What is everyone's take on this?
I thought they were right wing nuts but the stabbing in Killarney has annoyed me.
Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 11:06:41 AM
What is everyone's take on this?
I thought they were right wing nuts but the stabbing in Killarney has annoyed me.
The truth as always will be somewhere in the middle. Theres people who want totally open borders with any Tom Dick and Harry coming in, then theres nutters who think every black/brown person is a terrorist, rapist or murderer.
Ireland's not full, the population still hasn't recovered from the 1800s.
There is a housing crisis and the far right have decided to blame people fleeing extreme poverty, war-torn countries and dictatorships rather than the people responsible ie FFG.
I don't think anyone is arguing for open borders either, but the system could definitely be more robust.
You can have concerns about unchecked immigration without being a right wing loon
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 04, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
You can have concerns about unchecked immigration without being a right wing loon
Agreed. But theres plenty of people who can't have that conversation. As soon as someone expresses any reservations they are banded in the same category as that Gemma O'Doherty or whatever her name is.
There should be public information sessions about why Government policy is as it is.
The real problem is neoliberalism and the ban on social housing.
Ireland could build social housing in rural Ireland when it was poor so money is not the issue.
Over a century ago the people took on the landlords and their land was subdivided. Something similar needs to happen again.
We need another Michael Davitt.
you can't just stick 300-400 young single males (regardless of colour) into a local community without any kind of consultation, but anyone who raises concerns is branded a racist.
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Or Albania
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
3,500+ People got on a vessel of some kind to this country with papers and got off without any. What have they to hide?
Most people are to busy to know or notice what is going on.
There are legitimate cases and there are outright chancers taking advantage.
(Like everything else) There is more to our present situation than we are told.
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
Also look at the social and societal problems in Holland and Belgium as a result, there should be red flags about this approach and take some of the learning on board before these begin.
But going by some of the footage of some areas of Dublin recently the 'foreigners' are the least of the problem. (That's not to diminish genuine concerns in other areas either)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced after the war with Russia, many of whom were never able to return. I could probably be a bit more up to speed on the geopolitical situation in that particular region but I'd imagine there's still a few hostilities brewing?
Not the wisest idea to mix Georgian's with Algerians below in Kerry.
Its pretty obvious to me that Ireland is full, in terms of infrastructure that meets accept health & safety criteria. Our local village / town has taken in about 160 from the Ukraine. They live in substandard conditions, heaps of them packed into small hastily partitioned rooms, the building previously a dis-used factory. The building does not meet heath & safety regulations, yet a blind eye is turned to this, the fat cats that own the building (local scumbags / politicans etc) are cleaning up money wise, its a gravy train for the usual suspects.
My daughters class has gone from 26 pupils to 36 pupils in a year, she & all of their class mates are not getting a half decent education. The sewerage system / drinking water infrastructure can't handle the sudden shock increase in population. Saying Ireland is full goes beyond perceived living square miles of open space.
I feel sorry for Ukrainians & others who are genuine in their applications for political assylum, we do need as a country to try & do our best to accommodate them as best we can. Open borders to everybody should not exist, people who come here over the age of 22 should contribute to society, as regards people who come here & cause bother, they should be fucked out straight away, no ifs no buts no bleeding hearts.
I have mixed views on East Wall, some God dam awful racist pricks involved, but putting 300 males into a village / esb buliding not fit for use, without consultation is not a good idea. Again what ammenities, resources do these people have.
On a national level do we have enough hospital beds, teachers, GP's etc, civil service personnel, Police to cater for a sharp rise in population? We don't, so we are full. Sinn Fein the peoples party have remained very silent on all this.
Another thing people are annoyed with, why dont some of these settlements end up in leafy addresses in D4 etc.
Agree with a lot of that , Rudi
It's unfortunate the situation Ukrainians find themselves in , but many thousands are here. And while a lot of them may well be in sub standard accommodations, it's a hell of a lot better than it is for the many homeless Irish people living on the street, and I don't see the same effort being made to help them
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 04, 2023, 02:22:27 PM
Agree with a lot of that , Rudi
It's unfortunate the situation Ukrainians find themselves in , but many thousands are here. And while a lot of them may well be in sub standard accommodations, it's a hell of a lot better than it is for the many homeless Irish people living on the street, and I don't see the same effort being made to help them
Some would say living on the street is a choice for a lot of people
That's a talking point you hear a lot in the US too.
So are those who oppose the accommodating of asylum seekers on those grounds actually involved in helping the homeless in Ireland?
What do the homeless advocacy charities and organizations have to say about refugees?
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 04, 2023, 02:22:27 PM
Agree with a lot of that , Rudi
It's unfortunate the situation Ukrainians find themselves in , but many thousands are here. And while a lot of them may well be in sub standard accommodations, it's a hell of a lot better than it is for the many homeless Irish people living on the street, and I don't see the same effort being made to help them
I would agree to a point, a fair lot of our homeless are drug addicts who dont want to be helped or housed.
I wonder what FrPeter McVery makes of the whole situation.
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
That's a talking point you hear a lot in the US too.
So are those who oppose the accommodating of asylum seekers on those grounds actually involved in helping the homeless in Ireland?
What do the homeless advocacy charities and organizations have to say about refugees?
I encounter a lot of homeless in Belfast and the reality is most, if not all, have a roof over their head if they so wish. a lot are suffering addiction and to score the next hit they need to be out on the streets after curfew.
The latest Census showed 166,752 vacant properties in Ireland. Yet it's full?
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 04, 2023, 02:55:57 PM
The latest Census showed 166,752 vacant properties in Ireland. Yet it's full?
In terms of essential resources the country is full. Many classes in schools exceeding the teacher pupil ratio of 1 : 30. Ratio of GP to patient ratio exceeded, lack of hospital beds. Ratio of Police to ordinary civilian ratio exceeded.
Our sewage / drinking water supplies are exceeded. Social workers for peoples mental health etc etc, trains, buses. Your not looking at the full picture, looking at a very small picture.
I would question whats classed as a vacant property, many of these are probably not fit for purpose & you can't force someone to rent / sell their property.
You also need social areas, gyms, swimming pools, meeting rooms, otherwise people will go mad & partake in anti social activity.
East Wall (and others) is FG infiltration of the working class to take attention away from the real issues!
A lot of things can/should be done, a simple assessment should have been carried out and people allocated to areas that could facilitate the numbers being brought in, once that was reached then unfortunately it wasn't viable for either the Ukrainians or the towns and cities to help them better
Any illegals should be interviewed and assessed, if they are genuine refugees then they should be catered for, any chancers should be given the options of going home or stay and contribute to the area, jobs, paying taxes and so on.
Ireland has thousands of people that have left this place and contributed to other countries over the years, why can't we do the same
Quote from: Rudi on January 04, 2023, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 04, 2023, 02:55:57 PM
The latest Census showed 166,752 vacant properties in Ireland. Yet it's full?
In terms of essential resources the country is full. Many classes in schools exceeding the teacher pupil ratio of 1 : 30. Ratio of GP to patient ratio exceeded, lack of hospital beds. Ratio of Police to ordinary civilian ratio exceeded.
Our sewage / drinking water supplies are exceeded. Social workers for peoples mental health etc etc, trains, buses. Your not looking at the full picture, looking at a very small picture.
I would question whats classed as a vacant property, many of these are probably not fit for purpose & you can't force someone to rent / sell their property.
You also need social areas, gyms, swimming pools, meeting rooms, otherwise people will go mad & partake in anti social activity.
A lot of those things you outline has been a issue on this island for decades. Not near full just a poorly run country.
Quote from: general_lee on January 04, 2023, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
That's a talking point you hear a lot in the US too.
So are those who oppose the accommodating of asylum seekers on those grounds actually involved in helping the homeless in Ireland?
What do the homeless advocacy charities and organizations have to say about refugees?
I encounter a lot of homeless in Belfast and the reality is most, if not all, have a roof over their head if they so wish. a lot are suffering addiction and to score the next hit they need to be out on the streets after curfew.
Yes I suppose a lot of them are addict s, but some maybe lost a job/divorced etc and couldn't afford astronomical rents on their own
I suppose solving the drug crisis is another matter entirely though.
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 04, 2023, 03:46:57 PM
Quote from: general_lee on January 04, 2023, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on January 04, 2023, 02:29:53 PM
That's a talking point you hear a lot in the US too.
So are those who oppose the accommodating of asylum seekers on those grounds actually involved in helping the homeless in Ireland?
What do the homeless advocacy charities and organizations have to say about refugees?
I encounter a lot of homeless in Belfast and the reality is most, if not all, have a roof over their head if they so wish. a lot are suffering addiction and to score the next hit they need to be out on the streets after curfew.
Yes I suppose a lot of them are addict s, but some maybe lost a job/divorced etc and couldn't afford astronomical rents on their own
I suppose solving the drug crisis is another matter entirely though.
Its drugs and alcohol, not getting divorced or losing jobs
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 04, 2023, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 04, 2023, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 04, 2023, 02:55:57 PM
The latest Census showed 166,752 vacant properties in Ireland. Yet it's full?
In terms of essential resources the country is full. Many classes in schools exceeding the teacher pupil ratio of 1 : 30. Ratio of GP to patient ratio exceeded, lack of hospital beds. Ratio of Police to ordinary civilian ratio exceeded.
Our sewage / drinking water supplies are exceeded. Social workers for peoples mental health etc etc, trains, buses. Your not looking at the full picture, looking at a very small picture.
I would question whats classed as a vacant property, many of these are probably not fit for purpose & you can't force someone to rent / sell their property.
You also need social areas, gyms, swimming pools, meeting rooms, otherwise people will go mad & partake in anti social activity.
A lot of those things you outline has been a issue on this island for decades. Not near full just a poorly run country.
But its not going to change ..........
This poor lady should not have died
https://gript.ie/where-is-the-national-outcry-over-aoife-johnstons-death-at-a-limerick-hospital/
Just out of curiosity, has anyone one here ever rented out a property they own?
Was your experience good, bad or neutral?
(I'm just curious as to why there's 166K vacant properties in a country with a housing shortage)
Quote from: whitey on January 04, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone one here ever rented out a property they own?
Was your experience good, bad or neutral?
(I'm just curious as to why there's 166K vacant properties in a country with a housing shortage)
I did. Bought an apartment in Dublin , and lived in it. Went abroad for a while so rented it out. When I came back I moved back in with my wife, once the 5 months (I think) notice period had passed. Tenant had left the place in rag order. C'est la vie. Moved out again as we needed more space. Didn't bother renting it out for about 18 months before eventually deciding to sell it. Left money on the table , but not that much. And I just couldn't have been bothered being a landlord. Would probably make more long term sense to hold on it it ; but it's a pain in the hole.
(Also, the highest bidder - who we obviously sold to - was a Cypriot based institutional investor)
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2023, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 04, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone one here ever rented out a property they own?
Was your experience good, bad or neutral?
(I'm just curious as to why there's 166K vacant properties in a country with a housing shortage)
I did. Bought an apartment in Dublin , and lived in it. Went abroad for a while so rented it out. When I came back I moved back in with my wife, once the 5 months (I think) notice period had passed. Tenant had left the place in rag order. C'est la vie. Moved out again as we needed more space. Didn't bother renting it out for about 18 months before eventually deciding to sell it. Left money on the table , but not that much. And I just couldn't have been bothered being a landlord. Would probably make more long term sense to hold on it it ; but it's a pain in the hole.
(Also, the highest bidder - who we obviously sold to - was a Cypriot based institutional investor)
My experience is that if you get a bad tenant you are goosed.
They can stop paying rent for months and destroy the place and you are powerless to do anything.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 04, 2023, 03:41:16 PM
A lot of things can/should be done, a simple assessment should have been carried out and people allocated to areas that could facilitate the numbers being brought in, once that was reached then unfortunately it wasn't viable for either the Ukrainians or the towns and cities to help them better
Any illegals should be interviewed and assessed, if they are genuine refugees then they should be catered for, any chancers should be given the options of going home or stay and contribute to the area, jobs, paying taxes and so on.
Ireland has thousands of people that have left this place and contributed to other countries over the years, why can't we do the same
Planning is a national weakness, except in certain parts of Kerry and Kilkenny
Quote from: The Wedger on January 04, 2023, 04:41:24 PM
Quote from: shark on January 04, 2023, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 04, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
Just out of curiosity, has anyone one here ever rented out a property they own?
Was your experience good, bad or neutral?
(I'm just curious as to why there's 166K vacant properties in a country with a housing shortage)
I did. Bought an apartment in Dublin , and lived in it. Went abroad for a while so rented it out. When I came back I moved back in with my wife, once the 5 months (I think) notice period had passed. Tenant had left the place in rag order. C'est la vie. Moved out again as we needed more space. Didn't bother renting it out for about 18 months before eventually deciding to sell it. Left money on the table , but not that much. And I just couldn't have been bothered being a landlord. Would probably make more long term sense to hold on it it ; but it's a pain in the hole.
(Also, the highest bidder - who we obviously sold to - was a Cypriot based institutional investor)
My experience is that if you get a bad tenant you are goosed.
They can stop paying rent for months and destroy the place and you are powerless to do anything.
I have a family member who has had the same tenant for over a decade. Rent paid partially by social welfare. House immaculate. No issues whatsoever-quite the opposite actually. The guy is very helpful to some of the elderly neighbors and checks in on them daily and picks up messages for them in town
On the other hand, my sister bought a house that had essentially been destroyed by renters. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes
Probably €20K worth of damage if I were to guess. Every stick of furniture and carpet had to be thrown into a skip and the hardwood floors had been destroyed by dogs
In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.
We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.
We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.
This vetting that people throw out is such horse shit. Who would do this vetting, who in the Ukraine would you ask to check it out as i think they've other things on their mind. I'm sorry but "vetting" is something far right rascists use to imply that people coming here are murderers and rapists. As for the other rubbish in your post, there are 50 Ukrainians a mile from my house and they've none of that stuff.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.
We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.
That's the problem. The Irish government are more concerned with bending over backwards to serve their EU masters rather than their own people . They're no different to the DUP arse kissing the Tories
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.
What are the demographics of the refugees
Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 06:59:42 PM
What are the demographics of the refugees
Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 04, 2023, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.
It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off. Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.
Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2023, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.
We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.
This vetting that people throw out is such horse shit. Who would do this vetting, who in the Ukraine would you ask to check it out as i think they've other things on their mind. I'm sorry but "vetting" is something far right rascists use to imply that people coming here are murderers and rapists. As for the other rubbish in your post, there are 50 Ukrainians a mile from my house and they've none of that stuff.
Was waiting for the FAR RIGHT RACIST comment. I never mentioned the words murderers or Rapists. Vetting can mean checking the original nationality, the age, the gender, the health. We were originally told that the children, women and the old from Ukraine were coming here.
Three miles from me there are a total of 700 Ukrainian and international refugees are being housed in accommodation on the Breaffy House campus. Of these 480 are from Ukraine, 15% are males all with families.
That's a lot of people to put into an rural area. But hey lets all put our hands over our eyes and carry on regardless.
By the way the poor Ukrainians at all levels are being used in this Circus.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 04, 2023, 06:03:01 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 04, 2023, 05:25:01 PM
In fairness the Irish Government have been wonderful accommodating the more wealthy Ukrainians who could afford to flee their home country. In such an emergency, Vetting had to be tossed aside. Social welfare with minimum eligibility questions asked. Fair dues to An Post for giving them free post back home. Car tyres, Car parts and heavy electronics can be sent home to help with the conflict. Most of the Ukrainian men here are recharging for to return for the long conflict ahead. Thank god we are keeping our debt masters in the EU onside with our charitable gestures.
We are a bit of a mess dealing with our own problems with Housing, Healthcare, Education, Debt, and so on. But letting 70k Ukrainians and a few other add ons should have little or no effect on that.
This vetting that people throw out is such horse shit. Who would do this vetting, who in the Ukraine would you ask to check it out as i think they've other things on their mind. I'm sorry but "vetting" is something far right rascists use to imply that people coming here are murderers and rapists. As for the other rubbish in your post, there are 50 Ukrainians a mile from my house and they've none of that stuff.
Was waiting for the FAR RIGHT RACIST comment. I never mentioned the words murderers or Rapists. Vetting can mean checking the original nationality, the age, the gender, the health. We were originally told that the children, women and the old from Ukraine were coming here.
Three miles from me there are a total of 700 Ukrainian and international refugees are being housed in accommodation on the Breaffy House campus. Of these 480 are from Ukraine, 15% are males all with families.
That's a lot of people to put into an rural area. But hey lets all put our hands over our eyes and carry on regardless.
By the way the poor Ukrainians at all levels are being used in this Circus.
Used? By whom? For what purpose?
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 04, 2023, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.
It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off. Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.
Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m
Bigger populations in towns and cities means better economies of scale. For example they say that to justify a tram system you need ~100,000 or more living in the same urban area. They can build cool public transport systems like that on the continent because they have the population to support it. If Ireland is to get with the program then it'll need more people living in urban areas, not fewer. The idea that there's an upper limit to population is laughable, and it's even more laughable to suggest that Ireland is anywhere close to it.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 04, 2023, 09:01:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 04, 2023, 06:55:09 PM
Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.
It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off. Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.
Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m
Bigger populations in towns and cities means better economies of scale. For example they say that to justify a tram system you need ~100,000 or more living in the same urban area. They can build cool public transport systems like that on the continent because they have the population to support it. If Ireland is to get with the program then it'll need more people living in urban areas, not fewer. The idea that there's an upper limit to population is laughable, and it's even more laughable to suggest that Ireland is anywhere close to it.
We are going through a very unstable phase, as 70,000 Ukrainians in Ireland show. We don't know what the future will bring, Climate change is probably not good for food production. There are effective limits to populations.
1 kid per family or the Thanos option!!
Is that the options seafoid?
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What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.
It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off. Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.
Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m
Bigger populations in towns and cities means better economies of scale. For example they say that to justify a tram system you need ~100,000 or more living in the same urban area. They can build cool public transport systems like that on the continent because they have the population to support it. If Ireland is to get with the program then it'll need more people living in urban areas, not fewer. The idea that there's an upper limit to population is laughable, and it's even more laughable to suggest that Ireland is anywhere close to it.
We are going through a very unstable phase, as 70,000 Ukrainians in Ireland show. We don't know what the future will bring, Climate change is probably not good for food production. There are effective limits to populations.
Citation needed.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 04, 2023, 07:11:21 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 06:59:42 PM
What are the demographics of the refugees
Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country
You're guessing?
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Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 06:59:42 PM
What are the demographics of the refugees
Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country
You're guessing?
No, it's an established tactic of asylum seekers
They all hang out at the Kremlin on Sunday afternoon sure!!
Anyone, anywhere, at anytime could say they're under threat
What level of proof is needed in order to successfully claim asylum?
FFS someone I know owes drug debts and had to flee Ireland for the UK due to threats-maybe he could apply for asylum
The Irish process for claiming asylum (https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/the_asylum_process_in_ireland/applying_for_refugee_status_in_ireland.html). Wild how they're not allowed to work or start a business.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 05, 2023, 12:50:00 AM
The Irish process for claiming asylum (https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/the_asylum_process_in_ireland/applying_for_refugee_status_in_ireland.html). Wild how they're not allowed to work or start a business.
Of course they are not allowed start a business until they are allowed stay, otherwise you would have complete free for all.
As for work, the government should give them work to do to pay for their keep.
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What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
How is it overpopulated? People in Dutch cities seem to live quite comfortably.
It's not clear how the model would work under stressed conditions. The population was 10m in 1950.
Most European populations have increased substantially since neoliberalism kicked off. Now it's 17.5m
People just assume that things will work out.
Switzerland had to feed itself during WW2. All available land was used. The population was 4m. Now it's 8m
Bigger populations in towns and cities means better economies of scale. For example they say that to justify a tram system you need ~100,000 or more living in the same urban area. They can build cool public transport systems like that on the continent because they have the population to support it. If Ireland is to get with the program then it'll need more people living in urban areas, not fewer. The idea that there's an upper limit to population is laughable, and it's even more laughable to suggest that Ireland is anywhere close to it.
We are going through a very unstable phase, as 70,000 Ukrainians in Ireland show. We don't know what the future will bring, Climate change is probably not good for food production. There are effective limits to populations.
Citation needed.
War reduces the carrying capacity of a country. That's why there are 70,000 Ukrainians in Ireland. Modern systems break fmdown under sustained chaos.
https://gript.ie/watch-parents-protest-as-migrants-placed-in-school-in-drimnagh-2/
Quote from: Rudi on January 05, 2023, 07:39:24 AM
https://gript.ie/watch-parents-protest-as-migrants-placed-in-school-in-drimnagh-2/
Save our schools? Was the school going to be used permanently as a refugee camp? And demanding a deep clean? Christ the night
As for more men than women, here's another take on it
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/five-explanations-to-why-the-majority-of-refugees/?fbclid=IwAR1Yu_Rpau876qKkw5K4BTmQF2dJWILj4cu2qMxdPYlnAWaV6SmD1_IRlwo
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That's a talking point you hear a lot in the US too.
So are those who oppose the accommodating of asylum seekers on those grounds actually involved in helping the homeless in Ireland?
What do the homeless advocacy charities and organizations have to say about refugees?
I encounter a lot of homeless in Belfast and the reality is most, if not all, have a roof over their head if they so wish. a lot are suffering addiction and to score the next hit they need to be out on the streets after curfew.
Yes I suppose a lot of them are addict s, but some maybe lost a job/divorced etc and couldn't afford astronomical rents on their own
I suppose solving the drug crisis is another matter entirely though.
Its drugs and alcohol, not getting divorced or losing jobs
Divorce and/or losing jobs may lead to the drugs and alcohol
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Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 06:59:42 PM
What are the demographics of the refugees
Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country
I would say this is incorrect
Quote from: whitey on January 05, 2023, 12:02:25 AM
Anyone, anywhere, at anytime could say they're under threat
What level of proof is needed in order to successfully claim asylum?
FFS someone I know owes drug debts and had to flee Ireland for the UK due to threats-maybe he could apply for asylum
probably not. What would his claim be? Under which of the 5 convention grounds would be claim under?
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Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 06:59:42 PM
What are the demographics of the refugees
Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country
I would say this is incorrect
It's not
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
The "full" thing is copied straight from Farage/EDL etc.
QuoteThat's the problem. The Irish government are more concerned with bending over backwards to serve their EU masters rather than their own people . They're no different to the DUP arse kissing the Tories
This is 100% correct.
I'm sure we all remember the water charges controversy whereby the Government insisted that the charges were enforceable as this was an EU mandate / requirement, this disappeared fairly quick. Another load of horseshit is the Procurement of Goods and Services and the insistence that the EU "rules" are followed, shur France just ignore these rules and nothing is said. Time our Government acted on behalf of the people and not the EU masters.
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
was barely a road in those days. Theres the land here to support that population but not the schools, hospitals, housing etc etc etc.
Anyway I'd prefer a more rural Ireland with green fields and a smaller population than massive urban concrete shitholes, maybe that makes me racist lol
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Quote from: Gmac on January 04, 2023, 06:59:42 PM
What are the demographics of the refugees
Lots of single men saying they are homosexual I'm guessing, and will be persecuted/stoned to death if they return to their home country
I would say this is incorrect
It's not
Again, I will tell you it is incorrect
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
If everyone was put on a diet of spuds and buttermilk and put living in a shed we could have 20 million at least
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 05, 2023, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
has it not gone down?
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 05, 2023, 11:15:52 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
The birth rate is a function of neoliberalism. Houses are too expensive. Lot of women don't want to commit to having several children. It's even worse in Germany and Italy
House prices have to fall by a lot before any sort of normality returns.
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Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
The birth rate is a function of neoliberalism. Houses are too expensive. Lot of women don't want to commit to having several children. It's even worse in Germany and Italy
House prices have to fall by a lot before any sort of normality returns.
Just listening to a piece on R4 there about Seoul and the birth rate there is 0.85 which is in no small part to the price of housing doubling in the last 5 years from 400k USD equivalent to 800k with a national average income of 29k USD! Mental numbers- the average joe is living in a shoebox with no room to hang a coat let alone have >1 child.
If you are interested:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001gl5y?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
Density is 73 per sq km. In SE England it's 400. Flying into Dublin with the green fields vs flying into Heathrow.
So the population could grow. But what would be the point?
I spent a while in Malta. Area is 316 km sq. Density is 1380 per sq km. The traffic was hellish. All the people lived on one part of the island. The rest was agricultural. It was hard to explain what it felt like, going to the agricultural part. It was like being able to relax. The built up part was mostly shite.
Quote from: seafoid on January 05, 2023, 11:42:43 AM
Density is 73 per sq km. In SE England it's 400. Flying into Dublin with the green fields vs flying into Heathrow.
So the population could grow. But what would be the point?
I spent a while in Malta. Area is 316 km sq. Density is 1380 per sq km. The traffic was hellish. All the people lived on one part of the island. The rest was agricultural. It was hard to explain what it felt like, going to the agricultural part. It was like being able to relax. The built up part was mostly shite.
I'm sure the Maltese tourism board are glad of your thoughts! :D
Ireland need to improve infrastructure. Roads, rail, schools, hospitals, housing, airports everything. We need a population to sustain that. A growing one. We'll need skilled trades to deliver it. We also need unskilled labour in all parts of our economy. Bar staff to Shop workers to building labourers. Register them and get them out working.
The birth rate is too low all over Europe, for instance in Italy, although property in Italy is not increasing in price as it is here.
But we do need to build more houses in Ireland.
(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd6c748xw2pzm8.cloudfront.net%2Fprod%2F8ed9d850-82bb-11ed-b9e7-8f8646190a3b-standard.png?dpr=2&fit=scale-down&quality=medium&source=next&width=700)
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 05, 2023, 11:27:08 AM
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Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
has it not gone down?
It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 05, 2023, 10:31:46 AM
Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
was barely a road in those days. Theres the land here to support that population but not the schools, hospitals, housing etc etc etc.
Anyway I'd prefer a more rural Ireland with green fields and a smaller population than massive urban concrete shitholes, maybe that makes me racist lol
De Valera is reincarnated :o
If life expectancy in the 26 counties was reduced to the 6 county level then there would be 40,000 more houses available and a fair few hospital beds as well.
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Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
has it not gone down?
It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.
Older women can't have kids. The key cohort is probably 30-40.
House prices mean both spouses have to work. Average salaries are maybe 40k
House prices are several multiples of this. The lifestyle militates against having 3 kids.
Not building social housing keeps house prices up. Just saying.
The likelihood of having 3 brothers from one family on an all Ireland team (Connollys 1980, Dooleys 1994, Spillanes at various times) is very low now.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 05, 2023, 12:55:29 PM
If life expectancy in the 26 counties was reduced to the 6 county level then there would be 40,000 more houses available and a fair few hospital beds as well.
So it's actually better to die younger instead of this clogging up the system with over aged unwell elderly people.
So a Logan's Run approach might save the planet and provide affordable housing
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Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
has it not gone down?
It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.
Older women can't have kids. The key cohort is probably 30-40.
House prices mean both spouses have to work. Average salaries are maybe 40k
House prices are several multiples of this. The lifestyle militates against having 3 kids.
Not building social housing keeps house prices up. Just saying.
The likelihood of having 3 brothers from one family on an all Ireland team (Connollys 1980, Dooleys 1994, Spillanes at various times) is very low now.
And any family that produces 3 young male footballers will see at least 1 of them emigrate.
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Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
has it not gone down?
It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.
Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.
Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.
280k issued? Thats a lot of new workers in a year is it not?
All the Irish ones are new babies I presume.
70k Irish out of 174k in 2021.
In 2022 all the Ukrainians got ones as well.
At around 2.5m the workforce is at its largest ever.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.
I assume none of your family ever moved abroad to work
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 05, 2023, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.
280k issued? Thats a lot of new workers in a year is it not?
Is it just needed for work or also for the dole ?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 05, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.
Thon boy says a lot of things. Seldom does he have a clue what he's talking about.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 05, 2023, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 05, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.
Thon boy says a lot of things. Seldom does he have a clue what he's talking about.
Armagh18 or Musk?
Quote from: Itchy on January 05, 2023, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.
I assume none of your family ever moved abroad to work
My daughters Boyfriend is Lithuanian. My sons best friend is Polish. Both come from decent families. Both are more Irish than us and expose my children to other foods, ways and ideals.
All of my fathers family immigrated to England/Wales.
I have no bother with people coming here to work, have a new life. Temporary or permanent.
But we have to be more open in detailing what our policies are, the quantities involved and what is our long term plan.
We are not being told these things and not many seem to be asking or seem afraid to ask (or blindly don't care).
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Quote from: trailer on January 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Before the Famine Ireland's population was Circa 8m. Total population now is ~ 7m. The idea that Ireland is "full" is for the birds.
Obviously the infrastructure needs improved but that can be achieved.
It's nothing to do with space or land. There is any amount of that. Its resources.
A bigger problem than migrants is the childbirth rate over the last few decades. Its not sustainable.
has it not gone down?
It's going down yes. But it will take a while for that to have an effect as people are living longer.
Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.
I think there is a very strong link between house prices and the fertility rate. If house prices go down and families can be raised on a single wage I bet fertility rates will increase.
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Quote from: Armagh18 on January 05, 2023, 02:13:23 PM
Seen an interview with Elon Musk a while back, he reckoned that underpopulation not overpopulation will be the issue in the future especially in the West.
Thon boy says a lot of things. Seldom does he have a clue what he's talking about.
Armagh18 or Musk?
;)
Wish I was a pound behind him!
https://www.thejournal.ie/false-claims-about-refugees-at-school-in-drimnagh-5961416-Jan2023/
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2023, 03:28:24 PM
Just 22 % of New PPS numbers went to Irish people in 2022.
Cromwell would be jealous of Ireland's New Plantation.
Of 286,168 New Personal Public Service numbers given out in 2022 only 64,721 went to people born in Ireland...that's a mere 22.61%.
Born in Ireland, or born in the 26 counties, or do you consider them the same?
PPS numbers do not imply long term immigration, people on short term project and students etc get PPS numbers, you even need a PPS number if you inherit money from someone in the 26 counties.
apparently its come out there was no refuges there and the likes of o dywer were lying.
In a lot of cities there are 'close knit communities' that don't need much to have riled up
The far right is a nice mud guard for people who never are not keen on anyone not part of their own.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 05, 2023, 09:20:59 PM
In a lot of cities there are 'close knit communities' that don't need much to have riled up
The far right is a nice mud guard for people who never are not keen on anyone not part of their own.
Eh?
Do I take it you prefer atomised, low-trust communities?
No I'd prefer if it was a reality when at times it just means certain areas are not fond of outsiders.
There is some denial on social media right now about the amazing people in Drimnagh. I know only a small few are on the streets now, but you can't pretend it's all rosy.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 05, 2023, 09:44:13 PM
No I'd prefer if it was a reality when at times it just means certain areas are not fond of outsiders.
There is some denial on social media right now about the amazing people in Drimnagh. I know only a small few are on the streets now, but you can't pretend it's all rosy.
Nothing is all rosy, ever. No one is pretending it is. However, having a "close-knit community" is better than having, as I say, an individualised 'society' where there's little sense of cohesion. Unless, of course, you're a misfit to start with.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on January 05, 2023, 09:44:13 PM
No I'd prefer if it was a reality when at times it just means certain areas are not fond of outsiders.
There is some denial on social media right now about the amazing people in Drimnagh. I know only a small few are on the streets now, but you can't pretend it's all rosy.
The amazing people of Drimnagh were dropping in food and presents.
The far right tried to lynch the cleaners based on lies
Quote from: Eire90 on January 05, 2023, 09:05:49 PM
apparently its come out there was no refuges there and the likes of o dywer were lying.
Imagine that... A man with numerous criminal convictions including interfering with a dog might not beon the level. Remember this was a man kicked out of the openly fascist NP for being too extreme
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1611390379386961921?s=46&t=GInNhsVLSDo4kHS4P0Yolg
Who do we think needs vetted in this scenario?
Quote from: general_lee on January 07, 2023, 01:33:34 PM
https://twitter.com/dubslife1/status/1611390379386961921?s=46&t=GInNhsVLSDo4kHS4P0Yolg
Who do we think needs vetted in this scenario?
Thon lad needs dumped into the Liffey with concrete boots on!
Croke Park boxes to host refugees
https://www.newstalk.com/news/croke-park-to-house-ukrainian-refugees-for-next-two-weeks-1417224
Will there be protests and demands for a deep clean when they leave?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2023, 01:54:16 PM
Will there be protests and demands for a deep clean when they leave?
No. People distinguish between Ukrainians and chancers. Most Ukrainians are women and children, if you left them a couple of hoovers and a litre of flash they would probably leave the place cleaner than when they arrived.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 07, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2023, 01:54:16 PM
Will there be protests and demands for a deep clean when they leave?
No. People distinguish between Ukrainians and chancers. Most Ukrainians are women and children, if you left them a couple of hoovers and a litre of flash they would probably leave the place cleaner than when they arrived.
See a lot of men driving around in UA cars....
Quote from: Tubberman on January 07, 2023, 05:50:24 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 07, 2023, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 07, 2023, 01:54:16 PM
Will there be protests and demands for a deep clean when they leave?
No. People distinguish between Ukrainians and chancers. Most Ukrainians are women and children, if you left them a couple of hoovers and a litre of flash they would probably leave the place cleaner than when they arrived.
See a lot of men driving around in UA cars....
They are some men, but that does not change the overall statistics that showed two and half times as many adult women as men coming. It is good that they have cars as they can then live in accommodation offered in out of the way places in holiday homes etc.
And arrivals of Ukrainians have declined
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/01/07/numbers-arriving-from-ukraine-drop-by-almost-two-thirds/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4SFeI-unO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX1Oz9G5xVE
Lovely fella >:(
Quote from: Rudi on February 02, 2023, 11:55:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX1Oz9G5xVE
Lovely fella >:(
Have you the video of the fascist trying to run down a foreign national in his car?
its all kicking off protestors enter a garda buliding last night and a far lefter tried to run people over in a car and sinn fein seem to be terrified.
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
How the fook can that lad who was arrested only get lifted when he was talking about going at the Garda station? Some of his other videos are mental and he has been threatening violence for years.
Then the lads protesting his arrest are on video saying they will burn out Ukrainians? That was outside the station! These hoors are not going away so they need sorting.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:07:04 PM
its all kicking off protestors enter a garda buliding last night and a far lefter tried to run people over in a car and sinn fein seem to be terrified.
Their numbers are swelling and hatred is their currency. Awful to see
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
So chase mob rule with mob rule? hmmm strange take on it
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
probably because the ira are all old men now
those day are gone
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
I would suggest that many of the protesters would be Sinn Fein supporters or at least from areas with heavy Sinn Fein support
So why they would attack their own supporters?
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
I would suggest that many of the protesters would be Sinn Fein supporters or at least from areas with heavy Sinn Fein support
So why they would attack their own supporters?
why would you suggest that?
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
I would suggest that many of the protesters would be Sinn Fein supporters or at least from areas with heavy Sinn Fein support
So why they would attack their own supporters?
why would you suggest that?
A lot of people who support Sinn Fein think (thought) it was a nationalist party. Not so, as it turns out.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
What is left? If there was many about they'd be better served shooting all the drug dealers..
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
I would suggest that many of the protesters would be Sinn Fein supporters or at least from areas with heavy Sinn Fein support
So why they would attack their own supporters?
why would you suggest that?
Don't Sinn Fein have big support in the working class areas of Dublin?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/17/fintan-otoole-far-right-agitators-must-be-cut-off-from-local-communities-by-facts/
There needs to be a rapid response unit that gets accurate information out to people through the same channels that the far-right uses to propagate scare stories.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
I would suggest that many of the protesters would be Sinn Fein supporters or at least from areas with heavy Sinn Fein support
So why they would attack their own supporters?
why would you suggest that?
Don't Sinn Fein have big support in the working class areas of Dublin?
youre suggesting that these far right protestors would be SF supporters. Why?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Giving yourself away here
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:45:47 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:33:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 02, 2023, 03:29:50 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 01:33:58 PM
The question is why are the ira or what is left of them sitting back and allowing it to happen in years gone by would the likes of o dywer wall and carey not be getting a visit are the ira or the old guard scared to be seen as helping foreigners these groups have connections to loyalists and english groups aswell.
I would suggest that many of the protesters would be Sinn Fein supporters or at least from areas with heavy Sinn Fein support
So why they would attack their own supporters?
why would you suggest that?
Don't Sinn Fein have big support in the working class areas of Dublin?
youre suggesting that these far right protestors would be SF supporters. Why?
So you think that everyone who is out protesting is far right?
(Isn't one of the main people a former top guy with the Real IRA?)
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Quote from: seafoid on February 02, 2023, 03:47:59 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/17/fintan-otoole-far-right-agitators-must-be-cut-off-from-local-communities-by-facts/
There needs to be a rapid response unit that gets accurate information out to people through the same channels that the far-right uses to propagate scare stories.
Could you pst that article Seafoid of possible? Thanks
sinn fein are seen as pro mass immigration so i dont think these people protesting are sinn fein supporters and some of them have called for sinn fein members to be doorstepped.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Fascism is a cancer, and once it takes hold...
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:58:35 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Giving yourself away here
As what? Again - address the questions.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
Apparently Dublin based gangsters were at the protests so is this the start of narco facism and soverign citizen free men of the land types from tyrone.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on February 02, 2023, 04:08:33 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Fascism is a cancer, and once it takes hold...
Hiding behind the 'F' word again? Meaningless. An answer to the question?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Where were people like you from 69-98?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:58:35 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Giving yourself away here
As what? Again - address the questions.
A bellend. A twat. Take your pick
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 04:19:44 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:09:04 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 03:58:35 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
Giving yourself away here
As what? Again - address the questions.
A bellend. A twat. Take your pick
Haha! Again, no effort to answer the question. Says it all, really.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Ah yes it's harder to get an appointment with the GP. Young doctors are leaving the country in their droves as they can't even afford to buy a house. Vulture funds bulk buying housing and build to rent schemes causing the market to sky rocket. Aye but let's not blame FFG. Let's blame the shinners and the brown lad fleeing war torn countries. Once again you are being taken for fools. Just like the Brits in working class areas of England!
Trust me lad we've enough right wing trash merchants up here to do us a lifetime!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
The stench of these lies. Get doctors appointment? Comical that this the best lie you can come up with or remembered from one of the issues noted at these protests.
Bottom line is you haven't been affected at the slightest but are a racist.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Another little rascist crawls out from under his rock.
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Ah yes it's harder to get an appointment with the GP. Young doctors are leaving the country in their droves as they can't even afford to buy a house. Vulture funds bulk buying housing and build to rent schemes causing the market to sky rocket. Aye but let's not blame FFG. Let's blame the shinners and the brown lad fleeing war torn countries. Once again you are being taken for fools. Just like the Brits in working class areas of England!
Trust me lad we've enough right wing trash merchants up here to do us a lifetime!
Oh no, you're wrong - I do blame FFG. What makes you think otherwise? As for the housing shortage? No, no, nothing at all to do w/ mass immigration. Hmmm, wonder who's being taken for a fool?!
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
They can't think of anything else to say!
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Glad to help Rascist. Now step 2 is to go read a book.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Where is this "uncontrolled immigration"?
Non EU people have to have a visa to come here and a work permit to work here.
Others who seek International Protection have their cases examined and are deported if not entitled to it.
If only we could deport the 0.8% Nazi scum......
Every country in the world outside EU controls their borders for a huge number of reasons. Anyone inside the EU mentions it and they are automatically racist. Never really understood it.
Quote from: tyrone08 on February 02, 2023, 06:48:12 PM
Every country in the world outside EU controls their borders for a huge number of reasons. Anyone inside the EU mentions it and they are automatically racist. Never really understood it.
Yet they all have more migrants than here
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Ah yes it's harder to get an appointment with the GP. Young doctors are leaving the country in their droves as they can't even afford to buy a house. Vulture funds bulk buying housing and build to rent schemes causing the market to sky rocket. Aye but let's not blame FFG. Let's blame the shinners and the brown lad fleeing war torn countries. Once again you are being taken for fools. Just like the Brits in working class areas of England!
Trust me lad we've enough right wing trash merchants up here to do us a lifetime!
Oh no, you're wrong - I do blame FFG. What makes you think otherwise? As for the housing shortage? No, no, nothing at all to do w/ mass immigration. Hmmm, wonder who's being taken for a fool?!
How has ppl being put up in temporary accomodation anything to do with build to let policies and vulture funds mass buying new developments!! Developers (who are in bed with FFG) have cut social housing hence the shortage.
You'd fit in well around the Shankill Road. Essentially the same. Race to the bottom racist fools. Pity we can't round up the spongers (who claim to be working class) and put them on a boat!
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Where is this "uncontrolled immigration"?
Non EU people have to have a visa to come here and a work permit to work here.
Others who seek International Protection have their cases examined and are deported if not entitled to it.
If only we could deport the 0.8% Nazi scum......
That's just the thing; they're not deported. Or barely ever. So there's your "uncontrolled".
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
But you are taking the I'm all right Jack approach..
There's more to life than worrying about refugees's (allegedly) stopping you going to the doctors
people claming to be left wing looking down on working class basing their self worth on capatalism
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 07:11:07 PM
people claming to be left wing looking down on working class basing their self worth on capatalism
Define working class?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Ah yes it's harder to get an appointment with the GP. Young doctors are leaving the country in their droves as they can't even afford to buy a house. Vulture funds bulk buying housing and build to rent schemes causing the market to sky rocket. Aye but let's not blame FFG. Let's blame the shinners and the brown lad fleeing war torn countries. Once again you are being taken for fools. Just like the Brits in working class areas of England!
Trust me lad we've enough right wing trash merchants up here to do us a lifetime!
Oh no, you're wrong - I do blame FFG. What makes you think otherwise? As for the housing shortage? No, no, nothing at all to do w/ mass immigration. Hmmm, wonder who's being taken for a fool?!
How has ppl being put up in temporary accomodation anything to do with build to let policies and vulture funds mass buying new developments!! Developers (who are in bed with FFG) have cut social housing hence the shortage.
You'd fit in well around the Shankill Road. Essentially the same. Race to the bottom racist fools. Pity we can't round up the spongers (who claim to be working class) and put them on a boat!
You really think the enormous influx of people (legal and illegal) has no impact on the housing market? Wow.
I'm not defending spongers at all. Just surprised you want to replace our own ones with foreign ones. You know, you do realise that the welfare state is a big 'pull-factor'? Talk about the race to the bottom. Heh.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 07:03:09 PM
There's more to life than worrying about refugees's (allegedly) stopping you going to the doctors
Yeah, well - you could say that about anything anyone debates on a discussion board.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Where is this "uncontrolled immigration"?
Non EU people have to have a visa to come here and a work permit to work here.
Others who seek International Protection have their cases examined and are deported if not entitled to it.
If only we could deport the 0.8% Nazi scum......
That's just the thing; they're not deported. Or barely ever. So there's your "uncontrolled".
How do you know how often they are deported?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 07:19:01 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 07:00:52 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 06:26:07 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 04:32:03 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:25:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 04:07:53 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 03:58:51 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 03:48:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 03:36:21 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 02, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 02, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
Absolute scumbags. Suppose you can protest at night when you've no work to go to in the morning. Same people, same mindset as loyalists!
Exactly my thoughts, behaving like Loyalists!
At least they're doing SOMETHING. Beats sitting around and wondering where the hell your country or community has gone. Or would you rather see an unending stream of migrants here? IS there a limit? Because the way some people go on, we should provide for anyone and everyone who washes up on our shores.
More brains in a false face!
Well said
Go on then Rossfan - or Walter Cronc: should we provide for everyone who washes up on our shores? Is there a limit? You know, no point implying I'm 'brainless' if you won't even address the question I posed.
How are you impacted? on a personal level? Has anyone taken your job or stopped you from doing your day to day stuff?
By mass immigration? I'm self-employed, so obviously not affected in that respect. However, it is noticeably harder to get doctors' appointments for family members, not to mention an incident where I had to get the guards last year.
But, in any case, it's not all about a gripe I hold, personally. Or should I just take the "I'm all right, Jack" attitude?
Ah yes it's harder to get an appointment with the GP. Young doctors are leaving the country in their droves as they can't even afford to buy a house. Vulture funds bulk buying housing and build to rent schemes causing the market to sky rocket. Aye but let's not blame FFG. Let's blame the shinners and the brown lad fleeing war torn countries. Once again you are being taken for fools. Just like the Brits in working class areas of England!
Trust me lad we've enough right wing trash merchants up here to do us a lifetime!
Oh no, you're wrong - I do blame FFG. What makes you think otherwise? As for the housing shortage? No, no, nothing at all to do w/ mass immigration. Hmmm, wonder who's being taken for a fool?!
How has ppl being put up in temporary accomodation anything to do with build to let policies and vulture funds mass buying new developments!! Developers (who are in bed with FFG) have cut social housing hence the shortage.
You'd fit in well around the Shankill Road. Essentially the same. Race to the bottom racist fools. Pity we can't round up the spongers (who claim to be working class) and put them on a boat!
You really think the enormous influx of people (legal and illegal) has no impact on the housing market? Wow.
I'm not defending spongers at all. Just surprised you want to replace our own ones with foreign ones. You know, you do realise that the welfare state is a big 'pull-factor'? Talk about the race to the bottom. Heh.
Fix the problem at government not at the people who are coming here. Fix that then move on
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Where is this "uncontrolled immigration"?
Non EU people have to have a visa to come here and a work permit to work here.
Others who seek International Protection have their cases examined and are deported if not entitled to it.
If only we could deport the 0.8% Nazi scum......
That's just the thing; they're not deported. Or barely ever. So there's your "uncontrolled".
How do you know how often they are deported?
There are different figures available for different years, but it's fair to say fewer than 20% are deported.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 07:48:57 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 02, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Where is this "uncontrolled immigration"?
Non EU people have to have a visa to come here and a work permit to work here.
Others who seek International Protection have their cases examined and are deported if not entitled to it.
If only we could deport the 0.8% Nazi scum......
That's just the thing; they're not deported. Or barely ever. So there's your "uncontrolled".
How do you know how often they are deported?
There are different figures available for different years, but it's fair to say fewer than 20% are deported.
So they are being deported?
Get the right legislation put in place with proper effort to follow it through. If the system is wrong that's a government problem. Venting anger and mob rule directed at refugees/immigrants/illegal immigrants is not fixing the problem.
In the mean time stay healthy ;)
On that the wife was at her surgery yesterday she said most there were foreign, I said did you get seen? She did, and came home.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64487361.amp
Violent man killed stranger on busy Oxford Street
A violent offender killed a complete stranger in a "ferocious" knife attack in London's busy Oxford Street.
An Old Bailey jury took one hour to rule that Tedi Fanta, 27, who was on bail, had fatally stabbed Stephen Dempsey, 60, in July 2021, after travelling from his home in Swansea.
The ruling came after Fanta was judged medically unfit to stand trial.
The "very, very ill" young man will be sentenced after a psychiatrist can be called to give evidence.
Judge Michael Topolski KC indicated Fanta was likely to get a hospital order with restrictions.
The court previously heard Fanta had brandished the weapon and jumped on the retired civil servant from behind outside the Microsoft store in Oxford Street shortly before 20:00BST.
A pair of passing skateboarders leapt into action and hit Fanta with their boards in a bid to disarm him, the Old Bailey was told.
Police rushing to the scene after reports of the stabbing unfolded
Image caption,
Police rushed to the scene after reports of the stabbing unfolded
They then helped to restrain the attacker until armed police arrived, while other members of the public tended to the victim, who was visiting the capital from Essex.
When police arrived, Fanta was speaking in an "incoherent manner" and had a head injury from a blow from a skateboard.
Mr Dempsey, who was born in Belfast, had suffered four stab wounds and died in hospital later that night from a knife injury to the chest.
Previous convictions
Prosecutor Caroline Carberry KC said Fanta had carried out a "frenzied and fatal attack".
The court was told Eritrean-born Fanta, who arrived in Britain in 2014, had previous convictions for criminal damage, assaulting a police constable and emergency worker, and was on bail at the time of the killing.
Ms Carberry KC said he had been arrested on 18 June 2021 - days before the killing - for "brandishing a saw" in Swansea.
He was bailed by police for that offence, to appear at Swansea Magistrates' Court at a later date.
Fanta was initially charged with murder and possessing a knife following Mr Dempsey's death, but was judged unfit to stand trial and jurors instead deliberated whether he committed the acts alleged against him.
In a victim impact statement, Kathleen Dempsey said her brother was an "unassuming" man who had lived in Leigh-on-Sea in Essex since he was a child.
Mitigating, Patrick Upward KC said Fanta was conscripted into the Eritrean army aged 12 or 13 and was later shot and tortured.
He eventually sought sanctuary in the UK and was granted refugee status but "by then the damage had been done", he added.
more protests in ballymun tonight.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 07:54:20 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64487361.amp
Violent man killed stranger on busy Oxford Street
A violent offender killed a complete stranger in a "ferocious" knife attack in London's busy Oxford Street.
An Old Bailey jury took one hour to rule that Tedi Fanta, 27, who was on bail, had fatally stabbed Stephen Dempsey, 60, in July 2021, after travelling from his home in Swansea.
The ruling came after Fanta was judged medically unfit to stand trial.
The "very, very ill" young man will be sentenced after a psychiatrist can be called to give evidence.
Judge Michael Topolski KC indicated Fanta was likely to get a hospital order with restrictions.
The court previously heard Fanta had brandished the weapon and jumped on the retired civil servant from behind outside the Microsoft store in Oxford Street shortly before 20:00BST.
A pair of passing skateboarders leapt into action and hit Fanta with their boards in a bid to disarm him, the Old Bailey was told.
Police rushing to the scene after reports of the stabbing unfolded
Image caption,
Police rushed to the scene after reports of the stabbing unfolded
They then helped to restrain the attacker until armed police arrived, while other members of the public tended to the victim, who was visiting the capital from Essex.
When police arrived, Fanta was speaking in an "incoherent manner" and had a head injury from a blow from a skateboard.
Mr Dempsey, who was born in Belfast, had suffered four stab wounds and died in hospital later that night from a knife injury to the chest.
Previous convictions
Prosecutor Caroline Carberry KC said Fanta had carried out a "frenzied and fatal attack".
The court was told Eritrean-born Fanta, who arrived in Britain in 2014, had previous convictions for criminal damage, assaulting a police constable and emergency worker, and was on bail at the time of the killing.
Ms Carberry KC said he had been arrested on 18 June 2021 - days before the killing - for "brandishing a saw" in Swansea.
He was bailed by police for that offence, to appear at Swansea Magistrates' Court at a later date.
Fanta was initially charged with murder and possessing a knife following Mr Dempsey's death, but was judged unfit to stand trial and jurors instead deliberated whether he committed the acts alleged against him.
In a victim impact statement, Kathleen Dempsey said her brother was an "unassuming" man who had lived in Leigh-on-Sea in Essex since he was a child.
Mitigating, Patrick Upward KC said Fanta was conscripted into the Eritrean army aged 12 or 13 and was later shot and tortured.
He eventually sought sanctuary in the UK and was granted refugee status but "by then the damage had been done", he added.
The point of this is what exactly?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:00:05 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 07:54:20 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64487361.amp
Violent man killed stranger on busy Oxford Street
A violent offender killed a complete stranger in a "ferocious" knife attack in London's busy Oxford Street.
An Old Bailey jury took one hour to rule that Tedi Fanta, 27, who was on bail, had fatally stabbed Stephen Dempsey, 60, in July 2021, after travelling from his home in Swansea.
The ruling came after Fanta was judged medically unfit to stand trial.
The "very, very ill" young man will be sentenced after a psychiatrist can be called to give evidence.
Judge Michael Topolski KC indicated Fanta was likely to get a hospital order with restrictions.
The court previously heard Fanta had brandished the weapon and jumped on the retired civil servant from behind outside the Microsoft store in Oxford Street shortly before 20:00BST.
A pair of passing skateboarders leapt into action and hit Fanta with their boards in a bid to disarm him, the Old Bailey was told.
Police rushing to the scene after reports of the stabbing unfolded
Image caption,
Police rushed to the scene after reports of the stabbing unfolded
They then helped to restrain the attacker until armed police arrived, while other members of the public tended to the victim, who was visiting the capital from Essex.
When police arrived, Fanta was speaking in an "incoherent manner" and had a head injury from a blow from a skateboard.
Mr Dempsey, who was born in Belfast, had suffered four stab wounds and died in hospital later that night from a knife injury to the chest.
Previous convictions
Prosecutor Caroline Carberry KC said Fanta had carried out a "frenzied and fatal attack".
The court was told Eritrean-born Fanta, who arrived in Britain in 2014, had previous convictions for criminal damage, assaulting a police constable and emergency worker, and was on bail at the time of the killing.
Ms Carberry KC said he had been arrested on 18 June 2021 - days before the killing - for "brandishing a saw" in Swansea.
He was bailed by police for that offence, to appear at Swansea Magistrates' Court at a later date.
Fanta was initially charged with murder and possessing a knife following Mr Dempsey's death, but was judged unfit to stand trial and jurors instead deliberated whether he committed the acts alleged against him.
In a victim impact statement, Kathleen Dempsey said her brother was an "unassuming" man who had lived in Leigh-on-Sea in Essex since he was a child.
Mitigating, Patrick Upward KC said Fanta was conscripted into the Eritrean army aged 12 or 13 and was later shot and tortured.
He eventually sought sanctuary in the UK and was granted refugee status but "by then the damage had been done", he added.
The point of this is what exactly?
Holy f*CK. I wonder did any Irish men commit crimes in the US circa 1850 onwards!
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
That man murdered randomly in London by the Eritrean asylum seeker was Irish and from Belfast according to the report.
Quote from: full moon on February 02, 2023, 08:16:48 PM
That man murdered randomly in London by the Eritrean asylum seeker was Irish and from Belfast according to the report.
And..?
Surprising that an Eritrean child soldier didn't settle or integrate in the UK
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
Quote from: J70 on February 02, 2023, 08:21:01 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 02, 2023, 08:16:48 PM
That man murdered randomly in London by the Eritrean asylum seeker was Irish and from Belfast according to the report.
And..?
And I'm assuming that's why the poster posted that article. It was an asylum seeker murdering an innocent Irish man on the news today.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
Who's importing them?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Question for the Rascists who want foreigners coming in controlled. What 3 nationalities makes up the biggest group of non Irish in this country. Apologies Rascists, may require you to actually read something
Far right !! See how quickly the parrots repeat what they are told , the insults are flying too , loyalists being a new one .
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
I bet you are anti vaccines and believe 5g gives you cancer and allows the government to track you. You morons are the same the world over.
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Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Pal. Get a grip. So you haven't been watching the news today then. Makes sense. Dress it up however you want but the simple fact is you don't like immigrants and you are using this to try and justify that dislike
I don't get it, these immigrants are all over here freeloading yet clogging up the GP surgeries at 65 euros a pop ???
Quote from: thebigfella on February 02, 2023, 09:11:12 PM
I don't get it, they aware all over freeloading yet clogging up the GP surgeries at 65 euros a pop ???
What country did you migrate from cos thats not English you are writing there and can't get Google translate to identify it.
Quote from: Itchy on February 02, 2023, 09:05:48 PM
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Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
I bet you are anti vaccines and believe 5g gives you cancer and allows the government to track you. You morons are the same the world over.
Jumping to conclusions, I see? In fact, I did get the vaccine. Completely different topic, but anyway...
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Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Pal. Get a grip. So you haven't been watching the news today then. Makes sense. Dress it up however you want but the simple fact is you don't like immigrants and you are using this to try and justify that dislike
No, I admit, I didn't watch the news today. Too busy wasting my time with arguing on the internet. Tell us, what did I miss?!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:22:53 PM
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Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Pal. Get a grip. So you haven't been watching the news today then. Makes sense. Dress it up however you want but the simple fact is you don't like immigrants and you are using this to try and justify that dislike
No, I admit, I didn't watch the news today. Too busy wasting my time with arguing on the internet. Tell us, what did I miss?!
Just your fellow scumbags marching in Ballymun with their faces covered. The irony of one banner talking about plantation in Ireland
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
Citation needed on this one. In the US it's a known fact that immigrants are significantly underrepresented in the ranks of criminals.
Are Immigrants More Likely to Commit Crimes? (https://econofact.org/are-immigrants-more-likely-to-commit-crimes)
Comparing Crime Rates Between Undocumented Immigrants, Legal Immigrants, and Native-born US Citizens in Texas (https://www.ojp.gov/library/publications/comparing-crime-rates-between-undocumented-immigrants-legal-immigrants-and)
Quote from: Eire90 on February 02, 2023, 07:11:07 PM
people claming to be left wing looking down on working class basing their self worth on capatalism
I'm convinced this poster is one of those AI / ChatGPT creations
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Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Pal. Get a grip. So you haven't been watching the news today then. Makes sense. Dress it up however you want but the simple fact is you don't like immigrants and you are using this to try and justify that dislike
No, I admit, I didn't watch the news today. Too busy wasting my time with arguing on the internet. Tell us, what did I miss?!
Just your fellow scumbags marching in Ballymun with their faces covered. The irony of one banner talking about plantation in Ireland
Oh, you think I'm a sc**bag, eh? When you're the one who stoops to personal abuse and name-calling? You're some lad, all right. But it's fine, it just shows me that that's all you have. Keep it up!
I'm surprised RTE actually covered that. Did their best to paint it in a bad light, no doubt. Where's the irony in the banner, by the way?
Wow! They censored "sc**bag" for me, but not "scumbags" for you! It's a conspiracy - eh, Wally!!?
Which parties do the protesters vote for?
Can the mods please look into the i.p addresses of some of these trolls and ban the sock puppets. And let us know who the original poster is (my money is on angelo from aughnacloy)
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:56:34 PM
Wow! They censored "sc**bag" for me, but not "scumbags" for you! It's a conspiracy - eh, Wally!!?
They also didn't censor scumbags for you.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Pal. Get a grip. So you haven't been watching the news today then. Makes sense. Dress it up however you want but the simple fact is you don't like immigrants and you are using this to try and justify that dislike
No, I admit, I didn't watch the news today. Too busy wasting my time with arguing on the internet. Tell us, what did I miss?!
No denial that you just don't like immigrants I see
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:22:53 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 09:07:26 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:01:41 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:40:56 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 08:27:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 08:07:59 PM
I wonder if any Irish men have committed crimes in Ireland recently. Or been charged with murder??
You realise this is a stupid thing to say, yes? In a lot of categories of crime, immigrants are way over-represented. Including, by the way, murder and rape. And even if they weren't, it still makes no sense to import criminals when we have enough of our own already.
It's not a stupid thing to say at all. Irish people commit crime. Or do you not watch the news?
Listen, pal - immigrants are more likely to commit crimes like rape and murder than members of the native populace. That's what "over-represented" means. This has been shown by figures from France and Sweden. I'm sure it would also be true from figures from other European countries. And as for America - well, I guess you just wouldn't want to hear about that...
As for watching the news - HAH! Don't make me laugh. Journalists are 'trained' not to divulge the ethnicity of a criminal 'unless it's pertinent to the case'. Unless they're white Irish, of course, in which case it's OK. Almost all Irish news outlets are skewed in favour of immigration and play the "immigrant as victim" game. The Irish Times being amongst the worst, and bordering on dishonest, to boot.
And yes, well done, we all know Irish people commit crime. Good point, man. Sheesh.
Pal. Get a grip. So you haven't been watching the news today then. Makes sense. Dress it up however you want but the simple fact is you don't like immigrants and you are using this to try and justify that dislike
No, I admit, I didn't watch the news today. Too busy wasting my time with arguing on the internet. Tell us, what did I miss?!
No denial that you just don't like immigrants I see
Some of them are fine. But I can't deny I don't like mass immigration. I don't think it's good for the country, or indeed, western Europe in general. Why else would I bother arguing about it??!
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 10:20:47 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 09:56:34 PM
Wow! They censored "sc**bag" for me, but not "scumbags" for you! It's a conspiracy - eh, Wally!!?
They also didn't censor scumbags for you.
I was joking. Lighten up.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 08:24:04 PM
Surprising that an Eritrean child soldier didn't settle or integrate in the UK
Fair point.
However, surely this lad wasn't the only child soldier granted asylum in the west.
Is he typical?
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify, did the violent right wing locals mete out the same treatment to the white Irish rapist in finglas? Or does he get a bye ball?
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
Why are people trying tk defend immigrant rapists by saying we have irish rapists?
Quote from: general_lee on February 03, 2023, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify, did the violent right wing locals mete out the same treatment to the white Irish rapist in finglas? Or does he get a bye ball?
No idea (and completely irrelevant )
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
Was he threatening to rape children?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
Why don't you seek him out and put him up in your house or your neighborhood?
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
Why don't you seek him out and put him up in your house or your neighborhood?
Have you a link there whitey?
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 03, 2023, 11:50:33 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:49:50 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
Why don't you seek him out and put him up in your house or your neighborhood?
Have you a link there whitey?
A link to what
That's what's stated in the original link
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 03, 2023, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify, did the violent right wing locals mete out the same treatment to the white Irish rapist in finglas? Or does he get a bye ball?
No idea (and completely irrelevant )
Completely relevant, it's in the same article and the same right wing fascists spread lies about it being a foreign national.
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Did he though? Says who?
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 03, 2023, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify, did the violent right wing locals mete out the same treatment to the white Irish rapist in finglas? Or does he get a bye ball?
No idea (and completely irrelevant )
It's not irrelevant. These people don't care about women. How many of the far right organisers have been involved in violence against women campaigns. Or housing protests. Or hospitals. Or anything
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 03, 2023, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Did he though? Says who?
The employees of the hospital who called the guards
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 03, 2023, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 03, 2023, 11:37:42 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify, did the violent right wing locals mete out the same treatment to the white Irish rapist in finglas? Or does he get a bye ball?
No idea (and completely irrelevant )
It's not irrelevant. These people don't care about women. How many of the far right organisers have been involved in violence against women campaigns. Or housing protests. Or hospitals. Or anything
Great logic altogether
Because we have Irish criminals and rapists we should open the floodgates to invite even more into the country from overseas
Keep her lit
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 12:16:24 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 03, 2023, 12:05:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Did he though? Says who?
The employees of the hospital who called the guards
Where did you get that? It doesn't say the employees called the guards in that article (maybe there are other articles). It says,
"It is understood a hospital staff member may have informed people in the locality and a group of people arrived at the scene."
I think the guards arrived after the group.
It also says
"While they are treating the remarks seriously and are investigating the matter, gardaí believe he is a "vulnerable adult" with possible mental health issues and that he may not have posed a real threat.
He was released from the Garda station, but was followed by the group."
I'll admit to not knowing much more than this but on reading that article it's not quite the picture you painted.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
I don't see from anything quoted above, where you can come to the logical conclusion that Whitey is ok with thugs beating up a foreigner. Your have a nasty streak of deliberately misrepresenting forum users.
Personally I have never attended a protest of any description in my life, be it the closure of the A&E in Roscommon or Anti Abortion rallies. The ones in East Wall completely inconvenience people trying to get from A to Z, also unfortunately have some serious nasty gobshites in their ranks. The problem should be with Irish Government Policy & not the migrants themselves. There is no political party in Ireland worth anything at the moment, its truly frightening how aligned the 3 main parties are in their policies & beliefs. People say Sinn Fein & FF / FG are going to get destroyed at the next election, but what is the alternative? I'm centre right in my political beliefs, there is no party for me.
The lefties on here are bizzare, no mention of the black refugee, who's behaved like an animal in a video I posed yesterday, only a clamour of posts vilifying our own scumbags. Black or White we should all condemn poor behaviour.
The old Trump doctrine -all foreigners are rapists, murderers, criminals so we can't let anyone in to our Country.
Whitey really showing his true colours.
The soft tolerance of extremists and subtle agreeing with their message (intolerant locals!!) is the first step towards a Fascist nazi State.
Germany 1929 onwards for the precedent.
Nearly got away with it in the US January 2021.
Quote from: Rudi on February 03, 2023, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
I don't see from anything quoted above, where you can come to the logical conclusion that Whitey is ok with thugs beating up a foreigner. Your have a nasty streak of deliberately misrepresenting forum users.
Personally I have never attended a protest of any description in my life, be it the closure of the A&E in Roscommon or Anti Abortion rallies. The ones in East Wall completely inconvenience people trying to get from A to Z, also unfortunately have some serious nasty gobshites in their ranks. The problem should be with Irish Government Policy & not the migrants themselves. There is no political party in Ireland worth anything at the moment, its truly frightening how aligned the 3 main parties are in their policies & beliefs. People say Sinn Fein & FF / FG are going to get destroyed at the next election, but what is the alternative? I'm centre right in my political beliefs, there is no party for me.
The lefties on here are bizzare, no mention of the black refugee, who's behaved like an animal in a video I posed yesterday, only a clamour of posts vilifying our own scumbags. Black or White we should all condemn poor behaviour.
Does it need condemned? I think it would be a given, that all posters would condemn that behaviour. I'm slightly left of centre myself so don't know if I qualify as a leftie, but can't see anyone left or right condoning that behaviour. Do you think anyone would?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 12:36:53 PM
The old Trump doctrine -all foreigners are rapists, murderers, criminals so we can't let anyone in to our Country.
Whitey really showing his true colours.
The soft tolerance of extremists and subtle agreeing with their message (intolerant locals!!) is the first step towards a Fascist nazi State.
Germany 1929 onwards for the precedent.
Nearly got away with it in the US January 2021.
Don't you have something better to be doing, like listening to your Brendan Shine record collection
You didn't answer my question
Is this poor innocent crathur is a victim of the far right, why don't you seek him out and put him up for a few weeks?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 03, 2023, 12:46:49 PM
Quote from: Rudi on February 03, 2023, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:47:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 03, 2023, 11:27:19 AM
These fkn scum want stopping and soon
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41063030.html
Just to clarify
A migrant went into a hospital and said he wanted to rape children
And that triggered a violent response by the locals
Just to clarify...
A gang of masked extremist neo Nazi sc**bag thugs beat up a foreigner.
But in whitey world that's OK.
I don't see from anything quoted above, where you can come to the logical conclusion that Whitey is ok with thugs beating up a foreigner. Your have a nasty streak of deliberately misrepresenting forum users.
Personally I have never attended a protest of any description in my life, be it the closure of the A&E in Roscommon or Anti Abortion rallies. The ones in East Wall completely inconvenience people trying to get from A to Z, also unfortunately have some serious nasty gobshites in their ranks. The problem should be with Irish Government Policy & not the migrants themselves. There is no political party in Ireland worth anything at the moment, its truly frightening how aligned the 3 main parties are in their policies & beliefs. People say Sinn Fein & FF / FG are going to get destroyed at the next election, but what is the alternative? I'm centre right in my political beliefs, there is no party for me.
The lefties on here are bizzare, no mention of the black refugee, who's behaved like an animal in a video I posed yesterday, only a clamour of posts vilifying our own scumbags. Black or White we should all condemn poor behaviour.
Does it need condemned? I think it would be a given, that all posters would condemn that behaviour. I'm slightly left of centre myself so don't know if I qualify as a leftie, but can't see anyone left or right condoning that behaviour. Do you think anyone would?
Don't know trueblue, sometimes I think if it was to strengthen ones agenda, moral compase would jump out the window, with some of the forum users here.
On a separate note we had grown adults in their 40's & 50's posting anonymous on a Gaa forum, calling other posters fascists, bellends, comparing them to loyalists on the Shankill. Calling them racists, more brains on a face face. Some lads on here need to go out for a few pints & get the odd ride or something.
I had packed this forum in for a few weeks, with the intention of never coming back, then the beat player that ever was decided to retire - f%c k you Michael Murphy ;D
There's a reason why we have borders but unfortunately for white people the anti white people are in charge. Statistically speaking black on white crime is off the scale. I could write a book on this subject.
People losing the run of themselves.. There was a old thread either here or on the older forum about Irish people not being racist's, from memory it was a decent thread.. Now its polorised ta feck!!
Putting colours to crime is wrong, crime is carried out by PEOPLE that are more disadvantaged than others, poor, no education, troubled families and so on, colour has nothing to do with it
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 03, 2023, 01:31:43 PM
There's a reason why we have borders but unfortunately for white people the anti white people are in charge. Statistically speaking black on white crime is off the scale. I could write a book on this subject.
anti white people are in charge. Have you ever heard the like of it
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
depends on why they have a problem
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 03, 2023, 02:20:32 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 03, 2023, 01:31:43 PM
There's a reason why we have borders but unfortunately for white people the anti white people are in charge. Statistically speaking black on white crime is off the scale. I could write a book on this subject.
anti white people are in charge. Have you ever heard the like of it
can't wait for the book
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
100%
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on February 03, 2023, 01:31:43 PM
There's a reason why we have borders but unfortunately for white people the anti white people are in charge. Statistically speaking black on white crime is off the scale. I could write a book on this subject.
Most of the rest of us are chatting about immigrants. You seem to be having a different discussion. This post might be better deleted.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 01:37:23 PM
People losing the run of themselves.. There was a old thread either here or on the older forum about Irish people not being racist's, from memory it was a decent thread.. Now its polorised ta feck!!
Putting colours to crime is wrong, crime is carried out by PEOPLE that are more disadvantaged than others, poor, no education, troubled families and so on, colour has nothing to do with it
Clash of cultures can be a big problem though. Some countries have a very backward view on a lot of things we take for granted. Men rule, women are second class citizens, should dress appropriately, should not be unchaperoned etc Views that are incompatible with western values. Throwing in civil war, genocide, extreme poverty, lack of education, non existence of medical (both physical and mental histories), there are clearly people, regardless if they are to blame or not, should not be let loose en masse into a new society without vetting and various supports. But as it is our resources are already over stretched with a chronic void in mental health care, social housing not to mention others. So I think people are entitled to be worried and to take any government reassurances, given their track record in competence, with a pinch of salt.
Unfortunately it's a very contentious issue that needs frank an adult discussion and taking all available data and facts onboard. Something we are clearly a very long ways off doing.
It's of course fair that the pros and cons should be discussed.
But what is supposed to be done with refugees?
Whether it's Syrians or Ukrainians or victims if wherever the next conflict is, do we just turn our back and "say not our problem, we have enough to deal with ourselves"?
I'm sure most countries are in the same boat.
How do you prepare for a sudden onslaught of displaced refugees?
Have a bunch of facilities waiting around and bring maintained for that purpose?
Because then you'll hear all about the waste and how they could be better used for our own people.
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
It's of course fair that the pros and cons should be discussed.
But what is supposed to be done with refugees?
Whether it's Syrians or Ukrainians or victims if wherever the next conflict is, do we just turn our back and "say not our problem, we have enough to deal with ourselves"?
I'm sure most countries are in the same boat.
How do you prepare for a sudden onslaught of displaced refugees?
Have a bunch of facilities waiting around and bring maintained for that purpose?
Because then you'll hear all about the waste and how they could be better used for our own people.
I have no idea J70. But I'd have extreme reservations about dumping them into a particular area that have not the resources or support to cater for them. That has been tried over and over throughout history with the end product being ghettos.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 01:37:23 PM
People losing the run of themselves.. There was a old thread either here or on the older forum about Irish people not being racist's, from memory it was a decent thread.. Now its polorised ta feck!!
Putting colours to crime is wrong, crime is carried out by PEOPLE that are more disadvantaged than others, poor, no education, troubled families and so on, colour has nothing to do with it
Clash of cultures can be a big problem though. Some countries have a very backward view on a lot of things we take for granted. Men rule, women are second class citizens, should dress appropriately, should not be unchaperoned etc Views that are incompatible with western values. Throwing in civil war, genocide, extreme poverty, lack of education, non existence of medical (both physical and mental histories), there are clearly people, regardless if they are to blame or not, should not be let loose en masse into a new society without vetting and various supports. But as it is our resources are already over stretched with a chronic void in mental health care, social housing not to mention others. So I think people are entitled to be worried and to take any government reassurances, given their track record in competence, with a pinch of salt.
Unfortunately it's a very contentious issue that needs frank an adult discussion and taking all available data and facts onboard. Something we are clearly a very long ways off doing.
This was the Irish down to a tee when heading over to America back in the day
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 01:37:23 PM
People losing the run of themselves.. There was a old thread either here or on the older forum about Irish people not being racist's, from memory it was a decent thread.. Now its polorised ta feck!!
Putting colours to crime is wrong, crime is carried out by PEOPLE that are more disadvantaged than others, poor, no education, troubled families and so on, colour has nothing to do with it
Clash of cultures can be a big problem though. Some countries have a very backward view on a lot of things we take for granted. Men rule, women are second class citizens, should dress appropriately, should not be unchaperoned etc Views that are incompatible with western values. Throwing in civil war, genocide, extreme poverty, lack of education, non existence of medical (both physical and mental histories), there are clearly people, regardless if they are to blame or not, should not be let loose en masse into a new society without vetting and various supports. But as it is our resources are already over stretched with a chronic void in mental health care, social housing not to mention others. So I think people are entitled to be worried and to take any government reassurances, given their track record in competence, with a pinch of salt.
Unfortunately it's a very contentious issue that needs frank an adult discussion and taking all available data and facts onboard. Something we are clearly a very long ways off doing.
This was the Irish down to a tee when heading over to America back in the day
Oh yeah, would that be the Jim Crow America. A very enlightened place.
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
Confused with the first line, he's just a lovely fella, I don't need to know his colour at all
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
Confused with the first line, he's just a lovely fella, I don't need to know his colour at all
Unconfuse yourself then. (that's how the almost 90 year old Irish person described their carer to me, so it's entirely relevant to the discussion at hand and allegations of racism that are being bandied about)
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
It's of course fair that the pros and cons should be discussed.
But what is supposed to be done with refugees?
Whether it's Syrians or Ukrainians or victims if wherever the next conflict is, do we just turn our back and "say not our problem, we have enough to deal with ourselves"?
I'm sure most countries are in the same boat.
How do you prepare for a sudden onslaught of displaced refugees?
Have a bunch of facilities waiting around and bring maintained for that purpose?
Because then you'll hear all about the waste and how they could be better used for our own people.
I have no idea J70. But I'd have extreme reservations about dumping them into a particular area that have not the resources or support to cater for them. That has been tried over and over throughout history with the end product being ghettos.
But that's my point.
Is ANYWHERE ever prepared for a sudden influx of refugees?
Should governments now be planning for this, building facilities which can be mobilized in the event?
Will people accept their governments spending money for this type of eventuality?
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
It's of course fair that the pros and cons should be discussed.
But what is supposed to be done with refugees?
Whether it's Syrians or Ukrainians or victims if wherever the next conflict is, do we just turn our back and "say not our problem, we have enough to deal with ourselves"?
I'm sure most countries are in the same boat.
How do you prepare for a sudden onslaught of displaced refugees?
Have a bunch of facilities waiting around and bring maintained for that purpose?
Because then you'll hear all about the waste and how they could be better used for our own people.
I have no idea J70. But I'd have extreme reservations about dumping them into a particular area that have not the resources or support to cater for them. That has been tried over and over throughout history with the end product being ghettos.
But that's my point.
Is ANYWHERE ever prepared for a sudden influx of refugees?
Should governments now be planning for this, building facilities which can be mobilized in the event?
Will people accept their governments spending money for this type of eventuality?
J70
The concentration of these centers in rural Ireland and working class areas is a big bone of contention
If diversity (in this form) is such a plus to society, how come the good folks of Foxrock and Dalkey aren't clamoring to house some of these folks in their neighborhoods
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
It's of course fair that the pros and cons should be discussed.
But what is supposed to be done with refugees?
Whether it's Syrians or Ukrainians or victims if wherever the next conflict is, do we just turn our back and "say not our problem, we have enough to deal with ourselves"?
I'm sure most countries are in the same boat.
How do you prepare for a sudden onslaught of displaced refugees?
Have a bunch of facilities waiting around and bring maintained for that purpose?
Because then you'll hear all about the waste and how they could be better used for our own people.
I have no idea J70. But I'd have extreme reservations about dumping them into a particular area that have not the resources or support to cater for them. That has been tried over and over throughout history with the end product being ghettos.
But that's my point.
Is ANYWHERE ever prepared for a sudden influx of refugees?
Should governments now be planning for this, building facilities which can be mobilized in the event?
Will people accept their governments spending money for this type of eventuality?
J70
The concentration of these centers in rural Ireland and working class areas is a big bone of contention
If diversity (in this form) is such a plus to society, how come the good folks of Foxrock and Dalkey aren't clamoring to house some of these folks in their neighborhoods
That's fair enough.
And certainly fair game for discussion.
My point was more about the general issue of trying to cope with large quantities of displaced people.
Most countries are "full" as such when it comes to accommodating refugees. But they have to go somewhere to be looked after.
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 03:59:13 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 03:34:01 PM
It's of course fair that the pros and cons should be discussed.
But what is supposed to be done with refugees?
Whether it's Syrians or Ukrainians or victims if wherever the next conflict is, do we just turn our back and "say not our problem, we have enough to deal with ourselves"?
I'm sure most countries are in the same boat.
How do you prepare for a sudden onslaught of displaced refugees?
Have a bunch of facilities waiting around and bring maintained for that purpose?
Because then you'll hear all about the waste and how they could be better used for our own people.
I have no idea J70. But I'd have extreme reservations about dumping them into a particular area that have not the resources or support to cater for them. That has been tried over and over throughout history with the end product being ghettos.
But that's my point.
Is ANYWHERE ever prepared for a sudden influx of refugees?
Should governments now be planning for this, building facilities which can be mobilized in the event?
Will people accept their governments spending money for this type of eventuality?
If there were better facilities and resources, if you could increase the number of teachers, doctors, GPs, Gardai etc at drop of a hat to accommodate any influx, of course peoples' backs wouldn't get up so quick. But that's so big an if it's a pipe dream. A similar if, if politicians of war mongering countries were held to account, if weapons manufacturers and exporters were left with the clean up costs of the carnage their practices create, the world would be a different place. But it is what it is and people are not stupid.
Whitey makes a valid point, if government just dumped these people into the neighbourhoods of our betters instead of into these ill-bred racist communities, would it not be better? Or would the well to do be less sneery.
There aren't as many empty or derelict buildings in well to do City/Suburban areas.
Mind you the main Churchrs must have a good few buildings not used any more. Could they not do as asked by their "founder" and make them available?
Quote from: J70 on February 03, 2023, 04:35:58 PM
Should governments now be planning for this, building facilities which can be mobilized in the event?
Will people accept their governments spending money for this type of eventuality?
I think the UN or the like could have a stockpile of prefab houses or similar which could be moved where ever in the world the need was greatest.
