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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #240 on: January 25, 2023, 09:07:58 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common
Not in the stats. Trans is about changing gender. It's easy to do so it makes sense in prison where you get less overcrowding plus access to the henhouse.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #241 on: January 25, 2023, 09:28:03 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common

Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #242 on: January 25, 2023, 09:36:08 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #243 on: January 25, 2023, 09:42:02 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #244 on: January 25, 2023, 09:49:29 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common
Not in the stats. Trans is about changing gender. It's easy to do so it makes sense in prison where you get less overcrowding plus access to the henhouse.

You're a bad bad man, this made me laugh out loud at work.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #245 on: January 25, 2023, 09:55:54 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

Sex and Gender are 2 different things

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21#:~:text=The%20World%20Health%20Organisation%20regional,expression%2C%20and%20how%20they%20behave.

Sex and gender are terms that are often used interchangeably but they are in fact two different concepts, even though for many people their sex and gender are the same. This article will clarify the differences between sex and gender and why these differences are important to understand, especially in research and data collection. How and why sex and gender is important for SDGs and the principle of “leave no one behind” will be considered. It includes the UK government position on these concepts. ONS has done a lot of research and participated in discussions to understand these terms.


2.Definitions and differences
The UK government defines sex as:

referring to the biological aspects of an individual as determined by their anatomy, which is produced by their chromosomes, hormones and their interactions

generally male or female

something that is assigned at birth

The UK government defines gender as:

a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity; gender identity is a personal, internal perception of oneself and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth

where an individual may see themselves as a man, a woman, as having no gender, or as having a non-binary gender – where people identify as somewhere on a spectrum between man and woman

The World Health Organisation regional office for Europe describes sex as characteristics that are biologically defined, whereas gender is based on socially constructed features. They recognise that there are variations in how people experience gender based upon self-perception and expression, and how they behave.

Essentially, nearly all people are born with physical characteristics that are labelled male or female. In 1964, Robert Stoller1 coined the term gender identity, which refers to an individual’s personal concept about their gender and how they feel inside. It is a deeply held internal sense of self and is typically self-identified. Gender identity differs from sexual identity and is not related to an individual’s sexual orientation (for more information, see the Terminology page of the Gender Identity Research and Education Society). As such, the gender category with which a person identifies may not match the sex they were assigned at birth.

Gender is increasingly understood as not binary but on a spectrum. Growing numbers of people are identifying as somewhere along a continuum between man and woman, or as non-gendered (neither man nor woman) (see Gender Spectrum). Therefore, they often have their own words to describe themselves rather than using pre-defined categories of male and female (for more information, see Gender Identity Workshop, Summary of Discussions). While more people are identifying as non-binary, this is not a new concept and has existed for many years across different cultures around the world.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #246 on: January 25, 2023, 10:16:17 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

Sex and Gender are 2 different things

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/environmentalaccounts/articles/whatisthedifferencebetweensexandgender/2019-02-21#:~:text=The%20World%20Health%20Organisation%20regional,expression%2C%20and%20how%20they%20behave.

Sex and gender are terms that are often used interchangeably but they are in fact two different concepts, even though for many people their sex and gender are the same. This article will clarify the differences between sex and gender and why these differences are important to understand, especially in research and data collection. How and why sex and gender is important for SDGs and the principle of “leave no one behind” will be considered. It includes the UK government position on these concepts. ONS has done a lot of research and participated in discussions to understand these terms.


2.Definitions and differences
The UK government defines sex as:

referring to the biological aspects of an individual as determined by their anatomy, which is produced by their chromosomes, hormones and their interactions

generally male or female

something that is assigned at birth

The UK government defines gender as:

a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity; gender identity is a personal, internal perception of oneself and so the gender category someone identifies with may not match the sex they were assigned at birth

where an individual may see themselves as a man, a woman, as having no gender, or as having a non-binary gender – where people identify as somewhere on a spectrum between man and woman

The World Health Organisation regional office for Europe describes sex as characteristics that are biologically defined, whereas gender is based on socially constructed features. They recognise that there are variations in how people experience gender based upon self-perception and expression, and how they behave.

