Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
Stunningly missed the point.
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
Quote from: dublin7 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
You really have no idea how a fundraising auction works do you? I suppose Dublin don't need to go out and do this kind of fundraising. They just tap up to a few multinationals like AIG. Sadly not every county has those available.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
It's serious money.
Huge Mayo man is Tim O'Leary?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165338/Euro-2012-England-fan-flashed-Diamanti-penalty-shootout-revealed-millionaire-businessman.html
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
You really have no idea how a fundraising auction works do you? I suppose Dublin don't need to go out and do this kind of fundraising. They just tap up to a few multinationals like AIG. Sadly not every county has those available.
Sadly not every county has access to this type of foreign cash. Dublin's level of funding is a real problem. So is Mayo's, Kerry's and a few others. There are 32 counties.
Quote from: shark on September 26, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
You really have no idea how a fundraising auction works do you? I suppose Dublin don't need to go out and do this kind of fundraising. They just tap up to a few multinationals like AIG. Sadly not every county has those available.
Sadly not every county has access to this type of foreign cash. Dublin's level of funding is a real problem. So is Mayo's, Kerry's and a few others. There are 32 counties.
Im not sure I buy this. If Mayo can find a group of wealthy backers I really dont see why others cant.
Again, I get the feeling its easier to whinge thaen do
Who else is part of this Mayo foundation and have they any background in the Gaa?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
the Gala dinner in New York was very much sold as a Mayoo GAA event ,
Bad show now if he doesn't want to hand over the money now because hes not getting his own way ,
as the saying goes 'Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts'
Sadly an awful lot of Co Boards are vulnerable to this kind of individual as they try to fund and compete at Inter County level.
Now if the GAA was to decide that " football needs a strong Mayo" etc etc
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: shark on September 26, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
You really have no idea how a fundraising auction works do you? I suppose Dublin don't need to go out and do this kind of fundraising. They just tap up to a few multinationals like AIG. Sadly not every county has those available.
Sadly not every county has access to this type of foreign cash. Dublin's level of funding is a real problem. So is Mayo's, Kerry's and a few others. There are 32 counties.
Im not sure I buy this. If Mayo can find a group of wealthy backers I really dont see why others cant.
Again, I get the feeling its easier to whinge thaen do
Well of course it is. And for sure some counties will not be proactive enough or have the required competencies to chase this type of cash.
But there is a finite number of people who will want to bankroll amateur GAA teams. Counties with larger populations, and larger emigrate populations are in a stronger position to make use of this. The money here is eye watering. There is no way every county can raise to the same level.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 26, 2019, 10:54:42 AM
Who else is part of this Mayo foundation and have they any background in the Gaa?
Not sure, but I'd guess a few have some knowledge
In 2014 the fundraising efforts in New York wouldn't have been out of place in an episode of Father Ted. This year the events were run professionally and serious money was raised
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2019, 11:06:55 AM
Sadly an awful lot of Co Boards are vulnerable to this kind of individual as they try to fund and compete at Inter County level.
Now if the GAA was to decide that " football needs a strong Mayo" etc etc
Connacht GAA certainly thinks so.
Quote from: shark on September 26, 2019, 11:07:17 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: shark on September 26, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
You really have no idea how a fundraising auction works do you? I suppose Dublin don't need to go out and do this kind of fundraising. They just tap up to a few multinationals like AIG. Sadly not every county has those available.
Sadly not every county has access to this type of foreign cash. Dublin's level of funding is a real problem. So is Mayo's, Kerry's and a few others. There are 32 counties.
Im not sure I buy this. If Mayo can find a group of wealthy backers I really dont see why others cant.
Again, I get the feeling its easier to whinge thaen do
Well of course it is. And for sure some counties will not be proactive enough or have the required competencies to chase this type of cash.
But there is a finite number of people who will want to bankroll amateur GAA teams. Counties with larger populations, and larger emigrate populations are in a stronger position to make use of this. The money here is eye watering. There is no way every county can raise to the same level.
Due to the ridiculously high levels of emigration and migration from Mayo we have a diaspora unrivaled by most counties and hence could pull this off. There are also Mayo fans in every county in Ireland whose parents or grandparents were from Mayo. I spent 4 days in the high stool in New York and met people from all corners of Ireland and England, not to mention the States. One person told me that 100 flew in from San Francisco alone
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 10:00:54 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on September 26, 2019, 09:55:59 AM
Quote from: mup on September 26, 2019, 09:43:57 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Any chance Dublin's millionaire backers (aka The GAA) will withhold monies?
No. The Dublin county board is well run and well organised and there are no issues around money, unlike the Mayo co board it seems.
Charging €5k for All Ireland tickes with a face value of €950. Classy move. Imagine ripping off your own donors like that. Is it any wonder they are so furious.
You really have no idea how a fundraising auction works do you? I suppose Dublin don't need to go out and do this kind of fundraising. They just tap up to a few multinationals like AIG. Sadly not every county has those available.
Dublin did an All Ireland breakfast preview last year were they charged "x" amount per table, but everyone who attended was guaranteed a ticket.
In my mind this is different. They wanted to raffle/auction the tickets to raise funds, so Mayo county board rips them off selling them the tickets and then expects the proceeds from the raffle/auction as well!!! To me that's taking the mick, but maybe things are different down the country.
I have much more of a problem with these shadowy unelected groups/individuals providing off the books funding than any official GAA funding.
These are serious sums, no matter what the county is.
Luckily money hasn't anything to do with success and it's the quality of the volunteers that matters.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Easy. They just need to do what Mayo has done.
Mayo fundraisers seek out people with Mayo connections who are ready to support GAA within the county. These are mainly emigrants from the county or their descendants and there are I'm afraid thousands of them out there.
Mayo depends on volunteer organisers to come up with fundraising initiatives and all counties with high emigration rates can do they same if they are prepared to put in the grunt work to do so.
I can't comment on what Sligo or Leitrim are doing in this regard as I don't know but they certainly have emigratioin issues same as Mayo.
On a side note, any money Mayo gets is hard earned and has to be looked for. Handouts from HQ or the Irish Sports Council don't go very far.
Yes indeed.
Those Longford and Leitrim volunteers need to up their game ::)
Quote from: Rossfan on September 26, 2019, 01:13:24 PM
Yes indeed.
Those Longford and Leitrim volunteers need to up their game ::)
In this instance, yes. There are wealthy individuals in both counties and wealthy emigrants. Find them, massage them, tap them.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
the Gala dinner in New York was very much sold as a Mayoo GAA event ,
Bad show now if he doesn't want to hand over the money now because hes not getting his own way ,
as the saying goes 'Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts'
Are you not confusing two things? New York cash was banked and spent. This guy promised additional bricks and mortar funding that Mayo never bothered following up on but asked for the money for current spending.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
the Gala dinner in New York was very much sold as a Mayoo GAA event ,
Bad show now if he doesn't want to hand over the money now because hes not getting his own way ,
as the saying goes 'Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts'
Are you not confusing two things? New York cash was banked and spent. This guy promised additional bricks and mortar funding that Mayo never bothered following up on but asked for the money for current spending.
You don't know what you're talking about. Almost all of what you've said is incorrect - read the reports more carefully.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 26, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Easy. They just need to do what Mayo has done.
Mayo fundraisers seek out people with Mayo connections who are ready to support GAA within the county. These are mainly emigrants from the county or their descendants and there are I'm afraid thousands of them out there.
Mayo depends on volunteer organisers to come up with fundraising initiatives and all counties with high emigration rates can do they same if they are prepared to put in the grunt work to do so.
I can't comment on what Sligo or Leitrim are doing in this regard as I don't know but they certainly have emigratioin issues same as Mayo.
On a side note, any money Mayo gets is hard earned and has to be looked for. Handouts from HQ or the Irish Sports Council don't go very far.
Fair enough points made.
Was there not a handout to fix McHale park though?
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 26, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Easy. They just need to do what Mayo has done.
Mayo fundraisers seek out people with Mayo connections who are ready to support GAA within the county. These are mainly emigrants from the county or their descendants and there are I'm afraid thousands of them out there.
Mayo depends on volunteer organisers to come up with fundraising initiatives and all counties with high emigration rates can do they same if they are prepared to put in the grunt work to do so.
I can't comment on what Sligo or Leitrim are doing in this regard as I don't know but they certainly have emigratioin issues same as Mayo.
On a side note, any money Mayo gets is hard earned and has to be looked for. Handouts from HQ or the Irish Sports Council don't go very far.
Fair enough points made.
Was there not a handout to fix McHale park though?
No.
The loan repayment schedule was restructured. The period of payments was extended but the amount payable remains the same.
This is common enough practice in the commercial world and banks and other lending institutions often do the same ,
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
the Gala dinner in New York was very much sold as a Mayoo GAA event ,
Bad show now if he doesn't want to hand over the money now because hes not getting his own way ,
as the saying goes 'Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts'
Are you not confusing two things? New York cash was banked and spent. This guy promised additional bricks and mortar funding that Mayo never bothered following up on but asked for the money for current spending.
You don't know what you're talking about. Almost all of what you've said is incorrect - read the reports more carefully.
I did.
The €250k in question is nothing to do with the NY fundraiser.
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 03:27:25 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on September 26, 2019, 01:12:18 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on September 26, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Very interesting. "Governance issues"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-withholds-250000-from-mayo-county-board-38536084.html
I know posters will come back with " But Dublin this and Dublin that" so work away.
250K donation.
60K training trips
370,000 USD New York Gala Dinners.
Plus plenty plenty more.
How can the likes of Sligo and Leitrim compete with is huge advantage to Mayo.
Easy. They just need to do what Mayo has done.
Mayo fundraisers seek out people with Mayo connections who are ready to support GAA within the county. These are mainly emigrants from the county or their descendants and there are I'm afraid thousands of them out there.
Mayo depends on volunteer organisers to come up with fundraising initiatives and all counties with high emigration rates can do they same if they are prepared to put in the grunt work to do so.
I can't comment on what Sligo or Leitrim are doing in this regard as I don't know but they certainly have emigratioin issues same as Mayo.
On a side note, any money Mayo gets is hard earned and has to be looked for. Handouts from HQ or the Irish Sports Council don't go very far.
Fair enough points made.
Was there not a handout to fix McHale park though?
No, Croke Park took over the loan from Ulster Bank - there was no handout. The repayments are about €33k a month, something Dublin have never had to deal with.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
the Gala dinner in New York was very much sold as a Mayoo GAA event ,
Bad show now if he doesn't want to hand over the money now because hes not getting his own way ,
as the saying goes 'Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts'
Are you not confusing two things? New York cash was banked and spent. This guy promised additional bricks and mortar funding that Mayo never bothered following up on but asked for the money for current spending.
You don't know what you're talking about. Almost all of what you've said is incorrect - read the reports more carefully.
I did.
The €250k in question is nothing to do with the NY fundraiser.
the question remains who do we want running Mayo football. a county board elected by the club or a guy who we never heard of till yesterday who had bucket loads of cash. whioo was last seen exposing himself because he wanted england to win a soccer match ,
load of English and indeed LOI clucgs have come across similar characters before and it never Ends well
Quote from: Tubberman on September 26, 2019, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 02:36:36 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 26, 2019, 10:20:32 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 26, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
if the monies were raised in the name of mayo Gaa . then he should hand it over with out delay . these 3rds party organizations are unelected and unaccountable cannot the policies of the GAA in a county just because they are now in possession of monies raised for Mayo gaa.
if he is making personal donations. that is different he can do as he like and out as many conditions on it as he likes .
They weren't.
He offered x for a training facility. A couple of years later no progress, but as I understand it they asked for the money anyway, he said no.
Hopefully this helps the message that some county boards couldn't run a bath and all the funding in the world wont change that
the Gala dinner in New York was very much sold as a Mayoo GAA event ,
Bad show now if he doesn't want to hand over the money now because hes not getting his own way ,
as the saying goes 'Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts'
Are you not confusing two things? New York cash was banked and spent. This guy promised additional bricks and mortar funding that Mayo never bothered following up on but asked for the money for current spending.
You don't know what you're talking about. Almost all of what you've said is incorrect - read the reports more carefully.
The Gala Event raised €160k after costs, all of which was spent. The €250k withheld is this guys personal contribution. Is that not accurate? He made a separate contribution of €50k for the running of the event, which was spent.
The amounts being spent on County teams are ridiculous, not sure how the GAA can reverse this though
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 26, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
The amounts being spent on County teams are ridiculous, not sure how the GAA can reverse this though
90% of them are wasting their money too as they never win Anything .
Roscommon received or are receiving significant contribution from one exile in the states and he seems happy to do it with little fanfare so there are people out there with lots of money who donate and every county should be after them .
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 26, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
The amounts being spent on County teams are ridiculous, not sure how the GAA can reverse this though
Put a budget on it?
I do think every county board should have a full time financial officer appointed by HQ, would make it a lot easier to police.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 26, 2019, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 26, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
The amounts being spent on County teams are ridiculous, not sure how the GAA can reverse this though
Put a budget on it?
I do think every county board should have a full time financial officer appointed by HQ, would make it a lot easier to police.
Centralised budgets run direct from Croke Park.
Hard to hide big payments on the side inside a comparatively limited county board budget (once the inter-county figures are removed).
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on September 26, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on September 26, 2019, 07:19:34 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 26, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
The amounts being spent on County teams are ridiculous, not sure how the GAA can reverse this though
Put a budget on it?
I do think every county board should have a full time financial officer appointed by HQ, would make it a lot easier to police.
Centralised budgets run direct from Croke Park.
Hard to hide big payments on the side inside a comparatively limited county board budget (once the inter-county figures are removed).
so who do sponsors of individual counties pay Croke park or the county board ?
Quote from: Gmac on September 26, 2019, 07:59:13 PM
so who do sponsors of individual counties pay Croke park or the county board ?
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Croke. All centralised.
Central pot which is then divided equally among the counties.
Sounds like this Timothy O'Leary with his bags of money, turned on, tuned in, then dropped out.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 26, 2019, 04:38:59 PM
The amounts being spent on County teams are ridiculous, not sure how the GAA can reverse this though
It's a race to hang onto Dublin's coat tails, never going to happen !
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
We seen similar in Kildare a few years ago with the guy who put up the apartment for Seanie - he wanted a vote on the county management committee. Are these people just driven by ego or is it inept fundamentals at the county board level?
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
I would agree with this. He wanted too see plans for the centre of excellence to be built (which isn't unreasonable as he is paying for majority of it) and the county board seem to just telling him, ah sure it's grand don't worry about it. Seems reasonable enough to withhold funding based on this.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
Rosnarun, play the ball not the man. The Supporters Foundation was set-up as a 501c3 Corporation to aid with meeting compliance obligations related to fundraising in the states. One of those obligations is that Trustees, like Mr. O'Leary, have a duty of care to ensure that the charities they support exhibit good governance rooted in the principles of transparency and accountability.
Quote from: dublin7 on September 27, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
I would agree with this. He wanted too see plans for the centre of excellence to be built (which isn't unreasonable as he is paying for majority of it) and the county board seem to just telling him, ah sure it's grand don't worry about it. Seems reasonable enough to withhold funding based on this.
+1, He seems like a genuine supporter IMO, btw to put it mildly the Mayo county board does not have too many Mensa applicants.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
They asked him for a contribution to their project. He agreed. They didn't move on with the project but want the money anyway. He said no.
The idea he is imposing is just wrong.
There is always a toadie who will back the organisation even when they are wrong
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
They asked him for a contribution to their project. He agreed. They didn't move on with the project but want the money anyway. He said no.
The idea he is imposing is just wrong.
There is always a toadie who will back the organisation even when they are wrong
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
Rosnarun, play the ball not the man. The Supporters Foundation was set-up as a 501c3 Corporation to aid with meeting compliance obligations related to fundraising in the states. One of those obligations is that Trustees, like Mr. O'Leary, have a duty of care to ensure that the charities they support exhibit good governance rooted in the principles of transparency and accountability.
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
They asked him for a contribution to their project. He agreed. They didn't move on with the project but want the money anyway. He said no.
The idea he is imposing is just wrong.
There is always a toadie who will back the organisation even when they are wrong
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
Rosnarun, play the ball not the man. The Supporters Foundation was set-up as a 501c3 Corporation to aid with meeting compliance obligations related to fundraising in the states. One of those obligations is that Trustees, like Mr. O'Leary, have a duty of care to ensure that the charities they support exhibit good governance rooted in the principles of transparency and accountability.
