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What happens if Dublin draw Kildare
Kerry draw cork.
donegal limerick is out next so cork play donegal and kerry v limerick.
Leaving Tyrone/Roscommon v Mayo which isn't allowed to happen?? 

A million miles away the last day so hope to get closer today!

The Sheep Stealers:
             
                G Claffey;

S McDermott, N Carty, S Purcell;

D Keenan, P Domican, D Ward;

   M Finneran, K Mannion;

S O'Grady, K Higgins, C Cregg;

C Devaney, S Kilbride, D Shine.

There will be changes to that. Whats the news on Ward. Injured or not? Devaney, O'Grady and to a small extent Kilbride are under-pressure. The threat in this team is Domican, Ward, Mannion, maybe Finneran and Cregg and obviously Shine.

The Sam Stealers :
            Packie

Gormely    Joe       Swift      (Safest positions on the team.)

Philly      Ricey    Red Sean   (Ricey under pressure from Justy, think he'll last)

        Hub     Sean              (Probably remain, would prefer to see Colm and Sean switch)

Colm     Harte     BMcG        (Safe, a good HF line)

          Ducky

   Tommy     Penrose         (One of these will make may for Penrose, Could be Coney.)

Would imagine Joe will take Shine, Gormley on Kilbride, Swift will sweep as Devaney does the same. Either that or Swift will pick up Higgins while Ricey takes the free role. Would prefer to see Red Sean in the free role, good passer, good engine, worst defender of the three. Philly will probably manage Cregg, the best rossie HF. Colm, Hub, Sean will play a 3 man midfield. Colm could be moved onto Mannion to negate his aerial prowess as Sean is not a great competitor at fielding and Hub, whilst strong is not the tallest. Roscommon with some dominance will boom kickouts long. Tyrone with the spare man will take them short. Domican will take pete with Ward trying to tire Mcguigan. Don't know anything about rossie FB line. Would imagine if Coney starts the FB will take him. Ducky, the hardest working of any FF trio plays in a more outfield role, hassling opponents and drifting into the hf line to win ball.

Tyrone by 2. 13 - 11.

Fixed for croker on sat

Official? Who with? Would have preferred Cavan or sligo.

Justy: Good, will be back in a starting role before long.
Penrose: Speedy, showed well. What the FF line was crying out for.
Dooher: Not really involved. Had no telling influence on the game.
Davy Harte: Same as Dooher but 2 great subs to be able to bring in.

Agree with a lot but I'd take issue with a few things here.

1 - BJP only scored a point v Joe. Joe was masterful throughout.
2 - I though Brian McGuigan was involved in a lot of good, especially in the second half when Armagh reeled off those three points at the start. He then got on the ball and settled things.
3 - Mark Donnelly rarely wasted possession. Yes, he's not your typical no.14 but sure when was the last time Tyrone had a typical anything. 1-17 and 2-13 suggests they're doing OK (despite the wides) and Donnelly has been involved in so many good things. The ball sticks to him.
4 - Thought Tommy was excellent close to goal. A real target man.
5 - Dooher was heavily involved in those last 10 minutes. Probably saw more ball than anyone.

1- I stand corrected but I'm measuring Joe to his own high standards. His display against Monaghan was the finest bit of defending I've seen in 6-7 years. A perfect performance and I mean perfect. However the teams have gotten better since then so it is no real surprise his performances haven't been just as good.
2- Also true. Its just the change in position from CHF to WHF has changed the demands on him. He fought well, especially considering he had McKeever up his ass all day but just not the old swash-buckling BMcG of old. In retrospect I may have judged him harshly but I think there's more in him.

3 and 4: Are really the one problem. I don't believe that these guys are a fearsome inside unit. Gone are the days of Mugsy, PTG, SON, even Sean C mauling of the dubs '08 springs to mind. Apart from Coney I see no exceptionally talented FF's there and even he has some way to go. When Tyrone were under the cosh in the first half, up until the goal, Tommy and Mark were second to alot of ball inside and didn't offer us enough. In those testing moments of the match it was Gormley, Joe, philly, BMcG, Colm and Harte who really shone. I worry that in future matches, in Croker against Kerry/Cork/Dublin these boys won't feature strongly enough and once again our FF line will be our undoing. We won't be playing the likes of Armagh again, the teams left are all a step, or several steps, above.

