on the eye because of the lengthy breaks in play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 01:04:41 AM
Some shocking clock management by KC but Christ that final first down was jammy! Couple of inches the other way and it was a pick 6!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 17, 2016, 01:17:22 AM
Sick one when u have KC +5, I do agree that the game is totally TV centric but it how I was introduced to the game. What pisses me off is the fact is that with 1 full minute + 10 odd secs left the commentator was able to say game over one edelman caught the tipped ball. This is a travesty considering the opposition only needs one play. I think everyplay under 2 mins shud have if not a stop on the clock a 5-10 second stop.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 01:19:44 AM
What the hell is wrong with Andy Reid and clock management? How many years is it gonna take him to catch on ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 17, 2016, 03:43:13 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2016, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 16, 2016, 10:55:41 PM
NFL and college football are absolutely fantastic tv sports.

In your opinion ffs. He's entitled to his.

As opposed to me? 'Ffs' is right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2016, 04:33:36 AM
Holy shit!! What a play just phenomenal!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 17, 2016, 04:36:39 AM
what a game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 17, 2016, 04:39:55 AM
One word. Wow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 17, 2016, 04:42:46 AM
Completely  insane

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 17, 2016, 04:44:27 AM
Holy shit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 17, 2016, 05:20:59 AM
Great new NFL book out from GB. A beginners guide to missing tackles in OT...

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 17, 2016, 09:20:47 AM
Amazed GB kept the Cards in check to go to OT. Heartbreak playoff losses starting to be their thing unfortunately.

AR over Brady all day long....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 09:31:18 AM
 Holy. f**k. Cardiac Cards is right. They were woeful. Beaten all ends up on both lines for 80% of the game, and a QB who nearly shat himself trying to get his first ever playoff win. They were poxed lucky, and I think there were a few calls where the packers were shafted. Carson is a lucky boy, but Larry Fitz is an absolute legend. He decided the Cardinals just were not going to lose that.

Huge improvement needed, and they'll be underdogs regardless now, but Palmer might be a bit looser the next day. The line play is a worry though, this is big boy stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
I wonder did a 2pt conversion go through McCarthys mind after the Hail Mary
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 10:39:02 AM
Might well have got it. The Cards had to be stunned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2016, 10:42:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 10:39:02 AM
Might well have got it. The Cards had to be stunned.

It's all great in hindsight but I thought 2 points was the call. Momentum with GB and AZ bewildered ut was the time to really drive the advantage home.

What the GB defense were doing in OT I really don't know.

Someone was saying Rogers over Brady?? Brady isn't spectacular but he's great at what he does Id have him all day long over anyone!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 17, 2016, 11:10:22 AM
Have to agree. Once again supremely impressed with Rodgers last night who is simply brilliant. Brady wouldn't have made the plays Rodgers did on that last drive but the way he plays he likely wouldn't have had to as he would have found a more efficient way to get his team down the field.

If I was looking a franchise QB now I'd take Rodgers but if both were in their prime I'd take Brady
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
For a franchise QB I might take Cam, Wilson or Luck ahead of either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
For a franchise QB I might take Cam, Wilson or Luck ahead of either.

Be interesting to see how Luck rebounds next year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
For a franchise QB I might take Cam, Wilson or Luck ahead of either.

Be interesting to see how Luck rebounds next year

Yup, the Colts have a lot of work to do rebuilding the side. They were supposed to be all in this year and considering there were some sparks out of Jacksonville and Tennessee when Mariota was fit this year, the AFC South mightn't be just as much of a gimme.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 04:22:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 02:41:13 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
For a franchise QB I might take Cam, Wilson or Luck ahead of either.

Be interesting to see how Luck rebounds next year

Yup, the Colts have a lot of work to do rebuilding the side. They were supposed to be all in this year and considering there were some sparks out of Jacksonville and Tennessee when Mariota was fit this year, the AFC South mightn't be just as much of a gimme.

Like a lot of teams they went all in on free agents that had very little left in the tank - Gore & Johnson.

Luck wasn't playing well even before he got injured, he was on pace for well over 20 interceptions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 17, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 17, 2016, 11:10:22 AM
Have to agree. Once again supremely impressed with Rodgers last night who is simply brilliant. Brady wouldn't have made the plays Rodgers did on that last drive but the way he plays he likely wouldn't have had to as he would have found a more efficient way to get his team down the field.

If I was looking a franchise QB now I'd take Rodgers but if both were in their prime I'd take Brady

Brady is undoubtedly a great but has had the benefit of the best HC in the NFL building a team and playbook around him for years. AR has more pure talent balanced against Brady's almost scary intensity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2016, 06:23:25 PM
Panthers well up for it tonight!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 07:22:31 PM
I dislike Pete Carroll, the Legion of Boom and the twelfth man nonsense, so I'm happy to see this. I wonder will Sherman pull his pants down tonight?

That said, as a Cardinals fan, this is very, very scary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 07:37:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2016, 07:22:31 PM
I dislike Pete Carroll, the Legion of Boom and the twelfth man nonsense, so I'm happy to see this. I wonder will Sherman pull his pants down tonight?

That said, as a Cardinals fan, this is very, very scary.

Yeah glad to see it too, can't stand the Seahawks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 08:19:30 PM
Getting interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 17, 2016, 08:39:33 PM
If Wilson could throw like an elite QB this would be VERY interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
Jesus. That was the 2pt conversion against the Packers from last year all over again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 08:48:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
Jesus. That was the 2pt conversion against the Packers from last year all over again.

Yeah Norman replacing Ha Ha Clinton Dix
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 17, 2016, 09:11:59 PM
False start from a receiver, delay of game and an illegal formation when desperately chasing the game. That's appalling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 17, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Been a fantastic weekend's entertainment so far. Would love to see Peyton back to something like his old self tonight(unlikely, I know). It would be one of the great sporting fairytales if he could lead Denver to the title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 17, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Been a fantastic weekend's entertainment so far. Would love to see Peyton back to something like his old self tonight(unlikely, I know). It would be one of the great sporting fairytales if he could lead Denver to the title.

I just don't think they can win it with him at QB, his arm strength has gone and every D he faces knows it. Mind you the Denver D can give you a chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 17, 2016, 10:51:17 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:49:51 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 17, 2016, 09:38:59 PM
Been a fantastic weekend's entertainment so far. Would love to see Peyton back to something like his old self tonight(unlikely, I know). It would be one of the great sporting fairytales if he could lead Denver to the title.

I just don't think they can win it with him at QB, his arm strength has gone and every D he faces knows it. Mind you the Denver D can give you a chance

Looking decent so far but being let down by some bad drops.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 18, 2016, 01:04:54 AM
Broncos Patriots next week will be great in theory. Other game will be great to watch. Carolina surely ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 18, 2016, 02:00:42 AM
Last chapter of the Brady-Manning rivalry. No way Manning is back next year.

How many players have won a national title in college, the Heisman, the NFL MVP and a Super Bowl? Cam's two games away from one of the most enviable achievements in American football history. Hopefully the Panters can go all the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 18, 2016, 03:08:05 AM
Enviable achievement? In whose eyes? I listen to sports talk radio EVERY day of my life here. Not ONCE have I ever heard that mentioned?. Cam Newton has had a great season. He has also been dung for large parts of his NFL career. You sir, are unbelievable...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 18, 2016, 04:34:34 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 18, 2016, 03:08:05 AM
Enviable achievement? In whose eyes? I listen to sports talk radio EVERY day of my life here. Not ONCE have I ever heard that mentioned?. Cam Newton has had a great season. He has also been dung for large parts of his NFL career. You sir, are unbelievable...

https://twitter.com/JohnHayesESPN/status/688882315947302912

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/01/will_cam_newton_join_nfl_mvp_w.html#7

That's just within the last four hours, by the way. Google is your friend.

If you don't think those four are the big four brass rings in american football you're only kidding yourself. Very few win one of them let alone all four.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 09:17:15 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2016, 02:00:42 AM
Last chapter of the Brady-Manning rivalry. No way Manning is back next year.

How many players have won a national title in college, the Heisman, the NFL MVP and a Super Bowl? Cam's two games away from one of the most enviable achievements in American football history. Hopefully the Panters can go all the way.

Hopefully they can't!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 18, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 18, 2016, 04:34:34 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 18, 2016, 03:08:05 AM
Enviable achievement? In whose eyes? I listen to sports talk radio EVERY day of my life here. Not ONCE have I ever heard that mentioned?. Cam Newton has had a great season. He has also been dung for large parts of his NFL career. You sir, are unbelievable...

https://twitter.com/JohnHayesESPN/status/688882315947302912

"Has a QB ever won the Heisman, National Championship, NFL MVP & Super Bowl? If not, Cam Newton has a chance to be the most decorated QB ever"

Slightly selective interpretation of "most decorated" there. Given that the two of them are among the four QBs still standing, you'd struggle to name anyone who thinks Cam would be more decorated than Manning or Brady if he wins the Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 18, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
I wonder did a 2pt conversion go through McCarthys mind after the Hail Mary

No, he is a useless play caller, he is spineless and cannot make the big decision, he should be gone or moved into an executive position, he won a Superbowl with the most talented Packer team in decades, so he probably deserves a spot on the board or something!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:34:30 PM
Quote from: stew on January 18, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
I wonder did a 2pt conversion go through McCarthys mind after the Hail Mary

No, he is a useless play caller, he is spineless and cannot make the big decision, he should be gone or moved into an executive position, he won a Superbowl with the most talented Packer team in decades, so he probably deserves a spot on the board or something!

ah that's harsh. I wouldn't say it was a useless, spineless play call. All things considered it was surely the right decision. It crossed my mind because the Cardinals must have been reeling, but in fairness he couldn't have expected the drama in OT to happen. I mean the Packers had Palmer dead to rights, and somehow the DBs left a hall of famer wide open and Palmer threw a pass that most coaches would automatically execute the QB for. It just worked.

I think the Packers were unlucky on Saturday, and were the better team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
I thought the Packers only got back on an even keel when McCarthy started calling the plays again? Who was calling them earlier in the season? Anyway, thank f**k they're out. You'd swear no other teams got injuries.

No offense intended AZ but I really hope Carolina do it. For many reasons but also I would love to see Peanut Tilman get a ring (he would get one wouldn't he even though he tore his ACL in week 17???), he fully deserves one. Keeps coming back after injuries, great player.

Brady is just ridiculous. Must be in the conversation for GOAT. Interesting that he broke the record for 300 yard playoff games previously held by that known playoff dud Peyton Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
I thought the Packers only got back on an even keel when McCarthy started calling the plays again? Who was calling them earlier in the season? Anyway, thank f**k they're out. You'd swear no other teams got injuries.

No offense intended AZ but I really hope Carolina do it. For many reasons but also I would love to see Peanut Tilman get a ring (he would get one wouldn't he even though he tore his ACL in week 17???), he fully deserves one. Keeps coming back after injuries, great player.

Brady is just ridiculous. Must be in the conversation for GOAT. Interesting that he broke the record for 300 yard playoff games previously held by that known playoff dud Peyton Manning.

No offense taken. Obviously I really hope they don't, at least this weekend coming.

As for Brady, he is the greatest I think, at this stage. I've always been a Montana man, but Brady is just a machine. Manning was fine in the playoffs when he was playing in his own dome in Indy :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 18, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:34:30 PM
Quote from: stew on January 18, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
I wonder did a 2pt conversion go through McCarthys mind after the Hail Mary

No, he is a useless play caller, he is spineless and cannot make the big decision, he should be gone or moved into an executive position, he won a Superbowl with the most talented Packer team in decades, so he probably deserves a spot on the board or something!

ah that's harsh. I wouldn't say it was a useless, spineless play call. All things considered it was surely the right decision. It crossed my mind because the Cardinals must have been reeling, but in fairness he couldn't have expected the drama in OT to happen. I mean the Packers had Palmer dead to rights, and somehow the DBs left a hall of famer wide open and Palmer threw a pass that most coaches would automatically execute the QB for. It just worked.

I think the Packers were unlucky on Saturday, and were the better team.

I am not talking about one play, I am talking about last year and days like that were he has the game won if he has any imagination, he tends to run the ball three times and does not have the balls to try and seal the deal, this is over his whole body of work, a lot of people want him gone, he is simply weak in the heart, I really would love to see him coach the Vikings or Bears, he is one of the worst play callers in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
I thought the Packers only got back on an even keel when McCarthy started calling the plays again? Who was calling them earlier in the season? Anyway, thank f**k they're out. You'd swear no other teams got injuries.

No offense intended AZ but I really hope Carolina do it. For many reasons but also I would love to see Peanut Tilman get a ring (he would get one wouldn't he even though he tore his ACL in week 17???), he fully deserves one. Keeps coming back after injuries, great player.

Brady is just ridiculous. Must be in the conversation for GOAT. Interesting that he broke the record for 300 yard playoff games previously held by that known playoff dud Peyton Manning.

No offense taken. Obviously I really hope they don't, at least this weekend coming.

As for Brady, he is the greatest I think, at this stage. I've always been a Montana man, but Brady is just a machine. Manning was fine in the playoffs when he was playing in his own dome in Indy :)

NFL should not be played indoor.

Peyton is tough to watch at the moment. He looks so awkward (though slightly less than earlier this season) and by Christ he throws some weird looking balls. That said the succession of drops by his receivers were unforgivable. They were lucky to get away with it last night, they won't have the same luxury against the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: stew on January 18, 2016, 02:59:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:34:30 PM
Quote from: stew on January 18, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2016, 09:48:23 AM
I wonder did a 2pt conversion go through McCarthys mind after the Hail Mary

No, he is a useless play caller, he is spineless and cannot make the big decision, he should be gone or moved into an executive position, he won a Superbowl with the most talented Packer team in decades, so he probably deserves a spot on the board or something!

ah that's harsh. I wouldn't say it was a useless, spineless play call. All things considered it was surely the right decision. It crossed my mind because the Cardinals must have been reeling, but in fairness he couldn't have expected the drama in OT to happen. I mean the Packers had Palmer dead to rights, and somehow the DBs left a hall of famer wide open and Palmer threw a pass that most coaches would automatically execute the QB for. It just worked.

I think the Packers were unlucky on Saturday, and were the better team.

I am not talking about one play, I am talking about last year and days like that were he has the game won if he has any imagination, he tends to run the ball three times and does not have the balls to try and seal the deal, this is over his whole body of work, a lot of people want him gone, he is simply weak in the heart, I really would love to see him coach the Vikings or Bears, he is one of the worst play callers in the league.

Fair enough, but I don't agree with you. I think he has his game 'management' issues, like Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin, but I think he does a good job on calling plays for Rodgers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
Can anyone answer my question? Who was calling the plays for the Packers before it went back to McCarthy late in the season? Whoever it was was doing a worse job obviously.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:05:59 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
I thought the Packers only got back on an even keel when McCarthy started calling the plays again? Who was calling them earlier in the season? Anyway, thank f**k they're out. You'd swear no other teams got injuries.

No offense intended AZ but I really hope Carolina do it. For many reasons but also I would love to see Peanut Tilman get a ring (he would get one wouldn't he even though he tore his ACL in week 17???), he fully deserves one. Keeps coming back after injuries, great player.

Brady is just ridiculous. Must be in the conversation for GOAT. Interesting that he broke the record for 300 yard playoff games previously held by that known playoff dud Peyton Manning.

No offense taken. Obviously I really hope they don't, at least this weekend coming.

As for Brady, he is the greatest I think, at this stage. I've always been a Montana man, but Brady is just a machine. Manning was fine in the playoffs when he was playing in his own dome in Indy :)

NFL should not be played indoor.

Peyton is tough to watch at the moment. He looks so awkward (though slightly less than earlier this season) and by Christ he throws some weird looking balls. That said the succession of drops by his receivers were unforgivable. They were lucky to get away with it last night, they won't have the same luxury against the Patriots.

The Patriots made a very un-Patriot error in losing to the Dolphins. That's the only thing that might make this game dodgy.  If the Broncos had to go to Foxboro I think this wouldn't even be a contest. As it is, I still think the Patriots win, but going to Denver will not be easy. Manning can barely throw the ball any more, and if he throws any medium outs, they'll be pick sixes. He can still be clever though, and he can still be accurate on the intermediate and short stuff over the middle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
Can anyone answer my question? Who was calling the plays for the Packers before it went back to McCarthy late in the season? Whoever it was was doing a worse job obviously.

He took over from the Co-ordinator. Your man Clements.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:05:59 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:02:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 02:57:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 02:50:28 PM
I thought the Packers only got back on an even keel when McCarthy started calling the plays again? Who was calling them earlier in the season? Anyway, thank f**k they're out. You'd swear no other teams got injuries.

No offense intended AZ but I really hope Carolina do it. For many reasons but also I would love to see Peanut Tilman get a ring (he would get one wouldn't he even though he tore his ACL in week 17???), he fully deserves one. Keeps coming back after injuries, great player.

Brady is just ridiculous. Must be in the conversation for GOAT. Interesting that he broke the record for 300 yard playoff games previously held by that known playoff dud Peyton Manning.

No offense taken. Obviously I really hope they don't, at least this weekend coming.

As for Brady, he is the greatest I think, at this stage. I've always been a Montana man, but Brady is just a machine. Manning was fine in the playoffs when he was playing in his own dome in Indy :)

NFL should not be played indoor.

Peyton is tough to watch at the moment. He looks so awkward (though slightly less than earlier this season) and by Christ he throws some weird looking balls. That said the succession of drops by his receivers were unforgivable. They were lucky to get away with it last night, they won't have the same luxury against the Patriots.

The Patriots made a very un-Patriot error in losing to the Dolphins. That's the only thing that might make this game dodgy.  If the Broncos had to go to Foxboro I think this wouldn't even be a contest. As it is, I still think the Patriots win, but going to Denver will not be easy. Manning can barely throw the ball any more, and if he throws any medium outs, they'll be pick sixes. He can still be clever though, and he can still be accurate on the intermediate and short stuff over the middle.

I agree entirely. I'd much prefer the Broncos to win but it's hard to see, even with their excellent defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
Can anyone answer my question? Who was calling the plays for the Packers before it went back to McCarthy late in the season? Whoever it was was doing a worse job obviously.

He took over from the Co-ordinator. Your man Clements.

Stew wants Aaron to do it. Hail Mary's every down!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
See Rodgers whining about the coin toss? :) I'm coming around to your point of view on him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:30:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
See Rodgers whining about the coin toss? :) I'm coming around to your point of view on him.

I just read it there. Pathetic. That's his MO though, he'll get something off the officials some other time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2016, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
See Rodgers whining about the coin toss? :) I'm coming around to your point of view on him.

What did he say?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
That the ref didn't give him a chance to change his call and flipped it the second time too quick. Also that "it's unfortunate it comes down to that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2016, 02:52:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 19, 2016, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
See Rodgers whining about the coin toss? :) I'm coming around to your point of view on him.

What did he say?

Yeah, what Seanie said. He called Tails, and the ref did the aborted coin flip. Rodgers started giving out that it never flipped over (It actually doesn;t have to), and the ref panicked. He flipped it again, properly, and again it came up Heads. Rodgers said he would have changed to Heads but he wasn't asked.

Imagine it came up Tails the second time? The Cardinals would have went nuts! The ref would have to toss it again :) 'Best out of Three lads, ok? '
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2016, 02:53:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
That the ref didn't give him a chance to change his call and flipped it the second time too quick. Also that "it's unfortunate it comes down to that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe)

I saw the article on the NFL website. I presume that what happened is he asked a question and answered it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2016, 02:58:58 PM
The correct answer there was, yeah, there was a bit of a mixup at the coin toss, but that's not the reason we lost the game.

It sounds pretty childish. I would have changed my pick if he gave me time. And "it came down to that".

It actually came down to the Packers leaving a hall of fame receiver wide open by 40 yards and then not tackling him.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2016, 02:58:58 PM
The correct answer there was, yeah, there was a bit of a mixup at the coin toss, but that's not the reason we lost the game.

It sounds pretty childish. I would have changed my pick if he gave me time. And "it came down to that".

It actually came down to the Packers leaving a hall of fame receiver wide open by 40 yards and then not tackling him.

And they had converted two Hail Mary's on one drive themselves (there's a clue in the name Aaron, they weren't just completed due to your complete awesomeness). It came down to that - what an ass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: deiseach on January 19, 2016, 03:24:32 PM
What a crass thing to say. Gridiron can appear like all bang-crash-wallop to the uninitiated (of which I count myself as one), so to reduce this run, which would have put Nureyev to shame, to the status of a coin flip . . . crass.

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I get the feeling television doesn't do justice to how stupendous a run that is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 19, 2016, 03:31:14 PM
I love the spin move by Palmer on the play. Barry Sanders would have been proud of that  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2016, 02:58:58 PM
The correct answer there was, yeah, there was a bit of a mixup at the coin toss, but that's not the reason we lost the game.

It sounds pretty childish. I would have changed my pick if he gave me time. And "it came down to that".

It actually came down to the Packers leaving a hall of fame receiver wide open by 40 yards and then not tackling him.

And they had converted two Hail Mary's on one drive themselves (there's a clue in the name Aaron, they weren't just completed due to your complete awesomeness). It came down to that - what an ass.

Does Rodgers get any credit wth you Seanie for those two plays ?  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 20, 2016, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 19, 2016, 03:31:14 PM
I love the spin move by Palmer on the play. Barry Sanders would have been proud of that  :D

Now there was a player.  Nfl on channel 4.   ;D One of the greatest ever and just a shame the lions never won a Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 20, 2016, 01:27:36 PM
The big change in the playoffs this year has been the number of games that have been decided by blown coverage and unforced errors. Would like to see Broncos get the win at the weekend, but if Brady stays in the whole game i think the machine himself may just be too good for them. Love him or hate him, you have to give Brady credit, he is phenomenal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 20, 2016, 01:28:52 PM
Excellent article I came across about Julian Edelman and why he is such an incredible competitor.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10270087/competition-fuels-julian-edelman-fire
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 20, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Any of you watch the Warriors dismatle the Cavs the other night?
An unbelievable performance,Curry was shooting the lights out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 20, 2016, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 20, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Any of you watch the Warriors dismatle the Cavs the other night?
An unbelievable performance,Curry was shooting the lights out.

Forget about the Warriors, the Spurs are only two games behind them and are absolutely sizzling at the minute. The two of them meet for the first time this year on Monday - should be incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 20, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
Yes, Rossa, I did watch, and the Warriors shot the lights out and made my Cavs look pretty miserable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 20, 2016, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:09:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2016, 03:07:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 18, 2016, 03:05:02 PM
Can anyone answer my question? Who was calling the plays for the Packers before it went back to McCarthy late in the season? Whoever it was was doing a worse job obviously.

He took over from the Co-ordinator. Your man Clements.

Feck off seanie, I want the Patriots OCOot take the job, best in the business.



Stew wants Aaron to do it. Hail Mary's every down!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 20, 2016, 07:55:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 20, 2016, 04:31:46 PM
Quote from: Club Rossa on January 20, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Any of you watch the Warriors dismatle the Cavs the other night?
An unbelievable performance,Curry was shooting the lights out.

Forget about the Warriors, the Spurs are only two games behind them and are absolutely sizzling at the minute. The two of them meet for the first time this year on Monday - should be incredible.

The Spurs have went under the radar big time, with the Warriors getting all the attention. Can't wait for this one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 20, 2016, 09:21:19 PM
The Bulls have The Warriors tonight and Cleveland at the weekend.Losing Noah for probably the rest of the season won't help their cause to topple the Cavs in the East.Hard to envisage anyone other than Cleveland coming out of the East.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 20, 2016, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
That the ref didn't give him a chance to change his call and flipped it the second time too quick. Also that "it's unfortunate it comes down to that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe)

To be fair to Rogers. He seems like a very smart guy and pointed out that he would have changed his call if given the opportunity solely because the ref had turned the coin over on the second flip before flipping. I wonder if he was changing his call knowing that the ref changing what was on top before the flip switched the odds as to what the result would be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 21, 2016, 09:24:40 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 20, 2016, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
That the ref didn't give him a chance to change his call and flipped it the second time too quick. Also that "it's unfortunate it comes down to that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe)

To be fair to Rogers. He seems like a very smart guy and pointed out that he would have changed his call if given the opportunity solely because the ref had turned the coin over on the second flip before flipping. I wonder if he was changing his call knowing that the ref changing what was on top before the flip switched the odds as to what the result would be.

Interestingly, people who switch in situations like this tend to experience more regret when they subsequently lose the toss. If you want to minimize how bad you will feel at losing you should stick with your original call. Which is what most people tend to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 20, 2016, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
That the ref didn't give him a chance to change his call and flipped it the second time too quick. Also that "it's unfortunate it comes down to that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe)

To be fair to Rogers. He seems like a very smart guy and pointed out that he would have changed his call if given the opportunity solely because the ref had turned the coin over on the second flip before flipping. I wonder if he was changing his call knowing that the ref changing what was on top before the flip switched the odds as to what the result would be.

That seems statistically unlikely :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 09:22:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 20, 2016, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 19, 2016, 02:48:49 PM
That the ref didn't give him a chance to change his call and flipped it the second time too quick. Also that "it's unfortunate it comes down to that."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000624046/article/aaron-rodgers-unhappy-about-coin-flip-gaffe)

It's not their is a statistical bias towards what is on top when a coin is flipped and caught and turned over and Vice verse when it is not turned over. Rodgers made reference to only wanted to change his mind because the ref changed what was on top. It wouldn't surprise me if he was aware of the statistical bias which would just show the mans attention to detail
To be fair to Rogers. He seems like a very smart guy and pointed out that he would have changed his call if given the opportunity solely because the ref had turned the coin over on the second flip before flipping. I wonder if he was changing his call knowing that the ref changing what was on top before the flip switched the odds as to what the result would be.

That seems statistically unlikely :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
There is the tiniest statistical bias - as little as makes no matter at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
There is the tiniest statistical bias - as little as makes no matter at all.

It's nearly 2%. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers (or the packers organisation) knew about that and try to exploit that advantage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2016, 10:08:20 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
There is the tiniest statistical bias - as little as makes no matter at all.

It's nearly 2%. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers (or the packers organisation) knew about that and try to exploit that advantage

Ah here David. Come on. And if the ref had allowed him recall and won, the Cardinals would have been shafted as the NFL said the coin does not have to flip. It is stupid to make the statement that it came down to that. As I said before, it came down to not covering the best wide receiver on the field, and then allowing him to run 60 yards with the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
There is the tiniest statistical bias - as little as makes no matter at all.

It's nearly 2%. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers (or the packers organisation) knew about that and try to exploit that advantage

It's less than 1%, and is only valid for a situation where the coin is flipped multiple times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 21, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
ok - can someone tell me what you are saying is a statistical bias?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 21, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
ok - can someone tell me what you are saying is a statistical bias?

That if you randomly flip a coin, it is biased in favour of the side facing up at the time of the toss.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 11:05:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
There is the tiniest statistical bias - as little as makes no matter at all.

It's nearly 2%. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers (or the packers organisation) knew about that and try to exploit that advantage

It's less than 1%, and is only valid for a situation where the coin is flipped multiple times.

Does it not result in a nearly 51 to 49 bias. Regardless of the exact figures I'd love to know if Rogers/packers had researched and looked for that little edge
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 11:05:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
There is the tiniest statistical bias - as little as makes no matter at all.

It's nearly 2%. I wouldn't be surprised if Rogers (or the packers organisation) knew about that and try to exploit that advantage

It's less than 1%, and is only valid for a situation where the coin is flipped multiple times.

Does it not result in a nearly 51 to 49 bias. Regardless of the exact figures I'd love to know if Rogers/packers had researched and looked for that little edge
Which they would *not* have been entitled to, as there is no onus for the coin to flip at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 22, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
Here's a link to a study which attempted to test the coin toss hypothesis.

https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/Real-World/coin_tosses.html

Think the jury is still out on whether the effect is there. But i like David's broad point, that you should call the same side that is showing as there is zero cost in doing so even if there is no benefit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:43:21 PM
I still think it's ultra lame to say it came down to that. It didn't.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 22, 2016, 01:46:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:43:21 PM
I still think it's ultra lame to say it came down to that. It didn't.

Of course, though i didn't take that to be David's point (though he might want to correct me on that).

I
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:48:56 PM
Maybe I'm putting words into his mouth, but I read it that he was supporting Rodgers' contention that he would have chosen differently if he had a choice, and it was a pity it (the game) came down to that.

a) He wasn't entitled to a rethrow. the first throw was legal
b) If he won the toss, there was no guarantee they would score a TD
c) His defence left Larry Fitz completely open.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 22, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
I don't see the contradiction between those two positions though.

If he had the chance to choose again he would changed his call, for the reasons David outlined (It's possible he /the packers were aware of this research though unlikely - in any case it seems the rationale thing to do given the evidence).

And at the same time one can recognise that a) b) and c) are all true.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
But the implication, or at least my inference, is that *had* they been allowed change their call, they would have won the game, because it all came down to that. That's the part of his statement I think is pathetic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 22, 2016, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
But the implication, or at least my inference, is that *had* they been allowed change their call, they would have won the game, because it all came down to that. That's the part of his statement I think is pathetic.

David or Rodgers? I agree that Rodgers come's across a bit sour in his statement. I took David to be making an interesting (if slightly tongue-in-cheek) statistical / game theory point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 22, 2016, 02:07:55 PM
Jaysus lads I can' believe ye are actually arguing the toss!!!!

What about this weekend?? It's hard to look past a Pats/Panthers Superbowl especially given how poor Arizona were last week.

Unfortunately I'll miss the later game which will probably be the better of the 2.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 02:12:21 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 22, 2016, 02:03:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
But the implication, or at least my inference, is that *had* they been allowed change their call, they would have won the game, because it all came down to that. That's the part of his statement I think is pathetic.

David or Rodgers? I agree that Rodgers come's across a bit sour in his statement. I took David to be making an interesting (if slightly tongue-in-cheek) statistical / game theory point.

Rodgers. But I think David is lending too much weight to the coin toss theory.

As for this weekend, I'm sure Panthers and Patriots are well deserved favourites. The Cardinals would have to play a lot better. They are capable of that though, but they need to keep Palmer upright. Jared Allen's broken foot might help there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 22, 2016, 02:29:09 PM
I think both games will be very close, with the AFC lower scoring. I actually fancy the Broncos, though they will need a big game from their pass rush and whoever they put on Gronk.
I also fancy the Cards, think their offense matches up quite well against the panthers. Could be a game for the ages that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
I don't like the Cards Defense against Newton and Olson. They've struggled against TEs in the last few years, and if they try to pressure Newton, they won't be able to bring him down if he gets out of the pocket.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2016, 05:17:25 PM
New England will batter the league's best defensive unit, they have two great wide receivers and Brink who is unstoppable.

If the Pats stuff the line game over, Manning has no arm left and cannot leave the pocket, New England in a blowout 31- 10.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 22, 2016, 06:22:15 PM
big weekend ahead - two great matchups though i'll be more interested in Panthers v cardinals
good luck AZoffaly - after the last game I'm hoping they go all the way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 07:06:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
I don't like the Cards Defense against Newton and Olson. They've struggled against TEs in the last few years, and if they try to pressure Newton, they won't be able to bring him down if he gets out of the pocket.

Cam is the best QB against the blitz this year so Arians will have to be more disciplined to have a chance. He's finding the holes when teams rush at him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 08:38:57 PM
Exactly. They have to play blitz contain if they are coming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
I don't like the Cards Defense against Newton and Olson. They've struggled against TEs in the last few years, and if they try to pressure Newton, they won't be able to bring him down if he gets out of the pocket.

Think I read something about Cam's QBR dropping to 27th in league once out of the pocket. Will try and dig it out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 09:32:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
I don't like the Cards Defense against Newton and Olson. They've struggled against TEs in the last few years, and if they try to pressure Newton, they won't be able to bring him down if he gets out of the pocket.

Think I read something about Cam's QBR dropping to 27th in league once out of the pocket. Will try and dig it out.

Wrong side of the field. The panthers defense held opposing QBs to a league lowest QBR in the pocket this season but plummeted to 27th when the QB got out of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 22, 2016, 09:35:00 PM
Cleveland Cavaliers fire coach David Blatt, even with the team's 30-11 record.  The Cavs have won 11 of their last 13, but the two losses were against the league's elite, Golden State and San Antonio.  Maybe this will light a fire under the Eastern league-leading team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 22, 2016, 09:35:00 PM
Cleveland Cavaliers fire coach David Blatt, even with the team's 30-11 record.  The Cavs have won 11 of their last 13, but the two losses were against the league's elite, Golden State and San Antonio.  Maybe this will light a fire under the Eastern league-leading team.

Interesting. Who will LeBron approve of? Blatt is a good coach with a good record overseas but coaching a LeBron team chasing a championship was perhaps above him and he was really nothing more than a puppet - it's LeBron's team, nobody else's. In one way, it's all irrelevant as nobody has a chance over 7 games against the spurs or the warriors.

On the court, the Cavs are a bit of a mess. All the talk about LeBron and Love working to get on the same page has long since gone and a Love trade is the most logical solution for both him and the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 22, 2016, 10:23:28 PM
Quote from: stew on January 22, 2016, 05:17:25 PM
New England will batter the league's best defensive unit, they have two great wide receivers and Brink who is unstoppable.

If the Pats stuff the line game over, Manning has no arm left and cannot leave the pocket, New England in a blowout 31- 10.
New England have no running game though and Manning wasn't bad last week. He completed something like 21 of 37 passes even with 7 drops by his receivers, in very windy conditions. It was all short stuff but that's the way he has to play now and I thought he did a great job of playing within his limitations. No interceptions was the key. With guys like Thomas, Sanders and Daniels to throw to he just needs to be solid. And Denver have a decent running game. Throw in one of the top defences and home advantage(at a difficult venue where Brady has had his struggles) and there are lots of reasons to think Denver could win. Anything can happen on the day but you'd have to fancy Brady the way he's playing, especially with Edelman back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 22, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 22, 2016, 09:35:00 PM
Cleveland Cavaliers fire coach David Blatt, even with the team's 30-11 record.  The Cavs have won 11 of their last 13, but the two losses were against the league's elite, Golden State and San Antonio.  Maybe this will light a fire under the Eastern league-leading team.

Interesting. Who will LeBron approve of? Blatt is a good coach with a good record overseas but coaching a LeBron team chasing a championship was perhaps above him and he was really nothing more than a puppet - it's LeBron's team, nobody else's. In one way, it's all irrelevant as nobody has a chance over 7 games against the spurs or the warriors.

On the court, the Cavs are a bit of a mess. All the talk about LeBron and Love working to get on the same page has long since gone and a Love trade is the most logical solution for both him and the team.

They've promoted Tyron Lue to the position. Blatt was always on a hiding to nothing and to be far the job (well managing Lebron) probably was too big for him. Am I right in saying, he called a play last year and Lebron said something like, 'no we ain't doing that, we're doing this' They went with Lebron's play. After the game, Blatt bent over and said absolutely he made the wrong call and Lebron was right. I hope I haven't made that up!!

I wonder will anyone come sniffing around Luke Walton now Kerr is back? How much of an input did he have with an already great team?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 10:40:22 PM
100% Walton will be a HC next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 22, 2016, 10:43:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 22, 2016, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 22, 2016, 05:01:52 PM
I don't like the Cards Defense against Newton and Olson. They've struggled against TEs in the last few years, and if they try to pressure Newton, they won't be able to bring him down if he gets out of the pocket.

Think I read something about Cam's QBR dropping to 27th in league once out of the pocket. Will try and dig it out.

He has the most TDs against blitz formations of any QB this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 22, 2016, 10:57:28 PM
No, I think you're right, gawa.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 22, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2016, 10:33:34 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 21, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
ok - can someone tell me what you are saying is a statistical bias?

That if you randomly flip a coin, it is biased in favour of the side facing up at the time of the toss.

<smugselfcongratulatoryrant>
Thats what I thought was being said, that's actually bollocks (unfortunately). The issue is actually moment of inertia, i.e. the distribution of the mass of the coin around the axis of rotation. As you can't predict the precise axis for a coin flip it would need to be evenly distributed around the center , and while with US coins (not only) there is a spin bias (especially on the penny) the commemorative coin for the flip will very likely have a bias of its own one way or the other... (unless there is a perfectly even distribution of mass and is tossed in a vacuum) 

the Draconis bias theory about the flip while fun, doesn't actually hold up in at all despite the press it got at the time. The mass distribution rule however does. Laws of Physics- still a bitch.
</smugselfcongratulatoryrant>
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 24, 2016, 07:24:30 PM
Any predictions ahead of the conference games today?

Id love to see Broncos va Cards, but i dont think either of them will make it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 24, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
Of all the teams left, the Cards are the only ones I'd absurdly like to see win. However, I'd love to see Goodell forced to present the trophy to Kraft, Bellichik and Brady again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2016, 09:28:06 PM
Denver D giving Brady his fill of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 24, 2016, 09:30:57 PM
The one thing that bugs me about this sport is the constant penalties and how huge a part they play in the outcome of the game.

Denver D killing it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 10:24:13 PM
Pats look to be in big trouble they have no answer for Vaughan Miller and the Denver defense!!

Will be interesting to see if they can find a way to nullify it before its too late.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 24, 2016, 11:22:45 PM
Jesus the Pats O-line has been absolutely garbage. They've looked very poor anywhere close to the red zone so scoring and then making the 2pt conversion is some ask.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2016, 11:22:45 PM
Jesus the Pats O-line has been absolutely garbage. They've looked very poor anywhere close to the red zone so scoring and then making the 2pt conversion is some ask.

Should they not have taken the FG in that last drive?? Their defense is playing pretty well and they should have been confident of getting the ball back and another drive for the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 24, 2016, 11:33:24 PM
One of the highlights of any season is the Patriots being eliminated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 24, 2016, 11:36:13 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 24, 2016, 11:24:15 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 24, 2016, 11:22:45 PM
Jesus the Pats O-line has been absolutely garbage. They've looked very poor anywhere close to the red zone so scoring and then making the 2pt conversion is some ask.

Should they not have taken the FG in that last drive?? Their defense is playing pretty well and they should have been confident of getting the ball back and another drive for the win.

After field goal, they'd have had longer field to overcome as well. I think you've got to go for it all as one first dorm is enough to end it.

Some finish. Those plays on 4th down really were mental. The TD was appalling to give up but that Denver defence is monstrous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 24, 2016, 11:36:35 PM
Denver's D were immense.
Deserved it on balance. Brady coming down the last drive was unreal, best ever?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2016, 11:38:37 PM
Broncos should start Osweiler in SuperBowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 24, 2016, 11:42:40 PM
Don't forget Pats were done out of a defensive TD by an early whistle as well. Manning was decent but I wouldn't go as far as "good". Whoever comes out of the NFC will be a heavy favourite.

Also, wtf was Roby doing running that play out?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 11:46:18 PM
i wonder how good Brady be in recent years if he hadn't a big TE to throw to, he catches many a ball no other TE would. Wouldn't change with Manning now, the other lad hasn't the experience for a superbowl, a longer throw hardly a recommendation to start him. played well for a while but the 1 pressure game he was in he was very panicked. Not matter anyway panthers have been the strongest team in the NFL all year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 24, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Great game from the Denver D - they got so much pressure just rushing 4.

I think Denver will probably be a slight underdog in the superbowl but their D is probably the single most dominate unit of the remaining teams.

No chance they start Osweiler over Manning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 24, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Aye I know they won't but I just think the O is so limited with Manning in there. Mind you that D might be enough to win a SB.

The Pats losing to Miami in week 17 was massive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 12:27:14 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on January 24, 2016, 11:46:18 PM
i wonder how good Brady be in recent years if he hadn't a big TE to throw to, he catches many a ball no other TE would. Wouldn't change with Manning now, the other lad hasn't the experience for a superbowl, a longer throw hardly a recommendation to start him. played well for a while but the 1 pressure game he was in he was very panicked. Not matter anyway panthers have been the strongest team in the NFL all year

Ah jaysus WW if your granny had balls and all that. Brady is superb and the 4th down play on the last drive was phenomenal. Yes Gronk is phenomenal too but Brady has probably never been roughed up as much ad he was tonight and was still able to cone up with a clutch play when it mattered. The missed extra point was a one in 500 shot and only for it I reckon Pats win as Manning was distinctly average and I don't think he can get it done in the Superbowl.

Their only chance of winning is keeping Cam to around 20 pts but he's in serious form at the minute!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 12:27:22 AM
Not even close.. so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 01:18:20 AM
3 turnovers in one half. Thats brutal so far. Palmer is having a 'mare
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 01:21:21 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 01:18:20 AM
3 turnovers in one half. Thats brutal so far. Palmer is having a 'mare

3 turnovers in 3 plays?? Crazy stuff!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 01:21:35 AM
Even when Cam does make a mistake Palmer turns around and sends the ball right back to the Panthers.

Blood in the water to say the least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 01:23:03 AM
This is like pop warner
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 02:03:51 AM
The Cam show... Phenomenal stuff can Denver stop him??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 02:10:03 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2016, 02:03:51 AM
The Cam show... Phenomenal stuff can Denver stop him??

Hopefully not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 02:36:31 AM
Exhibition from Newton. Cards dont have a single part of their game firing well tonight. It is a rout at this point.
Wade Phillips will have a better tool kit against this offensive unit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 02:42:57 AM
People thought this would be too tight to call before it started. Clearly the best team in the NFL this year. Hopefully they prove it in two weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 02:51:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 02:42:57 AM
People thought this would be too tight to call before it started. Clearly the best team in the NFL this year. Hopefully they prove it in two weeks.

Are you saying panthers or broncos? Im assuming Panthers?

Sadly Warner doing his team a massive disservice at this point
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 03:15:22 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 02:51:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2016, 02:42:57 AM
People thought this would be too tight to call before it started. Clearly the best team in the NFL this year. Hopefully they prove it in two weeks.

Are you saying panthers or broncos? Im assuming Panthers?

Sadly Warner doing his team a massive disservice at this point

Panthers. I don't know how you could say Denver are the best team in the NFL. Carolina will be delighted the Pats lost today but it won't matter if they can't take care of business.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 05:01:48 AM
They say defence wins championships...

Turns out "they" are wrong, top offence vs top defence should be a cracker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2016, 05:46:37 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 05:01:48 AM
They say defence wins championships...

Turns out "they" are wrong, top offence vs top defence should be a cracker.

Two years ago, turned out that "they" were very much right, and massively so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 10:01:01 AM
Very disappointing, but Carolina clearly the better team. I was afraid that the Cardinals would lose on both lines, and while David Johnson had a very respectable running night (watch for him in fantasy next year) Palmer was twitchy and uncomfortable in passing downs all night. That really shouldn't happen when you have a viable running game, as play actions should buy you time. Palmer just wasn't good enough last night.

The nightmare start, again, obviously hurt them, but I thought they were getting back into it when Johnson scored, and then they forced the punt. Peterson made an arse of that, and the Panthers scored from the following drive. That was the dagger I think. If they could have started at half way and got a field goal even, to make it 17-10, they were right back in it, but 24-7 is a huge swing in those circumstances. I don't think it would have mattered, the Panthers were just stronger, and it has been a great year for these Cards, but I'm sad for Larry Fitz. It's hard to get back to this stage in the NFL, so who knows what happens next year. I'd have loved to see him get a Superbowl.

Best of luck to the Panthers, Newton has been a revelation this year. He looks like an NFL QB when he stays tall in the pocket and throws lasers. Yes he makes mistakes, but his game has improved so much from last year it's unreal. That is not an elite receiving corps he has either. If he was in Arizona, the Cardinals win that game.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
Panthers did indeed look absolutely superb. Was very impressed with Ginn's hustle getting back to make that tackle!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 10:16:51 AM
Another reason I'm sad the Cardinals lost is there was a great story there if they had made it. One of their assistant coaches Tom Pratt, is 79 years of age. He coached in Superbowl 1 when he was with the Kansas City Chiefs, and had a chance to coach in Superbowl 50. That would have been some stat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2016, 05:46:37 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 25, 2016, 05:01:48 AM
They say defence wins championships...

Turns out "they" are wrong, top offence vs top defence should be a cracker.

Two years ago, turned out that "they" were very much right, and massively so.

Statto:
http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/20/does-defense-really-win-championships/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 09:26:29 PM
I would say that, generally speaking, Superbowl calibre teams tend to be well put together on both sides of the ball, so it's not surprising that they'd have good offenses and defenses. Like everyone is saying this is Denver D v Carolina and Cam, but The Panthers D is good too with Keuchly, Davis and norman, not to mention the Line play.

Perhaps it is more accurate to say 'You don't win championships without Defense'. You obviously need to score points too, but if you can't stop anybody, and your opponent has a decent defense, then sooner or later you are going to run out of road. Of course if you have a great defense, and can't score, your road would be shorter still. That said, I can remember a couple of teams who had stellar Defenses, the 85 Bears and the Ravens in 2001 who really carried their offense to titles. I can't really remember an offense doing that on it's own. Maybe the Rams, but even their defense was able to make stops when it had to.

So you need both to win, but you're more likely to have a shot with a lockdown defense and poor offense, than super offense and crap defense.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 09:27:50 PM
My maxim is 'You can't win without a good offensive line, and a good 4 man pass rush'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2016, 10:28:11 PM
Couple of surprising (to me anyway) stats about the Patriots, they haven't won a playoff road game since 2006 & they have now lost 4 of their last 5 AFC Championship games.

They probably haven't played too many road playoff games either if they have been #1 seed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 11:12:32 PM
That really was a strange mistake for NE to make in not closing out v Miami. Probably not an exaggeration to say that had a huge bearing on Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 25, 2016, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 11:12:32 PM
That really was a strange mistake for NE to make in not closing out v Miami. Probably not an exaggeration to say that had a huge bearing on Sunday.

Yeah I think the crowd had an effect on them able to get to the QB, the NE OL were continually late off the ball when it was snapped.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 26, 2016, 01:37:52 AM
The Patriots had 3rd and 4 th stringers playing on the O/L yesterday. John mMadden said it best.
" it ain't always the best team that wins in the playoffs , it's the healthiest"...
For the Pats to be still in that game at the death is a testament to Brady and Belichick. Gostowski hadn't missed a PAT in over 520 attempts ( granted that was mostly the old rules).
No f**king about from them either.... OL coach just fired!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 26, 2016, 06:03:28 AM
Warriors putting on a show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on January 26, 2016, 06:26:02 AM
Fantastic to watch.Made a red hot Spurs team look very ordinary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 31, 2016, 10:52:16 PM
Last week, the Cavs got blown out by the Warriors, but today they ran the Spurs off the court 117-107, playing an up tempo style rather than the more defensive posture they adopted under Coach Blatt.  In fact, they scored 37 in the first quarter.  As a Cleveland sports fan desperate to clutch any any straw, is this just a one off squib, or should they now be considered viable title contenders?  The Warriors are the crime de la crime, but if the Cavs stay healthy, just maybe . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 01, 2016, 04:35:18 AM
Megatron, Calvin Johnson, informs the Detroit Lions that he will retire.

Great WR and person, this coming from a Bears fan.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2016, 08:43:19 PM
Apparently, the Browns will waive Johnny Manziel on March 9 when the league year begins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2016, 11:19:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2016, 09:26:29 PM
I would say that, generally speaking, Superbowl calibre teams tend to be well put together on both sides of the ball, so it's not surprising that they'd have good offenses and defenses. Like everyone is saying this is Denver D v Carolina and Cam, but The Panthers D is good too with Keuchly, Davis and norman, not to mention the Line play.

Perhaps it is more accurate to say 'You don't win championships without Defense'. You obviously need to score points too, but if you can't stop anybody, and your opponent has a decent defense, then sooner or later you are going to run out of road. Of course if you have a great defense, and can't score, your road would be shorter still. That said, I can remember a couple of teams who had stellar Defenses, the 85 Bears and the Ravens in 2001 who really carried their offense to titles. I can't really remember an offense doing that on it's own. Maybe the Rams, but even their defense was able to make stops when it had to.

So you need both to win, but you're more likely to have a shot with a lockdown defense and poor offense, than super offense and crap defense.

The 85 Bears offence wasn't that bad. McMahon was a good QB and of course Walter was one of the best ever. The Bears defence that got Rex Grossman and co to the Superbowl and close to winning it wasn't as good as the 85 Bears but my God, for how long they were on the field they deserve to go down in history as one of the best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 03, 2016, 05:37:10 PM
Today is National Signing Day, the day on which high school seniors commit to colleges officially.  At noon, according to 247Sports, the schools with the best incoming classes are as follows:
1. LSU
2. Mississippi
3. Florida State
4. Ohio State
5. Alabama
6. Michigan
With a number of top flight prospects yet to sign, I expect Bama to leapfrog over OSU, so once again, the SEC has the top recruiting classes. 

And, sure enough, at 4:30 the ranking has changed.
1. FSU
2. Alabama
3. LSU
4. Ole Miss
5. OSU
6. Michigan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2016, 07:51:41 PM
8 years ago today

(http://i.imgur.com/ktzUlWJ.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 07, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
Have a feeling Peyton is gonna stink the place out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 07, 2016, 11:26:27 PM
I hope he doesn't, hoping for it to be close to keep me awake after the singing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 07, 2016, 11:28:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 07, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
Have a feeling Peyton is gonna stink the place out
I do fear a blowout. Hope Denver can get a good start though, and seeing our boys in Afghanistan there and hearing "From Sea to shining sea", I feel like anything is possible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on February 07, 2016, 11:40:39 PM
Good start by Manning - Gooooooo BRONCOS!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 07, 2016, 11:49:28 PM
Quote from: Zulu on February 07, 2016, 11:40:39 PM
Good start by Manning - Gooooooo BRONCOS!!
Not bad. That's what the game needed. Still lacking some zip on those passes though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 08, 2016, 12:09:36 AM
Quote from: Zulu on February 07, 2016, 11:40:39 PM
Good start by Manning - Gooooooo BRONCOS!!

Defence helping out as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on February 08, 2016, 12:10:11 AM
Broncos all over them at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:10:33 AM
Great stuff gonna make things very interesting!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:12:11 AM
A lot of the talk all week was about how Cam would relish the occasion and go out and have fun, but he's feeling the pressure now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:14:00 AM
You idiot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:15:55 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:12:11 AM
A lot of the talk all week was about how Cam would relish the occasion and go out and have fun, but he's feeling the pressure now.

Bronco's D are phenomenal!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:20:28 AM
Has anybody been able to fathom a reason for MON being on the panel @ Levi Stadium???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:15:55 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:12:11 AM
A lot of the talk all week was about how Cam would relish the occasion and go out and have fun, but he's feeling the pressure now.

Bronco's D are phenomenal!!
Yeah they're amazing and Jonny Stewart is hurt. Broncos favs now. Peyton's job is just to not turn the ball over and let the D win the game. Brilliant sack by Kuechly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:24:34 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:15:55 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 08, 2016, 12:12:11 AM
A lot of the talk all week was about how Cam would relish the occasion and go out and have fun, but he's feeling the pressure now.

Bronco's D are phenomenal!!
Yeah they're amazing and Jonny Stewart is hurt. Broncos favs now. Peyton's job is just to not turn the ball over and let the D win the game. Brilliant sack by Kuechly.

The way it should be Cam getting a true test of his ability!!! The story is can he cope with it???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on February 08, 2016, 12:43:49 AM
Broncos getting nothing going on offence now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Zulu on February 08, 2016, 12:59:43 AM
Broncos defence are putting in some shift.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2016, 01:39:46 AM
Another decent half time show. Should the GAA do something similar for the All Ireland finals?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 08, 2016, 03:31:37 AM
Newtown not jumping on the ball when he fumbled was disgusting. Not a leader
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 08, 2016, 05:31:12 AM
Poor enough game. Week 17 @ Miami will give the Pats nightmares all offseason...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 08, 2016, 09:48:07 AM
I wonder what Syferus made of that Newton performance ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 08, 2016, 10:14:33 AM
I'm gutted. I fell asleep just before half time. Away with work, so in a hotel room lying on a bed is not ideal preparation to watch the NFL. Fucks sake. I'll have to watch it back, but I'm very surprised by the outcome. Delighted for Manning, I've given him stick for his postseasons before, and I know he wasn't exactly Tom Brady last night, but it's great that he won a second and at least tied Eli. He can retire now, and I hope he does. Even in the bit I saw he threw some right ducks.

As for NEwton, again I saw the first half, and he was rattled by the Broncos. Surprised me. I thought he'd have more assurance and ability to evade, but he seemed a bit caught in the headlights. I'm sure he'll learn from it. Still a great season for him, but a dose of humility might not be the worst thing for him either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on February 08, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:20:28 AM
Has anybody been able to fathom a reason for MON being on the panel @ Levi Stadium???

It was certainly bizarre. I reckon Keane was too chicken to appear, cause he would end up saying something ridiculous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: NAG1 on February 08, 2016, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: Orior on February 08, 2016, 11:00:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2016, 12:20:28 AM
Has anybody been able to fathom a reason for MON being on the panel @ Levi Stadium???

It was certainly bizarre. I reckon Keane was too chicken to appear, cause he would end up saying something ridiculous.

It was a time filler, Chapman would know MON well through the BBC so him and Keane were likely in one of the boxes around them and he just grabbed MON. Was an interesting enough piece actually.

He wasnt on the panel, just a drop in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 08, 2016, 09:48:07 AM
I wonder what Syferus made of that Newton performance ?

He probably hasn't taken his hands away from his face yet.

After the chat about defence winning Super Bowls a couple of weeks ago too. First one I haven't watched in years but from highlights, was just a complete error-fest, although that might do the Denver D a disservice.

Von Miller is a great player. Wonder what he'd be like without all the drugs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 08, 2016, 12:48:07 PM
Well done to Broncos and Peyton  manning
I say his stats will keep him as the best ever QB for a long time
QBs just can't get time in the pocket now compared to before
Defensive players are just To good now
Newton didn't use his pace and strength enough to get out of the pass rush zone
He took some abuse and couldn't mentally deal with it
Carolina didn't show enough respect to Broncos in this respect
Millar was outstanding and showed up on the big day
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 08, 2016, 02:18:38 PM
QuoteVon Miller is a great player. Wonder what he'd be like without all the drugs.

Cathal Dennehy
‏@Cathal_Dennehy   Positive test, sample manipulation - worth noting that if Superbowl MVP Von Miller was an athlete, he'd have been banned for life long ago.

Amazing that in all of the commentary I listened to and watched on the game no mention of this or Peyton's little issue either. Complete hypocrisy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 08, 2016, 02:20:55 PM
The NFL doesn't give a shite about drugs. They are brutal that way. And it's a massive factor in those injuries as well. The players are bigger, and faster, and in some cases it's artificially so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2016, 02:22:30 PM
Quote from: Declan on February 08, 2016, 02:18:38 PM
QuoteVon Miller is a great player. Wonder what he'd be like without all the drugs.

Cathal Dennehy
‏@Cathal_Dennehy   Positive test, sample manipulation - worth noting that if Superbowl MVP Von Miller was an athlete, he'd have been banned for life long ago.

Amazing that in all of the commentary I listened to and watched on the game no mention of this or Peyton's little issue either. Complete hypocrisy

The way they've turned a blind eye to Manning and the HGH is shocking. He and Nantz share an agent and when it first broke, dismissed it as a non story during the telecast, despite everybody appearing to accept the fact that his wife did indeed receive a shipment of the stuff. Laughable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2016, 02:20:55 PM
The NFL doesn't give a shite about drugs. They are brutal that way. And it's a massive factor in those injuries as well. The players are bigger, and faster, and in some cases it's artificially so.

Even the logic is all over the place. The suggestion is that Manning was using the stuff to come back from the neck surgeries. I don't think too many people would begrudge athletes a any aid in recovering from injury, assuming you could put a transparent, fair system in place.

Instead, they just ban everything but have ridiculously ineffective testing processes and insufficient punishments.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on February 08, 2016, 03:16:38 PM
I'm glad that I'm not a gambler, I would have put the house on Carolina last night, I thought it would have been a blow out, over in the first quarter. It was great to see the Broncos win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 08, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Further evidence, if it was needed that "QB wins" and SB wins separate players is a nonsense, in my opinion.

Basically if Manning didn't get a second ring his career was a letdown, but now that he had the second ring his career is validated. Even though he was "just a guy" this time. It's too much of a team game, Manning knew the Denver D was so good he changed a passing play to a running play knowing he wasn't getting a first down, just to turn the ball over and let the D stop the Panthers. Can you imagine him thinking like that as a Colt?

He was very fortunate to find himself the QB of a team that has one of the best Defenses in NFL history.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 08, 2016, 04:10:54 PM
There have been a number of these Defense dominated super bowls in the past could of years. And even though they don't have a lot of touchdowns they are very interesting tactical games. Manning had the 4th worst QB passing rating since '74, when the game was completely different. He looked like a disaster waiting to happen the whole game and lucky for Denver they were in front from the first score. Steve Young had said before the game that this SB gave a punter the best possibility of winning an MVP.
The game got to Cam, he was throwing rockets 2-3 foot over the WR's without a chance to catch them and I have no idea why he did't jump on the final recovery. Only thing I can think of is he thought one of his own guys had got it. Talib almost imploded at one stage with the amount of penalties he gave away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 08, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 08, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Further evidence, if it was needed that "QB wins" and SB wins separate players is a nonsense, in my opinion.

Basically if Manning didn't get a second ring his career was a letdown, but now that he had the second ring his career is validated. Even though he was "just a guy" this time. It's too much of a team game, Manning knew the Denver D was so good he changed a passing play to a running play knowing he wasn't getting a first down, just to turn the ball over and let the D stop the Panthers. Can you imagine him thinking like that as a Colt?

He was very fortunate to find himself the QB of a team that has one of the best Defenses in NFL history.

+1

Blatant proof of how bullshit that is and how bullshit the supposed knock on Peyton was/is.

And JJ Watt should have got MVP last season!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 12, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Speaking of big JJ see he's in town
http://www.joe.ie/sport/pics-nfl-superstar-jj-watt-is-in-dublin-and-has-been-indulging-in-our-national-pastime/530792 (http://www.joe.ie/sport/pics-nfl-superstar-jj-watt-is-in-dublin-and-has-been-indulging-in-our-national-pastime/530792)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on February 16, 2016, 11:52:20 AM
Defensive masterclass at the All Star game at the weekend  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 28, 2016, 09:47:37 AM
Peyton Manning Retires...........

According to the Raider's fansite on SB Nation website  silverandblackpride.com

http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2016/2/27/11127868/peyton-manning-retires-denver-broncos-resurgent-oakland-raiders
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 08, 2016, 05:16:46 PM
Megatron retires.

Also, for the basketball fans, Steph Curry continues to be insane. The OKC game ten days or so ago was incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on March 08, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 08, 2016, 05:16:46 PM
Megatron retires.

Also, for the basketball fans, Steph Curry continues to be insane. The OKC game ten days or so ago was incredible.

That OKC game was absolutely unbelievable, as too was the loss to the Lakers.

Can't see them beating the Bulls record now, maybe at most they'll tie it, hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 08, 2016, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 08, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 08, 2016, 03:26:37 PM
Further evidence, if it was needed that "QB wins" and SB wins separate players is a nonsense, in my opinion.

Basically if Manning didn't get a second ring his career was a letdown, but now that he had the second ring his career is validated. Even though he was "just a guy" this time. It's too much of a team game, Manning knew the Denver D was so good he changed a passing play to a running play knowing he wasn't getting a first down, just to turn the ball over and let the D stop the Panthers. Can you imagine him thinking like that as a Colt?

He was very fortunate to find himself the QB of a team that has one of the best Defenses in NFL history.

+1

Blatant proof of how bullshit that is and how bullshit the supposed knock on Peyton was/is.

And JJ Watt should have got MVP last season!!!!!

Peyton Manning is a legend and would have been if he had won just the one superbowl, he is one of the best men ever to grace a football field and this from a man that hated the two teams he played for.

You can't buy class and he exuded it, I love the guy and wish him the best going forward.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 08, 2016, 08:10:28 PM
https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/707296824692965378 (https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/707296824692965378)

Interesting stuff here - Is it a dig at the druggie?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on March 08, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
i don't think he is - reading a bit much in to it - the old cynical Irish :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on March 08, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
QuoteI don't think he is - reading a bit much in to it - the old cynical Irish :)

Cynical moi??? ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on March 08, 2016, 09:26:11 PM
Peyton's extremely emotional retirement speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFLvoTKCaKs

Very american but honest and moving all the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on March 08, 2016, 10:28:07 PM
Always liked Manning, he be missed, one of the very best!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on March 09, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 08, 2016, 10:28:07 PM
Always liked Manning, he be missed, one of the very best!
But he's a drugs cheat.
I know the Americans don't care, but that doesn't mean NFL fans over here shouldn't care.


Not a fan of Cam Newton, but his tweet has improved my disposition towards him big time.

"You set the bar H1GH, extemely HiGH" is a clear reference to Manning taking Human Growth Hormone. 
He spelt it out twice to ensure those who might have thought it was perhaps an unfortunate mistake would know for sure that it was deliberate.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2016, 08:33:12 PM
And Brock bolts from the Broncos as well to the Texans in a reported 4 year $72million deal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on March 09, 2016, 08:37:17 PM
2 great pick ups by the Raiders (Irvin and Osemele) so far..crossed fingers Sean Smith and Eric Weddle to follow with maybe a chnage of pace RB.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 09, 2016, 08:44:15 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 09, 2016, 11:25:18 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on March 08, 2016, 10:28:07 PM
Always liked Manning, he be missed, one of the very best!
But he's a drugs cheat.
I know the Americans don't care, but that doesn't mean NFL fans over here shouldn't care.


Not a fan of Cam Newton, but his tweet has improved my disposition towards him big time.

"You set the bar H1GH, extemely HiGH" is a clear reference to Manning taking Human Growth Hormone. 
He spelt it out twice to ensure those who might have thought it was perhaps an unfortunate mistake would know for sure that it was deliberate.

Maybe not. If you look at his twitter feed he uses 1 for I a lot.

https://twitter.com/CameronNewton/status/599715246467592192

try1ng to PERFECT "all" my 1Mperfect1ONS!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on March 09, 2016, 09:00:49 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 09, 2016, 08:33:12 PM
And Brock bolts from the Broncos as well to the Texans in a reported 4 year $72million deal

Dave Dameshek was predicting this would happen in his last podcast. Reckoned Osweiler would have to have a chip on his shoulder about the way he was dropped for a washed-up QB to come in and take the glory. Hard to say how good Osweiler is yet, but with the increased salary cap space available this year, it seems like a good gamble on the Texan's part.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 10, 2016, 12:36:19 PM
Personally I think it's complete lunacy by the Texans.

Bears have picked up Trevathan (badly needed) and the Arizona right tackle (name escapes me) to beef up the offensive line. Two top players in areas of great need. Losing Forte was always going to happen. A shame but it's the grubby business end of things. Second only to the great Walter Payton in franchise history in a franchise known for running the ball. Just a super player. He's a great pickup for the Jets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 10, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Bobby Massie is the Cardinals tackle. Average enough to be honest seanie, but he has size!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on March 10, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Bobby Massie is the Cardinals tackle. Average enough to be honest seanie, but he has size!
Yeah, Massie's no big loss. Have the Cards lost anyone else or got any notable additions?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 10, 2016, 01:54:19 PM
Quiet enough so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 10, 2016, 01:56:38 PM
I'm a Dolphins fan, I think I could do a better job myself than Tannenbaum.

Just hope to god Alonso can stay healthy and Maxwell improves in a different scheme.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on March 10, 2016, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 09, 2016, 08:37:17 PM
2 great pick ups by the Raiders (Irvin and Osemele) so far..crossed fingers Sean Smith and Eric Weddle to follow with maybe a chnage of pace RB.......

Sean Smith now on board.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 10, 2016, 10:38:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on March 10, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
Bobby Massie is the Cardinals tackle. Average enough to be honest seanie, but he has size!
Yeah, Massie's no big loss. Have the Cards lost anyone else or got any notable additions?

Safety Tayvon Branch signed apparently. That's a good pickup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on March 10, 2016, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 10, 2016, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 09, 2016, 08:37:17 PM
2 great pick ups by the Raiders (Irvin and Osemele) so far..crossed fingers Sean Smith and Eric Weddle to follow with maybe a chnage of pace RB.......

Sean Smith now on board.....

It's all coming together for the Raiders, what can go wrong?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on March 10, 2016, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on March 10, 2016, 10:56:33 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 10, 2016, 06:11:55 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on March 09, 2016, 08:37:17 PM
2 great pick ups by the Raiders (Irvin and Osemele) so far..crossed fingers Sean Smith and Eric Weddle to follow with maybe a chnage of pace RB.......

Sean Smith now on board.....

It's all coming together for the Raiders, what can go wrong?

I know I know..... every time the hopes get up........but surely this time we can manage a winning season.....surely.... :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 11, 2016, 05:01:25 PM
And the Browns waive Johnny Football . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 15, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Cardinals have traded a second round pick and Jonathan cooper to the patriots for chandler Jones. That will help the pass rush. Jonathan Cooper hasn't worked out unfortunately, they were moving him to centre in a bid to get him going.

O line needs to be a priority in the draft it looks like.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 15, 2016, 07:24:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 15, 2016, 07:15:17 PM
Cardinals have traded a second round pick and Jonathan cooper to the patriots for chandler Jones. That will help the pass rush. Jonathan Cooper hasn't worked out unfortunately, they were moving him to centre in a bid to get him going.

O line needs to be a priority in the draft it looks like.

Great pickup. Although with Jon being based in Albuquerque, the pot sellers of the southwest will be rejoicing!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 17, 2016, 12:49:01 AM
Marcellus Bennett to the Pats. That's a pretty decent pair of TE's Brady will have at his disposal..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 24, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
And the Browns sign RGIII.  johnny's circus just left town, and now a 3-ring circus has arrived to replace it.  Well, at least the media focus will still be on Cleveland....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on March 25, 2016, 01:44:06 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 24, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
And the Browns sign RGIII.  johnny's circus just left town, and now a 3-ring circus has arrived to replace it.  Well, at least the media focus will still be on Cleveland....

Kaepernick future looking uncertain as well in the niners. 3 to 4 years ago both these guys were talked about as being  right up there with Cam and Wilson. Some decline. 

That said,I would not be surprised to see him at denver come 1St April. If he is still at San Francisco then a guaranteed $12m salary kicks in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 25, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 24, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
And the Browns sign RGIII.  johnny's circus just left town, and now a 3-ring circus has arrived to replace it.  Well, at least the media focus will still be on Cleveland....

In fairness RG3 is a lot more grounded than Manziel who looks a JaMarcus level bust now.

RG3 should be fully fit after sitting out the year and will know this is his best chance to make it as a starter again so he should be very focused. Browns have nothing to lose,  they're shite and if him and Gordon break out they could be as effective a pairing as the New Browns have seen.

Hopefully Goodell isn't a total ass and reinstates Gordon next week, a year out for liking wacky bacy in an age of PEDs is beyond ridculous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on March 25, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 25, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 24, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
And the Browns sign RGIII.  johnny's circus just left town, and now a 3-ring circus has arrived to replace it.  Well, at least the media focus will still be on Cleveland....

In fairness RG3 is a lot more grounded than Manziel who looks a JaMarcus level bust now.

RG3 should be fully fit after sitting out the year and will know this is his best chance to make it as a starter again so he should be very focused. Browns have nothing to lose,  they're shite and if him and Gordon break out they could be as effective a pairing as the New Browns have seen.

Hopefully Goodell isn't a total ass and reinstates Gordon next week, a year out for liking wacky bacy in an age of PEDs is beyond ridculous.

It is really bizarre the way they take such a heavy-handed approach to recreational drugs and almost condone PEDs. I wonder if it's to do with appealing to the conservative bible-bashers that make up a lot of their fanbase?

RG3 has as much left to offer as Peyton Manning does. I thought some desperate team might take him as a back-up but I'm surprised that the Browns have taken him as a starter, which seems to be the case. He didn't play last season and the season before was imo the worst quarterback in the league. Everything he did before the injury is irrelevant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 25, 2016, 08:38:50 PM
Well, I guess that'll allow the Browns to draft and develop a QB without having to throw him into the flames. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 25, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on March 25, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 25, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 24, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
And the Browns sign RGIII.  johnny's circus just left town, and now a 3-ring circus has arrived to replace it.  Well, at least the media focus will still be on Cleveland....

In fairness RG3 is a lot more grounded than Manziel who looks a JaMarcus level bust now.

RG3 should be fully fit after sitting out the year and will know this is his best chance to make it as a starter again so he should be very focused. Browns have nothing to lose,  they're shite and if him and Gordon break out they could be as effective a pairing as the New Browns have seen.

Hopefully Goodell isn't a total ass and reinstates Gordon next week, a year out for liking wacky bacy in an age of PEDs is beyond ridculous.

It is really bizarre the way they take such a heavy-handed approach to recreational drugs and almost condone PEDs. I wonder if it's to do with appealing to the conservative bible-bashers that make up a lot of their fanbase?

RG3 has as much left to offer as Peyton Manning does. I thought some desperate team might take him as a back-up but I'm surprised that the Browns have taken him as a starter, which seems to be the case. He didn't play last season and the season before was imo the worst quarterback in the league. Everything he did before the injury is irrelevant.

Wouldn't be so negative. He's had the bones of two years to sit and stew. That can make or break a player, there's many cases of players coming into their own later in their careers. For the relatively low risk price the Browns paid it's a smart move. It takes a long time for someone to get right from such a serious cruciate injury and sitting out an entire year might have been a blessing in disguise for RG3.

Hue Jackson wouldn't have took him if he didn't see potential in him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 27, 2016, 11:24:52 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 25, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on March 25, 2016, 08:11:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 25, 2016, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 24, 2016, 06:34:57 PM
And the Browns sign RGIII.  johnny's circus just left town, and now a 3-ring circus has arrived to replace it.  Well, at least the media focus will still be on Cleveland....

In fairness RG3 is a lot more grounded than Manziel who looks a JaMarcus level bust now.

RG3 should be fully fit after sitting out the year and will know this is his best chance to make it as a starter again so he should be very focused. Browns have nothing to lose,  they're shite and if him and Gordon break out they could be as effective a pairing as the New Browns have seen.

Hopefully Goodell isn't a total ass and reinstates Gordon next week, a year out for liking wacky bacy in an age of PEDs is beyond ridculous.

It is really bizarre the way they take such a heavy-handed approach to recreational drugs and almost condone PEDs. I wonder if it's to do with appealing to the conservative bible-bashers that make up a lot of their fanbase?

RG3 has as much left to offer as Peyton Manning does. I thought some desperate team might take him as a back-up but I'm surprised that the Browns have taken him as a starter, which seems to be the case. He didn't play last season and the season before was imo the worst quarterback in the league. Everything he did before the injury is irrelevant.

Wouldn't be so negative. He's had the bones of two years to sit and stew. That can make or break a player, there's many cases of players coming into their own later in their careers. For the relatively low risk price the Browns paid it's a smart move. It takes a long time for someone to get right from such a serious cruciate injury and sitting out an entire year might have been a blessing in disguise for RG3.

Hue Jackson wouldn't have took him if he didn't see potential in him.

They are the browns, born to fail and rRG3is done like dinner, the browns might win four games, might.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 29, 2016, 04:15:44 PM
I wonder how much damage to RGIIIs career Mike Shanahan did on that playoff game? I said at the time it was borderline negligence.

RGIII is a far better bet, if he is healthy, than Johnny Manziel, and I wouldn't be surprised if he made some sort of a fist of this, but it is hard to win with the Browns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 29, 2016, 05:14:34 PM
Ah, come on AZ.  Hope springs eternal.  Tiocfaidh ar la, or something to that effect.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 30, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
I was rereading a few old discussions on this thread. I think this is one of, if not the, best threads on the board for debate and discussion. It rarely gets personal or defensive, and I suppose a lot of that is because a lot of people are interested, but not a whole lot are emotionally invested the way we are with our GAA teams etc. Mind you, I would put my allegiance to the Cardinals up quite high :)

MLB season is just around the corner as well as March Madness Final Four. We actually have a 10 seed (Syracuse) in the final four as 3 of the 4 #1 seeds were knocked out at the elite 8 stage. Kansas fell to #2 Villanova, Oregon were handled by #2 Oklahoma, and Syracuse took care of Virginia. Only North Carolina remain as a #1 seed, having beaten Notre Dame in the elite 8.

UNC play Syracuse and Oklahoma play Villanova in the final four, and the championship game will be on Monday. My money's on Oklahoma at this stage I think.

Baseball spring training is drawing to a close, and Opening Day is officially April 3rd, with the Cardinals playing the Pirates, the Rays and the Blue Jays, and the champion Royals against the runner up from 2015, the New York Mets.

It's always a nice feeling when Baseball starts up, as it's a real sign of summer coming down the road, so go Diamondbacks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on March 30, 2016, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 30, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
I was rereading a few old discussions on this thread. I think this is one of, if not the, best threads on the board for debate and discussion. It rarely gets personal or defensive, and I suppose a lot of that is because a lot of people are interested, but not a whole lot are emotionally invested the way we are with our GAA teams etc. Mind you, I would put my allegiance to the Cardinals up quite high :)

MLB season is just around the corner as well as March Madness Final Four. We actually have a 10 seed (Syracuse) in the final four as 3 of the 4 #1 seeds were knocked out at the elite 8 stage. Kansas fell to #2 Villanova, Oregon were handled by #2 Oklahoma, and Syracuse took care of Virginia. Only North Carolina remain as a #1 seed, having beaten Notre Dame in the elite 8.

UNC play Syracuse and Oklahoma play Villanova in the final four, and the championship game will be on Monday. My money's on Oklahoma at this stage I think.

Baseball spring training is drawing to a close, and Opening Day is officially April 3rd, with the Cardinals playing the Pirates, the Rays and the Blue Jays, and the champion Royals against the runner up from 2015, the New York Mets.

It's always a nice feeling when Baseball starts up, as it's a real sign of summer coming down the road, so go Diamondbacks!

I think im going to give the fantasy baseball a go this year, I can barely name any players outside of the Blue Jays so it'll be a difficult learning experience.
Has anyone else done it before? Any tips?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 30, 2016, 12:39:48 PM
The Diamondbacks loaded up this past off-season - they will put in a good effort this year.

Not sure about their new uniforms though  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on March 30, 2016, 12:56:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 30, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
I was rereading a few old discussions on this thread. I think this is one of, if not the, best threads on the board for debate and discussion. It rarely gets personal or defensive, and I suppose a lot of that is because a lot of people are interested, but not a whole lot are emotionally invested the way we are with our GAA teams etc. Mind you, I would put my allegiance to the Cardinals up quite high :)

MLB season is just around the corner as well as March Madness Final Four. We actually have a 10 seed (Syracuse) in the final four as 3 of the 4 #1 seeds were knocked out at the elite 8 stage. Kansas fell to #2 Villanova, Oregon were handled by #2 Oklahoma, and Syracuse took care of Virginia. Only North Carolina remain as a #1 seed, having beaten Notre Dame in the elite 8.

UNC play Syracuse and Oklahoma play Villanova in the final four, and the championship game will be on Monday. My money's on Oklahoma at this stage I think.

Baseball spring training is drawing to a close, and Opening Day is officially April 3rd, with the Cardinals playing the Pirates, the Rays and the Blue Jays, and the champion Royals against the runner up from 2015, the New York Mets.

It's always a nice feeling when Baseball starts up, as it's a real sign of summer coming down the road, so go Diamondbacks!

I spent much of the last 2 weeks in New York and Toronto and was genuinely surprised by how big the whole March Madness thing is, it was unescapable. I attended a function with my in-laws on St Patricks Day and was shocked to hear elderly Irish people discussing it with such knowledge and in such depth...

I caught a Raptors game while in Toronto and enjoyed the whole experience but the game itself was a bit meh!!!!! The Raptors are 2nd in the Eastern Conference but from the local tv up there and any locals I spoke to there didn't seem much expectation of much of a run in the play-offs??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 30, 2016, 01:44:07 PM
They've only ever won 1 playoff series in their history. People here try not to get too carried away with things as Toronto sports teams usually let them down in the worst ways imaginable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 30, 2016, 05:23:33 PM
Three teams can win the title; the Warriors, Spurs and Cavs and really it's the Warriors' to lose. Toronto have been decent for a few seasons and have some good players in Lowry and DeRozan, both of whom were all stars this year. Unfortunately, they don't have a hope of beating the Cavs over seven games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on March 30, 2016, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 30, 2016, 05:23:33 PM
Three teams can win the title; the Warriors, Spurs and Cavs and really it's the Warriors' to lose. Toronto have been decent for a few seasons and have some good players in Lowry and DeRozan, both of whom were all stars this year. Unfortunately, they don't have a hope of beating the Cavs over seven games.

I don't see the Cav's having a chance against the Spurs or Warriors. The only way they are in the equation is cause they can't meet either of them until the finals.

Warriors seem to stumbling along at the minute, not really setting the world a light. This Bulls record is taking it's toll, whilst Pop rests all his starters and they'll be raring to go in the play offs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on March 31, 2016, 02:43:14 AM
Quote from: declan85 on March 30, 2016, 12:06:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 30, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
I was rereading a few old discussions on this thread. I think this is one of, if not the, best threads on the board for debate and discussion. It rarely gets personal or defensive, and I suppose a lot of that is because a lot of people are interested, but not a whole lot are emotionally invested the way we are with our GAA teams etc. Mind you, I would put my allegiance to the Cardinals up quite high :)

MLB season is just around the corner as well as March Madness Final Four. We actually have a 10 seed (Syracuse) in the final four as 3 of the 4 #1 seeds were knocked out at the elite 8 stage. Kansas fell to #2 Villanova, Oregon were handled by #2 Oklahoma, and Syracuse took care of Virginia. Only North Carolina remain as a #1 seed, having beaten Notre Dame in the elite 8.

UNC play Syracuse and Oklahoma play Villanova in the final four, and the championship game will be on Monday. My money's on Oklahoma at this stage I think.

Baseball spring training is drawing to a close, and Opening Day is officially April 3rd, with the Cardinals playing the Pirates, the Rays and the Blue Jays, and the champion Royals against the runner up from 2015, the New York Mets.

It's always a nice feeling when Baseball starts up, as it's a real sign of summer coming down the road, so go Diamondbacks!

I think im going to give the fantasy baseball a go this year, I can barely name any players outside of the Blue Jays so it'll be a difficult learning experience.
Has anyone else done it before? Any tips?

I've done it. Bit of a slog but it depends how involved you want to be. Constantly waiting for players to become available to trade is a pain. Good points as well. Gives you an interest in other teams that you may not have had.

Can't wait for the new season. Contemplating buying mlb.tv as most streams are brutal. Go Cubs Go!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 02, 2016, 10:39:03 PM
Kaepernick to the Broncos, and they thought Manning was inaccurate  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 03, 2016, 01:20:14 AM
Nova just blew out Oklahoma. More than 40 points. Didnt see that coming. Nor did anyone else.
Holy crap!

Now i dont think Syracuse have a prayer, but after that anything is possible. As an Armagh man, go Orange!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 03, 2016, 05:13:50 AM
Unc too big, too strong.
Should be an interesting match up for the final. Unc by 2 is the early spread
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 05, 2016, 12:42:09 AM
One of life's simple pleasures is listening to a radio baseball commentary when it's done by a really good commentator, and one of the best, vin scully, is starting his last season as the Dodgers play by play man. He's an absolute pleasure to listen to. If you get a chance, listen to him before he goes away. I don't even like the Dodgers but I've always loved listening to him. A bit of an American Micheal o muircheartaigh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on April 05, 2016, 02:16:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 05, 2016, 12:42:09 AM
One of life's simple pleasures is listening to a radio baseball commentary when it's done by a really good commentator, and one of the best, vin scully, is starting his last season as the Dodgers play by play man. He's an absolute pleasure to listen to. If you get a chance, listen to him before he goes away. I don't even like the Dodgers but I've always loved listening to him. A bit of an American Micheal o muircheartaigh.

Well said.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2016, 04:28:36 AM
What a game that was!
big onions everywhere
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on April 05, 2016, 04:30:01 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2016, 04:28:36 AM
What a game that was!
big onions everywhere

Two GREAT shots!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2016, 04:31:21 AM
Carolina shot was outrageous
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 05, 2016, 04:52:39 AM
Epic finish. Straight out of the movies!

Big smooth indeed!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 05, 2016, 06:16:17 AM
That Jenkins guy is getting laid tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 05, 2016, 08:46:50 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 05, 2016, 06:16:17 AM
That Jenkins guy is getting laid tonight
And the next night and the next night. What a finish - the university is only a few miles from our plant in PA so I know a lot of people in the area and it's a fantastic story. Disney movie ending.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 05, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
the reaction inside Villanova's arena

https://twitter.com/shatkusp/status/717198361493901313
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 06, 2016, 06:30:10 AM
Really inexplicable loss by the Warriors at home to the Timberwolves tonight and have now lost two of their last three at home having won their previous 54.

In order to break the Bulls' record they now need to win all four of their final games, which includes two games against the Spurs, one of them in San Antonio where the Spurs haven't lost all season...

Be very interesting to see of this push for the record hurts the Warriors in the playoffs as they're starting to look very tired.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dferg on April 06, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
No guarantee of first place yet.  If they lose tomorrow against Spurs you would have to fancy them to lose in San Antonio and then the Grizzlies games will get interesting.  A win tomorrow and they have first place and could rest there starters for a good part of the last 3 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 06, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: dferg on April 06, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
No guarantee of first place yet.  If they lose tomorrow against Spurs you would have to fancy them to lose in San Antonio and then the Grizzlies games will get interesting.  A win tomorrow and they have first place and could rest there starters for a good part of the last 3 games.

Nah, they'll be fine. San Antonio have some tough games as well and Pop won't give a shit able chasing an unlikely first place at expense of health of the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dferg on April 06, 2016, 02:55:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 06, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
Quote from: dferg on April 06, 2016, 12:51:07 PM
No guarantee of first place yet.  If they lose tomorrow against Spurs you would have to fancy them to lose in San Antonio and then the Grizzlies games will get interesting.  A win tomorrow and they have first place and could rest there starters for a good part of the last 3 games.

Nah, they'll be fine. San Antonio have some tough games as well and Pop won't give a shit able chasing an unlikely first place at expense of health of the team.
You are right though they would probably like to win 1 more game just to be sure.  Win 1 game then give the starters some bench time, maybe they can still get the record doing that but if not no big deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 06, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
But if they win on Thursday the record is still on, so i can't see them resting anyone. Even if they lose they can tie the record plus I'm sure they will want to try and end the Spurs home record as well. Pop must be loving all this record chasing.

Last nights games was awful. To throw away a 15 point lead is inexcusable against a that team. Saying that if that young Timberwolves team sticks together for the forseable future that have a bright future in front on them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 06, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
I mean the Spurs will be happy to rest people - Pop has shown before how much he values rest and he'll care much more about keeping everybody fit then trying to deny the Dubs the record. He's already chucked several games this season.

On the other hand, the warriors are practically obliged to shoot for the record which means having the starters out grinding away for 35-40 mins a night right the way up to the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on April 11, 2016, 02:32:17 AM
Warriors beat Spurs equalling the Bulls 72 wins and ending the Spurs unbeaten home record.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 11, 2016, 05:21:19 AM
Quote from: dec on April 11, 2016, 02:32:17 AM
Warriors beat Spurs equalling the Bulls 72 wins and ending the Spurs unbeaten home record.

Curry really stepped it up after been inconsistent recently. It's also the first time the Warriors beat them there since 96 or 97 so nice to get that monkey off their back before a potential match up in the Western finals.

Last up Memphis to break the record, who are missing their best players but who should've beat them last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 11, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 11, 2016, 05:21:19 AM
Quote from: dec on April 11, 2016, 02:32:17 AM
Warriors beat Spurs equalling the Bulls 72 wins and ending the Spurs unbeaten home record.

Curry really stepped it up after been inconsistent recently. It's also the first time the Warriors beat them there since 96 or 97 so nice to get that monkey off their back before a potential match up in the Western finals.

Last up Memphis to break the record, who are missing their best players but who should've beat them last night.

This record means absolutely nothing if they fail to nail down the title, San Antonio will give them their fill.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 11, 2016, 02:31:25 PM
Quote from: stew on April 11, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 11, 2016, 05:21:19 AM
Quote from: dec on April 11, 2016, 02:32:17 AM
Warriors beat Spurs equalling the Bulls 72 wins and ending the Spurs unbeaten home record.

Curry really stepped it up after been inconsistent recently. It's also the first time the Warriors beat them there since 96 or 97 so nice to get that monkey off their back before a potential match up in the Western finals.

Last up Memphis to break the record, who are missing their best players but who should've beat them last night.

This record means absolutely nothing if they fail to nail down the title, San Antonio will give them their fill.

Obviously...as Kerr said records are broken but championships last forever but it would be nice to do both and beat the best teams ever record. The warriors are still sore from the negative media they received last post season I.e. Not having to play the clippers or Spurs and then playing the Cav's with no Love or Irving and being deemed lucky. Beating the Bulls record and winning another championship will ram that back down there throats and some
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 14, 2016, 06:08:44 AM
Well Warriors beat the record and it's all overshadowed by Kobe hitting 60 in his last game...that lakers game was unbelievable!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 14, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 14, 2016, 06:08:44 AM
Well Warriors beat the record and it's all overshadowed by Kobe hitting 60 in his last game...that lakers game was unbelievable!!!!

I read he took 50 attempts lol. An all time great and, like Jordan, driven by absolute will to win but he should have retired three years ago. The Lakers were idiotic with the superstar contract they gave him a few years ago and now with his 25m salary off the books, they can finally look at re-building. As one of the most storied teams in NBA history, they've largely been a joke for the last few years and a lot of that has been down to indulging Kobe. Still though, 60 points in the final game of a 20 year career ain't too shabby!

As for the Dubs, after the losses against Boston and Minnesota, that was very impressive the way they won out to break the record, especially becoming the only team to beat the Spurs at home this season. Hopefully all that record breaking (Curry hit ten 3's last night to go past 400 for the year!) hasn't taken too much out of them as we should be in for an all time classic Western finals with them against the Spurs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 14, 2016, 01:19:31 PM
Memphis were brutal last night too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
Massive trade in the NFL today. The Rams are all in on getting a QB it looks like, but it's a bit strange because they've given away a pile of picks to get to number 1, when they may have been able to pick up a decent QB at their original slot of 15. Will this mean Wentz or Goff will go #1 now? What happens to Joey Bosa or Tunsil?

Rams trade up to acquire No. 1 pick from Titans

By Conor Orr NFL.com
Around The NFL Writer
Published: April 14, 2016 at 09:05 a.m. Updated: April 14, 2016 at 09:24 a.m.
The Tennessee Titans have agreed to terms to trade the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft to the Los Angeles Rams.

In a stunning development that shakes up the top of the leaderboard and almost definitely gives the Rams their next quarterback of the future, the Titans ended the day with an impressive stable of picks. The Rams came up farther (No. 15) than any team in NFL history to acquire the No. 1 pick and that came at a steep price.

Tennessee gets: Rams first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016) third-round pick (2016), first-round pick (2017), third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Titans first overall pick (2016), Titans fourth-round pick (2016), Titans sixth-round pick (2016).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 14, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
That is a LOT to give up for any player coming out. Are any of the QBs really worth that much?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 14, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 14, 2016, 03:40:06 PM
That is a LOT to give up for any player coming out. Are any of the QBs really worth that much?!

I don't think so, especially as it's not a bad class all in all, QB wise. I don't think there's a Winston or Mariotta there though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 14, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 14, 2016, 02:35:52 PM
Massive trade in the NFL today. The Rams are all in on getting a QB it looks like, but it's a bit strange because they've given away a pile of picks to get to number 1, when they may have been able to pick up a decent QB at their original slot of 15. Will this mean Wentz or Goff will go #1 now? What happens to Joey Bosa or Tunsil?

Rams trade up to acquire No. 1 pick from Titans

By Conor Orr NFL.com
Around The NFL Writer
Published: April 14, 2016 at 09:05 a.m. Updated: April 14, 2016 at 09:24 a.m.
The Tennessee Titans have agreed to terms to trade the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft to the Los Angeles Rams.

In a stunning development that shakes up the top of the leaderboard and almost definitely gives the Rams their next quarterback of the future, the Titans ended the day with an impressive stable of picks. The Rams came up farther (No. 15) than any team in NFL history to acquire the No. 1 pick and that came at a steep price.

Tennessee gets: Rams first-round pick (2016), two second-round picks (2016) third-round pick (2016), first-round pick (2017), third-round pick (2017).

Rams get: Titans first overall pick (2016), Titans fourth-round pick (2016), Titans sixth-round pick (2016).

Looks like they will take Goff at #1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 14, 2016, 07:33:17 PM
Far too much to give up. Awful for the Rams, great for the Titans!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on April 15, 2016, 01:08:36 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 14, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 14, 2016, 06:08:44 AM
Well Warriors beat the record and it's all overshadowed by Kobe hitting 60 in his last game...that lakers game was unbelievable!!!!

I read he took 50 attempts lol. An all time great and, like Jordan, driven by absolute will to win but he should have retired three years ago. The Lakers were idiotic with the superstar contract they gave him a few years ago and now with his 25m salary off the books, they can finally look at re-building. As one of the most storied teams in NBA history, they've largely been a joke for the last few years and a lot of that has been down to indulging Kobe. Still though, 60 points in the final game of a 20 year career ain't too shabby!

With Ronaldo's hat-trick on Tuesday it's been a hell of a week for sport's two greatest narcissists. They just showed a re-run on BT there of the Lakers game and it was hard watching. The celebs, the fawning commentators and the refs who certainly weren't going to spoil the party - Before Kobe received the inbound pass to be fouled for the free-throws that took him to 60, he gave his defender the most blatant push you could ever see, safe in the knowledge that no-one was going to call a foul against him at his party. It didn't feel like real sport to me, (regular season NBA often doesn't) a bit of a pantomime with a WWE feel to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on April 16, 2016, 08:33:03 PM
Super win for the Pacers. The Raptors game 1 woes continue. Paul George was immense in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 20, 2016, 06:56:08 PM
So now the Eagles have traded for the Browns #2 draft pick. Head scratching stuff from the Browns as usual.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 20, 2016, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 20, 2016, 06:56:08 PM
So now the Eagles have traded for the Browns #2 draft pick. Head scratching stuff from the Browns as usual.
Head scratching stuff from the Eagles I'd say. This years QB's are not worth the picks being given up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 20, 2016, 07:22:58 PM
If RG3 fails again and pick number 2 is a franchise QB, Jackson will be out of a job in Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 20, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
If RG3 fails again Cleveland will have another high first round pick next year along with the one the Eagles are giving them and plenty more picks to draft another QB.
The 2nd pick being a franchise QB is a very big IF. There are no Andrew Lucks in this draft where you can be confident they will be good franchise QBs.

I think the Browns did the right thing for once.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 20, 2016, 10:33:42 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 20, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
If RG3 fails again Cleveland will have another high first round pick next year along with the one the Eagles are giving them and plenty more picks to draft another QB.
The 2nd pick being a franchise QB is a very big IF. There are no Andrew Lucks in this draft where you can be confident they will be good franchise QBs.

I think the Browns did the right thing for once.

I just think there comes a time when you stop "stockpiling draft picks" and pick a QB and build round him. You can't win in the NFL without a QB. It always seems to be about next year with the Browns. They obviously wanted Goff, and when the Rams traded up they weren't interested in Wentz but they haven't exactly been great at evaluating QBs and drafting them, going back to Couch in '99.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 23, 2016, 02:28:29 PM
If you have lots of draft picks you can use them in a trade for a proven commodity if you don't trust your judgement in picking a QB at the top of the first round. The Browns need a lot more than a QB. And while you need a QB to win in the NFL you don't have to have a hall of famer. The Browns were decent with Hoyer at the helm not long ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 25, 2016, 04:54:07 PM
So TB12 has been re-suspended

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/25/tom-brady-deflategate-suspension-reinstated-nfl?CMP=twt_a-sport_b-ussports_c-us_g-1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2016, 08:34:55 PM
Curry out for at least two weeks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 25, 2016, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 25, 2016, 08:34:55 PM
Curry out for at least two weeks

They'll most likely still be fine until the conference finals. Clippers might pose them a few difficulties but Griffin isn't close to 100% for them either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 29, 2016, 12:48:23 AM
OK, once again the highlight of the Browns' season--the Draft.  Hope springs eternal once again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2016, 01:46:57 AM
Goff went number one to the Rams as expected with Wentz going to the Eagles. The cowboys took running back Ezekiel Elliot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 29, 2016, 02:24:01 AM
Wow. Three Buckeyes picked in top ten, and my Browns keep moving down and amassing picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2016, 03:06:09 AM
Browns took Corey Coleman at 15, a bit of a reach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 29, 2016, 03:35:47 AM
At least they took a WR this year for a change. Five Buckeyes selected in top 20.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2016, 04:19:16 AM
Miles Jack hasn't been picked yet, down to pick 28.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 29, 2016, 04:21:51 AM
Looks forlorn in the Green Room
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2016, 08:38:02 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 29, 2016, 04:21:51 AM
Looks forlorn in the Green Room

Browns might take him I think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Watched the draft last night again re-enforced my distain towards Neil Reynolds, i dont know why but i cant have the lad. A lot of cloak and dagger stuff with the dolphins finally picking Tunsil at 18. apparantly his estranged step father uploaded a video of him smoking weed from a few years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on April 29, 2016, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2016, 09:59:47 PM
Watched the draft last night again re-enforced my distain towards Neil Reynolds, i dont know why but i cant have the lad. A lot of cloak and dagger stuff with the dolphins finally picking Tunsil at 18. apparantly his estranged step father uploaded a video of him smoking weed from a few years ago.

Read a bit about this today. American behaviour really is mad at times. So much stuff from domestic or even any kind of violence is tolerated and gun laws are nuts but smoke a joint 2 years ago at college and everyone runs a mile. I'd love to see this work out well for the Dolphins as they seem to have cut through the noise, picked the lad on ability and decided that the other stuff simply isn't relevant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2016, 10:25:48 PM
While I'm generally not a fan of Sky's coverage, I think Reynolds is superb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on April 29, 2016, 10:58:04 PM
Gallsman i cant argue against your opinion, he really is factually on the money but i just think he tries to out talk the pro's or american coach's that be on the show.

I really enjoy the NFL but some of the theatrics are astounding. The PC police are always front and centre, okay lets turn a blind eye that 90% of these guys are on PEDs but dont dare smoke a joint or take a trip to vegas. On NFL network they were bumming and blowing how they have no empathy for the lad until his fecking mother came up and gave them a rollicking and they back tracked live on air.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 30, 2016, 04:03:29 PM
Well, the first three rounds of the draft are over, and 10 Buckeyes have been selected.  With that many gone, who's left to play for Ohio State this year?  Thinking about suiting up myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 30, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
This is *potentially* some draft by the Jags
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 30, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 30, 2016, 04:03:29 PM
Well, the first three rounds of the draft are over, and 10 Buckeyes have been selected.  With that many gone, who's left to play for Ohio State this year?  Thinking about suiting up myself.

Doesn't really speak well of the job urban did last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 30, 2016, 06:46:29 PM
Yeah, thought Meyer's play calling against MSU was poor.  No doubt that OSU was certainly one of the top four teams last year.  Wish they could have had a shot at Alabama again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 01, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Jags seem to have had an awesome draft. Very happy on the face of it with da Bears work. Also have signed Hoyer so a decent backup in case Jay goes down/melts down again. The GM and coaching staff seem to be very good though and moving things slowly in the right direction. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: redhandofgod on May 02, 2016, 09:49:24 AM
Hoyer is complete dirt!!!! One of the worst QB's in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 02, 2016, 09:59:44 AM
Hoyer is a perfectly acceptable backup QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 05, 2016, 12:07:04 AM
Warriors make it 2-0 without Curry. Down by 17 at one stage last night but the 4th quarter they blew Portland out of the place. Would be nice to get Curry a few mins under his belt in the next couple of games to get rid of the rustiness. I'd say Warrior win it in 5. OKC Spurs seems it will go to at least 6 games which will be good for Curry's recovery.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 05, 2016, 02:14:30 AM
Cavs set an NBA record scoring 18 3- pointers in the first half against the Hawks. 74-38 at the half.

They end up with 25 3-pointers, an NBA record, regular season or playoff.  In doing so, they eclipse the Warriors' playoff mark, and their stars were out of the game half way through the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 05, 2016, 05:39:25 AM
And Johnny Football is behind bars tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 05, 2016, 09:17:14 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 05, 2016, 05:39:25 AM
And Johnny Football is behind bars tonight

Probably the best place for him. Is it in relation to the assault against his girlfriend?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!

There have been loads of them in baseball but yes, phenomenal stuff from curry. 40 points, almost a triple double off the bench. While rusty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 10, 2016, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!

There have been loads of them in baseball but yes, phenomenal stuff from curry. 40 points, almost a triple double off the bench. While rusty.

It's gonna be some contract next summer for him, *only* making about $12m a year this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 10, 2016, 11:23:20 PM
Thank god he is back, he really is unbelievable.

Hopefully the Spurs- Thunder games go to 7 and Warriors finish the job tomorrow.

Saying that the Cav's have fairly picked up their play recently and will be pretty formidable opponents.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 10, 2016, 11:24:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 10, 2016, 11:19:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!

There have been loads of them in baseball but yes, phenomenal stuff from curry. 40 points, almost a triple double off the bench. While rusty.

It's gonna be some contract next summer for him, *only* making about $12m a year this year

He's something like the 61st best paid player. some of the muppets about him is a joke. Dwight Howard being 4th on the list is one of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2016, 11:33:12 PM
You think that's bad, dig out the story on Google where his endorsement contract with Nike was up for renewal. Looks like an even bigger car crash now than it was then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 11, 2016, 12:04:39 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2016, 11:33:12 PM
You think that's bad, dig out the story on Google where his endorsement contract with Nike was up for renewal. Looks like an even bigger car crash now than it was then.

For Nike or for him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 11, 2016, 02:26:46 AM
For Nike...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 11, 2016, 06:06:55 AM
Basketball is always like this though. Kobe is still the highest paid player this year despite being one of the worst players on one of the worst teams. The second highest paid last year was a guy called Joe Johnson who got a contract worth much more than his value and since then has been genuinely awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 11, 2016, 07:42:36 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 11, 2016, 12:04:39 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 10, 2016, 11:33:12 PM
You think that's bad, dig out the story on Google where his endorsement contract with Nike was up for renewal. Looks like an even bigger car crash now than it was then.

For Nike or for him?
It all went awry at a pitch meeting where Nike was trying to get Curry to re-sign with the brand. ESPN, quoting Curry's father Dell, reports that an executive misstated Stephen Curry's first name. Then, a PowerPoint presentation still featured Durant's name–likely from older materials that were being reused for the Curry talks.

"I stopped paying attention after that," Dell told ESPN. It became evident to him that his son would never reach the top tier at Nike.

http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/nike-stephen-curry-under-armour/ (http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/nike-stephen-curry-under-armour/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 11, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
Incredible stuff from Russell Westbrook last night. He just took the game over and dominated. What an athlete. It's been a brilliant series in what have been, otherwise, extremely drab and predictable playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 11, 2016, 06:24:13 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 11, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
Incredible stuff from Russell Westbrook last night. He just took the game over and dominated. What an athlete. It's been a brilliant series in what have been, otherwise, extremely drab and predictable playoffs.

In him and Durrant they are formidable. If Warriors get through, which they should do I'm not sure who I would want them to play out of the Spurs or OKC. If those 2 fellas are on form you can't do anything to defend them, you just need to outscore them which the Warriors can do but it won't be easy. If those 2 have an off night though they don't have enough in the squad to get them through although Adams & Ibaka are good players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 11, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!

There have been loads of them in baseball but yes, phenomenal stuff from curry. 40 points, almost a triple double off the bench. While rusty.

Has never been one in basketball, he's the first (and only) unanimous winner, surprisingly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 11, 2016, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 11, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!

There have been loads of them in baseball but yes, phenomenal stuff from curry. 40 points, almost a triple double off the bench. While rusty.

Has never been one in basketball, he's the first (and only) unanimous winner, surprisingly.

I know, but you said only the third unanimous MVP ever, which he's not if you look at baseball, which is one of the big four major leagues.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 11, 2016, 09:11:02 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 11, 2016, 06:24:13 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 11, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
Incredible stuff from Russell Westbrook last night. He just took the game over and dominated. What an athlete. It's been a brilliant series in what have been, otherwise, extremely drab and predictable playoffs.

In him and Durrant they are formidable. If Warriors get through, which they should do I'm not sure who I would want them to play out of the Spurs or OKC. If those 2 fellas are on form you can't do anything to defend them, you just need to outscore them which the Warriors can do but it won't be easy. If those 2 have an off night though they don't have enough in the squad to get them through although Adams & Ibaka are good players.
I've been impressed with Adams too. Zero skill but he's a huge man and gives it everything. Throws himself into every rebound. I've been disappointed with Ibaka, though. He's been fairly peripheral in the games I've seen
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 11, 2016, 09:51:19 PM
Kanter has been the real shock/surprise towards the end of the season and in the playoffs. I've never seen him look this hungry.

The Thunder's problem is that if Westbrook produces anything other than all out attack for 48 mins, the Spurs can get to him and allow Kawhi to do a job on Durant.

Going to bravely call the Spurs will still pull it out of the bag.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 11, 2016, 09:57:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2016, 09:51:19 PM
Kanter has been the real shock/surprise towards the end of the season and in the playoffs. I've never seen him look this hungry.

The Thunder's problem is that if Westbrook produces anything other than all out attack for 48 mins, the Spurs can get to him and allow Kawhi to do a job on Durant.

Going to bravely call the Spurs will still pull it out of the bag.

And I think that's OKC's biggest issue, Westbrook and Durrant can't play for 48 mins so can there bench keep them in it til they get their rest? I don't know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: vertigonights on May 11, 2016, 10:09:34 PM
Cavs look good, Love is playing really well at the minute. Dwyane Wade has been brillant in the playoffs, hope the Heat go to the east finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on May 11, 2016, 11:01:53 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 11, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
Incredible stuff from Russell Westbrook last night. He just took the game over and dominated. What an athlete. It's been a brilliant series in what have been, otherwise, extremely drab and predictable playoffs.

I think this is why the NFL has kicked the ass of the other top sports (NBA NHL) in the USA in modern times as these play offs are meaningless for the most part, they are from a bygone era when families crowded round radios or waited for the morning papers. The one game play-off is way more exciting and can throw up major surprises. Baseball is slightly different as the pitching rosters come into play and the match ups are very important.

Not a huge BB fan but have been keeping an eye on it this year mainly due to sleep deprivation but have really enjoyed Curry's pure excellence of talent. It doesnt feel like a repeat attempt it feels like this is the season where they actually prove themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 12, 2016, 07:56:15 AM
Curry coming up clutch again. That last 3 pointer to win it was outrageous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 12, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 11, 2016, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 11, 2016, 06:34:29 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 10, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 10, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
Steph Curry wins unanimous MVP, only 3rd unanimous MVP ever with Gretzky and Tom Brady.

He put on some show last night in OT vs Portland!

There have been loads of them in baseball but yes, phenomenal stuff from curry. 40 points, almost a triple double off the bench. While rusty.

Has never been one in basketball, he's the first (and only) unanimous winner, surprisingly.

I know, but you said only the third unanimous MVP ever, which he's not if you look at baseball, which is one of the big four major leagues.
Ah, missed the baseball bit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 13, 2016, 06:19:09 AM
OKC overcome the Spurs pretty easily tonight to set up the Western finals v Warriors. Think it's going to be a close one maybe 6 or even 7 games. Should be some great games and individual performances
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 13, 2016, 06:47:09 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2016, 06:19:09 AM
OKC overcome the Spurs pretty easily tonight to set up the Western finals v Warriors. Think it's going to be a close one maybe 6 or even 7 games. Should be some great games and individual performances

That's absolutely huge for OKC given the battle they face to hang onto Durant. Didn't think anyone other than spurs could stop the Warriors but both the thunder and cavs look very, very good.

Hesitant to say this as it's tried plenty of people up before but it really is difficult to see what the spurs have left. Duncan is finally done, Manu has nothing left either and Parker has looked waaaaaay off the pace in the playoffs. Then again, it's the spurs, so who knows.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 13, 2016, 08:07:06 PM
not sure i'd agree with you on Parker, he played a one man press almost the whole game on Westbrook last night, coast to coast the entire night forced a few turnovers, drew offensive fouls, his o was significantly better with Duncan on the court though. Manu was not at himself at all and faded fast these playoffs. Given the regular season they had, I'd say Duncan will take the 1 year extension.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 23, 2016, 11:52:40 PM
Surely Draymond will have to get a suspension, though himself and his coach are claiming there was no intent.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT4uQd4sq5dTMX860U/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 24, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
Draymond got off. Madness, especially as a Cavs bench player got a one game ban for the exact same thing.

Very surprised to see the Raptors tie up the series 2-2.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 24, 2016, 05:19:32 PM
Yeah that is a clear banning incident, very lucky to get away with it.

Warriors up against it now, lose tonight and they are done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 24, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Durant had this to say
"I didn't even think it was something we should be talking about. They're not gonna suspend Draymond Green," Durant said. "He's one of the premier players in the league on arguably one of the best teams in the history of the game. They're not gonna suspend him.

"I didn't even really think about it. I knew the league was gonna let him play or fine him or upgrade him to a Flagrant 2. We all knew that was gonna happen. The league is about business."

It does seem crooked. Curry is the league's global superstar(most popular player in China, too) and they'll be hoping he gets to the finals and that LeBron gets there too. A one-game ban for Green would have seriously reduced the likelihood of that big box-office match-up. Personally, I find Westbrook to be the most compelling player in the league, but anyway this decision reminds me of the time FIFA changed what was supposed to be an unseeded play-off draw to a seeded one, when faced with the possibility of Ronaldo's Portugal and France not qualifying.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 24, 2016, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 24, 2016, 05:19:32 PM
Yeah that is a clear banning incident, very lucky to get away with it.

Warriors up against it now, lose tonight and they are done.

I don think so, this is a seven game series and they are two one down right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 24, 2016, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: stew on May 24, 2016, 08:37:09 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 24, 2016, 05:19:32 PM
Yeah that is a clear banning incident, very lucky to get away with it.

Warriors up against it now, lose tonight and they are done.

I don think so, this is a seven game series and they are two one down right?

Yeah you are right, I just don't see them wining the final 3 if they lose tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 25, 2016, 04:39:49 AM
Warriors awful again tonight. Need to win 3 in a row now. Can they do it yes, but with the performances in the last 2 there is very little evidence they will pull this off. Hope I'm wrong but something just doesnt seem right with them at the minute, probably epitomized by Green and Currys recent performances.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: grantwool on May 25, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Why do I feel that OKC will get it in Game 5? Warriors should stop being complacent that they'll gonna win every game. They need action!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 25, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: grantwool on May 25, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
Why do I feel that OKC will get it in Game 5? Warriors should stop being complacent that they'll gonna win every game. They need action!

Warriors haven't shown anything yet that suggests they're capable of winning a game in OKC.

If they manage to do it, and subsequently win out, it will be a much greater achievement that the 73 wins as the Thunder are absolutely on fire at the minute.

Assuming Cleveland still manage to win the East, the Finals should be absolutely fantastic regardless of which of them makes it from the West.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 25, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
Personally speaking I would love to see the Cavaliers win the thing, the people of Cleveland are such fantastic fans but have not had a winner in eons.

The only city that cones close is Buffalo in that regard.

Curry and Co are done, their great season means nNothing if they don't kick on and win the title, it also hurts curry in the Jordan conversation.

The best possible combination in the finals is the caves v okc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 25, 2016, 03:29:38 PM
I personally hope the Raptors win  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on May 25, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
I wonder has the Warriors efforts in the regular season getting to 73 finally caught up with them. Most teams pace themselves, managing the minutes played for their main guys, knowing that they will be expected to carry a heavier load in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 25, 2016, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: dec on May 25, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
I wonder has the Warriors efforts in the regular season getting to 73 finally caught up with them. Most teams pace themselves, managing the minutes played for their main guys, knowing that they will be expected to carry a heavier load in the playoffs.

Could be but the Spurs as always manage their minutes and didn't do them much good. Think it's just a combo of the OKC hitting form and Warriors being out of sorts due to Curry injury/lack of form, Green's poor performances and the bench not doing a whole pile.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 26, 2016, 06:04:06 AM
San Jose Sharks make the Stanley cup for the first time in their 25 year history. Really been a great story as they missed so many times in the past and this team missed the Playoffs last season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 29, 2016, 05:56:35 AM
Wow what a game that was. Massive performance from the warriors and in particular Thompson. Back to Oakland on Monday night for the glory, whoever wins it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 29, 2016, 11:11:42 AM
Huge performance from Thompson when needed. Game 7 should be brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 29, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Phenomenal stuff alright. As an OKC fan who has them backed at 16/1 for the title, I was disappointed, but you had to admire the greatness of Klay, and to a lesser degree Steph. There were so many of those shots that Thompson made in the 4th when they were behind, where you felt like, if he missed any of them, OKC had it, but he kept making them, and looked mentally unbreakable.

When know-it-all Bill Simmons said a couple of days ago, that OKC were definitely going to win, I was worried. Hope they can make a game of it in the last one, but I fear that the Warriors are back  in their groove, and will blow them away in game 7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on May 30, 2016, 03:33:04 PM
Crazy day for Bay Area sports teams. The Sharks play in their first ever Stanley cup game this evening at 5pm and the Dubs play Game 7 against OKC.
The Sharks will be up against it vs Sidney and a skillful Pittsburgh team but with Burns, Pavelski, and and Thornton I'm hoping that balance and depth will win it. Either way the athomsphere will be great.
I'm hoping that the Warriors broke OKC on Saturday night. They way Klay kept them in the game until Curry got his mojo back was unreal. OKC have been very good this post season so this game can go either way.
Will be a fun night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 30, 2016, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on May 30, 2016, 03:33:04 PM
Crazy day for Bay Area sports teams. The Sharks play in their first ever Stanley cup game this evening at 5pm and the Dubs play Game 7 against OKC.
The Sharks will be up against it vs Sidney and a skillful Pittsburgh team but with Burns, Pavelski, and and Thornton I'm hoping that balance and depth will win it. Either way the athomsphere will be great.
I'm hoping that the Warriors broke OKC on Saturday night. They way Klay kept them in the game until Curry got his mojo back was unreal. OKC have been very good this post season so this game can go either way.
Will be a fun night.

That's the difference - if Curry is slightly off and Klay is hot and raining down fire (as he has been all postseason), the Warriors will ride the hot hand. If KD and, particularly, Westbrook are slightly off, the Thunder will keep going to them and let them shoot bricks. What's more, the two lads will never think about changing things.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 31, 2016, 03:53:07 AM
Thunder just quit in q3. From 13 up to 11 down. Game over. Under pressure instead of fighting back they fought themselves and the refs. Not pretty. Warriors are ridiculous from downtown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on May 31, 2016, 04:06:44 AM
Quote from: heganboy on May 31, 2016, 03:53:07 AM
Thunder just quit in q3. From 13 up to 11 down. Game over. Under pressure instead of fighting back they fought themselves and the refs. Not pretty. Warriors are ridiculous from downtown.

And the refs? Seriously? Your going down that route
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 31, 2016, 03:48:52 PM
Not sure what your objection is there Portmor, but from about half way through q3 they started yapping and moaning at each other- heads were down, yapped about every call and non call to the refs. Look at when westbrook and curry got called together for the chat. The difference in demeanor and the cajoling of each other by the GSW and the OKC guys bitched each other out at every turn. Westbrook tried to win it on his own, but KD was in and out in the second half. When GSW are on that no center offense its great watching. The D got some great turnovers too. Was surprised to see OKC coming back as much as they did in Q4 but the damage was done by then.

Could be the makings of a great finals series- both teams playing great. Lebron at 6 finals in a row with 2 different teams- thats very very impressive. Can he bring Cleveland their first title this year? The bookies say no, GSW are comfortable favorites, I just don't think it'll be as easy a run as they think...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on May 31, 2016, 04:30:31 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 31, 2016, 03:48:52 PM
Not sure what your objection is there Portmor, but from about half way through q3 they started yapping and moaning at each other- heads were down, yapped about every call and non call to the refs. Look at when westbrook and curry got called together for the chat. The difference in demeanor and the cajoling of each other by the GSW and the OKC guys bitched each other out at every turn. Westbrook tried to win it on his own, but KD was in and out in the second half. When GSW are on that no center offense its great watching. The D got some great turnovers too. Was surprised to see OKC coming back as much as they did in Q4 but the damage was done by then.

Could be the makings of a great finals series- both teams playing great. Lebron at 6 finals in a row with 2 different teams- thats very very impressive. Can he bring Cleveland their first title this year? The bookies say no, GSW are comfortable favorites, I just don't think it'll be as easy a run as they think...

Sorry I misread your comment, I thought u meant that OKC had to fight against the refs as well as the Warriors. Finals should be great, could be another game 7 on the cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on May 31, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
Not sure if this belongs in this thread or the What the F thread.

I went to Yankee Stadium yesterday to watch NYCFC vs Orlando City. David Villa took this penalty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElwepirsVno
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on May 31, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
Quote from: dec on May 31, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
Not sure if this belongs in this thread or the What the F thread.

I went to Yankee Stadium yesterday to watch NYCFC vs Orlando City. David Villa took this penalty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElwepirsVno

I was watching it on Sky, it's right up there in the annals of terrible penalties  ;D

Justice was done by the way as it wasn't a peno. Lampard also got a 'mixed' reception when he came on something I noticed last week too, wonder what that's all about??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
Prob about the incident after 9/11, when Chelsea players got drunk and messy in a hotel in which some Americans were staying, and the latter took offence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 31, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Quote from: heganboy on May 31, 2016, 03:53:07 AM
Thunder just quit in q3. From 13 up to 11 down. Game over. Under pressure instead of fighting back they fought themselves and the refs. Not pretty. Warriors are ridiculous from downtown.

Yeah I was getting stressed out during the 2nd quarter when OKC were up double figures but they just fell away in the 3rd. I was surprised as well they got back into it but then Curry put them to the sword.

Next up the Cav's, going to be a deadly series. Warriors are slight favorites in my opinion but the Cav's have looked good in the play offs so far, so I'd say it will go at least 6 if not 7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 01, 2016, 01:06:25 AM
Paddy Power has Golden State at 5/12 and the Cavs at 2/1.  Certainly a rough road with four games at the Oracle, but if Armagh can win an All-Ireland, then Cleveland's turn has to come at some time. Maybe this year. GSW are formidable, but this is a stronger Cavs squad than contested last year's championship.  Love can't disappear like he did against the Raptors.  So, emerging from a proud history of losing, I'm hopeful we can shock the favorites, and what a story of redemption for LBJ after the infamous "Decision."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on June 01, 2016, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: Boycey on May 31, 2016, 08:14:52 PM
Quote from: dec on May 31, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
Not sure if this belongs in this thread or the What the F thread.

I went to Yankee Stadium yesterday to watch NYCFC vs Orlando City. David Villa took this penalty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElwepirsVno

I was watching it on Sky, it's right up there in the annals of terrible penalties  ;D

Justice was done by the way as it wasn't a peno. Lampard also got a 'mixed' reception when he came on something I noticed last week too, wonder what that's all about??
Lampard is being paid a fortune and has missed a heap of games with niggly injuries and has been very quick to declare himself unavailable for games.
Then in interviews when injured he was talking about getting fit to get a loan deal back in England, rather than getting fit to play with his club.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 12:41:49 PM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 31, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
Prob about the incident after 9/11, when Chelsea players got drunk and messy in a hotel in which some Americans were staying, and the latter took offence.

It's not that at all

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/timeline-shows-frank-lampard-the-7948198
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 01, 2016, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: stew on May 25, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
Personally speaking I would love to see the Cavaliers win the thing, the people of Cleveland are such fantastic fans but have not had a winner in eons.

The only city that cones close is Buffalo in that regard.

Curry and Co are done, their great season means nNothing if they don't kick on and win the title, it also hurts curry in the Jordan conversation.

The best possible combination in the finals is the caves v okc.

What Jordan conversation????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 01:15:42 PM
100 days to NFL Kickoff!

and 95 days to Georgia Tech v Boston College in D'Aviva.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
Great read from one of the GOAT

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-6-1-ken-griffey-jr-mariners-best-play-i-ever-made%E2%80%8B/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2016, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
Great read from one of the GOAT

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-6-1-ken-griffey-jr-mariners-best-play-i-ever-made%E2%80%8B/

It's amazing how all these top stars who right for TPT are capable of really good prose, isn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2016, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
Great read from one of the GOAT

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-6-1-ken-griffey-jr-mariners-best-play-i-ever-made%E2%80%8B/

It's amazing how all these top stars who right write for TPT are capable of really good prose, isn't it?  ;)

Like some posters here  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 02, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 04:51:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2016, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
Great read from one of the GOAT

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-6-1-ken-griffey-jr-mariners-best-play-i-ever-made%E2%80%8B/

It's amazing how all these top stars who right write for TPT are capable of really good prose, isn't it?  ;)

Like some posters here  ;D

Christ, that's an embarrassing one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 03, 2016, 12:35:18 AM
Technically, I believe that Anderson Varejao is eligible for an NBA championship ring whether the Warriors or Cavs win.  He played for the Cavs for over 12 years but was traded to Portland this year, and then to Golden State.  If the Cavs pull the upset, should he accept the ring?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2016, 01:13:24 AM
Cavs in 6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 07:08:04 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 03, 2016, 01:13:24 AM
Cavs in 6

No chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 03, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
The Splash Brothers only score 20 and they still win by 15. Doesn't bode well for the series. The sweep might be good value at 6/1. Eastern Conference is relatively, very weak.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 03, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
The Splash Brothers only score 20 and they still win by 15. Doesn't bode well for the series. The sweep might be good value at 6/1. Eastern Conference is relatively, very weak.

They won't sweep them for one reason - LeBron.

Love actually played quite well, so it's really difficult to see how they can make the leap required.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on June 03, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 01:15:42 PM


and 95 days to Georgia Tech v Boston College in D'Aviva.
Loved my college football experience at Baylor v SMU last year so going to try again with a small Alabama college on our way through Mobile AL in September.  South Alabama Jaguars v Georgia Southern. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 03, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 01:15:42 PM


and 95 days to Georgia Tech v Boston College in D'Aviva.
Loved my college football experience at Baylor v SMU last year so going to try again with a small Alabama college on our way through Mobile AL in September.  South Alabama Jaguars v Georgia Southern.

Nobody is enjoying the college football experience at Baylor these days...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on June 03, 2016, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 03, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 01:15:42 PM


and 95 days to Georgia Tech v Boston College in D'Aviva.
Loved my college football experience at Baylor v SMU last year so going to try again with a small Alabama college on our way through Mobile AL in September.  South Alabama Jaguars v Georgia Southern.

Nobody is enjoying the college football experience at Baylor these days...
I don't even understand what you mean - I just loved the whole experience at a small college (SMU), them running an actual mini mustang horse across the field each time SMU scored, the band, being at the recording of College Game Day that morning etc.  Was so much better than the NFL game we went to a week later at San Diego. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
The football team have been alleged to have perpetrated several sexual assaults on women on campus, and the head coach, and other authority figures (including police) ignored/covered it up. All holy hell has broken out, and the Head Coach has been fired, the Athletics Director has been 'reassigned' back down to lecturer. There's a serious fear that the whole football program may be suspended.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 01:56:43 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 03, 2016, 01:49:37 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on June 03, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 01, 2016, 01:15:42 PM


and 95 days to Georgia Tech v Boston College in D'Aviva.
Loved my college football experience at Baylor v SMU last year so going to try again with a small Alabama college on our way through Mobile AL in September.  South Alabama Jaguars v Georgia Southern.

Nobody is enjoying the college football experience at Baylor these days...
I don't even understand what you mean - I just loved the whole experience at a small college (SMU), them running an actual mini mustang horse across the field each time SMU scored, the band, being at the recording of College Game Day that morning etc.  Was so much better than the NFL game we went to a week later at San Diego.

Was using your aptly timed post to segue into a story that we haven't mentioned here. Baylor's football program is in the depths of a sexual abuse scandal by players that was, at best, ignored by coaches and the university's administration. The coach was sacked during the week and the President of the university (Ken Starr, of Blowjobgate fame) has had his responsibilities reduced.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2016, 01:57:28 PM
This is all at Baylor by the way, not SMU. Although coincidentally the SMU football team was kicked out of the NCAA due to repeated violations years ago, and is really only making it's way back to where it was.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 03, 2016, 01:57:28 PM
This is all at Baylor by the way, not SMU. Although coincidentally the SMU football team was kicked out of the NCAA due to repeated violations years ago, and is really only making it's way back to where it was.

There's a billiant 30 for 30 on that. Was at the tail-end of the 80s I think? Really shows what the "death penalty" can do to a program.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2016, 02:04:37 PM
1987. The never even made a bowl game (a winning season) until 2009!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
I read on ESPN that several of their top incoming recruits have asked to be released from their letters of intent, including a top QB. Would be seriously bad PR for Baylor to try and hold people to anything in light of what's happened. If all football actually gets cancelled, then it's not a huge stretch to imagine how it would affect them for a decade or more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 03, 2016, 02:31:32 PM
Also Baylor had a basketball scandal a few years ago which resulted in high profile resignation/firings and NCAA sanctions. This could be very bad for Baylor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 03, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
Baylor were on the cusp of national titles. Threw it all away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 03, 2016, 07:22:16 PM
That Warriors Cav's game was a weird one. Livingstone (who was brilliant) got the same points as Curry & Thompson combined. Iguodala and Barbosa also had great games. Hard to see the splash bro's being that bad again but then doubt if the bench will be as good again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 03, 2016, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 01, 2016, 01:10:56 PM
Quote from: stew on May 25, 2016, 11:54:33 AM
Personally speaking I would love to see the Cavaliers win the thing, the people of Cleveland are such fantastic fans but have not had a winner in eons.

The only city that cones close is Buffalo in that regard.

Curry and Co are done, their great season means nNothing if they don't kick on and win the title, it also hurts curry in the Jordan conversation.

The best possible combination in the finals is the caves v okc.

What Jordan conversation????

A very short one !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 06, 2016, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 03, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
The Splash Brothers only score 20 and they still win by 15. Doesn't bode well for the series. The sweep might be good value at 6/1. Eastern Conference is relatively, very weak.

They won't sweep them for one reason - LeBron.

Love actually played quite well, so it's really difficult to see how they can make the leap required.

I may have to take this back. Cleveland look absolutely awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 06, 2016, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 06, 2016, 09:34:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 03, 2016, 11:39:36 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 03, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
The Splash Brothers only score 20 and they still win by 15. Doesn't bode well for the series. The sweep might be good value at 6/1. Eastern Conference is relatively, very weak.

They won't sweep them for one reason - LeBron.

Love actually played quite well, so it's really difficult to see how they can make the leap required.

I may have to take this back. Cleveland look absolutely awful.
Yeah OKC must be really sick watching this. They were one defensive stop away from the title. And Klay's all-time great performance in that game 6 will be the one that won the Warriors this title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 07, 2016, 08:37:32 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2016, 04:46:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 01, 2016, 02:36:23 PM
Great read from one of the GOAT

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/2016-6-1-ken-griffey-jr-mariners-best-play-i-ever-made%E2%80%8B/

It's amazing how all these top stars who right for TPT are capable of really good prose, isn't it?  ;)


Right on duuuuude.  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 09, 2016, 02:37:58 AM
Calling the home win early?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 09, 2016, 03:31:13 AM
Kylie is playing well, but our 2nd qrt. defense was miserable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 09, 2016, 05:07:40 AM
So I guess leBron decided he wanted this one. Huge improvement from the cavs, I had expected the sweep, but 4 minutes into that game was enough to see the difference. Better without Love?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 09, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
That game was over after about 6 mins. Still see the Warriors winning due to home field advantage but last night was a big wake up call. Curry and Thompson very quiet once again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 11, 2016, 07:24:41 AM
Warriors get it done in Cleveland. Should take it at home on Tues

I'm heading to game 6 of Stanley cup on Sunday.

Great time in the Bay Area.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on June 12, 2016, 02:43:13 AM
Bar football fans
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 12, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 12, 2016, 02:43:13 AM
Bar football fans

Raiders look to on the right track finally
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 12, 2016, 02:57:46 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 12, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 12, 2016, 02:43:13 AM
Bar football fans

Raiders look to on the right track finally

Won't be Bay Area much longer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on June 12, 2016, 12:26:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 12, 2016, 02:57:46 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 12, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on June 12, 2016, 02:43:13 AM
Bar football fans

Raiders look to on the right track finally

Won't be Bay Area much longer.

Will be for the next year at least, maybe the next 2-3 even if the Vegas deal happens.

Oakland council not willing to put much toward a new stadium or site by the looks of it and the Coll. is a sh!thole as it stands so something needs to change.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 12, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
Green suspended for game 5 will make it a bit more interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 14, 2016, 05:22:43 AM
Bad two nights for the Bay area teams
Warriors missed Draymond big time, James and Kyrie have superb games. It's going to be a though game 6.

Last night the Sharks fell in game 6. The atmosphere before the game was unreal, check link below. Pens were the better team over of the series however I'm not sure why one of Bonino or Jones (Sharks) didn't get the Con Smythe award (playoff MVP). Always seems to go to the big name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5YEBGrdScg

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 14, 2016, 05:36:43 AM
Kylie and LBJ were phenomenal, but Love was simply invisible.  In addition, Curry was off his game.  Green was out, and Bogut got injured during the game.  In Game 6, the Cavs will need JR Smith to hit 3s and Love to play to his ability.  Glad to be alive still, but we have huge obstacles to overcome.  The stat that teams sitting at 1-3 have a 0-32 record in terms of coming back is disconcerting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Club Rossa on June 17, 2016, 04:43:17 AM
What a performance from LeBron and the Cavs.Sets things up nicely for Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 17, 2016, 04:45:51 AM
The officiating at this game is hilariously bad. 3 of the Curry fouls are wrong calls.
And LBJ gets no class points despite a phenomenal performance. His behavior is that if a 6 year old spoiled kid. But can he play.

When it got back to 8 points the refs had a blinder.

Iguadala would be a massive miss for game 7.

Gutsy by the cavs. 26% from the field for the W shockingly bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 17, 2016, 05:29:38 AM
Still a mighty task for us, but if Iguadala is physically sub par, that's a plus.  Kevin Love has to stop vanishing, and JR Smith has to make 3s to open up the paint for LBJ.  We'll still be huge underdogs on Sunday, but we've done well to claw back from 3-1 down.  Can't describe how huge a win would be for the city, but, heganboy, an Armagh man like yourself would certainly understand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 06:56:56 AM
Au contraire, I think Love should vanish altogether. He's just not working with that team.

This would be an incredible, never before achieved comeback in the finals and if Iggy is out, I'd probably label the Cavs as slight favourites as he's been the Warriors best player all season.

LeBron is a dick, everyone knows it, but his ability, drive and determination are simply astonishing. Can't help but like him a little bit as well as admire him. He needs to give up being the GM though...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 17, 2016, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 06:56:56 AM
Au contraire, I think Love should vanish altogether. He's just not working with that team.

This would be an incredible, never before achieved comeback in the finals and if Iggy is out, I'd probably label the Cavs as slight favourites as he's been the Warriors best player all season.

LeBron is a dick, everyone knows it, but his ability, drive and determination are simply astonishing. Can't help but like him a little bit as well as admire him. He needs to give up being the GM though...

Ah he's not the worst....  http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2015/08/16/lebron-james-to-fund-college-scholarships/#476409ed425c (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybarca/2015/08/16/lebron-james-to-fund-college-scholarships/#476409ed425c)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 17, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 06:56:56 AM
Au contraire, I think Love should vanish altogether. He's just not working with that team.

This would be an incredible, never before achieved comeback in the finals and if Iggy is out, I'd probably label the Cavs as slight favourites as he's been the Warriors best player all season.

LeBron is a dick, everyone knows it, but his ability, drive and determination are simply astonishing. Can't help but like him a little bit as well as admire him. He needs to give up being the GM though...

thoroughly enjoyed game 6, agree with gallsman - Love has to go - he isn't a fit for the team and they function better as a unit without him. The y should be able to look back at the season and the playoffs especially and the numbers should tell the tale....

LeBron when he is on - is something to behold - he makes me want to watch.  Curry for me is as likable as Wes Welker or Wayne Rooney  -he also makes me want to watch in the hope that he loses...
Roll on Sunday Night and Game 7 - come on the CAVS!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 17, 2016, 08:40:02 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 17, 2016, 05:29:38 AM
Still a mighty task for us, but if Iguadala is physically sub par, that's a plus.  Kevin Love has to stop vanishing, and JR Smith has to make 3s to open up the paint for LBJ.  We'll still be huge underdogs on Sunday, but we've done well to claw back from 3-1 down.  Can't describe how huge a win would be for the city, but, heganboy, an Armagh man like yourself would certainly understand.

I have no horse in the race, but I hear ya, I'm still telling stories about September 2002.
You always remember your first




Especially if it's your only...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 17, 2016, 09:02:38 PM
I would definitely have the Cav's as favs now. The only positive thing in the Warriors corner right now is it's at the Oracle but that is kind of offset by injuries to Bogut and potentially Iggy, curry and clays lack of form, Lebron fricking dominating and Kyrie backing him up.

Not looking forward to Sunday evening
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 17, 2016, 10:19:27 PM
The Cavs have to be big underdogs. The game's at the Oracle, and in the blink of an eye Curry and Thompson can post huge numbers.  I'd love an upset, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 10:46:49 PM
Should clarify that that post should have said Iggy has been their best player all series. Obviously another fella has been better all season...

JR Smith made some stunning assists in that game. Opening his eyes and looking at providing opportunities for others is not generally something you'd associate with his game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: vertigonights on June 17, 2016, 11:17:07 PM
GO CAVS!!!!!!!  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 17, 2016, 11:57:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 17, 2016, 06:56:56 AM
Au contraire, I think Love should vanish altogether. He's just not working with that team.

This would be an incredible, never before achieved comeback in the finals and if Iggy is out, I'd probably label the Cavs as slight favourites as he's been the Warriors best player all season.

LeBron is a dick, everyone knows it, but his ability, drive and determination are simply astonishing. Can't help but like him a little bit as well as admire him. He needs to give up being the GM though...

why? in my eyes he is one of the greatest athletes ever.  Would love to see him win again.  The only person who was a dick last night was Curry
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 18, 2016, 07:07:11 AM
Because he insists on playing, coaching and GMing. He's still brash and arrogant (going back to Cleveland doesn't undo The Decision) and frequently lacking in class and grace.

I love him though. He's a phenomenon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 18, 2016, 07:06:42 PM
Nothing can undo the Decision, but he did return to Cleveland, which I never thought he would, and so, believing in forgiveness, I for one forgive the Prodigal Son, win or lose in Game 7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 18, 2016, 07:19:46 PM
LeBron has hardly set a foot wrong. Some of these athletes are up to mad stuff and he's managed this fame since he's been in HS. Would be delighted if he brought a championship to Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 20, 2016, 02:34:11 AM
Holy crap! I have no idea how this can be viewed as fair refereeing. Absolutely disgraceful.

LBJ is at it again. But as sharp as he was the last game though. Niggling and trash talking. Funniest thing I heard tonight "he is the NBAs Canavan."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 20, 2016, 02:49:04 AM
Quote from: heganboy on June 20, 2016, 02:34:11 AM
Holy crap! I have no idea how this can be viewed as fair refereeing. Absolutely disgraceful.

LBJ is at it again. But as sharp as he was the last game though. Niggling and trash talking. Funniest thing I heard tonight "he is the NBAs Canavan."
What's going on Heganboy. I've no way to watch it, just following the box score.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 20, 2016, 03:11:18 AM
going down to the wire.  Irving doing enough to keep Cleveland in it. Draymon Green has been shooting 3s for fun
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 20, 2016, 03:23:52 AM
Watching with mostly neutrals. Could not get over some of the calls going against gsw.

Green has been great. Kyrie Irvine fantastic. Some very poor decision making by curry. Thomson doing well.

LBJ doing really well when he drives to the basket. Jefferson also doing well. Cool customer. 20 lead changes and 11 ties so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 20, 2016, 03:31:06 AM
can't get much closer than this. Great viewing. What a block from LeBron. He's been brilliant.  Curry behind the back pass was a bit puzzling
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 20, 2016, 03:32:35 AM
What a massive three from Irving
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 20, 2016, 03:41:41 AM
Cavs are champions.  Lebron has done it for Cleveland, delighted for the city.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on June 20, 2016, 03:43:30 AM
Don't usually watch basketball but saw it was on after Game of Thrones... Serious effort from Lebron in the last few minutes that block was amazing and sport at its best.

Great for a City like Cleveland to win it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 20, 2016, 03:46:35 AM
And Cleveland take it. Huge win for the team and for the city.

I would imagine that officiating team will be getting a lot of Christmas cards from Ohio, maybe not so much from the west coast. When the margins are that close, I think they were one of the biggest factors in that game.

You got to respect the result though. Irving was player of the series in our group. Let's see what the officials say...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 20, 2016, 03:55:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on June 20, 2016, 03:43:30 AM
Don't usually watch basketball but saw it was on after Game of Thrones... Serious effort from Lebron in the last few minutes that block was amazing and sport at its best.

Great for a City like Cleveland to win it!
Yeah that block was amazing. That Curry v Jordan conversation won't be happening but the Lebron v Jordan one will.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 20, 2016, 04:14:42 AM
WITNESS!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 20, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
Well done Cavs. Lebron was massive
Tough to take seeing two Bay Area teams lose the finals. Lebron was by far the best player in the finals. No question. The height he got up for that block was unreal.

Officiating very suspect. Some of the calls were pretty bad but the thing that got me was the pulling and dragging off the ball. I know it's the finals but GSW trive on fast passes. In a regular season game they are called 9/10 times. I get that it's the finals but just o always thought they let a bit more go where rebounds happen etc. Draymond out for gm 5 was big, tonight proved that. The 'kick' vs OKC was more of a 1 game ban than the lash out at Lebron, they two of them were involved in it and anyone else it's both out or no one.
Anyway. Enjoy it Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 20, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
Delighted for the people of Cleveland, they, along with Buffalo are the  longest suffering fans in the states.

LBJ is as good as anyone who ever played the game, his legacy is nailed on and congratulations to the players and organization, fantastic stuff altogether.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: vertigonights on June 20, 2016, 10:51:46 AM
Warriors bottled it giving up a lead like that, especially after coming back against Okc. Well done Cavs, delighted for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on June 20, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Take it Cleveland has forgiven him for "The Decision". Prodigal son returns.

Hope they enjoy it . Have taken an interest in the place since reading a book about its sporting woes over the years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 20, 2016, 03:33:47 PM
Great game, great series, fantastic result. I thought Irving was the difference last night for the Cavs and Love showed up with some great rebounds and scores - I thought they did better when he was on the court.  Hopefully they can add to the roster for next year!  Was definitely a very emotional game and aftermath - very happy for the city of Cleveland - they deserve it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 20, 2016, 03:36:08 PM
That was one strange finish to a game with such little scoring in the final five minutes. I said after Game 1 the only reason they wouldn't be swept would be because of LeBron and his sheer force of will, but this must be his greatest feat yet. Game 7 triple-double says everything and those blocks were oustanding.

Although I don't rate him as a top tier player, Kyrie has really shone in these later games and deserves a lot of credit. He'll probably be allowed stay after that. Kevin Love (finally) showed up a bit when needed as well. Can't see him surviving there though.

Draymond deserves a mention here too. He was up and down for both the Conference and NBA finals but that was a truly great performance out of him last night. He's a brilliant player.

Cleveland had an awful time in the playoffs last year with injuries and while the Warriors weren't hit quite as badly this year, losing Bogut has really hurt them. If Bogut played, they would have won.

Warriors will be back. They're young and are in a good space cap wise, but make no bones about it, this is an absolute disaster for them. 73-9 means an awful lot less without the title. Barnes will leave for LA and if the rumours about them taking a run at Durant....

In the end though, it's all about LeBron. The man is just an unstoppable freak of nature.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 20, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Take it Cleveland has forgiven him for "The Decision". Prodigal son returns.

Hope they enjoy it . Have taken an interest in the place since reading a book about its sporting woes over the years.

They've forgiven him until he takes off for the Lakers or back to the Heat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 20, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 20, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 20, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Take it Cleveland has forgiven him for "The Decision". Prodigal son returns.

Hope they enjoy it . Have taken an interest in the place since reading a book about its sporting woes over the years.

They've forgiven him until he takes off for the Lakers or back to the Heat.

Nah, he has his championship in Cleveland, so that won't be happening again. If they hadn't won though, he'd have had some very tough decisions to make this year. He still does in his GM role I guess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2016, 04:36:25 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 20, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 20, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Canalman on June 20, 2016, 12:39:29 PM
Take it Cleveland has forgiven him for "The Decision". Prodigal son returns.

Hope they enjoy it . Have taken an interest in the place since reading a book about its sporting woes over the years.

They've forgiven him until he takes off for the Lakers or back to the Heat.

Nah, he has his championship in Cleveland, so that won't be happening again. If they hadn't won though, he'd have had some very tough decisions to make this year. He still does in his GM role I guess.

Stephen A Smith on ESPN reckons LA or Miami is a strong possibility.

No idea how reliable his sources are though. But the rumors have been going for a while now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 20, 2016, 04:37:56 PM
Stephen A Smith is a colossal dick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 20, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
his buddy Skip isn't too far behind - if not worse
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 20, 2016, 04:49:38 PM
Cavs locker room celebrations. I'd never seen (Nike) protective champagne goggles before. What could be better than joyous scenes of celebration? Joyous and safe scenes of celebration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJB5ur5MDxM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 20, 2016, 04:51:14 PM
Problem this year is the scale of the cap jump. Everyone will be able to afford EVERYONE.

There was a lot of chat about Kyrie for CP3 when they looked down and out and that LBJ would bring in Melo too. I think Durant will sign a one year extension with OKC but leaving and joining the warriors or Spurs is a very real possibility.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 20, 2016, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 20, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
his buddy Skip isn't too far behind - if not worse

Aren't they going their separate ways?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 22, 2016, 01:40:22 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 20, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
his buddy Skip isn't too far behind - if not worse

Two of the biggest dicks on sports TV right now over here. I change the channel when either come on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 22, 2016, 11:08:39 AM
Quote from: J70 on June 20, 2016, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 20, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
his buddy Skip isn't too far behind - if not worse

Aren't they going their separate ways?

Skip left ESPN yesterday I believe. Left/Fired. If you put Bill Simmons lying between them, you'd have a perfect set of male genitalia.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on June 22, 2016, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: stew on June 20, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
Delighted for the people of Cleveland, they, along with Buffalo are the  longest suffering fans in the states.

LBJ is as good as anyone who ever played the game, his legacy is nailed on and congratulations to the players and organization, fantastic stuff altogether.

I know I posted this before, but Cleveland is a very Irish city. It is twinned with Achill.

Here is one of tens of thousands of reasons why: http://www.johnnykilbane.com/biography.html (http://www.johnnykilbane.com/biography.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 23, 2016, 05:45:16 AM
Intermittent basketballer, frequent sick note and all round hometown hero in Chicago Derrick Rose traded to the Knicks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on June 23, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
The Knicks have been brutal at point guard for years. No one driving at the basket or finding the open man. At least they'll be much better when Rose is fit! Can he defend?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 23, 2016, 02:58:16 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
The Knicks have been brutal at point guard for years. No one driving at the basket or finding the open man. At least they'll be much better when Rose is fit! Can he defend?

If Rose is fit more like. He can opt out next year too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 23, 2016, 07:11:01 PM
Typical knicks.  Gave up a decent center on a reasonable contract for a broken down former star player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 04, 2016, 04:43:02 PM
KD heads to Golden State  :o

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-durant-nba-free-agency-announcement/ (http://www.theplayerstribune.com/kevin-durant-nba-free-agency-announcement/)

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 04, 2016, 04:56:22 PM
Good. Holy. Christ. That lineup will be monstrous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on July 04, 2016, 08:02:44 PM
ESPN already talking  about whether this is the best starting 5 ever despite not playing a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 04, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
They're dealing Bogut so depends who their "centre" is, if the position even exists for them any more. Draymond could spend even more time there.

I see Doc Rivers gave his god awful son 40 odd million dollars. Joke, that could seriously have actually been part of the reason KD went elsewhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 11, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Tim Duncan retires - legend
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 11, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Tim Duncan retires - legend

Absolutely. One of the very best. At the same time, you wouldn't even notice him. He's everything basketball traditionally hasn't been - quiet, humble, respectful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 11, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 11, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Tim Duncan retires - legend

Absolutely. One of the very best. At the same time, you wouldn't even notice him. He's everything basketball traditionally hasn't been - quiet, humble, respectful.

And no big announcement, or press conference to announce it. Just a statement on the Spurs website
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 11, 2016, 04:31:44 PM
I wouldn't be a big nba fan but Tim Duncan has always been my favourite player. A massive performer and just understated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 21, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
AZ, have just seen on Amazon video that they teamed up with the NFL to produce a warts and all insider documentary that followed the entire Cardinals season last year. Thought you might be interested.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 22, 2016, 01:39:17 PM
Yeah its supposed to be excellent. A lot of Bruce Arians in it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on July 22, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
Jj watts potentially missing the start of the season with a herniated disc.  Big blow to the Texans who will be looking to make a real impact this year after spending big on Brock.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 22, 2016, 04:22:10 PM
Denny Green, the ex NFL coach, ex Cardinals Coach "They are who we thought they were!!!!!" has died of a heart attack, aged 67. He also coached the Vikings.

He had a tough time in recent years I'd say. His son was an ESPN employee and he got arrested for child pornography charges. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 12, 2016, 08:54:08 AM
We're off and running! After the embarrassing cancellation of the Hall of Fame Game, there were a few pre-season week 1 games last night in the NFL. Good to see it back.

Anyone else heading to Dublin for the College Game on the 3rd of September? I'm heading up on Friday morning to get the High School games in Donnybrook.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on August 12, 2016, 11:13:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2016, 04:21:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 11, 2016, 04:03:30 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 11, 2016, 03:18:11 PM
Tim Duncan retires - legend

Absolutely. One of the very best. At the same time, you wouldn't even notice him. He's everything basketball traditionally hasn't been - quiet, humble, respectful.

And no big announcement, or press conference to announce it. Just a statement on the Spurs website


A true gentleman and one of favourite American sportsmen.

A top ten of all time and sure fire first ballot hall of gamer, I wish there were more like Tim Duncan in this world.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 29, 2016, 10:41:58 PM
Patrick Murray, son of a Monaghan GAA man, is now the field goal kicker for the Browns.  Something to look forward to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 30, 2016, 12:22:45 AM
Incredible show of bravery by Kaepernick sitting out the US anthem and the grandstanding rhetoric that infects US discourse at almost all levels. The most impressive display of character and selflessness I've seen in my time watching the NFL. I take back not liking Kaepernick - I hope he starts this year and rams this down the establishment's throat by having a career year.

His fellow football players are showing themselves up big time by placing themselves on the wrong side of history for personal gain. Like others Kaepernick's stand will be talked about glowingly when time has had its' say. Many of the same people who celebrated Ali a few months ago for being a social campaigner are severely uncomfortable with Kaepernick doing the same and it highlights the incredible hypocrisy still at the heart of the American psyche.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: vertigonights on August 30, 2016, 08:55:55 PM
Yeah incredible..........., just get on with the game I reckon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 30, 2016, 10:12:21 PM
Serious looking injury for Teddy Bridgewater
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 30, 2016, 11:26:52 PM
Lump everything on the Packers to win the NFC North right now before the betting lines change further

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/teddy-bridgewater-suffers-potentially-serious-injury-for-vikings-391778811.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand

I feel bad for Teddy as he is an upcoming QB star in the league and the team was drafting key players around him.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 31, 2016, 10:31:01 AM
Here comes stew talking about the Vik-queens :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 31, 2016, 02:58:23 PM
Packers were going to walk the NFC North regardless of Teddy. Probably the NFC too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 31, 2016, 07:03:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 31, 2016, 02:58:23 PM
Packers were going to walk the NFC North regardless of Teddy. Probably the NFC too.

No doubt about the NFC North, but the lines have gone from 8/13 down to 4/11.
The Vikings with Teddy had a decent shot, now not even close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2016, 08:09:40 PM
Packers to release guard Josh Sitton. Total head scratcher
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 03, 2016, 09:09:31 PM
The vikings have signed Sam Bradford from the Eagles for a 2017 first round draft pick and another conditional draft pick  in 2018.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 03, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Eagles will be absolutely delighted with that. Bradford is awful.

Goff isn't even going to start the season as the Rams' backup. First number one QB pick not to start since Jamarcus.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 03, 2016, 11:15:25 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 03, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Eagles will be absolutely delighted with that. Bradford is awful.

Goff isn't even going to start the season as the Rams' backup. First number one QB pick not to start since Jamarcus.

Awful is maybe a bit strong gallsman, it wont be all on his shoulders, with Peterson & that D. Saw earlier that PFF actually had him graded slightly higher than Bridgewater last year

But yeah it was desperation stakes by the Vikings, I think the Browns own one of those Eagles 1st rounders too, from trading up to get Wentz in the draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 04, 2016, 12:21:39 AM
He's a bad QB and has been for years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 04, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
Bama already look frighteningly good after wiping USC off the map like they were a FCS team. Auburn almost caused an upset by taking #2 Clemson at home but their run to start the season is totally brutal and it looks very much like Malzahn's last season now after that incredible debut season. Playing three QBs in rotation is an absolute mess of a situation too.

Houston beating the Sooners (#3 going in) so convincingly means they have a real chance of crashing the play-offs from outside the power conferences. If the Big 12 don't add them now they will look like a laughing stock that's afraid of competition. The Houston market is so massive that a hot Houston team will do much to stabilize that conference's position. Definitely the story to watch this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 05, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
Bears sign Josh Sitton on a 3 year, 25M deal (10M guaranteed).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2016, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 05, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
Bears sign Josh Sitton on a 3 year, 25M deal (10M guaranteed).

Thought he would have got more guaranteed money but a very good pick up by the Bears
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maximus on September 05, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
Looking to attend a Knicks game later in the year Is Stubhub the best way to go or are there better alternatives
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 05, 2016, 02:54:30 PM
Bears inexplicably have cut Robbie Gould to save $2.4M.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 05, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: maximus on September 05, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
Looking to attend a Knicks game later in the year Is Stubhub the best way to go or are there better alternatives

The best alternative is to not go and see the Knicks  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maximus on September 05, 2016, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 05, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: maximus on September 05, 2016, 12:26:08 PM
Looking to attend a Knicks game later in the year Is Stubhub the best way to go or are there better alternatives

The best alternative is to not go and see the Knicks  ;)

I'm no expert on the basketball! Keen to watch a game even its the worst team in the league 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 05, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
Don't forget you have the Nets in Brooklyn in the Barclay's centre too. Go see the one with the better visiting opponent
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2016, 11:48:59 PM
Anyone want to take a go at predictions for the coming season -

AFC

Steelers over Patriots

NFC

Packers over Seahawks

Superbowl

Steelers over Packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 06, 2016, 02:15:20 AM
AFC - Patriots over Steelers

NFC - Panthers over Packers

Superbowl - Panthers over Patriots
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 06, 2016, 02:17:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 05, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
Don't forget you have the Nets in Brooklyn in the Barclay's centre too. Go see the one with the better visiting opponent

The Nets will definitely be cheaper.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maximus on September 06, 2016, 05:08:16 AM
Quote from: dec on September 06, 2016, 02:17:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 05, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
Don't forget you have the Nets in Brooklyn in the Barclay's centre too. Go see the one with the better visiting opponent

The Nets will definitely be cheaper.

Cheers men! Arrive in December just after the Knicks play Cleveland and leave just before the Nets play Golden State. I'm left with Nets vs Lakers or Knicks vs Pacers. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2016, 05:15:31 AM
Knicks-Pacers then. New York have made a number of changes this summer and might even end up being decent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gold on September 06, 2016, 07:14:47 AM
Quote from: maximus on September 06, 2016, 05:08:16 AM
Quote from: dec on September 06, 2016, 02:17:42 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 05, 2016, 05:36:25 PM
Don't forget you have the Nets in Brooklyn in the Barclay's centre too. Go see the one with the better visiting opponent

The Nets will definitely be cheaper.

Cheers men! Arrive in December just after the Knicks play Cleveland and leave just before the Nets play Golden State. I'm left with Nets vs Lakers or Knicks vs Pacers.

Stubhub is your answer.  Easy to use and tickets are cheap or expensive,  depending where you want to sit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2016, 07:27:44 AM
Seatgeek a potential option too. They sponsor various Bill Simmons podcasts and there's always a discount code going with his show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maximus on September 06, 2016, 08:10:49 AM
Thanks Advice much appreciated!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 06, 2016, 12:47:20 PM
But the cheapest you can get and you will end up getting to sit in much better seats, there are always hundreds of empty seats because the Knicks are not good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 06, 2016, 02:54:22 PM
AFC East  - NY Jets
AFC West - Raiders
AFC North - Bengals
AFC South - Colts

Wildcard
Browns
Pats

NFC East - Giants
NFC West - AZ Cardinals
NFC North - Packers
NFC South - Panthers

Wildcard
Seahawks
Philly Eagles

AFC - Pats
NFC - Cards

Super bowl winners - NE Patriots

Feel free to copy and stick in your own, couple of out there selections but this league constantly changes and there is always breakout teams.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
Jets to win the East? Brave call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 06, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Genio and Fitz to get hurt and Hackenberg to have a Tebow season  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on September 09, 2016, 08:37:45 AM
See the officiating standard hasn't changed much in the NFL - some horrible hits on Newton last night - Good win for the Broncos though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on September 09, 2016, 10:38:32 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 06, 2016, 02:54:22 PM
AFC East  - NY Jets
AFC West - Raiders
AFC North - Bengals
AFC South - Colts

Wildcard
Browns
Pats

NFC East - Giants
NFC West - AZ Cardinals
NFC North - Packers
NFC South - Panthers

Wildcard
Seahawks
Philly Eagles

AFC - Pats
NFC - Cards

Super bowl winners - NE Patriots

Feel free to copy and stick in your own, couple of out there selections but this league constantly changes and there is always breakout teams.

That 4 timer is over 200/1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2016, 06:11:47 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 09, 2016, 08:37:45 AM
See the officiating standard hasn't changed much in the NFL - some horrible hits on Newton last night - Good win for the Broncos though

That can't be true, otherwise Syferus would have been on slobbering all over him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 10, 2016, 12:09:31 AM
Gronk officially out for Sun
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 10, 2016, 03:05:23 PM
A crowd of 150,000+ is expected tonight for the Virginia Tech - Tennesse game tonight

(http://i68.tinypic.com/4hb96b.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 10, 2016, 05:05:28 PM
Gabe, they may need binoculars to see the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 10, 2016, 08:58:14 PM
Fantastic finish here

http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/central-michigan-upsets-oklahoma-state-with-hail-mary-l-1786479279
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 10, 2016, 11:47:19 PM
Commentators are saying that by rule the play should never have been run.  Still, a terrific finish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2016, 09:42:14 PM
Unbelievable choke from the Chargers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 11, 2016, 09:43:50 PM
As a 49ers fan its so sad to see Alex Smith do his thing, what a 1st set of games. NFL is back baby, What a call by the Raiders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2016, 10:48:52 PM
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2016, 09:42:14 PM
Unbelievable choke from the Chargers.

And a season ending injury to Keenan Allen into the bargain
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 12, 2016, 01:00:06 AM
Of course, Minder, since he's my top receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 05:13:15 AM
Patriots , different gravy! That's what sets them apart. On the road, a top 5 opponent , no Brady, Gronk, Solder or Minkovich.... The rest of the AFC East lost...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 05:15:36 AM
Quote from: ONeill on September 11, 2016, 09:42:14 PM
Unbelievable choke from the Chargers.
McCoy is a ball bag . Went way too conservative in the second half , play calling was a joke. Stopped rushing Smith etc. Marty got ran out of town with a 14-2 record for being too conservative, this fool won 4 games last year...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 12, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 05:13:15 AM
Patriots , different gravy! That's what sets them apart. On the road, a top 5 opponent , no Brady, Gronk, Solder or Minkovich.... The rest of the AFC East lost...

Not sure Cardinals are top 5. I'm very worried about that defense. They couldn't get the Pats off the field on 3rd down. Still missed a field goal to win it but they didn't really deserve a win the way the defense played. They've been lacklustre all pre-season, and all this talk about Superbowls is very premature.

Belichick is unreal though. I knew this would be a struggle as he had basically 2 weeks to prepare for the Cardinals, and he normally gets that sort of lead time spot on, a bit like Saban in Alabama. For the Cards, hopefully this is a wakeup call, and they up the workrate massively. Missed tackles would do your head in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Their tackling was very poor, and Williams is gonna get picked on all year....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 12, 2016, 01:44:56 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 01:35:19 PM
Their tackling was very poor, and Williams is gonna get picked on all year....

Agree. MAybe Revis will get cut :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 09, 2016, 06:11:47 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 09, 2016, 08:37:45 AM
See the officiating standard hasn't changed much in the NFL - some horrible hits on Newton last night - Good win for the Broncos though

That can't be true, otherwise Syferus would have been on slobbering all over him.

You're still walking funny after Newton ripped the hole off your idea of how good he can be last year I see..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 12, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 12, 2016, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 09, 2016, 06:11:47 PM
Quote from: Declan on September 09, 2016, 08:37:45 AM
See the officiating standard hasn't changed much in the NFL - some horrible hits on Newton last night - Good win for the Broncos though

That can't be true, otherwise Syferus would have been on slobbering all over him.

You're still walking funny after Newton ripped the hole off your idea of how good he can be last year I see..

Yes, that's it. I care *that* much about how good Cam is our isn't.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 12, 2016, 10:14:12 PM
JDR. Balls of steel.

On a road trip, in a hostile environment, against an elite QB and offence, with our big money CB playing like dung and eventually benched and Khalil Mack being anonymous, 14 points down going into the 4th.......yet we come away 1-0

Unbelievable.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 12, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 12, 2016, 10:14:12 PM
JDR. Balls of steel.

On a road trip, in a hostile environment, against an elite QB and offence, with our big money CB playing like dung and eventually benched and Khalil Mack being anonymous, 14 points down going into the 4th.......yet we come away 1-0

Unbelievable.......


Thought that field attempt was good when I seen it first. Unbelievable 4th quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 13, 2016, 12:13:36 PM
Hey muck savage.  What is this craic about "Home of the faithful "? Tell them niners fans the home of the Faithful is Tullamore!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 14, 2016, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 12, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 05:13:15 AM
Patriots , different gravy! That's what sets them apart. On the road, a top 5 opponent , no Brady, Gronk, Solder or Minkovich.... The rest of the AFC East lost...

Not sure Cardinals are top 5. I'm very worried about that defense. They couldn't get the Pats off the field on 3rd down. Still missed a field goal to win it but they didn't really deserve a win the way the defense played. They've been lacklustre all pre-season, and all this talk about Superbowls is very premature.

Belichick is unreal though. I knew this would be a struggle as he had basically 2 weeks to prepare for the Cardinals, and he normally gets that sort of lead time spot on, a bit like Saban in Alabama. For the Cards, hopefully this is a wakeup call, and they up the workrate massively. Missed tackles would do your head in.
Cards certainly threw it away with the amount of 3rd downs they allowed NE complete, and in particular with giving away bad penalties at bad times, and still only a few inches away from winning it. I think they would beat that Patriots team 4 times out of 5. Very frustrating that they threw it away.

On the positive Fitzgerald was immense (again) and Johnson looks like he could be a star.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on September 15, 2016, 02:08:57 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 13, 2016, 12:13:36 PM
Hey muck savage.  What is this craic about "Home of the faithful "? Tell them niners fans the home of the Faithful is Tullamore!

Its the Offaly influence here in Santa Clara, they watched a video of the '82 goal and said that it was a better finish than the Catch the same year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 15, 2016, 02:40:20 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 14, 2016, 12:44:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 12, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 12, 2016, 05:13:15 AM
Patriots , different gravy! That's what sets them apart. On the road, a top 5 opponent , no Brady, Gronk, Solder or Minkovich.... The rest of the AFC East lost...

Not sure Cardinals are top 5. I'm very worried about that defense. They couldn't get the Pats off the field on 3rd down. Still missed a field goal to win it but they didn't really deserve a win the way the defense played. They've been lacklustre all pre-season, and all this talk about Superbowls is very premature.

Belichick is unreal though. I knew this would be a struggle as he had basically 2 weeks to prepare for the Cardinals, and he normally gets that sort of lead time spot on, a bit like Saban in Alabama. For the Cards, hopefully this is a wakeup call, and they up the workrate massively. Missed tackles would do your head in.
Cards certainly threw it away with the amount of 3rd downs they allowed NE complete, and in particular with giving away bad penalties at bad times, and still only a few inches away from winning it. I think they would beat that Patriots team 4 times out of 5. Very frustrating that they threw it away.

On the positive Fitzgerald was immense (again) and Johnson looks like he could be a star.
what game were you watching? The Patriots were simply better. Cardinals would win 4 out of 5 times? No harm, but that's an idiotic thing to say? LF played out of his skin in the second half to get them back in it, he'll be hard pressed to play as well again all season. Plus, Cantanzaro has never kicked a FG that long in his NFL career. 1 for 4 over 45 yards.
But sure keep on hating ...👍👍
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2016, 09:11:54 AM
I agree the Patriots were better on the night. They did their little dink and dunk offense, that the Cardinals were pathetic at getting off the field. But I would disagree that Larry played out of his skin. Larry just did Larry things. The offense actually looked reasonable to good in the second half in general, but this loss is on the D in my opinion. I don't blame Catanzaro, but in the harsh world of NFL, you need your field goal kicker to make kicks like that. I bet Gostkowski would make it the other way. (I know the Pats missed a short one when the Cards beat them a couple of years ago).

The only thing I'm glad about is the Cardinals seem to be pissed off over it. Keim and Ariens both said it wasn't good enough. We'll see what the reaction will be. I'm not convinced by the Cardinals, and I'm wary of the hype around them. Another loss and that hype will evaporate pretty quickly.

And finally, can anyone be surprised that the Patriots overcome adversity? That's what they do! They don't win every game, or every championship, and on paper they are not the best team hardly any year. But they are winners, and they are extremely hard to beat, and if you think you can just stroll out there and beat them up, you're in for a rude awakening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 10:36:06 PM
Christ the Seattle offense is bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 19, 2016, 04:17:00 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 18, 2016, 10:36:06 PM
Christ the Seattle offense is bad.
. As the Raiders D!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 11:23:42 AM
Much better by the Cardinals last night. They really got after Winston, even though they didn't have many sacks they were able to drop 7 into coverage and got several turnovers. More importantly though they actually tackled. The rookie Corner Williams was benched and Marcus Cooper, who was acquired in a trade last month for a 7th round pick in 2018, played instead. He got 2 INTs and made 7 tackles. He returned one of the INTs for a TD as well to kill the game. Looks like Williams will get some time to learn now, without being mercilessly picked on every day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 20, 2016, 04:47:07 AM
Cutler is the Rooney of the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 20, 2016, 10:24:35 AM
Sat up to watch the Pacers Sunday night, to say that Rodgers and Nelson are nowhere near on the same page is an understatement to say the least, but that will come.

I think the pack will be alright and expect them to be 12-4 as long as Nelson gets back on track and the D improve as expected.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2016, 04:47:07 AM
Cutler is the Rooney of the NFL.

He makes some shocking decisions at terrible times. Has all the tools physically, but he just picks terrible moments. That Carson Wentz lads looks the real deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 20, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 19, 2016, 11:23:42 AM
Much better by the Cardinals last night. They really got after Winston, even though they didn't have many sacks they were able to drop 7 into coverage and got several turnovers. More importantly though they actually tackled. The rookie Corner Williams was benched and Marcus Cooper, who was acquired in a trade last month for a 7th round pick in 2018, played instead. He got 2 INTs and made 7 tackles. He returned one of the INTs for a TD as well to kill the game. Looks like Williams will get some time to learn now, without being mercilessly picked on every day.
I know they mis-fired on 3rd downs v the Pats, but I'm not overly worried about the Defence. It was really stupid penalties that threw that game away, and that seemed to be cut out this week (although only got to see it on the Red Zone coverage).

It's great to see Larry continue to be brilliant. Floyd looks like he could have a hot year too, and the RB is just super. When was the last time Cards had a very good RB? A pity Palmer isnt 5 years yonger and 5% better! Don't see the Cards as Superbowl winners, but would be disappointed if they don't win the division.     
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 21, 2016, 01:24:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 20, 2016, 04:47:07 AM
Cutler is the Rooney of the NFL.

The only thing worse than being a Bears fan is watching the Bears right now. That O-line is pathetic!!
I was wearing my Bear's sweatshirt last night in the Packer's official hotel (Radisson on the Oneida Reservation) bar here in Green Bay and the worst the fans could give me was condolences for the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 21, 2016, 03:30:04 AM
Then, you know what it is to be a Browns fan too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 23, 2016, 06:23:08 AM
Again, different gravy boys...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 23, 2016, 08:45:40 AM
You have to tip your hat to them in fairness. 3rd string quarterback and they never missed a beat. Is Belichick or Daniels a West Coast offence guy? That's what it looks like. 8 yards, 6 yards, 12 yards. Must be very frustrating to defend against.

Does make you wonder if Tom Brady is all that after all :) :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2016, 09:13:22 AM
In one way, I'm kind of disappointed as I really wanted to see Edelman playing QB but that's an absolutely outstanding performance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on September 25, 2016, 11:45:20 AM
Is there a website where one can see what NFL games are live on which channels. LJ Satellite does it but it's mostly UK and Europe. I am looking to see what US channels are covering what games.

Specifically I am looking to see what channel on mobdro I need to use to see tonight's Viking's game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 25, 2016, 11:51:57 AM
Thank f**k Auburn managed to win one of the three big home games to start the season. They've actually been competitive in all of them and had chances to win them but like so much of Malzahn's tenure post Kick Six they've conspired to find ways to lose games. Still hanging on by a thread with the away slate to come but at least there's some hope now. Les Miles in LSU looks more frigged than ever now, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2016, 04:57:39 PM
One of the best young pitchers in baseball - Jose Fernandez of the Miami Marlins was tragically killed in a boating accident early this morning

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/marlins-star-jose-fernandez-dies-in-boating-accident-131251128.html
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
Will the real Arizona Cardinals please stand up. Which ones are they?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 08:58:21 PM
Is it just me or is today particularly mental with timings of turnovers, turnovers immediately given back, dodgy kicks, crucial play reviews etc?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 25, 2016, 09:30:06 PM
Yep and there's another huge one. Been a hectic evening on redzone. Well done to the Redskins. Feeling good about my 11/4 on the Eagles to win their division, though they might struggle tonight.  We'll learn a lot more about Wentz tonight too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
Giants and Titans both had huge late fourth quarter plays brought back for sheer stupidity. In the Giants' case it cost them the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 25, 2016, 09:47:50 PM
Cleveland is just sick viewing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 25, 2016, 09:50:36 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 25, 2016, 09:47:50 PM
Cleveland is just sick viewing

Yeah they can do it, that kicker may clear out his locker, only signed this weekend too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 25, 2016, 11:27:48 PM
The Vikings had another big win tonight 22-10 over the Panthers in Carolina. The Panthers were 10-0 up after 10 minutes before the Vikings defensive line started getting to Cam.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 11:39:41 PM
Huge statement by the Eagles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 26, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
Will the real Arizona Cardinals please stand up. Which ones are they?
A season too far for Palmer perhaps, but hopefully just a bad day.

Need to sort out the feckin' long snapper too. Cost them heavily v NE as well as yesterday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 26, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 26, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 25, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
Will the real Arizona Cardinals please stand up. Which ones are they?
A season too far for Palmer perhaps, but hopefully just a bad day.

Need to sort out the feckin' long snapper too. Cost them heavily v NE as well as yesterday.

Palmer has at least one of those every year. Wouldn't worry about it being a season too far or anything like that. The big thing with this team is they need to stop believing the f*cking hype. They are yapping about Superbowls and home field advantage since the start of training camp. Screw that, just do your job. David Johnson is brilliant. Larry is brilliant. Palmer is very good. But the offensive and defensive lines are not delivering, and that's all attitude. Tackling has been poor. Special teams has been average at best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
The Cardinals cut the long snapper. Harsh business is pro football. Tough learning for a rookie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 28, 2016, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 28, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
The Cardinals cut the long snapper. Harsh business is pro football. Tough learning for a rookie.
I'm not keen on the punter either!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2016, 05:30:32 PM
Punter is out injured :) They're auditioning for punters now. The punter will stay on the roster to do the holding duties, so I guess he's now a 'holder' :) Nice work if you can get it :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 28, 2016, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 28, 2016, 05:30:32 PM
Punter is out injured :) They're auditioning for punters now. The punter will stay on the roster to do the holding duties, so I guess he's now a 'holder' :) Nice work if you can get it :)

I watched the incident with the TD return live. Commentator had called out seconds beforehand that long snapper had had issues and that holder was lame. Feel a bit guilty but it was hilarious to see the punter/holder trying to hobble and limp after the ball while some 300lb lineman chased after him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2016, 05:44:30 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 28, 2016, 05:38:48 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 28, 2016, 05:30:32 PM
Punter is out injured :) They're auditioning for punters now. The punter will stay on the roster to do the holding duties, so I guess he's now a 'holder' :) Nice work if you can get it :)

I watched the incident with the TD return live. Commentator had called out seconds beforehand that long snapper had had issues and that holder was lame. Feel a bit guilty but it was hilarious to see the punter/holder trying to hobble and limp after the ball while some 300lb lineman chased after him.

I saw it live too. I didn't find it hilarious though :) The kicker could have done a better job of reacting and falling on it I thought.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 29, 2016, 03:05:43 PM
The Packers are the cream of the crop, the queens are good but are chokers so no problem there.

Pats v Pack super bowl with the pack prevailing, either way is good for me. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 29, 2016, 11:16:50 PM
Packers hit and miss so far to be honest Stew. There were some good signs the last day in the first half but Rodgers not putting up big stats by his own standards. I've said it for a long time - they need to be more pragmatic on offense and not be so arrogant to stick totally to their precision offense. It won't always work. Their defense is ordinary too. In a stacked NFC it's a brave call to see them making the SB, though losing the division to Minnesota might actually help. The Pack will be better if they don't have to play in Green Bay in January.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 29, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 29, 2016, 11:16:50 PM
Packers hit and miss so far to be honest Stew. There were some good signs the last day in the first half but Rodgers not putting up big stats by his own standards. I've said it for a long time - they need to be more pragmatic on offense and not be so arrogant to stick totally to their precision offense. It won't always work. Their defense is ordinary too. In a stacked NFC it's a brave call to see them making the SB, though losing the division to Minnesota might actually help. The Pack will be better if they don't have to play in Green Bay in January.

Think the Pack will also come up short, don't trust McCarthy and don't think the D is up to it either. No outstanding team in the NFC, or AFC for that matter so you never know but I can't see it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 30, 2016, 12:42:25 AM
Yeah no standout team but lots of good teams who will be hard to beat. Minnesota are interesting, especially if the purple Jesus is back for the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 30, 2016, 06:09:53 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 29, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 29, 2016, 11:16:50 PM
Packers hit and miss so far to be honest Stew. There were some good signs the last day in the first half but Rodgers not putting up big stats by his own standards. I've said it for a long time - they need to be more pragmatic on offense and not be so arrogant to stick totally to their precision offense. It won't always work. Their defense is ordinary too. In a stacked NFC it's a brave call to see them making the SB, though losing the division to Minnesota might actually help. The Pack will be better if they don't have to play in Green Bay in January.

Think the Pack will also come up short, don't trust McCarthy and don't think the D is up to it either. No outstanding team in the NFC, or AFC for that matter so you never know but I can't see it.

Add Gronk and Brady to the 3-0 Pats and you might have one though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 03, 2016, 09:15:45 AM
That looks like season over for the Cards, barring a Lazarus like comeback. Just flat all over the field, and I blame their preseason bullshit about a superbowl. They haven't been angry or desperate all year. 1-3 now, and with injuries last night to Chris Johnson, Tyvon Branch (both looked to be groins), Carson Palmer (concussion), Deon Buchanan (looked Concussion as well) and Darren Fells, (collar bone) all ahead of a Thursday night game in San Francisco... not good. This could be 1-4 really quick, and it's hard to come back from that in the NFC West. Very disappointing, but at least it means I can enjoy the rest of the season's football without being nervous for the Cardinals. A wasted opportunity.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 03, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
And the Rams are 3-1 after losing 28-0 to the 49ers in the season opener! Jeff Fisher was becoming a bit of a laughing stock after that one and his Hard Knocks rant "We are not going 7-9". He'll be feeling very pleased with himself now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 03, 2016, 11:21:42 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 03, 2016, 09:39:19 AM
And the Rams are 3-1 after losing 28-0 to the 49ers in the season opener! Jeff Fisher was becoming a bit of a laughing stock after that one and his Hard Knocks rant "We are not going 7-9". He'll be feeling very pleased with himself now.

I think the Rams will end up 7-9 or 8-8. They are not especially good. I think teams will figure them out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 03, 2016, 08:06:43 PM
Raiders 3-1 having been very inconsistent on either side of the ball. If they could get O & D motoring at the same time......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 07, 2016, 04:45:40 AM
Indians beat Red Sox 5-4 in Game 1 of American League Divisional Series
Indians beat Red Sox 6-0 in Game 2 of the ALDS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 07, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
Cardinals get the win last night in San Francisco (well, Santa Clara actually). Great to get a division win, and the defence looked a good bit more up for it, but Drew Stanton and the offence looked very Ropey. David Johnson and Larry Fitz were excellent, but Michael Floyd has a serious case of the drops, and some of the other receivers looked a bit 'wing mirror ish' on routes over the middle. Not good to see.

I think they are going to miss the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 07, 2016, 12:35:55 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 07, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
Cardinals get the win last night in San Francisco (well, Santa Clara actually). Great to get a division win, and the defence looked a good bit more up for it, but Drew Stanton and the offence looked very Ropey. David Johnson and Larry Fitz were excellent, but Michael Floyd has a serious case of the drops, and some of the other receivers looked a bit 'wing mirror ish' on routes over the middle. Not good to see.

I think they are going to miss the playoffs.

They'll miss the playoffs with Drew Stanton starting. If Palmer is back and on form they still have a great chance. Jury still out on the defence - they had to react last night but it was against Blaine Gabbert and a poor 49ers team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 10, 2016, 12:32:39 AM
Its every week with the Chargers now! Hope ONeill is ok
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 10, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Raiders 4-1 with one of, if not the worst, D in the NFL.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on October 10, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 10, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Raiders 4-1 with one of, if not the worst, D in the NFL.......
Definitely not worse than the Dolphins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 10, 2016, 10:59:40 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 10, 2016, 08:42:16 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 10, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Raiders 4-1 with one of, if not the worst, D in the NFL.......
Definitely not worse than the Dolphins

They are, last place, in yards allowed per game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 11, 2016, 02:53:46 AM
Cleveland Indians eliminate the Boston Red Sox in three games.  David Ortiz's final game. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 11, 2016, 04:55:56 AM
The Raiders secondary is poor no doubt. But Yards allowed can be a superficial stat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 11, 2016, 07:00:12 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 11, 2016, 04:55:56 AM
The Raiders secondary is poor no doubt. But Yards allowed can be a superficial stat.

It's a strange one. Smith, Amerson and Nelson are all decent players. Joseph has been excellent. Mack and Irvin should be generating more pass rush pressure, although it would help if the secondary made QBs hold onto the ball a second longer.....and the constant holding on Mack was actually flagged

Leaving aside the terrible LBs (exWashington pickup Riley almost immediately looks the best of the bunch along with rookie James) you really gotta wonder if KNJ is up to the job. That D on personnel alone should not be as bad as it plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on October 11, 2016, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 11, 2016, 02:53:46 AM
Cleveland Indians eliminate the Boston Red Sox in three games.  David Ortiz's final game.

Can Cleveland do a double?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 11, 2016, 03:48:33 PM
I'd love to see an Indians vs Cubs World Series, battle of the perennial losers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 11, 2016, 05:18:39 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 11, 2016, 02:53:46 AM
Cleveland Indians eliminate the Boston Red Sox in three games.  David Ortiz's final game.

A true gentleman and all time great, I loved the guy, Red Sox through and through, legend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 12, 2016, 03:34:57 PM
This doesn't sound like a Patriots player. I'd say Belichick has had a word about slagging other teams in public.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17774029/martellus-bennett-questions-jay-cutler-blames-ex-teammates-chicago-bears-not-making-playoffs (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17774029/martellus-bennett-questions-jay-cutler-blames-ex-teammates-chicago-bears-not-making-playoffs)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 13, 2016, 11:12:52 PM
I get your point but he's undeniably correct. Another journeyman backup coming in and running the Bears offence better than Cutler (Josh McCown did it a few years back but the front office didn't notice and gave Cutler his ridiculous contract). At least he will be dumped in the off season....may have played his last game if Hoyer can stay fit.

Martellus is an incredibly talented TE and will thrive with NE.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 13, 2016, 11:53:21 PM
Have you witnessed a more remarkable start to the season than that from the Chargers? No other way to lose a game now in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 14, 2016, 04:51:31 AM
Chargers get it done and looked good doing it, although they did allow Broncos to regain an onside kick late on to make the last few minutes a little uncomfortable for both fans and coach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 14, 2016, 02:07:50 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 11, 2016, 03:48:33 PM
I'd love to see an Indians vs Cubs World Series, battle of the perennial losers.

you beat us in the NBA - let the Jays go to the World Series  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 14, 2016, 06:00:13 PM
Gabe, 1948.  4 years before Armagh made it to its first AI Final.  It's our turn.  Believeland Rocks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 14, 2016, 10:18:00 PM
Cubs all the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 14, 2016, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 14, 2016, 06:00:13 PM
Gabe, 1948.  4 years before Armagh made it to its first AI Final.  It's our turn.  Believeland Rocks.

4????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 15, 2016, 02:36:05 AM
5. 1953 for Armagh
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 15, 2016, 09:46:06 PM
Wow, that was a slip-up.  Still, go Tribe!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 16, 2016, 12:01:01 AM
Indians beat the Bluejays 2-1 and take a 2-0 lead in the American League Championship Series.  Next three games in Toronto, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Linkbox on October 16, 2016, 11:07:40 PM
Another bad loss for the fighting Irish at the weekend. Hopefully the clown Kelly is on the way out as he is running out of people to blame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 17, 2016, 07:48:46 AM
The Carolina defence really has fallen off a cliff. Awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 17, 2016, 07:57:06 PM
Raiders sh£t the bed at home again.

Woeful defence, as usual, and an off night for Carr and Crab.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 19, 2016, 02:19:51 PM
Made it to my first NFL game at the weekend. Ravens at Giants. I've no real interest in either team, but decided on being a home supporter.

Craic was superb. Atmosphere was great, and the game was a nail biter.

Started badly for the Giants, looked like they would get hosed, Odell looked in fierce bad humour. Moaning and making hand signals, then got what looked no more than a shoulder charge and hobbled off to the sideline, then down the tunnel - looked very much like he didn't want to be there.

Lucky to be only 10-0 down at that stage, but then the Giants' sub WR catches a TD, and very shortly after Giants get a turnover, and seconds after that, OBJ comes racing back out of the tunnel! "What a ballix" I thought. But bejaysus, wasn't he only awesome when he did get back on the pitch!
 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 19, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
Cardinals back to 3-3 but Jaysus that MNF was a hard watch. 19 penalties and Carson Palmer just does not look happy in himself. David Johnson is having a great year again, and the Offensive line looks like it can zone run block. But pass protection is not great, and I think they are in trouble. Seattle this week. Gulp.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 20, 2016, 07:37:44 PM
Congrats Orais
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 20, 2016, 09:16:24 PM
Thanks, Gabe.  Surprised that we did it with three starting pitchers out.  Would like to see the Cubs make it--two beleaguered teams.  People in Cleveland want Charlie Sheen "Wild Thing" from Major League to throw out the first pitch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 21, 2016, 07:10:19 PM
Bears very poor this year Seanie, mind you injuries aren't helping them. Looks like Cutler is gonna get another chance with Hoyers broken arm.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on October 21, 2016, 08:51:51 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 20, 2016, 09:16:24 PM
Thanks, Gabe.  Surprised that we did it with three starting pitchers out.  Would like to see the Cubs make it--two beleaguered teams.  People in Cleveland want Charlie Sheen "Wild Thing" from Major League to throw out the first pitch.

That would be great.  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 22, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
Saw a remarkable stat before last night's game that Rodgers had the worst completion percentage of any QB in the NFL (minimum 10 attempts) over the previous 16 regular season games.  Quite a long run of poor form from an exceptional player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 22, 2016, 12:24:39 AM
Digging Rodgers' cardigan at the press conference.  ;D

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161021100133-restricted-lebowski-rodgers-sweater-large-169.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2016, 01:43:18 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 22, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
Saw a remarkable stat before last night's game that Rodgers had the worst completion percentage of any QB in the NFL (minimum 10 attempts) over the previous 16 regular season games.  Quite a long run of poor form from an exceptional player

Be careful, you're not allowed to criticise St Aaron around here!!! I got in big trouble for pointing out the start of this funk but to be fair I thought it was only temporary. Everyone's given it the "Rodgers is back" after Thursday but it was a case of eventually getting it done against a team with a beat up defence and no offence. As his fantasy owner in the GAAboard league I'm glad he chucked it almost 60 times but his YPA is still terrible. There's something not right. I honestly thought the return of Jordy Nelson would open up defences for him but it hasn't proved to be the case. I shouldn't be saying this and trying to trade him I suppose!!!

He was at his usual cribbing to the officials for flags too!

The Bears - I don't think they're as bad as their record suggests but you'd have to question the coaches, especially on offence. Injuries have stretched what I thought was a much improved defence but actually improved the offence. Losing Hoyer is one injury too many. Cutler at this stage is a downgrade on Hoyer so it'll be the usual inconsistency until he is booted out the door in January. John Fox has them playing hard but they don't have the talent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 23, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
Auburn put a beating on an Arkansas team that had ran the likes of Ole Miss and Bama close and have won four on the bounce now after starting 1-2 and looking in severe trouble until the end of the LSU game. Still a serious schedule to come with Ole Miss in Oxford next weekend and Georgia in Athens next month for a rivalry game. If they could win out from here it would set up another blockbuster Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa to close out the regular season.. Saban has been getting the digs in early this year saying the Vols' match was the biggest match of the season for Bama. We'll see if that holds true in late November.

The Buckeyes' hype was showed to be unwarranted going up to unranked Penn State and losing, people were trying to make a case for them to be better than Bama up until this weekend. Still have a shot with Michigan still to come but any aura of invincibility is well and truly gone now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 23, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio State end up in the playoffs if they can beat Michigan and if they do they'll be dangerous
However all the usual suspects have looked dodgy apart from Bama. They are a machine. A final 4 of Washington, Ohio state or Michigan,  Alabama and Clemson say would be interesting though. If Auburn won the iron bowl it might throw the cat among the pigeons though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 24, 2016, 08:41:16 AM
Couldn't sleep last night so got up and watched first half of Seahawks-Cards. My God it was awful. Highlights this morning enjoyable though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 24, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
Syf, nobody that I know presented the Buckeyes as invincible.  In fact, with 12 players from last year's team drafted into the NFL, many thought they'd lose 2-3 games, being so young and green.  That said, I agree with AZ that if they run the table they still have a final four shot, but the Michigan game will be a high hurdle to surmount. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 24, 2016, 05:09:32 PM
Seattle: Arizona
I wouldn't recommend watching the entire game but I watched it live on TV last night and what a crazy game. First no touchdown tie game in 44 years!
Turnover after tournover, amazing defensive display by both teams, missed FG's...it was nuts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 24, 2016, 10:38:20 PM
Also, flag after flag, Iceman
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 25, 2016, 03:06:51 AM
Unfortunately, I watched it all:((
It was garbage, defense for both teams were decent, offensively both teams were pure dung...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 08:34:53 AM
Is Osweiler the worst $70m ever spent?

There was one incident in last night's game that confused me. He appeared to throw an incomplete pass. A shite one but a pass nonetheless. The defender picked it up but, assuming it was incomplete like everyone else, didn't try to return it. Refs ruled it a fumble and gave Denver possession. He was throwing the ball forward, wasn't hit and the ball didn't come properly out of his hands but still went forward plenty. Why was it a fumble?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 08:41:31 AM
Did it come out of his hand before he started the actual throw?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 08:44:05 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 08:41:31 AM
Did it come out of his hand before he started the actual throw?

I'd considered that but to my mind it came out as he was throwing forward. It wasn't at the end of his release the way you'd expect a normal throw to be but it wasn't on his back swing. Isn't there a role of thumb about a forward motion or similar?

Have a look here and see what you think:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brock-osweiler-submits-bid-for-worst-fumble-of-the-2016-nfl-season/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
The rule is that if the hand is going forward, with the ball in it, then it is not a fumble, it is a forward pass. If the ball has already left his hand before it starts to come forward, it's a fumble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 10:03:20 AM
That second angle it does look as if the ball is loose in his hand right at the top of his windup, so I can see why they called it a fumble. I would have expected it to be called a forward pass though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 25, 2016, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 25, 2016, 03:06:51 AM
Unfortunately, I watched it all:((
It was garbage, defense for both teams were decent, offensively both teams were pure dung...

Cards had it in field goal position 6 times, and only managed to take 2 of them, thanks to a blocked FG (should have been a flag), a fumble by Palmer, a failed 4th down (ridiculous call) and hitting the post from 24 yards (was 19 yards originally but delay of game penalty put it back 5 yards).

And also managed to have a punt blocked which handed Seattle their 3 pointer in the 4th quarter. Seattle's offence did not make it  into scoring territory once in the first 4 quarters!

Ridiculous match.

Only consolation was Pete Carroll's face when Seattle missed their easy FG kick at the death of OT.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
Hound, why are you a Cards fan?

I didn't watch the game yet, and by all accounts I'm not sure I will. Missed opportunity by the Cards, and they are going to have to end the season on a right streak to make the playoffs. Probably will need to be 10-5-1 or 11-4-1. They've already lost 3 and have Seattle away to come. Not good. The lazy, unfocussed start to the season is really coming home to roost now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 10:14:55 AM
Saw a great tweet about Seattle's first score coming after a spectacular four play, 0 yard drive.

It was just awful. Wilson looked as if some of the injuries might be catching up on him.

If Bobby Wagner should have been flagged by rule for brushing the long snapper with his foot then the rule needs to change. Magnificent piece of athleticism for a guy that size.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 25, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
Hound, why are you a Cards fan?

I'm sorry. I really didnt mean to be.

Used to be a Broncos fan in the late 80s on Channel 4, when Elway was at QB and they were getting to SuperBowls in heroic fashion, and then getting hammered when they got there.

By the time Elway won his rings in the late 90s I'd stopped following it. Just watched the SuperBowls, so didnt enjoy the wins near as much as I would have done had they won in the 80s when I knew the players.

The young lad got into it 5 or 6 years ago (when he was about 6 or 7) and he picked the Cardinals. First of all got Madden on the X-Box, picked the Cards as his team and evenutally won the SuperBowl of course. Then we started watching them together every Sunday, and eventually you can't help but get drawn in. You can't but love Larry. I think we started watching in Peterson's rookie year when he was returning kicks for fun, and of course have watched him become a top CB.

I did ask him at one stage, when he had a clean slate of all 32 teams to pick from, why on earth had he picked these crowd of eejits. He said when the team names came up on Madden for him to pick, he remembered that the Cardinals were champions and so they'd be the team to pick.
Unfortunately he'd got mixed up with St Louis and baseball...

In it for the long haul now though. Hopefully they'll get over to London at some stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 25, 2016, 10:52:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 08:34:53 AM
Is Osweiler the worst $70m ever spent?

There was one incident in last night's game that confused me. He appeared to throw an incomplete pass. A shite one but a pass nonetheless. The defender picked it up but, assuming it was incomplete like everyone else, didn't try to return it. Refs ruled it a fumble and gave Denver possession. He was throwing the ball forward, wasn't hit and the ball didn't come properly out of his hands but still went forward plenty. Why was it a fumble?

He will never see the $70m the way he is playing and i imagine will be away after next season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 11:57:37 AM
A hell of a lot of it is guaranteed though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 25, 2016, 12:03:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 11:57:37 AM
A hell of a lot of it is guaranteed though.

About half of it guaranteed I think 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 25, 2016, 12:32:28 PM
Yup, like 37m apparently. Handy few years work.

Read an article today suggesting that Seattle should go after Joe Thomas and they gave the cap room for it. Haven't paid any attention to salary positions for a while (except the hilarity the Saints produced in 2014) but it surprised me they could afford that calibre of player after re:signing so many of the LoB, the Chancellor stand off, the Wilson contract and the trade for Graham.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 25, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
Hound, why are you a Cards fan?

I'm sorry. I really didnt mean to be.

Used to be a Broncos fan in the late 80s on Channel 4, when Elway was at QB and they were getting to SuperBowls in heroic fashion, and then getting hammered when they got there.

By the time Elway won his rings in the late 90s I'd stopped following it. Just watched the SuperBowls, so didnt enjoy the wins near as much as I would have done had they won in the 80s when I knew the players.

The young lad got into it 5 or 6 years ago (when he was about 6 or 7) and he picked the Cardinals. First of all got Madden on the X-Box, picked the Cards as his team and evenutally won the SuperBowl of course. Then we started watching them together every Sunday, and eventually you can't help but get drawn in. You can't but love Larry. I think we started watching in Peterson's rookie year when he was returning kicks for fun, and of course have watched him become a top CB.

I did ask him at one stage, when he had a clean slate of all 32 teams to pick from, why on earth had he picked these crowd of eejits. He said when the team names came up on Madden for him to pick, he remembered that the Cardinals were champions and so they'd be the team to pick.
Unfortunately he'd got mixed up with St Louis and baseball...

In it for the long haul now though. Hopefully they'll get over to London at some stage.
That came out wrong, I just wondered if you had some connection to Arizona. The more of us the merrier. Believe me, these are the golden days 😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 25, 2016, 02:49:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: Hound on October 25, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2016, 10:10:45 AM
Hound, why are you a Cards fan?

I'm sorry. I really didnt mean to be.

Used to be a Broncos fan in the late 80s on Channel 4, when Elway was at QB and they were getting to SuperBowls in heroic fashion, and then getting hammered when they got there.

By the time Elway won his rings in the late 90s I'd stopped following it. Just watched the SuperBowls, so didnt enjoy the wins near as much as I would have done had they won in the 80s when I knew the players.