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
Your application for Mensa has not been successful this time.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on September 27, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
They asked him for a contribution to their project. He agreed. They didn't move on with the project but want the money anyway. He said no.
The idea he is imposing is just wrong.
There is always a toadie who will back the organisation even when they are wrong
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 10:46:07 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on September 26, 2019, 11:38:37 PM
We only know one side of the story at the minute but from Tim O'Leary's POV, he wants assurances that the remainder of the money will be invested in the academy squads or the Lough Lannagh training facility. He doesn't want it spent on some day to day costs, i.e. senior team expenses or the MacHale Park loan.
Why can't these assurances be provided? It would be interesting to hear what issues the county board has?
this reminds me a bit of the Cat scan and dialysis machines charities buy for hospitals and then there is not the Staff to run them and they are left idle for years .
like it or not the County board are in charge of the GAA in Mayo and have to take an overall view of finances and not just vanity Projects instigated by people who seem willing clear off at he first opportunity when they Don't get their own way.
Rosnarun, play the ball not the man. The Supporters Foundation was set-up as a 501c3 Corporation to aid with meeting compliance obligations related to fundraising in the states. One of those obligations is that Trustees, like Mr. O'Leary, have a duty of care to ensure that the charities they support exhibit good governance rooted in the principles of transparency and accountability.
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
Oh dear. Thats awful shite.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
Actually, joined a year ago last September so you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts...…..
You say you're not bashing Mr. O'Leary but then you dismiss him out of hand with as a
tourist with no credentials other than money. What do you base this on? What particular knowledge do you have of him other than what you read in the Daily Ranger?
Maybe if you did your homework you would know that he has supported Burrishoole for a number of years.
Maybe if you did your homework you would understand that he is not trying to tell the County Board how to do their job but he is trying to do the job required of him as the Trustee of a charitable foundation, a foundation whose by-laws, make plain that the Foundation is raising funds not just for the Senior Footballers but for the Gaelic Games, as a whole, in the county and by Gaelic Games that includes the Hurling Clubs which our County Board tried to stiff last year when the JP McManus bequest was received.
So, before you say anything in reply, keep the counsel of Abraham Lincoln and remember that
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt."
Agree with Rosnarun. A sponsor does not get the right to bring county GAA into disrepute. Maybe because he works in finance thinks he can act like big shareholder or activist investor. This is a troubling development.
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
last year when the JP McManus bequest was received.
Its no wonder the County Treasurer cant produce a Balance sheet with the amount of money coming in hand over fist.
Why do Mayo need a COE when there's already one beside Ballyhaunis?
Will it be the only county in Ireland with two COEs?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 28, 2019, 09:08:53 AM
Why do Mayo need a COE when there's already one beside Ballyhaunis?
Will it be the only county in Ireland with two COEs?
God only knows? In theory the one is Bekan is for all of Conncht! And in fairness in has to be in some county.
Always though Cake Curran had the right idea where he thought Westmeath and Roscommon should pool their resources and have a centre on excellence in Athlone.
Cake wanted a new joint Stadium !!
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2019, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on September 28, 2019, 09:08:53 AM
Why do Mayo need a COE when there's already one beside Ballyhaunis?
Will it be the only county in Ireland with two COEs?
God only knows? In theory the one is Bekan is for all of Conncht! And in fairness in has to be in some county.
Always though Cake Curran had the right idea where he thought Westmeath and Roscommon should pool their resources and have a centre on excellence in Athlone.
Westmeath a duel county. Their hurlers would be as quick going to Abbotstown as Athlone.
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
last year when the JP McManus bequest was received.
Its no wonder the County Treasurer cant produce a Balance sheet with the amount of money coming in hand over fist.
Not really,JP McManus' gave a €100,000 donation to each county.
Enclosed in each envelope was an the accompanying note outlining how the money is for the development of GAA across the country and to be divided equally among clubs.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2019, 09:56:11 AM
Cake wanted a new joint Stadium !!
Yeah, that was part of the overall package. Would have been a money earner as well as all those Intercounty and Club teams that would have been willing to use it over the summer.
Twas a total non starter. Just Cake writing for an Athlone paper.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2019, 05:11:59 PM
Twas a total non starter. Just Cake writing for an Athlone paper.
Of course it was a non-starter. But it was a purely logical solution, so it'd be never agreed to.
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 28, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
last year when the JP McManus bequest was received.
Its no wonder the County Treasurer cant produce a Balance sheet with the amount of money coming in hand over fist.
Not really,JP McManus' gave a €100,000 donation to each county.
Enclosed in each envelope was an the accompanying note outlining how the money is for the development of GAA across the country and to be divided equally among clubs.
Was O'Leary one of the 'several influential backers' who wanted rid of Rochford?.
Why was he on the team bus and what did he get turfed off for?
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 28, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
last year when the JP McManus bequest was received.
Its no wonder the County Treasurer cant produce a Balance sheet with the amount of money coming in hand over fist.
Not really,JP McManus’ gave a €100,000 donation to each county.
Enclosed in each envelope was an the accompanying note outlining how the money is for the development of GAA across the country and to be divided equally among clubs.
the big difference is he handed over the money with a polite Request . he did not try and try to force the county boards hand and hold off on the Gift until every one agreed with him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 28, 2019, 05:54:34 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2019, 05:11:59 PM
Twas a total non starter. Just Cake writing for an Athlone paper.
Of course it was a non-starter. But it was a purely logical solution, so it'd be never agreed to.
A logical solution to a non existent problem as Ros have our own Stadium.
Quote from: rosnarun on September 30, 2019, 12:11:28 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on September 28, 2019, 10:56:20 AM
Quote from: heffo on September 27, 2019, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: EBX on September 27, 2019, 08:31:18 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on September 27, 2019, 02:43:59 PM
I love when a new board member joins for a specific purpose . I am not attacking o leary at all I know nothing about the man other the article posted here earlier from the daily mail.
my uneasiness come's from the fear he is a tourist with no credentials other than money and to Quote Shania twain ' that don't impress me much'
Much as people seem to distrust the county board they are Elected by the counties club are are answerable to those clubs . people like o leary are answerable to no one .
While he money is welcome he should have no say in the running of Mayo GAA other than advisory and stop trying to shame the CB
last year when the JP McManus bequest was received.
Its no wonder the County Treasurer cant produce a Balance sheet with the amount of money coming in hand over fist.
Not really,JP McManus' gave a €100,000 donation to each county.
Enclosed in each envelope was an the accompanying note outlining how the money is for the development of GAA across the country and to be divided equally among clubs.
the big difference is he handed over the money with a polite Request . he did not try and try to force the county boards hand and hold off on the Gift until every one agreed with him.
You make it sound like the CoE was his idea
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Then take money from donors and hire some people.
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Then take money from donors and hire some people.
Unfortunately money from donors is not a fixed income that can be budgeted to pay the annual salary or salaries for full time administrators let alone a CEO position. The only fixed income outside of gate receipts for a county like Mayo is sponsorship and most of this money is sucked up by day to day stuff like insurance, debt repayments, team expenses and coaching. Team expenses are the most frustrating since stuff like travel expenses and backroom teams to stay relevant or just compete are spiraling out of control but sponsorship and gate receipts depend on the level of success of a county team so it is a catch 22 situation!!
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
When was the last time Kerry were beatin in Munster or someone won it who wasn't Cork or Kerry?
No seems to care about that. Why are peolle so angry at dublin getting their house in order and at the same time as they have their greatest manager and some players who will be considered all greats?
Typical Irish ignorance in that there are numerous counties underachieving around the country but people are instead obsessing on trying to weaken dublin as they feel they are performing too well
Munster is hurling country apart from Kerry.
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Then take money from donors and hire some people.
Unfortunately money from donors is not a fixed income that can be budgeted to pay the annual salary or salaries for full time administrators let alone a CEO position. The only fixed income outside of gate receipts for a county like Mayo is sponsorship and most of this money is sucked up by day to day stuff like insurance, debt repayments, team expenses and coaching. Team expenses are the most frustrating since stuff like travel expenses and backroom teams to stay relevant or just compete are spiraling out of control but sponsorship and gate receipts depend on the level of success of a county team so it is a catch 22 situation!!
And they are out of control because you don't have the people in place to control it... Structures first, sun holidays second.
https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-statement-re-galway-gaa-finances/
Fair play to Galway and the FAI taking the heat off our administration problems.
Fair play to Supermacs for asking the Galway CB for a breakdown of how their sponsorship was spent in the last few years. It's not at all surprising given the shambolic(I'd use another term but have to be careful) behaviour of the county board.
Pricey and a few others are so obsessed with GAA funding/spending they should go investigate that. Without going into specifics it sounds alot more disgraceful than anything about Dublin. That should be the real target for their anger/bitterness instead of crying over dublin actually doing the right things
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Then take money from donors and hire some people.
Unfortunately money from donors is not a fixed income that can be budgeted to pay the annual salary or salaries for full time administrators let alone a CEO position. The only fixed income outside of gate receipts for a county like Mayo is sponsorship and most of this money is sucked up by day to day stuff like insurance, debt repayments, team expenses and coaching. Team expenses are the most frustrating since stuff like travel expenses and backroom teams to stay relevant or just compete are spiraling out of control but sponsorship and gate receipts depend on the level of success of a county team so it is a catch 22 situation!!
And they are out of control because you don't have the people in place to control it... Structures first, sun holidays second.
Sun holidays are fundraised each year seperately through an online lotto for mayo supporters and wouldn't be high up the list of priorities or a significant drain on resources.The structures in place in terms of fundraising and coaching development like the Mayo way are probably the best volunteers can manage in fairness. Travel expenses for players, s&c, underage coaching, stadium debt, insurance costs, running costs of the stadium, renting training pitches to suit players based in the east of the country would all be a much bigger drain on resources, this has increased all just to try and compete in division one and in the super 8's. Luckily we have local coaching teams to reduce the hit at all levels but these costs are significant that all the top counties have to endure except maybe the travel expenses. Again the resources are not there while trying to just stay competitive. If Mayo are not competitive then income reduces significantly through lack of season ticket sales and less sponsorship etc..!!
Realistically Mayo would need significant increase of central funding from the gaa to put in place a paid CEO at the outset but the gaa have decided to tie up these funds elsewhere and Mayo don't have the corporate pull to attract the sponsorship Dublin or Kerry or Cork do and the only way around this is to employ and experienced CEO they cannot afford to maximise the sponsorship they could attract!! Maybe in 10 or 15 years when the stadium debt is reduced a fulltime CEO could be put in place but there might not be much to manage by then so it is a catch 22 situation for Mayo and many other counties I guess.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Then take money from donors and hire some people.
Unfortunately money from donors is not a fixed income that can be budgeted to pay the annual salary or salaries for full time administrators let alone a CEO position. The only fixed income outside of gate receipts for a county like Mayo is sponsorship and most of this money is sucked up by day to day stuff like insurance, debt repayments, team expenses and coaching. Team expenses are the most frustrating since stuff like travel expenses and backroom teams to stay relevant or just compete are spiraling out of control but sponsorship and gate receipts depend on the level of success of a county team so it is a catch 22 situation!!
And they are out of control because you don't have the people in place to control it... Structures first, sun holidays second.
Talk about ignorance! Ya, maybe it's the sun holidays.
Or..... maybe it might have something to do with the fact that the Mayo county board have to pay 33 grand every month to pay for the debt on our county ground, something the Dubs will never have to worry about as neutral Croke Park is handed over to them.
Also, unlike the dubs, a large section of our players and backroom team have to travel the breadth of the country a couple of times a week which could have something to do with the large expenses bill.
Or maybe it's just that Dublin have better people in place ::)
Quote from: Dubhaltach on October 01, 2019, 11:31:33 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Crete Boom on October 01, 2019, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 01, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:24:38 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 09:18:58 AM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
You see it across the country where individuals put money into their county. Declan Kelly Tipperary, JP McManus Limerick, Bertie Ahern and the €5m to Dublin.
As i said Double standards, At least other counties can put it to use, not a hope in Mayo. Dont even have the competence to accept free financial gifts.
I suppose it's difficult when you have actual volunteers trying to run the county board. There are several full time administrators in your own county for example.
Then take money from donors and hire some people.
Unfortunately money from donors is not a fixed income that can be budgeted to pay the annual salary or salaries for full time administrators let alone a CEO position. The only fixed income outside of gate receipts for a county like Mayo is sponsorship and most of this money is sucked up by day to day stuff like insurance, debt repayments, team expenses and coaching. Team expenses are the most frustrating since stuff like travel expenses and backroom teams to stay relevant or just compete are spiraling out of control but sponsorship and gate receipts depend on the level of success of a county team so it is a catch 22 situation!!
And they are out of control because you don't have the people in place to control it... Structures first, sun holidays second.
Talk about ignorance! Ya, maybe it's the sun holidays.
Or..... maybe it might have something to do with the fact that the Mayo county board have to pay 33 grand every month to pay for the debt on our county ground, something the Dubs will never have to worry about as neutral Croke Park is handed over to them.
Also, unlike the dubs, a large section of our players and backroom team have to travel the breadth of the country a couple of times a week which could have something to do with the large expenses bill.
Or maybe it's just that Dublin have better people in place ::)
Mayo volunteers are only worth a quarter of the Dubs lads
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said -
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said - It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
f you read what I said, I did not imply ' a little incompetence ' I stated plainly ' incredible incompetence '.
It would take an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence to fail to win with this team.
That is my opinion , you are of course correct , nobody should have the temerity to express an opinion that is different to yours , which you have so eloquently expressed. ( not ) .
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 02, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said - It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
f you read what I said, I did not imply ' a little incompetence ' I stated plainly ' incredible incompetence '.
It would take an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence to fail to win with this team.
That is my opinion , you are of course correct , nobody should have the temerity to express an opinion the is different to yours , which you have so eloquently expressed. ( not ) .
If it's so easy to manage teams then why don't you take on a managerial job? or based on your post are managers irrelevant and county boards should just put 15 players on a pitch and let them play away on their own?
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 02, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said - It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
f you read what I said, I did not imply ' a little incompetence ' I stated plainly ' incredible incompetence '.
It would take an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence to fail to win with this team.
That is my opinion , you are of course correct , nobody should have the temerity to express an opinion the is different to yours , which you have so eloquently expressed. ( not ) .
I've no issue with someone holding a different opinion than myself. In fact it's your reaction that suggests you have the problem in that regard. To me, the above statement is so wrong it's difficult to believe. Dublin have been managed brilliantly by Jim Gavin and his team. Prepared probably as perfectly as any team could be. Devised a tactical approach after getting caught out by ultra defensive tactics which has effectively ended those tactics. Yet they easily could have lost the finals in 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2019 - opponents missing chances or getting players sent off possibly saving Dublin on those occasions (maybe not 2011 but Kerry were 4 up with 10 minutes left in that one). Perhaps they should have lost a couple of those. Surely Jim Gavin and co have added something??? Or maybe they've bordered on "an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence" as they're almost failed to win with this team a few times.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 03, 2019, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 02, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said - It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
f you read what I said, I did not imply ' a little incompetence ' I stated plainly ' incredible incompetence '.
It would take an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence to fail to win with this team.
That is my opinion , you are of course correct , nobody should have the temerity to express an opinion the is different to yours , which you have so eloquently expressed. ( not ) .
I've no issue with someone holding a different opinion than myself. In fact it's your reaction that suggests you have the problem in that regard. To me, the above statement is so wrong it's difficult to believe. Dublin have been managed brilliantly by Jim Gavin and his team. Prepared probably as perfectly as any team could be. Devised a tactical approach after getting caught out by ultra defensive tactics which has effectively ended those tactics. Yet they easily could have lost the finals in 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2019 - opponents missing chances or getting players sent off possibly saving Dublin on those occasions (maybe not 2011 but Kerry were 4 up with 10 minutes left in that one). Perhaps they should have lost a couple of those. Surely Jim Gavin and co have added something??? Or maybe they've bordered on "an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence" as they're almost failed to win with this team a few times.
But they won them. That's all that matters. The 'epic losses' won't be written in the roll of honour. And the Mayo choke brigade have a field day too.
Mayo being badly run turns into an anti Dub thread
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 03, 2019, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 03, 2019, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 02, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said - It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
f you read what I said, I did not imply ' a little incompetence ' I stated plainly ' incredible incompetence '.
It would take an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence to fail to win with this team.
That is my opinion , you are of course correct , nobody should have the temerity to express an opinion the is different to yours , which you have so eloquently expressed. ( not ) .
