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[The arrogance of some on this thread is quite astounding.]

The point is if a cyclist is an idiot (of which clearly there are some) they are moving at relatively low speed on a machine weighing under 10kgs. If a motorist is an idiot he is likely in a machine weighing enough to maim, crush, kill someone should they hit a cyclist. The arrogance of some on this thread is quite astounding.

I agree. Cyclists are very arrogant.
Especially the lycra clad knobs.

Righto

The point is if a cyclist is an idiot (of which clearly there are some) they are moving at relatively low speed on a machine weighing under 10kgs. If a motorist is an idiot he is likely in a machine weighing enough to maim, crush, kill someone should they hit a cyclist. The arrogance of some on this thread is quite astounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fKof31u-2o

Is that Hardy or Wobbler in the aul Peugeot ?

Jesus! A lot of anger on this thread.... get a bit of perspective, nearly 70 people died on the roads last year, bad driving, drunk driving, texting or on phone.... drivers would need to get their act together

exactly - start with the morons on phones before worrying about cyclists i'd suggest.

Plenty of cyclists use their phone to text and whatever whilst cycling.

Well they shouldnt. Doesnt make it right for a motorist to make or take a call. A car is essentially a lethal weapon.

Have you ever broken a red light when out for a cycle?

Not once, as i dont fancy getting cut in 2 by whatever is coming out of the light that is on green

Jesus! A lot of anger on this thread.... get a bit of perspective, nearly 70 people died on the roads last year, bad driving, drunk driving, texting or on phone.... drivers would need to get their act together

exactly - start with the morons on phones before worrying about cyclists i'd suggest.

Plenty of cyclists use their phone to text and whatever whilst cycling.

Well they shouldnt. Doesnt make it right for a motorist to make or take a call. A car is essentially a lethal weapon.

Jesus! A lot of anger on this thread.... get a bit of perspective, nearly 70 people died on the roads last year, bad driving, drunk driving, texting or on phone.... drivers would need to get their act together

exactly - start with the morons on phones before worrying about cyclists i'd suggest.

Part of the driving test should be to do 50 hrs on a bike over a month or so. Get some perspective on how much of an asshole some people behind a wheel actually are.
Cycling clubs are perfectly entitled to ride 2 a breast and how often does their peleton actually become bigger than say an articulated truck. Are we clamouring for trucks to be removed from the road ?

I've  got big into fitness and keeping myself in shape the last few years. Would prefer the running above all else but have a bike at home that I take out on occasion. I've got more abuse off other cyclists than I have off car drivers.
Stopped at a red light one evening and this tour de France wannabe gives me an earful for stopping as he nearly went into the back of me, he then just sped off through the red light before I could answer him.
I wouldn't be a fan of wearing lycra so maybe he didn't like the running shorts and Liverpool Jersey I was wearing. I'm sure he had a Strava segment that he just had to beat at the time...f**k the red light.

Well in fairness LL that guy was a gobshite. On the road follow the rules - give respect and get respect.

Part of the driving test should be to do 50 hrs on a bike over a month or so. Get some perspective on how much of an asshole some people behind a wheel actually are.
Cycling clubs are perfectly entitled to ride 2 a breast and how often does their peleton actually become bigger than say an articulated truck. Are we clamouring for trucks to be removed from the road ?

Do trucks travel at 15-20mph??

No therefore the cyclists at 15-20mph must be easier and quicker to overtake

Part of the driving test should be to do 50 hrs on a bike over a month or so. Get some perspective on how much of an asshole some people behind a wheel actually are.
Cycling clubs are perfectly entitled to ride 2 a breast and how often does their peleton actually become bigger than say an articulated truck. Are we clamouring for trucks to be removed from the road ?

....however I would be in favour it being compulsory for all cyclists (say over the age of 16 to avoid kiddies on stabilisers) to have adequate insurance.  Cycling Ireland do offer insurance through their membership.  Most club cyclists will be but there is a huge amount of leisure cyclists out there who aren't.  I'd even consider compulsory membership of CI for all bike users and give CI more responsibility for ensuring cyclists are aware of their responsibilities on the road.

OK fess up time, as you may have guessed, I do a bit of cycling but I'm just making the point that the "all cyclists are pricks and cnuts" attitude can be challenged.

