East wall #Irelandisfull

[Milltown Row2]

Is it fair to say that people from poorer backgrounds commit crimes? So if you come to a country with just the shirt on your back, you will more than likely will be in a bracket of people that will commit crime to just live.

Get people registered  or removed.. Once they are registered they can contribute and grow the economy, plenty of work about

Its down to the governments (that you vote in) to put the infrastructure in place to deal with the every changing landscape

The attitude of we are full pull up the ladder, is daft, embrace the various opportunities of a diverse culture and deal with crimes that will also happen.

All the gurning will not change that.

Ask yourself, would you stay in a country that provides a poor way of life for your family or try and move to a country to better it?

[ThomasMullan]

By the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.

And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.

Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.

I don't have statistics, indeed I wouldn't even know where to look. All I have to offer is years of observations, a better-than-average memory, and a wariness of people whose belief systems fool them into portraying complex situations as black and white choices.

Right so [citation needed] then, the above is a load of waffle.

And yet calling that out is seen as "tarring everyone as racists" or something similar.

Well, in another thread ThomasMullan told someone that he "wasn't doing their research for them", so the above is a bit rich from him.

The big difference being I am asking him to back up a statement already made with figures.

[burdizzo]

For Netherlands:

"Compared to Dutch citizens arrested for the same crimes and with similar criminal records, foreign
nationals are more likely to have their cases referred to court, to be detained, convicted, and imprisoned. The interviews identified several mechanisms that explicate these differences, including (i) annoyance when foreign nationals are perceived to be in the country for the purpose of committing
crime; (ii) logistical issues when noncitizens do not have a permanent residence, and; (iii) undermining the need for reintegration because many defendants are unlikely to remain in the Netherlands."

Light & Wermink. The Criminal Case Processing of Foreign Nationals in the Netherlands

Department of Sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706, USA and Department of Criminology, Institute for Criminal Law and Criminology, Leiden University, PO Box 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands. European Sociological Review, 2020, 1–17

Seems like foreign nationals are more likely to be prosecuted when they commit crime than locals. That's not the same as foreign nationals being more likely to commit crimes.

Ridiculous assertion. Dutch people were not even in the top 20 in a chart for origin of suspects for offences in 2022. Leading the way was Angola at 3.5%, Somalia at 3.4%, etc., all the way down to Bulgaria, the only representative from Europe, at 1.8%.

[whitey]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

[ThomasMullan]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.

See:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html

Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.

[whitey]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.

See:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html

Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.

100% agree

Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)

[Eire90]

Elon musk to pay court fees for anyone that finds themselves in court under new hate speech law irish establishment are now freaking out

[ThomasMullan]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.

See:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html

Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.

100% agree

Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)

The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.

And yes they should be deported. 

[ThomasMullan]

Elon musk to pay court fees for anyone that finds themselves in court under new hate speech law irish establishment are now freaking out

You want to give it a shot and see if Elon turns up with the cheque book?

[whitey]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.

See:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html

Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.

100% agree

Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)

The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.

And yes they should be deported. 

Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden


If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's  facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it

And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp

" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"

[Milltown Row2]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.

See:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html

Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.

100% agree

Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)

The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.

And yes they should be deported. 

Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden


If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's  facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it

And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp

" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"

Knew about this before and watched a film about it, can't recall it being immigrants or refugees involved?

Is this new information whitey?

[burdizzo]

My goodness. They were Asian grooming gangs. Did you miss that entirely?!

[burdizzo]

Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden


If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's  facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it

And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp

" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"

Eamon's obscure white paper from Sweden was hopelessly out of date. The others he cited were straightforward obfuscations.

[whitey]

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp

Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution

Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.

See:

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html

Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.

100% agree

Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)

The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.

And yes they should be deported. 

Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden


If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's  facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it

And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp

" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"

Knew about this before and watched a film about it, can't recall it being immigrants or refugees involved?

Is this new information whitey?

No

Here's the report on what happened in Telford

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2022/07/12/depraved-brothers-led-telford-paedophile-ring-that-groomed-and-prostituted-young-girls/

[whitey]

https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/16/rochdale-grooming-gang-ringleaders-may-never-be-deported-18789945/amp/

Two ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang 'may remain in the UK forever' despite being ordered out of the country 11 years ago.