5: Dooher is calm collected and assured in possession. He slows the game, builds the phases and rarely wastes possession. The ideal man to see out a game e.g. yesterday. However he is no game changer now and I would fear for him being introduced in an environment where Tyrone are behind and we have to go chasing. Those lung busting runs are not as frequent, those miracle points a rarity and killer passing is not his forte.

Which armagh poster was it who said about clarke making hay against old man gormley  

Anyone who watches errigal regularly will know what peter harte is capable of.  For a long time there has been as much excitement about his potential as there was about canavan.  He will undoubtedly go on to become one of the finest footballers in ireland.

Any word on whether Mc Keever, Toner or Swift will be back?

The most likely would be Swift, he was togged out last night and had his football gloves at the ready so he must be close. I'd throw him in for Lavery myself. Looked like Ciaran was still limping last night and I'd be surprised if he plays. Don't so sure about Toner.

The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow.

As an Armagh man I really hope that Gormley marks Clarke. There's joy to be had there.

Mc Connell: Good performance. Kick outs not a highlight. Good shot-stopping. Assured on the ball.

Ricey: Thought he was breaking even with McDonnell. Unlucky with the card. Subbing was straightforward. Will be back for the rossies.

Joe: Very good, assured on the ball made a goal though conceded a few points to BJP and could be faulted for the penalty. 2nd best Tyrone player though.

Swift: Broke even with O'Rourke in the first twenty-five, dominated thereafter. Great point. Stupid mistake blotted the copy book though. Developing well if he can cut out the killer mistakes.

Red Sean: Great passing, poor shooting, middling runs. Solid if uninspired performance. Could be under pressure.

Gormley: Excellent. Jamie Clarke held scoreless. Along with Joe a fantastic reader of the game. Slower than his younger self but making up the difference with experience. With Swift and Joe they make one of the most formidable back lines in Ireland. Only Kildare surpass them.

Jordan: Unspectacular but vital player. Ugly day for him but covered an expanse of ground. From one 13 to the other over and over again. Has the safest position on the team.  Makes this side tick. Make no mistake, Tyrone's success depends upon him playing to his potential for the remainder of the campaign.

Hub: Average. Shooting is frustrating in the extreme. Needs to be told he's no PTG and to just fist the ball over the bar. And then go away and practice that. On the flipside fielding and workrate very good.

Sean: Hard to call. Most noticeably whinges alot but breaks ball well at MF and wins important frees by those hammering runs. Most teams realise fouling him is the only way to stop him, so keep it up Sean. Would like to see a greater scoring return.

Colm: Very good. Broke ball round the middle, caught well. Better than usual. Him and Hub make a very capable fielding partnership.

Brian: Played on the wing in fits and starts. Wayward shooting/passing combined with excellent shooting/passing. Heard someone say "the Mc Guigans only played when the game was won." Some truth in that. Capable of better.

Peter Harte: MOTM. kicked frees, kicked points, made goals, won about 3 consecutive breaking ball, bursting runs through the middle. Fought for possession. Exceeded all expectations.

Coney: Hit a good point early in the half. Pulled everywhere by Moriarty but you got to expect that at senior level. Either win your free or shake him free. Easily outshone Harte at minor level so is capable of so much more. Should feature on saturday.

Mark Donnelly: Going to go against the grain here but I don't think this guy is up to it. Kicked a point when Armagh where under fierce pressure and the game was won. Besides that had some poor passes/wides. Too ponder-some on the ball, needs to be more confident. Not a free scoring, ball winning forward and we will meet better defences than Armagh's. May make a decent half-forward but there is no room for him in that line at the moment.

