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Earlier Championship

Success
43 (37.7%)
Failure
42 (36.8%)
Too early to say
29 (25.4%)

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #345 on: September 08, 2022, 09:03:06 AM »
I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.
Which group provides the money? Maybe look there
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #346 on: September 08, 2022, 09:18:34 AM »
I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.
Which group provides the money? Maybe look there

Its the 39 armchair/no club/never played viewers on that poll
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #347 on: September 08, 2022, 10:25:30 AM »
I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.
Which group provides the money? Maybe look there
The armchair TV* fan provides no money directly.
The occasional, big game or Inter Co championship game spectator still has the same games to pay in to.

* TV companies still paying for media rights to show the games.
Remember we're a noble race from a land where Kings once trod.

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #348 on: September 08, 2022, 12:08:14 PM »
I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.
Which group provides the money? Maybe look there
The armchair TV* fan provides no money directly.
The occasional, big game or Inter Co championship game spectator still has the same games to pay in to.

* TV companies still paying for media rights to show the games.
Ads designed to get the eyes of the armchair fan are significant in terms of revenue.
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #349 on: September 08, 2022, 01:57:38 PM »
But there are still the same amount of big GAA games, just shorter gaps between them.
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #350 on: September 08, 2022, 06:32:05 PM »
But there are still the same amount of big GAA games, just shorter gaps between them.
Less overall focus so smaller budgets.
Let's see how the experiment looks in the GAA's accounts.
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #351 on: September 09, 2022, 07:28:59 AM »
I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.
Which group provides the money? Maybe look there

The money is for nothing if the grassroots volunteers and club players don't exist.

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #352 on: September 09, 2022, 07:32:45 AM »
I suppose it comes down to whether you want to please the playing membership or the casual armchair/ big game follower.
Which group provides the money? Maybe look there
The armchair TV* fan provides no money directly.
The occasional, big game or Inter Co championship game spectator still has the same games to pay in to.

* TV companies still paying for media rights to show the games.
Ads designed to get the eyes of the armchair fan are significant in terms of revenue.

How significant?  Do you have a breakdown of how much this is costing in terms of this revenue stream?

Do you have any understanding of how quickly the whole house of cards collapses if the bottom row ceases to exist?

Have you ever set foot inside your local GAA club in the past 20 years?  Do you even have one?

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them mysterons are always killing me but im grand after a few days.sickenin aul dose all the same.

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #354 on: September 11, 2022, 12:44:26 PM »
from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #355 on: September 11, 2022, 12:58:41 PM »
gaa has a lot to compete with these days

One of them being that a lot of the “problems” are imaginary

It all depends on where you live. If you live in rural Ireland then Gaelic Football is probably the only team sport in your area.

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #356 on: September 12, 2022, 09:24:47 AM »
from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

So what's the estimate for the £19.6m figure now?

Are we talking a decrease of 10%? 50%?

Give us a few numbers here.

Have we any idea of the gate receipts for the club games?

I'd have expected a modest increase here, given that they're the only show in town atm

If you can present some hard facts, then it can be debated

Otherwise, continuing to argue this point is a bit of a waste of time

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #357 on: September 12, 2022, 10:26:45 AM »
from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

So what's the estimate for the £19.6m figure now?

Are we talking a decrease of 10%? 50%?

Give us a few numbers here.

Have we any idea of the gate receipts for the club games?

I'd have expected a modest increase here, given that they're the only show in town atm

If you can present some hard facts, then it can be debated

Otherwise, continuing to argue this point is a bit of a waste of time
I imagine  receipts for club matches stay in the county.
If you want updated stats go and google them
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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #358 on: September 12, 2022, 01:18:05 PM »
from 2018

GAA income in millions

Gate receipts    29.6
Commercial      19.6
State funding    5.1
Other income    9.3

Total              63.6

Expenditure

Match Day         10.1
Team Costs          4.9
Co/Provincial        8.9
Games Dev         11.1
Player welfare      7.3
Admin                 10.5
Operating Grants  4.6
Capital Grants       4.1
Investment           0.9
Competition Costs  0.7

Total 63.1

The GAA isn't about county v parish. Funding is built from various sources to benefit the whole organisation.

So what's the estimate for the £19.6m figure now?

Are we talking a decrease of 10%? 50%?

Give us a few numbers here.

Have we any idea of the gate receipts for the club games?

I'd have expected a modest increase here, given that they're the only show in town atm

If you can present some hard facts, then it can be debated

Otherwise, continuing to argue this point is a bit of a waste of time
I imagine  receipts for club matches stay in the county.
If you want updated stats go and google them

Indeed - but as you've just said - they'll be used to benefit the whole organisation

And as we all know, there are no published figures for 2022

But there's a few blowhards who are certain they are going to read badly as the advertisers and sponsors have apparently run for the hills

Except... when you ask them to even put an estimate on this, they fall silent....

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Re: Is the earlier Championship a success or failure?
« Reply #359 on: September 13, 2022, 07:56:38 AM »
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/othersport/arid-40960145.html
The conclusion of the Allianz Football League in late March has often been discussed as the best example for a GAA Redzone. With games in each division having to take place at the same time in the interests of fairness (there has been the rare exception), it’s an engrossingly manic day that will be even more so next season as the link between the competition and the Sam Maguire Cup strengthens.

With this year’s Tailteann Cup winners Westmeath guaranteed to be in the All-Ireland competition, there are 15 places available and at least seven will be filled based on league finishes. Dublin will be expected to streak away with Division 2 and Derry and Kildare will likely fight it out for the next promotion spot but for the remainder of the teams they know remaining in the division gives them a decent chance of playing Sam Maguire Cup football, whatever happens in the provincial championships.

The finale of the Super 16s, the group stages of the Sam Maguire Cup, in June next year has the potential to be just as thrilling. It has been claimed there will be dead rubbers but as GAA director of club, player and games administration Feargal McGill pointed out when it was voted in last February: “The possibility of games that have no meaning is miniscule in the Green proposal because each of the four places in a group will have meaning – first, straight to quarter-final, second, home preliminary quarter-final, third, qualifies for preliminary quarter-final, fourth, eliminated.” 

Spread over two days, two groups concluding on a Saturday and the other two the following day, it could be TV gold if the goings-on at both games in each group are relayed in real time. As the Tailteann Cup is being run on a similar format, it too could generate animation as it comes to a knock-out crescendo.

And what about the feast of games of import that are only around the corner? To an extent, October had been county final month before the split season but we can officially christen it that now. At least 50 senior finals are scheduled to take place next month. A minimum of 13 are pencilled in for the weekend of October 9, a minimum of 11 for that of October 16, the same the following weekend and seven on the Halloween weekend.

Such clustering presents challenges for broadcasters but frenetically going around the grounds can be exciting. The lasting popularity of Sky Sports’ Soccer Saturday and the rise of supporter updates on platforms such as YouTube only underlines the attraction of live sport even when it isn’t visible.

In fairness to TG4, they have been excellent in informing viewers of the permutations unfolding on the final days of the football and hurling group stages. RTÉ Radio One have also made their reporting as seamless as possible, one commentator at a county venue handing over to another elsewhere instead of going back to the studio. It generates a flow and a thrill.

It’s to them, not Twitter, where eyes and ears should be going on the GAA season’s days of mass reckoning. But more innovative thinking will be required if the organisation is to promote its wares in the best possible light
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