I've no issue with someone holding a different opinion than myself. In fact it's your reaction that suggests you have the problem in that regard. To me, the above statement is so wrong it's difficult to believe. Dublin have been managed brilliantly by Jim Gavin and his team. Prepared probably as perfectly as any team could be. Devised a tactical approach after getting caught out by ultra defensive tactics which has effectively ended those tactics. Yet they easily could have lost the finals in 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2019 - opponents missing chances or getting players sent off possibly saving Dublin on those occasions (maybe not 2011 but Kerry were 4 up with 10 minutes left in that one). Perhaps they should have lost a couple of those. Surely Jim Gavin and co have added something??? Or maybe they've bordered on "an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence" as they're almost failed to win with this team a few times.
But they won them. That's all that matters. The 'epic losses' won't be written in the roll of honour. And the Mayo choke brigade have a field day too.
Are you deliberately missing the point or do you also think "It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year..." ?
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 04, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 03, 2019, 09:55:25 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 03, 2019, 09:43:39 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 02, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 02, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 05:31:39 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 01, 2019, 05:08:06 PM
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 01, 2019, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 01, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
A bit of a Roman Abramovich scenario going on here, lots of double standard posters.
Its not pleasant having your laundry aired in public is it... especially for everyones favourite county, the arent we great brigade.
It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
Are you mad or did you not read what you typed? Did you see the All Ireland final(s)? Did you see the recent finals where they just about scraped past Mayo, once after a replay, after epic games?
Ridiculous statements like this do nothing for anyone.
Yes, you are of course correct, they only scraped a win in 14 of the last 15 Leinster Finals and only scraped wins in 7 of the last 9 All Ireland's .
They only beat Kerry by 6 points this year. A pity that they couldn't get a man sent off in the first half and the result might have been a bit closer.
Your right, I'm probably mad.
Don't talk crap about Leinster titles when you said - It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year, given the advantages that they currently enjoy.
That statement implies that even if they're a little incompetent they'll win the All Ireland every year. Absolute bullshit and up there with the biggest bullshit I've ever read on here and that's a high bar.
f you read what I said, I did not imply ' a little incompetence ' I stated plainly ' incredible incompetence '.
It would take an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence to fail to win with this team.
That is my opinion , you are of course correct , nobody should have the temerity to express an opinion the is different to yours , which you have so eloquently expressed. ( not ) .
I've no issue with someone holding a different opinion than myself. In fact it's your reaction that suggests you have the problem in that regard. To me, the above statement is so wrong it's difficult to believe. Dublin have been managed brilliantly by Jim Gavin and his team. Prepared probably as perfectly as any team could be. Devised a tactical approach after getting caught out by ultra defensive tactics which has effectively ended those tactics. Yet they easily could have lost the finals in 2011, 2013, 2016, 2017 and 2019 - opponents missing chances or getting players sent off possibly saving Dublin on those occasions (maybe not 2011 but Kerry were 4 up with 10 minutes left in that one). Perhaps they should have lost a couple of those. Surely Jim Gavin and co have added something??? Or maybe they've bordered on "an almost unfathomable degree of managerial incompetence" as they're almost failed to win with this team a few times.
But they won them. That's all that matters. The 'epic losses' won't be written in the roll of honour. And the Mayo choke brigade have a field day too.
Are you deliberately missing the point or do you also think "It would take incredible incompetence on the part of Dublin,not to win the All Ireland every year..." ?
It's quite an achievement to to turn Mayo issues into yet another thread bashing dublin and/or their achievements. Why does it always have to be somehow making it all about dublin or their fault
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
Fair play to Supermacs for asking the Galway CB for a breakdown of how their sponsorship was spent in the last few years. It's not at all surprising given the shambolic(I'd use another term but have to be careful) behaviour of the county board.
Pricey and a few others are so obsessed with GAA funding/spending they should go investigate that. Without going into specifics it sounds alot more disgraceful than anything about Dublin. That should be the real target for their anger/bitterness instead of crying over dublin actually doing the right things
this is more of it .
what Did super macs get for their money
exactly what they paid for , Huge exposure to sell their Dry burgers, pineapple Topped pizza's and Taco fries to drunks at 2 in the morning
Did they expect the Galway county board to OK decisions with them ?
How come SuperMaC'S get such an easy ride sponsoring sport any way when ever McDonald do it there is always an uproar about Obesity, Its like people think Fried chicken is Fat free it its made by an Irish company .
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
Fair play to Supermacs for asking the Galway CB for a breakdown of how their sponsorship was spent in the last few years. It's not at all surprising given the shambolic(I'd use another term but have to be careful) behaviour of the county board.
Pricey and a few others are so obsessed with GAA funding/spending they should go investigate that. Without going into specifics it sounds alot more disgraceful than anything about Dublin. That should be the real target for their anger/bitterness instead of crying over dublin actually doing the right things
this is more of it .
what Did super macs get for their money
exactly what they paid for , Huge exposure to sell their Dry burgers, pineapple Topped pizza's and Taco fries to drunks at 2 in the morning
Did they expect the Galway county board to OK decisions with them ?
How come SuperMaC'S get such an easy ride sponsoring sport any way when ever McDonald do it there is always an uproar about Obesity, Its like people think Fried chicken is Fat free it its made by an Irish company .
You are being very naive if you think sponsors hand over cash and thats that.
Was Timmy really on the Mayo team bus??
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 04, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
Fair play to Supermacs for asking the Galway CB for a breakdown of how their sponsorship was spent in the last few years. It's not at all surprising given the shambolic(I'd use another term but have to be careful) behaviour of the county board.
Pricey and a few others are so obsessed with GAA funding/spending they should go investigate that. Without going into specifics it sounds alot more disgraceful than anything about Dublin. That should be the real target for their anger/bitterness instead of crying over dublin actually doing the right things
this is more of it .
what Did super macs get for their money
exactly what they paid for , Huge exposure to sell their Dry burgers, pineapple Topped pizza's and Taco fries to drunks at 2 in the morning
Did they expect the Galway county board to OK decisions with them ?
How come SuperMaC'S get such an easy ride sponsoring sport any way when ever McDonald do it there is always an uproar about Obesity, Its like people think Fried chicken is Fat free it its made by an Irish company .
You are being very naive if you think sponsors hand over cash and thats that.
they of course have the right to decide where their branding is used but nayone who takes advise on how to run GAA club/county from their sponsors ither it be the local chipper or major insurance group is looking for trouble
deom the maY
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
Mayo being badly run turns into an anti Dub thread
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-statement-re-galway-gaa-finances/
Fair play to Galway and the FAI taking the heat off our administration problems.
WITHOUT taking from my original point but it's had to have much Time for these boys
from the mayo news
However, Mike Connelly denied this claim when he spoke to The Mayo News after last week's meeting. "Absolutely not, absolutely not" he said, adding that the €5,000 referred to covered the cost of souvenir 'half and half' GAA jerseys for the New York trip that Mr O'Leary had received, as well as the All-Ireland tickets.how dare anyone suggest they overcharged for tickets wasn't there Half emerald , half ruby jersey (I presume as it seems to have cost
€4,050) thrown in too
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 03:27:43 PM
deom the maYQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
Mayo being badly run turns into an anti Dub thread
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-statement-re-galway-gaa-finances/
Fair play to Galway and the FAI taking the heat off our administration problems.
WITHOUT taking from my original point but it's had to have much Time for these boys
from the mayo news
However, Mike Connelly denied this claim when he spoke to The Mayo News after last week's meeting. "Absolutely not, absolutely not" he said, adding that the €5,000 referred to covered the cost of souvenir 'half and half' GAA jerseys for the New York trip that Mr O'Leary had received, as well as the All-Ireland tickets.
how dare anyone suggest they overcharged for tickets wasn't there Half emerald , half ruby jersey (I presume as it seems to have cost €4,050) thrown in too
Has anyone got a pic of those jersies? For that price they must have actual emeralds and rubies on them. No wonder the Mayo CB are so upset. I'm glad that clears up where the €5k went🤑🤑
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 04, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
Fair play to Supermacs for asking the Galway CB for a breakdown of how their sponsorship was spent in the last few years. It's not at all surprising given the shambolic(I'd use another term but have to be careful) behaviour of the county board.
Pricey and a few others are so obsessed with GAA funding/spending they should go investigate that. Without going into specifics it sounds alot more disgraceful than anything about Dublin. That should be the real target for their anger/bitterness instead of crying over dublin actually doing the right things
this is more of it .
what Did super macs get for their money
exactly what they paid for , Huge exposure to sell their Dry burgers, pineapple Topped pizza's and Taco fries to drunks at 2 in the morning
Did they expect the Galway county board to OK decisions with them ?
How come SuperMaC'S get such an easy ride sponsoring sport any way when ever McDonald do it there is always an uproar about Obesity, Its like people think Fried chicken is Fat free it its made by an Irish company .
You are being very naive if you think sponsors hand over cash and thats that.
they of course have the right to decide where their branding is used but nayone who takes advise on how to run GAA club/county from their sponsors ither it be the local chipper or major insurance group is looking for trouble
I think the best sponsrhip deals have more of a partnership than just handing over money for a logo on shirts, but a sponsor gets a say, like it or not.
Now if they hadn't done their homework on the backroom quality of the team in question it gets messy, and I think it shouldn't be being played out in the papers, but if you think amateur hour boards can't learn from successful business men or multinational behemoths you are on the windup.
Local example. Galway United were sponsored by a local property group. Started out as cash for logo. A few years later they are actively involved in the club and building them a training ground. Use the sponsors strengths and contacts. If a second tier LoI club can get 6 figures a year and a facility for free, what could the county board do if arsed?
Not thinking of any examples in particular, but if there is potential fraud going on, I think a sponsor is entitled to know if their loot is going somewhere illegal.
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 03:27:43 PM
deom the maYQuote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
Mayo being badly run turns into an anti Dub thread
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 01, 2019, 08:47:56 PM
https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-statement-re-galway-gaa-finances/
Fair play to Galway and the FAI taking the heat off our administration problems.
WITHOUT taking from my original point but it's had to have much Time for these boys
from the mayo news
However, Mike Connelly denied this claim when he spoke to The Mayo News after last week's meeting. "Absolutely not, absolutely not" he said, adding that the €5,000 referred to covered the cost of souvenir 'half and half' GAA jerseys for the New York trip that Mr O'Leary had received, as well as the All-Ireland tickets.
how dare anyone suggest they overcharged for tickets wasn't there Half emerald , half ruby jersey (I presume as it seems to have cost €4,050) thrown in too
Its not about having time for them or not. I have no idea what he is or isn't. But he has raised huge cash for them and I get a strong feeling the County Board are taking the piss out of him now.
They tspped him for cash for bricks and morter, didn't bother with the actual development but still expect the cash. He us right to tell them to do one.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 03, 2019, 02:11:41 PM
Mayo being badly run turns into an anti Dub thread
:D :D :D
It's pure gas alright, isn't it?
Keep 'er lit, boys!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 04, 2019, 05:56:24 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on October 04, 2019, 12:45:54 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on October 04, 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on October 01, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
Fair play to Supermacs for asking the Galway CB for a breakdown of how their sponsorship was spent in the last few years. It's not at all surprising given the shambolic(I'd use another term but have to be careful) behaviour of the county board.
Pricey and a few others are so obsessed with GAA funding/spending they should go investigate that. Without going into specifics it sounds alot more disgraceful than anything about Dublin. That should be the real target for their anger/bitterness instead of crying over dublin actually doing the right things
this is more of it .
what Did super macs get for their money
exactly what they paid for , Huge exposure to sell their Dry burgers, pineapple Topped pizza's and Taco fries to drunks at 2 in the morning
Did they expect the Galway county board to OK decisions with them ?
How come SuperMaC'S get such an easy ride sponsoring sport any way when ever McDonald do it there is always an uproar about Obesity, Its like people think Fried chicken is Fat free it its made by an Irish company .
You are being very naive if you think sponsors hand over cash and thats that.
they of course have the right to decide where their branding is used but nayone who takes advise on how to run GAA club/county from their sponsors ither it be the local chipper or major insurance group is looking for trouble
I think the best sponsrhip deals have more of a partnership than just handing over money for a logo on shirts, but a sponsor gets a say, like it or not.
Now if they hadn't done their homework on the backroom quality of the team in question it gets messy, and I think it shouldn't be being played out in the papers, but if you think amateur hour boards can't learn from successful business men or multinational behemoths you are on the windup.
Local example. Galway United were sponsored by a local property group. Started out as cash for logo. A few years later they are actively involved in the club and building them a training ground. Use the sponsors strengths and contacts. If a second tier LoI club can get 6 figures a year and a facility for free, what could the county board do if arsed?
Not thinking of any examples in particular, but if there is potential fraud going on, I think a sponsor is entitled to know if their loot is going somewhere illegal.
Dunno what the fuss is about, to be honest. It's a governance issue, pure and simple. For the cerebrally challenged, O'Leary can't go around asking the public to donate money for any cause unless the prospective donors are aware of where the money is going and for what reasons it is being collected. If the revenue boys come knocking, Timmy will have to produce invoices, receipts etc.
If it was made clear to the donors that the money was going to be spent on building a centre of excellence or whatever, then he is legally obliged to ensure the money is going where it's meant to go. I don't think it was ever meant to be a handover to the Mayo county board with no strings attached and that it seems was made clear to all before money started changing hands.
Doesnt seem very clear to the Mayo CB though. It seems providing basic information such as plans or architectural drawings is beyond them, never mind receipts, copies of invoices etc
People having a go at the sponsor and not the CB really need wake up
Dublin posters seem obsessed with this topic for some reason. Almost like they're trying to deflect attention from something else...
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 05, 2019, 01:28:01 AM
Dublin posters seem obsessed with this topic for some reason. Almost like they're trying to deflect attention from something else...
That's it lad. Bring it back to the dubs again. Beem a few posts since they got blamed for anything
Quote from: MayoBuck on October 05, 2019, 01:28:01 AM
Dublin posters seem obsessed with this topic for some reason. Almost like they're trying to deflect attention from something else...
Or the complete opposite of what you said.
There is a dublin thead with over 100 pages and full of Mayo posters, then when something with your own counties misfortunes its deflection and the blame game.
Do we have a rough number of how many 'influential backers' like this guy are supporting Mayo?
When we socialise all the counties incomes will monies like this be included?
Quote from: heffo on October 07, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Do we have a rough number of how many 'influential backers' like this guy are supporting Mayo?
When we socialise all the counties incomes will monies like this be included?
How does somebody 'socialise ' income. ?
Quote from: Halfquarter on October 07, 2019, 09:43:24 AM
Quote from: heffo on October 07, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Do we have a rough number of how many 'influential backers' like this guy are supporting Mayo?
When we socialise all the counties incomes will monies like this be included?
How does somebody 'socialise ' income. ?
Jaysus
Quote from: heffo on October 07, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Do we have a rough number of how many 'influential backers' like this guy are supporting Mayo?
When we socialise all the counties incomes will monies like this be included?
I take it you are having a laugh... ;D
Do you seriously think Dublin will divulge the names of all its sponsors, sorry, partners never mind how much each "partnership"is worth?
And as for sharing all of its unearned income with all the jealous culchies, you'll see flying pigs first.
http://www.mayonews.ie/living/34403-mayo-football-the-hypomanic-obsession
Don't be always worrying about money
Gas article from mayo news this week
Quote from: rosnarun on October 08, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
http://www.mayonews.ie/living/34403-mayo-football-the-hypomanic-obsession
Don't be always worrying about money
Gas article from mayo news this week
Did I read the same article?
Gas article?!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/roscommon-gaa-appoints-aidan-brady-as-first-commercial-director-956994.html
A voluntary position by the way.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 14, 2019, 05:09:30 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/roscommon-gaa-appoints-aidan-brady-as-first-commercial-director-956994.html
A voluntary position by the way.
Whats the story here, a well off bloke or will take a % of whatever he earns?
How much revenue did Roscommon GAA generate in 2018?
€1.4 m on the win a house thing. However the likes of that is a one off and wont be coming again.
C. €200k Club Rossie membership.
These are my figures not official ones.
Add Sponsorship, gate receipts.
I presume Aidan is just getting expenses.
Quote from: Rossfan on October 15, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
€1.4 m on the win a house thing. However the likes of that is a one off and wont be coming again.
C. €200k Club Rossie membership.
These are my figures not official ones.
Add Sponsorship, gate receipts.