The young lad got into it 5 or 6 years ago (when he was about 6 or 7) and he picked the Cardinals. First of all got Madden on the X-Box, picked the Cards as his team and evenutally won the SuperBowl of course. Then we started watching them together every Sunday, and eventually you can't help but get drawn in. You can't but love Larry. I think we started watching in Peterson's rookie year when he was returning kicks for fun, and of course have watched him become a top CB.

I did ask him at one stage, when he had a clean slate of all 32 teams to pick from, why on earth had he picked these crowd of eejits. He said when the team names came up on Madden for him to pick, he remembered that the Cardinals were champions and so they'd be the team to pick.
Unfortunately he'd got mixed up with St Louis and baseball...

In it for the long haul now though. Hopefully they'll get over to London at some stage.
That came out wrong, I just wondered if you had some connection to Arizona. The more of us the merrier. Believe me, these are the golden days 😀
Ah yeah, I knew what you meant! I'm not really sorry :)  I'm genuinely really enjoying the torment of supporting them!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 26, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
OK, let's go Believeland Indians.  Watching TV, all I hear about is the Cubs, apart from Tom Hanks who has been talking up Cleveland  wherever he appears.  Cavs receive their championship rings this evening.  Maybe after that's over, LeBron can go next door and pitch a no-hitter.  Go Tribe!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 26, 2016, 01:07:23 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 26, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
OK, let's go Believeland Indians.  Watching TV, all I hear about is the Cubs, apart from Tom Hanks who has been talking up Cleveland  wherever he appears.  Cavs receive their championship rings this evening.  Maybe after that's over, LeBron can go next door and pitch a no-hitter.  Go Tribe!

Go Cubbies!!!!

A southside Cubs fan for over 40years, I need this!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 26, 2016, 01:31:02 AM
A south side Cubbie?  Isn't that heresy?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 26, 2016, 11:04:23 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 26, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
OK, let's go Believeland Indians.  Watching TV, all I hear about is the Cubs, apart from Tom Hanks who has been talking up Cleveland  wherever he appears.  Cavs receive their championship rings this evening.  Maybe after that's over, LeBron can go next door and pitch a no-hitter.  Go Tribe!

I groaned hard at that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 26, 2016, 11:46:48 AM
Ye still have the Browns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on October 26, 2016, 11:57:39 AM
The money being asked for Friday nights 1st game in Chicago is crazy

http://www.stubhub.com/chicago-cubs-tickets-cubs-vs-indians-10-28-2016/event/9656989/?mbox=1&rS=6&abbyo=true&sliderpos=true&qtyq=false&dUpg=true&sort=price+asc&bla=true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 26, 2016, 12:51:57 PM
1945 and all that. Some eejits will pay it too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 26, 2016, 04:05:17 PM
Kluber pitched brilliantly last night, but he'll probably be expected to pitch three times if it goes to seven games.  Interested to see how Bauer's finger holds up tonight after it was drip, drip, dripping blood last time out. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 27, 2016, 04:16:40 AM
Cubs handle the Indians easily, 5-1.  Arrieta pitched a no-hitter through five innings.  Home field advantage to the Cubs now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 27, 2016, 10:37:33 PM
Heading to Chicago weekend after next. Going to Ireland/All Blacks Sat, Blackhawks Sun and Bulls Mon. Northwestern/Wisconsin also said on Sat but don't think we can get from it to the rugby in time. Also high school football playoffs are on Friday and Saturday evenings so might get to one of those. Group of 8 college buddies going along. Long time planned, tickets sorted for all events.

There will be some buzz in Chicago if the Cubs have won the World Series!

Election results Tuesday night! Home following morning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 27, 2016, 10:38:22 PM
Jaysus some trip. Enjoy!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 27, 2016, 10:45:43 PM
Yeah, can't wait. Should be brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on October 28, 2016, 09:09:56 AM
Jaysus that's be some craic Seanie - Enjoy it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 29, 2016, 04:43:47 AM
Indians beat the Cubs 1-0 to take a 2-1 lead in the Series.  Terrific pitching.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on October 29, 2016, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 29, 2016, 04:43:47 AM
Indians beat the Cubs 1-0 to take a 2-1 lead in the Series.  Terrific pitching.

Coco Crisp the hero!

We need names like that in GAA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 30, 2016, 02:02:46 PM
Indians beat the Cubs 7-2 to take a 3-1 lead in the series.  Our pitching has been unreal.  Cubs favorite breakfast cereal--Coco Crisp.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 31, 2016, 09:00:54 AM
Cubs keep in alive, won 3-2 last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 31, 2016, 03:18:49 PM
The Series stands at 3-2 Indians, returning to Cleveland on Tuesday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2016, 03:37:20 PM
Carolina's D scored me an incredible 30 last night. Of course, they've been shite all year so I benched them in favour of the Bengals, who returned me a wonderful 4. I f**king hate this game sometimes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
I watched the guts of 4 full games last night, and the standard of officiating is a shambles. I thought I was just sour at the Carolina game, but they were crap in all the games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on October 31, 2016, 05:38:41 PM
Jamie collins trades from pats to browns for 3rd round pick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2016, 12:53:25 AM
Auburn looking hot and up to #11 after beating Ole Miss with a come from behind win. Only one meaningful game left on their schedule before the Iron Bowl, but it's against Georgia and that's the next biggest rivalry for the Tigers. Bulldogs are un-ranked but at home and form can go out the window in these sorts of grudge matches..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 01, 2016, 07:54:30 AM
You're very quiet about Carolina this year, Syf. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 01, 2016, 01:33:58 PM
Some job by Da Bears last night. No offensive line, dodgy Jay back, a RB who looked like his wheels had come off after a good start lining up against a hitherto impressive Vikings defence. Only one winner, surely???!!!!

I said it before but I think the Bears are playing hard and are better than their record suggests. Injuries have really hampered them but I think Fox is making progress.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 02, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
Well, the Cubs thump the Indians 9-3 in Game 6 of the Series.  The decider in Cleveland tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 02, 2016, 04:14:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 01, 2016, 01:33:58 PM
Some job by Da Bears last night. No offensive line, dodgy Jay back, a RB who looked like his wheels had come off after a good start lining up against a hitherto impressive Vikings defence. Only one winner, surely???!!!!

I said it before but I think the Bears are playing hard and are better than their record suggests. Injuries have really hampered them but I think Fox is making progress.
Emmmmm.... Which team had no OL??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 02, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 02, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
Well, the Cubs thump the Indians 9-3 in Game 6 of the Series.  The decider in Cleveland tomorrow.

As a neutral wanted Cubs to win tonight. Tomorrow I'm just looking for a close one with plenty of nerves and tension!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on November 02, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 02, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 02, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
Well, the Cubs thump the Indians 9-3 in Game 6 of the Series.  The decider in Cleveland tomorrow.

As a neutral wanted Cubs to win tonight. Tomorrow I'm just looking for a close one with plenty of nerves and tension!

Is this the World Series, and final game of the season?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 02, 2016, 04:29:06 PM
The World Serious, Orior
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 02, 2016, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 02, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on November 02, 2016, 04:15:00 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 02, 2016, 03:42:43 AM
Well, the Cubs thump the Indians 9-3 in Game 6 of the Series.  The decider in Cleveland tomorrow.

As a neutral wanted Cubs to win tonight. Tomorrow I'm just looking for a close one with plenty of nerves and tension!

Is this the World Series, and final game of the season?

Yes it is and maybe I didn't word it correctly as there will obviously be nerves and tensions but I just don't want it to be a blow out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 03, 2016, 01:35:37 AM
The goat is being slaughtered
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 03, 2016, 02:00:33 AM
Suddenly Indians back in the game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 03:19:14 AM
Level pegging 6-6 after 8 innings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 03, 2016, 03:26:29 AM
Jeez thought the Cubs had it in the bag!

Into the 9th now...DRAMA!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 03, 2016, 03:46:55 AM
this is nuts- cant send my 10 year old to bed- losing all of my parenting brownie points right now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 03, 2016, 03:52:52 AM
Extra innings!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 03:53:01 AM
Extra innings...this could take a while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 03:55:22 AM
Rain delay!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:07:25 AM
Quote from: heganboy on November 03, 2016, 03:46:55 AM
this is nuts- cant send my 10 year old to bed- losing all of my parenting brownie points right now.

Keep the kid up and use this.....

http://abc7chicago.com/sports/cubs-share-excuse-note-for-fans-distracted-by-game-7/1585491/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:10:24 AM
My heart can't take this much longer and now a rain delay!!

Come on Cubbies!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 04:11:02 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:07:25 AM
Quote from: heganboy on November 03, 2016, 03:46:55 AM
this is nuts- cant send my 10 year old to bed- losing all of my parenting brownie points right now.

Keep the kid up and use this.....

http://abc7chicago.com/sports/cubs-share-excuse-note-for-fans-distracted-by-game-7/1585491/

Wrong date for excused absence there...but would anyone notice?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 04:12:28 AM
Back to play...12:12am East Coast time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 03, 2016, 04:21:02 AM
Cubbies ahead top of the 10th
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:25:55 AM
You should hear the fireworks going off after that second run in the tenth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 04:40:21 AM
Cubs within an out of victory...but tying run at the plate.  Riveting stuff...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 03, 2016, 04:42:44 AM
C'mon, Davis!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 04:45:08 AM
Run for Cleveland...8-7 Cubs, pitching change with winning run at bat for Tribe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:48:01 AM
Cubs Win! Cubs Win!

The 108 year drought is over!!

Great Game and a Great Series, both teams played spectacular and the sportsmanship top rate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 03, 2016, 04:48:15 AM
Rats!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 04:48:19 AM
Cubs win, Cubs win, Cubs win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 03, 2016, 04:49:14 AM
and its bed time- that was actually worth watching the auld rounders in pyjamas...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:49:26 AM
It sounds like the Fourth of July here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on November 03, 2016, 04:50:25 AM
Great game. Worth staying up for.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 03, 2016, 04:50:56 AM
The goat is slain!

Rain delay helped them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 03, 2016, 05:00:57 AM
Back to the future were just one year out on that Cubs world series win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 05:27:00 AM
Longest drought in the Big Four American sports is now the NFL Cardinals...last win 1947. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 03, 2016, 05:42:46 AM
Normal service resumed in Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on November 03, 2016, 08:39:29 AM
I wonder was Steve Bartman watching...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2016, 08:56:14 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 03, 2016, 05:27:00 AM
Longest drought in the Big Four American sports is now the NFL Cardinals...last win 1947.
Damn Ben Roethlisberger!


Well done Cubbies. It's actually hard to believe, when you think of all the things that happened since they last won it.. 2 World Wars, JFK, Fearon being born. Amazing stuff.

Theo Epstein is some yoke. Ended the Red Sox 80+ years drought, and now has ended the drought of droughts. Unreal.

I went to Wrigley Field one time, sat in the bleachers. A great day. They really, really love the Cubs and the Bears in that town. Delighted for them. Hope the celebrations don't get out of hand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on November 03, 2016, 11:20:51 AM
Has some similarities to Armagh's long wait for an All-Ireland!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 03, 2016, 11:45:39 AM
Tremendous stuff last night - been a great post-season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on November 03, 2016, 04:37:33 PM
Still can't rap my head around "Cubs World Series Champions" but it sounds great.

Woke up late this morning but still enjoying it.

The local news, WGN, had about 5 lads from Carrickfergus on the tv signing Go Cubs Go as they are in town for the Rugby this weekend.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on November 03, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
first time i tuned in for the world series
would have been a big achievment for cleveland too had they won - to have nothing then have the NBA and UFC heavyweight champion in a matter of months the world series would have been a welcome addition.
but happy to see the Cubs win - they're the reason I tuned it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on November 03, 2016, 05:20:06 PM
back to the future was only one year out as well  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Canalman on November 03, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Congrats to them . Wrigley Field one of the 3 baseball grounds I have been to.

Fierce dull game to watch live, much better on the tv. TV doesn't reflect how fast the pitchers throw the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on November 03, 2016, 09:35:21 PM
I would enjoy watching American football and could pass myself watching a game of basketball but baseball has to be one of the most boring things I have ever attempted to watch. I just can't see the appeal or how it is so popular, anyone care to try to explain it to me?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 03, 2016, 10:56:01 PM
I guess there will be some celebrations to join into. I'll see what I can do!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 03, 2016, 11:45:04 PM
After overcoming a 1-3 Basketball lead in the finals Cleveland then lose a 3-1 in the Baseball!
Great to see the Cubbies win it although part of me wanted to see them lose as it's been the great sports heartbreak story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 03, 2016, 09:35:21 PM
I would enjoy watching American football and could pass myself watching a game of basketball but baseball has to be one of the most boring things I have ever attempted to watch. I just can't see the appeal or how it is so popular, anyone care to try to explain it to me?

It's a completely different mindset. You have to get into the strategy of it, and the fact that every pitch is a contest in itself. All major league hitters can hit any pitch as long as they know what's coming, so the battle between pitcher and batter is unique in each case, and is fascinating when you understand it. Each pitcher has several (at major league level) pitches with various speeds and movements. Fastball, slider, curveball, changeup, even knuckleball. Each of these pitches gives a batter a different challenge, and they have to pick up what the pitch is, and react to it, in a fraction of a second. Then the hitter will have preferences, a pull hitter hits across his body like a hurler, and tends to be able to drive it a long way if he catches it flush. An opposite field hitter is able to hit the ball away from himself, a left handed hitter that can go opposite field will hit the ball to his left.

Then you have the field strategy about positioning of the infield, and the outfielders to play against pull hitters etc.

So a game of baseball is a series of strategic battles, and depending on the situation of the game (score, runners on base, etc) even the nature of those battles can change. With 27 outs required to win a game, you see an amount of them and if you appreciate what's going on, it's a very pleasant, mellow way to spend a few hours.

Oviously then you have the physical skills of the pitch, varying speed up to maybe 100 mph or more, making the ball move but still land in an area about 2-3 feet by 1 foot, from over 60 feet away. And then the ability to hit that ball, moving like that, and place it either opposite field, or try and hammer the bejaysus out of it.  And then the ability in the field to track a ball in the air, make a catch, throw it back in accurately to the correct place, or stop a bullet line drive hit at you in the infield. All pretty impressive when you see it up close.

Sometimes baseball gets a bad rap because players like David Ortiz don't exactly look like prime physical specimens, and he isn't, but there are a lot of athletic guys on the team, and some of the athletic feats, or technical proficiencies are very impressive.

And anyway, sitting down for 3 hours eating hot dogs and nachos, and drinking a beer. What's not to like? :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 04, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
That's all well and good AZ but that doesn't necessarily make it enjoyable to watch. For all the talk of strategy etc, which i agree with, a chess match it ain't.

I follow it to an extent but could never watch a full game on TV. Live, with hot dogs and nachos and beer is different - you're not there just for the game, you're there for the whole experience. Same with tailgating parties at football games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2016, 11:56:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 04, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
That's all well and good AZ but that doesn't necessarily make it enjoyable to watch. For all the talk of strategy etc, which i agree with, a chess match it ain't.

I follow it to an extent but could never watch a full game on TV. Live, with hot dogs and nachos and beer is different - you're not there just for the game, you're there for the whole experience. Same with tailgating parties at football games.

Of course it doesn't for some people. Taste is subjective after all. Some people prefer watching football to hurling, some people can't watch soccer at all. He asked me to explain what it is that makes it interesting for some people, and I did.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on November 04, 2016, 01:08:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2016, 11:33:35 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 03, 2016, 09:35:21 PM
I would enjoy watching American football and could pass myself watching a game of basketball but baseball has to be one of the most boring things I have ever attempted to watch. I just can't see the appeal or how it is so popular, anyone care to try to explain it to me?

It's a completely different mindset. You have to get into the strategy of it, and the fact that every pitch is a contest in itself. All major league hitters can hit any pitch as long as they know what's coming, so the battle between pitcher and batter is unique in each case, and is fascinating when you understand it. Each pitcher has several (at major league level) pitches with various speeds and movements. Fastball, slider, curveball, changeup, even knuckleball. Each of these pitches gives a batter a different challenge, and they have to pick up what the pitch is, and react to it, in a fraction of a second. Then the hitter will have preferences, a pull hitter hits across his body like a hurler, and tends to be able to drive it a long way if he catches it flush. An opposite field hitter is able to hit the ball away from himself, a left handed hitter that can go opposite field will hit the ball to his left.

Then you have the field strategy about positioning of the infield, and the outfielders to play against pull hitters etc.

So a game of baseball is a series of strategic battles, and depending on the situation of the game (score, runners on base, etc) even the nature of those battles can change. With 27 outs required to win a game, you see an amount of them and if you appreciate what's going on, it's a very pleasant, mellow way to spend a few hours.

Oviously then you have the physical skills of the pitch, varying speed up to maybe 100 mph or more, making the ball move but still land in an area about 2-3 feet by 1 foot, from over 60 feet away. And then the ability to hit that ball, moving like that, and place it either opposite field, or try and hammer the bejaysus out of it.  And then the ability in the field to track a ball in the air, make a catch, throw it back in accurately to the correct place, or stop a bullet line drive hit at you in the infield. All pretty impressive when you see it up close.

Sometimes baseball gets a bad rap because players like David Ortiz don't exactly look like prime physical specimens, and he isn't, but there are a lot of athletic guys on the team, and some of the athletic feats, or technical proficiencies are very impressive.

And anyway, sitting down for 3 hours eating hot dogs and nachos, and drinking a beer. What's not to like? :)

Tullamore have a Softball team, ya might get yourself down there and do a bit of coaching...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Orior on November 04, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 04, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
That's all well and good AZ but that doesn't necessarily make it enjoyable to watch. For all the talk of strategy etc, which i agree with, a chess match it ain't.

I follow it to an extent but could never watch a full game on TV. Live, with hot dogs and nachos and beer is different - you're not there just for the game, you're there for the whole experience. Same with tailgating parties at football games.

Baseball is not a million miles from cricket. In between pitches would the commentators discuss apple tarts etc?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Yeah, in fairness to gallsman, I always feel baseball is very well suited to radio. A good commentator just goes with the flow of the game, fills the time between innings etc with anecdotes or observations. Some of the best commentators in America are baseball. Vin Scully, the long time LA Dodgers commentator retired this year. A voice like velvet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nwMDZYXTI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nwMDZYXTI)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 04, 2016, 02:14:05 PM
Quote from: Orior on November 04, 2016, 01:42:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 04, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
That's all well and good AZ but that doesn't necessarily make it enjoyable to watch. For all the talk of strategy etc, which i agree with, a chess match it ain't.

I follow it to an extent but could never watch a full game on TV. Live, with hot dogs and nachos and beer is different - you're not there just for the game, you're there for the whole experience. Same with tailgating parties at football games.

Baseball is not a million miles from cricket. In between pitches would the commentators discuss apple tarts etc?

No, they're either talking shite, flogging upcoming shows in the network or advertising.

They're not a million miles apart. Cricket has taken active steps with the introduction of T20 etc to make it more appealing to TV viewers though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 04, 2016, 05:00:52 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 03, 2016, 09:35:21 PM
I would enjoy watching American football and could pass myself watching a game of basketball but baseball has to be one of the most boring things I have ever attempted to watch. I just can't see the appeal or how it is so popular, anyone care to try to explain it to me?

It is a magnificent game, I absolutely love the tradition of baseball, it's rich history, the characters and most especially the incredible skill levels these guys have, I am a Red Sox and Brewers can, I can tell you the atmosphere at the games makes you so relaxed, it is sublime, sorry you don't like it, your loss.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 06, 2016, 10:25:43 PM
Auburn just squeaked past Vandy at home and White being out of a bit with an injury showed that despite not putting up stunning numbers his passing is the glue that give balance to what's now the top ranked offense in the SEC. With the Aggies losing Auburn now control their own fate - win out and they're going to Atlanta for the SEC title game and it's looking increasingly likely a two loss Auburn would take the fourth play-off spot..hopefully no mishaps in Athens next weekend and a blockbuster Iron Bowl is in store.

Some turnaround for the Tigers who were 1-3 to start the season but for a late snap by LSU at the end of that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 06, 2016, 10:36:14 PM
It will be an interesting scenario, Syf.  If Clemson and Washington win out, and either Michigan or OSU wins out, and Alabama finishes with one loss, it will be a tough decision for the committee.  But I'm sure some upset will unfog the situation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 07, 2016, 08:22:58 AM
If all that happens it will be Clemson, Washington, Alabama and Michigan/OSU. Or the SEC champions if it is not Alabama.Auburn needs to win the SEC and if they do they will surely be in. Then the committee will be hoping Michigan wins out so they can say no to Alabama. Remember the criteria. If you are not a conference champion you must be unequivocal better than a conference champ.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 13, 2016, 04:35:27 AM
Stunning upsets in college football today: #2 Clemson loses to unranked Pitt; #3 Michigan loses to unranked Iowa; #4 Washington loses to #25 USC; Auburn loses to Georgia.  Michigan defeat does not help the Buckeyes' chances.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 13, 2016, 05:21:30 AM
crimson tide were really pushed to the limit...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 13, 2016, 10:29:31 AM
Carnage. Alabama look a mile ahead but the rest of the top 4 May as well be a lottery. I'd say Ohio State, Oklahoma and until Satursay Auburn were playing best. You might have a 2 or 3 loss team in there easily. If Auburn beat Bama will they be in with 3 losses, especially if Clemson doesn't look really strong in the last few weeks. What about Louisville?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 16, 2016, 05:50:13 AM
I see the USA soccer team has two losses since Trump won the election...and they playing for a trip to Russia. 

Coincidence, or Policy?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 17, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 16, 2016, 05:50:13 AM
I see the USA soccer team has two losses since Trump won the election...and they playing for a trip to Russia. 

If you were a tank would you want to play football,in Russia?Damned if I would!?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2016, 02:37:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 13, 2016, 10:29:31 AM
Carnage. Alabama look a mile ahead but the rest of the top 4 May as well be a lottery. I'd say Ohio State, Oklahoma and until Satursay Auburn were playing best. You might have a 2 or 3 loss team in there easily. If Auburn beat Bama will they be in with 3 losses, especially if Clemson doesn't look really strong in the last few weeks. What about Louisville?

Louisville are banjoed after last night and maybe Lamar Jackson's Heisman hopes too. Thought it was a difficult one for them and they might struggle but didn't expect them to be hammered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 18, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Had to turn down a ticket to USC v Notre Dame next weekend...gutted!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 18, 2016, 04:07:21 PM
The pack might have one of the worst head coaches in the league, he is going to get fired if they finish .500 or below, in my opinion he should have been gone years ago, pure shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2016, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: stew on November 18, 2016, 04:07:21 PM
The pack might have one of the worst head coaches in the league, he is going to get fired if they finish .500 or below, in my opinion he should have been gone years ago, pure shite.

I'm amazed by this. I understood he was a genius a couple of years ago.

They've no run game, a terrible defence and a suspect o-line. Besides that they're grand. It must be the worst NFC North in history though. I still think they'll win the division but mainly because the other teams are bad. Bears are bad (and have been unlucky with injuries, especially Hoyer who was a huge upgrade on sulky pants) but could easily have a couple of more wins on the board and be in the mix!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 18, 2016, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 18, 2016, 05:18:15 PM
Quote from: stew on November 18, 2016, 04:07:21 PM
The pack might have one of the worst head coaches in the league, he is going to get fired if they finish .500 or below, in my opinion he should have been gone years ago, pure shite.

I'm amazed by this. I understood he was a genius a couple of years ago.

They've no run game, a terrible defence and a suspect o-line. Besides that they're grand. It must be the worst NFC North in history though. I still think they'll win the division but mainly because the other teams are bad. Bears are bad (and have been unlucky with injuries, especially Hoyer who was a huge upgrade on sulky pants) but could easily have a couple of more wins on the board and be in the mix!

We have a mutual friend, he owns a brewery and the best eating house in the city, McCarthy is a decent man and he married a girl from just outside the city but coaching wise I believe he has hurt the Packers and Rodgers in particular due to his ineptitude at play calling and game management, just an opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 21, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Jurgen Klinsmann fired as US national team soccer coach.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 21, 2016, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 21, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Jurgen Klinsmann fired as US national team soccer coach.

Good, the worlds first and worst serial diver, when I was doing my badges in Wisconsin they referred to him constantly in revered tones, he addressed us all at a licensing course and I refused to meet him, brilliant footballer but horrible role model and in my belief wa
s horrendous for the US development wise.

I hope he takes root in the German set up again, he could oversee  Botswana and underachieve!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: muppet on November 21, 2016, 11:05:13 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 21, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
Jurgen Klinsmann fired as US national team soccer coach.

That's the start of it.

Wonder when Brextain fires all those foreign managers.  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 22, 2016, 02:14:26 AM
Pity Auburn lost the Deep South rivalry against Georgia but it was always a real possibility. Alabama the best in the nation by a distance.. no chance War Eagle comes to Tuscaloosa and sends the playoffs into chaos? Yeah, right..

Iron Bowl and 'The Game' the best matchups going on rivalry Saturday. Can Penn State break into the top four?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 22, 2016, 07:04:31 AM
Klinsmann for England!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 22, 2016, 02:16:15 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 22, 2016, 07:04:31 AM
Klinsmann for England!

Brilliant call Seanie. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 22, 2016, 11:37:05 PM
McCarthy and the Packers haven't and refuse to try and reinvent themselves. Belichick has done it in New England, you have to keep evolving or you'll get left behind. Rodgers is running the same offense as 5 years ago.
Rodgers is also a significant part of the problem. He's talented no doubt, , but its no secret that he isn't liked that much in GB. Various past players have called him out , and just isn't a leader . Himself and McCarthy clearly don't see eye to eye , I think McCarthy was OC in SAN Fran when they passed on him for Alex Smith, I'd say he resents him for that possibly?
Anyways, one of them will be leaving , and it won't be Aaron...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 23, 2016, 06:13:09 AM
Raiders pull it off again. Carr is a serious operator.

USC game got moved to 12.30 meaning I can now go. Rose Bowl is a sight to be hold on game day, can't wait.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 23, 2016, 07:27:40 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 22, 2016, 11:37:05 PM
McCarthy and the Packers haven't and refuse to try and reinvent themselves. Belichick has done it in New England, you have to keep evolving or you'll get left behind. Rodgers is running the same offense as 5 years ago.
Rodgers is also a significant part of the problem. He's talented no doubt, , but its no secret that he isn't liked that much in GB. Various past players have called him out , and just isn't a leader . Himself and McCarthy clearly don't see eye to eye , I think McCarthy was OC in SAN Fran when they passed on him for Alex Smith, I'd say he resents him for that possibly?
Anyways, one of them will be leaving , and it won't be Aaron...

Rodgers is revered in Green Bay, its just that he replaced Favre, now he was a man they idolized as much, if not more than Bart Starr.

If that tube missed on Aaron Rodgers he deserves to be fired, the man is one of the all time great quarterbacks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2016, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 22, 2016, 02:14:26 AM
Pity Auburn lost the Deep South rivalry against Georgia but it was always a real possibility. Alabama the best in the nation by a distance.. no chance War Eagle comes to Tuscaloosa and sends the playoffs into chaos? Yeah, right..

Iron Bowl and 'The Game' the best matchups going on rivalry Saturday. Can Penn State break into the top four?

If Ohio State beat Michigan, and Penn State win their last game, Penn State will go to the Big 10 Championship Game because they'll have the head to head over Ohio State. If they then win that game, they'll surely be in. The only question would be whether Ohio State would join them. Alabama can lose the Iron Bowl and will still be #1 I believe. They're clearly the best team this year so far. Clemson should be in as well. So the intrigue will be if Ohio State wins, and Penn State wins the Big 10, will Ohio State and Penn State be in, or will it be Penn State and Oklahoma or Washington, assuming they win their conferences.

I should say that the same probably applies to Wisconsin if it's themselves and PEnn State in the Big 10 title game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 26, 2016, 03:59:56 PM
Go Buckeyes! Beat TTUN!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on November 26, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Raiders O is as good as any in the league and that's with a very average lead back.

If MEJ and/or Alden Sith were available they would be real contenders. As it is they need another season sorting out the D, including getting a Top class D coordinator
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 26, 2016, 09:07:24 PM
Ohio State beats Michigan 30-27 in 2 OT.  Kicker had missed two easy chip field goals during game, but DEF comes through yet again with interceptions.  Go Bucks!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 26, 2016, 09:19:04 PM
Contest to see who had.a worse offense. Horrible game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 26, 2016, 09:52:12 PM
But if you have a rooting interest, hegan, it was thrilling.  Luckily, the game is about defense as well as offense.  Now, can Sparty pull an upset and beat the Nitany Lions?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 26, 2016, 11:29:39 PM
Alabama are wrecking this. They're just too good.

Did Lamar Jackson lose the Heisman with that costly late fumble? Video game numbers all year. Who'd be the other contenders?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2016, 08:25:21 AM
Main one is probably desean Watson at Clemson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 28, 2016, 01:38:55 PM
Auburn played hard in the Iron Bowl, their defense living up to billing, but they got nothing on offense for the second big game in succession. White was nothing special all year but at his best he gave balance to what could be a devestating running game. But when you're one dimensional the good teams find you out. Auburn need to find a QB for next year, and you wonder if Mr. Last Chance U JF3 is the answer. Malzahn has survived a season that could have ended his tenure but the seat will be hot again next year in the Plains.

Now that there's no conflict of interest.. Roll Tide. On the verge of becoming the best team there ever was in college football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 28, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
You have to admire Saban and the tide, but I hope someone else beats them this year. Not sure Ohio State are that someone, in fact I don't know that that someone exists. If you look at the main contenders now, it's probably Clemson, Alabama, and then any 2 from Penn State/Wisconsin or Ohio State/Washington/Oklahoma.

I think Washington dodged a bullet in USC, which is a much different team than it was in the early weeks, and they should beat Colorado. Is that good enough to get in? Would they take 2 from the Big10? And if not, surely they can't take out Penn State if they beat Wisconsin, as they already beat OSU. If Wisconsin wins, maybe OSU jumps them.

All very interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 28, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
Have a passing interest in the college game, why are Alabama so consistently good? Is it their recruiting, is it Saban ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 28, 2016, 03:41:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 28, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
Have a passing interest in the college game, why are Alabama so consistently good? Is it their recruiting, is it Saban ?

They are an historic program with the likes of Bear Bryant, so they have tradition. Their location helps as they can recruit the south, and do. But they were 'down' before Saban came, and he has been unreal. He's like Belichick at college level. Talent wise the likes of LSU, USC, Oklahoma etc would be similar, but Saban has the hoodoo over them all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 28, 2016, 06:12:07 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 28, 2016, 03:41:19 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 28, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
Have a passing interest in the college game, why are Alabama so consistently good? Is it their recruiting, is it Saban ?

They are an historic program with the likes of Bear Bryant, so they have tradition. Their location helps as they can recruit the south, and do. But they were 'down' before Saban came, and he has been unreal. He's like Belichick at college level. Talent wise the likes of LSU, USC, Oklahoma etc would be similar, but Saban has the hoodoo over them all.

UA (Tuscalosa) sucks so much atheletics money from its sister (and in many ways bigger) campus in Birmingham. UAB has a world class medical school and their budget is actually about four times that of Tuscaloosa's. Many of the pro athletes in America and around the world are sent to Birmingham for treatment, if they can afford it. Something mad like 10% of the population of the city are employed by the health system that UAB is at the core of.

UAB had to shut down its football program a few years ago when they were starting to become relevant as a bowl contender. Lots of talk of Tuscaloosa having huge sway over that call. They re-opened their football program again but it's set them back years, something that will have pleased the hawks in Tuscaloosa that are probably more afraid of UAB becoming a force than they are of any opponent on the football field.

The Tide are incredible on the field, if they win it this year they simply are the number one dynasty in college football history. But off the field it's harder to like them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 29, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Looks like Rodgers is back to near his best
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 29, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 29, 2016, 08:33:05 AM
Looks like Rodgers is back to near his best

To little too late for Green Bay. :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2016, 12:28:08 AM
College Football Rankings:
1. Alabama
2. Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Washington
5. Michigan
6. Wisconsin
7. Penn State
8. Colorado
9. Oklahoma
10. Oklahoma State

So, with one week to go, what four teams will make the playoff? I think it's going to remain this way. If Washington loses, it will be interesting to see what the committee will do with Michigan.  Think the Buckeyes will remain in the top four.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2016, 08:13:18 AM
If Penn State beat Wisconsin and Washington beat Colorado, Ohio State are in bother. A non conference champion has to be unequivocally better than a champion. Given Penn State beat them, that's a hard sell. It may come down to Ohio State and Washington. Again it would be hard to say they are unequivocally better, so I think Ohio State needs to hope Wisconsin or Colorado or Va Tech wins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 30, 2016, 07:24:22 PM
For some reason, the selection committee seems to think there's a big gap between Ohio State and Penn State (I do too), so I think the Nittany Lions will have to do more than just beat Wisconsin to get in.  They'll have to whup them.  Mind you, last year I thought the Buckeyes were one of the best four teams in the country (they had,  what was it, 13 NFL players, including Zeke Elliott), but the committee didnt vote them in.  So hoping for a Wisconsin win.  Can't imagine Clemson losing and think Washington should handle Colorado.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
But Penn State beat Ohio State. Head to head is one of the criteria. Conference Champion is another. If Penn State have both and don't get ranked higher, then the committee is going to have some explaining to do.

If Clemson, PSU and Washington all win,it's going to be very interesting. If one or more of them lose, the committee is off the hook.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
AZ, remember Penn State lost to Michigan 49-10...and also lost to Pittsburgh.  Can't see them leaping over Michigan, no matter how big a win over Wisconsin.

Clemson should beat Va Tech to hold third spot.  I'm not sure about Washington beating Colorado - the game is in Santa Clara, CA so weather should not be a factor.  If Colorado win, it means Washington drop to 5 and Michigan go up to 4 and are in the playoff.  That would put two Big Ten teams in the playoffs, neither of whom even played in their conference final. 

That would be crazy.  There has to be a few GAA lads on the committee is the only conclusion I can come to.

One of the sports chat shows today suggested the BCS standings be revealed only once, after the conference championship games.  But that would eliminate news and discussion on the interim weekly polls and that would not be welcome.

Alabama should win it all comfortably anyway.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
Gronk out indefinetly for Pats, needs a back surgery tomorrow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
Gronk out indefinetly for Pats, needs a back surgery tomorrow

Lad has been in bits for years. Vastly overrated because if he can't stay healthy it doesn't really matter how good he is when fit because he can't be relied on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2016, 08:36:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
Gronk out indefinetly for Pats, needs a back surgery tomorrow

Lad has been in bits for years. Vastly overrated because if he can't stay healthy it doesn't really matter how good he is when fit because he can't be relied on.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is finished
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 02, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
He was still awesome in the middle of the season and hopefully this back surgery sorts him out. I have the other buck blocked but when he's quoted you get to see his rubbish. Overrated? Give me strength. Definite future hall of famer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
AZ, remember Penn State lost to Michigan 49-10...and also lost to Pittsburgh.  Can't see them leaping over Michigan, no matter how big a win over Wisconsin.

Clemson should beat Va Tech to hold third spot.  I'm not sure about Washington beating Colorado - the game is in Santa Clara, CA so weather should not be a factor.  If Colorado win, it means Washington drop to 5 and Michigan go up to 4 and are in the playoff.  That would put two Big Ten teams in the playoffs, neither of whom even played in their conference final. 

That would be crazy.  There has to be a few GAA lads on the committee is the only conclusion I can come to.

One of the sports chat shows today suggested the BCS standings be revealed only once, after the conference championship games.  But that would eliminate news and discussion on the interim weekly polls and that would not be welcome.

Alabama should win it all comfortably anyway.

If Penn State win the Big 10, and don't go, there will be war. In my mind the only way Michigan get in is if Wisconsin win, and Washington or Clemson lose. In that case it would be Alabama, Ohio State, Washington/Clemson or Michigan/Wisconsin

If Penn State win, I think they go because they have 1 loss, beat Ohio State, and won the Big 10. The committee has always said they value Championships immensely.

If Penn State Win, Washington Win and Clemson Win, I think it will be Alabama, Penn State, Clemson and either Ohio State or Washington.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 02, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
Former Jets player Joe McKnight killed in New Orleans in apparent road rage incident.

Witness says that the killer stood over him, told him he'd told him not to f**k with him, and shot him.

After waiting for the cops and handing over the gun, the killer was released without charge after questioning.

There's a news conference due later. I guess we should wait to hear what the police say before commenting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/sports/football/suspect-in-killing-of-joe-mcknight-former-jets-player-is-freed-without-charge.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/02/sports/football/suspect-in-killing-of-joe-mcknight-former-jets-player-is-freed-without-charge.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 02, 2016, 07:27:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
AZ, remember Penn State lost to Michigan 49-10...and also lost to Pittsburgh.  Can't see them leaping over Michigan, no matter how big a win over Wisconsin.

Clemson should beat Va Tech to hold third spot.  I'm not sure about Washington beating Colorado - the game is in Santa Clara, CA so weather should not be a factor.  If Colorado win, it means Washington drop to 5 and Michigan go up to 4 and are in the playoff.  That would put two Big Ten teams in the playoffs, neither of whom even played in their conference final. 

That would be crazy.  There has to be a few GAA lads on the committee is the only conclusion I can come to.

One of the sports chat shows today suggested the BCS standings be revealed only once, after the conference championship games.  But that would eliminate news and discussion on the interim weekly polls and that would not be welcome.

Alabama should win it all comfortably anyway.

If Penn State win the Big 10, and don't go, there will be war. In my mind the only way Michigan get in is if Wisconsin win, and Washington or Clemson lose. In that case it would be Alabama, Ohio State, Washington/Clemson or Michigan/Wisconsin

If Penn State win, I think they go because they have 1 loss, beat Ohio State, and won the Big 10. The committee has always said they value Championships immensely.

If Penn State Win, Washington Win and Clemson Win, I think it will be Alabama, Penn State, Clemson and either Ohio State or Washington.

If Washington win they have to be in. Colorado at at 8 now, that a hard game. I can't see Penn state jumping Washington if both win. The Pac 12 will get one team in if Washington win, you really can't have two Big 10 teams in if they are 12-1.
I think it will end up Alabama, Clemson, Washington and one of Ohio or Penn state.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 02, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
AZ, remember Penn State lost to Michigan 49-10...and also lost to Pittsburgh.  Can't see them leaping over Michigan, no matter how big a win over Wisconsin.

Clemson should beat Va Tech to hold third spot.  I'm not sure about Washington beating Colorado - the game is in Santa Clara, CA so weather should not be a factor.  If Colorado win, it means Washington drop to 5 and Michigan go up to 4 and are in the playoff.  That would put two Big Ten teams in the playoffs, neither of whom even played in their conference final. 

That would be crazy.  There has to be a few GAA lads on the committee is the only conclusion I can come to.

One of the sports chat shows today suggested the BCS standings be revealed only once, after the conference championship games.  But that would eliminate news and discussion on the interim weekly polls and that would not be welcome.

Alabama should win it all comfortably anyway.

If Penn State win the Big 10, and don't go, there will be war. In my mind the only way Michigan get in is if Wisconsin win, and Washington or Clemson lose. In that case it would be Alabama, Ohio State, Washington/Clemson or Michigan/Wisconsin

If Penn State win, I think they go because they have 1 loss, beat Ohio State, and won the Big 10. The committee has always said they value Championships immensely.

If Penn State Win, Washington Win and Clemson Win, I think it will be Alabama, Penn State, Clemson and either Ohio State or Washington.

Penn State have 2 losses, AZ.  Hammered by Michigan and lost to Pittsburgh as well.  Michigan did not drop from No 2 when they lost to Iowa on a late field goal.  That is keeping them in the conversation, and that alone. They should have dropped to 4 that week, and to 6 after losing to Ohio State.  But they didn't. 

Rarely to teams drop when they don't play...that is the Big Ten's problem, with Ohio State and Michigan not playing any more games. I see the top 4 staying the same...Alabama play Michigan, Ohio State get Clemson.  Alabama to have two easy wins, unless a raft of suspensions appear for academic or social reasons - every year at least one school loses 4 or 5 players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2016, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 02, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
AZ, remember Penn State lost to Michigan 49-10...and also lost to Pittsburgh.  Can't see them leaping over Michigan, no matter how big a win over Wisconsin.

Clemson should beat Va Tech to hold third spot.  I'm not sure about Washington beating Colorado - the game is in Santa Clara, CA so weather should not be a factor.  If Colorado win, it means Washington drop to 5 and Michigan go up to 4 and are in the playoff.  That would put two Big Ten teams in the playoffs, neither of whom even played in their conference final. 

That would be crazy.  There has to be a few GAA lads on the committee is the only conclusion I can come to.

One of the sports chat shows today suggested the BCS standings be revealed only once, after the conference championship games.  But that would eliminate news and discussion on the interim weekly polls and that would not be welcome.

Alabama should win it all comfortably anyway.

If Penn State win the Big 10, and don't go, there will be war. In my mind the only way Michigan get in is if Wisconsin win, and Washington or Clemson lose. In that case it would be Alabama, Ohio State, Washington/Clemson or Michigan/Wisconsin

If Penn State win, I think they go because they have 1 loss, beat Ohio State, and won the Big 10. The committee has always said they value Championships immensely.

If Penn State Win, Washington Win and Clemson Win, I think it will be Alabama, Penn State, Clemson and either Ohio State or Washington.

Penn State have 2 losses, AZ.  Hammered by Michigan and lost to Pittsburgh as well.  Michigan did not drop from No 2 when they lost to Iowa on a late field goal.  That is keeping them in the conversation, and that alone. They should have dropped to 4 that week, and to 6 after losing to Ohio State.  But they didn't. 

Rarely to teams drop when they don't play...that is the Big Ten's problem, with Ohio State and Michigan not playing any more games. I see the top 4 staying the same...Alabama play Michigan, Ohio State get Clemson.  Alabama to have two easy wins, unless a raft of suspensions appear for academic or social reasons - every year at least one school loses 4 or 5 players.

..except Michigan are #5 not #4. If the rankings stay as is Washington play the Tide.

If everyone playing this weekend wins Penn State have to get in and if justice is done it will be at Ohio's expense. Ignoring a win v a team in the top four and a Power Five title would do an incredible amount of damage to the credibility of the new playoff system and its committee.

The sooner this expands to eight teams the better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 02, 2016, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 02, 2016, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 02, 2016, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 02, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on November 30, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
AZ, remember Penn State lost to Michigan 49-10...and also lost to Pittsburgh.  Can't see them leaping over Michigan, no matter how big a win over Wisconsin.

Clemson should beat Va Tech to hold third spot.  I'm not sure about Washington beating Colorado - the game is in Santa Clara, CA so weather should not be a factor.  If Colorado win, it means Washington drop to 5 and Michigan go up to 4 and are in the playoff.  That would put two Big Ten teams in the playoffs, neither of whom even played in their conference final. 

That would be crazy.  There has to be a few GAA lads on the committee is the only conclusion I can come to.

One of the sports chat shows today suggested the BCS standings be revealed only once, after the conference championship games.  But that would eliminate news and discussion on the interim weekly polls and that would not be welcome.

Alabama should win it all comfortably anyway.

If Penn State win the Big 10, and don't go, there will be war. In my mind the only way Michigan get in is if Wisconsin win, and Washington or Clemson lose. In that case it would be Alabama, Ohio State, Washington/Clemson or Michigan/Wisconsin

If Penn State win, I think they go because they have 1 loss, beat Ohio State, and won the Big 10. The committee has always said they value Championships immensely.

If Penn State Win, Washington Win and Clemson Win, I think it will be Alabama, Penn State, Clemson and either Ohio State or Washington.

Penn State have 2 losses, AZ.  Hammered by Michigan and lost to Pittsburgh as well.  Michigan did not drop from No 2 when they lost to Iowa on a late field goal.  That is keeping them in the conversation, and that alone. They should have dropped to 4 that week, and to 6 after losing to Ohio State.  But they didn't. 

Rarely to teams drop when they don't play...that is the Big Ten's problem, with Ohio State and Michigan not playing any more games. I see the top 4 staying the same...Alabama play Michigan, Ohio State get Clemson.  Alabama to have two easy wins, unless a raft of suspensions appear for academic or social reasons - every year at least one school loses 4 or 5 players.

..except Michigan are #5 not #4. If the rankings stay as is Washington play the Tide.

If everyone playing this weekend wins Penn State have to get in and if justice is done it will be at Ohio's expense. Ignoring a win v a team in the top four and a Power Five title would do an incredible amount of damage to the credibility of the new playoff system and its committee.

The sooner this expands to eight teams the better.

Nail on head there with expand to eight teams.  The arguments between 8 and 9 would be less dramatic as neither would be legitimate contenders.  Or maybe 6, with a bye week for the top two?

Indeed Washington are 4 and Michigan 5...I think the best upset possibility is Colorado beating Washington or playing them close enough to let Michigan back up to 4.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 02, 2016, 10:50:19 PM
I disagree with your take on OSU, Syf. Yes, the Buckeyes lost to Penn St. but their overall resume is stronger. This defeat was a slip-up.  The selection committee is supposed to pick the best four teams in the country, and the Buckeyes are one of the best four. The committee is also of the opinion (as stated on ESPN) that the gap between OSU and PSU is big.  The only way for the Lions to bridge that gap would not only be for them to beat Wisconsin, but to do so comprehensively.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 03, 2016, 05:43:39 AM
Washington 41-10 over Colorado...should lock in number 4 spot for Washington, and up to three if Clemson lose or under-perform.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2016, 08:18:32 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 03, 2016, 05:43:39 AM
Washington 41-10 over Colorado...should lock in number 4 spot for Washington, and up to three if Clemson lose or under-perform.

Yep. If they were 4 before, it's going to be hard to keep a 1 loss power 5 champ out. I think that's Michigan gone now. I genuinely think Ohio State is at risk if Penn State win. They beat Ohio State and they would be Big10 champion. I think the committee is praying for Wisconsin.  Or Va tech.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 03, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
Early into the game but Florida leads Alabama 7-0 in the "Swamp" which will help them. Florida's D is their strength so there is hope. God do I hate Nick Saban!! Go Gators!! Go Big Ten!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 03, 2016, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on December 03, 2016, 09:31:46 PM
Early into the game but Florida leads Alabama 7-0 in the "Swamp" which will help them. Florida's D is their strength so there is hope. God do I hate Nick Saban!! Go Gators!! Go Big Ten!!

Neutral site here - Atlanta.  Alabama now up 23-9 early in second quarter.

Edit: Alabama up 33-16 at halftime.

Edit 2: Final score Alabama 54 Florida 16
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 03, 2016, 11:43:09 PM
how can i watch the Penn state game? not on BT as far as i can see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 04, 2016, 02:53:44 AM
Wisconsin leading Penn State 28-14 at the half

Wisconsin leading Penn State 31-28 at the end of 3rd Q. PSU with momentum

Penn State wins 38-31

Not a result the Buckeyes wanted.  What does the committee do now? Think it will be Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington, but wouldn't be stunned if the Buckeyes got bumped.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 04:49:51 AM
Final scores...

Penn State 38 Wisconsin 31

Clemson 42 VA Tech 35
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2016, 02:53:44 AM
Wisconsin leading Penn State 28-14 at the half

Wisconsin leading Penn State 31-28 at the end of 3rd Q. PSU with momentum

Penn State wins 38-31

Not a result the Buckeyes wanted.  What does the committee do now? Think it will be Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington, but wouldn't be stunned if the Buckeyes got bumped.

This is the first real test of the committees principles. They are forever saying they place a huge emphasis on conference titles and head to head as well as schedule strength. Washington would be shocked to be bumped now. Clemson seem to be a darling team but they might be at risk. However it may well be between the Big 10 teams for the last spot.

Put it like this. If I told you Ohio State had just won the Big 10, beating 6th ranked Wisconsin, and had the head to head over Penn State, but Penn State were ranked 2 before this weekend happened, then I'd bet everything that Ohio State would get in.

It's going to be very interesting and has implications for the playoffs down the line if they back away from their line that a non champ has to be unequivocally better than a champ to bump them, given that PSU beat OSU on the field.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Not so AZ.  The emphasis is on having the best teams in the last 4, not necessarily conference champions. That is a stated strategy, if that is the right word.

The committee have erred along the road to this point...especially by not dropping Michigan earlier (after the loss to Iowa). 

Where is the Big 10 now...Penn State won the title, but lost heavily to Michigan and also to Pitt.  Michigan lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to Penn State.  The loss by Penn State to Pitt should eliminate them from national title contenders. Wisconsin lost to both Ohio State and Michigan, plus Penn State, so they are out. 

I say the final four are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington.  But I've been wrong on most things...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Not so AZ.  The emphasis is on having the best teams in the last 4, not necessarily conference champions. That is a stated strategy, if that is the right word.

The committee have erred along the road to this point...especially by not dropping Michigan earlier (after the loss to Iowa). 

Where is the Big 10 now...Penn State won the title, but lost heavily to Michigan and also to Pitt.  Michigan lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to Penn State.  The loss by Penn State to Pitt should eliminate them from national title contenders. Wisconsin lost to both Ohio State and Michigan, plus Penn State, so they are out. 

I say the final four are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington.  But I've been wrong on most things...

Ball hopper I'm sure 100% that the committee says 'where a non conference champion and a conference champion are being considered, the non conference champion MUST be unequivocally better than the conference champion. They have constantly said that, since day 1 3 years ago. I'm absolutely 100% sure that is the case.

So, if Ohio State are to get in, the committee must rate them as UNEQUIVOCALLY better than either Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State or Oklahoma. I think they will view them as better than Oklahoma, but to say they are better than Penn State, when Penn State beat them , is a stretch.

I'm not arguing that Penn State are better than Ohio state by the way. I think neutral field OSU probably beats them, but key word is probably. If they view them as unequivocally better, then they better explain how and why, very very clearly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 01:06:36 PM
This is the college football selection committee protocols, and shows you where I am coming from.

http://d30ratpzqzalg7.cloudfront.net/CD-drupal-cfp-PROD/s3fs-public/CFP%20Selection%20Committee%20Protocol.pdf?tV3FOZ68If3qops3X7XJQFmkEd00PiAY (http://d30ratpzqzalg7.cloudfront.net/CD-drupal-cfp-PROD/s3fs-public/CFP%20Selection%20Committee%20Protocol.pdf?tV3FOZ68If3qops3X7XJQFmkEd00PiAY)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2016, 03:04:46 PM
I can see Penn State being left out but it will do massive damage to the committee's credibility.

They now own two wins v. current top six teams as well as a conference title. Ohio are the odd man out but the committee seem to have a hard on for the Buckeyes and Urban Meyer. You can have all the good press you want but the team on the outside looking in has a win over you and won your division and conference titles. You can make the case they deserve to be in on their other performances but the cons are concrete and the pluses are nebulous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Not so AZ.  The emphasis is on having the best teams in the last 4, not necessarily conference champions. That is a stated strategy, if that is the right word.

The committee have erred along the road to this point...especially by not dropping Michigan earlier (after the loss to Iowa). 

Where is the Big 10 now...Penn State won the title, but lost heavily to Michigan and also to Pitt.  Michigan lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to Penn State.  The loss by Penn State to Pitt should eliminate them from national title contenders. Wisconsin lost to both Ohio State and Michigan, plus Penn State, so they are out. 

I say the final four are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington.  But I've been wrong on most things...

Ball hopper I'm sure 100% that the committee says 'where a non conference champion and a conference champion are being considered, the non conference champion MUST be unequivocally better than the conference champion. They have constantly said that, since day 1 3 years ago. I'm absolutely 100% sure that is the case.

So, if Ohio State are to get in, the committee must rate them as UNEQUIVOCALLY better than either Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State or Oklahoma. I think they will view them as better than Oklahoma, but to say they are better than Penn State, when Penn State beat them , is a stretch.

I'm not arguing that Penn State are better than Ohio state by the way. I think neutral field OSU probably beats them, but key word is probably. If they view them as unequivocally better, then they better explain how and why, very very clearly.

From the first paragraph of the document quoted... "For purposes of any four team playoff, the process will inevitably need to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate."  Note the term "the four best teams". This has been at the heart of all the discussion on the sports talk shows the last month.  This committee have built up an odd reputation for themselves for sure. I still don't know how Michigan held on to the number two slot when they lost to Iowa.   They also appear to be kind to Ohio State as you suggest, at the cost of Penn State.

If the committee charter was based solely on conference winners, why would they even meet before today?  I say Ohio State are in the four and Penn State are out - they wil not drop a team from two to five when they did not even play this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2016, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Not so AZ.  The emphasis is on having the best teams in the last 4, not necessarily conference champions. That is a stated strategy, if that is the right word.

The committee have erred along the road to this point...especially by not dropping Michigan earlier (after the loss to Iowa). 

Where is the Big 10 now...Penn State won the title, but lost heavily to Michigan and also to Pitt.  Michigan lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to Penn State.  The loss by Penn State to Pitt should eliminate them from national title contenders. Wisconsin lost to both Ohio State and Michigan, plus Penn State, so they are out. 

I say the final four are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington.  But I've been wrong on most things...

Ball hopper I'm sure 100% that the committee says 'where a non conference champion and a conference champion are being considered, the non conference champion MUST be unequivocally better than the conference champion. They have constantly said that, since day 1 3 years ago. I'm absolutely 100% sure that is the case.

So, if Ohio State are to get in, the committee must rate them as UNEQUIVOCALLY better than either Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State or Oklahoma. I think they will view them as better than Oklahoma, but to say they are better than Penn State, when Penn State beat them , is a stretch.

I'm not arguing that Penn State are better than Ohio state by the way. I think neutral field OSU probably beats them, but key word is probably. If they view them as unequivocally better, then they better explain how and why, very very clearly.

From the first paragraph of the document quoted... "For purposes of any four team playoff, the process will inevitably need to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate."  Note the term "the four best teams". This has been at the heart of all the discussion on the sports talk shows the last month.  This committee have built up an odd reputation for themselves for sure. I still don't know how Michigan held on to the number two slot when they lost to Iowa.   They also appear to be kind to Ohio State as you suggest, at the cost of Penn State.

If the committee charter was based solely on conference winners, why would they even meet before today?  I say Ohio State are in the four and Penn State are out - they wil not drop a team from two to five when they did not even play this weekend.

All the teams that would cause Ohio to drop won conferences this weekend. Conference titles count for a lot more than sitting on your arse this weekend because you lost a big game, at least to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 04, 2016, 05:55:49 PM
The committee's task is to choose the four best teams, and undoubtedly Ohio State is one of those four.  As important as conference titles are, there are five power conferences, so obviously not all champions will make it. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2016, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Not so AZ.  The emphasis is on having the best teams in the last 4, not necessarily conference champions. That is a stated strategy, if that is the right word.

The committee have erred along the road to this point...especially by not dropping Michigan earlier (after the loss to Iowa). 

Where is the Big 10 now...Penn State won the title, but lost heavily to Michigan and also to Pitt.  Michigan lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to Penn State.  The loss by Penn State to Pitt should eliminate them from national title contenders. Wisconsin lost to both Ohio State and Michigan, plus Penn State, so they are out. 

I say the final four are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington.  But I've been wrong on most things...

Ball hopper I'm sure 100% that the committee says 'where a non conference champion and a conference champion are being considered, the non conference champion MUST be unequivocally better than the conference champion. They have constantly said that, since day 1 3 years ago. I'm absolutely 100% sure that is the case.

So, if Ohio State are to get in, the committee must rate them as UNEQUIVOCALLY better than either Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State or Oklahoma. I think they will view them as better than Oklahoma, but to say they are better than Penn State, when Penn State beat them , is a stretch.

I'm not arguing that Penn State are better than Ohio state by the way. I think neutral field OSU probably beats them, but key word is probably. If they view them as unequivocally better, then they better explain how and why, very very clearly.

From the first paragraph of the document quoted... "For purposes of any four team playoff, the process will inevitably need to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate."  Note the term "the four best teams". This has been at the heart of all the discussion on the sports talk shows the last month.  This committee have built up an odd reputation for themselves for sure. I still don't know how Michigan held on to the number two slot when they lost to Iowa.   They also appear to be kind to Ohio State as you suggest, at the cost of Penn State.

If the committee charter was based solely on conference winners, why would they even meet before today?  I say Ohio State are in the four and Penn State are out - they wil not drop a team from two to five when they did not even play this weekend.

All the teams that would cause Ohio to drop won conferences this weekend. Conference titles count for a lot more than sitting on your arse this weekend because you lost a big game, at least to me.

Agree on that.  The committee have got it wrong by loving both Ohio State and Michigan. But Penn State lost to Pitt, should that result knock them out of consideration completely?  Seems it does. Pitt also beat Clemson by the way. 

Alabama look to be in a different class.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 06:04:23 PM
Ball Hopper, why do you cherry pick that phrase and ignore the one where they say the place a premium on Conference champions, and head to head record? The only reason that Penn State could not be ranked ahead of Ohio State is if they think Ohio State is far, far better than Penn State, which is odd, considering Penn State beat them, and beat them in a late season game.

I don't have a problem with the concept of picking the 4 best teams, but the criteria is there to help you determine what is 'best'. And in this case they have either ignored it, or else decided it wasn't relevant because the teams aren't in the same stratosphere. Which is odd given the final rankings of #3 and #5.

Also, they absolutely screwed TCU a few years ago because they didn't play a conference championship game, they dropped from 3 to 6 after winning their last Big 12 game by a cricket score.

The hosed the Big 12 the same year, or maybe another year actually, because they declared co-champions. Baylor and someone else. Maybe it was TCU actually. The rationale was that the conference championship was a key determinant.

They slated Baylors Non conference schedule, and yet this year they allow Washington in, whose NCS is probably as bad or worse.

Look, I have no problem with a subjective assessment, but I think it's very stupid when they contradict themselves year on year, or even week on week, and it must be very frustrating if you are involved in a team.  What they should just say is 'We think these teams are the best, and that's that'.

And as for Penn State and Ohio State, I guarantee that if you swapped their helmets, and it was a 7th ranked Ohio State that won the conference title this weekend, and beat the #2 ranked team a few weeks ago, they would absolutely be in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 06:05:30 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2016, 05:55:49 PM
The committee's task is to choose the four best teams, and undoubtedly Ohio State is one of those four.  As important as conference titles are, there are five power conferences, so obviously not all champions will make it.

Why undoubtedly oraisteach? On what basis? Penn State beat them. They didn't win their division. They didn't win their Conference. You may argue they are better, but I'm not sure you can say undoubtedly.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 06:09:03 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2016, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Not so AZ.  The emphasis is on having the best teams in the last 4, not necessarily conference champions. That is a stated strategy, if that is the right word.

The committee have erred along the road to this point...especially by not dropping Michigan earlier (after the loss to Iowa). 

Where is the Big 10 now...Penn State won the title, but lost heavily to Michigan and also to Pitt.  Michigan lost to Ohio State. Ohio State lost to Penn State.  The loss by Penn State to Pitt should eliminate them from national title contenders. Wisconsin lost to both Ohio State and Michigan, plus Penn State, so they are out. 

I say the final four are Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State and Washington.  But I've been wrong on most things...

Ball hopper I'm sure 100% that the committee says 'where a non conference champion and a conference champion are being considered, the non conference champion MUST be unequivocally better than the conference champion. They have constantly said that, since day 1 3 years ago. I'm absolutely 100% sure that is the case.

So, if Ohio State are to get in, the committee must rate them as UNEQUIVOCALLY better than either Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Penn State or Oklahoma. I think they will view them as better than Oklahoma, but to say they are better than Penn State, when Penn State beat them , is a stretch.

I'm not arguing that Penn State are better than Ohio state by the way. I think neutral field OSU probably beats them, but key word is probably. If they view them as unequivocally better, then they better explain how and why, very very clearly.

From the first paragraph of the document quoted... "For purposes of any four team playoff, the process will inevitably need to select the four best teams from among several with legitimate claims to participate."  Note the term "the four best teams". This has been at the heart of all the discussion on the sports talk shows the last month.  This committee have built up an odd reputation for themselves for sure. I still don't know how Michigan held on to the number two slot when they lost to Iowa.   They also appear to be kind to Ohio State as you suggest, at the cost of Penn State.

If the committee charter was based solely on conference winners, why would they even meet before today?  I say Ohio State are in the four and Penn State are out - they wil not drop a team from two to five when they did not even play this weekend.

All the teams that would cause Ohio to drop won conferences this weekend. Conference titles count for a lot more than sitting on your arse this weekend because you lost a big game, at least to me.

Agree on that.  The committee have got it wrong by loving both Ohio State and Michigan. But Penn State lost to Pitt, should that result knock them out of consideration completely?  Seems it does. Pitt also beat Clemson by the way. 

Alabama look to be in a different class.

Agree with all of that, and that's my main issue with this. They have protocols to guide them, but they pick and choose which protocols apply, depending on their own inherent opinions. It's confirmation bias. Baylor have a shit Non Conference Schedule, they are out. Washington have a Shit Non Conference Schedule, but they won their conference, so they are in. TCU didn't win their conference, so they are out. Penn State won their conference, and beat OSU, but they lost two games including to Pitt, so they are out. Clemson lost to Pitt, and came within a gnat's ass of losing to North Carolina State, but they are in because we love Clemson.

There's no pattern, and when they have a protocol, there should be. As I said, no problem with picking the best 4, but something has to help you determine that, and they seem to change their mind on what that 'something' is whenever the wind changes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 06:04:23 PM
Ball Hopper, why do you cherry pick that phrase and ignore the one where they say the place a premium on Conference champions, and head to head record? The only reason that Penn State could not be ranked ahead of Ohio State is if they think Ohio State is far, far better than Penn State, which is odd, considering Penn State beat them, and beat them in a late season game.

I don't have a problem with the concept of picking the 4 best teams, but the criteria is there to help you determine what is 'best'. And in this case they have either ignored it, or else decided it wasn't relevant because the teams aren't in the same stratosphere. Which is odd given the final rankings of #3 and #5.

Also, they absolutely screwed TCU a few years ago because they didn't play a conference championship game, they dropped from 3 to 6 after winning their last Big 12 game by a cricket score.

The hosed the Big 12 the same year, or maybe another year actually, because they declared co-champions. Baylor and someone else. Maybe it was TCU actually. The rationale was that the conference championship was a key determinant.

They slated Baylors Non conference schedule, and yet this year they allow Washington in, whose NCS is probably as bad or worse.

Look, I have no problem with a subjective assessment, but I think it's very stupid when they contradict themselves year on year, or even week on week, and it must be very frustrating if you are involved in a team.  What they should just say is 'We think these teams are the best, and that's that'.

And as for Penn State and Ohio State, I guarantee that if you swapped their helmets, and it was a 7th ranked Ohio State that won the conference title this weekend, and beat the #2 ranked team a few weeks ago, they would absolutely be in.

I'm not disagreeing with you that much...I listen to a lot if the sports talk shows here and the point being made continuously is picking the best teams, not necessarily the conference champs.  I do think it is odd.  They backed themselves into a corner by having both Ohio State and Michigan too high.

I bet if the committee met only once in the season...that being today...the rankings would be very different.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 06:23:41 PM
Yeah I think we are more or less saying the same thing. My problem is that what defines 'best' is communicated as being something different several times a year/over multiple years. Agree on them painting themselves into a corner with Ohio State, and probably Clemson too!

As regards if they only met once a year, well this is the thing. Every week is supposed to be a completely new fresh exercise. That's in the protocols as well, and is also referred to constantly. When TCU dropped, that was mentioned as a prime reason. "We forget last week, and rank completely again". But that's obviously a nonsense too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
Hopefully the GAA don't get wind of this process...imagine the uproar if Roscommon managed to win the Connacht football title, but Mayo get to play the All-Ireland semifinal instead. Ballaghadereen would be demolished. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 06:30:01 PM
That happened this year with Galway, but at least they got a chance to lose instead of being told by Croke Park that Mayo looked better!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 04, 2016, 06:38:47 PM
Which 4 will more people watch?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 04, 2016, 06:48:01 PM
So it is official...Alabama is the No. 1 seed in the College Football Playoff and will meet No. 4 Washington in a semifinal game at the Peach Bowl on Dec. 31.

The other semifinal is No. 2 Clemson against No. 3 Ohio State at the Fiesta Bowl, also Dec. 31.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 04, 2016, 07:28:14 PM
AZ, I think OSU is clearly one of the best four largely because of strength of schedule and the subjective eye test.  Mind you, last year, applying the eye test, I also thought OSU was one of the best four, but they didn't make the cut.  Later, they sent a bus load to the NFL.  Not a satisfactory system, but better than choosing just two teams and really can't imagine them expanding it to eight--greater likelihood of injuries, diluting the importance of bowl games and there'd still be arguments.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 04, 2016, 06:38:47 PM
Which 4 will more people watch?

Bingo Bosco. Although to be fair Penn state would probably be at least as big a 'brand' as Washington.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2016, 08:14:51 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: heganboy on December 04, 2016, 06:38:47 PM
Which 4 will more people watch?

Bingo Bosco. Although to be fair Penn state would probably be at least as big a 'brand' as Washington.

Penn State would be far more well known than Washington. Incredible that the committee came out and tried to say the debate was Washington or Penn when the real discussion was Penn or OSU. New system is now as tainted as the old IMHO.

Auburn got the SEC berth in the Sugar Bowl because the East stunk it up so badly. Gives Malzahn a chance to get real momentum for next year if they can beat the Sooners. Have to think John Franklin III is in contention to start after the QB play in the Georgia and Alabama games. Bowl games are generally shite consolation prizes, even the prestigious ones like the Sugar and Rose Bowls but the prize money is why they exist..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 09:01:37 PM
Franklin is the guy from last chance U? He looks like a high character guy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2016, 09:26:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2016, 09:01:37 PM
Franklin is the guy from last chance U? He looks like a high character guy!

Looks like a guy whose ego has floated off far above his ability thanks to being told how great he was all through high school.

But he reminds me of a less rounded Nick Marshall, which was the QB that really made Malzahn's triple, quadruple, whatever, option offense really click. Talk of them tapping up QBs for next year already but with Franklin about to graduate he can leave and complete his final year of eligibility wherever will have him so it seems like the smart play to kick the tires properly with him in the bowl game before giving up on him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 05, 2016, 08:14:56 AM
Yep. And he may well flourish. I wouldn't like him to be a leader in a tough situation though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 11, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
The Vikings win, so do the Lions and the Packers are looking likely victors against the Seahawks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2016, 02:19:17 PM
Packers are now humming but have they done themselves too much damage already? A good few mediocre teams with a lot of wins on the board in the NFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 12, 2016, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2016, 02:19:17 PM
Packers are now humming but have they done themselves too much damage already? A good few mediocre teams with a lot of wins on the board in the NFC.

They are done I fear.

If they did make the playoffs they could do damage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 12, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Quote from: stew on December 12, 2016, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2016, 02:19:17 PM
Packers are now humming but have they done themselves too much damage already? A good few mediocre teams with a lot of wins on the board in the NFC.

They are done I fear.

If they did make the playoffs they could do damage.

They probably are done but not that much of a stretch that Lions lose to Giants or Cowboys, leaving a winner takes all week 17 match up between Lions and Packers (provided Packers win their next two)

With the way Rodgers is playing they would fancy their chances against anyone in the playoffs as I don't see an outstanding team in either conference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 13, 2016, 01:27:00 PM
Cardinals v Rams at Twickenham next year!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on December 13, 2016, 01:41:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 13, 2016, 01:27:00 PM
Cardinals v Rams at Twickenham next year!!!!!!

9/24/17 or 10/1/17
Baltimore Ravens v Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley Stadium

9/24/17 or 10/1/17
New Orleans Saints v Miami Dolphins, Wembley Stadium

10/22/17 or 10/29/17
Minnesota Vikings v Cleveland Browns, Twickenham Stadium

10/22/17 or 10/29/17
Arizona Cardinals v Los Angeles Rams, Twickenham Stadium


Not sure what the story is re optional dates, but will probably head to the Cardinals v Rams, assuming tickets arent too hard to come by. Although would have much much preferred Wembley
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 13, 2016, 01:55:11 PM
I was at Wembley a few times, and to be honest there's f**k all out there and it's hard to get to. Twickenham is handier, can't wait. GOCARDS
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 13, 2016, 09:21:21 PM
No harm lads, but those are 4 rubbish games potentially...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 13, 2016, 09:32:49 PM
Cardinals Rams should be close.  It normally is. It can't be the Patriots every year!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 14, 2016, 03:01:23 AM
Ah Jeez Az, take DJ of that cardinals roster and they're very average , definitely on the downward slide. And the Rams? Seriously, a complete f**king mess, really no other way to describe them..
Somebody like the Packers v Giants or the Cowboys v Steelers or the Pats v Jets etc...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 14, 2016, 08:15:56 AM
But the game should be close. I'm not saying the Cards are an elite team at the moment but with Fitz, Johnson, Jones, Matthieu, Peterson, Buchanan etc, they still should be better than they are this year, and I'd hope they'll be better next year. The NFL is a week to week/ year to year deal so it's a bit disingenuous to predict next season. God knows I watched enough shite Cardinal football to be able to sit through a game in London though. I can't wait. It's 2000 since I saw them live. If you've lived through Kent Graham 'inspired' teams, this is a golden age for us 😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 14, 2016, 09:13:17 PM
AZ, you're choosing to see the Cards over the Browns?  I'm shocked.  Show up to Twickenham early enough and you may start as QB for the Browns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
How 'bout them Browns Oraisteach  ;D

Probably lost #1 draft pick in the process !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on December 24, 2016, 10:27:32 PM
Humiliation for the Chargers. 5000 miles away and red faced.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2016, 11:58:35 PM
Bad looking injury for Carr  :'(

Edit : broken leg

Pencil the Pats in as the AFC rep for the SuperBowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 25, 2016, 07:44:18 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 24, 2016, 11:58:35 PM
Bad looking injury for Carr  :'(

Edit : broken leg

Pencil the Pats in as the AFC rep for the SuperBowl

I was pencilling in the Pats anyway.  First time all season the Cards show a bit of guts and fight. Too little too late but still good to see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 25, 2016, 03:12:11 PM
ABP - Anyone But the Patriots. Even fecking Dallas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 25, 2016, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 25, 2016, 03:12:11 PM
ABP - Anyone But the Patriots. Even fecking Dallas.

+1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 25, 2016, 06:14:46 PM
Tyler Lockett made one of the ballsiest plays I've seen holding a catch whilst being his leg broken. Seahawks let him down and couldn't get in from the 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on December 25, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 25, 2016, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 25, 2016, 03:12:11 PM
ABP - Anyone But the Patriots. Even fecking Dallas.

+1
patriots will be in the Super Bowl so it will have to be an nfc team to beat them don't see any afc team touching them , the Cowboys might be a year early for them the Giants have a great record against them but it will be hard for them to get there,  the packers or Seattle could definitely beat them if they got to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 25, 2016, 06:55:58 PM
Quote from: Gmac on December 25, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 25, 2016, 03:48:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 25, 2016, 03:12:11 PM
ABP - Anyone But the Patriots. Even fecking Dallas.

+1
patriots will be in the Super Bowl so it will have to be an nfc team to beat them don't see any afc team touching them , the Cowboys might be a year early for them the Giants have a great record against them but it will be hard for them to get there,  the packers or Seattle could definitely beat them if they got to the Super Bowl.

Think the Steelers would have a punchers chance against them with their O
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Far East on December 26, 2016, 01:14:52 AM
On their current trajectory, the Packers have all the tools to beat the Patriots.  Rodgers has been phenomenal of late and while their D will give up yards, they're becoming increasingly opportunistic and will turn over enough ball to give Monsignor Brady plenty to think about.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 26, 2016, 01:51:30 AM
BAL-PIT had some 4th quarter. Brown and Bell are unstoppable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on December 26, 2016, 05:46:19 AM
Devastating for the Raiders. First winning season since 2002 and Carr breaks his leg the first time he gets hit in the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 26, 2016, 08:55:18 AM
Beware the pack if they get in, AR is easily the best in the league when on form and he is a solutely flying now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 26, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: stew on December 26, 2016, 08:55:18 AM
Beware the pack if they get in, AR is easily the best in the league when on form and he is a solutely flying now.
Easily Stew? I'd say Brady might disagree.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on December 26, 2016, 11:24:23 AM
Dolphins in the playoffs  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 26, 2016, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on December 26, 2016, 05:46:19 AM
Devastating for the Raiders. First winning season since 2002 and Carr breaks his leg the first time he gets hit in the game.

Out for 6-8 weeks.

McGloin to step up???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on December 27, 2016, 06:30:39 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 26, 2016, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on December 26, 2016, 05:46:19 AM
Devastating for the Raiders. First winning season since 2002 and Carr breaks his leg the first time he gets hit in the game.

Out for 6-8 weeks.

McGloin to step up???

Gonna be tough. McGloin is a career back up. He's Confident (he made 2 clutch throws when he came in v Colts) but Carr is streets ahead with better accuracy and a stronger arm plus the 'x' factor.

Have to rely on run and D from here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 27, 2016, 10:50:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 26, 2016, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: stew on December 26, 2016, 08:55:18 AM
Beware the pack if they get in, AR is easily the best in the league when on form and he is a solutely flying now.
Easily Stew? I'd say Brady might disagree.

I love both teams and lived in both areas but right now I would take AR even over Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maigheo on December 28, 2016, 12:30:10 AM
Jasus Stew I think you are the only person in the USA who would do that.T.B every day of the week and twice on sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 28, 2016, 01:18:39 AM
Quote from: maigheo on December 28, 2016, 12:30:10 AM
Jasus Stew I think you are the only person in the USA who would do that.T.B every day of the week and twice on sunday

Age might be a concern for some!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 28, 2016, 01:46:09 AM
Rodgers is a more complete player. Sneaky athletic and his rushing stats support that. Brady while great has a weaker arm than Rodgers too. I think physically Rodgers is in another class but Brady makes up for most of it with his preparation and mind. Rodgers' career stat line is mind blowing, Madden numbers.

Peak Rodgers > Peak Brady.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 28, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 28, 2016, 01:46:09 AM
Rodgers is a more complete player. Sneaky athletic and his rushing stats support that. Brady while great has a weaker arm than Rodgers too. I think physically Rodgers is in another class but Brady makes up for most of it with his preparation and mind. Rodgers' career stat line is mind blowing, Madden numbers.

Peak Rodgers > Peak Brady.

Rodgers would have five or six w/o s if he was with the Pats and had Belichek as his coach, MCCarthy is useless as a play caller and a lot of packet fans wanted him gone years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 28, 2016, 10:20:13 PM
Yis are probably bored of me on this subject

But........

Rodgers has 36 TD 7 INT with *no* running game, Rodgers was in the running to be the top rusher ffs before Montgomerys big game v the Bears

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 01, 2017, 10:49:21 AM
Clemson crushed Ohio State last night while Bama spotted Washington a TD and then preceded to smother them. Probably the best defense college football has ever seen.

Clemson has improved to become the team their preseason hype said they were but their season nearly began with a loss to Auburn and it's probably going to end with a loss to Alabama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 01, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 22, 2016, 12:12:39 AM
Saw a remarkable stat before last night's game that Rodgers had the worst completion percentage of any QB in the NFL (minimum 10 attempts) over the previous 16 regular season games.  Quite a long run of poor form from an exceptional player

It's bizarre that pretty much since this stat Rodgers has played lights out football. As great as he is though I'd still take Brady in his prime (just).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 07:13:14 PM
Hard to listen to some of the dung being spouted on here...
Rodgers has won THREE f**king playoff games from the super bowl season in 2010... 3!
Of course he's playing well now, no disputing that, but to even put him in the same sentence as Brady is absurd..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 07:19:53 PM
Brady is 22-9 in the playoffs
Rodgers is 8-6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 02, 2017, 07:26:02 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 07:19:53 PM
Brady is 22-9 in the playoffs
Rodgers is 8-6

Since when was W & L a QB stat? Does he also play Defense and special teams ?

27 Tds & 8 ints - QB rating 98.2. Yeah he goes to pieces in the playoffs  ::)

I would also be holding him responsible for the three games this year when Packers opponents scored over 40pts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
He's a great QB... nobody would dispute that. But he's not close to Brady, not even close...-
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 02, 2017, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
He's a great QB... nobody would dispute that. But he's not close to Brady, not even close...-

I think when he is Brady's age he will be right in the conversation, without the luxury of having Bellichick as HC. Time will tell, both great players no doubt.

I read this a few weeks ago


http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2682596-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-packers-may-be-as-good-as-we-thought-they-were?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

If you just base it on rings then Brady is well ahead of everyone but Montana, better judges than any of us think Marino was the best ever for example.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 08:00:18 PM
Maybe on a pure natural throwing level, Marino was the best. But that's only part of it..
Jimmy White was the most naturally talented snooker player to ever live ( imo), but he wasn't the best..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 03, 2017, 09:34:42 AM
Not Rodgers biggest fan but he's definitely near Brady's level, if not better. Think if Rodgers can play as long as Brady his stats will be monstrous. That said Drew Brees' will be gargantuan too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2017, 09:57:41 AM
Well wildcard this weekend - how do we think it will go ?

Raiders @ Texans - Raiders

Lions @ Seahawks - Seahawks

Dolphins @ Steelers - Steelers

Giants @ Packers - Packers, maybe

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 03, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
I think Brady is just so clever. He rarely throws a bad interception, or gets confused by defenses. Rogers is very good, very, very good, but he's a bit in the gunslinger mode, and that makes him a bit more prone to error. I mean even those who are saying Rogers is playing unreal right now, they are right, but Brady just finished with a 28-2 TD to INT ratio. That's absurd. And without marquee wide receivers and Gronk for long stretches. I hope Floyd does well there, and if he does he may well turn into a major addition for the Pats.

As for this weekend, I'll go with the Texans at home against 2nd or 3rd string Raiders QB.
Seahawks and their stupid 12th man at home to the Lions.
Steelers at home (assuming cold weather) against the Dolphins
Packers Giants might be close. Manning is not great, but he knows how to win playoff games. The Packers will be hard pressed if the Giants D can pressure Rogers, that might be the upset, but I'd be betting on the Pack.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 03, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2017, 07:44:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 02, 2017, 07:34:30 PM
He's a great QB... nobody would dispute that. But he's not close to Brady, not even close...-

I think when he is Brady's age he will be right in the conversation, without the luxury of having Bellichick as HC. Time will tell, both great players no doubt.

I read this a few weeks ago


http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2682596-mike-freemans-10-point-stance-packers-may-be-as-good-as-we-thought-they-were?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

If you just base it on rings then Brady is well ahead of everyone but Montana, better judges than any of us think Marino was the best ever for example.

Eh Bradshaw has four of those rings as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 03, 2017, 10:36:02 AM
He does indeed. It's not about rings. Rings just say you were part of a team good enough to win a Superbowl, and you were good enough to contribute. It doesn't say how much you contributed, or if the team would have won with another QB. Eli Manning is I think a great exponent of that. Trent Dilfer!

However there is something about playing in the playoffs that tests a Quarterbacks mentality, and in a team that places emphasis on the thrown ball, you are being hit with great/v good defenses in each game. So a QB that leads a team to victory in the playoffs cannot make daft mistakes, has to read defenses well, and has to make the big throws at the big times. That's why for me Montana and Brady are ahead of everyone else, and it's why Manning (P) is just short of that in my view.

Eli is also a very good playoff QB, but his numbers in the regular season stop him being a top QB all time. I'd still take Eli in a playoff game over Brett Favre for example.

For me, Joe Montana's John Candy comment before the game winning drive versus the Bengals (I think it was) exemplifies what a Superbowl Leading QB, as opposed to a QB on a Superbowl Team, means.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 03, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 03, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
I think Brady is just so clever. He rarely throws a bad interception, or gets confused by defenses. Rogers is very good, very, very good, but he's a bit in the gunslinger mode, and that makes him a bit more prone to error. I mean even those who are saying Rogers is playing unreal right now, they are right, but Brady just finished with a 28-2 TD to INT ratio. That's absurd. And without marquee wide receivers and Gronk for long stretches. I hope Floyd does well there, and if he does he may well turn into a major addition for the Pats.

As for this weekend, I'll go with the Texans at home against 2nd or 3rd string Raiders QB.
Seahawks and their stupid 12th man at home to the Lions.
Steelers at home (assuming cold weather) against the Dolphins
Packers Giants might be close. Manning is not great, but he knows how to win playoff games. The Packers will be hard pressed if the Giants D can pressure Rogers, that might be the upset, but I'd be betting on the Pack.

I see what you're saying but Rodgers career record for INT's is very low. The Patriots are so methodical and well coached that it does benefit Brady but I've never seen any QB as cool in the pocket as Brady. It's astounding at times. The league rules have made their job a hell of a lot easier it must be remembered though.

I don't see the Giants causing the upset this weekend. Eli's just not playing well and he'll need to have a very good game to win this one. He's capable but it would be a serious turnaround in form if he does.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 03, 2017, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 03, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 03, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
I think Brady is just so clever. He rarely throws a bad interception, or gets confused by defenses. Rogers is very good, very, very good, but he's a bit in the gunslinger mode, and that makes him a bit more prone to error. I mean even those who are saying Rogers is playing unreal right now, they are right, but Brady just finished with a 28-2 TD to INT ratio. That's absurd. And without marquee wide receivers and Gronk for long stretches. I hope Floyd does well there, and if he does he may well turn into a major addition for the Pats.

As for this weekend, I'll go with the Texans at home against 2nd or 3rd string Raiders QB.
Seahawks and their stupid 12th man at home to the Lions.
Steelers at home (assuming cold weather) against the Dolphins
Packers Giants might be close. Manning is not great, but he knows how to win playoff games. The Packers will be hard pressed if the Giants D can pressure Rogers, that might be the upset, but I'd be betting on the Pack.

I see what you're saying but Rodgers career record for INT's is very low. The Patriots are so methodical and well coached that it does benefit Brady but I've never seen any QB as cool in the pocket as Brady. It's astounding at times. The league rules have made their job a hell of a lot easier it must be remembered though.

I don't see the Giants causing the upset this weekend. Eli's just not playing well and he'll need to have a very good game to win this one. He's capable but it would be a serious turnaround in form if he does.

Rodgers has the best TD/INT ratio in NFL history
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 03, 2017, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 03, 2017, 05:02:15 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 03, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 03, 2017, 10:27:31 AM
I think Brady is just so clever. He rarely throws a bad interception, or gets confused by defenses. Rogers is very good, very, very good, but he's a bit in the gunslinger mode, and that makes him a bit more prone to error. I mean even those who are saying Rogers is playing unreal right now, they are right, but Brady just finished with a 28-2 TD to INT ratio. That's absurd. And without marquee wide receivers and Gronk for long stretches. I hope Floyd does well there, and if he does he may well turn into a major addition for the Pats.

As for this weekend, I'll go with the Texans at home against 2nd or 3rd string Raiders QB.
Seahawks and their stupid 12th man at home to the Lions.
Steelers at home (assuming cold weather) against the Dolphins
Packers Giants might be close. Manning is not great, but he knows how to win playoff games. The Packers will be hard pressed if the Giants D can pressure Rogers, that might be the upset, but I'd be betting on the Pack.

I see what you're saying but Rodgers career record for INT's is very low. The Patriots are so methodical and well coached that it does benefit Brady but I've never seen any QB as cool in the pocket as Brady. It's astounding at times. The league rules have made their job a hell of a lot easier it must be remembered though.

I don't see the Giants causing the upset this weekend. Eli's just not playing well and he'll need to have a very good game to win this one. He's capable but it would be a serious turnaround in form if he does.

Rodgers has the best TD/INT ratio in NFL history

And he has done it despite atrocious play calling at times, not to mention defences that could not stop a nosebleed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 08, 2017, 11:21:56 AM
Some brilliant catches from Paul Richardson for the Seahawks last night.

Connor Cook was predictably...awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: vertigonights on January 08, 2017, 11:41:15 AM
That was just awful from Cook last night, such a pity Carr got injured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on January 08, 2017, 01:15:59 PM
To be fair to cook he didn't get a pile of help from his receivers!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2017, 02:18:07 PM
Quote from: stringbean on January 08, 2017, 01:15:59 PM
To be fair to cook he didn't get a pile of help from his receivers!!!

Yeah he was bad but he got no help
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 08, 2017, 10:00:52 PM
Eli has started really well here. Interesting how much better his playoff record is than Rodgers. 8-3 v 7-6. Drops costing them though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2017, 11:16:50 PM
Some turnaround by the Packers, Giants should have been out of sight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 08, 2017, 11:39:11 PM
If Eli had the same protection that Aaron's getting, the score would be a lot different I think...
If Nelson is out , Atlanta will be too much
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 08, 2017, 11:39:11 PM
If Eli had the same protection that Aaron's getting, the score would be a lot different I think...
If Nelson is out , Atlanta will be too much

Early drops could kill the Giants, winner here plays Dallas, not Atlanta

Rodgers has been sacked 5 times, Manning once
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 09, 2017, 12:30:48 AM
Regardless of the sack count, I think it would be fair to say Rodgers protection has been better than Mannings?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 09, 2017, 01:06:13 AM
Rough day for the Giants
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on January 09, 2017, 01:35:50 AM
Packers took their chances, Giants didn't.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Far East on January 09, 2017, 02:01:32 AM
The Packers are going to miss Jordy Nelson but Rodgers didn't get going until he got hurt.  A healthy Randal Cobb is a great weapon for Green Bay
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
Rodgers is something else. He was magic last night against a supposedly good defence. Last night I got what Stew has been saying about play calling by McCarthy......some idiotic crap.

OBJ will need to learn from last night. He really let himself and his team down. Circus catches in the regular season mean jack sh1t if you can't haul them in when it's really needed. Pictures of him warming up shirtless in -13 degrees - stupid shite. Concentrate on the game, not making a spectacle of yourself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 09:24:46 AM
And afterwards he apparently head butted a wall and punched a hole in a door. Me me me me.

Yeah Rodgers was good last night. Threw some lovely balls, but in fairness he was protected so well in those plays it was unreal. The game swung, I thought, on the Hail Mary at the end of the first half. As a Giants Defense, how do you allow one of the smaller wide receivers catch a hail mary in the end zone - IN HIS BELLY!!! Mental stuff. Up to then, I thought the Giants were on top, and Rodgers was rattled. I still think you can get at Rodgers. The Cardinals game at the end of the regular season a couple of years ago sticks in my mind. He was jumping at shadows that day because he had been hit a lot. So he can make all the throws, but I still think he can get the heebie jeebies.

It's shaping up to be a good run in, because while these 4 were relatively easy to call, next weekend will be harder.

Seattle going to Atlanta is intriguing, as is Green Bay travelling to Dallas. In the AFC you'd imagine the Patriots will have a good bit too much for the Texans, but the Chiefs entertaining the Steelers will be a good one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2017, 09:39:33 AM
I agree with you about Rodgers but when he is confident and not browning his togs he's outrageously good. I don't think his protection was that great even in the second half but he was seeing it all and avoiding defenders brilliantly. They have a chance against Dallas but they'll need to disrupt the run game somehow and to some degree. Otherwise there's no room for error.

Bar the Patriots cakewalk next weekends game look good. With a gun to my head I'd have to lean towards the home sides but not by much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 09, 2017, 11:11:06 AM
Rodgers is one of the best ever and the pack will beat the cowboys next weekend if McCarthy does not f**k it up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 02:14:21 PM
How did the Giants allow a receiver like this catch that ball?

(http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0108%2Fr169443_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=570)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2017, 02:54:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 02:14:21 PM
How did the Giants allow a receiver like this catch that ball?

(http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0108%2Fr169443_1296x729_16%2D9.jpg&w=570)

I episode say it's on Eli Apple #24, he seemed to be tracking Cobb but at the last second got attracted to the ball (with the help of a push by Cobb) Read a few places that the arc of the ball on Rodgers Hail Marys is difficult for the defenders to track, as he throws it so high.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 02:55:52 PM
Yeah, Apple was the closest alright, but jaysus a small receiver caught it in his belly, without it being a ricochet. That's inexcusable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2017, 03:01:53 PM
There was a push that Cobb got away with and Rodgers threw it so high the ball was coming down like a punt but terrible defensive play. Maybe they lost the ball in the lights?

It's happening too frequently for it to be a complete accident though. I think the height of the throws is a factor.....DB's just not used to defending that trajectory of throw????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 03:13:22 PM
Too frequently? How many Hail Marys into the end zone has he connected with? 

There is no excuse in a situation like that that the ball gets all the way through to the smallest man. You need someone to go up and break the ball away at least. If there was a big ruck and it rebounded into his hands I'd say something. Or even if it was a Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson type of big physical receiver.

Yeah, Rodgers seems to really have a strong arm to air it out, but I still don't think it's an excuse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2017, 03:21:13 PM
It's 3 in the last couple of seasons. Not huge numbers but I don't think anyone else has two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 03:21:41 PM
No, true enough. I wonder what his success rate is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2017, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 09, 2017, 03:23:40 PM
Next up is the college championship game tonight. 

Some analysis here... http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2017/1/8/14178606/if-alabama-should-fear-anyone-its-clemson

Hoping to stay up for it. It should be a good one, but I'm wary of tipping any offense to score a lot on Alabama. And if the Tide can slow Clemson down, can Clemson survive a dogfight? Last year obviously was a bit of a shootout but I'd be surprised if that happens again. For Clemson to win it may have to.

Feck it. I'll go for Clemson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 09, 2017, 09:35:59 PM
The thing with Rodgers in the pocket is especially during his relatively poor play last year and the start of this year was he was holding the ball too long waiting for receivers to get open, and more often than not they didn't gain any separation, so Rodgers will take the sack.

Adams in particular is getting balls thrown to him that he wasn't last year, as Rodgers didn't trust him (rightly so). Last nights TD being a good example as the coverage on Adams was excellent, but Rodgers trusted himself and Adams to make the catch.

His pocket play is something to behold at the minute, if he gets the time he will find the receiver & Dallas pass rush isn't great so he should get time on Sunday. Could be a cracker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2017, 10:47:51 PM
Looking forward to the national title game  this evening. That Alabama defense is incredible and even though they won conceding 40 to Clemson last year still rankles them as if they lost. People talk about Clemson getting revenge but that defense will be out for their own. Saban made a big call dropping Kiffin like a hot potato a week before the championship game but it was probably the correct choice, Saban rarely gets calls like this wrong. Alabama as usual don't need anything incredible out of their offense to win this one. The defense is fully capable of outscoring its offense.

Unless Clemson can make this another shoot-out I don't see this ending any other way than with the Tide's fifth title in eight years and a place in history as the greatest college dynasty of all-time. And for the SEC to win the big one even in a down year will make the haters cry some especially salty tears tonight.. the stakes couldn't be any bigger.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2017, 01:34:42 AM
Not the start Clemson needed..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 10, 2017, 05:05:22 AM
The pack will get it tight against south americas team but if Rodgers can hit the form of the past seven weeks they will be there or thereabouts.

I would love a Pats Packers Superbowl, it would be the best two qbs going at it in peak form. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2017, 05:11:16 AM
Roll motherfúckin Tide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 10, 2017, 05:17:04 AM
This is some game!!!

I took Clemson -6.5 and the over (51) on a parlay ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 10, 2017, 05:17:46 AM
You mean +6.5, right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2017, 05:20:35 AM
Well played Clemson. Great game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 10, 2017, 05:21:21 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 10, 2017, 05:17:46 AM
You mean +6.5, right?

Tired, plus 6.5
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 10, 2017, 05:22:29 AM
Redemption

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 10, 2017, 05:24:45 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on January 10, 2017, 05:21:21 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 10, 2017, 05:17:46 AM
You mean +6.5, right?

Tired, plus 6.5

congrats on the win! I lost bigly. :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 10, 2017, 05:50:41 AM
Those 2 can put on a game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 10, 2017, 05:53:28 AM
'Bama ran out of steam in the 4th. Not the same depth that they have had on defense as previous years and Clemson grinder them down.
Great game, worthy Champs. Watson is a good QB, a lot of players from both teams going to the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 10, 2017, 07:29:38 AM
Pack giants was a strange one.  Nothing in it for the Packers until nearly half time then a great throw by Rogers for the first TD  after some unbelievable protection.  Given the time left it was really slack by the giants then to even let Green Bay have a chance of a hail mary never mind catch it about 2 feet of the floor in the end zone!

Highlight of the the match for me was Clay Matthews strip sack and recovery after a 20 yard chase.  Everyone else looking at the ball thinking it was dead and Matthews just nailed the Giant ambling over to pick it up. Brilliant.

I think the Nelson injury will be too much to overcome in dallas though.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 10, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
Sickener for Alabama last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 10, 2017, 11:22:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 10, 2017, 10:15:27 AM
Sickener for Alabama last night.

Good enough for them, they effed about Bo Jackson and he went on to have a great career against them, hard to believe he is in neither football nor baseball hall of fame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 10, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
Hail Mary was luck in the respect that , had Cook held onto the pass on the play before it ( which he should), the clock would have ran out and it would have been HT....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
Wow stew. That's harsh :) Holding something that long ago against them :)

I'm glad because Alabama and the SEC have won enough. Clemson are a good team, and I'm happy they won it. Imagine if NC State had kicked that field goal though?

Oh yeah, Clemson lost to Pitt as well, just like Penn State did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2017, 05:39:04 PM
San Diego Chargers RIP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 12, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
Fair play to the city of San Diego tax payers and shame on the Spanos family.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 12, 2017, 06:58:41 PM
Three potentially close games this weekend and one probable blow out.

I'm going with:
Texans vs Patriots
Steelers vs Chiefs
Seahawks vs falcons
Packers vs Cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
Just another example of NFL greed, owners don't give a shit if fans come to the stadium, they still get their money.

LA Rams have appointed 30 year old Sean McVay as head coach
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 12, 2017, 09:36:52 PM
Raiders keep KNJ...sheesh  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 12, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
Just another example of NFL greed, owners don't give a shit if fans come to the stadium, they still get their money.

LA Rams have appointed 30 year old Sean McVay as head coach

That's business!

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
Just another example of NFL greed, owners don't give a shit if fans come to the stadium, they still get their money.

LA Rams have appointed 30 year old Sean McVay as head coach

That's business!

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217

The things about NFL owners is they basically blackmail a city into paying for a new stadium, even though they are billion dollar franchises and can easily afford it. Raiders probably next to Las Vegas and who knows after that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on January 13, 2017, 12:55:02 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 12, 2017, 06:58:41 PM
Three potentially close games this weekend and one probable blow out.

I'm going with:
Texans vs Patriots
Steelers vs Chiefs
Seahawks vs falcons
Packers vs Cowboys

The great Steve Young is calling for a surprise Super Bowl pairing of Pittsburgh and Atlanta. 

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2017, 03:27:13 AM
Wouldn't rule out either Atlanta or Pittsburgh either, tbh , Houston for me is the only team that has zero chance. Any of the rest , playing their best could win it all.
Matt Ryan needs to step up on Saturday. If he wants to join the list of elite QBs he's going to have to deliver when it counts, won't be easy against Seattle.
I'm going for Seattle, NE , Dallas and Pittsburgh...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 13, 2017, 07:46:34 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 13, 2017, 12:55:02 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 12, 2017, 06:58:41 PM
Three potentially close games this weekend and one probable blow out.

I'm going with:
Texans vs Patriots
Steelers vs Chiefs
Seahawks vs falcons
Packers vs Cowboys

The great Steve Young is calling for a surprise Super Bowl pairing of Pittsburgh and Atlanta.

Pittsburgh and Atlanta are probably the two most explosive offences left, so i'm not surprised that Steve Young is picking them. Texans and seahawks probably have the two best defences but their offences will see them unstuck sooner or later.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2017, 09:01:38 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 13, 2017, 03:27:13 AM
Wouldn't rule out either Atlanta or Pittsburgh either, tbh , Houston for me is the only team that has zero chance. Any of the rest , playing their best could win it all.
Matt Ryan needs to step up on Saturday. If he wants to join the list of elite QBs he's going to have to deliver when it counts, won't be easy against Seattle.
I'm going for Seattle, NE , Dallas and Pittsburgh...

Yeah you can make a strong case for any team to win other than Houston
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
I don't think you can make the case for Seattle or KC to win it all. Seattle have been hurt too much by the Thomas injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
I don't think you can make the case for Seattle or KC to win it all. Seattle have been hurt too much by the Thomas injury.

Yeah I mean just this weekend, think Nelson loss will be too much for Green Bay too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 13, 2017, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 13, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
I don't think you can make the case for Seattle or KC to win it all. Seattle have been hurt too much by the Thomas injury.

Yeah I mean just this weekend, think Nelson loss will be too much for Green Bay too.

If Cobb is fully firing as he appeared to be last week I think they might be ok. There are a couple of other decent receivers to take some of the pressure off Adams and Cobb and the form Rodgers is in always gives them a chance. GB started the season stout against the run and they'll need to somewhat curtail Dallas' run game or they'll be toast. I just think the Cowboys have an inherent ability to mess up and may well do so at the weekend. Gut feeling the Packers do it.

Agree with the sentiments expressed on the other games. Texans aside, any of the others could advance. I personally think Seattle are too damaged on defence to do it. They'd probably win if it was in Seattle but I'm thinking not in Atlanta. The Falcons have to come through this time after flattering to deceive a couple of seasons ago. They'll give up points so need to keep scoring at the rate they have done most of the season.

Again - if the Steelers were at home I'd take them over the Chiefs but in Arrowhead I'm not so sure. The Chiefs defence has been inconsistent a lot of the year but I think they've got better recently (less guys out injured perhaps) and they're definitely good at home so Steelers will have their work cut out. Chiefs offence is underrated. Tyreek Hill gives them that extra threat that opens things up for Alex Smith to play his natural short/intermediate passing game with a few runs thrown in. Steelers are good though, especially on offence. Is Ben fit though? Mmm. Think I'm just going to call the Chiefs in this one.

Patriots by 20 in the other one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 13, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
Just another example of NFL greed, owners don't give a shit if fans come to the stadium, they still get their money.

LA Rams have appointed 30 year old Sean McVay as head coach

That's business!

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217

The things about NFL owners is they basically blackmail a city into paying for a new stadium, even though they are billion dollar franchises and can easily afford it. Raiders probably next to Las Vegas and who knows after that

The NFL is a disgusting entity from top to bottom, the owners are money whores to hold cities to ransom and get to feck off to wherever they want when they want to, there are a lot of people starting to tune it off, baseball is seeing a resurgence and to me is a far superior game, I have been at Lambeau loads of times, similarly  have been at Miller Park, home of the Brew crew, not one football experience came close to a day out at the ballpark.

The Packers are owned by the city of Green Bay, they used to play at East High School were my girls went to, the organization is very close to the community and vice versa, that gentlemen is rarefied air indeed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2017, 06:43:58 PM
Baseball is total dross.

College ball better than the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 14, 2017, 08:24:01 AM
Quote from: stew on January 13, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 12, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2017, 09:11:00 PM
Just another example of NFL greed, owners don't give a shit if fans come to the stadium, they still get their money.

LA Rams have appointed 30 year old Sean McVay as head coach

That's business!

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-diego-chargers-los-angeles-move-relocation-011217

The things about NFL owners is they basically blackmail a city into paying for a new stadium, even though they are billion dollar franchises and can easily afford it. Raiders probably next to Las Vegas and who knows after that

The NFL is a disgusting entity from top to bottom, the owners are money whores to hold cities to ransom and get to feck off to wherever they want when they want to, there are a lot of people starting to tune it off, baseball is seeing a resurgence and to me is a far superior game, I have been at Lambeau loads of times, similarly  have been at Miller Park, home of the Brew crew, not one football experience came close to a day out at the ballpark.

The Packers are owned by the city of Green Bay, they used to play at East High School were my girls went to, the organization is very close to the community and vice versa, that gentlemen is rarefied air indeed.

Different strokes I guess but I've also been to both and found baseball dull as.....whereas the football days out from tailgating onwards were great fun
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 14, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
Steelers Chiefs game moved from 1:05 ET to 8:20 ET due to massive ice storm moving into KC.

Best Bets
Green Bay    +5.5
GB/DAL over   52
ATL               -6.5

Chiefs/Steelers coin toss
Pats/Texans too much on the spread
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 09:12:49 AM
Ffs! Sunday evening ruined!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 14, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
I don't think you can make the case for Seattle or KC to win it all. Seattle have been hurt too much by the Thomas injury.
we will see think both games could go either way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 14, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on January 14, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
Steelers Chiefs game moved from 1:05 ET to 8:20 ET due to massive ice storm moving into KC.

Best Bets
Green Bay    +5.5
GB/DAL over   52
ATL               -6.5

Chiefs/Steelers coin toss
Pats/Texans too much on the spread

Could have got Atlanta at -5 this morning but the awilliam
hill app wouldn't open. Got them at -6 though.

May take a nibble on the Pats, chances will increase with every beer. Will probably take the Chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 14, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on January 14, 2017, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on January 14, 2017, 08:43:33 AM
Steelers Chiefs game moved from 1:05 ET to 8:20 ET due to massive ice storm moving into KC.

Best Bets
Green Bay    +5.5
GB/DAL over   52
ATL               -6.5

Chiefs/Steelers coin toss
Pats/Texans too much on the spread

Could have got Atlanta at -5 this morning but the awilliam
hill app wouldn't open. Got them at -6 though.

May take a nibble on the Pats, chances will increase with every beer. Will probably take the Chiefs.


My guy put in the wrong team on Dal/GB on Tue
so him and I are splitting

Atl -4.5
Dal -4.5
GB/ATL over 52.5

And since Tevin Coleman is buddies with my nephew, I have watched him play since he was 10, took a flyer on him for a TD  50 nets 70.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 10:29:57 PM
Devin Hester showing he's still got some juice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Seattle can't stop the falcons in the air or on the ground.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Seattle can't stop the falcons in the air or on the ground.

So many weapons, they will be hard to stop on this evidence
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2017, 12:19:37 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2017, 11:22:16 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Seattle can't stop the falcons in the air or on the ground.

So many weapons, they will be hard to stop on this evidence

Very impressive!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2017, 12:40:26 AM
That'll probably get overturned but Paul Richardson has had some unbelievable catches these playoffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 15, 2017, 01:02:14 AM
Super performance by Atlanta. keeping their pass rush going will be key for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2017, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 13, 2017, 06:43:58 PM
Baseball is total dross.

College ball better than the NFL.


Bollicks on both fronts, Baseball is far superior to football, as for college ball being better than the NFL, the NFL take one percent or so of college players and the scores are ridiculous in college.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Seattle can't stop the falcons in the air or on the ground.

Great innit! I hate that bastard coach of theirs )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
This page scares me ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
Quote from: stew on January 15, 2017, 08:48:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
Seattle can't stop the falcons in the air or on the ground.

Great innit! I hate that b**tard coach of theirs )

+1

Looking forward to this game. Should be a corker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2017, 10:45:12 PM
Rogers giving a clinic so far. Dallas need to start getting contain pressure.  When he has time or can escape the pocket he's lethal. Get pressure in his face and seal the edges. Easier said than done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2017, 12:31:53 AM
This is a classic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 16, 2017, 01:01:08 AM
One for the ages - fantastic
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 16, 2017, 01:05:38 AM
Wow. What a catch on the edge.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2017, 01:06:50 AM
Some finish. What a throw by Rogers running to his left, and what a catch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 16, 2017, 01:10:54 AM
Enjoyed that!

Pity I won't see the next game but that's probably enough excitement to do me for a Sunday night!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 16, 2017, 02:43:26 AM
The worst mistake California ever made. Letting Rodgers go to the Tundra. Thank you York family. Nice to see Dallas suffer and great that Stew has at least one successful team to root for. I would be worried though about that Green Bay secondary. Hope they get healthy for the Championship game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 16, 2017, 04:21:49 AM
Sickening line-up for the semis - Packers, Steelers, Patriots. Only the Falcons bring a bit of mystery and intrigue with them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Owenmoresider on January 16, 2017, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 16, 2017, 04:21:49 AM
Sickening line-up for the semis - Packers, Steelers, Patriots. Only the Falcons bring a bit of mystery and intrigue with them.
It does have that Corofin/Castlebar/Brigid's feel to it alright.

The finish to that game was worth staying up for alright, hopefullly the Packers can keep it going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2017, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 16, 2017, 04:21:49 AM
Sickening line-up for the semis - Packers, Steelers, Patriots. Only the Falcons bring a bit of mystery and intrigue with them.


I disagree. I think it's good to see the established, well run organisations, at the top. The Falcons bring a bit of that newness as well. I prefer the Packers and Steelers to the Panthers anyway!! The Patriots you just have to admire. How can you be anti the Patriots, and yet admire Alabama? They're nearly the same thing at College level.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 16, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
Brilliant game last night. And I just can't wait for Packers @ Falcons.....should be brilliant. Steelers could trouble New England too. Would love to see the Falcons do it. I just get the feeling though that it could be the Packers. Rodgers is simply playing lights out. Their defence is iffy but they always seem to make a play out of nothing to stop a drive....they have a few playmakers who can deliver a big play here and there....might just do enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2017, 09:52:12 AM
Steelers have the weapons to win in Foxborough but they won't do it kicking FGs. Packers-Falcons should be outstanding. Dunno how you stop the myriad of weapons that Atlanta have and similarly don't know how anyone stops Rodgers at the minute with the way his line is holding up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2017, 10:25:42 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 16, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
Brilliant game last night. And I just can't wait for Packers @ Falcons.....should be brilliant. Steelers could trouble New England too. Would love to see the Falcons do it. I just get the feeling though that it could be the Packers. Rodgers is simply playing lights out. Their defence is iffy but they always seem to make a play out of nothing to stop a drive....they have a few playmakers who can deliver a big play here and there....might just do enough.

Rogers was very good, but I thought the Cowboys D played into his hands last night. I love line play, very geeky I know, but it was very noticeable yesterday that when Dallas rushed 4, and the Defensive End positions went down and in, they left the edges open for Rogers to scramble and do what he does very well. If I'm playing Rogers I want to pressure him in such a way that the pocket is preserved, and make him step up in the pocket, where you want maybe a linebacker or safety coming in to pressure him. He's very good against the blitz because he gets the ball out very quickly, but if you can get pressure with 4 or 5, and play man on the receivers, then he does get rattled and doesn't like it as much.  Every time Dallas did this

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/Inside%20Rush.png)

Rodgers just scrambled left or right, and found a receiver. The Green Bay receivers are so used to that they just keep trying to get open no matter what, and he normally finds them.

But when Dallas did this..

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/AZOffaly/Contain%20Rush.png)

It forced Rogers to either get rid of it quickly (and that's where you need the man to man coverage to stand up) or else they forced an incompletion.

They blitzed a bit more too, with safeties and linebackers, but the key is pressure up the middle, while containing the edges. They didn't contain the edges enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 16, 2017, 04:18:40 PM
That catch by Cook was something else, to catch the ball, get the feet down and not let his knees hit the ground before he dragged his toes. You won't see too many with that difficulty level. I thought at the start of the year he could be a huge asset as they haven't had an athletic TE that can create mismatches since Jermichael Finley. Injuries slowed him earlier in the year but he is really starting to produce.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 16, 2017, 04:21:01 PM
Yes. Fantastic catch. Jordy Nelson may be back as well next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 17, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Good work Antonio Brown... Mike Tomlin I'm sure had a little chat today 😬...
Brady is 6-1 against Big Ben . I'd imagine Le' veon Bell will get his yards, I can't imagine Belichick letting Brown beat him, it will have to be somewhere else. I think , they'll give up the run, try and keep them to FGs. The Steelers D doesn't match up well with the Pats. Hogan has been a massive plus , he's definitely not Randy Moss, but he does give Brady a legitimate deep threat.
It will take probably close to 40 to win the other game, both QBs are playing at the peak of their powers, you would have to say though that , the Falcons backfield is WAY stronger than the packs, scored twice last night, Montgomery isn't a RB...
I just can't see how the Packers can stop that offense...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 17, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Good work Antonio Brown... Mike Tomlin I'm sure had a little chat today 😬...
Brady is 6-1 against Big Ben . I'd imagine Le' veon Bell will get his yards, I can't imagine Belichick letting Brown beat him, it will have to be somewhere else. I think , they'll give up the run, try and keep them to FGs. The Steelers D doesn't match up well with the Pats. Hogan has been a massive plus , he's definitely not Randy Moss, but he does give Brady a legitimate deep threat.
It will take probably close to 40 to win the other game, both QBs are playing at the peak of their powers, you would have to say though that , the Falcons backfield is WAY stronger than the packs, scored twice last night, Montgomery isn't a RB...
I just can't see how the Packers can stop that offense...

I'd a agree with most of that. I also would think that Belichick will be fairly adamant that Bell will have to be contained. He can't go off, because if he does the Steelers will control the clock, and because the Pats are not really a downfield team (perhaps Hogan excluded) they need to have possession for decent periods too.

I don't trust the Falcons, but on paper they have the offense to beat anyone. Freeman and Coleman are a genuinely good backfield, and as you say the Packers don't have one. If the Falcons can figure out how to pressure Rogers while keeping him in the pocket, they'll win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 09:05:48 AM
As for Brown, I kind of feel sorry for him. As I understand it he was live casting the celebrations from the dressing room when Tomlin came in and made his speech. We've all seen those locker room victory speeches, so I'm sure Brown thought it was just another one of those. He deleted it very shortly afterwards I think?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 17, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 17, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Good work Antonio Brown... Mike Tomlin I'm sure had a little chat today 😬...
Brady is 6-1 against Big Ben . I'd imagine Le' veon Bell will get his yards, I can't imagine Belichick letting Brown beat him, it will have to be somewhere else. I think , they'll give up the run, try and keep them to FGs. The Steelers D doesn't match up well with the Pats. Hogan has been a massive plus , he's definitely not Randy Moss, but he does give Brady a legitimate deep threat.
It will take probably close to 40 to win the other game, both QBs are playing at the peak of their powers, you would have to say though that , the Falcons backfield is WAY stronger than the packs, scored twice last night, Montgomery isn't a RB...
I just can't see how the Packers can stop that offense...

I'd a agree with most of that. I also would think that Belichick will be fairly adamant that Bell will have to be contained. He can't go off, because if he does the Steelers will control the clock, and because the Pats are not really a downfield team (perhaps Hogan excluded) they need to have possession for decent periods too.

I don't trust the Falcons, but on paper they have the offense to beat anyone. Freeman and Coleman are a genuinely good backfield, and as you say the Packers don't have one. If the Falcons can figure out how to pressure Rogers while keeping him in the pocket, they'll win.
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You cannot keep Rodgers in the pocket, he is an absolute master of buying time and time in his hands is deadly.

History is on the side of the Packers in this one, they call Green Bay Titletown USA for one reason, World championships, nobody can touch them on that score, if the defensive game plan is even good Green Bay will win this, alas I have little faith in the head coach and a couple of his top men.

I am hoping like hell it is a Green Bay Pats Superbowl, it would be one for the ages.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 17, 2017, 10:22:24 AM
I'd love it to be a Falcons/Steelers Superbowl with the Falcons winning but until they actually do it, as AZ says, it's hard to have faith in them. They just give up a lot of points and while they seem to almost score at will you need to play some defense to get the job done. That said, none of the 4 teams left have particularly brilliant defences. Pity the Steeler/Patriots is on so late....will be pretty bleary eyed in work on Monday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: stew on January 17, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 17, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Good work Antonio Brown... Mike Tomlin I'm sure had a little chat today 😬...
Brady is 6-1 against Big Ben . I'd imagine Le' veon Bell will get his yards, I can't imagine Belichick letting Brown beat him, it will have to be somewhere else. I think , they'll give up the run, try and keep them to FGs. The Steelers D doesn't match up well with the Pats. Hogan has been a massive plus , he's definitely not Randy Moss, but he does give Brady a legitimate deep threat.
It will take probably close to 40 to win the other game, both QBs are playing at the peak of their powers, you would have to say though that , the Falcons backfield is WAY stronger than the packs, scored twice last night, Montgomery isn't a RB...
I just can't see how the Packers can stop that offense...

I'd a agree with most of that. I also would think that Belichick will be fairly adamant that Bell will have to be contained. He can't go off, because if he does the Steelers will control the clock, and because the Pats are not really a downfield team (perhaps Hogan excluded) they need to have possession for decent periods too.

I don't trust the Falcons, but on paper they have the offense to beat anyone. Freeman and Coleman are a genuinely good backfield, and as you say the Packers don't have one. If the Falcons can figure out how to pressure Rogers while keeping him in the pocket, they'll win.
[/b]

You cannot keep Rodgers in the pocket, he is an absolute master of buying time and time in his hands is deadly.

History is on the side of the Packers in this one, they call Green Bay Titletown USA for one reason, World championships, nobody can touch them on that score, if the defensive game plan is even good Green Bay will win this, alas I have little faith in the head coach and a couple of his top men.

I am hoping like hell it is a Green Bay Pats Superbowl, it would be one for the ages.

It's certainly difficult to do stew, but it can be done. You need a great pass rush, and you need discipline to not over pursue and collapse the pocket.

As for World Championships, I know what you are saying re their history. But Pittsburgh and New England have more in the superbowl era don't they?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2017, 10:07:21 PM
Thought you might find this interesting AZ, as a self professed line "geek"  ;)

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/17/14297298/aaron-rodgers-jared-cook-catch-breakdown-packers-vs-cowboys-how-it-worked?utm_campaign=sbnation.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sbnationnfl&utm_source=twitter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 17, 2017, 11:21:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 10:39:22 AM
Quote from: stew on January 17, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 17, 2017, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 17, 2017, 03:32:00 AM
Good work Antonio Brown... Mike Tomlin I'm sure had a little chat today 😬...
Brady is 6-1 against Big Ben . I'd imagine Le' veon Bell will get his yards, I can't imagine Belichick letting Brown beat him, it will have to be somewhere else. I think , they'll give up the run, try and keep them to FGs. The Steelers D doesn't match up well with the Pats. Hogan has been a massive plus , he's definitely not Randy Moss, but he does give Brady a legitimate deep threat.
It will take probably close to 40 to win the other game, both QBs are playing at the peak of their powers, you would have to say though that , the Falcons backfield is WAY stronger than the packs, scored twice last night, Montgomery isn't a RB...
I just can't see how the Packers can stop that offense...

I'd a agree with most of that. I also would think that Belichick will be fairly adamant that Bell will have to be contained. He can't go off, because if he does the Steelers will control the clock, and because the Pats are not really a downfield team (perhaps Hogan excluded) they need to have possession for decent periods too.

I don't trust the Falcons, but on paper they have the offense to beat anyone. Freeman and Coleman are a genuinely good backfield, and as you say the Packers don't have one. If the Falcons can figure out how to pressure Rogers while keeping him in the pocket, they'll win.
[/b]

You cannot keep Rodgers in the pocket, he is an absolute master of buying time and time in his hands is deadly.

History is on the side of the Packers in this one, they call Green Bay Titletown USA for one reason, World championships, nobody can touch them on that score, if the defensive game plan is even good Green Bay will win this, alas I have little faith in the head coach and a couple of his top men.

I am hoping like hell it is a Green Bay Pats Superbowl, it would be one for the ages.

It's certainly difficult to do stew, but it can be done. You need a great pass rush, and you need discipline to not over pursue and collapse the pocket.

As for World Championships, I know what you are saying re their history. But Pittsburgh and New England have more in the superbowl era don't they?

Aye but a superbowl is worth the exact same, ridiculously all were crowned world champs and no one .ca, touch the lack.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 17, 2017, 11:23:36 PM
Looks like Kyle Shanahan new 49ers HC, good hire on the face of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 17, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2017, 11:23:36 PM
Looks like Kyle Shanahan new 49ers HC, good hire on the face of it

Good hire, terrible franchise.

How any ownership in their right minds would let Harbaugh walk is beyond me. Vets chose to retire early over playing on with the organisation. That tells you everything you need to know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 18, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
Harbaugh is right where he should be . He's perfect for college ball, most top level players can only handle him for 2/3 years. That's all he needs from most of them at Michigan. His persona would get ( and did) very old at the pro level. Egos are a lot different in the NFL. I think you saw the tail end of that when he left SF. In saying that , he's an exceptional coach and if a team wanted immediate success for say a 3 year period, he's the man. To replace him in SF with a car salesman was an unmitigated disaster. The Rams should have broke the bank to get to LA....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2017, 08:29:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2017, 11:23:36 PM
Looks like Kyle Shanahan new 49ers HC, good hire on the face of it

Good hire, terrible franchise.

How any ownership in their right minds would let Harbaugh walk is beyond me. Vets chose to retire early over playing on with the organisation. That tells you everything you need to know.

And the 49ers used to be such a brilliantly run franchise under Ed DeBartolo or whatever his name is. They were my team before I moved to Arizona. When I came back home I stuck with the Cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2017, 08:35:21 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2017, 10:07:21 PM
Thought you might find this interesting AZ, as a self professed line "geek"  ;)

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/17/14297298/aaron-rodgers-jared-cook-catch-breakdown-packers-vs-cowboys-how-it-worked?utm_campaign=sbnation.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sbnationnfl&utm_source=twitter


Yes, that's the sort of stuff I love reading :) He makes the same point as me about the End. Show him inside and even force him inside because it's a designed rollout. The thing about Rodgers is he has great ability to slide out even on non-designed plays, so you *have* to keep an eye on him and come from the edge. The sack beforehand was a great example of doing it via a blitz.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 18, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 17, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 17, 2017, 11:23:36 PM
Looks like Kyle Shanahan new 49ers HC, good hire on the face of it

Good hire, terrible franchise.

How any ownership in their right minds would let Harbaugh walk is beyond me. Vets chose to retire early over playing on with the organisation. That tells you everything you need to know.

Wait a minute here, some of the main men absolutely hated Harbaugh, it wasn't all sunshine and lollipops when he was at the helm.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 18, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
The main men couldn't handle him at all. He seems very abrasive, and as Syf says, his schtick seems to wear on players quite quickly as well. In San Francisco though, I think he was getting the road no matter whether he won or lost because basically the front office were sick of him. At Michigan, not so much, as he has reinvented himself as a cheerleader and a mobile advert for the Wolverines, so they seem happy with him so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 18, 2017, 06:58:46 PM
I'm not sure i buy the line that the players in SF got sick of Harbaugh. I don't recall any publically criticising him after he left and most seemed enjoy playing for him (of course winning cures many ills). He always came across as very much a players coach - Defending them in the media. The issue for Harbaugh in SF was his relationship with the front office and ownership - he seemed to have very little time for owner (who is a joke) and a distrust of any one in a suit, who wasn't 'blue collar'.

Kyle Shanahan is a great hire - though i'm really surprised he's taken it given the absolute dearth of talent on the niners roster. They at least have lots of cap space to work with.

On Rodgers, agree with AZ, you need to keep in the pocket. The one rap on him over the years is that he takes too many sacks - especially those long sacks where the qb holds on to the ball too long. Atlanta's pass rushers will need to be disciplined.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 19, 2017, 05:15:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
The main men couldn't handle him at all. He seems very abrasive, and as Syf says, his schtick seems to wear on players quite quickly as well. In San Francisco though, I think he was getting the road no matter whether he won or lost because basically the front office were sick of him. At Michigan, not so much, as he has reinvented himself as a cheerleader and a mobile advert for the Wolverines, so they seem happy with him so far.
who said that? 😉
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 19, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Word out of Green Bay is that Rodgers has a sprained wrist, right wrist.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 19, 2017, 05:15:00 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 18, 2017, 11:14:24 AM
The main men couldn't handle him at all. He seems very abrasive, and as Syf says, his schtick seems to wear on players quite quickly as well. In San Francisco though, I think he was getting the road no matter whether he won or lost because basically the front office were sick of him. At Michigan, not so much, as he has reinvented himself as a cheerleader and a mobile advert for the Wolverines, so they seem happy with him so far.
who said that? 😉

Sorry, I can't tell ye apart :) Cantankerous yokes, the pair of ye.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2017, 02:14:02 PM
Quote from: stew on January 19, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Word out of Green Bay is that Rodgers has a sprained wrist, right wrist.

here's an obvious comment that others might make, I couldn't possibly comment!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2017, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on January 19, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Word out of Green Bay is that Rodgers has a sprained wrist, right wrist.

Seanie will love that. When he had the gimpy calf a couple fo years ago and was able to limp his way to a scrambled first down, he saw it as proof that Rodgers was really jsut a big attention seeking knob.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 19, 2017, 02:47:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 19, 2017, 02:33:45 PM
Quote from: stew on January 19, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
Word out of Green Bay is that Rodgers has a sprained wrist, right wrist.

Seanie will love that. When he had the gimpy calf a couple fo years ago and was able to limp his way to a scrambled first down, he saw it as proof that Rodgers was really jsut a big attention seeking knob.

Especially when he only seemed to remember in between plays that he was injured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 19, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
Anyone Seanie doesn't like tends to be pretty good anyways.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 19, 2017, 03:20:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 19, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
Anyone Seanie doesn't like tends to be pretty good anyways.

Especially if they happen to play in the NFC North.  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 19, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
the Raiders just filed for a move to Vegas...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 19, 2017, 10:51:40 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 19, 2017, 10:34:19 PM
the Raiders just filed for a move to Vegas...

A lot of road fans at Raiders games  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 20, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
so you don't have an opposition to Pudge Rodriquez getting in? A great catcher, named in Cansecos book and without a doubt a known steroid user. He gets in first ballot ??
Bonds was a better player....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 20, 2017, 08:20:10 AM
Where did I say I hadn't a problem? I'd have no problem if they were all left out. In fact I said 'but I'm sure there are others in Cooperstown....'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
But the issue with Rose is that he was betting on games, including games he was playing or managing in. That is potentially influencing results.

Schilling is a moron, but there are no questions about his conduct with respect to the integrity of the sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 20, 2017, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 20, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
But the issue with Rose is that he was betting on games, including games he was playing or managing in. That is potentially influencing results.

Schilling is a moron, but there are no questions about his conduct with respect to the integrity of the sport.

I understand all that, but steroid use is *definitely* influencing results.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2017, 10:50:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 20, 2017, 10:46:52 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 20, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
But the issue with Rose is that he was betting on games, including games he was playing or managing in. That is potentially influencing results.

Schilling is a moron, but there are no questions about his conduct with respect to the integrity of the sport.

I understand all that, but steroid use is *definitely* influencing results.

And that is why Clements and Bonds didn't make it. Rodriguez probably never will given his conduct in terms if falsely impugning the reputations of multiple people when he was in fact guilty (a bit like Lance Armstrong in that respect).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 20, 2017, 11:06:28 AM
Johnny Manziel
‏@JManziel2 
 
No lie.. I was a douche in 2016 I'm just trying to be a good PERSON again#LostInTheSauce


Wonder will he get another chance?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 20, 2017, 11:15:12 AM
Only 2016 Johnny?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 20, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 20, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
so you don't have an opposition to Pudge Rodriquez getting in? A great catcher, named in Cansecos book and without a doubt a known steroid user. He gets in first ballot ??
Bonds was a better player....

The mere fact you mentioned hating Schilling,not because he was a conservative means you hated him because he is a conservative, it's at least part of the equation!

The man was nails in the playoffs, he is one of the best pitchers of all time and he honored the game in the way he conducted himself, what more do you need?



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2017, 12:10:04 PM
Quote from: stew on January 20, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 20, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
so you don't have an opposition to Pudge Rodriquez getting in? A great catcher, named in Cansecos book and without a doubt a known steroid user. He gets in first ballot ??
Bonds was a better player....

The mere fact you mentioned hating Schilling,not because he was a conservative means you hated him because he is a conservative, it's at least part of the equation!

The man was nails in the playoffs, he is one of the best pitchers of all time and he honored the game in the way he conducted himself, what more do you need?

I don't dislike Schilling because he is a conservative.

I dislike Schilling because he comes out with false, inflammatory, hateful, half-baked, conspiratorial, moronic nonsense.

Unless you're saying that the views and statements of Schilling are typical, respectable positions for conservatives to hold?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 20, 2017, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 20, 2017, 12:10:04 PM
Quote from: stew on January 20, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 20, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
so you don't have an opposition to Pudge Rodriquez getting in? A great catcher, named in Cansecos book and without a doubt a known steroid user. He gets in first ballot ??
Bonds was a better player....

The mere fact you mentioned hating Schilling,not because he was a conservative means you hated him because he is a conservative, it's at least part of the equation!

The man was nails in the playoffs, he is one of the best pitchers of all time and he honored the game in the way he conducted himself, what more do you need?

I don't dislike Schilling because he is a conservative.

I dislike Schilling because he comes out with false, inflammatory, hateful, half-baked, conspiratorial, moronic nonsense.

Unless you're saying that the views and statements of Schilling are typical, respectable positions for conservatives to hold?

Why being up his political views at all?

He really did not mean what he said about writers and if he had been a liberal you would have said exactly what I just said about him.

Schilling was otherworldly at times, he deserves the hall as one of the true greats regardless of his faith or political bent!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 20, 2017, 09:37:18 PM
Quote from: stew on January 20, 2017, 09:29:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 20, 2017, 12:10:04 PM
Quote from: stew on January 20, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 20, 2017, 02:33:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 19, 2017, 02:47:12 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 19, 2017, 02:21:16 PM
Anyone here into the baseball?

Bonds and Clemens miss out on the Hall of Fame again due to their steroid issues, despite rumours that they'd make it this time.

Curt Schilling misses out because he is a loudmouth moron who said, among other things, that baseball journalists should be lynched!

Now I can't stand the guy, not because he is conservative, but because he is as dumb as a bag of hammers and spews ridiculous, incoherent, bigoted, inflammatory nonsense. That said, shouldn't it be his exploits ON the field by which he is judged in these things?

By all accounts he was one of the best play-off pitchers ever, outspoken against drug use as a player, and not in any way under suspicion for having corrupted the game itself. That he is a sorry excuse for a human being shouldn't come into it, especially given the checkered private lives of many already voted in.

If it were just what happened on the field of play, Pete Rose should be in. In Schilling's case, he may just not be hall of fame worthy, especially with all the other baggage.

As for Bonds and Clements, it's a hard one. I'm not a bit sorry for them, with their drug history, but I'm sure there's others in Cooperstown who are there with the help of a chemistry set or two. Maybe they should just build a wing for the 90s and 00s, and put a big Asterix beside all their names, and call it the 'Drug Years' wing. Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clements, A Rod and a pile more could be in there. Wouldn't be their first bust anyway.
so you don't have an opposition to Pudge Rodriquez getting in? A great catcher, named in Cansecos book and without a doubt a known steroid user. He gets in first ballot ??
Bonds was a better player....

The mere fact you mentioned hating Schilling,not because he was a conservative means you hated him because he is a conservative, it's at least part of the equation!

The man was nails in the playoffs, he is one of the best pitchers of all time and he honored the game in the way he conducted himself, what more do you need?

I don't dislike Schilling because he is a conservative.

I dislike Schilling because he comes out with false, inflammatory, hateful, half-baked, conspiratorial, moronic nonsense.

Unless you're saying that the views and statements of Schilling are typical, respectable positions for conservatives to hold?

Why being up his political views at all?

He really did not mean what he said about writers and if he had been a liberal you would have said exactly what I just said about him.

Schilling was otherworldly at times, he deserves the hall as one of the true greats regardless of his faith or political bent!

What are you on about?

I said he's a complete gobshite but he deserves to be in the hall of fame.

My entire point is that the bollocks he posts about politics or whatever SHOULD be irrelevant. It clearly isn't.

Which is why I brought it up.

Although I would mention my views of Schilling in whatever context I was discussing him, because he is such a brainless, offensive, tool!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2017, 02:37:42 AM
J70, you say are saying that's why Bonds and Clemments won't get in ( steroids), yet Ivan Rodriguez gets in on the first ballot. He was a great player, but wasn't close to bonds or Clemmens imho
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on January 22, 2017, 08:32:37 AM
Football Playoffs

NFC Champioship
Pack vs The Dirty Birds

Rodgers has been en fuego but now he cools off. The team has the flu running through the locker room, Jordy hurt, Davantae hurt, Geronimo hurt, WR playing RB and a very porous defense.

Atlanta has the number one scoring offense, two stud RB's, 1 excellent and three good WR's and a QB who will be the league MVP. On defense they will give Rodgers a beating especially Vic Beasley who led the league in sacks.

Prediction  ATL 31  GB 20
Take the Falcons -6 and the under 61.5

AFC Championship
Pats vs Steelers

Pats have the Golden Boy in Brady, Julian catching everything, Marty picking up the pace of Gronk, two very good RB's and an evil head coach who has sold his soul to the devil for ultimate play calling powers in the NFL and a defense that gets after the QB, and can stop the passing game. Pats lead this series 3-1 in the playoffs.

Steelers will rely heavily on Bell to carry the rock, Ben to hit Antonio as much as possible and avoid turnovers. The defense is not close to the Steel Curtain of old but is sufficient to help carry them to wins.

Prediction  NE 24  PIT 20
Take the Steelers +6 and the under 51

Best Parlay
ATL -6
ATL/GB under 61.5
Steelers +6

1st half Parlay
Atl -3
ATL/GB under 31
NE +3

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 22, 2017, 03:48:12 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2017, 02:37:42 AM
J70, you say are saying that's why Bonds and Clemments won't get in ( steroids), yet Ivan Rodriguez gets in on the first ballot. He was a great player, but wasn't close to bonds or Clemmens imho

Is the issue with steroids not that performance will be artificially/falsely improved?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 22, 2017, 09:34:14 PM
Serious half from the Falcons... Any chance for Rodgers??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 22, 2017, 09:34:14 PM
Serious half from the Falcons... Any chance for Rodgers??

No. Falcons look unbeatable on this form, would fancy them to handle Steelers/Pats in Superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 22, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
Loving this. Aaron got sacked by a guy on the ground tipping his foot! Not over...only because the Packers have Rodgers but the fat lady is tuning up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2017, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2017, 09:45:24 PM
Loving this. Aaron got sacked by a guy on the ground tipping his foot! Not over...only because the Packers have Rodgers but the fat lady is tuning up.

Falcons have too many weapons, you would think they will score at least another two TDs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 22, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
Not helped there by receivers. Any score here and you'd say it's curtains.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
Not helped there by receivers. Any score here and you'd say it's curtains.

There you go
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 22, 2017, 09:58:12 PM
Absolutely ruthless display from Atlanta.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Atlanta very impressive but there must have been some virus in the Green Bay camp this weekend. No other explanation for every last one of them being off colour.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Atlanta very impressive but there must have been some virus in the Green Bay camp this weekend. No other explanation for every last one of them being off colour.

Packers are a very average team who were carried by Rodgers brilliance. When his protection wasn't as good and he started to shit himself after getting a few hits as he always does it all fell apart. He was lucky he wasn't ejected for pulling the helmet off Alford by the facemask. He's a brilliant QB but no one can do it on their own.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 23, 2017, 02:55:10 AM
Patriots to walk through the Falcons. Nightmare champion is upon us.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 23, 2017, 03:42:45 AM
You can hate all you like, but surely now Brady has cemented his place as the best QB to play the game? Seven SBs in a salary cap era is an unbelievable achievements. There are no Julios or Antonio Browns or OBJs on that team, but their gameplay execution is second to none. Brady will be 40 in the summer, and tbh, is showing very little signs of slowing down, although it's gonna happen at some point. This is without Gronk as well. Chandler Jones, roaded. Jamie Collins , roaded . Business as usual. Whoever wins, will have to put up at least 35 points... could be a classic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Did ya hear that some gobshite set off the alarm in the Steelers hotel at 3am, forcing an evacuation. He fled via a waiting car but was later arrested. Since Trumps election assholes everywhere are emboldened but this is typical Patriots cheating. Obviously no link to the team but the culture of cheating is clearly embraced by this supporter. Hopefully Atlanta can do it but it's looking bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2017, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Did ya hear that some gobshite set off the alarm in the Steelers hotel at 3am, forcing an evacuation. He fled via a waiting car but was later arrested. Since Trumps election assholes everywhere are emboldened but this is typical Patriots cheating. Obviously no link to the team but the culture of cheating is clearly embraced by this supporter. Hopefully Atlanta can do it but it's looking bad.

Good weekend for Brady & Bellichick, getting to the Super Bowl & their buddy Trump getting inaugurated  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2017, 11:08:57 AM
I only watch the condensed version of the Pats and Steelers, so I'll look at it more this evening. The Falcons were very good against the Packers, but I'm suspicious of them. Green Bay needed to make plays to stick with the pace being set, and when they didn't it became very easy for Atlanta. Green Bay were also very banged up, so that didn't help. The main thing though is they have very little running game, and Atlanta did to Rodgers what you have to do to him. Get pressure on, and in such a way that he can't escape left or right. I think he was only out of the pocket 3 or 4 times. All the other times he was throwing from a pocket or else was hit. That's exactly what you want. He's still a great QB, but when he's a pocket passer, he's just another great NFL QB, and if you can cover the receivers for a normal amount of time, you have a great chance. When he runs around, the receivers eventually get open and that is what kills defenses.

Atlanta are balanced. They have 2 decent running backs, 3 or 4 good receivers and a very good NFL professional quarterback. However I just can't get the feeling out of my head that Bellichick will take 2 weeks and have something for them. The problem for the Pats is they normally take away your best player. That's Belichicks M.O for years. With Atlanta, that might be harder to do. You can take away Jones, but they spread it around so much that they still may be able to make hay with Sanu and Gabriel, not to mind Freeman catching it out of the backfield. You also have 2 running backs that can be productive, so it'll be harder to take away the run game.

I'm going to watch the games back, and the coaches film, but at this point my gut trusts the Patriots more to make plays against the Atlanta Defense, and it just feels like the Hoodie will do something to stymie the Falcons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 23, 2017, 11:22:06 AM
Not only has Stuart Lancaster improved Leinster but now the Atlanta Falcons ;)

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/686166/Stuart-Lancaster-handed-defence-coach-role-Atlanta-Falcons-Rugby-Union-return-News-Gossip
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 23, 2017, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Did ya hear that some gobshite set off the alarm in the Steelers hotel at 3am, forcing an evacuation. He fled via a waiting car but was later arrested. Since Trumps election assholes everywhere are emboldened but this is typical Patriots cheating. Obviously no link to the team but the culture of cheating is clearly embraced by this supporter. Hopefully Atlanta can do it but it's looking bad.

This type of stuff has been happening in soccer for years. Usually the fans just gather in front of the hotel and make a pile of noise all night!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Atlanta very impressive but there must have been some virus in the Green Bay camp this weekend. No other explanation for every last one of them being off colour.

Packers are a very average team who were carried by Rodgers brilliance. When his protection wasn't as good and he started to shit himself after getting a few hits as he always does it all fell apart. He was lucky he wasn't ejected for pulling the helmet off Alford by the facemask. He's a brilliant QB but no one can do it on their own.

Yeah good summation Seanie, Packers are average in a lot of areas and below average in some. Linebackers are atrocious and Clay Matthews isn't even close to giving value for money. With Joe Flacco or an ordinary Joe at QB this team would be lucky to win 6 games. A lot of that lies at the door of Ted Thompson, the GM, won't spend in free agency.

No matter how well Rodgers plays they will never win a Super Bowl with that D, saw a stat today that Rodgers has 3 playoff losses where the D has allowed 44 points. 

Tom Brady has *never* played on a team where a D has allowed 44 pts (267 starts).....

Obviously injuries hurt them, you had Gunter (undrafted in 2015) trying to cover Julio Jones, the bloodbath everyone expected happened
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 06:52:00 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 23, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Atlanta very impressive but there must have been some virus in the Green Bay camp this weekend. No other explanation for every last one of them being off colour.

Packers are a very average team who were carried by Rodgers brilliance. When his protection wasn't as good and he started to shit himself after getting a few hits as he always does it all fell apart. He was lucky he wasn't ejected for pulling the helmet off Alford by the facemask. He's a brilliant QB but no one can do it on their own.

Yeah good summation Seanie, Packers are average in a lot of areas and below average in some. Linebackers are atrocious and Clay Matthews isn't even close to giving value for money. With Joe Flacco or an ordinary Joe at QB this team would be lucky to win 6 games. A lot of that lies at the door of Ted Thompson, the GM, won't spend in free agency.

No matter how well Rodgers plays they will never win a Super Bowl with that D, saw a stat today that Rodgers has 3 playoff losses where the D has allowed 44 points. 

Tom Brady has *never* played on a team where a D has allowed 44 pts (267 starts).....

Obviously injuries hurt them, you had Gunter (undrafted in 2015) trying to cover Julio Jones, the bloodbath everyone expected happened

Yeah, it got crazy with the secondary. Green Bay's defence had just about done enough - a big play here and there making up for leaking yards and points - but against a really good offence playing well it was going to be a tall order.

I know it's laudable (and probably still the best way) "building through the draft" and retaining your better players but sometimes you have to pay top dollar in free agency to get the pieces in place. There needs to be a mixture. Would GB have cap space? Despite it being predominantly a passing league you still do need a running game and the Packers haven't really had one for quite some time. Lacy looked like he was going to be that piece but has really disappointed. From the outside looking in it looks to me that the Packers coaches don't think you really need a run game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 23, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
Is paying top dollar in free agency, particularly on the defensive side, not generally shown to be a vastly more inefficient way of building a team?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 23, 2017, 07:20:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Did ya hear that some gobshite set off the alarm in the Steelers hotel at 3am, forcing an evacuation. He fled via a waiting car but was later arrested. Since Trumps election assholes everywhere are emboldened but this is typical Patriots cheating. Obviously no link to the team but the culture of cheating is clearly embraced by this supporter. Hopefully Atlanta can do it but it's looking bad.
ffs, wise up seany! Typical patriots cheating? Some clown does that , and that's what you come out with? You're usually a level headed poster. That's a ridiculous comment...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on January 23, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 23, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
Is paying top dollar in free agency, particularly on the defensive side, not generally shown to be a vastly more inefficient way of building a team?

You're right that its not the correct way to build a team but its a great way to finsh off a team and make a good team a contender such as Talib and Ware to Denver a few years back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2017, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: declan85 on January 23, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 23, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
Is paying top dollar in free agency, particularly on the defensive side, not generally shown to be a vastly more inefficient way of building a team?

You're right that its not the correct way to build a team but its a great way to finsh off a team and make a good team a contender such as Talib and Ware to Denver a few years back

Yeah I am not saying to build a team through it like Washington used to do , but to complement your drafting. Players are out there, Janoris Jenkins last year as well to the Giants. Key is to get them before they are on the downward slide

It gives the team depth too, something the Packers have zero of. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 23, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Atlanta very impressive but there must have been some virus in the Green Bay camp this weekend. No other explanation for every last one of them being off colour.

Packers are a very average team who were carried by Rodgers brilliance. When his protection wasn't as good and he started to shit himself after getting a few hits as he always does it all fell apart. He was lucky he wasn't ejected for pulling the helmet off Alford by the facemask. He's a brilliant QB but no one can do it on their own.

Rodgers took multiple hits that I don't think many other quarterbacks would bounce back from. Saw no signs of him "shitting himself" in that game at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 23, 2017, 09:42:05 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 23, 2017, 08:55:52 PM
Quote from: declan85 on January 23, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 23, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
Is paying top dollar in free agency, particularly on the defensive side, not generally shown to be a vastly more inefficient way of building a team?

You're right that its not the correct way to build a team but its a great way to finsh off a team and make a good team a contender such as Talib and Ware to Denver a few years back

Yeah I am not saying to build a team through it like Washington used to do , but to complement your drafting. Players are out there, Janoris Jenkins last year as well to the Giants. Key is to get them before they are on the downward slide

It gives the team depth too, something the Packers have zero of.

Seanie was talking about paying top dollar though. Bringing in reliable vets who are still elite is one thing, chucking a load of superstar money at the likes of Suh or Haynesworth and expecting to suddenly contend is another.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 24, 2017, 09:23:04 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 23, 2017, 07:20:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 10:17:10 AM
Did ya hear that some gobshite set off the alarm in the Steelers hotel at 3am, forcing an evacuation. He fled via a waiting car but was later arrested. Since Trumps election assholes everywhere are emboldened but this is typical Patriots cheating. Obviously no link to the team but the culture of cheating is clearly embraced by this supporter. Hopefully Atlanta can do it but it's looking bad.
ffs, wise up seany! Typical patriots cheating? Some clown does that , and that's what you come out with? You're usually a level headed poster. That's a ridiculous comment...

If the team he undoubtedly supports hadn't a significant recent history of cheating perhaps. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 24, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
http://www.the42.ie/patriots-fans-fire-alarm-3201837-Jan2017/ (http://www.the42.ie/patriots-fans-fire-alarm-3201837-Jan2017/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2017, 01:19:08 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 23, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2017, 02:05:18 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 22, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Atlanta very impressive but there must have been some virus in the Green Bay camp this weekend. No other explanation for every last one of them being off colour.

Packers are a very average team who were carried by Rodgers brilliance. When his protection wasn't as good and he started to shit himself after getting a few hits as he always does it all fell apart. He was lucky he wasn't ejected for pulling the helmet off Alford by the facemask. He's a brilliant QB but no one can do it on their own.

Yeah good summation Seanie, Packers are average in a lot of areas and below average in some. Linebackers are atrocious and Clay Matthews isn't even close to giving value for money. With Joe Flacco or an ordinary Joe at QB this team would be lucky to win 6 games. A lot of that lies at the door of Ted Thompson, the GM, won't spend in free agency.

No matter how well Rodgers plays they will never win a Super Bowl with that D, saw a stat today that Rodgers has 3 playoff losses where the D has allowed 44 points. 

Tom Brady has *never* played on a team where a D has allowed 44 pts (267 starts).....

Obviously injuries hurt them, you had Gunter (undrafted in 2015) trying to cover Julio Jones, the bloodbath everyone expected happened

Thompson is notorious for not spending in free agency, he and the head coach are killing the Packers!

What Rodgers accomplished this year is remarkable given the injuries and horrendous lack of depth and talent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 01, 2017, 09:54:09 AM
Well who do our resident Football experts reckon will win this weekend? As a neutral I hope Atlanta do it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 01, 2017, 10:48:32 AM
I'm far from an expert, but sure I'll do my best. The Pats have made their name over many years, under Belichick, by taking away your best attacking option, and by making your offensive coordinator rely on things he doesn't like or isn't 100% comfortable with. With the Falcons, that is probably Julio Jones. The problem with that is you also have Sanu and Gabriel who have proven themselves very adequate receivers, and coupled with a very serviceable running game, and running backs catching quick outs and passes out of the backfield, the Falcons are better equipped than most to be able to function well if Jones is taken away. Therefore I think the Pats may be more ambitious, and try take the head of the snake, Matt Ryan. Ryan is no Rodgers in terms of escapability, but he is relatively mobile. However if the Pats can get quick pressure on Ryan, then the entire passing game might suffer. I'm not sure how Alex Mack will be, but he is the quarterback of the O-Line, as the centre, and if he is limited or even out, then the protection may well suffer, and that's the sort of thing that is grist to Belichick's mill.

I don't think the Patriots defensive backfield can hold up against all those receivers if the Falcons can protect Ryan, and with the balance the run game brings, I think that might be the key to the Falcons offense. The PAts are good against the Run, and while Freeman and Coleman are very good running backs, they are not absolutely elite level guys, so if you can negate or curtail the passing game, and make the Falcons run heavy, I think the Patriots D wins that battle.

On the other side of the ball, the Falcons Defense is improving, they are fast and they are aggressive, and they have a decent pass rush, especially with the young lad, Vic Beasley coming into the line. However it's hard to look past the fact that they were 28th in the league versus the pass, and 25th in total yards, and gave up the 6th most points per game. That's the sort of stuff that Brady licks his lips about. Now they improved dramatically in the last 6 or 7 games of the season, and the playoffs. They're getting pressure more now, which has certainly helped their backend stand up a bit better, but the suspicion there is that if the PAts can keep Brady upright, he will take advantage of that defense. Another variable is that Belichick has history in beating you with some lad you weren't expecting, so lads like LaGarret Blount might well end up with major roles. Don't be surprised if Kevin Hogan doesn't find the end zone, as Josh McDaniel may decide to focus on changing up the game film from the last day out.


All in all, it may be a battle of the offensive and defensive lines, as it often is. Keep these franchise quarterbacks off their arses, and they'll do damage. If that happens, I think the Falcons have more firepower and will win. However, I think the Patriots find a way to get pressure on Ryan, and therefore make the Falcons passing game much less of a factor, and so I will take the evil Galactic Empire to win one against the Birds.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 01, 2017, 11:02:33 AM
Good man AZ -thanks for that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on February 01, 2017, 01:17:50 PM
QuoteI'm far from an expert, but ...

And you started so well!  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 01, 2017, 10:57:42 PM
Can't disagree with any of that. Really want the Falcons to win but all logic points to the Patriots. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 02, 2017, 01:03:35 AM
The Falcons have too much firepower and will w/o, this game by two touchdowns or more.

The Pats are beaten up and Brady will throw three picks or more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on February 02, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2017, 01:03:35 AM
The Falcons have too much firepower and will w/o, this game by two touchdowns or more.

The Pats are beaten up and Brady will throw three picks or more.

What is this prediction based on given he only threw 2 in 12 regular season games?I know he threw a couple in the playoffs and obviously any qb can have a bad game but it's not some super bowl virgin here.

I m predicting an Atlanta win with a big 3rd quarter  after a low scoring 1St half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 02, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: TabClear on February 02, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2017, 01:03:35 AM
The Falcons have too much firepower and will w/o, this game by two touchdowns or more.

The Pats are beaten up and Brady will throw three picks or more.

What is this prediction based on given he only threw 2 in 12 regular season games?I know he threw a couple in the playoffs and obviously any qb can have a bad game but it's not some super bowl virgin here.

I m predicting an Atlanta win with a big 3rd quarter  after a low scoring 1St half.

Its based on the odds, he has been unreal however this D is primed and will get to him in the pocket, if the Pats are Behind he is prone to forcing the issue, I fear they will pick him off 3 times and that will be the difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2017, 08:30:25 AM
The Pats O-Line is very good though stew. Brady was only sacked 15 times in 12 games, a bit over 1 sack per game. Matt Ryan was sacked 37 times in 16 games in the regular season.

I mean, if it happens as you say, the Falcons get to Brady and the Patriots don't get to Ryan, then absolutely the Falcons will win, but I'm not sure I see that happening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on February 02, 2017, 09:40:43 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: TabClear on February 02, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2017, 01:03:35 AM
The Falcons have too much firepower and will w/o, this game by two touchdowns or more.

The Pats are beaten up and Brady will throw three picks or more.

What is this prediction based on given he only threw 2 in 12 regular season games?I know he threw a couple in the playoffs and obviously any qb can have a bad game but it's not some super bowl virgin here.

I m predicting an Atlanta win with a big 3rd quarter  after a low scoring 1St half.

Its based on the odds, he has been unreal however this D is primed and will get to him in the pocket, if the Pats are Behind he is prone to forcing the issue, I fear they will pick him off 3 times and that will be the difference.

I think this could be huge. If the Pats start fast and get in front they are hard to reel in. Brady and Belichek can manage the game like no other and if Ryan starts chasing Atlanta could have real problems.

Belichek will have a plan to limit the Atalanta 20 yrd plus plays that they were so good at making all season. All in all in looking forward to this Superbowl more than any other for years.  A lot of game changers on both sides.

P.s great analysis earlier AZ. Must be great to have so much time on your hands! !  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
Atlanta starts games fast and I'm sure the Patriots will try to take that away.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 02, 2017, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 02, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
Atlanta starts games fast and I'm sure the Patriots will try to take that away.

The psychological blow if the Pats can keep Atlanta out of the endzone on their first drive. I think the Falcons have scored on their first drive something like 7 or 8 games in a row. In the biggest game of all, if that doesn't happen, then there might be an impact on the Falcons confidence.It would be a statement from the Patriots.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 03, 2017, 12:08:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 02, 2017, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 02, 2017, 09:56:38 AM
Atlanta starts games fast and I'm sure the Patriots will try to take that away.

The psychological blow if the Pats can keep Atlanta out of the endzone on their first drive. I think the Falcons have scored on their first drive something like 7 or 8 games in a row. In the biggest game of all, if that doesn't happen, then there might be an impact on the Falcons confidence.It would be a statement from the Patriots.

Bullshit! BB will have the Pats expecting them to score on the first drive, he will make it take an emotional toll on Atlanta and pyscholgy will have no bearing on this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 03, 2017, 12:09:53 PM
Never change stew
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 03, 2017, 12:10:05 PM
Bullshit? You think Belichick won't want to stop them on the first drive and send a message? 'Not today boys'.

Why are you always so aggressive in your posts stew?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on February 03, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
Thought this was good - in fact I reckon its AZ's nom de plume ;) ;)


The Belichick Way

This is exactly what the Patriots head coach does that separates him from the rest of the NFL — expect nothing less at the Super Bowl on Sunday

For the next five days, bet on hearing dozens of football talking heads declare that Bill Belichick's defense wants to take away what Atlanta's offense does best. They will use Antonio Brown's lackluster AFC title game or Le'Veon Bell's inability to get started in Foxborough as their evidence. And no one will disagree with them.

Of course, they never explain how Belichick actually accomplishes it.

Whenever Belichick tells the media on Mondays or Tuesdays that he has already moved on to the next game, trust me, he's not lying. I worked with Bill for five years in Cleveland, and then during the 2014 and 2015 seasons in New England. Belichick treats every game like a Super Bowl; no detail is too small, no possible scenario or situation goes overlooked. I have heard Belichick break down a bumbling Jaguars team as if it was the reigning two-time Super Bowl winner and treat Blake Bortles like he's the second coming of Aaron Rodgers. Belichick does it with tape to back up his claims, only showing his team the opponent's greatest strengths. (With Bortles, I swear, he must have used George Lucas to doctor the video.) No Patriots opponent is underestimated or taken lightly — EVER.

When Belichick prepares for his next opponent, he studies their players and the signature plays of those players, not just the design of their offense. On Sunday, Belichick won't regard Julio Jones solely as a Z receiver, the way Green Bay defensive coordinator Dom Capers curiously treated him. If you were just an average NFL Z receiver, then a cornerback like Green Bay's LaDarius Gunter could handle you man-to-man in a critical play of the NFC championship game. But attach a meaningful name like Julio Jones to that position and what reasonable person would allow Gunter to cover man-to-man on an island? Looks good on a blackboard, just not on the field. (Sorry, Dom, that call is still bothering me.)

Belichick doesn't take away what the opponent does best, but what their individual players do best. It's a subtle but crucial difference. He personally breaks down every offensive player to understand their strengths within their team's scheme. Then, he matches the talents of New England's defensive players to whatever system he's created for that week. Did you ever wonder why former nose tackle Vince Wilfork lined up over the right tackle in certain Patriots games? For years, Wilfork was Belichick's best run stopper. Whenever New England's opponent loved running the ball to its right, guess where it made the most sense to stick Wilfork? Fairly simple, yet not often done.

When I studied the Falcons on tape, one possible weakness jumped out: The right opponent could disrupt the timing of their passing game by getting consistent pressure inside. Knocking Matt Ryan's offense off its timing, even slightly, will be paramount for the Patriots. If the Patriots don't get "in the paint" — the area where most quarterbacks want to step up and throw the ball — or apply steady pressure on Ryan, then their coverages won't matter.

Atlanta's offense operates best when Ryan has time and the pocket is clean. (Ask Green Bay.) Yet Ryan has been pressured 170 times this year — the eighth-highest total of any 2016 team — and Belichick knows pushing the Falcons guards backward into the pocket will slow down Ryan's passing game more than any defensive call. The Eagles had real success pressuring the pocket against Atlanta, as did Seattle and Kansas City, and guess what? The Falcons lost all three of those games. The Patriots will prioritize making the Super Bowl a physical affair, not a seven-on-seven contest. Expect defensive tackles Alan Branch and Malcom Brown to line up over either Falcons guard and follow this specific Belichick instruction: Push the line of scrimmage back — run or pass. No swim moves, no spins. Just pure power straight on, the same way the Giants disrupted Tom Brady's line of scrimmage nine years ago in Arizona.

As for Atlanta's most dangerous player, Belichick knows that Jones's number of total catches pales in significance to his number of big plays (anything over 20 yards). When Atlanta lost to Philadelphia in November, Jones finished with 10 catches (his second-highest total all season), 16 targets, and 13.5 yards per catch. Big numbers, right? The Falcons scored a season-low 15 points. You don't mind 10 for 135; you mind seven for 165. And it's not just Jones. The Falcons lead the NFL in big plays with 84 (15 runs, 69 passes). If they keep getting them against New England, there will be no fifth ring for Belichick. He knows it. All week, Belichick will likely preach these two things: "No big plays!" and "Don't let the f**king ball be thrown over our heads!" (He loves adding a little color for emphasis.)

Whenever Atlanta runs the football, Belichick will once again concentrate on controlling the defensive front. After playing 18 games across five months, he knows even the best offenses develop a few tendencies. If the Pats line up in their "Bear" front (covering every inside offensive lineman), then that means they know (or think they know) the types of runs Atlanta favors against that particular front. Quarterbacks usually call two runs in the huddle, which allows them to check into the best one depending on the front. Playing at home with crowd noise, New England loves shifting its front as the 25-second clock winds down, killing the opponent's ability to check (and inevitably causing a bad play). A Super Bowl crowd won't generate the same pro-Patriots noise. So Belichick will emphasize being physical, controlling the line of scrimmage and funneling the run back inside. That works only when you have a clear understanding of the plays Atlanta will run corresponding to those defensive fronts.

Don't underestimate history on Sunday. I suspect Belichick watched every game that his defense has played against anyone named "Shanahan," whether it's Atlanta's offensive coordinator Kyle or his father (and an old Belichick rival) Mike. Those games will become his compass. Any Shanahan team loves getting its running backs outside in space, whether it's with a run or a screen. I can imagine Belichick in team meetings barking "We're not gonna let them pitch the ball around the f**king corner like some of those other teams did!" The Pats will set a hard edge and force the ball back inside.

Any Shanahan offense centers around the run game, including a few potentially devastating play-action passes designed to appear as runs. Play-action succeeds if you create separation between the defense's second and third levels, creating an easier throw. When the Falcons run game stumbles, which rarely happened in 2016, their play-action passes are basically incapacitated. Belichick's first point will center on setting the edge; the second will be about New England grabbing the lead first, so Atlanta never gets going. New England led the NFL in scoring differential in the first half (plus-133); the Falcons finished second (plus-101). The Patriots also ranked first in first-quarter point differential (plus-98); Atlanta came in second (plus-71). On Sunday, there will be a mad dash for both teams to establish the lead to make it easier on their defenses. Belichick's mandate all week: "Start fast."

Of course, adjusting quickly during any football game is just as important. Belichick operates like General George S. Patton, who spent weeks studying the writing of his German adversary, Field Marshal Erwin Rommel, then used that found knowledge to crush him in their epic tank battle in Tunisia. On Sunday, imagine Belichick growling his version of "Rommel, you magnificent bastard. I read your book!"

Belichick's first quarter will be all about building a lead and learning Atlanta's plan. Taking away Julio Jones, eliminating the big play, setting the edge, creating the lead early, stopping the run — those are not independent thoughts. Belichick ties them together and makes them work together. If football were as simple as "taking away what the opponent does best," then we wouldn't be constantly bemoaning the lack of quality NFL coaching. Bill Belichick has lasted this long because he knows football is more complicated than that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 06, 2017, 12:47:54 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Quote from: TabClear on February 02, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2017, 01:03:35 AM
The Falcons have too much firepower and will w/o, this game by two touchdowns or more.

The Pats are beaten up and Brady will throw three picks or more.

What is this prediction based on given he only threw 2 in 12 regular season games?I know he threw a couple in the playoffs and obviously any qb can have a bad game but it's not some super bowl virgin here.

I m predicting an Atlanta win with a big 3rd quarter  after a low scoring 1St half.

Its based on the odds, he has been unreal however this D is primed and will get to him in the pocket, if the Pats are Behind he is prone to forcing the issue, I fear they will pick him off 3 times and that will be the difference.

Well there is the first Brady pick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 06, 2017, 12:52:44 AM
21-0 to the Falcons before half time. This game is already over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on February 06, 2017, 12:59:15 AM
Falcons' D might be getting a bit ragged though. NE still have a chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on February 06, 2017, 01:39:48 AM
I think Lady GaGa's half time show gave them more than enough time to catch their second wind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2017, 01:56:46 AM
Falcons have got way too much up front, Patriots might score 3 touchdowns but they simply cant stop the Falcons going the other way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 06, 2017, 02:42:48 AM
If there is a God, it's time for him to get his arse in gear and fúck this comeback up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 06, 2017, 03:08:14 AM
28-28 with 57 seconds left. Falcons have the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 06, 2017, 03:14:49 AM
God hates humanity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 06, 2017, 03:27:11 AM
One hell of a comeback, Tom Brady is some man for one man  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on February 06, 2017, 03:27:45 AM
The GOAT!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 06, 2017, 03:29:05 AM
Wow!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 06, 2017, 03:31:17 AM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 06, 2017, 03:27:45 AM
The GOAT!

That has to have even ended the debate. Unbelievable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: maigheo on February 06, 2017, 03:33:16 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 06, 2017, 12:52:44 AM
21-0 to the Falcons before half time. This game is already over.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on February 06, 2017, 03:33:34 AM
I dislike them with a passion but credit where it's due. An amazing come back by Brady & Co
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 06, 2017, 03:36:45 AM
No credit. Only the bitter puss-filled teet of another Patriots Superbowl. Everything about why college ball is better is encapsulated by that gang of thieves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on February 06, 2017, 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: omochain on February 06, 2017, 01:39:48 AM
I think Lady GaGa's half time show gave them more than enough time to catch their second wind.

Even with the Lady Gaga break, the Atlanta defen e spent a hell of our lot of time out there. Eventually it told. Losing the toss killed them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 06, 2017, 03:43:15 AM
The Edelman catch alone was worth staying up for
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on February 06, 2017, 03:45:21 AM
Yep.. agree completely mr. bog
should have kept my mouth shut😇
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sid waddell on February 06, 2017, 04:00:51 AM
The New England Patriots are like fascism - just as vile and when you think they're dead they unexpectedly spring back into life.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 06, 2017, 04:04:12 AM
Quote from: omochain on February 06, 2017, 03:33:34 AM
I dislike them with a passion but credit where it's due. An amazing come back by Brady & Co
+1

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: weareros on February 06, 2017, 04:10:03 AM
Fair play to them. They were once the perennial losers who became the aristocracy. Worth staying up for.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2017, 07:39:23 AM
What a choke job by the Falcons
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2017, 08:37:34 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 06, 2017, 07:39:23 AM
What a choke job by the Falcons

Right enough, the greatest player of all time and the greatest coach of all time had nothing to do with the end result, the Pats are up there with the Pack as a footballing dynasty.

Sid, are  you seeing fascists in your sleep, are they everywhere? Tube.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 06, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Skip Bayless declaring the Falcons champions is difficult not to enjoy. I hate that p***k. He said Brady would have had 500 yards of it wasn't for "drops". Let's be honest, in the first half he was constantly over throwing lads. He went supersonic in second half - is that enough to win MVP?

Saw a great quote from Hightower about his forced fumble. "I saw Matt Ryan with the ball in his hands, I wanted it so I hit him and took it". A simple game sometimes!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 09:01:46 AM
Whao - go Pats.

GOAT QB & Coach bar none.

Falcons D just ran out of gas and no better man than TB to take advantage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 06, 2017, 09:06:39 AM
Gutted for the Falcons but as was said time and time again before the game they needed to get pressure on Brady up the middle. They managed this for the guts of 3 quarters but the amount of time the Atlanta defence was out on the field told in the end and it was clear when the Patriots won the coin toss there was only going to be one winner.

I cannot stand the Patriots but they deserve huge credit. So many little things they did that no one else does. Even their kickoffs and coverage. They refused to give Atlanta 25 free yards in the second half when chasing the game and Goskowski's kickoffs and the coverage were brilliant. Even the failed onside attempt was excellent and a much better attempt than most sides use. And Brady - well if he gets time and space he will kill you....and in the end he did. However, they were ably assisted by some disastrous play calling by Kyle Shanahan and co who really cut their own throats. I said to a few of my mate at half time - if the Falcons get 10/14 points (which looked a pretty conservative estimate) then it's over. That's all they needed and they botched it. They will rue this for a long, long time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2017, 09:43:40 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 06, 2017, 09:06:39 AM
Gutted for the Falcons but as was said time and time again before the game they needed to get pressure on Brady up the middle. They managed this for the guts of 3 quarters but the amount of time the Atlanta defence was out on the field told in the end and it was clear when the Patriots won the coin toss there was only going to be one winner.

I cannot stand the Patriots but they deserve huge credit. So many little things they did that no one else does. Even their kickoffs and coverage. They refused to give Atlanta 25 free yards in the second half when chasing the game and Goskowski's kickoffs and the coverage were brilliant. Even the failed onside attempt was excellent and a much better attempt than most sides use. And Brady - well if he gets time and space he will kill you....and in the end he did. However, they were ably assisted by some disastrous play calling by Kyle Shanahan and co who really cut their own throats. I said to a few of my mate at half time - if the Falcons get 10/14 points (which looked a pretty conservative estimate) then it's over. That's all they needed and they botched it. They will rue this for a long, long time.

Brady was poor in the first half, sublime in the second, the hoodie had two weeks to prepare and did a far better job in that regard than his counterpart.

Playcalling is incredibly important, Green Bay should have three super bowls with Rodgers but the Playcalling is atrocious in Green Bay, the Falcons were horrendous in this discipline in the second half, watching them line up you could tell what was coming ffs.

I know New England is hated in here, I have been a fan since the Flutie days, should I love to be a hundred I will never watch greatness from any NFL team that comes back from 25 points down and wins a superbowl.

Brady is the best of all time, behind him you have Montana, Rodgers, Favre, Manning and Elway, behind them Marino, some company to keep but make no mistake, Brady is the greatest of them all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 06, 2017, 10:36:48 AM
Two Superbowls in three years gifted to the Patriots on the back of an idiotic call to throw instead of run. Take that field goal to make it 31-20 and it's all over with just over 2 minutes left.

But, hateful c***ts though they are, Brady and Bellichick are just incredible competitors and fair fucks to them. They'd no right to even think of winning that game, but they pulled it out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 06, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2017, 10:36:48 AM
Two Superbowls in three years gifted to the Patriots on the back of an idiotic call to throw instead of run. Take that field goal to make it 31-20 and it's all over with just over 2 minutes left.

But, hateful c***ts though they are, Brady and Bellichick are just incredible competitors and fair f**ks to them. They'd no right to even think of winning that game, but they pulled it out.

Absolutely. Terrible, terrible stuff but much and all as I dislike them the Patriots had to be there to benefit and the scraped and scratched their way back from the dead to give themselves a chance. Many would have folded.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 11:05:10 AM
The plays called by the Falcons when they were in front really was astounding at that level.

Big game pressure must do something to make them call daft/silly plays - you would think with so many advisors around there would be one cool or wise head to just take stock of things?

Suppose this is where Bill & Tom differ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 06, 2017, 12:13:48 PM
I like brady just like i liked payton manning! But this go down as a game the falcons lost! Played delaying tactics to eat the clock instead of going out and play their game! The f**k up within field goal distance which would have finished the game is unforgiveable and lies with the sideline call!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 06, 2017, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 11:05:10 AM
The plays called by the Falcons when they were in front really was astounding at that level.

Big game pressure must do something to make them call daft/silly plays - you would think with so many advisors around there would be one cool or wise head to just take stock of things?

Suppose this is where Bill & Tom differ

Falcons blew it big time
A big lead is great but they showed inexperience on how to close out the game and run the clock down
Brady and his team smelled blood and went for it
I don't really like him but boy he got his arm working in the last quarter and his teammates responded
One of the best performances I ever seen on any field across all
Sports   
Still it was more down to the falcons collapse and bad calls when the pressure came
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Up The Middle on February 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Why are the Patriots disliked so much? Is it just the fact that they have won so much? Or am I missing something here?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on February 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Why are the Patriots disliked so much? Is it just the fact that they have won so much? Or am I missing something here?

They cheat.............a lot
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 06, 2017, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on February 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Why are the Patriots disliked so much? Is it just the fact that they have won so much? Or am I missing something here?

They cheat.............a lot

Exactly
Remember the deflated football
Saga
Brady was well aware of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
I watched till just after HT thinking this is done, couldn't believe it when I woke up, can someone elaborate on the messed up playcalls by the Falcons? thanks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 06, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
I watched till just after HT thinking this is done, couldn't believe it when I woke up, can someone elaborate on the messed up playcalls by the Falcons? thanks

Jones made a great play to get them to the 22 yard line with a couple of minutes left, and instead of playing conservatively and ensuring they held field position, they go to pass play, Ryan doesn't get rid of the ball and they take a sack to lose 12 yards. Then a penalty right after. A field goal there and then and its 31-20.

Also, how the hell do you end up with ZERO time outs when you get the ball with 50 seconds left to try to get to field goal position and you've been well ahead most of the game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: redhandofgod on February 06, 2017, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on February 06, 2017, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on February 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Why are the Patriots disliked so much? Is it just the fact that they have won so much? Or am I missing something here?

They cheat.............a lot

Exactly

Winners WIN and losers they complain alot
Remember the deflated football
Saga
Brady was well aware of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 06, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on February 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Why are the Patriots disliked so much? Is it just the fact that they have won so much? Or am I missing something here?

That and the cheating.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 06, 2017, 01:18:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
I watched till just after HT thinking this is done, couldn't believe it when I woke up, can someone elaborate on the messed up playcalls by the Falcons? thanks

Jones made a great play to get them to the 22 yard line with a couple of minutes left, and instead of playing conservatively and ensuring they held field position, they go to pass play, Ryan doesn't get rid of the ball and they take a sack to lose 12 yards. Then a penalty right after. A field goal there and then and its 31-20.

Also, how the hell do you end up with ZERO time outs when you get the ball with 50 seconds left to try to get to field goal position and you've been well ahead most of the game?
Poor game management cost them BIG. This one will hurt for a long, long time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 06, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on February 06, 2017, 01:05:07 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: Up The Middle on February 06, 2017, 12:53:56 PM
Why are the Patriots disliked so much? Is it just the fact that they have won so much? Or am I missing something here?

They cheat.............a lot

Exactly
Remember the deflated football
Saga
Brady was well aware of it

He got rid of the evidence.

Also spygate a few years before and the usual hotel alarms going off at 3am.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:22:14 PM
Unreal game, but a couple of key, key moments.

1 - Brady came within a gnat's ass of throwing another pick when his hand was hit and the ball fluttered about 10 yards. It looked like another pick, and probably a pick six, but Bennett managed to snare it and get a first down out of it, that was huge.

2 - That unbelievable catch by Edelman, again, probably an interception was more likely, but Edelman somehow managed to keep his eyes on it, and keep it off the ground.

3 - The Falcons imploded on their last drive. They looked smooth moving back up the field after the Pats got it back to 8, and I was very impressed with Ryan's poise. That catch by Jones on the sideline deserved to win a superbowl on its own. But for Ryan to take a sack was criminal, and then for Jake Matthews to hold, pushing them out of field goal range was basically their last chance.

The Falcons D was absolutely out on its feet. It was fast, it was young, it was eager, and when it was getting pressure on Brady, he looked anything but the GOAT. The right guard, and especially the right tackle (Cannon?) were being beaten like drums. But the Patriots just kept on keeping on, and as the Falcons tired, and as the time of possession went more and more into the Patriots favour, the protection started to be better, and Brady then started throwing lasers. He made a throw to Kevin Hogan for a first down, probably on their own 25 or so, and it was unreal. In the circumstances there was absolutely no margin for error by the Pats, and to make that throw just took supreme guts, and that is why people call him the GOAT.

Coleman going out was a big blow for Atlanta, but to be honest the Patriots stopped the Falcons dominating on offense, not by any magical defensive game plan. They were hanging on by their fingernails at times. It's impossible to stop that offense completely, too many weapons, but they held the ball. They took a 7 minute drive to get their 1st Touchdown I believe, and everyone was saying it was taking too long, but the Pats were playing the long game, and they knew that if they could keep the Falcons O off the field, they might cool down (1 hour between plays either side of half time), and it would also wear down the defense.

I'm not a Patriots fan, far from it. And I love Joe Montana, but you just have to tip your cap to the Patriots. They are so unglamourous, but they are so efficient, and such competitors.

And to be honest I have to say I was delighted to see Goodell so sickened at the end. He couldn't get out of there fast enough.

So well done Pats, fantastic achievement, and roll on 2017/18 season. Go Cards!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
I watched till just after HT thinking this is done, couldn't believe it when I woke up, can someone elaborate on the messed up playcalls by the Falcons? thanks

Jones made a great play to get them to the 22 yard line with a couple of minutes left, and instead of playing conservatively and ensuring they held field position, they go to pass play, Ryan doesn't get rid of the ball and they take a sack to lose 12 yards. Then a penalty right after. A field goal there and then and its 31-20.

Also, how the hell do you end up with ZERO time outs when you get the ball with 50 seconds left to try to get to field goal position and you've been well ahead most of the game?

In fairness there, the last timeout was due to injury I think. An offensive tackle went down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: whitey on February 06, 2017, 01:51:50 PM
I have to say that watching the Patriots haters eating crow was the most satisfying part of the night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 06, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 06, 2017, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 06, 2017, 01:08:08 PM
I watched till just after HT thinking this is done, couldn't believe it when I woke up, can someone elaborate on the messed up playcalls by the Falcons? thanks

Jones made a great play to get them to the 22 yard line with a couple of minutes left, and instead of playing conservatively and ensuring they held field position, they go to pass play, Ryan doesn't get rid of the ball and they take a sack to lose 12 yards. Then a penalty right after. A field goal there and then and its 31-20.

Also, how the hell do you end up with ZERO time outs when you get the ball with 50 seconds left to try to get to field goal position and you've been well ahead most of the game?

In fairness there, the last timeout was due to injury I think. An offensive tackle went down.
One would have been the challenge on the Edelman catch too. They were praising the Falcons earlier in the game on the BBC for their philosophy of never playing safe on offence, always going for it regardless of the circumstance. Whatever about the Falcons, what the Patriots did was incredible and it was an unbelievable night's entertainment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 06, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Some of the play calling was awful without doubt, particularly the insistence on throwing the ball when up two scores resulting in the crucial fumble by Ryan.

That said take nothing away from the Patriots, some of their plays in the fourth quarter were unreal, particularly Edelman's catch.  They still had to win the game, its not like the Falcons coughed up scores to the Patriots D.

After the Seattle win a few years ago I thought the debate about Brady being the GOAT was over,  at least for me anyway, if it wasn't it sure is now. A truly remarkable performer in the modern era.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 04:16:31 PM
What price were Pats at HT?

Heard someone say they were 5/1? Short price to overcome such a deficit if true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 04:16:31 PM
What price were Pats at HT?

Heard someone say they were 5/1? Short price to overcome such a deficit if true

They where 9/2 when they went 21-0 down, I backed them at 9/4 when they went 14-0 down
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 04:31:06 PM
Ridiculously price but then shows that not many bookmakers were surprised Brady could come back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 06, 2017, 04:31:06 PM
Ridiculously price but then shows that not many bookmakers were surprised Brady could come back
m

Yeah I was expecting bigger than 9/2 so didn't bother
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2017, 04:53:15 PM
They were 11/1 at points in the 4th quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
lost the challenge on the edelman catch, that was the loss of the last time out.
Play calling as soon as the Falcons got to field goal territory was crazy. Surely using the clock as much as possible and controlling the ball would have been the risk management move?
Not taking a knee on the kick off was bizarre.
there were a few others.
I did laugh at all the NY fans bitching that the winning TD should not have been given as the knee was down...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2017, 07:20:41 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
lost the challenge on the edelman catch, that was the loss of the last time out.
Play calling as soon as the Falcons got to field goal territory was crazy. Surely using the clock as much as possible and controlling the ball would have been the risk management move?
Not taking a knee on the kick off was bizarre.
there were a few others.
I did laugh at all the NY fans bitching that the winning TD should not have been given as the knee was down...

I am astonished at what BB and Brady have done inn the free agency era, who knows, they might win another couple yet, Brady thinks he can go to he's about fifty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:22:14 PM


The Falcons D was absolutely out on its feet. It was fast, it was young, it was eager, and when it was getting pressure on Brady, he looked anything but the GOAT. The right guard, and especially the right tackle (Cannon?) were being beaten like drums.


It was Solder that was getting destroyed. Cannon had a great game. Completely negated Beasley.

What a game though. The 4th quarter catches by Jones and Edelman were worth staying up for by themselves.

Once the Pats won the toss for overtime you knew it was game over. The Falcons defence was reeling and completely spent by then. Couldn't generate a pass rush any more and Brady just carved them apart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:22:14 PM


The Falcons D was absolutely out on its feet. It was fast, it was young, it was eager, and when it was getting pressure on Brady, he looked anything but the GOAT. The right guard, and especially the right tackle (Cannon?) were being beaten like drums.


It was Solder that was getting destroyed. Cannon had a great game. Completely negated Beasley.

Solder got destroyed as well but Cannon gave up at least 2 sacks. He was a mess. Beasley rarely lined up over him. The lad that had 3 sacks got two from the right. In fact the first sack cannon actually brought down Brady as he fell into him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:46:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:22:14 PM


The Falcons D was absolutely out on its feet. It was fast, it was young, it was eager, and when it was getting pressure on Brady, he looked anything but the GOAT. The right guard, and especially the right tackle (Cannon?) were being beaten like drums.


It was Solder that was getting destroyed. Cannon had a great game. Completely negated Beasley.

Solder got destroyed as well but Cannon gave up at least 2 sacks. He was a mess. Beasley rarely lined up over him. The lad that had 3 sacks got two from the right. In fact the first sack cannon actually brought down Brady as he fell into him.

Couldn't have been Cannon. PFF gave him the highest grade of any player on the Pats offence.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article130960524.html (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article130960524.html)

I was also surprised as Cannon was terrible last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 06, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
How did James White not get MVP? I know it's almost always the QB, but still
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:46:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:22:14 PM


The Falcons D was absolutely out on its feet. It was fast, it was young, it was eager, and when it was getting pressure on Brady, he looked anything but the GOAT. The right guard, and especially the right tackle (Cannon?) were being beaten like drums.


It was Solder that was getting destroyed. Cannon had a great game. Completely negated Beasley.

Solder got destroyed as well but Cannon gave up at least 2 sacks. He was a mess. Beasley rarely lined up over him. The lad that had 3 sacks got two from the right. In fact the first sack cannon actually brought down Brady as he fell into him.

Couldn't have been Cannon. PFF gave him the highest grade of any player on the Pats offence.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article130960524.html (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article130960524.html)

I was also surprised as Cannon was terrible last season.

It was Mason that fell into Brady, but canon gave up the next sack. Whiffed on a block. The he gave up another and was in bother until the 4th quarter. I'll watch the all 22 back but that's what I thought looking at it anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 07:50:53 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:46:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 06, 2017, 07:38:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 01:22:14 PM


The Falcons D was absolutely out on its feet. It was fast, it was young, it was eager, and when it was getting pressure on Brady, he looked anything but the GOAT. The right guard, and especially the right tackle (Cannon?) were being beaten like drums.


It was Solder that was getting destroyed. Cannon had a great game. Completely negated Beasley.

Solder got destroyed as well but Cannon gave up at least 2 sacks. He was a mess. Beasley rarely lined up over him. The lad that had 3 sacks got two from the right. In fact the first sack cannon actually brought down Brady as he fell into him.

Couldn't have been Cannon. PFF gave him the highest grade of any player on the Pats offence.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article130960524.html (http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article130960524.html)

I was also surprised as Cannon was terrible last season.

It was Mason that fell into Brady, but canon gave up the next sack. Whiffed on a block. The he gave up another and was in bother until the 4th quarter. I'll watch the all 22 back but that's what I thought looking at it anyway.

If he was giving up sacks there is no way he would have been graded so high. He'd have gotten huge down marks for giving up pressures let alone sacks. I'm only going by their marking system though as only watched the game once.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2017, 08:07:24 PM
I'll take a look. I just checked that second sack again and it was definitely him who missed Jarrett, but he came off Beasley because the Falcons ran a stunt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 06, 2017, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 06, 2017, 07:00:52 PM
lost the challenge on the edelman catch, that was the loss of the last time out.
Play calling as soon as the Falcons got to field goal territory was crazy. Surely using the clock as much as possible and controlling the ball would have been the risk management move?
Not taking a knee on the kick off was bizarre.
there were a few others.
I did laugh at all the NY fans bitching that the winning TD should not have been given as the knee was down...

Brilliant by Edelman but am I right in saying the ball was held up by bouncing of the defenders shin so he got a second chance of catching it
If his leg wasnt there then incomplete
Those where the margins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 06, 2017, 09:08:10 PM
No, Edelman got his hands to it as it was about to hit the leg. From the first replay on the extended highlights you can see that the thing touches nothing but edelman's hands. It's not like Kearse two years ago.

The second grab at it was simply stunning. The thing was an inch off the turf!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 06, 2017, 09:09:42 PM
Scratch that, have seen another view where it does got the leg. He got his hand in underneath first though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 07, 2017, 09:32:24 AM
Hitting the leg bought him the split second he needed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 07, 2017, 10:25:41 PM
Incredible Cavs-Wizards game last night featuring some unreal stuff down the stretch from LeBron.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 08, 2017, 03:38:15 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 07, 2017, 10:25:41 PM
Incredible Cavs-Wizards game last night featuring some unreal stuff down the stretch from LeBron.

Have you ever sat through a regular season NBA game? The players don't give a fiddlers fart and the fans are worse.

College basketball is tremendous, a far better product, the NBA is a show until,the playoffs, that said March Madness blows the NBA playoffs out of the water.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 09, 2017, 03:56:55 PM
The Charles Oakley and Knicks stuff is comical and incredible at the same time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 09, 2017, 04:07:38 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 09, 2017, 03:56:55 PM
The Charles Oakley and Knicks stuff is comical and incredible at the same time.

It's a bit sad to see an old player getting shoved out like that. Oakley is adamant he didn't say anything, but Dolan is saying he was abusive. Dolan appears, on other occasions, to be a bit of a dick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
Dolan is a twat and the Knicks are as big a mess as ever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 09, 2017, 07:17:45 PM
Its rather sad, the perennial dysfunction of the Knicks. The Jackson hire has been an utter failure, as was the Isiah Thomas one before him.

The only decent general manager they've had in recent years was Donnie Walsh, and he basically got fed up with the bullshit.

Maybe its an NYC thing - after a few promising years after moving to Brooklyn, the Nets are a disaster too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2017, 07:47:23 PM
and the Islanders fiasco
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 09, 2017, 09:02:44 PM
As a hater of all noo yark teams all I can say is Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssss.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 10, 2017, 12:40:50 AM
How the Knicks, a horrible defensive team for the past fifteen years, could do with a man like Oakley. He was an absolute warrior, both with the Knicks and the Bulls.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 10, 2017, 02:08:18 AM
I was at that game last night, some of the crowd started chanting his name when they realised what was going on. I think most Knicks fans would take Oakley's style of tough defence over what the current lot serve up most nights.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 10, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
So much chat at the moment about them trading Melo and everyone completely overlooking the fact that nobody wants him.

The situation with Rose a few weeks back was just as big a farce.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 10, 2017, 02:32:02 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 10, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
So much chat at the moment about them trading Melo and everyone completely overlooking the fact that nobody wants him.

The situation with Rose a few weeks back was just as big a farce.

Everything I've read has made Melo look like the good guy. He's probably going to be better off if he can get away from the Knicks anyways. Still capable of being a big part of a championship calibur team so it'd be a pity if he doesn't get the ring his career deserves. He's not going to get it in NYC.

Jackson is coming off as an awful ****.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 10, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
HAsn't there been stories about Melo all throughout his career? Selfish, mouthy, shoot on sight. He tries to get his, and if the team wins that's a side benefit.

Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I've heard that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 10, 2017, 03:35:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
HAsn't there been stories about Melo all throughout his career? Selfish, mouthy, shoot on sight. He tries to get his, and if the team wins that's a side benefit.

Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I've heard that.

Yes - heard same about Melo and have seen examples of this online before but couldnt be assed looking for it.

Its a complete mess and if anyone had any sense they would be looking to get out asap.

Will be some time before anyone wins a ring there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 11, 2017, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 10, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
HAsn't there been stories about Melo all throughout his career? Selfish, mouthy, shoot on sight. He tries to get his, and if the team wins that's a side benefit.

Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I've heard that.

Melo has been a scapegoat in NY for almost the entire time he has been there, even while he has been heads and shoulders above everyone else on the team. Everything is always blamed on him, when its the dysfunction of the management of the team that is the real problem.

Yes, there are times when the team gets bogged down in isolation basketball, but he has tried to buy in to the triangle stuff and pass the ball a lot more under Jackson. Unfortunately, Porzingis aside, he has generally been surrounded by has-beens and never-will-bes.

I'd tell Jackson, the Knicks and NY to go  f**k themselves and go somewhere to try to win a championship before he finishes up if I was him.

He might get some appreciation in his absence from the loudmouth, obnoxious idiots who "support" the Knicks then (the same people who jeered and booed when Porzingis was selected in the draft).

I've been a pretty keen Knicks supporter for years, but the shit that's going this season has drained me. The Oakley stuff is the final straw. Talk about a classless, petty way to treat one of the best players in team history? And then to flippantly suggest in press releases that he get "mental help"?

f**k them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 11, 2017, 02:27:18 PM
Did he not play with the Nuggets as well? Anthony I mean? I'm pretty sure he was there for a rake of years and had the same knocks on him there, i.e not a team player, a me feiner who is more interested in padding his stats than winning a championship. I'm fairly sure that's why real contenders have never really gone near him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 11, 2017, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2017, 02:27:18 PM
Did he not play with the Nuggets as well? Anthony I mean? I'm pretty sure he was there for a rake of years and had the same knocks on him there, i.e not a team player, a me feiner who is more interested in padding his stats than winning a championship. I'm fairly sure that's why real contenders have never really gone near him.

More to do with the max contract in all likelihood. Clippers wanted him and they've a team that's very close to contention but they couldn't/can't find a third partner to make the trade work. Doc Rivers is one of the best coaches in the sport so if he thinks he can work with Melo that says a lot in itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 11, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
True. Maybe he's getting a bad rap, but I certainly remember stories like that about him. I don't follow the NBA too closely though, so it could be nonsense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 11, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2017, 02:36:06 PM
True. Maybe he's getting a bad rap, but I certainly remember stories like that about him. I don't follow the NBA too closely though, so it could be nonsense.

I read something the other day that if his team wins is secondary to him, after his stats line so I don't think it's nonsense
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 11, 2017, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2017, 02:27:18 PM
Did he not play with the Nuggets as well? Anthony I mean? I'm pretty sure he was there for a rake of years and had the same knocks on him there, i.e not a team player, a me feiner who is more interested in padding his stats than winning a championship. I'm fairly sure that's why real contenders have never really gone near him.

He is a naturally selfish player for sure, but that's probably because he has been far and away the best shooter in any team he's ever been in. Part if the problem is that the Knicks generally have only had him and one or two other half decent shooters, so the options have not really been there. One year they were decent when JR Smith was on form, but he blew a gasket in a playoff game against Jason Terry and never recovered (same week he was voted best 6th man in the league). It's up to the management to surround Melo with players and find a system that works. Like I said, he is an easy scapegoat for the Knicks horror show. I've no idea what Denver fans thought of him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 11, 2017, 11:11:52 PM
Melo's career deserves nowt. An elite scorer with no interest in playing defence whatsoever ever since he was drafted. No team that has any interest in contending has any business adding him. Cavs made the right move going for Korver. While he can still score, the game has moved beyond what Melo can offer. Compare him to KD and you can see just how far off the level he is.

He's been finished in NY for years and has happily hidden behind his no trade clause. Even without him the Knicks are a complete mess with Jackson in charge but Melo is no help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 09, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
Some start to NFL free agency, Texans basically gave Browns a 2nd round pick in 2018 to get rid of Osweiler, a salary dump NBA style
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 09, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 09, 2017, 09:15:09 PM
Some start to NFL free agency, Texans basically gave Browns a 2nd round pick in 2018 to get rid of Osweiler, a salary dump NBA style

Id say they are after Romo. Alshon  Jeffrey gone to Eagles. Cards get kicked Phil Dawson but looks like Calais Campbell is off to Jacksonville and Tony Jefferson to Baltimore.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 09, 2017, 11:38:43 PM
Cutler released by Bears :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 10, 2017, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on March 09, 2017, 11:38:43 PM
Cutler released by Bears :)

Jets I'd imagine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 10, 2017, 02:20:53 PM
John Elway is going to look like a bit of a lemon if he doesn't get his QB two years in a row because of the Texans. And the Texans have shown they're mad enough bastàrds  that they'll overpay.

But without a big ticket QB the Broncos will find it difficult to attract and retain the talent that makes you the Super Bowl contender Elway intends them to be this season and next.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 10, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
Yeah it's probably between them and Houston for Romo.

If I was Romo, I might be thinking that Jacksonville, Indianapolis and Tennessee is an easier path to the playoffs than Kansas, Oakland and the Chargers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
NCAA College Basketball's March Madness starts today.  Probably the top sports tournament in the world...agree or disagree? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 03:30:56 PM
Love it. Even the play in games the last two nights were excellent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 16, 2017, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 10, 2017, 02:23:53 PM
Yeah it's probably between them and Houston for Romo.

If I was Romo, I might be thinking that Jacksonville, Indianapolis and Tennessee is an easier path to the playoffs than Kansas, Oakland and the Chargers.

I agree and I think the Houston defence is better and younger than the Broncos. Houston could be very good with an above average QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
NCAA College Basketball's March Madness starts today.  Probably the top sports tournament in the world...agree or disagree?

Wouldn't make the top 100 for me. Rather watch world series tiddlywinks. Still better than rugby though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 16, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
NCAA College Basketball's March Madness starts today.  Probably the top sports tournament in the world...agree or disagree?

Wouldn't make the top 100 for me. Rather watch world series tiddlywinks. Still better than rugby though.

Ball hopper, you need to get out more, top flight rugby is tremendous, as for March Madness, absolutely brilliant theatre, among the best sporting event on the planet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 17, 2017, 12:31:25 AM
Quote from: stew on March 16, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on March 16, 2017, 10:09:04 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
NCAA College Basketball's March Madness starts today.  Probably the top sports tournament in the world...agree or disagree?

Wouldn't make the top 100 for me. Rather watch world series tiddlywinks. Still better than rugby though.

Ball hopper, you need to get out more, top flight rugby is tremendous, as for March Madness, absolutely brilliant theatre, among the best sporting event on the planet.

What brings you to that conclusion?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 27, 2017, 07:21:51 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - NFL owners just can't get enough money for themselves
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 27, 2017, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 27, 2017, 07:21:51 PM
Las Vegas Raiders - NFL owners just can't get enough money for themselves

Was there ever a team more suited to Las Vegas though?

How does this sit with their stance on gambling I wonder? Hypocrites.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 27, 2017, 08:15:19 PM
The more I've learnt about the NFL the more odeious it becomes. This relocation shïte makes the oil money takeovers in soccer look good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 27, 2017, 08:31:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 27, 2017, 08:15:19 PM
The more I've learnt about the NFL the more odeious it becomes. This relocation shïte makes the oil money takeovers in soccer look good.

