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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: September 19, 2018, 09:41:46 AM »
Leeds were top this day last season also.  And then ...

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Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: September 18, 2018, 09:40:44 AM »
Boots will be disappointed with the Colmcille goalie - seeing as the glorious past there.

Clonguish v Mullinalaghta promises to be a good game.

As I said to Laureleye, it's better than another humiliation meeting the half-parish in the final. 

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: September 09, 2018, 03:27:33 PM »
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Croatia is a bit of an outlier.

So is Ireland.   

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I think the FAI is crap.

They are good at some things, they are bad at a lot of things.  Lots of room for improvement, for sure.

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They never built their own stadium.

Don't really know what that means, or what it signifies - they share a stadium with rugby; that has to be a sustainable development.  It appears to be in constant use, for something or other.  It doesn't get into significant conflict with its neighbours. 

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They still depend on the GAA every so often.

Don't know what that means either, or what it's referring to.

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They missed the boat on youth development.


There's a perfectly good player development plan (PDP) in operation since 2016, and while it may take some time to mature, there is no reason to think it won't work to some degree. 

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The League of Oireland is a bit of a mess.

It's not great, but it deserves better support.  It can't and shouldn't be seen as a potential 'competitor' for the giant leagues in other large countries, but its best teams should be effective opponents for leagues in similar sized countries, and they are.  making it an outstanding outlier, in your own words, would need artificial supports from its national association or the government, but neither is likely to happen.  My own view is that the PDP, which has the 'elite' youth attached to LoI clubs is interesting, and provides a good pathway at home for the development of younger players, has a good chance of working in  the next 10 years. 

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And then Irish sports training is a long way from world class bar maybe Skib rowing club and certain boxing clubs

There are good coaches in several sports in Ireland, most of them are working voluntarily, and that will never work.  I think the recent provision of degree courses in sports sciences and sports methodologies have got to prove beneficial in the coming years for our athletes, in all sports. 

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: September 09, 2018, 02:42:59 PM »
So......let's get this straight, in summary

It's the GAA's fault that the Irish soccer team is shite?

It's an interesting topic for discussion, though.  The argument I have heard, but not participated in, due to a lack of definitive knowledge, is that Ireland's poor showing in all international sports (though that is somewhat of a stretch, let's keep it to athletic pursuits), is due to an obsession with a national sport, at the expense of international sports.  There is somewhat of a logic to this, we can't be good at everything/anything, if (some of) our best sports people are not playing international sports.  People point to the achievements of say, Denmark and New Zealand, internationally, as comparators.  It came up again in the performance of Croatia at the recent World Cup.  From my own personal perspective, I find it difficult to understand why some gaelic football players don't try to earn a living playing association football, and represent their country.  I mean, for an international standard athlete, there can't be much satisfaction at only being able to test yourself against the best in the parish/county/country, can there? 

I get all the stuff about representing your parish/club/community.  Let's not do that again. 

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What about " We Don't Need Nobody Else" by Whipping Boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2NqJ8t02Y0

Great tune but incredibly dodgy lyrics (in today's context)

I hit you for the first time today
I didn't mean it
It just happened
You wouldn't let me go to the phone
You wanted to make love and I did not
Now I know the distance between us
Christ we weren't even fighting, I was just annoyed
Silence and you started to cry, that really hurt you said
Yeah and you thought you knew me


At the time they were critical darlings, I remember a big article in the Melody Maker praising their honesty. I don't think you would get away with writing a song from the point of a domestic abuser today. I don't know if that is an advance or not, because it is a great (but difficult) song.

I don't think they were talking about their point of view there, to me it is pretty obvious that they are portraying a pretty screwed-up person (and their particular view of their relationship) in the song.  Incidentally, they toured that album with Lou Reed in Europe, and Lou Reed thought that they (on the basis of that song) were going to become the biggest band in the world. 

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: August 22, 2018, 02:17:52 PM »
Irish Soccer is 100 years behind Gaelic games. Why? Because we oppressed it for those 100 years - well for 85 of it! There are very few soccer clubs in Mayo older than 50 years. Most were founded in the mid-70's early 80's. The GAA has had the power for most of our existence as an independent state, backed by the clergy and the state. They proverbially held the heel to the throat for as long as they could.

There is always an underlying fear among the GAA fraternity of Soccer. There always seem a need to blacken and belittle it.