I presume Aidan is just getting expenses.
And private backers?
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 18, 2019, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 15, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
€1.4 m on the win a house thing. However the likes of that is a one off and wont be coming again.
C. €200k Club Rossie membership.
These are my figures not official ones.
Add Sponsorship, gate receipts.
I presume Aidan is just getting expenses.
And private backers?
Are they anything like the 'influential' private backers who got rid of Rochford?
Quote from: heffo on October 18, 2019, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 18, 2019, 02:27:21 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 15, 2019, 10:11:25 AM
€1.4 m on the win a house thing. However the likes of that is a one off and wont be coming again.
C. €200k Club Rossie membership.
These are my figures not official ones.
Add Sponsorship, gate receipts.
I presume Aidan is just getting expenses.
And private backers?
Are they anything like the 'influential' private backers who got rid of Rochford?
Leave the Stonecutters out of this!
Not very nice !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/financier-called-a-donkey-in-mayo-gaa-county-board-email-1.4058274
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 23, 2019, 08:40:34 AM
Not very nice !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/financier-called-a-donkey-in-mayo-gaa-county-board-email-1.4058274
It's pathetic but no surprise to us Mayo folk.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/croker-dismay-at-mayo-no-show-at-special-congress-959080.html
Quote from: TheGreatest on October 23, 2019, 08:40:34 AM
Not very nice !
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/financier-called-a-donkey-in-mayo-gaa-county-board-email-1.4058274
I think it's fair to say that there are always two sides to any story and I imagine this one is no exception.
The CB hasn't responded to any of Tim O'Leary's allegation, never mind refuting any of them and this is to be expected.
But, somehow, reading between the lines, I am no surprised that a county official or two might think the man is a donkey. Stating this in a public email is another matter!
It seems Tim isn't the only donkey involved!
Now we have former players in the media claiming the County Board aren't paying their bills.
The incompetence of the current Board led by Gombeens needs action. Start with Connelly and ensure that family are kept outside for years to come
Quote from: stephenite on October 26, 2019, 07:53:38 AM
Now we have former players in the media claiming the County Board aren't paying their bills.
The incompetence of the current Board led by Gombeens needs action. Start with Connelly and ensure that family are kept outside for years to come
? ? ?
Hadn't heard of this before. Any details?
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/mayo-gaa-failed-to-pay-restaurant-bills-totalling-18000-explayer-claims-38632372.html
interesting that not one person could be found to drive to cork (noting that you dont even need a member of the board - anyone can be a delegate once they are authorised by the board)
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/croker-dismay-at-mayo-no-show-at-special-congress-959080.html
Time to get the popcorn out........
The gift that keeps on giving, they are not doing themselves any favours.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/millionaire-mayo-backer-receives-apology-from-county-board-over-donkey-song-choice-at-underdogs-game-38643648.html
The most interesting thing about this is trying to differentiate between the fake news and the facts.
Whatever about non-payment of bills where there may have been confusion as to whether it was sponsored/discounted, not having a delegate at the special congress is pretty shameful.
The Mayo foundation aren't doing themselves any favours either.
It's a pity they flatly refused any open questions on this subject at the Co board meeting last night. However they are having a meeting with club delegates 'behind closed doors' in the next month.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 31, 2019, 03:53:59 AM
It's a pity they flatly refused any open questions on this subject at the Co board meeting last night. However they are having a meeting with club delegates 'behind closed doors' in the next month.
Any delegate who voted for these idiots should be embarrassed by their behavior.
Quote from: joemamas on October 31, 2019, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 31, 2019, 03:53:59 AM
It's a pity they flatly refused any open questions on this subject at the Co board meeting last night. However they are having a meeting with club delegates 'behind closed doors' in the next month.
Any delegate who voted for these idiots should be embarrassed by their behavior.
Were the alternatives of a much higher standard?
Quote from: Tubberman on October 31, 2019, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: joemamas on October 31, 2019, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 31, 2019, 03:53:59 AM
It's a pity they flatly refused any open questions on this subject at the Co board meeting last night. However they are having a meeting with club delegates 'behind closed doors' in the next month.
Any delegate who voted for these idiots should be embarrassed by their behavior.
Were the alternatives of a much higher standard?
A more accurate question may be "How many younger potentially bright and energetic officers are discouraged from running due to the continued BS that is constantly occurring at the County Board level."
Quote from: joemamas on October 31, 2019, 01:53:40 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on October 31, 2019, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: joemamas on October 31, 2019, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 31, 2019, 03:53:59 AM
It's a pity they flatly refused any open questions on this subject at the Co board meeting last night. However they are having a meeting with club delegates 'behind closed doors' in the next month.
Any delegate who voted for these idiots should be embarrassed by their behavior.
Were the alternatives of a much higher standard?
A more accurate question may be "How many younger potentially bright and energetic officers are discouraged from running due to the continued BS that is constantly occurring at the County Board level."
PRO Cunnnane doesn't look like he is long out of minor
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1031/1087833-mayo-reject-calls-for-croke-park-input-on-finance-row/?fbclid=IwAR2t3SxB3-bg4UhF_xlY799eid2kduf-J8zoZozhxhBg2nRBvfwPcoWGLXQ
They are afraid of what might be found.
Spa pampering days for some of the lads.
Enough is enough for a number Mayo clubs
https://charlestowngaa.com/club-statement-05-11-2019/
https://mobile.twitter.com/LouisburghGAA/status/1191725541944107008
https://mobile.twitter.com/ballycgaa/status/1191752196649562112
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/34510-dispute-not-discussed-at-meeting
"
QuoteHowever, a statement released to The Mayo News after the meeting by County Board spokesperson, Paul Cunnane, said: "In relation to tonight's meeting to respond to clubs, we received legal correspondence from Tim O'Leary and Eugene Rooney, and based on those letters we have now been advised that we cannot now comment any further on these matters."
The statement also said that: "There was a vote of confidence proposed in the Mayo GAA executive and board at tonight's meeting which was resoundingly passed by all delegates."
The Mayo News understands that a vote was also taken among club delegates present on excluding media from all future meetings of the Mayo County Board.
No members of the media were allowed to attend tonight's meeting."
https://charlestowngaa.com/club-statement-05-11-2019/
Quote"Statement from Charlestown Sarsfields GAA:
Following a County Board meeting held last night the 4th of November 2019 in McHale Park, a statement released by the PRO stated that a motion of confidence in the Executive had been passed with the "overwhelming support" of the delegates. We have been contacted by a number of club members in relation to this issue. It is our understanding that a motion was proposed by an honorary county board officer who is not a club delegate and seconded by a delegate, but that no vote was held on this very important motion. Our club delegate did not vote on this proposal nor was he given the opportunity and we would ask the County Board Executive to clarify last nights statement. We also cannot condone the exclusion of the media from last nights meeting and the proposal to ban then from all future meetings. "
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https://twitter.com/ballycgaa/status/1191752196649562112
https://twitter.com/ArdnareeSarsGaa/status/1191727931673985025
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http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/34540-mayo-gaa-respond-to-claims-by-clubs
QuoteMAYO GAA chiefs have denied claims made by clubs today (Tuesday) that a statement released after last night's County Board meeting in MacHale Park, Castlebar contained inaccuracies regarding a 'motion of confidence' in the County Board executive.
Charlestown Sarsfields GAA, Louisburgh GAA, Ballycastle GAA and Ardnaree Sarsfields GAA have all issued statements today (Tuesday) on social media in response to the Board's claim that: 'a vote of confidence proposed in the Mayo GAA executive and board at tonight's meeting was resoundingly passed by all delegates'.
All four clubs say that no vote took place on this 'motion of confidence' at last night's meeting of club delegates.
"We have been contacted by a number of club members in relation to this issue," read the Charlestown GAA statement.
"It is our understanding that a motion was proposed by an honorary county board officer who is not a club delegate and seconded by a delegate, but that no vote was held on this very important motion.
"Our club delegate did not vote on this proposal nor was he given the opportunity and we would ask the County Board Executive to clarify last night's statement."
However, in response to a number of questions put to County Board officials by The Mayo News this afternoon, Mayo GAA have issued a statement to clarify their position in relation to the 'motion of confidence' issue.
"After a lengthy discussion among delegates on how to move forward for the betterment of Mayo GAA, a number of speakers called for support for the Executive to deal with the matter," reads the statement.
"A motion for a vote of confidence in the Executive was proposed and it was seconded by a number of individuals. There were no objections raised by any club delegate to this motion. As nobody present objected to the motion in any way the motion was taken as passed by all delegates without a vote been required."
A proposal to ban members of the media from attending any future County Board meetings — with the exception of the County Convention — was also passed on Monday night after a show of hands by the club delegates.
Three of the clubs said they disagreed with this motion being passed in their social media statements — Louisburgh, Charlestown Sarsfields and Ardnaree Sarsfields.
However, today's statement from Mayo GAA said this proposal was seconded and passed 'overwhelmingly' by club representatives.
Mayo football is some craic.
Why would you allow the media attend board meetings of any organisation?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
Why would you allow the media attend board meetings of any organisation?
To avoid confusion around whether votes have actually taken place?
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 05, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
Why would you allow the media attend board meetings of any organisation?
To avoid confusion around whether votes have actually taken place?
Thats what board members are for.
I look forward to reading all your internal business, financial affairs, discussions about managers and tactics in the local rag.
How could anyone have any confidence in the Mayo Co. Board after reading all those club/county board statements??
Representatives from GAA HQ should be arranging a meeting with the board/chairman for tomorrow (telling not asking it's happening) to go in and review all the accounts for the last few years. Only way to put an end to this car crash from a Mayo perspective.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 05, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
Why would you allow the media attend board meetings of any organisation?
To avoid confusion around whether votes have actually taken place?
Thats what board members are for.
I look forward to reading all your internal business, financial affairs, discussions about managers and tactics in the local rag.
What do you mean by board members? The executive are saying one thing here but club delegates are saying the opposite.
If it bothers you, maybe don't read local Mayo papers?
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 05, 2019, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2019, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on November 05, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 05, 2019, 06:48:52 PM
Why would you allow the media attend board meetings of any organisation?
To avoid confusion around whether votes have actually taken place?
Thats what board members are for.
I look forward to reading all your internal business, financial affairs, discussions about managers and tactics in the local rag.
What do you mean by board members? The executive are saying one thing here but club delegates are saying the opposite.
If it bothers you, maybe don't read local Mayo papers?
Parties dispute meeting minutes all the time. Its not ideal, but thats what secretarial services are for. Inviting the media into executive meetings is not the answer. Which is why nobody does it.
the county board are playing a master stroke. they just keep delaying the issue until people lose interest and its working
Quote from: rosnarun on November 08, 2019, 02:47:37 PM
the county board are playing a master stroke. they just keep delaying the issue until people lose interest and its working
Tongue in cheek comment!? Would be little interest with people if the Mayo County board didn't let things escalate and now drag out.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-inside-story-mayo-the-county-board-and-the-row-with-the-millionaire-38675616.html
This sounds like Mayo
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2019/11/13/raymond-poulidor-cyclist-known-eternal-second-stole-hearts-french/
Raymond Poulidor, who has died aged 83, was a cyclist who, had his career not coincided with those of Jacques Anquetil and Eddie Merckx, would surely have won a clutch of Tours de France; as it was, "the Eternal Second" became even better loved than his two rivals.
His duels with Anquetil particularly caught the imagination of the French people. Anquetil, with his air of aloof superiority, was the supreme tactician, a master of the time trial who always seemed to ride within himself and suffer less than other riders (that was an illusion, he insisted).
Quote from: Tatler Jack on November 09, 2019, 07:08:51 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-inside-story-mayo-the-county-board-and-the-row-with-the-millionaire-38675616.html
It's not so long ago that John Bailey arrived in Parnell Pk to take the Dublin Hurling panel out for the session.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-gaa-threatened-with-high-court-injunction-as-governance-row-takes-fresh-twist-38705954.html
More craic.
That said, if the geezer isn't a paid up member, he isn't a paid up member...
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 19, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-gaa-threatened-with-high-court-injunction-as-governance-row-takes-fresh-twist-38705954.html
More craic.
That said, if the geezer isn't a paid up member, he isn't a paid up member...
The 'geezer' is a well known and respected journalist here in Mayo. If he didn't pay by March 31st then he hasn't a leg to stand on I know, but you'd think the procedure would be explained by whoever to him.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 19, 2019, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 19, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-gaa-threatened-with-high-court-injunction-as-governance-row-takes-fresh-twist-38705954.html
More craic.
That said, if the geezer isn't a paid up member, he isn't a paid up member...
The 'geezer' is a well known and respected journalist here in Mayo. If he didn't pay by March 31st then he hasn't a leg to stand on I know, but you'd think the procedure would be explained by whoever to him.
He seems well aware of the procedure, but based on his comments I wonder how many of the current board were fully compliant when they got elected.
On the face of it, it seems pretty straightforward; either Gallagher was a paid up member on March 31st or he wasn't. But if that is the only issue, it's hard to see how a respected journalist would be prepared to fork out a wad of dosh to fight a case he has no hope of winning.
Right now, we have only heard one side of the story but I don't think we have got the full story-not yet at any rate.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 19, 2019, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 19, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mayo-gaa-threatened-with-high-court-injunction-as-governance-row-takes-fresh-twist-38705954.html
More craic.
That said, if the geezer isn't a paid up member, he isn't a paid up member...
The 'geezer' is a well known and respected journalist here in Mayo. If he didn't pay by March 31st then he hasn't a leg to stand on I know, but you'd think the procedure would be explained by whoever to him.
AFAIR, Croke Park issued directives to all County boards and then to clubs that this rule would/should be strictly enforced, two years ago.
If the Mayo county board have consistently applied it since then they're airtight, if they've been selective in how they apply it and he has evidence of same, presumably their ruling would be overturned at the 2nd stage (provincial appeal) and he'd be let run.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on November 19, 2019, 10:16:07 PM
On the face of it, it seems pretty straightforward; either Gallagher was a paid up member on March 31st or he wasn't. But if that is the only issue, it's hard to see how a respected journalist would be prepared to fork out a wad of dosh to fight a case he has no hope of winning.
Right now, we have only heard one side of the story but I don't think we have got the full story-not yet at any rate.
It may not be that simple ,
if the rule was not always implemented and is being used now solely to stop him running the court could well side with him.
Maybe the club did not send in its remittances and member list in time which would make it an arguable case as to was he registered or not , though I believe he no longer reside in the club area any more so it could well have lapsed but does that mean your no longer a member esp if you have a club role a court could rule your a defacto member
back in the day membership numbers used to be pathetic ( at least until mayo started qualifiying for all Irelands)
or for conspiracy fans
he could be being used as a stalking horse(by ????) to get the whole thing into a courtroom where questions would have to be answered
its also an example of where the Ladies game differs from
Quote from: rosnarun on November 21, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
he could be being used as a stalking horse(by ????) to get the whole thing into a courtroom where questions would have to be answered
No judge, except maybe in a movie, would allow their court to be used to air or advance a private dispute.
Former Mayo Footballer J P Kean has his say -
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/34601-kean-slams-mayo-gaa-decision-to-bin-strategic-plan
Quote from: Halfquarter on November 22, 2019, 06:52:55 PM
Former Mayo Footballer J P Kean has his say -
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/34601-kean-slams-mayo-gaa-decision-to-bin-strategic-plan
He has a point about ex-players. David Brady for example, spouting a fair bit of rubbish hasn't mentioned this. Conor Mortimer not a peep. Billie Joe Padden, nada. John Maughan also. All media men but haven't put their heads above the parapet about this. Fair play to McStay, although those bridges are well and truly burned now I'd say after the debacle in 2015, so he doesn't have to give a shite.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 23, 2019, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on November 22, 2019, 06:52:55 PM
Former Mayo Footballer J P Kean has his say -
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/34601-kean-slams-mayo-gaa-decision-to-bin-strategic-plan
He has a point about ex-players. David Brady for example, spouting a fair bit of rubbish hasn't mentioned this. Conor Mortimer not a peep. Billie Joe Padden, nada. John Maughan also. All media men but haven't put their heads above the parapet about this. Fair play to McStay, although those bridges are well and truly burned now I'd say after the debacle in 2015, so he doesn't have to give a shite.
Maybe some don't know enough or care enough about county board politics.
