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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 24, 2022, 02:01:06 PM »

None of the people bleating about "America" or "NATO" give one f**k for the people of Ukraine.

Not one f**k.

Every word out of them is that of a weasel Russia apologist.

America isn't perpetrating this barbarism.

It is the criminal mafia state that is Russia, led by the Nazi war criminal in chief Putin, which is perpetrating it.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 24, 2022, 12:08:12 PM »

Ah the morally correct westers warmongers, starting countless wars all over the world in the last 70+ years, outraged over Russia sorting out it's doorstep. The only tragic thing here is innocent people dying, Slavic brothers killing each other, while the US makes a buck.

Many other Armagh GAA people think they're Oliver Cromwell?

Or is it just yerself? 

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 24, 2022, 07:51:42 AM »

Who is trying to project power here?

You are calling what Russia is doing "a defensive war"?

What?

As usual, your incapable of reading in context.

Context to your notion of NATO being a defensive organisation and that being enough to placate Russia (or USSR before them). Clearly, the main member of NATO is not defensive nor has engaged in defensive actions on a time frame across decades.



Anyway, shit's really hit the fan now. The West will have to come up with something else, cos a few sanctions aren't gonna cut it if China do their own thing.

That's shite.

You talked about "projecting power in the world" and a "defensive war".

The US and NATO aren't projecting power here and Russia is NOT waging a defensive war.

If you cannot come out and state what is happening here, we can draw more than reasonable conclusions about your worldview.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 24, 2022, 05:41:26 AM »

https://twitter.com/Nat_Vasilyeva/status/1496718103367016449

Nataliya Vasilyeva
@Nat_Vasilyeva

To wake up in a Nazi Germany. I'm ashamed and can't breathe.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 23, 2022, 11:33:15 PM »

Putin on NATO:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1496289085224550404.html

To those arguing that NATO expansion has been a constant source of tension with Russia, a few facts. 1/ THREAD

November 2001, Putin said this: “we differ in the ways and means we perceive that are suitable for reaching the same objective… [But] one can rest assured that whatever final solution is found, it will not threaten … the interests of both our countries and of the world.”

Putin also in 2001, “Russia acknowledges the role of NATO in the world of today, Russia is prepared to expand its cooperation with this organization. " 3/

"And if we change the quality of the relationship, if we change the format of the relationship between Russia and NATO, then I think NATO enlargement will cease to be an issue—will no longer be a relevant issue.” 4/

In 2001, on whether he opposed the Baltic states’ membership in NATO, Putin stated, “We of course are not in a position to tell people what to do. We cannot forbid people to make certain choices if they want to increase the security of their nations in a particular way.” 5/

Putin, May 2002, “I am absolutely convinced that Ukraine will not shy away from the processes of expanding interaction with NATO and the Western allies as a whole." 6/

Putin on Ukraine in NATO: "Ukraine has its own relations with NATO; there is the Ukraine-NATO Council. At the end of the day, the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine. It is a matter for those two partners.” 7/

So what changed? Democratic expansion, or what Putin calls US-supported coups in the post-communist world. Kremlin concerns about NATO expansion have been a variable, not a constant, over the last 30 years. They spike AFTER democratic breakthroughs. 8/

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 23, 2022, 11:30:41 PM »

Oh f**k up sid you clown.

Compare the combat doctrines of the USA to the Soviets and now Russians from 1950 to now and its plainly clear to see who is trying to project power across the world by any and all means and who is focussed on a defensive war with nuclear response as main offensive deterrent.


Not saying Putin isn't a c**t, 'cos he is.

But your so far up yer own arse you can't see beyond yer own sh!te.

Who is trying to project power here?

You are calling what Russia is doing "a defensive war"?

What?

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 23, 2022, 11:08:03 PM »

So, realistically, what do the West do to stop what right now looks like only a matter of time?

If it were me, I think I'd give the Ukrainians a few nuclear bombs for their aircraft - and make sure the Russian knew they had them. Would certainly give the Russians pause before they push too hard.


