East wall #Irelandisfull

Started by Truth hurts, January 04, 2023, 11:06:41 AM

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Bord na Mona man

As often happens, commentators bestow lofty political, or aspirational motives on the rioters - the far roysh.
In many cases, the truth is a lot simpler. A lot of these local hoods are opportunists, so when they see a chance to get one up on the Gardai, smash up and rob expensive sports gear from shops, they take it.
Same goes for when ATMs start spewing money, the chancers come out of the woodwork.
These same 'far roysh' would be wearing Celtic tops and singing to the Wolfe Tones on another day of the week.

Dublin north inner city has always been a problem spot with a concentration of social problems there. Covid has made it worse, add to that a demoralised and generally powerless police force and a very weak judicial system. It doesn't take much to spark it off.


LC

Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:01:26 AM
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Quote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.

Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?

The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol

Nonsense to start with and every bar, restaurant or cafe in the city would fold without their labour anyway as the scrotes thieving from stores last night won't (or can't) do that sort of work.

While a conversation has to be had around treatment of crime and values in this country, from foreigners and our own born & bred, immigrants have had an overall net positive in Dublin and made it a far more interesting, diverse and open minded city.

Agree 100%, if GB / RoI / NI wasn't filled with so many useless lazy b@stards there would not be a need for as much immigration and therefore less incentive to come here. 

At a regional level the principals of this were evident in NI long before the recent increase in recent years in immigration.  Politicians / 'community workers' crying on the TV about lack of opportunities / jobs for the supposed ' working class areas of Belfast yet M2 & M1 choked with cars and work vans every day.

Many moons ago I worked on Social Housing project in Belfast, a big demand for (free) housing in the area, however not many of the natives were working on the site or called in looking a start with the exception of collecting 'security' money.  All houses registered to 'single parent families' yet on moving in day the 'other half' also landed.

Kidder81

Quote from: LC on November 24, 2023, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 12:41:08 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:01:26 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 04:15:56 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.

Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?

The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol

Nonsense to start with and every bar, restaurant or cafe in the city would fold without their labour anyway as the scrotes thieving from stores last night won't (or can't) do that sort of work.

While a conversation has to be had around treatment of crime and values in this country, from foreigners and our own born & bred, immigrants have had an overall net positive in Dublin and made it a far more interesting, diverse and open minded city.

Agree 100%, if GB / RoI / NI wasn't filled with so many useless lazy b@stards there would not be a need for as much immigration and therefore less incentive to come here. 

At a regional level the principals of this were evident in NI long before the recent increase in recent years in immigration.  Politicians / 'community workers' crying on the TV about lack of opportunities / jobs for the supposed ' working class areas of Belfast yet M2 & M1 choked with cars and work vans every day.

Many moons ago I worked on Social Housing project in Belfast, a big demand for (free) housing in the area, however not many of the natives were working on the site or called in looking a start with the exception of collecting 'security' money.  All houses registered to 'single parent families' yet on moving in day the 'other half' also landed.

That's why I dont take the poverty stats too seriously here

tonto1888

Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 12:36:12 PM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.

No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.

Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.

Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.

The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.

If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.

there could be many reasons.
Language
Large community of [insert country nationals] there already so easier to fit in
Family here

So are those the reasons why people are coming or are those the reasons why people should be let in?

reasons why they come

gallsman

Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.

bennydorano

Connor McGregor giving of King of the revolution vibes. He'll  Grand old Duke of York the shite out of them lads.

Armagh18

Half the boys looting looked like immigrants as well. Can we just accept that we have plenty of scumbags in the country, both native and imported?

toby47

Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 01:15:44 PMConnor McGregor giving of King of the revolution vibes. He'll  Grand old Duke of York the shite out of them lads.

Just when I thought that pr!ck couldn't become any more of a pr!ck

tyrone08

Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.

Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really

Armagh18

Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.

Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
absolutely.

imtommygunn

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:20:35 PMHalf the boys looting looked like immigrants as well. Can we just accept that we have plenty of scumbags in the country, both native and imported?

eh?

ziggy90

Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.

Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
absolutely.

Plus one.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:48:10 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 01:45:22 PM
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PM
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls

Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.

Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?

A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.

Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
absolutely.

Plus one.
Questions that shouldn't be asked shouldn't be answered

whitey


Rossfan

#1123
Why is RTÉ and ithers calling them scumbags "protestors" (sic).
They're fkn RIOTERS AND LOOTERS!!!
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Pub Bore

Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 01:15:44 PMConnor McGregor giving of King of the revolution vibes. He'll  Grand old Duke of York the shite out of them lads.

One of the biggest wankers the country has ever produced.