Quote from: Tubberman on November 23, 2019, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 23, 2019, 09:48:51 AM
Quote from: Halfquarter on November 22, 2019, 06:52:55 PM
Former Mayo Footballer J P Kean has his say -
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/34601-kean-slams-mayo-gaa-decision-to-bin-strategic-plan
He has a point about ex-players. David Brady for example, spouting a fair bit of rubbish hasn't mentioned this. Conor Mortimer not a peep. Billie Joe Padden, nada. John Maughan also. All media men but haven't put their heads above the parapet about this. Fair play to McStay, although those bridges are well and truly burned now I'd say after the debacle in 2015, so he doesn't have to give a shite.
Maybe some don't know enough or care enough about county board politics.
Mayo GAA has been embarrased in the last few months with all the stories that have appeared in the media. That a Mayo board member can suggest a meeting that the foundation should be told to keep their €250k and not a word of comment from mayo people in the media is bizarre. One of the reasons this story has dragged on is it seems very few in the county are interested in calling out the county board for this shambles
QuoteMayo GAA has been embarrased in the last few months with all the stories that have appeared in the media. That a Mayo board member can suggest a meeting that the foundation should be told to keep their €250k and not a word of comment from mayo people in the media is bizarre. One of the reasons this story has dragged on is it seems very few in the county are interested in calling out the county board for this shambles
Does anyone know, in Mayo, the media or otherwise what it is this O'Leary bucko wants?
It appears to me he started off firing money at us *unconditionally and then at some stage, seemingly after plenty of selfies with the high profile players, the money raised, allegedly, had conditions attached.
*unconditionally - my reading of it is that the first tranche was on the basis of how far we got in the campaign in 2018 and was to be spent on the team to get that extra 1 to 3% out of them...
You can see how there is confusion and anger over this carry on and a reluctance to comment by ex Mayo players when the full story isn't presented.
Quote from: five points on November 21, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 21, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
he could be being used as a stalking horse(by ????) to get the whole thing into a courtroom where questions would have to be answered
No judge, except maybe in a movie, would allow their court to be used to air or advance a private dispute.
it was only one of a nuumebr of suggestions but that will happen if this goes to court . a lot of birty linen will be washed in Public, the county board have been hiding behind the coat tails of the Law and legal process but it could well come back to bite them in the arse .
there a reason family law cases are held in camera
Quote from: rosnarun on November 25, 2019, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: five points on November 21, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 21, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
he could be being used as a stalking horse(by ????) to get the whole thing into a courtroom where questions would have to be answered
No judge, except maybe in a movie, would allow their court to be used to air or advance a private dispute.
it was only one of a nuumebr of suggestions but that will happen if this goes to court . a lot of birty linen will be washed in Public, the county board have been hiding behind the coat tails of the Law and legal process but it could well come back to bite them in the arse .
there a reason family law cases are held in camera
Hardly. If he can prove he's a GAA member, any action he takes against the Association would be referred back by a court to the GAA's internal processes up to and including the DRA. If he can't, the GAA can reasonably tell the court that they're not accountable to him.
If court actions were in any way effective in forcing organisations to wash their dirty linen in public, the FAI would be swamped with them.
Quote from: highorlow on November 25, 2019, 12:14:59 PM
QuoteMayo GAA has been embarrased in the last few months with all the stories that have appeared in the media. That a Mayo board member can suggest a meeting that the foundation should be told to keep their €250k and not a word of comment from mayo people in the media is bizarre. One of the reasons this story has dragged on is it seems very few in the county are interested in calling out the county board for this shambles
Does anyone know, in Mayo, the media or otherwise what it is this O'Leary bucko wants?
It appears to me he started off firing money at us *unconditionally and then at some stage, seemingly after plenty of selfies with the high profile players, the money raised, allegedly, had conditions attached.
*unconditionally - my reading of it is that the first tranche was on the basis of how far we got in the campaign in 2018 and was to be spent on the team to get that extra 1 to 3% out of them...
You can see how there is confusion and anger over this carry on and a reluctance to comment by ex Mayo players when the full story isn't presented.
My best guess is that given the line of work he's involved in, he has a lot of boxes to check from a legal and tax standpoint to make these donations. One would assume that the processes and transparency required from the county board to facilitate the donations are already in place.....obviously they're not
(I'm sure Dublin has everything in order, otherwise AIG wouldn't be able to give them a penny)
Quote from: five points on November 25, 2019, 01:06:38 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 25, 2019, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: five points on November 21, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on November 21, 2019, 04:19:50 PM
he could be being used as a stalking horse(by ????) to get the whole thing into a courtroom where questions would have to be answered
No judge, except maybe in a movie, would allow their court to be used to air or advance a private dispute.
it was only one of a nuumebr of suggestions but that will happen if this goes to court . a lot of birty linen will be washed in Public, the county board have been hiding behind the coat tails of the Law and legal process but it could well come back to bite them in the arse .
there a reason family law cases are held in camera
Hardly. If he can prove he's a GAA member, any action he takes against the Association would be referred back by a court to the GAA's internal processes up to and including the DRA. If he can't, the GAA can reasonably tell the court that they're not accountable to him.
If court actions were in any way effective in forcing organisations to wash their dirty linen in public, the FAI would be swamped with them.
Yeah, I have had a degree of experience of dealing with internal trade union legal disputes and I can see no difference here. ( I feel the GAA qualifies as a Friendly Society and is bound by the same legislation.)
SO, if a case comes to court, the judge will seek to establish that all possible ways of handling the dispute, using the body's own arbitration procedures have been exhausted before he will consent to hear the case.
I believe that if Gallagher does go to the High Court, he will need to be able to prove he tried every possible means of resolving his issue using GAA procedures if he is to have a chance of succeeding.
I think when he counts te pennies he may well decide against it unless he has backing ,
if hes serious about helping mayo Gaa there is always next year when officers will still be required and I think the remaining officers time is up anyway
GAA to meet with millionaire Mayo backer directly over funding row (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaa-to-meet-with-millionaire-mayo-backer-directly-over-funding-row-38730376.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=IN:Daily&hConversionEventId=AQEAAZQF2gAmdjQwMDAwMDE2ZS1hYjkwLTljYWEtOGFhMS1jMjE2M2VjNmE0YTbaACRkOTU3ZDczNy1hODNhLTQxNTUtMDAwMC0wMjFlZjNhMGJjZGPaACQ3NmUyNDEyZS05YTlhLTQzYWQtYTI3NS1kNTc5NjdjMzk4NGY0Ocg_iPgBrYxqs95c341LSuSWIIYuUETo8Zq2JtTn4w)
Donnchadh Boyle and Shane Phelan
November 27 2019 2:30 AM
GAA director-general Tom Ryan is set to intervene directly in the ongoing row that has engulfed Mayo GAA and meet with the county's millionaire backer Tim O'Leary.
Top brass in Croke Park have already met with the Mayo executive and were briefed on the dispute which has rumbled on for months.
The Mayo GAA International Supporters Foundation, which is headed by O'Leary, is withholding €250,000 in funding in a row over governance.
In a letter to Mayo county secretary Dermot Butler, Ryan offered "whatever support and assistance may be required to reach a positive outcome for all concerned".
Ryan also asked Mayo to set up a meeting with O'Leary and asked that Mayo refrain from "making any further public statements".
"Thank you for meeting with me and my colleagues on Friday last," read the letter from Ryan which was dated for last Monday, November 25.
"We appreciate the difficult situation that the County Committee is currently faced with and we will offer whatever support and assistance may be required to reach a positive outcome for all concerned.
"We would be glad to meet with Mr O'Leary in this regard and I would be grateful if you could assist in making the arrangements for such a meeting.
"In the meantime, out of respect to all parties, and in order to better facilitate a resolution, can I ask that you refrain from making any further public statements on the matter?"
The foundation raised the money at an event in New York that coincided with Mayo's trip to the Big Apple to face the Exiles in the Connacht SFC last May.
It is understood the meeting between O'Leary and the GAA's top brass could take place early next week.
Meanwhile, a dispute over the exclusion of a journalist from running for a position on Mayo County Board has been resolved.
Michael Gallagher had threatened to issue High Court injunction proceedings after being told nine days ago that due to a technicality he could not run for the position of PRO at the county convention on December 15.
Following consultation with his club, Ballycroy GAA, the board has now accepted he was fully paid up on time.
Gallagher is not linked to the Mayo GAA International Supporters Foundation, but has been calling for the board to enter mediation with it.
In a statement, he said he appreciated Mayo GAA's response to the situation and thanked his club, saying it "went to great lengths to bring about a fair outcome to this saga".
The latest in the saga:
https://www.offtheball.com/sport/mayo-gaa-receive-e1-million-funding-pending-agreement-terms-932039
While the county board should be making every effort to secure the funding in question, these latest demands from the foundation are a step too far IMO.
There should be scope for agreement on most of the conditions however I see there being a major issue with point number 4 which states:
'The bid process for all sponsorship deals to be managed by a Committee with its members to be agreed in advance with the Foundation and to include independent oversight by a representative from the Foundation'.
The idea of an independent body, not elected by the clubs, having oversight on funding that it provides itself is one thing. Having oversight on 'all sponsorship deals' is a very different matter and runs totally contrary to the democratic ethos of the GAA.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on December 02, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
The latest in the saga:
https://www.offtheball.com/sport/mayo-gaa-receive-e1-million-funding-pending-agreement-terms-932039
While the county board should be making every effort to secure the funding in question, these latest demands from the foundation are a step too far IMO.
There should be scope for agreement on most of the conditions however I see there being a major issue with point number 4 which states:
'The bid process for all sponsorship deals to be managed by a Committee with its members to be agreed in advance with the Foundation and to include independent oversight by a representative from the Foundation'.
The idea of an independent body, not elected by the clubs, having oversight on funding that it provides itself is one thing. Having oversight on 'all sponsorship deals' is a very different matter and runs totally contrary to the democratic ethos of the GAA.
So the current sponsorship deals are democratically chosen? Voted on by clubs?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 03, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on December 02, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
The latest in the saga:
https://www.offtheball.com/sport/mayo-gaa-receive-e1-million-funding-pending-agreement-terms-932039
While the county board should be making every effort to secure the funding in question, these latest demands from the foundation are a step too far IMO.
There should be scope for agreement on most of the conditions however I see there being a major issue with point number 4 which states:
'The bid process for all sponsorship deals to be managed by a Committee with its members to be agreed in advance with the Foundation and to include independent oversight by a representative from the Foundation'.
The idea of an independent body, not elected by the clubs, having oversight on funding that it provides itself is one thing. Having oversight on 'all sponsorship deals' is a very different matter and runs totally contrary to the democratic ethos of the GAA.
So the current sponsorship deals are democratically chosen? Voted on by clubs?
The current sponsorship deals are organised by the county committee which is voted in by the clubs, the same as in every other county.
Quote from: Dubhaltach on December 03, 2019, 06:55:17 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 03, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
Quote from: Dubhaltach on December 02, 2019, 09:35:40 PM
The latest in the saga:
https://www.offtheball.com/sport/mayo-gaa-receive-e1-million-funding-pending-agreement-terms-932039
While the county board should be making every effort to secure the funding in question, these latest demands from the foundation are a step too far IMO.
There should be scope for agreement on most of the conditions however I see there being a major issue with point number 4 which states:
'The bid process for all sponsorship deals to be managed by a Committee with its members to be agreed in advance with the Foundation and to include independent oversight by a representative from the Foundation'.
The idea of an independent body, not elected by the clubs, having oversight on funding that it provides itself is one thing. Having oversight on 'all sponsorship deals' is a very different matter and runs totally contrary to the democratic ethos of the GAA.
So the current sponsorship deals are democratically chosen? Voted on by clubs?
The current sponsorship deals are organised by the county committee which is voted in by the clubs, the same as in every other county.
Thats different to what you said though
Looks like a serious escalation
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-threatens-mayo-gaa-with-legal-action-if-it-wont-repay-his-150000-donation-38752369.html
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Looks like a serious escalation
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-threatens-mayo-gaa-with-legal-action-if-it-wont-repay-his-150000-donation-38752369.html
And this lad is supposed to be a Mayo supporter, their "biggest supporter" even. He clearly is not. They need to find a way to get shut of him.
Quote from: weareros on December 04, 2019, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Looks like a serious escalation
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-threatens-mayo-gaa-with-legal-action-if-it-wont-repay-his-150000-donation-38752369.html
And this lad is supposed to be a Mayo supporter, their "biggest supporter" even. He clearly is not. They need to find a way to get shut of him.
If he handed over money for x and y, and x and y don't happen, he is entitled to a refund. They have treated him appallingly so he is taking his ball home.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: weareros on December 04, 2019, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Looks like a serious escalation
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-threatens-mayo-gaa-with-legal-action-if-it-wont-repay-his-150000-donation-38752369.html
And this lad is supposed to be a Mayo supporter, their "biggest supporter" even. He clearly is not. They need to find a way to get shut of him.
If he handed over money for x and y, and x and y don't happen, he is entitled to a refund. They have treated him appallingly so he is taking his ball home.
Well that's the nub of the issue. What were the terms of the donation? Did Mayo CB agree in advance that any donations from this 'Foundation' would be spent on specific projects, or that the foundation could dictate what the funds were spent on?
If they did, they've made a terrible decision because they've essentially given this guy a veto over how money raised in the name of Mayo GAA is spent, and b) they've left themselves open to this type of action calling for breakdowns and receipts and refunds etc etc
The T & Cs of how Mayo CB and the Foundation would interact and the roles and responsibilities of both parties don't seem to have been nailed down at the beginning and now it's a complete shit-show. O'Leary has some valid points, but he also seems to want to have a far bigger say than he's entitled to. Dangerous ground...
If he has a written agreement then sure give him his money back as soon as he hands over the money that was raised in the name of Mayo GAA in new York.
he tried to blackmail the county board with some very unreasonable demands which would have had the elected board Kow towing to him just because he has a few bob.
while he has done a service in showing up the county board as being eejits he has as I predicted in previous posts decided to pick up his ball and go home like all spoiled brats ,
no doubt he be seen again trying to buy friends in connacht rugby or a broken LOI soccer team where he can be seen as the white Knight
Quote from: rosnarun on December 04, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
If he has a written agreement then sure give him his money back as soon as he hands over the money that was raised in the name of Mayo GAA in new York.
he tried to blackmail the county board with some very unreasonable demands which would have had the elected board Kow towing to him just because he has a few bob.
while he has done a service in showing up the county board as being eejits he has as I predicted in previous posts decided to pick up his ball and go home like all spoiled brats ,
no doubt he be seen again trying to buy friends in connacht rugby or a broken LOI soccer team where he can be seen as the white Knight
He is a rugby plant? Its very early to be drinking
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 04, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
If he has a written agreement then sure give him his money back as soon as he hands over the money that was raised in the name of Mayo GAA in new York.
he tried to blackmail the county board with some very unreasonable demands which would have had the elected board Kow towing to him just because he has a few bob.
while he has done a service in showing up the county board as being eejits he has as I predicted in previous posts decided to pick up his ball and go home like all spoiled brats ,
no doubt he be seen again trying to buy friends in connacht rugby or a broken LOI soccer team where he can be seen as the white Knight
He is a rugby plant? Its very early to be drinking
Not the point
I suspect him of being a band wagon Jumper , A few years back he was English soccer Number 1 fan,
A bit if a full kit w**ker
Quote from: rosnarun on December 04, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 04, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
If he has a written agreement then sure give him his money back as soon as he hands over the money that was raised in the name of Mayo GAA in new York.
he tried to blackmail the county board with some very unreasonable demands which would have had the elected board Kow towing to him just because he has a few bob.
while he has done a service in showing up the county board as being eejits he has as I predicted in previous posts decided to pick up his ball and go home like all spoiled brats ,
no doubt he be seen again trying to buy friends in connacht rugby or a broken LOI soccer team where he can be seen as the white Knight
He is a rugby plant? Its very early to be drinking
Not the point
I suspect him of being a band wagon Jumper , A few years back he was English soccer Number 1 fan,
A bit if a full kit w**ker
If its not the point, why did you make it? You are claiming he donated megabucks to Mayo in order for them to dick him around so he could get in a row and ask for it back all because he is a deep cover LoI or rugby man. That is very silly.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 04, 2019, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: weareros on December 04, 2019, 01:19:41 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Looks like a serious escalation
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/millionaire-threatens-mayo-gaa-with-legal-action-if-it-wont-repay-his-150000-donation-38752369.html
And this lad is supposed to be a Mayo supporter, their "biggest supporter" even. He clearly is not. They need to find a way to get shut of him.
