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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #10245 on: June 16, 2022, 11:43:30 AM »
In the Tory dream world England is the 51st state of the US with all the trapping of corruption and greed. The billionaires in control of the Tory party are no different to the Russian oligarchs, asset stripping anything they come into contact with is their MO, taking the wealth of a nation and pocketing it.

I think the EU for their part see this and are happy to let England f**k itself up, but it has a desire to save Scotland and Ireland from this and in all likelihood will work surreptitiously to enable independence/reunification in the medium to long term.

What the Tories/little Englanders don't quite grasp is the dislike for England/Britain the world over for their imperial past, the best part of every country the world over would love to stick it to Britain and in time the US EU etc might just do that. Very bleak times ahead for genuine working class and blue collar people in Britain as the country descends into a pound shop version of Trumps America. Those at the low end of the spectrum in terms of income including the underclass, and ethnic minority groups and LGBT+ will have it worse again.

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« Reply #10246 on: June 16, 2022, 12:29:18 PM »
Read an article this morning that the Tories won’t go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..


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« Reply #10247 on: June 16, 2022, 12:39:53 PM »
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/eu-trade-officials-have-a-hit-list-of-uk-products-as-trade-war-looms-41749648.html

Shít is going to get real for Boris and Truss if the EU start hitting UK manufacturing...

Lord Bamford won't be long off the phone if he can't get parts for his diggers....
Tariffs imposed on Scottish Whiskey? That's Scotland who voted to remain, on the surface that sounds like a brainless sanction.

I listened to Sammy in a debate this morning on ulster radio, it was mentioned to him that the Wright Bros chairperson? came out strongly in favour of the NI protocol and obviously stated that they have made huge contracts all over the EU. Sammy said they could have made those contracts without the protocol in place by using the trade agreement in place.  Not mentioned was that signing the protocol allowed for the trade agreement to be put into place. Otherwise the Wright bros ability to fulfill contracts would be burdened by paperwork and probable tariffs making them less competitive.

In the event of the worst case happening

The EU in conjunction with the Irish Government have a list drawn up of NI companies which won’t have access to the single market

So the likes of Wrightbus will be subject to tariffs but also ROI companies such as Milk processors which utilise commercial input such as milk produced in NI will be restricted from using them in their products

One quote from a senior Irish civil servant involved in the process

"If the UK forces us to protect our economy to the detriment of the NI economy, we must .
There is no point have two basket-case economies on the island ".


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« Reply #10248 on: June 16, 2022, 12:59:45 PM »
Read an article this morning that the Tories won’t go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..
Who is behind the DUP ? They are  more extremist than the ERG. Why? DUP voters totally ignored.
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« Reply #10249 on: June 16, 2022, 03:50:03 PM »
Read an article this morning that the Tories won’t go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..
The bill isn't supposed to be a solution to brexit issues, it's a red herring bill which will get liquefied, but for now  keeps the  EU conflict ongoing, placates ERG.  As it stands now he DUP are stuck between a rock and a hard place, staking their future on a Johnson promise.

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« Reply #10250 on: June 16, 2022, 04:48:53 PM »
Read an article this morning that the Tories won’t go any further with this new Brexit bill ripping up the protocol unless the DUP nominate a first minister.

If the DUP don't go back into government with the Bill going through Westminster then there's no point to it as it doesn't solve the issues that the Torys think it will.

DUP need to be careful on this one as if they do go back then the bill mightn't pass or get watered down so much that it's useless, but once again Jeffrey has backed the DUP into a corner with no easy way out..
Who is behind the DUP ? They are  more extremist than the ERG. Why? DUP voters totally ignored.

Dont think Sir Jeffrey would want you to pull at that thread.......

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« Reply #10251 on: June 16, 2022, 06:05:56 PM »
In the Tory dream world England is the 51st state of the US with all the trapping of corruption and greed. The billionaires in control of the Tory party are no different to the Russian oligarchs, asset stripping anything they come into contact with is their MO, taking the wealth of a nation and pocketing it.

I think the EU for their part see this and are happy to let England f**k itself up, but it has a desire to save Scotland and Ireland from this and in all likelihood will work surreptitiously to enable independence/reunification in the medium to long term.

What the Tories/little Englanders don't quite grasp is the dislike for England/Britain the world over for their imperial past, the best part of every country the world over would love to stick it to Britain and in time the US EU etc might just do that. Very bleak times ahead for genuine working class and blue collar people in Britain as the country descends into a pound shop version of Trumps America. Those at the low end of the spectrum in terms of income including the underclass, and ethnic minority groups and LGBT+ will have it worse again.

Unfortunately, a lot of the working class and blue collar people voted for the blond buffoon. Talk about turkeys and Christmas.

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« Reply #10252 on: June 16, 2022, 09:47:03 PM »
In the Tory dream world England is the 51st state of the US with all the trapping of corruption and greed. The billionaires in control of the Tory party are no different to the Russian oligarchs, asset stripping anything they come into contact with is their MO, taking the wealth of a nation and pocketing it.

I think the EU for their part see this and are happy to let England f**k itself up, but it has a desire to save Scotland and Ireland from this and in all likelihood will work surreptitiously to enable independence/reunification in the medium to long term.

What the Tories/little Englanders don't quite grasp is the dislike for England/Britain the world over for their imperial past, the best part of every country the world over would love to stick it to Britain and in time the US EU etc might just do that. Very bleak times ahead for genuine working class and blue collar people in Britain as the country descends into a pound shop version of Trumps America. Those at the low end of the spectrum in terms of income including the underclass, and ethnic minority groups and LGBT+ will have it worse again.

Unfortunately, a lot of the working class and blue collar people voted for the blond buffoon. Talk about turkeys and Christmas.

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« Reply #10253 on: June 23, 2022, 03:29:43 PM »
I started this year as one of those lite green on the fence nationalists wanting to hedge by vote on a UI to see where my best interests were served (got castigated for it on another thread) I as of right now am so pissed off with the Tory Government, Boris, Brexit and the whole crock that I would vote yes and take the consequences.

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« Reply #10254 on: June 28, 2022, 08:23:38 AM »
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??

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« Reply #10255 on: June 28, 2022, 09:30:54 AM »
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??
It won't pass through the Lords. It's a negotiating tactic.
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« Reply #10256 on: June 28, 2022, 11:02:28 AM »
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??
It won't pass through the Lords. It's a negotiating tactic.

But won't the commons say thanks for the proof reading, but we'll just do it anyway.
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« Reply #10257 on: June 28, 2022, 12:01:51 PM »
Boris's NI Protocol Bill passes it's second hearing in the HOC, now to the Lords....

Will the DUP now take their seats in Stormont and what will the other parties do now that this bill didn't have their consent??
It won't pass through the Lords. It's a negotiating tactic.

But won't the commons say thanks for the proof reading, but we'll just do it anyway.

Will take more than a year, by which time Johnson won't be around. They really don't want a trade war with EU considering how Brexit has already made Brit economy a basket case.

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« Reply #10258 on: June 28, 2022, 12:07:47 PM »
Does it have to go through a third reading first where it gets scrutinised. All Tories voted for it last night  but sounds like they will lose a few at next stage.

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« Reply #10259 on: June 28, 2022, 12:36:49 PM »
May speaks out strongly against it then abstains? Dont understand this shizzle at all.

Lots of abstainers who if theyd voted couldve meant a difference...