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Anyone attempted to go plant based/vegan for a period of time?

Initially the wife wanted to try it for a month so I said I'd give it a go and see if I'd feel any better. Well 3 months on and we've kept it up apart from eating meet once over xmas and having a couple of eggs although I'm still eating fish. I'd been suffering from dizzyness/brain fog the last 4 years and the cold and damp weather would tend to bring it on but have not suffered at all since I changed my diet which I suspect is down to giving up dairy and eating more vegetables. I've definitely got more energy and those those sweet urges I used to have have disappeared.

There might be the odd occasion where I'll have the odd bit of meat or have an egg but definitely don't see us going back to eating meat or dairy daily.

My thoughts on this.

1. Humans simply wouldn't have evolved from being primates and cave dwellers, without eating meat, fish and other animal produce.

2. So it's a completely unnatural thing to do. Maybe not a quite as unnatural as say cutting off fingers and toes to take a dump on evolution. But still, very unnatural.

I simply cant imagine living like this.  Each to their own of course. 

Yeah agree with wobbler.

I could go without meat in my dinner now and again but there's no way I'd do it full time. Have fish a couple times a week, and do like my veg and eat quite a few eggs as well. But it's unnatural to go without all those.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 26, 2021, 03:41:07 PM
Anyone attempted to go plant based/vegan for a period of time?

Initially the wife wanted to try it for a month so I said I'd give it a go and see if I'd feel any better. Well 3 months on and we've kept it up apart from eating meet once over xmas and having a couple of eggs although I'm still eating fish. I'd been suffering from dizzyness/brain fog the last 4 years and the cold and damp weather would tend to bring it on but have not suffered at all since I changed my diet which I suspect is down to giving up dairy and eating more vegetables. I've definitely got more energy and those those sweet urges I used to have have disappeared.

There might be the odd occasion where I'll have the odd bit of meat or have an egg but definitely don't see us going back to eating meat or dairy daily.

Paul Mannion switched to a vegan based diet a few years ago and said that when he was fully into it he noticed a major upturn in energy but it was a bit of a pain in so far as "go to" foods.

I've tried a few of these over the years, I went Paleo at one stage (I'd say 90% strict). It was a great one for leaning out during those motivated phases of training but eventually I knocked it on the head. I was doing it purely for sports performance.

I tend not to eat much dairy or gluten anyway, just by my own tastes but I do notice if I took a bit of bread or something in a sandwich i'd feel very heavy or sluggish in the hours following - I'm sure that is partially psychological.

Quote from: BennyCake on January 26, 2021, 04:15:48 PM
Yeah agree with wobbler.

I could go without meat in my dinner now and again but there's no way I'd do it full time. Have fish a couple times a week, and do like my veg and eat quite a few eggs as well. But it's unnatural to go without all those.

I would kind of like to try it now and again. I eat a lot of meat and I love it and it doesn't cause me any GI issues but it doesn't feel right to eat it for lunch and dinner every day I should really be eating more plant based.

I'm a serious plain eater though and like my food so don't want to waste meals on food I can eat but have to struggle through so salads don't appeal but I think I'll try some meat alternatives the next while if I can find something I like and try to incorporate it a day or 2 a week.

Also what if I turn into one of those Vegan pricks who posts all their meals online and goes running everyday... feel free to shoot me if that happens!  ;)

A lot of days I'd eat meat for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
I definitely eat too much of it and should cut back purely for health reasons.
Could never see myself give it up entirely though. I could never see myself not eating a medium rare striploin  again.. not possible.

I watched that Game Changers on Netflix recently and while it wouldn't change my mind it certainly was interesting albeit a pretty one sided biased show.

Wouldn't mind trying some Vegan or Vegetarian dinners if anyone had any recommendations.

Quote from: laoislad on January 26, 2021, 04:30:26 PM
A lot of days I'd eat meat for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
I definitely eat too much of it and should cut back purely for health reasons.
Could never see myself give it up entirely though. I could never see myself not eating a medium rare striploin  again.. not possible.

I watched that Game Changers on Netflix recently and while it wouldn't change my mind it certainly was interesting albeit a pretty one sided biased show.

Wouldn't mind trying some Vegan or Vegetarian dinners if anyone had any recommendations.

Homer Simpson summed it up best for me - Unless there's a dead animal on my plate it's not a proper meal.
I eat meat pretty much every day and couldn't give it up.

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:18:57 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 26, 2021, 03:41:07 PM
Anyone attempted to go plant based/vegan for a period of time?

Initially the wife wanted to try it for a month so I said I'd give it a go and see if I'd feel any better. Well 3 months on and we've kept it up apart from eating meet once over xmas and having a couple of eggs although I'm still eating fish. I'd been suffering from dizzyness/brain fog the last 4 years and the cold and damp weather would tend to bring it on but have not suffered at all since I changed my diet which I suspect is down to giving up dairy and eating more vegetables. I've definitely got more energy and those those sweet urges I used to have have disappeared.

There might be the odd occasion where I'll have the odd bit of meat or have an egg but definitely don't see us going back to eating meat or dairy daily.

Paul Mannion switched to a vegan based diet a few years ago and said that when he was fully into it he noticed a major upturn in energy but it was a bit of a pain in so far as "go to" foods.

I've tried a few of these over the years, I went Paleo at one stage (I'd say 90% strict). It was a great one for leaning out during those motivated phases of training but eventually I knocked it on the head. I was doing it purely for sports performance.

I tend not to eat much dairy or gluten anyway, just by my own tastes but I do notice if I took a bit of bread or something in a sandwich i'd feel very heavy or sluggish in the hours following - I'm sure that is partially psychological.

I work from home all the time anyway but would find it difficult If was out and about and I'd have to be very prepared by bringing food with me. Pubs/Restaurants have all been shut since I switched so not sure what I'll eat when I'm in one.

Since my early 20's I'd felt tired or sluggish after every lunch/dinner I had, dads a coeliac so naturally I gave that a go but lost a load of weight I didn't have to lose.

I suffer from gilberts syndrome which had never bothered me until 4 years ago when I started to suffer from really bad headaches and brain fog, had some really long periods of brain fog since where it lasted for months. Should have given up dairy then as there's plenty of advice online that recommends it, feeling great the last 3 months which is the most important aspect for me so will be continue to keep at it.

Every so often might give up meat for lent and cut out sweets/chocolates/treats so end up eating more greens and fruits. Definitely would notice a difference but that could be down to eating less shite in general.
Have to say though first steak after Easter would bring a tear to your eye so wouldn't ever think of giving meat up for good. Also you do notice that eating on the go or grabbing something quick is a real pain if meat is not an option. You definitely need to be more organised with your meals.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 26, 2021, 04:42:10 PM

Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 26, 2021, 04:18:57 PM

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 26, 2021, 03:41:07 PM
Anyone attempted to go plant based/vegan for a period of time?

Initially the wife wanted to try it for a month so I said I'd give it a go and see if I'd feel any better. Well 3 months on and we've kept it up apart from eating meet once over xmas and having a couple of eggs although I'm still eating fish. I'd been suffering from dizzyness/brain fog the last 4 years and the cold and damp weather would tend to bring it on but have not suffered at all since I changed my diet which I suspect is down to giving up dairy and eating more vegetables. I've definitely got more energy and those those sweet urges I used to have have disappeared.

There might be the odd occasion where I'll have the odd bit of meat or have an egg but definitely don't see us going back to eating meat or dairy daily.

Paul Mannion switched to a vegan based diet a few years ago and said that when he was fully into it he noticed a major upturn in energy but it was a bit of a pain in so far as "go to" foods.

I've tried a few of these over the years, I went Paleo at one stage (I'd say 90% strict). It was a great one for leaning out during those motivated phases of training but eventually I knocked it on the head. I was doing it purely for sports performance.

I tend not to eat much dairy or gluten anyway, just by my own tastes but I do notice if I took a bit of bread or something in a sandwich i'd feel very heavy or sluggish in the hours following - I'm sure that is partially psychological.

I work from home all the time anyway but would find it difficult If was out and about and I'd have to be very prepared by bringing food with me. Pubs/Restaurants have all been shut since I switched so not sure what I'll eat when I'm in one.

Since my early 20's I'd felt tired or sluggish after every lunch/dinner I had, dads a coeliac so naturally I gave that a go but lost a load of weight I didn't have to lose.

I suffer from gilberts syndrome which had never bothered me until 4 years ago when I started to suffer from really bad headaches and brain fog, had some really long periods of brain fog since where it lasted for months. Should have given up dairy then as there's plenty of advice online that recommends it, feeling great the last 3 months which is the most important aspect for me so will be continue to keep at it.

Kinda a bit of a no go in Ireland. But giving up dairy completely makes you feel a whole lot better with a lot more energy. It's subtle, but there is definitely a better feel good factor when it's out of the body. I think so anyway. I accept it's sacralige in Ireland though.

Indian food is your friend.

Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
My thoughts on this.

1. Humans simply wouldn't have evolved from being primates and cave dwellers, without eating meat, fish and other animal produce.