If he handed over money for x and y, and x and y don't happen, he is entitled to a refund. They have treated him appallingly so he is taking his ball home.
Well that's the nub of the issue. What were the terms of the donation? Did Mayo CB agree in advance that any donations from this 'Foundation' would be spent on specific projects, or that the foundation could dictate what the funds were spent on?
If they did, they've made a terrible decision because they've essentially given this guy a veto over how money raised in the name of Mayo GAA is spent, and b) they've left themselves open to this type of action calling for breakdowns and receipts and refunds etc etc
The T & Cs of how Mayo CB and the Foundation would interact and the roles and responsibilities of both parties don't seem to have been nailed down at the beginning and now it's a complete shit-show. O'Leary has some valid points, but he also seems to want to have a far bigger say than he's entitled to. Dangerous ground...
I think the above is fair. He does seem to want more clout than you would expect in GAA circles, if it was a soccer club he would get a seat on the board. Maybe he doesn't get that GAA county boards are a different animal.l to what he is used to. But that said if you accept corporate donations you have to be able to stand over the spending.
There is definitely a cultural clash about money here.
Are they in a position to give it back?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 05:26:10 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 04, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 04, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 04, 2019, 02:16:51 PM
If he has a written agreement then sure give him his money back as soon as he hands over the money that was raised in the name of Mayo GAA in new York.
he tried to blackmail the county board with some very unreasonable demands which would have had the elected board Kow towing to him just because he has a few bob.
while he has done a service in showing up the county board as being eejits he has as I predicted in previous posts decided to pick up his ball and go home like all spoiled brats ,
no doubt he be seen again trying to buy friends in connacht rugby or a broken LOI soccer team where he can be seen as the white Knight
He is a rugby plant? Its very early to be drinking
Not the point
I suspect him of being a band wagon Jumper , A few years back he was English soccer Number 1 fan,
A bit if a full kit w**ker
If its not the point, why did you make it? You are claiming he donated megabucks to Mayo in order for them to dick him around so he could get in a row and ask for it back all because he is a deep cover LoI or rugby man. That is very silly.
No, he's saying O'Leary will get fed up with Mayo/GAA and look for a new project like rugby or a LOI club.
He might bail out Baile Brigin's favourite Sports body ( FAI)
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2019, 09:22:01 PM
He might bail out Baile Brigin's favourite Sports body ( FAI)
Given the evidence to date neither the Mayo board or FAI board could run a bath. If I was the Americans I'd discuss with the donors what other projects they could give the money to instead.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2019, 09:22:01 PM
He might bail out Baile Brigin's favourite Sports body ( FAI)
Eh?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2019, 09:22:01 PM
He might bail out Baile Brigin's favourite Sports body ( FAI)
Doubt it hes a big England Football fan
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/715922/i-did-my-bit-for-england/
Quote from: oliverkelly on December 05, 2019, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2019, 09:22:01 PM
He might bail out Baile Brigin's favourite Sports body ( FAI)
Doubt it hes a big England Football fan
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/715922/i-did-my-bit-for-england/
Ah, stop the lights. I though the only Willie in Mayo GAA was from Belmullet.
Quote from: weareros on December 05, 2019, 09:01:59 PM
Quote from: oliverkelly on December 05, 2019, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on December 04, 2019, 09:22:01 PM
He might bail out Baile Brigin's favourite Sports body ( FAI)
Doubt it hes a big England Football fan
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/715922/i-did-my-bit-for-england/
Ah, stop the lights. I though the only Willie in Mayo GAA was from Belmullet.
there are other bigger willies in the mayo media , but don't worry you wont see them at matches just pontificating
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It's a great pity that this row ever arose. I can't see things ever returning to normal now and relations between O'Leary and the county board are never going to get any better. Mayo football is going to be the big loser because fundraising on the corporate sector in New York is going to become a lot harder in future.
The sort of people able to afford to pay $10,000 dollars for a black tie fundraiser, especially those with Mayo affiliations, are not that easy to find. At best, they need to be approached by one of their own, someone in the same socioeconomic sector and for Mayo fundraising, that was Tim O'Leary.
I can't see him getting involved in any effort to fundraise for Mayo GAA again.
And unfortunately, I can't see any who got involved in the fundraiser that caused the present problem contributing again.
In a nutshell, if you lose O'Leary, you lose his associates also.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 08, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
It's a great pity that this row ever arose. I can't see things ever returning to normal now and relations between O'Leary and the county board are never going to get any better. Mayo football is going to be the big loser because fundraising on the corporate sector in New York is going to become a lot harder in future.
The sort of people able to afford to pay $10,000 dollars for a black tie fundraiser, especially those with Mayo affiliations, are not that easy to find. At best, they need to be approached by one of their own, someone in the same socioeconomic sector and for Mayo fundraising, that was Tim O'Leary.
I can't see him getting involved in any effort to fundraise for Mayo GAA again.
And unfortunately, I can't see any who got involved in the fundraiser that caused the present problem contributing again.
In a nutshell, if you lose O'Leary, you lose his associates also.
Don't worry! Our Dublin Friends tell us that money has never kicked a ball over the bar! No need for it!
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 08, 2019, 10:43:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 08, 2019, 10:31:04 PM
It's a great pity that this row ever arose. I can't see things ever returning to normal now and relations between O'Leary and the county board are never going to get any better. Mayo football is going to be the big loser because fundraising on the corporate sector in New York is going to become a lot harder in future.
The sort of people able to afford to pay $10,000 dollars for a black tie fundraiser, especially those with Mayo affiliations, are not that easy to find. At best, they need to be approached by one of their own, someone in the same socioeconomic sector and for Mayo fundraising, that was Tim O'Leary.
I can't see him getting involved in any effort to fundraise for Mayo GAA again.
And unfortunately, I can't see any who got involved in the fundraiser that caused the present problem contributing again.
In a nutshell, if you lose O'Leary, you lose his associates also.
Don't worry! Our Dublin Friends tell us that money has never kicked a ball over the bar! No need for it!
Arrah, aren't you the bad-minded laitcheko?
Sure everyone knows it's the horsing about out in Fingallians club and having to make do with one tiny tea kettle that has toughened them up.
Is that the real Tim O'Leary on twitter tweeting about Mayo GAA buying curtains and fun sized bananas with his money/donation or is it a parody account?
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 08, 2019, 11:51:59 PM
Is that the real Tim O'Leary on twitter tweeting about Mayo GAA buying curtains and fun sized bananas with his money/donation or is it a parody account?
::)
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 08, 2019, 11:51:59 PM
Is that the real Tim O'Leary on twitter tweeting about Mayo GAA buying curtains and fun sized bananas with his money/donation or is it a parody account?
If he is willing to swing his Willy for England, that is fairly tame:
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The inter county arms race has led to this craziness. There needs to be a stop put to it.
Mayo related, One of my mates a Mancunian with Mayo heritage who shares a name with a certain Mayo midfielder received an email from an Aussie Rules club yesterday by mistake regarding last weekends trials ;D
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
The inter county arms race has led to this craziness. There needs to be a stop put to it.
Spot on.
It is becoming moneyball.
Problem is how do you stop it, Will Dublin dispense with a back room team of 20 or 30 to 10.
How much money goes to doctors, physios etc. How subjective are all the treatments. How much is spent nutrition, and on and on.
Introduce a 'budget cap' per county senior team ... somewhat similar to professional team sports in US.
Travelling expenses to be taken care of centrally.
There are of course 101 details and challenges but i haven't time to run through the 10 or so i can think of off-hand!!
Ultimately, there is no challenge or constraint or factor in all of this that should block it if people ultimately want to save the sport at inter-county level.
Quote from: joemamas on December 12, 2019, 01:25:20 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on December 11, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
The inter county arms race has led to this craziness. There needs to be a stop put to it.
Spot on.
It is becoming moneyball.
Problem is how do you stop it, Will Dublin dispense with a back room team of 20 or 30 to 10.
How much money goes to doctors, physios etc. How subjective are all the treatments. How much is spent nutrition, and on and on.
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 12, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
Mayo related, One of my mates a Mancunian with Mayo heritage who shares a name with a certain Mayo midfielder received an email from an Aussie Rules club yesterday by mistake regarding last weekends trials ;D
What was the gist of the contents!?
come
Quote from: Tubberman on December 12, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 12, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
Mayo related, One of my mates a Mancunian with Mayo heritage who shares a name with a certain Mayo midfielder received an email from an Aussie Rules club yesterday by mistake regarding last weekends trials ;D
What was the gist of the contents!?
don't brush it under the Ma
tt
Quote from: rosnarun on December 12, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
comeQuote from: Tubberman on December 12, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 12, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
Mayo related, One of my mates a Mancunian with Mayo heritage who shares a name with a certain Mayo midfielder received an email from an Aussie Rules club yesterday by mistake regarding last weekends trials ;D
What was the gist of the contents!?
don't brush it under the Matt
Well I know that but I was wondering was it a "pack your bags" or "thanks but no thanks" type mail.
Quote from: rosnarun on December 12, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
comeQuote from: Tubberman on December 12, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 12, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
Mayo related, One of my mates a Mancunian with Mayo heritage who shares a name with a certain Mayo midfielder received an email from an Aussie Rules club yesterday by mistake regarding last weekends trials ;D
What was the gist of the contents!?
don't brush it under the Matt
It was stated elsewhere that top 4 performers in the recent AFL combine in Dublin will be invited over to Australia in April to train in front of AFL teams. Mayo duo Matthew Ruane and Oisin Mullin were among the top performers.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on December 12, 2019, 04:23:28 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on December 12, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
comeQuote from: Tubberman on December 12, 2019, 02:11:13 PM
Quote from: Maroon Manc on December 12, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
Mayo related, One of my mates a Mancunian with Mayo heritage who shares a name with a certain Mayo midfielder received an email from an Aussie Rules club yesterday by mistake regarding last weekends trials ;D
What was the gist of the contents!?
don't brush it under the Matt
It was stated elsewhere that top 4 performers in the recent AFL combine in Dublin will be invited over to Australia in April to train in front of AFL teams. Mayo duo Matthew Ruane and Oisin Mullin were among the top performers.
More good news >:( if true
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
:o
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 16, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
:o
"The focus was and remains participation and coaching. Dublin spent €1.2m on coaching this year. In that same period, it cost €1m to run the Mayo senior team. Dublin have 52 full-time coaches in schools and small clubs. Their salaries are around €30,000, with the clubs making a contribution towards the cost.
Mayo have four full-time coaches, and two working 19 hours a week. Eight extra coaches in Mayo would cost them around €250,000 and would — pro rata — give them more coaches than the Dubs. Instead, like most counties, the money is disappearing down the black hole of the senior county team, including vertical blinds and fun-size bananas and God only knows what else. No wonder there is civil war in Mayo between the county board and the clubs."
I too read his article and while I have no reason to back the Mayo county board, I think he is being economical with the truth here. He should be able to express his POV without distorting the facts.
By far the greatest items of expenditure are the costs of travelling and accommodation. This season Mayo played nine championship matches and had to travel to New York for the opening game.
With 10 0f the panel residing in Dublin, they travel costs have to be factored in also. Dublin play most of their games in Croker and have all their players living in the county so Brolly wasn't comparing like with like here and he knew it.
To call him a devious bullocks would be the understatement of the year.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html
The £1.3 million that Joseph alludes to in todays Irish indo is slightly beneath the £4.37m expenditure outlined in this weekend article by Colm Keys. As you say Lar, there is more than a touch of Joe twisting the facts to suit his agenda of the day (which of course may change with the wind tomorrow lol).
https://www.the42.ie/tim-oleary-mayo-gaa-4935185-Dec2019/
Some good news at last !
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 16, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
:o
"The focus was and remains participation and coaching. Dublin spent €1.2m on coaching this year. In that same period, it cost €1m to run the Mayo senior team. Dublin have 52 full-time coaches in schools and small clubs. Their salaries are around €30,000, with the clubs making a contribution towards the cost.
Mayo have four full-time coaches, and two working 19 hours a week. Eight extra coaches in Mayo would cost them around €250,000 and would — pro rata — give them more coaches than the Dubs. Instead, like most counties, the money is disappearing down the black hole of the senior county team, including vertical blinds and fun-size bananas and God only knows what else. No wonder there is civil war in Mayo between the county board and the clubs."
I too read his article and while I have no reason to back the Mayo county board, I think he is being economical with the truth here. He should be able to express his POV without distorting the facts.
By far the greatest items of expenditure are the costs of travelling and accommodation. This season Mayo played nine championship matches and had to travel to New York for the opening game.
With 10 0f the panel residing in Dublin, they travel costs have to be factored in also. Dublin play most of their games in Croker and have all their players living in the county so Brolly wasn't comparing like with like here and he knew it.
To call him a devious bullocks would be the understatement of the year.
Brolly also neglects to mention the huge difference in games development funding given to Dublin and Mayo. That's what is used to pay the full time coaches and Mayo clubs are unable to contribute to salaries as they are repaying the MacHale Park loan.
Also, the idea that we can just spend less on the senior team and use the money elsewhere is wrong. Most of the revenue only exists by the senior team going deep into the championship.
A number of questions Mr O'Leary and Mayo Need to answer still.
https://combatarena.ie/what-would-john-soloman/
QuoteA number of questions Mr O'Leary and Mayo Need to answer still.
Hey, look after yer own house first, good la.
I don't understand why this is all so open , why has o Leary taken to social media Mayoblog etc to air stuff that should surely of been kept a lid on and sorted in-house . Can't help feel he's a bit of a drama queen
QuoteCan't help feel he's a bit of a drama queen
plus an attention seeker.
Doesn't seem like our Joe got any major scoop from him when they were scooping pints together in Doheny and Nesbits a few weeks back.
Jim Gavin retiring obviously put Joes big story back a week. This latest chapter, Joes story and now the O'Leary twitter apology all seem contrived.
Quote from: larryin89 on December 17, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
I don't understand why this is all so open , why has o Leary taken to social media Mayoblog etc to air stuff that should surely of been kept a lid on and sorted in-house . Can't help feel he's a bit of a drama queen
I imagine it's because he's sick of being messed around by the county board, so he's going public to try and embarass them into action.
Aragh I dunno , Kerry , donegal and more besides have sugar daddies and they're happy out with a fistful of final tickets if they get there , been mayo we had to be landed with this mule
Quote from: dublin7 on December 17, 2019, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 17, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
I don't understand why this is all so open , why has o Leary taken to social media Mayoblog etc to air stuff that should surely of been kept a lid on and sorted in-house . Can't help feel he's a bit of a drama queen
I imagine it's because he's sick of being messed around by the county board, so he's going public to try and embarass them into action.
The county board will be praying he doesn't show up at the Bacon End with the sausage out.
Quote from: weareros on December 17, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 17, 2019, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 17, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
I don't understand why this is all so open , why has o Leary taken to social media Mayoblog etc to air stuff that should surely of been kept a lid on and sorted in-house . Can't help feel he's a bit of a drama queen
I imagine it's because he's sick of being messed around by the county board, so he's going public to try and embarass them into action.
The county board will be praying he doesn't show up at the Bacon End with the sausage out.
;D ;D
Quote from: weareros on December 17, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on December 17, 2019, 12:55:58 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 17, 2019, 10:03:30 AM
I don't understand why this is all so open , why has o Leary taken to social media Mayoblog etc to air stuff that should surely of been kept a lid on and sorted in-house . Can't help feel he's a bit of a drama queen
I imagine it's because he's sick of being messed around by the county board, so he's going public to try and embarass them into action.
The county board will be praying he doesn't show up at the Bacon End with the sausage out.
At least they pull their lovely blinds he paid for across their office windows to avoid it
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 16, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 16, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
:o
"The focus was and remains participation and coaching. Dublin spent €1.2m on coaching this year. In that same period, it cost €1m to run the Mayo senior team. Dublin have 52 full-time coaches in schools and small clubs. Their salaries are around €30,000, with the clubs making a contribution towards the cost.
Mayo have four full-time coaches, and two working 19 hours a week. Eight extra coaches in Mayo would cost them around €250,000 and would — pro rata — give them more coaches than the Dubs. Instead, like most counties, the money is disappearing down the black hole of the senior county team, including vertical blinds and fun-size bananas and God only knows what else. No wonder there is civil war in Mayo between the county board and the clubs."
I too read his article and while I have no reason to back the Mayo county board, I think he is being economical with the truth here. He should be able to express his POV without distorting the facts.
