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dec

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #3825 on: March 03, 2023, 10:59:02 PM »
I see Jon Tonge has produced another survey that is just pure bollocks. Unfortunately these polls and surveys will be taken seriously and will influence  a future SoS on the need for a referendum or not. The guy has a responsibility to actually produce serious surveys and polls that are reflective of the population and not the toilet paper ones he keeps coming up with. The link will show parties disliked by the non nationalist/ unionist voters. This can be proved to be absolute nonsense by actually looking at transfers of these voters in ACTUAL elections.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/majority-of-middle-ground-say-ni-should-remain-as-an-integral-part-of-the-uk-poll/903311698.html

From the article "Some 57% rarely or never vote, with 38% always or sometimes voting."

So you probably can't use "transfers of these voters in ACTUAL elections."

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #3826 on: March 03, 2023, 11:16:08 PM »
40% of everyone doesn't vote and that's on a good day. I think it's fair enough then when we are looking at non unionist non nationalists to look at the alliance and green voting patterns. If you are familiar with Jon and his polls then you know they are w**k, he often has support for UI around 30% and often when questioned admits the pro UI figure is low (so what's the point then). The problem is these figures are then used as gospel by the usual suspects. It's similar to the Nilt surveys that have SF support in the teens and UI support around 25% are used as proof that no border poll is required. Quite frankly polls like ths as much of a joke as they are are being used and manipulated and really should be vetted more. Nolan questioned the integrity of lucid talks Bill white despite their accurate correlation with election results but gives these other charlatans a bye

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Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« Reply #3828 on: March 05, 2023, 02:10:12 PM »
NI in all its glory

https://twitter.com/craigyboy321/status/1632113801439870976?s=46&t=Z3KW3Rw04beopUDsdM2Hwg

This guy is actually arguing with data, which is a marked improvement on most tweets defending NI.
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