[Not that I don't understand Putin's predicament. Parts of Ukraine are less than 450 km from Moscow - its not as if we haven't been here before with the US installing ballistic nuke missiles in Turkey then the Soviets responding by putting their own in Cuba. Cuban missile crisis was actually the Turkish missile crisis - and the Yanks tried very hard to start WW3 twice on the same day; 1962-10-27 - if the situation were reversed, I'd wager hot headed Americans would have started WW3! If Ukraine joins NATO, and the US installed IRBMs, there is no way the Russian forces would have a reaction time sufficient to protect Moscow - even with their Gorgon missiles.

If the 1972 ABM treaty was revisited then there might be scope for fears to be alleviated. But its unlikely the hawks in the US would be up for that.]

Putin is not in a "predicament".

Russia has nukes in Kaliningrad - right in the heart of Europe - and from next Sunday, when Belarus has a fake "referendum", he'll be able to have them in Belarus too.

NATO is a defensive alliance and there is nothing in Norway, Poland, the Baltics, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria etc. which is a remote threat to Russia.

Nor Finland or Ukraine.

Russia has zero case of any kind here.

All the talk of recent months has been pointless. Talking heads talking in "adult" voices, and the vast majority of it unadulterated shite.

If people would just get the following three words through their heads, they will understand this better than listening to a week of commentary.

Putin is Hitler.

Those three words are by far the most accurate summation of where we are. Let those words sink in.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 23, 2022, 04:28:09 PM »

Going to sound like a crack pot here but I seriously think that either trump or Boris (or both) are Russian agents. Donald has lots of ties to Russia while i remember reading an article a few years ago on how Boris always seem to be protected and be at the right place at the right time. It gave a good few examples going back even before his supposed role as journalist.

Russian assets, not Russian agents. Russia looks for narcissistic gobshites with "larger than life" personalities who it can skilfully help to manipulate and amplify.

They will be presented as "outsiders".

Preferably they will have money problems.

Dominic Cummings, Mick Wallace and George Galloway are definitely Russian assets too.

I'd nearly go further than that with Nigel Farage and Arron Banks.

When the Putin puppet and mass murderer Viktor Yanukovych was president of Ukraine, his main "political technologist" (as they call them in Russia) was Paul Manafort, he of Black, Manafort and Stone, aka "the Torturers' Lobby." Stone is Roger Stone.

Yanukovych fled Ukraine for Russia in 2014 after he turned his firing squad on the peaceful protestors on the Maidan and was impeached 328-0 by the Ukrainian parliament.

Two years later Manafort pitched up as Trump's campaign manager.

Russia has hopelessly compromised the west.

This moment has to change everything. If it doesn't, there will no longer be a west as we understand it.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 22, 2022, 05:55:07 PM »

Would Putin be satisfied with the 2 Separatist regions? They make up 4% of the land area and 10% of the population.
By recognising them as autonomous Countries he gives himself the pretext of being able to move troops in but he then loses the leverage he had been hoping from the earlier agreements as he no longer has a pro-Russian element within the Ukraine borders.

Essentially makes what's left of Ukraine even more Ukrainian. Probably about as short sighted as Larne and Ballymena declaring independence

That is my simplistic view on it as well. As per the above comparison I would tend to let them have Larne and Ballymena. Just don’t let them take the Glens along with them.

Give them the whole of Newtownabbey as well and close all the junctions on the M2.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, Putin now have moved his tanks into the breakaway areas. This is a click on the ratchet, will he try and keep on going or will he bank that for now and come again some other time.

It makes no sense for Putin to stop at the occupied DNR/LNR and Crimea.

Why would he stop there? Ukraine still exists. Ukraine is what he wants gone.

Neither will it make any sense for him to stop at Ukraine. Once you're in, you're all in.

Putin has already talked about the borders of the imperial Russian empire. That means he has his sights on the Baltic countries and Poland.

And shure why stop there, you're all in then, Russia used to occupy part of Germany, why not get that back too?

Hitlers are like sharks, they cannot stop.

If the west ever defeats Russia again, the country needs to be forcibly broken up.

The only thing that protects our freedom in the west is hard power. The last eight years have been a salutary lesson in that.