By far the greatest items of expenditure are the costs of travelling and accommodation. This season Mayo played nine championship matches and had to travel to New York for the opening game.
With 10 0f the panel residing in Dublin, they travel costs have to be factored in also. Dublin play most of their games in Croker and have all their players living in the county so Brolly wasn't comparing like with like here and he knew it.
To call him a devious bullocks would be the understatement of the year.
Brolly also neglects to mention the huge difference in games development funding given to Dublin and Mayo. That's what is used to pay the full time coaches and Mayo clubs are unable to contribute to salaries as they are repaying the MacHale Park loan.
Also, the idea that we can just spend less on the senior team and use the money elsewhere is wrong. Most of the revenue only exists by the senior team going deep into the championship.
So your model is unsustainable.
Correct - It is unsustainable to hire 8 full time coaches, as Brolly suggests, with the current games development funding we receive.
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 05:30:37 PM
Correct - It is unsustainable to hire 8 full time coaches, as Brolly suggests, with the current games development funding we receive.
Brolly may be a Barrister but he is no Accountant!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 16, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 16, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
:o
"The focus was and remains participation and coaching. Dublin spent €1.2m on coaching this year. In that same period, it cost €1m to run the Mayo senior team. Dublin have 52 full-time coaches in schools and small clubs. Their salaries are around €30,000, with the clubs making a contribution towards the cost.
Mayo have four full-time coaches, and two working 19 hours a week. Eight extra coaches in Mayo would cost them around €250,000 and would — pro rata — give them more coaches than the Dubs. Instead, like most counties, the money is disappearing down the black hole of the senior county team, including vertical blinds and fun-size bananas and God only knows what else. No wonder there is civil war in Mayo between the county board and the clubs."
I too read his article and while I have no reason to back the Mayo county board, I think he is being economical with the truth here. He should be able to express his POV without distorting the facts.
By far the greatest items of expenditure are the costs of travelling and accommodation. This season Mayo played nine championship matches and had to travel to New York for the opening game.
With 10 0f the panel residing in Dublin, they travel costs have to be factored in also. Dublin play most of their games in Croker and have all their players living in the county so Brolly wasn't comparing like with like here and he knew it.
To call him a devious bullocks would be the understatement of the year.
Brolly also neglects to mention the huge difference in games development funding given to Dublin and Mayo. That's what is used to pay the full time coaches and Mayo clubs are unable to contribute to salaries as they are repaying the MacHale Park loan.
Also, the idea that we can just spend less on the senior team and use the money elsewhere is wrong. Most of the revenue only exists by the senior team going deep into the championship.
So your model is unsustainable.
I'm using a bit of bog logic here but I think Dublin has about four times as many registered players as Mayo have. That's going by one of the infographs posted on another thread sometime ago. (39,000+ vs !0,000+ )
Dublin has 52 full time coaches whereas Mayo have four. So you don't have to be a nuclear physicist to cop that Dublin has only four times as many players but thirteen times as many coaches. Mayo coaches have logistical issues their Dub counterparts wouldn't understand. THe Mayo heads might clock up 20 times as many miles in a working week.
Now, I am not begrudging anything to the Dubs. Everyone else who look for the same if they could get it but the Mayo CB isn't totally clueless and in most cases are doing an okay job. My grief here is with Brolly. If you want to criticise the Mayo CB, and most Mayo fans do, you should at least get your facts straight.
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 17, 2019, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 16, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 16, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
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"The focus was and remains participation and coaching. Dublin spent €1.2m on coaching this year. In that same period, it cost €1m to run the Mayo senior team. Dublin have 52 full-time coaches in schools and small clubs. Their salaries are around €30,000, with the clubs making a contribution towards the cost.
Mayo have four full-time coaches, and two working 19 hours a week. Eight extra coaches in Mayo would cost them around €250,000 and would — pro rata — give them more coaches than the Dubs. Instead, like most counties, the money is disappearing down the black hole of the senior county team, including vertical blinds and fun-size bananas and God only knows what else. No wonder there is civil war in Mayo between the county board and the clubs."
I too read his article and while I have no reason to back the Mayo county board, I think he is being economical with the truth here. He should be able to express his POV without distorting the facts.
By far the greatest items of expenditure are the costs of travelling and accommodation. This season Mayo played nine championship matches and had to travel to New York for the opening game.
With 10 0f the panel residing in Dublin, they travel costs have to be factored in also. Dublin play most of their games in Croker and have all their players living in the county so Brolly wasn't comparing like with like here and he knew it.
To call him a devious bullocks would be the understatement of the year.
Brolly also neglects to mention the huge difference in games development funding given to Dublin and Mayo. That's what is used to pay the full time coaches and Mayo clubs are unable to contribute to salaries as they are repaying the MacHale Park loan.
Also, the idea that we can just spend less on the senior team and use the money elsewhere is wrong. Most of the revenue only exists by the senior team going deep into the championship.
So your model is unsustainable.
I'm using a bit of bog logic here but I think Dublin has about four times as many registered players as Mayo have. That's going by one of the infographs posted on another thread sometime ago. (39,000+ vs !0,000+ )
Dublin has 52 full time coaches whereas Mayo have four. So you don't have to be a nuclear physicist to cop that Dublin has only four times as many players but thirteen times as many coaches. Mayo coaches have logistical issues their Dub counterparts wouldn't understand. THe Mayo heads might clock up 20 times as many miles in a working week.
Now, I am not begrudging anything to the Dubs. Everyone else who look for the same if they could get it but the Mayo CB isn't totally clueless and in most cases are doing an okay job. My grief here is with Brolly. If you want to criticise the Mayo CB, and most Mayo fans do, you should at least get your facts straight.
When comparing GDO/coaching you need to be comparing numbers of primary school children. Number of adult members is completely irrelevant to the work the GDOs do!!
Not disagreeing with your overall point, but if you use irrelevant facts to back up a point, you're venturing into Brolly territory!
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
We seem to be in agreement on most of this. You can't hire numerous full time staff with no guaranteed source of revenue to pay them. The reasons we spend more on our senior team are done to death at this stage - mileage expenses to players, transport & hotel stays for games on the other side of the country, championship games in New York/London etc.
If we're honest, there are lots of counties that are unsustainable. Tipperary had a 370k deficit this year, Galway 260k and God knows about Cork. Mayo are in a better place than those 3 based on 2019.
Anyway, the original point I was making is that Brolly's article is rubbish.
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Jesus wept. Thats because you had to go to NY.
But even with that, does that number not strike you as high? €20k a player?
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Jesus wept. Thats because you had to go to NY.
But even with that, does that number not strike you as high? €20k a player?
Do you have a point?
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Does that include the training camp in NY post game in Gaelic park?
Quote from: heffo on December 18, 2019, 02:45:54 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Does that include the training camp in NY post game in Gaelic park?
As far as I know, yes.
That figure includes U20s, minors & seniors including hurling too.
Figure for senior footballers was 696,890.
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Jesus wept. Thats because you had to go to NY.
But even with that, does that number not strike you as high? €20k a player?
Do you have a point?
You are spunking money on a mediocre team like no other county and complaining you don't have money for the basics
"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Jesus wept. Thats because you had to go to NY.
But even with that, does that number not strike you as high? €20k a player?
Do you have a point?
You are spunking money on a mediocre team like no other county and complaining you don't have money for the basics
Do you have the breakdown for all counties there handy?
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 03:04:23 PM
“Mediocre team “ ffs what’s the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 03:01:22 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on December 18, 2019, 02:09:00 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 11:40:15 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 18, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 17, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 08:29:51 PM
Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
It's not what? Travelling expenses amounted to €927,444 in 2019.
Jesus wept. Thats because you had to go to NY.
But even with that, does that number not strike you as high? €20k a player?
Do you have a point?
You are spunking money on a mediocre team like no other county and complaining you don't have money for the basics
Do you have the breakdown for all counties there handy?
Of course
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/revealed-here-is-how-much-your-county-spent-on-its-teams-in-2017-with-dublin-only-the-second-biggest-spenders-36576369.html
Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 03:04:23 PM
"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
I'm sorry. Maybe the blinds are for the trophy cabinet
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Quote from: larryin89 on December 18, 2019, 03:04:23 PM
"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
Why does 1 county get handed €1.6 million per year for "the basics" while everyone else is given pittance and expected to find the balance some other way?
Quote from: Hound on December 18, 2019, 12:51:23 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 17, 2019, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 17, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: MayoBuck on December 16, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 16, 2019, 04:42:02 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on December 16, 2019, 02:49:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-vertical-blinds-funsize-bananas-and-mass-incompetence-county-boards-are-even-worse-than-we-thought-38785311.html
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"The focus was and remains participation and coaching. Dublin spent €1.2m on coaching this year. In that same period, it cost €1m to run the Mayo senior team. Dublin have 52 full-time coaches in schools and small clubs. Their salaries are around €30,000, with the clubs making a contribution towards the cost.
Mayo have four full-time coaches, and two working 19 hours a week. Eight extra coaches in Mayo would cost them around €250,000 and would — pro rata — give them more coaches than the Dubs. Instead, like most counties, the money is disappearing down the black hole of the senior county team, including vertical blinds and fun-size bananas and God only knows what else. No wonder there is civil war in Mayo between the county board and the clubs."
I too read his article and while I have no reason to back the Mayo county board, I think he is being economical with the truth here. He should be able to express his POV without distorting the facts.
By far the greatest items of expenditure are the costs of travelling and accommodation. This season Mayo played nine championship matches and had to travel to New York for the opening game.
With 10 0f the panel residing in Dublin, they travel costs have to be factored in also. Dublin play most of their games in Croker and have all their players living in the county so Brolly wasn't comparing like with like here and he knew it.
To call him a devious bullocks would be the understatement of the year.
Brolly also neglects to mention the huge difference in games development funding given to Dublin and Mayo. That's what is used to pay the full time coaches and Mayo clubs are unable to contribute to salaries as they are repaying the MacHale Park loan.
Also, the idea that we can just spend less on the senior team and use the money elsewhere is wrong. Most of the revenue only exists by the senior team going deep into the championship.
So your model is unsustainable.
I'm using a bit of bog logic here but I think Dublin has about four times as many registered players as Mayo have. That's going by one of the infographs posted on another thread sometime ago. (39,000+ vs !0,000+ )
Dublin has 52 full time coaches whereas Mayo have four. So you don't have to be a nuclear physicist to cop that Dublin has only four times as many players but thirteen times as many coaches. Mayo coaches have logistical issues their Dub counterparts wouldn't understand. THe Mayo heads might clock up 20 times as many miles in a working week.
Now, I am not begrudging anything to the Dubs. Everyone else who look for the same if they could get it but the Mayo CB isn't totally clueless and in most cases are doing an okay job. My grief here is with Brolly. If you want to criticise the Mayo CB, and most Mayo fans do, you should at least get your facts straight.
When comparing GDO/coaching you need to be comparing numbers of primary school children. Number of adult members is completely irrelevant to the work the GDOs do!!
Not disagreeing with your overall point, but if you use irrelevant facts to back up a point, you're venturing into Brolly territory!
I understand what you are saying but my understanding is that we are/were talking about all grants to counties, irrespective of origin, GAA, Irish Sports Council etc.)
However, if you are going by the number of primary school kids involved, the bias in Dublin's favour would be even greater. Dublin has four times the number of GAA players than Mayo but has far more than four times the number of primary school children.
I don't have precise numbers involved but if you go by the respective populations, Dublin has more than 10 times the number of people. (That's going by the 2016 census, 1,347,359 vs 130,507.) Bear in mind also that the demographics are skewed in Dublin's favour, the numbers of school going age are increasing rapidly whereas the opposite is true in Mayo.Mayo has an aging population, primary schools are closing or amalgamating, few very report an increase in roll numbers. THHe opposite holds true in Dublin.
Anyway, I'm not interested in point scoring of any sort right now, I still maintain that Brolly was being economical with the truth when he attacked Mayo's spend on the senior team. According to the last audit I am aware of, Mayo spent around 1.5 million in team expenses but that included ALL football teams.
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Hold up. You state that you can't do the basics because the money is tied up in the senior team, and if they struggle, you have less money, so proportionally more has to go into the senior team.
Thats the business model of a league of Ireland club that went bust in the 60's after two seasons.
What do you mean by can't do the basics? Mayo have 4 full time coaches and that's all that can be afforded with the current GD funding being received. Brolly is proposing to spend ~€280k per year on 8 coaches with no guarantee where the money comes from.
The senior team largely pays for itself. Go far in the championship and more commercial/fundraising money comes in, get knocked out early and less money is spent.
Sigh. I'll type it slowly.
You cant afford coaches to go out and spread the games, but you can afford to spend what is by a distance the most that is spent on an individual team. And this spending is conditional on the the income generated by team going a certain distance. If they don't you cant pay the bills. That is by definition unsustainable.
The most Spent by a considerable distance, I'm not sure if that's accurate but there needs to be context added to such a statement. Two years ago there was twenty panel members living in Dublin , I assume that figure hasn't changed much , do you realize how much more expense that adds to the yearly bill compared to the polar opposite of say Dublin who would very few if any based outside the county . There is much more to consider , logistics are a fuc ing nightmare.
Every county has players based in Dublin. Thats not it.
Oh yes, it is!
The point is we are comparing Mayo's spend on senior team expenses to Dublin's. To be more precise, we are discussing what one obnoxious individual, aka, Je Brolly, had to say when comparing both.
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
Or chokers who couldn't run a bath
Mayo will be remembered like all good teams who get to All Ireland Finals and lose. The Galway team of the 70's and the Roscommon teams of later on in the decade.
There was never a time I felt that Mayo could have beaten Dublin in all those encounters since 2012. We gave them a game, but they always had a bit more. You have to say they have got a lot of of the Millions and Millions they have gotten from the Government, the AA and their Sponsors.
Anyway that's all in the past now.
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
Or chokers who couldn't run a bath
Just after reading the independent article you posted above and noticed this about Dublin's finances in 2017:
"They also benefited from a €462,000 payment from the National League share, courtesy of the crowds they attracted, taking team-related income well over the €2m mark."
Even though they're using a stadium that was handed to them free of charge!! Meanwhile Mayo repay Croke Park 400k per year for the MacHale Park loan.
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
Or chokers who couldn't run a bath
Chokers? So they should have beaten Dublin in those finals? So they're a better bunch of footballers than the Dublin players then? Because if Dublin were a better team then Mayo couldn't be chokers for drawing with them or losing by a point.
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
Or chokers who couldn't run a bath
Or a shower of pampered media pets with more professionals in their backup squad than players on the panel or a country board that's so incompetent than it needs more than half the money HQ has set aside for the entire country, north and south just to remain solvent, sort of .... the list goes on ad infinitum.
(Maybe there is no county that could have all those boxes checked; certainly no more than one or two at the most and maybe one at the least. What do you think?) ;D
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
Or chokers who couldn't run a bath
Or a shower of pampered media pets with more professionals in their backup squad than players on the panel or a country board that's so incompetent than it needs more than half the money HQ has set aside for the entire country, north and south just to remain solvent, sort of .... the list goes on ad infinitum.
(Maybe there is no county that could have all those boxes checked; certainly no more than one or two at the most and maybe one at the least. What do you think?) ;D
so on the money.
The GAA has become DAA.
As for the media love fest, please don't get me started.
breaking news " Dublin player has dinner in a restaurant, ordered meat instead of chicken"
See six attached photos, one for each course.
Management or sorry "Players PRO or agent " has decided not to comment on the food variance.
If the player in question is suspended for this, there will be a high court injunction to overturn the suspension.
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"Mediocre team " ffs what's the point when you obviously have an axe to grind .
the axe of course being that even though dyblin have won 5 in a row the most Dublin teams will ever achieve is Respect ,
they are unlovable , with the exception of Jack mcCaffery , boring bunch of clones made in their makers image with a massive inbuilt advantages in terms of money and population that have done nothing to promote Gaelic football and and no matter how much they win that is how they will be remembered
And how will Mayo be remembered?
maybe as the best team never to win an all Ireland but with great fondness that played open whole hearted football even though they had Flaws and it was never quiet enough, well until 2020 anyway
to paraphrase Eamonn Dunphy Dublin's is a 'Strange Kind of glory '
Or chokers who couldn't run a bath
Or a shower of pampered media pets with more professionals in their backup squad than players on the panel or a country board that's so incompetent than it needs more than half the money HQ has set aside for the entire country, north and south just to remain solvent, sort of .... the list goes on ad infinitum.
