Money, Dublin and the GAA

[t_mac]

When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.

Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.

Ridiculous post.

[Rossfan]

When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.

Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.

Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

[marty34]

When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.

Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.

Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

Any other sport, some teams are 'richer' than others and at the end of the day, only one team wins.

I think other teams should try and get to Dublin's standards instead of complaining. 


Every county could go down that road, Sligo will never win Connacht because Mayo has a bigger population...Clare will never win Munster because of X, Y and Z.  Every county can put up a reason but I say just get on with it - get your own house and structure etc. in place and starting developing.

As Pearse said in 1916  - "we have fought, therefore we have won"

[Rossfan]

So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

[Ciar]

When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.

Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.

Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

Any other sport, some teams are 'richer' than others and at the end of the day, only one team wins.

I think other teams should try and get to Dublin's standards instead of complaining. 


Every county could go down that road, Sligo will never win Connacht because Mayo has a bigger population...Clare will never win Munster because of X, Y and Z.  Every county can put up a reason but I say just get on with it - get your own house and structure etc. in place and starting developing.

As Pearse said in 1916  - "we have fought, therefore we have won"

Mayo has twice the population of Sligo and receive broadly similar funding, neither team have constant home advantage.
Dublin has over 12 times the population of Mayo and receives about 25 times the funding while also having constant home advantage.

Do you really not see the difference of magnitude here?
It's also nothing to do with organisation or having "houses in order" either, they're inherent advantages granted to Dublin. The only choices are to push for change or give up on the sport.

[manfromdelmonte]

When they came for Leinster you laughed at us told us to stop whinging and get better, you're just shit it's not our problem. Looks like the rest of the country are just as shit. Why is Ulster so competitive they ask, simply they are all just as shit as each other.

Like it or not, the Dubs have set the standard. At the end of the day its up to the rest to catch up no point whinging.

Come on Leitrim (35k), Longford (40k) and Fermanagh (35k*).
Pull ye're socks up and make an effort.
Sure population, money, home advantage etc has nothing to do with it.

* Another 32k not "GAA minded".

Any other sport, some teams are 'richer' than others and at the end of the day, only one team wins.

I think other teams should try and get to Dublin's standards instead of complaining. 


Every county could go down that road, Sligo will never win Connacht because Mayo has a bigger population...Clare will never win Munster because of X, Y and Z.  Every county can put up a reason but I say just get on with it - get your own house and structure etc. in place and starting developing.

As Pearse said in 1916  - "we have fought, therefore we have won"

The GAA is meant to be funded on an equitable basis
E.g. all clubs can apply for funding through grants
All counties can apply for funding

Except one county seems to have the majority of the funding and it's ringfenced for them
On top of that they have huge advantage in terms of generating commercial revenue
E.g. Roscommon ran two draws in the last 12 months. One was a 'Win a house' draw and the other a supporters draw. Together they generated about 800k.
To put that in perspective, Dublins sponsorship deal with AIG is worth just under 1 million per annum.
That's sponsorship, that they get straight into the bank account with no work for it

[marty34]

So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.

[manfromdelmonte]

So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.

But at least they can apply for the same grants and funding as every other club
They don't play all their games in the village
And they don't get 10 times more funding than every other club direct from the county board

[Rossfan]

Exactly.

[marty34]

So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.

But at least they can apply for the same grants and funding as every other club
They don't play all their games in the village
And they don't get 10 times more funding than every other club direct from the county board

Nobody was complaining about this funding 5 years ago.  Just seems when the Dubs are winning, people start with the excuses.  I understand your frustration but as counties, is it funding or population or Croke Park is the issue?

Seems to be that nowadays, people are throwing all excuses at the Dublin for their success but key thing is, nobody was complaining a few years ago or questioned it.

Dublin, for all their investments, are not winning many minor or All Ireland U20s/U21's.

[Ciar]

So if Leitrim players all get free cars and dinners, jobs in Carrick, a lorry load of backroom staff (Jim Gavins word) their 3,500 registered GAA players will turnout a 25 as good as the best of Dublins 39,000?
Only 1 team can win says he.
Yes but when it's the same team every year...
GAA you've got a problem

What has cars and dinners got to do with it? Plus backroom staff - I heard Derry had about 14 or 15 and they're in Div. 4.

Nobody was complaining about Dublin'spopulation 15 years ago - it was never mentioned.  Now, it's an issue as they are winning.

If you translate this to club level for example, in Galway, are people complaining because Corofin are winning the championship? - is their population bigger than clubs in other parts of Galway? No.  Have they more money than other clubs in Galway? No.

But at least they can apply for the same grants and funding as every other club
They don't play all their games in the village
And they don't get 10 times more funding than every other club direct from the county board

Nobody was complaining about this funding 5 years ago.  Just seems when the Dubs are winning, people start with the excuses.  I understand your frustration but as counties, is it funding or population or Croke Park is the issue?

Seems to be that nowadays, people are throwing all excuses at the Dublin for their success but key thing is, nobody was complaining a few years ago or questioned it.

Dublin, for all their investments, are not winning many minor or All Ireland U20s/U21's.

Nobody questioned the banks and the reckless lending before the arse fell out of the country and the taxpayer had to pick up the tab either. People tend to react when a problem manifests rather than paying attention to the process, it's not really a salient point.