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 04:38:27 PM
The concentration of these centers in rural Ireland and working class areas is a big bone of contention
If diversity (in this form) is such a plus to society, how come the good folks of Foxrock and Dalkey aren't clamoring to house some of these folks in their neighborhoods
The government policy is to put people where they can, that would include Foxrock or Dalkey if there were vacant buildings there that they could get a hold of. I live in South Co. Dublin and had a refugee centre 500m from my house for many years, but that site was then redeveloped and is not available now. And of course it is the people of Foxrock and Dalkey who are paying for it.
Quote from: Look-Up! on February 03, 2023, 04:58:00 PM
If there were better facilities and resources, if you could increase the number of teachers, doctors, GPs, Gardai etc at drop of a hat to accommodate any influx, of course peoples' backs wouldn't get up so quick.
There are people with skills, especially among the Ukrainians, as the population of entire towns have been made refugees. Recognition of qualification stuff means that these cannot practice their profession and perhaps something can be done about that or you can hote a Ukrainian as a teaching assistant etc.
Either spread refugees around more fairly or invest serious money in receiving areas. Working class communities have been shafted for a few decades as house prices soared beyond their reach.
Average income is 44k or so. Average working class incomes are lower. Now there's inflation. The trigger could have been anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFg8r_ZOd1Q
https://gript.ie/fascist-ideas-left-turns-on-pat-kenny-over-asylum-facts/
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
Confused with the first line, he's just a lovely fella, I don't need to know his colour at all
Unconfuse yourself then. (that's how the almost 90 year old Irish person described their carer to me, so it's entirely relevant to the discussion at hand and allegations of racism that are being bandied about)
I'm with MR2 on this, his colour is irrelevant or how someone described that person to you.
He's an immigrant who legally entered the county and is entitled to work, and by all means a throughly nice guy.
We do have Irish black people as well you know ;D
Quote from: thebigfella on February 03, 2023, 05:52:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 03, 2023, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
I'm just back from Ireland and an elderly relative has a home health care aid that's a lovely black fella
If he's there and working he's obviously identifiable and vetted.
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
Confused with the first line, he's just a lovely fella, I don't need to know his colour at all
Unconfuse yourself then. (that's how the almost 90 year old Irish person described their carer to me, so it's entirely relevant to the discussion at hand and allegations of racism that are being bandied about)
I'm with MR2 on this, his colour is irrelevant or how someone described that person to you.
He's an immigrant who legally entered the county and is entitled to work, and by all means a throughly nice guy.
We do have Irish black people as well you know ;D
Great-you're entitled to your opinion
Thanks for sharing it
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
That's extremely simplistic.
If I want to convince or win someone to my side, you go after the low hanging fruit, the issues where there are valid concerns, but which are then gradually perpetuated and used to push people towards views which might be characterised as bigoted. There's plenty of examples of this, where a fringe issue where there are things which are tricky and need to be worked out, are exploited to feed into an overarching agenda.
The one that comes to mind is people raising issues about trans women playing women's sport. Obviously there are concerns around different physiques. In the example of rugby, this related to TWO trans women in the whole country. I don't know their physique, but the odds are that there are far more cis women out there that would be a danger to other women or indeed issues with size differences with children especially. Having a set of rules and/or going on a case by case basis was surely very doable.
Similarly, there's plenty of people who have issues with Israel / Palestine. Some of them are islamophobic or anti-semitic. You can be sure every anti-semitic person will focus on raising all the very real issues with Israel. That doesn't mean those points are not valid because they are made by a bigot, not does it mean that person is not a bigot because they make some valid points.
Bigots always try to present themselves as respectable and reasonable 'just asking questions etc.'. Some of this is very transparent. Other times not. Like anything, if people want to convince someone of something they try and find the issues or points which someone might be sympathetic with.
The black people I know are sound but the ones I don't aren't. Rascist Whitey. Do us a favour and stay away wherever you are.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 03, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
That's extremely simplistic.
If I want to convince or win someone to my side, you go after the low hanging fruit, the issues where there are valid concerns, but which are then gradually perpetuated and used to push people towards views which might be characterised as bigoted. There's plenty of examples of this, where a fringe issue where there are things which are tricky and need to be worked out, are exploited to feed into an overarching agenda.
The one that comes to mind is people raising issues about trans women playing women's sport. Obviously there are concerns around different physiques. In the example of rugby, this related to TWO trans women in the whole country. I don't know their physique, but the odds are that there are far more cis women out there that would be a danger to other women or indeed issues with size differences with children especially. Having a set of rules and/or going on a case by case basis was surely very doable.
Similarly, there's plenty of people who have issues with Israel / Palestine. Some of them are islamophobic or anti-semitic. You can be sure every anti-semitic person will focus on raising all the very real issues with Israel. That doesn't mean those points are not valid because they are made by a bigot, not does it mean that person is not a bigot because they make some valid points.
Bigots always try to present themselves as respectable and reasonable 'just asking questions etc.'. Some of this is very transparent. Other times not. Like anything, if people want to convince someone of something they try and find the issues or points which someone might be sympathetic with.
So is every person who is against unvetted and unverified immigration a racist or far right bigot in your view?
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2023, 06:25:06 PM
The black people I know are sound but the ones I don't aren't. Rascist Whitey. Do us a favour and stay away wherever you are.
I never said I knew the guy
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 06:29:57 PM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on February 03, 2023, 06:20:36 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 03, 2023, 02:18:03 PM
Anyone who has a problem with identifiable and vetted migrants is a racist
Anyone who has a problem with unidentifiable and unvetted migrants is not a racist
That's extremely simplistic.
If I want to convince or win someone to my side, you go after the low hanging fruit, the issues where there are valid concerns, but which are then gradually perpetuated and used to push people towards views which might be characterised as bigoted. There's plenty of examples of this, where a fringe issue where there are things which are tricky and need to be worked out, are exploited to feed into an overarching agenda.
The one that comes to mind is people raising issues about trans women playing women's sport. Obviously there are concerns around different physiques. In the example of rugby, this related to TWO trans women in the whole country. I don't know their physique, but the odds are that there are far more cis women out there that would be a danger to other women or indeed issues with size differences with children especially. Having a set of rules and/or going on a case by case basis was surely very doable.
Similarly, there's plenty of people who have issues with Israel / Palestine. Some of them are islamophobic or anti-semitic. You can be sure every anti-semitic person will focus on raising all the very real issues with Israel. That doesn't mean those points are not valid because they are made by a bigot, not does it mean that person is not a bigot because they make some valid points.
Bigots always try to present themselves as respectable and reasonable 'just asking questions etc.'. Some of this is very transparent. Other times not. Like anything, if people want to convince someone of something they try and find the issues or points which someone might be sympathetic with.
So is every person who is against unvetted and unverified immigration a racist or far right bigot in your view?
No. What would make you think that from what I wrote?
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Source?
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2023, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Source?
Graham Carey ::)
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2023, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Source?
"Alternative facts"
Quote from: Itchy on February 03, 2023, 08:42:50 PM
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Source?
The UNHCR
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Why would a refugee return? They have left their home country due to persecution of some kind
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Why would a refugee return? They have left their home country due to persecution of some kind
If the war ended, for example. Or if the regime changed.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Why would a refugee return? They have left their home country due to persecution of some kind
Allegedly
This is a government problem but attacking these people is a lot easier
Looking forward to the anti drug dealer rally in Flinglas, Ballymun etc....oh wait
Germany 1930 sadly being repeated in Ireland
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/spotlight/arid-41063300.html
Quote from: Walter Cronc on February 04, 2023, 10:37:13 AM
Looking forward to the anti drug dealer rally in Flinglas, Ballymun etc....oh wait
And if it was Australians, Swedish etc needing shelter / help from some atrocity what would be happening? Cead mile failte.
It's disgusting beyond belief, Christmas has come early for the right wing in this country. Numbers are swelling, its viewing that won't get any easier
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:13:43 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 07:07:16 AM
Quote from: Gmac on February 03, 2023, 06:40:10 PM
Less than 3% of refugees ever return home so the government should have a plan in place for the present and the future because once they are in the country they are not leaving .
Why would a refugee return? They have left their home country due to persecution of some kind
If the war ended, for example. Or if the regime changed.
A war ending might not change the reason they were persecuted for. Same with regime. Also, by that time they may have been granted unlimited leave to remain. They could be settled in the country. Working. Married etc
Or just getting better benefits, perhaps?
It's amazing the cynicism and contempt some have for refugees and immigrants.
Those want to come to work and build secure and successful lives for their families are "taking our jobs".
The rest are just free loaders after our generous benefits.
They can't win.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 12:58:39 PM
Or just getting better benefits, perhaps?
Again whose fault is that? If I'm living a life in one of those countries I'll try and better it, it's up to the governments of these countries to have things in place to deal with this.
It's easy it seems to attack the migrants but the rule makers are getting off Scott free, go protest outside the rule makers, go beat up on them
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 12:58:39 PM
Or just getting better benefits, perhaps?
They don't get benefits when they've been given refugee status as they now have the right to work. Any refugee that gets benefits will do so under similar circs to nationals of that country
I'm far from an expert on international law, but I thought you claimed asylum/refugee status at the border of the first safe country.
Is that the case?
The 1951 convention doesn't actually state that you have to
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 02:24:18 PM
The 1951 convention doesn't actually state that you have to
It doesn't state" that you have to- what does it "suggest" you do?
Is that the only law that covers this topic?
What about EU law?
EU law states that the asylum seeker can, under certain circs, be returned to the first EU country they passed through
Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 02:50:51 PM
Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so
If someone is already in a "safe" country, does that in turn change the obligation of the next country down the line?
What happens if they claim asylum in a safe country, and then transit on to another country?
Would that nullify their subsequent applications?
Do these rules apply to refugees or asylum seekers or is there a clear distinction between the two?
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 02:50:51 PM
Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so
If someone is already in a "safe" country, does that in turn change the obligation of the next country down the line?
What happens if they claim asylum in a safe country, and then transit on to another country?
Would that nullify their subsequent applications?
Do these rules apply to refugees or asylum seekers or is there a clear distinction between the two?
An asylum seeker is seeing to gain refugee status.
If an asylum seeker passes through a safe country and doesn't claim there it can damage their claim in the country they claim in depending on the reasons. It won't mean a refusal straight off but can add to a refusal, give it more weight if that makes sense.
As far as I remember if a person lands in a country having already been granted asylum elsewhere they will be returned to that country. Unless there is a good reason why they left.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 03:12:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 03:02:07 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 02:50:51 PM
Geneva convention states they should claim asylum int he first safe country they come to. Again, they are under no obligation to do so
If someone is already in a "safe" country, does that in turn change the obligation of the next country down the line?
What happens if they claim asylum in a safe country, and then transit on to another country?
Would that nullify their subsequent applications?
Do these rules apply to refugees or asylum seekers or is there a clear distinction between the two?
An asylum seeker is seeing to gain refugee status.
If an asylum seeker passes through a safe country and doesn't claim there it can damage their claim in the country they claim in depending on the reasons. It won't mean a refusal straight off but can add to a refusal, give it more weight if that makes sense.
As far as I remember if a person lands in a country having already been granted asylum elsewhere they will be returned to that country. Unless there is a good reason why they left.
So if your asylum claim is denied in one country (within the EU) can you jump to the next country and submit a new claim?
If you apply in one country, and the applications is still in process, can you then move to another country and submit a new application?
You can try
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 04:30:05 PM
You can try
Does anyone know what percentage of asylum seekers in Ireland have outstanding applications in other countries or have failed applications in other countries?
The Dublin Regulation was supposed to stop this very thing. But, of course, it's not implemented all that much.
Frances refusal percentage is much higher than the UK
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 06:19:59 PM
The Dublin Regulation was supposed to stop this very thing. But, of course, it's not implemented all that much.
It isn't a catch all. As I said there are circumstances where an asylum seeker can be returned
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 06:19:59 PM
The Dublin Regulation was supposed to stop this very thing. But, of course, it's not implemented all that much.
But attack the immigrants not the government? Hmm interesting tells me that regardless of how Ireland allows this to happen racists will go for the immigrants
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 06:19:59 PM
The Dublin Regulation was supposed to stop this very thing. But, of course, it's not implemented all that much.
But attack the immigrants not the government? Hmm interesting tells me that regardless of how Ireland allows this to happen racists will go for the immigrants
You keep saying that, but who's "going for the immigrants"? Haven't heard any credible stories of immigrants being attacked - have you? Protesters are protesting the government policy of mass immigration, sometimes by blockading traffic junctions and marching in the city centre, and sometimes by picketing proposed asylum centres, and - in a small minority of cases, I'd say - actual asylum centres. So you think the traffic junction blockades are the way to go? Or storm the Dail?! Jaysus, I can imagine the hissy-fit at that!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 06:19:59 PM
The Dublin Regulation was supposed to stop this very thing. But, of course, it's not implemented all that much.
But attack the immigrants not the government? Hmm interesting tells me that regardless of how Ireland allows this to happen racists will go for the immigrants
You keep saying that, but who's "going for the immigrants"? Haven't heard any credible stories of immigrants being attacked - have you? Protesters are protesting the government policy of mass immigration, sometimes by blockading traffic junctions and marching in the city centre, and sometimes by picketing proposed asylum centres, and - in a small minority of cases, I'd say - actual asylum centres. So you think the traffic junction blockades are the way to go? Or storm the Dail?! Jaysus, I can imagine the hissy-fit at that!
Attacks on immigrants ok but attacks on government bad..
So they are protesting at the parliament members? They make the rules, why is anyone annoyed or angry at someone trying to better themselves?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 07:51:51 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 07:20:54 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 07:04:00 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 06:19:59 PM
The Dublin Regulation was supposed to stop this very thing. But, of course, it's not implemented all that much.
But attack the immigrants not the government? Hmm interesting tells me that regardless of how Ireland allows this to happen racists will go for the immigrants
You keep saying that, but who's "going for the immigrants"? Haven't heard any credible stories of immigrants being attacked - have you? Protesters are protesting the government policy of mass immigration, sometimes by blockading traffic junctions and marching in the city centre, and sometimes by picketing proposed asylum centres, and - in a small minority of cases, I'd say - actual asylum centres. So you think the traffic junction blockades are the way to go? Or storm the Dail?! Jaysus, I can imagine the hissy-fit at that!
Attacks on immigrants ok but attacks on government bad..
So they are protesting at the parliament members? They make the rules, why is anyone annoyed or angry at someone trying to better themselves?
Seeing as Ireland is following International law in accepting these refugees/asylum seekers, is their upkeep paid for by the international community, or is it paid for by an already heavily taxed Irish Taxpayer?
I don't think any reasonable person would be against someone trying to "better themselves", but why should an Irish taxpayer have a financial obligation to facilitate this when they're already to the pin of their collar financially ?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40942808.html
https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-has-one-of-the-highest-per-capita-debt-burdens-in-the-world-5986591-Feb2023/
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 04:30:05 PM
You can try
Does anyone know what percentage of asylum seekers in Ireland have outstanding applications in other countries or have failed applications in other countries?
No but do like your comrades in the far right and make up the statistic you want.
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
It's the politicians at fault 100%. They've treated the working class with contempt with no consultation whatsoever.
So direct your anger at them and do it at the polls..
Just the working class? The benefit class seem to be the ones complaining the most?
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:20:07 PM
https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1621826011032592385
Wouldn't this suggest that the place is kind of full?
Also seen that Pat Kenny of all people has been labelled a far right racist over the last couple of days lol.
The game's gone.
You think Pat is a man of the people? He's exactly the type of guy that would jump on any bandwagon (far right or other) to keep the value of his house high or whatever other game he's playing.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
People ARE blaming the politicians. How did you miss that?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
People ARE blaming the politicians. How did you miss that?
Blaming them but attacking immigrants
This 'working class' thing is only stirring trouble. They have a shed load of people to be accommodated and they are concentrating on doing rather than talking. This it s not a good thing, to be sure, but it has nothing to do with the working class.
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 08:33:24 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 05:01:59 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 04, 2023, 04:30:05 PM
You can try
Does anyone know what percentage of asylum seekers in Ireland have outstanding applications in other countries or have failed applications in other countries?
No but do like your comrades in the far right and make up the statistic you want.
So now I'm a "comrade of the far right" for asking a legitimate question
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
So return the illegal immigrants and process the rest.. put the right process in place and follow it through.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
People ARE blaming the politicians. How did you miss that?
Blaming them but attacking immigrants
As I asked already - where are all these attacks?
Quote from: armaghniac on February 04, 2023, 08:39:56 PM
This 'working class' thing is only stirring trouble. They have a shed load of people to be accommodated and they are concentrating on doing rather than talking. This it s not a good thing, to be sure, but it has nothing to do with the working class.
It's amazing that none of these centers have been placed in affluent areas
I'm sure one (or more) of the prestigious fee paying schools in South Dublin would have a spare gym or assembly hall they could repurpose to house migrants
https://www.blackrockcollege.com/development/new-facilities/
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:35:06 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
It's the politicians at fault 100%. They've treated the working class with contempt with no consultation whatsoever.
So direct your anger at them and do it at the polls..
Just the working class? The benefit class seem to be the ones complaining the most?
Someone else said here that all the main political parties in the south are all singing of the same hymn sheet so there is nobody else to vote for. The next election there won't bring any change no matter who is voted in.
2020 there was over 700 racist attacks in Ireland..
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
People ARE blaming the politicians. How did you miss that?
Blaming them but attacking immigrants
As I asked already - where are all these attacks?
There's a video of the guy who went into the hospital saying he wanted to rape children getting a few clatters
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 08:47:58 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:35:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:24:28 PM
Is it international law or European law?
Either way that's the law, so if you ain't happy with it then ask for changes in policy or implementation needs to be better.
Blame your politicians not those coming in
People ARE blaming the politicians. How did you miss that?
Blaming them but attacking immigrants
As I asked already - where are all these attacks?
There's a video of the guy who went into the hospital saying he wanted to rape children getting a few clatters
Link to video of this mentally deranged person doing this? You were pulled on this earlier
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:46:01 PM
2020 there was over 700 racist attacks in Ireland..
Now, now. There are, as you know "lies, damned lies, and statistics". 700 according to who? INAR? Let's see, a government-funded "N.G.O." whose funding depends on inflating the 'problem'? Anyway, how many of these were actually proved? And just so as people aren't misled by the word "attacks", only 50 of these were physical 'incidents'.
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
So return the illegal immigrants and process the rest.. put the right process in place and follow it
The extremists on the left would have you labelled Far Right if you said that on Twitter but any reasonable person would say that is what should be done.
It's the rules, why would anyone ( and I haven't seen it) be concerned with sending back illegal immigrants
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
Is Romania not in the EU? Them and thr Bulgarians as bad as any!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:46:01 PM
2020 there was over 700 racist attacks in Ireland..
Now, now. There are, as you know "lies, damned lies, and statistics". 700 according to who? INAR? Let's see, a government-funded "N.G.O." whose funding depends on inflating the 'problem'? Anyway, how many of these were actually proved? And just so as people aren't misled by the word "attacks", only 50 of these were physical 'incidents'.
You asked and I gave you a simple figure of 700 that's 2 a day but sure you look for what ya what
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:53:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
So return the illegal immigrants and process the rest.. put the right process in place and follow it
The extremists on the left would have you labelled Far Right if you said that on Twitter but any reasonable person would say that is what should be done.
It's the rules, why would anyone ( and I haven't seen it) be concerned with sending back illegal immigrants
Was it not brought up on this thread - or one similar - about SJW-types preventing planes with deportees on them taking off? Actually, I think it was the "Varadkar Is A Racist" thread...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:56:48 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:52:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:46:01 PM
2020 there was over 700 racist attacks in Ireland..
Now, now. There are, as you know "lies, damned lies, and statistics". 700 according to who? INAR? Let's see, a government-funded "N.G.O." whose funding depends on inflating the 'problem'? Anyway, how many of these were actually proved? And just so as people aren't misled by the word "attacks", only 50 of these were physical 'incidents'.
You asked and I gave you a simple figure of 700 that's 2 a day but sure you look for what ya what
Anyway, I thought we were talking about the current protests and the climate around them, not 2020.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:53:23 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
So return the illegal immigrants and process the rest.. put the right process in place and follow it
The extremists on the left would have you labelled Far Right if you said that on Twitter but any reasonable person would say that is what should be done.
It's the rules, why would anyone ( and I haven't seen it) be concerned with sending back illegal immigrants
Was it not brought up on this thread - or one similar - about SJW-types preventing planes with deportees on them taking off? Actually, I think it was the "Varadkar Is A Racist" thread...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6273199/amp/Somali-man-deportation-stopped-good-plane-passengers-revealed-gang-rapist.html
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 09:01:46 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6273199/amp/Somali-man-deportation-stopped-good-plane-passengers-revealed-gang-rapist.html
The very one, Whitey! And it's not the only time something like this has happened, either.
Good to know then nothing has happened since 2020
Quote from: clarshack on February 04, 2023, 08:49:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 08:43:32 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on February 04, 2023, 08:40:48 PM
I think there a big difference to immigrants fleeing war in the middle east, and Ukraine, famine areas in Africa, and alot of Romanians/ Albanians trying to illegally enter the country.
So return the illegal immigrants and process the rest.. put the right process in place and follow it
The extremists on the left would have you labelled Far Right if you said that on Twitter but any reasonable person would say that is what should be done.
Why? An illegal immigrant is someone who has entered the country illegally, that could a be child fleeing war with their family who simply don't have documents. Of course you'd be far right to suggest every single one of these people should be sent packing.
Quoting from the UK Daily Mail. Like good little "Britain First" boys.
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
Quoting from the UK Daily Mail. Like good little "Britain First" boys.
It's like hitler youth on this thread
Any Irish person quoting the fkn daily mail should be stripped of his/her/their citizenship !
I'm sure Whitey will be demanding these illegal immigrants are sent packing, all 50k of them...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:28:17 PM
I'm sure Whitey will be demanding these illegal immigrants are sent packing, all 50k of them...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
They are most likely working
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
Quoting from the UK Daily Mail. Like good little "Britain First" boys.
Put up a link to where one of the other "respectable" newspapers reported on this and I'll edit my post
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:28:17 PM
I'm sure Whitey will be demanding these illegal immigrants are sent packing, all 50k of them...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
If they were involved in a gang rape like the Somalian was, yes, I sure as heck would be calling for them to be deported
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 04, 2023, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:28:17 PM
I'm sure Whitey will be demanding these illegal immigrants are sent packing, all 50k of them...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
They are most likely working
Are they f**king illegal or not buddy. And who isnt working in the usa because our illegal immigrants have their jobs? I mean how thick do you have to be to have an attitude like whitey, you and the other Rascists on here.
They quote daily mail as that anti Irish rag is the closest thing they can find to their own disgusting prejudices.
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:28:17 PM
I'm sure Whitey will be demanding these illegal immigrants are sent packing, all 50k of them...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
If they were involved in a gang rape like the Somalian was, yes, I sure as heck would be calling for them to be deported
You are beyond doubt the most stupid poster on here. So if I produced an article showing an illegal Irish immigrants commiting a serious crime in the usa you would call for them all to be deported. But if illegals have no one within their ranks committing a serious crime they are ok to stay. Is that the crux of your moronic argument. You are in USA too long buddy, you're now as thick as them.
Quote from: whitey on February 04, 2023, 10:19:35 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:26:05 PM
Quoting from the UK Daily Mail. Like good little "Britain First" boys.
Put up a link to where one of the other "respectable" newspapers reported on this and I'll edit my post
Oh no - if any paper reports on this, the drooling leftists will immediately deem it "not respectable", and a modern-day equivalent of Der Stürmer, or some such childish drivel. "Respectable" papers would do nothing to tarnish the gleaming veneer of multi-culturalism - such as reporting the truth!!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rape-victim-blasts-plane-mutiny-14248243.amp
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 04, 2023, 10:32:37 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rape-victim-blasts-plane-mutiny-14248243.amp
They should find one of the cvnts who prevented the flight from taking off, and make them house this tr**p
This link has been up a few times, has something changed since last time it was up?
Well, it was you who wondered why anyone would be worried about illegals being deported, and it sort of illustrated that some loopers ARE worried about that.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 04, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
Well, it was you who wondered why anyone would be worried about illegals being deported, and it sort of illustrated that some loopers ARE worried about that.
You've got it wrong and continue to get it wrong. First of, this was in the UK not Ireland. The government did the right thing but clampits on the plane allowed this to happen. The policies are in place they ain't being implemented.
This was 2019 so when I brought up a post that there was 2 racist attacks a day in 2020 in Ireland you dismissed it. But this earlier date is ok? Weird
whats the dissidents doing ohhhh probably nothing
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
This link has been up a few times, has something changed since last time it was up?
It's gives the moronic Rascists more "foam at the mouth" power when they read big headlines about criminals who happen to be black or foreign. When they are running low, they need a top up.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 04, 2023, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 04, 2023, 09:28:17 PM
I'm sure Whitey will be demanding these illegal immigrants are sent packing, all 50k of them...
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/us/white-irish-undocumented-trnd/index.html
They are most likely working
Your point?
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2023, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
This link has been up a few times, has something changed since last time it was up?
It's gives the moronic Rascists more "foam at the mouth" power when they read big headlines about criminals who happen to be black or foreign. When they are running low, they need a top up.
Admit that yourself and most of the other loser SJWs on here just want open borders, and if you all had your way not one single person (including rapists) would be deported.
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2023, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
This link has been up a few times, has something changed since last time it was up?
It's gives the moronic Rascists more "foam at the mouth" power when they read big headlines about criminals who happen to be black or foreign. When they are running low, they need a top up.
Admit that yourself and most of the other loser SJWs on here just want open borders, and if you all had your way not one single person (including rapists) would be deported.
Well that's just a lie isn't it. Of course people should be deported. And are. However we shouldn't label all people of one country or race or whatever as criminals/rapists etc
"Whitey" showing his true colours, spouting classic neo nazi nasty generalisations.
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2023, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
This link has been up a few times, has something changed since last time it was up?
It's gives the moronic Rascists more "foam at the mouth" power when they read big headlines about criminals who happen to be black or foreign. When they are running low, they need a top up.
Admit that yourself and most of the other loser SJWs on here just want open borders, and if you all had your way not one single person (including rapists) would be deported.
There was never a debate about open borders. And there should have been.
Open borders are a feature of neoliberalism because they create demand for houses and don't cost governments anything that might hurt the value of debt. But beyond a certain point it doesn't make sense. Especially when houses are so expensive and social housing is not allowed according to the rules of neoliberalism.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 05, 2023, 12:16:59 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 05, 2023, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 05, 2023, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 04, 2023, 10:37:40 PM
This link has been up a few times, has something changed since last time it was up?
It's gives the moronic Rascists more "foam at the mouth" power when they read big headlines about criminals who happen to be black or foreign. When they are running low, they need a top up.
Admit that yourself and most of the other loser SJWs on here just want open borders, and if you all had your way not one single person (including rapists) would be deported.
Well that's just a lie isn't it. Of course people should be deported. And are. However we shouldn't label all people of one country or race or whatever as criminals/rapists etc
Ahh here, I heard it all now
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-02-08/563/
Directly from the beak of the Minister for Justice
"When issued with a deportation order, the person is required to remove themselves from the State. Many people comply with this and leave the country, without notifying the immigration authorities that they have done so. Therefore, it is not always possible for my Department or the Garda National Immigration Bureau (GNIB) to ascertain whether or not a deportation order has been complied with"
My goodness, they're not going to achieve the planned additional million people by 2040 by deporting people, now - are they?!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
My goodness, they're not going to achieve the planned additional million people by 2040 by deporting people, now - are they?!
If we get the pitchforks out and get the KKK back on the streets we'll struggle to reach those targets
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
My goodness, they're not going to achieve the planned additional million people by 2040 by deporting people, now - are they?!
If we get the pitchforks out and get the KKK back on the streets we'll struggle to reach those targets
Why do we even want to?
hypothetically could the brits send refugee boats across the irish sea or put them onto planes fly them to northern ireland then put them on buses drop them off at the border then say here you go lads and then if sinn fein or anyway moans about it call them racists.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2023, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
My goodness, they're not going to achieve the planned additional million people by 2040 by deporting people, now - are they?!
If we get the pitchforks out and get the KKK back on the streets we'll struggle to reach those targets
Why do we even want to?
Bigger population will generate jobs more money/revenue diversity...
I've yet to hear anyone on here mentioning opening up the borders, if you have, put up the posts. It's got to be regulated and processed properly. Again that's a government thing, it's up to them to do it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 01:53:54 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2023, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2023, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 05, 2023, 12:59:31 PM
My goodness, they're not going to achieve the planned additional million people by 2040 by deporting people, now - are they?!
If we get the pitchforks out and get the KKK back on the streets we'll struggle to reach those targets
Why do we even want to?
Bigger population will generate jobs more money/revenue diversity...
I've yet to hear anyone on here mentioning opening up the borders, if you have, put up the posts. It's got to be regulated and processed properly. Again that's a government thing, it's up to them to do it.
The borders are de facto 'opened up'.
Yes, a growing economy needs a growing population. However, it's a never-ending cycle. Growth demands further growth. It's like growing a tree in a flower-pot. The current capitalist system can't grow forever. It will collapse. Could be that it's close to it. I don't know. But if we were really serious about the environment (which we're not), we wouldn't be trying to grow the population (immigrants to the west will have a bigger carbon footprint than they did in their own countries). I know it's a different topic, but it is worth considering. Even the 'Extinction Rebellion' people came out against mass immigration.
Anyway, we're probably two and a half years from an election here. You suggest people just sit around and wait till then? I think they're dead right to protest now. How else do you influence government policy in the meantime?
But protest to your political parties, leave the immigrants alone and you'll not look like someone from The KKK
From what I can see, most protests are not outside occupied Direct Provision centres. Most are at traffic junctions (a bad idea, I think), city/ town centres, and proposed DP centres, no? And, again, from what I see, there are PLENTY of signs protesting SF/ McDonald and FG/ Varadkar.
Protest outside the Dail or other government buildings this is a legislation implementation problem.
what about marching into tds neigbourhoods
Quote from: Eire90 on February 05, 2023, 03:21:26 PM
what about marching into tds neigbourhoods
What about the fkrs march off the Cliffs of Moher
Quote from: Rossfan on February 06, 2023, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 05, 2023, 03:21:26 PM
what about marching into tds neigbourhoods
What about the fkrs march off the Cliffs of Moher
Take the TD's with them!
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-accused-of-sexual-assault-injured-by-vigilantes-court-told-1428993.html
Has only been here since September.
Quote from: clarshack on February 06, 2023, 06:45:41 PM
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-accused-of-sexual-assault-injured-by-vigilantes-court-told-1428993.html
Has only been here since September.
Need to get the mob beating up the ones letting them in, they might think twice.
Surprised he actually got a job in that small period of time, there's ones on the dole decades acting as vigilantes, they should have a job available now for them!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2023, 07:11:48 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 06, 2023, 06:45:41 PM
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-accused-of-sexual-assault-injured-by-vigilantes-court-told-1428993.html
Has only been here since September.
Need to get the mob beating up the ones letting them in, they might think twice.
Surprised he actually got a job in that small period of time, there's ones on the dole decades acting as vigilantes, they should have a job available now for them!
The poor crathur and him only looking to flee the war in Moldova
No blacks
No dogs
No Moldovans
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2023, 07:33:25 PM
No blacks
No dogs
No Moldovans
What about Moldovan rapists with Romania passports ?
We need to be inclusive
Quote from: whitey on February 06, 2023, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2023, 07:33:25 PM
No blacks
No dogs
No Moldovans
What about Moldovan rapists with Romania passports ?
We need to be inclusive
No Romanians. Anyone else you want to include?
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2023, 07:42:17 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 06, 2023, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 06, 2023, 07:33:25 PM
No blacks
No dogs
No Moldovans
What about Moldovan rapists with Romania passports ?
We need to be inclusive
No Romanians. Anyone else you want to include?
It depends
Are they real Romanians or people just pretending to be Romanian?
Hopefully we won't be taking the homeless from Syria and Turkey after that disaster
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2023, 08:03:24 PM
Hopefully we won't be taking the homeless from Syria and Turkey after that disaster
If they are legitimate, identifiable and vetted I'd be all for taking them
Quote from: whitey on February 06, 2023, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2023, 08:03:24 PM
Hopefully we won't be taking the homeless from Syria and Turkey after that disaster
If they are legitimate, identifiable and vetted I'd be all for taking them
Aren't you in America?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 06, 2023, 08:15:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 06, 2023, 08:05:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 06, 2023, 08:03:24 PM
Hopefully we won't be taking the homeless from Syria and Turkey after that disaster
If they are legitimate, identifiable and vetted I'd be all for taking them
Aren't you in America?
Dual citizen (with every intention of semi retiring in Ireland)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/02/08/michael-mcdowell-no-time-for-consultation-in-the-middle-of-a-perfect-storm/
Some 40 per cent of asylum seekers from places such as Georgia and Albania arriving undocumented demonstrates that the system is broken and is being abused. Georgians have visa-free access to EU states. Georgia and Albania are "safe countries".
I see the far-right fascists have resorted to targeting children in their latest misinformation broadcast. Yes that's right, a convoy of coaches containing "single male migrants" was in fact 5 coach-loads of kids off to a sports event...
https://twitter.com/theliberal_ie/status/1623727815681081351?s=46&t=nX_Gj01jQzsqVTqgSfHxwQ
These scum really need to be put down
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-41067713.html
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41068157.html
Rossfan, you're an irrelevance, and a misfit. All you do is call people you don't agree with names - you never have any cogent points of your own to make. So you have to resort to linking articles. Who the hell is going to read something behind a paywall, anyway! Except the people who have already signed up to the Examiner's narrative?! Clever chap!
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2023, 11:01:22 AM
I see the far-right fascists have resorted to targeting children in their latest misinformation broadcast. Yes that's right, a convoy of coaches containing "single male migrants" was in fact 5 coach-loads of kids off to a sports event...
https://twitter.com/theliberal_ie/status/1623727815681081351?s=46&t=nX_Gj01jQzsqVTqgSfHxwQ
Beyond shameless. The level of hatred and vitriol will only increase, dangerous times ahead for alot of people residing in this country... Your modern Irish Cead Mile Failte
Quote from: burdizzo on February 10, 2023, 11:38:25 AM
Rossfan, you're an irrelevance, and a misfit. All you do is call people you don't like names - you never have any cogent points of your own to make. So you have to resort to linking articles. Who the hell is going to be able to read something behind a paywall, anyway! Except the people who have already signed up to the Examiner's narrative?! Clever chap!
Hatred isn't a great hobby. You'd needy look up the definition of misfit Angelo
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/02/10/taoiseach-calls-for-deportation-of-failed-asylum-seekers-as-eu-toughens-migration-stance/
Taoiseach Leo Varadkar called for the need to secure the borders of the European Union to prevent human trafficking and for rejected asylum seekers to be deported in a hardening of rhetoric as EU leaders met for an extraordinary summit on migration.
The 27 national leaders called the summit after several member states recorded a large increase in irregular crossings of EU borders and appealed for joint action to address the issue, though it was somewhat overshadowed on Thursday by the surprise visit of Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy.
"Refugees are welcome in Ireland. People who need our protection should get it. We also need to be firm with people who come to Ireland with a false story or false pretences," Mr Varadkar told journalists, saying a key topic for leaders was "how we can better secure our external borders around Europe".
"We should decide who enters our country, not criminal gangs," the Taoiseach said. "Lots of people coming into Europe gain refugee status or the right to remain, but others don't, and they should be returned."
some of these so called protestors are qanon types seen then accusing Ukraine government of having tunnels to harvest children's organs people neeed to to understand the facebook pandemic is big time in ireland
Quote from: burdizzo on February 10, 2023, 11:38:25 AM
Rossfan, you're an irrelevance, and a misfit. All you do is call people you don't agree with names - you never have any cogent points of your own to make. So you have to resort to linking articles. Who the hell is going to read something behind a paywall, anyway! Except the people who have already signed up to the Examiner's narrative?! Clever chap!
I disagree with Rossfan quite a lot but he's a decent Irishman at the back of it all. You on the other hand are brainless, small, sad little rascist p***k.
Couldn't have put it better myself Itchy.
Those scum need to be put down by the 98% decent people in this Country.
Right, lads. Cut from the same cloth. As I say, you haven't a decent argument between ye. Only good for calling names. Bizarrely, ye're the ones "inciting hatred" w/ y'r "put them down" tripe. Haha! The 98%? What the hell are you on about?! Delusional! Haha!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 10, 2023, 06:35:15 PM
Right, lads. Cut from the same cloth. As I say, you haven't a decent argument between ye. Only good for calling names. Bizarrely, ye're the ones "inciting hatred" w/ y'r "put them down" tripe. Haha! The 98%? What the hell are you on about?! Delusional! Haha!
Yep, we are cut from the same cloth. A different cloth than you and a minority of far right dirtbags that should be bet of the streets any time the raise their heads.
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Oh, he'd like to beat them, too! Especially the women with buggies! Brave woke warrior that he is!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Stand on the street with the Far Right then you are the far right. No excuses.
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Take it up with the politicians...
I wonder who votes them in?
It's legislation that needs to be either implemented or changed but until then let's just abuse hunt out the ones here, they are used to it so be no probs to them
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Stand on the street with the Far Right then you are the far right. No excuses.
No wonder the far right is onthe rise with attitudes like that ffs!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Stand on the street with the Far Right then you are the far right. No excuses.
No wonder the far right is onthe rise with attitudes like that ffs!
Sorry, no tolerance for these fucks and no one should have
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Stand on the street with the Far Right then you are the far right. No excuses.
No wonder the far right is onthe rise with attitudes like that ffs!
Sorry, no tolerance for these fucks and no one should have
That's it Itchy, show your true colours. Get them women and children, too. Beat 'em off the streets, eh?
I see they are protesting in Liverpool tonight about housing of illegal refugees
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Just admit you have far right tendencies.
The number of immigrants shouldn't concern any working class person (Turkey for example, a country currently devastated by a natural disaster, takes more refugees than anyone else)
Ireland has a housing crisis not a refugee problem.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 09:21:50 PM
I see they are protesting in Liverpool tonight about housing of illegal refugees
Refugees by definition are not illegall
Quote from: burdizzo on February 10, 2023, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 07:55:03 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Stand on the street with the Far Right then you are the far right. No excuses.
No wonder the far right is onthe rise with attitudes like that ffs!
Sorry, no tolerance for these fucks and no one should have
That's it Itchy, show your true colours. Get them women and children, too. Beat 'em off the streets, eh?
Stop hiding behind women and children coward.
Apparently a Migrant tried to seduce a 15 year old thats why its kicking off.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
Apparently a Migrant tried to seduce a 15 year old thats why its kicking off.
Was it on Facebook?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:15:03 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
Apparently a Migrant tried to seduce a 15 year old thats why its kicking off.
Was it on Facebook?
Yeh Mary on Facebook saw the whole thing and it's a disgrace. He was unvetted too. And I'm not a rascist but...
no it was some video do rounds on twitter.
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Oh my god!! I'm on the boat now
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
who you calling a facists i hate the far right i am just reporting the news i think you have made a mistake
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Oh my god!! I'm on the boat now
there is actually an alledge picture of the alleged person
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMessageEire/status/1624163339352825865
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Oh my god!! I'm on the boat now
there is actually an alledge picture of the alleged person
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMessageEire/status/1624163339352825865
Is there a photo of the girl?
Bit strange all the camera phones about and ready?
true it does seem sort of set up but who knows
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
true it does seem sort of set up but who knows
The mob knows and that's all that matters...
Any issues phone the police straight away don't be uploading to twitter ffs!!
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
true it does seem sort of set up but who knows
The police want to speak to him but probably all a setup
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
true it does seem sort of set up but who knows
The police want to speak to him but probably all a setup
Link?
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolgirl-approached-suspicious-man-police-26184281
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 10:57:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:54:14 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 10:49:51 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:44:15 PM
true it does seem sort of set up but who knows
The police want to speak to him but probably all a setup
Link?
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/schoolgirl-approached-suspicious-man-police-26184281
Cops looking to find the girl also? Bit odd? Surely that be the first thing anyone being 'approached' would do?
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:35:49 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
who you calling a facists i hate the far right i am just reporting the news i think you have made a mistake
I wasn't talking about you, the other gobshite earlier whatever he's called
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Oh my god!! I'm on the boat now
there is actually an alledge picture of the alleged person
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMessageEire/status/1624163339352825865
The fella in the audio said he was 50, the fella in photo isn't even out of his 20s. Like I said fascists mobs are so stupid they'll believe anything
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Oh my god!! I'm on the boat now
there is actually an alledge picture of the alleged person
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMessageEire/status/1624163339352825865
The fella in the audio said he was 50, the fella in photo isn't even out of his 20s. Like I said fascists mobs are so stupid they'll believe anything
Oh Jesus, Itchy, please stop before you make a complete eejit out of yourself. The lad in the audio actually said he was 25. And, yeah, there is a good reason the phone is pointed at his feet, I'd say - so he won't know it's being recorded! And you had the temerity to call Whitey "stupid" a while ago?! Good one, good one.
I have no idea of this video is a set-up or not, but I don't hear you open-borders loons questioning the Ashtown set-up? Even dodgier, and even less evidence!! You know, it's true, we all believe what we want to believe, but ye republican socialist stooges have been completely had by global liberal capitalism. Sorry, chump, but the joke's on you!
Lol. Close this thread.
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Just admit you have far right tendencies.
The number of immigrants shouldn't concern any working class person (Turkey for example, a country currently devastated by a natural disaster, takes more refugees than anyone else)
Ireland has a housing crisis not a refugee problem.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 09:21:50 PM
I see they are protesting in Liverpool tonight about housing of illegal refugees
Refugees by definition are not illegall
Maybe I do then by your definition. I'd far rather be right wing than open borders though!
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 11, 2023, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Just admit you have far right tendencies.
The number of immigrants shouldn't concern any working class person (Turkey for example, a country currently devastated by a natural disaster, takes more refugees than anyone else)
Ireland has a housing crisis not a refugee problem.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 09:21:50 PM
I see they are protesting in Liverpool tonight about housing of illegal refugees
Refugees by definition are not illegall
Maybe I do then by your definition. I'd far rather be right wing than open borders though!
Didn't have you down as a Tory
So who on here believes in open borders?
(I would define "open borders" as a belief that international boundaries are an artificial construct of the elite and that there should be very few restrictions on people traversing these imaginary lines.)
On another note-I have seen people carrying Antifa (type) flags at the counter protests. Should the media not be reporting that these people are far left
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
On another note-I have seen people carrying Antifa (type) flags at the counter protests. Should the media not be reporting that these people are far left
Mind your own business yank
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2023, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
On another note-I have seen people carrying Antifa (type) flags at the counter protests. Should the media not be reporting that these people are far left
Mind your own business yank
Irony of you calling board members stupid & racist. ;D
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 11, 2023, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Just admit you have far right tendencies.
The number of immigrants shouldn't concern any working class person (Turkey for example, a country currently devastated by a natural disaster, takes more refugees than anyone else)
Ireland has a housing crisis not a refugee problem.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 09:21:50 PM
I see they are protesting in Liverpool tonight about housing of illegal refugees
Refugees by definition are not illegall
Maybe I do then by your definition. I'd far rather be right wing than open borders though!
Right, you gonna man the post on concession rd?
Quote from: general_lee on February 11, 2023, 01:23:16 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 11, 2023, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: general_lee on February 10, 2023, 09:36:40 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 10, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
What about the sizeable portion of people who aren't actually far right racists but are genuinely and rightly concerned about the number of immigrants/refugee's we are getting?
Just admit you have far right tendencies.
The number of immigrants shouldn't concern any working class person (Turkey for example, a country currently devastated by a natural disaster, takes more refugees than anyone else)
Ireland has a housing crisis not a refugee problem.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 10, 2023, 09:21:50 PM
I see they are protesting in Liverpool tonight about housing of illegal refugees
Refugees by definition are not illegall
Maybe I do then by your definition. I'd far rather be right wing than open borders though!
Right, you gonna man the post on concession rd?
Yeah thats exactly what I meant. Really good argument, well done.
You obviously have no idea of International Law
Quote from: burdizzo on February 11, 2023, 12:22:27 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 11:06:10 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 10, 2023, 10:31:32 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 10, 2023, 10:28:09 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 10, 2023, 10:23:25 PM
This the video they are using
https://mobile.twitter.com/BennnyH/status/1624163587773063181
Seems legit, I mean there's a good reason video points at this terrible "migrants" feet rather than his face.
Like I said fascists are thick like yer man above. They don't even have to try to come up with a believable lie.
Oh my god!! I'm on the boat now
there is actually an alledge picture of the alleged person
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMessageEire/status/1624163339352825865
The fella in the audio said he was 50, the fella in photo isn't even out of his 20s. Like I said fascists mobs are so stupid they'll believe anything
Oh Jesus, Itchy, please stop before you make a complete eejit out of yourself. The lad in the audio actually said he was 25. And, yeah, there is a good reason the phone is pointed at his feet, I'd say - so he won't know it's being recorded! And you had the temerity to call Whitey "stupid" a while ago?! Good one, good one.
I have no idea of this video is a set-up or not, but I don't hear you open-borders loons questioning the Ashtown set-up? Even dodgier, and even less evidence!! You know, it's true, we all believe what we want to believe, but ye republican socialist stooges have been completely had by global liberal capitalism. Sorry, chump, but the joke's on you!
The breakdown eventually happened
Quote from: Rossfan on February 11, 2023, 02:51:08 PM
You obviously have no idea of International Law
Not too many on here do
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2023, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
On another note-I have seen people carrying Antifa (type) flags at the counter protests. Should the media not be reporting that these people are far left
Mind your own business yank
Is that not racist?
when did American become a race?
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 03:56:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 11, 2023, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 11, 2023, 11:39:36 AM
On another note-I have seen people carrying Antifa (type) flags at the counter protests. Should the media not be reporting that these people are far left
Mind your own business yank
Is that not racist?
No it's not. Neither is calling him a stupid Rascist Yank. I was going to explain Irony to the other lad too but I think it would be over his head.
He never said Yanki or Yankee
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
So we should just bring in more and more Pakistanis, yeah?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 11, 2023, 10:08:39 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
So we should just bring in more and more Pakistanis, yeah?
If we could bring in the hard working ones and dump the wasters I'd sign up for that one
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
I'd believe that.
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
I'd believe that.
We have an Indian family living next door. Absolutely lovely people, the parents English isn't great but they're very friendly and the kids get on great with all the other kids.
They're an addition to the community without a doubt.
Having said that, there's a limit to how much inward migration a country should take.
You look to the likes of Leeds and Bradford in the UK to see how over concentration to lead to problems.
So it has to be carefully controlled imo.
Quote from: Tubberman on February 11, 2023, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
I'd believe that.
We have an Indian family living next door. Absolutely lovely people, the parents English isn't great but they're very friendly and the kids get on great with all the other kids.
They're an addition to the community without a doubt.
Having said that, there's a limit to how much inward migration a country should take.
You look to the likes of Leeds and Bradford in the UK to see how over concentration to lead to problems.
So it has to be carefully controlled imo.
My point is simple, I'd rather have hard working people than dole merchants, regardless of where they are from.
Stop giving people money for nothing
Quote from: Tubberman on February 11, 2023, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: clarshack on February 11, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 11, 2023, 09:04:42 PM
He never said Yanki or Yankee
I guess so.
I've a family next door to me, they are the most hard working family that I know, they also happen to be from Pakistan, if half the country worked as hard we'd be in a better place!
I'd believe that.
We have an Indian family living next door. Absolutely lovely people, the parents English isn't great but they're very friendly and the kids get on great with all the other kids.
They're an addition to the community without a doubt.
Having said that, there's a limit to how much inward migration a country should take.
You look to the likes of Leeds and Bradford in the UK to see how over concentration to lead to problems.
So it has to be carefully controlled imo.
Well put
I do have some nordie friends. Some of them nordies are decent hard working and family orientated folk. Perhaps not lovely but those I do know are tolerable but I do wish their diction was up to standard .
I do feel sorry for the various Refugees, Asylum seekers, Emigrants and so on who are coming into this country and are put in large numbers in ghetto like conditions. Most of them are young males and this is not a safe place for them to be. Such an environment encourages gangs to form to feel safe and to survive.
There was protests outside rte yesteday they also plan to counter protests the st patricks day parade.Also seems to be cooperation between irish and british groups. a counter protester was nearly attacked in eastwall and chants about joe duffy outside rte.
Here we go.
My sons best friend is Polish.
My daughters boyfriend is Lituanian.
My Next door neighbour is Latvian.
I have very good mates who are married to Argentinian and Singaporean women.
I encounter multiple nationalities in my job with no issues (or no more issues than the average Irish born person).
The thing is all the people above mentioned came in with a plan, with a way of getting accommodation, or getting a job and with proper papers.
There is a steam train of problems coming with this open door policy. We are making up the ways to deal with this situation as we go along and the Government don't know what to do. Being afraid of some of those consequences in not racist, it being concerned. Concern is a good emotion to have. This concern is as much for the people coming here (where there is no plan for them) as it is for the people who already live here.
We are letting in people who have different ways, different cultures and a different way of looking at things. You have to be aware of this and letting large amounts without a plan spells huge danger.
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2023, 08:28:05 PM
Here we go.
My sons best friend is Polish.
My daughters boyfriend is Lituanian.
My Next door neighbour is Latvian.
I have very good mates who are married to Argentinian and Singaporean women.
I encounter multiple nationalities in my job with no issues (or no more issues than the average Irish born person).
The thing is all the people above mentioned came in with a plan, with a way of getting accommodation, or getting a job and with proper papers.
There is a steam train of problems coming with this open door policy. We are making up the ways to deal with this situation as we go along and the Government don't know what to do. Being afraid of some of those consequences in not racist, it being concerned. Concern is a good emotion to have. This concern is as much for the people coming here (where there is no plan for them) as it is for the people who already live here.
We are letting in people who have different ways, different cultures and a different way of looking at things. You have to be aware of this and letting large amounts without a plan spells huge danger.
Those issues take them up with your local politician, people will respect you more..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2023, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2023, 08:28:05 PM
Here we go.
My sons best friend is Polish.
My daughters boyfriend is Lituanian.
My Next door neighbour is Latvian.
I have very good mates who are married to Argentinian and Singaporean women.
I encounter multiple nationalities in my job with no issues (or no more issues than the average Irish born person).
The thing is all the people above mentioned came in with a plan, with a way of getting accommodation, or getting a job and with proper papers.
There is a steam train of problems coming with this open door policy. We are making up the ways to deal with this situation as we go along and the Government don't know what to do. Being afraid of some of those consequences in not racist, it being concerned. Concern is a good emotion to have. This concern is as much for the people coming here (where there is no plan for them) as it is for the people who already live here.
We are letting in people who have different ways, different cultures and a different way of looking at things. You have to be aware of this and letting large amounts without a plan spells huge danger.
Those issues take them up with your local politician, people will respect you more..
What happens if you take up these issues and you a shot down as being a racist? What do you do then?
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2023, 08:56:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2023, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2023, 08:28:05 PM
Here we go.
My sons best friend is Polish.
My daughters boyfriend is Lituanian.
My Next door neighbour is Latvian.
I have very good mates who are married to Argentinian and Singaporean women.
I encounter multiple nationalities in my job with no issues (or no more issues than the average Irish born person).
The thing is all the people above mentioned came in with a plan, with a way of getting accommodation, or getting a job and with proper papers.
There is a steam train of problems coming with this open door policy. We are making up the ways to deal with this situation as we go along and the Government don't know what to do. Being afraid of some of those consequences in not racist, it being concerned. Concern is a good emotion to have. This concern is as much for the people coming here (where there is no plan for them) as it is for the people who already live here.
We are letting in people who have different ways, different cultures and a different way of looking at things. You have to be aware of this and letting large amounts without a plan spells huge danger.
Those issues take them up with your local politician, people will respect you more..
What happens if you take up these issues and you a shot down as being a racist? What do you do then?
Have you?
It's your political parties that allow it by either not implementing the laws or they are happy with it..
But if you ain't happy then don't vote them in, and when they come to your door explain why, joining the far right just makes you look or act like a racist
Those with a certain view on Covid / vaccines / the great reset etc all seem to have a similar view on immigrants.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2023, 08:37:40 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on February 12, 2023, 08:28:05 PM
Here we go.
My sons best friend is Polish.
My daughters boyfriend is Lituanian.
My Next door neighbour is Latvian.
I have very good mates who are married to Argentinian and Singaporean women.
I encounter multiple nationalities in my job with no issues (or no more issues than the average Irish born person).
The thing is all the people above mentioned came in with a plan, with a way of getting accommodation, or getting a job and with proper papers.
There is a steam train of problems coming with this open door policy. We are making up the ways to deal with this situation as we go along and the Government don't know what to do. Being afraid of some of those consequences in not racist, it being concerned. Concern is a good emotion to have. This concern is as much for the people coming here (where there is no plan for them) as it is for the people who already live here.
We are letting in people who have different ways, different cultures and a different way of looking at things. You have to be aware of this and letting large amounts without a plan spells huge danger.
Those issues take them up with your local politician, people will respect you more..
What people? And - "respect you more"? More than what? More than making a fuss? Like "sssh, keep it quiet"? I actually did bring it up with a local FG represenative. He just agreed with me, said "We're creating ghettoes", but he's only a small cog in the wheel, so can do nothing. Sadly, we're being led on a destructive path and 'our' politicians have neither the will nor the means to do anything about it. I sometimes wonder if it's the price for the bailout we got?! But, in any case, "taking it up with local politicians" is pretty futile. Making a fuss is likely to get more results that having a quiet word with your local politician.
Making a fuss? Make a fuss with the politicians, go protest outside their houses outside the parliament.
It's their policies that have allowed the numbers to rise.
Going to people that have been possibly through wars bombings human trafficking and so on will not solve it.
If you actually believe that harassing them will work then you are lost
Hardly any of the protests are outside occupied asylum centres, but anyway...
https://m.soundcloud.com/nuala201/sean-deegan-explains-to-joe-duffy-why-he-rejected-498-out-of-500-asylum-claims
" Séan Deegan, the former barrister appointed by the department of Justice to sit on a tribunal dealing with asylum claims rejected 498 out of 500 claims because it was his belief that 498 of them were chancers who were telling lies and trying to game asylum system"
This showed up on my Twitter feed
Quote from: burdizzo on February 12, 2023, 09:32:43 PM
Hardly any of the protests are outside occupied asylum centres, but anyway...
Hardly any? Does that mean some are?
How many protests have there been outside a minister house?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 12, 2023, 09:40:45 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 12, 2023, 09:32:43 PM
Hardly any of the protests are outside occupied asylum centres, but anyway...
Hardly any? Does that mean some are?
How many protests have there been outside a minister house?
I can only think of one, but am open to correction on that.
Power is about the narrative and the Government has lost control of the narrative
Quote from: JoG2 on February 12, 2023, 09:07:22 PM
Those with a certain view on Covid / vaccines / the great reset etc all seem to have a similar view on immigrants.
You could not be more correct, except unknown't to you are talking about yourself.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 12, 2023, 09:12:14 PM
What people? And - "respect you more"? More than what? More than making a fuss? Like "sssh, keep it quiet"? I actually did bring it up with a local FG represenative. He just agreed with me, said "We're creating ghettoes", but he's only a small cog in the wheel, so can do nothing. Sadly, we're being led on a destructive path and 'our' politicians have neither the will nor the means to do anything about it. I sometimes wonder if it's the price for the bailout we got?! But, in any case, "taking it up with local politicians" is pretty futile. Making a fuss is likely to get more results that having a quiet word with your local politician.
Yes, there seems to be no internal control of these issues.
The whole thing is more than about immigration they are using immigration as an excuse to protest and sinister elements are driving it i would say they are now threatening to shut down the st patricks parade with using mams with prams.
What a horribly depressing thread. As an Irishman and an immigrant, it pains me greatly to see my compatriots express such prejudice against those who have come to us in need.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 13, 2023, 02:39:32 AM
What a horribly depressing thread. As an Irishman and an immigrant, it pains me greatly to see my compatriots express such prejudice against those who have come to us in need.
Big time.
Only reason Ireland didn't have racial problems and a far right movement traditionally was because we had almost zero diversity. Nothing to do with tolerance or a lack of prejudice.
The rise of social media too people now copy what they see in the states and Britain and communicate with them,The ira and other groups were seen as left wing so thats another reason there may not have been a big right movement because they might have been took out if they made noise.
Quote from: J70 on February 13, 2023, 02:53:08 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on February 13, 2023, 02:39:32 AM
What a horribly depressing thread. As an Irishman and an immigrant, it pains me greatly to see my compatriots express such prejudice against those who have come to us in need.
Big time.
Only reason Ireland didn't have racial problems and a far right movement traditionally was because we had almost zero diversity. Nothing to do with tolerance or a lack of prejudice.
exactly this. You see a lot of posts saying "you cant be racist and Irish." Oh how they are being proven wrong
In order for something like this to gain traction the offensive side need a simple message. And the defensive side has to be disorganised.
The Civil Service is useless against blindside risk such as financial crashes and this.
It's a worldwide problem though SF and not specific to Irish civil service etc. The foreign people are being made bogeymen by the people who stir this stuff up. The biggest problem for me is the coordination of this kind of thing and the nefarious people who are coordinating it. If it wasn't this it would be something else they would be stirring up. People are disillusioned these days with how the world is working general these days.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2023, 09:27:03 AM
The foreign people are being made bogeymen by the people who stir this stuff up. The biggest problem for me is the coordination of this kind of thing and the nefarious people who are coordinating it.
+1.
They're a virus looking for some host to infect.
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
one ejit was spreading information that french rugby fans were really refugees in disguise and did not go to the airport after the match.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2023, 10:17:45 AM
one ejit was spreading information that french rugby fans were really refugees in disguise and did not go to the airport after the match.
Brilliant, and fair play, the dafty airport staff on both sides letting them in are to blame here...
What is the policy for letting people through the airport now? If I'm flying from Dublin do I need to bring a passport?
Quote from: Eire90 on February 13, 2023, 10:17:45 AM
one ejit was spreading information that french rugby fans were really refugees in disguise and did not go to the airport after the match.
The sad thing about that is there are people who will see that and believe it.
There was a picture doing the rounds the other week with about 5 or 6 coaches queued up and the information being spread was that it was all male unvetted immigrants.
It was busloads of people going to a cross country race.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2023, 10:25:25 AM
There was a picture doing the rounds the other week with about 5 or 6 coaches queued up and the information being spread was that it was all male unvetted immigrants.
It was busloads of people going to a cross country race.
Military aged men.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2023, 10:25:25 AM
There was a picture doing the rounds the other week with about 5 or 6 coaches queued up and the information being spread was that it was all male unvetted immigrants.
It was busloads of people going to a cross country race.
Kids going to.the race. Actual schoolkids
Quote from: Cavan19 on February 13, 2023, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 13, 2023, 10:25:25 AM
There was a picture doing the rounds the other week with about 5 or 6 coaches queued up and the information being spread was that it was all male unvetted immigrants.
It was busloads of people going to a cross country race.
Military aged men.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2023/01/14/there-is-a-clear-playbook-emerging-for-how-asylum-seeker-protests-are-organised/
There is a clear playbook emerging for how these new protests are organised. Typically, someone records a video of a group of unidentified non-white men getting off a bus somewhere in Ireland. The video is funnelled through influential groups and channels online, reaching thousands of people and framed as evidence of the "invasion" or "plantation".
Paedophile hunters, Anti Vaxers, Right wing racists, Conspiracy theorists.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Economic migrants will generate more money, what are the tax payers paying for if they are working? Irish tax payers (not you of course) won't be paying extra if an working migrant family comes here to work.
As for unlimited, that's what you have taken from it. I said put systems in place as use them to fill the gaps in the labour market that are not being filled, Ireland can only hold so much with the infrastructure, hospitals, services and so on. Do you know the limitations? Has there been a government assessment on this stuff? That needs looked and a figure needs to be found.
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
Illegals should not be allowed btw, unless they can prove they are refuges running away from a war torn country as such.
What made you want to leave here? To better yourself in another country? Have a better living? Is your living standards better there or here had you stayed?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Economic migrants will generate more money, what are the tax payers paying for if they are working? Irish tax payers (not you of course) won't be paying extra if an working migrant family comes here to work.
As for unlimited, that's what you have taken from it. I said put systems in place as use them to fill the gaps in the labour market that are not being filled, Ireland can only hold so much with the infrastructure, hospitals, services and so on. Do you know the limitations? Has there been a government assessment on this stuff? That needs looked and a figure needs to be found.
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
Illegals should not be allowed btw, unless they can prove they are refuges running away from a war torn country as such.
What made you want to leave here? To better yourself in another country? Have a better living? Is your living standards better there or here had you stayed?
I put up an interview when a barrister spoke on the Joe Duffy show about his experience processing asylum claims. 498 out of 500 were rejected because "it was his belief that 498 of them were chancers who were telling lies and trying to game asylum system"
So why should an Irish person who's paid tax their entire lives have any financial obligation to these people?
Many of these people come from third world countries, have no educations and don't speak English-what exactly are these hundreds of thousands people going to work at? We are a small country-how many people can we absorb?
Yes-I did emigrate
With a valid passport
With a visa
With a letter saying I had a job
With a letter from a sponsor saying they would be financially responsible for me
With a criminal background check
With a medical (HIV/TB-both having to be negative)
And I moved to a place where I was almost identical (culturally) to the people who lived there
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Economic migrants will generate more money, what are the tax payers paying for if they are working? Irish tax payers (not you of course) won't be paying extra if an working migrant family comes here to work.
As for unlimited, that's what you have taken from it. I said put systems in place as use them to fill the gaps in the labour market that are not being filled, Ireland can only hold so much with the infrastructure, hospitals, services and so on. Do you know the limitations? Has there been a government assessment on this stuff? That needs looked and a figure needs to be found.
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
Illegals should not be allowed btw, unless they can prove they are refuges running away from a war torn country as such.
What made you want to leave here? To better yourself in another country? Have a better living? Is your living standards better there or here had you stayed?
I put up an interview when a barrister spoke on the Joe Duffy show about his experience processing asylum claims. 498 out of 500 were rejected because "it was his belief that 498 of them were chancers who were telling lies and trying to game asylum system"
So why should an Irish person who's paid tax their entire lives have any financial obligation to these people?
Many of these people come from third world countries, have no educations and don't speak English-what exactly are these hundreds of thousands people going to work at? We are a small country-how many people can we absorb?
Yes-I did emigrate
With a valid passport
With a visa
With a letter saying I had a job
With a letter from a sponsor saying they would be financially responsible for me
With a criminal background check
With a medical (HIV/TB-both having to be negative)
And I moved to a place where I was almost identical (culturally) to the people who lived there
So you emigrated. You didn't claim asylum. What's your point?
Secondly, only 2 requests were actually processed as genuine requests for asylum. I'm not sure what the point is here either, they rejected the requests of the chancers so is that not what you are arguing for?
I thought there were no chancers, they were all fleeing war zones or something ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Economic migrants will generate more money, what are the tax payers paying for if they are working? Irish tax payers (not you of course) won't be paying extra if an working migrant family comes here to work.
As for unlimited, that's what you have taken from it. I said put systems in place as use them to fill the gaps in the labour market that are not being filled, Ireland can only hold so much with the infrastructure, hospitals, services and so on. Do you know the limitations? Has there been a government assessment on this stuff? That needs looked and a figure needs to be found.
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
Illegals should not be allowed btw, unless they can prove they are refuges running away from a war torn country as such.
What made you want to leave here? To better yourself in another country? Have a better living? Is your living standards better there or here had you stayed?
I dunno if migrants generate much economic momentum these days.
Houses are so expensive. There is pressure on infrastructure already.
There should be a national conversation on the subject.
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2023, 06:25:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Economic migrants will generate more money, what are the tax payers paying for if they are working? Irish tax payers (not you of course) won't be paying extra if an working migrant family comes here to work.
As for unlimited, that's what you have taken from it. I said put systems in place as use them to fill the gaps in the labour market that are not being filled, Ireland can only hold so much with the infrastructure, hospitals, services and so on. Do you know the limitations? Has there been a government assessment on this stuff? That needs looked and a figure needs to be found.
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
Illegals should not be allowed btw, unless they can prove they are refuges running away from a war torn country as such.
What made you want to leave here? To better yourself in another country? Have a better living? Is your living standards better there or here had you stayed?
I dunno if migrants generate much economic momentum these days.
Houses are so expensive. There is pressure on infrastructure already.
There should be a national conversation on the subject.
The most recent arrivals are highly educated, with 70,300 (58.2 per cent) holding a third-level qualification.
EU immigrants account for 9.6 per cent of the workforce here, while those born outside the EU account for 4.9 per cent.
75% of all immigrants go to work here every day, as opposed to just 63% of people born in Ireland.
Only 18% of immigrants are not making themselves available for work, as opposed to 24.1% of Irish people.
Since 2016, 25% of all Irish start-ups have been founded by foreigners.
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 05:02:07 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
People are just looking excuses to f**king complain, "he's stealing my job" and "they are clogging up the doctors surgeries" The same fecker isn't sick nor has or wants a job!!
Of course there are chancers and hey, fair fucks to them, getting out of some of those hell holes is worth the effort, put the systems in place to use the extra labour force to fill in the gaps of the ones (from here) who refuse to work, cause they stubbed their big toe one day and claiming whatever new DLA benefits available to them!!
So to paraphrase, you are in favor of unlimited migration of economic migrants to Ireland and you feel that the Irish Taxpayers have a financial obligation to provide these people with a better life
Economic migrants will generate more money, what are the tax payers paying for if they are working? Irish tax payers (not you of course) won't be paying extra if an working migrant family comes here to work.
As for unlimited, that's what you have taken from it. I said put systems in place as use them to fill the gaps in the labour market that are not being filled, Ireland can only hold so much with the infrastructure, hospitals, services and so on. Do you know the limitations? Has there been a government assessment on this stuff? That needs looked and a figure needs to be found.
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
Illegals should not be allowed btw, unless they can prove they are refuges running away from a war torn country as such.
What made you want to leave here? To better yourself in another country? Have a better living? Is your living standards better there or here had you stayed?
I put up an interview when a barrister spoke on the Joe Duffy show about his experience processing asylum claims. 498 out of 500 were rejected because "it was his belief that 498 of them were chancers who were telling lies and trying to game asylum system"
So why should an Irish person who's paid tax their entire lives have any financial obligation to these people?
Many of these people come from third world countries, have no educations and don't speak English-what exactly are these hundreds of thousands people going to work at? We are a small country-how many people can we absorb?
Yes-I did emigrate
With a valid passport
With a visa
With a letter saying I had a job
With a letter from a sponsor saying they would be financially responsible for me
With a criminal background check
With a medical (HIV/TB-both having to be negative)
And I moved to a place where I was almost identical (culturally) to the people who lived there
Avoided my question completely but crack on about the 100' of thousands of people coming here, which isn't true but sounds good.
Making stuff up about not speaking English, plenty here though with little or no education spending my hard earned tax.
There are plenty jobs not being filled. Jobs being filled will result in tax being paid, that's simple enough to understand?
Bringing people in that'll work is what's needed and getting the hard pressed natives to work would benefit us again, but they too busy chasing the other chancers out cause they want the benefits for themselves lol
The government that's been voted in these past 100 years have produced the current climate, if you lived in the south you could make a small contribution towards changing it.
Apparently we have 85,000 "long term unemployed" in the 26 at a time all sorts of places can't get workers.
About time Social Welfare started interviewing these folks and offered them training etc 5 days a week.
Wonder how many would suddenly sign off???
Meanwhile I was in Galway last weekend when 2 bus loads of men of military age arrived at a sports stadium.
Joke away all you want
If this isn't addressed, the country is in for a dramatic transformation-and it won't be for the better!
Quote from: trailer on February 13, 2023, 03:31:52 PM
Paedophile hunters, Anti Vaxers, Right wing racists, Conspiracy theorists.
The type of person that is usually anti conspiracy theory believed that the Earth was being invaded by Aliens yesterday lol.
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Joke away all you want
If this isn't addressed, the country is in for a dramatic transformation-and it won't be for the better!
Hopefully when they get round to the changes they'll stop you coming back claiming a pension from the hard working Irish tax payers..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 08:18:06 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Joke away all you want
If this isn't addressed, the country is in for a dramatic transformation-and it won't be for the better!
Hopefully when they get round to the changes they'll stop you coming back claiming a pension from the hard working Irish tax payers..
I actually paid tax in Ireland 40 years ago so I'm sure I'm entitled to at least free
Travel and a free TV license
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
I really think you should check that figure of 94.5% again; it's way off.
Also, migration is not inevitable. Japan doesn't allow any large-scale immigration, and the same is true of some central European countries. Stopping it is possible if the will to do it is there. After all, look at the lengths they went to to control covid, and the money that was spent on that.
I know you're not one of the mad-cap, anti-fa types who thinks anyone and everyone should be allowed in. But just say, hypothetically, that three million of these hard working Pakistanis you cited wanted to rock up here. Would that be fine by you? We're talking about a massive change in demographics and culture. And, let's be honest, they wouldn't want to be 'like us', and nor would they want to integrate. They, ideally, would like their own culture to be the dominant one, would want the best things for THEIR children. Why shouldn't we want the same for ours?
Migration is a feature of the economic system. It's not ordained by God.
Brexit was won because of unease about migration especially in working class communities.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
I really think you should check that figure of 94.5% again; it's way off.
Also, migration is not inevitable. Japan doesn't allow any large-scale immigration, and the same is true of some central European countries. Stopping it is possible if the will to do it is there. After all, look at the lengths they went to to control covid, and the money that was spent on that.
I know you're not one of the mad-cap, anti-fa types who thinks anyone and everyone should be allowed in. But just say, hypothetically, that three million of these hard working Pakistanis you cited wanted to rock up here. Would that be fine by you? We're talking about a massive change in demographics and culture. And, let's be honest, they wouldn't want to be 'like us', and nor would they want to integrate. They, ideally, would like their own culture to be the dominant one, would want the best things for THEIR children. Why shouldn't we want the same for ours?
Japan has 125 million people living in it, it 4 times bigger than Ireland which only has 5 million.. I'm not surprised they don't have immigration
I personally couldn't care less how people live their lives, those on the Shankill and Falls for many decades didn't integrate
As for 'them' being dominant it won't happen same way it won't happen in Britain
"Currently, Ireland has a majority of "White Irish," as 94.1% of the population. There are other sizable populations of Black citizens from African countries, such as Nigeria and Mauritius, plus Asian citizens with the majority from China, India, and some from Hong Kong"
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
I really think you should check that figure of 94.5% again; it's way off.
Also, migration is not inevitable. Japan doesn't allow any large-scale immigration, and the same is true of some central European countries. Stopping it is possible if the will to do it is there. After all, look at the lengths they went to to control covid, and the money that was spent on that.
I know you're not one of the mad-cap, anti-fa types who thinks anyone and everyone should be allowed in. But just say, hypothetically, that three million of these hard working Pakistanis you cited wanted to rock up here. Would that be fine by you? We're talking about a massive change in demographics and culture. And, let's be honest, they wouldn't want to be 'like us', and nor would they want to integrate. They, ideally, would like their own culture to be the dominant one, would want the best things for THEIR children. Why shouldn't we want the same for ours?
Japan has 125 million people living in it, it 4 times bigger than Ireland which only has 5 million.. I'm not surprised they don't have immigration
I personally couldn't care less how people live their lives, those on the Shankill and Falls for many decades didn't integrate
As for 'them' being dominant it won't happen same way it won't happen in Britain
"Currently, Ireland has a majority of "White Irish," as 94.1% of the population. There are other sizable populations of Black citizens from African countries, such as Nigeria and Mauritius, plus Asian citizens with the majority from China, India, and some from Hong Kong"
Ireland has about 6.8 million.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on February 13, 2023, 08:59:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
I really think you should check that figure of 94.5% again; it's way off.
Also, migration is not inevitable. Japan doesn't allow any large-scale immigration, and the same is true of some central European countries. Stopping it is possible if the will to do it is there. After all, look at the lengths they went to to control covid, and the money that was spent on that.
I know you're not one of the mad-cap, anti-fa types who thinks anyone and everyone should be allowed in. But just say, hypothetically, that three million of these hard working Pakistanis you cited wanted to rock up here. Would that be fine by you? We're talking about a massive change in demographics and culture. And, let's be honest, they wouldn't want to be 'like us', and nor would they want to integrate. They, ideally, would like their own culture to be the dominant one, would want the best things for THEIR children. Why shouldn't we want the same for ours?
Japan has 125 million people living in it, it 4 times bigger than Ireland which only has 5 million.. I'm not surprised they don't have immigration
I personally couldn't care less how people live their lives, those on the Shankill and Falls for many decades didn't integrate
As for 'them' being dominant it won't happen same way it won't happen in Britain
"Currently, Ireland has a majority of "White Irish," as 94.1% of the population. There are other sizable populations of Black citizens from African countries, such as Nigeria and Mauritius, plus Asian citizens with the majority from China, India, and some from Hong Kong"
Ireland has about 6.8 million.
I didn't count them but 6.8 million Ireland to 125 million in Japan, I'd say it's right squeeze in Japan to live in. People aren't not daft, find a county that's got plenty of room..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 08:56:01 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 04:31:31 PM
Migration will only continue, stopping it is impossible, Ireland got away with it for so long, was probably seen as a poor country and up north an internal war going on didn't make it look appealing.
Piling people into 'hotels' camps and other places isn't the answer either short term or long term, that's just creating ghettos and tensions, mistrust and leads to the far rights people thinking they are being taken over.. Currently in Ireland its made up of 94.5 white Irish, you'll be fine if you ever come home
I really think you should check that figure of 94.5% again; it's way off.
Also, migration is not inevitable. Japan doesn't allow any large-scale immigration, and the same is true of some central European countries. Stopping it is possible if the will to do it is there. After all, look at the lengths they went to to control covid, and the money that was spent on that.
I know you're not one of the mad-cap, anti-fa types who thinks anyone and everyone should be allowed in. But just say, hypothetically, that three million of these hard working Pakistanis you cited wanted to rock up here. Would that be fine by you? We're talking about a massive change in demographics and culture. And, let's be honest, they wouldn't want to be 'like us', and nor would they want to integrate. They, ideally, would like their own culture to be the dominant one, would want the best things for THEIR children. Why shouldn't we want the same for ours?
Japan has 125 million people living in it, it 4 times bigger than Ireland which only has 5 million.. I'm not surprised they don't have immigration
I personally couldn't care less how people live their lives, those on the Shankill and Falls for many decades didn't integrate
As for 'them' being dominant it won't happen same way it won't happen in Britain
"Currently, Ireland has a majority of "White Irish," as 94.1% of the population. There are other sizable populations of Black citizens from African countries, such as Nigeria and Mauritius, plus Asian citizens with the majority from China, India, and some from Hong Kong"
Don't know where the hell you got that quote from. Here's one from the CSO from 2016: "The largest group in 2016 was "White Irish" with 3,854,226 (82.2%) usual residents."
As for Japan - that's like saying Britain never needed immigration because they had 50 million, or whatever. Besides, Japan's population is declining. The western answer? "Immigration, immigration". Japan's - "no thanks".
Why won't it happen? If you keep letting them in, it'll happen all right. The dominant culture in a lot of British cities is no longer "white British", let me tell you! And - though I admit I've never been there - I believe Paris is even worse.
I personally don't think we should stuff the country with people just so we can grow the economy. Not that bringing in all manner of asylum seekers is good for the economy, anyway.
There are currently 50 million people living in Britain that recognise themselves as white British
France since the late 1800's don't collect data on colour by law, so they are past looking at colour, they wear big boy trousers
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 09:25:33 PM
There are currently 50 million people living in Britain that recognise themselves as white British
France since the late 1800's don't collect data on colour by law, so they are past looking at colour, they wear big boy trousers
Ha ha! No, they're sans-culottes!
Actually, your answers are pretty evasive.
Quote from: seafoid on February 13, 2023, 08:53:40 PM
Migration is a feature of the economic system. It's not ordained by God.
Whatever about God migration has been going on since the first homo sapiens decided to move from their African base.
That wasn't today or yesterday.
If it wasn't for human migration Ireland would be a deserted (by humans) island.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 09:25:33 PM
There are currently 50 million people living in Britain that recognise themselves as white British
France since the late 1800's don't collect data on colour by law, so they are past looking at colour, they wear big boy trousers
Ha ha! No, they're sans-culottes!
Actually, your answers are pretty evasive.
You claim that a lot of the British city's are different cultures, when the reality is so different
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 09:25:33 PM
There are currently 50 million people living in Britain that recognise themselves as white British
France since the late 1800's don't collect data on colour by law, so they are past looking at colour, they wear big boy trousers
Ha ha! No, they're sans-culottes!
Actually, your answers are pretty evasive.
You claim that a lot of the British city's are different cultures, when the reality is so different
No, I said that in many British cities "white British" is no longer the dominant culture.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 09:25:33 PM
There are currently 50 million people living in Britain that recognise themselves as white British
France since the late 1800's don't collect data on colour by law, so they are past looking at colour, they wear big boy trousers
Ha ha! No, they're sans-culottes!
Actually, your answers are pretty evasive.
You claim that a lot of the British city's are different cultures, when the reality is so different
No, I said that in many British cities "white British" is no longer the dominant culture.
You do know all these answers are available on Google?
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Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 09:57:06 PM
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Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 09:25:33 PM
There are currently 50 million people living in Britain that recognise themselves as white British
France since the late 1800's don't collect data on colour by law, so they are past looking at colour, they wear big boy trousers
Ha ha! No, they're sans-culottes!
Actually, your answers are pretty evasive.
You claim that a lot of the British city's are different cultures, when the reality is so different
No, I said that in many British cities "white British" is no longer the dominant culture.
You do know all these answers are available on Google?
So you base you arguments on Google?! And still get 'em wrong!! Hah hah! I actually thought there was more to you than that!!
You said a lot of cities .., there's one!
Better than getting information from Karen on fb
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
You said a lot of cities .., there's one!
Better than getting information from Karen on fb
One? Nah, man - there's more than one. Check again. There's actually TWO cities where whites, let alone "white British", is a minority. See, I googled it!
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 10:19:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
You said a lot of cities .., there's one!
Better than getting information from Karen on fb
One? Nah, man - there's more than one. Check again. There's actually TWO cities where whites, let alone "white British", is a minority. See, I googled it!
Two or a lot? There are 76 of them, but ok 2, I didn't check al :D
50 million whites, you'll be fine for a while before that's overturned
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
You said a lot of cities .., there's one!