2. So it's a completely unnatural thing to do. Maybe not a quite as unnatural as say cutting off fingers and toes to take a dump on evolution. But still, very unnatural.

1. Is there any evidence to back this up?

2. What's more natural. Eating plants growing around you or deciding to eat another living being?

To be clear. I'm not vegan or even veggie. I eat all the meat.

The odd time I have an Indian takeaway, can't remember the last Chinese takeaway I've had, must be 10 years.

Fresh food cooked, mixture of meat fish and chicken throughout the week.

Have done the odd veg week or two only. It's just more difficult to find the right mix and prepare it but if there was no meat available I wouldn't miss it..

I'm not going to change to veg and feel a moderate mix of goods is good enough for you.

Flavour is my thing for food, if it's got great textures and flavour I'll enjoy it.

Chocolate is my biggest downfall unfortunately and I keep trying to reduce it, but its a feckin drug!

Finally Wine! My beer consumption has dropped by about 90% and red wine consumption increased, weekends only and I try to leave at the least a glass or more in the bottle before bed!

There are very few things lately which are enjoyable, good food though is a bonus during this shit storm.. enjoy it, we don't have much time left

Quote from: tonto1888 on January 26, 2021, 05:22:14 PM

Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
My thoughts on this.

1. Humans simply wouldn't have evolved from being primates and cave dwellers, without eating meat, fish and other animal produce.

2. So it's a completely unnatural thing to do. Maybe not a quite as unnatural as say cutting off fingers and toes to take a dump on evolution. But still, very unnatural.

1. Is there any evidence to back this up?

2. What's more natural. Eating plants growing around you or deciding to eat another living being?

To be clear. I'm not vegan or even veggie. I eat all the meat.

Pretty sure I've seen more than one documentary about point 1. Basically the jist was consuming of animal proteins led to a rapid brain development in our early ancestors.
Impossible to answer point 2 but plants are another form of life no matter how distanced from us. Plus habitat has a huge part to play in diet. No surprise to see traditionally vegetarian diets in places like India where climate and soil quality would have made an abundance of a wide variety of fruit and vegetables readily available. Would have been impossible to survive and evolve in the more northern climes without access to meat.

Red meat 2-3 times a month, lasagne or steaks for a treat. Fish or veg based 4-5 times a week and fish 1-2 times a week. Have been living like that the last 3-4 months and haven't felt healthier for years. Have way more energy and sleeping mush better. Skin is great too. Much 'fresher' looking and other parts of the body definitely in better working order.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 26, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
Red meat 2-3 times a month, lasagne or steaks for a treat. Fish or veg based 4-5 times a week and fish 1-2 times a week. Have been living like that the last 3-4 months and haven't felt healthier for years. Have way more energy and sleeping mush better. Skin is great too. Much 'fresher' looking and other parts of the body definitely in better working order.

What parts ?  ;D

The big lads eatin the viagra innit.

I suppose it could be classed as vegetarian..

Quote from: tonto1888 on January 26, 2021, 05:22:14 PM

Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
My thoughts on this.

1. Humans simply wouldn't have evolved from being primates and cave dwellers, without eating meat, fish and other animal produce.

2. So it's a completely unnatural thing to do. Maybe not a quite as unnatural as say cutting off fingers and toes to take a dump on evolution. But still, very unnatural.

1. Is there any evidence to back this up?

2. What's more natural. Eating plants growing around you or deciding to eat another living being?

To be clear. I'm not vegan or even veggie. I eat all the meat.

Is it not one of the fundamentals of Darwinism that you adapt to your surroundings or extinction beckons?

That's why humans eat meat.

We may have now actually be reaching a stage in our existence where we can thrive without meat. But from my largely uneducated vantage point, it would seem to be a stage where we would become dependent on imported food and a wide range of tablet supplements. Id be sceptical if this a better approach for our continued survival than doing what comes naturally.

Quote from: thewobbler on January 26, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
My thoughts on this.

1. Humans simply wouldn't have evolved from being primates and cave dwellers, without eating meat, fish and other animal produce.

2. So it's a completely unnatural thing to do. Maybe not a quite as unnatural as say cutting off fingers and toes to take a dump on evolution. But still, very unnatural.

Meat was a small % of diet
The return from hunting of food v energy expended was often very poor.
Generally meat was very seasonal and unreliable for hunter gatherers

Much more protein was got from roots, grubs and other plant based sources.

Everything in moderation and you'll not go far wrong. I just have to start practising what I preach. If you can minimise processed meat and stick to a decent bit of red meat every now and again, you'll be grand.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2021, 07:11:27 PM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 26, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
Red meat 2-3 times a month, lasagne or steaks for a treat. Fish or veg based 4-5 times a week and fish 1-2 times a week. Have been living like that the last 3-4 months and haven't felt healthier for years. Have way more energy and sleeping mush better. Skin is great too. Much 'fresher' looking and other parts of the body definitely in better working order.

What parts ?  ;D

The right parts....

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2021, 05:45:49 PM
The odd time I have an Indian takeaway, can't remember the last Chinese takeaway I've had, must be 10 years.

Fresh food cooked, mixture of meat fish and chicken throughout the week.

Have done the odd veg week or two only. It's just more difficult to find the right mix and prepare it but if there was no meat available I wouldn't miss it..

I'm not going to change to veg and feel a moderate mix of goods is good enough for you.

Flavour is my thing for food, if it's got great textures and flavour I'll enjoy it.

Chocolate is my biggest downfall unfortunately and I keep trying to reduce it, but its a feckin drug!

Finally Wine! My beer consumption has dropped by about 90% and red wine consumption increased, weekends only and I try to leave at the least a glass or more in the bottle before bed!

There are very few things lately which are enjoyable, good food though is a bonus during this shit storm.. enjoy it, we don't have much time left

Keeping it for breakfast??  ;D

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 26, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
Red meat 2-3 times a month, lasagne or steaks for a treat. Fish or veg based 4-5 times a week and fish 1-2 times a week. Have been living like that the last 3-4 months and haven't felt healthier for years. Have way more energy and sleeping mush better. Skin is great too. Much 'fresher' looking and other parts of the body definitely in better working order.

You cut down on dairy at all?

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 27, 2021, 09:16:41 AM

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 26, 2021, 05:51:54 PM
Red meat 2-3 times a month, lasagne or steaks for a treat. Fish or veg based 4-5 times a week and fish 1-2 times a week. Have been living like that the last 3-4 months and haven't felt healthier for years. Have way more energy and sleeping mush better. Skin is great too. Much 'fresher' looking and other parts of the body definitely in better working order.

You cut down on dairy at all?

I try to but I'm not great at that. Love the cheese and porridge with milk in the mornings. Have tried oat milk and a few other alternatives but just doesn't cut it. I know if I did cut the dairy out it would be better from my breathing as it is absolutely linked to a mucus I get in my throat but it's not too bad so I can live with it.

Day 1 off the dairy. Curious to see if it makes any difference. Cheese will be missed.

It's hard to do.....but I think you'll notice a big difference in your general day to day by Monday.

I have started to adopt a more veganism diet with some slight changes to the norm.  Oat/Soy milk has replaced regular milk and I can't tell the difference as I gather the flavour of my tea/coffee/porridge from them themselves. 

I have tried quorn mince on lasagne/bolognaise and again the main taste is coming from the sauces and veg contained within.
I like the idea of cutting down on red meats when I can, but meat will forever be a feature of my diet, I am content with the small changes I have made so far as they don't impact me. 

On the topic of eating habits themselves, the majority of my colleagues in work eat food dictated by their tastebuds and its often pure rubbish.  One guy would eat chips everyday for lunch (one time we shared a bus into work and he was wolfing down a burger king at 8.30 in the morning), another would resort to eating pot noodles (he is 35) out of laziness and the majority would horse a few cans of fizzy juice into them everyday and about 4-5 coffee's. 

They look at me with astonishment/disdain that I would happily eat the same lunch for the week (I meal prep on a Sunday to free up my evenings during the week) but to me that's standard.

I cant fathom how grown adults can't create proper lunches on a regular basis.   

you can make your own oat milk
much cheaper

Quote from: JohnDenver on January 27, 2021, 12:29:08 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 26, 2021, 05:45:49 PM
The odd time I have an Indian takeaway, can't remember the last Chinese takeaway I've had, must be 10 years.

Fresh food cooked, mixture of meat fish and chicken throughout the week.

Have done the odd veg week or two only. It's just more difficult to find the right mix and prepare it but if there was no meat available I wouldn't miss it..

I'm not going to change to veg and feel a moderate mix of goods is good enough for you.

Flavour is my thing for food, if it's got great textures and flavour I'll enjoy it.

Chocolate is my biggest downfall unfortunately and I keep trying to reduce it, but its a feckin drug!

Finally Wine! My beer consumption has dropped by about 90% and red wine consumption increased, weekends only and I try to leave at the least a glass or more in the bottle before bed!

There are very few things lately which are enjoyable, good food though is a bonus during this shit storm.. enjoy it, we don't have much time left

Keeping it for breakfast??  ;D

It works well with Corn Flakes

Quote from: JoG2 on January 27, 2021, 10:42:18 AM
Day 1 off the dairy. Curious to see if it makes any difference. Cheese will be missed.