If you do your research you will find it even more repugnant, especially under the former honcho  paul Tagligabue or whatever, anuything went and everything was swept under the carpet.

As for their demands to get a superbowl, they taught FIFA how to bankrupt cities.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 27, 2017, 08:40:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 27, 2017, 08:15:19 PM
The more I've learnt about the NFL the more odeious it becomes. This relocation shïte makes the oil money takeovers in soccer look good.

At least the oil companies fund it themselves, unlike the NFL billionaire owners that blackmail cities into financing a new stadium with public mone or else leave

Jerry Jones has been pushing this hard, I wonder why ??

http://deadspin.com/the-raiders-are-moving-to-las-vegas-and-it-stinks-1793682944?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
Aaron Hernandez found dead in prison. Took his own life.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on April 19, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
Aaron Hernandez found dead in prison. Took his own life.

Talk about having it all and flushing it down the toilet!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 12:03:18 PM
NBA playoffs up and running. #1 seed in the East Celtics down 0-2 to the Bulls. The sister of their best player (Isaiah Thomas) died in a car crash hours before Game 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 19, 2017, 04:23:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on April 19, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2017, 11:50:01 AM
Aaron Hernandez found dead in prison. Took his own life.

Talk about having it all and flushing it down the toilet!

Lawyer reckons he didnt take his own life.

Sad state of affairs all round
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: leenie on April 19, 2017, 05:09:42 PM
I was googling your man as I'd never heard of him, seems he had a regular pattern of shooting his friends.. but was only convicted of the one he killed..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 19, 2017, 05:17:52 PM
He was aquited of the double murder only last week. Strange.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on April 19, 2017, 05:35:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 12:03:18 PM
NBA playoffs up and running. #1 seed in the East Celtics down 0-2 to the Bulls. The sister of their best player (Isaiah Thomas) died in a car crash hours before Game 1.

watched game 1 the other night. Some effort from Thomas - he barely held it together but still managed to put up 33 points. I don't think i'd be in any fit state to play any sport 24 hours after a tragedy like that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 19, 2017, 05:47:19 PM
The Bulls have been very up and down all season but could be a dangerous outfit as they have some talented players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 19, 2017, 05:47:19 PM
The Bulls have been very up and down all season but could be a dangerous outfit as they have some talented players.

Nah, they're too reliant on Jimmy B. Still wouldn't rule out the Celtics but Cavs-Raptors in the eastern finals is likely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on April 19, 2017, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 19, 2017, 05:47:19 PM
The Bulls have been very up and down all season but could be a dangerous outfit as they have some talented players.

Nah, they're too reliant on Jimmy B. Still wouldn't rule out the Celtics but Cavs-Raptors in the eastern finals is likely.

Think last year was a freak and the strength is in the west. Warriors looking very strong now with Durrant back
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 21, 2017, 10:41:23 AM
Quote from: straightred on April 19, 2017, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2017, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 19, 2017, 05:47:19 PM
The Bulls have been very up and down all season but could be a dangerous outfit as they have some talented players.

Nah, they're too reliant on Jimmy B. Still wouldn't rule out the Celtics but Cavs-Raptors in the eastern finals is likely.

Think last year was a freak and the strength is in the west. Warriors looking very strong now with Durrant back

The Cavs win out last year through a combination of Curry being hurt for the playoffs and LeBron going absolutely superhuman.

He was immense last night, dragging the Cavs back from 26 points down to the Pacers. They're still shocking on defense though, went something like 23-23 to close out the regular season and could/should have lost games 1 and 3 in this series. I'd not put it past the Raptors to get past them but even if they do make the Finals, I can't see anyway they'd get past the Warriors or Spurs (or even the Rockets) again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 21, 2017, 12:41:11 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html

Because of an archaic Massachusetts law, dying in the process of appealing a conviction means it's vacated. Gives Hernandez' family a shot at his signing bonus money from the Patriots, and helps prevent civil suits against the family that could rely on the conviction as evidence. If the concussion study on his brain shows something then the NFL may be financially liable in some way too. His suicide makes a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 21, 2017, 11:31:10 PM
Cavs are mediocre right now, but may still hit their stride.  Few thought they'd outlast the Warriors last year.  On a football note, I see that the Browns will play the Vikings in London on Oct. 29.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 22, 2017, 12:06:25 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 21, 2017, 11:31:10 PM
Cavs are mediocre right now, but may still hit their stride.  Few thought they'd outlast the Warriors last year.  On a football note, I see that the Browns will play the Vikings in London on Oct. 29.

Yeah but the Warriors have Durant this year and LeBron can't pull out 16 games on his own on offence and do all the D as well.

The Hernandez case still beggars belief. I still can't wrap my head around the sheer arrogance of it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 24, 2017, 07:07:28 AM
Celtics back in it at 2-2 against the Bulls. Cavs closed out one of the tightest 4-0 sweeps you'll ever see against the Pacers, so an extra few days rest for LeBron.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 24, 2017, 03:30:44 PM
Hernandez

There is a rumor going around that there is an exposé about Hernandez due to be released in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: heganboy on April 24, 2017, 03:30:44 PM
Hernandez

There is a rumor going around that there is an exposé about Hernandez due to be released in the next few weeks.

"Rumours" about his sexuality
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 24, 2017, 03:34:34 PM
Draft coming up on Thursday. Myles Garrett the consensus number 1, but it's going to be interesting to see how the QBs go. Deep draft for running backs and defensive backs too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 24, 2017, 04:40:35 PM
Strong rumours over the weekend that the Browns are split on talking Trubisky and Garrett. They obviously believe the reports that the Niners are going QB at 2 and are worried Trubisky won't be there in the 7-12 range picks so some it seems want to pull the Trigger at 1 for Ohio boy Trubisky.
As a Bears fan I would be delighted with the Browns and Niners going for QB's as that would mean unbelievably Myles Garrett would fall to us at 3!!! :o :o :o
Personally I think the Browns take Garrett at 1 and the Niners take Solomon Thomas at 2 with nobody really knowing what the Bears will do at 3.
The most consistent thread lately for the Bears is taking one of Jamal Adams/Malik Hooker/Lattimore at 3 and trading back into the first around 24 or 26 and taking Kizer or Mahomes.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if Pace takes Watson at 3 and Obi Melonfonwu/Budda Baker at 36!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 24, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
I wonder where Fournette will go. Or Dalvin Cook.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 24, 2017, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 24, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
I wonder where Fournette will go. Or Dalvin Cook.

I think Fournette will go top 6, probably to the Jags or maybe the Panthers trade up to get him.
I think Cook will slide out of the 1st round as a lot of teams think he has durability and character issues.
Personally I think the Bucs should gamble and take Cook in the 1st as he would would be a great fit for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 25, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
Ted Thompson has had two of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game and apart from a few marquee signings he has been awful getting them free agency players that could put them over the top, he is a bit like Wegner in a way, he refuses to spend the house money and as a result holds the organization back, and the aforementioned quarterbacks never fulfilled their full potential.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 25, 2017, 02:25:50 PM
Quote from: stew on April 25, 2017, 12:28:36 PM
Ted Thompson has had two of the best quarterbacks ever to play the game and apart from a few marquee signings he has been awful getting them free agency players that could put them over the top, he is a bit like Wegner in a way, he refuses to spend the house money and as a result holds the organization back, and the aforementioned quarterbacks never fulfilled their full potential.

He has wiffed on first round picks as well stew like Datone Jones and Damarious Randall although Spriggs should turn into a good left tackle when he gets stronger.It is crazy to go from Favre (my favourite all time QB even though he torched my Bears time and again) to Rodgers and only have two Superbowls!! A cv like that would normally only get you the Bears GM job!! ;D
I think the pack should go all in to get Christian McCaffrey. He would be an instant star with Rodgers and that offensive line as he is like a super charged Matt Forte without the red zone weakness Forte had!! The draft is so deep with defensive talent that they really should give Rodgers a blue chip offensive weapon in the first!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 25, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
Don't think McCaffrey will still be there @ 29 for the Packers. I know what you are saying about Rodgers and the offense but they need help on that D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 28, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
Mitchell Trubisky come on down( just don't go down with Rex Grossman and Cade McNown!!) Well I didn't see that one coming!! Think the Niners fleeced us to move up.Well played John Lynch though.
P.S Stop laughing in the back there Stew and Minder  ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 28, 2017, 02:40:36 AM
Chiefs traded up for Pat Mahomes at QB with the tenth Pick. The Texans traded up with the Brown's at pick 12 to get quarterback Desean Watson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 28, 2017, 02:54:01 AM
The crowd booing Goodell every time he comes to the podium is fúcking hilarious.

Dunno what the Browns are at. Collecting picks when their roster is in a terrible state. Trubisky and Mahomes seem like serious reaches. The Chiefs were hardly even so desperate for QB that they needed to burn picks to move up and get an under-cooked prospect.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2017, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 28, 2017, 02:54:01 AM
The crowd booing Goodell every time he comes to the podium is fúcking hilarious.

Dunno what the Browns are at. Collecting picks when their roster is in a terrible state. Trubisky and Mahomes seem like serious reaches. The Chiefs were hardly even so desperate for QB that they needed to burn picks to move up and get an under-cooked prospect.

The Browns made significant improvements to their roster with those 3 first round picks, still don't know what they are for doing at QB though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 28, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 28, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
Mitchell Trubisky come on down( just don't go down with Rex Grossman and Cade McNown!!) Well I didn't see that one coming!! Think the Niners fleeced us to move up.Well played John Lynch though.
P.S Stop laughing in the back there Stew and Minder  ;D ;D

I'm not too surprised. In fairness I had some information from a friend of relative of Trubisky who thought the Bears were high on him and that he wanted to go to Chicago too. Despite being from Ohio he didn't want to go to the Browns (can't blame him really). It's a risky pick and the Bears got hosed by the 49ers but if he works out and turns into a good NFL QB then it's worth it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 28, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
He looks to me to be the most NFL friendly quarterback. Mahomes might end up being the best, but I think Trebiski looks the part.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 28, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 28, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
He looks to me to be the most NFL friendly quarterback. Mahomes might end up being the best, but I think Trebiski looks the part.

He was beat out by a undrafted free agent QB for two seasons at NC. The smoke and mirrors hype show around him coupled with his lack of starts reminds me very much of the Jets' reach for Sanchize a few years back.

Ironically Sanchez himself joined the Bears this off-season.. don't see the sense in reaching for Trubisky when you have a decent starter in Glennon and a decent back-up in Sanchez.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 28, 2017, 05:16:06 PM
Maybe so. I was watching some game of him though. He looks big, strong arm, throwing on the run etc. He can throw outs and he can throw deep. I don't think any of the QBs are NFL ready, but he looks to be the most NFL friendly. Cam and Wilson have evolved the position, but they still like the big strong QB who can stand in and throw an out or a deep ball. He can run a bit too, but I don't think you'd confuse him for Cam Newton...

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 28, 2017, 06:19:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2017, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 28, 2017, 02:54:01 AM
The crowd booing Goodell every time he comes to the podium is fúcking hilarious.

Dunno what the Browns are at. Collecting picks when their roster is in a terrible state. Trubisky and Mahomes seem like serious reaches. The Chiefs were hardly even so desperate for QB that they needed to burn picks to move up and get an under-cooked prospect.

The Browns made significant improvements to their roster with those 3 first round picks, still don't know what they are for doing at QB though

They should take a stab at Rodgers, if I was him I would want to get the hell out of green Bay as soon as possiblle because that useless f**ker Ted Thompson had TJ Watt sitting at 29 and traded the pick, the best player in the draft at that stage and used to playing in a pro type style and he gives up the pick, if you look at his picks over the past five years his record is pathetic, he needs to retire because Rodgers has a few years left at the top, they should go for broke at this stage but Teddy lacks the balls!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2017, 06:42:25 PM
Yeah stew I would say Rodgers was on the trading block
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 28, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 28, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 28, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
Mitchell Trubisky come on down( just don't go down with Rex Grossman and Cade McNown!!) Well I didn't see that one coming!! Think the Niners fleeced us to move up.Well played John Lynch though.
P.S Stop laughing in the back there Stew and Minder  ;D ;D

I'm not too surprised. In fairness I had some information from a friend of relative of Trubisky who thought the Bears were high on him and that he wanted to go to Chicago too. Despite being from Ohio he didn't want to go to the Browns (can't blame him really). It's a risky pick and the Bears got hosed by the 49ers but if he works out and turns into a good NFL QB then it's worth it.

Just read that Fox didn't know the Bears were going to draft Trubisky until a couple of hours before it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 28, 2017, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 28, 2017, 05:16:06 PM
Maybe so. I was watching some game of him though. He looks big, strong arm, throwing on the run etc. He can throw outs and he can throw deep. I don't think any of the QBs are NFL ready, but he looks to be the most NFL friendly. Cam and Wilson have evolved the position, but they still like the big strong QB who can stand in and throw an out or a deep ball. He can run a bit too, but I don't think you'd confuse him for Cam Newton...

He could end up being a decent player but the run on QBs this year was one of the weirdest - it looks like one of the weakest crops in a while yet three teams moved up and gave mini-ransoms for developmental prospects.

Honestly most excited about Watson because he lucked out and got picked by a stacked team, though with only Tom Savage in his way they'll probably have to start sooner than the rest. The Texans seem like a team that really were caught off-guard by Romo deciding to retire after what they paid to salary dump Oswiler. Having to pay the Browns another ransom to get a QB only rubs salt into the wound.

I like Watson's character and composure under pressure - those two national championship performances against near NFL worthy Tide defences stand out - so if he can develop he's on a team that can win Super Bowls in the coming years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on April 28, 2017, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2017, 06:42:25 PM
Yeah stew I would say Rodgers was on the trading block

Hardly, I never said he was funnily enough :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on April 29, 2017, 12:43:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 28, 2017, 07:36:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 28, 2017, 11:56:44 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on April 28, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
Mitchell Trubisky come on down( just don't go down with Rex Grossman and Cade McNown!!) Well I didn't see that one coming!! Think the Niners fleeced us to move up.Well played John Lynch though.
P.S Stop laughing in the back there Stew and Minder  ;D ;D

I'm not too surprised. In fairness I had some information from a friend of relative of Trubisky who thought the Bears were high on him and that he wanted to go to Chicago too. Despite being from Ohio he didn't want to go to the Browns (can't blame him really). It's a risky pick and the Bears got hosed by the 49ers but if he works out and turns into a good NFL QB then it's worth it.

Just read that Fox didn't know the Bears were going to draft Trubisky until a couple of hours before it

If that is true Fox is a good actor!! https://youtu.be/f3Ssll6Kh9w
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2017, 11:10:27 AM
Joe Mixon & Pacman Jones on a night out  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 29, 2017, 12:29:27 PM
Par for the course with the Bengals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 29, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Good article on Simmon's website The Ringer about Mixon and the wider issue the NFL has with player violence.

https://theringer.com/2017-nfl-draft-joe-mixon-6ecab95fe5e8 (https://theringer.com/2017-nfl-draft-joe-mixon-6ecab95fe5e8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 30, 2017, 12:34:56 AM
Looks like a good draft for Packers by Thompson Stew
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 17, 2017, 10:49:14 AM
Some trouncing handed out by the Warriors last night, does anyone think they sweep the entire playoffs ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 17, 2017, 02:06:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 17, 2017, 10:49:14 AM
Some trouncing handed out by the Warriors last night, does anyone think they sweep the entire playoffs ?

No. Never been done and there's no way Lebron would let his name be linked to the first team to do it.

If they can get Leonard back, the Spurs would nick one or two and the Cavs could/should do the same.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 17, 2017, 02:16:21 PM
Also worth pointing out that the Celtics, with the one seed in the East this year, will have the first pick in this year's draft thanks to them reaping the benefits of a shambles of a trade the Nets made a few years ago for the ghosts of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 17, 2017, 05:25:22 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 17, 2017, 10:49:14 AM
Some trouncing handed out by the Warriors last night, does anyone think they sweep the entire playoffs ?

No chance, might sweep the Spurs but only because Leonard and to a lesser extent Parker are injured. Warriors have outscored the Spurs by 60 odd points since Leonard's injury, which is mad.

Cav's completely different kettle of fish. Lebron is the best player in the world and can win games on his own. Throw Irving, Love, Korver, Smith, Shupert and Thompson and you've got some depth there. Even with KD this year, I think the Warriors (if both teams are in the final) will be in for one hell of battle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
Anyone but the Warriors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 17, 2017, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
Anyone but the Warriors.

Why? Because they added Durant?

If anything, Cleveland's superteam building has been worse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 17, 2017, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
Anyone but the Warriors.

Why? Because they added Durant?

If anything, Cleveland's superteam building has been worse.

Any team that has LeBron can attract big talent. What Durant did to OKC shouldnt be rewarded.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 17, 2017, 10:33:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 17, 2017, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
Anyone but the Warriors.

Why? Because they added Durant?

If anything, Cleveland's superteam building has been worse.

Any team that has LeBron can attract big talent. What Durant did to OKC shouldnt be rewarded.

Bullshit!

KD owed them nothing, absolutely nothing, they did not do enough to keep him nor attract top talent, that said Oklahoma is a desperate state, very poor in many places and not at all attractive to mega millionaires that throw a ball into a hoop for a living.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 11:29:12 PM
Durant had this season's MVP and a fellow Top 5 player in the league with him in OKC. Even earlier he had Harden too on top of that. No one can make the case management didn't build a championship caliber team for Durant, he just never got it done. OKC have some of the best crowds in the NBA and the players are treated like royalty in the locality.

Now he's coasting along with the team that was already the second best on the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 20, 2017, 02:36:37 AM
A massacre in Boston! 72-31 half time to Cavs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 22, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 20, 2017, 02:36:37 AM
A massacre in Boston! 72-31 half time to Cavs

How did they win last night?!!

LBJ just have a bad game or what?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 22, 2017, 11:11:16 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 22, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 20, 2017, 02:36:37 AM
A massacre in Boston! 72-31 half time to Cavs

How did they win last night?!!

LBJ just have a bad game or what?

Lebron was awful in the second half but the Celtics dug themselves out of a big home and deserve credit.

The game winning shot was laughable - Cleveland inexplicably collapsed and left Bradley open. The shot bounced around the rim about five times before dropping by they all count!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on May 23, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 22, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 20, 2017, 02:36:37 AM
A massacre in Boston! 72-31 half time to Cavs

How did they win last night?!!

LBJ just have a bad game or what?

Took the night off, it happens in the nba
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 24, 2017, 07:26:08 AM
Normal service resumed in the East, although surprisingly in spite of Lebron rather than because of him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 24, 2017, 08:15:42 AM
Quote from: stew on May 23, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 22, 2017, 07:59:31 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on May 20, 2017, 02:36:37 AM
A massacre in Boston! 72-31 half time to Cavs

How did they win last night?!!

LBJ just have a bad game or what?

Took the night off, it happens in the nba

Not in the playoffs it doesent
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on May 24, 2017, 10:20:53 AM
LBJ tried his best to lose the game.

When on form one of the best to ever play the game. When not on form he must be a complete nightmare to play with and his place on the court has to be questioned
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 24, 2017, 10:47:39 AM
He was very chippy last night. I love him but his missed dunk was absolutely glorious.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 10:50:12 AM
And people compare this guy to he greatest?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 24, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 24, 2017, 10:50:12 AM
And people compare this guy to he greatest?

Perfectly valid comparison. He probably won't eclipse MJ but he's absolutely incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
Finals start tonight. Either the Cavs in an all time classic seven gamer, with Lebron reaching what, in hindsight, will be seen as the absolute pinnacle of his career (even more so than last year) or the Warriors in five.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on June 01, 2017, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
Finals start tonight. Either the Cavs in an all time classic seven gamer, with Lebron reaching what, in hindsight, will be seen as the absolute pinnacle of his career (even more so than last year) or the Warriors in five.

Think GS will be too strong and might even do it 5. I see the format is HHaaHaH now - used to be HHaaaHH. Not sure what difference that makes though. The times are a pain in the a**e. 2am is both too late and too early if you know what i mean.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 01, 2017, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 01, 2017, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
Finals start tonight. Either the Cavs in an all time classic seven gamer, with Lebron reaching what, in hindsight, will be seen as the absolute pinnacle of his career (even more so than last year) or the Warriors in five.

Think GS will be too strong and might even do it 5. I see the format is HHaaHaH now - used to be HHaaaHH. Not sure what difference that makes though. The times are a pain in the a**e. 2am is both too late and too early if you know what i mean.

Amazing to think LeBron is the underdog here. He might be the most gifted basketball player of all time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 01, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
Think this might come down to Klay v Love and who outscores each other. Think KD & Curry v LBJ & Irving will even itself out.

Klay has been very quiet so far in the play offs, hopefully he steps it up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 08:31:30 PM
Klay has been quiet in part because it's all been so easy for GSW with no injury worries. I think he has one absolute eruption of a game still in him this year. Love is also playing what is certainly the best basketball of his Cleveland career and possibly of his whole career.

Think it may well come down to the bench to be honest, and Cleveland's is probably that little bit more reliable. Not necessarily better, but more reliable. I wouldn't want to be counting on JaVale f**king Magee to hold things together for a few minutes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 01, 2017, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 08:31:30 PM
Klay has been quiet in part because it's all been so easy for GSW with no injury worries. I think he has one absolute eruption of a game still in him this year. Love is also playing what is certainly the best basketball of his Cleveland career and possibly of his whole career.

Think it may well come down to the bench to be honest, and Cleveland's is probably that little bit more reliable. Not necessarily better, but more reliable. I wouldn't want to be counting on JaVale f**king Magee to hold things together for a few minutes.

I kinda like him and think he's had a decent season...brings something different to the plate and fits in very well to the passing/assists game (in that he is usually on the end of an assist) the Warriors play
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on June 01, 2017, 10:31:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 01, 2017, 07:51:14 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 01, 2017, 07:35:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 07:11:41 PM
Finals start tonight. Either the Cavs in an all time classic seven gamer, with Lebron reaching what, in hindsight, will be seen as the absolute pinnacle of his career (even more so than last year) or the Warriors in five.

Think GS will be too strong and might even do it 5. I see the format is HHaaHaH now - used to be HHaaaHH. Not sure what difference that makes though. The times are a pain in the a**e. 2am is both too late and too early if you know what i mean.

Amazing to think LeBron is the underdog here. He might be the most gifted basketball player of all time.

not really - GS are really good. LBJ has a good supporting cast but not as good as what GS have around curry and durrant. Even LBJ has to sit out some minutes in each match. He can't do it all on his on. No harm if GS wins -  LBJ probably needs to be taken down a peg or 2
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2017, 11:10:24 PM
Lebron will play 46 minutes every night I imagine.

Don't think he needs taken down a peg or two at all to be honest. Comes across very well these days and has done for years. The Decision was a long time ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 02, 2017, 12:01:15 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 01, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
Think this might come down to Klay v Love and who outscores each other. Think KD & Curry v LBJ & Irving will even itself out.

Klay has been very quiet so far in the play offs, hopefully he steps it up

Klay has been very good on defense this play-offs and he will have a big game or two on the offensive end.
Mr Green will be very interesting in this series, he sets the tone for the team.

Lots of motivational material for both teams, Halloween and Christmas party posters/cookies, "I want to DESTROY them" interview. All will lead to a fun series. The playoffs have been a complete bust with these teams going 24-1 against the field so far. Would love to see the Warriors in 4, but think this will go to 6.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 02, 2017, 12:14:36 AM
Hoping for a great series and I'm sure the NBA are hoping the same after a poor playoff overall.
Hoping Lebron can do it but i feel Warriors just may have one star to many for them.  Its going to take someone like Shumpert or shoot on site JR Smith to step up for the Cavs to succed along with James and Irving
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 02, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
If Cavs win does that put LBJ above Jordan?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 02, 2017, 12:21:33 AM
People say Jordon always had a great team along with him.  Last year and this year you couldn't really say that about James although the team he had in Miami was tasty.
Personally i would say yes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 02, 2017, 12:26:18 AM
MJ was a two way player, even winning defensive player of the year once. 6 rings, 6 Finals MVPs, 5x MVP. I love Lebron but he has a way to go yet.

As for Lebron's Cleveland team, there are two other likely hall of fame players on it. It's not too shabby.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 02, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 02, 2017, 12:21:33 AM
People say Jordon always had a great team along with him.  Last year and this year you couldn't really say that about James although the team he had in Miami was tasty.
Personally i would say yes
Was listening to a guy on the radio earlier and he said the same that if LeBron did it this year against a superior team then he'd put him ahead of Jordan who had Scottie, Rodman, Kukoc etc. around him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 02, 2017, 12:29:36 AM
Warriors were destroyed on the boards last year once bogut got hurt , durant green and Magee provide the rebounding and also the length to influence shots ,curry was hurt and shot poorly last year and was roughed up in finals that won't happen again , dubs in 5/6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 02, 2017, 12:40:37 AM
With the comeback and, justifiable, euphoria over a Cleveland championship and Lebron being the one to win it, people have definitely overlooked the fact that Curry was nowhere near 100% last year. He and KD have really clicked the key month and Curry is having the best postseason of his career. Mind you, Kyrie is pretty spectacular at the minute too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2017, 02:20:53 AM


Quote from: Tony Baloney on June 02, 2017, 12:17:29 AM
If Cavs win does that put LBJ above Jordan?
Jordan elevated the sport I don't see anyone in my lifetime going above him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on June 02, 2017, 03:24:07 AM
Cavs no answer for Durant first half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 02, 2017, 04:09:34 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on June 02, 2017, 03:24:07 AM
Cavs no answer for Durant first half.

And Curry picks it up in the 3rd!

Won't be crowing til they have 4 wins though after last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 02, 2017, 07:02:38 AM
A poor start from Cleveland. Really sloppy defense and turnovers all over the place. You just can't give a team with shooters as good as GSW that much time and space.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 02, 2017, 09:08:29 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 02, 2017, 12:26:18 AM
MJ was a two way player, even winning defensive player of the year once. 6 rings, 6 Finals MVPs, 5x MVP. I love Lebron but he has a way to go yet.

As for Lebron's Cleveland team, there are two other likely hall of fame players on it. It's not too shabby.

Yeah I would agree & the game was totally different when Jordan was playing, much more physical. Also Jordan had a fair few role players throughout his teams, Pippen obviously one of the greats, Kukoc was decent but nothing special.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 05, 2017, 08:15:30 AM
This could be over in 4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 05, 2017, 12:00:19 PM
Warriors were very sloppy last night and still ran out easy winners. Doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 05, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 05, 2017, 12:00:19 PM
Warriors were very sloppy last night and still ran out easy winners. Doesn't bode well.

And looks like Klay Thompson is heating up too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2017, 06:59:23 AM
Lebron and Kyrie combine for 77 and still lose...hard to see away back for the cav's now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 08, 2017, 08:55:01 AM
They should have had that one. GSW scored the last 11 points. Genuinely didn't think it was possible to go 4-4-4-4 but I don't see any way the Cavs can nick one from them at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 09, 2017, 01:31:59 AM
Not sure what the Cav's can do to win one. Last night the Warriors were excellent and when the Cav's tried to get on top of the hot player someone else got hot. Klay in the 1st, Curry mid game and KD in the 4th. Curry's rebounding last night was unreal for a PG, 13 in all and I believe about 5 offensive rebounds which turned into 7 points. LBJ and Kyrie are getting no help from the other players.
KD will will the Finals MVP but I really think Curry has been more consistent in his best finals, last night he was one assist from a triple double after a triple double in Gm2.
These finals have been a bust, the Warriors look like they will dominate for the next few years unless another contender gets much stronger. In the east the Cav's need to add a star to make it interesting. In the West the only team strong enough is the Spurs, but in a 7 game series I don't think that would win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 09, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
Durant gives so many match up problems, a 7 footer that can run the floor and shoot a 3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 09, 2017, 11:07:06 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 09, 2017, 09:29:46 AM
Durant gives so many match up problems, a 7 footer that can run the floor and shoot a 3.

Has also been really, really good on D this postseason too. He's outstanding
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on June 10, 2017, 04:45:09 AM
Is anyone watching this... Cleveland playing out of their skins 19 up with 7 minutes to go. Is it their dying kick. They are blowing out all the scoring records.. Can they do it again?
Nahhh... Nothing going in for the Warriors tonight... just want to bring it home to Oakland to do it in front of their fans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on June 10, 2017, 05:02:19 AM
The way Kyrie is playing tonight ...maybe the world really is flat.😜
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 10, 2017, 05:23:05 AM
Crazy game... Cavs hit over 50% on3's...broke records galore!

Definite off night for the Dubs...after last year its squeaky bum timel
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 10, 2017, 09:27:42 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 10, 2017, 05:23:05 AM
Crazy game... Cavs hit over 50% on3's...broke records galore!

Definite off night for the Dubs...after last year its squeaky bum timel

Don't see how they don't pick up another win. Especially with 2 games at home (obviously the second home game is Game 7 so it will be squeaky bum time then)

Cavs 20/1 before last nights game - 9/1 now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on June 10, 2017, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 10, 2017, 05:23:05 AM
Crazy game... Cavs hit over 50% on3's...broke records galore!

Definite off night for the Dubs...after last year its squeaky bum timel

dont think so - impressive as it was i think it was one of those nights were everything dropped. GS will close this out on Monday by 10+
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on June 10, 2017, 01:30:11 PM
Quote from: straightred on June 10, 2017, 10:37:26 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 10, 2017, 05:23:05 AM
Crazy game... Cavs hit over 50% on3's...broke records galore!

Definite off night for the Dubs...after last year its squeaky bum timel

dont think so - impressive as it was i think it was one of those nights were everything dropped. GS will close this out on Monday by 10+

I think this Golden State team is one of the finest to ever play the game, they will close this out next time out!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 13, 2017, 04:56:50 AM
Warnors in 5... Just too much for the Cavs tonight even though Lebron was superb again.

KD unbelievable throughout the playoffs and deserved MVP...even though it hasn't been announced yet!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on June 13, 2017, 05:59:35 AM
Yep the World is back on it's axis and the Warriors won it out comfortably. Do you think I could make a few bob reselling those Dubs shirts in Croke Park this September. Now if only I could get Steph Curry KD and Lebron to move to Armagh we might eliminate a management crisis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 13, 2017, 10:20:41 AM
Decent game to wrap up an otherwise awful playoffs. The two of them with a combined play-off record of 29-6. GSW just leagues ahead of everyone, fully deserving champs. Lebron should have been MVP though, just like in 2015!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 26, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
Heard Vincent Hogan on off the ball yesterday saying that nfl owners won't give Kaepernick a job because of the stance he took in kneeling during the national anthem. Hogan said it seems that it's OK to be a criminal or wife beater in the nfl as long as you don't take a stand on racism. I would have thought that Kaepernick would be lucky to get a job in the nfl regardless and that if he was still the player he was a few years ago they'd be queueing up. I don't doubt that his stance pissed off right wing nfl owners but if they thought he still had something, it wouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 10:25:33 AM
I think Vincent Hogan is talking out his arse. I'm sure that stance pissed off a few of the owners, but if you think every NFL owner is going to sacrifice a chance at winning because of that, you're mad. If Kaepernick could help a team, he'd be on a team. I think he'll still land somewhere.

That said, he has a point about the disciplinary process in the NFL. Goodell seems to be swayed by popular opinion and reacts. Thus Ray Rice only got banned when the video came out, even though the NFL knew what had happened.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 26, 2017, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on June 26, 2017, 10:25:33 AM
I think Vincent Hogan is talking out his arse. I'm sure that stance pissed off a few of the owners, but if you think every NFL owner is going to sacrifice a chance at winning because of that, you're mad. If Kaepernick could help a team, he'd be on a team. I think he'll still land somewhere.

That said, he has a point about the disciplinary process in the NFL. Goodell seems to be swayed by popular opinion and reacts. Thus Ray Rice only got banned when the video came out, even though the NFL knew what had happened.

And Josh Brown the Giants kicker, that assaulted his wife
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 12:02:44 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 26, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
Heard Vincent Hogan on off the ball yesterday saying that nfl owners won't give Kaepernick a job because of the stance he took in kneeling during the national anthem. Hogan said it seems that it's OK to be a criminal or wife beater in the nfl as long as you don't take a stand on racism. I would have thought that Kaepernick would be lucky to get a job in the nfl regardless and that if he was still the player he was a few years ago they'd be queueing up. I don't doubt that his stance pissed off right wing nfl owners but if they thought he still had something, it wouldn't be an issue.

He has a passer rating over 90 last season, on a terrible team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 27, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 27, 2017, 12:02:44 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 26, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
Heard Vincent Hogan on off the ball yesterday saying that nfl owners won't give Kaepernick a job because of the stance he took in kneeling during the national anthem. Hogan said it seems that it's OK to be a criminal or wife beater in the nfl as long as you don't take a stand on racism. I would have thought that Kaepernick would be lucky to get a job in the nfl regardless and that if he was still the player he was a few years ago they'd be queueing up. I don't doubt that his stance pissed off right wing nfl owners but if they thought he still had something, it wouldn't be an issue.

He has a passer rating over 90 last season, on a terrible team.

With a vastly reduced playbook, about as simple as you will get. He just isn't accurate enough but you would think he will land somewhere
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on July 21, 2017, 11:30:15 PM
So, word has it that Kylie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him.  Just Brilliant!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 21, 2017, 11:38:42 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on July 21, 2017, 11:30:15 PM
So, word has it that Kylie Irving has asked the Cavs to trade him.  Just Brilliant!

Yeah doesent want to play with Le Bron
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 21, 2017, 11:40:25 PM
Yeah, pretty big news. He'd be forfeiting money to make it happen to.

LeBron by all accounts not going to do much to try and convince him to stay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on July 23, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 26, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
Heard Vincent Hogan on off the ball yesterday saying that nfl owners won't give Kaepernick a job because of the stance he took in kneeling during the national anthem. Hogan said it seems that it's OK to be a criminal or wife beater in the nfl as long as you don't take a stand on racism. I would have thought that Kaepernick would be lucky to get a job in the nfl regardless and that if he was still the player he was a few years ago they'd be queueing up. I don't doubt that his stance pissed off right wing nfl owners but if they thought he still had something, it wouldn't be an issue.

He is shit, useless, washed up, that is why he has no job but feel free to blame the right wing owners! Who are these right wing owners who are pissed off and what does him not getting a job say about the left wing owners? Are there left wing owners? Gobshite!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on July 24, 2017, 08:00:08 AM
Quote from: stew on July 23, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on June 26, 2017, 10:19:26 AM
Heard Vincent Hogan on off the ball yesterday saying that nfl owners won't give Kaepernick a job because of the stance he took in kneeling during the national anthem. Hogan said it seems that it's OK to be a criminal or wife beater in the nfl as long as you don't take a stand on racism. I would have thought that Kaepernick would be lucky to get a job in the nfl regardless and that if he was still the player he was a few years ago they'd be queueing up. I don't doubt that his stance pissed off right wing nfl owners but if they thought he still had something, it wouldn't be an issue.

He is shit, useless, washed up, that is why he has no job but feel free to blame the right wing owners! Who are these right wing owners who are pissed off and what does him not getting a job say about the left wing owners? Are there left wing owners? Gobshite!

I agree. I think Hogan is wrong here. If Kaepernick was good enough he'd be on a team. You can argue that he'd be better than some backups but hard to say he should be starting anywhere. He will get picked up at some point but I'd say it's that coaches are wary of him and the additional publicity moreso than owners. I don't think the owners care one bit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 25, 2017, 02:03:10 AM
Derrick Rose joins Cleveland Cavaliers for one year at the minimum wage for a league veteran, which is $2.1 million.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 25, 2017, 07:49:43 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 25, 2017, 02:03:10 AM
Derrick Rose joins Cleveland Cavaliers for one year at the minimum wage for a league veteran, which is $2.1 million.

He might actually be alright for them until he inevitably breaks down again after a few months. Probably the biggest case of lost talent in the league over the last ten years.

Are his legal troubles behind him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 27, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
Quote@AdamSchefter 11 minutes ago

Ravens' OL John Urschel turned 26 years old in June, and now he is retiring from the NFL. Feels like a trend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on July 28, 2017, 07:49:01 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 27, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
Quote@AdamSchefter 11 minutes ago

Ravens' OL John Urschel turned 26 years old in June, and now he is retiring from the NFL. Feels like a trend.

Good for him, Brett Favre two years after he retired complained about memory loss, these young men are starting to play for five years or so and get out before they are crippled or worse, they set themselves up for life and becone family men, they play the game on their terms and get out, the NFL will hate this but screw them, its not as if they give a shite about their players now or ever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 23, 2017, 01:30:57 AM
Apparently, the Cavs have traded Kylie Irving to the Celtics for Isaiah Thomas.  Thomas's lingering hip injury has to be a real concern.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 30, 2017, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.

Doing a last man standing contest...am considering picking every road game against the Browns.  Would that get me 8 guarantees?

Could adding the 49ers and Jets road games to the mix  present a winning strategy maybe?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 30, 2017, 07:58:31 PM
The Jets look to be in far worse shape than the Browns. Haden has been plagued with injuries the last two years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 30, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
Jets look chronic, I thought Browns were looking reasonable?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 10:25:28 PM
Even I think the Jets are in worse shape.  Haden has been injured, but he's the closest we had to a shut-down corner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on August 30, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.

Of course that clown GM for the Packers wont look at him because he would be a hit to the cap, TT it useless, the worst GM in Football! Bottom five anyhow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 31, 2017, 08:23:10 AM
I know there were a couple of games last weekend, but tonight is the real start of College Football season. hard to beat it. This Saturday sees #1 Alabama and #3 Florida State going at it immediately. Great stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 01, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 30, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.

Of course that clown GM for the Packers wont look at him because he would be a hit to the cap, TT it useless, the worst GM in Football! Bottom five anyhow.

With such a bad GM and Head Coach it's simply amazing the Packers win any games at all.  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 01, 2017, 08:24:58 PM
NFL Pre-Season Champions: The Cleveland Browns.    Ah, well . . . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 02, 2017, 02:11:22 AM
Soccer:  USA 0 Costa Rica 2. 

All to play for away to Honduras next week.  Win there and third place qualifier should be safe (which assumes wins in the last two games v Panama at home and Trinidad & Tobago away).

Mexico and Costa Rica will also qualify for Russia, with the fourth placed team (likely Honduras or Panama) to play off with Asia fourth (could be Australia or Syria or Uzbekistan).

'Tis nearly too much to take...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 02, 2017, 11:38:44 PM
College ball really starting to rival Nfl for me. This Michigan v Florida a good game (go blue) but also looking forward to bama v Florida st
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 03, 2017, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 01, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 30, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.

Of course that clown GM for the Packers wont look at him because he would be a hit to the cap, TT it useless, the worst GM in Football! Bottom five anyhow.

With such a bad GM and Head Coach it's simply amazing the Packers win any games at all.  ::)

Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers?

If you think Thompson is a good GM you know damn all about American football, he is below average at best.

As for the head coach, he is too conservative when it matters, predictable and he, like Thompson hurts the packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 02, 2017, 11:38:44 PM
College ball really starting to rival Nfl for me. This Michigan v Florida a good game (go blue) but also looking forward to bama v Florida st

College is lower quality but a better all round experience in my opinion, even on telly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 03, 2017, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 02, 2017, 11:38:44 PM
College ball really starting to rival Nfl for me. This Michigan v Florida a good game (go blue) but also looking forward to bama v Florida st

College is lower quality but a better all round experience in my opinion, even on telly.

I agree lower quality but not to its detriment, more turnovers and better plays made. I love the unpredictable aspect of it all. Although God knows why they have rankings on week one, surely week 3/4 should be 1st announcement of any rankings
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 03, 2017, 01:14:18 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 03, 2017, 12:47:34 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 03, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on September 02, 2017, 11:38:44 PM
College ball really starting to rival Nfl for me. This Michigan v Florida a good game (go blue) but also looking forward to bama v Florida st

College is lower quality but a better all round experience in my opinion, even on telly.

I agree lower quality but not to its detriment, more turnovers and better plays made. I love the unpredictable aspect of it all. Although God knows why they have rankings on week one, surely week 3/4 should be 1st announcement of any rankings

This are informal rankings and have nothing to do with the actual ones what decide who gets into the play-offs.

EDIT: Bama are such a machine. They're doing what Dublin are here but with plenty of other 800 lb gorillas around. FSU brushed aside and only a weekend of the season done. #1 is theirs to lose this season, as usual.

Auburn get their chance to make a statement of their own next weekend going to Clemson, some place for Stidham to make his second start for the Tigers..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 03, 2017, 07:37:58 AM
I will always be a badgers fan first and foremost, that said I love Auburn, their history and the campus itself, I am a huge fan of Bo Jackson and his legacy with Auburn is forever cememnted in their history.

Alabama is a factory, the best team in the country bar none, Auburn will push them but Bama are on a different level to the rest, they are that good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 03, 2017, 11:54:38 AM
Saban is some pup. Every assistant coach he has is coveted by other teams. But every time he plays any of them, he beats them. 11-0 against former assistants now. Some record.

'Bama look awesome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 04, 2017, 08:40:53 AM
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2017, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 01, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 30, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.

Of course that clown GM for the Packers wont look at him because he would be a hit to the cap, TT it useless, the worst GM in Football! Bottom five anyhow.

With such a bad GM and Head Coach it's simply amazing the Packers win any games at all.  ::)

Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers?

If you think Thompson is a good GM you know damn all about American football, he is below average at best.

As for the head coach, he is too conservative when it matters, predictable and he, like Thompson hurts the packers.

Stew - I don't know enough to be strong one way or another but I would have thought the Packers were regarded as one of the better run outfits. Rodgers is of course amazing and I think McCarthy is vastly overrated by many as a coach alright but I would have heard the Packers are smart in free agency, keep their own talent and build through the draft. Is that not the case?

Some comeback by UCLA last night I hear.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 09:28:19 AM
College football is great.  My IPTV service streams NBC as well, so I got to see Notre Dame and Temple. Notre Dame have the potential to be a #10-#15 ranked team, big game v Georgia in South Bend next week. Alabama are a machine. Florida State's QB is done for the year with a Patella tendon injury that requires surgery, so that's a sickener for him and them. Their defence looked very good v 'Bama, but Alabama just did Alabama. Wore them down offensively, and punished mistakes.

The Big 10 had a big week 1, with Michigan beating Florida, albeit a load of suspensions for Florida helped, MAryland beating Texas in Texas. The SEC was so-so apart from Alabama, but the Eastern Division of the SEC could be very competitive. Tennessee play tonight against Georgia Tech. A&M lost, as Seanie said, to a fantastic comeback by UCLA and Josh Rosen, who might be on our draft boards next autumn if he comes out this year (He's a junior). Sam Darnold wasn't as impressive for USC as they scraped by Western Michigan, despite the scoreline looking fairly comfortable.

NExt weekend will be great. Auburn play Clemson at Death Valley, Oklahoma goes to the horseshoe to play Ohio State, Georgia in South Bend against Notre Dame and Stanford go to LA to play USC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 04, 2017, 10:35:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 04, 2017, 08:40:53 AM
Quote from: stew on September 03, 2017, 12:11:02 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 01, 2017, 08:57:16 AM
Quote from: stew on August 30, 2017, 10:35:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 30, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
Browns seem determined to finish last in NFL after cutting CB Joe Haden.  To make matters worse, Steelers appear to be the most eager to sign him.

Of course that clown GM for the Packers wont look at him because he would be a hit to the cap, TT it useless, the worst GM in Football! Bottom five anyhow.

With such a bad GM and Head Coach it's simply amazing the Packers win any games at all.  ::)

Ever heard of Aaron Rodgers?

If you think Thompson is a good GM you know damn all about American football, he is below average at best.

As for the head coach, he is too conservative when it matters, predictable and he, like Thompson hurts the packers.

Stew - I don't know enough to be strong one way or another but I would have thought the Packers were regarded as one of the better run outfits. Rodgers is of course amazing and I think McCarthy is vastly overrated by many as a coach alright but I would have heard the Packers are smart in free agency, keep their own talent and build through the draft. Is that not the case?

Some comeback by UCLA last night I hear.

The pack are unique in that they have no owner, rather, they are owned by the City Of Green Bay and have shareholders, I myself am one of those, the people own the Green Bay Packers and Thompson has has two of the best QB's ever to play the game and they have won two superbowls in the Favre/Rodgers era, that is a pitiful return.

Thompson never is able to pull the trigger on big name free agents, he refuses to pull the pin on players that put them over the top, Rodgers is getting up there and TT is doing very little to get Rodgers and the team the couple of top players out there to get the job done.

Here is the biggest factor in my distaste for Thompson, the Packers are also a non profit organization yet they show an end of year balance with millions in the plus column, they are buying up property all over the Lombardi Street area as well as land in Ashwaubenon but they cant sign free agents that will give tem a tremendous opportunity to win the ultimate prize in their sport!

The City is home to 105,000 residents, 75,000 go to the games, these people need parking spaces, currently they use what they can within the confines of the stadium, that is nowhere near enough, the rest believe it or not park on peoples lawns, the people closest to the stadium get $25.00 per car to park right down to $5.00 for the farthest away, it is a cottage industry some people rely on 13 or so times a year plus the odd concert or two, the Packers great plan? Destroy homes and replace them with parking spaces so they can jack up the revenue stream even though they are anon profit, in short Thompson is sacrificing titles for money, no wonder Favre hates the man to this day!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
What's the PAck Salary Cap figures Stew? Have the room to manouvre, or is keeping Rodgers costing them a real chance at signing free agents? Or are they blowing money on other free agents that are crap?

It's all fine and dandy to say they are running a profit and buying land, but unless they have cap room, they can have all the money they like, it wouldn't make a difference.

I do agree that 2 superbowls since the Bart Starr era is poor for Green Bay, given their position of dominance in that division, which means they are in the playoffs every year, and given the talent they've had at QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 04, 2017, 10:54:30 AM
Stew - Thompson is the GM of the football operations, Mark Murphy would be the man making decisions on revenue streams etc
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 11:05:50 AM
UCLA's comeback   Texas A&M absolutely imploded. Missed tackles and missed interceptions.  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2RbN3C1GoA%5B/url)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 04, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 09:28:19 AM


NExt weekend will be great. Auburn play Clemson at Death Valley, Oklahoma goes to the horseshoe to play Ohio State, Georgia in South Bend against Notre Dame and Stanford go to LA to play USC.

Think you forgot at Fresno State Alabama as well ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 04, 2017, 04:48:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 04, 2017, 09:28:19 AM


NExt weekend will be great. Auburn play Clemson at Death Valley, Oklahoma goes to the horseshoe to play Ohio State, Georgia in South Bend against Notre Dame and Stanford go to LA to play USC.

Think you forgot at Fresno State Alabama as well ;)

Silly me :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 05, 2017, 09:39:49 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 04, 2017, 10:54:30 AM
Stew - Thompson is the GM of the football operations, Mark Murphy would be the man making decisions on revenue streams etc

Mark Murphy is indeed the main man, that said Ted Thompson has been given the green light to sign top free agents and has nearly aslways failed to pull the pin, I think they were over 30 million shy of the cap figure last season, if you are a non profit how much sense does that make????

He signed a crocked Charles Woodson for penies on the dollar and he finally got healthy and was a legenday player fort them, that was in the nineties, the man is killing this franchise for the almight dollar, as is Murphy, its all about the land and it is sickening, especially for the non profits.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 05:06:42 AM
Chiefs absolutely torching the Patriots in Foxboro. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 08, 2017, 07:21:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 05:06:42 AM
Chiefs absolutely torching the Patriots in Foxboro. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

The Patriots will be fine, they are too good and jealousy is a bitch! )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 08, 2017, 08:30:20 AM
Quote from: stew on September 08, 2017, 07:21:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 05:06:42 AM
Chiefs absolutely torching the Patriots in Foxboro. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

The Patriots will be fine, they are too good and jealousy is a bitch! )

There's a fella who writes for the42.ie on the NFL and he is full of it. Was predicting the Patriots to go unbeaten (no one else was). Well done him. Always good to see the Patriots getting beaten. Balls musts have been the wrong pressure. Or maybe Tom was concussed?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 08, 2017, 10:30:30 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 05:06:42 AM
Chiefs absolutely torching the Patriots in Foxboro. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

Looking at the stats having not seen the game, it looks like the Pats never got the passing game going at all.  Gronk with only 33 yards. Edelman's injury certainly is a blow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 08, 2017, 10:33:19 AM
They had several passes to Brandin Cooks end up with pass Interference calls, so I don't think that's a major issue. I think it was more that they never really got their short passing game going. The Chiefs D looked good against the pass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 08, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
Did that player who "took a knee" during the National Anthem get a team or is he still persona non grata?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 08, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
Did that player who "took a knee" during the National Anthem get a team or is he still persona non grata?
Kaeppernick is still a free agent but what often gets lost in the worthy debate is just how useless he's been for a few years now. If Martin Luther King was still alive and could play the position well enough teams would be queueing up for him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 08, 2017, 01:53:46 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 08, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
Did that player who "took a knee" during the National Anthem get a team or is he still persona non grata?
Kaeppernick is still a free agent but what often gets lost in the worthy debate is just how useless he's been for a few years now. If Martin Luther King was still alive and could play the position well enough teams would be queueing up for him.

Bullshit excuse. There are worse QBs than Kap amongst the 32 starters and certainly amongst the 96 odd QB roster spots in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on September 08, 2017, 02:24:23 PM
Chiefs were impressive last night on both sides of the ball once they got settled. Kareem Hunt had some turn around after his first NFL play resulted in a fumble - something he hadn't done once time in 4 years at Toledo.
Expensive night for injuries though it looked like.

Ty Hill's high school 200m time would have finished 6th in the 2014 Olympics.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 02:42:37 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 08, 2017, 10:49:48 AM
Did that player who "took a knee" during the National Anthem get a team or is he still persona non grata?
Kaeppernick is still a free agent but what often gets lost in the worthy debate is just how useless he's been for a few years now. If Martin Luther King was still alive and could play the position well enough teams would be queueing up for him.

Can't believe anyone would try and make the case it's his performances that are the real reason he's not on a team. It's such insane whataboutry.

Josh McCown, DeShone Kizer, Scott Tolizen, Jared Goff, Tom Savage, Nathan Peterman, Brian Hoyer, Trevor Siemian and Blake Bortles will all start NFL games this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2017, 06:48:22 PM
This isn't Rodgers or Brady we are talking about. If he played like either of them he would be starting on a team. Team obviously obviously see his average play, being kind, as being not worth the extra hassle

I would imagine he would be an expensive back up, and as for your example of Jared Goff. He was a #1 pick last year, the Rams are hardly going to stop his development to go with someone Like Kaepernick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Not just his performances but he is awful. The likes of Hoyer, McCown and Simian have performed better than kaeppernick over the last few years. RG3 and Johnny Manziel don't have jobs either, 2 lads who performed at a similarly poor level to kap. With the injuries he has deteriorated from an exceptional athlete into an ordinary one which as a sub-par thrower makes him worthless at this level. Also his failure to vote in the presidential election suggests he's full of sh!te anyway. A right social justice warrior.
Super rich, conservative old white guys don't like overpaid, underperforming mixed race young guy protesting during the Anthem isn't a shock to me but kap not getting a job isn't some great injustice. The vast personal wealth of these nfl owners is more obscene and unjust than their racism which is mainly a generational thing. Economic injustice is the true modern social evil. Racism is a sideshow that is dying out anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Not just his performances but he is awful. The likes of Hoyer, McCown and Simian have performed better than kaeppernick over the last few years. RG3 and Johnny Manziel don't have jobs either, 2 lads who performed at a similarly poor level to kap. With the injuries he has deteriorated from an exceptional athlete into an ordinary one which as a sub-par thrower makes him worthless at this level. Also his failure to vote in the presidential election suggests he's full of sh!te anyway. A right social justice warrior.
Super rich, conservative old white guys don't like overpaid, underperforming mixed race young guy protesting during the Anthem isn't a shock to me but kap not getting a job isn't some great injustice. The vast personal wealth of these nfl owners is more obscene and unjust than their racism which is mainly a generational thing. Economic injustice is the true modern social evil. Racism is a sideshow that is dying out anyway.

Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer and Seimian are better than CK?  News to everyone but you - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=kN5WX
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 08, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Surely hes not on the rooster because he cost to much? The 49ers made a serious mistake keeping him over the guy now at the chiefs! Getting rid of the manager also put the 49ers into free fall
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on September 08, 2017, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 08, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Surely hes not on the rooster because he cost to much? The 49ers made a serious mistake keeping him over the guy now at the chiefs! Getting rid of the manager also put the 49ers into free fall
I was hoping the dolphins would take him over cutler when tannehill went down. i wonder how much the cuban thing was in miami's thinking and how much was playing ability. He would not have been a popular choice. Cutler will probably play great now and prove me wrong
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 08, 2017, 10:00:33 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 08, 2017, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 08, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
Surely hes not on the rooster because he cost to much? The 49ers made a serious mistake keeping him over the guy now at the chiefs! Getting rid of the manager also put the 49ers into free fall
I was hoping the dolphins would take him over cutler when tannehill went down. i wonder how much the cuban thing was in miami's thinking and how much was playing ability. He would not have been a popular choice. Cutler will probably play great now and prove me wrong

Cutler for his faults has an arm, look at the receivers Miami have, Landry & Parker. Kaepernick would be getting them the ball down the field. He operates with a very restricted playbook, it's all inside the numbers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 08, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Not just his performances but he is awful. The likes of Hoyer, McCown and Simian have performed better than kaeppernick over the last few years. RG3 and Johnny Manziel don't have jobs either, 2 lads who performed at a similarly poor level to kap. With the injuries he has deteriorated from an exceptional athlete into an ordinary one which as a sub-par thrower makes him worthless at this level. Also his failure to vote in the presidential election suggests he's full of sh!te anyway. A right social justice warrior.
Super rich, conservative old white guys don't like overpaid, underperforming mixed race young guy protesting during the Anthem isn't a shock to me but kap not getting a job isn't some great injustice. The vast personal wealth of these nfl owners is more obscene and unjust than their racism which is mainly a generational thing. Economic injustice is the true modern social evil. Racism is a sideshow that is dying out anyway.

Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer and Seimian are better than CK?  News to everyone but you - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=kN5WX
blaine gabbert took his job 2 years running that should tell u all u need to know about kap
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 08, 2017, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 08, 2017, 08:30:20 AM
Quote from: stew on September 08, 2017, 07:21:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 05:06:42 AM
Chiefs absolutely torching the Patriots in Foxboro. Couldn't happen to a nicer team.

The Patriots will be fine, they are too good and jealousy is a bitch! )

There's a fella who writes for the42.ie on the NFL and he is full of it. Was predicting the Patriots to go unbeaten (no one else was). Well done him. Always good to see the Patriots getting beaten. Balls musts have been the wrong pressure. Or maybe Tom was concussed?

No one goes unbeaten, go Pats!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 08, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
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Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Not just his performances but he is awful. The likes of Hoyer, McCown and Simian have performed better than kaeppernick over the last few years. RG3 and Johnny Manziel don't have jobs either, 2 lads who performed at a similarly poor level to kap. With the injuries he has deteriorated from an exceptional athlete into an ordinary one which as a sub-par thrower makes him worthless at this level. Also his failure to vote in the presidential election suggests he's full of sh!te anyway. A right social justice warrior.
Super rich, conservative old white guys don't like overpaid, underperforming mixed race young guy protesting during the Anthem isn't a shock to me but kap not getting a job isn't some great injustice. The vast personal wealth of these nfl owners is more obscene and unjust than their racism which is mainly a generational thing. Economic injustice is the true modern social evil. Racism is a sideshow that is dying out anyway.

Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer and Seimian are better than CK?  News to everyone but you - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=kN5WX
blaine gabbert took his job 2 years running that should tell u all u need to know about kap

You mean the guy he totally out-played last year coming off an injury?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 09, 2017, 01:39:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 10:37:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 08, 2017, 10:16:47 PM
O s.vbvxhnnmvx.A
Quote from: Syferus on September 08, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 08, 2017, 07:07:26 PM
Not just his performances but he is awful. The likes of Hoyer, McCown and Simian have performed better than kaeppernick over the last few years. RG3 and Johnny Manziel don't have jobs either, 2 lads who performed at a similarly poor level to kap. With the injuries he has deteriorated from an exceptional athlete into an ordinary one which as a sub-par thrower makes him worthless at this level. Also his failure to vote in the presidential election suggests he's full of sh!te anyway. A right social justice warrior.
Super rich, conservative old white guys don't like overpaid, underperforming mixed race young guy protesting during the Anthem isn't a shock to me but kap not getting a job isn't some great injustice. The vast personal wealth of these nfl owners is more obscene and unjust than their racism which is mainly a generational thing. Economic injustice is the true modern social evil. Racism is a sideshow that is dying out anyway.

Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer and Seimian are better than CK?  News to everyone but you - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=kN5WX
blaine gabbert took his job 2 years running that should tell u all u need to know about kap

You mean the guy he totally out-played last year coming off an injury?
hes shite and has been for 3 years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 09, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
For the likes of RG3, Kap, all the undrafted free agents and the hundreds of lads that get cut in pre-season, is there are a lower level/club level/minor league that they go and play instead for the season?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 09, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
For the likes of RG3, Kap, all the undrafted free agents and the hundreds of lads that get cut in pre-season, is there are a lower level/club level/minor league that they go and play instead for the season?

Canadian Football League is the closest. Used to have NFL Europe, and even the XFL in America, but as of now, if you're not on an NFL Roster, or on a Training Squad, you're on the street if you are in the States.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 09, 2017, 03:19:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
For the likes of RG3, Kap, all the undrafted free agents and the hundreds of lads that get cut in pre-season, is there are a lower level/club level/minor league that they go and play instead for the season?

Canadian Football League is the closest. Used to have NFL Europe, and even the XFL in America, but as of now, if you're not on an NFL Roster, or on a Training Squad, you're on the street if you are in the States.

or the Metz will pick you up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 09, 2017, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
For the likes of RG3, Kap, all the undrafted free agents and the hundreds of lads that get cut in pre-season, is there are a lower level/club level/minor league that they go and play instead for the season?

Canadian Football League is the closest. Used to have NFL Europe, and even the XFL in America, but as of now, if you're not on an NFL Roster, or on a Training Squad, you're on the street if you are in the States.

Some teams pick up the odd player from arena football, but most of the big name players' egos won't let them play at that level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 09, 2017, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 09, 2017, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2017, 10:23:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2017, 07:55:40 AM
For the likes of RG3, Kap, all the undrafted free agents and the hundreds of lads that get cut in pre-season, is there are a lower level/club level/minor league that they go and play instead for the season?

Canadian Football League is the closest. Used to have NFL Europe, and even the XFL in America, but as of now, if you're not on an NFL Roster, or on a Training Squad, you're on the street if you are in the States.


Some use former NFL trainers as personal trainers to get them over the top, in Green Bay there is a first class facility that caters for some of these guys, it is amazing that some of these guys can shave up to three tenths of a second over their forty time and that is enough to get them a spot on a roster.


Some teams pick up the odd player from arena football, but most of the big name players'' egos won't let them play at that level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 10, 2017, 02:16:36 AM
Sooners v buckeyes 3-3 @ the half cagey but makes for a good second half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 03:46:28 AM
Auburn have a super defence but no offense, the absolute opposite of where they started under Malzahn. Stidham has been very shakey in his first two starts and you'd hope he can improve fast or he will have to be yanked for last year's starter, who at least can move the ball but is made of glass.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 10, 2017, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 03:46:28 AM
Auburn have a super defence but no offense, the absolute opposite of where they started under Malzahn. Stidham has been very shakey in his first two starts and you'd hope he can improve fast or he will have to be yanked for last year's starter, who at least can move the ball but is made of glass.

I see your man Frankilin fecked off to Florida Atlantic or somewhere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 03:49:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 10, 2017, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 03:46:28 AM
Auburn have a super defence but no offense, the absolute opposite of where they started under Malzahn. Stidham has been very shakey in his first two starts and you'd hope he can improve fast or he will have to be yanked for last year's starter, who at least can move the ball but is made of glass.

I see your man Frankilin fecked off to Florida Atlantic or somewhere.

Him, and De'Andre Johnson and Tim Bonner from season two of Last Chance U. Jonson really came across well in season two so it would be nice if he he found some redemption in FAU. Lane Kiffin being the coach means there's a spotlight on the team regardless this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 10, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 10, 2017, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 03:46:28 AM
Auburn have a super defence but no offense, the absolute opposite of where they started under Malzahn. Stidham has been very shakey in his first two starts and you'd hope he can improve fast or he will have to be yanked for last year's starter, who at least can move the ball but is made of glass.

I see your man Frankilin fecked off to Florida Atlantic or somewhere.

I have been an Auburn fan ever since the Bo Jackson era, he chose Auburn because the coach there simply told him he could compete for a starting role as a freshman, Alabama told him he might compete for a starting role his junior year, how idiotic was that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 11, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
The NFL is back. Jaguars had a big win over the Texans in Houston. Looks like the Packers are going to hold on against the Seahawks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 11, 2017, 01:07:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
The NFL is back. Jaguars had a big win over the Texans in Houston. Looks like the Packers are going to hold on against the Seahawks.

Hardly holding on now, they had the ball and ran out the clock.

That Seattle offense is shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
Arizona's season could be over. Palmer looks like an old man suddenly. He's always been a bit windy and the Cardinals offensive line is not good enough to keep a panicky QB from hearing footsteps. David Johnson was having a slow start as well, and then he fumbled a ball, and went out straight away with a suspected badly sprained wrist which may keep him out for several weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 11, 2017, 11:23:11 AM
Hey Syf, any thoughts on Elliott putting in a good shift for the cowboys last night Ruth all the controversy banging over him? I mean, they released a player who was misidentified in a robbery so aul Jerry is clearly a man of principle. When it comes to a star player, he'd absolutely agree the same...oh wait
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2017, 11:23:11 AM
Hey Syf, any thoughts on Elliott putting in a good shift for the cowboys last night Ruth all the controversy banging over him? I mean, they released a player who was misidentified in a robbery so aul Jerry is clearly a man of principle. When it comes to a star player, he'd absolutely agree the same...oh wait

An NFL team would start the devil himself if they thought he could be productive
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 11, 2017, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2017, 11:23:11 AM
Hey Syf, any thoughts on Elliott putting in a good shift for the cowboys last night Ruth all the controversy banging over him? I mean, they released a player who was misidentified in a robbery so aul Jerry is clearly a man of principle. When it comes to a star player, he'd absolutely agree the same...oh wait

An NFL team would start the devil himself if they thought he could be productive

Correct minder, the worst offenders of this historically are the Cowboys and the Raiders, they really set the bar low for bringing in knackers because they can be productive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2017, 12:34:00 PM
Quote from: stew on September 11, 2017, 12:32:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2017, 12:27:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2017, 11:23:11 AM
Hey Syf, any thoughts on Elliott putting in a good shift for the cowboys last night Ruth all the controversy banging over him? I mean, they released a player who was misidentified in a robbery so aul Jerry is clearly a man of principle. When it comes to a star player, he'd absolutely agree the same...oh wait

An NFL team would start the devil himself if they thought he could be productive

Correct minder, the worst offenders of this historically are the Cowboys and the Raiders, they really set the bar low for bringing in knackers because they can be productive.

I actually think Ray Lewis was the worst case
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2017, 12:34:06 PM
The Bengals were even worse for a long time. They still have lads like Vonte Burfect with them. Is Pac Man Jones still there?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 11, 2017, 01:03:55 PM
Has Burfict ever had any off field troubles like domestic violence/rape/firearms etc.? Thought he was missing a dirty b**tard of a player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 11, 2017, 02:46:32 PM
Gutted for my Bears last night whose gutsy display against the NFC champions ended up with nothing after they couldn't punch it in from the 5 yard line. That and a ridiculous TD where Ryan was practically down before unleashing a bomb were the difference. I think people underestimate how badly hit the Bears were with injuries over the last two seasons. Think they'll be competitive for the most part given any luck on this front. Luck that obviously Kevin White doesn't have. I'm hoping Glennon can be competent enough that they don't have to throw Trubisky in too early.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on September 11, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: stew on September 11, 2017, 01:07:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
The NFL is back. Jaguars had a big win over the Texans in Houston. Looks like the Packers are going to hold on against the Seahawks.

Hardly holding on now, they had the ball and ran out the clock.

That Seattle offense is shite.
True but the Packers got some serious help last night. Pick 6 nullified by a phantom block in the back. Ejection from a phantom punch. No PI given when the seahawk was literally pinned down and prevented from jumping in the end-zone. A questionable TD for GB (i'm not convinced that their line was set in time) - I'll give them that one though as the seahawks shouldn't have had 12 men on the pitch.
Home teams catch a lot of breaks in the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 11, 2017, 03:15:38 PM
Quote from: straightred on September 11, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: stew on September 11, 2017, 01:07:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
The NFL is back. Jaguars had a big win over the Texans in Houston. Looks like the Packers are going to hold on against the Seahawks.

Hardly holding on now, they had the ball and ran out the clock.

That Seattle offense is shite.
True but the Packers got some serious help last night. Pick 6 nullified by a phantom block in the back. Ejection from a phantom punch. No PI given when the seahawk was literally pinned down and prevented from jumping in the end-zone. A questionable TD for GB (i'm not convinced that their line was set in time) - I'll give them that one though as the seahawks shouldn't have had 12 men on the pitch.
Home teams catch a lot of breaks in the NFL

Last man standing strategy...pick a team with a good defensive record in Week 1, preferably at home.  Poorish opponent will help as well.  No brainer - Houston over Jaguars.  Result?  Jags 29 Houston 7. 

There's always next year, as the Liverpool lads say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 13, 2017, 02:54:24 AM
Indians just won 20 in a row.  Wow!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 13, 2017, 08:41:04 AM
Quote from: straightred on September 11, 2017, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: stew on September 11, 2017, 01:07:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 11, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
The NFL is back. Jaguars had a big win over the Texans in Houston. Looks like the Packers are going to hold on against the Seahawks.

Hardly holding on now, they had the ball and ran out the clock.

That Seattle offense is shite.
True but the Packers got some serious help last night. Pick 6 nullified by a phantom block in the back. Ejection from a phantom punch. No PI given when the seahawk was literally pinned down and prevented from jumping in the end-zone. A questionable TD for GB (i'm not convinced that their line was set in time) - I'll give them that one though as the seahawks shouldn't have had 12 men on the pitch.
Home teams catch a lot of breaks in the NFL

The Packers get more than their fair share.

Seattle will need Tom Cable to play himself the way their o-line is going. You can't have an offense with a terrible o-line. If they can do something to make that semi passable they'll be a good team this year. I think their defence is better than the last few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 13, 2017, 08:14:15 PM
21 straight wins for the Indians, an American League record.  Amazing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 14, 2017, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 11, 2017, 02:46:32 PM
Gutted for my Bears last night whose gutsy display against the NFC champions ended up with nothing after they couldn't punch it in from the 5 yard line. That and a ridiculous TD where Ryan was practically down before unleashing a bomb were the difference. I think people underestimate how badly hit the Bears were with injuries over the last two seasons. Think they'll be competitive for the most part given any luck on this front. Luck that obviously Kevin White doesn't have. I'm hoping Glennon can be competent enough that they don't have to throw Trubisky in too early.

Da Bears still suck! Seanie do you know what a FIB is??? Wisconites absolutely hates FIBS, especially on game day )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 14, 2017, 12:22:16 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 13, 2017, 08:14:15 PM
21 straight wins for the Indians, an American League record.  Amazing.

Yeah but in a while they will wake up and understand that they are caveland and find a way not to win the world series, they are a half step up from Buffalo in the biggest losers category in American sports.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 14, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
Stew, that caveland comment is so out of date.  Cleveland teams have been doing very well, apart from the Browns, who suck. The Cavs have won a championship and are now perennial contenders.  The Indians have made it to the World Series and are the best team in the American League, with great pitching and hitting and a bona fide Cy Young contender.  How about a little credit when its due instead of reverting to limp stereotypes.  Buffalo?  They have neither an MLB nor an NBA team.  21 straight wins isn't just damn good, it's record-breaking. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:25:06 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 14, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
Stew, that caveland comment is so out of date.  Cleveland teams have been doing very well, apart from the Browns, who suck. The Cavs have won a championship and are now perennial contenders.  The Indians have made it to the World Series and are the best team in the American League, with great pitching and hitting and a bona fide Cy Young contender.  How about a little credit when its due instead of reverting to limp stereotypes.  Buffalo?  They have neither an MLB nor an NBA team.  21 straight wins isn't just damn good, it's record-breaking.


Contenders? Who the hell cares about contenders?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 14, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 14, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
Stew, that caveland comment is so out of date.  Cleveland teams have been doing very well, apart from the Browns, who suck. The Cavs have won a championship and are now perennial contenders.  The Indians have made it to the World Series and are the best team in the American League, with great pitching and hitting and a bona fide Cy Young contender.  How about a little credit when its due instead of reverting to limp stereotypes.  Buffalo?  They have neither an MLB nor an NBA team.  21 straight wins isn't just damn good, it's record-breaking.

Orais, they have one title in 52 or 53 years, I think the last one they had prior to Le Bron winning them a title was back in 1964, that is ridiculous!

The Browns are a disgrace and have been since their inception and the Indians are very good but cant seem to get it done, it is a sports mad town like Green Bay except they do not have a clue how to win it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 14, 2017, 10:47:09 PM
Cmon, Stew, things have turned around in Cleveland.  The Indians have made it to the World Series, and the Cavs have won the title and played in the final last year.  The cry of "Next Year" is history.  In Cleveland, next year is now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 14, 2017, 11:59:37 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 14, 2017, 10:47:09 PM
Cmon, Stew, things have turned around in Cleveland.  The Indians have made it to the World Series, and the Cavs have won the title and played in the final last year.  The cry of "Next Year" is history.  In Cleveland, next year is now.

I love Cleveland as a sporting city, the Browns fans are unreal, the problem Orais is the exact reason I lit a fire under you with the Caveland comment, you lot see to be fine with settng records and almost winning titles, that is a losing mentality, you would never get that in Green Bay or Boston.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 15, 2017, 02:25:05 AM
Stew, I think you're reflecting an essentially American attitude about competition, the idea that teams are only great if they win championships.  I have coached track and field, soccer and quiz bowl at the high school level.  In quiz bowl, for example, there are hundreds of schools that compete in the state championship, but only one school wins that state title.  Does that mean that the hundreds of non-winners are failures? I don't think so.  For example, I coached two teams that won the state championship, but I also coached a few others that were just as good, won all but one of their matches, but were terrific teams.  The Indians are like that.  They're in with a good shot to win the title, but if they come up short, though disappointing, it doesn't mean they're not a great team.  I certainly respect the Packers' achievement, but think a lot less of the Red Sox who can essentially buy a championship.  The Indians' performance is particularly remarkable given that we're a small-market team.

Update: Indians beat the Royals 3-2 in extra innings.  22 straight!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 08:10:50 AM
Hang on. For such a paragon of sports, Green Bay has won how many superbowls since Bart Starr? And what else have they won that makes them so great? The Bucks? The Brewers? University of Wisconsin? You said yourself that the Packers are hugely underperforming given their talent.

Plus the Browns had a great draft with Kevin Costner as GM!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 08:10:50 AM
Hang on. For such a paragon of sports, Green Bay has won how many superbowls since Bart Starr? And what else have they won that makes them so great? The Bucks? The Brewers? University of Wisconsin? You said yourself that the Packers are hugely underperforming given their talent.

Plus the Browns had a great draft with Kevin Costner as GM!

Green Bay is a city, not a state, Green Bay is easily the smallest city ever in the States to have a major sporting entity, they call it Titletown USA, and they call it that for a reason, the GBP have won more world championships than any other franchise in football history.

The Bucks are from Milwaukee as are the Brewers, the Badgers are Madison based, none of those places are within a hundred miles of Green Bay, to answer your question about the Packers and superbowls post Starr, they won it in 96 with Favre and with Rodgers in the noughties, notice I did not speak to their near misses? Coming second means nothing in Green Bay, in Cleveland they seem to take pride in it, that is the difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
I know Green Bay is a city FFS. Cleveland is also a city. A city that supports 3 of the 4 major sports. I'm aware that the Packers are the only show in town there, really, but are you in a position to throw insults at poor Cleveland when they are competitive (at least) in 2 of the major sports?

Talk of Green Bay as 'title town' is vastly overrated. San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh and New England have won more Superbowls than the Pack. And if you are going back to the pre-merger days to add up to your 9, then you have to give the Cardinals credit for their one too :)

I can't believe you thought you had to explain the geography of Wisconsin to me, I'm familiar with the sports teams up there, but to give a like comparison with Cleveland I thought at least I'd balance it up by saying ye'd support the Wisconsin teams there.

Green Bay is not Titletown, no more than Dallas is America's Team. And as a sports hub, Cleveland is doing quite well at the moment.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 15, 2017, 10:54:31 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 09:58:16 AM
I know Green Bay is a city FFS. Cleveland is also a city. A city that supports 3 of the 4 major sports. I'm aware that the Packers are the only show in town there, really, but are you in a position to throw insults at poor Cleveland when they are competitive (at least) in 2 of the major sports?

Talk of Green Bay as 'title town' is vastly overrated. San Francisco, Dallas, Pittsburgh and New England have won more Superbowls than the Pack. And if you are going back to the pre-merger days to add up to your 9, then you have to give the Cardinals credit for their one too :)

I can't believe you thought you had to explain the geography of Wisconsin to me, I'm familiar with the sports teams up there, but to give a like comparison with Cleveland I thought at least I'd balance it up by saying ye'd support the Wisconsin teams there.

Green Bay is not Titletown, no more than Dallas is America's Team. And as a sports hub, Cleveland is doing quite well at the moment.

Eh, I did not think I had to explain the layout of the State to you, others read this thread and don't know, it was to make things easier for them.

I lived in New England well before I moved to Green Bay, I love the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics, I like the Pats as well but was disgusted at the hoodies cheating over the years, I prefer the packers now simply because the fans are brilliant and my best mate kept taking me to games and my kid is a diehard fan who I have bought over 60 tickets for.

Where do you get nine titles from???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:01:22 AM
13 Titles in Titletown, not 9 AZ.
They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).
Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 13 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, three Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (19) have played for more titles.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
No idea where I got that, it was stuck in my head for some reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:01:22 AM
13 Titles in Titletown, not 9 AZ.
They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).
Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 13 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, three Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (19) have played for more titles.

I thought you weren't counting 'nearly' ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:08:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:01:22 AM
13 Titles in Titletown, not 9 AZ.
They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and 10 since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1996 and 2010).
Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).
In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well as two more recently (over New England in 1996, 35-21, and over Pittsburgh in 2010, 31-25).

I don't, I cut and pasted that to show yu just why Green Bay is Titletown USA, 13 titles is some haul.

Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 13 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, three Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (19) have played for more titles.

I thought you weren't counting 'nearly' ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 15, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 15, 2017, 02:25:05 AM
Stew, I think you're reflecting an essentially American attitude about competition, the idea that teams are only great if they win championships.  I have coached track and field, soccer and quiz bowl at the high school level.  In quiz bowl, for example, there are hundreds of schools that compete in the state championship, but only one school wins that state title.  Does that mean that the hundreds of non-winners are failures? I don't think so.  For example, I coached two teams that won the state championship, but I also coached a few others that were just as good, won all but one of their matches, but were terrific teams.  The Indians are like that.  They're in with a good shot to win the title, but if they come up short, though disappointing, it doesn't mean they're not a great team.  I certainly respect the Packers' achievement, but think a lot less of the Red Sox who can essentially buy a championship.  The Indians' performance is particularly remarkable given that we're a small-market team.

Update: Indians beat the Royals 3-2 in extra innings.  22 straight!

There is no smaller market than Green Bay, the Indians are a tremendous story.

I do not consider your teams that did not win it all losers, my boys team won three State premier titles on the spin with me at the helm for the first two, that said we didn't even win State 2, we finished second and the same happened in State 1, not once did I even consider these lads failures, nor any kid who took the time to play sports no matter their teams record.

Now professional sports is completely different, the only acceptable season in Green Bay is a superbowl winning one, same for the Pats, not so much for Cleveland or the Bears and teams of that calibre.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 15, 2017, 12:38:32 PM
Lads, it's not the Calibre of the team, it's the expectations of the fans that determine what an acceptable season is or is not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 15, 2017, 02:39:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 15, 2017, 11:02:28 AM
No idea where I got that, it was stuck in my head for some reason.

Bears have 9.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 15, 2017, 02:42:59 PM
Stew - aren't you lucky that you have lived in the two greatest sports cities in the USA?  ::)

The Packers have a huge advantage in being owned by the fans and the only franchise that can be. There's no owners hiving off profits. Also - no other big sports to compete with in their city is a help too so even though it's a small city by US standards they're in a good position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 15, 2017, 05:16:37 PM
Stew, I have to disagree with you about the Browns and Cleveland's attitude to sports.  You say that the Browns are a disgrace (which is true) and have been since their inception, which is decidedly not true.  Cleveland has won football championships in 24, 45, 50, 54, 55, and 64, but just not recently.  I know you've heard of Cleveland's Jim Brown, the greatest running back of all time, in the opinion of a lot of people.  And on the second point, Clevelanders are not at all happy with just finishing second. We are proud of our teams through all those near misses, but not happy.  I felt proud of Armagh in '77 when we got hammered by the Dubs in the AIF, but I was neither satisfied nor happy.  Cleveland sports fans feel the same way.  Like Armagh in 2002, our day will come.  We've won the NBA title, thanks largely to LeBron (a NE Ohio product), and the Indians are in with a serious shot this year.  Did you see the huge sea of people that greeted the Cavs title. It will be even bigger if the Indians do it. I do appreciate that you acknowledge how rabid Cleveland sports fans are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 15, 2017, 09:41:51 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 15, 2017, 05:16:37 PM
Stew, I have to disagree with you about the Browns and Cleveland's attitude to sports.  You say that the Browns are a disgrace (which is true) and have been since their inception, which is decidedly not true.  Cleveland has won football championships in 24, 45, 50, 54, 55, and 64, but just not recently.  I know you've heard of Cleveland's Jim Brown, the greatest running back of all time, in the opinion of a lot of people.  And on the second point, Clevelanders are not at all happy with just finishing second. We are proud of our teams through all those near misses, but not happy.  I felt proud of Armagh in '77 when we got hammered by the Dubs in the AIF, but I was neither satisfied nor happy.  Cleveland sports fans feel the same way.  Like Armagh in 2002, our day will come.  We've won the NBA title, thanks largely to LeBron (a NE Ohio product), and the Indians are in with a serious shot this year.  Did you see the huge sea of people that greeted the Cavs title. It will be even bigger if the Indians do it. I do appreciate that you acknowledge how rabid Cleveland sports fans are.

I want to see them do well, I really do as long as my teams are out of contention, they have suffered enough as have the Bills fans, I really feel for them as well, in the case of the Browns  they seem to be completely and utterly useless.

By the way, the greatest running back in the history of the sport was probably either Jim Thorp or my personal favourite player of all time, Bo Jackson, Barry Saunders was sublime also as was Jim Brown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 15, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
Hoping the Indians can win 27 straight.  Think that would tie them with the number of starting QBs the Browns have had since '99.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2017, 10:33:30 AM
Walter Payton anyone? Doesn't even warrant a mention. To me he was the greatest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 16, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
I think the Browns have been crippled by an over eagerness to succeed and they've gone for quick fixes in the past. I feel they're looking at playing the long game now and that's the correct route to go. Kizer will be decent and they'll win a few games this season. They'll build through the drafts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 16, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 16, 2017, 10:35:40 AM
I think the Browns have been crippled by an over eagerness to succeed and they've gone for quick fixes in the past. I feel they're looking at playing the long game now and that's the correct route to go. Kizer will be decent and they'll win a few games this season. They'll build through the drafts.

They are good enough to build through the drafts. they have a proven history of stinking the place up in the drafts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 16, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
Stew, I think that you and Seanie are both right.  Eager to succeed right away, they made horrible draft picks.  And, Seanie, I do think that Walter "sweetness" Payton deserves inclusion in the top RBs of all time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 16, 2017, 05:23:37 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 16, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
Stew, I think that you and Seanie are both right.  Eager to succeed right away, they made horrible draft picks.  And, Seanie, I do think that Walter "sweetness" Payton deserves inclusion in the top RBs of all time.
Sweetness is definitely up there, he was a Cadillac, smooth as silk and beautiful to look at in full flight, Barry Saunders was a different kind of RB, that man could cut you in two and have you going two ways at once, his footwork and balance were otherworldly, my man Bo, well Bo could hit you and knock you on your ass or he could side step you and get gone in a hurry, I love watching these guys, they were magnificent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2017, 05:24:56 PM
So Stew,Green Bay have won 2 titles in  60yrs (yeah 6oyrs going back to Starr,) hardly titletown, a city living in the past, they be Ireland's Equivalent of Cavan, whats the patriots, Steelers won in the past 15-20yrs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 16, 2017, 07:19:11 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2017, 05:24:56 PM
So Stew,Green Bay have won 2 titles in  60yrs (yeah 6oyrs going back to Starr,) hardly titletown, a city living in the past, they be Ireland's Equivalent of Cavan, whats the patriots, Steelers won in the past 15-20yrs?

Wildweasel, you might want to pick a different fight kid! )


in the past 56 years I believe the packers have won seven titles, you know, of the world kind, 7 titles out of 56 with 32 or so,  give or take teams coming at them, so they deserve the title of titletown USA.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2017, 08:16:25 PM
My mistake from 1967 and the end of Starr, 2 in 50 years is it not, 1996 and 2010, big title hitters alright, patriots have hit 5 in  the last 15yrs for comparison and they aint even Americas team!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 16, 2017, 08:26:55 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2017, 08:16:25 PM
My mistake from 1967 and the end of Starr, 2 in 50 years is it not, 1996 and 2010, big title hitters alright, patriots have hit 5 in  the last 15yrs for comparison and they aint even Americas team!!

Quit when you are behind, to be fair you did not realise that Green Bay was called Titletown prior to your newly amended, cherry picked timeframe.

Even at that, 2 in fifty years is some handlin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
Like i said living in the past, 50 years is not a cherry picked time frame, normally you look at the past 10, 20, or 25 yrs then 50, saying you said they were title town for the number of titles they have won, you nearly have to go back 50yrs to find any sort of golden generation from Green Bay, They have been surpassed by the steelers, Patriots, even 49ers and Cowboys, Redskins and Giants have won more titles in the meantime
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 16, 2017, 09:24:20 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 16, 2017, 08:59:47 PM
Like i said living in the past, 50 years is not a cherry picked time frame, normally you look at the past 10, 20, or 25 yrs then 50, saying you said they were title town for the number of titles they have won, you nearly have to go back 50yrs to find any sort of golden generation from Green Bay, They have been surpassed by the steelers, Patriots, even 49ers and Cowboys, Redskins and Giants have won more titles in the meantime
You were careless with your figures and you got bit, you then doubled down and mention teams that cannot even come close to Green Bays record, there are over thirty teams in the NFL and one winner every year, the Packers have won 7 titles in 56 years and two in the past 20 years, Green Bay is Titletown USA and will forever be Titletown USA because smply put, they are the best franchise in US sporting history, they have an unrivalled legacy of greatness, they have been sold out since forever and they will never play in front of a less than capacity crowd, the Packers are loved world wide and the people own them, not some billionaire venture capitalist like Cuban. Oh yeah, I am a Pats fan as I lived in Salem for two years before I sat foot in Green Bay.

You cant weasel your way out of those facts kid, aint happenin.  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 16, 2017, 10:08:08 PM
Quote from: stew on September 16, 2017, 09:24:20 PMthey are the best franchise in US sporting history, they have an unrivalled legacy of greatness,

There's a wee upstart team from New York, think they're called the Yankees or something similar, that might dispute that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 17, 2017, 12:19:19 AM
Saturday night once again and yet again I get home from work at 10pm and now enjoying a glass of wine and loving college football. Florida gators game v good finish
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 17, 2017, 10:03:17 AM
College football is a track meet, too much offence and not enough defence for me, the games can be great however if the team you follow is in a tight one with a top opponent, the thing that makes College ball great is the fact that one loss can kill your dreams, one loss out of 11 or twelve, talk about pressure.

I love the Badgers and Auburn, I hate the Michigan teams and Bama, Bama are ridiculously good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 18, 2017, 10:51:05 AM
Very, very poxy win for the Cardinals last night against an abject Colts team. 13-3 down in the 4th quarter and the one play they made, a long pass for TD to JJ Nelson brought them back into it. Then Dawson missed a 42 yarder to win the game as time expired. Luckily the defense made a play in OT, Honeybadger picking off Brissett. A couple of runs later and Dawson kicked the game winner for redemption.

1-1 but a very bad 1-1. It's going to be a long year unless Palmer stops hearing footsteps.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2017, 05:30:03 PM
Trump throwing his toys today that Steph and the Warriors don't want to go and see him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2017, 06:33:04 PM
Melo off to the Thunder.

Him and Westbrook on the same team  :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 23, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
Thunder are really making a play to keep Westbrook happy and in-house. May even tempt George to stick around for more than a season if it works well. After Durant betrayed them it's good to see them back on their feet, one of the more likeable franchises.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 23, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
Thunder are really making a play to keep Westbrook happy and in-house. May even tempt George to stick around for more than a season if it works well. After Durant betrayed them it's goid to see them back on their feet, one of the more likeable franchises.

George will do well to touch the ball with Westbrook and Melo alongside him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 24, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
Trump tweeting about these pesky football players disrespecting the national anthem by taking a knee rather than standing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41376317
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 24, 2017, 11:21:08 AM
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 24, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
Trump tweeting about these pesky football players disrespecting the national anthem by taking a knee rather than standing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41376317

Lebron called him a bum over the Curry thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 24, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
LeBron vs Trump

One the subject of many legitimate discussions on whether he might be the greatest of all time, the other the subject of many legitimate discussions as to whether he may be the worst of all time.

The Goat vs a goat?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 24, 2017, 04:11:14 PM
Good to see Lebron isn't studied abut the fact republicans but sneakers too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2017, 05:08:13 PM
Steelers apparently are going to give the anthem a miss and stay in the changing room in Chicago today.

f**k you Donnie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 24, 2017, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.
stupid mistake calling a player a so of a bitch though .not very presidential  btw I'm not a fan of kapernick or kneeling
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.

"Snowflake"?? You're such a f**king idiot stew. Do you ever have an original thought?

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, Trump is extremely quick off the mark when it comes to condemning anything that lines up with his anti-muslim, pro-christian rhetoric, but slow as f**k when it comes to anything else, especially violence against muslims.

And specifically on the Charlesville issue, he could easily have condemned the violence on all sides, while at the same time correctly singling out the indefensible hate and ideology of the alt-right. He didn't do that. (And you agreed with a post of mine to that effect at the time, in case you've forgotten).

And one wonders why you (who supposedly despises Trump yet repeatedly jumps to his defense here) would label someone who was there to oppose "white supremacist scumbags" as a "snowflake"?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:12:41 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 24, 2017, 06:01:13 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.
stupid mistake calling a player a so of a bitch though .not very presidential  btw I'm not a fan of kapernick or kneeling

Makes him look "tough" to a certain segment, I guess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 24, 2017, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.

"Snowflake"?? You're such a f**king idiot stew. Do you ever have an original thought?

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, Trump is extremely quick off the mark when it comes to condemning anything that lines up with his anti-muslim, pro-christian rhetoric, but slow as f**k when it comes to anything else, especially violence against muslims.

And specifically on the Charlesville issue, he could easily have condemned the violence on all sides, while at the same time correctly singling out the indefensible hate and ideology of the alt-right. He didn't do that. (And you agreed with a post of mine to that effect at the time, in case you've forgotten).

And one wonders why you (who supposedly despises Trump yet repeatedly jumps to his defense here) would label someone who was there to oppose "white supremacist scumbags" as a "snowflake"?

You are too easy kid, I knew you would blow up, what sickens my shite every bit as much as the hateful far right, is the far left antifa c***ts and their white supporters, their behaviour is equally disgusting and that is why Trump responded the way he did, he should have named and shamed them all originally but he didn't, the snowflakes are so weak between the ears they don't get the fact antifa are as horrible as the very scum they are protesting against?

I think Trump is acting the **** with Rocketman and we are in very dangerous waters at the moment in that dark part of the world, personally I think you snowflakes should be going apoplectic over his performance on NK, bleating about his response to something he condemned over a month ago pales in comparison a tad, don't you think?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.

"Snowflake"?? You're such a f**king idiot stew. Do you ever have an original thought?

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, Trump is extremely quick off the mark when it comes to condemning anything that lines up with his anti-muslim, pro-christian rhetoric, but slow as f**k when it comes to anything else, especially violence against muslims.

And specifically on the Charlesville issue, he could easily have condemned the violence on all sides, while at the same time correctly singling out the indefensible hate and ideology of the alt-right. He didn't do that. (And you agreed with a post of mine to that effect at the time, in case you've forgotten).

And one wonders why you (who supposedly despises Trump yet repeatedly jumps to his defense here) would label someone who was there to oppose "white supremacist scumbags" as a "snowflake"?

You are too easy kid, I knew you would blow up, what sickens my shite every bit as much as the hateful far right, is the far left antifa c***ts and their white supporters, their behaviour is equally disgusting and that is why Trump responded the way he did, he should have named and shamed them all originally but he didn't, the snowflakes are so weak between the ears they don't get the fact antifa are as horrible as the very scum they are protesting against?

I think Trump is acting the **** with Rocketman and we are in very dangerous waters at the moment in that dark part of the world, personally I think you snowflakes should be going apoplectic over his performance on NK, bleating about his response to something he condemned over a month ago pales in comparison a tad, don't you think?

Er no, antifa are NOT as horrible as what they're protesting against.

ANTI-FASCISM stew. Protesting against WHITE SUPREMACISTS and the FAR RIGHT.

Yes, their tactics leave a lot to be desired and should be met with the full force of the law.

As for the "snowflake" stuff, if you had something substantial or serious to contribute, you wouldn't have to resort to the cliched name calling. More fool me for responding and expecting a thoughtful response. Carry on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 24, 2017, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.

"Snowflake"?? You're such a f**king idiot stew. Do you ever have an original thought?

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, Trump is extremely quick off the mark when it comes to condemning anything that lines up with his anti-muslim, pro-christian rhetoric, but slow as f**k when it comes to anything else, especially violence against muslims.

And specifically on the Charlesville issue, he could easily have condemned the violence on all sides, while at the same time correctly singling out the indefensible hate and ideology of the alt-right. He didn't do that. (And you agreed with a post of mine to that effect at the time, in case you've forgotten).

And one wonders why you (who supposedly despises Trump yet repeatedly jumps to his defense here) would label someone who was there to oppose "white supremacist scumbags" as a "snowflake"?

You are too easy kid, I knew you would blow up, what sickens my shite every bit as much as the hateful far right, is the far left antifa c***ts and their white supporters, their behaviour is equally disgusting and that is why Trump responded the way he did, he should have named and shamed them all originally but he didn't, the snowflakes are so weak between the ears they don't get the fact antifa are as horrible as the very scum they are protesting against?

I think Trump is acting the **** with Rocketman and we are in very dangerous waters at the moment in that dark part of the world, personally I think you snowflakes should be going apoplectic over his performance on NK, bleating about his response to something he condemned over a month ago pales in comparison a tad, don't you think?

Er no, antifa are NOT as horrible as what they're protesting against.

ANTI-FASCISM stew. Protesting against WHITE SUPREMACISTS and the FAR RIGHT.

Yes, their tactics leave a lot to be desired and should be met with the full force of the law.

As for the "snowflake" stuff, if you had something substantial or serious to contribute, you wouldn't have to resort to the cliched name calling. More fool me for responding and expecting a thoughtful response. Carry on.

They are every bit as horrible 70, anti fascists my hole, they are left wing haters who want to hurt those who would oppose them, the snowflakes cannot and do not listen to people with views different from their own, anyone caught hitting people at public events like these should be met with the full force of the law, antifa are scum you apologist and you know it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 24, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

The gobshite Trump still thinks he on the apprentice with his you're fired comments and to think some thought America would never see a bigger clown of a president than George W. Bush.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 24, 2017, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 06:56:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: stew on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 24, 2017, 12:40:11 PM
You'll see a dramatic increase in the kneeling now.

Well done Trump. Shame you can't be so emphatic when it comes to white supremacists.

Give over snowflake, he called them out, he just refused to only condemn the white supremacists  scumbags, he blamed the snowflakes and their antifa cronies as well.

"Snowflake"?? You're such a f**king idiot stew. Do you ever have an original thought?

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, Trump is extremely quick off the mark when it comes to condemning anything that lines up with his anti-muslim, pro-christian rhetoric, but slow as f**k when it comes to anything else, especially violence against muslims.

And specifically on the Charlesville issue, he could easily have condemned the violence on all sides, while at the same time correctly singling out the indefensible hate and ideology of the alt-right. He didn't do that. (And you agreed with a post of mine to that effect at the time, in case you've forgotten).

And one wonders why you (who supposedly despises Trump yet repeatedly jumps to his defense here) would label someone who was there to oppose "white supremacist scumbags" as a "snowflake"?

You are too easy kid, I knew you would blow up, what sickens my shite every bit as much as the hateful far right, is the far left antifa c***ts and their white supporters, their behaviour is equally disgusting and that is why Trump responded the way he did, he should have named and shamed them all originally but he didn't, the snowflakes are so weak between the ears they don't get the fact antifa are as horrible as the very scum they are protesting against?

I think Trump is acting the **** with Rocketman and we are in very dangerous waters at the moment in that dark part of the world, personally I think you snowflakes should be going apoplectic over his performance on NK, bleating about his response to something he condemned over a month ago pales in comparison a tad, don't you think?

Er no, antifa are NOT as horrible as what they're protesting against.

ANTI-FASCISM stew. Protesting against WHITE SUPREMACISTS and the FAR RIGHT.

Yes, their tactics leave a lot to be desired and should be met with the full force of the law.

As for the "snowflake" stuff, if you had something substantial or serious to contribute, you wouldn't have to resort to the cliched name calling. More fool me for responding and expecting a thoughtful response. Carry on.

They are every bit as horrible 70, anti fascists my hole, they are left wing haters who want to hurt those who would oppose them, the snowflakes cannot and do not listen to people with views different from their own, anyone caught hitting people at public events like these should be met with the full force of the law, antifa are scum you apologist and you know it!

You apparently don't get the distinction between ideology and tactics, do you?

One can oppose racism, white supremacy, wanton environmental destruction and so on, which are correct, fully enlightened positions, and go about it the completely wrong way, through bullying and violence against people and property and worse.

Yes, some of these people come from an anarchistic background, which is idiotic, but the key objection/cpncern is their tactics (no one is worried about anarchists attaining levels of influence of any significance in any aspect of American life).

Hence, Trump would have been correct in condemning violent acts and seeking full legal accountability.

The alt-right, on the other hand, are all about an ideology which seeks to place themselves and their culture above other races and groups. There is simply no equivalency between the two sides in terms of ideology.

IF you want to make the case, knock yourself out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on September 24, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
 just seen one of the most unbelievable f**k ups I've ever seen on a sports field! Chicago :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 24, 2017, 11:31:46 PM
The vikings are back to winning ways against the Buccaneers. 34-17

The Bears beat the Steelers. The Bills beat the Broncos. The jets beat the Dolphins  and the Saints beat the Panthers. All were upsets on a strange day for NFL results
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 25, 2017, 04:31:33 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 24, 2017, 11:31:46 PM
The vikings are back to winning ways against the Buccaneers. 34-17

The Bears beat the Steelers. The Bills beat the Broncos. The jets beat the Dolphins  and the Saints beat the Panthers. All were upsets on a strange day for NFL results

And the Red Skins absolutely dominate the Raiders from start to finish...score doesn't do it justice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 08:44:15 AM
Stew - your comments which tally with Trumps "all sides" bullshit are very disappointing. Well done to the NFL players for taking their stance. They're not disrespecting their flag or their country - they're making a respectful gesture to highlight blatant inequality and racism that goes, clearly, right to the Oval office. They want America to be better for all. Not just for rich white people. Well done to the owners especially Kraft and Mark Murphy (the two I read) for standing by the players.

Enjoyed the booing at Lambeau last night. Hoping they'll get to do a whole lot more on Thursday night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on September 24, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
just seen one of the most unbelievable f**k ups I've ever seen on a sports field! Chicago :-\ :-\ :-\

He's a lucky boy that the Bears went on to win. Hard to forgive something like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 25, 2017, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 08:44:15 AM
Stew - your comments which tally with Trumps "all sides" bullshit are very disappointing. Well done to the NFL players for taking their stance. They're not disrespecting their flag or their country - they're making a respectful gesture to highlight blatant inequality and racism that goes, clearly, right to the Oval office. They want America to be better for all. Not just for rich white people. Well done to the owners especially Kraft and Mark Murphy (the two I read) for standing by the players.

Enjoyed the booing at Lambeau last night. Hoping they'll get to do a whole lot more on Thursday night.

All sides bullshit my hole Seanie, antifa scum dressed to fight and brought weapons to a Klan rally, they wanted a fight as did the clan scumbags, I see no difference in their behaviour, they are all breaking the law.

The left in American is hitting new lows, if that were possible, they refuse to listen to an alternate view and that is dangerous, if you are not against Trump you are a racist. if yuou are against Trump and oppose the left you are a racist, the biggest racists of the lot, ( KKK Aside) are Antifa and the far left.

Trump should have named All warring parties as the problem, instead he threw them all in together under a generic blanket of responsibility, that was amended after he was told to be more specific, he did that, he condemned all violence and hatred in his initial speech on the day the KKK/Antifa riot happened but that was not enough for the snowflakes! Why you ask? Because the liberal media told them it was not enough! That's why!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: HiMucker on September 25, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Stew its not enough because its too little too late.  Trump knows this, and the statements of "all sides" are deliberate.  Every time he does this it emboldens the alt-right.  If you cant understand that then frankly you don't know your arse from your elbow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 25, 2017, 12:07:54 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on September 25, 2017, 11:52:19 AM
Stew its not enough because its too little too late.  Trump knows this, and the statements of "all sides" are deliberate.  Every time he does this it emboldens the alt-right.  If you cant understand that then frankly you don't know your arse from your elbow.

So by your rationale the man condemns all parties but should have pointed out the KKK's responsibility and should have ignored antifa and their snowflake minnions because the alt right get emboldened! I that it?

What about the alt left mucker, what about embolding them? What about their culpability???

You don't know your arse from your elbow if you let your bias lead you by the nose, you see on infractions from the so called alt right, I see them from both right and left, tell me who is right and who is wrong???

Evil is evil regardless of left or right, in your blind arrogance you lefties on here see the alt right as worse than the alt left! They are not, they are as bad as each other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 12:43:30 PM
Quote from: stew on September 25, 2017, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 08:44:15 AM
Stew - your comments which tally with Trumps "all sides" bullshit are very disappointing. Well done to the NFL players for taking their stance. They're not disrespecting their flag or their country - they're making a respectful gesture to highlight blatant inequality and racism that goes, clearly, right to the Oval office. They want America to be better for all. Not just for rich white people. Well done to the owners especially Kraft and Mark Murphy (the two I read) for standing by the players.

Enjoyed the booing at Lambeau last night. Hoping they'll get to do a whole lot more on Thursday night.

All sides bullshit my hole Seanie, antifa scum dressed to fight and brought weapons to a Klan rally, they wanted a fight as did the clan scumbags, I see no difference in their behaviour, they are all breaking the law.

The left in American is hitting new lows, if that were possible, they refuse to listen to an alternate view and that is dangerous, if you are not against Trump you are a racist. if yuou are against Trump and oppose the left you are a racist, the biggest racists of the lot, ( KKK Aside) are Antifa and the far left.

Trump should have named All warring parties as the problem, instead he threw them all in together under a generic blanket of responsibility, that was amended after he was told to be more specific, he did that, he condemned all violence and hatred in his initial speech on the day the KKK/Antifa riot happened but that was not enough for the snowflakes! Why you ask? Because the liberal media told them it was not enough! That's why!

Stew - this bit in bold is just undeniably gibberish. What race do these so called racists wish to destroy or discriminate against?

The rest is typical of the whataboutery that Trump ridiculously invents and even gets away with in some quarters. It's like saying that someone who hits someone after extreme provocation is the same as someone who has killed hundreds of people. There simply would be no Antifa if there was no KKK or Alt-Right white supremacists.

Also - if you do not believe Trump is emboldening these fascists you either have your head in the sand or you've a poor memory. Being from where you're from should have taught you that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 25, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
I'm sure there is another thread for this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2017, 01:30:37 PM
Jeezus - the Giants OL are a scour  :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
Yeah lads. f**k off out of here with the Trump stuff. This is one of the few threads I still enjoy in here. And just because he makes a tit of himself, and has been embarrassed by what the players responded with, there's no need to pollute this thread.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 25, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
There's been relatively little comment on Trump's lamentation of the attempts to make the game safer.

In the same week that it comes out that Aaron Hernandez's brain was fucked up from CTE and when evidence shows that the vast majority of NFL players show evidence of the same.

But yeah, when it comes down to it, the man is just a tit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 01:59:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
There's been relatively little comment on Trump's lamentation of the attempts to make the game safer.

In the same week that it comes out that Aaron Hernandez's brain was fucked up from CTE and when evidence shows that the vast majority of NFL players show evidence of the same.

But yeah, when it comes down to it, the man is just a tit.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think the stats I saw was that the vast majority of NFL players tested showed evidence. But they were tested because they exhibited symptoms in later life, or died in non-natural circumstances. The test data was predisposed to find a high level of occurrence. (I'm not saying that a high percentage wouldn't be seen if they tested all ex-NFL players, but I don't think that sort of test has been carried out).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 25, 2017, 02:18:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 01:59:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 25, 2017, 01:56:18 PM
There's been relatively little comment on Trump's lamentation of the attempts to make the game safer.

In the same week that it comes out that Aaron Hernandez's brain was fucked up from CTE and when evidence shows that the vast majority of NFL players show evidence of the same.

But yeah, when it comes down to it, the man is just a tit.

I'm not sure that's the case. I think the stats I saw was that the vast majority of NFL players tested showed evidence. But they were tested because they exhibited symptoms in later life, or died in non-natural circumstances. The test data was predisposed to find a high level of occurrence. (I'm not saying that a high percentage wouldn't be seen if they tested all ex-NFL players, but I don't think that sort of test has been carried out).

Yes, you are correct. I should have phrased that differently.

110 of 111 pros tested had the condition. That's 99%. http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2645104 (http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2645104)

The total sample was 202, covering people who played at all levels. 87% of those showed it. When people from other fields where head trauma and hits occur, such as the military, are included, the same patterns show up.

As you say, there is bias in the sample in terms of the selection (by necessity given that CTE can only be diagnosed post-mortem), but the evidence clearly suggests a relationship between CTE and head trauma and a huge reason for all players (and parents!) to be concerned, given the extent to which head hits occur in the sport, and it is highly irresponsible (if not surprising when it comes to him) for someone in Trump's position to mock the belated recognition of the issue on the part of the NFL, especially on the basis of what he perceives as "manliness".

Of course, it being Trump, some of his motivation is probably down to the fact that his perceived nemesis, Obama, spoke out on football and head injuries and promoted research on the issue.

He is that morally bankrupt a person.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
Yep, I agree with all that. I just wanted to make sure it was framed in context.

As for Trump, I've given up on him. He's a child.

As for CTE, yes, the NFL has to do something. Enforcing tackling rather than encouraging just hitting would be a start.

Rugby needs to be careful as well. That game has morphed into a hitting rather than tackling game as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on September 25, 2017, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 09:57:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on September 24, 2017, 07:38:20 PM
just seen one of the most unbelievable f**k ups I've ever seen on a sports field! Chicago :-\ :-\ :-\

He's a lucky boy that the Bears went on to win. Hard to forgive something like that.

Too right. Reminded me of the Willie Le Roux ghost try against Leinster earlier this year although I think this is worse. WTF goes through your head to stop a couple of yards short.

The commentary was hilarious with various pundits trying to work out if it was a touchdown, a safety,halftime, time over etc .

p.s. Totally agree about the Trump thing. I know its come about as a result of his comments on NFL but the last couple of pages of this thread would be better of in the car wreck that is the US Politics thread. MOst of the "debate" on here has nothing to do with the NFL specifically.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 25, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
Yep, I agree with all that. I just wanted to make sure it was framed in context.

As for Trump, I've given up on him. He's a child.

As for CTE, yes, the NFL has to do something. Enforcing tackling rather than encouraging just hitting would be a start.

Rugby needs to be careful as well. That game has morphed into a hitting rather than tackling game as well.

What about soccer?

I've read about concerns that a few of the Liverpool side from the 60s (think Ron Yeats and Tommy Smith were mentioned) have been stricken, relatively young, with Alzheimers or some other form of dementia, and some think it might be related to heading the ball.

The balls were certainly heavier (especially when wet!) back in those days.

I remember having my bell rung quite a few times myself, either heading a long kick-out in midfield or getting an elbow going up for the ball (and that was mostly in the most amateur of amateur Dublin soccer in the 90s!).

Especially for younger kids - heading the ball is all about timing and learning how to do it properly and not taking it right on the top of the head.

I do know that in the US, to bring down concussion rates, they don't allow heading at all until kids reach 12 or so, and even then it is limited.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 25, 2017, 02:35:02 PM
crazy weekend of plays and finishes - FG for the Eagles to win in the last second  - unreal - even the Giants comeback and OBJ's antics.
The bears LOL what was that clampet thinking! Week 3 and NFL is getting enjoyable. Started watching college football a bit, slowly coming around.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on September 25, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
Well done President Trump - call out those flag haters.

If you saw anything this weekend it is the complete capitulation of celebrities who are afraid of being labelled. Honestly sickening.
Those who take the knee or sit during a national anthem are disrespectful and in reality you are telling the USA that you hate cops. Now you've bullied your colleagues into doing the same or risk fragmenting every single NFL team and upsetting the gravy train. There is no question of that. If you want to protest then find another way. Your point has been made. All you are doing now is prolonging something divisive.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2017, 02:51:43 PM
Be a good lad and shut the f**k up fox  - cheers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
Yeah lads. f**k off out of here with the Trump stuff. This is one of the few threads I still enjoy in here. And just because he makes a tit of himself, and has been embarrassed by what the players responded with, there's no need to pollute this thread.

And then offer your opinion on said Mr Trump a few posts later.

I brought it up as it was clearly the biggest news item in US Sports over the weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 25, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Is it true that the singing  of the National anthem before NFL game is only a relative recent tradition (less than ten years)?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 25, 2017, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: Denn Forever on September 25, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
Is it true that the singing  of the National anthem before NFL game is only a relative recent tradition (less than ten years)?

Yes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 25, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
Yeah lads. f**k off out of here with the Trump stuff. This is one of the few threads I still enjoy in here. And just because he makes a tit of himself, and has been embarrassed by what the players responded with, there's no need to pollute this thread.

+1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Aaron Judge just broke the rookie home run record with his 49th and 50th dingers of the season today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 25, 2017, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Aaron Judge just broke the rookie home run record with his 49th and 50th dingers of the season today

Fresno State Bulldog Born and Bulldog Bred!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 26, 2017, 12:05:59 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Aaron Judge just broke the rookie home run record with his 49th and 50th dingers of the season today

I hope he is doing it without the help that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds had.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 26, 2017, 07:36:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 25, 2017, 03:55:45 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 25, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
Yeah lads. f**k off out of here with the Trump stuff. This is one of the few threads I still enjoy in here. And just because he makes a tit of himself, and has been embarrassed by what the players responded with, there's no need to pollute this thread.

And then offer your opinion on said Mr Trump a few posts later.

I brought it up as it was clearly the biggest news item in US Sports over the weekend.

I was talking about the subsequent posts that were about to go down the route of the other thread.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 26, 2017, 07:47:30 AM
Larry Fitz is evergreen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Dwayne Wade reunited with LeBron - not bad for a team in a city full of losers  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: foxcommander on September 26, 2017, 10:58:10 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Dwayne Wade reunited with LeBron - not bad for a team in a city full of losers  ;)

Do you live there too?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 27, 2017, 05:40:43 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 26, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Dwayne Wade reunited with LeBron - not bad for a team in a city full of losers  ;)

Dwayne Wade was past it five years ago and will add little to nothing bar star power to a team that is as far away from winning a championship as Tyrone are, this is a poor signing from a city full of poor signings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 27, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
Says it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNJUsE7pEs4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 27, 2017, 12:06:52 PM
Excellent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on September 27, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
Found this interesting:

Did you know this?
Aug 14, 2016- Colin Kaepernick sits for the national anthem.....and no one noticed
Aug 20th, 2016- Colin again sits, and again, no one noticed.
Aug 26th, 2016- Colin sits and this time he is met with a level of vitriol unseen against an athlete. Even the future President of the United States took shots at him while on the campaign trail. Colin went on to explain his protest had NOTHING to with the military, but he felt it hard to stand for a flag that didn't treat people of color fairly.
Then on on Aug 30th, 2016 Nate Boyer, a former Army Green Beret turned NFL long snapper, penned an open letter to Colin in the Army Times. In it he expressed how Colin's sitting affected him.
Then a strange thing happened. Colin was able to do what most Americans to date have not...
He listened.
In his letter Mr. Boyer writes:
"I'm not judging you for standing up for what you believe in. It's your inalienable right. What you are doing takes a lot of courage, and I'd be lying if I said I knew what it was like to walk around in your shoes. I've never had to deal with prejudice because of the color of my skin, and for me to say I can relate to what you've gone through is as ignorant as someone who's never been in a combat zone telling me they understand what it's like to go to war. Even though my initial reaction to your protest was one of anger, I'm trying to listen to what you're saying and why you're doing it." Mr. Boyer goes on to write "There are already plenty people fighting fire with fire, and it's just not helping anyone or anything. So I'm just going to keep listening, with an open mind. I look forward to the day you're inspired to once again stand during our national anthem. I'll be standing right there next to you."
Empathy and understanding was shown by Mr. Boyer.........and Mr. Kaepernick reciprocated. Colin invited Nate to San Diego where the two had a 90 minute discussion and Nate proposed Colin kneel instead of sit.
But why kneel? In a military funeral, after the flag is taken off the casket of the fallen military member, it is smartly folded 13 times and then presented to the parents, spouse or child of the fallen member by a fellow service member while KNEELING.
The two decided that kneeling for the flag would symbolize his reverence for those that paid the ultimate sacrifice while still allowing Colin to peacefully protest the injustices he saw.
Empathy, not zealotry under the guise of patriotism, is the only way meaningful discussion can be had. Mr. Kaepernick listened to all of you that say he disrespects the military and extended an olive branch to find a peace.
When will America listen to him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 27, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
the anthem isn't playing though while they are kneeling. A military vet or active will never kneel during the anthem... it's become something much more now and it's taking away from sports. there will be nothing left soon...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 27, 2017, 12:57:49 PM
Trump doesn't give two f**ks whether some athletes kneel or sit through the anthem.

As with most of the rest of his "platform", it's a means to an end. Push the buttons of what he identified early as a "base" he could exploit, and they'll rally around and elect him and, later, excuse his complete lack of command of policy and legislative accomplishments.

Any ordinary president would have been focused over the past few days on Puerto Rico and raising public support for rebuilding the island. Trump instead, whether due to the failure, once again, to repeal Obamacare, or whatever he felt necessitated distracting the public (Russia, emails...), once again doubled down on stirring up his base and causing a press firestorm.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 27, 2017, 01:14:52 PM
That is a good piece on Kaepernick though.

One wonders just what form of protest would be acceptable to the 55year old white people all over the news burning their jerseys on the backyard grill?

Any type where they don't have to see or hear it, I presume?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 27, 2017, 01:21:07 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 27, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
the anthem isn't playing though while they are kneeling. A military vet or active will never kneel during the anthem... it's become something much more now and it's taking away from sports. there will be nothing left soon...

Kap started kneeling after discussions with vets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Longshanks on September 27, 2017, 01:26:04 PM
Do you think Kap will get picked up by a club again, I know he wasn't at his best when released but he is plenty better than the vast majority of QBs out there and only 29, QBs normally only ever get better with experience.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 27, 2017, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 27, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
the anthem isn't playing though while they are kneeling. A military vet or active will never kneel during the anthem... it's become something much more now and it's taking away from sports. there will be nothing left soon...

It had settled down though, with small numbers of players quietly engaging amidst not much publicity, especially with Kaepernick black-listed and out of the league.

Trump is the one who threw down the gauntlet and forced the issue back to the top of the news.

You think you would have seen Jerry Jones down on the field on his knees without Trump?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 27, 2017, 01:32:19 PM
Quote from: Longshanks on September 27, 2017, 01:26:04 PM
Do you think Kap will get picked up by a club again, I know he wasn't at his best when released but he is plenty better than the vast majority of QBs out there and only 29, QBs normally only ever get better with experience.

He played all right last year once he got back in.

With his strengths, he is limited in a league where the star quarterbacks with a bit of longevity are the ones who can see the passes and throw the ball consistently well, but there aren't too many of them around. Cutler is still a starter FFS!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 27, 2017, 02:49:55 PM
Kaepernick was not playing well J70. He was poor. However, is he better than some of the starters in the league? Maybe. He's definitely better than some of the backups.

But if he was a top player, he'd have a job even if he set fire to the flag. And if he doesn't get a job with all the emotion stirred up recently, it's because nobody thinks he can do it. His mechanics were poor coming out of UNLV, and I said it back then. Puck used to slag me about it. He played very well for a time, based on his athletic ability. When he started getting under pressure, and had to rely on his technique, he started to falter. Then he started to panic. Then  he started to make crazy decisions.

At the moment, I think maybe the only place he could start is Miami, although Cutler is probably a sounder quarterback, Cleveland (maybe), San Francisco (ironically), and probably the Jets.  However he is a veteran, so I'm not sure how cheap he'd be, and maybe those teams just want cheap and cheerful as they try draft their long term quarterback. Whatever he is, Kaepernick is not the long term solution to anything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 27, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
Didn't say he played well, or that he didn't struggle for a few years, especially 2015. I said he did ok when he got the starting job back last season. Certainly showed enough that he should be good enough for a back-up position or even challenging for a starting position at some of the worse-off teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 27, 2017, 03:25:57 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 27, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
Didn't say he played well, or that he didn't struggle for a few years, especially 2015. I said he did ok when he got the starting job back last season. Certainly showed enough that he should be good enough for a back-up position or even challenging for a starting position at some of the worse-off teams.

I thought he looked like a busted flush in 2016/ He had a QBR in the low 60s I think. He just kept fumbling and panicking. I think there are other factors around whether he'd be worth a starting job, and he may be too dear for a backup.

These are the current starters.

NFC West   Arizona Cardinals (list)   Carson Palmer   USC   2003 (1)   - Nope
NFC South   Atlanta Falcons (list)   Matt Ryan   Boston College   2008 (3)   - Nope
AFC North   Baltimore Ravens (list)   Joe Flacco   Delaware   2008 (18)   - Nope (although he's also showing signs of decline)
AFC East   Buffalo Bills (list)   Tyrod Taylor   Virginia Tech   2011 (180) - Nope
NFC South   Carolina Panthers (list)   Cam Newton   Auburn   2011 (1)   - Nope
NFC North   Chicago Bears (list)   Mike Glennon   NC State   2013 (73)   - Nope
AFC North   Cincinnati Bengals (list)   Andy Dalton   TCU   2011 (35)   - Nope, but he's playing badly at the moment.
AFC North   Cleveland Browns (list)   DeShone Kizer   Notre Dame   2017 (52)   - Maybe, but he's the future so probably not.
NFC East   Dallas Cowboys (list)   Dak Prescott   Mississippi State   2016 (135)   - Nope
AFC West   Denver Broncos (list)   Trevor Siemian   Northwestern   2015 (250)   - Nope
NFC North   Detroit Lions (list)   Matthew Stafford   Georgia   2009 (1)   - Nope
NFC North   Green Bay Packers (list)   Aaron Rodgers   California   2005 (24)   - Nope
AFC South   Houston Texans (list)   Deshaun Watson   Clemson   2017 (12)   - Again, the future, so Nope
AFC South   Indianapolis Colts (list)   Jacoby Brissett   NC State   2016 (91)   - Maybe, but Andrew Luck is the man here.
AFC South   Jacksonville Jaguars (list)   Blake Bortles   UCF   2014 (3)   - Maybe
AFC West   Kansas City Chiefs (list)   Alex Smith   Utah   2005 (1)   - Nope
AFC West   Los Angeles Chargers (list)   Philip Rivers   NC State   2004 (4)   - Nope
NFC West   Los Angeles Rams (list)   Jared Goff   California   2016 (1)   - Nope
AFC East   Miami Dolphins (list)   Jay Cutler   Vanderbilt   2006 (11)   - Maybe
NFC North   Minnesota Vikings (list)   Case Keenum   Houston   - Yes, but this is really Sam Bradford
AFC East   New England Patriots (list)   Tom Brady   Michigan   - Yes
NFC South   New Orleans Saints (list)   Drew Brees   Purdue   - Nope
NFC East   New York Giants (list)   Eli Manning   Ole Miss   2004 (1)   - Nope
AFC East   New York Jets (list)   Josh McCown   Sam Houston State   - Maybe
AFC West   Oakland Raiders (list)   Derek Carr   Fresno State   2014 (36)   - No
NFC East   Philadelphia Eagles (list)   Carson Wentz   North Dakota State   2016 (2)   - No
AFC North   Pittsburgh Steelers (list)   Ben Roethlisberger   Miami (OH)   2004 (11)   - No
NFC West   San Francisco 49ers (list)   Brian Hoyer   Michigan State   Undrafted   - Yes
NFC West   Seattle Seahawks (list)   Russell Wilson   Wisconsin   2012 (75)   - No
NFC South   Tampa Bay Buccaneers (list)   Jameis Winston   Florida State   2015 (1)   - No
AFC South   Tennessee Titans (list)   Marcus Mariota   Oregon   2015 (2)   - No
NFC East   Washington Redskins (list)   Kirk Cousins   Michigan State - No


All in all, I'd say he's good enough for a backup, but precious few starting jobs and even those might have mitigating circumstances re. cost etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on September 27, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Per ESPN's data, he was seventh worst out of 32 last year, ahead of Eli, Wentz and others.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016)

QB rating alone obviously isn't the only figure to go by (other numbers show how his strength is on the side of running/scrambling, while Eli, for example, was hamstrung by a horrible offensive line), but he is at least worth a shot as a back-up/game manager. The potential controversy (and perhaps money too) outweighed what he could offer. Now Trump has landed them all in it up to their necks anyway.

One wonders where the line would be if it was, say, Odell Beckham Jr. (clearly not the thoughtful lad that Kaepernick is!) who had led it?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on September 27, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 27, 2017, 03:17:10 PM
Didn't say he played well, or that he didn't struggle for a few years, especially 2015. I said he did ok when he got the starting job back last season. Certainly showed enough that he should be good enough for a back-up position or even challenging for a starting position at some of the worse-off teams.

He is definitely good enough to be a backup. There is no doubt that his two successful years where he made the Championship GAmes and the SB were based on an element of  "surprise" factor (and an awesome SF defence). His athletic ability got him out of holes and everything clicked. The only slight issue with him as a starter on those  weaker teams is that if you are bringing a young QB through, Kaepernick is not the best player to learn from because his mechanics/decision making are not the best.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 27, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 27, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Per ESPN's data, he was seventh worst out of 32 last year, ahead of Eli, Wentz and others.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016)

QB rating alone obviously isn't the only figure to go by (other numbers show how his strength is on the side of running/scrambling, while Eli, for example, was hamstrung by a horrible offensive line), but he is at least worth a shot as a back-up/game manager. The potential controversy (and perhaps money too) outweighed what he could offer. Now Trump has landed them all in it up to their necks anyway.

One wonders where the line would be if it was, say, Odell Beckham Jr. (clearly not the thoughtful lad that Kaepernick is!) who had led it?

OBJ would still be in the league.  I don't think that's a doubt.

I suppose the question is, would Kaepernick be in the league if he HADN'T done this?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 27, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 27, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
Quote from: J70 on September 27, 2017, 03:39:41 PM
Per ESPN's data, he was seventh worst out of 32 last year, ahead of Eli, Wentz and others.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/year/2016)

QB rating alone obviously isn't the only figure to go by (other numbers show how his strength is on the side of running/scrambling, while Eli, for example, was hamstrung by a horrible offensive line), but he is at least worth a shot as a back-up/game manager. The potential controversy (and perhaps money too) outweighed what he could offer. Now Trump has landed them all in it up to their necks anyway.

One wonders where the line would be if it was, say, Odell Beckham Jr. (clearly not the thoughtful lad that Kaepernick is!) who had led it?

OBJ would still be in the league.  I don't think that's a doubt.

I suppose the question is, would Kaepernick be in the league if he HADN'T done this?

I believe he would but I just think owners want to avoid controversy. They want to maximise cash and would think it pointless to add him as a backup and have to deal with the unwanted publicity. If a starting QB goes down, especially one who runs a bit, I could see a team picking him up as a stop gap. I'm thinking Seattle, Carolina (he's actually not much worse than Cam on current form!), Houston - teams with decent defences who may be in contention for playoffs. The owners will wear the hype if he's doing a job and helping them win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 27, 2017, 04:14:37 PM
Spot on. That's why I think it's more complex than he's out of the league because he did this. He's out of the league because he brings the pub, and his form is not good enough to outweigh it. Coaches and owners hate talking about stuff like this, and Kaepernick became a sideshow, and wasn't playing well enough to counter it.

I have to admit, at the time I wondered whether it was a double bluff by Kaepernick. He knew he was struggling and I thought he may have done this to make it harder for the niners to let him go, in case they were seen as racist. But I was guilty of applying Irish machiavellian political maneuvering to a more straightforward political statement.

Of course now the publicity might be a positive given the recent turn of events!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 28, 2017, 12:53:01 AM
Cam Newton is an NFL MVP. You only need to look at where Carolina were when he was drafted to see what a difference he's made. Comparing Kaepernick to him is like comparing a Honda Civic to a Porsche.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 28, 2017, 07:49:39 AM
Christ, you're so sensitive about him you feel the need to defend him against the mildest of harmless jibes.

Cam is looking more like a battered old Mazda MX-5 than a Porsche at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2017, 08:31:37 AM
Looks like a few college basketball programs are in trouble for bribing athletes or taking money to set the athletes up with certain management companies. Rick Pittino is basically gone at Louisville, and USC, Arizona and Miami are also implicated, with others. Also Adidas seem to be up to their neck in it. It's an FBI investigation too, not just an NCAA probe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 28, 2017, 03:15:18 PM
I thought these facts were very good. We thought Tipp and Galway were close in the hurling!

The Packers have played the Bears 194 times. It's currently 94 wins each, with 6 ties. Tonight will probably see someone take the lead.

Not only that, but in the 194 games played so far, the Packers hold an aggregate lead of 4 points! 3335 to 3331.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 29, 2017, 08:23:37 AM
They're ahead overall now. That was brutal. Expected more of a fight from da Bears but I guess you can't go anywhere with a QB giving the ball away 3 times in the first half. I expect Trubisky to start the next game. Even if he turns the ball over as much as Glennon (which I don't think he will) he still gives Chicago a better chance of winning games as he's more mobile and a better thrower. Not all Glennon's fault though. Thought the first play called was daft (Glennon made it worse by not accepting the sack or getting rid of the ball) and set the tone for the game. Lot of dropped passes too. Defence should have got more pressure on Rodgers with that patched up o-line.

Trevathan's hit on Adams was awful, expect he'll get suspended. Clinton Dix (I think) did a bad one in the first half on one of the Bears receivers (Thompson maybe). These hits to the head need to stop.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 29, 2017, 09:15:40 AM
I just watched the condensed game there on gamepass. Was it me, or did the Bears give up completely in the 4th quarter? I don't think they used any timeouts, and basically went into lead protection mode, running the ball and the clock. The TD they got took 9 minutes off the clock!

Did they just not want to risk Glennon giving another one away I wonder?

Normally in that situation you see the chasing team throwing all over the field, and then the leading team going conservative.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on September 29, 2017, 10:11:01 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 29, 2017, 08:23:37 AM
They're ahead overall now. That was brutal. Expected more of a fight from da Bears but I guess you can't go anywhere with a QB giving the ball away 3 times in the first half. I expect Trubisky to start the next game. Even if he turns the ball over as much as Glennon (which I don't think he will) he still gives Chicago a better chance of winning games as he's more mobile and a better thrower. Not all Glennon's fault though. Thought the first play called was daft (Glennon made it worse by not accepting the sack or getting rid of the ball) and set the tone for the game. Lot of dropped passes too. Defence should have got more pressure on Rodgers with that patched up o-line.

Trevathan's hit on Adams was awful, expect he'll get suspended. Clinton Dix (I think) did a bad one in the first half on one of the Bears receivers (Thompson maybe). These hits to the head need to stop.

Business as usual with the Packers and the bears, they bears get humped at home and away during the Rodgers era and mostly in the Favre era as well, good enough for them, their qbs are dogshit and have been for decades.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on September 29, 2017, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 29, 2017, 09:15:40 AM
I just watched the condensed game there on gamepass. Was it me, or did the Bears give up completely in the 4th quarter? I don't think they used any timeouts, and basically went into lead protection mode, running the ball and the clock. The TD they got took 9 minutes off the clock!

Did they just not want to risk Glennon giving another one away I wonder?

Normally in that situation you see the chasing team throwing all over the field, and then the leading team going conservative.

I thought that as well.  Bears were absolutely dreadful in every area.  Pass protection for the touchdowns was pathetic. Brutal hit by Ttevsthan. Commentators were really worried for the receiver which is never a good sign.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 02, 2017, 03:21:23 PM
Not a bad performance from Cam yesterday, gallsman..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 03:24:05 PM
Alabama are unreal. Looks like it's going to be Clemson, Alabama, TCU or Oklahoma and one of Penn State, Ohio State or Michigan in the final four, unless the Big 12 or Big 10 teams eat each other, and Georgia put it up to Alabama.


Auburn have rebounded nicely Syf.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 02, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 03:24:05 PM
Alabama are unreal. Looks like it's going to be Clemson, Alabama, TCU or Oklahoma and one of Penn State, Ohio State or Michigan in the final four, unless the Big 12 or Big 10 teams eat each other, and Georgia put it up to Alabama.


Auburn have rebounded nicely Syf.

The offense looked good against Miss State but they have had serious problems themselves. Ole Miss at home next week looks very winnable too, but with Georgia and Bama arriving for the season defining games next month and with both looking very good it's going to take something special to put a dent in them. About the best thing to be said is they both have to travel to Jordan-Hare.

Shaun White, the backup QB, was suspended for the first two games and then thrown off the team for being drunk and disorderly in public about two weeks ago, meaning both last year's QBs - JF3 and White - are gone and it's Stidham or bust now. Something weird is happening with Kamryn Pettway too, he was the feature back heading into the season but a heel injury has limited him massively.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 02, 2017, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: TabClear on September 29, 2017, 06:37:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 29, 2017, 09:15:40 AM
I just watched the condensed game there on gamepass. Was it me, or did the Bears give up completely in the 4th quarter? I don't think they used any timeouts, and basically went into lead protection mode, running the ball and the clock. The TD they got took 9 minutes off the clock!

Did they just not want to risk Glennon giving another one away I wonder?

Normally in that situation you see the chasing team throwing all over the field, and then the leading team going conservative.

I thought that as well.  Bears were absolutely dreadful in every area.  Pass protection for the touchdowns was pathetic. Brutal hit by Ttevsthan. Commentators were really worried for the receiver which is never a good sign.

Missed the initial post by AZ. Yeah. Seemed like they just wanted to get the f**k out of dodge. They have basically no decent wide receivers so best chance of saving the defence, who are relatively decent, was probably to try and kill some clock. Trubisky starting the next day and he simply cannot be worse than Glennon. Signing Glennon is one of the more inexplicable moves I can remember. Kaepernick for example is a better QB by miles (at least he can run). Not sure whether Trubisky is the answer but he's got the gig now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 04, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 02, 2017, 03:21:23 PM
Not a bad performance from Cam yesterday, gallsman..

Yeah, he looked pretty spectacular against the worst defense in the league alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 04, 2017, 10:43:26 PM
Oh Cam

https://twitter.com/MMarcilla98/status/915688165733801985
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 05, 2017, 08:35:27 AM
I'm sure that's not the way he meant it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 05, 2017, 11:45:41 AM
Idiotic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 05, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
I listened to it again. I'm sure he was just comparing it to his day to day QB and WRs room where they talk about Routes all day, with other players and coaches, and it sounded odd coming from a woman. But man, even in that sense giving him the benefit of the doubt it sounds stupid. She's a professional reporter, in the NFL. Why wouldn't she talk about routes and route running?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 05, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 05, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
I listened to it again. I'm sure he was just comparing it to his day to day QB and WRs room where they talk about Routes all day, with other players and coaches, and it sounded odd coming from a woman. But man, even in that sense giving him the benefit of the doubt it sounds stupid. She's a professional reporter, in the NFL. Why wouldn't she talk about routes and route running?

Exactly. It's not like there are very few female sports reporters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 12:36:11 AM
Terrible clock management from the Cowboys to give him the chance but f**king hell Rodgers is something else altogether.

Thought Elliott was away there for a second on the lateral play too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on October 09, 2017, 08:31:09 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 12:36:11 AM
Terrible clock management from the Cowboys to give him the chance but f**king hell Rodgers is something else altogether.

Thought Elliott was away there for a second on the lateral play too!

That's a little bit harsh, the Cowboys final drive took almost 9 minutes off the clock.
Was it just me or when there was over a minute on the clock + 1 timeout i felt the Packers were definitely going to win it. Seen it so many times before!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 10:28:22 AM
They took plenty off the clock alright and then inexplicably stopped it by throwing on second down. Ridiculous decision.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 09, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 12:36:11 AM
Terrible clock management from the Cowboys to give him the chance but f**king hell Rodgers is something else altogether.

Thought Elliott was away there for a second on the lateral play too!

I went to bed after first Packers TD but that TD throw from Rodgers was something else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 09, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 12:36:11 AM
Terrible clock management from the Cowboys to give him the chance but f**king hell Rodgers is something else altogether.

Thought Elliott was away there for a second on the lateral play too!

I went to bed after first Packers TD but that TD throw from Rodgers was something else.

He'd made the same throw the play before too and left it short and low. Went right back at it and perfected it. He's obscene.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
God the Cardinals are awful
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
God the Cardinals are awful

Whole division is very underwhelming at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
God the Cardinals are awful

Whole division is very underwhelming at the minute.

The NFC Worst again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2017, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
God the Cardinals are awful

Whole division is very underwhelming at the minute.

The NFC Worst again.

I'm loving this season and how it's shaping up. Think the playoffs are going to be brilliant (long time away I know) as it's going to be very hard to predict winners. Everyone with a good offence has a crap defence and vice versa. KC are interesting - putting up big scores but conceding lots of points too. Most would have expected their defence to be much better and maybe they will improve (think they've struggled with injuries so far). Russell Wilson normally takes 5 or 6 weeks to get going and the Seattle defence looks good again so they should emerge as a contender. Patriots and Packers due to their amazing QB's will be there or thereabouts but both have weak defences, especially NE. No one to hang your hat on though.

Looking forward to tonight. Bizarrely, there's a bit of a family connection to Mitch Trubisky so hoping he can do well. Bears without Trevathan and Willie Young is disappointing as the defence is overall not bad and I'd have fancied them against Case Keenum but with a few guys gone already and those two out it could be difficult.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
A family connection? Do tell?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2017, 01:59:41 PM
Mitch's sister is child minder for my brother and his wife.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 02:01:09 PM
Freebies!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2017, 02:03:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 02:01:09 PM
Freebies!!!

She'll be on TV tonight anyway!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 09, 2017, 03:24:11 PM
Nasty looking injury for OBJ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 09, 2017, 06:53:24 PM
Seanie, Mitch is the pride of Mentor, Ohio, a Cleveland suburb.  His sister doesn't still live there, does she?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 09, 2017, 07:33:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2017, 01:53:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2017, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 09, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
God the Cardinals are awful

Whole division is very underwhelming at the minute.

The NFC Worst again.

Looking forward to tonight. Bizarrely, there's a bit of a family connection to Mitch Trubisky so hoping he can do well. Bears without Trevathan and Willie Young is disappointing as the defence is overall not bad and I'd have fancied them against Case Keenum but with a few guys gone already and those two out it could be difficult.

Bradford is expected to play for the vikings tonight at QB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on October 09, 2017, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 09, 2017, 03:24:11 PM
Nasty looking injury for OBJ

Both him and Jj Watt could be done for season.  Broken ankle and leg respectively. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 10, 2017, 09:33:37 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 05, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 05, 2017, 11:55:55 AM
I listened to it again. I'm sure he was just comparing it to his day to day QB and WRs room where they talk about Routes all day, with other players and coaches, and it sounded odd coming from a woman. But man, even in that sense giving him the benefit of the doubt it sounds stupid. She's a professional reporter, in the NFL. Why wouldn't she talk about routes and route running?

Exactly. It's not like there are very few female sports reporters.

I wonder what would happen if male sports reporters were allowed to enter female changing rooms when the athletes were changing/showering etc?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 10, 2017, 11:35:57 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 09, 2017, 06:53:24 PM
Seanie, Mitch is the pride of Mentor, Ohio, a Cleveland suburb.  His sister doesn't still live there, does she?

She's in college. Think his family are still there. They were afraid he was going to get drafted by the Browns!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 10, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
Love that fake punt call last night. What an execution as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 10, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
Broke my 6 game losing streak at Leafs games last night

That kid from your parish is pretty good AZ  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 10, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
Matthews? Yeah, sure he'd be a natural skating on all the frozen ponds in Scottsdale :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 10, 2017, 04:52:28 PM
AP to the Cards

QuoteTrade! The New Orleans Saints have traded Adrian Peterson to the Arizona Cardinals for a conditional pick per sources
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 10, 2017, 11:28:52 PM
Think that trade will benefit all concerned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 11, 2017, 03:00:48 AM
USA out of World Cup.  Lost 2-1 to Trinidad & Tobago, while Honduras beat Mexico 3-2 and Panama beat Costa Rica 2-1.  Honduras now play Australia in a play-off, while Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama go to Russia.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 11, 2017, 08:33:32 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2017, 11:28:52 PM
Think that trade will benefit all concerned.

Dunno Seanie don't think he has anything left, and Cards have terrible O line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 11, 2017, 09:22:44 AM
Exactly. I'd have been happier if they traded for a proven O Lineman that might stop Carson Palmer's life insurance paying out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 11, 2017, 11:47:52 AM
I'm pretty sure he has more juice left than Chris Johnson. And that's not even close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 11, 2017, 11:56:14 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 11, 2017, 11:47:52 AM
I'm pretty sure he has more juice left than Chris Johnson. And that's not even close.

I may have more juice left than Chris Johnson. I'm not sure he's that much of an upgrade though. If they get a couple of OLine guys back he might be useful.

Ellington is the most dangerous of the backs at the moment. Mind you that's like saying the tallest pygmy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 11, 2017, 02:28:25 PM
Yeah, we'll see. The o-line is very bad which limits the upside of AP alright. I think he'll do fine, he was a bad fit in New Orleans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 11, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
Red Sox boot John Farrell out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 11, 2017, 03:28:12 PM
I see Aidan Murray's young lad Patrick is kicking for the Buccs again. Murray played for Monaghan according to Hogan Stand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on October 11, 2017, 03:59:34 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 11, 2017, 03:28:12 PM
I see Aidan Murray's young lad Patrick is kicking for the Buccs again. Murray played for Monaghan according to Hogan Stand.

I saw that, I don't remember Aidan playing for Monaghan, certainly not for any meaningful length of time. His 2 brothers Ciaran (ROI physio nowadays) and Brendan were long time county stalwarts with Ciaran in particular one of our all time greats..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 12, 2017, 11:18:06 AM
Another spectacular Cleveland collapse...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 12, 2017, 06:39:13 PM
That's my team!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 13, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
And another Montreal Expos Washington Nationals collapse as well


In  other news - Ravens backup RB Alex Collins has a bit of unique hobby for an NFLer - Irish dancing

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/The-Caw-Alex-Collins-Is-an-Irish-Dancer-and-Heres-the-Video-to-Prove-It/043ac11f-fef3-489d-a158-145ba4fa7aab
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2017, 03:29:17 AM
Huge upset in the NCAA, Syracuse beats #2 Clemson!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 14, 2017, 08:20:09 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 14, 2017, 03:29:17 AM
Huge upset in the NCAA, Syracuse beats #2 Clemson!!

College is class. I watched a bit of it, Clemson lost their QB and they just kept making daft mistakes. That really opens it up now. You'd still imagine they'll be there if they can get Brooks back, and win out. They lost at home to Pitt last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 15, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
Season over for Rodgers by the sound of it

Broken collarbone
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 15, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
Season over for Rodgers by the sound of it
Broken collarbone. It was a pretty late hit too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 15, 2017, 08:17:29 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 15, 2017, 08:13:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
Season over for Rodgers by the sound of it
Broken collarbone. It was a pretty late hit too.

Season over for Packers I would say too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
AP making some start in AZ.

Packers should grow some balls and bring in Knaepernick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 15, 2017, 09:55:13 PM
The vikings were missing their starting quarterback and running back too but you don't hear them complaining. Next man up is the name of the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 15, 2017, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
AP making some start in AZ.

Packers should grow some balls and bring in Knaepernick.

Why ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2017, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
AP making some start in AZ.

Packers should grow some balls and bring in Knaepernick.

Why ?

Because they're still 4-2 and in with a live chance of the playoffs. Don't tell me you think Knaepernick isn't a lot better than the third stringer in GB?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 15, 2017, 10:17:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
AP making some start in AZ.

Packers should grow some balls and bring in Knaepernick.

They look like a different team tonight. Amazing what a run game and a couple of O-Line back will do for you. Palmer looks like a QB again.
That said, experience tells me they will find a way to make this a heart stopper, or else lose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
Told ya there was some juice left in AP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 16, 2017, 02:28:26 AM
Wtf are Denver playing at.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 16, 2017, 09:29:10 AM
Big score racked up by the Saints last night.  They seem to be getting going a bit lately. When are they going to sort out that defence though fs!

Who needs AP!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 16, 2017, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 16, 2017, 09:29:10 AM
Big score racked up by the Saints last night.  They seem to be getting going a bit lately. When are they going to sort out that defence though fs!

Who needs AP!

The Cardinals!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 16, 2017, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 16, 2017, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 16, 2017, 09:29:10 AM
Big score racked up by the Saints last night.  They seem to be getting going a bit lately. When are they going to sort out that defence though fs!

Who needs AP!

The Cardinals!

;D true. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on October 16, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
See Kevin Cadle passed away. Always enjoyed him on the TV
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2017, 10:48:53 AM
Quote from: Declan on October 16, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
See Kevin Cadle passed away. Always enjoyed him on the TV

Just saw that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 16, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2017, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
AP making some start in AZ.

Packers should grow some balls and bring in Knaepernick.

Why ?

Because they're still 4-2 and in with a live chance of the playoffs. Don't tell me you think Knaepernick isn't a lot better than the third stringer in GB?

What about Tony Romo? That would be interesting :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2017, 01:07:23 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 16, 2017, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 10:12:44 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2017, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 15, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
AP making some start in AZ.

Packers should grow some balls and bring in Knaepernick.

Why ?

Because they're still 4-2 and in with a live chance of the playoffs. Don't tell me you think Knaepernick isn't a lot better than the third stringer in GB?

What about Tony Romo? That would be interesting :)

Wisconsin native, probably a better option than Hundley but Packers have invested three years in him and they usually roll with their own players, promote from within. Taking Kaep for example would be the most un-Ted Thompson move ever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 02:14:22 PM
Big Red Justin Turner with the walk-off last night for the Dodgers over the Cubs - 29 years to the day since Kirk Gibson hit his walk-off

(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/59e427f31f848925648b4b64-1024/gettyimages-861777666.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
Rodgers injury looked innocuous enough. Same as when he got a similar injury against the Bears a few years back. They'll be pretty ordinary without him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on October 16, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
He did get hit late though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2017, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
Rodgers injury looked innocuous enough. Same as when he got a similar injury against the Bears a few years back. They'll be pretty ordinary without him.

I would say they will be even worse than ordinary, there will be a huge drop off. Davante Adams in a contract year too, probably doesent get a chance to show what he has
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 16, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
He did get hit late though

He gets good protection from officials.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 06:39:28 PM
give it a rest seanie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2017, 06:39:49 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on October 16, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
He did get hit late though

He gets good protection from officials.

All QBs do, the rules have been changed to protect them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 09:40:19 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 06:39:28 PM
give it a rest seanie

What's wrong? Do you not think he does? Argue the point or give it a rest yourself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
Because it's boring as f**k to see you giving out about Rodgers and his "preferential" treatment every week.

All because he torches your team twice a year


QuoteGreen Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will undergo surgery on the broken collarbone he suffered Sunday in the Packers' loss to the Minnesota Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Rodgers is scheduled to undergo surgery soon, McCarthy said. He is expected to miss significant time and could be out the remainder of the season, McCarthy added.

Around The NFL will have more on Rodgers soon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
Because it's boring as f**k to see you giving out about Rodgers and his "preferential" treatment every week.

All because he torches your team twice a year


QuoteGreen Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will undergo surgery on the broken collarbone he suffered Sunday in the Packers' loss to the Minnesota Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Rodgers is scheduled to undergo surgery soon, McCarthy said. He is expected to miss significant time and could be out the remainder of the season, McCarthy added.

Around The NFL will have more on Rodgers soon.

I didn't say he got preferential treatment. I said he gets well protected by officials. But hey - make shit up if you want.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
Because it's boring as f**k to see you giving out about Rodgers and his "preferential" treatment every week.

All because he torches your team twice a year


QuoteGreen Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will undergo surgery on the broken collarbone he suffered Sunday in the Packers' loss to the Minnesota Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Rodgers is scheduled to undergo surgery soon, McCarthy said. He is expected to miss significant time and could be out the remainder of the season, McCarthy added.

Around The NFL will have more on Rodgers soon.

I didn't say he got preferential treatment. I said he gets well protected by officials. But hey - make shit up if you want.

Seanie all QBs do, especially inside the pocket. Reason there was no flag yesterday was he was outside the pocket, was a borderline hit and just unlucky for him. It's a brutal sport for injuries.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 17, 2017, 01:57:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 16, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
Because it's boring as f**k to see you giving out about Rodgers and his "preferential" treatment every week.

All because he torches your team twice a year


QuoteGreen Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will undergo surgery on the broken collarbone he suffered Sunday in the Packers' loss to the Minnesota Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Rodgers is scheduled to undergo surgery soon, McCarthy said. He is expected to miss significant time and could be out the remainder of the season, McCarthy added.

Around The NFL will have more on Rodgers soon.

I didn't say he got preferential treatment. I said he gets well protected by officials. But hey - make shit up if you want.

Seanie all QBs do, especially inside the pocket. Reason there was no flag yesterday was he was outside the pocket, was a borderline hit and just unlucky for him. It's a brutal sport for injuries.

Exactly
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 17, 2017, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 16, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
Because it's boring as f**k to see you giving out about Rodgers and his "preferential" treatment every week.

All because he torches your team twice a year


QuoteGreen Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will undergo surgery on the broken collarbone he suffered Sunday in the Packers' loss to the Minnesota Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Rodgers is scheduled to undergo surgery soon, McCarthy said. He is expected to miss significant time and could be out the remainder of the season, McCarthy added.

Around The NFL will have more on Rodgers soon.

I didn't say he got preferential treatment. I said he gets well protected by officials. But hey - make shit up if you want.

Seanie all QBs do, especially inside the pocket. Reason there was no flag yesterday was he was outside the pocket, was a borderline hit and just unlucky for him. It's a brutal sport for injuries.

5 Injuries for the packers in that match i was led to believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 17, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 17, 2017, 02:14:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 16, 2017, 10:28:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 16, 2017, 10:18:00 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 16, 2017, 09:44:46 PM
Because it's boring as f**k to see you giving out about Rodgers and his "preferential" treatment every week.

All because he torches your team twice a year


QuoteGreen Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will undergo surgery on the broken collarbone he suffered Sunday in the Packers' loss to the Minnesota Vikings, coach Mike McCarthy said Monday.

Rodgers is scheduled to undergo surgery soon, McCarthy said. He is expected to miss significant time and could be out the remainder of the season, McCarthy added.

Around The NFL will have more on Rodgers soon.

I didn't say he got preferential treatment. I said he gets well protected by officials. But hey - make shit up if you want.

Seanie all QBs do, especially inside the pocket. Reason there was no flag yesterday was he was outside the pocket, was a borderline hit and just unlucky for him. It's a brutal sport for injuries.

5 Injuries for the packers in that match i was led to believe.

"By the end of the game, GB had their 3rd string G playing LT. 5th RT who they picked up 2 weeks ago. And 3rd & 4th string safties playing CB"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 17, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
Doesnt sound too good for the rest of their season alright
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 17, 2017, 10:21:00 PM
Bears were absolutely decimated with injuries on defence especially last year. This year lost a good few starting defenders and their top two WR's already. Injuries are part and parcel of the game, unfortunately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 18, 2017, 02:10:47 AM
Gordon Hayward suffered a horrific ankle break in the season opener tonight. That's the Celtics' season sunk in less than a quarter of basketball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 18, 2017, 02:41:16 AM
Horrible break, and the TV cameras got close shots of it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 20, 2017, 04:55:17 AM
Incredible NFL game tonight - one for the ages.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on October 20, 2017, 05:25:41 AM
Fantastic offense from both sides, crazy finish!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 20, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
Yeah was a cracker alright. Some ending! Amari Cooper finally turned at last! Marshawn at some crazy crap. Peters decked Carr with a late hit which led to a melee and Lynch runs in to defend Peters (who is a close friend apparently) but ends up getting ejected for grabbing/pushing on official. Left the stadium shortly after.

Cubs relinquished their title in 5 to the Dodgers. Reasonable defence after early season hangover.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 20, 2017, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 20, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
Yeah was a cracker alright. Some ending! Amari Cooper finally turned at last! Marshawn at some crazy crap. Peters decked Carr with a late hit which led to a melee and Lynch runs in to defend Peters (who is a close friend apparently) but ends up getting ejected for grabbing/pushing on official. Left the stadium shortly after.

Cubs relinquished their title in 5 to the Dodgers. Reasonable defence after early season hangover.

I heard Lynch got dressed and watch the game in the stands
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 21, 2017, 06:41:18 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 20, 2017, 08:48:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 20, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
Yeah was a cracker alright. Some ending! Amari Cooper finally turned at last! Marshawn at some crazy crap. Peters decked Carr with a late hit which led to a melee and Lynch runs in to defend Peters (who is a close friend apparently) but ends up getting ejected for grabbing/pushing on official. Left the stadium shortly after.

Cubs relinquished their title in 5 to the Dodgers. Reasonable defence after early season hangover.

I heard Lynch got dressed and watch the game in the stands

Yeah - I heard he was in the locker room afterwards so the reports given out at the time might have been inaccurate. One game suspension for him though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 22, 2017, 09:38:02 PM
Bears with a BIG win at home, thank God for defense!!

Carson Palmer fractured his arm today, Cards have no luck this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 22, 2017, 09:50:38 PM
17 points out of my kicker today. Delighted.

19 from Latavius Murray. On my bench.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 23, 2017, 12:38:12 AM
Seahawks are starting to find their gear a little bit. Cracking flea flicker TD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on October 23, 2017, 07:48:21 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

Your insight and attention to detail are second to none!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 23, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

Kaepernick is available  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 23, 2017, 09:54:39 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 23, 2017, 09:25:55 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

Kaepernick is available  ;)

They should take him! Do they care more about their country or their football team?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 23, 2017, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

1986 - 14-2. Won Division.
1987 - 11-4. Won Division.
1988 - 12-4. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.
1990 - 11-5. Won Division.
1991 - 11-5.
2001 - 13-3. Won Division.
2005 - 11-5. Won Division.
2006 - 13-3. Won Division. Won NFC Championship.
2010 - 11-5. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.

They have sucked a lot since 1985 but obviously it's total bullshit to say Da Bears still suck and have done since 85

Good chance they finish above the Packers this season now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 23, 2017, 05:48:20 PM
Don't talk to me about sucking.

Great weekend in London getting to see my Cardinals live for the first time since 2000, but what a disappointing result and performance. Abandoned the run, went with 5 wides for 3 down in a row when you were just down 0-6. And then absolutely gave up after Palmer got injured.

Still, got to meet Aeneas Williams who was a real legend back when I was a season holder. Met the Owner. It was all positive apart from the actual game itself!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 23, 2017, 09:56:08 PM
AZ, sorry you had to make a long trek for such a dismal performance, but in the realm of football suckitude my Cleveland Browns have cornered the market.

In fact, if you make a return trip to London this week, there's a good chance you'll get the starting QB job!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 26, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
Great baseball game last night - this is gonna go 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 29, 2017, 12:33:00 AM
Go Buckeyes!  #6 Ohio State over #2 Penn State 39-38 after mistake-ridden first half.  Superb comeback by QB JT Barrett, and outstanding D line play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 29, 2017, 01:33:46 AM
Iowa State seem to be on a one team mission to ensure no Big 12 team makes the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 29, 2017, 08:17:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2017, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

1986 - 14-2. Won Division.
1987 - 11-4. Won Division.
1988 - 12-4. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.
1990 - 11-5. Won Division.
1991 - 11-5.
2001 - 13-3. Won Division.
2005 - 11-5. Won Division.
2006 - 13-3. Won Division. Won NFC Championship.
2010 - 11-5. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.

They have sucked a lot since 1985 but obviously it's total bullshit to say Da Bears still suck and have done since 85

Good chance they finish above the Packers this season now.


It's a song by Packers fans Seanie, the Bears still suck and will always suck even if they wion many superbowls! Why you ask? Because Da
Bears still suck in the eyes of every Wisconsinite of which I am one and proud of it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 29, 2017, 12:33:00 AM
Go Buckeyes!  #6 Ohio State over #2 Penn State 39-38 after mistake-ridden first half.  Superb comeback by QB JT Barrett, and outstanding D line play.

Brilliant game. I was watching Notre Dame getting a very important win over NC State, but was keeping an eye on this one. That last 2 series was unreal from the D line.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
This might be the season the CFP is really tested. At the moment you'd say Alabama are they only ones that look certs to be in even if they lose the SEC title game. Georgia should also be in if they only lose that game to Alabama especially if they make it a contest. Then what. If Miami win the ACC undefeated they should be in but if Clemson or NC State win the ACC do they get in? If ND win out they will be in assuming Georgia don't collapse as their only loss would be against a top 4 team by a point. If Ohio State win out they'll be there.  PAC 12 should be out as should the Big 12 at this point.

Will the CFP committee leave out 2 power 5 conferences if ND and Georgia deserve to be there?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 29, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
Quote from: stew on October 29, 2017, 08:17:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2017, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

1986 - 14-2. Won Division.
1987 - 11-4. Won Division.
1988 - 12-4. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.
1990 - 11-5. Won Division.
1991 - 11-5.
2001 - 13-3. Won Division.
2005 - 11-5. Won Division.
2006 - 13-3. Won Division. Won NFC Championship.
2010 - 11-5. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.

They have sucked a lot since 1985 but obviously it's total bullshit to say Da Bears still suck and have done since 85

Good chance they finish above the Packers this season now.


It's a song by Packers fans Seanie, the Bears still suck and will always suck even if they wion many superbowls! Why you ask? Because Da
Bears still suck in the eyes of every Wisconsinite of which I am one and proud of it!

Always thought you were from Armagh! Sorry for taking you literally.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2017, 05:48:20 PM
Don't talk to me about sucking.

Great weekend in London getting to see my Cardinals live for the first time since 2000, but what a disappointing result and performance. Abandoned the run, went with 5 wides for 3 down in a row when you were just down 0-6. And then absolutely gave up after Palmer got injured.

Still, got to meet Aeneas Williams who was a real legend back when I was a season holder. Met the Owner. It was all positive apart from the actual game itself!

Thinking of next year - how easy to get a ticket and cost?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2017, 05:10:36 PM
Quote from: ONeill on October 29, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2017, 05:48:20 PM
Don't talk to me about sucking.

Great weekend in London getting to see my Cardinals live for the first time since 2000, but what a disappointing result and performance. Abandoned the run, went with 5 wides for 3 down in a row when you were just down 0-6. And then absolutely gave up after Palmer got injured.

Still, got to meet Aeneas Williams who was a real legend back when I was a season holder. Met the Owner. It was all positive apart from the actual game itself!

Thinking of next year - how easy to get a ticket and cost?

It's a brilliant weekend. That's my fourth in the 10 years. Fly over early  Saturday morning and give the Saturday at the nfl uk yokes. I was at a stage event and it was well worth the 7 quid in.

You'll get tickets if you register interest when the games are announced. Ours were 80 quid sterling. Highly recommend it but do the organized stuff to get the most out of it. Don't do it as a weekend to show off knowledge of hidden drinking spots in London, you might as well go where the fans are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on October 29, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
(http://media.ticketmaster.co.uk/tm/en-gb/tmimages/venue/maps/uk1/15708s.jpg)

Where were you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 29, 2017, 09:10:15 PM
L16
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 30, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
Brilliant shootout in Seattle. Wilson never ceases to amaze me and Watson is absolutely the real deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 30, 2017, 05:47:59 AM
Cracking baseball game just finished....Houston 13 LA Dodgers 12 in 10 innings.

Houston up 3 games to 2 heading back to LA.  One more win will do Houston, while LA must win 2 to take the best of seven series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on October 30, 2017, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 29, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
Quote from: stew on October 29, 2017, 08:17:16 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2017, 11:27:23 AM
Quote from: stew on October 22, 2017, 09:51:24 PM
Da Bears still suck and have done since 85.

The pack are done.

1986 - 14-2. Won Division.
1987 - 11-4. Won Division.
1988 - 12-4. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.
1990 - 11-5. Won Division.
1991 - 11-5.
2001 - 13-3. Won Division.
2005 - 11-5. Won Division.
2006 - 13-3. Won Division. Won NFC Championship.
2010 - 11-5. Won Division. Lost NFC Championship game.

They have sucked a lot since 1985 but obviously it's total bullshit to say Da Bears still suck and have done since 85

Good chance they finish above the Packers this season now.


It's a song by Packers fans Seanie, the Bears still suck and will always suck even if they wion many superbowls! Why you ask? Because Da
Bears still suck in the eyes of every Wisconsinite of which I am one and proud of it!

Always thought you were from Armagh! Sorry for taking you literally.

I am but Green Bay is my adopted City, too many friends and too many memories not to be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 30, 2017, 03:03:31 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on October 30, 2017, 05:47:59 AM
Cracking baseball game just finished....Houston 13 LA Dodgers 12 in 10 innings.

Houston up 3 games to 2 heading back to LA.  One more win will do Houston, while LA must win 2 to take the best of seven series.

That was incredible...the amount of lead changes was insane. Looking forward to Tuesday evening for the next installment
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 30, 2017, 03:07:38 PM
The whole narrative was that with Kershaw on the mound, LA would be going back home to win in Game 6. Completely flipped with Houston looking to win behind Verlander.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on October 30, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
Awful injury for Zach Miller. Had to have emergency surgery today in an attempt to save his leg from being amputated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 30, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 30, 2017, 04:58:25 PM
Awful injury for Zach Miller. Had to have emergency surgery today in an attempt to save his leg from being amputated.

Just terrible. Hope everything goes well for him, it looked a gruesome injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 30, 2017, 07:47:06 PM
anyone watching the world series - I have struggled in the past to watch much of it but the dodgers astros series is entertaining
what do you make of the allegations that the balls are different? to create more runs and make life harder for the pitchers? some of it makes sense - it definitely makes for entertaining games if thats the case...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 12:36:01 AM
Jimmy Garropolo to the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.


Tom Brady is immortal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 31, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
Would a team like Green Bay not have traded their 1st round pick for him? Would have thought the Patriots could have gotten a better deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 12:57:29 AM
Green Bay's season ended when Rodgers got hurt. No point in giving up a pick for a half season QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on October 31, 2017, 01:39:33 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 12:57:29 AM
Green Bay's season ended when Rodgers got hurt. No point in giving up a pick for a half season QB.
I have heard experts express the opinion that he could make a decent starting qb. Could Green Bay not trade for him , then trade him away in the off-season without losing much in terms of picks, if they also viewed him as decent?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 02:06:55 AM
He's a free agent this coming off season, so they'd be giving up picks that they wouldn't recoup to perhaps enjoy a marginally better season than they will with Hundley under centre, that still wouldn't end up with a championship.

I find it a strange one from the 49ers perspective. Unless they've some guarantees that he'll extend, they've given up a high pick in a doomed season for a player who might be out the door again in no time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 02:26:11 AM
Nothing strange about paying a second round pick for the best back-up in football. Seems like a great bit of business by the 49ers. They have more than enough money to pay him if he works out.

Lord only knows why the Patriots dealt with their QB situation as they have. The Browns offered more in the spring, and they traded their third stringer Brissett to the Colts a couple months ago so now they have no QBs on the first team or even the practice squad apart from Brady.

If they were willing to flip JG it makes the Brissett trade for next to nothing seem all the more stupid. He was only in the second year of his rookie contract so could have slotted in as the back up for a very cheap price. Patriots brilliance's this is not, even if taken in isolation a second rounder for an expiring contract is good value.

If Brady, a QB into his 40s now, gets injured BB is going to look like a total idiot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 02:44:06 AM
Zeke injunction lifted and is officially suspended.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 31, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
A second round pick is not that steep of a price to pay for a shot at a competent QB - they spent a 3rd rounder on Beathard. If Garoppolo flames out they can easily wash their hands of this and move on (they'll most likely have the 1st or 2nd overall pick). If he plays well then they can franchise tag him, which would give them quite a few options - sign him to a long-term deal, sign another free agent QB (Hello Kirk Cousins!) and deal him for more then they paid for him, or draft a QB. I think this move makes sense for Niners, as it gives them options without having to go all in on a unknown quantity. The next 8 weeks for Garoppolo will be the audition for the rest of his career.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 02:26:11 AM
Nothing strange about paying a second round pick for the best back-up in football. Seems like a great bit of business by the 49ers. They have more than enough money to pay him if he works out.

Lord only knows why the Patriots dealt with their QB situation as they have. The Browns offered more in the spring, and they traded their third stringer Brissett to the Colts a couple months ago so now they have no QBs on the first team or even the practice squad apart from Brady.

If they were willing to flip JG it makes the Brissett trade for next to nothing seem all the more stupid. He was only in the second year of his rookie contract so could have slotted in as the back up for a very cheap price. Patriots brilliance's this is not, even if taken in isolation a second rounder for an expiring contract is good value.

If Brady, a QB into his 40s now,  gets injures BB is going to look like a total idiot.

That's all true, but JG is an UFA at the end of this season. The 49ers may just have traded for 8 games of JG. What's the betting he goes back to New England as a Free Agent? :)


PS. I think at this stage BB could coach the Pats wearing underpants on his head just saying 'wibble' and he wouldn't look like a total idiot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: Clov on October 31, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
A second round pick is not that steep of a price to pay for a shot at a competent QB - they spent a 3rd rounder on Beathard. If Garoppolo flames out they can easily wash their hands of this and move on (they'll most likely have the 1st or 2nd overall pick). If he plays well then they can franchise tag him, which would give them quite a few options - sign him to a long-term deal, sign another free agent QB (Hello Kirk Cousins!) and deal him for more then they paid for him, or draft a QB. I think this move makes sense for Niners, as it gives them options without having to go all in on a unknown quantity. The next 8 weeks for Garoppolo will be the audition for the rest of his career.

True about the Franchise tag. Maybe I'm just thick the Cardinals didn't do this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 31, 2017, 09:56:32 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 31, 2017, 09:18:42 AM
Quote from: Clov on October 31, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
A second round pick is not that steep of a price to pay for a shot at a competent QB - they spent a 3rd rounder on Beathard. If Garoppolo flames out they can easily wash their hands of this and move on (they'll most likely have the 1st or 2nd overall pick). If he plays well then they can franchise tag him, which would give them quite a few options - sign him to a long-term deal, sign another free agent QB (Hello Kirk Cousins!) and deal him for more then they paid for him, or draft a QB. I think this move makes sense for Niners, as it gives them options without having to go all in on a unknown quantity. The next 8 weeks for Garoppolo will be the audition for the rest of his career.

True about the Franchise tag. Maybe I'm just thick the Cardinals didn't do this.

I know people are saying that they could have got him for nothing at the end of a season so it seems like a steep price but you have to factor in that free agency is likely to see a serious run on QB. A lot of teams in much better shape than the Niners could be shopping for QB - the Steelers, Giants, Jags and even the Cards are probably more attractive land spots for free agents. I think this move gives them a jump start on what could be a crazy off season market.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2017, 10:05:07 AM
It will be a crazy off season for QBs alright, but there's a decent class coming out, and there are a lot of FA QBs available, so I'm hoping there'll be enough to go around.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 31, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Clearly the Patriots logic is - if Tom Brady goes down we're fucked anyway. Lets get another pick for a guy we're not sure will ever be the real deal and take another project QB in the draft. Good to see the 49ers trying something and not just tanking. Forgot about the franchise tag.....deal makes more sense when you look at that possibility if Garapollo goes well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 31, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Clearly the Patriots logic is - if Tom Brady goes down we're fucked anyway. Lets get another pick for a guy we're not sure will ever be the real deal and take another project QB in the draft. Good to see the 49ers trying something and not just tanking. Forgot about the franchise tag.....deal makes more sense when you look at that possibility if Garapollo goes well.

I read this morning that the Pats wanted to keep him and where willing to give him a starter money contract, and carry two starter QB contracts on their books, but Jimmy G wanted playing time. Something they obviously couldn't give him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 31, 2017, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 31, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Clearly the Patriots logic is - if Tom Brady goes down we're fucked anyway. Lets get another pick for a guy we're not sure will ever be the real deal and take another project QB in the draft. Good to see the 49ers trying something and not just tanking. Forgot about the franchise tag.....deal makes more sense when you look at that possibility if Garapollo goes well.

I read this morning that the Pats wanted to keep him and where willing to give him a starter money contract, and carry two starter QB contracts on their books, but Jimmy G wanted playing time. Something they obviously couldn't give him.

Interesting. I assume the Patriots are trying out Kaeprnick as I type?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 31, 2017, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 12:03:38 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 31, 2017, 11:55:10 AM
Clearly the Patriots logic is - if Tom Brady goes down we're fucked anyway. Lets get another pick for a guy we're not sure will ever be the real deal and take another project QB in the draft. Good to see the 49ers trying something and not just tanking. Forgot about the franchise tag.....deal makes more sense when you look at that possibility if Garapollo goes well.

I read this morning that the Pats wanted to keep him and where willing to give him a starter money contract, and carry two starter QB contracts on their books, but Jimmy G wanted playing time. Something they obviously couldn't give him.

Interesting. I assume the Patriots are trying out Kaeprnick as I type?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I assume Hoyer will come the other way
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
Special mention for the Browns, they where willing to offer the Pats a bounty of draft picks in the spring. They have three second round picks in next years draft & didn't take a run at Jimmy G this time ??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 12:58:31 PMI assume Hoyer will come the other way

It was reported last night that Hoyer has been cut
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2017, 01:14:55 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
Special mention for the Browns, they where willing to offer the Pats a bounty of draft picks in the spring. They have three second round picks in next years draft & didn't take a run at Jimmy G this time ??

Apparently they actually didn't. (offer the patriots a bounty).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 01:19:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 12:58:31 PMI assume Hoyer will come the other way

It was reported last night that Hoyer has been cut

Yeah I mean as a free agent

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 01:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/925351638289866753

Ajayi to the Iggles for a 4th round pick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 31, 2017, 01:54:38 PM
If that works out, what a deal for the Eagles. He looks like a genuine Super Bowl running back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 02:13:28 PM
Definitely - in behind that OL - he will do some damage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on October 31, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
Why would the Dolphins trade him? There is another story behind this. A premium back for a 4th round pick........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on October 31, 2017, 04:11:41 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on October 31, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
Why would the Dolphins trade him? There is another story behind this. A premium back for a 4th round pick........
Him and Gase have never got on. Gase left him behind in Miami for a game at the start of last season and publically called him out last week for not studying and missing blocks. He was also drafted with the knowledge his knees were an issue, bone on bone or something, so that may be a factor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 05:08:01 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on October 31, 2017, 04:11:41 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on October 31, 2017, 04:08:50 PM
Why would the Dolphins trade him? There is another story behind this. A premium back for a 4th round pick........
Him and Gase have never got on. Gase left him behind in Miami for a game at the start of last season and publically called him out last week for not studying and missing blocks. He was also drafted with the knowledge his knees were an issue, bone on bone or something, so that may be a factor.

Yep to say they didn't get on is an under statement.

Not sure if he is a premium back either, he's a bit boom or bust
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 06:02:08 PM
This chat about Megatron and the Eagles is madness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 06:10:58 PM
Any of you guys read the hoodie talking about Jimmy G? Basically confirms that he was involved in the discussion?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 06:28:42 PM
Who was involved in what discussion?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 06:53:41 PM
That Belichick spoke with Garopollo before letting him go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 06:53:41 PM
That Belichick spoke with Garopollo before letting him go.

What's noteworthy about that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 07:34:08 PM
Yeah, he's the coach and de facto GM and Minder posted above that less been reported that the Pats wanted to keep him.

I don't see any story here?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
Because its Bill Belichick we're talking about. The coldest coach/GM in history. He has traded bigger names than Jimmy G and gave them zero airplay, he trades Garappolo and he starts praising him? Makes you wonder just how good a player the 9ers have picked up....tough crowd in here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
Because its Bill Belichick we're talking about. The coldest coach/GM in history. He has traded bigger names than Jimmy G and gave them zero airplay, he trades Garappolo and he starts praising him? Makes you wonder just how good a player the 9ers have picked up....tough crowd in here

Most of these interviews and sound bites come from NFL-mandated media availability sessions. As GM he probably has even more plates he needs to spin in that regard each week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 10:02:55 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 07:58:15 PM
Because its Bill Belichick we're talking about. The coldest coach/GM in history. He has traded bigger names than Jimmy G and gave them zero airplay, he trades Garappolo and he starts praising him? Makes you wonder just how good a player the 9ers have picked up....tough crowd in here

They could have got more for him in the spring, they obviously liked him but he wanted to play & Brady is defying Father Time so it's not that complex. We will soon find out how good he is, mind you he hasn't too many weapons in SF
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 31, 2017, 10:33:05 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 01:25:14 PM
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/925351638289866753

Ajayi to the Iggles for a 4th round pick

I was checking odds for SB last night, Philly just went from 12/1 to 7/1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 31, 2017, 10:35:08 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 31, 2017, 12:36:01 AM
Jimmy Garropolo to the 49ers for a 2nd round pick.


Tom Brady is immortal.

Jimmy G from QB U......Eastern Illinois University.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 10:43:46 PM
Kelvin Benjamin to Bills, great pick up for them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 11:01:31 PM
Browns being Browns, failed to get a trade for AJ McCarron over the line. 5 mins late.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
NFL teams have started doing mid-season trades with regularity now. Big change from a few years ago even.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on October 31, 2017, 11:23:46 PM
More surprised at the Benjamin trade...Newton struggling big time and they cut off 1 of his top targets
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 10:43:46 PM
Kelvin Benjamin to Bills, great pick up for them

They're going for it. Difficult to understand the Carolina rationale...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 31, 2017, 11:31:30 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 10:43:46 PM
Kelvin Benjamin to Bills, great pick up for them

They're going for it. Difficult to understand the Carolina rationale...

Benjamin great size for catching those errant Cam passes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 11:30:23 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 31, 2017, 10:43:46 PM
Kelvin Benjamin to Bills, great pick up for them

They're going for it. Difficult to understand the Carolina rationale...

I don't get what the Bills management are at. They spent the off-season depleting their talent and now because it turned out Taylor really is a decent QB and has helped them into a good record they're changing course mid-stream. They fùcked up somewhere along the line whatever way you look at it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 11:34:23 PM
Regardless, they're doing the right thing now wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 31, 2017, 11:34:29 PM
The first official CFP rankings are out:

1. Georgia 8-0
2. Alabama 8-0
3. Notre Dame 7-1
4. Clemson 7-1
5. Oklahoma 7-1
6. Ohio State 7-1
7. Penn State 7-1
8. TCU 7-2
9. Wisconsin 8-0
10. Miami 7-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 31, 2017, 11:46:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 31, 2017, 11:34:23 PM
Regardless, they're doing the right thing now wouldn't you say?

I suppose, but they were all about building for the future for the last six months and have now thrown two picks at a WR that's less talented than they one they shipped in the off-season, albeit bigger.

Do the Bills suddenly believe in Taylor now? If so it would be some aboutface.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 01, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
Georgia over Alabama?  From what I've seen, Bama is the better team.  The Ohio State defeat to Oklahoma was devastating.  I think if they played today, the Buckeyes would win, but head-to-head match-ups clearly weigh heavily.  Notre Dame's inclusion in top 4 will wreak havoc on three of the power conferences. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 01, 2017, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 01, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
Georgia over Alabama?  From what I've seen, Bama is the better team.  The Ohio State defeat to Oklahoma was devastating.  I think if they played today, the Buckeyes would win, but head-to-head match-ups clearly weigh heavily.  Notre Dame's inclusion in top 4 will wreak havoc on three of the power conferences.

I dunno what planet the committee are on putting Georgia over the Tide. Maybe just a reason to grab a headline in a few weeks when they change the number one ranked team. Both #1 and #2 have to visit Jordan-Hare this month in their toughest ties before a possible meeting in the SEC title game. It would be nice to think Auburn can throw a wrench or two in the works.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 01, 2017, 01:06:04 AM
Possibly just because Georgia have beaten two top-25 teams and Alabama have only beaten one (the now 2-5 FSU)

Hard to know with these polls
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 01, 2017, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 31, 2017, 11:34:29 PM
The first official CFP rankings are out:

1. Georgia 8-0
2. Alabama 8-0
3. Notre Dame 7-1
4. Clemson 7-1
5. Oklahoma 7-1
6. Ohio State 7-1
7. Penn State 7-1
8. TCU 7-2
9. Wisconsin 8-0
10. Miami 7-0

TCU ahead of Wisconsin, who have not lost and they have lost twice??? WTF?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omaghjoe on November 01, 2017, 05:21:29 AM
I'm hopping on Los Doyers bandwagon these days.
Christ but watching beisbol has an uncanny knack of sucking out any excitement you build up for it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 01, 2017, 08:06:31 AM
Quote from: omaghjoe on November 01, 2017, 05:21:29 AM
I'm hopping on Los Doyers bandwagon these days.
Christ but watching beisbol has an uncanny knack of sucking out any excitement you build up for it

Game 5 didn't!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 01, 2017, 11:08:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 01, 2017, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 01, 2017, 12:15:40 AM
Georgia over Alabama?  From what I've seen, Bama is the better team.  The Ohio State defeat to Oklahoma was devastating.  I think if they played today, the Buckeyes would win, but head-to-head match-ups clearly weigh heavily.  Notre Dame's inclusion in top 4 will wreak havoc on three of the power conferences.

I dunno what planet the committee are on putting Georgia over the Tide. Maybe just a reason to grab a headline in a few weeks when they change the number one ranked team. Both #1 and #2 have to visit Jordan-Hare this month in their toughest ties before a possible meeting in the SEC title game. It would be nice to think Auburn can throw a wrench or two in the works.

Makes no odds. They are just giving Georgia the nod because they beat Notre Dame away and have a better non conference schedule than Bama, who beat a dire Florida State team, as it turned out.

Means nothing in the big picture because unless Georgia beat Alabama in Atlanta, they will not be ahead of them in the final ranking. Good news for Notre Dame, but only if they go all the way unbeaten from here on out, and that won't be easy.

If Georgia have a big season, and run Bama close, then you'd think they are one of the top 4 teams in the country. Imagine this....

Alabama wins out, they are #1
Who is 2,3 and 4 if the following happens.
Georgia win out apart from a close loss to Bama
Clemson win out and win ACC
Notre Dame win out
Oklahoma wins out, wins big 12 and beats Ohio State in the horseshoe
Ohio State wins out, only loss to Oklahoma

Who gets in?  Does Notre Dame get screwed because of conference championships, even if the only loss is to Georgia by 1 point (albeit at home). Does Oklahoma get jobbed, despite beating Ohio State? Does Clemson get left out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 01, 2017, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 01, 2017, 11:08:51 AM

If Georgia have a big season, and run Bama close, then you'd think they are one of the top 4 teams in the country. Imagine this....

Alabama wins out, they are #1
Who is 2,3 and 4 if the following happens.
Georgia win out apart from a close loss to Bama
Clemson win out and win ACC
Notre Dame win out
Oklahoma wins out, wins big 12 and beats Ohio State in the horseshoe
Ohio State wins out, only loss to Oklahoma

Who gets in?  Does Notre Dame get screwed because of conference championships, even if the only loss is to Georgia by 1 point (albeit at home). Does Oklahoma get jobbed, despite beating Ohio State? Does Clemson get left out?

IF (and a big IF) this were to happen I don't think Clemson's run in is strong enough to see them over the line so I think they are left out. Given where the teams stand now then Oklahoma get the nod over Ohio state given the strength of schedule left is more difficult.
Only question is will Georgia stay in the top 4 with a loss that late in the season. It could be seen as a playoff game so why allow them back in and take out another team. My guess is with a 1pt loss they will get in.
If ND win out they will be at 3 I would think, and maybe even sneak into No 2.

And what about Miami, if they win out they will beat No3 ND and No13 Virginia Tech in the next 2 weeks. Hard to leave them out if they do that...

Wisconsin could also run the table but be left out because of the schedule strength.

There will be a lot of twists yet, sure to be exciting.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 02, 2017, 10:09:06 AM
Astros went 5-0 up in the first and that was that. Bit of a damp squib in the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 10:10:49 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 01, 2017, 04:12:12 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 01, 2017, 11:08:51 AM

If Georgia have a big season, and run Bama close, then you'd think they are one of the top 4 teams in the country. Imagine this....

Alabama wins out, they are #1
Who is 2,3 and 4 if the following happens.
Georgia win out apart from a close loss to Bama
Clemson win out and win ACC
Notre Dame win out
Oklahoma wins out, wins big 12 and beats Ohio State in the horseshoe
Ohio State wins out, only loss to Oklahoma

Who gets in?  Does Notre Dame get screwed because of conference championships, even if the only loss is to Georgia by 1 point (albeit at home). Does Oklahoma get jobbed, despite beating Ohio State? Does Clemson get left out?

IF (and a big IF) this were to happen I don't think Clemson's run in is strong enough to see them over the line so I think they are left out. Given where the teams stand now then Oklahoma get the nod over Ohio state given the strength of schedule left is more difficult.
Only question is will Georgia stay in the top 4 with a loss that late in the season. It could be seen as a playoff game so why allow them back in and take out another team. My guess is with a 1pt loss they will get in.
If ND win out they will be at 3 I would think, and maybe even sneak into No 2.

And what about Miami, if they win out they will beat No3 ND and No13 Virginia Tech in the next 2 weeks. Hard to leave them out if they do that...

Wisconsin could also run the table but be left out because of the schedule strength.

There will be a lot of twists yet, sure to be exciting.

Ah yeah, if Miami win out they'll have to be in. They'll have also probably beaten Clemson in the ACC game.

As for the Badgers, yeah, even if they win out, and beat Ohio State in the Big 10 game, if Oklahoma win out, they'll also have beaten Ohio State, in Columbus, and have much better wins.

However, it's very likely none of the above will happen, which will bring even more carnage :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 02, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
There needs to be an eight team playoff ASAP. This system has only marginally improved the old one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 10:47:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 02, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
There needs to be an eight team playoff ASAP. This system has only marginally improved the old one.

I don't know Syf. I like this. It makes for very interesting games, and they truly all matter. If you allow 8 teams in, you'll have the 5 power conferences, plus at least one group of 5, and then 2 others. Losing two or 3 games mightn't eliminate you, and I think it should.

Like in all the scenarios we are painting above, there are a lot of mutually exclusive scenarios, which effectively equate to playoff games themselves.
The loser of Miami/Notre Dame is probably out.
The loser of Clemson/NC State is out.
The loser of Bedlam is out.

I like the 4 teams, but I agree it is very difficult and will appear unfair.

Another worry I have is in 8 teams, if you open the door that far, you'll have even more teams who feel aggrieved given 2 losses or 3 losses.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
Extend it to 6 with byes for #1 and #2. #3 v #6 and #4 v #5, winners play the following week against top two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
Extend it to 6 with byes for #1 and #2. #3 v #6 and #4 v #5, winners play the following week against top two.

I know you could tweak it, but you don't want to make too many games meaningless. And no matter what number you land on, you will have teams on the edge who will be pissed off. The lower the bar, the more teams with a gripe.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 02:04:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
Extend it to 6 with byes for #1 and #2. #3 v #6 and #4 v #5, winners play the following week against top two.

I know you could tweak it, but you don't want to make too many games meaningless. And no matter what number you land on, you will have teams on the edge who will be pissed off. The lower the bar, the more teams with a gripe.

Yeah, I get what you're saying completely. What I like about the above is - if you're not clearly the best (#1 or #2) you can still get in and have a "prove it" game to make up for say 1 defeat/bad performance where you just had a bad day. If you've lost 2 or 3 then you can have no complaints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 02:18:15 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 02:04:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 01:54:18 PM
Extend it to 6 with byes for #1 and #2. #3 v #6 and #4 v #5, winners play the following week against top two.

I know you could tweak it, but you don't want to make too many games meaningless. And no matter what number you land on, you will have teams on the edge who will be pissed off. The lower the bar, the more teams with a gripe.

Yeah, I get what you're saying completely. What I like about the above is - if you're not clearly the best (#1 or #2) you can still get in and have a "prove it" game to make up for say 1 defeat/bad performance where you just had a bad day. If you've lost 2 or 3 then you can have no complaints.

I think the way it is now though, the prove it games are still there, but they are in conference or late season games. Now I appreciate that you could win that 'prove it game' (say Wisconsin beat Ohio State) and still miss out. That's shit, but that could happen the #7 team in your scenario.

College Football is great though. This weekend we have essentially 4 or 5 elimination games.

Oklahoma v Oklahoma State a.ka. Bedlam. This is the best of all things. A state rivalry, a conference rivalry and essentially a loser go home game. Whoever loses this is probably gone. Also Ohio State are probably the biggest Cowboys fans outside Okie State.

Clemson v NC State. A big ACC game, and if Clemson are beaten (NC State missed a chip shot to beat them last year) they are probably done. NC State might be done already at 6-2 but if they win this, and go on to win the ACC, they might sneak in if other stuff goes their way.

Virginia Tech v Miami. Another big ACC game, and maybe unbeaten Miami at risk, If Miami win, they will be 9-0 and in the ACC championship game, no matter what happens v Notre Dame. If they lose then Va Tech are right back in it at 8-1, with the tiebreaker, and also maybe in with a chance of sneaking in themselves.

Also out in the floundering PAC 12 we still have a 1 loss Washington, but 4 lower ranked teams are playing each other, with potentially big knock on impacts to Notre Dame. They've beaten #17 USC easily already, but if they go out and lose to #22 Arizona, then that win gets less and less sexy for ND. Then Stanford #21 plays #25 Washington State. If Stanford lose there, then any potential ND win in Stanford would be less significant too. Notre Dame's chances are all wrapped up in strength of schedule, and they always schedule well. But if USC, Michigan State, Stanford, Miami NC State all start to slide a bit, will ND be punished even if they keep winning?

The other one that might be being ignored at the moment, because we've written off the PAC 12 is Washington. They are at #12 and have games against ranked teams in Washington State, Stanford and if they get there, probably Arizona or USC in the PAC 12 title game. If the likes of Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Clemson/Miami, etc lose games, which can easily happen, then a 1 loss PAC 12 champion suddenly becomes relevant again, even if the conference seems out of it at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 02, 2017, 06:17:38 PM
8 team playoff would be great. Teams will feel less hard done by at 9 than a team at 5. A team at 4 or 5 could potentially win the whole thing out but a team at 8 or 9 has a very slim chance of winning out. So an 8 team playoff would give the middle teams, 3 - 6, a chance to go at it but still reward the No 1 team with an easier game. When it comes to the end of the regular season there won't be much difference between the teams at 4 and 5.

There are a lot of scenarios left to play out and I think a lot of the teams mentioned here will drop off over the next few weeks. The Pac 12 is a weak version of the SEC where teams destroy each others chances of having a Pac 12 rep in the last four. They will have a team in the Rose bowl but that is all the Pac 12 will get.

I think it will finish with Bama, Big 10 winner (Ohio), ACC winner (Clemson) and Big 12 (Oklahoma) winner or Georgia in the last four. Can't see ND coming through unbeaten. Georgia will get in if they run Bama close.  But all that could go out the window this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 06:33:09 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 02, 2017, 06:17:38 PM
8 team playoff would be great. Teams will feel less hard done by at 9 than a team at 5. A team at 4 or 5 could potentially win the whole thing out but a team at 8 or 9 has a very slim chance of winning out. So an 8 team playoff would give the middle teams, 3 - 6, a chance to go at it but still reward the No 1 team with an easier game. When it comes to the end of the regular season there won't be much difference between the teams at 4 and 5.

There are a lot of scenarios left to play out and I think a lot of the teams mentioned here will drop off over the next few weeks. The Pac 12 is a weak version of the SEC where teams destroy each others chances of having a Pac 12 rep in the last four. They will have a team in the Rose bowl but that is all the Pac 12 will get.

I think it will finish with Bama, Big 10 winner (Ohio), ACC winner (Clemson) and Big 12 (Oklahoma) winner or Georgia in the last four. Can't see ND coming through unbeaten. Georgia will get in if they run Bama close.  But all that could go out the window this weekend.

I guarantee you the #9 team will feel just as hard done by. It all depends on where the bar is. They won't feel hard done by if they are #9 for 4 spots, but if they are #9 for 8, you can imagine them saying what the f**k have that #8 team done that we haven't.

It's not all about the chance of winning it either. If 1 plays 8, they'll probably win handy enough anyway, but 8 will have a great money boost for playing in a big bowl game (as I'd assume they'd rope in big bowl games to make up the 6 games needed now, instead of the 2).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 02, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
QuoteTexans QB fear Deshaun Watson suffered a torn ACL in practice today. A non-contact injury. MRI coming to confirm.

Not good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 02, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
QuoteTexans QB fear Deshaun Watson suffered a torn ACL in practice today. A non-contact injury. MRI coming to confirm.

Not good

Brutal. Gallsman, did that trade go through?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 02, 2017, 09:25:03 PM
Well, there goes my rapidly fading season! And who do I play this week? AZ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:52:53 PM
This has to be unprecedented. A team losing its two star players in one season. I always wondered though in a country with America's population, how it can only provide 32 adequately talented players to play 1 position. To go even further, there's possibly only 15 that can play the position at a high level. I don't understand how if we can train monkeys to use mobile phones, that more players can't be adequately trained to recognise defences and the reads that they are giving.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 02, 2017, 11:36:06 PM
Had Deshaun Watson in 3 of my 4 leagues this season (Montana the only one I didn't get him in). Just brutal. Hope the guy comes back next year and picks up where he left off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 03, 2017, 12:11:09 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 02, 2017, 09:06:58 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 02, 2017, 09:06:29 PM
QuoteTexans QB fear Deshaun Watson suffered a torn ACL in practice today. A non-contact injury. MRI coming to confirm.

Not good

Brutal. Gallsman, did that trade go through?

It did! Bell sitting pretty on my bench resting up ahead of next week!

Do have to say that it's terrible for Watson. He'd been phenomenal and was a surefire MVP candidate. A cruel blow to both he and the Texans and hopefully he can come back from it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 03, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 02, 2017, 09:52:53 PM
This has to be unprecedented. A team losing its two star players in one season. I always wondered though in a country with America's population, how it can only provide 32 adequately talented players to play 1 position. To go even further, there's possibly only 15 that can play the position at a high level. I don't understand how if we can train monkeys to use mobile phones, that more players can't be adequately trained to recognise defences and the reads that they are giving.

Plenty can read defences, most are not good enough to unhinge said defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 03, 2017, 02:25:23 PM
Non-contact cruciate makes me think of Bridgewater, who still isn't back fit enough to play a year and a bit later. For a dual threat QB like Watson this could be a massive blow.

Still can't get over how peak Cleveland Browns the botched CC on the email nullifying the trade for McCarron was.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 03, 2017, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 03, 2017, 02:25:23 PM
Non-contact cruciate makes me think of Bridgewater, who still isn't back fit enough to play a year and a bit later. For a dual threat QB like Watson this could be a massive blow.

Still can't get over how peak Cleveland Browns the botched CC on the email nullifying the trade for McCarron was.
A lot of  cruciates are non-contact. Teddy did his ACL, but also did significant other damage, including dislocating his knee joint.. I don't know if Watson's is as bad as that.

By the way, I'd say Bridgewater may start next week, after the bye.


As for the bit in bold, yes, they are officially a laughing stock. How the continually screw things up is beyond belief. And even going after AJ McCarron was enough of a stretch!! At this stage they might as well get Kevin Costner in there as GM for real....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 03, 2017, 03:05:15 PM
Zeke able to play this weekend. Just in time to f**k me on fantasy  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 03, 2017, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 03, 2017, 02:25:23 PM
Non-contact cruciate makes me think of Bridgewater, who still isn't back fit enough to play a year and a bit later. For a dual threat QB like Watson this could be a massive blow.

Still can't get over how peak Cleveland Browns the botched CC on the email nullifying the trade for McCarron was.
A lot of  cruciates are non-contact. Teddy did his ACL, but also did significant other damage, including dislocating his knee joint.. I don't know if Watson's is as bad as that.

By the way, I'd say Bridgewater may start next week, after the bye.


As for the bit in bold, yes, they are officially a laughing stock. How the continually screw things up is beyond belief. And even going after AJ McCarron was enough of a stretch!! At this stage they might as well get Kevin Costner in there as GM for real....

Read a few well enough placed journos on twitter reckon someone in Browns FO killed the deal on purpose and it was just to try and appease Hue Jackson to start with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 04, 2017, 10:16:00 PM
38-38 in Bedlam





..at half-time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 04, 2017, 10:42:33 PM
Buckeyes getting creamed by Iowa. Was 17-17, but now 38-17 Iowa! Ouch!

FT: 55-24.

Michigan State beats Penn State, so there goes the Big 10's chances of making the playoffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 04, 2017, 10:49:45 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 04, 2017, 10:42:33 PM
Buckeyes getting creamed by Iowa. Was 17-17, but now 38-17 Iowa! Ouch!

