The Fine Gael thread

[foxcommander]

Phoenix nights alright!!

Here's Dara Murphy on Vincent Browne. He's right you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEcUBXI4ZX8

[Declan]

Regina Doherty is in a battle with SF for the last seat in Meath East so expect anything to happen in terms of messaging over the last few days from both sides

[haranguerer]

Heard her remarks on the last word. What a tr**p. Also notable that on the last word they said they were 'both being a bit disingenuous there' re her comments, and spent the rest of the time talking about the supposed death threat to the tr**p

[Farrandeelin]

Heard her remarks on the last word. What a tr**p. Also notable that on the last word they said they were 'both being a bit disingenuous there' re her comments, and spent the rest of the time talking about the supposed death threat to the tr**p

Whose remarks?

[foxcommander]

and this is why Fine Gael want to recruit more gardai

[Harold Disgracey]

So much for Leo Varadkar coming across as a decent individual.

https://twitter.com/campaignforleo/status/702523651082551298

[deiseach]

Drawing the fury of Michael Finucance, no less. Leo should have Desmond de Silva conduct a review of his tweets.

[Farrandeelin]

Varadkar getting a far too easy ride as health minister in my opinion.

[foxcommander]

Drawing the fury of Michael Finucance, no less. Leo should have Desmond de Silva conduct a review of his tweets.

For the sake of a sly dig that posting will follow him throughout his career. Very stupid. I thought he would have been above it.

[mikehunt]

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/03/01/spotlight-falls-on-noonan/

It's a disgrace that State owned assets are being sold at massive discounts while the country's public services are in the sh!t. Homelessness and patients on trollies at an all time high. That's why these new taxes are needed, not because of the Troika but because the rich need bailing out. Gullible clowns then sneer at people who rightly protest at this and refuse to pay the Water Tax. It's only a pity this came out yesterday. Criminal cases likely to be broughT in the UK and US but only a commission of inquiry set up here.

[armaghniac]

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/03/01/spotlight-falls-on-noonan/

It's a disgrace that State owned assets are being sold at massive discounts while the country's public services are in the sh!t.

Are State assets being sold at massive discounts? The are being sold at a discount on what someone said they were worth in 2008, but my house is not worth what it was in 2008 and I'm sure these properties are the same.

The real disgrace is that people prefer to campaign to refuse to pay for services than to have proper ones.

[mikehunt]

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/03/01/spotlight-falls-on-noonan/

It's a disgrace that State owned assets are being sold at massive discounts while the country's public services are in the sh!t.

Are State assets being sold at massive discounts? The are being sold at a discount on what someone said they were worth in 2008, but my house is not worth what it was in 2008 and I'm sure these properties are the same.

The real disgrace is that people prefer to campaign to refuse to pay for services than to have proper ones.

Incorrect, they were sold well below Market Value, if you take the time to read the article it will explain it for you.

[armaghniac]

Incorrect, they were sold well below Market Value, if you take the time to read the article it will explain it for you.

Perhaps you would like to point out where it says that?
Robbo wanted the properties sold for £1 billion to PIMCO, NAMA wanted them sold on the open market and got £1.3 billion. If they were worth more presumably someone would have bid more for them.

[mikehunt]

Incorrect, they were sold well below Market Value, if you take the time to read the article it will explain it for you.

Perhaps you would like to point out where it says that?
Robbo wanted the properties sold for £1 billion to PIMCO, NAMA wanted them sold on the open market and got £1.3 billion. If they were worth more presumably someone would have bid more for them.

How many are in a position to make bids for that kind of money? If you take the time to read the article properly it clearly implies that a better price could have been sought. One property sold by Nama in 2012 on Mount Street for 27m was sold on for 42m less than 2 years later. If you believe there is nothing improper going on then why are there criminal charges in the UK and the US but not in Ireland where the actual owners of the assess were based? Can you answer that? Can you answer why NAMA refused to go to Stormont to answer questions on the sale?

[armaghniac]

How many are in a position to make bids for that kind of money? If you take the time to read the article properly it clearly implies that a better price could have been sought. One property sold by Nama in 2012 on Mount Street for 27m was sold on for 42m less than 2 years later. If you believe there is nothing improper going on then why are there criminal charges in the UK and the US but not in Ireland where the actual owners of the assess were based? Can you answer that? Can you answer why NAMA refused to go to Stormont to answer questions on the sale?

I am not a property expert, perhaps the NI properties would have fetched more if broken into smaller lots, perhaps not. But the fact that they were not does not necessarily imply impropriety. Likewise there may be case that NAMA should hold on to properties longer, rather than trying to get their money, but in 2012 money was short and money now may have seemed preferable, this not necessarily imply impropriety. As far as I can see the criminality took place between persons in NI and companies in the US, so that is where the charges should be.