The Fine Gael thread

[Maguire01]

Magure is right. Capital costs can include salaries if they are booked against a capital project.

Not the salaries of nurses, doctors and admin staff which is what we are talking about. These are operating costs. Capital investment expenses do not include run of the mill salaries. We are not talking about Capital Investment. We are talking about day to day salaries which are operating expenses.

Doctors and nurses costs unlikely to be capitalised, but admin/support staff definitely could be, depending on what they were doing. IT staff, or estates management teams could well have their salaries capitalised if they were working on capital projects.

[Rossfan]

The CSO reckon there are 4.6 million people living in this State.
30,000 or 80,000 took part in an Ogle inspired march and he and others were roaring and shouting about how much support they had.
Some of them claimed it was the biggest protest ever
There were around 900,000 in the PAYE protests back in the late 70s.
Saw on the News tonight they say 1m of the 1.5m eligible public water supplied houses had registered.

The vast majority of the PPI, plain people of Ireland, either can'tor won't voluntarily pay this tax. 1m households signed up would say otherwise
The main reason for this resistance is a financial one. People just don't have enough to get by as it is. Are you suggesting that the majority of Irish households cant pay €3 per week??
Could anyone seriously expect the thousands of homeowners and their families to pay when they face eviction from their homes?
Here's a link to chew on.
7-000[/b]-plus-homes-1.2131160?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fsocial-affairs%2Fbanks-attempt-to-repossess-7-000-plus-homes-1.2131160%3Futm_source%3Dlunchtime-digest%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Ddigests]Banks attempt to repossess 7,000-plus homes
Mortgage holders' spokesman warns that repossessions will reach 25,000 this year
According to the same article there are close on 38,000 house owners in arrears of over 720 days.
.Sad statistic and an awful way to be ...but that is 70,000 out of 2m households

Anyone who thinks the PPI are being unpatriotic by refusing to pay charges they can't afford should really get up off his arse and go take a look at the real world.
The vast majority of the "PPI" can well afford to pay €3 per week. This is one of the richest Countries in the world.

[foxcommander]

The CSO reckon there are 4.6 million people living in this State.
30,000 or 80,000 took part in an Ogle inspired march and he and others were roaring and shouting about how much support they had.
Some of them claimed it was the biggest protest ever
There were around 900,000 in the PAYE protests back in the late 70s.
Saw on the News tonight they say 1m of the 1.5m eligible public water supplied houses had registered.

The vast majority of the PPI, plain people of Ireland, either can'tor won't voluntarily pay this tax. 1m households signed up would say otherwise
The main reason for this resistance is a financial one. People just don't have enough to get by as it is. Are you suggesting that the majority of Irish households cant pay €3 per week??
Could anyone seriously expect the thousands of homeowners and their families to pay when they face eviction from their homes?
Here's a link to chew on.
7-000[/b]-plus-homes-1.2131160?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fsocial-affairs%2Fbanks-attempt-to-repossess-7-000-plus-homes-1.2131160%3Futm_source%3Dlunchtime-digest%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Ddigests]Banks attempt to repossess 7,000-plus homes
Mortgage holders' spokesman warns that repossessions will reach 25,000 this year
According to the same article there are close on 38,000 house owners in arrears of over 720 days.
.Sad statistic and an awful way to be ...but that is 70,000 out of 2m households

Anyone who thinks the PPI are being unpatriotic by refusing to pay charges they can't afford should really get up off his arse and go take a look at the real world.
The vast majority of the "PPI" can well afford to pay €3 per week. This is one of the richest Countries in the world.

€3 per week for how long? Is there any guarantee this will always remain constant?
One of the places I've lived in averaged about €5 per day on water charges for a household.

You don't seem to get that once charges are accepted by the general population then they will be open to abuse by the company running it. You'll see that initial figure rise dramatically over time.

[Lar Naparka]

The CSO reckon there are 4.6 million people living in this State.
30,000 or 80,000 took part in an Ogle inspired march and he and others were roaring and shouting about how much support they had.
Some of them claimed it was the biggest protest ever
There were around 900,000 in the PAYE protests back in the late 70s.
Saw on the News tonight they say 1m of the 1.5m eligible public water supplied houses had registered.

The vast majority of the PPI, plain people of Ireland, either can'tor won't voluntarily pay this tax. 1m households signed up would say otherwise
The main reason for this resistance is a financial one. People just don't have enough to get by as it is. Are you suggesting that the majority of Irish households cant pay €3 per week??
Could anyone seriously expect the thousands of homeowners and their families to pay when they face eviction from their homes?
Here's a link to chew on.
7-000[/b]-plus-homes-1.2131160?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fsocial-affairs%2Fbanks-attempt-to-repossess-7-000-plus-homes-1.2131160%3Futm_source%3Dlunchtime-digest%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Ddigests]Banks attempt to repossess 7,000-plus homes
Mortgage holders' spokesman warns that repossessions will reach 25,000 this year
According to the same article there are close on 38,000 house owners in arrears of over 720 days.
.Sad statistic and an awful way to be ...but that is 70,000 out of 2m households

Anyone who thinks the PPI are being unpatriotic by refusing to pay charges they can't afford should really get up off his arse and go take a look at the real world.
The vast majority of the "PPI" can well afford to pay €3 per week. This is one of the richest Countries in the world.

