Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate

[sid waddell]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

They call themselves "one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society" but want to change the legal focus from sex to gender.
I wonder how it will pan out.

You think trans people are not one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society?

I wonder who is more marginalised -  a billionaire author, or a group which experiences some of, if not the highest suicide rates in society - rates of attempted suicide among trans people vary from 32% to 50% by country. I'd be surprised if any other identifiable group of people experienced such rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

[Taylor]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

Why? And why do you hope they lose their job?

Trying to throw Rowling under the bus just for publicity and sales

[sid waddell]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

Why? And why do you hope they lose their job?

Trying to throw Rowling under the bus just for publicity and sales

That's quite the take.

You sure you didn't mean to say Rowling was throwing trans people under the bus for publicity and sales?

Why should the person in charge of the Body Shop's social media account lose their job?

I thought proponents of this right-wing culture war claimed to be all about "free speech"? Of course proponents of the right-wing culture war are about anything but free speech. They're about cowing people into submission.

What expertise on this subject do Rowling or Linehan have, by the way?

[seafoid]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

They call themselves "one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society" but want to change the legal focus from sex to gender.
I wonder how it will pan out.

You think trans people are not one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society?

I wonder who is more marginalised -  a billionaire author, or a group which experiences some of, if not the highest suicide rates in society - rates of attempted suicide among trans people vary from 32% to 50% by country. I'd be surprised if any other identifiable group of people experienced such rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

Actual suicide rates are highest for poor middle-aged men. Itinerants live on average 15 years less than settled people.
Working class life expectancy is far lower than middle class.

A lot of people have difficult lives.

[sid waddell]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

They call themselves "one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society" but want to change the legal focus from sex to gender.
I wonder how it will pan out.

You think trans people are not one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society?

I wonder who is more marginalised -  a billionaire author, or a group which experiences some of, if not the highest suicide rates in society - rates of attempted suicide among trans people vary from 32% to 50% by country. I'd be surprised if any other identifiable group of people experienced such rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

Actual suicide rates are highest for poor middle-aged men. Itinerants live on average 15 years less than settled people.
Working class life expectancy is far lower than middle class.

A lot of people have difficult lives.

Please provide some statistics that show poor, middle aged men have higher suicide attempt rates than trans people.

A lot of people have difficult lives, and I would say that there is scarcely a trans person who ever existed that hasn't had a difficult life.

Seems some here are content that their lives should be made as difficult as possible.

[Taylor]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

Why? And why do you hope they lose their job?

Trying to throw Rowling under the bus just for publicity and sales

That's quite the take.

You sure you didn't mean to say Rowling was throwing trans people under the bus for publicity and sales?

Why should the person in charge of the Body Shop's social media account lose their job?

I thought proponents of this right-wing culture war claimed to be all about "free speech"? Of course proponents of the right-wing culture war are about anything but free speech. They're about cowing people into submission.

What expertise on this subject do Rowling or Linehan have, by the way?

Probably similar to yourself Sid.

Right wing culture war - you dont half talk some shite Sid.
Any points you normally make get lost in the shite you include in your posts - IMHO

[five points]

Rowling and Linehan are both woke lefties actually.

[sid waddell]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

Why? And why do you hope they lose their job?

Trying to throw Rowling under the bus just for publicity and sales

That's quite the take.

You sure you didn't mean to say Rowling was throwing trans people under the bus for publicity and sales?

Why should the person in charge of the Body Shop's social media account lose their job?

I thought proponents of this right-wing culture war claimed to be all about "free speech"? Of course proponents of the right-wing culture war are about anything but free speech. They're about cowing people into submission.

What expertise on this subject do Rowling or Linehan have, by the way?

Probably similar to yourself Sid.

Right wing culture war - you dont half talk some shite Sid.
Any points you normally make get lost in the shite you include in your posts - IMHO

If they have no expertise, why are they sticking their oar in on something they know sod all about?

I call what is going on a right-wing culture war because that's exactly what it is. Like, have you been asleep for the last five years as the reactionary war against any sort of progressive politics, expertise, fact or reason contaminates politics and the public sphere worldwide like a particularly malignant cancer?

Denigrating and ridiculing trans people is an integral part of the ongoing right-wing culture war.

Right-wing culture warriors shite on about stuff they know nothing about, then, when they face criticism for their stupid views, they laughably claim victimhood.

That's exactly what Rowling and Linehan have done. Self awareness: precisely zero.

[bennydorano]

Jesus Christ, an irony awareness indicator is required for this thread. Sid, you are guilty of everything you're accusing everyone else of.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

Is sid Syferus?

[trueblue1234]

Is sid Syferus?

I think Sid has more substance than Syferus ever had. Although both had the same confrontational technique and desire to get into a fight. Or as I said before acting like a c**k. 

[bennydorano]

Any wonder people ask wtf is going on when you remove the hyperbole and read what was actually written.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

[seafoid]

Whoever runs the social media arm of The Body Shop will be looking for new employment today I imagine - or at least I would hope so

They call themselves "one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society" but want to change the legal focus from sex to gender.
I wonder how it will pan out.

You think trans people are not one of the most marginalised and vulnerable groups in society?

I wonder who is more marginalised -  a billionaire author, or a group which experiences some of, if not the highest suicide rates in society - rates of attempted suicide among trans people vary from 32% to 50% by country. I'd be surprised if any other identifiable group of people experienced such rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

Actual suicide rates are highest for poor middle-aged men. Itinerants live on average 15 years less than settled people.
Working class life expectancy is far lower than middle class.

A lot of people have difficult lives.

Please provide some statistics that show poor, middle aged men have higher suicide attempt rates than trans people.

A lot of people have difficult lives, and I would say that there is scarcely a trans person who ever existed that hasn't had a difficult life.

Seems some here are content that their lives should be made as difficult as possible.

Suicide attempts don't tend to be followed statistically AFAIK Sid. It's deeply personal.
There aren't many middle aged trans either. Certainly not as many as cis unemployed males who are middle aged. It's the same numberswise regarding  trans vs women. There are more women.
  The trans movement in its current form is fairly young.

[sid waddell]

Jesus Christ, an irony awareness indicator is required for this thread. Sid, you are guilty of everything you're accusing everyone else of.

Really?

I thought it was just that I had a low tolerance for utter bullshit, but there you go.

[sid waddell]

Any wonder people ask wtf is going on when you remove the hyperbole and read what was actually written.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

That isn't an argument.

Anybody can say that they "respect trans rights". It's a vacuous statement. It's empty rhetoric because it's entirely centred on that person's view that they cannot possibly be wrong in what they are saying and makes no attempt whatsoever to acknowledge the actual views of trans people. Rowling, like Linehan, has proved over and over that she really doesn't respect those rights. Cherry picking a vacuous tweet or two doesn't change that one iota.

I mean Donald Trump can claim that he's not a racist, that doesn't mean it's true, he clearly is one.

Online abuse, reprehensible as it is, is totally irrelevant to the validity of any argument Rowling is making.