GAA crowds

[Saffrongael]

Insurance will go through the roof after the 10th ACL in a team who train on a synthetic pitch.

I've my doubts about 3G/4G pitches and ACL's as well, but have you any evidence on this?

It's not really in any doubt when it comes to the NFL for example, obviously different game etc but the players absolutely hate artificial pitches. Much harder on the body

[tiempo]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

[Cavan19]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

[Dreadnought]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

Probably you are right, but think we need to hold fire a wee bit and let these 2 tiers settle. The current ones are still washing out the way it should work properly. It'll take a fews more seasons to settle, and when it becomes apparent where the lines of 3 tiers lie, then set a separation for a number of years time and work toward them with rankings or such, not the arbitrary way they did it here.

[tiempo]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

How many 'freak' results would it take - should Wickla not be allowed to bet Westmead?

[Cavan19]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

How many 'freak' results would it take - should Wickla not be allowed to bet Westmead?

"Wicklow" or Waterford haven't even a hope of winning the Tallthin cup and would be more beneficial for them to be in a third tier competition.

[tiempo]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

How many 'freak' results would it take - should Wickla not be allowed to bet Westmead?

"Wicklow" or Waterford haven't even a hope of winning the Tallthin cup and would be more beneficial for them to be in a third tier competition.

And no-one would have given Cavan a hope of winning the Covid Ulster (except Mickey Harte) but they did

There's 16 teams who won't win the Tailteann, they might not all have the goal of winning it, they of course want to get as far as possible but some could be targeting a quarter final or semi-finals as a real sign of progress, to bounce from into next year and beyond

Leave that race to the bottom mentality for hurling with its 5 tier nonsence

[full moon]

For me the tier stuff falls down as there is such a huge gap between Dublin alone now and the others. I reckon it will be a long long time before another team retains the All Ireland that isn't called Dublin.

[Cavan19]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

How many 'freak' results would it take - should Wickla not be allowed to bet Westmead?

"Wicklow" or Waterford haven't even a hope of winning the Tallthin cup and would be more beneficial for them to be in a third tier competition.

And no-one would have given Cavan a hope of winning the Covid Ulster (except Mickey Harte) but they did

There's 16 teams who won't win the Tailteann, they might not all have the goal of winning it, they of course want to get as far as possible but some could be targeting a quarter final or semi-finals as a real sign of progress, to bounce from into next year and beyond

Leave that race to the bottom mentality for hurling with its 5 tier nonsence

Why not they were in the Final in 2019 so it was not a big step to come back the following year and go on and win it.

[tiempo]

Still can't work out why we don't have an All Ireland Senior, Intermediate and Junior Championship.  Works a treat at club level where every trophy is hard fought and cherished. It would deliver lots more meaningful, evenly contested and attractive games.
Everything else adds to the issue: ticket prices; state of grounds; tv coverage; other sports etc.
The quality of the product is an issue with the coaches, not the rules.
And how many people even knew Monaghan were playing Cavan on Sunday - it just crept up.

There are 3 grades, Kilkenny won the Junior in 2022 and didn't take their promotion the wa*ks, NY won it last year with a team of homegrown Yanks. Going back to the previous format loads of counites opted out, Kerry cleverly used it as a bridge between their minor and Senior setups, a lot of the Kerry lads would have AI's at Junior level. The reason not to split Sam / Tailteann into a further third tier (which I think would have been your point) was provided last weekend by Wickla and Waterford, 2 tiers is plenty

I wouldn't say 2 tiers is plenty and a couple of freak results doesn't change that.

How many 'freak' results would it take - should Wickla not be allowed to bet Westmead?

"Wicklow" or Waterford haven't even a hope of winning the Tallthin cup and would be more beneficial for them to be in a third tier competition.

And no-one would have given Cavan a hope of winning the Covid Ulster (except Mickey Harte) but they did

There's 16 teams who won't win the Tailteann, they might not all have the goal of winning it, they of course want to get as far as possible but some could be targeting a quarter final or semi-finals as a real sign of progress, to bounce from into next year and beyond

Leave that race to the bottom mentality for hurling with its 5 tier nonsence

Why not they were in the Final in 2019 so it was not a big step to come back the following year and go on and win it.

A couple of freak results some might say 

[full moon]

GAA are getting called out for the lack of tickets for sale outside grounds and only with the multiple apps. Some of us have been saying that for years, it disincentives the elderly. You need to make it as easy as possible to attend matches.

Alarm bells should be ringing with 4k in Pairce Ui Caoimh for Cork in a championship match, thats barely 10% of capacity. Not much point in all the stadiums if you price out and turn off the crowds. The Clones attendance wasn't as bad but I'm not shocked either. What we really need is some journalists etc to put some analysis and stats on the stark decline in attendances in last 5-10 years, whats alarming is it's getting worse not better. Many supporters have thrown in the towel or can't afford it.

[Rossfan]

When did Cork v Limerick (fball of course) ever get more than 4k?

[johnnycool]

GAA are getting called out for the lack of tickets for sale outside grounds and only with the multiple apps. Some of us have been saying that for years, it disincentives the elderly. You need to make it as easy as possible to attend matches.

Alarm bells should be ringing with 4k in Pairce Ui Caoimh for Cork in a championship match, thats barely 10% of capacity. Not much point in all the stadiums if you price out and turn off the crowds. The Clones attendance wasn't as bad but I'm not shocked either. What we really need is some journalists etc to put some analysis and stats on the stark decline in attendances in last 5-10 years, whats alarming is it's getting worse not better. Many supporters have thrown in the towel or can't afford it.

De Cork lads are saving up for the hurling. Four big games in Munster in the next 2 months is the priority.

If they don't get out of Munster then some will start to follow the round robin football as up to that point all the football is arsé boxing.

[full moon]

When did Cork v Limerick (fball of course) ever get more than 4k?

That's fair if it wasn't in a 45,000 stadium. GAA are building bigger stadiums as the crowds dwindle away.

The truth is only a few of the well supported Northern teams that are going well are totally papering over the cracks especially in football crowds.

[Eire90]

a number of factors probably at play weather competitiveness of games and competitions lack of real jeopardy cost of living lack of promotion other sports activities.