I went off dairy for four wks as I'm feeding a baby and thought she may have been intolerant. I couldn't believe how many products that there's hidden dairy in. Multi vitamins, soups, crisps, even wine!

Oatly Barista milk is prob the best tasting for tea etc, but wait til the hot drinks cool a bit or it could curdle. I ate Oreos as treats. A lot of Oreos.

Like Bc1, I'm prob a bit intolerant myself, but symptoms not bad enough to make it a permanent change (and challenged baby's intolerance and she was fine too). Thank goodness!

Quote from: BennyCake on January 26, 2021, 04:15:48 PM

I could go without meat in my dinner now and again but there's no way I'd do it full time. Have fish a couple times a week, and do like my veg and eat quite a few eggs as well. But it's unnatural to go without all those.

I can understand people trying to give up meat (particularly red meat) and dairy for health reasons. But surely eggs are healthy?
(Appreciate some might give up eggs for ethical reasons, but I don't people are talking about that on this thread).

If I eat chicken, fish or eggs instead of red meat I think I'm doing great!

We would generally eat well during the week but Christ have i a sweet tooth. The kids sweet cupboard gets raided pretty often and biscuits are my downfall. We are getting fed up with the same dinners week in week out so have taken up those Hello Fresh offers I've seen advertised so looking forward to trying those this weekend. Anyone else used them? I believe they are having problems with delivery to here due to Brexit.

I found myself reaching for bars and biscuits with every cup of tea, so I made the decision to stop eating crap during the week. It's hard to do sometimes but I've got use to it. It's so much more satisfying having a bit of chocolate or a couple of biscuits with your tea at the weekend knowing you have deserved it.

If you crave chocolate, give it a smell. I thought it was a mad idea, but it does work.

@Rois just on the baby being possibly lactose intolerant when we moved to formula with her wee lady ship the pain she was in was unreal for a few weeks. We went to the doctors and got prescribed formula and bingo.....she was a dream. She now takes normal milk but whatever was in the formula had her covered in rashes on her bum and gave and within 48 hours it was gone

We started giving up carbohydrates after breakfast and cutting down on sweet things last March.
Also we usually have eggs for breakfast.
I was delighted to be able to fit again in a suit I bought in 2002.

My wife got interested in Sapien medicine videos on youtube. They use sound waves rather than tablets

https://youtu.be/fQFIHK8PttQ

Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 27, 2021, 11:08:24 AM
I have started to adopt a more veganism diet with some slight changes to the norm.  Oat/Soy milk has replaced regular milk and I can't tell the difference as I gather the flavour of my tea/coffee/porridge from them themselves. 

I have tried quorn mince on lasagne/bolognaise and again the main taste is coming from the sauces and veg contained within.
I like the idea of cutting down on red meats when I can, but meat will forever be a feature of my diet, I am content with the small changes I have made so far as they don't impact me. 

On the topic of eating habits themselves, the majority of my colleagues in work eat food dictated by their tastebuds and its often pure rubbish.  One guy would eat chips everyday for lunch (one time we shared a bus into work and he was wolfing down a burger king at 8.30 in the morning), another would resort to eating pot noodles (he is 35) out of laziness and the majority would horse a few cans of fizzy juice into them everyday and about 4-5 coffee's. 

They look at me with astonishment/disdain that I would happily eat the same lunch for the week (I meal prep on a Sunday to free up my evenings during the week) but to me that's standard.

I cant fathom how grown adults can't create proper lunches on a regular basis.

I look back on my eating habits during my 20's and it wasn't much better then those you work with, I ate so much more back then so no idea how I didn't put any weight on. I've soya milk from Aldi in my tea and it taste's the same as milk would, the same for porridge etc.

I can't stand anything from Quorn or Tofu, think their dreadful. I'd have eaten a lot of bacon and sausages but have found good substitutes for them to my surprise.

Portion size plays a big part on things too, I've reduced my portions, very easy to pile on the rice and pasta when dishing out the the dinners.

My metabolism is not as high as it was, so while still doing the same exercises (to a point) I'm not burning off fat as much as I would have ten years ago, and this with reducing portion size and better eating!

Getting old is crap!

I see the 1 year sober on social media has plenty of followers, that would play a big part having a healthier body.... 

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 27, 2021, 04:49:02 PM

Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 27, 2021, 11:08:24 AM
I have started to adopt a more veganism diet with some slight changes to the norm.  Oat/Soy milk has replaced regular milk and I can't tell the difference as I gather the flavour of my tea/coffee/porridge from them themselves. 

I have tried quorn mince on lasagne/bolognaise and again the main taste is coming from the sauces and veg contained within.
I like the idea of cutting down on red meats when I can, but meat will forever be a feature of my diet, I am content with the small changes I have made so far as they don't impact me. 

On the topic of eating habits themselves, the majority of my colleagues in work eat food dictated by their tastebuds and its often pure rubbish.  One guy would eat chips everyday for lunch (one time we shared a bus into work and he was wolfing down a burger king at 8.30 in the morning), another would resort to eating pot noodles (he is 35) out of laziness and the majority would horse a few cans of fizzy juice into them everyday and about 4-5 coffee's. 

They look at me with astonishment/disdain that I would happily eat the same lunch for the week (I meal prep on a Sunday to free up my evenings during the week) but to me that's standard.

I cant fathom how grown adults can't create proper lunches on a regular basis.

I look back on my eating habits during my 20's and it wasn't much better then those you work with, I ate so much more back then so no idea how I didn't put any weight on. I've soya milk from Aldi in my tea and it taste's the same as milk would, the same for porridge etc.

I can't stand anything from Quorn or Tofu, think their dreadful. I'd have eaten a lot of bacon and sausages but have found good substitutes for them to my surprise.

Turkey bacon hard to beat as a substitute.

over the last year I was putting on a good bit of timber, working from home eating a lot more and more often and drinking more. after Christmas ive been doing a bit more training but the main thing that I think is helping me shift weight is I downloaded myfitnesspal, sounds strange but the accountability of having to input everything you eat really makes you stop and think, I try keep to 1700 calories try have 3 decent meals then whatever I have left I use for snacks, I have a massive sweet tooth so those wee skinny whip bars are a life saver. Also my woman is vegetarian so I kinda stick to that during the week and then il have meat at the weekend, working well so far.

How many of you would consider not only what you are eating but where it has come from?

Since moving jobs closer to my local town I have made a point now of going to the local butcher and green grocer - doing my best not to buy either of those from the big supermarkets. Have also bought some meat from the farm gate and I would have seen a big difference in quality & taste.

I have developed a particular dislike of the big supermarkets through this pandemic too (not that they will care and not that is particularly their fault), when it's all over there will be very little left on the high street.

Quote from: Maroon Manc on January 27, 2021, 04:49:02 PM

Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 27, 2021, 11:08:24 AM
I have started to adopt a more veganism diet with some slight changes to the norm.  Oat/Soy milk has replaced regular milk and I can't tell the difference as I gather the flavour of my tea/coffee/porridge from them themselves. 

I have tried quorn mince on lasagne/bolognaise and again the main taste is coming from the sauces and veg contained within.
I like the idea of cutting down on red meats when I can, but meat will forever be a feature of my diet, I am content with the small changes I have made so far as they don't impact me. 

On the topic of eating habits themselves, the majority of my colleagues in work eat food dictated by their tastebuds and its often pure rubbish.  One guy would eat chips everyday for lunch (one time we shared a bus into work and he was wolfing down a burger king at 8.30 in the morning), another would resort to eating pot noodles (he is 35) out of laziness and the majority would horse a few cans of fizzy juice into them everyday and about 4-5 coffee's. 

They look at me with astonishment/disdain that I would happily eat the same lunch for the week (I meal prep on a Sunday to free up my evenings during the week) but to me that's standard.

I cant fathom how grown adults can't create proper lunches on a regular basis.

I look back on my eating habits during my 20's and it wasn't much better then those you work with, I ate so much more back then so no idea how I didn't put any weight on. I've soya milk from Aldi in my tea and it taste's the same as milk would, the same for porridge etc.

I can't stand anything from Quorn or Tofu, think their dreadful. I'd have eaten a lot of bacon and sausages but have found good substitutes for them to my surprise.

I'd agree.  I've a daughter who goes through vegetarian phases and she'd get me to try this crap.  It's awful.  Don't get me wrong, some of the other products have been ok.  I have no desire to be a vegetarian but I believe I could do it ok as I do love my veggies. Veganism - no way.

Tried that MyFitnessPal app too.  It's defo a good tool if you have the patience for it.

I think I generally eat health enough, with the odd takeaway thrown in at the weekends.  My problem is 100% portion sizing.

