All Ireland U21 football championship 2017

Started by Captain Obvious, February 21, 2017, 12:07:05 AM

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Kuwabatake Sanjuro

A Cuala win against Slaughtneil should be enough to keep Con O'Callaghan out. Not that it has anything to do with Kildare who need to beat Longford first who are always a tough game at this grade. Dublin and Kerry both beat us well at minor 3 years ago.

Kildare are without Paul Mescal who would have been their best defender as he is focusing on his studies while Rory Feely who is very talented is missing this year due to soccer commitments with St Pats. Jimmy Hyland who was the star forward on the last 2 minor teams is recovering from ACL surgery. So all in all we are not as strong as we might have been but would be hopeful that we are still somewhat competitive.

Syferus

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2017, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: ck on February 23, 2017, 08:12:33 PM
Predictions:

Connacht: Mayo or Sligo
Ulster: Tyrone or Armagh
Leinster : Kildare or Dublin
Munster Kerry

All - Ireland: Kerry

Galway were fairly unlucky to lose to Mayo by a point in the 2014 Connacht minor championship. Were completely in control of the game in the first half. Mayo got a penalty on the stroke of half-time and then Galway's best player, Michael Daly, got a dubious red card early in the second half. I know they really felt they left that one behind them on the day.

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-minor-footballers-agony/

Galway have subsequently won the last 2 Connacht minor titles so that likely rematch with Mayo looks like a humdinger. Sligo I know like the look of their team as well. Have been doing well at schools level in recent years.

Schools success in Connacht has had feck all correlation with minor county level, though.

shark

Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 23, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
All Ireland odds

Kerry 11/8                                                      
Dublin 4/1                                                      
Cork 7/1                                                      
Galway 7/1                                                      
Mayo 7/1                                                      
Donegal 8/1                                                      
Kildare 10/1                                                      
Tyrone 10/1                                                      
Armagh 20/1                                                      
Roscommon 20/1                                                      
Derry 25/1                                                      
Offaly 33/1                                                      
Cavan 40/1                                                      
Monaghan 50/1                                                
Sligo 50/1                                                      
Tipperary 50/1                                                      
Laois 66/1                                                      
Westmeath 66/1                                                      
Wexford 66/1                                                      
Longford 80/1                                                      
Clare 100/1                                                      
Limerick 100/1                                                      
Louth 125/1                                                      
Down 250/1                                                      
Leitrim 500/1                                                      
Antrim 750/1                                                      
Fermanagh 750/1                                                      
Waterford 1000/1                                                      
Wicklow 1000/1

Jaysis, Meath must be awful shite if they haven't even been given odds!

Ehhhh, yeah.

What the odds do show of course is the utter lunacy of the provincial system. Westmeath are roughly at a similar level to Roscommon I think it's fair to assume. Westmeath have already beaten Meath but yet are more than 3 times less likely than Ros (who haven't played a game yet) to win the All-Ireland. Obviously neither are going to win the All-Ireland, but it's just something that jumped out at me.


GalwayBayBoy

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Quote from: Syferus on February 23, 2017, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2017, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: ck on February 23, 2017, 08:12:33 PM
Predictions:

Connacht: Mayo or Sligo
Ulster: Tyrone or Armagh
Leinster : Kildare or Dublin
Munster Kerry

All - Ireland: Kerry

Galway were fairly unlucky to lose to Mayo by a point in the 2014 Connacht minor championship. Were completely in control of the game in the first half. Mayo got a penalty on the stroke of half-time and then Galway's best player, Michael Daly, got a dubious red card early in the second half. I know they really felt they left that one behind them on the day.

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-minor-footballers-agony/

Galway have subsequently won the last 2 Connacht minor titles so that likely rematch with Mayo looks like a humdinger. Sligo I know like the look of their team as well. Have been doing well at schools level in recent years.

Schools success in Connacht has had feck all correlation with minor county level, though.

True. No Galway school has been doing much good in recent years anyway. Not even Jarlath's.

