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[I ask do yous pay your manager and buy or not accordingly...]

My god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.

Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.

And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.

I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.

Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....

There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.

There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.

Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.

Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.

So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.

And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies

I did the door ticket thing a number of years ago, don't know that makes me a better club member than others who make different contributions, coaching kids, the army of ladies do the teas and all that at matches, those on the gate, people who land up for ground clean-ups... anyone lands here trying to sell a £20 ticket which isn't that often, I ask do yous pay your manager and buy or not accordingly... 

I've asked on here before, does anyone know any club that pay an outside manager through club funds? I'm not aware of any.

Truthsayer, does your club pay an outside manager? Does the money come from club funds or a benefactor / sponsor?

I know of clubs paying through club funds, sometimes allocating specific fundraisers. I rem a club the senior players did the fundraising as they drove the paid manager idea while another the senior players gave a direct debit!
Aye there's benefactors, I think are misguided... and I don't mean expenses diesel etc..

My god there are some crying hoors in the GAA who want everything for free, I surely hope they are over represented on this board or the organisation is truely in trouble.

Crying about the price of tickets to games, and the price of diesel to get to games, and how much a feed costs, and having to get a ticket for the wains, and not getting to see every game on FTA tv, and the game they just saw was lateral shite, and the forward mark, and the studio analysis, and negative managers, and people coming to the door selling tickets for their club, and the amount of money the GAA has, and the lack of money the GAA gives our club, ad nauseum ad nauseum ad nauseum.

And then thinking they are great GAA men when they've not ever wore a shirt or even washed a shirt.

I would say the vast majority of posters on here are not even GAA members.

Keyser, in my experience a good auld moan and gripe is the common language of humanity. I've spent plenty of time abroad and worked with many nationalities and the average gaa fan or poster on this board is no different to the majority everywhere else (well west coast USA with their unwavering positivity might be the exception).
And as for your comment on posters probably not being members, I suspect the vast majority of us are pretty involved with gaa at some level. We are the diehards or we wouldn't be on here in the first place. Not that many people find discussions on the kickout strategies of Armagh all that interesting you know....

There certainly are diehards on here but a majority, definitely not.

There was a thread on ticket selling on here recently.

Not only was there just one poster, of the many who contributed to the thread, who had actually gone out to sell tickets, but there were quite a few who were complaining about being asked to buy a ticket by clubs coming to their door, and there were even a few calling for it to be banned.

Like what sort of GAA person would begrudge being ASKED to voluntarily contribute a few quid to the GAA, by a person who is giving up their time to travel around the country to raise funds for their local club. The people selling the tickets are diehards, people whinging about it on Gaaboard are blowhards.

So no I don't agree that a majority are GAA diehards, their diehardness extends to going to county matches and complaining their hole off on GAA board about stuff they probably know very little about.

And yes that would indeed include Armagh kickout strategies

I did the door ticket thing a number of years ago, don't know that makes me a better club member than others who make different contributions, coaching kids, the army of ladies do the teas and all that at matches, those on the gate, people who land up for ground clean-ups... anyone lands here trying to sell a £20 ticket which isn't that often, I ask do yous pay your manager and buy or not accordingly... 

Watch this space with Jarlath. Grand speeches in the Hogan Stand all very well but as far as I can see hes another driven by corporate mentality of GAA hierarchy. Never trusted him since he suggested the Irish anthem and flag could be removed to placate unionism, then backtracked when he seen the reaction.
Burns has seized on one sentence of what Sean said in order to deflect from selling off our games thereby leaving many GAA lifelong grassroots members behind.

THIS

Is it not true?...
https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=26302.0

I'm not w

I don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.

you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........

I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.

I'm not even sure they are maximising profits. A replay of an ulster final or
All Ireland semi final would likely  surpass the revenue earned in the preliminary quarter finals.

