The Fine Gael thread

[macdanger2]

So Varadkar dodges the bullet (as if it was ever going to be different).

What was left of the FG mask has slipped badly with this one and the Greens are just an absolute joke.  They'll be wiped out next time round.

Micheal Martin, desperate to cling to power, won't lay a glove on the leader of his traditional enemy.

The sheep in the Dail have dug out their notebooks and are talking about Columba McVeigh.  Heather Humphreys doesn't give a fcuk about Columba McVeigh, or his family, or Breege Quinn, or Tom Oliver, or Austin Stack.  Just names to throw out when backed into a corner.

It really is no better than the cute hoors in the Galway Tent.

And the best part of it all, they think they are being 'progressive'.

I think what Varadkar did was a sackable offence. It doesn't appear as if he gained personally from it but it shows a lack of integrity imo. I'd say this has damaged him in a big way and is the beginning of the end for him

[macdanger2]

Apart from Farradeelin and 6 Co folk there were no comments here.

A certain amount of that probably has to do with not wanting to go down a pointless rabbit hole with one particular poster tbf

[Franko]

I, like I suspect half of FG and all of FF was delighted to see smartarse Varadkar squirming and apologising and taken down a peg ir 2.
Showing 1 crowd of doctors a deal that had been reached with another crowd of doctors didn't exactly bother the General public who live outside the political bubble.
Apart from Farradeelin and 6 Co folk there were no comments here.

A very compliant media no doubt helped in that regard.  I very much doubt that Mary Lou McDonald would have been given a similar pass.

Three questions, if you would oblige me:

1. Do you think he should have resigned?
2. Do you think that FG and FF would have demanded the resignation of a SF minister who did the same?
3. Do you, or Heather Humphreys actually care about the fate of Columba McVeigh, or do you just throw out his name when politically convenient?

[Angelo]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Think you need to learn your Irish history.

The FFG forefathers had plenty of blood on their hands, plenty of sectarian murders, disappeared among them women and children, fathers and husbands murdered in front of their children. But that was justified? Right? for freedom, democracy and equality? Or was it? Did FFG ever have a reconciliation process for the dastardly acts they committed in The War of Independence?

We now have their entitled offspring in parliament, dressed in nice suits doing the bidding of billionaires at the cost of the citizens, overseeing record homeless numbers, a dysfunctional rundown health service, direct provision centres. Everything about FFG is to service the elite and well heeled in society.

The thing about you, living in your bog down in Roscommon is that you never suffered the consequences of being brought up a Catholic in a Protestant state. All you are is a backward, blowhard freestater born into entitlement with a misplaced sense of sanctimony.

[naka]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

jeez Rossfan, you need to know your history before coming out with a statement like that.
the birth of the free state was as  vicious and bloody as the worst of the troubles so the forefathers to the two parties in government have blood on their hand..

would never see myself as a shinner btw.
think their policies are simplistic

[Angelo]

3. Do you, or Heather Humphreys actually care about the fate of Columba McVeigh, or do you just throw out his name when politically convenient?

Given that the FG minister for justice actively thwarted the McAnespie family's bid for justice I think you know the answer.

FG have actively sought to protect justice for many victims of the troubles. We all know they were involved in the coverup of the Dublin Monaghan bombings, the biggest terrorist atrocity to occur in their state. We all know they appointed as head of their police service a chap who was a high ranking official in a disgraced, disbanded sectarian police force. A guy who was involved in shutting down an investigation into the most vicious sectarian murder gang that operated during the troubles.

FG are absolute scum so it shouldn't surprise you that Rossfan aligns himself with such. He is what you'd call a 26 county bigot who looks down upon northern nationalists and belittles their plight.

[Angelo]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

jeez Rossfan, you need to know your history before coming out with a statement like that.
the birth of the free state was as  vicious and bloody as the worst of the troubles so the forefathers to the two parties in government have blood on their hand..

would never see myself as a shinner btw.
think their policies are simplistic

Whether a shinner or not, any northern nationalist should be appalled and disgusted by the mindsets of the establishment parties of the 26 counties.

