The Fine Gael thread

[mikehunt]

These great men died so that the Irish people could have their own democratic government, not so that people going about their business would be intimidated by yobs opposing that government.

yeah true for you, i'd imagine these great men would be 100% behind Edna and Dennis on this one. now if we could only reincarnate O Higgins, he'd sort these protestors out.

[armaghniac]

These great men died so that the Irish people could have their own democratic government, not so that people going about their business would be intimidated by yobs opposing that government.

yeah true for you, i'd imagine these great men would be 100% behind Edna and Dennis on this one. now if we could only reincarnate O Higgins, he'd sort these protestors out.

This water thing is a minor charge, 50c a day for people who weren't already paying for water, if people don't like it they can vote for a government who will raise the revenue some other way. This kind of language about the state robbing its citizens blind implies that the government is not elected by the citizens. It is elected by citizens, most of whom realise that things have to be paid for, but some of whom march about disrupting traffic so that someone else will pay for their water.

[mikehunt]

These great men died so that the Irish people could have their own democratic government, not so that people going about their business would be intimidated by yobs opposing that government.

yeah true for you, i'd imagine these great men would be 100% behind Edna and Dennis on this one. now if we could only reincarnate O Higgins, he'd sort these protestors out.

This water thing is a minor charge, 50c a day for people who weren't already paying for water, if people don't like it they can vote for a government who will raise the revenue some other way. This kind of language about the state robbing its citizens blind implies that the government is not elected by the citizens. It is elected by citizens, most of whom realise that things have to be paid for, but some of whom march about disrupting traffic so that someone else will pay for their water.

ure lucky that a little bit of traffic disruption is all u have to worry about. some people can't afford any more taxes but I'm alright Jack so that's all that matters.

[foxcommander]

50c a day

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

some of you lot don't remember the bad old days in 80's ireland when these sorts of margins meant the difference in having something to eat or not.
Child hunger in ireland getting back to those levels. But no...we're all far too sophisticated these days to believe it happens.

2016 - a hundred years of shame of what's become of the republic.

[gallsman]

50c a day

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

some of you lot don't remember the bad old days in 80's ireland when these sorts of margins meant the difference in having something to eat or not.
Child hunger in ireland getting back to those levels. But no...we're all far too sophisticated these days to believe it happens.

2016 - a hundred years of shame of what's become of the republic.

I'd simply love to see you back that up with something factual other than mindless rhetoric.

[foxcommander]

50c a day

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

some of you lot don't remember the bad old days in 80's ireland when these sorts of margins meant the difference in having something to eat or not.
Child hunger in ireland getting back to those levels. But no...we're all far too sophisticated these days to believe it happens.

2016 - a hundred years of shame of what's become of the republic.

I'd simply love to see you back that up with something factual other than mindless rhetoric.

For a fella who seems to know a lot you I'm surprised you've missed this. Have a little read while you drink your frappachino

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/more-children-arriving-in-school-hungry-survey-finds-1.1906798

[macdanger2]

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

It's a semi-state body, not a corporation.

mikehunt would prefer if it were prviatised as a corporation though - something the two of you might want to discuss when ye're out marching tomorrow

[mikehunt]

50c a day

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

some of you lot don't remember the bad old days in 80's ireland when these sorts of margins meant the difference in having something to eat or not.
Child hunger in ireland getting back to those levels. But no...we're all far too sophisticated these days to believe it happens.

2016 - a hundred years of shame of what's become of the republic.

I'd simply love to see you back that up with something factual other than mindless rhetoric.

link to mindless rhetoric below

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-child-poverty-ranked-near-bottom-after-recession-increase-1.1979258

[Rossfan]

These great men died so that the Irish people could have their own democratic government, not so that people going about their business would be intimidated by yobs opposing that government.

yeah true for you, i'd imagine these great men would be 100% behind Edna and Dennis on this one. now if we could only reincarnate O Higgins, he'd sort these protestors out.

This water thing is a minor charge, 50c a day for people who weren't already paying for water, if people don't like it they can vote for a government who will raise the revenue some other way. This kind of language about the state robbing its citizens blind implies that the government is not elected by the citizens. It is elected by citizens, most of whom realise that things have to be paid for, but some of whom march about disrupting traffic so that someone else will pay for their water.

When the likes of Mike/Fox (are they the same person) and the loolahs start protesting about the fact that I and hundreds of thousands of other rural dwellers have had to pay for our water all the time yet had to pay the same tax rates as the cossetted town/city dwellers we were subsidising I'll take their protests seriously.
We also subsidise public transport in those areas but have none ourselves.
Where were they when VAT was increased by 2 percentage points which had a lot more effect on poor people than €3 a week for a good clean water supply?
Where were they when Carers for all the disabled and vulnerable were being cut?
Sicken my arse the lot of them especially the smoked salmon South Dublin private school Socialists and of course the "Cuts in the 6 Cos but  run the 26 Cos on magic money" Shinners.
Most of the latter two sets of so and sos never did a day's real work in their lives but continue to spout nonsense about working people and how much they're doing for them.

