Only he doesn't use the granny rule.Seriously his decision to once again globetrot after Crossmaglen's Championship season ends shows he has little faith in the County team's ability and even less loyalty.I only hope that he is not shipped home and parachuted in if the County team exceeds his expectations this summer
Sure he has consistently proved that he is not up to county standard, his actions are a self acceptance of the fact that he doesnt have it at that level.
The question should be why the rest of you Buckies cant accept it?
I think it's a case of there's more to life than running your balls off 7 nights a week, for a handful of games. The amount of training and commitment needed nowadays for even club football, is so ridiculous, young fellas are leaving in their droves.
Good luck to Jamie. He's a young lad wanting to see the world and enjoy new experiences. Football is only a game.
My god what bullshit. Jamie is one of the best footballers in the country. It's the intercounty demands on players that is the issue here. Jamie could be playing to st patrick day with rangers then thrown into Armagh team until early summer then straight back into club championship. These lads need to live a little also.
Was a top forward 2/3 yrs ago. Wouldn't make the current Tyrone team. Not the starting 15 anyway. Fair play to him I say.
It's perhaps the biggest flaw in Gaelic Football as a game, that an average player who is in great shape, is usually a better option than a great player who is in average shape.
In effect it means that average players can set the standards that everyone else has to follow... except the skill levels revert towards the mean.
Jamie is his own man, and good luck to him. If more players follow his lead then someone somewhere might actually listen.
Quote from: redzone on January 05, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Was a top forward 2/3 yrs ago. Wouldn't make the current Tyrone team. Not the starting 15 anyway. Fair play to him I say.
Yawn, poor attempt at trolling, he would start on any team in the country.
playing in the position is a torture in modern gaa and is worse the smaller and more talented you are. In county games it would be him against about 4 defenders then there are defenders like mcmenamin, mcmahon, mcgee etc you encounter these days who would just torture him. He would walk on any team if he committed but seems more committed to enjoying his life which is perfectly reasonable.
I doubt if it was the Armagh squad of 2002 he would be gallivanting to the States.The County team should be the priority for a top player in what is a relatively short career.I pity the likes of Ronan Clarke who had no say in when their County career stopped and started.As I say,should he get tired of travelling if and when Armagh are playing in August this year,he is not parachuted into the squad
Quote from: stew on January 05, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 05, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Was a top forward 2/3 yrs ago. Wouldn't make the current Tyrone team. Not the starting 15 anyway. Fair play to him I say.
Yawn, poor attempt at trolling, he would start on any club team in the country.
I thought we were talking intercounty stew?
Quote from: stew on January 05, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 05, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Was a top forward 2/3 yrs ago. Wouldn't make the current Tyrone team. Not the starting 15 anyway. Fair play to him I say.
Yawn, poor attempt at trolling, he would start on any team in the country.
That's just a honest opinion stew. Matty Donnelly, mark Bradley, Sean cavanagh, Darren mccurry,lee Brennan, miles better than him. He can only play left corner forward or else full forward. He's no right foot and lazy as sin. He was a class act on his day but unfortunately that's 2/3 years ago.
I'd be surprised if McGeeney doesn't have him back for the big summer matches. Top managers have good powers of persuasion.
You would expect this thread would be started by someone from a rival county, certainly not one of our own. Given the savage level of commitment xpected of players you have to admire his single mindedness for not being a lap dog which is what lot of county players are these days. Whilst I would love to have seen him playing for Armagh this year, I'm not too sure I could blame him for making the decision.
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Quote from: stew on January 05, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 05, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Was a top forward 2/3 yrs ago. Wouldn't make the current Tyrone team. Not the starting 15 anyway. Fair play to him I say.
Yawn, poor attempt at trolling, he would start on any team in the country.
That's just a honest opinion stew. Matty Donnelly, mark Bradley, Sean cavanagh, Darren mccurry,lee Brennan, miles better than him. He can only play left corner forward or else full forward. He's no right foot and lazy as sin. He was a class act on his day but unfortunately that's 2/3 years ago.
Bradley , brennan , your seriously having a laugh , there's one thing trolling but making an eeeijet of yourself is another thing , ask a Dublin player or a Kerry man or a mayo would they like to have one of Jamie clarke , mark Bradley and and I can't even give you the first name of the brennan guy as he has done nothing in senior football ,,,,I know the answer u would get back .
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Quote from: stew on January 05, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
Quote from: redzone on January 05, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Was a top forward 2/3 yrs ago. Wouldn't make the current Tyrone team. Not the starting 15 anyway. Fair play to him I say.
Yawn, poor attempt at trolling, he would start on any team in the country.
That's just a honest opinion stew. Matty Donnelly, mark Bradley, Sean cavanagh, Darren mccurry,lee Brennan, miles better than him. He can only play left corner forward or else full forward. He's no right foot and lazy as sin. He was a class act on his day but unfortunately that's 2/3 years ago.
Bradley , brennan , your seriously having a laugh , there's one thing trolling but making an eeeijet of yourself is another thing , ask a Dublin player or a Kerry man or a mayo would they like to have one of Jamie clarke , mark Bradley and and I can't even give you the first name of the brennan guy as he has done nothing in senior football ,,,,I know the answer u would get back .
Bottom line is that in his first season of senior football, Mark Bradley has put in a big performance at a higher level than Jamie Clarke has managed in his career.
A year away will allow other Armagh forwards to step up to the plate so that when he returns next year it will be to a more rounded, ambitious team capable of winning something. ;D
Well it is sleep time and I have had a hard days work! ;D
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 05, 2016, 11:46:03 PM
I'd be surprised if McGeeney doesn't have him back for the big summer matches. Top managers have good powers of persuasion.
Fair play to Clarke for living his life, In fairness to him I'd say he's running a mile from McGeeney and his over training and robotic team set ups. You can always tell a limited manager when his star players stay away. It's usually a case of clash of egos
On a more serious note I cannot believe how much Tyrone supporters over rate their team. I do not see many Dublin ones on about their latest star in the making, or Kerry or Mayo ones for that matter.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 06, 2016, 12:36:55 AM
On a more serious note I cannot believe how much Tyrone supporters over rate their team. I do not see many Dublin ones on about their latest star in the making, or Kerry or Mayo ones for that matter.
Who's overrating them?
Most of the Tyrone forward line have had big seasons at intercounty level. Jamie Clarke hasn't. It's clear he has quality but he hasn't the dedication to show that at senior county level, if he wants to live his life the way he does then all power to him.
Bomber get off the drink for the new year !!
Neither Bradley or mc curry are top level (no yet anyways) and to say lee brennan is better than clarke is ridiculous. Brennan's only competitive starts at senior level have been o fiach cup and v Queens in the mc kenna cup. We love to get carried away
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2016, 12:39:35 AM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 06, 2016, 12:36:55 AM
On a more serious note I cannot believe how much Tyrone supporters over rate their team. I do not see many Dublin ones on about their latest star in the making, or Kerry or Mayo ones for that matter.
Who's overrating them?
Most of the Tyrone forward line have had big seasons at intercounty level. Jamie Clarke hasn't. It's clear he has quality but he hasn't the dedication to show that at senior county level, if he wants to live his life the way he does then all power to him.
JC has proper football medals. He has more AI club senior football medals than the whole county of Tyrone.
Any time Clarke has played against us Mickey Harte has put two men on him. When they held him to a handful of points Harte commented that the Tyrone defence had performed well against a player of Clarke's quality. If Tyrone had someone with such finishing ability we would have been a lot closer in the last few seasons. The lads mentioned have great potential but it's early days yet.
Quote from: Throw ball on January 06, 2016, 12:36:55 AM
On a more serious note I cannot believe how much Tyrone supporters over rate their team. I do not see many Dublin ones on about their latest star in the making, or Kerry or Mayo ones for that matter.
Seriously??
How many years have you been on this board? ;D
Quote from: BennyCake on January 05, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
I think it's a case of there's more to life than running your balls off 7 nights a week, for a handful of games. The amount of training and commitment needed nowadays for even club football, is so ridiculous, young fellas are leaving in their droves.
Good luck to Jamie. He's a young lad wanting to see the world and enjoy new experiences. Football is only a game.
Agree entirely. The game today and the training/game time balance is not a proposition that will appeal to all. Jamie wouldn't get in the Dublin team but would feature regularly in all other teams and a mainstay of most. He is however one of the best players to watch. His movement on and off the ball and ability to run rings around masthead defenders are top class. As a spectator being good to watch must count for something
Quote from: thewobbler on January 05, 2016, 10:04:28 PM
It's perhaps the biggest flaw in Gaelic Football as a game, that an average player who is in great shape, is usually a better option than a great player who is in average shape.
In effect it means that average players can set the standards that everyone else has to follow... except the skill levels revert towards the mean.
Jamie is his own man, and good luck to him. If more players follow his lead then someone somewhere might actually listen.
Totally agree. The game is the worse for squeezing skill out at the expense of fitness, "good trainers", players who don't take risks and players prepared to motor. Up and down the pitch without touching the ball in the name of defensive discipline
Quote from: T Fearon on January 05, 2016, 09:26:14 PM
Only he doesn't use the granny rule.Seriously his decision to once again globetrot after Crossmaglen's Championship season ends shows he has little faith in the County team's ability and even less loyalty.I only hope that he is not shipped home and parachuted in if the County team exceeds his expectations this summer
Are you on the wind up?
Playing IC games is a hobby.
Quote from: smelmoth on January 06, 2016, 08:22:26 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 05, 2016, 10:04:28 PM
It's perhaps the biggest flaw in Gaelic Football as a game, that an average player who is in great shape, is usually a better option than a great player who is in average shape.
In effect it means that average players can set the standards that everyone else has to follow... except the skill levels revert towards the mean.
Jamie is his own man, and good luck to him. If more players follow his lead then someone somewhere might actually listen.
Totally agree. The game is the worse for squeezing skill out at the expense of fitness, "good trainers", players who don't take risks and players prepared to motor. Up and down the pitch without touching the ball in the name of defensive discipline
+1
I am sure when Jamie looks back on his career and his haul of All-Irelands he wont be regretting missing a few runs out in the qualifiers.
As an Armagh man it is disappointing but with the demands of the modern game I'm not that surprised. Kind of knew it was coming
Tony Fearon you are a complete DICK...although everyone else knows it here on the Board. I could bet my life on it you'd be the first arsehole to slap his back if you ran into him after a game, you come on here to slag one of your own off and you don't know the circumstances but only what you read in a news paper. The next time i see you around the AG i will tell you to your face as well.
If the lad wants to tour about get a few quid and sample a few of the local ladies then fair play to him and there's very few who would turn that down that had no commitments at home, there's more to life than football and the way the game is now especially at County level it's an easy decision for him. If he comes back, great!!! and if not thanks Jamie for your services.
P.S. JC would start on any County team in Ireland, if that man represented Kerry/Dubs or Mayo he'd be top scorer in the Country...
Jamie is a maverick. He has it in his personality. He likes to travel and drink coffee. Wear nice clothes and pose for Instagram. Visit art museums. Live a relaxed lifestyle. These aren't things you can enjoy if you're stuck training for a 1st round qualifier with Wicklow. I can't help thinking if it wasn't for the setup at Crossmaglen and the tightness those boys have he might have jacked football in altogether by now.
He has more ability in his wee toe than I ever have in my whole body and if he wants to travel then who or what is to stop him. As a follow of Armagh I'm disappointed. He hasn't been at his best in more recent times but still had a massive amount to offer. It's a great shame but I can't help but get the impression that he isn't convinced by the set up in Armagh at the minute. I wouldn't run the fella down too much for making the decision, like others I just think it's a huge shame.
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
Artist, artisan, bohemian. Jeez have you Cross men gone soft with that kind of language ;)
JC is a superb talent. If he had been around 20 years ago he would have picked up numerous all stars.
I remember a few years back he was FF against Cavan. He won his first ball with ease to be confronted by 4 Cavan defenders. Would sicken any purist that.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
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His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
Jamie is one of the few players you would jump in the car and travel a fair distance to go and watch. A special player with flare, style, vision and skill that should be appreciated and valued.
When he exits the footballing stage which hopefully won't be for a long time, we will look back on Jamie as this very special talent. He has ran a lot of defences ragged.
Best of luck to him in whatever he does in football and in life.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 06, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
Artist, artisan, bohemian. Jeez have you Cross men gone soft with that kind of language ;)
We all are artists in our own right, just some of us use a paint brush while others batter with a hammer and chisel!
if some of the posters in this forum had of decided to travel a bit like Jamie intends on doing then they wouldn't be as bitter and narrow minded as to bad mouth a young lad who, after winning more medals than most clubs will see in 10 years, wants to travel and see the world. catch yourselves on and good luck to Jamie!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on January 06, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
JC is a superb talent. If he had been around 20 years ago he would have picked up numerous all stars.
Absolutely.
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I remember a few years back he was FF against Cavan. He won his first ball with ease to be confronted by 4 Cavan defenders. Would sicken any purist that.
This was par for the course. However, in similar situations Cross have managed to get men into his zone to get a pass, he has delivered some passes from the middle of crowds that seemed impossible. There have been games where he only scored a point or two, but assisted in a dozen scores. But Armagh last year were so withdrawn that there was often nobody to pass to, so allowing the blanket render Clarke useless.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:42:54 AM
We all are artists in our own right, just some of us use a paint brush while others batter with a hammer and chisel!
Indeed, many drew the dole in an artistic way, others draw up contracts and the like, and some draw silage.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
In fairness he has taken time out from his Crossmaglen duties in the past also. He's a wanderer who comes in and out of both set ups as far as I can see.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
In fairness he has taken time out from his Crossmaglen duties in the past also. He's a wanderer who comes in and out of both set ups as far as I can see.
Of course he has but when push came to shove he has come in and done his duty for the club. I can see him playing very little again as he is a wanderer but he is a special talent.
You have to hand it to Clarke, he's 26, hasn't done a days work in his life and has managed to see half the world on the back of his hobby which he hasn't even managed to really influence at the highest level of intercounty football.
Clarke hasn't done it at county level, that's just the bottom line of the matter. If he mirrored the efforts of other players he'd be one of the best in the country but he hasn't and that means he shouldn't be above criticism.
..From who?.
guys behind keyboards, barstool experts?
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
You have to hand it to Clarke, he's 26, hasn't done a days work in his life and has managed to see half the world on the back of his hobby which he hasn't even managed to really influence at the highest level of intercounty football.
Clarke hasn't done it at county level, that's just the bottom line of the matter. If he mirrored the efforts of other players he'd be one of the best in the country but he hasn't and that means he shouldn't be above criticism.
that's gutter rag levels of insight. The country has, is,and always will be full of supremely talented players who for reasons ranging from team tactics to geographical birth, haven't achieved great success at county level. There's no bottom line here unless you aspire to the adage that anything other then ultimate success (in your terms county glory) is failure. Balls!
Jamie Clarke is an absolute joy to watch. He's naturally fit, naturally fast, can take take a hit and plays with skill and vision very very few others have. We're talking Linden, O'Neill levels. Tyrone posters have posted the names of a reek of current Tyrone forwards, listen, not a single one of them would come near to lacing Clarke's boots. Not even near it!
Best of luck to the lad.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
I disagree on whether he would make the Dublin side but that is unproveable either way. The thread is being used to assess Jamie's ability but as surely the big issue here is the direction of travel of modern football (away from skill) and the specific set up in Armagh (reduced time with clubs, training like galley slaves, a limited match day gameplan that is neither exciting to watch or play in and ultimately a results outlook that is less than rosey).
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
I disagree on whether he would make the Dublin side but that is unproveable either way. The thread is being used to assess Jamie's ability but as surely the big issue here is the direction of travel of modern football (away from skill) and the specific set up in Armagh (reduced time with clubs, training like galley slaves, a limited match day gameplan that is neither exciting to watch or play in and ultimately a results outlook that is less than rosey).
Connerton was in the paper today saying that 40% of the invitations he sent out to join his County panel were rejected. Cavan have lost 14 of last years panel . . . do we just ignore the problem until we're left with a bunch of running gym monkeys who can't kick a ball but are willing to train 4 hours a day to play football?!!
If the demands of inter county football weren't what they are Jamie Clarke would be playing. If he was around at the end of the 90s/early 2000s he'd have been a great!!
Tony is winding lads, Jamie Clarke can do with his life as he sees fit, he has given more to football than he will ever get and instead of criticizing him Armagh men should simply say all the best Jamie and hope like hell they see him in the County Jersey again.
Quote from: screenexile on January 06, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 06, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
I disagree on whether he would make the Dublin side but that is unproveable either way. The thread is being used to assess Jamie's ability but as surely the big issue here is the direction of travel of modern football (away from skill) and the specific set up in Armagh (reduced time with clubs, training like galley slaves, a limited match day gameplan that is neither exciting to watch or play in and ultimately a results outlook that is less than rosey).
Connerton was in the paper today saying that 40% of the invitations he sent out to join his County panel were rejected. Cavan have lost 14 of last years panel . . . do we just ignore the problem until we're left with a bunch of running gym monkeys who can't kick a ball but are willing to train 4 hours a day to play football?!!
If the demands of inter county football weren't what they are Jamie Clarke would be playing. If he was around at the end of the 90s/early 2000s he'd have been a great!!
Very good point. I'd imagine it will take the nornal course where the GAA is reactive rather than pro-active. They will eventually be forced into doing something with widespread media highlighting the issue. The current levels of committment are only sustainable for a player with a certain type of lifestyle. Young, single, no full time job (preferably no job at all). If Rory O'Carroll can leave a winning set up living in the capital and having a world of opportunities beside him then you can see the problems and demands being placed on players.
Players have always opted out (due to work/family commitments or whatever) or went travelling.
Frank McGuigan headed to American for a few years in his pomp in the early 80s.
Brian Mcguigan & hub Hughes both left an all Ireland winning squad to head to Australia in 04/05.
Keith Higgins also spent a while in Australia in 2008
That's just off the top of my head.
Its not all down to the demands of modern football, its just life.
If that's what Rory O'Carroll & Jamie Clarke want to do, then fair play to them, they aren't the first and they certainly wont be the last
Quote from: screenexile on January 06, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 06, 2016, 11:27:10 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
I disagree on whether he would make the Dublin side but that is unproveable either way. The thread is being used to assess Jamie's ability but as surely the big issue here is the direction of travel of modern football (away from skill) and the specific set up in Armagh (reduced time with clubs, training like galley slaves, a limited match day gameplan that is neither exciting to watch or play in and ultimately a results outlook that is less than rosey).
Connerton was in the paper today saying that 40% of the invitations he sent out to join his County panel were rejected. Cavan have lost 14 of last years panel . . . do we just ignore the problem until we're left with a bunch of running gym monkeys who can't kick a ball but are willing to train 4 hours a day to play football?!!
If the demands of inter county football weren't what they are Jamie Clarke would be playing. If he was around at the end of the 90s/early 2000s he'd have been a great!!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/physio-claims-young-gaa-players-are-institutionalised-and-sufferlong-term-repercussions-374628.html
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
I disagree on whether he would make the Dublin side but that is unproveable either way. The thread is being used to assess Jamie's ability but as surely the big issue here is the direction of travel of modern football (away from skill) and the specific set up in Armagh (reduced time with clubs, training like galley slaves, a limited match day gameplan that is neither exciting to watch or play in and ultimately a results outlook that is less than rosey).
Connerton was in the paper today saying that 40% of the invitations he sent out to join his County panel were rejected. Cavan have lost 14 of last years panel . . . do we just ignore the problem until we're left with a bunch of running gym monkeys who can't kick a ball but are willing to train 4 hours a day to play football?!!
If the demands of inter county football weren't what they are Jamie Clarke would be playing. If he was around at the end of the 90s/early 2000s he'd have been a great!!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/physio-claims-young-gaa-players-are-institutionalised-and-sufferlong-term-repercussions-374628.html
That is on the mark. For those that have put in 10 years into the modern set up a big number get out at about 30 and start a family. I knwo Andy Mallon came back but he was part of a great Armagh U21 team that quickly got into the senior team. McKeever is possibly the only one playing county football now. The rest made the decision to drop out when they were good enough to play. Only Stephen Kernan was dropped by management rather than going himself. Swift, Duffy & Mackin, Henderson dropped out in their 20s and B Mallon, A Kernan and Morriarty when the family route ("salvage some of their life") at abut the 30 mark
Quote from: T Fearon on January 05, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
I doubt if it was the Armagh squad of 2002 he would be gallivanting to the States.The County team should be the priority for a top player in what is a relatively short career.I pity the likes of Ronan Clarke who had no say in when their County career stopped and started.As I say,should he get tired of travelling if and when Armagh are playing in August this year,he is not parachuted into the squad
ffs give the lad a break, he should be enjoying himself ,the gaa don`t reward the sacrifices these guys make.
I look at the great 2002 team and can`t see anyone who has benefitted that much from those halcyon days save for guys who are managing teams.
medals and slapps on the back don't pay bills Tony
Rafferty is away this year, Harold has quit,mc kenna has quit , mallon is a maybe, moriarity has quit,
if you were in cross on sunday you can understand why he is going
we are awful
Well if Oisin,Mc Geeney,and Marsden (or anyone else in that great team) had decided to go wandering in the summer of 2002, would Sam have come to Armagh? Jamie will be a young man still when he retires and will have plenty of time for wandering then.Meanwhile I cannot fathom any Gael approving of arguably their County's best player in his prime years,forsaking a season in the County colours to go on an extended holiday? In fact I cannot think of any other high profile player who has done this (those who emigrated to Australia for professional careers,or the USA for work,which is understandable to a certain extent, excepted).
But BC hit the nail on the head,the lad is a glory hunter and perceives that Armagh have no chance of doing anything this summer.How demoralising this must be for his manager and county team mates,never mind the supporters
As a Tyrone supporter I gotten say he is a top class player. He doesn't quite have enough to carry an IC team on his back but an in form Clarke would waltz onto all teams in Ireland (bar maybe Dublin).....including Tyrone
Cross have been on the go for quite a while. Clarke is just expected to line out For Armagh when their run ends. 12 months a year, year after year. That is just plain crazy. I'd be wondering what the hell was wrong with a player if he didn't take the odd break from that!
Quote from: BennyCake on January 06, 2016, 07:16:27 PM
Cross have been on the go for quite a while. Clarke is just expected to line out For Armagh when their run ends. 12 months a year, year after year. That is just plain crazy. I'd be wondering what the hell was wrong with a player if he didn't take the odd break from that!
He has more breaks then Daniel Sturridge. He's not interested and that's it.
With all due respect to those above saying the 2002 team didn't do well should review the salaries of Kieran Mc Geeney and Tony Mc Entee.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on January 06, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
You have to hand it to Clarke, he's 26, hasn't done a days work in his life and has managed to see half the world on the back of his hobby which he hasn't even managed to really influence at the highest level of intercounty football.
Clarke hasn't done it at county level, that's just the bottom line of the matter. If he mirrored the efforts of other players he'd be one of the best in the country but he hasn't and that means he shouldn't be above criticism.
I concur. Why do I travel and pay in to see Armagh play when I know they are never at full strength? Answer - cause I'm an idiot.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 06, 2016, 09:25:20 AM
The reason why Jamie Clarke would start and stand out on the Dublin or Kerry teams is that the difference between them and Armagh is that they have other talented forwards which means that the defenders cannot afford to double mark Jamie. I've seen him at training and in matches and some of the things he is capable of is unreal and for pure talent he is in the top 3-4 in the country, on pure talent. He is not a grafter, he is the artist not the artisan. Armagh have 5 artisans and an artist when he plays, the likes of kerry would have 3 artists and 3 artisans who have artistic tendencies!!
His first love is his club, as it should be for every single player that plays the game and he is more committed to Cross than Armagh, as it should be for any club player. The difference is that he knows he will get success with Cross, that will not happen very often in Armagh. There are too many deficiencies in the county set up and as a result the artisan is becoming more popular than the artist. Anyhow, it makes no odds and from a Cross perspective I am glad we have him when we have. At club level he will be replaced eventually but we enjoy him for his bohemian approach to the game!
In fairness he has taken time out from his Crossmaglen duties in the past also. He's a wanderer who comes in and out of both set ups as far as I can see.
As a neutral this is extremely disappointing, not to see the wizardry of one of the few rare skilled talents left in forward football for another year. He remains one of the few forwards in the game that you whisper to your kids...Thats Jamie Clarke.. Its amazing that Cross are a big club and capable of withstanding his loss, unfortunately for Armagh County they cannot.
Armagh were always a hard hard team who couldnt play football and who won fcuk all until Mc Alinden /Canavan/ Joe Kernan had them winning playing hard but playing football, but with one eye on Sunday it looks like they are going nowhere fast this year either... Just hard again.. Is there even room for a footballer in that camp or am I being harsh.
Lmfao rhhf,
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Quote from: BennyCake on January 06, 2016, 07:16:27 PM
Cross have been on the go for quite a while. Clarke is just expected to line out For Armagh when their run ends. 12 months a year, year after year. That is just plain crazy. I'd be wondering what the hell was wrong with a player if he didn't take the odd break from that!
He has more breaks then Daniel Sturridge. He's not interested and that's it.
With all due respect to those above saying the 2002 team didn't do well should review the salaries of Kieran Mc Geeney and Tony Mc Entee.
Maybe he's not interested. Maybe he's one of these people that football is not going to consume every aspect of his life, and won't be taking up all his time. Nothing wrong with his attitude. Actually, it's quite normal.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 06, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
In fact I cannot think of any other high profile player who has done this
Rory O'Carroll - holder of 3 x Senior AI, 1 x Club AI and 1 x U21 AI did the same this week
In my opinion Clarke would walk on any county team and be their best forward. If he played on the Dublin or Kerry teams he would be a superstar, unbelievable player.
Its actually laughable (and slightly worrying) at the mentality of some guys on here who cant fathom young guys deciding not to let football rule their lives.
Yes id say it is frustrating from a spectator point of view that one of your top players chooses to do other things with their time but at the end of the day nobody has a monopoly on these guys.
The more Jamie Clarkes out the better I say.
Its sad that our games haven't room for the maverick player anymore. The uber-fit, gym-rat with f*k all skills prevails nowadays.
