Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

[J70]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So your only objection is transwomen in women's sport?

Transmen fine? Transwomen fine outside of sports (and convicted rapists in prison)?

[jcpen]

So there's a "movement " out there of people wanting to chop their arms off so they too can be disabled??

Well there are people who identity as those things so what's your opinion on them?

I would hope you need a medical confirmation to back up your request for a disabled parking pass.

Aside from that I don't have much of an opinion at all.

Homosexuality was once officially written off as mental illness. Did you agree with that?

Find it strange you don't have an opinion on it. Do you think these people who identify as transabled for example should taken seriously?
Do you think it's genuine or a mental illness that person may have? It's a pretty simple question.

Like above RedHand88, I'm not sure what homosexuality has to do with trans anything, but to answer your question no I don't agree with homosexuality being considered a mental illness but then as I said it's a completely different topic to transgenderism or transabledism or transracialism...etc etc etc

[Armagh18]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So your only objection is transwomen in women's sport?

Transmen fine? Transwomen fine outside of sports (and convicted rapists in prison)?

Did you read my post? See bolded there...

[jcpen]

Yeah and in Scotland you don't have to chop anything off, you just say you are a woman now by "self identifying" and away you go

You'd have to wonder where it all stops. Now I'm not talking about people identifying as a tree ffs, but I mean if you identify as being disabled, and you feel you were born into the wrong body as an abled person, should you be allowed to claim disability for example? What difference is there to someone, a man for example,saying they were born into the wrong body and they feel they are female.?
It's no different is it? Or you identify as being black even though you were born into a white body.

Those that support these trans people( whatever trans you may be) do you have a point where you think a line has been crossed or should everything just be accepted? Once again I'm not talking about nutters who claim they identify as broccoli.

[Saffrongael]

It's all about "my truth" and "my lived experience" as Harry Windsor would say, nothing needs to be true anymore, just that you feel it is

[Milltown Row2]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So if its fine and does zero issues why be concerned, there are lots of people that take the piss out of systems.. You have men in sports that cheat in all manner of forms, but it sounds good though

[seafoid]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Sharing a dressing room with someone of the same sex is very different to doing so with someone of the opposite sex.

[Milltown Row2]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Sharing a dressing room with someone of the same sex is very different to doing so with someone of the opposite sex.

Have you been to any unisex changing rooms? they have an open bit and cubicles all around them and its ok, no one dies

[blanketattack]

Also, the excuse of how dangerous trans women would be in contact sports, well a peak Serena Williams would be stronger than 99% of trans women, does than mean any women (non-trans) of her strength should be banned as well out of 'safety concerns'?

[RedHand88]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So if its fine and does zero issues why be concerned, there are lots of people that take the piss out of systems.. You have men in sports that cheat in all manner of forms, but it sounds good though

Yes but they end up banned, not celebrated for cheating.

That is the difference.

[J70]

So there's a "movement " out there of people wanting to chop their arms off so they too can be disabled??

Well there are people who identity as those things so what's your opinion on them?

I would hope you need a medical confirmation to back up your request for a disabled parking pass.

Aside from that I don't have much of an opinion at all.

Homosexuality was once officially written off as mental illness. Did you agree with that?

Find it strange you don't have an opinion on it. Do you think these people who identify as transabled for example should taken seriously?
Do you think it's genuine or a mental illness that person may have? It's a pretty simple question.

Like above RedHand88, I'm not sure what homosexuality has to do with trans anything, but to answer your question no I don't agree with homosexuality being considered a mental illness but then as I said it's a completely different topic to transgenderism or transabledism or transracialism...etc etc etc

Why would you find it strange that I don't have an opinion on the "transabled".

I'm not sure I've ever heard before of someone being transabled, therefore I have no information to go on, which means any "opinion" I might have would be totally uninformed, ignorant and completely worthless.

The relevance of homosexuality being considered a mental illness is that is was considered just that, medically, until the 1970s. It was only decriminalized in Ireland 30 years ago FFS. Paisley was campaigning on "Save Ulster From Sodomy" just over 40 years ago. The AIDS epidemic was basically ignored when it first arose because it only affected themmuns i.e. gay people. Took until the 2000s for sodomy to be found legal in a Supreme Court decision in the US.

If you can't see the parallels...

[J70]

Also, the excuse of how dangerous trans women would be in contact sports, well a peak Serena Williams would be stronger than 99% of trans women, does than mean any women (non-trans) of her strength should be banned as well out of 'safety concerns'?

I brought up last week my own (at the time) 14 year old diminutive self being horsed out of it on the GAA field by lads who were a foot taller and three stone heavier. I'm sure many here have experienced the same.

Get up and get on with it was the option available.

[J70]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So your only objection is transwomen in women's sport?

Transmen fine? Transwomen fine outside of sports (and convicted rapists in prison)?

Did you read my post? See bolded there...

That makes you a bleeding heart liberal compared to some of the others here.

[jcpen]

Also, the excuse of how dangerous trans women would be in contact sports, well a peak Serena Williams would be stronger than 99% of trans women, does than mean any women (non-trans) of her strength should be banned as well out of 'safety concerns'?

I brought up last week my own (at the time) 14 year old diminutive self being horsed out of it on the GAA field by lads who were a foot taller and three stone heavier. I'm sure many here have experienced the same.

Get up and get on with it was the option available.

Such a poor argument(yours and blanketattack are equally poor)and in no way is it the same as your  14 year old daughter (if you have one, if not insert sister, niece etc) coming up against a foot taller 3 stone heavier biological male who identifies as a female.

[Armagh18]

"Imagine sharing a dressing room with them"
"Imagine sharing a communal shower with them"
"Imagine having to mark or tackle them"
"They're disgusting"

Regular comments from people 20+ years ago about gay people, regular comments today about trans people.

Completely different issues and comparing them/lumping both into the same category is making a mockery of the whole gay/lesbian rights movement. Whoever you are having sex with isn't gonna affect how fast you can run/how hard you can punch etc but if you've grown up as a man and suddenly decided you want chop bits off yourself and identify as a woman then no problem but that doesn't mean you should get access to womens changing rooms or be able to compete against them in sport.

Being gay/lesbian is fine- it does zero harm to other people. Being trans is fine- as long as it doesn't negatively affect other people especially through safety issues in sport.

Look at that rapist in Scotland who decided he was a woman after raping 2 women? Madness.

So your only objection is transwomen in women's sport?

Transmen fine? Transwomen fine outside of sports (and convicted rapists in prison)?

Did you read my post? See bolded there...

That makes you a bleeding heart liberal compared to some of the others here.

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