[foxcommander]

It's a semi-state body, not a corporation.

That's the interim step..you think that's where ownership will end up?

[macdanger2]

It's a semi-state body, not a corporation.

That's the interim step..you think that's where ownership will end up?

That's where your buddy mike wants it to end up!!

For the record, no I don't think it will - the network will remain in state ownership in the same way the gas and electricity networks have.

[gallsman]

50c a day

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

some of you lot don't remember the bad old days in 80's ireland when these sorts of margins meant the difference in having something to eat or not.
Child hunger in ireland getting back to those levels. But no...we're all far too sophisticated these days to believe it happens.

2016 - a hundred years of shame of what's become of the republic.

I'd simply love to see you back that up with something factual other than mindless rhetoric.

For a fella who seems to know a lot you I'm surprised you've missed this. Have a little read while you drink your frappachino

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/more-children-arriving-in-school-hungry-survey-finds-1.1906798

Fair enough - hadn't seen it. I'd question the validity of the sample size and your assertion that hunger levels are back on par with the 80s, but will happily acknowledge you had something to back up your assertions. For once 

[lynchbhoy]

50c a day

and where will it end? You lot can't see past the end of your nose.
When families are being charged through the roof by these corporations for water and can't afford it then what happens next?

some of you lot don't remember the bad old days in 80's ireland when these sorts of margins meant the difference in having something to eat or not.
Child hunger in ireland getting back to those levels. But no...we're all far too sophisticated these days to believe it happens.

2016 - a hundred years of shame of what's become of the republic.

I'd simply love to see you back that up with something factual other than mindless rhetoric.

actually im fairly sure there have been reports published recently where child hunger and child poverty have reached double digits in percentage
I don't have any links - but google it and im sure you will find them

[mikehunt]

These great men died so that the Irish people could have their own democratic government, not so that people going about their business would be intimidated by yobs opposing that government.

yeah true for you, i'd imagine these great men would be 100% behind Edna and Dennis on this one. now if we could only reincarnate O Higgins, he'd sort these protestors out.

This water thing is a minor charge, 50c a day for people who weren't already paying for water, if people don't like it they can vote for a government who will raise the revenue some other way. This kind of language about the state robbing its citizens blind implies that the government is not elected by the citizens. It is elected by citizens, most of whom realise that things have to be paid for, but some of whom march about disrupting traffic so that someone else will pay for their water.

When the likes of Mike/Fox (are they the same person) and the loolahs start protesting about the fact that I and hundreds of thousands of other rural dwellers have had to pay for our water all the time yet had to pay the same tax rates as the cossetted town/city dwellers we were subsidising I'll take their protests seriously.
We also subsidise public transport in those areas but have none ourselves.
Where were they when VAT was increased by 2 percentage points which had a lot more effect on poor people than €3 a week for a good clean water supply?
Where were they when Carers for all the disabled and vulnerable were being cut?
Sicken my arse the lot of them especially the smoked salmon South Dublin private school Socialists and of course the "Cuts in the 6 Cos but  run the 26 Cos on magic money" Shinners.
Most of the latter two sets of so and sos never did a day's real work in their lives but continue to spout nonsense about working people and how much they're doing for them.

You will find that the hundred thousand thugs protesting were not just protesting about water charges. Water Charges was the final straw for these thugs and won't pay brigade. 80% of total health expenditure is spent on salaries yet none of this could be tackled. No middle mgt personnel were cut. O Reilly therefore only had 20% to play with. Public sector pay was placed ahead of the sick. Your ire should be sparedfor those that made this cowardly decision. There is no need for all these to administer the health service. duplication and inefficiency is rife. What do the govt do? Implement the exact same strategy for Irish Water. You're ok with this cos "i already pay for my water".   

[foxcommander]

It's a semi-state body, not a corporation.

That's the interim step..you think that's where ownership will end up?

That's where your buddy mike wants it to end up!!

For the record, no I don't think it will - the network will remain in state ownership in the same way the gas and electricity networks have.

All i see is underhand strategies including dodgy chairmen, hush-hush subcontracts to favoured businessmen and the usual host of stroke politicians waiting to get their snouts in the trough or help get their buddies in there. The water issue is secondary. Can you trust them to run this right once they get the green light? Prices will rise as incompetence grows and bonuses are required...