Syferus

Quote from: shark on February 23, 2017, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 23, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
All Ireland odds

Kerry 11/8                                                      
Dublin 4/1                                                      
Cork 7/1                                                      
Galway 7/1                                                      
Mayo 7/1                                                      
Donegal 8/1                                                      
Kildare 10/1                                                      
Tyrone 10/1                                                      
Armagh 20/1                                                      
Roscommon 20/1                                                      
Derry 25/1                                                      
Offaly 33/1                                                      
Cavan 40/1                                                      
Monaghan 50/1                                                
Sligo 50/1                                                      
Tipperary 50/1                                                      
Laois 66/1                                                      
Westmeath 66/1                                                      
Wexford 66/1                                                      
Longford 80/1                                                      
Clare 100/1                                                      
Limerick 100/1                                                      
Louth 125/1                                                      
Down 250/1                                                      
Leitrim 500/1                                                      
Antrim 750/1                                                      
Fermanagh 750/1                                                      
Waterford 1000/1                                                      
Wicklow 1000/1

Jaysis, Meath must be awful shite if they haven't even been given odds!

Ehhhh, yeah.

What the odds do show of course is the utter lunacy of the provincial system. Westmeath are roughly at a similar level to Roscommon I think it's fair to assume. Westmeath have already beaten Meath but yet are more than 3 times less likely than Ros (who haven't played a game yet) to win the All-Ireland. Obviously neither are going to win the All-Ireland, but it's just something that jumped out at me.

Obviously.

Whatever about senior, envenitability is not something that exsists at underage, thankfully.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Syferus on February 24, 2017, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: shark on February 23, 2017, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 23, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
All Ireland odds

Kerry 11/8                                                      
Dublin 4/1                                                      
Cork 7/1                                                      
Galway 7/1                                                      
Mayo 7/1                                                      
Donegal 8/1                                                      
Kildare 10/1                                                      
Tyrone 10/1                                                      
Armagh 20/1                                                      
Roscommon 20/1                                                      
Derry 25/1                                                      
Offaly 33/1                                                      
Cavan 40/1                                                      
Monaghan 50/1                                                
Sligo 50/1                                                      
Tipperary 50/1                                                      
Laois 66/1                                                      
Westmeath 66/1                                                      
Wexford 66/1                                                      
Longford 80/1                                                      
Clare 100/1                                                      
Limerick 100/1                                                      
Louth 125/1                                                      
Down 250/1                                                      
Leitrim 500/1                                                      
Antrim 750/1                                                      
Fermanagh 750/1                                                      
Waterford 1000/1                                                      
Wicklow 1000/1

Jaysis, Meath must be awful shite if they haven't even been given odds!

Ehhhh, yeah.

What the odds do show of course is the utter lunacy of the provincial system. Westmeath are roughly at a similar level to Roscommon I think it's fair to assume. Westmeath have already beaten Meath but yet are more than 3 times less likely than Ros (who haven't played a game yet) to win the All-Ireland. Obviously neither are going to win the All-Ireland, but it's just something that jumped out at me.

Obviously.

Whatever about senior, envenitability is not something that exsists at underage, thankfully.

Do you mean inevitability?

moysider

Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2017, 11:37:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 23, 2017, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2017, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: ck on February 23, 2017, 08:12:33 PM
Predictions:

Connacht: Mayo or Sligo
Ulster: Tyrone or Armagh
Leinster : Kildare or Dublin
Munster Kerry

All - Ireland: Kerry

Galway were fairly unlucky to lose to Mayo by a point in the 2014 Connacht minor championship. Were completely in control of the game in the first half. Mayo got a penalty on the stroke of half-time and then Galway's best player, Michael Daly, got a dubious red card early in the second half. I know they really felt they left that one behind them on the day.

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-minor-footballers-agony/

Galway have subsequently won the last 2 Connacht minor titles so that likely rematch with Mayo looks like a humdinger. Sligo I know like the look of their team as well. Have been doing well at schools level in recent years.