There has actually only been one night where I have drank during Lockdown since it started last March, perhaps in a whole year.  I was always a binge/social drinker, so never had any desire to booze in the house or even with a meal.  Anyways, found I was actually piling on the pounds the last few months.  As others have said my downfall was chocolate bars and sweets etc.  I'd eat mainly healthy during the week and at weekends (with exception of odd takeaway), but I'd still manage a couple of bars every other evening.  Have cut this out (and sugar in the main) since end of December and the weight has been dropping significantly.  I find a bulk shop in the butchers is best for the month and tend to go to the supermarkets for things like milk and frozen veg etc.  I would also buy those healthy meals on occasion from 'Go Pig Or Go Home' - only £3 and have to say they are nice enough.  To replacing the chocolate urge, I've started buying protein balls.  They are made by a company in Banbridge and you'll find them in the Applegreen stations - have to say they are lovely.  Nutrilean is the company I think.

Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:33:04 AM
How many of you would consider not only what you are eating but where it has come from?

Since moving jobs closer to my local town I have made a point now of going to the local butcher and green grocer - doing my best not to buy either of those from the big supermarkets. Have also bought some meat from the farm gate and I would have seen a big difference in quality & taste.

I have developed a particular dislike of the big supermarkets through this pandemic too (not that they will care and not that is particularly their fault), when it's all over there will be very little left on the high street.

We've recently got big shopping  orders from our local shop. I'm not going back to those big f**kers. We have to support our small businesses, because a lot of them won't be here as this goes on.

I can't unders people constantly ordering from those amazon b******s. Never bought nothing from them and never will. Shop local. If you had a local business, how would you feel people bypassing you and heading to those big f******s?

People will shop amazon as they are lazy and prefer to get things cheaper...

No one can deny the handiness of online shopping, though our local butchers have seen a huge upturn in business, they have developed also and they make a lot of fresh stuff made up the night before.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
People will shop amazon as they are lazy and prefer to get things cheaper...

No one can deny the handiness of online shopping, though our local butchers have seen a huge upturn in business, they have developed also and they make a lot of fresh stuff made up the night before.

Why wouldnt someone use Amazon?
Many shops are closed so you cant get some of the things local - in addition to prices being lower with them.
If local shops are open then they need to be competitive.

Reminds me a bit of the push for staycations last year - Irish companies ripped the arse out of it by charging extortionate prices

Butchers is a no brainer considering the difference in quality between them and the large corporate brands

Quote from: Taylor on January 28, 2021, 11:29:52 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
People will shop amazon as they are lazy and prefer to get things cheaper...

No one can deny the handiness of online shopping, though our local butchers have seen a huge upturn in business, they have developed also and they make a lot of fresh stuff made up the night before.

Why wouldnt someone use Amazon?
Many shops are closed so you cant get some of the things local - in addition to prices being lower with them.
If local shops are open then they need to be competitive.

Reminds me a bit of the push for staycations last year - Irish companies ripped the arse out of it by charging extortionate prices

Butchers is a no brainer considering the difference in quality between them and the large corporate brands

It think its buying from Amazon, after or before lockdown is the question being asked, I noticed and mentioned on here during the first lockdown, some local shops took the piss out of their prices, there was a hike in prices, even the local Spar's and the like lifted their, Iceland and Lidil kept things the same.

My butchers worked very hard to keep their names out there and provided a delivery service also. As for butchers and quality, its very hard for butchers to compete with the big stores, buying baulk and having the facilities to freeze larger amounts will bring the price down for them. So butchers have to pay a wee bit more on quality meat.

A local Butcher struggles, my brother owned a butchers for a few years, on a busy road in Belfast many years ago, the profit margins were slim to nothing, spending an extra 5 going local will save you the hassle driving to a store, parking and walking around Stresco's!

Been dieting since 4th January and doing fairly well so far have 9lbs off in that time.

It hasn't really been that difficult either. I'd be awful for eating takeaway food or eating out any chance I get it would usually have been minimum twice a week so obviously I've cut that out. Also with bars and sweets and crisps anytime I was in a shop I'd have bought myself something and would have had a couple of bars of chocolate at work along with a feed of crisps or chocolate after dinner so I've cut all that out (best is not to have it in the house if I know it's there it'll be gone!)

The last thing is reducing portion sizes. I would have easily went back up for that extra slice of beef or ham or that extra spud or bit of chicken but have cut that out and my wife has moved to serving dinner on a side plate rather than a big dinner plate to give the illusion of having a full plate but it seems to work.

Other than that I'll have a bowl of cereal and fruit for breakfast, soup and a sandwich for lunch and my dinner.

Will be interesting to see how far down that gets me before I'd have to do something more drastic like change what  I eat or start working out on a more regular basis but for me anyway it seems to be that if I can put a bit of discipline into it the weight can come down not too bad! I haven't been 13.5st since my early twenties would be nice to get back there!

I am all for shopping locally, but at the end of the day the price is going to be the deciding factor in where I buy my groceries. 

I would have shopped in my local supermarket for years, then I tried Sainsburys and bought the same items and the price difference was roughly £15 - £20.  Over the course of the year that accrues to some saving like. 

I do have a distain for the big supermarkets and how they capture your data and analyse it to market you better, and also how they create their own branded products based off of what people are purchasing, they are trying to monopolise the food industry in that regard.  But, as the main breadwinner in my family, I have to do what is financially best for my family. 

I have a friend who is a butcher and I will always give him a turn though, even though I know I could get, say a box of chicken for £7 cheaper elsewhere, that would be a concession of mine. 

Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on January 28, 2021, 12:00:28 PM
I am all for shopping locally, but at the end of the day the price is going to be the deciding factor in where I buy my groceries. 

I would have shopped in my local supermarket for years, then I tried Sainsburys and bought the same items and the price difference was roughly £15 - £20.  Over the course of the year that accrues to some saving like. 

I do have a distain for the big supermarkets and how they capture your data and analyse it to market you better, and also how they create their own branded products based off of what people are purchasing, they are trying to monopolise the food industry in that regard.  But, as the main breadwinner in my family, I have to do what is financially best for my family. 

I have a friend who is a butcher and I will always give him a turn though, even though I know I could get, say a box of chicken for £7 cheaper elsewhere, that would be a concession of mine.

But do you know what you're getting.

I understand the argument though, the problem being that as the Amazon's and Tesco's of this world get bigger their buying power increases accordingly, and it's at the point now where the small retailers will never be able to compete with them again - it's all about scale.

Apologies for hijacking the thread to discuss the merits of capitalism...

Would shop locally for fresh stuff like bread, fruit, veg, fish and any chicken/meat that we might get. We would do a weekly click and collect for the basics like tinned, baby stuff etc but try to go local. We get our fish of the Shankill road....little did I know that's where I would end up!!

Shopping local generally means choosing to spend a little more for the same product in the hope that your money stays in the local economy.
I shop local from anyone who chooses to shop local. If a retailer is asking me to spend more from my families budget locally, then I expect them to do the same. Is that retailer preferentially purchasing their merchandise from local vendors even if it means that their profits are a bit lower? Are they willing to forego their own 'budget' in order to help the local economy? If not, then they can go and shite; they are essentially looking for private households to do what they are not willing to themselves. Plenty of businesses are struggling at the moment, but so are plenty of households.

A lot of people don't realise that local shops aren't buying local produce as much as say Aldi and Lidl. Lidl have locally produced high quality meat on the shelves. Some butchers don't always take in as good quality meat as local supermarkets either. It can be pretty complex. I like to support local businesses as much as possible. Buy my clothes and shoes from smaller businesses when I can. amazon gets hit for stuff I wouldn't have time to look for.

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on January 28, 2021, 12:39:23 PM
Would shop locally for fresh stuff like bread, fruit, veg, fish and any chicken/meat that we might get. We would do a weekly click and collect for the basics like tinned, baby stuff etc but try to go local. We get our fish of the Shankill road....little did I know that's where I would end up!!

Portavogies finest I bet..

Nowadays if you want to shop local and trail around butchers, greengrocers etc. a lot of the time you are having to queue etc. so as well as cost there is a lot to be said for the big supermarkets. It's not as if me going to Sainsburys in Armagh doesn't benefit the local economy when they are an employer of local people. I also don't buy the argument that local butchers etc. are going to be better, especially in relation to hygiene etc.

Big Ciaran who runs Pure Derry and the Ulster Fry is in the process of setting up the Pure Derry Marketplace. A local version of Amazon. Be interesting to see how it goes.

Quote from: BennyCake on January 28, 2021, 10:22:06 AM

Quote from: lfdown2 on January 28, 2021, 09:33:04 AM
How many of you would consider not only what you are eating but where it has come from?

Since moving jobs closer to my local town I have made a point now of going to the local butcher and green grocer - doing my best not to buy either of those from the big supermarkets. Have also bought some meat from the farm gate and I would have seen a big difference in quality & taste.

I have developed a particular dislike of the big supermarkets through this pandemic too (not that they will care and not that is particularly their fault), when it's all over there will be very little left on the high street.

We've recently got big shopping  orders from our local shop. I'm not going back to those big f**kers. We have to support our small businesses, because a lot of them won't be here as this goes on.

I can't unders people constantly ordering from those amazon b******s. Never bought nothing from them and never will. Shop local. If you had a local business, how would you feel people bypassing you and heading to those big f******s?

To be fair there are local suppliers on Amazon.