Better than getting information from Karen on fb
One? Nah, man - there's more than one. Check again. There's actually TWO cities where whites, let alone "white British", is a minority. See, I googled it!
Two or a lot? There are 76 of them, but ok 2, I didn't check al :D
50 million whites, you'll be fine for a while before that's overturned
You're not very good at this, are you? I was talking about "white British" initially, and then went further to say two cities had white minorities. Let me spell it out for you. 'White' can be non-British, other Europeans. So that means in two large cities in a European country, non-Europeans are a majority. 'White British', meanwhile, excludes other European whites, and there are further cities where 'white British' are the minority. So, that means, in Britain, there are a number of cities with non-white British majorities. For someone who was extolling the wonders of Google, you've made a bit of an arse of yourself.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
You said a lot of cities .., there's one!
Better than getting information from Karen on fb
One? Nah, man - there's more than one. Check again. There's actually TWO cities where whites, let alone "white British", is a minority. See, I googled it!
Two or a lot? There are 76 of them, but ok 2, I didn't check al :D
50 million whites, you'll be fine for a while before that's overturned
You're not very good at this, are you? I was talking about "white British" initially, and then went further to say two cities had white minorities. Let me spell it out for you. 'White' can be non-British, other Europeans. So that means in two large cities in a European country, non-Europeans are a majority. 'White British', meanwhile, excludes other European whites, and there are further cities where 'white British' are the minority. So, that means, in Britain, there are a number of cities with non-white British majorities. For someone who was extolling the wonders of Google, you've made a bit of an arse of yourself.
White: Total – 55,073,552 (87.2%) (2011)[1]
of which
White British – 51,736,290 (81.9%)
White Irish – 1,105,673 (1.7%)
White Gypsy or Irish Traveller – 63,193 (0.1%)
White Polish – 61,201 (0.1%)
Other White – 2,107,195 (3.4%)
Sleep well tonight knowing the whites will look after you
In the south
5,224,884 (July 2021 est.) Irish 82.2%, Irish travelers 0.7%, other White 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, Black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)
No one is taking your job or stopping you from getting to the doctors other than other white people
But but but.... that 7% are taking all 2.5 million of our jobs but only want benefits as they're too lazy to work and they're all criminals and paedophiles and rapists and murderers.. ...
Quote from: burdizzo on February 13, 2023, 11:34:23 PM
Milltown Row, you're basically coming on here arguing about something you don't really know anything about. So you Google it, and still get it wrong. You might not be in the same padded-cell as lobotomies like Itchy and Rossfan, but it's still not great.
So is that information incorrect? I suppose I didn't look on whiterules.com or read it off the KKK weekly
How has your life changed? Did you lose your job to an immigrant? Someone stop you going to mass?
You've had a couple of years of immigration and feel the place is getting turned!
Go about your life and you'll be fine, if you've a problem with how the government is doing things then let them know.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 13, 2023, 10:09:58 PM
You said a lot of cities .., there's one!
Better than getting information from Karen on fb
One? Nah, man - there's more than one. Check again. There's actually TWO cities where whites, let alone "white British", is a minority. See, I googled it!
Two or a lot? There are 76 of them, but ok 2, I didn't check al :D
50 million whites, you'll be fine for a while before that's overturned
You're not very good at this, are you? I was talking about "white British" initially, and then went further to say two cities had white minorities. Let me spell it out for you. 'White' can be non-British, other Europeans. So that means in two large cities in a European country, non-Europeans are a majority. 'White British', meanwhile, excludes other European whites, and there are further cities where 'white British' are the minority. So, that means, in Britain, there are a number of cities with non-white British majorities. For someone who was extolling the wonders of Google, you've made a bit of an arse of yourself.
And what about none white British? Again you're letting your true colours come out now. More worried about colour than culture me thinks.
rumours they going to have tommy ten names as a guest speaker at one of the protests soon.
The ringleaders are just using immigration as an excuse to protests as this is just part of the global social media driven culture war a war that politicians actually want.
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In the south
5,224,884 (July 2021 est.) Irish 82.2%, Irish travelers 0.7%, other White 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, Black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)
No one is taking your job or stopping you from getting to the doctors other than other white people
Unspecified 2.5% could be primarily Tyrone. Sure Strabane alone could be 0.4% . The unspecified category would include jurisdictions that may have withdrawn cooperation from the Sunday Game in recent history. Subcategories may be very white and score highly on the fake tan and national question categories but it's not just about that any longer.
https://youtu.be/RMuTSu1iYvg
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2023, 07:43:19 AM
The ringleaders are just using immigration as an excuse to protests as this is just part of the global social media driven culture war a war that politicians actually want.
To me that is the crux of the problem here. Nefarious elements are ring leading this and making it very emotive etc and preying upon economic climates between housing situations and cost of living etc etc. This means that if there are any genuine concerns they are lost in what is essentially being driven into a hate and blame fest which will not help anything and will quite frankly get people put in jail the way these things are going and for what.
The ring leaders need weeded out and then the whole thing broken down into more objective discussions so any concerns genuine people have can be ironed out.
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2023, 07:43:19 AM
The ringleaders are just using immigration as an excuse to protests as this is just part of the global social media driven culture war a war that politicians actually want.
To me that is the crux of the problem here. Nefarious elements are ring leading this and making it very emotive etc and preying upon economic climates between housing situations and cost of living etc etc. This means that if there are any genuine concerns they are lost in what is essentially being driven into a hate and blame fest which will not help anything and will quite frankly get people put in jail the way these things are going and for what.
The ring leaders need weeded out and then the whole thing broken down into more objective discussions so any concerns genuine people have can be ironed out.
Th ring leaders are funded by someone. The messaging is very sophisticated but also very simple.
Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Joke away all you want
If this isn't addressed, the country is in for a dramatic transformation-and it won't be for the better!
what dramatic transformation would that be?
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2023, 07:43:19 AM
The ringleaders are just using immigration as an excuse to protests as this is just part of the global social media driven culture war a war that politicians actually want.
To me that is the crux of the problem here. Nefarious elements are ring leading this and making it very emotive etc and preying upon economic climates between housing situations and cost of living etc etc. This means that if there are any genuine concerns they are lost in what is essentially being driven into a hate and blame fest which will not help anything and will quite frankly get people put in jail the way these things are going and for what.
The ring leaders need weeded out and then the whole thing broken down into more objective discussions so any concerns genuine people have can be ironed out.
I honestly see no different to the rhetoric used by loyalist mobs during the burning of catholic houses in Bombay street 1969, that started with hate crimes and then tensions built to a point where they just seen catholics as 3rd class or in some places sub human, its strange that over 50 years later, people are looking at humans the same way.
These ringleaders as you say hit the right notes and some people are just daft enough to listen
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Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Joke away all you want
If this isn't addressed, the country is in for a dramatic transformation-and it won't be for the better!
what dramatic transformation would that be?
someone like barret becoming the Taoiseach
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2023, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2023, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2023, 07:43:19 AM
The ringleaders are just using immigration as an excuse to protests as this is just part of the global social media driven culture war a war that politicians actually want.
To me that is the crux of the problem here. Nefarious elements are ring leading this and making it very emotive etc and preying upon economic climates between housing situations and cost of living etc etc. This means that if there are any genuine concerns they are lost in what is essentially being driven into a hate and blame fest which will not help anything and will quite frankly get people put in jail the way these things are going and for what.
The ring leaders need weeded out and then the whole thing broken down into more objective discussions so any concerns genuine people have can be ironed out.
I honestly see no different to the rhetoric used by loyalist mobs during the burning of catholic houses in Bombay street 1969, that started with hate crimes and then tensions built to a point where they just seen catholics as 3rd class or in some places sub human, its strange that over 50 years later, people are looking at humans the same way.
These ringleaders as you say hit the right notes and some people are just daft enough to listen
It's all variations of the same theme. There are groups of people who thrive on division whether that be sectarianism / racism or whatever it is. Create a bogeyman and double down on why any problems you may have are the fault of the bogeyman and go from there.
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Quote from: whitey on February 13, 2023, 08:11:39 PM
Joke away all you want
If this isn't addressed, the country is in for a dramatic transformation-and it won't be for the better!
what dramatic transformation would that be?
someone like barret becoming the Taoiseach
That would never happen.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 14, 2023, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2023, 09:28:53 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 14, 2023, 07:43:19 AM
The ringleaders are just using immigration as an excuse to protests as this is just part of the global social media driven culture war a war that politicians actually want.
To me that is the crux of the problem here. Nefarious elements are ring leading this and making it very emotive etc and preying upon economic climates between housing situations and cost of living etc etc. This means that if there are any genuine concerns they are lost in what is essentially being driven into a hate and blame fest which will not help anything and will quite frankly get people put in jail the way these things are going and for what.
The ring leaders need weeded out and then the whole thing broken down into more objective discussions so any concerns genuine people have can be ironed out.
I honestly see no different to the rhetoric used by loyalist mobs during the burning of catholic houses in Bombay street 1969, that started with hate crimes and then tensions built to a point where they just seen catholics as 3rd class or in some places sub human, its strange that over 50 years later, people are looking at humans the same way.
These ringleaders as you say hit the right notes and some people are just daft enough to listen
I agree. The north is a permanent culture war and it's so easy to wind up loyalists which is probably why educating them is not a priority...
some sort of incident in dublin yesterday a car was used to run people over by a radical leftists they are saying. country turning crazy with twitter culture wars now manifesting in the streets,
Quote from: Eire90 on February 16, 2023, 09:59:49 AM
some sort of incident in dublin yesterday a car was used to run people over by a radical leftists they are saying. country turning crazy with twitter culture wars now manifesting in the streets,
Were they trying to run over radical rights?
yes i think so well some of the protesters were probably ring leader types.
looks like tommy (ten names) robinson is in ireland or is coming to give a speech.
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2023, 11:13:23 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
Hijacked? They're brothers in arms. Wonder will Tommy wear his Soldier A-Z T-shirt?
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2023, 11:21:00 AM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2023, 11:13:23 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
Tommy Robinson is a bad man with no interests in anyone bar himself. If he's at something then questions should be asked.
It's not about 2 sides. If you think it is then you are wrong.
If you want any kind of debate and / or sensible dialogue on anything like screening immigrants or anything like that then the way to get it is not to have people like Robinson involved.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Not the link I ask for
tommy a grifter he gets middle aged english men to send him money then goes on holidays.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Not the link I ask for
Ah FFS-if you feel a financial obligation to fraudsters like this, then more fool you
"The Sunday Times report revealed that Kisyombe had not arrived in Ireland straight from Africa in 2010 "terrified," as she had told The Irish Times. In fact, she had been a student at Bristol University in the U.K. between 2007 and 2010 and had gone home to Malawi before getting a student visa for Ireland (presumably her U.K. student visa had expired).
When she had that she came here and subsequently applied for asylum in the U.K., leaving Ireland to live there for some time. She did not apply for asylum here until a year later than she told The Irish Times, perhaps when her U.K. application had failed and she was told to leave. "
Quote from: whitey on February 16, 2023, 11:59:38 AM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Not the link I ask for
Ah FFS-if you feel a financial obligation to fraudsters like this, then more fool you
"The Sunday Times report revealed that Kisyombe had not arrived in Ireland straight from Africa in 2010 "terrified," as she had told The Irish Times. In fact, she had been a student at Bristol University in the U.K. between 2007 and 2010 and had gone home to Malawi before getting a student visa for Ireland (presumably her U.K. student visa had expired).
When she had that she came here and subsequently applied for asylum in the U.K., leaving Ireland to live there for some time. She did not apply for asylum here until a year later than she told The Irish Times, perhaps when her U.K. application had failed and she was told to leave. "
But it will be ok for you to come home from the states after all these years and get free health service after virtually never paying into it? Aye dead on!!
I pesume all sports people in a certain County are fraudsters? In whiteyworld logic
apparently they are inviting a former uda commander to speak aswell.
you think republicans would be monitoring the ring leaders of these protests since they are now in league with uda/uvf types.
is the Donegal sheep dog guy still about not seen him mentioned in a while he had connections with loyalists too.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2023, 01:44:32 PM
I pesume all sports people in a certain County are fraudsters? In whiteyworld logic
Well if the sports person in question was invited to speak at a forum promoting financial responsibility or fundraising for cancer patients I'd certainly be scratching my head (and distancing myself from the event)
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 11:26:19 AM
If you want any kind of debate and / or sensible dialogue on anything like screening immigrants or anything like that then the way to get it is not to have people like Robinson involved.
Absolutely agree with this.
Wasn't there something today about an Afghan asylum seeker suing the State for not providing him with accommodation? Shows what a joke the asylum industry has become.
Would you be distancing yourself from an event if Tommy Robinson was speaking at it?
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 02:07:59 PM
Would you be distancing yourself from an event if Tommy Robinson was speaking at it?
Oh.....Tommy Robinson has no business even being in Ireland
I'm just pointing out that BOTH SIDES have employed the services of complete cvnts and scumbags to promote their agendas
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 02:07:59 PM
Would you be distancing yourself from an event if Tommy Robinson was speaking at it?
Well, I wouldn't go to it (not, I confess, that I've been to any of them). I think it'd be a very bad move to get him over. And counter-productive.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on February 16, 2023, 02:07:59 PM
Would you be distancing yourself from an event if Tommy Robinson was speaking at it?
Well, I wouldn't go to it (not, I confess, that I've been to any of them). I think it'd be a very bad move to get him over. And counter-productive.
Agreed. Whitey these things are being hijacked all over the shop.
As I say there can be no serious discussion on it while this happens.
Also what would concern me would be that people who are perhaps a little disgruntled with their life and what goes on in it get influenced by these people so all you get is a hate filled rhetoric stirring up hate and it does no one any favours. Any right thinking people should detach themselves from these protests and if they feel strongly enough find some other means of getting their point across.
So you think people shouldn't protest, full-stop? Actually, protesting is a good way of articulating dissatisfaction: a big protest movement will achieve more than a few lads writing to their TDs. I just don't think we need to get Tommy Robinson involved, that's all.
If you want to protest protest but you need very, very, different people organising. At the minute there is a lot of stoking up of hatred going on at these kind of protests. You want a forum to actually articulate things. The current protests are not that at all.
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he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Quite a lot wrong with that article
It's not ridiculous why she doesn't know the reason a decision on her case is taking so long. This happens. There are many reasons why some cases take over two years to be concluded other than challenges. There are plenty of bureaucratic delays. Win residency? Being granted asylum does not give you residency. You get a grant for 5 years. After that it is reviewed.
They are saying her application here and probably in the UK was more than likely refused. Maybe. But sure if you don't know the truth just plant rhat suspicion anyway.
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he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Quite a lot wrong with that article
It's not ridiculous why she doesn't know the reason a decision on her case is taking so long. This happens. There are many reasons why some cases take over two years to be concluded other than challenges. There are plenty of bureaucratic delays. Win residency? Being granted asylum does not give you residency. You get a grant for 5 years. After that it is reviewed.
They are saying her application here and probably in the UK was more than likely refused. Maybe. But sure if you don't know the truth just plant rhat suspicion anyway.
She was lying through her teeth
I'd love to know how much in free legal aid she clocked up during that period
I've never heard such a piles of lies in my born days
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he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Quite a lot wrong with that article
It's not ridiculous why she doesn't know the reason a decision on her case is taking so long. This happens. There are many reasons why some cases take over two years to be concluded other than challenges. There are plenty of bureaucratic delays. Win residency? Being granted asylum does not give you residency. You get a grant for 5 years. After that it is reviewed.
They are saying her application here and probably in the UK was more than likely refused. Maybe. But sure if you don't know the truth just plant rhat suspicion anyway.
She was lying through her teeth
I'd love to know how much in free legal aid she clocked up during that period
I've never heard such a piles of lies in my born days
As I said. There is plenty wrong with that article. As for lying through her teeth. You have seen her screening interview? Her substantive asylum interview? Her witness statement? No. Didn't think so
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he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Quite a lot wrong with that article
It's not ridiculous why she doesn't know the reason a decision on her case is taking so long. This happens. There are many reasons why some cases take over two years to be concluded other than challenges. There are plenty of bureaucratic delays. Win residency? Being granted asylum does not give you residency. You get a grant for 5 years. After that it is reviewed.
They are saying her application here and probably in the UK was more than likely refused. Maybe. But sure if you don't know the truth just plant rhat suspicion anyway.
She was lying through her teeth
I'd love to know how much in free legal aid she clocked up during that period
I've never heard such a piles of lies in my born days
As I said. There is plenty wrong with that article. As for lying through her teeth. You have seen her screening interview? Her substantive asylum interview? Her witness statement? No. Didn't think so
They have copies of her asylum applications in the UK and Ireland and have cross referenced them with entry visas etc, and you just can't accept that she committed fraud and told a pack of lies (and probably cost the taxpayer €1M over a decade)
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he used to come to the north regularly with bunting but that relationship turned sour when she scammed them. Match made in heaven.
He's a piece of work. if you're going to protests organised by a boy like that or with a boy like that speaking at it you need to take a look at yourself tbh. Shows you how much this kind of thing is being hijacked.
And the other side are headlining a performer who knifed someone to death in the 'Joy
This is why extremists are full of shite, who did he kill?
Another inmate
Didn't kill a guard then? Was it self defense? Gotta give me some back ground to this, like a link
Oh....and they have a faux asylum seeker on the docket as well
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
Quite a lot wrong with that article
It's not ridiculous why she doesn't know the reason a decision on her case is taking so long. This happens. There are many reasons why some cases take over two years to be concluded other than challenges. There are plenty of bureaucratic delays. Win residency? Being granted asylum does not give you residency. You get a grant for 5 years. After that it is reviewed.
They are saying her application here and probably in the UK was more than likely refused. Maybe. But sure if you don't know the truth just plant rhat suspicion anyway.
She was lying through her teeth
I'd love to know how much in free legal aid she clocked up during that period
I've never heard such a piles of lies in my born days
As I said. There is plenty wrong with that article. As for lying through her teeth. You have seen her screening interview? Her substantive asylum interview? Her witness statement? No. Didn't think so
They have copies of her asylum applications in the UK and Ireland and have cross referenced them with entry visas etc, and you just can't accept that she committed fraud and told a pack of lies (and probably cost the taxpayer €1M over a decade)
Who has? Irish central? They don't even know the outcome of her application
"The Sunday Times story was probably helped by a leak from someone in the immigration service here where there is irritation at the accusations of "bureaucratic delays" which allegedly cause people like Kisyombe to languish in the system for years"
Believe whatever you want
Probably. Again they don't know. And I highly doubt they have seen the asylum application. But. Believe what you want
They're apparently inviting some UDA Commander to speak aswell
as i have said before the whole thing is about more than immigration its just part of the culture war they see ireland as a battleground and covid got them a lot of new members.
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as i have said before the whole thing is about more than immigration its just part of the culture war they see ireland as a battleground and covid got them a lot of new members.
Absolutely. It's the fault of the main stream parties though- people who felt covid measures went too far and/or have genuine, justified concerns about immigration have 0 decent representation and are being duped by the far right loonies.
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They're apparently inviting some UDA Commander to speak aswell
Good, let them be seen for the absolute scum they are.
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They're apparently inviting some UDA Commander to speak aswell
Who's inviting a UDA commander?
So on one side we have a drug dealing murderer and a fake asylum seeker
And on the other side we have Tommy Robinson and a UDA commander
All were missing is that crazy defrocked priest who interrupted the London Olympics
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They're apparently inviting some UDA Commander to speak aswell
Who's inviting a UDA commander?
So on one side we have a drug dealing murderer and a fake asylum seeker
And on the other side we have Tommy Robinson and a UDA commander
All were missing is that crazy defrocked priest who interrupted the London Olympics
Alleged fake asylum seeker. No proof
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 16, 2023, 03:09:22 PM
They're apparently inviting some UDA Commander to speak aswell
Who's inviting a UDA commander?
So on one side we have a drug dealing murderer and a fake asylum seeker
And on the other side we have Tommy Robinson and a UDA commander
All were missing is that crazy defrocked priest who interrupted the London Olympics
Alleged fake asylum seeker. No proof
Haha-okay. Whatever you say
As my granny used to say, they have you codded up to the 2 eyeballs
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 16, 2023, 03:09:22 PM
They're apparently inviting some UDA Commander to speak aswell
Who's inviting a UDA commander?
So on one side we have a drug dealing murderer and a fake asylum seeker
And on the other side we have Tommy Robinson and a UDA commander
All were missing is that crazy defrocked priest who interrupted the London Olympics
Alleged fake asylum seeker. No proof
LOL
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ellie-kisyombe-charged-with-2019-assault-ldgc70x70
She was also up on charges of battering someone
FFS
And?
Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
There are voices there that are of the same ilk though whether he comes or not.
I don't know the name of the particular woman but she's a piece of work...
Quote from: burdizzo on February 16, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
Planted by the establishment left. Do you ever read what you type before you post
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Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
Planted by the establishment left. Do you ever read what you type before you post
Yes, of course I do. Do you not understand it, or what? Need help?
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Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
Planted by the establishment left. Do you ever read what you type before you post
Yes, of course I do. Do you not understand it, or what? Need help?
Are they the same left wing establishment that brought down Liz Truss!
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Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
He's very much in Dublin as just seen a video of him bragging about flying in on his Irish passport.
Will be interesting to see who all will stand with him when he's over here as they won't be able to deny they are Far Right then.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 16, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
Your having a nightmare here lad
Will he be wearing his support for Soldier F t-shirt while he's in Dublin?
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Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
Your having a nightmare here lad
Will he be wearing his support for Soldier F t-shirt while he's in Dublin?
I already said it'd be a bad idea to get him over or have him involved. Very counter-productive.
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Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
He's very much in Dublin as just seen a video of him bragging about flying in on his Irish passport.
Will be interesting to see who all will stand with him when he's over here as they won't be able to deny they are Far Right then.
Following that logic anyone who attends the other march (the one with Christy Moore and Co) must be in favor of drug dealing and murder and submitting false asylum applications (allegedly).
I see the dopey yank and the other moron are still hard at it. Great to see your comrades bringing over an anti Irish fascist from England. I hope now the people stupid enough to stand with these guys on the street now see what they are part of. I also hope Tommy gets the same Dublin welcome that the love ulster parade got.
has tommy not been saying himself he might come to ireland
dee stitt or something the uda commander is i heard he threaten to break 13 year old girls arms and legs for accidently lighting a bonfire.
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dee stitt or something the uda commander is i heard he threaten to break 13 year old girls arms and legs for accidently lighting a bonfire.
How do you accidentally light a bonfire?
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
The donegal sheep dog guy niall mcconell has connections with jim dawson and the likes of nick griffen.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
no but he should not be threatening people just because hes in a mental attachement relationship to pallets.
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
And I thought that Inmigration was a left wing globalist (Jewish) conspiracy.
It looks like it is the right wing who are the Globalists, all the same talking points and speakers.
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And I thought that Inmigration was a left wing globalist (Jewish) conspiracy.
It looks like it is the right wing who are the Globalists, all the same talking points and speakers.
Weak.
Inviting a pallet shagger down to speak maybe not a good idea.
Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
Inviting a pallet shagger down to speak maybe not a good idea.
Can't believe how bad it is when Irish people invite Combat 18 type people to protest, the world has gone mad.
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 09:11:39 AM
Inviting a pallet shagger down to speak maybe not a good idea.
Can't believe how bad it is when Irish people invite Combat 18 type people to protest, the world has gone mad.
I could well believe it, they're brothers in arms. Loyalists, British Nationalists and Irish patriots. They're all the same.
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 12:29:36 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
Ah come on. If you're finding yourself defending bonfire loving knuckle draggers you need to have a word with yourself
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
You can think that drug dealing murders and loyalist bonfire builders are both pricks you know. Usual story here you have to be 100% one side or the other not allowed to be in between ffs
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
In the states they must give anyone a job, I've asked you to show me where I support drug dealers? If you have one brain cell, I'd be amazed.
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
In the states they must give anyone a job, I've asked you to show me where I support drug dealers? If you have one brain cell, I'd be amazed.
Do should the organizers of Saturdays rally distance themselves from (and disinvite) a drug dealing murderer from their event
Yes or no!
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
In the states they must give anyone a job, I've asked you to show me where I support drug dealers? If you have one brain cell, I'd be amazed.
Do should the organizers of Saturdays rally distance themselves from (and disinvite) a drug dealing murderer from their event
Yes or no!
I'll answer that one when you show me a post that I said I'm all for drug deals and murders..
You have great patience Milltown.
That phrase about not arguing with an eejit springs to mind....but you should be safe enough as no normal person could descend to that level.
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
In the states they must give anyone a job, I've asked you to show me where I support drug dealers? If you have one brain cell, I'd be amazed.
Do should the organizers of Saturdays rally distance themselves from (and disinvite) a drug dealing murderer from their event
Yes or no!
I'll answer that one when you show me a post that I said I'm all for drug deals and murders..
Do you support the holding of the event? Yes or no !
(If your answer is yes, and they are showcasing a drug dealing murderer at the event.....should they reconsider and disinvite him-yes or no!)
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
In the states they must give anyone a job, I've asked you to show me where I support drug dealers? If you have one brain cell, I'd be amazed.
Do should the organizers of Saturdays rally distance themselves from (and disinvite) a drug dealing murderer from their event
Yes or no!
I'll answer that one when you show me a post that I said I'm all for drug deals and murders..
Do you support the holding of the event? Yes or no !
(If your answer is yes, and they are showcasing a drug dealing murderer at the event.....should they reconsider and disinvite him-yes or no!)
A former addict who killed someone in a prison fight who has subsequently turned his life around will sing a song at the rally.
That's quite different from prominent gangsters organising protests and a heroin dealer putting Tommy Robinson up
Is Robinson coming or not? There'll be counter protests and fights if he does you'd imagine. Surely no Irish person will stand next to a far right Englishman
Quote from: burdizzo on February 16, 2023, 09:02:05 PM
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Quote from: burdizzo on February 16, 2023, 04:10:12 PM
Ha ha!
By the way, these 'rumours' about Tommy Robinson are only that. Probably planted by the 'establishment left' to discredit the protests, anyway.
Planted by the establishment left. Do you ever read what you type before you post
Yes, of course I do. Do you not understand it, or what? Need help?
You are entertaining. I will give you that.
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 02:01:18 PM
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Quote from: Eire90 on February 17, 2023, 12:19:18 AM
i dont know i just heard that somewhere doesnt give him the right to threaten people even if it was not accident.
Would you "accidentally" light a bone fire belonging to the Kinahans or the Real IRA?
I think those teenagers got off lightly with a few threats and a £2K fine on their families
The state of tbis post... Whitey never come back, you seem like a complete stain
So you have your hair on fire about someone getting verbally threatened over a bonfire, by you're perfectly find with a guy knifing someone to death (as long as he supports your views on migrants)
Interesting
Please show me where I've said I'm happy about drug dealing murders? Any clampit that does is a fuckwit, same as someone who supports the Irish KKK, that includes you.
Supporting loyalists bonfires now! f**king nut job!
LOL....there's a rally coming up on Saturday where a drug dealing murderer is one of the headline acts
In fact the drug dealing murderer is becoming one of the highest profile cheerleaders for the pro (fake) asylum seeker side.
And you're okay with that
Fair enough
In the states they must give anyone a job, I've asked you to show me where I support drug dealers? If you have one brain cell, I'd be amazed.
Do should the organizers of Saturdays rally distance themselves from (and disinvite) a drug dealing murderer from their event
Yes or no!
I'll answer that one when you show me a post that I said I'm all for drug deals and murders..
Do you support the holding of the event? Yes or no !
(If your answer is yes, and they are showcasing a drug dealing murderer at the event.....should they reconsider and disinvite him-yes or no!)
I'll answer. They should probably disassociate with that guy. Caveat is I don't know anything about him. Now, can you answer MR. And also admit you know nothing about the asylum process?
So if Robinson now somehow represents all those opposing (fake) asylum seekers, how does this murderer guy not represent those in favor of open borders if we apply the same standards
And as for the other person who shouldn't be there tomorrow
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ellie-kisyombe-charged-with-2019-assault-ldgc70x70
Ellie had more holes in her asylum story than a block of Swiss cheese. To the point that some senior members of the Social Democrats resigned when the party let her go ahead for election
A murderer and a faux asylum seeker is who is being highlighted at their rally-a joke
So is Tommy Robinson making a joke of the "other side" then Whitey?
Quote from: Armagh18 on February 17, 2023, 02:37:59 PM
Is Robinson coming or not? There'll be counter protests and fights if he does you'd imagine. Surely no Irish person will stand next to a far right Englishman
He's been in Ireland since yesterday - down in Killarney today
https://twitter.com/Alanoleary21/status/1626550349430505473
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 17, 2023, 03:30:56 PM
So is Tommy Robinson making a joke of the "other side" then Whitey?
Yes.....if they INVITED him to participate
Always the but...
It's the same on either side though. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 17, 2023, 03:40:27 PM
Always the but...
It's the same on either side though. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Big difference here is Tommy Robinson showed up....someone affiliated may have asked him to come over, but he's not a headline speaker at their counter protest as far as I know
The (alleged) asylum fraudster and the drug dealer/murderer are highlighted speakers at the pro asylum rally. FFS they're even listed on the official Social Media blurbs that I've seen
If you don't hunk that's problematic, that's up to you
You assume people don't though.
Protests in general are made a mockery of these days. This one is wrecked on the anti asylum seeker side this long time as it's just hatred being stoked up by nefarious elements. If the protests on the "other" side are doing what you say they're doing(I am not convinced in many cases what you say is accurate mind you but however let's say it is) then they are also wrecked and quite frankly they shouldn't need to do much other than need to show a bit of welcome and solidarity.
Neither are any benefit to anyone quite frankly and if people have genuine concerns then there needs to be work done to find a forum.
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Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
Hysterical stuff.
Oh, absolutely - and that's all he has to say. I don't know why he bothers. But it does amaze me how quickly and completely these socialist republican types have abandoned the sense of nationalism they used to embrace - and, in many ways, were defined by.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 17, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
Hysterical stuff.
Oh, absolutely - and that's all he has to say. I don't know why he bothers. But it does amaze me how quickly and completely these socialist republican types have abandoned the sense of nationalism they used to embrace - and, in many ways, were defined by.
Point of order- don't call Rossfan a Republican ffs.
Yep I'm a Monarchist :D ;D⁷
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 17, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
Hysterical stuff.
Oh, absolutely - and that's all he has to say. I don't know why he bothers. But it does amaze me how quickly and completely these socialist republican types have abandoned the sense of nationalism they used to embrace - and, in many ways, were defined by.
It's almost as amazing as these Irish Nationalist Patriot types; who are so concerned about all these "unvetted" men of "military fighting age" swarming into the country, yet have done diddly squat about the ones already here; and have been here for decades. You know, the ones that are armed to the teeth, have already murdered hundreds of irish men, women and children (directly and indirectly through their Loyalist proxies), came here unvetted and of whom many already had criminal records...
If any of these self-styled "Patriots" actually cared about their country, they'd be organising protests and demonstrations against the continued occupation of our country - but the reality is they'd actually rather align themselves with those same Loyalist extremists and deranged, right-wing, British fascists to target a marginalised group that will be unlikely to offer any sort of fight back.
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0216/1357159-over-60-of-asylum-applicants-at-dublin-airport-had-no-id/
So 60% of asylum applicants got on a plane with documents but got off without any
Fvckin joke
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 09:37:49 PM
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0216/1357159-over-60-of-asylum-applicants-at-dublin-airport-had-no-id/
So 60% of asylum applicants got on a plane with documents but got off without any
Fvckin joke
That's an airport problem, they should 100% be sent straight back to same airport, so the government is at fault for allowing it. But you don't see that, cause you're a Cnut
If they claim asylum, their asylum claim has to be processed. We've been through this before. Their lack of documents will be looked at. And there are reason why they may not have them which doesn't include destruction
Quote from: general_lee on February 17, 2023, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 17, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
Hysterical stuff.
Oh, absolutely - and that's all he has to say. I don't know why he bothers. But it does amaze me how quickly and completely these socialist republican types have abandoned the sense of nationalism they used to embrace - and, in many ways, were defined by.
It's almost as amazing as these Irish Nationalist Patriot types; who are so concerned about all these "unvetted" men of "military fighting age" swarming into the country, yet have done diddly squat about the ones already here; and have been here for decades. You know, the ones that are armed to the teeth, have already murdered hundreds of irish men, women and children (directly and indirectly through their Loyalist proxies), came here unvetted and of whom many already had criminal records...
If any of these self-styled "Patriots" actually cared about their country, they'd be organising protests and demonstrations against the continued occupation of our country - but the reality is they'd actually rather align themselves with those same Loyalist extremists and deranged, right-wing, British fascists to target a marginalised group that will be unlikely to offer any sort of fight back.
Heh. So they've seen what's happened when you let in unwanted 'visitors', and want no more of it? Very wise! Actually, the thing is, the big majority of the protesters would be pro-unity/ "Brits Out" by instinct. It's sort of like how the majority of Sinn Fein voters are for immigration control. Yet the party stands with the NGOs (a misnomer if ever there was one!) and all the other open-borders loons. Might not work out too well for them.
Anyway, what are you on about - "our country"? The way ye anti-nationalists and far-leftists go on, such language should be redundant. It's not "our country", remember - it's "Ireland for all". What an absolute joke ye lot are.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 17, 2023, 10:24:21 PM
If they claim asylum, their asylum claim has to be processed. We've been through this before. Their lack of documents will be looked at. And there are reason why they may not have them which doesn't include destruction
We've been through it but ultimately if they managed to get past either airport then the procedures need looked at, not strange to have representatives at certain airports and screen people coming through.
The policy needs looked at. Unless you've a preventative procedure then criminal gangs will encourage safe travel to an EU country.
As I've said before if I lived in a country that's war torn or third world I'd be trying to get out, so I don't blame people trying, I blame the system that is very slow a and costing in fixing it
https://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a34607721417/1485556221542/Dublinprocessen_en.pdf
So are the provisions of the Dublin agreement being enforced
Think Tonto1888 must still believe in Santa
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 10:48:07 PM
https://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a34607721417/1485556221542/Dublinprocessen_en.pdf
So are the provisions of the Dublin agreement being enforced
Course not. Just like deportations aren't being enforced.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 10:58:47 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 10:48:07 PM
https://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a34607721417/1485556221542/Dublinprocessen_en.pdf
So are the provisions of the Dublin agreement being enforced
Course not. Just like deportations aren't being enforced.
Again it a government thing. Take you're grievances to the government, not too late to change direction, otherwise you'll come across as a right wing thug
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 17, 2023, 10:56:20 PM
Think Tonto1888 must still believe in Santa
If you say so
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 10:48:07 PM
https://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.39a9cd9514a34607721417/1485556221542/Dublinprocessen_en.pdf
So are the provisions of the Dublin agreement being enforced
The other country won't always take responsibility unfortunately
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2023, 10:42:34 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 17, 2023, 10:24:21 PM
If they claim asylum, their asylum claim has to be processed. We've been through this before. Their lack of documents will be looked at. And there are reason why they may not have them which doesn't include destruction
We've been through it but ultimately if they managed to get past either airport then the procedures need looked at, not strange to have representatives at certain airports and screen people coming through.
The policy needs looked at. Unless you've a preventative procedure then criminal gangs will encourage safe travel to an EU country.
As I've said before if I lived in a country that's war torn or third world I'd be trying to get out, so I don't blame people trying, I blame the system that is very slow a and costing in fixing it
That does happen. Still doesn't change the fact that facilitators will hold on to people's passports while going through controls. Then when they get to the destination airport they will go through the controls forst, while still holding the passports leaving the asylum seeker without documentation. Also, a lot of the countries they come from, officials are open to bribes.
This is very confusing
Are the Gardai cross referencing the fingerprints of those presenting without ID against the European database, assuming the flight originated in one of the 28 (+4) countries subject to the Dublin agreement.
Still an airport issue and measures need to be in place..
Ryanair wont let you have a case on flight if it's 1 ounce heavier without paying extra..
Something seriously wrong when people can get past the last part of getting on the plane without showing a legal passport. If someone takes it off them on the plane that's again an airport security problem.
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 11:51:25 PM
This is very confusing
Are the Gardai cross referencing the fingerprints of those presenting without ID against the European database, assuming the flight originated in one of the 28 (+4) countries subject to the Dublin agreement.
Dublin airport get a lot of Frankfurt flights. Frankfurt is a hub. So though they may come from Frankfurt that isn't necessarily where their flight originated. Regardless. All asylum seekers will have their fingerprints taken and tan so see if they've been printed or claimed asylum elsewhere
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 17, 2023, 11:52:55 PM
Still an airport issue and measures need to be in place..
Ryanair wont let you have a case on flight if it's 1 ounce heavier without paying extra..
Something seriously wrong when people can get past the last part of getting on the plane without showing a legal passport. If someone takes it off them on the plane that's again an airport security problem.
Their documents will be seen before they board the flight. You can't board a flight without them.
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 17, 2023, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 11:51:25 PM
This is very confusing
Are the Gardai cross referencing the fingerprints of those presenting without ID against the European database, assuming the flight originated in one of the 28 (+4) countries subject to the Dublin agreement.
Dublin airport get a lot of Frankfurt flights. Frankfurt is a hub. So though they may come from Frankfurt that isn't necessarily where their flight originated. Regardless. All asylum seekers will have their fingerprints taken and tan so see if they've been printed or claimed asylum elsewhere
It would be interesting to know of the 60% arriving without ID into Dublin Airport, how many had transited through either a safe or "Dublin Treaty" country, and how many had already applied for asylum elsewhere
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 12:18:41 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 17, 2023, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 17, 2023, 11:51:25 PM
This is very confusing
Are the Gardai cross referencing the fingerprints of those presenting without ID against the European database, assuming the flight originated in one of the 28 (+4) countries subject to the Dublin agreement.
Dublin airport get a lot of Frankfurt flights. Frankfurt is a hub. So though they may come from Frankfurt that isn't necessarily where their flight originated. Regardless. All asylum seekers will have their fingerprints taken and tan so see if they've been printed or claimed asylum elsewhere
It would be interesting to know of the 60% arriving without ID into Dublin Airport, how many had transited through either a safe or "Dublin Treaty" country, and how many had already applied for asylum elsewhere
If they've applie for asylum elsewhere it'll be found out as there is a database. The percentage isn't as high as you would think though
The UDA had a plan to externminate and genocide catholics in northern ireland and now so called patriots of ireland are inviting them to speak.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
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Quote from: full moon on February 17, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
Hysterical stuff.
Oh, absolutely - and that's all he has to say. I don't know why he bothers. But it does amaze me how quickly and completely these socialist republican types have abandoned the sense of nationalism they used to embrace - and, in many ways, were defined by.
It's almost as amazing as these Irish Nationalist Patriot types; who are so concerned about all these "unvetted" men of "military fighting age" swarming into the country, yet have done diddly squat about the ones already here; and have been here for decades. You know, the ones that are armed to the teeth, have already murdered hundreds of irish men, women and children (directly and indirectly through their Loyalist proxies), came here unvetted and of whom many already had criminal records...
If any of these self-styled "Patriots" actually cared about their country, they'd be organising protests and demonstrations against the continued occupation of our country - but the reality is they'd actually rather align themselves with those same Loyalist extremists and deranged, right-wing, British fascists to target a marginalised group that will be unlikely to offer any sort of fight back.
Heh. So they've seen what's happened when you let in unwanted 'visitors', and want no more of it? Very wise! Actually, the thing is, the big majority of the protesters would be pro-unity/ "Brits Out" by instinct. It's sort of like how the majority of Sinn Fein voters are for immigration control. Yet the party stands with the NGOs (a misnomer if ever there was one!) and all the other open-borders loons. Might not work out too well for them.
Anyway, what are you on about - "our country"? The way ye anti-nationalists and far-leftists go on, such language should be redundant. It's not "our country", remember - it's "Ireland for all". What an absolute joke ye lot are.
f**k me you are one clampet ;D
You should take yourself off down to the nearest lodge and be around like-minded people. Why are you even on this forum? Your far-right beliefs are in complete contrast to the ethos of the GAA!
Quote from: general_lee on February 18, 2023, 09:03:14 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 10:27:29 PM
Quote from: general_lee on February 17, 2023, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 17, 2023, 05:29:12 PM
Quote from: full moon on February 17, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on February 17, 2023, 10:02:47 AM
Self declared "Irish patriots" you mean ;)
Hate filled fascist racist xenophobic scum of a feather flock together.
Hysterical stuff.
Oh, absolutely - and that's all he has to say. I don't know why he bothers. But it does amaze me how quickly and completely these socialist republican types have abandoned the sense of nationalism they used to embrace - and, in many ways, were defined by.
It's almost as amazing as these Irish Nationalist Patriot types; who are so concerned about all these "unvetted" men of "military fighting age" swarming into the country, yet have done diddly squat about the ones already here; and have been here for decades. You know, the ones that are armed to the teeth, have already murdered hundreds of irish men, women and children (directly and indirectly through their Loyalist proxies), came here unvetted and of whom many already had criminal records...
If any of these self-styled "Patriots" actually cared about their country, they'd be organising protests and demonstrations against the continued occupation of our country - but the reality is they'd actually rather align themselves with those same Loyalist extremists and deranged, right-wing, British fascists to target a marginalised group that will be unlikely to offer any sort of fight back.
Heh. So they've seen what's happened when you let in unwanted 'visitors', and want no more of it? Very wise! Actually, the thing is, the big majority of the protesters would be pro-unity/ "Brits Out" by instinct. It's sort of like how the majority of Sinn Fein voters are for immigration control. Yet the party stands with the NGOs (a misnomer if ever there was one!) and all the other open-borders loons. Might not work out too well for them.
Anyway, what are you on about - "our country"? The way ye anti-nationalists and far-leftists go on, such language should be redundant. It's not "our country", remember - it's "Ireland for all". What an absolute joke ye lot are.
f**k me you are one clampet ;D
You should take yourself off down to the nearest lodge and be around like-minded people. Why are you even on this forum? Your far-right beliefs are in complete contrast to the ethos of the GAA!
Not at all. The GAA is about close-knit communities working together for a common good. Multiculturalism, on the other hand, is all about an atomised, individualised, low-trust society where volunteers are hard-got, and where everyone is out for themselves!
Where in the name of god did you come up with that definition of multiculturalism??
What countries are the asylum seekers coming from ?
Only 1 member of the 0.8% Fascust scum dared show their face
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0218/1357388-diversity-marches/
https://youtu.be/KOjI0wZfdEg
And as the population increases climate targets become even less attainable making things even more expensive
Ireland is well and truely fvcked
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 03:47:43 PM
https://youtu.be/KOjI0wZfdEg
And as the population increases climate targets become even less attainable making things even more expensive
Ireland is well and truely fvcked
Well hopefully that'll keep you where you are.. hope you're not feeding your kids this shite? God love then
I've heard it all now......we need to keep people out because of climate change.
Let's all leave so and really help.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2023, 04:18:57 PM
I've heard it all now......we need to keep people out because of climate change.
Let's all leave so and really help.
Don't shoot the messenger
Eamonn Ryan said we are going to miss our climate targets if the population increases (and he's advocating for a population of 10 M and "to import refugees en masse")
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2023, 04:18:57 PM
I've heard it all now......we need to keep people out because of climate change.
Let's all leave so and really help.
Even Extinction Rebellion have come out against immigration to the west. Why bring more and more people from parts of the world with a low carbon footprint (such as most of Africa) to parts that already have a high carbon footprint (for example most of "the west")? I mean, we know WHY - but does it make any sense??!!
Seeing as the west raped and pillaged these counties it's only fair we look after them when they are looking to better themselves
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2023, 03:25:00 PM
Only 1 member of the 0.8% Fascust scum dared show their face
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0218/1357388-diversity-marches/
Doesn't look like 50k people from that photo, maybe 5k? Are there any other pics from today especially aerial ones?
Garda estimate "over 20,000" as opposed to 1 Fascist.
I'll leave you to count the photo😆
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2023, 05:03:49 PM
Garda estimate "over 20,000" as opposed to 1 Fascist.
I'll leave you to count the photo😆
Saw a few Antifa flags
I'm sure RTE and the Irish Times will report how the event was infiltrated by the far left
Quote from: Rossfan on February 18, 2023, 05:03:49 PM
Garda estimate "over 20,000" as opposed to 1 Fascist.
I'll leave you to count the photo😆
I wouldn't trust any police force in the world so yeah maybe I'll count it ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
Seeing as the west raped and pillaged these counties it's only fair we look after them when they are looking to better themselves
If my great-grandfather stole off your great-grandfather, I still wouldn't let you rape my daughter.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 18, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
Seeing as the west raped and pillaged these counties it's only fair we look after them when they are looking to better themselves
If my great-grandfather stole off your great-grandfather, I still wouldn't let you rape my daughter.
You don't have a daughter (no one who does would write such a thing) I doubt you have anyone except palm and her 5 sisters and a phone with sticky buttons
Quote from: burdizzo on February 18, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
Seeing as the west raped and pillaged these counties it's only fair we look after them when they are looking to better themselves
If my great-grandfather stole off your great-grandfather, I still wouldn't let you rape my daughter.
Raped the land you pillock... but yeah
Well done to the Irelandforall movement for showing these fascist scum that they'll never make hay in this country and people in need are welcome here. Must be difficult for the Yankee rascist and his ilk to watch though.
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 05:42:46 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 18, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
Seeing as the west raped and pillaged these counties it's only fair we look after them when they are looking to better themselves
If my great-grandfather stole off your great-grandfather, I still wouldn't let you rape my daughter.
You don't have a daughter (no one who does would write such a thing) I doubt you have anyone except palm and her 5 sisters and a phone with sticky buttons
Not a clue do you have, Itchy. No answers ever. Just personalised abuse. Well done - you're some lad.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 18, 2023, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 05:42:46 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 18, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 04:40:44 PM
Seeing as the west raped and pillaged these counties it's only fair we look after them when they are looking to better themselves
If my great-grandfather stole off your great-grandfather, I still wouldn't let you rape my daughter.
You don't have a daughter (no one who does would write such a thing) I doubt you have anyone except palm and her 5 sisters and a phone with sticky buttons
Not a clue do you have, Itchy. No answers ever. Just personalised abuse. Well done - you're some lad.
I've lots of answers, you didn't ask a question. Just made a ridiculous comment about your make believe daughter
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 05:46:38 PM
Well done to the Irelandforall movement for showing these fascist scum that they'll never make hay in this country and people in need are welcome here. Must be difficult for the Yankee rascist and his ilk to watch though.
So if you're against unlimited unvetted inward migration of people you can't even identify you're fascist scum?
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 06:22:00 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 05:46:38 PM
Well done to the Irelandforall movement for showing these fascist scum that they'll never make hay in this country and people in need are welcome here. Must be difficult for the Yankee rascist and his ilk to watch though.
So if you're against unlimited unvetted inward migration of people you can't even identify you're fascist scum?
Am happy to answer questions that make sense. I see a question mark there but that's all I can say about it. I've met refugees in the country 6 months with better communication skills than you. Too long in Yankee land?
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
good point, is there a government agency trying to deal with the homeless problem ?
If locals are homeless it's a problem long before they become homeless, it's terrible how their home life has put them in a position that they'd rather be homeless than seek or stay in accommodation that's actually available but refuse it
Mental health issues need to be looked at, that's another government failing, nothing to do with immigration
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
The vast majority of the fascist, right wingers is that they don't give a sh1te about the homeless, they just hate foreigners. There's a lot of people making noise now, spouting populist, opportunistic nonsense when they never said a word about the homeless before now.
Spot on lenny.
Quote from: lenny on February 18, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
The vast majority of the fascist, right wingers is that they don't give a sh1te about the homeless, they just hate foreigners. There's a lot of people making noise now, spouting populist, opportunistic nonsense when they never said a word about the homeless before now.
Planning laws can be ignored to accomadate refugees but not ignored to accomadate the Irish homeless-big difference
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2022/11/17/no-planning-permission-needed-for-two-years-on-converting-buildings-to-house-ukrainian-refugees/
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 18, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
The vast majority of the fascist, right wingers is that they don't give a sh1te about the homeless, they just hate foreigners. There's a lot of people making noise now, spouting populist, opportunistic nonsense when they never said a word about the homeless before now.
Planning laws can be ignored to accomadate refugees but not ignored to accomadate the Irish homeless-big difference
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2022/11/17/no-planning-permission-needed-for-two-years-on-converting-buildings-to-house-ukrainian-refugees/
European Law
Also refer to Lenny above, he talking about you
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 18, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
The vast majority of the fascist, right wingers is that they don't give a sh1te about the homeless, they just hate foreigners. There's a lot of people making noise now, spouting populist, opportunistic nonsense when they never said a word about the homeless before now.
Planning laws can be ignored to accomadate refugees but not ignored to accomadate the Irish homeless-big difference
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2022/11/17/no-planning-permission-needed-for-two-years-on-converting-buildings-to-house-ukrainian-refugees/
European Law
Also refer to Lenny above, he talking about you
Water off a ducks back
If you're not for open borders, you're a fascist according to most on here
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:37:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 18, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
The vast majority of the fascist, right wingers is that they don't give a sh1te about the homeless, they just hate foreigners. There's a lot of people making noise now, spouting populist, opportunistic nonsense when they never said a word about the homeless before now.
Planning laws can be ignored to accomadate refugees but not ignored to accomadate the Irish homeless-big difference
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2022/11/17/no-planning-permission-needed-for-two-years-on-converting-buildings-to-house-ukrainian-refugees/
European Law
Also refer to Lenny above, he talking about you
Post a link to where it shows that's European Law
IT article implies different
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2023, 08:58:01 PM
If locals are homeless it's a problem long before they become homeless, it's terrible how their home life has put them in a position that they'd rather be homeless than seek or stay in accommodation that's actually available but refuse it
Mental health issues need to be looked at, that's another government failing, nothing to do with immigration
I like to think im clued up on homeless issues having worked in a well known hostel in belfast for 12 years.
You are correct in saying mental health is a huge issue, there is a whole myriad of issues at play and usually it is a long drawn out process that leads to a person becoming homeless, issues at home, poverty, drug ir substance abuse, mental health, issues with family etc, in the current climate these issues will present more and more due to the cost of living, the money isnt being invested either to tackle these issues but the government is finding money to pay for hotel rooms, someone is making money in all of this.
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
A poster spouting for pages about immigration and asylum/refugees etc then asks what are the laws about this?
You cam see how millions voted for Trump alright🙄
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
We have the space we just need to invest in the right structures, again it doesn't concern you, you immigrated elsewhere but giving off about immigration here. Some mental gymnastics going on in your head lad.
I wonder do you post while wearing the white robe on?
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
I built my house in 2005. I have 10 yrs left on my mortgage or a little less. Despite these terrible foreigners being in my local town the price of property around here is going up, not down. If it was going down I wouldn't care anyway. Only a particular type of gobshite cares what the value of their family home is, the value should be about much more than money. Too long in yank land, you dont understand that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2023, 11:50:04 AM
We have the space we just need to invest in the right structures, again it doesn't concern you, you immigrated elsewhere but giving off about immigration here. Some mental gymnastics going on in your head lad.
I wonder do you post while wearing the white robe on?
Why is it desirable to have 10M in the state?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 01:00:32 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2023, 11:50:04 AM
We have the space we just need to invest in the right structures, again it doesn't concern you, you immigrated elsewhere but giving off about immigration here. Some mental gymnastics going on in your head lad.
I wonder do you post while wearing the white robe on?
Why is it desirable to have 10M in the state?
Is it desirable if it becomes a United Ireland anc we end up at some point with 10 million?
Is it just Irish people you want?
The state as it currently is, I think is what Eamon Ryan was referring to - or what the plan is. I'd be happy to have a united Ireland, but I still don't think it desirable to have 10M in it.
Should it just be Irish people? No; but it should be mostly Irish people.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 02:35:56 PM
The state as it currently is, I think is what Eamon Ryan was referring to - or what the plan is. I'd be happy to have a united Ireland, but I still don't think it desirable to have 10M in it.
Should it just be Irish people? No; but it should be mostly Irish people.
There were people chanting "no borders, no nations.....stop deportations" at the rally yesterday
I'm all for immigrants.....just not unlimited, unvetted and unidentifiable ones
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 09:26:51 PM
Quote from: lenny on February 18, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on February 18, 2023, 07:42:38 PM
Im by no means facist or right wing, but when homeless people born here are dying amd receiving very little support it can be infuriating seeing people welcomed and placed in hotels.
It surely isnt their fault that they are fleeing wars etc and the anger or discussion needs to be directed at governments, not that it will change much, but the people here deserve to be treated better and have more support.
I do assume that big business is making plenty of money housing immigrants in hotels, no empty rooms and government paying out plenty, no profit to be had in housing the native homeless people.
The vast majority of the fascist, right wingers is that they don't give a sh1te about the homeless, they just hate foreigners. There's a lot of people making noise now, spouting populist, opportunistic nonsense when they never said a word about the homeless before now.
Planning laws can be ignored to accomadate refugees but not ignored to accomadate the Irish homeless-big difference
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2022/11/17/no-planning-permission-needed-for-two-years-on-converting-buildings-to-house-ukrainian-refugees/
Ukrainian refugees. That's why that happened
Quote from: burdizzo on February 19, 2023, 02:35:56 PM
The state as it currently is, I think is what Eamon Ryan was referring to - or what the plan is. I'd be happy to have a united Ireland, but I still don't think it desirable to have 10M in it.
Should it just be Irish people? No; but it should be mostly Irish people.
Is it not mostly Irish? How many are non Irish?
We were talking about 10M. If we jump to 10M, the extra will be mostly not-Irish people.
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
Can you post up the link please.
There has been talk particularly by the likes of David McWilliams of planning for a population of 10m in a United Ireland by 2050
Given that the population on the Island is currently over 7m and the population in the ROI grew by 7.6% between 2016 and 2022,the 10m figure is well within reach of being hit by 2050 without any mass migration
Not with a 1.8% fertility rate.
Quote from: clonadmad on February 19, 2023, 07:12:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
Can you post up the link please.
There has been talk particularly by the likes of David McWilliams of planning for a population of 10m in a United Ireland by 2050
Given that the population on the Island is currently over 7m and the population in the ROI grew by 7.6% between 2016 and 2022,the 10m figure is well within reach of being hit by 2050 without any mass migration
https://youtu.be/KOjI0wZfdEg
I said en masse-that was incorrect
He used the term "bringing in refugees in scale" which would be the same thing imo
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
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Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
Ryan doesn't have 'a plan' to increase the population. He stated that there would be a sharp increase in refugees and we would need to start planning for a significant population jump.
And he was 100% right
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Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
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Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
Ryan doesn't have 'a plan' to increase the population. He stated that there would be a sharp increase in refugees and we would need to start planning for a significant population jump.
And he was 100% right
If they do nothing to discourage it, it amounts to a plan.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 20, 2023, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 01:51:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
Ryan doesn't have 'a plan' to increase the population. He stated that there would be a sharp increase in refugees and we would need to start planning for a significant population jump.
And he was 100% right
If they do nothing to discourage it, it amounts to a plan.
Another top take by the boards thickest member. Well done.
Do you have a plan to prevent crime? No? Well then that "amounts to" a plan to increase crime. Shame on you.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 20, 2023, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 20, 2023, 01:51:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 19, 2023, 11:14:56 AM
Quote from: Itchy on February 19, 2023, 09:09:39 AM
Quote from: whitey on February 18, 2023, 11:14:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on February 18, 2023, 09:52:04 PM
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/c6264-european-union-planning-and-development-displaced-persons-from-ukraine-temporary-protection-regulations-2022/
Thanks
That's specific to Ukrainians fleeing the conflict
What about those seeking asylum or international protection?
Are they covered by the same or different laws?
Well the other nationalities seeking refugee status are dwarfed hugely by the Ukraine numbers so I'm curious as to why that is bothering you. Is it their skin colour you've the issue with? I suggest you do the research yourself, the laws are all online.
Who said it's bothering me
Did the govt pull a bait and switch and use the cover of that law to house people the law didn't apply to?
It a completely relevant and appropriate question to ask?
What if you owned a house next to one of these centers (housing male asylum seekers) and the value plummeted or you couldn't sell as a result
I live within 3 miles of 2 of them. I help integrate them into society by getting them involved in local sports. I don't give a shit what the value of my home is as it's my home and I don't intend to sell it. I don't measure the world by monetary value - I'm not a yank.
If you have questions about whether government is acting illegally address them to your local representative.
I gave you the law for Ukrainian refugees, it doesn't fit with your rascist bias so you're moving on to the black regugees now. So it's bothering you.
You're very hostile to legitimate questions.
If you paid a mortgage for 30 years and your house (which is your main or only asset) is worth 20 or 30% less than it was worth before, isn't it a logical question to ask?
What do you think of Eamonn Ryan's plan to increase the population of Ireland to 10M by increasing the numbers of migrants "en masse" ? I put a link up to the clip yesterday
Ryan doesn't have 'a plan' to increase the population. He stated that there would be a sharp increase in refugees and we would need to start planning for a significant population jump.
And he was 100% right
If they do nothing to discourage it, it amounts to a plan.
Seriously???
Immigrants coming here and destroying the place and. . . Oh wait!
https://twitter.com/VideosIrish/status/1627660941935484932?s=20
ex republican prisoners issue a statement that they are against the protest and dont align wih facists.
So what?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 02, 2023, 07:21:02 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on February 02, 2023, 07:01:56 PM
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Quote from: Kidder81 on February 02, 2023, 06:20:54 PM
So it's racist to have issues with uncontrolled immigration ? Gottit
Where is this "uncontrolled immigration"?
Non EU people have to have a visa to come here and a work permit to work here.
Others who seek International Protection have their cases examined and are deported if not entitled to it.
If only we could deport the 0.8% Nazi scum......
That's just the thing; they're not deported. Or barely ever. So there's your "uncontrolled".
How do you know how often they are deported?
A figure in the IT today put the rate of deportations of failed asylum seekers since 2018 at 7%. Impressive.
And the world keeps on turning, you'll still have food to eat, roof over your head and job every day to go to. Internet access and probably enjoy a pint or two..
Be very thankful you live in a place that has all things you take for granted
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Was he issued with a deportation order and then released from ICE custody and told to deport himself?
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Was he issued with a deportation order and then released from ICE custody and told to deport himself?
He's illegal he entered the country illegally, to live have a better life and moved from a 'safe' country.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Was he issued with a deportation order and then released from ICE custody and told to deport himself?
He's illegal he entered the country illegally, to live have a better life and moved from a 'safe' country.
So then he doesn't have an active deportation order issued against him!
Sounds like they need to catch up with those people.
Just like the numerous citizens wanted for various crimes, or drivers with no licenses.
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Was he issued with a deportation order and then released from ICE custody and told to deport himself?
He's illegal he entered the country illegally, to live have a better life and moved from a 'safe' country.
So then he doesn't have an active deportation order issued against him!
But ok to stay then? Good man
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:40:17 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Was he issued with a deportation order and then released from ICE custody and told to deport himself?
He's illegal he entered the country illegally, to live have a better life and moved from a 'safe' country.
So then he doesn't have an active deportation order issued against him!
But ok to stay then? Good man
Well I have said on here numerous times (when chatting with J70) that illegals who obey the law should be given amnesty.
And people who are ordered to be deported should be kicked out immediately
Illegals that obey the law (WTF) can get amnesty?
So all illegals here that are actually breaking the law can stay but those with a deportation order need to go?
I don't think the right wing nut jobs would go for that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2023, 07:47:12 AM
Illegals that obey the law (WTF) can get amnesty?
So all illegals here that are actually breaking the law can stay but those with a deportation order need to go?
I don't think the right wing nut jobs would go for that
It's the Irish American way of thinking. You see they were mostly illegal 1st. Then through honest to God hard work the built themselves a better life, yee haw. Never committed no crime, yee haw. God damn they deserve an amnesty.
Now those blacks coming into Ireland may be legal or illegal - but who cares. They mostly rapists, paedos and murderers anyway so should be shipped home. (Fire your pistols into the air )
In a nutshell.....
Irish law breakers in US are "undocumented" and should be supported by us all in their continued law breaking.
All foreigners, especially non white ones, in Ireland should be fkd out of the Country because .....they're foreign and non white.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:34:01 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 22, 2023, 11:31:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 22, 2023, 11:26:57 PM
https://midwestradio.ie/index.php/news/65854-almost-4-000-people-issued-with-deportation-orders-here-are-unaccounted-for
Absolute joke
Crazy!! I've said before I've a mate living in your country that's unaccounted for!
Will you give him up?
Was he issued with a deportation order and then released from ICE custody and told to deport himself?
He's illegal he entered the country illegally, to live have a better life and moved from a 'safe' country.
Sounds like a 'he's white so he's alright' argument
Quote from: Itchy on March 23, 2023, 08:42:08 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 23, 2023, 07:47:12 AM
Illegals that obey the law (WTF) can get amnesty?
So all illegals here that are actually breaking the law can stay but those with a deportation order need to go?
I don't think the right wing nut jobs would go for that
It's the Irish American way of thinking. You see they were mostly illegal 1st. Then through honest to God hard work the built themselves a better life, yee haw. Never committed no crime, yee haw. God damn they deserve an amnesty.
Now those blacks coming into Ireland may be legal or illegal - but who cares. They mostly rapists, paedos and murderers anyway so should be shipped home. (Fire your pistols into the air )
It's actually an extremely liberal view I hold on immigration
Seeings as it It would be virtually impossible to deport the 10s of millions of people who are here illegally, allow them to stay with a one time amnesty
Obviously deport those with serious criminal records
For the record, 90% + of the people I'm talking about giving amnesty to would not be white
There is the added complexity of birth right citizenship-babies born to undocumented persons are automatically citizens.....unlike Ireland which defeated an amendment to the constitution which would allow it.......racists!
https://www.refcom.ie/previous-referendums/irish-citizenship/
Some posters' heroes surpassing themselves in hatred
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2023/0324/1366231-fai-condemn-racist-abuse-aimed-at-ireland-u15-boys/
Eritrean national appears in court charged with sexually assaulting woman in Derry
https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/28/news/eritrean_national_appears_in_court_charged_with_sexually_assaulting_woman_in_derry-3168859/content.html
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 28, 2023, 03:44:45 PM
Eritrean national appears in court charged with sexually assaulting woman in Derry
https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/28/news/eritrean_national_appears_in_court_charged_with_sexually_assaulting_woman_in_derry-3168859/content.html
No matter what country you are in, (whether its Irish in oz or whatever) if you are found guilty of something like that you should be deported. Fleeing war/skin colour/religion is all irrelevant. History shows many of these individuals reoffend at a much more serious level.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:04:29 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 28, 2023, 03:44:45 PM
Eritrean national appears in court charged with sexually assaulting woman in Derry
https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/28/news/eritrean_national_appears_in_court_charged_with_sexually_assaulting_woman_in_derry-3168859/content.html
No matter what country you are in, (whether its Irish in oz or whatever) if you are found guilty of something like that you should be deported. Fleeing war/skin colour/religion is all irrelevant. History shows many of these individuals reoffend at a much more serious level.
Is that true? Like actually true, with evidence, rather than just something you heard someone say once?
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
That lad should be feed alive to starving boars.
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
They've tried to shoe-horn him into the 'right-wing' category: "a flag consistent with the Nazi regime". Honest to God! If it was a Nazi flag, they wouldn't qualify it like that! Having child porn isn't a 'right-wing' thing, either, and as for the decapitation and Christchurch shooting videos - sounds more like a voyeuristic nihilist that any sort of principled 'right-wing' actor. Just another left-wing news story attempting to subliminally discredit the right.
But, yes - we don't need him here.
Quote from: burdizzo on March 29, 2023, 11:25:21 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
They've tried to shoe-horn him into the 'right-wing' category: "a flag consistent with the Nazi regime". Honest to God! If it was a Nazi flag, they wouldn't qualify it like that! Having child porn isn't a 'right-wing' thing, either, and as for the decapitation and Christchurch shooting videos - sounds more like a voyeuristic nihilist that any sort of principled 'right-wing' actor. Just another left-wing news story attempting to subliminally discredit the right.
But, yes - we don't need him here.
Good f**king lord.
Quote from: gallsman on March 29, 2023, 09:58:40 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:04:29 AM
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 28, 2023, 03:44:45 PM
Eritrean national appears in court charged with sexually assaulting woman in Derry
https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/news/northernirelandnews/2023/03/28/news/eritrean_national_appears_in_court_charged_with_sexually_assaulting_woman_in_derry-3168859/content.html
No matter what country you are in, (whether its Irish in oz or whatever) if you are found guilty of something like that you should be deported. Fleeing war/skin colour/religion is all irrelevant. History shows many of these individuals reoffend at a much more serious level.
Is that true? Like actually true, with evidence, rather than just something you heard someone say once?
Yeah Andy was telling me once
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
Its a wonder we dont hear more about the influx of Brits to Ireland. They are close to being the biggest group, they can wander into Ireland with no documentation making them totally "unvetted". Could this be a miss by the far right? Or maybe given the Irish Far Right is run effectively by the British Far Right that we cant protest about this. Or maybe the Brits coming here are predominantly white and thats ok?
Quote from: Itchy on March 29, 2023, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
Its a wonder we dont hear more about the influx of Brits to Ireland. They are close to being the biggest group, they can wander into Ireland with no documentation making them totally "unvetted". Could this be a miss by the far right? Or maybe given the Irish Far Right is run effectively by the British Far Right that we cant protest about this. Or maybe the Brits coming here are predominantly white and thats ok?
Loads of them buying up houses down our way...
Where do I protest?
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2023, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 29, 2023, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
Its a wonder we dont hear more about the influx of Brits to Ireland. They are close to being the biggest group, they can wander into Ireland with no documentation making them totally "unvetted". Could this be a miss by the far right? Or maybe given the Irish Far Right is run effectively by the British Far Right that we cant protest about this. Or maybe the Brits coming here are predominantly white and thats ok?
Loads of them buying up houses down our way...
Where do I protest?
Jim Shannon's place, the cops won't annoy ya
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on March 29, 2023, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on March 29, 2023, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: Itchy on March 29, 2023, 03:42:15 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on March 29, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Another lovely foreigner...but I suppose being a right wing extremist and white male some here would think he's a better class of foreigner
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41104198.html
Its a wonder we dont hear more about the influx of Brits to Ireland. They are close to being the biggest group, they can wander into Ireland with no documentation making them totally "unvetted". Could this be a miss by the far right? Or maybe given the Irish Far Right is run effectively by the British Far Right that we cant protest about this. Or maybe the Brits coming here are predominantly white and thats ok?
Loads of them buying up houses down our way...
Where do I protest?
Jim Shannon's place, the cops won't annoy ya
Blind corner that, might get skelped by an Ulsterbus...
White Brits Out Now!!
The Times
Child migrants to have MRI scans to make sure they're not adults
Asylum seekers who claim to be children to avoid deportation to Rwanda will face X-ray and MRI scans to check their age under a strengthened assessment regime.
Separately, The Times has been told that there are no longer any unaccompanied child refugees living in hotels for the first time in more than two years. The last remaining unaccompanied children were moved out this week and moved into foster homes or under the provision of social care in local authorities.
At the peak, there were more than 400 unaccompanied children being put up in six hotels, despite the government making it unlawful to accommodate them in "unregulated accommodation" without a parent or guardian.
The Home Office is forming a National Age Assessment Board to resolve age disputes using 40 specialist social workers.
It aims to set a new national standard for age assessments and act as a centralised team for local authorities, providing expert advice and training to improve the consistency and quality of assessments.
The process is designed to prevent adults who claim to be children from being sent to school and children wrongly classified as being housed with adults.
Scientific methods to assess the age of asylum seekers who the Home Office or local authorities believe are over 18 will be rolled out over the coming weeks, The Times understands.
Ministers are hoping they will be ready by the time radical new measures in the Illegal Migration Bill become operational. The government hopes the bill, allowing for the indefinite detention of anyone who arrives in the UK illegally, will be on the statute book by the end of July, although it risks delay in the House of Lords.
The bill does not allow unaccompanied children to be deported to Rwanda, although the home secretary will be given the power to deport them once they turn 18.
Scientific advisers commissioned by the Home Office have approved the use in age assessments of MRI scans for knees and collar bones, and X-rays for wisdom teeth, wrists and hands.
Since that approval, published in January, the Home Office has been finalising the procedure for age checks they are expected to begin in the coming weeks.
Last year an Afghan asylum seeker murdered an aspiring Marine after entering the UK claiming to be a child. Lawangeen Abdulrahimzai told Home Office officials that he was 14 when he entered the UK and claimed asylum in 2019, when he was in fact 18. He was treated as a child and placed with a foster family. Three years later — in March 2022 — he murdered Roberts.
The Home Office said that 7,900 asylum cases where age was disputed and subsequently resolved between 2016 and 2022, half of them were later found to be adults.
However, a report by the Refugee Council last year found that 94 per cent of the 219 children in receipt of the charity's support in 2021 were wrongly classified as children by the Home Office.
The new national age assessment boards will be rolled-out in two regions — London and the West Midlands — before going nationally later this year once enough social workers have been recruited.
The board will be made up of 40 social workers, who will help local authorities and the Home Office resolve age disputes by conducting age assessments themselves.
They will carry out age assessments upon referral from local authorities or on behalf of the Home Office and use scientific methods once they are ready.
The Merton-compliant age assessments will use a mix of assessments, involving detailed background research and analysis of information and are fundamentally different from the initial, simple age assessments that are carried out when people arrive at the border.
Many people who arrive in the UK claiming asylum do not have evidence such as a passport to back up their age claim, making it difficult to assess their age.
One example included a man who crossed the Channel, claimed to be 16, immigration officers who carried out an initial age assessment and deemed him to be 21 but following a full assessment by the local authority, it transpired that he had claimed asylum and lived in another European country for five years and was actually 26 years-old.
Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister, said: "It's a sad fact that there have been cases of asylum-seeking adults pretending to be children to try and game the system, which presents a serious safeguarding risk.
"It is vital we use every tool at our disposal to weed out people falsely claiming to be children so we can prevent abuse of our services and protect children in the UK.
"That is why we are introducing the National Age Assessment Board to set the national standard and ensure assessments are as robust as possible, alongside our commitment to deliver scientific methods to assess age as soon as possible."
However, charities expressed concerns over the neutrality of social workers recruited to work directly for the Home Office.
Kama Petruczenko, of the Refugee Council, which supports many children in the asylum system, said: "We have serious concerns about the government's new approach to age assessments which will see social workers being employed directly by the Home Office, putting their independence into question.
"Protecting children is vital but the approach does nothing to address the very real risk of putting refugee children through dangerous and unsuitable adult processes and accommodation. We need to a stronger commitment from the Home Office to safeguard vulnerable children who are too often wrongly seen as adults."
dublin airport roundabout blocked again today 2nd week in a row
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2023, 06:14:33 PM
dublin airport roundabout blocked again today 2nd week in a row
Brilliant, love the energy they put into distributing things. Think how well that could be used if they were working. But rather make Cnuts of themselves
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2023, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2023, 06:14:33 PM
dublin airport roundabout blocked again today 2nd week in a row
Brilliant, love the energy they put into distributing things. Think how well that could be used if they were working. But rather make Cnuts of themselves
Guards must be tied up with assisting evictions otherwise they'd surely remove a handful of people from a public road, disrupting people going about their business?
Quote from: Itchy on April 03, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2023, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2023, 06:14:33 PM
dublin airport roundabout blocked again today 2nd week in a row
Brilliant, love the energy they put into distributing things. Think how well that could be used if they were working. But rather make Cnuts of themselves
Guards must be tied up with assisting evictions otherwise they'd surely remove a handful of people from a public road, disrupting people going about their business?
I assume they are allowing the far right make themselves unpopular. It's starting to fizzle out, numbers are way down from an already low base. But it does beg questions about the policing of other protests.
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on April 03, 2023, 10:40:34 AM
Quote from: Itchy on April 03, 2023, 07:28:50 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 02, 2023, 06:37:26 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on April 02, 2023, 06:14:33 PM
dublin airport roundabout blocked again today 2nd week in a row
Brilliant, love the energy they put into distributing things. Think how well that could be used if they were working. But rather make Cnuts of themselves
Guards must be tied up with assisting evictions otherwise they'd surely remove a handful of people from a public road, disrupting people going about their business?
I assume they are allowing the far right make themselves unpopular. It's starting to fizzle out, numbers are way down from an already low base. But it does beg questions about the policing of other protests.
Maybe the protesters can't get anymore time of work to attend.
Another gent from Afghanistan :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65216727
Limerick: Habib Shamel charged with Geila Ibram murder
A 26-year-old man has appeared at Belfast Magistrates' Court charged with stabbing a woman to death in the Republic of Ireland.
The body of 27-year-old Geila Ibram, who was originally from Romania, was found in an apartment block in Limerick city on Tuesday afternoon.
Habib Shamel was arrested in the Malone area of south Belfast on Thursday.
The court heard he was seen on CCTV on the morning of the murder arranging a "sexual exchange" with the victim.
Mr Shamel was then seen arriving at the victim's address at 13:28 local time, leaving just over a minute later.
The court was told that Mr Shamel stabbed Ms Ibram "numerous times in the neck, face and abdomen in a frenzied attack" during this time.
It is also heard that he injured his hand in the attack and attended hospital in Limerick.
He then left all his identification in Limerick and travelled north on a bus with a companion, the court was told.
'Dangerous human being'
It is understood Mr Shamel is an Afghani national who claimed asylum in the Republic of Ireland in October 2020.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) had been helping An Garda Síochána (the Irish police force) with the murder investigation.
A PSNI detective told the court Mr Shamel was a "volatile and dangerous human being, with a real danger of reoffending".
"Mr Shamel had no regard for human life and safety," the detective added.
Mr Shamel was charged under the Criminal Jurisdiction Act 1975, which allows the PSNI to prosecute in Northern Ireland if a suspect has fled from a different jurisdiction.
In denying bail, the judge said there was a "strong prosecution case" and Mr Shamel "was far too high a risk".
He will appear in court again via video link on 2 May.
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 06:41:53 PM
Another gent from Afghanistan :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65216727
Limerick: Habib Shamel charged with Geila Ibram murder
A 26-year-old man has appeared at Belfast Magistrates' Court charged with stabbing a woman to death in the Republic of Ireland.
The body of 27-year-old Geila Ibram, who was originally from Romania, was found in an apartment block in Limerick city on Tuesday afternoon.
Habib Shamel was arrested in the Malone area of south Belfast on Thursday.
The court heard he was seen on CCTV on the morning of the murder arranging a "sexual exchange" with the victim.
Mr Shamel was then seen arriving at the victim's address at 13:28 local time, leaving just over a minute later.
The court was told that Mr Shamel stabbed Ms Ibram "numerous times in the neck, face and abdomen in a frenzied attack" during this time.
It is also heard that he injured his hand in the attack and attended hospital in Limerick.
He then left all his identification in Limerick and travelled north on a bus with a companion, the court was told.
'Dangerous human being'
It is understood Mr Shamel is an Afghani national who claimed asylum in the Republic of Ireland in October 2020.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) had been helping An Garda Síochána (the Irish police force) with the murder investigation.
A PSNI detective told the court Mr Shamel was a "volatile and dangerous human being, with a real danger of reoffending".
"Mr Shamel had no regard for human life and safety," the detective added.
Mr Shamel was charged under the Criminal Jurisdiction Act 1975, which allows the PSNI to prosecute in Northern Ireland if a suspect has fled from a different jurisdiction.
In denying bail, the judge said there was a "strong prosecution case" and Mr Shamel "was far too high a risk".
He will appear in court again via video link on 2 May.
Thanks, I saw all the far right scum on twitter getting aroused sharing this. I see you are another one.
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
There have been thousands and thousands of murders in this island in the last 100 years. The vast majority were carried out by the indigenous population.
Happy Easter!
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 08, 2023, 09:08:50 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
There have been thousands and thousands of murders in this island in the last 100 years. The vast majority were carried out by the indigenous population.
Happy Easter!
Let's check the percentages in 10 years time 👍
Hundreds of Irish women murdered by Irishmen in the last 25 years alone.
But the fascist scum never notice that as it doesn't suit their bile spewing hate agenda.
My Pakistani next door neighbour hasn't killed his wife yet! Nearly 20 years but he's properly under the thumb
https://twitter.com/OurGameHQ/status/1644770330399965186?t=1boW0oumUMqppFNYeUbYbw&s=19
You from Tipp, Kidder81?
Zinger
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
The religion of peace (unless you are slashing a hooker to death)
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
I'm a dual citizen so it is my business
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:32:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
I'm a dual citizen so it is my business
Don't think so, you reside elsewhere, pay tax elsewhere. Don't they have some murders there you can blame foreigners for?
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:32:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
I'm a dual citizen so it is my business
Don't think so, you reside elsewhere, pay tax elsewhere. Don't they have some murders there you can blame foreigners for?
Is it blaming a foreigner when it is a foreigner that committed the murder ? That's a strange one
Are you saying this murder in Limerick wasn't by a foreigner ? You should speak to the Garda/PSNI as soon as possible
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:32:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
I'm a dual citizen so it is my business
Don't think so, you reside elsewhere, pay tax elsewhere. Don't they have some murders there you can blame foreigners for?
Very few, if any murders in my town
If mine, and my families safety is in danger when I visit it is my business
Whitey/Kidder fellow travellers at their hateful worst again
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41112613.html
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2023, 11:12:23 PM
Whitey/Kidder fellow travellers at their hateful worst again
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41112613.html
You're not wise
Quote from: Rossfan on April 08, 2023, 11:12:23 PM
Whitey/Kidder fellow travellers at their hateful worst again
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41112613.html
Am awfully shocked to hear that a doctor (or maybe he was an engineer) committed such as heinous act below in limerick
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:32:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
I'm a dual citizen so it is my business
Don't think so, you reside elsewhere, pay tax elsewhere. Don't they have some murders there you can blame foreigners for?
Very few, if any murders in my town
If mine, and my families safety is in danger when I visit it is my business
Sorry, I didn't realise you had family visiting sex workers in Limerick. It certainly is your business in that case.
Quote from: Itchy on April 09, 2023, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:47:45 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 10:32:48 PM
Quote from: Itchy on April 08, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
Quote from: whitey on April 08, 2023, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on April 08, 2023, 08:35:35 PM
Aroused ? Yet another example of taking people from a Stone Age culture to ours, beliefs, views on women (check out how women are treated in Afghanistan for a lol) etc and being surprised when something like this happens
Wonder if this was his first brush with the law?
If not, why wasn't he deported?
Edit
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-26-appears-in-belfast-court-accused-of-vicious-murder-of-geila-ibram-in-limerick/a1183254440.html
"He is religious and follows strict observances to each prayer time," said the lawyer.