The state of Iowa is single-handedly making a complete mess of the college playoff picture this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 04, 2017, 10:42:33 PM
Buckeyes getting creamed by Iowa. Was 17-17, but now 38-17 Iowa! Ouch!

FT: 55-24.

Michigan State beats Penn State, so there goes the Big 10's chances of making the playoffs

If Wisconsin wins out they'd surely get in. They'd never leave an unbeaten big 10 champion out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 04, 2017, 11:36:34 PM
Here, if a kickoff is not downed by the receiving team in the end zone, is the ball not live? In Bedlam after that last Oklahoma to, their kickoff went over the head of the lad in the end zone, and he ran off towards the sideline. But the ball bounced on its point and actually stopped dead in the end zone with the coverage lads running down.the ref blew it dead but I think he thought it was going out the back of the end zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 05, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Not up on the rules, AZ, but I don't think anyone has to down the ball, but wouldn't put any money on that opinion.

As for Wisconsin, even if they go unbeaten, I can't see the committee leapfrogging over Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame or Oklahoma if they don't lose any more (assuming GA and AL play in SEC c'ship and it's close).  Wisconsin will have beaten only one top 25 team at most.  Not an impressive resume.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 05, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 05, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Not up on the rules, AZ, but I don't think anyone has to down the ball, but wouldn't put any money on that opinion.

As for Wisconsin, even if they go unbeaten, I can't see the committee leapfrogging over Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame or Oklahoma if they don't lose any more (assuming GA and AL play in SEC c'ship and it's close).  Wisconsin will have beaten only one top 25 team at most.  Not an impressive resume.

In the NFL you do. Not for punts, but kickoffs are live until they go out of bounds or are downed. Maybe ncaa rules are different.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 05, 2017, 05:31:28 PM
I'm sure you're right, AZ. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 05, 2017, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 04, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 04, 2017, 10:42:33 PM
Buckeyes getting creamed by Iowa. Was 17-17, but now 38-17 Iowa! Ouch!

FT: 55-24.

Michigan State beats Penn State, so there goes the Big 10's chances of making the playoffs

If Wisconsin wins out they'd surely get in. They'd never leave an unbeaten big 10 champion out.

Especially since they are in the top 3 for fans travelling to see bowl games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
Another crazy and in the Seattle game. Great stones from Cousins.

The chiefs scored with an absolutely brilliant disguised play against the cowboys
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
Another crazy and in the Seattle game. Great stones from Cousins.

The chiefs scored with an absolutely brilliant disguised play against the cowboys

That KC play was excellent, really enjoyed watching it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 06, 2017, 12:59:49 PM
I did too, and it is something I've been wondering for ages why others haven't done it. A hail mary is just that, whereas this was almost set up like a punt return, but only having to beat 8 players instead of 11. Loved it.

I'd love to see a rugby style passing movement tried as well. I think if you're on the half way line, and can set up a screen or even a pitch to the side, I bet you'd make 20 or 30 yards if you set up like a rugby back line and passed the ball that way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2017, 12:59:49 PM
I did too, and it is something I've been wondering for ages why others haven't done it. A hail mary is just that, whereas this was almost set up like a punt return, but only having to beat 8 players instead of 11. Loved it.

I'd love to see a rugby style passing movement tried as well. I think if you're on the half way line, and can set up a screen or even a pitch to the side, I bet you'd make 20 or 30 yards if you set up like a rugby back line and passed the ball that way.

DJ Swearinger ran back a failed two point conversion for the redskins against the seahawks and tried a lateral out of the blue. They almost made it too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 03:49:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 06, 2017, 12:59:49 PM
I did too, and it is something I've been wondering for ages why others haven't done it. A hail mary is just that, whereas this was almost set up like a punt return, but only having to beat 8 players instead of 11. Loved it.

I'd love to see a rugby style passing movement tried as well. I think if you're on the half way line, and can set up a screen or even a pitch to the side, I bet you'd make 20 or 30 yards if you set up like a rugby back line and passed the ball that way.

DJ Swearinger ran back a failed two point conversion for the redskins against the seahawks and tried a lateral out of the blue. They almost made it too!

Yeah, there were a few laterals in that move and they nearly got there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2017, 01:37:39 PM
Sad news yesterday with the death of former MLB pitcher Roy Halladay - who died when his private plane crashed into the Gulf of Mexico.

One of the best pitchers of the last 15 years and probably my favourite Blue Jay - I would always base my ticket purchases for games he was pitching in.

RIP Doc

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DODypLcVoAAHaDr.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 08, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
Apparently he'd only bought that wee plane a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on November 08, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
Another crazy and in the Seattle game. Great stones from Cousins.

The chiefs scored with an absolutely brilliant disguised play against the cowboys

That KC play was excellent, really enjoyed watching it.

Great to see something different. Is it just me or are there much fewer trick plays this year like fake punts, direct snaps etc.  I have not seen as many live games this year as normal so it may be the highlights shows only show the successful ones but it does seem that coaches are being more cautious.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2017, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 08, 2017, 01:54:37 PM
Apparently he'd only bought that wee plane a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah - he'd had his pilots licence for a while though - in fact he posted some videos on Twitter over the weekend flying it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: TabClear on November 08, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
Another crazy and in the Seattle game. Great stones from Cousins.

The chiefs scored with an absolutely brilliant disguised play against the cowboys

That KC play was excellent, really enjoyed watching it.

Great to see something different. Is it just me or are there much fewer trick plays this year like fake punts, direct snaps etc.  I have not seen as many live games this year as normal so it may be the highlights shows only show the successful ones but it does seem that coaches are being more cautious.

Read something the other day that since training camp 12 teams have had to make alternative plans with their starting QB, so the playbook gets shrunk somewhat when you have a backup starting. Hundley the prime example the other day for Packers v Lions, think his furthest throw travelled 9 yards, and most of them where under 5 yds. Might be something to do with it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 08, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 08, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: TabClear on November 08, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
Another crazy and in the Seattle game. Great stones from Cousins.

The chiefs scored with an absolutely brilliant disguised play against the cowboys

That KC play was excellent, really enjoyed watching it.

Great to see something different. Is it just me or are there much fewer trick plays this year like fake punts, direct snaps etc.  I have not seen as many live games this year as normal so it may be the highlights shows only show the successful ones but it does seem that coaches are being more cautious.

Read something the other day that since training camp 12 teams have had to make alternative plans with their starting QB, so the playbook gets shrunk somewhat when you have a backup starting. Hundley the prime example the other day for Packers v Lions, think his furthest throw travelled 9 yards, and most of them where under 5 yds. Might be something to do with it

Hundley has been a terrible disappointment and would make you believe Stew's contention that the Packers are badly coached. A guy that they obviously rate who is 3 years in their system should be able to do more. I hope I'm not teeing him up to go off on Sunday!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 08, 2017, 04:18:00 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 05, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Not up on the rules, AZ, but I don't think anyone has to down the ball, but wouldn't put any money on that opinion.

As for Wisconsin, even if they go unbeaten, I can't see the committee leapfrogging over Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame or Oklahoma if they don't lose any more (assuming GA and AL play in SEC c'ship and it's close).  Wisconsin will have beaten only one top 25 team at most.  Not an impressive resume.

If the top 4 win out (with Georgia and Alabama obviously having 1 loss when they play for the SEC), there's no way that the committee overlooks Notre Dame. A Notre Dame vs Alabama final is the stuff CFB dreams are made off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2017, 04:25:08 PM
Until they actually play other - and we remember the last time that happened

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_BCS_National_Championship_Game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 08, 2017, 04:12:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 08, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: TabClear on November 08, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2017, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 06, 2017, 12:56:05 AM
Another crazy and in the Seattle game. Great stones from Cousins.

The chiefs scored with an absolutely brilliant disguised play against the cowboys

That KC play was excellent, really enjoyed watching it.

Great to see something different. Is it just me or are there much fewer trick plays this year like fake punts, direct snaps etc.  I have not seen as many live games this year as normal so it may be the highlights shows only show the successful ones but it does seem that coaches are being more cautious.

Read something the other day that since training camp 12 teams have had to make alternative plans with their starting QB, so the playbook gets shrunk somewhat when you have a backup starting. Hundley the prime example the other day for Packers v Lions, think his furthest throw travelled 9 yards, and most of them where under 5 yds. Might be something to do with it

Hundley has been a terrible disappointment and would make you believe Stew's contention that the Packers are badly coached. A guy that they obviously rate who is 3 years in their system should be able to do more. I hope I'm not teeing him up to go off on Sunday!!!!

The more he plays the less he is worth in trade value
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2017, 05:26:16 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 08, 2017, 04:18:00 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 05, 2017, 01:07:51 AM
Not up on the rules, AZ, but I don't think anyone has to down the ball, but wouldn't put any money on that opinion.

As for Wisconsin, even if they go unbeaten, I can't see the committee leapfrogging over Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame or Oklahoma if they don't lose any more (assuming GA and AL play in SEC c'ship and it's close).  Wisconsin will have beaten only one top 25 team at most.  Not an impressive resume.

If the top 4 win out (with Georgia and Alabama obviously having 1 loss when they play for the SEC), there's no way that the committee overlooks Notre Dame. A Notre Dame vs Alabama final is the stuff CFB dreams are made off.

It is if Alabama don't blow them out like they did back in 2012. Shudder.

If the top 4 all win out, they are probably in (obviously notwithstanding Alabama or Georgia picking up a loss versus each other), but Oklahoma will be fairly pissed off if they beat Ohio State, Oklahoma State, TCU and Oklahoma St or TCU again in the title game in the Big XII. Likewise Wisconsin if they remain unbeaten, but strength of schedule probably will keep them out if all the others maintain. Washington is another sneaky one. They have 1 loss at the moment, and will likely have to beat Stanford and USC to win the PAC 12, so if there is carnage elsewhere they might get in. There's going to be several twists in the road before then though, and I still find it hard to believe ND will go unbeaten all the way.

Another factor is how the teams ND beat get on between now and the end. The strength of schedule weakens with every loss NC State, USC, Michigan State and Stanford take. Now beating Miami this weekend would be serious, but ND has no conference championship game, so it needs the strength of schedule to look as strong at the end as it does now. Barring mitigating factors like QBs being injured or whatever, The committee looks at the strength of schedule of the teams as they do each ranking, not the ranking of the team when you played them. So if USC, Stanford and NC State, for example, fall out of the top 25, those wins are diminished. This is very important for teams without Conference championship games. The criteria states that where a non-conference champion is being ranked versus a conference champion, the committee has to believe the non-champion is UNEQUIVOCALLY better than the conference champion. This is what they used last year for Ohio State to out rank Penn State. This year, if the head to head is not applicable, say Georgia ND, or Georgia Alabama, or ND Miami, then they will be looking at strength of schedule, and a Big 12 Champion with 1 loss, but wins away to Ohio State, away to Oklahoma State and versus TCU and one of those teams again, will be hard to top for Strength of Schedule. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 08, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
Auburn would be very hard to ignore with wins against Georgia x2 and Bama. That would really make a mess of things.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2017, 06:11:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 08, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
Auburn would be very hard to ignore with wins against Georgia x2 and Bama. That would really make a mess of things.

Absolutely, I meant to say that. And likewise they might help free up a spot. If Auburn beat Georgia this weekend, and then lose to Alabama, and then Alabama beats Georgia, suddenly you have a 2 loss Georgia which probably doesn't get in.

Auburn is a very dangerous 2 loss team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2017, 06:53:53 PM
Here's my prediction :)

Notre Dame loses this weekend in Miami, and are out.
Miami loses the ACC Championship game to Clemson.
Auburn beats Georgia this weekend.
Alabama beats Auburn next weekend. (I think)
Alabama beat Georgia in SEC game.
Oklahoma beats TCU, and either OK State or TCU  in the Big XII game.
Washington to win the PAC12 North, and beat USC in the PAC 12 game.
Ohio State to beat Wisconsin in the Big 10 game.

So 12-1 Washington is PAC 12 Champion
12-1 Oklahoma is Big XII Champion
11-2 Ohio State is Big 10 Champion
13-0 Alabama is SEC Champion
12-1 Clemson is ACC Champion.

Oklahoma, Alabama, Clemson and either Washington/Georgia or Ohio State gets in.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 08, 2017, 07:22:35 PM
AZ, thanks for raising my hopes that Ohio State still has a shot, though I think their goose is cooked.

If your scenario plays out, even though Georgia is a top 4 team, I think the committee will give the nod to a 12-1 PAC team. Has a PAC team yet to appear in the Final Four?

Very tough road ahead for Auburn, and if they pull it off, forget the games and just crown them champs.

Think ND will beat Miami which will throw a huge scanner into your works.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2017, 07:29:25 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 08, 2017, 07:22:35 PM
AZ, thanks for raising my hopes that Ohio State still has a shot, though I think their goose is cooked.

If your scenario plays out, even though Georgia is a top 4 team, I think the committee will give the nod to a 12-1 PAC team. Has a PAC team yet to appear in the Final Four?

Very tough road ahead for Auburn, and if they pull it off, forget the games and just crown them champs.

Think ND will beat Miami which will throw a huge scanner into your works.

Washington were in it last year as a 1 loss champion. Were Stanford in it the first year when big 12 missed out.

Edit, it was Oregon in the first year with Marcus Mariotta

Oh yeah, and you're guaranteed at least 2 or 3 of the above won't happen. I'd love ND to win out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 08, 2017, 07:52:30 PM
Speaking of ND - 42 years ago today - the film made it look a lot more memorable than it was  ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/ag5HGGz.gif)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 08, 2017, 07:58:45 PM
Still a great story. That he actually got a sack is class.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 08, 2017, 08:01:02 PM
I'd be surprised if a 2 loss team makes it through.
I think ND will beat Miami, they have had a much tougher schedule to date, have been tested and bar a 1pt loss vs Georgia have been impressive vs ranked teams.

I get the feeling this is all a bit secondary as no-one will come close to Bama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 08, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 08, 2017, 08:01:02 PM
I'd be surprised if a 2 loss team makes it through.
I think ND will beat Miami, they have had a much tougher schedule to date, have been tested and bar a 1pt loss vs Georgia have been impressive vs ranked teams.

I get the feeling this is all a bit secondary as no-one will come close to Bama.

Bama's defensive front is seriously beat up.

If Auburn win out it's hard to make any case for them not being in because one of their losses was a tight one in Clemson and the other was a trip to Death Valley.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 08, 2017, 11:24:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 08, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 08, 2017, 08:01:02 PM
I'd be surprised if a 2 loss team makes it through.
I think ND will beat Miami, they have had a much tougher schedule to date, have been tested and bar a 1pt loss vs Georgia have been impressive vs ranked teams.

I get the feeling this is all a bit secondary as no-one will come close to Bama.

Bama's defensive front is seriously beat up.

If Auburn win out it's hard to make any case for them not being in because one of their losses was a tight one against Clemson and the other was a trip to Death Valley.

Bullshit! Two losses and you should get in if they had an eight team play off, they dont, top four should never have a two loss team in the top four.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on November 10, 2017, 04:35:15 PM
Scary stuff


Doctors reveal tragic NFL star Aaron Hernandez, who died aged 27, suffered most severe case of brain disease 'ever'

Aaron Hernandez, the former New England Patriots star who took his life while serving a life sentence for murder, suffered from the most severe case of CTE ever discovered in a person his age, medical researchers have declared.

The damage found in the 27-year-old would significantly affect his decision-making, judgment and cognitive functions, researchers from Boston University revealed.

Hernandez was suffering from the degenerative brain disease CTE when he killed himself, a post-mortem stated earlier this year.

Hernandez, who played three seasons in the NFL, was found guilty of the first-degree murder of Odin Lloyd by a court in Massachusetts in 2015, a verdict which carries the mandatory penalty of life with no prospect of parole.

He was discovered dead in his cell in April this year, his death ruled as suicide, just days after being acquitted of two other murders in 2012.

Aaron Hernandez wearing a suit and tie looking at the camera: Credits: Boston Globe© Provided by Trinity Mirror Shared Services Limited Credits: Boston Globe 
His brain has been studied by neuropathologist Dr Ann McKee, whose research led the NFL to last year acknowledge the link between the sport and CTE.

McKee believes Hernandez's brain is "one of the most significant contributions to our work."

Her diagnosis found that Hernandez had Stage 3 chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) - which researchers had never before seen in a brain younger than 46 years old.

"In this age group, he's clearly at the severe end of the spectrum," McKee said. "There is a concern that we're seeing accelerated disease in young athletes.

"Whether or not that's because they're playing more aggressively or if they're starting at younger ages, we don't know.

"But we are seeing ravages of this disease, in this specific example, of a young person."
 
McKee could not say definitively whether his brain was representative of someone of a similar age who may have also played a similar amount of football. However, she made clear that she found the level of CTE suffered alarming.

Hernandez's brain was shown to have suffered significant damage to the frontal lobe, which impacts decision making, impulse control and the ability to moderate behaviour.

"We can't take the pathology and explain the behavior," McKee continued. "But we can say collectively, in our collective experience, that individuals with CTE, and CTE of this severity, have difficulty with impulse control, decision-making, inhibition of impulses for aggression, emotional volatility, rage behaviors. We know that collectively."

There were also large holes in other parts of the brain, while the hippocampus - which is integral to moving information from short-term memory to long-term memory - had shrunk.

"We've never seen this in our 468 brains, except in individuals some 20 years older," added McKee. "We're hoping this will advance medical science in a very significant way. This will really accelerate and advance our research going forward."

It was also acknowledged that Hernandez had a genetic marker that made him more vulnerable to certain brain diseases, and may have contributed to how quickly he developed CTE. "It may explain some of his susceptibility to this disease."

The findings released on Thursday will continue American Football's ongoing concussion crisis.

Hernandez was seen as one of the game's brightest young hopes when the Patriots handed him a seven-year $40million contract.

However, it is hoped that Hernandez's brain will lead to future breakthroughs and better understanding of CTE.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2017, 09:37:00 AM
Down goes Washington, beaten by Stanford. That finally nails the PAC 12 and is great news for other 2 loss teams like Auburn and Ohio State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 11, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
a lot of the liberals on here must have played a few seasons in the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 11, 2017, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 11, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
a lot of the liberals on here must have played a few seasons in the NFL

Get out of here with that US political terminology shíte.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 11, 2017, 03:56:50 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 11, 2017, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 11, 2017, 03:21:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
a lot of the liberals on here must have played a few seasons in the NFL

Get out of here with that US political terminology shíte.
should u not be watching Miami Ohio vs Toledo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 11, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
Auburn 16-7 up against Georgia at the half. Fromm being tested (and failing) with the rushing game locked down, while Georgia's own previously stingy rushing defensive has given up big chunks to Johnson. Auburn winning here would really make things interesting nationwide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 11, 2017, 10:52:29 PM
Anyone see this? Minnesota high school team come back from 27-10 down with a minute left to win.

https://deadspin.com/high-school-football-team-wins-game-by-scoring-19-point-1820330610/amp
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 11, 2017, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 11, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
Auburn 16-7 up against Georgia at the half. Fromm being tested (and failing) with the rushing game locked down, while Georgia's own previously stingy rushing defensive has given up big chunks to Johnson. Auburn winning here would really make things interesting nationwide.

Auburn look great tonight. This makes Georgia very vulnerable all of a sudden and Auburn are right back in it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 12:07:52 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 11, 2017, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 11, 2017, 10:37:13 PM
Auburn 16-7 up against Georgia at the half. Fromm being tested (and failing) with the rushing game locked down, while Georgia's own previously stingy rushing defensive has given up big chunks to Johnson. Auburn winning here would really make things interesting nationwide.

Auburn look great tonight. This makes Georgia very vulnerable all of a sudden and Auburn are right back in it.

40-17 FT.

Serious hurtin' to put on the #1 team in the nation, according to the CFP voters. Means the Iron Bowl in two weeks should be a CFP quarter-final in all but name. Iron Bowls are always great ocassions but when both teams are in late November with live national title hopes it's something special. The Tigers coming good at the right time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 02:44:21 AM
Alabama look in trouble, the Irish down 20-zip and Geogia beat, could 1,2 and 3 really go down tonight, crazy wonderful game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 02:48:22 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 02:44:21 AM
Alabama look in trouble, the Irish down 20-zip and Geogia beat, could 1,2 and 3 really go down tonight, crazy wonderful game

Mostly due to injuries on defense for Bama. Driving with a quarter to go and only seven down, I wouldn't be sending up the white smoke yet. Auburn beat Miss State without breaking a sweat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 03:01:17 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 02:48:22 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 02:44:21 AM
Alabama look in trouble, the Irish down 20-zip and Geogia beat, could 1,2 and 3 really go down tonight, crazy wonderful game

Mostly due to injuries on defense for Bama. Driving with a quarter to go and only seven down, I wouldn't be sending up the white smoke yet. Auburn beat Miss State without breaking a sweat.

All levels now, will be a good final 10 mins if miss state do anything here, looks like the sooners gonna be the big winners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 03:23:17 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 03:01:17 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 02:48:22 AM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 02:44:21 AM
Alabama look in trouble, the Irish down 20-zip and Geogia beat, could 1,2 and 3 really go down tonight, crazy wonderful game

Mostly due to injuries on defense for Bama. Driving with a quarter to go and only seven down, I wouldn't be sending up the white smoke yet. Auburn beat Miss State without breaking a sweat.

All levels now, will be a good final 10 mins if miss state do anything here, looks like the sooners gonna be the big winners

Bama are a different breed to Georgia, ND, OK. There's a reason they're probably the greatest dynasty in the history of college football.

All roads lead to the Iron Bowl now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 12, 2017, 03:42:19 AM
My limited knowledge agrees, however some shocking calls I thought from the MS coaches, surely he should have went for it 4th and 4 on the 49 against such a good team. Also that PI at the end why wasnt it put at the 1 ala NFL-forgive my ignorance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on November 12, 2017, 03:56:42 AM
Notre Dame are the Liverpool of College Football.
Or the Armagh of college football
Or the Ireland of college football
Or the Ballyhegan of college football.

Anyway, flatter to deceive again please...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on November 12, 2017, 06:08:18 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
I think you're right J70. Like a mentally ill person who commits a crime it's impossible to know how much control or rational choice was there. Would any of the damage have shown up on a brain scan? Might be a legal defense if it did. I heard Alan Shearer talking about going for a brain scan to check for damage as part of the documentary about brain injury in soccer(mainly from the pov of heading a ball i think) that will be aired tonight.

Not sure if combat veterans sustain many concussions nowadays.  ;) You might have been thinking of BA Baracas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 12, 2017, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 12, 2017, 06:08:18 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
I think you're right J70. Like a mentally ill person who commits a crime it's impossible to know how much control or rational choice was there. Would any of the damage have shown up on a brain scan? Might be a legal defense if it did. I heard Alan Shearer talking about going for a brain scan to check for damage as part of the documentary about brain injury in soccer(mainly from the pov of heading a ball i think) that will be aired tonight.

Not sure if combat veterans sustain many concussions nowadays.  ;) You might have been thinking of BA Baracas.

Wisconsin powering on, what do they have to do to get in, strength of schedule poor but they beat the 25th ranked team yesterday like they were a D3 team..

ND finished for the playoffs, Bama drop, surely the Badgers deserve a spot at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 12, 2017, 06:08:18 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
I think you're right J70. Like a mentally ill person who commits a crime it's impossible to know how much control or rational choice was there. Would any of the damage have shown up on a brain scan? Might be a legal defense if it did. I heard Alan Shearer talking about going for a brain scan to check for damage as part of the documentary about brain injury in soccer(mainly from the pov of heading a ball i think) that will be aired tonight.

Not sure if combat veterans sustain many concussions nowadays.  ;) You might have been thinking of BA Baracas.

Wisconsin powering on, what do they have to do to get in, strength of schedule poor but they beat the 25th ranked team yesterday like they were a D3 team..

ND finished for the playoffs, Bama drop, surely the Badgers deserve a spot at this stage.

Alabama won on the road in the SEC against the #16 team in the nation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 12, 2017, 01:02:05 PM
I presume he meant Georgia drop.


Only Washington screwed up my predictions so far :)

hegan, what's your issue with Notre Dame? I like Notre Dame, obviously the fighting Irish thing was a hook for me but I visited the campus, have been at 3 games and I really like the whole Notre Dame attitude to football. I love their history, but I also like the fact that they have high standards. Same reason I like and admire Stanford and Penn State for example.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 01:08:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 12, 2017, 01:02:05 PM
I presume he meant Georgia drop.


Only Washington screwed up my predictions so far :)

hegan, what's your issue with Notre Dame? I like Notre Dame, obviously the fighting Irish thing was a hook for me but I visited the campus, have been at 3 games and I really like the whole Notre Dame attitude to football. I love their history, but I also like the fact that they have high standards. Same reason I like and admire Stanford and Penn State for example.

I was with you until you brought Penn State into it. Disgusting program and an equally disgusting fan-base. Nothing worse than an organisation that pretends to have morals for the cameras but are bankrupt in reality.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 12, 2017, 01:11:12 PM
The whole Sandusky thing was a monumental screw up, and the program has been tainted without doubt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on November 12, 2017, 01:17:33 PM
Just catching up. #1 georgia and #3 ND soundly beaten and #2 Bama and #4 Clemson just about won. There's something about Miami, their history, the swag, the turnover chain etc that I love. Great chance now to get to the final 4. They'll have clemson for the ACC title and the winners of that will be in anyway. Auburn are another to watch - I can see them working their way in.

I'll call the last 4 as Alabama, Miami, Auburn and oklahoma
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 12, 2017, 01:58:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 12:40:31 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 10:39:20 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on November 12, 2017, 06:08:18 AM
Quote from: J70 on November 11, 2017, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 10, 2017, 05:04:13 PM
People attributed Chris Benoit's crimes to steroids at first but head injuries seems far more likely a cause. It doesn't do anything to exonerate Hernandez but it does help explain it and if anything makes it even more tragic.

When you see Tom Brady's wife slipping up and disclosing he had concussions that were never reported,  and him being both at the most protected position in football and totally financially secure, can you imagine what the lad with a vet minimum contract and no guaranteed money will do to avoid being reported for a head injury?

Could it NOT affect his guilt though? His diminished control of impulses, rage, decision making etc., after all, are directly related to what he did. It's not like he got coked up and did it. He had an undiagnosed disease which unfortunately can only be detected post mortem. This stuff is going to pose difficulties for the justice system in the future, whether it's athletes or combat veterans or whatever. "My client had X number of severe concussions. We fear he may have brain disease and cannot be proven, conclusively, beyond all doubt, to be fully responsible".

If the case studies and research are there, how can the justice system ignore it? But if and individual can only be proven to be a sufferer post mortem...?
I think you're right J70. Like a mentally ill person who commits a crime it's impossible to know how much control or rational choice was there. Would any of the damage have shown up on a brain scan? Might be a legal defense if it did. I heard Alan Shearer talking about going for a brain scan to check for damage as part of the documentary about brain injury in soccer(mainly from the pov of heading a ball i think) that will be aired tonight.

Not sure if combat veterans sustain many concussions nowadays.  ;) You might have been thinking of BA Baracas.

Wisconsin powering on, what do they have to do to get in, strength of schedule poor but they beat the 25th ranked team yesterday like they were a D3 team..

ND finished for the playoffs, Bama drop, surely the Badgers deserve a spot at this stage.

Alabama won on the road in the SEC against the #16 team in the nation.

They did, I now that, they just got over the line and have lost that air of invincibility they had, Wisconsin are still undefeated and steamrolled the 25th ranked team, Georgia actually lost as well, how the hell do the Badgers not get in?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 12, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
Right, Bears V Pack, if the pack can win this one against all the odds Da Bears  do still suck
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 12, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
Nothing like a sweeping generalisation, eh Syf?

Morals? Tell me about Auburn's recruitment of Cam again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on November 12, 2017, 03:51:09 PM
I was at the Miami game last night, my ears are still ringing it was so loud in there. Adding the roof to the stadium had made a big difference to the atmosphere. Looks like the Canes are back finally!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 12, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
Nothing like a sweeping generalisation, eh Syf?

Morals? Tell me about Auburn's recruitment of Cam again.

I don't remember Chiznik covering up any serial pedophiles on his staff. Must have missed that part.

Trying to compare recruitment (that every big program engages in, let's be fûcking honest) to what happened at Penn State is absolutely abhorrent.

The response to the scandal by vast swathes of Penn State alumni and general fan-base left almost as bitter a taste in the mouth. They're falling over themselves to try to normalize Paterno's legacy already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 12, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
Another big win for the vikings today on the road in Washington. Keenum had a big game at quarterback with 4 touchdowns and 300 yards passing. It keeps them ahead of the chasing packers and lions by 2 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on November 13, 2017, 07:21:31 AM
Shock... the 49er's are working hard to lose pole position in next years draft. Who said winning is everything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 13, 2017, 08:18:18 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 12, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
Another big win for the vikings today on the road in Washington. Keenum had a big game at quarterback with 4 touchdowns and 300 yards passing. It keeps them ahead of the chasing packers and lions by 2 games.

Handiest NFC title they will ever win, as long as they dont win it all I will be happy enough, oh and da bears still suck!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 13, 2017, 08:29:57 PM
All right! With the 49ers' win, our #1 pick in the draft is secure.  Go Browns!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 13, 2017, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 13, 2017, 08:29:57 PM
All right! With the 49ers' win, our #1 pick in the draft is secure.  Go Browns!

Probably trade it away !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 15, 2017, 02:47:07 AM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 15, 2017, 03:37:06 AM
And after them:

7. Georgia (9-1)
8. Notre Dame (8-2)
9. Ohio State (8-2)
10. Penn State (8-2)

Some key match-ups ahead including

Clemson vs Miami
TCU (ranked 12) vs Oklahoma
Wisconsin vs Michigan and then Ohio State
Ohio State vs Michigan and then Wisconsin
Auburn vs Alabama and then perhaps Georgia
Notre Dame vs Stanford

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 15, 2017, 08:31:08 AM
My outside bet is still on. If Alabama beat Auburn in two weeks, and then beat Georgia in the SEC game, Alabama will be number 1. (If Auburn wins that game, it's carnage because they'd have to be in as a 2 loss SEC champion assuming they beat Georgia again).

I think Oklahoma are in if they win out.

The winners of Miami-Clemson (assuming Clemson don't shite the bed against South Carolina this weekend) will be in, but I don't think both will be when all is said and done.

And if Ohio State win out,and beat Wisconsin in the Big 10 game, I can see them sneaking in again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
Right, Bears V Pack, if the pack can win this one against all the odds Da Bears  do still suck

Very disappointing from Da Bears. Really expected them to win this one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on November 15, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
Right, Bears V Pack, if the pack can win this one against all the odds Da Bears  do still suck

Very disappointing from Da Bears. Really expected them to win this one.


They are a tired franchise that find ways to lose, the packers have a legacy of winning and now and again find a way to win wins they should not win, this was one such game, the Bears should be able to duff the pack at present, they never came close and da bears still suck!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on November 15, 2017, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
Right, Bears V Pack, if the pack can win this one against all the odds Da Bears  do still suck

Very disappointing from Da Bears. Really expected them to win this one.


They are a tired franchise that find ways to lose, the packers have a legacy of winning and now and again find a way to win wins they should not win, this was one such game, the Bears should be able to duff the pack at present, they never came close and da bears still suck!

Are you old enough to remember the Packers pre favre? They were fairly shite form Lombardi to Farve and Rodgers is starting to crack physically so yeah Da Bears suck at the moment but the arrow is pointing up for the first time since the early 2000's.
I am sure 49ers fans thought it would never end when Steve Young was getting on and see how that has turned out for them!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
How 'bout dem Tigers? It's in their own hands for sure now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 15, 2017, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
How 'bout dem Tigers? It's in their own hands for sure now.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 15, 2017, 02:49:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
How 'bout dem Tigers? It's in their own hands for sure now.

Yep #2 is very impressive for Clemson
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 15, 2017, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
Right, Bears V Pack, if the pack can win this one against all the odds Da Bears  do still suck

Very disappointing from Da Bears. Really expected them to win this one.


They are a tired franchise that find ways to lose, the packers have a legacy of winning and now and again find a way to win wins they should not win, this was one such game, the Bears should be able to duff the pack at present, they never came close and da bears still suck!

Are you old enough to remember the Packers pre favre? They were fairly shite form Lombardi to Farve and Rodgers is starting to crack physically so yeah Da Bears suck at the moment but the arrow is pointing up for the first time since the early 2000's.
I am sure 49ers fans thought it would never end when Steve Young was getting on and see how that has turned out for them!!

Yeah. When I first started watching NFL the Packers were a joke. They are missing Rodgers (and some linemen) but the Bears are missing numerous starters on both sides of the ball and have a rookie QB who has no one to throw the ball to. I'm optimistic things are going in the right direction but that was a gut punch....Bears have already beaten better teams than GB this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on November 15, 2017, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 15, 2017, 02:25:07 PM
Quote from: stew on November 15, 2017, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 15, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
Quote from: stew on November 12, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
Right, Bears V Pack, if the pack can win this one against all the odds Da Bears  do still suck

Very disappointing from Da Bears. Really expected them to win this one.


They are a tired franchise that find ways to lose, the packers have a legacy of winning and now and again find a way to win wins they should not win, this was one such game, the Bears should be able to duff the pack at present, they never came close and da bears still suck!

Are you old enough to remember the Packers pre favre? They were fairly shite form Lombardi to Farve and Rodgers is starting to crack physically so yeah Da Bears suck at the moment but the arrow is pointing up for the first time since the early 2000's.
I am sure 49ers fans thought it would never end when Steve Young was getting on and see how that has turned out for them!!

Yeah. When I first started watching NFL the Packers were a joke. They are missing Rodgers (and some linemen) but the Bears are missing numerous starters on both sides of the ball and have a rookie QB who has no one to throw the ball to. I'm optimistic things are going in the right direction but that was a gut punch....Bears have already beaten better teams than GB this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svKnBxJz6bM , Even a Vince Evans led Bears used to hammer the Pack pre Farve!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on November 15, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Outside 'Bama at #1 it's too hard to predict but
Winner of Miami/Clemson will get in
Oklahoma should get in
Then its a toss up with a lot of if's
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 15, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Outside 'Bama at #1 it's too hard to predict but
Winner of Miami/Clemson will get in
Oklahoma should get in
Then its a toss up with a lot of if's

If the Tide play anything like they did at Miss State they'll be creamed travelling to Jordan-Hare.

I want to see what the committee will do with a one loss non-SEC champion Tide. A few years ago LSU beat them and won the SEC title but still got in to the national title game under the old system, winning the title.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 15, 2017, 07:38:53 PM
I'm curious to know what the final four will be if TCU upsets Oklahoma and Ohio State wins out.

Your question about Bama is a good one, Syf.  Assuming they don't get crushed by Auburn, I still think they're worthy of inclusion in the top four, but I'm not on the committee.  If TCU pulls off a win over Oklahoma, then I'm pretty sure the Tide still makes it.  If Oklahoma wins, then it gets really interesting.  Would the committee elevate a Big 10 champion, for example, over a 1-loss Tide.  I think they would because conference championships appear to be scale tippers to the committee.  I think that ND's not vying for a conference title will hurt them, or as one commentator put it, it won't be negative points against them but conference champs seem to get bonus points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 15, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 15, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Outside 'Bama at #1 it's too hard to predict but
Winner of Miami/Clemson will get in
Oklahoma should get in
Then its a toss up with a lot of if's

If the Tide play anything like they did at Miss State they'll be creamed travelling to Jordan-Hare.

I want to see what the committee will do with a one loss non-SEC champion Tide. A few years ago LSU beat them and won the SEC title but still got in to the national title game under the old system, winning the title.

Can they be a one loss champion though? If Auburn beats them, will Auburn not win the West? And if they lose to Georgia they'll obviously not be champion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 08:36:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 15, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 15, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on November 15, 2017, 05:57:57 PM
Outside 'Bama at #1 it's too hard to predict but
Winner of Miami/Clemson will get in
Oklahoma should get in
Then its a toss up with a lot of if's

If the Tide play anything like they did at Miss State they'll be creamed travelling to Jordan-Hare.

I want to see what the committee will do with a one loss non-SEC champion Tide. A few years ago LSU beat them and won the SEC title but still got in to the national title game under the old system, winning the title.

Can they be a one loss champion though? If Auburn beats them, will Auburn not win the West? And if they lose to Georgia they'll obviously not be champion.

I mean Bama would be a one-loss team and not the SEC champions - Auburn wins out they win the SEC West, same goes for Bama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2017, 08:08:25 AM
Ah yes, I read that wrong. I thought you said you wanted to see what they'd do with a one loss SEC champion. That's what I meant by carnage. If Auburn wins the SEC, Alabama will still be in with one loss I bet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 16, 2017, 12:26:16 PM
Also - forgot to mention that the game changing challenge that Fox made had a huge impact. I think Fox and co deserve a good bit of credit for turning around the Bears, especially on defence, but that was a crazy decision to challenge. The ball was on the 1 yard line for 1st and goal and you have Jordan Howard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 16, 2017, 12:34:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 16, 2017, 12:26:16 PM
Also - forgot to mention that the game changing challenge that Fox made had a huge impact. I think Fox and co deserve a good bit of credit for turning around the Bears, especially on defence, but that was a crazy decision to challenge. The ball was on the 1 yard line for 1st and goal and you have Jordan Howard.

Yup but I do have some sympathy for him on that -I'm still not convinced he fumbled it until afterwards
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 16, 2017, 01:30:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.

They're a much better team with a good defence this season. That's progress. To suggest otherwise is bull. Fox has also won the AFC and NFC Championship game as a coach and brought Vic Fangio who is one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL. Fox has a winning record everywhere bar Chicago which to be fair was a mess when he took over. Made 4 successive AFC Championship games with the Broncos. I do think Fox will go after this season, that defeat last weekend probably tipped things irreversibly against him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 16, 2017, 02:16:54 PM
Not sure what more Fox can do with the tools at his disposal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.

Sure just google the info about Chicago's last five seasons and the changes that happened and you will soon be an expert on Da Bears under Fox just like you are now an Auburn alum!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.

Sure just google the info about Chicago's last five seasons and the changes that happened and you will soon be an expert on Da Bears under Fox just like you are now an Auburn alum!!

Eh? I've actually attended Auburn games.

He shoots and he misses..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.

Sure just google the info about Chicago's last five seasons and the changes that happened and you will soon be an expert on Da Bears under Fox just like you are now an Auburn alum!!

Eh? I've actually attended Auburn games.

He shoots and he misses..

You will have to forgive me if I find that hard to believe!

You don't work in I.T. systems management or computer coding by any chance?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 16, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.

Sure just google the info about Chicago's last five seasons and the changes that happened and you will soon be an expert on Da Bears under Fox just like you are now an Auburn alum!!
war eagle syf

Eh? I've actually attended Auburn games.

He shoots and he misses..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 05:35:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 16, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 16, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Is a 12-28 record what passes for turning it around in Chicago? Fox, like Jeff Fisher before him, is one of the coaches I'm continually amazed stays employed.

Sure just google the info about Chicago's last five seasons and the changes that happened and you will soon be an expert on Da Bears under Fox just like you are now an Auburn alum!!

Eh? I've actually attended Auburn games.

He shoots and he misses..

You will have to forgive me if I find that hard to believe!

You don't work in I.T. systems management or computer coding by any chance?

Cuz I felt like making you look like an ass..

My 2010 National Champions commemorative cup:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4577/26694911739_3f5c751be3_b.jpg)


The FAU-Auburn game in the 2011 season I got it at:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4550/37755776734_3aff2452a1_b.jpg)

What's with the second question? Do you want me to root out my degrees too?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 19, 2017, 11:33:15 PM
Another big win for the vikings against the Rams tonight. 24-7 against one of the highest scoring teams in the NFL. The Lions scraped a win tonight to stay in touch. The division outcome could be as good as decided next week when the vikings play the lions in Detroit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
Nathan Peterman throws five Ints in the first half, it would be comical if it wasn't a totally self-inflicted injury by a team owning a wild card spot entering the weekend.

Tyrod Taylor really needs to tell the Bills to fùck off in the off-season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2017, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
Nathan Peterman throws five Ints in the first half, it would be comical if it wasn't a totally self-inflicted injury by a team owning a wild card spot entering the weekend.

Tyrod Taylor really needs to tell the Bills to fùck off in the off-season.

Unreal. Why would you do that to a young lad? After the 2nd or 3rd he should have been out of there, notwithstanding the crazy decision to start him in the first place.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2017, 12:26:24 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2017, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Syferus on November 19, 2017, 11:42:42 PM
Nathan Peterman throws five Ints in the first half, it would be comical if it wasn't a totally self-inflicted injury by a team owning a wild card spot entering the weekend.

Tyrod Taylor really needs to tell the Bills to fùck off in the off-season.

Unreal. Why would you do that to a young lad? After the 2nd or 3rd he should have been out of there, notwithstanding the crazy decision to start him in the first place.

The Bills want to ditch Tyrod as they'll have to pay him to keep him after this season. They (rightly in my eyes) don't see him as a franchise QB and will draft a rookie from this promising class in 2018. That's no reason to do what they did - Taylor is a functional mid tier QB who tends not to turn the ball over. It was bonkers. In fantasy played the Chargers in any league I could get them in or didn't have Jacksonville. People who followed Peterman in college said he wasn't great even there!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
He transferred from Tennessee to Pittsburgh, which is a bit of a red flag. But now I hope he makes it, because that was just too cruel.

PS re Taylor, he's above average in fairness but I don't think he's a top tier QB. That said, he's better than anything the Cardinals have now, so if they don't get anyone in the draft, I'd like to see them get him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 20, 2017, 01:23:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
He transferred from Tennessee to Pittsburgh, which is a bit of a red flag. But now I hope he makes it, because that was just too cruel.

PS re Taylor, he's above average in fairness but I don't think he's a top tier QB. That said, he's better than anything the Cardinals have now, so if they don't get anyone in the draft, I'd like to see them get him.

Yeah he is probably above average, he has no weapons, WR group is brutal, Benjamin may help but I think he got injured again yesterday. Think he is due $6m next year with Bills, which would be affordable for the Bills, when you look at what Glennon, for example, got with Chicago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2017, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2017, 01:23:49 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2017, 12:43:14 PM
He transferred from Tennessee to Pittsburgh, which is a bit of a red flag. But now I hope he makes it, because that was just too cruel.

PS re Taylor, he's above average in fairness but I don't think he's a top tier QB. That said, he's better than anything the Cardinals have now, so if they don't get anyone in the draft, I'd like to see them get him.

Yeah he is probably above average, he has no weapons, WR group is brutal, Benjamin may help but I think he got injured again yesterday. Think he is due $6m next year with Bills, which would be affordable for the Bills, when you look at what Glennon, for example, got with Chicago.

Yeah but I just think teams are seeing Dak Prescott, Carson Wentz, Jared Goff and what they're getting paid and saying - we can save money here. I quite like Tyrod Taylor. If everything else was right you could go far with him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 20, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
Ex Pats & Cowboys WR Terry Glenn killled in car crash
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 20, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
http://amp.si.com/college-football/2017/11/16/shaquem-griffin-hand-ucf-nfl-draft

Pretty cool and inspiring story about Seahawks rookie CB Shaquill Griffin's brother, Shaquem. Hand his left hand amputated as a kid but was DPOY in the AAC last year and could well be in his way to the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 23, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
When you have the the Vikings -7.5 they're on the 13 with a chip shot to go 10 up. Flipping offside and they ice the game with the 1st down. ffs sickener, anyway happy thanksgiving lol
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 23, 2017, 11:50:00 PM
That was a really dramatic finish to the game even if you didn't have money on. What you forgot to mention was the lions blocked the field goal and returned the ball for a game tying touchdown before being called back for offside.

So the Vikings held on for a 30-23 win and a 3 game lead in the division.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2017, 08:35:00 AM
Lions also seemed to forget that you can return blocked extra points as well. That could have brought them another 2 points.

Did you see the state of the LA Punter trying field goals on the side. He missed the net apparently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 24, 2017, 10:27:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2017, 08:35:00 AM
Lions also seemed to forget that you can return blocked extra points as well. That could have brought them another 2 points.

Did you see the state of the LA Punter trying field goals on the side. He missed the net apparently.

Novak missed the first and got hurt.  The camera showed the punter as backup missing the practice net and then immediately cut to them going for it on 4th and 13 with the game still at 0-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2017, 10:29:57 AM
Yeah I knew Novak got hurt, but I think most teams would hope their punter could at least hit a 25 yard field goal, instead of going for 4th and 13!

Mind you I think he kicked one later on?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 24, 2017, 10:53:44 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2017, 10:29:57 AM
Yeah I knew Novak got hurt, but I think most teams would hope their punter could at least hit a 25 yard field goal, instead of going for 4th and 13!

Mind you I think he kicked one later on?

I was in and out of the game but he missed two PATs later on. They actually brought Novak back out to kick their third FG attempt and he made it from short but he must have been sat after that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 24, 2017, 10:57:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2017, 10:29:57 AM
Yeah I knew Novak got hurt, but I think most teams would hope their punter could at least hit a 25 yard field goal, instead of going for 4th and 13!

Mind you I think he kicked one later on?

It was a comedy. Romo ripped the piss out of him when they showed the footage of him missing the kicking net. He missed a couple of PAT's - typical Chargers. Should have been going for 2 points if the replacement kicker was so bad. Despite the Chargers showing their innate penchant for cutting their own throats it must be said they're looking good. For a team that started 0-4 to be in playoff contention is pretty impressive. Rivers at times last night and in recent weeks has looked really good. Some boyo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2017, 09:35:27 PM
that's probably Miami out of the CFP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 24, 2017, 09:56:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 24, 2017, 09:35:27 PM
that's probably Miami out of the CFP

Not a chance. With Miami playing Clemson in the ACC title game the winner is definitely in the CFP. The outside chance of a one loss Miami making it without their conference title is over, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 24, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
Can't believe I have to root for Alabama over Auburn if the Buckeyes have any hope of making the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
Don't watch much a college football but the final few mins of the UCF - South Florida game is crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 12:23:28 AM
The aforementioned one-handed Shaquem Griffin recovers a fumble to close it out as South Florida were marching back up the field.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 12:27:08 AM
Florida have three good second tier U's now with USF, UCF and Lane Kiffin on the cusp of bringing FAU to its best ever season and a Conference USA title to boot. If any of them - particularly the two that played tonight - can eventually find a way into a Power 5 conference they could really make a mark on college football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
Horrific first quarter for the Bucks!  Down 14-0. 3 punts, no first downs.

Finally, an OSU TD, but so far the offense is entirely QB JT Barrett. 

At last, a pass! TD!  Game tied 14-14.

HT. Michigan 14  Ohio State 14. 1st qtr all Mich, 2nd qtr all Ohio State

Another dreadful qtr for Ohio State. 20-14 Michigan (extra pt blocked-could be significant)

Things just got worse for OSU--QB Barrett injured

TD Bucks - led by backup redshirt freshman QB Haskins OSU 21-20 End of qtr 3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 07:53:59 PM
Just got better now 😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 07:57:49 PM
Urban Meyer is having some trouble himself too. OSU losing here does Wisconsin no favours if they beat them next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Can't wait for iron bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Can't wait for iron bowl.

Tebow thinks Bama will win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 08:13:01 PM
OSU leading 24-20 in 4th.  Buckeye defensive line will have to step up to win game. Doesn't look like Barrett will return.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
Can't wait for iron bowl.

Tebow thinks Bama will win.

I think I heard that saban is 0 and 6 v auburn whenever the tigers have at least 9 wins. War Damn Eagle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
The Big House is some mass of humanity. Rivalry week might be the best weekend in Sports.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 08:30:17 PM
Pressure now--Bucks miss FG.

O'Korn throws INT for Michigan
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 08:33:43 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 08:30:17 PM
Pressure now--Bucks miss FG

Yeah bad miss. Did you notice the clock continue to run after that step out of bounds play? That may be vital. Not now though michigan gave the ball back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 08:37:16 PM
Weber, the kid from Michigan, scores TD for Bucks

Ohio State wins 31-20.  Got out of the Big House with a win, but now I can't believe I'm saying "Roll Tide"!  Hope Barrett will be able to play next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 09:05:11 PM
What a drive, what a start and what a pass..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
Nice start from Auburn. Spirit of Tebow in that play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 09:12:04 PM
Impressive TD drive by Auburn
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 09:13:09 PM
So far so good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 09:13:09 PM
So far so good.

They are certainly up for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 09:17:47 PM
Bit of a balls up there, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 09:18:53 PM
I should be pulling for Alabama, but I find myself urging on Auburn. What gives?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 09:18:53 PM
I should be pulling for Alabama, but I find myself urging on Auburn. What gives?

That's the Nick Saban effect.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 09:26:08 PM
This fúcking punter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:27:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 09:26:08 PM
This fúcking punter.

Auburn look great on the D line. That number 5 looks like Nick Fairly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:31:18 PM
Momentum is turning here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:31:18 PM
Momentum is turning here.

Depends whether it goes 90 or 180 degrees. Bama O yet to do much. Good field position for next drive though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 09:32:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:31:18 PM
Momentum is turning here.

Depends whether it goes 90 or 180 degrees. Bama O yet to do much. Good field position for next drive though.

Just feels a bit like they're getting to grips with this. They haven't seen anything like this so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
That was OPI surely?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 09:39:22 PM
That was my thought
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
That was OPI surely?

Looked like a push off alright, albeit a very slight one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 09:53:56 PM
Ah here. How is that not PI?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
Stidham is a totally different player from what he was at the start of the season. Really has grew as the season has progressed and is living up to the hype that his recruitment generated. Happy enough with that, albeit the three points lost with the fumble might be meaningful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 10:04:38 PM
Decent game but maybe not quite as good as the occasion merits, so far at least.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 10:08:13 PM
Christ that sounds like some serious comedy on the OSU sideline - Barrett hit by a cart, Meyer demanding an investigation because he was hit by a camera..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 10:18:55 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 06:07:27 PM
Things just got worse for OSU--QB Barrett injured

Interesting - has claimed he was injured on the sideline by a cameraman. Meyer demanding an investigation.

Edit: what Syf said. Looked to be moving relatively freely in the presser.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
That was ominous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 10:24:54 PM
Serious intent from Bama to start the third.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 10:47:59 PM
Chill lads, Auburn's defence is good enough to keep them in this one. It's Bama's that's looking a little tender.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 10:59:56 PM
f**k that was close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:00:25 PM
Bama looking a little rattled. ST the biggest concern for Auburn at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:03:06 PM
Huge moment there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:07:01 PM
Cancels out the Stidham fumble in the first quarter.

Auburn deservedly leading after three but they need to get it to a two score game because this is the quarter when things start to get crazy in rivalry games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:09:22 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:07:01 PM
Cancels out the Stidham fumble in the first quarter.

Auburn deservedly leading after three but they need to get it to a two score game because this is the quarter when things start to get crazy in rivalry games.

Yep. Auburn rallied well after Alabama marched down the field after half time. I think their team speed wins this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:09:55 PM
This is peak 2013 Malzahn Auburn offense. Actually, it's fecking even better than that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:10:56 PM
Fûck yeah.

Now we're going to see what Bama are made of.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 11:13:21 PM
Auburn OFF making Bama look mortal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:22:39 PM
WTF happened there?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:23:04 PM
And again!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
You doing ok, Nick? Look a little shaken.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:23:47 PM
You doing ok, Nick? Look a little shaken.

That was very funny. Bama are using the clap as the snap signal in the noise. Scarborough was clapping and hurts wasn't actually calling for the snap. Brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:26:01 PM
Ah shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:26:21 PM
Lucky, lucky boys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:29:40 PM
You doing ok, Gus?

...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:30:36 PM
Justice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:31:38 PM
That's poor from the receiver there, should have made it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:33:42 PM
The Tide are falling apart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:34:02 PM
Christ, that's just inexcusable. Probably the final nail.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2017, 11:34:59 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:31:38 PM
That's poor from the receiver there, should have made it.

Even though he ran too shallow a route he was slow turning upfield
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:33:42 PM
The Tide are falling apart.

They are imploding. I hope auburn see this out. That didn't look great for Johnson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:39:04 PM
I thought Pettaway being injured most of the year was a blow but this is getting ridiculous!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:39:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:33:42 PM
The Tide are falling apart.

They are imploding. I hope auburn see this out. That didn't look great for Johnson.

Was/is he expected to declare for the draft?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:41:51 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:39:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:33:42 PM
The Tide are falling apart.

They are imploding. I hope auburn see this out. That didn't look great for Johnson.

Was/is he expected to declare for the draft?

He was only the backup to Pettaway entering the season so he wasn't expected to declare. Issues with Johnson have been his ability to deal with wear and tear, he's been on a carry count all year.

Both Johnson and Pettaway are juniors but Pettaway will probably need to return and prove himself again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
Would have been illegal forward anyway.

Congrats Syf.

Who's favourite now? (Assuming Bama don't still get in)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:51:52 PM
Would have been illegal forward anyway.

Congrats Syf.

Who's favourite now? (Assuming Bama don't still get in)

I think Bama might get in even though the shouldn't.  Winner of SEC will be in. Winner of ACC. Winner of big 12 if Oklahoma. And then it will be either unbeaten wis consin, 2 loss ohio state or non champion bama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 25, 2017, 11:56:06 PM
Cheers, that was beautiful, not as dramatic as the Kick Six or the Cam year but it was so professional and balanced, both sides of this Auburn team are quaility. They did a Bama to Bama.

They should be able to beat Georgia again, but getting some healthy RBs is the biggest worry.

Auburn-Bama national title game? Imagine that..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:56:34 PM
As I said, don't watch much College football but found that an enjoyable watch, if not a great game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 25, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
Not that refs will change it given it's over but that was an illegal forward too :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 11:59:24 PM
Definitely the better team won, so our goose is cooked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2017, 12:35:14 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 25, 2017, 11:59:24 PM
Definitely the better team won, so our goose is cooked.

How about this madness? Ohio State beats Wisconsin to be a 2 loss champion.
Auburn beats Georgia to be a 2 loss champion.
Clemson loses tonight to South Carolina but beats Miami to be a 2 loss champion.
TCU beats Oklahoma to be a 2 loss champion.

What do they do then? 😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 26, 2017, 01:09:32 AM
Dizzying, AZ!  If Auburn wins out, Clemson beats the Cocks and Miami, and TCU beats the Okies, OSU beats Wisconsin, what then?  Auburn of course, Bama, and Clemson, but who's the fourth?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 26, 2017, 05:50:45 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-5118593/Auburn-fans-completely-cover-field-Iron-Bowl-win.html

Wonderful scenes. The H&S heads at Croke Park need to take a hard look at themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on November 26, 2017, 06:32:12 PM
I can't that happening after the Sigerson final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 26, 2017, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 26, 2017, 05:50:45 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/nfl/article-5118593/Auburn-fans-completely-cover-field-Iron-Bowl-win.html

Wonderful scenes. The H&S heads at Croke Park need to take a hard look at themselves.

Fined $250,000 for this.  With a stadium capacity of 87,000 they just need to add $3 to each ticket to cover the fine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 27, 2017, 12:16:59 AM
CJ Beathard got hurt with about a minute left so Garoppolo came on for debut. Scrambled for 5 or so on his first play and then went 2/2 and a score to finish the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 12:48:50 AM
42 year old Phil Dawson kicked a 57 yarder to beat the jags and the Cards go to 5-6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 27, 2017, 12:52:22 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 12:48:50 AM
42 year old Phil Dawson kicked a 57 yarder to beat the jags and the Cards go to 5-6

Some finish to that with the Gabbert pick and then the Jags giving it right back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 27, 2017, 01:23:56 AM
Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead the standout result this week. You have to doubt both the front office and Sean McDermott's credentials as a coach after last week's car crash. Taylor's an Alex Smith, a game manager who won't turn the ball over and can get a decent team over the line. But the Bills seem to think they need the next Aaron Rodgers, when it's more likely they're going to end up with the next Brady Quinn or RG3.

Edit: Wtf happened with the Vols and Sciano?! Incredible 180 in a matter of hours.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Well, the Army-Navy game apart, we've reached the end of the College Football Regular Season. Hard to believe. Next weekend is a brilliant weekend as well, with the Conference Championships, and there's still quite a lot of pulling and shoving that can happen. The Conference state of play is as follows....

SEC Conference Championship Game - Atlanta - 9pm Saturday Irish Time
Auburn 10-2  v Georgia 11-1.

ACC Conference Championship Game - Charlotte 1am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Clemson 11-1 v Miami 10-1

Big 10 Championship Game - Indianapolis 1am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Ohio State 10-2 v Wisconsin 12-0

Pac 12 Championship Game - Santa Clara - Thursday Night/Friday Morning 1am Irish Time
Stanford 9-3 v USC 10-2

Big XII Championship Game - Jerry World - 5.30pm Saturday Irish Time
Oklahoma 11-1 v TCU 10-2

The Playoff Spots are still up for grabs and the potential for carnage exists if results go the wrong way. It's not inconceivable that 4 of power 5 conferences might have 2 loss (or worse!) conference champions if TCU, Ohio State and Auburn win. The ACC Champion will have 1 loss, and will be in. The SEC Champion will be in, regardless of Auburn's two losses to date, as to be honest they looked like a #1 team against both Georgia and Alabama. Both those games were in Jordan Hare though, so it will be interesting to see the rematch in Atlanta this weekend. After that though, it's up for grabs. If Oklahoma wins, they are in. If TCU wins, then it gets messy. Stanford or USC are both out anyway you would have think. The Big 10 is very interesting too. If Wisconsin wins, I cannot see them being left out. Undefeated Power 5 Conference Champion, even with a less than impressive schedule, has to be in surely. However, if Ohio State wins, then the cat will be among the pigeons. The elephant in the room (pun intended) is a 1 loss Alabama. Auburn made them look ordinary on Saturday, but will the committee take the injuries into consideration if they end up comparing them versus a 2 loss Ohio State for example?

If it were me, knowing the guideline about Conference Champions being a key differentiator barring an obvious disparity (which ironically the Committee used in Ohio State's favour last year) I think I would go ACC Champion, SEC Champion, Oklahoma and Wisconsin.
If Oklahoma Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Alabama, Wisconsin
If Wisconsin Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Oklahoma, Ohio State
If both Wisconsin and Oklahoma Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Alabama, Ohio State



The smaller conference championship games are
AAC Championship Game - Orlando - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
Memphis 10-1 v UCF 11-0

Conference USA Championship Game - Boca Raton - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
FAU 9-3 v North Texas 9-3

MAC Championship Game - Detroit - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
Akron 7-5 v Toledo 10-2

Mountain West Championship Game - Boise 12.30am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Boise State 9-3 v Fresno State 9-3

Sun Belt Champiopnship Game - Arkansas 12.30am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Troy 9-2 v Arkansas State 7-3





Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 12:21:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2017, 01:23:56 AM
Bills beating the Chiefs in Arrowhead the standout result this week. You have to doubt both the front office and Sean McDermott's credentials as a coach after last week's car crash. Taylor's an Alex Smith, a game manager who won't turn the ball over and can get a decent team over the line. But the Bills seem to think they need the next Aaron Rodgers, when it's more likely they're going to end up with the next Brady Quinn or RG3.

Edit: Wtf happened with the Vols and Sciano?! Incredible 180 in a matter of hours.

Looks like there was a bit of blowback from Vols fans and boosters about Sciano and his involvement in the Penn State abuse issues.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on November 27, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Well, the Army-Navy game apart, we've reached the end of the College Football Regular Season. Hard to believe. Next weekend is a brilliant weekend as well, with the Conference Championships, and there's still quite a lot of pulling and shoving that can happen. The Conference state of play is as follows....

SEC Conference Championship Game - Atlanta - 9pm Saturday Irish Time
Auburn 10-2  v Georgia 11-1.

ACC Conference Championship Game - Charlotte 1am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Clemson 11-1 v Miami 10-1

Big 10 Championship Game - Indianapolis 1am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Ohio State 10-2 v Wisconsin 12-0

Pac 12 Championship Game - Santa Clara - Thursday Night/Friday Morning 1am Irish Time
Stanford 9-3 v USC 10-2

Big XII Championship Game - Jerry World - 5.30pm Saturday Irish Time
Oklahoma 11-1 v TCU 10-2

The Playoff Spots are still up for grabs and the potential for carnage exists if results go the wrong way. It's not inconceivable that 4 of power 5 conferences might have 2 loss (or worse!) conference champions if TCU, Ohio State and Auburn win. The ACC Champion will have 1 loss, and will be in. The SEC Champion will be in, regardless of Auburn's two losses to date, as to be honest they looked like a #1 team against both Georgia and Alabama. Both those games were in Jordan Hare though, so it will be interesting to see the rematch in Atlanta this weekend. After that though, it's up for grabs. If Oklahoma wins, they are in. If TCU wins, then it gets messy. Stanford or USC are both out anyway you would have think. The Big 10 is very interesting too. If Wisconsin wins, I cannot see them being left out. Undefeated Power 5 Conference Champion, even with a less than impressive schedule, has to be in surely. However, if Ohio State wins, then the cat will be among the pigeons. The elephant in the room (pun intended) is a 1 loss Alabama. Auburn made them look ordinary on Saturday, but will the committee take the injuries into consideration if they end up comparing them versus a 2 loss Ohio State for example?

If it were me, knowing the guideline about Conference Champions being a key differentiator barring an obvious disparity (which ironically the Committee used in Ohio State's favour last year) I think I would go ACC Champion, SEC Champion, Oklahoma and Wisconsin.
If Oklahoma Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Alabama, Wisconsin
If Wisconsin Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Oklahoma, Ohio State
If both Wisconsin and Oklahoma Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Alabama, Ohio State



The smaller conference championship games are
AAC Championship Game - Orlando - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
Memphis 10-1 v UCF 11-0

Conference USA Championship Game - Boca Raton - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
FAU 9-3 v North Texas 9-3

MAC Championship Game - Detroit - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
Akron 7-5 v Toledo 10-2

Mountain West Championship Game - Boise 12.30am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Boise State 9-3 v Fresno State 9-3

Sun Belt Champiopnship Game - Arkansas 12.30am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Troy 9-2 v Arkansas State 7-3

Think this year will really put the Playoff Committee concept to the test. If any of Oklahama, Wisconsin or Clemson doesn't win then chaos will ensue and if the committee's early season rankings were anything to go by, anything could happen!!!

Better than the BCS system - I'm not convinced but does give fantastic entertainment!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 27, 2017, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 27, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 10:19:49 AM
Well, the Army-Navy game apart, we've reached the end of the College Football Regular Season. Hard to believe. Next weekend is a brilliant weekend as well, with the Conference Championships, and there's still quite a lot of pulling and shoving that can happen. The Conference state of play is as follows....

SEC Conference Championship Game - Atlanta - 9pm Saturday Irish Time
Auburn 10-2  v Georgia 11-1.

ACC Conference Championship Game - Charlotte 1am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Clemson 11-1 v Miami 10-1

Big 10 Championship Game - Indianapolis 1am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Ohio State 10-2 v Wisconsin 12-0

Pac 12 Championship Game - Santa Clara - Thursday Night/Friday Morning 1am Irish Time
Stanford 9-3 v USC 10-2

Big XII Championship Game - Jerry World - 5.30pm Saturday Irish Time
Oklahoma 11-1 v TCU 10-2

The Playoff Spots are still up for grabs and the potential for carnage exists if results go the wrong way. It's not inconceivable that 4 of power 5 conferences might have 2 loss (or worse!) conference champions if TCU, Ohio State and Auburn win. The ACC Champion will have 1 loss, and will be in. The SEC Champion will be in, regardless of Auburn's two losses to date, as to be honest they looked like a #1 team against both Georgia and Alabama. Both those games were in Jordan Hare though, so it will be interesting to see the rematch in Atlanta this weekend. After that though, it's up for grabs. If Oklahoma wins, they are in. If TCU wins, then it gets messy. Stanford or USC are both out anyway you would have think. The Big 10 is very interesting too. If Wisconsin wins, I cannot see them being left out. Undefeated Power 5 Conference Champion, even with a less than impressive schedule, has to be in surely. However, if Ohio State wins, then the cat will be among the pigeons. The elephant in the room (pun intended) is a 1 loss Alabama. Auburn made them look ordinary on Saturday, but will the committee take the injuries into consideration if they end up comparing them versus a 2 loss Ohio State for example?

If it were me, knowing the guideline about Conference Champions being a key differentiator barring an obvious disparity (which ironically the Committee used in Ohio State's favour last year) I think I would go ACC Champion, SEC Champion, Oklahoma and Wisconsin.
If Oklahoma Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Alabama, Wisconsin
If Wisconsin Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Oklahoma, Ohio State
If both Wisconsin and Oklahoma Lose I would go ACC, SEC, Alabama, Ohio State



The smaller conference championship games are
AAC Championship Game - Orlando - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
Memphis 10-1 v UCF 11-0

Conference USA Championship Game - Boca Raton - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
FAU 9-3 v North Texas 9-3

MAC Championship Game - Detroit - 5pm Saturday Irish Time
Akron 7-5 v Toledo 10-2

Mountain West Championship Game - Boise 12.30am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Boise State 9-3 v Fresno State 9-3

Sun Belt Champiopnship Game - Arkansas 12.30am Saturday Night/Sunday Morning Irish Time
Troy 9-2 v Arkansas State 7-3

Think this year will really put the Playoff Committee concept to the test. If any of Oklahama, Wisconsin or Clemson doesn't win then chaos will ensue and if the committee's early season rankings were anything to go by, anything could happen!!!

Better than the BCS system - I'm not convinced but does give fantastic entertainment!!

Based on your choices, those are absolute gimme selections along with the SEC champions. The fun happens if Ohio State, TCU win their conferences.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2017, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2017, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: stringbean on November 27, 2017, 01:44:32 PM

Think this year will really put the Playoff Committee concept to the test. If any of Oklahama, Wisconsin or Clemson doesn't win then chaos will ensue and if the committee's early season rankings were anything to go by, anything could happen!!!

Better than the BCS system - I'm not convinced but does give fantastic entertainment!!

Based on your choices, those are absolute gimme selections along with the SEC champions. The fun happens if Ohio State, TCU win their conferences.

Even just Ohio State. If, say, Clemson, Oklahoma and Auburn win, then that's 3 spots straight away. So what do you do with a 2 loss Big 10 Champion, versus a 1 loss Alabama.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 27, 2017, 06:00:54 PM
Boys, i read there about about the jags and cardinals. Done a 6 team accum. Got it up but was on beer, looked online and jags were 12/5 +2.5....threw my winnings on it....Bortles and Doug Marrone need the hangman's noose.

About the CFB, I really really hope Bama get in just so they have to meet the Sooners. And Baker destroys St Nick's army. How much will tradition play into CFB committee mind though?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 27, 2017, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 27, 2017, 06:00:54 PM
Boys, i read there about about the jags and cardinals. Done a 6 team accum. Got it up but was on beer, looked online and jags were 12/5 +2.5....threw my winnings on it....Bortles and Doug Marrone need the hangman's noose.

About the CFB, I really really hope Bama get in just so they have to meet the Sooners. And Baker destroys St Nick's army. How much will tradition play into CFB committee mind though?

Alabama probably beats most teams if given near a month to recover from injuries.

My punts for the semi-finals are #1 Clemson v #4 Alabama and #2 Auburn v #3 Oklahoma.

Ohio State to ruin Wisconsin's run to the CFP (on the back of feasting on minnows) and their own gaudy loss to Iowa meaning Bama (losing away to the SEC champions) are the obvious choice for #4. The committee will avoid re-matching Clemson and Auburn again, and the same goes for another Iron Bowl repeat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 27, 2017, 07:30:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 27, 2017, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 27, 2017, 06:00:54 PM
Boys, i read there about about the jags and cardinals. Done a 6 team accum. Got it up but was on beer, looked online and jags were 12/5 +2.5....threw my winnings on it....Bortles and Doug Marrone need the hangman's noose.

About the CFB, I really really hope Bama get in just so they have to meet the Sooners. And Baker destroys St Nick's army. How much will tradition play into CFB committee mind though?

Alabama probably beats most teams if given near a month to recover from injuries.

My punts for the semi-finals are #1 Clemson v #4 Alabama and #2 Auburn v #3 Oklahoma.

Ohio State to ruin Wisconsin's run to the CFP (on the back of feasting on minnows) and their own gaudy loss to Iowa meaning Bama (losing away to the SEC champions) are the obvious choice for #4. The committee will avoid re-matching Clemson and Auburn again, and the same goes for another Iron Bowl repeat.

I just can't see Wisconsin losing. I think they have the bounce and the momentum. Ohio St without Barrett won't be the same animal either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 28, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
Syf, not sure that Bama are the obvious choice.  You're right, of course, that Ohio State had a catastrophic loss to Iowa, but I think their wins over Penn State, Michigan State and hopefully Wisconsin indicate a stronger strength of schedule than Bama's, something the committee values, as it does a conference champion.  The cynic in me might give OSU the edge in potential TV audience, given that the Buckeye vs Wolverine matchup drew the year's largest TV audience, even though it had a 9 am West coast start time.  I do think OSU's Iowa loss ought to be their death knell, but I'm not convinced that it will be.  Not sure that OSU can beat the Badgers with a hobbled QB or a backup, but then again they did win a national championship with a third-stringer.

I hope the final four are Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma and OSU. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 28, 2017, 08:51:37 PM
Eli benched.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 28, 2017, 08:51:37 PM
Eli benched.

Being benched for Geno Smith. Doesn't even make sense, Smith isn't the future of anything.

Coach McAwagagoo is going to be benched for good himself next month. Horrible hire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 28, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
Season is over. I can see you might bench Eli to see what you have before draft. But Geno????? I presume Webb will be in quick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 28, 2017, 09:33:48 PM
Just saw a clip with Manning being interviewed about being benched, very emotional. You would think the Giants clean house, McAdoo & Reese for starters
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 28, 2017, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 28, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
Season is over. I can see you might bench Eli to see what you have before draft. But Geno????? I presume Webb will be in quick.

Tanking maybe, to ensure they get Eli's successor in the draft
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 28, 2017, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 28, 2017, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 28, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
Season is over. I can see you might bench Eli to see what you have before draft. But Geno????? I presume Webb will be in quick.

Tanking maybe, to ensure they get Eli's successor in the draft

This coaching staff isn't going to be there to pick in the draft. There's no building for the future going on here, just utter desperation. Webb must be fairly shîte if Geno gets in before him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on November 29, 2017, 08:02:04 AM
https://omny.fm/shows/mike-francesa/mike-francesa-destroys-ben-mcadoo (https://omny.fm/shows/mike-francesa/mike-francesa-destroys-ben-mcadoo)

You gotta love the OTT analysis
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
Quote from: Declan on November 29, 2017, 08:02:04 AM
https://omny.fm/shows/mike-francesa/mike-francesa-destroys-ben-mcadoo (https://omny.fm/shows/mike-francesa/mike-francesa-destroys-ben-mcadoo)

You gotta love the OTT analysis

Talk show radio is very entertaining but a lot of it is designed to be controversial. I used to listen to it every day in Phoenix, and I still listen to a fair bit here, but I don't like the likes of Jim Rome, Stephen A Smith, Skip Bayless, John Gambadora in Phoenix, and all the other US Joe Brollys and Eamon Dunphys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 29, 2017, 08:42:38 AM
So the CFP top 4 is out, and if all 4 teams win, they are in.
1 - Clemson
2 - Auburn
3 - Oklahoma
4 - Wisconsin

5 - Alabama
6 - Georgia
7 - Miami
8 - Ohio State

9 - Penn State
10 - USC
11 - TCU
12 - Stanford

Alabama will not get in unless, I believe, TCU beat Oklahoma. The committee chairman last night said two things which basically prepped the ground for that. He said that a) There is 'very little' between teams 5,6,7 & 8. He then said b) They will 'value' conference championships significantly.

So if a is true, and Ohio State, Miami and Georgia all win, I expect them to basically replace the teams they beat in the Top 4.

TCU are too far back to do that, so I think 'Bama fans will be cheering for the Horned Frogs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 02, 2017, 03:25:35 PM
Not looking too promising for the Ohio State Buckeyes this evening with QB JT Barrett having undergone arthroscopic knee surgery last Sunday.  If he plays, he surely won't be very mobile and will undoubtedly be susceptible to an aggressive Wisconsin pass rush.  The O line will have much to do to keep him safe, and the D line will have to excel to stymie the Badger offense.  Maybe this year a back-up QB can bring Ohio State a victory.  Lots of great games today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2017, 09:30:05 PM
Oklahoma ate TCU so they're in. Auburn early leaders v Georgia.  Stidham is some yoke.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 09:56:39 PM
The Tigers have been making fast starts all year, after the LSU game they started finishing the job too.

Stidham was a sack machine early in the season and looked every bit as rusty as a lad 20 or so months removed from his last competitive start. That he's turned into a player who NFL scouts will be looking at drafting after next year is pretty incredible growth.

Talking of Auburn QBs, JF3 made a total balls up in the C-USA title game today by dropping the ball before crossing the line to celebrate his touchdown. Braindead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2017, 10:59:28 PM
This is interesting. Both QBS playing well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 11:10:13 PM
Big time third down pass by Stidham there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2017, 11:23:21 PM
And them blocked field goal. Big penalty on the punt there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2017, 11:44:47 PM
Feck sake Kerryon Johnson. That might be a dagger.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 02, 2017, 11:50:55 PM
Well, Auburn are dabs at the thrilling finish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2017, 11:53:50 PM
They are. Georgia seems to have ta ken the vertical game away from them though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 12:02:17 AM
It was a good run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 12:05:38 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 12:02:17 AM
It was a good run.

Disappointing way  to finish for them. I wonder will Malzone go to Arkansas now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 03, 2017, 12:16:26 AM
A very tall order to have to beat the same team twice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
Jordan Hare is a big factor and when Johnson isn't right it's a big loss.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
Jordan Hare is a big factor and when Johnson isn't right it's a big loss.

Two starting CBs got banged up today too. Remember Johnson himself was only the back-up RB so Auburn have been desperately unlucky at that position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 03, 2017, 06:19:34 AM
So big decision between Buckeyes and Bama? Can USC force their way into the thinking?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on December 03, 2017, 06:19:34 AM
So big decision between Buckeyes and Bama? Can USC force their way into the thinking?

USC are too far back I think but as regards Ohio State and Alabama, I think they have painted themselves into a corner. Last week they said there was very little between 5 and 8, and they also said they would significantly value conference championships.

So, given the fact that the first 3 all won their championships that leaves just one spot up for grabs. If there truly was very little between 5 & 8 then this weekend has killed Bama. They weren't playing so can't have improved. Auburn lost, so now they lost to a 3 loss (very good) team. Ohio State just beat the 4 team and won their conference.

Going by their own spake, Buckeyes have to be in.
Edit I should have said the other 3 champions are in, obviously auburn lost. Still just one slot open you'd imagine.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 03, 2017, 05:41:30 PM
Disappointed, but you can't get creamed by Iowa and not have it hurt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 05:49:40 PM
Amusing that Aubrn beat the shíte out of them but it's the Tide who survive to fight another day.

I think it's the right call in that Alabama were very impressive throughout the year and their only loss was away to their biggest rivals and perhaps the hottest team in college football at that moment. Ohio State's loss to Iowa was just too gaudy to recover from.

The state of Alabama's playoff streak continues. Incredible. A Tide team with weeks to prepare and let some of their defensive injuries to heal up will be a scary prospect for Clemson even before you think about the revenge element.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
Probably the right decision but it exposes the committee criteria for the nonsense they are.

And how on earth can they justify it based on what they said last week? They should just have said they think Alabama are better than ohio state last week and leave the bullshit out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 05:55:18 PM
Probably the right decision but it exposes the committee criteria for the nonsense they are.

And how on earth can they justify it based on what they said last week? They should just have said they think Alabama are better than ohio state last week and leave the bullshit out.

I'd say if OSU trashed Wisconsin they'd have been in. Struggling over them probably was the final nail in their coffin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 03, 2017, 07:49:21 PM
They got in on their name only. This decision shows that strength of schedule means nothing

The Beat a No 9 Penn State (and the time No 2)
Beat No 6 Wisconsin (at the time No 4)
Lost to Oklahoma No 2 (at the time No 5)
And won a conf. championship
The thing that hurt them is the 31 point loss,

Alabama only played 1 team that ended up in the top 10, and lost.
Yes they beat 2 other teams that ended up in the top 25 and an overrated Florida State team that was ranked 3 at the time but didn't end up in the top 25.

The 31 point loss huts Ohio but I think the other wins are far more impressive than what Alabama have done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 03, 2017, 07:49:21 PM
They got in on their name only. This decision shows that strength of schedule means nothing

The Beat a No 9 Penn State (and the time No 2)
Beat No 6 Wisconsin (at the time No 4)
Lost to Oklahoma No 2 (at the time No 5)
And won a conf. championship
The thing that hurt them is the 31 point loss,

Alabama only played 1 team that ended up in the top 10, and lost.
Yes they beat 2 other teams that ended up in the top 25 and an overrated Florida State team that was ranked 3 at the time but didn't end up in the top 25.

The 31 point loss huts Ohio but I think the other wins are far more impressive than what Alabama have done.

There was only an eleven place difference in overall SOS between Alabama and OSU - 47th v 36th nationally. Some quarters invented a large gap there that never really existed if you looked closely. Coloured by Tide and SEC hate, to be frank. If we went on that metric USC were in because they were way ahead of either at 8th nationally.

Alabama's strength of record (how you fared nationally against your schedule) was actually higher than OSU's, 4th v 7th, so it wasn't on name that they got in over OSU, hardly a minnow themselves.

The committee rewards consistency and no one can deny that Alabama had no horrific performances that could compare to the Iowa game for OSU. Alabama where #1 in the nation for all but six days of the season in most polls.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 03, 2017, 09:11:59 PM
Really hoping Josh Gordon can have something approaching a good game in his first start in 3 years today. A catch for 9 yards on the first play from scrimmage not a bad start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 03, 2017, 09:22:24 PM
49ers win, the Jimmy G era starts with a win and themself TDs #whocares
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 03, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 03, 2017, 07:49:21 PM
They got in on their name only. This decision shows that strength of schedule means nothing

The Beat a No 9 Penn State (and the time No 2)
Beat No 6 Wisconsin (at the time No 4)
Lost to Oklahoma No 2 (at the time No 5)
And won a conf. championship
The thing that hurt them is the 31 point loss,

Alabama only played 1 team that ended up in the top 10, and lost.
Yes they beat 2 other teams that ended up in the top 25 and an overrated Florida State team that was ranked 3 at the time but didn't end up in the top 25.

The 31 point loss huts Ohio but I think the other wins are far more impressive than what Alabama have done.

There was only an eleven place difference in overall SOS between Alabama and OSU - 47th v 36th nationally. Some quarters invented a large gap there that never really existed if you looked closely. Coloured by Tide and SEC hate, to be frank. If we went on that metric USC were in because they were way ahead of either at 8th nationally.

Alabama's strength of record (how you fared nationally against your schedule) was actually higher than OSU's, 4th v 7th, so it wasn't on name that they got in over OSU, hardly a minnow themselves.

The committee rewards consistency and no one can deny that Alabama had no horrific performances that could compare to the Iowa game for OSU. Alabama where #1 in the nation for all but six days of the season in most polls.

I dont really have a problem with punishing ohio state for that debacle v iowa but i have a problem with the lies and inconsistency. There is simply no way that they were 'very close' before a weekend that saw ohio staTE beat number 4 and win a championship AND saw the team that beat Alabama lose their third game away from home.

I think Bama would beat OSU so they got it right but I wish they'd stop the shite talk and contradopting themselves. At least the BCS computers never did that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 03, 2017, 10:06:00 PM
I don't follow college football but could someone explain in a nutshell what the issue you guys are discussing here? Is it t to do with seeding teams?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
A committee of experts rank the top 25 teams in the nation, with the top four at the end of the season advancing to the semi-finals of the national championship. No one else has a shot at the national title now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 04, 2017, 12:02:22 AM
Another win 14-9 for the vikings. This time on the road against the falcons. Xavier Rhodes held Julio Jones to 2 catches for 24 yards a week after Julio had 250 yards.

The vikings now just need one more win to secure the NFC north title after the Lions got beat by the Ravens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 04, 2017, 12:07:12 AM
NFC looking very tight this year! Vikings Saints Rams and Eagles all legitimate contenders for Super bowl. 
Interesting to see how the Eagles get on in a tough one in Seattle tonight.  Wentz has been great so far and very entertaining to watch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 04, 2017, 02:47:28 AM
Dirty hit from Gronk today.

Looking at a suspension but you never know with the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on December 04, 2017, 08:40:20 AM
QuoteEagles all legitimate contenders for Super bowl. 
Interesting to see how the Eagles get on in a tough one in Seattle tonight.  Wentz has been great so far and very entertaining to watch.

Have had great fun watching my other team in Green this year but haven't watched last nights game yet only saw result - Maybe a truer reflection of their abilities?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 04, 2017, 09:45:14 AM
Quote from: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
A committee of experts rank the top 25 teams in the nation, with the top four at the end of the season advancing to the semi-finals of the national championship. No one else has a shot at the national title now.

Cheers. Can understand the controversy now, nothing like introducing subjectivity into sports titles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
I think the controversy is really only because they try to play a clever media game. They have this criteria that they constantly trip themselves up over. Their job is to put the 4 best teams in the playoff, and to be fair they probably have done that in this instance. But the criteria they supposedly use to decide who is best is a complete balls, because they ignore it if their eyes tell them team A is better than team B, even if team A has played a poor schedule, has no conference championship etc.  To be honest, I think they should have no ranking at all until maybe the last couple of weeks because they end up contradicting themselves when they are asked 'why is A above B in this ranking?' etc. They leave hostages to fortune all over the place.

Like consider this, even if you knew nothing about College Football. Last week, they said team A & team B were very close. Very little between them. They also said that they will value conference championships.

Now fast forward a week. Nothing has changed EXCEPT
- Team B won a game against a team ranked ahead of them (in the top 4).
- Team B won the conference championship.
- Team A didn't play at all because it didn't make the conference championship game (Different conference)
- Team A watched the team that beat them lose the conference championship game.

So, taking what they said last week at face value, and then looking at what happened this week, who is ranked higher? A or B?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 04, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
I think the controversy is really only because they try to play a clever media game. They have this criteria that they constantly trip themselves up over. Their job is to put the 4 best teams in the playoff, and to be fair they probably have done that in this instance. But the criteria they supposedly use to decide who is best is a complete balls, because they ignore it if their eyes tell them team A is better than team B, even if team A has played a poor schedule, has no conference championship etc.  To be honest, I think they should have no ranking at all until maybe the last couple of weeks because they end up contradicting themselves when they are asked 'why is A above B in this ranking?' etc. They leave hostages to fortune all over the place.

Like consider this, even if you knew nothing about College Football. Last week, they said team A & team B were very close. Very little between them. They also said that they will value conference championships.

Now fast forward a week. Nothing has changed EXCEPT
- Team B won a game against a team ranked ahead of them (in the top 4).
- Team B won the conference championship.
- Team A didn't play at all because it didn't make the conference championship game (Different conference)
- Team A watched the team that beat them lose the conference championship game.

So, taking what they said last week at face value, and then looking at what happened this week, who is ranked higher? A or B?

They should go to a top eight, that would take the guess work out of it all but of course they want controversy, it puts bums on seats and is good for the brand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 04, 2017, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
I think the controversy is really only because they try to play a clever media game. They have this criteria that they constantly trip themselves up over. Their job is to put the 4 best teams in the playoff, and to be fair they probably have done that in this instance. But the criteria they supposedly use to decide who is best is a complete balls, because they ignore it if their eyes tell them team A is better than team B, even if team A has played a poor schedule, has no conference championship etc.  To be honest, I think they should have no ranking at all until maybe the last couple of weeks because they end up contradicting themselves when they are asked 'why is A above B in this ranking?' etc. They leave hostages to fortune all over the place.

Like consider this, even if you knew nothing about College Football. Last week, they said team A & team B were very close. Very little between them. They also said that they will value conference championships.

Now fast forward a week. Nothing has changed EXCEPT
- Team B won a game against a team ranked ahead of them (in the top 4).
- Team B won the conference championship.
- Team A didn't play at all because it didn't make the conference championship game (Different conference)
- Team A watched the team that beat them lose the conference championship game.

So, taking what they said last week at face value, and then looking at what happened this week, who is ranked higher? A or B?

At the risk of looking like a complete clown surely the only possible movement is that B increases its seeding relative to A?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 04, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
That's the point. A is Alabama. B is Ohio State. Bama are in playoff, Ohio State aren't.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 04, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
That's the point. A is Alabama. B is Ohio State. Bama are in playoff, Ohio State aren't.
Lol, clear as mud then. I think I'll concentrate on the NFL.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 04, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on December 04, 2017, 12:07:12 AM
NFC looking very tight this year! Vikings Saints Rams and Eagles all legitimate contenders for Super bowl. 
Interesting to see how the Eagles get on in a tough one in Seattle tonight.  Wentz has been great so far and very entertaining to watch.

Massive win for the Saints against their division rivals last night.  I only got seeing the 1st quarter but what a rookie year Kamara is having.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 04, 2017, 01:06:02 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 04, 2017, 12:13:38 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2017, 12:06:19 PM
That's the point. A is Alabama. B is Ohio State. Bama are in playoff, Ohio State aren't.
Lol, clear as mud then. I think I'll concentrate on the NFL.

But that's it. I think any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion you did.

However, apparently what they really should have said before last weekend was "Team A is a good bit ahead of Team B in our minds, and if Team B wants to jump over them, they are going to have to absolutely hammer the opposition in their conference championship game'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 04, 2017, 04:51:27 PM
McAdoo and Jerry Resse fired - good riddance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2017, 05:12:40 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 04, 2017, 04:51:27 PM
McAdoo and Jerry Resse fired - good riddance

Awful nice of the twāts to pretty much run Eli out of town on their way out too.

Malzahn got a big extension from Auburn to close down any rumours of him leaving. All in all he's built two championship level teams in his tenure and he's going to have Stidham and probably at least one of their star RBs back next year so there's plenty of reason to believe they can contend. It was their defence that really surprised me this season, Malzahn never really had a top class unit on that side of the ball until now.

Jimo Fisher arriving in College Station will only put the SEC West even farther ahead of every other division in college football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 04, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: stew on December 04, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
I think the controversy is really only because they try to play a clever media game. They have this criteria that they constantly trip themselves up over. Their job is to put the 4 best teams in the playoff, and to be fair they probably have done that in this instance. But the criteria they supposedly use to decide who is best is a complete balls, because they ignore it if their eyes tell them team A is better than team B, even if team A has played a poor schedule, has no conference championship etc.  To be honest, I think they should have no ranking at all until maybe the last couple of weeks because they end up contradicting themselves when they are asked 'why is A above B in this ranking?' etc. They leave hostages to fortune all over the place.

Like consider this, even if you knew nothing about College Football. Last week, they said team A & team B were very close. Very little between them. They also said that they will value conference championships.

Now fast forward a week. Nothing has changed EXCEPT
- Team B won a game against a team ranked ahead of them (in the top 4).
- Team B won the conference championship.
- Team A didn't play at all because it didn't make the conference championship game (Different conference)
- Team A watched the team that beat them lose the conference championship game.

So, taking what they said last week at face value, and then looking at what happened this week, who is ranked higher? A or B?

They should go to a top eight, that would take the guess work out of it all but of course they want controversy, it puts bums on seats and is good for the brand.

I agree - and can't see the logic for not going to 8. I don't know that the controversy outweighs 2 more games and 4 more teams and the revenue they would generate. Not to mention the bigger shot at the Cinderella story!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 04, 2017, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on December 04, 2017, 05:24:12 PM
Quote from: stew on December 04, 2017, 10:45:15 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 04, 2017, 10:03:56 AM
I think the controversy is really only because they try to play a clever media game. They have this criteria that they constantly trip themselves up over. Their job is to put the 4 best teams in the playoff, and to be fair they probably have done that in this instance. But the criteria they supposedly use to decide who is best is a complete balls, because they ignore it if their eyes tell them team A is better than team B, even if team A has played a poor schedule, has no conference championship etc.  To be honest, I think they should have no ranking at all until maybe the last couple of weeks because they end up contradicting themselves when they are asked 'why is A above B in this ranking?' etc. They leave hostages to fortune all over the place.

Like consider this, even if you knew nothing about College Football. Last week, they said team A & team B were very close. Very little between them. They also said that they will value conference championships.

Now fast forward a week. Nothing has changed EXCEPT
- Team B won a game against a team ranked ahead of them (in the top 4).
- Team B won the conference championship.
- Team A didn't play at all because it didn't make the conference championship game (Different conference)
- Team A watched the team that beat them lose the conference championship game.

So, taking what they said last week at face value, and then looking at what happened this week, who is ranked higher? A or B?

They should go to a top eight, that would take the guess work out of it all but of course they want controversy, it puts bums on seats and is good for the brand.

I agree - and can't see the logic for not going to 8. I don't know that the controversy outweighs 2 more games and 4 more teams and the revenue they would generate. Not to mention the bigger shot at the Cinderella story!

That's the bigger issue for me.  A big part of sports appeal is the possibility of the Buster Douglas, Wimbledon fa cup, Denmark in the euros etc etc. To put this in the hands of a committee is just wrong
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on December 04, 2017, 07:42:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 03, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on December 03, 2017, 07:49:21 PM
They got in on their name only. This decision shows that strength of schedule means nothing

The Beat a No 9 Penn State (and the time No 2)
Beat No 6 Wisconsin (at the time No 4)
Lost to Oklahoma No 2 (at the time No 5)
And won a conf. championship
The thing that hurt them is the 31 point loss,

Alabama only played 1 team that ended up in the top 10, and lost.
Yes they beat 2 other teams that ended up in the top 25 and an overrated Florida State team that was ranked 3 at the time but didn't end up in the top 25.

The 31 point loss huts Ohio but I think the other wins are far more impressive than what Alabama have done.

There was only an eleven place difference in overall SOS between Alabama and OSU - 47th v 36th nationally. Some quarters invented a large gap there that never really existed if you looked closely. Coloured by Tide and SEC hate, to be frank. If we went on that metric USC were in because they were way ahead of either at 8th nationally.

Alabama's strength of record (how you fared nationally against your schedule) was actually higher than OSU's, 4th v 7th, so it wasn't on name that they got in over OSU, hardly a minnow themselves.

The committee rewards consistency and no one can deny that Alabama had no horrific performances that could compare to the Iowa game for OSU. Alabama where #1 in the nation for all but six days of the season in most polls.

The committee have said that conference championships are very important and to get to a conf championship you need a level of consistency. Both Ohio State and USC played three additional conf games, four if you include the conf championship game. Alabama's consistency in the SEC has been good but should playing teams like Mercer be valued the same way? USC should have been in the conversation the same way as OSU, that will be a good game.
The playoffs have been a great addition over the past few years but I see this been expanded to 8 teams very soon. You'll still have some questions marks around 8 & 9 but don't think it will be as questionable. Some good bowl games coming up with USC/OSU and Wisconsin/Miami in addition to the playoffs.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 04, 2017, 09:07:14 PM
Gronk suspended one game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 04, 2017, 09:28:04 PM
which he's appealing  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 11, 2017, 01:29:23 AM
Browns Perfect Season! 0-16.  Almost blew it with a 14-point lead!

Well, at least we had a 4-0 pre-season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 11, 2017, 01:53:07 AM
Vikings slipped up this week losing 31-24 on the road at the panthers. We lost the number 1 seed back to the Eagles who beat the Rams 43-35 in LA.

The Vikings still should be able to wrap up the division next week at home against the Bengals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 11, 2017, 01:54:08 AM
Eagles grind out a tough one in LA but looks to have come at a big cost with Wentz reported to have tore ACL.  Foles done well today when he came in but come playoffs i wouldn't be so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 11, 2017, 02:06:04 AM
Nfl.com says the Eagles believe Wentz has tore his acl. It is a tough break for the Eagles if true. They were on course for a super bowl appearance. I know Wentz is still young but the team might not repeat the form of this year in future years. The Cowboys and Giants will likely bounce back from this years poor form next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on December 11, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
QuoteNfl.com says the Eagles believe Wentz has tore his acl. It is a tough break for the Eagles if true. They were on course for a super bowl appearance.

Very frustrating alright. Good win but could be expensive
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 11, 2017, 09:15:06 AM
Quote from: Declan on December 11, 2017, 08:40:50 AM
QuoteNfl.com says the Eagles believe Wentz has tore his acl. It is a tough break for the Eagles if true. They were on course for a super bowl appearance.

Very frustrating alright. Good win but could be expensive

Yeah I think the Eagles would have won it all, best all round team in the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 11, 2017, 10:43:28 AM
I dunno, Seattle managed them very handily just week.

Wentz showed a lot of balls - he got hit on a scramble on third down for a score that was then bright back for a holding penalty. Scored on the fourth down after it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 11, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
Awful to see an injury like that to a star player at the top of his game. Foles is a much higher than average backup though so I wouldn't rule them out. AFC is going to be fun with the Jags, Steelers and Chargers looking the most likely to topple the borg.

The Bears tour of the AFC North continued apace. Trubisky's best game so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 11, 2017, 08:27:26 PM
Foles is a pretty good back-up. Plenty of experience and had a very good season with the Eagles a few years ago. I think the problem for the Eagles is that the NFC is so competitive compared with the AFC. Apart from the Pats it feels like there is no one in the AFC as good as the top 4-5 teams in the NFC.

NFC playoffs are going to be fun.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
Awful to see an injury like that to a star player at the top of his game. Foles is a much higher than average backup though so I wouldn't rule them out. AFC is going to be fun with the Jags, Steelers and Chargers looking the most likely to topple the borg.

The Bears tour of the AFC North continued apace. Trubisky's best game so far.

Tough break for Wentz. Was on target for the MVP in my view.
Dont know if it has been mentioned on here already but I did not realise until I watched the Pittsburgh game that Ryan Shazier's injury was as serious. Spinal surgery. The NFL is a great game to watch but some of the hits are unbelievable. 15 stone plus guys who can sprint at a pace that would not look out of place at the Olympics colliding at full pelt must be brutal on the body, even with the padding.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 12, 2017, 11:16:13 AM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 11:05:49 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
Awful to see an injury like that to a star player at the top of his game. Foles is a much higher than average backup though so I wouldn't rule them out. AFC is going to be fun with the Jags, Steelers and Chargers looking the most likely to topple the borg.

The Bears tour of the AFC North continued apace. Trubisky's best game so far.

Tough break for Wentz. Was on target for the MVP in my view.
Dont know if it has been mentioned on here already but I did not realise until I watched the Pittsburgh game that Ryan Shazier's injury was as serious. Spinal surgery. The NFL is a great game to watch but some of the hits are unbelievable. 15 stone plus guys who can sprint at a pace that would not look out of place at the Olympics colliding at full pelt must be brutal on the body, even with the padding.

Yeah I would say Shaziers injury has ended his career, it's been a brutal year for bad injuries. Bad one to lose for Pats last night, it's all on next week v Steelers for home field advantage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 11:21:11 AM
The Pats have lost 4 of their last 5 in Miami now, or something like that. Very un Patriots like really. If the Steelers can beat them next weekend, you'd think the PAts will struggle to get to the Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 12, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 11:21:11 AM
The Pats have lost 4 of their last 5 in Miami now, or something like that. Very un Patriots like really. If the Steelers can beat them next weekend, you'd think the PAts will struggle to get to the Superbowl.

You would worry for the Steelers that they are only scraping past what has been mediocre opposition the last few weeks. We will find out what they are made of this week 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
AFC is pretty awful. This is a poor Patriots team who have Tom Brady and Gronk. I think the Chargers are the best team in the AFC to be honest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
AFC is pretty awful. This is a poor Patriots team who have Tom Brady and Gronk. I think the Chargers are the best team in the AFC to be honest.

If the Chargers don't implode, they might be very dangerous. Their problem will be because of the 0-4 start, they are bound to have to go on the road to take on New England or Pittsburgh if they get that far. San Diego/Los Angeles in January is a lot different to Foxborough or Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
AFC is pretty awful. This is a poor Patriots team who have Tom Brady and Gronk. I think the Chargers are the best team in the AFC to be honest.

If the Chargers don't implode, they might be very dangerous. Their problem will be because of the 0-4 start, they are bound to have to go on the road to take on New England or Pittsburgh if they get that far. San Diego/Los Angeles in January is a lot different to Foxborough or Pittsburgh.

Its all set up for a Rodgers led Pack winning streak a la 2010.!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
AFC is pretty awful. This is a poor Patriots team who have Tom Brady and Gronk. I think the Chargers are the best team in the AFC to be honest.

If the Chargers don't implode, they might be very dangerous. Their problem will be because of the 0-4 start, they are bound to have to go on the road to take on New England or Pittsburgh if they get that far. San Diego/Los Angeles in January is a lot different to Foxborough or Pittsburgh.

Its all set up for a Rodgers led Pack winning streak a la 2010.!!

I wouldn't rule it out. NFC has a lot of good teams though. Just wonder if their defence is good enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 03:52:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 02:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
AFC is pretty awful. This is a poor Patriots team who have Tom Brady and Gronk. I think the Chargers are the best team in the AFC to be honest.

If the Chargers don't implode, they might be very dangerous. Their problem will be because of the 0-4 start, they are bound to have to go on the road to take on New England or Pittsburgh if they get that far. San Diego/Los Angeles in January is a lot different to Foxborough or Pittsburgh.

The Chargers are kings of surrendering fourth quarter leads. I'd be surprised if they even come close to a conference title tbh.

And thank feck they won't have home advantage - can you imagine how Mickey Mouse a home AFC championship game would look for the Chargers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

On top of that they've Casey Hayward who has been one of the best corners in the league this year but yeah, they've been geniuses at puking up when victory is in sight many times. I just think they're playing very well the last few weeks and they've a great chance if they do win out. If they beat the Chiefs (on recent form it's likely I'd say) they should be able to take a Bryce Petty led Jets. They might shit their togs then but if not will be a really dangerous playoff team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.

Most dangerous team I feel in the AFC race is the Jags. They have a mean D and with the Pats loss they could get a bye as well. Plus they have Coughlin there. Interesting times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 12, 2017, 05:15:49 PM
Don't think the Jags have the offense to hang with the big boys.

While their D is mean, they gave up two unbelievably soft scores to Russell Wilson in the 4th quarter on Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.

Most dangerous team I feel in the AFC race is the Jags. They have a mean D and with the Pats loss they could get a bye as well. Plus they have Coughlin there. Interesting times.

You won't win much with Blake Bortles. The AFC is still Pats or Steelers despite some trendy picks getting a mention here.

I'd love to see the Chiefs hit their early season form again, they looked like genuine SB contenders in their first half dozen or so games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.

Most dangerous team I feel in the AFC race is the Jags. They have a mean D and with the Pats loss they could get a bye as well. Plus they have Coughlin there. Interesting times.

You won't win much with Blake Bortles. The AFC is still Pats or Steelers despite some trendy picks getting a mention here.

I'd love to see the Chiefs hit their early season form again, they looked like genuine SB contenders in their first half dozen or so games.

Ravens won with Flacco. TB with Brad Johnson. Defense wins Superbowls. Dolphins showed the Pats up last night. Take the middle away from Brady, jam Cooks and they struggle. Plus it was evident how reliant they are on Gronk now. The Steelers are limping along. We've seen the Pats do this lots of times before and for every year that Brady has looked like the man, theres another year where he's looked ordinary. I'll stick with a Jags-Falcons Superbowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.

Most dangerous team I feel in the AFC race is the Jags. They have a mean D and with the Pats loss they could get a bye as well. Plus they have Coughlin there. Interesting times.

You won't win much with Blake Bortles. The AFC is still Pats or Steelers despite some trendy picks getting a mention here.

I'd love to see the Chiefs hit their early season form again, they looked like genuine SB contenders in their first half dozen or so games.

Ravens won with Flacco. TB with Brad Johnson. Defense wins Superbowls. Dolphins showed the Pats up last night. Take the middle away from Brady, jam Cooks and they struggle. Plus it was evident how reliant they are on Gronk now. The Steelers are limping along. We've seen the Pats do this lots of times before and for every year that Brady has looked like the man, theres another year where he's looked ordinary. I'll stick with a Jags-Falcons Superbowl

I don't go along with all of that but it's clear the Steelers and Patriots records flatter them. The Bears beat the Steelers and they were pushed to the wire by a very average Ravens last weekend. The Patriots have been getting by on other teams stupidity and Brady and Belichick's genius but Miami showed again what you need to do to beat them. I wouldn't rule them out but the bottom line is all the teams have warts and it's very difficult to predict. I think it will make for a very exciting postseason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 12, 2017, 06:05:04 PM
In fairness to the Steelers, their D has taken a big hot over the last month losing Haden and then Shazier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.

Most dangerous team I feel in the AFC race is the Jags. They have a mean D and with the Pats loss they could get a bye as well. Plus they have Coughlin there. Interesting times.

You won't win much with Blake Bortles. The AFC is still Pats or Steelers despite some trendy picks getting a mention here.

I'd love to see the Chiefs hit their early season form again, they looked like genuine SB contenders in their first half dozen or so games.

Ravens won with Flacco. TB with Brad Johnson. Defense wins Superbowls. Dolphins showed the Pats up last night. Take the middle away from Brady, jam Cooks and they struggle. Plus it was evident how reliant they are on Gronk now. The Steelers are limping along. We've seen the Pats do this lots of times before and for every year that Brady has looked like the man, theres another year where he's looked ordinary. I'll stick with a Jags-Falcons Superbowl

I don't know if you're trolling because Flacco's post-season stats that year were 11 TD - 0 INT and a passer ratting of 117.2. Comparing that to Bortles is mind-boggling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 06:22:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 06:15:09 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 12, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 12, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 12, 2017, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 12, 2017, 04:49:01 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
It'd be a home game for the other team :)  They are masters of impoding alright, but they have a lot of the parts. If Rivers stays hot he's very good. They have a legitimate receiver, and possibly a decent backup cast, They have a good  running back and scat back. They have a good D line. They have a good Tight End. They have a lot of the elements you need. But it's hard to see them going toe to toe with a really good team and winning.

They are now 7-6 after starting 0-4, so that's good form. Their last 3 games are @Chiefs, @Jets and v Raiders. They have it all in front of them. If they win out, they'll be 10-6 and they'll be dangerous. However when they lose to the Chiefs and away to the Jets, the last game will be moot :)

Chiefs could be a darkhorse for the Superbowl. When they are on they are really good and there were signs in the first half on Sunday that they had their mojo back. Then they showed everyone in the second half why they dont.

They'd need to cop on with their play calling. It improved a bit last week but as a Kelce owner in one of my fantasy league it has been frustrating watching the Chiefs. He's far and away their best receiver and has been criminally underutilised in my view.

Most dangerous team I feel in the AFC race is the Jags. They have a mean D and with the Pats loss they could get a bye as well. Plus they have Coughlin there. Interesting times.

You won't win much with Blake Bortles. The AFC is still Pats or Steelers despite some trendy picks getting a mention here.

I'd love to see the Chiefs hit their early season form again, they looked like genuine SB contenders in their first half dozen or so games.

Ravens won with Flacco. TB with Brad Johnson. Defense wins Superbowls. Dolphins showed the Pats up last night. Take the middle away from Brady, jam Cooks and they struggle. Plus it was evident how reliant they are on Gronk now. The Steelers are limping along. We've seen the Pats do this lots of times before and for every year that Brady has looked like the man, theres another year where he's looked ordinary. I'll stick with a Jags-Falcons Superbowl

I don't know if you're trolling because Flacco's post-season stats that year were 11 TD - 0 INT and a passer ratting of 117.2. Comparing that to Bortles is mind-boggling.

Yeah and his stats before playoffs were 22-10 wth 87.7. Nothing before that year or since that year has proved anything. His playoff run was a once in a lifetime run, carried by a great defence on a last ride
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 12, 2017, 07:29:41 PM
The Chiefs look like a busted flush to me. There defense has been brutal all year, even when they were winning early, and after their hot start their offense has been found out a bit. I wouldn't fancy their chances against any of the AFC playoff contenders at this stage.

I think the Jags have a chance, even with Bortles under centre, if only because the AFC is so mediocre outside of the Pats.

Homefield advantage is going to be quite important in the NFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 12, 2017, 09:27:13 PM
Can't see the jags. Cardinals beat them a couple of weeks ago. I think that afc south is overrated.  As I said Pitt burgh or new England for me but chargers and ravens as outside bets.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 13, 2017, 05:54:28 PM
Packers got a chance?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 13, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 13, 2017, 05:54:28 PM
Packers got a chance?

Nah, Panthers Vikes & Lions to finish. Doubt they win all 3, especially when you look at the fact the Browns should have beaten them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 13, 2017, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 13, 2017, 05:56:00 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 13, 2017, 05:54:28 PM
Packers got a chance?

Nah, Panthers Vikes & Lions to finish. Doubt they win all 3, especially when you look at the fact the Browns should have beaten them

Rodgers will be a big boost, but will he survive the first sack?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 17, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Well Rodgers wasn't good enough to get it done in Carolina. They lost 31-24.

The vikings clinched the nfc north with a cake walk 34-7 win over the Bengals.

The Seahawks are really struggling against the Rams down by 20 to nil in the first half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2017, 10:23:16 PM
Bad looking injury for Antonio Brown, just put the Pats in the Super Bowl ffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 17, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
Foles with four scores and zero interceptions to seal a first round bye. Handy backup to have but the Giants should have won it at the end and having got them to the redzone, Manning threw some terrible passes to try and get the score.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 17, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
This might be the end of the Seattle D. Obviously banged up so badly but giving up 34 in a half is so unlike them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 17, 2017, 10:40:33 PM
Would like to see the Eagles win out more now they have a backup QB. The best parts of the NFL are the unique stories that can crop up, in this case Foles coming full circle and returning to being the starter for the team that drafted him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 18, 2017, 12:11:39 AM
Patriots have just taken the lead over the Steelers with less than a minute left 27-24.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on December 18, 2017, 12:13:31 AM
You know he's going to throw it to Gronk but it's still impossible to stop him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on December 18, 2017, 12:14:27 AM
Some game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 12:14:43 AM
Unbelievable finish. Still time too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 12:17:59 AM
That is a shitty, shitty call. That's a catch and score ffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on December 18, 2017, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 12:14:43 AM
Unbelievable finish. Still time too!

No way that was dropped!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on December 18, 2017, 12:20:20 AM
call is absolutely wrong
in possession when it crosses the goal line
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on December 18, 2017, 12:20:58 AM
Quote from: heganboy on December 18, 2017, 12:20:20 AM
call is absolutely wrong
in possession when it crosses the goal line

Crazy... what a game though serious drama!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 18, 2017, 12:26:54 AM
NFL catch rules are a joke
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on December 18, 2017, 12:30:31 AM
How is that not a catch, joke. What is it with goal line slants and the pats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 12:38:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on December 18, 2017, 12:20:20 AM
call is absolutely wrong
in possession when it crosses the goal line

That only applies as a runner I think, no?

My problem is that I don't think he lost control throughout the process of the catch.

Huge implications for playoffs now. Steelers might as well skip the playoffs if they've to go to Foxborough, especially if they don't have Brown.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 18, 2017, 08:20:23 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on December 18, 2017, 12:26:54 AM
NFL catch rules are a joke

It is, haven't seen this but the one called a TD in the Panthers v GB game was ridiculous
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 18, 2017, 08:32:47 AM
It was clearly a misapplication of the (bullshit anyway) rule. He clearly caught the ball and pulled it in to himself. That was the catch completed right there. Then he made a separate, distinct movement - lunging for the line. Once the ball crossed the plain - TD.

Chargers blew it as only they can.

Can't expect Seattle's D to hold up with so many injuries - Wagner was playing but clearly compromised.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on December 18, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
The more I think about that call last night it was horrible. . . there was no way he dropped it just because the ball moves slightly when it's in your grasp isn't a drop in my book!! Maybe the Pats are just that lucky!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 18, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
I would give the Steelers a decent chance of beating the Pats, with Brown back, in the AFC title game. They would need to handle Gronk a bit better though, easier said than done

Thai isn't a great Pats team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 18, 2017, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 18, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
I would give the Steelers a decent chance of beating the Pats, with Brown back, in the AFC title game. They would need to handle Gronk a bit better though, easier said than done

Thai isn't a great Pats team

Not in Foxborough. I think Steelers blew their chance last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 18, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
The Pats lose to the Bills or the suspiciously decent Jets (both away divisional games) and the Steelers win out the potential AFC title game is still going to be in Pittsburgh. Lots of football to be played until the AFC game and more injuries are assured anyways. What looks obvious now won't in a month's time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 18, 2017, 04:57:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 18, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
The Pats lose to the Bills or the suspiciously decent Jets (both away divisional games) and the Steelers win out the potential AFC title game is still going to be in Pittsburgh. Lots of football to be played until the AFC game and more injuries are assured anyways. What looks obvious now won't in a month's time.

Can't see the Pats losing either of those. I could see them maybe getting turned over by someone daft like the Ravens in the AFC semi final. They own the Bills, but that game is in Foxborough, not Buffalo I think?. The Jets away might just be one, but it looks like the Jets don't have a QB at all now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 18, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 18, 2017, 04:55:28 PM
The Pats lose to the Bills or the suspiciously decent Jets (both away divisional games) and the Steelers win out the potential AFC title game is still going to be in Pittsburgh. Lots of football to be played until the AFC game and more injuries are assured anyways. What looks obvious now won't in a month's time.

Pretty sure both those Pats games are at home
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on December 18, 2017, 05:27:09 PM
The other owners would love this.  Promises better half time shows.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/sean-diddy-combs-buy-carolina-panthers-article-1.3706068
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
Pats are done travelling until the Super Bowl.

Impossible to state just how significant that call was. If it doesn't Helen, the AFC goes through Pittsburgh. Even with Brown back, Steelers won't win in Foxborough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 18, 2017, 08:35:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
Pats are done travelling until the Super Bowl.

Impossible to state just how significant that call was. If it doesn't Helen, the AFC goes through Pittsburgh. Even with Brown back, Steelers won't win in Foxborough.

They probably won't but I don't see it as a foregone conclusion, that Steelers D can do damage and upset Brady. 

Think the winner comes from the NFC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 18, 2017, 08:38:58 PM
They can't stop Gronk though. Shazier was badly missed yesterday. Haden back will help them out.

Agree that the NFC team will win it. Foles is definitely good enough to manage the riches he has. Rams could ride Gurley the whole way but if he goes down they're done. Vikings my pick at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 19, 2017, 12:42:13 AM
The Jags are going to be playing the Pats in Foxboro and they're exactly the type of team Brady struggles with in January!!!Heard it here first guys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 19, 2017, 09:06:13 AM
This is not a great Patriots team. They're very beatable. Their defence is terrible bar a decent secondary. If you just keep disciplined and take the easy 3-7 yards gains you'll make long, slow drives and keep Brady off the field. Their offence is very weakened without Edelman. Steelers left Sean Davis totally exposed against Gronk the last day which gave Brady the chick of light he needed and boy did he expose it. Remember the Bears beat Pittsburgh so it's not like they're unreal either. I'm pretty optimistic the Patriots don't win it this season.

Jags call is a good one. They are a truly excellent defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 19, 2017, 09:15:21 AM
I'm just not convinced by the Jags. They are in a bad position, and Blake Bortles is playing out of his mind at the moment. That can't continue surely. Then I saw a very poor Cardinals team handle them a few weeks ago. that's a CV stain right there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 19, 2017, 09:44:00 AM
Bortles looked good at the weekend but there's no way he does that in Foxborough in January.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 19, 2017, 10:37:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 19, 2017, 09:15:21 AM
I'm just not convinced by the Jags. They are in a bad position, and Blake Bortles is playing out of his mind at the moment. That can't continue surely. Then I saw a very poor Cardinals team handle them a few weeks ago. that's a CV stain right there.

The Bears made it all the way to the Superbowl with Rex" I can't throw an intermediate pass/checkdown unless it is an interception " Grossman under center!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 19, 2017, 11:24:23 AM
That's true, it can happen. I just don't think it will here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 19, 2017, 05:34:55 PM
The interesting thing about Bortles is where he ends up next season. Bar this recent run of competence (behind a good running game and stellar defense) he has been a disappointment. If he keeps this up through the playoffs then he going to get paid in the off season. This reminds me a little of the Flacco contract year when they won the Superbowl. With hindsight that contract looks like a big mistake.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
Quote from: Clov on December 19, 2017, 05:34:55 PM
The interesting thing about Bortles is where he ends up next season. Bar this recent run of competence (behind a good running game and stellar defense) he has been a disappointment. If he keeps this up through the playoffs then he going to get paid in the off season. This reminds me a little of the Flacco contract year when they won the Superbowl. With hindsight that contract looks like a big mistake.

He's not going to get a contract. He's going to get tagged, unless he agrees to a long term deal that is below or around market value for a below average starter.

There's no Flacco style contract coming for him in the off-season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 19, 2017, 06:00:10 PM
We'll see.
If he wins a playoff game, or God forbid, brings the Jags to the Superbowl he could end up with a contract that would greatly outweigh his value going forward - hence the Flacco comparison.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: Clov on December 19, 2017, 06:00:10 PM
We'll see.
If he wins a playoff game, or God forbid, brings the Jags to the Superbowl he could end up with a contract that would greatly outweigh his value going forward - hence the Flacco comparison.

He's still going to get tagged then. No team pays big money for someone who has four average years and is hot in the last few games. Just look at Cousins in Washington ffs, and he's way better than Bortles.

He's not getting the cast iron contract Flacco got if he does get one this season, it will be filled with incentives and allow the Jags to cut him after two years with little cap hit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 19, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
You are making the mistake of assuming that teams are rational, value optimizing decision makers. The NFL is littered with bad contracts - there are hundreds and every team has them. There are so many examples of players getting signed after 'four average years and then a few hot games', including QB's (e.g. Flacco). Cousins has been offered a contract and refused to sign.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on December 19, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
You are making the mistake of assuming that teams are rational, value optimizing decision makers. The NFL is littered with bad contracts - there are hundreds and every team has them. There are so many examples of players getting signed after 'four average years and then a few hot games', including QB's (e.g. Flacco). Cousins has been offered a contract and refused to sign.

The reason Cousins refused to sign was the contract was below market value.. proving my point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 19, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
That assumes we know we know why Cousins refused to sign - I don't think we do.

Regardless of the reasons why Cousins refused to sign if your wider point is that NFL contracts are are rational given the market constraints then i don't agree. There are lots of examples of bad contracts were teams have grossly over estimated the value of a player. Furthermore, i would argue the ability to accurately gauge the value of a player is one the key factors that distinguishes good teams with savvy personnel departments from bad teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Clov on December 19, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
That assumes we know we know why Cousins refused to sign - I don't think we do.

Regardless of the reasons why Cousins refused to sign if your wider point is that NFL contracts are are rational given the market constraints then i don't agree. There are lots of examples of bad contracts were teams have grossly over estimated the value of a player. Furthermore, i would argue the ability to accurately gauge the value of a player is one the key factors that distinguishes good teams with savvy personnel departments from bad teams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bruce-allen-redskins-offered-kirk-cousins-53-million-but-he-prefers-franchise-tag/

He was offered a contract that contained exactly $400,000 more in guaranteed money than he'd be getting on the transition tag next year. We know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 19, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
We don't know Cousin's reasons - you are imputing.

But let's suppose for a minute that the reason Cousin refuses to sign is because Washington's evaluation of him does not meet his evaluation of himself, rather than say a desire to play somewhere other than Washington - it's quite a leap to conclude that this means that Washington's evaluation is an accurate evaluation of his true market value. In fact there is a whiff of reductio absurdum about the argument that NFL teams accurately and without fail gauge player value - if all NFL teams accurately gauge the true market value of players there would never be any need for negotiation as it would be futile. Nobody would ever offer an above 'market value' contract and if any team ever offered a below market value contract another team (acting rationally) would step in with a market value contract and sign the player away. There is the further irony in your example of Cousins in that Washington is the team that is synonymous with the bad free agent contract (it's like they invented it!) - Albert Haynesworth for example.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 19, 2017, 08:19:46 PM
Just saw Derek Carrs f**k up on Sunday night.  Cowboys were lucky to get away with that one. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 19, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
I agree with you Clov, Washington did seem to invent it when Snyder bought the team. And you are right about some terrible contracts in the NFL, the only thing that saves teams is the non guaranteed nature of NFL contracts, a lot of the time it's "two years and we will see", but even if they do cut the player there is a cap hit.

Any QB that shows some competence will get paid, look at Glennon in Chicago in the off season, $15m a yr, Osweiler got a fortune from Houston for showing average ability in about 7 starts for the Broncos. The list goes on.

Bortles was very good two season ago so it's not as if this season is a total outlier.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 19, 2017, 08:50:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 19, 2017, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Clov on December 19, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
That assumes we know we know why Cousins refused to sign - I don't think we do.

Regardless of the reasons why Cousins refused to sign if your wider point is that NFL contracts are are rational given the market constraints then i don't agree. There are lots of examples of bad contracts were teams have grossly over estimated the value of a player. Furthermore, i would argue the ability to accurately gauge the value of a player is one the key factors that distinguishes good teams with savvy personnel departments from bad teams.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bruce-allen-redskins-offered-kirk-cousins-53-million-but-he-prefers-franchise-tag/

He was offered a contract that contained exactly $400,000 more in guaranteed money than he'd be getting on the transition tag next year. We know.

There's also the assumption that Cousins doesn't feel appreciated by the Redskins upper brass. Then factor in the Shanahan mindset where it was universally agreed that Cousins was going to follow KS to the 49ers.

Back to the point, there are very few viable alternatives available on the market who will automatically be better than Bortles. At present he leads the NFL in December in a host of stats. We can dismiss this or we can assume that perhaps maybe adjustments have worked and the Jags are heating up at the right time, either way they are an interesting team at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on December 19, 2017, 11:34:11 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 19, 2017, 08:19:46 PM
Just saw Derek Carrs f**k up on Sunday night.  Cowboys were lucky to get away with that one.

Not to mention indexcardgate!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 20, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.


Pat the vikings are not getting near the superbowl, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 20, 2017, 02:08:02 AM
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.


Pat the vikings are not getting near the superbowl, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

I do wonder sometimes if this is some elaborate art project to portray the most off-base and genuinely incorrect viewpoints imaginable, but then I look at the URL and realize I'm on GAABoard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 20, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.


Pat the vikings are not getting near the superbowl, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

Are you crazy ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 20, 2017, 09:46:07 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.


Pat the vikings are not getting near the superbowl, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

Are you crazy ?

It's a crazy post.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 20, 2017, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.


Pat the vikings are not getting near the superbowl, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

Are you crazy ?

You know the answer to that ffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on December 20, 2017, 04:24:59 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.

It's in Minneapolis this year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2017, 04:31:59 PM
Yup
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 20, 2017, 06:00:37 PM
Is there a bit of dissent in Pats land? See Darth Hoodie has banned TB12's trainer from the facility, field and plane. Big couple of weekends coming up, I seen a scenario yesterday where the Chargers still sneak in as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 22, 2017, 04:00:22 AM
http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/21840316/vince-mcmahon-sells-some-wwe-shares-fund-alpha-entertainment-llc

Please, please, please tell me the XFL is coming back.

If anything a crazy alternative league has more chance of being successful today than in 2000 due to the simmering apathy and anger with how the NFL conducts itself, particularly if it's spring league and doesn't have to compete directly with high school, college and NFL ball.

Just the idea of Vince McMahon running a sports league is interesting. He's both a great business man and an absolutely off-his-tits insane walking comic book character.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 22, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
The XFL was shite though. I was there for it's formation, and it was ridiculous. I remember 'He Hate Me' , Rod Smart. It was funny for a few games and then it got boring quick.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 30, 2017, 01:48:54 AM
Go Buckeyes! Puncture those Trojans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 30, 2017, 03:11:26 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 22, 2017, 08:29:40 AM
The XFL was shite though. I was there for it's formation, and it was ridiculous. I remember 'He Hate Me' , Rod Smart. It was funny for a few games and then it got boring quick.

Have you see the 30 for 30 on the XFL? They did a hell of a lot of stuff the NFL quietly copies over the last 15 Years, and were they to learn from their obvious mistakes they could definitely develop a viable spring league with the backing that someone like Vincent Kennedy McMahon Junior can provide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 30, 2017, 05:20:34 AM
Buckeye D-Line manhandles SC.  8 sacks!  JT Barrett sets Big Ten record for total yards, passing Drew Brees. That inconceivable Iowa result! O-H  I-O !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 31, 2017, 04:37:31 AM
Big Ten 7-0 in bowl games.  Michigan next up. 

And, of course, Michigan manages to turnover its way to defeat after having a win in the bag, so the Big Ten finishes at 7-1.  To a Buckeye fan, a Michigan defeat is almost always a good thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
Jesus the Browns, wide open WR Coleman drops it and consigns them to an 0-16 season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 31, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
Hooray Browns!

Perfect Pre-Season.       4-0
Perfect Regular Season 0-16

Parade in Cleveland to celebrate the accomplishment. Only the second team to post 0-16 perfection!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on December 31, 2017, 09:18:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: stew on December 20, 2017, 01:14:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 20, 2017, 01:04:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 19, 2017, 10:23:47 PM
So that's Rodgers done for the season

The vikings are happy about not having to face him on saturday. It sets the vikings up for 2 more wins against the Packers and Bears to end the regular season. That will get the vikings a bye in the playoffs at least and maybe homefield advantage to and including the superbowl.


Pat the vikings are not getting near the superbowl, they are one of the worst franchises in the NFL.

Are you crazy ?

The team are up there at the minute but they will find a way to eff up, but the organization is a mess.

I know people who work for the Vikings, they themselves say the franchise is inept as they have worked for the Packers and Patriots as well as one who worked for the Bears, all far superior in terms of organizational competence and structure. ( The roof is never going to collapse in lambeau, Foxboro or Soldiers Field for example)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 31, 2017, 10:50:50 PM
Well the worst run franchise in the NFL are 13-3 for the season. I am happy with that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 01, 2018, 11:18:29 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 31, 2017, 10:50:50 PM
Well the worst run franchise in the NFL are 13-3 for the season. I am happy with that.


Their roof caved in, they had Randy Moss ffs and could win nothing with him there, remind me again how many organizations have had their roof collapse onto the field since, oh I dunno, ever?

The Browns are probably worse, possibly worse and the Vikings will not wion the superbowl, they will dung the togs, its what they do!


In related news, the Badgers beat thre Floridians and have theor best coming back next year, Wisco to win it all next season. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 01, 2018, 05:51:41 PM
Auburn-UCF is a good lead in for the two big games tonight. Kerryon is fit again and with the UCF coach juggling two jobs at the minute I'd expect the Tigers to close out a good season, that was perhaps an injury away from being a great one, on a high. The ideal situation for Auburn next season is to return Stidham (sure bet), Pettaway (lead back in 2016, good chance) and Johnson (who knows?). You wouldn't find a better backfield than that in college ball next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 01, 2018, 06:05:31 PM
Stew, do not take away the one title we have--right now, the Browns are the worst organization.

Wisconsin should make a serious run next year, especially since they don't have to play Ohio State during the regular season, but they do have a few difficult away games: Northwestern, Michigan, and most difficult of all, Penn State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 02, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
Mayfield will be unbearable in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 12:19:07 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 02, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
Mayfield will be unbearable in the NFL.

There's a school of thought that he will be completely different in the nfl and it might not suit him. All he's ever wanted is to QB Oklahoma. The NFL won't have the same fire for him so he'll need something else to fire him up. An interesting character alright but he's a hell of a thrower.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 12:57:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 12:19:07 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 02, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
Mayfield will be unbearable in the NFL.

There's a school of thought that he will be completely different in the nfl and it might not suit him. All he's ever wanted is to QB Oklahoma. The NFL won't have the same fire for him so he'll need something else to fire him up. An interesting character alright but he's a hell of a thrower.

He has the Johnny Manziel braindeadness about him off the field. His best bet would be dropping in the draft to a team with an established starter where he can sit for a year or two and maybe calm the fûck down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 01:11:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 12:57:03 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 12:19:07 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 02, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
Mayfield will be unbearable in the NFL.

There's a school of thought that he will be completely different in the nfl and it might not suit him. All he's ever wanted is to QB Oklahoma. The NFL won't have the same fire for him so he'll need something else to fire him up. An interesting character alright but he's a hell of a thrower.

He has the Johnny Manziel braindeadness about him off the field. His best bet would be dropping in the draft to a team with an established starter where he can sit for a year or two and maybe calm the fûck down.

I know what you mean but I think he's different to manziel. He's getting it different in the second half today!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2018, 01:25:37 AM
What's the chances of the Browns taking Mayfield in light of Darnold's poor performance the other night?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 01:27:20 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 02, 2018, 01:25:37 AM
What's the chances of the Browns taking Mayfield in light of Darnold's poor performance the other night?

Given the obvious comparisons with Manziel there's no chance they take him. He's not really in the discussion for #1 unless everyone ahead of him that can opts to remain in college.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 02, 2018, 01:40:27 AM
I was thinking the same thing, Syf. He has definite Manziel appeal athletically. Darnold looks like every INT-throwing QBs we've drafted, and I don't think they see Rosen as ready.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 02:20:12 AM
What a finish. Dawgs go to the final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 02:21:40 AM
Georgia win in double OT. Most likely national title game is now Georgia-Alabama.

What will they be thinking on the Plains if they're watching their two biggest rivals, whom they beat well this season, playing for the big one?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 02, 2018, 02:29:01 AM
That was a great finish to that game.

Obviously Georgia won because God likes them more than Oklahoma according to the freshman QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 02:32:28 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 02, 2018, 02:29:01 AM
That was a great finish to that game.

Obviously Georgia won because God likes them more than Oklahoma according to the freshman QB.

Do you really need to be a massive twát about something a teenager said?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 04:07:28 AM
The Tide are an unbelievable machine. Just when Clemson had got a bit of traction, interception. And the big boy who got the INT caught the follow-up TD pass too..

EDIT: All over bar the window dressing with a pick-six by Bryant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 02, 2018, 07:41:24 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 02, 2018, 02:32:28 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 02, 2018, 02:29:01 AM
That was a great finish to that game.

Obviously Georgia won because God likes them more than Oklahoma according to the freshman QB.

Do you really need to be a massive twát about something a teenager said?

Syferus, you think that's me being a massive twat?

Not read this board much?

What got your knickers in a twist
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 02, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Stew will be glad to hear Ted Thompson is no longer Packers GM
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 02, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
John Fox had to go in Chicago but I think he didn't do the worst job overall - team definitely in better nick now than 2/3 years ago. Fangio has done a job on the defence so I hope he is retained. An offence minded coach is needed to help develop Trubisky plus a bit of luck to keep some receivers fit. Talk of the Philly QB coach being a possibility.

Trouble with the receiving corps is there's now a lot of guys with potential who have played very little and no good, experienced receiver to be a go to option. How can you cut or keep guys when you really don't know what they can do? Jordan Howard is a good, powerful RB who gets what's blocked and runs some guys over. Cohen is a nice complimentary RB. Shaheen looks promising at TE. I think da Bears can move forward and challenge for the NFC North soon after winning the AFC North this season.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 02:44:03 PM
Alabama and Georgia for it all next monday night. A great day for the SEC after LSU and Auburn both lost. That Conference is something else though.

I'm very suspect about the Oklahoma play calling there at the end of the Georgia game, they basically took it out of Mayfield's hands after he threw a brilliant pass rolling left to put them ahead. I wonder was he hurt or sick? Didn't look it to me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 02, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
Took a big knee to the ribs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 02, 2018, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on January 02, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
Took a big knee to the ribs

That looked dirty too, but he didn't seem affected by it as he scrambled around a few times later on, including that TD throw.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 04, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Stew will be glad to hear Ted Thompson is no longer Packers GM

Wolf Jnr groomed for this role for quite a while, anybody but a Browns GM will be better than right said Ted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2018, 11:03:55 AM
Quote from: stew on January 04, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Stew will be glad to hear Ted Thompson is no longer Packers GM

Wolf Jnr groomed for this role for quite a while, anybody but a Browns GM will be better than right said Ted.

Packers have cleaned house, DC & OC gone
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 04, 2018, 12:08:48 PM
Cardinals in full rebuild mode I'd say. Did quite well to finish 8 and 8 with a decimated squad with key injuries but Bruce Arians has retired and with him goes Carson Palmer.  A lot of Arians position coaches were old guys who have been with him a long time so I'd say they are gone too. Larry might call it a day too bease I doubt he's too interested in a rebuild at this stage. He is only about 400 yards behind TO for second in all time receiving yards so that might sway him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 04, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 04, 2018, 12:08:48 PM
Cardinals in full rebuild mode I'd say. Did quite well to finish 8 and 8 with a decimated squad with key injuries but Bruce Arians has retired and with him goes Carson Palmer.  A lot of Arians position coaches were old guys who have been with him a long time so I'd say they are gone too. Larry might call it a day too bease I doubt he's too interested in a rebuild at this stage. He is only about 400 yards behind TO for second in all time receiving yards so that might sway him.

Three consecutive seasons of 100 receptions and 1000+ yards, unless he's feeling beat up like Megatron (who never even had the intermittent team success Fitzgerald has had to sustain him) there's little reason from him to walk away from big money so close to setting new records. Palmer was done physically before he even got to the Cardinals, he did well to produce as much as he did. Arians is younger than Pete Carroll but in far worse shape.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 04, 2018, 01:16:58 PM
I haven't paid much attention to the NBA in the last few months other than scorelines. Can't believe all the trades that have happened!
Watched with delight the Celtics take it to the Cavs last night but the biggest surprise was the Cavs roster...They're really building and LeBron is not committing to a return next season.... Wade is getting old but a great pickup this season for them with Rose and Thomas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 04, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 04, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 04, 2018, 12:08:48 PM
Cardinals in full rebuild mode I'd say. Did quite well to finish 8 and 8 with a decimated squad with key injuries but Bruce Arians has retired and with him goes Carson Palmer.  A lot of Arians position coaches were old guys who have been with him a long time so I'd say they are gone too. Larry might call it a day too bease I doubt he's too interested in a rebuild at this stage. He is only about 400 yards behind TO for second in all time receiving yards so that might sway him.

Three consecutive seasons of 100 receptions and 1000+ yards, unless he's feeling beat up like Megatron (who never even had the intermittent team success Fitzgerald has had to sustain him) there's little reason from him to walk away from big money so close to setting new records. Palmer was done physically before he even got to the Cardinals, he did well to produce as much as he did. Arians is younger than Pete Carroll but in far worse shape.

Maybe he wants to remember his career ??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2018, 11:06:11 AM
The Cavs are building?! Other then LeBron they're done. Rose has been a dud for five years. His game was all about his explosiveness and the injuries have wrecked him. D-Wade is old and still can't shoot for 3 which gets more important every year. IT is a complete unknown as there's no telling what the injury will have done to him yet.

Meanwhile, Kyrie has blossomed at the Celtics, the Rockets have improved and GSW are as good as ever.

Keep an eye on the rookie Donovan Mitchell at the Jazz. He's absolutely sensational and outplayed the a Cavs a few nights ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 05, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 04, 2018, 01:16:58 PM
I haven't paid much attention to the NBA in the last few months other than scorelines. Can't believe all the trades that have happened!
Watched with delight the Celtics take it to the Cavs last night but the biggest surprise was the Cavs roster...They're really building and LeBron is not committing to a return next season.... Wade is getting old but a great pickup this season for them with Rose and Thomas.

D Wade was an incredible player, I watched him play in Milwaukee at College level and he was simply sublime, he is way past his sell by date but adds maturity and know how out there for the cavs, I hope he retires and becomes a coach, I think he would be an excellent coach given the clinics he has hosten in the Wisconsin area and beyond.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2018, 02:10:07 PM
Big rift in NE going by the ESPN story, makes the Jimmy G trade make more sense now, could have got a boat load of picks in the spring but ended up with a second in the Autumn. BB did it against his will. Hopefully the Death Star is breaking up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2018, 02:40:44 PM
They may have traded the perfect replacement for TB who will surely be gone in a year or two.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 05, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
Garropolo was getting fed up waiting around in Boston. He had to go. The Patriots were none the wiser to Jimmy Gs ability sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2018, 02:47:01 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 05, 2018, 02:43:21 PM
Garropolo was getting fed up waiting around in Boston. He had to go. The Patriots were none the wiser to Jimmy Gs ability sitting on the bench.

He was but they could have got much more in the spring than a second rounder, Brady basically told Kraft to trade him as he saw him as a threat

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle

Surprisingly BB is the only one to come out of it with any credit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2018, 04:24:57 PM
Robert Kraft is as much of a coying bellend as the other figureheads in NE. Seems incredible he'd go against the wishes of hoodie though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 05, 2018, 05:53:45 PM
I think you only have to listen to the affection when Kraft talks about TB to realise who will be the winner in this situation.  fully expect the Pats to stumble this year, either against the Chiefs or against the Steelers. While I don't believe the whole article, I'd imagine there is some element of truth to it. But moving on....
Whats the picks for this weekend? I fancy the Falcons to derail the rams, Panthers to stomp over the Saints. The Jags to stop Shady McCoy and the Chiefs to do a number on the Titans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2018, 06:24:03 PM
I'd love it if Andy Reid and Alex Smith win a ring. Both have came in for a lot of unwarranted abuse over the years and it would make a great story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on January 05, 2018, 07:29:03 PM
watched Mitchell
s highlights there against the Cavs - he's a serious talent. I worry though about the early arrogance of both him and Tatum at times. Probably goes away with age but can be the downfall of many players...
Who's your tip this year Gallsman to beat GSW?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 05, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
10 year deal for Gruden worth $100m, Raiders really are insane
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 05, 2018, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 05, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
10 year deal for Gruden worth $100m, Raiders really are insane

Are they? He's a quality coach and the Raiders finally have the makings of a good side so he doesn't have to build one from scratch either. Interesting times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 05, 2018, 09:03:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 05, 2018, 08:20:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 05, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
10 year deal for Gruden worth $100m, Raiders really are insane

Are they? He's a quality coach and the Raiders finally have the makings of a good side so he doesn't have to build one from scratch either. Interesting times.

Not sold on the Raiders. Not sold on Gruden being worth that money. Tough division for next few years. Think this will end in heartache.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on January 05, 2018, 09:14:17 PM
Be curious to see how Gruden and Carr get on.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/concerns-emerge-regarding-jon-gruden-derek-carr-relationship/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/concerns-emerge-regarding-jon-gruden-derek-carr-relationship/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 06, 2018, 07:12:15 AM
Quote from: The Iceman on January 05, 2018, 07:29:03 PM
Who's your tip this year Gallsman to beat GSW?

If Houston can't do it in the West, Celtics will be in the finals from the East. Still have GSW as comfortable favourites. Curry was back the other night and looked great.

Pop always gives Spurs a chance and when Kawhi is fully up to speed they can beat anyone but don't think they can outlast GSW over seven.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 06, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Wildcard weekend, who are people picking? I find it hard to make a case for any of the road teams winning.

Titans @ Chiefs
Falcons @ Rams
Bills @ Jags
Panthers @ Saints

There is normally one upset though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 06, 2018, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 06, 2018, 10:35:39 AM
Wildcard weekend, who are people picking? I find it hard to make a case for any of the road teams winning.

Titans @ Chiefs
Falcons @ Rams
Bills @ Jags
Panthers @ Saints

There is normally one upset though.


Falcons and possibly the panthers.

I cannot wait until the queens remember who they are and piss away another SB shot, they are shit as franchises go. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 06, 2018, 02:08:21 PM
Chiefs, Falcons, Jags, Saints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 06, 2018, 09:43:03 PM
Only shadow boxing in the afc this weekend saw titans and jags live in the last month and both looked poor, it's steelers pats in championship game with pats going to Super Bowl again
Chiefs jags rams saints
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 12:27:24 AM
The Titans are making a spicy enough comeback here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2018, 12:41:33 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 12:27:24 AM
The Titans are making a spicy enough comeback here.

Don't tell me it's Titans v Pats ??

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 12:48:23 AM
Kansas do Kansas. They'd sicken your shit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 07, 2018, 12:49:28 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 12:48:23 AM
Kansas do Kansas. They'd sicken your shit.

Aye fcuk them I give up, Pats cakewalk to AFC title game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on January 07, 2018, 01:02:42 AM
Had Kansas -8.5 to finish a 5 timer, when they went 21 -3 up at the half I thought I was home and hosed, esp when 21-10 and they muff the punt on the 30 ffs. Backed titans plus 7.5 when they missed the FG as I seen it coming just to cover me.

Gonna stay up for the next game as I'm half way through a wee wine, think matty ice and co might just show up and cool the rams red hot O.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 01:02:59 AM
In 2014 the Tide had Alvin Kamara, Derrick Henry, TJ Yeldon and Kenyan Drake on their books at RB - all four have already had at least one 1000 yard season in the NFL already.

Is it any wonder why Bama are the best team college football has ever seen?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 01:41:45 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 01:02:59 AM
In 2014 the Tide had Alvin Kamara, Derrick Henry, TJ Yeldon and Kenyan Drake on their books at RB - all four have already had at least one 1000 yard season in the NFL already.

Is it any wonder why Bama are the best team college football has ever seen?

Bama play good defense, are elite on both lines and have excellent running games. They've never needed a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 07, 2018, 01:43:23 AM
I didn't see that one coming. Falcons are off to a positive start as well. It could be 2 upsets tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 07, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
That's certainly a terrific stable of running backs, but you can only really play one or two of them at one time.  As good as that group is, give me a single RB stud over all of them e.g. Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, Eddie George.  I don't know who was the best college team ever, but a few teams would make a convincing claim to that title. Bama is probably the best recruiting team ever, but they're a bit like a Brazilian soccer team-- you can only start 11. Unfortunately, it's a hypothesis you can't really test.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 07, 2018, 02:17:02 AM
The Falcons are off to a 13-0 start. Still early in the second quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 02:35:49 AM
Rams back in it now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 02:50:50 AM
Some throw and catch there by Goff and Woods.

EDIT: This reviewing catches shíte has went completely over the top in the NFL. Absolute nonsense that's just slowing down the game. Listening to Michaels and Collinsworth trying to make sense of this stuff is comedy gold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 07, 2018, 04:10:41 AM
Falcons stretch their lead again to 13 after a Julio Jones td. Less than 6 minutes left for Rams to save their season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 04:27:45 AM
They spend all their time hand wringing about what is a catch and the referees can't be bothered to call blatant pass interference on the game-deciding play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 07, 2018, 08:31:23 AM
Chiefs shat themselves after Kelce got hurt. Embarrassing stuff and not at all on Smith. That unless Mahomes is absolutely lighting it up in practice, that should not be Smith's last game as a Chief.

Had a feeling the Falcons would turn the Rams over and think they've every chance of winning out in the NFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
Blake Bortles is stinking the joint out so far. Tyrod Taylor not much better but at least Taylor can run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
Blake Bortles is stinking the joint out so far. Tyrod Taylor not much better but at least Taylor can run.

And now Bortles has decided to just run it as well. It's like a harvard yale game from 1880.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 08:17:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 08:09:47 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
Blake Bortles is stinking the joint out so far. Tyrod Taylor not much better but at least Taylor can run.

And now Bortles has decided to just run it as well. It's like a harvard yale game from 1880.

Two teams getting nose bleeds from playing in January at the same time. Still waiting for a bit of a breakthrough. Even Carolina beating the Saints wouldn't be much of a shock given they made the Super Bowl two years ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 08:19:24 PM
I think that panthers saints game will be good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 08:26:54 PM
Be under no illusions.the jags will cause the pats serious trouble if they win through today.that defence is mean
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 08:47:53 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 08:26:54 PM
Be under no illusions.the jags will cause the pats serious trouble if they win through today.that defence is mean

I can't see it. Brady and belichick will get the ball out quick and the jags are poor enough v the run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 07, 2018, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 08:26:54 PM
Be under no illusions.the jags will cause the pats serious trouble if they win through today.that defence is mean

Bortles will have to play a lot better than today if they even want to get as far as the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:15:52 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 07, 2018, 09:06:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 08:26:54 PM
Be under no illusions.the jags will cause the pats serious trouble if they win through today.that defence is mean

Bortles will have to play a lot better than today if they even want to get as far as the Pats.

True. They are actually going to pittsburgh.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 09:17:21 PM
My bad.i thought they had to go to New England next week. Jags be hard to beat.but someone explain how that wasn't an incomplete pass?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.

Why are you having a go at McDermott there? Taylor was out and they had to throw it. Maybe wouldn't call an Out alright but I don't think I'd hang that on the coach.

As for Taylor, he's a poor thrower himself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.

Why are you having a go at McDermott there? Taylor was out and they had to throw it. Maybe wouldn't call an Out alright but I don't think I'd hang that on the coach.

As for Taylor, he's a poor thrower himself.

He's not a great thrower but as a QB he's so far ahead of Peterman it's not even funny. McDermott is only keeping his job because his insanity mid-season dropping Taylor didn't cost them a spot in the play-offs.

He's up shít creek without a paddle now with Taylor sure to walk, only a terrible rookie left on the roster and a poor draft position meaning they'll need to pay big to move up and grab a decent QB prospect in the draft. Mayfield in Buffalo looks the most attainable and he has big question marks hanging over his maturity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.

Why are you having a go at McDermott there? Taylor was out and they had to throw it. Maybe wouldn't call an Out alright but I don't think I'd hang that on the coach.

As for Taylor, he's a poor thrower himself.

He's not a great thrower but as a QB he's so far ahead of Peterman it's not even funny. McDermott is only keeping his job because his insanity mid-season dropping Taylor didn't cost them a spot in the play-offs.

He's up shít creek without a paddle now with Taylor sure to walk, a terrible rookie left and a poor draft position meaning they'll need to pay big to move up and grab a decent prospect in the draft.

I get all that. I thought you were blaming McDermott for the interception or for putting peterman in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 07, 2018, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 09:17:21 PM
My bad.i thought they had to go to New England next week. Jags be hard to beat.but someone explain how that wasn't an incomplete pass?
Because his arm was underneath the ball the whole time?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:25:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.

Why are you having a go at McDermott there? Taylor was out and they had to throw it. Maybe wouldn't call an Out alright but I don't think I'd hang that on the coach.

As for Taylor, he's a poor thrower himself.

He's not a great thrower but as a QB he's so far ahead of Peterman it's not even funny. McDermott is only keeping his job because his insanity mid-season dropping Taylor didn't cost them a spot in the play-offs.

He's up shít creek without a paddle now with Taylor sure to walk, a terrible rookie left and a poor draft position meaning they'll need to pay big to move up and grab a decent prospect in the draft.

I get all that. I thought you were blaming McDermott for the interception or for putting peterman in.

I'd prefer the veteran in that spot over Peterman, Joe Webb at least could have bought you time. Peterman is so under-cooked he looks like a frozen jambon out there. McDermott doesn't rate Taylor and it's caused him to severely over-rate how good Peterman is twice this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 09:27:52 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 07, 2018, 09:22:36 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 09:17:21 PM
My bad.i thought they had to go to New England next week. Jags be hard to beat.but someone explain how that wasn't an incomplete pass?
Because his arm was underneath the ball the whole time?

The ball clearly moved? Another bad call this weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 07, 2018, 09:32:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.

Why are you having a go at McDermott there? Taylor was out and they had to throw it. Maybe wouldn't call an Out alright but I don't think I'd hang that on the coach.

As for Taylor, he's a poor thrower himself.

He's not a great thrower but as a QB he's so far ahead of Peterman it's not even funny. McDermott is only keeping his job because his insanity mid-season dropping Taylor didn't cost them a spot in the play-offs.

He's up shít creek without a paddle now with Taylor sure to walk, only a terrible rookie left on the roster and a poor draft position meaning they'll need to pay big to move up and grab a decent QB prospect in the draft. Mayfield in Buffalo looks the most attainable and he has big question marks hanging over his maturity.

The Bills do have 2 first round draft picks they could use to trade up and get a qb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:25:02 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 09:14:31 PM
All Nathan Peterman does is throw interceptions. Well done coach McDermott.

Why are you having a go at McDermott there? Taylor was out and they had to throw it. Maybe wouldn't call an Out alright but I don't think I'd hang that on the coach.

As for Taylor, he's a poor thrower himself.

He's not a great thrower but as a QB he's so far ahead of Peterman it's not even funny. McDermott is only keeping his job because his insanity mid-season dropping Taylor didn't cost them a spot in the play-offs.

He's up shít creek without a paddle now with Taylor sure to walk, a terrible rookie left and a poor draft position meaning they'll need to pay big to move up and grab a decent prospect in the draft.

I get all that. I thought you were blaming McDermott for the interception or for putting peterman in.



I'd prefer the veteran in that spot over Peterman, Joe Webb at least could have bought you time. Peterman is so under-cooked he looks like a frozen jambon out there. McDermott doesn't rate Taylor and it's caused him to severely over-rate how good Peterman is twice this season.
It will be interesting to see where Taylor ends up if he leaves. His throwing is very raggedy. Missed a lot of open receivers today. He is athletic and a good runner. Seems like a leader too. Would the Bills franchise him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 07, 2018, 10:31:31 PM
A different game completely when 2 good QBs are playing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 11:45:34 PM
Jeff Reinhold is a better analyst than anyone on the big networks in the States.

EDIT: Googled him and found out he spent several days transporting a Hamilton Tiger-Cats (where he was coaching) player's belongings to Edmonton when he was traded. Class.

http://www.3downnation.com/2017/09/07/jeff-reinebold-helping-john-chick-dont-talk/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 11:45:34 PM
Jeff Reinhold is a better analyst than anyone on the big networks in the States.

EDIT: Googled him and found out he spent several days transporting a Hamilton Tiger-Cats (where he was coaching) player's belongings to Edmonton when he was traded. Class.

http://www.3downnation.com/2017/09/07/jeff-reinebold-helping-john-chick-dont-talk/

Nah syferus...Tony Romo is different gravy when it comes to analysis. Strahan and Howie Long good at it too. Reinhold is Sky's version of Marty Morrisey
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 07, 2018, 11:58:18 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2018, 11:45:34 PM
Jeff Reinhold is a better analyst than anyone on the big networks in the States.

EDIT: Googled him and found out he spent several days transporting a Hamilton Tiger-Cats (where he was coaching) player's belongings to Edmonton when he was traded. Class.

http://www.3downnation.com/2017/09/07/jeff-reinebold-helping-john-chick-dont-talk/

Nah syferus...Tony Romo is different gravy when it comes to analysis. Strahan and Howie Long good at it too. Reinhold is Sky's version of Marty Morrisey

Ok.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 12:48:42 AM
Cam has been playing lights out since the concussion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 08, 2018, 12:55:48 AM
Crazy finish.
I thought Cam was just outside the tackle box on the intentional grounding call.
The lack of a redzone target really hurt the Panthers in the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 12:59:14 AM
Great finish to a great game. Just shows there's no room for error in the playoffs.Gano makes the first FG, and Cam is Superman. Funchess had a chance in the end zone but couldn't re-set his feet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 08, 2018, 01:08:03 AM
4 man rush on the hail Mary and they just walked through to Cam. Embarrassing from the O-Line to not even give him a chance to give them a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 08, 2018, 01:09:44 AM
Just watched DJ almost get a 433 yard hole in one... Obscene!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 04:48:57 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2018, 01:09:44 AM
Just watched DJ almost get a 433 yard hole in one... Obscene!!!

He walked after saying "I caught it thin" LOL. He's da man
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 08, 2018, 09:54:29 AM
Thought Brees was fantastic last night. Looked calm throughout. Not sure that performance would be good enough to beat the Vikings though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 08, 2018, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 04:48:57 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2018, 01:09:44 AM
Just watched DJ almost get a 433 yard hole in one... Obscene!!!

He walked after saying "I caught it thin" LOL. He's da man

That shot was ridiculous, it is great to see him thriving, he seems like such a good lad, the missus however is said to be a bombscare down Jupiter way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 05:01:35 PM
Quote from: stew on January 08, 2018, 09:55:04 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 04:48:57 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 08, 2018, 01:09:44 AM
Just watched DJ almost get a 433 yard hole in one... Obscene!!!

He walked after saying "I caught it thin" LOL. He's da man

That shot was ridiculous, it is great to see him thriving, he seems like such a good lad, the missus however is said to be a bombscare down Jupiter way.

For any of you social media gurus, Paulina is certainly worth a follow on instagram,...bombscare or not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2018, 05:04:42 PM
she's "Great"s daughter?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
She is Wayne's daughter yes

Quote@ChicagoBears

We have officially named Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy as our new head coach.

Welcome to Chicago, #HeadCoachNagy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
She is Wayne's daughter yes

Quote@ChicagoBears

We have officially named Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy as our new head coach.

Welcome to Chicago, #HeadCoachNagy.

Weird choice. The Chiefs' offense has been haywire this year, mainly due to poor play-calling by the looks of things. Nagy chose not to rely on his star back when well up in the second half and run the game down. Chicago could be in for more mediocrity to add to the last 30 years of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
I have to agree with you and especially on KC's play calling. They also underused Kelce at crucial times his season. That said, Alex Smith looked amazing for a lot of the season and he's a pretty average QB.

I can only hope Fangio is being kept to run the defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 08, 2018, 06:07:48 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
She is Wayne's daughter yes

Quote@ChicagoBears

We have officially named Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy as our new head coach.

Welcome to Chicago, #HeadCoachNagy.

Weird choice. The Chiefs' offense has been haywire this year, mainly due to poor play-calling by the looks of things. Nagy chose not to rely on his star back when well up in the second half and run the game down. Chicago could be in for more mediocrity to add to the last 30 years of it.

Was that Nagy or Reid though? I know Reid handed over play calling, but that looked very Reid like.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 08, 2018, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
I have to agree with you and especially on KC's play calling. They also underused Kelce at crucial times his season. That said, Alex Smith looked amazing for a lot of the season and he's a pretty average QB.

I can only hope Fangio is being kept to run the defence.

I wouldn't be too worried about Nagy's playcalling in KC - he was only calling the plays for the final 4 regular season games in which they went 4-0 (Andy Reid called the plays the rest of the year). Despite being somewhat erratic on offense KC did look like the best offense in football for stretches this year which bodes well.

Fangio is a great DC - the best San Fran has had in the last 20 years imo. I was disappointed to see him leave. Chicago would do well to keep him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2018, 06:43:18 PM
Yeah i think Nagy will be an excellent hire for Bears & should help Trubisky
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on January 08, 2018, 06:49:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 08, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
She is Wayne's daughter yes

Quote@ChicagoBears

We have officially named Chiefs offensive coordinator Matt Nagy as our new head coach.

Welcome to Chicago, #HeadCoachNagy.

Weird choice. The Chiefs' offense has been haywire this year, mainly due to poor play-calling by the looks of things. Nagy chose not to rely on his star back when well up in the second half and run the game down. Chicago could be in for more mediocrity to add to the last 30 years of it.

Andy Reid was calling the plays for the game on Saturday though not Nagy!
Also when Nagy took over the play calling for the last 4 games of the regular season the Chiefs went 3-1 , averaged 29 points per game , averaged 421 yards offence per game and Alex Smith had 101 QB rating which is pretty good in fairness!!
Personally I would have given Fangio the head coach gig but I'm interested to see how Nagy goes over the next couple of seasons!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on January 08, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 08, 2018, 06:11:00 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
I have to agree with you and especially on KC's play calling. They also underused Kelce at crucial times his season. That said, Alex Smith looked amazing for a lot of the season and he's a pretty average QB.

I can only hope Fangio is being kept to run the defence.

I wouldn't be too worried about Nagy's playcalling in KC - he was only calling the plays for the final 4 regular season games in which they went 4-0 (Andy Reid called the plays the rest of the year). Despite being somewhat erratic on offense KC did look like the best offense in football for stretches this year which bodes well.

Fangio is a great DC - the best San Fran has had in the last 20 years imo. I was disappointed to see him leave. Chicago would do well to keep him.

The word going coming out at the moment is Nagy wants Fangio as his DC but whether he wants to stay after being passed over for the head coach gig is another question??
I would be delighted if Pace can get Fangio to stay on.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 07:36:12 PM
Georgia Alabama tonight boys...what we thinking?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 07:37:33 PM
Glad to see some of the comments suggesting Andy Reid might be more at fault for stupid play calling than Nagy. That's good.

Would be a disaster for da Bears if Fangio left. He has really made that defence into a proper Bears D again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 07:37:33 PM
Glad to see some of the comments suggesting Andy Reid might be more at fault for stupid play calling than Nagy. That's good.

Would be a disaster for da Bears if Fangio left. He has really made that defence into a proper Bears D again.

KC play calls the other night were typical of Andy Reid in the Playoffs, get a lead and then DON'T lean on your stud RB. Not convinced about Nagy though.  Anyone see McDaniels anywhere else next year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
Wasn't McDaniels rubbish as a head coach somewhere?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 08, 2018, 08:49:30 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 08, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
Wasn't McDaniels rubbish as a head coach somewhere?

Denver, think he was about 34 at the time. He will get another few goes at it, still very young. Pats will probably lose OC & DC, as Patricia looks to be Lions HC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 08, 2018, 08:50:47 PM
McDaniels had an 11-17 record at Denver
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 08, 2018, 09:17:34 PM
McDaniels will stay with NE, the hoodie leaves this year and McDaniels walks straight in. Just on Patricia, google his route to the NFL. Smart cookie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 01:48:24 AM
I'm watching a stream of the game that switches to ESPN Film Room during the stoppages and if anything listening to the six head coaches dissecting the game as it happens is more fascinating than the game itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 02:52:29 AM
Alabama stinking up the joint so far but will probably feel glad to only be 13-0 down at the half. This one is far from over with Alabama receiving the ball to start the second half but they need their offense to keep their defense off the field so it can rest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 03:37:48 AM
My God that has to be one of the all-time great drives in the history of college football by Tua Tugovailoa. Hurts benched at the half and Alabama's offense looks like it's reborn under a true freshman having his first meaningful minutes in college football 13 down in the national title game.

This one just got very interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 09, 2018, 03:45:01 AM
And back comes Georgia! Could have folded after the Bama TD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 03:54:50 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 09, 2018, 03:45:01 AM
And back comes Georgia! Could have folded after the Bama TD.

INT by the big boys on Bama's D-Line again. This one's really heated up now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 04:44:40 AM
Oh. My. God.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 09, 2018, 05:00:22 AM
OMG!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 09, 2018, 05:03:02 AM
You got to love College Football....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 05:08:40 AM
Quote from: omochain on January 09, 2018, 05:03:02 AM
You got to love College Football....

It's so much better than the NFL it's not even funny. I think only gaelic football is a better sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 09, 2018, 05:09:16 AM
Gerry O'Malley keeping the dogs in the game :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 09, 2018, 05:10:42 AM
You can't beat that for excitement
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 05:11:01 AM
scdfvxfsdgsdfsdfsfdsdfsdfsdfsdf

What a finish!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 09, 2018, 05:21:23 AM
Rats!  New superstar emerges.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 05:22:16 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 09, 2018, 05:21:23 AM
Rats!  New superstar emerges.

This comeback feels like the exclamation point on the Tide being the greatest dynasty in college football history. No doubts can remain now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2018, 10:52:53 AM
Is there no regulation that stops the Georgia kicker wearing glasses on the field?! That can't be good if he gets smashed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2018, 10:54:37 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 09, 2018, 10:52:53 AM
Is there no regulation that stops the Georgia kicker wearing glasses on the field?! That can't be good if he gets smashed.

I presume they are the sports goggles? Although he does look a bit like Rick 'Wild Thing' Vaughan.

Alabama are unreal. Saban is a brilliant bollix.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 09, 2018, 10:56:33 AM
I presume there's some sort of safety aspect to them alright but they genuinely looked like glasses rather then goggles. Why not just wear lenses?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 09, 2018, 02:36:06 PM
They are prescription

QuoteBlankenship has connected on 17 of 20 field goal tries this year, including a career-best of 55 yards right before halftime during Georgia's Rose Bowl double-overtime win over Oklahoma last week. Yet the senior has probably gotten more attention - and become a celebrity of sorts - for wearing thick glasses under his helmet during games.

He tried wearing thin-rimmed glasses during games at one point, much like the ones he was wearing during Media Day, but learned he wouldn't be able to continue with those.

"It's just to meet some equipment guidelines," Blankenship said. "We're not allowed to have any metal showing on our uniforms for games. Since the frames I had earlier in the season were metal frames, I wasn't allowed to wear them.

"So I have the Rec Specs that I wear. They have the same prescription in the lenses, so it doesn't affect my vision in any way. The specs are pretty sturdy, so even if I get knocked out on a kickoff return like I had against Vandy this season, the rec specs are going to be able to withstand it.

"I've tried contacts a couple of times in the past, but my eyes just can't handle it."

Blankenship somewhat understands why there is such a buzz about his glasses.

"I think maybe it's because there are so few football players, especially, that have them," Blankenship said. "I think glasses have become a little more popular in other sports. Basketball – there are some guys that are having them now. Baseball – Freddie Freeman (Atlanta Braves player) got them. But in football, it's really rare."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 04:19:06 PM
125 wins in the last ten seasons, 13 more than anyone else.

0 losses to teams outside the AP Top 20, the nearest team to them has 9.

5 national championships from 6 trips, including the last 3 in a row.

What Saban has done is phenomenal and nearly unbelievable in its scope. It's like being as dominant as Dublin in a sport stocked with Dublin-sized teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 09, 2018, 07:18:07 PM
It's an impressive run. There must be something in it though that he couldn't control Pro Athletes as opposed to amateurs. No denying what he's able to do is special. Tua looks special.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 09, 2018, 11:50:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 09, 2018, 05:08:40 AM
Quote from: omochain on January 09, 2018, 05:03:02 AM
You got to love College Football....

It's so much better than the NFL it's not even funny. I think only gaelic football is a better sport.

Bollocks, utter bollocks, it is not in the top five sports in America ffs!

College Hockey is better, College Basketball is better, March Madness is the best sporting event in America, alongside the run for Lord Stanleys cup, so NHL hockey is better, baseball is better and Athletics is better.

There is hardly and defence in college football, I have seen many games were a hundred points or more were scored, that is great for the weak minded, bad for those who appreciate great D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 10, 2018, 03:51:27 AM
From my vantage point, a sport's interest factor is dependent on my rooting interest.  I'll grant you, Stew, that March Madness is exciting, but most of the rest of a season that has too many games is blah, and the same goes for the NBA (except for the Cavs). I enjoy baseball when the Indians are involved, but otherwise I watch few games (season is way, way too long). As for hockey, Cleveland doesn't have an NHL franchise, so I watch no pro games. I've watched tons of matches in which my high school is involved, boys and girls.  Exciting stuff but in truth I've a hard time seeing the puck.  Because of Ohio State I follow college football closely, and because the season's short, and every game matters, I follow not only the fortunes of the Big 10 teams, but every other conference too. So, for me it's college football that's #1. I do follow the NFL, thanks largely to AZOffaly and fantasy football, and I'm a keen Browns backer (the horror!). Love track and field and, of course, the World Cup and Euro Championship. Gaelic football and hurling are my favorites, though, but college football is pretty close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 10, 2018, 08:44:33 AM
The rankings ruin college football for me. In the playoffs the #4 seed were clear favourites against the #1 seed in the semi and also clear favourites in the final. That's all you need to know - the rankings are bullshit and everyone knew it (certainly the market did). You do get some exciting games but deciding teams fates based on the votes of journalists......no thanks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 10, 2018, 09:25:59 AM
Bama lost to Auburn who in turn lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game. Hence they didn't even win the SEC West this season. Ranking Bama ahead of Georgia would have been insane - the rankings are about what you have done, not what you're capable of doing.

If that were the case Auburn would be #1 now having beaten both finalists this season by double digits.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2018, 09:56:47 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 10, 2018, 08:44:33 AM
The rankings ruin college football for me. In the playoffs the #4 seed were clear favourites against the #1 seed in the semi and also clear favourites in the final. That's all you need to know - the rankings are bullshit and everyone knew it (certainly the market did). You do get some exciting games but deciding teams fates based on the votes of journalists......no thanks.

They are not based on the votes of journalists. The College Football Playoff Committee is made up of ex coaches, sports administrators and other non affiliated qualified people. the AP Poll, which is journalists, is not used or referenced. For the record, the 2017 CFP Committee Was:
Kirby Hocutt - AD Texas Tech.
Frank Beamer - Legendary Head Coach at Virginia Tech
Jeff Bower - Former Head Coach at University of Southern Mississippi
Herb Deromedi - Former Head Coach, Central Michigan University
Chris Howard - President, Robert Morris University
Tom Jernstedt - Former NCAA Executive Vice President
Bobby Johnson - Former Head Coach, Vanderbilt
Jeff Long - Former Director of Athletics, University of Arkansas
Rob Mullens - Director of Athletics, University of Oregon
Dan Radakovich - Director of Athletics, Clemson University
Gene Smith - Director of Athletics, Ohio State University
Steve Wieberg - Former College Football Reporter, USA TODAY
Tyrone Willingham - Former Head Coach of Three FBS Institutions

College Football, in my view, as a total package is better than the NFL. The quality on the field is not as high, of course not. There are 129 Division 1 (FBS) schools, with between 80 and 110 players on the rosters. Of course that dilution of talent means the product is not as good as a 32 team * 60 player league.

The rankings are subjective, and a problem, especially if you come from a 'group of five' school, but I believe the job of the CFP is to get the best four teams into the final four. And while I disagree with some of the comments they issue in the season, and how they then contradict themselves, the best teams have been there the last several years, I believe.

With so many teams eligible, and with so many conference championships, there is no way you can have all teams playing each other to solve the rankings on the field, so the CFP is probably the best solution available at the moment, potentially with the option of expanding it to 8 or 16 I suppose.

However, as a 'sport' in the holistic sense, with the tradition, the atmosphere, the exciting games (even if they are not great quality in some cases) then it's hard to beat. The tradition is a huge thing, and the fact that they are not franchises is a massive bonus. If you are a fan of the Oakland Raiders, are you going to love the Las Vegas Raiders? Probably hard to do if you are living in Oakland and see them leave for money reasons.

People in the Bay Area are unlikely to see Stanford University decamp to Florida, or Cal head up the road to Oregon. And as such the rivalries and emotional attachments will always be there. There'll always be an Auburn-Alabama, a Notre Dame-USC, all the way down to an Arizona - Arizona State and the like.

As a dispassionate viewer, the Pro Sports are obviously better, but I prefer to view sports as a more complete package, and that's why I love College Football.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 10, 2018, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 10, 2018, 09:25:59 AM
Bama lost to Auburn who in turn lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game. Hence they didn't even win the SEC West this season. Ranking Bama ahead of Georgia would have been insane - the rankings are about what you have done, not what you're capable of doing.

If that were the case Auburn would be #1 now having beaten both finalists this season by double digits.

No, UCF would :) Also, I don't agree with this - the rankings are about what you have done, not what you're capable of doing.

I think you articulated it better when you said that it's about the 4 best teams. The committee tie themselves up in knots when they try justify stuff. Most Deserving versus Best Record, Conference Championships weighted, Strength of Schedule etc. If Alabama were ranked on what they had done, rather than how good the committee knew them to be vis a vis the other teams, they'd have been outside the top 4. Didn't beat Auburn, didn't win their division or their conference. Few wins against top 25 teams etc. However, the committee knew since day 1 that Bama were the best team in the country on a neutral site, or damn near it, and in the end they were proven right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 10, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
I stand corrected on the ranking committee members. Still think the system is garbage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 10, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: stew on January 04, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Stew will be glad to hear Ted Thompson is no longer Packers GM

Wolf Jnr groomed for this role for quite a while, anybody but a Browns GM will be better than right said Ted.

Wolf Jr away to the Browns
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on January 10, 2018, 08:40:53 PM
Agree with your points about the selection committee - ultimately their job is to select the 4 best teams in the country - how they tend to try justify this is beyond comprehension at times!!

As for college vs the pros - I tend to enjoy both as their own individual sports. College is great and agree with the point around tradition and the unpredictability of it. The regular season is fantastic however for me the whole bowl season is a bit of a nonsense!! Apart from the 4 team playoff, only the odd bowl game that is watchable - that means in a competition with 129 teams - only 4 have a proper postseason!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 10, 2018, 10:41:59 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 10, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: stew on January 04, 2018, 10:09:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 02, 2018, 12:01:56 PM
Stew will be glad to hear Ted Thompson is no longer Packers GM

Wolf Jnr groomed for this role for quite a while, anybody but a Browns GM will be better than right said Ted.

Wolf Jr away to the Browns

Really, good luck to him, he is a good un, I hope he does well, he was the hot favourite for the packers gig but your man that got it blew the roof off in the interviews.

I would love to see the Browns have a decent season next fall, Wolf, if he is Half the man Ron was in the role will be brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 10, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
What possesses any man to take a post with the Browns???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 10, 2018, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 10, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
What possesses any man to take a post with the Browns???

The chance to be the first man in history to take them to the promised land...................... A division title. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 10, 2018, 11:28:48 PM
Quote from: stew on January 10, 2018, 11:23:49 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 10, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
What possesses any man to take a post with the Browns???

The chance to be the first man in history to take them to the promised land...................... A division title. )

Its like a sustained period of ineptitude. I think Wolf has watched Draft Day too many times. You reckon they'll take a QB with No.1?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 11, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Stew, I know we're bad, but the Browns have won Divisional titles and 4 NFL ones, albeit aeons ago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 11, 2018, 03:50:08 AM
Report out there saying Kirk Cousins would seriously consider playing for the Browns. Must be a ploy to get Washington to pay him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2018, 08:49:40 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 10, 2018, 10:46:58 PM
What possesses any man to take a post with the Browns???

Passed over for the GM job in Green Bay, blocked even applying for several other GM posts in the last few years. You can hardly blame him for jumping ship. Alonzo Highsmith, another Packers executive has also moved to the Browns, who are actually in a position to do something with the front office people they have hired in the last few weeks, alongside new GM John Dorsey. They have huge draft capital and plenty of cap space. Whether they do or not is another thing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2018, 09:09:27 AM
I think the Browns is a great opportunity for anyone with a bit of belief in themselves. They need a QB obviously but have loads of draft capital and cap space as mentioned above. They have a really nice receiving corps. I'd be tempted if I were them to get a proven NFL QB in free agency (like Cousins) and target other positions in the draft. Make sure whoever the QB is that he's protected and given time to deliver.

There's no way this team is as bad as their record over the last 2 seasons looks. Hue Jackson is a problem though, don't think he has what it takes to be a head coach. Decent RB coach maybe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn't fly with me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 11, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn’t fly with me.
I think it would make some sense. Not saying it will happen but Cousins is only 29 and is a better QB day one than any of the college QB's. He's thrown for over 4000 yards with a better than 2:1 TD/INT ratio this past 3 years.
If it were up to me I'd probably take a QB at 1, Barkley at 4 if he's still there (if not take a RB in 2nd round) and then spend their money on defense, similar to what Jacksonville have done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 11, 2018, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 11, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn't fly with me.
I think it would make some sense. Not saying it will happen but Cousins is only 29 and is a better QB day one than any of the college QB's. He's thrown for over 4000 yards with a better than 2:1 TD/INT ratio this past 3 years.
If it were up to me I'd probably take a QB at 1, Barkley at 4 if he's still there (if not take a RB in 2nd round) and then spend their money on defense, similar to what Jacksonville have done.

Cousins is underrated in my opinion, he has had absolutely no weapons so his numbers are pretty good when you look with what he has had to work with.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 11, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn't fly with me.
I think it would make some sense. Not saying it will happen but Cousins is only 29 and is a better QB day one than any of the college QB's. He's thrown for over 4000 yards with a better than 2:1 TD/INT ratio this past 3 years.
If it were up to me I'd probably take a QB at 1, Barkley at 4 if he's still there (if not take a RB in 2nd round) and then spend their money on defense, similar to what Jacksonville have done.

I don't doubt he's good but when you're 1-31 over the last two seasons you're not exactly primed for a playoff push. A cap friendly franchise QB that you can get five cheap years out of seems the smart play. It's not like they have to spend any more of their picks to move up in the draft. They can choose the best QB of one of the best draft classes in a long time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2018, 12:26:00 PM
Spending money in free agency wisely is what a lot of the top achieving teams are doing. I think Cousins alone would transform that offence.....would be the first time he had decent weapons at his disposal. I know Crowell isn't great but he's just about adequate. Gordon and Coleman are genuine playmakers as is Duke Johnson and I like the look of Njoku. There's no reason why the Browns couldn't pick up 6 wins next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 11, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn't fly with me.
I think it would make some sense. Not saying it will happen but Cousins is only 29 and is a better QB day one than any of the college QB's. He's thrown for over 4000 yards with a better than 2:1 TD/INT ratio this past 3 years.
If it were up to me I'd probably take a QB at 1, Barkley at 4 if he's still there (if not take a RB in 2nd round) and then spend their money on defense, similar to what Jacksonville have done.

I don't doubt he's good but when you're 1-31 over the last two seasons you're not exactly printed for a playoff push. A cap friendly franchise QB that you can get five cheap years out of seems the smart play. It's not like they have to spend any more of their picks to move up in the draft. They can choose the best QB of one of the best draft classes in a long time.

I know this is a good QB class, but is it full of NFL ready QBs? A lot of NCAA teams don't play QB under centre a lot, and even in throwing, from what I've seen of Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Allen and Mayfield, they are still quite raw. I think Mayfield might be able to play in a scramble mode, but I'm not sure any of them are in the same mould as a DeShaun Watson, Cam Newton or even Jameis Winston in their readiness to play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 11, 2018, 12:34:49 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 11, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Stew, I know we're bad, but the Browns have won Divisional titles and 4 NFL ones, albeit aeons ago.

Post modern Artistic License Orais, I want youse to win for the people, it is a brilliant sports town altogether, kinda like Green Bay in that regard, only much bigger and with less championships. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 11, 2018, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 11, 2018, 12:26:00 PM
Spending money in free agency wisely is what a lot of the top achieving teams are doing. I think Cousins alone would transform that offence.....would be the first time he had decent weapons at his disposal. I know Crowell isn't great but he's just about adequate. Gordon and Coleman are genuine playmakers as is Duke Johnson and I like the look of Njoku. There's no reason why the Browns couldn't pick up 6 wins next season.

Coleman? Has had an absolute bust of a season.

Spending money wisely in free agency is a very rare thing in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 11, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn't fly with me.
I think it would make some sense. Not saying it will happen but Cousins is only 29 and is a better QB day one than any of the college QB's. He's thrown for over 4000 yards with a better than 2:1 TD/INT ratio this past 3 years.
If it were up to me I'd probably take a QB at 1, Barkley at 4 if he's still there (if not take a RB in 2nd round) and then spend their money on defense, similar to what Jacksonville have done.

I don't doubt he's good but when you're 1-31 over the last two seasons you're not exactly printed for a playoff push. A cap friendly franchise QB that you can get five cheap years out of seems the smart play. It's not like they have to spend any more of their picks to move up in the draft. They can choose the best QB of one of the best draft classes in a long time.

I know this is a good QB class, but is it full of NFL ready QBs? A lot of NCAA teams don't play QB under centre a lot, and even in throwing, from what I've seen of Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Allen and Mayfield, they are still quite raw. I think Mayfield might be able to play in a scramble mode, but I'm not sure any of them are in the same mould as a DeShaun Watson, Cam Newton or even Jameis Winston in their readiness to play.

Rosen played in a pro style system, he's definitely more ready on paper than Watson (who I couldn't believe was so underrated heading into the draft, it was clear he has the X factor you want from a franchise QB) or even Cam. I'm probably more interested to see where Mayfield and Jackson end up, the Browns have an awful record of ruining perfectly good QBs so it mightn't matter who they pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2018, 01:16:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:46:58 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 11, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
It would make no sense that a team as bad as the Browns, owning the first pick, would even be in the Cousins market. Not unless they think Rosen. Allen, Darnold and even Mayfield are totally useless. Even Lamar Jackson being developed under Hue Jackson would be more attractive to my eyes. Sinking so much cap space at QB when rebuilding doesn't fly with me.
I think it would make some sense. Not saying it will happen but Cousins is only 29 and is a better QB day one than any of the college QB's. He's thrown for over 4000 yards with a better than 2:1 TD/INT ratio this past 3 years.
If it were up to me I'd probably take a QB at 1, Barkley at 4 if he's still there (if not take a RB in 2nd round) and then spend their money on defense, similar to what Jacksonville have done.

I don't doubt he's good but when you're 1-31 over the last two seasons you're not exactly printed for a playoff push. A cap friendly franchise QB that you can get five cheap years out of seems the smart play. It's not like they have to spend any more of their picks to move up in the draft. They can choose the best QB of one of the best draft classes in a long time.

I know this is a good QB class, but is it full of NFL ready QBs? A lot of NCAA teams don't play QB under centre a lot, and even in throwing, from what I've seen of Darnold, Rosen, Jackson, Allen and Mayfield, they are still quite raw. I think Mayfield might be able to play in a scramble mode, but I'm not sure any of them are in the same mould as a DeShaun Watson, Cam Newton or even Jameis Winston in their readiness to play.

Rosen played in a pro style system, he's definitely more ready on paper than Watson (who I couldn't believe was so underrated heading int the draft, it was clear he has the X factor you want from a franchise QB) or even Cam. I'm probably more interested to see where Mayfield and Jackson end up, the Browns have any awful record of ruining perfectly good QBs so it mightn't matter who they pick.

Watson did a hell of a lot of work on his throwing motion after the season and before the draft. He was not ready in January, albeit he definitely had the intangibles. Now he seems to have gotten better with his footwork and release, and he's excellent. Hopefully this injury doesn't make him regress.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
3 UK games released

QuoteSeattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, Tottenham stadium, Oct. 14.

Philadelphia Eagles vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

Tennessee Titans vs. Los Angeles Chargers, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 11, 2018, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
3 UK games released

QuoteSeattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, Tottenham stadium, Oct. 14.

Philadelphia Eagles vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

Tennessee Titans vs. Los Angeles Chargers, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

I'll probably try get to Eagles Jags.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2018, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
3 UK games released

QuoteSeattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, Tottenham stadium, Oct. 14.

Philadelphia Eagles vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

Tennessee Titans vs. Los Angeles Chargers, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

Will there be a 4th? Thinking of Seahawks/Raiders unless there's a 4th game involving Chicago. Had been rumours of Bears @ Dolphins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 11, 2018, 04:42:05 PM
QuoteI'll probably try get to Eagles Jags.

Will have to try and get that to that one.

when do tickets come out?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2018, 04:47:10 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 11, 2018, 04:39:36 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 11, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
3 UK games released

QuoteSeattle Seahawks vs. Oakland Raiders, Tottenham stadium, Oct. 14.

Philadelphia Eagles vs. Jacksonville Jaguars, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

Tennessee Titans vs. Los Angeles Chargers, Wembley Stadium, Oct. 21 or 28.

Will there be a 4th? Thinking of Seahawks/Raiders unless there's a 4th game involving Chicago. Had been rumours of Bears @ Dolphins.

Not looking like it Seanie

QuoteThe decision to cut back from four games to three in 2018 was made in part to ensure the new Tottenham Hotspur stadium is in order following its opening.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905327/article/nfl-announces-three-enticing-london-2018-matchups?campaign=tw-nf-sf178928818-sf178928818&sf178928818=1

Declan - ticket info released next week - the 18th

Ticketing details will be announced by NFL UK on January 18. Anyone interested in registering their interest in attending any of the games can do so at www.ticketmaster.com/nfl to ensure they receive all the latest information.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 11, 2018, 04:48:35 PM
The Chargers would be as well to play all their home games in London.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2018, 04:59:36 PM
Ah, that's that so. A mate of mine is a Raiders fan and will be on for that one but I'd go to any of them. Even Titans/Chargers would be good if the Titans had proper coaching on offence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 11, 2018, 10:34:25 PM
On the Browns, as bad as their record has been the last 2 years I still don't think they were any worse than the Niners pre the Garropolo trade or the Rams prior to hiring McVay. A decent QB and good coaching can go a long way in the NFL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 12, 2018, 02:29:11 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 11, 2018, 10:34:25 PM
On the Browns, as bad as their record has been the last 2 years I still don't think they were any worse than the Niners pre the Garropolo trade or the Rams prior to hiring McVay. A decent QB and good coaching can go a long way in the NFL.

Not when you are 0-16, trade the first pick, trade the second pick and get as many 3-5th round picks as you can, when you are this bad you need to take chances, a blue chip QB is not going to be ready to get pounded for 2-3 years and coaches no longer have that time, get a servicable QB and draft the future QB next year and go from there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 12, 2018, 08:13:43 AM
QuoteDeclan - ticket info released next week - the 18th

Ticketing details will be announced by NFL UK on January 18. Anyone interested in registering their interest in attending any of the games can do so at www.ticketmaster.com/nfl to ensure they receive all the latest information.

Cheers Gab. Was on the bucket list to attend an Eagles game in the City of Liberty but Wembley might have to do :)l
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: stew on January 12, 2018, 02:29:11 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 11, 2018, 10:34:25 PM
On the Browns, as bad as their record has been the last 2 years I still don't think they were any worse than the Niners pre the Garropolo trade or the Rams prior to hiring McVay. A decent QB and good coaching can go a long way in the NFL.

Not when you are 0-16, trade the first pick, trade the second pick and get as many 3-5th round picks as you can, when you are this bad you need to take chances, a blue chip QB is not going to be ready to get pounded for 2-3 years and coaches no longer have that time, get a servicable QB and draft the future QB next year and go from there.

Alex Smith, Tyrod Taylor, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater all out of contract as well as Cousins. You're not winning a Superbowl with any of them (bar possibly Cousins) but they need stability at that position first. Honestly the Browns are not as bad as 0-16......they threw away a few games they should have won. Yes, they need to shore up the o-line and bolster the defence but they have huge cap space available and a lot of draft capital. They could rebound very quickly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2018, 09:29:03 AM
Just on that, a top QB is the quickest path to a superbowl of course, but Average QBs can and will win Superbowls. There's recent enough examples where defense and a good running game were the drivers, and the QB just had to be average or above. I'm sure a lot of people said you can't win a superbowl with Trent Dilfer. I think the biggest problem the Browns have had up to now is reaching for the silver bullet. The QB who will win for them. Problem is the QB is a leader, and can drive you on, but only if he has something to drive. The Browns have had bad coaching and too many bad players. I think a sustainable team is built from the inside out. Start with the lines on both sides of the ball, and then work out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
They were always going to struggle with the people they had in the front office, pretty much all based on "analytics", as opposed to scouting and having "football people". Front office is responsible for getting you the players, obviously Hue Jackson hasn't covered himself in glory either. They seem to have remedied their problems in the front office with the hires of John Dorsey as GM & Alonzo Highsmith & Rob Wolf Jr from the Packers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2018, 10:00:55 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
They were always going to struggle with the people they had in the front office, pretty much all based on "analytics", as opposed to scouting and having "football people". Front office is responsible for getting you the players, obviously Hue Jackson hasn't covered himself in glory either. They seem to have remedied their problems in the front office with the hires of John Dorsey as GM & Alonzo Highsmith & Rob Wolf Jr from the Packers.

Yeah, GM builds the team, coaches coach the team. But the Browns always seemed to chase the big ticket, and then ended up not getting anything out of them because the team around them was flawed and the coaching was flawed. If you have a really good O Line and protection schemes, even an average NFL quality QB can make throws and a slightly above average Running back can be relatively successful.

If you have All Star calibre QBs running for their lives, or All Star calibre Running Backs being met in the backfield, then they are going to fail regardless.  American Football is truly a team game, where stars can do nothing without the footsoldiers laying the groundwork.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 10:03:20 AM
Eli Manning has 2 Superbowls!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2018, 10:14:46 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 10:03:20 AM
Eli Manning has 2 Superbowls!

On his day Eli is above Average, but he's not Brett Favre or Aaron Rogers and he has the same amount as them combined :) But that's what I mean. A decent QB given great protection and with a solid run game can easily be a force in the playoffs. Obviously defense is a factor too, which is why Favre and Rogers don't have more probably. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 10:20:14 AM
Kizer might actually be ok but we can't know because he has been running for his life. Like a succession of other QB's for Cleveland. Brian Hoyer actually looked decent there for a spell when he had a good line protecting him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 12, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 10:20:14 AM
Kizer might actually be ok but we can't know because he has been running for his life. Like a succession of other QB's for Cleveland. Brian Hoyer actually looked decent there for a spell when he had a good line protecting him.

Browns has one of the best lines in the NFL a few years ago, Joe Thomas, Schwartz, Alex Mack. I do think if you hit gold with a great QB it makes a lot of areas of the team look better, OL included. Rodgers being the prime example. OL is also an area where you can pick up more than serviceable players later in the draft that can be improved with good coaching. They have some decent players, Garrett looks to be special & makes a good pairing with Ogbah, Shelton very good, the TE looks decent
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 12, 2018, 10:46:15 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 12, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 10:20:14 AM
Kizer might actually be ok but we can't know because he has been running for his life. Like a succession of other QB's for Cleveland. Brian Hoyer actually looked decent there for a spell when he had a good line protecting him.

Browns has one of the best lines in the NFL a few years ago, Joe Thomas, Schwartz, Alex Mack. I do think if you hit gold with a great QB it makes a lot of areas of the team look better, OL included. Rodgers being the prime example. OL is also an area where you can pick up more than serviceable players later in the draft that can be improved with good coaching. They have some decent players, Garrett looks to be special & makes a good pairing with Ogbah, Shelton very good, the TE looks decent

A good QB can only hide a bad line for so long. As soon as a good defense comes along, that can cover or play a disguised zone, he's in big trouble. But a solid o-line is worth it's large weight in gold. I think the mistake too many teams make is not being ready for a good QB, especially a young one. An auld lad that has learned a few tricks to keep himself alive behind a bad Line is more use to a team  like the Browns rather than throwing in the next great hope and watching him panic himself out of the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 12, 2018, 11:33:36 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 12, 2018, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: stew on January 12, 2018, 02:29:11 AM
Quote from: Clov on January 11, 2018, 10:34:25 PM
On the Browns, as bad as their record has been the last 2 years I still don't think they were any worse than the Niners pre the Garropolo trade or the Rams prior to hiring McVay. A decent QB and good coaching can go a long way in the NFL.

Not when you are 0-16, trade the first pick, trade the second pick and get as many 3-5th round picks as you can, when you are this bad you need to take chances, a blue chip QB is not going to be ready to get pounded for 2-3 years and coaches no longer have that time, get a servicable QB and draft the future QB next year and go from there.

Alex Smith, Tyrod Taylor, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater all out of contract as well as Cousins. You're not winning a Superbowl with any of them (bar possibly Cousins) but they need stability at that position first. Honestly the Browns are not as bad as 0-16......they threw away a few games they should have won. Yes, they need to shore up the o-line and bolster the defence but they have huge cap space available and a lot of draft capital. They could rebound very quickly.

They had the packers dead to rights and blew it, that said they were playing hard, Bradford would be the man for me with the Browns over a three year period, he will win you games as would Cousins but I am fascinated by the 18/19 Browns, they were wise in keeping their coach, that provides stability and he is a good coach, the NFL numbers with the Browns does anything but reflect that but I am sure he will turn this thing around given time, this season I expect the Browns to win at least five games and build from there, they are in a very strong draft position and just added excellence in the front office, Wolf will ensure they draft well and has a ton of money to throw at key free agents, the Browns will be division winners three years from now, mark my words.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2018, 09:33:44 PM
Falcons, Pats, Steelers, Vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2018, 09:50:26 PM
Falcons, Pats, Steelers & Saints
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2018, 09:52:23 PM
Don't see any way Eagles can win here with Foles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2018, 09:55:39 PM
Yeah, not an encouraging start at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 13, 2018, 10:07:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2018, 09:55:39 PM
Yeah, not an encouraging start at all.

And a speed bump at left tackle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2018, 10:29:21 PM
He's settled a bit and did well to grab that fumble.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 13, 2018, 10:55:53 PM
Falcons, Titans, Jaguars, Saints
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 13, 2018, 11:52:43 PM
Foles looked very solid on that drive. Matt Ryan is the most generic looking human being I've ever seen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:22:43 AM
Jesus that was some terrible call from Philly wasting a timeout there. No sense at all in it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:29:55 AM
Now the eagles are the ones who need the timeouts to have time on the clock if Atlanta get a td
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 12:36:37 AM
Quote from: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:29:55 AM
Now the eagles are the ones who need the timeouts to have time on the clock if Atlanta get a td

If.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:38:11 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 12:36:37 AM
Quote from: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:29:55 AM
Now the eagles are the ones who need the timeouts to have time on the clock if Atlanta get a td

If.

Here we go.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:41:03 AM
Got away with it. Happy eagles held on......mon the pats now 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
Horrible play calling from the Falcons inside the red zone there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 14, 2018, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
Horrible play calling from the Falcons inside the red zone there

Yep, Atlanta outcoached in this game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2018, 12:47:53 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
Horrible play calling from the Falcons inside the red zone there

Jones is absolutely exceptional. But Ryan needs a good shoeing for never looking at other options in the red zone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 12:51:36 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2018, 12:47:53 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2018, 12:44:02 AM
Horrible play calling from the Falcons inside the red zone there

Jones is absolutely exceptional. But Ryan needs a good shoeing for never looking at other options in the red zone.

Said the exact same thing, he fell down and still there was no 2nd read
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2018, 12:57:14 AM
Yup, Ryan tried to force it even after the first option was gone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 12:58:53 AM
Foles v Keenum for the NFC championship game please. At least there will be a team to root for in the Super Bowl then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2018, 01:11:08 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 12:58:53 AM
Foles v Keenum for the NFC championship game please. At least there will be a team to root for in the Super Bowl then.

Yep, ABNE
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 01:42:36 AM
Romo's a pretty great colour commentator. When you see the concussion issues and his own injuries he definitely made a good call retiring early, he can do this stuff for as long as he wants.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 01:48:43 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 01:42:36 AM
Romo's a pretty great colour commentator. When you see the concussion issues and his own injuries he definitely made a good call retiring early, he can do this stuff for as long as he wants.

He's very good, like games he's doing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 01:49:41 AM
Some catch....right time to get the finger out and attack this secondary
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 01:49:51 AM
That was sweet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 01:51:45 AM
Love this time of year, nfl season at business end, gaa season just getting started
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 01:57:13 AM
Some play.....get 7 out of it now....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 02:00:43 AM
Yaaaas.....3 brilliant plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 02:15:06 AM
Motoring now. Some running backs, like Atlanta last year, and as soon as you concentrate on them you've gronk and cooks on down field shots
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 02:34:08 AM
No idea if that penalty on 4th down was right, no doubt we'll be called cheaters for it but looks massive call now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 02:41:26 AM
Think everyone's gone to bed but if not you can now, surely that's game, titans can't live with this
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 02:55:11 AM
No way that time was right....justice we missed the kick. Shouldn't matter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 02:56:48 AM
No wonder Mularkey was in danger of being fired. Pathetic play-calling. Mariota's legs kept him in a job this year and nothing else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 03:00:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 02:56:48 AM
No wonder Mularkey was in danger of being fired. Pathetic play-calling. Mariota's legs kept him in a job this year and nothing else.