Quote from: square_ball on January 27, 2021, 01:20:11 PM
We would generally eat well during the week but Christ have i a sweet tooth. The kids sweet cupboard gets raided pretty often and biscuits are my downfall. We are getting fed up with the same dinners week in week out so have taken up those Hello Fresh offers I've seen advertised so looking forward to trying those this weekend. Anyone else used them? I believe they are having problems with delivery to here due to Brexit.

I've got Hello Fresh meal a few times, normally only when they send me a 40 or 50% discount. The food is nice and definitely makes you try new things but the portions aren't great to be honest. Maybe I'm just a greedy bastard.

How many of ye grow your own veg?

Great way to eat healthier

Quote from: Don Johnson on January 29, 2021, 11:58:13 AM

Quote from: square_ball on January 27, 2021, 01:20:11 PM
We would generally eat well during the week but Christ have i a sweet tooth. The kids sweet cupboard gets raided pretty often and biscuits are my downfall. We are getting fed up with the same dinners week in week out so have taken up those Hello Fresh offers I've seen advertised so looking forward to trying those this weekend. Anyone else used them? I believe they are having problems with delivery to here due to Brexit.

I've got Hello Fresh meal a few times, normally only when they send me a 40 or 50% discount. The food is nice and definitely makes you try new things but the portions aren't great to be honest. Maybe I'm just a greedy bastard.

We had them delivered yesterday with no issues thankfully. Made them last night and tonight. Decent enough actually and good to be cooking something different from the usual dinners. Got it on a trial week for a tenner so will probably cancel and get the wife to take out a new subscription. I see what your saying about portions but they do the job for the January diet.

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 29, 2021, 08:44:42 PM
How many of ye grow your own veg?

Great way to eat healthier

Hadn't done so for a few years, but started again last spring. Varying degrees of success: tomatoes, carrots, sweet corn, onions, scallions, peppers. Plan to do similar again this year.

When you eat your own food that you've grown, you appreciate it more because it does take time and effort and you're less likely to waste them because you've put that effort in. But you're more likely to try new foods as well. A packet of seeds for a quid, bung them in the ground and see how they go. I've done that with quite a few veg. I didn't really like cucumbers or scallions until I grew my own. Now I love them.

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 11:39:13 AM

Quote from: Taylor on January 28, 2021, 11:29:52 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 28, 2021, 10:42:32 AM
People will shop amazon as they are lazy and prefer to get things cheaper...

No one can deny the handiness of online shopping, though our local butchers have seen a huge upturn in business, they have developed also and they make a lot of fresh stuff made up the night before.

Why wouldnt someone use Amazon?
Many shops are closed so you cant get some of the things local - in addition to prices being lower with them.
If local shops are open then they need to be competitive.

Reminds me a bit of the push for staycations last year - Irish companies ripped the arse out of it by charging extortionate prices

Butchers is a no brainer considering the difference in quality between them and the large corporate brands

It think its buying from Amazon, after or before lockdown is the question being asked, I noticed and mentioned on here during the first lockdown, some local shops took the piss out of their prices, there was a hike in prices, even the local Spar's and the like lifted their, Iceland and Lidil kept things the same.

My butchers worked very hard to keep their names out there and provided a delivery service also. As for butchers and quality, its very hard for butchers to compete with the big stores, buying baulk and having the facilities to freeze larger amounts will bring the price down for them. So butchers have to pay a wee bit more on quality meat.

A local Butcher struggles, my brother owned a butchers for a few years, on a busy road in Belfast many years ago, the profit margins were slim to nothing, spending an extra 5 going local will save you the hassle driving to a store, parking and walking around Stresco's!

Tuigim anois.

Quote from: BennyCake on January 29, 2021, 10:05:36 PM

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 29, 2021, 08:44:42 PM
How many of ye grow your own veg?

Great way to eat healthier

Hadn't done so for a few years, but started again last spring. Varying degrees of success: tomatoes, carrots, sweet corn, onions, scallions, peppers. Plan to do similar again this year.

When you eat your own food that you've grown, you appreciate it more because it does take time and effort and you're less likely to waste them because you've put that effort in. But you're more likely to try new foods as well. A packet of seeds for a quid, bung them in the ground and see how they go. I've done that with quite a few veg. I didn't really like cucumbers or scallions until I grew my own. Now I love them.

Nothing better than going to the garden and getting
Spuds
Lettuce
Oriental leaves
Onions
Tomatoes can take a lot of work and you need a sunny warm greenhouse
Pumpkins are great for kids carving making soup for a few weeks

We got a €75 poly tunnel 3 years ago and it has been great for growing stuff

Quote from: square_ball on January 29, 2021, 09:44:52 PM

Quote from: Don Johnson on January 29, 2021, 11:58:13 AM

Quote from: square_ball on January 27, 2021, 01:20:11 PM
We would generally eat well during the week but Christ have i a sweet tooth. The kids sweet cupboard gets raided pretty often and biscuits are my downfall. We are getting fed up with the same dinners week in week out so have taken up those Hello Fresh offers I've seen advertised so looking forward to trying those this weekend. Anyone else used them? I believe they are having problems with delivery to here due to Brexit.

I've got Hello Fresh meal a few times, normally only when they send me a 40 or 50% discount. The food is nice and definitely makes you try new things but the portions aren't great to be honest. Maybe I'm just a greedy bastard.

We had them delivered yesterday with no issues thankfully. Made them last night and tonight. Decent enough actually and good to be cooking something different from the usual dinners. Got it on a trial week for a tenner so will probably cancel and get the wife to take out a new subscription. I see what your saying about portions but they do the job for the January diet.

How does this work? You still have to cook the food yourself? Do you get a daily delivery or food for the full week?

Yeah you still have to do the cooking. Everything comes in the box for the week - meat, veg and different herbs/spices/sauces. You select on the website how many meals per week and for how many people. It was £10 for the first week and then 40% off for the next two weeks I think. It's around £30 normally for 2 people and 3 meals per week so it would work out expensive if it was outside the trial period. Still decent to use for a change.

Instead of a sober October I'm doing it in September! shorter month and all that, but we've also started this Keto diet, 7 days in, and while I crave all the food that is not allowed its been grand, well because she wants to do it I'm happy enough to let her cook away ;D

Its a bit like the atkins diet, no carbs or sugar.  Missing chocolate and potatoes and pasta and rice and all the stuff that you take for granted, but its working, well working on me, I wouldn't have much to lose, 4 pounds at a push but I'm not sure if its the diet or just staying off the drink lol

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Instead of a sober October I'm doing it in September! shorter month and all that, but we've also started this Keto diet, 7 days in, and while I crave all the food that is not allowed its been grand, well because she wants to do it I'm happy enough to let her cook away ;D

Its a bit like the atkins diet, no carbs or sugar.  Missing chocolate and potatoes and pasta and rice and all the stuff that you take for granted, but its working, well working on me, I wouldn't have much to lose, 4 pounds at a push but I'm not sure if its the diet or just staying off the drink lol

Stick at it MR you are doing yourself and us all a big favour, you'll be able to cover parts of the pitch you haven't been to in a good few years with all this extra energy you have  ;D. Myself and the mrs have been doing it for over a year now. Ive lost over 10kgs and no longer suffer from the aches and pains that I used to accept as part of getting older. I try to avoid the Keto label as its a bit cultish and stick with low carb. I totally avoid bread/flour/porridge/cereals etc and seed oils, very little starchy veg and fruit limited to berries the odd time. Very rarely drink beer and certainly no Guinness but have made up for it with the red wine. I could safely say I am my local butcher's best customer. If you fancy getting in to the weeds with it I recommend a couple of books by Mike Davis MD, "Wheat Belly" and "Undoctored".

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:10:48 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Instead of a sober October I'm doing it in September! shorter month and all that, but we've also started this Keto diet, 7 days in, and while I crave all the food that is not allowed its been grand, well because she wants to do it I'm happy enough to let her cook away ;D

Its a bit like the atkins diet, no carbs or sugar.  Missing chocolate and potatoes and pasta and rice and all the stuff that you take for granted, but its working, well working on me, I wouldn't have much to lose, 4 pounds at a push but I'm not sure if its the diet or just staying off the drink lol

Stick at it MR you are doing yourself and us all a big favour, you'll be able to cover parts of the pitch you haven't been to in a good few years with all this extra energy you have  ;D. Myself and the mrs have been doing it for over a year now. Ive lost over 10kgs and no longer suffer from the aches and pains that I used to accept as part of getting older. I try to avoid the Keto label as its a bit cultish and stick with low carb. I totally avoid bread/flour/porridge/cereals etc and seed oils, very little starchy veg and fruit limited to berries the odd time. Very rarely drink beer and certainly no Guinness but have made up for it with the red wine. I could safely say I am my local butcher's best customer. If you fancy getting in to the weeds with it I recommend a couple of books by Mike Davis MD, "Wheat Belly" and "Undoctored".

Last Man, what would a typical breakfast be?