Essentially, nearly all people are born with physical characteristics that are labelled male or female. In 1964, Robert Stoller1 coined the term gender identity, which refers to an individual’s personal concept about their gender and how they feel inside. It is a deeply held internal sense of self and is typically self-identified. Gender identity differs from sexual identity and is not related to an individual’s sexual orientation (for more information, see the Terminology page of the Gender Identity Research and Education Society). As such, the gender category with which a person identifies may not match the sex they were assigned at birth.

Gender is increasingly understood as not binary but on a spectrum. Growing numbers of people are identifying as somewhere along a continuum between man and woman, or as non-gendered (neither man nor woman) (see Gender Spectrum). Therefore, they often have their own words to describe themselves rather than using pre-defined categories of male and female (for more information, see Gender Identity Workshop, Summary of Discussions). While more people are identifying as non-binary, this is not a new concept and has existed for many years across different cultures around the world.

Ok then your sex is your sex. If you are a man then you a man. Calling yourself a woman is denying science. Arguing over my use of the terms doesn't negate science.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #247 on: January 25, 2023, 10:28:50 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

science is always questioned or else we would still believe the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun and other stars rotate around it

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #248 on: January 25, 2023, 10:33:25 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

science is always questioned or else we would still believe the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun and other stars rotate around it

Ack ffs
Cool. There is no such thing as sex.

 

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #249 on: January 25, 2023, 10:34:34 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

science is always questioned or else we would still believe the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun and other stars rotate around it

Ack ffs
Cool. There is no such thing as sex.

Not what I said is it?

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #250 on: January 25, 2023, 10:41:13 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

science is always questioned or else we would still believe the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun and other stars rotate around it

Ack ffs
Cool. There is no such thing as sex.

Not what I said is it?

You are saying we can question the science around male and female sexes. Is that right?

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #251 on: January 25, 2023, 10:45:41 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

science is always questioned or else we would still believe the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun and other stars rotate around it

Ack ffs
Cool. There is no such thing as sex.

Not what I said is it?

You are saying we can question the science around male and female sexes. Is that right?

I am saying you can question science. That's how scientific discoveries are made. That is all. This debate is not one I want to get in to. I am supportive of trans people but recognise people aren't which is fair enough and their choice but I hate to see people being bigoted and transphobic about it

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #252 on: January 25, 2023, 11:32:58 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?
Trans is a culture war. There is no scientific basis upon which a man can become a woman.
The idea is to polarise debate and prevent political change. Guns are exactly the same in the US.
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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #253 on: January 25, 2023, 11:40:20 AM »
Unsurprisingly he's all over it. A similar situation in Ohio highlighted as well
https://reduxx.info/trans-identified-male-accused-in-jailhouse-rape-of-female-cellmate/

Surely if you are a rapists then you are a rapists regardless of gender? Rapists and the like have used the cover of many guises to be in a better position to carry these things out? That's fairly common


Surely if you have a penis your gender is male? And if you have a vagina it is female?
The denial of science is very worrying. Where does the madness end?
I think if you deny the science you are a bigot or something

That is the problem with this debate. Anyone who questions basic science is a hateful bigot.
I don't have a problem with how people dress or the like but their gender is their gender. It is science. Are we questioning science? Is everything we know to be scientifically true up for debate because "feelings"?

science is always questioned or else we would still believe the earth is the centre of the universe and the sun and other stars rotate around it

Ack ffs
Cool. There is no such thing as sex.

Not what I said is it?

You are saying we can question the science around male and female sexes. Is that right?

I am saying you can question science. That's how scientific discoveries are made. That is all. This debate is not one I want to get in to. I am supportive of trans people but recognise people aren't which is fair enough and their choice but I hate to see people being bigoted and transphobic about it

If we threw away or lost all these facts around Sex they would all come back the same in 1000 years. The same scientific tests would be true.
This question everything attitude leads people to Covid isn't real, Finland doesn't exist and a giant paedophile ring runs the world. Some science is true and people need to accept that.

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Re: Graham Linehan on Twitter / Trans debate
« Reply #254 on: January 25, 2023, 12:21:25 PM »
A culture war. Wise up ffs