What would the point of Insurance be- whenever they do cause accidents or thump the side/roof of your car causing damage on narrow country roads they just ride on and there is no way of identifying them.
One incident I was involved in was were after pulling out of the lane of my own house on a narrow country road and sitting  behind a cyclist for about 1/2 mile. During this 1/2 mile the fellow had about 4 places that he could have pulled into and allowed me pass. I politely beeped as I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he did not hear me. He then preceded to give me and my father a tirade of abuse and sat bang in the middle of the road for about 1 & 1/2 miles. I eventually  passed him and jumped out of the car (calmly) to ask him what the problem was. The first thing that came out of his mouth was ' I'll have your house, your car the whole lot if you come near me' as he ride on. I had no intention of touching him but just wanted to find out what his problem was. Brave fella. Protected by his an anonymity but knew were I lived and would have had a number plate, etc.

And this is not one isolated incident with just this lad been a t@sser. Another brave lycra head followed my mother up into the yard and thumped and banged at the car roof. Called the police couldn't do a thing as there is no way of identifying these cowards and by the time police would react they are long gone. And then have the cheek to come crying victim when something happens. Several other incidents like this on our road.

In my opinion, there is a large majority of the lycra brigade who treat other road users like this, as woe betide you would affect their time trials.   All about the stats you know.

The could have pulled in and allowed you to pass ? I'm baffled. Why should he ? What was your rush?

What a pathetic response. Yes why let someone pass? They might be transporting a sick child* or pregnant woman to hospital. Or on their way to an appointment or work. The list goes on but you can be rest assured the driver of the car has something more important to be at that than the useless cnut on the bike.

*Someone I know had a neighbour call round giving off that they were on their way to an out of hours appointment with their baby when they got stuck in a massive tailback due to their son in laws cycling club. Needless to say not one cyclist made any attempt to give way. When he confronted the son in law about it, the response was a shrug of the shoulders.

Clearly lots of petrol heads on this thread. Their time more important than anyone elses.

that said not all 4x4 drivers are twats. Audi's Smartcars and Range rovers usually are though.

[Why should he]

....however I would be in favour it being compulsory for all cyclists (say over the age of 16 to avoid kiddies on stabilisers) to have adequate insurance.  Cycling Ireland do offer insurance through their membership.  Most club cyclists will be but there is a huge amount of leisure cyclists out there who aren't.  I'd even consider compulsory membership of CI for all bike users and give CI more responsibility for ensuring cyclists are aware of their responsibilities on the road.

OK fess up time, as you may have guessed, I do a bit of cycling but I'm just making the point that the "all cyclists are pricks and cnuts" attitude can be challenged.

What would the point of Insurance be- whenever they do cause accidents or thump the side/roof of your car causing damage on narrow country roads they just ride on and there is no way of identifying them.
One incident I was involved in was were after pulling out of the lane of my own house on a narrow country road and sitting  behind a cyclist for about 1/2 mile. During this 1/2 mile the fellow had about 4 places that he could have pulled into and allowed me pass. I politely beeped as I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he did not hear me. He then preceded to give me and my father a tirade of abuse and sat bang in the middle of the road for about 1 & 1/2 miles. I eventually  passed him and jumped out of the car (calmly) to ask him what the problem was. The first thing that came out of his mouth was ' I'll have your house, your car the whole lot if you come near me' as he ride on. I had no intention of touching him but just wanted to find out what his problem was. Brave fella. Protected by his an anonymity but knew were I lived and would have had a number plate, etc.

And this is not one isolated incident with just this lad been a t@sser. Another brave lycra head followed my mother up into the yard and thumped and banged at the car roof. Called the police couldn't do a thing as there is no way of identifying these cowards and by the time police would react they are long gone. And then have the cheek to come crying victim when something happens. Several other incidents like this on our road.

In my opinion, there is a large majority of the lycra brigade who treat other road users like this, as woe betide you would affect their time trials.   All about the stats you know.

The could have pulled in and allowed you to pass ? I'm baffled. Why should he ? What was your rush?

You're right of course..why should he let them pass.
Like why would I let the old man behind me in the queue ahead of me when I have a full trolly of shopping and he only has a loaf of bread..Or why would you hold the door open for someone..Or let someone out of a junction in slow moving traffic..
Its called manners..
So yeah you may ask why should he pull over..I'll ask you why wouldn't he pull over? Where is the harm in not being a p***k?

Because quite simply within a minute or so he would be able to pass. Drivers think they have the right to pass cyclists with close passes left right and centre yet the same 4x4 driving twats will slow to a crawl for someone on a horse. Whats the difference ?