Bottom line is the output doesn't anywhere equate to the input from players.
Id say Jamie Clarke is laughin his balls off at the 'furore' some people kick up.
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Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2016, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 06, 2016, 07:16:27 PM
Cross have been on the go for quite a while. Clarke is just expected to line out For Armagh when their run ends. 12 months a year, year after year. That is just plain crazy. I'd be wondering what the hell was wrong with a player if he didn't take the odd break from that!
He has more breaks then Daniel Sturridge. He's not interested and that's it.
With all due respect to those above saying the 2002 team didn't do well should review the salaries of Kieran Mc Geeney and Tony Mc Entee.
Maybe he's not interested. Maybe he's one of these people that football is not going to consume every aspect of his life, and won't be taking up all his time. Nothing wrong with his attitude. Actually, it's quite normal.
While Jamie is 'travelling', is gaelic football his only source of income?
I also think for an apparent Armagh supporter to start this thread and with that title really says a lot about them.
Idiotic.
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Quote from: INDIANA on January 06, 2016, 07:39:30 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 06, 2016, 07:16:27 PM
Cross have been on the go for quite a while. Clarke is just expected to line out For Armagh when their run ends. 12 months a year, year after year. That is just plain crazy. I'd be wondering what the hell was wrong with a player if he didn't take the odd break from that!
He has more breaks then Daniel Sturridge. He's not interested and that's it.
With all due respect to those above saying the 2002 team didn't do well should review the salaries of Kieran Mc Geeney and Tony Mc Entee.
Maybe he's not interested. Maybe he's one of these people that football is not going to consume every aspect of his life, and won't be taking up all his time. Nothing wrong with his attitude. Actually, it's quite normal.
While Jamie is 'travelling', is gaelic football his only source of income?
no
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on January 07, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
I also think for an apparent Armagh supporter to start this thread and with that title really says a lot about them.
Idiotic.
Normally i would agree with you but look who started the thread
I went to the States every Summer when I was a student. Right through the championship season, every year for five years, I was having a good time in New York instead of playing football. Meath never even won a Leinster in those years. Coincidence?
Quote from: Hardy on January 07, 2016, 02:29:15 PM
I went to the States every Summer when I was a student. Right through the championship season, every year for five years, I was having a good time in New York instead of playing football. Meath never even won a Leinster in those years. Coincidence?
Is JC still a student, in visa terms?
Quote from: Hardy on January 07, 2016, 02:29:15 PM
I went to the States every Summer when I was a student. Right through the championship season, every year for five years, I was having a good time in New York instead of playing football. Meath never even won a Leinster in those years. Coincidence?
No, but in January 1987 a butterfly in the Amazon jungle flapped its wings...
The lad wants to live his life when he's young and no ties. Just because he's a Crossmaglen lad, doesn't mean he should be forever tied to the GAA.
Disappointing I know for Armagh fans, just as some of Tyrone boys jetted off to play Ozzie Rules, but we shouldn't begrudge them.
Quote from: Hardy on January 07, 2016, 02:29:15 PM
I went to the States every Summer when I was a student. Right through the championship season, every year for five years, I was having a good time in New York instead of playing football. Meath never even won a Leinster in those years. Coincidence?
I always thought you had treated the Louth Leinster final as a bonifide title win..
If you think Hardy was a student in 2010 you're sadly mistaken. :) Unless of course you mean a student of life :) Peter McDermott, rather than John McDermott, would be his era I'd say :)
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
So Hardy went to the 1947 AI Final in New York and stayed on for a few years.
In all seriousness (not that I wasn't being serious about Hardy!) I cannot fathom how a player attains the goal of every GAA player,to represent his county,then forsakes it to go travelling in his prime?
The more circumspect will notice that he does not desert his club and would face a Lynch mob I'd say if he dared to.
If as I suspect he thinks Armagh have little prospect of success could he at least not hang on to early summer before globetrotting.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 07, 2016, 06:30:43 PMThe more circumspect will notice that he does not desert his club and would face a Lynch mob I'd say if he dared to.
Here's a life lesson for you Tony.
Before you use a word like circumspect to support your argument, you should first check that your statement is indeed circumspect itself.
A clown and his shiny red nose are never easily parted.
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 07, 2016, 06:30:43 PMThe more circumspect will notice that he does not desert his club and would face a Lynch mob I'd say if he dared to.
Here's a life lesson for you Tony.
Before you use a word like circumspect to support your argument, you should first check that your statement is indeed circumspect itself.
A clown and his shiny red nose are never easily parted.
Perceptive maybe as opposed to circumspect?
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
He's hardly f**king average there wouldn't be a thread on him otherwise
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
There have been many great players who because of were they where born never achieved anything at county level. There are even more average players who because of were they where born achieved a great deal.
This is akin to Roy Keane departing from Saipan.I didn't hear then that he was burnt out after a hard club season or he has the right to take or leave the World Cup.No it was rightly called letting your country and team mates down
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Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
There have been many great players who because of were they where born never achieved anything at county level. There are even more average players who because of were they where born achieved a great deal.
Rubbish- the likes of Kevin O Brien, Spike Fagan, Mickey Quinn and others achieved greatness because they were great. Jamie Clarke isn't. He's had no career at county level worth talking about- how many games has he ever dominated at county level? Count them on one hand.
He's a good club player like a lot of people on this board. That's all. Cross have built a myth up about him - not anywhere near even one of thier great players IMO. It's his perogative what way he wants to live his life.
I don't agree with the monastic existence at county level evident in some counties but he's never played to any standard at county level on a consistent basis to be considered a top players. I'm constantly amazed by the level of new coverage each new departure gets
I wouldn't necessarily say clarke is up there with the best of the best however...
The modern game is very different. If teams have one marquee forward systems are put in place to counteract them along with double marking etc. You put a system in place for brogan and connolly gets you or vice versa and the same goes for other combinations of dublin forwards as there are so many if them.
These systems aren't as prevalent or well executed in leinster in general either. In ulster however they are rife.
In summary if you are from a poorer team these days, even if you are outstanding, it is harder to stand out...
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say clarke is up there with the best of the best however...
The modern game is very different. If teams have one marquee forward systems are put in place to counteract them along with double marking etc. You put a system in place for brogan and connolly gets you or vice versa and the same goes for other combinations of dublin forwards as there are so many if them.
These systems aren't as prevalent or well executed in leinster in general either. In ulster however they are rife.
In summary if you are from a poorer team these days, even if you are outstanding, it is harder to stand out...
I disagree. There are outstanding players on so called weaker counties standing out every year.
I don't recall Rory O'Carroll getting as much stick on his thread. Why is it ok for him and not for Clarke?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 07, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
I don't recall Rory O'Carroll getting as much stick on his thread. Why is it ok for him and not for Clarke?
Because Rory's position in the pantheon of great players is secure.
Jamie like the rest of us can only wonder what it's like to achieve greatness.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 07, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
I don't recall Rory O'Carroll getting as much stick on his thread. Why is it ok for him and not for Clarke?
It's ok for both to go swanning off! Why? Because they are free agents. They do have any contracts to the GAA, never had! That's the beauty of being Amateur. Just because you are a good player or more wanted by your county means nothing if you don't want to commit. It's gas how the GAA community think they own these players and that the player should be grateful to sacrifice their youth for the cause.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 07, 2016, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 07, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
I don't recall Rory O'Carroll getting as much stick on his thread. Why is it ok for him and not for Clarke?
It's ok for both to go swanning off! Why? Because they are free agents. They do have any contracts to the GAA, never had! That's the beauty of being Amateur. Just because you are a good player or more wanted by your county means nothing if you don't want to commit. It's gas how the GAA community think they own these players and that the player should be grateful to sacrifice their youth for the cause.
Nobody owns them and I think it's very good for players to have a broad experience of life. That's not what the question was. Mine is why is it a news story at all?
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say clarke is up there with the best of the best however...
The modern game is very different. If teams have one marquee forward systems are put in place to counteract them along with double marking etc. You put a system in place for brogan and connolly gets you or vice versa and the same goes for other combinations of dublin forwards as there are so many if them.
These systems aren't as prevalent or well executed in leinster in general either. In ulster however they are rife.
In summary if you are from a poorer team these days, even if you are outstanding, it is harder to stand out...
I disagree. There are outstanding players on so called weaker counties standing out every year.
Name them just so I can compare them to Jamie Clarke.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 07, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say clarke is up there with the best of the best however...
The modern game is very different. If teams have one marquee forward systems are put in place to counteract them along with double marking etc. You put a system in place for brogan and connolly gets you or vice versa and the same goes for other combinations of dublin forwards as there are so many if them.
These systems aren't as prevalent or well executed in leinster in general either. In ulster however they are rife.
In summary if you are from a poorer team these days, even if you are outstanding, it is harder to stand out...
I disagree. There are outstanding players on so called weaker counties standing out every year.
Name them just so I can compare them to Jamie Clarke.
Seamus Quigley is one from 2015
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 07, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say clarke is up there with the best of the best however...
The modern game is very different. If teams have one marquee forward systems are put in place to counteract them along with double marking etc. You put a system in place for brogan and connolly gets you or vice versa and the same goes for other combinations of dublin forwards as there are so many if them.
These systems aren't as prevalent or well executed in leinster in general either. In ulster however they are rife.
In summary if you are from a poorer team these days, even if you are outstanding, it is harder to stand out...
I disagree. There are outstanding players on so called weaker counties standing out every year.
Name them just so I can compare them to Jamie Clarke.
Seamus Quigley is one from 2015
That was Sean.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
Where did he say he thinks he's better than an average player??
Also has he not got back to back All Ireland Clubs (and MOTM in one of those as well iirc) as well as 5 Ulster Club Championships!
He's achieved plenty and is an excellent player. Just because his county are not going well and he doesn't want to play for them doesn't mean he's lacking talent!!
Is O`Carroll not away to New Zealand for a job opportunity? Clarke away travelling?
Clarke is a very good player but doesn't get the chance to show it at county level as Armagh have no other forwards meaning teams focus on closing down the 1 man. Have yet to see a player yet that can play with 2 men marking him, though i did see Colm O`Rourke have a stormer when Skryne played Eire Og of Carlow with 3 men hanging off him most of the game 20 odd years ago, they still lost though!
Quote from: BennyCake on January 07, 2016, 11:20:46 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 11:03:18 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on January 07, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 07, 2016, 09:56:01 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say clarke is up there with the best of the best however...
The modern game is very different. If teams have one marquee forward systems are put in place to counteract them along with double marking etc. You put a system in place for brogan and connolly gets you or vice versa and the same goes for other combinations of dublin forwards as there are so many if them.
These systems aren't as prevalent or well executed in leinster in general either. In ulster however they are rife.
In summary if you are from a poorer team these days, even if you are outstanding, it is harder to stand out...
I disagree. There are outstanding players on so called weaker counties standing out every year.
Name them just so I can compare them to Jamie Clarke.
Seamus Quigley is one from 2015
That was Sean.
Near enough (chuckles to myself)
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Quote from: Throw ball on January 07, 2016, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
There have been many great players who because of were they where born never achieved anything at county level. There are even more average players who because of were they where born achieved a great deal.
Rubbish- the likes of Kevin O Brien, Spike Fagan, Mickey Quinn and others achieved greatness because they were great. Jamie Clarke isn't. He's had no career at county level worth talking about- how many games has he ever dominated at county level? Count them on one hand.
He's a good club player like a lot of people on this board. That's all. Cross have built a myth up about him - not anywhere near even one of thier great players IMO. It's his perogative what way he wants to live his life.
I don't agree with the monastic existence at county level evident in some counties but he's never played to any standard at county level on a consistent basis to be considered a top players. I'm constantly amazed by the level of new coverage each new departure gets
To be fair if you do not enjoy watching Jamie Clarke play football you must not enjoy football. The pity is that he should now be in the prime of his career and we are denied watching him play. It is our loss. But like all of us he is entitled to live his life as he sees fit and good luck to him
The hope from a Crossmaglen perspective, I would assume, is that the outlay they made to get him home for the Ulster championship will be enough to retain his services for the All Ireland run.
Quotealso has he not got back to back All Ireland Clubs (and MOTM in one of those as well iirc) as well as 5 Ulster Club Championship
So does a significant proportion of the male population of Cross!
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
You've changed your mind then Indiana? :P
(Your previously expressed admiration for him had stuck in my mind for some reason)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Yes both teams decided to play like Cavan. Lets ignore the facts that Armagh scored 1-17 against the same oppostion that Cavan scored 5 points, and that Roscomman posted a respectable tally. Would suit your argument better heh?
Cavan don't have Jamie Clarke. He was the difference as he always is for Armagh.
Like one wonders where you'd be without him.
He has the awful misfortune to be born in an era where he has only average individuals around him.
Had he been around in 2003-2008 you'd have won another 2 all-irelands at least
Quote from: J70 on January 08, 2016, 02:25:00 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
You've changed your mind then Indiana? :P
(Your previously expressed admiration for him had stuck in my mind for some reason)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Yes both teams decided to play like Cavan. Lets ignore the facts that Armagh scored 1-17 against the same oppostion that Cavan scored 5 points, and that Roscomman posted a respectable tally. Would suit your argument better heh?
Cavan don't have Jamie Clarke. He was the difference as he always is for Armagh.
Like one wonders where you'd be without him.
He has the awful misfortune to be born in an era where he has only average individuals around him.
Had he been around in 2003-2008 you'd have won another 2 all-irelands at least
;D
Ah Good old Indie, inconsistent memory to back up his hypothetical delusions are his speciality.
Sure SON made the difference between Tyrone and Dublin in 08 as well apparently.
Its all irrelevant anyway tho with his AI medals ::) . But he does appear to have similar outraged delusions as Charlie Redmond so whos to say but maybe its a Dub thing.
http://www.balls.ie/gaa/charlie-redmond-rages-at-biased-coverage-of-cillian-oconnors-actions/307267
A 7 page thread because a young man, who has given huge commitment to the GAA over the years and who owes Armagh in particular absolutely nothing, decides to live a little. The originator of this thread I bet has never played GAA at any sort of level or had a son bust his balls 6 days a week for dogs abuse and a handful of matches, this thread should be closed and those slating a man playing an amateur sport, or sorry deciding not to play it should be ashamed. I know of many county men who have quit this year for a variety of reasons are we going to start a thread about each of this, this sort of personal abuse is disgusting and harmful to individuals, whilst their is no issue discussing anyone's football ability questioning them as an individual and what they do with their life id pathetic, this thread should be deleted.
Quote from: Orchard Officer on January 08, 2016, 12:43:58 AM
The hope from a Crossmaglen perspective, I would assume, is that the outlay they made to get him home for the Ulster championship will be enough to retain his services for the All Ireland run.
He has already said he will be staying as did McGeeney. Indiana once again being called out for the bluffer that he is. Back to counting your imaginary medals and reminiscing about playing in front of all those big crowds!
Quote from: general_lee on January 06, 2016, 09:23:44 AM
Jamie is a maverick. He has it in his personality. He likes to travel and drink coffee. Wear nice clothes and pose for Instagram. Visit art museums. Live a relaxed lifestyle. These aren't things you can enjoy if you're stuck training for a 1st round qualifier with Wicklow. I can't help thinking if it wasn't for the setup at Crossmaglen and the tightness those boys have he might have jacked football in altogether by now.
He has more ability in his wee toe than I ever have in my whole body and if he wants to travel then who or what is to stop him. As a follow of Armagh I'm disappointed. He hasn't been at his best in more recent times but still had a massive amount to offer. It's a great shame but I can't help but get the impression that he isn't convinced by the set up in Armagh at the minute. I wouldn't run the fella down too much for making the decision, like others I just think it's a huge shame.
Spot on
Quote from: J70 on January 08, 2016, 02:25:00 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
You've changed your mind then Indiana? :P
(Your previously expressed admiration for him had stuck in my mind for some reason)
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:54:09 PM
Quote from: JP on July 19, 2014, 08:51:45 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on July 19, 2014, 08:45:45 PM
Good grief that was awful viewing. Both sides decided to play like Cavan.
Thank God for Jamie Clarke and Andy Mallon. Only reason for tuning in.
Roscommon flatter to deceive yet again.
Yes both teams decided to play like Cavan. Lets ignore the facts that Armagh scored 1-17 against the same oppostion that Cavan scored 5 points, and that Roscomman posted a respectable tally. Would suit your argument better heh?
Cavan don't have Jamie Clarke. He was the difference as he always is for Armagh.
Like one wonders where you'd be without him.
He has the awful misfortune to be born in an era where he has only average individuals around him.
Had he been around in 2003-2008 you'd have won another 2 all-irelands at least
Oh dear. Indiana's having a bad time on the board of late.
Quote from: No wides on January 08, 2016, 08:01:43 AM
A 7 page thread because a young man, who has given huge commitment to the GAA over the years and who owes Armagh in particular absolutely nothing, decides to live a little. The originator of this thread I bet has never played GAA at any sort of level or had a son bust his balls 6 days a week for dogs abuse and a handful of matches, this thread should be closed and those slating a man playing an amateur sport, or sorry deciding not to play it should be ashamed. I know of many county men who have quit this year for a variety of reasons are we going to start a thread about each of this, this sort of personal abuse is disgusting and harmful to individuals, whilst their is no issue discussing anyone's football ability questioning them as an individual and what they do with their life id pathetic, this thread should be deleted.
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 06, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
Well if Oisin,Mc Geeney,and Marsden (or anyone else in that great team) had decided to go wandering in the summer of 2002, would Sam have come to Armagh? Jamie will be a young man still when he retires and will have plenty of time for wandering then.Meanwhile I cannot fathom any Gael approving of arguably their County's best player in his prime years,forsaking a season in the County colours to go on an extended holiday? In fact I cannot think of any other high profile player who has done this (those who emigrated to Australia for professional careers,or the USA for work,which is understandable to a certain extent, excepted).
But BC hit the nail on the head,the lad is a glory hunter and perceives that Armagh have no chance of doing anything this summer.How demoralising this must be for his manager and county team mates,never mind the supporters
Tony you are getting to the stage where even St Luke's wouldn't take you. Armagh are at the stage where there are better players opting to have a life rather than commit to the drudgery McGeeney is visiting on the county panel. Read Benny T in the IN today it would appear Joe Brolly is not a lone voice. It is time to get some joy back into County football, both for players and spectators.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
There are two players now departed the Armagh squad that it has been my privilege to see playing for both club and county, both at superb in their respective positions. Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke, neither committing to county and I'd say geezer is the issue with his demands. IMO Geezer is making the mistake of believing that every player should work and train like he did, some don't need to.
Quote
The hope from a Crossmaglen perspective, I would assume, is that the outlay they made to get him home for the Ulster championship will be enough to retain his services for the All Ireland run.
He has already said he will be staying as did McGeeney. Indiana once again being called out for the bluffer that he is. Back to counting your imaginary medals and reminiscing about playing in front of all those big crowds!
Like Pillar the closest he's probably got to AI success was shaking Mickey Harte's hand after the match. 😊
Quote from: Orchard Officer on January 08, 2016, 12:43:58 AM
The hope from a Crossmaglen perspective, I would assume, is that the outlay they made to get him home for the Ulster championship will be enough to retain his services for the All Ireland run.
Yes, he played a major part in the Ulster championship!
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 08, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
There are two players now departed the Armagh squad that it has been my privilege to see playing for both club and county, both at superb in their respective positions. Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke, neither committing to county and I'd say geezer is the issue with his demands. IMO Geezer is making the mistake of believing that every player should work and train like he did, some don't need to.
I'm not sure about this. Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney. Why play top level sport if you arent willing to exert yourself? I'd always thought AK would be the type of player to thrive in such an enivorment which is why I was always shocked when he did hang the boots up; part of me feels there is something personal there - based on nothing other than my own opinion I might add. With Jamie, you might have a point, I think he once said something along the lines of "you can't kick a weight over the bar". That's true, but you still need to be able to break a tackle. Or three in his case. Conor McGregor said a good one recently "I'm not talented, I'm just obsessed". I think that should be nailed to the door of every changing room in the country.
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 08, 2016, 11:21:16 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 07, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 07, 2016, 06:03:34 PM
This thread reminds me of Russell Crowe in Gladiator growling at the crowd "are you not entertained?!!"
Is that what Clarke is, a slave who's life should be lived and conducted at the beck and call of the GAA and its supporters?
The man owes NO ONE outside of his family and friends any explanation or justification.
Agreed it's just that people shouldn't pretend he's a great player because he isn't. He's achieved nothing to be considered in that bracket.
Entitled to do whatever he wants like any man but he's not entitled to think he can be considered anything but an average player at county level
There are two players now departed the Armagh squad that it has been my privilege to see playing for both club and county, both at superb in their respective positions. Aaron Kernan and Jamie Clarke, neither committing to county and I'd say geezer is the issue with his demands. IMO Geezer is making the mistake of believing that every player should work and train like he did, some don't need to.
I'm not sure about this. Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney. Why play top level sport if you arent willing to exert yourself? I'd always thought AK would be the type of player to thrive in such an enivorment which is why I was always shocked when he did hang the boots up; part of me feels there is something personal there - based on nothing other than my own opinion I might add. With Jamie, you might have a point, I think he once said something along the lines of "you can't kick a weight over the bar". That's true, but you still need to be able to break a tackle. Or three in his case. Conor McGregor said a good one recently "I'm not talented, I'm just obsessed". I think that should be nailed to the door of every changing room in the country.
Conor mcgregors a c**k.
QuoteI'm not sure about this. Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney
Can you tell us which Armagh players have said that?
Fair play to Jamie.
Anyone know how much MccGeeney is getting paid for the Armagh job, got paid a fortune in Kildare. Is there a lot of money in Armagh GAA?
All his meals are paid for.. Supposedly he has a gold card for whatever orchard he chooses..
Quote from: StGallsGAA on January 08, 2016, 02:29:40 PM
QuoteI'm not sure about this. Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney
Can you tell us which Armagh players have said that?
I think they said they'd run through walls
from McGeeney
FYI the originator of this thread had a late brother who represented his county at all levels,and kept a career as a Doctor going simultaneously and who also won a Sigerson medal in 1982, after playing a semi final on the Saturday then a final that went to extra time against a Galway/Mayo select,a mere 24 hours later,back in the days when men were men,and football was the priority, regardless of whether your prospects of success were high or low.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 06:46:45 PM
FYI the originator of this thread had a late brother who represented his county at all levels,and kept a career as a Doctor going simultaneously and who also won a Sigerson medal in 1982, after playing a semi final on the Saturday then a final that went to extra time against a Galway/Mayo select,a mere 24 hours later,back in the days when men were men,and football was the priority, regardless of whether your prospects of success were high or low.
Sure it is the women like Caroline O'Hanlon who do that sort of craic nowadays.
Anyhow, there were no baristas in the 80s.
Unlike Caroline he took no career sabbatical and had a young family to struggle with too.Real men in those days.
What has the originator of this thread done though? apart from sit on the sideline making snide comments. Not that long ago Tony you were making nasty comments about McGeeney. Clarke is entitled to do what he likes...
Not arguing about his right to do what he wants.Just saying he is letting his County and the GAA down.
Just look at the phenomenal commitment,through thick no thin,given by Monaghan's Owen Lennon who announced his retirement today.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 08, 2016, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 06:46:45 PM
FYI the originator of this thread had a late brother who represented his county at all levels,and kept a career as a Doctor going simultaneously and who also won a Sigerson medal in 1982, after playing a semi final on the Saturday then a final that went to extra time against a Galway/Mayo select,a mere 24 hours later,back in the days when men were men,and football was the priority, regardless of whether your prospects of success were high or low.
Sure it is the women like Caroline O'Hanlon who do that sort of craic nowadays.
Anyhow, there were no baristas in the 80s.
Caroline was in Poyntzpass at Christmas for a charity 10k.
Sweet fcuk, a man who play football wants to have a life and live a bit. Good luck to him.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 06:46:45 PM
FYI the originator of this thread had a late brother who represented his county at all levels,and kept a career as a Doctor going simultaneously and who also won a Sigerson medal in 1982, after playing a semi final on the Saturday then a final that went to extra time against a Galway/Mayo select,a mere 24 hours later,back in the days when men were men,and football was the priority, regardless of whether your prospects of success were high or low.
And how many group sessions, individual sessions, etc were expected back then?
Did the dieticians and psychologists have a big say in the running of his life?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
Not arguing about his right to do what he wants.Just saying he is letting his County and the GAA down.
Tony, would you explain what you mean by "he is letting his County and the GAA down.
I know that words can mean different things to different people, if you follow me, but I cannot make sense of that comment.
Maybe you could explain how he came to be indebted to the GAA or to his own county.
Did he enter into any moral, legal or financial agreements with either body and did he announce in advance that he felt he was obliged to put the interests of the GAA and of his county before his personal welfare?
Quote from: Line Ball on January 08, 2016, 10:09:28 PM
Sweet fcuk, a man who play football wants to have a life and live a bit. Good luck to him.
Absolutely, Tony whose done nothing for his county trolls Jamie Clarke...
Being critical of someone is not trolling.
I think a player in his prime,who is arguably the best player in the County,but chooses not to make himself available for the county team,for the flimsy reason of wanting to see the world,is letting his County and the GAA (and all those in it who helped him attain his current level of ability and fitness etc) down.
Make no mistake about it,if Jamie was in the Mayo,Dublin or Kerry squads he would be staying for the summer.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 11:06:26 PM
Being critical of someone is not trolling.
I think a player in his prime,who is arguably the best player in the County,but chooses not to make himself available for the county team,for the flimsy reason of wanting to see the world,is letting his County and the GAA (and all those in it who helped him attain his current level of ability and fitness etc) down.
Make no mistake about it,if Jamie was in the Mayo,Dublin or Kerry squads he would be staying for the summer.
He would now, would he? ;D ;D
Ever heard of Keith Higgins or Alan Dillon, Tony? A few years ago, both took off for an extended world tour and left their boots behind them. They returned when they were good and ready and divil the bit of harm it did them!
Why is he delaying his exodus until the end of Crossmaglen's Championship season then?
What are these guys to do - park their life?