Describing how Shamel prays at sunset and sunrise, cleanses himself after each prayer session and follows Ramadan fasting rules, "should he be confined into a prison setting, the prison service would not be able to fully facilitate his religious observances".
None of your business yank.
I'm a dual citizen so it is my business
Don't think so, you reside elsewhere, pay tax elsewhere. Don't they have some murders there you can blame foreigners for?
Very few, if any murders in my town
If mine, and my families safety is in danger when I visit it is my business
Sorry, I didn't realise you had family visiting sex workers in Limerick. It certainly is your business in that case.
Eh....okay....whatever you say
Quote from: clarshack on April 11, 2023, 09:12:26 AM
Video circulating of a lad getting chased and attacked by a gang of lovely chaps in Galway.
And?
Seen a video on twitter if a lad stabbing two people in Dublin. Wonder why that kid person hasn't picked up on it yet......
Missed the Kidder News Network posting about this
https://twitter.com/LiqaDr/status/1647996333083574273
Some of them saying it must be something the tenant did ::)
Quote from: clarshack on April 19, 2023, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on April 19, 2023, 02:11:15 PM
Some of them saying it must be something the tenant did ::)
It would be interesting to find out what would drive a man on a crutch to do that. Is there a full video?
Maybe he's just a greedy evil cnut on a crutch?
Boys be on crutches all the time to get DLA ;D
Nowt wrong with them
The right-wing nazi filth showing their true colours in Dublin last night and today.
Yawn. Be sure to wipe up that bile you drooled when you're finished; self-hatred is a messy business.
IF there was..... he should be dealt with by the Gardai and the Law.
There were 2 Dublin bucks jailed for their roles in a murder during the week.
Do the people of the other 31 Counties start attacking any Dubs who live there?
The slime like the "party" set up by Farage and fellow travellers are trying to spread their filthy message of hate.
I see our two resident nazis are still at large, pair of wankers.
Child sexual abuse probe 'obstructed' by asylum hotel staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66386310
Some highlights..... ??? ???
"Staff at a hotel for asylum seekers obstructed a police investigation into a report that a man masturbated in front of a seven-year-old child, the BBC has been told."
"In 2022, in an unrelated incident, a teenage boy was reported to have been raped by a man in his 30s at a different hotel for asylum seekers in east London run by the same company, Clearsprings Ready Homes."
"The BBC has also learned that a male was sexually assaulted at another hotel for asylum seekers in Staffordshire in December 2022."
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 03, 2023, 09:21:23 PM
Child sexual abuse probe 'obstructed' by asylum hotel staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66386310
Some highlights..... ??? ???
"Staff at a hotel for asylum seekers obstructed a police investigation into a report that a man masturbated in front of a seven-year-old child, the BBC has been told."
"In 2022, in an unrelated incident, a teenage boy was reported to have been raped by a man in his 30s at a different hotel for asylum seekers in east London run by the same company, Clearsprings Ready Homes."
"The BBC has also learned that a male was sexually assaulted at another hotel for asylum seekers in Staffordshire in December 2022."
Is this about the east wall Irelandisfull?
Meanwhile in the USA some disgusting behaviour from undocumented, unvetted etc etc migrant scum. I think we can all agree these should be sent home immediately
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/kerry/north-west-kerry-news/vicious-new-york-assault-involving-kerry-supporters-leaves-north-kerry-man-seriously-injured/a290087053.html
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2023, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 03, 2023, 09:21:23 PM
Child sexual abuse probe 'obstructed' by asylum hotel staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66386310
Some highlights..... ??? ???
"Staff at a hotel for asylum seekers obstructed a police investigation into a report that a man masturbated in front of a seven-year-old child, the BBC has been told."
"In 2022, in an unrelated incident, a teenage boy was reported to have been raped by a man in his 30s at a different hotel for asylum seekers in east London run by the same company, Clearsprings Ready Homes."
"The BBC has also learned that a male was sexually assaulted at another hotel for asylum seekers in Staffordshire in December 2022."
Is this about the east wall Irelandisfull?
All good lads I'm sure, aspiring doctors and architects
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 03, 2023, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2023, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 03, 2023, 09:21:23 PM
Child sexual abuse probe 'obstructed' by asylum hotel staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66386310
Some highlights..... ??? ???
"Staff at a hotel for asylum seekers obstructed a police investigation into a report that a man masturbated in front of a seven-year-old child, the BBC has been told."
"In 2022, in an unrelated incident, a teenage boy was reported to have been raped by a man in his 30s at a different hotel for asylum seekers in east London run by the same company, Clearsprings Ready Homes."
"The BBC has also learned that a male was sexually assaulted at another hotel for asylum seekers in Staffordshire in December 2022."
Is this about the east wall Irelandisfull?
All good lads I'm sure, aspiring doctors and architects
Hopefully the good lads (aspiring doctors ; )from east wall will be demonstrating in London
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on August 03, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 03, 2023, 10:02:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 03, 2023, 09:24:59 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 03, 2023, 09:21:23 PM
Child sexual abuse probe 'obstructed' by asylum hotel staff
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66386310
Some highlights..... ??? ???
"Staff at a hotel for asylum seekers obstructed a police investigation into a report that a man masturbated in front of a seven-year-old child, the BBC has been told."
"In 2022, in an unrelated incident, a teenage boy was reported to have been raped by a man in his 30s at a different hotel for asylum seekers in east London run by the same company, Clearsprings Ready Homes."
"The BBC has also learned that a male was sexually assaulted at another hotel for asylum seekers in Staffordshire in December 2022."
Is this about the east wall Irelandisfull?
All good lads I'm sure, aspiring doctors and architects
Nope, I'm pretty sure these particular ones are scumbags.
Cumbags, you mean.
Well done to the people of Limerick who stopped the nazifascist filth from invading the Library on Thursday last.
Well done to the bar which wouldn't serve them and the taxi(s) which wouldn't take them.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
It's a lovely morning. Take yourself out for a walk and leave Twitter for a day.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Any wonder only 0.8% vote for them ::)
Unfortunately people in some Countries aren't as intelligent as us.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
No danger of you being replaced?
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
The worlds moved on, move on with it, you're fighting an imaginary battle, you are here for a very short while, enjoy your time.
Being angry that some people want to live here is a waste of energy
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
The worlds moved on, move on with it, you're fighting an imaginary battle, you are here for a very short while, enjoy your time.
Being angry that some people want to live here is a waste of energy
Don't worry, I am enjoying my time. However, I'd also like my descendants to be in a good position to enjoy theirs. There is a tomorrow, too - if we don't throw it away.
Oh look, the racists learnt a big word. It must mean they were right all along
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Oh look, the racists learnt a big word. It must mean they were right all along
Big words? I don't see any big words in the last few posts. You, on the other hand, should learn to punctuate before casting aspersions on others' use of the English language. Comprendo?
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Oh look, the racists learnt a big word. It must mean they were right all along
Big words? I don't see any big words in the last few posts. You, on the other hand, should learn to punctuate before casting aspersions on others' use of the English language. Comprendo?
Careful, you could get thrown out of the country by brain dead rascist wankers for using a foreign word like that.
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Oh look, the racists learnt a big word. It must mean they were right all along
Big words? I don't see any big words in the last few posts. You, on the other hand, should learn to punctuate before casting aspersions on others' use of the English language. Comprendo?
Careful, you could get thrown out of the country by brain dead rascist wankers for using a foreign word like that.
Ha ha! Oh God - you crack me up!! What, pray tell, is a "rascist"!!! Hah hah! Big words, eh? You can't even grapple with the little ones. Hah!
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
The worlds moved on, move on with it, you're fighting an imaginary battle, you are here for a very short while, enjoy your time.
Being angry that some people want to live here is a waste of energy
Don't worry, I am enjoying my time. However, I'd also like my descendants to be in a good position to enjoy theirs. There is a tomorrow, too - if we don't throw it away.
Your kids must be proud
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
The worlds moved on, move on with it, you're fighting an imaginary battle, you are here for a very short while, enjoy your time.
Being angry that some people want to live here is a waste of energy
Don't worry, I am enjoying my time. However, I'd also like my descendants to be in a good position to enjoy theirs. There is a tomorrow, too - if we don't throw it away.
Your kids must be proud
Thank you.
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
You should join a lodge.
It is believed that the most likely first settlers on the island of Ireland originated from Spain
said the hunter-gatherer Irish not only had dark skin, but also bright blue eyes – a combination rarely seen today.
Sorry to disappoint lol
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Would you prefer the place to be white and Christian?
Yeah. What's wrong with that??
The worlds moved on, move on with it, you're fighting an imaginary battle, you are here for a very short while, enjoy your time.
Being angry that some people want to live here is a waste of energy
Where you'd spend your leisure time at the football, pub etc etc, you know your hobbies, well these pair's(Baile and Angelo's latest incarnation) hobby is hating and peddling hate, it's all consuming. They're like the half dozen middle aged sad sacks who organised the anti imm, sorry racist march in Buncrana lately. Locals out in good numbers to look at these lunatics with bemusement. Imagine hating on another human due to their colour, it really is mind blowing
And some of them claim to be Christians !!
If that brown skinned middle Easterner came around today preaching love and tolerance to all he'd get short shrift from those self declared Christians who wouldn't be long in burning him out!
I hear there's a few of them crashing a boat up Lough Derg in
some sort of protest against LGBT people or books that mention them...
So, no one from the LGBT community, no dark skin people, no atheists, no refugees, and no Muslims..
Probably no nordies ;D
I really struggle to understand the stance, you'd have to be a complete fuckwit to think you or your descendants will be worse off, if you are poorly off at the minute or in the future that's on you, not someone that's fleeing a war torn country or someone coming here to make a better life for themselves.
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So, no one from the LGBT community, no dark skin people, no atheists, no refugees, and no Muslims..
Probably no nordies ;D
I really struggle to understand the stance, you'd have to be a complete fuckwit to think you or your descendants will be worse off, if you are poorly off at the minute or in the future that's on you, not someone that's fleeing a war torn country or someone coming here to make a better life for themselves.
And I bet they "know" the religion of the people who own the media and are behind the great replacement!!
They "know" everything, just like their predecessors Hitler, Himmler, Goering , Goebels etc etc
I find their obsession with Paedophiles strange too and the idea that they are protectors of Irish women. The funniest thing is their welcoming of rascist English people into their ranks, in fact I would say most of their social media presence are English people pretending to be irish. Sad little people.
It is alleged that one of their "children protectors" in the South of the Country is a child abuser.
Another has a foreign wife....
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So, no one from the LGBT community, no dark skin people, no atheists, no refugees, and no Muslims..
Probably no nordies ;D
I really struggle to understand the stance, you'd have to be a complete fuckwit to think you or your descendants will be worse off, if you are poorly off at the minute or in the future that's on you, not someone that's fleeing a war torn country or someone coming here to make a better life for themselves.
Right, so the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland were better off under Protestant rule? Fine. And Irish people would be better off as a minority under Muslim rule? Cool. Scoff all you want, but it is a possibility in the future. "Ah shure, I'll be dead then anyway!". Puh. How apathetic and nihilistic! Why would even want to leave that legacy? And, besides all that - why would you want your children to be merely 'equal' to anyone from the rest of the world who decides they want to come and live here? Would you not like for them to have a head-start? Is the concept of nationality meaningless to you?
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So, no one from the LGBT community, no dark skin people, no atheists, no refugees, and no Muslims..
Probably no nordies ;D
I really struggle to understand the stance, you'd have to be a complete fuckwit to think you or your descendants will be worse off, if you are poorly off at the minute or in the future that's on you, not someone that's fleeing a war torn country or someone coming here to make a better life for themselves.
Right, so the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland were better off under Protestant rule? Fine. And Irish people would be better off as a minority under Muslim rule? Cool. Scoff all you want, but it is a possibility in the future. "Ah shure, I'll be dead then anyway!". Puh. How apathetic and nihilistic! Why would even want to leave that legacy? And, besides all that - why would you want your children to be merely 'equal' to anyone from the rest of the world who decides they want to come and live here? Would you not like for them to have a head-start? Is the concept of nationality meaningless to you?
Wow. What drivel you come out with. If you are concerned about the survival of Christianity your enemy isn't Muslims, your enemy cones from within Christianity who has managed to turn off huge swathes of young people. Your blathering about nationality is bizarre. You can be Muslim and Irish (Sinead O Connor) you can be black and Irish (Paul McGrath, Phil Lynott). Rascist scum like you do not get to define what being Irish is.
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So, no one from the LGBT community, no dark skin people, no atheists, no refugees, and no Muslims..
Probably no nordies ;D
I really struggle to understand the stance, you'd have to be a complete fuckwit to think you or your descendants will be worse off, if you are poorly off at the minute or in the future that's on you, not someone that's fleeing a war torn country or someone coming here to make a better life for themselves.
Right, so the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland were better off under Protestant rule? Fine. And Irish people would be better off as a minority under Muslim rule? Cool. Scoff all you want, but it is a possibility in the future. "Ah shure, I'll be dead then anyway!". Puh. How apathetic and nihilistic! Why would even want to leave that legacy? And, besides all that - why would you want your children to be merely 'equal' to anyone from the rest of the world who decides they want to come and live here? Would you not like for them to have a head-start? Is the concept of nationality meaningless to you?
My kids have a better head start than someone coming over on a dingy my kids kids will still have a better start on those kids of parents that came here on a dingy, if they don't that's on them, if someone works hard they deserve the breaks.
You are in looney toons if you think all our descendants will be wearing burkas, but when your brain is the size of a pea you'll believe anything
these so called irish patriots claim to be christian but identify with man made labels they would not know true mystical chrisitianity if it slapped them in the face.
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So, no one from the LGBT community, no dark skin people, no atheists, no refugees, and no Muslims..
Probably no nordies ;D
I really struggle to understand the stance, you'd have to be a complete fuckwit to think you or your descendants will be worse off, if you are poorly off at the minute or in the future that's on you, not someone that's fleeing a war torn country or someone coming here to make a better life for themselves.
Right, so the Catholic minority in Northern Ireland were better off under Protestant rule? Fine. And Irish people would be better off as a minority under Muslim rule? Cool. Scoff all you want, but it is a possibility in the future. "Ah shure, I'll be dead then anyway!". Puh. How apathetic and nihilistic! Why would even want to leave that legacy? And, besides all that - why would you want your children to be merely 'equal' to anyone from the rest of the world who decides they want to come and live here? Would you not like for them to have a head-start? Is the concept of nationality meaningless to you?
What's that meme tagline... "they walk among us". Give your head a shake ffs
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Unfortunately for you I did look at the census figures. Between 2016 and 2022 there are an extra 112,000 "white Irish".
It seems the "great replacement" isn't really very effective... is it? ::)
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Unfortunately for you I did look at the census figures. Between 2016 and 2022 there are an extra 112,000 "white Irish".
It seems the "great replacement" isn't really very effective... is it? ::)
Don't come at these people with facts haha
Never mind the Muslims what about the lizard people? We were told they were coming too.
(This reminds me of some shit that came out recently about a grand nationalist plan to get educated. It's like we all got together and said yeah we'll get degrees all the Muslims across the world must have a communication mechanism where they tell people they've never met to come to Ireland for the big takeover).
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Unfortunately for you I did look at the census figures. Between 2016 and 2022 there are an extra 112,000 "white Irish".
It seems the "great replacement" isn't really very effective... is it? ::)
Not unfortunate for me, at all. The total population went up by way, way more than that. In fact, by well over 400,000. Only 3/4 of the total population is white Irish (77% to be exact), so imagine what it'll be in another, say, 20 years. Your twisting of this statistic is downright dishonest. But what would I expect? "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
RedHand88 and tonto1888? Funny...
So in 20 years Ireland will be Muslim?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2023, 11:32:34 PM
So in 20 years Ireland will be Muslim?
That's not what I said, as you well know. And you insinuated that it was ME who had a brain the size of a pea?!
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Roderick O Gorman is the main man in Ireland driving on mass migration into Ireland.
The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Miscegenation, FFS. Get out of your Ma's spare bedroom and take a shower. Girls not wanting to go out with you is not a grand conspiracy.
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Who is being replaced and where? Where is the evidence of this?
Eh? Irish people are being replaced by non-Irish. The evidence is in the censuses, and before your eyes.
Unfortunately for you I did look at the census figures. Between 2016 and 2022 there are an extra 112,000 "white Irish".
It seems the "great replacement" isn't really very effective... is it? ::)
Not unfortunate for me, at all. The total population went up by way, way more than that. In fact, by well over 400,000. Only 3/4 of the total population is white Irish (77% to be exact), so imagine what it'll be in another, say, 20 years. Your twisting of this statistic is downright dishonest. But what would I expect? "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."
RedHand88 and tonto1888? Funny...
I'm twisting nothing you absolute dose of dung. The white population is growing in Ireland yet you are trying to push this lie that somehow whites are "being replaced".
Ffs listen to yourself.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 06, 2023, 11:32:34 PM
So in 20 years Ireland will be Muslim?
That's not what I said, as you well know. And you insinuated that it was ME who had a brain the size of a pea?!
Ok, humour me, in twenty years time what will happen?
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The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Quote from: burdizzo on August 06, 2023, 10:43:53 AM
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Don't dip into this thread all that often, but f**k me, it's a sad reminder that brainless hate filled racists really do walk among us in significant numbers.
Nobody gets "replaced". The word is meaningless. We live, we choose our partners, we die. If our children are healthy and happy that's all that matters. There is nothing worse in this world than a sick child. The colour of their skin is the very last thing anyone should worry about. The blood flowing through our descendants veins will be the same family blood we have, skin colour will make absolutely no change to that. We're too bloody white anyway, burn far too quickly.
Quote from: Look-Up! on August 07, 2023, 02:38:30 PM
Nobody gets "replaced". The word is meaningless. We live, we choose our partners, we die. If our children are healthy and happy that's all that matters. There is nothing worse in this world than a sick child. The colour of their skin is the very last thing anyone should worry about. The blood flowing through our descendants veins will be the same family blood we have, skin colour will make absolutely no change to that. We're too bloody white anyway, burn far too quickly.
It is a pity some people can't be replaced mind you.
I didn't think Gaels could be racist, but I used to think Irish people couldn't also.
Quote from: theticklemister on August 07, 2023, 06:03:45 PM
I didn't think Gaels could be racist, but I used to think Irish people couldn't also.
There's a pile of them on Twitter, self-styled Irish "Nationalists".
Despite having very little to no Irish, not being involved or having any knowledge of things like GAA, comhaltas etc, they let on to be Uber-Gaels and tend to have someone like Padraig Pearse as their profile picture.
They all like to stay anonymous, because right-wing fascists and racists haven't the balls to say what they think publicly.
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Quote from: theticklemister on August 07, 2023, 06:03:45 PM
I didn't think Gaels could be racist, but I used to think Irish people couldn't also.
There's a pile of them on Twitter, self-styled Irish "Nationalists".
Despite having very little to no Irish, not being involved or having any knowledge of things like GAA, comhaltas etc, they let on to be Uber-Gaels and tend to have someone like Padraig Pearse as their profile picture.
They all like to stay anonymous, because right-wing fascists and racists haven't the balls to say what they think publicly.
A few on here too, no different than their fellow travellers in Carrickfergus, only the symbols are different.
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The end game is to get rid of Christianity and the white indigenous people. Through miscegenation and replacement.
Quote from: burdizzo on August 06, 2023, 10:43:53 AM
Ha ha! Oh, you nihilistic 'liberals'; so easily convulsed! It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, but the replacement is happening, all right. Mind you, miscegenation is being pushed quite hard in the media and advertising world - every second 'typical Irish couple' seems to be mixed race - so you do sometimes wonder who's behind it all...
Don't dip into this thread all that often, but f**k me, it's a sad reminder that brainless hate filled racists really do walk among us in significant numbers.
Indeed.
You go on holiday for a couple of weeks and come back to see this type of hysterical nonsense being pushed on the board.
I mean, "miscegenation " FFS!
Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 07, 2023, 06:03:45 PM
I didn't think Gaels could be racist, but I used to think Irish people couldn't also.
There's a pile of them on Twitter, self-styled Irish "Nationalists".
Despite having very little to no Irish, not being involved or having any knowledge of things like GAA, comhaltas etc, they let on to be Uber-Gaels and tend to have someone like Padraig Pearse as their profile picture.
They all like to stay anonymous, because right-wing fascists and racists haven't the balls to say what they think publicly.
Very many of those posters on twitter are English neo nazis. If you look closely the mask drops as they clearly dont know a thing about Ireland.
Things like "Irish Nationalists" and "Ulster Nationalists" need to Co operate in the fight against blah blah and of course use of the word "Eire"
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Quote from: general_lee on August 07, 2023, 09:33:03 PM
Quote from: theticklemister on August 07, 2023, 06:03:45 PM
I didn't think Gaels could be racist, but I used to think Irish people couldn't also.
There's a pile of them on Twitter, self-styled Irish "Nationalists".
Despite having very little to no Irish, not being involved or having any knowledge of things like GAA, comhaltas etc, they let on to be Uber-Gaels and tend to have someone like Padraig Pearse as their profile picture.
They all like to stay anonymous, because right-wing fascists and racists haven't the balls to say what they think publicly.
Very many of those posters on twitter are English neo nazis. If you look closely the mask drops as they clearly dont know a thing about Ireland.
I had a run-in with one from Newry direction. Big Man Utd man he was, though hadn't a clue about anything GAA-related. Definitely a local though, a stupid one at that.
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
Not in favour of that and that is not what we have currently in Ireland. But you knew that already.
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
How's the closed border thingy working in the states over the years?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 01:58:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
How's the closed border thingy working in the states over the years?
What are you talking about?
We have tens of millions of undocumented people in the country
We currently have a defacto open borders policy in place
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:09:31 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 01:58:07 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
How's the closed border thingy working in the states over the years?
What are you talking about?
We have tens of millions of undocumented people in the country
We currently have a defacto open borders policy in place
Glad to see you refer to the US as "we". Thats a good 1st step.
You have a closed border that you cant police. Thats different than an "open border"
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
Not in favour of that and that is not what we have currently in Ireland. But you knew that already.
Of course he did.
Trying to deflect from the bashing his soul mates have been getting here.
North Korea has closed borders. Wonder would our 0.8% ever feck off there?
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Great-so you don't support open borders nor do you support a political party that (to the best of your knowledge) advocates for open borders
With that in mind, what restrictions or limits or guidelines should Ireland adopt when it comes to managing immigration?
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Mind you DUPUDA were hoping for one border to be closed/sealed as part of the brexit fantasy😉.
Does the yankrhubarb think our State's only border should be closed?
" Open borders" is another of the fascists' buzz phrases, along with "the great replacement" "white genocide" "islamisation", "unvetted men of military age" and so on.
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Great-so you don't support open borders nor do you support a political party that (to the best of your knowledge) advocates for open borders
With that in mind, what restrictions or limits or guidelines should Ireland adopt when it comes to managing immigration?
I answered your question now why don't you answer mine before we go further, which party in Ireland supports "open borders" (per your definition of same)? You implied in your post there was at least one.
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 03:19:28 PM
I answered your question now why don't you answer mine before we go further, which party in Ireland supports "open borders" (per your definition of same)? You implied in your post there was at least one.
Which party does not support the right of an unlimited number of people to come to Ireland at their own behest?
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Great-so you don't support open borders nor do you support a political party that (to the best of your knowledge) advocates for open borders
With that in mind, what restrictions or limits or guidelines should Ireland adopt when it comes to managing immigration?
I answered your question now why don't you answer mine before we go further, which party in Ireland supports "open borders" (per your definition of same)? You implied in your post there was at least one.
https://www.pbp.ie/policies/racism-and-immigration-policy/
https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2015/SF_10_point_plan_on_refugee_crisis.pdf
"1) Ireland should commit to taking one refugee per every 1,000 of our population
This would see Ireland take approximately 4,500-5,000 refugees this year.
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it. We must not only do our fair share, but more than our fair share given our own emigrant history."
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
Do you want border posts back in south Armagh?
Quote from: general_lee on August 08, 2023, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 01:52:49 PM
Just out of curiosity for the posters on this topic-are you in favor of "open borders"?
My definition of open borders is unlimited in migration
Do you want border posts back in south Armagh?
Stay on topic please
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Great-so you don't support open borders nor do you support a political party that (to the best of your knowledge) advocates for open borders
With that in mind, what restrictions or limits or guidelines should Ireland adopt when it comes to managing immigration?
I answered your question now why don't you answer mine before we go further, which party in Ireland supports "open borders" (per your definition of same)? You implied in your post there was at least one.
https://www.pbp.ie/policies/racism-and-immigration-policy/
https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2015/SF_10_point_plan_on_refugee_crisis.pdf
"1) Ireland should commit to taking one refugee per every 1,000 of our population
This would see Ireland take approximately 4,500-5,000 refugees this year. It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it. We must not only do our fair share, but more than our fair share given our own emigrant history."
Fail. That is relating to refugees in SF case and relating to people already here in PBP case. Muddying the water again because you haven't a clue. Nowhere in that does it say anything about open borders. So would you now like to admit that no party in Ireland supports open borders per your definition of it.
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Great-so you don't support open borders nor do you support a political party that (to the best of your knowledge) advocates for open borders
With that in mind, what restrictions or limits or guidelines should Ireland adopt when it comes to managing immigration?
I answered your question now why don't you answer mine before we go further, which party in Ireland supports "open borders" (per your definition of same)? You implied in your post there was at least one.
https://www.pbp.ie/policies/racism-and-immigration-policy/
https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2015/SF_10_point_plan_on_refugee_crisis.pdf
"1) Ireland should commit to taking one refugee per every 1,000 of our population
This would see Ireland take approximately 4,500-5,000 refugees this year. It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it. We must not only do our fair share, but more than our fair share given our own emigrant history."
Fail. That is relating to refugees in SF case and relating to people already here in PBP case. Muddying the water again because you haven't a clue. Nowhere in that does it say anything about open borders. So would you now like to admit that no party in Ireland supports open borders per your definition of it.
Believe whatever you want
No cap on "refugees" (including fake ones) by Sinn Fein and immediate cessation of deportations by PBP-including people I would assume who arrive without identification and who otherwise enter the country illegally
So should there be a cap on refugees/fake refugees? Yes or no
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 05:36:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 05:28:09 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 03:19:28 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 08, 2023, 02:25:57 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 02:15:49 PM
Great pivot to change the subject because you know I'm right
How many posters on this topic support open borders or support political parties that support open borders?
I'd be happy to discuss US immigration policy on the US politics thread
There is no party in Ireland that I am aware of that has "open borders" (as you define it) as part of their manifesto. Would you care to name one that does or do I have to go to a different thread?
Great-so you don't support open borders nor do you support a political party that (to the best of your knowledge) advocates for open borders
With that in mind, what restrictions or limits or guidelines should Ireland adopt when it comes to managing immigration?
I answered your question now why don't you answer mine before we go further, which party in Ireland supports "open borders" (per your definition of same)? You implied in your post there was at least one.
https://www.pbp.ie/policies/racism-and-immigration-policy/
https://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2015/SF_10_point_plan_on_refugee_crisis.pdf
"1) Ireland should commit to taking one refugee per every 1,000 of our population
This would see Ireland take approximately 4,500-5,000 refugees this year. It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it. We must not only do our fair share, but more than our fair share given our own emigrant history."
Fail. That is relating to refugees in SF case and relating to people already here in PBP case. Muddying the water again because you haven't a clue. Nowhere in that does it say anything about open borders. So would you now like to admit that no party in Ireland supports open borders per your definition of it.
Believe whatever you want
No cap on "refugees" (including fake ones) by Sinn Fein and immediate cessation of deportations by PBP-including people I would assume who arrive without identification and who otherwise enter the country illegally
So should there be a cap on refugees/fake refugees? Yes or no
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Are you saying both these parties support open borders per your definition. You don't get anymore answers till you actually answer one yourself. But like all rascists fact are alien to you. Such a hypocrite too, at least the other racists on here crying about migrants aren't actually a migrant themselves like you
I did answer, but the facts aren't to your liking
PBP want to end ALL deportations and Sinn Fein want no caps on refugees (including fake ones)
I'm sure the Green Party has some similar stances, but I haven't had the time to do a deep dive
So if 2,000,000 "refugees" presented themselves tomorrow, should they all be allowed in
Should fraudulent or criminal asylum applicants be deported?
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
I did answer, but the facts aren't to your liking
PBP want to end ALL deportations and Sinn Fein want no caps on refugees (including fake ones)
I'm sure the Green Party has some similar stances, but I haven't had the time to do a deep dive
So if 2,000,000 "refugees" presented themselves tomorrow, should they all be allowed in
Should fraudulent or criminal asylum applicants be deported?
2 million ;D ;D That's your best? FFS lad go back to bed or school for that matter. Hopefully your parents didn't bring you up like that, otherwise you've left behind another bunch of racists
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
I did answer, but the facts aren't to your liking
PBP want to end ALL deportations and Sinn Fein want no caps on refugees (including fake ones)
I'm sure the Green Party has some similar stances, but I haven't had the time to do a deep dive
So if 2,000,000 "refugees" presented themselves tomorrow, should they all be allowed in
Should fraudulent or criminal asylum applicants be deported?
2 million ;D ;D That's your best? FFS lad go back to bed or school for that matter. Hopefully your parents didn't bring you up like that, otherwise you've left behind another bunch of racists
So if 2000000 is the wrong number, what's the right number?
Sinn Fein used to have a "guide" of 4-5000 refugees per year?
Was that a racist position for them to hold?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
I did answer, but the facts aren't to your liking
PBP want to end ALL deportations and Sinn Fein want no caps on refugees (including fake ones)
I'm sure the Green Party has some similar stances, but I haven't had the time to do a deep dive
So if 2,000,000 "refugees" presented themselves tomorrow, should they all be allowed in
Should fraudulent or criminal asylum applicants be deported?
2 million ;D ;D That's your best? FFS lad go back to bed or school for that matter. Hopefully your parents didn't bring you up like that, otherwise you've left behind another bunch of racists
17,800 applications for refugees status approved 1/4/22 to 31/3/23.
A bit short of rhubarbyank's 2 million🤣
Quote from: Rossfan on August 08, 2023, 06:38:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 06:01:27 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 05:49:02 PM
I did answer, but the facts aren't to your liking
PBP want to end ALL deportations and Sinn Fein want no caps on refugees (including fake ones)
I'm sure the Green Party has some similar stances, but I haven't had the time to do a deep dive
So if 2,000,000 "refugees" presented themselves tomorrow, should they all be allowed in
Should fraudulent or criminal asylum applicants be deported?
2 million ;D ;D That's your best? FFS lad go back to bed or school for that matter. Hopefully your parents didn't bring you up like that, otherwise you've left behind another bunch of racists
17,800 applications for refugees status approved 1/4/22 to 31/3/23.
A bit short of rhubarbyank's 2 million🤣
Wow! You really didn't get the question, did you?! Or just chose to fudge in an attempt to avoid dealing with it? As per usual. Yawn.
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for Social Democrats
I've heard it all now
(Edited)
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvPGZBPoxWJ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D (https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvPGZBPoxWJ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D)
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https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 08, 2023, 11:28:42 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvPGZBPoxWJ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D (https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvPGZBPoxWJ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA%3D%3D)
You'll get a ban for putting up images/video of whitey ffs!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
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Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Not trying to be funny in the least
What do you think about a candidate for a far left wing party committing immigration fraud?
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
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Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Not trying to be funny in the least
What do you think about a candidate for a far left wing party committing immigration fraud?
Anyone committing fraud should be dealt with, why wouldn't they? No one should be above the law.
You agree with that don't you?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2023, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Not trying to be funny in the least
What do you think about a candidate for a far left wing party committing immigration fraud?
Anyone committing fraud should be dealt with, why wouldn't they? No one should be above the law.
You agree with that don't you?
Agree 100 %
So instead of demanding that person be prosecuted or deported the Social Democrats actually put such a person up for election. Boggles the mind
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2023, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Not trying to be funny in the least
What do you think about a candidate for a far left wing party committing immigration fraud?
Anyone committing fraud should be dealt with, why wouldn't they? No one should be above the law.
You agree with that don't you?
Agree 100 %
So instead of demanding that person be prosecuted or deported the Social Democrats actually put such a person up for election. Boggles the mind
Eh? Did they know? In that article you put up people resigned?
But glad to know your stance on fraud, be interesting to hear it change in the next few weeks :D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2023, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 09:01:57 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2023, 08:05:06 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 12:44:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:22:04 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Not trying to be funny in the least
What do you think about a candidate for a far left wing party committing immigration fraud?
Anyone committing fraud should be dealt with, why wouldn't they? No one should be above the law.
You agree with that don't you?
Agree 100 %
So instead of demanding that person be prosecuted or deported the Social Democrats actually put such a person up for election. Boggles the mind
Eh? Did they know? In that article you put up people resigned?
But glad to know your stance on fraud, be interesting to hear it change in the next few weeks :D
They resigned because they were against even holding a review of her candidacy
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/two-social-democrats-board-members-resign-over-kisyombe-controversy-1.3803560
"The party conducted an independent review, and she was allowed to continue her election campaign"
(From Wikipedia).
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 09, 2023, 09:15:25 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 09:01:57 AM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2023, 11:30:49 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:25:44 PM
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Quote from: whitey on August 08, 2023, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irishvoice/ireland-asylum-seeker-debate-heats-up.amp
LOL
People committing immigration fraud running as candidates for PBP
I've heard it all now
PBP or social democrats?
My mistake-I'll edit original pist
If you're going to try and be funny don't make yourself look like a dick first!
Not trying to be funny in the least
What do you think about a candidate for a far left wing party committing immigration fraud?
Anyone committing fraud should be dealt with, why wouldn't they? No one should be above the law.
You agree with that don't you?
Agree 100 %
So instead of demanding that person be prosecuted or deported the Social Democrats actually put such a person up for election. Boggles the mind
Eh? Did they know? In that article you put up people resigned?
But glad to know your stance on fraud, be interesting to hear it change in the next few weeks :D
They resigned because they were against even holding a review of her candidacy
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/two-social-democrats-board-members-resign-over-kisyombe-controversy-1.3803560
"The party conducted an independent review, and she was allowed to continue her election campaign"
(From Wikipedia).
Why do you even care, you refer to the USA as "we" so I assume you are well and truly engulfed into the USA now - good for you. I couldnt give a shit myself what people in that shithole are doing so curious as to why you care about who the Social Democrats put up for election. You were an illegal immigrant I imagine at some point (maybe you still are) and I assume you are contributing in the US now. Why do you care that a person from another country might take the same route as you did but this time in Ireland?
Very touchy aren't you
And no-I was fortunate to win a green card in the lottery so I have been legal since day 1
So when people like me, dual citizens of Ireland and the United States, point out some basic truths about the insanity of what's going on in Ireland as it pertains to the open borders policies being advanced by several left wing parties , all of a sudden were racists and Nazis and cvnts of various descriptions.
The reason I give a $hit is that I intend on retiring back there. I've been in Ireland 3 times already this year and see what's going on, and the country is well and truly shagged if this continues
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Very touchy aren't you
And no-I was fortunate to win a green card in the lottery so I have been legal since day 1
So when people like me, dual citizens of Ireland and the United States, point out some basic truths about the insanity of what's going on in Ireland as it pertains to the open borders policies being advanced by several left wing parties , all of a sudden were racists and Nazis and cvnts of various descriptions.
The reason I give a $hit is that I intend on retiring back there. I've been in Ireland 3 times already this year and see what's going on, and the country is well and truly shagged if this continues
Well you have the option to stay in the country you live in so if Ireland is so bad, we will try and get on without you. I have been in Ireland for around 210 days this year, and I can tell you the country is not shagged and the issues we do have are nothing to do with immigrants or refugees. Of course you probably know way more being here a massive 3 times. The shite you write about open borders being advanced is just total and utter lies from a person who has clearly a racist bias from day one. We all see you whitey and your kind and you will not win.
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Very touchy aren't you
And no-I was fortunate to win a green card in the lottery so I have been legal since day 1
So when people like me, dual citizens of Ireland and the United States, point out some basic truths about the insanity of what's going on in Ireland as it pertains to the open borders policies being advanced by several left wing parties , all of a sudden were racists and Nazis and cvnts of various descriptions.
The reason I give a $hit is that I intend on retiring back there. I've been in Ireland 3 times already this year and see what's going on, and the country is well and truly shagged if this continues
I'm not sure, is it 70's standard living? Having grown up here and worked here all my life, my personal experience has been great, never unemployed, decent education, any medical issues seen too (2 cancer treatments in my family) loads of opportunities to get ahead in life, I'm not sure of the place where you come back to but sounds like a lot of people feeling sorry about themselves and looking to get more off the government instead of working for it!
I'm not sure it's of the standard of living we see in the states were the streets are filled with gold but hey ho
Good Lord
It's not that hard boys and girls. You don't have to twist yourselves into knots trying to change the subject
Are you in favor of open borders/unlimited inward migration? Yes or no?
If your answer is yes-fair enough
If your answer is no-what should the limit be?
We need to stop Yanks coming here, they all murder schoolchildren.
https://www.newstalk.com/news/three-in-four-believe-ireland-is-taking-too-many-refugees-1469597
Just out of curiosity are the 75% quoted in this poll racists/bigots?
Whitey still peddling that 4 year old story from Irish Central that was proved to be incorrect
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Very touchy aren't you
And no-I was fortunate to win a green card in the lottery so I have been legal since day 1
So when people like me, dual citizens of Ireland and the United States, point out some basic truths about the insanity of what's going on in Ireland as it pertains to the open borders policies being advanced by several left wing parties , all of a sudden were racists and Nazis and cvnts of various descriptions.
The reason I give a $hit is that I intend on retiring back there. I've been in Ireland 3 times already this year and see what's going on, and the country is well and truly shagged if this continues
That's been known many many post ago 'whitey'
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Very touchy aren't you
And no-I was fortunate to win a green card in the lottery so I have been legal since day 1
So when people like me, dual citizens of Ireland and the United States, point out some basic truths about the insanity of what's going on in Ireland as it pertains to the open borders policies being advanced by several left wing parties , all of a sudden were racists and Nazis and cvnts of various descriptions.
The reason I give a $hit is that I intend on retiring back there. I've been in Ireland 3 times already this year and see what's going on, and the country is well and truly shagged if this continues
What is going on? What's your exact issue?
I'd suggest he/she has a problem with seeing around 3 or 4% of the population having dark skin.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 04:53:03 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Very touchy aren't you
And no-I was fortunate to win a green card in the lottery so I have been legal since day 1
So when people like me, dual citizens of Ireland and the United States, point out some basic truths about the insanity of what's going on in Ireland as it pertains to the open borders policies being advanced by several left wing parties , all of a sudden were racists and Nazis and cvnts of various descriptions.
The reason I give a $hit is that I intend on retiring back there. I've been in Ireland 3 times already this year and see what's going on, and the country is well and truly shagged if this continues
What is going on? What's your exact issue?
TrueBlue, have you never heard of the great displacement? No? Let me full you in. All the left wing parties in Ireland are plotting to throw open the borders to anyone who wants to come here (our wet weather, high costs and inflation is a big pull). Anyway this is only the beginning. Then the left wing parties will hatch a plan to get the whites out if Ireland, maybe offer them free Ryanair tickets or something like that. When they are gone the black Muslims will move in, live in your house and convert the country to sharia law. Any whites that turn up will be be-headed and Paedos will roam free on every street corner. Only Whitey and Papa Smurf from the Irish national party can save us.
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
QuoteAre you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
There are no open borders, what a stupidly moronic leading question. You're a bit thick I take it, that's a good foundation for bigotry;)
then followed by an even more stupid question.
QuoteAre the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
From that poll 65% think the processing is taking too long
50% are not happy about the state's failure to provide accommodation
There are many obvious reasons not related to racism /bigotry/xenophobia why a person would say yes and thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees.
Seeing as you are interested in peoples' opinions.
What does make an Irish person a racist, what qualifies as Irish racism?
Imo, one ingredient (with relevance to the thread topic) are those flag waving blow-in agitators protesting outside asylum seeker centers, spreading baseless rumors, trying to whip up a storm of targeted hate.
https://archive.ph/nNzkj (https://archive.ph/nNzkj)
East Wall.opinions from various East Wallers.
The reality of life in East Wall months after arrival of asylum seekers
Most residents welcome asylum seekers but fear agitators 'there to cause trouble'.
a 29-year-old ..who has lived in East Wall for two years, said
'she had not noticed any changes in the area since the arrival of the asylum seekers and did not feel it was right to treat the residents of the building with suspicion'."Judging people based on an assumption that they might commit crime is very disingenuous. That's xenophobia really. You're saying that because they're from such a place, then they're more likely to commit a crime. You have to give people a chance," "East Wall is a very tight-knit community. It has had its ups and downs over the years but this whole situation has brought a heavy atmosphere to the area. I think there is a lack of trust with the government. I think if the people had been consulted in some way prior to all this, the understanding and view of all this would be an awful lot better."
"We walk by the building many times, we never had any bad looks or anything like that. Most of the time, they fled violence in their country or oppression, so I think it's fair for them to have a place to live,"
"I remember the first meeting we had on the East Wall Road. There were a lot of people there and some of these people started off and they were asked who they were and told to leave.
"You get the agitators down at everything. They're there to cause trouble."
In a statement shared on social media the "East Wall Anti-Asylum Committee" made allegations of an "explosion in crime and incidents" involving asylum seekers which it claimed had been "ignored" by gardai.
"In reality, none of those stories have come true," he said. "The protests have significantly died down to a core group of people who are not actually from East Wall. Given how much the protests have diminished gives an indication that a lot of those stories haven't come to fruition."
Another ingredient of the Irish racist is ignorance.
Dundrum
Dundrum has become one of the latest focal points in the anti-migrant campaign, as up to 176 asylum seekers are set to be housed on a temporary basis at the site of the south Dublin suburb's former Central Mental Hospital
Residents stared in bewilderment last week at graffiti that had been sprayed on the outside walls of the grounds, including messages such as "Dundrum says no", "Protect our kids and
woman" (sic) and "
House our owen" (sic).
"I haven't come across anyone who has anything against this space being used to house asylum seekers. I think the community in general would be welcoming. It's a huge self-contained space, why would we not? The Irish went abroad for long enough, why would we not welcome people here?," she said.
, a psychology professor in her sixties who lives in Dundrum, said she and others in the community were "horrified" by the defacement of the site's exterior and the sentiments expressed in the messages.
Quote from: Main Street on August 09, 2023, 09:41:12 PM
QuoteAre you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
There are no open borders, what a stupidly moronic leading question. You're a bit thick I take it, that's a good foundation for bigotry;)
Humph. If you allow the vast majority of people who arrive here to stay, then you pretty much have a
de facto open border. I know it's not officially that way, but if someone manages to land here at all, there's less than a 10% chance they'll actually be required to leave. Besides, it's far from a "stupidly moronic question". Have you seen some of the posters on 'your side'?!! The ones who'd claim they're against the "bigots"?!! Hah! Not all brain-boxes, either, matey! Or do you think it's somehow 'more intelligent' to push a multi-cultural, 'refugees welcome' agenda? Just going for a bit of the old intellectual snobbery, eh?!!
As for leading questions - most opinion polls ask them. And that includes the SBP one. Also ; a load of quotes from God-knows-who isn't exactly proof that most "residents welcome asylum seekers".
Interesting (but not surprisingly), you almost completely evade whitey's questions.
Quote from: Main Street on August 09, 2023, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
QuoteAre you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
There are no open borders, what a stupidly moronic leading question. You're a bit thick I take it, that's a good foundation for bigotry;)
then followed by an even more stupid question.
QuoteAre the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
From that poll 65% think the processing is taking too long
50% are not happy about the state's failure to provide accommodation
There are many obvious reasons not related to racism /bigotry/xenophobia why a person would say yes and thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees.
Seeing as you are interested in peoples' opinions.
What does make an Irish person a racist, what qualifies as Irish racism?
Imo, one ingredient (with relevance to the thread topic) are those flag waving blow-in agitators protesting outside asylum seeker centers, spreading baseless rumors, trying to whip up a storm of targeted hate.
https://archive.ph/nNzkj (https://archive.ph/nNzkj)
East Wall.
opinions from various East Wallers.
The reality of life in East Wall months after arrival of asylum seekers
Most residents welcome asylum seekers but fear agitators 'there to cause trouble'.
a 29-year-old ..who has lived in East Wall for two years, said 'she had not noticed any changes in the area since the arrival of the asylum seekers and did not feel it was right to treat the residents of the building with suspicion'.
"Judging people based on an assumption that they might commit crime is very disingenuous. That's xenophobia really. You're saying that because they're from such a place, then they're more likely to commit a crime. You have to give people a chance,"
"East Wall is a very tight-knit community. It has had its ups and downs over the years but this whole situation has brought a heavy atmosphere to the area. I think there is a lack of trust with the government. I think if the people had been consulted in some way prior to all this, the understanding and view of all this would be an awful lot better."
"We walk by the building many times, we never had any bad looks or anything like that. Most of the time, they fled violence in their country or oppression, so I think it's fair for them to have a place to live,"
"I remember the first meeting we had on the East Wall Road. There were a lot of people there and some of these people started off and they were asked who they were and told to leave.
"You get the agitators down at everything. They're there to cause trouble."
In a statement shared on social media the "East Wall Anti-Asylum Committee" made allegations of an "explosion in crime and incidents" involving asylum seekers which it claimed had been "ignored" by gardai.
"In reality, none of those stories have come true," he said. "The protests have significantly died down to a core group of people who are not actually from East Wall. Given how much the protests have diminished gives an indication that a lot of those stories haven't come to fruition."
Another ingredient of the Irish racist is ignorance.
Dundrum
Dundrum has become one of the latest focal points in the anti-migrant campaign, as up to 176 asylum seekers are set to be housed on a temporary basis at the site of the south Dublin suburb's former Central Mental Hospital
Residents stared in bewilderment last week at graffiti that had been sprayed on the outside walls of the grounds, including messages such as "Dundrum says no", "Protect our kids and woman" (sic) and "House our owen" (sic).
"I haven't come across anyone who has anything against this space being used to house asylum seekers. I think the community in general would be welcoming. It's a huge self-contained space, why would we not? The Irish went abroad for long enough, why would we not welcome people here?," she said.
, a psychology professor in her sixties who lives in Dundrum, said she and others in the community were "horrified" by the defacement of the site's exterior and the sentiments expressed in the messages.
You guys can't answer the questions can you ?
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You do that, don't forget to check in on www.facts4fascists.com for some unbiased accurate data
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You do that, don't forget to check in on www.facts4fascists.com for some unbiased accurate data
LOL
Question: Are you in favor of open borders?
Itchys Answer: Fascist.
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Reluctant to wade on this one before but it's getting kind of ridiculous.
No country can have an open border policy.
Yes the Irish people of previous generations spread across the world so there is a bit of guilt attached to that when thinking of taking people in. But there is the concern now, that the current generations are paying for romantic notion of paying this back to the world.
Simple fact it that the government dont seem to have a handle on it. It is not difficult to draw a line between the housing crisis and an influx of immigrants, be that right or wrong it is an easy link to make.
Not the fact that the government have neglected social housing or that they have let foreign investment funds buy up property and kill the housing market for people that are actually working, with no hope of ever affording a house.
So there are wider issues at play other than immigrants or Ukrainians.
Problem is when you have a government in place who are prepared just to let things slide and slide nothing will change and it will forces even harder views on all sides of the argument.
Interesting how this story was covered by the media
An Eritrean man who was a serial sex pest, jailed for 13 years for sexually assaulting 6 women. No mention of nationality in the bbc report linked below.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-64430258.amp
Yet if you dig a bit deeper it transpires he is an Eritrean who had not yet been granted asylum & the judge said at sentencing that he would likely be deported after serving his sentence.
https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2023/07/22/man-jailed-for-eight-years-for-series-of-sex-attacks-on-women-in-brighton/
Why would that not be reported by the bbc or any other mainstream outlet?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy
I presume Israel still allows anyone claiming to be a Jew to just walk in
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
So on your post no one has been deported?
Quote from: NAG1 on August 10, 2023, 01:19:02 PM
Reluctant to wade on this one before but it's getting kind of ridiculous.
No country can have an open border policy.
Yes the Irish people of previous generations spread across the world so there is a bit of guilt attached to that when thinking of taking people in. But there is the concern now, that the current generations are paying for romantic notion of paying this back to the world.
Simple fact it that the government dont seem to have a handle on it. It is not difficult to draw a line between the housing crisis and an influx of immigrants, be that right or wrong it is an easy link to make.
Not the fact that the government have neglected social housing or that they have let foreign investment funds buy up property and kill the housing market for people that are actually working, with no hope of ever affording a house.
So there are wider issues at play other than immigrants or Ukrainians.
Problem is when you have a government in place who are prepared just to let things slide and slide nothing will change and it will forces even harder views on all sides of the argument.
Its an easy link to make but it is not a correct link as most refugees are being put into housing in the south that would not have been allowed to house Irish people due to the ability to by-pass planning. The housing crisis is squarely at the foot of FG and FF who have simply not built enough houses while in government.
My big annoyance in the housing of refugees is how the government has allowed it to be turned into profiteering by their builder pals, stuffing families into tiny rooms and getting paid a fortune to do it.
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
France approve about 30% of asylum apppications, the UK is much higher so that's why they keep heading for the English coastline
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Spot on.
You can almost feel the hatred and prejudice from every post by the usual few here or from the Fascists and their camp followers.
Although Libraries books seems to have become the new targets of ignorant hated from the latter groups.
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
When tax is taken from people, they have no say or control as to how and where it's spent
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
What about the 84% of people in this poll?
https://mcompassmedia.com/84-say/amp/
"An Irish Times-Ipsos poll published today finds 84 per cent of respondents say there is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees that Ireland can cope with"
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2023, 01:53:45 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy
I presume Israel still allows anyone claiming to be a Jew to just walk in
Heck, they even buck some Palestinians out of their own homes to give to these new "settlers"!
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Thanks lad but like most people in Ireland we couldn't give a shite what a yank thinks of us (have you not enough issues of your own over there to be embarrassed about, lunatics with guns shooting school kids for example). My biggest concern is that you stay in the US and dont come back here to retire.
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Thanks lad but like most people in Ireland we couldn't give a shite what a yank thinks of us (have you not enough issues of your own over there to be embarrassed about, lunatics with guns shooting school kids for example). My biggest concern is that you stay in the US and dont come back here to retire.
Your realize your opinions are out of step with 75/82% of Irish people who were polled on the topic?
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Thanks lad but like most people in Ireland we couldn't give a shite what a yank thinks of us (have you not enough issues of your own over there to be embarrassed about, lunatics with guns shooting school kids for example). My biggest concern is that you stay in the US and dont come back here to retire.
Be too full, what with the extra 2 million people here, all the extra spaced filled with mosques and burka producing factories!
It's went from one question to three
When given an answer, I've seen several, he's made up more stuff, hopefully your kids call you out on your crap
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Thanks lad but like most people in Ireland we couldn't give a shite what a yank thinks of us (have you not enough issues of your own over there to be embarrassed about, lunatics with guns shooting school kids for example). My biggest concern is that you stay in the US and dont come back here to retire.
Be too full, what with the extra 2 million people here, all the extra spaced filled with mosques and burka producing factories!
It's went from one question to three
When given an answer, I've seen several, he's made up more stuff, hopefully your kids call you out on your crap
2 million was a hypothetical to see if you'd mail your colors to the mast and give a number
Anyway-I feel very bad for you guys having to live in a country where 75-84 % of people are racists
Much fewer than that over here
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Thanks lad but like most people in Ireland we couldn't give a shite what a yank thinks of us (have you not enough issues of your own over there to be embarrassed about, lunatics with guns shooting school kids for example). My biggest concern is that you stay in the US and dont come back here to retire.
Your realize your opinions are out of step with 75/82% of Irish people who were polled on the topic?
Opining that FFG are handling immigration badly doesn't mean you are amti immigration. The majority would say they are handling housing or health badly but aren't opposed to houses or hospitals.
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:24:09 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 03:18:44 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:02:15 PM
LOL
75% of people polled by the SBP stated that Ireland were taking in too many refugees
So are these people racists and bigots and Xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
If I were you guys, I'd be embarrassed
None of you can answer 3 simple questions but fire the rattle out of the pram when a few simple truths are pointed out to you
Irelands handling of this has been an unmitigated disaster
(Anyways-nice chatting with you all. Even though it's August, I actually have some work to do)
Thanks lad but like most people in Ireland we couldn't give a shite what a yank thinks of us (have you not enough issues of your own over there to be embarrassed about, lunatics with guns shooting school kids for example). My biggest concern is that you stay in the US and dont come back here to retire.
Be too full, what with the extra 2 million people here, all the extra spaced filled with mosques and burka producing factories!
It's went from one question to three
When given an answer, I've seen several, he's made up more stuff, hopefully your kids call you out on your crap
2 million was a hypothetical to see if you'd mail your colors to the mast and give a number
Anyway-I feel very bad for you guys having to live in a country where 75-84 % of people are racists
Much fewer than that over here
Not sure hypothetical fits in with what you are trying to say, as for racists or any kind of sectarian views for that matter I'd say those figures might be right, certainly my dad's generation's would have been or said things which would be racist
Have I git this right?
1 Anyone from GB, EU (presumably EEA and Switzerland too) are free to come here to live and work, retire or whatever.
2 People from other Countries need visas and a work permit of they come for employment.
International Protection applicants turn up and seek asylum.
3 Ukrainians are a special case due to their Country being invaded.
Those under 2 have to be checked out and provided with accomodation/food etc while their cases are being examined.
10% of the population of the 26 Counties were born outside of Ireland.
Half of those were born in GB, many to Irish parents.
Polish people probably half the remainder.
Would there be 50,000 to 75,000 dark skinned people in the State?
As for full.... Holland and Belgium combined are probably smaller than the 26 Counties but have 5 or 6 times the population.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Have I git this right?
1 Anyone from GB, EU (presumably EEA and Switzerland too) are free to come here to live and work, retire or whatever.
2 People from other Countries need visas and a work permit of they come for employment.
International Protection applicants turn up and seek asylum.
3 Ukrainians are a special case due to their Country being invaded.
Those under 2 have to be checked out and provided with accomodation/food etc while their cases are being examined.
10% of the population of the 26 Counties were born outside of Ireland.
Half of those were born in GB, many to Irish parents.
Polish people probably half the remainder.
Would there be 50,000 to 75,000 dark skinned people in the State?
As for full.... Holland and Belgium combined are probably smaller than the 26 Counties but have 5 or 6 times the population.
Your time would be better spent re-educating and reprogramming the 75/84% of the Irish population who are racists rather than posting nonsense on here
If I were you guys, I'd actually flee the country immediately. Enlightened and educated folks like yourselves would be in grave danger from the racists and book burners
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Have I git this right?
1 Anyone from GB, EU (presumably EEA and Switzerland too) are free to come here to live and work, retire or whatever.
2 People from other Countries need visas and a work permit of they come for employment.
International Protection applicants turn up and seek asylum.
3 Ukrainians are a special case due to their Country being invaded.
Those under 2 have to be checked out and provided with accomodation/food etc while their cases are being examined.
10% of the population of the 26 Counties were born outside of Ireland.
Half of those were born in GB, many to Irish parents.
Polish people probably half the remainder.
Would there be 50,000 to 75,000 dark skinned people in the State?
As for full.... Holland and Belgium combined are probably smaller than the 26 Counties but have 5 or 6 times the population.
Your time would be better spent re-educating and reprogramming the 75/84% of the Irish population who are racists rather than posting nonsense on here
If I were you guys, I'd actually flee the country immediately. Enlightened and educated folks like yourselves would be in grave danger from the racists and book burners
You are not very good at interpreting data I would say. Lets see how popular your bed fellows in the Irish Nationalist Party led by Papa Smurf get on at the next elections, assuming he can find his gold to pay for his election posters.
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Have I git this right?
1 Anyone from GB, EU (presumably EEA and Switzerland too) are free to come here to live and work, retire or whatever.
2 People from other Countries need visas and a work permit of they come for employment.
International Protection applicants turn up and seek asylum.
3 Ukrainians are a special case due to their Country being invaded.
Those under 2 have to be checked out and provided with accomodation/food etc while their cases are being examined.
10% of the population of the 26 Counties were born outside of Ireland.
Half of those were born in GB, many to Irish parents.
Polish people probably half the remainder.
Would there be 50,000 to 75,000 dark skinned people in the State?
As for full.... Holland and Belgium combined are probably smaller than the 26 Counties but have 5 or 6 times the population.
Your time would be better spent re-educating and reprogramming the 75/84% of the Irish population who are racists rather than posting nonsense on here
If I were you guys, I'd actually flee the country immediately. Enlightened and educated folks like yourselves would be in grave danger from the racists and book burners
You are not very good at interpreting data I would say. Lets see how popular your bed fellows in the Irish Nationalist Party led by Papa Smurf get on at the next elections, assuming he can find his gold to pay for his election posters.
Given that 75/84% of the people in Ireland are racists, I'd be shocked if they don't become the largest party in Dáil Éireann
I'd say littler/papa smurf and the various English off shoots etc might increase their vote to 0.9%
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Have I git this right?
1 Anyone from GB, EU (presumably EEA and Switzerland too) are free to come here to live and work, retire or whatever.
2 People from other Countries need visas and a work permit of they come for employment.
International Protection applicants turn up and seek asylum.
3 Ukrainians are a special case due to their Country being invaded.
Those under 2 have to be checked out and provided with accomodation/food etc while their cases are being examined.
10% of the population of the 26 Counties were born outside of Ireland.
Half of those were born in GB, many to Irish parents.
Polish people probably half the remainder.
Would there be 50,000 to 75,000 dark skinned people in the State?
As for full.... Holland and Belgium combined are probably smaller than the 26 Counties but have 5 or 6 times the population.
Not sure about 1, for EU citizens anyway. Freedom of movement was about being able to work in any EU Country but some Countries you have to show you can support yourself (a job or savings) to settle.
Enough was not made of that fact before Brexit. The UK had control of its own borders but did not exercise that control.
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/working-in-ireland/migrant-workers/coming-from-eu-to-work/#:~:text=Common%20Travel%20Area.-,Residence%20rights%20for%20you%20and%20your%20family,months%20to%20look%20for%20work.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 10, 2023, 03:44:32 PM
Have I git this right?
1 Anyone from GB, EU (presumably EEA and Switzerland too) are free to come here to live and work, retire or whatever.
2 People from other Countries need visas and a work permit of they come for employment.
International Protection applicants turn up and seek asylum.
3 Ukrainians are a special case due to their Country being invaded.
Those under 2 have to be checked out and provided with accomodation/food etc while their cases are being examined.
10% of the population of the 26 Counties were born outside of Ireland.
Half of those were born in GB, many to Irish parents.
Polish people probably half the remainder.
Would there be 50,000 to 75,000 dark skinned people in the State?
As for full.... Holland and Belgium combined are probably smaller than the 26 Counties but have 5 or 6 times the population.
The general thrust of your post is correct, but 20% of the population of the 26 counties were born elsewhere and EU citizens are entitled to come to work here but not necessarily just move.
The number of Polish, Latvians etc is actually falling, these are the places of biggest increase
(https://i.ibb.co/0cq6GhD/immigrants.png) (https://ibb.co/9Nn1rs8)
(http://blob:null/33b803b0-4b35-4073-90db-b7dba134196d)
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpsr/censusofpopulation2022-summaryresults/migrationanddiversity/#:~:text=The%20biggest%20non%2DIrish%20groups,by%20Indian%2C%20Romanian%20and%20Lithuanian.
I hope none of these make whitey embarrassed. Theyv make me very proud
https://www.balls.ie/athletics/elizabeth-ndudi-gold-ireland-long-jump-european-u20-championships-566784
https://www.cyclingireland.ie/news-item/dunlevy-and-mccrystal-claim-overall-win-at-the-uci-para-cycling-world-cup-
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/2023/08/10/leona-maguire-off-to-steady-start-with-level-par-72-at-aig-womens-open/
That includes the black girl with an Irish accent, the white girl with an English accent and the Cavan girl with a Cavan accent. All Irish and all doing a tremendous job representing our country.
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
Ah the far right racist, always looking out for the women. Such hero's. What about the young woman I posted a link out above that won gold in long jump? Would you be looking out for her or is she just a yoke that will breed more knife wielding black kids in your eyes.
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
That and worse been going on for years, I also doubt very much that any criminal activity isn't happening without white locals having a say in things, or local politicians who aren't making money off putting people up in houses.
Of course no extra criminal activity is needed, what's the percentage of people in jail with the 2 million extra refugees here ;D
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
Ah the far right racist, always looking out for the women. Such hero's. What about the young woman I posted a link out above that won gold in long jump? Would you be looking out for her or is she just a yoke that will breed more knife wielding black kids in your eyes.
Hahahah
"Black people are great athletes"
Do you have any idea how offensive that stereotype is to people of Color
https://dopeblack.org/are-black-people-more-athletic/
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
Ah the far right racist, always looking out for the women. Such hero's. What about the young woman I posted a link out above that won gold in long jump? Would you be looking out for her or is she just a yoke that will breed more knife wielding black kids in your eyes.
Hahahah
"Black people are great athletes"
Do you have any idea how offensive that stereotype is to people of Color
https://dopeblack.org/are-black-people-more-athletic/
"" Normally implies you are quoting someone. Can you show me where anyone said here what's inside your "" you utter sc**bag.
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
Ah the far right racist, always looking out for the women. Such hero's. What about the young woman I posted a link out above that won gold in long jump? Would you be looking out for her or is she just a yoke that will breed more knife wielding black kids in your eyes.
Hahahah
"Black people are great athletes"
Do you have any idea how offensive that stereotype is to people of Color
https://dopeblack.org/are-black-people-more-athletic/
"" Normally implies you are quoting someone. Can you show me where anyone said here what's inside your "" you utter sc**bag.
Itchy-you should apologize to all the persons of Color for your act of micro aggression. It was both disgusting and disgraceful
Seriously though - how do you get through the day surrounded by such hate and racism
If I lived in a country where 75-85% of the people were racists, I'd leave the country
Jesus f**k!!
Holding on to those figures like flies on shite..
Whitey I'm not surprised you've done well in the states, white dumb and republican...
How anyone takes any crap that you speak seriously is amazing. Hope you don't talk to Americans about this place when you are home..
Muslim after 20 years with 2 million refugees and the economy fucked!
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 11:21:41 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 10:46:46 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 10:04:23 PM
Quote from: Kidder81 on August 10, 2023, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: Cavan19 on August 10, 2023, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 10, 2023, 02:17:21 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
Ok what country has an open borders policy and what has this got to do with refugees and 2 million people
Never answer a question with a question
Sinn Fein, PBP and I assume the SDs have a defacto open border policies
Anyone any everyone can come in and you can't /won't be deported once you are here even if served with a deportation order
People who miracously get on a plane in another country but land at Dublin Airport without papers
People from "safe " countries
People who transit through safe countries.....maybe 5 or 6 countries in a row to claim asylum/refugee status
People like the SD election candidate who got denied in the UK and then landed here and applied again and lied and lied and lied some more
It's a joke and the Irish taxpayers need their heads examined to be funding this fraud
You realise dumbo that Ireland is in the EU and therefore must take its fair share as an EU state. Do you think if there are a million refugees from Ukraine that they should all be houses by Poland as thats the nearest country. Is that fair? Like I said before, being an adopted Yank you dont have a clue whats going on here in Ireland.
Most don't have problems with the Ukrainians its the ones with different skin colour that seem to be the problem.
Ukrainians don't seem to be here to run brothels, take part in organised crime, drug deal, and sexually harass and assault women. They don't come from a culture that thinks women are second class citizens and fair game for doing what you want with them. Nor do they have a proclivity to carry large knives That's the ones I have a problem with.
Ah the far right racist, always looking out for the women. Such hero's. What about the young woman I posted a link out above that won gold in long jump? Would you be looking out for her or is she just a yoke that will breed more knife wielding black kids in your eyes.
Hahahah
"Black people are great athletes"
Do you have any idea how offensive that stereotype is to people of Color
https://dopeblack.org/are-black-people-more-athletic/
"" Normally implies you are quoting someone. Can you show me where anyone said here what's inside your "" you utter sc**bag.
Itchy-you should apologize to all the persons of Color for your act of micro aggression. It was both disgusting and disgraceful
Seriously though - how do you get through the day surrounded by such hate and racism
If I lived in a country where 75-85% of the people were racists, I'd leave the country
Colour is spelt with a "U" dumb yank, inverted commas signify a quote dumb yank. You are too stupid to return to Ireland. You've all the ingredients to be a racist far right sc**bag. Stay in the shit hole you live in and never come here again.
Itchy-you're blinded by hate
What if my concerns were with the number of people coming from safe countries such as Albania and Georgia?
What race are Albanians and Georgians?
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-01-18/1079/#pq-answers-1078_1079
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 11:45:48 PM
Itchy-you're blinded by hate
What if my concerns were with the number of people coming from safe countries such as Albania and Georgia?
What race are Albanians and Georgians?
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-01-18/1079/#pq-answers-1078_1079
Hopefully we get more of them than Americans
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
There shouldn't be a house in every field along every road
That is part of the reason rural Ireland is fecked
Not viable to out services in villages/towns when everyone has to drive long distances to get to then
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
So, from no one being deported ( you said that in an earlier post) now up to 20% being deported?
Which is it?
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 11:45:48 PM
Itchy-you're blinded by hate
What if my concerns were with the number of people coming from safe countries such as Albania and Georgia?
What race are Albanians and Georgians?
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-01-18/1079/#pq-answers-1078_1079
The fact they are so called safe countries doesn't matter. You can claim asylum for any of the 5 convention reasons. Your country does not have to be at war for you to claim asylum. Beside, I'd wonder just how safe parts of Albania really is.
That said, with the massive increase in claims from those countries I'd imagine it is economic migrants abusing the asylum system by claiming asylum. That should be discovered though during the decision making process
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
No money for anything?
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e626a-community-recognition-fund-2023/ (for communities housing refugees)
https://www.sportscapitalprogramme.ie/ (for sports clubs the country over, currently open)
LEADER grants (open for 2024 applications)
CLAR grants (just closed for 2023)
Tell your dumbo mates about them when you come home and that if they get of their arses and put a bit of work in there is plenty of money to do something in their communities.
Finally, this one of the best things to come out of the USA and it is particularly relevent to you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc
They Took our Jobs!
Itchy-what race are Albanians?
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
No money for anything?
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e626a-community-recognition-fund-2023/ (for communities housing refugees)
https://www.sportscapitalprogramme.ie/ (for sports clubs the country over, currently open)
LEADER grants (open for 2024 applications)
CLAR grants (just closed for 2023)
Tell your dumbo mates about them when you come home and that if they get of their arses and put a bit of work in there is plenty of money to do something in their communities.
Finally, this one of the best things to come out of the USA and it is particularly relevent to you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc
They Took our Jobs!
Believe what you want
75-85% of people are on my side of the issue-I'm just telling you what I saw with my own two eyes
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
No money for anything?
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e626a-community-recognition-fund-2023/ (for communities housing refugees)
https://www.sportscapitalprogramme.ie/ (for sports clubs the country over, currently open)
LEADER grants (open for 2024 applications)
CLAR grants (just closed for 2023)
Tell your dumbo mates about them when you come home and that if they get of their arses and put a bit of work in there is plenty of money to do something in their communities.
Finally, this one of the best things to come out of the USA and it is particularly relevent to you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc
They Took our Jobs!
Believe what you want
75-85% of people are on my side of the issue-I'm just telling you what I saw with my own two eyes
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you
How many people done that poll? What demographic were they? Age? Any other information to shed on it?
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
The straw is that some have dark skin😉
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
He has likely gone down rabbit holes online where lots of misinformation is posted and the less intelligent take it as gospel.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2023, 11:05:05 AM
The straw is that some have dark skin😉
Boils down to that and pure ignorance
75-85 % of people think Ireland has taken in too many refugees
Ireland is a racist country and I think you should all get out while you can
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 11, 2023, 11:05:05 AM
The straw is that some have dark skin😉
Boils down to that and pure ignorance
Itchy-if I lived in a country where 85% of people are racist, I would get off my computer and go out and become a full time anti racism campaigner.
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
No money for anything?
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e626a-community-recognition-fund-2023/ (for communities housing refugees)
https://www.sportscapitalprogramme.ie/ (for sports clubs the country over, currently open)
LEADER grants (open for 2024 applications)
CLAR grants (just closed for 2023)
Tell your dumbo mates about them when you come home and that if they get of their arses and put a bit of work in there is plenty of money to do something in their communities.
Finally, this one of the best things to come out of the USA and it is particularly relevent to you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc
They Took our Jobs!
Believe what you want
75-85% of people are on my side of the issue-I'm just telling you what I saw with my own two eyes
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you
Its nothing to do with believing, the links above are real and the money behind them is real. There is no debate about that. You don't hurt my feelings but I can think of nothing more disgusting than a racist amongst our own, given our own history. You and your like are the lowest of the low.
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:37:03 AM
75-85 % of people think Ireland has taken in too many refugees
Ireland is a racist country and I think you should all get out while you can
I think that's accurate.. 75% of the people are misinformed and assume that the place has 2 million refugees and the place will be muslin soon with the big replacement ;D
When information is incorrectly given, people will come out with the pitch forks
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
Who said it has me annoyed?
My opinion (shared by 75-85% of the people polled on the topic) is that Ireland has taken in too many
Here are the number directly from the minister as it pertains to deportations (seem much different to what you're quoting)
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-05-23/525/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:37:03 AM
75-85 % of people think Ireland has taken in too many refugees
Ireland is a racist country and I think you should all get out while you can
I think that's accurate.. 75% of the people are misinformed and assume that the place has 2 million refugees and the place will be muslin soon with the big replacement ;D
When information is incorrectly given, people will come out with the pitch forks
Hahaha
So the elitists have the correct information and everyone else has misinformation
You couldn't make it up
Hope you are all safe, and make it out before something bad happens to you-who knows.....maybe Itchy will create some other new race
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
No money for anything?
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e626a-community-recognition-fund-2023/ (for communities housing refugees)
https://www.sportscapitalprogramme.ie/ (for sports clubs the country over, currently open)
LEADER grants (open for 2024 applications)
CLAR grants (just closed for 2023)
Tell your dumbo mates about them when you come home and that if they get of their arses and put a bit of work in there is plenty of money to do something in their communities.
Finally, this one of the best things to come out of the USA and it is particularly relevent to you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc
They Took our Jobs!
Believe what you want
75-85% of people are on my side of the issue-I'm just telling you what I saw with my own two eyes
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you
Its nothing to do with believing, the links above are real and the money behind them is real. There is no debate about that. You don't hurt my feelings but I can think of nothing more disgusting than a racist amongst our own, given our own history. You and your like are the lowest of the low.
Remind me again-what race are Albanians?
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:37:03 AM
75-85 % of people think Ireland has taken in too many refugees
Ireland is a racist country and I think you should all get out while you can
I think that's accurate.. 75% of the people are misinformed and assume that the place has 2 million refugees and the place will be muslin soon with the big replacement ;D
When information is incorrectly given, people will come out with the pitch forks
Hahaha
So the elitists have the correct information and everyone else has misinformation
You couldn't make it up
Hope you are all safe, and make it out before something bad happens to you-who knows.....maybe Itchy will create some other new race
Don't worry about us, we will all be relatively safe as there are not too many nut jobs going around with automatic weapons, shooting up schools here. You see here we have made the incredible breakthrough of linking gun violence with the availability of guns (we had our best people work on this).
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:50:46 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:37:03 AM
75-85 % of people think Ireland has taken in too many refugees
Ireland is a racist country and I think you should all get out while you can
I think that's accurate.. 75% of the people are misinformed and assume that the place has 2 million refugees and the place will be muslin soon with the big replacement ;D
When information is incorrectly given, people will come out with the pitch forks
Hahaha
So the elitists have the correct information and everyone else has misinformation
You couldn't make it up
Hope you are all safe, and make it out before something bad happens to you-who knows.....maybe Itchy will create some other new race
Its so bad, you'd be better spending your retirement in the States, be one less pitch fork to worry about
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:51:43 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 10:28:19 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
No money for anything?
https://www.gov.ie/en/service/e626a-community-recognition-fund-2023/ (for communities housing refugees)
https://www.sportscapitalprogramme.ie/ (for sports clubs the country over, currently open)
LEADER grants (open for 2024 applications)
CLAR grants (just closed for 2023)
Tell your dumbo mates about them when you come home and that if they get of their arses and put a bit of work in there is plenty of money to do something in their communities.
Finally, this one of the best things to come out of the USA and it is particularly relevent to you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc
They Took our Jobs!
Believe what you want
75-85% of people are on my side of the issue-I'm just telling you what I saw with my own two eyes
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by disagreeing with you
Its nothing to do with believing, the links above are real and the money behind them is real. There is no debate about that. You don't hurt my feelings but I can think of nothing more disgusting than a racist amongst our own, given our own history. You and your like are the lowest of the low.
Remind me again-what race are Albanians?
I am sure there are a moix of many races there but maybe you should ask an Albanian dumbo.
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
Who said it has me annoyed?
My opinion (shared by 75-85% of the people polled on the topic) is that Ireland has taken in too many
Here are the number directly from the minister as it pertains to deportations (seem much different to what you're quoting)
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-05-23/525/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
None of those links dispute the figures in the article I posted. Can you point me out where they do in case I'm missing it?
I'm not arguing against the poll. Is it the poll that has shaped your view on immigration in Ireland? Is that what you're basing your view on?
He's been to Ireland 3 times this year - show some respect.
Why do you indulge this guy??
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:16:52 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 12:43:27 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 12:41:08 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 10, 2023, 11:16:01 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 10, 2023, 12:17:29 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 09, 2023, 11:17:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
Who said it has me annoyed?
My opinion (shared by 75-85% of the people polled on the topic) is that Ireland has taken in too many
Here are the number directly from the minister as it pertains to deportations (seem much different to what you're quoting)
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-05-23/525/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
None of those links dispute the figures in the article I posted. Can you point me out where they do in case I'm missing it?
I'm not arguing against the poll. Is it the poll that has shaped your view on immigration in Ireland? Is that what you're basing your view on?
Go back and look again-they look completely different to me
119/528 last year and 22/448 YTD
I'm looking at this stuff in an iPhone so it's easy to miss something or misinterpret
But let me ask you a question-I've spent a month in Ireland this year. You live there full time
Why do you think 75-85% of people surveyed think that Ireland has taken in too many refugees//asylum seekers?
You meet them very single day and probably meet more of a cross section of the population that I did
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians
Members of the human race, just like the other 7 billion +.
And to further piss off the Yankee Rhubarb bigot.... our ancestors all came from AFRICA...
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Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
Who said it has me annoyed?
My opinion (shared by 75-85% of the people polled on the topic) is that Ireland has taken in too many
Here are the number directly from the minister as it pertains to deportations (seem much different to what you're quoting)
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-05-23/525/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
None of those links dispute the figures in the article I posted. Can you point me out where they do in case I'm missing it?
I'm not arguing against the poll. Is it the poll that has shaped your view on immigration in Ireland? Is that what you're basing your view on?
Go back and look again-they look completely different to me
119/528 last year and 22/448 YTD
I'm looking at this stuff in an iPhone so it's easy to miss something or misinterpret
But let me ask you a question-I've spent a month in Ireland this year. You live there full time
Why do you think 75-85% of people surveyed think that Ireland has taken in too many refugees//asylum seekers?
You meet them very single day and probably meet more of a cross section of the population that I did
Your articles only takes in forced deportations. Many of them leave voluntarily as outlined in that article I posted.
Firstly the poll was only of 1000 people. Not a huge sample size. Plus I don't know the breakdown of those sampled.
There's a lot of information out there that when not viewed in conjunction with other information can be misleading. Plus you have activists on both sides who with try and weaponise stats without showing full pictures. This can all drive fear and mistrust.
That was why I was asking, what figures in particular made you think there was an open border policy?
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
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Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
Who said it has me annoyed?
My opinion (shared by 75-85% of the people polled on the topic) is that Ireland has taken in too many
Here are the number directly from the minister as it pertains to deportations (seem much different to what you're quoting)
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-05-23/525/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
None of those links dispute the figures in the article I posted. Can you point me out where they do in case I'm missing it?
I'm not arguing against the poll. Is it the poll that has shaped your view on immigration in Ireland? Is that what you're basing your view on?
Go back and look again-they look completely different to me
119/528 last year and 22/448 YTD
I'm looking at this stuff in an iPhone so it's easy to miss something or misinterpret
But let me ask you a question-I've spent a month in Ireland this year. You live there full time
Why do you think 75-85% of people surveyed think that Ireland has taken in too many refugees//asylum seekers?
You meet them very single day and probably meet more of a cross section of the population that I did
Your articles only takes in forced deportations. Many of them leave voluntarily as outlined in that article I posted.
Firstly the poll was only of 1000 people. Not a huge sample size. Plus I don't know the breakdown of those sampled.
There's a lot of information out there that when not viewed in conjunction with other information can be misleading. Plus you have activists on both sides who with try and weaponise stats without showing full pictures. This can all drive fear and mistrust.
That was why I was asking, what figures in particular made you think there was an open border policy?
I never said there was an open border policy
I said that people felt like it was an open borders policy based on how the governments was handling the crisis.
I also said that several political parties have official written policies that are defacto open border policies-zero deportations (PBP) no upper limit on refugees (SF) and I would assume the SDs have similar views given they put an asylum fraudster forward as Al election candidate
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Why bother!
You guys have your minds made up.
Anyways, I hope you make it safely through the weekend and that there aren't too many cross burning's in your neighborhood give all the racists about
There must be quite a few visually impaired people in Ireland too because if they think Albanians and Georgians are a different race
But maybe they self identify as people of color, so Itchy may be on to something
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Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:23:28 PM
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Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:49:05 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 11:03:05 AM
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Quote from: whitey on August 09, 2023, 06:21:34 PM
So let's try this again (for the third time)
Are you guys in favor of open borders? (Unlimited inward migration)
Yes or no?
If yes-that's great!
If no-how many should Ireland take annually?
Follow up question
Are the 75% of people in the SBP who thought Ireland had taken in too many refugees racists/bigots/xenophobes?
https://www.businesspost.ie/politics/three-quarters-of-people-think-ireland-taking-in-too-many-refugees/
3 very simple questions. No need to change the subject or twist yourselves into knots?
You surely have more to say on the subject than you've said so far
Not in favour of open border policy. Not sure what number can be accommodated tbh but don't think it's excessive at the minute. And I think we should absolutely be doing our bit to help.