If the article above was about GAA getting more help from the state, it would be seen as an entitlement and reward for all the good work that the GAA does. Of course the Soccer fraternity do equally as much within the modern community and voluntary as well.

As a Parent with feet in both camps it disgusts me to see either side belittle the other. Both at ground level are massive organisations that instill a great sense of community in my area.

I agree with most of that. There is still a subtle difference though in the GAA and the Soccer. The GAA is still about a sense of place. Soccer draws lads from all around if it's a decent club. Our club in Newport has players from Murroe, Ballina, Ballinahinch etc. They are a great club, and do great work, and I support them. But if you are talking about a sense of identity and community, I think the GAA club is still the centre.

But in my experience (until this year at least when Summer Soccer kicks in), the clubs have co-existed excellently, and complement each other. I hope it continues.

I think that's true in most communities AZ, and I wouldn't see any difference in the commitment of officials in either code (and I think most officials I know would agree).  I would say that rather than defining a place, the GAA sees itself as a cultural organisation and not confined to being a sporting organisation.  It's a master stroke in terms of acquiring finance for running costs, i don't think any other sporting organisation could successfully do that, which is probably a legacy of our history as a nation.

I don't necessarily think a GAA club defines a place as such, albeit certainly places like Ferbane, Rhode, etc, are widely associated with their GAA players/clubs. People of a certain age know nothing about Ferbane, but they know the Lowrys and Ferbane GAA.

However I think the GAA club, because of restrictions in who can play for a club, is more tightly bound to a specific area or community. If you play for Newport, you are from Newport and you are of Newport. If you play for Newport Town FC, you are affiliated with Newport Town FC, but you could be from anywhere within a 20 mile radius.

I think you can see it most often when a club reaches a final or something. In the soccer, there's great excitement in the club and there's massive celebrations in the club when they win. In the GAA, there's flags, banners, good luck messages and bonfires and the whole town or village is caught up in it.

I'm not having a go at soccer here by the way, as I said before I played with, enjoy and support  my local soccer club, and I attended a brave few Limerick FC games in Pike Rovers back in the day. I just see them as different types of animal, and the GAA is more rooted in place.

Ah, I wouldn't agree with the bit in bold at all now - it might be true of a few places, but I don't think people discriminate (and I don't mean this in a negative way) when it comes to sporting success. 

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General discussion / Re: The Super(ish) Leeds United Thread
« on: August 22, 2018, 01:21:49 PM »
Will take a point. In contrast to other games, started off very slowly and were on the back foot for a lot of the game. Were behind twice but showed a bit of character to equalise each time. Think Cooper was a big loss. Bielsa showed he's not afraid to make a change. Philips taken off early and Roofe subbed after scoring. Bamford did well when he came on. Also like the look of young Shackleton.

I'd have been happy with a point at Swansea before the game started.  I like the cut of Potter's jib also. 

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: August 22, 2018, 01:11:56 PM »
Irish Soccer is 100 years behind Gaelic games. Why? Because we oppressed it for those 100 years - well for 85 of it! There are very few soccer clubs in Mayo older than 50 years. Most were founded in the mid-70's early 80's. The GAA has had the power for most of our existence as an independent state, backed by the clergy and the state. They proverbially held the heel to the throat for as long as they could.

There is always an underlying fear among the GAA fraternity of Soccer. There always seem a need to blacken and belittle it.

If the article above was about GAA getting more help from the state, it would be seen as an entitlement and reward for all the good work that the GAA does. Of course the Soccer fraternity do equally as much within the modern community and voluntary as well.

As a Parent with feet in both camps it disgusts me to see either side belittle the other. Both at ground level are massive organisations that instill a great sense of community in my area.

I agree with most of that. There is still a subtle difference though in the GAA and the Soccer. The GAA is still about a sense of place. Soccer draws lads from all around if it's a decent club. Our club in Newport has players from Murroe, Ballina, Ballinahinch etc. They are a great club, and do great work, and I support them. But if you are talking about a sense of identity and community, I think the GAA club is still the centre.

But in my experience (until this year at least when Summer Soccer kicks in), the clubs have co-existed excellently, and complement each other. I hope it continues.

I think that's true in most communities AZ, and I wouldn't see any difference in the commitment of officials in either code (and I think most officials I know would agree).  I would say that rather than defining a place, the GAA sees itself as a cultural organisation and not confined to being a sporting organisation.  It's a master stroke in terms of acquiring finance for running costs, i don't think any other sporting organisation could successfully do that, which is probably a legacy of our history as a nation. 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Biggest hammerings in club championship
« on: August 21, 2018, 01:25:03 PM »
No comment.  Many thanks Laureleye.

