Hard to believe how different things were 30 years ago
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/the-case-of-the-kerry-babies-1.1759242
As Morgan Kelly said recently, catholic hegemony brought very little to the 26 counties other than a sense of duty
Every time I walk on the White Strand in Cahirciveen I think of that poor little baby, stabbed and thrown into the sea. Brutal stuff.
It was a shameful time in a dark period. Kerry Babies, pedophile priests, rotten political system, Anne Lovett, continuing carnage up North, recession etc etc etc
How did any of us stay?
"Hard to believe how different things were 30 years ago"
Not as different as this article would have us believe.
This had feck all to do with the Catholic Church and more to police taking shortcuts, which remains a problem.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 14, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
"Hard to believe how different things were 30 years ago"
Not as different as this article would have us believe.
This had feck all to do with the Catholic Church and more to police taking shortcuts, which remains a problem.
Social attitudes have changed a lot. There is no shame in having a child outside of marriage now.
A woman would never be humiliated in court today like Joanne Hayes was because of how she chose to live her life as a single woman.
I haven't seen any recent monographs on superfecundation either.
Quote from: seafoid on April 14, 2014, 10:54:33 AM
Hard to believe how different things were 30 years ago
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/the-case-of-the-kerry-babies-1.1759242
As Morgan Kelly said recently, catholic hegemony brought very little to the 26 counties other than a sense of duty
Shocking stuff, but religion all around the world has fucked individuals and societies up.
This kind of thing is not unique to Ireland
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/seven-dead-babies-found-at-womans-home-627792.html
One of the things about the Ann Lovett and Joanne Hayes cases was how little support there was for pregnant women - especially from the men involved or from the society around them.
I think that has changed a lot.
QuoteOne of the things about the Ann Lovett and Joanne Hayes cases was how little support there was for pregnant women - especially from the men involved
That's the root of the problem, these cases were as much to protect the men involved as anything else.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 14, 2014, 03:32:03 PM
QuoteOne of the things about the Ann Lovett and Joanne Hayes cases was how little support there was for pregnant women - especially from the men involved
That's the root of the problem, these cases were as much to protect the men involved as anything else.
Annie Murphy?
Two arrests
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2023/0323/1366014-arrest-kerry/
Nearly 40 years ago folks. (Seaf's sums again ;D)
The Hayes family had a relative who was linked to the Ballyseedy massacre.
The Kerry Babies story goes back to being a domestic tragedy.
We seem to have a lot of dark periods in Ireland over a 150 year period from the 1840's to the 1990's.
These are usually covered up by silence. We don't like to look at the past and when we do look, we look with disbelief. A kind of ''How did that happen?''
I expect the people involved always wondered would the day arrive when they were detected.
The Gardai didn't cover themselves in glory in the initial investigation. It seems like policing morality was as important to them as catching burglars and speeding drivers.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 24, 2023, 12:24:43 PM
Nearly 40 years ago folks. (Seaf's sums again ;D)
Check the date of the post.
Ann Lovett
Moving statues, abortion and divorce referendums, post Papal visit euphoria.
And a poor 15 year old girl had no one to confide in about her situation
And then they tried to cover it up
Has to be among the most shocking incidents since "independence"