Can you give a breakdown of how many has come in, how many deported, how many awaiting decisions etc. if we have the figures then it might be easier to make informed decisions.
I'll do a little research and get back to you. I want to make sure I'm putting up accurate data
You see I don't understand that. I had assumed because you were so annoyed about it, you knew the facts and that made the basis of your annoyance? Would that not be the normal way of operating?
I actually was actually in the middle of doing the research and then after reading some of the additional posts on here, I realized that whatever I came up with wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the zealots on here.
You could probably summarize this thread as " agree with us or you're a racist"
75-85% of people polled (SBP/IT) expressed concern at the number of refugees or thought that we had taken more than we should have.
Think about that for a moment-75-85% of people think we need to hit the pause button, but according to a many of the posters on here they might as well be wearing white crosses and attend cross burnings
Keep in mind a large proportion of the refugees/asylum seekers are white Europeans
Forget about polls. What figure caused you to think there is a "replacement" going on?
I never posted that
Someone else did
I'm actually all in favor of diversity as long as it's managed correctly and people (migrants) are given the resources to succeed and get ahead.
There is tremendous anger in rural Ireland at topics ranging from the lack of Gardai, NCT appointments, Hospital Beds, School Places.
There's no money for anything, yet there seems to be unlimited money (at least that's peoples perception) to take care of refugees and asylum seekers- some of whom are flat out scammers
No one can get planning permission to build a house on their own lane or put on an addition, yet the authorities can repurpose/re-zone commercial buildings into residential accomadation at the stroke of a pen with no planning permission required
Then you hear that only 10%-20% of people who were served with deportation orders actually left the country. Complete and utter madness
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
Its complete and utter madness what's going on and anyone who says so is now a racist and a bigot and a cvnt of some description
550 odd people served deportation papers last year with 248 already out of Ireland. The majority of the papers are historical. https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41102707.html
Looks like we're improving on the deportations rather than getting worse. Plus the no money thing doesn't stack up given the surplus. You're trying to tie the two together to force a link when the reality is different.
I'll ask if 250 odd people in a year that haven't left yet really an issue on resources?
So again, what is the actual figure that has you annoyed? Not rural Ireland, nor a poll. What was the straw that broke you to think Ireland has an open border policy.
Who said it has me annoyed?
My opinion (shared by 75-85% of the people polled on the topic) is that Ireland has taken in too many
Here are the number directly from the minister as it pertains to deportations (seem much different to what you're quoting)
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-05-23/525/
https://www.newstalk.com/news/asylum-seekers-80-of-those-ordered-to-leave-remain-unaccounted-for-1448723
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/majority-of-deportation-orders-not-carried-out-government-paper-reveals-1447810.html
None of those links dispute the figures in the article I posted. Can you point me out where they do in case I'm missing it?
I'm not arguing against the poll. Is it the poll that has shaped your view on immigration in Ireland? Is that what you're basing your view on?
Go back and look again-they look completely different to me
119/528 last year and 22/448 YTD
I'm looking at this stuff in an iPhone so it's easy to miss something or misinterpret
But let me ask you a question-I've spent a month in Ireland this year. You live there full time
Why do you think 75-85% of people surveyed think that Ireland has taken in too many refugees//asylum seekers?
You meet them very single day and probably meet more of a cross section of the population that I did
Your articles only takes in forced deportations. Many of them leave voluntarily as outlined in that article I posted.
Firstly the poll was only of 1000 people. Not a huge sample size. Plus I don't know the breakdown of those sampled.
There's a lot of information out there that when not viewed in conjunction with other information can be misleading. Plus you have activists on both sides who with try and weaponise stats without showing full pictures. This can all drive fear and mistrust.
That was why I was asking, what figures in particular made you think there was an open border policy?
I never said there was an open border policy
I said that people felt like it was an open borders policy based on how the governments was handling the crisis.
I also said that several political parties have official written policies that are defacto open border policies-zero deportations (PBP) no upper limit on refugees (SF) and I would assume the SDs have similar views given they put an asylum fraudster forward as Al election candidate
You're not saying an awful lot, but speaking out of the side of your mouth. SF said no limit on Ukrainian refugees given they are fleeing war. The SF manifesto still recommends restrictions for immigrants.
Again, what was the policy document that SF issued that was open border?
Put up the link to their current policy
The one I put up was from a few years ago and they stressed that "THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT"
They might have changed their minds, but I'd need to see it
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:37:03 AM
75-85 % of people think Ireland has taken in too many refugees
Ireland is a racist country and I think you should all get out while you can
Nope. That is not correct. 75-85% of a poll may think that. How many people were polled? I wasn't. Nobody I know was polled
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Why bother!
You guys have your minds made up.
Anyways, I hope you make it safely through the weekend and that there aren't too many cross burning's in your neighborhood give all the racists about
There must be quite a few visually impaired people in Ireland too because if they think Albanians and Georgians are a different race
But maybe they self identify as people of color, so Itchy may be on to something
Are you now claiming that I said Albanians were a race? Because I didnt. In fact, I have never mentioned Albanians (or Georgians). Same with the quote you attributed to me earlier - a total lie that you ran away from when challenged.
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Why bother!
You guys have your minds made up.
Anyways, I hope you make it safely through the weekend and that there aren't too many cross burning's in your neighborhood give all the racists about
There must be quite a few visually impaired people in Ireland too because if they think Albanians and Georgians are a different race
But maybe they self identify as people of color, so Itchy may be on to something
Are you now claiming that I said Albanians were a race? Because I didnt. In fact, I have never mentioned Albanians (or Georgians). Same with the quote you attributed to me earlier - a total lie that you ran away from when challenged.
You said that people who wanted to limit the number of refugees were racists so it's a logical conclusion on my part that Albanians must be some special race
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 03:58:06 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 03:00:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 02:00:34 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 01:58:56 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 01:58:18 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Why bother!
You guys have your minds made up.
Anyways, I hope you make it safely through the weekend and that there aren't too many cross burning's in your neighborhood give all the racists about
There must be quite a few visually impaired people in Ireland too because if they think Albanians and Georgians are a different race
But maybe they self identify as people of color, so Itchy may be on to something
Are you now claiming that I said Albanians were a race? Because I didnt. In fact, I have never mentioned Albanians (or Georgians). Same with the quote you attributed to me earlier - a total lie that you ran away from when challenged.
You said that people who wanted to limit the number of refugees were racists so it's a logical conclusion on my part that Albanians must be some special race
No, I said you were a racist and I stand by that based on your shite talk on here. I never mentioned "people" and I never mentioned Albanians, Georgians etc either. Your conclusion isn't logical, it is stupid much like the rest of the garbage you come out with.
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
Put up the link to their current policy
The one I put up was from a few years ago and they stressed that "THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT"
They might have changed their minds, but I'd need to see it
It says that SF would not put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. In the paragraph just before that, it actually stated around 4-5k this year was recommended. They have went on record saying that we should not only be fulfilling our international obligations, but doing more given our background. I think they could certainly provide more data there in regards to numbers but it's not an open border policy.
Would you view that as open border?
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
Put up the link to their current policy
The one I put up was from a few years ago and they stressed that "THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT"
They might have changed their minds, but I'd need to see it
It says that SF would not put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. In the paragraph just before that, it actually stated around 4-5k this year was recommended. They have went on record saying that we should not only be fulfilling our international obligations, but doing more given our background. I think they could certainly provide more data there in regards to numbers but it's not an open border policy.
Would you view that as open border?
LOL
" It says that SF would not put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit"
So in other words their position is that they wouldn't put an upper limit.....which is what I said they said
Quote from: Itchy on August 11, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Why bother!
You guys have your minds made up.
Anyways, I hope you make it safely through the weekend and that there aren't too many cross burning's in your neighborhood give all the racists about
There must be quite a few visually impaired people in Ireland too because if they think Albanians and Georgians are a different race
But maybe they self identify as people of color, so Itchy may be on to something
Are you now claiming that I said Albanians were a race? Because I didnt. In fact, I have never mentioned Albanians (or Georgians). Same with the quote you attributed to me earlier - a total lie that you ran away from when challenged.
You said that people who wanted to limit the number of refugees were racists so it's a logical conclusion on my part that Albanians must be some special race
No, I said you were a racist and I stand by that based on your shite talk on here. I never mentioned "people" and I never mentioned Albanians, Georgians etc either. Your conclusion isn't logical, it is stupid much like the rest of the garbage you come out with.
No
According to you folks on here if you are against unlimited numbers of refugees being admitted-you're a racist l-yet Most of the refugees are white
FFS I think Uranians might actually be actual Caucasians or pretty darn close to it
So I'll ask you again-what race are the Albanians and the Georgians
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
Could I please get another 75%-85% post please?
75% - 85% of Whiteys posts are about the 75% - 85% poll. Coincidence? I dont think so, the great replacement is upon us.
Facts are a great inconvenience aren't they?
Put a poll up here Whitey, see how that goes
Why bother!
You guys have your minds made up.
Anyways, I hope you make it safely through the weekend and that there aren't too many cross burning's in your neighborhood give all the racists about
There must be quite a few visually impaired people in Ireland too because if they think Albanians and Georgians are a different race
But maybe they self identify as people of color, so Itchy may be on to something
Are you now claiming that I said Albanians were a race? Because I didnt. In fact, I have never mentioned Albanians (or Georgians). Same with the quote you attributed to me earlier - a total lie that you ran away from when challenged.
You said that people who wanted to limit the number of refugees were racists so it's a logical conclusion on my part that Albanians must be some special race
No, I said you were a racist and I stand by that based on your shite talk on here. I never mentioned "people" and I never mentioned Albanians, Georgians etc either. Your conclusion isn't logical, it is stupid much like the rest of the garbage you come out with.
No
According to you folks on here if you are against unlimited numbers of refugees being admitted-you're a racist l-yet Most of the refugees are white
FFS I think Uranians might actually be actual Caucasians or pretty darn close to it
So I'll ask you again-what race are the Albanians and the Georgians
You are an imbecile, I've wasted too much time responding to you.
Albanians and Georgians are members of the HUMAN RACE like the rest of us.
I believe they are the main ones whose applications for International Protection * are refused.
91,000 have come from Ukraine since Trumps friend invaded their Country.
* A total of 13,651 people applied for International Protection in 2022. (Obviously they didn't include the 2 million muslims🤣)
Meanwhile the anti Libraries"fascist flotilla" is expected to reach Athlone tonight.
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 06:16:55 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 05:09:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 02:29:52 PM
Put up the link to their current policy
The one I put up was from a few years ago and they stressed that "THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT"
They might have changed their minds, but I'd need to see it
It says that SF would not put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. In the paragraph just before that, it actually stated around 4-5k this year was recommended. They have went on record saying that we should not only be fulfilling our international obligations, but doing more given our background. I think they could certainly provide more data there in regards to numbers but it's not an open border policy.
Would you view that as open border?
LOL
" It says that SF would not put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit"
So in other words their position is that they wouldn't put an upper limit.....which is what I said they said
There's a difference. Read the paragraph. They actually state what the numbers Ireland should be operating at. Does that sound like open borders? Because if that's what you class open borders, then yeah, I'm for open borders.
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it.
That's what they said
That's not me paraphrasing
That's not my interpretation of what they wrote
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 07:13:35 PM
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it.
That's what they said
That's not me paraphrasing
That's not my interpretation of what they wrote
Put a poll up ya buffoon ... surely the GAA supporting members of the board would give you a cross sectional view? North and south
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 07:13:35 PM
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it.
That's what they said
That's not me paraphrasing
That's not my interpretation of what they wrote
Put a poll up ya buffoon ... surely the GAA supporting members of the board would give you a cross sectional view? North and south
I don't need to
We have 2 legitimate polls conducted by professional pollsters
Jaysus - he's still going
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2023, 07:38:38 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 07:13:35 PM
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it.
That's what they said
That's not me paraphrasing
That's not my interpretation of what they wrote
Put a poll up ya buffoon ... surely the GAA supporting members of the board would give you a cross sectional view? North and south
I don't need to
We have 2 legitimate polls conducted by professional pollsters
How many people were polled? What was the demographic of those polled? Who conducted the polls?
Why exactly was asked?
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 07:13:35 PM
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on it.
That's what they said
That's not me paraphrasing
That's not my interpretation of what they wrote
That's my point. They did not say there is no upper limit. They level will depend on circumstances. For example they said we should be increasing our intake of refugees during the Ukrainian war. They have not said there is no limit. They did say however that they'd expect us to take in 4-5k a year. Again is that open border in your eyes?
But they did say it
It's there in black and white
It is important to note that Sinn Féin would not put an upper limit on
Maybe they just aren't very good at speaking English
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. As I've said it will depend on circumstances such as the Ukrainian war where they believe the country should take in more.
Why are you still ignoring my question? I've asked twice already. Is the SF figure of 4-5k open border in your view.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. As I've said it will depend on circumstances such as the Ukrainian war where they believe the country should take in more.
Why are you still ignoring my question? I've asked twice already. Is the SF figure of 4-5k open border in your view.
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on itYes-That's what they said.
Sinn Fein
wouldn't put an upper limit on the number of refugees-that is their stated position on the matter
If there was an upper limit imposed by someone else-they would obviously object to it because as you said "They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it"
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. As I've said it will depend on circumstances such as the Ukrainian war where they believe the country should take in more.
Why are you still ignoring my question? I've asked twice already. Is the SF figure of 4-5k open border in your view.
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it
Yes-That's what they said.
Sinn Fein wouldn't put an upper limit on the number of refugees-that is their stated position on the matter
If there was an upper limit imposed by someone else-they would obviously object to it because as you said "They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it"
We're obviously not going to reach a consensus on this. And you don't seem to want to answer my other question so I think we'd be as well parking it.
SF's recent manifesto (2020) has nothing about borders, open or otherwise. So even allowing for your interpretation, it was nearly 10 years ago. Nothing to make me think they support an open border policy.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. As I've said it will depend on circumstances such as the Ukrainian war where they believe the country should take in more.
Why are you still ignoring my question? I've asked twice already. Is the SF figure of 4-5k open border in your view.
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it
Yes-That's what they said.
Sinn Fein wouldn't put an upper limit on the number of refugees-that is their stated position on the matter
If there was an upper limit imposed by someone else-they would obviously object to it because as you said "They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it"
We're obviously not going to reach a consensus on this. And you don't seem to want to answer my other question so I think we'd be as well parking it.
SF's recent manifesto (2020) has nothing about borders, open or otherwise. So even allowing for your interpretation, it was nearly 10 years ago. Nothing to make me think they support an open border policy.
So unless they have updated their position on refugees, wouldn't their prior position still stand?
No the 4-5,000 figure is not open borders, but the very next sentences makes quite clear they are opposed to placing a limit-so in essence the 4-5000 figure is irrelevant
More importantly though, would issuing a guide if 4-5000 not be blatantly "racist", if we use the definition being bandied about here
What nice sf let in the 2 million you stated ;D then I'll have to say something ;D
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Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. As I've said it will depend on circumstances such as the Ukrainian war where they believe the country should take in more.
Why are you still ignoring my question? I've asked twice already. Is the SF figure of 4-5k open border in your view.
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it
Yes-That's what they said.
Sinn Fein wouldn't put an upper limit on the number of refugees-that is their stated position on the matter
If there was an upper limit imposed by someone else-they would obviously object to it because as you said "They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it"
We're obviously not going to reach a consensus on this. And you don't seem to want to answer my other question so I think we'd be as well parking it.
SF's recent manifesto (2020) has nothing about borders, open or otherwise. So even allowing for your interpretation, it was nearly 10 years ago. Nothing to make me think they support an open border policy.
So unless they have updated their position on refugees, wouldn't their prior position still stand?
No the 4-5,000 figure is not open borders, but the very next sentences makes quite clear they are opposed to placing a limit-so in essence the 4-5000 figure is irrelevant
More importantly though, would issuing a guide if 4-5000 not be blatantly "racist", if we use the definition being bandied about here
I don't believe it does mAke it irrelevant. It's quite clear to me where they believe the level should be. They've given a figure. But we're going round in circles.
I never called anyone racist.
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Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 11, 2023, 09:49:02 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 11, 2023, 09:36:58 PM
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it. Not that there is no upper limit. As I've said it will depend on circumstances such as the Ukrainian war where they believe the country should take in more.
Why are you still ignoring my question? I've asked twice already. Is the SF figure of 4-5k open border in your view.
They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it
Yes-That's what they said.
Sinn Fein wouldn't put an upper limit on the number of refugees-that is their stated position on the matter
If there was an upper limit imposed by someone else-they would obviously object to it because as you said "They said they wouldn't put an upper limit on it"
We're obviously not going to reach a consensus on this. And you don't seem to want to answer my other question so I think we'd be as well parking it.
SF's recent manifesto (2020) has nothing about borders, open or otherwise. So even allowing for your interpretation, it was nearly 10 years ago. Nothing to make me think they support an open border policy.
So unless they have updated their position on refugees, wouldn't their prior position still stand?
No the 4-5,000 figure is not open borders, but the very next sentences makes quite clear they are opposed to placing a limit-so in essence the 4-5000 figure is irrelevant
More importantly though, would issuing a guide if 4-5000 not be blatantly "racist", if we use the definition being bandied about here
I don't believe it does mAke it irrelevant. It's quite clear to me where they believe the level should be. They've given a figure. But we're going round in circles.
I never called anyone racist.
Other people did, but not you.
You can actually discuss a topic without resorting g to insults
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Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2023, 01:19:33 PM
Why do you indulge this guy??
Absolutely. The racist moron should be put on ignore by everyone (given the mods are typically inept at allowing his racism and utter lies about polls etc)
Just put him on ignore and then everyone can have a sensible conversation. He's laughing at everyone who indulges his racism. The anti immigrant immigrant. Pure white supremacist who should not be replied to on any subject.
You're like children, unable to cope with what you don't want to hear. Wah, wah, wah. And bleating "racist" at every opportunity (as if that made ye somehow morally superior). Actually, I don't think he is "racist" (whatever that means, these days), and I didn't see any lies, either. However, trying to shut down opposing opinions is what ye lot are all about. Not so 'tolerant', after all, are we?!
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Quote from: Hound on August 14, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2023, 01:19:33 PM
Why do you indulge this guy??
Absolutely. The racist moron should be put on ignore by everyone (given the mods are typically inept at allowing his racism and utter lies about polls etc)
Just put him on ignore and then everyone can have a sensible conversation. He's laughing at everyone who indulges his racism. The anti immigrant immigrant. Pure white supremacist who should not be replied to on any subject.
You're like children, unable to cope with what you don't want to hear. Wah, wah, wah. And bleating "racist" at every opportunity (as if that made ye somehow morally superior). Actually, I don't think he is "racist" (whatever that means, these days), and I didn't see any lies, either. However, trying to shut down opposing opinions is what ye lot are all about. Not so 'tolerant', after all, are we?!
He is a racist and so are you.
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on August 15, 2023, 08:20:59 AM
Quote from: Hound on August 14, 2023, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 11, 2023, 01:19:33 PM
Why do you indulge this guy??
Absolutely. The racist moron should be put on ignore by everyone (given the mods are typically inept at allowing his racism and utter lies about polls etc)
Just put him on ignore and then everyone can have a sensible conversation. He's laughing at everyone who indulges his racism. The anti immigrant immigrant. Pure white supremacist who should not be replied to on any subject.
You're like children, unable to cope with what you don't want to hear. Wah, wah, wah. And bleating "racist" at every opportunity (as if that made ye somehow morally superior). Actually, I don't think he is "racist" (whatever that means, these days), and I didn't see any lies, either. However, trying to shut down opposing opinions is what ye lot are all about. Not so 'tolerant', after all, are we?!
He is a racist and so are you.
Ah well, at least you've learned how to spell it. Good little boy!!
It's the oldest trick in the book
Shut down debate by accusing people of being racist if they disagree with you. Keep in mind 75-85 % of people polled on the matter, disagree with them.
In this case it's even more laughable because Albanians and Georgians are actually white
To top it off, Sinn Feins written policy actually states that there should be a cap of between 4-5000....following the "logic" on here.....they must be the biggest racists of the lot (of course Sinn Fein have an asterisk after that number which allows unlimited numbers of refugees, but talking out of both sides of their mouths isn't anything new to them)
Quote from: whitey on August 15, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
It's the oldest trick in the book
Shut down debate by accusing people of being racist if they disagree with you. Keep in mind 75-85 % of people polled on the matter, disagree with them.
In this case it's even more laughable because Albanians and Georgians are actually white
To top it off, Sinn Feins written policy actually states that there should be a cap of between 4-5000....following the "logic" on here.....they must be the biggest racists of the lot (of course Sinn Fein have an asterisk after that number which allows unlimited numbers of refugees, but talking out of both sides of their mouths isn't anything new to them)
You're a racist and a parrot
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2023, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 15, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
It's the oldest trick in the book
Shut down debate by accusing people of being racist if they disagree with you. Keep in mind 75-85 % of people polled on the matter, disagree with them.
In this case it's even more laughable because Albanians and Georgians are actually white
To top it off, Sinn Feins written policy actually states that there should be a cap of between 4-5000....following the "logic" on here.....they must be the biggest racists of the lot (of course Sinn Fein have an asterisk after that number which allows unlimited numbers of refugees, but talking out of both sides of their mouths isn't anything new to them)
You're a racist and a parrot
Did you win any awards for your discovery of the 2 new races?
Quote from: whitey on August 15, 2023, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2023, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 15, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
It's the oldest trick in the book
Shut down debate by accusing people of being racist if they disagree with you. Keep in mind 75-85 % of people polled on the matter, disagree with them.
In this case it's even more laughable because Albanians and Georgians are actually white
To top it off, Sinn Feins written policy actually states that there should be a cap of between 4-5000....following the "logic" on here.....they must be the biggest racists of the lot (of course Sinn Fein have an asterisk after that number which allows unlimited numbers of refugees, but talking out of both sides of their mouths isn't anything new to them)
You're a racist and a parrot
Did you win any awards for your discovery of the 2 new races?
I did, I got 75% to 85% percent of the vote despite never having entered the competition
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2023, 01:32:32 PM
Quote from: whitey on August 15, 2023, 01:08:33 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 15, 2023, 11:53:13 AM
Quote from: whitey on August 15, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
It's the oldest trick in the book
Shut down debate by accusing people of being racist if they disagree with you. Keep in mind 75-85 % of people polled on the matter, disagree with them.
In this case it's even more laughable because Albanians and Georgians are actually white
To top it off, Sinn Feins written policy actually states that there should be a cap of between 4-5000....following the "logic" on here.....they must be the biggest racists of the lot (of course Sinn Fein have an asterisk after that number which allows unlimited numbers of refugees, but talking out of both sides of their mouths isn't anything new to them)
You're a racist and a parrot
Did you win any awards for your discovery of the 2 new races?
I did, I got 75% to 85% percent of the vote despite never having entered the competition
I think they call that affirmative action
Immigrants at it again
https://twitter.com/TwixBandit69/status/1691449433102458881?t=d7hYxW6UV21mZXJJN8bdOA&s=19
Leo now saying Ireland is Full
https://www.newstalk.com/news/varadkar-says-ireland-is-at-capacity-for-refugees-why-is-he-only-realising-this-now-1518443
Didn't Michael Martin reckon some Ukrainians are bypassing other countries to arrive in the south due to a more generous welfare system ?
Quote from: Deerstalker on October 27, 2023, 10:20:09 AMDidn't Michael Martin reckon some Ukrainians are bypassing other countries to arrive in the south due to a more generous welfare system ?
Ireland the land of 1000 welcomes.
https://www.thejournal.ie/micheal-martin-ukraine-refugees-6205741-Oct2023/
Simple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.
Was thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 10:49:03 AMSimple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.
Far left?? Who are they pandering to, its 2 x centre right parties in power ??? Is it not pandering to the EU moreso??
Quote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
At least we be full of Irish then lol
Quote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
Not up to date with economy shite but...
More people in a country can lead to a larger workforce and easier access to labor. More labor will lead to more products being produced which will then cause economic growth. Population growth allows for the expansion of labor and products which then grows the economy.
Yes it will bring in other crap, but if the infrastructure can be sorted, more hospitals, schools, doctors health and education workers surely that could grow the economy and everyone wins?
It's not like there isn't room (outside the cities of course)
The NHS was backboned by foreign workers and brexit has caused a bit of an exodus. The NHS is in a more precarious position because of less foreigners not more foreigners.
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
Why do you want to stop the boats?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
Quote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
People have no ability to think logically about this. A real lack of intelligence. Just Neanderthal thinking.
Quote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Quote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2023, 01:07:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 01:23:30 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2023, 01:07:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
Create a bogeyman, rince and repeat.
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 01:23:30 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2023, 01:07:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
If the cap fits...
As long as the conflicts and refugees are in other countries far away it seems we can verbalise support, even stop buying jaffa oranges, send them aid and so on, flip even march to city hall and complain, but the minute one of those scrounging thieving rapists enter our shores we want them back over from were they came from!
Ah.. just build the wall!!!
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 01:23:30 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2023, 01:07:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
nobody is asking you too
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 10:49:03 AMSimple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.
what benefits do refugees get here that they dont get in France for example
"Three quarters of the World"
6,000,000,000 people....We're not taking or being asked to.
"Far left f*ckwits" the 5 or 6 far left TDs are all in opposition.
Rightwingrudi just can't help himself🙄
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 02:26:16 PMQuote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 10:49:03 AMSimple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.
what benefits do refugees get here that they dont get in France for example
99 Euro per Ukr refugee in France
220 Euro per ukr refugee in Ireland
for a start.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 02:23:13 PMQuote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 01:23:30 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2023, 01:07:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
nobody is asking you too
???
Quote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:28:42 PMQuote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 01:23:30 PMQuote from: armaghniac on October 27, 2023, 01:07:26 PMQuote from: JoG2 on October 27, 2023, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 11:32:52 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 11:28:13 AMQuote from: trailer on October 27, 2023, 11:14:45 AMWas thinking about this the other day. So explain to me this..., if every country adopted this position i.e. Ireland is full and all the Irish that are abroad including 2nd generations came home, children born to Irish parents abroad, surely Ireland would still be full? What's everyone's thoughts on that?
To me this is one of the stupidest stances to take on anything. Complain about lack of services and housing but blaming a few refugees shows how people lack the critical thinking on this issue.
That bit in bold there for me sums it up. It's easy to fool people into thinking their country is creaking because of all these pesky foreigners coming in but all that does is mask over issues. This is what is currently happening in the UK - keep repeating stop the boats like all your problems will go away. Sure NHS problems were to go away when Brexit happened but they're considerably worse.
Very true. But it doesn't need to be mutually exclusive. Should be stopping the boats and sorting out the mess of the nhs.
WTF?
Irish calling for humanitarian aid in Palestine, but low and behold immigrants, who are beyond desperate, might want / need a bit of humanitarian aid on our shores
That is simplistic, there are many people who need help more than many of the immigrants who pitch up on our shores.
Incredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
Create a bogeyman, rince and repeat.
Works both ways - rince and repeat.
No I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
there are no boats full of anyone coming to Armagh mate
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 02:23:13 PMQuote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 01:23:30 PMIncredible you have to explain this to people, but you're either a racist or a neanderthal. Both of these words have by now have lost their meaning, through misuse. We cant take three quarters of the world in.
nobody is asking you too
What number are you asking for?
https://youtu.be/-gT_lkHiuQA?si=XCEDsxebGpmy_6qc
Hardcore white supremacists protesting against migrant shelters in Chicago
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 03:13:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
there are no boats full of anyone coming to Armagh mate
Lol!
Is the terminology not completely wrong here too. They're not illegal immigrants they're asylum seekers. They seek asylum and if they don't get it then at that point they're illegal immigrants?
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 03:13:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
there are no boats full of anyone coming to Armagh mate
The new bridge will stop them sailing up the Newry canal.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 04:40:09 PMIs the terminology not completely wrong here too. They're not illegal immigrants they're asylum seekers. They seek asylum and if they don't get it then at that point they're illegal immigrants?
Correct.
As far as I know there were around 14,000 claimants last year (not 6,000,000,000).
Ukrainians are part of a special arrangement.
The vast majority of foreigners here are Brits, EU citizens, people from other Countries on work permits, (c23,000 issued in 2023)
Yeah it is deliberate language that is used tbh and then people fall for it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 05:32:47 PMYeah it is deliberate language that is used tbh and then people fall for it.
"People fall for it" but not you Tommy, because you're a cleaver clogs. Only gullible plebs would fall for such shite. ::)
Quote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 04:40:09 PMIs the terminology not completely wrong here too. They're not illegal immigrants they're asylum seekers. They seek asylum and if they don't get it then at that point they're illegal immigrants?
They need to be given the chance to appeal and if they fail then they will be removed. If they abscond or whatever them they are out of the process and could be considered as such
Plus, there can be illegal immigrants - I hate that term - who were never asylum seekers in the first place
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 06:35:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 04:40:09 PMIs the terminology not completely wrong here too. They're not illegal immigrants they're asylum seekers. They seek asylum and if they don't get it then at that point they're illegal immigrants?
They need to be given the chance to appeal and if they fail then they will be removed.
Except the removal part barely ever happens.
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 06:02:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 05:32:47 PMYeah it is deliberate language that is used tbh and then people fall for it.
"People fall for it" but not you Tommy, because you're a cleaver clogs. Only gullible plebs would fall for such shite. ::)
Seeing as you're so smart, why don't you elaborate and show your comprehensive understanding of the below. Or failing that, at least try and accurately source and expand on whatever John McGuirk drivel you picked this up from.
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 03:00:38 PM99 Euro per Ukr refugee in France
220 Euro per ukr refugee in Ireland
for a start.
What's that 220e now? Social welfare? Accommodation recognition? I trust you've investigated this thoroughly and will display in depth knowledge of the different support systems in both countries.
Quote from: gallsman on October 27, 2023, 07:24:33 PMQuote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 06:02:55 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 05:32:47 PMYeah it is deliberate language that is used tbh and then people fall for it.
"People fall for it" but not you Tommy, because you're a cleaver clogs. Only gullible plebs would fall for such shite. ::)
Seeing as you're so smart, why don't you elaborate and show your comprehensive understanding of the below. Or failing that, at least try and accurately source and expand on whatever John McGuirk drivel you picked this up from.
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 03:00:38 PM99 Euro per Ukr refugee in France
220 Euro per ukr refugee in Ireland
for a start.
What's that 220e now? Social welfare? Accommodation recognition? I trust you've investigated this thoroughly and will display in depth knowledge of the different support systems in both countries.
You're an angry dude Gallsman. Its incredible the amount of knowledge you have on people you despise ie John Mcguirk and various other "grifters", that's you favourite word. I mean look at your posts on influencers & life coaches on a recent thread. This lads a total grifter & that lads a stupid bollix. If your not into the likes of Mcguirk, why do you bother reading their articles. Just avoid them & you will be happier. You seem to be into misery porn, maybe a form of penance?
Now the 220 euro Ukrainians get, as opposed to 99 in France, the question I ask is why? Maybe you can help me & answer.
By the way I have zero issues with Ukrainians. We have about 300 in our area. Sound people, polite, decent folk. Just cant understand the 220 v 99 when they are provided with meals & accommodation. But hopefully you can explain.
Southern welfare is generous when compared against just about any other country.
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on October 27, 2023, 08:09:53 PMSo he asks you to explain the figures you brought to the discussion and you reply by asking him to explain them.
Subtle.
The figures are from an article from Newstalk quoted in response 966 from Clar..
I would like to see them explained. A possible explanation was offered above in relation to Irelands all ready, high level of social welfare.
I didn't initially bring the figures to the discussion. Tonto asked a direct question, used the article posted by Clar to respond.
Quote from: burdizzo on October 27, 2023, 06:41:41 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 06:35:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 04:40:09 PMIs the terminology not completely wrong here too. They're not illegal immigrants they're asylum seekers. They seek asylum and if they don't get it then at that point they're illegal immigrants?
They need to be given the chance to appeal and if they fail then they will be removed.
Except the removal part barely ever happens.
Except it does. More often then not
Quote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 03:00:38 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 02:26:16 PMQuote from: Rudi on October 27, 2023, 10:49:03 AMSimple question, why are Irelands benefits to refugees so high & not in line with other EU countries, all the while working class & middle class are struggling to pay for food & lodgings. Taking in so many refugees (many of them opportunists), when we cant accommodate ourselves is pure bollix. Hopefully FF/FG are finally beginning to see this & stop pandering to far left f*ckwits.
what benefits do refugees get here that they dont get in France for example
99 Euro per Ukr refugee in France
220 Euro per ukr refugee in Ireland
for a start.
Is that just for Ukrainians? What about refugees from other countries
Approx 39 per adult, approximately 30 euro per child in direct provision. Plus additional benefits, health care etc
Ukrainians treated better.
Quote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 09:24:00 PMQuote from: burdizzo on October 27, 2023, 06:41:41 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on October 27, 2023, 06:35:23 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on October 27, 2023, 04:40:09 PMIs the terminology not completely wrong here too. They're not illegal immigrants they're asylum seekers. They seek asylum and if they don't get it then at that point they're illegal immigrants?
They need to be given the chance to appeal and if they fail then they will be removed.
Except the removal part barely ever happens.
Except it does. More often then not
You're full of it. Hardly anyone gets deported. The figure is something like 7%. Could be slightly more - I posted the exact percentage on this discussion a while ago - but it's certainly way, way less than 20%. Forced deportations are even rarer.
Rwanda won't be full anyway ;D
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2023/1115/1416503-uk-rwanda/
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
Aren't you an Andrew Tate fanboy?
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2023, 07:20:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
Aren't you an Andrew Tate fanboy?
Not really no. Not sure what relevance that would have anyway lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 16, 2023, 10:44:55 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2023, 07:20:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
Aren't you an Andrew Tate fanboy?
Not really no. Not sure what relevance that would have anyway lol
If you have been granted asylum in the republic of Ireland, you are legally not allowed to work for I think 9 months. If you are being held waiting a decision on your asylum request (eg in a direct provision centre) you are not allowed to work. Some of those people are waiting years.
In my experience, the vast majority of the two groups above want to work. In my local town the ones that cant work have joined in the tidy towns effort and and can be seen every weekend helping to tidy, pick rubbish etc They do this to show they are bringing some contribution to their new home.
https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/frequently-asked-questions-on-asylum-and-refugees
Quote from: Itchy on November 17, 2023, 08:09:36 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 16, 2023, 10:44:55 PMQuote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 16, 2023, 07:20:20 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on October 27, 2023, 03:12:16 PMNo I don't want boats full of illegal immigrants coming here. They aren't fleeing wars in France. All for immigration through the proper channels, on the condition that you must get a job.
Maybe I am a far right racist then?
Aren't you an Andrew Tate fanboy?
Not really no. Not sure what relevance that would have anyway lol
If you have been granted asylum in the republic of Ireland, you are legally not allowed to work for I think 9 months. If you are being held waiting a decision on your asylum request (eg in a direct provision centre) you are not allowed to work. Some of those people are waiting years.
In my experience, the vast majority of the two groups above want to work. In my local town the ones that cant work have joined in the tidy towns effort and and can be seen every weekend helping to tidy, pick rubbish etc They do this to show they are bringing some contribution to their new home.
Now now Itchy, don't be letting actual truths get in the way of a good aul lie to stir shit up
;D ;D
Powerful words from Aisling Murphys boyfriend today in court... I wonder is he a far right racist too ?
Describing to the court how he and 23-year-old schoolteacher Murphy had met, and their plans for each other, he said that Ireland was "not safe anymore," and asked: "How can someone come to this country, get social housing, social welfare, not hold down a job of any description and never contribute to society for 10 years?"
"10 years?", he continued. "This is not the country that Ashling and I grew up in and once loved."
No, just a common-sense extremist.
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 17, 2023, 02:30:50 PMPowerful words from Aisling Murphys boyfriend today in court... I wonder is he a far right racist too ?
Describing to the court how he and 23-year-old schoolteacher Murphy had met, and their plans for each other, he said that Ireland was "not safe anymore," and asked: "How can someone come to this country, get social housing, social welfare, not hold down a job of any description and never contribute to society for 10 years?"
"10 years?", he continued. "This is not the country that Ashling and I grew up in and once loved."
Reminds me of the West Wing scene where Toby tells Bartlett how it's a good idea that relatives of victims of crime don't get to decide and mete out punishment.
He's suffering, heartbroken and, of course, perfectly entitled to his opinion. Despite the tragic circumstances, it remains precisely that. His opinion.
Weren't many foreigners about when Larry Murphy was on the rampage.
Weren't many around and wasn't too safe when Marilyn Rynne was murdered.
239 women murdered in the 26 from 1996 to mid 2022.
All by males?
Quote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 05:34:58 PMWeren't many foreigners about when Larry Murphy was on the rampage.
Weren't many around and wasn't too safe when Marilyn Rynne was murdered.
239 women murdered in the 26 from 1996 to mid 2022.
All by males?
Aye sure we have a big enough handlin with our own Larry Murphys without feral lowlifes like Puskas.
The boyfriends statement might actually put a spotlight on Irish spongers as well which would be a good thing imo.
Itchy made a good post yesterday about refugees contributing to society by helping to clean up their local town. Not sure if unemployed natives do this too but they should be made to.
Quote from: clarshack on November 18, 2023, 07:08:23 PMThe boyfriends statement might actually put a spotlight on Irish spongers as well which would be a good thing imo.
Itchy made a good post yesterday about refugees contributing to society by helping to clean up their local town. Not sure if unemployed natives do this too but they should be made to.
I would doubt it. You just go to the doctor and tell them you have a sore back (in his case) it can't be disproved. Anyone that wants a job has one.
Quote from: clarshack on November 18, 2023, 07:08:23 PMThe boyfriends statement might actually put a spotlight on Irish spongers as well which would be a good thing imo.
Itchy made a good post yesterday about refugees contributing to society by helping to clean up their local town. Not sure if unemployed natives do this too but they should be made to.
Fair play to them. It's like everything, you'll have some immigrants that bring a load of good to the country like that and then you'll have some that are a waste of oxygen and do nothing but claim welfare, then you'll have a small minority like the sub human scum who murdered poor Aisling
So what's the answer? Leave the EU? Control your own borders?
Stop welfare across the board for everyone refusing to work, anyone claiming an illness is given a medical to access their condition?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 09:30:24 AMSo what's the answer? Leave the EU? Control your own borders?
Stop welfare across the board for everyone refusing to work, anyone claiming an illness is given a medical to access their condition?
Not sure how we leave the EU without getting shafted like the brits. Second part yes absolutely no brainer
So we have an open border so stop complaining about it, the alternative is brexit style.
The other part should be happening, but across the board, I'd say we have a hell of a lot of spongers, and the government needs to get more from companies that pay next to nothing tax.
Freedom of movement within the EU is the portability of qualifications and the freedom to work anywhere within the EU. There is no right to move for the sake of selecting the best healthcare or welfare system.
The UK did not or pretended they could not control their borders and Brexit was the result.
A Country can control its own borders within the EU. Ireland is in a better position than most in that we are an Island, though it is complicated by the Common travel area.
However to really control our borders we would a national identity system such as ID cards and many of those most against immigration would be equally against at the Government implementing such a system of monitoring the population.
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 17, 2023, 05:53:34 PMQuote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 05:34:58 PMWeren't many foreigners about when Larry Murphy was on the rampage.
Weren't many around and wasn't too safe when Marilyn Rynne was murdered.
239 women murdered in the 26 from 1996 to mid 2022.
All by males?
Aye sure we have a big enough handlin with our own Larry Murphys without feral lowlifes like Puskas.
The Larry Murphys of the world are a minority. The lowlifes like Puskas are an even smaller minority. The vast majority of women murdered in Ireland in the last 30 years were by people very close to them, husbands, boyfriends, ex husbands or boyfriends or sons. Even a lot of the murders by non Irish men are were carried out by boyfriends or husbands of non Irish women.
The biggest problem of violence against women is that there has been a historic 'acceptance' of domestic violence whether we like it or not, a lot of that directly linked to alcohol over use. How many of the murders over the years have had a history of him giving her a few slaps when the drink was in and this becoming par for the course. Before we get on our high horses about the scum from other countries coming here we have societal problems within our locals to acknowledge and sort out first.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on November 19, 2023, 11:00:11 AMQuote from: Kidder81 on November 17, 2023, 05:53:34 PMQuote from: Rossfan on November 17, 2023, 05:34:58 PMWeren't many foreigners about when Larry Murphy was on the rampage.
Weren't many around and wasn't too safe when Marilyn Rynne was murdered.
239 women murdered in the 26 from 1996 to mid 2022.
All by males?
Aye sure we have a big enough handlin with our own Larry Murphys without feral lowlifes like Puskas.
The Larry Murphys of the world are a minority. The lowlifes like Puskas are an even smaller minority. The vast majority of women murdered in Ireland in the last 30 years were by people very close to them, husbands, boyfriends, ex husbands or boyfriends or sons. Even a lot of the murders by non Irish men are were carried out by boyfriends or husbands of non Irish women.
The biggest problem of violence against women is that there has been a historic 'acceptance' of domestic violence whether we like it or not, a lot of that directly linked to alcohol over use. How many of the murders over the years have had a history of him giving her a few slaps when the drink was in and this becoming par for the course. Before we get on our high horses about the scum from other countries coming here we have societal problems within our locals to acknowledge and sort out first.
+1
Re Larry Murphy watched a documentary on Sky recently re murders / disappearance of woman in Ireland in the early / mid 90s tragic stuff.
Indeed - we should sort out our own problems before taking in those of the world. And even when we have sorted them out, why then take in those of the world?!
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 12:57:51 PMIndeed - we should sort out our own problems before taking in those of the world. And even when we have sorted them out, why then take in those of the world?!
Because Ireland is part of the EU?
Are you looking to do a brexit?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 01:19:10 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 12:57:51 PMIndeed - we should sort out our own problems before taking in those of the world. And even when we have sorted them out, why then take in those of the world?!
Because Ireland is part of the EU?
Are you looking to do a brexit?
I said "world", not "EU". Even then, we're not in Schengen, so we should be able to exercise more control over who comes in. Of course, the political will is not there to do that.
You can't cherry pick the good things and dish the stuff you don't like..
We've been the scum of the earth for many years, "no blacks no Irish"
Will we put up similar signs at ports airports accommodation around the country?
The converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 02:56:40 PMThe converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
Will we be able to take back our own from other countries then?
Should we just accept that if we kick out non Irish that it's ok for other countries follow suit?
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 01:25:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 01:19:10 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 12:57:51 PMIndeed - we should sort out our own problems before taking in those of the world. And even when we have sorted them out, why then take in those of the world?!
Because Ireland is part of the EU?
Are you looking to do a brexit?
I said "world", not "EU". Even then, we're not in Schengen, so we should be able to exercise more control over who comes in. Of course, the political will is not there to do that.
Never mind who's coming in, can we let you out?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 02:56:40 PMThe converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
Will we be able to take back our own from other countries then?
Should we just accept that if we kick out non Irish that it's ok for other countries follow suit?
Fine.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 02:56:40 PMThe converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
You don't give a shit about our own, you're just a racist.
Good boy, lenny.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 05:52:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 02:56:40 PMThe converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
Will we be able to take back our own from other countries then?
Should we just accept that if we kick out non Irish that it's ok for other countries follow suit?
Fine.
Fine? Have you actually thought it out in your head? The practicalities the reality of what you're looking for?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 07:48:53 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 05:52:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 02:56:40 PMThe converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
Will we be able to take back our own from other countries then?
Should we just accept that if we kick out non Irish that it's ok for other countries follow suit?
Fine.
Fine? Have you actually thought it out in your head? The practicalities the reality of what you're looking for?
It's never gonna happen in a million years lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 19, 2023, 07:53:43 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 07:48:53 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 05:52:21 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 03:51:01 PMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 02:56:40 PMThe converse will mean being overwhelmed. Look after your own first.
Will we be able to take back our own from other countries then?
Should we just accept that if we kick out non Irish that it's ok for other countries follow suit?
Fine.
Fine? Have you actually thought it out in your head? The practicalities the reality of what you're looking for?
It's never gonna happen in a million years lol
I know, but it should.
The practicalities? Makes far more sense to be encouraging Irish emigrants to come home (and there are some schemes which do this), than to import loads of culturally incompatible immigrants who, let's face it, don't really have any stake in Irish heritage or society as it is. We continue on this path, and in 50 years time - perhaps less - Irish people will be a minority. Yippee. Is that 'practical'? Of course, another option is to increase the fertility rate, and not encourage gender dystopia, homosexuality, abortion, etc. I know, I know - some of ye won't be able to contain yourselves. Sheesh. However, it is a fact that mass immigration is here because we "need" (apparently) a growing economy, and that requires a growing population. So, either get mass immigration, and quickly lose cohesiveness as a society, or encourage a fertility rate at or above replacement levels. But the former option is the quick fix that most of the rest of Europe is at, and, shure, we may as well just go along with that.
Nobody encourages abortion ffs
Does any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
Quote from: thebigfella on November 19, 2023, 11:04:58 PMNobody encourages abortion ffs
Our abortion legislation is pretty liberal. Having to go to England to get one was a way of discouraging it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
The CSO found that, as of June 6, 84,613 people from Ukraine have arrived in Ireland as refugees since Russia began its war on Ukraine in February 2022.
Ireland refugee statistics for 2022 was 81,256.00, a 748.98% increase from 2021. Ireland refugee statistics for 2021 was 9,571.00, a 5.93% increase from 2020. Ireland refugee statistics for 2020 was 9,035.00, a 15.91% increase from 2019.
The majority illegal immigrants reside unknown to the authorities. No official data exist on the size of this group and estimates are difficult. In 2020 the NGO, Migrant Rights Centre Ireland, estimated that there were 17,000 – 20,000 undocumented persons in the State, including 2,000 – 3,000 children.
These figures are going one way only. In a generation there won't be many family tress confined to the Island.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:30:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
So you don't have credible link to back up that claim? You are obviously basing it on some information??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2023, 12:25:00 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:30:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
So you don't have credible link to back up that claim? You are obviously basing it on some information??
He's been reading too much mein kampf
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:24:17 PMQuote from: thebigfella on November 19, 2023, 11:04:58 PMNobody encourages abortion ffs
Our abortion legislation is pretty liberal. Having to go to England to get one was a way of discouraging it.
Not it isn't and you can't just claim every thing you don't agree with is too Liberal.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:24:17 PMQuote from: thebigfella on November 19, 2023, 11:04:58 PMNobody encourages abortion ffs
Our abortion legislation is pretty liberal. Having to go to England to get one was a way of discouraging it.
Would have been more liberal way earlier had the availability of abortions in England not been present. But even then the option was within fairly handy reach, so the 5000 abortions/year could just be ignored as we went about our grand wee existence.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:30:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
Do we consider the travelling community Irish?
Yes.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2023, 12:25:00 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:30:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
So you don't have credible link to back up that claim? You are obviously basing it on some information??
He's basing it on what he sees around him. Why does there have to be a link? Can people not think for themselves anymore.
Do the Maths.
Census 2022 - Irish and Non-Irish Citizenship (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpsr/censusofpopulation2022-summaryresults/migrationanddiversity/)
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 20, 2023, 09:56:51 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2023, 12:25:00 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:30:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
So you don't have credible link to back up that claim? You are obviously basing it on some information??
He's basing it on what he sees around him. Why does there have to be a link? Can people not think for themselves anymore.
Do the Maths.
Census 2022 - Irish and Non-Irish Citizenship (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpsr/censusofpopulation2022-summaryresults/migrationanddiversity/)
You worried?
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 20, 2023, 09:56:51 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2023, 12:25:00 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 19, 2023, 11:30:23 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on November 19, 2023, 11:10:44 PMDoes any Irish citizen have any stake heritage wise in any county the reside in outside of here?
So in 50 years time you actually believe that in Ireland there will be more foreigners/refugees/immigrants than Irish?
What complete crap! Talk me through that one please
We have a small population to start with, so big amounts of immigration will dilute it more than it would in countries with large populations, e.g. Britain or Germany. In the last 20 years, we've gone from a pretty homogenous country, to having 20% non-Irish. Extrapolate forward? I think it more amazing to think that people reckon it'll never happen. Talk about burying your head in the sand. It might not be 50 years, it might be 60 years. Could be less, even. But certainly by 2100.
So you don't have credible link to back up that claim? You are obviously basing it on some information??
He's basing it on what he sees around him. Why does there have to be a link? Can people not think for themselves anymore.
Do the Maths.
Census 2022 - Irish and Non-Irish Citizenship (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cpsr/censusofpopulation2022-summaryresults/migrationanddiversity/)
I do the maths and read 12% non Irish in 2022, 3% not stated.
Is there any research to support the claims made that non Irish born will be in a majority in 50/60/70 years time? I don't take serious just any crackpot sounding random claim made by people who just make stuff up based on what they see around them. Imagine your Ireland view if you lived in Tyrone?
Anything I have come across predicts Ireland's population growth will diminish in all areas after 2030 and flatten off after 2047
Since citizenship is handed out fairly handily, I think it's better to look at numbers born outside the country - and that stands at 20%.
Is there any research? Yes, there is. Here's a link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517
Personally, I'm not sure those predictions are right. However, and as I mentioned in this thread before, you only have to look at what's happening in the cities in Britain to see that the demographics are only going one way.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 20, 2023, 11:43:11 PMSince citizenship is handed out fairly handily, I think it's better to look at numbers born outside the country - and that stands at 20%.
Is there any research? Yes, there is. Here's a link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517
Personally, I'm not sure those predictions are right. However, and as I mentioned in this thread before, you only have to look at what's happening in the cities in Britain to see that the demographics are only going one way.
What is happening in the cities in the UK, too many darkies is it?
Quote from: Itchy on November 21, 2023, 08:35:52 AMQuote from: burdizzo on November 20, 2023, 11:43:11 PMSince citizenship is handed out fairly handily, I think it's better to look at numbers born outside the country - and that stands at 20%.
Is there any research? Yes, there is. Here's a link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517
Personally, I'm not sure those predictions are right. However, and as I mentioned in this thread before, you only have to look at what's happening in the cities in Britain to see that the demographics are only going one way.
What is happening in the cities in the UK, too many darkies is it?
I'd say NF-lite above hasn't strayed too much from his mother's teet
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Quote from: burdizzo on November 20, 2023, 11:43:11 PMSince citizenship is handed out fairly handily, I think it's better to look at numbers born outside the country - and that stands at 20%.
Is there any research? Yes, there is. Here's a link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517
Personally, I'm not sure those predictions are right. However, and as I mentioned in this thread before, you only have to look at what's happening in the cities in Britain to see that the demographics are only going one way.
Quote from: burdizzo on November 20, 2023, 11:43:11 PMSince citizenship is handed out fairly handily, I think it's better to look at numbers born outside the country - and that stands at 20%.
Is there any research? Yes, there is. Here's a link: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-could-be-minority-ethnic-group-here-by-2050-professor-1.424517
Personally, I'm not sure those predictions are right. However, and as I mentioned in this thread before, you only have to look at what's happening in the cities in Britain to see that the demographics are only going one way.
You did read this report? Its all positive.. Though it seems people would prefer Ireland to fail rather than grow with a more diverse society. People are strange
Sad state of affairs this evening in Dublin City Center.
News reports point to the anti-immigrant fascists as being the culprits, probably fed up with people laughing at their badly misspelled spray painted slogans and devoid of any rational protest ideology have turned to ugly street violence in a desperate attempt to further their cause. I love to hear the sweet sounds of Garda truncheons smashing fascist skulls (a la Lansdowne road riot 1995).I hope Drew the nordie tyrant doesn't disappoint.
Quote from: Main Street on November 23, 2023, 10:41:22 PMNews reports point to the anti-immigrant fascists as being the culprits, probably fed up with people laughing at their badly misspelled spray painted slogans and devoid of any rational protest ideology have turned to ugly street violence in a desperate attempt to further their cause. I love to hear the sweet sounds of Garda truncheons smashing fascist skulls (a la Lansdowne road riot 1995).I hope Drew the nordie tyrant doesn't disappoint.
And you believe the "news reports"? LOL
Whitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2023, 10:59:51 PMWhitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
Look at which parties that dominated this constituency during the last election
Probably the furthest from far right you could find
People have legitimate concerns but no one is listening to them
I wonder if 5 people got stabbed in Foxrock of Castleknock would we see a change on tone from the govt ?
Quote from: whitey on November 23, 2023, 11:05:40 PMQuote from: Itchy on November 23, 2023, 10:59:51 PMWhitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
Look at which parties that dominated this constituency during the last election
Probably the furthest from far right you could find
People have legitimate concerns but no one is listening to them
I wonder if 5 people got stabbed in Foxrock of Castleknock would we see a change on tone from the govt ?
Funny I seem to remember your take on the BLM riots as slightly different. Maybe they didn't have legitimate concerns....
Quote from: whitey on November 23, 2023, 11:05:40 PMQuote from: Itchy on November 23, 2023, 10:59:51 PMWhitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
Look at which parties that dominated this constituency during the last election
Probably the furthest from far right you could find
People have legitimate concerns but no one is listening to them
I wonder if 5 people got stabbed in Foxrock of Castleknock would we see a change on tone from the govt ?
People don't express their legitimate concerns about immigration by rioting and looting
Elections and Democracy are pesky tho
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 23, 2023, 11:12:57 PMQuote from: whitey on November 23, 2023, 11:05:40 PMQuote from: Itchy on November 23, 2023, 10:59:51 PMWhitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
Look at which parties that dominated this constituency during the last election
Probably the furthest from far right you could find
People have legitimate concerns but no one is listening to them
I wonder if 5 people got stabbed in Foxrock of Castleknock would we see a change on tone from the govt ?
Funny I seem to remember your take on the BLM riots as slightly different. Maybe they didn't have legitimate concerns....
Where or when have I said that what happened in Dublin tonight was justified?
I said the Gardai needed to deescalate...........because they obviously aren't equipped to deal with level of disorder. This crowd could double or quadruple in minutes if the Guards were seen to be over the top.I saw one video of a lone guard getting thumped around the place (and when his mate came along to help him, they threw his Garda bike into the river)
And 100% absolutely, the BLM movement was right to take to the streets after the George Floyd murder, but when mobs started destroying before and behind them thats when I said the cops needed to restore order. (just taking Chicago as an example.......19 people were shot to death that one weekend. The Democratic Governor deployed the National Guard at the request of the African American Democratic Mayor of Chicago. So were they right wing extremists?)
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2023, 10:59:51 PMWhitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
Well said.
Quote from: Itchy on November 23, 2023, 10:59:51 PMWhitey knows who is responsible all the way from yank land.
This is a bunch of utter scum cheered on by the far right. They are currently saving Irelands women and children by attacking unarmed police, burning cop cars, buses and Luas trams.
The far right prey on idiots and whitey and other on here are easy prey.
But the blame for this goes to the minister and Garda chief who have given light touch policing to these utter scum and now look where we are. They should have been beaten of the road months ago.
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The knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.
Quote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.
Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?
I have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2023, 06:45:32 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.
They definitely contribute heavily as they are often working in construction, bars etc. Look st the positive impact the irish had on America and in Australia. They cant go and claim benefits in other countries so they have to work. The may socialize with their own sometimes as their believe system and language are often the same they integrate far better than say a non English speaking person who moves into an English speaking country.
I know lots of irish people in Australia, America and Canada who have married locals and who make friends. That is intergrating.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 04:15:56 AMQuote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.
Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?
The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 07:59:57 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2023, 06:45:32 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.
They definitely contribute heavily as they are often working in construction, bars etc. Look st the positive impact the irish had on America and in Australia. They cant go and claim benefits in other countries so they have to work. The may socialize with their own sometimes as their believe system and language are often the same they integrate far better than say a non English speaking person who moves into an English speaking country.
I know lots of irish people in Australia, America and Canada who have married locals and who make friends. That is intergrating.
That's great. The same happens here too though. There are loads of marriages here between Irish and non Irish.
There are plenty of foreigners who contribute heavily though. The NHS up north and in the UK was pretty much kept afloat and one of many reasons it's falling apart is foreign workers leaving post brexit(if there is sucj a thing as post brexit). The Aisling Murphy case highlighted a guy that was claiming benefits which fueled the argument about people coming in claiming benefits.
I would agree with your comment regarding calling people racists. It's very easy to call it that rather than have a debate. A lot don't fall into that category though unfortunately there are a few posts, isolated to a very small few here, which fall into the racist category too on the flip side.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 08:40:49 AMThere are plenty of foreigners who contribute heavily though. The NHS up north and in the UK was pretty much kept afloat and one of many reasons it's falling apart is foreign workers leaving post brexit(if there is sucj a thing as post brexit). The Aisling Murphy case highlighted a guy that was claiming benefits which fueled the argument about people coming in claiming benefits.
I would agree with your comment regarding calling people racists. It's very easy to call it that rather than have a debate. A lot don't fall into that category though unfortunately there are a few posts, isolated to a very small few here, which fall into the racist category too on the flip side.
What bit of a health service we have left (north and south) would be 10x worse off without foreigners, been like that for years.
Is it racist to want to only allow people like that in and not allow the likes of Aisling Murphys killer and other low lifes in who don't/won't work?
The economy would collapse in Dublin and Ireland without immigrants. Especially the hospitality industry. Health, education and social care all rely heavily on immigrants.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 08:48:32 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 08:40:49 AMThere are plenty of foreigners who contribute heavily though. The NHS up north and in the UK was pretty much kept afloat and one of many reasons it's falling apart is foreign workers leaving post brexit(if there is sucj a thing as post brexit). The Aisling Murphy case highlighted a guy that was claiming benefits which fueled the argument about people coming in claiming benefits.
I would agree with your comment regarding calling people racists. It's very easy to call it that rather than have a debate. A lot don't fall into that category though unfortunately there are a few posts, isolated to a very small few here, which fall into the racist category too on the flip side.
What bit of a health service we have left (north and south) would be 10x worse off without foreigners, been like that for years.
Is it racist to want to only allow people like that in and not allow the likes of Aisling Murphys killer and other low lifes in who don't/won't work?
If we stopped giving away money, housing, benefits to workshy people, allowed migrants to work straight away, plus they have no entitlement to benefits until they have worked over ten years, then you might get a reduction of people coming in.
The carnage last night completely overshadows the agony of what happened at that school, on the radio this morning on the way into work, the media's first two questions for the police were blaming them for not doing enough!!!
The media is just trash, not once did they ask about the welfare of the people injured in those questions, not one f**k given
My simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
It's a difficult problem though. Let's say someone comes in without any previous track record and then commits a heinous crime how at the point in time of letting that person in was anyone to know whether they would contribute greatly to society or go on to be a monster?
No it's not necessarily. There are some posts that stray into racist territory. They're very isolated tbh.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 07:59:57 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2023, 06:45:32 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
No they don't. For the most part the socialise exclusively with other Irish people. They play Irish sports, go out in Irish bars, go to special food places which import Irish food. I know several, including family members.
They definitely contribute heavily as they are often working in construction, bars etc. Look st the positive impact the irish had on America and in Australia. They cant go and claim benefits in other countries so they have to work. The may socialize with their own sometimes as their believe system and language are often the same they integrate far better than say a non English speaking person who moves into an English speaking country.
I know lots of irish people in Australia, America and Canada who have married locals and who make friends. That is intergrating.
I am sorry to break this to you but your post is racist. You are implying that Irish people who go abroad all integrate, work hard etc while the pesky foreigners that come here don't integrate and I presume go around attacking people. Is this a fair claim? How do we measure "integration"? My local GAA and soccer clubs have Ukranians, Algerians etc playing with them. I work work with lots of foreigners, hard working family people. I see lots of Irish that never work, go from dole office to the betting shop (never see foreigners doing that). I see Irish people on the TV committing crime in other countries and I see foreigners committing crime in Ireland. I put it to you that you see what you want to see to back up your own internal bias.
A small number of far right as I said earlier prey on people like you as you are easy target with your already established bias that its all the foreigners fault. If there were no foreigners you'd be blaming people from Derry or the people from the next parish.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Quote from: Itchy on November 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.
Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.
Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.
Two people just replied to you, nobody mentioned racism anywhere
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:48:52 AMTwo people just replied to you, nobody mentioned racism anywhere
Replied with absolutely no commments or suggestions on how to improve the current situation. Only comments about tories and brexit when are irrelevant to this.
Whats your suggestions to improve the situation or are you happy with it currently ?
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 09:44:59 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.
Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.
Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.
By improving the country you mean keeping the undesirables out?
was it not suppose to be just ukranian women and children. Did anyone ever explain why it ended up busloads of men. I thought they were not allowed to leave ukraine.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 09:44:59 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.
Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.
Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.
Agree it's got to the stage it's ridiculous.
If the extremists on the left keep on shouting racist and bigot at everyone without having proper debate on key issues and when you look at what happened in Argentina and Holland this week then these idiots are going to end up being partly responsible for putting a Far Right party into power in the South.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
Right so are you implying we need to install a new border post at Aughnacloy?
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 09:55:38 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:48:52 AMTwo people just replied to you, nobody mentioned racism anywhere
Replied with absolutely no commments or suggestions on how to improve the current situation. Only comments about tories and brexit when are irrelevant to this.
Whats your suggestions to improve the situation or are you happy with it currently ?
What situation is this tho - the real situation or the exaggerated hysterical one pushed by right wing bullshitters?
Plus, like yourself I assume, I live in NI not Dublin.
750k foreign nationals in Ireland
1.5 million Irish foreigners abroad
We have a emigration problem, not an immigration problem
Quote from: clarshack on November 24, 2023, 10:15:24 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 09:44:59 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.
Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.
Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.
Agree it's got to the stage it's ridiculous.
If the extremists on the left keep on shouting racist and bigot at everyone without having proper debate on key issues and when you look at what happened in Argentina and Holland this week then these idiots are going to end up being partly responsible for putting a Far Right party into power in the South.
I agree to an extend. But it works both ways. If some of the posts are challenged on here you get the "far left" response instead of actually debating the issue. Both sides seem to be incapable of discussing the issue reasonably. And the reality is somewhere in between. Immigration is required, and at times the right thing to do. Should it be more regulated? Yes. Is it possible to have complete control over that. No. It will be an imperfect system.
People crying that Ireland isn't recognisable as the country it once was are completely right. Unfortunately we can't blame all that on immigrants.
Quote from: the goal was on on November 24, 2023, 10:09:50 AMwas it not suppose to be just ukranian women and children. Did anyone ever explain why it ended up busloads of men. I thought they were not allowed to leave ukraine.
Take yer tablets and go back to bed!
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2023, 10:52:23 AMQuote from: the goal was on on November 24, 2023, 10:09:50 AMwas it not suppose to be just ukranian women and children. Did anyone ever explain why it ended up busloads of men. I thought they were not allowed to leave ukraine.
Take yer tablets and go back to bed!
;D.. The Internet is equal measures great / a cesspit
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 24, 2023, 10:30:21 AMQuote from: clarshack on November 24, 2023, 10:15:24 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 09:44:59 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.
Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.
Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.
Agree it's got to the stage it's ridiculous.
If the extremists on the left keep on shouting racist and bigot at everyone without having proper debate on key issues and when you look at what happened in Argentina and Holland this week then these idiots are going to end up being partly responsible for putting a Far Right party into power in the South.
I agree to an extend. But it works both ways. If some of the posts are challenged on here you get the "far left" response instead of actually debating the issue. Both sides seem to be incapable of discussing the issue reasonably. And the reality is somewhere in between. Immigration is required, and at times the right thing to do. Should it be more regulated? Yes. Is it possible to have complete control over that. No. It will be an imperfect system.
People crying that Ireland isn't recognisable as the country it once was are completely right. Unfortunately we can't blame all that on immigrants.
The truth is as always somewhere in the middle.
But the neck on these little toerags blaming immigrants for the fact they don't have a job/ house/ car is the biggest falsehood. Totally akin to the Brexit voters in England, no intention of ever working, always expecting to have their dole and benefits and contributing zero to the community or society in general other than producing more generations with the same entitled attitude.
I have more sympathy for those people in Ireland actually working and struggling to get a house for their family., struggling to pay their bills and looking at the perceived easy ride that immigrants are getting at the moment. These people have a case to be asking questions of the Government.
But these were not the people on the streets last night.
Exactly that NAG. It will lie in the middle but nuanced debate on anything appears to be a thing of the past.
It is very unfortunate that there will be "ringleaders" in this kind of stuff and they are just stirring younger ones into going on the streets and potentially getting a criminal record. It was the same with the flag protests when they happened up here.
More restrictive immigration is within the gift of the ROI Government no matter what the Irish Govt / EU says. That is the great irony of the UK Brexit, they always had the power to enforce a more restrictive policy but never did, preferring to go down the tried & tested right wing rabble rousing route. The ROI Government does seem to bend over anytime the EU asks it to mind you.
There is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.
Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.
Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.
The only people who can come to Ireland and work freely are EU nationals and British national. All other immigration is controlled. And getting a visa to work and live in Ireland is not straightforward. You need an Employer to sponsor you. It costs a lot of money. If the employer could fine an Irish or even EU national they would.
So anyone talking about controlling our borders or immigration, with respect, is talking nonsense.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:06:16 AMExactly that NAG. It will lie in the middle but nuanced debate on anything appears to be a thing of the past.
It is very unfortunate that there will be "ringleaders" in this kind of stuff and they are just stirring younger ones into going on the streets and potentially getting a criminal record. It was the same with the flag protests when they happened up here.
It was exactly the same type of violence as well when Lee Clegg was released back in 1995.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on November 24, 2023, 10:30:21 AMQuote from: clarshack on November 24, 2023, 10:15:24 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 09:44:59 AMQuote from: Itchy on November 24, 2023, 09:33:53 AMQuote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 09:31:49 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:56:35 AMMy simple view is that immigration needs to be controlled in a way that benefits the economy. Forget about where they are coming from or their race. Skilled people who are in fields that there are job shortages should be let in. Unskilled workers are also required but it should be based on the number of available jobs rather than a free for all.
Australia immigration skills assessment is a good example.
That's a perfectly legitimate position to hold, if you were voting in GB you'd be voting Conservative or quite possibly the Reform Party as the Tories might be too soft for you.
Yes, and it resulted in Brexit so I would assume Tyrone08 would be in favour of Brexit and perhaps and Irexit too.
Lad have at it then. Keep the system the way it is and come back to me in 10 years and see how you feel then.
Jesus every country in the world outside of eu controls immigration.
Cant improve anything in this country without someone shouting racist.
Agree it's got to the stage it's ridiculous.
If the extremists on the left keep on shouting racist and bigot at everyone without having proper debate on key issues and when you look at what happened in Argentina and Holland this week then these idiots are going to end up being partly responsible for putting a Far Right party into power in the South.
I agree to an extend. But it works both ways. If some of the posts are challenged on here you get the "far left" response instead of actually debating the issue. Both sides seem to be incapable of discussing the issue reasonably. And the reality is somewhere in between. Immigration is required, and at times the right thing to do. Should it be more regulated? Yes. Is it possible to have complete control over that. No. It will be an imperfect system.
People crying that Ireland isn't recognisable as the country it once was are completely right. Unfortunately we can't blame all that on immigrants.
Spot on
Quote from: NAG1 on November 24, 2023, 11:19:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.
Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.
Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.
The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.
If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 11:38:32 AMQuote from: NAG1 on November 24, 2023, 11:19:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.
Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.
Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.
The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.
If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.
there could be many reasons.
Language
Large community of [insert country nationals] there already so easier to fit in
Family here
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 11:38:32 AMQuote from: NAG1 on November 24, 2023, 11:19:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.
Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.
Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.
The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.
If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.
Would be interesting to see the figures compared to France or Germany say over the last 10 years. I'd imagine it isn't a case of UK being the most desired for migrants, although I did read numbers have sky rocketed the past year or so.
I am not sure the Uk benefits system would be particularly hot at all tbh. The Irish one is probably more so.
EU so doesnt include the UK
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG?locations=EU
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 11:56:30 AMEU so doesnt include the UK
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG?locations=EU
How many refugees are there in the UK?
Refugees make up less than half a percent of the UK population (0.49%). According to the UN, there were 328,989 refugees living in the UK by the end of 2022.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:48:57 AMI am not sure the Uk benefits system would be particularly hot at all tbh. The Irish one is probably more so.
It can be when you factor in PIP, disabled child premiums on Universal Credit. You would be surprised
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 11:42:51 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 11:38:32 AMQuote from: NAG1 on November 24, 2023, 11:19:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.
Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.
Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.
The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.
If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.
there could be many reasons.
Language
Large community of [insert country nationals] there already so easier to fit in
Family here
So are those the reasons why people are coming or are those the reasons why people should be let in?
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:01:26 AMQuote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 04:15:56 AMQuote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.
Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?
The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol
Nonsense to start with and every bar, restaurant or cafe in the city would fold without their labour anyway as the scrotes thieving from stores last night won't (or can't) do that sort of work.
While a conversation has to be had around treatment of crime and values in this country, from foreigners and our own born & bred, immigrants have had an overall net positive in Dublin and made it a far more interesting, diverse and open minded city.
As often happens, commentators bestow lofty political, or aspirational motives on the rioters - the far roysh.
In many cases, the truth is a lot simpler. A lot of these local hoods are opportunists, so when they see a chance to get one up on the Gardai, smash up and rob expensive sports gear from shops, they take it.
Same goes for when ATMs start spewing money, the chancers come out of the woodwork.
These same 'far roysh' would be wearing Celtic tops and singing to the Wolfe Tones on another day of the week.
Dublin north inner city has always been a problem spot with a concentration of social problems there. Covid has made it worse, add to that a demoralised and generally powerless police force and a very weak judicial system. It doesn't take much to spark it off.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 12:41:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:01:26 AMQuote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 04:15:56 AMQuote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.
Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?
The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol
Nonsense to start with and every bar, restaurant or cafe in the city would fold without their labour anyway as the scrotes thieving from stores last night won't (or can't) do that sort of work.
While a conversation has to be had around treatment of crime and values in this country, from foreigners and our own born & bred, immigrants have had an overall net positive in Dublin and made it a far more interesting, diverse and open minded city.
Agree 100%, if GB / RoI / NI wasn't filled with so many useless lazy b@stards there would not be a need for as much immigration and therefore less incentive to come here.
At a regional level the principals of this were evident in NI long before the recent increase in recent years in immigration. Politicians / 'community workers' crying on the TV about lack of opportunities / jobs for the supposed ' working class areas of Belfast yet M2 & M1 choked with cars and work vans every day.
Many moons ago I worked on Social Housing project in Belfast, a big demand for (free) housing in the area, however not many of the natives were working on the site or called in looking a start with the exception of collecting 'security' money. All houses registered to 'single parent families' yet on moving in day the 'other half' also landed.
Quote from: LC on November 24, 2023, 12:57:09 PMQuote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 12:41:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 08:01:26 AMQuote from: OgraAnDun on November 24, 2023, 04:15:56 AMQuote from: armaghniac on November 24, 2023, 12:12:48 AMThe knifer was stopped, at least in part, by a Brazilian courier on a motorbike who stopped and biffed him with his helmet.
Where were all the brave Irish patriots then, needing a foreigner to step in to protect women & children?
The obvious answer is that its easier to find someone who is not from ireland in dublin these days than it is to find an irish man lol
Nonsense to start with and every bar, restaurant or cafe in the city would fold without their labour anyway as the scrotes thieving from stores last night won't (or can't) do that sort of work.
While a conversation has to be had around treatment of crime and values in this country, from foreigners and our own born & bred, immigrants have had an overall net positive in Dublin and made it a far more interesting, diverse and open minded city.
Agree 100%, if GB / RoI / NI wasn't filled with so many useless lazy b@stards there would not be a need for as much immigration and therefore less incentive to come here.
At a regional level the principals of this were evident in NI long before the recent increase in recent years in immigration. Politicians / 'community workers' crying on the TV about lack of opportunities / jobs for the supposed ' working class areas of Belfast yet M2 & M1 choked with cars and work vans every day.
Many moons ago I worked on Social Housing project in Belfast, a big demand for (free) housing in the area, however not many of the natives were working on the site or called in looking a start with the exception of collecting 'security' money. All houses registered to 'single parent families' yet on moving in day the 'other half' also landed.
That's why I dont take the poverty stats too seriously here
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 12:36:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 11:42:51 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 11:38:32 AMQuote from: NAG1 on November 24, 2023, 11:19:09 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 11:15:04 AMThere is a lot of talk that the UK situation is now worse due to Brexit too.
No incentive now for the ex-partners in the EU to stop the migration through their countries to the UK.
Actually it makes sense for them to allow them migrants through to the final destination of the UK. The UK Govt are now going to have to pay the likes of France etc to prevent the migrants from crossing the channel. Instead of working as a partner inside the EU framework.
Crazy decision of Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving for the people of GB/ UK.
The question should be why are they chosing to go to uk when they are passing through a number of far better countries to get to the uk and in some respect ireland. The only answer i can think of is the benefit package must be better in ireland and uk than elsewhere in Europe.
If you stop that then it would solve alot of the issues in that people who then come to the uk and ireland will only do so because they want to and not because its an easy life.
there could be many reasons.
Language
Large community of [insert country nationals] there already so easier to fit in
Family here
So are those the reasons why people are coming or are those the reasons why people should be let in?
reasons why they come
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.
Connor McGregor giving of King of the revolution vibes. He'll Grand old Duke of York the shite out of them lads.
Half the boys looting looked like immigrants as well. Can we just accept that we have plenty of scumbags in the country, both native and imported?
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 01:15:44 PMConnor McGregor giving of King of the revolution vibes. He'll Grand old Duke of York the shite out of them lads.
Just when I thought that pr!ck couldn't become any more of a pr!ck
Quote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.
Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
Quote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 01:45:22 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.
Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
absolutely.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:20:35 PMHalf the boys looting looked like immigrants as well. Can we just accept that we have plenty of scumbags in the country, both native and imported?
eh?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:48:10 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 01:45:22 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.
Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
absolutely.
Plus one.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:48:10 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 01:45:22 PMQuote from: gallsman on November 24, 2023, 01:10:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on November 24, 2023, 06:17:10 AMI have always been fascinated when people argue against controlling borders. Almost immediately the word racist is used when anyone suggests improved controls
Majority of countries in the world have strict border controls and set criteria for entering.
Also when irish people immigrate they do integrate into the country and contribute heavily. Can that be said of all people immigrating to ireland ?
A sweeping, baseless generalisation, especially when in the next sentence you demand it of ALL immigrants.
Hardly baseless. Simple fact is when people emigrate to other countries they have to work as they dont get benefits or free housing. For whatever reason ireland offers free housing and benefits. Cut the housing and free benefits. Basic stuff really
absolutely.
Plus one.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 01:52:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:20:35 PMHalf the boys looting looked like immigrants as well. Can we just accept that we have plenty of scumbags in the country, both native and imported?
eh?
https://x.com/videosirish/status/1727807276289786177?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg
Why is RTÉ and ithers calling them scumbags "protestors" (sic).
They're fkn RIOTERS AND LOOTERS!!!
Quote from: bennydorano on November 24, 2023, 01:15:44 PMConnor McGregor giving of King of the revolution vibes. He'll Grand old Duke of York the shite out of them lads.
One of the biggest wankers the country has ever produced.
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 01:59:32 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on November 24, 2023, 01:52:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 01:20:35 PMHalf the boys looting looked like immigrants as well. Can we just accept that we have plenty of scumbags in the country, both native and imported?
eh?
https://x.com/videosirish/status/1727807276289786177?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg
Do you want them to "integrate" or not?! Make up your f**king mind.
Government has zero credibility
When thousands were arriving at Dublin Airport with no documentation we were told that due to international law we had no option but to accept them into the country
Miraculously the numbers fell through the floor "tougher enforcement measures" were implemented
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/18/large-drop-in-numbers-arriving-in-ireland-without-passports/
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 02:47:29 PMGovernment has zero credibility
When thousands were arriving at Dublin Airport with no documentation we were told that due to international law we had no option but to accept them into the country
Miraculously the numbers fell through the floor "tougher enforcement measures" were implemented
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/18/large-drop-in-numbers-arriving-in-ireland-without-passports/
Thats a good thing? And you're complaining? :o
There were 13,000 or so applicants for Internal Protection in 2022.
How many "thousands" of that 13 had no passports or documentation?
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 02:47:29 PMGovernment has zero credibility
When thousands were arriving at Dublin Airport with no documentation we were told that due to international law we had no option but to accept them into the country
Miraculously the numbers fell through the floor "tougher enforcement measures" were implemented
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/18/large-drop-in-numbers-arriving-in-ireland-without-passports/
did you read the article
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 04:02:11 PMQuote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 02:47:29 PMGovernment has zero credibility
When thousands were arriving at Dublin Airport with no documentation we were told that due to international law we had no option but to accept them into the country
Miraculously the numbers fell through the floor "tougher enforcement measures" were implemented
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/18/large-drop-in-numbers-arriving-in-ireland-without-passports/
did you read the article
Yes
DECREASE (which we were told wasn't possible due to our obligations under international law) follows tougher enforcement measures and comes amid accommodation shortage for asylum seekers
Almost 125k raised for the Brazilian fella who helped disarm the attacker
https://www.gofundme.com/f/buy-caio-benicio-a-pint
Mighty stuff.
Wonder can we help the poor people injured as well?
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 04:17:24 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 04:02:11 PMQuote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 02:47:29 PMGovernment has zero credibility
When thousands were arriving at Dublin Airport with no documentation we were told that due to international law we had no option but to accept them into the country
Miraculously the numbers fell through the floor "tougher enforcement measures" were implemented
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/18/large-drop-in-numbers-arriving-in-ireland-without-passports/
did you read the article
Yes
DECREASE (which we were told wasn't possible due to our obligations under international law) follows tougher enforcement measures and comes amid accommodation shortage for asylum seekers
so you read the first paragraph
Had you read on you would have seen this
"The fall coincides with an overall decrease in the numbers seeking asylum this year"
and this
"People arriving without a passport are still entitled to claim asylum under Irish and international law."
and this
"Last year a total of 4,200 people arrived in Dublin Airport without documentation, with the majority claiming asylum on reaching immigration control."
you would even have seen this
"The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking."
and this
"Government rhetoric has also become somewhat tougher, with Ministers stressing that Ireland will continue to accept asylum seekers but that existing rules and laws must be adhered to."
and there is more
"The lack of beds for asylum seekers is contributing to a lower number of people presenting without passports and a lower number of asylum seekers overall, they said."
And finally
"Those who may be thinking of seeking asylum in Ireland are aware the centres here are at capacity. There's no doubt that is causing some to look at other options," said one source."
so even if they present with no documentation and claim asylum their asylum claim will be considered.
