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Non GAA Discussion => General discussion => Topic started by: seamusmacdomhnaill on October 11, 2011, 09:19:31 PM

Title: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: seamusmacdomhnaill on October 11, 2011, 09:19:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15246208

Dominic Bradley sanctioned by speaker after Irish row


Stormont Speaker William Hay has told the SDLP's Dominic Bradley he will not be called to speak in the assembly chamber for some time.

He accused the MLA of launching a "vicious challenge" on the authority of one of the deputy speakers.

Mr Bradley clashed with the UUP's Roy Beggs, after Mr Beggs said the Newry and Armagh MLA had been talking for too long without asking a question.

Mr Beggs asked Mr Bradley to hurry up.

Mr Bradley replied that he had been asking a question when he had been interrupted.

He continued to speak in Irish after being asked to sit down by Mr Beggs, and at one point said he was "challenging the chair".

Mr Hay's response is similar to the action taken against the TUV leader Jim Allister last month.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 11, 2011, 09:21:06 PM
Quote from: seamusmacdomhnaill on October 11, 2011, 09:19:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15246208

Dominic Bradley sanctioned by speaker after Irish row


Stormont Speaker William Hay has told the SDLP's Dominic Bradley he will not be called to speak in the assembly chamber for some time.

He accused the MLA of launching a "vicious challenge" on the authority of one of the deputy speakers.

Mr Bradley clashed with the UUP's Roy Beggs, after Mr Beggs said the Newry and Armagh MLA had been talking for too long without asking a question.

Mr Beggs asked Mr Bradley to hurry up.

Mr Bradley replied that he had been asking a question when he had been interrupted.

He continued to speak in Irish after being asked to sit down by Mr Beggs, and at one point said he was "challenging the chair".

Mr Hay's response is similar to the action taken against the TUV leader Jim Allister last month.
Was Jim Allister speaking in Irish?
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: seamusmacdomhnaill on October 11, 2011, 09:23:43 PM
nil fhios agam, the report is from bbk
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: Orangemac on October 11, 2011, 10:03:43 PM
Should Ulster Scots be spoke in Stormont as well (maybe it is, how would we know?) if Irish is?

This BS going on when services are being cut and businesses are going under is a joke. How much is spent on translating documents into Irish/Ulster Scots.

Is there anyone in the North who can't speak English? I know Dominic Bradley is fluent in Irish but what little chance there is of having an effective gov in the North is not helped by this carry on.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: tyssam5 on October 11, 2011, 10:11:18 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on October 11, 2011, 10:03:43 PM
Should Ulster Scots be spoke in Stormont as well (maybe it is, how would we know?) if Irish is?

This BS going on when services are being cut and businesses are going under is a joke. How much is spent on translating documents into Irish/Ulster Scots.Is there anyone in the North who can't speak English? I know Dominic Bradley is fluent in Irish but what little chance there is of having an effective gov in the North is not helped by this carry on.

What machocist would read those proceedings whether they were in English, Irish, Japanese or Serbo-Croatian? Waste of money, put the money into education if it's to be spent on the language.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: 5 Sams on October 11, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
Quote from: Orangemac on October 11, 2011, 10:03:43 PM
Should Ulster Scots be spoke in Stormont as well (maybe it is, how would we know?) if Irish is?

This BS going on when services are being cut and businesses are going under is a joke. How much is spent on translating documents into Irish/Ulster Scots.

Is there anyone in the North who can't speak English? I know Dominic Bradley is fluent in Irish but what little chance there is of having an effective gov in the North is not helped by this carry on.

Yep they all work in LIDL.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: seamusmacdomhnaill on October 11, 2011, 10:20:38 PM
International evidence has long indicated that children who are being educated through a second language tend to do as well, if not better, in their first language (in our case English), while also becoming fluent in both languages. Information based on research carried out in countries throughout the world consistently indicates enhanced performance of children who are educated bi-lingually. This advantage is observed across a wide range of subjects.

"Recent figures from the Department of Education, in relation to scores in English and Maths, over that last three years, have demonstrated that this advantage may also be the case in Irish language schools" said Dr Réamaí Mathers from Iontaobhas na Gaelscolaíochta, The Trust Fund For Irish-Medium Education.

