Feile an Phobail

[marty34]

Bonfire in Derry City a mess. Don't agree with it at all. A crowd of hoods.

I heard Gary Midleton on the news giving out about respect etc. and a while back he was standing, in his orders' regilia under a Support Soldier banner with parachute emblems all over it.

You couldn't make it up.

As I say, don't be taking lectures from unionists about respect.

[johnnycool]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

[marty34]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

[johnnycool]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

It's a false equivalence alright, but take that away from unionism and their media patsies and expose them for what they are.

[marty34]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

It's a false equivalence alright, but take that away from unionism and their media patsies and expose them for what they are.

You could, of course. But don't be fooled that they won't find some other false equivalence. I mean, at least the GAA isn't getting a touch this week.

Yeah, as I said yesterday, it's an ongoing process.

Féile this week, Fleadh last week, Irish language the week before and it'll be the GAA next week.

Don't be fooled.  This is an organised campaign against anything Irish.

Times are a changing.  Stay steadfast.

No lectures from unionism.

[thewobbler]

So, based on all that, would this be a good beginner's guide then?

"It is very much okay to be unapologetically Irish in the six counties, up to and including being openly hostile towards British people and institutions. But it's not okay to be unapologetically British, as that makes you a bigoted ****."

[trailer]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

[general_lee]

The thing is, "Unapologetically British" in a 6 county context tends to mean being a belligerent, intransigent, right wing, anti-Irish supremacist.

The brass neck of DUP and other Loyalist politicians bemoaning one single bonfire in Derry when it's exactly the same thing they get up to every July on a much larger scale is almost unbelievable.  Loyalist culture seems to be sacred - you can't challenge, criticise or oppose it without them going into full siege mentality.

[Snapchap]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

That's a veeeery long winded way of not answering the question. I'll try again:
You define a terrorist group as one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

[Rossfan]

When ever ye get round to scaling down ir stopping mimicking "Loyalist" carry on can the first step be to abolish those godawful "republican flute bands"?
They're an insult to our thousands of years of great Irish music heritage.

[johnnycool]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

It's a false equivalence alright, but take that away from unionism and their media patsies and expose them for what they are.

You could, of course. But don't be fooled that they won't find some other false equivalence. I mean, at least the GAA isn't getting a touch this week.

Yeah, as I said yesterday, it's an ongoing process.

Féile this week, Fleadh last week, Irish language the week before and it'll be the GAA next week.

Don't be fooled.  This is an organised campaign against anything Irish.

Times are a changing.  Stay steadfast.

No lectures from unionism.

It is, but don't make it easy for them by aping their "culture" and allowing them to use false equivalence about one bonfire vrs the dozens of 11th night bonfires.

Don't let them away with their hypocrisy either.

Unionism demands the moral high ground all the way from the outset of the troubles, they were set upon by these fanatical republicans who for no reason started an armed campaign as everything was rosey in the garden up to that point.

The RUC, UDR and British Army were neutral protectors of the peace even when there's evidence to the contrary but challenge them on that and we'll be accused of trying to re-write the history of this shíthole..

Repeat, be proud of our Irishness which manifests itself in a positive way, our language, our sport, our arts, our music, but leave the shíte of bonfires to them.

[Franko]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

It's a false equivalence alright, but take that away from unionism and their media patsies and expose them for what they are.

You could, of course. But don't be fooled that they won't find some other false equivalence. I mean, at least the GAA isn't getting a touch this week.

Yeah, as I said yesterday, it's an ongoing process.

Féile this week, Fleadh last week, Irish language the week before and it'll be the GAA next week.

Don't be fooled.  This is an organised campaign against anything Irish.

Times are a changing.  Stay steadfast.

No lectures from unionism.

It is, but don't make it easy for them by aping their "culture" and allowing them to use false equivalence about one bonfire vrs the dozens of 11th night bonfires.

Don't let them away with their hypocrisy either.

Unionism demands the moral high ground all the way from the outset of the troubles, they were set upon by these fanatical republicans who for no reason started an armed campaign as everything was rosey in the garden up to that point.

The RUC, UDR and British Army were neutral protectors of the peace even when there's evidence to the contrary but challenge them on that and we'll be accused of trying to re-write the history of this shíthole..

Repeat, be proud of our Irishness which manifests itself in a positive way, our language, our sport, our arts, our music, but leave the shíte of bonfires to them.

+1

The Wolfe Tones and a bonfire thrown up by a few wee scumbags from the Creggan are a small price to pay

To not do it just gives succour to the uneducated and unthinking 'one side is as bad as the other' brigade

[screenexile]

Plenty of hypocrisy to go round in this place, that never changes but making it easy for them needs to change and that goes for the Wolfe Tones at the Féile and the bonefire in Derry.

One tiny bonfire in Derry City (which afaik, everybody disagrees with) in comparsion to hundreds every 11th night in the north - with everything irish on top, from politicians' posters, religious statues, gaa posters and much more. 

Yeah, we must talk alright. Ffs.

Well obviously not everybody disagrees with it when there looked to be a few hundred at it.

Haven't heard from SF that they disagreed with it either!!

[general_lee]

When ever ye get round to scaling down ir stopping mimicking "Loyalist" carry on can the first step be to abolish those godawful "republican flute bands"?
They're an insult to our thousands of years of great Irish music heritage.

Absolutely, they're horrendous

[trailer]

Define terrorist.

A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

So the British Army weren't terrorist because their violence and intimidation has the legal backing of the state?

Hello? Trailer??

Hello what?

The IRA are a terrorist organisation who murdered 1000s of people many from their own communities. It was nothing more than a bunch of hard men talking about freeing Ireland but in reality its only aims were to enrich themselves and carry out mass murder. Women, Children, Innocent people it didn't matter.
Other terrorist organisations did the same. The British government waged hell on the people here. But yet peace won out eventually. Men and Women of peace.

Now were talking about a United Ireland but can't even unite here to condemn sicking chanting and pro terrorist songs ffs. It not culture, it's not tradition, it sicking glorification of murder. We need to legislate so that those who engage in it are charged with a hate crime. Stamp it right out.

That's a veeeery long winded way of not answering the question. I'll try again:
You define a terrorist group as one that "uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". Does that mean the British Army was not a terrorist group because it's violence and intimidation enjoyed the legal backing of the state?

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

I have answered the question. If I call the British Army a terrorist organisation or not, does not change that the IRA are a terrorist organisation.

P.s. You remind me of Colm Eastwood who last week also claimed that the IRA killed "thousands". Which is of course, a lie.

Weird hill to die on, but ok.