And they're winning plenty at all levels if you look at the differences before and after the financial doping.

Since 2010:
Ladies - 3 AIs. Nothing in the 35 years before.
Mens U21s - 4 AIs since 2010. 1 in the 45 years before
Mens hurlers - 1 league and 1 Leinster - Nothing in almost 50 years before
Mens hurling clubs - 2 AI wins since 2010 - not even a final appearance before then.
Mens senior football - 6 AI wins since 2010 - the same total as for the 47 years before that

[Hound]

So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

[Dinny Breen]

So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

How does Games Development benefit Dublin?

Let's see does it help develop talent, only if you consider the formative years of football/hurling to be massively important, I don't by the way.

Now does it help talent identification - absolutely 100%.

It introduces the games to greater numbers than ever before, therefore the more players playing the more talented players playing.

Now how else does it help, well all these new players have to play somewhere, but you can't just rock up to a Dublin club and start kicking ball, nope you pay a membership.

Kilmacud Crokes - https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership

Family +3 Children €450
Family 2 Adults 2 Kids €355
Family 1 Child €245
Nursey 1 Child €170

A child can't join on his own.

Recently played an u8 tournament there - they had 8 teams, say 80 kids. That means Kilmacud u8s generate the guts of 20k for the club. Add in memberships across all their teams and you are into ridiculous revenues from membership.

But how does this help the Dublin Senior Footballers?

Well, all this money means they can improve facilities help attract more members including crucially the middle classes. Why are the middle classes important because it's known this socioeconomic group support their children in sport and their children are less likely to fall away. Again the longer they stay the more memberships the better the facilities.

So like most clubs Kilmacud would have a pyramid structure where everything is driven towards playing senior hurling or senior football. It's a bit of survival of the fittest, as these young players excel in their clubs with excellent facilities from astro to hurling walls to to gyms, they get identified by Dublin development squads where they get exposed to excellent coaching. Again this feed back into the club where they get to play against similar clubs with similar pathways in the most competitive club championship in Ireland. A club championship aides massively in the development of inter-county standard footballers.

Has the Dublin Senior Hurling Championship improved? Wonder where the All-Ireland Senior Club Hurling champs are from!!!!

[tonto1888]

So Ciar, who were you previously registered as?

Can you explain how the games development funding that went to mainly on introducing primary school children to the games directly led to Dublin winning the 2013 Leinster hurling championship (and being a whisker away from an All Ireland final)?

And given all the money that's been pumped into hurling since (Games development coaches equally divide their time between football/hurling/boys/girls) how is it that the Dubs hurlers have disimproved so much? Now admittedly none of the games development coaches would have coached a single hurler who played with the Dubs, but still I'm intrigued by your answer, seeing as you know so much!

How does Games Development benefit Dublin?

Let's see does it help develop talent, only if you consider the formative years of football/hurling to be massively important, I don't by the way.

Now does it help talent identification - absolutely 100%.

It introduces the games to greater numbers than ever before, therefore the more players playing the more talented players playing.

Now how else does it help, well all these new players have to play somewhere, but you can't just rock up to a Dublin club and start kicking ball, nope you pay a membership.

Kilmacud Crokes - https://kilmacudcrokes.com/club/membership

Family +3 Children €450
Family 2 Adults 2 Kids €355
Family 1 Child €245
Nursey 1 Child €170

A child can't join on his own.

Recently played an u8 tournament there - they had 8 teams, say 80 kids. That means Kilmacud u8s generate the guts of 20k for the club. Add in memberships across all their teams and you are into ridiculous revenues from membership.

But how does this help the Dublin Senior Footballers?

Well, all this money means they can improve facilities help attract more members including crucially the middle classes. Why are the middle classes important because it's known this socioeconomic group support their children in sport and their children are less likely to fall away. Again the longer they stay the more memberships the better the facilities.

So like most clubs Kilmacud would have a pyramid structure where everything is driven towards playing senior hurling or senior football. It's a bit of survival of the fittest, as these young players excel in their clubs with excellent facilities from astro to hurling walls to to gyms, they get identified by Dublin development squads where they get exposed to excellent coaching. Again this feed back into the club where they get to play against similar clubs with similar pathways in the most competitive club championship in Ireland. A club championship aides massively in the development of inter-county standard footballers.

Has the Dublin Senior Hurling Championship improved? Wonder where the All-Ireland Senior Club Hurling champs are from!!!!

Kilkenny

[Hound]

Good man Dinny!

That was a great effort.

Yep, population, and club membership is a huge advantage. Everyone seems to want to live in Dublin. A huge amount of those Kilmacud members are country people who've moved in. When my team plays Kilmacud, all you can hear is country accents of various hues from their supporters.

And the standard of Dublin club football means that the strong lads out of minor get amazing experience straight away, and sets them up, if they're good enough, to progression to senior intercounty.

Then you have geography of none of the Dubs players having any distance of note to travel for training.

Games development funding completely irrelevant to the Dubs senior team. Likes it's irrelvant to the senior hurling team and to the U20s and minor teams.

Actually amazing how many of the Dubs senior team have father's who played senior football. Yet people seem to think it was games development coaches in primary schools that introduced these lads to football. Bizarre.