If 10 million arrived in the next year some of you would still be standing with your #refugeeswelcome signs. None of you will give a serious, truthful answer on migration and levels that are manageable
Quote from: Rossfan on November 24, 2023, 04:27:57 PMMighty stuff.
Wonder can we help the poor people injured as well?
It's on that link
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-for-childern-and-carer-attacked-in-dublin?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 24, 2023, 04:30:55 PMIf 10 million arrived in the next year some of you would still be standing with your #refugeeswelcome signs. None of you will give a serious, truthful answer on migration and levels that are manageable
10 million arent gonna arrive. Dont worry about it
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 24, 2023, 04:30:55 PMIf 10 million arrived in the next year some of you would still be standing with your #refugeeswelcome signs. None of you will give a serious, truthful answer on migration and levels that are manageable
Once you and the likes go in the other direction of course...
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 04:28:38 PMQuote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 04:17:24 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 04:02:11 PMQuote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 02:47:29 PMGovernment has zero credibility
When thousands were arriving at Dublin Airport with no documentation we were told that due to international law we had no option but to accept them into the country
Miraculously the numbers fell through the floor "tougher enforcement measures" were implemented
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/05/18/large-drop-in-numbers-arriving-in-ireland-without-passports/
did you read the article
Yes
DECREASE (which we were told wasn't possible due to our obligations under international law) follows tougher enforcement measures and comes amid accommodation shortage for asylum seekers
so you read the first paragraph
Had you read on you would have seen this
"The fall coincides with an overall decrease in the numbers seeking asylum this year"
and this
"People arriving without a passport are still entitled to claim asylum under Irish and international law."
and this
"Last year a total of 4,200 people arrived in Dublin Airport without documentation, with the majority claiming asylum on reaching immigration control."
you would even have seen this
"The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking."
and this
"Government rhetoric has also become somewhat tougher, with Ministers stressing that Ireland will continue to accept asylum seekers but that existing rules and laws must be adhered to."
and there is more
"The lack of beds for asylum seekers is contributing to a lower number of people presenting without passports and a lower number of asylum seekers overall, they said."
And finally
"Those who may be thinking of seeking asylum in Ireland are aware the centres here are at capacity. There's no doubt that is causing some to look at other options," said one source."
so even if they present with no documentation and claim asylum their asylum claim will be considered.
LOL
You're after proving my point.
So when we started enforcing the law, and stopped giving out accommodation.........guess what happened.........the numbers overall dramatically decreased and the numbers with no documentation decreased
We were originally told that there was nothing the government could do to stem the inflows but gee whizz, when the pressure was turned up they figured it out
I proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: Kidder81 on November 24, 2023, 04:30:55 PMIf 10 million arrived in the next year some of you would still be standing with your #refugeeswelcome signs. None of you will give a serious, truthful answer on migration and levels that are manageable
If 1 arrived next year - you'd still be gurning
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Go back and read the article
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
For someone who lectured me about not reading the article, you seem to have some pretty serious issues with basic comprehension
However, it is also an offence for travellers to land in the State without a valid travel document. "The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking"
What does ANY of this have to do with yesterday?
24 in Court today, 1 from as far away as Celbrudge and anither from effn Longford!!
2 with foreign sounding names...
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 05:29:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Go back and read the articleQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
For someone who lectured me about not reading the article, you seem to have some pretty serious issues with basic comprehension
However, it is also an offence for travellers to land in the State without a valid travel document.
"The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking"
1 person since 2019 it said. No conviction. 780 people still presented with no passport. And guess what, any who claimed asylum will still have had their asylum application processed.
Over 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Careful you will be branded a far right racist
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
That'd Be too sensible , Dave
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Quote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
It's like we never had homeless people before ten years ago ;D
People are thick and see what to see and hear what they want to hear
As a complete aside stop air b and bs or bring in a significant tax on it! However these are the problems you have worldwide. It's a problem all over the world with no easy fix. Closing borders wouldn't fix it.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 06:18:15 PMQuote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 05:29:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Go back and read the articleQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
For someone who lectured me about not reading the article, you seem to have some pretty serious issues with basic comprehension
However, it is also an offence for travellers to land in the State without a valid travel document.
"The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking"
1 person since 2019 it said. No conviction. 780 people still presented with no passport. And guess what, any who claimed asylum will still have had their asylum application processed.
"1 person since 2019 it said. No conviction. 780 people still presented with no passport."
Think those numbers have anything to them with them not enforcing the law that they're now rigorously enforcing?
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 24, 2023, 06:54:40 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
That'd Be too sensible , Dave
Can't speak much for how it is in Ireland, but in the US, most of the people who scream about protecting all the homeless Americans before allowing more immigrants in are the same ones who want to strip away government support for services that help the likes of the homeless.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:28:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
Significantly reduce immigration for starters.
As for the other? A lot more complex, but surely theres ways to control rent/house prices?
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:49:37 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:28:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
Significantly reduce immigration for starters.
As for the other? A lot more complex, but surely theres ways to control rent/house prices?
How will you significantly reduce immigration?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:51:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:49:37 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:28:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
Significantly reduce immigration for starters.
As for the other? A lot more complex, but surely theres ways to control rent/house prices?
How will you significantly reduce immigration?
No dole etc for anyone coming in for starters. But sure you already know thag
Are the far right in Ireland (never thought I'd put that in a sentence) looking to leave the EU?
Although Ireland is on the younger end compared to rest of EU, an aging EU needs immigrants to remain productive. The lads in tracksuits robbing sneakers won't deliver food or keep restaurants running. Just like young Irish emigrants have contributed to the growth and productivity of cities around the world, Ireland too needs productive economic migrants.
Quote from: weareros on November 24, 2023, 07:58:38 PMAlthough Ireland is on the younger end compared to rest of EU, an aging EU needs immigrants to remain productive. The lads in tracksuits robbing sneakers won't deliver food or keep restaurants running. Just like young Irish emigrants have contributed to the growth and productivity of cities around the world, Ireland too needs productive economic migrants.
Ah but they're scrounging Cnuts!!
But in all seriousness, stop talking sense
Quote from: AustinPowers on November 24, 2023, 06:54:40 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
That'd Be too sensible , Dave
And there it is!! 2 men that would likely step over a homeless person if they met them suddenly want them housed before letting in any more immigrants.
Class stuff.
Question is... why is it one or the other?
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2023, 08:07:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 24, 2023, 06:54:40 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
That'd Be too sensible , Dave
And there it is!! 2 men that would likely step over a homeless person if they met them suddenly want them housed before letting in any more immigrants.
Class stuff.
Question is... why is it one or the other?
Class the way you can judge people having never met them.
Question, maybe stop being a sarcastic p***k?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 24, 2023, 07:56:35 PMAre the far right in Ireland (never thought I'd put that in a sentence) looking to leave the EU?
Yes.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 08:40:30 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2023, 08:07:01 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on November 24, 2023, 06:54:40 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
That'd Be too sensible , Dave
And there it is!! 2 men that would likely step over a homeless person if they met them suddenly want them housed before letting in any more immigrants.
Class stuff.
Question is... why is it one or the other?
Class the way you can judge people having never met them.
Question, maybe stop being a sarcastic p***k?
Have you ever done anything re helping the homeless? Supplied clothes, shifts in the kitchens etc?
Sure why do we spend anything on art, sport, tourism etc etc etc while there's still homeless people living on the streets?
I supply clothes to the local shelter in Cavan. I have often stopped to donate in the streets to the homeless in Dublin
You can drive down from Derry and meet if you are that dubious
Here's how the story developed online yesterday...
https://x.com/care2much18/status/1728134867429560334?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Quote from: screenexile on November 24, 2023, 10:09:10 PMHere's how the story developed online yesterday...
https://x.com/care2much18/status/1728134867429560334?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Everything wrong with social media and the modern world in 1 thread.
Quote from: screenexile on November 24, 2023, 10:09:10 PMHere's how the story developed online yesterday...
https://x.com/care2much18/status/1728134867429560334?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
An example of the Irish far right movement highlighted there with a lot influence on people than someone's puppy as one chap was suggesting on here today.
Quote from: RedHand88 on November 24, 2023, 10:39:31 PMQuote from: screenexile on November 24, 2023, 10:09:10 PMHere's how the story developed online yesterday...
https://x.com/care2much18/status/1728134867429560334?s=46&t=phQ2HHkWD0UVsLqr_FKpag
Everything wrong with social media and the modern world in 1 thread.
It's scary. People are so keen to justify their prejudices. And that's for both sides. People don't wait to get information anymore. They fill the gaps with whatever they want. T'would drive you to despair. Can't believe MSM, cant trust Karen on Facebook anymore either, twitter is a cesspit. Thank god for the Ulster Herald.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 09:22:32 PMI supply clothes to the local shelter in Cavan. I have often stopped to donate in the streets to the homeless in Dublin
You can drive down from Derry and meet if you are that dubious
Good man, so you'll know there's a multitude of reasons folk are on the streets. Why roll out this line now when they're obviously separate issues, a line usually rolled out by, as someone said above, someone who'd sooner step over a homeless person rather than help?
Quote from: JoG2 on November 24, 2023, 11:13:34 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 09:22:32 PMI supply clothes to the local shelter in Cavan. I have often stopped to donate in the streets to the homeless in Dublin
You can drive down from Derry and meet if you are that dubious
Good man, so you'll know there's a multitude of reasons folk are on the streets. Why roll out this line now when they're obviously separate issues, a line usually rolled out by, as someone said above, someone who'd sooner step over a homeless person rather than help?
Of course there is a lots of reasons. It was on today's news that's why I rolled it out. Maybe a separate thread but you'll get over that.
The hospital's can cope at present as they are understaffed and working long hours.
Nasty video of garda with riot shield shoving a homeless fella to the ground. Big hard man.
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 12:23:26 AMNasty video of garda with riot shield shoving a homeless fella to the ground. Big hard man.
Plenty of nasty videos going about, see what ya what I suppose
Quote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 07:40:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 06:18:15 PMQuote from: whitey on November 24, 2023, 05:29:34 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Go back and read the articleQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 05:22:00 PMI proved nothing for you kiddo. What law is being enforced here exactly? Anyone who presents at the airport, regardless of whether or not they have a passport, and claims asylum will have their claim processed. Is that the law you mean?
For someone who lectured me about not reading the article, you seem to have some pretty serious issues with basic comprehension
However, it is also an offence for travellers to land in the State without a valid travel document.
"The surge prompted the Government to introduce measures to combat the issue. Gardaí have been deployed to overseas airports to co-ordinate checks on travel documents of people travelling to Ireland and the Government has pressured airlines to be more vigilant for people destroying documents before disembarking"
1 person since 2019 it said. No conviction. 780 people still presented with no passport. And guess what, any who claimed asylum will still have had their asylum application processed.
"1 person since 2019 it said. No conviction. 780 people still presented with no passport."
Think those numbers have anything to them with them not enforcing the law that they're now rigorously enforcing?
I doubt it. The Garda go to other airports. What do they do? A person can't get in a flight without a passport anyway. Put pressure on airlines? If a person rocks up at a destination airport minus their passport - or without the correct visa - you can put a carriers liability action on the airline. Hard to prove these. The airline just has to say well he got on the plane with a passport. Not our fault he didn't present one at the PCP
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:56:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:51:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:49:37 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:28:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
Significantly reduce immigration for starters.
As for the other? A lot more complex, but surely theres ways to control rent/house prices?
How will you significantly reduce immigration?
No dole etc for anyone coming in for starters. But sure you already know thag
Asylum seekers can't claim the dole. Not sure about those who are non asylum seekers. I'd say there's more of an issue with people doing the double tho
is it not extremely hard to do the double these days do you not have to go regularly meetings at dole office and if people are doing double there boss must be in on it too.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 25, 2023, 08:53:47 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:56:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:51:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:49:37 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:28:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
Significantly reduce immigration for starters.
As for the other? A lot more complex, but surely theres ways to control rent/house prices?
How will you significantly reduce immigration?
No dole etc for anyone coming in for starters. But sure you already know thag
Asylum seekers can't claim the dole. Not sure about those who are non asylum seekers. I'd say there's more of an issue with people doing the double tho
Your man from Slovakia last week was claiming plenty anyway.
Quote from: Eire90 on November 25, 2023, 09:02:04 AMis it not extremely hard to do the double these days do you not have to go regularly meetings at dole office and if people are doing double there boss must be in on it too.
Couldn't tell ye. When I moved home from England to lurgan and was getting JSA I would see guys sign on and then go outside and jump into the work van
Quote from: Armagh18 on November 25, 2023, 09:07:18 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 25, 2023, 08:53:47 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:56:00 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:51:03 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:49:37 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 24, 2023, 07:28:43 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on November 24, 2023, 07:11:11 PMQuote from: general_lee on November 24, 2023, 06:56:43 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on November 24, 2023, 06:33:35 PMOver 13,000 homeless in Ireland https://t.co/R0P2HWjPUL
Maybe they should fix that problem before more people enter the country
Some chance. Successive neo liberal governments have created a speculative free-for-all property market for developers and property investors, condemning a generation to permanently being stuck renting or living at the parental home.
But blame the foreigners, asylum seekers & refugees. It's their fault that you've a shitty government.
Can both issues not be fixed?
How do you propose to do that?
Significantly reduce immigration for starters.
As for the other? A lot more complex, but surely theres ways to control rent/house prices?
How will you significantly reduce immigration?
No dole etc for anyone coming in for starters. But sure you already know thag
Asylum seekers can't claim the dole. Not sure about those who are non asylum seekers. I'd say there's more of an issue with people doing the double tho
Your man from Slovakia last week was claiming plenty anyway.
What was your man's status? Shouldn't have said in the north they can't. Not sure what the system is down south.
He was an EU National, probably here for years.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2023, 09:28:25 AMHe was an EU National, probably here for years.
2013 he came over. Was working on a building site when he got injured and started to claim disability benefits. He must have had legal status then
Thought it comical to see some tweets going to great lengths to highlight some dark skinned fella in the looting spree, they're obviously worse than the native looters somehow :o
Quote from: bennydorano on November 25, 2023, 09:34:08 AMThought it comical to see some tweets going to great lengths to highlight some dark skinned fella in the looting spree, they're obviously worse than the native looters somehow :o
. People were using that as a gotcha tweet
The North lending water cannon. #Jaysus
Someone is manipulating people in D1. Conspiracy theories. Culture war.
Huge challenge for the Garda and McEntee.
https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2023/1124/1418322-dublin-riot-social-media-radical-indifference-online-harm/
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 25, 2023, 11:22:15 AMQuote from: Saffrongael on November 25, 2023, 10:38:23 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on November 25, 2023, 09:30:43 AMQuote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2023, 09:28:25 AMHe was an EU National, probably here for years.
2013 he came over. Was working on a building site when he got injured and started to claim disability benefits. He must have had legal status then
Aye injured ffs, do you believe in Santa? Bad back but able to ride about on a bike stalking women and hold down one and murder them. He seemed like a real good guy. He probably did the usual roma/Slovak move of working for a bit to show a work history and the downing tools when he was entitled to benefits.
No idea. Only going by what I read online. Nor do I have any idea what the usual Roma/slovak stereotype is.
Yeah, right - pull the other one.
Quote from: tonto1888 on November 25, 2023, 09:30:43 AMQuote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2023, 09:28:25 AMHe was an EU National, probably here for years.
2013 he came over. Was working on a building site when.Quote from: tonto1888 on November 25, 2023, 09:30:43 AMQuote from: Rossfan on November 25, 2023, 09:28:25 AMHe was an EU National, probably here for years.
2013 he came over. Was working on a building site when he got injured and started to claim disability benefits. He must have had legal status then
He must have had legal status then
Of course he did :o . Slipped disc according to the media. Unusually it didn't impact his cycling or stabbing ability. Wife and 5 weans in a 5 bedroom house. Nice little earner.
Hmmm. Remember I said only 7% of failed asylum seekers were deported? Turns out our Algerian friend was one that slipped that porous net. He was arrested and issued with a deportation order in 2003. Instead, the NGO fiends helped him fight the order, and he was given citizenship. Imagine that!! And the bugger was caught with knives in May, and all!! The mind boggles. How lax are we?!!
Quote from: burdizzo on November 28, 2023, 08:56:00 AMHmmm. Remember I said only 7% of failed asylum seekers were deported? Turns out our Algerian friend was one that slipped that porous net. He was arrested and issued with a deportation order in 2003. Instead, the NGO fiends helped him fight the order, and he was given citizenship. Imagine that!! And the bugger was caught with knives in May, and all!! The mind boggles. How lax are we?!!
where is that 7% figure coming from? I am genuinely interested. Is that 7% of overall failed asylum seekers? or 7% of those who were ARE? Re the algerian dude, when you say slipped the porous net do you mean he appealed? Was he ARE? Why was he given citizenship if he had a DO? Caught with knives in May and went on to stab people. Thats a legal system failing that
It is so easy to manipulate people via social media
Quote from: burdizzo on November 28, 2023, 08:56:00 AMRemember I said only 7% of failed asylum seekers were deported?
16%
Quote from: burdizzo on November 28, 2023, 08:56:00 AMHe was arrested and issued with a deportation order in 2003.
2008
Quote from: burdizzo on November 28, 2023, 08:56:00 AMAnd the bugger was caught with knives in May, and all!!
April
These dumb violent racists ::) and also adding to the crime stats, taking up state resources, valuable court and possibly prison space,
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41280763.html
Crumlin road incident of hate.
Woman to be sentenced for 'obscene' racially-motivated attack on pizza delivery driver
The court heard that the victim was born in Ireland and had lived all his life in Dublin
At a hearing in Dublin Circuit Criminal Court on Thursday, the court heard that Johnston called the man "a bloody foreigner" and a "little Paki" before pushing, punching and kicking him in an unprovoked attack.
Prosecuting Garda Evan Owens said at one point Johnston started biting the man's leg and that after getting into her car, she drove towards him in a threatening manner and threatened to kill him.
In a victim impact statement, the injured man said Johnston had attacked him "like a vicious animal" and that he continues to suffer physical pain, anxiety and depression because of the assault.
"To be racially abused in your own country while providing services is extremely hurtful; it will stay with me my whole life. I felt degraded and insignificant,"
The defense ;D
At a hearing on Thursday, Seoirse Ó Dúnlaing BL, defending Johnston, said there was simply no justification for what he described as a "mindless, senseless attack on a person going about his business, working and contributing to the State".
Mr Ó Dúnlaing described the racist utterances made by his client as "foul, obscene, nothing short of absolutely shocking' and 'disgusting, quite frankly".
I see Kitty Holland is in serious bother for comments on BBC last night attacking the grieving boyfriend of Ashling Murphy call for him to be censored, a bigot and inviting hatred etc.
Deeply evil comments from her, no idea how Irish Times can keep her on this time. She will likely be sued to high heaven the least she deserves.
People like her are everything wrong with this country.
The IT revels in employing all manner of far-left lunatics - to the almost complete exclusion of any other voices. Time was when it carried a diversity of columnists and opinions, but now they all think the same.
Quote from: burdizzo on December 01, 2023, 05:46:39 PMThe IT revels in employing all manner of far-left lunatics - to the almost complete exclusion of any other voices. Time was when it carried a diversity of columnists and opinions, but now they all think the same.
she should have been sacked long ago anyway, she might be in trouble this time
Hopefully. However, I find it hard to see Ryan Casey bringing an action against her.
Fckin right wing eejits claiming the IT is left wing ;D
I take it Kitty must have reported on something that racists took issue with.
Unless you run down foreigners those Nazifascist fckwits will take issue with you.
Quote from: Main Street on December 04, 2023, 01:05:52 AMFckin right wing eejits claiming the IT is left wing ;D
I take it Kitty must have reported on something that racists took issue with.
What? Where did anyone claim this? But do you think it's NOT leftist, or what?! Ha ha, you make me laugh! Have you read it lately? Or still stuck w/ Socialist Wan... I mean, Worker?!
Kitty Holland accused Ryan Casey of incitement to hatred. Had you missed that?
Quote from: burdizzo on December 04, 2023, 06:37:23 PMQuote from: Main Street on December 04, 2023, 01:05:52 AMFckin right wing eejits claiming the IT is left wing ;D
I take it Kitty must have reported on something that racists took issue with.
What? Where did anyone claim this? But do you think it's NOT leftist, or what?! Ha ha, you make me laugh! Have you read it lately? Or still stuck w/ Socialist Wan... I mean, Worker?!
Kitty Holland accused Ryan Casey of incitement to hatred. Had you missed that?
and what was it he said?
He merely asked the question most people are asking.
Quote from: burdizzo on December 05, 2023, 08:00:32 AMHe merely asked the question most people are asking.
so what did he say
You know well what he said, and it's been put up on this thread already, but - here you go:
"Ashling and I first met on the 6th of September in 2013 at a local rugby club disco in Tullamore, which was 10 years ago this year. We were both just 15 years old and it was our first time to ever meet even though we only lived 7 or 8 minutes up the road from each other.
I knew even way back then that there was just something so special about her, her beautiful and warm personality coupled with that big distinctive and wholesome smile that I grew to love more and more as time went on.
The very next day, I just couldn't resist, I felt that there was genuinely something so special about her....so I just had to text her. So, from that day forward we started texting each other and after a number of weeks and meet ups we were in a relationship together until the following May of 2014 until we went our separate ways as I suppose looking back on it now, we were both still so young...we both had a lot going on at that age. But during that time we were together.... we had gotten so soclose to each other.
We texted each other every day non-stop...had countless dates, nights out, house parties together... we'd even spend 5 to 6 hours on the phone to each other two or three nights a week until all hours of the morning, just talking about everything and anything until one of us practically fell asleep. We simply couldn't get enough of each other.
I had been at her house for the first time in February of 2014 where I met her family for the first time when I was collecting her for an under 16 dinner dance, our first of many dinner dances together. I instantly loved her family.... they were and still are to this day the most warm, wholesome, and welcoming family you can ever meet. They symbolise absolutely everything that is great about Irish society, good honest, kind, and hard-working people that I am so lucky to call family.
The following 2 years were followed by the two of us constantly staying close and in touch with each other and deep down we both knew that we still both really liked each other but we just never took that next step. All this time that we weren't technically together, we did stay in regular contact, we both knew absolutely everything there was to know about each other and what we were doing on a weekly or daily basis. I had a minor hurling dinner dance in February of 2016 and of course there was only one person that was going to be by my side that night....and that was Ashling.
In August of 2016 we started to get even closer and closer, which followed through to October 11th of 2016. I remember this night so well, I had just won the intermediate hurling championship with our local hurling club, and our celebrations were still ongoing for the 3rdnight straight. While being out with all my teammates and having a great time...I was there as always, texting Ashling all that day and night and at one stage of the night.... and for whatever reason and to this day I don't know what got into me, but I made in my opinion the decision I've made in my entire life.
I decided to just leave the pub, get into a taxi and head for home without telling anybody because I had nothing only tunnel vision for one thing and one thing only, and that was to ring Ashling and tell her exactly how I felt and what she meant to me and that I didn't want to waste any more time and risk losing her. I remember like it literally only yesterday...the call lasted over 3 hours, I told her everything, at certain stages the both of us got very emotional on the phone as we both knew it was meant to be and that we were just destined to be soulmates.
On the 28th of October 2016, Ashlingofficially met my parents and my little sister for the first time at my parents' wedding. The first ever embrace between Ashling and my parents was caught on camera in the background on the dancefloor footage which thankfully and by chance made it into their wedding video.
This was the real beginning of how me and Ashling first met, got to know each other, and started our relationship.... although I found out on December 18th of 2016 while at my house that we weren't officially going out as I had never officially asked her to be my girlfriend. So it was on that night that I officially asked Ashling to be my girlfriend, and this became our anniversary date, which worked out perfectly as I had a surprise gift for Christmas to give to her that night, which was the first ever gift I got her, a Rose gold Daniel wellington watch with a brown leather strap that I knew she really wanted for a long time. A watch that she practically never took off and wore every day, and a watch that her mother Kathleen now wears every day.
The next 5 years of our relationship were filled with nothing but so much love, happiness, joy, adventure, trust and most importantly respect. It was quite simply, heaven on earth. I never could have imagined it being possible to fall for someone so quickly and as much at such a young age. What we had was very very special and we both knew it. We had gone through and experienced so much together and made so many beautiful memories as we practically grew up together.
Such memories include our countless trips away together, countless holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, helping each other through leaving certificate, helping each other through 4 years of college, helping each other start our working careers and also helping each other through times of difficulty and loss. Honestly, Ashling knew me better than I knew myself.
She could literally read me like book, know exactly what mood I was in and knew exactly what to do or say to cheer me up and I know for a fact this went both ways and there was nothing I loved more than cheering her up when she was having a bad day. In the entire time that we were together, we never had one single disagreement or one single little argument which is something I loved about our relationship. I like to think that it was down to the fact that we both loved and respected each other too much to even consider having an argument.
We were both such planners, we loved to plan ahead and look towards the future. We had made so many plans together such as moving in together, starting our careers, travelling the world together, building a house together, having kids and starting a family, proposing to her, getting married, the list just goes on and on.
We had planned to move to Galway in late summer of 2022 and live together for 1 year as I was due to be starting my new job in Boston scientific in Galway. After this we had plans to move to Dubai for 1 to 2 years as it was always Ashling's dream for as long as I've known her to teach in Dubai. After Dubai, was going to be coming home and building our house, which we already had spent so many hours designing together over the Christmas of2021. We had plans of setting up a joint bank account so we could get started on doing percolation testing as we were due to be meeting the architect in January or February of 2022 to walk the site we had picked and discuss what our next step were going to be.
We often discussed how many kids we'd love to have and how they'd all be mighty little hurlers or camogie players and even better musicians. One thing Ashling use to always say to me was that if we were lucky enough to have a little boy someday, she wanted to call him "Rían" which is Irish for Ryan. In terms of marriage, there was just no question, I was going to marry the girl of my dreams and my soulmate. We talked about marrying each other a lot, I knew the exact type of engagement ring that she'd love, we would talk about the wedding day itself and all the fine details of what the day would be like, what type of dress she'd love, who would be the bridal party, how it would be in Mountbolus church, where the reception would be, just everything....even down to what our wedding song would be which Ashling always wanted to be "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" from the Lion King.
When I used to drive home from her house after either spending the night, dropping her home,or just visiting.... I always... every time without fail would smile to myself while driving out her driveway and say to out loud in the car, "I can't wait to marry that girl someday". I would have married Ashling along time ago if I could and I wish I did.... but we just didn't get the chance to reach that part of our plan.
Last year, on the 12th of January, I lost so much more than my girlfriend. I've lost mypartner in life, my closest friend, my best friend. I've lost my parent in laws, a sister in law, a brother in law, the privilege of marryinginto the murphy and Leonard family, a role model for my little sister, future grandchildrenfor my parents and Ashling's parents and great grandchildren for my grandparents. Everything that I ever wanted in life, every single plan that I had in life is now gone and cannot be brought back. Ashling was simply everything to me, and this is what I've lost, I've simply lost everything, Ashling was just everything.
The pain of losing someone who is so important to you is indescribable. It's a pain that I cannot describe. I never knew that there was a pain as severe and long lasting as the physical and emotional pain that comes with loosing the most important person in your life....and especially in such a horrific, senseless, and just beyond evil act by such an insignificant lowest of the low waste of life. It just doesn't make any sense to me how somebody who is just so insignificant, worthless, lowest of the low, burden to societyand overall, a waste of life, can completely and permanently destroy so many people's lives by taking the life of a person who is the complete opposite, a life with meaning, a life with dreams, a life of love and compassion, respect, a person who contributed to society in the best ways possible.
The last 22 months has been the toughest 22months of my life and will always be the toughest 22 moths of my life and this will continue to be the toughest time of my life. Over the course of the last 22 months.... I've had to deal with a lot of personal struggles, thoughts, and difficult challenges as a result of losing my soulmate Ashling such as,
• Not being able to sleep at night and when I do finally sleep my mind doesn't shut down as I constantly have a wide range of both pleasant and not so pleasant dreams.
• I sit at the shrine I have made for her in my room before going to bed every night and tell her about my day which always ends badly.
• Every night, when I get into bed, I say to Ashling that I'm one more day closer to seeing her again.
• Wishing I didn't wake up when going to bed.
• The countless days where I didn't get out of bed.
• Not getting her "Goodnight, I love you" in person or text before going to bed.
• Going to bed every night alone and without her by my side.
• Not wanting to finish college and quit my degree.
• The countless days where I felt I was in no way in control of my own mind.
• Losing all of my self-confidence.
• Constantly hating and punishing myself for having small intermitting moments of happiness.
• Not allowing myself to be happy at all and feeling guilty if I was.
• Killing myself with guilt if I do anything that's in any way enjoyable.
• The feeling of being completely lost in lifewith no direction and seeing no light at the end of any tunnel.
• The horrendous feeling of being surrounded by so many people but yet feeling so isolated and alone.
• Not having that person in your life anymore that you can truly open to like I use to with Ashling.
• There are now times where I don't want to and am simply not able to talk to anyone anymore, reply to messages, answer, or return phone calls even when its my closest friends or family.
• I've become a lot more of an angrier and short fused person.... as I've lashed out at family and friends which is against my nature and not who I really am, and I hate it.
• The anger boils so hot in me sometimes that it makes me feel physically sick.
• I'm constantly second guessing myself with every single decision I have to make, no matter how big or small it is, and this especially follows through to my work as I know in my heart and soul that my mind, my focus and my memory is just nowhere near as sharp as it used to be, which justkills me when I make errors that I know I just shouldn't be making.
• The constant pressure of putting on a brave face and having to hide how I'm actually feeling and having to carry on about my day and complete my tasks both in work and outside of work.
• Not being able to watch or listen to anything with the slightest bit of violence in it anymore, even simple things like using a knife to eat, I now hate knifes, I hate holding knifes, I even hate looking at them, I still have to use them to eat but every single time I'm finished I just put it away from me immediately because I cannot stop my mind from wandering no matter how hard I try.
• There are a number of specific songs also catch me off guard which remind me ofspecific moments that I shared with Ashling.
• I just find myself constantly missing her presence.... I just can't stop thinking about her every second of every single day, I'm constantly recalling and playing over and over again our memories in my head, but in particular is the very last day I saw her in person which was the 10th of January at my house when she was dropping off some shopping she had done for us as we were all stuck at home isolating because there was covid in our house at the time. And all we wanted to do was give each other a big hug but we didn't as Ashling and I were due to be flying to Manchester on the 21stof January so we were afraid that we wouldn't be allowed to fly if one of us got covid. I can't describe the horrendous feeling of regret every time I think of this moment.
There was brief moment where I was standing beside her, and she was standing at her car door just before she sat in, where we just stood looking into each other's eyes for about 3 to 4 seconds until we both just pouted from not being able to give each other a hug and a kiss then laughed and said our goodbyes and said to each other what we always have said to each other every single night for 5 years straight....."I love you". And I ask myself each and every time, why didn't I just give her a huge hug and never let her go....
These are just a few brief examples.... just the tip of the iceberg, of what it's been like to somehow try and continue on in life without Ashling being part of it. This horrific, senseless, and completely evil taking of Ashling's life is our life sentence that we have to bear for the remainder of our lives.... sentence in which there is no parole.
Ashling was only 23 years old...she was still so young...she had so much more life and love to give...she was taken from us far too soon...I think everybody can agree that 23 years can go by in the blink of an eye... and yet the maximum sentence for taking someone's entire life and completely destroying the lives of their entire family in this country isn't even 23 years!!! This quiet simply has to be taken into consideration when sentencing this absolute indescribable waste of life by sentencing him to the absolute maximum number of years that's possible... which in my opinion, in this country is still nowhere near enough.
It just sickens me to the core that someone can come to this country, be fully supported in terms of social housing, social welfare, and free medical care for over 10 years... over 10 years... never hold down a legitimate job, and never once contribute to society in any way shape or form... can commit such a horrendous evil act of incomprehensible violence on such a beautiful, loving and talented person who in fact, worked for the state, educating the next generation and represented everything that is good about Irish society.
I feel like this country is no longer the country that Ashling and I grew up in and has officially lost its innocence when a crime of this magnitude can be perpetrated in broad daylight. This country needs to wake up, this time things have got to change, we have to once and for all start putting the safety of not only Irish people but everybody in this country who works hard, pays taxes, raises families and overall contributes to society first.
We don't want to see any other family in this country go through what we have gone through and are continuing to go through. I myself have a little sister and honestly, just the thought of her walking the streets of any village, town or city in this country alone makes me physically sick and quite frankly absolutely terrifies me as this country is simply not safe anymore! This time, if real change does not happen, if the safety of people living in this country is further ignored, I'm afraid our country is heading down a very dangerous path and you can be certain that we will not be the last family to be in this position.
I don't think we will ever truly know why this evil, evil, description of a human being decided to take our Ashling from us....
But all I will say to you is this.... you have no idea... nor did you ever and will never have any idea, the level of connection and love that Ashling and I shared.
• You have no idea what you have stolen from us.
• You have no idea how much Ashling meant to us.
• You have no idea of the love we had for each other.
• Because of you, I've lost my Ashling.
• Because of you, I've lost everything I've ever wanted in life.
• Because of you, I'll never get to marry my soulmate.
• Because of you, I will never hear her voice again.
• Because of you, I will never see her smile again.
• Because of you, I will have to somehow carry on without her.
• Because of you, I will have to remember her longer than I've known her.
I don't care where you end up.... or happens to you after today.... but you smirked, you smiled, and you showed zero remorse throughout this trail, which sums up who you really are, the epitome of pure evil but one thing is for sure, you will never ever harm or touch another woman ever again and when your day of reckoning comes, may you be in hell a whole half hour, before God even knows you're dead."
I hadnt seen that before and I didnt recognise the name either. Is that what he has been accused of incitement to hatred for? That is harsh. The guy is rightly angry. I dont see anything wrong in what he has said to be honest. As you may have guessed I am generally pro immigration but you can ask questions about it without being labelled racist or being accused of incitement to hatred. With anything there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things
Both sides are using a grieving man's words to suit themselves in a time when calm is needed. I don't agree with some of what he said but I can't imagine what he's felling either and if something like that happened my wife or daughter I'd probably look at the situation differently.
Yeah exactly this. The guy has suffered significant trauma and should be allowed to grieve in peace.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 05, 2023, 10:37:03 AMI hadnt seen that before and I didnt recognise the name either. Is that what he has been accused of incitement to hatred for? That is harsh. The guy is rightly angry. I dont see anything wrong in what he has said to be honest. As you may have guessed I am generally pro immigration but you can ask questions about it without being labelled racist or being accused of incitement to hatred. With anything there is a right way and a wrong way of doing things
Fair enough. Apologies, I thought you were being deliberately sarcastic, as is the tone w/ some on this thread - to put it mildly.
Dáil voted confidence in Minister for Justice 83 to 63.
Another gent
Somali-born fugitive fighting his extradition to Sweden refused bail by High Court
https://jrnl.ie/6249737
A SOMALI-BORN fugitive who is fighting his extradition to Sweden, where he was sentenced to three years for attacking police officers during a riot over the burning of the Quran, has been refused bail by the High Court.
Rejecting Abdisalan Abdulkadir Yusuf's bail application today, Ms Justice Melanie Greally said the court was concerned that he appeared to have travelled to Ireland without his passport.
Yusuf (25), who has dual Swedish-Somali nationality, fled Sweden following his conviction for violent behaviour and was arrested by gardaí at a petrol station in Dundalk, Co Louth on 19 November, last on foot of a European Arrest Warrant.
Ms Justice Greally said "the most obvious inference" was that Yusuf had left Sweden to avoid having to serve a "lengthy" prison sentence there.
Yusuf fled Sweden after being sentenced to three years in prison in June 2023. The riots were a reaction to a Danish far-right politician touring the country and burning the Quran in several areas, including in the capital Stockholm.
The riots lasted for several days and more than a dozen police officers were injured. Yusuf was one of a number of people arrested and charged. He was convicted of attacking police, but was released on bail before he could begin his sentence.
The extradition warrant relates to Yusuf committing three offences in April 2022; namely one count of gross sabotage of emergency service activities and two counts of attempted gross violence against two members of the police.
The warrant states that Yusuf assaulted and disturbed the police by using violence and threats of violence against them, by damaging police vehicles that were used in these activities and by other measures.
The warrant continues that after a person announced on social media that he was going to go to the Navestad district in Norrkoping municipality in Sweden on 16 April, 2022 to attend a burning of the Quran, a large crowd gathered there.
"In the crowd, a very large number of individuals acted with intentional and joint violence against police officers and police property," the warrant reads.
The violence consisted of extensive rock throwing and kicks and strikes with blunt objects directed at police officers, police dogs and vehicles. Incendiary bombs, bangers and other loose objects were also thrown at the police and police vehicles, with several officers injured and vehicles damaged during the riot.
The warrant states that Abdisalan Abdulkadir Yusuf, who was wearing a mask, ran towards the police while armed with a pointed wood pole. He is also said to have encouraged other rioters in their criminal actions.
The warrant states that Yusuf also attempted gross violence against two officers as they tried to maintain order by throwing "a pointed wood pole at the police".
Yusuf sought bail at the High Court over two days this week, where Detective Garda Tony Keane, of the Garda Extradition Unit, told Leanora Frawley BL, for the Minister for Justice, that Yusuf arrived in Ireland in August 2023 and that gardai had made efforts to locate him at Emer Terrace, Dundalk in Co Louth, where his family was residing. The detective said Yusuf was not present at the address at the time.
The detective added: "I was told he was not residing there and was living with friends, basically couch surfing. We left the house and conducted a number of inquiries and had reason to attend a local petrol station where I identified Mr Yusuf sitting inside the petrol station with a hood over his head speaking on the phone to one of his siblings and that he was staying there until we left the area".
Detective Garda Keane told the judge that his concern was that Yusuf would not make himself available to the court if granted bail and that the respondent had stayed away from the house when he [the detective] had provided his name and contact details to the respondent's father. "Unfortunately we had to find him," he added.
The detective said he had enquired from Yusuf's father about his son's travel documents. "His father said the travel documents were returned to Sweden and I made contact with my counterpart in Sweden and they are not aware of any having been returned to them," he said.
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Under cross-examination, the detective told Thomas Horan BL, for the respondent, that Yusuf had returned from Sweden to assist his father who was unable to work and was on disability allowance.
In his submissions, Mr Horan said when his client was released from custody in Sweden in January 2023 he had surrendered his passport, which is now expired, to Swedish police.
The detective said today it wouldn't assuage him that the respondent's father was prepared to put forward an independent surety of €3,000 on behalf of his son.
Ms Frawley, for the Minister for Justice, told the judge that Yusuf's position was he had lodged an appeal against his sentence but that Swedish authorities said the appeal had not been lodged.
The lawyer also said that inquiries made by Det Gda Keane found that Yusuf had not given his passport to police in Sweden.
Mr Horan said today that the respondent no longer intended to proffer his father as an independent surety but another independent surety, who would offer €5,000, could come to court next week.
Counsel said his client had left Sweden to come back to Ireland to look after his family.
Ms Justice Greally replied: "That's what he [Yusuf] said. There is obviously some tenuous link between his departure from Sweden following his conviction and his arrival in Ireland". She said it seemed that the respondent had travelled to Ireland without a passport.
Mr Horan said the respondent had travelled on a national identity card issued by Swedish authorities.
Returning judgment today, Ms Justice Greally said the bail application was related to a European Arrest Warrant based on a conviction for public order offences involving "quite violent incidents", which occurred in Sweden in April 2022. She said it was accepted that the presumption in favour of granting bail did not apply to conviction cases.
The judge said the court must have regard to the seriousness of the event and more importantly the length of the sentence left to be served, which is three years.
She accepted that Yusuf had ties to the jurisdiction and that his family were "embedded" in Ireland.
"He returned to Ireland in August of this year and the conviction order became final it seems on the basis of information we received on September 5, 2023. It is suggested that the purpose of coming to Ireland was to assist with his family finances but the most obvious inference is that he left Sweden to avoid having to serve the prison sentence, which was becoming in imminent danger of being finalised," continued the judge.
Ms Justice Greally said the respondent's work history had been substantiated from payslips from a hotel and 'BoyleSports' but that they were not evidence of employment and indeed "very scant evidence".
The second issue, she said, which caused the court concern was that Yusuf had travelled to Ireland without his passport. "There is significant doubt as to where that passport is, he claims to have a national identity card from Sweden and claims to have travelled on that but that has not been made available and is not capable of verification at this time".
Ms Justice Greally said the court was of the view that the respondent posed a significant flight risk due to the "lengthy sentence to be served in Sweden".
She said there was a significant risk that if Yusuf was granted bail he would not remain in this jurisdiction and would seek to avoid the "consequence of sentence" in Sweden.
Ms Justice Greally refused to grant the respondent bail and remanded him in custody until February 7, when the full hearing for his surrender to Sweden will take place.
He has a bit to go before he reaches the standard of the Kinahans.
All Irish people are massive International drug trafficers per Fascist xenophobic "logic" !
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2023/1216/1422347-galway-protest/
They say most hotels in ireland have some sort of connection to TDS so are TDS and their connections making profit out of these schemes.
See that hotel mysteriously caught fire. Be no freeloaders getting into it now.
some pub owner in ringsend confronted over his connection to housing migrants.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 09:23:18 AMSee that hotel mysteriously caught fire. Be no freeloaders getting into it now.
So you're in favour of criminal activity and against housing people who are seeking shelter.
You'd have been a great Inn keeper in Bethlehem.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 09:23:18 AMSee that hotel mysteriously caught fire. Be no freeloaders getting into it now.
p***k of a post
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 17, 2023, 09:23:18 AMSee that hotel mysteriously caught fire. Be no freeloaders getting into it now.
Seriously? It's this kinda sh1t that has me a million miles away from the likes of twitter
Quote from: Eire90 on December 16, 2023, 07:16:53 PMThey say most hotels in ireland have some sort of connection to TDS so are TDS and their connections making profit out of these schemes.
Who are they?
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 17, 2023, 12:46:27 PMQuote from: Eire90 on December 16, 2023, 07:16:53 PMThey say most hotels in ireland have some sort of connection to TDS so are TDS and their connections making profit out of these schemes.
Who are they?
Don't know about hotels but the Healy Raes who are now on the anti immigration bandwagon are allegedly putting up around 3,000 Refugees in the myriad properties.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/1217/1422444-galway-hotel-fire/
This is very sad , I happen to know the owners who bought it only a year or 2 ago , A retired couple (Irish American) who full filled their life time dream by buying this property, Apparently All their stuff was burned , A very sad day. Protesting is fine but to burn the place ridiculous
Quote from: fearbrags on December 18, 2023, 03:02:42 AMhttps://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/1217/1422444-galway-hotel-fire/
This is very sad , I happen to know the owners who bought it only a year or 2 ago , A retired couple (Irish American) who full filled their life time dream by buying this property, Apparently All their stuff was burned , A very sad day. Protesting is fine but to burn the place ridiculous
So sad. Some people have very short memories. Not that long ago Galway people fled starvation in their thousands.
This is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
Wouldn't heavy-handed policing be seen as a right wing approach?
Or is that only when it suits?
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
So following that logic people should be able to build whatever they want wherever they want without planning permission
And if anyone objects well-"just beat them off the road "
I find it so ironic that the biggest cheerleaders for open borders, Mary Lou, O Riordain & Co, are the first people to launch objections when they dont want something built in their own backyards because it will impact the local population
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 11:31:43 AMQuote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
So following that logic people should be able to build whatever they want wherever they want without planning permission
And if anyone objects well-"just beat them off the road "
I find it so ironic that the biggest cheerleaders for open borders, Mary Lou, O Riordain & Co, are the first people to launch objections when they dont want something built in their own backyards because it will impact the local population
Can you explain to us all what you mean by open borders? You keep using this term but as far as I see we don't have open borders nor is anyone saying we should remove all controls.
Maybe it means something different to people who contribute f**k all to Ireland and Irish society ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We have 1 Border (with the rest of Ireland) which we moved mountains to keep open.
I had a little sojourn out of the Country a few weeks ago.
Flew back to Dublin Airport we all had to go through immigration where passports were checked.
There was a fine long slow moving Q in the non EU/EEA/UK/CH section.
Closed Borders means
Leaving the Common Travel Area
Leaving the EU
Closing Hospitals and Hospitality, meat factories, public transport etc.
And of course sealing off the 6 Counties from the rest of Ireland.
Quote from: thewobbler on December 18, 2023, 11:31:07 AMQuote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
Wouldn't heavy-handed policing be seen as a right wing approach?
Or is that only when it suits?
No it wouldn't, only by you and whitey probably.
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 11:31:43 AMQuote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
So following that logic people should be able to build whatever they want wherever they want without planning permission
And if anyone objects well-"just beat them off the road "
I find it so ironic that the biggest cheerleaders for open borders, Mary Lou, O Riordain & Co, are the first people to launch objections when they dont want something built in their own backyards because it will impact the local population
Listen lad. You are a yank, living in yank land. You know zero about Ireland these days it's quite clear. I've no idea why you continue to come onto this thread showing your ignorance. I've no interest in debating with you anymore as it's akin to debating with a child. So do me a favour and direct your nonsense to someone else. Ta
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
why wont inla-irsp types do anything i thought they were the socialist army/protectors of ireland.
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 11:31:43 AMQuote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
So following that logic people should be able to build whatever they want wherever they want without planning permission
And if anyone objects well-"just beat them off the road "
I find it so ironic that the biggest cheerleaders for open borders, Mary Lou, O Riordain & Co, are the first people to launch objections when they dont want something built in their own backyards because it will impact the local population
posh sinn fein types dont want the under class inside there posh neighbourhoods
Quote from: Eire90 on December 18, 2023, 01:05:27 PMQuote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 11:24:24 AMThis is what you get when you give light touch policing to the far right. We had a riot in Dublin now arson at a hotel. Time to beat these people off the road as I said here months ago
why wont inla-irsp types do anything i thought they were the socialist army/protectors of ireland.
Have you ever met these lads before?
I just can't square the circle that is Eire90. I was 💯 that it was just a WUP account initially and a pretty crap one at that. But i'm now struggling to believe someone could have that much time on their hands to keep it going so long and to maintain the same persona for that length of time. And to make so many pointless posts.
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I just had a great idea
Kings Hospital is Castleknock will be knocking off for the Christmas break later this week
Seeing as it's in Leo's constituency and seeing as he is a past pupil, wouldn't it be a great place to accomadate the 70 people displaced by the mysterious fire in Rosscahill
(Even better news-Roderick O Gorman went there too. Surely if they put their heads together between them they could coax the Board of Management into accomadating these unfortunates people)
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 02:23:55 PMI just had a great idea
Kings Hospital is Castleknock will be knocking off for the Christmas break later this week
Seeing as it's in Leo's constituency and seeing as he is a past pupil, wouldn't it be a great place to accomadate the 70 people displaced by the mysterious fire in Rosscahill
(Even better news-Roderick O Gorman went there too. Surely if they put their heads together between them they could coax the Board of Management into accomadating these unfortunates people)
You seem the type Whitey that wouldn't accommodate your granny if she had brown eyes
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2023, 02:50:45 PMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 02:23:55 PMI just had a great idea
Kings Hospital is Castleknock will be knocking off for the Christmas break later this week
Seeing as it's in Leo's constituency and seeing as he is a past pupil, wouldn't it be a great place to accomadate the 70 people displaced by the mysterious fire in Rosscahill
(Even better news-Roderick O Gorman went there too. Surely if they put their heads together between them they could coax the Board of Management into accomadating these unfortunates people)
You seem the type Whitey that wouldn't accommodate your granny if she had brown eyes
Here I am coming up with real solutions and all you can do is make silly jokes
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 04:49:22 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 18, 2023, 02:50:45 PMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 02:23:55 PMI just had a great idea
Kings Hospital is Castleknock will be knocking off for the Christmas break later this week
Seeing as it's in Leo's constituency and seeing as he is a past pupil, wouldn't it be a great place to accomadate the 70 people displaced by the mysterious fire in Rosscahill
(Even better news-Roderick O Gorman went there too. Surely if they put their heads together between them they could coax the Board of Management into accomadating these unfortunates people)
You seem the type Whitey that wouldn't accommodate your granny if she had brown eyes
Here I am coming up with real solutions and all you can do is make silly jokes
Yes, real solutions. You're a gas
The step over a homeless type person.
Just to make the racist Yanks day...
A few thousand people became Irish Cutizens today (even some Yanks among them)
173,000 in total since 2011.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 06:47:58 PMJust to make the racist Yanks day...
A few thousand people became Irish Cutizens today (even some Yanks among them)
173,000 in total since 2011.
Tell you what
Next time you're going on vacation, leave your passport at home and let us all know how you fare out at the airport
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 08:21:58 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 06:47:58 PMJust to make the racist Yanks day...
A few thousand people became Irish Cutizens today (even some Yanks among them)
173,000 in total since 2011.
Tell you what
Next time you're going on vacation, leave your passport at home and let us all know how you fare out at the airport
Not too many Americans have passports
What's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
Quote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 06:47:58 PMJust to make the racist Yanks day...
A few thousand people became Irish Cutizens today (even some Yanks among them)
173,000 in total since 2011.
I work with 2 guys who went through the process, one an Indian and one an American. You wouldn't meet two more prouder men and both deeply involved in coaching kids in their community in cricket and football. Most of these wasters out protesting don't lift a finger to help anyone, they are just useless fakes and good for nothings.
Quote from: Itchy on December 18, 2023, 10:52:35 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 06:47:58 PMJust to make the racist Yanks day...
A few thousand people became Irish Cutizens today (even some Yanks among them)
173,000 in total since 2011.
I work with 2 guys who went through the process, one an Indian and one an American. You wouldn't meet two more prouder men and both deeply involved in coaching kids in their community in cricket and football. Most of these wasters out protesting don't lift a finger to help anyone, they are just useless fakes and good for nothings.
A lot of free time for protesting and doing sweet feck all else
Quote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Well, thousands arrive here without passports and they've no problems getting in... So, I guess we do!
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Reread my post
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 10:03:24 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Reread my post
you know borders work in both directions right?
Quote from: burdizzo on December 19, 2023, 08:06:31 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Well, thousands arrive here without passports and they've no problems getting in... So, I guess we do!
and plenty ofpeople arriving with passports get refused entry also, so I guess there isnt.
Quote from: burdizzo on December 19, 2023, 08:06:31 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Well, thousands arrive here without passports and they've no problems getting in... So, I guess we do!
Do you want border posts back in south Armagh?
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 10:56:54 AMQuote from: burdizzo on December 19, 2023, 08:06:31 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Well, thousands arrive here without passports and they've no problems getting in... So, I guess we do!
and plenty ofpeople arriving with passports get refused entry also, so I guess there isnt.
Isn't it amazing-we're initially told that there was nothing we could do when people landed at Dublin Airport without proper identification.
Yet whenever we "crackdown" the numbers fall off a Cliff
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/asylum-claims-by-georgians-and-albanians-brought-to-abrupt-halt-1.4149447
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41064869.html
"Thousands" arrive without passports says our racist yank, wonder has he any link or data on that or official figures?
Assuming some turn up without passports I'd give an educated guess they ask for asylum/International Protection which means they have to be "let in" and looked after till their application is decided on.
I doubt if Taliban Afghanistan or Mullah Iran give their general population passports.
I'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 10:56:54 AMQuote from: burdizzo on December 19, 2023, 08:06:31 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Well, thousands arrive here without passports and they've no problems getting in... So, I guess we do!
and plenty ofpeople arriving with passports get refused entry also, so I guess there isnt.
Isn't it amazing-we're initially told that there was nothing we could do when people landed at Dublin Airport without proper identification.
Yet whenever we "crackdown" the numbers fall off a Cliff
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/asylum-claims-by-georgians-and-albanians-brought-to-abrupt-halt-1.4149447
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41064869.html
people were refused entry. That would be, let me check my notes, a border in operation.
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 11:52:57 AMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 10:56:54 AMQuote from: burdizzo on December 19, 2023, 08:06:31 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 07:22:59 AMQuote from: whitey on December 18, 2023, 10:12:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 18, 2023, 09:51:56 PMWhat's my passport got to do with 173,000 people taking Irish citizenship.
Anyway I could fly on Aer Lingus to England, Scotland or Wales without a passport.
Well I guess if you want to go somewhere else you're out of luck
you mean we dont have open borders?
Well, thousands arrive here without passports and they've no problems getting in... So, I guess we do!
and plenty ofpeople arriving with passports get refused entry also, so I guess there isnt.
Isn't it amazing-we're initially told that there was nothing we could do when people landed at Dublin Airport without proper identification.
Yet whenever we "crackdown" the numbers fall off a Cliff
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/asylum-claims-by-georgians-and-albanians-brought-to-abrupt-halt-1.4149447
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41064869.html
people were refused entry. That would be, let me check my notes, a border in operation.
After thousands (maybe tens of thousands) were let in before the "crackdown"
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AMIsn't it amazing-we're initially told that there was nothing we could do when people landed at Dublin Airport without proper identification.
Yet whenever we "crackdown" the numbers fall off a Cliff
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/asylum-claims-by-georgians-and-albanians-brought-to-abrupt-halt-1.4149447
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41064869.html
We? You live in America and contribute f**k all to Ireland.
It's ironic that you want to migrate when you retire, and to a country that you contributed nothing to but yet want the fruits of the society we've built to trickle down to you. It's the same kinda parasitic behaviour of these migrants you give out about ;D
Quote from: thebigfella on December 19, 2023, 12:43:54 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 11:24:29 AMIsn't it amazing-we're initially told that there was nothing we could do when people landed at Dublin Airport without proper identification.
Yet whenever we "crackdown" the numbers fall off a Cliff
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/asylum-claims-by-georgians-and-albanians-brought-to-abrupt-halt-1.4149447
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41064869.html
We? You live in America and contribute f**k all to Ireland.
It's ironic that you want to migrate when you retire, and to a country that you contributed nothing to but yet want the fruits of the society we've built to trickle down to you. It's the same kinda parasitic behaviour of these migrants you give out about ;D
I'm an Irish citizen and have as much right to an opinion as you do
I want things to be nice and quiet when I semi retire there in a few years
Quote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
Quote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
Quote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 02:13:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
Will we turn on the Palestinian refugees if they get into trouble? Or just that individual?
Quote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 02:13:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
did he come over from the UK?
Quote from: tonto1888 on December 19, 2023, 02:56:29 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 02:13:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
did he come over from the UK?
Don't know. But the UK judge asked that they not be let back to Britain once they served their sentences.
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/praise-for-police-as-judge-jails-slovakian-rape-gang-1871754
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 02:14:40 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 02:13:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
Will we turn on the Palestinian refugees if they get into trouble? Or just that individual?
If rigorous vetting occurs in advance of their arrival, the likelihood of hardened criminals entering the country is greatly reduced
It not like regular decent law abiding people turn into criminals once they are granted asylum in their host country
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 03:35:04 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 02:14:40 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 02:13:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
Will we turn on the Palestinian refugees if they get into trouble? Or just that individual?
If rigorous vetting occurs in advance of their arrival, the likelihood of hardened criminals entering the country is greatly reduced
It not like regular decent law abiding people turn into criminals once they are granted asylum in their host country
Plenty of Irish criminals in America.
Quote from: trailer on December 19, 2023, 03:39:02 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 03:35:04 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 02:14:40 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 02:13:09 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 12:59:33 PMQuote from: weareros on December 19, 2023, 11:50:51 AMI'm all for supporting refugees but some right scumbags from other countries have been let in unmonitored. This lad is still living openly in Ballagh - a town that has done more than any other town in Ireland to support refugees.
https://www.galwaybeo.ie/news/ireland-news/convicted-rape-gang-leader-roamed-6190565.amp
He's not a Refugee though, he's from another EU Country.
I know. It's the lack of monitoring of an individual like this by the authorities I had an issue with. Proud of my hometown for their welcoming of Syrian refugees. It's the right thing to do and I hope we as a country will give shelter to poor Palestinian refugeees too.
Will we turn on the Palestinian refugees if they get into trouble? Or just that individual?
If rigorous vetting occurs in advance of their arrival, the likelihood of hardened criminals entering the country is greatly reduced
It not like regular decent law abiding people turn into criminals once they are granted asylum in their host country
Plenty of Irish criminals in America.
Yes-and they're almost immediately deported if caught
And they are not fed and housed at the taxpayers expanse either
How in the name of fcuk can someone be "vetted in advance" if
1 They live in the CTA and can come here on the spur of the moment
2 Ditto for EU
3 They turn up unannounced and ask for International Protection.
As for the US deporting Irish criminals...
How many Irish illegal aliens are flouting the law in the US?
Quote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 06:42:19 PMHow in the name of fcuk can someone be "vetted in advance" if
1 They live in the CTA and can come here on the spur of the moment
2 Ditto for EU
3 They turn up unannounced and ask for International Protection.
As for the US deporting Irish criminals...
How many Irish illegal aliens are flouting the law in the US?
It can be done....there just isn't a will to do it in order to appease the open borders crowd
FFS there was some shower up in arms when the Guards started actually enforcing the law at Dublin Airport
https://www.newstalk.com/news/migrant-charity-voices-fears-over-garda-passport-checks-at-plane-steps-1435085
For CTA residents if you are establishing residency (as opposed to visiting for a weekend) do you not need a PPS Number? If they aren't doing a background check at that stage.....we'll then they should
If the same people are given housing benefit-should they not be vetted?
Would you want someone living next to you like that Slovakian from Ballaghadereen?
There's no solution that will catch every undesirable, but there seems to be little to no effort being made to weed out the bad ones
Funny how the number seeking International Protection fell off a Cliff when the Guards actually enforced EXISTING LAWS.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
Seems on Twitter we can see a lot of cosying up between the Irish far right (the ones turning up everywhere at protests, whether they be at hotels or at libraries) with British far right like little Tommy Robinson and indeed loyalists from the 6 counties. So just so you know who you are in bed with if you are off that persuasion.
And would it surprise anyone to read this about the Fianna Fail councillor who's down in galway playing up to the racists burning hotels...
https://www.ontheditch.com/council-says-it-wont-act/
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:24:57 PMhttps://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
"These problems are the inability of the government to provide housing, community infrastructure, services - particularly a fair and efficient health service to every person living in this country.
"So if every asylum seeker left this country tomorrow, we'd still have those problems.
"It's the policy vacuum that's the fundamental cause of the tensions that we've seen in the past few weeks."
Good post, thanks for highlighting where the problem lies. The government lol
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:07:06 PMQuote from: Rossfan on December 19, 2023, 06:42:19 PMHow in the name of fcuk can someone be "vetted in advance" if
1 They live in the CTA and can come here on the spur of the moment
2 Ditto for EU
3 They turn up unannounced and ask for International Protection.
As for the US deporting Irish criminals...
How many Irish illegal aliens are flouting the law in the US?
It can be done....there just isn't a will to do it in order to appease the open borders crowd
FFS there was some shower up in arms when the Guards started actually enforcing the law at Dublin Airport
https://www.newstalk.com/news/migrant-charity-voices-fears-over-garda-passport-checks-at-plane-steps-1435085
For CTA residents if you are establishing residency (as opposed to visiting for a weekend) do you not need a PPS Number? If they aren't doing a background check at that stage.....we'll then they should
If the same people are given housing benefit-should they not be vetted?
Would you want someone living next to you like that Slovakian from Ballaghadereen?
There's no solution that will catch every undesirable, but there seems to be little to no effort being made to weed out the bad ones
Funny how the number seeking International Protection fell off a Cliff when the Guards actually enforced EXISTING LAWS.
What law were the guards enforcing?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 09:27:52 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:24:57 PMhttps://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
"These problems are the inability of the government to provide housing, community infrastructure, services - particularly a fair and efficient health service to every person living in this country.
"So if every asylum seeker left this country tomorrow, we'd still have those problems.
"It's the policy vacuum that's the fundamental cause of the tensions that we've seen in the past few weeks."
Good post, thanks for highlighting where the problem lies. The government lol
You must have skipped over this part
This is coming from a Syrian living in Ireland
But even here, the recent surge in immigration to Ireland hasn't gone unnoticed, and Mr Cherbatji is open to voicing concerns.
"In the last two or three years, it seems to be out of control, the level of immigration," he says.
"There are no strict controls like there were before. I don't know what's changed regarding the government side of it.
"Look, immigration is okay, but as long as it's controlled, as long as there is Garda [police] vetting behind it.
"We don't want people who have dangerous backgrounds, or some sort of different backgrounds, landing as your next-door neighbour."
Quote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 10:28:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 09:27:52 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:24:57 PMhttps://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
"These problems are the inability of the government to provide housing, community infrastructure, services - particularly a fair and efficient health service to every person living in this country.
"So if every asylum seeker left this country tomorrow, we'd still have those problems.
"It's the policy vacuum that's the fundamental cause of the tensions that we've seen in the past few weeks."
Good post, thanks for highlighting where the problem lies. The government lol
You must have skipped over this part
This is coming from a Syrian living in Ireland
But even here, the recent surge in immigration to Ireland hasn't gone unnoticed, and Mr Cherbatji is open to voicing concerns.
"In the last two or three years, it seems to be out of control, the level of immigration," he says.
"There are no strict controls like there were before. I don't know what's changed regarding the government side of it.
"Look, immigration is okay, but as long as it's controlled, as long as there is Garda [police] vetting behind it.
"We don't want people who have dangerous backgrounds, or some sort of different backgrounds, landing as your next-door neighbour."
Read it, someone who was afforded refugee status doesn't want anyone else here..
If only the Americans did checks on ignorant grunts, we'd end up with you still living here.
Cllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 11:36:21 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 10:28:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 09:27:52 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:24:57 PMhttps://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
"These problems are the inability of the government to provide housing, community infrastructure, services - particularly a fair and efficient health service to every person living in this country.
"So if every asylum seeker left this country tomorrow, we'd still have those problems.
"It's the policy vacuum that's the fundamental cause of the tensions that we've seen in the past few weeks."
Good post, thanks for highlighting where the problem lies. The government lol
You must have skipped over this part
This is coming from a Syrian living in Ireland
But even here, the recent surge in immigration to Ireland hasn't gone unnoticed, and Mr Cherbatji is open to voicing concerns.
"In the last two or three years, it seems to be out of control, the level of immigration," he says.
"There are no strict controls like there were before. I don't know what's changed regarding the government side of it.
"Look, immigration is okay, but as long as it's controlled, as long as there is Garda [police] vetting behind it.
"We don't want people who have dangerous backgrounds, or some sort of different backgrounds, landing as your next-door neighbour."
Read it, someone who was afforded refugee status doesn't want anyone else here..
If only the Americans did checks on ignorant grunts, we'd end up with you still living here.
Must be pretty bad if a Syrian migrant living in Ireland is saying it. Just shows how out of touch you all are
When you're in a hole, stop digging.
Quote from: whitey on December 20, 2023, 02:08:29 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 11:36:21 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 10:28:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 09:27:52 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:24:57 PMhttps://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
"These problems are the inability of the government to provide housing, community infrastructure, services - particularly a fair and efficient health service to every person living in this country.
"So if every asylum seeker left this country tomorrow, we'd still have those problems.
"It's the policy vacuum that's the fundamental cause of the tensions that we've seen in the past few weeks."
Good post, thanks for highlighting where the problem lies. The government lol
You must have skipped over this part
This is coming from a Syrian living in Ireland
But even here, the recent surge in immigration to Ireland hasn't gone unnoticed, and Mr Cherbatji is open to voicing concerns.
"In the last two or three years, it seems to be out of control, the level of immigration," he says.
"There are no strict controls like there were before. I don't know what's changed regarding the government side of it.
"Look, immigration is okay, but as long as it's controlled, as long as there is Garda [police] vetting behind it.
"We don't want people who have dangerous backgrounds, or some sort of different backgrounds, landing as your next-door neighbour."
Read it, someone who was afforded refugee status doesn't want anyone else here..
If only the Americans did checks on ignorant grunts, we'd end up with you still living here.
Must be pretty bad if a Syrian migrant living in Ireland is saying it. Just shows how out of touch you all are
Are you legal in the USA?
America should deport all the illegal Irish and all those who engaged in sham marriages to get green cards.
Quote from: Eire90 on December 20, 2023, 01:48:54 AMCllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
He has a point about the landlords. There is some serious money being made housing refugees, its a side point as I do think we should do our fair share. However, its sickening to see some of the f**kers making money. One of those Healy Raes for example and the usual cronies are up to their neck in it.
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 09:59:47 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 20, 2023, 01:48:54 AMCllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
He has a point about the landlords. There is some serious money being made housing refugees, its a side point as I do think we should do our fair share. However, its sickening to see some of the f**kers making money. One of those Healy Raes for example and the usual cronies are up to their neck in it.
seems to be a lot of community hero wannabe del boy types that are involved too the local pub owner and bar man types
Quote from: trailer on December 20, 2023, 09:25:50 AMQuote from: whitey on December 20, 2023, 02:08:29 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 11:36:21 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 10:28:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2023, 09:27:52 PMQuote from: whitey on December 19, 2023, 07:24:57 PMhttps://news.sky.com/story/amp/is-immigration-to-ireland-out-of-control-many-in-the-land-of-a-hundred-thousand-welcomes-are-worried-13025649
Hey Rossfan-read what this Syrian from Ballyhaunis has to say
I suppose he's a right wing extremist
"These problems are the inability of the government to provide housing, community infrastructure, services - particularly a fair and efficient health service to every person living in this country.
"So if every asylum seeker left this country tomorrow, we'd still have those problems.
"It's the policy vacuum that's the fundamental cause of the tensions that we've seen in the past few weeks."
Good post, thanks for highlighting where the problem lies. The government lol
You must have skipped over this part
This is coming from a Syrian living in Ireland
But even here, the recent surge in immigration to Ireland hasn't gone unnoticed, and Mr Cherbatji is open to voicing concerns.
"In the last two or three years, it seems to be out of control, the level of immigration," he says.
"There are no strict controls like there were before. I don't know what's changed regarding the government side of it.
"Look, immigration is okay, but as long as it's controlled, as long as there is Garda [police] vetting behind it.
"We don't want people who have dangerous backgrounds, or some sort of different backgrounds, landing as your next-door neighbour."
Read it, someone who was afforded refugee status doesn't want anyone else here..
If only the Americans did checks on ignorant grunts, we'd end up with you still living here.
Must be pretty bad if a Syrian migrant living in Ireland is saying it. Just shows how out of touch you all are
Are you legal in the USA?
America should deport all the illegal Irish and all those who engaged in sham marriages to get green cards.
Just curious How long has a marriage to last so for it NOT to be called ""A Sham Marriage "" ?? Asking for a friend
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 09:59:47 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 20, 2023, 01:48:54 AMCllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
He has a point about the landlords. There is some serious money being made housing refugees, its a side point as I do think we should do our fair share. However, its sickening to see some of the f**kers making money. One of those Healy Raes for example and the usual cronies are up to their neck in it.
Sure they're getting a clean fortune so why wouldn't they? Is there a man on here that would turn down that money? Blame the clowns in government paying for it.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2023, 06:13:07 PMQuote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 09:59:47 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 20, 2023, 01:48:54 AMCllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
He has a point about the landlords. There is some serious money being made housing refugees, its a side point as I do think we should do our fair share. However, its sickening to see some of the f**kers making money. One of those Healy Raes for example and the usual cronies are up to their neck in it.
Sure they're getting a clean fortune so why wouldn't they? Is there a man on here that would turn down that money? Blame the clowns in government paying for it.
The point is that these guys are in bed with government, always have been. You've heard of the goings on in the Galway races tent I'm sure
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 07:15:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2023, 06:13:07 PMQuote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 09:59:47 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 20, 2023, 01:48:54 AMCllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
He has a point about the landlords. There is some serious money being made housing refugees, its a side point as I do think we should do our fair share. However, its sickening to see some of the f**kers making money. One of those Healy Raes for example and the usual cronies are up to their neck in it.
Sure they're getting a clean fortune so why wouldn't they? Is there a man on here that would turn down that money? Blame the clowns in government paying for it.
The point is that these guys are in bed with government, always have been. You've heard of the goings on in the Galway races tent I'm sure
There's plenty of very well known GAA men involved with ties to the government. It's the biggest get rich scheme in history.
The man whose family and companies have made the most is Seamus Banty McEnaney. They have multiple companies, in 2021 one of his companies made 15.78 million euro ! And that's just one of his companies, other family are involved and that was 2 years ago imagine the numbers now.
We're talking in the hundreds of millions no doubt.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/seamus-mcenaney-firm-receives-15-78m-in-state-direct-provision-payments-1.4758327
Sure why wouldn't he. Had the Corduff team away to Ibiza or somewhere like that last year after they won championship.
Quote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2023, 08:28:31 PMSure why wouldn't he. Had the Corduff team away to Ibiza or somewhere like that last year after they won championship.
Taxpayer's footed the bill really. Weren't they a bunch of thugs on the field also. He was paying Rory Gallagher, Jim Gavin and Jim McGuinness for training sessions.
Another one re Banty I heard recently he has bought the Creighton Hotel in Clones one of the last bars/hotels left to turn into another asylum centre. That whole town now has majority of migrants between refugees and the meat factory.
I wonder is Banty still the wheeler dealer hero in Monaghan, he surely has pissed off many people.
Quote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 07:15:35 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on December 20, 2023, 06:13:07 PMQuote from: Itchy on December 20, 2023, 09:59:47 AMQuote from: Eire90 on December 20, 2023, 01:48:54 AMCllr William O'Leary is the latest member of the Fianna Fáil party to speak against refugees. He told the bigots in Fermoy last night that it's 'state sponsored' re housing IPA's & those who benefit off it are 'no better than the English landlords & as bad as drug cartels'.
He has a point about the landlords. There is some serious money being made housing refugees, its a side point as I do think we should do our fair share. However, its sickening to see some of the f**kers making money. One of those Healy Raes for example and the usual cronies are up to their neck in it.
Sure they're getting a clean fortune so why wouldn't they? Is there a man on here that would turn down that money? Blame the clowns in government paying for it.
The point is that these guys are in bed with government, always have been. You've heard of the goings on in the Galway races tent I'm sure
The 2 FF Councillors in Galway and the one in Cork must have no spare properties.
The emergency accomodation for the homeless/evicted etc is another mighty earner. I've heard of €300 per night in Dublin 😮
Banty and his outfit own and run a lot of these asylum seeker centres in Monaghan, Cavan, Longford Louth all over the country. Probably in the North too.
I'm surprised he's managed to stay out of the public and media with everything going on.
Probably has Heather Humphreys on speed dial. A lot of these FF/FG crooks are making hay but the tide is turning on these guys. Don't be surprised if these Asylum seeker landlord companies are made the fall guy or start getting more heat.
Quote from: full moon on December 20, 2023, 08:45:17 PMBanty and his outfit own and run a lot of these asylum seeker centres in Monaghan, Cavan, Longford Louth all over the country. Probably in the North too.
I'm surprised he's managed to stay out of the public and media with everything going on.
Probably has Heather Humphreys on speed dial. A lot of these FF/FG crooks are making hay but the tide is turning on these guys. Don't be surprised if these Asylum seeker landlord companies are made the fall guy or start getting more heat.
Fall guy? Has he broke any laws?
Quote from: full moon on December 20, 2023, 08:45:17 PMBanty and his outfit own and run a lot of these asylum seeker centres in Monaghan, Cavan, Longford Louth all over the country. Probably in the North too.
I'm surprised he's managed to stay out of the public and media with everything going on.
Probably has Heather Humphreys on speed dial. A lot of these FF/FG crooks are making hay but the tide is turning on these guys. Don't be surprised if these Asylum seeker landlord companies are made the fall guy or start getting more heat.
Govt in the north arent paying big bucks for it are they?
There was definitely an article about Banty a while back, not sure which paper though.
They say some guy mcglinchey of finn view construction is involved aswell in the donegal area.
Very typical thread with people chatting about how much certain people are making from these centres. Posters who have no understanding of business, overheads, bank loans, tax, compliance and it goes on and on and on.
If there's piles of money to be made, and it's easy go on out and do it.
Quote from: trailer on December 21, 2023, 08:58:03 AMVery typical thread with people chatting about how much certain people are making from these centres. Posters who have no understanding of business, overheads, bank loans, tax, compliance and it goes on and on and on.
If there's piles of money to be made, and it's easy go on out and do it.
I do have an idea of business Trailer, you may not be familiar with what's happening in the south. Builders are buying dilapidated buildings for use as refugee centers. They do not need planning or to adhere to new building regulations. Therefore they are cramming people in to these places and absolutely creaming it in. I was told by someone in the know that the owner of these buildings is then getting 100 euro per day per person for accommodation and food.
Put that in perspective, there is a B&B in my local town that was purchased for the sole purpose of hosting refugees. He has 25 people in it. 25 x 100 x 7 = 17.5k per week. How many proper B&B's would take that in for a week, every week of the year?
I am not saying it should not be profitable but it strike me as pigs at the trough of human suffering.
Quote from: Itchy on December 21, 2023, 10:16:13 AMQuote from: trailer on December 21, 2023, 08:58:03 AMVery typical thread with people chatting about how much certain people are making from these centres. Posters who have no understanding of business, overheads, bank loans, tax, compliance and it goes on and on and on.
If there's piles of money to be made, and it's easy go on out and do it.
I do have an idea of business Trailer, you may not be familiar with what's happening in the south. Builders are buying dilapidated buildings for use as refugee centers. They do not need planning or to adhere to new building regulations. Therefore they are cramming people in to these places and absolutely creaming it in. I was told by someone in the know that the owner of these buildings is then getting 100 euro per day per person for accommodation and food.
Put that in perspective, there is a B&B in my local town that was purchased for the sole purpose of hosting refugees. He has 25 people in it. 25 x 100 x 7 = 17.5k per week. How many proper B&B's would take that in for a week, every week of the year?
I am not saying it should not be profitable but it strike me as pigs at the trough of human suffering.
These people are stepping in to provide where the state cannot. Happens in lots of areas in that the state will turn to the private sector to help.
So he is generating a revenue of €17.5k per week. What's it costing him/her? People throw figures around €100pp €300 a night etc, etc, and then a lot of people think that's what they are pocketing.
If those "entrepreneurs " weren't providing (over priced on the face of it) accomodation the 14,000 in emergency accomodation plus God knows how many asylum seekers/Ukrainians would have nowhere to go😕
I'm sure some are making a profit but some of these places were zombie hotels from Celtic tiger days that are now both fulfilling a good cause in housing refugees and providing local employment - eg local butchers are contracted to provide meat, etc. thus the disgrace of burning down a hotel that was not in use. So Christian of them.
Wait till they find out that Christianity was spread to Europe by Brown skinned middle Eastern single unvetted men.
If they were true irish patriots they would become celtic pagans
Quote from: Rossfan on December 21, 2023, 11:51:59 AMIf those "entrepreneurs " weren't providing (over priced on the face of it) accomodation the 14,000 in emergency accomodation plus God knows how many asylum seekers/Ukrainians would have nowhere to go😕
Ukraine?
Disgraceful scenes today in Roscrea. You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.
Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 08:37:52 PMDisgraceful scenes today in Roscrea. You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.
Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.
Nobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 08:37:52 PMDisgraceful scenes today in Roscrea. You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.
Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.
Disgraceful, all right. Imagine the State riding roughshod over its own CITIZENS in favour of any amount of illegal immigrants. Crazy.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Absolutely.
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Do you really think that if we keep letting in endless illegal immigrants that all our ways of life won't change?
Roscrea has a population of 5,500. the hotel is accommodation for 160.
This could all spiral out of control you could see something terrible happening to a poltician then the politicians freak out by calling the army and armed garda on to the streets but half of them refuse orders resulting in civil meltdown then the various factions and drug gangs declare war on each other with the chaos spreading north.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:00:07 PMDo you really think that if we keep letting in endless illegal immigrants that all our ways of life won't change?
If you genuinely think that, can you say in what way your way of life will change?
are hotel owners not passionate about doing hotel things anymore or are they only interested in the bucks
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2024, 10:03:56 PMThis could all spiral out of control you could see something terrible happening to a poltician then the politicians freak out by calling the army and armed garda on to the streets but half of them refuse orders resulting in civil meltdown then the various factions and drug gangs declare war on each other with the chaos spreading north.
Would you have Cillian Murphy or Barry Keoghan play the lead in your film?
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 15, 2024, 10:02:52 PMRoscrea has a population of 5,500. the hotel is accommodation for 160.
The whole point is that the town has already taken its share of 'asylum seekers'.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 15, 2024, 10:05:28 PMare hotel owners not passionate about doing hotel things anymore or are they only interested in the bucks
The bucks are very big!
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''
Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
God love them farmers.. hopefully the locals keep to themselves and leave the guys alone
Would it be ok for some Palestinian refugees come and stay or would they meet the same treatment that they are getting in Gaza?
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
while the govt say there's no money to fund basic services such as healthcare and education for Irish people (taxpayers), all of a sudden they find Billions of Euro to house and feed tens of thousands of "refugees" many of whom are simply economic migrants
An this is all footed by the taxpayer-madness!
If an election was held tomorrow, anti immigration candidates would win dozens of seats
Quote from: whitey on January 15, 2024, 10:36:26 PMwhile the govt say there's no money to fund basic services such as healthcare and education for Irish people (taxpayers), all of a sudden they find Billions of Euro to house and feed tens of thousands of "refugees" many of whom are simply economic migrants
An this is all footed by the taxpayer-madness!
If an election was held tomorrow, anti immigration candidates would win dozens of seats
Can you come back and join one of these parties? Ireland needs you
Unbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Madness! Should just throw them back to Crimea ffs!
Wise up
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
Jesus!! That's some stretch
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
The Irish government have plans to squirrel 100 BILLION Euro away over the next 10 years so if you can't get extra resource hours for schoolchildren, blame the Ukrainian kids. Keep punching down, hope it makes you feel the big man.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
No I think you'll find it's the preserve our 'way of life' people that were responsible for the reason the Church were able to get away with that for so long.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:48:38 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Madness! Should just throw them back to Crimea ffs!
Wise up
Wise up? The ones from Crimea aren't coming here, let me tell you. Do you follow what's going on, at all? Anyway, even if they were, why shouldn't an Irish citizen get priority in their own country?
way of life or financial? or does it matter.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:53:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:48:38 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Madness! Should just throw them back to Crimea ffs!
Wise up
Wise up? The ones from Crimea aren't coming here, let me tell you. Do you follow what's going on, at all? Anyway, even if they were, why shouldn't an Irish citizen get priority in their own country?