If i were an armagh fan i'd be disappointed but he hasn't let anyone down. He doesn't owe anyone anything.
When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
Scummy thread.
I got to be honest with you Tony, I'm disappointed in you. Despite disagreeing with you on a lot of topics, I always thought you put Celtic, Spurs, Armagh and their players above everything. To see you dragging Jamies name through the muck like this really does sadden me.
I think it's time we turn the lights off and leave Tony to himself in this thread.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
Lets be honest Tony...you love all the attention you get by starting these stupid threads and I suppose people like me and the others here give you that attention you crave by replying, I have seen you around the Athletic Grounds and you kiss the ass of anyone and everyone and as I stated earlier you'd be the first to pat J Clarke on the back after a match and tell him how well he'd done and then you'd think nothing of getting behind your keyboard and bad mouthing the lad. Does it not make you think that you're the only one here who thinks you're correct...lol.
I don't know the lad, I played against him once or twice and that's about it and he seemed a decent lad but he's entitled to do whatever he thinks is right for himself and not for some bald specky gobshite from Portadown or wherever you're from to try and tarnish his name across the internet and the worst of all is you call yourself an Armagh man. He should wrap on your door some night and see do you still have the same opinion...
Quote from: illdecide on January 09, 2016, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
Lets be honest Tony...you love all the attention you get by starting these stupid threads and I suppose people like me and the others here give you that attention you crave by replying, I have seen you around the Athletic Grounds and you kiss the ass of anyone and everyone and as I stated earlier you'd be the first to pat J Clarke on the back after a match and tell him how well he'd done and then you'd think nothing of getting behind your keyboard and bad mouthing the lad. Does it not make you think that you're the only one here who thinks you're correct...lol.
I don't know the lad, I played against him once or twice and that's about it and he seemed a decent lad but he's entitled to do whatever he thinks is right for himself and not for some bald specky gobshite from Portadown or wherever you're from to try and tarnish his name across the internet and the worst of all is you call yourself an Armagh man. He should wrap on your door some night and see do you still have the same opinion...
Well said sir. I think you have summed up the feelings of the vast majority.
Quote from: illdecide on January 09, 2016, 12:30:04 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
Lets be honest Tony...you love all the attention you get by starting these stupid threads and I suppose people like me and the others here give you that attention you crave by replying, I have seen you around the Athletic Grounds and you kiss the ass of anyone and everyone and as I stated earlier you'd be the first to pat J Clarke on the back after a match and tell him how well he'd done and then you'd think nothing of getting behind your keyboard and bad mouthing the lad. Does it not make you think that you're the only one here who thinks you're correct...lol.
I don't know the lad, I played against him once or twice and that's about it and he seemed a decent lad but he's entitled to do whatever he thinks is right for himself and not for some bald specky gobshite from Portadown or wherever you're from to try and tarnish his name across the internet and the worst of all is you call yourself an Armagh man. He should wrap on your door some night and see do you still have the same opinion...
Tony is obviously frustrated at Clarke's decision. You talk about Tony bad mouthing Clarke yet you personally insult the man, and wish violence upon the guy on his own doorstep.
While I don't agree with Tony on Clarke's decision, he at least kept his argument to footballing matters, but your comments are totally out of order.
Benny such is the hypocrisy on this thread and Board in general.I have done nothing more than criticise a decision made by Jamie,which I simply cannot understand.I have not personally insulted him and would be absolutely delighted if he was to have a change of heart on this matter.Nothing disappoints a fan more than a player's perceived lack of commitment to the jersey,when all fans of every team can only dream about wearing one.
I criticised Roy Keane for his decision in 2002,Sol Campbell for going back on his word and joining Arsenal,McGeeney for favouring Kildare over Armagh,and countless more of my sporting heroes,as I would guess most sports fans have done,and it's all borne out of disappointment.
The cruellest jibe of all is to be accused of baldness,not only factually inaccurate but automatically equating me with Shane O'Neill as well😠
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
"A statement to the effect" is your interpretation. He did not make any statement to that effect.
You read what bc1 said and joined your dots. I don't think he ever said about any belief of anything ever?
Statement by his actions.Stays with Crossmaglen because he sees hope of success,abandons Armagh as he sees no hope of success.No other viable conclusion.
Or it could be a winter v summer thing and having a life outside of Crossmaglen.
Sure even brokencrossbar moved out, learned the language and table etiquette.
In fairness Tony you have insulted him, by questioning Clarke's loyalty, suggesting he's not a 'real man' and basically accusing him of being a glory hunter.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 08:56:42 AM
Statement by his actions.Stays with Crossmaglen because he sees hope of success,abandons Armagh as he sees no hope of success.No other viable conclusion.
Maybe the fact that county football is in the summer is a factor and club football is in the winter?
There are plenty of viable conclusions.
Maybe he prefers travelling over football. Maybe he doesn't buy into geeze's philosophies. Maybe he doesn't like the way county football has moved and doesn't enjoy it. Maybe he isn't prepared to dedicate the time. All as viable as your conclusion. You are just second guessing and have formed an opinion based on that second guess and now have it as fact.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2016, 09:25:28 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 08:56:42 AM
Statement by his actions.Stays with Crossmaglen because he sees hope of success,abandons Armagh as he sees no hope of success.No other viable conclusion.
Maybe the fact that county football is in the summer is a factor and club football is in the winter?
There are plenty of viable conclusions.
Maybe he prefers travelling over football. Maybe he doesn't buy into geeze's philosophies. Maybe he doesn't like the way county football has moved and doesn't enjoy it. Maybe he isn't prepared to dedicate the time. All as viable as your conclusion. You are just second guessing and have formed an opinion based on that second guess and now have it as fact.
Maybe he thinks why should I display put my life on hold and display undying loyalty to the county cause so that I can have the knife twisted in my back by so called fans. Loyalty cuts both ways. Good luck Jamie you owe Armagh nothing and I am sure you will be back in the jersey when the time is right for you.
Compare and contrast this with the thirteen years unbroken service given by the likes of Owen Lennon,through thick and thin,to Monaghan.
If Jamie can provide an open honest and credible explanation as to why he's not making himself available for the County team this coming season (so far this hasn't been forthcoming) then I will retract every word.
This is Clarke's first campaign he has missed with Armagh since he made his debut if I'm correct?
He has missed plenty of Armagh Club Championships and quite a few Ulster Club Championship games in that time. The difference is Cross seem to indulge/can afford to indulge him with regard to swanning back in mid season. I don't think it's a case of him putting club before county, Jamie Clarke does what he wants to do and I've no problem with that.
I do think people overrate Clarke though, talentwise he is one of the best in the country but he has refused to work on certain aspects of his game which require improvement and would establish him as one of the best players in the country. He's never really put it together at a high level at county level and I'm not buying for one minute the excuse that it's because he's playing in a poor team. Armagh are not that poor, they had a great run in 2014 to the qf and Clarke was quite peripheral that year - there were probably a good 9/10 Armagh players who had a better year than him. They've pretty much been a solid side in the top 2 divisions in that side in that time and he's had other decent players around him.
He's not done it at the top level of intercounty football and that's because he does not take his game with the same application as the other top forwards in the country. That's not an attack on him, it's just the reality of the situation. Fair play to him for doing as he pleases and enjoying himself but it does not mean he shouldn't be immune for criticism, as a footballer.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 09:41:33 AM
Compare and contrast this with the thirteen years unbroken service given by the likes of Owen Lennon,through thick and thin,to Monaghan.
If Jamie can provide an open honest and credible explanation as to why he's not making himself available for the County team this coming season (so far this hasn't been forthcoming) then I will retract every word.
Why don't you ask him. I am sure he is on Facebook or Twitter.
Quote from: ONeill on January 09, 2016, 09:10:27 AM
Or it could be a winter v summer thing and having a life outside of Crossmaglen.
Sure even brokencrossbar moved out, learned the language and table etiquette.
Well, I moved out anyway!!!
Tony, as someone said above this is the first time he has not made himself available for Armagh in the championship since he started. He played 1 championship match for Cross this season and will play a maximum 2 more. He has missed more football for us over the years than Armagh and that will be the case in the future. For what it's worth he won't be playing for us either when he's away or has that escaped your attention. It seems we can adsorb it better than Armagh as we play to a system where the players are very inter-changeable. The lad lives his life. He has no ties or commitments. If he as plain Jimmy Clarke the quick club corner forward there wouldn't be a word of it.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 09:41:33 AM
If Jamie can provide an open honest and credible explanation as to why he's not making himself available for the County team this coming season (so far this hasn't been forthcoming) then I will retract every word.
As for this crap how f**king deluded are you to think that your opinion warrants a reply to from the las himself. He owes you nothing. He owes me nothing he owes no one on here anything.
Bc1 maybe you know him. Give him a shout there and tell him Tony Fearon demands an explanation as to why he is unavailable for armagh this year ;D Tell him Tony is a widely known internet phenomenon and it's the least he deserves ;D
'Jamie Clarke' username is still available here. Hopefully we get a reply from the man himself by this afternoon.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2016, 11:06:43 AM
Bc1 maybe you know him. Give him a shout there and tell him Tony Fearon demands an explanation as to why he is unavailable for armagh this year ;D Tell him Tony is a widely known internet phenomenon and it's the least he deserves ;D
I'll send him a message in Facebook here. I'll tell him he's not really a footballer till Tony has a photo of the 2 of them together which he will repost on Facebook ad naseum for years to come and he will then form part of his cadre! Armagh is his first love after all, after Celtic and Spurs of course!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 09, 2016, 11:22:36 AM
'Jamie Clarke' username is still available here. Hopefully we get a reply from the man himself by this afternoon.
I'll suggest that!
I think Jamie owes an explanation to all Armagh GAA supporters,many of whom (myself included) go to great lengths and considerable expense to follow the team,year in year out,and have a reasonable expectation of seeing the best players available.Is this unreasonable?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I think Jamie owes an explanation to all Armagh GAA supporters,many of whom (myself included) go to great lengths and considerable expense to follow the team,year in year out,and have a reasonable expectation of seeing the best players available.Is this unreasonable?
Are you forced to go watch Armagh, if you want to go see them that is your choice, no one from Armagh owes you a damn thing especially not an explanation as to why they are not available to play an amateur sport. You really have serious delusions about yourself.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I think Jamie owes an explanation to all Armagh GAA supporters,many of whom (myself included) go to great lengths and considerable expense to follow the team,year in year out,and have a reasonable expectation of seeing the best players available.Is this unreasonable?
How many matches do you pay for? Seems to be nothing but corporate freebies and competitions.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I think Jamie owes an explanation to all Armagh GAA supporters,many of whom (myself included) go to great lengths and considerable expense to follow the team,year in year out,and have a reasonable expectation of seeing the best players available.Is this unreasonable?
He owes you nothing. Not that long since you were bad mouthing Kieran McGeeney who also owes you nothing.
Lads you are taking the idiot's bait again... as I've pointed out on this board numerous times, you will never change this dinosaur's mind on anything, even by presenting the most irrefutable evidence.
The only way to deal with him is to starve him of the oxygen of attention which he so desperately craves.
Open the thread, roll your eyes, close it again and watch it tumble down the list to join the myriad of other nonsensical threads he has created here over the years.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I think Jamie owes an explanation to all Armagh GAA supporters,many of whom (myself included) go to great lengths and considerable expense to follow the team,year in year out,and have a reasonable expectation of seeing the best players available.Is this unreasonable?
Are you seriously as thick as this post suggests? You want to force a young man to train maybe 3 or 4 nights a week, give up most of his social life and opportunities to travel abroad so you can sit on your fat hole and give out about him once a week at a county game? And you want him to explain to you why he isn't playing? GAA players owe supporters nothing!
Training is all very fine, but think of the time we put in on the Internet!
Benny are you for real? No one forced the lad to take up football in the first place. He has developed to his current status as the County's best player by voluntarily putting the effort in,so having invested so much time and effort to attain his current status it is in my opinion reasonable to ask why he is not making himself available to the County team,given presumably it was one of his motivations to become a county player in the first place.
Are there issues with the management or other problems that are precluding his involvement,which could be ironed out.
Fearon you are a balloon, you want someone who volunteers his time in an amateur sport to explain why he can't volunteer his time, reading this thread alone is enough to put him off playing for Armagh. And you iniatated the thread.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 04:42:57 PM
Benny are you for real? No one forced the lad to take up football in the first place. He has developed to his current status as the County's best player by voluntarily putting the effort in,so having invested so much time and effort to attain his current status it is in my opinion reasonable to ask why he is not making himself available to the County team,given presumably it was one of his motivations to become a county player in the first place.
Are there issues with the management or other problems that are precluding his involvement,which could be ironed out.
But he owes you feck all because you go to watch the games! You get plenty of enjoyment out of going and if you didn't get anything from it you wouldn't go. Nobody forces you!! If you had other things going on and couldn't make a match you wouldn't go and no player would expect an explanation, even though you seem to think of yourself as the county's best supporter.
He clearly has other things he wants to do in his life while he's still young and has given plenty to the GAA already, no doubt we'll see him back soon. Hardly rocket science.
This is not some club player, this is the county's best player not making himself available to his county ffs.Is there not a clamour in every county in Ireland and criticisms of county boards and managers about players who the supporters feel should be in the County panel,but aren't?
It is entirely reasonable that his decision not to make himself available is questioned by the fans.
He is a very talented amateur sportsman playing an amateur sport, he owes you absolutely nothing. From your posts you are no fan, you are a parasite who lives of reactions to your ridiculous statements, Armagh will miss Jamie, no one would miss you if you don't attend games.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
This is not some club player, this is the county's best player not making himself available to his county ffs.Is there not a clamour in every county in Ireland and criticisms of county boards and managers about players who the supporters feel should be in the County panel,but aren't?
It is entirely reasonable that his decision not to make himself available is questioned by the fans.
And in your infinite wisdom as judge and jury here, what would be an acceptable explanation for you?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 12:59:15 PM
I think Jamie owes an explanation to all Armagh GAA supporters,many of whom (myself included) go to great lengths and considerable expense to follow the team,year in year out,and have a reasonable expectation of seeing the best players available.Is this unreasonable?
If he were a professional footballer being paid a wage coming from your "considerable expense" then no.
Given he is an amateur then yes it is very unreasonable.
he is not some celebrity who his "fans" make so he owes them. He is an amateur who does all this voluntarily.
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When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
Lets be honest Tony...you love all the attention you get by starting these stupid threads and I suppose people like me and the others here give you that attention you crave by replying, I have seen you around the Athletic Grounds and you kiss the ass of anyone and everyone and as I stated earlier you'd be the first to pat J Clarke on the back after a match and tell him how well he'd done and then you'd think nothing of getting behind your keyboard and bad mouthing the lad. Does it not make you think that you're the only one here who thinks you're correct...lol.
I don't know the lad, I played against him once or twice and that's about it and he seemed a decent lad but he's entitled to do whatever he thinks is right for himself and not for some bald specky gobshite from Portadown or wherever you're from to try and tarnish his name across the internet and the worst of all is you call yourself an Armagh man. He should wrap on your door some night and see do you still have the same opinion...
Tony is obviously frustrated at Clarke's decision. You talk about Tony bad mouthing Clarke yet you personally insult the man, and wish violence upon the guy on his own doorstep.
While I don't agree with Tony on Clarke's decision, he at least kept his argument to footballing matters, but your comments are totally out of order.
Benny okay i shouldn't have called Tony a bald, specky gobshite (sorry Tony) and i in no way wished violence on him...i just suggested Jamie knock his door and i'd bet Tony would change his tune suggesting Tony has more faces than the town clock
I am still mystified by his decision.When you consider how hard Ronan Clarke for example fought to extend his county career against all the odds,yet our best current player prefers travelling as opposed to donning the Armagh jersey.
could ye fuckin blame him with gabshites like you about the place.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
I am still mystified by his decision.When you consider how hard Ronan Clarke for example fought to extend his county career against all the odds,yet our best current player prefers travelling as opposed to donning the Armagh jersey.
The answer is simple tony for ffs. He is playing for Armagh. Make no mistake if he was from a county that had a chance of winning Ulster at least, he would be staying put.
There is more to his life than football. Can't blame him for that.
I think you'll see more players taking breaks. It's the demands of county football and the urge of young bucks to see the world. Fair play to them, I say.
Better for someone like Jamie to go away and come back refreshed, than stay at home and become absolutely sickened by footballing demands, and hanging up the boots early.
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
How do you know he is prioritising it? People who travel tend to do so in the summer.
Plus club should always come first.
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
There may be many reasons but perhaps, just perhaps, he finds club football more enjoyable than county football?
Maybe he's not being asked to put his life on hold for club football? Perhaps he isn't expected to be in the gym 3 mornings a week for club football? Perhaps he isn't expected to train like a performing monkey for club football? Perhaps he likes the craic he has with his club mates?
Who knows?
But he could at least let Tony know which of these things it is?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
Elite county football? You're some laugh. Elite club football prioritised over half baked county set up more like it!!!
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
Elite county football? You're some laugh. Elite club football prioritised over half baked county set up more like it!!!
What are ye trying to say sonny? lol
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
There may be many reasons but perhaps, just perhaps, he finds club football more enjoyable than county football?
Maybe he's not being asked to put his life on hold for club football? Perhaps he isn't expected to be in the gym 3 mornings a week for club football? Perhaps he isn't expected to train like a performing monkey for club football? Perhaps he likes the craic he has with his club mates?
Who knows?
But he could at least let Tony know which of these things it is?
That's the least Tony deserves
I suspect BC's view is shared in Crossmaglen and this is the real reason.No hope for success for the County so why bother.
Yip, probably a fair bit of truth in that.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 08:03:16 AM
I suspect BC's view is shared in Crossmaglen and this is the real reason.No hope for success for the County so why bother.
It's my opinion, I'm sure it's other people's opinions. I don't know if it's Jamie's opinion. The one thing I will say is that over the history of Armagh GAA Cross have provided to the county in terms of players etc more than most clubs so there has never been an issue in that respect. What I would say though is club will (and should) always come first.
In terms of Jamie I just want to reiterate something. He has missed more championship matches for Cross in the last few years than he has Armagh games so make of that what you will.
Has anyone got appearances record for him, he doesn't seem to have a wiki page
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 09, 2016, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
Elite county football? You're some laugh. Elite club football prioritised over half baked county set up more like it!!!
A lot of guys hammering the county set up here
There are a lot of guys trying their utmost to move the county forward
It costs s heck of a lot of money to get the structures in place
Perhaps a fair few of you instead of hammering the county will assist and maybe get some sponsorship in
We are light years financially behind Tyrone and Donegal in Ulster .
My view on Jamie is fair play to him
He is an amateur and life is short so enjoy it to the full
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2016, 11:15:44 AM
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
Elite county football? You're some laugh. Elite club football prioritised over half baked county set up more like it!!!
A lot of guys hammering the county set up here
There are a lot of guys trying their utmost to move the county forward
It costs s heck of a lot of money to get the structures in place
Perhaps a fair few of you instead of hammering the county will assist and maybe get some sponsorship in
We are light years financially behind Tyrone and Donegal in Ulster .
My view on Jamie is fair play to him
He is an amateur and life is short so enjoy it to the full
A lot of guys getting a fair few pound from it too.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 10, 2016, 10:16:50 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 08:03:16 AM
I suspect BC's view is shared in Crossmaglen and this is the real reason.No hope for success for the County so why bother.
It's my opinion, I'm sure it's other people's opinions. I don't know if it's Jamie's opinion. The one thing I will say is that over the history of Armagh GAA Cross have provided to the county in terms of players etc more than most clubs so there has never been an issue in that respect. What I would say though is club will (and should) always come first.
In terms of Jamie I just want to reiterate something. He has missed more championship matches for Cross in the last few years than he has Armagh games so make of that what you will.
Nail on head, without club there would be no county.
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2016, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 09, 2016, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
Elite county football? You're some laugh. Elite club football prioritised over half baked county set up more like it!!!
A lot of guys hammering the county set up here
There are a lot of guys trying their utmost to move the county forward
It costs s heck of a lot of money to get the structures in place
Perhaps a fair few of you instead of hammering the county will assist and maybe get some sponsorship in
We are light years financially behind Tyrone and Donegal in Ulster .
My view on Jamie is fair play to him
He is an amateur and life is short so enjoy it to the full
We were always told that we don't have to worry to much about the costs of the McGeeney regime as McGeeney brings the sponsorship with him? Is this not the case?
Some in Cross and throughout the county think that McGeeney is tactically weak. He favours a defensive set up based upon work load and positional discipline. Its not great to watch and some think its not great to play in never mind the training requirements to get on the pitch. A skill based, kick passing game is more attratice to watch, to play and to prepare for. I'm not surprised that some opt out. I am reminded of the Danish soccer player Claus Jensen. Not the best player but a stylish, creative player. When Lawrie Sanchez got the Fulham job and instructed the defenders to launch it forward over the midfielders Jensen retired. In his view it wasn't football.
Playing footabll should be fun. Preparing should fun. There should be a role for skill and players who have the vision to play what is in front of them. And PLAYers should play. Systems that drill squad members to run around in defensive formations and rarely touching the ball, rarely exhibiting any skill with the ball or in dispossessing the man on the ball, rarely take a risk with possession, train more than 3 times for every game they PLAY and not be released to PLAY for their clubs is bound to lose players.
Bottom line in my opinion is,that if you have the ability,desire and commitment (as Jamie Clarke has proved he has) you should prioritise your relatively short playing career,except there is a very good reason for not doing so.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Bottom line in my opinion is,that if you have the ability,desire and commitment (as Jamie Clarke has proved he has) you should prioritise your relatively short playing career,except there is a very good reason for not doing so.
Maybe he has a good reaso he is just not telling you.
I wonder how many Cross lads will be invited to join the Armagh panel and how many will say yes.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Bottom line in my opinion is,that if you have the ability,desire and commitment (as Jamie Clarke has proved he has) you should prioritise your relatively short playing career,except there is a very good reason for not doing so.
In your opinion. In nearly everyone else's opinion it's none of your business to expect anything off a young man playing an amateur sport other than for him to make his own decisions. Your sense of entitlement to know why is astounding.
For what it's worth too Jamie has played in the last 5 championship campaigns for Armagh. No question of his commitment there. Here is a quote from an article about the overall away of things.
QuoteClarke clearly feels there may be more to life than twice-weekly gym appointments and twice-weekly pitch sessions, with the promise of a game once in a while to express himself.
There is an oppression to this life. Last year, an Ulster footballer had a pre-booked holiday to Las Vegas. He went to his manager, who said he was not prepared to give him the time off with a game approaching. When that game came around, the player was not on the matchday panel of 26.
That is wrong and the GPA are letting their members down if stuff like this is happening. The county set up has gone too far and needs to roll back and realise it is an amateur sport and frankly fans need to understand it too.
Tony actually has the nub of an interesting discussion and challenge facing the GAA, but his usual style of contrarian debate and look at me style are obfuscating what is a very real issue.
Firstly I, and many others on here and beyond, constantly espouse the viewpoint that the GAA is essentially a hobby. A time consuming hobby, no doubt, and a hobby which an inordinate amount of people care about and give their opinions about, but a hobby nonetheless. Not too many people care about Jamie's golf handicap, but if he kicks a wide in an Ulster championship game, thousands will tell him what he did wrong. Players play, and coaches coach, and managers manage, for myriad reasons. Enjoyment of the games, certainly, camaraderie, wanting to achieve something special, wanting to be seen as elite, representing the parish and/or county, local and national recognition and many, many other reasons. Whatever the players reasons for playing, at the end of the day, if those reasons no longer apply, or are not strong enough to make the player want to continue putting in the effort, then he is perfectly entitled to either take a break from it, or give it up entirely, and it is not for us or any one else to judge the validity of his reasons for not playing. If a player wants to stop playing, then just stop, and best of luck to you in the really important stuff in life.
As for Jamie himself, the only ones I would expect him to explain his decision to are his teammates and management teams at club and county level. They are the lads in the trenches with him, and they are the lads who will feel his departure most of all. It would be good from their perspective to make sure there are no underlying issues they have to worry about as a setup, and that it really is just a case of a young fella wanting to travel the world while he is free and single. And any management team worth their salt will be able to shake his hand, wish him well, and tell him he will have an opportunity to come back if he wants to try it, next year. He no more 'owes' Tony Fearon, Joe Soap or Johnny Shitehawk an 'explanation', as if he were beholden to them, than he would to explain why he no longer feels like getting up on a rainy Sunday to play the club golf medal.
From a GAA perspective, we need to do something in this area alright. And it's not down to the structures of the season either, at least not totally. The drive for success is getting stronger in a lot of counties, and whole other counties are either unwilling or unable to match it, and we are getting word of a host of players who either decide to call an end to their county hobby, or else decide it's not worth answering the call in the first place. We need to decide are we happy for this to progress to the point where it is basically a 3-4 year gig for students or do we want to make it more doable for people who have real life issues like Family, Job and Mortgage to worry about.
That's the interesting, philosophical direction this sort of discussion should be going, not picking on an individual player, deciding to be a young lad and see a bit of the world. The barefaced cheek of him!
Having this thread serves one useful purpose at least.s It means Tony doesn't have the time to start yet another wind up thread about his fellow-eejit, Sean Brady! ;D
Quote from: smelmoth on January 10, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Quote from: naka on January 10, 2016, 11:15:44 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 09, 2016, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2016, 10:32:50 PM
Why is he prioritising club football over elite level county football?
Elite county football? You're some laugh. Elite club football prioritised over half baked county set up more like it!!!
A lot of guys hammering the county set up here
There are a lot of guys trying their utmost to move the county forward
It costs s heck of a lot of money to get the structures in place
Perhaps a fair few of you instead of hammering the county will assist and maybe get some sponsorship in
We are light years financially behind Tyrone and Donegal in Ulster .
My view on Jamie is fair play to him
He is an amateur and life is short so enjoy it to the full
We were always told that we don't have to worry to much about the costs of the McGeeney regime as McGeeney brings the sponsorship with him? Is this not the case?
Some in Cross and throughout the county think that McGeeney is tactically weak. He favours a defensive set up based upon work load and positional discipline.