Schools success in Connacht has had feck all correlation with minor county level, though.

True. No Galway school has been doing much good in recent years anyway. Not even Jarlath's.

A lot of Mayo underage players come from all over the place as regards schools. We never had those super schools like Jarlath's used to be. Sligo have 2 super schools now with Attracta's and Summerhill. Most of their minors will come out of those schools. Last year Mayo had a very competitive A colleges team and don't think any of that team even made the minor panel.

shark

Quote from: Syferus on February 24, 2017, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: shark on February 23, 2017, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 23, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
All Ireland odds

Kerry 11/8                                                      
Dublin 4/1                                                      
Cork 7/1                                                      
Galway 7/1                                                      
Mayo 7/1                                                      
Donegal 8/1                                                      
Kildare 10/1                                                      
Tyrone 10/1                                                      
Armagh 20/1                                                      
Roscommon 20/1                                                      
Derry 25/1                                                      
Offaly 33/1                                                      
Cavan 40/1                                                      
Monaghan 50/1                                                
Sligo 50/1                                                      
Tipperary 50/1                                                      
Laois 66/1                                                      
Westmeath 66/1                                                      
Wexford 66/1                                                      
Longford 80/1                                                      
Clare 100/1                                                      
Limerick 100/1                                                      
Louth 125/1                                                      
Down 250/1                                                      
Leitrim 500/1                                                      
Antrim 750/1                                                      
Fermanagh 750/1                                                      
Waterford 1000/1                                                      
Wicklow 1000/1

Jaysis, Meath must be awful shite if they haven't even been given odds!

Ehhhh, yeah.

What the odds do show of course is the utter lunacy of the provincial system. Westmeath are roughly at a similar level to Roscommon I think it's fair to assume. Westmeath have already beaten Meath but yet are more than 3 times less likely than Ros (who haven't played a game yet) to win the All-Ireland. Obviously neither are going to win the All-Ireland, but it's just something that jumped out at me.

Obviously.

Whatever about senior, envenitability is not something that exsists at underage, thankfully.

I don't mean to belittle anyone's chances, I'd love to see a long shot win of course. But as romantic as your post sounds, I reckon you'd have to go a hell of a long way back to find a 20/1 (or longer) winner of the u21 all-Ireland. I'd make a guess at 1999.

ballinaman

Quote from: moysider on February 24, 2017, 01:01:28 AM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2017, 11:37:03 PM
Quote from: Syferus on February 23, 2017, 10:23:10 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on February 23, 2017, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: ck on February 23, 2017, 08:12:33 PM
Predictions:

Connacht: Mayo or Sligo
Ulster: Tyrone or Armagh
Leinster : Kildare or Dublin
Munster Kerry

All - Ireland: Kerry

Galway were fairly unlucky to lose to Mayo by a point in the 2014 Connacht minor championship. Were completely in control of the game in the first half. Mayo got a penalty on the stroke of half-time and then Galway's best player, Michael Daly, got a dubious red card early in the second half. I know they really felt they left that one behind them on the day.

http://connachttribune.ie/galway-minor-footballers-agony/

Galway have subsequently won the last 2 Connacht minor titles so that likely rematch with Mayo looks like a humdinger. Sligo I know like the look of their team as well. Have been doing well at schools level in recent years.

Schools success in Connacht has had feck all correlation with minor county level, though.

True. No Galway school has been doing much good in recent years anyway. Not even Jarlath's.

A lot of Mayo underage players come from all over the place as regards schools. We never had those super schools like Jarlath's used to be. Sligo have 2 super schools now with Attracta's and Summerhill. Most of their minors will come out of those schools. Last year Mayo had a very competitive A colleges team and don't think any of that team even made the minor panel.
Speaking of schools football...Mayo has representation in grade this year..Claremorris vs Tubbercurry in the A final. Ballinrobe vs Athenry in the B final next Monday, Ballyhaunis in the C final Saturday....and Belmullet have won the D final already.