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: July 24, 2018, 01:21:21 PM »
Leeds won the FA Cup on the Saturday and only needed a point from their final league match away to Wolves to clinch the championship and complete the double. However, the FA forced Leeds to play the league fixture 48 hours after the cup final and, exhausted, they lost 2-1. It could not have happened today and would probably have ended up in the High Court if it had even been suggested. There were many other hard luck stories associated with the Leeds team of the era, but Madeley was one of the players who simply got on with his job and turned out wherever and whenever he was needed. He was of international class in practically every position and it is difficult to remember him ever having a poor game. They simply don't make them like him any more.

Don't get me f*cking started.   >:(

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General discussion / Re: Death Notices
« on: July 24, 2018, 09:26:14 AM »
Played in every outfield position for Leeds, as I recall.  RIP.

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GAA Discussion / Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
« on: July 23, 2018, 04:36:04 PM »
I'm starting to think you are Paul Kimmage.  ;D

My grammer and punctuation are better

But not the spelling.   :P

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GAA Discussion / Re: PuC and the Liam Miller Fundraiser
« on: July 23, 2018, 12:30:03 PM »
Should they have allowed this? Of course. Could they without passing a motion at congress? Probably not.

The fact that this is nothing more than a charity game could perhaps have gotten around the rules but wasn't there even a thing in Longford where they allowed facilities be used for a kids summer camp for soccer and got punished by HQ??

That article in the rules needs to go especially f the American Football is somehow being allowed.

Not unrelated to the fact that a Premiership soccer star jetted in and bragged to the local media something stupid about soccer taking over from Irish football in that part of the world.  He ended up paying the fine for the club.

Your first claim is false.  Your second claim is true.

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Longford / Re: Longford Football (& Hurling) Thread
« on: July 23, 2018, 12:16:49 PM »
Ballymahon 0-12 Mostrim 1-9
Colmcille 0-8 Mullinalaghta 2-17

I heard it was as bad as it looks ... for Colmcille. 

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General discussion / Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
« on: July 16, 2018, 12:23:39 PM »
France are deserving winners in the end. They made the most of their luck in this game though. This game wasn't a classic it was all about the errors really. Getting the own goal and an accidental penalty set up the win.

Be nice to have a chat on the football, not the refs decisions.

France were clearly the best team in the competition - there was nearly unanimous agreement at the start that they were one of the favourites, but the question was could they play as a team?  I think they did that very well, and huge credit must go to Deschamps, as coach and manager.  He is now in some company (with Beckenbauer and Zagallo) as the men who have won WCs as player and manager, and yet, prior to the tournament he was under massive pressure from his own country's media.  The football wasn't consistently spectacular, but (as Johnny Giles might say), they played each game on its merits, and came out on top when it mattered. 

What do we take from the tournament in how the game is developing?  My own take is that the 'gaps' between good teams and bad teams is narrowing, and qualifying is going to get harder and harder.  More and more countries are learning how to defend properly - my guess is that we are going to go into a period where counter-attacking is going to be the coaching focus (retaining possession seems now to be out-of-date) - with a big big focus on organisation without the ball.

So what do we take from the successes and the failures.  France are a massive country, and their education system places a big emphasis on sport - the Clarefontaine academy has now led to success in 2 WCs and an EC.  If they can transform their league into one that can compete for players with La Liga and the PL, then we could see them becoming a (more) dominant force (than they already are).  Croatia, as a tiny country producing (consistently) world-class players, in all positions, must be worth studying, from Ireland's perspective at least.  If we look back at the fact that they nearly didn't qualify in the first place, then we have to concede that the skills of their manager must be a key factor - is this a golden generation, or is this a one-off effort in support of a man with motivational skills?  Germany - poor choices in selection of the squad; nothing more.  Brazil - not in a good place; mass exodus of their players from local football; might never be a force again, realistically.  Argentina - ditto.  Uruguay - they know who they are; they know what they can do; they keep doing it, but are too small to win it without massive luck.  England - won the games they should have, lost they games they should have; have a real coach for the first time in ages (since Bobby Robson, probably) and might improve to a second-tier nation. 

So, a very good WC - it nearly always is, in fairness. 

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