Tbf mcgeeney Raises a lot of money for the county , I wasn't talking about him
We have development squads and hurling teams as well as u21 and minors teams which all need financed
While for me the jury is out on mc gernet I have watched a fair few club games and we aren't graced with too many super stars so I can understand the rigid defensive structure
Surprised Professionalism hasn't entered the debate as most of the points raised probably mean we need to be on that trajectory to get rid of the committment issues / effort & returns (rewards) that face Amateur players - unless the whole momemtum of Senior AI goes into reverse, and supporters are prepared to accept less.
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney.
Running through walls? Does that make you a better player?
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Why play top level sport if you arent willing to exert yourself?
If that exertion was in the direction of skills and skill development some of the gym bunnies would drop out - or be found wanting.
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Conor McGregor said a good one recently "I'm not talented, I'm just obsessed". I think that should be nailed to the door of every changing room in the country.
Or nail it to the coffin of gaelic football?
Quote from: bennydorano on January 10, 2016, 02:09:05 PM
Surprised Professionalism hasn't entered the debate as most of the points raised probably mean we need to be on that trajectory to get rid of the committment issues / effort & returns (rewards) that face Amateur players - unless the whole momemtum of Senior AI goes into reverse, and supporters are prepared to accept less.
Professionalism is a word with double meaning though.
A player can get a decent living for playing footall in America. He can be more of "a professional" by being less professional.
As for fans accepting less. If the players notionally playing half forward for Donegal were a fraction less fit and tracked back a fraction more slowly and there was a bit more room for an opposing forward to use some attacking skill or a bit less defensive cover for the Donegal full back line and they had to use a bit more one-to-one defensive skill to snuff out the defensive threat would we getting "less" or more for out entrance fee?
Quote from: smelmoth on January 10, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
A player can get a decent living for playing footall in America. He can be more of "a professional" by being less professional.
While I'm not sure if it has a role in this case, this is an issue. These so called GAA people in America are robbing small clubs and counties of their best players for make up competitions in the US.
Gaa could launch a holiday insurance scheme
Quote from: smelmoth on January 10, 2016, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney.
Running through walls? Does that make you a better player?
Yes. Scientifically proven.
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Why play top level sport if you arent willing to exert yourself?
Quote from: smelmothIf that exertion was in the direction of skills and skill development some of the gym bunnies would drop out - or be found wanting.
Who said anything about exertion making you a gym bunny? You won't last too long on a GAA field if you aren't willing to at least put
some time into S&C; especially if it is a perceived weakness.
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Conor McGregor said a good one recently "I'm not talented, I'm just obsessed". I think that should be nailed to the door of every changing room in the country.
Quote from: smelmothOr nail it to the coffin of gaelic football?
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Maybe that's why Jamie has waned slightly on the IC front of late?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2016, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 10, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
A player can get a decent living for playing footall in America. He can be more of "a professional" by being less professional.
While I'm not sure if it has a role in this case, this is an issue. These so called GAA people in America are robbing small clubs and counties of their best players for make up competitions in the US.
They may well be but they are also providing those players, third level students in the main, with a dose of life experience and providing them with work so they can meet their financial expenses for the coming season. Neither of which could be had if they stayed behind to play for their clubs or counties. The problem is further exacerbated when in most counties the club leagues and championships are ran on a haphazard basis with club games being being fitted in, sometimes at short notice, whenever the intercounty schedule allows it.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2016, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 10, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
A player can get a decent living for playing footall in America. He can be more of "a professional" by being less professional.
While I'm not sure if it has a role in this case, this is an issue. These so called GAA people in America are robbing small clubs and counties of their best players for make up competitions in the US.
What an asinine comment.
How many thousands of Irish immigrants were set up with jobs and accommodation over the past thirty years by countless Irish who had gone before them. The logistics of trying to manage/coach teams can be very trying to say the least.
Quote from: joemamas on January 10, 2016, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2016, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 10, 2016, 02:18:07 PM
A player can get a decent living for playing footall in America. He can be more of "a professional" by being less professional.
While I'm not sure if it has a role in this case, this is an issue. These so called GAA people in America are robbing small clubs and counties of their best players for make up competitions in the US.
What an asinine comment.
How many thousands of Irish immigrants were set up with jobs and accommodation over the past thirty years by countless Irish who had gone before them. The logistics of trying to manage/coach teams can be very trying to say the least.
Great if people going over can make contact with GAA people, I'm all in favour of that. But essentially bribing good players to come from Ireland for a couple of months does nothing but damage to the GAA. There is a lot of comment here about whether Jamie should be allowed rejoin Cross or Armagh, if he hadn't been there all along, yet the expectation in some of these N. American teams is that they will be based on blowins, which is totally disrespectful to people there all year round.
I concede that I am not personally owed an explanation,neither did I say I ever was,but I think Armagh supporters in general are.As the late Jock Stein said about another code,though it's no less relevant",Football without the Fans is nothing" I cannot resist the comparison of Ronan Clarke and his namesake Jamie,and the extreme efforts the former made to extend a county career,in the face of adversity,while the latter apparently cannot be bothered.
In terms of burn out,in my opinion it's long past time that Gaelic Sport was categorised into separate County and Club entities,with players involved exclusively at one level but not both.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
I concede that I am not personally owed an explanation,neither did I say I ever was,but I think Armagh supporters in general are.As the late Jock Stein said about another code,though it's no less relevant",Football without the Fans is nothing" I cannot resist the comparison of Ronan Clarke and his namesake Jamie,and the extreme efforts the former made to extend a county career,in the face of adversity,while the latter apparently cannot be bothered.
In terms of burn out,in my opinion it's long past time that Gaelic Sport was categorised into separate County and Club entities,with players involved exclusively at one level but not both.
armagh play 2 or 3 senior games a year in championship and Cross are the greatest EVER club team. You are spouting nonsense, tony
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
In terms of burn out,in my opinion it's long past time that Gaelic Sport was categorised into separate County and Club entities,with players involved exclusively at one level but not both.
well then, Jamie is exclusively involved with club, which should meet your requirements.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 10, 2016, 06:14:14 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 06:01:24 PM
In terms of burn out,in my opinion it's long past time that Gaelic Sport was categorised into separate County and Club entities,with players involved exclusively at one level but not both.
well then, Jamie is exclusively involved with club, which should meet your requirements.
Thread closed, debate over. :D
By that rationale Wayne Rooney could opt to play for his local pub team instead of Man Utd.
Seafoid the county season lasts from January to September.Apart from that the involvement of county players in club football is bizarre and is not replicated in any other sport.
And it is an amateur sport so if an individual doesn't want to partake what business is it of anyone's but theirs.
There is a commercial transaction involved,gaining access to a county game,and in my and hundreds of other cases,purchasing a season ticket,with a reasonable expectation that one's county will field the strongest possible team available.Therefore we as a common courtesy should be informed why our best player is not making himself available.
We are bombarded all year with the message "Nothing beats being there!". If our top players don't subscribe to that why should supporters shell out hard earned cash?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 07:50:13 PM
There is a commercial transaction involved,gaining access to a county game,and in my and hundreds of other cases,purchasing a season ticket,with a reasonable expectation that one's county will field the strongest possible team available.Therefore we as a common courtesy should be informed why our best player is not making himself available.
We are bombarded all year with the message "Nothing beats being there!". If our top players don't subscribe to that why should supporters shell out hard earned cash?
sure stay at home Tony
BTW are you not a public service employee? How could the cash be hard earned ???
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 07:50:13 PM
There is a commercial transaction involved,gaining access to a county game,and in my and hundreds of other cases,purchasing a season ticket,with a reasonable expectation that one's county will field the strongest possible team available.Therefore we as a common courtesy should be informed why our best player is not making himself available.
We are bombarded all year with the message "Nothing beats being there!". If our top players don't subscribe to that why should supporters shell out hard earned cash?
Nope... It's an amateur game nobody is contracted to be there so if a player doesn't want to play he doesn't have to.
Nobody has to do anything technically.But it is a breach of trust,morally
You don't own these guys. They owe you nothing morally or otherwise and how the word moral has got into a player choosing to travel over dedicate his free and spare time to his county is beyond me.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 08:39:45 PM
Nobody has to do anything technically.But it is a breach of trust,morally
And that friends is tony reaching the zenith of his idiocy
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 08:39:45 PM
Nobody has to do anything technically.But it is a breach of trust,morally
Raping children is a breach of trust, morally, Tony
Not wanting to play with the county is not. Get a grip, FFS.
I think Jamie Clarke has to come on here and answer a few questions. Anything else is avoidance and reflects badly on him.
1. What the fcuk he is doing about global warming? Him swanning about without a care in the world.
2. Why didn't he intervene in the Garth Brooks palaver?
3. Is Avery innocent?
4. Why isn't he playing for Armagh? Tony wins tickets to see him play, like.
Quote from: seafoid on January 10, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 08:39:45 PM
Nobody has to do anything technically.But it is a breach of trust,morally
Raping children is a breach of trust, morally, Tony
Not wanting to play with the county is not. Get a grip, FFS.
Defending the rape and blaming the children is far worse than not wanting to play an amateur sport.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 10, 2016, 07:50:13 PM
There is a commercial transaction involved,gaining access to a county game,and in my and hundreds of other cases,purchasing a season ticket,with a reasonable expectation that one's county will field the strongest possible team available.Therefore we as a common courtesy should be informed why our best player is not making himself available.
We are bombarded all year with the message "Nothing beats being there!". If our top players don't subscribe to that why should supporters shell out hard earned cash?
And I imagine McGeeney will field our strongest team available. It won't include Clarke tho as he is not available
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
How do you know he is prioritising it? People who travel tend to do so in the summer.
Plus club should always come first.
Not only that but his club team would beat most county teams including the existing Armagh team. If Jamie owes anything and its a big if, it is to the club and community that forged him. He owes Armagh nothing.
CR (and any other club team) imo anyway would not beat 90% plus of intercounty teams if both were going at full pelt. Difference between club and i/c scene is massive.
Did anyone find out how much McGeeney is getting paid to manage and coach the Armagh team yet? Please ask your club delegate to find out of the county board and let us all know please?
Perhaps if its out in the open Armagh can give half it to Jamie to get him to play. Should be worth 50k a year.
This thread needs to be closed.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
How do you know he is prioritising it? People who travel tend to do so in the summer.
Plus club should always come first.
Not only that but his club team would beat most county teams including the existing Armagh team.
Surely there's not actually anyone that
genuinely believes this nonsense?
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 11, 2016, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
How do you know he is prioritising it? People who travel tend to do so in the summer.
Plus club should always come first.
Not only that but his club team would beat most county teams including the existing Armagh team.
Surely there's not actually anyone that genuinely believes this nonsense?
BCB can confirm but they have done so including Kildare recently I believe.
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Don Johnson on January 11, 2016, 01:46:55 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 09, 2016, 10:35:04 PM
How do you know he is prioritising it? People who travel tend to do so in the summer.
Plus club should always come first.
Not only that but his club team would beat most county teams including the existing Armagh team.
Surely there's not actually anyone that genuinely believes this nonsense?
BCB can confirm but they have done so including Kildare recently I believe.
My God.
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
The problem with Crossmaglen beating Armagh is, Crossmaglen is part of Armagh :) So if you are saying Crossmaglen would beat the pick of the rest of Armagh, that might be realistic. As you say, hard to prove either way, as it's unusual to have a club team playing a county team in the height of Summer.
When I was involved with the Tipperary Juniors, we were beaten by Limerick in the first round of the championship by 4 points. About 2 weeks before that, we played Nemo Rangers down in Cork, and they were at almost full strength. They beat us by 2 points.
You often hear it said that Kilkenny would win All-Irelands* with their bench, or some variation on the theme. To which I respond: I'd like to see them try.
*Hurling All-Irelands, of course. Although...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYXviBdWQAEsgk7.jpg)
(h/t to David Herity (https://twitter.com/DavidHerity/status/686217893357449216))
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
That's their highest state of readiness though.
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
What happened to Dromintee ?
I think the whole County followed Crossmaglen for their first three All Ireland wins,but the County team came to the fore and the novelty wore off.
The Lurgan Clan Na Gael team that got to the All Ireland Final in the early 70s was the best club side Armagh ever produced in my opinion,with lads all born in the streets around Davitt Park,St Paul's Church.
The o'rourke brothers got old seafoid.
Tf good attempt to wind up bc1 there ;D
It's not a wind up! Clans had a great team,including Jimmy Smyth,Colm Mc Kinstry,Jim Mc Kerr etc and were very unlucky not to win an All Ireland over 20 years before Crossmaglen.They didn't go stealing players from Wee clubs like Forkhill either
Whatever Tony. Empty vessels and all that.
😜
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
Balls. Even a McKenna Cup Armagh team would bate cross out the gate
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Current Vincent's team isn't in the last four
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Probably but they won't get a chance this year.
Quote from: smort on January 11, 2016, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Current Vincent's team isn't in the last four
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Probably because they live in proper counties, not ones the size of a province.
If St Vincent's were that good surely they would be playing in the club AI championships and Cross are one of the top two club teams there has ever been, maybe not this vintage, we will find out!
Feck this has taken a bizarre twist.
Surely Jamie himself proves the point that Cross wouldn't match up to county level since he is a genuis at club level but then cant cut it at inter-county, Mossey Quinn the case in point for Vincents
Maybe they should just crown the dublin champions ai winners at the same time and save us all the bother.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 12, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
Feck this has taken a bizarre twist.
Surely Jamie himself proves the point that Cross wouldn't match up to county level since he is a genuis at club level but then cant cut it at inter-county, Mossey Quinn the case in point for Vincents
Cross play football, Armagh defend even when behind.
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
I am not from Cross nor am I affiliated with any club. I don't seek to bask in any reflected glory and am quite happy to see any Armagh club do well. Sickening your hole is a bonus though. To get back to the point I was originally making, IMO Jamie Clarke owes nothing to anyone, and if you read Benny Tierney, Joe Brolly and others it would seem clear that the work load put onto County players in general and Armagh players in particular is such that many players don't believe it is worth it.
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
Quote from: smort on January 11, 2016, 11:22:28 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on January 11, 2016, 07:52:23 PM
Quote from: DuffleKing on January 11, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 11, 2016, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Current Vincent's team isn't in the last four
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Yeah, the Tipp football championship is as hard to win as it gets.
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I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
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tbf most Armagh clubmen respect Cross but have no interest in their glory, they are more interested in pushing their own clubs
what cross do is great but am more interested in my own club
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Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Current Vincent's team isn't in the last four
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Yeah, the Tipp football championship is as hard to win as it gets.
It is, in that it's sometimes not even finished in time :)
As I say,so starved of success were we in Armagh,that the whole county flocked behind Cross in 1997,but the novelty has worn off.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 12, 2016, 06:18:43 PM
As I say,so starved of success were we in Armagh,that the whole county flocked behind Cross in 1997,but the novelty has worn off.
Ni bheidh a leitheid aris ann i measc na daoine a itheann na h ulla
Quote from: T Fearon on January 12, 2016, 06:18:43 PM
As I say,so starved of success were we in Armagh,that the whole county flocked behind Cross in 1997,but the novelty has worn off.
The novelty of following a winning team? Well, thankfully that hasn't happened in Cross!! If we win the AI this year, and it will be very tough, then I think that might set up a few years of success.
BTW the game is fixed for Brefnii Park on Sat 13th Feb at 6.15. Live on TG4, extra time if necessary.
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Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Probably because they live in proper counties, not ones the size of a province.
Not up to it is the answer. Cross would be lucky to have annexed 10 county championships if playing in Dublin. Our seniors hockeyed them last year with half a team. They had one great club side but the current one is average and wouldn't win the Dublin Championship in my opinion.
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Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Yet can't quite cut the mustard at the business end of the club championship these last couple of years, and the years before their last victory. Mental fatigue, soft underbelly...? 3 Dub winners in the last 20 years (with clubs littered with big name players from around the country on the payroll) and the size of the place! Awful return. I'd keep my counsel if I were a Dub
Not to mention the number of "blow ins" some of the club teams have ;)
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Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Yet can't quite cut the mustard at the business end of the club championship these last couple of years, and the years before their last victory. Mental fatigue, soft underbelly...? 3 Dub winners in the last 20 years (with clubs littered with big name players from around the country on the payroll) and the size of the place! Awful return. I'd keep my counsel if I were a Dub
Keep his counsel??? You are mad, Indiana is the all knowing Oracle! Dublin club football has 2 clubs of not, Vincents and Kilmacud. They have the odd break through team but they don't sustain it. St Brigids and Ballyboden are good but time will tell if Boden push on. Many people have said we wouldn't win as many titles on other counties but that's a pointless argument. We are where we are and when push comes to shove we have faired ok when we get out of Armagh.
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3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Probably because they live in proper counties, not ones the size of a province.
Not up to it is the answer. Cross would be lucky to have annexed 10 county championships if playing in Dublin. Our seniors hockeyed them last year with half a team. They had one great club side but the current one is average and wouldn't win the Dublin Championship in my opinion.
And the Dublin county team wouldn't have won half as many provincial titles in the past two decades if they were playing in Ulster, pointless argument as per usual where fluff is passed off as fact!
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
Define what you mean by that? In Kerry, the county board's remit is the development of the game in the county, to ensure the best possible standard of County Championship, including use of Divisional Sides,and therefore to improve the standard of the county team. However, in order to do that, they try to ensure the clubs themselves are challenged and improving all the time. So the club 'game' is absolutely a priority in Kerry at least, but obviously individual clubs are not. A rising tide lifts all boats seems to be the motto.
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As I say,so starved of success were we in Armagh,that the whole county flocked behind Cross in 1997,but the novelty has worn off.
The novelty of following a winning team? Well, thankfully that hasn't happened in Cross!! If we win the AI this year, and it will be very tough, then I think that might set up a few years of success.
BTW the game is fixed for Brefnii Park on Sat 13th Feb at 6.15. Live on TG4, extra time if necessary.
Crap. Our kids got us a trip to London that weekend as a Christmas present. Was really looking forward to that match.
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As I say,so starved of success were we in Armagh,that the whole county flocked behind Cross in 1997,but the novelty has worn off.
The novelty of following a winning team? Well, thankfully that hasn't happened in Cross!! If we win the AI this year, and it will be very tough, then I think that might set up a few years of success.
BTW the game is fixed for Brefnii Park on Sat 13th Feb at 6.15. Live on TG4, extra time if necessary.
Crap. Our kids got us a trip to London that weekend as a Christmas present. Was really looking forward to that match.
It is live on TG4, sure head down to Ruislip and mix with the locals!!! Sure to be a great nights craic there!
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
That's correct in Tyrone's case, county first - club second. Can't speak for the rest.
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
That's correct in Tyrone's case, county first - club second. Can't speak for the rest.
yes, and the
Drive 4 Five is on, so who can argue?
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
That's correct in Tyrone's case, county first - club second. Can't speak for the rest.
yes, and the Drive 4 Five is on, so who can argue?
:D You can nearly smell the fear.
Quote from: AZOffaly on January 13, 2016, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
Define what you mean by that? In Kerry, the county board's remit is the development of the game in the county, to ensure the best possible standard of County Championship, including use of Divisional Sides,and therefore to improve the standard of the county team. However, in order to do that, they try to ensure the clubs themselves are challenged and improving all the time. So the club 'game' is absolutely a priority in Kerry at least, but obviously individual clubs are not. A rising tide lifts all boats seems to be the motto.
Kerry have been the dominant force in the All Ireland junior and intermediate club championships, winning half of the titles in the last 10 years and the county board and their competition structure have a big part to play in that.
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
Define what you mean by that? In Kerry, the county board's remit is the development of the game in the county, to ensure the best possible standard of County Championship, including use of Divisional Sides,and therefore to improve the standard of the county team. However, in order to do that, they try to ensure the clubs themselves are challenged and improving all the time. So the club 'game' is absolutely a priority in Kerry at least, but obviously individual clubs are not. A rising tide lifts all boats seems to be the motto.
Kerry have been the dominant force in the All Ireland junior and intermediate club championships, winning half of the titles in the last 10 years and the county board and their competition structure have a big part to play in that.
Senior championship loaded with divisional sides so you end up with good club sides playing intermediate championship and the domino effect to Junior sees an uneven level when playing teams outside Kerry. St. Marys Cahirsiveen a case in point.
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Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
Current Vincent's team isn't in the last four
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
I think you need to check into Portrane mate 😂
Who remembers club champions outside their own county? What difference will it make if Cross win another 40? Still won't compare to that glorious day in September 2002.
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3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Probably because they live in proper counties, not ones the size of a province.
Not up to it is the answer. Cross would be lucky to have annexed 10 county championships if playing in Dublin. Our seniors hockeyed them last year with half a team. They had one great club side but the current one is average and wouldn't win the Dublin Championship in my opinion.
And the Dublin county team wouldn't have won half as many provincial titles in the past two decades if they were playing in Ulster, pointless argument as per usual where fluff is passed off as fact!
Ulster the province where Monaghan reign supreme. Yeah I forgot they beat us recently. Oh wait now.......... Tyrone who also can't beat us.......Armagh ........fermanagh......... oh wait they can't beat us either.
Yep it's a bit of a poser alright Benjamin
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Quote from: INDIANA on January 11, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
3 of the last 4 don't play in the best county championship in Ireland
Probably because they live in proper counties, not ones the size of a province.
Not up to it is the answer. Cross would be lucky to have annexed 10 county championships if playing in Dublin. Our seniors hockeyed them last year with half a team. They had one great club side but the current one is average and wouldn't win the Dublin Championship in my opinion.
And the Dublin county team wouldn't have won half as many provincial titles in the past two decades if they were playing in Ulster, pointless argument as per usual where fluff is passed off as fact!
Ulster the province where Monaghan reign supreme. Yeah I forgot they beat us recently. Oh wait now.......... Tyrone who also can't beat us.......Armagh ........fermanagh......... oh wait they can't beat us either.
Yep it's a bit of a poser alright Benjamin
I actually said "in the last two decades". You'd have been also rans in the footnote in the history of Ulster football throughout the noughties and maybe never emerged to become what you are today. Leinster football is very much the intercounty equivalent of the Armagh county championship, where teams queue up to roll over and get their bellies tickled by the all conquering champions. In fact, over the past two decades Dublins conversion rate of provincial titles into AI titles is quite poor really. Though like I said before, it's a pointless debate with no real merit in it. Just like your comments regarding Cross.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 11:40:19 PM
Who remembers club champions outside their own county? What difference will it make if Cross win another 40? Still won't compare to that glorious day in September 2002.
Do you have much to do with your own club? I'm guessing not?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Club sides aren't the priority in the likes of Kerry or Dublin or Tyrone even.County teams are
Do you even know anyone from Tyrone?
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Quote from: AZOffaly on January 11, 2016, 02:09:49 PM
Hang on now. I'm a big fan of club teams, but to suggest that a Crossmaglen team, ramping up for an All Ireland Club Semi Final, beating a Kildare team getting ready to start the O'Byrne Cup, indicates that they'd beat most county teams is stretching it.
With the best will in the world, the best club teams in the country would be beaten by 25 county teams at least, if they met when both were mid season.
They still might beat Offaly mind you :)
Mind you its one of those ones hard to disprove. I still think Cross have more county standard players than the current Armagh squad!
This type of gibberish amply illustrates the mentality that creates the cultural vacuum which those Cross lads that have the potential to play county football have to be brave enough to push through. It's an unnecessary, poisonous culture that damages our county unfortunately. Cross and every other club's players should be proud enough Armagh men to put themselves in harms way to see if they can make it for the county to be able to put their best foot forward.
I second that. Cross deserve all the credit in the world for their achievements, but non-Crossmaglen (Armagh clubmen) people worshipping at the Cross altar and basking in some sort of reflected glory sickens my hole and it really isn't good for the County team.
Current Vincent's team would beat 15 county teams at least. And Cross too.
I think this is right up there with your most stupid/ridiculous statements of all time!!
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 11:40:19 PM
Who remembers club champions outside their own county? What difference will it make if Cross win another 40? Still won't compare to that glorious day in September 2002.
You are an embarrassment to the GAA and given your comments on child abuse and Norn Ireland's identity and embarrassment to society as a whole.
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Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 11:40:19 PM
Who remembers club champions outside their own county? What difference will it make if Cross win another 40? Still won't compare to that glorious day in September 2002.
You are an embarrassment to the GAA and given your comments on child abuse and Norn Ireland's identity and embarrassment to society as a whole.
From someone so new to the board you demonstrate such a profound insight into everyone's favourite poster. :)
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Some of the players have said they'd run through walls for McGeeney.
Running through walls? Does that make you a better player?
Yes. Scientifically proven.
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Why play top level sport if you arent willing to exert yourself?
Quote from: smelmothIf that exertion was in the direction of skills and skill development some of the gym bunnies would drop out - or be found wanting.
Who said anything about exertion making you a gym bunny? You won't last too long on a GAA field if you aren't willing to at least put some time into S&C; especially if it is a perceived weakness.
Quote from: general_lee on January 08, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
Conor McGregor said a good one recently "I'm not talented, I'm just obsessed". I think that should be nailed to the door of every changing room in the country.
Quote from: smelmothOr nail it to the coffin of gaelic football?
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Maybe that's why Jamie has waned slightly on the IC front of late?
I work harder than Jamie. But who would you rather watch?
Quote from: T Fearon on January 13, 2016, 11:40:19 PM
Who remembers club champions outside their own county? What difference will it make if Cross win another 40? Still won't compare to that glorious day in September 2002.
Bar Cross fans, few will care. Fans of clubs yet to win a club c'ship would give anything to win one.
2002 was special, but I'd say there's Cross men that value a club AI over a county AI.
As an Armagh man I find a lot of this difficult to read . Tony, I had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside your late brother, an absolute gentleman. It's a pity that you bring this debate up and I readily acknowledge your wind-up credentials and if I have fallen into the trap then so be it. What Jamie Clarke decides to do with his own life, in his own time and with his own money is a matter for Jamie Clarke and most certainly no-one else. I like you am gutted that he isn't playing. Like you I feel that the best players in armagh are not playing for their county ,be it not asked , be it not wanting to or be it retired, thats life . In my own club we have had a bellyfull of it . If only he would, could, or in your case with Jamie, should , i have heard it all. Let's get over it and get on.