Maroon Manc

Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 23, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
A Cuala win against Slaughtneil should be enough to keep Con O'Callaghan out. Not that it has anything to do with Kildare who need to beat Longford first who are always a tough game at this grade. Dublin and Kerry both beat us well at minor 3 years ago.

Kildare are without Paul Mescal who would have been their best defender as he is focusing on his studies while Rory Feely who is very talented is missing this year due to soccer commitments with St Pats. Jimmy Hyland who was the star forward on the last 2 minor teams is recovering from ACL surgery. So all in all we are not as strong as we might have been but would be hopeful that we are still somewhat competitive.

I watched the Kildare minors last summer against Mayo and thought Jack Robinson was the best player on the pitch by a mile, a joy to watch. Is he on the u21's this year or is he still a minor?

Kuwabatake Sanjuro

He played in the McNulty cup already this year so should be on the panel, has great pace and the ability to go past his man but we have a good collection of decent forwards available with good experience so he more than likely won't start. He was a little inconsistent at minor level and Kerry dealt with easily in the semi final last year. 4 of the 6 forwards who started the u21 leinster final are underage again this year with Ben McCormack being the pick of them. He is due to start against Derry Sunday which might be a bit of a risk going into the Longford game.

ck

Challenge match result from last week.
Cavan 3-18 Sligo 1-9

Make of that what you will.

Itchy

Quote from: ck on February 28, 2017, 12:00:22 AM
Challenge match result from last week.
Cavan 3-18 Sligo 1-9

Make of that what you will.

Cavan maybe figured out they need some forwards?

I always laugh at the odds and the giving off about them. The reason Westmeath are lower odds than say Ros could be for a number of reasons. Maybe Ros has an easier route out of Connacht, wont have to face the favourites as early etc. Maybe there are a load of ejits in Ros betting like mad on Ros to win too. The bookies are no fools, its all about managing their risk.

seafoid

Quote from: shark on February 23, 2017, 11:16:09 PM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on February 23, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 23, 2017, 10:01:59 PM
All Ireland odds

Kerry 11/8                                                      
Dublin 4/1                                                      
Cork 7/1                                                      
Galway 7/1                                                      
Mayo 7/1                                                      
Donegal 8/1                                                      
Kildare 10/1                                                      
Tyrone 10/1                                                      
Armagh 20/1                                                      
Roscommon 20/1                                                      
Derry 25/1                                                      
Offaly 33/1                                                      
Cavan 40/1                                                      
Monaghan 50/1                                                
Sligo 50/1                                                      
Tipperary 50/1                                                      
Laois 66/1                                                      
Westmeath 66/1                                                      
Wexford 66/1                                                      
Longford 80/1                                                      
Clare 100/1                                                      
Limerick 100/1                                                      
Louth 125/1                                                      
Down 250/1                                                      
Leitrim 500/1                                                      
Antrim 750/1                                                      
Fermanagh 750/1                                                      
Waterford 1000/1                                                      
Wicklow 1000/1

Jaysis, Meath must be awful shite if they haven't even been given odds!

Ehhhh, yeah.

What the odds do show of course is the utter lunacy of the provincial system. Westmeath are roughly at a similar level to Roscommon I think it's fair to assume. Westmeath have already beaten Meath but yet are more than 3 times less likely than Ros (who haven't played a game yet) to win the All-Ireland. Obviously neither are going to win the All-Ireland, but it's just something that jumped out at me.
Odds are based on progression out rather than sheer talent

Connacht this year
Ros are 11/4 vs Galway 3/1
Galway are better than Ros but have to play Mayo

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/gaa-sports/gaa-football/connach-senior-football-championship
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Captain Obvious

Games tomorrow.

Leinster U21FC first round
Wicklow v Louth, Baltinglass, 7.30pm

Leinster U21FC quarter-finals
Westmeath v Dublin, Lakepoint Mullingar, 7.30pm
Kildare v Longford, Hawkfield, 7.30pm
Offaly v Wexford, Gracefield, 7.30pm