Harsh.....tbf what was expected of them. Made the playoffs and got a playoff win on the road. One thing I never really got, play calling, how much is the head coach, always hear bout bellichick but how many plays does he actually call or how much is purely down to patricia and mcdaniels
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 03:47:33 AM
Quote from: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 03:00:55 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 02:56:48 AM
No wonder Mularkey was in danger of being fired. Pathetic play-calling. Mariota's legs kept him in a job this year and nothing else.

Harsh.....tbf what was expected of them. Made the playoffs and got a playoff win on the road. One thing I never really got, play calling, how much is the head coach, always hear bout bellichick but how many plays does he actually call or how much is purely down to patricia and mcdaniels

You can assume whatever the play-calling hierarchy the HC has a veto when it comes to a critical 4th down play like that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 03:59:41 AM
Brady patriot of the week?!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 04:09:19 AM
And ESPN were falling over themselves to claim this was the beginning of the end from Brady after a few down weeks. The Titans are a total embarrassment at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 14, 2018, 04:15:37 AM
That's the afc though, it's no way near as strong as the nfc but still the best in afc is every bit as good asbest in nfc. Pats are like the dubs which is depressing to say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2018, 06:40:33 PM
Jags are 14-0 up on the Steelers. Upset on the cards?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 14, 2018, 06:44:23 PM
Jags D looks tough, Fournette running well. If Bortles can avoid turnovers, then they're in great shape.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
The lead is out to 21-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 14, 2018, 07:22:20 PM
Roeth stripped, Jags TD, 28-7.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 14, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
It's not over. Steelers score a 4th down TD with 25 secs left in 1st half.  Fournette has been out of the game with an injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 07:46:05 PM
If the Steelers are beaten by the Jags at home and and the NFC ends up Foles-Keenum they may as well give the terrible twins in New England the Super Bowl and save all the hassle. They won't have faced as soft a run in in any of their previous winning seasons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2018, 08:20:23 PM
I've been a jinx, although I still think I'm right about the jags, but I have a feeling the Vikings may win it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2018, 08:35:30 PM
What a throw from Bortles!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
The Jags would be some team if they had a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2018, 08:44:08 PM
Unreal score on 4th & 5 by Brown
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2018, 08:55:56 PM
Super Super Bortles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 08:58:32 PM
Fourentte much more important to this one. Already repaid his high draft pick as a RB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 09:08:33 PM
Don't like the man but Big Ben is seriously fun to watch play.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2018, 09:09:01 PM
Christ almighty, what a play from Big Ben.

Unreal game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 14, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
Why the fck onside kick there ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 14, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
Why the fck onside kick there ?


Because you've two TOs left and they've already hung 42 on you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 14, 2018, 09:26:15 PM
Go Jags
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2018, 09:26:55 PM
Had to go onside given the scores the D was giving up.

Why not kick the FG rather then waste all that time?! You need it anyway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 14, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
Onside kick was a mistake. Playing for a three and out from the Jags offense was the higher percentage play and would have given them the ball back with 2 minutes left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 14, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
Onside kick was a mistake. Playing for a three and out from the Jags offense was the higher percentage play and would have given them the ball back with 2 minutes left.

Again, they'd already conceded 42 points by then. Kind of knocks a coach's confidence in the likelihood of a three and out. It was the right call.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 14, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
This is the Jags offense we're talking about. There are no good options down 7 with 2:20 on the clock but only about 1 in 10 onside kicks are recovered. I'll take my chances with Blake Bortles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 14, 2018, 09:38:08 PM
So, the London Jags have a shot at a Super Bowl appearance before my Browns!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on January 14, 2018, 09:40:35 PM
Bortles vs Foles superbowl is a real possibility. How mad is that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2018, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: Clov on January 14, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
Onside kick was a mistake. Playing for a three and out from the Jags offense was the higher percentage play and would have given them the ball back with 2 minutes left.

Again, they'd already conceded 42 points by then. Kind of knocks a coach's confidence in the likelihood of a three and out. It was the right call.

It was never the right call. The odds of an onside kick are far less than a 3and out against a team who would have ran the ball. Defense was terrible but you can't tell me they had a better chance recovering an onside. Also flip side is a failed onside kick is almost a guaranteed 3 points. As it transpired.

Mike Tomlin is a horrible game manager, a bit like Andy Reid.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 10:20:55 PM
Saints look like they're in the process of imploding.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2018, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 10:20:55 PM
Saints look like they're in the process of imploding.

Keenums a great story. Vikings are a good solid team. If they win out stew will have a stroke.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 10:47:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2018, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 10:20:55 PM
Saints look like they're in the process of imploding.

Keenums a great story. Vikings are a good solid team. If they win out stew will have a stroke.

This is just embarrassing now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 11:57:24 PM
That interception might make this interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 12:05:27 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 14, 2018, 11:57:24 PM
That interception might make this interesting.

Sandejo and Rhodes out makes it more interesting.

Sky didn't show what happened to Sandejo did Thomas sink the head into him? Can't find a video of it on Twitter but many calling it like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 15, 2018, 12:14:29 AM
Those lads with the Microsoft Surfaces strapped to their chests so the refs can see replays of challenges look incredibly stupid. Why not not have a table on either sideline with a screen?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 15, 2018, 12:36:32 AM
If this game is decided on a punt..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 15, 2018, 12:47:45 AM
That was as big time a catch as I've ever seen. Undrafted free agent from Minnesota State who has near 1200 yards on the season. More than just Keenum on that offends playing with a chip on their shoulders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 15, 2018, 12:56:04 AM
This could be another tragedy for the Vikes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 15, 2018, 01:07:37 AM
DID YOU SEE THAT?!???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2018, 01:09:15 AM
Wooooooooooow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 15, 2018, 01:09:47 AM
UNBELIEVABLE.....WOW
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on January 15, 2018, 01:10:14 AM
Delighted, jesus i cant stand sean payton
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2018, 01:12:19 AM
It is such a brilliant sport. An extraordinary combination of twists in that final quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 01:12:56 AM
That was class!!

Seriously though what was the defender at? Let him catch it then tackle and it's game over. Crazy stuff!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2018, 01:14:27 AM
And apart from the Pats being the Pats, this has been a wonderful post season, every game has been so entertaining
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2018, 01:14:57 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 01:12:56 AM
That was class!!

It was class right up until the rookie shit himself and decided to curl up into a ball and let the queens score an uncontested TD with ten seconds left.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2018, 01:15:12 AM
The replays do Marcus Williams absolutely no favours. Unbelievably shit attempted tackle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2018, 01:18:16 AM
Possibly worse than the Rahim Moore play against the Ravens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2018, 01:19:22 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2018, 01:15:12 AM
The replays do Marcus Williams absolutely no favours. Unbelievably shit attempted tackle.

I think he must have guessed he had launched in too early and was going to be called a penalty if he connected.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2018, 01:23:14 AM
I think that's exactly what he was trying to do, but why?! Just tackle him inbounds and the game was over!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gold on January 15, 2018, 01:34:16 AM
The missed tackle was so bizarre it looked like match fixing

What a game and sport though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 15, 2018, 01:55:29 AM
What a finish. I thought all was lost. Following the game on yahoo sports box score on my i phone. I couldn't beleive it when they put up the score.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 15, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
WTF was that attempt at a tackle!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 15, 2018, 10:00:46 AM
The 4 remaining QB's - Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Tom Brady

In recent seasons it seems the teams with the top defenses are winning over the top offences despite it becoming a 'passing league'.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
I couldn't stay up for it, but I was listening on the radio. It was mental. The Westwood one commentators were incredulous. I'll watch back on gamepass today at some stage.

So now we've seen everyone, what's the take for next week.

In the AFC, I still don't trust the Jaguars, but I do like their aggressive defense. The way to beat the Pats is to get Brady off his spot I think, and the Jags are set up to do that. However I don't think you'll find Brady doing too many 5 and 7 step drops. White and Lewis out of the backfield, and Gronk, will be heavily used I think for quick 3 step releases.  Fair play to Bortles, he was above average at the weekend, and Fournette was excellent. The Patriots defense has stiffened though. I think nobody has conceded less over the last 7 weeks of the season or something, after a fairly ropey defensive start, I'm not sure the Jags have enough offense to beat them. One thing to watch though, the Patriots got 8 sacks on Saturday, but that was with a big injury on the Titans O-Line, and to Marriotta himself.  They've had no pass rush all year really, so that was an unexpected bonus. If they don't get pressure on Bortles, and he has a good day, and Fournette can rush for 100 yards, the Jags have a chance.

I think the jaguars format for victory is O Line and D Line Domination. Allowing for time for Bortles and lanes for Fournette on Offense. D line disrupting the PAtriots passing game, and their aggressive D getting a few turnovers.

Patriots format will be to protect Brady, get the ball out quick and relatively short to open the Jags up. That might slow them down a bit and then you can go looking for Hogan and Cooks. On D they need to make Bortles beat them, not Fournette.

The Jags match up well up front, I think this might be close, but I can't see a team led by Bortles beating Brady and the Hoodie. Pats by 10 for me.

The NFC is intriguing as well. Case Keenum is the ultimate journeyman but what a journey this season. And then an undrafted lad from a few miles down the road becomes their big time receiver (Thielen). Diggs as well, and a serviceable running game and a great O Line, plus Kyle Rudolph, added to a normally very good defense, means I think the Vikings may be the most balanced team left. The Eagles had excellent O Line play as well versus the Falcons, but I just don't know if they will hold up against the Vikings, and unless Foles can pull a Keenum, I can't see them getting enough out of Blount and Ajayi to beat this team. If the Vikings play their game, solid, dirty stuff up front, stuffing the run I can't see the Eagles winning it. The Eagles have a great run defense themselves, in fact in the regular season the Eagles had the best Run Defense, and the Vikings were #2, but a lot of that can be attributed to the form of Carson Wentz's Eagles because teams don't tend to run when they are 21 points down! Still they are solid against the run, and on average attempt they are 7th in the league at 3.8 yards per rush, while the Vikings are 5th with 3.7 yards. To me, that seems to suggest that this game will come down to who can win with the ball in the air. The Vikings are giving up 192 yards per game (2nd in the NFL), and 6 yards per passing attempt (joint best in the league). The Eagles are giving up 6.5 yards per attempt (4th in the league) and are 127th best in total yards at 227 ypg. Again that is skewed by the fact teams had to throw against them.

This week, the Best pass defence in the league will be going up against Nick Foles, and assuming the run defense holds up, that's not a good matchup for the Eagles. the leveller may be the conditions in Philly. The crowd is fanatical, and if the weather is rough, then it becomes a lot harder for a Dome team. But if the weather is relatively benign, I think the Vikings set up the first ever (I think) home advantage superbowl. 28-21.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 15, 2018, 10:00:46 AM
The 4 remaining QB's - Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, Case Keenum and Tom Brady

In recent seasons it seems the teams with the top defenses are winning over the top offences despite it becoming a 'passing league'.

I think it's always been that way. If you have a defense that can hang, and a brilliant offense, that's a potent mix. If you have an average offense, and a brilliant defense, you'll always have a chance. If you have a brilliant offense and a shite defense, you'll struggle normally (there's the odd exception) because the better defenses in the playoffs will slow you down, and if your defense is cat, even an average team will put up numbers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 15, 2018, 12:45:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 10:15:47 AM
I couldn't stay up for it, but I was listening on the radio. It was mental. The Westwood one commentators were incredulous. I'll watch back on gamepass today at some stage.

So now we've seen everyone, what's the take for next week.

In the AFC, I still don't trust the Jaguars, but I do like their aggressive defense. The way to beat the Pats is to get Brady off his spot I think, and the Jags are set up to do that. However I don't think you'll find Brady doing too many 5 and 7 step drops. White and Lewis out of the backfield, and Gronk, will be heavily used I think for quick 3 step releases.  Fair play to Bortles, he was above average at the weekend, and Fournette was excellent. The Patriots defense has stiffened though. I think nobody has conceded less over the last 7 weeks of the season or something, after a fairly ropey defensive start, I'm not sure the Jags have enough offense to beat them. One thing to watch though, the Patriots got 8 sacks on Saturday, but that was with a big injury on the Titans O-Line, and to Marriotta himself.  They've had no pass rush all year really, so that was an unexpected bonus. If they don't get pressure on Bortles, and he has a good day, and Fournette can rush for 100 yards, the Jags have a chance.

I think the jaguars format for victory is O Line and D Line Domination. Allowing for time for Bortles and lanes for Fournette on Offense. D line disrupting the PAtriots passing game, and their aggressive D getting a few turnovers.

Patriots format will be to protect Brady, get the ball out quick and relatively short to open the Jags up. That might slow them down a bit and then you can go looking for Hogan and Cooks. On D they need to make Bortles beat them, not Fournette.

The Jags match up well up front, I think this might be close, but I can't see a team led by Bortles beating Brady and the Hoodie. Pats by 10 for me.

The NFC is intriguing as well. Case Keenum is the ultimate journeyman but what a journey this season. And then an undrafted lad from a few miles down the road becomes their big time receiver (Thielen). Diggs as well, and a serviceable running game and a great O Line, plus Kyle Rudolph, added to a normally very good defense, means I think the Vikings may be the most balanced team left. The Eagles had excellent O Line play as well versus the Falcons, but I just don't know if they will hold up against the Vikings, and unless Foles can pull a Keenum, I can't see them getting enough out of Blount and Ajayi to beat this team. If the Vikings play their game, solid, dirty stuff up front, stuffing the run I can't see the Eagles winning it. The Eagles have a great run defense themselves, in fact in the regular season the Eagles had the best Run Defense, and the Vikings were #2, but a lot of that can be attributed to the form of Carson Wentz's Eagles because teams don't tend to run when they are 21 points down! Still they are solid against the run, and on average attempt they are 7th in the league at 3.8 yards per rush, while the Vikings are 5th with 3.7 yards. To me, that seems to suggest that this game will come down to who can win with the ball in the air. The Vikings are giving up 192 yards per game (2nd in the NFL), and 6 yards per passing attempt (joint best in the league). The Eagles are giving up 6.5 yards per attempt (4th in the league) and are 127th best in total yards at 227 ypg. Again that is skewed by the fact teams had to throw against them.

This week, the Best pass defence in the league will be going up against Nick Foles, and assuming the run defense holds up, that's not a good matchup for the Eagles. the leveller may be the conditions in Philly. The crowd is fanatical, and if the weather is rough, then it becomes a lot harder for a Dome team. But if the weather is relatively benign, I think the Vikings set up the first ever (I think) home advantage superbowl. 28-21.

The Pats got their dream opponent in the Jags, they have the best QB of all time at the peak of his powers and they have Gronk, another all time great as well as a D line that as usual is overperforming, I expect the Pats to throw everything at the Jags, they will move the chains with screen passes and slant passes and then they will go for the jugular here and there just to keep them honest, I cannot see the Jags being within two scores of the Pats!  ;D

The other game is fascinating, that said I fully expect the vikings to implode somehow, its what they do, they even did it yesterday only to be bailed out by a glory hunting knucklehead who incredibly went for the sportscentre highlight reel play instead of wrapping his man up and downing him inbounds.

Pats Eagles for me with the usual suspects coming out on top, anybody but the Vikings will do me, they ahve always been classless and useless and I fully expect this to continue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
Jesus not only did Williams make a balls of the tackle he also took out his own player, who may have had a chance at catching Diggs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2018, 01:40:11 PM
Jesus not only did Williams make a balls of the tackle he also took out his own player, who may have had a chance at catching Diggs

One of my pet peeves in the NFL is the coaching of the tackle. He took a bad line there, which was his first problem. That was compounded by his need to transform into a human torpedo, and wanting to lay the big hit, instead of tackling. Even with the bad line, if his arms were out to make a wrap up tackle, he'd have probably ended up bringing him down. Instead he wanted the big hit, to dislodge the ball. Crazy ill-disciplined stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 15, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
I still think the Patriots defence is poor. The Jags must stick to the run game and short passes. That's the error everyone makes against the Pats and mostly it's to do with gameflow. I'm hoping the Jags defence can stop the Patriots from building a big lead. Gronk is the one major problem for everyone the Patriots face. It's impossible to contain him I think. They'll have to get to Brady early and often and it's possible they might.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 15, 2018, 01:50:47 PM
I still think the Patriots defence is poor. The Jags must stick to the run game and short passes. That's the error everyone makes against the Pats and mostly it's to do with gameflow. I'm hoping the Jags defence can stop the Patriots from building a big lead. Gronk is the one major problem for everyone the Patriots face. It's impossible to contain him I think. They'll have to get to Brady early and often and it's possible they might.

I think that's the key.

Just on the Patriots' D, I just think people are coloured by their early season issues. In the last several weeks, they've been a lot better, while the offense has been sluggish.

Overall, they're conceding 18.5 points per game, which is 5th best in the league, but their first 8 weeks they conceded 22.5 per game, and the last 8 it was 14.625. I think they're getting better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 15, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Hopefully the same result
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Hopefully the same result

I really hope the Vikings win the Superbowl. I'd love to see Jacksonville do it if they don't. Calais Campbell is a great lad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2018, 03:04:40 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 15, 2018, 02:57:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2018, 02:55:02 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Hopefully the same result

I really hope the Vikings win the Superbowl. I'd love to see Jacksonville do it if they don't. Calais Campbell is a great lad.

I really enjoyed that Vikings performance last night and I hope they can go on and do it after the heartbreak they've suffered over the years with field goals etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 19, 2018, 02:47:23 PM
Mindgames from the patriots or potentially a gamchanger for Sunday? Starting to think the Jags at +7.5 points could be worth a few quid.

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/22146062/brian-hoyer-preparing-ready-tom-brady-not-ready-sunday-afc-championship-game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 20, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
Brady would still be miles better than Bortles with a hook for a hand. It'd probably save time on deflating footballs too.

Don't expect any surprises in that one, at worst he's going to be filled up on painkilling injections and high as a kite for the game. No way he misses it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 21, 2018, 01:35:22 AM
Brady had to get 4 stitches in a cut between his thumb and index finger. He will be fine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 21, 2018, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Brady will destroy this crowd tonight, I expect a three touchdown win for the Pats and although both teams are chokers in the losers bracket of the draw, I expect the queens to choke more and lose and go back to dinkytown with their tails between their legs!


Pats to win it all again, happy days, Brady is the best ever no matter what happens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: stew on January 21, 2018, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Brady will destroy this crowd tonight, I expect a three touchdown win for the Pats and although both teams are chokers in the losers bracket of the draw, I expect the queens to choke more and lose and go back to dinkytown with their tails between their legs!


Pats to win it all again, happy days, Brady is the best ever no matter what happens.

I thought the Patriots would win tonight but after this post I'm not too sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Super drive there from the Jags
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 21, 2018, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: stew on January 21, 2018, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Brady will destroy this crowd tonight, I expect a three touchdown win for the Pats and although both teams are chokers in the losers bracket of the draw, I expect the queens to choke more and lose and go back to dinkytown with their tails between their legs!


Pats to win it all again, happy days, Brady is the best ever no matter what happens.

I thought the Patriots would win tonight but after this post I'm not too sure.

Why?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2018, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 21, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Super drive there from the Jags

And again
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 21, 2018, 08:56:21 PM
London Jags firing on all cylinders. Hope they can pull it off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 08:57:01 PM
This is getting very interesting. Fournette is a beast.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2018, 09:16:12 PM
Going according to script for Jags. Bortles looking sound behind solid o line play and a good run game allowing for play action. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 21, 2018, 09:22:49 PM
And, of course, Pats score when up against it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2018, 09:28:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 21, 2018, 09:22:49 PM
And, of course, Pats score when up against it

Terrible DPI call
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 21, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
So unusual for all those completely dodgy calls to go the way of new England in Foxboro...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2018, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: heganboy on January 21, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
So unusual for all those completely dodgy calls to go the way of new England in Foxboro...

;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on January 21, 2018, 09:45:48 PM
Big drive at start of half - if jags can get something on the board, even a fg, would keep the momentum goingc
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
Fournette is the real key of this Jags offense, probably their MVP given the balance he creates and rest he allows their defence to have. Bortles is getting the attention but it's 27 that's came up big time after time. And he's a fecking rookie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 21, 2018, 10:30:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
Fournette is the real key of this Jags offense, probably their MVP given the balance he creates and rest he allows their defence to have. Bortles is getting the attention but it's 27 that's came up big time after time. And he's a fecking rookie.

Gronk out with a concussion so back to man to man go the Jags, they are really impressive, the Pats get screwed on that big call that cost them points but force them to three and out and are marching, C'mon the Pats!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 21, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
DOes this rule Gronk out if they go to the Super Bowl??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2018, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 21, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
DOes this rule Gronk out if they go to the Super Bowl??

Would depend on the severity of the concussion you would think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2018, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2018, 10:41:20 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 21, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
DOes this rule Gronk out if they go to the Super Bowl??

Would depend on the severity of the concussion you would think

2 weeks to recover as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 11:11:20 PM
Fück these lads.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2018, 11:17:04 PM
Would make you sick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on January 21, 2018, 11:22:57 PM
Make you sick - certain inevitably when they made that 3rd and 18

Got to give them credit - never beat!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2018, 12:20:37 AM
Quote from: stringbean on January 21, 2018, 11:22:57 PM
Make you sick - certain inevitably when they made that 3rd and 18

Got to give them credit - never beat!!

This win feels like a certain election just over a year ago, hell slap it up all ye haters! the Pats are going to I think their tenth superbowl, thats amazing.

Hopefully Tommy can get a hoult of the gameballs a couple of hours before kickoff just to take all the air out of Philly before the game even begins. :)

The Patriot act is coming to Minneapolis, happy days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2018, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 21, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
So unusual for all those completely dodgy calls to go the way of new England in Foxboro...

Worst call of the day went to the Jags, Noo York teams are shite, get over it kid. )
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 22, 2018, 03:40:35 AM
eagles? what did i just watch?

Patriots win with 18 men on the field at all times, tough to beat, even when completely outplayed...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2018, 03:41:19 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 22, 2018, 03:40:35 AM
eagles? what did i just watch?

Patriots win with 18 men on the field at all times, tough to beat, even when completely outplayed...

Say what????
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2018, 03:45:38 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 21, 2018, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: stew on January 21, 2018, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 15, 2018, 02:39:21 PM
The Patriots going up against a Tom Coughlin team in the playoffs? We've seen this story before  ;)

Brady will destroy this crowd tonight, I expect a three touchdown win for the Pats and although both teams are chokers in the losers bracket of the draw, I expect the queens to choke more and lose and go back to dinkytown with their tails between their legs!


Pats to win it all again, happy days, Brady is the best ever no matter what happens.

I thought the Patriots would win tonight but after this post I'm not too sure.

Do you like apples????

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 22, 2018, 08:01:13 AM
Delighted the Eagles made it to the Superbowl. Hopefully they can take the evil trio down ;)

QuotePatriots win with 18 men on the field at all times, tough to beat, even when completely outplayed...

https://twitter.com/artfoley56/status/955221805383503873 (https://twitter.com/artfoley56/status/955221805383503873)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 22, 2018, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: stew on January 22, 2018, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 21, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
So unusual for all those completely dodgy calls to go the way of new England in Foxboro...

Worst call of the day went to the Jags, Noo York teams are shite, get over it kid. )

You're away with the fairies. That was a touchdown if the officials didn't f**k it up. The DPI that lead to the first score was a joke. It was OPI if anything, Bouye had a perfect position. Gilmore clearly pulled the Jags receiver back on the last Jags offensive play. lso, if you watch the stills Church lead and hit with his shoulder - it was momentum that caused the clash of heads so that mightn't even have been a penalty either. Patriots - one penalty for 10 yards all game. That's just a joke. We shouldn't be surprised at this stage because it happens all the time.

Jags were tremendously unlucky though they just veered a little too predictable/conservative in the 4th quarter. They stopped doing the short passes that were killing the Patriots. The loss of their left tackle seemed to end their o-line dominance and losing 3 starting defenders killed their 4th quarter pass rush. Brady just had too much time in the 4th quarter.

Eagles have a chance. Super defence and I'd rate Foles as better than Bortles with better weapons.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 22, 2018, 10:10:03 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUGhKMTXcAEtDD_.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 22, 2018, 10:59:33 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2018, 08:36:17 AM
Quote from: stew on January 22, 2018, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 21, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
So unusual for all those completely dodgy calls to go the way of new England in Foxboro...

Worst call of the day went to the Jags, Noo York teams are shite, get over it kid. )

You're away with the fairies. That was a touchdown if the officials didn't f**k it up. The DPI that lead to the first score was a joke. It was OPI if anything, Bouye had a perfect position. Gilmore clearly pulled the Jags receiver back on the last Jags offensive play. lso, if you watch the stills Church lead and hit with his shoulder - it was momentum that caused the clash of heads so that mightn't even have been a penalty either. Patriots - one penalty for 10 yards all game. That's just a joke. We shouldn't be surprised at this stage because it happens all the time.


The Pats played a clean game, what can I say??? If you think the officials are bent you are away with the fairies, the only call they got wrong was against the Pats!

Jags were tremendously unlucky though they just veered a little too predictable/conservative in the 4th quarter. They stopped doing the short passes that were killing the Patriots. The loss of their left tackle seemed to end their o-line dominance and losing 3 starting defenders killed their 4th quarter pass rush. Brady just had too much time in the 4th quarter.

They werent unlucky, they shit themselves and paid the price, you whinge about them losing players to injuries yet forget the one to Gronk that allowed the Jags to go from  double coverage to man to man, that is one hell of an advantage yet Brady still reined them in, he is the best ever and won the game despite losing his main weapon!

Eagles have a chance. Super defence and I'd rate Foles as better than Bortles with better weapons.

If the Eagles stay aggressive I think they win this game, they need to learn from the mistakes of others and harass Brady in the fourth quarter, not take their foot off the gas and try prevent defence, it does not work, they are younger, faster and flat out better in two of the three phases in football, their defence is as good as there is in the league and their offence just dismantled a choking Vikings D that was lauded for its excellence all year, all that said, the Pats are still standing, this is their time of year and they have been there done that, no one does it better, it will be fascinating to see.

Eagles 34 Pats 27.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 22, 2018, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: Declan on January 22, 2018, 08:01:13 AM
Delighted the Eagles made it to the Superbowl. Hopefully they can take the evil trio down ;)

QuotePatriots win with 18 men on the field at all times, tough to beat, even when completely outplayed...

https://twitter.com/artfoley56/status/955221805383503873 (https://twitter.com/artfoley56/status/955221805383503873)

Ah Declan, Ewan MacKenna!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 22, 2018, 02:14:54 PM
Stew - you hardly need me to mention Gronk got injured.....that's the one injury that was mentioned by everyone. By mentioning the Jags injuries I was highlighting they were pretty unlucky while at the same time these losses explained their lack of push both sides of the ball in the 4th quarter. Possibly along with some slightly conservative play calling on offence. I reject completely the notion they shit themselves but that paint by numbers approach seems to be what serves as analysis for sports over in the US and you definitely buy into that.

On Gronk's injury - Brady put him in an awful position with the throw so he must get some blame for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Declan on January 22, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
QuoteAh Declan, Ewan MacKenna!!


I know Dinny but it was only a retweet ;) ;)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2018, 06:18:03 PM
Would give the Eagles a very good chance in the SB

God willing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 22, 2018, 06:29:22 PM
FAO AZ

QuoteThe Cardinals will make Carolina Panthers defensive coordinator Steve Wilks their next head coach, a league source confirmed to ESPN on Monday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 22, 2018, 06:42:33 PM
What day of the week is it? Monday. No, it's Stewsday--Pats win, Vikings lose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 22, 2018, 07:41:20 PM
Alas it wasn't to be. But it asn't Bortles that lost us the game. It was the 4th quarter injuries and Brady's ice-cool veins. I can see Coughlin making a play for Cousins in the off-season. At least the Jags have shown they're legit.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 22, 2018, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 22, 2018, 06:18:03 PM
Would give the Eagles a very good chance in the SB

God willing

I can't see anything other than a Brady win to be honest. It was a real bad performance from the vikings against the Eagles last night. In relation to Foles and the Eagles one swallow doesn't make a summer. Foles still has a lot to prove imho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2018, 08:31:11 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 22, 2018, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 22, 2018, 06:18:03 PM
Would give the Eagles a very good chance in the SB

God willing

I can't see anything other than a Brady win to be honest. It was a real bad performance from the vikings against the Eagles last night. In relation to Foles and the Eagles one swallow doesn't make a summer. Foles still has a lot to prove imho.

He does but I'm not sure he needs to shoot the lights out either, its one game. People forget Brady's fist SB win v Rams. He was a game manager then and threw for about 150 yds. Eagles have a decent array of weapons and can run the ball. We will see but it wouldn't be a shock to see Eagles win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 22, 2018, 10:06:24 PM
Foles at his best is way better than a game manager, though. And he has loads of experience. Consistency between seasons was his problem and even games this year.

If Foles can put it together again they have a chance but a Super Bowl is like a regular season game in October for the hoors in NE at this stage so anything less than a great team performance and the Pats will walk out with their third title in four years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 22, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
Is it correct that if the Pats win the Superbowl they will equal the record set by the Steelers? Or has another won it more?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 22, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 22, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
Is it correct that if the Pats win the Superbowl they will equal the record set by the Steelers? Or has another won it more?

They'd equal the Steelers' Super Bowl record but the Packers have 13 NFL championships, the league itself predates the Super Bowl which originally came into exsistence as an intra-league bowl game between the NFL and AFL champions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 22, 2018, 11:46:39 PM
Pats 2/5
Or
Eagles +6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 23, 2018, 01:17:00 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 22, 2018, 06:42:33 PM
What day of the week is it? Monday. No, it's Stewsday--Pats win, Vikings lose

You bet your sweet ass its stewsday orais, watched every minute of both games, made a few quid again and am happy enough, Brady is going to his eighth superbowl! Incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 23, 2018, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 22, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on January 22, 2018, 10:23:55 PM
Is it correct that if the Pats win the Superbowl they will equal the record set by the Steelers? Or has another won it more?

They'd equal the Steelers' Super Bowl record but the Packers have 13 NFL championships, the league itself predates the Super Bowl which originally came into exsistence as an intra-league bowl game between the NFL and AFL champions.

Cheers Syf.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Brady is a machine. To be playing at that level when you are over 40 is incredible. Amendola was an absolute star on Sunday, the TD catch at the end and the ability to get his feet down was fantastic.  Feel sorry for the jags, Bortles had a couple of throws down the sideline in the last couple of drives that were inches off and could have been the difference. Great defensive play by Gilmour at the end though.

Its hard to see Philly matching the Patriots. Foles is an underrated Quarterback in my opinion and he has the weapons to hurt the Pats but i just think the big game experience of New England will be too much especially if Gronk is back. Pats by 8.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Brady is a machine. To be playing at that level when you are over 40 is incredible. Amendola was an absolute star on Sunday, the TD catch at the end and the ability to get his feet down was fantastic.  Feel sorry for the jags, Bortles had a couple of throws down the sideline in the last couple of drives that were inches off and could have been the difference. Great defensive play by Gilmour at the end though.

Its hard to see Philly matching the Patriots. Foles is an underrated Quarterback in my opinion and he has the weapons to hurt the Pats but i just think the big game experience of New England will be too much especially if Gronk is back. Pats by 8.

People forget how good Cooks and Amendola are. They're top class NFL receivers and have excelled elsewhere. This isn't a knock on Brady in any way, he's amazing, but the way some folk go on you'd think he only had wheelie bins to throw to when Gronk got injured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 23, 2018, 10:54:19 AM
I was listening to a podcast on the way up to Dublin last night, and one of the presenters just casually threw out a stat, which when you think about it is incredible: Tom Brady has started for the New England Patriots for 16 years. He has made the SUPERBOWL, not the playoffs, in 50% of those years.

That's simply incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 23, 2018, 11:16:42 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 23, 2018, 10:54:19 AM
I was listening to a podcast on the way up to Dublin last night, and one of the presenters just casually threw out a stat, which when you think about it is incredible: Tom Brady has started for the New England Patriots for 16 years. He has made the SUPERBOWL, not the playoffs, in 50% of those years.

That's simply incredible.

Saw something similar that he has appeared in 15% of all Superbowls
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 23, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Brady is a machine. To be playing at that level when you are over 40 is incredible. Amendola was an absolute star on Sunday, the TD catch at the end and the ability to get his feet down was fantastic.  Feel sorry for the jags, Bortles had a couple of throws down the sideline in the last couple of drives that were inches off and could have been the difference. Great defensive play by Gilmour at the end though.

Its hard to see Philly matching the Patriots. Foles is an underrated Quarterback in my opinion and he has the weapons to hurt the Pats but i just think the big game experience of New England will be too much especially if Gronk is back. Pats by 8.

People forget how good Cooks and Amendola are. They're top class NFL receivers and have excelled elsewhere. This isn't a knock on Brady in any way, he's amazing, but the way some folk go on you'd think he only had wheelie bins to throw to when Gronk got injured.

Thats bollocks Seanie, no one I know of thinks that!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: stew on January 23, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Brady is a machine. To be playing at that level when you are over 40 is incredible. Amendola was an absolute star on Sunday, the TD catch at the end and the ability to get his feet down was fantastic.  Feel sorry for the jags, Bortles had a couple of throws down the sideline in the last couple of drives that were inches off and could have been the difference. Great defensive play by Gilmour at the end though.

Its hard to see Philly matching the Patriots. Foles is an underrated Quarterback in my opinion and he has the weapons to hurt the Pats but i just think the big game experience of New England will be too much especially if Gronk is back. Pats by 8.

People forget how good Cooks and Amendola are. They're top class NFL receivers and have excelled elsewhere. This isn't a knock on Brady in any way, he's amazing, but the way some folk go on you'd think he only had wheelie bins to throw to when Gronk got injured.

Thats bollocks Seanie, no one I know of thinks that!

Maybe not but I get where Seanie is coming from, the SkySports pundits were ready to hand the title to the Jags at halftime if Gronk didnt return.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: redhandofgod on January 23, 2018, 12:37:13 PM
Awww boys, Brady is special!!!! He hasn't had Edelman all season either!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 12:38:22 PM
Can you read?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 23, 2018, 05:51:06 PM
In fairness Amendola has never even had a 700 yard season. He's just ably filling in the slot role Welker had back in the day, and the one he was ear-marked for before Edelman stole it from him.

I did love Gronk's hilariously bad nickname, Danny 'Playoff' Amendola, he's every inch a meathead jock from an 80s teen comedy. The only Patriot even remotely likeable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 24, 2018, 12:15:13 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 23, 2018, 05:51:06 PM
In fairness Amendola has never even had a 700 yard season. He's just ably filling in the slot role Welker had back in the day, and the one he was ear-marked for before Edelman stole it from him.

I did love Gronk's hilariously bad nickname, Danny 'Playoff' Amendola, he's every inch a meathead jock from an 80s teen comedy. The only Patriot even remotely likeable.

Thats because he is the only democrat in the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 24, 2018, 06:51:18 AM
Quote from: stew on January 23, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Brady is a machine. To be playing at that level when you are over 40 is incredible. Amendola was an absolute star on Sunday, the TD catch at the end and the ability to get his feet down was fantastic.  Feel sorry for the jags, Bortles had a couple of throws down the sideline in the last couple of drives that were inches off and could have been the difference. Great defensive play by Gilmour at the end though.

Its hard to see Philly matching the Patriots. Foles is an underrated Quarterback in my opinion and he has the weapons to hurt the Pats but i just think the big game experience of New England will be too much especially if Gronk is back. Pats by 8.

People forget how good Cooks and Amendola are. They're top class NFL receivers and have excelled elsewhere. This isn't a knock on Brady in any way, he's amazing, but the way some folk go on you'd think he only had wheelie bins to throw to when Gronk got injured.

Thats bollocks Seanie, no one I know of thinks that!

To be fair it's all I hear
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 24, 2018, 10:28:33 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 24, 2018, 06:51:18 AM
Quote from: stew on January 23, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 23, 2018, 10:47:21 AM
Quote from: TabClear on January 23, 2018, 10:43:05 AM
Brady is a machine. To be playing at that level when you are over 40 is incredible. Amendola was an absolute star on Sunday, the TD catch at the end and the ability to get his feet down was fantastic.  Feel sorry for the jags, Bortles had a couple of throws down the sideline in the last couple of drives that were inches off and could have been the difference. Great defensive play by Gilmour at the end though.

Its hard to see Philly matching the Patriots. Foles is an underrated Quarterback in my opinion and he has the weapons to hurt the Pats but i just think the big game experience of New England will be too much especially if Gronk is back. Pats by 8.

People forget how good Cooks and Amendola are. They're top class NFL receivers and have excelled elsewhere. This isn't a knock on Brady in any way, he's amazing, but the way some folk go on you'd think he only had wheelie bins to throw to when Gronk got injured.

Thats bollocks Seanie, no one I know of thinks that!

To be fair it's all I hear

Philly fans are animals and will let themselves down a ton in Minneapolis, maybe its me watching Packer fans welcoming fans from all over the country but Philly fans were an absolute disgrace yet again in the NFC Title game, Viking fans were imtimidted, spat on, pushed, hit and effed up and down, including women, a lot of packer and viking fans are hoping the pats beat the Eagles as one put it (whilst holding my nose)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 24, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
The oft-told anecdote about Eagles fans is that they booed Santa Claus!

But yeah, some of the videos and stories from the other night do support the perception that at least some of their fans are complete scum.

It will be a case of pick your poison I think for the final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22213241/vince-mcmahon-gimmick-free-xfl-return-2020

XFL is back. Can't wait to see how it turns out. No one should discount Vince McMahon as a businessman.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2018, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22213241/vince-mcmahon-gimmick-free-xfl-return-2020

XFL is back. Can't wait to see how it turns out. No one should discount Vince McMahon as a businessman.

When it comes to football I would. McMahon has had plenty of catastrophes over the years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 25, 2018, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2018, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22213241/vince-mcmahon-gimmick-free-xfl-return-2020

XFL is back. Can't wait to see how it turns out. No one should discount Vince McMahon as a businessman.

When it comes to football I would. McMahon has had plenty of catastrophes over the years.

This actually sounds like it has a chance though.  The XFL was cat, in my opinion,  but this sounds like it might not have the same gimmicks that got old quick. I like the sound of 2 hour games and he's also appealing to the zeitgeist by talking about criminal records and not allowing social stances.

If I was the NFL I'd be looking at some of the same stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2018, 10:41:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 24, 2018, 12:09:30 PM
The oft-told anecdote about Eagles fans is that they booed Santa Claus!

But yeah, some of the videos and stories from the other night do support the perception that at least some of their fans are complete scum.

It will be a case of pick your poison I think for the final.

They have been scum for decades J70, this is not a new thing to them, they revel in acting the sc**bag ( A sizeable number of them do)


The Pats are hated because they are winners, end of, people will talk about deflategate and whatever but the bottom line is fans hate them because they win all the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Every NFL fanbase has a certain small percentage of scummy element to it - the Eagles are by far the worst
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2018, 11:02:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Every NFL fanbase has a certain small percentage of scummy element to it - the Eagles are by far the worst

They are, here you went to a packers game in Lambeau, how many scumbags did you meet at Lambeau?????

Seriously though, A mate of mine lives just up the street from Lambeau Field and every year they have a deck party during the Pack V Bears game, his buddy Josh ( I think) is a big, big bastard, strong like bull and he has about 15 beers and starts inviting Bears fans onto the deck, everything is great for a bit and the banter if flying until yer man grabs one of these bucks and throws him over the deck, holding him by the ankles, screaming ensues as the victim is thinking he is going to die, then the grip goes to one ankle and passers by are transfixed by the sight and invariably the cameras are out until Josh pulls his victim back up and all is well, how he has never been arrested is beyond me, I have seen this twice and it is incredibly funny yet incredibly wrong and dangerous at the same time, I miss Green Bay!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
None at all. Rowdiest fellas I saw at Lambeau was these 2 yahoos in 15F weather

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1929393_17027870037_5597_n.jpg?oh=fbadc595f24b9c3e344493bfb4cd5a39&oe=5ADE73F9)

I have seen them and Bills fans get into rucks at the Ralph  though - Bills fans are another rough shower as well

QuoteI miss Green Bay!

And the Guinness

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2018, 11:26:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2018, 11:09:14 PM
None at all. Rowdiest fellas I saw at Lambeau was these 2 yahoos in 15F weather

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/1929393_17027870037_5597_n.jpg?oh=fbadc595f24b9c3e344493bfb4cd5a39&oe=5ADE73F9)

I have seen them and Bills fans get into rucks at the Ralph  though - Bills fans are another rough shower as well

QuoteI miss Green Bay!

And the Guinness

Shure you are the man from the metropolis who was ravin about the stout in Canada, I told you about a wee German bar that had the best stout outside of Irland and you laughed at me, three pints in apiece and you were raving about how good the black was at the Lorelei Inn in Green Bay, and you admitted it was better than the stuff you got back in Canada!  :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2018, 11:30:08 PM
That's the name of the place - completely forgot.  :-[

Was telling a friend of mine about it up here who goes down to the games there about a great place for Guinness. Will have to send him that way now

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 25, 2018, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on January 25, 2018, 11:30:08 PM
That's the name of the place - completely forgot.  :-[

Was telling a friend of mine about it up here who goes down to the games there about a great place for Guinness. Will have to send him that way now

Do that Gab, tell him the food is excellent as well, ribeye and mushrooms and onions with steak fries, brown sauce, salt and vinegar served on a skillet, Brilliant!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 25, 2018, 11:47:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 25, 2018, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 25, 2018, 09:05:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 25, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22213241/vince-mcmahon-gimmick-free-xfl-return-2020

XFL is back. Can't wait to see how it turns out. No one should discount Vince McMahon as a businessman.

When it comes to football I would. McMahon has had plenty of catastrophes over the years.

This actually sounds like it has a chance though.  The XFL was cat, in my opinion,  but this sounds like it might not have the same gimmicks that got old quick. I like the sound of 2 hour games and he's also appealing to the zeitgeist by talking about criminal records and not allowing social stances.

If I was the NFL I'd be looking at some of the same stuff

The 30 for 30 on the XFL from last year is fascinating, it's not an overstatement to say McMahon has spent the last decade and a half thinking about what went wrong the first time around. I think if executed well a spring football league with tighter games will be a success. Live sports is one of the few things that can still generate big advertising money these days so there are a lot of sound fundamentals behind the idea.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on January 26, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
Was at the Eagles game myself and seen no one being a 'sc**bag' at all apart from a loud mouth with a Vikings top who was pretty full of himself.  As has been said before all teams will have a few bad eggs among the 60000 or so attending.
Have to say the noise after the pick 6 was unbelievable, never have i heard a roar like it.  The whole day was a great experience and i would be delighted if the Eagles can finish the job now in the Super Bowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 26, 2018, 12:37:55 AM
A serious Irish basketball prospect?
https://www.balls.ie/american-sports/cj-fulton-15-three-pointers-382009

On a side topic the lack of basketball coverage in the Irish sports media always baffles me when compared to the likes of tennis or even cricket these days. Playing numbers can't be too far behind Rugby for instance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 26, 2018, 08:40:44 AM
Re rough fans in the NFL, the Eagles are notorious alright, and they turn on their team very quickly. But in 4 years as a season ticket holder in Arizona, I can honestly say that the biggest shower of nutters are the Raiders. They fight with the opposition, with themselves, with security, anybody.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 26, 2018, 09:39:10 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 26, 2018, 12:37:55 AM
A serious Irish basketball prospect?
https://www.balls.ie/american-sports/cj-fulton-15-three-pointers-382009

On a side topic the lack of basketball coverage in the Irish sports media always baffles me when compared to the likes of tennis or even cricket these days. Playing numbers can't be too far behind Rugby for instance.

Son of the well known Adrian Fulton. I read that he had 15 3s and wondered what his shooting percentage, expecting it to still be average and then found out he'd made 14/16. Ridiculous stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 26, 2018, 09:44:52 AM
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on January 26, 2018, 12:37:55 AM
A serious Irish basketball prospect?
https://www.balls.ie/american-sports/cj-fulton-15-three-pointers-382009

On a side topic the lack of basketball coverage in the Irish sports media always baffles me when compared to the likes of tennis or even cricket these days. Playing numbers can't be too far behind Rugby for instance.

I'm glad the article quoted some tweets that gave an indication of his shooting %.....it might take a while but if I threw up enough 3 point attempts I'd hit 15 too. Seems this lad missed very few so an incredible day shooting for him, fair play.

When I played U-16 basketball there was a guy on our team who regularly scored over 40 points. And he rarely shot 3 pointers. Very skilful but played very little after that (was an excellent gaelic football midfielder). He could shoot from everywhere if needed but he was so good inside the key.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 29, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
Cleveland Indians to drop their Chief Wahoo logo.  I think it's a good thing because far from honoring Native Americans, the leering big-nosed red-faced caricature is simply offensive.  I could accept it if it were a more dignified logo. The team is still retaining the name "Indians." Sometimes political correctness is simply correctness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 30, 2018, 01:44:32 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 26, 2018, 09:39:10 AM
Son of the well known Adrian Fulton.

I played in basketball for years against Adrian, and Gareth Maguire that was one of the first St Malachy's team to really progress to the Irish level. I think they beat us in 3 ulster finals. They all played at Star in the 90's winning the Irish championship maybe in '96 or 97. Gareth is now running a great charity in Belfast called Sport Changes Life.

Some of the most fun I had playing basketball was in the rec league at queens in the 90s. I think my style was "agricultural". Eamon Mc Cotter and a few of those St Malachy boys, a few lads from Dungannon, (inter and academy always had a grudge), throw in yer man Dupree who was the american guy at Star and that made for fun basketball, and of course a few scoops to follow.

There's been a few Irish basketball successes in the US- Kieran Quinn led the charge at Post University, from Tipp minor hurling. Pat Burke of course who was the first Irish player in the NBA.
Post has great relationships with Irish basketball, and have had maybe 15/20 national team players there.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 30, 2018, 11:18:07 AM
I loved playing basketball but after U-16 community games I never played again. I was decent but size was always going to be a problem as I'm only 5'9". It was either go into Sligo Allstars underage programme (which I just wouldn't have been good enough for) or stop playing which I think was a shame.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 30, 2018, 11:25:37 AM
Sticking with basketball, Blake Griffin away to the Pistons for a couple of picks and a few shit contracts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Bringing in Doc Rivers has turned the Clippers from championship chasers to lottery chasers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2018, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Bringing in Doc Rivers has turned the Clippers from championship chasers to lottery chasers.

Himself and 'the logo' seem to have issues with each other anyway...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 30, 2018, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2018, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Bringing in Doc Rivers has turned the Clippers from championship chasers to lottery chasers.

Himself and 'the logo' seem to have issues with each other anyway...

West is fixing things. Griffin's athleticism is already in decline after all the injuries and he's on the books for a LOT over the next few years. Think his new contract was 170m last year and there's a player option for an extra year at 40 odd million. Best get what they can. I'd expect Deandre Jordan to be on the move imminently now too.

Hard to see what the Pistons get out of it really.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 31, 2018, 12:06:15 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 30, 2018, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2018, 10:28:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 30, 2018, 03:21:29 PM
Bringing in Doc Rivers has turned the Clippers from championship chasers to lottery chasers.

Himself and 'the logo' seem to have issues with each other anyway...

West is fixing things. Griffin's athleticism is already in decline after all the injuries and he's on the books for a LOT over the next few years. Think his new contract was 170m last year and there's a player option for an extra year at 40 odd million. Best get what they can. I'd expect Deandre Jordan to be on the move imminently now too.

Hard to see what the Pistons get out of it really.

A good player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 31, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 29, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
Cleveland Indians to drop their Chief Wahoo logo.  I think it's a good thing because far from honoring Native Americans, the leering big-nosed red-faced caricature is simply offensive.  I could accept it if it were a more dignified logo. The team is still retaining the name "Indians." Sometimes political correctness is simply correctness.

Orais, remember the Washington Bullets? I know you do, now if ever a name needed to go it was that one, that said, the Washington Redskins are iconic, they pay great respect to the native people of America and in my opinion the name should stay forever, I have tremendous respect for native Americans, one of the biggest Redskin fans ever was the leader of the Navaho people who was an avid Redskins fan, there was tremendous heat for I think Dan Snyder, the owner to change the name, the leader loved the name redskins, saw it for what it was and did not want change, and won the day, I remember saying at the time the Irish didnt get offended at the Notre Dame Logo and no one clamoured to get rid of the fighting Irish symbol, sometimes tradition matters and you should not take youself too seriously.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 01:52:43 AM
Stew, I'm talking about the Indians' logo, which depicts Indians as leering buffoons--no vestige of respect there.  If the Fighting Irish logo depicted the Irish using the simian images of the Know-Nothing era, I'd oppose it too.  To me, the leprechaun is irritating, not offensive.  The Indians intend to have Native American artists design a new, more tasteful and respectful mascot.  I do find the name "Redskins" offensive, as I would if a team were called the Nashville Niggers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 31, 2018, 03:21:55 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 01:52:43 AM
Stew, I'm talking about the Indians' logo, which depicts Indians as leering buffoons--no vestige of respect there.  If the Fighting Irish logo depicted the Irish using the simian images of the Know-Nothing era, I'd oppose it too.  To me, the leprechaun is irritating, not offensive.  The Indians intend to have Native American artists design a new, more tasteful and respectful mascot.  I do find the name "Redskins" offensive, as I would if a team were called the Nashville Niggers.

How many genders do you recognise Orais? and what are they? What does not offend you and your sensibilities? Do the 100 year old statues of confederates offend you? Hopefully not as they are almost exclusively democrat, I would rather respect the wishes of the Indian people than your opinion or my opinion, your shock factor post, rather than shock me, instead hardened my resolve, I absolutely loathe your leftist bullshit stances and will always prefer the will of the native people over the lefts will or the rights will, Lord knows both right and left have done more than enough damage and told enough lies that hurt the native people, they need to make their opinions felt on the matter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 31, 2018, 04:00:19 AM
Stew - wtf is your issue with gender?

Let it go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
Stew, I have deliberately chosen not to respond to your posts for a long time because it's like throwing a match into a powder keg. This time, I attempted to calmly explain what's offensive to me about the Chief Wahoo logo. Do you think that the logo is complimentary to Native Americans?  What about the red skin? Isn't it a little like when whites in vaudeville mocked blacks by wearing blackface? Do you think that's OK? What about the big hooked nose? And don't you agree that the leering grin makes Native Americans look clownish and imbecilic? I pointed out that the Indians organization is seeking the aid of Native American artists to design a more suitable logo. Does that bother you? I asked you to consider if Notre Dame had chosen a stereotypical image of the stock Irishman, like the ones common at the time of Irish post-famine immigration. Would that trouble you?  Instead of responding to these ideas, you launch into a litany of straw man arguments about gender, and Confederate states, and what not. I don't know when or how I teed you off to warrant such a downpour of vitriol. I remember a time when you were warm and generous, admirable in your dealings with board members. I don't know what happened to you in Milwaukee to change that, but I'm sorry that it happened.  I'll leave it on an area of common ground--let's beat Westmeath.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 31, 2018, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 29, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
Cleveland Indians to drop their Chief Wahoo logo.  I think it's a good thing because far from honoring Native Americans, the leering big-nosed red-faced caricature is simply offensive.  I could accept it if it were a more dignified logo. The team is still retaining the name "Indians." Sometimes political correctness is simply correctness.

Orais, remember the Washington Bullets? I know you do, now if ever a name needed to go it was that one, that said, the Washington Redskins are iconic, they pay great respect to the native people of America and in my opinion the name should stay forever, I have tremendous respect for native Americans, one of the biggest Redskin fans ever was the leader of the Navaho people who was an avid Redskins fan, there was tremendous heat for I think Dan Snyder, the owner to change the name, the leader loved the name redskins, saw it for what it was and did not want change, and won the day, I remember saying at the time the Irish didnt get offended at the Notre Dame Logo and no one clamoured to get rid of the fighting Irish symbol, sometimes tradition matters and you should not take youself too seriously.
There are a huge number of Native Americans and Native American representative groups who find the Redskin name offensive and would like it changed. That's good enough for me. I don't think we should have a say in it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 31, 2018, 09:07:43 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 31, 2018, 04:00:19 AM
Stew - wtf is your issue with gender?

Let it go.

There are now 63 different genders, thats what my issue is, it is a disgrace.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 31, 2018, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 29, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
Cleveland Indians to drop their Chief Wahoo logo.  I think it's a good thing because far from honoring Native Americans, the leering big-nosed red-faced caricature is simply offensive.  I could accept it if it were a more dignified logo. The team is still retaining the name "Indians." Sometimes political correctness is simply correctness.

Orais, remember the Washington Bullets? I know you do, now if ever a name needed to go it was that one, that said, the Washington Redskins are iconic, they pay great respect to the native people of America and in my opinion the name should stay forever, I have tremendous respect for native Americans, one of the biggest Redskin fans ever was the leader of the Navaho people who was an avid Redskins fan, there was tremendous heat for I think Dan Snyder, the owner to change the name, the leader loved the name redskins, saw it for what it was and did not want change, and won the day, I remember saying at the time the Irish didnt get offended at the Notre Dame Logo and no one clamoured to get rid of the fighting Irish symbol, sometimes tradition matters and you should not take youself too seriously.
There are a huge number of Native Americans and Native American representative groups who find the Redskin name offensive and would like it changed. That's good enough for me. I don't think we should have a say in it.

Including the Navajo nation by the way. In April 2014, a Navajo Nation Council committee voted 9-2 in support of a bill called "Opposing the Use of Disparaging References to Native People in Professional Sports Franchises."

Of course some members of the Navajo nation, which is based largely around the South West, mainly Arizona with a bit in New Mexico and Utah, think it's a big deal about nothing, but it's not true to imply the Navajo don't have a problem with this because their president sat wearing a redskins cap at a Cardinals game. I don't think there is any proof that he is a redskins fan at all to be honest, I think he was just doing 'business'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.

Where will Cousins land? He's going to get a massive contract. I'm not sure I want him in Arizona to be honest, on that sort of Salary Cap hit. Who else is looking for QB? Cleveland might be in for him, they have space.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 31, 2018, 09:57:41 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 09:07:43 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 31, 2018, 04:00:19 AM
Stew - wtf is your issue with gender?

Let it go.

There are now 63 different genders, thats what my issue is, it is a disgrace.

It's also got f**k all to do with the argument in question and f**k all to do with the American sports thread . . . vintage stew!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.

Where will Cousins land? He's going to get a massive contract. I'm not sure I want him in Arizona to be honest, on that sort of Salary Cap hit. Who else is looking for QB? Cleveland might be in for him, they have space.

Broncos, Jags, Bills & Jets for starters I would say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 10:04:13 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 31, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.

Where will Cousins land? He's going to get a massive contract. I'm not sure I want him in Arizona to be honest, on that sort of Salary Cap hit. Who else is looking for QB? Cleveland might be in for him, they have space.

Broncos, Jags, Bills & Jets for starters I would say
Broncos or Jets seems to be the talk of the Twitterverse at the moment for Cousins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 31, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.

Where will Cousins land? He's going to get a massive contract. I'm not sure I want him in Arizona to be honest, on that sort of Salary Cap hit. Who else is looking for QB? Cleveland might be in for him, they have space.

Broncos, Jags, Bills & Jets for starters I would say

Sorry, I should have phrased that better. Who else is looking for him , and has Cap Space?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 31, 2018, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 31, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.

Where will Cousins land? He's going to get a massive contract. I'm not sure I want him in Arizona to be honest, on that sort of Salary Cap hit. Who else is looking for QB? Cleveland might be in for him, they have space.

Broncos, Jags, Bills & Jets for starters I would say

Sorry, I should have phrased that better. Who else is looking for him , and has Cap Space?
cleveland
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 31, 2018, 04:51:12 PM
He'll go my Jags I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on January 31, 2018, 04:58:11 PM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 09:07:43 AM
Quote from: heganboy on January 31, 2018, 04:00:19 AM
Stew - wtf is your issue with gender?

Let it go.

There are now 63 different genders, thats what my issue is, it is a disgrace.

You grew up with 3 tv channels, now there's thousands, just pick what you like and get on with it. Why does it matter? Why are you so angry about this?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 31, 2018, 06:03:15 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on January 31, 2018, 04:51:12 PM
He'll go my Jags I think.
maybe Denver also
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 31, 2018, 04:49:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 31, 2018, 09:59:45 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:53:13 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 31, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
Alex Smith is off to Washington, contracted to them for the next 5 seasons. First missing piece of the QB jigsaw in place.

Where will Cousins land? He's going to get a massive contract. I'm not sure I want him in Arizona to be honest, on that sort of Salary Cap hit. Who else is looking for QB? Cleveland might be in for him, they have space.

Broncos, Jags, Bills & Jets for starters I would say

Sorry, I should have phrased that better. Who else is looking for him , and has Cap Space?
cleveland

Read earlier on NFL.com that Jets have over $100m in cap space and Bills also have the cap space
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 31, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Think it's a brilliant deal for KC. They're clearly all in on Mahomes and a franchise QB on a rookie deal is the single best asset in football. Throw in Fuller (alongside Peters and Eric Berry!) and a pick and they've done brilliantly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 31, 2018, 08:03:21 PM
Brilliant deal for the Chiefs. Not sure what the Redskins were at when you see the numbers and the other player involved.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 31, 2018, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 31, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Think it's a brilliant deal for KC. They're clearly all in on Mahomes and a franchise QB on a rookie deal is the single best asset in football. Throw in Fuller (alongside Peters and Eric Berry!) and a pick and they've done brilliantly.

Only if Mahones is a franchise QB, something no one even in KC actually knows yet. Big risk.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 31, 2018, 08:10:04 PM
They were going with Mahomes regardless. To get what they got for Smith is brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 31, 2018, 09:53:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on January 31, 2018, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 31, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Think it's a brilliant deal for KC. They're clearly all in on Mahomes and a franchise QB on a rookie deal is the single best asset in football. Throw in Fuller (alongside Peters and Eric Berry!) and a pick and they've done brilliantly.

Only if Mahones is a franchise QB, something no one even in KC actually knows yet. Big risk.

Of course, but they've clearly decided he's their guy. Having made the decision to trade (whether history proves them right or wrong), they did a damn good job of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 31, 2018, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 31, 2018, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 29, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
Cleveland Indians to drop their Chief Wahoo logo.  I think it's a good thing because far from honoring Native Americans, the leering big-nosed red-faced caricature is simply offensive.  I could accept it if it were a more dignified logo. The team is still retaining the name "Indians." Sometimes political correctness is simply correctness.

Orais, remember the Washington Bullets? I know you do, now if ever a name needed to go it was that one, that said, the Washington Redskins are iconic, they pay great respect to the native people of America and in my opinion the name should stay forever, I have tremendous respect for native Americans, one of the biggest Redskin fans ever was the leader of the Navaho people who was an avid Redskins fan, there was tremendous heat for I think Dan Snyder, the owner to change the name, the leader loved the name redskins, saw it for what it was and did not want change, and won the day, I remember saying at the time the Irish didnt get offended at the Notre Dame Logo and no one clamoured to get rid of the fighting Irish symbol, sometimes tradition matters and you should not take youself too seriously.
There are a huge number of Native Americans and Native American representative groups who find the Redskin name offensive and would like it changed. That's good enough for me. I don't think we should have a say in it.

Including the Navajo nation by the way. In April 2014, a Navajo Nation Council committee voted 9-2 in support of a bill called "Opposing the Use of Disparaging References to Native People in Professional Sports Franchises."

Of course some members of the Navajo nation, which is based largely around the South West, mainly Arizona with a bit in New Mexico and Utah, think it's a big deal about nothing, but it's not true to imply the Navajo don't have a problem with this because their president sat wearing a redskins cap at a Cardinals game. I don't think there is any proof that he is a redskins fan at all to be honest, I think he was just doing 'business'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html)
Yep, according to that article that Navajo leader,  Ben Shelly, was unpopular and on his way out. You'd have to think he was getting paid. Pretty grubby publicity stunt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 31, 2018, 11:25:03 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 31, 2018, 10:14:20 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 31, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on January 31, 2018, 05:17:28 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 29, 2018, 11:51:06 PM
Cleveland Indians to drop their Chief Wahoo logo.  I think it's a good thing because far from honoring Native Americans, the leering big-nosed red-faced caricature is simply offensive.  I could accept it if it were a more dignified logo. The team is still retaining the name "Indians." Sometimes political correctness is simply correctness.

Orais, remember the Washington Bullets? I know you do, now if ever a name needed to go it was that one, that said, the Washington Redskins are iconic, they pay great respect to the native people of America and in my opinion the name should stay forever, I have tremendous respect for native Americans, one of the biggest Redskin fans ever was the leader of the Navaho people who was an avid Redskins fan, there was tremendous heat for I think Dan Snyder, the owner to change the name, the leader loved the name redskins, saw it for what it was and did not want change, and won the day, I remember saying at the time the Irish didnt get offended at the Notre Dame Logo and no one clamoured to get rid of the fighting Irish symbol, sometimes tradition matters and you should not take youself too seriously.
There are a huge number of Native Americans and Native American representative groups who find the Redskin name offensive and would like it changed. That's good enough for me. I don't think we should have a say in it.

Including the Navajo nation by the way. In April 2014, a Navajo Nation Council committee voted 9-2 in support of a bill called "Opposing the Use of Disparaging References to Native People in Professional Sports Franchises."

Of course some members of the Navajo nation, which is based largely around the South West, mainly Arizona with a bit in New Mexico and Utah, think it's a big deal about nothing, but it's not true to imply the Navajo don't have a problem with this because their president sat wearing a redskins cap at a Cardinals game. I don't think there is any proof that he is a redskins fan at all to be honest, I think he was just doing 'business'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html)
Yep, according to that article that Navajo leader,  Ben Shelly, was unpopular and on his way out. You'd have to think he was getting paid. Pretty grubby publicity stunt.

That is utter bullshit! The man was a lifelong Redskins fan, you have him getting paid for his opinion and then say it was a 'pretty grubby publicity stunt' Based on what exactly?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on January 31, 2018, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
Stew, I have deliberately chosen not to respond to your posts for a long time because it's like throwing a match into a powder keg. This time, I attempted to calmly explain what's offensive to me about the Chief Wahoo logo. Do you think that the logo is complimentary to Native Americans?  What about the red skin? Isn't it a little like when whites in vaudeville mocked blacks by wearing blackface? Do you think that's OK? What about the big hooked nose? And don't you agree that the leering grin makes Native Americans look clownish and imbecilic? I pointed out that the Indians organization is seeking the aid of Native American artists to design a more suitable logo. Does that bother you? I asked you to consider if Notre Dame had chosen a stereotypical image of the stock Irishman, like the ones common at the time of Irish post-famine immigration. Would that trouble you?  Instead of responding to these ideas, you launch into a litany of straw man arguments about gender, and Confederate states, and what not. I don't know when or how I teed you off to warrant such a downpour of vitriol. I remember a time when you were warm and generous, admirable in your dealings with board members. I don't know what happened to you in Milwaukee to change that, but I'm sorry that it happened.  I'll leave it on an area of common ground--let's beat Westmeath.

When did you develop this aversion to the term 'Washington Redskins' and when did you first state publically your dislike of the name?

You used the word 'Nigger' as if the name Washington Redskins is as offensive as a fictional team named the 'Nashville Nigger' And you were calm when you wrote that, really? Somehow I doubt that. Your use of the word 'Nigger'  set me off because I was upset that you would equate the Washington Redskins as having a name just as repugnant and awful as the word Nigger! To me, if that was the case it was disgusting of you tpo do so, if I picked that up wrong I am sorry!


I never lived in Milwaukee in my life so I have no idea what you are on about as nothing happened in Milwaukee or anywhere else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 01, 2018, 12:01:45 AM
That stunt was a few months after the Navajo council had voted 9 - 2 to oppose the name and Sherry was certainly benefitting financially from his relationship with Snyder. He had previous in the fraud and corruption departments too. . .
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/deadspin.com/disgraced-soon-to-be-former-navajo-nation-president-at-1645509844/amp
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 01, 2018, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
Stew, I have deliberately chosen not to respond to your posts for a long time because it's like throwing a match into a powder keg. This time, I attempted to calmly explain what's offensive to me about the Chief Wahoo logo. Do you think that the logo is complimentary to Native Americans?  What about the red skin? Isn't it a little like when whites in vaudeville mocked blacks by wearing blackface? Do you think that's OK? What about the big hooked nose? And don't you agree that the leering grin makes Native Americans look clownish and imbecilic? I pointed out that the Indians organization is seeking the aid of Native American artists to design a more suitable logo. Does that bother you? I asked you to consider if Notre Dame had chosen a stereotypical image of the stock Irishman, like the ones common at the time of Irish post-famine immigration. Would that trouble you?  Instead of responding to these ideas, you launch into a litany of straw man arguments about gender, and Confederate states, and what not. I don't know when or how I teed you off to warrant such a downpour of vitriol. I remember a time when you were warm and generous, admirable in your dealings with board members. I don't know what happened to you in Milwaukee to change that, but I'm sorry that it happened.  I'll leave it on an area of common ground--let's beat Westmeath.

When did you develop this aversion to the term 'Washington Redskins' and when did you first state publically your dislike of the name?

You used the word 'Nigger' as if the name Washington Redskins is as offensive as a fictional team named the 'Nashville Nigger' And you were calm when you wrote that, really? Somehow I doubt that. Your use of the word 'Nigger'  set me off because I was upset that you would equate the Washington Redskins as having a name just as repugnant and awful as the word Nigger! To me, if that was the case it was disgusting of you tpo do so, if I picked that up wrong I am sorry!


I never lived in Milwaukee in my life so I have no idea what you are on about as nothing happened in Milwaukee or anywhere else.

Ah now Stew, come on. The Redskins is an offensive name. The Nashville teamname is as offensive as the Redskins. You're in denial if you think otherwise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 01, 2018, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 01, 2018, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
Stew, I have deliberately chosen not to respond to your posts for a long time because it's like throwing a match into a powder keg. This time, I attempted to calmly explain what's offensive to me about the Chief Wahoo logo. Do you think that the logo is complimentary to Native Americans?  What about the red skin? Isn't it a little like when whites in vaudeville mocked blacks by wearing blackface? Do you think that's OK? What about the big hooked nose? And don't you agree that the leering grin makes Native Americans look clownish and imbecilic? I pointed out that the Indians organization is seeking the aid of Native American artists to design a more suitable logo. Does that bother you? I asked you to consider if Notre Dame had chosen a stereotypical image of the stock Irishman, like the ones common at the time of Irish post-famine immigration. Would that trouble you?  Instead of responding to these ideas, you launch into a litany of straw man arguments about gender, and Confederate states, and what not. I don't know when or how I teed you off to warrant such a downpour of vitriol. I remember a time when you were warm and generous, admirable in your dealings with board members. I don't know what happened to you in Milwaukee to change that, but I'm sorry that it happened.  I'll leave it on an area of common ground--let's beat Westmeath.

When did you develop this aversion to the term 'Washington Redskins' and when did you first state publically your dislike of the name?

You used the word 'Nigger' as if the name Washington Redskins is as offensive as a fictional team named the 'Nashville Nigger' And you were calm when you wrote that, really? Somehow I doubt that. Your use of the word 'Nigger'  set me off because I was upset that you would equate the Washington Redskins as having a name just as repugnant and awful as the word Nigger! To me, if that was the case it was disgusting of you tpo do so, if I picked that up wrong I am sorry!


I never lived in Milwaukee in my life so I have no idea what you are on about as nothing happened in Milwaukee or anywhere else.

Ah now Stew, come on. The Redskins is an offensive name. The Nashville teamname is as offensive as the Redskins. You're in denial if you think otherwise.

And you are?????

Nice try kid!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 01, 2018, 02:42:25 AM
Stew, historically whites have used physical attributes in a pejorative, demeaning way to denigrate various ethnic groups. I think in terms of words like "Chinks", "Slants", "Wetbacks" and so on. The meaning of the word "nigger" is "black-skinned", of course, a term coined by the superior to denote the inferior. The same is true of the word "redskin". It is derogatory and contemptuous, and that's why I think it needs to go.

But back to the Indians logo. When I first moved to Cleveland, I believed that the mascot was chosen to honor the first recognized Native American in the Major Leagues, Louis Sockalexis, but I now know that to be untrue. But if it were, and I ask again, do you believe that the Indians' mascot demonstrates admiration, or is it a source of laughter.  I wish you'd answer the questions about it that I pose. Do you think the exaggerated hooked nose reflects respect? Do you think the huge leering grin is a sign of honor, or is it a mocking jibe at Indians' buffoonery? Or the red skin, given my earlier comments about physical attributes?

You ask me when I first started to dislike the name "Redskins." I honestly don't know. I think it evolved over time as I developed a deeper awareness of what Native peoples endured at the hands of white colonists, when I read about the Trail of Tears and read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. I no longer found the stock images either amusing or likeable. In the same way, I grew up in Armagh playing "tig", chanting the rhyme "Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo,/Catch a Nigger By the Toe." However, once I developed a full awareness of what was done to black people--slavery, lynchings, Jim Crow laws--I found the word vile and repugnant.

My feeling about Chief Wahoo is that it is the single most objectionable image in professional sports, and I'm happy that the club has opted to remove it from the team uniform.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 01, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
Quote from: stew on February 01, 2018, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 01, 2018, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
Stew, I have deliberately chosen not to respond to your posts for a long time because it's like throwing a match into a powder keg. This time, I attempted to calmly explain what's offensive to me about the Chief Wahoo logo. Do you think that the logo is complimentary to Native Americans?  What about the red skin? Isn't it a little like when whites in vaudeville mocked blacks by wearing blackface? Do you think that's OK? What about the big hooked nose? And don't you agree that the leering grin makes Native Americans look clownish and imbecilic? I pointed out that the Indians organization is seeking the aid of Native American artists to design a more suitable logo. Does that bother you? I asked you to consider if Notre Dame had chosen a stereotypical image of the stock Irishman, like the ones common at the time of Irish post-famine immigration. Would that trouble you?  Instead of responding to these ideas, you launch into a litany of straw man arguments about gender, and Confederate states, and what not. I don't know when or how I teed you off to warrant such a downpour of vitriol. I remember a time when you were warm and generous, admirable in your dealings with board members. I don't know what happened to you in Milwaukee to change that, but I'm sorry that it happened.  I'll leave it on an area of common ground--let's beat Westmeath.

When did you develop this aversion to the term 'Washington Redskins' and when did you first state publically your dislike of the name?

You used the word 'Nigger' as if the name Washington Redskins is as offensive as a fictional team named the 'Nashville Nigger' And you were calm when you wrote that, really? Somehow I doubt that. Your use of the word 'Nigger'  set me off because I was upset that you would equate the Washington Redskins as having a name just as repugnant and awful as the word Nigger! To me, if that was the case it was disgusting of you tpo do so, if I picked that up wrong I am sorry!


I never lived in Milwaukee in my life so I have no idea what you are on about as nothing happened in Milwaukee or anywhere else.

Ah now Stew, come on. The Redskins is an offensive name. The Nashville teamname is as offensive as the Redskins. You're in denial if you think otherwise.

And you are?????

Nice try kid!

Nice try for what Stew? And who exactly are you? I'd safely say I've achieved a hell of a lot more in life than you have but I don't exactly try and belittle those who disagree with me. w**k€$tain
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 01, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
See ESPN reporting Le Bron Open to joining GSW next season if they can clear cap space. What would be the point for the rest of the NBA? Was he not crying about GSW creating a "super team" when Durant signed ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 01, 2018, 09:36:51 AM
There's no way they'll have the room. LeBron will only be moving for the max. Lakers or, a lot less likely but given they gave Jerry West now, the Clippers are the only places he'll be going.

Would love him to go to the Spurs and work with Pop though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on February 01, 2018, 05:59:19 PM
Any chance he could end up at Houston?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 01, 2018, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on February 01, 2018, 05:59:19 PM
Any chance he could end up at Houston?

If his flight to LA got redirected, sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 02, 2018, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 01, 2018, 04:01:06 AM
Quote from: stew on February 01, 2018, 01:34:03 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 01, 2018, 12:08:30 AM
Quote from: stew on January 31, 2018, 11:34:48 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on January 31, 2018, 04:59:57 AM
Stew, I have deliberately chosen not to respond to your posts for a long time because it's like throwing a match into a powder keg. This time, I attempted to calmly explain what's offensive to me about the Chief Wahoo logo. Do you think that the logo is complimentary to Native Americans?  What about the red skin? Isn't it a little like when whites in vaudeville mocked blacks by wearing blackface? Do you think that's OK? What about the big hooked nose? And don't you agree that the leering grin makes Native Americans look clownish and imbecilic? I pointed out that the Indians organization is seeking the aid of Native American artists to design a more suitable logo. Does that bother you? I asked you to consider if Notre Dame had chosen a stereotypical image of the stock Irishman, like the ones common at the time of Irish post-famine immigration. Would that trouble you?  Instead of responding to these ideas, you launch into a litany of straw man arguments about gender, and Confederate states, and what not. I don't know when or how I teed you off to warrant such a downpour of vitriol. I remember a time when you were warm and generous, admirable in your dealings with board members. I don't know what happened to you in Milwaukee to change that, but I'm sorry that it happened.  I'll leave it on an area of common ground--let's beat Westmeath.

When did you develop this aversion to the term 'Washington Redskins' and when did you first state publically your dislike of the name?

You used the word 'Nigger' as if the name Washington Redskins is as offensive as a fictional team named the 'Nashville Nigger' And you were calm when you wrote that, really? Somehow I doubt that. Your use of the word 'Nigger'  set me off because I was upset that you would equate the Washington Redskins as having a name just as repugnant and awful as the word Nigger! To me, if that was the case it was disgusting of you tpo do so, if I picked that up wrong I am sorry!


I never lived in Milwaukee in my life so I have no idea what you are on about as nothing happened in Milwaukee or anywhere else.

Ah now Stew, come on. The Redskins is an offensive name. The Nashville teamname is as offensive as the Redskins. You're in denial if you think otherwise.

And you are?????

Nice try kid!

Nice try for what Stew? And who exactly are you? I'd safely say I've achieved a hell of a lot more in life than you have but I don't exactly try and belittle those who disagree with me. w**k€$tain

Donny, What is it you think you have achieved that is so special I cannot possibly compete with youDonny? you dont know anything Donny, I also never tried to beliettle you Donny, I presumed from your ignorant post that you were joking that the name Nashville Niggers was  as equally offensive as the Cleveland Indians.

Donny, I have been around here for a decade, you have been here five minutes, you dont know enough to know nothing kid!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 04:29:23 AM
All hail Stew!

Bow before his greatness
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2018, 07:36:28 AM
Who's providing the half time entertainment on Sunday night?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on February 02, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2018, 07:36:28 AM
Who's providing the half time entertainment on Sunday night?
Justin Timberlake.

I see Gronkowski has also been passed fit to play - will be a major boost for the Pats - probably never in doubt that he was going to feature I guess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 02, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 04:29:23 AM
All hail Stew!

Bow before his greatness

Wtf?

So some tube comes on here and tells me he has achieved so much in his life compared to me and comes after me, just because I pulled him on suspicion of winding and I am supposed to lie down at his feet because he is yet another liberall blow in with an over inflated sense of self worth? f**k that but good job hegan, you liberals stick together, now next time you post let us know your thoughts on wether the Cleveland Indians name is as racist as oraisteach's 'Nashville Niggers' is?

And you stateside liberals wonder why I hate, with a passion, the looney left!  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 02, 2018, 10:10:36 AM
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on February 02, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 02, 2018, 07:36:28 AM
Who's providing the half time entertainment on Sunday night?
Justin Timberlake.

I see Gronkowski has also been passed fit to play - will be a major boost for the Pats - probably never in doubt that he was going to feature I guess.

The fine the player got for hitting Gronkowski that gave him the concussion was nothing short of a disgrace, what was he supposed to do? the sitting top dog in the NFL is a useless, ineffective dolt that has pandered to the left all year long and it is biting him in the ass! Good! The NFL needs new stewardship, this ballix needs to go and I hope more sponsors leave them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 02, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
Stew - I mean no offence but you need to calm down! Everything you dislike is not a conspiracy of the left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 02, 2018, 12:39:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 02, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
Stew - I mean no offence but you need to calm down! Everything you dislike is not a conspiracy of the left.

Correct Seanie, but fining a football player for doing what he is paid to do (and he did it cleanly) And fawning over these c***ts that take a knee sickens my shite and is turning people off, they are losing sponsors and I never once said everything was a leftist conspiracy, I will however call bullshit when I see it, and this shit is bullshit!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
QuoteDonny, What is it you think you have achieved that is so special I cannot possibly compete with youDonny? you dont know anything Donny, I also never tried to beliettle you Donny, I presumed from your ignorant post that you were joking that the name Nashville Niggers was  as equally offensive as the Cleveland Indians.

Donny, I have been around here for a decade, you have been here five minutes, you don't know enough to know nothing kid!
Stew,
if you don't think this statement opens you up for a bit of piss taking without it being some sort of left wing liberal conspiracy you should go and cop yourself on...
HB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 02, 2018, 03:57:28 PM
Stew, you ignore my questiona about the physical appearance of the Indians' mascot and pounce on the "Nashville Niggers" remark. No, I dont find "Redskins" as offensive as the word "Niggers." Instead, I brought them up only to point out that each was coined as a derogatory comment about an ethnic group using its skin color as a vehicle--red-skinned and black-skinned.

In bringing up the Cleveland mascot, I was not trying to stir you up; instead, I thought I had picked a subject on which we might have common ground. I did not bring up the Redskins, you did. In fact, I deliberately sought to stay clear of incendiary topics. For example, I ducked the question of college football teams changing their names: e.g. North Dakota Fighting Sioux to the ND Fighting Hawks or the Miami (Ohio) Redskins to the RedHawks.

Stew, in all seriousness, I'd like your opinion of the Indians mascot, and that one alone. Don't you find the red skin, the large hooked nose, the exaggerated leering grin all to be offensive and unsuitable homage to Native Americans. Again, I'd like your honest opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 02, 2018, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 04:29:23 AM
All hail Stew!

Bow before his greatness

Wtf?

So some tube comes on here and tells me he has achieved so much in his life compared to me and comes after me, just because I pulled him on suspicion of winding and I am supposed to lie down at his feet because he is yet another liberall blow in with an over inflated sense of self worth? f**k that but good job hegan, you liberals stick together, now next time you post let us know your thoughts on wether the Cleveland Indians name is as racist as oraisteach's 'Nashville Niggers' is?

And you stateside liberals wonder why I hate, with a passion, the looney left!  :o :o :o :o

How did you pull me on suspicion of winding? I wasn't on the wind up anyway but I thought about trying to respond to you but you're such an incredible ass that everyone has caught on to you. You have all these high and almighty thoughts and ideas. The fact that you even have such a strong opinion on the kneeling before the flag beggars belief. No matter how long you've been in Wisconsin, you ain't a Yank so wind yer neck in. You don't know what those black players go through. So why judge? You complain about Goodell? 31 of the owners I think it was just gave him an extension and raise, so we're led to believe that some buck eejit from Armagh knows more about the NFL and its business model than 31 of the richest businessmen in America? Everyone is catching on to you Stew, you're like a broken record '' Loony left, crooked Hillary'' blah de blah. Be original at least. Thats all I want.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 03, 2018, 12:08:16 AM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2018, 12:39:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 02, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
Stew - I mean no offence but you need to calm down! Everything you dislike is not a conspiracy of the left.

Correct Seanie, but fining a football player for doing what he is paid to do (and he did it cleanly) And fawning over these c***ts that take a knee sickens my shite and is turning people off, they are losing sponsors and I never once said everything was a leftist conspiracy, I will however call bullshit when I see it, and this shit is bullshit!

Two different things. I agree with you on the hit. I actually believe after watching replays and seeing still images it shouldn't have even been a flag. You can't fault the referees on the field too much for it because it happened so quick. The fine was unfair but I can understand why the NFL do it. They ignored player safety for a long time and are paying financially for it.....this is a kind of overcompensation. I wouldn't go too nuts about it. It's small beer to a football player and you can be sure his coaches and teammates told him he did the right thing.

I completely disagree with you on the taking a knee thing. There are serious racial issues in the US not least of which is the attitude of the police towards black people. I think it's legitimate for people to protest these issues in a dignified, respectful way. You don't have to agree with that but it's a great thing that people can protest in the US unlike many countries. It sometimes makes me laugh when the very same people who swear by the right to bear arms no matter what would deny people the right the express their opinions or protest. Frankly any sponsors who pull plant on the back of this are not worth having anyway. It's ridiculous and basically proving the protesters right if you ask me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 03, 2018, 01:28:59 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 02, 2018, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: stew on February 02, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
Quote from: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 04:29:23 AM
All hail Stew!

Bow before his greatness

Wtf?

So some tube comes on here and tells me he has achieved so much in his life compared to me and comes after me, just because I pulled him on suspicion of winding and I am supposed to lie down at his feet because he is yet another liberall blow in with an over inflated sense of self worth? f**k that but good job hegan, you liberals stick together, now next time you post let us know your thoughts on wether the Cleveland Indians name is as racist as oraisteach's 'Nashville Niggers' is?

And you stateside liberals wonder why I hate, with a passion, the looney left!  :o :o :o :o

How did you pull me on suspicion of winding? I wasn't on the wind up anyway but I thought about trying to respond to you but you're such an incredible ass that everyone has caught on to you. You have all these high and almighty thoughts and ideas. The fact that you even have such a strong opinion on the kneeling before the flag beggars belief. No matter how long you've been in Wisconsin, you ain't a Yank so wind yer neck in. You don't know what those black players go through. So why judge? You complain about Goodell? 31 of the owners I think it was just gave him an extension and raise, so we're led to believe that some buck eejit from Armagh knows more about the NFL and its business model than 31 of the richest businessmen in America? Everyone is catching on to you Stew, you're like a broken record '' Loony left, crooked Hillary'' blah de blah. Be original at least. Thats all I want.


The next original thought you have donny will be the first one son! I thought you were winding you moron, I did not know you were incapable of winding donny, you moron!

I dont know what those black players go through! Hmmm,  I know they go through airports, I know they travel first class, I know they make millions of dollars as do the billionaires that pay them, I know that they play a game for a living yet they seem to think their collective shite dont stink and I know middle America to know that they dont give a f**k what black, white, red pigskin players think from a political perspective, K Donny! Dick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 03, 2018, 07:15:04 AM
[quote author=stew link=topic=5335.msg1775323#msg1775323

I dont know what those black players go through! Hmmm,  I know they go through airports, I know they travel first class, I know they make millions of dollars as do the billionaires that pay them.
[/quote]
With you on this part stew. I'm not sure what the statistics are on wealthy/middle class black people getting shot by police or ending up in prison. My guess is that they wouldn't be much different to the stats on their white counterparts. The world gets hysterical about racism when the real discrimination in societies everywhere is the haves versus the have nots. As Gandhi said "Poverty is the worst form of violence". Having said that, fair play to some of the players who do a lot to help the poor in their communities.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2018, 12:22:30 AM
Great to see TO get into the Hall of Fame
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 04, 2018, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 03, 2018, 07:15:04 AM
[quote author=stew link=topic=5335.msg1775323#msg1775323

I dont know what those black players go through! Hmmm,  I know they go through airports, I know they travel first class, I know they make millions of dollars as do the billionaires that pay them.
With you on this part stew. I'm not sure what the statistics are on wealthy/middle class black people getting shot by police or ending up in prison. My guess is that they wouldn't be much different to the stats on their white counterparts. The world gets hysterical about racism when the real discrimination in societies everywhere is the haves versus the have nots. As Gandhi said "Poverty is the worst form of violence". Having said that, fair play to some of the players who do a lot to help the poor in their communities.
[/quote]

You do know they are protesting for their communities not themselves right??

You know better lads c'mon now we don't all have to be like Trump just because he's the President!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 04, 2018, 03:59:05 AM
Just to clarify, I wasn't complaining about them protesting. It's their right but I think it's a bit showy and meaningless unless they're s pending their own time and money to improve the lives of those in their communities. The point I was trying to make is that it's poor people of all races who are discriminated against in society and by the police. It's got fùck all to do with colour and as part of the super rich few, the players and owners are part of the problem unless they're giving a lot back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 04, 2018, 10:29:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2018, 12:22:30 AM
Great to see TO get into the Hall of Fame

I often wonder if the eagles could have won the Super bowl in 2005 had he been fit in the run up to game.  Despite returning early from a broken leg he managed 122 yards from 9 catches that day.  Dawkins was another worthy recipient from that team to get in yesterday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on February 04, 2018, 11:01:40 AM
Eagles for the win 41-31
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2018, 02:53:47 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2018, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 03, 2018, 07:15:04 AM
[quote author=stew link=topic=5335.msg1775323#msg1775323

I dont know what those black players go through! Hmmm,  I know they go through airports, I know they travel first class, I know they make millions of dollars as do the billionaires that pay them.
With you on this part stew. I'm not sure what the statistics are on wealthy/middle class black people getting shot by police or ending up in prison. My guess is that they wouldn't be much different to the stats on their white counterparts. The world gets hysterical about racism when the real discrimination in societies everywhere is the haves versus the have nots. As Gandhi said "Poverty is the worst form of violence". Having said that, fair play to some of the players who do a lot to help the poor in their communities.

You do know they are protesting for their communities not themselves right??

You know better lads c'mon now we don't all have to be like Trump just because he's the President!
[/quote]

Their communities???? Really, is that what they are doing, name one player, one f**king NFL player that lives in an impoverished or downtrodden community? You are a joke screenexile! Newsflash, they all live in lovely homes in great communities and the big bad police protect them day and night 24/7 365.

They are protesting to get noticed, to feel good about themselves and they protest to make it about them, some of them care about their former communities, some dont give a f**k about their former communities, they are simply opportunists.and not in a good way.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 04, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Why is Stew allowed to post this stuff constantly? Hate speech is allowed on GAABoard?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2018, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 04, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Why is Stew allowed to post this stuff constantly? Hate speech is allowed on GAABoard?

Report me snowflake, there is no hate here, only in your mind is there hate! I merely pointed out that not one NFL player lives in an impoverished community and that they and their families are protected by the police.

You see hate were there is none snowflake! Show me hate speech in what I wrote! You cant can you syferus? Thats what I thought.

I hate Hillary, Tyrone, Down and American liberalism and Hillary, I dont give a damn about colour or who anybody sleeps with, did I mention Hillory?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2018, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
QuoteDonny, What is it you think you have achieved that is so special I cannot possibly compete with youDonny? you dont know anything Donny, I also never tried to beliettle you Donny, I presumed from your ignorant post that you were joking that the name Nashville Niggers was  as equally offensive as the Cleveland Indians.

Donny, I have been around here for a decade, you have been here five minutes, you don't know enough to know nothing kid!
Stew,
if you don't think this statement opens you up for a bit of piss taking without it being some sort of left wing liberal conspiracy you should go and cop yourself on...
HB

I dont give a flying f**k if I get the piss taken out of me, especially by people lik youself who I dont know, we disagree politically and on many issues, that does not make either of us bad people, that said Donny has yet to tell us of his great achievements, I await with baited breath.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 04, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
More I think of today's game I can't see the Eagles doing it, hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2018, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
More I think of today's game I can't see the Eagles doing it, hope I'm wrong

I think this game will see the end of this Patriot era, they are old, beaten up and are playing a young hungry team that destroyed the best defence in football in the vikings.

31- 21 to the pole climbers unfortunately.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 04, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2018, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 04, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Why is Stew allowed to post this stuff constantly? Hate speech is allowed on GAABoard?

Report me snowflake, there is no hate here, only in your mind is there hate! I merely pointed out that not one NFL player lives in an impoverished community and that they and their families are protected by the police.

You see hate were there is none snowflake! Show me hate speech in what I wrote! You cant can you syferus? Thats what I thought.

I hate Hillary, Tyrone, Down and American liberalism and Hillary, I dont give a damn about colour or who anybody sleeps with, did I mention Hillory?

Class!!!!!!!

You're a wlking Monty Python sketch. . . "no hate here except I hate this and this and everything else plus the loony left"

As for the black football protest and them not living in mansions etc. surely they weren't born with all that money are they not allowed to stand up for the communities they came from?!! You know that's what I was talking or maybe it's just more of your comedy act!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2018, 08:25:12 PM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2018, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2018, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 04, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Why is Stew allowed to post this stuff constantly? Hate speech is allowed on GAABoard?

Report me snowflake, there is no hate here, only in your mind is there hate! I merely pointed out that not one NFL player lives in an impoverished community and that they and their families are protected by the police.

You see hate were there is none snowflake! Show me hate speech in what I wrote! You cant can you syferus? Thats what I thought.

I hate Hillary, Tyrone, Down and American liberalism and Hillary, I dont give a damn about colour or who anybody sleeps with, did I mention Hillory?

Class!!!!!!!

You're a wlking Monty Python sketch. . . "no hate here except I hate this and this and everything else plus the loony left"

As for the black football protest and them not living in mansions etc. surely they weren't born with all that money are they not allowed to stand up for the communities they came from?!! You know that's what I was talking or maybe it's just more of your comedy act!

So according no black football players grew up in affluent neighbourhoods? Is that it, you assume that they were born in poor neighbourhoods! That is racist! screenexile.

As for me, in the post I was referring to I wrote nothing with hate in it, and do you really think I hate Down and Tyrone??? The answer is no, I will give you the Americcan left and hrc, not that is real hate!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 04, 2018, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 01, 2018, 08:35:04 AM
See ESPN reporting Le Bron Open to joining GSW next season if they can clear cap space. What would be the point for the rest of the NBA? Was he not crying about GSW creating a "super team" when Durant signed ?

I dont see him  leaving Cleveland again, he loves to be loved and Cleveland fans would not take kindly to his departure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 04, 2018, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 04, 2018, 03:02:13 PM
Why is Stew allowed to post this stuff constantly? Hate speech is allowed on GAABoard?
What happened? Did he call someone a defensive midfielder?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 04, 2018, 10:04:27 PM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2018, 06:16:20 PM
Quote from: Minder on February 04, 2018, 06:02:12 PM
More I think of today's game I can't see the Eagles doing it, hope I'm wrong

I think this game will see the end of this Patriot era, they are old, beaten up and are playing a young hungry team that destroyed the best defence in football in the vikings.

31- 21 to the pole climbers unfortunately.
It would require their d-line to obliterate the Patriots o-line and Foles to be at least decent. Think the Patriots are good value at 1/2 myself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2018, 11:35:22 PM
Did that toss actually happen?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 04, 2018, 11:58:54 PM
Serious td there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 12:01:42 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 04, 2018, 11:58:54 PM
Serious td there.

What a catch!!

Poor miss for the EP.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 05, 2018, 12:04:58 AM
Quote from: stew on February 04, 2018, 05:52:06 PM
Quote from: heganboy on February 02, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
QuoteDonny, What is it you think you have achieved that is so special I cannot possibly compete with youDonny? you dont know anything Donny, I also never tried to beliettle you Donny, I presumed from your ignorant post that you were joking that the name Nashville Niggers was  as equally offensive as the Cleveland Indians.

Donny, I have been around here for a decade, you have been here five minutes, you don't know enough to know nothing kid!
Stew,
if you don't think this statement opens you up for a bit of piss taking without it being some sort of left wing liberal conspiracy you should go and cop yourself on...
HB

I dont give a flying f**k if I get the piss taken out of me, especially by people lik youself who I dont know, we disagree politically and on many issues, that does not make either of us bad people, that said Donny has yet to tell us of his great achievements, I await with baited breath.

Stew you pontificate on here with an air of arrogance that wouldn't be remiss of my username namesake. I imagine if instead of waiting with bated breath for my reply,if you had held your breath we would have enjoyed that better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 12:10:38 AM
Enjoyable first quarter Eagles going well and Brady's pace a big factor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 05, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
Ouch. That's probably goodnight for Cooks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cokers on February 05, 2018, 12:29:30 AM
Anyone got a link?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 05, 2018, 12:37:22 AM
It's on bbc
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 05, 2018, 12:43:46 AM
f**k me the pundit on sky who is giving all the suppossed analysis might as well be speaking martian. Who thought that was a good idea.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on February 05, 2018, 12:43:46 AM
f**k me the pundit on sky who is giving all the suppossed analysis might as well be speaking martian. Who thought that was a good idea.

The pundit? Josh Norman, a top three corner-back in the NFL? Johnny..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 05, 2018, 12:54:47 AM
I dont care about his playing record he is not playing tonight. Its like getting gazza after a session to do the footy. He could be very insightfull but i can hardly understand a word he is saying. Point confirmed as you knew which one of the 4 I was talking about lol. The other guys being just fine
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 12:55:32 AM
Quote from: JPGJOHNNYG on February 05, 2018, 12:54:47 AM
I dont care about his playing record he is not playing tonight. Its like getting gazza after a session to do the footy. He could be very insightfull but i can hardly understand a word he is saying. Point confirmed as you knew which one of the 4 I was talking about lol. The other guys being just fine

I can understand him just fine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 05, 2018, 01:04:59 AM
Lucky you maybe I need my ears syringing. Jonny sexton should try his hand at this looking at some of the misses so far by guys paid probably 10 times more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2018, 01:05:29 AM
Trick plays in the Superbowl - f**k yes!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 05, 2018, 01:05:46 AM
Some balls on Pedersen
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 01:06:31 AM
Brilliant first half really enjoyable so far.

Don't be watching Sky lads Osi's class on BBC!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 01:14:08 AM
Good game to watch so far. Pederson has been ballsy and rewarded for it. Brady has got away with a few sloppy passes that could have been picked.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 05, 2018, 01:16:27 AM
Eagles outcoaching the Pats in the first half. Moving the ball with ease. What adjustments can the Pats make in the second half?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 01:18:35 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 01:06:31 AM
Brilliant first half really enjoyable so far.

Don't be watching Sky lads Osi's class on BBC!

Jeff Reinbold is worth the price of admission alone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 01:31:12 AM
A good game so far. It could still go either way as the Pats will get the ball first in the second half. Gronk needs to get in the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 01:32:09 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 01:18:35 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 01:06:31 AM
Brilliant first half really enjoyable so far.

Don't be watching Sky lads Osi's class on BBC!

Jeff Reinbold is worth the price of admission alone.

Who is this Jeff Reinebold you speak of?? I only know "coach"

(http://storage.winnipegsun.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297854196172_ORIGINAL.jpg?size=400x)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 01:35:52 AM
That was a pretty good half-time show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 05, 2018, 01:37:44 AM
Great 1st half, seems to be a bit earlier this year too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 01:40:37 AM
What is the deal with Malcolm Butler the Patriots corner back not playing?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 01:41:32 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 01:40:37 AM
What is the deal with Malcolm Butler the Patriots corner back not playing?

Something fishy going on there... apparently had the flu then apparently it's a coaches decision. Doesn't add up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 01:50:34 AM
Why the fúck does Neil keep touching Josh?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 05, 2018, 02:03:02 AM
Big decision gone to Philadelphia there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 02:03:32 AM
Catch for me all day long great play!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on February 05, 2018, 02:04:15 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 05, 2018, 02:03:02 AM
Big decision gone to Philadelphia there.

Yeah, I thought it would be overturned.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 02:13:15 AM
Great game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 02:40:17 AM
The Pats are ahead by one but they are struggling to stop the Eagles all day long.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trileacman on February 05, 2018, 02:44:09 AM
Is Gronk married to his cousin? He looks like the kind of Yank who'd marry his cousin.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 02:55:36 AM
Quote from: trileacman on February 05, 2018, 02:44:09 AM
Is Gronk married to his cousin? He looks like the kind of Yank who'd marry his cousin.

Wow.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 03:01:38 AM
These 2 lads commentating are halfwits they haven't a clue about the catch rule!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 03:02:11 AM
The Eagles have a touchdown here but they would maybe have been better off with a first down. Then three runs and a field goal to take time off the clock. ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 03:02:55 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 03:01:38 AM
These 2 lads commentating are halfwits they haven't a clue about the catch rule!

What? The reason they don't is because the catch rules are insane. No one has a clue.

Foles is doing everything humanly possible here to beat the evil empire.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on February 05, 2018, 03:03:28 AM
Booooooooooooooooooooomfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 03:04:48 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 03:02:55 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 03:01:38 AM
These 2 lads commentating are halfwits they haven't a clue about the catch rule!

What? The reason they don't is because the catch rules are insane. No one has a clue.

Foles is doing everything humanly possible here to beat the evil empire.

I'm by no means an expert but I could clearly call the 2 catches... HOLY SHIT!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 03:05:49 AM
The face on Robert Kraft. Brilliant.

Fingertips deciding the Super Bowl. This might be the best one of all time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 03:15:23 AM
The reason you could "clearly call" the catches was precisely because you don't know the rules. It has been a mess all year and there have been instances where that catch would have been overturned
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 03:18:31 AM
What a game.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 03:19:34 AM
Thank fúck for that.

Nick Foles, what a story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 05, 2018, 03:21:05 AM
Unreal game. Fair play to the Eagles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 03:23:23 AM
Brady straight off down the tunnel. Probably a bit (Himalayan pink) salty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 05, 2018, 03:33:37 AM
Absolutely brilliant Nick Foles and the Philadelphia Eagles!!  That td play for Foles to score was something else. Oh to be in philly this week!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 05, 2018, 03:34:05 AM
That was epic.
Philly rode their luck on a few of those calls, but as gallsman points out some of those plays have been called both ways with no consistency whatsoever.

Some of the local ads in New York were hilarious. For hard core Giants fans that was the nightmare line up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:36:29 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 05, 2018, 03:01:38 AM
These 2 lads commentating are halfwits they haven't a clue about the catch rule!

Absolutely. I couldn't believe how stupid Michaels and Collinsworth were. He caught the ball at the 5 yard line FFS.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 03:36:55 AM
Now the owner who can't play, coach or pick players gets the trophy. Only in America :-[
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 03:36:55 AM
Now the owner who can't play, coach or pick players gets the trophy. Only in America :-[

Sure God and Jesus Christ won it for them, why would a player get it?

Now, moving on, who's going to pay Foles 100+ million?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:40:17 AM
Absolutely brilliant. People were on about "Foles can't win a SB" but you couldn't win a SB with that defence. Brady was outrageous again, shredding a brilliant defence but Foles with good, clever, positive play calling absolutely annihilated that rubbish defence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 05, 2018, 03:42:20 AM
Fair play to the Eagles. Didn't see the Patriots losing a shoot out. Yes the Eagles got lucky one one TD call but no more luck than any team that ever wins the SB so fair play to them. Came up with the big plays when needed most.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 03:42:47 AM
The Malcolm Butler revelations gonna be interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:55:02 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on February 04, 2018, 11:01:40 AM
Eagles for the win 41-31

Cracking prediction!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:55:53 AM
Also - delighted for Brian Urlacher on his elevation to the HOF. Incredible player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 03:59:40 AM
It's still disgusting that it took them this long to enshrine Owens. Serious begrudgery in the greybeard NFL elite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 04:04:02 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 03:40:03 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 05, 2018, 03:36:55 AM
Now the owner who can't play, coach or pick players gets the trophy. Only in America :-[

Sure God and Jesus Christ won it for them, why would a player get it?

Now, moving on, who's going to pay Foles 100+ million?

It seems I spoke too soon. There was no presentation to the owner this year. It was a bit of a mess. Where was Goodell to make the presentation? Pederson just picked up the trophy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 05, 2018, 04:06:14 AM
You missed the beginning - Goodell did the world champs speech and presented it to Jeff Lurie.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2018, 08:59:40 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:55:02 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on February 04, 2018, 11:01:40 AM
Eagles for the win 41-31

Cracking prediction!!!!
Great job, close enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2018, 09:02:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 05, 2018, 03:59:40 AM
It's still disgusting that it took them this long to enshrine Owens. Serious begrudgery in the greybeard NFL elite.

Its the Hall of Fame, Jerry Kramer, the greatest ever to play in his position in the last fifty years of the 20th century got in on the 11th time of asking, focus on the fact he got in, not how long it took him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2018, 09:09:49 AM
I started following the Pats in the Doug Flutie days and what a ride it has been, I dont think any one team will ever again dominate the way the pats have in the free agency era, it has been brilliant, fair play to the Eagles, they were unstoppable last night and fully deserved the win, Brady was excellent yet got outshone for once by Folles, a rarity in itself but what a game both teams played, ht ebest ever? I think so.

I think thats the end of this run, the end of the Patriots era, I thought the Eagles were going to be the winners here and so it proved, if it is Brady will go down in history as the greatest player in football history, not bad for a backup late round pick, he is simply the greatest ever and his contribution to the game is immeasureable.

So well done Eagles, enjoy the win and fly eagles fly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 05, 2018, 09:12:00 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:55:53 AM
Also - delighted for Brian Urlacher on his elevation to the HOF. Incredible player.

100% Seanie, he was unreal, I got to see him plenty of times and nobody came close to him in his prime, nobody.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 03:14:39 PM
Frank Reich on MMQB with Peter King revelealed they practiced the Foles TD catch play in the ballroom of the hotel. Serious slip up by the Patriots not to have cameras in there!  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 05, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
The Pats dynasty will go down as a great dynasty for sure. However the off-field issues with SpyGate and the deflated balls will tarnish their legacy a small bit. Brady has to go down as the clutchest QB to ever play, but will he go down as the greatest I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on February 05, 2018, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 05, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
The Pats dynasty will go down as a great dynasty for sure. However the off-field issues with SpyGate and the deflated balls will tarnish their legacy a small bit. Brady has to go down as the clutchest QB to ever play, but will he go down as the greatest I'm not so sure.

Not even a question in my mind on that and I grew up watching Joe Cool in his prime.  8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: TabClear on February 05, 2018, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 05, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
The Pats dynasty will go down as a great dynasty for sure. However the off-field issues with SpyGate and the deflated balls will tarnish their legacy a small bit. Brady has to go down as the clutchest QB to ever play, but will he go down as the greatest I'm not so sure.

Not even a question in my mind on that and I grew up watching Joe Cool in his prime.  8) 8)

How would he fare playing for Green Bay at the moment?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 05, 2018, 04:20:41 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.

He played Special Teams I think. Something else going on there I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 05, 2018, 04:24:18 PM
Very strange no doubt

Quote@MikeReiss

Just caught up with a very emotional Malcolm Butler, alongside Adam Schefter. "They gave up on me. F***. It is what it is," Butler told us.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on February 05, 2018, 04:37:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 05, 2018, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: TabClear on February 05, 2018, 04:18:46 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 05, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
The Pats dynasty will go down as a great dynasty for sure. However the off-field issues with SpyGate and the deflated balls will tarnish their legacy a small bit. Brady has to go down as the clutchest QB to ever play, but will he go down as the greatest I'm not so sure.

Not even a question in my mind on that and I grew up watching Joe Cool in his prime.  8) 8)

How would he fare playing for Green Bay at the moment?

Lol, which one. Fair point, you have to have the weapons but to me that is one of the reasons why Brady is the GOAT. How many times has he struck up a understanding with a "new" target. Yes he had Gronk, MOss et al but just look at Amendola this year or Bennett last year. When Edelman went down Brady just moved onto Amendola as his go to guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on February 05, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.
:)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 05, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.
:)

I see the philly scum are looting, turning over cars and doing what you expect from a gaggle of low lifes! Their team were magnificent and they, some of the fans have to act the hard men and wreck property and behave in anti social behaviour, durt!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 06, 2018, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 05, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.
:)

I see the philly scum are looting, turning over cars and doing what you expect from a gaggle of low lifes! Their team were magnificent and they, some of the fans have to act the hard men and wreck property and behave in anti social behaviour, durt!

I don't understand that. It's happened in other cities too in the past. What's the rationale? We won, so we'll wreck our own city? Ahem, Boston features.

http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 06, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2018, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 05, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.
:)

I see the philly scum are looting, turning over cars and doing what you expect from a gaggle of low lifes! Their team were magnificent and they, some of the fans have to act the hard men and wreck property and behave in anti social behaviour, durt!

I don't understand that. It's happened in other cities too in the past. What's the rationale? We won, so we'll wreck our own city? Ahem, Boston features.

http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/)

Yanks can't hold their drink  :P
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 06, 2018, 12:04:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 06, 2018, 11:05:48 AM
Quote from: stew on February 06, 2018, 11:01:21 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on February 05, 2018, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on February 05, 2018, 09:40:58 AM
How badly ill could Malcolm Butler have been to end up being benched?
I bet Brian Whelahan was in worse shape in 1998.
:)

I see the philly scum are looting, turning over cars and doing what you expect from a gaggle of low lifes! Their team were magnificent and they, some of the fans have to act the hard men and wreck property and behave in anti social behaviour, durt!

I don't understand that. It's happened in other cities too in the past. What's the rationale? We won, so we'll wreck our own city? Ahem, Boston features.

http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/here-are-five-american-cities-which-rioted-after-sporting-success-and-defeat-7289493/)

I know it does, I think they did it twice, the Bruins Stanley Cup win and the World Series the Sox won in 13, the Canadians have been at it as well and of course you have LA (the worlds worst sports fans) and Detroit, the Armpit of America, all that do this sort of shit are scumbags, Philly has fanatical support but they have a large element of the dregs, larger than anywhere else it seems, but any fans that do this shit should be fined, jailed and banned for life and if caught rioting again should get serious time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 06, 2018, 06:16:04 PM
So far - more people have been arrested in New England than Philadelphia for Post-Superbowl rioting

https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2018/2/6/16979330/super-bowl-arrests-new-england-philadelphia
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 06, 2018, 06:20:12 PM
You should know well enough by now that facts have no effect on Stew, Gabriel.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2018, 01:00:51 AM
McDaniels staying in NE  :o

Was supposed to be unveiled by the Colts tomorrow

Got to think he's been promised the job after the hoodie retires
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on February 07, 2018, 01:58:48 AM
I see on twitter Adam Schefter saying a source told him its Kraft sticking it to the Colts due to the deflate gate! I guess he's still in bad form since Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 07, 2018, 03:16:58 AM
McDaniels was calling up assistant coaches offering them Colts jobs this morning. This stinks to high heavens, whatever about concerns about Luck they certainly didn't change any in the last six hours.

That source about deflate-gate was a league source, not a Patriots sources, by the way. So no insider knowledge.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2018, 08:22:36 AM
Quote from: Syferus on February 07, 2018, 03:16:58 AM
McDaniels was calling up assistant coaches offering them Colts jobs this morning. This stinks to high heavens, whatever about concerns about Luck they certainly didn't change any in the last six hours.

That source about deflate-gate was a league source, not a Patriots sources, by the way. So no insider knowledge.

It's a kick in the stones for the Colts. Talk about being late out of the gates. The Combine is in a few weeks. McDaniels must have been promised the Pats job alright, and it must be in the relatively short term. Those assistant coaches must be rightly pissed off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 07, 2018, 10:07:37 AM
Pretty shitty carry on by McDaniels. He's staying in the right place so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 07, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Brady not congratulating Foles and running into the locker room as well. Stay classy Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
Compare that to how Cam got treated when he did the same

Saint Tom  ::)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 07, 2018, 03:08:39 PM
I wonder did he get Patriot of the week this week ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 07, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
National Signing Day for high school football players. Many had signed already, but Georgia is mopping up today, flipping players who had committed to Bama.  Georgia will probably end up #1 today, with Ohio State likely #2.  Right now, Texas is ranked 3, Alabama 4.  Buckeyes doing v well.  Coach Schiano is staying at OSU instead of heading to the Patriots as was thought.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 07, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
Compare that to how Cam got treated when he did the same

Saint Tom  ::)
tom has won some and played really well on Sunday so he gets a bit of a pass ,cam didn't play well in that Super Bowl and I remember him not diving on loose ball for fear of injury which a lot of people didn't like , must also be said Brady's attempts at running and catching were pathetic on Sunday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 07, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 07, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
Compare that to how Cam got treated when he did the same

Saint Tom  ::)
tom has won some and played really well on Sunday so he gets a bit of a pass ,cam didn't play well in that Super Bowl and I remember him not diving on loose ball for fear of injury which a lot of people didn't like , must also be said Brady's attempts at running and catching were pathetic on Sunday

Fear of injury, Cam Newton, the guy who runs at linebackers like a RB and nearly always lowers the shoulder rather than baseball sides? Right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 07, 2018, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 07, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 07, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
Compare that to how Cam got treated when he did the same

Saint Tom  ::)
tom has won some and played really well on Sunday so he gets a bit of a pass ,cam didn't play well in that Super Bowl and I remember him not diving on loose ball for fear of injury which a lot of people didn't like , must also be said Brady's attempts at running and catching were pathetic on Sunday

Fear of injury, Cam Newton, the guy who runs at linebackers like a RB and nearly always lowers the shoulder rather than baseball sides? Right.

Which makes his lack of effort on that play all the more unforgivable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 07, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 07, 2018, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 07, 2018, 09:12:48 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 07, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 07, 2018, 03:03:32 PM
Compare that to how Cam got treated when he did the same

Saint Tom  ::)
tom has won some and played really well on Sunday so he gets a bit of a pass ,cam didn't play well in that Super Bowl and I remember him not diving on loose ball for fear of injury which a lot of people didn't like , must also be said Brady's attempts at running and catching were pathetic on Sunday

Fear of injury, Cam Newton, the guy who runs at linebackers like a RB and nearly always lowers the shoulder rather than baseball sides? Right.

Which makes his lack of effort on that play all the more unforgivable.
i was talking about that particular game and that particular play ,he was rattled in that Super Bowl and was seeing von miller before the ball was being snapped , cams line from that day 18-41 with 46 rushing yards ranks 40th best QB performance in Super Bowl history, tommy and Kurt have it to themselves at the top
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 07, 2018, 10:52:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 06, 2018, 06:20:12 PM
You should know well enough by now that facts have no effect on Stew, Gabriel.

Anyone rioting after a sporting event should get hammered no matter the city, and what would you know about facts syferus?

Philly is the most obnoxious set of supporters in the United States, always have been, always will be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on February 08, 2018, 01:54:28 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 07, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
Brady not congratulating Foles and running into the locker room as well. Stay classy Patriots.

Yeah that did not sit well with me either, man up Tom, I am sure he saw him backstage as it were but that was classless and would be beneath any other all time great QB, it reeks of arrogance and I can see why people would hate on the pats with the face of the organiztion and the league not having the moral fibre to man up and say well done to a peer in public. Damn that was a bad look.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Serious number of trades in the NBA today before the deadline. Wade, Rose, Thomas all gone from Cleveland.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 08, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Serious number of trades in the NBA today before the deadline. Wade, Rose, Thomas all gone from Cleveland.

Are they folding up the tents? I heard they lost 13 of their last 17 or something mad like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 08, 2018, 07:05:13 PM
Lots of news today

QuoteThe 49ers and QB Jimmy Garoppolo have agreed to a five-year, $137.5 million contract, source says. The biggest deal in NFL history on a average-per-year basis.

All over the place in the NBA - all change in Cleveland

QuoteLakers sending Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance to the Cavaliers, Cleveland is sending Isaiah Thomas and Channing Frye and a protected 2018 1st round pick  to the Lakers

QuoteMemphis has traded James Ennis to Detroit for Brice Johnson and a second-round pick

QuoteUtah has traded Rodney Hood to Cleveland. Utah will also send Joe Johnson to Sacramento, and Cleveland will send Jae Crowder and Derek Rose to Utah,. Sacramento sends George Hill to the Cavs.

QuoteCleveland sends Iman Shumpert to Kings in deal. Cleveland is trading Dwyane Wade to Miami for a protected 2nd round pick. Cleveland sends 2020 second-round pick via Miami to Sacramento.

QuoteDenver is trading Emmanuel Mudiay to New York
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Serious number of trades in the NBA today before the deadline. Wade, Rose, Thomas all gone from Cleveland.

Are they folding up the tents? I heard they lost 13 of their last 17 or something mad like that.

They've been shite recently but had an epic win last night where LeBron blocked a shot and made the game winner in the final 1.5 seconds.

They're trying to fix things and get one more shot at winning now but I'm not sure today's moves do that for them. They'll struggle to win the East at this stage.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 09:19:41 PM
Cavs luxury tax bill next year going to be the region of 100m  :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on February 08, 2018, 09:24:40 PM
What were the Cavs thinking with Kyrie Irving, free fall since that imo
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 08, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
Some sources say that if he hadn't been traded, Irving would simply have sat out the season, feigning a leg injury. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 10:03:54 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 08, 2018, 09:24:40 PM
What were the Cavs thinking with Kyrie Irving, free fall since that imo

They were fine up to Christmas. Irving wanted out, not much teams can do with a superstar with that mindset these days.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 08, 2018, 10:08:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 10:03:54 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on February 08, 2018, 09:24:40 PM
What were the Cavs thinking with Kyrie Irving, free fall since that imo

They were fine up to Christmas. Irving wanted out, not much teams can do with a superstar with that mindset these days.

They could have said we're letting Lebron go after the season and building around you to try and keep him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on February 09, 2018, 06:47:37 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on February 08, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
Some sources say that if he hadn't been traded, Irving would simply have sat out the season, feigning a leg injury.

Yip heard numerous reports that he said he would've got knee surgery (thus taking him out for the year) if he wasn't traded.

Warriors going through a mini funk at the minute as well so things getting a little more interesting. OKC seem to have their number at the min but remains to be seen if they could do it in 7 because of their depth. Rockets are the obvious choice for their main contender.

Actually think the warriors can't seem to deal with athleticism like Westbrook, George, The Greek etc when they turn it on. Green and maybe West the only players with a bit of dort about them. They actually miss Jordan Bell.

Be interesting to see who the Lakers are lining up for the 2 max contract slots they have opened up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 09, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Serious number of trades in the NBA today before the deadline. Wade, Rose, Thomas all gone from Cleveland.

Are they folding up the tents? I heard they lost 13 of their last 17 or something mad like that.

They've been shite recently but had an epic win last night where LeBron blocked a shot and made the game winner in the final 1.5 seconds.

They're trying to fix things and get one more shot at winning now but I'm not sure today's moves do that for them. They'll struggle to win the East at this stage.

In overtime after he had missed the chance top win it in normal time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 09, 2018, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 09, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Serious number of trades in the NBA today before the deadline. Wade, Rose, Thomas all gone from Cleveland.

Are they folding up the tents? I heard they lost 13 of their last 17 or something mad like that.

They've been shite recently but had an epic win last night where LeBron blocked a shot and made the game winner in the final 1.5 seconds.

They're trying to fix things and get one more shot at winning now but I'm not sure today's moves do that for them. They'll struggle to win the East at this stage.

In overtime after he had missed the chance top win it in normal time.
Jonny Sextonesque
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 09, 2018, 09:32:16 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 09, 2018, 09:29:28 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 09, 2018, 09:26:17 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 08, 2018, 07:02:56 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
Serious number of trades in the NBA today before the deadline. Wade, Rose, Thomas all gone from Cleveland.

Are they folding up the tents? I heard they lost 13 of their last 17 or something mad like that.

They've been shite recently but had an epic win last night where LeBron blocked a shot and made the game winner in the final 1.5 seconds.

They're trying to fix things and get one more shot at winning now but I'm not sure today's moves do that for them. They'll struggle to win the East at this stage.

In overtime after he had missed the chance top win it in normal time.
Jonny Sextonesque

Indeed but the hoopla surrounding LeBron, super player and all the he is, annoys me. I don't think he deserves it all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 11:02:41 AM
One of the most ridiculous statements you've ever come out with Seanie.

If you look at MVP voting, LeBron gets seriously UNDERRATED precisely because he's that good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 09, 2018, 11:33:10 AM
Great player, seems like a total dick though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 09, 2018, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 11:02:41 AM
One of the most ridiculous statements you've ever come out with Seanie.

If you look at MVP voting, LeBron gets seriously UNDERRATED precisely because he's that good.

What are you talking about? Do you think he should be MVP this season? Maybe he'll win it next season if he joins GSW so he can win another championship.

The above was an opinion, not a statement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 01:24:33 PM
This year? At this point, no. There were several years when he should have won it and wasn't given it - Rose, Durant etc.

He's the only player who has come within an ass's roar of touching Jordan's greatness and you don't buy the "hoopla" surrounding. It's your opinion, yes. It's also complete bollocks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
I've seen it all now hahahaha
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 09, 2018, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 01:24:33 PM
This year? At this point, no. There were several years when he should have won it and wasn't given it - Rose, Durant etc.

He's the only player who has come within an ass's roar of touching Jordan's greatness and you don't buy the "hoopla" surrounding. It's your opinion, yes. It's also complete bollocks.

The minimum you'd expect when you're having an argument, or being attacked by someone, is that they'd actually read your words. I said I didn't like the hoopla surrounding LeBron. Comparisons with Jordan? Give me a break.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Comparisons with Jordan perfectly valid. Like I said, as brilliant as he is, because he's that good and a bit of a p***k, he actually gets underrated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 09, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
Lebron is a way more talented player than Jordan, physically he is a total freak of nature. As an all-round player it's a much murkier discussion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 09, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 09, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
Lebron is a way more talented player than Jordan, physically he is a total freak of nature. As an all-round player it's a much murkier discussion.

Name something that Lebron can do that MJ couldn't? Is Lebron indefinitely even better than Kobe?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2018, 05:52:16 PM
Not get suspended for betting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 09, 2018, 06:11:09 PM
Must have missed the NBA banning him for gambling.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2018, 06:21:42 PM
(http://www.lineupforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/michael-jordan-baseball-stats-02.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on February 09, 2018, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2018, 06:21:42 PM
(http://www.lineupforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/michael-jordan-baseball-stats-02.jpg)

Hearsat Gabriel...pure hearsay...No denying Lebron being a mercenary though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2018, 07:46:39 PM
I didn't say he wasn't - there aren't many professional athletes who aren't mercenaries though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 07:59:22 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 09, 2018, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 09, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
Lebron is a way more talented player than Jordan, physically he is a total freak of nature. As an all-round player it's a much murkier discussion.

Name something that Lebron can do that MJ couldn't? Is Lebron indefinitely even better than Kobe?

There's nothing MJ could do that LeBron can't. Same goes in reverse. It's about what one could do better then the other.

Yes, he was definitely better than Kobe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on February 09, 2018, 08:04:40 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on February 09, 2018, 07:43:04 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 09, 2018, 06:21:42 PM
(http://www.lineupforms.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/michael-jordan-baseball-stats-02.jpg)

Hearsat Gabriel...pure hearsay...No denying Lebron being a mercenary though

A mercenary who went home and won his hometown team their first championship..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 09, 2018, 08:05:56 PM
Mercenary who took pay cuts to make sure teams could build around him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 09, 2018, 08:32:37 PM
You can't compare them, basketball bears no comparison now to when Jordan played, much tougher scoring then, a lot more contact. Remember the Pistons & Knicks of the early 90s?

Jordan also won DPOY I think

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 10, 2018, 10:57:50 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 09, 2018, 08:32:37 PM
You can't compare them, basketball bears no comparison now to when Jordan played, much tougher scoring then, a lot more contact. Remember the Pistons & Knicks of the early 90s?

Jordan also won DPOY I think

Exactly. Guys actually played defence when Jordan played
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 11, 2018, 11:11:07 PM
New look Cavs putting an absolute beating on the Celtics in Boston to spoil Paul Pierce's jersey retirement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 05, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
http://amp.si.com/college-football/2017/11/16/shaquem-griffin-hand-ucf-nfl-draft

Pretty cool and inspiring story about Seahawks rookie CB Shaquill Griffin's brother, Shaquem. Hand his left hand amputated as a kid but was DPOY in the AAC last year and could well be in his way to the NFL

Lighting up the combine and a cert to get drafted. Great story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 05, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 05, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
http://amp.si.com/college-football/2017/11/16/shaquem-griffin-hand-ucf-nfl-draft

Pretty cool and inspiring story about Seahawks rookie CB Shaquill Griffin's brother, Shaquem. Hand his left hand amputated as a kid but was DPOY in the AAC last year and could well be in his way to the NFL

Lighting up the combine and a cert to get drafted. Great story.

Absolutely amazing. Fair play to the lad.....some story. 4.38 speed at that size. Mental.

Saquon Barkley had some combine too. Outrageous athlete. I wonder are Cleveland still feeling burnt by the Trent Richardson experience or do they take this guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 05, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 05, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 05, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
http://amp.si.com/college-football/2017/11/16/shaquem-griffin-hand-ucf-nfl-draft

Pretty cool and inspiring story about Seahawks rookie CB Shaquill Griffin's brother, Shaquem. Hand his left hand amputated as a kid but was DPOY in the AAC last year and could well be in his way to the NFL

Lighting up the combine and a cert to get drafted. Great story.

Absolutely amazing. Fair play to the lad.....some story. 4.38 speed at that size. Mental.

Saquon Barkley had some combine too. Outrageous athlete. I wonder are Cleveland still feeling burnt by the Trent Richardson experience or do they take this guy.

I haven't seen Saquon Barkley play so this isn't a well informed opinion but i'd be amazed if the Browns (or anyone else for that matter) took a RB first overall. Serviceable running backs are two a penny in the later rounds of the draft. I think the Browns have passed on one too many QBs in recent years to not take a QB with the first pick. Unless of course they land Cousins in which case they might trade down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 05, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 05, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 05, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 05, 2018, 01:31:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
http://amp.si.com/college-football/2017/11/16/shaquem-griffin-hand-ucf-nfl-draft

Pretty cool and inspiring story about Seahawks rookie CB Shaquill Griffin's brother, Shaquem. Hand his left hand amputated as a kid but was DPOY in the AAC last year and could well be in his way to the NFL

Lighting up the combine and a cert to get drafted. Great story.

Absolutely amazing. Fair play to the lad.....some story. 4.38 speed at that size. Mental.

Saquon Barkley had some combine too. Outrageous athlete. I wonder are Cleveland still feeling burnt by the Trent Richardson experience or do they take this guy.

I haven't seen Saquon Barkley play so this isn't a well informed opinion but i'd be amazed if the Browns (or anyone else for that matter) took a RB first overall. Serviceable running backs are two a penny in the later rounds of the draft. I think the Browns have passed on one too many QBs in recent years to not take a QB with the first pick. Unless of course they land Cousins in which case they might trade down.

Jacksonville rode Fourentte all the way from being a joke franchise to the second test team in the AFC last year. All with the black hole that was Blake Bortles at QB too.

Generational RBs are worth a high pick. Cleveland can grab a QB and RB in the first and be set at two key positions for years to come and having both complimenting each other. With the success Prescott and Elliott have had I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 05, 2018, 04:47:10 PM
I think that's it. They have first and fourth right? They can pick Barkley first and still get a good QB at 4. But they'll need someone to bridge until the Rookie is ready at QB unless they want to fire him in. Maybe Kizer can do a holding job.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 05, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
I think it is probably more accurate to say Jacksonville rode their defense to the championship game. Fournette had a good season though arguably 2 later round picks (Kamara and Hunt) had better seasons. I don't think Fournette was worth the 4th overall pick.

Having so much draft capital and needs at nearly every position does give the Browns the option of going with the 'best player available' approach though. I just think the upgrade an elite RB gives you over a serviceable back is not as great or as transformative as as the upgrade you get with other positions - QB being the obvious one, but also edge rusher, left tackle, inside rusher, CB and even WR. The running back position is relatively less valuable than each of these positions in the NFL imo.

May be some evaluators think Barkley is a Walter Payton or Barry Sanders level talent, in which case he might go 1st overall. I suspect they'll either take a QB first or trade out of their with someone looking a QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 05, 2018, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 05, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
I think it is probably more accurate to say Jacksonville rode their defense to the championship game. Fournette had a good season though arguably 2 later round picks (Kamara and Hunt) had better seasons. I don't think Fournette was worth the 4th overall pick.

Having so much draft capital and needs at nearly every position does give the Browns the option of going with the 'best player available' approach though. I just think the upgrade an elite RB gives you over a serviceable back is not as great or as transformative as as the upgrade you get with other positions - QB being the obvious one, but also edge rusher, left tackle, inside rusher, CB and even WR. The running back position is relatively less valuable than each of these positions in the NFL imo.

May be some evaluators think Barkley is a Walter Payton or Barry Sanders level talent, in which case he might go 1st overall. I suspect they'll either take a QB first or trade out of their with someone looking a QB.

The time Fournette ate up rested the defense. Continual 3 and outs on offence will destroy even the best defense in history.

It's no coincidence that most of that defence was in place in 2016 but it wasn't until Fournette got the running game going and upped their time of possession that things really clicked on defense. Kamara and Hunt would have been destroyed by Fournette's workload last season. Very different types of players. It's also a hell of a lot easier to run when you've Drew Brees and Mark Ingram around you..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 05, 2018, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 05, 2018, 06:50:04 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 05, 2018, 06:44:33 PM
I think it is probably more accurate to say Jacksonville rode their defense to the championship game. Fournette had a good season though arguably 2 later round picks (Kamara and Hunt) had better seasons. I don't think Fournette was worth the 4th overall pick.

Having so much draft capital and needs at nearly every position does give the Browns the option of going with the 'best player available' approach though. I just think the upgrade an elite RB gives you over a serviceable back is not as great or as transformative as as the upgrade you get with other positions - QB being the obvious one, but also edge rusher, left tackle, inside rusher, CB and even WR. The running back position is relatively less valuable than each of these positions in the NFL imo.

May be some evaluators think Barkley is a Walter Payton or Barry Sanders level talent, in which case he might go 1st overall. I suspect they'll either take a QB first or trade out of their with someone looking a QB.

The time Fournette ate up rested the defense. Continual 3 and outs on offence will destroy even the best defense in history.

It's no coincidence that most of that defence was in place in 2016 but it wasn't until Fournette got the running game going and upped their time of possession that things really clicked on defense. Kamara and Hunt would have been destroyed by Fournette's workload last season. Very different types of players. It's also a hell of a lot easier to run when you've Drew Brees and Mark Ingram around you..

The jags were 18th in plays per drive last season. Up from 20th in plays per drive the season before. Not much evidence of the offense taking the weight of the defense with the addition of Fournette there.
Hunt had more carries than Fournette and gained a whole yard per carry more than him. He also had more receptions.

Fournette is a good player and contributed to the Jags success this year no doubt. Its a bit silly though to imply that he turned their defense into the league leader.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 10, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
Browns taking abc early dog at free agency, traded for Travis Taylor, Jarvis Landry & Randall from GB. All three should immediately improve them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 10, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Pleased with the Browns' moves.  Tyrod Taylor is a much better bridge QB than other options (e.g. McCarron). He's used to playing in bitter Lake Erie winter weather. All I want now is for the move to persuade LT Joe Thomas to stay for another year to block for him.  Happy too that with all the trades the Browns still managed to keep their 1st and 2nd round draft picks, I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 10, 2018, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on March 10, 2018, 05:39:40 PM
Pleased with the Browns' moves.  Tyrod Taylor is a much better bridge QB than other options (e.g. McCarron). He's used to playing in bitter Lake Erie winter weather. All I want now is for the move to persuade LT Joe Thomas to stay for another year to block for him.  Happy too that with all the trades the Browns still managed to keep their 1st and 2nd round draft picks, I believe.

Yeah 65th pick for Taylor I think, top of the third round. Shelton away to the Pats by the look of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 11, 2018, 01:21:38 AM
Richard Sherman signs with the 49ers on a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stew on March 11, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 11, 2018, 01:21:38 AM
Richard Sherman signs with the 49ers on a 3 year deal.

Some player but past his best. Salary cap implications for the 9ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 11, 2018, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: stew on March 11, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 11, 2018, 01:21:38 AM
Richard Sherman signs with the 49ers on a 3 year deal.

Some player but past his best. Salary cap implications for the 9ers.

Dunno can't imagine there are huge guarantees for a player that is 30 coming off a torn Achilles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 11, 2018, 11:49:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 11, 2018, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: stew on March 11, 2018, 08:59:47 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 11, 2018, 01:21:38 AM
Richard Sherman signs with the 49ers on a 3 year deal.

Some player but past his best. Salary cap implications for the 9ers.

Dunno can't imagine there are huge guarantees for a player that is 30 coming off a torn Achilles

Great signing if he stays fit. A lot of die hard faithful furious. Niners had a ton of cap to play with this off season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 11, 2018, 11:58:51 PM
I love what the Browns are doing. Sherman a great pickup for the 49ers and a contract where Sherman is backing himself makes sense. Word is that he's recovering well and will be ready for training camp no problem. He's getting on but still and incredible player. Russell Wilson will now have to deal with him twice a season. Seattle are really in full rebuild mode.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on March 12, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 11, 2018, 11:58:51 PM
I love what the Browns are doing. Sherman a great pickup for the 49ers and a contract where Sherman is backing himself makes sense. Word is that he's recovering well and will be ready for training camp no problem. He's getting on but still and incredible player. Russell Wilson will now have to deal with him twice a season. Seattle are really in full rebuild mode.

The Browns trading is brilliant, whatever way it goes. They have messed up the draft so many times they may as well try and take advantage of their picks, salary cap space (and other teams lack of) to make a big statement. Apparently they have left other teams plans in a mess.

Looking forward to seeing how this pans out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 13, 2018, 04:29:34 PM
Cousins confirmed to the Vikings. 3 years, $86m. Fully guaranteed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 13, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
That's a lot of money.

Delighted about Allen Robinson to da Bears.

Watkins to KC and Keenum to the Broncos also good moves for those teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 13, 2018, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 13, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
That's a lot of money.

Delighted about Allen Robinson to da Bears.

Watkins to KC and Keenum to the Broncos also good moves for those teams.

Will be dwarfed by Rodgers new deal this summer I would say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 13, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 13, 2018, 05:19:37 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on March 13, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
That's a lot of money.

Delighted about Allen Robinson to da Bears.

Watkins to KC and Keenum to the Broncos also good moves for those teams.

Will be dwarfed by Rodgers new deal this summer I would say

Rightly so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 13, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Sam Bradford to the Cards

Whadyyya think of that AZ Offaly ? (In Kieran Donaghy voice)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 13, 2018, 06:28:20 PM
All things considered, Cousins has played his cards very well. With a fully guaranteed contract and two franchise tags banked he'll have made almost $130 million by the time his next contract negotiations come around (at age 32!).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
The Redskins are total tits, though. They could have him locked in at 18 million a year for five seasons if they had any forethought.

Less than Cousins playing a blinder, his hand was being forced by unacceptable offers from his employers.

Quote from: Minder on March 13, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Sam Bradford to the Cards

Whadyyya think of that AZ Offaly ? (In Kieran Donaghy voice)

Trading one talented injury magnet for another.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 13, 2018, 06:35:20 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 13, 2018, 06:28:20 PM
All things considered, Cousins has played his cards very well. With a fully guaranteed contract and two franchise tags banked he'll have made almost $130 million by the time his next contract negotiations come around (at age 32!).

He has and I have no idea why the Skins didn't show more faith in him, they gave him a "prove it" franchise tag, he proved it and they still weren't interested in signing him long term
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 13, 2018, 07:43:25 PM
QB dominoes starting to fall - Teddy Bridgewater to the Jets

Danny Amendols to the Dolphins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 07:47:24 PM
I'm just curious why the Redskins chose not to make him long-term? Is there some intangible they reckon he doesn't have? I think he's missing that x-factor which is why the Redskins let go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 07:49:14 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 07:47:24 PM
I'm just curious why the Redskins chose not to make him long-term? Is there some intangible they reckon he doesn't have? I think he's missing that x-factor which is why the Redskins let go.

Your assumption that the Redskins are a well enough run organisation that they would need a good reason is amusing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
Your constant know-it-allery is amusing before it becomes annoying when you become an authority on every topic imaginable in the world.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
Your constant know-it-allery is amusing before it becomes annoying when you become an authority on every topic imaginable in the world.

Don't ask silly questions if you can't handle the answers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 13, 2018, 09:03:30 PM
Jimmy Graham to the Packers, who have cut Jordy Nelson. Pats would seem a sensible landing spot for Nelson with Amendola gone.

Bradford in the desert confirmed for one year, 20m.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
Your constant know-it-allery is amusing before it becomes annoying when you become an authority on every topic imaginable in the world.

Don't ask silly questions if you can't handle the answers.

I'm just wondering how a self-confessed Rossie (computer whizz I think) is so clued in to the ineptitude of a SuperBowl winning franchise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 09:43:40 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 08:56:23 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
Your constant know-it-allery is amusing before it becomes annoying when you become an authority on every topic imaginable in the world.

Don't ask silly questions if you can't handle the answers.

I'm just wondering how a self-confessed Rossie (computer whizz I think) is so clued in to the ineptitude of a SuperBowl winning franchise.

I've followed college and pro ball for a decade. If you don't know how inept the Redskins are under Snyder you have not been paying attention.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 10:06:29 PM
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 10:06:29 PM
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

He got the first major fully guaranteed contract in NFL history and will be the highest paid player in the NFL, pending any other deals coming up. If you think this is 'only' a three year deal you've seriously missed the point. He's changed the game for top level QB contracts. SF were never going to be in the Cousins race once they stole JG from the Patriots either.

Cousins is the envy of every past and present NFL player today. He's got an NBA-style contract and will be in for another massive payday at age 32.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 10:06:29 PM
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

He got the first major fully guaranteed contract in NFL history and will be the highest paid player in the NFL, pending any other deals coming up. If you think this is 'only' a three year deal you've seriously missed the point. He's changed the game for top level QB contracts. SF were never going to be in the Cousins race once they stole JG from the Patriots either.

Cousins is the envy of every past and present NFL player today. He's got an NBA-style contract and will be in for another massive payday at age 32.

A-Rodg contract is going to dwarf this. I'm just saying its hardly locking up Cousins for the forseeable future. After 3 years, he's cut if he doesn't perform satisfactorily? At 32, he'll be in his QB prime, but the Vikings didn't want to lock him down for any longer? Why so? Because they too have doubts. Kudos for his guaranteed money, but he was hardly gonna be on the bread line before today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 10:31:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on March 13, 2018, 10:06:29 PM
I've followed it as well Syf and I agree with the Redskins assertion about Cousins. He's also only got a 3 year deal from the Vikings. Denver also have passed up on him, along with the 49ers. So it would appear that there are as many people who agree with Snyder as disagree with him.

He got the first major fully guaranteed contract in NFL history and will be the highest paid player in the NFL, pending any other deals coming up. If you think this is 'only' a three year deal you've seriously missed the point. He's changed the game for top level QB contracts. SF were never going to be in the Cousins race once they stole JG from the Patriots either.

Cousins is the envy of every past and present NFL player today. He's got an NBA-style contract and will be in for another massive payday at age 32.

A-Rodg contract is going to dwarf this. I'm just saying its hardly locking up Cousins for the forseeable future. After 3 years, he's cut if he doesn't perform satisfactorily? At 32, he'll be in his QB prime, but the Vikings didn't want to lock him down for any longer? Why so? Because they too have doubts. Kudos for his guaranteed money, but he was hardly gonna be on the bread line before today.

Cousins could have got a five year deal with inflated figures elsewhere, probably off the Vikings too if that's what he actually wanted - he had teams over a barrel this off-season if they wanted his services. He instead got a deal where his money is his no matter what happens. He can blow his knee out on the first play and he's still getting his 84 million. And if he's healthy in three years he's got another massive contract on his radar, with three years for the salary cap to inch further upwards and increase his market value.

Much better for him overall, and you only need to look at Twitter for the way other players are reacting as to how meaningful a moment this is for NFL contracts and indeed the upcoming CBA. You've kept digging here but it's clear you've missed how much of a watershed moment this contract is.

Redskins made a massive mistake after the first tag, and Cousins will now play at least five years in a row with his contract fully insured.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2018, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 13, 2018, 06:35:01 PM
The Redskins are total tits, though. They could have him locked in at 18 million a year for five seasons if they had any forethought.

Less than Cousins playing a blinder, his hand was being forced by unacceptable offers from his employers.

Quote from: Minder on March 13, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
Sam Bradford to the Cards

Whadyyya think of that AZ Offaly ? (In Kieran Donaghy voice)

Trading one talented injury magnet for another.

re Sam Bradford,  I agree with Syf. I liked him coming out of Oklahoma, but he's not the most mobile now, especially after injuries, and that Offensive Line wouldn't inspire confidence. *IF* they can keep him upright for the season, he'll be fine, and a good bridge. But they now need to draft very well, and they have to go QB in the first round I think. Don't be surprised if they trade up, and try to get one of the 4 'studs'. I just hope they don't end up with josh Allen. A Canon, and absolute canon, for an arm, but not at NFL accuracy at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
Syferus you might be jumping the gun on Cousins being "fully guaranteed". Your man Andrew Brandt on Twitter, an ex- Green Bay executive and a very good follow on contracts and the business end of NFL reckons teams always have contingencies built in to contracts and as regards Cousins being fully guaranteed he tweeted "we will see".
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2018, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
Syferus you might be jumping the gun on Cousins being "fully guaranteed". Your man Andrew Brandt on Twitter, an ex- Green Bay executive and a very good follow on contracts and the business end of NFL reckons teams always have contingencies built in to contracts and as regards Cousins being fully guaranteed he tweeted "we will see".

Either way Minder, it's significantly different to the announcement of other contracts. Generally speaking the contracts are announced as '3 year 75 million dollars, with 30 million guaranteed.' The back end is loaded and unless the player is really producing, they trade or cut them and the player never sees the remaining 45.

This case seems to be different. I've never known that word to be used and the money not to be guaranteed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 14, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2018, 01:03:46 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 14, 2018, 12:50:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
Syferus you might be jumping the gun on Cousins being "fully guaranteed". Your man Andrew Brandt on Twitter, an ex- Green Bay executive and a very good follow on contracts and the business end of NFL reckons teams always have contingencies built in to contracts and as regards Cousins being fully guaranteed he tweeted "we will see".

Either way Minder, it's significantly different to the announcement of other contracts. Generally speaking the contracts are announced as '3 year 75 million dollars, with 30 million guaranteed.' The back end is loaded and unless the player is really producing, they trade or cut them and the player never sees the remaining 45.

This case seems to be different. I've never known that word to be used and the money not to be guaranteed.

Yeah it stuck out for me too, usually you ignore the first number and look at the guaranteed number. Will be interesting to see the finer detail on it. Probably making a few owners and front offices a bit nervous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on March 14, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 14, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I guess this means they're going with a QB at no1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 14, 2018, 06:01:22 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 14, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I think Carlos Hyde is an excellent player. The Browns are killing the offseason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 14, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 14, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 14, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I guess this means they're going with a QB at no1.

I don't see how Hyde effects that either way, Barkley will be there at 4 but their #1 QB may not be. He was always likely to be their top pick. Wouldn't discount Barkley being picked fourth even now. You need a good rotation at RB and if you have Hyde it would allow you to get the best from a player like Barkley.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 14, 2018, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2018, 06:06:22 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 14, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
Quote from: Clov on March 14, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
Carlos Hyde to the Browns.
Hard to evaluate Hyde - very highly rated out of college and although he looked good at times and played behind some awful o-lines he also tended to rack up a lot of his yardage in 'garbage time' (I know there was a lot of that in SF the past few years!).

I guess this means they're going with a QB at no1.

I don't see how Hyde effects that either way, Barkley will be there at 4 but their #1 May not be. He was always likely to be their top pick. Wouldn't discount Barkley being picked fourth even now. You need a good rotation at RB and if you have Hyde it would allow you to get the best from a player like Barkley.

Agree. I don't think this changes much. That said I wouldn't be surprised if they go Barkley at 1 especially if they aren't completely in love with one of the top 4 over another.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Joe Thomas retires, one of the best
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 14, 2018, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Joe Thomas retires, one of the best

And just when Cleveland might actually turn a corner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 14, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2018, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Joe Thomas retires, one of the best

And just when Cleveland might actually turn a corner.

Said his body couldn't do it anymore, I suppose he values his health above a possible 5-11 season. Seems like a very bright guy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 14, 2018, 08:16:02 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on March 14, 2018, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 14, 2018, 08:09:58 PM
Joe Thomas retires, one of the best

And just when Cleveland might actually turn a corner.

Said his body couldn't do it anymore, I suppose he values his health above a possible 5-11 season. Seems like a very bright guy

He has a podcast on the go for a few years. Will be picked up by Fox/CBS/ESPN.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 17, 2018, 03:39:41 AM
UMBC. Holy cow!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 17, 2018, 03:51:26 AM
Biggest upset in college sports in the US. And it wasn't even close. They blew out the top ranked team in the country
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 17, 2018, 06:55:36 AM
Jesus Christ. So hard to explain the extent of just how big a shock that is. I'd imagine a fraction of a percent of brackets picked them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 17, 2018, 08:08:47 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 17, 2018, 06:55:36 AM
Jesus Christ. So hard to explain the extent of just how big a shock that is. I'd imagine a fraction of a percent of brackets picked them.

I picked them in one 😀 I did the first 2 rounds based on relative proximity to Ireland 😀 buffalo beating Arizona as well 😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 17, 2018, 11:17:49 PM
With Jets trading up to #3, Browns can take their QB of choice & Barkley if they want
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on March 17, 2018, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 17, 2018, 11:17:49 PM
With Jets trading up to #3 Browns can take their QB of choice & Barkley if they want

I'm sure they'll be open to shopping #4 if someone is in love with Mayfield or some random DE too if they're not all in on the Barkley hype train. But him and Hyde would be some safety blanket for the rookie QB as both can catch short range passes pretty well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 18, 2018, 12:08:02 AM
Quote from: Syferus on March 17, 2018, 11:19:34 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 17, 2018, 11:17:49 PM
With Jets trading up to #3 Browns can take their QB of choice & Barkley if they want

I'm sure they'll be open to shopping #4 if someone is in love with Mayfield or some random DE too if they're not all in on the Barkley hype train. But him and Hyde would be some safety blanket for the rookie QB as both can catch short range passes pretty well.

Yeah Barkleys receiving ability makes him a great match up, lining up as a receiver, out of the backfield etc.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on March 19, 2018, 12:29:08 AM
#7 Nevada battle back from down 22 to #2 Cincinnati to win 75-73 and into the sweet 16 for the second time in school history! Excellent stuff!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 25, 2018, 12:26:44 AM
Ramble On!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on March 25, 2018, 04:16:29 AM
Boom Michigan final four, this March madness is crazy awesome
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 25, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
Duke-Kansas tonight is the big one.

Curry got injured by JaVale McGee the other night in his first game back after a couple of weeks out having rolled his ankle. MCL sprain in his knee this time and is in sight for the start of the playoffs. KD, Thompson and Green all also out injured at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on March 25, 2018, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 25, 2018, 10:30:43 AM
Duke-Kansas tonight is the big one.

Curry got injured by JaVale McGee the other night in his first game back after a couple of weeks out having rolled his ankle. MCL sprain in his knee this time and is in sight for the start of the playoffs. KD, Thompson and Green all also out injured at the minute.

Curry's injury was so unlucky. Hopefully will be back for the playoffs. 2nd place tied up and 1st basically out of reach so no need to rush anyone back. On paper 2nd might be better as it would probably mean playing Portland over OKC.

On injury's Green should be back tonight, KD week and Klay next wkd. The rest they've got the last week or two will hopefully stand them in good stead for the playoff run. If they get there, Houston will be a massive series and all the allstars will have to be on it especially Curry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on March 25, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Only been paying a passing interest in the NBA this year, I take it nobody in the East will be fit for presumably GSW/Houston in the Finals ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on March 25, 2018, 11:00:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 25, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Only been paying a passing interest in the NBA this year, I take it nobody in the East will be fit for presumably GSW/Houston in the Finals ?

Cav's are prob the biggest threat just cause of LeBron. They've been pretty awful this year though. Boston were the early pace setters but have cooled lately and last i heard Kyrie was having minor surgery. Raptors are top seeds but just don't see them doing any major damage in the play offs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 29, 2018, 05:50:02 PM
Opening Day in MLB - love it

First pitch of the season - Cubs homer vs Miami  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on March 29, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 29, 2018, 05:50:02 PM
Opening Day in MLB - love it

First pitch of the season - Cubs homer vs Miami  ;D ;D ;D

It's all about the Judge and Giancarlo this year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 30, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
No kidding - Stanton could hit 80 homers this year  :o :o :o :o



This was pretty cool last night - Blackhawks lost both of their goalies to injury just before and during the game - in steps 36-year-old accountant and emergency backup goaltender Scott Foster to make 7 saves en route to a Blackhawks win - having been sitting at his work desk a few hours before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-IGNvfrg8

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on March 30, 2018, 10:53:45 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 30, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
No kidding - Stanton could hit 80 homers this year  :o :o :o :o



This was pretty cool last night - Blackhawks lost both of their goalies to injury just before and during the game - in steps 36-year-old accountant and emergency backup goaltender Scott Foster to make 7 saves en route to a Blackhawks win - having been sitting at his work desk a few hours before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG-IGNvfrg8

Brilliant stuff!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 01, 2018, 04:43:14 AM
Nova Michigan.
That'll be fun!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 04, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Brandon Cooks traded to the Rams from the Pats, who look to be going all in before they have to give Goff a mega contract
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on April 04, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Brandon Cooks traded to the Rams from the Pats, who look to be going all in before they have to give Goff a mega contract

Any other team but the Pats you would be wondering what is going on with their trades so far.  Losing Butler or Dion Lewis was probably expected. Losing Danny Amendola, Nate Solder and Cook as well means a hell of a lot of talent is gone.

Because it's  the Pats you just accept there is a plan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 04, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 04, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Brandon Cooks traded to the Rams from the Pats, who look to be going all in before they have to give Goff a mega contract

Any other team but the Pats you would be wondering what is going on with their trades so far.  Losing Butler or Dion Lewis was probably expected. Losing Danny Amendola, Nate Solder and Cook as well means a hell of a lot of talent is gone.

Because it's  the Pats you just accept there is a plan.

Well they are getting a first rounder in the draft and read earlier they didn't see him as a true #1 receiver & Brady isn't exactly upset about him going
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 04, 2018, 03:37:52 PM
The Patriots have 2 1st Rounders, 2 2nd Rounders and a 3rd Rounder. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. I wonder will they try move up to a top 4 pick?

Or will they try get OBJ from New York?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 04, 2018, 04:01:01 PM
Pretty certain they'll take a QB. I'm not so sure they'll trade up. Their WR's are actually still ok. Cooks was/is a difference maker but not enough for them to hold on to him for another year and get nothing for him. I think it's a trade that's good for everyone, bar possibly Cooks himself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 04, 2018, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 04, 2018, 04:01:01 PM
Pretty certain they'll take a QB. I'm not so sure they'll trade up. Their WR's are actually still ok. Cooks was/is a difference maker but not enough for them to hold on to him for another year and get nothing for him. I think it's a trade that's good for everyone, bar possibly Cooks himself.

They'll not get one of the top ones at 23 I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 04, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 04, 2018, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 04, 2018, 04:01:01 PM
Pretty certain they'll take a QB. I'm not so sure they'll trade up. Their WR's are actually still ok. Cooks was/is a difference maker but not enough for them to hold on to him for another year and get nothing for him. I think it's a trade that's good for everyone, bar possibly Cooks himself.

They'll not get one of the top ones at 23 I'd say.

They might get who they want though. Brady and Garoppalo were not first round picks as we know. If they feel they need to move up they have the draft capital to do so. They do need to improve on defence though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 04, 2018, 04:15:16 PM
Brady wasn;t a first round pick!!!!??????

:)

Maybe Mason Rudolph will fall that far. I suspect Belichick loves Rosen though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 04, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
Cooks is going to LA and the best Rams team since the Greatest Show on Turf - they wouldn't have traded for him with one year remaining on his contract if they weren't willing to pay him. If anything the Rams' medium term looks more solid than the Patriots with the two-headed twat both facing down retirement.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on April 04, 2018, 04:49:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2018, 03:35:40 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 04, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Brandon Cooks traded to the Rams from the Pats, who look to be going all in before they have to give Goff a mega contract

Any other team but the Pats you would be wondering what is going on with their trades so far.  Losing Butler or Dion Lewis was probably expected. Losing Danny Amendola, Nate Solder and Cook as well means a hell of a lot of talent is gone.

Because it's  the Pats you just accept there is a plan.

Well they are getting a first rounder in the draft and read earlier they didn't see him as a true #1 receiver & Brady isn't exactly upset about him going

Thats probably the clincher there. Cooks in himself going isnt necessarily an issue as they got the first round Pick. Replacing Amendola and Solder is going to be key for the Pats. If nothing else it has probably put the Gronk retirement/trade rumours to bed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 04, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 04, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Brandon Cooks traded to the Rams from the Pats, who look to be going all in before they have to give Goff a mega contract

Any other team but the Pats you would be wondering what is going on with their trades so far.  Losing Butler or Dion Lewis was probably expected. Losing Danny Amendola, Nate Solder and Cook as well means a hell of a lot of talent is gone.

Because it's  the Pats you just accept there is a plan.
pats paid cooks 1.5 mil last year but he was due 8.1 this year , they have Edelman coming back too. If they have that many picks they probably feel they can replenish there and will probably sign a free agent wr and a dB. I think they cracks might start showing in New England soon but until they do u can't doubt Bellichick he runs it his way doesn't overpay and it's been working well for a long time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 04, 2018, 05:00:33 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 04, 2018, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 04, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 04, 2018, 12:12:28 PM
Brandon Cooks traded to the Rams from the Pats, who look to be going all in before they have to give Goff a mega contract

Any other team but the Pats you would be wondering what is going on with their trades so far.  Losing Butler or Dion Lewis was probably expected. Losing Danny Amendola, Nate Solder and Cook as well means a hell of a lot of talent is gone.

Because it's  the Pats you just accept there is a plan.
pats paid cooks 1.5 mil last year but he was due 8.1 this year , they have Edelman coming back too. If they have that many picks they probably feel they can replenish there and will probably sign a free agent wr and a dB. I think they cracks might start showing in New England soon but until they do u can't doubt Bellichick he runs it his way doesn't overpay and it's been working well for a long time

The cracks have been showing for a while but they still keep getting to Superbowls!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 05, 2018, 02:43:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
Cooks is going to LA and the best Rams team since the Greatest Show on Turf - they wouldn't have traded for him with one year remaining on his contract if they weren't willing to pay him. If anything the Rams' medium term looks more solid than the Patriots with the two-headed twat both facing down retirement.
They can pay him if they like. The Pats got one year , and a decent one at that for a first rounder who they paid 1.5 million. Now, they are recouping their money. At 1.5 million, that was quite a nice rental fee...
The Rams have Aaron Donald , Goff and Gurley ALL on rookie contracts , that will all have to be redid in the next 2 years. They are going for bust over the next 2 years. The Pats are the smartest team in the league by a mile in this regards.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 05, 2018, 09:48:58 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on April 05, 2018, 02:43:03 AM
Quote from: Syferus on April 04, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
Cooks is going to LA and the best Rams team since the Greatest Show on Turf - they wouldn't have traded for him with one year remaining on his contract if they weren't willing to pay him. If anything the Rams' medium term looks more solid than the Patriots with the two-headed twat both facing down retirement.
They can pay him if they like. The Pats got one year , and a decent one at that for a first rounder who they paid 1.5 million. Now, they are recouping their money. At 1.5 million, that was quite a nice rental fee...
The Rams have Aaron Donald , Goff and Gurley ALL on rookie contracts , that will all have to be redid in the next 2 years. They are going for bust over the next 2 years. The Pats are the smartest team in the league by a mile in this regards.....

They are, but it's a Belichick phenomenon. It's because he can plug and play lads into his system and get unreal production out of them. They can stockpile draft picks, and low ball free agents because he is brilliant at identifying guys that can play in his system, and then free agents sign one or two year deals knowing they have a great chance at a ring. BB (Before Bill) the Patriots were a bit of a joke, and they weren't called the Patsies by long suffering Bostahn fans for nothing. It will be very interesting what happens when he departs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 05, 2018, 10:17:20 AM
Shohei Otani living up to the billing so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: passedit on April 11, 2018, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 05, 2018, 10:17:20 AM
Shohei Otani living up to the billing so far.

Indeed. A lot of hype (see link) but looks the business so far.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23026169/the-shohei-ohtani-experience-keep-track-angels-phenom-two-way-quest (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23026169/the-shohei-ohtani-experience-keep-track-angels-phenom-two-way-quest) .

Surprised America's game gets so little love on here. Leagues have started promisingly with the Yankees under 500 and booing Stanton, while as of today Phillies are a 500 club so I'm happy enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 12:31:00 PM
Football is America's game. Baseball regular season games (individually) are as close to irrelevant as you can get without being irrelevant. It only gets interesting for the playoffs or at most after the break.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
Ah I don't know Seanie. It just operates at a different pace and with that amount of games it obviously is less intense than football. However as a pulse of the people, and the way it fits into the rhythm of life, I would say baseball is the very definition of Americana.

The baseball strike really hurt the sport because people felt so betrayed that their sport could let them down like that but i think it's bouncing back, especially as the NFL loses ground with it's own image problems.

I love it too :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
What is it they say, every team is going to win 54 games, every team is going to lose 54 games and it's what they do with the other 54 games that count. To me that just suggests there are far too many games. Whilst I still enjoy the sport (as I do most sports) I think it's my least favourite of the big 4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on April 11, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
What is it they say, every team is going to win 54 games, every team is going to lose 54 games and it's what they do with the other 54 games that count. To me that just suggests there are far too many games. Whilst I still enjoy the sport (as I do most sports) I think it's my least favourite of the big 4

Another way to look at it:  Top teams will win around 60% of their games, Bottom teams 40%.  Say they play 5 games a week.  Top team wins 3 a week, Bottom team 2 a week. 

So, each team wins 2 a week and loses two a week, with one game a week up for grabs.

Baseball is America's pastime, rather than its sport. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 11, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
What is it they say, every team is going to win 54 games, every team is going to lose 54 games and it's what they do with the other 54 games that count. To me that just suggests there are far too many games. Whilst I still enjoy the sport (as I do most sports) I think it's my least favourite of the big 4

Another way to look at it:  Top teams will win around 60% of their games, Bottom teams 40%.  Say they play 5 games a week.  Top team wins 3 a week, Bottom team 2 a week. 

So, each team wins 2 a week and loses two a week, with one game a week up for grabs.

Baseball is America's pastime, rather than its sport.

That's probably a better way to put it. Nobody gets too upset or too elated on one single game (barring pennant chases or playoffs as Seanie referred to). It's a nice way to spend a few hours in the ballpark, with some food, some beer  and some top technical skills on display.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on April 11, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 11, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
What is it they say, every team is going to win 54 games, every team is going to lose 54 games and it's what they do with the other 54 games that count. To me that just suggests there are far too many games. Whilst I still enjoy the sport (as I do most sports) I think it's my least favourite of the big 4

Another way to look at it:  Top teams will win around 60% of their games, Bottom teams 40%.  Say they play 5 games a week.  Top team wins 3 a week, Bottom team 2 a week. 

So, each team wins 2 a week and loses two a week, with one game a week up for grabs.

Baseball is America's pastime, rather than its sport.

That's probably a better way to put it. Nobody gets too upset or too elated on one single game (barring pennant chases or playoffs as Seanie referred to). It's a nice way to spend a few hours in the ballpark, with some food, some beer  and some top technical skills on display.

Had the pleasure of going to see the blue jays v the yankees in toronto years ago. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Beers, food and a bit of something to watch. i can see why it would be popular. But yes, nobody really seemed to get overly excited, or upset at the end.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
It's also a very sensory and nostalgic game. The smells, popcorn, hotdogs etc. The sounds of the ball hitting leather, the crack of the bat. The sight of the green grass and the *usually* good weather.

Add in the nostalgia of American lads remembering playing sandlot or little league or just catch with their dads, and it all becomes sort of chicken soup for the American soul.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 11, 2018, 05:19:31 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on April 11, 2018, 04:21:39 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 11, 2018, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 02:43:51 PM
What is it they say, every team is going to win 54 games, every team is going to lose 54 games and it's what they do with the other 54 games that count. To me that just suggests there are far too many games. Whilst I still enjoy the sport (as I do most sports) I think it's my least favourite of the big 4

Another way to look at it:  Top teams will win around 60% of their games, Bottom teams 40%.  Say they play 5 games a week.  Top team wins 3 a week, Bottom team 2 a week. 

So, each team wins 2 a week and loses two a week, with one game a week up for grabs.

Baseball is America's pastime, rather than its sport.

That's probably a better way to put it. Nobody gets too upset or too elated on one single game (barring pennant chases or playoffs as Seanie referred to). It's a nice way to spend a few hours in the ballpark, with some food, some beer  and some top technical skills on display.

Had the pleasure of going to see the blue jays v the yankees in toronto years ago. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Beers, food and a bit of something to watch. i can see why it would be popular. But yes, nobody really seemed to get overly excited, or upset at the end.

Its popularity has massively faded in recent decades. In part due to the meaninglessness of individual games and a sport that largely involves people standing around and doing little if anything.

If I wanted to attend an American sport that's enjoyable for a spectator it would be ice hockey, to be honest. American football is so totally designed around television viewing it's not even funny. Maybe a high school game you'd get something with a better tempo for a spectator than the pre-packaged NCAA and NFL fare.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 05:22:53 PM
Ice hockey is great when you are at the rink. I don't enjoy it nearly as much on TV.  Baseball is certainly not an all action game, but once you attune yourself to the nuances, and the situational stuff, I think it's quite an easy and enjoyable watch.

Different strokes I suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Went to a high school football game in Chicago when we were over there last November 12 months and it was fantastic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Went to a high school football game in Chicago when we were over there last November 12 months and it was fantastic.

Absolutely! Friday night lights is brilliant. Every Autumn I used have a ball going between the Horizon Huskies high school football, ASU ncaa football and the Cardinals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Went to a high school football game in Chicago when we were over there last November 12 months and it was fantastic.

Absolutely! Friday night lights is brilliant. Every Autumn I used have a ball going between the Horizon Huskies high school football, ASU ncaa football and the Cardinals.

It must be great playing the game as a high school kid in that environment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 06:01:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 05:48:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 11, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Went to a high school football game in Chicago when we were over there last November 12 months and it was fantastic.

Absolutely! Friday night lights is brilliant. Every Autumn I used have a ball going between the Horizon Huskies high school football, ASU ncaa football and the Cardinals.

It must be great playing the game as a high school kid in that environment.

Great, or shit!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 11, 2018, 07:11:42 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 11, 2018, 05:19:31 PMAmerican football is so totally designed around television viewing it's not even funny. Maybe a high school game you'd get something with a better tempo for a spectator than the pre-packaged NCAA and NFL fare.

I saw the Lakers play the Clippers in 2012. Kobe was winding down but with him and Pau and then CP3 and young Blake on the Clippers side it was a national TV game with serious star power on show. As I basketball fan I couldn't believe how boring the whole thing was, and it was a game in which Blake put up two dunk of the year candidates. The shite they fill timeouts with in the arena is just God awful. Dance cam, kiss cam, t shirt canon, trampolines, mascots, the terrible DJ etc. Awful stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: FL/MAYO on April 11, 2018, 08:36:03 PM
It depends where you live in the U.S. When I lived in NYC I was really into baseball, I can still name the 86 Mets team😊 When I was up there last week I noticed people sitting around watching baseball, they were really into it. You wouldn't see that down here. Baseball is still very popular in the north east. When I moved to Florida it was all about football, most people don't give a toss about any other sport down here, must be the climate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
From Adam Schefter

QuoteAfter arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.

More ahead on NFL Live now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on April 12, 2018, 06:51:26 PM
Quote from: FL/MAYO on April 11, 2018, 08:36:03 PM
It depends where you live in the U.S. When I lived in NYC I was really into baseball, I can still name the 86 Mets team😊 When I was up there last week I noticed people sitting around watching baseball, they were really into it. You wouldn't see that down here. Baseball is still very popular in the north east. When I moved to Florida it was all about football, most people don't give a toss about any other sport down here, must be the climate.

I lived in Orlando for a year. When the Florida/Florida State game was on two local radio stations carried it, one with the FSU commentary and the other carrying UF.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
From Adam Schefter

QuoteAfter arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.

More ahead on NFL Live now.

I wonder what excuses the "it's for football reasons" twats will use now to explain why an NFL starting quaility QB can't even land a job as a backup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
From Adam Schefter

QuoteAfter arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.

More ahead on NFL Live now.

I wonder what excuses the "it's for football reasons" t**ts will use now to explain why an NFL starting quaility QB can't even land a job as a backup.

Hmm I think Kap has to bite the bullet if he wants a job. All the rest have followed suit. At this stage its his pride that's stopping him. He has made his point and people are listening. The thing is too, he has been out of football an awful long time, and he was on the decline before the protests.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 12, 2018, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on April 12, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
From Adam Schefter

QuoteAfter arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.

More ahead on NFL Live now.

I wonder what excuses the "it's for football reasons" t**ts will use now to explain why an NFL starting quaility QB can't even land a job as a backup.

Hmm I think Kap has to bite the bullet if he wants a job. All the rest have followed suit. At this stage its his pride that's stopping him. He has made his point and people are listening. The thing is too, he has been out of football an awful long time, and he was on the decline before the protests.
hes not good enough for all the distractions and media coverage he would get he's a back up  at best , also the fact he's suing the nfl probably doesn't help him. Before anyone starts the 2012 version was very good but the 2014/15/16 not so much
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 10:57:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
From Adam Schefter

QuoteAfter arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.

More ahead on NFL Live now.

I wonder what excuses the "it's for football reasons" t**ts will use now to explain why an NFL starting quaility QB can't even land a job as a backup.

Syf if Cam started kneeling do you think he'd he out of the league?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 11:04:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 10:57:45 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 07:29:33 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 12, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
From Adam Schefter

QuoteAfter arranging for Colin Kaepernick to work out for the Seahawks this week, Seattle postponed the trip when the quarterback declined to stop kneeling during the national anthem next season, league sources tell ESPN.

More ahead on NFL Live now.

I wonder what excuses the "it's for football reasons" t**ts will use now to explain why an NFL starting quaility QB can't even land a job as a backup.

Syf if Cam started kneeling do you think he'd he out of the league?

Nope, but he is an NFL MVP and not a buck with one year to run on his contract allowing his team to get rid as easily as SF did.

What point are you trying to make, though? Kaep is probably a top 20 QB even if he's at the leve he was at in his final season (only just back from a serious injury), nevermind what he was at his peak. He's better than at least two or three of the QBs that played in this year's playoffs ffs. Greg Hardy was right back in the league after battering a woman to an inch of her life and Kaep's been blackballed for kneeling for something that any sensible observer can see is an entirely valid reason.

The fact he hasn't even had a workout for a backup job is so utterly shameful that the NFL's cadre of old, white conservative owners should be indicted for collusion. Of course Kaep did file such a suit but they won't get done for it because justice is secondary in this sport.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
My point is that Kaepernick is not good enough for teams to want to have the constant sideshow. I don't think they are all against his stance although I know a lot are. If he was an elite QB he'd be in the league baggage and all. But isn't and so he's not. Of course it's not just about the football, but if he was great you'd have a lot more willing to put up with the sideshow.

None of the above is a commentary on the validity or otherwise of his stance by the way. Just my opinion on why he's not in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 12, 2018, 11:10:00 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
My point is that Kaepernick is not good enough for teams to want to have the constant sideshow. I don't think they are all against his stance although I know a lot are. If he was an elite QB he'd be in the league baggage and all. But isn't and so he's not. Of course it's not just about the football, but if he was great you'd have a lot more willing to put up with the sideshow.

None of the above is a commentary on the validity or otherwise of his stance by the way. Just my opinion on why he's not in the league.

It's only a sideshow if you think he's doing anything egregious or is promoting something that is untrue. Otherwise it's not different than the thousands of other expressions of political or social views by athletes. This shît would not be tolerated in the NBA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 12, 2018, 11:18:26 PM
It's absolutely a sideshow. The media, the questions for teammates, veterans and service men objecting and making their own noise. All of it, the ancillary items that fall out of his protest are a sideshow. I mean the whole point of his stance was to provoke debate and try get things changed.

Again I'm not saying his stance is not worthy, but if you are on a 5-11 team, as an owner and a coach, you don't want that sort of media led distraction, assuming you want your coaches and players to actually focus on getting better.


Talent wise, he's obviously good enough to be on a roster. I don't know that 2016 version would be starting but he's certainly worth a place in the league if he would take a backup salary.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on April 13, 2018, 05:27:31 AM
Az
I hear ya. I would say that the issue is the owners not wanting to "alienate a section of the fans".

And I do have a view on the validity of his protest. The Superbowl win wouldn't matter to the owners. They only care about the commercial value of the team which would decrease based on a  boycott by fans or sponsors for whatever given reason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 13, 2018, 08:50:38 AM
Quote from: heganboy on April 13, 2018, 05:27:31 AM
Az
I hear ya. I would say that the issue is the owners not wanting to "alienate a section of the fans".

And I do have a view on the validity of his protest. The Superbowl win wouldn't matter to the owners. They only care about the commercial value of the team which would decrease based on a  boycott by fans or sponsors for whatever given reason.

That's true, and the sideshow I mention is the type of thing that leads to those factors.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 13, 2018, 06:31:33 PM
Cowboys cut Dez
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 17, 2018, 01:05:36 PM
GSW seem to be back to something like their best & with Curry to come back too
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 17, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 17, 2018, 01:05:36 PM
GSW seem to be back to something like their best & with Curry to come back too

Hard to say. The Spurs are flat out bad this year and it's only because they're the Spurs and have Pop (and superhero efforts from Aldridge in fairness) that they actually made the playoffs. The Kawhi situation is just so strange.

If Curry isn't 100%, which is a big if as it's the same injury and same knee as two years ago, they'll be underdogs against Houston.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 17, 2018, 03:58:43 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 13, 2018, 06:31:33 PM
Cowboys cut Dez

Sounds like Bryant's contract not being structured with bonuses early in the league year is what allowed the Cowboys to make this move now. He underperformed but his agent should be fired for negligence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 18, 2018, 11:49:48 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 13, 2018, 06:31:33 PM
Cowboys cut Dez

No surprise. He's just not that good (any more).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on April 18, 2018, 07:44:43 PM
What's going on at the Patriots??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
QuoteEagles vs Jags - Week 8 on 28 October at Wembley Stadium. It will be an 1.30pm kickoff in London, making for a 9:30am start time in the Eastern time zone.

The other game at Wembley will be the previous week with the Los Angeles Chargers hosting the Tennessee Titans, another 1.30pm local kickoff.

Tottenham Hotspur's new stadium in London will be the site for an Oakland Raiders home game on 14 October against Seattle, a 6pm kickoff in London.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 20, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 19, 2018, 06:12:18 PM
QuoteEagles vs Jags - Week 8 on 28 October at Wembley Stadium. It will be an 1.30pm kickoff in London, making for a 9:30am start time in the Eastern time zone.

The other game at Wembley will be the previous week with the Los Angeles Chargers hosting the Tennessee Titans, another 1.30pm local kickoff.

Tottenham Hotspur's new stadium in London will be the site for an Oakland Raiders home game on 14 October against Seattle, a 6pm kickoff in London.

Hoping to get to that Eagles Jaguars game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 20, 2018, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 17, 2018, 01:05:36 PM
GSW seem to be back to something like their best & with Curry to come back too

Spurs was the best possible draw for them, next up looking like the pelicans which will be a much stiffer test and curry may miss the start of that series. Unless Curry is fit and flying I can't see them beating Houston.

The East is total pish, actually think the 6ers might win it but whoever wins the West wins the whole shabang.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 20, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 20, 2018, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 17, 2018, 01:05:36 PM
GSW seem to be back to something like their best & with Curry to come back too

Spurs was the best possible draw for them, next up looking like the pelicans which will be a much stiffer test and curry may miss the start of that series. Unless Curry is fit and flying I can't see them beating Houston.

The East is total pish, actually think the 6ers might win it but whoever wins the West wins the whole shabang.

Yeah the 76ers definitely have the talent to win the East. Embiid and Simmons are insanely good.

Cleveland could genuinely lose in the first round. LeBron is going to have to play like he did in Game 2 for them to have any chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on April 20, 2018, 05:07:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 20, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 20, 2018, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 17, 2018, 01:05:36 PM
GSW seem to be back to something like their best & with Curry to come back too

Spurs was the best possible draw for them, next up looking like the pelicans which will be a much stiffer test and curry may miss the start of that series. Unless Curry is fit and flying I can't see them beating Houston.

The East is total pish, actually think the 6ers might win it but whoever wins the West wins the whole shabang.

Yeah the 76ers definitely have the talent to win the East. Embiid and Simmons are insanely good.

Cleveland could genuinely lose in the first round. LeBron is going to have to play like he did in Game 2 for them to have any chance.

With Irving and Hayward, the Celtics wouldve been Champs. It's a pity Irving won't get the chance to finish Lebron in the East finals.

The Warriors are the hot hand at the minute, can't see the Beard being any use to them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 20, 2018, 05:33:55 PM
If Curry isn't back 100%, the Warriors won't beat Houston.

Boston had started sliding, and badly, before Kyrie went down. The addition of Hayward to that team wouldn't be enough to beat either GSW or Houston. Definitely favourites for the East though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 21, 2018, 12:11:43 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 20, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 20, 2018, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 17, 2018, 01:05:36 PM
GSW seem to be back to something like their best & with Curry to come back too

Spurs was the best possible draw for them, next up looking like the pelicans which will be a much stiffer test and curry may miss the start of that series. Unless Curry is fit and flying I can't see them beating Houston.

The East is total pish, actually think the 6ers might win it but whoever wins the West wins the whole shabang.

Yeah the 76ers definitely have the talent to win the East. Embiid and Simmons are insanely good.

Cleveland could genuinely lose in the first round. LeBron is going to have to play like he did in Game 2 for them to have any chance.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see them go out. Lebron is scoring half their points but that's not going to cut it.

I can see achanging of the guard next year apart from the warriors and rockets. Can see the 6ers, timberwolves, Jazz, Pacers, Bucks and Pelicans over taking the likes of Toronto, Spurs, cavs and Portland. OKC will depend on if they keep George with Westbrook. There's then scope for a lakers or New York to jump the queue if they acquire lebron and:or Leonard
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
LeBron. f**king hell.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 26, 2018, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
LeBron. f**king hell.

Superb score.
Play Offs were made for him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
Well kids, draft round 1 tonight. What do we reckon? If I was the Browns GM, unless I was absolutely taken with one of the top 4 QBs, I'd go Barkley first, and QB in 4th.  If that happens, I think the first 4 spots will stay the same. If the Browns go QB at #1, Barkley will surely be gone by #4, so maybe the Browns will trade down and let maybe the Cardinals or Patriots come up for someone like Rosen, Allen or Mayfield. Allen's stock has risen, but from looking at some of the clips of him last season, his accuracy looks to be a real problem. He threw a country mile at the Combine, but that's not the same as trying to keep your eyes down the field when a 6' 7'' DE is looking to take your head off.

The word is Rosen may slip because people are worried about his 'love' for the game and the fact that he challenges his coaches and needs everything right. Might be me, but I would think a perfectionist like that might fit in with the Patriot way.

For the Cardinals, I'd like them to be in play for Rosen or Mayfield. I don't like Allen's accuracy issues, nor do I like Darnolds USCness. Mason Rudolph might end up being the best QB in the draft, and if he falls, don't be surprised if the Patriots pick him up.  Lamar Jackson is intriguing but he'll only fit certain offences, and he might end up in the second round.

There's other good players at all positions. Bradley Chubb at DE is likely to be a big success, and teams with a pass rush need would love him, but it may be that the Browns take him at 4 if they go QB 1. Calvin Ridley is probably the best receiver in a middling receivers class. Offensive line is probably above average, two good Notre Dame linemen likely to go in round 1, along with a couple of others from Alabama and Georgia. DL strong too. DBs and Linebackers are also strong, and the Alabama safety/db Minkah Fitzpatrick will be coveted. Darrius Guice, the LSU running back might get into the top round as well, but if he doesn't he should be a bargain in round 2.


Here's the current draft order, which can of course change if trades are made.


Round 1

1 CLEVELAND BROWNS
2 NEW YORK GIANTS
3 NEW YORK JETS
4 CLEVELAND BROWNS
5 DENVER BRONCOS
6 INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
7 TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
8 CHICAGO BEARS
9 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
10 OAKLAND RAIDERS
11 MIAMI DOLPHINS
12 BUFFALO BILLS
13 WASHINGTON REDSKINS
14 GREEN BAY PACKERS
15 ARIZONA CARDINALS
16 BALTIMORE RAVENS
17 LOS ANGELES CHARGERS
18 SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
19 DALLAS COWBOYS
20 DETROIT LIONS
21 CINCINNATI BENGALS
22 BUFFALO BILLS
23 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
24 CAROLINA PANTHERS
25 TENNESSEE TITANS
26 ATLANTA FALCONS
27 NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
28 PITTSBURGH STEELERS
29 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
30 MINNESOTA VIKINGS
31 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
32 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

No Picks currently (barring trades) in round 1 for : LOS ANGELES RAMS, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS and HOUSTON TEXANS


This is the latest mock draft from Mike Mayock, note he has some trades predicted. Also worth noting the most accurate draft prediction last year got 11 correct, so treat with caution :)

1 - Cleveland Browns : Sam Darnold, QB, USC
2 - New York Giants : Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
3 - New York Jets : Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
4 - Cleveland Browns : Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
5 - Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, OT, Notre Dame
6 - Buffalo Bills *PREDICTS TRADE WITH COLTS*: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
7 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers : Derwin James, S, Florida State
8 - Chicago Bears : Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
9 - San Francisco 49ers : Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
10 - Oakland Raiders : Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
11 - Miami Dolphins : Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
12 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILLS*: Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama
13 - Washington Redskins : Vita Vea, DT, Washington
14 - Green Bay Packers : Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
15 - Arizona Cardinals  : Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
16 - Baltimore Ravens - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville
17 - Los Angeles Chargers - Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
18 - Seattle Seahawks - Marcus Davenport, DE, UT San Antonio
19 - Dallas Cowboys - Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
20 - Detroit Lions - Harold Landry, DE, Boston College
21 - Cincinnati Bengals - Frank Ragnow, C, Arkansas
22 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILL*: Isiah Wynn, OT, Georgia
23 - New England Patriots : Kolton Miller, OT, UCLA
24 - Carolina Panthers : Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
25 - Tennessee Titans : Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
26 - Atlanta Falcons : Taven Bryan, DT, Florida
27 - New Orleans Saints : D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland
28 - Pittsburgh Steelers : Sony Michel, RB, Georgia
29 - Jacksonville Jaguars : Hayden Hurst , TE, South Carolina
30 - Minnesota Vikings : Will Hernandez, OG, UT El Paso
31 - New England Patriots : James Daniels, C, Iowa
32 - Philadephia Eagles : Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

No Picks in Round 1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 26, 2018, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
LeBron. f**king hell.

Superb score.
Play Offs were made for him

The block was definitely a goaltend though lol
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on April 26, 2018, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
Well kids, draft round 1 tonight. What do we reckon? If I was the Browns GM, unless I was absolutely taken with one of the top 4 QBs, I'd go Barkley first, and QB in 4th.  If that happens, I think the first 4 spots will stay the same. If the Browns go QB at #1, Barkley will surely be gone by #4, so maybe the Browns will trade down and let maybe the Cardinals or Patriots come up for someone like Rosen, Allen or Mayfield. Allen's stock has risen, but from looking at some of the clips of him last season, his accuracy looks to be a real problem. He threw a country mile at the Combine, but that's not the same as trying to keep your eyes down the field when a 6' 7'' DE is looking to take your head off.

The word is Rosen may slip because people are worried about his 'love' for the game and the fact that he challenges his coaches and needs everything right. Might be me, but I would think a perfectionist like that might fit in with the Patriot way.

For the Cardinals, I'd like them to be in play for Rosen or Mayfield. I don't like Allen's accuracy issues, nor do I like Darnolds USCness. Mason Rudolph might end up being the best QB in the draft, and if he falls, don't be surprised if the Patriots pick him up.  Lamar Jackson is intriguing but he'll only fit certain offences, and he might end up in the second round.

There's other good players at all positions. Bradley Chubb at DE is likely to be a big success, and teams with a pass rush need would love him, but it may be that the Browns take him at 4 if they go QB 1. Calvin Ridley is probably the best receiver in a middling receivers class. Offensive line is probably above average, two good Notre Dame linemen likely to go in round 1, along with a couple of others from Alabama and Georgia. DL strong too. DBs and Linebackers are also strong, and the Alabama safety/db Minkah Fitzpatrick will be coveted. Darrius Guice, the LSU running back might get into the top round as well, but if he doesn't he should be a bargain in round 2.


Here's the current draft order, which can of course change if trades are made.


Round 1

1 CLEVELAND BROWNS
2 NEW YORK GIANTS
3 NEW YORK JETS
4 CLEVELAND BROWNS
5 DENVER BRONCOS
6 INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
7 TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
8 CHICAGO BEARS
9 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
10 OAKLAND RAIDERS
11 MIAMI DOLPHINS
12 BUFFALO BILLS
13 WASHINGTON REDSKINS
14 GREEN BAY PACKERS
15 ARIZONA CARDINALS
16 BALTIMORE RAVENS
17 LOS ANGELES CHARGERS
18 SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
19 DALLAS COWBOYS
20 DETROIT LIONS
21 CINCINNATI BENGALS
22 BUFFALO BILLS
23 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
24 CAROLINA PANTHERS
25 TENNESSEE TITANS
26 ATLANTA FALCONS
27 NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
28 PITTSBURGH STEELERS
29 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
30 MINNESOTA VIKINGS
31 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
32 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

No Picks currently (barring trades) in round 1 for : LOS ANGELES RAMS, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS and HOUSTON TEXANS


This is the latest mock draft from Mike Mayock, note he has some trades predicted. Also worth noting the most accurate draft prediction last year got 11 correct, so treat with caution :)

1 - Cleveland Browns : Sam Darnold, QB, USC
2 - New York Giants : Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
3 - New York Jets : Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
4 - Cleveland Browns : Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
5 - Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, OT, Notre Dame
6 - Buffalo Bills *PREDICTS TRADE WITH COLTS*: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
7 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers : Derwin James, S, Florida State
8 - Chicago Bears : Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
9 - San Francisco 49ers : Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
10 - Oakland Raiders : Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
11 - Miami Dolphins : Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
12 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILLS*: Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama
13 - Washington Redskins : Vita Vea, DT, Washington
14 - Green Bay Packers : Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
15 - Arizona Cardinals  : Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
16 - Baltimore Ravens - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville
17 - Los Angeles Chargers - Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
18 - Seattle Seahawks - Marcus Davenport, DE, UT San Antonio
19 - Dallas Cowboys - Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
20 - Detroit Lions - Harold Landry, DE, Boston College
21 - Cincinnati Bengals - Frank Ragnow, C, Arkansas
22 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILL*: Isiah Wynn, OT, Georgia
23 - New England Patriots : Kolton Miller, OT, UCLA
24 - Carolina Panthers : Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
25 - Tennessee Titans : Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
26 - Atlanta Falcons : Taven Bryan, DT, Florida
27 - New Orleans Saints : D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland
28 - Pittsburgh Steelers : Sony Michel, RB, Georgia
29 - Jacksonville Jaguars : Hayden Hurst , TE, South Carolina
30 - Minnesota Vikings : Will Hernandez, OG, UT El Paso
31 - New England Patriots : James Daniels, C, Iowa
32 - Philadephia Eagles : Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

No Picks in Round 1
What time does this throw in at, or is it on tv?
You know yourself, I'm a typical bogman.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 26, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
I just wonder if the Browns will pick a RB so high in the draft after the Trent Richardson debacle. He was massively hyped coming out of college. I know Barkley looks awesome but I think top 10 is too high for any RB person. I also can't see Lamar Jackson slipping to the second round. I know there are doubts but his athleticism is amazing and I personally think his deficiencies have been overstated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on April 26, 2018, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 26, 2018, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
LeBron. f**king hell.

Superb score.
Play Offs were made for him

The block was definitely a goaltend though lol

Was it? It's so difficult to tell if the ball hit the backboard first or Lebron hit it off the backboard.

2 absolutely ridiculous clutch plays though in the last 10 seconds!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 11:48:30 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2018, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 26, 2018, 11:03:56 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
LeBron. f**king hell.

Superb score.
Play Offs were made for him

The block was definitely a goaltend though lol

Was it? It's so difficult to tell if the ball hit the backboard first or Lebron hit it off the backboard.

2 absolutely ridiculous clutch plays though in the last 10 seconds!!

The overhead angle clearly showed it hit the glass first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
I just wonder if the Browns will pick a RB so high in the draft after the Trent Richardson debacle. He was massively hyped coming out of college. I know Barkley looks awesome but I think top 10 is too high for any RB person. I also can't see Lamar Jackson slipping to the second round. I know there are doubts but his athleticism is amazing and I personally think his deficiencies have been overstated.

I can't see it, depends how they view the QBs though, don't think there is one they totally love but I think it will be Darnold #1 & Chubb #4 for the Browns
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on April 26, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 26, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
I just wonder if the Browns will pick a RB so high in the draft after the Trent Richardson debacle. He was massively hyped coming out of college. I know Barkley looks awesome but I think top 10 is too high for any RB person. I also can't see Lamar Jackson slipping to the second round. I know there are doubts but his athleticism is amazing and I personally think his deficiencies have been overstated.

I can't see it, depends how they view the QBs though, don't think there is one they totally love but I think it will be Darnold #1 & Chubb #4 for the Browns

I like the draft concept, especially the way it is designed to try to level the playing field, something soccer would do well to take note off. You guys who watch a lot of US sports, does it impact on the competitiveness of "dead rubber"  matches at the back end of the previous campaign? the cynic in me thinks that if you are sitting at 1-14 going into the last game of the season with one other team on the same record and  there is a massively hyped QB in the draft the following year, is there much incentive to win your final game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on April 26, 2018, 12:13:34 PM
Just from what I've seen in past few years watching gridiron closely. There's only 32 NFL teams, and if you're not with one of those, you're nobody. And rosters change as quickly as they're drawn up. So in every match in a season, on an individual level, there's contract renewal concerns and free agency concerns everywhere. Every tackle, catch, interception, fumble is recorded against each player individually and nobody wants black marks against their name. While it doesn't entirely negate the potential for dead rubbers, it certainly helps.

So it's not so much the draft system that pushes this so much as the small number of elite clubs. I doubt soccer will ever enjoy such an elite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 12:15:28 PM
That's a good question. There was talk of tanking for high draft pick previously, but then you see the Arizona Cardinals winning 3 of their last 5 games and probably dropping 5 or 6 spots in the draft. Also coaches and players know their jobs depend on them performing. Fans in seats are a big driver for that, so unless you get the Owners/GM, and the Players and Fans all on board, it's hard to tank.

The Colts lucked out (no pun intended) when an injury to Peyton Manning, in exactly the right year, let them get Andrew Luck, but a lot of the time it doesn't work out like that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 26, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
Quote from: TabClear on April 26, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 26, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 26, 2018, 11:40:05 AM
I just wonder if the Browns will pick a RB so high in the draft after the Trent Richardson debacle. He was massively hyped coming out of college. I know Barkley looks awesome but I think top 10 is too high for any RB person. I also can't see Lamar Jackson slipping to the second round. I know there are doubts but his athleticism is amazing and I personally think his deficiencies have been overstated.

I can't see it, depends how they view the QBs though, don't think there is one they totally love but I think it will be Darnold #1 & Chubb #4 for the Browns

I like the draft concept, especially the way it is designed to try to level the playing field, something soccer would do well to take note off. You guys who watch a lot of US sports, does it impact on the competitiveness of "dead rubber"  matches at the back end of the previous campaign? the cynic in me thinks that if you are sitting at 1-14 going into the last game of the season with one other team on the same record and  there is a massively hyped QB in the draft the following year, is there much incentive to win your final game?

It's amazingly short of dead rubbers. These guys are playing for their teams but are also playing for their futures. No use your team drafting a stud QB and you being cut because you were going through the motions. That goes for coaches too. Lack of effort really stands out and no one wants to get embarrassed. To get where they're got these guys have a lot about them and it's rare to see them take the foot off the pedal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on April 26, 2018, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2018, 12:13:34 PM
Just from what I've seen in past few years watching gridiron closely. There's only 32 NFL teams, and if you're not with one of those, you're nobody. And rosters change as quickly as they're drawn up. So in every match in a season, on an individual level, there's contract renewal concerns and free agency concerns everywhere. Every tackle, catch, interception, fumble is recorded against each player individually and nobody wants black marks against their name. While it doesn't entirely negate the potential for dead rubbers, it certainly helps.

So it's not so much the draft system that pushes this so much as the small number of elite clubs. I doubt soccer will ever enjoy such an elite.

Agree on the soccer point. Drafts only really work in a country with limited external market outside that country at an elite level e.g. US Sports, Aussie Rules etc. However, the number of different Superbowl Champions (and Aussie Rules) over the last 10-15 years is definitely linked to the draft system and the salary cap. You look at the major soccerleagues in the world, apart from Leicester every winner for the past decade or more has come from an elite club and that gap is only widening. At the start over every season there are at least 10 teams with realistic Superbowl aspirations.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
Also a factor is that it's exceedingly dangerous to sacrifice a reasonable season for a stud pick. The draft history is littered with first round busts, and/or injuries. Even that Andrew Luck pick has been blighted by injury the past couple of seasons.

What you do see a little more now is in season trades if a team decides they have to tear it down and rebuild, you'll see high price contracts being traded for draft picks. That is basically tanking, but it's tanking with a reason...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Dont follow the NBA as closely but I think tanking is more prevalent there, NFL is not really a sport where you can go half arsed at it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 26, 2018, 01:17:26 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 26, 2018, 01:01:04 PM
Dont follow the NBA as closely but I think tanking is more prevalent there, NFL is not really a sport where you can go half arsed at it

Tanking is extremely prevalent in the NBA. The 76ers might very well be the best team in the Eastern conference this year, but that's after a result of coordinated, strategic tanking that has got them a lottery pick each year for the last five or so.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 26, 2018, 01:18:11 PM
https://twitter.com/WillGav/status/989470907348418560

QuoteBREAKING: @Jaguars & @FulhamFC owner Shahid Khan set to buy Wembley in deal worth up to £1 billion!

Details below - what does this mean for England? what does this mean for @NFLUK fans? and what does it mean for the Jags?

Permanent NFL team ??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 26, 2018, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 26, 2018, 01:18:11 PM
https://twitter.com/WillGav/status/989470907348418560

QuoteBREAKING: @Jaguars & @FulhamFC owner Shahid Khan set to buy Wembley in deal worth up to £1 billion!

Details below - what does this mean for England? what does this mean for @NFLUK fans? and what does it mean for the Jags?

Permanent NFL team ??
Certainly one step closer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on April 26, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 26, 2018, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on April 26, 2018, 01:18:11 PM
https://twitter.com/WillGav/status/989470907348418560

QuoteBREAKING: @Jaguars & @FulhamFC owner Shahid Khan set to buy Wembley in deal worth up to £1 billion!

Details below - what does this mean for England? what does this mean for @NFLUK fans? and what does it mean for the Jags?

Permanent NFL team ??
Certainly one step closer.