Oh I can assure you that if there are Ukrainians here, there will be some that fled Crimea in 2014. It's clear you are the one with zero understanding of what went on there. But that's for another thread.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:49:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
Jesus!! That's some stretch
I don't think so MR2.
When the stock response to every mumbling, every quibble, every thought, is to decry the concern as racism, then you're dealing with someone who is caught in a mangle between zealotry and denial.
It's the same type of thought process that condemns people to hell for not going to mass.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:52:46 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
No I think you'll find it's the preserve our 'way of life' people that were responsible for the reason the Church were able to get away with that for so long.
On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam.
there is an election coming in june if lots of political insurgent types get elected it will be a message to full time political types that there system can be used against them to cause chaos.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:53:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:48:38 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Madness! Should just throw them back to Crimea ffs!
Wise up
Wise up? The ones from Crimea aren't coming here, let me tell you. Do you follow what's going on, at all? Anyway, even if they were, why shouldn't an Irish citizen get priority in their own country?
So you don't think people were displaced from Crimea then had to move again because the Russians have started a war! Mad
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:57:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:49:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
Jesus!! That's some stretch
I don't think so MR2.
When the stock response to every mumbling, every quibble, every thought, is to decry the concern as racism, then you're dealing with someone who is caught in a mangle between zealotry and denial.
It's the same type of thought process that condemns people to hell for not going to mass.
The zealots are those manning the barricades against some imagined threat. Calling it a 'plantation' ffs!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:57:59 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:52:46 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
No I think you'll find it's the preserve our 'way of life' people that were responsible for the reason the Church were able to get away with that for so long.
On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam.
Do you have issues with church of Ireland
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 11:00:13 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:53:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:48:38 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Madness! Should just throw them back to Crimea ffs!
Wise up
Wise up? The ones from Crimea aren't coming here, let me tell you. Do you follow what's going on, at all? Anyway, even if they were, why shouldn't an Irish citizen get priority in their own country?
Crimea is overwhelmingly pro-Russia. Anyway, that's for another thread.
For this one - why shouldn't an IRISH citizen be prioritised in their own country?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 11:05:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:57:59 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:52:46 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
No I think you'll find it's the preserve our 'way of life' people that were responsible for the reason the Church were able to get away with that for so long.
On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam.
Do you have issues with church of Ireland
What are you on about?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:03:00 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:57:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:49:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
Jesus!! That's some stretch
I don't think so MR2.
When the stock response to every mumbling, every quibble, every thought, is to decry the concern as racism, then you're dealing with someone who is caught in a mangle between zealotry and denial.
It's the same type of thought process that condemns people to hell for not going to mass.
The zealots are those manning the barricades against some imagined threat. Calling it a 'plantation' ffs!
And once again.
"Imagined threat". Or as you keep putting it, if a person has any concerns with immigration in their town, it's because they're a racist. No other reason. All other reasons are imaginary. Just racism. Racism racism racism. Racism. Racism. Repeat to fade.
It's a way of shutting down the debate - as if there ever was one. And now there's the start of a debate, they're finding they're not so good at it!
Buzz, is it people with different coloured skin? Different religions beliefs or people from other countries?
We were farmed out to every country in the world because there was nothing here.
As for shutting down debate, not sure boycotting, rioting, burning down facilities is much of a debate
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:05:59 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 11:00:13 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:53:58 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:48:38 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 10:44:28 PMUnbelievable the resources being thrown at this by the government. If you're looking for extra resource hours for Irish children in a school - "Oooh, I don't think we could manage that". But for Ukrainians, you'll have 'em in jig time.
Madness! Should just throw them back to Crimea ffs!
Wise up
Wise up? The ones from Crimea aren't coming here, let me tell you. Do you follow what's going on, at all? Anyway, even if they were, why shouldn't an Irish citizen get priority in their own country?
Crimea is overwhelmingly pro-Russia. Anyway, that's for another thread.
For this one - why shouldn't an IRISH citizen be prioritised in their own country?
Ukrainians had to flee Crimea for their lives in 2014 - the results of a sham referendum don't change that fact - but that's for another thread.
Anyway, why should anyone need to be prioritised when the government can afford to provide for all.
But you prefer to punch down instead of up. It's easier.
Burdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.
I was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:24:44 PMBurdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.
Oh yeah? Where was that, then?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:27:22 PMI was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:28:59 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:24:44 PMBurdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.
Oh yeah? Where was that, then?
Are you a goldfish?
"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:28:59 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:24:44 PMBurdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.
Oh yeah? Where was that, then?
Are you a goldfish?
"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "
It's not anti-Islamic, at all. Maybe I can't wait for the day your lovely liberal values are eroded!! And, by the way, one line does not constitute "a fair bit".
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:29:55 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:27:22 PMI was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?
What are you talking about?!! Sheesh! Ye spiteful socialists are really no good at this!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:34:06 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:28:59 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:24:44 PMBurdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.
Oh yeah? Where was that, then?
Are you a goldfish?
"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "
It's not anti-Islamic, at all. Maybe I can't wait for the day your lovely liberal values are eroded!! And, by the way, one line does not constitute "a fair bit".
It is completely anti-Islamic. Did you let the mask slip? Anger does that.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:35:08 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:29:55 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:27:22 PMI was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?
What are you talking about?!! Sheesh! Ye spiteful socialists are really no good at this!
You were complaining about Irish school kids not getting something or other but money was found for the Ukrainians. Anyway, like I said, punching down on the new arrivals, rather than on the government who can afford for all. Brave man.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:39:44 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:34:06 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:31:23 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:28:59 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:24:44 PMBurdizzo has already spewed a fair bit of anti-Islamic sentiment here but he definitely isn't a racist. He has other legitimate concerns about his Way of
life being eroded.
Oh yeah? Where was that, then?
Are you a goldfish?
"On yeah - wait 'till there's a significant minority of Muslims here, and then you'll see your wonderful liberal values being eroded. Ironically, no Church, no bulwark against Islam. "
It's not anti-Islamic, at all. Maybe I can't wait for the day your lovely liberal values are eroded!! And, by the way, one line does not constitute "a fair bit".
It is completely anti-Islamic. Did you let the mask slip? Anger does that.
Not at all. I'm just pointing out how Islamic values are completely contrary to the ones you profess to espouse!
What's those values?
Terrorising refugees?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:43:35 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:35:08 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:29:55 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:27:22 PMI was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
So there are Ukrainian only schools in Ireland?
What are you talking about?!! Sheesh! Ye spiteful socialists are really no good at this!
You were complaining about Irish school kids not getting something or other but money was found for the Ukrainians. Anyway, like I said, punching down on the new arrivals, rather than on the government who can afford for all. Brave man.
Nah. No government can afford to fund resources for never-ending amounts of immigrants. I still think the government we elect and pay for should prioritise Irish citizens. You can spout all your lovely Marxist buzzwords, but that's just the reality.
Now, I've work to do tomorrow, so I'm not going to stay up all night arguing with you. Goodnight, Sweetie!
A bit of housekeeping might be in order on this thread.
Maybe a few posters will take this opportunity to retire.
So in addition to Varadkar there are several other Government TDs on tape saying that asylum seekers must claim Aslylum in the first country they land in
Now that's "a right wing talking point"
So why don't the Government stop treating the electorate like imbiciles and explain to us in Black and White how their interpretation of that law has changed
Did they get legal advice from the Attorney General before adopting this new interpretation?
https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1742963564623610068?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:27:22 PMI was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
Stop speaking sense ye big racist
Spent a year in Indonesia. Been back a few times. Mostly Muslim population. I've never met nicer, warmer people. Couldn't do enough for you. As an atheist, I think we could all do with a bit more Islam, at least as I encountered it.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 11:09:50 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 11:03:00 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:57:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2024, 10:49:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 10:48:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 10:33:00 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
The Irish state will pay for it. The pocket money given to the asylum seekers will go straight into the local economy. A bit like the dole - none of it is being squirrelled away in an off shore tax haven.
The 'problem' as you call it exists in the heads of these people, whipped up by racist scum bags on Xitter and hundreds of bot accounts (that's well organised by someone).
Has your 'way of life' been affected thus far?
You are utterly obsessed with racism.
People like you are the reason the Catholic Church could house paedophile rings for decades. You have no interest in understanding what's going on. No interest in listening. All you want to do is bang a drum.
Jesus!! That's some stretch
I don't think so MR2.
When the stock response to every mumbling, every quibble, every thought, is to decry the concern as racism, then you're dealing with someone who is caught in a mangle between zealotry and denial.
It's the same type of thought process that condemns people to hell for not going to mass.
The zealots are those manning the barricades against some imagined threat. Calling it a 'plantation' ffs!
And once again.
"Imagined threat". Or as you keep putting it, if a person has any concerns with immigration in their town, it's because they're a racist. No other reason. All other reasons are imaginary. Just racism. Racism racism racism. Racism. Racism. Repeat to fade.
But he's asked you a few times to explain those reasons, and you haven't done so. And those few who have, have had clear racist undertones.
So what are the concerns with a town with a population of about 5,000 being landed with about 150 refugees?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2024, 04:55:28 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 11:27:22 PMI was saying, it's easier to get extra resources for Ukrainians, than for Irish. So, the government appears to be prioritising the Ukrainians, when it should be the other way around. Y'know - should OUR government - you know, the ones WE elect to 'serve' US - provide for all the world, with OUR taxes?
Stop speaking sense ye big racist
But it's a blatant lie to say Ukrainians or any other refugees are treated better than Irish by the government. Our welfare system is one of the more generous ones in the EU, far more so than UK. We have what is regarded as full employment and those who can't or won't work get a comparatively reasonable payout (in fact there would be some complaints that those who refuse to work get too much).
I am sure you will point to some rare example somewhere to prove a point with an exception, but there's not many Irish who would want to swap places with a Ukrainian refugee in sheltered accommodation.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 15, 2024, 09:41:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 08:37:52 PMDisgraceful scenes today in Roscrea. You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.
Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.
Disgraceful, all right. Imagine the State riding roughshod over its own CITIZENS in favour of any amount of illegal immigrants. Crazy.
if these people have came in and claimed asylum, which I am assuming they have, then they are not illegal
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 08:37:52 PMDisgraceful scenes today in Roscrea. You didn't have to scratch the surface very hard for some Irish to show their true colours - absolute racist, hate-filled bigots.
Hundreds of obvious bot accounts on Xitter weighing in behind them as well and really stirring things up. Who is behind that I wonder.
Nobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
what exactly is scary about it
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 10:14:36 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 15, 2024, 09:54:03 PMQuote from: From the Bunker on January 15, 2024, 09:41:52 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2024, 08:53:45 PMNobody is behind it. Not in an organised way.
Rural townsfolk aren't used to strangers. They just aren't. This is often and lazily portrayed as owing to the people being inbred Neanderthals.
But that's not it. Most small inland towns in Ireland would have one small hotel, if that. They don't have tourists. They don't host conferences, or big social events, and the only people who go to their small festivals are from the hinterland. The local businesses are there to provide services for local people. The motorway network has removed most of the passers by.
Unless they happen to work outside their own town, they won't encounter a stranger from one month to the next apart from in a sporting context, if that way involved, and then only fleetingly.
And that's their way of life. It's not a way of living thats unfriendly to outsiders, not even wary. Just completely unaccustomed.
But 10% of their population is soon to be made up of people from a completely different culture, means, and way of life.
Thats scary.
So when the likes of you describe them as racist, hate-filled bigots. Just do yourself a favour. Show a bit of empathy for the locals.
This is not a black and white situation.
Great post. There is a huge level of the unknown. You can't be expecting people to sit on their hands and watch their community drastically change in way that no one can predict.
Yes it's terrible, townsfolk will have to now walk around Roscrea and look at some people from another country where they don't have white skin. I can't imagine how they will cope when they've never had to do that before.
Can you explain to me how their 'way of life' is threatened exactly?
Can you explain where all the money is coming from to finance this?
Can you explain why we are almost turning a blind eye to this problem?
Can you explain why local, national and international media don't cover our ''Problem'' in any critical way?
Can you explain all the local investors who are sprouting up to provide accommodation (and making lots of money)?
Can you explain the conflicts that are currently happening in Algeria, Albania, Nigeria, etc that are making these Refugees come here?
Can you explain how 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you explain why 70% of these refugees/immigrants get on a plane with papers and get off one without?
Can you give me a figure of what is the appropriate ceiling of people to allow into the country? Half a Million? A Million?
Do you think that this massive influx will have an influence on our already stretched Health, Education, Travel, Judicial, Cultural systems?
you do know there doesnt have to be conflict in any area to make someone a refugee/asylum seeker dont you?
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 12:39:40 AMSo in addition to Varadkar there are several other Government TDs on tape saying that asylum seekers must claim Aslylum in the first country they land in
Now that's "a right wing talking point"
So why don't the Government stop treating the electorate like imbiciles and explain to us in Black and White how their interpretation of that law has changed
Did they get legal advice from the Attorney General before adopting this new interpretation?
https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1742963564623610068?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg
and they would be incorrect
Some very unchristian "Christians" among us.
They might just look up the Gospels and see the kind of things Jesus said therein. ;)
I see the "Roscrea concerned 200" have attracted the nazifascists from Cork and Dublin who now make up more than 50% of the 200 bigots.
So we have 100 residents from a town of 5,000
They excelled themselves yesterday abusing women and children, a bit like the Holy Cross situation 20+ years ago.
That Racket Hall Hotel is out in the Country with a few farmers for immediate neighbours.
The issues of GPs, etc only seems to become a problem if some black skinned people are accommodated.
Didn't seem to bring out any "concerned" townspeople when about 5 or 6 times more white skinned Ukrainians were moved in!
Quote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2024, 10:11:18 AMSome very unchristian "Christians" among us.
They might just look up the Gospels and see the kind of things Jesus said therein. ;)
I see the "Roscrea concerned 200" have attracted the nazifascists from Cork and Dublin who now make up more than 50% of the 200 bigots.
So we have 100 residents from a town of 5,000
They excelled themselves yesterday abusing women and children, a bit like the Holy Cross situation 20+ years ago.
That Racket Hall Hotel is out in the Country with a few farmers for immediate neighbours.
The issues of GPs, etc only seems to become a problem if some black skinned people are accommodated.
Didn't seem to bring out any "concerned" townspeople when about 5 or 6 times more white skinned Ukrainians were moved in!
This issue attracts both the right wing elements and the open door crowd and both prevent any realistic assessment of the situation. Ukrainians are Europeans and you will do more to help your neighbours than someone from another continent who has passed many places en route because they think they will get more from the taxpayer here.
Seriously grim reading in here... The land of a hundred thousand welcomes*
* colour dependent
Quote from: JoG2 on January 16, 2024, 10:34:03 AMSeriously grim reading in here... The land of a hundred thousand welcomes*
* colour dependent
Especially given our own past. Eaten bread soon forgotten.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2024, 08:17:33 AMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 12:39:40 AMSo in addition to Varadkar there are several other Government TDs on tape saying that asylum seekers must claim Aslylum in the first country they land in
Now that's "a right wing talking point"
So why don't the Government stop treating the electorate like imbiciles and explain to us in Black and White how their interpretation of that law has changed
Did they get legal advice from the Attorney General before adopting this new interpretation?
https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1742963564623610068?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg
and they would be incorrect
So explain WHY ITS INCORRECT
Why and how has the interpretation of the law changed
It's quite simple-people are owed an explanation
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 10:29:58 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 16, 2024, 10:11:18 AMSome very unchristian "Christians" among us.
They might just look up the Gospels and see the kind of things Jesus said therein. ;)
I see the "Roscrea concerned 200" have attracted the nazifascists from Cork and Dublin who now make up more than 50% of the 200 bigots.
So we have 100 residents from a town of 5,000
They excelled themselves yesterday abusing women and children, a bit like the Holy Cross situation 20+ years ago.
That Racket Hall Hotel is out in the Country with a few farmers for immediate neighbours.
The issues of GPs, etc only seems to become a problem if some black skinned people are accommodated.
Didn't seem to bring out any "concerned" townspeople when about 5 or 6 times more white skinned Ukrainians were moved in!
Ukrainians are Europeans and you will do more to help your neighbours than someone from another continent who has passed many places en route because they think they will get more from the taxpayer here.
"We should only help people that look like us"
"All the foreigners are only here for social welfare"
would the gombeens be bringing in refugees if there was no money involved.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2024, 12:15:46 PMwould the gombeens be bringing in refugees if there was no money involved.
Not a chance.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on January 16, 2024, 04:57:46 AMSpent a year in Indonesia. Been back a few times. Mostly Muslim population. I've never met nicer, warmer people. Couldn't do enough for you. As an atheist, I think we could all do with a bit more Islam, at least as I encountered it.
You'll soon change yer liberal tune when the Muslamics are building a super Mosque on a GAA pitch near you! Any day now!
Make Ireland Great Again.
#IrelandIsFool #Plantatiom2024
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2024, 12:15:46 PMwould the gombeens be bringing in refugees if there was no money involved.
Errr...Refugees turn up.
The gombeens make their properties available for people who are here already.....
for a good amount of €€€s of course.
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 11:23:48 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 16, 2024, 08:17:33 AMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 12:39:40 AMSo in addition to Varadkar there are several other Government TDs on tape saying that asylum seekers must claim Aslylum in the first country they land in
Now that's "a right wing talking point"
So why don't the Government stop treating the electorate like imbiciles and explain to us in Black and White how their interpretation of that law has changed
Did they get legal advice from the Attorney General before adopting this new interpretation?
https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1742963564623610068?s=46&t=lH_6NhrWXceXekvYr1XRpg
and they would be incorrect
So explain WHY ITS INCORRECT
Why and how has the interpretation of the law changed
It's quite simple-people are owed an explanation
google is your friend. Yes, people are owed an explanation as to why politicians are misleading them on it
There is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
There isn't much cultural difference between an American and an Irish person anyway. I grew up watching American television shows, movies and music. You could call it the 'Anglosphere'.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on January 16, 2024, 03:34:00 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
There isn't much cultural difference between an American and an Irish person anyway. I grew up watching American television shows, movies and music. You could call it the 'Angloshere'.
You only think that until you go there and hang out with them.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
Exactly.Ireland is a prosperous country in its own right, if you like America then you stay, if not then you go home. You do not stay in America and gripe about it or form a jihadi group to try and overthrow it. Many Americans come here and the same thing applies to EU countries. The same would apply to any Japanese or Singaporeans that come here, they have choices. What is dangerous are people who do not like the country but come here anyway because of deficiencies in their own country. The most recent lot in Rosslare did not even seem to know what country they were going to!
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:35:39 PMYou only think that until you go there and hang out with them.
The Anglosphere is overrated. But that does not change the fact that America has had a long association with Ireland and with our immediate neighbours and other European countries and so has more similarities culturally with us than Afghanistan.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.
There's wee armagh18 pandering to the likes of Whitney and buzz cut again.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2024, 04:08:00 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.
Why are they c*nts exactly?
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
And where in Ireland have 1000 ME/African migrants moved into a village of 500?
Quote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
High percentage of them rapists and pedophiles, eh??
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2024, 04:08:00 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.
The absolute state of this,and you the resident Tate fanboy. All depends on the skin colour. Disgusting
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2024, 04:08:00 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.
The c7nt beside me is from Armagh. What's he doing living in Tyrone? F7cking Armagh w**ker.
Quote from: trailer on January 16, 2024, 04:25:56 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 16, 2024, 04:08:00 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 04:01:15 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:08:35 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:48:25 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 02:28:31 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:55:47 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:38:30 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
If you are from County Galway and go into a "Galway" pub in Boston you'll probably be in some way related to half the people in there.
Yes-you'll have more in common with other "off the boat" Irish people, but your cultural DNA is almost identical to first and second generation people
I went into a pub one time and got talking to the bartender. Find out he often gave my mother a lift to a dance on the crossbar of his bike, and the his father played partners with my grandmother in 25 card games. How much "assimilation" would I need to have with his kids or my kids with him. We're essentially family
So you assimilated with the barman who was also from Ireland. Sounds like a great cultural melting pot.
Re read my post
I read it correctly. Your kids and his (second generation) will be culturally similar and hang around with each other.
How does this differ from, for example, lots of Syrians coming to Ireland and associating mainly with each other?
Re read it again
Me and his kids
My kids and him
Re the Syrians-apples and bowling balls
Incoming Syrians would be culturally identical to other Syrians but not the Native Irish
Incoming Irish (in the States) would be culturally identical to BOTH Irish Americans and other Irish people
That's ok. I get it. It can be apples and apples. We just have to wait a generation for the 2nd generation Syrian-Irish to establish and then any further Syrian immigrants can feel comfy chatting to the barman in a Syrian pub.
Oh but wait..the Irish see immigration as a tradition reserved only for themselves. Not for others to come here, only for us to go there.
Those Irish-Americans didn't appear from nowhere. They are the children of immigrants.
If you're Irish and you move to some towns in Metro Boston you're moving to a town that's 50-60% Irish American
While you might not hang out with them, culturally you are very similar if not identical
Putting 1000 Middle Eastern or African Males into a rural Irish village of 500 people is not a recipient for success
Exactly. Wonder would the boys on here crying racist be as keen to move a crowd of the c***ts in next door to them.
The c7nt beside me is from Armagh. What's he doing living in Tyrone? F7cking Armagh w**ker.
Cultural enrichment
A neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.
Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...
I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.
I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 16, 2024, 04:52:21 PMA neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.
Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...
I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.
I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.
All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 05:11:51 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 16, 2024, 04:52:21 PMA neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.
Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...
I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.
I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.
All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?
The prejudice is reeking off you. You have no idea what the opinions of immigrants are to family members marrying locals. None whatsoever.
Armagh18 or Combat18?
Is this bred into people still or are you just born a Cnut?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 05:26:01 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 05:11:51 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 16, 2024, 04:52:21 PMA neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.
Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...
I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.
I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.
All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?
The prejudice is reeking off you. You have no idea what the opinions of immigrants are to family members marrying locals. None whatsoever.
Neither do you have any idea.
Quote from: Rudi on January 04, 2023, 01:59:15 PMIts pretty obvious to me that Ireland is full, in terms of infrastructure that meets accept health & safety criteria. Our local village / town has taken in about 160 from the Ukraine. They live in substandard conditions, heaps of them packed into small hastily partitioned rooms, the building previously a dis-used factory. The building does not meet heath & safety regulations, yet a blind eye is turned to this, the fat cats that own the building (local scumbags / politicans etc) are cleaning up money wise, its a gravy train for the usual suspects.
My daughters class has gone from 26 pupils to 36 pupils in a year, she & all of their class mates are not getting a half decent education. The sewerage system / drinking water infrastructure can't handle the sudden shock increase in population. Saying Ireland is full goes beyond perceived living square miles of open space.
I feel sorry for Ukrainians & others who are genuine in their applications for political assylum, we do need as a country to try & do our best to accommodate them as best we can. Open borders to everybody should not exist, people who come here over the age of 22 should contribute to society, as regards people who come here & cause bother, they should be fucked out straight away, no ifs no buts no bleeding hearts.
I have mixed views on East Wall, some God dam awful racist pricks involved, but putting 300 males into a village / esb buliding not fit for use, without consultation is not a good idea. Again what ammenities, resources do these people have.
On a national level do we have enough hospital beds, teachers, GP's etc, civil service personnel, Police to cater for a sharp rise in population? We don't, so we are full. Sinn Fein the peoples party have remained very silent on all this.
Another thing people are annoyed with, why dont some of these settlements end up in leafy addresses in D4 etc.
Whether or not you consider Ireland overpopulated, there is a limit on the rate of increase that can be accommodated without someone seriously losing out.
At no time between 1860 and 1910 did the proportion of foreign born in the US exceed 15%, which we have here now. But you can't just go and build a little house in the prairie here.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 03:44:44 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:29:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 16, 2024, 01:22:49 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 01:11:29 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 12:56:03 PMThere is a great deal of simplistic talk on this thread.
The fact is that 6 billion people in the world cannot all come to this island, that is not a criticism of them as individuals but simply a measure of their aggregate effect.
It is not a question of race, but most of the poor people are not white, and the ability of people to integrate is function of their cultural similarity to start off with.
And while many of the Irish who went to Britain or America were builders, most of those who come here are not and do not increase the ability of the country to house people.
The Irish builders who went to the US in the 90s/00s, hung around with other Irish, drank in Irish bars, ate in Irish restaurants/coffee shops where available and when they couldn't stick it any more, came home. Not much cultural assimilation there.
Nonsense
I've lived in the States for 30+ years
Irish people (off the boat) are almost culturally identical to Irish Americans to begin with
Many are related to people in the communities they settle in.
They are of the same religion.
They work in the same trades
The number of Irish that spend a few years there and come back vastly outnumber those that stay. I know cos I'm one of them and all the lads I worked with, every single one are back in Ireland now. They regarded the yanks mostly with bemusement, sometimes with scorn. Zero assimilation as far as I could see.
Exactly.Ireland is a prosperous country in its own right, if you like America then you stay, if not then you go home. You do not stay in America and gripe about it or form a jihadi group to try and overthrow it. Many Americans come here and the same thing applies to EU countries. The same would apply to any Japanese or Singaporeans that come here, they have choices. What is dangerous are people who do not like the country but come here anyway because of deficiencies in their own country. The most recent lot in Rosslare did not even seem to know what country they were going to!
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 03:35:39 PMYou only think that until you go there and hang out with them.
The Anglosphere is overrated. But that does not change the fact that America has had a long association with Ireland and with our immediate neighbours and other European countries and so has more similarities culturally with us than Afghanistan.
not uncommon wit asylum seekers
mayo county council votes to cease all operations to do with the government and thier refugee scheme
Quote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 05:32:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 16, 2024, 05:26:01 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 16, 2024, 05:11:51 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 16, 2024, 04:52:21 PMA neighbour is married to a Uruguayan, another to a Latvian, another to a Mexican, another to a Brazilian, another to an American and another to an Asian(not sure which country). There are also a few Dubs and even a brit about too.
Should I be getting worried? they all have irish partners, is that ok? is it only if they are all Mexicans, Brazils, Uruguayans etc. that i need to worry or is it just the Africans. Should I tell my neighbours in case they havent realised that they are culturely different...
I have an Irish wife, but I might get her to do an ancestry.com as I am beginning to think you can never be too careful.
I also live within 7kms of two direct provision hotels used by refugees and cannot recall any issues with locals.
All these things are true, but they do not shed much light on the issue. People who come willing to marry a local are not really the issue, how about people who would be disgusted if their daughter married a local?
The prejudice is reeking off you. You have no idea what the opinions of immigrants are to family members marrying locals. None whatsoever.
Neither do you have any idea.
That's right, how could I? The difference is I haven't filled my head with prejudiced nonsense, like you have.
At least you admit you haven't a clue what their opinion is.
rumours tipperary to follow mayos lead and tell dublin to do one
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2024, 08:07:42 PMrumours tipperary to follow mayos lead and tell dublin to do one
Good for them. People finally starting to wake up. Of course, there's local elections coming, too, which might not be completely irrelevant...
Quote from: Eire90 on January 16, 2024, 08:07:42 PMrumours tipperary to follow mayos lead and tell dublin to do one
what's the make up of Mayo and tipp council... FFG amd independents I assume
edit: heavy ffg in Mayo... split ffg and independent in Tipp.
The problem is not trickles of people settling here, People here married to Irish, here from EU to work, here from Britain, legitimate refugees and so on.....
The question is where does this stop? Do we have a ceiling of the amount we let in? Do we just have a free for all?
We are a small populated country. A substantial influx will have a huge influence on our Health, education, Social, Cultural, Criminal systems that are already under pressure.
There used to be a reason for Passports, Visas, Borders and so on, but that seems to have vanished in the last couple of years.
Saying the above is now cheaply labeled as racist.
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Apparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 03:12:14 AMApparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea
So they close the one that is open and then buy another one! Had the bought the old one last year when Russia invaded Ukraine then they would not have need to close the operational one.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 17, 2024, 09:41:44 AMQuote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 03:12:14 AMApparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea
So they close the one that is open and then buy another one! Had the bought the old one last year when Russia invaded Ukraine then they would not have need to close the operational one.
The Private owner of the Racket Hall obviously decided he could make more € by making it available to the State for accommodating asylum seekers.
Being out in the Country on a former main road not the most profitable I suspect.
How many of the hotel and ither property owners in Mayo who are making loads of € from accommodating Ukranians/asylum seekers are members or supporters of FF and FG.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 03:12:14 AMApparently the government are going to buy a disused hotel in the middle of roscrea
The government didn't play it very well. They are too vulnerable to attack by the far right.
They should anticipate problems instead of walking into them and making arses of themselves.
They say nearly every hotel in ireland has some sort of connection to a td/councillor
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 12:17:39 PMThey say nearly every hotel in ireland has some sort of connection to a td/councillor
Who says?
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 12:17:39 PMThey say nearly every hotel in ireland has some sort of connection to a td/councillor
*citation needed
There was another fire last night will the government consider these fires as terror attacks soon
I wonder do these protesters go out and protest against the war in Gaza?
Fire lit in the doorway of former convent building in Lanesboro, Longford
Building hasn't been used for accommodation for a good number of years.
You'd wonder is it the same few gougers going around with zip fire lighters in their pockets
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 08:22:21 PMI wonder do these protesters go out and protest against the war in Gaza?
No
it would mixed with them a lot would probably be pro isreal as palestanians tend to be a darker color and are muslim so you have that element but some would be anti isreal as there a lot in the conspiracy community who think the jews are behind everything and its the jews bringing immigrants into ireland then there probably some that dont care.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 09:55:36 PMit would mixed with them a lot would probably be pro isreal as palestanians tend to be a darker color and are muslim so you have that element but some would be anti isreal as there a lot in the conspiracy community who think the jews are behind everything and its the jews bringing immigrants into ireland then there probably some that dont care.
Would those that are pro Palestine be happy to have a family displaced from Gaza living next door to them? Or would they burn them out?
Conflicting
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 09:59:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 09:55:36 PMit would mixed with them a lot would probably be pro isreal as palestanians tend to be a darker color and are muslim so you have that element but some would be anti isreal as there a lot in the conspiracy community who think the jews are behind everything and its the jews bringing immigrants into ireland then there probably some that dont care.
Would those that are pro Palestine be happy to have a family displaced from Gaza living next door to them? Or would they burn them out?
Conflicting
I imagine those who are pro Palestine, if they exist would want them to live in Palestine, where palestinains also want to live, they don't want to be displaced further.
Building owner in Longford pulls out of agreement to house 85 Ukrainians after a fire took place at the property last night.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 17, 2024, 10:19:17 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 09:59:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 09:55:36 PMit would mixed with them a lot would probably be pro isreal as palestanians tend to be a darker color and are muslim so you have that element but some would be anti isreal as there a lot in the conspiracy community who think the jews are behind everything and its the jews bringing immigrants into ireland then there probably some that dont care.
Would those that are pro Palestine be happy to have a family displaced from Gaza living next door to them? Or would they burn them out?
Conflicting
I imagine those who are pro Palestine, if they exist would want them to live in Palestine, where palestinains also want to live, they don't want to be displaced further.
I've also had to explain to more than one idiot that Ukrainian refugees do not want to be here in Ireland and would much prefer to be at home, safe, with their loved ones, in their own country.
But you can't get through to those people, they think it's all a big scam, as if living in some shit hotel in the arse end of nowhere in a damp sodden country like Ireland surrounded by hate filled backwards f*cking idiots is some great prize.
Quote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 17, 2024, 10:19:17 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 09:59:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 09:55:36 PMit would mixed with them a lot would probably be pro isreal as palestanians tend to be a darker color and are muslim so you have that element but some would be anti isreal as there a lot in the conspiracy community who think the jews are behind everything and its the jews bringing immigrants into ireland then there probably some that dont care.
Would those that are pro Palestine be happy to have a family displaced from Gaza living next door to them? Or would they burn them out?
Conflicting
I imagine those who are pro Palestine, if they exist would want them to live in Palestine, where palestinains also want to live, they don't want to be displaced further.
That's not what I said. That wasn't a scenario I brought up.
But obviously, living in their own homes is number one
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 10:53:42 PMQuote from: PadraicHenryPearse on January 17, 2024, 10:19:17 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 09:59:24 PMQuote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 09:55:36 PMit would mixed with them a lot would probably be pro isreal as palestanians tend to be a darker color and are muslim so you have that element but some would be anti isreal as there a lot in the conspiracy community who think the jews are behind everything and its the jews bringing immigrants into ireland then there probably some that dont care.
Would those that are pro Palestine be happy to have a family displaced from Gaza living next door to them? Or would they burn them out?
Conflicting
I imagine those who are pro Palestine, if they exist would want them to live in Palestine, where palestinains also want to live, they don't want to be displaced further.
That's not what I said. That wasn't a scenario I brought up.
But obviously, living in their own homes is number one
I would think those burning hotels etc. are more inward looking than being concerned by global affairs.
I doubt the scenario exists and see no point in further guessing at the outcome of hypothetical scenarios.
You doubt that Palestinian people would be refugees? Or that they wouldn't come to Ireland because of the hate marches we have with our current refugees?
I see the Fascists "rally" at the Dáil to start the "revolution" attracted less than 50....
Theres a protests on 24th February i think
some say sinn fein agents infiltrated the balinrobe protests
will the community hotel in roscrea be run by the government.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 18, 2024, 01:48:18 AMTheres a protests on 24th February i think
some say sinn fein agents infiltrated the balinrobe protests
Again with the "some say", "they say" obscure rubbish.
Who said? You still haven't answered who said every hotel in Ireland has a link to a TD.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 17, 2024, 10:22:13 PMBuilding owner in Longford pulls out of agreement to house 85 Ukrainians after a fire took place at the property last night.
a fire just took place?
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2024, 07:18:17 AMQuote from: Eire90 on January 18, 2024, 01:48:18 AMTheres a protests on 24th February i think
some say sinn fein agents infiltrated the balinrobe protests
Again with the "some say", "they say" obscure rubbish.
Who said? You still haven't answered who said every hotel in Ireland has a link to a TD.
the voices in his/her head
Did I ever tell you about "Carla4Garda", one of the main protesters at Ballinrobe and the one with the English accent. Have a guess why she is known as Carla4Garda.
The "some" are likely to be members of the "Irish(sic) Freedom (sic) Party", "National (sic) Party" or "Ireland First" and similar.
Be violent and imtimidate children, then say it's "infiltrators" from some other group or from the Gardai.
Speaking of English accents....Another "concerned local(sic)" in Carlow says the people of "Collo" have enough
Do you know what "(sic)" actually means??
So what if she says "Carlow" in an English accent? Everyone's Irish if they want to be, aren't they?
Bloody hypocrite.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 17, 2024, 11:18:52 PMYou doubt that Palestinian people would be refugees? Or that they wouldn't come to Ireland because of the hate marches we have with our current refugees?
No, I doubt there are people who are pro Palestinian that woild be burning down hotels. I doubt they exist.
there is c. 6m Palestinian refugees.
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2024, 08:25:13 AMDid I ever tell you about "Carla4Garda", one of the main protesters at Ballinrobe and the one with the English accent. Have a guess why she is known as Carla4Garda.
Indeed. However, would have no problem with her acting career, it's her views I have issue with.
Quote from: weareros on January 18, 2024, 02:06:12 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 18, 2024, 08:25:13 AMDid I ever tell you about "Carla4Garda", one of the main protesters at Ballinrobe and the one with the English accent. Have a guess why she is known as Carla4Garda.
Indeed. However, would have no problem with her acting career, it's her views I have issue with.
Acting was only part time. Let's say she knows a lot of gardai very well.
houl on here a minute, what is this about English ones, now living in Carlow and Mayo leading the charge in the "Ireland is full" malarkey?
Is this a piss take?
There she is.
https://x.com/irishrebel1965/status/1744486910125298059?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Quote from: weareros on January 18, 2024, 03:30:58 PMThere she is.
https://x.com/irishrebel1965/status/1744486910125298059?s=46&t=upCstAqzkTQY5JtOIziaYg
Well that video will defo stop the trolls from trolling!!
Mad altogether Ted
https://fb.watch/pF35C5qiSF/
https://fb.watch/pF3kHQCt1y/
All these protesters must get great annual leave allowances from work
WORK!!!!
Stop threatening them with 4 letter words 😅.
Who funds them though?
American RWNJs?
Quote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2024, 02:56:33 PMhoul on here a minute, what is this about English ones, now living in Carlow and Mayo leading the charge in the "Ireland is full" malarkey?
Is this a piss take?
Believe it or not its true ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2024, 05:59:29 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2024, 02:56:33 PMhoul on here a minute, what is this about English ones, now living in Carlow and Mayo leading the charge in the "Ireland is full" malarkey?
Is this a piss take?
Believe it or not its true ;D
Like most of these people they haven't the brains to realise how stupid it is for British migrants to complain about migrants
Quote from: Itchy on January 18, 2024, 06:15:31 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2024, 05:59:29 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2024, 02:56:33 PMhoul on here a minute, what is this about English ones, now living in Carlow and Mayo leading the charge in the "Ireland is full" malarkey?
Is this a piss take?
Believe it or not its true ;D
Like most of these people they haven't the brains to realise how stupid it is for British migrants to complain about migrants
Oh, ye anti-fa Shinner types - "Brits out, everyone else in", eh?!!
Another extremust right wing hero
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2024/0118/1427363-threat-to-kill-galway/
The Government is to consider purchasing a €57m student accommodation complex in Cork to house international protection applicants (IPA).
The Irish Examiner has learned that the complex is being examined by the Department of Integration for use as a long-term reception centre for asylum seekers.
The privately-owned property in Cork City is currently accommodating third-level students but if the Government agrees to buy the site, it will be used to house up to 400 IPAs.
It is understood ministers were briefed on the matter as far back as October but there was concern about the fallout of removing student accommodation from the housing system.
However, the Irish Examiner understands Department of Integration officials are to bring the proposal back to the table.
If the Government signs off on the deal, it would be included in the revised white paper which will outline the State's long-term plan on housing asylum seekers.
The premises has been made available to the Government for an offer, a senior source said.
It comes as the Government is under significant pressure to find a long-term solution to house Ukrainians and asylum seekers after protests and the destruction of property continues across the country.
It is understood that senior Government figures previously warned that the purchase of the Cork property could not proceed until alternative accommodation was sourced for the students living in the complex.
A source said if a decision is made to purchase the property, students living there would be accommodated elsewhere.
Three senior sources said the property is to be brought to Government again as an option as Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman seeks to build, lease, and acquire a number of reception centres across the country.
His revised plan is due before Cabinet within weeks.
The Cork property is a turnkey student accommodation complex over five blocks of apartments from three to five stories and can be adapted to meet the key requirements of a reception and integration centre, sources said.
The briefing document previously prepared for ministers states the property is currently accommodating students and if Government gives approval to progress with the purchase, it could be available for occupancy from May.
Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman is seeking to build, lease, and acquire a number of reception centres across the country. Picture: Gareth Chaney/Collins Photos
Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman is seeking to build, lease, and acquire a number of reception centres across the country. Picture: Gareth Chaney/Collins Photos
However, a senior source stressed that the Government had yet to decide whether to make an offer to purchase and discussions are at an early stage.
However, a professional valuation of the property has been carried out via the Housing Agency on behalf of the department, setting a market value of €57m excluding Vat.
A value-for-money exercise has been conducted "at a very high level" to compare the cost of private serviced accommodation with that of buying this property.
That comparison exercise is based on the medium current average daily rate of €78 a night and the high average daily rate of €111 a night in serviced accommodation and is used to calculate the cost of accommodating 390 IPAs over a five to 30-year period.
What's your view on this issue?
You can tell us here
As comparison, the cost of purchasing the complex at the market value of €57m and a yearly current expenditure outlay of €5m each year for maintenance over the five to 30-year period is also included.
It shows after five years, the cost of the centre if purchased would be €82m — in comparison to €55.5m at the medium average cost and €79m at the high average cost.
However, after the 10-year period the centre will begin to deliver cost savings for the State, with this significantly increasing after 15 years and potential savings between €120m and €260m over the 30-year period.
A memo for Government about the property was on the Cabinet agenda for this week but withdrawn and is to be included in a broader strategy plan to go to Government soon with a number of options.
A source said building new centres will be a longer term approach to extending capacity while the purchasing of pre-existing buildings will provide much needed accommodation capacity in the shorter term.
A separate source said there is a protocol in place between the Department of Higher Education and the Department of Integration that a premises cannot be used unless it is vacant for 12 months.
However, the briefing note for ministers said a specific arrangement was in place regarding this particular Cork property to allow the Department of Integration to pursue purchasing it and assurances have been given that no current student will be left without accommodation.
your man from galway has a history of threatening people and politicians i think the other far right types ditch them as he was too extreme for them.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 18, 2024, 07:02:02 PMQuote from: Itchy on January 18, 2024, 06:15:31 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 18, 2024, 05:59:29 PMQuote from: johnnycool on January 18, 2024, 02:56:33 PMhoul on here a minute, what is this about English ones, now living in Carlow and Mayo leading the charge in the "Ireland is full" malarkey?
Is this a piss take?
Believe it or not its true ;D
Like most of these people they haven't the brains to realise how stupid it is for British migrants to complain about migrants
Oh, ye anti-fa Shinner types - "Brits out, everyone else in", eh?!!
Do these "Brits" not need housing, schools, doctors etc?
You really don't get it, this woman is white, Anglo and a racist to boot so she ticks all the positive boxes and by the way I am not racist ;D just sensitive to cultural mayhem caused by people not like "us".
Surely the Brits out thing means the government and not every British person in Ireland...
Quote from: Eire90 on January 18, 2024, 08:35:27 PMThe Government is to consider purchasing a €57m student accommodation complex in Cork to house international protection applicants (IPA).
The Irish Examiner has learned that the complex is being examined by the Department of Integration for use as a long-term reception centre for asylum seekers.
The privately-owned property in Cork City is currently accommodating third-level students but if the Government agrees to buy the site, it will be used to house up to 400 IPAs.
It is understood ministers were briefed on the matter as far back as October but there was concern about the fallout of removing student accommodation from the housing system.
However, the Irish Examiner understands Department of Integration officials are to bring the proposal back to the table.
If the Government signs off on the deal, it would be included in the revised white paper which will outline the State's long-term plan on housing asylum seekers.
The premises has been made available to the Government for an offer, a senior source said.
It comes as the Government is under significant pressure to find a long-term solution to house Ukrainians and asylum seekers after protests and the destruction of property continues across the country.
It is understood that senior Government figures previously warned that the purchase of the Cork property could not proceed until alternative accommodation was sourced for the students living in the complex.
A source said if a decision is made to purchase the property, students living there would be accommodated elsewhere.
Three senior sources said the property is to be brought to Government again as an option as Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman seeks to build, lease, and acquire a number of reception centres across the country.
His revised plan is due before Cabinet within weeks.
The Cork property is a turnkey student accommodation complex over five blocks of apartments from three to five stories and can be adapted to meet the key requirements of a reception and integration centre, sources said.
The briefing document previously prepared for ministers states the property is currently accommodating students and if Government gives approval to progress with the purchase, it could be available for occupancy from May.
Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman is seeking to build, lease, and acquire a number of reception centres across the country. Picture: Gareth Chaney/Collins Photos
Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman is seeking to build, lease, and acquire a number of reception centres across the country. Picture: Gareth Chaney/Collins Photos
However, a senior source stressed that the Government had yet to decide whether to make an offer to purchase and discussions are at an early stage.
However, a professional valuation of the property has been carried out via the Housing Agency on behalf of the department, setting a market value of €57m excluding Vat.
A value-for-money exercise has been conducted "at a very high level" to compare the cost of private serviced accommodation with that of buying this property.
That comparison exercise is based on the medium current average daily rate of €78 a night and the high average daily rate of €111 a night in serviced accommodation and is used to calculate the cost of accommodating 390 IPAs over a five to 30-year period.
What's your view on this issue?
You can tell us here
As comparison, the cost of purchasing the complex at the market value of €57m and a yearly current expenditure outlay of €5m each year for maintenance over the five to 30-year period is also included.
It shows after five years, the cost of the centre if purchased would be €82m — in comparison to €55.5m at the medium average cost and €79m at the high average cost.
However, after the 10-year period the centre will begin to deliver cost savings for the State, with this significantly increasing after 15 years and potential savings between €120m and €260m over the 30-year period.
A memo for Government about the property was on the Cabinet agenda for this week but withdrawn and is to be included in a broader strategy plan to go to Government soon with a number of options.
A source said building new centres will be a longer term approach to extending capacity while the purchasing of pre-existing buildings will provide much needed accommodation capacity in the shorter term.
A separate source said there is a protocol in place between the Department of Higher Education and the Department of Integration that a premises cannot be used unless it is vacant for 12 months.
However, the briefing note for ministers said a specific arrangement was in place regarding this particular Cork property to allow the Department of Integration to pursue purchasing it and assurances have been given that no current student will be left without accommodation.
No matter what side of the IPA argument one is on, I hope we can all agree that this is totally bonkers from a financial perspective, that the taxpayers are getting shafted, and that this is also a factor that causes concern.
Having said this wrt student accommodation, the money that is being throw at other property owners including hoteliers, is equally outrageous and worthy of investigation. If politicians are not benefitting from this largesse, shame on them because they really should be with their generosity.
Bertie Ahern must be gutted at missing out on this opportunity.
Another hero of the extreme right (who has a foreign wife and children)
https://fb.watch/pFpAJWEf_F/
Philo dywer and dereck bligh said they not wanted in roscrea mattie mcgrath says he does not want anything to do with bligh
https://nitter.net/IrishRebel1965/status/1748810320779379121#m
yer man from galway issuing more threats to tds
https://nitter.net/IrishRebel1965/status/1748827894309073401#m
https://www.sundayworld.com/news/breaking-news/roscrea-locals-say-far-right-not-welcome-at-protest-in-asylum-seeker-dispute/a1370379106.html
Cornered about services, not racist.
If we knew there were kids we would have moved aside and let them in.
Which is it lads, services or the dreaded males asylum seekers.
irish mail reporting 5 companies made over 100m from refugee accomadation and your boy banty was a big profiteer
Quote from: Eire90 on January 21, 2024, 11:08:29 AMirish mail reporting 5 companies made over 100m from refugee accomadation and your boy banty was a big profiteer
old news
Quote from: Eire90 on January 21, 2024, 11:08:29 AMirish mail reporting 5 companies made over 100m from refugee accomadation and your boy banty was a big profiteer
You expect them to house them for free or what?
so likes of banty are not doing out of the good of his heart
Quote from: Eire90 on January 21, 2024, 12:16:04 PMso likes of banty are not doing out of the good of his heart
Who knows or cares. Do you expect him or others to house refugees for free?
yes
Government are a disgrace giving all that money but sure you can hardly blame Banty and the rest for taking it!
It's amazing the money can be found for "refugees". Any amount of it. Besides what the hoteliers are getting, they can suddenly come up w/ the cash to buy another hotel for the town of Roscrea. Just like that! It's the same with the schools - get a few "refugees", and there's no bother getting resources.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 12:33:17 PMIt's amazing the money can be found for "refugees". Any amount of it. Besides what the hoteliers are getting, they can suddenly come up w/ the cash to buy another hotel for the town of Roscrea. Just like that! It's the same with the schools - get a few "refugees", and there's no bother getting resources.
Ah, that's the thing. Where is this Magic Money coming from? Ever think about that?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 12:33:17 PMIt's amazing the money can be found for "refugees". Any amount of it. Besides what the hoteliers are getting, they can suddenly come up w/ the cash to buy another hotel for the town of Roscrea. Just like that! It's the same with the schools - get a few "refugees", and there's no bother getting resources.
God forbid schools or hospitals were looking a few quid though!
Quote from: Eire90 on January 21, 2024, 08:32:17 AMhttps://www.sundayworld.com/news/breaking-news/roscrea-locals-say-far-right-not-welcome-at-protest-in-asylum-seeker-dispute/a1370379106.html
"Far right not welcome" and they with a "Ireland is full" banner🙄 which us one of the war cries of the Fascists.
The 26 Counties has the lowest density of population of any State in Western or central Europe.
You can think Ireland doesn't need any more refugees without being far right...
Quote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2024, 12:37:59 PMQuote from: Eire90 on January 21, 2024, 08:32:17 AMhttps://www.sundayworld.com/news/breaking-news/roscrea-locals-say-far-right-not-welcome-at-protest-in-asylum-seeker-dispute/a1370379106.html
"Far right not welcome" and they with a "Ireland is full" banner🙄 which us one of the war cries of the Fascists.
The 26 Counties has the lowest density of population of any State in Western or central Europe.
Regardless of population density , there's the issue of services/facilities (hospitals, doctors, education etc) and the number that they can cope with.
There's millions of acres free in the middle of Australia but you wouldn't put people there, with no services/facilities
It's interesting that we've moved on from faux concern for the homeless (remember that?) to now not getting an appointment at the dentist (or whatever). Same shite the Brexiteers came out with as a reason for Brexit.
So, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 21, 2024, 12:43:57 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 21, 2024, 12:37:59 PMQuote from: Eire90 on January 21, 2024, 08:32:17 AMhttps://www.sundayworld.com/news/breaking-news/roscrea-locals-say-far-right-not-welcome-at-protest-in-asylum-seeker-dispute/a1370379106.html
"Far right not welcome" and they with a "Ireland is full" banner🙄 which us one of the war cries of the Fascists.
The 26 Counties has the lowest density of population of any State in Western or central Europe.
Regardless of population density , there's the issue of services/facilities (hospitals, doctors, education etc) and the number that they can cope with.
There's millions of acres free in the middle of Australia but you wouldn't put people there, with no services/facilities
We really are fine for teachers, doctors etc when you look at the stats, more than UK, France and big chunks of Europe. Its not an excuse.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
Interesting question
How would you define the "anti refugee crowd"?
If someone wants immigration laws as they stand to be rigorously enforced are they "anti refugee"?
If someone thinks that applicants who have their Asylum claims denied should be deported....are they "anti refugee"?
Are you "anti refugee" if you live in a small village and hundreds of people are landed in on top of you with no consultation or additional resources ? (Keep in mind, if you had to apply for planning for a lot of these facilities, you'd be laughed out the door by the planning authorities!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
You're absolutely delusional, you're nothing like the vast majority of folk on this island. Who would want to be a neighbour of hate filled racists? I can't think of any, well apart from people 'similar to them'.
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2024, 03:12:06 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
You're absolutely delusional, you're nothing like the vast majority of folk on this island. Who would want to be a neighbour of hate filled racists? I can't think of any, well apart from people 'similar to them'.
Is the bolded really that outrageous a statement
Quote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2024, 03:12:06 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
You're absolutely delusional, you're nothing like the vast majority of folk on this island. Who would want to be a neighbour of hate filled racists? I can't think of any, well apart from people 'similar to them'.
Ha ha! Your child-like naivety is really sweet. Remember, pal, that the vast majority of people think we've taken is too many refugees already. You're the one who is deluded and, I'm afraid, bleating "racist, racist" to impress your far-left friends won't change that reality.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
Doctors appointments and A&E waiting times have nothing to do with immigrants. The population is older, sicker and riddled with morbidities compared to 20 years ago. Have a look at the T2DM, COPD etc rates of now v 2004. Hint: you can't blame the immigrants on this one.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 03:21:43 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2024, 03:12:06 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
You're absolutely delusional, you're nothing like the vast majority of folk on this island. Who would want to be a neighbour of hate filled racists? I can't think of any, well apart from people 'similar to them'.
Ha ha! Your child-like naivety is really sweet. Remember, pal, that the vast majority of people think we've taken is too many refugees already. You're the one who is deluded and, I'm afraid, bleating "racist, racist" to impress your far-left friends won't change that reality.
The hate will eat you up. The internet really isn't the friend you think it is
Chainsaw-wielding man jumped out of van and threatened security guards at Dublin 4 building earmarked for migrants
Violence and intimidation outside such buildings in the capital being investigated as 'domestic terror'
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 21, 2024, 03:15:06 PMQuote from: JoG2 on January 21, 2024, 03:12:06 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
You're absolutely delusional, you're nothing like the vast majority of folk on this island. Who would want to be a neighbour of hate filled racists? I can't think of any, well apart from people 'similar to them'.
Is the bolded really that outrageous a statement
I'm struggling to work out what having a prod or taig or a Muslim living besides me has affected my life!
What have I lost out on, am I missing something?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
How long did you have to wait for your last GP appointment Burdizzo from picking up the telephone? *Tell the truth now*
I see you trying to side-step answering my questions to you?
Oh well. In November I wanted to go to the doctor and I was given a date two weeks away. In the end, I went to another town.
Gareth O'Callaghan: Having concerns about housing asylum seekers is not being far-right
Irish Examiner
Does anyone in Government honestly know what's going on in Ireland anymore —particularly in the small towns where locals feel they are being betrayed by the politicians, and ignored when they ask a question? Or has this bunch of politicians lost the plot?
Just asking for a friend.
These questions came to mind as I watched reports from outside Racket Hall in Roscrea this week. Thosemaintaining an all-night vigil on a
perishing January night in temperatures that plunged below freezing clearly believe that they are not being heard.
The chilling words on a sign hanging from a tree close to the entrance to the hotel also scrawled on placards carried by some of the protestors, are becoming more common: "The Irish Gov Are Traitors". Strong words.
I have to tread carefully here, as I have already been accused of being far-right in comments I made recently.
Trust me, I am far from far-right, probably more just commonly sensible in my views, I like to think — something which those who can only see life from out there on the right will never understand.
Italian political scientist Noberto Bobbio argues that our attitudes towards status, rights, and opportunities are primarily what distinguish left-wing from right-wing on the political wavelength: "The left considers the key inequalities between people to be artificial and negative, which should be overcome by an active state, whereas the right believes that inequalities between people are natural and positive, and should be either defended or left alone by the state."
I neither believe in nor contribute to the theory that inequalities between people are natural or positive; to do so is nothing short of racist and intolerant.
I believe what is happening in Roscrea over this past week will in hindsight be seen as a catalyst for the direction that Government will be forced to take in relation to planning any future direct provision methods. Put another way, it has no choice.
These local protesters made it clear that there's no place outside the entrance to the 18th-century coach house hotel, a familiar landmark on the old Dublin to Limerick road, or anywhere in Roscrea for that matter, for far-right activists.
One group who turned up on Monday night were quickly sent packing.
Local protestor Noel Wright said what many people are afraid to say lest they are branded as far right: "We've already taken more than our share of refugees here in Roscrea, and now we are losing our only hotel."
No one wants to take on more than is manageable, a perfectly reasonable sentiment, and that goes for most towns.
Sadly, we are in danger of being tarred with the same brush if we speak out about situations that leave locals feeling uncomfortable, even fearing for their safety in some cases.
Unfortunately, the Taoiseach appears to be also sending out that message, to the point where if we shout enough is enough, then we are "anti-democratic." That is not the case in most towns around Ireland.
Integration Minister Roderic O'Gorman's refusal to visit Racket Hall to meet local protestors is an unfortunate decision.
If he is so passionate about his plans to house more immigrants, then locals have a right to know where these people are coming from, the reason they have come here, and what positive contributions they can hope to make to the local community once they have integrated.
According to the 2022 census, the population of Roscrea was 5,542.
The arrival of an additional reported 160 international protection applicants (IPAs) due to be housed at Racket Hall is a considerable number for a small town to integrate and care for, considering locals have said this week that they find it difficult to get doctor and dentist appointments.
There are eleven doctors and five dentists based in the town. Roscrea used to have 27 gardaí, now that number is as low as seven — except for last Monday when eight packed Garda vans carrying members of the public order unit arrived escorting a bus transporting 17 IPAs into Racket Hall. Members were "soft cap", meaning they weren't wearing helmets or body armour.
O'Gorman stated this week that his department expects that Ireland will see approximately 15,000 international protection applicants every year.
He said: "It is still a small number compared to the amounts that many other European countries provide asylum to, and it's also a small number in terms of a country of a population of 5m people."
What the minister is failing to acknowledge is that while this geographically beautiful and mostly-welcoming country might only have a population of 5m, local resources are at best stretched to breaking point.
The Taoiseach is now proposing to put together a special package to help areas under pressure because of Government efforts to house more immigrants.
But what about the already-existing pressures that these hard-pushed towns have had to cope with for years, their pleas falling on deaf ears, such as the need for extra schools, teachers, medical care, and support for an ageing population?
Considering the services that many Irish citizens are entitled to access, but find almost impossible to do so, the prospect of 15,000 asylum seekers arriving here every year is a number that our voluntary resource centres and support agencies couldn't imagine coping with in their wildest dreams — a fact that once again highlights the shocking disparity between what this Government believes is realistic, but what local residents and experts know for certain is not.
It's got nothing to do with far-right sentiments to say, in point of fact, that plans to fill our hotels, and other questionably-suitable locations, with almost 100,000 immigrants who will arrive here out of desperation or otherwise over the next five years, is no different to trying to reattach the engine of a passenger jet using Sellotape.
Irexit in coming
Quote from: whitey on January 21, 2024, 03:04:43 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
Interesting question
How would you define the "anti refugee crowd"?
If someone wants immigration laws as they stand to be rigorously enforced are they "anti refugee"?
If someone thinks that applicants who have their Asylum claims denied should be deported....are they "anti refugee"?
Are you "anti refugee" if you live in a small village and hundreds of people are landed in on top of you with no consultation or additional resources ? (Keep in mind, if you had to apply for planning for a lot of these facilities, you'd be laughed out the door by the planning authorities!
Saying your own questions are interesting doesn't make them interesting.
I live in a small town that had 100 refugees "landed in on top of us". They were welcomed, encouraged to integrate, joined our sports club and some are working in our hotel and other budinesses. Only the "usual" moaning fucks, who would moan about something else if there were no refugees, complained. All 5 of them. Same 5 have never lifted a finger to do anything in the community, ever. By the way, in the south there are council grants for community improvements directly aimed at towns that are taking the brunt. Our local family resource centre also go more funding to help. You just don't have a clue if the reality of what's happening on the ground.
Here's an interesting question, what did the yanks think when a Paddy like you landed on their shores as an illegal emigrant?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 06:23:09 PMI see you trying to side-step answering my questions to you?
Oh well. In November I wanted to go to the doctor and I was given a date two weeks away. In the end, I went to another town.
And are you putting your wait down to refugees in the area? Were there no refugees in the other town?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 07:49:07 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 06:23:09 PMI see you trying to side-step answering my questions to you?
Oh well. In November I wanted to go to the doctor and I was given a date two weeks away. In the end, I went to another town.
And are you putting your wait down to refugees in the area? Were there no refugees in the other town?
Are you going to answer the questions I asked?
Quote from: Itchy on January 21, 2024, 07:06:03 PMQuote from: whitey on January 21, 2024, 03:04:43 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
Interesting question
How would you define the "anti refugee crowd"?
If someone wants immigration laws as they stand to be rigorously enforced are they "anti refugee"?
If someone thinks that applicants who have their Asylum claims denied should be deported....are they "anti refugee"?
Are you "anti refugee" if you live in a small village and hundreds of people are landed in on top of you with no consultation or additional resources ? (Keep in mind, if you had to apply for planning for a lot of these facilities, you'd be laughed out the door by the planning authorities!
Saying your own questions are interesting doesn't make them interesting.
I live in a small town that had 100 refugees "landed in on top of us". They were welcomed, encouraged to integrate, joined our sports club and some are working in our hotel and other budinesses. Only the "usual" moaning fucks, who would moan about something else if there were no refugees, complained. All 5 of them. Same 5 have never lifted a finger to do anything in the community, ever. By the way, in the south there are council grants for community improvements directly aimed at towns that are taking the brunt. Our local family resource centre also go more funding to help. You just don't have a clue if the reality of what's happening on the ground.
Here's an interesting question, what did the yanks think when a Paddy like you landed on their shores as an illegal emigrant?
I said HIS question was interesting not mine
(Been legal since day 1-background check, letter guaranteeing a job and believe it or not in the early 90s you needed an AIDS test in addition to chest X-rays to prove you didn't have TB. And the "Yanks" I was landed to were my second cousins and live in a metro area with close to 9,000,000 residents)
So anyone not in favor of open borders and in favor of enforcing the law is "anti refugee" by your book. Fair enough
Think he said a Paddy like you, as I've said I know a few illegals there..
Hopefully you don't rat them out ;)
What's that Yank blubbering about "open borders"?
Are there no women in Donegal or what's the story?
This lad needs 'the ride' and he needs it yesterday.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bcuB225ALxI
i think he has a wife and kids so i persume hes riding
Just yer typical nazifascist.
Is the rise of the far right a danger to a united ireland could a lot of people now say naaaa i dont want any of that
didnt he show up at a donegal game looking to fight someone one time
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2024, 11:18:09 AMIs the rise of the far right a danger to a united ireland could a lot of people now say naaaa i dont want any of that
It's not exclusive to Ireland. Global issue tbh.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2024, 11:18:09 AMIs the rise of the far right a danger to a united ireland could a lot of people now say naaaa i dont want any of that
Judging by the amount of northern racists and bigots (and English) leaving encouraging comments on his YouTube channel I wouldn't have thought it's an issue.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2024, 11:18:51 AMdidnt he show up at a donegal game looking to fight someone one time
He seems perpetually angry so would fit the profile.
i think he played for donegal at under age
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/far-right-protesters-abuse-priest-over-blessing-with-muslims/39461193.html
thats him verbally attacking a priest a few years ago
hes had interviews with the likes of jim dawson
Quote from: Eire90 on January 22, 2024, 11:16:03 AMi think he has a wife and kids so i persume hes riding
You're clearly not married with kids, are you?
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2024, 03:26:13 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
Doctors appointments and A&E waiting times have nothing to do with immigrants. The population is older, sicker and riddled with morbidities compared to 20 years ago. Have a look at the T2DM, COPD etc rates of now v 2004. Hint: you can't blame the immigrants on this one.
Fully agree. Last time I was at the doctors and A&E it certainly wasn't immigrants or refugees in the waiting rooms.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 23, 2024, 08:21:12 AMQuote from: RedHand88 on January 21, 2024, 03:26:13 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 02:57:13 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 21, 2024, 01:13:24 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 21, 2024, 01:08:02 PMSo, do you think we should take anyone and everyone? And who should pay for it?
The Irish state will pay for it.
Can any of the anti-refugee crowd on here tell me of one single negative impact that having refugees in Ireland has had on their lives?
So, for you there's no limit? And our tax money can pay for it all?
Yes - it IS harder to get a doctor's appointment, it IS harder to get a dental appointment, longer waiting times in A&E. Hotels are more expensive, schools are under pressure. These things affect me - I don't have anyone looking for a house at the moment, or student accommodation but, in time...
Besides all that, the more that come, the more and more our culture will be changed irrevocably. It has happened in other places, it will happen here, too. You may find it a wonderful thing living among strangers, but most people don't. Most people LIKE the feeling of being among people similar to them - and that includes the immigrants themselves.
Doctors appointments and A&E waiting times have nothing to do with immigrants. The population is older, sicker and riddled with morbidities compared to 20 years ago. Have a look at the T2DM, COPD etc rates of now v 2004. Hint: you can't blame the immigrants on this one.
Fully agree. Last time I was at the doctors and A&E it certainly wasn't immigrants or refugees in the waiting rooms.
Been working in doctors surgeries for many years they are full of locals, was the same locals every week!
This current one has a good mix of locals and Polish locals (who have lived and worked here for many years) they'd be like whitey going to a surgery in America ;)
I had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Quote from: Deerstalker on January 23, 2024, 09:04:02 AMI had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.
But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 09:16:01 AMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 23, 2024, 09:04:02 AMI had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.
But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services
Had to bring my mother to A&E a few months back. At least 5 toe rags came in in cuffs with police. Strangely enough they were seen and shipped out again in no time (It might be a good idea to get yourself arrested if you ever need A&E again!).
We were kept in corridor over night while waiting for a doctor/bed , and another toe rag obviously drugged up was kicking off in a side room. Multiple police, numerous medical staff and even the porters were roped in to deal with her. Unbelievable waste of resources
However , there was a mix of locals and foreign nationals
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 23, 2024, 10:52:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 09:16:01 AMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 23, 2024, 09:04:02 AMI had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.
But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services
Had to bring my mother to A&E a few months back. At least 5 toe rags came in in cuffs with police. Strangely enough they were seen and shipped out again in no time (It might be a good idea to get yourself arrested if you ever need A&E again!).
We were kept in corridor over night while waiting for a doctor/bed , and another toe rag obviously drugged up was kicking off in a side room. Multiple police, numerous medical staff and even the porters were roped in to deal with her. Unbelievable waste of resources
However , there was a mix of locals and foreign nationals
Anyone acting the w**ker in a& e should just be sent straight home and any more shit a night in a cell to dry out. A&R staff have enough to deal with
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 23, 2024, 10:52:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 09:16:01 AMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 23, 2024, 09:04:02 AMI had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.
But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services
Had to bring my mother to A&E a few months back. At least 5 toe rags came in in cuffs with police. Strangely enough they were seen and shipped out again in no time (It might be a good idea to get yourself arrested if you ever need A&E again!).
We were kept in corridor over night while waiting for a doctor/bed , and another toe rag obviously drugged up was kicking off in a side room. Multiple police, numerous medical staff and even the porters were roped in to deal with her. Unbelievable waste of resources
However , there was a mix of locals and foreign nationals
Were the ones kicking off foreign nationals drugged out or drunk?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 11:49:12 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 23, 2024, 10:52:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 09:16:01 AMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 23, 2024, 09:04:02 AMI had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.
But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services
Had to bring my mother to A&E a few months back. At least 5 toe rags came in in cuffs with police. Strangely enough they were seen and shipped out again in no time (It might be a good idea to get yourself arrested if you ever need A&E again!).
We were kept in corridor over night while waiting for a doctor/bed , and another toe rag obviously drugged up was kicking off in a side room. Multiple police, numerous medical staff and even the porters were roped in to deal with her. Unbelievable waste of resources
However , there was a mix of locals and foreign nationals
Were the ones kicking off foreign nationals drugged out or drunk?
While I'm sure a reply is in the pipeline, my money is on Johnto and Mackers. Any takers?
I was in A&E recently and the only foreigners I saw were the doctors and nurses.
Had a relative who needed A&E. 5 hrs waiting on an Ambulance, 14 hrs in the Ambulance (25 min journey), 36 hrs and counting in A&E. This person had chest pains and trouble breathing as well as few other underlying issues. Elderly person. The GP called the ambulance so they didn't go willy nilly.
It is something akin to an active war zone and if you or a relative needs to attend you should make the necessary preparations.
The boards resident eejits have never seen a foreigner in any hospital setting ffs, if you can't even be honest about it whats the point. Take a scoot into the Royal Victoria Hospital some day in Belfast to see how many you spot.
Quote from: Itchy on January 23, 2024, 05:01:08 PMI was in A&E recently and the only foreigners I saw were the doctors and nurses.
Bloody foreigners.....taking our jobs.
Time the fascists started to blockade hospitals!
Thankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
I don't know if posters on here are genuinely stupid or just pretending to be stupid in order to score points, BUT the complaints about hospital waiting times/shortages of GPS etc, is not that the recent arrivals are CAUSING the problem
The system was already badly broken before they arrived and by now adding hundreds of thousands of new (non taxpaying) arrivals is only going to make an unbearable problem even worse
Secondly, people who've lived in Ireland their whole lives and paid taxes their whole lives are being told there's no money for Guards or ambulances or special needs teachers etc
But now all of a sudden theres Billions of Euros (of taxpayers money) available to house, feed,clothe and transport refugees and asylum seekers (some of whom are flat out fraudsters)
Prediction: The govt are going to revive an unmerciful kicking at the local elections
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2024, 06:02:55 PMI don't know if posters on here are genuinely stupid or just pretending to be stupid in order to score points, BUT the complaints about hospital waiting times/shortages of GPS etc, is not that the recent arrivals are CAUSING the problem
The system was already badly broken before they arrived and by now adding hundreds of thousands of new (non taxpaying) arrivals is only going to make an unbearable problem even worse
Secondly, people who've lived in Ireland their whole lives and paid taxes their whole lives are being told there's no money for Guards or ambulances or special needs teachers etc
But now all of a sudden theres Billions of Euros (of taxpayers money) available to house, feed,clothe and transport refugees and asylum seekers (some of whom are flat out fraudsters)
Prediction: The govt are going to revive an unmerciful kicking at the local elections
That doesnt sit well with me at all not sure about everyone else.
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2024, 06:02:55 PMI don't know if posters on here are genuinely stupid or just pretending to be stupid in order to score points, BUT the complaints about hospital waiting times/shortages of GPS etc, is not that the recent arrivals are CAUSING the problem
The system was already badly broken before they arrived and by now adding hundreds of thousands of new (non taxpaying) arrivals is only going to make an unbearable problem even worse
Secondly, people who've lived in Ireland their whole lives and paid taxes their whole lives are being told there's no money for Guards or ambulances or special needs teachers etc
But now all of a sudden theres Billions of Euros (of taxpayers money) available to house, feed,clothe and transport refugees and asylum seekers (some of whom are flat out fraudsters)
Prediction: The govt are going to revive an unmerciful kicking at the local elections
So if government mismanagement is the real problem why are racist muppets protesting at real and imaginary asylum seeker accommodation up and down the country?
Punching down is always easier eh?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
Even if it were half as many, it'd still be an over-representation. In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.
When you see it you will call it anomaly.
Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.
Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.
This is the way.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.
When you see it you will call it anomaly.
Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.
Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.
This is the way.
You do hear of plenty of locals doing similar shit now to be fair
"Hundreds of thousands of new arrivals"
Whitey spouting sh1te like only a Yank can do.
Quote from: whitey on January 23, 2024, 06:02:55 PMI don't know if posters on here are genuinely stupid or just pretending to be stupid in order to score points, BUT the complaints about hospital waiting times/shortages of GPS etc, is not that the recent arrivals are CAUSING the problem
The system was already badly broken before they arrived and by now adding hundreds of thousands of new (non taxpaying) arrivals is only going to make an unbearable problem even worse
Secondly, people who've lived in Ireland their whole lives and paid taxes their whole lives are being told there's no money for Guards or ambulances or special needs teachers etc
But now all of a sudden theres Billions of Euros (of taxpayers money) available to house, feed,clothe and transport refugees and asylum seekers (some of whom are flat out fraudsters)
Prediction: The govt are going to revive an unmerciful kicking at the local elections
Yes! Can someone source baseball caps and get MIGA embroidered on them and some of those wee plastic flags?
Too early to storm the government buildings? You've your finger on the pulse of what's happening in the towns and streets. This isn't just knowledge garnered by reading fuckwits on social media, this is real live, no nonsense truths.
Can you project manage from 1000s of miles away in the US of A? You appear to have spare time....if you don't ask and all that.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Are they Eastern European Catholics or Protestants ?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 11:49:12 AMQuote from: AustinPowers on January 23, 2024, 10:52:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 23, 2024, 09:16:01 AMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 23, 2024, 09:04:02 AMI had the opposite experience in a Belfast A&E a few weeks ago, hardly any "locals". 70% time wasters across the board, regardless of colour
Was up in Antrim A&E with the daughter last week, just locals, not sure how sick people are tbf not sure if the were wasters.
But the amount of drunks/druggies (usually being accompanied by peelers) in A&E is a massive drain on services
Had to bring my mother to A&E a few months back. At least 5 toe rags came in in cuffs with police. Strangely enough they were seen and shipped out again in no time (It might be a good idea to get yourself arrested if you ever need A&E again!).
We were kept in corridor over night while waiting for a doctor/bed , and another toe rag obviously drugged up was kicking off in a side room. Multiple police, numerous medical staff and even the porters were roped in to deal with her. Unbelievable waste of resources
However , there was a mix of locals and foreign nationals
Were the ones kicking off foreign nationals drugged out or drunk?
The one causing a right racket sounded local judging by her roaring and shouting. Although she may just have been born here from foreign parents. Yeah , that was probably it .
Those
Protestants foreign nationals born in Ireland up to no good as usual
the Irish govt is going to take over from the private sector as the main provider of accommodation for international protection candidates. That makes a lot of sense.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEdGZa9WAAASiqq?format=jpg&name=medium)
Sure why would we bother spending that € on hospitals...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEdGY-DWEAAk80C?format=jpg&name=medium)
The Yank is very concerned that Irish taxpayers money is being used to house, feed etc Refugees (as required by International Law).
Instead of being concerned about Our money being used in practical Christianity he should be more concerned at his taxes being used to provide War Criminal Netanyahu and his evil Government with free warplanes and high powered missiles to murder civilians including over 10,000 Children in Gaza.
5th Commandment how are ya!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 23, 2024, 06:13:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
Even if it were half as many, it'd still be an over-representation. In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.
Maybe that's because they tend to get longer sentences for the same offences than white people.
Foreign nationals and ethnic minorities receiving longer prison sentences in Ireland (https://www.irishlegal.com/articles/foreign-nationals-and-ethnic-minorities-receiving-longer-prison-sentences-in-ireland)
"An analysis of prisoner data shows that Irish nationals in prison had an average of 6.2 previous custodial sentences, while foreign nationals had just 2.5. Foreign nationals also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (8.9 months longer) and sexual offences (15.9 months longer) than Irish people.
People with an ethnicity other than white also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (14.34 months longer) and sexual offences (32 months longer) than white people."
At any rate there's no evidence that more immigration means more crime. Unless you think the Gardai have gone all "woke."
No link between asylum seekers and increased crime, authorities state (https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/15/no-link-between-asylum-seekers-and-increased-crime-authorities-state/)
"In the statement, the Garda said there has been no significant increase in crime statistics as a result of the increase in asylum seekers arriving in Ireland. The Department of Justice also said there is no evidence of a link between the number of asylum seekers in Ireland and an increase in crime."
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.
When you see it you will call it anomaly.
Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.
Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.
This is the way.
It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 23, 2024, 09:52:06 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 23, 2024, 06:13:05 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
Even if it were half as many, it'd still be an over-representation. In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.
Maybe that's because they tend to get longer sentences for the same offences than white people.
Foreign nationals and ethnic minorities receiving longer prison sentences in Ireland (https://www.irishlegal.com/articles/foreign-nationals-and-ethnic-minorities-receiving-longer-prison-sentences-in-ireland)
"An analysis of prisoner data shows that Irish nationals in prison had an average of 6.2 previous custodial sentences, while foreign nationals had just 2.5. Foreign nationals also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (8.9 months longer) and sexual offences (15.9 months longer) than Irish people.
People with an ethnicity other than white also received statistically significantly longer sentences for drug offences (14.34 months longer) and sexual offences (32 months longer) than white people."
At any rate there's no evidence that more immigration means more crime. Unless you think the Gardai have gone all "woke."
No link between asylum seekers and increased crime, authorities state (https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/15/no-link-between-asylum-seekers-and-increased-crime-authorities-state/)
"In the statement, the Garda said there has been no significant increase in crime statistics as a result of the increase in asylum seekers arriving in Ireland. The Department of Justice also said there is no evidence of a link between the number of asylum seekers in Ireland and an increase in crime."
Notice that I said "In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.", and you quote the Guards and refer to asylum seekers. Look up The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Italy... Or just come back here in 15 years.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 23, 2024, 09:54:04 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.
When you see it you will call it anomaly.
Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.
Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.
This is the way.
It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.
Au contraire Eamon.
I'm not bent out of shape about it at all.
What I'm suggesting here is this. Whilst there's a stream of anecdotes above about how nobody ever sees a foreigner using A&E, there's hard and cold written records that they are using a disproportionately high level of another key public service.
Are there "natives" fighting, stabbing, drink driving, etc in Newry every week? You bet your life there are. There's plenty of Irishmen are unable/unwilling to control their emotional or physical states. But the headcount of incidents involving "natives" should absolutely dwarf those of foreign nationals.
Yet it doesn't.
It just doesn't.
It's there in black and white.
That's shocking money being spent in 6 months but of course FF/FG will look after their cronies. I don't even see the 2 places in my local town on that list. That's not the refugees fault that we turned it into a money racquet
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 23, 2024, 09:14:35 PMSure why would we bother spending that € on hospitals...
the Health spend last year was €22bn . The cost of refugee shelter wouldn't have got to 20 January in terms of health spend
By the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:10:48 PMBy the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 10:23:58 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:10:48 PMBy the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.
I don't have statistics, indeed I wouldn't even know where to look. All I have to offer is years of observations, a better-than-average memory, and a wariness of people whose belief systems fool them into portraying complex situations as black and white choices.
A building in Cork which had "super patriots" blockading it had a fire tonight just after the blockaders upped camp and left.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 11:13:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 10:23:58 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:10:48 PMBy the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.
I don't have statistics, indeed I wouldn't even know where to look. All I have to offer is years of observations, a better-than-average memory, and a wariness of people whose belief systems fool them into portraying complex situations as black and white choices.
Right so [citation needed] then, the above is a load of waffle.
Why are the likes of boyd barret and paul murphy and socialists types not calling out companies making millions of this is this not capitalism are pbp turning a blind eye to international capitalism.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:03:01 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 23, 2024, 09:54:04 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 06:31:38 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 05:47:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 05:39:12 PMThankfully I'm not overly familiar with A&E over the past few years.
I tell you who must be a giant big bastard of a xenophobe though; the court reporter for the Newry Democrat. Every week he manages to fill his couple of pages with a string of offences by people with Eastern European names.... some weeks there's twice as many of these names as local names. As they represent a small demographic among Newry's population, it must be the court reporter's bias.
Not once have you counted the Eastern European names vs the local names and concluded that there is twice as many.
This has happened many times. Our local Poles have a habit of getting drunk and beating man, woman, child and car.
When you see it you will call it anomaly.
Then when it happens regularly you'll ignore it, as you do anything that doesn't fit your politics and passions.
Then when anyone brings it up, you'll cry racism.
This is the way.
It is racism if you're selective about it. The courts are full of people with Irish surnames beating their wives and getting drunk. People like you only get bent out of shape when it's a foreigner doing it.
Au contraire Eamon.
I'm not bent out of shape about it at all.
What I'm suggesting here is this. Whilst there's a stream of anecdotes above about how nobody ever sees a foreigner using A&E, there's hard and cold written records that they are using a disproportionately high level of another key public service.
Are there "natives" fighting, stabbing, drink driving, etc in Newry every week? You bet your life there are. There's plenty of Irishmen are unable/unwilling to control their emotional or physical states. But the headcount of incidents involving "natives" should absolutely dwarf those of foreign nationals.
Yet it doesn't.
It just doesn't.
It's there in black and white.
Where?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 23, 2024, 10:02:28 PMNotice that I said "In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.", and you quote the Guards and refer to asylum seekers. Look up The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Italy... Or just come back here in 15 years.
