The Many Faces of US Politics...

Started by Tyrones own, March 20, 2009, 09:29:14 PM

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J70

Quote from: nrico2006 on March 31, 2023, 06:39:51 PM
What did Trump do wrong regarding the porn star? Give her bucks to keep her quiet? Is that a crime?

No. Falsifying business records to hide campaign finance violations is.

His right hand man and fixer already served time for this.

Gmac

NYC locking people up for memes now  wow , if you get mugged or robbed tough but memes that go against the Democrat Party well good bye

Piskin

Trump's time in office was a time of peace & prosperity, just like Clintons term was. Both questionable characters but able Presidents, only fault with Trump was that he was naive in dealing with seasoned political piranha's. The so called good characters like Kennedy & Obama were warmongers.

Captain Obvious

Quote from: Piskin on April 01, 2023, 12:11:35 AM
Trump's time in office was a time of peace & prosperity, just like Clintons term was. Both questionable characters but able Presidents, only fault with Trump was that he was naive in dealing with seasoned political piranha's. The so called good characters like Kennedy & Obama were warmongers.

April 1st joke or lack of research from this newbie?  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-syria-death-toll-campaign-military-operations-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

Gmac

Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2023, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: Piskin on April 01, 2023, 12:11:35 AM
Trump's time in office was a time of peace & prosperity, just like Clintons term was. Both questionable characters but able Presidents, only fault with Trump was that he was naive in dealing with seasoned political piranha's. The so called good characters like Kennedy & Obama were warmongers.

April 1st joke or lack of research from this newbie?  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-syria-death-toll-campaign-military-operations-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
obama to blame for current situation in Ukraine, Libya and Egypt

RedHand88

Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2023, 04:56:23 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2023, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: Piskin on April 01, 2023, 12:11:35 AM
Trump's time in office was a time of peace & prosperity, just like Clintons term was. Both questionable characters but able Presidents, only fault with Trump was that he was naive in dealing with seasoned political piranha's. The so called good characters like Kennedy & Obama were warmongers.

April 1st joke or lack of research from this newbie?  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-syria-death-toll-campaign-military-operations-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
obama to blame for current situation in Ukraine, Libya and Egypt

And he gets a Nobel Peace Prize. Some people just refuse to see it.

Milltown Row2

Surely Trump would sue the shit out of that paper for a false story?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Louther

Can any of the Trump defenders/Republicans/US residents on here, tell what the story is with the strong religious beliefs that the likes of Trump, MTG, etc play on and whose supporters seem to quote at every given chance. "God bless America" "Jesus will judge" everything seems to boil back to God, abortion one of the big themes cause it's against gods word.

Yet they all have very questionable morals - adulterous, suspect financial dealings, guns, intolerance etc. Very little if it seems very religious to me, little forgiveness and lots of hate.

Is the religious side just a comfortable flag to wear? Obviously it is for the like do Trump and MTG as it's a vote getter but for the actually voters, do they buy all that shit and see themselves as Gods children?

J70

Quote from: Gmac on March 31, 2023, 10:58:44 PM
NYC locking people up for memes now  wow , if you get mugged or robbed tough but memes that go against the Democrat Party well good bye

First, it wasn't NY, it was the feds.

Second, he wasn't convicted for going against the Dems, he was convicted for spreading misinformation to get gullible people to vote by text I.e. waste their vote.

But sure that GOP vote misdirection tactic is as old as the hills, so you're just fine with it.

Only thing that annoys you is when conservative and far right thugs are held to account.

J70

Quote from: RedHand88 on April 01, 2023, 07:18:55 AM
Quote from: Gmac on April 01, 2023, 04:56:23 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 01, 2023, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: Piskin on April 01, 2023, 12:11:35 AM
Trump's time in office was a time of peace & prosperity, just like Clintons term was. Both questionable characters but able Presidents, only fault with Trump was that he was naive in dealing with seasoned political piranha's. The so called good characters like Kennedy & Obama were warmongers.

April 1st joke or lack of research from this newbie?  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/donald-trump-syria-death-toll-campaign-military-operations-barack-obama-administration-a7844526.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
obama to blame for current situation in Ukraine, Libya and Egypt

And he gets a Nobel Peace Prize. Some people just refuse to see it.

Refuse to see what?

Even Obama was embarrassed by the peace prize, as he got it basically for his winning, if unprecedented, presidential campaign, not anything he had done that early in his term.

J70

Quote from: Piskin on April 01, 2023, 12:11:35 AM
Trump's time in office was a time of peace & prosperity, just like Clintons term was. Both questionable characters but able Presidents, only fault with Trump was that he was naive in dealing with seasoned political piranha's. The so called good characters like Kennedy & Obama were warmongers.

Whose sock puppet is this?

trileacman

I think in the long run Obama will be remembered as a poor president, i.e. in the worst half if you were to rank them. Probably end up in the Carter/ Truman/ Hoover ranks. That's not to say he is a bad person, just a bad president. Carter was/is a wonderful person but he was a terribly ineffectual president.
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Quote from: Louther on April 01, 2023, 09:42:01 AM
Can any of the Trump defenders/Republicans/US residents on here, tell what the story is with the strong religious beliefs that the likes of Trump, MTG, etc play on and whose supporters seem to quote at every given chance. "God bless America" "Jesus will judge" everything seems to boil back to God, abortion one of the big themes cause it's against gods word.

Yet they all have very questionable morals - adulterous, suspect financial dealings, guns, intolerance etc. Very little if it seems very religious to me, little forgiveness and lots of hate.

Is the religious side just a comfortable flag to wear? Obviously it is for the like do Trump and MTG as it's a vote getter but for the actually voters, do they buy all that shit and see themselves as Gods children?

Having lived here for 30 + years, Ill give it a shot

Its a lot like Ireland up until the 90s where Nationalism and Catholicism were intertwined. You cant be a good Irishman unless a good Catholic.

The outward expression of your faith was all that mattered, but how you treated other people and conducted yourself in private was of secondary importance

Religion and adherence to church teachings were the foundations upon which the nation was built

Its the type of mentality where you could make an annual pilgrimage to Lough Dergh, but say or do nothing if you knew what was going on in a Magdalene Asylum or Mother and Baby Home

It is really a control mechanism

One difference is that these Protestant Denominations do not have a hierarchy....so theres no priest or bishop to be afraid of.  You dont have to go to confession weekly or monthly, so whatever sins you commit  are between you and God

No one is beyond redemption. Everyone can repent and be saved

imtommygunn

It's a bit like the running joke up here... "are you catholic or Protestant" ... "I'm an atheist "... "are you a Protestant atheist or a catholic atheist ". 

It's a joke but quite close to reality... those labels matter to people. In the bigger world it's Christianity vs pick another religion.

J70

Quote from: trileacman on April 01, 2023, 12:50:55 PM
I think in the long run Obama will be remembered as a poor president, i.e. in the worst half if you were to rank them. Probably end up in the Carter/ Truman/ Hoover ranks. That's not to say he is a bad person, just a bad president. Carter was/is a wonderful person but he was a terribly ineffectual president.

I don't think he was bad. Middle of the pack I'd think. He inherited a historically monstrous financial mess. As always, subsequent decades mould thinking as the implications of policies and events from an administration can be better appreciated.

Truman is generally considered a top ten president BTW. Which is amazing considering he went from relative obscurity to leading the Allies to victory in WW2 in no time. International views of Truman will always be tainted by the atomic bombings, but that hasn't really been a controversial subject within the US.

Hoover and Carter well down almost all lists.