On the subject of
Keiran McGeeney , the manager , all this talk about his money etc is frustrating. I was at the county convention I studied in detail the financial report . I brought it back to the club etc etc and any to be truthful no delegates complained and all parts were queried as i am sure happens in every other county, so give that one a rest.
As for the argument that Cross would beat many county sides, that remains to be seen and when Cross play in the first round of the county senior football championship in Ulster i'll give my verdict then.
As for Cross, the club team, I like many in my county, would prefer a change and a greater challenge at the top and I'm sure Cross would be the first to admit they would prefer a tougher challenge but it's up to the clubs to come up to scratch It aint Crossmaglen's problem No argument there.
The problem with county training etc and huge comittment six nights a week training or whatever, is that it's a double edged sword. While on the one hand we have managers and coaches pushing players to the limit we have players expecting to be pushed further etc . Many managers fall on the sword of , look at what theyr'e doing . Look at the coaches they have . I have heard in the past from a number of players . we're not being trained coached or prepared to the same level as other more successful teams . I had this chat with members of a great bunch of lads from leitrim .They complained that they hadn't the financial resources to compete and many were literally pissed of and with drawing from the county.
In the past in Armagh some withdrew from the county squad as they felt they were getting better coaching and S&C with their club. The demand also comes from players not just coaches. The players in some cases are as demanding as well as coaches( and in many cases quite rightly so) and this is driving the whole scenario skyward.
I know of one great club in Tyrone whose players complained that the lack of lighting on one of their training pitches was crucial in their failure to compete in the top four . Rightly or wrongly the club are out selling tickets to remedy this . To those players at club level it's inches as well. Coaches drive hard but so to do players and probably rightly so.
Good luck Cross on the 13th I'll be there to support the team as an Armagh man first and foremost and Tony if I see Jamie I'll tell him you were asking about him and make sure he sends you a postcard.
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 16, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
As an Armagh man I find a lot of this difficult to read . Tony, I had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside your late brother, an absolute gentleman. It's a pity that you bring this debate up and I readily acknowledge your wind-up credentials and if I have fallen into the trap then so be it. What Jamie Clarke decides to do with his own life, in his own time and with his own money is a matter for Jamie Clarke and most certainly no-one else. I like you am gutted that he isn't playing. Like you I feel that the best players in armagh are not playing for their county ,be it not asked , be it not wanting to or be it retired, thats life . In my own club we have had a bellyfull of it . If only he would, could, or in your case with Jamie, should , i have heard it all. Let's get over it and get on.
On the subject of
Keiran McGeeney , the manager , all this talk about his money etc is frustrating. I was at the county convention I studied in detail the financial report . I brought it back to the club etc etc and any to be truthful no delegates complained and all parts were queried as i am sure happens in every other county, so give that one a rest.
As for the argument that Cross would beat many county sides, that remains to be seen and when Cross play in the first round of the county senior football championship in Ulster i'll give my verdict then.
As for Cross, the club team, I like many in my county, would prefer a change and a greater challenge at the top and I'm sure Cross would be the first to admit they would prefer a tougher challenge but it's up to the clubs to come up to scratch It aint Crossmaglen's problem No argument there.
The problem with county training etc and huge comittment six nights a week training or whatever, is that it's a double edged sword. While on the one hand we have managers and coaches pushing players to the limit we have players expecting to be pushed further etc . Many managers fall on the sword of , look at what theyr'e doing . Look at the coaches they have . I have heard in the past from a number of players . we're not being trained coached or prepared to the same level as other more successful teams . I had this chat with members of a great bunch of lads from leitrim .They complained that they hadn't the financial resources to compete and many were literally pissed of and with drawing from the county.
In the past in Armagh some withdrew from the county squad as they felt they were getting better coaching and S&C with their club. The demand also comes from players not just coaches. The players in some cases are as demanding as well as coaches( and in many cases quite rightly so) and this is driving the whole scenario skyward.
I know of one great club in Tyrone whose players complained that the lack of lighting on one of their training pitches was crucial in their failure to compete in the top four . Rightly or wrongly the club are out selling tickets to remedy this . To those players at club level it's inches as well. Coaches drive hard but so to do players and probably rightly so.
Good luck Cross on the 13th I'll be there to support the team as an Armagh man first and foremost and Tony if I see Jamie I'll tell him you were asking about him and make sure he sends you a postcard.
Good post, but McGeeneys loot will not be found in any CB or official financial report! It'll be tucked away in some benefactors books!
Rionach. I read your comments with interest.For the record I am not denying Jamie Clarke's right to do what he wants.It is a source of incredulity that he cannot commit to his county for the entirety of the relatively few short years he,and every other footballer,has.He surely can only be making the decision not to due to his perception that there is little prospect of success.What sort of message does that send out to the county's supporters,who in their droves,and more so than any other county in Ireland, stick with the team through thick and thin? I also contrast this lousy attitude with the extreme efforts made by the likes of Ronan Clarke, who in the face of extreme adversity,did all in his power to prolong his county career.
Jamie can of course do what he likes,but he can hardly expect kudos from any Armagh supporter for this decision.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 16, 2016, 06:24:53 PM
Jamie can of course do what he likes,but he can hardly expect kudos from Tony Fearon for this decision.
Fixed that for you, I am sure Jamie gives a flying one. Though I bet if Armagh were playing Down in the Ulster final and they jetted him in, you would be creaming your pants and frothing at the mouth in offering him kudos.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 16, 2016, 06:24:53 PM
Rionach. I read your comments with interest.For the record I am not denying Jamie Clarke's right to do what he wants.It is a source of incredulity that he cannot commit to his county for the entirety of the relatively few short years he,and every other footballer,has.He surely can only be making the decision not to due to his perception that there is little prospect of success.What sort of message does that send out to the county's supporters,who in their droves,and more so than any other county in Ireland, stick with the team through thick and thin? I also contrast this lousy attitude with the extreme efforts made by the likes of Ronan Clarke, who in the face of extreme adversity,did all in his power to prolong his county career.
Jamie can of course do what he likes,but he can hardly expect kudos from any Armagh supporter for this decision.
Ah man. You've a fierce want in you
I can't see Jamie riding this crisis out much longer. It's pretty clear McGeeney & the Armagh fans want this man back.
This is the last I will post on this. Tony, Jamie is 25, he will be 26 in June. He has played 5-6 championship campaigns already for Armagh. He is taking a year away, he will miss 1 season. He will also miss the Armagh Championship but you don't hear us bitching like little girls saying he owes us an explanation(and let's face it he owes us a bigger one than Armagh). By the time he returns he will be coming 27 and really only coming into his peak time. He doesn't abuse himself with his lifestyle and will not need much training to get up to speed. He will then hopefully be refreshed and ready to go again. If not then that will be his decision. He owes you, me nor anyone an explanation and that's that. let him get on with his life and you get on with yours.
😂.He'll hardly be swayed by my feelings on the matter.But what if Armagh replicate the successful run of two years ago? Should Jamie be brought back onto the panel the following season automatically,or should he suffer like Mc Kenna and the other two lads who departed to the USA after the Cavan defeat in Ulster C'ship in 2013 (and I recall their decision being roundly condemned by Armagh supporters and funny enough didn't hear ah sure they're only young and it's their business what they do,back then),and only brought back if and when the manager decides he should be?
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 16, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
As an Armagh man I find a lot of this difficult to read . Tony, I had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside your late brother, an absolute gentleman. It's a pity that you bring this debate up and I readily acknowledge your wind-up credentials and if I have fallen into the trap then so be it. What Jamie Clarke decides to do with his own life, in his own time and with his own money is a matter for Jamie Clarke and most certainly no-one else. I like you am gutted that he isn't playing. Like you I feel that the best players in armagh are not playing for their county ,be it not asked , be it not wanting to or be it retired, thats life . In my own club we have had a bellyfull of it . If only he would, could, or in your case with Jamie, should , i have heard it all. Let's get over it and get on.
On the subject of
Keiran McGeeney , the manager , all this talk about his money etc is frustrating. I was at the county convention I studied in detail the financial report . I brought it back to the club etc etc and any to be truthful no delegates complained and all parts were queried as i am sure happens in every other county, so give that one a rest.
As for the argument that Cross would beat many county sides, that remains to be seen and when Cross play in the first round of the county senior football championship in Ulster i'll give my verdict then.
As for Cross, the club team, I like many in my county, would prefer a change and a greater challenge at the top and I'm sure Cross would be the first to admit they would prefer a tougher challenge but it's up to the clubs to come up to scratch It aint Crossmaglen's problem No argument there.
The problem with county training etc and huge comittment six nights a week training or whatever, is that it's a double edged sword. While on the one hand we have managers and coaches pushing players to the limit we have players expecting to be pushed further etc . Many managers fall on the sword of , look at what theyr'e doing . Look at the coaches they have . I have heard in the past from a number of players . we're not being trained coached or prepared to the same level as other more successful teams . I had this chat with members of a great bunch of lads from leitrim .They complained that they hadn't the financial resources to compete and many were literally pissed of and with drawing from the county.
In the past in Armagh some withdrew from the county squad as they felt they were getting better coaching and S&C with their club. The demand also comes from players not just coaches. The players in some cases are as demanding as well as coaches( and in many cases quite rightly so) and this is driving the whole scenario skyward.
I know of one great club in Tyrone whose players complained that the lack of lighting on one of their training pitches was crucial in their failure to compete in the top four . Rightly or wrongly the club are out selling tickets to remedy this . To those players at club level it's inches as well. Coaches drive hard but so to do players and probably rightly so.
Good luck Cross on the 13th I'll be there to support the team as an Armagh man first and foremost and Tony if I see Jamie I'll tell him you were asking about him and make sure he sends you a postcard.
Do you genuinely think that Kieran McGeeney is not being paid to be the Armagh manager? If you do you are the only Armagh fan (and I include Kieran McGeeney in this) who thinks that.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 16, 2016, 09:17:32 PM
😂.He'll hardly be swayed by my feelings on the matter.But what if Armagh replicate the successful run of two years ago? Should Jamie be brought back onto the panel the following season automatically,or should he suffer like Mc Kenna and the other two lads who departed to the USA after the Cavan defeat in Ulster C'ship in 2013 (and I recall their decision being roundly condemned by Armagh supporters and funny enough didn't hear ah sure they're only young and it's their business what they do,back then),and only brought back if and when the manager decides he should be?
Those lads were condemned as they abandoned ship halfway through the c'ship. Clarke has made his intentions clear before the season started. If he wants to return for the 2017 season, I don't see why there should be any issue.
No,they abandoned ship after the first game of the C'ship because they didn't see any hope after the Cavan defeat.Jamie isn't even hanging around for the first game,he's given up on the team before a ball has been kicked.Even worse than Mc Kenna and Co
Quote from: T Fearon on January 16, 2016, 11:10:03 PM
No,they abandoned ship after the first game of the C'ship because they didn't see any hope after the Cavan defeat.Jamie isn't even hanging around for the first game,he's given up on the team before a ball has been kicked.Even worse than Mc Kenna and Co
McKenna & Co left to earn a few quid playing football in the states. That's what annoyed people.
I read somewhere that Jamie Clarke had started the last 21 championship games for Armagh. Considering the amount of games Armagh usually have that is some record for someone so young.
For what it is worth I would compare Jamie leaving to Grugan. He could not commit last year but has been recalled this year when he can.
Paul grimley and joe Kernan are irreplaceable
Quote from: T Fearon on January 16, 2016, 11:10:03 PM
No,they abandoned ship after the first game of the C'ship because they didn't see any hope after the Cavan defeat.Jamie isn't even hanging around for the first game,he's given up on the team before a ball has been kicked.Even worse than Mc Kenna and Co
You keep making assumptions that he isn't going to be about as he doesn't think armagh have a good chance of doing well. You talk about implications where there are none and perceptions where the perceptions are yours and only yours. You have no idea.
About as ludicrous as the rest of your threads.
You read too many tabloids i think.
Quote from: smelmoth on January 16, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 16, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
As an Armagh man I find a lot of this difficult to read . Tony, I had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside your late brother, an absolute gentleman. It's a pity that you bring this debate up and I readily acknowledge your wind-up credentials and if I have fallen into the trap then so be it. What Jamie Clarke decides to do with his own life, in his own time and with his own money is a matter for Jamie Clarke and most certainly no-one else. I like you am gutted that he isn't playing. Like you I feel that the best players in armagh are not playing for their county ,be it not asked , be it not wanting to or be it retired, thats life . In my own club we have had a bellyfull of it . If only he would, could, or in your case with Jamie, should , i have heard it all. Let's get over it and get on.
On the subject of
Keiran McGeeney , the manager , all this talk about his money etc is frustrating. I was at the county convention I studied in detail the financial report . I brought it back to the club etc etc and any to be truthful no delegates complained and all parts were queried as i am sure happens in every other county, so give that one a rest.
As for the argument that Cross would beat many county sides, that remains to be seen and when Cross play in the first round of the county senior football championship in Ulster i'll give my verdict then.
As for Cross, the club team, I like many in my county, would prefer a change and a greater challenge at the top and I'm sure Cross would be the first to admit they would prefer a tougher challenge but it's up to the clubs to come up to scratch It aint Crossmaglen's problem No argument there.
The problem with county training etc and huge comittment six nights a week training or whatever, is that it's a double edged sword. While on the one hand we have managers and coaches pushing players to the limit we have players expecting to be pushed further etc . Many managers fall on the sword of , look at what theyr'e doing . Look at the coaches they have . I have heard in the past from a number of players . we're not being trained coached or prepared to the same level as other more successful teams . I had this chat with members of a great bunch of lads from leitrim .They complained that they hadn't the financial resources to compete and many were literally pissed of and with drawing from the county.
In the past in Armagh some withdrew from the county squad as they felt they were getting better coaching and S&C with their club. The demand also comes from players not just coaches. The players in some cases are as demanding as well as coaches( and in many cases quite rightly so) and this is driving the whole scenario skyward.
I know of one great club in Tyrone whose players complained that the lack of lighting on one of their training pitches was crucial in their failure to compete in the top four . Rightly or wrongly the club are out selling tickets to remedy this . To those players at club level it's inches as well. Coaches drive hard but so to do players and probably rightly so.
Good luck Cross on the 13th I'll be there to support the team as an Armagh man first and foremost and Tony if I see Jamie I'll tell him you were asking about him and make sure he sends you a postcard.
Do you genuinely think that Kieran McGeeney is not being paid to be the Armagh manager? If you do you are the only Armagh fan (and I include Kieran McGeeney in this) who thinks that.
The county board nor no club pay any money towards the payment of Keiran McGeeney and if you know how he is paid ,please enlightened us dim folk. My club and countless others pay their fees to the county board . Where the money goes is there in black and white . Have a look sometime. Is Keiran McGeeney doing it free ,not likely , Is he gathereing his own funds, most likely . Does it cost the clubs, no it doesn't anymore than it would cost any manager no matter who he was to manage Armagh.
Just as happened in 2013,abandoning the Armagh county team for any other reason than injury,a dire family situation or economic need,should carry sanctions,and not lead to the automatic recall to the panel when the player decides to make himself available.
To do otherwise is an insult to the players who show continuous commitment
Quote from: T Fearon on January 17, 2016, 08:22:59 AM
Just as happened in 2013,abandoning the Armagh county team for any other reason than injury,a dire family situation or economic need,should carry sanctions,and not lead to the automatic recall to the panel when the player decides to make himself available.
To do otherwise is an insult to the players who show continuous commitment
Maybe each county should set up a panel which scrutinises the choices made by the players on the county team. This panel will have full access to their private emails and all the players private correspondences, financial records and of course health records. When a player suggests he no longer can commit to play county football the panel can look at all the evidence and decide whether or not to sanction the decision. This decision and all related evidence will then be made public in order to satisfy the crusiosity of the long suffering supporters, some of which, turn up once a week to support their team. Of course, when a player is dropped off a panel at the whim of the manager.....it's tough shit and he's quickly forgotten about!
Quote from: Aaron Boone on January 16, 2016, 07:17:10 PM
I can't see Jamie riding this crisis out much longer. It's pretty clear McGeeney & the Armagh fans want this man back.
If course we want him back, he's our best player. But most of us wish him well on his travels and will welcome him back if and and when he decides to recommit
Quote from: T Fearon on January 17, 2016, 08:22:59 AM
Just as happened in 2013,abandoning the Armagh county team for any other reason than injury,a dire family situation or economic need,should carry sanctions,and not lead to the automatic recall to the panel when the player decides to make himself available.
To do otherwise is an insult to the players who show continuous commitment
Sanctions? Like decades of the rossary? Make him recite the Sorrowful Mysteries or the Ludicrous Mysteries or something like that
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 17, 2016, 03:42:36 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 16, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 16, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
As an Armagh man I find a lot of this difficult to read . Tony, I had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside your late brother, an absolute gentleman. It's a pity that you bring this debate up and I readily acknowledge your wind-up credentials and if I have fallen into the trap then so be it. What Jamie Clarke decides to do with his own life, in his own time and with his own money is a matter for Jamie Clarke and most certainly no-one else. I like you am gutted that he isn't playing. Like you I feel that the best players in armagh are not playing for their county ,be it not asked , be it not wanting to or be it retired, thats life . In my own club we have had a bellyfull of it . If only he would, could, or in your case with Jamie, should , i have heard it all. Let's get over it and get on.
On the subject of
Keiran McGeeney , the manager , all this talk about his money etc is frustrating. I was at the county convention I studied in detail the financial report . I brought it back to the club etc etc and any to be truthful no delegates complained and all parts were queried as i am sure happens in every other county, so give that one a rest.
As for the argument that Cross would beat many county sides, that remains to be seen and when Cross play in the first round of the county senior football championship in Ulster i'll give my verdict then.
As for Cross, the club team, I like many in my county, would prefer a change and a greater challenge at the top and I'm sure Cross would be the first to admit they would prefer a tougher challenge but it's up to the clubs to come up to scratch It aint Crossmaglen's problem No argument there.
The problem with county training etc and huge comittment six nights a week training or whatever, is that it's a double edged sword. While on the one hand we have managers and coaches pushing players to the limit we have players expecting to be pushed further etc . Many managers fall on the sword of , look at what theyr'e doing . Look at the coaches they have . I have heard in the past from a number of players . we're not being trained coached or prepared to the same level as other more successful teams . I had this chat with members of a great bunch of lads from leitrim .They complained that they hadn't the financial resources to compete and many were literally pissed of and with drawing from the county.
In the past in Armagh some withdrew from the county squad as they felt they were getting better coaching and S&C with their club. The demand also comes from players not just coaches. The players in some cases are as demanding as well as coaches( and in many cases quite rightly so) and this is driving the whole scenario skyward.
I know of one great club in Tyrone whose players complained that the lack of lighting on one of their training pitches was crucial in their failure to compete in the top four . Rightly or wrongly the club are out selling tickets to remedy this . To those players at club level it's inches as well. Coaches drive hard but so to do players and probably rightly so.
Good luck Cross on the 13th I'll be there to support the team as an Armagh man first and foremost and Tony if I see Jamie I'll tell him you were asking about him and make sure he sends you a postcard.
Do you genuinely think that Kieran McGeeney is not being paid to be the Armagh manager? If you do you are the only Armagh fan (and I include Kieran McGeeney in this) who thinks that.
The county board nor no club pay any money towards the payment of Keiran McGeeney and if you know how he is paid ,please enlightened us dim folk. My club and countless others pay their fees to the county board . Where the money goes is there in black and white . Have a look sometime. Is Keiran McGeeney doing it free ,not likely , Is he gathereing his own funds, most likely . Does it cost the clubs, no it doesn't anymore than it would cost any manager no matter who he was to manage Armagh.
Did anyonne ever say he was paid by the clubs pr the board? It was you who reference looking in the county board's annual report whe of course nobody would expect to see a trace of a whiff of inkling of a trace of a payment there. It would be bit like concluding that there was no collusion between the RUS and paramilitaries because you ask the RUC and they said no and there was no record of it in an official report.
You say yourself that McGeeney is unlikely to be doing it for free. Why do you say that and do you think it is acceptable?
Quote from: smelmoth on January 17, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 17, 2016, 03:42:36 AM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 16, 2016, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 16, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
As an Armagh man I find a lot of this difficult to read . Tony, I had the pleasure of knowing and playing alongside your late brother, an absolute gentleman. It's a pity that you bring this debate up and I readily acknowledge your wind-up credentials and if I have fallen into the trap then so be it. What Jamie Clarke decides to do with his own life, in his own time and with his own money is a matter for Jamie Clarke and most certainly no-one else. I like you am gutted that he isn't playing. Like you I feel that the best players in armagh are not playing for their county ,be it not asked , be it not wanting to or be it retired, thats life . In my own club we have had a bellyfull of it . If only he would, could, or in your case with Jamie, should , i have heard it all. Let's get over it and get on.
On the subject of
Keiran McGeeney , the manager , all this talk about his money etc is frustrating. I was at the county convention I studied in detail the financial report . I brought it back to the club etc etc and any to be truthful no delegates complained and all parts were queried as i am sure happens in every other county, so give that one a rest.
As for the argument that Cross would beat many county sides, that remains to be seen and when Cross play in the first round of the county senior football championship in Ulster i'll give my verdict then.
As for Cross, the club team, I like many in my county, would prefer a change and a greater challenge at the top and I'm sure Cross would be the first to admit they would prefer a tougher challenge but it's up to the clubs to come up to scratch It aint Crossmaglen's problem No argument there.
The problem with county training etc and huge comittment six nights a week training or whatever, is that it's a double edged sword. While on the one hand we have managers and coaches pushing players to the limit we have players expecting to be pushed further etc . Many managers fall on the sword of , look at what theyr'e doing . Look at the coaches they have . I have heard in the past from a number of players . we're not being trained coached or prepared to the same level as other more successful teams . I had this chat with members of a great bunch of lads from leitrim .They complained that they hadn't the financial resources to compete and many were literally pissed of and with drawing from the county.
In the past in Armagh some withdrew from the county squad as they felt they were getting better coaching and S&C with their club. The demand also comes from players not just coaches. The players in some cases are as demanding as well as coaches( and in many cases quite rightly so) and this is driving the whole scenario skyward.
I know of one great club in Tyrone whose players complained that the lack of lighting on one of their training pitches was crucial in their failure to compete in the top four . Rightly or wrongly the club are out selling tickets to remedy this . To those players at club level it's inches as well. Coaches drive hard but so to do players and probably rightly so.
Good luck Cross on the 13th I'll be there to support the team as an Armagh man first and foremost and Tony if I see Jamie I'll tell him you were asking about him and make sure he sends you a postcard.
Do you genuinely think that Kieran McGeeney is not being paid to be the Armagh manager? If you do you are the only Armagh fan (and I include Kieran McGeeney in this) who thinks that.
The county board nor no club pay any money towards the payment of Keiran McGeeney and if you know how he is paid ,please enlightened us dim folk. My club and countless others pay their fees to the county board . Where the money goes is there in black and white . Have a look sometime. Is Keiran McGeeney doing it free ,not likely , Is he gathereing his own funds, most likely . Does it cost the clubs, no it doesn't anymore than it would cost any manager no matter who he was to manage Armagh.
Did anyonne ever say he was paid by the clubs pr the board? It was you who reference looking in the county board's annual report whe of course nobody would expect to see a trace of a whiff of inkling of a trace of a payment there. It would be bit like concluding that there was no collusion between the RUS and paramilitaries because you ask the RUC and they said no and there was no record of it in an official report.
You say yourself that McGeeney is unlikely to be doing it for free. Why do you say that and do you think it is acceptable?
I say that because the situation is the same in many clubs and counties. Armagh are no different. McGeeney allegedly got huge sums of money from Kildare . While everybody talked about it nobody could say how much etc etc . By the time he left Kildare he was buying a house in the Bahamas according to some.If McGeeney has worked out some deal with individuals etc I mighn't like it, it's contrary to the ethos of the GAA and all that but he is no different than many others. The clubs and the county board are not being financially hit albeit in a roundabout way. The same was said about Joe Kernan. If we believe other counties and clubs up and down the country aren't doing the same well then I refer you to your analogy.
Its not just the ethos of the organisation its actually the rules of the organisation.
If a large number of people are openly flouting both the rules and a core element of the ethos of the organisation what do you think the organisation should do?
Quote from: smelmoth on January 17, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Its not just the ethos of the organisation its actually the rules of the organisation.
If a large number of people are openly flouting both the rules and a core element of the ethos of the organisation what do you think the organisation should do?
I know it's the rules and believe it or not I am not arguing with you. It happens and is happening? The Gaa can try all they want and probably do but like the supposedly closed season the rule is the easy part, the policing of it the harder. Like those in cars driving on the red diesel or not declaring all incomes, brown envelopes , magnets on the electricity metres to name but a few . All against the rules but like managers being paid, it happens. The bottom line is , we can all speculate as to who is being paid and how much they are being paid, by whom and when. Rumour had it McGeeney was getting a fortune in Kildare. I am sure there are those in Armagh and outside who think he is getting a fortune with the Orchard county. I don't know, nor will I, or you for that matter ,ever find out exactly but as far as I am concerned my club doesn't pay for him. Anyway it's probably of the topic of the thread and I respect your opinion on it.
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 17, 2016, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 17, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Its not just the ethos of the organisation its actually the rules of the organisation.
If a large number of people are openly flouting both the rules and a core element of the ethos of the organisation what do you think the organisation should do?
I know it's the rules and believe it or not I am not arguing with you. It happens and is happening? The Gaa can try all they want and probably do but like the supposedly closed season the rule is the easy part, the policing of it the harder. Like those in cars driving on the red diesel or not declaring all incomes, brown envelopes , magnets on the electricity metres to name but a few . All against the rules but like managers being paid, it happens. The bottom line is , we can all speculate as to who is being paid and how much they are being paid, by whom and when. Rumour had it McGeeney was getting a fortune in Kildare. I am sure there are those in Armagh and outside who think he is getting a fortune with the Orchard county. I don't know, nor will I, or you for that matter ,ever find out exactly but as far as I am concerned my club doesn't pay for him. Anyway it's probably of the topic of the thread and I respect your opinion on it.