Geez, Ross you never fail to come up with something new! But I'm struggling to follow your logic in places, if you know what I mean.
You've already stated that 66% of Households have signed up for the new tax, which would mean we have 1.5m households in the country. But further on you state "Sad statistic and an awful way to be ...but that is 70,000 out of 2m households."

Where did the extra .5m appear from? Come to think of it, where did the 70,000 come from either? What about the number who were in difficulties for periods less than 720 days?
No offence to you, me good friend but to state something such as.."Sad statistic and an awful way to be ...but that is 70,000 out of 2m households"  is a little biteen disingenuous because the number of houses that are mortgaged are considerably less than 2m. The percentage of distressed mortgage holders is considerably higher than you believe.
Don't want to be too hard on you but your first statement is an unwarranted assumption,
1m households signed up would say otherwise
Are you seriously suggesting than every single one of the who signed up did so because they felt morally obliged to do so?
If that's the case, how come it took so long to get the numbers up to this level? Did you see any signs of people tripping over themselves n their rush to sign on the proverbial dotted line?
The vast majority of the "PPI" can well afford to pay €3 per week. This is one of the richest Countries in the world.
Two statements there that you've made no effort to back up.
I'm told the USA is the richest country in the world but 20% of the people hold 80% of the wealth.
Is the wealth in this county distributed equally or indeed equitably?

[Rossfan]

1.5m who have a public taxpayer funded water supply and then there are circa half million on group schemes or wells or ha e no piped water.
Simple.

[Lar Naparka]

1.5m who have a public taxpayer funded water supply and then there are circa half million on group schemes or wells or ha e no piped water.
Simple.

Fair play Ross, that clears that issue up, but don't forget the other half dozen or so, won't you?

[foxcommander]

While the government are now going to blanket bill everyone and their dog the following comes from RTE (state sponsored mouthpiece) ....

"Only last week the Minister signed a statutory order enabling Irish Water to verify customer addresses with An Post and housing bodies that supply Social Housing.

It can also get information to develop its household database from Local authorities, the Private Residential Tenancies Board, the Property Services Regulatory Authority, the Local Government Management Agency, the Revenue Commissioners, and the Minister for Social Protection. "

Statutory order to hand over people addresses to a third party?
Anyone know how legal it is to hand over information from revenue commissioners to a third party.

Something seriously wrong with this. Why don't they just microchip us now.

[Rossfan]

1.5m who have a public taxpayer funded water supply and then there are circa half million on group schemes or wells or ha e no piped water.
Simple.

Fair play Ross, that clears that issue up, but don't forget the other half dozen or so, won't you?

What were they?
You saying that people don't willingly pay taxes?
That some unknown people shouldn't be saying that there's a moral obligation on people to pay towards their subsidised public water supply?
That people in mortgage arrears shouldn't pay towards their subsidised etc?
If the poor devils in mortgage trouble had only a €3 a week water bill to worry about they'd be delighted.

Time the Govt ( using taxpayer's money of course  ) stepped in to sort out people in mortgage trouble with their only house i.e the one they live in.
Instead of cutting the top rate of tax for well heeled FG voters - how about buying those troubled houses from the Banks/Bldg Societies at current market value and rent it to the occupiers as Social Housing.
It would keep the people in their house, get rid of a load of trouble for the Bank/BS, leave a few € in the pockets of the occupiers and leave the Public purse with an asset.

[Lar Naparka]

1.5m who have a public taxpayer funded water supply and then there are circa half million on group schemes or wells or ha e no piped water.
Simple.

Fair play Ross, that clears that issue up, but don't forget the other half dozen or so, won't you?

What were they?
You saying that people don't willingly pay taxes?
That some unknown people shouldn't be saying that there's a moral obligation on people to pay towards their subsidised public water supply?
That people in mortgage arrears shouldn't pay towards their subsidised etc?
If the poor devils in mortgage trouble had only a €3 a week water bill to worry about they'd be delighted.

Time the Govt ( using taxpayer's money of course  ) stepped in to sort out people in mortgage trouble with their only house i.e the one they live in.
Instead of cutting the top rate of tax for well heeled FG voters - how about buying those troubled houses from the Banks/Bldg Societies at current market value and rent it to the occupiers as Social Housing.
It would keep the people in their house, get rid of a load of trouble for the Bank/BS, leave a few € in the pockets of the occupiers and leave the Public purse with an asset.

That's the most sensible idea I've heard in a long time. Fair play Ross, you get it right sometimes!

[Rossfan]

If I was an arrogant so and so instead of a meek shy modest Rosman I'd say  I get right nearly always

[Lar Naparka]

If I was an arrogant so and so instead of a meek shy modest Rosman I'd say  I get right nearly always

Except for Ballagh. Maigheo go deo! Yeeehaw!

[Rossfan]

Ballagh GAA have got it spectacularly wrong for 116 years
The fools, the fools, the fools......

[foxcommander]

There are no depths the labour party and FG won't sink to now. Accusing RTE of bias? Surely not

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0325/689771-irish-water-rte/



Now if you think that's unbelievable the comment from this eejit Catherine Byrne TD takes the cake.

"She spoke of the constituents who want to pay and cited the example of elderly people in her constituency who have said they want to pay the charge."

Yes of course they do. They can't wait to. and to quote Wayne's World - "monkeys might fly out of my butt"

[Rossfan]

More bad news for Hunt, Fox, Lynch etc -I'm hearing FG up 5 and Lab up 1 in latest poll.

[mikehunt]

that gravy train gonna keep on rollin, strap in tight Ross, wouldn't want u falling off.