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:10:48 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 08, 2021, 10:55:25 AM
Instead of a sober October I'm doing it in September! shorter month and all that, but we've also started this Keto diet, 7 days in, and while I crave all the food that is not allowed its been grand, well because she wants to do it I'm happy enough to let her cook away ;D

Its a bit like the atkins diet, no carbs or sugar.  Missing chocolate and potatoes and pasta and rice and all the stuff that you take for granted, but its working, well working on me, I wouldn't have much to lose, 4 pounds at a push but I'm not sure if its the diet or just staying off the drink lol

Stick at it MR you are doing yourself and us all a big favour, you'll be able to cover parts of the pitch you haven't been to in a good few years with all this extra energy you have  ;D. Myself and the mrs have been doing it for over a year now. Ive lost over 10kgs and no longer suffer from the aches and pains that I used to accept as part of getting older. I try to avoid the Keto label as its a bit cultish and stick with low carb. I totally avoid bread/flour/porridge/cereals etc and seed oils, very little starchy veg and fruit limited to berries the odd time. Very rarely drink beer and certainly no Guinness but have made up for it with the red wine. I could safely say I am my local butcher's best customer. If you fancy getting in to the weeds with it I recommend a couple of books by Mike Davis MD, "Wheat Belly" and "Undoctored".

Pretty much similar myself on the food groups, maybe more paleo diet. Essentially I'm gluten free for 6 days a week and then have my cheat day; although I wouldn't buying gluten free soy sauce over normal for example. Been at it for a 2/3 years now but cutting back on sugar makes a massive difference too. Generally I can keep the body fat at around 12-15% depending on how hard I train without being too ridged on food.

Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

When you actually read into the science of what's in cereals and their bad effects on overall health it's easier to walk away from them. I have close mates who look at me as if I'm nuts but in the last year alone are looking at BMI going the wrong way,fatty liver problems, pre and full blown diabetes, high blood pressure etc etc. And are happy to just take another tablet rather than change diet and lifestyle.

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

I will you know.. Thanks

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 01:04:26 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

You need to read up on it lad not just buy the standard NHS advice. Trust me we've been sold a pup.

Not making specific recommendations, as I'm sure there are a few choices out there when it comes to apps, but I've been using the Noom app the past few months. Tracks weight, calorie intake and exercise, giving you a recommended daily intake depending on how quickly you want to lose it and, on a daily basis, how much exercise you do. They categorize the food as well, trying to limit how much less healthy stuff you eat, but the main thing is that you cut the calories. They've other motivational stuff as well as part of the package, but I've little use for that stuff personally, although others might. Main thing for me was having a target/limit in terms of what I ate.

Worked well for me, and I didn't have to starve or completely avoid certain food types. Got 20 lbs off fairly handily over a ten week period just by being a bit disciplined in watching the calories and I'm back within healthy BMI range. I already cycle to work and so on, so that part wasn't an issue.

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 08, 2021, 01:00:13 PM

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

And also delicious 😋. Have a look at those books and loads of other on line resources, you'll be glad you did.

I havent put on a single pound in 5 years.

Porridge/banana and coffee Monday-Friday breakfast
Lunch- Leftovers(spag bol, spuds, meat, veg) plus yogurt
3 o clock bar of chocolate

6 dinner(as above)

10 -toast and butter

1 take away on Friday

moderate exercise-dont sit down much

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 01:10:55 PM

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 08, 2021, 01:00:13 PM

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

And also delicious 😋. Have a look at those books and loads of other on line resources, you'll be glad you did.

does sound nice tbh

Quote from: J70 on September 08, 2021, 01:10:40 PM
Not making specific recommendations, as I'm sure there are a few choices out there when it comes to apps, but I've been using the Noom app the past few months. Tracks weight, calorie intake and exercise, giving you a recommended daily intake depending on how quickly you want to lose it and, on a daily basis, how much exercise you do. They categorize the food as well, trying to limit how much less healthy stuff you eat, but the main thing is that you cut the calories. They've other motivational stuff as well as part of the package, but I've little use for that stuff personally, although others might. Main thing for me was having a target/limit in terms of what I ate.

Worked well for me, and I didn't have to starve or completely avoid certain food types. Got 20 lbs off fairly handily over a ten week period just by being a bit disciplined in watching the calories and I'm back within healthy BMI range. I already cycle to work and so on, so that part wasn't an issue.

It's brilliant that it worked for you but you need to be careful not to regress and undo that effort. I never count calories and eat plenty of saturated fat. I even lost 95% of my weight when the gym was closed. You just can't out run a bad diet but exercise is important to maintain muscle mass which helps with insulin sensitivity.
I need to log off and get some work done!!!

Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on September 08, 2021, 01:00:13 PM

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

That's the bit that i'm struggling with, full fat milk and cream and butter in most dinner dishes we've had this week, that said, body wise I feel great for it.

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 01:08:28 PM

Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 01:04:26 PM

Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

You need to read up on it lad not just buy the standard NHS advice. Trust me we've been sold a pup.

I've found in the past the low carb option with a cheat meal at the weekend worked best for me. Badly need to get back at it. One of the most annoying things about that type of diet is the way people react to you. If you said you were doubling the beer and takeaways at the weekend people would encourage it but you say you're cutting out bread and spuds people look at you like your mad.

Once I got past the first 3 weeks the cravings weren't as bad and it worked well with the training I was doing at the time. Lost the weight and went back playing football and the diet went back to shit again and put the weight back on. Should of went back to the gym when i quit the football but didn't. Struggling to get back to good habits again with family life etc. Ordered a rowing machine and started to learn to swim so time to get back at it.

Did anyone do the meat and nuts breakfast? Chicken and cashews first thing in the morning was hard going!

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Not making specific recommendations, as I'm sure there are a few choices out there when it comes to apps, but I've been using the Noom app the past few months. Tracks weight, calorie intake and exercise, giving you a recommended daily intake depending on how quickly you want to lose it and, on a daily basis, how much exercise you do. They categorize the food as well, trying to limit how much less healthy stuff you eat, but the main thing is that you cut the calories. They've other motivational stuff as well as part of the package, but I've little use for that stuff personally, although others might. Main thing for me was having a target/limit in terms of what I ate.

Worked well for me, and I didn't have to starve or completely avoid certain food types. Got 20 lbs off fairly handily over a ten week period just by being a bit disciplined in watching the calories and I'm back within healthy BMI range. I already cycle to work and so on, so that part wasn't an issue.

It's brilliant that it worked for you but you need to be careful not to regress and undo that effort. I never count calories and eat plenty of saturated fat. I even lost 95% of my weight when the gym was closed. You just can't out run a bad diet but exercise is important to maintain muscle mass which helps with insulin sensitivity.
I need to log off and get some work done!!!

I'll continue to track and exercise. Starting to get on a wee bit now, so there'll come a time when it will become harder to shed any excess weight, so I'd rather stick with what I've done. I've a very sweet tooth, and my killer was just casually and absent-mindedly grabbing a couple of biscuits or dipping into the jar of Halloween sweets the kids might have. That stuff adds a few hundred calories a day, and next thing six months down the line you've gained five pounds. Do it for a year or 18 months and you're a stone or more heavier again. So my main need is to be disciplined and resist the urges/cravings. The daily tracking keeps it at the forefront for me.

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Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

You need to read up on it lad not just buy the standard NHS advice. Trust me we've been sold a pup.

I've found in the past the low carb option with a cheat meal at the weekend worked best for me. Badly need to get back at it. One of the most annoying things about that type of diet is the way people react to you. If you said you were doubling the beer and takeaways at the weekend people would encourage it but you say you're cutting out bread and spuds people look at you like your mad.

Once I got past the first 3 weeks the cravings weren't as bad and it worked well with the training I was doing at the time. Lost the weight and went back playing football and the diet went back to shit again and put the weight back on. Should of went back to the gym when i quit the football but didn't. Struggling to get back to good habits again with family life etc. Ordered a rowing machine and started to learn to swim so time to get back at it.

Did anyone do the meat and nuts breakfast? Chicken and cashews first thing in the morning was hard going!

On this you can have sausages and melted cheese as breakfast!! just no big toasty wrapped around it...  :'(

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Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

You need to read up on it lad not just buy the standard NHS advice. Trust me we've been sold a pup.

I've found in the past the low carb option with a cheat meal at the weekend worked best for me. Badly need to get back at it. One of the most annoying things about that type of diet is the way people react to you. If you said you were doubling the beer and takeaways at the weekend people would encourage it but you say you're cutting out bread and spuds people look at you like your mad.

Once I got past the first 3 weeks the cravings weren't as bad and it worked well with the training I was doing at the time. Lost the weight and went back playing football and the diet went back to shit again and put the weight back on. Should of went back to the gym when i quit the football but didn't. Struggling to get back to good habits again with family life etc. Ordered a rowing machine and started to learn to swim so time to get back at it.

Did anyone do the meat and nuts breakfast? Chicken and cashews first thing in the morning was hard going!

On this you can have sausages and melted cheese as breakfast!! just no big toasty wrapped around it...  :'(

There was no dairy apart from greek yogurt on the one I did. No cheese was tough too, love the stuff.

The hardest thing was breaking food relationships, no toast with the eggs, no chips with the steak etc. Replacing tea with green tea helped the biscuit thing too, can't dunk a chocolate digestive in green tea.

