The Fine Gael thread

Started by Maguire01, October 16, 2012, 08:14:56 PM

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armaghniac

Quote from: bennydorano on November 03, 2020, 09:52:54 PM
Pearse Doherty gave him some grilling, Leo looked as guilty as sin, squirming.

Why is that man not SF Leader????

That man has balls, hence he is not leader, which requires a couple of tits.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Angelo

The mainstream media doing their best to bury this. More interested in an election 4000 miles across the Atlantic despite the fact Varadkar's contention has zero credibility.
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bennydorano

Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
The mainstream media doing their best to bury this. More interested in an election 4000 miles across the Atlantic despite the fact Varadkar's contention has zero credibility.
Definitely appears to be the case. Really stinks.

Angelo

Quote from: bennydorano on November 03, 2020, 10:23:53 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
The mainstream media doing their best to bury this. More interested in an election 4000 miles across the Atlantic despite the fact Varadkar's contention has zero credibility.
Definitely appears to be the case. Really stinks.

It's incredulous the way the government parties are not being called out on this.

The party line is basically he did something wrong but if he says his intentions were good then that's fine. The reality is his story has absolutely zero credibility, it's a clear case of him doing his pal a favour by leaking a confidential government contract to a rival entity.
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Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
The mainstream media doing their best to bury this. More interested in an election 4000 miles across the Atlantic despite the fact Varadkar's contention has zero credibility.

Not sure thats fair. Its been pushed quite hard

Angelo

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2020, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
The mainstream media doing their best to bury this. More interested in an election 4000 miles across the Atlantic despite the fact Varadkar's contention has zero credibility.

Not sure thats fair. Its been pushed quite hard

Not really, headline news on RTE this evening was the US election. Virgin Media kicked off with the US election in their main nightly politics show, RTE had half the show on the US election.

This is a huge matter and they seem more concerned about an election 4000 miles away, it stinks.

The story broke on Saturday morning, on all the main radio shows and TV shows in the state not one show had a gov rep being challenged by an opposition rep until tonight. It took 4 days for the mainstream media to allow the opposition a proper platform to challenge the government.

It stinks to the absolute high heavens. RTE refused to report on the story for about 8/9 hours until Varadkar had realeased a statement on the allegations.
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Rossfan

Quote from: armaghniac on November 03, 2020, 10:07:28 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on November 03, 2020, 09:52:54 PM
Pearse Doherty gave him some grilling, Leo looked as guilty as sin, squirming.

Why is that man not SF Leader????

That man has balls, hence he is not leader, which requires a couple of tits.
And he has the wrong accent.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM


Snapchap

Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:59:37 PM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on November 03, 2020, 10:47:29 PM
Quote from: Angelo on November 03, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
The mainstream media doing their best to bury this. More interested in an election 4000 miles across the Atlantic despite the fact Varadkar's contention has zero credibility.

Not sure thats fair. Its been pushed quite hard

Not really, headline news on RTE this evening was the US election. Virgin Media kicked off with the US election in their main nightly politics show, RTE had half the show on the US election.

This is a huge matter and they seem more concerned about an election 4000 miles away, it stinks.

The story broke on Saturday morning, on all the main radio shows and TV shows in the state not one show had a gov rep being challenged by an opposition rep until tonight. It took 4 days for the mainstream media to allow the opposition a proper platform to challenge the government.

It stinks to the absolute high heavens. RTE refused to report on the story for about 8/9 hours until Varadkar had realeased a statement on the allegations.

Added to that the succession of FG mouthpiece Indo columnists and Newstalk presenters on twitter calling it a storm in a teacup and a witchhunt. Then you have RTÉs subtle use of language (Leo apparently didn't leak the document to his friend, he just "shared it with the NAGP"). Then we had Pat Kenny on Newstalk thinking out loud about how needless it would be to pressure Leo into resignation. Then today, the morning after Leo stood up in the Dáil to face questioning about it, the RTÉ news on Radio 1 seemingly has a blanket ban on any reference to the story. Apprently Tory bankbench MPs feelings on English covid restrictions are more newsworthy.

It's so blatant it's just ridiculous, but then again this is the state that brought us Section 31 and a state media organisation that vociferously resisted attempts to challenge  Section 31 and actually went to court to argue for its right to have its own news output censored by the state.

Snapchap

I see the FF leader has managed to shoehorn the IRA into the debate in his frantic efforts to defend the FG leader from corruption accusations.

Just staggering.

Angelo

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Quote from: Snapchap on November 04, 2020, 01:05:47 PM
I see the FF leader has managed to shoehorn the IRA into the debate in his frantic efforts to defend the FG leader from corruption accusations.

Just staggering.

No doubt the media will do their duty and examine the complete lack of credibility in Vardakar's motives.

I've never seen anything like this backed before.

The government's defence is basically they believe Varadkar because he is a good and honourable person and that's the end of a matter.

He leaked a confidential document to his friend - FACT.
His friend was president of a rival organisation involved in the contract - FACT.
He never bothered to tell anyone else in government, including the minister or the anyone with IMO what he was doing - FACT.
The Gov have consistently told the lie that the document was finalised and that it was in the public domain which was is a complete untruth - FACT.


This is a cut and dry resigning offence but Martin knows if Varadkar goes, the government collapses. It's disgusting cronyism.
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Angelo

The Village are after dropping RTE and the Irish Times in it now. Said they released information to them yesterday before the Dail questions but neither reported on it.

https://villagemagazine.ie/more-info-for-public-consumption-much-more-to-come/

What this information concludes without doubt is that Varadkar's pal's primary motivation was to damage the IMO with the confidential contract leaked by his friend.
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Itchy

And some would tell you that the Irish media is not a cost cartel with the established parties of FF and FG. Of course anyone that thinks that is an idiot.

Angelo

Varadkar handwrites - "subject to changes/amendments" on the front of the document.

He sends a text message to his friend saying "there may still be some changes, don't take it as gospel" after he sends it out.

His defence now is that it didn't matter as the document was finalised when he sent it out. It's a complete lie and contradiction but the government are sticking their fingers in their ears and saying if Varadkar says he did it with good intentions then they are not interested in hearing the facts or evidence.

And the media? Even the UK press are covering it more than them!

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Angelo

So it now turns out that Varadkar has deleted his text messages with his friend who requested the documentation.

Interesting.

This doesn't seem like its going to go away as much as the media want it to.

The Village Magazine are to be commended here as although a fringe media outlet, they seem to be only ones willing to do some proper investigative journalism here on a national scandal.
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