Do you really think the GAA are doing everything they can to stop this? Its pure hypocrisy by the ruke makers/enforcers and those organising the payments and taking th payments.
Quote from: LCohen on January 17, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 17, 2016, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 17, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Its not just the ethos of the organisation its actually the rules of the organisation.
If a large number of people are openly flouting both the rules and a core element of the ethos of the organisation what do you think the organisation should do?
I know it's the rules and believe it or not I am not arguing with you. It happens and is happening? The Gaa can try all they want and probably do but like the supposedly closed season the rule is the easy part, the policing of it the harder. Like those in cars driving on the red diesel or not declaring all incomes, brown envelopes , magnets on the electricity metres to name but a few . All against the rules but like managers being paid, it happens. The bottom line is , we can all speculate as to who is being paid and how much they are being paid, by whom and when. Rumour had it McGeeney was getting a fortune in Kildare. I am sure there are those in Armagh and outside who think he is getting a fortune with the Orchard county. I don't know, nor will I, or you for that matter ,ever find out exactly but as far as I am concerned my club doesn't pay for him. Anyway it's probably of the topic of the thread and I respect your opinion on it.
Do you really think the GAA are doing everything they can to stop this? Its pure hypocrisy by the ruke makers/enforcers and those organising the payments and taking th payments.
It's like the drug scene, the only way to control it is to regulate it, but as legalising drugs would be seen as undermining society so to legalising paid coaches would be seen to undermine amateur status.
Not sure what light it shines on the discussion about the comparison of the top of the club tree with the bottom of the county but a Kildare second string tanked Cross at the weekend - they hadn't scored at half time
Can you post the full line ups of both teams?
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 19, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: LCohen on January 17, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 17, 2016, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 17, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Its not just the ethos of the organisation its actually the rules of the organisation.
If a large number of people are openly flouting both the rules and a core element of the ethos of the organisation what do you think the organisation should do?
I know it's the rules and believe it or not I am not arguing with you. It happens and is happening? The Gaa can try all they want and probably do but like the supposedly closed season the rule is the easy part, the policing of it the harder. Like those in cars driving on the red diesel or not declaring all incomes, brown envelopes , magnets on the electricity metres to name but a few . All against the rules but like managers being paid, it happens. The bottom line is , we can all speculate as to who is being paid and how much they are being paid, by whom and when. Rumour had it McGeeney was getting a fortune in Kildare. I am sure there are those in Armagh and outside who think he is getting a fortune with the Orchard county. I don't know, nor will I, or you for that matter ,ever find out exactly but as far as I am concerned my club doesn't pay for him. Anyway it's probably of the topic of the thread and I respect your opinion on it.
Do you really think the GAA are doing everything they can to stop this? Its pure hypocrisy by the ruke makers/enforcers and those organising the payments and taking th payments.
It's like the drug scene, the only way to control it is to regulate it, but as legalising drugs would be seen as undermining society so to legalising paid coaches would be seen to undermine amateur status.
Paying coaches would be seen to undermine amateur status? Yes it probably would
Quote from: smelmoth on January 21, 2016, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: Applesisapples on January 19, 2016, 10:01:40 AM
Quote from: LCohen on January 17, 2016, 03:13:24 PM
Quote from: rionach 4 on January 17, 2016, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: smelmoth on January 17, 2016, 11:33:31 AM
Its not just the ethos of the organisation its actually the rules of the organisation.
If a large number of people are openly flouting both the rules and a core element of the ethos of the organisation what do you think the organisation should do?
I know it's the rules and believe it or not I am not arguing with you. It happens and is happening? The Gaa can try all they want and probably do but like the supposedly closed season the rule is the easy part, the policing of it the harder. Like those in cars driving on the red diesel or not declaring all incomes, brown envelopes , magnets on the electricity metres to name but a few . All against the rules but like managers being paid, it happens. The bottom line is , we can all speculate as to who is being paid and how much they are being paid, by whom and when. Rumour had it McGeeney was getting a fortune in Kildare. I am sure there are those in Armagh and outside who think he is getting a fortune with the Orchard county. I don't know, nor will I, or you for that matter ,ever find out exactly but as far as I am concerned my club doesn't pay for him. Anyway it's probably of the topic of the thread and I respect your opinion on it.
Do you really think the GAA are doing everything they can to stop this? Its pure hypocrisy by the ruke makers/enforcers and those organising the payments and taking th payments.
It's like the drug scene, the only way to control it is to regulate it, but as legalising drugs would be seen as undermining society so to legalising paid coaches would be seen to undermine amateur status.
Paying coaches would be seen to undermine amateur status? Yes it probably would
Only if coaches are required to be amateurs. I don't think that requirement exists in any of the rules I've read. There's nothing in the rules that says you can't hire and pay bus drivers, physios, psychologists, grass cutting contractors, functional movement consultants or other service providers. Why single out the providers of the most important service (training the team) as the only ones to be required to work for nothing? And what interpretation of the rules singles out coaches as the only service providers to be equated with players as being subject to the rules of amateurism, while all other non-playing service providers are allowed to be paid?
The idea that paying trainers/coaches undermines the amateur ideal for players is just nonsense.
Quote from: Hardy on January 22, 2016, 01:07:47 AM
The idea that paying trainers/coaches undermines the amateur ideal for players is just nonsense.
Not if the professional coach demands / expect their professional level of commitment from an amateur player with a full time job.
Quote from: No wides on January 22, 2016, 08:03:33 AM
Quote from: Hardy on January 22, 2016, 01:07:47 AM
The idea that paying trainers/coaches undermines the amateur ideal for players is just nonsense.
Not if the professional coach demands / expect their professional level of commitment from an amateur player with a full time job.
Are amateur coaches entitled to ask for professional standards from players?
By the way, there isn't a county team in Ireland never mind a club team training in the manner of professional sportsmen. If you think any team is you're deluded.
There are county teams pushing beyond the physical and recovery limits of what can be done within an amateur environment but don't confuse that with training professionally.
The difference being of course, that professionals are paid to rest, relax and recover.
Quote from: general_lee on January 22, 2016, 09:30:03 AM
The difference being of course, that professionals are paid to rest, relax and recover.
Nail on head they don'y have to do all the professional training that is required / expected of them through the confines of prior to a days work or after a days work.
To revisit my post above. The rules may be interpreted as prohibiting all members of the association from being paid. This is the relevant part of Rule 1.10:
A player, team,official or member shall not accept payment
in cash or in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic
Games.
If you consider training the team as being "in conjunction" with playing then coaches can't be paid. But I think the other interpretation is more correct - you can't get paid for playing.
Either way, my point stands. If a club or county hires somebody to cut the grass, nobody expects them to make sure he's not a GAA member, so that he can be paid.
Unless I've missed something, the official interpretation of the rules seems pretty clear to me - you can't get paid for managing a team. The fuss when John Evans tried to combine coaching Tipperary with being the director of football for the county (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/croker-concern-at-evans-premier-role-26633225.html) sorted that one out. Maybe things have changed since?
I know that's the official interpretation. I think the wording of the rule, though, is capable of an interpretation that the ban on pay applies only to players.
Quote from: Hardy on January 22, 2016, 11:41:05 AM
To revisit my post above. The rules may be interpreted as prohibiting all members of the association from being paid. This is the relevant part of Rule 1.10:
A player, team,official or member shall not accept payment
in cash or in kind in conjunction with the playing of Gaelic
Games.
If you consider training the team as being "in conjunction" with playing then coaches can't be paid. But I think the other interpretation is more correct - you can't get paid for playing.
Either way, my point stands. If a club or county hires somebody to cut the grass, nobody expects them to make sure he's not a GAA member, so that he can be paid.
Receiving payment in return for managing a team is definitively against the rules of the GAA. If you want to pick holes in the wording of the current ruling then the wording could be tightened. But the intent of the ruling is clear. The important thing is that receiving the payment is the breach. Who pays the manager is of no importance when deciding whether a breach has occurred.
Nothing is done to enforce this rule. And that is not because the rule is unenforceable.
I see Jamie delayed his departure until last weekend in order that he could play for a local soccer team in a Junior Cup Final! What a loyal Armagh Gael.
Is this lad basically the hipster equivalent of Seanie Johnston?
The lad shamefully prioritises Junior Soccer over representing Armagh.Compare this with Ger Houlahan in 1994 who missed the FAI Cup Final and a medal with Sligo Rovers to play for Armagh against Fermanagh in the Ulster Championship.
Is there any need for this personal stuff?
He sacrificed one week of travel for a soccer match. It would have been months for armagh.
I see Ferron has found a way to try and mine more attention for himself.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2016, 07:11:46 PM
I see Jamie delayed his departure until last weekend in order that he could play for a local soccer team in a Junior Cup Final! What a loyal Armagh Gael.
You are truely one bell end.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
The lad shamefully prioritises Junior Soccer over representing Armagh.Compare this with Ger Houlahan in 1994 who missed the FAI Cup Final and a medal with Sligo Rovers to play for Armagh against Fermanagh in the Ulster Championship.
Tony is the sort of Catholic and the sort of Gael who only remembers what little he gives, but forgets all that he gets.
Tony attacks someone for not playing for a football team and defends an institution's cover up of child molesters. No credibility Tony...
There's no doubt that quite a few on here are obsessed with this tony fearon fella
Tony feels knobligated to comment on these things
This post has been spell checked
The title of this thread is a disgrace. I'm surprised the mods allowed it to fester on like it has.
GAA star bends over backwards to play Junior Soccer but not interested in representing his County? This is worth debating
Why, what business of yours is it what he decides to do
Er I follow my county,buy a season ticket etc in the expectation of seeing its top players representing us.It is soul destroying for me and all true Armagh fans that our best player does not make himself available,but does so, and even alters travel plans,to play Junior soccer.
Someone explain the GAA to Tony please :-\
Young boys (and girls these days) grow up dreaming of representing their counties.Pure and simple
Quote from: theskull1 on May 24, 2016, 11:19:12 PM
Someone explain the GAA to Tony please :-\
he hasnt a clue.. thinks they are contracted to play. A nasty gutless keyboard troll is our Tony
He is not contracted to play Junior soccer.But I note it was a Cup Final.Looks like Jamie is only motivated by silverware,or a reasonable prospect of same,either in soccer or GAA (club football)
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2016, 11:17:13 PM
Er I follow my county,buy a season ticket etc in the expectation of seeing its top players representing us.It is soul destroying for me and all true Armagh fans that our best player does not make himself available,but does so, and even alters travel plans,to play Junior soccer.
And why should Jamie Clarke, an amateur sportsman, give 2 tosses about you and your season ticket
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2016, 11:23:43 PM
Young boys (and girls these days) grow up dreaming of representing their counties.Pure and simple
I'm afraid you, of all people, can't play the
'wont someone think of the children' card.
I don't want anyone (REGARDLESS OF THEIR TALENT) that doesn't want to be there playing for any team I'm supporting.
Theres pure and simple for you Tony
What a ridiculous thread.
At the end of the day,in an era where there was little hope of success,Ger Houlahan forfeited an FAI Cup Final,money and the glamour of playing at Lansdowne Road,to play for Armagh against Fermanagh.Thats probably why he possesses an All Star something that Jamie will never have.
A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 06:00:36 AM
At the end of the day,in an era where there was little hope of success,Ger Houlahan forfeited an FAI Cup Final,money and the glamour of playing at Lansdowne Road,to play for Armagh against Fermanagh.Thats probably why he possesses an All Star something that Jamie will never have.
A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable.
I'd want to get away from certain fans too if I were him
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 06:00:36 AM
A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable.
I know this is the wrong side of the board for this comment, but never mind....
Tony, you consistently go on about Catholic values and how Fr Rory needs to be kicked out of the Church (which I have no opinion on by the way), but I think I'd honestly struggle to find someone who behaves in a more un-Christian way than you do).
You are a nasty, spiteful person.
Colin Howell school of logic from our Tony
Makes perfect sense in his head
Quote from: yellowcard on May 24, 2016, 11:53:27 PM
What a ridiculous thread.
It is actually a very dangerous thread, a most vile, unchristian individual who is going out of his way to gain notoriety by horrendous posts which the mods seem fit to do nothing about. This thread should have been pulled from the outset, a lad who has a great football ability who has given years of dedication to Armagh club and county football, is being berated and lambasted by a troll who probably never kicked a ball in his life, this thread is sickening as is the individual who started it.
Tony's right, Jamie Clarke's attitude is pure ridiculous. Armagh GAA should tear up his 100k a week contract he is on for his lack of respect he has shown them. He should be banned from south Armagh for playing a foreign sport and booted out of Ireland full time if he likes travelling that much. It's a farcical a man in his mid-20's is allowed to make his own choices these days.
T Fearon = GAA Board Joe Brolly. Are the statements extravagant because he genuinely believes them? Or does he love the attention they garnish.
There are lots of gaels in Armagh who are gutted that Jamie is not lining out on Sunday for Armagh and yes if I am honest it does give me a sense of frustration when I see him line out for a junior soccer team in the same way I see Aaron Kernan commenting on the games as I would like him to be there on Sunday as I would love Caolan Rafferty to be available .kyle Karragher , Paul McKeown, Stephen Kernan , Stephen Harold . Declan McKenna etc etc . But thats the way it goes. They're not there but they are still fit alive and good luck to them . They have their own reasons and it's their business. Why should they serve my interests of greed for success. It's a bad call Tony, you can't host your personal need or greed for happiness in the form of a win or success. To think like you do shows a very base side to your personality . Many may think like that but the wiser choose to keep their mouth shut.
Quote from: rionach 4 on May 25, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
There are lots of gaels in Armagh who are gutted that Jamie is not lining out on Sunday for Armagh and yes if I am honest it does give me a sense of frustration when I see him line out for a junior soccer team in the same way I see Aaron Kernan commenting on the games as I would like him to be there on Sunday as I would love Caolan Rafferty to be available .kyle Karragher , Paul McKeown, Stephen Kernan , Stephen Harold . Declan McKenna etc etc . But thats the way it goes. They're not there but they are still fit alive and good luck to them . They have their own reasons and it's their business. Why should they serve my interests of greed for success. It's a bad call Tony, you can't host your personal need or greed for happiness in the form of a win or success. To think like you do shows a very base side to your personality . Many may think like that but the wiser choose to keep their mouth shut.
Correct...
Quote from: illdecide on May 25, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
Quote from: rionach 4 on May 25, 2016, 09:24:01 AM
There are lots of gaels in Armagh who are gutted that Jamie is not lining out on Sunday for Armagh and yes if I am honest it does give me a sense of frustration when I see him line out for a junior soccer team in the same way I see Aaron Kernan commenting on the games as I would like him to be there on Sunday as I would love Caolan Rafferty to be available .kyle Karragher , Paul McKeown, Stephen Kernan , Stephen Harold . Declan McKenna etc etc . But thats the way it goes. They're not there but they are still fit alive and good luck to them . They have their own reasons and it's their business. Why should they serve my interests of greed for success. It's a bad call Tony, you can't host your personal need or greed for happiness in the form of a win or success. To think like you do shows a very base side to your personality . Many may think like that but the wiser choose to keep their mouth shut.
Correct...
+2
Would i love to see Jamie play for Armagh - Yes.
Tony you are a f**king p***k, in a day and age where these players can see all that is said about them and pub conversations that took place 20 years ago are now on forums for the world to see i find your remarks disgusting. He is free to do what he wants. The GAA is there for the Irish people in all walks of life. If he chooses not to play then so be it, he has given a lot over the years to his club and county.
No-one knows the mental well being of any individual but to be slated like this is bound to have an effect, Tony take your mud slinging back to the terraces of Association Football and leave one of our lads alone.
Tonys world:
Jamies mate: ''Jamie fancy a wee game of football and a few pints this saturday''
Jamie: No way bud, i didnt commit to Armagh this year so im not leaving the house until i go travelling in May''
People taking Fearon's poss seriously ::)
People replying to Fearon's winding :-[
I see the Irish News reporting on this. What's the big deal!?
Because they are the Sun in disguise
Because they are in the business of reporting news.Thank God we still have a free press.
Also if this is understandable,reasonable why the concern about story appearing in the newspaper?
This isn't news Tony, it is a former inter-county footballer playing for his local pub league team. It is has nothing to do with his GAA interests.
Jamie has no interest in playing for Armagh, deal with it.
any wonder the rubbish McGeeney sends them out to do, Jamie on the half back line ffs! Not so long ago was a similar thread with Tony slating McGeeney for taking Kildare... troll
I sincerely hope that if Armagh do make progress this summer,Jamie is not brought back into the panel when his appetite miraculously returns
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 04:21:25 PM
I sincerely hope that if Armagh do make progress this summer,Jamie is not brought back into the panel when his appetite miraculously returns
I wouldn't panic.. ;D
Quote from: RealSpiritof98 on May 25, 2016, 11:10:14 AM
Because they are the Sun in disguise
Exactly they are a f**king rag with gobshites as journalists.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 25, 2016, 11:06:08 AM
People taking Fearon's poss seriously ::)
People replying to Fearon's winding :-[
So if Jamie Clarke reads this or his family it's all tongue in cheek, as it would be of the parents whose children were raped by the catholic clergy?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 04:21:25 PM
I sincerely hope that if Armagh do make progress this summer,Jamie is not brought back into the panel when his appetite miraculously returns
And I sincerely hope slabber on the terraces as you do here.
Chill out pal.Sports fans getting into a frenzy over a hitherto hero is run of the mill.Roy Keane in Saipan, Sol Campbell joining Arsenal.It's par for the course if you pardon the pun.
Quote from: No wides on May 25, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 04:21:25 PM
I sincerely hope that if Armagh do make progress this summer,Jamie is not brought back into the panel when his appetite miraculously returns
And I sincerely hope slabber on the terraces as you do here.
X2 - T Fearon bit of truth for you... live and let live would ye and get over yourself..... wishing ill on someone for nothing more than your own happiness & glee says more about you than what Jamie Clark does or has ever achieved. Totally ignorant statement which says alot about you as a individual and your support for your county. Pathetic stuff.
Don't mind them Tony. You're 100% right. Feck that Clarke the soccer loving git
I don't wish ill on anybody.I am simply dumbfounded by a top Armagh player's decision to snub his county,while he commits to his GAA and soccer clubs.
Which allows him to travel while playing for his county wouldn't ???
It is all about priorities.Plenty of time to travel when the season ends.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 04:21:25 PM
I sincerely hope that if Armagh do make progress this summer,Jamie is not brought back into the panel when his appetite miraculously returns
I don't think we'll be having that problem, T.
Tony you know f**k all squared backwards. The reasons for Jamie going when he did is none of your business. He is gone from the Armagh and Cross squad, simple as that. He hasn't played for us this year and won't. He will be away for whatever length of time he decides but that once again is none of your business.
It's none of my business,but if he would care to enlighten Armagh fans as to why he can't or won't join the County squad he would gain more respect.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
It's none of my business,but if he would care to enlighten Armagh fans as to why he can't or won't join the County squad he would gain more respect.
He is not playing football. he is moving to America for the next few years, he is not interested full stop.
Why just him and not any other armagh player who has opted out? (Of which there seem to be a few)
We know he's not interested,we don't know why he's not interested.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 07:51:27 PM
We know he's not interested,we don't know why he's not interested.
Because there is more to life than football, and he's taking advantage of the few years of his life he has the opportunity to travel and see the world, without gobshites like you (who haven't stepped foot on a football pitch for decades) criticising him for it.
I'll tell you what Tony if I see him before he goes I'll ask him to write an open post on Facebook just so you know, how bout that?
Yes,but I will not accept the Travelbug excuse,as he stays at home to play for Crossmaglen Rangers and Cartwheel United (what a shite name for a soccer club by the way😱😱).
So what explanation would you deem acceptable?
I came on to this board to read about Armagh v Cavan and I see 25 pages on this topic. Flabbergasted. It's drivel like this that drives the likes of Jamie Clarke away from playing football. I've been on the Armagh forum for years and while there can be trouble and idiotic musings there is no way the moderator would allow this to continue. This tread should have been deleted a long time ago.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
Yes,but I will not accept the Travelbug excuse,as he stays at home to play for Crossmaglen Rangers and Cartwheel United (what a shite name for a soccer club by the way😱😱).
I'd say he won't sleep a wink tonight when he finds out you don't accept this.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
Yes,but I will not accept the Travelbug excuse,as he stays at home to play for Crossmaglen Rangers and Cartwheel United (what a shite name for a soccer club by the way😱😱).
Can't believe I am responding to this wum but here goes.
Tony, if he left in 2 weeks after Armagh were beat you would be just as annoyed and on here spouting about leaving before the qualifiers or before the Armagh championship, or the OFiach cup or the McKenna cup or next years league.
To be playing next week he would have had to trained upwards on 60 times with the Armagh squad.
60 sessions slugging his guts out, listening to Geezer, to stand behind a wall of blue while fat counts like you hurl dogs abuse at him for not being able to beat 5 Cavan defenders on his own.
With Cowshed United or Cross 3rds he might, with a few light hearted kickabouts between games get a chance to enjoy and display his talents.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
Yes,but I will not accept the Travelbug excuse,as he stays at home to play for Crossmaglen Rangers and Cartwheel United (what a shite name for a soccer club by the way😱😱).
::) Ffs, would you listen to yourself.
Yiz are mad responding. He can't really believe the stuff he writes or he'd be certifiable.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 09:03:01 PM
Yes,but I will not accept the Travelbug excuse,as he stays at home to play for Crossmaglen Rangers and Cartwheel United (what a shite name for a soccer club by the way😱😱).
Tony, he reported accurately to his superiors that he was off.
I am astonished you are not paying for his ticket.
Which is it, Anthony, that really grates with you most? Your jealousy at his abilities or the jealousy that he has the opportunity to travel?
As a season ticket holder at Cartwheel United I'm delighted that Jamie has remained true to his roots and avoided the temptation of being lured into the big time by Armagh. Good lad Jamie, enjoy your holiday and thanks for the entertainment you gave all us Cartwheel supporters this year
Listen you dopey f**kers, it clearly states in canon law, just after the chapter defining the shape of a bishops hat and before the chapter where the importance of communicating via your white collar with aliens, that young men must not play local league soccer while having dropped of a GAA inter county panel. Punishment is death by oranging, an ancient ritual where every man woman and child in your local town throws a mandarin at you.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 25, 2016, 11:08:53 PM
Yiz are mad responding. He can't really believe the stuff he writes or he'd be certifiable.
One thread would do entitled "please give tony fearon attention"
Dear Lynch mob,
Would you be happy if your county fielded a B team in the championship?
Yours etc
Orior
should be GAA conscription.. jail otherwise
A couple of months ago a down poster put up a full 15 that are unavailable this season for one reason or another. Just have to get behind the lads that are there and hope some of the absentees are available next year.
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
Dear Lynch mob,
Would you be happy if your county fielded a B team in the championship?
Yours etc
Orior
Id be happy if one individual wasn't targeted and berated and abused on an online forum because he doesn't want to play an amateur sport.
Quote from: No wides on May 26, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
Dear Lynch mob,
Would you be happy if your county fielded a B team in the championship?
Yours etc
Orior
Id be happy if one individual wasn't targeted and berated and abused on an online forum because he doesn't want to play an amateur sport.
I agree it is not okay to target, berate and abuse someone online. That includes both Jamie and Tony.
However in a free world, I think we should be allowed to discuss matters such as exceptional talents who walk away from the county.
Agreed.I never abused the lad.Just questioned his decision which is beyond comprehension,even more so when he rearranged travel plans to play Junior Soccer.Hypocrisy reigns on this Board in terms of abuse.Thankfully I am thick skinned.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Agreed.I never abused the lad.Just questioned his decision which is beyond comprehension,even more so when he rearranged travel plans to play Junior Soccer.Hypocrisy reigns on this Board in terms of abuse.Thankfully I am thick skinned.
;D Sorry couldn't resist Tony
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Agreed.I never abused the lad.Just questioned his decision which is beyond comprehension,even more so when he rearranged travel plans to play Junior Soccer.Hypocrisy reigns on this Board in terms of abuse.Thankfully I am thick skinned.
you referred to him not playing for Armagh as a 'despicable act'.
That's describing the act not him.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Agreed.I never abused the lad.Just questioned his decision which is beyond comprehension,even more so when he rearranged travel plans to play Junior Soccer.Hypocrisy reigns on this Board in terms of abuse.Thankfully I am thick skinned.
Only for you ya tulip!
You are the only person who cant comprehend why someone would not play for their county.
Right-thinkin folk can understand (maybe not agree with) why some people may choose to opt out of county football these days.
There are a lot more than him opting out of IC panels this year
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: No wides on May 26, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
Dear Lynch mob,
Would you be happy if your county fielded a B team in the championship?
Yours etc
Orior
Id be happy if one individual wasn't targeted and berated and abused on an online forum because he doesn't want to play an amateur sport.
I agree it is not okay to target, berate and abuse someone online. That includes both Jamie and Tony.
However in a free world, I think we should be allowed to discuss matters such as exceptional talents who walk away from the county.
Tony is a hateful, unchristian, despicable character who trolls this board for his own self gratitude and doesn't care who he offends or abuses, Jamie Clarke has done nothing wrong yet this individual feels he can berate and disparage him, as for you defending him with your "humour" catch a f**king grip and call a spade a spade, if my mate was such a hateful individual i'd tell him not defend him.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
That's describing the act not him.
Have you ever played for Armagh Tony?
If not, is that not despicable too?
You couldn't be bothered putting in the time and commitment required to get to that level.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 11:12:59 AM
Agreed.I never abused the lad.Just questioned his decision which is beyond comprehension,even more so when he rearranged travel plans to play Junior Soccer.Hypocrisy reigns on this Board in terms of abuse.Thankfully I am thick skinned.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 06, 2016, 05:46:10 PM
Well if Oisin,Mc Geeney,and Marsden (or anyone else in that great team) had decided to go wandering in the summer of 2002, would Sam have come to Armagh? Jamie will be a young man still when he retires and will have plenty of time for wandering then.Meanwhile I cannot fathom any Gael approving of arguably their County's best player in his prime years,forsaking a season in the County colours to go on an extended holiday? In fact I cannot think of any other high profile player who has done this (those who emigrated to Australia for professional careers,or the USA for work,which is understandable to a certain extent, excepted).