I don't generally bite when people ask me to do the research to back up their claims, rather than defend their own arguments, but I thought I'd humour you here. For Sweden:
"The analysis notes the nature and history of the welfare state in Sweden and the characteristics of the general population. It notes that 6 million people are between ages 15 and 69 years; these include 5.2 million native Swedes, 0.4 million naturalized Swedes, and 0.4 million domiciled foreign citizens. The two small but officially recognized minority groups are Laplanders and the Finns who live close to the Finnish border. Immigration to Sweden has a long tradition. Annual victimization surveys reveal almost no differences between native Swedish and various immigrant groups in victimization by property crimes. However, immigrants report more often than Swedish citizens that have been victims of violence. Increasing numbers of crimes with racist or xenophobic motives have occurred in recent years. Other studies have indicated that foreign background is only a weak variable for predicting criminal and other antisocial behavior. Immigrant groups are overrepresented in conviction statistics, although these data do not control for social background variables. The overrepresentation has existed for at least 25 years. Discrimination, cultural differences, selective immigration, marginalization, strain, are among the explanations suggested for the differences. Developments in the public debate have not paralleled the developments in criminality. The focus on foreign offenders and more punitive policies began in the 1980s. Public attention has probably increased the polarization of various groups and young people; the climate of confrontation has increased. However,
Sweden has not yet experienced the problem with crimes by immigrants and ethnic minorities that other countries have, partly because the relationship between ethnicity and class is still not strong in Sweden."
Hofer et al. Minorities, Crime, and Criminal Justice in Sweden (From Minorities, Migrants, and Crime: Diversity and Similarity Across Europe and the United States, P 62-85, 1997, Ineke Haen Marshall, ed. - See NCJ-171072)
https://www.ft.com/content/79f0d181-bdae-4c81-a971-861ccd8d512c
It's working out real well for Sweeden
All the doctors and engineers and all that
What used to be a home is now a mess of wood, insulation and cladding, littering neighbouring gardens and spilling into the street. Windows are completely blown and only jagged shards of glass remain. Curtains and clothes are strewn about, propelled by the sheer force of an explosion.
"It is like a war scene," says a local resident, "something you see on the news from Afghanistan."
But this is not a conflict zone. It is a previously peaceful district of prosperous Uppsala, Sweden's fourth-largest city, now the centre of the country's gangs crisis. Soha Saad, a 24-year-old newly qualified teacher, died in the blast on September 28. The attack was not aimed at her, but at a neighbour believed to be a relative of a criminal gang member.
Soha was "ambitious, good, kind, generous", according to her friend Sara Samara. "I wonder how many more innocent lives will have to be taken from us," she wrote on Instagram. "This is my appeal to politicians: wake up."
Sweden has suffered an extraordinary spate of violence in recent months, particularly in Uppsala and its neighbour to the south, capital Stockholm. At its worst in September and October, barely a day went by without a shooting, bombing or hand grenade attack — sometimes several.
The Nordic country has gone from having one of the lowest levels of fatal shootings in Europe to one of the highest in just a decade. Well-established criminal gangs, largely run by second-generation immigrants, are no longer just killing each other but increasingly relatives and, in the case of Saad and others, innocent bystanders. Many of the perpetrators are children as young as 14 who are groomed by gangs to carry out hits.
In a televised addressed at the end of September, Ulf Kristersson, the prime minister of Sweden, offered his diagnosis for the unprecedented violence, directly blaming "irresponsible immigration policy and failed integration".
"I cannot over-emphasise the seriousness of the situation," added the leader of the centre-right Moderate party. "Sweden has never seen anything like it before. No other country in Europe is seeing anything like it."
The issue has shaken the full strata of society in the Nordic country. "This is a social earthquake in Sweden," says Jesper Brodin, chief executive of furniture giant Ikea's retail arm and one of the country's most high-profile business leaders.
"If this continues for the next two decades, Sweden is lost. It's tearing us apart," says Richard Jomshof, head of the Swedish parliament's justice committee and an MP from far-right Sweden Democrats.
Memorial site for Soha Saad. The 24-year-old newly qualified teacher was killed in her home during an attack aimed at her neighbour © Mickan Palmqvist/TT/Alamy
The rise in gang violence is leading to uncomfortable conversations. A wealthy nation famed for its welfare state, Sweden has over the past three decades taken in more asylum seekers escaping various conflicts from the Balkans to the Middle East than most European countries. As the violence increases, the far right feel emboldened, while the left are nervous about vilifying immigrant communities. But both sides of Swedish politics accept that the country has failed to properly integrate some of its new arrivals.
Now criminal gangs across the country are evolving beyond the drug trade. Growing evidence suggests these networks have infiltrated some public services, political parties and even the criminal justice system.
With the police overwhelmed investigating a growing number of crimes following the deadliest month on record, the government drafted in the army to pick up the shortfall elsewhere.
What has gone wrong? "It's a system failure," says Erik Pelling, the centre-left mayor of Uppsala.
Therez Almerfors, the head of the centre-right opposition in the city, says: "If you don't feel safe, you are not free. Every day, people are waking up in Uppsala and don't feel safe."
She describes the problem blighting Sweden as a "lack of hope in the future". "We have failed," the Moderate party politician says. "And to solve it, it's not a quick fix."
'A completely new world'
Uppsala is renowned for its university, the oldest in the Nordics, as well as Scandinavia's biggest cathedral and a grand royal castle.
But in recent years it has achieved notoriety as the hometown of one of Sweden's most deadly gangs and its notorious leader Rawa Majid, "the Kurdish Fox", who fled to Turkey in 2018 after a number of drug and violence-related convictions.
Much of the recent violence is due to a major split in the Foxtrot drug gang, say police. Majid, who was raised in Uppsala by Iraqi parents, is believed to have fallen out with his former right-hand man Ismail Abdo, or "Strawberry", who also moved to Turkey.
Amid the feud, Abdo's mother was shot dead in Uppsala in September.
"The situation in society is inhumane, incomprehensible and without any limits," Catarina Bowall, a senior police officer in Uppsala, said recently. Police in Uppsala and Stockholm declined to be interviewed, saying they are too busy investigating recent shootings.
Fredrik Linder, a doctor at Uppsala's hospital, has witnessed the effects of the violence. When he started working in A&E there would be one or two cases of gunshots a year, none of them related to gang crime, he told a local TV station. Now, there is an average of one a week. "It's a completely new world," he added.
By the end of October, there had been 48 deadly shootings this year in this country of 10.5mn people. Last year, there were a record total of 62, up from 45 in 2021.
But the targeting of relatives, many of whom live in respectable districts, and a record number of bombings have led to a growing feeling of insecurity. "It almost appears random — it can happen to anybody, anywhere. It makes it more similar to terrorism," says Manne Gerell, a Swedish criminologist and senior lecturer at Malmö university.
Police in Stockholm alone have a list of 150 homes in the capital that could be targets for a shooting or bombing, public broadcaster SVT has reported. "If my family is in danger, everyone's family is in danger," a gang member told the TV station.
Another recent phenomenon is that the killers are getting younger, as children in Sweden often receive light sentences. In October, several people were convicted for two powerful explosions in a trendy part of Stockholm. A 25-year-old received five years in jail, while two 17-year-olds involved were placed in youth homes for 10 months.
This is also a risk. Police say gangs are actively recruiting vulnerable young people from within these care homes, known in Sweden as Hem för vård eller boende, or HVB. "We know that HVB can increase the problem, not be the solution," says Ola Jerimiasen, chief of staff for social services in Uppsala.
Pelling, the mayor, says that many of the people arrested for recent killings in the area are not from Uppsala, but young "hitmen" sent to the city.
"It's very hard for the city of Uppsala to prevent those crimes," he adds. "It's a national problem."
Society of division
Ask a Swede what has gone wrong in their country and you get an interesting insight into their politics and beliefs.
The dozens of politicians, security officials and criminologists interviewed have different answers for what is driving the gang violence.
Those on the right largely blame immigration, which has added 2mn people to the country in recent decades. Those on the left point to social factors, including the privatisation of Sweden's welfare system which has led to worse services in deprived areas.
Refugees in Sweden's largest temporary camp. The country has taken in more asylum seekers in the past three decades than most European countries © David Ramos/Getty Images
For most of the 2010s, the nationalist Sweden Democrats were a lone voice opposed to mass immigration, but their support has risen almost in lockstep with the intensifying violence.
Now, the one-time fringe party is one of Sweden's largest political groups. "For a long time, we were alone. We were labelled racists. Today the situation is so bad. We're not alone any more," says Jomshof, of the justice committee.
Jomshof, who faced calls to resign in July over his views on Islam and an inflammatory description of the Prophet Muhammad — wants Sweden to stop immigration and deport criminals born overseas.
But the nearest thing to agreement across the political spectrum is that Sweden itself has not done enough to integrate its immigrant communities.
Almost all Swedish cities have at least one so-called vulnerable area, where immigrants often make up a majority of the population. Crime rates there tend to be high and schools struggle to keep students or maintain discipline.
"I don't want to say migration is what went wrong; I would rather say integration [went wrong]," says Jens Lapidus, a criminal defence lawyer turned crime author who wrote the Netflix show Snabba Cash.
He says most of his former clients and gang members today are not newly arrived immigrants but those born in Sweden. "You were born here, but you still feel very foreign. You were born here, but you still feel the doors are closed to you and you have not been let in," he adds.
This has a "psychological effect", argues Lapidus. "The real problem is how we failed at integrating these people."
Richard Jomshof, head of the Swedish parliament's justice committee. The far-right politician has faced calls to resign over his inflammatory remarks on Islam and the Prophet Muhammad © Michael Campanella/Getty Images
Taha, who gave only his first name, became a Swedish citizen after arriving from Iraq two decades ago but is now thinking of moving to the UK.
"Swedes make you feel foreign even when you have the passport, even my kids who were born here," he says. "They blame immigrants for everything. But this gang violence affects me, my family, my friends as well."
The Swedish authorities let this happen, he says. "They should have done more, much more, a long time ago."
Local politicians now openly talk of segregation and the presence of parallel societies. Many, especially on the political right, are urging Sweden to set more demands on new arrivals.
"The politicians have been naive. You have people in Malmö who have lived on financial aid for decades and who can't speak Swedish. Why are we letting people be so passive?" asks Farishta Sulaiman, a local councillor from the Moderate party.
Naive is a word on many lips. Lapidus, the former lawyer, argues that Swedes "have a naive belief in human goodness" and have been slow to "fathom that there are not so nice people out there".
Jomshof, whose Sweden Democrats support the government in parliament, is one of those bemoaning his country's slowness to react, noting that neighbouring Denmark started cracking down on gangs 20 years ago and has been far more successful.
Gerell, the academic, agrees. "No one took the violence and the gang structures seriously until it was too late."
But Lapidus points to a different shift in Sweden: the "complete explosion of the hyper-rich". Inequality has risen faster in the Scandinavian country than any other developed country in the past three decades.
"If you create a society where the rift is too big, it also leads to more criminality . . . more problems with the underbelly of society," he argues.
Particularly on the left, there are concerns over how gangs have exploited another big change in Swedish society: the widespread privatisation of the welfare state.
Private companies now run large amounts of schools, hospitals and care homes in Sweden after the Moderate's previous stint in power from 2006 to 2014.
Swedish prime minister Ulf Kristersson. The premier said 'irresponsible immigration policy and failed integration' were responsible for the country's unprecedented violence © Jonathan Nackstrand/AFP/Getty Images
Police and local politicians say there is increasing evidence that gangs are now making more money from activities such as fraud and even running parts of the welfare state. One estimate suggests criminal profits at SKr6bn ($570mn), which is about twice as much as they make from the drug trade.
"We have a system where criminal networks run schools and care homes. We have had 20 years of deregulation and we have been too naive. We have a school system that works against integration [by] segregating," says Pelling, referring to a practice that means poor areas are often left with the worst schools.
Nobody quite knows how far the infiltration has spread. Security officials believe some political parties have been affected.
Prosecutors recently charged an employee at the district court in Attunda, midway between Stockholm and Uppsala, with leaking secret information to a gang member. The woman, who denies the offence, is also accused of letting the criminal use her work computer.
"What scares me is that we're trying to fight non-democratic citizens with democratic rules," says Jomshof, the far-right politician. "Sometimes I wonder: will it be enough?"
'The country is still safe'
For many years, it was the southern city of Malmö that was the focus of gang violence. Just across the Øresund strait from the Danish capital of Copenhagen, it is the main entry point for immigrants arriving in Sweden and home to one of the country's most notorious suburbs, Rosengård.
In the decade after 2010, Sweden despaired at the violence in Malmö. But that has since subsided, moving to other cities such as Uppsala.
After a peak of violence in 2017 with 65 shootings and 58 explosions, police say there have been 27 shootings and 7 explosions so far this year. Glen Sjögren, a veteran police officer in Rosengård, says: "Back then, it felt quite helpless. We had a feeling that no matter what we did, it just got worse. Nowadays, we rather feel the opposite."
With fewer murders to deal with, he says, more resources can be put on the street to prevent crimes.
Police attribute the fall in violence to a crackdown on gang crime starting in 2019, in which the worst criminals were put in jail. Authorities also turned to a US anti-violence tactic, known as Group Violence Intervention, to engage the entire community in persuading actual and potential gang members to avoid violence, shifting the focus from punishment to prevention.
"The slogan is: alive, safe and out of prison. Jail has a high cost. It is more important to stop them committing crime than lock them up for crimes they have done," Sjögren argues.
But he and local politicians argue that law and order is only part of the solution. Much of the answer also lies on the social side, particularly schools.
"To really turn things around, we need to do something with recruitment. It's doing things now with three-year-olds to stop them in 10 years' time picking up a gun," says Gerell. If as much resource was placed on social solutions as law enforcement, he adds, Sweden could afford to give each at-risk child their own social worker.
Sulaiman, the local councillor, adds: "The best vaccine for not getting into crime is to pass secondary school. Malmö has a lot of kids not even passing elementary school."
Police officers in Malmö. Until recently, the city was the focus of gang violence and home to one of the country's most notorious suburbs, Rosengård © Johan Nilsson/AFP/Getty Images
This is "the most important thing we can do", agrees Anders Fridborg, head of security for Uppsala. "If kids don't finish school, they are more likely to end up in a criminal structure."
A final area of rare universal agreement is that there are no quick fixes to Sweden's gang crisis. Controversial policing measures, such as wiretapping and allowing anonymous witnesses, may only stem the violence in the short term.
Improving integration, keeping more children in vulnerable areas in school and removing the gangs from the welfare state will take many years.
"It's going to take time," says Almerfors in Uppsala. "We need to work together, not against one another."
Others, like Lapidus, are urging people inside and outside Sweden to look beyond dramatic headlines and keep a sense of perspective.
"It's bad what is going on," he says. "But come on, it's nothing like Mexico or even America. Sweden is still one of the safest countries in the world."
For Netherlands:
"Compared to Dutch citizens arrested for the same crimes and with similar criminal records, foreign
nationals are more likely to have their cases referred to court, to be detained, convicted, and imprisoned. The interviews identified several mechanisms that explicate these differences, including (i) annoyance when foreign nationals are perceived to be in the country for the purpose of committing
crime; (ii) logistical issues when noncitizens do not have a permanent residence, and; (iii) undermining the need for reintegration because many defendants are unlikely to remain in the Netherlands."
Light & Wermink. The Criminal Case Processing of Foreign Nationals in the Netherlands
Department of Sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706, USA and Department of Criminology, Institute for Criminal Law and Criminology, Leiden University, PO Box 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands. European Sociological Review, 2020, 1–17
Seems like foreign nationals are more likely to be prosecuted when they commit crime than locals. That's not the same as foreign nationals being more likely to commit crimes.
For Denmark:
"According to mainstream criminology, Nordic societies with their generous welfare states are supposed to moderate, if not restrict, penal powers. In the case of migration, we see the opposite pattern. In Denmark, we see extended use of penal institutions and penal harms to contain and remove unwanted populations from the region, including proposals for a prison island and the confinement of migrants in 19th century prisons. To make sense of these developments and interpret its social meaning, we unpack the logic of the punishment–welfare nexus and Nordic exceptionalism. We find that Denmark expands penal power to regulate non-citizens, deter migration and uphold national interests. These repressive practices are not exceptions to the rule but rather illustrate the exclusionary edge and very nature of the penal regimes in Denmark, a Nordic welfare state."
Barker & Smith. This is Denmark: Prison Islands and the Detention of Immigrants. The British Journal of Criminology, Volume 61, Issue 6, November 2021, Pages 1540–1556, 27 April 2021
Again, this seems to be another case of a justice system actively seeking to apply harsher penalties to immigrants than to natives. This is not evidence that immigrants are more likely to commit crime than locals.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 24, 2024, 12:22:25 AMFor Netherlands:
"Compared to Dutch citizens arrested for the same crimes and with similar criminal records, foreign
nationals are more likely to have their cases referred to court, to be detained, convicted, and imprisoned. The interviews identified several mechanisms that explicate these differences, including (i) annoyance when foreign nationals are perceived to be in the country for the purpose of committing
crime; (ii) logistical issues when noncitizens do not have a permanent residence, and; (iii) undermining the need for reintegration because many defendants are unlikely to remain in the Netherlands."
Light & Wermink. The Criminal Case Processing of Foreign Nationals in the Netherlands
Department of Sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706, USA and Department of Criminology, Institute for Criminal Law and Criminology, Leiden University, PO Box 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands. European Sociological Review, 2020, 1–17
Seems like foreign nationals are more likely to be prosecuted when they commit crime than locals. That's not the same as foreign nationals being more likely to commit crimes.
Well if they are claiming asylum or refugee status I would bloody well hope so
Want me to do Italy or are we all sorted?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 11:40:27 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 11:13:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 10:23:58 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:10:48 PMBy the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.
I don't have statistics, indeed I wouldn't even know where to look. All I have to offer is years of observations, a better-than-average memory, and a wariness of people whose belief systems fool them into portraying complex situations as black and white choices.
Right so [citation needed] then, the above is a load of waffle.
And yet calling that out is seen as "tarring everyone as racists" or something similar.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 24, 2024, 12:43:08 AMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 11:40:27 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 11:13:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 10:23:58 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:10:48 PMBy the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.
I don't have statistics, indeed I wouldn't even know where to look. All I have to offer is years of observations, a better-than-average memory, and a wariness of people whose belief systems fool them into portraying complex situations as black and white choices.
Right so [citation needed] then, the above is a load of waffle.
And yet calling that out is seen as "tarring everyone as racists" or something similar.
Well, in another thread ThomasMullan told someone that he "wasn't doing their research for them", so the above is a bit rich from him.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 24, 2024, 12:17:22 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 23, 2024, 10:02:28 PMNotice that I said "In many European countries with longer experiences of migration than we do, immigrants - and those of a non-national background - are over-represented in the prison population.", and you quote the Guards and refer to asylum seekers. Look up The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Italy... Or just come back here in 15 years.
I don't generally bite when people ask me to do the research to back up their claims, rather than defend their own arguments, but I thought I'd humour you here. For Sweden:
"The analysis notes the nature and history of the welfare state in Sweden and the characteristics of the general population. It notes that 6 million people are between ages 15 and 69 years; these include 5.2 million native Swedes, 0.4 million naturalized Swedes, and 0.4 million domiciled foreign citizens. The two small but officially recognized minority groups are Laplanders and the Finns who live close to the Finnish border. Immigration to Sweden has a long tradition. Annual victimization surveys reveal almost no differences between native Swedish and various immigrant groups in victimization by property crimes. However, immigrants report more often than Swedish citizens that have been victims of violence. Increasing numbers of crimes with racist or xenophobic motives have occurred in recent years. Other studies have indicated that foreign background is only a weak variable for predicting criminal and other antisocial behavior. Immigrant groups are overrepresented in conviction statistics, although these data do not control for social background variables. The overrepresentation has existed for at least 25 years. Discrimination, cultural differences, selective immigration, marginalization, strain, are among the explanations suggested for the differences. Developments in the public debate have not paralleled the developments in criminality. The focus on foreign offenders and more punitive policies began in the 1980s. Public attention has probably increased the polarization of various groups and young people; the climate of confrontation has increased. However, Sweden has not yet experienced the problem with crimes by immigrants and ethnic minorities that other countries have, partly because the relationship between ethnicity and class is still not strong in Sweden."
Hofer et al. Minorities, Crime, and Criminal Justice in Sweden (From Minorities, Migrants, and Crime: Diversity and Similarity Across Europe and the United States, P 62-85, 1997, Ineke Haen Marshall, ed. - See NCJ-171072)
Humpf. Incredibly, you quote something from 1997. Here's something using more recent figures, published Dec 2022:
"In 2020, Swedish sociology professor Göran Adamson published a crime study showing an unmistakable link to immigration. It concluded that from 2002 to 2017, 58% of criminal suspects in Sweden were immigrants. That figure rose for murder, attempted murder, and manslaughter, where immigrants were identified as suspects in 73% of the cases, and robberies, in which immigrants were suspects in 70% of the cases.
Adamson told RCI that while members of some immigrant groups, such as Vietnamese, were less prone to commit crimes compared with native Swedes, others such as those from the Middle East and Africa – regions that account for most of the immigration to Sweden – were much more likely to do so. Overall, Adamson's study concluded that Sweden's murder rate had quadrupled due to immigration. Consequently, he said, he found RCI's statistical analysis to be "believable." "
Also, Denmark gets a mention:
"Researchers in Denmark reached similar conclusions about immigration and crime. An index shows that crime in 2020 was 51% higher among male immigrants and 149% higher among male offspring with a non-Western background than among the entire male population."
Is it fair to say that people from poorer backgrounds commit crimes? So if you come to a country with just the shirt on your back, you will more than likely will be in a bracket of people that will commit crime to just live.
Get people registered or removed.. Once they are registered they can contribute and grow the economy, plenty of work about
Its down to the governments (that you vote in) to put the infrastructure in place to deal with the every changing landscape
The attitude of we are full pull up the ladder, is daft, embrace the various opportunities of a diverse culture and deal with crimes that will also happen.
All the gurning will not change that.
Ask yourself, would you stay in a country that provides a poor way of life for your family or try and move to a country to better it?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 24, 2024, 07:37:37 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 24, 2024, 12:43:08 AMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 11:40:27 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 11:13:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 23, 2024, 10:23:58 PMQuote from: thewobbler on January 23, 2024, 10:10:48 PMBy the way Eamon, I also do think it's entirely normal that when you have a sizeable gathering of young men living across bedsits and dorms, that it will be accompanied by a predilection for unruly behaviour. Culture, nationality, race, play no part in this. It's just men. Bored men. Hormones. Alcohol. Drugs.
And I would think this is the underlying reason why we see a disproportionate level of Eastern Europeans in Newry court, compared to locals.
Let's have the statistics then. And no, 'twice as much' won't suffice.
I don't have statistics, indeed I wouldn't even know where to look. All I have to offer is years of observations, a better-than-average memory, and a wariness of people whose belief systems fool them into portraying complex situations as black and white choices.
Right so [citation needed] then, the above is a load of waffle.
And yet calling that out is seen as "tarring everyone as racists" or something similar.
Well, in another thread ThomasMullan told someone that he "wasn't doing their research for them", so the above is a bit rich from him.
The big difference being I am asking him to back up a statement already made with figures.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 24, 2024, 12:22:25 AMFor Netherlands:
"Compared to Dutch citizens arrested for the same crimes and with similar criminal records, foreign
nationals are more likely to have their cases referred to court, to be detained, convicted, and imprisoned. The interviews identified several mechanisms that explicate these differences, including (i) annoyance when foreign nationals are perceived to be in the country for the purpose of committing
crime; (ii) logistical issues when noncitizens do not have a permanent residence, and; (iii) undermining the need for reintegration because many defendants are unlikely to remain in the Netherlands."
Light & Wermink. The Criminal Case Processing of Foreign Nationals in the Netherlands
Department of Sociology, University of Wisconsin-Madison, Madison, WI 53706, USA and Department of Criminology, Institute for Criminal Law and Criminology, Leiden University, PO Box 9520, 2300 RA Leiden, The Netherlands. European Sociological Review, 2020, 1–17
Seems like foreign nationals are more likely to be prosecuted when they commit crime than locals. That's not the same as foreign nationals being more likely to commit crimes.
Ridiculous assertion. Dutch people were not even in the top 20 in a chart for origin of suspects for offences in 2022. Leading the way was Angola at 3.5%, Somalia at 3.4%, etc., all the way down to Bulgaria, the only representative from Europe, at 1.8%.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
Elon musk to pay court fees for anyone that finds themselves in court under new hate speech law irish establishment are now freaking out
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 08:01:51 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.
And yes they should be deported.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 25, 2024, 07:46:34 AMElon musk to pay court fees for anyone that finds themselves in court under new hate speech law irish establishment are now freaking out
You want to give it a shot and see if Elon turns up with the cheque book?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 25, 2024, 08:24:31 AMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 08:01:51 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.
And yes they should be deported.
Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden
If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it
And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp
" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 06:06:57 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 25, 2024, 08:24:31 AMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 08:01:51 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.
And yes they should be deported.
Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden
If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it
And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp
" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"
Knew about this before and watched a film about it, can't recall it being immigrants or refugees involved?
Is this new information whitey?
My goodness. They were Asian grooming gangs. Did you miss that entirely?!
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 06:06:57 PMWell people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden
If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it
And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp
" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"
Eamon's obscure white paper from Sweden was hopelessly out of date. The others he cited were straightforward obfuscations.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2024, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 06:06:57 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 25, 2024, 08:24:31 AMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 08:01:51 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.
And yes they should be deported.
Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden
If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it
And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp
" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"
Knew about this before and watched a film about it, can't recall it being immigrants or refugees involved?
Is this new information whitey?
No
Here's the report on what happened in Telford
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2022/07/12/depraved-brothers-led-telford-paedophile-ring-that-groomed-and-prostituted-young-girls/
https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/16/rochdale-grooming-gang-ringleaders-may-never-be-deported-18789945/amp/
Two ringleaders of the Rochdale grooming gang 'may remain in the UK forever' despite being ordered out of the country 11 years ago.
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 07:06:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2024, 06:22:30 PMQuote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 06:06:57 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 25, 2024, 08:24:31 AMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 08:01:51 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.
And yes they should be deported.
Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden
If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it
And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp
" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"
Knew about this before and watched a film about it, can't recall it being immigrants or refugees involved?
Is this new information whitey?
No
Here's the report on what happened in Telford
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2022/07/12/depraved-brothers-led-telford-paedophile-ring-that-groomed-and-prostituted-young-girls/
Was talking about the Rochdale one, as it was made into a show, that's why I brought that up
Congratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
Who ever said locals didn't commit crimes
Problem is you can deport locals
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 11:06:43 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
Who ever said locals didn't commit crimes
Problem is you can deport locals
You can put them in jail?
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2024, 11:09:02 PMQuote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 11:06:43 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
Who ever said locals didn't commit crimes
Problem is you can deport locals
You can put them in jail?
Yes.
Locals aren't trying to put their best foot forward in order to convince a host country of their good character
And if a local had his Willy hanging out in public on 8 separate occasions he'd probably be in jail (unlike the fella in Limerick)
Quote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
Haha
Hundreds of perverts and probably thousands of victims
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 11:26:35 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
Haha
Hundreds of perverts and probably thousands of victims
Like the gangs of grooming clergy?
Could we deport them to the Vatican?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2024, 11:43:00 PMQuote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 11:26:35 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
Haha
Hundreds of perverts and probably thousands of victims
Like the gangs of grooming clergy?
Could we deport them to the Vatican?
100% for it if you could
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2024, 08:08:59 PMPTSD too from closing her eyes and gets flash backs?
Huge claim incoming! I'm joking though, must have been scary enough!
Very poor comment from a normally decent poster. Would suggest you rethink that one and maybe edit.
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2024, 06:06:57 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 25, 2024, 08:24:31 AMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 08:01:51 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on January 24, 2024, 07:56:25 PMQuote from: whitey on January 24, 2024, 07:45:08 PMhttps://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jail-serial-flasher-who-entered-31954193.amp
Here's one of the poor crathurs Eamonn claims is a victim of uneven policing and prosecution
Means nothing. Enter any nationality and the word rape on google and you'll get a hit.
See:
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hunt-for-irishman-and-two-other-men-in-connection-with-alleged-rape-in-us/36726524.html
Maybe deport all the Irish from USA? They seem a bad lot.
100% agree
Deport criminal immigrants,asylum seekers and refugees on the next plane. ( don't allow them accrue 8 convictions like the buck below in Limerick)
The point is..you found a bad egg. There are always bad eggs.
And yes they should be deported.
Well people are more likely to vote based on their lived experiences, rather than the results of some obscure academic white paper from Sweeden
If I'm a voter in Limerick (who's read the story about the fella with the EIGHT prior convictions) and I'm in the polling booth, I'm not going to vote for someone who's facilitated and encouraged this madness. I'm going to vote for a candidate who's actually promising do something about it
And while we're on the topic of overly aggressive prosecution of immigrants and migrants, I'm sure Eamonn's white papers will provide great comfort to the victims of the grooming gangs in Rochdale and other British Cities whose rapists WERENT prosecuted because they were immigrants/migrants
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863.amp
" Offences went unprosecuted despite police and child protection agencies in Rotherham having had knowledge of these crimes for decades, the paper said"
guy in Lurgan who was arrested for murder recently has over 30 convictions. But he was a local so it doesn't register with certain people
The Whiteys of the World only see black skin or Muslim sounding names to get outraged.
They dont notice or feel the need to comment on crimes by people who look like themselves or have "white" sounding names.
Absolute racists.
The situation is changing
The Govt reduced the amount payable to new arrivals
This has reduced the attractiveness of ireland
This has reduced demand for accommodation
This means that certain hotel contracts will not be renewed
Plus the Govt is building out its own accommodation and reducing
the dependence on the private sector.
This is what happens in the Free State which has a functioning sovereign government.
Meanwhile in the occupied territories there is no progress on the A5
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2024, 09:44:06 AMThe Whiteys of the World only see black skin or Muslim sounding names to get outraged.
They dont notice or feel the need to comment on crimes by people who look like themselves or have "white" sounding names.
Absolute racists.
Indeed. Where was his outrage when The General was terrorising Dublin? Sure he was "one of ours" so he must have been all right.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
What grooming gang would that be? Jimmy Saville and his mates like Gary Glitter?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2024, 09:44:06 AMThe Whiteys of the World only see black skin or Muslim sounding names to get outraged.
They dont notice or feel the need to comment on crimes by people who look like themselves or have "white" sounding names.
Absolute racists.
So it's racist to expect immigration law to be properly enforced and "foreign" criminals to be deported? (where appropriate)
There have been home grown Irish criminals since the foundation of the state.
Are you suggesting that because some Irish people are criminals, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries and not make any effort to prevent "bad apples" from coming in?
(Doesn't make much sense to me)
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 05:08:09 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
What grooming gang would that be? Jimmy Saville and his mates like Gary Glitter?
But those cases are very well known. The Asian grooming gangs and the "hands-off" approach taken by authorities seems to be lesser so - at least, judging by your apparent ignorance.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 06:25:09 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 05:08:09 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
What grooming gang would that be? Jimmy Saville and his mates like Gary Glitter?
But those cases are very well known. The Asian grooming gangs and the "hands-off" approach taken by authorities seems to be lesser so - at least, judging by your apparent ignorance.
Yeah, it would have been awful if the authorities had taken a "hands off" approach to Saville.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 06:25:09 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 05:08:09 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
What grooming gang would that be? Jimmy Saville and his mates like Gary Glitter?
But those cases are very well known. The Asian grooming gangs and the "hands-off" approach taken by authorities seems to be lesser so - at least, judging by your apparent ignorance.
Yeah, it would have been awful if the authorities had taken a "hands off" approach to Saville.
Both cases highlight how the established organs of the media cannot be trusted!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 06:39:40 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 06:25:09 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 05:08:09 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
What grooming gang would that be? Jimmy Saville and his mates like Gary Glitter?
But those cases are very well known. The Asian grooming gangs and the "hands-off" approach taken by authorities seems to be lesser so - at least, judging by your apparent ignorance.
Yeah, it would have been awful if the authorities had taken a "hands off" approach to Saville.
Both cases highlight how the established organs of the media cannot be trusted!
The Garda and government were good at turning a blind eye on the clergy, I suppose they've form
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 07:09:55 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 06:39:40 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 06:28:25 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 06:25:09 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 05:08:09 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 25, 2024, 11:24:24 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 25, 2024, 11:01:23 PMCongratulations. You're able to pull up individual cases of crimes committed by immigrants. Would you like me to start pulling up cases of locals committing crime as if that's some sort of "gotcha" moment?
If you're talking about the grooming gangs in northern England as 'individual cases', then you really need to look a bit more deeply at what went on.
What grooming gang would that be? Jimmy Saville and his mates like Gary Glitter?
But those cases are very well known. The Asian grooming gangs and the "hands-off" approach taken by authorities seems to be lesser so - at least, judging by your apparent ignorance.
Yeah, it would have been awful if the authorities had taken a "hands off" approach to Saville.
Both cases highlight how the established organs of the media cannot be trusted!
The Garda and government were good at turning a blind eye on the clergy, I suppose they've form
Ah here. That was just a few bad apples. Can't have all priests and brothers tarred with the same brush. Immigrants on the other hand...
~sarc
Yes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Ah the point of uk grooming sex gangs and racists torturing refugees in Ireland! Gotcha lol
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:10:56 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Ah the point of uk grooming sex gangs and racists torturing refugees in Ireland! Gotcha lol
The example of Asian grooming gangs targeting white British girls provides a warning sign against unfettered immigration, more like.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:16:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:10:56 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Ah the point of uk grooming sex gangs and racists torturing refugees in Ireland! Gotcha lol
The example of Asian grooming gangs targeting white British girls provides a warning sign against unfettered immigration, more like.
He also used the Rochdale grooming gang and they were British.. not immigrants
Grooming clergies should be a warning too I'd assume, not sure what to do with them though..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:19:20 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:16:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:10:56 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Ah the point of uk grooming sex gangs and racists torturing refugees in Ireland! Gotcha lol
The example of Asian grooming gangs targeting white British girls provides a warning sign against unfettered immigration, more like.
He also used the Rochdale grooming gang and they were British.. not immigrants
Grooming clergies should be a warning too I'd assume, not sure what to do with them though..
You've completely missed the point, pal.
Either that, or you're being deliberately obtuse.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:27:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:19:20 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:16:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:10:56 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Ah the point of uk grooming sex gangs and racists torturing refugees in Ireland! Gotcha lol
The example of Asian grooming gangs targeting white British girls provides a warning sign against unfettered immigration, more like.
He also used the Rochdale grooming gang and they were British.. not immigrants
Grooming clergies should be a warning too I'd assume, not sure what to do with them though..
You've completely missed the point, pal.
Either that, or you're being deliberately obtuse.
I'm trying to work out the logic of racism and I'm struggling
I'm trying to work out how life is worse for helping others
I'm trying to work out why people don't realise that being part of the EU it's normal for EU countries to do their bit. ( you could move to the uk as they have it sorted lol)
I'm not sure of the differences between Irish grooming and Asian gangs, not sure we have Asian grooming gangs here though
All you need to do is chill, I hope your kids don't read this or hear your rants about immigration or refugees, it's rotten
Only, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
The point is you can either tar an entire group of people with the same brush or you can't. In the case of priests it was a case of an institutional failure, but "immigrants" are not an organisation. They're a type of person with one thing in common - the fact that they came from somewhere else. The fact that some of them are abusers does not mean that they all are, despite your implication that they are. Sexual abuse is a law enforcement problem and a social problem, not an immigration problem. Unless you think Jimmy Saville and the Christian Brothers were all immigrants.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Friendly reminder that there's over 40 million people worldwide who can claim Irish ancestry. We have an entire genre of sentimental ballad songs lamenting emigration and we refer to the "exiles" all the time. The sight of Irish people giving out about migration is just priceless.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:56:13 PMFriendly reminder that there's over 40 million people worldwide who can claim Irish ancestry. We have an entire genre of sentimental ballad songs lamenting emigration and we refer to the "exiles" all the time. The sight of Irish people giving out about migration is just priceless.
The people in Ireland did not migrate, it is those 40 million who should look after migrants.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2024, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:56:13 PMFriendly reminder that there's over 40 million people worldwide who can claim Irish ancestry. We have an entire genre of sentimental ballad songs lamenting emigration and we refer to the "exiles" all the time. The sight of Irish people giving out about migration is just priceless.
The people in Ireland did not migrate, it is those 40 million who should look after migrants.
Bottom line is if you're not for open borders you're a racist
Quote from: armaghniac on January 26, 2024, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:56:13 PMFriendly reminder that there's over 40 million people worldwide who can claim Irish ancestry. We have an entire genre of sentimental ballad songs lamenting emigration and we refer to the "exiles" all the time. The sight of Irish people giving out about migration is just priceless.
The people in Ireland did not migrate, it is those 40 million who should look after migrants.
A million left Ireland during the famine, and the Irish kept migrating right up to the present day. It's a good bet that half the "send them back" crowd has relatives living abroad.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:40:19 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:27:00 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:19:20 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:16:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 08:10:56 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 07:47:09 PMYes, I see - getting away from the point again. What a surprise.
Ah the point of uk grooming sex gangs and racists torturing refugees in Ireland! Gotcha lol
The example of Asian grooming gangs targeting white British girls provides a warning sign against unfettered immigration, more like.
He also used the Rochdale grooming gang and they were British.. not immigrants
Grooming clergies should be a warning too I'd assume, not sure what to do with them though..
You've completely missed the point, pal.
Either that, or you're being deliberately obtuse.
I'm trying to work out the logic of racism and I'm struggling
I'm trying to work out how life is worse for helping others
I'm trying to work out why people don't realise that being part of the EU it's normal for EU countries to do their bit. ( you could move to the uk as they have it sorted lol)
I'm not sure of the differences between Irish grooming and Asian gangs, not sure we have Asian grooming gangs here though
All you need to do is chill, I hope your kids don't read this or hear your rants about immigration or refugees, it's rotten
It's hatred towards non-white people. It's as simple as that. Unless you're of the same mindset, you won't get it (work it out).
Or maybe racists wouldn't want asylum scammers like this guy looking after their elderly and vulnerable female relatives
https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/nursing-home-rapist-came-to-ireland-illegally/39486133.html
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:27:27 PMOr maybe racists wouldn't want asylum scammers like this guy looking after their elderly and vulnerable female relatives
https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/nursing-home-rapist-came-to-ireland-illegally/39486133.html
More examples... every country in the world has these. Someone from America causes death rape in another country, someone from uk causes same elsewhere and so on
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:27:27 PMOr maybe racists wouldn't want asylum scammers like this guy looking after their elderly and vulnerable female relatives
https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/nursing-home-rapist-came-to-ireland-illegally/39486133.html
No maybe they would prefer a Gallagher, Nixon, O'Loan or O'Kane all from the greater Belfast area...
https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-12-12/five-former-hospital-staff-members-in-court-on-abuse-charges (https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-12-12/five-former-hospital-staff-members-in-court-on-abuse-charges)
Just admit you don't like people with darker skin. You'd get more respect for your honesty here.
This is like the people on Twitter who sit around all day selectively posting stories about crimes that happen to be committed by dark-skinned people. I'll bet they think they're onto something. Utterly pathetic.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 26, 2024, 10:43:01 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:27:27 PMOr maybe racists wouldn't want asylum scammers like this guy looking after their elderly and vulnerable female relatives
https://m.sundayworld.com/news/irish-news/nursing-home-rapist-came-to-ireland-illegally/39486133.html
No maybe they would prefer a Gallagher, Nixon, O'Loan or O'Kane all from the greater Belfast area...
https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-12-12/five-former-hospital-staff-members-in-court-on-abuse-charges (https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-12-12/five-former-hospital-staff-members-in-court-on-abuse-charges)
Just admit you don't like people with darker skin. You'd get more respect for your honesty here.
I don't like scammers and I certainly don't like virtue signalers (with chips on their shoulders)
So Leo Varadkar said in tape that asylum seekers should seeks asylum at their first post of entry-Is he a racist? (Are all the other TDs also caught on tape saying the same thing racists?)
The Guards, at the behest of the government started cracking down of people arriving at Dublin Airport with no ID-are the Guards and the Government ministers who directed them to crack down racists?
Should asylum seekers/refugees who commit serious crimes be deported?
Should Irelands welfare entitlements be the same as other EU countries or is that racist?
No, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Christ more examples..
You don't! How did the Americans know that you weren't a waster, or a bigot or a racist?
Maybe that fits well in the States but if you had to pass a test to get into a country based on morality, you'd fail
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:35:11 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Christ more examples..
You don't! How did the Americans know that you weren't a waster, or a bigot or a racist?
Maybe that fits well in the States but if you had to pass a test to get into a country based on morality, you'd fail
You're the one saying how things work (or should work) but when the rubber meets the road the laws aren't enforced
Is asking for laws to be enforced rascist?
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/fugitive-wanted-in-sweden-for-attacking-cops-during-burning-of-quran-riots-refused-bail/a75515938.html
This guy entered without a passport even though he had an active warrant from Sweeden
Am I a racist for suggesting he should have been denied entry?
Is the judge a racist :
" Ms Justice Melanie Greally said the court was concerned that he appeared to have travelled to Ireland without his passport"
You're sad. It's ok, living away in the states won't have help. God love you
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2024, 12:09:31 AMYou're sad. It's ok, living away in the states won't have help. God love you
I'm actually quite comfortable with my views
Legitimate questions are being asked of the governments handling of this crisis
The answer to these questions is not to accuse the people asking of being racist and far right.
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 12:30:56 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2024, 12:09:31 AMYou're sad. It's ok, living away in the states won't have help. God love you
I'm actually quite comfortable with my views
Legitimate questions are being asked of the governments handling of this crisis
The answer to these questions is not to accuse the people asking of being racist and far right.
Questions are not being asked or put to politicians..
No, it's easier to terrorise refugees or immigrants than go to the houses of politicians and terrorise them or, oh I know, vote them.
Blame the system not people taking advantage of it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2024, 12:09:31 AMYou're sad. It's ok, living away in the states won't have help. God love you
Pathetic, cheap shot. You don't say that to Eamonnaca, I notice, and no one says it to you, living in the north, and all. Besides, for you holier-than-thou bleeding hearts, it shouldn't matter where someone's from, eh?
So because we have criminals here already it's ok to import more? And if you don't want that to happen you are s racist?
when people protests outside homes of politicians does a lot of people not moan and say its over the top
So from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
The Fascist catchphrases translated from mid or Eastern European languages...
"Unvetted" (as most Irish people are too). IP applicants are screened.
"Single males of military age". Conspiracy theory that these are all undercover soldiers One genius in Newbridge says they're all undercover NATO soldiers.
Of course it is and was always easier and safer for young males to move around than for females or older people.
"White genocide" "Plantation" "Invasion"
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 08:35:15 AMSo because we have criminals here already it's ok to import more? And if you don't want that to happen you are s racist?
Thats a tired argument, stop using it.
Immigrants refugees illegals are here, standing with pitchforks and torches where these people are living makes you a racist.
You might as well stick on the white hooded cloaks while you're at it
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2024, 11:27:19 AMThe Fascist catchphrases translated from mid or Eastern European languages...
"Unvetted" (as most Irish people are too). IP applicants are screened.
"Single males of military age". Conspiracy theory that these are all undercover soldiers One genius in Newbridge says they're all undercover NATO soldiers.
Of course it is and was always easier and safer for young males to move around than for females or older people.
"White genocide" "Plantation" "Invasion"
Plantation is my favourite. Absolute simpletons.
Is this a good thing (I think it is) or is this a racist government ?
Or too late ?
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mcentee-to-expand-list-of-safe-countries-to-cut-down-on-asylum-seekers-1580180.html
The Minister of Justice is to expand the list of "safe countries" in a bid to cut down on the numbers arriving here seeking international protection.
Helen McEntee has told fellow ministers that she plans to add more countries to the current list of eight safe countries and will have a memo ready to go to the Government for sign-off in the coming weeks.
As the Irish Examiner reports, the Government also wants to substantially increase the fines that are imposed on airlines if passengers arrive here without passports or official documents.
It is understood Minister for Housing Darragh O'Brien suggested that the current airline penalties, which stand at €1,500 per offence, should be doubled and perhaps tripled.
There was broad agreement to this proposal during a meeting of the Sub-Cabinet Committee on Ukraine this afternoon.
Out of the 16.6 million passengers that arrived at airports, 3,285 could not provide documentation and the Government accepts that this must be tackled.
Outlining her plans to expand the list of safe countries, Ms McEntee pointed out that the number of people arriving from Georgia has halved since it was added to the list of "safe countries".
Ministers also discussed health provisions for those arriving from Ukraine and elsewhere, as well as education.
It is understood Education Minister Norma Foley called for increased capital investment in schools, pointing to a particular pressure at secondary level and late primary level.
Minister for Public Expenditure Paschal Donohoe, who attended the meeting, is already engaging with a number of Departments on funding for capital projects.
Both the Taoiseach and the Tánaiste stressed the need for a coherent and coordinated communications strategy on the asylum process and accommodation for both Ukrainians and others seeking protection here.
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 06:07:14 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 26, 2024, 09:44:06 AMThe Whiteys of the World only see black skin or Muslim sounding names to get outraged.
They dont notice or feel the need to comment on crimes by people who look like themselves or have "white" sounding names.
Absolute racists.
So it's racist to expect immigration law to be properly enforced and "foreign" criminals to be deported? (where appropriate)
There have been home grown Irish criminals since the foundation of the state.
Are you suggesting that because some Irish people are criminals, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries and not make any effort to prevent "bad apples" from coming in?
(Doesn't make much sense to me)
One thing we should be able to expect is equal outrage when the murderers or criminals are locals. We don't get that though. Can you explain why?
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Quote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 12:02:40 AMhttps://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/fugitive-wanted-in-sweden-for-attacking-cops-during-burning-of-quran-riots-refused-bail/a75515938.html
This guy entered without a passport even though he had an active warrant from Sweeden
Am I a racist for suggesting he should have been denied entry?
Is the judge a racist :
" Ms Justice Melanie Greally said the court was concerned that he appeared to have travelled to Ireland without his passport"
Appeared to have entered without a passport. You don't need a passport to travel between EU countries. If he had Swedish docs, such as an ID card, he could have used that.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:24:02 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 12:02:40 AMhttps://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/fugitive-wanted-in-sweden-for-attacking-cops-during-burning-of-quran-riots-refused-bail/a75515938.html
This guy entered without a passport even though he had an active warrant from Sweeden
Am I a racist for suggesting he should have been denied entry?
Is the judge a racist :
" Ms Justice Melanie Greally said the court was concerned that he appeared to have travelled to Ireland without his passport"
Appeared to have entered without a passport. You don't need a passport to travel between EU countries. If he had Swedish docs, such as an ID card, he could have used that.
Would non EU citizens not need a passport?
I assume the judge knows the law better than me and it caused her concern. Maybe she could explain what was she concerned about
If he did enter on a Swedish ID-someone would have check it upon entry at Dublin airport correct?
Why didn't the outstanding warrant show up when the checked his ID? Or did they check it at all? Or did he have a fake ID?
(UPDATE)
https://www.thejournal.ie/somali-born-fugitive-fighting-his-extradition-to-sweden-refused-bail-by-high-court-6249737-Dec2023/
" The second issue, she said, which caused the court concern was that Yusuf had travelled to Ireland without his passport. "There is significant doubt as to where that passport is, he claims to have a national identity card from Sweden and claims to have travelled on that but that has not been made available and is not capable of verification at this time"
LOL
nder cross-examination, the detective told Thomas Horan BL, for the respondent, that Yusuf had returned from Sweden to assist his father who was unable to work and was on disability allowance.
FFS
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Quote from: ThomasMullan on January 27, 2024, 11:41:51 AMQuote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2024, 11:27:19 AMThe Fascist catchphrases translated from mid or Eastern European languages...
"Unvetted" (as most Irish people are too). IP applicants are screened.
"Single males of military age". Conspiracy theory that these are all undercover soldiers One genius in Newbridge says they're all undercover NATO soldiers.
Of course it is and was always easier and safer for young males to move around than for females or older people.
"White genocide" "Plantation" "Invasion"
Plantation is my favourite. Absolute simpletons.
Simpletons are people who describe anything they don't agree with as 'fascist'.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
How many of the 7 billion have applied to come here?
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Was he an asylum seeker?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:41:34 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Was he an asylum seeker?
I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)
Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?
So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 02:52:56 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:41:34 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Was he an asylum seeker?
I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)
Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?
So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?
He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:43:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:43:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?
70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:09:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:43:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?
70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand
Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.
Armaghniac used to be a sensible poster.
There are c450,000,000 in the EU and 60,000,000 English/Scots/Welsh who can all come here if they wish.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:05:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 02:52:56 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:41:34 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Was he an asylum seeker?
I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)
Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?
So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?
He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.
Well I'm not an expert, that part is correct.
But I do have common sense in abundance
If someone has 3 outstanding warrants, how do they get through the checks at Dublin Airport if the checks are as vigorous as we are led to believe.
The judge is the one who expressed concern that he had come in without a passport. Now it looks like there is no proof he came in with a valid Swedish ID either.
I guess I'm guilty of connecting the dots-judge says he had no passport and had either no ID/False ID...... I made an assumption then, that he had sought asylum which may or may not be accurate.
But my point is still valid-if people are vetted, how did he get in
Quote from: Rossfan on January 27, 2024, 03:18:00 PMArmaghniac used to be a sensible poster.
There are c450,000,000 in the EU and 60,000,000 English/Scots/Welsh who can all come here if they wish.
I still am a sensible poster.
These people have no strong motivation to come here as they are in prosperous countries. Likewise people are not going to come here from the US, Canada, Japan etc.
Do you contend that a person is no more likely to leave a poor country than a more prosperous one?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:11:11 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:09:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:43:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?
70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand
Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.
70 million don't want to come here. And just so you know, plenty of EU people who come here make up stories about why they want to come
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 03:19:02 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:05:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 02:52:56 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:41:34 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Was he an asylum seeker?
I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)
Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?
So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?
He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.
Well I'm not an expert, that part is correct.
But I do have common sense in abundance
If someone has 3 outstanding warrants, how do they get through the checks at Dublin Airport if the checks are as vigorous as we are led to believe.
The judge is the one who expressed concern that he had come in without a passport. Now it looks like there is no proof he came in with a valid Swedish ID either.
I guess I'm guilty of connecting the dots-judge says he had no passport and had either no ID/False ID...... I made an assumption then, that he had sought asylum which may or may not be accurate.
But my point is still valid-if people are vetted, how did he get in
It's pretty clear you don't have any knowledge of how the asylum system works here never mind being an expert.
A lot of people won't be vetted until they get here. That's how it works. If I go to Spain on holidays they scan my passport. If I've any convictions or anything flagging worth flagging it should show up on their system. That's the vetting they do. The same works here. If an immigration officer scans the passport or ID doc any l thing untoward should show up. Likewise the IO can ask further questions if they have suspicions. Generally people on EU IDs won't be questioned too much so either there was nothing linked to his doc or the IO didn't do his/her job correctly. That's not the systems fault, that's the fault of the person operating it.
Of course, the guy in question may have come in to the north and used the CTA
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 03:29:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:32:06 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 03:19:02 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:05:58 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 02:52:56 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:41:34 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 01:28:36 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:20:20 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 11:29:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2024, 11:02:24 PMNo, he's reiterating what should happen, but when they arrive they should be processed and either sent back if they don't meet the requirements and if they meet refugee status they can stay.
Not difficult for someone like you to understand
So how do you know if they have destroyed their ID and you can't verify their identity?
How do you know if they already have a claim in another country that's been denied?
What about a grifter like this
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30906753.html
Irish immigration have access to Eurodac. Take finger prints. Process them. It's that easy
So when they fingerprinted the fella from Sweeden with the outstanding warrants, why didn't he show up?
Was he an asylum seeker?
I don't know....the judge is implying that he came in without any ID (or a false ID Which should be even more concerning)
Exactly what checks occurred at Dublin airport that let this guy slip through the cracks?
So as a taxpayer are you happy paying this guys legal fees to fight his extradition to Sweeden?
He didn't come here and apply for asylum so they couldn't have run his fingerprints through eurodac. You don't know how the asylum system works. That's all you had to say.
Did he come through Dublin airport? Surely immigration there would have ran his ID. Not sure how their system works but I would have thought any convictions would show up.
Well I'm not an expert, that part is correct.
But I do have common sense in abundance
If someone has 3 outstanding warrants, how do they get through the checks at Dublin Airport if the checks are as vigorous as we are led to believe.
The judge is the one who expressed concern that he had come in without a passport. Now it looks like there is no proof he came in with a valid Swedish ID either.
I guess I'm guilty of connecting the dots-judge says he had no passport and had either no ID/False ID...... I made an assumption then, that he had sought asylum which may or may not be accurate.
But my point is still valid-if people are vetted, how did he get in
It's pretty clear you don't have any knowledge of how the asylum system works here never mind being an expert.
A lot of people won't be vetted until they get here. That's how it works. If I go to Spain on holidays they scan my passport. If I've any convictions or anything flagging worth flagging it should show up on their system. That's the vetting they do. The same works here. If an immigration officer scans the passport or ID doc any l thing untoward should show up. Likewise the IO can ask further questions if they have suspicions. Generally people on EU IDs won't be questioned too much so either there was nothing linked to his doc or the IO didn't do his/her job correctly. That's not the systems fault, that's the fault of the person operating it.
Of course, the guy in question may have come in to the north and used the CTA
So in other words the vetting process that's in place didn't work
Who knows Whitey? Do you know where when and how he came in? Don't know what docs he used?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:32:54 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 03:29:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.
Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!
So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?
Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:42:28 PMWho knows Whitey? Do you know where when and how he came in? Don't know what docs he used?
No one seems to know....even the judge
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 03:43:18 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:32:54 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 03:29:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.
Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!
So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?
Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?
I don't o ow if he's a victim of over aggressive policing but I do know that people are more concerned about him and what he done or what other foreign nationals have done than what they are about what locals do. Why is that?
Hope no Dublin women are being let into Roscommon...
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-charged-over-bus-slash-attack-that-left-teenager-permanently-scarred/a1896499326.html
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:50:13 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 03:43:18 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:32:54 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 03:29:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.
Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!
So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?
Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?
I don't o ow if he's a victim of over aggressive policing but I do know that people are more concerned about him and what he done or what other foreign nationals have done than what they are about what locals do. Why is that?
Because locals can't be deported
This guy can and should be deported
He might still be
Quote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 04:40:07 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:50:13 PMQuote from: whitey on January 27, 2024, 03:43:18 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:32:54 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 03:29:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
Dude brought up prior convictions so aye. It's relevant.
Eamonn claimed that migrants were the victims of overly vigorous prosecution by the authorities....they are being picked on!
So a guy with 8 priors for lewd behavior-was he the victim of an overly aggressive prosecution?
Regarding the guy in Lurgan, as has been said on here a million times, just because we have home grown criminals, does that means we shouldn't try and prevent additional criminals coming in from other countries?
I don't o ow if he's a victim of over aggressive policing but I do know that people are more concerned about him and what he done or what other foreign nationals have done than what they are about what locals do. Why is that?
Because locals can't be deported
This guy can and should be deported
Nah. That's not the reason why.
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:26:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:11:11 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:09:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:43:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?
70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand
Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.
70 million don't want to come here. And just so you know, plenty of EU people who come here make up stories about why they want to come
EU people don't have to explain themselves, so that is irrelevant.
As I asked earlier, as you stating that nobody in poor countries wish to move to rich countries?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 06:49:32 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:26:51 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:11:11 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 03:09:06 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:07:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 02:43:38 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Really? 7 billion who might want to come?
OK, then lets say that only 1% want to come, that's 70 million, so no problem?
70 million don't want to come here either. You're grand
Oh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.
70 million don't want to come here. And just so you know, plenty of EU people who come here make up stories about why they want to come
EU people don't have to explain themselves, so that is irrelevant.
As I asked earlier, as you stating that nobody in poor countries wish to move to rich countries?
EU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:07:49 PMEU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island
I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.
Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:40:33 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:07:49 PMEU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island
I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.
Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.
You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 10:50:00 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:40:33 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:07:49 PMEU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island
I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.
Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.
You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?
I was talking about this island, but I was not trying to justify Brexiteer policies.
I didn't say that it was a bad thing for these people, I said it was a bad thing for us.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:51:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 10:50:00 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:40:33 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:07:49 PMEU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island
I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.
Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.
You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?
I was talking about this island, but I was not trying to justify Brexiteer policies.
I didn't say that it was a bad thing for these people, I said it was a bad thing for us.
Why is it a bad thing? Cake eating it style debate
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 02:12:10 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on January 27, 2024, 10:11:50 AMSo from this, it's that vetting hasn't been done enough on the immigrants is the issue? Not the numbers themselves? Or are we just going down a rabbit hole with the focus on these few immigrants who have broken the law? Just genuinely interested as it's two very different discussions.
There are 7 billion people who might want to come and all of these will not fit on this island, but the open door crowd refuse to countenance a limit of any sort or to that the present arrangements encourage chancers.
Genuine question. What do you think the population of the world is?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 03:11:11 PMOh I think 70 million might well want to come here, but we do not allow them, and most do not make up stories to try and come here. Which is not the same thing.
What's your source for this? A random number generator?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 27, 2024, 03:29:57 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 12:18:32 PMQuote from: whitey on January 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMQuote from: Eamonnca1 on January 26, 2024, 08:51:21 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 26, 2024, 08:48:09 PMOnly, or mainly, in Western Europe are countries having serious problems with immigration. I merely want us to protect ourselves for future generations.
However, thanks for the holier-than-thou lecture.
Look, it's pretty obvious neither of us is going to persuade the other, and while I know arguing with strangers on the internet is basically pointless, sometimes it can be stimulating. This, though, isn't - so I'm off to scrub the dishes!
Like what? Upsetting racist patients who want to be treated by one of their own?
Or upsetting racist patients who don't want a fella jerking off at the foot of their hospital bed when theyre recovering from an operation might be a start
A fella with 8 priors BTW
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-flasher-jailed-after-performing-sexual-act-in-front-of-woman-in-hospital-as-she-recovered-from-surgery/a2146621981.html
Are you gonna comment on the fella with over 30 priors who was free to murder a young lad in lurgan? Or does thefact he was a local make it ok? Or maybe it's because his victim was from the north?
Saying as this thread is about immigrants then it's not really relevant is it.
It kind of is relevant if you're trying to make the claim that immigrants are inherently more dangerous than locals.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:51:49 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 10:50:00 PMQuote from: armaghniac on January 27, 2024, 10:40:33 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on January 27, 2024, 09:07:49 PMEU people do have to explain themselves when they come here.
I'm telling you 70 million people don't want to come to this island
I was referring to the 26 counties, EU citizens have a right to travel throughout the EU and are not asked questions.
Are you contending that there are not 70million people (or a lot more) who would prefer to live in Ireland than in their own country. So they would come here if they could and if other places did not welcome them.
You were talking about this island.
And let's talk about this island. How many people actually leave here to go and better their lives? It's ok for them to do it but if someone else dreams about doing it it's a bad thing?
I was talking about this island, but I was not trying to justify Brexiteer policies.
I didn't say that it was a bad thing for these people, I said it was a bad thing for us.
How is it a bad thing? We need more people of working age, which immigrants tend to be.
There was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 06:38:52 PMThere was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.
There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website
If true....that's a major black eye for the government
Quote from: whitey on January 29, 2024, 07:06:00 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 06:38:52 PMThere was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.
There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website
If true....that's a major black eye for the government
But doesn't stop you using it plus...
putTING THINGS IN CAPITALS doesn't make it fact
I see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
They're also calling for a no vote in the Referendums to stop foreigners taking over.
I used to wonder why none of them had a job....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2024, 08:39:57 PMQuote from: whitey on January 29, 2024, 07:06:00 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 06:38:52 PMThere was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.
There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website
If true....that's a major black eye for the government
But doesn't stop you using it plus...
putTING THINGS IN CAPITALS doesn't make it fact
I assume it was used for emphasis.
Anyway, poll findings show that the international socialists and laissez faire capitalists on here are out of step with what the vast majority feels about the issue!
Quote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:49:11 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2024, 08:39:57 PMQuote from: whitey on January 29, 2024, 07:06:00 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 06:38:52 PMThere was a poll in today's Irish Times which shows that immigration is the top concern for people in this country, and that over 80% had a negative view to what was happening as regards same in this country.
There's also a report on Twitter (from a somewhat questionable source) that asylum applicants DO NOT have their fingerprints checked against criminal databases and the the Irish Refugee Council have removed that language from their website
If true....that's a major black eye for the government
But doesn't stop you using it plus...
putTING THINGS IN CAPITALS doesn't make it fact
I assume it was used for emphasis.
Anyway, poll findings show that the international socialists and laissez faire capitalists here are out of step with what the vast majority feels about the issue.
If they have been lying about this I can't even imagine what the fallout will be
And the reason I even mentioned it in the first place is that I doubt of the "reputable" media outlets will report in this even if it's true
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/algeria-and-botswana-to-be-added-to-list-of-safe-countries-as-part-of-crackdown-on-asylum-seekers/a1359818894.html
LOL
I've heard it all now
What exactly are they "cracking down" on?
I thought these were all "genuine" asylum cases
They must have gotten some internal
Polls that have shocked them
(Purely Anecdotal I know-but I was talking to some hardcore Blueshirts over the weekend who are voting third part anti immigration at the local elections)
Can someone help here, because I'm struggling, how do you grant asylum AFTER someone has been convicted of a sex offence ?
He had also been refused asylum TWICE :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68167793
Clapham attack suspect Abdul Ezedi convicted of sex offence in 2018
The suspect in an alkali attack in south London was convicted of a sex offence in 2018 and was later granted asylum.
Police are looking for Abdul Shakoor Ezedi, 35, who was last seen at a Tesco shop in north London on Wednesday evening.
He was convicted of "sexual assault/exposure" in 2018, before being granted asylum in 2021 or 2022.
The Met Police have issued an image of him showing facial injuries.
The image of Ezedi was released on Thursday - showing "significant injuries" to his right eye. It was taken at a Tesco Express shop on Caledonian Road, north London, at 20:48 GMT on Wednesday.
Police have warned people to call 999 if they see him.
BBC News understands that Ezedi arrived in the UK by lorry in 2016.
His sentence for the sexual offence, passed down at Newcastle Crown Court, included an unpaid work order.
Once that was completed in 2020, Ezedi was discharged from probation supervision.
A mother and daughter hurt by the corrosive substance could have suffered "life-changing" injuries in Wednesday's attack.
The 31-year-old and her daughter, three, remain in hospital, along with her older daughter, eight.
The suspect attempted to escape the scene in Clapham in a car but crashed into a stationary vehicle, then ran.
Police believe he is known to the family, but said they were not yet clear on their exact relationship.
Supt Gabriel Cameron told reporters on Thursday he had "no idea" what Ezedi's motivation may have been, but that he was "wholeheartedly confident" he would be caught.
He said Ezedi is believed to be from the Newcastle area, and the car left at the scene, a Hyundai, belonged to him.
He may have been known to police, Supt Cameron added.
"While this appears to be a targeted attack, he is a dangerous individual, and we urgently need to find him," the Metropolitan Police said earlier on Thursday.
Supt Cameron said the suspect was last seen in the north London area, in Caledonian Road, and if people see him they should not approach him, but call 999.
There was a heightened police presence in Caledonian Road on Thursday afternoon, including unmarked cars with blue sirens and police vans.
Twelve people in total were hurt in the attack. Out of four members of the public who tried to help, three went to hospital with injuries - two women in their 30s and one in her 50s.
Police say they "bravely came to the aid of the family" and have now been discharged from hospital.
The London Ambulance Service said it sent a response team, including three ambulance crews, to the scene after receiving a call about an incident near Clapham Common just before 19:30 on Wednesday.
A man in his 50s declined medical treatment for minor injuries he suffered at the scene.
Five officers who were injured as they responded to the attack have left hospital after receiving treatment.
Some of the burns the mother and her daughters suffered in the attack were "quite substantial", Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley told the BBC on Thursday, but added he did not have a full picture of their injuries yet.
They were attacked on Lessar Avenue, near Clapham Common, at 19:25 on Wednesday evening. Police were called following reports of an attack with a suspected "corrosive substance".
One witness told the BBC that the mother cried "I can't see, I can't see" as he tried to help.
Police have urged any members of the public who saw what happened to call 101 quoting reference CAD 7790/31Jan.
Officers have also asked local residents and drivers to check their doorbell and dash cameras for any footage that might have captured a man fleeing the area.
A crime scene is now in place and is likely to remain there for some time, police say.
Quote from: Kidder81 on February 01, 2024, 09:38:25 PMCan someone help here, because I'm struggling, how do you grant asylum AFTER someone has been convicted of a sex offence ?
He had also been refused asylum TWICE :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68167793
Clapham attack suspect Abdul Ezedi convicted of sex offence in 2018
The suspect in an alkali attack in south London was convicted of a sex offence in 2018 and was later granted asylum.
Police are looking for Abdul Shakoor Ezedi, 35, who was last seen at a Tesco shop in north London on Wednesday evening.
He was convicted of "sexual assault/exposure" in 2018, before being granted asylum in 2021 or 2022.
The Met Police have issued an image of him showing facial injuries.
The image of Ezedi was released on Thursday - showing "significant injuries" to his right eye. It was taken at a Tesco Express shop on Caledonian Road, north London, at 20:48 GMT on Wednesday.
Police have warned people to call 999 if they see him.
BBC News understands that Ezedi arrived in the UK by lorry in 2016.
His sentence for the sexual offence, passed down at Newcastle Crown Court, included an unpaid work order.
Once that was completed in 2020, Ezedi was discharged from probation supervision.
A mother and daughter hurt by the corrosive substance could have suffered "life-changing" injuries in Wednesday's attack.
The 31-year-old and her daughter, three, remain in hospital, along with her older daughter, eight.
The suspect attempted to escape the scene in Clapham in a car but crashed into a stationary vehicle, then ran.
Police believe he is known to the family, but said they were not yet clear on their exact relationship.
Supt Gabriel Cameron told reporters on Thursday he had "no idea" what Ezedi's motivation may have been, but that he was "wholeheartedly confident" he would be caught.
He said Ezedi is believed to be from the Newcastle area, and the car left at the scene, a Hyundai, belonged to him.
He may have been known to police, Supt Cameron added.
"While this appears to be a targeted attack, he is a dangerous individual, and we urgently need to find him," the Metropolitan Police said earlier on Thursday.
Supt Cameron said the suspect was last seen in the north London area, in Caledonian Road, and if people see him they should not approach him, but call 999.
There was a heightened police presence in Caledonian Road on Thursday afternoon, including unmarked cars with blue sirens and police vans.
Twelve people in total were hurt in the attack. Out of four members of the public who tried to help, three went to hospital with injuries - two women in their 30s and one in her 50s.
Police say they "bravely came to the aid of the family" and have now been discharged from hospital.
The London Ambulance Service said it sent a response team, including three ambulance crews, to the scene after receiving a call about an incident near Clapham Common just before 19:30 on Wednesday.
A man in his 50s declined medical treatment for minor injuries he suffered at the scene.
Five officers who were injured as they responded to the attack have left hospital after receiving treatment.
Some of the burns the mother and her daughters suffered in the attack were "quite substantial", Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley told the BBC on Thursday, but added he did not have a full picture of their injuries yet.
They were attacked on Lessar Avenue, near Clapham Common, at 19:25 on Wednesday evening. Police were called following reports of an attack with a suspected "corrosive substance".
One witness told the BBC that the mother cried "I can't see, I can't see" as he tried to help.
Police have urged any members of the public who saw what happened to call 101 quoting reference CAD 7790/31Jan.
Officers have also asked local residents and drivers to check their doorbell and dash cameras for any footage that might have captured a man fleeing the area.
A crime scene is now in place and is likely to remain there for some time, police say.
Of course... Get another pastime.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 01, 2024, 09:53:55 PMOf course... Get another pastime.
Another blatant refusal to deal with the issues. And from someone who hardly ever posts themselves, I see.
According to the news this morning after being twice refused for asylum he then converted to Christianity
You would think the home office has serious questions to answer
What part of Ireland did this happen?
The 18th arson by nazifascists ,2nd this week, at a house in Leixlip which the nazifascists wrongly claimed was to be used for IP Applicants.
The Government need to treat this guerilla campaign as the emergency it is.
Forgot to mention the big march in Dublin on Monday, eh?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
Are you replying as a Nazi fascist?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
Quote from: Main Street on February 07, 2024, 10:22:53 PMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
Are you replying as a Nazi fascist?
Nah - just as a normal, right-thinking person!
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 09:24:59 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
The RUNIC iconography - as I said. On the Late Late? Did you miss that? Mr. "1888"!!?
Quote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 10:56:56 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 09:24:59 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
The RUNIC iconography - as I said. On the Late Late? Did you miss that? Mr. "1888"!!?
which runes? "1888"? Do you have a point?
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 12:11:03 PMQuote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 10:56:56 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 09:24:59 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
The RUNIC iconography - as I said. On the Late Late? Did you miss that? Mr. "1888"!!?
which runes? "1888"? Do you have a point?
What do you mean "which runes?"? The ones on backdrop to her performance on the Late Late. As I said.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 12:11:03 PMQuote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 10:56:56 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 09:24:59 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
The RUNIC iconography - as I said. On the Late Late? Did you miss that? Mr. "1888"!!?
which runes? "1888"? Do you have a point?
What do you mean "which runes?"? The ones on backdrop to her performance on the Late Late. As I said.
I meant what were the runes? Pretty simple to understand
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 01:30:51 PMQuote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 12:11:03 PMQuote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 10:56:56 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 09:24:59 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
The RUNIC iconography - as I said. On the Late Late? Did you miss that? Mr. "1888"!!?
which runes? "1888"? Do you have a point?
What do you mean "which runes?"? The ones on backdrop to her performance on the Late Late. As I said.
I meant what were the runes? Pretty simple to understand
Teiwaz; Fehu; Othala; Mannaz.
Quote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 02:13:26 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 01:30:51 PMQuote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 01:02:19 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 12:11:03 PMQuote from: burdizzo on February 08, 2024, 10:56:56 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 09:24:59 AMQuote from: burdizzo on January 29, 2024, 08:52:39 PMQuote from: Rossfan on January 29, 2024, 08:45:14 PMI see the Irish entry in the Euro song thing has upset our Nazi Fascists ;D
I liked the runic iconography she used, all the same.
what iconography was that now?
The RUNIC iconography - as I said. On the Late Late? Did you miss that? Mr. "1888"!!?
which runes? "1888"? Do you have a point?
What do you mean "which runes?"? The ones on backdrop to her performance on the Late Late. As I said.
I meant what were the runes? Pretty simple to understand
Teiwaz; Fehu; Othala; Mannaz.
cheers. I am assuming the issue is with the Othala rune
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 08, 2024, 03:04:34 PMcheers. I am assuming the issue is with the Othala rune
I have no issue with it.
True colours showing.....
https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/man-61-charged-over-arson-attack-on-luas-is-activist-with-far-right-national-party/a114954360.html
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/leitrim-county-council-takes-hotel-owner-to-high-court-over-plans-to-house-150-asylum-seekers/a1631376564.html
Racist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
There's a good one in letterkenny too though can't find it.
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 07:48:09 AMThere's a good one in letterkenny too though can't find it.
This is probably the one you mean:
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1756373609147146546?s=46
Quote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 08:19:19 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 07:48:09 AMThere's a good one in letterkenny too though can't find it.
This is probably the one you mean:
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1756373609147146546?s=46
What an absolute dose. Fair play to your man for not rising to it and replying in a calm manner with his strong Dublin accent ;D
"Were they claiming asylum from Nigeria???"
"No, me mas a nurse. She's working here doing her thing."
"...oh ok"
Quote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
The ignorant thug who got 0.75% of the vote in the General Election?
"I'm paying for your dole" sums it up.
Quote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 08:19:19 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 07:48:09 AMThere's a good one in letterkenny too though can't find it.
This is probably the one you mean:
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1756373609147146546?s=46
The very one. Love how the guy had absolutely no stats to back anything up and then there were some stats produced somewhere on twitter to completely debunk anything he said ;D
Quote from: RedHand88 on February 14, 2024, 08:30:30 AMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 08:19:19 AMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 07:48:09 AMThere's a good one in letterkenny too though can't find it.
This is probably the one you mean:
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1756373609147146546?s=46
What an absolute dose. Fair play to your man for not rising to it and replying in a calm manner with his strong Dublin accent ;D
"Were they claiming asylum from Nigeria???"
"No, me mas a nurse. She's working here doing her thing."
"...oh ok"
I was in Letterkenny when I was home in the summer. The dominating presence of foreign/non-white people really caught my eye in the town. Not!
Quote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Donegal's version of wee Jamie.......what an absolute nob.
i think your guys a sheep farmer i think hes self employed.
Hotel in louth to be converted into ayslum centre
Quote from: LC on February 14, 2024, 03:36:11 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Donegal's version of wee Jamie.......what an absolute nob.
you read some of the comments on that and it's like she was unprovoked. He was filming her - how would those like it if he filmed them. More to the point was he not filming kids too. Absolute buffoon.
did she not stop her car and get out
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 04:18:32 PMQuote from: LC on February 14, 2024, 03:36:11 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Donegal's version of wee Jamie.......what an absolute nob.
you read some of the comments on that and it's like she was unprovoked. He was filming her - how would those like it if he filmed them. More to the point was he not filming kids too. Absolute buffoon.
They seem to go around with their cameras on the whole time.
Was a great one in Dublin a few moths ago.
An extremist call Philo or Fergo approached this black kid and demanded he debate "Ireland for the Irish" with him.
Kid in perfect Gaeilge told him he'd debate it anytime any place but only I nGaeilge.
"Super Irish Patriot" man was only able to stutter "Ní thuigim"....
Quote from: Rossfan on February 14, 2024, 04:45:52 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on February 14, 2024, 04:18:32 PMQuote from: LC on February 14, 2024, 03:36:11 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Donegal's version of wee Jamie.......what an absolute nob.
you read some of the comments on that and it's like she was unprovoked. He was filming her - how would those like it if he filmed them. More to the point was he not filming kids too. Absolute buffoon.
They seem to go around with their cameras on the whole time.
Was a great one in Dublin a few moths ago.
An extremist call Philo or Fergo approached this black kid and demanded he debate "Ireland for the Irish" with him.
Kid in perfect Gaeilge told him he'd debate it anytime any place but only I nGaeilge.
"Super Irish Patriot" man was only able to stutter "Ní thuigim"....
Please tell me someone has the video...
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/Pzro5owmoGka9upy/
Quote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Fair play to her.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on February 14, 2024, 07:16:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Fair play to her.
Fearless.
I see when accused, the prixk didn't deny he was a racist (unusual?) however too stupid to cop on that the video of the confrontation ridiculed him.
Quote from: Main Street on February 14, 2024, 09:29:44 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 14, 2024, 07:16:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Fair play to her.
Fearless.
I see when accused, the prixk didn't deny he was a racist (unusual?) however too stupid to cop on that the video of the confrontation ridiculed him.
These guys are unbelievably stupid. There is another guy in Dublin (surname Pepper) who is self proclaimed Irish Patriot, republican etc and he just said the brits can keep the north as its a kip. At least I think that's what he said as he spells like a 2 year old.
Quote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 09:54:39 AMQuote from: Main Street on February 14, 2024, 09:29:44 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 14, 2024, 07:16:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Fair play to her.
Fearless.
I see when accused, the prixk didn't deny he was a racist (unusual?) however too stupid to cop on that the video of the confrontation ridiculed him.
These guys are unbelievably stupid. There is another guy in Dublin (surname Pepper) who is self proclaimed Irish Patriot, republican etc and he just said the brits can keep the north as its a kip. At least I think that's what he said as he spells like a 2 year old.
Ive seen some things on twitter about that dude and messages he has apparently written. Complete and utter bellend from what I have seen.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/watch-taoiseach-claims-ignorance-800000-32122206.amp
I wonder if you would be considered far right for questioning these charges
It's so outrageous I can't believe it's true, but time will tell
Quote from: tonto1888 on February 15, 2024, 10:22:00 AMQuote from: Itchy on February 15, 2024, 09:54:39 AMQuote from: Main Street on February 14, 2024, 09:29:44 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on February 14, 2024, 07:16:47 PMQuote from: ThomasMullan on February 14, 2024, 07:17:56 AMRacist shit stirrer Niall McConnell gets an absolute spanking from an angry Welsh lady. Well done her, I think I heard a wee tremble coming from hard man Niall.
https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1757437139187339517?s=46
Fair play to her.
Fearless.
I see when accused, the prixk didn't deny he was a racist (unusual?) however too stupid to cop on that the video of the confrontation ridiculed him.
These guys are unbelievably stupid. There is another guy in Dublin (surname Pepper) who is self proclaimed Irish Patriot, republican etc and he just said the brits can keep the north as its a kip. At least I think that's what he said as he spells like a 2 year old.
Ive seen some things on twitter about that dude and messages he has apparently written. Complete and utter bellend from what I have seen.
A few right nasty pieces of sh1te round Cork way too.
I'll name them later if Mod has more problem with that.
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2024, 02:16:52 PMA few right nasty pieces of sh1te round Cork way too.
I'll name them later if Mod has more problem with that.
Antifa love doxing.
Antifa FFS
Isn't Antifa = anti fascist ??.
Shouldn't every human with a shred of decency be against Fascism?
Quote from: Rossfan on February 15, 2024, 04:33:15 PMIsn't Antifa = anti fascist ??.
Shouldn't every human with a shred of decency be against Fascism?
Yes and yes.
Another genius from the nazifascist ranks....
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/RZXSNGuACWFgFbYM/
Antifa remind me of the old Father Ted joke
"No we're not fascists. Fascists go round wearing black and tell people what to do, whereas Priests...."
Muslim Imam seemingly set up to get a hammering in Dublin last night.
Someone arranged to meet him to discuss a Muslim wedding
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0216/1432658-tallaght-incident/
Quote from: Rossfan on February 16, 2024, 06:48:09 PMMuslim Imam seemingly set up to get a hammering in Dublin last night.
Someone arranged to meet him to discuss a Muslim wedding
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/0216/1432658-tallaght-incident/
This is a shocking thing, hopefully they'll collar those involved quickly.
A few posts removed.
I'd advise a few posters to cease posting on this thread/topic as your contributions will probably lead to permanent bans.
Go find another forum for your support/opposition to whatever side you are on/against.
Thanks,
Mod5