....however I would be in favour it being compulsory for all cyclists (say over the age of 16 to avoid kiddies on stabilisers) to have adequate insurance.  Cycling Ireland do offer insurance through their membership.  Most club cyclists will be but there is a huge amount of leisure cyclists out there who aren't.  I'd even consider compulsory membership of CI for all bike users and give CI more responsibility for ensuring cyclists are aware of their responsibilities on the road.

OK fess up time, as you may have guessed, I do a bit of cycling but I'm just making the point that the "all cyclists are pricks and cnuts" attitude can be challenged.

What would the point of Insurance be- whenever they do cause accidents or thump the side/roof of your car causing damage on narrow country roads they just ride on and there is no way of identifying them.
One incident I was involved in was were after pulling out of the lane of my own house on a narrow country road and sitting  behind a cyclist for about 1/2 mile. During this 1/2 mile the fellow had about 4 places that he could have pulled into and allowed me pass. I politely beeped as I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he did not hear me. He then preceded to give me and my father a tirade of abuse and sat bang in the middle of the road for about 1 & 1/2 miles. I eventually  passed him and jumped out of the car (calmly) to ask him what the problem was. The first thing that came out of his mouth was ' I'll have your house, your car the whole lot if you come near me' as he ride on. I had no intention of touching him but just wanted to find out what his problem was. Brave fella. Protected by his an anonymity but knew were I lived and would have had a number plate, etc.

And this is not one isolated incident with just this lad been a t@sser. Another brave lycra head followed my mother up into the yard and thumped and banged at the car roof. Called the police couldn't do a thing as there is no way of identifying these cowards and by the time police would react they are long gone. And then have the cheek to come crying victim when something happens. Several other incidents like this on our road.

In my opinion, there is a large majority of the lycra brigade who treat other road users like this, as woe betide you would affect their time trials.   All about the stats you know.

The could have pulled in and allowed you to pass ? I'm baffled. Why should he ? What was your rush?

The Sorrowful Mysteries
(Said on Tuesdays, Fridays, and daily from now until the Sunday Game on the evening Tyrone are dumped out of the championship.

First Sorrowful Mystery - Agony of Tyrone in the Garden of Croke Park
I Desire True Repentance for My Sins
Think of...
Sean Cavanagh getting sent off last year,  suffering a bitter agony
A few hail Mary passes.
Matthew 26:36



Second Sorrowful Mystery - Tyrone are scourged by the Pillar
I Desire a Spirit of Mortification
Think of...
The cruel scourging by the pillar that Tyrone suffered; the heavy blows that tore their Sam ambitions.  But not just Pillar. Other Dubs managers including Jim Gavin
Matthew 27:26



Third Sorrowful Mystery - Tyrone is Crowned With Thorns
I Desire Moral Courage.
Think of...
The crown of sharp thorns that was forced upon Tyrone''s Head by RTÉ in interviews and the patience with which Tyrone endured the pain for our sins.
Matthew 27:27



Fourth Sorrowful Mystery - Tyrone Carries His Cross
I Desire the Virtue of Patience
Think of...
The heavy Cross, so willingly carried by Tyrone, and ask Him to help you to carry your crosses without complaint. This has something to do with the All Ireland club championship and Crossmaglen.
Matthew 27:32



Fifth Sorrowful Mystery - The Crucifixion of Tyrone
I Desire the Grace of Final Perseverance
Think of...
The love which filled Tyrone''s  Sacred Heart during its agony in Croke Park and ask Tyrone to be with you at the hour of Dubs, without a marquee foward
Matthew 27:33


Do not consider what Tyrone truly deserves but consider the faith of the church.
Jesus Mary and Joseph assist Tyrone now and in its last agony. 

Who is the official holy water supplier to Tyrone?

Sean Cavanagh falls for the 3rd time. It's time this was a yellow card offence

The bookies are seldom wrong and PP have Kildare currently as 4/7 favourites, earlier this morning the betting was 4/6 then 8/13 and now 4/7. So obviously people have lumped on so odds have been cut, I would kinda agree with them on the prices.
Kildare will give Armagh their fill of it and more but it certainly wouldn't be the shock of the Championship should Armagh win and they do have a big chance but Kildare are rightly favourites. (Thats not being the soft fella either...playing down our chances, just being realistic)

All bull aside I would be making Kildare something like 1/4.