Numbers seem a bit strange on this one based on the BBC report below. Not sure what the debenture is that they are referring to is but if the offere is for £500m for the stadium that cost £757m to build I would be surprised if they go for it. I would have thought an asset like Wembley would be priced at a premium to build cost rather than a 33% discount after a decade of relatively light usage.

"The Football Association has received an offer, thought to be worth £800m, to sell Wembley Stadium.

Shahid Khan, the owner of Fulham and NFL team Jacksonville Jaguars, is the prospective buyer.

It is understood the approach includes £500m for the stadium and £300m for the FA to keep the Club Wembley debenture and hospitality business."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
ALL the talk now is Baker Mayfield to the Browns #1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 26, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
ALL the talk now is Baker Mayfield to the Browns #1

Johnny Manziel V2.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 26, 2018, 03:47:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 26, 2018, 03:30:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on April 26, 2018, 03:26:04 PM
ALL the talk now is Baker Mayfield to the Browns #1

Johnny Manziel V2.

Yeah I can't see it but this being the Browns I wouldn't be surprised
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trailer on April 26, 2018, 04:00:12 PM
I've no idea about this but can someone who's drafted to a team refuse to play for them? Like Cleveland are a bit shit, so could the 1st round pick just down tools and push for a move? Or is this not the done thing?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 26, 2018, 04:05:42 PM
Eli Manning - said he wouldn't play for the Chargers if picked.

They drafted him anyway - although they already had a trade deal in place with the Giants who drafted Phillip Rivers and they swapped players.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 04:07:51 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 26, 2018, 04:00:12 PM
I've no idea about this but can someone who's drafted to a team refuse to play for them? Like Cleveland are a bit shit, so could the 1st round pick just down tools and push for a move? Or is this not the done thing?

John Elway famously refused to play for the Colts when they drafted him in the 1983 draft. He threatened to play baseball with the New York Yankees unless he was traded, and he ended up in Denver.

Strictly speaking, the team that drafts you owns the rights to you, but you still have to sign the contract with them. If you don't sign, they can either kick you out of the league, or else trade you to someone else rather than having a wasted pick.

These days though, all of that is gone through in advance as part of the exhaustive vetting process.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on April 26, 2018, 06:16:09 PM
Can't see Mayfield going as the 1st or 2nd QB. See Minkah Fitzpatrick dropping to 12 as well. Cant figure out why.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on April 26, 2018, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
Well kids, draft round 1 tonight. What do we reckon? If I was the Browns GM, unless I was absolutely taken with one of the top 4 QBs, I'd go Barkley first, and QB in 4th.  If that happens, I think the first 4 spots will stay the same. If the Browns go QB at #1, Barkley will surely be gone by #4, so maybe the Browns will trade down and let maybe the Cardinals or Patriots come up for someone like Rosen, Allen or Mayfield. Allen's stock has risen, but from looking at some of the clips of him last season, his accuracy looks to be a real problem. He threw a country mile at the Combine, but that's not the same as trying to keep your eyes down the field when a 6' 7'' DE is looking to take your head off.

The word is Rosen may slip because people are worried about his 'love' for the game and the fact that he challenges his coaches and needs everything right. Might be me, but I would think a perfectionist like that might fit in with the Patriot way.

For the Cardinals, I'd like them to be in play for Rosen or Mayfield. I don't like Allen's accuracy issues, nor do I like Darnolds USCness. Mason Rudolph might end up being the best QB in the draft, and if he falls, don't be surprised if the Patriots pick him up.  Lamar Jackson is intriguing but he'll only fit certain offences, and he might end up in the second round.

There's other good players at all positions. Bradley Chubb at DE is likely to be a big success, and teams with a pass rush need would love him, but it may be that the Browns take him at 4 if they go QB 1. Calvin Ridley is probably the best receiver in a middling receivers class. Offensive line is probably above average, two good Notre Dame linemen likely to go in round 1, along with a couple of others from Alabama and Georgia. DL strong too. DBs and Linebackers are also strong, and the Alabama safety/db Minkah Fitzpatrick will be coveted. Darrius Guice, the LSU running back might get into the top round as well, but if he doesn't he should be a bargain in round 2.


Here's the current draft order, which can of course change if trades are made.


Round 1

1 CLEVELAND BROWNS
2 NEW YORK GIANTS
3 NEW YORK JETS
4 CLEVELAND BROWNS
5 DENVER BRONCOS
6 INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
7 TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
8 CHICAGO BEARS
9 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
10 OAKLAND RAIDERS
11 MIAMI DOLPHINS
12 BUFFALO BILLS
13 WASHINGTON REDSKINS
14 GREEN BAY PACKERS
15 ARIZONA CARDINALS
16 BALTIMORE RAVENS
17 LOS ANGELES CHARGERS
18 SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
19 DALLAS COWBOYS
20 DETROIT LIONS
21 CINCINNATI BENGALS
22 BUFFALO BILLS
23 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
24 CAROLINA PANTHERS
25 TENNESSEE TITANS
26 ATLANTA FALCONS
27 NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
28 PITTSBURGH STEELERS
29 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
30 MINNESOTA VIKINGS
31 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
32 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

No Picks currently (barring trades) in round 1 for : LOS ANGELES RAMS, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS and HOUSTON TEXANS


This is the latest mock draft from Mike Mayock, note he has some trades predicted. Also worth noting the most accurate draft prediction last year got 11 correct, so treat with caution :)

1 - Cleveland Browns : Sam Darnold, QB, USC
2 - New York Giants : Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
3 - New York Jets : Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
4 - Cleveland Browns : Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
5 - Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, OT, Notre Dame
6 - Buffalo Bills *PREDICTS TRADE WITH COLTS*: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
7 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers : Derwin James, S, Florida State
8 - Chicago Bears : Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
9 - San Francisco 49ers : Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
10 - Oakland Raiders : Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
11 - Miami Dolphins : Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
12 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILLS*: Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama
13 - Washington Redskins : Vita Vea, DT, Washington
14 - Green Bay Packers : Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
15 - Arizona Cardinals  : Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
16 - Baltimore Ravens - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville
17 - Los Angeles Chargers - Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
18 - Seattle Seahawks - Marcus Davenport, DE, UT San Antonio
19 - Dallas Cowboys - Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
20 - Detroit Lions - Harold Landry, DE, Boston College
21 - Cincinnati Bengals - Frank Ragnow, C, Arkansas
22 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILL*: Isiah Wynn, OT, Georgia
23 - New England Patriots : Kolton Miller, OT, UCLA
24 - Carolina Panthers : Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
25 - Tennessee Titans : Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
26 - Atlanta Falcons : Taven Bryan, DT, Florida
27 - New Orleans Saints : D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland
28 - Pittsburgh Steelers : Sony Michel, RB, Georgia
29 - Jacksonville Jaguars : Hayden Hurst , TE, South Carolina
30 - Minnesota Vikings : Will Hernandez, OG, UT El Paso
31 - New England Patriots : James Daniels, C, Iowa
32 - Philadephia Eagles : Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

No Picks in Round 1
What time does this throw in at, or is it on tv?
You know yourself, I'm a typical bogman.

It starts at 1 am irish time. You can follow it on the internet on nfl now. It is on tv in America on nfl network, ESPN and Fox. You can also follow it on the internet on nfl gamepass on nfl network but it is a bit late in the year to be getting that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2018, 09:55:52 PM
Josh Allen has put his foot in it with tweets he made in high school with use of the n word. This came out late last night and he is now trying to limit the damage by apologising.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 10:37:36 PM
Draft is on Sky Sports too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 27, 2018, 12:17:31 AM
I'm with you AZ. I'd like the Browns to  take Barkley 1st because there'll be a decent QB available at #4, but I think it'll be Mayfield, after which I see NYG taking the RB. If so, I'd like CLE to take Chubb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on April 27, 2018, 12:27:10 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 26, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
Quote from: LooseCannon on April 26, 2018, 11:36:01 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 26, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
Well kids, draft round 1 tonight. What do we reckon? If I was the Browns GM, unless I was absolutely taken with one of the top 4 QBs, I'd go Barkley first, and QB in 4th.  If that happens, I think the first 4 spots will stay the same. If the Browns go QB at #1, Barkley will surely be gone by #4, so maybe the Browns will trade down and let maybe the Cardinals or Patriots come up for someone like Rosen, Allen or Mayfield. Allen's stock has risen, but from looking at some of the clips of him last season, his accuracy looks to be a real problem. He threw a country mile at the Combine, but that's not the same as trying to keep your eyes down the field when a 6' 7'' DE is looking to take your head off.

The word is Rosen may slip because people are worried about his 'love' for the game and the fact that he challenges his coaches and needs everything right. Might be me, but I would think a perfectionist like that might fit in with the Patriot way.

For the Cardinals, I'd like them to be in play for Rosen or Mayfield. I don't like Allen's accuracy issues, nor do I like Darnolds USCness. Mason Rudolph might end up being the best QB in the draft, and if he falls, don't be surprised if the Patriots pick him up.  Lamar Jackson is intriguing but he'll only fit certain offences, and he might end up in the second round.

There's other good players at all positions. Bradley Chubb at DE is likely to be a big success, and teams with a pass rush need would love him, but it may be that the Browns take him at 4 if they go QB 1. Calvin Ridley is probably the best receiver in a middling receivers class. Offensive line is probably above average, two good Notre Dame linemen likely to go in round 1, along with a couple of others from Alabama and Georgia. DL strong too. DBs and Linebackers are also strong, and the Alabama safety/db Minkah Fitzpatrick will be coveted. Darrius Guice, the LSU running back might get into the top round as well, but if he doesn't he should be a bargain in round 2.


Here's the current draft order, which can of course change if trades are made.


Round 1

1 CLEVELAND BROWNS
2 NEW YORK GIANTS
3 NEW YORK JETS
4 CLEVELAND BROWNS
5 DENVER BRONCOS
6 INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
7 TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
8 CHICAGO BEARS
9 SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
10 OAKLAND RAIDERS
11 MIAMI DOLPHINS
12 BUFFALO BILLS
13 WASHINGTON REDSKINS
14 GREEN BAY PACKERS
15 ARIZONA CARDINALS
16 BALTIMORE RAVENS
17 LOS ANGELES CHARGERS
18 SEATTLE SEAHAWKS
19 DALLAS COWBOYS
20 DETROIT LIONS
21 CINCINNATI BENGALS
22 BUFFALO BILLS
23 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
24 CAROLINA PANTHERS
25 TENNESSEE TITANS
26 ATLANTA FALCONS
27 NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
28 PITTSBURGH STEELERS
29 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS
30 MINNESOTA VIKINGS
31 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
32 PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

No Picks currently (barring trades) in round 1 for : LOS ANGELES RAMS, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS and HOUSTON TEXANS


This is the latest mock draft from Mike Mayock, note he has some trades predicted. Also worth noting the most accurate draft prediction last year got 11 correct, so treat with caution :)

1 - Cleveland Browns : Sam Darnold, QB, USC
2 - New York Giants : Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State
3 - New York Jets : Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma
4 - Cleveland Browns : Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State
5 - Denver Broncos: Quenton Nelson, OT, Notre Dame
6 - Buffalo Bills *PREDICTS TRADE WITH COLTS*: Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming
7 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers : Derwin James, S, Florida State
8 - Chicago Bears : Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia
9 - San Francisco 49ers : Denzel Ward, CB, Ohio State
10 - Oakland Raiders : Mike McGlinchey, OT, Notre Dame
11 - Miami Dolphins : Tremaine Edmunds, LB, Virginia Tech
12 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILLS*: Minkah Fitzpatrick, S, Alabama
13 - Washington Redskins : Vita Vea, DT, Washington
14 - Green Bay Packers : Jaire Alexander, CB, Louisville
15 - Arizona Cardinals  : Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA
16 - Baltimore Ravens - Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville
17 - Los Angeles Chargers - Da'Ron Payne, DT, Alabama
18 - Seattle Seahawks - Marcus Davenport, DE, UT San Antonio
19 - Dallas Cowboys - Courtland Sutton, WR, SMU
20 - Detroit Lions - Harold Landry, DE, Boston College
21 - Cincinnati Bengals - Frank Ragnow, C, Arkansas
22 - Indianapolis Colts *PREDICTS TRADE WITH BILL*: Isiah Wynn, OT, Georgia
23 - New England Patriots : Kolton Miller, OT, UCLA
24 - Carolina Panthers : Calvin Ridley, WR, Alabama
25 - Tennessee Titans : Rashaan Evans, LB, Alabama
26 - Atlanta Falcons : Taven Bryan, DT, Florida
27 - New Orleans Saints : D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland
28 - Pittsburgh Steelers : Sony Michel, RB, Georgia
29 - Jacksonville Jaguars : Hayden Hurst , TE, South Carolina
30 - Minnesota Vikings : Will Hernandez, OG, UT El Paso
31 - New England Patriots : James Daniels, C, Iowa
32 - Philadephia Eagles : Derrius Guice, RB, LSU

No Picks in Round 1
What time does this throw in at, or is it on tv?
You know yourself, I'm a typical bogman.

It starts at 1 am irish time. You can follow it on the internet on nfl now. It is on tv in America on nfl network, ESPN and Fox. You can also follow it on the internet on nfl gamepass on nfl network but it is a bit late in the year to be getting that.
Thanks, ah feck it, I'm going to bed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 27, 2018, 12:31:52 AM
Be interesting to see who the 49ers take as it looks like Rueben may skate on domestic violence charges a lot of people had them taking Roquan smith at 9 but maybe they take a dB if they think the case against foster will be dropped.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 27, 2018, 01:40:12 AM
Barkley - yes please  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2018, 02:05:00 AM
Rosen might drop to the Cardinals if the Dolphins don't take him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 27, 2018, 05:14:34 AM
Vikings take Mike Hughes corner back UCF. Not who I would have chosen but I trust the decision of the Vikings front office.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2018, 08:32:08 AM
This is why the Browns can't have nice things
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on April 27, 2018, 09:41:24 AM
The draft is a great system, still though, it must be awful to be a 1st round draft pick going to the Browns.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trailer on April 27, 2018, 09:47:03 AM
How well do the 1st picks tend to do? Americans love stats. Is there a percentage of how likely a 1st round pick is to be a success? Who went 1st last year? Were they a success?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2018, 10:18:01 AM
Quote from: trailer on April 27, 2018, 09:47:03 AM
How well do the 1st picks tend to do? Americans love stats. Is there a percentage of how likely a 1st round pick is to be a success? Who went 1st last year? Were they a success?

Myles Garrett went #1 last year to the Browns and yeah I would say he has a very good career ahead of him, hard to judge on one years play. You need to wait 3 or 4 years before judging a draft class.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2018, 08:32:08 AM
This is why the Browns can't have nice things

They are strange, strange people.

Mayfield might be excellent, but I'm amazed at the 4th pick. I'm amazed they didn't trade it, but maybe they didn't get anything juicy. But if they didn't trade it, I'm amazed they didn't pick Chubb, or one of the Notre Dame OLs to help protect Mayfield. Gas men.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 27, 2018, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 10:44:24 AM
Quote from: Minder on April 27, 2018, 08:32:08 AM
This is why the Browns can't have nice things

They are strange, strange people.

Mayfield might be excellent, but I'm amazed at the 4th pick. I'm amazed they didn't trade it, but maybe they didn't get anything juicy. But if they didn't trade it, I'm amazed they didn't pick Chubb, or one of the Notre Dame OLs to help protect Mayfield. Gas men.

Yeah I think passing on Chubb was worse than taking Mayfield #1, who probably would have been there at #4. Garrett & Chubb would have been a great DE pairing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on April 27, 2018, 12:48:59 PM
why was the crowd boo'ing the commissioner? Or who were the heckling?

delighted with the Giants pick. Thought the seahawks made a strange move for a kick return but you never know with P.C
Browns certainly turned the whole thing upside down with their picks. A lot of teams didn't have to trade up to get their targets as a result. Interesting commentary!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on April 27, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
Very happy with Minkah Fitzpatrick to the Dolphins. Probably a top 5 player at pick 11 and will make a nice pairing with Reshad Jones.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 27, 2018, 01:12:06 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

He's up there with Gary Bettman of the NHL in the unlikable stakes.

Rob Manfred and David Silver seem to be well liked
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

I think everyone bar the owners hate him at this stage. And even Jerry Jones (a true expert on dickheads) would rather get rid of him in that group of old, white money grabbers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

I think everyone bar the owners hate him at this stage. And even Jerry Jones (a true expert on d**kheads) would rather get rid of him in that group of old, white money grabbers.

Factually correct :)

Although some* of them are not white,  they are all money grabbers :)

* = 1
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

I think everyone bar the owners hate him at this stage. And even Jerry Jones (a true expert on d**kheads) would rather get rid of him in that group of old, white money grabbers.

Factually correct :)

Although some* of them are not white,  they are all money grabbers :)

* = 1

What do you make of Rosen, AZ? Looks like a cocky bastárd and he's surely going to sit behind Bradford until Big Sam breaks a leg playing chess or something. Being mature enough to use that time to get better and not sulk will probably define if he's a bust or not imho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

I think everyone bar the owners hate him at this stage. And even Jerry Jones (a true expert on d**kheads) would rather get rid of him in that group of old, white money grabbers.

Factually correct :)

Although some* of them are not white,  they are all money grabbers :)

* = 1

What do you make of Rosen, AZ? Looks like a cocky bastárd and he's surely going to sit behind Bradford until Big Sam breaks a leg playing chess or something. Being mature enough to use that time to get better and not sulk will probably define if he's a bust or not imho.

That's it in a nutshell.

I love him as a passer, and the way he throws. He's probably the best pocket passer in the draft. He's mobile, but not a runner. He can step up in the pocket, but I wouldn't expect him to run 15 yards.

He's been injury prone as well, so that'a concern, especially the way the Cardinals OLine has behaved.

All in all I'm happy with him, but he has to listen, learn and improve. If his attitude stinks, he'll be out of there.

To be honest, if Sam Bradford stays healthy, he's probably a very similar player!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 27, 2018, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

I think everyone bar the owners hate him at this stage. And even Jerry Jones (a true expert on d**kheads) would rather get rid of him in that group of old, white money grabbers.

Factually correct :)

Although some* of them are not white,  they are all money grabbers :)

* = 1

What do you make of Rosen, AZ? Looks like a cocky bastárd and he's surely going to sit behind Bradford until Big Sam breaks a leg playing chess or something. Being mature enough to use that time to get better and not sulk will probably define if he's a bust or not imho.

That's it in a nutshell.

I love him as a passer, and the way he throws. He's probably the best pocket passer in the draft. He's mobile, but not a runner. He can step up in the pocket, but I wouldn't expect him to run 15 yards.

He's been injury prone as well, so that'a concern, especially the way the Cardinals OLine has behaved.

All in all I'm happy with him, but he has to listen, learn and improve. If his attitude stinks, he'll be out of there.

To be honest, if Sam Bradford stays healthy, he's probably a very similar player!
rosen doing too much talking needs to stay down and get a couple of snaps before he pipes up, also why is the poster bringing  the color of the owners  up ? Would it be ok to say if the owners were all black ? Jags owner not white btw
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 27, 2018, 06:57:04 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 05:18:37 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 02:50:35 PM
Quote from: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 02:21:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 27, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
Goodell is a pantomime villain, he's absolutely hated by some people, and others just love to give him grief. He's seen as unfair, inconsistent, and his punishments seem to be driven by public outcry rather than any sort of standard.

I think everyone bar the owners hate him at this stage. And even Jerry Jones (a true expert on d**kheads) would rather get rid of him in that group of old, white money grabbers.

Factually correct :)

Although some* of them are not white,  they are all money grabbers :)

* = 1

What do you make of Rosen, AZ? Looks like a cocky bastárd and he's surely going to sit behind Bradford until Big Sam breaks a leg playing chess or something. Being mature enough to use that time to get better and not sulk will probably define if he's a bust or not imho.

That's it in a nutshell.

I love him as a passer, and the way he throws. He's probably the best pocket passer in the draft. He's mobile, but not a runner. He can step up in the pocket, but I wouldn't expect him to run 15 yards.

He's been injury prone as well, so that'a concern, especially the way the Cardinals OLine has behaved.

All in all I'm happy with him, but he has to listen, learn and improve. If his attitude stinks, he'll be out of there.

To be honest, if Sam Bradford stays healthy, he's probably a very similar player!
rosen doing too much talking needs to stay down and get a couple of snaps before he pipes up, also why is the poster bringing  the color of the owners  up ? Would it be ok to say if the owners were all black ? Jags owner not white btw

You just quoted a post that explained exactly now many of them are not white. This is not a complex issue.

The owners of NFL teams are nearly totally old, rich white people mostly divorced from reality in a way only old rich white people can be. Unless you're one of those people who want to pretend the role race plays in the US, and particularly the NFL recently, is not hugely significant?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 27, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
There are only 32 of these cash cows and people tend to keep them in the family
So when one comes up for sale like the panthers will why don't a minority group get together and buy it the nfl only sees one color $,  otherwise what do u think should happen affirmative action for nfl owners. Btw  think chargers owner is a Latino guy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on April 27, 2018, 07:18:15 PM
Quote from: Gmac on April 27, 2018, 07:12:17 PM
There are only 32 of these cash cows and people tend to keep them in the family
So when one comes up for sale like the panthers will why don't a minority group get together and buy it the nfl only sees one color $,  otherwise what do u think should happen affirmative action for nfl owners. Btw  think chargers owner is a Latino guy

Dean Spanos practically radiates colour alight:

(https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/0701_nws_ocr-l-chargers-10.jpg?w=780)

It just happens that colour is white. His family is Greek. We're not getting into family trees here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 28, 2018, 07:53:33 PM
Shaquem Griffin will join his brother on the Seahawks - drafted in the 5th round
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on April 29, 2018, 07:57:56 AM
Those highlight packages you can watch on YouTube that show all the baskets from open play one after the other, are a thing of beauty and if you have the game recorded you can switch to that for the last few minutes in a tight finish.

The Warriors were stunning without Curry last night and it sounds like he's nearly ready to go when they really need him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 02, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on April 29, 2018, 07:57:56 AM
Those highlight packages you can watch on YouTube that show all the baskets from open play one after the other, are a thing of beauty and if you have the game recorded you can switch to that for the last few minutes in a tight finish.

The Warriors were stunning without Curry last night and it sounds like he's nearly ready to go when they really need him.

Curry seems fine
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 03, 2018, 09:58:21 PM
So Matt Ryan getting $100m guaranteed from Falcons, you would assume that will be Rodgers starting point. He could probably push for $130m +
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 04, 2018, 08:08:10 AM
LeBron went off last night with some great support from Love. The fadeaways he was making were crazy. If he can do that and love can actually contribute like he did last night they could still make the finals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on May 04, 2018, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 04, 2018, 08:08:10 AM
LeBron went off last night with some great support from Love. The fadeaways he was making were crazy. If he can do that and love can actually contribute like he did last night they could still make the finals.

Toronto need some big performances or their goose is cooked. They started well last night but when they seemed to have the Cavs on the rack they couldn't make their 9pt lead into 11/13/15 which they needed to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 04, 2018, 11:38:36 AM
The Cavs supporting cast just isn't consistent enough to win it all, I can see them in the Finals but not winning it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 04, 2018, 12:33:08 PM
LeBron is dragging the Cavs there by sheer will - what a game last night he had.  I had forgotten Love was even on the team but he showed up last night.

Missed the second half of the Celtics game but see another win ground out over the 76'ers in a game everyone in the commentary booth were certain Philadelphia were going to win.  Regardless of what happens, what they've done in the playoffs without Irving has been great to watch. Brown was visibly in pain in the first half I'd be surprised to see him play again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 04, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Brown missed a 3 and dunked within about 30 seconds of checking in and it was clear the hamstring was really bothering him. Surprised he played as long as he did
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on May 04, 2018, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 04, 2018, 11:15:00 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 04, 2018, 08:08:10 AM
LeBron went off last night with some great support from Love. The fadeaways he was making were crazy. If he can do that and love can actually contribute like he did last night they could still make the finals.

Toronto need some big performances or their goose is cooked. They started well last night but when they seemed to have the Cavs on the rack they couldn't make their 9pt lead into 11/13/15 which they needed to do.

I watched the first half - the Cavs got 5 points from really bad calls at the end of the 2nd quarter. I'm always amazed at how the commentators in the states never slate the refs. We never stop slating them so there must be a happy medium
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on May 04, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 04, 2018, 11:38:36 AM
The Cavs supporting cast just isn't consistent enough to win it all, I can see them in the Finals but not winning it

What has happened to the 76ers. With all the Boston injuries I really fancied them to get to the east final and then win it. Maybe they still will but it doesn't look good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 06, 2018, 01:09:00 AM
Quote from: straightred on May 04, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 04, 2018, 11:38:36 AM
The Cavs supporting cast just isn't consistent enough to win it all, I can see them in the Finals but not winning it

What has happened to the 76ers. With all the Boston injuries I really fancied them to get to the east final and then win it. Maybe they still will but it doesn't look good

That's them done I would say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 06, 2018, 01:46:26 AM
Id imagine the confetti guy will be looking a new gig in the morning.  Felt like delay killed any momentum 76ers may have had going into overtime.  In fairness in real time i thought it was a three aswell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 06, 2018, 04:14:09 AM
Quote from: straightred on May 04, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 04, 2018, 11:38:36 AM
The Cavs supporting cast just isn't consistent enough to win it all, I can see them in the Finals but not winning it

What has happened to the 76ers. With all the Boston injuries I really fancied them to get to the east final and then win it. Maybe they still will but it doesn't look good

Me too, had them to win the east. Celtics have fairly picked it up though  missing 3 if their stars. Should be a decent series with the Cavs but I won't be betting against lebron pulling them through.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 08, 2018, 12:55:22 PM
Celtics had a chance to close out the series 4-0 last night but luck was not on their side. I counted 4 missed 3 pointers in the last 5 mins of the game that would have put them in front...they were off
Cavs were not in any danger against Toronto last night with LBJ and Love dominating again.

I don't know how you boys back home can sit up to watch these games at night - I'm on the East Coast and egg bagged by about 11
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 08, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
Website called gameframe has good 30/60 minute highlights packages.

Even if Philly somehow win out from here I now believe there's no way LeBron is losing to them. GSW will handle Houston really enough and will get GSW-LeBron IV.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 08, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 08, 2018, 02:27:59 PM
Website called gameframe has good 30/60 minute highlights packages.

Even if Philly somehow win out from here I now believe there's no way LeBron is losing to them. GSW will handle Houston really enough and will get GSW-LeBron IV.

Yeah can't see past GSW, I think they could do Cavs in 5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 08, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
Apprehensive about warriors rockets. Warriors on their day win out handily enough but they just aren't that consistent this year, whilst the rockets are. Can't stand hardens style of play, well the looking for fouls part. Chris Paul really has taken a lot of pressure of him, cause before these play offs he wilted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on May 08, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 08, 2018, 12:55:22 PM
Celtics had a chance to close out the series 4-0 last night but luck was not on their side. I counted 4 missed 3 pointers in the last 5 mins of the game that would have put them in front...they were off
Cavs were not in any danger against Toronto last night with LBJ and Love dominating again.

I don't know how you boys back home can sit up to watch these games at night - I'm on the East Coast and egg bagged by about 11
I can't - i usually watch the 1st half and leave it at that. However 1st half means very little - its that the last 5 mins of the 4th quarter that matter !

Celtics just weren't on it last night. They were in foul trouble early on and missing easy shots. They'll close it out the next night though. Don't think they can beat the Cavs though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 08, 2018, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 08, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
Apprehensive about warriors rockets. Warriors on their day win out handily enough but they just aren't that consistent this year, whilst the rockets are. Can't stand hardens style of play, well the looking for fouls part. Chris Paul really has taken a lot of pressure of him, cause before these play offs he wilted.
Think the Rockets will trouble the Warriors and take it to 6 or 7 games, maybe even beat them. Can't see anyone from the East winning out. LeBron is superhuman but would still need more help than he'll get. Bookies have it as a Warriors v Rockets 2 horse race as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 08, 2018, 05:57:45 PM
Durant + Curry + Klay + Draymond >>>>> Harden + CP3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 08, 2018, 06:18:17 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 08, 2018, 05:57:45 PM
Durant + Curry + Klay + Draymond >>>>> Harden + CP3.

Yeah too many weapons & if they all are on their game forget about it. You would think Durant was made in a lab, 7ft and can run the floor, shoot 3s and he is too long to be blocked shooting a jumper
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 08, 2018, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 08, 2018, 05:57:45 PM
Durant + Curry + Klay + Draymond >>>>> Harden + CP3.

Agreed but then Capela, Tucker, Ariza and Gordon are better than Swaggy, Magee, Livingston, Cook and Looney
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 08, 2018, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 08, 2018, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 08, 2018, 05:57:45 PM
Durant + Curry + Klay + Draymond >>>>> Harden + CP3.

Agreed but then Capela, Tucker, Ariza and Gordon are better than Swaggy, Magee, Livingston, Cook and Looney
Capela had 6 blocks last night and should be a menace at both ends under the basket. When Harden drives to the basket, the alley-oop to Capela is another option that's been working really well and is very difficult to defend. They have the 3 point shooters to potentially stay with the Warriors in a high scoring game. Home court advantage too.

I'd still make the Warriors slight favourites but think it will be close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 09, 2018, 09:02:03 PM
The Warriors i think will win it out, we were coasting during the season and had alot of injuries, Curry has only 40 games this year, so hes pretty fresh. Now everyone is nearly fully fit its hard to see anyone being consistent enough to stop us. Houston are our biggest threat but the Warriors defence is back to normal after going missing towards the end of the season. Pelicans and Spurs are better challenge than Jazz and Timberwolves. The Warriors are built for he play offs mentally, Houston untested.  Greens defensive abilities crucial with iguadalo and too many weapons going forward. It will be super aggressive and on the edge so hopefully we can avoid the technicals. Kerr is one of the greatest coaches too nothing will be left to chance.It will be a great series with Houston having home advantage but i think Warriors will win 4-2.

Living in Vancouver now so its great now to be able to watch at a normal time, ice hockey is great too and NFL primetime and super bowl.  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 12, 2018, 07:43:21 AM
Can't wait for these 2 conference finals now, should be evenly enough matched. Only downside to the conference title games is the earlier start times. 7.30p western times suites me lovely. Childer sleeping and could enjoy, even could as far as catching the 2nd half at the local that has a 9pm happy hour!..going to miss a lot of the games due to bringing the cubs to baseball practice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 15, 2018, 08:54:26 AM
Warriors were a much better balanced team than the Rockets last night. Too much teamwork and too many options for them to handle. Durant and Thompson were a joy to watch. Hard to imagine the Warriors winning without KD now. Green very fortunate not to have been ejected with a 2nd technical on a couple of occasions for roaring at the refs. Had an excellent game too though.

Harden couldn't have done any more offensively and Capela was very good and effective doing what he does. Ariza was a bit unlucky with a couple of calls which got him into foul trouble and the Rockets bench was poor. Mbah a Moute went 0-6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 15, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
Only got to see the first five or so minutes.  Was anything made of the cp3 elbow on KD's butt?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 15, 2018, 09:48:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 15, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
Only got to see the first five or so minutes.  Was anything made of the cp3 elbow on KD's butt?
The commentators just said something about Paul telling Durant to get up or some words to that effect. Paul gets away with a lot of fouls that a bigger man wouldn't, especially in his use of his spare arm when dribbling at defenders.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 15, 2018, 10:30:35 PM
CP3 id the moaniest, whingiest, sneakiest player in the league and has been for years. The Sergio Ramos or the Busquets off the NBA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 16, 2018, 12:46:08 AM
Warriors in bonus territory now. I'm sure they though let's split the opening 2 games so now that can just go for it in the second.

KD was superb last night, difficult to know what the rockets can do to nullify him. Double team him and leave one of klay or Steph open or go one on one and he just dominates that defender
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 16, 2018, 05:29:15 AM
Celtics looked impressive again tonight. Cavs down 2 zip, tough seeing them coming back from them win 3 of 5 games. LBJ scores 42 and they still lose, has he got another level?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 16, 2018, 07:13:02 AM
LeBron in really big trouble. The Cavs D is all over the place. You had lads knocking down massively wide open 3s mere minutes into the game. Be interesting to see if JR gets a ban. Least disgusted flagrant foul you'll see for a while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 17, 2018, 05:49:33 AM
Will be delighted if Celtics gone on to win the East. I can't see them winning the whole thing - the Warriors are just too good, even if they had Irving they still wouldn't have the team to beat them.
If you're not a Cav's fan it is funny to watch them imploding. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 17, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
Heavy beating for the Warriors last night. Durant kept them in touch for 3 quarters but Klay, Green and Steph were all very poor offensively. The Rockets looked a different team with Ariza, Gordon and Tucker all flying.

Warriors fans would have to be worried. Curry's 3 point attempts weren't even close last night and defensively he's being targeted successfully. I'd like to see Livingstone get more minutes at Steph's expense. He's looked good at both ends and his +/-  stats bear that out. Young has done well too when brought in and should get more game time.

The Rockets look the more in-form team of the 2 and have a great chance of winning this.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 17, 2018, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 17, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
The Rockets look the more in-form team of the 2 and have a great chance of winning this.

I agree with the rest of your post but this is nonsense. Harden scored 41 the other night and they were obliterated.

GSW have snatched home court advantage. It's very much still advantage warriors.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 17, 2018, 09:51:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 17, 2018, 11:05:14 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on May 17, 2018, 10:48:48 AM
The Rockets look the more in-form team of the 2 and have a great chance of winning this.

I agree with the rest of your post but this is nonsense. Harden scored 41 the other night and they were obliterated.

GSW have snatched home court advantage. It's very much still advantage warriors.
They do have home advantage but their stars, Durant aside, aren't in great form. Kerr seems to be staying loyal to Curry even though he's been struggling a bit and that could be the losing of it. Having said that, Curry did have some nice drives to the basket and it wouldn't be any great surprise.if his shooting caught fire at home.

Game 3 is set up beautifully. Can't f**king wait for it. Usually watch them back in the morning but will stay up to watch this one live.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 18, 2018, 12:34:34 AM
Think it's just coming down to who is making their shots. If curry and klay play to  their average they win the game. Same in the first game, tucker and Ariza go for 9 and then 40 odd in the second, not to mention Gordon going off.

It's going to be a cracking series, think warriors need to win next 2 to win it though and for that to happen Curry is going to need to find some of his mojo and quick
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
Browns up for the Hard Knocks series.

This should be some clusterfuck
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 20, 2018, 05:09:13 AM
Lebron with plenty of support tonight and a 30 pound win. Hasn't been a close one yet. Pressure on the Warriors tomorrow night
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 20, 2018, 10:33:04 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 20, 2018, 05:09:13 AM
Lebron with plenty of support tonight and a 30 pound win. Hasn't been a close one yet. Pressure on the Warriors tomorrow night
The Celtics were pitiful. They scored 4 points in the first 7 minutes and we're already 16 down, mainly due to their own mistakes and missed open shots. Some great defensive plays from LeBron too and those one handed bounce passes, off the dribble were beautiful. It all stems from him but the supporting cast played well too.

Bill Simmons was talking about fans at the Boston Garden shouting "don't shoot" when Morris or Smart get the ball. You could see why last night and why Brad Stephens is getting so much credit for getting this bunch of players so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 20, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
Stevens is an absolute genius. That was appalling from the Celtics last night. Don't know whether some of them took the night off but their elite defence was obliterated.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 20, 2018, 11:05:38 AM
Celtics have been terrible on the road in the playoffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 21, 2018, 03:21:36 AM
Only one MVP on that court tonight and he was wearing a white #30 jersey
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 21, 2018, 08:33:18 AM
Thought it was going to be more of the same from Curry but what a second half!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 21, 2018, 10:29:33 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 21, 2018, 08:33:18 AM
Thought it was going to be more of the same from Curry but what a second half!

If that's Curry back in the groove I think that could be it for both this series and the finals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 22, 2018, 07:37:22 AM
And just like that the East looks very different. Be interesting to see if a lot of the young Celtics can handle the pressure of giving up a 2-0 lead to LeBron.

Rockets have to win tonight you'd feel, can't see the Warriors blowing a 3-1 lead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on May 22, 2018, 12:26:36 PM
The Celtics switches on the PnR (in the first half in particular) were hard to understand. Then a whole load of missed dunks and layups.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 22, 2018, 02:22:29 PM
Ah the missed dunks were just appalling. Jaylen Brown made sure to stuff one home when they were down 11 with seven seconds left in the fourth and the Cavs were dribbling it out though. Embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 23, 2018, 04:35:25 AM
Rockets back in control. Crazy game of 4 quarters. Warriors blew it in 4th quarter scoring only 12 points.

Curry got hot for a bit in the 3rd but other than that the warriors were off tonight. Need to win in Houston now,going to be tough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 23, 2018, 09:09:09 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 23, 2018, 04:35:25 AM
Rockets back in control. Crazy game of 4 quarters. Warriors blew it in 4th quarter scoring only 12 points.

Curry got hot for a bit in the 3rd but other than that the warriors were off tonight. Need to win in Houston now,going to be tough
A lot of Warriors fans furious with Kerr for not calling the timeout when Klay got stuck with a few seconds left.  Also for benching Curry when he'd caught fire and the Rockets immediately went on a run.

With Klay and Iguadala carrying knocks now and home advantage lost, it's not looking great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 23, 2018, 09:29:37 AM
I see in his post game interview he says that Draymond was trying to call one and that the officials weren't looking towards the bench for him to call one.

The GSW big players all shot poorly and terribly in the 4th. There seemed to be a lot of dumb shot choices too and the ball movement wasn't good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 24, 2018, 03:49:15 PM
Anyone think the Cavs win in 7?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 24, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on May 24, 2018, 03:49:15 PM
Anyone think the Cavs win in 7?

Will take a LeBron game for the ages to do it. 40 point triple double and Love, Korver and JR shooting lights out from 3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 25, 2018, 12:41:12 PM
3-2 Rockets but Chris Paul looked like he did his hamstring.
Very messy but very exciting game.

The Warriors were poor again. Klay was awful in the first half but battled through it and started making some big shots in the 2nd. Curry battled back from a poor start too and again had some great drives to the basket but has lost his shooting mojo. Draymond tried as hard as ever but was sloppy and had 6 turnovers. I thought Durant was very poor last night even though he scored 29 and is like a separate entity on this team. Just seemed to be forcing it all night. dribbling into traffic and taking terrible shots. He made a few great 3s but his performance was worse than his numbers would suggest.

Iggy has been a huge loss obviously.

In the last 2 games the Warriors had possessions to win or tie in the last 30 seconds. They looked clueless and panicked, took bad options and you'd have to blame that on Kerr.

Hard to see Paul being right for the rest of the series and if he is done you'd still have to make the Warriors favorites.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on May 25, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
I don't know if any of us would have predicted the current standings in the conference finals and which teams would be 3-2 up... Some great competitive back and forth games. The playoffs have been excellent viewing, compelling sporting contests - I'm loving it....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 26, 2018, 06:55:31 AM
Crazy stuff from LeBron. Huge Game 7 in store now. Can he do that again after playing 46 minutes?! Celtics haven't lost at home yet this postseason
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 28, 2018, 03:56:18 AM
Goodnight Boston. Delighted. LeBron is probably the GoAT now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 28, 2018, 04:03:02 AM
A real pleasure to watch him - unreal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 28, 2018, 04:06:08 AM
What a game! Go Cavs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 28, 2018, 04:19:42 AM
That was some show from James. Superb entertainment !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 28, 2018, 05:12:37 AM
He's something else.

Cavs will be cannon fodder for whoever wins the West.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2018, 09:53:18 AM
I think this is the season that LeBron deserves the most kudos for. Fair fucks to him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 28, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 28, 2018, 03:56:18 AM
Goodnight Boston. Delighted. LeBron is probably the GoAT now.

What ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 28, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 28, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 28, 2018, 03:56:18 AM
Goodnight Boston. Delighted. LeBron is probably the GoAT now.

What ?

Greatest Of All Time.

I still can't go past Michael Jordan, because I saw him in his pomp and he was incredible. But I haven't seen nearly as much of James or Curry.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 28, 2018, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 28, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 28, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 28, 2018, 03:56:18 AM
Goodnight Boston. Delighted. LeBron is probably the GoAT now.

What ?

Greatest Of All Time.

I still can't go past Michael Jordan, because I saw him in his pomp and he was incredible. But I haven't seen nearly as much of James or Curry.

Same for me. LeBron is amazing though. Jordan will always be one of my heros though and I cannot see him being eclipsed by anyone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 28, 2018, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 28, 2018, 09:53:18 AM
I think this is the season that LeBron deserves the most kudos for. Fair f**ks to him.

I'd be inclined to agree. The roster he has is absolute dogshit. They made an absolute mess of the Irving trade and he's still dragged them to the finals.

Going to revise my earlier assertion that the finals are a foregone conclusion. If the Rockets win through and CP3 is out, Cavs have a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 28, 2018, 12:14:56 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 28, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 28, 2018, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 28, 2018, 03:56:18 AM
Goodnight Boston. Delighted. LeBron is probably the GoAT now.

What ?

Greatest Of All Time.

I still can't go past Michael Jordan, because I saw him in his pomp and he was incredible. But I haven't seen nearly as much of James or Curry.

Yeah I know what he means I just don't see how last nights game decides the debate, not that it can be decided in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 28, 2018, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 28, 2018, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 28, 2018, 09:53:18 AM
I think this is the season that LeBron deserves the most kudos for. Fair f**ks to him.

I'd be inclined to agree. The roster he has is absolute dogshit. They made an absolute mess of the Irving trade and he's still dragged them to the finals.

Going to revise my earlier assertion that the finals are a foregone conclusion. If the Rockets win through and CP3 is out, Cavs have a chance.

Yeah I don't give them much of a chance against GSW, but I think they do against Houston. Cavs 9/2 to win the finals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 28, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
Sadly, I fear that the Cavs will be devoured by either GSW or Hou, but then again, I never imagined that they'd win win the East with one player and four plastic cones (ie minus Love).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 28, 2018, 08:38:59 PM
Igadualo and CP3 are out for tonight, id expect both to play some part in the finals whoever gets there.

Think we will win tonight, that 2nd half under that pressure at home was unreal the other night. Thompson really pulled us through. We are going to be super aggressive in defence tonight so id expect to win just. They are dangerous especially at home. Durant was off form the last 2 matches, he'll deliver tonight. Curry still finding his feet after injury. Green the ultimate competitior and defender. We need our bench to give those guys a rest, think that maybe the Rockets downfall only using 6/7 players. They'll tire without CP3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 28, 2018, 08:45:26 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 28, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
Sadly, I fear that the Cavs will be devoured by either GSW or Hou, but then again, I never imagined that they'd win win the East with one player and four plastic cones (ie minus Love).

When that player is LeBron James anything is possible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on May 28, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
I hope your anything possible truism comes to pass, Syf, but I'll say this, as brilliant as Michael Jordan was, I don't think he could have made it to the Finals with this team. Of course, we'll never know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bennydorano on May 29, 2018, 12:41:35 AM
Who is the greatest Lebron v Jordan https://youtu.be/rmM1REPNg_M
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on May 29, 2018, 12:51:26 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on May 28, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
I hope your anything possible truism comes to pass, Syf, but I'll say this, as brilliant as Michael Jordan was, I don't think he could have made it to the Finals with this team. Of course, we'll never know.

Physically he isn't the sort of genetic freak that James is. He had a great mentality but it's hard to argue that James doesn't have that too given what we've seen over the last decade. I'd love him to win this one, it would be storybook stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 29, 2018, 02:49:21 AM
This has been a fun start! Rockets have come out hard and has crowd well into it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on May 29, 2018, 04:00:06 AM
Crowd not so much in it now. Warriors with a great second half showing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 29, 2018, 04:36:32 AM
Warriors come good in the second half again. Paul a massive loss for them but rockets missed like 26 3's in a row at one stage, which is no were near good enough. Would even argue Harden came up short again in a play off game. Yes he got 32 points but he shot 29 times and was only 2/13 on 3'a.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on May 29, 2018, 04:42:52 AM
That wasn't even basketball. What the hell? KD and Curry made some absolutely ridiculous 3s.
Some weird officiating in that game tonight. Paul available would have made some difference.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 29, 2018, 08:23:59 AM
Dunno how much difference CP3 would have made as Gordon played exceptionally. Houston left it behind them for sure as GSW were off, especially from 3 in the first half and Klay had three early fouls. Warriors, and Steph in particular, really caught fire after halftime and that was that. Houston missing 27 straight efforts from 3 was just appalling.

Two poor enough Game 7s it has to be said.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 29, 2018, 09:16:19 AM
I think Paul would have made the difference. Paul was the one who kept them going in the 3rd quarter in game 5. Gordon was playing a lot of minutes and playing really well with Paul there, so I don't think it's an either/or situation. I agree that Gordon was brilliant and so was Capela. Harden was unlucky with a few calls when he looked to have been fouled shooting for 3 but I'm delighted that sneaky tactic, which Houston have perfected of waiting for a bit of contact and throwing up a 3, backfired. Warriors got the calls last night but delighted for D'Antoni too, who is hateful with his constant barracking of the refs.

The Warriors shot pretty well aside from Draymond, who the Rockets were happy to leave open. Steph was heroic again in the 3rd and turned the game. He is a joy to watch and a great competitor. Durant broke the Rocket's hearts with some ridiculous shots while being defended perfectly. He plays a bit soft though and only had 5 rebounds in 44 minutes. Steph had 8. Gordon beat KD for one 50/50 rebound when the Warriors were struggling. The offensive rebounding of the Rockets was killing them and they were very lucky to be still in it at half-time thanks to poor Rockets shooting.  Draymond  has to take a lot of the responsibility for all those rebounds too and he had a lot of turnovers again. One of the commentators was raving about his performance but I thought he was sloppy again. Klay was very good while he was on the court but those early fouls were really dumb and put his team in big trouble.

With Iggy due back soon they should be able to put the Cavs away in 4 or 5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 29, 2018, 06:49:07 PM
Agreed...it's not so much Paul replacing Gordon but having them both available. When Paul is resting you have Gordon to come in, as opposed to say Green. Houston were also only using 7 or so players so that must've taken a toll of them. Paul being available would've shared the workload.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on May 29, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
Warriors would of won in 5 had Iggy and CP3 being fit all through, you do realise we beat Houston twice with CP3 playing.. However without Iggy, CP3 would of made a difference, definitely would of been closer late on so we did get a bit of luck with his injury. Hard luck to Houston.

Cant see anything other than GSW win in the finals, East conference looked weaker than the West. Boston did unreal without Irving. Massive respect for LeBron though, one of the greatest sports people of all time. Hope its more relaxing than he last couple of matches. Home court advantage = GSW in 5.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on May 30, 2018, 04:58:49 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on May 29, 2018, 08:30:58 PM
Warriors would of won in 5 had Iggy and CP3 being fit all through, you do realise we beat Houston twice with CP3 playing.. However without Iggy, CP3 would of made a difference, definitely would of been closer late on so we did get a bit of luck with his injury. Hard luck to Houston.

Cant see anything other than GSW win in the finals, East conference looked weaker than the West. Boston did unreal without Irving. Massive respect for LeBron though, one of the greatest sports people of all time. Hope its more relaxing than he last couple of matches. Home court advantage = GSW in 5.
Not sure if they'd have done it in 5 but hard to argue they wouldn't have won with Iggy given they were leading 2-1 and had just won by 40 points in the game where he got the injury. They were never as vulnerable as they were without him though and it was there for the taking for the Rockets.

Hard to know what to make of the injury reports and if they are true, there's no guarantee he'll be back. The Love injury reports are also unclear but he looked fine attending game 7 and my uneducated guess is that we'll see him in game 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 30, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
Mad story here - https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/29/17406750/bryan-colangelo-philadelphia-76ers-twitter-joel-embiid-anonymous-markelle-fultz

QuoteIn February, The Ringer received an anonymous tip that Bryan Colangelo, the Philadelphia 76ers' president of basketball operations, had been secretly operating five Twitter accounts. Since then, we have scrutinized and archived those accounts in an attempt to verify the source's claims that the longtime NBA executive has been using them as a platform to:

  • Criticize NBA players, including Joel Embiid, Jahlil Okafor, and Nerlens Noel
  • Publicly debate the decisions of his own coaching staff, as well as critique former Sixers general manager Sam Hinkie and Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri
  • Telegraph the 2017 trade in which the Sixers acquired the no. 1 overall pick that would become Markelle Fultz
  • Disclose nonpublic medical information about Okafor and gossip about Embiid and Fultz to members of the national and Philadelphia media
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on May 31, 2018, 11:15:20 PM
Anyone want to call it ?

Warriors in 6 (if Le Bron gets anything like close to some help) could be a sweep if he doesent
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2018, 12:09:10 AM
Quote from: Minder on May 31, 2018, 11:15:20 PM
Anyone want to call it ?

Warriors in 6 (if Le Bron gets anything like close to some help) could be a sweep if he doesent

Warriors in 5. They've been taking nights off all year. Think they'll do it here once, which is enough for LeBron to grab one if playing 48 mins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 01, 2018, 04:30:52 AM
What was JR Smith thinking?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 01, 2018, 04:51:01 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on June 01, 2018, 04:30:52 AM
What was JR Smith thinking?

Can't work that out! But what a f**king game, that had everything, lebron with 51 points and they still lose. Cav's Thompson getting thrown out (swinging) at the end means he misses the next game right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 01, 2018, 05:25:51 AM
For those who haven't seen this...Score level right at the end of the game.  Cavs have a free throw to go 1 up with 4.6 seconds left.  Free throw missed but JR Smith (Cavs) grabs the rebound and, instead of passing to an open LeBron James, heads for the sidelines with the ball.  Too late to get a good shot of when he finally gives the ball to a team mate.  Seems the lipreaders caught JR Smith saying "I thought we were ahead" immediately thereafter.  Warriors win in overtime by 10 - big row at the end of overtime as well.

Cleveland rebounding was huge.

Refs were poor on both teams.

Roll on Game 2 on Sunday.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2018, 11:08:26 AM
Mental stuff altogether. JR is just an absolute Muppet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on June 01, 2018, 11:15:11 AM
Is it fair to say LeBron is better than Jordan was...? Asking, not telling........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 01, 2018, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2018, 11:08:26 AM
Mental stuff altogether. JR is just an absolute Muppet.

He is still maintaining he knew the score was tied
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on June 01, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 01, 2018, 11:15:11 AM
Is it fair to say LeBron is better than Jordan was...? Asking, not telling........
That's the big social media debate at the moment. I believe LeBron is better.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 01, 2018, 01:04:34 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on June 01, 2018, 12:00:47 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on June 01, 2018, 11:15:11 AM
Is it fair to say LeBron is better than Jordan was...? Asking, not telling........
That's the big social media debate at the moment. I believe LeBron is better.

If you where lucky (old) enough to see them both in their prime, just be thankful
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2018, 01:13:08 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 01, 2018, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2018, 11:08:26 AM
Mental stuff altogether. JR is just an absolute Muppet.

He is still maintaining he knew the score was tied

Yeah, that's horseshit from him. He was suggesting LeBron tried to call a timeout. Throwing the best player of his generation, and possibly of all time, under the bus when he's desperately trying to win you a second championship you've no right to doesn't seem all that...wise.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on June 01, 2018, 01:48:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 01, 2018, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 01, 2018, 11:08:26 AM
Mental stuff altogether. JR is just an absolute Muppet.

He is still maintaining he knew the score was tied

Just watched it - he must have thought they were ahead as he a clean shot immediately after her won the rebound - terrible mistake !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 04, 2018, 07:08:03 AM
Straight forward enough win for the Warriors tonight. Curry breaks the record for most 3's in a finals game, KD as efficient as ever, Clay continuing his form, big performances from JeVale and Livingston, and...and a David West 3!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 04, 2018, 07:23:09 AM
Some of Curry's 3s, the one over Love in particular, were insane.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on June 04, 2018, 02:09:09 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 04, 2018, 07:23:09 AM
Some of Curry's 3s, the one over Love in particular, were insane.
That was a ludicrous shot and yet not that surprising because it was him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 04, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
Would say GSW will win at least one of these two road games
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 04, 2018, 06:57:25 PM
Would say so, Minder.  Had to say that one play makes or breaks a series, but that Game 1 block against LBJ that was reversed was crucial.  Cavs needed that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 07, 2018, 07:25:40 AM
Splash bros combine for 21 and still win. KD just unbelievable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 08:05:50 AM
Sweep sweep sweep.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.

JR Smith looked a hell of a lot better the year they won the title and less of a punchline than he does now. LeBron didn't want Cleveland to trade Irving. With him this year the Cavs has a very solid shot of winning out, but instead tried to hedge their bets and ended up with a pile of trash that only makes it more likely they'll enter 2019 without either of their star players from last year on the roster. It has to go down as one of the worst and most stupid trades in recent NBA history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 07, 2018, 02:29:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.

Yep and running Irving out of town
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.

JR Smith looked a hell of a lot better the year they won the title and less of a punchline than he does now. LeBron didn't want Cleveland to trade Irving. With him this year the Cavs has a very solid shot of winning out, but instead tried to hedge their bets and ended up with a pile of trash that only makes it more likely they'll enter 2019 without either of their star players from last year on the roster. It has to go down as one of the worst and most stupid trades in recent NBA history.

They gave JR a contract that would pay him considerably more in 4 years than he had earned in his 12 year career up to that point. He was never close to that kind of player. They gave Thompson $82m for Christ's sake. LeBron has played both GM and coach at various points since he moved back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on June 07, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
I can't see a sweep happening. It could even go to 3-3 given the last few finals.  This is the time of year I begin to doubt if TV money comes in to play here and all of a sudden the Cavs come back and win 2 or 3 on the trot....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 04:55:41 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on June 07, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
I can't see a sweep happening. It could even go to 3-3 given the last few finals.  This is the time of year I begin to doubt if TV money comes in to play here and all of a sudden the Cavs come back and win 2 or 3 on the trot....

The only way a sweep doesn't happen is if the Warriors play half assed. They're just vastly superior as a team and are even better with Iggy back.

No way Cleveland bring it back to 3-3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 05:20:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.

JR Smith looked a hell of a lot better the year they won the title and less of a punchline than he does now. LeBron didn't want Cleveland to trade Irving. With him this year the Cavs has a very solid shot of winning out, but instead tried to hedge their bets and ended up with a pile of trash that only makes it more likely they'll enter 2019 without either of their star players from last year on the roster. It has to go down as one of the worst and most stupid trades in recent NBA history.

They gave JR a contract that would pay him considerably more in 4 years than he had earned in his 12 year career up to that point. He was never close to that kind of player. They gave Thompson $82m for Christ's sake. LeBron has played both GM and coach at various points since he moved back.

No one's saying it's a good contract but it was inevitable that when you're a key piece of a championship winning team your market value is at an all-time high.

The Iriving trade has more to do with the Cavs not being able to compete this year than it does with the contract situation. The Cavs should have told Irving to cop on and that if he wanted to leave it would only happen after this season. There's no reason they had to move him when they did, and it didn't even help them insulate for a post-LeBron future either so it worked under none of the possible criteria for a successful trade. The Cavs will go back to being basement dwellers if LeBron leaves as is very likely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 07, 2018, 05:55:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.

JR Smith looked a hell of a lot better the year they won the title and less of a punchline than he does now. LeBron didn't want Cleveland to trade Irving. With him this year the Cavs has a very solid shot of winning out, but instead tried to hedge their bets and ended up with a pile of trash that only makes it more likely they'll enter 2019 without either of their star players from last year on the roster. It has to go down as one of the worst and most stupid trades in recent NBA history.

They gave JR a contract that would pay him considerably more in 4 years than he had earned in his 12 year career up to that point. He was never close to that kind of player. They gave Thompson $82m for Christ's sake. LeBron has played both GM and coach at various points since he moved back.

Yeah and Thompson & JR Smith just happened to be represented by James agent (and close friend) Smith signed his mega deal with the Cavs shortly after joining the same agent as James

I just can't join the dots..........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on June 07, 2018, 06:03:40 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 05:20:27 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 07, 2018, 01:47:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.

That's demonstrably not true, at least in part. LeBron is singularly responsible for the massive contracts that Thompson and JR got which have the Cavs bogged down.

JR Smith looked a hell of a lot better the year they won the title and less of a punchline than he does now. LeBron didn't want Cleveland to trade Irving. With him this year the Cavs has a very solid shot of winning out, but instead tried to hedge their bets and ended up with a pile of trash that only makes it more likely they'll enter 2019 without either of their star players from last year on the roster. It has to go down as one of the worst and most stupid trades in recent NBA history.

They gave JR a contract that would pay him considerably more in 4 years than he had earned in his 12 year career up to that point. He was never close to that kind of player. They gave Thompson $82m for Christ's sake. LeBron has played both GM and coach at various points since he moved back.

No one's saying it's a good contract but it was envitqble that when you're a key piece of a championship winning team your market value is at an all-time high.

The Iriving trade has more to do with the Cavs not being able to compete this year than it does with the contract situation. The Cavs should have told Irving to cop on and that if he wanted to leave it would only happen after this season. There's no reason they had to move him when they did, and it didn't even help them insulate for a post-LeBron future either so it worked under none of the possible criteria for a successful trade. The Cavs will go back to being basement dwellers if LeBron leaves as is very likely.

Another example of you talking out of your hole Syf. Irving's trade was about getting away from Lebron and his ball-hogging. Irving needed in his own words ''to become the best he could be''. Lebron wasn't letting him do that. The Cav's can't compete this year??? They're in the finals, and in a super competitive game 1 they lost, with Kyrie the Warriors were gone. Game 1 took a massive mind-numb from Smith to save GS. Game 2 it took a super human 3rd/4th from Steph, and now last night it took KD's superhero effort. Like it or lump it Lebron's need to be the alpha male and let no-one grow along with him has cost more Championships than he has won.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 08, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
Looks like the caps are going to win the ice skating dancing game thing against the new team in Vegas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on June 08, 2018, 04:49:39 AM
Quote from: heganboy on June 08, 2018, 02:31:39 AM
Looks like the caps are going to win the ice skating dancing game thing against the new team in Vegas.

Caps dominated this series and deserved their first cup in 44 years.

NHL is the best Professional sport period.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 08, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.
Why?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 08, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.
Why?

KD. Green. Kerr. The best team in the league buying the second best player in the league, creating a massive imbalance might be the biggest one. Very hard to appreciate them removed from the reason they are so good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 08, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Don't personally get the hate for the Warriors either. KD aside, they're built from the ground up and the game they play is stunning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2018, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 08, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Don't personally get the hate for the Warriors either. KD aside, they're built from the ground up and the game they play is stunning.

This!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 08, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Don't personally get the hate for the Warriors either. KD aside, they're built from the ground up and the game they play is stunning.

The second best player on Earth teaming up with the best team on Earth aside it would be easier to like them alright. I hope LeBron and George form a super team or Houston get another piece to beat them down before they drown in luxury tax and the team implodes itself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 08, 2018, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 08, 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Don't personally get the hate for the Warriors either. KD aside, they're built from the ground up and the game they play is stunning.

The second best player on Earth teaming up with the best team on Earth aside it would be easier to like them alright. I hope LeBron and George form a super team or Houston get another piece to beat them down before they drown in luxury tax and the team implodes itself.

LeBron would know a thing or two about super teams alright. Cleveland have paid an absolute fortune in luxury tax over the last few years.

KD is one superstar player who has gone to the Warriors and obviously improves the team. Nobody ever mentions their continued smart draft picks or getting the most out of veterans. Kerr has turned JaVale f**king Magee into a competent NBA player ffs.

KD is going to opt out this summer and re-sign for a hell of a lot more than he's currently on. It'll put the squeeze in then but there'll be no impressions.

Good player wants to win titles and moves to good team. Really don't get the controversy over all of this. In football, it's a shock when it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 08, 2018, 10:01:17 PM
Yeah what team wouldn't want the second best player in the league ?! Well maybe whoever Le Bron plays for
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 08, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Kerr is a superb coach and seems to be a top bloke too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 08, 2018, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 08, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Kerr is a superb coach and seems to be a top bloke too.

Yeah I know Syferus is most likely trolling but I can't see the beef with Kerr and GSW.

I love watching Durant, 6ft 11 and can run the floor, shoot jumpers & 3s off the dribble, pass like a guard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 08, 2018, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 08, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Kerr is a superb coach and seems to be a top bloke too.

Yeah I know Syferus is most likely trolling but I can't see the beef with Kerr and GSW.

Err, what part of that looks like trolling? GSW are despised by the general NBA audience. I don't think any other team right now even comes close to the level of vitriol they've engendered. I'm far from being on my own on this no matter what you or anyone else here thinks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 08, 2018, 11:50:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 08, 2018, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 08, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Kerr is a superb coach and seems to be a top bloke too.

Yeah I know Syferus is most likely trolling but I can't see the beef with Kerr and GSW.

Err, what part of that looks like trolling? GSW are despised by the general NBA audience. I don't think any other team right now even comes close to the level of vitriol they've engendered. I'm far from being on my own on this no matter what you or anyone else here thinks.

I think vitriol is pushing it, I'm sure they arent popular because they are so dominant
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2018, 11:54:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 11:43:25 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 08, 2018, 11:37:25 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on June 08, 2018, 10:29:38 PM
Kerr is a superb coach and seems to be a top bloke too.

Yeah I know Syferus is most likely trolling but I can't see the beef with Kerr and GSW.

Err, what part of that looks like trolling? GSW are despised by the general NBA audience. I don't think any other team right now even comes close to the level of vitriol they've engendered. I'm far from being on my own on this no matter what you or anyone else here thinks.

I live in California in an area with probably a 50/50 split between lakers and Dub fans, some Kings fans then just mixture of other teams and have never experienced much hatred towards the warriors, and especially not towards Kerr. Green is one of those figures who you love in your team but hate if he plays for anyone else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 09, 2018, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 08, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.
Why?

KD. Green. Kerr. The best team in the league buying the second best player in the league, creating a massive imbalance might be the biggest one. Very hard to appreciate them removed from the reason they are so good.
Imagine stating Steve Kerr as a reason for not liking a team. I'm 36 Yrs old and that is one the most insanely ridiculous statements I've read in my lifetime. The Man is an absolute gent on/off the court with awakened political views beyond his own self interest. Clearly you haven't a clue, completely uninformed and probably best not to comment rather than expose your lack of any knowledge on this.

KD and Green I can understand and most of the lads have alluded to KD already, but its just resentment and jealously, KD does more than most for charity, Green is just a unbelievable competitor who's on the edge all the time. As our last line of defence is in the thick of it. Rubs people up the wrong way and shoots from the hip with his mouth.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 09, 2018, 01:17:33 AM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 09, 2018, 12:05:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 08, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 08, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on June 07, 2018, 01:32:06 PM
The Warriors are impossible to like. If LeBron has to leave Cleveland to form a proper threat to them then so be it. And hopefully the locals won't start burning his jersey this time, it's not his fault he's being supported by cardboard cutouts.
Why?

KD. Green. Kerr. The best team in the league buying the second best player in the league, creating a massive imbalance might be the biggest one. Very hard to appreciate them removed from the reason they are so good.
Imagine stating Steve Kerr as a reason for not liking a team. I'm 36 Yrs old and that is one the most insanely ridiculous statements I've read in my lifetime. The Man is an absolute gent on/off the court with awakened political views beyond his own self interest. Clearly you haven't a clue, completely uninformed and probably best not to comment rather than expose your lack of any knowledge on this.

KD and Green I can understand and most of the lads have alluded to KD already, but its just resentment and jealously, KD does more than most for charity, Green is just a unbelievable competitor who's on the edge all the time. As our last line of defence is in the thick of it. Rubs people up the wrong way and shoots from the hip with his mouth.

Kerr is most of those things but he's far from anything special with regards to 'awkward political views' in the NBA. The players are very socially conscious and Pop has said as much as Kerr ever has in that regard, for example.

You seem to have a bit of a man crush on him but Kerr is known to have been a cocky little so-and-so  in his own playing days; Jordan once punched him in the face. As a coach he tries to hide a level of arrogance behind being forthright; he even admitted to tiring of the humble act at times himself so this is coming from the horse's mouth. I'm sure you have to be somewhat arrogance in that world but that doesn't mean I have to like it. Kerr also gets too much credit for a team that was essentially ready to go the moment he arrived. He took them over the edge, but they got to that edge by themselves.

He's like a cross between Jim Gavin's smirking grins and Jurgen Klopp's gurning cheerleading when it comes to his public persona. He's just the smallest part of why people hate the Warriors but he is a part of it alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 09, 2018, 05:01:05 AM
Rather easy in the end. Close, close call on MVP with game 3 obviously winning it for KD.

Very strange the bar I was in was in full support for the 'impossible to like' warriors but hey sure what do I know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on June 09, 2018, 05:36:21 AM
New York was pretty much a Dubs city this week...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 09, 2018, 01:17:33 AMKerr is known to have been a cocky little so-and-so  in his own playing days

You worship at the altar of Cam Newton ffs!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on June 09, 2018, 10:08:27 AM
Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 09, 2018, 01:17:33 AMKerr is known to have been a cocky little so-and-so  in his own playing days

You worship at the altar of Cam Newton ffs!

:) :) :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
So LeBron played the final three games with a banjaxed hand after punching a whiteboard in the aftermath of game one. The official line is that it was in relation to the charge/blocking call being overturned between him and KD bit I don't think JR will be phoning him any time soon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 09, 2018, 02:36:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 09, 2018, 09:22:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on June 09, 2018, 01:17:33 AMKerr is known to have been a cocky little so-and-so  in his own playing days

You worship at the altar of Cam Newton ffs!

I like Cam because he single-handedly won Auburn it's first championship since the 1940s. Look, I have little against Kerr personally. I was just pointing out he wasn't perfect nor the only socially forward voice in the NBA. Pop being in Texas probably makes his stances more meaningful too, in Oakland Kerr is preaching to the choir. He just happens to be the face of an organisation that is very hard to like.

NBA play is at an all-time high but GSW have drained so much of the interest out of for me and probably a lot of others too. KD leaving a contender to join the best team in the league was some weak-ass stuff. Even LeBron forming a super team in Miami was less agregious than what he did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on June 09, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Still really angry that that almost all the Cavs rolled over and played dead, esp. LBJ. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on July 02, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
LeLaker. This must mean the Lakers are working on another big move because LeBron wouldn't sign to be on a team that can't contend right away.

Anything to stop the Warriors, even a resurgent Lakers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on July 02, 2018, 02:23:50 AM
This time, no televised Decision. I failed against him last time, but he came back and won a championship for a trophy-starved city. Now it's basement time for us. Maybe the Indians can win it, or perhaps the Browns can win three games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 02, 2018, 06:01:31 AM
If Leonard ends up at the Lakers as well (although that will probably not be to next year), if could make things very interesting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 02, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
Lakers was always the lead contender by all accounts but a small part of me wished he'd go to San Antonio. LeBron and Pop together Vs the Warriors would be something else.

Fair play to LeBron as this will be his biggest challenge yet. Whether it's Kawhi or PG13, there'll be one more star joining this summer at least bit make no mistake, the Lakers are a poor outfit. The West will be much tougher for him. Boston and Philly will have the run of the East for years to come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 02, 2018, 08:02:15 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 02, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
Lakers was always the lead contender by all accounts but a small part of me wished he'd go to San Antonio. LeBron and Pop together Vs the Warriors would be something else.

Fair play to LeBron as this will be his biggest challenge yet. Whether it's Kawhi or PG13, there'll be one more star joining this summer at least bit make no mistake, the Lakers are a poor outfit. The West will be much tougher for him. Boston and Philly will have the run of the East for years to come.

Did Paul George not sign a 4 year deal with OKC?

Boston and 6ers definitely look to be the best but also like the Pacers and the Bucks in the east
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 02, 2018, 09:57:45 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on July 02, 2018, 08:02:15 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 02, 2018, 07:54:06 AM
Lakers was always the lead contender by all accounts but a small part of me wished he'd go to San Antonio. LeBron and Pop together Vs the Warriors would be something else.

Fair play to LeBron as this will be his biggest challenge yet. Whether it's Kawhi or PG13, there'll be one more star joining this summer at least bit make no mistake, the Lakers are a poor outfit. The West will be much tougher for him. Boston and Philly will have the run of the East for years to come.

Did Paul George not sign a 4 year deal with OKC?

Boston and 6ers definitely look to be the best but also like the Pacers and the Bucks in the east

Just looked it up. George staying in OKC alright, missed that altogether.

Pacers are good but need someone at least as good as Oladipo to push on and become contenders. Same for Milwaukee, Giannis needs help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 02, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
Kam Chancellor has had to retire due to risk of paralysis. Was a damn good football player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 02, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
Is this a basketball move for James or a lifestyle one ? Even if they get Leonard you would doubt it's enough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on July 02, 2018, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on July 02, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
Is this a basketball move for James or a lifestyle one ? Even if they get Leonard you would doubt it's enough

Magic Johnson isn't building an also-ran.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Paudi Meehan on July 02, 2018, 06:02:29 PM

Looks like Lebron knows more than we do at this point
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 03, 2018, 01:39:49 AM
Boogie Cousins to the GSW
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on July 03, 2018, 01:55:32 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 03, 2018, 01:39:49 AM
Boogie Cousins to the GSW

This is getting fûcking stupid.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 03, 2018, 02:10:37 AM
Agreed - now all 5 of their starters were All-Stars last year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 03, 2018, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on July 03, 2018, 01:39:49 AM
Boogie Cousins to the GSW

Ha ha love it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 03, 2018, 08:02:21 AM
Boogie is coming off a torn Achilles, wasn't wanted anywhere and was available on the cheap. Brilliant deal for both parties.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 03, 2018, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 03, 2018, 08:02:21 AM
Boogie is coming off a torn Achilles, wasn't wanted anywhere and was available on the cheap. Brilliant deal for both parties.

Got him for 1 year at $5.3 million.  He won't play till January at the earliest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 03, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on July 03, 2018, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 03, 2018, 08:02:21 AM
Boogie is coming off a torn Achilles, wasn't wanted anywhere and was available on the cheap. Brilliant deal for both parties.

Got him for 1 year at $5.3 million.  He won't play till January at the earliest.

Exactly. The Warriors get the chance to have one of the most talented big men of the last few decades at bargain basement price. If it works out, they're rented him for a year for next to nothing. If he's either incapable of it physically or gets up to his usual nonsense, he's gone in a year.

Boogie gets the chance to chase a ring while coming back from a career threatening injury. Behave himself and play well, he'll be in line for a max contract next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 10, 2018, 06:04:28 PM
If these reports about Shady McCoy are true - the f**ker needs to be in prison and not the NFL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on July 12, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
Great article!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/us-sport-s-obsession-with-the-military-is-commercial-patriotism-1.3561513
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on July 12, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 12, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
Great article!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/us-sport-s-obsession-with-the-military-is-commercial-patriotism-1.3561513

To be honest I think this is old news. This has been flagged (no pun intended) for a good few years now. The NFL was the worst culprit and they admitted getting cash to have these displays or whatever.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on July 12, 2018, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on July 12, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Quote from: screenexile on July 12, 2018, 01:11:29 PM
Great article!!

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/us-sport-s-obsession-with-the-military-is-commercial-patriotism-1.3561513

To be honest I think this is old news. This has been flagged (no pun intended) for a good few years now. The NFL was the worst culprit and they admitted getting cash to have these displays or whatever.

I know the NFL have been nailed and rightly so but this "A Military Tribute at the Greenbrier" nonsense needs to be called out. . . where are all theses tributes at when the VA is struggling so badly?!

I appreciate guys who serve their country but it's gone WAY too far in America!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 10, 2018, 02:43:04 AM
That awkward moment when the Browns give you hope. Then again, perfect in pre-season last year, and then zip. But Taylor and Mayfield both looked good. No running game, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 16, 2018, 11:57:17 PM
Well, Dez Bryant visited the Browns today. Call me a cynic, but I don't think he really wants to play here. In fact, I think he just wants to be featured on the show Hard Knocks. If he does sign, and Josh Gordon returns, there just aren't enough balls to go around to please them and Jarvis Landry (who's been looking v. good). The Browns have enough issues without the addition of a diva. But if he does sign, he'll have to prove himself. Landry is #1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 17, 2018, 12:28:01 AM
Landry is just a nickel and dime possession receiver. Bryant is the sort of big physical wideout any team needs, crazy he hasn't caught on somewhere yet even despite a couple down seasons, he's extremely talented. He's going to be on his best behaviour wherever he signs and it's not like he could make the Browns any worse than 0-16..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 17, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
Depends on the price. Bryant can't get open so anyone sensible won't pay too much for him. Still possibly a top RZ threat though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 17, 2018, 03:42:47 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2018, 12:28:01 AM
Landry is just a nickel and dime possession receiver. Bryant is the sort of big physical wideout any team needs, crazy he hasn't caught on somewhere yet even despite a couple down seasons, he's extremely talented. He's going to be on his best behaviour wherever he signs and it's not like he could make the Browns any worse than 0-16..

The Browns may need him. Calloway looks good, but he can't get out of his own way off the field. Gordon the same. Landry does look decent so far, and I think he may have been held back in Miami. He had the lowest YPC in the league nearly. But he looks to have pace, so maybe it was a scheme issue. I read something like his average route distance was 3.6 yards or something.

I think Bryant could be useful for them, and as you say ,it's not going to be worse than 0-16. Hue Jackson surely is gone if they go 3-13 or worse, but if they get 5 or 6 wins and see some green shoots, he may get a reprieve. Bryant would surely help them to that mark.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 17, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Do they need a diva who will sulk if he doesn't get the ball though?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 17, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 17, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
Do they need a diva who will sulk if he doesn't get the ball though?

I think he may get the ball though. Who knows when Gordon will be back, and how long before he tokes himself out of the league. Callaway looks like he is cut from the same cloth. Landry is unproven, although I think he may be good. David Njoku the Tight End was very good in college, but an experienced big target would surely get ball there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 17, 2018, 06:33:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 17, 2018, 03:18:51 PM
Depends on the price. Bryant can't get open so anyone sensible won't pay too much for him. Still possibly a top RZ threat though.

Bryant turned down a three year with the Ravens because he wanted a one-year-and-prove-it deal so it's unlikely his asking price is going to be beyond the Browns or any team with cap space.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 17, 2018, 06:36:23 PM
I do share seanie's concerns, especially since the spirit of the locker room seems quite positive right now. The only thing that stops me from saying "No Dez, no way" is the experience of the coaching staff. Adam Henry (WR coach) coached Landry and Odell Beckham at LSU and the latter at NY Giants, and offensive coordinator Todd Haley is a well-respected no-nonsense coach, formerly of the Steelers. I do agree, too, that if Dez signs he'll definitely be on his best behavior given that his contract would probably be a 1-year rent-a-player deal and thus he'd want to make himself attractive to contending teams when the contract is up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on August 17, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on August 17, 2018, 06:36:23 PM
I do share seanie's concerns, especially since the spirit of the locker room seems quite positive right now. The only thing that stops me from saying "No Dez, no way" is the experience of the coaching staff. Adam Henry (WR coach) coached Landry and Odell Beckham at LSU and the latter at NY Giants, and offensive coordinator Todd Haley is a well-respected no-nonsense coach, formerly of the Steelers. I do agree, too, that if Dez signs he'll definitely be on his best behavior given that his contract would probably be a 1-year rent-a-player deal and thus he'd want to make himself attractive to contending teams when the contract is up.

I'd imagine Dez's role in the Cowboys All or Nothing on HBO could contribute as well. Over-rated diva who's ego doesn't match his ability.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 17, 2018, 08:58:15 PM
There doesent seem to be much of a market for him, he will maybe wait to the end of pre season as WR attrition kicks in
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 18, 2018, 11:20:01 PM
Dez is not that good guys. No surprises he has looked ordinary since Romo retired. Not a guy I'd want on my team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tippabu on August 24, 2018, 09:42:20 AM
Brown's and eagles game last night finished 5-0 to the browns......5-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 24, 2018, 03:50:38 PM
Eagles surrendered 7 sacks and 4 turnovers, I think. Foles looked poor, but they were without a number of key players.  Browns got a bit of a scare when Tyron Taylor left the field with an injured wrist, but he was able to return later.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on August 24, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
Urban Meyer's 'suspension' and non-apology to Courtney Smith was horrible. Football is still more important than people (and in particular, seemingly, women) despite everything we've seen the last two years. Fûck Meyer and fûck Ohio State.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on August 24, 2018, 06:41:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 24, 2018, 05:40:45 PM
Urban Meyer's 'suspension' and non-apology to Courtney Smith was horrible. Football is still more important than people (and seemingly, in particular, women) despite everything we've seen the last two years. Fûck Meyer and fûck Ohio State.

Meyer did say that loyalty clouded his judgement. I'm sure even the great Syf has been guilty of that before.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 29, 2018, 06:39:51 PM
So Rodgers has signed a new contract - $103m guaranteed & $80m by next March
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on August 29, 2018, 10:53:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 29, 2018, 06:39:51 PM
So Rodgers has signed a new contract - $103m guaranteed & $80m by next March

Probably the only case at the minute in the NFL, where the money is equal to talent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 30, 2018, 01:45:12 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on August 29, 2018, 10:53:58 PM
Quote from: Minder on August 29, 2018, 06:39:51 PM
So Rodgers has signed a new contract - $103m guaranteed & $80m by next March

Probably the only case at the minute in the NFL, where the money is equal to talent.

To think Joe Flacco was once the highest paid player in the NFL. At least Rodgers is the best player on his team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on August 30, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
I see the Browns have lost their middle linebacker Mychal Kendricks. It looks like he might be going to jail for insider trading. The Browns have gone ahead and cut him before it comes to that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on August 30, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 30, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
I see the Browns have lost their middle linebacker Mychal Kendricks. It looks like he might be going to jail for insider trading. The Browns have gone ahead and cut him before it comes to that.

Ha, on the last Hard Knocks I saw, he was telling Jarvis Landry 'We gotta be smart' when Landry was getting in a row with a young corner back :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on August 30, 2018, 11:09:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on August 30, 2018, 10:56:58 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on August 30, 2018, 09:52:04 PM
I see the Browns have lost their middle linebacker Mychal Kendricks. It looks like he might be going to jail for insider trading. The Browns have gone ahead and cut him before it comes to that.

Ha, on the last Hard Knocks I saw, he was telling Jarvis Landry 'We gotta be smart' when Landry was getting in a row with a young corner back :)

And the Browns being the Browns where aware of the situation but thought he was a *victim* of insider trading, not a co-conspirator
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 01, 2018, 01:42:26 PM
Khalil Mack getting traded to Bears  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 01, 2018, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 01, 2018, 01:42:26 PM
Khalil Mack getting traded to Bears  :o

Why are you surprised? The rumours that he was going to be shipped have been out there for a while. People were even saying the Teddy Bridgewater trade was the Jets trying to get draft capital to use to go after Mack.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 01, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 01, 2018, 01:53:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 01, 2018, 01:42:26 PM
Khalil Mack getting traded to Bears  :o

Why are you surprised? The rumours that he was going to be shipped have been out there for a while. People were even saying the Teddy Bridgewater trade was the Jets trying to get draft capital to use to go after Mack.

I am not surprised that he was traded as it has been imminent in the last 24/48 hrs, before that it wasn't and according to some close to the Raiders Mark Davis didn't want to trade Mack. I am surprised he went to the Bears as I didn't think they where in the mix. I actually thought he may have went to the Browns, as it's not just a matter of draft capital to contend with giving up, Mack is also looking for an Aaron Donald type contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 01, 2018, 10:45:44 PM
As a Bears fan I'm delighted. Paying top dollar for him but he's a cracking addition and the Bears haven't particularly hit many homers with thier recent first round picks. Defence looks good. Offence should at least be better than last season though I'm not expecting the greeatness some are predicting.

Will Mack play a full role in the season opener? Does it take long for a player in his position to learn the schemes/play calls etc or is it just a case of fire him up and let him go after Rodgers? 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 03, 2018, 08:51:11 AM
Mack was a ridiculous trade.

Letting him go in the first place was crazy: a proven superstar, future HoF player who would have been the cornerstone of that defence for years.

Then giving the Bears a 2nd round pick along with Mack.....Raiders must be the worst negotiators in the NFL

Gruden has got rid of most of McKenzie draft picks and brought in so many veterans (of dubious value) that Raiders now have the oldest average age in the league.

Overreaching for Kolton Miller, giving away a 3rd round pick on Bryant who they have just cut and getting rid of one of the best punters in the league all add to a bunch of bullsh!t decisions Grunden has made  - all on his £100mil contract no less - since coming back.

One minute he's standing in a bar talking about keeping Mack and the next we seem to be in rebuild mode - again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 03, 2018, 10:32:17 AM
I hadn't realised the Raiders traded for McCarron until yesterday. Seems absolutely daft, especially as EJ looked perfectly competent as a backup in preseason. McCarron lost a QB competition to Nathan Peterman ffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 03, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 03, 2018, 10:32:17 AM
I hadn't realised the Raiders traded for McCarron until yesterday. Seems absolutely daft, especially as EJ looked perfectly competent as a backup in preseason. McCarron lost a QB competition to Nathan Peterman ffs.

Yup, forgot to include that in the list of Gruden 'achievements' to date
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 03, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
Bills have named Nathan Peterman as their starter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 04, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
I have to say I'm amazed by the balls of Nike to make Kaepernick the face of their 30th anniversary campaign. There's no way they didn't know the firestorm they were walking into and still went ahead and did it. Sometimes even megacorpations can surprise you in good ways.

Also Auburn got off to a flier beating another top ten team in Washington at the weekend. Don't pencil in a Georgia-Bama rematch in the SEC championship just yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 04, 2018, 08:05:18 PM
Auburn were excellent. Stidham might be the best QB in the class of 19. Great for ND to beat Michigan, but I wasn't overly impressed with Wimbush or the Offensive Line in the second half when that good Michigan D finally decided to turn up.

Alabama are fearsome still though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
I have to say I'm amazed by the balls of Nike to make Kaepernick the face of their 30th anniversary campaign. There's no way they didn't know the firestorm they were walking into and still went ahead and did it. Sometimes even megacorpations can surprise you in good ways.

Also Auburn got off to a flier beating another top ten team in Washington at the weekend. Don't pencil in a Georgia-Bama rematch in the SEC championship just yet.
kapernick has got offers to play but turned them down and why wouldn't he when Nike  were bank rolling him all the time (sacrifice everything what a load of bollox)
Eric Reid the former 49ers safety who also protested is not on a roster which is much worse as he can really play .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 06, 2018, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
I have to say I'm amazed by the balls of Nike to make Kaepernick the face of their 30th anniversary campaign. There's no way they didn't know the firestorm they were walking into and still went ahead and did it. Sometimes even megacorpations can surprise you in good ways.

Also Auburn got off to a flier beating another top ten team in Washington at the weekend. Don't pencil in a Georgia-Bama rematch in the SEC championship just yet.
kapernick has got offers to play but turned them down and why wouldn't he when Nike  were bank rolling him all the time (sacrifice everything what a load of bollox)
Eric Reid the former 49ers safety who also protested is not on a roster which is much worse as he can really play .

At least any potential clubs have seen what the reaction would be to offering him a contract.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 06, 2018, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 04, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
I have to say I'm amazed by the balls of Nike to make Kaepernick the face of their 30th anniversary campaign. There's no way they didn't know the firestorm they were walking into and still went ahead and did it. Sometimes even megacorpations can surprise you in good ways.

Also Auburn got off to a flier beating another top ten team in Washington at the weekend. Don't pencil in a Georgia-Bama rematch in the SEC championship just yet.
kapernick has got offers to play but turned them down and why wouldn't he when Nike  were bank rolling him all the time (sacrifice everything what a load of bollox)
Eric Reid the former 49ers safety who also protested is not on a roster which is much worse as he can really play .

He has sacrificed a lot for his beliefs. He'd definitely be with a team now if he didn't protest or stopped when he was told to. Kaep was wealthy either way and he does an awful lot more for those less well off and less fortunate than most millionaires. He's not the problem here.

Reid is an even more scandalous situation. He's undoubtedly starter quality.

I like the Nike ad. Shaquem Griffin is starting at the weekend and it's good to highlight that. Clearly they're a big corporation so their bottom line is profit but they could easily have avoided this issue.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 06, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 11:43:51 AMkapernick has got offers to play but turned them down 

From which teams?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 06, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: dec on September 06, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 11:43:51 AMkapernick has got offers to play but turned them down 

From which teams?

John Elway offered to take millions of his existing salary away for the honour playing for him, before the whole fuss got going.. some people really like clutching at straws because they don't like someone who doesn't just shit up and maintain the status quo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 06, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 06, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
Quote from: dec on September 06, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 11:43:51 AMkapernick has got offers to play but turned them down 

From which teams?

John Elway offered to take millions of his existing salary away for the honour playing for him, before the whole fuss got going.. some people really like clutching at straws because they don't like someone who doesn't just shit up and maintain the status quo.

That was a potential trade deal while he was still signed with the 49ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 07:48:24 PM
Kaps girlfriend doesn't want him signing as a back up he's not as useful to her on a team as a second string Qb . I will be changing the channel when I see his advert coming on  tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 09:06:32 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 06, 2018, 07:48:24 PM
Kaps girlfriend doesn't want him signing as a back up he's not as useful to her on a team as a second string Qb . I will be changing the channel when I see his advert coming on  tonight

Why Gmac?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 06, 2018, 09:11:57 PM
i firmly believe that the NFL are more than happy for the blackballing case go to court. CK will be too old to play by the time the case and the appeal are done, and NFL will pay and walk and not care.

and I firmly believe he is being blackballed
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: heganboy on September 06, 2018, 09:11:57 PM
i firmly believe that the NFL are more than happy for the blackballing case go to court. CK will be too old to play by the time the case and the appeal are done, and NFL will pay and walk and not care.

and I firmly believe he is being blackballed

Without a doubt he is being blackballed. Look at how Ben Roethlisberger, Winston, Greg Hardy all still have jobs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2018, 09:33:41 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on September 06, 2018, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: heganboy on September 06, 2018, 09:11:57 PM
i firmly believe that the NFL are more than happy for the blackballing case go to court. CK will be too old to play by the time the case and the appeal are done, and NFL will pay and walk and not care.

and I firmly believe he is being blackballed

Without a doubt he is being blackballed. Look at how Ben Roethlisberger, Winston, Greg Hardy all still have jobs.

Winston might not have a job much longer by all accounts...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 06, 2018, 09:42:22 PM
If he was really good, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady good, he would be starting. He isn't so the owners obviously don't see it as being worth the hassle. He would be a marginal starter/good back up in my opinion.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on September 06, 2018, 09:48:45 PM
Going to USC at Stanford on Saturday...excited!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 06, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Should be a great game, Rois. A rivalry match-up with PAC implications.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 06, 2018, 11:10:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 06, 2018, 09:42:22 PM
If he was really good, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady good, he would be starting. He isn't so the owners obviously don't see it as being worth the hassle. He would be a marginal starter/good back up in my opinion.

he got his team to the superbowl in his 2nd season so that's nonsense/fake news
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rois on September 06, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 06, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Should be a great game, Rois. A rivalry match-up with PAC implications.
Someone told me today you couldn't get a beer at a college football game, but I disagreed as I've been to two now and def had a beer or wine or sonething at half time at both.
Turns out we randomly went to two of the c.30 colleges where beer was sold. Not at Stanford tho!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2018, 11:37:44 PM
Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 06, 2018, 11:10:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 06, 2018, 09:42:22 PM
If he was really good, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady good, he would be starting. He isn't so the owners obviously don't see it as being worth the hassle. He would be a marginal starter/good back up in my opinion.

he got his team to the superbowl in his 2nd season so that's nonsense/fake news

We're talking about Winston, not Kaepernick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 07, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 06, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 06, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Should be a great game, Rois. A rivalry match-up with PAC implications.
Someone told me today you couldn't get a beer at a college football game, but I disagreed as I've been to two now and def had a beer or wine or sonething at half time at both.
Turns out we randomly went to two of the c.30 colleges where beer was sold. Not at Stanford tho!
think u can get a drink if it's not in a college stadium like last week 2 teams played at Dallas cowboys stadium but u won't be getting one in Stanford, Palo Alto downtown just a short walk from stadium lots of yuppie wine bars there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 07, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on September 07, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 06, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 06, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Should be a great game, Rois. A rivalry match-up with PAC implications.
Someone told me today you couldn't get a beer at a college football game, but I disagreed as I've been to two now and def had a beer or wine or sonething at half time at both.
Turns out we randomly went to two of the c.30 colleges where beer was sold. Not at Stanford tho!
think u can get a drink if it's not in a college stadium like last week 2 teams played at Dallas cowboys stadium but u won't be getting one in Stanford, Palo Alto downtown just a short walk from stadium lots of yuppie wine bars there

Fresno State have just started serving drink again but it's in a designated beer tent outside the stadium and you can't bring it in to your seat. It's about $10 for a tall can though so it's a feckin rip off
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on September 08, 2018, 04:33:56 AM
Quote from: Gmac on September 07, 2018, 10:10:48 PM
Quote from: Rois on September 06, 2018, 11:28:26 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 06, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Should be a great game, Rois. A rivalry match-up with PAC implications.
Someone told me today you couldn't get a beer at a college football game, but I disagreed as I've been to two now and def had a beer or wine or sonething at half time at both.
Turns out we randomly went to two of the c.30 colleges where beer was sold. Not at Stanford tho!
think u can get a drink if it's not in a college stadium like last week 2 teams played at Dallas cowboys stadium but u won't be getting one in Stanford, Palo Alto downtown just a short walk from stadium lots of yuppie wine bars there

Actually not that many Wine Bars on or off University Ave in Palo Alto. More Pubs trying to sell you expensive tequila. You can get all the beer you want though at the Old Pro or The Rose and Crown. If you want they will let you pay them over $100 for a bottle with a cork in it😜. Antonio's Nut House on California Ave is worth a visit if you want to see what " Googleites" and "Facebookies" can do to minimize the amount of beer a pub can sell!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 09, 2018, 07:36:04 PM
Bucs are up 31-24 on Saints at half time. I have the Saints in survival football and I am on course for a first round exit 2 years running.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 08:57:43 PM
I'm up against Barkley, Mixon, Mike Thomas and the Ravens D ffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
Browns and Steelers gone to overtime.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
Browns and Steelers gone to overtime.

That was possibly the worst overtime I've ever seen. Dire stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 09, 2018, 10:04:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 10:01:50 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 09, 2018, 09:22:46 PM
Browns and Steelers gone to overtime.

That was possibly the worst overtime I've ever seen. Dire stuff.

Only saw it once but when Schobert was running the INT back it looked like a Browns player nearby showboating and pointing to the end zone instead of blocking for him and allowing him to get in/get closer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 10, 2018, 02:48:08 AM
Rodgers down and out of game already!
Bears addition of Mack looks great business already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 10, 2018, 02:58:14 AM
Rodgers out to play second half so things can't be to serious
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 10, 2018, 08:03:02 AM
Rodgers finished off the Bears late in the fourth quarter. The Bears threw it away in the second half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 10, 2018, 09:20:47 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 10, 2018, 02:58:14 AM
Rodgers out to play second half so things can't be to serious

At his ould antics again. Was he limping around and then forgetting he was injured when he had to run? Great player, shouldn't be at that carry on.

Looks like the Bears just didn't do enough on offence. Was following text commentary in the bed and thought they'd use the lifeline provided by Mathews being a bone head but alas no. Tougher defences await so that's very disappointing. I didn't/don't but into the "this years Ram's" narrative but i'm expecting the offence to be a nice bit better.....last night would leave you wondering.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 10, 2018, 10:32:28 AM
Watched the game live as I had the morning off today. The Bears D looks like a top 5 unit and the front 7 will cause trouble for all teams. The packers D looked way better than the last couple of years and is going to surpise alot of teams.Rodgers is going to get the ball in better field position than he has been used to.
While it is only one game as a Bears fan I am worried about Trubisky, he was very jumpy in the pocket and while the Rodgers comeback willl probably be the story of the game, Mitch missed a wide open Tre Burton in the endzone to make it 24-0 and missed a wide open Cohen which would have converted a huge 3rd down to break the Packers momentum. He is great and accurate throwing on the run but is very jumpy and inaccurate in the pocket.Nagy got a little carried away in the second half and should have pounded the ball with Jordan Howard to tire out the packers D!!
Roquan Smith looks like he belongs and it was impressive to have your very first play in a Bears jersey to be a sack of the QB! Mack was brilliant and he freed up Floyd, Hicks and Roy Robertson Harris to wreak havoc!Rodgers is well Rodgers but I think he won't have to do it all on his own this year which makes the Packers a contender for me.
Trubisky needs to improve (which is even tougher having only 13 starts in college) and it has to be this year or it will be like the Lovie years again and he will join the list of Cade McNown, Rex Grossman etc.. He doesn't need to be John Elway or Brett Farve but it would be nice if he could be a Jim McMahon or Phil Simms type QB!!
I know I am probabaly overreacting with Trubisky but just Google the list of names that have played QB for the Bears since Jim Harbaugh and you will understand why Bears fans just expect doom and gloom under center most years!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 10, 2018, 09:20:47 AM
At his ould antics again. Was he limping around and then forgetting he was injured when he had to run? Great player, shouldn't be at that carry on.

You're take on this is bizarre, why on earth would a player pretend they are injured to the extent that they go to the locker room and miss game minutes with the team then having to put Kizer in, who promptly had a both a redzone fumble to take points off the board and a pick six?
Rodgers is covering deficiencies at both personnel and coaching level in Green Bay by dint of his greatness as a player, GB were rubbish last season in his absence, while there is some genuine top quality on it like Adams and Bakhtiari, he's carrying that roster. 
With respect to the injury, probably jarred the knee and the medical decision was made that he couldn't make it any worse by going out to play again. It really doesn't add up at all to suggest that it's "antics" or faking an injury by any rational thought process, he has absolutely nothing to gain by it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 11, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on September 10, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 10, 2018, 09:20:47 AM
At his ould antics again. Was he limping around and then forgetting he was injured when he had to run? Great player, shouldn't be at that carry on.

You're take on this is bizarre, why on earth would a player pretend they are injured to the extent that they go to the locker room and miss game minutes with the team then having to put Kizer in, who promptly had a both a redzone fumble to take points off the board and a pick six?
Rodgers is covering deficiencies at both personnel and coaching level in Green Bay by dint of his greatness as a player, GB were rubbish last season in his absence, while there is some genuine top quality on it like Adams and Bakhtiari, he's carrying that roster. 
With respect to the injury, probably jarred the knee and the medical decision was made that he couldn't make it any worse by going out to play again. It really doesn't add up at all to suggest that it's "antics" or faking an injury by any rational thought process, he has absolutely nothing to gain by it.

Look - I'm probably over egging it slightly cos I'm a Bears fan but he certainly milks penalties off officials and makes sure to get protected. As he should I suppose. Doesn't make it less annoying though when he plays for a team you can't stand. That was a gutting loss for the Bears and only Rodgers could have done that I think. The bollix.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 11, 2018, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 10, 2018, 10:32:28 AM
Watched the game live as I had the morning off today. The Bears D looks like a top 5 unit and the front 7 will cause trouble for all teams. The packers D looked way better than the last couple of years and is going to surpise alot of teams.Rodgers is going to get the ball in better field position than he has been used to.
While it is only one game as a Bears fan I am worried about Trubisky, he was very jumpy in the pocket and while the Rodgers comeback willl probably be the story of the game, Mitch missed a wide open Tre Burton in the endzone to make it 24-0 and missed a wide open Cohen which would have converted a huge 3rd down to break the Packers momentum. He is great and accurate throwing on the run but is very jumpy and inaccurate in the pocket.Nagy got a little carried away in the second half and should have pounded the ball with Jordan Howard to tire out the packers D!!
Roquan Smith looks like he belongs and it was impressive to have your very first play in a Bears jersey to be a sack of the QB! Mack was brilliant and he freed up Floyd, Hicks and Roy Robertson Harris to wreak havoc!Rodgers is well Rodgers but I think he won't have to do it all on his own this year which makes the Packers a contender for me.
Trubisky needs to improve (which is even tougher having only 13 starts in college) and it has to be this year or it will be like the Lovie years again and he will join the list of Cade McNown, Rex Grossman etc.. He doesn't need to be John Elway or Brett Farve but it would be nice if he could be a Jim McMahon or Phil Simms type QB!!
I know I am probabaly overreacting with Trubisky but just Google the list of names that have played QB for the Bears since Jim Harbaugh and you will understand why Bears fans just expect doom and gloom under center most years!!

Thanks for that report. I'd gathered some of that from what I'd read and heard. I think Trubisky has a chance to be what the Bears need him to be. If you think the Packers defence has improved appreciably then that makes it a slightly less bitter pill to swallow....they were pretty muck on that side of the ball last season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 11, 2018, 12:45:00 PM
So the Gruden era gets off to an underwhelming start. Who coulda guessed.

Carr looks every inch the broken player he was after his return last year, skittish in the pocket, dink and dunking, no  long throws, dumping the ball before receivers get open, which is very worrying.

He's getting paid franchise $$$ and needs to start playing like it. 

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 11, 2018, 01:03:30 PM
Raiders were nowhere near as bad as I thought they were going to be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 16, 2018, 12:44:18 AM
Browns release Josh Gordon.

If he hasn't gone and failed another test for smoking weed, there's a lot of teams who'd be happy to have him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2018, 12:55:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 16, 2018, 12:44:18 AM
Browns release Josh Gordon.

If he hasn't gone and failed another test for smoking weed, there's a lot of teams who'd be happy to have him.

Read earlier that he arrived late to the practice facility and complained of a sore hamstring and was then ruled out of tomorrow's game, obviously a lot more to it than a bad hamstring. Seemed like a really weird dude in Hard Knocks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 16, 2018, 01:05:15 AM
Ian Rappoport saying he was fine at practice on Friday, was late today and complaining about the hammy. How he acquired the injury is supposedly part of the reason for why he's been let go. Already on thin ice and whatever it was was one too many.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 16, 2018, 03:03:03 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 16, 2018, 01:05:15 AM
Ian Rappoport saying he was fine at practice on Friday, was late today and complaining about the hammy. How he acquired the injury is supposedly part of the reason for why he's been let go. Already on thin ice and whatever it was was one too many.

He hurt it during a photoshoot. Of all the reasons to release him this is the stupidest, but it is the Browns were talking about.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on September 16, 2018, 03:38:38 AM
seriously this is Bill MVP in SB territory, altho ill take hi, in SF no prob
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 16, 2018, 06:27:15 AM
The Patriots will definitely take a look at him....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2018, 10:32:09 AM
Quote from: Syferus on September 16, 2018, 03:03:03 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 16, 2018, 01:05:15 AM
Ian Rappoport saying he was fine at practice on Friday, was late today and complaining about the hammy. How he acquired the injury is supposedly part of the reason for why he's been let go. Already on thin ice and whatever it was was one too many.

He hurt it during a photoshoot. Of all the reasons to release him this is the stupidest, but it is the Browns were talking about.

Nobody knows what is going on behind the scenes, Gordon is clearly unreliable and has problems, the Browns only gave him so many chances cos he has talent, they clearly had had enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 16, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
Jax v New England should be an interesting one today,should let us know if Brady is still on top of his game . Ramsey did a lot of mouthing in off season see if he backs it up today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2018, 08:47:28 PM
BROWNS MAY WIN !

Missed XP
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2018, 09:16:17 PM
Some scoring by the Vikings in that last quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on September 16, 2018, 09:38:03 PM
Frank Gore moved to 4th all time rushing yards today. Great pro. Big Ben moved to 7th all time passing yards too, eclipsing Elway.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2018, 09:51:58 PM
Couple of kickers getting cut tomorrow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 16, 2018, 09:57:43 PM
the Vikings kicker will be the first to be cut :'(. He just is not a natural kicker. They can bring in Forbath and Bailey for a trial during the week and keep the best one. They can move Carlson the rookie kicker to the practice sqquad if they want.


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2018, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 16, 2018, 09:57:43 PM
the Vikings kicker will be the first to be cut :'(. He just is not a natural kicker. They can bring in Forbath and Bailey for a trial during the week and keep the best one. They can move Carlson the rookie kicker to the practice sqquad if they want.

And i am walloping you in fantasy Pat into the bargain !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 16, 2018, 11:41:24 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 16, 2018, 10:25:46 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 16, 2018, 09:57:43 PM
the Vikings kicker will be the first to be cut :'(. He just is not a natural kicker. They can bring in Forbath and Bailey for a trial during the week and keep the best one. They can move Carlson the rookie kicker to the practice sqquad if they want.

And i am walloping you in fantasy Pat into the bargain !

That is because I have stupid Rodgers at qb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 17, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
It is so satisfying to be a Browns fan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 17, 2018, 12:48:26 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 17, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
It is so satisfying to be a Browns fan.

You couldn't make it up what happened today.  I think everyone could see it coming after the interception in fourth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2018, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 17, 2018, 12:35:14 AM
It is so satisfying to be a Browns fan.

I liked the article on Deadspin - "Saints first team to beat Browns in 37 weeks"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 17, 2018, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2018, 09:16:17 PM
Some scoring by the Vikings in that last quarter.

The very late timeout on the packers kick in normal time was sneaky but effective.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
My God the Cardinals are horrendous. Worse than even I thought. It may well be a race between themselves and the Bills for the #1 pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
My God the Cardinals are horrendous. Worse than even I thought. It may well be a race between themselves and the Bills for the #1 pick.

Yeah it's going to be a grim year for you!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
My God the Cardinals are horrendous. Worse than even I thought. It may well be a race between themselves and the Bills for the #1 pick.

Yeah it's going to be a grim year for you!

Actually I have years of experience of this. It's only relatively recently the Cardinals became a team where 8 wins was disappointing :) You find bright spots where you can, so I'm hoping Johnson starts to round into form a bit (it would help if the Coordinator designed plays which let him catch the ball on short routes in space), Chase Edmonds shows a spark, Christian Kirk continues to develop and maybe even a cameo from Rosen. I also want to see the defense continue to develop.

I'd take 4-12 at this stage, but it may be more like 2-14.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on September 17, 2018, 02:03:47 PM
The Giants aren't too far behind if they can't fix the O-Line
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on September 17, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 17, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
My God the Cardinals are horrendous. Worse than even I thought. It may well be a race between themselves and the Bills for the #1 pick.

Yeah it's going to be a grim year for you!

Actually I have years of experience of this. It's only relatively recently the Cardinals became a team where 8 wins was disappointing :) You find bright spots where you can, so I'm hoping Johnson starts to round into form a bit (it would help if the Coordinator designed plays which let him catch the ball on short routes in space), Chase Edmonds shows a spark, Christian Kirk continues to develop and maybe even a cameo from Rosen. I also want to see the defense continue to develop.

I'd take 4-12 at this stage, but it may be more like 2-14.
Would you put Rosen in behind that O-Line? Bradford has looked poor but you have to weigh up the damage that could be done to Rosen too. Not an easy situation. Of course, Bradford could get injured at any time and that might force their hand.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 17, 2018, 03:38:09 PM
That's the conundrum. No point putting him in there if he's running for his life. Bradford is a perfectly serviceable quarterback, but he needs protection. Now in fairness he was only sacked once yesterday I believe, so that's not terrible against a very good front 7 in LA. My biggest dissatisfaction is the play calling so far. They are not using David Johnson, and they are not taking any shots at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 17, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
Josh Gordon to the Pats by the look of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 18, 2018, 12:34:26 AM
Gonzales and Carlson both gone. Dan Bailey on his way to the Vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 18, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
Josh Gordon to the Pats by the look of it
Browns got a 5th round pick for him according to NFL.com
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 18, 2018, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 18, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
Josh Gordon to the Pats by the look of it
Browns got a 5th round pick for him according to NFL.com

Love em or hate em you have to give it to the Patriots. That's an absolute steal* for a player of his ability especially for a team that needs exactly his talents. Apparently the hamstring is now fine.

* The Vikings took that kicker Carlson (grrrr) with their 5th round pick in this years draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 18, 2018, 10:37:16 AM
Raiders continue to be a sh!t show.

$100 million coach Gruden bemoans lack of pass rush, but is relying on rookies to achieve pressure on QB and says he doesn't regret trading Mack (another sack v Seahawks btw).

'Leader' Irvin strolls about while Denver are in their 2 minute drill.

Not enough talent to rotate players in when Defense are clearly struggling. Can manage decent first half performances then wrecked in the second...who would have guessed with one of the oldest squads in the NFL

Bringing back a WR who is being suspended by the league, AFTER you had already cut him ..... and who you gave up a 3rd  round pick for - for what - 1 or 2 games?

Karl Joseph, a first round draft picking up splinters on the bench while Reggie Nelson ambles about the secondary

McKenzie's drafting has been woeful for the most part and yet another rebuild is on the cards.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 18, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 18, 2018, 08:27:44 AM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 18, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2018, 08:13:49 PM
Josh Gordon to the Pats by the look of it
Browns got a 5th round pick for him according to NFL.com

Love em or hate em you have to give it to the Patriots. That's an absolute steal* for a player of his ability especially for a team that needs exactly his talents. Apparently the hamstring is now fine.

* The Vikings took that kicker Carlson (grrrr) with their 5th round pick in this years draft.

Talent no doubt but there is a huge question mark over him, I would say he is 50/50 to last the season with the Pats. People have become intoxicated by that unbelievable season he had in 2013, a long time ago. Obviously the Pats are taking a low risk gamble, low salary and draft pick, hoping he may be Randy Moss 2.0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 18, 2018, 10:47:03 AM
Most of the lads the Pats try out in this fashion don't work out. For every Moss there are 5 or more Chad Ochocincos.

As for Gruden bemoaning the lack of a pass rush, I took that as a bit of a gag between him and all his media pals given the stick he's taken for the trade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 18, 2018, 06:44:01 PM
I think the risk is overstated. It's clear to me he was trying to get traded or released and his absence from training camp was probably to try and get released. He looks in great shape and while 2013 may never be equalled even with a good dropoff from that he'll be excellent. for the price it's a steal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 20, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
Also, if Gordon isn't active for at least 10 games this season , then the Browns have to give the Pats back a 7th rounder. Absolute steal for the Pats and to me , in their current predicament, an absolute no brained. Very little downside , and huge upside.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 20, 2018, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 20, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
Also, if Gordon isn't active for at least 10 games this season , then the Browns have to give the Pats back a 7th rounder. Absolute steal for the Pats and to me , in their current predicament, an absolute no brained. Very little downside , and huge upside.

I just think he has missed too much time the last few years, no training camp either this year. I don't think the Pats will be expecting much
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2018, 12:33:03 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2018, 05:24:37 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 20, 2018, 03:34:47 PM
Also, if Gordon isn't active for at least 10 games this season , then the Browns have to give the Pats back a 7th rounder. Absolute steal for the Pats and to me , in their current predicament, an absolute no brained. Very little downside , and huge upside.

I just think he has missed too much time the last few years, no training camp either this year. I don't think the Pats will be expecting much

His locker is beside Tom Brady so I'd say they're going to give hime every chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 21, 2018, 12:46:51 AM
Been 635 days since our last win, I believe, so expecting a win tonight for my Believeland Crowns ( no longer Clowns). Here we go Brownies, Here we go, Woof! Woof!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 21, 2018, 01:57:14 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on September 21, 2018, 12:46:51 AM
Been 635 days since our last win, I believe, so expecting a win tonight for my Believeland Crowns ( no longer Clowns). Here we go Brownies, Here we go, Woof! Woof!

0-0 draw maybe :-\
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 21, 2018, 02:18:58 AM
Jets moving it easy on the ground now.  Mayfield has to come into the game soon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 21, 2018, 02:39:45 AM
How Hue Jackson still has a job as a head coach in the NFL is mind boggling....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 21, 2018, 02:44:51 AM
Well here he comes thanks to an injury to taylor!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on September 21, 2018, 04:37:01 AM
From abysmal to, eh, blissfull!

Here we go, Brownies, here we go! Woof! Woof!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 21, 2018, 05:06:58 AM
Very impressive....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2018, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 21, 2018, 02:39:45 AM
How Hue Jackson still has a job as a head coach in the NFL is mind boggling....

It is amazing really. Browns haven't a bad roster at all....really shouldn't have only 2 wins out of Hue's 35 games in charge. Decent RB coach but a joke of a head coach. Thst winless streak was the second worst since the AFL/NFL merger. Astonishing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 21, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 21, 2018, 09:15:58 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on September 21, 2018, 02:39:45 AM
How Hue Jackson still has a job as a head coach in the NFL is mind boggling....

It is amazing really. Browns haven't a bad roster at all....really shouldn't have only 2 wins out of Hue's 35 games in charge. Decent RB coach but a joke of a head coach. Thst winless streak was the second worst since the AFL/NFL merger. Astonishing.

Weren't they incredibly unlucky in multiple games last year?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 21, 2018, 11:16:02 AM
They were. Having said that, Jackson appears to be a bit of a bluffer. He's all sound bites. Todd Haley will be the next HC in Cleveland I bet.

Also, that might be the end of Tyrod as a starter. He was poor. That underthrow to Calloway was criminal, and he tried to blame the receiver for it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 23, 2018, 09:47:40 PM
Looks like a season ending injury for Jimmy G
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 23, 2018, 10:30:03 PM
Bills and Cards (in progress) dominating today. Wtf is going on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 24, 2018, 12:42:30 AM
Go Bears. Top of the NFC North!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 24, 2018, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 24, 2018, 12:42:30 AM
Go Bears. Top of the NFC North!

Enjoy it while you can because Trubisky is going to cost that team badly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on September 24, 2018, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 24, 2018, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 24, 2018, 12:42:30 AM
Go Bears. Top of the NFC North!

Enjoy it while you can because Trubisky is going to cost that team badly.
he has been terrible so far this season - I'd imagine his stats are about 50% completion - the amount of overthrown and underthrown passes is shocking at that level  - commentators love it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 24, 2018, 03:38:03 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on September 24, 2018, 12:46:36 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 24, 2018, 12:08:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on September 24, 2018, 12:42:30 AM
Go Bears. Top of the NFC North!

Enjoy it while you can because Trubisky is going to cost that team badly.
he has been terrible so far this season - I'd imagine his stats are about 50% completion - the amount of overthrown and underthrown passes is shocking at that level  - commentators love it

Missed a lot of long throws last night. Was 22 of 35 last night (68.6%). For this season he is 72 for 104 (69.2%). He's not Arron Rodgers or Tom Brady but with a superb defence you don't need to be either of those guys to do well. Bortles, Foles, Keenum, Goff testament to that. He's young and he'll improve. Hopefully enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 24, 2018, 03:48:07 PM
Goff, Good Foles and Keenum are far better than Trubisky. Of that list, only really Bortles is comparable in his dedication to mediocrity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 24, 2018, 05:42:05 PM
You would I think Trubisky has a lot more upside that Keenum, Goff shaping up to be very good & he seems to be in a good situation with the weapons and HC he has. I wouldn't be writing Trubisky off just yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 24, 2018, 06:18:25 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 24, 2018, 05:42:05 PM
You would I think Trubisky has a lot more upside that Keenum, Goff shaping up to be very good & he seems to be in a good situation with the weapons and HC he has. I wouldn't be writing Trubisky off just yet.

Upside is what the Bears kept believing in with Cutler. I'd take the competent production of Keenum over what I've seen over the last year with Trubisky. Goff had turned the corner by this stage after a bad start himself.

Shoulda drafted Mahomes or Watson and saved their picks. A reach for a project is never a good idea, let alone #2 overall for what looks at best to be the third best QB in that draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 24, 2018, 09:13:49 PM
Bears almost won a Superbowl with Rex Grossman. Trubisky is already miles ahead of him. I don't think he's as bad as some people think. Last year he played in a team with terrible receivers and a stone age approach. A completely new system this season....he's learning and I expect it will eveloeve as the season progresses.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 24, 2018, 10:21:55 PM
Will "Fitzmagic" continue his rich vain of form tonight? Could be a shootout between himself and Ben, going on the last few weeks results.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 24, 2018, 10:25:26 PM
Josh Rosen named casualty, I mean starter, in Arizona. God Speed young man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2018, 02:41:03 AM
Steelers getting killed with the new roughing the passer rules. Think its to much myself.  When Fitzpatrick hangs in to the last seconds to throw how does a defender about to tackle at full speed do anything but land on him?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 25, 2018, 03:38:28 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2018, 02:41:03 AM
Steelers getting killed with the new roughing the passer rules. Think its to much myself.  When Fitzpatrick hangs in to the last seconds to throw how does a defender about to tackle at full speed do anything but land on him?

Give me a safer sport rather than one that destroys payers' mindsnas well as their bodies. There's going to be teething problems along that road so strap in if this is getting on your nerves as the NFL is only gong to become more cautious.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 25, 2018, 12:21:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on September 25, 2018, 03:38:28 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on September 25, 2018, 02:41:03 AM
Steelers getting killed with the new roughing the passer rules. Think its to much myself.  When Fitzpatrick hangs in to the last seconds to throw how does a defender about to tackle at full speed do anything but land on him?

Give me a safer sport rather than one that destroys payers' mindsnas well as their bodies. There's going to be teething problems along that road so strap in if this is getting on your nerves as the NFL is only gong to become more cautious.

Safer for who? Tell that to William Hayes, the Dolphins DE who did his ACL trying to avoid putting his bodyweight on Carr after sacking him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on September 25, 2018, 01:52:16 PM
Well being a Bears fan I was subconsciously waiting for Trubisky to be a bust even if it is too early to tell but with Bill Walsh Syferus or is it Bear Bryant Syferus writing him off I am all in on Mitchell now and expect barring injury at least 10 years of elite qb play!! Bear down , Superbowl baby!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 25, 2018, 02:30:18 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on September 25, 2018, 01:52:16 PM
Well being a Bears fan I was subconsciously waiting for Trubisky to be a bust even if it is too early to tell but with Bill Walsh Syferus or is it Bear Bryant Syferus writing him off I am all in on Mitchell now and expect barring injury at least 10 years of elite qb play!! Bear down , Superbowl baby!!!

Are you that obsessed with someone else's opinion that this nonsense needed to be posted? That's pretty sad, tbh. I hope you can let go of that anger one day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 30, 2018, 07:17:19 PM
Trubisky is off to a fast start today. He has 5 touchdown passes in the first half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 30, 2018, 10:04:05 PM
Some great finishes in a few of the early games after all the blowouts.

Moronic stuff from Reich and the Colts to give the Texans the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 30, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Nice work by Mitch Trubisky and da Bears today.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 01, 2018, 12:33:56 AM
What were the Raiders thinking trading Mack to the Bears? The Raiders are about to go 0-4 as a result.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 01, 2018, 12:55:34 AM
Raiders giving their best browns impression ever
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: passedit on October 01, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
Great final (not quite) day to baseball season. https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-playoff-picture-update/c-293413208 (https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-playoff-picture-update/c-293413208)

Much better than the bastardised rugby on now. BTW why can't they put a proper roof on their stadiums? Still drying out after watching the Eagles last week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 01, 2018, 01:31:42 AM
The Raiders got themselves out of jail late in the day. The Browns left it behind them. The Browns could or should be 4-0.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on October 01, 2018, 01:54:45 AM
Quote from: passedit on October 01, 2018, 01:28:48 AM
Great final (not quite) day to baseball season. https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-playoff-picture-update/c-293413208 (https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-playoff-picture-update/c-293413208)

Much better than the bastardised rugby on now. BTW why can't they put a proper roof on their stadiums? Still drying out after watching the Eagles last week.

Have always wondered it too.  Was at Foxboro last season for a game and got drenched.  MetLife stadium in New Jersey had millions spent yet they never bothered with a roof.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 02:48:22 AM
Earl Thomas' Seattle career is over after a broken leg today. He gave the sideline the finger as he was carted off. Going to lose out on millions.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 01, 2018, 06:17:44 AM
f**king Dolphins  >:(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 01, 2018, 08:15:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 02:48:22 AM
Earl Thomas' Seattle career is over after a broken leg today. He gave the sideline the finger as he was carted off. Going to lose out on millions.

Great player and thay's a sad way for that to end. I understand his reaction completely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 01, 2018, 08:24:20 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2018, 08:15:26 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 01, 2018, 02:48:22 AM
Earl Thomas' Seattle career is over after a broken leg today. He gave the sideline the finger as he was carted off. Going to lose out on millions.

Great player and thay's a sad way for that to end. I understand his reaction completely.

Cardinals had the winning of that game. Josh Rosen's stats won't look great but he had at least 100 yards of complete drops. He looked like an NFL quarterback, and the Cardinals looked (at times) like an NFL offense. They had the ball at the 2 minute warning, 3rd and 6 on the Seattle 30 or thereabouts. McCoy/Wilks bottled it completely, went so conservative and ended up with a 45 yard field goal missed. 1 more first down and the game was probably over.

Seahawks took the ball up to the Cardinal 36 or so and Seabass drove a 52 yard game winner as time expired. Ouch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 01, 2018, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on October 01, 2018, 12:55:34 AM
Raiders giving their best browns impression ever

Can't out-Browns the Browns (no matter how hard you try)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 02, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
This Mahomes kid  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 02, 2018, 02:15:34 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 02, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
This Mahomes kid  :o

The left handed throw was unreal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 07, 2018, 09:16:36 PM
What is going on with Mason Crosby this week?!

The standard of kicking this year has been absolutely brutal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 07, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2018, 09:16:36 PM
What is going on with Mason Crosby this week?!

The standard of kicking this year has been absolutely brutal.

Graham Gano doesent agree - 63yd to win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 07, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
I know it's been asked before but is there a better sight in professional sports than a fat man scoring a touchdown?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 08, 2018, 12:39:04 AM
The vikings got revenge over the Eagles for the nfc championship game. A bit lucky to be honest but we will take the win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 08, 2018, 12:53:31 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 07, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
I know it's been asked before but is there a better sight in professional sports than a fat man scoring a touchdown?

Bale's goal to win the CL.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 08, 2018, 09:39:09 AM
1 and 4 Baby!!! Worst 1-4 team in NFL history!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 15, 2018, 04:31:24 AM
Great game there between the Pats and the Chiefs. I almost think they let the Chiefs score that last touchdown so that Brady could have the ball last. First 43-40 in NFL history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 15, 2018, 06:17:47 AM
Not much college football activity on here, mainly due to the fact that Alabama are considered to be streets ahead of everybody else.

AP Top 10 this week:

1 Alabama 7-0
2 Ohio State 7-0
3 Clemson 6-0
4 Notre Dame 7-0
5 LSU 6-1
6 Michigan 6-1
7 Texas 6-1
8 Georgia 6-1
9 Oklahoma 5-1
10 UCF 6-0
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 15, 2018, 03:10:04 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 15, 2018, 04:31:24 AM
Great game there between the Pats and the Chiefs. I almost think they let the Chiefs score that last touchdown so that Brady could have the ball last. First 43-40 in NFL history.

Think it was the 2012 Super Bowl win when the Giants unintentionally scored a touchdown late on when they were trying to down it at the one yard line. They wanted to use up the clock and kick a field goal for a one point lead so that Brady would have very little time to get down the field. The Patriots, on the other hand, opened up and allow the Giants through. The Giants player tried to stop at the one yard line, but fell over into the end zone to get the touchdown. Fortunately for them, the Giants defense was good enough to hold out for the last minute against Brady and Welker (Gronkowski was injures).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 15, 2018, 09:51:49 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 15, 2018, 03:10:04 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 15, 2018, 04:31:24 AM
Great game there between the Pats and the Chiefs. I almost think they let the Chiefs score that last touchdown so that Brady could have the ball last. First 43-40 in NFL history.

Think it was the 2012 Super Bowl win when the Giants unintentionally scored a touchdown late on when they were trying to down it at the one yard line. They wanted to use up the clock and kick a field goal for a one point lead so that Brady would have very little time to get down the field. The Patriots, on the other hand, opened up and allow the Giants through. The Giants player tried to stop at the one yard line, but fell over into the end zone to get the touchdown. Fortunately for them, the Giants defense was good enough to hold out for the last minute against Brady and Welker (Gronkowski was injures).

Yeah I remember that well that's what made me think the very soft coverage may have been deliberate.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 15, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Didn't see the game but was the TD in question not a 75yd TD? Can't imagine them just giving up a TD from that distance, fair enough from 5 yds out maybe. Good luck to anyone chasing Tyreek Hill, not sure I have ever seen a faster player
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 15, 2018, 09:59:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Didn't see the game but was the TD in question not a 75yd TD? Can't imagine them just giving up a TD from that distance, fair enough from 5 yds out maybe. Good luck to anyone chasing Tyreek Hill, not sure I have ever seen a faster player
His combine is on YouTube.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 15, 2018, 10:29:01 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Didn't see the game but was the TD in question not a 75yd TD? Can't imagine them just giving up a TD from that distance, fair enough from 5 yds out maybe. Good luck to anyone chasing Tyreek Hill, not sure I have ever seen a faster player

The final TD was insane. One step after he turned and he was gone, even though he had to run in a big wide arc
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 16, 2018, 08:56:40 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 15, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Didn't see the game but was the TD in question not a 75yd TD? Can't imagine them just giving up a TD from that distance, fair enough from 5 yds out maybe. Good luck to anyone chasing Tyreek Hill, not sure I have ever seen a faster player

Yeah I'm not saying they deliberately gave up the touchdown but I do think their scheme was deliberately inviting that sort of play. They had a single safety and no one even tried to go with Hill it seemed. Also there had only been one punt all game so the chances of them stopping the Chiefs were slim.  Brady said in post match interviews he was cheering for the Chiefs to score on their first play so that he'd get the ball back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2018, 01:16:18 PM
See Sky now have the NBA coverage for the next 4 years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on October 19, 2018, 08:51:36 PM
Aidan Igiehon commits to Louisville

https://www.balls.ie/newsnow/irish-aidan-harris-igiehon-commits-louisville-2019-399125 (https://www.balls.ie/newsnow/irish-aidan-harris-igiehon-commits-louisville-2019-399125)

Be interesting to see how far he can go.  He'll be a star in College and hopefully can be an NBA starter too.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 19, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
Browns trade Carlos Hyde to JAX.  Doesn't look good for Yeldon and Fourette, and that vaults Nick Chubb to a starting RB role with CLE.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 19, 2018, 11:17:43 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 19, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
Browns trade Carlos Hyde to JAX.  Doesn't look good for Yeldon and Fourette, and that vaults Nick Chubb to a starting RB role with CLE.

Yeah strange enough one I thought, he hadn't been doing anything special but I suppose there was no chance of him being on the team next year with Chubb waiting
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 20, 2018, 12:53:20 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on October 19, 2018, 11:15:05 PM
Browns trade Carlos Hyde to JAX.  Doesn't look good for Yeldon and Fourette, and that vaults Nick Chubb to a starting RB role with CLE.

Both of whom I own ffs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 20, 2018, 03:09:16 AM
I own all 4 of them!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 21, 2018, 04:14:24 AM
Go Purdue!!

#TylerStrong
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 21, 2018, 05:18:37 AM
you mean Go Blue  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 23, 2018, 02:11:21 PM
Amari Cooper was traded to the Cowboys from the Raiders yesterday. The Cowboys were struggling at wide receiver and Cooper cost them their first round draft pick.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 23, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 23, 2018, 02:11:21 PM
Amari Cooper was traded to the Cowboys from the Raiders yesterday. The Cowboys were struggling at wide receiver and Cooper cost them their first round draft pick.

Gruden has taken a conference contender back to the depths of rebuild mode in record quick time. Really weird moves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 23, 2018, 03:24:28 PM
That's probably not a bad move for the raiders, loads of raider fans here are happy and the 2 cowboys fans at work are not. Raiders season is done, they ain't going turn it around now whether they have Cooper or not. This way they can tank even more and have 3 first round picks to start the rebuilding...whether they will draft well, remains to be seen.

The big worry is what to do with Carr...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 23, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 23, 2018, 02:11:21 PM
Amari Cooper was traded to the Cowboys from the Raiders yesterday. The Cowboys were struggling at wide receiver and Cooper cost them their first round draft pick.

Gruden has taken a conference contender back to the depths of rebuild mode in record quick time. Really weird moves.

The Raiders were far removed from conference contender before Gruden came back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 23, 2018, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 23, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 23, 2018, 02:11:21 PM
Amari Cooper was traded to the Cowboys from the Raiders yesterday. The Cowboys were struggling at wide receiver and Cooper cost them their first round draft pick.

Gruden has taken a conference contender back to the depths of rebuild mode in record quick time. Really weird moves.

The Raiders were far removed from conference contender before Gruden came back.

They were 12-4 in the 2016-17 season, buckaroo. And even then losing was mainly to do with both Carr and his backup being injured for the play-offs.

Try harder next time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 23, 2018, 07:23:42 PM
Cooper has been terrible for a while, plagued with dropped balls.  Probably suits both teams. Cowboys get someone that *could* be very good and Raiders can go full rebuild mode. Carr could be next
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on October 23, 2018, 07:32:24 PM
Red Sox in 6 I reckon.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.

2 years left.  I think they are looking for two first rounders. If they get that, they'll be happy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 23, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2018, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 23, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
Quote from: Syferus on October 23, 2018, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 23, 2018, 02:11:21 PM
Amari Cooper was traded to the Cowboys from the Raiders yesterday. The Cowboys were struggling at wide receiver and Cooper cost them their first round draft pick.

Gruden has taken a conference contender back to the depths of rebuild mode in record quick time. Really weird moves.

The Raiders were far removed from conference contender before Gruden came back.

They were 12-4 in the 2016-17 season, buckaroo. And even then losing was mainly to do with both Carr and his backup being injured for the play-offs.

Try harder next time.
Yes, they were, and were then 6-10 having given Carr the then biggest contract in the league and Cooper, one game aside, absolutely fell off a cliff.

6-10 and sliding is a conference contender in your book? Better luck next time, "buckaroo"

f**king twat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.

2 years left.  I think they are looking for two first rounders. If they get that, they'll be happy.

That would be a good trade for the Cardinals if they can get it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 23, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.

2 years left.  I think they are looking for two first rounders. If they get that, they'll be happy.

That would be a good trade for the Cardinals if they can get it.

Two 1s would be a great deal, he is 28 so it's a "win now" (Chiefs?) team that will take the plunge you would think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 23, 2018, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 23, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.

2 years left.  I think they are looking for two first rounders. If they get that, they'll be happy.

That would be a good trade for the Cardinals if they can get it.

Two 1s would be a great deal, he is 28 so it's a "win now" (Chiefs?) team that will take the plunge you would think

He's been relatively injury free i think, so at 28 he could still have quite a few good years. Cornerback is one of those positions where players can have relatively long careers. That said, it will inevitably be a team in win now mode as you say as they will be the ones to overpay. I agree that the Chiefs are the most likely, followed by the Eagles and may be the Vikings?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 23, 2018, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 23, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.

2 years left.  I think they are looking for two first rounders. If they get that, they'll be happy.

That would be a good trade for the Cardinals if they can get it.

Two 1s would be a great deal, he is 28 so it's a "win now" (Chiefs?) team that will take the plunge you would think

He's been relatively injury free i think, so at 28 he could still have quite a few good years. Cornerback is one of those positions where players can have relatively long careers. That said, it will inevitably be a team in win now mode as you say as they will be the ones to overpay. I agree that the Chiefs are the most likely, followed by the Eagles and may be the Vikings?

Two first rounders for Patrick Peterson would be ridiculous. Can't see anyone doing that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on October 23, 2018, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 23, 2018, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 10:41:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 23, 2018, 10:31:24 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 09:52:43 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 23, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 23, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
Patrick Peterson probably on his way out of the Cardinals as well.

What's his contract situation like?
There are quite a few 'contenders' that are really struggling in the secondary this season, so you would think that would play to the Cardinals advantage in terms of compensation they can recoup.

2 years left.  I think they are looking for two first rounders. If they get that, they'll be happy.

That would be a good trade for the Cardinals if they can get it.

Two 1s would be a great deal, he is 28 so it's a "win now" (Chiefs?) team that will take the plunge you would think

He's been relatively injury free i think, so at 28 he could still have quite a few good years. Cornerback is one of those positions where players can have relatively long careers. That said, it will inevitably be a team in win now mode as you say as they will be the ones to overpay. I agree that the Chiefs are the most likely, followed by the Eagles and may be the Vikings?

Two first rounders for Patrick Peterson would be ridiculous. Can't see anyone doing that.

The Saints are struggling big time at CB as well. Lattimore has no help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:16:23 AM
💯 Seany !,, Wtf are you lads smoking ? If Arizona get a second rounder for him they'll be more than happy. Two 1st rounders? 😂😂😂 Where you on the beer when you typed that?
I guarantee you they'll be extremely lucky to get anything more than a second rounder for what is a good corner , nothing more.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:17:58 AM
World Series just started. Probably will be one of the most watched in history I'd imagine with two such storied franchises....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 24, 2018, 01:38:17 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:16:23 AM
💯 Seany !,, Wtf are you lads smoking ? If Arizona get a second rounder for him they'll be more than happy. Two 1st rounders? 😂😂😂 Where you on the beer when you typed that?
I guarantee you they'll be extremely lucky to get anything more than a second rounder for what is a good corner , nothing more.

"Good corner"

Aka a Pro Bowl every season of his career and a three-time All-Pro.

Right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:53:19 AM
What's he worth then know it all?.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:58:44 AM
The Pats or saints could possibly give a first rounder , knowing that it will probably be towards the end of the first round...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on October 24, 2018, 02:09:59 AM
Peterson is elite, no doubt, but I wouldn't give up two first rounders for him.  Then again, I'm also neither a general manager nor a coach with Super Bowl aspirations. So, a first rounder and maybe a 4th or 5th, then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on October 24, 2018, 05:13:06 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:17:58 AM
World Series just started. Probably will be one of the most watched in history I'd imagine with two such storied franchises....

Good one to start it...8-4 Red Sox
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2018, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:53:19 AM
What's he worth then know it all?.

if Amari Cooper is 'worth' a first rounder, Peterson is surely worth at least one first rounder plus something else. This league is starved of cover corners. I actually agree with you that he's not as brilliant as made out, but he is up there with the better corners in the league as Syf points out.

I'd say they'll look for 2 1s, and end up with a 1 and a 3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 24, 2018, 09:09:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 24, 2018, 08:20:20 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:53:19 AM
What's he worth then know it all?.

if Amari Cooper is 'worth' a first rounder, Peterson is surely worth at least one first rounder plus something else. This league is starved of cover corners. I actually agree with you that he's not as brilliant as made out, but he is up there with the better corners in the league as Syf points out.

I'd say they'll look for 2 1s, and end up with a 1 and a 3.

Depends on who has a need, who is stupid enough to make a desperate trade etc etc  - these things are never predictable.

Personally I would never have given a 2nd away with Mack, for 2 x firsts as he is a truly generational players....Raiders were stupid enough to do it

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Astrail on October 25, 2018, 06:41:41 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on October 24, 2018, 05:13:06 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 24, 2018, 01:17:58 AM
World Series just started. Probably will be one of the most watched in history I'd imagine with two such storied franchises....

Good one to start it...8-4 Red Sox

Now 2 up heading to LA
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 25, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Notre Dame will play Navy on August 29th 2020 at the Aviva.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 25, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Notre Dame will play Navy on August 29th 2020 at the Aviva.

And another game every year until 2024.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on October 25, 2018, 05:02:41 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 25, 2018, 04:45:54 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 25, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Notre Dame will play Navy on August 29th 2020 at the Aviva.

And another game every year until 2024.

I'm just totally non-plused by these games and I have a decent level of interest in college ball. Maybe if Auburn or Bama came over I'd go but the idea of attending a three or four hour event that's so stop and start and designed for TV when you're a neutral is hard to stomach. It's much easier to attend a field sport like gaelic football or hurling match as a neutral and enjoy yourself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 25, 2018, 05:08:32 PM
Each to their own I suppose. I love them, and I'll go to all of them I hope.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 26, 2018, 09:13:36 AM
Terrible officiating last night in Texans v Dolphins. How that Nuk catch was called back I'll never know. And I haven't seen the fumble recovery TD that was overturned and called an incomplete pass after review but I believe it was dodgy to say the least. You'd never guess I started the Texans DST in a few of my fantasy leagues!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 26, 2018, 12:03:40 PM
Thought the fumble no call was dodgy as hell. He'd brought the ball all the way around so there was no pass attempt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on October 26, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 26, 2018, 09:13:36 AM
Terrible officiating last night in Texans v Dolphins. How that Nuk catch was called back I'll never know. And I haven't seen the fumble recovery TD that was overturned and called an incomplete pass after review but I believe it was dodgy to say the least. You'd never guess I started the Texans DST in a few of my fantasy leagues!
There was loads of poor calls, the only consistent thing is the Dolphins are back to being shite, Gase and Burke not good play callers, that on side kick in the third, not going for it 4 and 1 with Gore, we need to change our strategy on QB, Tannehill isnt reliable and is now injury prone, Watson looked good for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on October 26, 2018, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 26, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 26, 2018, 09:13:36 AM
Terrible officiating last night in Texans v Dolphins. How that Nuk catch was called back I'll never know. And I haven't seen the fumble recovery TD that was overturned and called an incomplete pass after review but I believe it was dodgy to say the least. You'd never guess I started the Texans DST in a few of my fantasy leagues!
There was loads of poor calls, the only consistent thing is the Dolphins are back to being shite, Gase and Burke not good play callers, that on side kick in the third, not going for it 4 and 1 with Gore, we need to change our strategy on QB, Tannehill isnt reliable and is now injury prone, Watson looked good for them.
didnt see much of the game but frank gore was looking  great in bits I saw ,niners let him go 4 seasons too early , they could do with him now  great player and nice guy to go along with it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on October 26, 2018, 08:51:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 26, 2018, 12:03:40 PM
Thought the fumble no call was dodgy as hell. He'd brought the ball all the way around so there was no pass attempt.

And another blatant trip missed as well.
Brock clearly isnt good enough but neither is Tannehill. His big money starts next year so its time to move on even if it means an average year next year. They'll have an average anyway of they stick with him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 26, 2018, 11:15:23 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 26, 2018, 08:13:18 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on October 26, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 26, 2018, 09:13:36 AM
Terrible officiating last night in Texans v Dolphins. How that Nuk catch was called back I'll never know. And I haven't seen the fumble recovery TD that was overturned and called an incomplete pass after review but I believe it was dodgy to say the least. You'd never guess I started the Texans DST in a few of my fantasy leagues!
There was loads of poor calls, the only consistent thing is the Dolphins are back to being shite, Gase and Burke not good play callers, that on side kick in the third, not going for it 4 and 1 with Gore, we need to change our strategy on QB, Tannehill isnt reliable and is now injury prone, Watson looked good for them.
didnt see much of the game but frank gore was looking  great in bits I saw ,niners let him go 4 seasons too early , they could do with him now  great player and nice guy to go along with it
Frank Gore is at best now a backup. Drake is way more dynamic, that's not belittling Gore. I agree a great pro and never caused any problems wherever he was , his race is just run, probably has been for a few years . The fumble recovery was a coin toss but was probably just correct. The rule is that if he is hit in the motion of his arm going forward then it's an incomplete pass, although it definitely looked like he was trying to tuck it back in..

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 28, 2018, 02:58:24 PM
Some finish to the half for the Eagles there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 28, 2018, 10:22:08 PM
Niners-Cardinals is unspeakably bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 29, 2018, 12:00:16 AM
The Packers messed up in the end against the Rams with a fumbled kickoff return. The lions also lost badly at home with the Bears beating the Jets.
I think the vikings will struggle against the Saints tonight. We have too many good important players missing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 29, 2018, 01:53:21 AM
Michael Thomas should have 15 targets tonight. Can't believe they're not using him more, beast of a player...and that Vikings secondary is banged up!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Watcher on October 29, 2018, 06:49:09 AM
Really enjoyed the Eagles game yesterday but have to say, how you can call it football I'll never know
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 29, 2018, 07:04:01 AM
Has everybody a favourite 'franchise'?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2018, 08:30:29 AM
What an amazingly stupid play by Montgomery running the kick out
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 29, 2018, 08:46:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 29, 2018, 08:30:29 AM
What an amazingly stupid play by Montgomery running the kick out

Indeed - Rodgers didn't look too pleased on the sideline.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: The Iceman on October 29, 2018, 11:06:53 AM
they had a real chance to take the game if he'd only got a chance....

anyone watch the world series? I still can't watch more than the highlights....baseball....

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2018, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on October 29, 2018, 11:06:53 AM
they had a real chance to take the game if he'd only got a chance....

anyone watch the world series? I still can't watch more than the highlights....baseball....

He was told not to take it out if it landed in the end zone, only the fact he is an established player doing something like that for someone on the roster bubbler would be enough to get you cut
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2018, 03:55:21 PM
Hue Jackson fired in Cleveland

& Todd Haley as OC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 29, 2018, 09:14:35 PM
In totally unsurprising news Josh Gordon being disciplined by the Pats for "tardiness", won't play in 1st quarter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 30, 2018, 02:00:42 AM
Fake news.....😎
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 30, 2018, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 29, 2018, 08:46:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 29, 2018, 08:30:29 AM
What an amazingly stupid play by Montgomery running the kick out

Indeed - Rodgers didn't look too pleased on the sideline.

That's great leadership.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
NFL Trades:

Golden Tate WR to Eagles

Demaryius Thomas WR to Texans

Good moves by all teams involved.

* typed it up while on a video conference for work
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 30, 2018, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
NFL Trades:

Golden Tate WR to Texans

Demaryius Thomas WR to Eagles

Good moves by all teams involved.

Other way around  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
Someone must have been drinking a harp when he posted that  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 30, 2018, 06:32:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 30, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
Someone must have been drinking a harp when he posted that  ;D

And I now have to eat another bye week for Tate in Fantasy  ???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2018, 07:25:48 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on October 30, 2018, 06:16:25 PM
NFL Trades:

Golden Tate WR to Eagles

Demaryius Thomas WR to Texans

Good moves by all teams involved.

* typed it up while on a video conference for work

Ty Montgomery WR/RB to Ravens

Ravens have a full backfield so I see him taking away receptions from Brown/Crabtree/Snead

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 04, 2018, 11:27:31 PM
The Saints are getting the better of the Rams in New Orleans. 35-24 in the third quarter.

The Vikings beat up Matthew Stafford with a record 10 sacks winning the game 24-9.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 08, 2018, 01:21:48 AM
Jaysus , that was a serious display from Duke last night. Absolutely destroyed Kentucky , first minute to the last . Early days, but they look a serious outfit ....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 08, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Dez Bryant joins the Saints. Hopefully a good addition and not disruption. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Three scores in about 26 seconds of game time to open the Steelers destruction of Syferus' beloved Cam and the panthers. Mad.

Juju is a bit special for such a young receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2018, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 08, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Dez Bryant joins the Saints. Hopefully a good addition and not disruption.

Suspected torn Achilles in practice
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 09, 2018, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 09, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Three scores in about 26 seconds of game time to open the Steelers destruction of Syferus' beloved Cam and the panthers. Mad.

Juju is a bit special for such a young receiver.

Cam is and always will be a flake.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 09, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2018, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 08, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Dez Bryant joins the Saints. Hopefully a good addition and not disruption.

Suspected torn Achilles in practice

That didn't last long.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 11, 2018, 08:26:45 PM
Cardinals were making a game of it against the Chiefs into the 4th quarter. Chiefs have pulled away now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 11, 2018, 08:31:38 PM
What can the Browns do to screw this one up? They have looked good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 11, 2018, 08:48:48 PM
Browns should be safe.

Patriots are suffering a walloping in Tennessee.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 12, 2018, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 09, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 09, 2018, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 08, 2018, 12:33:54 PM
Dez Bryant joins the Saints. Hopefully a good addition and not disruption.

Suspected torn Achilles in practice

That didn't last long.

Now to Brandon Marshall. Get him wrapped in bubble wrap
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 13, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
So Le'Veon Bell will miss the entire season after failing to report and sign tender, you would wonder what advice he is getting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 13, 2018, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 13, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
So Le'Veon Bell will miss the entire season after failing to report and sign tender, you would wonder what advice he is getting.

Perfect advice. Only need to look at Ronald Darby with the Eagles to see the risks associated with non-guaranteed contracts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 13, 2018, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 13, 2018, 09:43:18 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 13, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
So Le'Veon Bell will miss the entire season after failing to report and sign tender, you would wonder what advice he is getting.

Perfect advice. Only need to look at Ronald Darby with the Eagles to see the risks associated with non-guaranteed contracts.

You are the I think the only one I have seen that agrees with his stance, he was guaranteed $14.5m this year if he signed the tender. He will not earn a penny this year. Explain that one..........

He also turned down $33m guaranteed in the summer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I don't think he's entitled to FA next year either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 13, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I don't think he's entitled to FA next year either.

No he can hit free agency in March, a year older and down $14.5m
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 13, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I don't think he's entitled to FA next year either.

No he can hit free agency in March, a year older and down $14.5m

How does that work with the transition tag though?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 13, 2018, 11:41:32 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 13, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I don't think he's entitled to FA next year either.

No he can hit free agency in March, a year older and down $14.5m

Yeah or get the 15 million a year guaranteed that he is entitled to. The Steelers low balled him and he has called their bluff. Can't wait for Conner to mess up in Foxborough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 14, 2018, 05:46:52 AM
Why would you enjoy Conner experiencing something of a downfall? He's been brilliant and gets paid relative peanuts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2018, 09:15:22 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 13, 2018, 10:00:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 13, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I don't think he's entitled to FA next year either.

No he can hit free agency in March, a year older and down $14.5m

How does that work with the transition tag though?

He can hit free agency or the Steelers can transition tag him which allows the Steelers to match any offer that is made to him, I would see this as unlikely. Would say they will just cut him loose. Running backs have a very short peak shelf life and Bell has just wasted a year of his without getting paid. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 14, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
But if he gets Gurley money, which he will come close to, he'll get 40 odd million guaranteed which he'd never get in Pittsburgh.

There are merits to both sides of the arguement but I find it very easy to understand Bell's point of view considering his usage rate. He'd never see the final years (and therefore money) of a long term deal with the Steelers when he's touching the ball 400 times a year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2018, 10:25:36 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 14, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
But if he gets Gurley money, which he will come close to, he'll get 40 odd million guaranteed which he'd never get in Pittsburgh.

There are merits to both sides of the arguement but I find it very easy to understand Bell's point of view considering his usage rate. He'd never see the final years (and therefore money) of a long term deal with the Steelers when he's touching the ball 400 times a year.

He may get Gurley money, I don't see it as Gurley is a couple of years younger but even if he does he has lost out on $14.5m this year, he can never get that back.

The things about RBs is there is usually a good one around the corner, be that someone that is already on your roster or in the draft. Good teams know this that's why they don't usually overpay at the RB position. Steelers offered him $33m guaranteed in the summer, with nothing guaranteed after two years. So if he played this year and next he was ready to get paid again

There are enough badly run teams out there that may overpay him but i wouldn't be certain of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2018, 10:28:50 AM
@AndrewBrandt is a good follow on Twitter on this type of stuff, he used to be the GM in Green Bay

His pinned tweet is funny

From his Sports Illustrated article today -

Deadlines spur action ... or not. As discussed here often, Le'Veon Bell has boycotted his weekly $855,000 paycheck since the start of the season, and as someone who negotiated contracts as both and agent and team executive for a decade each, I have never understood that decision. In an apparent strategy of "saving himself," Bell will forfeit $14.5 million this season, with no guarantee of making it up, money that is no pure savings—both in cash and cap—to the Steelers. We will find out in March if there is any positive outcome to Bell's strategy, one that I am told was not endorsed by either the NFLPA or his agent, but my sense is that is money lost for good. A wish or hope is not a plan.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 14, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
The way James Conner has played has to have devalued Bell. I personally think he has been very stupid in what he has done. He should have taken the $33m guaranteed by the Steelers. It's colossal money. If he gets $40m guaranteed in the summer (which I cannot see happening) was it worth throwing away a season (with a possible contender for once) and $14.5M for an extra $7m? It doesn't make sense. Running backs unfortunately are not as highly valued as in the past and it's ok to not get exactly the same money as the other guy. Brady (and others) have restructured their contracts and got paid a lot less in base salary than some terrible players (especially QB's) because (a) they want to win and (b) exactly how many millions do you need?

James Conner is a great story and more power to him. I'm delighted he doesn't have to deal with the hoopla that would surround Bell returning and the aded pressure it would bring. He has earned his role and good luck to him, especially after the adversity he has faced. How anyone would wish the guy to fail is beyond me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Bell made the right choice. The Steelers were planning to run him into the ground this season. I hope more players treat this as a business and forget about the nonsense eminating from teams and supporters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Bell made the right choice. The Steelers were planning to run him tho the ground this season. I hope more players treat this as a business and forget about the nonsense eminating from teams and supporters.

How is leaving $855,000 a week on the table a good "business" decision? that money can never be recovered. His agent and the NFLPA advised him against it.

The Steelers raved about Conners in training camp, he was going to get touches this season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on November 14, 2018, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 14, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Bell made the right choice. The Steelers were planning to run him tho the ground this season. I hope more players treat this as a business and forget about the nonsense eminating from teams and supporters.

How is leaving $855,000 a week on the table a good "business" decision? that money can never be recovered. His agent and the NFLPA advised him against it.

The Steelers raved about Conners in training camp, he was going to get touches this season

To clarify, I hope nothing untoward happens Conner as its a great story. I do want the Steelers to fail though because of what they done with Bell. If you are the de-facto best RB in the league, and maybe the 2nd best receiver on your own team, surely you should be offered more than 1 guaranteed year. Basically the Steelers were banking on Bell having another MVP like year, then cutting him loose or worse hoping he gets hurt. Bell done exactly what the rest of us would do in the same position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2018, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: Therealdonald on November 14, 2018, 05:11:10 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 14, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Bell made the right choice. The Steelers were planning to run him tho the ground this season. I hope more players treat this as a business and forget about the nonsense eminating from teams and supporters.

How is leaving $855,000 a week on the table a good "business" decision? that money can never be recovered. His agent and the NFLPA advised him against it.

The Steelers raved about Conners in training camp, he was going to get touches this season

To clarify, I hope nothing untoward happens Conner as its a great story. I do want the Steelers to fail though because of what they done with Bell. If you are the de-facto best RB in the league, and maybe the 2nd best receiver on your own team, surely you should be offered more than 1 guaranteed year. Basically the Steelers were banking on Bell having another MVP like year, then cutting him loose or worse hoping he gets hurt. Bell done exactly what the rest of us would do in the same position.

He wasn't offered one year guaranteed, the tag for any player is only one year, he was offered $33m gtd over two years in the summer. Teams usually tag players with a view to working out a long term deal. That's what the Steelers did.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 14, 2018, 06:30:25 PM
The form of the Steelers offense in general, and the run game in particular, has really hurt Bell's holdout. I don't blame the Steelers for the position they've taken - they operate within the rules as they're laid down and make the decisions they think will benefit the organisation in pursuit of their goals. What weakens the player's negotiating position more than anything is the franchise tag. The NFLPA should really look to get rid of it in the next collective bargaining round.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 14, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Bell made the right choice. The Steelers were planning to run him tho the ground this season. I hope more players treat this as a business and forget about the nonsense eminating from teams and supporters.

How is leaving $855,000 a week on the table a good "business" decision? that money can never be recovered. His agent and the NFLPA advised him against it.

The Steelers raved about Conners in training camp, he was going to get touches this season

The Steelers raved about Conners because they wanted to pressure Bell into returning. They've tried so many dirty tricks with continual leaks to the media that using that as an arm of your arguement is misguided at best.

Staying healthy and knowing your worth is rarely the wrong choice. Fûck another 400 plus touches for a team that's going to try to use you up with no regard to your future.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 14, 2018, 10:05:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 07:04:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 14, 2018, 04:46:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 14, 2018, 03:24:16 PM
Bell made the right choice. The Steelers were planning to run him tho the ground this season. I hope more players treat this as a business and forget about the nonsense eminating from teams and supporters.

How is leaving $855,000 a week on the table a good "business" decision? that money can never be recovered. His agent and the NFLPA advised him against it.

The Steelers raved about Conners in training camp, he was going to get touches this season

The Steelers raved about Conners because they wanted to pressure Bell into returning. They've tried so many dirty tricks with continual leaks to the media that using that as an arm of your arguement is misguided at best.

Staying healthy and knowing your worth is rarely the wrong choice. Fûck another 400 plus touches for a team that's going to try to use you up with no regard to your future.

Whatever, as they say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 15, 2018, 12:54:02 AM
He left 14 million on the table. How could he do that?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 15, 2018, 03:02:47 AM
It's a gamble.  He hopes to earn much more and get a guaranteed 3-year contract rather than playing this year, getting injured, and possibly ending his career and huge earning potential.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 15, 2018, 11:46:01 AM
The way the rules are is pretty unfair to the players especially regarding the franchise tag. Overall I think he has lost himself money due to this. It might benefit others in the future though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/rogbennett/status/1063206613530681344


The reason I fell in love with
@ChicagoBears
. Walter Payton. What an athlete. Not only his Hyperdrive acceleration and Baryshnikov-esque footwork, but way he finished runs by smiting defenders who sought to stop him. If you never saw him play, take minute to watch. A human marvel


https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/1063184851602366464
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 17, 2018, 07:47:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 16, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/rogbennett/status/1063206613530681344


The reason I fell in love with
@ChicagoBears
. Walter Payton. What an athlete. Not only his Hyperdrive acceleration and Baryshnikov-esque footwork, but way he finished runs by smiting defenders who sought to stop him. If you never saw him play, take minute to watch. A human marvel


https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL/status/1063184851602366464

He was the greatest. No question.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 18, 2018, 06:18:21 PM
Yes - that headline is correct

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 18, 2018, 07:39:29 PM
Going to try her out at WR too. Figure if her name is Rice she can catch passes as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 18, 2018, 08:14:36 PM
Nasty leg break for Alex smith 33 years to the day joe theisman man broke his playing for the skins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 20, 2018, 05:23:26 AM
Holy smokes! Jesus , that was some game, first time in NFL history both teams scored over 50.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 09:08:05 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 20, 2018, 05:23:26 AM
Holy smokes! Jesus , that was some game, first time in NFL history both teams scored over 50.....

Was it not just in MNF history?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 20, 2018, 11:32:19 AM
The TDs masked some really bad plays and decision making from Mahomes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 09:08:05 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 20, 2018, 05:23:26 AM
Holy smokes! Jesus , that was some game, first time in NFL history both teams scored over 50.....

Was it not just in MNF history?

Nope - entire NFL history
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 09:08:05 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 20, 2018, 05:23:26 AM
Holy smokes! Jesus , that was some game, first time in NFL history both teams scored over 50.....

Was it not just in MNF history?

Nope - entire NFL history

Wow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 20, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
The irony of Marcus Peters being appalling all year and then coming up with a big play against his former team. Mahomes threw it right to him like but he still made it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

Patriots have been decidedly ordinary this season. If they get Gronk back and he's Gronk it'll make a huge difference but it's not guaranteed. Once again their defence is really dodgy and I just can't see the Chiefs especially not exposing it in a way the Jaguars didn't last year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 20, 2018, 04:11:59 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.

The best bit of punditry I read about it was how Reid somehow still had all three timeouts down the stretch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 20, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.

In fairness to Andy Reid i don't think he has ever had a QB as good as Mahommes. I think they're the front runner in AFC. So much depends on staying healthy from here on in but i'd still have them as slight superbowl favourites even after last nights defeat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 21, 2018, 12:28:21 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 20, 2018, 03:22:19 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

Patriots have been decidedly ordinary this season. If they get Gronk back and he's Gronk it'll make a huge difference but it's not guaranteed. Once again their defence is really dodgy and I just can't see the Chiefs especially not exposing it in a way the Jaguars didn't last year.
They already did expose the Pats defense this year......Brady just exposed theirs a little more..😉😉
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 21, 2018, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Clov on November 20, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.

In fairness to Andy Reid i don't think he has ever had a QB as good as Mahommes. I think they're the front runner in AFC. So much depends on staying healthy from here on in but i'd still have them as slight superbowl favourites even after last nights defeat.

Did Donovan McNabb ever have weapons like Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins? QB production is a function of several things, only one of which is ability. Mahomes is doing really well but he has only played 11 games in the NFL.....lets not send him to Canton already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 21, 2018, 01:00:17 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2018, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Clov on November 20, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.

In fairness to Andy Reid i don't think he has ever had a QB as good as Mahommes. I think they're the front runner in AFC. So much depends on staying healthy from here on in but i'd still have them as slight superbowl favourites even after last nights defeat.

Did Donovan McNabb ever have weapons like Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins? QB production is a function of several things, only one of which is ability. Mahomes is doing really well but he has only played 11 games in the NFL.....lets not send him to Canton already.

Yeah Mahomes looks very good but he has been drafted into a good situation too, I suppose that's what good teams do
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on November 21, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
Shaping up for a good year with plenty of teams in contention at the business en of the season.

Not sure if it has been mentioned but the final minutes of the Jacksonville/Steelers game was some entertainment on Sunday. Big Ben barreling over for  a rushing TD in the last few seconds was great watching especially as he had a shocking first half. Legend.  8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 21, 2018, 01:24:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2018, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Clov on November 20, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.

In fairness to Andy Reid i don't think he has ever had a QB as good as Mahommes. I think they're the front runner in AFC. So much depends on staying healthy from here on in but i'd still have them as slight superbowl favourites even after last nights defeat.

Did Donovan McNabb ever have weapons like Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins? QB production is a function of several things, only one of which is ability. Mahomes is doing really well but he has only played 11 games in the NFL.....lets not send him to Canton already.

TO and Brian Westbrook were pretty decent but yes, i'd agree that Mahommes has a better supporting cast than McNabb probably ever had (and possibly the best in the league at the moment). But Alex Smith had the same cast last year (substituting Albert Wilson for Sammy Watkins) and Mahommes is way outperforming what Smith did. My point wasn't really on Mahommes per se but more a word in defence of Andy Reid. Every QB he has worked with has looked better under him than in any other stop along their career. Michael Vick, McNabb, Alex Smith (minus one year he was excellent under Harbaugh), may be even Kevin Kolb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 21, 2018, 06:20:51 PM
Don't get me wrong. I like Andy Reid and I think he's a good coach and a genuinely great QB coach. But his game management and clock management are suspect and in the playoffs that can, and has, killed his teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 21, 2018, 06:45:35 PM
But Alex Smith is a failed number 1 pick in the draft. He is no Tom Brady or hall of famer. Mahomes is no doubt better than Smith but he still has to prove himself against the likes of Brees, Brady and Rodgers.

Quote from: Clov on November 21, 2018, 01:24:46 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 21, 2018, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Clov on November 20, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 20, 2018, 03:04:16 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 20, 2018, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2018, 01:01:16 PMWow! Hard to believe.  Some going.  What's the thoughts on these two teams? Obviously amazing on offence but will they come a cropper in the play-offs?

They will both be there or thereabout. Rams and Saints are the cream of the NFC. Steelers/Pats/Chiefs in the AFC

If Kansas can hold onto number 1 they'll be dangerous. They have to overcome Andy Reiditis in the playoffs, but that will be easier at Arrowhead.

In fairness to Andy Reid i don't think he has ever had a QB as good as Mahommes. I think they're the front runner in AFC. So much depends on staying healthy from here on in but i'd still have them as slight superbowl favourites even after last nights defeat.

Did Donovan McNabb ever have weapons like Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, Kareem Hunt and Sammy Watkins? QB production is a function of several things, only one of which is ability. Mahomes is doing really well but he has only played 11 games in the NFL.....lets not send him to Canton already.

TO and Brian Westbrook were pretty decent but yes, i'd agree that Mahommes has a better supporting cast than McNabb probably ever had (and possibly the best in the league at the moment). But Alex Smith had the same cast last year (substituting Albert Wilson for Sammy Watkins) and Mahommes is way outperforming what Smith did. My point wasn't really on Mahommes per se but more a word in defence of Andy Reid. Every QB he has worked with has looked better under him than in any other stop along their career. Michael Vick, McNabb, Alex Smith (minus one year he was excellent under Harbaugh), may be even Kevin Kolb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 21, 2018, 09:37:53 PM
Smith is in his 13th season. He's by no means a failure. He's not Manning or Brady but he's not Jamarcus either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 21, 2018, 10:24:12 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 21, 2018, 09:37:53 PM
Smith is in his 13th season. He's by no means a failure. He's not Manning or Brady but he's not Jamarcus either.

Yeah Smith was no bust by any stretch just took him a while to show his worth, like a lot of young QBs drafted at the top of the first round they are often rushed into a shitty situation on a bad team. He was viewed unfavourably for a few years as he was taken #1 and Rodgers dropped to 20 something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on November 21, 2018, 10:27:30 PM
Duke and Gonzaga live on ESPN right now, No 1 vs No 3.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AM
Chase Daniel likely to start for the Bears tonight. Some career stats:

Teams: 5
Times released: 7
Starts: 2
TD passes: 1
Earnings: c. 27m
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: rory on November 22, 2018, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 21, 2018, 10:27:30 PM
Duke and Gonzaga live on ESPN right now, No 1 vs No 3.

Sounds like it was an absolute classic.  89 - 87 to Gonzaga.  Duke missing a lot of shots in the last minute to tie it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 22, 2018, 10:39:42 AM
Watched a bit of it and listened to the rest on TuneIn. Sounded great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 22, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 22, 2018, 08:33:15 AM
Chase Daniel likely to start for the Bears tonight. Some career stats:

Teams: 5
Times released: 7
Starts: 2
TD passes: 1
Earnings: c. 27m

I'm seriously worried about tonight. Just when da Bears get themselves into a good position to make the playoffs. Still - Daniels knows the system and he won't be asked to do too much. The defense will once again need to come up big. All in all not ideal with the short turnaround in a game da Bears really could do with winning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on November 22, 2018, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: rory on November 22, 2018, 09:55:06 AM
Quote from: Boycey on November 21, 2018, 10:27:30 PM
Duke and Gonzaga live on ESPN right now, No 1 vs No 3.

Sounds like it was an absolute classic.  89 - 87 to Gonzaga.  Duke missing a lot of shots in the last minute to tie it.

It was excellent, 4/5 serious prospects on view.

The 3 Duke boys are currently predicted for 1st 3 draft places but Hachimura from Gonzaga was probably best on view last night.

Zion is an absolute beast, 300lb tank.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 24, 2018, 05:35:23 PM
O-H-I-O. Underdogs at the Shoe. Go Buckeyes!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2018, 06:13:45 PM
It's a great occasion. I love the Game. Hopefully ND can close it out tonight as well.

Some game between Virginia Tech and Virginia last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 24, 2018, 06:41:49 PM
Two Michigan TDS in 6 secs. Screw it anyway! C'mon Bucks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2018, 11:36:12 PM
Great win for the Buckeyes.  Alabama giving Auburn a bit of a caning in the second half after Auburn hung with them pretty well in the first. Stidham hasn't really developed as much as Auburn hoped. Bama are a machine though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2018, 12:02:50 AM
Sadly for us, I think the playoff teams will be Bama, Clemson, ND, and Oklahoma, with us st #5, unless Texas can pull off another upset.  Buckeyes finally looked top notch today. O-Line was terrific.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2018, 12:53:56 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 25, 2018, 12:02:50 AM
Sadly for us, I think the playoff teams will be Bama, Clemson, ND, and Oklahoma, with us st #5, unless Texas can pull off another upset.  Buckeyes finally looked top notch today. O-Line was terrific.

If SC shock ND both Oklahoma and Ohio State might make it. If ND win and Alabama beat Georgia I think Oklahoma will be in alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on November 25, 2018, 04:42:25 AM
Warriors are righting the ship. Just won by a point, thanks to a "wedgie". Looking forward to seeing, Steph, Cousins and Draymond join the fray.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on November 25, 2018, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2018, 11:36:12 PM
Great win for the Buckeyes.  Alabama giving Auburn a bit of a caning in the second half after Auburn hung with them pretty well in the first. Stidham hasn't really developed as much as Auburn hoped. Bama are a machine though.

An absolute joy to watch.  Cant see Georgia or anyone getting close to them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 25, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on November 25, 2018, 07:41:21 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 24, 2018, 11:36:12 PM
Great win for the Buckeyes.  Alabama giving Auburn a bit of a caning in the second half after Auburn hung with them pretty well in the first. Stidham hasn't really developed as much as Auburn hoped. Bama are a machine though.

An absolute joy to watch.  Cant see Georgia or anyone getting close to them.
Unreal shenanigans at LSU - A&M
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 25, 2018, 11:37:15 AM
Have only a passing interest in the college game, why are Bama so dominant year after year, even after losing so many players to the NFL ? Is it player recruitment, Saban?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 25, 2018, 05:38:02 PM
A recruiting machine year after year. That Alvin Kamara couldn't break into a Bama RB stable that already had Derrick Henry, Yeldon, and Kenyan Drake is all you need to know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 26, 2018, 11:24:57 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 25, 2018, 05:38:02 PM
A recruiting machine year after year. That Alvin Kamara couldn't break into a Bama RB stable that already had Derrick Henry, Yeldon, and Kenyan Drake is all you need to know.

Saban is a bad coach?  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on November 26, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
No, never said that Saban was a bad coach, seanie, but he's a top-notch recruiter. Heck, I could coach that talent to a bowl berth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 27, 2018, 02:36:59 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on November 26, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
No, never said that Saban was a bad coach, seanie, but he's a top-notch recruiter. Heck, I could coach that talent to a bowl berth.

I know, I was being a bit tongue in cheek because Kamara is miles ahead of those other RB's. Though I'd imagine playing for a dominant team at college level means it's harder to differentiate between players above a certain level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2018, 03:04:00 AM
Kareem Kunt Hunt cut by the Chiefs after video emerged of him shoving and kicking a woman in a hotel lobby
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 08:01:00 AM
Lol, I think you mean cut by the Chiefs after the public saw the video and they realised they were going to be fucked by the backlash. The incident is from February.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 08:01:00 AM
Lol, I think you mean cut by the Chiefs after the public saw the video and they realised they were going to be fucked by the backlash. The incident is from February.

Yeah Chiefs & the authorities have known about this incident apparently but hadn't seen the video, again, allegedly
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.

Yeah & he will be on a team next season

Have you just recently taken an interest in the NFL ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.

Lol, your attempts to portray everyone else as some sort of moral low life are laughable.

The NFL has tolerated plenty of similar incidents in the past, so yes, them cutting him quickly is actually surprising.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 02:20:35 PM
Especially the f**king Chiefs after they drafted Hill, so stick your pompous bollocks up your arse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.

Lol, your attempts to portray everyone else as some sort of moral low life are laughable.

The NFL has tolerated plenty of similar incidents in the past, so yes, them cutting him quickly is actually surprising.

And it's usually the league that deals with the player, teams are usually happy to take their chances and keep the player on the team. The more talent the more "patience"..........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.

Lol, your attempts to portray everyone else as some sort of moral low life are laughable.

The NFL has tolerated plenty of similar incidents in the past, so yes, them cutting him quickly is actually surprising.

And it's usually the league that deals with the player, teams are usually happy to take their chances and keep the player on the team. The more talent the more "patience"..........

Did you somehow sleep through Ray Rice and MeToo? The shocking aspect is Hunt wasn't cut when the Chiefs first learnt of it, not that he belatedly was now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.

Lol, your attempts to portray everyone else as some sort of moral low life are laughable.

The NFL has tolerated plenty of similar incidents in the past, so yes, them cutting him quickly is actually surprising.

And it's usually the league that deals with the player, teams are usually happy to take their chances and keep the player on the team. The more talent the more "patience"..........

Did you somehow sleep through Ray Rice and MeToo? The shocking aspect is Hunt wasn't cut when the Chiefs first learnt of it, not that he belatedly was now.


Do you even read posts ? Team or league were not aware of video until now, that has widely been reported
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:46:43 PM
Unfortunately it one puts the Pats in the box seat in the AFC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 02:37:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 02:20:42 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 01, 2018, 01:59:50 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 01, 2018, 01:28:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Yeah but really, what's worse? Seeing the video and doing nothing until it came to the attention of the public or bring so incredibly inept and burying their heads in the sand to not request the video in the first place?

Apparently the league asked for it several times but hotel refused to turn it over and were only obliged to turn it over to the police

Actually surprised they cut him, this isn't Ray Rice, it's a player at the top of his game on a team with a great chance of getting to a SB

You're surprised they cut a player kicking a woman on a video. Right.

Lol, your attempts to portray everyone else as some sort of moral low life are laughable.

The NFL has tolerated plenty of similar incidents in the past, so yes, them cutting him quickly is actually surprising.

And it's usually the league that deals with the player, teams are usually happy to take their chances and keep the player on the team. The more talent the more "patience"..........

Did you somehow sleep through Ray Rice and MeToo? The shocking aspect is Hunt wasn't cut when the Chiefs first learnt of it, not that he belatedly was now.


Do you even read posts ? Team or league were not aware of video until now, that has widely been reported

Do you even read posts? They were aware of the incident for a long time. All that's changed is they have no plausible deniability with a video proving what anyone with any knowledge of the situation would already know.

And talking about it disadvantaging a professional sports team in a race for a meaningless bit of tin is distasteful to put it mildly. There's much bigger issues here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: east down gael on December 01, 2018, 05:07:10 PM
No thread is safe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: east down gael on December 01, 2018, 05:07:10 PM
No thread is safe

;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 01, 2018, 05:38:23 PM
Syf has been busy

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46413209
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on December 01, 2018, 07:36:03 PM
They've released him for being untruthful about the incident. The chiefs released a statement at the time if I recall, based on media reports and their talks with Hunt.

Stupid boy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 10:11:17 PM
Good start from Georgia in the SEC Championship game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2018, 10:12:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 01, 2018, 10:11:17 PM
Good start from Georgia in the SEC Championship game.

They are giving Bama their fill of it. Tua looks human.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2018, 10:23:44 PM
Looks like bye-bye OU and OSU.  Georgia looking tough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2018, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 01, 2018, 10:23:44 PM
Looks like bye-bye OU and OSU.  Georgia looking tough.

I still think the tide will come back.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 01, 2018, 11:23:18 PM
Not sure, AZ, but even so, Georgia is clearly better than OU and should make playoffs, though the committee may not like that. Think OSU could compete, but we're done. Curious to see if TV pressure will play a role. Georgia, Alabama, and Clemson all from SE region.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 02, 2018, 12:14:44 AM
Been some game. Hurts could be the hero!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 02, 2018, 12:34:32 AM
Wow. Delighted for him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 02, 2018, 12:36:07 AM
What a crazy 4th down call by Georgia!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 02, 2018, 12:45:07 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 02, 2018, 12:36:07 AM
What a crazy 4th down call by Georgia!
Absolute madness
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2018, 03:06:24 PM
Predictions?

I'm going to say Bama - Clemson -ND - Oklahoma.


Very hard on Georgia, but the loss to LSU hurts. Hard to see a 2 loss non-conference champion getting in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 02, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Yeah, think you're right, AZ.  Can't believe Georgia dropped the ball and lost that game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2018, 05:05:04 PM
It's an incredible and nearly unheard of luxury to have a former SEC PotY as your back-up QB. I can see Bama walking through the playoffs with the extra perpetration time it allows them now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 02, 2018, 10:20:31 PM
Mike McCarthy surely a dead man walking right now? Green Bay are a mess....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 02, 2018, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 02, 2018, 10:20:31 PM
Mike McCarthy surely a dead man walking right now? Green Bay are a mess....

Yeah something not right, Rodgers not playing as well as normal, even though statistically it looks good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Carmen Stateside on December 03, 2018, 02:00:37 AM
Probably a few weeks to late for the Packers to fire him but it was inevitable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 03, 2018, 02:13:50 AM
Definitely not all his fault, I'd imagine he'll finish with the Browns as HC for next season.
Garbage roster...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 04, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
Looking forward to the Boston Globe podcast series on Aaron Hernandez. Done by the Spotlight team so should be great. One of them was on Second Captains about it today and it sounds great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 04, 2018, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
Looking forward to the Boston Globe podcast series on Aaron Hernandez. Done by the Spotlight team so should be great. One of them was on Second Captains about it today and it sounds great.

It was excellent. A real insight into the development process in the sport. He was a troubled young man. It also looks a bit at the effects of CTE. Brilliant podcast.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 04, 2018, 02:43:39 PM
Urban Meyer will be resigning from OSU after the Rose Bowl
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.

He should have been fired after the scandal broke but OSU is as morally bankrupt as Meyer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Hernandez podcast series was good as a human interest story in that it put his whole life in context but it really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know about college or professional football. It did confirm Meyer and Belichick are tosspots, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 04, 2018, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.

He should have been fired after the scandal broke but OSU is as morally bankrupt as Meyer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Hernandez podcast series was good as a human interest story in that it put his whole life in context but it really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know about college or professional football. It did confirm Meyer and Belichick are tosspots, though.
You fit into the last sentence as well.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 06:14:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2018, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.

He should have been fired after the scandal broke but OSU is as morally bankrupt as Meyer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Hernandez podcast series was good as a human interest story in that it put his whole life in context but it really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know about college or professional football. It did confirm Meyer and Belichick are tosspots, though.
You fit into the last sentence as well.....

Damn. You totally destroyed me.

Rotflmao
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 04, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.

He should have been fired after the scandal broke but OSU is as morally bankrupt as Meyer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Hernandez podcast series was good as a human interest story in that it put his whole life in context but it really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know about college or professional football. It did confirm Meyer and Belichick are tosspots, though.

I'd never heard his high school quarterback talking about them having a sexual relationship together. Had you?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.

He should have been fired after the scandal broke but OSU is as morally bankrupt as Meyer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Hernandez podcast series was good as a human interest story in that it put his whole life in context but it really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know about college or professional football. It did confirm Meyer and Belichick are tosspots, though.

I'd never heard his high school quarterback talking about them having a sexual relationship together. Had you?

That's why I said the human interest element was good. It was known before now he was gay, though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 04, 2018, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 04, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 04, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 04, 2018, 03:28:56 PM
Not really a surprise, given his health issues (brain cyst?) as well as that chaos at the start of the season.

He should have been fired after the scandal broke but OSU is as morally bankrupt as Meyer. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The Hernandez podcast series was good as a human interest story in that it put his whole life in context but it really didn't tell us anything we didn't already know about college or professional football. It did confirm Meyer and Belichick are tosspots, though.

I'd never heard his high school quarterback talking about them having a sexual relationship together. Had you?

That's why I said the human interest element was good. It was known before now he was gay, though.

He wasn't gay. He was bi it seems. I really don't know what you wanted OSU to do about Meyer though? There was no clear evidence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 07, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
Derrick Henry ffs. The week I decide to pick up the jags D.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 07, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 07, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
Derrick Henry ffs. The week I decide to pick up the jags D.

I thought about playing them in one league but despite last weeks good performance I decided not to. They're just not the force of last season for some reason. Still incredible to see them give up that much to a pretty average player (by NFL standards).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 07, 2018, 09:35:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 07, 2018, 09:21:23 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 07, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
Derrick Henry ffs. The week I decide to pick up the jags D.

I thought about playing them in one league but despite last weeks good performance I decided not to. They're just not the force of last season for some reason. Still incredible to see them give up that much to a pretty average player (by NFL standards).

I only saw a couple of minutes of highlights this morning, but his 99 yard TD run featured some of the most pathetic tackling I've ever seen. It was like a teenager holding off a 6 year old.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 07, 2018, 09:40:48 AM
I picked them up as they looked to be getting back more towards last year's levels and Tennessee had looked appalling the last few weeks. Then this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 07, 2018, 02:33:11 PM
Alex Smith still in hospital battle infections stemming from the multiple surgeries on his right leg. Thank god he signed a fat contract in the off-season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 09, 2018, 11:57:03 AM
SEC Championship game looks like it cost Tua the Heisman.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 09, 2018, 09:11:50 PM
Jesus Dolphins  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on December 09, 2018, 09:39:38 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 09, 2018, 09:11:50 PM
Jesus Dolphins  ;D
Poor Gronk  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on December 10, 2018, 03:34:49 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 09, 2018, 09:11:50 PM
Jesus Dolphins  ;D
That was fantastic, watching it live and can't stop reswatching it since, few things have brought me as much exhilaration in sport
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 10, 2018, 06:03:31 AM
The Bears are who we thought they were


https://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2018120901/2018/REG14/Rams@Bears?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2018120901

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 10, 2018, 08:13:13 AM
Some really, really bad QB in that late game. Still don't think the Bears will get out of the NFC as Trubisky is so ropey but Goff looked absolutely awful.

The OT score for the Cowboys was harsh on Philly. Dak got 30+ fantasy points last night but he was awful too, especially in the first half. Whoever wins the NFC East is getting smashed in round one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
New Orleans are the team to beat in the NFC but it will take a good team to beat da Bears. Unfortunately a couple of poor losses like last week to the Giants will probably mean they're on the road in the playoffs because they'd be awful hard to beat in Soldier Field. Trubisky was making progress before his injury so I'd expect him to impove on last night. Goff isn't a brilliant QB but is the poster boy for what a top class coach can do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 10, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
New Orleans are the team to beat in the NFC but it will take a good team to beat da Bears. Unfortunately a couple of poor losses like last week to the Giants will probably mean they're on the road in the playoffs because they'd be awful hard to beat in Soldier Field. Trubisky was making progress before his injury so I'd expect him to impove on last night. Goff isn't a brilliant QB but is the poster boy for what a top class coach can do.

Saints were very poor in the first half yesterday, in particular Brees.  The running game finally seemed to kick the offence into gear in the second half but overall it wasnt an impressive performance. Stuttering a little.

Rams losing was a nice bonus.

Was Gronk on the defense as protection for the hail mary? Man turned like a bus.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 10, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
New Orleans are the team to beat in the NFC but it will take a good team to beat da Bears. Unfortunately a couple of poor losses like last week to the Giants will probably mean they're on the road in the playoffs because they'd be awful hard to beat in Soldier Field. Trubisky was making progress before his injury so I'd expect him to impove on last night. Goff isn't a brilliant QB but is the poster boy for what a top class coach can do.

Saints were very poor in the first half yesterday, in particular Brees.  The running game finally seemed to kick the offence into gear in the second half but overall it wasnt an impressive performance. Stuttering a little.

Rams losing was a nice bonus.

Was Gronk on the defense as protection for the hail mary? Man turned like a bus.

Ya. Between that, Brady inexplicably taking a sack to allow time expire at the end of the first half and former player Brandon Bolden's 2 TD's it was a hilarious day for those of us who do not like the Patriots. Belichick will be furious!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 10, 2018, 03:35:49 PM
Hey, don't rule us Brownies out! Pittsburgh and Baltimore lose out and we win all three, we're right there 🎯 🐶
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on December 10, 2018, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 10, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
New Orleans are the team to beat in the NFC but it will take a good team to beat da Bears. Unfortunately a couple of poor losses like last week to the Giants will probably mean they're on the road in the playoffs because they'd be awful hard to beat in Soldier Field. Trubisky was making progress before his injury so I'd expect him to impove on last night. Goff isn't a brilliant QB but is the poster boy for what a top class coach can do.

Saints were very poor in the first half yesterday, in particular Brees.  The running game finally seemed to kick the offence into gear in the second half but overall it wasnt an impressive performance. Stuttering a little.

Rams losing was a nice bonus.

Was Gronk on the defense as protection for the hail mary? Man turned like a bus.

Ya. Between that, Brady inexplicably taking a sack to allow time expire at the end of the first half and former player Brandon Bolden's 2 TD's it was a hilarious day for those of us who do not like the Patriots. Belichick will be furious!
https://www.patriots.com/video/bill-belichick-12-9-it-came-down-to-one-play

Gotta love Belichick press conferences, he makes Jim Gavin look animated.  I was half expecting tumbleweed to roll past at one stage.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 10, 2018, 04:38:04 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on December 10, 2018, 03:35:49 PM
Hey, don't rule us Brownies out! Pittsburgh and Baltimore lose out and we win all three, we're right there 🎯 🐶

3 games to go and only 6 teams mathematically out of it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 10, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on December 10, 2018, 03:47:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 10, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 10, 2018, 09:24:26 AM
New Orleans are the team to beat in the NFC but it will take a good team to beat da Bears. Unfortunately a couple of poor losses like last week to the Giants will probably mean they're on the road in the playoffs because they'd be awful hard to beat in Soldier Field. Trubisky was making progress before his injury so I'd expect him to impove on last night. Goff isn't a brilliant QB but is the poster boy for what a top class coach can do.

Saints were very poor in the first half yesterday, in particular Brees.  The running game finally seemed to kick the offence into gear in the second half but overall it wasnt an impressive performance. Stuttering a little.

Rams losing was a nice bonus.

Was Gronk on the defense as protection for the hail mary? Man turned like a bus.

Ya. Between that, Brady inexplicably taking a sack to allow time expire at the end of the first half and former player Brandon Bolden's 2 TD's it was a hilarious day for those of us who do not like the Patriots. Belichick will be furious!
https://www.patriots.com/video/bill-belichick-12-9-it-came-down-to-one-play

Gotta love Belichick press conferences, he makes Jim Gavin look animated.  I was half expecting tumbleweed to roll past at one stage.

https://youtu.be/kjeh_PiqUU8
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 11, 2018, 01:49:13 AM
Massive c**k up by the Pats to have Gronk in on that play. The package they had on the field was for a Hail Mary and that was never gonna happen from their 35!!
That's like something the Jets would do.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 14, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
Massive win for Chargers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 14, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 14, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
Massive win for Chargers

Rivers having some season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 14, 2018, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 14, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 14, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
Massive win for Chargers

Rivers having some season.

How did Hunter Henry play ?  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on December 14, 2018, 10:48:11 AM
Quote from: Minder on December 14, 2018, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 14, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 14, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
Massive win for Chargers

Rivers having some season.

How did Hunter Henry play ?  ;D
;D That really was laughable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 14, 2018, 10:54:26 AM
Stephen A. is an absolutely clueless moron. About everything.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 14, 2018, 12:17:05 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 14, 2018, 10:54:26 AM
Stephen A. is an absolutely clueless moron. About everything.

Anyone can make a mistake but to make so many in such a short period of time shows how clueless he is. The shows he is on are pointless though...there's no level of analysis....it's barstool bullshit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 14, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 14, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 14, 2018, 08:06:09 AM
Massive win for Chargers

Rivers having some season.

Great to see Chargers going for the win in regulation in the two pointer. "He who dares wins Rodney"  8) 8)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on December 16, 2018, 11:20:12 PM
It's a while since I've seen anyone with the kicking yips!! Pittsburgh fans must be pulling their hair out!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2018, 09:05:46 AM
Too soon to stick a stake in the Pats ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2018, 09:12:14 AM
Enjoyed that last night. Brilliant from the Bears. A long time suffering for us Bears fans up to now. With the Rams losing again and appearing a bit wobbly the last few weeks, a bye is now not out of the question either. Dunno how the Bears gave up 30 odd points to the Gians a few weeks back....could end up being a costly defeat that one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 17, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
Any recommended NFL podcasts? The only one I've really tried is Vernon Kays and i'm sure there are better ones out there. It's a minefield though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 17, 2018, 10:17:56 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 17, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
Any recommended NFL podcasts? The only one I've really tried is Vernon Kays and i'm sure there are better ones out there. It's a minefield though.

Move the Sticks is good with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks, Around the NFL is another popular one but i wouldn't be mad about it, too many cooks maybe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 17, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2018, 09:12:14 AM
Enjoyed that last night. Brilliant from the Bears. A long time suffering for us Bears fans up to now. With the Rams losing again and appearing a bit wobbly the last few weeks, a bye is now not out of the question either. Dunno how the Bears gave up 30 odd points to the Gians a few weeks back....could end up being a costly defeat that one.

Great win, Trubisky had a good game and now I want to see him put three of these good games together which he hasn't really done yet this season. This defence is legit and as much as I loved the Mike Brown, Urlacher and Tillman defence that D couldn't rush the passer like this version of the Monsters of the Midway!!. If MT can stay in the above average to good category for his QB play for the rest of this season the playoffs will be exciting for da Bearz!! Bear Down!!!

Shout out to Oraisteach and the Brownies who will hopefully finish above .500 this season with a chance to knock their old friends the Ravens out of the playoffs in week 17!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 17, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on December 17, 2018, 11:55:51 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 17, 2018, 09:12:14 AM
Enjoyed that last night. Brilliant from the Bears. A long time suffering for us Bears fans up to now. With the Rams losing again and appearing a bit wobbly the last few weeks, a bye is now not out of the question either. Dunno how the Bears gave up 30 odd points to the Gians a few weeks back....could end up being a costly defeat that one.

Great win, Trubisky had a good game and now I want to see him put three of these good games together which he hasn't really done yet this season. This defence is legit and as much as I loved the Mike Brown, Urlacher and Tillman defence that D couldn't rush the passer like this version of the Monsters of the Midway!!. If MT can stay in the above average to good category for his QB play for the rest of this season the playoffs will be exciting for da Bearz!! Bear Down!!!

Shout out to Oraisteach and the Brownies who will hopefully finish above .500 this season with a chance to knock their old friends the Ravens out of the playoffs in week 17!!

While he hasn't been lights out by the standards of modernd day QB stats, I think I saw a telling stat last night - he has the highest QBR of any Bears QB since McMahon in 1984. With a defence like this one, that's going to get the job done. Urlacher, Briggs and co got Rex Grossman to a SB and nearly won it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 17, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
The Jets and Jaguars defences made Sanchez and Bortles look component but it ended up being totally inconsequential. Whatever a Bears team did or didn't do in another era has no bearing on this season. Trubisky was a bad pick at a terrible price.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 17, 2018, 04:47:20 PM
Mack managed to get a sack with his back

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1074373355459899392 (https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1074373355459899392)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on December 17, 2018, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 17, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
The Jets and Jaguars defences made Sanchez and Bortles look component but it ended up being totally inconsequential. Whatever a Bears team did or didn't do in another era has no bearing on this season. Trubisky was a bad pick at a terrible price.

Not really seeing how you're so sure that Trubisky is a bad pick, we can only go on results and as it is he is being successful. Also Sanchez wasn't as horrible as imagined. He went into Foxboro and came out with a win, went to the Bengals and did the same. He finished his career tamely but that was due to nerves and lack of confidence rather than ability.

But again Syf, my opinion is probably wrong and yours is right.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on December 17, 2018, 10:51:06 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 17, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
Any recommended NFL podcasts? The only one I've really tried is Vernon Kays and i'm sure there are better ones out there. It's a minefield though.

The Mina Kimes podcast (ESPN) is very good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 18, 2018, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: Therealdonald on December 17, 2018, 10:01:58 PM
Quote from: Syferus on December 17, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
The Jets and Jaguars defences made Sanchez and Bortles look component but it ended up being totally inconsequential. Whatever a Bears team did or didn't do in another era has no bearing on this season. Trubisky was a bad pick at a terrible price.

Not really seeing how you're so sure that Trubisky is a bad pick, we can only go on results and as it is he is being successful. Also Sanchez wasn't as horrible as imagined. He went into Foxboro and came out with a win, went to the Bengals and did the same. He finished his career tamely but that was due to nerves and lack of confidence rather than ability.

But again Syf, my opinion is probably wrong and yours is right.
Fixed that for ya....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 20, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
File this one under "not surprised"...........Gordon facing an "indefinite suspension"

Josh Gordon to step away from football to focus on his mental health

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/25580285/new-england-patriots-receiver-josh-gordon-says-stepping-away-focus-mental-health

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 20, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
File this one under "not surprised"...........Gordon facing an "indefinite suspension"

Josh Gordon to step away from football to focus on his mental health

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/25580285/new-england-patriots-receiver-josh-gordon-says-stepping-away-focus-mental-health

A troubled young man. Awful pity, but no team should touch this lad ever again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 20, 2018, 05:04:24 PM
Guy just loves himself some weed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 20, 2018, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
File this one under "not surprised"...........Gordon facing an "indefinite suspension"

Josh Gordon to step away from football to focus on his mental health

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/25580285/new-england-patriots-receiver-josh-gordon-says-stepping-away-focus-mental-health

A troubled young man. Awful pity, but no team should touch this lad ever again.

He should just have beaten the shit out of his girlfriend or kids and everything would be sound.  ::)

NFL's priorities are fcuked up. Not saying it's right but from previous indiscretions it's not like he'd taking something to improve his performance. If it's weed again then it's bullshit - that stuff is legal in many states in the US now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 21, 2018, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 20, 2018, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
File this one under "not surprised"...........Gordon facing an "indefinite suspension"

Josh Gordon to step away from football to focus on his mental health

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/25580285/new-england-patriots-receiver-josh-gordon-says-stepping-away-focus-mental-health

A troubled young man. Awful pity, but no team should touch this lad ever again.

He should just have beaten the shit out of his girlfriend or kids and everything would be sound.  ::)

NFL's priorities are fcuked up. Not saying it's right but from previous indiscretions it's not like he'd taking something to improve his performance. If it's weed again then it's bullshit - that stuff is legal in many states in the US now.

Everything would be sound? How's Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt doing?

He's obviously got a problem even if it's only weed. If you can't stop yourself from taking something you've been in trouble for numerous times before, and it jeopardises your entire career, then it's beyond 'it's just weed'. That's addictive behaviour. I know you thought this was no lose for the Patriots, but this was predictable from day one.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 21, 2018, 01:11:25 PM
For every Rice and Hunt there's a Mixon and Zeke though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 21, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 21, 2018, 01:11:25 PM
For every Rice and Hunt there's a Mixon and Zeke though.

The NFL's disciplinary process is all over the gaff, I'll grant you.  Seems like they need a video to become public before they crack down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 21, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 21, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 21, 2018, 01:11:25 PM
For every Rice and Hunt there's a Mixon and Zeke though.

The NFL's disciplinary process is all over the gaff, I'll grant you.  Seems like they need a video to become public before they crack down.

Yup


In fairness to Seanie, I think his tongue was firmly stuck in his cheek :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 21, 2018, 02:30:15 PM
It wasn't "just weed" with Gordon, he admitted to being on all sorts, weed, alcohol, painkillers etc. I read a bit last year about his life growing up and like a lot those fellas it's a miracle he ever played a down in the NFL. Football is the least of his problems by the sounds of it.

I know the NFLs policy on weed and booze seems a bit harsh the players union agreed to it at the last collective bargaining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 21, 2018, 02:39:17 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 21, 2018, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 20, 2018, 11:45:58 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 20, 2018, 03:55:56 PM
File this one under "not surprised"...........Gordon facing an "indefinite suspension"

Josh Gordon to step away from football to focus on his mental health

http://www.espn.co.uk/nfl/story/_/id/25580285/new-england-patriots-receiver-josh-gordon-says-stepping-away-focus-mental-health

A troubled young man. Awful pity, but no team should touch this lad ever again.

He should just have beaten the shit out of his girlfriend or kids and everything would be sound.  ::)

NFL's priorities are fcuked up. Not saying it's right but from previous indiscretions it's not like he'd taking something to improve his performance. If it's weed again then it's bullshit - that stuff is legal in many states in the US now.

Everything would be sound? How's Ray Rice and Kareem Hunt doing?