Tommy: Hot and cold. Very talented but not used to making runs inside. Will not trouble v. good defences. First start so he should be given time but it undecided as yet. a few confident performances will improve him immensely.

Justy: Good, will be back in a starting role before long.
Penrose: Speedy, showed well. What the FF line was crying out for.
Dooher: Not really involved. Had no telling influence on the game.
Davy Harte: Same as Dooher but 2 great subs to be able to bring in.

Yeah its not actually an open skull just matted hair, added the photo to show what kind of animals these perpetrators are.

Ah now lads, the banter was good here. Don't let it turn nasty.

The f**king ex hogan-standers are turning this board to shit.

There is not a chance Block will mark Clarke.

It will be either PJ, McCaul, Swift or Carlin depending on who shows in training.

It will be more about stopping the ball coming in to him as there is not a lot you can do with him once he's in possession.

Funny how for years we worried about McDonnell, now it's all about JC. If Ronan Clarke got back in action that would prob be the best FF line in Ireland.

Big test for Tyrone, if both teams played to 100% , I blieve we have a good chance of winning. It;ls what Tyrone turns out though - the 17/18 wide Tyrone or the composed, take the percentage score Tyrone.

One of the biggest issues is the lack of a right footed free taker. Hopefull in the next few years R O'Neill will solve that problem.

No chance you say! Wanna bet?   

Neither PJ, McCaul or Swift warranted a starting place or a appearance last week, to suggest that they will be parachuted in to mark one the top forwards in the championship is total bull. Carlin is seen as a wing back not a top defender by MH.

The rest is right enough.

[Which will probably become:]

Last days line-ups:

                              P McConnell

C Gormley,               Joe McMahon,                    D Carlin

R McMenamin,            Justin McMahon,                P Jordan
           
                 A Cassidy,         S Cavanagh

C Cavanagh                   B McGuigan,                P Harte

M Penrose                    M Donnelly                 K Coney.

Which will probably become:
                              P McConnell

  C Gormley,              Joe McMahon,                 R McMenamin,

d carlin,         Justin McMahon,                P Jordan.
           
                 A Cassidy,         Colm Cavanagh

Sean Cavanagh                   B McGuigan,                P Harte

M Penrose                    M Donnelly                 K Coney/SON     

I personally would like to see Coney wear 14 and Sparky in the corner.

Armagh likely:

                               1. Paul Hearty
2. Andy Mallon         3. Brendan Donaghy             4. Duffy 
5. Aaron Kernan          6. Kevin Dyas             7. Finnian Moriarity
              8. James Lavery            9. Charlie Vernon
10 Johnny Hanratty          11 Tony kernan          12. Malachy Mackin
13. Micheal O'Rourke         14. Steven McDonnell      15. Jamie Clarke


The tactics: Block shall take the dangerman Clarke. Sad to think that in 8 years of success we can't find a top class man-marking corner back but anyhow. Mackin usually moves in as a FF so Joe or possibly Justy will take him. Ricey shall follow Stevey out the pitch a la 2009. The remaining McMahon picks up TK and Carlin follow MOR. That leaves Jordan on Hanratty but I imagine Tyrone's 3 midfielders will mark Armagh's 3. Vernon and Sean will probably be kept parted. I would imagine P Harte will go to CHF where he played so well the last day. For that reason brian mc guigan could be dropped in favour of someone experienced in the wing forward role.

edit: could someone guess the armagh defence?

The height of tonight's rioting seems to be originating from mainly nationalist areas as opposed to the previous rioting from the loyalist side. Bit of one-up-manship perhaps? 

Why is Nationalsim/Republicanism so synonymous with Left wing politics? Both Nationalist parties in the North are socialist/liberal. If a nationalist/republican had a slightly more conservative political outlook they would find themselves completely unrepresented.

Because the Empire would have been perceived as Capitalist and right wing and Nationalists/Republicans assumed they must be the opposite.

Given the Brits were mainly heterosexual, it is surprising that we aren't all devout lesbians.

There probably was but given their outlook they all died off.

Transformers: too long. The robots are the best actors in it.