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Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

You need to read up on it lad not just buy the standard NHS advice. Trust me we've been sold a pup.

I've found in the past the low carb option with a cheat meal at the weekend worked best for me. Badly need to get back at it. One of the most annoying things about that type of diet is the way people react to you. If you said you were doubling the beer and takeaways at the weekend people would encourage it but you say you're cutting out bread and spuds people look at you like your mad.

Once I got past the first 3 weeks the cravings weren't as bad and it worked well with the training I was doing at the time. Lost the weight and went back playing football and the diet went back to shit again and put the weight back on. Should of went back to the gym when i quit the football but didn't. Struggling to get back to good habits again with family life etc. Ordered a rowing machine and started to learn to swim so time to get back at it.

Did anyone do the meat and nuts breakfast? Chicken and cashews first thing in the morning was hard going!

Go easy on the healthy eating or you'll have to change your username

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Quote from: JoG2 on September 08, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Thanks. Bread is tough one to cut back on, never mind give up totally.

Of course, because it acts like a drug on your reward centres in the brain.. the whole story about healthy whole grains is horseshit as well. Give it a go for 2 weeks. Even in that short time you will lose some weight and feel better.

You need to read up on it lad not just buy the standard NHS advice. Trust me we've been sold a pup.

I've found in the past the low carb option with a cheat meal at the weekend worked best for me. Badly need to get back at it. One of the most annoying things about that type of diet is the way people react to you. If you said you were doubling the beer and takeaways at the weekend people would encourage it but you say you're cutting out bread and spuds people look at you like your mad.

Once I got past the first 3 weeks the cravings weren't as bad and it worked well with the training I was doing at the time. Lost the weight and went back playing football and the diet went back to shit again and put the weight back on. Should of went back to the gym when i quit the football but didn't. Struggling to get back to good habits again with family life etc. Ordered a rowing machine and started to learn to swim so time to get back at it.

Did anyone do the meat and nuts breakfast? Chicken and cashews first thing in the morning was hard going!

Go easy on the healthy eating or you'll have to change your username

;D

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Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

That's the bit that i'm struggling with, full fat milk and cream and butter in most dinner dishes we've had this week, that said, body wise I feel great for it.

What do you have with dinner, instead of spuds or rice or pasta. I would have one of those with every single dinner (unless having pizza or fajitas, which would be worse again presumably!)?

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Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

That's the bit that i'm struggling with, full fat milk and cream and butter in most dinner dishes we've had this week, that said, body wise I feel great for it.

What do you have with dinner, instead of spuds or rice or pasta. I would have one of those with every single dinner (unless having pizza or fajitas, which would be worse again presumably!)?

courgettes sliced make a great pasta base for lasagne, and either broccoli or cauliflower 'rice'.. you can't beat a good spud, but she made some cheesey chips the other day, not sure veg it was made from but it wasn't a carb

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Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

That's the bit that i'm struggling with, full fat milk and cream and butter in most dinner dishes we've had this week, that said, body wise I feel great for it.

What do you have with dinner, instead of spuds or rice or pasta. I would have one of those with every single dinner (unless having pizza or fajitas, which would be worse again presumably!)?

courgettes sliced make a great pasta base for lasagne, and either broccoli or cauliflower 'rice'.. you can't beat a good spud, but she made some cheesey chips the other day, not sure veg it was made from but it wasn't a carb

The cougetti spaggetti is a good one. Brocolli and cauliflower mashed up with plenty of butter was a decent mash substitute too. You'll have to find out what the chips were, sounds good.

They have a product in Aldi, frozen Parsnip batons. You roast these (handy if something else is the oven), you could almost eat them as chips.

The father in law is a 72 year old farmer and he has some great advice - eat less, eat less crap, exercise more. No gyms, books or apps required for him. I have ignored all of that advice obviously.

Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 08, 2021, 06:55:56 PM
The father in law is a 72 year old farmer and he has some great advice - eat less, eat less crap, exercise more. No gyms, books or apps required for him. I have ignored all of that advice obviously.

It's easy when you're a farmer, exercising every muscle in your body most days.

I grew up on a farm and didn't have a pick on me until my late 20s, around about the time the auld packed in the farming. Things went downhill after that! :)

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Quote from: Last Man on September 08, 2021, 12:50:28 PM
Might just have a coffee with double cream/ couple of eggs with butter and salt or Natural yogurt with a few berries but more often than not I don't bother with anything till lunch at 12.30. Carbs really do drive the hunger! I go to the gym at 6.30 with nothing more than a pint of water in me. No issues at all.

Doent sound the healthiest.

Double cream and salt?

That's the bit that i'm struggling with, full fat milk and cream and butter in most dinner dishes we've had this week, that said, body wise I feel great for it.

What do you have with dinner, instead of spuds or rice or pasta. I would have one of those with every single dinner (unless having pizza or fajitas, which would be worse again presumably!)?

courgettes sliced make a great pasta base for lasagne, and either broccoli or cauliflower 'rice'.. you can't beat a good spud, but she made some cheesey chips the other day, not sure veg it was made from but it wasn't a carb

The cougetti spaggetti is a good one. Brocolli and cauliflower mashed up with plenty of butter was a decent mash substitute too. You'll have to find out what the chips were, sounds good.

It was Turnip chips!! Tasty, so making steak,  those chips,  homemade pepper sauce and veg trimmings on Friday!!

Your occupation is everything. More and more people work at a desk now. It's hard to make up the calorie deficit after sitting down all day.

For any of you who are interested this site is worth a look.
Www.Prolongevity.co.uk
From one of their blog posts:

It seems that every TV commercial tells us we aren't happy, and all we need do is to "buy this and we'll be happy". Many of us have been brain washed into believing that all these fast food, confectionery and fad diet companies can make us happier versions of ourselves.

But this couldn't be further from the truth!

The food industry makes huge profits form selling highly processed foods that not only affects our bodies physically, but also has an impact on our mental state too.  Companies like McDonalds, Pizza Hut and KFC pump their products full of sugar, salt and additives that simulates our brain's addictive  pathways much in the same way as well-known drugs of addiction like cocaine.

In short, fast food is genuinely addictive. 

Processed foods  are also high in sugars, carbs and seed oils a lethal combination which lead you on the path towards pre-diabetes, type2 diabetes, heart disease, dementia and even some cancers (the list could go on)

But making small lifestyle changes with ProLongevity is your solution. To find plenty of free articles, videos and advice from "the Pharmacist who Gave Up Drugs (Graham Phillips) our founder who has been a registered Pharmacist for more than 35 years, head over to our Facebook group

Click here to join: https://www.facebook.com/groups/278916313071738/

#ProLongevity #foodfads #healthyliving #eatclean #fastfood #healthyliving #healthyfood #balanceddiet #advertising

Quote from: Last Man on September 09, 2021, 04:00:23 PM
For any of you who are interested this site is worth a look.
Www.Prolongevity.co.uk
From one of their blog posts:

It seems that every TV commercial tells us we aren't happy, and all we need do is to "buy this and we'll be happy". Many of us have been brain washed into believing that all these fast food, confectionery and fad diet companies can make us happier versions of ourselves.

But this couldn't be further from the truth!

The food industry makes huge profits form selling highly processed foods that not only affects our bodies physically, but also has an impact on our mental state too.  Companies like McDonalds, Pizza Hut and KFC pump their products full of sugar, salt and additives that simulates our brain's addictive  pathways much in the same way as well-known drugs of addiction like cocaine.

In short, fast food is genuinely addictive. 

Processed foods  are also high in sugars, carbs and seed oils a lethal combination which lead you on the path towards pre-diabetes, type2 diabetes, heart disease, dementia and even some cancers (the list could go on)

But making small lifestyle changes with ProLongevity is your solution. To find plenty of free articles, videos and advice from "the Pharmacist who Gave Up Drugs (Graham Phillips) our founder who has been a registered Pharmacist for more than 35 years, head over to our Facebook group

Click here to join: https://www.facebook.com/groups/278916313071738/

#ProLongevity #foodfads #healthyliving #eatclean #fastfood #healthyliving #healthyfood #balanceddiet #advertising

Ah the irony

Last Man, have you ever read any of Charlie Spedding's stuff?

Quote from: No1 on September 09, 2021, 06:09:04 PM
Last Man, have you ever read any of Charlie Spedding's stuff?

He's been recommended but haven't got to him yet. I've gone down a bit of a rabbit hole with this stuff a few weeks after the lockdowns began when I realised we have to take responsibility for our own health amidst this shit show. It's truly disturbing the more you read into it and how we've been duped in terms of our health although it has put C0v1d in perspective and I really couldn't care less about it any more. Just wish I'd realised all this 20 or 30 years ago when I look at the state of some of my older relatives and torture they have to go through.