6 games per group x 4 groups =24
+4 pqf
+ 4 qf
=32 matches
Even with 20k per match that is the attendance equivalent of over 7 all Ireland finals

We're talking bout get rid of 4 x pqf and top two in each group into qf. Also price of AI final ticket is maybe 6 times more...

I don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.

you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........

I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.

To what end? Who is benefiting from these profits?

Whoever is benefiting does not give a licence to do whatever you want, no matter how unscrupulous or adversely affecting our games, in order to make profits.

I don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.

you have got it all wrong. Its all money. Grab all association and what have you..........

I wouldn't go that far but is people in Croke Park whose remit is to maximise profits and at times they need to be reined in.

I don't know what the motivation was but there certainly is some logic in the 3 teams going through other than money. It greatly reduces the number of dead rubbers and increases the importance of topping the group.

It also evens up provincial issues.

I suppose how we view things: I view it as extra games more £££ for GAA: extra games I'd like to see is replays rather than penalty shoot-outs, certainly for a Provincial final and from AI quarter-finals on..

The GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past

Perfectly put.

The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.

if this was actually the case we wouldnt have season tickets or packages for the all ireland group stages would we

Or to entice people in... do u think 2nd and 3rd place play-offs are necessary for next round of football rather than top 2 go into quarter-final? Poorly thought out cynical way to make money while Ulster final reduced to penalties because we haven't time for a replay...

The GAA must be the only organisation where fans want them to move with the times yet remain stuck in the past

Perfectly put.

The modern business phenomenon of trying to clean as much money off people as possible is one we could do without in the GAA.

It is GAA elite's attempts to carve up our national games and privatise and sell off the profitable, prestige games. Our best and most high profile games should be available to all grass roots GAA members via our national broadcaster. Jarlath's efforts to play the man and not the ball in this debate betrays the weakness of his argument.

Only the high profile games, so half the counties would never appear? Is that the GAA you want?

That is some interpretation on what I said! 😆 whatever games are covered should be free to air but they are selling off the profitable high prestige games. Its not that complicated!

[sentimental nonsense]

You mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?

No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.

What size do you think that very specific demographic is?

I don't known. Even a few is too many.

Is it really though?

Not to you obviously

I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:

1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.

This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.

There you go... I'm alrite fuc u Jack... as for Jarlath Burns he's part of that corporate mindset likes to make grand speeches in the Hogan Stand and tell us what a great club man he is, but dismisses the disenfranchised grassroots when he's challenged.. 

But the grassroots have never had it better! Every hole in the hedge has a state of the art hub now or is building one.
How do you expect the GAA to continue to fund these? Magic money tree?

I also think you are in the minority on this.

It is GAA elite's attempts to carve up our national games and privatise and sell off the profitable, prestige games. Our best and most high profile games should be available to all grass roots GAA members via our national broadcaster. Jarlath's efforts to play the man and not the ball in this debate betrays the weakness of his argument.

[sentimental nonsense]

You mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?

No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.

What size do you think that very specific demographic is?

I don't known. Even a few is too many.

Is it really though?

Not to you obviously

I don't believe there is a significant cohort who as you say:

1) Are elderly
2) Gave their life to the GAA
3) Are too sick to go to games
4) Cannot afford to go to a game
5) Family cannot afford to buy them a ticket
6) Family will not take them to the pub to see it.

This is the sentimental nonsense Jarlath Burns was talking about.

There you go... I'm alrite fuc u Jack... as for Jarlath Burns he's part of that corporate mindset likes to make grand speeches in the Hogan Stand and tell us what a great club man he is, but dismisses the disenfranchised grassroots when he's challenged.. 

You mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?

No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.

What size do you think that very specific demographic is?

I don't known. Even a few is too many.

Is it really though?

Not to you obviously

You mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?

No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.

What size do you think that very specific demographic is?

I don't known. Even a few is too many.

You mean not providing free entertainment to casual armchair followers of gaelic games ?

No I mean there's elderly people, gave their life to GAA, not well enough to go to games that can't afford to pay and families can't afford it or to take crowd kids to a local pub.