[ThroughTheLaces]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

[Angelo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunmanway_killings

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fate-of-disappeared-in-war-of-independence-could-yet-be-revealed-39506635.html

You hear a lot about Jean McConville. You never hear much about Maria Lindsay.

[Rossfan]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The "them wans did it too" defence.

Franko if every leading politician had to resign for every mistake/wrongdoing/error if judgement we'd have none left.
Of course FF/FG would demand Marylou's resignation if the roles were reversed.
That's why real people don't pass much heed of the oul playing the game stuff in the Dâil.

[Angelo]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The "them wans did it too" defence.

Franko if every leading politician had to resign for every mistake/wrongdoing/error if judgement we'd have none left.
Of course FF/FG would demand Marylou's resignation if the roles were reversed.
That's why real people don't pass much heed of the oul playing the game stuff in the Dâil.

Yet you call out one side on it.

We can see all you are is a sanctimonious 26 county bigot who is not interested in actually applying your concocted moral standards.

[Franko]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The "them wans did it too" defence.

Franko if every leading politician had to resign for every mistake/wrongdoing/error if judgement we'd have none left.
Of course FF/FG would demand Marylou's resignation if the roles were reversed.
That's why real people don't pass much heed of the oul playing the game stuff in the Dâil.

Heather Humphreys and your defence was "them ones did worse".  Until you were shown some facts regarding your own history.

I believe he should have resigned.  No questions asked.  It's blatant corruption.  He undermined the position of the state he was head of in negotiations.  Then he lied about it.  Then when caught, he had got rid of evidence.  Last night he was busy attacking the publication that broke the story in the Dail.

We also have the matter of the other 'strings' that he had pulled for O'Tuathail.

You dodged question 3 completely.

[ThroughTheLaces]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The "them wans did it too" defence.

Franko if every leading politician had to resign for every mistake/wrongdoing/error if judgement we'd have none left.
Of course FF/FG would demand Marylou's resignation if the roles were reversed.
That's why real people don't pass much heed of the oul playing the game stuff in the Dâil.

It's not a defence. I'm calling you out because you literally said they never did it. As someone already said, if you're going to throw stones, throw them at everybody.

Let me guess, you're not as concerned about what happened then because 'they were different times'?

The holier than thou attitude is getting tiresome.

[trueblue1234]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The "them wans did it too" defence.

Franko if every leading politician had to resign for every mistake/wrongdoing/error if judgement we'd have none left.
Of course FF/FG would demand Marylou's resignation if the roles were reversed.
That's why real people don't pass much heed of the oul playing the game stuff in the Dâil.

Is it any different from the whataboutery you just preformed in the previous page to try and deflect from talking about the issue at hand?

[Angelo]

Did ye Shinners really think that the Government TDs and others would support this motion and bring down the Government?
92 -65 was the vote.
Heather Humphreys or the other 91 may be pathetic but they never abducted a young lad who wouldn't lick some warlord's boots, never took him off to some secret location, never put a bullet in his head, never buried him in unconsecrated ground without access to priest, never left his family for 45 years not finding their loved ones remains.
They never murdered Messrs Oliver, Stack or Quinn.

Your version of our history is seriously distorted.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20225871.html

The "them wans did it too" defence.

Franko if every leading politician had to resign for every mistake/wrongdoing/error if judgement we'd have none left.
Of course FF/FG would demand Marylou's resignation if the roles were reversed.
That's why real people don't pass much heed of the oul playing the game stuff in the Dâil.

Is it any different from the whataboutery you just preformed in the previous page to try and deflect from talking about the issue at hand?

It's not but expect him to run away now.

That's the problem with sanctimony, you might actually be held to account to your moral pontificating and clearly Rossfan has no real moral revulsion about those acts, he just uses them to release his brand of bigotry and will run away when pressed on the double standards. He's not smart enough or brave enough to be able to stand over comments like that.