But BC hit the nail on the head,the lad is a glory hunter and perceives that Armagh have no chance of doing anything this summer.How demoralising this must be for his manager and county team mates,never mind the supporters
Quote from: T Fearon on January 08, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
When the county's best player makes a statement to the effect that he doesn't believe it's worth his while making himself available for the county team due to his belief that there is little prospect of success it is indeed demoralising for the whole county,players management and supporters.A massive let down and totally selfish.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 24, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
The lad shamefully prioritises Junior Soccer over representing Armagh.Compare this with Ger Houlahan in 1994 who missed the FAI Cup Final and a medal with Sligo Rovers to play for Armagh against Fermanagh in the Ulster Championship.
You are trying to degrade the lad throughout your posts - if that is not abuse I don't know what is, but sure as a christian you would never abuse anyone!
Not relevant.I know full well the commitment involved.Thankfully Ger Houlahan had it and the lads who turn out on Sunday have it.
Do you not see the problem here when there are multiple armagh guys not commiting - as are loads throughout the country - and you start a thread on ONE of them?
Pointing out personality traits like selfishness and glory hunting is not abuse.Now go and examine your own posts about a certain Armagh priest to see what real abuse looks like.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
Pointing out personality traits like selfishness and glory hunting is not abuse.Now go and examine your own posts about a certain Armagh priest to see what real abuse looks like.
Is that that complete tr**p Gerry McQuillan from Portadown who is a convicted child abuser?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
Pointing out personality traits like selfishness and glory hunting is not abuse.Now go and examine your own posts about a certain Armagh priest to see what real abuse looks like.
By the way McQuillan the tr**p partook in real abuse.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
Pointing out personality traits like selfishness and glory hunting is not abuse.Now go and examine your own posts about a certain Armagh priest to see what real abuse looks like.
Oh the glory of playing for Cartwheel Utd in the Carnbane junior League. You've nailed him bang to rights on this one Tony.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
That's describing the act not him.
You never allow anyone such latitude when they describe Sean Brady's acts.
Quote from: No wides on May 26, 2016, 11:58:52 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 10:51:24 AM
Quote from: No wides on May 26, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
Dear Lynch mob,
Would you be happy if your county fielded a B team in the championship?
Yours etc
Orior
Id be happy if one individual wasn't targeted and berated and abused on an online forum because he doesn't want to play an amateur sport.
I agree it is not okay to target, berate and abuse someone online. That includes both Jamie and Tony.
However in a free world, I think we should be allowed to discuss matters such as exceptional talents who walk away from the county.
Tony is a hateful, unchristian, despicable character who trolls this board for his own self gratitude and doesn't care who he offends or abuses, Jamie Clarke has done nothing wrong yet this individual feels he can berate and disparage him, as for you defending him with your "humour" catch a f**king grip and call a spade a spade, if my mate was such a hateful individual i'd tell him not defend him.
I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your posts.
As opposed to the hypocrisy of your post given Jamie isn't on posting shite.
Quote from: No wides on May 26, 2016, 01:29:04 PM
As opposed to the hypocrisy of your post given Jamie isn't on posting shite.
Yes, aye, indeed. You win.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
Pointing out personality traits like selfishness and glory hunting is not abuse.Now go and examine your own posts about a certain Armagh priest to see what real abuse looks like.
I don't tend to be particularly abusive about people I don't know. If you post them back to me then maybe that will show me but I don't think you will find any.
What glory is he hunting? Why is he being selfish? Due to not honouring your wishes?
He doesnt appear to have any issues commiting to his GAA club or Junior Soccer club when he perceives a good chance of silverware.
Or how about he is just choosing to do what suits him and his lifestyle best.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
He doesnt appear to have any issues commiting to his GAA club or Junior Soccer club when he perceives a good chance of silverware.
How do you know it has anything to do with silverware? He is from crossmaglen who happen to be winning a lot - that may or may not be related to him staying at times but you do not know that. Sure didn't BC say he wasn't playing this year too anyway so that argument is based on delaying travel by one week for a soccer match?
He will be back for Cross come Championship time.He always is
he may or may not be. You are just guessing as you have no idea about him or hos motivations.
What other armagh players aren't playing? Why no chastising of them?
I don't think there are any prominent players making themselves unavailable.The others doing so are mainly fringe players not automatic choices, probably feeling is the effort worth it for little or no game time.
So if you're good you deserve to give people an explanation but if you're not just as good you don't. Right.
He won't be back Tony. I've been very tolerant of you but I'm going to ask you to give it a rest. It is absolutely none of your business what Jamie does. He is moving away end of story. He doesn't want to play for anyone. He hasn't played for us this year. The lad has his own reasons and that's his business but it's assholes like you who have some perceived sense of entitlement to know about him and his life that have contributed significantly to him wanting to leave. Maybe you should develop some of your own interests instead of livings proxy life through other people's and their achievements.
Do you understand Armagh fans disappointment,especially when he saw fit to play for a Junior Soccer club as recently as last weekend?
It is not a perceived sense of entitlement.It is the profound sense of disappointment bordering on betrayal,when supporters see less than full commitment from prominent players,akin to Sol Campbell or Mo Johnston, once heroes to Spurs and Celtic fans but subsequently reviled.
A lot of 'fans' have bitched for the last few years that he hasn't delivered at county level so why should they be bothered? He doesn't fit the county's system and Geezer player him a half back ffs! Disappointed is understandable but it gives no one the right to have a answer as to why he is living his life!
As for betrayal will ye catch yourself on and go out and get some fresh air!
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
It is not a perceived sense of entitlement.It is the profound sense of disappointment bordering on betrayal,when supporters see less than full commitment from prominent players,akin to Sol Campbell or Mo Johnston, once heroes to Spurs and Celtic fans but subsequently reviled.
You do understand mo johnston and sol campbell were paid right...
Paid or amateur,these guys are heroes to supporters who are ordinary people who go to extraordinary lengths to follow their teams for a lifetime.
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Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 07:10:15 PM
Paid or amateur,these guys are heroes to supporters who are ordinary people who go to extraordinary lengths to follow their teams for a lifetime.
As expected you have illustrated that you just don't get it :D
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 07:10:15 PM
Paid or amateur,these guys are heroes to supporters who are ordinary people who go to extraordinary lengths to follow their teams for a lifetime.
I don't think you understood what BC1 said.
It is people like you who are the reason he isn't playing. If ordinary supporters are disappointed, then you and your ilk are the ones to blame.
This isn't exclusive to Armagh. Ciaran McDonald quit playing for Mayo because of the remarkable ignorance of some of our own supporters. Thankfully John Maughan persuaded him to ignore the Fearons of the wesht and he came back after a couple of years. But this post could easily have been met with shrugs of Ciaran who, from outside Mayo.
How is it because of me? I have never shouted abuse at anyone wearing an Armagh jersey,either on or off the pitch.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
How is it because of me? I have never shouted abuse at anyone wearing an Armagh jersey,either on or off the pitch.
No doubt your argument in this thread is that he is no longer wearing an Armagh jersey?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
How is it because of me? I have never shouted abuse at anyone wearing an Armagh jersey,either on or off the pitch.
No you do it on the internet.
I have not abused him,I have merely criticised his decision not to represent his county, for no valid reason as far as I can see.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
How is it because of me? I have never shouted abuse at anyone wearing an Armagh jersey,either on or off the pitch.
You started a thread comparing him to Stephen Ireland and then have persistently abused and insulted him on this thread.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
It is not a perceived sense of entitlement.It is the profound sense of disappointment bordering on betrayal,when supporters see less than full commitment from prominent players,akin to Sol Campbell or Mo Johnston, once heroes to Spurs and Celtic fans but subsequently reviled.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
He doesnt appear to have any issues commiting to his GAA club or Junior Soccer club when he perceives a good chance of silverware.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 06:00:36 AM
At the end of the day,in an era where there was little hope of success,Ger Houlahan forfeited an FAI Cup Final,money and the glamour of playing at Lansdowne Road,to play for Armagh against Fermanagh.Thats probably why he possesses an All Star something that Jamie will never have.
A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable.
The above is personal, publicly aired, abuse of an amateur footballer.
This is nowhere near as low as you have gone with clerical child abuse, gay marriage and alcoholism of certain individuals, but I am betting you will get there. I sincerely hope the player doesn't have the misfortune read your bile.
Rubbish.All the issues are related to sport, not personal.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 08:41:41 PM
I have not abused him,I have merely criticised his decision not to represent his county, for no valid reason as far as I can see.
Why the f**k does he have to give a reason? What the f**k do you think you are entitled to a reason? This type of attitude among 'fans' is why lads quit. It's none of your business why he is going away and I know for an absolute fact that the type of attitude being displayed by you is one of the reasons why he is not overly pushed. He doesn't get the same attitude from people in Cross. The attitude is let him live his life and there's a spot for him if or when he comes back. I will be brutally honest if he never plays for Armagh again I couldn't care less. He's a young man who has the chance to live his life. It's not that he doesn't want to play for Armagh, he doesn't want to live in Ireland. There is another reason why he was home for a while longer than planned that had absolutely nothing to do with the soccer match and it was a happy coincidence that he was able to stay. The level of commitment for a soccer match in the Carnbane is no where near a club senior team nevermind a county team. But all of that is immaterial in the grander scheme as I said earlier it's none of mine or your business what he didn't commit to Armagh or us so I'll respectfully ask you to shut the f**k up!
I took a year off in my late 20s and did a bit of travelling and a few courses. One of the things was a cookery course. I know one of the 95 Clare hurlers via a friend and I ended up cooking in his house one evening. He said he would have loved to have had the time to do what I was doing but it was impossible with the training commitments.
Playing intercounty GAA is even more demanding of time now. Clarke has a broader view than a lot of players and he's right to do what he wants to do.
As an Armagh fan I'm disappointed he won't be playing this year but he is given the county a lot. A lot more than me or most on this board, tony included, has I would imagine. I'd like to thank him for his services and wish him well in his travels. If we're lucky enough to see him don the orange again I will be happy
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2016, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
How is it because of me? I have never shouted abuse at anyone wearing an Armagh jersey,either on or off the pitch.
You started a thread comparing him to Stephen Ireland and then have persistently abused and insulted him on this thread.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
It is not a perceived sense of entitlement.It is the profound sense of disappointment bordering on betrayal,when supporters see less than full commitment from prominent players,akin to Sol Campbell or Mo Johnston, once heroes to Spurs and Celtic fans but subsequently reviled.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 04:51:59 PM
He doesnt appear to have any issues commiting to his GAA club or Junior Soccer club when he perceives a good chance of silverware.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 25, 2016, 06:00:36 AM
At the end of the day,in an era where there was little hope of success,Ger Houlahan forfeited an FAI Cup Final,money and the glamour of playing at Lansdowne Road,to play for Armagh against Fermanagh.Thats probably why he possesses an All Star something that Jamie will never have.
A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable.
The above is personal, publicly aired, abuse of an amateur footballer.
This is nowhere near as low as you have gone with clerical child abuse, gay marriage and alcoholism of certain individuals, but I am betting you will get there. I sincerely hope the player doesn't have the misfortune read your bile.
It gets worse year by year
It's a shame Jamie's absence has overshadowed the build-up here and in the papers, but it's a challenge McGeeney thrives on.
Fearon's A real nasty individual...I wouldn't like to meet him....I'd end up doing or saying something I would regret. However I would love Brian or Tommy McGuigan to be introduced to him.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 26, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
As an Armagh fan I'm disappointed he won't be playing this year but he is given the county a lot. A lot more than me or most on this board, tony included, has I would imagine. I'd like to thank him for his services and wish him well in his travels. If we're lucky enough to see him don the orange again I will be happy
well said could not agree more
Why the mcguigans? He been victimising them too?
A few Savages have entered this thread I see.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 26, 2016, 09:46:39 PM
Why the mcguigans? He been victimising them too?
He called Frank a "fat alco" on here..lovely person.
He doesn't abuse people online though ???
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 26, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
He doesn't abuse people online though ???
QuoteRubbish.All the issues are related to sport, not personal.
Quote from: muppet on May 26, 2016, 10:05:38 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 26, 2016, 10:02:53 PM
He doesn't abuse people online though ???
QuoteRubbish.All the issues are related to sport, not personal.
:D
So we have to Savage someone about a careless, and admittedly inappropriate remark 14 years ago now?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
A few Savages have entered this thread I see.
Lily and Robbie have joined up?
Aye for a glass of Paddy!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Clarke can do what he wants, its his life, why would u want to run it for him, he aint a robot, same as E Bradley, lad rather play soccer than Gaelic, its his life. where do we get of giving out about players not wanting to play county football, same chat happens about lads giving it their all for the county and maybe not been good enough and wanting them of the panel
I merely criticised the lad's decision to turn his back on his county,from the perspective of a season ticket holder who wants to see the best players in his County side.Does he care what I or anyone else thinks? I don't think so.
So let's leave it at that then.
Have the teams been named? Put them up on the match thread please
Quote from: thebar on May 26, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 26, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
As an Armagh fan I'm disappointed he won't be playing this year but he is given the county a lot. A lot more than me or most on this board, tony included, has I would imagine. I'd like to thank him for his services and wish him well in his travels. If we're lucky enough to see him don the orange again I will be happy
well said could not agree more
Agreed
Quote from: 5 Sams on May 26, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
Fearon's A real nasty individual...I wouldn't like to meet him....I'd end up doing or saying something I would regret. However I would love Brian or Tommy McGuigan to be introduced to him.
Agreed. Tony is a nasty piece of work.
Obviously the lynch mob cannot spot the difference between a wind up and a serious argument.
sick idea of a wind up tho i doubt thats what it is...
Quote from: Orior on May 27, 2016, 12:43:42 AM
Obviously the lynch mob cannot spot the difference between a wind up and a serious argument.
Obviously your mate is a complete tosser.
Quote from: Orior on May 27, 2016, 12:43:42 AM
Obviously the lynch mob cannot spot the difference between a wind up and a serious argument.
Very odd topics to wind up on. Paedophilia and targeting specific individuals who make personal choices causing no harm to anyone then labelling them despicable.
I think said individual has got a bit carried away with their internet persona and has got very offensive so would need to be very careful using their real name as if the wrong person reads it they could be in trouble.
No the Jamie thing is not a wide up, it is a stated feeling about losing the county's best player.
I tip my cap to Muppet. He engages in debates without threats or name calling. Some others should try to follow his example.
Quote from: Orior on May 27, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
No the Jamie thing is not a wide up, it is a stated feeling about losing the county's best player.
I tip my cap to Muppet. He engages in debates without threats or name calling. Some others should try to follow his example.
Like your mate Tony you mean?
Quote from: Orior on May 27, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
I tip my cap to Muppet. He engages in debates without threats or name calling. Some others should try to follow his example.
He's a complete muppet.
Quote from: Orior on May 27, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
He engages in debates without threats or name calling. Some others should try to follow his example.
+1.
Some terrible personal abuse going on here.
Quote from: Orior on May 27, 2016, 09:29:53 AM
No the Jamie thing is not a wide up, it is a stated feeling about losing the county's best player.
I tip my cap to Muppet. He engages in debates without threats or name calling. Some others should try to follow his example.
There is no need for people to insult I agree but calling what someone does despicable is in the same bracket in my view. So while you are right about the insults if said person is complaining about people insulting him then maybe he should consider stopping insulting other people over the internet?
The tosser in question couldn't possibly be insulted enough .. Complete slime .... but then I guess his life must be pretty horrendous if he feels the need to be controversial at every turn .. maybe pity should be the order of the day but how do you pity someone so contemptible :-\
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 27, 2016, 12:08:04 PM
The t**ser in question couldn't possibly be insulted enough .. Complete slime .... but then I guess his life must be pretty horrendous if he feels the need to be controversial at every turn .. maybe pity should be the order of the day but how do you pity someone so contemptible :-\
He was unbearable in the summer of 2002 and put me off Armagh entirely
And just got worse with time
Insulted? Me? 😂😂😂😂😂.Water of a duck's back.I am hardly the first fan to express annoyance at a leading player letting the team down (for that is what's happening here) but there was never any personal insult in my posts on this thread.
or maybe he is a plant used by the GAA Board to offend people up like yer man was on the first Big Brother programme...
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 12:15:27 PM
Insulted? Me? 😂😂😂😂😂.Water of a duck's back.I am hardly the first fan to express annoyance at a leading player letting the team down (for that is what's happening here) but there was never any personal insult in my posts on this thread.
Tony youd sh*te youself if you were tackled by the people you have mouthed off about Jamie/McGeeney
Criticising actions is not abusing people.The abuse Sean Brady took on this Board for an incident 40 years ago,was truly shocking and further underlines the hypocrisy.
I am sure Mc Geeney and Jamie can deal with it as they have done throughout their careers.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
Criticising actions is not abusing people.The abuse Sean Brady took on this Board for an incident 40 years ago,was truly shocking and further underlines the hypocrisy.
He didn't get a hundredth of what he deserves the rat.. ... And he didnt get abused, the multitude of children he let down did though !!
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
I am sure Mc Geeney and Jamie can deal with it as they have done throughout their careers.
You called Jamie Clarke despicable ... Im pretty sure thats a personal insult ...
So you can add "liar" to your growing list of wretched qualities.
And yet the Moderators do nothing.
Despicable? Ffs😣.A whole host of posters,not brave enough to use their real names of course have been abusive on this thread.Whoever said the Moderators still do nothing about it is so right.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
Despicable? Ffs😣.A whole host of posters,not brave enough to use their real names of course have been abusive on this thread.Whoever said the Moderators still do nothing about it is so right.
With some of the stuff you post I would actually say you are making a big mistake using your real name. I would say stupid but that would be insulting ;D Are you not the guy who was visited by someone before?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 27, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 01:50:03 PM
Despicable? Ffs😣.A whole host of posters,not brave enough to use their real names of course have been abusive on this thread.Whoever said the Moderators still do nothing about it is so right.
With some of the stuff you post I would actually say you are making a big mistake using your real name. I would say stupid but that would be insulting ;D Are you not the guy who was visited by someone before?
Think that was Sligionan
I was visited as a peace offering.I bump into people from this Board all the time,even BC,and never have a problem.In 2012 in Hyde Park I showed my season ticket to lad at the turnstile from Roscommon and when he saw my name he said "You're not are you?" 😁😁😁
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
I was visited as a peace offering.I bump into people from this Board all the time,even BC,and never have a problem.In 2012 in Hyde Park I showed my season ticket to lad at the turnstile from Roscommon and when he saw my name he said "You're not are you?" 😁😁😁
Haha. I think you've got a bit carried away with yourself ;D
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
I was visited as a peace offering.I bump into people from this Board all the time,even BC,and never have a problem.In 2012 in Hyde Park I showed my season ticket to lad at the turnstile from Roscommon and when he saw my name he said "You're not are you?" 😁😁😁
::) Ah come on now...its time you took a holiday just to get away from it all for a bit and settle yourself! lol
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
I was visited as a peace offering.I bump into people from this Board all the time,even BC,and never have a problem.In 2012 in Hyde Park I showed my season ticket to lad at the turnstile from Roscommon and when he saw my name he said "You're not are you?" 😁😁😁
oh dear Jesus ::) .. what a complete clown you are !! ... yep, pity it is then !!
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
I was visited as a peace offering.I bump into people from this Board all the time,even BC,and never have a problem.In 2012 in Hyde Park I showed my season ticket to lad at the turnstile from Roscommon and when he saw my name he said "You're not are you?" 😁😁😁
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Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
Criticising actions is not abusing people.The abuse Sean Brady took on this Board for an incident 40 years ago,was truly shocking and further underlines the hypocrisy.
I am sure Mc Geeney and Jamie can deal with it as they have done throughout their careers.
Nobody abused Sean Brady. Criticising actions is not abusing people
A "miserable bastard" was just one of the appellations bestowed upon him.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 06:22:10 PM
A "miserable b**tard" was just one of the appellations bestowed upon him.
That was criticising the action, just like calling someone despicable. No abuse there is there?
I was the one who called him a miserable bastard. I haven't changed my mind since I did that. I don't know or care whether or not that's abuse, but whatever it is, it's an atom in the ocean compared to the rape of children. And to drag him in here in mitigation of your abuse of a decent man, as if their actions had some semblance of equivalence, is obscene.
You dont describe an action as a "bastard"
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 06:42:37 PM
You dont describe an action as a "b**tard"
Would you describe an action as a 'fat alco' ?
And break down the following sentence and explain how you were describing the act and not the person...
A lad who turns his back on his county,but can defer globetrotting to play in a soccer Junior Cup Final,is despicable
Despicable is an inferred description of his action.
Calling someone a miserable bastard,is a clear case of abuse which merited disciplinary action.Abuse as far as I can see from the rules is not conditional or excused in light of perceived actions or inactions of the person being abused.
Also another reference was made to a former priest convicted of paedophilia on this thread in highly derogatory terms.This person is from my own town, and while I do not in any way condone his actions,he does have an elderly mother and father who are heartbroken as well as a brother and sister.
Still no bans forthcoming for the perpetrator.
Frankly being described as despicable is hardly an example of abuse, unlike the other cases I've mentioned.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 07:01:50 PM
Despicable is an inferred description of his action.
Calling someone a miserable b**tard,is a clear case of abuse which merited disciplinary action.Abuse as far as I can see from the rules is not conditional or excused in light of perceived actions or inactions of the person being abused.
Also another reference was made to a former priest convicted of paedophilia on this thread in highly derogatory terms.This person is from my own town, and while I do not in any way condone his actions,he does have an elderly mother and father who are heartbroken as well as a brother and sister.
Still no bans forthcoming for the perpetrator.
Frankly being described as despicable is hardly an example of abuse, unlike the other cases I've mentioned.
So you did describe him as despicable. Whether or not you classify it as abuse or not is neither here nor there. Many on this thread I'm sure see it as abusing him. Surreal really
It's like Groundhog Day around here.
Quote from: Orior on May 26, 2016, 11:41:06 PM
Have the teams been named? Put them up on the match thread please
Is Clarke not named?
Quote from: BennyCake on May 27, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
It's like Groundhog Day around here.
more like one flew over the cuckoos nest
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
In 2012 in Hyde Park I showed my season ticket to lad at the turnstile from Roscommon and when he saw my name he said "You're not are you?" 😁😁😁
Syferus has always looked up to you.
Hope he has a ball
Apparently he has two
Quote from: T Fearon on May 27, 2016, 07:01:50 PM
Despicable is an inferred description of his action.
Calling someone a miserable b**tard,is a clear case of abuse which merited disciplinary action.Abuse as far as I can see from the rules is not conditional or excused in light of perceived actions or inactions of the person being abused.
Also another reference was made to a former priest convicted of paedophilia on this thread in highly derogatory terms.This person is from my own town, and while I do not in any way condone his actions,he does have an elderly mother and father who are heartbroken as well as a brother and sister.
Still no bans forthcoming for the perpetrator.
Frankly being described as despicable is hardly an example of abuse, unlike the other cases I've mentioned.
The parents of the abused by smyth that brady facilitated you blamed and yet no ban. Gerry mc quillan was a tr**p if his parents are upset what about the parents of those he abused.
I think the rag the irish news reported it on page 6 or 7 that year.
Jamie has set out his side of things and fair play to him!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jamie-clarke-its-a-courageous-thing-to-go-away-and-do-your-own-thing-402107.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jamie-clarke-its-a-courageous-thing-to-go-away-and-do-your-own-thing-402107.html)
Quote from: Disillusioned on May 28, 2016, 11:02:27 PM
Jamie has set out his side of things and fair play to him!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jamie-clarke-its-a-courageous-thing-to-go-away-and-do-your-own-thing-402107.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/jamie-clarke-its-a-courageous-thing-to-go-away-and-do-your-own-thing-402107.html)
Hmmm, that's all well and good but has he spoken to Tony directly? Tony bought a season ticket. And Hooley and all.
Shameful avoidance Jamie.
Best of luck to Jamie. I would love to see him back with Armagh but only wish him well
Just read the Irish examiner piece, Clarke has his head well screwed on, he's nobody's fool, best of luck to him.
He is right, there is more to life than kicking a ball over a bar.
Only for kicking a ball the Examiner would never have heard of Jamie Clarke.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2016, 01:15:40 AM
Only for kicking a ball the Examiner would never have heard of Jamie Clarke.
Neither would you or me or most people here.
What seismic point in the discussion are you moving towards ?
Don't hold back now .
Ye have 34 pages because he's good at kicking a ball.
Yes but he is happy to kick balls for Crossmaglen Rangers and a Junior Soccer team but not for Armagh.While not wishing the lad any ill whatsoever,and acknowledging his right to do as he pleases,his decision is still a massive let down to his county and its supporters who,despite being relegated, will still be out in force in Cavan today.I don't see how this can be described as courageous.To the contrary it's taking the easy way out and showing disrespect to your teammates and supporters.
Five players,including D Mc Kenna,left the Armagh squad after the defeat by Cavan three years ago,while the Championship was in progress,to go to the States.I don't think any of them played regularly for the County again.
Yes Tony, you just criticised the action, there was no personal insulting of Jamie whatsoever
Quote from: T Fearon on May 26, 2016, 05:31:05 PM
He will be back for Cross come Championship time.He always is
If you're going to be a hateful bastard at least stop trying to weasel out of what you actually said.
That will be another decision he makes.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:40:34 AM
Yes but he is happy to kick balls for Crossmaglen Rangers and a Junior Soccer team but not for Armagh.While not wishing the lad any ill whatsoever,and acknowledging his right to do as he pleases,his decision is still a massive let down to his county and its supporters who,despite being relegated, will still be out in force in Cavan today.I don't see how this can be described as courageous.To the contrary it's taking the easy way out and showing disrespect to your teammates and supporters.
Five players,including D Mc Kenna,left the Armagh squad after the defeat by Cavan three years ago,while the Championship was in progress,to go to the States.I don't think any of them played regularly for the County again.
Gavin MC Parland starts today.
