The Fine Gael thread

[muppet]

You really should be taking a good look at yourself when even Olivia Mitchell, even when she's making less sense than usual, makes more sense than you.

Hint: Policy wasn't even mentioned in that clip.
Hint eile: Check out the difference between disagreeing with policy and street yobbery.

A bit too thick to read between the lines eh? Or maybe you just agree with Ms Mitchell.
The government policy, if you are too thick or ignorant to realise it, is to continually repeat the same words over and over again in relation to certain topics within the media. It's like they've been to some crappy one-day seminar with the spin doctors on language usage and now they're playing buzzword bingo.

Ms Mitchell mentioned the word "terrorists" to describe anyone who dares protest and raise their voice. Not clear enough?
Now justify her use of language.

Is having the truffle hunters from Templemore willing to raid peoples homes at 6am to arrest folk and detain them for questioning for hours at a time with no evidence ok?
I believe that was called internment in the 70's.

I don't think you are remotely real, but anyway, I'll bite.

That clip is 1 minute 36 seconds long.

If you tell me the number of times she used the word "terrorists", you know the word you claim she used and even put in inverted commas so we wouldn't miss it, then I promise we will all explain what she meant.

If however when you check the recording and discover that she never called them "terrorists", nor even used that word, then why don't you apologise to Ms Mitchell and the rest of us for making things up?

[Rossfan]

These left wing hypocrites attacking working people doing their jobs putting water metres in public footpaths.
An alliance of upper class smoked salmon so called socialists with the pay nothing thug brigade.

[mikehunt]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water. Of the people that will pay twice I'd imagine a lot would be public/civil servants, which is the equivalent of asking Turkey's to vote on banning Christmas. They were always going to sign up. They will get it back in a form of rebate in their inflated salaries and defined benefit pensions.

However I am worried about the rumours of the Blueshirts introducing a new Motor Tax which by all accounts will be paid alongside the existing one. It will be based on the valuation of your car. Everyone will have to pay. Those that don't own a car will be charged the minimum fee of €200. The higher the value of the car the less tax you have to pay.

When asked about the rationale behind this, a spokesman explained that those who drive the big cars pay significant amounts on fuel and thus contribute already. When it was put to him that it was possible that those who don't own a car due to affordability issues would have to pay more than someone who owns a Maserati the spokesman responded "Absolutely, it is Fine Gale policy to fleece those that cannot afford it and transfer this non-existent wealth to the better off". The new tax will be called For Upkeep of Carbon and Kerosene Users or the FUCKU Tax. Phil Hogan has been approached to oversee the implementation.   

[muppet]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water. Of the people that will pay twice I'd imagine a lot would be public/civil servants, which is the equivalent of asking Turkey's to vote on banning Christmas. They were always going to sign up. They will get it back in a form of rebate in their inflated salaries and defined benefit pensions.

However I am worried about the rumours of the Blueshirts introducing a new Motor Tax which by all accounts will be paid alongside the existing one. It will be based on the valuation of your car. Everyone will have to pay. Those that don't own a car will be charged the minimum fee of €200. The higher the value of the car the less tax you have to pay.

When asked about the rationale behind this, a spokesman explained that those who drive the big cars pay significant amounts on fuel and thus contribute already. When it was put to him that it was possible that those who don't own a car due to affordability issues would have to pay more than someone who owns a Maserati the spokesman responded "Absolutely, it is Fine Gale policy to fleece those that cannot afford it and transfer this non-existent wealth to the better off". The new tax will be called For Upkeep of Carbon and Kerosene Users or the FUCKU Tax. Phil Hogan has been approached to oversee the implementation.

We pay up to 5 taxes on cars already.

Road Tax
Fuel Excise Duty
Fuel VAT
VRT in new registrations
VAT on transactions involving dealers

[macdanger2]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

[mikehunt]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Irish Water.

[mikehunt]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Irish Water.

[foxcommander]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Already paying for them via road tax?

[muppet]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Already paying for them via road tax?

You only discovered this a couple of weeks ago. Remember you were outraged. 

But you were against it already, so this couldn't be your reason for being against it.   

[mikehunt]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

The fact that Dennis O Brien bought the company that installed the water meters. A company he bought off IBRC despite it being one of the lowest offers. This company were then awarded the contract to install the meters. Said meters are now redundant. Result =  Tax payers are out of money but DOB wins. Let me know if you want me to explain historic links between FG, DOB, state contracts and cost to the taxpayer.

People here will have you believe this is about water infrastructure. None so blind as those that will not see.

[Rossfan]

Loads of people outside the cosseted suburbs already pay "twice" for water.
I see Ogle is now trying to organise a lefty alliance .
I presume they'll fix everything and nobody will have to pay anything
I've added that "mikehunt" loolah to my ignore list

[muppet]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

The fact that Dennis O Brien bought the company that installed the water meters. A company he bought off IBRC despite it being one of the lowest offers. This company were then awarded the contract to install the meters. Said meters are now redundant. Result =  Tax payers are out of money but DOB wins. Let me know if you want me to explain historic links between FG, DOB, state contracts and cost to the taxpayer.

People here will have you believe this is about water infrastructure. None so blind as those that will not see.

Whatever about O'Brien's involvement, the water metres made sense. But the populist hysteria of the lunatic fringe, followed by the lack of vertebrae of the Government led us this farcical situation.

No doubt more farces are on the way, but both sides are to blame.

[foxcommander]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Already paying for them via road tax?

You only discovered this a couple of weeks ago. Remember you were outraged. 

But you were against it already, so this couldn't be your reason for being against it.   

Was providing an example.

If all you lads are so up for paying for water charges then you can pay my bill. Who can I send it to?
You'll all shut up when you can't afford to live on your wages. Funnily enough you seem quite content to pay anything that Enda decides to put your way including saddling future generations with the bailout.

[muppet]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Already paying for them via road tax?

You only discovered this a couple of weeks ago. Remember you were outraged. 

But you were against it already, so this couldn't be your reason for being against it.   

Was providing an example.

If all you lads are so up for paying for water charges then you can pay my bill. Who can I send it to?
You'll all shut up when you can't afford to live on your wages. Funnily enough you seem quite content to pay anything that Enda decides to put your way including saddling future generations with the bailout.

There really isn't any point in telling you for the 20th time, but what the hey.

Water charges are part of the Troika Bailout programme. Check it up if you don't believe me.

We could tear the bailout agreement up and join Greece on the brink of oblivion, but considering we have honoured every other vastly more expensive part of the bailout, we would be spectacular imbeciles to try to pull the whole thing down now.

Blame Enda all you want, but it betrays another agenda. Not only did Enda not sign us up for this, he may not even be aware he didn't sign us up for this. Portraying him as a tax gouging monster is just silly, if Santa Claus was Taoiseach he would have had to do the same thing. Though he may have packaged it better.

You want Enda out and your people in. Fair enough. But just come out and say it and don't hide behind faux outrage over nonsense like water charges.

[Maguire01]

So it appears that 6 in 10 Irish people are rightly refusing to pay twice for their water.

I have yet to hear a decent case put forward for not paying water charges - do you have one Mike??

Already paying for them via road tax?

You're not paying enough. If you were, the country wouldn't be running a deficit.