"When we looked at data from the years from 2005/6-2007/8 in relation to Key Stage 2 results in English (primary 7), Irish-medium schools have achieved higher score averages every year, both at the level 4 category and the highest level 5 category, than non Irish-medium schools. Indeed in the last two years Irish-medium students' results, which are heavily biased towards a lower socio-economic group (due to the high number of inner city schools), have produced a higher outcome for level 4 and level 5 when compared to the average across all Northern Ireland primary schools.

"In relation to Maths it also seems that Irish-medium schools are out-performing their English medium counterparts in the same category, according to these Department of Education statistics. These results, when reviewed along with international research from all over the world give us the strongest indication yet of the efficacy of learning through Irish". said Dr Mathers.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: LeoMc on October 11, 2011, 10:41:18 PM
Are you going to make children read Stormont reports. You should be reported to Childline.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: armaghniac on October 11, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
Quotes there anyone in the North who can't speak English?

Is there anyone in the North who doesn't know the tune of God Save the Queen? Does that mean that everyone should be required sing it?
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 11, 2011, 10:52:38 PM
These clowns need to wise up. They live in cloud cuckoo land. Time represent the people and leave the petty squabbles to the kids in the playground. Pandering to the "rights" lobby is wasting hundreds of millions instead of targeting money towards the rights of people who deserve it.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: Orangemac on October 11, 2011, 11:04:37 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 11, 2011, 10:48:21 PM
Quotes there anyone in the North who can't speak English?

Is there anyone in the North who doesn't know the tune of God Save the Queen? Does that mean that everyone should be required sing it?
Irish language should be promoted and the Irish speaking schools have a good reputation in terms of standard of teaching but a government cannot function if only 1 person debating understands what is being said.

Irish language (or Ulster Scots) courses should be free to anyone that wants tem but pointlessly spending hundreds of thousands on translating documents no one is going to read has to stop.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: armaghniac on October 11, 2011, 11:12:28 PM
If a person wishes to speak Irish in Ireland then they should not be required by a public body to do otherwise. The whole thing is just to makes sure that the plantation of Ulster continues.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 11, 2011, 11:17:50 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 11, 2011, 11:12:28 PM
If a person wishes to speak Irish in Ireland then they should not be required by a public body to do otherwise. The whole thing is just to makes sure that the plantation of Ulster continues.
No it's so that people can understand what they are saying. Also, do you really think any of these assholes are speaking in Irish or Ulster Scots to promote the language. They do it to antagonise themmuns.

Time for a couple of tablets and lie down in a dark room for you.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: armaghniac on October 11, 2011, 11:25:57 PM
Willie Hay and his fellow travellers have done their utmost to extinguish Irish culture. Running people through with pikes and the like is no longer entirely acceptable so they just refuse to learn Irish and then claim that other people are discriminating against them and that it is somehow sectarian to speak Irish or have the original name of place on a roadsign. The object is the same, just the methods have had to be toned down.

Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: Tony Baloney on October 11, 2011, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on October 11, 2011, 11:25:57 PM
Willie Hay and his fellow travellers have done their utmost to extinguish Irish culture. Running people through with pikes and the like is no longer entirely acceptable so they just refuse to learn Irish and then claim that other people are discriminating against them and that it is somehow sectarian to speak Irish or have the original name of place on a roadsign. The object is the same, just the methods have had to be toned down.
Can we have the original Viking names on roadsigns too? Let's be fair to everyone, I'm sure you've noticed money is no object.
Title: Re: Shared future for all, as long as you’re not a gaeilgeoir!
Post by: lawnseed on October 11, 2011, 11:48:50 PM
Quote from: seamusmacdomhnaill on October 11, 2011, 09:19:31 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15246208

Dominic Bradley sanctioned by speaker after Irish row


Stormont Speaker William Hay has told the SDLP's Dominic Bradley he will not be called to speak in the assembly chamber for some time.

He accused the MLA of launching a "vicious challenge" on the authority of one of the deputy speakers.

Mr Bradley clashed with the UUP's Roy Beggs, after Mr Beggs said the Newry and Armagh MLA had been talking for too long without asking a question.

Mr Beggs asked Mr Bradley to hurry up.

Mr Bradley replied that he had been asking a question when he had been interrupted.

He continued to speak in Irish after being asked to sit down by Mr Beggs, and at one point said he was "challenging the chair".

Mr Hay's response is similar to the action taken against the TUV leader Jim Allister last month.
in fairness.. bradley was putting them to sleep