And tragically, we will probably need to use that hard power if we want to keep that freedom.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying

But if there's one thing that hasn't worked out well historically, it's western powers taking over countries and arbitrarily placing borders within them to suit their own ends

I'd much prefer if it was the west imposing arbitrary borders on a genocidal Russia than a genocidal Russia imposing arbitrary borders on other European countries.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 22, 2022, 12:53:19 PM »

Would Putin be satisfied with the 2 Separatist regions? They make up 4% of the land area and 10% of the population.
By recognising them as autonomous Countries he gives himself the pretext of being able to move troops in but he then loses the leverage he had been hoping from the earlier agreements as he no longer has a pro-Russian element within the Ukraine borders.

Essentially makes what's left of Ukraine even more Ukrainian. Probably about as short sighted as Larne and Ballymena declaring independence

That is my simplistic view on it as well. As per the above comparison I would tend to let them have Larne and Ballymena. Just don’t let them take the Glens along with them.

Give them the whole of Newtownabbey as well and close all the junctions on the M2.

Meanwhile, in Ukraine, Putin now have moved his tanks into the breakaway areas. This is a click on the ratchet, will he try and keep on going or will he bank that for now and come again some other time.

It makes no sense for Putin to stop at the occupied DNR/LNR and Crimea.

Why would he stop there? Ukraine still exists. Ukraine is what he wants gone.

Neither will it make any sense for him to stop at Ukraine. Once you're in, you're all in.

Putin has already talked about the borders of the imperial Russian empire. That means he has his sights on the Baltic countries and Poland.

And shure why stop there, you're all in then, Russia used to occupy part of Germany, why not get that back too?

Hitlers are like sharks, they cannot stop.

If the west ever defeats Russia again, the country needs to be forcibly broken up.

The only thing that protects our freedom in the west is hard power. The last eight years have been a salutary lesson in that.

And tragically, we will probably need to use that hard power if we want to keep that freedom.

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General discussion / Re: Re: ukraine regime change

« on: February 21, 2022, 10:07:41 PM »

So what’s your thoughts on the Minsk Agreement? For or against?

So, tell us all about your precious "Minsk Agreement".

Then tell me about Putin channelling Hitler.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Patronising Dublin Fan Thread

« on: February 19, 2022, 11:04:44 PM »

Measures required to combat Dublin's dominance: none.

We now know it was a once in a generation team.

Dublin's dominance did not even last a decade, a span shorter than Kerry's (1975-1986) and the Kilkenny hurlers (2000-2015).

Yis can all relax now. The Dublin pandemic is over. Gaelic football is saved.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2022

« on: February 19, 2022, 10:43:34 PM »

I would make a bold prediction that Dublin or Tyrone will not win Sam. A toss up between Kerry or Mayo, if luck runs with Donegal or Armagh they might make AIF.

Any one of about eight teams could win it and none are Dublin. I don't see Kerry being beaten by any team outside of Mayo, Donegal or Tyrone though. But Mayo and especially Donegal or Tyrone could be beaten by a load of teams.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2022

« on: February 19, 2022, 10:16:02 PM »

Cannot believe how quickly Dublin have fallen apart considering how dominant they were

Every team has its day in the sun, Dublin have had cracking days but the hunger, age, ability might not be there.

Not 100% on retirements but commentator tonite said mccarthy ocallaghan the other small and one or two others to come back. I wouldnt write them off just yet...]

I would. Going absolutely nowhere. The second half tonight was utterly abject.

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GAA Discussion / Re: NFL Division 1 2022

« on: February 19, 2022, 09:19:41 PM »

This post was ahead of its time.

Certainly we would like to win the League but Monaghan were very good and even Fento was overwhelmed and if we don't make the final it could mean that we don't win Sam

At this stage all Dublin supporters would be happy to just avoid relegation, truth be told.

That defeat in the O'Byrne Cup final has, as I predicted, destroyed the myth of invincibility surrounding this Dublin team.

With Mayo flying at the moment, we'll find it very difficult to avoid being in the drop zone after the next roound of fixtures.

Unlike Mayo, Tyrone, Roscommon and Cavan, this Dublin team have no experience of being involved in a relegation battle - and that's what makes the prospect very dangerous.

If the players start thinking they're too good to go down, they could end up doing just that.

If Mayo win at Croke Park on February 23rd, it may be time to say goodbye to Jim Gavin and hello to Sam Allardyce.