Fair enough,but that decision did hamper their county careers.Lets salute the likes of Andy Mallon,14 years unbroken service,apart from a short period due to relocation to Dublin,who have nothing to prove and continue on,regardless whether Armagh are in the All Ireland Final or out of Ulster in the first round.
Tony here's how it is. After the AI club semi Jamie said that's it I'm taking a few years away and I'm not committing to anything. He said to Cross and Armagh management he wasn't going to be around. He went away to Paris and Australia for a while. When he came back from Australia the Armagh club stuff had started but he never once played for us. I don't think he even went to a single game. He played about 3 games in total for the Cartwheel over a period of 4 weeks, just for a bit of craic. They won the cup and somehow in your mind he has made some big commitment to soccer that he refused to make to Armagh. Why can't you see that he simply does not want to play? Guess what, there's a bigger world out there than Armagh and the GAA! He has made a life decision for himself so have some decency and respect it. If anything I should be the one bitching about it more than you. Let's be honest here Armagh are not challenging for titles with or without Jamie. We were a kick of a ball away from an AI club final this year and a fully fit and fully focused Jamie would have made a huge difference but it wasn't to be and isn't going to be for the near future. We are disappointed but guess what life goes on. Players come and go. Deal with it.
We will deal with it,but we will still feel let down,as I presume the people in Cross feel.
Why are ye silly enough to give Fearon the attention he craves. All yer doing is ensuring he'll do the same again in the future.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 29, 2016, 01:37:55 AM
Ye have 34 pages because he's good at kicking a ball.
I said don't hold back.
Ye did.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 10:33:54 AM
We will deal with it,but we will still feel let down,as I presume the people in Cross feel.
You can speak for yourself about feeling let down. No one has the right to feel let down. He is going to America to work and live his life as many other young men do. You can feel disappointed but you have no right to feel let down as he owes you, me, anyone nothing. This is ridiculous tony and I want to ask you something. You portray yourself as the uber-supporter of Armagh yet you have spent days posting on this thread criticising a young Armagh man for making a decision about his life and undermining him yet at the same time you haven't posted once about the game v Cavan on the match thread. You're an agenda driven fraud Tony. Your posts have an under lying thrust to try to open up some issue about Cross v Armagh or some issue about the Armagh management. At least have the balls to say it instead of using it as a vehicle for a character assassination of a young man who happens to be a friend of mine.
The Examiner article gives a great insight to a very mature young man who has had the courage to make a decision to live his life to the full. Too many of us live our lives within multiple constraints put in place by ourselves, the expectations of our families and our communities to follow well trodden paths. If most of us were honest we are probably jealous of Jamie and his decision to go his own way. As he says in the article he is open to persuasion but has managed to hold to his own decisions for the immediate future. The extent of pressure that is exerted by those who set family and community expectations on the young to conform to the centre ground is really immense and Jamie must be applauded for not only going his own way but being a role model for other young people who can see to the horizon and a bigger and better world beyond the confines of parish, county and country. The article also shows the maturity and sensitivity of Jamie when he recognises that his decisions may be hurtful and difficult for the older members of his community when he mentions not wanting to hurt Mrs McConville. Playing football is not life, it may be a facet of a life well lived and enjoyed, it is recreation to be enjoyed and not endured. Full marks to Jamie to decide to get off the treadmill because football has become too serious for many involved and developed into a game where the ultra talented and free spirited are no longer needed, the system has become more important than the individual. Well drilled athletes are becoming the successful norm at the expense of the truly talented being able to express themselves.
On the other hand and in the extreme, Tony provides a mirror for us all in terms of how the conservative nature of our society demands that the young should conform to its expectations and in this instance to be slaves to these expectations because of some type of cultural debt that is owed. Tony's views may be far from our own but they are just a concentration of thoughts and feelings that lurk in the minds of many of us.
Good luck to Jamie Clarke, I hope all works out for him but he should be safe in the knowledge that there will always be a welcome for him in his family and community should he decide to return to his roots in Crossmaglen.
T Fearon feeling let down because a young lad won't do what he wants.
Having read a few of his posts he seems like an idiot. I would much prefer it if T Fearon did not share his idiotic notions on a public forum.
I too feel let down that T Fearon won't do what I want.
Life is so unfair. I'm going to do what any middle aged man should do. I'm gonna start a thread and gripe about it.
Quote from: Disillusioned on May 29, 2016, 11:40:03 AM
The Examiner article gives a great insight to a very mature young man who has had the courage to make a decision to live his life to the full. Too many of us live our lives within multiple constraints put in place by ourselves, the expectations of our families and our communities to follow well trodden paths. If most of us were honest we are probably jealous of Jamie and his decision to go his own way. As he says in the article he is open to persuasion but has managed to hold to his own decisions for the immediate future. The extent of pressure that is exerted by those who set family and community expectations on the young to conform to the centre ground is really immense and Jamie must be applauded for not only going his own way but being a role model for other young people who can see to the horizon and a bigger and better world beyond the confines of parish, county and country. The article also shows the maturity and sensitivity of Jamie when he recognises that his decisions may be hurtful and difficult for the older members of his community when he mentions not wanting to hurt Mrs McConville. Playing football is not life, it may be a facet of a life well lived and enjoyed, it is recreation to be enjoyed and not endured. Full marks to Jamie to decide to get off the treadmill because football has become too serious for many involved and developed into a game where the ultra talented and free spirited are no longer needed, the system has become more important than the individual. Well drilled athletes are becoming the successful norm at the expense of the truly talented being able to express themselves.
On the other hand and in the extreme, Tony provides a mirror for us all in terms of how the conservative nature of our society demands that the young should conform to its expectations and in this instance to be slaves to these expectations because of some type of cultural debt that is owed. Tony's views may be far from our own but they are just a concentration of thoughts and feelings that lurk in the minds of many of us.
Good luck to Jamie Clarke, I hope all works out for him but he should be safe in the knowledge that there will always be a welcome for him in his family and community should he decide to return to his roots in Crossmaglen.
Great read
Complete bullshit.It is mollycoddling that has created the weaklings that are the youth of today.Just recently schools have banned running in the playground,in case someone falls and gets hurt and one school even banned a whistle to herald the end of break time,because the noise is too aggressive.Ffs!
Persevering with sport at a high level is discipline inducing and character building.Running away due to perceived pressure is not.The youth will find as they progress through life that you cannot run away from everything.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
Complete bullshit.It is mollycoddling that has created the weaklings that are the youth of today.Just recently schools have banned running in the playground,in case someone falls and gets hurt and one school even banned a whistle to herald the end of break time,because the noise is too aggressive.Ffs!
Persevering with sport at a high level is discipline inducing and character building.Running away due to perceived pressure is not.The youth will find as they progress through life that you cannot run away from everything.
Agreed with all of that. I'd love to incorporate watching someone play a football match as part of a job interview. You'd see what sort of character they have pretty quickly
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
Complete bullshit.It is mollycoddling that has created the weaklings that are the youth of today.Just recently schools have banned running in the playground,in case someone falls and gets hurt and one school even banned a whistle to herald the end of break time,because the noise is too aggressive.Ffs!
Persevering with sport at a high level is discipline inducing and character building.Running away due to perceived pressure is not.The youth will find as they progress through life that you cannot run away from everything.
Running away?? The guy is going away to make a living and broaden his horizons in New York. He's an amateur player whom has busted his hole for Crossmaglen and Armagh in the past. As much as we love the GAA ,it is not the be all and end all for every player who pulls on a jersey. Honestly Fearon you should quit with this Jamie Clarke stuff while you're ahead,because knowing you, you're going to end up saying something that will get you in trouble.
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on May 29, 2016, 07:38:35 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
Complete bullshit.It is mollycoddling that has created the weaklings that are the youth of today.Just recently schools have banned running in the playground,in case someone falls and gets hurt and one school even banned a whistle to herald the end of break time,because the noise is too aggressive.Ffs!
Persevering with sport at a high level is discipline inducing and character building.Running away due to perceived pressure is not.The youth will find as they progress through life that you cannot run away from everything.
Running away?? The guy is going away to make a living and broaden his horizons in New York. He's an amateur player whom has busted his hole for Crossmaglen and Armagh in the past. As much as we love the GAA ,it is not the be all and end all for every player who pulls on a jersey. Honestly Fearon you should quit with this Jamie Clarke stuff while you're ahead,because knowing you, you're going to end up saying something that will get you in trouble.
You know you're never going to win a debate or get him to cop on, why try? That's the most fascinating thing in this thread for me. I guess I don't have as much faith in the honesty of purpose of posters that some here have.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
Complete bullshit.It is mollycoddling that has created the weaklings that are the youth of today.Just recently schools have banned running in the playground,in case someone falls and gets hurt and one school even banned a whistle to herald the end of break time,because the noise is too aggressive.Ffs!
Persevering with sport at a high level is discipline inducing and character building.Running away due to perceived pressure is not.The youth will find as they progress through life that you cannot run away from everything.
Tony would you ever look at yourself, now Jamies actions are symptomatic of the problems of today's youth? Just wise up and let it go. What today showed me is that Jamie was f**king completely right in doing what he did as the county team is a shambles and not worth committing to under the current set up, management and county board. Why waste you time for that crap, at least he knew what he was doing, as did his team mates, when playing for Cross and even the Cartwheel, Armagh are leaderless and clueless.
We need another world war to sort out these soft young lads.
In all seriousness it is a bit ridiculous.Life is filled with challenges and pressure,the higher up the food chain one goes professionally, or in professional or amateur sport the more pressure there will be.Mollycoddling will not help prepare the young for the rigours of life.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 08:40:15 PM
In all seriousness it is a bit ridiculous.Life is filled with challenges and pressure,the higher up the food chain one goes professionally, or in professional or amateur sport the more pressure there will be.Mollycoddling will not help prepare the young for the rigours of life.
Maybe that is a ladder Jamie has no interest in climbing!
Quote from: INDIANA on May 29, 2016, 07:27:41 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 07:24:24 PM
Complete bullshit.It is mollycoddling that has created the weaklings that are the youth of today.Just recently schools have banned running in the playground,in case someone falls and gets hurt and one school even banned a whistle to herald the end of break time,because the noise is too aggressive.Ffs!
Persevering with sport at a high level is discipline inducing and character building.Running away due to perceived pressure is not.The youth will find as they progress through life that you cannot run away from everything.
Agreed with all of that. I'd love to incorporate watching someone play a football match as part of a job interview. You'd see what sort of character they have pretty quickly
Absolutely. If I'm gong under the knife, I need to know my surgeon can kick off both feet.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 08:40:15 PM
In all seriousness it is a bit ridiculous.Life is filled with challenges and pressure,the higher up the food chain one goes professionally, or in professional or amateur sport the more pressure there will be.Mollycoddling will not help prepare the young for the rigours of life.
Fearon giving advice on raising the young...too many jokes...not enough time...irony levels dangerously high...HELP US!!
Training god knows how many times a week. Not let play for the club. No social life, family neglected. Work life Prob suffers. These are all the problems a modern day footballer has to deal with and for what? To get knocked out of ulster in the 1st round. Jamie has given a lot to Crossmaglen over a number of years where 1 season rolls into another. He isn't the only footballer who has looked at it and said not for me. All that time and commitment and you haven't a chance of winning anything. I unders re and fully why these guys walk away. Country is full of players who don't want to do it anymore at inter county level.
Tonight plenty of Armagh fan's are lamentinng Jamie's decision. But that is a reflection of our selfish thinking on how he should order his life.
Few of think he looks anything other than wise tonight
The great shame is the thousands (it seemed to me they matched the home support in terms of numbers) of Armagh fans in Cavan today do not get to see one of the best players in the County in a county jersey this year.
Most of these supporters would love or have loved to have had the talent to be selected for the county.They cannot fathom how players who have the talent spurn the opportunity.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
The great shame is the thousands (it seemed to me they matched the home support in terms of numbers) of Armagh fans in Cavan today do not get to see one of the best players in the County in a county jersey this year.
Most of these supporters would love or have loved to have had the talent to be selected for the county.They cannot fathom how players who have the talent spurn the opportunity.
Have you conducted a survey.
I didn't hear Brolly's word to day but have heard the essence of them. Most of the fans I spoke to were in agreement with Jamie and Joe
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 11:05:34 PM
The great shame is the thousands (it seemed to me they matched the home support in terms of numbers) of Armagh fans in Cavan today do not get to see one of the best players in the County in a county jersey this year.
Most of these supporters would love or have loved to have had the talent to be selected for the county.They cannot fathom how players who have the talent spurn the opportunity.
You think he would have made a difference at half back?
If every county player does a Jamie where is Gaelic Football? There is no other logical argument than fielding without one of its best players inevitably weakens a team.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2016, 11:29:34 PM
If every county player does a Jamie where is Gaelic Football? There is no other logical argument than fielding without one of its best players inevitably weakens a team.
30 odd pages in and you seriously are scraping the barrel with your argument at this stage, Tony.
Down the years we have had a litany of players who would not play for their County/Country. Effenberg, Ginola, Cantona, Keane (after Saipan for a while), Stephen Ireland, Duncan Ferguson, Giggs, Ribery, Paul Scholes, Nicky Joyce, Jimmy Barry Murphy (for the footballers), Larry Tompkins, Rory Gallagher. Life went on. People talked about the loss of such a player, about what could have been, about how wrong the player was. Nothing more annoys me that dwelling on such an issue! The player is gone he's gone, deal with it! Look to the lads who want to dedicate their time and effort. Forcing a player to come back into the fold can upset the team/group mindset and focus! Often the missing players value gets over-rated. This has happened with countless Dunphy rants. Average joes (playing in the Championship) not playing/picked for Ireland suddenly end up being Champions League standard players in the eyes of the public.
Mickey Harte said it best I'd say: "it's not about who you haven't, it's about who you have".
Such a fecking palava about feck all Tony, get a grip. :-\
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 29, 2016, 11:58:20 PM
Mickey Harte said it best I'd say: "it's not about who you haven't, it's about who you have".
Such a fecking palava about feck all Tony, get a grip. :-\
Hammer on the table Sold to Fear ón Srath Bán
I doubt Mickey would have been so philosophical had Peter Canavan opted out in his prime.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 07:58:47 AM
I doubt Mickey would have been so philosophical had Peter Canavan opted out in his prime.
I definitely don't remember Tyrone fans starting a vile thread like this when Steven O'Neill opted out and I don't remember Mickey being a anything other than diplomatic about his choice.
He worked like a beaver to get him back for the AI Final though.Different scenario.O'Neill was in the twilight of his career,had delivered and owed his county nothing.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 08:22:52 AM
He worked like a beaver to get him back for the AI Final though.Different scenario.O'Neill was in the twilight of his career,had delivered and owed his county nothing.
So what's the acceptable length of time before you don't "owe" your county anything?
By the way, O'Neill was still one of the best forwards in the country and as important to Tyrone at the time as Jamie is to Armagh. Stevie coming back for the final is irrelevant, had you been a Tyrone fan in 2008 (and thankfully you weren't) I suspect you would have had O'Neill hung, drawn and quartered as publicly as you could and maybe that sort of attitude from supporters on social media would have discouraged him from returning.
Totally different scenario.He was in the twilight of his career,and had delivered two All Irelands.Also this is not the first time Jamie has gone roaming.Also Jamie has not retired as O'Neill did,he is just not available at the moment,thus effectively trying to pick and choose when he decides to play.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Totally different scenario.He was in the twilight of his career,and had delivered two All Irelands.Also this is not the first time Jamie has gone roaming.Also Jamie has not retired as O'Neill did,he is just not available at the moment,thus effectively trying to pick and choose when he decides to play.
It's not totally different Tony, O'Neill walked away at a time when he was probably in the top 5 forwards in the country and it was a big shock at the time. The difference is that no Tyrone fan, that I recall, attempted to assisinate his character on a public forum.
Also, are you saying if Jamie retired then you'd be happy enough? So all this whinging from you is just semantics on the wording about his reason for leaving and what actually annoys you is that he is making a lifestyle choice which doesn't fit in with your own narrow mindset?
O Neill had given long years of unbroken service and had delivered.He was "retiring" not "taking time out" in the middle of his career.There is a world of difference.
Quote from: BennyHarp on May 30, 2016, 08:59:41 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 08:41:54 AM
Totally different scenario.He was in the twilight of his career,and had delivered two All Irelands.Also this is not the first time Jamie has gone roaming.Also Jamie has not retired as O'Neill did,he is just not available at the moment,thus effectively trying to pick and choose when he decides to play.
It's not totally different Tony, O'Neill walked away at a time when he was probably in the top 5 forwards in the country and it was a big shock at the time. The difference is that no Tyrone fan, that I recall, attempted to assisinate his character on a public forum.
Also, are you saying if Jamie retired then you'd be happy enough? So all this whinging from you is just semantics on the wording about his reason for leaving and what actually annoys you is that he is making a lifestyle choice which doesn't fit in with your own narrow mindset?
And he was only 27. If footballers are in the twilight of their career at 27 then Jamie Clarke at 26 must be hitting the twilight of his now too
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
Agree completely, it's disgusting how this ridiculous thread has been allowed reach 37 pages without getting closed. A more general thread about why an increasing number of players choose to opt out of county football or are retiring in their twenties would be fine but to specifically target one player because they don't conform to what you want them, is not right.
As long as there is no personal abuse then this and any other thread is fine.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 30, 2016, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
Agree completely, it's disgusting how this ridiculous thread has been allowed reach 37 pages without getting closed. A more general thread about why an increasing number of players choose to opt out of county football or are retiring in their twenties would be fine but to specifically target one player because they don't conform to what you want them, is not right.
I think this thread is a perfect example of why the likes of Jamie Clarke and others retire from intercounty football and football in general.
- Dedicating their lives to the sport
- Not getting paid for it.
- Having to listen to absolute tripe from people who probably have no clue about the pressures of the game at the highest level
- General small mindedness
Was there small mindedness in Cavan when Seanie Johnston exercised his right to do as he pleases and moved to Kildare? Sporting heroes can delight and exasperate their own fans.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 10:17:12 AM
As long as there is no personal abuse then this and any other thread is fine.
Surely Rule is broke here by yourself.
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Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
One troll getting put out by another trolls posts ::)
Quote from: Boycey on May 30, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
One troll getting put out by another trolls posts ::)
So you think it's correct to berate Jamie, you sound like another lovely human being. Kettle, pot and black spring to mind.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 10:47:04 AM
Was there small mindedness in Cavan when Seanie Johnston exercised his right to do as he pleases and moved to Kildare? Sporting heroes can delight and exasperate their own fans.
Did Jamie transfer to another county and fabricate an address there? If not then there is no comparison to be made.
No but Seanie merely exercised his right as Jamie did and suffered criticism as a result.
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
What about the trolling u have done on here to other posters u cowardly gimp
Quote from: redzone on May 30, 2016, 12:14:28 PM
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
What about the trolling u have done on here to other posters u cowardly gimp
Pointing out hypocrisy isn't trolling. By the way does your y and o not work, what age are you - 12?
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
Quote from: Boycey on May 30, 2016, 10:58:23 AM
Quote from: No wides on May 30, 2016, 10:05:05 AM
This thread needs locked and deleted, disgusting trolling of a young man who just wants to live his life.
One troll getting put out by another trolls posts ::)
So you think it's correct to berate Jamie, you sound like another lovely human being. Kettle, pot and black spring to mind.
No, I have no issue with whether Jamie plays (or not) its his call. I just hate the trolling that has become all too commonplace on here its making the place borderline unreadable...
Lads dont bother responding to this topic and he simply go away
I agree this sniping negative comments about JC is not on. I for one commend his decision not to play on a 3rd rate Armagh team. The lad clearly has standards. Good on you Jamie. 8)
His absence contributes to the below par performances.Do you not see the irony?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 30, 2016, 12:02:22 PM
No but Seanie merely exercised his right as Jamie did and suffered criticism as a result.
Many a man in Cavan over the years took time out, including one of our finest young players Killian Clarke. There was no one giving him abuse that I ever heard. Johnson was a whole other thing and trying to compare the two shows your complete stupidity.
A) No one is giving anyone abuse.Criticism of an action or decision is not abuse
B) Seanie Johnston and Jamie Clarke both made themselves unavailable to their own respective county's during hard times,treating their team mates and fans with contempt.I see no difference between them.
It's pointless debating with you Fearon, you've a bizarre angle on most topics and you are incapable of listening to others. I feel sorry for you in some ways.
Explain the difference? Both deserted their county teams because they judged there was little prospect of success.Just like Seanie Jamie no doubt will return when things are looking up.
Jamie has opted out. Fully entitled to do so. I wish folk would let it go.
While they're at it, give over about Aaron Kernan. He retired 2 years ago. He entitled to do so, as well.
Now let's focus on winning a game or two in the qualifiers, with the squad we have now.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 06:02:28 PM
Explain the difference? Both deserted their county teams because they judged there was little prospect of success.Just like Seanie Jamie no doubt will return when things are looking up.
I'd love for you to quote Jamie Clarke saying that. But since you can't, I'd love it even more if you'd shut your yap about someone who may have to face real world consequences for the bile you're spewing.
I have mildly criticised the lad for disloyalty.In my view deferring his travel plans to play for a Junior Soccer team was adding insult to injury.This was nothing in comparison to the criticism Seanie Johnston got from his own Cavan people,yet there was no one rushing to his defence,or, going back a few years when the two Brians were slated by loads of so called Armagh supporters, on this board alone,yet they'd delivered back to back Ulster titles.Again there was no one rushing to their defence.
In other threads today,Armagh's goalkeeper has been slated.So a little bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss.Everyone is subject to criticism,including myself.That's Life. Get over it.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
I have mildly criticised the lad for disloyalty.In my view deferring his travel plans to play for a Junior Soccer team was adding insult to injury.This was nothing in comparison to the criticism Seanie Johnston got from his own Cavan people,yet there was no one rushing to his defence,or, going back a few years when the two Brians were slated by loads of so called Armagh supporters, on this board alone,yet they'd delivered back to back Ulster titles.Again there was no one rushing to their defence.
In other threads today,Armagh's goalkeeper has been slated.So a little bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss.Everyone is subject to criticism,including myself.That's Life. Get over it.
Dry Up
Strong rumours in Newry Reporter tonight that Stefan Campbell and Caolan O'Hanlon are leaving the panel to go to the States.Look at what he's started.😡😡😡
What about Ciaran O'Hanlon, is he going too?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Strong rumours in Newry Reporter tonight that Stefan Campbell and Caolan O'Hanlon are leaving the panel to go to the States.Look at what he's started.😡😡😡
Would you ever f**k up,
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 31, 2016, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Strong rumours in Newry Reporter tonight that Stefan Campbell and Caolan O'Hanlon are leaving the panel to go to the States.Look at what he's started.😡😡😡
Would you ever f**k up,
Lads....why didn't yiz listen to us 10 years ago about this clown.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Strong rumours in Newry Reporter tonight that Stefan Campbell and Caolan O'Hanlon are leaving the panel to go to the States.Look at what he's started.😡😡😡
Maybe Stefan Campbell is leaving the country due to embarrassment for missing that 14 yard free?
Are T Fearon and J Brolly related?
Best of luck to Jamie. It's an amateur sport and nobody is obliged to play, no matter how talented they might be. Players are not slaves to the game. He's entitled to get out there and live his life as he chooses, and there's certainly plenty more to life than living in Crossmaglen and playing football.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 04:22:07 PM
His absence contributes to the below par performances.Do you not see the irony?
therr has been plenty of below par performances when he played. What's your point?
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 10:37:45 PM
Strong rumours in Newry Reporter tonight that Stefan Campbell and Caolan O'Hanlon are leaving the panel to go to the States.Look at what he's started.😡😡😡
I heard it's his fault Donald Trumph might get president too. In fact world poverty too.
I heard he is also responsible for your inability to spell the surnames of US presidential candidates! 😂😂
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
I have mildly criticised the lad for disloyalty.In my view deferring his travel plans to play for a Junior Soccer team was adding insult to injury.This was nothing in comparison to the criticism Seanie Johnston got from his own Cavan people,yet there was no one rushing to his defence,or, going back a few years when the two Brians were slated by loads of so called Armagh supporters, on this board alone,yet they'd delivered back to back Ulster titles.Again there was no one rushing to their defence.
In other threads today,Armagh's goalkeeper has been slated.So a little bit of consistency wouldn't go amiss.Everyone is subject to criticism,including myself.That's Life. Get over it.
No, you called him despicable, which is not mild. You also criticized him without knowing what was going on in his life or what was behind his decision not to play, what is still, just a game.
Now Tony, I don't "know" that you are a crumb-covered, keyboard slob, combining trolling here with incessant perusals of porn sites, desperately trying to assert your machismo, whilst secretly devastated by your own impotence, and sublimating the gnawing feeling of nothingness at the centre of your being by portraying yourself as a Z list celebrity/ papal count - BUT - since fact based critiques are not your thing, you'd surely concede I'd have the right to do so? Right?
Where is a good Mod when u need one...Tony seriously when everyone disagrees with you would it not make you think..."maybe I'm wrong here" and then shut the f**k up. Do i recall a few years back guys coming to your place of work to have a word with you about stuff you put on-line? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it were to happen again. We all say things we shouldn't at times but admit you're wrong and drop it, leave the lad alone to get on with his life and mind your own business. Paying in to watch a game does not entitle you to slate players or have any other right other than get thru the turnstile.
Hi Lads.. I have been following this thread, and while I fundamentally disagree with the OP's opinion on this, I don't believe he has specifically breached Rule 2, although he has made, in my opinion, some outrageously silly comments and drawn ridiculous conclusions. However, it is obvious to me that we are venturing towards that sort of territory, and obviously other people feel a lot differently about it, and are veering towards breaching Rule1 themselves. Therefore I am going to close this thread, and ask that it not be restarted. The makeup of our county panels, and debating the reasons for a players decision to play/not play are worthy of discussion, which is why I didn't close it earlier. However, I am cogniscant that some of the comments would be at best uncomfortable reading for the player, or his friends and family, so let's just leave it there. Any comments or disagreements, feel free to IM me, but I will tolerate no more debate on Jamie Clarke and his decision to live his own life. Best of luck to him.