The Fine Gael thread

[Rossfan]

Disgraceful thuggery let loose on working people by so called "socialists".
Nazis more like.

[foxcommander]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

[muppet]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

Yes but sadly that is our only choice.

[Maguire01]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

So, present us with an alternative government.

[foxcommander]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

So, present us with an alternative government.

Maybe the SDLP want to come down and have a go? It's not like they are doing anything else

[Maguire01]

Wait and see how much we will pay for water in a few years time. Think they plan to spend 900m a year but current revenue is 300m, could be wrong on that but there is a shortfall and once the fixed charge time lapses we're going to pay for this shambles.

Of course there's a shortfall. Have you been sleeping? The regulator agreed charges that were required to match the cost of providing the service and undertaking the investment, people got excited, and the government decided to cap the charges for a period. Once that period is over, the charges will increase to cover the full cost. That's how a self-funding utility works.

Penalties for unsafe water, open it up to competition to keep prices down, regulator to be able to intervene if prices get too high.

Seriously, I ask you again, how are you going to open the water market to competition? You think you'll have your water with Company A and your neighbour with Company B? How exactly does that model work?

Finally, it is possible for the state to gain by way of getting a share of the profits.

If the government want a deal to take a slice of the profits, then they'll get a lower price for selling it in the first place.

[Maguire01]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

So, present us with an alternative government.

Maybe the SDLP want to come down and have a go? It's not like they are doing anything else

And what about a serious suggestion? Or are you admitting there's no viable alternative?

[Maguire01]

I wouldn't be a fan of Murphy and would never vote for him however he was elected on the back of the Water Charges. He is doing what the people asked him to do unlike the majority of politicians. Their ideas for the economy are a bit far fetched but Joe Higgins does make some fair points on how the money could be raised. Just because they can talk nonsense some of the time doesn't mean they don't have good ideas.

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

[Maguire01]

I watched the FG Ard-Fheis...

I nearly choked when he rolled out the 5 point plan again.

Telling the same lies again in the hope that people will vote them back in. Everything in that speech is geared towards re-election of their party.

Imagine that! Imagine a party wanting to be re-elected! It's a disgrace!

[armaghniac]

Adams was on the radio today and I'd say the Brits got more useful information from him than the interviewer did. He was asked if he wanted to be Taoiseach, a reasonable question for a party that had topped a poll and was usually second. He was all coy and waffled about the people having their voice and whatnot. SF are anti-austerity, pro public service, pro business party and they would work with those that shared that agenda. But he wouldn't do like Labour and support a "right wing"government, so figure out who will be Taoiseach there.

FG and Labour now have the fastest growing economy in Europe, if they had a shred of principle their re-election would be a formality, instead the voters are wondering how to get rid of them without ending with loolahs instead.

[foxcommander]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

So, present us with an alternative government.

Maybe the SDLP want to come down and have a go? It's not like they are doing anything else

And what about a serious suggestion? Or are you admitting there's no viable alternative?

The viable alternatives are anyone who isn't already in government.

[foxcommander]

FG and Labour now have the fastest growing economy in Europe

Yet hospitals are stacked with people on trolleys and child poverty has doubled since 2008

What a success! I'm so proud to be irish.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/government-failed-to-protect-irelands-children-from-poverty-childrens-rights-alliance-31015719.html

[Maguire01]

I agree to a point, but to put FG in again would send the wrong message. At times they have been competent and many other times they have been poor. But to reward them with another 5 years is not a good idea no matter which way you look at it. This is one of the big mistakes we made with FF.

But unless FF reach some reasonable size, there is no credible alternative government.

I know. It is a terrible state of affairs tbh.

If FG had stuck to their 5 point plan and actually introduced those measures they would have the backing of the people and would have been a lock on retaining office.
While people would be sympathetic to the fact that implementing healthcare reform and growing the economy are challenging areas the point on the plan referring to stopping cronyism and reforming how government works is certainly achievable if they had tackled it.
All we see is that nothing has changed. If your leaders don't tighten their belts at the same time they ask you to do the same how couldn't you be angry? Especially when people like Mr Rabbitte openly admits that he'll tell any sort of lies to get elected and ignores why they got voted in to office in the first place

Fianna Fail had years on the gravy train and kept it rolling as long as they could. Some of them are still getting their cut to this day. Their new batch or representatives are chomping at the bit to get on board to feather their nests.

So, present us with an alternative government.

Maybe the SDLP want to come down and have a go? It's not like they are doing anything else

And what about a serious suggestion? Or are you admitting there's no viable alternative?

The viable alternatives are anyone who isn't already in government.

No, they're just alternatives.

[muppet]

FG and Labour now have the fastest growing economy in Europe

Yet hospitals are stacked with people on trolleys and child poverty has doubled since 2008

What a success! I'm so proud to be irish.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/government-failed-to-protect-irelands-children-from-poverty-childrens-rights-alliance-31015719.html

Wow. They gave the Government two grade As and an overall grade C. I wouldn't be that generous.

But Foxy I am guessing you didn't read the article to the end. 

[foxcommander]

FG and Labour now have the fastest growing economy in Europe

Yet hospitals are stacked with people on trolleys and child poverty has doubled since 2008

What a success! I'm so proud to be irish.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/government-failed-to-protect-irelands-children-from-poverty-childrens-rights-alliance-31015719.html

Wow. They gave the Government two grade As and an overall grade C. I wouldn't be that generous.

But Foxy I am guessing you didn't read the article to the end. 

Boosting literacy has f all to do with FG. Putting money into new schools however is welcome.
If you think a overall C rating is something to boast about then go ahead. The biggest non-fictional stat is the one to focus on.