East wall #Irelandisfull

[The Wedger]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone one here ever rented out a property they own?

Was your experience good, bad or neutral?

(I'm just curious as to why there's 166K vacant properties in a country with a housing shortage)

I did. Bought an apartment in Dublin , and lived in it. Went abroad for a while so rented it out. When I came back I moved back in with my wife, once the 5 months (I think) notice period had passed. Tenant had left the place in rag order. C'est la vie. Moved out again as we needed more space. Didn't bother renting it out for about 18 months before eventually deciding to sell it. Left money on the table , but not that much. And I just couldn't have been bothered being a landlord. Would probably make more long term sense to hold on it it ; but it's a pain in the hole.
(Also, the highest bidder - who we obviously sold to - was a Cypriot based institutional investor)

My experience is that if you get a bad tenant you are goosed.
They can stop paying rent for months and destroy the place and you are powerless to do anything.

[seafoid]

A lot of things can/should be done, a simple assessment should have been carried out and people allocated to areas that could facilitate the numbers being brought in, once that was reached then unfortunately it wasn't viable for either the Ukrainians or the towns and cities to help them better

Any illegals should be interviewed and assessed, if they are genuine refugees then they should be catered for, any chancers should be given the options of going home or stay and contribute to the area, jobs, paying taxes and so on.


Ireland has thousands of people that have left this place and contributed to other countries over the years, why can't we do the same

Planning is a national weakness, except in certain parts of Kerry and Kilkenny

[whitey]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone one here ever rented out a property they own?

Was your experience good, bad or neutral?

(I'm just curious as to why there's 166K vacant properties in a country with a housing shortage)

I did. Bought an apartment in Dublin , and lived in it. Went abroad for a while so rented it out. When I came back I moved back in with my wife, once the 5 months (I think) notice period had passed. Tenant had left the place in rag order. C'est la vie. Moved out again as we needed more space. Didn't bother renting it out for about 18 months before eventually deciding to sell it. Left money on the table , but not that much. And I just couldn't have been bothered being a landlord. Would probably make more long term sense to hold on it it ; but it's a pain in the hole.
(Also, the highest bidder - who we obviously sold to - was a Cypriot based institutional investor)

My experience is that if you get a bad tenant you are goosed.
They can stop paying rent for months and destroy the place and you are powerless to do anything.

I have a family member who has had the same tenant for over a decade. Rent paid partially by social welfare. House immaculate. No issues whatsoever-quite the opposite actually. The guy is very helpful to some of the elderly neighbors and checks in on them daily and picks up messages for them in town

On the other hand, my sister bought a house that had essentially been destroyed by renters. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes

Probably €20K worth of damage if I were to guess. Every stick of furniture and carpet had to be thrown into a skip and the hardwood floors had been destroyed by dogs

[From the Bunker]

In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.

We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.

[Itchy]

In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.

We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.

This vetting that people throw out is such horse shit. Who would do this vetting, who in the Ukraine would you ask to check it out as i think they've other things on their mind. I'm sorry but "vetting" is something far right rascists use to imply that people coming here are murderers and rapists. As for the other rubbish in your post, there are 50 Ukrainians a mile from my house and they've none of that stuff.

[AustinPowers]

In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.

We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.

That's the problem.  The Irish government  are  more concerned  with bending over backwards  to serve their EU masters  rather than their    own people  . They're no different to  the DUP arse kissing the Tories

[Eamonnca1]

What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.

Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/

How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.

[Gmac]

What are the demographics of the refugees

[Saffrongael]

What are the demographics of the refugees

Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country

[seafoid]

What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.

Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/

How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.

It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off.  Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.

Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m

[From the Bunker]

In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.

We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.

This vetting that people throw out is such horse shit. Who would do this vetting, who in the Ukraine would you ask to check it out as i think they've other things on their mind. I'm sorry but "vetting" is something far right rascists use to imply that people coming here are murderers and rapists. As for the other rubbish in your post, there are 50 Ukrainians a mile from my house and they've none of that stuff.

Was waiting for the FAR RIGHT RACIST comment. I never mentioned the words murderers or Rapists. Vetting can mean checking the original nationality, the age, the gender, the health. We were originally told that the children, women and the old from Ukraine were coming here.

Three miles from me there are a total of 700 Ukrainian and international refugees are being housed in accommodation on the Breaffy House campus. Of these 480 are from Ukraine, 15% are males all with families.

That's a lot of people to put into an rural area. But hey lets all put our hands over our eyes and carry on regardless.

By the way the poor Ukrainians at all levels are being used in this Circus.

[Eamonnca1]

In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.

We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.

This vetting that people throw out is such horse shit. Who would do this vetting, who in the Ukraine would you ask to check it out as i think they've other things on their mind. I'm sorry but "vetting" is something far right rascists use to imply that people coming here are murderers and rapists. As for the other rubbish in your post, there are 50 Ukrainians a mile from my house and they've none of that stuff.

Was waiting for the FAR RIGHT RACIST comment. I never mentioned the words murderers or Rapists. Vetting can mean checking the original nationality, the age, the gender, the health. We were originally told that the children, women and the old from Ukraine were coming here.

Three miles from me there are a total of 700 Ukrainian and international refugees are being housed in accommodation on the Breaffy House campus. Of these 480 are from Ukraine, 15% are males all with families.

That's a lot of people to put into an rural area. But hey lets all put our hands over our eyes and carry on regardless.

By the way the poor Ukrainians at all levels are being used in this Circus.

Used? By whom? For what purpose?

[Eamonnca1]

What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.

Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/

How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.

It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off.  Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.

Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m

Bigger populations in towns and cities means better economies of scale. For example they say that to justify a tram system you need ~100,000 or more living in the same urban area. They can build cool public transport systems like that on the continent because they have the population to support it. If Ireland is to get with the program then it'll need more people living in urban areas, not fewer. The idea that there's an upper limit to population is laughable, and it's even more laughable to suggest that Ireland is anywhere close to it.

[seafoid]

What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.

Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/

How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.

It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off.  Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.

Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m

Bigger populations in towns and cities means better economies of scale. For example they say that to justify a tram system you need ~100,000 or more living in the same urban area. They can build cool public transport systems like that on the continent because they have the population to support it. If Ireland is to get with the program then it'll need more people living in urban areas, not fewer. The idea that there's an upper limit to population is laughable, and it's even more laughable to suggest that Ireland is anywhere close to it.

We are going through a very unstable phase, as 70,000 Ukrainians in Ireland show. We don't know what the future will bring, Climate change is probably not good for food production. There are effective limits to populations.

[Milltown Row2]

1 kid per family or the Thanos option!!

Is that the options seafoid?