The official Everton FC Supporters thread

Started by boojangles, January 06, 2009, 02:10:53 PM

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imtommygunn


trailer


Armamike

Quote from: lurganblue on January 23, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
Even saw a link with Stevie G there. Times are bad at the toffees

The final nail in the coffin in that case!

Need to get Dyche in asap to steady the ship. 
That's just, like your opinion man.

gawa316


seafoid

"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

laoislad

Quote from: Armamike on January 23, 2023, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 23, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
Even saw a link with Stevie G there. Times are bad at the toffees

The final nail in the coffin in that case!

Need to get Dyche in asap to steady the ship.
Wait and see the f**kers will get that new manager bounce against Liverpool in a few weeks.
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

johnnycool

Quote from: laoislad on January 23, 2023, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 23, 2023, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 23, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
Even saw a link with Stevie G there. Times are bad at the toffees

The final nail in the coffin in that case!

Need to get Dyche in asap to steady the ship.
Wait and see the f**kers will get that new manager bounce against Liverpool in a few weeks.

As much as Liverpool aren't pulling up trees at the minute that would be some bounce.

Look-Up!

Quote from: johnnycool on January 23, 2023, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 23, 2023, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 23, 2023, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 23, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
Even saw a link with Stevie G there. Times are bad at the toffees

The final nail in the coffin in that case!

Need to get Dyche in asap to steady the ship.
Wait and see the f**kers will get that new manager bounce against Liverpool in a few weeks.

As much as Liverpool aren't pulling up trees at the minute that would be some bounce.
If you use their wage bill as a gauge they're definitely due a huge bounce. Obviously it might not all be Lampard's fault but you'd be hard pressed to do a worse job with them.

Look-Up!

Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 16, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Getting relegated for Everton may be the best thing to happen to them, for their long term development.  It seems the constant dicing with relegation and staying up by the skin of their teeth, isn't enough to bring about change.  Maybe they need to hit rock bottom.

I'd say there's a concern that they do a Sunderland, and drop down a few leagues and struggle to get back up.
Yeah I think Sunderland's big problem was they hadn't relegation clauses written into some of their over inflated salary packages. Jack Rodwell in particular bled them dry in their championship season and they dropped again.
So it's not always so simple to drop a level and simply reset. For a club like Everton, a permanent fixture in the PL, the notion of putting a relegation clause into a contract might be very alien. If you have grossly underperforming players on bloated contracts and they do drop, they simply will not take a wage cut and leave the club. And no sane PL club will match the contract. So depending on circumstances, rock bottom might not always be where you think it is. 

johnnycool

Quote from: Look-Up! on January 23, 2023, 04:25:04 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 23, 2023, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 23, 2023, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 23, 2023, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on January 23, 2023, 02:11:27 PM
Even saw a link with Stevie G there. Times are bad at the toffees

The final nail in the coffin in that case!

Need to get Dyche in asap to steady the ship.
Wait and see the f**kers will get that new manager bounce against Liverpool in a few weeks.

As much as Liverpool aren't pulling up trees at the minute that would be some bounce.
If you use their wage bill as a gauge they're definitely due a huge bounce. Obviously it might not all be Lampard's fault but you'd be hard pressed to do a worse job with them.

Some truth in that as Lampards win percentages was something like 27% and he'd taken over from Ancelotti who was on 46% with a similar team.

trailer

Quote from: Look-Up! on January 23, 2023, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 16, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Getting relegated for Everton may be the best thing to happen to them, for their long term development.  It seems the constant dicing with relegation and staying up by the skin of their teeth, isn't enough to bring about change.  Maybe they need to hit rock bottom.

I'd say there's a concern that they do a Sunderland, and drop down a few leagues and struggle to get back up.
Yeah I think Sunderland's big problem was they hadn't relegation clauses written into some of their over inflated salary packages. Jack Rodwell in particular bled them dry in their championship season and they dropped again.
So it's not always so simple to drop a level and simply reset. For a club like Everton, a permanent fixture in the PL, the notion of putting a relegation clause into a contract might be very alien. If you have grossly underperforming players on bloated contracts and they do drop, they simply will not take a wage cut and leave the club. And no sane PL club will match the contract. So depending on circumstances, rock bottom might not always be where you think it is.

He honoured his contract. I don't think it is fair to blame him. Clubs are ruthless and cut many people loose after relegation and when they turn 18 / 19 loads of players are released. He signed the contract in good faith and honoured it. Sunderland were happy to play a Adam Johnson to keep them up when it suited them.
If Everton don't have relegation clauses they may get onto the players agents to get them shipped on because they're going down.

imtommygunn

Let's be honest he's been shit. Lucky enough last year - good win against Chelsea I think bailed us out.

There's a lot going on with board level too in his defense but he has not done a good job.

Benitez got hammered due to who he was but probably was better.

J70

Lampard, like Gerrard, needs to properly earn his way up the chain to the Premier League, either by being manager lower down the chain, or working under someone in the PL.

Neither would have gotten anywhere near the jobs they had if not for their previous status as elite-level players.

Look-Up!

Quote from: trailer on January 23, 2023, 05:06:18 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on January 23, 2023, 04:58:52 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 16, 2023, 02:44:33 PM
Quote from: Armamike on January 16, 2023, 02:27:34 PM
Getting relegated for Everton may be the best thing to happen to them, for their long term development.  It seems the constant dicing with relegation and staying up by the skin of their teeth, isn't enough to bring about change.  Maybe they need to hit rock bottom.

I'd say there's a concern that they do a Sunderland, and drop down a few leagues and struggle to get back up.
Yeah I think Sunderland's big problem was they hadn't relegation clauses written into some of their over inflated salary packages. Jack Rodwell in particular bled them dry in their championship season and they dropped again.
So it's not always so simple to drop a level and simply reset. For a club like Everton, a permanent fixture in the PL, the notion of putting a relegation clause into a contract might be very alien. If you have grossly underperforming players on bloated contracts and they do drop, they simply will not take a wage cut and leave the club. And no sane PL club will match the contract. So depending on circumstances, rock bottom might not always be where you think it is.

He honoured his contract. I don't think it is fair to blame him. Clubs are ruthless and cut many people loose after relegation and when they turn 18 / 19 loads of players are released. He signed the contract in good faith and honoured it. Sunderland were happy to play a Adam Johnson to keep them up when it suited them.
If Everton don't have relegation clauses they may get onto the players agents to get them shipped on because they're going down.
It's not a case of blaming, more a case of pointing out a situation a club can find themselves in. He refused to play in championship even though there was apparently nothing physically wrong with him. Think manager at the time said mentally he was in the wrong place. The ifs and buts are irrelevant though, Sunderland had a player they were paying 80K a week (the wages of a full team in that league), he wouldn't play and they couldn't sign cover because they were hamstrung with their wage bill.
And if Everton find themselves in a similar boat, it won't matter one bit what they tell the agents. A player has to agree to a move, and if he is on a long term contract and the new move is a much lesser contract, he will simply stay put. They have a lot of players on 100-120K contracts so relegation could get very messy if they can't shift them.

quit yo jibbajabba

Has Dyche written all over it. Or saw someone mentioning Hassenhutel (sp) which i thought wasnt a bad shout