Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?

[Rossfan]

I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.

Which group provides the money? Maybe look there

The armchair TV* fan provides no money directly.
The occasional, big game or Inter Co championship game spectator still has the same games to pay in to.

* TV companies still paying for media rights to show the games.

[seafoid]

I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.

Which group provides the money? Maybe look there

The armchair TV* fan provides no money directly.
The occasional, big game or Inter Co championship game spectator still has the same games to pay in to.

* TV companies still paying for media rights to show the games.

Ads designed to get the eyes of the armchair fan are significant in terms of revenue.

[Rossfan]

But there are still the same amount of big GAA games, just shorter gaps between them.

[seafoid]

But there are still the same amount of big GAA games, just shorter gaps between them.

Less overall focus so smaller budgets.
Let's see how the experiment looks in the GAA's accounts.

[Franko]

I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.

Which group provides the money? Maybe look there

The money is for nothing if the grassroots volunteers and club players don't exist.

[Franko]

I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.

Which group provides the money? Maybe look there

The armchair TV* fan provides no money directly.
The occasional, big game or Inter Co championship game spectator still has the same games to pay in to.

* TV companies still paying for media rights to show the games.

Ads designed to get the eyes of the armchair fan are significant in terms of revenue.

How significant?  Do you have a breakdown of how much this is costing in terms of this revenue stream?

Do you have any understanding of how quickly the whole house of cards collapses if the bottom row ceases to exist?

Have you ever set foot inside your local GAA club in the past 20 years?  Do you even have one?

[Captain Scarlet]

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https://www.rte.ie/learn/senior-cycle/2021/0506/1214217-im-fine-rte-player-mental-health/

[seafoid]

from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

[From the Bunker]

gaa has a lot to compete with these days

One of them being that a lot of the "problems" are imaginary

It all depends on where you live. If you live in rural Ireland then Gaelic Football is probably the only team sport in your area.

[Franko]

from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

So what's the estimate for the £19.6m figure now?

Are we talking a decrease of 10%? 50%?

Give us a few numbers here.

Have we any idea of the gate receipts for the club games?

I'd have expected a modest increase here, given that they're the only show in town atm

If you can present some hard facts, then it can be debated

Otherwise, continuing to argue this point is a bit of a waste of time

[seafoid]

from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

So what's the estimate for the £19.6m figure now?

Are we talking a decrease of 10%? 50%?

Give us a few numbers here.

Have we any idea of the gate receipts for the club games?

I'd have expected a modest increase here, given that they're the only show in town atm

If you can present some hard facts, then it can be debated

Otherwise, continuing to argue this point is a bit of a waste of time

I imagine  receipts for club matches stay in the county.
If you want updated stats go and google them

[Franko]

from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

So what's the estimate for the £19.6m figure now?

Are we talking a decrease of 10%? 50%?

Give us a few numbers here.

Have we any idea of the gate receipts for the club games?

I'd have expected a modest increase here, given that they're the only show in town atm

If you can present some hard facts, then it can be debated

Otherwise, continuing to argue this point is a bit of a waste of time

I imagine  receipts for club matches stay in the county.
If you want updated stats go and google them

Indeed - but as you've just said - they'll be used to benefit the whole organisation

And as we all know, there are no published figures for 2022

But there's a few blowhards who are certain they are going to read badly as the advertisers and sponsors have apparently run for the hills

Except... when you ask them to even put an estimate on this, they fall silent....

[seafoid]

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40960145.html
The conclusion of the Allianz Football League in late March has often been discussed as the best example for a GAA Redzone. With games in each division having to take place at the same time in the interests of fairness (there has been the rare exception), it's an engrossingly manic day that will be even more so next season as the link between the competition and the Sam Maguire Cup strengthens.

With this year's Tailteann Cup winners Westmeath guaranteed to be in the All-Ireland competition, there are 15 places available and at least seven will be filled based on league finishes. Dublin will be expected to streak away with Division 2 and Derry and Kildare will likely fight it out for the next promotion spot but for the remainder of the teams they know remaining in the division gives them a decent chance of playing Sam Maguire Cup football, whatever happens in the provincial championships.

The finale of the Super 16s, the group stages of the Sam Maguire Cup, in June next year has the potential to be just as thrilling. It has been claimed there will be dead rubbers but as GAA director of club, player and games administration Feargal McGill pointed out when it was voted in last February: "The possibility of games that have no meaning is miniscule in the Green proposal because each of the four places in a group will have meaning – first, straight to quarter-final, second, home preliminary quarter-final, third, qualifies for preliminary quarter-final, fourth, eliminated." 

Spread over two days, two groups concluding on a Saturday and the other two the following day, it could be TV gold if the goings-on at both games in each group are relayed in real time. As the Tailteann Cup is being run on a similar format, it too could generate animation as it comes to a knock-out crescendo.

And what about the feast of games of import that are only around the corner? To an extent, October had been county final month before the split season but we can officially christen it that now. At least 50 senior finals are scheduled to take place next month. A minimum of 13 are pencilled in for the weekend of October 9, a minimum of 11 for that of October 16, the same the following weekend and seven on the Halloween weekend.

Such clustering presents challenges for broadcasters but frenetically going around the grounds can be exciting. The lasting popularity of Sky Sports' Soccer Saturday and the rise of supporter updates on platforms such as YouTube only underlines the attraction of live sport even when it isn't visible.

In fairness to TG4, they have been excellent in informing viewers of the permutations unfolding on the final days of the football and hurling group stages. RTÉ Radio One have also made their reporting as seamless as possible, one commentator at a county venue handing over to another elsewhere instead of going back to the studio. It generates a flow and a thrill.

It's to them, not Twitter, where eyes and ears should be going on the GAA season's days of mass reckoning. But more innovative thinking will be required if the organisation is to promote its wares in the best possible light

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2022/0912/1322014-sherlock-split-season-requires-period-of-reflection/
Former Dublin star Jason Sherlock believes that the GAA's split-season format requires a period of reflection to ensure that all parties are as satisfied as possible.

An All-Ireland winner 27 years ago, Sherlock went on to manage his county at minor level and was also part of Jim Gavin's coaching staff for five Dublin Sam Maguire triumphs.

Now though, he is approaching the situation from the standpoint of a spectator, and he said that it's important that all personal biases are removed when deciding whether changes needed to be made.

"I kind of see it from a few different perspectives and like all changes, they're brought in for a reason," said Sherlock.

"At the moment, from a supporter perspective, it feels like it's a bit of a wrong thing to do, and rightly so.

"I was watching sport yesterday [Sunday], the Italian Grand Prix, the golf and the rugby and I'm not watching inter-county GAA. I had flicked on Ballygunner and Mount Sion but there is a deficit there from a supporters' perspective, and that's really important.

"The GAA is also an association, and how they progress and probably more importantly [consider] the players – inter-county players and also club players....it's important to factor in everyone's perspective to try and come up with the best solution.

[thewobbler]

The bit that Jason neglects there is that has the PL been on, he and the rest of Ireland would have been watching it, and it would have been a perfectly fine autumnal Sunday.