(Maybe there is no county that could have all those boxes checked; certainly no more than one or two at the most and maybe one at the least. What do you think?) ;D
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Mayo will be remembered like all good teams who get to All Ireland Finals and lose. The Galway team of the 70's and the Roscommon teams of later on in the decade.
There was never a time I felt that Mayo could have beaten Dublin in all those encounters since 2012. We gave them a game, but they always had a bit more. You have to say they have got a lot of of the Millions and Millions they have gotten from the Government, the AA and their Sponsors.
Anyway that's all in the past now.
I never mind Dubs or who ever having a go at Mayo it. it's in the nature of the Game but when I see comments like the above from Mayo People I just shake my head.
what kind of fecking self-loathing pessimist see their them draw a match ending on the front Foot cannot see his team win ?
and then writes off any future prospect of success before a ball is kicked in the new year
and the other one having a go at the players , probably the finest bunch of lads to ever pull on the read and green since the 50's anyway ,
courteous polite always time for Supporters , look as thought they love playing for Mayo not afraid to take action when needed eg the heave of pat and noel .
the manner they came back from that with no shite talk and just got on playing as good as ever was remarkable.
They may not have won Sam but it one hell of a ride getting their and the league last year was a fantastic win and a small down payment of whats to come.
Rant over , carry on
Oooh err.....
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mayo-bids-to-resolve-error-counting-votes-for-connacht-delegate-roles-971291.html
Another thread about your county bei g a shambles turns into Dublin bashing. How tedious.
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Another thread about your county bei g a shambles turns into Dublin bashing. How tedious.
Talk about the kettle calling the pot black! ;D
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Another thread about your county bei g a shambles turns into Dublin bashing. How tedious.
Yourself and other Dublin posters are quick to start threads on here slating mayo but have no response to the umpteen advantages your own county has. Just cry foul that we're all bitter begrudgers ::)
Agreement has been reached between Mayo cb and Tim o leary, it has been agreed as Mayo cb cannot handle money he will send loafs of bread and bags of spuds.
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Another thread about your county bei g a shambles turns into Dublin bashing. How tedious.
"Dublin bashing? I think you'll find most Mayo contributors have been gracious towards our Dublin GAA colleagues. You, on the other hand, have made every effort to let your county down by continuing to carry on like an utter tool
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Another thread about your county bei g a shambles turns into Dublin bashing. How tedious.
"Dublin bashing? I think you'll find most Mayo contributors have been gracious towards our Dublin GAA colleagues. You, on the other hand, have made every effort to let your county down by continuing to carry on like an utter tool
Comes on here calling another county chokers and a mediocre team but throws the toys out of the pram when people disagree. Maybe you should head over to reservoir dubs where there's a dedicated thread taking the piss out of Aidan O'Shea and his family. Probably a more appropriate audience.
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Another thread about your county bei g a shambles turns into Dublin bashing. How tedious.
"Dublin bashing? I think you'll find most Mayo contributors have been gracious towards our Dublin GAA colleagues. You, on the other hand, have made every effort to let your county down by continuing to carry on like an utter tool
Comes on here calling another county chokers and a mediocre team but throws the toys out of the pram when people disagree. Maybe you should head over to reservoir dubs where there's a dedicated thread taking the piss out of Aidan O'Shea and his family. Probably a more appropriate audience.
I would say he already resides there.
Maybe the mediocrity stems from the players being as snowflaky as their fans.
Keep talking about Dublin, ignore your own mess. That will fix it.
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Maybe the mediocrity stems from the players being as snowflaky as their fans.
Keep talking about Dublin, ignore your own mess. That will fix it.
So if people stop talking about Dublin on gaaboard that will solve the current dispute?
That makes even less sense than your comments on county finances.
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Maybe the mediocrity stems from the players being as snowflaky as their fans.
Keep talking about Dublin, ignore your own mess. That will fix it.
So if people stop talking about Dublin on gaaboard that will solve the current dispute?
That makes even less sense than your comments on county finances.
The point is there are numerous threads on your champions. One about the shambles in Mayo is also now about the Dubs.
All rosy once more it seems
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-gaa-apologise-to-businessman-tim-oleary-as-both-parties-confirm-end-to-dispute-over-finances-38893053.html
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Agreement has been reached between Mayo cb and Tim o leary, it has been agreed as Mayo cb cannot handle money he will send loafs of bread and bags of spuds.
Must be disappointing for you to hear this issue has been resolved and the lolly will be coming thick and fast into castlebar HQ .
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All rosy once more it seems
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-gaa-apologise-to-businessman-tim-oleary-as-both-parties-confirm-end-to-dispute-over-finances-38893053.html
Was Liam Moffit involved with St Vincents Dublin at one stage?
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Agreement has been reached between Mayo cb and Tim o leary, it has been agreed as Mayo cb cannot handle money he will send loafs of bread and bags of spuds.
Must be disappointing for you to hear this issue has been resolved and the lolly will be coming thick and fast into castlebar HQ .
it is one thing lolly coming in, but that alone wont solve anything.
why dont the county board at some point revisit Liam Horans long term plan.
there is still a lot of pruning that needs to be done, the prior buddy system will not be rectified in one or two years.
Looks like Mr O'Leary has crossed the point of no return with that tweet yesterday.
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-tim-oleary-5020467-Feb2020/
Mayo county board blasting this one today.
https://youtu.be/lMxmRlZoZJ0
Is the supporters foundation organisation now defunct ?
Amazing efficiency by mayo county board almost as though thy had the Statement pre-prepared
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Amazing efficiency by mayo county board almost as though thy had the Statement pre-prepared
It was surely only a matter of time before it would be needed.
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Amazing efficiency by mayo county board almost as though thy had the Statement pre-prepared
It was surely only a matter of time before it would be needed.
Arra, I dunno. ;D
I mean the Mayo secretary called poor Tim a donkey in an email and some bright spark got the idea to play Shoe the Donkey on the pa system at a game on Mchale and Timmy still forgave the whole sodden lot of them.
Now, he just let slip what the entire CB are probably thinking and the board tells him to frig off. Doesn't seem fair to me.
In all seriousness although, I think the parting of the ways was coming and if it wasn't te Tweet, it would have been something else.
It's a great pity but since neither party is spilling the beans, I can't pass judgement.
100% right call by the board.
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100% right call by the board.
I agree, shameful comment. Blaming drink for stupidity is a cop out.
Said something stupid when he was drunk, not a whole pile different from any amount of GAA followers. He apologised and removed said tweet, christ Mayo County Board are they that stupid! Maybe trawling the corners of Mayo with raffle tickets will rise them from their stupidity. You should never look a gift horse in the mouth, O Leary is passionate and like us all says stupid things at times. But the treatment he gets for funding Mayo is nothing short of farcical. Mayo = give us your money and say SFA. Leave the GAA to the lads who would be hard pressed to put a €5 in the pot.
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Said something stupid when he was drunk, not a whole pile different from any amount of GAA followers. He apologised and removed said tweet, christ Mayo County Board are they that stupid! Maybe trawling the corners of Mayo with raffle tickets will rise them from their stupidity. You should never look a gift horse in the mouth, O Leary is passionate and like us all says stupid things at times. But the treatment he gets for funding Mayo is nothing short of farcical. Mayo = give us your money and say SFA. Leave the GAA to the lads who would be hard pressed to put a €5 in the pot.
it would have been fine had he been a regular follower but he was not . he was like he Israelis promising a peace deal and starting a new settlement straight away.
the most we can hope for now is he'll go quietly and not restart the court case maybe stretching things too far but maybe other members of the foundation could keep it going?
after all it was for the good of the GAA in mayo rather than as a sign of support for tim o leary .
Personally I think the apology should have been accepted and if they did not want to deal with him he should be told without any hiding
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Quote from: ballinaman on February 25, 2020, 01:23:29 PM
100% right call by the board.
I agree, shameful comment. Blaming drink for stupidity is a cop out.
Another plus 1 here. For a drunken message there were no spelling mistakes. I initially thought he had the right intention, but his outbursts, however sporadically they will be are not what the GAA is about.
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Said something stupid when he was drunk, not a whole pile different from any amount of GAA followers. He apologised and removed said tweet, christ Mayo County Board are they that stupid! Maybe trawling the corners of Mayo with raffle tickets will rise them from their stupidity. You should never look a gift horse in the mouth, O Leary is passionate and like us all says stupid things at times. But the treatment he gets for funding Mayo is nothing short of farcical. Mayo = give us your money and say SFA. Leave the GAA to the lads who would be hard pressed to put a €5 in the pot.
You should look back over his list of 'demands' last December. What's clear is that he thought that his money could buy him a position of influence in Mayo GAA. Definite right call by the board.
All might have apparently been rosy in the garden from January when statements were released and all was good again again after the election of the new executive.
However, from my view of it, 3 or 4 tweets from O'Leary where he was watching a Mayo match on GAAGO while drinking a €500 bottle of wine (the bottle strategically placed so that everyones was curiosity was perked as to what the brand was and how much it cost) was just the wrong 'look'..... Attention seeking. 'Look how wealthy i am'. 'Now get busy and massage my ego with your replies.'
The tweet on Saturday .... well, one of the problems was it was 'tweets'. He initially sent the tweet with 'Horan out' at end of rugby game and then quickly deleted it after a couple of comments back to him. Then a couple of hours later, it went up again and he engaged a few people with replies.
Again, this is all a bad 'look' .... smacks of a presumption that he actually has some influence in decision making in the county.
My feeling/suspicion is that there are other wealthy people who will now get on board given the better governance plus the impressive people now in the key executive positions; and moreso that any money they contribute won't ultimately be feeding the perception that 'Tim O'Leary is doing a great job' and helping boost his ego, i.e.: he gets credit for money others are contributing.
Bottom line, O'Leary violated the agreements made with the county board and it was a binary simple and correct decision as a consequence. Time to move on and switch the focus back exclusively to the pitch (while also calling out those half-wits who abuse players on social media)
QuoteTime to move on and switch the focus back exclusively to the pitch (while also calling out those half-wits who abuse players on social media)
I missed that and only saw the reaction.
who was being targeted. The only players that really seem to get abuse on the mayo team are hennely, S coen and previously Drake
Thankfully we have a dignified backer.
Well he would be dignified being a Rosman.
Sure we have an unfair advantage.
Was just reading about this lad. I'd assumed he was some ex-pat made good abroad. Turns out he's a Londoner who supports England in the soccer and lives in the Bahamas. Nothing wrong with that (I've London-born and based cousins who go to some Donegal games), just the England support coupled with GAA obsession is unusual.
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Was just reading about this lad. I'd assumed he was some ex-pat made good abroad. Turns out he's a Londoner who supports England in the soccer and lives in the Bahamas. Nothing wrong with that (I've London-born and based cousins who go to some Donegal games), just the England support coupled with GAA obsession is unusual.
Not only that. He has gone to great... eh...lengths in his support for England.
Mayo should have ran him ages ago just for the distraction alone. You'd want a good Knock medal lest an unsavory sausage made a surprise appearance at the Bacon Factory end. It wouldn't be shoe the donkey but some poor steward trying to shoo the Mickey.
Have Mayo already received the 250k cheque? if so do they return it or use it for the illusive academy?
Isn't this a case of the Asses calling out the Donkey, just for the crime of being a bit of an Ass.
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Have Mayo already received the 250k cheque? if so do they return it or use it for the illusive academy?
Isn't this a case of the Asses calling out the Donkey, just for the crime of being a bit of an Ass.
Mayo County Board will not be getting €250,000 in funding pledged by the international supporters group after cutting off dialogue with its chairman, millionaire businessman Tim O'Leary.
The funds were earmarked for the development of an underage academy, but the Irish Independent has learned they will instead be given to charities and used to buy equipment for the county's ladies football team.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/local-charities-to-benefit-as-mayo-county-board-loses-250000-academy-funding-in-fall-out-from-oleary-row-38997886.html
Toys out of the pram ,foff blackntan
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Quote from: Main Street on February 26, 2020, 07:23:09 PM
Have Mayo already received the 250k cheque? if so do they return it or use it for the illusive academy?
Isn't this a case of the Asses calling out the Donkey, just for the crime of being a bit of an Ass.
Mayo County Board will not be getting €250,000 in funding pledged by the international supporters group after cutting off dialogue with its chairman, millionaire businessman Tim O'Leary.
The funds were earmarked for the development of an underage academy, but the Irish Independent has learned they will instead be given to charities and used to buy equipment for the county's ladies football team.
My understanding was that this was fundraised money, not Tim O'Learys personal money.
In that case, the donors would have believed they were contributing to Mayo GAA. They may well be v pissed off that their money is not going where they expected
He needs to be chased down for that cash. It's ours.
Just proves the good of Mayo GAA was not his priority whilst it would of course of been welcomed but his ego is obviously a big part of this whole charade .
If it is not his own personal funds and it was raised by donors with the belief it was for the academy , there has to be an avenue mayo cb could go down to explore the possibility of receiving that cash .
But my initial thought is he will have this covered legally as he's obviously fairly shrewd with finance and the likes .
Could he say for example the mayo cb received x amount from him personally and he levelled that off with other monies ?
Amazing how we are the only county who could attract such an asshole money man .
AFAIK, the ISF was (is?) a registered not-for-profit organisation set up to organise funds for the development of an underage academy. I'm not an expert on New York law but it can't be much different to what we have here.
Fundraising for any event or organisation needs a licence to operate and the stated aims of the fundraising efforts must be clearly stated. IMO, that's very reasonable as those who donate to a particular cause need to know what their money will be used for.
I organised a weekly raffle for a local pitch & putt club and I had to inform the local garda supt. And give him the details, including the prize money on offer, the number of weekly tickets on sale etc.
No big deal and no problem with going ahead. I'd imagine Tim O'Leary had to do something similar, albeit on a grander scale.
That's why I feel certain that the county board must have been informed that the money was to be used for developing an academy or whatever. This is governance issues that O'Leary keeps referring to. He'd had to show his supporters and the regulatory authorities that the money raised was being used for the purposes intended.
O'Leary seems to be a bit of a loose cannon and it's hard to know what he actually told the CB but the board members should have known in advance that donations raised from the public at large must be accounted for.
Maybe Mayo will be better off without him but if things had been different, the money would certainly be welcome.
BTW, I read recently that the meeting scheduled to take place between O'Leary and HQ was called off because Tom Ryan insisted that the meeting take place at Jones's Road. O'Leary wanted to have the chat at his offices in Leeson Street where he could keep in contact with his business on Wall Street. That's what I read anyway.
It's hard to credit that the GAA would pull out of a meeting if what Timmy says is true but then you can't be sure he was telling the truth.
Quote from: J70 on February 26, 2020, 05:06:33 PM
Was just reading about this lad. I'd assumed he was some ex-pat made good abroad. Turns out he's a Londoner who supports England in the soccer and lives in the Bahamas. Nothing wrong with that (I've London-born and based cousins who go to some Donegal games), just the England support coupled with GAA obsession is unusual.
I'm Mancunian, said from day one it would end in disaster; The whole story surrounding him doesn't add up, he has no real interest in the GAA.
Quote from: larryin89 on February 28, 2020, 09:52:12 AM
Amazing how we are the only county who could attract such an asshole money man .
We had one of our own, albeit on a smaller scale.
Mindspace mayo receive 35 k from o Leary this morning
So the money given to charity instead. https://www.offtheball.com/football/mayo-tim-oleary-money-974772
Just read on Hoganstand that the Foundation was shutting down and had gifted €50,000 to the hospice.
Fair dues, good to see money go to some worthy charities in the County.
''it is an ill wind that blows nobody any good''
Nice write on him in 2012 - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165338/Euro-2012-England-fan-flashed-Diamanti-penalty-shootout-revealed-millionaire-businessman.html
Quote from: TheGreatest on March 03, 2020, 09:15:51 AM
Nice write on him in 2012 - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165338/Euro-2012-England-fan-flashed-Diamanti-penalty-shootout-revealed-millionaire-businessman.html
Does he have a heafty Langer?? 😂😂😂
Tim looking to get back involved with Mayo. With
https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2020/12/03/tim-oleary-to-tender-for-mayo-gaa-sponsorship-opportunity/
https://mobile.twitter.com/mayagaa_army/status/1335687549688442880
Tim.and co would be better concentrating on final.
Will timmy get a mention in Aidan O'Shea victory speech?
https://mobile.twitter.com/newportmayo1951/status/1338469459787456516?s=21
Only if Cluxton invites him up.