He's obviously got a problem even if it's only weed. If you can't stop yourself from taking something you've been in trouble for numerous times before, and it jeopardises your entire career, then it's beyond 'it's just weed'. That's addictive behaviour. I know you thought this was no lose for the Patriots, but this was predictable from day one.

It was a no lose for the Patriots. They got a reasonable level of production while he was there and will get a draft pick back in compensation.

I'm just saying I'm not sure a guy should be stopped doing his job for doing something that's actually legal, certainly in a lot of states. By all means if it's impairing his performance he can be benched and fined by his employer. It is disappointing though that a guy with such opportunity in life can't be professional enough to grasp it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 21, 2018, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 21, 2018, 02:30:15 PM
It wasn't "just weed" with Gordon, he admitted to being on all sorts, weed, alcohol, painkillers etc. I read a bit last year about his life growing up and like a lot those fellas it's a miracle he ever played a down in the NFL. Football is the least of his problems by the sounds of it.

I know the NFLs policy on weed and booze seems a bit harsh the players union agreed to it at the last collective bargaining.

A lot of these guys come from awful situations and that's why I'd always root for them. They're all being exploited and underpaid to make money for already rich guys. They face huge physical risks that can have lifelong consequences. They know it but they do it becasue very often there are massive groups of people relying on them to come through and be the meal ticket. Because if you put your head above the parapet and say "this isn't right" you get blackballed and/or drug tested after every game. The NFL is sick. I love watching these athletes play but beneath the surface it's rotten.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 24, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Some serious changes in the permutations yesterday. Steelers had the AFC wrapped up with a 4th down they fucked up on a PI call and then gave up a 3rd and 20 after it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 24, 2018, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Some serious changes in the permutations yesterday. Steelers had the AFC wrapped up with a 4th down they fucked up on a PI call and then gave up a 3rd and 20 after it.

Yeah think Tomlin will be fired if they don't make playoffs, they should have pissed that division
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on December 24, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 24, 2018, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Some serious changes in the permutations yesterday. Steelers had the AFC wrapped up with a 4th down they fucked up on a PI call and then gave up a 3rd and 20 after it.

Yeah think Tomlin will be fired if they don't make playoffs, they should have pissed that division

Awful PI call in the end zone against Haden for the first Saints TD. The decision to run a fake punt when up by 4 with about four minutes to go was strange as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 24, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: TabClear on December 24, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 24, 2018, 11:49:28 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 24, 2018, 11:47:38 AM
Some serious changes in the permutations yesterday. Steelers had the AFC wrapped up with a 4th down they fucked up on a PI call and then gave up a 3rd and 20 after it.

Yeah think Tomlin will be fired if they don't make playoffs, they should have pissed that division

Awful PI call in the end zone against Haden for the first Saints TD. The decision to run a fake punt when up by 4 with about four minutes to go was strange as well.

That call was bang on. Clear push in the back. What was ridiculous was Haden pushing him when the pass was ten feet above them.

I've no issue with the fake punt call either, they were trying to end the game. The play they called was more than a bit ambitious however
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 25, 2018, 12:02:22 AM
It was far from a clear push in the back, I can see why it was called , but even Gene Steratore said in the booth it was a marginal call. If Tomlin is fired, it won't be because of last night. They blew a 14 lead at home to the Chargers in the 4th. Lost to a poor Broncos team, tied the Browns when they were poor and unforgivably lost a 16 point lead to an absolute garbage Raiders outfit...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 29, 2018, 10:53:43 PM
With a Clemson TD 2 secs before the end of the half, this could get ugly for Notre Dame.

HT: Clemson 23  Notre Dame 3

FT: Clemson 30. Notre Dame 3

Dour affair.  Commentators resorted to filling air time with chatter in 4th qtr. 

Another beat down under way. It's still the 1st qtr and Alabama is thumping Oklahoma 21-0

HT: Alabama 31  Ohlahoma 10

Though OU fell behind 28-0, they rallied but came up short.

FT: Alabama 45 Oklahoma 34.

Should be a good championship match-up. Only ND looked out of its depth.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on December 30, 2018, 11:27:24 AM
Think it's too much to say ND was out of its depth - the 3 TDs in the 2nd qrtr were all when Love was out of the game, plus thought the reversal of the Clemson fumble going ob was very close, don't think the nose of the ball touched the white line

Clemson still the better team but ND deserved their place in the playoff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 30, 2018, 07:13:43 PM
ND never seemed likely to score a TD against the Clemson defense. Do think that Georgia and Ohio State would have made for a better match, though with OSU's debacle against Purdue, they didn't deserve to be in the playoff, even as Big 10 champs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 09:45:24 PM
Have a feeling the browns are going to do the Ravens. Certainly a good start.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
Crazy decision for the refs to whistle that Jackson play as breaking the plane. Absolutely fucked the Browns out of a defensive TD.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on December 30, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Would it not be best for the Bears to loose this game. They can clearly dominate the Vikings and will beat them easily in the play offs. The eagles are a bit more of an unknown and playing better than Minnesota at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 11:31:03 PM
Mike Zimmer just unsuccessfully challenged a clearly correct spot of the ball and in doing so voided his team successfully converting a 4th and 1. They got away with. Just.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 30, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Would it not be best for the Bears to loose this game. They can clearly dominate the Vikings and will beat them easily in the play offs. The eagles are a bit more of an unknown and playing better than Minnesota at the minute.

Probably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 31, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 30, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Would it not be best for the Bears to loose this game. They can clearly dominate the Vikings and will beat them easily in the play offs. The eagles are a bit more of an unknown and playing better than Minnesota at the minute.

Probably.

Nagy isn't that smart I think the Eagles might beat them next week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
Ffs AZ, Cardinals can't even lock up the number one overall pick properly!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 12:15:24 AM
Getting the finish we wanted in the AFC North.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 12:21:40 AM
1st and goal and David Njoku catches a pass from Mayfield in the endzone. Looked ok but was called incomplete. Rather than challenge, Gregg Williams takes a timeout. f**king idiocy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 12:48:13 AM
That was great. Steelers have only themselves to blame but maybe not making the playoffs won't do them any harm as they weren't going anywhere anyway. Conner looks to be a top back. JuJu is elite. They'll be competing for the next few years still.

Mayfield is legit. Jackson is legit. Division going to be great for several years to come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 31, 2018, 01:06:08 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 31, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 30, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Would it not be best for the Bears to loose this game. They can clearly dominate the Vikings and will beat them easily in the play offs. The eagles are a bit more of an unknown and playing better than Minnesota at the minute.

Probably.

Nagy isn't that smart I think the Eagles might beat them next week.

Nate Sudfeld might be starting. I'll take that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 31, 2018, 01:06:08 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 31, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 30, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Would it not be best for the Bears to loose this game. They can clearly dominate the Vikings and will beat them easily in the play offs. The eagles are a bit more of an unknown and playing better than Minnesota at the minute.

Probably.

Nagy isn't that smart I think the Eagles might beat them next week.

Nate Sudfeld might be starting. I'll take that.

Agholor gave the ball from the TD he caught off Sudman to a kid in the crowd. Sudman raced up and took it back off him  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
Crazy decision for the refs to whistle that Jackson play as breaking the plane. Absolutely fucked the Browns out of a defensive TD.

This out the Ravens in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 31, 2018, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
Crazy decision for the refs to whistle that Jackson play as breaking the plane. Absolutely fucked the Browns out of a defensive TD.

This out the Ravens in the playoffs.

Ya, it probably did. I just don't understand why you'd blow it dead. Terrible officiating. Ravens will be awkward opponents in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 31, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
Ffs AZ, Cardinals can't even lock up the number one overall pick properly!

Got there in the end though!

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-order-2019-picks-for-non-playoff-teams-cardinals-browns/1qzi2p246cn271sl77zuvg3ups (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-order-2019-picks-for-non-playoff-teams-cardinals-browns/1qzi2p246cn271sl77zuvg3ups)

Draft order for non playoff teams
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 31, 2018, 10:08:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 10:43:31 PM
Crazy decision for the refs to whistle that Jackson play as breaking the plane. Absolutely fucked the Browns out of a defensive TD.

This out the Ravens in the playoffs.

Ya, it probably did. I just don't understand why you'd blow it dead. Terrible officiating. Ravens will be awkward opponents in the playoffs.

Not a big enough fuss being made out of it either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 31, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
AFC playoffs especially are really exciting. Think they can all beat each other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 31, 2018, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 31, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 31, 2018, 12:09:40 AM
Ffs AZ, Cardinals can't even lock up the number one overall pick properly!

Got there in the end though!

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-order-2019-picks-for-non-playoff-teams-cardinals-browns/1qzi2p246cn271sl77zuvg3ups (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-order-2019-picks-for-non-playoff-teams-cardinals-browns/1qzi2p246cn271sl77zuvg3ups)

Draft order for non playoff teams

They have just fired Wilks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on December 31, 2018, 02:54:39 PM
Playoffs 1st round WildCard:

Colts vs Texans    Depends on how Indy's D plays and if TY can actually run----Texans by 5

Chargers vs Ravens  Balt D too good and Rivers playing piss poor last two weeks-----Ravens by 8

Seahawks vs Cowboys   This will be close but Dallas D wins it------------Boys by 3

Eagles vs Bears    Bears D will dominate on the lake shore and knock Nick out of game-----Bears by 12



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 05, 2019, 11:03:43 PM
Houston getting completely manhandled by the Colts in the first half !
The colts OL is dominating ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 06, 2019, 01:35:32 AM
Colts win 21-7. A disappointing game. Hopefully the Seahawks Cowboys game is more entertsining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 06, 2019, 02:01:27 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 06, 2019, 01:35:32 AM
Colts win 21-7. A disappointing game. Hopefully the Seahawks Cowboys game is more entertsining.

Not so far anyway!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 06, 2019, 02:29:24 AM
Poor game so far , probably looking at the 2 worst sides in the NFC side...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 07, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
What a horrible way to lose a game!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 12:51:46 AM
Bears only themselves to blame. No reason to beat the Vikings last week and it's come back to bite them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 07, 2019, 12:55:01 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 31, 2018, 12:06:53 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 30, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on December 30, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
Would it not be best for the Bears to loose this game. They can clearly dominate the Vikings and will beat them easily in the play offs. The eagles are a bit more of an unknown and playing better than Minnesota at the minute.

Probably.

Nagy isn't that smart I think the Eagles might beat them next week.

The vikings couldn't cope with the Bears defence. Nagy should have thrown the game last week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 12:56:19 AM
Exactly. Little foresight and deserved to lose as a result
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Syferus on January 07, 2019, 01:41:50 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 12:51:46 AM
Bears only themselves to blame. No reason to beat the Vikings last week and it's come back to bite them

This perspective is absolutely insane
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 02:02:41 AM
Quote from: Syferus on January 07, 2019, 01:41:50 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 12:51:46 AM
Bears only themselves to blame. No reason to beat the Vikings last week and it's come back to bite them

This perspective is absolutely insane

Why?  They dominated against the Vikings twice this season on all sides of the ball. They had the chance to have a home game against them or play the defending champions who were in good form but against whom they didn't match up as well. They chose the latter. They could easily have pulled starters early last week but they chose to keep them on until the fourth quarter so that they could play the eagles. Then when they did they couldn't even get the correct number of players on the pitch for every play giving up a touchdown in the process.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 07, 2019, 07:42:33 PM
I'd say it's safe to say most people don't get to the highest levels of professional sports by throwing games. Bears were desperately unlucky last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
I thought they were poorly coached and indisciplined. I thought they were in fact very lucky and got a lot of the mariginal calls. I also think there's a difference between throwing a game and clever game management to ensure a better long term situation for your team. I think a lot of top teams take whatever advantage they can whether that's underperforming after you've qualified for the next round in an attempt to eliminate a more dangerous opponent or deliberately playing poorly in a match so as to not tip your hand for a later encounter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on January 08, 2019, 03:17:28 AM
Game's not over, but it's nice to see a team in orange beating a team in red. C'mon, Clemson. Don't fold.

An Orange crush!

FT. Clemson 44  Alabama 16
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 08, 2019, 08:26:46 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 07, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
I thought they were poorly coached and indisciplined. I thought they were in fact very lucky and got a lot of the mariginal calls. I also think there's a difference between throwing a game and clever game management to ensure a better long term situation for your team. I think a lot of top teams take whatever advantage they can whether that's underperforming after you've qualified for the next round in an attempt to eliminate a more dangerous opponent or deliberately playing poorly in a match so as to not tip your hand for a later encounter.

Can't say I saw it that way. The two point conversion attempt was silly and they should have moved Mack around more on defense maybe but I really think they came out the wrong side on a good few calls. And when there was less than a minute in it the Eagles produced a poor kickoff enabling a long return. Then Trubisky victimised the Eagles corner again, albeit with a perfect throw worthy of any QB in the situation. Dumbass kicker missed (I know they're saying the defense got a touch but it seemed like he pulled it to me) and that has changed the narrative.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 09, 2019, 12:13:31 AM
Seanie, Parkey was 3 for 4 and hit the post on the final one , which as we'll know was now slightly tipped. The Bears scored one TD , against a secondary that were mostly walking the streets 3 months ago. That's a poor Philly rearguard and Drew Brees will punch big holes in them this week. Nagy deserves coach of the year to get as much out of them as he did. They're very limited offensively, and it's mostly tricks and gimmicks every week with a great defense. Jury still out on Trubisky, hard to judge him with the surrounding cast he has to throw to , the bears definitely need some help next year at the skill positions..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 09, 2019, 02:29:41 AM
Bruce Arians to the Bucs, Todd Bowles as DC , they could be an interesting team next year, lot of offensive talent...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2019, 08:57:17 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 09, 2019, 02:29:41 AM
Bruce Arians to the Bucs, Todd Bowles as DC , they could be an interesting team next year, lot of offensive talent...

And Kliff Kingsbury to the Cardinals. Fecking hell. I know he was instrumental in both Patrick Mahomes' and Baker Mayfield's development, but his record at Texas Tech wouldn't inspire confidence as a head coach. More than any other hire, he's going to need an excellent OC and especially DC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 09, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
Anyone watching the new season of QB1 on Netflix?

First season was very good. I can't get over the number of coaches these high schools have. I think one team had 22 coaches.

Who pays those wages - sponsors, rich parents etc??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 09, 2019, 10:33:14 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 09, 2019, 10:22:02 AM
Anyone watching the new season of QB1 on Netflix?

First season was very good. I can't get over the number of coaches these high schools have. I think one team had 22 coaches.

Who pays those wages - sponsors, rich parents etc??
I've watched the first couple episodes and funny enough I had the same thought. Serious number of coaches.
It's interesting the possible links/QB competition between season 1 + 2 with Georgia, Ohio State + Wake Forest.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
I'm not familiar with this QB1. What's the premise?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 09, 2019, 11:54:19 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 09, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
I'm not familiar with this QB1. What's the premise?

Its a series on netflix AZ. Follows star quarterbacks from a number of high schools across the states.

They all appear to have offers on the table from big colleges.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 09, 2019, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 09, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
I'm not familiar with this QB1. What's the premise?

Follows 3 of the top High School QB's in the country throughout their senior year.
Season 1 had Jake Fromm (Georgia), Tate Martell (Ohio State) and Tayvon Bowers (Wake Forest).
Season 2 has Justin Fields (Georgia/Ohio State), Sam Hartman (Wake Forest) and Re-al Mitchell (Iowa State).

Fromm won the Georgia starting job over Fields this year who is now transferring to Ohio State where he will compete with Martell for the starting role. Hartman won it over Bowers at Wake Forest.

 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 09, 2019, 12:15:50 PM
What about Matt LeFleur to the Packers as head coach? As Titans OC this season gone he don't set the world alight albeit with a poor receiving corps.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 09, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 09, 2019, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 09, 2019, 11:28:54 AM
I'm not familiar with this QB1. What's the premise?

Follows 3 of the top High School QB's in the country throughout their senior year.
Season 1 had Jake Fromm (Georgia), Tate Martell (Ohio State) and Tayvon Bowers (Wake Forest).
Season 2 has Justin Fields (Georgia/Ohio State), Sam Hartman (Wake Forest) and Re-al Mitchell (Iowa State).

Fromm won the Georgia starting job over Fields this year who is now transferring to Ohio State where he will compete with Martell for the starting role. Hartman won it over Bowers at Wake Forest.



Cheers, yeah I'm familiar with Jake Fromm. So it's a documentary that follows them through their High School senior year, into the All American games etc?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 12, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
Colts in an early jam against the Chiefs, can't stop them 😬
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 12, 2019, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 12, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
Colts in an early jam against the Chiefs, can't stop them 😬

Chiefs look way too good for them on both sides!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 12, 2019, 11:59:19 PM
Luck is such a quality QB but tonight he has been f@cking awfull along with just about all the other colts. The fool that was gyrating in front of the official needs to be thrown off the team. Sometimes the rugby lads give away brain dead penalties but these guys bring it to a new level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 12:16:44 AM
Colts defense keeping them in the game. Not looking good for them on Offense but game ain't quite over yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Christmas Lights on January 13, 2019, 12:17:48 AM
Colts need a TD within the next minute imo to have any hope here
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Christmas Lights on January 13, 2019, 12:22:34 AM
Colts QB is pureee shiteeee
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 12:41:33 AM
Ball burst .. game now over..IND 13 - KC 31
Bit harsh on Luck there. He wasn't exactly getting much help.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 03:32:25 AM
Rams looking a much better team but Peters (LA corner back) is working hard at keeping Dallas in the Game. Only one score in it and Cowboys are driving.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 03:57:37 AM
Rams are running over Dallas.  Cowboys 15 Rams 30 .. Dallas driving .. just converted on 4th and one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 04:08:06 AM
Penalty against Rams in end zone puts Dallas on the 1 yard line. Prescott dives over for touchdown.
Score now Cowboys 22 Rams 30
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 04:11:56 AM
3rd and long on the 2 minute warning. Rams driving.. if they can get a first down game is over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 13, 2019, 04:14:37 AM
You got a love Cal QBs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 13, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Phillip Rivers is a broken man!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on January 13, 2019, 08:38:18 PM
Rivers has been terrible - yes he's been under unreal pressure but hasn't looked to get the ball into the flat at anytime to Gordon and has been crying at the officials since 1st qrtr

Pats have been worryingly good tho!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2019, 12:11:10 AM
Saints are slowly getting the better of the Eagles who got out to a 14-0 lead on the saints. Currently 17-14 to the saints in the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 14, 2019, 09:10:53 AM
Horrible start from the Saints. Right from the interception on the first play by Brees. 14-0 down in first quarter. What a step up from that point onwards. Eagles barely able to get a first down at all on their possessions. Michael Thomas was untouchable and from half time the Saints finally started to get Kamara into the game. They'd have to be concerned about the amount of penalties that they gave away though (particularly frustrated by the Hill to Kamara TD being chalked off fs).

Special mention to Lattimore with the 2 picks.  He was excellent all night.

Rams will be a different animal. Saints have been decent at stopping the rush all year and they will need to be on top form in that regard. Thankfully it is in the Dome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 14, 2019, 09:53:58 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Yeah he was poor. looked like a lost sheep at times. loads of under thrown passes. the noise of the dome seemed to cause him major distractions too.  In saying that, their run game basically became non existent in the 2nd half and the saints were able to adjust the coverage accordingly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Would he be an upgrade for the Bears?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 14, 2019, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Would he be an upgrade for the Bears?
Giants?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 11:30:08 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Would he be an upgrade for the Bears?

No way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 14, 2019, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Would he be an upgrade for the Bears?

Dolphins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 12:21:20 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 14, 2019, 12:16:26 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Would he be an upgrade for the Bears?

Dolphins

Tannehill is better than Foles. He has had terrible coaching and support players. Foles has had the opposite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 12:42:04 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 11:30:08 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 14, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2019, 09:32:03 AM
We saw the real Nick Foles the last two weeks. Very average. Some team is going to go ahead and plough a load of cash into him in the offseason though.

Would he be an upgrade for the Bears?

No way.
I'm only rising 😀
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 15, 2019, 03:21:36 AM
f**k Shannon Sharpe , Rob Parker and that **** Max Kellerman have to be three of the biggest haters on the TV... their hatred of Brady and the Patriots is actually embarrassing, and they continue to get a platform to talk this shite.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 20, 2019, 07:24:18 PM
Chiefs and Saints to win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 20, 2019, 09:44:40 PM
Tight one in New Orleans...defences slightly on top in that first half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 20, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
Looks like it is heading to overtime. The Saints should have had a pass interference call in their favour that would have allowed them close out the game. I don't know how the refs missed it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 20, 2019, 11:24:30 PM
Saints robbed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 20, 2019, 11:27:38 PM
Rams win it with a 57 yard field goal in overtime. It should never have got that far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 20, 2019, 11:29:14 PM
Decided by a ban non call. Shame. Two very good teams. Rams will be hard to beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 20, 2019, 11:38:17 PM
Scandalous no call. I can't understand how it wasn't called. Even by the standards of playoffs refereeing, it was blatant. Terrible that it cost the Saints the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2019, 12:56:59 AM
14-0 Pats at the half... didn't see that coming
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 21, 2019, 03:15:29 AM
As an old teacher of mine used to say. Football is a 60 minute game that takes 3:30 to play and then the Patriots win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 21, 2019, 03:18:04 AM
That was pretty epic
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 21, 2019, 03:33:05 AM
Great game in the end. The pats are almost impossible to beat.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 21, 2019, 04:59:45 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 20, 2019, 07:24:18 PM
Chiefs and Saints to win.

Hope you didn't have money on it...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 21, 2019, 07:27:00 AM
Quote from: Muck Savage on January 21, 2019, 04:59:45 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on January 20, 2019, 07:24:18 PM
Chiefs and Saints to win.

Hope you didn't have money on it...
No.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2019, 07:49:08 AM
Officiating wasn't spectacular in the second game either. Not sure there was enough to overturn the Edelman muffed punt call and Brady got one of the worst roughing the passer calls I've ever seen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 21, 2019, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2019, 07:49:08 AM
Officiating wasn't spectacular in the second game either. Not sure there was enough to overturn the Edelman muffed punt call and Brady got one of the worst roughing the passer calls I've ever seen.

I thought there was enough on the punt. Looked clear to me there was no contact. The problem I have with the Roughing the passer call is two fold. One there was at least holding if not pass interference by the Chiefs against the receiver. Two whilst the swipe missed the helmet Brady then gets softly hit on the head by the defenders elbow. It's a very small touch and shouldn't be a foul but my understanding was that any contact to the head was a penalty. QB's are too well protected in that regard.

All that said I thought the officiating was very poor in both games. Two long conversations in the second game to merely say the Game Clock was right showed me the officials didn't really seem to know what was going on. I'm always at a loss why they split up teams for the playoffs. The criteria should be based on teams of officials not individuals who have never worked together.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 21, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
Disgusting no call in the Saints game. They let lots go in the game but that was as blatant and game changing as you can get. Compare that to the flag fest last week v the Eagles and you begin to see the inconsistencies.

In all honesty though the Saints really struggled on offence all evening (apart from a couple of decent drives). As expected, if Thomas was bottled up then a large part of the diversity is taken away.

What was the craic with Gurley?

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2019, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 21, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
Disgusting no call in the Saints game. They let lots go in the game but that was as blatant and game changing as you can get. Compare that to the flag fest last week v the Eagles and you begin to see the inconsistencies.

In all honesty though the Saints really struggled on offence all evening (apart from a couple of decent drives). As expected, if Thomas was bottled up then a large part of the diversity is taken away.

What was the craic with Gurley?

Yeah even though it was a terrible call and would have likely ended the game I thought the Rams were a bit better and just have more weapons and as you say a few more ways to beat you, god willing they can beat the Pats. Brees hasn't played well for quite a few weeks now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on January 21, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
Assuming he doesn't get injured between now and then Brady will have played in 17% of all super bowls by the end of the season. I think the discussion about him being theGoat is over but is he the best sportstar of his generation?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Estimator on January 21, 2019, 10:38:49 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2019, 08:52:57 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2019, 07:49:08 AM
Officiating wasn't spectacular in the second game either. Not sure there was enough to overturn the Edelman muffed punt call and Brady got one of the worst roughing the passer calls I've ever seen.

I thought there was enough on the punt. Looked clear to me there was no contact. The problem I have with the Roughing the passer call is two fold. One there was at least holding if not pass interference by the Chiefs against the receiver. Two whilst the swipe missed the helmet Brady then gets softly hit on the head by the defenders elbow. It's a very small touch and shouldn't be a foul but my understanding was that any contact to the head was a penalty. QB's are too well protected in that regard.


Sky showed clips from the Vikings/Saints NFC Championship game 2010(?), and highlighted some of the hits that Favre received in that game, commenting that it seems so long ago that defences could legally hit the QB in such a manner.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on January 21, 2019, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2019, 09:36:59 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 21, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
Disgusting no call in the Saints game. They let lots go in the game but that was as blatant and game changing as you can get. Compare that to the flag fest last week v the Eagles and you begin to see the inconsistencies.

In all honesty though the Saints really struggled on offence all evening (apart from a couple of decent drives). As expected, if Thomas was bottled up then a large part of the diversity is taken away.

What was the craic with Gurley?

Yeah even though it was a terrible call and would have likely ended the game I thought the Rams were a bit better and just have more weapons and as you say a few more ways to beat you, god willing they can beat the Pats. Brees hasn't played well for quite a few weeks now


Ben Watson was huge loss. Would have given them an extra weapon on the 1st 2 drives when they should have came away with at least 10pts rather than 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kurtz on January 21, 2019, 12:37:38 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on January 21, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
Assuming he doesn't get injured between now and then Brady will have played in 17% of all super bowls by the end of the season. I think the discussion about him being theGoat is over but is he the best sportstar of his generation?

Pats have 12 draft picks too
Its gonna be a long 2019 for all the haters
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2019, 01:30:42 PM
Back where it all started v the Rams, I wonder will they film the Rams walk through again?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kurtz on January 21, 2019, 02:37:53 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2019, 01:30:42 PM
Back where it all started v the Rams, I wonder will they film the Rams walk through again?

They have a saying in the US
If you ain't cheating some way then you ain't tryin hard enough
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 21, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Goff clearly got pulled on the face mask and this was also clearly missed.
The officials just seemed incompetent and why they dont use the same teams for these games is strange.

BTW the league allegedly saying to Payton straight after the game it should have been called was really hanging the referees out to dry
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 21, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 21, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Goff clearly got pulled on the face mask and this was also clearly missed.
The officials just seemed incompetent and why they dont use the same teams for these games is strange.

BTW the league allegedly saying to Payton straight after the game it should have been called was really hanging the referees out to dry

It was hanging them out, but Jaysus. It wasn't even close.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 21, 2019, 04:37:36 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 21, 2019, 04:34:26 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 21, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Goff clearly got pulled on the face mask and this was also clearly missed.
The officials just seemed incompetent and why they dont use the same teams for these games is strange.

BTW the league allegedly saying to Payton straight after the game it should have been called was really hanging the referees out to dry

It was hanging them out, but Jaysus. It wasn't even close.

Agree it wasnt even close but do they tell every coach straight after the game if the coach calls them?

If Rams lose and McVeigh calls do they say it should have been a face mask call?

How many decisions back or how important of a game does it need to be before they inform the coaches?

Sets a dangerous precedent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 21, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
Will there be a big shout for pass interference to be reviewable now??!

The game takes long enough nearly 3.5 hours for both lat night I know it was overtime but still!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Main Street on January 21, 2019, 09:28:04 PM
I think there's way too many reviews, At the 1/4 finals there was even a review called for a Brady throw that went loose, a frantic scramble ensued to claim the ball, VAR was called to determine did a Patriot hand last make contact with the ball before it went over the sideline. That's obsessive micro management VAR. I do think Rugby have it about right and the players can do with a break.

I tuned into the Patriots game just after half time, willing to give it 5 or 10 minutes before slumber but I couldn't take my eyes off the game, right to the last touch down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 21, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Brutal call, no excuse for missing that. That being said , that's not the first , nor will it be the last PI not called . The magnitude of the game and the timing of it definitely elevated it. In a weird way it will deflect a lot of the blame from Sean Payton. His play calling was poor, and Brees was and has been poor for over a month now. Not an indictment of both, but they were below average yesterday.
Three runs on that last series , the Rams have to burn both timeouts, worst case scenario kicking a 25 yard field goal , and leaving about 60 seconds on the clock for the Rams, with ZERO timeouts.
I thought the Rams were the better team....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 21, 2019, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Brutal call, no excuse for missing that. That being said , that's not the first , nor will it be the last PI not called . The magnitude of the game and the timing of it definitely elevated it. In a weird way it will deflect a lot of the blame from Sean Payton. His play calling was poor, and Brees was and has been poor for over a month now. Not an indictment of both, but they were below average yesterday.
Three runs on that last series , the Rams have to burn both timeouts, worst case scenario kicking a 25 yard field goal , and leaving about 60 seconds on the clock for the Rams, with ZERO timeouts.
I thought the Rams were the better team....

Yeah totally agree, Payton tries to get too clever at times and last night was one of them, and as I said earlier Brees hadn't been good for a while. If Gurley plays to his level Rams have a great chance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 22, 2019, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2019, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Brutal call, no excuse for missing that. That being said , that's not the first , nor will it be the last PI not called . The magnitude of the game and the timing of it definitely elevated it. In a weird way it will deflect a lot of the blame from Sean Payton. His play calling was poor, and Brees was and has been poor for over a month now. Not an indictment of both, but they were below average yesterday.
Three runs on that last series , the Rams have to burn both timeouts, worst case scenario kicking a 25 yard field goal , and leaving about 60 seconds on the clock for the Rams, with ZERO timeouts.
I thought the Rams were the better team....

Yeah totally agree, Payton tries to get too clever at times and last night was one of them, and as I said earlier Brees hadn't been good for a while. If Gurley plays to his level Rams have a great chance

That's if they let him on the field instead of the fat guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2019, 04:40:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 22, 2019, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Minder on January 21, 2019, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 21, 2019, 10:17:48 PM
Brutal call, no excuse for missing that. That being said , that's not the first , nor will it be the last PI not called . The magnitude of the game and the timing of it definitely elevated it. In a weird way it will deflect a lot of the blame from Sean Payton. His play calling was poor, and Brees was and has been poor for over a month now. Not an indictment of both, but they were below average yesterday.
Three runs on that last series , the Rams have to burn both timeouts, worst case scenario kicking a 25 yard field goal , and leaving about 60 seconds on the clock for the Rams, with ZERO timeouts.
I thought the Rams were the better team....

Yeah totally agree, Payton tries to get too clever at times and last night was one of them, and as I said earlier Brees hadn't been good for a while. If Gurley plays to his level Rams have a great chance

That's if they let him on the field instead of the fat guy.

Yeah that was strange, can't see that happening again. Even the fact he is lined up will open up the play action for Goff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 30, 2019, 04:37:50 PM
Getting close to Sunday ! I honestly think this game will be decided in the trenches by both sets of O lines and D lines. Whoever can get a pass rush and disrupt the QB will win. If Donald and Suh are quiet the Pats will win, Brady will shred them. Not sure if Gurley is 100%, there's definitely something up with him I think. Gilmore will go man to man on Woods and they'll double Cooks, Sonny Michel for MVP.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 30, 2019, 04:37:50 PM
Getting close to Sunday ! I honestly think this game will be decided in the trenches by both sets of O lines and D lines. Whoever can get a pass rush and disrupt the QB will win. If Donald and Suh are quiet the Pats will win, Brady will shred them. Not sure if Gurley is 100%, there's definitely something up with him I think. Gilmore will go man to man on Woods and they'll double Cooks, Sonny Michel for MVP.....

I think the vast majority of games are won like that. Especially among evenly matched teams. Brady will try and get rid of the ball quick to stop the pass rush, like he did v the Chargers. If he can do that, it will take away a lot of what the Rams like to do with Donald etc. Gronk could be huge factor again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 31, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 30, 2019, 04:37:50 PM
Getting close to Sunday ! I honestly think this game will be decided in the trenches by both sets of O lines and D lines. Whoever can get a pass rush and disrupt the QB will win. If Donald and Suh are quiet the Pats will win, Brady will shred them. Not sure if Gurley is 100%, there's definitely something up with him I think. Gilmore will go man to man on Woods and they'll double Cooks, Sonny Michel for MVP.....

I think the vast majority of games are won like that. Especially among evenly matched teams. Brady will try and get rid of the ball quick to stop the pass rush, like he did v the Chargers. If he can do that, it will take away a lot of what the Rams like to do with Donald etc. Gronk could be huge factor again.
rams need to look at what giants twice and eagles did to slow Brady down pressure straight up the middle of the pocket and jam receivers at the line of scrimmage so the timing is off , think we see a lot of running from pats early pass later , haven't seen too much of rams but they need a healthy gurley and Aaron Donald is a beast pats by 10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 31, 2019, 09:12:29 PM
Knicks are trading Porzingis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 31, 2019, 11:53:25 PM
7 player deal 😬😬😬
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 01, 2019, 06:25:56 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 31, 2019, 11:53:25 PM
7 player deal 😬😬😬

The Knicks are a particular standard of f**k up but if they've done this without some serious Intel that there getting KD in the summer it's an enormous mistake.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on February 01, 2019, 04:20:03 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I know feck all about NFL, but I reckon that the Rams will win 32-28.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 01, 2019, 04:37:05 PM
Monday booked off work. Hoping for a cracker. It would be nice to see the Rams win it, although i think the Patriots might pip them in a close one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 01, 2019, 07:21:58 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 01, 2019, 06:25:56 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 31, 2019, 11:53:25 PM
7 player deal 😬😬😬

The Knicks are a particular standard of f**k up but if they've done this without some serious Intel that there getting KD in the summer it's an enormous mistake.

Wanted out, apparently.  Also hearing rumors that he was cleared to play but was skipping practice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/sports/basketball/knicks-trade-kristaps-porzingis-mavericks.html

Porzingis, who was increasingly unhappy about the Knicks' constant losing and is scheduled to become a restricted free agent July 1, asked to be traded on Thursday, according to both a team statement and subsequent comments that Knicks President Steve Mills and General Manager Scott Perry made on a conference call Thursday evening.

But the Knicks and the Mavericks were already far along in trade talks before Porzingis lodged that request, according to two people with knowledge of the situation who were not authorized to discuss it publicly.

"As is standard for this time of year, we were exploring various options on potential trades," Perry said in a statement. "Considering the uncertainty regarding Kristaps's free-agent status and his request today to be traded, we made a trade that we are confident improves the franchise."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 03, 2019, 10:17:03 PM
What time does it kick off tonight?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2019, 10:26:52 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on February 03, 2019, 10:17:03 PM
What time does it kick off tonight?

11:40 pm Irish time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2019, 10:29:07 PM
I've got Rams 0 Patriots 7 in my work pool.

30-27 FT to the Rams or 20-17 or even, f**k it, 27-20 to the evil axis will suit me!🙂
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 01, 2019, 06:25:56 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 31, 2019, 11:53:25 PM
7 player deal 😬😬😬

The Knicks are a particular standard of f**k up but if they've done this without some serious Intel that there getting KD in the summer it's an enormous mistake.

The Knicks have been a basket case since Ewing left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on February 03, 2019, 10:40:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2019, 10:30:20 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 01, 2019, 06:25:56 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 31, 2019, 11:53:25 PM
7 player deal 😬😬😬

The Knicks are a particular standard of f**k up but if they've done this without some serious Intel that there getting KD in the summer it's an enormous mistake.

The Knicks have been a basket case since Ewing left.

Durrant and maybe Zion in the draft and the whole thing changes?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 03, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
backed the pats at 7/2 at start of play offs, going to go 38-31 pats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2019, 01:13:18 AM
Maroon 5. Was the booker on drugs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 04, 2019, 01:16:04 AM
3-0 to the Pats at half time. I was expecting a high scoring game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2019, 01:21:58 AM
Poor game. I hard to see the LA qb get into it. Somebody book the foo fighters for half time in nxt Yr. That was brutal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 04, 2019, 01:43:11 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on February 01, 2019, 04:20:03 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I know feck all about NFL, but I reckon that the Rams will win 32-28.

Can I be the first to agree?  :D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2019, 02:20:16 AM
Seen very few teams without even a decent QB win the superbowl. Rams got a good team in all areas but QB bit like the Jaguars previously.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on February 04, 2019, 03:08:05 AM
Goff is not a bad QB.. Pats defensive strategy was just superior. Secondary coverage was fabulous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 04, 2019, 03:09:03 AM
The most impressive thing for me about the Patriots these last 17 years or whatever is how many different ways they've found to win. Brady and Bellicheck have been something else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 04, 2019, 03:16:52 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 31, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 30, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 30, 2019, 04:37:50 PM
Getting close to Sunday ! I honestly think this game will be decided in the trenches by both sets of O lines and D lines. Whoever can get a pass rush and disrupt the QB will win. If Donald and Suh are quiet the Pats will win, Brady will shred them. Not sure if Gurley is 100%, there's definitely something up with him I think. Gilmore will go man to man on Woods and they'll double Cooks, Sonny Michel for MVP.....

I think the vast majority of games are won like that. Especially among evenly matched teams. Brady will try and get rid of the ball quick to stop the pass rush, like he did v the Chargers. If he can do that, it will take away a lot of what the Rams like to do with Donald etc. Gronk could be huge factor again.
rams need to look at what giants twice and eagles did to slow Brady down pressure straight up the middle of the pocket and jam receivers at the line of scrimmage so the timing is off , think we see a lot of running from pats early pass later , haven't seen too much of rams but they need a healthy gurley and Aaron Donald is a beast pats by 10
uf welcome
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 04, 2019, 03:33:01 AM
An anticlimactic ending to a shite game, Goodwill getting booed really loudly and Edelman getting MVP. A tad embarrassing for the league.

Worst Superbowl in a long while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on February 04, 2019, 03:36:43 AM
Horrible game to watch.

Got to hand it to the Pats, 6 wins with the same QB and coach in this era is absolutely phenomenal, with the draft system in place they have a pretty good shout for best professional team of any sport at any time.

And that's coming from an "anyone but the pats" guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: sid waddell on February 04, 2019, 03:37:45 AM
As an spectacle, that was utter shit.

American football needs a load of new rules to make it watchable.

I suggest the quarterback be forced to kick pass the ball.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 04, 2019, 03:46:28 AM
I have to say I really enjoyed it. I thought it was great to see two good defences go at and in a pass happy league it was refreshing to see an old school Smash mouth low scoring game. That said I thought Pats v Chiefs in the regular season was the best game I ever watched (didn't see Rams v Chiefs) so I probably would have enjoyed it no matter what.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 04, 2019, 04:10:47 AM
A proper anticlimax.1 red zone in one hour. Absolute credit to the Pats who seem happy to play against whatever strategy they meet. But if that form of game was a regular occurrence none of us would watch.



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 04, 2019, 08:08:52 AM
PEDelman!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on February 04, 2019, 09:37:28 AM
Quote from: Puckoon on February 04, 2019, 01:43:11 AM
Quote from: LooseCannon on February 01, 2019, 04:20:03 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I know feck all about NFL, but I reckon that the Rams will win 32-28.

Can I be the first to agree?  :D

I was closest to the score last year!😉

I fell asleep anyway at the start of the third quarter. Oh well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 04, 2019, 09:45:22 AM
A game for the purist not for the casual observer.

Bill got it right yet again.

Goff didnt seem 100% with regards to how sharp his throws were. He should certainly have had a TD.

Brady & Bill should ride of into the sunset on a high.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2019, 08:08:52 AM
PEDelman!!

Apt that a cheater gets MVP. Again though that selection underlines how little most people who get to make these decisions know about the game. Surely a defensive player deserved MVP in this game?

And Goff is not a good quarterback. The scheme has made him look good. When Belichick/Flores short circuited the scheme you saw he's very ordinary.

The Gurley things makes no sense. When he did get some run he looked himself....broke Chungs arm with a violent run.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Main Street on February 04, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
That was my 5th superbowl  I watched it on BBC all the way to the end - advert free.  I thought it was a superb sporting spectacle, a nail-biter.

That half time show is an absolute pile of manure. Where do they find those idiots who are all primed up to dance as if tarantula possessed?   It's so corny it makes that Mirinda ad look classy and authentic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on February 04, 2019, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
The Gurley things makes no sense. When he did get some run he looked himself....broke Chungs arm with a violent run.
Yes, he was rampant and borderline unstoppable for most of the season.

A bad night for millennials with McVay and Goff being owned by their elder equivalents!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2019, 11:48:40 AM
Been watching since 85.  That by far been the worse superbowl i seen. Horrible stuff. Exceeds the Bronco wash out if a few yrs bck.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on February 04, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2019, 08:08:52 AM
PEDelman!!

Apt that a cheater gets MVP. Again though that selection underlines how little most people who get to make these decisions know about the game. Surely a defensive player deserved MVP in this game?

And Goff is not a good quarterback. The scheme has made him look good. When Belichick/Flores short circuited the scheme you saw he's very ordinary.

The Gurley things makes no sense. When he did get some run he looked himself....broke Chungs arm with a violent run.
Edelman was very good though, 10 catches for 141 yards.  If any gaa forward wants to work on losing a marker they should watch the way he runs a route.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 04, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2019, 08:08:52 AM
PEDelman!!

Apt that a cheater gets MVP. Again though that selection underlines how little most people who get to make these decisions know about the game. Surely a defensive player deserved MVP in this game?

And Goff is not a good quarterback. The scheme has made him look good. When Belichick/Flores short circuited the scheme you saw he's very ordinary.

The Gurley things makes no sense. When he did get some run he looked himself....broke Chungs arm with a violent run.
Edelman was very good though, 10 catches for 141 yards.  If any gaa forward wants to work on losing a marker they should watch the way he runs a route.

I wouldn't be putting him up as a role model for anyone.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on February 04, 2019, 12:58:33 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: Maiden1 on February 04, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 04, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 04, 2019, 08:08:52 AM
PEDelman!!

Apt that a cheater gets MVP. Again though that selection underlines how little most people who get to make these decisions know about the game. Surely a defensive player deserved MVP in this game?

And Goff is not a good quarterback. The scheme has made him look good. When Belichick/Flores short circuited the scheme you saw he's very ordinary.

The Gurley things makes no sense. When he did get some run he looked himself....broke Chungs arm with a violent run.
Edelman was very good though, 10 catches for 141 yards.  If any gaa forward wants to work on losing a marker they should watch the way he runs a route.

I wouldn't be putting him up as a role model for anyone.

Old white man runs fast, how many wouldn't be on PED?  4 game suspension isn't really much of a deterrent.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Keyser soze on February 04, 2019, 01:20:28 PM
That was extremely boring, I imagine there will be a rash of changes to the playing rules for next season. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 04, 2019, 04:44:34 PM
Worst super bowl I've looked at zero excitement just brutal 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 05, 2019, 11:31:52 AM
Although there wasnt much happening on offence i have to say i did enjoy the Superbowl. It was on a knife edge.  Was exciting to see which team would crack first.

MvVey has came out and said that he was out coached.  There was certainly some of that but also Goff was completely in a daze. There also has to be a story out there about Gurley because that's 2 games in a row now i cant understand his misuse. Probably the best running game in the NFL and the Patriots had no fear of it.

The half time show was horrible.

Still ragin it wasnt the Saints out there instead of the Rams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 05, 2019, 01:02:09 PM
Saints would have made a game of it because Brees would be able to adjust and play to some level under duress. Goff is useless when the system breaks down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 06, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
The Pats have 12 picks in this years draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds , you'd have to imagine they'll win 12 or 13 games next season. Gronkowski will be a big decision. I think they'll add a few free agents as well. Wouldn't rule out a move for AB, although I'd be surprised if the Steelers let him go there....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 07, 2019, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 06, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
The Pats have 12 picks in this years draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds , you'd have to imagine they'll win 12 or 13 games next season. Gronkowski will be a big decision. I think they'll add a few free agents as well. Wouldn't rule out a move for AB, although I'd be surprised if the Steelers let him go there....

Don't forget they're in a division with 3 crap teams which makes life a lot easier too. They'll definitely be in the playoffs next season as 1st or 2nd seed. I feel Gronk will retire unless they're going to nurse him through the year again like they did this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on February 07, 2019, 09:18:51 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 07, 2019, 08:58:31 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 06, 2019, 04:11:06 PM
The Pats have 12 picks in this years draft, 6 in the first 3 rounds , you'd have to imagine they'll win 12 or 13 games next season. Gronkowski will be a big decision. I think they'll add a few free agents as well. Wouldn't rule out a move for AB, although I'd be surprised if the Steelers let him go there....

Don't forget they're in a division with 3 crap teams which makes life a lot easier too. They'll definitely be in the playoffs next season as 1st or 2nd seed. I feel Gronk will retire unless they're going to nurse him through the year again like they did this year.
Yep. Miami are usually good to take a game from them but they are tanking this year. They do have a few free agents on defense that they will need to sign or replace. Flowers, Shelton and Brown (I think) off the top of my head. If I were the Pats i'd be doing everything in their power to convince Gronk to stay on. Nurse him through the regular season and them use him in the playoffs when he can be the difference between winning and losing games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 08, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
Seanie, the rest of the AFC East are .500 over the last 18 years , which happens to equate to the best record of any of the 8 divisions. Would be fair to say that the Patriots make them look poor...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on February 08, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 08, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
Seanie, the rest of the AFC East are .500 over the last 18 years , which happens to equate to the best record of any of the 8 divisions. Would be fair to say that the Patriots make them look poor...

Since 2001 the fins are 126-162 with 5 winning season from 18. Jets 132-156 with 8 winning seasons & the Bills 119-169 with 3 winning seasons from 18. As good as the Pats are their opponents in that division are awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 08, 2019, 09:50:57 AM
Quote from: declan85 on February 08, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 08, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
Seanie, the rest of the AFC East are .500 over the last 18 years , which happens to equate to the best record of any of the 8 divisions. Would be fair to say that the Patriots make them look poor...

Since 2001 the fins are 126-162 with 5 winning season from 18. Jets 132-156 with 8 winning seasons & the Bills 119-169 with 3 winning seasons from 18. As good as the Pats are their opponents in that division are awful.

Cadhlancian - Where did you get that .500 stat from?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 08, 2019, 07:04:31 PM
Apologies, what I meant was...those other three teams in the AFC east are 500 against EVERYONE else in the league , aside from the Pats.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 08, 2019, 07:06:39 PM
From the realignment in 2002, the Jets, Bills and the Dolphins are 500 against the rest of the league excluding the Pats... not brilliant , but definitely not as terrible as some would make out ..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 11, 2019, 01:10:08 PM
No response to that then......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 11, 2019, 03:01:57 PM
They've never really threatened the Patriots in terms of winning the division. 500 without the Patriots is a low bar when you're never playing a first place schedule.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on February 11, 2019, 04:13:18 PM
Those teams' records since 2002 when all games against the Pats are excluded read Bills 112-126, Jets 114-122, Dolphins 111-127.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 11, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: declan85 on February 11, 2019, 04:13:18 PM
Those teams' records since 2002 when all games against the Pats are excluded read Bills 112-126, Jets 114-122, Dolphins 111-127.

I thought so. I hadn't the energy to look it up though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 11, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: declan85 on February 11, 2019, 04:13:18 PM
Those teams' records since 2002 when all games against the Pats are excluded read Bills 112-126, Jets 114-122, Dolphins 111-127.

I thought so. I hadn't the energy to look it up though.

Yes, I thought so as well. Glad that's clarified. They're crap.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 11, 2019, 09:42:43 PM
Well, the Browns have signed Kareem Hunt. . . .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 11, 2019, 11:50:23 PM
Hunt will have to serve a lengthy suspension. I believe he will get about 8 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 12, 2019, 03:39:26 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: declan85 on February 11, 2019, 04:13:18 PM
Those teams' records since 2002 when all games against the Pats are excluded read Bills 112-126, Jets 114-122, Dolphins 111-127.

I thought so. I hadn't the energy to look it up though.
And what ? Those are all more or less 500 when you would be talking about about that amount of games . All 3 teams were slightly below 500 in nearly 250 NFL games ....hardly the worst
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 12, 2019, 03:45:51 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 11, 2019, 04:36:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on February 11, 2019, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: declan85 on February 11, 2019, 04:13:18 PM
Those teams' records since 2002 when all games against the Pats are excluded read Bills 112-126, Jets 114-122, Dolphins 111-127.

I thought so. I hadn't the energy to look it up though.

Yes, I thought so as well. Glad that's clarified. They're crap.
47%, 47% and 48%..... so far away from 50%...... but if Az thinks so....then it's true
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 12, 2019, 04:03:06 AM
Very few divisions in the NFL would have teams with winning records over that time span. Look at the NFC north Seany? Only the Packers with a winning record. The bears next at nearly 20 games under 500.
The Jets went to the AFC championship twice and both the Bills and the Phins have both made the playoffs in recent years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 12, 2019, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on February 12, 2019, 04:03:06 AM
Very few divisions in the NFL would have teams with winning records over that time span. Look at the NFC north Seany? Only the Packers with a winning record. The bears next at nearly 20 games under 500.
The Jets went to the AFC championship twice and both the Bills and the Phins have both made the playoffs in recent years.
I'm not having a go cadhlancian. I think I've said often that the Pats under this regime are incredible, an absolute anomaly especially in this salary cap and free agent era.

I was just surprised when you said the rest of the AFC East was .500.  Now I don't think the rest of the AFC East is rubbish, I just think it's average. And consistently average. Over a timespan like you've mentioned, most teams would be average, as you would expect.

I think the Pats would dominate every division, but the difference with the AFC East is the teams there appear to be consistently average. Over 17 years, the other divisions' teams are also average, but there's a much greater deviation from the average from year to year. I think that's why the AFC East gets a bad rap. The teams are always middle of the road, with a few notable exceptions as you've pointed out.

In contrast, the other divisions seem to flux every 2 or 3 years, so you have teams having a great season and really challenging, before falling away. That's why the other divisions seem to be much more competitive. Over 17 years there's minimal difference, but the highs are higher, and the lows are lower.

In the NFC West, all 4 teams have contested a Superbowl since 2002, some of them multiple times.
NFC North, all 4 teams have had big seasons, won the division, and 2 (I think) have been in Superbowls.
All 4 NFC south teams have contested Superbowls.
The NFC East has 2 Superbowl champions in that time, and all 4 have won the division.

AFC West, 2 Superbowl teams, and 2 regular division champions
AFC north, 2 Superbowl teams and a third team that has challenged seriously at times.
AFC South is probably the one closest to the AFC East in terms of superbowl challenges, in that it's really just the Colts that have contested superbowls, but I suppose the other 3 have competed well within the division. 


So while I think the AFC East is not full of pathetic teams, and the Pats are truly exceptional, I think the AFC East lacks the peaks and troughs the other divisions have, and so it has the perception that they are not competitive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 12, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
Stats wrong again. Bears are 131-141 in the regular season for 2002 to 2018 inclusive. 3-3 in playoffs in that time. They'd be over or around .500 if you remove the Packers. Lost a Superbowl and and NFC Championship game, both they should arguably have won. Bears have been crap at times over that spell but better than the Dolphins, Jets and Bills comfortably. Packers have rarely strolled the division and have failed to make the playoffs a few times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on February 12, 2019, 11:06:17 AM
That's my point. The rest of the divisions have teams that cycle into boom and bust. The AFC East has the consistently excellent Pats, and the consistently ho-hum (not rubbish) rest.

Cardinals since 2002 win totals are 5,4,6,5,5,8,9,10,5,8,5,10,11,13,7,8,3  A lot of rubbish, a few ho-hum and 3 or 4 very good seasons.

Dolphins are 9,10,4,9,6,1,11,7,7,6,7,8,8,6,10,6,7 - Started off well, then lapsed into a regular pattern of 6,7 or 8 wins
Bills 8,6,9,5,7,7,7,6,4,6,6,6,9,8,7,9,6, - The epitome of average
Jets 9,6,10,4,10,4,9,9,11,8,6,8,4,10,5,5,4 - In fairness a few bright spots, but again a lot of average stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 12, 2019, 11:29:30 AM
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/cleveland-browns-sign-kareem-hunt-despite-assault-probe/news-story/230c40919629b14d8b70904538d2da8d?nk=91475a335b6054b5ff08bdcaa6bb5245-1549970921 (https://www.foxsports.com.au/nfl/cleveland-browns-sign-kareem-hunt-despite-assault-probe/news-story/230c40919629b14d8b70904538d2da8d?nk=91475a335b6054b5ff08bdcaa6bb5245-1549970921)

Browns sign Kareem Hunt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 13, 2019, 05:48:38 PM
Flacco traded to the Broncos
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 13, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
Elway is an idiot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 13, 2019, 11:14:13 PM
I would have gone for Foles if I was Elway. Foles would cost more but he would last longer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 14, 2019, 12:27:12 AM
Throwing all the chips in with Jackson might not be the best strategy either teams seem to figure out to play against running qbs a lot faster than pocket passers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 14, 2019, 01:37:22 AM
$27 million in cap for 2 QBs, neither of whom are your future...crazy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 14, 2019, 09:09:12 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 14, 2019, 12:27:12 AM
Throwing all the chips in with Jackson might not be the best strategy either teams seem to figure out to play against running qbs a lot faster than pocket passers.

Flacco is terrible though. Going with Jackson, who might be good, rather than Flacco, who is awful, is a no brainer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
Kap and the NFL settle out of court, how much you think he's getting? has to be close to 100 milly i would think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 15, 2019, 08:47:26 PM
It looks like we will never know as they are not allowed to say. The next question to answer is will he get back into the NFL?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 15, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
Eric Reid just got 12 million contract the other day and word is kapernick wanted 20 million to play in the new aafl or whatever it's called but was not signed ,he's worth more money not playing at this stage
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 19, 2019, 05:46:45 PM
^^^^ That league sold itself to the owner of Carolina's NHL team this weekend for $250m - and missed paying it's players for Week 1 games. He knew what he was doing asking for $20m

In baseball news - now where does Harper fall?

QuoteBREAKING: Manny Machado has agreed to terms on a deal with the Padres. According to a league source, it's for 10 years and $300 million - the biggest free-agent contract in the history of American sports.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dolph1 on February 19, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
Kap and the NFL settle out of court, how much you think he's getting? has to be close to 100 milly i would think.

Unreal that he's getting any money for not being good enough to start at a team.

His actions made him toxic. If I acted the c*** at work I don't expect that my employers would want keep me and I wouldn't expect to get a huge payoff from other companies who refused to hire me because of my reputation.

There is only one reason they are giving him money and it's not for his skills.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 20, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 19, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
Kap and the NFL settle out of court, how much you think he's getting? has to be close to 100 milly i would think.

Unreal that he's getting any money for not being good enough to start at a team.

His actions made him toxic. If I acted the c*** at work I don't expect that my employers would want keep me and I wouldn't expect to get a huge payoff from other companies who refused to hire me because of my reputation.

There is only one reason they are giving him money and it's not for his skills.

At last something I can agree with you on. They're giving him this money because all the owners colluded against him and refused to give him a job. They have admitted they were wrong by paying him. It's crystal clear.

As for his skills - he is better than 6-10 starting QB's in the league and all but 2 or 3 of the backups. That is abundantly clear to anyone who is objective and capable of evaluating the position. Strong word he's going to sign with Carolina (would be a very similar and capable replacement for Cam) or the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dolph1 on February 21, 2019, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on February 20, 2019, 11:42:01 PM
Quote from: Dolph1 on February 19, 2019, 06:00:42 PM
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on February 15, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
Kap and the NFL settle out of court, how much you think he's getting? has to be close to 100 milly i would think.

Unreal that he's getting any money for not being good enough to start at a team.

His actions made him toxic. If I acted the c*** at work I don't expect that my employers would want keep me and I wouldn't expect to get a huge payoff from other companies who refused to hire me because of my reputation.

There is only one reason they are giving him money and it's not for his skills.

At last something I can agree with you on. They're giving him this money because all the owners colluded against him and refused to give him a job. They have admitted they were wrong by paying him. It's crystal clear.

As for his skills - he is better than 6-10 starting QB's in the league and all but 2 or 3 of the backups. That is abundantly clear to anyone who is objective and capable of evaluating the position. Strong word he's going to sign with Carolina (would be a very similar and capable replacement for Cam) or the Patriots.

I don't think we are in agreement here Seanie

He's getting a payoff just to shut him up and make him go away. His continual presence around the NFL conversations has hit their audience numbers and sponsorship as well as the now standard awkwardness of the national anthem is his disgusting legacy.

He was found out as a player and benched. Last act was to pass for 4 YARDS in 3 Quarters in a loss to the bears.
That's not a backup you want and no club is going to touch him. Stick to race baiting and making cash.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 21, 2019, 05:53:39 PM
Zion Williamson, reckoned to be the best player in college basketball injured his knee last night when his Nike sneaker fell apart shortly into the Duke/NC game

(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5c6e887070a61e72742dd223-750-375.jpg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on February 21, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
There's no reckoned about it, he's an absolute freak..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 21, 2019, 06:24:24 PM
There's a mountain of hype about Zion, all of it deserved, but he might not even be the best player on the Duke team. Barrett is insanely good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dolph1 on February 21, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
Another good reason to boycott Nike.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on February 21, 2019, 07:29:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 21, 2019, 06:24:24 PM
There's a mountain of hype about Zion, all of it deserved, but he might not even be the best player on the Duke team. Barrett is insanely good.

They'll be 1 and 2 in the draft with Reddish also in the top 5, which is mental. Tre Jones is probably Dukes most important player though. He'll be a 1st round pick too.. The Knicks have a 14% chance of getting Zion, should him an Durrant come in they'll go from nobodies to contenders pretty quick. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 21, 2019, 08:33:03 PM
Quote from: Boycey on February 21, 2019, 07:29:47 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 21, 2019, 06:24:24 PM
There's a mountain of hype about Zion, all of it deserved, but he might not even be the best player on the Duke team. Barrett is insanely good.

They'll be 1 and 2 in the draft with Reddish also in the top 5, which is mental. Tre Jones is probably Dukes most important player though. He'll be a 1st round pick too.. The Knicks have a 14% chance of getting Zion, should him an Durrant come in they'll go from nobodies to contenders pretty quick.

No they won't lol. They're the Knicks. Dolan will contrive to bungle it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 22, 2019, 04:56:17 PM
Holy shit!

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1098987556551553024 (https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/1098987556551553024)

Quote@JesseRodriguez

Jupiter, FL police chief confirms NE Patriots owner Robert Kraft charged in prostitution ring bust



"Fellate-Gate"
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 22, 2019, 10:02:31 PM
and supposedly Kraft is not the biggest name involved.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 23, 2019, 10:00:17 AM
The perfect Patriots scandal as it involves surveillance cameras, and presumably PED's and ball pressure!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on February 28, 2019, 06:40:24 PM
Jason Witten ending retirement to play for Cowboys.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 01, 2019, 01:06:10 PM
Where does Antonio Brown end up? Packers?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dolph1 on March 12, 2019, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 13, 2017, 01:07:29 PM
In  other news - Ravens backup RB Alex Collins has a bit of unique hobby for an NFLer - Irish dancing

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/The-Caw-Alex-Collins-Is-an-Irish-Dancer-and-Heres-the-Video-to-Prove-It/043ac11f-fef3-489d-a158-145ba4fa7aab

He'll be jigging and reeling his way to jail. Dope.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/ravens-rb-alex-collins-arrested-after-car-crash-near-baltimore/wqvjkque742l1goq68jin8ktn
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on March 12, 2019, 10:50:45 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2824880-pittsburgh-steelers-wasted-one-of-the-nfls-most-talented-trios-of-all-time

Good article on the impending breakup of the Pittsburgh QB/RB/WR trio. Missed opportunities for the Steelers over the last few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on March 12, 2019, 10:52:25 AM
The money being spent in Free Agency is only getting more and more insane.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 12, 2019, 12:14:28 PM
Foles to the Jags and Bortles shown the door. That could be a good fit i suppose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 12, 2019, 12:48:29 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 12, 2019, 12:14:28 PM
Foles to the Jags and Bortles shown the door. That could be a good fit i suppose.

Foles is better than Bortles but that's not saying much. Jags overpaid massively to keep Bortles last year and have done so again with Foles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 13, 2019, 12:13:36 AM
Odell Beckham to the Browns   :o :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 13, 2019, 12:26:21 AM
Back with his LSU teammate Jarvis Landry! Huuuuge!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 13, 2019, 01:13:30 AM
Jets spending some money as well... AFC is gonna be tasty this year. Flowers , Trent Brown , Patterson all gone in NE. Unreal , they'll just get someone to do the same job for half the money . When will everyone else learn? The Patriots will win 12/ 13 games again next season and the road to the SB will go through Foxboro once again. A little early season AFC ranking
1 Patriots
2 Chiefs
3 Browns
4 Chargers
5 Colts
6 Ravens
7 Houston
8Steelers
9Jaguars
10 Tennessee
11 Oakland
12 Jets
13 Buffalo
14 Cincinnati
15 Denver
16 Miami

Bored 🤪🤪
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 13, 2019, 06:32:44 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on March 12, 2019, 10:52:25 AM
The money being spent in Free Agency is only getting more and more insane.

Read an article a whole back that had some good analysis and stats about how spending big in FA tends to be counter productive. Will try and dig it out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 08:15:41 AM
OBJ to the Browns!!!

Who saw that coming??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on March 13, 2019, 08:22:23 AM
Quote from: screenexile on March 13, 2019, 08:15:41 AM
OBJ to the Browns!!!

Who saw that coming??

A huge signing.
Browns will give it a huge shot this year is Mayfield keeps improving
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 13, 2019, 09:02:51 AM
The Giants are complete idiots. Ridiculous. Steelers too. Absolutely insane.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 19, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Mike trout is getting 12 years for $430m.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 19, 2019, 02:58:03 PM
Not that any player is worth that amount - but if any player is worth it - it's Trout
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on March 22, 2019, 05:57:12 PM
Wsj report says Kapernick and Reid only got 10m in settlement from nfl , would have thought more in the range of 50 , not great look for the people's champ kap
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 22, 2019, 06:14:35 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 22, 2019, 05:57:12 PM
Wsj report says Kapernick and Reid only got 10m in settlement from nfl , would have thought more in the range of 50 , not great look for the people's champ kap

Why?

I would have thought he did all right and both sides would be happy enough with the settlement. Collusion on the part of the owners is hardly going to be easy to prove for Kaepernick, while the NFL doesn't get their dirty laundry aired in public.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on March 22, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2019, 06:14:35 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 22, 2019, 05:57:12 PM
Wsj report says Kapernick and Reid only got 10m in settlement from nfl , would have thought more in the range of 50 , not great look for the people's champ kap

Why?

I would have thought he did all right and both sides would be happy enough with the settlement. Collusion on the part of the owners is hardly going to be easy to prove for Kaepernick, while the NFL doesn't get their dirty laundry aired in public.
10 m between 2 of them ? In the nfl world chump change for him to buy new pig socks or new Castro the great humanitarian tee-shirts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dolph1 on March 22, 2019, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 22, 2019, 05:57:12 PM
Wsj report says Kapernick and Reid only got 10m in settlement from nfl , would have thought more in the range of 50 , not great look for the people's champ kap

It's 10 million more than they should have been given. A kick up the hole out of the league for stirring shite would have been more fitting.

Kaepernick was past it. He knew it. This was the only way he was going to get another big pay day.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on March 24, 2019, 10:31:26 PM
Gronk retires. A great player no doubt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 24, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
The Patriots won't be the same without him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on March 24, 2019, 11:22:13 PM
No1 Duke could be in bother here...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 25, 2019, 07:16:45 AM
Quote from: Boycey on March 24, 2019, 11:22:13 PM
No1 Duke could be in bother here...

Brilliant game. Zion came up with the goods when it mattered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on March 25, 2019, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 24, 2019, 10:31:26 PM
Gronk retires. A great player no doubt

You could easily make a case for the Pats having two GOATs on that team. His catch was probably the key offensive play in the Superbowl. Great player and brought a bit of colour to  the Patriots machine. HIs body took a serious battering over the last few years so probably the right time to go. A broadcasting career beckons
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on March 25, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: TabClear on March 25, 2019, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 24, 2019, 10:31:26 PM
Gronk retires. A great player no doubt

You could easily make a case for the Pats having two GOATs on that team. His catch was probably the key offensive play in the Superbowl. Great player and brought a bit of colour to  the Patriots machine. HIs body took a serious battering over the last few years so probably the right time to go. A broadcasting career beckons

I see there's rumours he's going to give the WWE a shot first.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 25, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
Quote from: TabClear on March 25, 2019, 08:11:27 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on March 24, 2019, 10:31:26 PM
Gronk retires. A great player no doubt

You could easily make a case for the Pats having two GOATs on that team. His catch was probably the key offensive play in the Superbowl. Great player and brought a bit of colour to  the Patriots machine. HIs body took a serious battering over the last few years so probably the right time to go. A broadcasting career beckons

Personally I don't see any TE that could be classed as better than Gronkowski. He was absolutely immense. I don't like the Patriots but Gronk is one of my all time favourite players. They won't be able to replace him with one person.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 29, 2019, 11:24:15 AM
The bears traded running back Jordan Howard to the Eagles for a 2020 6th round pick. As a viking fan I am happy to see him gone, it is a big gain for the Eagles. I don't understand why the Bears let him go for such a low price.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 29, 2019, 12:07:21 PM
Jared Cook is a nice pickup by the Saints. TE was obviously a big necessity for them in the offseason with Watson retiring.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on March 29, 2019, 02:11:33 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 29, 2019, 11:24:15 AM
The bears traded running back Jordan Howard to the Eagles for a 2020 6th round pick. As a viking fan I am happy to see him gone, it is a big gain for the Eagles. I don't understand why the Bears let him go for such a low price.

Didn't  have the lateral quickness for Nagy's scheme and definitely  didn't  look as good last year as he did in John Fox's run heavy offence! Good player who would have been elite  if he had home run speed. Good locker room  guy and as a Bears fan sad to see him go but he just didn't  suit what Nagy wanted from the run game. His low price is because he is in the last year of his rookie contract and being a very good not an elite running back there is not a lot of trade value in running backs!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 30, 2019, 12:33:01 AM
Would have to disagree with the above. Over 1600 yards from scrimmage as a rookie , 1400 the following year, and just over a 1000 last season. Probably right in regards to Nagys  system, but to think he isn't worth more than a 6 th rounder I'd say is crazy . He's 24 and is a big boy. I'd say the Eagles absolutely stole him, would have asked at least a third rounder for him. They gave up a 4th rounder for Jay Ajai 2 years ago....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: heganboy on March 31, 2019, 04:06:39 AM
Blown call for the Virginia equalizer. Was a back court
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 16, 2019, 10:00:34 AM
Wilson agrees an extension at the final hour of the deadline he imposed.

4 year extension for 140m, with a 65m signing bonus.

Brings his full contract at this stage to 5 years, 157m with a total guarantee of 107m. Highest paid player in the league.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 16, 2019, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: gallsman on April 16, 2019, 10:00:34 AM
Wilson agrees an extension at the final hour of the deadline he imposed.

4 year extension for 140m, with a 65m signing bonus.

Brings his full contract at this stage to 5 years, 157m with a total guarantee of 107m. Highest paid player in the league.

I think it's a bad contract for the Seahawks but one they had no option but to make.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2019, 12:17:03 AM
The nfl draft is coming up this morning. Kyler Murray the Oklahoma QB is expected to go number 1 to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 26, 2019, 12:36:27 AM
Sitting here watching the pre-draft show and realize that the Browns don't have have a pick in the 1st round. Wow, how unusual!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 26, 2019, 01:27:26 AM
Tyler Murray does go first. Good luck, AZOffaly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on April 26, 2019, 05:38:22 AM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 26, 2019, 12:36:27 AM
Sitting here watching the pre-draft show and realize that the Browns don't have have a pick in the 1st round. Wow, how unusual!

That's a good thing as a Browns fan, can't mess it up like so many years before, and you have OBJ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 26, 2019, 07:25:48 AM
The Giants....good f**king lord! Daniel Jones out of Duke at 6 overall...what the f**k were they thinking ??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2019, 04:15:49 PM
I see CHIEFS wide receiver Tyreek Hill is in trouble with the NFL at least in relation to child abuse. A recording of a conversation with his girlfriend has come to light which makes him look bad/guilty.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2019, 11:21:01 PM
Quote from: Oraisteach on April 26, 2019, 01:27:26 AM
Tyler Murray does go first. Good luck, AZOffaly.

I suppose it was always likely to happen with kingsbury but it's some gamble by keim. Someone is going to get a good qb in Rosen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 26, 2019, 11:28:16 PM
The Cardinals made a complete balls of this. The time to move Rosen was before the draft , now they'll be lucky to get a second and third rounder for him. He's gonna be a good QB for someone and someone's gonna get a great deal. Still three years left on his rookie deal... How the f**k you could pick Daniel Jones ahead of Dwayne Haskins is mind boggling . The Raiders as well... what the f**k was that ? Passed on Josh Allen for that... Patriots getting lots of big offensive bodies in to make for Gronk.
They're saying this kid is possibly Anquan Boldin 2.0, Demaryius Thomas , Seferian Jenkins. All big guys...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 26, 2019, 11:32:31 PM
He's good. I saw him a good bit with ASU. Not the fastest but a good possession receiver and red zone threat. Great hands and strong.  I was hoping he'd fall one more spot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 27, 2019, 02:23:32 AM
Cardinals took a corner tonight , Pats did as well. The Patriots have 6 picks from 32-100 I think...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 27, 2019, 02:24:30 AM
Rosen traded to Miami
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on April 27, 2019, 02:25:48 AM
Josh Rosen more than likely will head to the Dolphins. Landscape has changed a little for our boy Paddy Mahomes.... I'd be very surprised if the Chiefs don't cut Tyreek Hill, serious weapon to lose.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on April 27, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
When did anyone ever get their draft picks consistently right. The rocket scientists who picked Montana and Brady waited a long time to show their genius. Remember the damn thing is a lottery.
As Napoleon said and I plagiarize loosely..." I prefer my Generals to be lucky" Maybe the Giants have a lucky General... Go Dubs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 13, 2019, 02:51:12 AM
Oh my Kawhi!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 13, 2019, 04:05:34 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 13, 2019, 02:51:12 AM
Oh my Kawhi!!!

That's was amazing!

Play offs have been the best I've seen. Warriors defeating the rockets without KD for the last 2 was pretty epic.

Looking forward to seeing Leonard v Giannis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 13, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
Absolutely incredible. So good to see Kawhi back better than ever after the final two seasons in San Antonio.

He's a top 5 player in the league and the best two way player by a country mile.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
A terrible shot. Very unprofessional but sometimes they go in. Hate seeing things like that because it sends out the wrong message to kids and reinforces the cult of self versus the team. I'll probably get called a killjoy for that view but I don't mind.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 14, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
A terrible shot. Very unprofessional but sometimes they go in. Hate seeing things like that because it sends out the wrong message to kids and reinforces the cult of self versus the team. I'll probably get called a killjoy for that view but I don't mind.

Killjoy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.

Slightly missing the point I feel. Reaction to it sends out the wrong message "Kawhi called the series" was the main comment. Meaning he took it into his own hands and decided - I'm going to win this. He got lucky. Sports media is full of all these terms like clutch and bottler which are largely bullsit narratives. He's probably a victim to this and felt he HAD to do this as he's the big name player. I strongly disagree with it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.

Slightly missing the point I feel. Reaction to it sends out the wrong message "Kawhi called the series" was the main comment. Meaning he took it into his own hands and decided - I'm going to win this. He got lucky. Sports media is full of all these terms like clutch and bottler which are largely bullsit narratives. He's probably a victim to this and felt he HAD to do this as he's the big name player. I strongly disagree with it.

That's what American sports is about "big players make big plays".

It was class and we've seen Lebron/Jordan/Steph make these types of shots in the last moments of games. . . sure they've missed plenty but Kawhi had a second on the clock and nothing to lose in going for it so why not??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 14, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.

Slightly missing the point I feel. Reaction to it sends out the wrong message "Kawhi called the series" was the main comment. Meaning he took it into his own hands and decided - I'm going to win this. He got lucky. Sports media is full of all these terms like clutch and bottler which are largely bullsit narratives. He's probably a victim to this and felt he HAD to do this as he's the big name player. I strongly disagree with it.

Ugh - he did ....... he pretty much won the series for the Raptors

Quote@nbastats

Kawhi Leonard's 243 points in the Conference Semifinals are the 3rd most in a series post-merger (since 1977):

260   1977 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, LAL
246   1993 Michael Jordan, CHI
243   2019 Kawhi Leonard, TOR
241   2018 LeBron James, CLE
236   2001 Allen Iverson, PHI
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.

Slightly missing the point I feel. Reaction to it sends out the wrong message "Kawhi called the series" was the main comment. Meaning he took it into his own hands and decided - I'm going to win this. He got lucky. Sports media is full of all these terms like clutch and bottler which are largely bullsit narratives. He's probably a victim to this and felt he HAD to do this as he's the big name player. I strongly disagree with it.

Oh, i get your point perfectly. I'm just pointing out that it's nonsense.

Kawhi's stats in the series were otherworldly levels of good. He did win it for them. That's how basketball works. Your best players with the best experience and the biggest balls take the shot unless there's something obviously better on.

As for getting lucky, shots go in off the rim all the time. Is every shot that isn't a perfect swish lucky? How much of the fact that he knew he had to shoot it at an unusually high arc trajectory as 7 foot Joel embiid closed him down, did so successfully and converted it was down to luck, at opposed to him simply being brilliant at basketball? 5%? 20%? 50%?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on May 14, 2019, 07:43:49 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.

Slightly missing the point I feel. Reaction to it sends out the wrong message "Kawhi called the series" was the main comment. Meaning he took it into his own hands and decided - I'm going to win this. He got lucky. Sports media is full of all these terms like clutch and bottler which are largely bullsit narratives. He's probably a victim to this and felt he HAD to do this as he's the big name player. I strongly disagree with it.

Oh, i get your point perfectly. I'm just pointing out that it's nonsense.

Kawhi's stats in the series were otherworldly levels of good. He did win it for them. That's how basketball works. Your best players with the best experience and the biggest balls take the shot unless there's something obviously better on.

As for getting lucky, shots go in off the rim all the time. Is every shot that isn't a perfect swish lucky? How much of the fact that he knew he had to shoot it at an unusually high arc trajectory as 7 foot Joel embiid closed him down, did so successfully and converted it was down to luck, at opposed to him simply being brilliant at basketball? 5%? 20%? 50%?
https://www.nba.com/raptors/stats

53.9 fg% the right guy took the final shot, probably called in huddle.

Not sure he had time to lay it off.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ieumo-iYMbg&feature=onebox
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 14, 2019, 07:56:14 PM
It was an unreal play but on some respects it was a free go. Game was not lost as it was going to overtime so it was a good percentage shot. Execution was great though and as has been said the high arc to get it in was essential. The reality is that given the closeness of many of these teams at this level this type of 'clutch' play is regular. Small margins and Leonard has been outstanding all the way this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 15, 2019, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 14, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 14, 2019, 12:02:40 PM
Yeah, when there's 4 seconds on the clock, they should really just keep working away until they get an open look or a simple layup.

Same in American football. I mean, nobody should ever try a hail Mary when there's an open slant route to pick you up 4 yards. Or try an onside kick. They almost never work.

Slightly missing the point I feel. Reaction to it sends out the wrong message "Kawhi called the series" was the main comment. Meaning he took it into his own hands and decided - I'm going to win this. He got lucky. Sports media is full of all these terms like clutch and bottler which are largely bullsit narratives. He's probably a victim to this and felt he HAD to do this as he's the big name player. I strongly disagree with it.

Oh, i get your point perfectly. I'm just pointing out that it's nonsense.

Kawhi's stats in the series were otherworldly levels of good. He did win it for them. That's how basketball works. Your best players with the best experience and the biggest balls take the shot unless there's something obviously better on.

As for getting lucky, shots go in off the rim all the time. Is every shot that isn't a perfect swish lucky? How much of the fact that he knew he had to shoot it at an unusually high arc trajectory as 7 foot Joel embiid closed him down, did so successfully and converted it was down to luck, at opposed to him simply being brilliant at basketball? 5%? 20%? 50%?

No doubt he's good at basketball. No doubt he had a great series. How many shots thrown up by an off balance player under severe pressure bounce 4 times off the rim and go in? His team mate (#43) was wide open for a clean shot at the top of the key but that was never a consideration (opponents clearly knew this too). It was a bad shot, you have to play the percentages. It was a very low percentage shot and he got lucky.

I understand people lionise this type of thing but my point is it shouldn't be that way. Would Kawhi be a worse player if he missed that shot and the Raptors lost in overtime? No. Is he a better player becasue it bounced 4 times on the rim and fell in? No. Popular sports culture would probably disagree with me on both those counts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 15, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
This is what a team player does.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-steve-kerr-17-foot-jumper-clinches-bulls-1997-title/ (https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-steve-kerr-17-foot-jumper-clinches-bulls-1997-title/)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 15, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
Oh look, you brought out a Chicago reference. How entertaining.

His teammate at the top of the key, who was available with about a second on the clock was Siakam. The reason he was free was because he set a pick on Ben Simmons to get Kawhi the shot. Simmons went over the top of the pick and hounded kawhi, and was joined by embiid. As you might imagine, trying to pass to a guy when there's a 7 footer and a near 7 footer in your face, with a second on the clock, isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.

He took the only option that was there for him in the circumstances and made it count.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on May 15, 2019, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 15, 2019, 09:27:14 AM
This is what a team player does.

https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-steve-kerr-17-foot-jumper-clinches-bulls-1997-title/ (https://theundefeated.com/features/nba-finals-history-steve-kerr-17-foot-jumper-clinches-bulls-1997-title/)

I call balls!!! How many times has Jordan taken the shot at the buzzer with a team mate standing free??!!! The one time he doesn't and he's the ultimate team player??

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 15, 2019, 11:00:35 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 15, 2019, 10:39:56 AM
Oh look, you brought out a Chicago reference. How entertaining.

His teammate at the top of the key, who was available with about a second on the clock was Siakam. The reason he was free was because he set a pick on Ben Simmons to get Kawhi the shot. Simmons went over the top of the pick and hounded kawhi, and was joined by embiid. As you might imagine, trying to pass to a guy when there's a 7 footer and a near 7 footer in your face, with a second on the clock, isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.

He took the only option that was there for him in the circumstances and made it count.

Easier than shooting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 15, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
God love you seanie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on May 15, 2019, 11:34:58 AM
Zions for New Orleans then, slightly underwhelming. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 15, 2019, 03:08:23 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 15, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
God love you seanie

God love you more like it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 15, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
The retort of a 9 year old
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gold on May 15, 2019, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 14, 2019, 07:56:14 PM
It was an unreal play but on some respects it was a free go. Game was not lost as it was going to overtime so it was a good percentage shot. Execution was great though and as has been said the high arc to get it in was essential. The reality is that given the closeness of many of these teams at this level this type of 'clutch' play is regular. Small margins and Leonard has been outstanding all the way this season.

Was class but a free go as you said....v different than a must make bucket when youre 2 down. Still. Class

Gutted as i like the 76ers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on May 15, 2019, 09:37:42 PM
Steve Kerr has changed basketball completely in terms of shot selection. 5 or 6 years ago a player would get a bolloxing for taking on too many 3 point shots. Now all the top teams have 2 or 3 players that are expected to shoot on site from 3 point range. I think I read somewhere that the stats guys re-did the numbers and worked out it was a more efficient strategy even if in theory 70% shooting 2 point shots (expected points per shot 1.4) is better than 40% at 3 (expected points 1.2 per shot) but shooting from further out guarantees getting more shots off and stretches the defence who before where blank style getting in position protecting the rim, now teams have to come out or the best players will shoot the lights out from beyond arc. When they do come out that leaves more space inside so easier layups. Also turn over from 3 point shot the team are all in position to defend fast break so concede less when ball is turned over.

It would be interesting in gaa if a team had 3 or 4 players that shot fairly well that just fired off shots from 35/40 meters when the other team sat in blanket defence. 1 point no matter where score from might make it not quite as good a strategy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2019, 08:50:27 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 15, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
The retort of a 9 year old

You? More like 6 I'd say.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on May 17, 2019, 12:07:27 AM
Patrick Peterson corner back of the Arizona Cardinals has been suspended 6 games for taking performance enhancing drugs. Normally it is 4 games for a first offence but he had a masking agent in his sample as well so it is a six game suspension. This is a big blow for the Cardinals and a bigger blow for Petersons reputation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 17, 2019, 08:34:11 AM
https://www.facebook.com/SportsCenter/videos/594070814428311?s=1439714418&v=e&sfns=mo

Just for Seanie!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 31, 2019, 08:54:47 AM
Raptors take Game 1 of the finals behind a huge performance from Pascal Siakam.

Drake, the absolute tool, was giving it large to Draymond. Can't imagine that'll be the smartest thing he's ever done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 31, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
Massive win - more of the same in Game 2

f**k Draymond
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 31, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on May 31, 2019, 02:45:35 PM
Massive win - more of the same in Game 2

f**k Draymond

f**k Drake.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 31, 2019, 04:06:49 PM
Letting a musician get in your head LOL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 31, 2019, 06:15:02 PM
I forgot I had such a vested interest in the fates of two franchises on the far side of the Atlantic competing for glory in a sport that probably ranks 6th or 7th amongst my favourites to the extent that I "let a musician get in my head"  ::)

What are you, 12?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 31, 2019, 06:49:43 PM
I was talking about Draymond there champ  .......


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on June 11, 2019, 12:20:34 AM
Kellen Winslow ll has been found guilty of the rape of a 58 year old homeless woman amongst other charges. The former Buccaneers tight end, number 6 pick in the draft and son of hall of fame tight end Kellen Winslow faces 15 years to life in jail on the rape charge.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 12:30:34 AM
KD getting rushed back for tonight, surely no way back for the warriors regardless of his impact?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 11, 2019, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 12:30:34 AM
KD getting rushed back for tonight, surely no way back for the warriors regardless of his impact?
durant is probably leaving anyway so warriors not too worried about an extended injury
They need to get something from him and try extend the series.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 03:22:11 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 11, 2019, 01:36:15 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 12:30:34 AM
KD getting rushed back for tonight, surely no way back for the warriors regardless of his impact?
durant is probably leaving anyway so warriors not too worried about an extended injury
They need to get something from him and try extend the series.

Injures himself in second quarter after looking good.

Warriors up by 6 at the half but seriously up against it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 11, 2019, 04:40:03 AM
Warriors win in Toronto...trail 3-2 with game 6 in Oakland on Thursday.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 04:42:45 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 11, 2019, 04:40:03 AM
Warriors win in Toronto...trail 3-2 with game 6 in Oakland on Thursday.

Wasn't pretty but they managed to get over the line. KD limping out on crutches and Looney injured again. Backs to wall for game 6. They will need the last game at Oracle to inspire them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 11, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 04:42:45 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 11, 2019, 04:40:03 AM
Warriors win in Toronto...trail 3-2 with game 6 in Oakland on Thursday.

Wasn't pretty but they managed to get over the line. KD limping out on crutches and Looney injured again. Backs to wall for game 6. They will need the last game at Oracle to inspire them

Opinion is that if Steph Curry and Klay get 60 between them the Warriors have a chance.

Hard to see them doing it twice in a row though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on June 11, 2019, 10:46:27 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on June 11, 2019, 12:20:34 AM
Kellen Winslow ll has been found guilty of the rape of a 58 year old homeless woman amongst other charges. The former Buccaneers tight end, number 6 pick in the draft and son of hall of fame tight end Kellen Winslow faces 15 years to life in jail on the rape charge.

Sounds pretty awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on June 12, 2019, 07:15:15 AM
He did a lot more than that unfortunately.... mistrial on the other charges
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on June 12, 2019, 12:06:36 PM
Raiders selected for this year's Hard Knocks - should be some craic.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on June 12, 2019, 01:18:47 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 11, 2019, 07:58:30 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 11, 2019, 04:42:45 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 11, 2019, 04:40:03 AM
Warriors win in Toronto...trail 3-2 with game 6 in Oakland on Thursday.

Wasn't pretty but they managed to get over the line. KD limping out on crutches and Looney injured again. Backs to wall for game 6. They will need the last game at Oracle to inspire them

Opinion is that if Steph Curry and Klay get 60 between them the Warriors have a chance.

Hard to see them doing it twice in a row though.
Thought Toronto really threw that match away. It was a game they should have won comfortably. Might be tough to recover from.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 01:46:13 AM
Anyone watching Stanley cup game 7 ? Exciting stuff
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on June 13, 2019, 03:07:49 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 01:46:13 AM
Anyone watching Stanley cup game 7 ? Exciting stuff

St Louis Blues are the oldest NHL team without a Stanley cup win. Up 2-0 at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 13, 2019, 03:57:22 AM
Quote from: dec on June 13, 2019, 03:07:49 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 01:46:13 AM
Anyone watching Stanley cup game 7 ? Exciting stuff

St Louis Blues are the oldest NHL team without a Stanley cup win. Up 2-0 at the moment.

Blues win game 7 on a 4-1 scoreline.  Hard to believe they were dead last on 3 January...some run since then.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 13, 2019, 03:57:22 AM
Quote from: dec on June 13, 2019, 03:07:49 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 01:46:13 AM
Anyone watching Stanley cup game 7 ? Exciting stuff

St Louis Blues are the oldest NHL team without a Stanley cup win. Up 2-0 at the moment.

Blues win game 7 on a 4-1 scoreline.  Hard to believe they were dead last on 3 January...some run since then.
players must be shattered playoffs started early April they are some tough men
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 13, 2019, 05:53:05 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 04:40:25 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 13, 2019, 03:57:22 AM
Quote from: dec on June 13, 2019, 03:07:49 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2019, 01:46:13 AM
Anyone watching Stanley cup game 7 ? Exciting stuff

St Louis Blues are the oldest NHL team without a Stanley cup win. Up 2-0 at the moment.

Blues win game 7 on a 4-1 scoreline.  Hard to believe they were dead last on 3 January...some run since then.
players must be shattered playoffs started early April they are some tough men

Playoff NHL hockey is about as intense as sports can get.  Every team seems to have a chance - getting the hot goalie from April on is one of the main keys to success.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 14, 2019, 04:52:38 AM
Toronto Raptors win the NBA title in Game 6. 

Warriors lost Klay Thompson to a knee injury early in the third quarter - he had 30 points when he left.  Coupled with the unavailable Durant, it was just too much to overcome.

Kawhi Leonard immense for Toronto.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on June 14, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 14, 2019, 04:52:38 AM
Toronto Raptors win the NBA title in Game 6. 

Warriors lost Klay Thompson to a knee injury early in the third quarter - he had 30 points when he left.  Coupled with the unavailable Durant, it was just too much to overcome.

Kawhi Leonard immense for Toronto.

Great to see!!! The City has been crying out for a proper Championship win since the 90s (MLS/Grey Cup doesn't really count does it?) hard to believe it's come in basketball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 14, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Huge achievement for the raptors and absolute vindication for Kawhi aggers what happened last year in San Antonio. He gambled on himself and is going to win big, either in Toronto or anywhere else. Be interesting to see if he'll consider staying.

Klay tore his ACL. With KD likely to leave and Klay out, I wonder if they'll consider blowing things up. Five straight finals, three wins and a 73 win season will ensure they go down as one of the best teams of all time. Could still be plenty of line in them though and if KD stays, they'll start next year as deserved favourites once again.

Kyrie has opted out and looks like he's on his way to Brooklyn. The man is a cancer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on June 14, 2019, 08:27:23 PM
I felt the Warriors would of won that if Klay didn't get injured. Its such a pity as GSW fan. A fair few Toronto fans led by Drake are horrible, cheering when KD got inj, abusing steph currys parents, attacking GSW fans outside their ground, watching the game in Vancouver I got a bit of shit from them.

The playoffs in previous years the Warriors have benefited from injuries of opp team stars, so cant begrudge them, but for me no way they win if we had KD and  Klay fit, even looney is not fully fit. I actually feel if we won last night we would of won it out with Klay fit.

Lowry gave them a great start last night and VVF finished strongly. Proud of the Warriors and how they kept fighting despite how many blows we took.

This summer will be interesting - do we resign KD and klay on maxs even though both have serious injuries, we might not see KD next yr and Klay will be 8 months away, there saying allstar weekend, do we resign Cousins.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 14, 2019, 08:54:02 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 14, 2019, 03:03:40 PM
Huge achievement for the raptors and absolute vindication for Kawhi aggers what happened last year in San Antonio. He gambled on himself and is going to win big, either in Toronto or anywhere else. Be interesting to see if he'll consider staying.

Klay tore his ACL. With KD likely to leave and Klay out, I wonder if they'll consider blowing things up. Five straight finals, three wins and a 73 win season will ensure they go down as one of the best teams of all time. Could still be plenty of line in them though and if KD stays, they'll start next year as deserved favourites once again.

Kyrie has opted out and looks like he's on his way to Brooklyn. The man is a cancer.

Durant expected to miss all of next season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 15, 2019, 05:09:32 AM
I've followed the warriors since I moved to the Bay Area for the past 19 years. The last 7 years has been great watching them and I don't believe this is over yet. This playoffs has been very hard to watch with all the injuries but they showed great courage, I honestly thought they should have gone for a layup with Iggy last night in the final play as Curry was triple covered, but he got a good look.

KD will most likely take the option, and will be back before the end of next season. Klay will also sign again, and will be back in Jan. The big question is can they get enough wins in the first half of next season. If they can and sneak into the playoffs as 6-8 seed then they will be very hard to beat. Lakers are already favorites for next year with the Dubs 6th favorites. Will be very open whatever happens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 15, 2019, 12:38:09 PM
Lakers favourites? What do the bookies know about who they're getting that we don't? Kawhi? PG13?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 15, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
Bucks and Raptors both shorter prices than Lakers..

I'd be surprised if Kawhi went to Lakers, he'd hardly want to play 2nd fiddle to Le Bron?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 15, 2019, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2019, 12:38:09 PM
Lakers favourites? What do the bookies know about who they're getting that we don't? Kawhi? PG13?

Anthony Davis maybe
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 15, 2019, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: Boycey on June 15, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
Bucks and Raptors both shorter prices than Lakers..

I'd be surprised if Kawhi went to Lakers, he'd hardly want to play 2nd fiddle to Le Bron?

Kawhi wouldn't mind his role in the team as long as it have him a chance to win and he got paid like the max player he is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 15, 2019, 02:38:11 PM
When he was moving last summer there was speculation that Kawhi favoured the Clippers over the Lakers in LA for exactly that reason?

Edit - 1st link I found
https://www.sbnation.com/2019/6/14/18660030/kawhi-leonard-free-agency-rumors-toronto-raptors-nba-champion
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 16, 2019, 12:33:10 AM
Quote from: Minder on June 15, 2019, 01:01:30 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 15, 2019, 12:38:09 PM
Lakers favourites? What do the bookies know about who they're getting that we don't? Kawhi? PG13?

Anthony Davis maybe

Yup
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 28, 2019, 10:55:28 PM
Jaysus Kellen Winslow is one bad bastard.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/06/13/kellen-winslow-jr-ii-crimes-rape-trial-homeless-woman-elderly?utm_source=si.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-share-article&utm_content=20190628
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 30, 2019, 10:42:14 PM
Durant (4 years, 164m) going to Brooklyn to team up with Kyrie (4 years, 141m).

I mean he's one of the best players of all time but at present he can't f**king walk. Signing him to that deal now is mental.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 30, 2019, 11:01:54 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 30, 2019, 10:42:14 PM
Durant (4 years, 164m) going to Brooklyn to team up with Kyrie (4 years, 141m).

I mean he's one of the best players of all time but at present he can't f**king walk. Signing him to that deal now is mental.

Talk of DeAndre going to the nets as well
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 30, 2019, 11:04:19 PM
The deal is as done as DJ's career :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 01, 2019, 12:13:39 AM
Gold Cup quarter final coming up:  USA v Curaçao


USA hold on for 1-0 victory.  Meet Jamaica in the semifinal...Mexico and Haiti in the other semifinal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 01, 2019, 06:02:10 AM
D-Lo to the Warriors

Iggy to Memphis  :(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 06, 2019, 10:21:12 AM
Kawhi Leonard & Paul George to the Clippers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 06, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
NBA is wide open next year. Crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 12, 2019, 04:16:13 AM
Westbrook going to the rockets and Paul the other way :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on July 12, 2019, 10:09:35 PM
Quote from: gallsman on July 06, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
NBA is wide open next year. Crazy.

You said it, some of amount of moves this off season. Exciting but a lot of unknowns. Living in Vancouver in PST i got to watch a lot season games and I was surprised how exciting it was. Before that in GMT id watch as much post season as possible. The west is looking very interesting.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on August 09, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
Twitter going mad for the Christian Wade TD last night for the Bills. It was impressive for his first ever touch.  I read somewhere that he goes into the practice squads for this season though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on August 09, 2019, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 09, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
Twitter going mad for the Christian Wade TD last night for the Bills. It was impressive for his first ever touch.  I read somewhere that he goes into the practice squads for this season though.

It's still only preseason so he'll have some work to do this month to get on the main roster. He didn't get another carry after his TD!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on August 09, 2019, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2019, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 09, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
Twitter going mad for the Christian Wade TD last night for the Bills. It was impressive for his first ever touch.  I read somewhere that he goes into the practice squads for this season though.

It's still only preseason so he'll have some work to do this month to get on the main roster. He didn't get another carry after his TD!

I thought under the rules of the international development pathway he can only make the practice squad this year (but doesn't count against the maximum number there) however he is not allowed on the main roster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on August 09, 2019, 04:22:54 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 09, 2019, 04:10:59 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 09, 2019, 04:05:47 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 09, 2019, 03:48:16 PM
Twitter going mad for the Christian Wade TD last night for the Bills. It was impressive for his first ever touch.  I read somewhere that he goes into the practice squads for this season though.

It's still only preseason so he'll have some work to do this month to get on the main roster. He didn't get another carry after his TD!

I thought under the rules of the international development pathway he can only make the practice squad this year (but doesn't count against the maximum number there) however he is not allowed on the main roster.

Shit sorry you're right they can only practice this year then they are eligible to play next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 23, 2019, 03:02:45 AM
Sports Illustrated NFL Review - and the kiss of death by being on the cover goes to the Cleveland Browns!!!

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on August 24, 2019, 03:00:45 AM
Lol, we've been kissed by death for ages!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on August 25, 2019, 02:57:10 AM
Andrew Luck Colts QB is retiring on Sunday, reported during Bears/Indy game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on August 25, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 25, 2019, 02:57:10 AM
Andrew Luck Colts QB is retiring on Sunday, reported during Bears/Indy game.
leaving colts in a major jam , saw a power ranking and they were number 5
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on August 25, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
Brave move. Must be one of the biggest shocks in NFL history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 26, 2019, 02:53:36 AM
Quote from: Gmac on August 25, 2019, 04:43:55 AM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on August 25, 2019, 02:57:10 AM
Andrew Luck Colts QB is retiring on Sunday, reported during Bears/Indy game.
leaving colts in a major jam , saw a power ranking and they were number 5

Sports Illustrated has Colts losing to Pats in AFC Championship game (Pats to beat Saints in Super Bowl, by the way). 

Browns picked to win their division, but not advance too far in playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on August 26, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Colts "fans" booing Luck after his retirement announcement is conclusive proof (if any were needed) that there are a multitude of idiots out there. Absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on August 27, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
Just goes to show that rule#1 = find a franchise QB , should be quickly followed by rule #2 = protect that QB ........

If Luck had've been given a decent OL he could conceivably have been up there challenging for GOAT status.

Derek Carr, a decent but much more limited QB,  was in the MVP conversations a few years ago, but only behind a top 3 OL
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on August 27, 2019, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: gallsman on August 25, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
Brave move. Must be one of the biggest shocks in NFL history.

I remember Barry Sanders retiring at 30/31 a year after running for 2,00 yards with 3 years left on his contract and teh rushing record in his sights. In my opinion the most exciting RB I have ever watched. Interesting he said in 2015 he was "young and foolish" when he retired.

Hard to argue with Luck if its for health reasons. I am sure he did not take the decision lightly but unfortunately there are a lot of ex NFL stars with millions in  the bank crippled by chronic health issues. It is a brutal sport.  Luck is set up for life, has the kind of personality you would imagine will be in demand as a pundit so good luck to him. Leaves the Colts in a jam though in a year where many people, including myself, fancied them to go far. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on August 28, 2019, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 26, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Colts "fans" booing Luck after his retirement announcement is conclusive proof (if any were needed) that there are a multitude of idiots out there. Absolutely ridiculous.

I still can't get my head around the breath-taking ignorance, stupidity, and arrogant entitlement of someone who would do this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on August 28, 2019, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 28, 2019, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 26, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Colts "fans" booing Luck after his retirement announcement is conclusive proof (if any were needed) that there are a multitude of idiots out there. Absolutely ridiculous.

I still can't get my head around the breath-taking ignorance, stupidity, and arrogant entitlement of someone who would do this.
If you pay for your ticket, and those funds have helped Luck earn $100m from your team, then you've every entitlement to boo if you want to boo. I'm sure some see the timing of this as awful just before the season starts, rather than at the end of a season, leaving your team high and dry. It's been reported (rightly or wrongly) that the leg injury isn't that serious and he's quoted as not being prepared to put the work in this time to go through recovery etc.  So you could argue that Luck could have handled this a little bit better.

But being entitled to boo, doesn't make it less stupid!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on August 28, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 28, 2019, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 26, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Colts "fans" booing Luck after his retirement announcement is conclusive proof (if any were needed) that there are a multitude of idiots out there. Absolutely ridiculous.

I still can't get my head around the breath-taking ignorance, stupidity, and arrogant entitlement of someone who would do this.
that was at the game Saturday night when luck was standing on sideline and it had leaked that he was retiring, add in the fact that 90% of people at nfl games are pounding a lot of beers it's not a surprise at all
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 04, 2019, 07:56:51 AM
$110m guaranteed for Goff, clock ticking for LA to win a SB with that contract on the books
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 04, 2019, 12:34:08 PM
Elliot gets his big money contract too i see.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 04, 2019, 05:49:28 PM
f**king Gordon won't cop on and sign.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 04, 2019, 07:43:47 PM
Zeke's contract is crazy and will probably harden Melvin Gordon's position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 04, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
Gordon has no leverage whatsoever. Chargers have supposedly priced him at two picks - a first and a fifth. Someone will pay him but he'll not get the money he's looking out of LA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 04, 2019, 09:31:21 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 04, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
Gordon has no leverage whatsoever. Chargers have supposedly priced him at two picks - a first and a fifth. Someone will pay him but he'll not get the money he's looking out of LA.

Teams know a RB has only probably a 4 to 5 year peak before they start regressing, due to injuries and workload. Teams are more than happy to take their chances in the draft with a RB
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 05, 2019, 06:11:13 AM
They have capable backups and a good QB and WR ser. They'll not be pounding them like Barkley or Elliott. He has two years left on his deal and doesn't become a free agent even if he sits out the entire year. Good as he is (and he's very, very good), he's not as good as the two mentioned previously, Kamara, McCaffrey or Gurley. He's never getting elite RB money.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 05, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
And people thought Antonio Brown would change ?!

He could be done in Oakland already, threatened to hit GM Mike Mayock today in an altercation
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 05, 2019, 10:16:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 05, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
And people thought Antonio Brown would change ?!

He could be done in Oakland already, threatened to hit GM Mike Mayock today in an altercation
they should dump this clown and recoup any money they have paid him hard to win with guys like him on a team , bears  packers tonight should be a good one be interesting to see if the bears can continue upswing and how the new coach of packers will do
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 05, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 05, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
And people thought Antonio Brown would change ?!

He could be done in Oakland already, threatened to hit GM Mike Mayock today in an altercation

Why they couldn't have had this argument and suspension drama before the B league draft on tuesday I will never know.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 05, 2019, 10:24:35 PM
Coach is buzzing anyway!!!

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1169329687799242757?s=21
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 05, 2019, 10:31:47 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 05, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 05, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
And people thought Antonio Brown would change ?!

He could be done in Oakland already, threatened to hit GM Mike Mayock today in an altercation

Why they couldn't have had this argument and suspension drama before the B league draft on tuesday I will never know.
i got him too ,he's  heading int Terrell Owens territory now with his diva behavior.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 06, 2019, 12:54:58 AM
Raiders need to cut their loses on AB now. He's created an absolute circus and this last episode should be the final nail in the coffin
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 06, 2019, 05:08:30 AM
Absolutely borefest of a game that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2019, 05:57:32 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 05, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 05, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
And people thought Antonio Brown would change ?!

He could be done in Oakland already, threatened to hit GM Mike Mayock today in an altercation

Why they couldn't have had this argument and suspension drama before the B league draft on tuesday I will never know.

In fairness, anyone drafting AB with anything resembling an early pick needs a slap. Derek Carr throwing to him ffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 06, 2019, 08:59:15 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 06, 2019, 05:57:32 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 05, 2019, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 05, 2019, 06:56:13 PM
And people thought Antonio Brown would change ?!

He could be done in Oakland already, threatened to hit GM Mike Mayock today in an altercation

Why they couldn't have had this argument and suspension drama before the B league draft on tuesday I will never know.

In fairness, anyone drafting AB with anything resembling an early pick needs a slap. Derek Carr throwing to him ffs

Raiders have a new stadium to seel season tickets for and they've no stars. They were desperate for a big name player to advertise their franchise. Whoops.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 06, 2019, 09:11:16 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 06, 2019, 05:08:30 AM
Absolutely borefest of a game that

Recorded it and woke up at 2.30am and started watching, fast forwarding the breaks and halftime. Caught up in the 4th quarter. Tough loss for da Bears. Defense was lights out - look to be almost at last years levels. Thought Rodgers got a little lucky with the TD. When the ball left his hand I was sure it was going to be picked but Graham held off the DB very well. In fairness, Rodgers had produced a moment of magic to set up the field position. Bears offense was poor. Showed one or two flashes and were a little unfortunate not to get the TD to tie when a DB with his back to the ball flicked out his arm to deny a certain TD for Mike Davis. Trubisky made a terrible decision on 3rd down to seal the game and had an uninspiring night. Terrible night in terms of penalties for a usually disciplined Bears. Green Bay's defense is clearly better than last season though it must be said, both offenses looked rusty and will improve.

As a Bears fan, the strength of the D, flashed from Montgomery and Allen Robinson were the main positives. Lookds like Mike Davis will have a sizeable role too and he looked sharp.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 06, 2019, 10:43:49 AM
Robinson looked sharper than he has for a couple of years alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 06, 2019, 12:59:00 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 06, 2019, 05:08:30 AM
Absolutely borefest of a game that

Tried to watch the 10 minute highlight clip on facebook there and even that bored me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 07, 2019, 10:39:13 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 06, 2019, 10:43:49 AM
Robinson looked sharper than he has for a couple of years alright.

He did. If the Bears are to succeed on offense he's crucial. This offense is better than the one he was in in Jacksonville so if his physical attributes are restored (looks like they are), he could be a monster.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 04:13:47 PM
Another U-turn from AB...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 05:01:28 PM
And he's released
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 07, 2019, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 05:01:28 PM
And he's released

Cost him $300k (in fines) to play for the Raiders
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 07, 2019, 09:34:43 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 07, 2019, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 05:01:28 PM
And he's released

Cost him $300k (in fines) to play for the Raiders

To not play for them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
And now signs for the Pats!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 07, 2019, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
And now signs for the Pats!!

AB and josh gordon in the same Locker Room. I suppose if any one can, Bill can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 07, 2019, 10:38:18 PM
Antonio Brown with Brady throwing to him should be better than Antonio Brown with Derek Carr throwing to him. This will actually improve my fantasy team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 07, 2019, 10:43:53 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 07, 2019, 10:38:18 PM
Antonio Brown with Brady throwing to him should be better than Antonio Brown with Derek Carr throwing to him. This will actually improve my fantasy team.

Before this move Pats were expected to be run heavy, Brady obviously ain't what he was so interesting to see how this changes things
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
This AB situation has been wildly entertaining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 08, 2019, 07:40:31 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 07, 2019, 10:10:13 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 07, 2019, 10:04:46 PM
And now signs for the Pats!!

AB and josh gordon in the same Locker Room. I suppose if any one can, Bill can.

Gordon doesn't really have a history of being troublesome in the locker room though I don't think. Just loves weed too much.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 08, 2019, 07:02:03 PM
Jacksonville's discipline as good as last year. Miles Jack ejected for a punch about a foot in front of the ref.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 08, 2019, 10:35:54 PM
Vikings got off to a winning start against the Falcons. 28-0 after 3 quarters before coughing up some late points for a final score of 28-12.

The Browns got walloped at home by the Titans. Not a big surprise with this being the Browns, it will put an end to all the superbowl hype anyway.

The Ravens and lamar Jackson looked impressive but they were up against the Dolphins who are favourites for the first pick in next years draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on September 08, 2019, 10:52:17 PM
Flag fest in Tampa Bay. 5 tds wiped out by penalties! 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions including a Jimmy G pick 6. Ugly, ugly stuff.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 09, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
This AB situation has been wildly entertaining.

Not if you are a Raiders fan.

Gruden has now (in only year 2 of his 10 year contract):

- lost a generational talent in Mack,
- lost a #1 WR in Cooper,
- wasted  a #1 draft pick on Kolton Miller, who is simply not up to the job
- wasted a #1 draft pick on Clelin Ferrell, who could have been picked up much later
- wasted an entire off season, embarrassing himself and the Organisation by being played for a fool by Brown
- undermined his GM
- failed (again) to fix the LB and Edge problems in the team
- ensured we go into this season with half our game plan out the window
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 09, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 09, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
This AB situation has been wildly entertaining.

Not if you are a Raiders fan.

Gruden has now (in only year 2 of his 10 year contract):

- lost a generational talent in Mack,
- lost a #1 WR in Cooper,
- wasted  a #1 draft pick on Kolton Miller, who is simply not up to the job
- wasted a #1 draft pick on Clelin Ferrell, who could have been picked up much later
- wasted an entire off season, embarrassing himself and the Organisation by being played for a fool by Brown
- undermined his GM
- failed (again) to fix the LB and Edge problems in the team
- ensured we go into this season with half our game plan out the window

So you won't be knocking on wood Tyroneman ?  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:15:06 AM
Missed the entire season last year, so trying to get back into it now.

RedZone didn't seem to be available when I flicked on Sky Sports yesterday during the earlier game. Is RedZone gone now?

Does anywhere have a decent highlights program?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 09, 2019, 11:59:27 AM
Sky Mix for redzone. Channel 121 i think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2019, 12:28:00 PM
Quote from: Hound on September 09, 2019, 11:15:06 AM
Missed the entire season last year, so trying to get back into it now.

RedZone didn't seem to be available when I flicked on Sky Sports yesterday during the earlier game. Is RedZone gone now?

Does anywhere have a decent highlights program?

BBC's twice weekly shows are exceptionally good.

Every game will have a 6-10 minute highlight video on Youtube a few hours after the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 09, 2019, 12:56:51 PM
Kyler Murray had an interesting debut. He was putrid for 3 quarters and the Cards broadcast team were inconsolable.  Then he went berserk in the 4th quarter and they were on cloud nine.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 10, 2019, 06:47:43 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 09, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
This AB situation has been wildly entertaining.

Not if you are a Raiders fan.

Gruden has now (in only year 2 of his 10 year contract):

- lost a generational talent in Mack,
- lost a #1 WR in Cooper,
- wasted  a #1 draft pick on Kolton Miller, who is simply not up to the job
- wasted a #1 draft pick on Clelin Ferrell, who could have been picked up much later
- wasted an entire off season, embarrassing himself and the Organisation by being played for a fool by Brown
- undermined his GM
- failed (again) to fix the LB and Edge problems in the team
- ensured we go into this season with half our game plan out the window
Carr and Raiders looked pretty good tonight 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 10, 2019, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 10, 2019, 06:47:43 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on September 09, 2019, 08:51:59 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2019, 02:29:38 AM
This AB situation has been wildly entertaining.

Not if you are a Raiders fan.

Gruden has now (in only year 2 of his 10 year contract):

- lost a generational talent in Mack,
- lost a #1 WR in Cooper,
- wasted  a #1 draft pick on Kolton Miller, who is simply not up to the job
- wasted a #1 draft pick on Clelin Ferrell, who could have been picked up much later
- wasted an entire off season, embarrassing himself and the Organisation by being played for a fool by Brown
- undermined his GM
- failed (again) to fix the LB and Edge problems in the team
- ensured we go into this season with half our game plan out the window
Carr and Raiders looked pretty good tonight

Yeh - bit of a tonic alright that performance.

Brutal stretch coming up tho'
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on September 10, 2019, 09:36:48 AM
Pats looked good on the late game. Brady actually looked a bit out of sorts..... for about 3 throws and the they just dismantled the Steelers. They are just so clinical. Edelman always available, even catching a pass when Watt got to Brady and knocked the ball out and Brady connected for a couple of big completions with Gordon. The defense was rock solid all night and if AB plays like he can when he comes in they will not be far away again.

Hard to know what to make of the Steelers. They were poor and never got going on offense at all but how much of that was down to NE being so good is debatable.

Gronk was there as well unveiling the banner and was interviewed afterwards was being interviewed and was asked when he would return. Obviously tongue in cheek but.......

"What week, though, seriously," Portnoy asked. "14? 15? I know you. Avoid the grind of the season and come back for the playoffs." "Exactly," Gronkowski replied with a smile. "And I'm only going to be single coverage with all those receivers we have. Won't even get touched. Week 14."

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 10, 2019, 10:11:58 AM
What a finish to the Saints game.  A fine final drive by Brees to set up a quality kick by Lutz.  Even though I think the Saints defence had about 6 sacks i have to say, how well did Watson play!?  Thought he was brilliant all night.  Texans will go far this season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2019, 09:27:00 AM
The AB saga not over quite yet, a civil suit lodged for alleged rape by Brown
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on September 11, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2019, 09:27:00 AM
The AB saga not over quite yet, a civil suit lodged for alleged rape by Brown

By the Raiders?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on September 11, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 11, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 11, 2019, 09:27:00 AM
The AB saga not over quite yet, a civil suit lodged for alleged rape by Brown

By the Raiders?

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 11, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
Easy, and somewhat crass, jokes aside, this will be a bit of headache for Bellichick. Pats yet to comment on it and he could up being held away. Innocent until proven guilty of course.

Then again, their billionaire owner gets $40 blowjobs from sex slaves, so Pats could just choose to ignore it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2019, 05:51:10 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 11, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
Easy, and somewhat crass, jokes aside, this will be a bit of headache for Bellichick. Pats yet to comment on it and he could up being held away. Innocent until proven guilty of course.

Then again, their billionaire owner gets $40 blowjobs from sex slaves, so Pats could just choose to ignore it.

I doubt the Pats would have taken him on if they had known about this (apparently they didn't)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 12, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Fantasy football update says the AB was at practice and looks like he will be starting week 2 unless the league intervenes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on September 12, 2019, 10:21:22 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on September 12, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Fantasy football update says the AB was at practice and looks like he will be starting week 2 unless the league intervenes.

Yeah no one has ever been placed on the Commissioners Exempt list for a civil investigation apparently. Only criminal ones. I wonder was a complaint made to police and if not why not.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 15, 2019, 10:35:41 PM
Refs f**k the Saints against the Rams again. Why would you vote that dead ffs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 15, 2019, 11:12:44 PM
Also, Pat Mahomes is very, very good at football.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 16, 2019, 10:11:57 AM
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2019, 10:35:41 PM
Refs f**k the Saints against the Rams again. Why would you vote that dead ffs

Saw that. Another joke shop.  In the long run though i dont think it would have mattered because Bridgewater isnt up to it.  Season could be over for the Saints if Brees is ruled out long term.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on September 16, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 15, 2019, 11:12:44 PM
Also, Pat Mahomes is very, very good at football.

this is true, although it should be balanced aganst the fact that the Raiders secondary are very, very bad at football
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 16, 2019, 07:33:02 PM
Big Ben out for the season with an elbow injury
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 16, 2019, 10:57:18 PM
Brees out for 6 weeks,

What do ye make of the Dolphins this year and the tanking for #1 pick? We have traded for Tunsil, stills, wake, Suh etc... for loads of picks next 2 years and opened up salary cap space. Looks like Minkah Fitzpatrick going to be traded this week for a 1st round aswell.

This season is a write off but just wondering if ye think we are rebuilding the right way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on September 16, 2019, 11:02:19 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 16, 2019, 10:57:18 PM
Brees out for 6 weeks,

What do ye make of the Dolphins this year and the tanking for #1 pick? We have traded for Tunsil, stills, wake, Suh etc... for loads of picks next 2 years and opened up salary cap space. Looks like Minkah Fitzpatrick going to be traded this week for a 1st round aswell.

This season is a write off but just wondering if ye think we are rebuilding the right way.

Is there a standout number 1 pick?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stringbean on September 16, 2019, 11:06:15 PM
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on September 16, 2019, 10:57:18 PM
Brees out for 6 weeks,

What do ye make of the Dolphins this year and the tanking for #1 pick? We have traded for Tunsil, stills, wake, Suh etc... for loads of picks next 2 years and opened up salary cap space. Looks like Minkah Fitzpatrick going to be traded this week for a 1st round aswell.

This season is a write off but just wondering if ye think we are rebuilding the right way.

Awful stuff from the Dolphins. No doubt a rebuild was needed but the extent they are going is unbelievable!! No guarantee draft picks going to work out, and no point drafting Tua without an o line or receiver to throw it to!! Mad stuff!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 17, 2019, 09:57:29 AM
Read there that the Dolphins will have a combined 5 first round picks and 4 second round picks in the next two drafts.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on September 17, 2019, 10:21:01 AM
Dolphins fan here and they are 100% doing it the right way, they've gotten unbelievable value for their trades and got rid of the players who don't want to be there.

The Raiders traded Mack, Cooper and a 2nd rd pick for two late 1st's and a 3rd.

Miami traded Tunsil and Fitzpatrick for 3 1st's and a 2nd.

Steelers minus Big Ben could be another very high pick along with their own and then we'll see where the Texans fall but you could pencil in say Tua, Jeudy and an OT for example in just the first round with loads more picks to come.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 17, 2019, 02:28:57 PM
Aaron Rodgers bitching at his coach again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 20, 2019, 09:28:17 PM
Brown cut by Pats
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 20, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2019, 09:28:17 PM
Brown cut by Pats

I wonder what the record for getting cut by the most teams in a single season is?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 20, 2019, 09:46:46 PM
Just a stunning couple of weeks and months from Brown.

I imagine there'll be a big NFL ban forthcoming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on September 20, 2019, 09:49:27 PM
Quote from: dec on September 20, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 20, 2019, 09:28:17 PM
Brown cut by Pats

I wonder what the record for getting cut by the most teams in a single season is?
nasty pice of work if the text messages that were made public are anything to go on , he's probably done now can't see another team touching him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 20, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
Brown is having some sort of mental breakdown. He has fouled up my chances in the fantasy football as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 20, 2019, 09:58:50 PM
Has went from having $30m guaranteed in March to earning $158k in 2019
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 20, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
Evidence of texts from AB asking for dirt to be dug up on a second accuser. Absolute moron.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 20, 2019, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 20, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
Brown is having some sort of mental breakdown. He has fouled up my chances in the fantasy football as well.

You left him on the bench last week and he scored more than any of the receivers you did pick. :)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on September 20, 2019, 10:43:52 PM
Brown has always been a bit of a cnut, he has just run out of road
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 07, 2019, 12:22:35 PM
The legend of Pat Mahomes took a few big hits last night!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 07, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Was at the Raiders-Bears game yesterday. Enjoyable experience for my first NFL game, even if American sports fandom is so fake and forced. Hammered Americans who can only shout "wooooo" or "yeahhhh!" when reacting to the game become quite tiresome after a while.

It was definitely made more enjoyable by the fact I had Josh Jacobs in my fantasy team and the guy I was playing was seated beside me.

Spurs' new stadium is absolutely incredible. It's like a way cooler version of the Aviva.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on October 08, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
Cleveland Browns back to being themselves again with a 31-3 loss to the 49ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 08, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
The Niners are legitimate contenders this year (if they can stay healthy).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 08, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Was at the Raiders-Bears game yesterday. Enjoyable experience for my first NFL game, even if American sports fandom is so fake and forced. Hammered Americans who can only shout "wooooo" or "yeahhhh!" when reacting to the game become quite tiresome after a while.

It was definitely made more enjoyable by the fact I had Josh Jacobs in my fantasy team and the guy I was playing was seated beside me.

Spurs' new stadium is absolutely incredible. It's like a way cooler version of the Aviva.

Was there myself. Great weekend. Brother in Law caught a ball lobbed into the seats by Harry Kane. Unreal stadium in fairness.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on October 08, 2019, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 08, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
The Niners are legitimate contenders this year (if they can stay healthy).
hopefully the fullback is ok looked like best player on the field until he got hurt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 08, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 08, 2019, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 08, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
The Niners are legitimate contenders this year (if they can stay healthy).
hopefully the fullback is ok looked like best player on the field until he got hurt

Yeah, its weird to think of a fullback being so important to offense in this day and age but he does a lot for them in the run game and they are a very heavy run offense. He's also a very good receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 08, 2019, 11:06:22 PM
9ers look good alright but they're schedule gets mad hard from here on in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on October 09, 2019, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: Clov on October 08, 2019, 07:47:07 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 08, 2019, 07:36:47 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 08, 2019, 05:39:06 PM
The Niners are legitimate contenders this year (if they can stay healthy).
hopefully the fullback is ok looked like best player on the field until he got hurt

Yeah, its weird to think of a fullback being so important to offense in this day and age but he does a lot for them in the run game and they are a very heavy run offense. He's also a very good receiver.
Defences are getting smaller and quicker so full backs are having a bit of a renaissance at the minute to counteract that in the run game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2019, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 08, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Was at the Raiders-Bears game yesterday. Enjoyable experience for my first NFL game, even if American sports fandom is so fake and forced. Hammered Americans who can only shout "wooooo" or "yeahhhh!" when reacting to the game become quite tiresome after a while.

It was definitely made more enjoyable by the fact I had Josh Jacobs in my fantasy team and the guy I was playing was seated beside me.

Spurs' new stadium is absolutely incredible. It's like a way cooler version of the Aviva.

Was there myself. Great weekend. Brother in Law caught a ball lobbed into the seats by Harry Kane. Unreal stadium in fairness.

Same here. Very enjoyable though the result and performance of my team was extremely disappointing. I guess it's that flying east for a game thing but the Bears were incredibly sluggish versus how they've looked up to now this season, defense in particular. A costly loss for da Bears I feel.

Stadium is fantastic. It looked like an NFL stadium to be honest. So easy to get in and out. Our seats were fantastic and I'd say there weren't any bad seasts. Terrible queues at the bars/stalls though which was a pain as well as the idiotic mechanism they have for filling beers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on October 09, 2019, 04:09:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2019, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 08, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Was at the Raiders-Bears game yesterday. Enjoyable experience for my first NFL game, even if American sports fandom is so fake and forced. Hammered Americans who can only shout "wooooo" or "yeahhhh!" when reacting to the game become quite tiresome after a while.

It was definitely made more enjoyable by the fact I had Josh Jacobs in my fantasy team and the guy I was playing was seated beside me.

Spurs' new stadium is absolutely incredible. It's like a way cooler version of the Aviva.

Was there myself. Great weekend. Brother in Law caught a ball lobbed into the seats by Harry Kane. Unreal stadium in fairness.

Same here. Very enjoyable though the result and performance of my team was extremely disappointing. I guess it's that flying east for a game thing but the Bears were incredibly sluggish versus how they've looked up to now this season, defense in particular. A costly loss for da Bears I feel.

Stadium is fantastic. It looked like an NFL stadium to be honest. So easy to get in and out. Our seats were fantastic and I'd say there weren't any bad seasts. Terrible queues at the bars/stalls though which was a pain as well as the idiotic mechanism they have for filling beers.

"What the hell could that be?" I thought.

So looked it up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7zJHH704oM

Mad! Does look as fast, if not faster, than a regular pump? Maybe more can go wrong. Certainly wouldnt want my Guinness poured that way (although I'd avoid Guinness in a stadium anyway!)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 09, 2019, 04:27:52 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2019, 02:27:38 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 08, 2019, 07:21:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 07, 2019, 04:43:19 PM
Was at the Raiders-Bears game yesterday. Enjoyable experience for my first NFL game, even if American sports fandom is so fake and forced. Hammered Americans who can only shout "wooooo" or "yeahhhh!" when reacting to the game become quite tiresome after a while.

It was definitely made more enjoyable by the fact I had Josh Jacobs in my fantasy team and the guy I was playing was seated beside me.

Spurs' new stadium is absolutely incredible. It's like a way cooler version of the Aviva.

Was there myself. Great weekend. Brother in Law caught a ball lobbed into the seats by Harry Kane. Unreal stadium in fairness.

Same here. Very enjoyable though the result and performance of my team was extremely disappointing. I guess it's that flying east for a game thing but the Bears were incredibly sluggish versus how they've looked up to now this season, defense in particular. A costly loss for da Bears I feel.

Stadium is fantastic. It looked like an NFL stadium to be honest. So easy to get in and out. Our seats were fantastic and I'd say there weren't any bad seasts. Terrible queues at the bars/stalls though which was a pain as well as the idiotic mechanism they have for filling beers.

Spurs ones were raving about this before the stadium even opened!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
The facilities and staff operating them were an absolute shambles. One of every three pumps working (they're not idiotic at all actually, they're highly logical, provided they work of course) and constantly running out of both food and beer.

Haven't decided if the video of Sam Quek heading off to get the coin for the toss minted or "Ilora" winning Raiderette of the Game (not quite sure of the rules for voting/eligibility) were my favourite worst moments of the game. One of the lads wanted to do to a designated Bears pub. We took one look at the state of the lads in it and ruled it out in about five seconds
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 14, 2019, 12:27:12 AM
The Cowboys lost to the winless jets by 2 points. Inexcusable even with Amari Cooper going off injured.

The Vikings beat the Eagles 38-20 for a convincing win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 14, 2019, 06:31:23 AM
Chargers' season has fallen apart pretty quickly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 14, 2019, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 14, 2019, 12:27:12 AM
The Cowboys lost to the winless jets by 2 points. Inexcusable even with Amari Cooper going off injured.

The Vikings beat the Eagles 38-20 for a convincing win.

Dropped Diggs from my other fantasy team during he week there.  What a great call by me... just the 40 odd points.

Mahomes and the Chiefs really seems to be struggling. The Rams offence is a shadow of last year's side.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 15, 2019, 08:15:35 AM
Refs absolutely fucked the lions last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 15, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 15, 2019, 08:15:35 AM
Refs absolutely fucked the lions last night.

Favourable calls for the Packers? I, for one, do not believe it.  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 15, 2019, 10:32:05 PM
Just watched highlights, Rodgers didn't get much help from his receivers, 3 clear touchdowns dropped by Graham, Jones & Shepherd for the INT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 16, 2019, 01:08:01 AM
Ramsey to the Rams....... 2 firsts and a fourth !!!! Complete madness..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 16, 2019, 07:57:48 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 16, 2019, 01:08:01 AM
Ramsey to the Rams....... 2 firsts and a fourth !!!! Complete madness..

Win now mode for the Rams & fck the future as they say
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 16, 2019, 08:00:55 AM
It's the Rams O that has been the problem. Don't really understand those moves, although Ramsey (if his head is right) is a clear upgrade on whatever the hell this version of Peters is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 18, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes

Shame..even speaking as a Raiders fan..he's box office
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 18, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 18, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes

Shame..even speaking as a Raiders fan..he's box office

Bad for the ABP(atriots) brigade of which I am a fully signed up member
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 18, 2019, 09:29:08 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 18, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes

Shame..even speaking as a Raiders fan..he's box office

Bad for the ABP(atriots) brigade of which I am a fully signed up member

AFC done and dusted then  :'(
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 18, 2019, 09:31:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 18, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes

Shame..even speaking as a Raiders fan..he's box office

Bad for the ABP(atriots) brigade of which I am a fully signed up member

Me too. I know it's a quirk of the system and the fact that their own division is abject but it just seems ridiculous for a reigning SB champion to have such an easy schedule. The Bills (who have a good defense, granted) are far and away the best team they've faced in their 6 games so far. They're still in preseason mode.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 18, 2019, 12:07:30 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 18, 2019, 09:31:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 18, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes

Shame..even speaking as a Raiders fan..he's box office

Bad for the ABP(atriots) brigade of which I am a fully signed up member

Me too. I know it's a quirk of the system and the fact that their own division is abject but it just seems ridiculous for a reigning SB champion to have such an easy schedule. The Bills (who have a good defense, granted) are far and away the best team they've faced in their 6 games so far. They're still in preseason mode.

I saw mentions of a 1 month layoff.. for a dislocated knee?? He'll do well to be back that quick usually it's a season ender.

Joe Ward did the same thing a couple of weeks ago and is out for 4 months... it was horrific thank god we couldn't really see Mahomes injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 18, 2019, 12:31:31 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 18, 2019, 09:31:02 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on October 18, 2019, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 18, 2019, 07:56:00 AM
Bad looking injury for Mahomes

Shame..even speaking as a Raiders fan..he's box office

Bad for the ABP(atriots) brigade of which I am a fully signed up member

Me too. I know it's a quirk of the system and the fact that their own division is abject but it just seems ridiculous for a reigning SB champion to have such an easy schedule. The Bills (who have a good defense, granted) are far and away the best team they've faced in their 6 games so far. They're still in preseason mode.

The Patriots schedule has been easy so far but it does get tougher. I don't thnk the Patriots are all that good and might struggle a bit in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 18, 2019, 09:37:20 PM
As Seanie said , the Pats are in preseason mode. True, that Defence hasn't really played anyone yet , but it's still probably the best D that Belichiks had in his time there. Gordon will get healthier , Dorset as well . They'll add a veteran WR before the trade deadline as well. They have a tough enough stretch for about 5 weeks , but I'd imagine they could go 2-3 in that stretch and still be the one seed. Good luck trying to beat them in Foxboro in January ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 19, 2019, 08:38:44 AM
I think they go better than 2-3. The Ravens aren't great and some spectacular Lamar performances are covering up significant halls that they have. Dunno what's going on with the Eagles at the minute and God knows what the hell is up with the Cowboys. I'd fancy the Pats in all three of those games.

It's the Texans that would scare me if I was in the AFC at the minute. I know they're historically unreliable but Watson (along with Wilson) is the best player in the league at the minute.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 19, 2019, 09:04:10 PM
Right now I'd rank them

1 ) Pats
2) Niners
3) Seattle
4) Houston
5) Chiefs
6)Green Bay
7)Ravens
8) Rams
9) Bears
10) Eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on October 20, 2019, 12:32:42 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 19, 2019, 09:04:10 PM
Right now I'd rank them

1 ) Pats
2) Niners
3) Seattle
4) Houston
5) Chiefs
6)Green Bay
7)Ravens
8) Rams
9) Bears
10) Eagles

Eh, what about the Saints?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 20, 2019, 12:39:58 AM
Apologies 😂😂. Would have the saints 4th ! Missed them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 20, 2019, 07:21:15 AM
I wouldn't have the rams or the Bears in there at all.

Panthers will be serious when Cam is healthy and I'd have the Colts in there too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 20, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
I wouldn't have the Rams or Eagles either. An inconsistent Vikings team took apart that Eagles Defence last week. Most points conceded all weekend I think and the Vikings offence has been no great shakes this year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 20, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
Refs continue to make twats of themselves. Deshaun Watson just made a ridiculous play to finish a TD but the refs said he was held and whistled it dead.

Stop f**king blowing plays dead you arseholes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 21, 2019, 12:34:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 20, 2019, 07:21:15 AM
I wouldn't have the rams or the Bears in there at all.

Panthers will be serious when Cam is healthy and I'd have the Colts in there too.

The Bears are taking one hell of a beating at home from the Saints. The Saints don't have Brees or Kamara or tight end Jarred Cook. The Bears since they beat the vikings and looked great haven't looked like a top team at all. The vikings on the other hand have won 3 and it will be 4 in a row on thursday are beginning to look good. Kirk Cousins is playing like a top qb too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 21, 2019, 03:44:04 AM
Hard to know where the Bears go from here. Trubisky isn't the answer long term , he just isn't unfortunately.
They're arguably the worst team in their division , the Lions are better.
Be lucky to win 7 games this season. Very impressive from the saints , Bridgewater could do a job in Chicago I think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 21, 2019, 09:27:30 AM
The Bears offense has just been total garbage and it has resulted in a good defnse becoming too stretched and now it too is breaking. Can't/won't run the ball so opposition defenses are just teeing off on a shaky Trubisky who is now reduced to staring at Allen Robinson and hoping he gets open. He has unfortunately regressed and needs to be gotten rid of. I'd trade for Mariota to try and save the season. Bears were 3-3 this time last year I believe so it can be done but the defense needs to be allowed to get off the field for a while. Hicks a big loss too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 21, 2019, 09:45:52 AM
Amazed at that Bears result.  I had made a tit of myself by texting the mates to say they are surely a good thing with all the injuries to the Saints offense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 21, 2019, 09:49:15 AM
I was an absolute genius and picked up Murray in fantasy after Kamara went down having seen what Josh Jacobs was able to do to the Hicks-less Bears D with my own eyes two weeks ago.

Of course I was an absolute coward and thought "nah that Bears D will stop him" and stuck with Melvin Gordon instead.

I'm not sure Mariota is the answer Seanie. Is he any better than Trubisky? Mariota gonna have to get paid next year too. I think the season is as good as done for the Bears and they should start thinking about what they want to do long term with the offense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 21, 2019, 09:49:15 AM
I was an absolute genius and picked up Murray in fantasy after Kamara went down having seen what Josh Jacobs was able to do to the Hicks-less Bears D with my own eyes two weeks ago.

Of course I was an absolute coward and thought "nah that Bears D will stop him" and stuck with Melvin Gordon instead.

I'm not sure Mariota is the answer Seanie. Is he any better than Trubisky? Mariota gonna have to get paid next year too. I think the season is as good as done for the Bears and they should start thinking about what they want to do long term with the offense.

I think Mariota is a good QB who has been in a shit situation all his career. He's a better QB than Goff for example and I reckon he'd succeed in the Bears offense under Nagy. More expensive but Cam Newton either perhaps? time moves on fast and when you've a decent defense you need to try and go it. I think the time to give up on Trubisky has come. He'll probably kill it next week after me saying this but I don't see him taking the Bears to the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 22, 2019, 01:04:55 PM
Another Raiders 1st round pick is away with Gareon Conley shipped off to the Texans for a 3rd round pick..that's 3 in 2 years with Mack and Cooper also moved on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 22, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
The Patriots fill their AB vacancy with Sanu.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 22, 2019, 03:16:32 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 21, 2019, 09:49:15 AM
I was an absolute genius and picked up Murray in fantasy after Kamara went down having seen what Josh Jacobs was able to do to the Hicks-less Bears D with my own eyes two weeks ago.

Of course I was an absolute coward and thought "nah that Bears D will stop him" and stuck with Melvin Gordon instead.

I'm not sure Mariota is the answer Seanie. Is he any better than Trubisky? Mariota gonna have to get paid next year too. I think the season is as good as done for the Bears and they should start thinking about what they want to do long term with the offense.

I think Mariota is a good QB who has been in a shit situation all his career. He's a better QB than Goff for example and I reckon he'd succeed in the Bears offense under Nagy. More expensive but Cam Newton either perhaps? time moves on fast and when you've a decent defense you need to try and go it. I think the time to give up on Trubisky has come. He'll probably kill it next week after me saying this but I don't see him taking the Bears to the playoffs.

I'd be very surprised if Mariota is anything more than average to below average starting quarterback for the rest of his career. He is far too conservative (his sack rate is ridiculous) and fairly injury prone to boot. The Titans have had decent defenses in his time there (including this year) and a few weapons (Derrick Henry, Delanie Walker) but he has consistently been a major limiting factor on their success (though Mularky takes some blame too).
The Bears aren't really in a position to trade for a quarterback in any case, as they're without a 1st round pick next year. IMO they'd be better rolling with Trubisky (or Daniels) the rest of the season and then looking at free agency for a QB. May be if the Bengals land the top pick they will cut Dalton, who has a higher ceiling than Mariota imo. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 22, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
I think you'd get Dalton for a 3rd rounder. It would be worth asking.

Mariota holds the ball too long. He was far more dynamic at Oregon, so maybe it is a scheme thing, but he wouldn't inspire me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 22, 2019, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 22, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
I think you'd get Dalton for a 3rd rounder. It would be worth asking.

Mariota holds the ball too long. He was far more dynamic at Oregon, so maybe it is a scheme thing, but he wouldn't inspire me.

Something tells me you could get Carr from the Raiders for a decent package at te end of the season....not sure Gruden is 100% in on him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on October 22, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
I think you'd get Dalton for a 3rd rounder. It would be worth asking.

Mariota holds the ball too long. He was far more dynamic at Oregon, so maybe it is a scheme thing, but he wouldn't inspire me.

I'm pretty convinced it is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on October 22, 2019, 09:05:14 PM
Emmanuel Sanders to the 49ers, for a third and a fourth (with a fifth coming the other way). Don't like the price but the Niners are very weak at receiver.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 22, 2019, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: Clov on October 22, 2019, 09:05:14 PM
Emmanuel Sanders to the 49ers, for a third and a fourth (with a fifth coming the other way). Don't like the price but the Niners are very weak at receiver.

Happy for Sanders. He has had to endure crap QB after crap QB there for a while now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 23, 2019, 02:59:25 AM
Seanie , to say that Marcus Mariota is better than Goff is ridiculous. They're not even close, Mariota is an extremely average QB and will be a backup somewhere next year , he's had his chance . As someone said, he's played on decent Tennessee teams , not great , but there has been and are currently a lot of teams with way less talent than the Titans. As I said earlier, the Bears should make a run at Teddy Bridgewater for next year. Andy Dalton is another backup level QB starting in the NFL. Goes to show how hard it is to actually get " the guy". AZ , if somebody gives the bengals a third rounder for Dalton they need to arm and all , clean off at the shoulder!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 23, 2019, 06:35:28 AM
Nobody is saying he's Pat Mahomes but if you don't think Dalton is one of the 32 best QBs in the NFL you're crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 23, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
Josh Gordon on IR and finished for the season

Edit - seems he is just leaving the Pats and hoping to land with another team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on October 24, 2019, 08:32:15 AM
Quote from: Minder on October 23, 2019, 10:06:45 PM
Josh Gordon on IR and finished for the season

Edit - seems he is just leaving the Pats and hoping to land with another team

I wonder is it a herbal issue?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 28, 2019, 02:13:04 AM
JJ Watt on IR for the third time in four seasons... is he worth it ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 28, 2019, 03:37:47 AM
Ok! New fresh top 10 , just in 🤪🤪

1) Pats
2) Saints
3) Niners
4) Packers
5) Chiefs
6) Vikings
7)Rams
8) Ravens
9) Colts
10 Seahawks


3 teams from the NFC west ! And Arizona will get better , tough division ....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 28, 2019, 09:10:39 AM
The Rams have moved up two spots on your list having beaten up on the Falcons and Bengals? I wouldn't have them in a top 10 at all.

Again, for me, the Texans have to be in there. Watson is just incredible.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 28, 2019, 01:46:08 PM
Agree on Watson , he is incredible. But , Watt is done for the year and their OL is a disaster, he'll be lucky to not finish the season on the IR himself.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 28, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 23, 2019, 02:59:25 AM
Seanie , to say that Marcus Mariota is better than Goff is ridiculous. They're not even close, Mariota is an extremely average QB and will be a backup somewhere next year , he's had his chance . As someone said, he's played on decent Tennessee teams , not great , but there has been and are currently a lot of teams with way less talent than the Titans. As I said earlier, the Bears should make a run at Teddy Bridgewater for next year. Andy Dalton is another backup level QB starting in the NFL. Goes to show how hard it is to actually get " the guy". AZ , if somebody gives the bengals a third rounder for Dalton they need to arm and all , clean off at the shoulder!

You clearly don't remember what Goff was like before McVay got hold of him. Mariota a far more accurate thrower and he can run too. He has just been in a woeful situation in Tennessee throughout his career. QB evaluation in the NFL is really poor.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 28, 2019, 02:27:44 PM
Good to see the return of Brees last night.  I expected them to play Bridgewater, especially with a bye week next week. What now for Teddy though? He has been quality over the last number of weeks.  Does he seek a trade or hang around for be the successor to Brees? Can he wait that long?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on October 28, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 29, 2019, 12:02:03 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 28, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on October 23, 2019, 02:59:25 AM
Seanie , to say that Marcus Mariota is better than Goff is ridiculous. They're not even close, Mariota is an extremely average QB and will be a backup somewhere next year , he's had his chance . As someone said, he's played on decent Tennessee teams , not great , but there has been and are currently a lot of teams with way less talent than the Titans. As I said earlier, the Bears should make a run at Teddy Bridgewater for next year. Andy Dalton is another backup level QB starting in the NFL. Goes to show how hard it is to actually get " the guy". AZ , if somebody gives the bengals a third rounder for Dalton they need to arm and all , clean off at the shoulder!

You clearly don't remember what Goff was like before McVay got hold of him. Mariota a far more accurate thrower and he can run too. He has just been in a woeful situation in Tennessee throughout his career. QB evaluation in the NFL is really poor.
Goff was in a far from ideal situation himself . He had Jeff Fisher his rookie year , he nearly f**king ruined him. Ryan Tannehill is an upgrade and playing better than Mariota in Tennessee, and Tannehill was ran out of Miami.
He owns a career 76-44 TD to INT ratio, and owns a 89 career passer rating , which is below the league average. There are worst QBs out there, but he's a below average NFL QB...
Goff is better Seanie imo, we shall agree to disagree.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 01, 2019, 09:00:51 PM
Josh Gordon to the Seahawks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
This could be the end of the road for Trubisky.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 03, 2019, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 03, 2019, 07:55:00 PM
This could be the end of the road for Trubisky.

And Nagy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 04, 2019, 11:36:16 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...

Good call that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 05, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...

That's why he should be sacked!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 05, 2019, 06:14:20 PM
Khalil Mack trade not looking so ridiculous now from Raiders point of view, Jacobs the RB who has been very good and Raiders getting Chicago's first rounder in 2020 which could be top 10 the way they are going.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 06, 2019, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 05, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...

That's why he should be sacked!
The QB will get the blame first , that's typically how it is , I'm not sold on Naggy either.
I still believe the Bears should have traded for Bridgewater last week. Trubiskey isn't the answer , it's hard to know what they do now. Cam Newton probably done in Carolina and some other free agent QBs will be on the market next year .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 06, 2019, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 06, 2019, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 05, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...

That's why he should be sacked!
The QB will get the blame first , that's typically how it is , I'm not sold on Naggy either.
I still believe the Bears should have traded for Bridgewater last week. Trubiskey isn't the answer , it's hard to know what they do now. Cam Newton probably done in Carolina and some other free agent QBs will be on the market next year .

Ya. I'm just sympathetic to Trubisky because there's a lot more wrong with the offense than him. They're not or they can't run the football so defenses are keying in on Trubisky. Getting rid of Howard and drafting a RB (of equal ability) made no sense with so few picks available. An extra o-line man would have made more sense. It's frustrating because this is a good roster and it will probably start to fall apart now. Maybe next year will be sh1t or bust.....could see the Bears going after Cam Newton in free agency alright which may not be the wisest either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on November 06, 2019, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2019, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 06, 2019, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 05, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...

That's why he should be sacked!
The QB will get the blame first , that's typically how it is , I'm not sold on Naggy either.
I still believe the Bears should have traded for Bridgewater last week. Trubiskey isn't the answer , it's hard to know what they do now. Cam Newton probably done in Carolina and some other free agent QBs will be on the market next year .

Ya. I'm just sympathetic to Trubisky because there's a lot more wrong with the offense than him. They're not or they can't run the football so defenses are keying in on Trubisky. Getting rid of Howard and drafting a RB (of equal ability) made no sense with so few picks available. An extra o-line man would have made more sense. It's frustrating because this is a good roster and it will probably start to fall apart now. Maybe next year will be sh1t or bust.....could see the Bears going after Cam Newton in free agency alright which may not be the wisest either.

I am rooting for Trubisky too Seanie as he seems like a dedicated fella and by all accounts is a great leader and works his ass off to try and get better but the problem is, as bad as the offensive unit has been this year with inconsistent o line, inconsistent wr's( apart from Robinson) and missed assignments in every game killing us, the fact is Trubisky has regressed badly this year and is heading towards Rex Grossman levels of bad or for the older more scared fans like me Cade McKnown levels of bad (if that can be even called a level!!).
He has 8 games left to really show something and even if he does light it up for the last 8 games I would still bring in real competition in the off season be it a vet ( Bridgewater/Mariota etc..) or a draft pick (Jake Fromm/Sam Elingher etc..) because he is nowhere near a franchise qb at all and getting worse!!
I am wiling to cut Nagy a little slack because apart from the Saints game we have been in every game this year and not blown out like the Trestman years and also the team is young and unfortunately these young guys like Floyd, James Daniels, Eddie Jackson, Anthony Miller and Roquan Smith have been very up and down so far so lets see how the season plays out. Nagy has tried to run the ball more in the last two games but the O line has been so inconsistent so far this year and was absolute trash in the first half against the Eagles. Plus Trubisky cannot process the pre snap and post snap reads quick enough for Nagy to run anything more than a bare bones offence at the moment. The Eagles had eight stacked in the box leaving their secondary in one on one situations the whole game daring Mitch to beat them from the pocket and he couldn't which is a huge problem!!
I do think Montgomery is a better running back than Howard and if we had tight ends that could actually block at all along with a consistent O line like last year you would see how much a better fit he is for this offence than Jordan Howard. I loved Howard but he just doesn't fit what Nagy wants to scheme.
On the tightends they have been muck all year in passing downs or blocking in the run game. Maybe Burton is banged up but if Shaheen doesn't pick up soon he will surely be a strong cut candidate in the off season and the Bears definitely need to draft a tightend at some stage next April!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 06, 2019, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on November 06, 2019, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 06, 2019, 11:45:01 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 06, 2019, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 05, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 04, 2019, 01:22:50 AM
Nagy is going nowhere , the bears are done probably for the season, I'd imagine they'll just play out the season now.
I'd think Freddie Kitchens is in serious trouble in Cleveland , beat agin today by a bad Denver team. They have a soft schedule the rest of the way , I think he could be gone tomorrow or Tuesday. Probably should never have gotten that job, but that's Cleveland for you I guess. Raiders have turned it around , and are actually very good offensively , but their D is brutal....
Pats and Ravens about to start , I think the Ravens could chin them tonight...

That's why he should be sacked!
The QB will get the blame first , that's typically how it is , I'm not sold on Naggy either.
I still believe the Bears should have traded for Bridgewater last week. Trubiskey isn't the answer , it's hard to know what they do now. Cam Newton probably done in Carolina and some other free agent QBs will be on the market next year .

Ya. I'm just sympathetic to Trubisky because there's a lot more wrong with the offense than him. They're not or they can't run the football so defenses are keying in on Trubisky. Getting rid of Howard and drafting a RB (of equal ability) made no sense with so few picks available. An extra o-line man would have made more sense. It's frustrating because this is a good roster and it will probably start to fall apart now. Maybe next year will be sh1t or bust.....could see the Bears going after Cam Newton in free agency alright which may not be the wisest either.

I am rooting for Trubisky too Seanie as he seems like a dedicated fella and by all accounts is a great leader and works his ass off to try and get better but the problem is, as bad as the offensive unit has been this year with inconsistent o line, inconsistent wr's( apart from Robinson) and missed assignments in every game killing us, the fact is Trubisky has regressed badly this year and is heading towards Rex Grossman levels of bad or for the older more scared fans like me Cade McKnown levels of bad (if that can be even called a level!!).
He has 8 games left to really show something and even if he does light it up for the last 8 games I would still bring in real competition in the off season be it a vet ( Bridgewater/Mariota etc..) or a draft pick (Jake Fromm/Sam Elingher etc..) because he is nowhere near a franchise qb at all and getting worse!!
I am wiling to cut Nagy a little slack because apart from the Saints game we have been in every game this year and not blown out like the Trestman years and also the team is young and unfortunately these young guys like Floyd, James Daniels, Eddie Jackson, Anthony Miller and Roquan Smith have been very up and down so far so lets see how the season plays out. Nagy has tried to run the ball more in the last two games but the O line has been so inconsistent so far this year and was absolute trash in the first half against the Eagles. Plus Trubisky cannot process the pre snap and post snap reads quick enough for Nagy to run anything more than a bare bones offence at the moment. The Eagles had eight stacked in the box leaving their secondary in one on one situations the whole game daring Mitch to beat them from the pocket and he couldn't which is a huge problem!!
I do think Montgomery is a better running back than Howard and if we had tight ends that could actually block at all along with a consistent O line like last year you would see how much a better fit he is for this offence than Jordan Howard. I loved Howard but he just doesn't fit what Nagy wants to scheme.
On the tightends they have been muck all year in passing downs or blocking in the run game. Maybe Burton is banged up but if Shaheen doesn't pick up soon he will surely be a strong cut candidate in the off season and the Bears definitely need to draft a tightend at some stage next April!!

Ya, all true. If the o-line had stayed as consistent as last year I'm sure we wouldn't be having this conversation. I think a lot of the offense is based on that and without the protection Trubisky can't cope.

Losing Akiem Hicks has hurt the defense too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 12, 2019, 01:12:15 AM
Big nfc west game tonight sf vs Seattle should be a cracker and biggest game for sf since harbaugh left
Niners by 6
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 15, 2019, 05:25:59 AM
Myles Garrett will not be playing in the NFL again for a while. What was he thinking??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 15, 2019, 09:34:58 AM
Mad stuff! 53 trying to do a bit of punching and head kicking too!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 15, 2019, 08:04:27 PM
Garrett is suspended for at least the rest of the season. Both clubs have been fined as well. He is lucky he didn't make better contact or he could be out a lot longer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 16, 2019, 10:50:54 PM
Hip fracture for Tua by the looks of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 17, 2019, 01:31:32 AM
Dislocated , out for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on November 17, 2019, 04:54:56 AM
Some comeback by the Sooners
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 17, 2019, 08:29:07 AM
What is the story with this Kaepernick workout that everyone is talking about on twitter.  Is he just putting it out there that he can actually still play?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2019, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 17, 2019, 08:29:07 AM
What is the story with this Kaepernick workout that everyone is talking about on twitter.  Is he just putting it out there that he can actually still play?

The suggestion/suspicion is that the (confidential) terms of the settlement agreed to by both parties in his collusion grievance required the NFL to facilitate his attempt to return to the NFL by holding a workout.

The NFL, being the c***ts they are, have tried to do this in the most obstructive manner possible - short notice, on a Saturday when teams are both preparing/travelling for their games and scouting college games, demanded he sign an allegedly  unusually stringent injury liability waiver, no media and refusing Kaeperknick's request to be allowed film the workout himself.

In the end, Kaeperknick basically held his own workout for reps from about eight teams, with his own film crew about an hour outside Atlanta.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 17, 2019, 11:13:21 AM
Would say Kaep is a low end starter, no way teams want the baggage and media circus that comes with a low end starter
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 17, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
The thing is, if he's signed and plays, the media circus will die away after a few weeks and will finally focus on Kap the footballer, not Kap the troublemaker activist.

I presume he plans to continue to kneel. The likes of Fox will continue to make a deal of it and I imagine Trump would continue to target him. If that's a reason to continue to sideline him, then that's the league's issue, not Kap's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 17, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 17, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
The thing is, if he's signed and plays, the media circus will die away after a few weeks and will finally focus on Kap the footballer, not Kap the troublemaker activist.

I presume he plans to continue to kneel. The likes of Fox will continue to make a deal of it and I imagine Trump would continue to target him. If that's a reason to continue to sideline him, then that's the league's issue, not Kap's.
a back up qb is not worth the circus that follows him bottom line
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 17, 2019, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 17, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 17, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
The thing is, if he's signed and plays, the media circus will die away after a few weeks and will finally focus on Kap the footballer, not Kap the troublemaker activist.

I presume he plans to continue to kneel. The likes of Fox will continue to make a deal of it and I imagine Trump would continue to target him. If that's a reason to continue to sideline him, then that's the league's issue, not Kap's.
a back up qb is not worth the circus that follows him bottom line

That's about the height of it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 18, 2019, 03:45:02 AM
The Ravens are legit , arguably the best team in the NFL currently . Jackson is something else, amazing player. Really hard to see anyone else in the AFC championship game other than the Pats or the Ravens . The chiefs have to win tomorrow night or the Raiders take over the lead in the west . The NFC is very competitive, 5 or 6 legitimate contenders .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2019, 09:12:05 AM
Quote from: Minder on November 17, 2019, 07:04:31 PM
Quote from: Gmac on November 17, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 17, 2019, 01:32:55 PM
The thing is, if he's signed and plays, the media circus will die away after a few weeks and will finally focus on Kap the footballer, not Kap the troublemaker activist.

I presume he plans to continue to kneel. The likes of Fox will continue to make a deal of it and I imagine Trump would continue to target him. If that's a reason to continue to sideline him, then that's the league's issue, not Kap's.
a back up qb is not worth the circus that follows him bottom line

That's about the height of it

Except he's not a backup QB. He should be starting in the NFL. He's better than the QB currently starting for the following teams: Miami, New York Jets, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Denver, New York Giants, Washington, Chicago, Detroit, Carolina, Tampa Bay. That's close to half the league and I personally think there are one or two more that he's better than who are looking ok due more to good scheme than their ability.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 18, 2019, 09:32:28 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 18, 2019, 03:45:02 AM
The Ravens are legit , arguably the best team in the NFL currently . Jackson is something else, amazing player. Really hard to see anyone else in the AFC championship game other than the Pats or the Ravens . The chiefs have to win tomorrow night or the Raiders take over the lead in the west . The NFC is very competitive, 5 or 6 legitimate contenders .

Would be nice to see the Ravens go to the Superbowl from the AFC.  NFC too close to call really. I'd have said the Saints were the best in the NFC until that sh*t show last week v the Falcons at the Dome.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 09:40:18 AM
I've never been a big fan of Kap (ask Puck :) ) from his college days, but he certainly should be in the league on talent alone. As Seanie says, he is better (right now) than a lot of his counterparts who are starting. However a significant number of them (Jones, Darnold e.g) have 'upside' potential, which he doesn't have at this point. He is what he is, and he is what he was when he was blackballed. If he was elite, they (the NFL) would have made it work. Imagine if Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers protested against Trump by kneeling? Would they be blackballed? Not a chance.

So he was courageous and stubborn in what he did, but I think he has to make a choice. If he will not do what this exclusive club wants, then all he can do is stand outside shouting about it. He's good enough to be in the league, but not good enough to be a massive issue everywhere he goes. It's not right that someone should have to sacrifice their principles in something like this, but it's a fact of NFL life.

I love American Football, and the NFL, but the league are a bunch of unprincipled money men.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 09:40:18 AM
I've never been a big fan of Kap (ask Puck :) ) from his college days, but he certainly should be in the league on talent alone. As Seanie says, he is better (right now) than a lot of his counterparts who are starting. However a significant number of them (Jones, Darnold e.g) have 'upside' potential, which he doesn't have at this point. He is what he is, and he is what he was when he was blackballed. If he was elite, they (the NFL) would have made it work. Imagine if Drew Brees or Aaron Rogers protested against Trump by kneeling? Would they be blackballed? Not a chance.

So he was courageous and stubborn in what he did, but I think he has to make a choice. If he will not do what this exclusive club wants, then all he can do is stand outside shouting about it. He's good enough to be in the league, but not good enough to be a massive issue everywhere he goes. It's not right that someone should have to sacrifice their principles in something like this, but it's a fact of NFL life.

I love American Football, and the NFL, but the league are a bunch of unprincipled money men.

The reason for this is obvious and sickening.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
I'm not sure if you are referring to his colour, or to the cause he is highlighting. If the former, I'd say probably Lamarr Jackson or DeShaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be blackballed either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 18, 2019, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
I'm not sure if you are referring to his colour, or to the cause he is highlighting. If the former, I'd say probably Lamarr Jackson or DeShaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be blackballed either.

They're all a lot younger than Kapernick was at the time it happened and are genuine up and coming stars of the game.

Kapernick's career also seemed to have been on a downward trajectory from 2013.

I get your point that certain black players wouldn't be blackballed but that's not to say that there isn't a racist element to the situation. The fact that Kapernick wasn't really producing on the pitch helped make the decision for teams a lot easier.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 12:44:35 PM
That's it exactly. If he white and protesting against climate change, he wouldn't be blackballed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 18, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
We need to remember Kaepernick level of play before "kneeling", he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, and that was 3/4 years ago.

The read option was no longer there for him, defenses had worked him out, it usually happens in the NFL. He was never going to be a pocket passer, at the end of his starter days the playbook was as simple as you will get. They weren't asking him to throw anything outside the numbers, all basic stuff.

That was 3/4 years ago, people think he will be better now ?? NFL teams will put up with a lot if you can play, if you can't well they won't. Next man up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 18, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
We need to remember Kaepernick level of play before "kneeling", he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, and that was 3/4 years ago.

The read option was no longer there for him, defenses had worked him out, it usually happens in the NFL. He was never going to be a pocket passer, at the end of his starter days the playbook was as simple as you will get. They weren't asking him to throw anything outside the numbers, all basic stuff.

That was 3/4 years ago, people think he will be better now ?? NFL teams will put up with a lot if you can play, if you can't well they won't. Next man up

As I said, I was never a fan, but he's better than some of the donkeys there now. Just not as good as he needs to be to make this sideshow an irrelevance. There's 32 teams in the league and all of them carry at least 2 quarterbacks, some/most have 3. There's no way he's not good enough for that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2019, 04:06:51 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 18, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
We need to remember Kaepernick level of play before "kneeling", he was benched for Blaine Gabbert, and that was 3/4 years ago.

The read option was no longer there for him, defenses had worked him out, it usually happens in the NFL. He was never going to be a pocket passer, at the end of his starter days the playbook was as simple as you will get. They weren't asking him to throw anything outside the numbers, all basic stuff.

That was 3/4 years ago, people think he will be better now ?? NFL teams will put up with a lot if you can play, if you can't well they won't. Next man up

I'm glad you brought that up. His stats from that season actually compare reasonably well with his early years. However, he was surrounded by a hot mess of a team. Think the 49ers only won one game that season. NFL coached regularly make stupid decisions when it comes to Quarterbacks and thinking Gabbert was potentially better than Kaepernick was certainly one of them. I'd love to see how Tom Brady would have performed in that team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 18, 2019, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
I'm not sure if you are referring to his colour, or to the cause he is highlighting. If the former, I'd say probably Lamarr Jackson or DeShaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be blackballed either.

Lamar and Mahomes have brilliant coaching and Watson's isn't bad. They're set up to do well. After a couple of years in the league, Kaepernick was as highly regarded as these players. I think these 3 have more ability and certainly better coaching and support personnel into the future.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 18, 2019, 04:43:34 PM
Seanie , regardless of schemes etc , he'd be a below average QB right now. He walked into the best team at the time with the Niners , yet when they're losing it ain't him? He is 3-16 in his last 19 starts ( 3 years ago) and is at best a backup . He was figured out within a year or two of entering the league. I watched the Bears last night , every snap of that game. If you're asking me is he better than Trubiskey, I wouldn't say he'd be any better, not with the offensive talent that's there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 18, 2019, 08:13:11 PM
Kaepernick was the *lowest* graded QB (PFF) in 2015 & the 6th lowest graded in 2016. Saying he was average in his final years would be very generous
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 18, 2019, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 18, 2019, 08:13:11 PM
Kaepernick was the *lowest* graded QB (PFF) in 2015 & the 6th lowest graded in 2016. Saying he was average in his final years would be very generous
Racist.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 19, 2019, 06:48:20 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 18, 2019, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 18, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
I'm not sure if you are referring to his colour, or to the cause he is highlighting. If the former, I'd say probably Lamarr Jackson or DeShaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes wouldn't be blackballed either.

Lamar and Mahomes have brilliant coaching and Watson's isn't bad. They're set up to do wel. After a couple of years in the league, Kaepernick was as highly regarded as these players. I think these 3 have more ability and certainly better coaching and support personnel into the future.

O'Brien is awful!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 20, 2019, 01:17:32 AM
Agreed , O'Brien is hardly in the top tier of NFL coaches. As for Kap ever being regarded in the same league as Watson, Jackson and Mahomes, ah lad wil ya stop. He played 6 seasons in the NFL and only once ( barely at that ) was his QB rating over the league average of 92. His career QB completion % is about 59. He came into a team that were at that time the BEST team in the NFC.  Maybe he was blackballed out of the league l but we are talking about is he good enough  to start for an NFL team . He might be better potentially than a few currently starting, but having been out of the league 3 years , and the circus that would inevitably follow him, would you want him leading your team ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 20, 2019, 12:48:18 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 20, 2019, 01:17:32 AM
Agreed , O'Brien is hardly in the top tier of NFL coaches. As for Kap ever being regarded in the same league as Watson, Jackson and Mahomes, ah lad wil ya stop. He played 6 seasons in the NFL and only once ( barely at that ) was his QB rating over the league average of 92. His career QB completion % is about 59. He came into a team that were at that time the BEST team in the NFC.  Maybe he was blackballed out of the league l but we are talking about is he good enough  to start for an NFL team . He might be better potentially than a few currently starting, but having been out of the league 3 years , and the circus that would inevitably follow him, would you want him leading your team ?

When he signed his record contract after taking the 49ers to the Superbowl and then the NFC championship game the following year he was a superstar. He has a 4-2 record in the playoff with only one game at home of those 6. I don't know how you can say the 49ers were the best in the NFC when he came into the team. The only time they won the NFC was when he was QB. They had lost the NFC Championship game the previous year. Things didn't go so well after this for many reasons but at that time Kaepernick was thought of very highly. And intersting to see you only judge him on his throwing stats.....clearly that's a bit disingenuous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 20, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
I'm a 49ers fan and probably watched most of kaepernick's games for the Niners and i would lean towards Seanie's view on Kaep.

The idea that he lost his job to Blaine Gabbert is a bit of false narrative. After starting the first half of the 2015 season with Gabbert as his back-up he went on IR after week 9 to have shoulder surgery. He had more surgery in the off-season and had reportedly lost weight and muscle mass by training camp and so Gabbert started the season. Predictably it went terrible and Kaepernick came in after a 5 or 6 weeks and played the season out. He outperformed Gabbert statistically in all categories bar sacks (a common issue with mobile QBs).

I think the main problem for Kaep in evaluating his worth as a QB is that he has a very odd career trajectory. He won the Niners starting job when Alex Smith went out with a concussion and subsequently outperformed Smith (who was having his best ever season up till that point) the rest of the year, taking the Niners to within one play of a Superbowl win. The following season the Niners went to the NFC championship and came within a Richard Sherman finger tip of reaching the Superbowl again. That NFC championship was an incredible game, one the best i've ever seen. He made some astounding plays in that game - the touchdown to Anquan Boldin over Earl Thomas in particular sticks in the mind. At that point in his career, he and Wilson were neck and neck in terms of their development and i think the comparison with were Jackson and Watson are now is valid.

This is when it starts to go wrong for him. The following season was Harbaugh's final year - Kaep played ok as i recall but that Niners team was starting to unravel with a lot of retirement, not to mention the standoff between harbaugh the front office and ownership. Kaep's final two seasons with niners were not good but as Seanie said there were mitigating circumstances - Tomsula was completely out of his depth as HC and then Chip Kelly was a busted flush by the time he landed in SF - the Niners went 2-14 and everyone got fired.

In my opinion, in footballing terms he is good enough to be in the league. In the right system his ceiling is high. The Panthers should have had a go with him when Newton went down. Tampa is another spot were he would be a significant upgrade over the starter. He'd make an excellent back-up for teams like the Texans or Ravens. If you think he is just 'not worth the hassle of the circus and attention he would bring' to paraphrase a few on here, then i think that says more about your attitude to his political cause than it does about his footballing ability. The NFL is a circus - that's the whole point of it. Decrying Kaep's activism for the unwanted attention it brings just rings hollow when you consider just how much soft power politics the NFL engages in with things like military and veterans support.   

That he is being blackballed is beyond contention - Bill Barnwell had a remarkable stat on this. Kaep was 29 years old when he last started a game. Since 1970 not one single NFL QB that started a game aged 29 failed to subsequently make it onto an NFL roster (barring gambling addiction i think).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on November 20, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
Clov I appreciate what you are saying but those last two few seasons were terrible from Kaep, and I was a fan at a stage, and you can talk about the situation he was in there are plenty of shitty situations in the NFL for a QB, it doesent mean your play regresses so badly.

When you look at his PFF stats that I mentioned the other day, and I know everyone isn't a fan of it but plenty of NFL teams use it now, *every* throw is graded, takes into account drops etc (no excuses basically) those last two seasons were abysmal. I think the boat has sailed for him, no way a player has improved after 3 seasons out of the NFL. He was very good at a time but that time has long passed.

This is from 4 years ago -

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000572076/article/niners-bench-colin-kaepernick-blaine-gabbert-to-start
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Clov on November 20, 2019, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: Minder on November 20, 2019, 06:02:59 PM
Clov I appreciate what you are saying but those last two few seasons were terrible from Kaep, and I was a fan at a stage, and you can talk about the situation he was in there are plenty of shitty situations in the NFL for a QB, it doesent mean your play regresses so badly.

When you look at his PFF stats that I mentioned the other day, and I know everyone isn't a fan of it but plenty of NFL teams use it now, *every* throw is graded, takes into account drops etc (no excuses basically) those last two seasons were abysmal. I think the boat has sailed for him, no way a player has improved after 3 seasons out of the NFL. He was very good at a time but that time has long passed.

I would concede were he to be given a chance that you might be proven right. But the problem is that he has not been given an opportunity to prove his worth one way or another - when career duds like Gabbert are still making a living in the league. Sure, he might flame out again but teams regularly invest hope and money in QB's with thinner resumes than Kaep (Case Keenam, Foles).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 21, 2019, 03:28:32 AM
By the way Clov , it's nothing to do with my personal political opinion . I didn't say that , I said that the circus following him around waiting for a misstep would be inevitable, which is a fact. I didn't say I thought this should happen, merely stating the obvious. My point is , would there be enough upside for a GM to overlook it? Would a head coach or GM or owner like the attention? He'd have plenty of supporters , but he'd also have plenty of detractors as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 21, 2019, 04:34:02 AM
All you would hear about before and after games would be is he going to kneel for the national anthem ,teams and the nfl are trying to put that in the rear view mirror, the nfl his potential employer don't want him doing that on their time so he can protest at home or stand up and play , right now kneeling is more important so he can stay at home.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 24, 2019, 11:46:05 PM
How are the Steelers in playoff position when there are 2 more teams on 6-5 as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 25, 2019, 12:57:03 AM
They own the head to head against the Colts and have a better AFC record than the Titans .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on November 25, 2019, 09:25:11 AM
Ah ok thanks for that. I'm a late late converted NFL addict.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 26, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Lamar.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 26, 2019, 04:55:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 26, 2019, 07:22:51 AM
Lamar.
kapernick 2.0 a haurbagh head coach , Greg Roman as oc 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 26, 2019, 10:49:13 PM
Ah f**k me , hope that's a joke Kap 2.0....... Lamar on a completely different level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 28, 2019, 01:00:56 PM
Kittle is running around with a broken bone in his foot. Should he not be rested for the playoffs? Is it worth the risk playing him in the hunt for number 1 seed?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 29, 2019, 12:10:39 AM
How much longer before Garrett is put out of his misery??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 29, 2019, 01:15:44 AM
Garrett shouldn't be fired until the end of the season if that is what they want.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 01:34:17 AM
His only saving grace is the division his team is playing in . 9 games will probably win the East , they'll get a home game in the playoffs possibly against the Vikings or Seahawks. He'll be fired the Monday after that game ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 29, 2019, 12:45:18 PM
Glad the Bears came through some shoddy officiating and some blown coverages to get a good win. Trubisky played well again - I think this is mostly due to the o-line at last being somewhat reasonable. Doubt 9-7 makes playoffs and can't see Bears winning out. Defense not as dominant as last year and offense has fallen back too. They should have still been able to get to 10-6 or 11-5 but lost some very bad games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
 Seanie . the Bears are a mile away from being a playoff caliber team currently? The Lions had a 3rd string rookie QB starting and without a doubt, if Stafford was healthy , the Lions would have won that game . If Stafford is healthy , I'd say the Bears are the worst team in that division. Fair play to Trubiskey, he's under pressure , but stood up when he needed to.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
I'd have this as my current top 10

1. Ravens
2. Niners
3. Patriots
4. Seahawks
5. Saints
6. Green Bay
7. Buffalo
8. Vikings
9. Chiefs
10. Houston
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 29, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
Crazy how far down the Cowboys are with their roster!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 03:48:29 PM
Agreed , underperforming, and also in arguably the worst division in football, or at least one of them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 29, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
Garrett has to go. Dak has been playing incredibly, they have the most expensive RB in history, a great o-line and a core of really good receivers, albeit have had some injuries.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 29, 2019, 05:44:28 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
Seanie . the Bears are a mile away from being a playoff caliber team currently? The Lions had a 3rd string rookie QB starting and without a doubt, if Stafford was healthy , the Lions would have won that game . If Stafford is healthy , I'd say the Bears are the worst team in that division. Fair play to Trubiskey, he's under pressure , but stood up when he needed to.

If they get Stafford back can the Bears get Akiem Hicks back? Bears defense regressed badly when Hicks got that rotten injury in London. Haven't been the same on D ever since. Were 3-1 after conceding a total of 45 points in those 4 games (10, 14, 15 and 6), including 16 total against the Packers and Vikings.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 29, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 03:07:02 PM
I'd have this as my current top 10

1. Ravens
2. Niners
3. Patriots
4. Seahawks
5. Saints
6. Green Bay
7. Buffalo
8. Vikings
9. Chiefs
10. Houston

Gets fairly weak fairly quick. Steelers defo better than some on that list, even with effectively no QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
Lol. Seriously ? Who are on that list are the Steelers better than? There isn't ONE team on that top ten that the Steelers would be close to . Name one team on it who the Steelers would start a favorite over on a neutral field? They will be lucky to win ONE of their remaining games .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 09:41:21 PM
My next 10 would be

11. Tennessee
12. Cowboys
13. Eagles
14. Colts
15. Browns
16. Steelers
17.  Rams
18. Raiders
19. Arizona
20. Jaguars
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on December 01, 2019, 12:07:57 AM
Shoot out in the Iron Bowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 03, 2019, 01:17:37 AM
It was some game Gabriel , Saban not happy with the officiating, good enough for the, !
Patriots in big trouble , right now outside of Baltimore all the decent teams seem to be in the NFC
Wouldn't be surprised if was repeat of yesterday's game between the Ravens and the Niners .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 04, 2019, 11:42:35 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on November 29, 2019, 09:36:34 PM
Lol. Seriously ? Who are on that list are the Steelers better than? There isn't ONE team on that top ten that the Steelers would be close to . Name one team on it who the Steelers would start a favorite over on a neutral field? They will be lucky to win ONE of their remaining games .

Hi!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: yewtree on December 04, 2019, 09:31:37 PM
Gonna be real close for Superbowl , all the experts on form are going for Ravens v Saints but I'm going for Patriots v 49ers.
We are already planning our annual Superbowl night in the club , and as usual I reckon The Patriots ..Tom Brady our guy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 04, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
Lol
That might be the one ! The fact that Tomlin right now is favorite to win coach of the year says it all . Today ESPN has them at 14 on their power list , up 2 spots from 16 last week. They're 18th in the odds to win the super bowl. They're playing better than their talent suggests, but please pick a team out of that top 10 from last week that they're better than ?


Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 06, 2019, 03:51:25 AM
Fair play to the Bears ! Some display so far tonight , totally outplaying the Cowboys tonight , on both sides of the ball . Trubiskey looks fantastic tonight , his confidence seems to have returned . The Cowboys are a shit show , with the amount of talent on that roster they should be way better . Still could win their division , and its possible 7-9 could win the NFC east. Garrett is most certainly a dead man walking now..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 06, 2019, 08:26:54 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
Lol
That might be the one ! The fact that Tomlin right now is favorite to win coach of the year says it all . Today ESPN has them at 14 on their power list , up 2 spots from 16 last week. They're 18th in the odds to win the super bowl. They're playing better than their talent suggests, but please pick a team out of that top 10 from last week that they're better than ?

Yeah it's almost as if coach of the year isn't automatically given to the team playing the best football.

Big Ben went down. Conner can't get healthy. JuJu can't stay healthy. He lost the best receiver of the last decade. And they're still on track for the playoffs. Tomlin fully deserves coach of the year consideration.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 06, 2019, 05:32:09 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 06, 2019, 03:51:25 AM
Fair play to the Bears ! Some display so far tonight , totally outplaying the Cowboys tonight , on both sides of the ball . Trubiskey looks fantastic tonight , his confidence seems to have returned . The Cowboys are a shit show , with the amount of talent on that roster they should be way better . Still could win their division , and its possible 7-9 could win the NFC east. Garrett is most certainly a dead man walking now..

Ya, Mitch playing much better the last few weeks and the defense improved despite a few injuries last night. Huge job to make the playoffs with 3 really tough games left that they'll probably have to win. Feel the Bears frittered away a couple of games mid season that they shouldn't have which will prove costly.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 06, 2019, 05:42:43 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 04, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
Lol
That might be the one ! The fact that Tomlin right now is favorite to win coach of the year says it all . Today ESPN has them at 14 on their power list , up 2 spots from 16 last week. They're 18th in the odds to win the super bowl. They're playing better than their talent suggests, but please pick a team out of that top 10 from last week that they're better than ?

They're 12th on NFL.com. I'd say they'd have a great chance of beating Buffalo, Minnesota, Houston and Green Bay. Possibly Chiefs too. Their defense is very good. I'd say overall they're better than Buffalo off that list. Buffalo have had a soft schedule.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 06, 2019, 10:37:49 PM
Trubisky played well? He averaged 3.6 air yards per attempt. His performance against the lions was better than last night. All this little Chicago run will do is condemn them to another year of Nagy and Mitch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 08, 2019, 05:03:48 AM
O-H-I-O (Phew!). Ohio State, Down 14-0, rallies to beat Wisconsin 34-21 to take the Big 10 championship.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 08, 2019, 09:38:53 PM
Incredible 48-46 win for the 9ers in New Orleans.

Kittle is peak Gronk levels of good.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 09, 2019, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 06, 2019, 10:37:49 PM
Trubisky played well? He averaged 3.6 air yards per attempt. His performance against the lions was better than last night. All this little Chicago run will do is condemn them to another year of Nagy and Mitch.

It wasn't too bad last year.

If you've a problem with people saying he played well you've a lot of people to have a problem with. Most people said he played well. And good luck to him after all the flak he has taken. Nagy deserves more in my opinion but both need to do better.

So the Steelers are now two wins into their rest of the season where they won't win any games!  ;D . Buffalo and at Jets next two - both winnable. Think they'll need to win them to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: declan85 on December 09, 2019, 09:47:32 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/upshot/nfl-playoff-picture.html

Excellent simulator here. Select a team, predict the results and see how every result affects that teams chances of the playoffs..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 09, 2019, 10:03:05 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 08, 2019, 09:38:53 PM
Incredible 48-46 win for the 9ers in New Orleans.

Kittle is peak Gronk levels of good.

He was a beast for that last play! Grabbing him by the face mask is just dumb.

Great game though, with both sides playing great on offence. NFC playoffs are going to be a minefield.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 09, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 09, 2019, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 06, 2019, 10:37:49 PM
Trubisky played well? He averaged 3.6 air yards per attempt. His performance against the lions was better than last night. All this little Chicago run will do is condemn them to another year of Nagy and Mitch.

It wasn't too bad last year.

If you've a problem with people saying he played well you've a lot of people to have a problem with. Most people said he played well. And good luck to him after all the flak he has taken. Nagy deserves more in my opinion but both need to do better.

So the Steelers are now two wins into their rest of the season where they won't win any games!  ;D . Buffalo and at Jets next two - both winnable. Think they'll need to win them to make the playoffs.
And your take on Marcus Mariota? Tannehill is lighting it up in Tennessee yet they didn't have any weapons ? Only the third QB in HISTORY to have 4 consecutive games with a QB rating of 130 or higher. Mariota held them back and arguably had Tannehill been there from the start of the year the Titans would be vying for a bye week in the playoffs . Marcus Mariota won't get a solid starting position again in the NFL . He'll start for someone again, but as a backup , which is his level.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Crete Boom on December 09, 2019, 09:40:38 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 09, 2019, 08:29:30 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 09, 2019, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 06, 2019, 10:37:49 PM
Trubisky played well? He averaged 3.6 air yards per attempt. His performance against the lions was better than last night. All this little Chicago run will do is condemn them to another year of Nagy and Mitch.

It wasn't too bad last year.

If you've a problem with people saying he played well you've a lot of people to have a problem with. Most people said he played well. And good luck to him after all the flak he has taken. Nagy deserves more in my opinion but both need to do better.

So the Steelers are now two wins into their rest of the season where they won't win any games!  ;D . Buffalo and at Jets next two - both winnable. Think they'll need to win them to make the playoffs.
And your take on Marcus Mariota? Tannehill is lighting it up in Tennessee yet they didn't have any weapons ? Only the third QB in HISTORY to have 4 consecutive games with a QB rating of 130 or higher. Mariota held them back and arguably had Tannehill been there from the start of the year the Titans would be vying for a bye week in the playoffs . Marcus Mariota won't get a solid starting position again in the NFL . He'll start for someone again, but as a backup , which is his level.

And your take on Tannehill at Miami? Trubisky is the first QB in NFL history to complete over 70% of his passes on 30 plus pass attempts, throw for 3 touchdown passes, rush for 50 or more yards and rush for a touchdown in one game and he did this on primtime at home against Dallas when the Bears were a 3 point home underdog!!
My point being is there are plenty of hot takes on young qb's these days outside of a Mahomes or a Manziel probably it is best to wait till their fourth or fifth year or even a new team like Tannehill before you write off a young qb! So I will wait another while yet before annoiting Tannehill or burying Trubisky or Mariota!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 10, 2019, 01:12:04 AM
Mariota has been in the league 5 years . Seanie point was that it wasn't him, it was the Titans talent and coaching around him that was the issue . That's clearly not the case.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 10, 2019, 01:14:39 AM
And where does Manziel fit into this? 🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 10, 2019, 08:57:43 AM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 10, 2019, 01:12:04 AM
Mariota has been in the league 5 years . Seanie point was that it wasn't him, it was the Titans talent and coaching around him that was the issue . That's clearly not the case.

The scheme doesn't suit his skill set and has eroded his confidence over time. Perhaps it suits Tannehill better and also - after being a disaster in Miami - he's fighting for his NFL life and just going for it. I personally think he'll regress to his mean sooner or later. Ryan Fitzpatrick goes on good runs statistically, doesn't mean he's a good QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 10, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
The scheme doesn't suit his skill set is because he isn't good enough. Tannehill wasn't in a great situation in Miami either, I,m not comparing them . You were on here saying that he was better than Tannehill , Goff , Trubiskey , Darnold etc. He clearly isn't....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 11, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on December 10, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
The scheme doesn't suit his skill set is because he isn't good enough. Tannehill wasn't in a great situation in Miami either, I,m not comparing them . You were on here saying that he was better than Tannehill , Goff , Trubiskey , Darnold etc. He clearly isn't....

He's extremely accurate and throws very few interceptable passes. Can also run well. I absolutely stand over what I said about him and hope he gets the chance next year to prove it.

Miami brough Tannehill's college head coach in as offensive coordinator when he signed. They at least tried to help their QB.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 17, 2019, 01:02:06 AM
Horrible loss for the Niners yesterday , knocks them all the way back down to the 5 seed , they have a chance to get it back in Seattle in 2 weeks . Steelers and Buffalo are definitely 2 elite defenses , Steelers just a little limited offensively. Patriots defense keeping them in touch , can't see them having enough to win it all again , but you know how that goes !
Josh Gordon busted again , I'd imagine that'll be it for him in the NFL , sad , but there's obviously something seriously wrong with him , football probably the least of his worries.

Ravens
Saints
Seahawks
Niners
Packers
Patriots
Vikings
Buffalo
Cowboys
Houston
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on December 17, 2019, 06:10:47 AM
On Monday Night Football this week, 40-year old Drew Brees passed Peyton Manning in the NFL all-time touchdown passes list (540 to 539).  Mind you, Tom Brady lurking at 538.

In the same game Brees also broke the single-game passing % completion rate, completing 29 of 30 passes (96.7%).   The old record was Philip Rivers getting 28 of 29 (96.6%).  The NFL round to the first decimal place by the way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 17, 2019, 09:18:07 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on December 17, 2019, 06:10:47 AM
On Monday Night Football this week, 40-year old Drew Brees passed Peyton Manning in the NFL all-time touchdown passes list (540 to 539).  Mind you, Tom Brady lurking at 538.

In the same game Brees also broke the single-game passing % completion rate, completing 29 of 30 passes (96.7%).   The old record was Philip Rivers getting 28 of 29 (96.6%).  The NFL round to the first decimal place by the way.

He has actually improved over the season, with the injury having an impact I suppose. He needs another ring before retirement.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 22, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
The vikings locked up the last wildcard spot in the NFC last night, with a 49ers victory over the rams. The vikings still have a slim chance of winning the nfc north if they win their last 2 over the Packers and bears and the packers lose to Detroit.

The Patriots won the afc east with a victory over the bills.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 23, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
That surely finally has to be the end of Jason Garrett in Dallas. For that offense to finish 8-8, at best, is an absolute embarrassment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 23, 2019, 12:19:41 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 22, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
The vikings locked up the last wildcard spot in the NFC last night, with a 49ers victory over the rams. The vikings still have a slim chance of winning the nfc north if they win their last 2 over the Packers and bears and the packers lose to Detroit.

The Patriots won the afc east with a victory over the bills.

Pats/Bills was a good game. Patriots were a little better than they have been recently and it was just about enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 24, 2019, 10:55:20 PM
That's the best the Patriots have looked from probably week 3 . Finally able to run the ball a bit , they're getting better, no one will want to go in there to play them . Still can't see them beating the Ravens on the road. Kansas City are much improved defensively, and think will give the Ravens all they want should they meet on the playoffs . Steelers are in trouble , the Ravens are sitting most of their starters . The Titans should beat the Texans who are already in .
The NFC will be tough . Seattle in big trouble , stuffed at home to the Cardinals on Sunday , all three RBs on IR . Signed Marshawn Lynch today !!  Niners also banged up , but getting healthier. The Packers are limited I think outside it Davante Adams and the Vikings looked very one dimensional without Darvin Cook.
The Saints for me are probably the best team in the NFC at the moment .
1) Ravens
2)Saints
3 Niners
4) Chiefs
5) Patriots
6) Packers
7) Vikings
8) seahawks
9) Houston
10) Buffalo
11) Titans
12) Eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 28, 2019, 10:38:30 PM
More than 9 mins left in the second quarter of the Peach Bowl. Burrow has thrown 5 TDs.

And he gets to be a Bengal.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 28, 2019, 11:36:13 PM
403 yards and 7TDs in the first half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on December 28, 2019, 11:56:31 PM
And he never got a start at Ohio State. Bet he'd love a crack at the Buckeyes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on December 30, 2019, 04:25:35 PM
Patriots shit the bed yesterday, wouldn't be surprised if the Titans beat them in Foxboro on Saturday . Niners and Seattle was some finish . Great game . Pat Shurmur and Freddie both gone as expected , Jason Garrett will be gone as well most likely .
I can see Brady walking this year , he should retire . He won't though. Belichick and Kraft didn't do enough to help him, that's a fact.  Brady is taking less money for what ? To play with undrafted rookies...Could see him and McDaniels both going to the Chargers should Anthony Lynn get roaded, which he should. Rumors of McDaniels to the Browns , he'd be crazy to go near Baker and the drama at that club.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Does anyone know roughly when the Ice Hockey season starts? Going to be over in America and want to go to a game - never got the chance last time I was over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 03, 2020, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Does anyone know roughly when the Ice Hockey season starts? Going to be over in America and want to go to a game - never got the chance last time I was over.

Regular Season is from October to April then playoffs and Stanley Cup Finals May/June.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 03, 2020, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Does anyone know roughly when the Ice Hockey season starts? Going to be over in America and want to go to a game - never got the chance last time I was over.

Regular Season is from October to April then playoffs and Stanley Cup Finals May/June.

Thanks SC - I take it the baseball is over by then?
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 03, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
I was at an LA Kings v New York Rangers hockey game in LA at the start of December. It is a good show but tickets are expensive enough.
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Post by: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 03:04:35 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 03, 2020, 02:15:57 PM
I was at an LA Kings v New York Rangers hockey game in LA at the start of December. It is a good show but tickets are expensive enough.

They are quite expensive but I think there is value for money in it having gone to some games in Coventry and Belfast. I had tickets to Maple Leafs vs Penguins a few years ago on holiday with the then girlfriend, she fell ill and missed it.

Not missing a game this time though. Planning my trip over around an Ice Hockey game and Basketball. Shame there is no MLB games on in October.
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Post by: screenexile on January 03, 2020, 03:08:44 PM
Quote from: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 03, 2020, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: Solo_run on January 03, 2020, 10:45:13 AM
Does anyone know roughly when the Ice Hockey season starts? Going to be over in America and want to go to a game - never got the chance last time I was over.

Regular Season is from October to April then playoffs and Stanley Cup Finals May/June.

Thanks SC - I take it the baseball is over by then?

No baseball should be in full swing anytime I've been in Toronto April/May there's only ever baseball on as the Stanley Cup and NBA have been in playoff mode without Toronto there!!

Just checked and baseball season begins in March... it's shite though!
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2020, 12:43:37 AM
what a nuts 4th quarter
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Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2020, 12:54:05 AM
Josh Allen is just so much fun, through the good and the bad. That inexplicable lateral was mental too see.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2020, 01:14:12 AM
Bills gonna Bill
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Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2020, 02:47:06 AM
Derrick Henry is a truck.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2020, 04:21:31 AM
Oh Tom!!!!!
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Post by: cadhlancian on January 05, 2020, 05:15:55 AM
f**k all to do with Tom Gabriel. Zero weapons . He will walk this year , 2 year rental for a team with skill players and a good OL..
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Post by: magpie seanie on January 05, 2020, 09:35:28 AM
Great to see the Patriots out. A breath of fresh air. Not being able to stop the run will hurt them badly. Tannehill hadn't to do anything to beat them. Houston woke up just in time against a committed and well coached Bills. Texans have much better players though and it told eventually. JJ Watt - some man all the same. Hard to see either of last night's winners repeating the trick next week though.
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Post by: Bord na Mona man on January 05, 2020, 12:14:37 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 05, 2020, 05:15:55 AM
f**k all to do with Tom Gabriel. Zero weapons . He will walk this year , 2 year rental for a team with skill players and a good OL..
Earlier in the season, there was the possibility of having Antonio Brown, Josh Gordon and maybe even Gronk on board.
By the end they couldn't get it done from 1 yard with 3 running attempts.


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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 05, 2020, 06:20:26 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on January 05, 2020, 05:15:55 AM
f**k all to do with Tom Gabriel. Zero weapons . He will walk this year , 2 year rental for a team with skill players and a good OL..

So Tom didn't throw the INT that prompted my post?

Good to know
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 05, 2020, 08:16:15 PM
Vikings 20-10 up on the saints coming to the end of the third quarter. It would be a big upset if they hold on.
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Post by: David McKeown on January 05, 2020, 09:27:37 PM
Wow.  Its like the Vikings are the Saint's Kryptonite in the last three years.
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Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
Why would you not review that Rudolph catch and then confirm the call? It's the Saints ffs! Don't think there was enough to overturn it but by not even choosing to review it just opens up possibility of accusations of bias.
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Post by: screenexile on January 05, 2020, 09:31:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 05, 2020, 09:27:48 PM
Why would you not review that Rudolph catch and then confirm the call? It's the Saints ffs! Don't think there was enough to overturn it but by not even choosing to review it just opens up possibility of accusations of bias.

I thought all scoring plays were reviewed??
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Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2020, 09:33:53 PM
The scoring play, the catch, is auto reviewed. Caught, two feet in bounds etc.

The decision not to call OPI isn't.
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Post by: TabClear on January 06, 2020, 07:12:07 AM
Massive blow to Eagles losing Wentz so early but Seahawks deserving winners. I fancy Minnesota to put it up to the niners next week.

I love Wildcard weekend, usually throws up soe exciting matches and this did not disappoint. Texans/Bills game was a cracker. Just shows that no matter what plays are called on the sideline it still usually comes down to the star names to change the game, Watt/Watson and Hopkins. JJ Watt is an absolute legend, if it were not for his injury troubles over the last few years I firmly believe he would be talked about as the greatest defensive player of all time.

Special shout out for Taysom Hill, some match to end up on the losing side! Its great watching him in the game, you never know what is coming up.
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 06, 2020, 09:20:41 AM
Great performance from the vikings last night to take out the super bowl contender Saints. I am a vikings fan and I thought they had no chance agsinst New Orleans.

In the other game the Eagles must be fuming that their star quarterback got taken out by a piece of foul play by Clowney. The game was quite close in the end and Wentz being healthy for the duration of the game could have made all the difference.

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Post by: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Watt coming back is an incredible story and his sack, in hindsight, ended upchanging the game, but listening to Tessitore and that absolute moron Booger bang on about him, you'd have thought he was putting in the single greatest defensive performance of all time
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Post by: magpie seanie on January 06, 2020, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Watt coming back is an incredible story and his sack, in hindsight, ended upchanging the game, but listening to Tessitore and that absolute moron Booger bang on about him, you'd have thought he was putting in the single greatest defensive performance of all time

It'ds hard to believe these two but especially Booger get paid to commentate. So many times they say stuff that is clearly the oppositie of what has happened before their eyes. Utterly clueless.

That's the only negative note on a great weekend of games. Playoffs are just that cut above the regular season. Hard to see past the rested home teams next weekend - I think the Packers will be delighted with not having to face the Saints.
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Post by: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:50:42 AM
Booger called for a spike on 4th down on one of the Bills final drives ffs.
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Post by: AZOffaly on January 06, 2020, 10:01:17 AM
Booger is some lala alright.
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Post by: lurganblue on January 06, 2020, 10:07:01 AM
Quote from: TabClear on January 06, 2020, 07:12:07 AM
Massive blow to Eagles losing Wentz so early but Seahawks deserving winners. I fancy Minnesota to put it up to the niners next week.

I love Wildcard weekend, usually throws up soe exciting matches and this did not disappoint. Texans/Bills game was a cracker. Just shows that no matter what plays are called on the sideline it still usually comes down to the star names to change the game, Watt/Watson and Hopkins. JJ Watt is an absolute legend, if it were not for his injury troubles over the last few years I firmly believe he would be talked about as the greatest defensive player of all time.