I'm 193cm tall and 80 kg would be my premium sporting activity weight.
For unknown reasons at the time, but for the past 3 years I gradually put on weight, going from 85kg to 113kg  without any proportional change in diet
I'm a lifelong  vegetarian since aged 15 y.o..
I made some changes to my diet in the direction of 'veganicity'. I replaced much loved foods like butter, milk and cheese with non dairy options, that actually was a painless transition.
I cut out  a most beloved large plate of chips for supper, but what had hurt the most and still does to an extent are Crisps. I use to open a 150gr pack and  chomp until  empty some 3 times a week.  And Crisps are the only forsaken product that I still have a craving for,  gives me the twang of nostalgia   when passing by when shopping. Pretty much I eat the same amount now but with no snacks in between meals. In two months I went from 113kg to 96kg.  I'm aiming for 85 - 88kg  whichever I land on. However the descent has slowed down from 2kg weekly to about 300gr - 500gr weekly. The hard grams.

Quote from: Main Street on September 10, 2021, 10:19:05 PM
I'm 193cm tall and 80 kg would be my premium sporting activity weight.
For unknown reasons at the time, but for the past 3 years I gradually put on weight, going from 85kg to 113kg  without any proportional change in diet
I'm a lifelong  vegetarian since aged 15 y.o..
I made some changes to my diet in the direction of 'veganicity'. I replaced much loved foods like butter, milk and cheese with non dairy options, that actually was a painless transition.
I cut out  a most beloved large plate of chips for supper, but what had hurt the most and still does to an extent are Crisps. I use to open a 150gr pack and  chomp until  empty some 3 times a week.  And Crisps are the only forsaken product that I still have a craving for,  gives me the twang of nostalgia   when passing by when shopping. Pretty much I eat the same amount now but with no snacks in between meals. In two months I went from 113kg to 96kg.  I'm aiming for 85 - 88kg  whichever I land on. However the descent has slowed down from 2kg weekly to about 300gr - 500gr weekly. The hard grams.

What's that in old money

None of your imperialism here!
That plonk Tubridy on the Late Kate showcases one of the guests who mentioned weight loss to give his weight in stones, this the not the 1950s ffs.

Quote from: armaghniac on September 11, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
None of your imperialism here!
That plonk Tubridy on the Late Kate showcases one of the guests who mentioned weight loss to give his weight in stones, this the not the 1950s ffs.

Nobody can make me learn weight and height in kg and cm. Stones, lbs and feet please.

A desire to live in the imperial world of previous centuries is especially common in the northern part of the country, especially Antrim.

Quote from: armaghniac on September 11, 2021, 01:03:37 PM
A desire to live in the imperial world of previous centuries is especially common in the northern part of the country, especially Antrim.

Think you'll find Donegal is more Northern, but whatever floats your boat

Vegatarian for 20 years and I dont eat junk food or take sugary drinks. I used to love crisps but off them now for three years, would eat dulse to replace that salty craven. 5-11 172 lbs weigh myself every morning to make sure i don't go above that number. Every once in a while ill not eat anything for 24 hour periods.

Quote from: Main Street on September 10, 2021, 10:19:05 PM
I'm 193cm tall and 80 kg would be my premium sporting activity weight.
For unknown reasons at the time, but for the past 3 years I gradually put on weight, going from 85kg to 113kg  without any proportional change in diet
I'm a lifelong  vegetarian since aged 15 y.o..
I made some changes to my diet in the direction of 'veganicity'. I replaced much loved foods like butter, milk and cheese with non dairy options, that actually was a painless transition.
I cut out  a most beloved large plate of chips for supper, but what had hurt the most and still does to an extent are Crisps. I use to open a 150gr pack and  chomp until  empty some 3 times a week.  And Crisps are the only forsaken product that I still have a craving for,  gives me the twang of nostalgia   when passing by when shopping. Pretty much I eat the same amount now but with no snacks in between meals. In two months I went from 113kg to 96kg.  I'm aiming for 85 - 88kg  whichever I land on. However the descent has slowed down from 2kg weekly to about 300gr - 500gr weekly. The hard grams.

You need to be very careful with those so called vegetable fats derived from seed oils, very nasty stuff. Do you supplement for all the vitamins and minerals you are missing from animal products?

Quote from: Last Man on September 12, 2021, 12:21:40 PM

Quote from: Main Street on September 10, 2021, 10:19:05 PM
I'm 193cm tall and 80 kg would be my premium sporting activity weight.
For unknown reasons at the time, but for the past 3 years I gradually put on weight, going from 85kg to 113kg  without any proportional change in diet
I'm a lifelong  vegetarian since aged 15 y.o..
I made some changes to my diet in the direction of 'veganicity'. I replaced much loved foods like butter, milk and cheese with non dairy options, that actually was a painless transition.
I cut out  a most beloved large plate of chips for supper, but what had hurt the most and still does to an extent are Crisps. I use to open a 150gr pack and  chomp until  empty some 3 times a week.  And Crisps are the only forsaken product that I still have a craving for,  gives me the twang of nostalgia   when passing by when shopping. Pretty much I eat the same amount now but with no snacks in between meals. In two months I went from 113kg to 96kg.  I'm aiming for 85 - 88kg  whichever I land on. However the descent has slowed down from 2kg weekly to about 300gr - 500gr weekly. The hard grams.

You need to be very careful with those so called vegetable fats derived from seed oils, very nasty stuff. Do you supplement for all the vitamins and minerals you are missing from animal products?

I don't need to be very careful, just a bit sensible as a carnivore should also be. The likely suspect nutritional achilles heel in a vegetarian diet is B12. I supplement breakfast with yeast flakes, and daily consume a dose of an algae powder, which has all the nutrition the body needs in perfect proportion, albeit small amounts in a daily dose.  Though as standard  practice I don't take allopathic medicine, I do believe people should not hesitate with having a comprehensive annual check up.

Last year did a couple weeks vegetarian, few days vegan within that, I found it easier, recipe wise, than this keto one. Though with her doing the dinners I just have to turn up  ;D

I've a friend that's vegan, she's also a triathlete having completed many Ironman competitions, she would I'd imagine take supplements. She trains 3 hours a day do she's obviously finding her diet good enough for keeping her strength up.

I'd like to do a mix, reduce red meat (not good for my gout) continue to make my own sauces and reduce the carbs content, cut out a lot of the sugars (chocolate is my Achilles)

After my sober September is over I'll be having a drink Friday and Saturday, moderation the key!

I would take a B12 vitamin everyday and I would notice it if I missed out for a week or so. Keeping your blood alkalinity right is hugely important for your amune system. So what you drink is huge also. I buy water with a high ph level even use it in tea and coffee.

20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped 

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped

Ha, more meat on Good Friday. How tall are you?

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped

Being off the Guinness no doubt MR, stouts are the worst of them all in terms of sugar content. Noticed any other improvements bar the weight?

Smoothies, nuts, seeds, select fruit and a milk substitute a good way to start the day? Knock the cereal and toast on the head

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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped

Ha, more meat on Good Friday. How tall are you?

I'm not tall, 5'6 so losing a stone is a lot on me

Quote from: Last Man on September 20, 2021, 12:28:47 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped

Being off the Guinness no doubt MR, stouts are the worst of them all in terms of sugar content. Noticed any other improvements bar the weight?

Feeling good health wise, no aches or pains in a busy schedule of refereeing so, but Ive been lucky in that dept. sleep is pretty much the same as I'm a great sleeper

Miss the Guinness to be fair but had friends round yesterday afternoon and made them gins and so on and I'd a cup of tea, so wasn't a big miss, but I'd love a wee glass of red at 9 just to set me off to bed!

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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on September 20, 2021, 11:11:12 AM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped

Ha, more meat on Good Friday. How tall are you?

I'm not tall, 5'6 so losing a stone is a lot on me

Quote from: Last Man on September 20, 2021, 12:28:47 PM

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 20, 2021, 10:43:52 AM
20 days in on this diet, weighed myself for the first time, never normally would, but was keen to find out, 1 stone lighter, from 12 down to 11.

Haven't been to the gym since they closed, so intend to go after the season finishes, so no doubt that will change things also..I'd imagine if you were heavier you'd loose a lot more over that period.

I think being off drink has also helped

Being off the Guinness no doubt MR, stouts are the worst of them all in terms of sugar content. Noticed any other improvements bar the weight?

Feeling good health wise, no aches or pains in a busy schedule of refereeing so, but Ive been lucky in that dept. sleep is pretty much the same as I'm a great sleeper

Miss the Guinness to be fair but had friends round yesterday afternoon and made them gins and so on and I'd a cup of tea, so wasn't a big miss, but I'd love a wee glass of red at 9 just to set me off to bed!

I drink a lot more red wine now but dont bother with Guiness or whiskey at all and rarely have a beer so all things being equal I am probably slightly down on the alcohol overall.
Met up with mates on saturday for lunch and tried to evangelise my new found healthy diet, considering one has T2 diabetes and another various cardiac issues, they both think I'm nuts!
Maybe they're right but I am sticking with this for now.

Last day of the diet and drinking ban for the month....

Plenty of positives throughout the month, the negatives being food planning and having a big enough fridge to keep the stuff you need !!

I'll probably keep some aspects of the Keto diet going forward and in time reduce a lot of the crap intake

Lost well over a stone, I didn't really need to lose any weight if I'm being honest, I was more into the cutting out sugars and carbs and alcohol..