Special shout out for Taysom Hill, some match to end up on the losing side! Its great watching him in the game, you never know what is coming up.

The Brees fumble completely ruined his great run beforehand too.

Truth be told the Vikings were the better team on the night.  No complaints.  Ever since the Saints lost at home to the Falcons a few weeks ago I knew that they were weak and wouldn't win the lot.
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Post by: magpie seanie on January 06, 2020, 11:26:47 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:50:42 AM
Booger called for a spike on 4th down on one of the Bills final drives ffs.

He did, I remember that.
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Post by: dublin7 on January 06, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 06, 2020, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Watt coming back is an incredible story and his sack, in hindsight, ended upchanging the game, but listening to Tessitore and that absolute moron Booger bang on about him, you'd have thought he was putting in the single greatest defensive performance of all time

It'ds hard to believe these two but especially Booger get paid to commentate. So many times they say stuff that is clearly the oppositie of what has happened before their eyes. Utterly clueless.

That's the only negative note on a great weekend of games. Playoffs are just that cut above the regular season. Hard to see past the rested home teams next weekend - I think the Packers will be delighted with not having to face the Saints.

Hard to believe Packers finished the season with a 13-3 record. Personally think their record is more a reflection of their opponents than their own strength. They were blown away by the 49ers and Ravens in the regular season and only beat the chiefs at the start of the season with a late touchdown when Matt Moore was the Chief's QB.

Wentz leaving the game cost the Eagles any chance of winning the game. Can't believe Clowney wasn't flagged and/or ejected. Dangerous cheap shot, and not the 1st time time he's gone in late like that on a QB.

Based on form it's hard to see past AFC championship game between Ravens & Chiefs, which should be a cracker.

49ers with home stadium advantage should win out the NFC


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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 06, 2020, 03:56:51 PM
Mike McCarthy in next at Jerryworld
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Post by: Minder on January 06, 2020, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 06, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 06, 2020, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Watt coming back is an incredible story and his sack, in hindsight, ended upchanging the game, but listening to Tessitore and that absolute moron Booger bang on about him, you'd have thought he was putting in the single greatest defensive performance of all time

It'ds hard to believe these two but especially Booger get paid to commentate. So many times they say stuff that is clearly the oppositie of what has happened before their eyes. Utterly clueless.

That's the only negative note on a great weekend of games. Playoffs are just that cut above the regular season. Hard to see past the rested home teams next weekend - I think the Packers will be delighted with not having to face the Saints.

Hard to believe Packers finished the season with a 13-3 record. Personally think their record is more a reflection of their opponents than their own strength. They were blown away by the 49ers and Ravens in the regular season and only beat the chiefs at the start of the season with a late touchdown when Matt Moore was the Chief's QB.

Wentz leaving the game cost the Eagles any chance of winning the game. Can't believe Clowney wasn't flagged and/or ejected. Dangerous cheap shot, and not the 1st time time he's gone in late like that on a QB.

Based on form it's hard to see past AFC championship game between Ravens & Chiefs, which should be a cracker.

49ers with home stadium advantage should win out the NFC

Packers have been very inconsistent on offense this year, and Rodgers in particular. Mind you they have a D and a run game this year that they haven't had in the past few years so Rodgers doesent have to drag they team the way he has had to but if he gets hot they could beat anyone.
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Post by: oakleaf93 on January 06, 2020, 07:03:40 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on January 06, 2020, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 06, 2020, 09:40:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 06, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Watt coming back is an incredible story and his sack, in hindsight, ended upchanging the game, but listening to Tessitore and that absolute moron Booger bang on about him, you'd have thought he was putting in the single greatest defensive performance of all time

It'ds hard to believe these two but especially Booger get paid to commentate. So many times they say stuff that is clearly the oppositie of what has happened before their eyes. Utterly clueless.

That's the only negative note on a great weekend of games. Playoffs are just that cut above the regular season. Hard to see past the rested home teams next weekend - I think the Packers will be delighted with not having to face the Saints.

Hard to believe Packers finished the season with a 13-3 record. Personally think their record is more a reflection of their opponents than their own strength. They were blown away by the 49ers and Ravens in the regular season and only beat the chiefs at the start of the season with a late touchdown when Matt Moore was the Chief's QB.

Wentz leaving the game cost the Eagles any chance of winning the game. Can't believe Clowney wasn't flagged and/or ejected. Dangerous cheap shot, and not the 1st time time he's gone in late like that on a QB.

Based on form it's hard to see past AFC championship game between Ravens & Chiefs, which should be a cracker.

49ers with home stadium advantage should win out the NFC
Packers never played the Ravens. They also beat the Vikings home and away, the vikings didn't look too shabby last night. The packers have been far from spectacular but they are winning which is all that matters. Can't see them winning in San Francisco right enough
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Post by: dublin7 on January 06, 2020, 07:31:12 PM
Sorry you're right. It was preseason Ravens beat the Packers. Packers to reliant on a Adams at WR and their defence is very inconsistent.
Dalvin Cook missed the last game v the Packers and without him Vikings have to rely on Kirk Cousins, which didn't work out to well previously. Fair play to Cousins last night, didn't think he had it in him. 49ers defence is alot stronger than the saints though so could be a long night for Cousins
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Post by: Gmac on January 11, 2020, 04:08:13 AM
Just got a couple of very expensive nose bleed seats for 9ers  Vikings tomorrow afternoon,looking forward to my first playoff game in a long time and hopefully an sf win .
9ers by 10
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 11, 2020, 08:46:30 AM
It should be a 49ers victory. The vikings have suffered losses in the defensive backfield, but you never know the Vikings have nothing to lose.
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Post by: Hound on January 11, 2020, 11:11:58 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 11, 2020, 04:08:13 AM
Just got a couple of very expensive nose bleed seats for 9ers  Vikings tomorrow afternoon,looking forward to my first playoff game in a long time and hopefully an sf win .
9ers by 10
out of interest, what's the face value of those tickets?
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Post by: Gmac on January 11, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Hound on January 11, 2020, 11:11:58 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 11, 2020, 04:08:13 AM
Just got a couple of very expensive nose bleed seats for 9ers  Vikings tomorrow afternoon,looking forward to my first playoff game in a long time and hopefully an sf win .
9ers by 10
out of interest, what's the face value of those tickets?
i don't know I bought from Ticketmaster and is an instant download with only row and seat info , I would guess $100
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Post by: gallsman on January 12, 2020, 12:39:52 AM
9ers D looked like it benefited from the rest.
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Post by: gallsman on January 12, 2020, 08:32:28 AM
Titans beating the Ravens is incredible. Henry is unstoppable right now
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 08:41:42 PM
The Texans are 21-0 up on the Chiefs early in the game in what is beginning to look like an upset in Arrowhead.
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 09:24:13 PM
A crazy game. Texans out to a 24-0 lead and in no time at all after that it is 24-21. The Chiefs have all the momentum now.
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Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 09:52:21 PM
Tame affair so far, hope there's more action in the 2nd half..... :o
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 11:49:02 PM
The Chiefs win out 51-31 after trailing 24-0 after about one quarter. They face the Titans in the AFC championship game.
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Post by: TabClear on January 13, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 11:49:02 PM
The Chiefs win out 51-31 after trailing 24-0 after about one quarter. They face the Titans in the AFC championship game.

Incredible game. Mahomes is great to watch.

As an aside I watched the 49ers game highlights on Sky yesterday on their "Highlights" show. Absolute rubbish. They showed the Samuel "fumble" but then cut away and never showed it being overturned and they never showed the Sherman interception. Both crucial moments in the game. Not sure who they had editing it but it was hard watching.
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Post by: lurganblue on January 13, 2020, 09:43:43 AM
Kelce v Kittle would be an interesting Superbowl
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Post by: Taylor on January 13, 2020, 10:29:33 AM
A brilliant weekend of playoff games.

With Mahomes in this form it is the Chiefs to lose.

The only team with a hope of stopping them would be the 49ers IMHO
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Post by: Capt Pat on January 13, 2020, 07:24:51 PM
True enough, but I look forward to seeing how the Chiefs defence cope with Derek Henry in the AFC Championship game before they get to the superbowl. The Chiefs run defence is supposedly not that good. The Ravens with a strong defence couldn't cope with Henry.
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Post by: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 13, 2020, 07:24:51 PM
True enough, but I look forward to seeing how the Chiefs defence cope with Derek Henry in the AFC Championship game before they get to the superbowl. The Chiefs run defence is supposedly not that good. The Ravens with a strong defence couldn't cope with Henry.

If they put up 50 points though I don't think it'll matter.  If offense gets around 30 then it will be in the melting pot and it will be great viewing to see how Henry goes at that D.  They didn't hold up very well to the Patriots run game in the playoffs last year.
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Post by: Minder on January 14, 2020, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 13, 2020, 07:24:51 PM
True enough, but I look forward to seeing how the Chiefs defence cope with Derek Henry in the AFC Championship game before they get to the superbowl. The Chiefs run defence is supposedly not that good. The Ravens with a strong defence couldn't cope with Henry.

If they put up 50 points though I don't think it'll matter.  If offense gets around 30 then it will be in the melting pot and it will be great viewing to see how Henry goes at that D.  They didn't hold up very well to the Patriots run game in the playoffs last year.

Yeah if KC get out to a fast start Henry won't be as much of a factor as they will abandon the run, the Chiefs just have too many weapons & I would have fancied them against the Ravens in any event
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Post by: AZOffaly on January 14, 2020, 09:56:01 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 09:15:35 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 13, 2020, 07:24:51 PM
True enough, but I look forward to seeing how the Chiefs defence cope with Derek Henry in the AFC Championship game before they get to the superbowl. The Chiefs run defence is supposedly not that good. The Ravens with a strong defence couldn't cope with Henry.

If they put up 50 points though I don't think it'll matter.  If offense gets around 30 then it will be in the melting pot and it will be great viewing to see how Henry goes at that D.  They didn't hold up very well to the Patriots run game in the playoffs last year.

If Jones is out for KC again, I think Henry will run all over them But as you say, if Mahomes throws all over the gaff, they won't be able to run the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
So Joe Burrow wrapped up the greatest individual season in college football history and now gets to go and play for the Bengals.
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Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
Also, Henry ran all over the Pats (who admittedly have a much better D) and they still only put up 14 points of offense. Henry alone won't be enough for the Titans.
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Post by: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
So Joe Burrow wrapped up the greatest individual season in college football history and now gets to go and play for the Bengals.

Big Saints fan too. Shame
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Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2020, 11:39:40 AM
Surely KC must make Tannehill beat them? I know Henry is a huge man but if he doesn't get space he can't do anything.
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Post by: magpie seanie on January 14, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
So Joe Burrow wrapped up the greatest individual season in college football history and now gets to go and play for the Bengals.

Big Saints fan too. Shame

How so? He grew up in Athens, Ohio.
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Post by: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 14, 2020, 10:18:44 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 14, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
So Joe Burrow wrapped up the greatest individual season in college football history and now gets to go and play for the Bengals.

Big Saints fan too. Shame

How so? He grew up in Athens, Ohio.

He's quoted on the Saints page while speaking to Brees saying,  "You were my idol growing up.  I'm a Saints fan because of you."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 14, 2020, 11:39:40 AM
Surely KC must make Tannehill beat them? I know Henry is a huge man but if he doesn't get space he can't do anything.

Not really true - two thirds of his rushes against Baltimore were into a stacked box. He's just immense at breaking tackles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2020, 08:09:32 AM
Luke Kuechly retires at 28. Smart man.
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Post by: Minder on January 15, 2020, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2020, 08:09:32 AM
Luke Kuechly retires at 28. Smart man.

Protecting his mentals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 15, 2020, 11:13:45 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2020, 08:09:32 AM
Luke Kuechly retires at 28. Smart man.

Great player. One of the best in his position over the last few years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 15, 2020, 11:36:07 AM
Quote from: Minder on January 15, 2020, 10:45:01 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2020, 08:09:32 AM
Luke Kuechly retires at 28. Smart man.

Protecting his mentals

The game is defo gonna go like this I think. More awareness will lead people to try and get out before serious damage is done. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 18, 2020, 02:55:48 PM
Big game locally here this weekend with 49ers to win not by the blowout of last time but by at least 10
Other game will be tighter than expected I think but chiefs should pull through by 4
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Boycey on January 19, 2020, 09:32:11 PM
Mahomes is just insane...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 19, 2020, 11:29:19 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 19, 2020, 09:32:11 PM
Mahomes is just insane...
That's not fair. I think he's just excited
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 20, 2020, 01:12:53 AM
Game over in Santa Clara
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 20, 2020, 01:46:10 AM
Reckon niners will rush the next play! Haha
GB know they are going to run it, all run attempts in the last series.
C'on the Faithful!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 20, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
looking forward to the Superbowl now. Best defense against best offense in my opinion. Should be great watching. The fact its two teams with  limited recent Superbowl experience will be interesting.

Expect the Chiefs to win in a come from behind victory again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 20, 2020, 02:38:59 PM
Quote from: TabClear on January 20, 2020, 08:53:22 AM
looking forward to the Superbowl now. Best defense against best offense in my opinion. Should be great watching. The fact its two teams with  limited recent Superbowl experience will be interesting.

Expect the Chiefs to win in a come from behind victory again.

Definitely an exciting Superbowl ahead.  Will Bosa et al be able to put pressure on Mahomes?  Can that Chiefs D stop the run? Kittle v Kelce. Class.

The overall rounded team for me is the 49ers so that's who I would go for. Just.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 20, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
49ers should be favourites for this. They beat the Packers easily using just the run game. They still have Kittle and others in reserve in the passing game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 20, 2020, 11:02:49 PM
Chiefs minus 1.5..
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Post by: dec on January 22, 2020, 10:30:00 PM
Eli Manning to announce his retirement on Friday

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28540028/sources-eli-manning-announce-retirement-friday-16-nfl-seasons
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 23, 2020, 09:04:07 AM
The though of Garrett must have pushed him over the edge.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 26, 2020, 07:53:03 PM
RIP Kobe
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Post by: Muck Savage on January 26, 2020, 08:30:59 PM
 RIP Mamba. Prayers with his Wife and Daughters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on January 27, 2020, 02:42:28 AM
Daughter among the dead as well , heartbreaking stuff as well . Nine total fatalities, literally just watched an image of the chopper dropping from the sky , very hard to watch ..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 27, 2020, 07:39:50 AM
There's no footage of the chopper crashing. People on social media are posting clips of a crash in UAE in 2018.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on January 27, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Ewan McKenna being Ewan McKenna straight in with the rapist case against Bryant, you could have predicted it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 27, 2020, 11:18:55 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 27, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Ewan McKenna being Ewan McKenna straight in with the rapist case against Bryant, you could have predicted it

You don't think it should be brought up?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Christmas Lights on January 27, 2020, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 27, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Ewan McKenna being Ewan McKenna straight in with the rapist case against Bryant, you could have predicted it

Hes right though, people just seem to give him a pardon on the rape because of who is he.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 27, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 27, 2020, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 27, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Ewan McKenna being Ewan McKenna straight in with the rapist case against Bryant, you could have predicted it

Hes right though, people just seem to give him a pardon on the rape because of who is he.

But he is more than happy to make money from a book on McGregor.......
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on January 27, 2020, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 27, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
Quote from: Christmas Lights on January 27, 2020, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 27, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Ewan McKenna being Ewan McKenna straight in with the rapist case against Bryant, you could have predicted it

Hes right though, people just seem to give him a pardon on the rape because of who is he.

But he is more than happy to make money from a book on McGregor.......

Most people will know about the rape case, it's just that when something happens he seems to take the opposite "take" just to get noticed. You could set your clock by it
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 02, 2020, 07:23:48 PM
Should be a great super bowl 9ers defense versus chiefs offense hopefully 9ers can get the lead early and hold on in the fourth quarter 9ers by 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 02, 2020, 11:21:28 PM
I am going with the 49ers as well. They are the more complete team imho.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 02, 2020, 11:23:44 PM
Niners by a TD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 02, 2020, 11:34:25 PM
Mahomes too good KC to take it.

f**k I forgot how much shite you have to go through for this!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on February 03, 2020, 12:08:44 AM
Going with KC because Kelce is from Cleveland Hts and played on same youth soccer team as some of the kids I taught.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 03, 2020, 12:40:50 AM
Shaping up brilliantly!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2020, 01:30:27 AM
A lot of crotch in that half time show  :o ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 03, 2020, 01:56:23 AM
Debo having an MVP type game!
C'on the Niners!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 03, 2020, 02:05:51 AM
49ers are getting ahead 20-10. Can Mahomes catch them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2020, 02:17:44 AM
Not with throws like that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 03, 2020, 02:26:05 AM
Too many Niner games went to the last play this season, they just don't believe in making it easy for the fans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 03, 2020, 02:36:58 AM
Boom!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 03, 2020, 02:50:24 AM
Huge finish coming exactly what you want from a Super Bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 03, 2020, 02:51:56 AM
Jimmy G don't got it I feel
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 03, 2020, 03:04:40 AM
Mahomes is now 5-0 when trailing by 10 this year  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 03, 2020, 03:07:11 AM
Been saying all year here that Jimmy G is not good enough, been behind a good O line and a number of weapons not to mention the D they have. When he's under pressure just not good enough, number of missed plays and open players.
Gutted here. Very silent house now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on February 03, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
Delighted the Chiefs won it, especially for Andy Reid who gets a lot of unwarranted slights on his ability due to not having a SB win. That's put to bed now. Garoppolo is a bang average QB. He couldn't do it when the 49ers were forced to ask him to do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 03, 2020, 10:36:37 AM
Mahomes is something else.
The 49ers D looked to have his measure early on but when the chips were down in the last quarter he delivered.

Agree with the sentiments on Jimmy G - decidedly average and you could see Shanahan knows he as to go to the run game to guarantee any sort of offensive results
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 04, 2020, 03:32:47 PM
Jimmy g and shanahan don't come out looking good after that finish , 9ers d just wore down at end and couldn't hold up anymore, I think 9ers lost it more than Mahomes won it , not running ball was terrible decision by Kyle
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on February 18, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 25, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Notre Dame will play Navy on August 29th 2020 at the Aviva.

Game will have a 7pm kickoff - Dublin time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: andoireabu on February 18, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 18, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 25, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Notre Dame will play Navy on August 29th 2020 at the Aviva.

Game will have a 7pm kickoff - Dublin time.

Anyone ever been to this? Tickets on ticket master are ~€560. Would that be right?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on February 18, 2020, 10:27:21 PM
Quote from: andoireabu on February 18, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on February 18, 2020, 08:48:06 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on October 25, 2018, 04:44:29 PM
Notre Dame will play Navy on August 29th 2020 at the Aviva.

Game will have a 7pm kickoff - Dublin time.

Anyone ever been to this? Tickets on ticket master are ~€560. Would that be right?

As I understand it the tickets currently available are hospitality tickets only. The normal tickets go on sale here on March 20 and in the US before that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 19, 2020, 12:44:17 AM
There was a lot of hype last time about the price of tickets being really high on places like gum tree. Come match day I picked up a ticket for the game at face value after no time looking for one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 26, 2020, 11:29:38 PM
There is a sports discussion program on ESPN everyday at 5 called Around the Horn.

Today they had not one but two people on wearing ashes.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERu-2yIXYAA146m?format=jpg)

The guy in the centre, the host Tony Reali wears ashes every year on Ash Wednesday
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on March 12, 2020, 01:42:56 AM
NBA suspends season until further notice
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 12, 2020, 01:53:45 AM
Statement coming from the NHL tonight also.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on March 12, 2020, 02:38:34 AM
Would imagine MLB will be under serious pressure to delay opening day and games going forward ...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 12, 2020, 03:18:52 PM
Great job Rudy Gobert

QuoteJazz star Donovan Mitchell has tested positive for the coronavirus, league sources tell ESPN. Jazz players privately say that Rudy Gobert had been careless in the locker room touching other players and their belongings. Now a Jazz teammate has tested positive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 12, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
March Madness gone as well now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 12, 2020, 09:26:02 PM
Quote from: cadhlancian on March 12, 2020, 02:38:34 AM
Would imagine MLB will be under serious pressure to delay opening day and games going forward ...

Opening day has been delayed by 2 weeks.

I am still hoping this virus won't cause the nfl draft to be delayed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 16, 2020, 06:04:10 PM
Bill O'Brien is trading away DeAndre Hopkins for the ghost of former running back David Johnson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on March 16, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 16, 2020, 06:04:10 PM
Bill O'Brien is trading away DeAndre Hopkins for the ghost of former running back David Johnson.

Even if Johnson returns to the form of a few years back (a huge "if"), this is crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on March 16, 2020, 10:19:22 PM
This is nuts!  But the Browns pick up TE Austin Hooper. Great move.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 17, 2020, 02:12:00 AM
The Texans also get a second round pick in the Hopkins trade. It still doesn't make sense though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 17, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
Brady gone in New England!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on March 17, 2020, 02:12:26 PM
Vikings trade Diggs and now this. Bonkers news day when you consider what else is going on
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 17, 2020, 03:17:32 PM
Cam Newton is no longer wanted by the Panthers. They have given him permission to seek a trade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 17, 2020, 04:42:01 PM
The Panthers are now looking to sign Teddy Bridgewater as their starting quarterback.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 17, 2020, 11:11:14 PM
Brady ending up in Tampa Bay by all accounts
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 17, 2020, 12:35:04 AM
Vonn Miller the Broncos pass rusher has tested positive for corona virus. I am sure he will be fine.

edit: Just reading that Miller has asthma which might complicate matters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2020, 09:41:54 AM
Looking forward to the Jordan documentary coming to Netflix
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on April 17, 2020, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2020, 09:41:54 AM
Looking forward to the Jordan documentary coming to Netflix

Yeah has potential to be one of the best sports documentaries about... what a player but I'd say he's some p***k!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on April 17, 2020, 10:45:12 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 17, 2020, 10:38:01 AM
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 17, 2020, 09:41:54 AM
Looking forward to the Jordan documentary coming to Netflix

Yeah has potential to be one of the best sports documentaries about... what a player but I'd say he's some p***k!

I read his book a few years ago, he comes across as a pr*ck in it alright, but his winning mentality dictated that behaviour.  Really looking forward to this. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 20, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Last Dance first thoughts - MJ looks a sick man
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on April 20, 2020, 11:49:57 AM
Quote from: Taylor on April 20, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Last Dance first thoughts - MJ looks a sick man

Very slick wish I could binge watch all of it... It's been very tame from him so far by and large but I'm sure we'll get to see some of the temper tantrums as things unfold.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 20, 2020, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 20, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Last Dance first thoughts - MJ looks a sick man

The eyes? Been like that a good while.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 20, 2020, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: gallsman on April 20, 2020, 12:10:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on April 20, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Last Dance first thoughts - MJ looks a sick man

The eyes? Been like that a good while.

I just thought they looked much worse in the first episode anyway
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 21, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Sounds like (an unretired) Gronk may be joining Brady in Tampa - if a trade can be worked out

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1252686680152322048
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 21, 2020, 09:36:38 PM
And the deal is done - Gronk and a 7th rounder for a 4th rounder  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 22, 2020, 12:15:12 AM
That is a big deal pulled off by the Bucs. They are genuine superbowl contenders now.

Staying with the NFL, the first round of the draft is on thursday night/friday morning. It will be the only sport of interest to be broadcast in the near future. I am really looking forward to it as the vikings have 2 first round picks.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 23, 2020, 06:10:38 PM
NFL draft tonight 49ers looking like taking  a wr at 13 for those in Ireland on lockdown good late night viewing for anyone  interested .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on April 23, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
Loving The Last Dance. It's riveting stuff.

Think Brady is washed but the Bucs have a strong roster. Gronk will need to be awesome though (moreso as a blocker than a pass catcher) and while the rest will do him good, having to bulk up and be game conditioned isn't simple. I guess he has time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on April 23, 2020, 09:46:52 PM
4 decent teams in the NFC South.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 24, 2020, 02:14:49 AM
The draft is going along expected lines up to pick 6. Quarter back Joe Burrow going first to the Bengals. QB Tua Tagovailoa going to the Dolphins at 5 and qb Justin Herbert going to the Chargers at 6.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Oraisteach on April 24, 2020, 04:19:39 AM
3 Ohio State Buckeyes chosen in 1st Round (4 former Bucks if you include Joe Burrow)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 26, 2020, 12:57:11 AM
That is the draft completed for another year. The vikings picked up wide reeceiver Justin Jefferson of LSU and cornerback Jeff Gladney in round 1.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on May 04, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
Don Shula has died

https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins/status/1257313831849611264

@MiamiDolphins The Miami Dolphins are saddened to announce that Head Coach Don Shula passed away peacefully at his home this morning.
Image
10:19 AM · May 4, 2020
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 04, 2020, 05:45:40 PM
No international NFL games this year

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1257349785515851776
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 29, 2020, 01:36:17 AM
Cam taking his talents to Foxborough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on June 29, 2020, 07:52:37 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on June 29, 2020, 01:36:17 AM
Cam taking his talents to Foxborough.

That changes things for the Patriots. They are only paying him 7.5 million dollars for the year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on July 03, 2020, 12:39:24 AM
NFL wants to play the black national anthem before games now , do I kneel or stand up for that .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 06, 2020, 11:30:56 PM
HOL-EE SHIT!!!!!

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1280261912568172553

QuoteThe #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren't exercised. No trade clause
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 07, 2020, 07:22:15 AM
It must make Tom Brady wonder what he has given up over the years to play for the Patriots.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on July 07, 2020, 08:02:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on July 07, 2020, 07:22:15 AM
It must make Tom Brady wonder what he has given up over the years to play for the Patriots.

He's lucky he had his wife to support him........ ;) ;)

https://www.businessinsider.com/tom-brady-gisele-buendchen-net-worth-millionaire-lifestyle-2019-2?r=US&IR=T
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 08:05:34 AM
Eye watering figures however in 10/15 years time how will it look?

It is a static figure and not tied to a % of salary cap - the way pro sports is going he will be well down the list by the time his contract comes to an end.

Manny Ramirez had what was deemed a massive contract about 20 years ago worth $20m a year.

Chiefs cap is getting squeezed now



Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 07, 2020, 08:18:28 AM
Quote from: Taylor on July 07, 2020, 08:05:34 AM
Eye watering figures however in 10/15 years time how will it look?

It is a static figure and not tied to a % of salary cap - the way pro sports is going he will be well down the list by the time his contract comes to an end.

Manny Ramirez had what was deemed a massive contract about 20 years ago worth $20m a year.

Chiefs cap is getting squeezed now

It doesn't matter at he'll sign a new one in 4/5 years anyway.

The numbers are astronomical but this is basically a baseball contract. It'll never be seen through. The "guarantee mechanisms" are supposedly all just player options.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on July 13, 2020, 04:35:27 PM
No more Redskins!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on July 16, 2020, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on July 13, 2020, 04:35:27 PM
No more Redskins!

Could be no more Dan Snyder by the sounds of things in the media today - a lot of bad stories are about to come out about him that will result in him having to sell the team.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on August 12, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
Sky Sports launching Sky Sports NFL channel:

https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12047354/nfl-and-sky-sports-unveil-sky-sports-nfl (https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12047354/nfl-and-sky-sports-unveil-sky-sports-nfl)


Sky Sports NFL viewers can look forward to the following:

Minimum of five live games each week
First-pick exclusive game on Sky Sports NFL in the 6pm and 9pm slot every Sunday
Every Thursday Night, Sunday Night, and Monday Night Football
NFL RedZone
Every minute of every playoff game, Pro Bowl, and Super Bowl live
Flagship programming from NFL Network, including the popular Good Morning Football and Total Access shows
Award-winning documentaries and other content from NFL Films and NBC Sports
Brand new weekly shows to review the action and discuss the stories of the league, including original Sky Sports programming
Increased coverage across Sky Sports News, Digital and Social platforms
And much more...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 12, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
Sky Sports launching Sky Sports NFL channel:

https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12047354/nfl-and-sky-sports-unveil-sky-sports-nfl (https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12047354/nfl-and-sky-sports-unveil-sky-sports-nfl)


Sky Sports NFL viewers can look forward to the following:

Minimum of five live games each week
First-pick exclusive game on Sky Sports NFL in the 6pm and 9pm slot every Sunday
Every Thursday Night, Sunday Night, and Monday Night Football
NFL RedZone
Every minute of every playoff game, Pro Bowl, and Super Bowl live
Flagship programming from NFL Network, including the popular Good Morning Football and Total Access shows
Award-winning documentaries and other content from NFL Films and NBC Sports
Brand new weekly shows to review the action and discuss the stories of the league, including original Sky Sports programming
Increased coverage across Sky Sports News, Digital and Social platforms
And much more...

Does this mean it'll be gone from Sky sports mix?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on September 04, 2020, 10:23:57 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 04, 2020, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: oakleaflad on August 12, 2020, 02:26:47 PM
Sky Sports launching Sky Sports NFL channel:

https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12047354/nfl-and-sky-sports-unveil-sky-sports-nfl (https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12047354/nfl-and-sky-sports-unveil-sky-sports-nfl)


Sky Sports NFL viewers can look forward to the following:

Minimum of five live games each week
First-pick exclusive game on Sky Sports NFL in the 6pm and 9pm slot every Sunday
Every Thursday Night, Sunday Night, and Monday Night Football
NFL RedZone
Every minute of every playoff game, Pro Bowl, and Super Bowl live
Flagship programming from NFL Network, including the popular Good Morning Football and Total Access shows
Award-winning documentaries and other content from NFL Films and NBC Sports
Brand new weekly shows to review the action and discuss the stories of the league, including original Sky Sports programming
Increased coverage across Sky Sports News, Digital and Social platforms
And much more...

Does this mean it'll be gone from Sky sports mix?
Redzone will still be shown on Sky Sports Mix afaik
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 11, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
FOOTBALL!

CEH looks like the real deal for KC, as if their offense needed any more dynamic threats. Struggled to punch it in from the 1 yard line a couple of times though. Think he had like 5 goes and couldn't get it done which might hurt him in future.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 13, 2020, 10:18:52 AM
Predictions for NFL then. Looks a two horse race in AFC between Chiefs and Ravens. I'm gonna go with Ravens. NFC is a minefield. I'll go for the Saints with Brees likely in his last year. Ravens win the lot.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 14, 2020, 12:09:37 PM
Cowboys blew a chance to level the game with a field goal in the fourth quarter by going for it on fourth down instead. They went on to lose the game by 3 points.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 14, 2020, 12:13:38 PM
Not taking the FG isn't what cost them the game. Some awful play calling and a bullshit OPI call on Gallup on the final series did. Ramsey flopped for it like he was in the NBA.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 14, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
Watched a decent bit of the redzone coverage last night.  The one the lad didn't catch for the Lions to win it was horrific.

Kittle's knee went the wrong direction and still came out for the 2nd half.  I'd be amazed if there isn't damage there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 16, 2020, 07:17:30 AM
Clippers out to the Nuggets...you would have to think it's Lebrons title now. Not enough scorers left in the teams. Murray and Jokic would need to score over 70 between them, probably more to stand a chance. Don't see enough in the East to put up a fight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on September 16, 2020, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on September 16, 2020, 07:17:30 AM
Clippers out to the Nuggets...you would have to think it's Lebrons title now. Not enough scorers left in the teams. Murray and Jokic would need to score over 70 between them, probably more to stand a chance. Don't see enough in the East to put up a fight.

Don't write off Miami ... they are scorcing hot at the moment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 21, 2020, 04:21:44 PM
Players are dropping like flies in the NFL. Injuries everywhere
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 22, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on September 21, 2020, 04:21:44 PM
Players are dropping like flies in the NFL. Injuries everywhere

Week 1 was relatively quiet but week 2 has been awful. Players haven't had a proper preseason...this was bound to happen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 23, 2020, 03:09:40 PM
Gayle Sayers, The Kansas Comet, running back for Chicago Bears passed at the age of 77.

If you never seen the movie Brian's Song, watch it!

It is about the relationship between Bear's teammates Brian Piccolo and Gayle Sayers during the 60's in the turbulent race segregration of the US.
Warning it is a tear jerker.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 23, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
Quote from: DrinkingHarp on September 23, 2020, 03:09:40 PM
Gayle Sayers, The Kansas Comet, running back for Chicago Bears passed at the age of 77.

If you never seen the movie Brian's Song, watch it!

It is about the relationship between Bear's teammates Brian Piccolo and Gayle Sayers during the 60's in the turbulent race segregration of the US.
Warning it is a tear jerker.

Sad news. A legend. Haven't seen the movie but am familiar with the story.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 24, 2020, 04:51:16 AM
Great movie alright ! The playing surface in NY is under severe pressure this week, Niners lost Bosa and Solomon Thomas for the year , and have to play on the same field again this weeks v the Giants. Players and coaches complaining about the surface before last sundays game.
A few coaches will already be under pressure for their jobs. Gase looks like a dead man walking in NY, Dan Quinn could be in diff's as well, as could Bill O'Brien. Patriots could have won that game sunday night against the Seahawks, terrible call on that last play .. Russell Wilson is a fantastic player.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 24, 2020, 04:27:03 PM
Don't think it was a terrible call at all. Seattle hadn't been able to stop then all night and Cam is one of the greatest goal line threats in NFL history. Was just a good stop is all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 27, 2020, 09:22:43 PM
Any defence of Trubisky these days Seanie?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 28, 2020, 04:57:50 AM
some good games today. Russell Wilson is playing at a different level right now! The Pats are legit , they play KC on the road next week, should be a cracker. Dan Quinn and Adam Gase wont sleep well tonight. That could be trubiskey finished in Chicago.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on September 28, 2020, 07:55:21 AM

Joe Cool  8)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54320302
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 29, 2020, 11:18:54 PM
The Vikings lost out narrowly to the Titans at the weekend but the real bad news is the Titans were infected with the plague throwing the Vikings and Titans next games into doubt. 3 Titans players and 5 officials have tested positive for covid 19.

The good news for the Vikings at the weekend was the breakout  performance of wide receiver Justin Jefferson. He had 175 yards receivng and a touchdown. He looks like the real deal. I am picking him up in fantasy football where I can.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 30, 2020, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 27, 2020, 09:22:43 PM
Any defence of Trubisky these days Seanie?

Hmmmm. One of the best backup QB's in the league?  ;D

When was the last time a team started 3-0 and the QB got benched?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 30, 2020, 02:15:12 PM
Joking aside what he has produced hasn't been good enough. First game of the season I thought he looked a bit better but overall he just seems to play with the handbrake on. When Foles came in it was obvious he was playing with more freedom. I'm not convinced Foles is more talented but he's more decisive and confident. Bears aren't a great team by any means but will stay in a lot games due to good defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: DrinkingHarp on September 30, 2020, 05:06:12 PM
Steelers and Titans game postponed due to Covid
Game rescheduled date TBD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 03, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Cam and the Chiefs' practice squad QB test positive. Pats @ Chiefs provisionally rescheduled for Monday or Tuesday but big question mark over that I guess with what happened the titans and Steelers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on October 03, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 03, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Cam and the Chiefs' practice squad QB test positive. Pat @ Chiefs provisionally rescheduled for Monday or Tuesday but big question mark over that I guess with what happened the titans and Steelers.

Season could be down the shitter at this rate, doubt the season finishes on time if it does conclude
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 03, 2020, 05:53:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on October 03, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 03, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Cam and the Chiefs' practice squad QB test positive. Pat @ Chiefs provisionally rescheduled for Monday or Tuesday but big question mark over that I guess with what happened the titans and Steelers.

Season could be down the shitter at this rate, doubt the season finishes on time if it does conclude

Apparently the league and the NFLPA agreed to about six weeks of slack to account for any COVID related postponements.

MLB was in a much worse state when it had its outbreak and look to be managing to get the season finished one way or the other. Would be confident the NFL will do the same, regardless of what that means for the overall schedule.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 04, 2020, 06:02:48 PM
Pats-Chiefs fixed for Monday night, pending further testing tinnitus. All other Pats tested negative.

Plan is apparently that the Pats will fly tomorrow afternoon and play that night. Gotta think that'll be a bit of a hiding.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 05, 2020, 11:27:41 PM
The Texans have sacked head coach Bill O'Brien. After a tough start to the season losing to the Chiefs, Steelers and Ravens. The defeat to the Vikings proved too much for the owner to take. O'Brien was also the GM.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on October 06, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Is there really anyone who will  be able to stand up to the Chiefs?

Maybe Seattle, maybe Green Bay

New England with Cam, maybe Ravens if everythign goes right?

Not many genuine contenders though

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 06, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
Ravens (Chiefs spanked them a week ago) and a Bills the only teams in the AFC who have a shot, no matter how small. From the NFC Seattle's D is surely too terrible and Wilson can't be expected to sustain his level of brilliance through the end of the season, which is what they'd need to give them any hope. Green Bay and the Bucs look like the other NFC picks, Bucs even headed up the rankings of all teams by DVOA before last night's game, although I personally don't see them troubling KC.

KC - Green Bay Super Bowl. KC to win.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2020, 09:33:58 AM
Go Bears! Foles takes Brady down again!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The obsession with QB's in this sport is insane. Clearly Brady is a miles better QB than Foles, even now. There are 21 other players on the field though and they all make massive impacts. Outhalves in rugby aren't always man of the match nor should they be. I think the comparison holds here but I guess it's a reflection on the American psyche.

Bears defense is the reason why they're 4-1. If you're not leaking many points then it's possible to scrape together enough scores yourself to win. QB play has been bad aided and abetted by awful play calling. Nearly lost the game by throwing on 2nd down when already comfortably in FG range. Unbelievably threw again on 3rd down (gained 4 yards). I know they were having trouble running all night but two jumbo package QB sneaks would have worked there and left only 30-40 seconds on the clock rather than 80.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2020, 09:53:17 AM
The reason they're 4-1 is that they've played the Giants and the Falcons. The D is grand and Mack is still All World but it's nothing on the version from two years ago. Another reason is the really dodgy roughing call on Shaq Barrett when the Bears had 4th & 24 pinned up against their own line on what turned out to be the game winning drive.

The throw on 2nd & 9 was absolutely moronic
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on October 09, 2020, 11:47:16 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 09, 2020, 09:53:17 AM
The reason they're 4-1 is that they've played the Giants and the Falcons. The D is grand and Mack is still All World but it's nothing on the version from two years ago. Another reason is the really dodgy roughing call on Shaq Barrett when the Bears had 4th & 24 pinned up against their own line on what turned out to be the game winning drive.

The throw on 2nd & 9 was absolutely moronic

Oh I know the schedule has been pretty soft also, relatively. Still think the Bears will do well to get to .500 on the season. And the defense isn't what it was a couple of seasons ago. Pretty good on the back end, ok up front and maybe improving. Lot of money invested so should be a top 5 unit at worst. Nagy must have been looking out the window daydreaming when Andy Reid was talking when they worked together.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 09, 2020, 01:04:10 PM
Yup, could be a couple of grim years ahead for the Bears. Not good enough to win, not bad enough to pick up a franchise player in the draft. Not much in the way of draft capital. Could waste the prime of stars like Mack and Robinson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2020, 07:50:27 PM
Chiefs are tying with the Raiders 24-24 at halftime in Arrowhead. A possible big upset on the cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on October 11, 2020, 07:58:02 PM
Alex smith is in against rams , if you saw the 30 for 30 on his injury it's a miracle he's playing, some guts and determination.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2020, 08:46:36 PM
The Raiders are up by 6 on the Chiefs into the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2020, 09:01:34 PM
Raiders now 9 up on the Chiefs with 6.34 to go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 11, 2020, 11:41:56 PM
Cowboys season just took a nosedive. Dak Prescott appears to have a bad ankle injury.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 12, 2020, 09:22:03 AM
I dunno. Dalton might do alright. Their defence is still more of a concern.

The raiders have already had some cracking results this season!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 12, 2020, 10:53:19 AM
Prescott was playing out of his mind (with lots of help from their stellar receiving corps), and they were still 1-3. Dalton is more than capable but isn't going to improve the offense in any way. Like the Eagles, their status this year is entirely determined by how shit the rest of NFC West is. Without Dak, Eagles are probably now favourites for it. 7-9 will surely win it.

Be really interesting now to see if Jerry continues to try to lowball him. Considering the level he was at, he was showing that he was worth every penny of what he wanted. There's surely no way Jerry wants to handle the optics of such an elite player getting a catastrophic injury whilst carrying the franchise getting shafted. Worst case situation for Dak I think they franchise him again but that'd be for 50 odd million, so I think they'll have to get something done. Probably 5 years, 210-215 million, 120 million guaranteed is my guess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 13, 2020, 02:18:21 PM
Herbert looks to be a decent talent. He can fairly throw a deep ball even the pressure is right in his face.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on October 13, 2020, 04:13:04 PM
Justin Herbert is going to be a star! That's arguably the best QB class in the draft since big Ben , Eli and Rivers , I guess we will have to wait and see how Tua works out. Herbert definitely passes the eyeball test, although a small sample size the pass he threw to Keenan Allen for the 1st TD , probably only Mahomes , Rodgers and maybe Russell Wilson could make that throw. The kids legit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 20, 2020, 05:30:40 PM
Naming Tua as the starter seems like a bit of a raw deal for Fitzpatrick. Not unexpected in the long run but still. Ripping the plaster off quickly
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 20, 2020, 07:20:37 PM
Fitzpatrick knows the deal. He'll be grand.

To me it makes sense. Gives Tua more meaningful reps with zero expectation winning.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 20, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
Would Fins expectations not have now risen slightly with the good run? Tua will have Aaron Donald and the Rams next
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 20, 2020, 08:25:34 PM
Two of their three wins have been against the Jets and Jags!

Further progress under Flores is what they're looking for. Nobody thinks or expects them to win the division or make the playoffs. They're going good though. Tua could be really special.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 01, 2020, 10:41:00 PM
Ronnie Stanley broke his ankle today and is out for the year about 48 hours after signing a $99m extension with about $70m guaranteed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 01, 2020, 10:54:37 PM
The Vikings upset the Packers 28-22 in lambeau while the Bengals upset the Titans 31-20 in Cincinnati. The latter result got me kicked out of survival football, I didn't see either of  those results coming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 02, 2020, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 01, 2020, 10:54:37 PM
The Vikings upset the Packers 28-22 in lambeau while the Bengals upset the Titans 31-20 in Cincinnati. The latter result got me kicked out of survival football, I didn't see either of  those results coming.

An unbelievable performance from Cook.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 09, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Will that Saints win slightly dampen the Tampa love in that seems to have swept the media?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2020, 03:48:26 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 09, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
Will that Saints win slightly dampen the Tampa love in that seems to have swept the media?

Slightly?! They'll be asking existential questions about the team!

A total annihilation on both sides of the ball the entire game. Saints needed that as they hadn't looked great recently. Now with Thomas back they're a real force
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2020, 01:43:37 AM
What an ending in the Cards/Bills!!!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 20, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Taysom Hill named as starting QB ahead of Jameis while Brees is hurt. Gonna be a wild ride.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 20, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Taysom Hill named as starting QB ahead of Jameis while Brees is hurt. Gonna be a wild ride.

Shocked at that. Jameis is the interception king but still thought he would have gotten the nod. He surely has a better arm than Hill. Taysom good at the run of course.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 23, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Taysom Hill named as starting QB ahead of Jameis while Brees is hurt. Gonna be a wild ride.

Shocked at that. Jameis is the interception king but still thought he would have gotten the nod. He surely has a better arm than Hill. Taysom good at the run of course.

Was shocked at the decision and even more shocked how well Hill did as a passer.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 23, 2020, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 23, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Taysom Hill named as starting QB ahead of Jameis while Brees is hurt. Gonna be a wild ride.

Shocked at that. Jameis is the interception king but still thought he would have gotten the nod. He surely has a better arm than Hill. Taysom good at the run of course.

Was shocked at the decision and even more shocked how well Hill did as a passer.

Yeah he did well didn't he!? Surprising. Matt Ryan on the other hand was rarely off his ass. 8 sacks on him I think.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 23, 2020, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 23, 2020, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 23, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Taysom Hill named as starting QB ahead of Jameis while Brees is hurt. Gonna be a wild ride.

Shocked at that. Jameis is the interception king but still thought he would have gotten the nod. He surely has a better arm than Hill. Taysom good at the run of course.

Was shocked at the decision and even more shocked how well Hill did as a passer.

Yeah he did well didn't he!? Surprising. Matt Ryan on the other hand was rarely off his ass. 8 sacks on him I think.

Falcons offense doesn't function without Julio. He got injured early and the bits I saw it was Ryan holding on to the ball too long a lot. He didn't perform well when Julio was out earlier in the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 23, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 23, 2020, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 23, 2020, 12:23:24 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on November 23, 2020, 11:57:38 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 20, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 20, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
Taysom Hill named as starting QB ahead of Jameis while Brees is hurt. Gonna be a wild ride.

Shocked at that. Jameis is the interception king but still thought he would have gotten the nod. He surely has a better arm than Hill. Taysom good at the run of course.

Was shocked at the decision and even more shocked how well Hill did as a passer.

Yeah he did well didn't he!? Surprising. Matt Ryan on the other hand was rarely off his ass. 8 sacks on him I think.

Falcons offense doesn't function without Julio. He got injured early and the bits I saw it was Ryan holding on to the ball too long a lot. He didn't perform well when Julio was out earlier in the season.

Feel a bit for the O line there as they will be under scrutiny with those numbers but 100% correct that Ryan delayed a lot in the pocket.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 29, 2020, 12:02:23 AM
Due to Covid, current Denver practice squad WR/forget college QB Wake Forest Kendall Hinton looks set to start against the Saints.

Ravens @ Steelers, originally scheduled for Thanksgiving was pushed back first of all to Sunday and now Tuesday. Lamar and the first choice RBs already ruled out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 30, 2020, 06:46:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 29, 2020, 12:02:23 AM
Due to Covid, current Denver practice squad WR/forget college QB Wake Forest Kendall Hinton looks set to start against the Saints.

Ravens @ Steelers, originally scheduled for Thanksgiving was pushed back first of all to Sunday and now Tuesday. Lamar and the first choice RBs already ruled out.

Hinton went 1/9 for 13 yards and 2 INTs. Poor bastard. Kind you, Taysom Hill was hardly that much better for the Saints.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 30, 2020, 10:02:52 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 30, 2020, 06:46:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 29, 2020, 12:02:23 AM
Due to Covid, current Denver practice squad WR/forget college QB Wake Forest Kendall Hinton looks set to start against the Saints.

Ravens @ Steelers, originally scheduled for Thanksgiving was pushed back first of all to Sunday and now Tuesday. Lamar and the first choice RBs already ruled out.

Hinton went 1/9 for 13 yards and 2 INTs. Poor bastard. Kind you, Taysom Hill was hardly that much better for the Saints.

Yeah thankfully Taysom Hill can run the ball but he isn't the long term solution.

1 completion and 2 interceptions is a horrific stat.

Tyreek Hill had a monster first half for the chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on November 30, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on November 30, 2020, 10:02:52 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 30, 2020, 06:46:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on November 29, 2020, 12:02:23 AM
Due to Covid, current Denver practice squad WR/forget college QB Wake Forest Kendall Hinton looks set to start against the Saints.

Ravens @ Steelers, originally scheduled for Thanksgiving was pushed back first of all to Sunday and now Tuesday. Lamar and the first choice RBs already ruled out.

Hinton went 1/9 for 13 yards and 2 INTs. Poor bastard. Kind you, Taysom Hill was hardly that much better for the Saints.

Yeah thankfully Taysom Hill can run the ball but he isn't the long term solution.

1 completion and 2 interceptions is a horrific stat.

Tyreek Hill had a monster first half for the chiefs.

I think he had over 200 yards in the first 10 minutes. TB secondarywas all over the shop in the 1st quarter but tightened up well. Brady is having to play a completely different game at the minute and he is quite erratic with a number of strange interceptions thrown over the last couple of weeks where he has looked to be forcing it. Albeit I dont think his receiving team are covering themselves in glory either
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
49ers have to play their next 2 home games at the Cardinals stadium due to new covid legislation in Santa Clara County. Ironically, where they are going to - there's more than double the cases/100K of the population.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on December 01, 2020, 09:22:03 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 30, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
49ers have to play their next 2 home games at the Cardinals stadium due to new covid legislation in Santa Clara County. Ironically, where they are going to - there's more than double the cases/100K of the population.

The US is an absolute mess at the moment and showing no signs of reversing the trend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2020, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 29, 2020, 12:02:23 AM
Due to Covid, current Denver practice squad WR/forget college QB Wake Forest Kendall Hinton looks set to start against the Saints.

Ravens @ Steelers, originally scheduled for Thanksgiving was pushed back first of all to Sunday and now Tuesday. Lamar and the first choice RBs already ruled out.

Steelers/Ravens game pushed till tomorrow now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 07, 2020, 01:41:03 AM
The Seahawks were upset by the giants in Seattle. The Packers beat the Eagles after a mini scare late in the game.

The Rams beat the Cardinals in Arizona which allowed the vikings to move into the playoff positions. The Vikings had an up and down game against the Jags before coming out on top in overtime, the Vikings made it difficult for themselves.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on December 07, 2020, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 07, 2020, 01:41:03 AM
The Seahawks were upset by the giants in Seattle. The Packers beat the Eagles after a mini scare late in the game.

The Rams beat the Cardinals in Arizona which allowed the vikings to move into the playoff positions. The Vikings had an up and down game against the Jags before coming out on top in overtime, the Vikings made it difficult for themselves.

Decent pressure put on Wilson and even when he did get time, the coverage down field seemed to do ok.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 27, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
The Jets are playing like a playoff team at the end of the season. They beat the rams last week and are well ahead of the Browns this week.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 28, 2020, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 27, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
The Jets are playing like a playoff team at the end of the season. They beat the rams last week and are well ahead of the Browns this week.

The NFL's approach to Covid has been shambolic. How they can find a way to rearrange the Ravens game 3 times, but then force the Browns to play is farcical. You can see why there is rightly a bit of uproar amongst the Browns fans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 28, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 28, 2020, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 27, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
The Jets are playing like a playoff team at the end of the season. They beat the rams last week and are well ahead of the Browns this week.

The NFL's approach to Covid has been shambolic. How they can find a way to rearrange the Ravens game 3 times, but then force the Browns to play is farcical. You can see why there is rightly a bit of uproar amongst the Browns fans.

They made Denver play with no QBs a few weeks ago, they were always playing this one
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 28, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
Quote from: Minder on December 28, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 28, 2020, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 27, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
The Jets are playing like a playoff team at the end of the season. They beat the rams last week and are well ahead of the Browns this week.

The NFL's approach to Covid has been shambolic. How they can find a way to rearrange the Ravens game 3 times, but then force the Browns to play is farcical. You can see why there is rightly a bit of uproar amongst the Browns fans.

They made Denver play with no QBs a few weeks ago, they were always playing this one

Yeah but that just reiterates my point. Denver lost their QB trio, and the Browns their whole cohort of receivers pretty much. Why therefore did Baltimore get a game rearranged on numerous occasions to accommodate them?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 28, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on December 27, 2020, 08:03:36 PM
The Jets are playing like a playoff team at the end of the season. They beat the rams last week and are well ahead of the Browns this week.

Exaggeration much. They (barely) beat a team with no receivers and half their offensive line missing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on December 28, 2020, 05:57:34 PM
Haskins released by Washington, back to the strip club for him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Eire90 on January 04, 2021, 04:31:44 PM
American College Football needs a major restructuring  same teams playing in playoffs mostly getting very boring
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 04, 2021, 06:30:05 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 04, 2021, 04:31:44 PM
American College Football needs a major restructuring  same teams playing in playoffs mostly getting very boring

The selection committee is corrupt as hell.

https://www.theringer.com/2020/12/20/22192016/college-football-playoff-rankings-notre-dame-texas-am-cincinnati
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 05, 2021, 06:25:41 PM
Chargers have one of the most attractive HC benches going for a long time and could have their pick of anyone out there. Good roster, plenty of cap room, plenty of draft picks and another 4 years of a budding superstar QB on a cheap contract.

They've asked Jason Garrett to interview...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 11, 2021, 11:43:08 AM
The Bears were a total shambles last night. Some of their penalties were just unbelievable stupidity.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 11, 2021, 12:08:58 PM
Some of the officiating over the weekend was shocking.

And that's WITH the benefit of video replay.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 11, 2021, 12:28:39 PM
Does anyone hold the officials accountable after the game?

Like do they have to justify their decisions?

Some of the decisions were just illogical
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 11, 2021, 01:03:10 PM
If anything the decisions had too much logic.

The NFL is attempting to remove circumstance and understanding from its rules. The problem is, much the same as the PL, the game becomes a more tedious and infuriating product when robots overrule the naked eye, and a less emotional and enjoyable spectacle when officials are not permitted to differentiate between aggressiveness and violence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on January 11, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 11, 2021, 11:43:08 AM
The Bears were a total shambles last night. Some of their penalties were just unbelievable stupidity.

Shambles is a bit harsh. Made some really terrible errors, most notably the dropped TD pass that hit Wims between the numbers and the neutral zone infraction on 4th down. That was 11 points with those two mistakes alone. Excellent defense though even with several key starters missing. Just a shame they wasted that much money on Foles when they could/should have got a bit more quality for the offence with that wasted money. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 11, 2021, 03:39:27 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 11, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 11, 2021, 11:43:08 AM
The Bears were a total shambles last night. Some of their penalties were just unbelievable stupidity.

Shambles is a bit harsh. Made some really terrible errors, most notably the dropped TD pass that hit Wims between the numbers and the neutral zone infraction on 4th down. That was 11 points with those two mistakes alone. Excellent defense though even with several key starters missing. Just a shame they wasted that much money on Foles when they could/should have got a bit more quality for the offence with that wasted money.

Maybe harsh but they just seemed to be mentally weak. The time they took the time out to prepare for the saints 3rd and goal, then jumped at the line was unbelievable. Hitting out after a bit of goading too...

And yes the 4th down balls up too.

The Saints certainly weren't spectacular. They beat Tampa well twice in the regular season but I expect this to be a lot closer
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 11, 2021, 04:56:19 PM
The play calling really hurt them, although Mooney being out and then Miller getting himself ejected didn't help matters. Run, run, underneath throw, punt. Rinse and repeat.

He wasn't particularly impressive, but that loss ain't on Mitch.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 11, 2021, 09:34:02 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 11, 2021, 04:56:19 PM
The play calling really hurt them, although Mooney being out and then Miller getting himself ejected didn't help matters. Run, run, underneath throw, punt. Rinse and repeat.

He wasn't particularly impressive, but that loss ain't on Mitch.

A new quarterback for the bears in the draft?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 12, 2021, 12:57:23 AM
If last week didn't happen Bellichick would have been at the WH this week with f**king bells on!!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 12, 2021, 01:58:10 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 12, 2021, 12:57:23 AM
If last week didn't happen Bellichick would have been at the WH this week with f**king bells on!!!
moving on to Biden next question
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 13, 2021, 09:26:16 PM
Harden traded to Brooklyn Nets, Lakers v Nets finals then I suppose
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 17, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
The Packers beat the Rams 32-18 in the nfc and the Bills beat the Ravens 17-3 in a defensive struggle in the AFC last night.

Not that it matters imho. The Chiefs will win the superbowl as long as Mahomes remains healthy.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 17, 2021, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 17, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
The Packers beat the Rams 32-18 in the nfc and the Bills beat the Ravens 17-3 in a defensive struggle in the AFC last night.

Not that it matters imho. The Chiefs will win the superbowl as long as Mahomes remains healthy.



The chiefs will come to the end of the line tonight. Browns are going to get it done ✔
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 17, 2021, 07:12:32 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on January 17, 2021, 11:17:08 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 17, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
The Packers beat the Rams 32-18 in the nfc and the Bills beat the Ravens 17-3 in a defensive struggle in the AFC last night.

Not that it matters imho. The Chiefs will win the superbowl as long as Mahomes remains healthy.



The chiefs will come to the end of the line tonight. Browns are going to get it done ✔
2 more home wins today I think  , but I hope Brady wins
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 17, 2021, 10:12:55 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 17, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
The Packers beat the Rams 32-18 in the nfc and the Bills beat the Ravens 17-3 in a defensive struggle in the AFC last night.

Not that it matters imho. The Chiefs will win the superbowl as long as Mahomes remains healthy.

I think I jinxed Mahomes, he just got knocked out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 18, 2021, 08:17:52 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!

Looks like Brees unfortunately had one of his worst games in years as his last one. Bucs defense was excellent all night and Brady, after a poor start was just his usual clinical self when he needed to be. Hard to call the two championship games if Mahomes is not 100% but hoping it will be Rodgers/Mahomes in a shoot out to decide it in a couple of weeks.

What is the concussion protocol with PM now?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 18, 2021, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!

Second half in particular was awful for Brees. Interesting to see what the Saints do now because Jameis isn't the answer and neither is Taysom Hill.

Two good match ups ahead. Mahomes seems confident he will be available but the Bills will defo be a big test. I thought Rodgers was brilliant on Sat night. More of that and I'd think they'll progress.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 18, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 18, 2021, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!

Second half in particular was awful for Brees. Interesting to see what the Saints do now because Jameis isn't the answer and neither is Taysom Hill.

Two good match ups ahead. Mahomes seems confident he will be available but the Bills will defo be a big test. I thought Rodgers was brilliant on Sat night. More of that and I'd think they'll progress.

The saints will probably tank for next years star rookie quarterback from the draft. They are in cap hell and will be cutting players to get under the cap.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 18, 2021, 09:39:28 PM
Bucs very dangerous for Packers, loads of weapons and an aggressive D.

Brady will have no bother playing in the cold weather in Green Bay though it has to be a factor. Rodgers seems in total control though so you would slightly favour the Packers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 18, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 18, 2021, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!

Second half in particular was awful for Brees. Interesting to see what the Saints do now because Jameis isn't the answer and neither is Taysom Hill.

Two good match ups ahead. Mahomes seems confident he will be available but the Bills will defo be a big test. I thought Rodgers was brilliant on Sat night. More of that and I'd think they'll progress.

The saints will probably tank for next years star rookie quarterback from the draft. They are in cap hell and will be cutting players to get under the cap.

They should be going for Watson but realistically they can't... where will he end up?!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 19, 2021, 11:24:31 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 18, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 18, 2021, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!

Second half in particular was awful for Brees. Interesting to see what the Saints do now because Jameis isn't the answer and neither is Taysom Hill.

Two good match ups ahead. Mahomes seems confident he will be available but the Bills will defo be a big test. I thought Rodgers was brilliant on Sat night. More of that and I'd think they'll progress.

The saints will probably tank for next years star rookie quarterback from the draft. They are in cap hell and will be cutting players to get under the cap.

95 million over the cap according to The Herd
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 19, 2021, 11:26:35 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 11:49:25 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 18, 2021, 02:04:13 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 18, 2021, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 18, 2021, 02:43:24 AM
Not a nice way to go out for a legend but Brees has been terrible this evening just makes what Brady's been doing the past few years even more impressive!

Second half in particular was awful for Brees. Interesting to see what the Saints do now because Jameis isn't the answer and neither is Taysom Hill.

Two good match ups ahead. Mahomes seems confident he will be available but the Bills will defo be a big test. I thought Rodgers was brilliant on Sat night. More of that and I'd think they'll progress.

The saints will probably tank for next years star rookie quarterback from the draft. They are in cap hell and will be cutting players to get under the cap.

They should be going for Watson but realistically they can't... where will he end up?!

Yeah unfortunately it looks like they can't. Rumour of him going to Miami. Brees was supposed to go to Miami to but called in to speak with the saints on the way. There'll be no repeat of that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2021, 11:35:16 PM
Brady does it again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Silver hill on January 24, 2021, 11:43:08 PM
Major f@@k up by packers taking the field goal in the 4th when 8 down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2021, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 24, 2021, 11:43:08 PM
Major f@@k up by packers taking the field goal in the 4th when 8 down.

I've tried looking at that from a positive and can't find it. Bad enough in normal games, but with Brady on the ball it was suicide.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2021, 11:50:42 PM
Same.

As one of the lads on Sky was saying - if you trust your defence enough to stop Brady in less than 10 yards, then why not run the 4th down play anyway?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 12:42:07 AM
They were right there it was a huge gamble to presume they'd get back down there again a bird in the hand and all that.

Brady was a mixed bag some brilliant throws and then too many interceptions. Serious achievement though and the fact he's done it somewhere else shows serious balls and massive hunger @ 43 and having done everything there is to do.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 12:56:27 AM
Also Rodgers not running to the end zone on the 3rd down was a huge mistake by him!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 25, 2021, 01:05:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 12:56:27 AM
Also Rodgers not running to the end zone on the 3rd down was a huge mistake by him!

He was never making that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on January 25, 2021, 01:18:07 AM
There was a chance on second down too. I honestly think he bricked it. He wasn't happy in post game interview either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 01:41:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2021, 01:05:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 12:56:27 AM
Also Rodgers not running to the end zone on the 3rd down was a huge mistake by him!

He was never making that

He would have gotten closer though and it could have pushed them towards going for it on 4th he was making yards definitely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tyroneman on January 25, 2021, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 01:41:25 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 25, 2021, 01:05:16 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 25, 2021, 12:56:27 AM
Also Rodgers not running to the end zone on the 3rd down was a huge mistake by him!

He was never making that

He would have gotten closer though and it could have pushed them towards going for it on 4th he was making yards definitely.

I'd say it was 70-30 in his favour he was making it, but as said...it would have left them a lot closer to the end zone if he didn't.

Packers had thier chances, they got two turnovers in quick susccession and did nothing with them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 25, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
The current GOAT v the potential GOAT in the final.

Cant see the Bucs getting within a TD of them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 25, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 25, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
The current GOAT v the potential GOAT in the final.

Cant see the Bucs getting within a TD of them

Same as that but in saying that it would be typical Brady to win it by beating Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes in consecutive games. Two Hall of famers and in all likelihood Mahomes will be right up there with them! The Bucs defense will keep them in it and Brady will keep ticking over so you never know. I think KCs experience from last year will get them over the line.

Wonder what Belicheck and Kraft are thinking at the minute.........
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 25, 2021, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: TabClear on January 25, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 25, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
The current GOAT v the potential GOAT in the final.

Cant see the Bucs getting within a TD of them

Same as that but in saying that it would be typical Brady to win it by beating Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes in consecutive games. Two Hall of famers and in all likelihood Mahomes will be right up there with them! The Bucs defense will keep them in it and Brady will keep ticking over so you never know. I think KCs experience from last year will get them over the line.

Wonder what Belicheck and Kraft are thinking at the minute.........

I see the Chiefs winning it as well but the Bucs will be in their home stadium. I see it being a close game and I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 26, 2021, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: ONeill on January 24, 2021, 11:46:16 PM
Quote from: Silver hill on January 24, 2021, 11:43:08 PM
Major f@@k up by packers taking the field goal in the 4th when 8 down.

I've tried looking at that from a positive and can't find it. Bad enough in normal games, but with Brady on the ball it was suicide.

As it was happening I think I agreed with taking the field goal but in hindsight it was a poor call.  I agree with screen too that Rodgers should have ran the ball on 3rd down. No, I doubt he was going to get the TD but he would have been very close.  The 4th down attempt at a TD would probably have been a certainty at that stage.  Was it a lack of bottle by Rodgers? You know that Mahomes would have went for that...

Not having Jones at that stage of the game really hurt the Packers IMO.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 26, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 25, 2021, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: TabClear on January 25, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 25, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
The current GOAT v the potential GOAT in the final.

Cant see the Bucs getting within a TD of them

Same as that but in saying that it would be typical Brady to win it by beating Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes in consecutive games. Two Hall of famers and in all likelihood Mahomes will be right up there with them! The Bucs defense will keep them in it and Brady will keep ticking over so you never know. I think KCs experience from last year will get them over the line.

Wonder what Belicheck and Kraft are thinking at the minute.........

I see the Chiefs winning it as well but the Bucs will be in their home stadium. I see it being a close game and I am looking forward to it.

Will home stadium matter that much? I presume not a whole lot of fans will be allowed in.

Hard to see past the Chiefs they're just too good in all areas.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 26, 2021, 03:44:16 PM
Quote from: screenexile on January 26, 2021, 03:42:35 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 25, 2021, 02:22:20 PM
Quote from: TabClear on January 25, 2021, 01:04:32 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 25, 2021, 11:09:21 AM
The current GOAT v the potential GOAT in the final.

Cant see the Bucs getting within a TD of them

Same as that but in saying that it would be typical Brady to win it by beating Brees, Rodgers and Mahomes in consecutive games. Two Hall of famers and in all likelihood Mahomes will be right up there with them! The Bucs defense will keep them in it and Brady will keep ticking over so you never know. I think KCs experience from last year will get them over the line.

Wonder what Belicheck and Kraft are thinking at the minute.........

I see the Chiefs winning it as well but the Bucs will be in their home stadium. I see it being a close game and I am looking forward to it.

Will home stadium matter that much? I presume not a whole lot of fans will be allowed in.

Hard to see past the Chiefs they're just too good in all areas.

22k fans. 7.5k of which are to vaccinated health care workers I believe.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 29, 2021, 11:14:09 AM
Watson is going to be the off season saga this year then.  Do the Texans hold out and fine him each week he doesn't turn up?  If he leaves, where does he go?  The Jets seems to be the touted destination, with Darnold then moving on elsewhere too.  Could be a lot of QB moves ahead.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 29, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 29, 2021, 11:14:09 AM
Watson is going to be the off season saga this year then.  Do the Texans hold out and fine him each week he doesn't turn up?  If he leaves, where does he go?  The Jets seems to be the touted destination, with Darnold then moving on elsewhere too.  Could be a lot of QB moves ahead.

The Texans will have a lot of work to do in order to hold onto not only Watson but also JJ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2021, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 29, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 29, 2021, 11:14:09 AM
Watson is going to be the off season saga this year then.  Do the Texans hold out and fine him each week he doesn't turn up?  If he leaves, where does he go?  The Jets seems to be the touted destination, with Darnold then moving on elsewhere too.  Could be a lot of QB moves ahead.

The Texans will have a lot of work to do in order to hold onto not only Watson but also JJ

JJ's not worth his price tag to them now, sound be surprised if they want to keep him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: 5times5times on January 29, 2021, 06:15:43 PM
Texans hold a lot of leverage here though. While he has a trade clause, the Texans can just say Nah.

Trading Deshaun Watson

#Texans Dead Cap:
Pre 6/1: $21.6M
Post 6/1: $5.4M/$16.2M

Traded Contract:
5 yrs, $146.5M
$82.5M GTD
Caps: 10.54/35/37/32/32

With a $10.54M salary in 2021, Deshaun Watson would stand to lose $620,000 per game missed.

They can fine him almost $100,000 if he misses minicamp.

They can fine him $50,000 per training camp day missed.

They can fine him $620,000 per preseason game missed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: restorepride on January 29, 2021, 11:25:10 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 29, 2021, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 29, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 29, 2021, 11:14:09 AM
Watson is going to be the off season saga this year then.  Do the Texans hold out and fine him each week he doesn't turn up?  If he leaves, where does he go?  The Jets seems to be the touted destination, with Darnold then moving on elsewhere too.  Could be a lot of QB moves ahead.

The Texans will have a lot of work to do in order to hold onto not only Watson but also JJ
Tá lúdramán i do chlub.

JJ's not worth his price tag to them now, sound be surprised if they want to keep him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
Mike Pettine gone as DC in Green Bay, the coverage on the TB touchdown at end of first half was reason enough.

I'm not sure Watson goes anywhere, the teams hold the power in situations like this.

I don't think Packers decision to kick FG was that outlandish, they were playing to win in regulation. If they scored a TD, Bucs had 2 mins to get a FG
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: restorepride on January 29, 2021, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 29, 2021, 04:54:30 PM
Quote from: Taylor on January 29, 2021, 12:29:01 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 29, 2021, 11:14:09 AM
Watson is going to be the off season saga this year then.  Do the Texans hold out and fine him each week he doesn't turn up?  If he leaves, where does he go?  The Jets seems to be the touted destination, with Darnold then moving on elsewhere too.  Could be a lot of QB moves ahead.

The Texans will have a lot of work to do in order to hold onto not only Watson but also JJ

JJ's not worth his price tag to them now, sound be surprised if they want to keep him.
Tá lúdramán i do chlub.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2021, 12:03:08 PM
Goff to Lions (and a kings ransom of picks) and Stafford to Rams
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 31, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
2 first round draft picks as well in the deal. The Lions won that trade.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 31, 2021, 01:28:56 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 31, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
2 first round draft picks as well in the deal. The Lions won that trade.
They got Goff though. So it's a Pyrrhic victory at best
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on January 31, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 31, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
2 first round draft picks as well in the deal. The Lions won that trade.

Yeah it was so expensive for the Rams because of Goffs contract
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 07, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
I see Chris Wesseling from Around The NFL podcast & NFL.com has died from cancer aged 46. He always seemed like a good spud and was well worth a listen to
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2021, 12:51:38 AM
Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski too hot to handle thus far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2021, 12:58:42 AM
Big test for Mahomes!

TB's defence are playing very well and KC's is woeful. They'll need to sort that and the penalty count if they want to give Mahomes a chance.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 08, 2021, 01:02:03 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 08, 2021, 12:58:42 AM
Big test for Mahomes!

TB's defence are playing very well and KC's is woeful. They'll need to sort that and the penalty count if they want to give Mahomes a chance.

And the officials ffs, terrible holding call on the INT
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2021, 01:13:28 AM
Officials appear to be riding KC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on February 08, 2021, 01:14:20 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2021, 01:13:28 AM
Officials appear to be riding KC.

Hard
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dublin7 on February 08, 2021, 01:21:06 AM
Based on what? Tyrann Mathieu had lost all self control by the end of the half. He's lucky it's half time and the coaching staff can maybe get his head back in the game.

Clear hold for the interception and a blatant trip for the last penalty for pass interference. Even the former official on commentary called it as a penalty
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2021, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 08, 2021, 01:21:06 AM
Based on what? Tyrann Mathieu had lost all self control by the end of the half. He's lucky it's half time and the coaching staff can maybe get his head back in the game.

Clear hold for the interception and a blatant trip for the last penalty for pass interference. Even the former official on commentary called it as a penalty
On that last call he was holding his position not the player. Very harsh. #StopTheSteal
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 01:32:39 AM
Quote from: Minder on February 08, 2021, 01:14:20 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2021, 01:13:28 AM
Officials appear to be riding KC.

Hard

KC are riding themselves mostly and then refs are compounding it. The two big calls (hold on the INT) and PI on Honey Badger in the end zone were bullshit.

The Breeland one on Evans was definitely PI, the office on the field goal (by an absolute mile) was preposterous and the hold on the punt all self inflicted.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 01:33:28 AM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2021, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 08, 2021, 01:21:06 AM
Based on what? Tyrann Mathieu had lost all self control by the end of the half. He's lucky it's half time and the coaching staff can maybe get his head back in the game.

Clear hold for the interception and a blatant trip for the last penalty for pass interference. Even the former official on commentary called it as a penalty
On that last call he was holding his position not the player. Very harsh. #StopTheSteal

I think he means the one on Evans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 01:39:32 AM
Mahomes a bottle job so far, Brady showing him how it's done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 01:45:27 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 01:39:32 AM
Mahomes a bottle job so far, Brady showing him how it's done.

Yes, it's Mahomes killing the Chiefs here, with all the turnovers he's giving up, sacks he's giving up, passes he's dropping...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 01:56:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 01:45:27 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 01:39:32 AM
Mahomes a bottle job so far, Brady showing him how it's done.

Yes, it's Mahomes killing the Chiefs here, with all the turnovers he's giving up, sacks he's giving up, passes he's dropping...
You forgot about his incompletes too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: marty34 on February 08, 2021, 02:01:05 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 01:56:46 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 01:45:27 AM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 01:39:32 AM
Mahomes a bottle job so far, Brady showing him how it's done.

Yes, it's Mahomes killing the Chiefs here, with all the turnovers he's giving up, sacks he's giving up, passes he's dropping...
You forgot about his incompletes too.

I thought he was doing ok - the lads couldn't catch the ball.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 08, 2021, 02:03:28 AM
It's really the defences that are deciding the game. KC's is terrible and Buccs are excellent!!!

The Buccs offense are playing well too but they shouldn't be dominating like this in a Superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: marty34 on February 08, 2021, 02:05:47 AM
Is that astroturf?

Plus how could players focus with that half-time show going on?

Imagine that at Croke Park?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2021, 02:13:32 AM
This is simliar to the Seahawks against Broncos final.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dublin7 on February 08, 2021, 02:17:08 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2021, 02:13:32 AM
This is simliar to the Seahawks against Broncos final.

KC in big trouble. Mahomes has to throw the ball now, but his offensive line is getting killed so he has no time to set up the big plays they usually have
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 02:21:36 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on February 08, 2021, 02:17:08 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2021, 02:13:32 AM
This is simliar to the Seahawks against Broncos final.

KC in big trouble. Mahomes has to throw the ball now, but his offensive line is getting killed so he has no time to set up the big plays they usually have

Not saying the game would look too different but the loss of Schwartz and Fisher is killing them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on February 08, 2021, 02:29:50 AM
Ball burst .. game over. Mahomes lack of protection and his turf toe is killing KC
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 02:31:24 AM
Absolute bottle job from Mahomes there. Scrambling for his life on every play, gets it away while about to get sacked on 4th AND he didn't run up the field to catch the ball himself. Coward.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dublin7 on February 08, 2021, 02:45:04 AM
The throws Mahomes made on 3rd & 4th down were insane. Falling to the ground and he's throwing darts. The one on 4th
down should have been caught.

TB only have 2 sacks, but that doesn't tell the story. He'll be doing well just to finish the game without getting hurt. TB lineman are just hunting him down now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on February 08, 2021, 02:53:06 AM
Mahomes like a deer in the headlights here. Tampa better all over the field. The so-called experts haven't a clue
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2021, 02:53:51 AM
Mahomes so indecisive tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 03:07:54 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 08, 2021, 02:53:51 AM
Mahomes so indecisive tonight.

What
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 08, 2021, 05:19:54 AM
The game was won as they say in the trenches! The chiefs OL simply couldnt handle that Buccs front 4 , and that was with Bowles only sending 4 blitz's. Mahomes rarely got his feet set tonight . Eric Harris was a huge loss for the Chiefs . Brady is some cat, they wont be easy stopped next year either....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 08, 2021, 08:05:55 AM
Eric Fisher.

Eric Harris was, I think, one of the Columbine shooters
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 08, 2021, 04:50:14 PM
correct! my bad
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 08, 2021, 06:51:42 PM
Mahomes was badly let down.
The protection he got was non existent during the whole game.
Some of those dropped passes are inexcusable.

Bucs D was exceptional - double coverage on Hill took away Mahomes going long.
Kelce was marshalled very well throughout.

Brady wasnt outstanding - more competent I would say.
He has however seems to have a fantastic team spirit going in Tampa.

He got fantastic protection.

Be interesting to see if the Chiefs team stick together
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 09, 2021, 10:42:05 AM
The buccs D had brought that same pressure to Brees and Rodgers in the playoffs so I suppose that was to be expected again.  The Chiefs really struggled at the O Line.

I found the flags very frustrating all evening.  Minimal reasons for pass interference in my opinion.  Looking at what was allowed during the NFC and AFC championship games and what was not allowed in the Superbowl, it's chalk and cheese.  Throw in the non call for the false start by Gronk and it doesn't make good viewing.

That being said, Tampa were the best team on both sides of the ball and deserved winners.  Such an improvement on how that team started out the season.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 01, 2021, 05:54:31 PM
There ya go @AZOffaly

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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2021, 09:51:18 PM
Drew Brees has retired

Tom Brady extended for 4 years
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 15, 2021, 10:33:03 AM
Good luck to Drew, but IMO the time is right.  A legend gone.

The Saints are in the sh*t in terms of cap space and have been cutting lads and restructuring contracts for the last few weeks.  I still expect some big departures.  Probably Michael Thomas.  No idea what they are going to do at QB now.  Taysom Hill got a restructured deal but i'd be surprised if they start the season with him as starting QB.  Same probably goes for Jameis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on March 15, 2021, 12:02:30 PM
Time was right. Injuries and age really caught up with him in playoff games the last 2 seasons and he looked like an old man at times

They will be fine re the cap, its like a yearly challenge with them. Only 9m over at the moment and bar Malcolm Brown it hasn't been too painful. Thomas just restructured deal so he is staying.
I expect Kamara to do the same.  Hill could play more at TE this season than QB with Cook and Josh Hill gone. 
Jameis is still front runner to start at QB but they should be drafting one with their 1st round pick. Russell Wilson as much as I would love it to happen would be too expensive.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on March 15, 2021, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: Rossie11 on March 15, 2021, 12:02:30 PM
Time was right. Injuries and age really caught up with him in playoff games the last 2 seasons and he looked like an old man at times

They will be fine re the cap, its like a yearly challenge with them. Only 9m over at the moment and bar Malcolm Brown it hasn't been too painful. Thomas just restructured deal so he is staying.
I expect Kamara to do the same.  Hill could play more at TE this season than QB with Cook and Josh Hill gone. 
Jameis is still front runner to start at QB but they should be drafting one with their 1st round pick. Russell Wilson as much as I would love it to happen would be too expensive.

I missed that one!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Rossie11 on March 15, 2021, 01:25:58 PM
After the season he had it was touch and go for a while..
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2021, 04:46:57 PM
The NFL draft is tonight. The Jaguars are picking first and will Take Trevor Lawrence from Clemson at quarterback. The rest of the draft is unpredictable and will make for a great late nights entertainment.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2021, 09:08:39 PM
Aaron Rodgers wants to leave the Packers according to reports. He is still understandably not happy that they tried to replace him in last years draft.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on April 29, 2021, 09:14:31 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 29, 2021, 09:08:39 PM
Aaron Rodgers wants to leave the Packers according to reports. He is still understandably not happy that they tried to replace him in last years draft.

Yeah he is also looking for an extension (more money) so I think it's also partly that but when they traded up for Love this was on the cards, didn't think it would be this year though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on April 29, 2021, 10:41:28 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 29, 2021, 04:46:57 PM
The NFL draft is tonight. The Jaguars are picking first and will Take Trevor Lawrence from Clemson at quarterback. The rest of the draft is unpredictable and will make for a great late nights entertainment.

I saw some predictions having Fields available around 9th position. I'd be very surprised at that...

Gonna be an interesting weekend.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on April 30, 2021, 02:17:28 AM
49ers taking a huge swing with trey lance
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 30, 2021, 04:17:54 AM
Patriots took Mac Jones at 15. It will be interesting to see who does better between Lance and Jones. Lance will have a good team around him and no excuses.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on April 30, 2021, 09:23:04 AM
I'd say the Green Bay telephone is red hot with enquiries about Rodgers anyway.  Is it just me or does he always seem to make noises on draft weekend. Drafting a CB probably hasn't excited him either.

Giants allow the Bears to move up and get Fields. I wonder what Dalton thinks of that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 30, 2021, 10:00:13 AM
I would say Rodgers is pissed that GB dont look to move up and draft a wide receiver
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 08, 2021, 03:18:28 PM
So looks like the Nets are gonna walk the NBA playoffs, Clippers maybe equipped to live with them in the Finals but that's about it I would think
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 03:23:21 PM
Quote from: Minder on June 08, 2021, 03:18:28 PM
So looks like the Nets are gonna walk the NBA playoffs, Clippers maybe equipped to live with them in the Finals but that's about it I would think

Do you not think the Suns stand a chance?

P.S. I bet 100euros on Nets @ 7/1 at start of year, just looking to know how safe my money is lol
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2021, 03:44:06 PM
Clippers who struggled in 7 against Dallas, will have it tough as well against the Jazz.

I like the Suns but just can't see them overcoming the Nets if they even got there. Booker would need to score ridiculous points to keep them in touch
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: KickItInAndStartClapping on June 08, 2021, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 08, 2021, 03:44:06 PM
Clippers who struggled in 7 against Dallas, will have it tough as well against the Jazz.

I like the Suns but just can't see them overcoming the Nets if they even got there. Booker would need to score ridiculous points to keep them in touch

Suns are a good side with a good leader
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 08, 2021, 07:07:41 PM
What the Nets are doing to Giannis and the Bucks is incredible. I know there's an asterisk because of the bubble but the Heat made the finals last year and the Bucks absolutely wiped the floor with them.

Nets probably couldn't have dreamed of getting this much production out of the ghost of Blake Griffin.

People shouldn't sleep on Philly or the Jazz. Mitchell is a really, really special player.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on June 08, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
Quote from: gallsman on June 08, 2021, 07:07:41 PM
What the Nets are doing to Giannis and the Bucks is incredible. I know there's an asterisk because of the bubble but the Heat made the finals last year and the Bucks absolutely wiped the floor with them.

Nets probably couldn't have dreamed of getting this much production out of the ghost of Blake Griffin.

People shouldn't sleep on Philly or the Jazz. Mitchell is a really, really special player.
The Heat were a good way short of last years team. The trade for Olapido backfired for them because of injury (and it could have a been a great trade). The Bucs were meant to have learned from last year but the Nets (without Harden) are killing them. The Nets are loaded and its hard to see anyone beating them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 08, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Will Lebron move on for pastures new, in the hope of getting one more ring? AD is too injury prone and even with him, they don't have enough.

The brother-in-law heard a rumour of him moving to the Warriors (pinch of salt needed!)...Curry, Lebron, Green, Clay & Wisemen may be enough to put it up to the Nets!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on June 08, 2021, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 08, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
Will Lebron move on for pastures new, in the hope of getting one more ring? AD is too injury prone and even with him, they don't have enough.

The brother-in-law heard a rumour of him moving to the Warriors (pinch of salt needed!)...Curry, Lebron, Green, Clay & Wisemen may be enough to put it up to the Nets!

LBJ under contract with the Lakers until at least 2022/23, you would think his time may be almost up when that contract is up
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 08, 2021, 11:30:29 PM
Jokic named MVP. Thoroughly deserved. Lowest draft pick in history (41) to win it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 12, 2021, 05:32:35 AM
Suns looking good here. Pity for Denver that Murray isn't fit, had a great play offs last year.

Jazz looking too strong for the Clips...Mitchell playing some stuff.

East is done. Nets to beat the Bucks in 5 and most likely 6ers in 5 maybe 6.

Be interesting to see if the Suns or Jazz have enough to put it up to them. It will take Booker or Mitchell to put up extraordinary numbers 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on June 14, 2021, 02:56:50 PM
Nets and Bucks far from done. Harden didnt play last night , Kyrie left the game with an ankle injury.....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 16, 2021, 11:26:38 AM
Kevin Durant, man.

49-10-17. All 48 minutes. Safe to say he's put the Achilles tear behind him. All time great.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 21, 2021, 10:53:25 PM
https://www.outsports.com/2021/6/21/22544294/raiders-player-carl-nassib-gay-nfl-coming-out

good for him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on July 01, 2021, 05:17:38 AM
Chris Paul's Suns close out LA Clippers. 

I've only been watching since 99, but these have been the best playoffs I've seen.  Fantastic viewing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: shark on July 01, 2021, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 01, 2021, 05:17:38 AM
Chris Paul's Suns close out LA Clippers. 

I've only been watching since 99, but these have been the best playoffs I've seen.  Fantastic viewing.

Agreed. All of the final 8 had a realistic shot at the championship. Injuries have made it so unpredictable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Minder on July 01, 2021, 09:51:57 AM
Quote from: shark on July 01, 2021, 09:13:32 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 01, 2021, 05:17:38 AM
Chris Paul's Suns close out LA Clippers. 

I've only been watching since 99, but these have been the best playoffs I've seen.  Fantastic viewing.

Agreed. All of the final 8 had a realistic shot at the championship. Injuries have made it so unpredictable.

Would have been even better if the injured players could have played, I know injuries happen but the Suns v Clippers series would have been even better with Kawhi Leonard, Suns v Lakers with Davis, Nets with Irving & Harden.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on July 01, 2021, 06:57:23 PM
Yeah, unusual amount of stars being injured this time out.  Actually may have made some of the series more competitive though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2021, 03:02:48 AM
Unfortunate injury to Trae Young (stepped on an umpire's foot and turned his ankle) meant the final two games of the series kind of fizzled out.  Atlanta will be a fun team to watch for the next few years if they can keep that team together.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 05, 2021, 05:49:03 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2021, 03:02:48 AM
Unfortunate injury to Trae Young (stepped on an umpire's foot and turned his ankle) meant the final two games of the series kind of fizzled out.  Atlanta will be a fun team to watch for the next few years if they can keep that team together.

He was back for Game 6 and looked ok. Milwaukee can survive for a few games without Giannis, but Trae is Atlanta at the minute. Lots of potential in them though.

Can't see the Bucks stopping the Suns unless Giannis is a healthy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on July 05, 2021, 04:16:20 PM
He was on the court for game 6, but he was far from OK.  He had no lift in his shots, and passed off when he had open jumpers, which is pretty unusual for him.  Hadn't the same influence at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 10:36:17 AM
looks like the bucks gonna take it home then...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on July 20, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
I know absolutely nothing about Basketball but i have been seeing quite a few comments about the Bucks on my twitter.  They've the same owners as Villa and thus people have drawn hopeful comparisons of how they kept their star player and progressed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: AnGaelGearmanach on July 20, 2021, 11:53:52 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 20, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
I know absolutely nothing about Basketball but i have been seeing quite a few comments about the Bucks on my twitter.  They've the same owners as Villa and thus people have drawn hopeful comparisons of how they kept their star player and progressed.

their star player Giannis won 2 MVPs on the bounce after terrific seasons but never stepped up come crunch time. has been playing out of his skin dragging a just decent bucks side. their opponents the suns have done well also with Chris paul at the helm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 21, 2021, 05:23:04 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 20, 2021, 11:19:21 AM
I know absolutely nothing about Basketball but i have been seeing quite a few comments about the Bucks on my twitter.  They've the same owners as Villa and thus people have drawn hopeful comparisons of how they kept their star player and progressed.

Well Giannis won it for them tonight with a 50 point game. Thought the Suns had it when they went 2 up, but Giannis obviously wasn't fully fit and he showed his dominance in the last 4 averaged 37 points a game.

Grealish has a lot to live up to!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 21, 2021, 08:07:57 AM
50 point game to win it and just bullied the Suns inside and outside all night long. Delighted for him and the Bucks after some of the nonsense they've been on the receiving end of the last few years.

Gianni's might be the singularly most athletic human being I've ever seen. The combination of size, speed, strength, agility, balance, grace etc. He's an absolute specimen in every way.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 10, 2021, 09:39:49 AM
Brady was unbelievable again last night wasnt he.  Man just doesnt get old.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 12, 2021, 10:06:20 PM
The refs beat the vikings tonight. They wouldn't overturn a bad decision of a fumble in overtime to hand the game to the Bengals. I am fuming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 12, 2021, 11:56:36 PM
Decent game! 2 QBs at the height of their powers... what happened to the Packers??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 13, 2021, 09:54:59 AM
There looks to be problems at the pack.  Rodgers hooked. Threw two interceptions but all in all, the options down the field looked limited, with Adams mostly well marshalled.  The Saints were able to get decent pressure on him too.

I thought Jameis did well too.  He was able to run and move up in the pocket when required and could throw the deep ball.  Something the Saints have been missing for a few years.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 20, 2021, 02:07:38 AM
Vikings miss a 37 yard last second field goal to win at Arizona.

The Saints and Jameis Winston came back down to earth with a bump losing 26-7 at the panthers. This is the real Jameis Winston I think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on September 20, 2021, 11:18:26 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 20, 2021, 02:07:38 AM
Vikings miss a 37 yard last second field goal to win at Arizona.

The Saints and Jameis Winston came back down to earth with a bump losing 26-7 at the panthers. This is the real Jameis Winston I think.

Excuses flying round about the offensive staff all missing due to covid.  i would say you are more accurate with it being the real Jameis.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 21, 2021, 11:12:24 AM
Jameis definitely looked more like his old self. Couldn't resist an ill-judged heave.

Derrick Henry is a monster.

Lamar is a generational talent and anyone who says otherwise has nothing to point to other than race, exposing themselves for what we all know then to be.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on September 21, 2021, 12:55:40 PM
Quote from: gallsman on September 21, 2021, 11:12:24 AM
Jameis definitely looked more like his old self. Couldn't resist an ill-judged heave.

Derrick Henry is a monster.

Lamar is a generational talent and anyone who says otherwise has nothing to point to other than race, exposing themselves for what we all know then to be.
I think Lamar is great but he did throw a couple really bad INT's there too. I suppose it depends on your definition of generational. You'd have to have him behind Mahomes but he's definitely one of the top QB's of this generation. That was a great game to watch.

We've been spoiled having Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers all at the top for quite some time there. Be interesting to see how things play out once the last of those stops playing. I think we've more exciting QB's to watch now and the standard is generally higher without quite being at the same level at the very top.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on September 21, 2021, 01:43:19 PM
Lamar is probably the greatest rushing QB of all time. But until he gets the Ravens over the line in a genuinely big game or two, where the QB is the reason why, then he can't described as a generational talent in that position.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on September 21, 2021, 03:26:56 PM
Sunday night was a big win for Lamar. He needed that one. I don't watch college football much but when I heard of some of the pinball numbers he was putting up I followed him for a while. The talent is outrageous. I think he's getting there as a thrower but not as good as the top throwers just yet. Unmatched as a runner ever though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on September 21, 2021, 03:50:00 PM
Raiders 2-0...what could go wrong?!!

Also Fresno State beat UCLA. They probably should've beat Oregon as well, who beat Ohio State, again...what could go wrong!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on September 26, 2021, 07:49:02 PM
Chiefs struggling against the Chargers in Kansas. 14-3 down into the second half.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 26, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on September 26, 2021, 07:49:02 PM
Chiefs struggling against the Chargers in Kansas. 14-3 down into the second half.

Level at the 2min warning should be a good finish!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 26, 2021, 09:53:11 PM
Herbert is absolutely awesome. Overcame so absolutely brutal play calling. I sing6 think they'll win the West or anything but they're moving in the right direction at last. Plenty of talent, both young and veteran, on both sides of the ball.

Ravens stealing a win in Detroit with a record setting 66 yard walk-off FG was crazy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2021, 06:03:00 PM
Redzone is brilliant.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 12, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
Jon Gruden has resigned as head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. He made racist and homophobic comments in e mails about 10 years ago that were published in the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on October 12, 2021, 02:31:10 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 10, 2021, 06:03:00 PM
Redzone is brilliant.

The 4 games up and field goals going everywhere but between the sticks was great viewing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 12, 2021, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 12, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
Jon Gruden has resigned as head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. He made racist and homophobic comments in e mails about 10 years ago that were published in the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.

Not that it matters, but his emails and pronouncements go from 2010 to 2018.

At least he felt sufficient shame to resign.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on October 13, 2021, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2021, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 12, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
Jon Gruden has resigned as head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. He made racist and homophobic comments in e mails about 10 years ago that were published in the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.

Not that it matters, but his emails and pronouncements go from 2010 to 2018.

At least he felt sufficient shame to resign.
victimless crime how many wife/ girlfriend beaters are still playing?
One well known qb has 24 sexual assault allegations against him and is still eligible to play .
Thought crimes by a white coach are much worse
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 18, 2021, 09:43:16 AM
The cowboys struggled to beat the Patriots eventually getting there in overtime. The cowboys are 5-1.

The vikings get to 3-3 with an overtime victory over the Panthers 34-28.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 19, 2021, 10:40:41 AM
Derrick muthafuckin' Henry. Preposterous.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on October 19, 2021, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Gmac on October 13, 2021, 07:27:47 PM
Quote from: J70 on October 12, 2021, 03:24:02 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 12, 2021, 01:11:31 PM
Jon Gruden has resigned as head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders. He made racist and homophobic comments in e mails about 10 years ago that were published in the Wall Street Journal and New York Times.

Not that it matters, but his emails and pronouncements go from 2010 to 2018.

At least he felt sufficient shame to resign.
victimless crime how many wife/ girlfriend beaters are still playing?
One well known qb has 24 sexual assault allegations against him and is still eligible to play .
Thought crimes by a white coach are much worse

Should have known you'd be the one to jump to his defence. ;D ::)

First, he put his "thoughts" into words. Repeatedly, over many years. Second, who are you to say there were no victims? Can you say Gruden didn't deny opportunities to or unfairly treat players and staff over the years on account of his racist and homophobic attitudes?

As for the whataboutery, fair point. The NFL, like so many major organizations and corporations, has double standards and only moves, very slowly and belatedly, on these types of issues when societal attitudes and pressure reaches a certain point. You'll get absolutely no objection from me, only laudatory applause, if and when the NFL starts reacting appropriately to all kinds of player misconduct off the field.

One is forced to wonder, however, why the two dozen charges of sexual misconduct don't bother you when it comes to certain other individuals?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on October 24, 2021, 08:19:57 PM
What is wrong with the Chiefs this year? They were just about the best team over the last three years with the amazing Pat Mahomes at quarterback. Now they are about to go to 3-4 losing badly to the Titans.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 01, 2021, 05:34:06 PM
Derrick Henry's broken foot is a tragedy for the league and football fans. Didn't break 100 yards the last couple of weeks but back to back 2,000 yard seasons and the single season record were definitely on the line.

He could be back for the playoffs if the Titans make it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 01, 2021, 09:11:59 PM
Jameis winston the saints qb is gone for the season too. That should be the end of them as a threat. Although they did ok against the Bucs without him.

The vikings who couldn't beat the cowboys with Cooper Rush at quarterback will now be without Danielle Hunter their standout defensive end. He tore his pectoral muscle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on November 02, 2021, 06:52:48 AM
Saints just did OK against the bucs?? They bloody beat them!! Watching Brady throw that pick 6 at the end was beautiful!  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 02, 2021, 10:16:11 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 01, 2021, 09:11:59 PM
Jameis winston the saints qb is gone for the season too. That should be the end of them as a threat. Although they did ok against the Bucs without him.

The vikings who couldn't beat the cowboys with Cooper Rush at quarterback will now be without Danielle Hunter their standout defensive end. He tore his pectoral muscle.

Their threat so far this season has been quality defence and getting the ball to Kamara.  I think even i might jus be able to get the ball 5 yards to Kamara. That being said, they arent good enouh to be considered a threat in my opinion. And i hope i am incorrect.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 02, 2021, 06:43:42 PM
Raiders' disappointing 2020 first round pick WR Henry Ruggs III to be charged with DUI resulting in death.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 03, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Ruggs has now been cut by the raiders. It looks like he will be serving a few years in prison.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 05, 2021, 06:07:30 PM
Maybe we all owe seanie an apology

An absolute car crash of an interview from Aaron Rodgers

https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1456669682686218256
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 06, 2021, 06:42:09 PM
Rodgers has gone down in my estimation because of the latest covid non vaccination/immunisation controversy. I spend time on a minnesota Vikings fan message board and they never liked Rodgers and are always putting him down as a character or player. I assumed this was because he was the rival Green Bay Packers quarterback and he wasn't really all that bad and a top player. After this latest controversy I am beginning to think Rodgers is the lousy character some diehard viking fans claim he is.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on November 14, 2021, 01:01:48 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 06, 2021, 06:42:09 PM
Rodgers has gone down in my estimation because of the latest covid non vaccination/immunisation controversy. I spend time on a minnesota Vikings fan message board and they never liked Rodgers and are always putting him down as a character or player. I assumed this was because he was the rival Green Bay Packers quarterback and he wasn't really all that bad and a top player. After this latest controversy I am beginning to think Rodgers is the lousy character some diehard viking fans claim he is.
he's back tomorrow
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on November 14, 2021, 02:05:55 AM
Typical capt ppat.The left lovers will have us all down the covid pass route where your have no anaminity over your own medical status. Southern America is thriving just like Sweden but yet the euro Nazis want you in masks and needling yourself 4 times a year plus poisoning your kids who are low and behold zero.zero zero 9 % of dying yet they have a 5% of enlarged heart
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 15, 2021, 02:07:16 AM
Are you having a stroke?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on November 21, 2021, 09:55:15 PM
The Texans beat the number one seeded Titans in Tennessee in the upset of the year in the AFC.

The Vikings beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers 34-31 in a thriller in Minnesota.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on November 22, 2021, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on November 21, 2021, 09:55:15 PM
The Texans beat the number one seeded Titans in Tennessee in the upset of the year in the AFC.

The Vikings beat Aaron Rodgers and the Packers 34-31 in a thriller in Minnesota.

No Henry, no party.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on November 23, 2021, 12:05:12 PM
Good to see Brady stretching his legs last night.

He is some sportsman
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on December 10, 2021, 09:41:49 AM
Demaryius Thomas passed away. Only 33. Had a few great seasons there with the Broncos, especially with Manning at QB. 5x Pro Bowler and 1x Super Bowl. Too young.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 03, 2022, 12:13:01 AM
Raiders/Chargers next week is gonna be a humdinger.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Watcher on January 03, 2022, 02:30:55 AM
Go eagles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 04, 2022, 07:43:02 AM
Quote from: ONeill on January 03, 2022, 12:13:01 AM
Raiders/Chargers next week is gonna be a humdinger.

Married into a Raiders family...you know its going to end badly
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on January 09, 2022, 09:43:25 PM
Are the Steelers through?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 09, 2022, 09:44:49 PM
If there's a draw in the late game, no. Otherwise yes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 09, 2022, 11:18:31 PM
What happened if three a draw in the raiders game?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 09, 2022, 11:19:42 PM
Raiders and Chargers could both go through with a convenient tie
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 10, 2022, 02:49:30 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2022, 11:19:42 PM
Raiders and Chargers could both go through with a convenient tie

That's what I thought but Raiders would have to play the chiefs so drawing and losing basically has the same outcome.

Good game so far
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 10, 2022, 05:19:01 AM
Well that game was a bit good...never seen so many 4th down completions in my life!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 10, 2022, 06:52:27 AM
That timeout call at the end I sorta understood at the time. Carr now says it changed their mindset. They were always going to go for a field goal? He wasn't gonna spike it,  was he?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 10, 2022, 09:36:18 AM
Needed the Rams to get over the line so the Saints could make the playoffs but no joy.  In truth, from about 15mins onwards i thought the 9ers were much the better side.  Samuel was very hard to deal with.

NFC is wide open i think.  Chiefs look hot in the AFC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 10, 2022, 02:33:04 PM
Head coach Mike Zimmer and General manager Rick Spielman have been fired by the Vikings.

Matt Nagy the Bears head coach has also just been fired.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 10, 2022, 03:23:44 PM
Brian Flores sacked by the Dolphins, somewhat of a surprise. Maybe Ross has Harbaugh lined up with the Michigan connections.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 10, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on January 10, 2022, 03:23:44 PM
Brian Flores sacked by the Dolphins, somewhat of a surprise. Maybe Ross has Harbaugh lined up with the Michigan connections.

That's a shock to me.  There was progress there.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 10, 2022, 06:29:35 PM
Watched the last quarter of the 49ners game v Rams, I'm not a big fan of NFL but it was an enjoyable period. Though I went to bed and didn't bother for the overtime  ;D
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2022, 12:36:02 AM
Cowboys v 49ers is a classic.

9ers should have been out of sight by HT but momentum has fully changed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 17, 2022, 12:38:33 AM
Jesus how frustrating must it be for Cowboys fans to watch the team foul their way to a loss!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 17, 2022, 01:00:21 AM
What a comical let 5 mins. Cowboys' penalty count ridiculous. 9ers got strangely very nervous on offence after their defence lost a couple of key men.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 23, 2022, 12:23:12 AM
Joe Burrow getting some pasting here he needs to get the ball out quicker. Would be some feature  for them to win this game with him suffering 9+ sacks!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 23, 2022, 12:33:19 AM
Some finish!! Fair play to the Bengals
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2022, 12:41:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2022, 12:33:19 AM
Some finish!! Fair play to the Bengals

Having not watched a lot, would that kick be a high percentage shot? As in difficult?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 23, 2022, 04:25:45 AM
LOL Rodgers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: omochain on January 23, 2022, 05:02:19 AM
Niners survive the cold... severe cold.... Just
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 23, 2022, 12:59:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2022, 12:41:01 AM
Quote from: screenexile on January 23, 2022, 12:33:19 AM
Some finish!! Fair play to the Bengals

Having not watched a lot, would that kick be a high percentage shot? As in difficult?

Somewhere in the region of 80%-90% range depending on the kicker. They were the only team to draft a kicker in the '21 draft.

Niners D and ST grinding out a win, Rodgers never exploited the weak corners after the first drive. Jimmy always looks like a deer in headlights and I've no faith in him. Still two 1 seeds gone on the same day. Would be great to see the Bils and Rams win today
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 23, 2022, 09:45:01 PM
The Rams are bullying the Bucs in the first half. The Rams lead 20-3 at the half. It could and should have been worse.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2022, 11:12:57 PM
NFL playoffs are right up there with the greatest sporting entertainment of all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 23, 2022, 11:19:52 PM
Serious entertainment 27-3 they were down!!

What a game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 23, 2022, 11:21:46 PM
Brady's offensive line has been exceptional this quarter but it's mainly just the sight of TB in a hurry has turned the Rams into a quivering mess.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 23, 2022, 11:27:37 PM
Rams find a way to win after almost blowing it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 23, 2022, 11:28:48 PM
3 walkoff FGs in 3 games.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 23, 2022, 11:36:48 PM
Finally the play offs catch fire. The other games were dour. This was brilliant.

Might be it for Brady
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on January 24, 2022, 12:05:40 AM
unreal, classic nfl there
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 24, 2022, 02:42:28 AM
INSANE JUST INSANE STUFF
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2022, 02:46:43 AM
Maybe the greatest game of all time
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 24, 2022, 02:59:19 AM
Wow what a finish to that game. Was hoping for a buffalo win with Josh Allen being from the Central Valley but not to be
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 24, 2022, 03:01:38 AM
Topped the drama from the previous game. Mahomes some man for one man.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 24, 2022, 03:07:27 AM
Pity that it was decided by the toss of a coin. Two QB's at the peak of their games, could have gone all night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: NetNitrate on January 24, 2022, 03:27:55 AM
Brilliant game but a shocker for Buffalo to let Chiefs down the field with 13 seconds left. Their tackling was awful all night. It's a terrible overtime rule. Chiefs should win from here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 24, 2022, 07:19:02 AM
Those last 2 mins of regulation time were as crazy as you'll get.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 24, 2022, 11:59:53 AM
Wasn't able to hang on past the first half last night but watched the highlights there... WOW! 

You'll be hard pushed to find any better sporting moments this year than those last 2 minutes.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 24, 2022, 03:17:25 PM
What a weekend. Incredible stuff. Feel so sorry for the Bills but Chiefs deserved it just as much as them
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 24, 2022, 03:35:42 PM
4 absolutely brilliant games.  Top playoff weekend. 

Where does it leave it.  49ers v Rams is very evenly matched.  Their regular season game a few weeks ago was brilliant.

You'd maybe expect the Chiefs to win their game but no doubt that the bengals offence can get joy.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 24, 2022, 04:37:33 PM
Chiefs have to be clear favourites because they've got the most complete QB by a distance. And while it's very easy to see Burrow and Chase combining for 300 yards and multiple TDs, they probably need 500 yards and 5 TDs.

On paper Rams have more potential than 49ers  to give Chiefs a game in the Super Bowl, as I'm not sure even Mahomes gets away from their pass rush unscathed. But whereas Rams have all season seemed weaker than the sum of their parts, 49ers seem quite accepting that they've got more or less no QB and it seems to have galvanised them. As they showed against both Dallas and GB, their defence doesn't get flustered by big name QBs, and the 3 simple outs of Mitchell, Samuel and Kittle means that same D tends to get a long rest between drives.

I'm going for 49ers to win a low scoring SuperBowl over KC. There's just something wonderfully simple and efficient about how the 49ers play that could see them spoiling the party from here in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 24, 2022, 05:26:33 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 24, 2022, 04:37:33 PM
Chiefs have to be clear favourites because they've got the most complete QB by a distance. And while it's very easy to see Burrow and Chase combining for 300 yards and multiple TDs, they probably need 500 yards and 5 TDs.

On paper Rams have more potential than 49ers  to give Chiefs a game in the Super Bowl, as I'm not sure even Mahomes gets away from their pass rush unscathed. But whereas Rams have all season seemed weaker than the sum of their parts, 49ers seem quite accepting that they've got more or less no QB and it seems to have galvanised them. As they showed against both Dallas and GB, their defence doesn't get flustered by big name QBs, and the 3 simple outs of Mitchell, Samuel and Kittle means that same D tends to get a long rest between drives.

I'm going for 49ers to win a low scoring SuperBowl over KC. There's just something wonderfully simple and efficient about how the 49ers play that could see them spoiling the party from here in.

Cant see the Niners secondary being able to survive Stafford, they are far too weak even though the D line are able to get pressure on the QB. Jimmy is just not at this level. Niners have won both games against LA this season but they carried a lot of injuries. Rams by 5

Cant see the Bengals repeating the win against KC. So KC/Rams Super bowl with the Rams to win a shootout. I would prefer a Nicer/Bengals game with niners winning haha.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 24, 2022, 09:55:12 PM
Chiefs look to be favourites for the super bowl. However the way this season has gone any team can beat any other team on any given day. The 49ers were almost as good as the chiefs 2 years ago in the super bowl.  The 49ers had a lot of injury problems last year and were not as good. However they are back this year and could be the ones to trouble the chiefs most.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 26, 2022, 09:19:43 AM
Sean Payton stepping down from the Saints after 15 years.  End of am era there.  Lots of big changes coming into next season with a few teams in the hunt for a new HC.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 29, 2022, 07:39:51 PM
TB12 retiring
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2022, 07:41:54 PM
I'll believe it when he's not there WK1 in September.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2022, 09:42:21 PM
Apparently not retired or retiring just yet.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on January 30, 2022, 11:08:21 PM
Another overtime game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on January 30, 2022, 11:10:34 PM
Did Mahomes drink a bottle of whiskey at half time ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2022, 11:20:55 PM
21 to 3 ahead at home some collapse by the chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2022, 11:43:10 PM
Big shock there, Didn't turn up 2nf half
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 30, 2022, 11:44:36 PM
At least there can be no more real shocks.

Bengals defence kicked into gear after half time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on January 31, 2022, 03:51:45 AM
Taart dropping a dead bang INT didn't help. Play calling a run up the middle did not work all day, so Shanahan play calling always goes in the tank, he chokes. Our corners suck all year,  so finally taken to the cleaners, and Jimmy is not good enough
Was hoping for a repeat of '88

Hope the Bengals win now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 01, 2022, 02:48:28 PM
Tom Brady has officially announced his retirement from the NFL

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKhKzr1WUAAdbbf?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 02, 2022, 10:48:48 PM
Flores the black former Dolphins head coach is suing the NFL because it is racist. Apparently Belichek sent Flores a text mistakenly congratulating him on getting the giants head coach job. The text was supposed to be sent to Dabol(white) the Bills OC. Flores still had an interview with the Giants pending. He was not happy and still attended the Giants interview but obviously didn't get it.

In the NFL they have a rule called the Rooney rule which makes teams interview minority candidates for head coaching and general manager roles. it has long been said that it doesn't really help as teams just interview minority candidates without really considering them for the big jobs. Hence the reason for the Flores law suit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on February 13, 2022, 08:16:39 PM
Superbowl sunday ! Probably gonna be the hottest one on record . A lot of hype around the HT show , hope it delivers! I think the Rams by 10 with Von miller having a monster day with AD probably doubled all day ....
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 13, 2022, 08:51:01 PM
Would love to see bengals win , burrows needs to get rid of the ball quickly to neutralize rams d line
Bengals have edge with kicker and are good second half team , bengals by 3
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: southtyronegael on February 13, 2022, 09:05:36 PM
Is it live on BBC?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on February 13, 2022, 09:14:10 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 13, 2022, 09:05:36 PM
Is it live on BBC?

Yeah 11:30pm
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 14, 2022, 01:33:53 AM
Enjoyed that HT show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 14, 2022, 03:10:40 AM
Close game but Kupp and Donald the difference as was discussed at length before the game.

Really glad for Donald he's been one of the top men for years really deserves it!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 14, 2022, 04:01:00 AM
Rams alot of stars who turned up, Beckham getting injured blunted their attack. Plus with all the buys can't understand why they didn't pick up a great running bck, but the running plays were really poor, straight Dow. The middle most of the time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 14, 2022, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 14, 2022, 04:01:00 AM
Rams alot of stars who turned up, Beckham getting injured blunted their attack. Plus with all the buys can't understand why they didn't pick up a great running bck, but the running plays were really poor, straight Dow. The middle most of the time.

Because you don't spend money on RBs when there are literally undrafted players who can do the job 90% as well on 10% of the salary. Rams in particular know this after the contract they gave Gurley.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on February 14, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 14, 2022, 04:01:00 AM
Rams alot of stars who turned up, Beckham getting injured blunted their attack. Plus with all the buys can't understand why they didn't pick up a great running bck, but the running plays were really poor, straight Dow. The middle most of the time.
Drafted Cam Akers in 2nd, Darrell Henderson in 3rd and traded for Sony Michel. Despite the injuries there's enough talent there and not sure you'd want a team to invest more than that especially given how replaceable RB's are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Estimator on February 14, 2022, 09:51:21 AM
Boyds dropped catch was a killer. He might just have been short of first down, but the Bengals had already gone a couple of times on 4th down.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Dag Dog on February 14, 2022, 01:29:59 PM
Fell asleep before half time. Did I miss much?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 14, 2022, 01:51:55 PM
Quote from: Dag Dog on February 14, 2022, 01:29:59 PM
Fell asleep before half time. Did I miss much?

Not really.

Rams put together a good drive using Kupp as the receiver to win it in the last minute. Defenses were on top prior to that.

Half time show was decent enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 28, 2022, 03:40:53 PM
https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12554044/green-bay-packers-to-play-nfl-home-game-in-london-for-first-time-new-orleans-saints-jacksonville-jaguars-will-also-host-games-in-london-during-2022-season (https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12554044/green-bay-packers-to-play-nfl-home-game-in-london-for-first-time-new-orleans-saints-jacksonville-jaguars-will-also-host-games-in-london-during-2022-season)

Packers and Saints with home games in London this year.  Munich even getting a game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 28, 2022, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 28, 2022, 03:40:53 PM
https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12554044/green-bay-packers-to-play-nfl-home-game-in-london-for-first-time-new-orleans-saints-jacksonville-jaguars-will-also-host-games-in-london-during-2022-season (https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/12118/12554044/green-bay-packers-to-play-nfl-home-game-in-london-for-first-time-new-orleans-saints-jacksonville-jaguars-will-also-host-games-in-london-during-2022-season)

Packers and Saints with home games in London this year.  Munich even getting a game.

Could be two cracking games in London.
Should be good
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 08, 2022, 06:51:43 PM
Rodgers back with the Pack apparently in a massive deal

And Russell Wilson traded to the Broncos  :o
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 10, 2022, 10:10:34 PM
Looks like they have saved the baseball season

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33470321/sources-mlb-union-reach-tentative-agreement-new-cba-salvage-162-game-season

Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association reached a tentative agreement on a new collective-bargaining agreement Thursday, ending the league's 99-day lockout of the players and salvaging a 162-game season, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.
MLB had pushed for expanding the postseason to 12 teams -- a plan to which the MLBPA agreed. Additionally, player uniforms will feature advertising for the first time, with patches on jerseys and decals on batting helmets.

Other elements of the deal include:

• A 45-day window for MLB to implement rules changes -- among them a pitch clock, ban on shifts and larger bases in the 2023 season
• The National League adopting the designated hitter
• A draft lottery implemented with the intent of discouraging tanking
• Draft-pick inducements to discourage service-time manipulation
• Limiting the number of times a player can be optioned to the minor leagues in one season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 13, 2022, 11:30:07 PM
Brady has seen how terrible the NFC looks in 2022 and decided to give it another go.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 14, 2022, 09:38:34 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 29, 2022, 07:41:54 PM
I'll believe it when he's not there WK1 in September.

Inevitable.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 22, 2022, 06:40:53 AM
NBA playoffs heating up nicely.

Booker out for the Sun's kinda levels the playing field. Seems wide open right now. Warriors have Curry, Thompson, and Poole going off but Memphis and Morant should not be dismissed. Jazz have a well rounded team but yet find themselves 2-1 down to the Mac's with no Doncic

The East is wide open...Nets 2 down, Milwaukee have Middleton out, Heat looking good but the 6ers have Embid and Harden

Most open I can remember (in my 8 year experience).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 29, 2022, 12:10:34 AM
The NFL draft is on tonight. Who will go number 1? The favourite to go number one is Walker the defensive end from Georgia. Not my choice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on April 29, 2022, 12:23:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy--P-wkYQg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy--P-wkYQg)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 10, 2022, 11:23:00 PM
Jack del rio fined 100k for not having the correct opinion about 2020 summer riots , he will end up fired
Warriors in a spot of bother I think in nba finals, not sure they have the energy to match Boston
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 11, 2022, 05:06:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 10, 2022, 11:23:00 PM
Jack del rio fined 100k for not having the correct opinion about 2020 summer riots , he will end up fired
Warriors in a spot of bother I think in nba finals, not sure they have the energy to match Boston

Steph had the energy!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 11, 2022, 05:45:05 AM
That was a must win. Celtics have been relentless scoring 3 after 3 in massive times  in the game. I can only see this going to 7
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 13, 2022, 11:57:18 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on June 11, 2022, 05:06:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 10, 2022, 11:23:00 PM
Jack del rio fined 100k for not having the correct opinion about 2020 summer riots , he will end up fired
Warriors in a spot of bother I think in nba finals, not sure they have the energy to match Boston

Steph had the energy!
steph was unbelievable the last game best I ever saw him play , looking forward to tonight hopefully he plays like that again.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 14, 2022, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2022, 11:57:18 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on June 11, 2022, 05:06:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 10, 2022, 11:23:00 PM
Jack del rio fined 100k for not having the correct opinion about 2020 summer riots , he will end up fired
Warriors in a spot of bother I think in nba finals, not sure they have the energy to match Boston

Steph had the energy!
steph was unbelievable the last game best I ever saw him play , looking forward to tonight hopefully he plays like that again.

This season has been a slog for Steph, well, especially the second half. Think the 3 point record kinda knocked him off his stride and then found it hard to recover but the other night he was back to his best. Need Thompson to have some sort of game near is average. Plus Green was on some funk the other night...never imagined him being pulled in the stretch.

Don't think I watched a Boston game all season but have been very impressed by them...apart from the 4th the other night I've never seen a team (well maybe the warriors a few tears back) who can hit 3 and after 3 which would absolutely knock the stuffing out of you
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on June 14, 2022, 12:28:33 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 14, 2022, 12:20:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 13, 2022, 11:57:18 PM
Quote from: Muck Savage on June 11, 2022, 05:06:13 AM
Quote from: Gmac on June 10, 2022, 11:23:00 PM
Jack del rio fined 100k for not having the correct opinion about 2020 summer riots , he will end up fired
Warriors in a spot of bother I think in nba finals, not sure they have the energy to match Boston

Steph had the energy!
steph was unbelievable the last game best I ever saw him play , looking forward to tonight hopefully he plays like that again.

This season has been a slog for Steph, well, especially the second half. Think the 3 point record kinda knocked him off his stride and then found it hard to recover but the other night he was back to his best. Need Thompson to have some sort of game near is average. Plus Green was on some funk the other night...never imagined him being pulled in the stretch.

Don't think I watched a Boston game all season but have been very impressed by them...apart from the 4th the other night I've never seen a team (well maybe the warriors a few tears back) who can hit 3 and after 3 which would absolutely knock the stuffing out of you
Steph is a legend and I really hope he can get another ring. If he does he's a stick on for finals MVP was well. He's never won that.

Celtics were lucky enough to get past the Heat. Heat had a thin squad and the injuries killed them. Basketball is 5 a side so key injuries can really kill you. Having said that even if they don't win this year they'll be around for a few years - that's a young squad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 14, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
Wiggin's comes good (again) for the Warriors, with Curry having an off night...0-9 on 3's. Poole's buzzer beater at the end of the 3rd was massive...One more win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 14, 2022, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 14, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
Wiggin's comes good (again) for the Warriors, with Curry having an off night...0-9 on 3's. Poole's buzzer beater at the end of the 3rd was massive...One more win
superb from Wiggins, hoping for a game 7 to round off a nice Father's Day US open golf followed by game 7 and a win for the warriors , maybe a beer or 2 .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 14, 2022, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: Gmac on June 14, 2022, 03:47:22 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 14, 2022, 03:25:07 PM
Wiggin's comes good (again) for the Warriors, with Curry having an off night...0-9 on 3's. Poole's buzzer beater at the end of the 3rd was massive...One more win
superb from Wiggins, hoping for a game 7 to round off a nice Father's Day US open golf followed by game 7 and a win for the warriors , maybe a beer or 2 .

I'll take it in 6 but that sounds like a very pleasant Sunday!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on June 17, 2022, 06:32:00 AM
The Dubs!

4 of 8, 6 finals in 8 years. Worst team in the league 2 years ago. Delighted for Klay but I would look to offload him in order to keep Wiggins, without Wiggins they dont win this one.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 17, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
The "worst team in the league two years ago" bit, while true, is clearly a red herring. Klay was out, Steph played 5 games. If they kept the big three together and they were healthy, they were always going to be there or thereabouts. Now with Wiseman, Kuminga and Poole, they could be around for a few years yet.

The Wiggins trade has been a masterstroke alright.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on June 17, 2022, 02:51:25 PM
After a bad first 3 mins, Warriors never really had to get out of second gear. Hit their shots when they needed to but thought their defence was amazing.

Agree on Wiggin's, he's like a better Harrison Barnes. They have the perfect mix right now. The big 3, young guns like Poole, Wismen and Kuminga. Role players like GP2 and Looney. If they can kept that gang together they have a chance next year. I'm just glad the Mav's beat the Suns in the western semis.

Lots of ifs and buts...but the 4 from 6 could've really been 6. Draymond getting suspended for game 6 was it? Cost them dearly and then the brutal injuries to Klay and KD
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on June 17, 2022, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on June 17, 2022, 02:51:25 PM
After a bad first 3 mins, Warriors never really had to get out of second gear. Hit their shots when they needed to but thought their defence was amazing.

Agree on Wiggin's, he's like a better Harrison Barnes. They have the perfect mix right now. The big 3, young guns like Poole, Wismen and Kuminga. Role players like GP2 and Looney. If they can kept that gang together they have a chance next year. I'm just glad the Mav's beat the Suns in the western semis.

Lots of ifs and buts...but the 4 from 6 could've really been 6. Draymond getting suspended for game 6 was it? Cost them dearly and then the brutal injuries to Klay and KD
last Friday night broke the Celtics a game they looked like winning all along and would have put them up 3-1 and in drivers seat in series , curry wasn't going to let it happen and with help from Poole , draymond and Wiggins as well as looney rebounding ended up winning easy . Curry is something else.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on October 05, 2022, 02:22:58 PM
Anyone going over for the Giants/Packers game in London this week? In baseball news Aaron Judge finally made it to 62 home runs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: An Watcher on October 05, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
Do many actually do this? I've a bit if interest in the American football but would never really consider going over to a game.  Would much rather attend a GAA, soccer or rugby game.  Each to their own though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: stiffler on October 05, 2022, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 05, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
Do many actually do this? I've a bit if interest in the American football but would never really consider going over to a game.  Would much rather attend a GAA, soccer or rugby game.  Each to their own though.

Went to an eagles game a few wks ago, wasn't a big fan of nfl before hand but thought it was a great spectacle to see in person. The Americans do the thing 100%.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on October 05, 2022, 06:35:19 PM
Quote from: stiffler on October 05, 2022, 06:20:03 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on October 05, 2022, 03:26:14 PM
Do many actually do this? I've a bit if interest in the American football but would never really consider going over to a game.  Would much rather attend a GAA, soccer or rugby game.  Each to their own though.

Went to an eagles game a few wks ago, wasn't a big fan of nfl before hand but thought it was a great spectacle to see in person. The Americans do the thing 100%.
a lot of Americans are not big pub goers so the nfl game is a day out for them and the tailgate food and beer is often the highlight of game day , game itself is boring enough in person with lots of stoppages for tv but the few beers before hand definitely help the atmosphere.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on October 07, 2022, 10:57:29 PM
My American brother in law is in Ireland for a year. Does anyone know what the legal way to watch the baseball playoffs is?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 07, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: dec on October 07, 2022, 10:57:29 PM
My American brother in law is in Ireland for a year. Does anyone know what the legal way to watch the baseball playoffs is?

Sky had live baseball the other night. I'd assume they had the rights
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: markl121 on October 07, 2022, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 07, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: dec on October 07, 2022, 10:57:29 PM
My American brother in law is in Ireland for a year. Does anyone know what the legal way to watch the baseball playoffs is?

Sky had live baseball the other night. I'd assume they had the rights
im watching it right now on bt
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 08, 2022, 12:10:47 AM
Quote from: markl121 on October 07, 2022, 11:58:06 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on October 07, 2022, 11:02:17 PM
Quote from: dec on October 07, 2022, 10:57:29 PM
My American brother in law is in Ireland for a year. Does anyone know what the legal way to watch the baseball playoffs is?

Sky had live baseball the other night. I'd assume they had the rights
im watching it right now on bt

Actually it might have been BT I was watching on the sky box. Sorry
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 08, 2022, 12:52:06 AM
BT Sports 3... just watch the Blue Jays get their asses handed to them 🤦🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on October 08, 2022, 06:10:02 PM
He is in galway. Is BT available in the south.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: markl121 on October 09, 2022, 01:09:02 AM
This game tonight is mental. Seattle were 7 down
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on October 09, 2022, 01:24:21 AM
Quote from: markl121 on October 09, 2022, 01:09:02 AM
This game tonight is mental. Seattle were 7 down

I don't watch much baseball but the last innings from the Jays was all very soulless there seemed to be no emphasis on the importance of getting a score nobody talking or geeing the batters up?

Maybe that's how baseball is but found it strange. Ruthless too they're not long pulling a pitcher after a hit or 2!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 17, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
Good game last night between the Bills and Chiefs. Maybe not the blockbuster that was expected but decent nonetheless. Very hard to see how it's not the two of them back in the AFC Championship in a few months time. They're clearly way ahead of the pack in the AFC. Hard to see anyone who can stop the Eagles in the NFC. Everyone else firmly middle of the road.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: David McKeown on October 17, 2022, 08:02:52 PM
Quote from: gallsman on October 17, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
Good game last night between the Bills and Chiefs. Maybe not the blockbuster that was expected but decent nonetheless. Very hard to see how it's not the two of them back in the AFC Championship in a few months time. They're clearly way ahead of the pack in the AFC. Hard to see anyone who can stop the Eagles in the NFC. Everyone else firmly middle of the road.

Agreed about the AFC. The only issue about the Eagles is arguably the teams they have beaten. 4 of their 6 weeks have come against teams with losing records.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on October 17, 2022, 08:12:35 PM
It's going to be a very interesting season in the NFC. Eagles look in control without looking tested (it's hard to know) but the Vikings have a decent chance of overpowering a weak conference and securing a high seed. Can't rule out the Rams either. The AFC championship game though, that's the one we are all looking forward to already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on October 21, 2022, 08:45:17 AM
McCaffrey to the 9ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on October 22, 2022, 12:04:50 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 21, 2022, 08:45:17 AM
McCaffrey to the 9ers.

I have McCaffrey on my fantasy football team
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on October 22, 2022, 12:07:55 AM
Quote from: gallsman on October 21, 2022, 08:45:17 AM
McCaffrey to the 9ers.
the most injured team in the nfl getting an injury prone player , hopefully he's catching more out of backfield and not doing the dog work .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 07, 2022, 12:30:32 AM
Terrible game both sides complete dogshit on offence but that last drive from Brady was phenomenal.

6 dropped catches through the game with one dropped in the end zone and he still held it together for that 60 yd drive with no timeouts.

Both teams a long way to go to be SB contenders hard to see it really.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on November 07, 2022, 11:28:13 AM
That really was sensational last night at the end from Brady. He's amazingly as good as ever, if not better. It's just ridiculous. Receivers dropping balls all round him - contrast his reaction and the results with other QB's.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 13, 2022, 09:17:41 PM
Jesus Christ lads what the f**k was that???
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 13, 2022, 09:22:45 PM
Then they throw it all away 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 17, 2022, 10:59:49 PM
The Vikings beat the Colts tonight 39-36 in what was the biggest comeback in NFL history. The Vikings were down 33-0 at half time :D

The Vikings wrapped up the NFC North with that epic victory.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 17, 2022, 11:39:03 PM
No team should be giving up a 33pt lead. Even to get kicking distance and keep the game ticking over, very bck defense to give up 39pts on a half plus over.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on January 03, 2023, 02:21:34 AM
An awful situation in the Bills/Bengals game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 03, 2023, 02:36:00 AM
Doesn't look good there, tackle was normal enough though clash of heads. You think that game be cancelled but u never know with the Nfl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Of course the MAGA anti-vax ghouls were out in force. It always amazes me how un-Christian these GOP Christians are.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 03, 2023, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Of course the MAGA anti-vax ghouls were out in force. It always amazes me how un-Christian these GOP Christians are.
silly comment, hopefully the guy is ok
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 03, 2023, 03:25:24 PM
Very sad what happened to Hamlin. Hopefully he will be ok like Erikson.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 03, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Of course the MAGA anti-vax ghouls were out in force. It always amazes me how un-Christian these GOP Christians are.
Yes seen on social media this morning certainly deluded and deranged individuals blaming the collapse on taking the vaccine. Wishing Hamlin a speedy recovery.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on January 04, 2023, 01:24:40 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 03, 2023, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Of course the MAGA anti-vax ghouls were out in force. It always amazes me how un-Christian these GOP Christians are.
silly comment, hopefully the guy is ok

It's not a silly comment.

Those filth are out there, trying to scare people with baseless, conspiracy theory nonsense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 01:59:12 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2023, 01:24:40 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 03, 2023, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Of course the MAGA anti-vax ghouls were out in force. It always amazes me how un-Christian these GOP Christians are.
silly comment, hopefully the guy is ok

It's not a silly comment.

Those filth are out there, trying to scare people with baseless, conspiracy theory nonsense.
I was checking twitter for updates on the player and didn't see one thing about vaccines, if you go looking for it you will find it , concentrate on the player's health .
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on January 04, 2023, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 01:59:12 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2023, 01:24:40 AM
Quote from: Gmac on January 03, 2023, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 03, 2023, 01:26:50 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 03, 2023, 03:09:35 AM
He's in a critical condition in hospital. Watching it was just awful to see
Of course the MAGA anti-vax ghouls were out in force. It always amazes me how un-Christian these GOP Christians are.
silly comment, hopefully the guy is ok

It's not a silly comment.

Those filth are out there, trying to scare people with baseless, conspiracy theory nonsense.
I was checking twitter for updates on the player and didn't see one thing about vaccines, if you go looking for it you will find it , concentrate on the player's health .
I've seen lots of it and haven't been looking for it. It's absolutely disgusting and the original comment wasn't silly at all.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on January 04, 2023, 08:58:11 AM
Have also seen lots of anti vax comments.

But then that is what the US seems to be like - every single event is used to point score for either side (even worse than here in the North)
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 04, 2023, 12:54:53 PM
Hundreds of vaccine comments, in relation to the hit online. Pathetic, so I don't know what news feeds u check Gmac.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 03:27:02 PM
people like to wind up other people ! Who knew
Anti Covid vax
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on January 05, 2023, 09:55:17 PM
https://apnews.com/article/kansas-city-chiefs-buffalo-bills-cincinnati-bengals-sports-nfl-football-0aaf8589e7bc364a6625b19eb48f3233?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_03

AP sources: NFL will not resume Bills-Bengals game

The NFL will not resume the Bills-Bengals game that was suspended Monday night after Buffalo safety Damar Hamlin collapsed and went into cardiac arrest on the field, two people familiar with the decision told The Associated Press on Thursday. Both people spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because the league is still figuring out how to determine playoff seedings and scheduling. The NFL Players Association must approve changes. Hamlin has shown what physicians treating him are calling "remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours," the team announced Thursday, three days after the 24-year-old player had to be resuscitated on the field.

The Bills-Bengals game had major playoff implications. Buffalo (12-3) entered Monday night needing a win to maintain the AFC's No. 1 seed. The Kansas City Chiefs (13-3) now hold that spot. The Bengals (11-4) had a chance to earn that top seed with two more wins and a loss by the Chiefs. The league is considering various scenarios. A decision is expected no later than Friday. Seedings could be determined by winning percentage. In that case, the Chiefs would remain in the top spot with a victory over the Las Vegas Raiders on Saturday. The Bills lost a thrilling overtime game at Kansas City in the divisional round last year. They beat the Chiefs 24-20 in Kansas City in October to earn a tiebreaker advantage for the No. 1 seed and home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.

Adding an eighth playoff team to the field in both conferences and giving the top two teams a first-round bye is perhaps the most intriguing among the many possibilities. The Pittsburgh Steelers (8-8) are among the teams that would be impacted by an additional playoff team. The Steelers must beat Cleveland on Sunday and need losses by Miami and New England to clinch a playoff spot that seemed unlikely when they began the season 2-6. Adding an eighth playoff team would give Pittsburgh a little more wiggle room to reach the postseason for the third straight year. "That works for us," Steelers inside linebacker Myles Jack said. "That would be good. To get another chance to get up in there so it increases our odds. I'm all for it. That's up to them. That'd be pretty cool."
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2023, 10:49:13 PM
Seahawks on top aggainst 49ers after getting off to a slow srart. An upset could be on the cards.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 10:56:46 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 14, 2023, 10:49:13 PM
Seahawks on top aggainst 49ers after getting off to a slow srart. An upset could be on the cards.

All credit to the Hawks for going at it and making it entertaining.  But they're out of their depth here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 15, 2023, 08:56:13 AM
Absolutely cataclysmic loss from the Chargers. Staley surely has to go after that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 15, 2023, 09:18:53 AM
Quote from: gallsman on January 15, 2023, 08:56:13 AM
Absolutely cataclysmic loss from the Chargers. Staley surely has to go after that.
went to bed after Q1. There was only one winner then and it wasn't the Jags.Lawrence was playing like someone who's never seen the game before. I'd assume that it among the greatest comebacks on playoff history.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 15, 2023, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2023, 10:56:46 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 14, 2023, 10:49:13 PM
Seahawks on top aggainst 49ers after getting off to a slow srart. An upset could be on the cards.

All credit to the Hawks for going at it and making it entertaining.  But they're out of their depth here.
the game completely changed after the Seattle turnover in the red zone ,  the 49ers were in trouble before that happened
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 15, 2023, 04:26:33 PM
Seahawjs were never winning that, simply outgunned
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 15, 2023, 08:14:46 PM
Dolphins are putting it up to the bills in the first half. Bills lead 20-17 after being 17-0 up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 21, 2023, 04:20:13 PM
Great weekend of football on the way
9ers   bengals.  Chiefs and hopefully giants to win
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 21, 2023, 04:51:00 PM
Want Buffalo to win...Central Valley respect!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 21, 2023, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 21, 2023, 04:51:00 PM
Want Buffalo to win...Central Valley respect!
blue collar pride ✊
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 21, 2023, 10:20:18 PM
Wtf are Sky doing broadcasting live from a pub. People in the audience coming up to a mic to ask questions. Awful.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 21, 2023, 10:54:02 PM
Mahomes is down and out for now. Still the Chiefs are further ahead now than when Mahomes went down.

The Jags won't get a better opportunity than this.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on January 21, 2023, 11:04:14 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 21, 2023, 10:20:18 PM
Wtf are Sky doing broadcasting live from a pub. People in the audience coming up to a mic to ask questions. Awful.

That female analyst doesent stop grinning
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 21, 2023, 11:12:07 PM
A hobbling Mahomes makes this a very interesting game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2023, 10:46:35 PM
Bills might even be more Spursy than Spurs. They always find a way not to do it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 22, 2023, 10:59:05 PM
Yup they done...hopefully 9ers Cowboys is a bit more exciting. Games have been very one sided this wkd
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 22, 2023, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on January 22, 2023, 10:59:05 PM
Yup they done...hopefully 9ers Cowboys is a bit more exciting. Games have been very one sided this wkd

Yep. This weekend last year was one of the best sporting pinnacles of all time. This year it's so one sided it's boring.

Can't see any change in the upcoming game. If 49ers are in the mood they'll win in second gear.

Though as long as Mahomes is okay, the conference finals weekend should be epic. Form and ability running though all 4 teams.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on January 23, 2023, 12:24:55 AM
And Maher misses his first extra point attempt.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on January 23, 2023, 12:31:19 AM
Quote from: dec on January 23, 2023, 12:24:55 AM
And Maher misses his first extra point attempt.
poor guy is shattered
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 23, 2023, 12:40:36 AM
Quote from: dec on January 23, 2023, 12:24:55 AM
And Maher misses his first extra point attempt.

Was def going well left too.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on January 27, 2023, 04:42:01 PM
The 2024 Copa America is going to be a combined South America/North America version hosted in the US.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/copa-america/story/4862467/united-states-likely-to-host-2024-copa-america-after-advanced-talks-sources
The format will feature 16 teams, 10 from CONMEBOL and six from CONCACAF, with teams from the North, Central American and Caribbean Confederation qualifying via the 2023-24 CONCACAF Nations League tournament.

They did a combined version once before in 2016 to celebrate the centenary of the Copa America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Am%C3%A9rica_Centenario
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: markl121 on January 29, 2023, 08:02:36 PM
 I know they love getting grammy winners in to butcher the anthem. But christ that was poor
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2023, 10:29:39 PM
This is brutal to watch. Spectacle of it has been destroyed. 9ers D was performing heroics earlier but now getting ground down and losing the rag a bit.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2023, 11:32:08 PM
Terry Bradshaw doing the post game interviews and trophy presentation (lol) was quite...something.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2023, 11:56:16 PM
Actually thought the 49ers would win that game, oh well!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2023, 12:04:43 AM
That was a shame.

Eagles are an exceptional team but the 49ers D reached a "what's the f**king point?" moment after the  QB fumble which rose to ceiling level after the blocked punt call.

We've all been there in sport. Scenes weren't great but were understandable
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 01, 2023, 01:22:53 PM
Brady retires. Again. Possibly for real this time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kidder81 on February 01, 2023, 01:44:35 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 01, 2023, 01:22:53 PM
Brady retires. Again. Possibly for real this time.

Too late for Gisele
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on February 01, 2023, 03:07:35 PM
Cushy broadcasting number coming up.

Looking forward to hearing him in the booth TBH
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 01, 2023, 03:10:29 PM
Shame would've like him with 9ers for one  season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 01, 2023, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: Taylor on February 01, 2023, 03:07:35 PM
Cushy broadcasting number coming up.

Looking forward to hearing him in the booth TBH

Yeah it seems like he'll be in with KB from Fox.

I've actually quite enjoyed Greg Olsen he's very much of the Romo mould and giving you a proper players insight it'll be interesting to see where he goes when Brady's in!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on February 12, 2023, 07:10:55 PM
Eagles 1.5 favorite today anyone watching ? Like their chances to cover that easy
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2023, 07:14:48 PM
Eagles been strong all year and I expected the 49ers to put it up to them and they got ate, though got to take their QB situation in that game. Mahomes is a different kettle of fish and I expect him to be lift another one tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 12, 2023, 11:06:24 PM
Should be tight but I expect as long as all is well with Mahomes that he will win it for the Chiefs.

Rhiannas first concert in 7 years apparently.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on February 12, 2023, 11:26:59 PM
eagles in a blowout or chiefs close  ;D

coach crying already, it's over
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 12:39:46 AM
Great start to the game! Looks evenly matched so far.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 13, 2023, 12:41:44 AM
That defensive td by the chiefs could be a big turning point.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 01:20:29 AM
Eagles are soaring since the fumble td.

Mahomes looks goosed and they can't stop Hurts anymore. Chiefs need to come out strong in the 3rd.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 13, 2023, 02:01:56 AM
This is a classic
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Estimator on February 13, 2023, 02:40:39 AM
Big punt return. Advantage Chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 13, 2023, 02:44:49 AM
Some turnaround.

21-3 so far in the second half.

Eagles need to get going again in offense.

All to play for though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 02:51:10 AM
What a game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 02:53:38 AM
Overtime can f**k right off though nobody wants that!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Estimator on February 13, 2023, 03:09:56 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 02:53:38 AM
Overtime can f**k right off though nobody wants that!
Doesn't look like that's happening.
Penalty has killed the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 03:12:45 AM
Such a shitty way to end what otherwise was a great game!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2023, 03:14:40 AM
 Kansas Chiefs was 3/1 to win at half time. Mahomes on one leg still had a huge influence.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 03:19:28 AM
Was that a bad holding call at the end??
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 13, 2023, 03:24:13 AM
Quote from: screenexile on February 13, 2023, 03:19:28 AM
Was that a bad holding call at the end??

It was a disgraceful call in the Super Bowl. Precisely the sort that isn't given in the playoffs.

Brilliant have though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 13, 2023, 03:37:18 AM
G lads, it was a hold, still can't work out how the hit in the 2nd Half which lead to a run on was deemed incomplete. Still can't work out that call, lad clearly received it under control before it wax knocked out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 13, 2023, 03:43:25 AM
On re run, there little in it to be honest, arm on the outside counted against him, soft enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Nanderson on February 13, 2023, 09:22:54 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 13, 2023, 03:37:18 AM
G lads, it was a hold, still can't work out how the hit in the 2nd Half which lead to a run on was deemed incomplete. Still can't work out that call, lad clearly received it under control before it wax knocked out.
I was confused myself but looking into it he has to take 3 steps before you can get a tackle fumble
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 13, 2023, 12:28:01 PM
American football (and soccer, rugby and gaa too) would be better served with a 3 quacks judgement rather than trying to define the impossible. ie if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and smells like a duck, let's call it a duck.

Officials aside that was an outrageously brilliant few hours of sport. Philly looked like they could score at will for the most part, but it still wasn't enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 13, 2023, 01:36:37 PM
Seen another view of the late flag, and the lad was getting his Jersey pulled.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on February 13, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
It was the right call
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Hound on February 13, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Great game but awful finish. Shame for it to be decided on such a tight call by officials. A tiny little tug that you get away with 9 times out of 10, but can't really complain when you don't.
Nonsense finish after that with the lad refusing to score the TD (and go down in history as the scorer of a Super Bowl winning TD) because his coaches tell him to stop at the 1 yard line so they can run the clock down. Something wrong with the rules when that's the sensible option.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Nanderson on February 13, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 13, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Great game but awful finish. Shame for it to be decided on such a tight call by officials. A tiny little tug that you get away with 9 times out of 10, but can't really complain when you don't.
Nonsense finish after that with the lad refusing to score the TD (and go down in history as the scorer of a Super Bowl winning TD) because his coaches tell him to stop at the 1 yard line so they can run the clock down. Something wrong with the rules when that's the sensible option.
I thought it was genius. Imagine having the courage to put the team ahead of your own selfish ambitions and not going over the line for a memorable TD in a classic superbowl. Had he gone over Eagles would have had nearly 2 minutes to drive down the field which they would have been more than capable of doing so
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 13, 2023, 03:01:52 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 13, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Great game but awful finish. Shame for it to be decided on such a tight call by officials. A tiny little tug that you get away with 9 times out of 10, but can't really complain when you don't.
Nonsense finish after that with the lad refusing to score the TD (and go down in history as the scorer of a Super Bowl winning TD) because his coaches tell him to stop at the 1 yard line so they can run the clock down. Something wrong with the rules when that's the sensible option.

How would it have looked if the eagles marched back down the field and scored again in the time that would have been left? The year the Seahawks lost to Brady, they made an incredible comeback against the Packers in the NFC championship and ended up scoring too early. Rodgers matched down the field and they got a FG to send it to overtime.

Because of the set play and possession nature of the game, clock management is a crucial aspect of the sport. Always will be. One of the most incredible things about NFL head coaches is just how bad some of them are at it and how they're allowed get away with being that bad.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 13, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 13, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Great game but awful finish. Shame for it to be decided on such a tight call by officials. A tiny little tug that you get away with 9 times out of 10, but can't really complain when you don't.
Nonsense finish after that with the lad refusing to score the TD (and go down in history as the scorer of a Super Bowl winning TD) because his coaches tell him to stop at the 1 yard line so they can run the clock down. Something wrong with the rules when that's the sensible option.

In the 12/13 Giants win over the Patriots, the Giants running back literally fell over the line and scored when trying to stop himself short for a first down with a minute left when the defense let him run in unopposed. Brady and the Patriots got the ball back with a minute to use, but fortunately for the Giants their defense held on instead of the team comfortably running down the clock and scoring an easy last second field goal.

So it's not an unprecedented situation.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on February 13, 2023, 04:00:17 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 13, 2023, 03:27:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 13, 2023, 02:06:54 PM
Great game but awful finish. Shame for it to be decided on such a tight call by officials. A tiny little tug that you get away with 9 times out of 10, but can't really complain when you don't.
Nonsense finish after that with the lad refusing to score the TD (and go down in history as the scorer of a Super Bowl winning TD) because his coaches tell him to stop at the 1 yard line so they can run the clock down. Something wrong with the rules when that's the sensible option.

In the 12/13 Giants win over the Patriots, the Giants running back literally fell over the line and scored when trying to stop himself short for a first down with a minute left when the defense let him run in unopposed. Brady and the Patriots got the ball back with a minute to use, but fortunately for the Giants their defense held on instead of the team comfortably running down the clock and scoring an easy last second field goal.

So it's not an unprecedented situation.
There was a game a couple seasons ago where Todd Gurley did score when he was told not to in this scenario and ended up losing the Falcons the game to the Lions (who had no timeouts remaining).
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2023, 06:13:27 PM
Some didn't take that defeat too well..

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1624994534353666048/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1624994534353666048&currentTweetUser=stillgray
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 13, 2023, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 13, 2023, 06:13:27 PM
Some didn't take that defeat too well..

https://mobile.twitter.com/stillgray/status/1624994534353666048/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1624994534353666048&currentTweetUser=stillgray

Fairly sure that was a setup video. There was a yellow sticker still attached to the lower left of the screen and the TV had brackets on the back but wasn't attached to the wall.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on March 15, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
It looks like Aaron Rodgers is on his way to the jets. Compensation for the packers is yet to be decided.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 15, 2023, 08:02:33 PM
Georgia Tech will play FSU in the 2024 Aer Lingus College Football Classic at the Aviva
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 15, 2023, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 15, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
It looks like Aaron Rodgers is on his way to the jets. Compensation for the packers is yet to be decided.

Based on last season, this is win win for Green Bay, and another bout of madness from NYJ
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Kidder81 on March 15, 2023, 08:06:03 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on March 15, 2023, 08:03:30 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 15, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
It looks like Aaron Rodgers is on his way to the jets. Compensation for the packers is yet to be decided.

Based on last season, this is win win for Green Bay, and another bout of madness from NYJ

Depends on the compensation, but im guessing he hasn't much more than two years left playing
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on March 15, 2023, 08:11:17 PM
Hopefully Rodgers behaves better at the Jets than Farve did before him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on April 24, 2023, 10:43:14 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on March 15, 2023, 06:00:43 PM
It looks like Aaron Rodgers is on his way to the jets. Compensation for the packers is yet to be decided.

Finally

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36282465/sources-packers-trade-aaron-rodgers-jets-multiple-picks
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Taylor on April 25, 2023, 07:56:25 AM
Good deal for the Packers there.
Rodgers has one maybe two years left in him
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on April 25, 2023, 10:55:28 AM
Good win for the Lakers last night. 3-1 up against the Grizzlies
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on April 25, 2023, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 25, 2023, 10:55:28 AM
Good win for the Lakers last night. 3-1 up against the Grizzlies

Lakers were 40/1 to win it all around the All Star break. Western Conference very tough to come out of though you would think.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on April 27, 2023, 09:55:25 PM
5 years, 260m for Lamar. 185m guaranteed. Good on him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 28, 2023, 12:13:28 AM
The NFL draft is on tonight. Bryce Young QB Alabama is expected to go number 1 to the Panthers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 28, 2023, 12:37:49 AM
Warriors kings series has been great. Warriors up 3-2 but not over yet.

No. 1 seed bucks out to a Bulter inspired Heat.

Would've loved to see a full strength clippers against the Suns. Even without their 2 best players then ran them close in every game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on April 28, 2023, 06:31:46 AM
Quote from: gawa316 on April 28, 2023, 12:37:49 AM
Warriors kings series has been great. Warriors up 3-2 but not over yet.

No. 1 seed bucks out to a Bulter inspired Heat.

Would've loved to see a full strength clippers against the Suns. Even without their 2 best players then ran them close in every game

Butler was superb.
Celtics finished the job last night. 76ers up next
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on April 28, 2023, 06:32:16 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on April 25, 2023, 12:02:50 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 25, 2023, 10:55:28 AM
Good win for the Lakers last night. 3-1 up against the Grizzlies

Lakers were 40/1 to win it all around the All Star break. Western Conference very tough to come out of though you would think.

Started the season 2-10. Just to make the playoffs was an achievement
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on April 28, 2023, 01:28:25 PM
The Texans made a big move in the draft to get a franchise quarterback and the best defensive player in Will Anderson. They should be much improved.

My team the vikings took a wide receiver Jordan Addison USC when they really needed help on the defense.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on April 30, 2023, 11:17:39 PM
Steph Curry is just WOW.

Lakers up next
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: StephenC on May 01, 2023, 12:48:08 PM
What a performance in a Game 7. Just ridiculous.

Great season for the Kings - they are on the up.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 02:26:06 PM
1-1 after 2 games between the Lakers and GSW. Next 2 games in Los Angeles
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on May 05, 2023, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 02:26:06 PM
1-1 after 2 games between the Lakers and GSW. Next 2 games in Los Angeles

Anthony Davis can't seem to put two good games together
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 05, 2023, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 05, 2023, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 02:26:06 PM
1-1 after 2 games between the Lakers and GSW. Next 2 games in Los Angeles

Anthony Davis can't seem to put two good games together

Hopefully that continues!

Klay brought it last night...him and Curry are a joy to watch when they are on song
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 05, 2023, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 05, 2023, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 02:26:06 PM
1-1 after 2 games between the Lakers and GSW. Next 2 games in Los Angeles

Anthony Davis can't seem to put two good games together

Hopefully that continues!

Klay brought it last night...him and Curry are a joy to watch when they are on song

Hopefully it doesnt haha
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on May 05, 2023, 03:21:41 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 03:17:36 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 05, 2023, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 05, 2023, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 05, 2023, 02:26:06 PM
1-1 after 2 games between the Lakers and GSW. Next 2 games in Los Angeles

Anthony Davis can't seem to put two good games together

Hopefully that continues!

Klay brought it last night...him and Curry are a joy to watch when they are on song

Hopefully it doesnt haha

Think Davis is more important for the Lakers now than LBJ, due to his size. Not sure they can win the series unless he has a big night every night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 09, 2023, 07:50:06 AM
Long way back for the warriors now. Wonder what's going on with Poole, he's been non-existent. Not much from Klay either
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on May 13, 2023, 06:57:56 AM
Lakers get the job done. Nuggets and Jokic may be a step too far though
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 13, 2023, 12:17:52 PM
Curry the only man to show up. Klay and Poole just awful
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on May 13, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
Quote from: gawa316 on May 13, 2023, 12:17:52 PM
Curry the only man to show up. Klay and Poole just awful

Yeah Thompson nowhere to be seen. Denver are very deep so should be a good series
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on May 23, 2023, 08:58:46 AM
So Nuggets sweep the Lakers, as expected Denver just too deep and Jokic too good. The end for LeBron ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on May 23, 2023, 09:28:16 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on May 23, 2023, 08:58:46 AM
So Nuggets sweep the Lakers, as expected Denver just too deep and Jokic too good. The end for LeBron ?

he said he has a lot to think about in regards ot basketball. Retirement or a new team. Either way I dont think he will be a Laker next season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on May 29, 2023, 07:57:06 PM
Can the Celtics become the first ever team to come back from 3-0 down in the playoffs?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 03:26:00 AM
Doesn't look like it, down 20 in the 4th with under 7 minutes left.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on May 30, 2023, 03:47:31 AM
Nope, a bit like Logan Roy, couldn't quite get to the finale.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 30, 2023, 06:35:32 AM
Jimmy just bullied them and Celtics didn't have an answer. Great comeback over the last week but in time nobody will remember it.

Tatum is still a long way off the top.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 30, 2023, 08:57:25 AM
Didn't expect that at all.

Nuggets clear favs for me but with Butler you never know. Not sure if he is underrated or not!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on May 30, 2023, 01:44:35 PM
Will watch this tonight. I think its a year to the day (or very close to it) that Butler said they'd be back in Boston for a game 7 and that this time they'd win. Few believed him but that's exactly what happened last night.
Denver are favorites but Spo is a fantastic coach and you can't rule them while he's calling the plays.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on May 30, 2023, 02:50:05 PM
Quote from: straightred on May 30, 2023, 01:44:35 PM
Will watch this tonight. I think its a year to the day (or very close to it) that Butler said they'd be back in Boston for a game 7 and that this time they'd win. Few believed him but that's exactly what happened last night.
Denver are favorites but Spo is a fantastic coach and you can't rule them while he's calling the plays.

I think Denver will have too much for them. The first 2 games in Denver?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Gmac on May 30, 2023, 05:33:28 PM
Denver 8.5 favorite for game one
Think they win it by 15
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: straightred on May 30, 2023, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Gmac on May 30, 2023, 05:33:28 PM
Denver 8.5 favorite for game one
Think they win it by 15
The Heat have won all 3 game 1s on the road. The Nuggets have won all 3 game 1s at home. Something has to give. I think Miami will steal one of the first 2.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 31, 2023, 04:13:25 PM
Don't think anyone can stop Jokic this year. Unless Denver suffer some big injuries again they should do it comfortably enough.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: cadhlancian on September 12, 2023, 06:54:04 AM
Could be the end of Aaron Rodgers in the nfl tonight - likely torn Achilles. Happened in the first series , end of an short lived era !
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on September 12, 2023, 04:45:10 PM
MRI confirmed torn Achilles, out for the season
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 12, 2023, 08:16:31 PM
He's doing his own research to decide whether he needs surgery or not
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: tonto1888 on September 14, 2023, 09:24:47 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/66789732

at this stage I just believe every pro sports person is doping
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 17, 2023, 11:02:32 PM
This NFL season is genuinely intriguing.

49ers at full strength - Purdy, McCaffrey, Ayuick, Samuel, Kittle - have such a perfect balance that you need 30 points to give them a game. They're the sensible choice.

But take any one of those out of equation, and I wouldn't be much confident of them seeing off the Cowboys, Rams, Eagles, Vikings, Lions... let alone Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Bengals, Browns, Dolphins.

The post season is set up to be truly epic.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 17, 2023, 11:49:10 PM
9ers will win the NFC pulling up. Dallas showing tonight that they're not ready to win big games on the road.

4 or 5 teams could win the AFC.

Injuries permitting, 9ers should win it all. Shanahan is a master at getting key players catastrophically injured though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on December 18, 2023, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2023, 11:49:10 PM9ers will win the NFC pulling up. Dallas showing tonight that they're not ready to win big games on the road.

4 or 5 teams could win the AFC.

Injuries permitting, 9ers should win it all. Shanahan is a master at getting key players catastrophically injured though.

I certainly wouldn't rule out Philadelphia yet. Last two runs to the Super Bowl have been a great start to the season before a bit of a stutter at the end then a good run through the playoffs again. It's about getting all the bodies fit over the coming weeks imo.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: GAABoardMod5 on December 18, 2023, 07:15:54 AM
Good old RTE get the name wrong...does anyone even proof-read in D4?


https://www.rte.ie/sport/us-sport/2023/1218/1422550-nfl-purdy-stars-as-san-francisco-69ers-win-again/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 18, 2023, 08:49:10 AM
Quote from: SaffronSports on December 18, 2023, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: gallsman on December 17, 2023, 11:49:10 PM9ers will win the NFC pulling up. Dallas showing tonight that they're not ready to win big games on the road.

4 or 5 teams could win the AFC.

Injuries permitting, 9ers should win it all. Shanahan is a master at getting key players catastrophically injured though.

I certainly wouldn't rule out Philadelphia yet. Last two runs to the Super Bowl have been a great start to the season before a bit of a stutter at the end then a good run through the playoffs again. It's about getting all the bodies fit over the coming weeks imo.

9ers win tonight and they'll win out and be top seed. Eagles aren't going to win in Santa Clara.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 19, 2023, 08:46:40 AM
Big Eagles slip up again last night.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on December 19, 2023, 10:50:24 PM
Quote from: gallsman on December 19, 2023, 08:46:40 AMBig Eagles slip up again last night.

Went to sleep at 10-0 up. Falling apart it seems
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 19, 2023, 11:11:25 PM
Hurts looks to be playing within himself with injury. Eagles might be better giving him a few weeks off. Homefield advantage for a game surely isn't as important as a mostly functioning Hurts.

Cowboys have no chance against Supermac based on what Cook did to them at the weekend. They'll need someone else to take care of SF.

Rams are going to very dangerous if they make it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on December 20, 2023, 10:13:24 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 19, 2023, 11:11:25 PMHurts looks to be playing within himself with injury. Eagles might be better giving him a few weeks off. Homefield advantage for a game surely isn't as important as a mostly functioning Hurts.

Cowboys have no chance against Supermac based on what Cook did to them at the weekend. They'll need someone else to take care of SF.

Rams are going to very dangerous if they make it.

I'd argue Hurts hasn't been right all season. A lot of idiotic turnovers this year. Still we're in the playoffs so have to give it a go but the 49ers looking to be catching fire as we're burning out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on December 26, 2023, 10:01:27 AM
Purdy's MVP campaign bright to a screeching halt last night as he turned into a Christmas turkey.

Could very well be a rematch in the Super Bowl but even with the #1 seed the Ravens are always capable of shitting it in the playoffs. Bills will have to do it the hard way but they look like the only other AFC contender.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on December 27, 2023, 12:48:58 AM
Thought 49ers would win this year but that's the biggest meltdown. of a well thought off rookie QB, in years.Great overall team everywhere else
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on December 27, 2023, 01:17:24 AM
Once the playoffs start I'd not rule out the Chiefs although they definitely don't look at it but you know how it can go in Jan/Feb.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on December 31, 2023, 08:58:24 PM
Pathetic from the Eagles tonight. Probably means a trip to Detroit now. Can't see us win that one in this form.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wee Barky on December 31, 2023, 09:15:11 PM
What has happened the eagles in December ?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 31, 2023, 09:21:06 PM
Looking now like:

Ravens 75%
9ers 25%

Rest, also ran.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 31, 2023, 09:57:47 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on December 31, 2023, 09:21:06 PMLooking now like:

Ravens 75%
9ers 25%

Rest, also ran.

Yes I wouldn't be surprised if the 49ers stay healthy, they turn around last weeks result in the superbowl.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on December 31, 2023, 10:08:04 PM
Anything to be said for the Browns...
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on December 31, 2023, 10:39:54 PM
Quote from: TwoUpTwoDown on December 31, 2023, 10:08:04 PMAnything to be said for the Browns...

With Flacco?

Might win a playoff game, but will get battered against the best sides
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 08:33:16 PM
Gotta love the play-offs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2024, 09:10:04 PM
Browns @ Texans
Dolphins @ Chiefs
Packers @ Cowboys
Rams @ Lions
Steelers @ Bills
Eagles @ Bucs
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 13, 2024, 09:18:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 13, 2024, 09:10:04 PMBrowns @ Texans
Dolphins @ Chiefs
Packers @ Cowboys
Rams @ Lions
Steelers @ Bills
Eagles @ Bucs

With you all the way to the last one. Eagles are out of form, but Tampa were mostly giftwrapped a route to the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 13, 2024, 09:19:48 PM
Eagles seem to be wobbling.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 13, 2024, 09:51:32 PM
Eagles are in freefall, Hurts has a finger injury, Brown is out and the D is a catastrophe. They got annihilated last week by the fecking Giants in a game they were trying to win. Absolutely nothing about them would give me any confidence they can knock anyone off.

Good start from the Texans D here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 13, 2024, 11:08:58 PM
Stroud putting a fearsome defence to the sword here. V hard to see how the Browns can recover this deficit with Stroud in such form.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 14, 2024, 12:41:46 AM
Disappointing as halfway through the second quarter it looked like it was going to be a complete shootout. Very impressive from the Texans though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2024, 10:21:38 PM
Packers off to a quick start against Cowboys. 14-0 just into the second quarter. This could be an upset.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 14, 2024, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 14, 2024, 10:21:38 PMPackers off to a quick start against Cowboys. 14-0 just into the second quarter. This could be an upset.

It's as good as over already.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 14, 2024, 10:42:26 PM
Cowboys choking again... Not sure  Jerry will live to see another Super Bowl!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 14, 2024, 10:43:16 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 14, 2024, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on January 14, 2024, 10:21:38 PMPackers off to a quick start against Cowboys. 14-0 just into the second quarter. This could be an upset.

It's as good as over already.

20-0 now. 3 touchdowns to nil.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 14, 2024, 10:48:18 PM
Cowboys, flakiest team I ever seen.I actually remember this team winning 3 in 4yrs and they used to kick the shit outta you.hard believe they been crap for 30yrs now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 14, 2024, 10:50:22 PM
It's a bloodbath!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on January 14, 2024, 11:44:32 PM
I've made my peace with the fact the Eagles aren't going to win the big one this year and will probably lose tomorrow based on current form but by God, the Cowboys getting horsed wouldn't half lift my mood for the rest of the postseason.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trailer on January 15, 2024, 09:18:12 AM
49ers year
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 15, 2024, 11:43:49 AM
Cowboys on the phone to Bill early this morning?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on January 15, 2024, 11:32:43 PM
Thinking about trying to stay up for this Eagles game. Not sure if I have it in me though.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 16, 2024, 06:42:07 AM
Hope you didn't bother...

That's an all time catastrophic collapse from the Eagles. Lost 6 of their last 7 having already lost to Zach Wilson!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on January 16, 2024, 09:54:24 AM
Seen enough of Tampa in the NFC south with following the Saints to know that they aren't even that good. Horrific from the Eagles, again.

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on January 16, 2024, 01:56:39 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 16, 2024, 06:42:07 AMHope you didn't bother...

That's an all time catastrophic collapse from the Eagles. Lost 6 of their last 7 having already lost to Zach Wilson!

Made it through three quarters which was an achievement considering how bad they were.

Even at 10-1 there had been a lot of strange performances. Falling behind then getting it together to win or hammering teams then letting them back in. Last 7 weeks have been horrible. Offense doing next to nothing, play calling dreadful. Defense getting contact with players but not finishing the tackle.

Disappointing but I've had plenty of that following the Eagles.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on January 21, 2024, 10:29:03 PM
Lions and Bucs are tied up heading into the 4th quarter. I thought the Lions would win this handily.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on January 28, 2024, 10:33:40 PM
Chiefs looking likely here. That play where it looked like a TD and the ball was knocked loose probably killed the game. Ravens just doing stupid stuff now
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 28, 2024, 10:38:52 PM
Incredible play from Sneed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2024, 10:39:25 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on January 28, 2024, 10:33:40 PMChiefs looking likely here. That play where it looked like a TD and the ball was knocked loose probably killed the game. Ravens just doing stupid stuff now

Tactically it looked over at HT but KC can't move the chains since they came back out. They need another touchdown or this is going to be a nervy finish.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 28, 2024, 10:51:54 PM
Shocking decision and throw from Lamar. The way the chiefs have been eating the clock, that should be that
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2024, 11:24:31 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 28, 2024, 10:51:54 PMShocking decision and throw from Lamar. The way the chiefs have been eating the clock, that should be that

Josh Allen is spectacularly unlucky to have been born in the Mahomes era.

Not so sure the same can be said about Lamar. His many, many talents can't mask the fact that he forces passes and overthrows when the scoreboard needs him the most.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 28, 2024, 11:28:57 PM
Ah Allen is the architect of his own downfall a lot of the time as well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on January 28, 2024, 11:41:02 PM
Both good players but not greats like Mahomes. 6 AFC Championship games in 6 years in the league, going to his 4th Super Bowl. They're all great players but Mahomes just has that stone cold winner mentality.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 28, 2024, 11:46:20 PM
Quote from: gallsman on January 28, 2024, 11:28:57 PMAh Allen is the architect of his own downfall a lot of the time as well.

You're right. I just got a sense this season that Allen is actively trying to fix what is most a mental thing for him; stop trying the difficult things just because you can.

Whilst I get a sense that Lamar will always struggle with his throwing range, especially as the stakes get higher.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 28, 2024, 11:52:14 PM
I think historically Lamar has got a lot of unfair flack due to being a black QB. A lot of tonight, but certainly not all, is on him though. He was poor, coaching was poor, play calling was poor. Likely has been incredible for the last few months since Andrews got hurt. Was targeted, what, 3 times today?

The taunting penalty from Flowers was unbelievably moronic. A lot of terrible penalties on the Ravens.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 28, 2024, 11:57:42 PM
Wonder any stupid dancing in the changing room now.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Sportacus on January 29, 2024, 07:59:16 AM
Ravens meltdown, went full Arsenal.  Never saw as many over-emotional big moment mistakes in a big game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mad Mentor on January 30, 2024, 08:38:33 PM
I'm really looking forward to the Superbowl. Two great entertaining teams and the match-up of Mahomes against the young pretender should be epic. The comeback by the 49ers should stand them in good stead. Must remember to book the Monday off.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on January 30, 2024, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on January 30, 2024, 08:38:33 PMI'm really looking forward to the Superbowl. Two great entertaining teams and the match-up of Mahomes against the young pretender should be epic. The comeback by the 49ers should stand them in good stead. Must remember to book the Monday off.

Same.

9ers have the better team on paper but Mahomes and Kelce just always get it if done.

Neither side has been blowing the opposition away the past few months so hopefully it comes down to the wire
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 30, 2024, 09:01:53 PM
49ers way better team, Mahomes the exceptional QB on the other.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on February 11, 2024, 11:26:49 PM
49ers are 2 point favourites, hopefully will be a close game
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 11, 2024, 11:32:18 PM
Reba McEntire turns 69 years young in a few weeks and still looking well.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2024, 11:53:12 PM
The amount of times they do nowt is annoying 😆
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on February 12, 2024, 12:01:32 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2024, 11:53:12 PMThe amount of times they do nowt is annoying 😆
You get well rested in this game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 12, 2024, 12:16:15 AM
Good luck to the lads in studio to find any highlights in that first quarter to talk about.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: markl121 on February 12, 2024, 12:27:00 AM
Quote from: clarshack on February 12, 2024, 12:14:47 AMWatched the 1st 1/4 there out of curiosity. Absolute rubbish and have turned it off and away to bed now. A Snooker player would probably burn more calories in a game than any of these NFL players ffs.
Sad dat
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Harold Disgracey on February 12, 2024, 12:32:19 AM
This is quite possibly the greatest pile of shite I've ever seen. I'm away to bed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 12, 2024, 12:33:00 AM
Superrrrrrrrrrbowwwwlllllllll

That's all I got

Actually no it isn't. Who's the f**ker sounds like he's herding sheep. Or is he shouting ACIIIIIIID like the ravers in the 90s.

Either ways I'm out. Normally make it to ht but I'm getting old

That's all I got
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: markl121 on February 12, 2024, 12:43:50 AM
Do none of you watch the NFL outside the Super Bowl? I never understand people watching the superbowl and then yapping it'a boring etc. this is the sport. Watch it if you like, but stop complaining.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 12:47:08 AM
49ers dominating, particularly on defence but need that to show on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: markl121 on February 12, 2024, 12:52:32 AM
What a score
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 12, 2024, 12:58:56 AM
This was today?  Lol, I live here and managed not to notice.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on February 12, 2024, 01:27:45 AM
9ers so much better but they'll not win a tight game against Mahomes
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 12, 2024, 01:37:27 AM
More Alicia Keys and less Usher was needed for that half time show.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 12, 2024, 01:38:46 AM
He was good on the roller skates ;D apart from that it was all a bit shit
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 01:39:07 AM
Probably the worst half time show I've ever seen.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2024, 01:41:09 AM
Do people not understand that when 2 good teams play eachother defences are usually on top and not a whole lot happens until the last 5 mins (half an hour to 45 minutes in real time though).

The GAA is becoming increasingly like this as well but that's for another time.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2024, 01:44:06 AM
Ah f**k J Bell 🤦🏼�♂️🤦🏼�♂️
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 12, 2024, 01:47:33 AM
Quote from: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 01:39:07 AMProbably the worst half time show I've ever seen.

Did you see Maroon 5 who was worse than that effort tonight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 01:58:10 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 12, 2024, 01:47:33 AM
Quote from: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 01:39:07 AMProbably the worst half time show I've ever seen.

Did you see Maroon 5 who was worse than that effort tonight.

I don't mind Maroon 5. Couple of decent tunes. I was never really a fan of Usher.

Favourite one ever was Dr Dre for me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 02:03:05 AM
Poor enough showing from 2 high scoring teams,Purdy just about average.Think with a high rated QB 49ers be way ahead here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 12, 2024, 02:10:20 AM
Deebo Samuel looks to be out of the game. This is a big blow for the 49ers.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 02:11:57 AM
Both defences are making plays TBF. 49ers look a bit better in possession but not converting on key plays. Proper old school battle.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on February 12, 2024, 02:22:14 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 12, 2024, 02:10:20 AMDeebo Samuel looks to be out of the game. This is a big blow for the 49ers.

Panic is over Deebo is back in the game.

However the 49ers offense is struggling now. Advantage Chiefs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 02:25:54 AM
Can't have the Taylor Swift love in.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 02:28:41 AM
Purdy way too slow getting rid of it. And has started taking pot shots that end up been caught up. McCaffery hardly in it last 2 quarters. No passes to Kittle either.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2024, 02:29:06 AM
Purdy has been horrific this second half. That was awful luck for McCloud there on the punt.

Looking more and more like the Chiefs!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 02:33:03 AM
Joe Montana been playing here, the 49ers be out of sight.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 02:39:20 AM
Purdy not good!Throwing blind! Having to run it now when the Chiefs know its coming.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 02:42:23 AM
Touchdown but no conversion, game got so many mistakes in it.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2024, 03:05:16 AM
One thing about NFL is they don't run themselves down too much.

"This has lived up to the hype"

Has it f**k!

All on the last 2 minutes can SF get the score and shut out Mahomes?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 12, 2024, 03:19:17 AM
Overtime, let's go..


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Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 03:23:54 AM
Purdy need do a miracle here, he falling apart.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 12, 2024, 03:25:00 AM
Some awful shite being played here tonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 03:25:09 AM
Lad too damn slow passing.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 03:33:32 AM
McCaffery carrying the 49ers here.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: screenexile on February 12, 2024, 03:48:49 AM
If you give Mahomes a chance you're fucked... he's unbelievable!!
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 12, 2024, 03:49:30 AM
Quality of QB makes the difference. Purdy was very poorvtonight
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 12, 2024, 03:51:25 AM
Bad defending in the last play by a team that defended well before that.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 03:54:28 AM
Good defensive battle. 49ers had some huge opportunities but the Chiefs continually get shit done.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 03:55:06 AM
Bow down to the King. Since Hill left he's been throwing to Kelce and a load of bums. That winning drive was incredible. MVS and Hardman with the two TDs lol.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:04:21 AM
49ers have a better team but their QB disappeared from half time on, simply too slow to pass the ball.Malhomes as always,exceptional.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AM
The NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Muck Savage on February 12, 2024, 06:08:39 AM
Hard one to take for the Niners. There was a sense of inevitability that the Chiefs would wear them down and Mahomes experience would come through. The loss of Greenlaw was huge also. Thought Purdy did ok, but the Chiefs rushed him at the right times, that 3rd down at the end of the OT drive where he got rushed nothing he could do. Good defensive game, lads coming. Back and go again next year.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AMThe NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.

From twats you mean.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 11:28:06 AM
As someone pointed out maybe the GAA could learn from talking up the product...I am not a huge fan but Christ there were some amopunt of silly mistakes. Not all forced either. I love how they don't even call them mistakes on Sky - miscues...

Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2024, 12:30:53 PM
Watched the highlights there. Did SF gift them the Superbowl. Yer man dropping that punt return? f**k me.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: J70 on February 12, 2024, 12:41:17 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AMThe NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.

It got the likes of my nine year old daughter interested.

But given the MAGAt world's ridiculously over the top and paranoid reaction to her, I loved every second they showed of her.

Brilliant game for me BTW. I enjoy that type of tense, defensive tussle which slowly opens up as teams tire and work things out.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 12:51:31 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 12:30:53 PMWatched the highlights there. Did SF gift them the Superbowl. Yer man dropping that punt return? f**k me.

He was incredibly unlucky on that play. He was letting the ball go to roll into the end zone for a touchback but it ended up hitting the coverage mans leg which made it a live ball and he therefore had to try to get it and react to something that happened about 5 yards in front of him.

Overall the defensive players and coaches had a great day to really stifle key offensive players and it wasn't until they tired a bit that the offences really got going. 49ers were superb for most of the game. Probably the most criticism I'd give them was a period when they were in front when they moved away from McCaffrey. If you can, run the ball and manage the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 12:53:32 PM
Abandoning the run against the Chiefs is the exact same thing the Ravens did, with the same result.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Mad Mentor on February 12, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 12:30:53 PMWatched the highlights there. Did SF gift them the Superbowl. Yer man dropping that punt return? f**k me.
He didn't drop it though. He wasn't intending to catch the ball, but it hit the foot of one of his own players so he had to try grab it to prevent one of the Chiefs catching it and scoring a touchdown.
I have to say I really enjoyed the game even though I wanted San Francisco to win. As I watch more and more games, my appreciation of the defensive side increases (unlike Gaelic Football). Mahomes and Kelsey sparked into action when the chips were down and experience won out. SF should probably have stuck more to the running game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thebigfella on February 12, 2024, 01:43:59 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AMThe NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.

Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AMThe NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.

No one resents her apart from a few angry middle aged white male twats. Sure they resent everything at the moment.

She is arguably one of the most recognisable people on the planet at this moment. I for one am a fan.

She should wind trump up more by announcing she is standing for president.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thebigfella on February 12, 2024, 02:10:23 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AMThe NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.

No one resents her apart from a few angry middle aged white male twats. Sure they resent everything at the moment.

She is arguably one of the most recognisable people on the planet at this moment. I for one am a fan. She should wind trump up more by announcing she is standing for president.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2024, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on February 12, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 12:30:53 PMWatched the highlights there. Did SF gift them the Superbowl. Yer man dropping that punt return? f**k me.
He didn't drop it though. He wasn't intending to catch the ball, but it hit the foot of one of his own players so he had to try grab it to prevent one of the Chiefs catching it and scoring a touchdown.
I have to say I really enjoyed the game even though I wanted San Francisco to win. As I watch more and more games, my appreciation of the defensive side increases (unlike Gaelic Football). Mahomes and Kelsey sparked into action when the chips were down and experience won out. SF should probably have stuck more to the running game.

If SF weren't intending to play the ball why are they even within 20 yards of the ball? It's egg shaped and bounces randomly. Take the risk out and stand on the side of the field away from it.
There are some really random things in the sport. Not least the KO where they charge down the field even though the ball has been booted into the far stand. Weird.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 03:01:27 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 02:46:11 PM
Quote from: Mad Mentor on February 12, 2024, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 12:30:53 PMWatched the highlights there. Did SF gift them the Superbowl. Yer man dropping that punt return? f**k me.
He didn't drop it though. He wasn't intending to catch the ball, but it hit the foot of one of his own players so he had to try grab it to prevent one of the Chiefs catching it and scoring a touchdown.
I have to say I really enjoyed the game even though I wanted San Francisco to win. As I watch more and more games, my appreciation of the defensive side increases (unlike Gaelic Football). Mahomes and Kelsey sparked into action when the chips were down and experience won out. SF should probably have stuck more to the running game.

If SF weren't intending to play the ball why are they even within 20 yards of the ball? It's egg shaped and bounces randomly. Take the risk out and stand on the side of the field away from it.
There are some really random things in the sport. Not least the KO where they charge down the field even though the ball has been booted into the far stand. Weird.


Because the way it's designed is you see where the kick is going then make a decision on what to do. If the ball rolls into the end zone you start the play from the 25 yard line. If the other team get to it before the end zone you could be starting at the 1 or 2 yard line. His intention was to fake the catch to then make the Chiefs slow down and not catch it before the end zone. If he did catch it, he could make a run forward and the play starts from where he gets tackled. Once the receiving team touches the ball it's fair game so in this instance the guy was trying to block the KC player but it hit his leg and therefore became live and up for grabs.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Blowitupref on February 12, 2024, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on February 12, 2024, 11:28:06 AMAs someone pointed out maybe the GAA could learn from talking up the product...I am not a huge fan but Christ there were some amopunt of silly mistakes. Not all forced either. I love how they don't even call them mistakes on Sky - miscues...



SKY was simliar with their GAA coverage with talking up their product and didn't focus on mistakes. RTÉ or the numerous podcasts rarely did that.

Defensive play/well organised teams is praised greatly in American football something many GAA pundits, experts and Journalists don't focus on as offensive play and how high scoring the game is matters most in their view.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on February 12, 2024, 04:43:59 PM
The last weekend of the football league in particular. There's so many permutations going on with even every point scored and you get nothing. So much that could be marketed.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Puckoon on February 12, 2024, 05:04:49 PM
Game was won/lost on the blocked extra point. Chip shot that would have ended the game 20-19, most probably.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 02:46:11 PMIf SF weren't intending to play the ball why are they even within 20 yards of the ball? It's egg shaped and bounces randomly. Take the risk out and stand on the side of the field away from it.
There are some really random things in the sport. Not least the KO where they charge down the field even though the ball has been booted into the far stand. Weird.


This is a really stupid post.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 12, 2024, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 05:39:13 PM
Quote from: trailer on February 12, 2024, 02:46:11 PMIf SF weren't intending to play the ball why are they even within 20 yards of the ball? It's egg shaped and bounces randomly. Take the risk out and stand on the side of the field away from it.
There are some really random things in the sport. Not least the KO where they charge down the field even though the ball has been booted into the far stand. Weird.


This is a really stupid post.

Harsh. The poster clearly doesn't watch the game so asked some questions which have been answered.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 07:49:44 PM
No, as it wasn't a request for an explanation or help with understanding.

It was a characteristically arrogant post where he simultaneously failed to display an understanding of that particular facet of the game in general and the specifics of the incident that happened last night, even after it was explained to him.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: trailer on February 13, 2024, 08:41:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 07:49:44 PMNo, as it wasn't a request for an explanation or help with understanding.

It was a characteristically arrogant post where he simultaneously failed to display an understanding of that particular facet of the game in general and the specifics of the incident that happened last night, even after it was explained to him.

Sound boss.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 13, 2024, 09:16:10 AM
The kickoffs need a real overhaul. Either move the kick back 30 yards and encourage returns or do away with them and just start offense from the 25 yard line
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SaffronSports on February 13, 2024, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 13, 2024, 09:16:10 AMThe kickoffs need a real overhaul. Either move the kick back 30 yards and encourage returns or do away with them and just start offense from the 25 yard line

It's not that long ago that they moved the kick offs forward as the amount of injuries coming from special teams plays was higher than any other plays. I don't think they can really abolish them though as while in the majority of games they're pointless. If you're 2 scores down late in the game, the possibility of an onside kick still gives you a chance. They would need to come up with an alternative to that before taking it out of the game.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: lurganblue on February 13, 2024, 09:58:40 AM
Quote from: SaffronSports on February 13, 2024, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on February 13, 2024, 09:16:10 AMThe kickoffs need a real overhaul. Either move the kick back 30 yards and encourage returns or do away with them and just start offense from the 25 yard line

It's not that long ago that they moved the kick offs forward as the amount of injuries coming from special teams plays was higher than any other plays. I don't think they can really abolish them though as while in the majority of games they're pointless. If you're 2 scores down late in the game, the possibility of an onside kick still gives you a chance. They would need to come up with an alternative to that before taking it out of the game.

Ah true.  I forgot about the onside kicks. It's a bit of a mess. 
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: ShutterinbyDayGAAbyNight on February 13, 2024, 10:17:22 AM
Quote from: gallsman on February 12, 2024, 07:49:44 PMNo, as it wasn't a request for an explanation or help with understanding.

It was a characteristically arrogant post where he simultaneously failed to display an understanding of that particular facet of the game in general and the specifics of the incident that happened last night, even after it was explained to him.

What a lugubrious post.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on February 14, 2024, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 12, 2024, 04:06:53 AMThe NFL love in with Swift make u sick, understand why there alot of resentment to her, from other teams supporters.

Check this lad's passport and movements.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: smort on March 03, 2024, 10:54:32 PM
Our lads are kicking at the NFL combine at the moment

Charlie Smyth maybe the pick of them so far. A few misses from Beggan and Jackson
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: dec on March 03, 2024, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: smort on March 03, 2024, 10:54:32 PMOur lads are kicking at the NFL combine at the moment
Charlie Smyth maybe the pick of them so far. A few misses from Beggan and Jackson
https://www.instagram.com/dropkickmangan/live/
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: bennydorano on March 04, 2024, 11:02:43 AM
Not sure of the process - When do they find out if they've made it through / been selected?
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Post by: Taylor on March 04, 2024, 12:07:19 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 04, 2024, 11:02:43 AMNot sure of the process - When do they find out if they've made it through / been selected?

As they are free agents it can be any time.
They could be asked to go on a practice squad which is the first step but no deadline for them to see if they are going to make it or not.

Best case scenario is teams start offering them a spot this week or next
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Post by: gallsman on March 05, 2024, 01:13:29 PM
Broncos release Wilson. One of the worst trades in history.
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Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2024, 03:35:58 AM
The Jets QB covering himself in glory again I see
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Post by: Taylor on March 14, 2024, 08:27:15 AM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on March 14, 2024, 03:35:58 AMThe Jets QB covering himself in glory again I see

I havent seen the actual quotes yet - is it much different to what Alex Jones was spouting?
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: marty34 on March 14, 2024, 03:59:14 PM
I heard Damien Lawlor last night say a few of the Irish kicking lads in Florida have signed up with the same agent.

He was saying there's another trial thing coming up soon.

Plus having an agent is a very positive thing.

Best of luck to them.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: SouthOfThe Bann on March 21, 2024, 09:25:01 AM
Beggan Kicked 10 from 10 in his latest trial.

From 25 yards out to 60 yards.

Will definitely do his chances no harm.

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Post by: lurganblue on March 21, 2024, 10:27:11 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on March 21, 2024, 09:25:01 AMBeggan Kicked 10 from 10 in his latest trial.

From 25 yards out to 60 yards.

Will definitely do his chances no harm.



I know age might be slightly against him but if he cannot get a contract after that flawless performance then there is no hope for the future of this type of scheme.
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Post by: gallsman on March 21, 2024, 11:47:45 AM
His age is no concern for a kicker. They routinely play into their 40s.

He's not guaranteed a contract at all. It is extremely competitive and while 10 from 10 sounds (and is indeed) impressive, there'll be umpteen other college kickers who can and will have done the same. Kickers in the NFL would be expected to hit 95% odd of any kicks from less than 50 yards to avoid being cut.

Another matter is that not all teams are looking for a kicker. He may well get himself a contract, even for training camp, but he's not going to dislodge Justin Tucker ffs.
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Post by: Saffrongael on March 21, 2024, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: gallsman on March 21, 2024, 11:47:45 AMHis age is no concern for a kicker. They routinely play into their 40s.

He's not guaranteed a contract at all. It is extremely competitive and while 10 from 10 sounds (and is indeed) impressive, there'll be umpteen other college kickers who can and will have done the same. Kickers in the NFL would be expected to hit 95% odd of any kicks from less than 50 yards to avoid being cut.

Another matter is that not all teams are looking for a kicker. He may well get himself a contract, even for training camp, but he's not going to dislodge Justin Tucker ffs.


Yep have seen plenty of Instagram and the like videos of wannabe kickers nailing kicks from 70yds etc but it's not in the real world & not the conditions you would be expected to kick in the NFL. Ball snapped, timing your steps & another team trying to block it etc

Saying that would love to see him getting a crack at it but it's an unforgiving place the NFL, especially for kickers. They get cut left right and centre, miss a couple of extra points in a game on a Sunday and you are out of a job on Monday.
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Post by: lurganblue on March 21, 2024, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 21, 2024, 11:47:45 AMHis age is no concern for a kicker. They routinely play into their 40s.

He's not guaranteed a contract at all. It is extremely competitive and while 10 from 10 sounds (and is indeed) impressive, there'll be umpteen other college kickers who can and will have done the same. Kickers in the NFL would be expected to hit 95% odd of any kicks from less than 50 yards to avoid being cut.

Another matter is that not all teams are looking for a kicker. He may well get himself a contract, even for training camp, but he's not going to dislodge Justin Tucker ffs.


Totally understand that and i dont think anyone sensible is expecting him to get kicking for any team in the regular season any time in the near future. Still, surely enough has been seen to get a practice squad contract.
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Post by: SaffronSports on March 21, 2024, 12:13:19 PM
I don't think many teams hold an extra spot for a kicker on their practice squad. Usually if the kicker gets injured or hurt they'll act on it then. There's really only 32 active kickers out there so it's a tough gig to get. Even if a kicker gets injured in a game there's usually a back up option. I remember Wes Welker taking a kick back in the day as I think he had a soccer background.
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Post by: smort on March 21, 2024, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on March 21, 2024, 12:13:19 PMI don't think many teams hold an extra spot for a kicker on their practice squad. Usually if the kicker gets injured or hurt they'll act on it then. There's really only 32 active kickers out there so it's a tough gig to get. Even if a kicker gets injured in a game there's usually a back up option. I remember Wes Welker taking a kick back in the day as I think he had a soccer background.

Teams won't hold a spot for a kicker on the practice squad, but there is an additional place on practice squads this upcoming season for an international player
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Post by: Taylor on March 21, 2024, 01:02:21 PM
Its a massive massive ask for any of them lads to make it.
Practice squads maybe and take it from there but to be picked to play on a team is going to be next to impossible to achieve at the moment.

The Beggan kicking may seem impressive but there will be any number of players who achieved the same and dont have one of the 32 spots.

Fingers crossed they make some sort of progression and have a shot in the coming years.

As someone said, NFL is brutal with kickers in that you could be released a Monday morning and a replacement brought in immediately - I actually think they could have a shot of being called into a team if they are struggling during the season with kickers
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 21, 2024, 01:45:58 PM
Quote from: smort on March 21, 2024, 12:20:44 PM
Quote from: SaffronSports on March 21, 2024, 12:13:19 PMI don't think many teams hold an extra spot for a kicker on their practice squad. Usually if the kicker gets injured or hurt they'll act on it then. There's really only 32 active kickers out there so it's a tough gig to get. Even if a kicker gets injured in a game there's usually a back up option. I remember Wes Welker taking a kick back in the day as I think he had a soccer background.

Teams won't hold a spot for a kicker on the practice squad, but there is an additional place on practice squads this upcoming season for an international player
What's Beggan's occupation in the real world? Just wondering how long these chaps can hold out for if they don't make it first time, before reality bites.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: thewobbler on March 21, 2024, 03:57:32 PM
I don't think any of us are quite capable of thinking about the qualities and variances of field goal kickers, in the same way as an NFL special teams coaches.

But from my perspective:

Beggan has a two step kick. He has exceptional distance. He has the physique to contribute defensively should something go wrong. He has 10 years left in him in an kicking role. And he has eons of footage backing him up of kicking scores from distance from all angles, in all kinds of weather, and in front of full stadia. His pressure kick percentages, albeit from another sport, would I expect place him among the NFL expectancy rate (minimum 80%, hopeful for 90%).

And he's kicked no more or no fewer attempts in the NFL than everyone else pursuing a first time contract as a kicker.

That's a lot of boxes checked. He has to be under serious consideration. 

But to go back to the start. I cannot place myself in a special team coach's shoes. Not even remotely.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PM
Even getting signed for training camp would be huge. Make it as far as a practice squad during the regular season and you're already talking 6 figure salaries.
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Post by: lurganblue on March 21, 2024, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMEven getting signed for training camp would be huge. Make it as far as a practice squad during the regular season and you're already talking 6 figure salaries.

Talk that Zammit has 900k offers on the table for practice squads.  I think I read 250k is the minimum.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on March 21, 2024, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on March 21, 2024, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 21, 2024, 05:13:33 PMEven getting signed for training camp would be huge. Make it as far as a practice squad during the regular season and you're already talking 6 figure salaries.

Talk that Zammit has 900k offers on the table for practice squads.  I think I read 250k is the minimum.

Not sure that's right, practice squad salary is usually a weekly rate $15-20k a week I think, and no guarantees you will be on it all season, players usually aren't that's why I assume it's a weekly rate. Teams will add and drop players from them as needed.

I also think it's capped so not sure Zammit can negotiate that high, could be wrong.

https://en.as.com/nfl/how-much-money-do-nfl-practice-squad-players-make-n-2/?outputType=amp
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2024, 07:23:00 PM
Smyth to Saints and Zammit to Chiefs.
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Post by: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 07:25:38 PM
The LRZ hype is mental. Other than showing terrific speed, he looked poor (relatively) in the other drills. Derrick Henry who has a few stone on him out-jumped him in the vertical by a foot odd! Shows you just how incredible some lads in the NFL are athletically.
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Post by: tonto1888 on March 29, 2024, 08:27:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on March 29, 2024, 07:23:00 PMSmyth to Saints and Zammit to Chiefs.

Brilliant for Smyth
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: Saffrongael on March 29, 2024, 08:34:34 PM
Quote from: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 07:25:38 PMThe LRZ hype is mental. Other than showing terrific speed, he looked poor (relatively) in the other drills. Derrick Henry who has a few stone on him out-jumped him in the vertical by a foot odd! Shows you just how incredible some lads in the NFL are athletically.

The NFL and its owners are the most hard headed bastards about as we have seen with the Swift/Kelce romance. If they think they can monetise LRZ and the novelty of having a Welsh player they will do it (for a while).

Be interesting to see how he does but his speed in the 40 alone won't keep him in the NFL, loads of kids coming out of college with that sort of speed. 
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Post by: thewobbler on March 29, 2024, 09:07:10 PM
Speed won't keep him in it alone. And the NFL (and America in general) is falling down with athletic monsters.

I'd still like to think that a lad who had 30 international rugby caps by the age of 22 might though be up to the standard of athleticism required.

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Comparing anyone to Derrick Henry is a bit of a tough gig too. He's a different level in terms of an ultra commited physical specimen even by NFl standards.
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Post by: lurganblue on March 29, 2024, 10:09:53 PM
Great for Smith. Who Dat!

Will be very interesting to see how he gets on. Saints never really replaced Lutz effectively.
Title: Re: American Sports Thread
Post by: gallsman on March 29, 2024, 10:13:52 PM
He's Smyth. Their official press release had "Smyth (pronounced Smith)" which gave me a laugh.
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