Clerical abuse!

Started by D4S, May 20, 2009, 05:09:14 PM

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We all know this disgusting scandal is as a result of The Church and The State, but who do you hold mostly accountable, and should therefore pay out the most in compensation to victims?

The State
The Church
Split 50/50

orangeman

Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 27, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
To those of you that thought the joke of a church has changed one iota...

From Drogheda Independent 23/09 (http://www.drogheda-independent.ie/news/colm-ogorman-key-speaker-at-mass-1894034.html)

Colm O'Gorman key speaker at Mass

By Alison Comyn
Wednesday September 23 2009
FOUNDER of the group 1 in 4 Colm O'Gorman has agreed to be key speaker at the Mass of Reconciliation in the Augustinian Church, Shop Street in memory of the 30th anniversary of the visit of Pope John Paul II to Drogheda.

The Mass will take place at 1.15pm on Sunday September 27th.

Mr O'Gorman was the first to highlight the abuse of Fr Sean Fortune, and Fr Iggy O'Donovan says this is the perfect time to recall the same message of reconciliation brought by the then Pontiff three decades ago.

'The theme will be one of healing and we invite everyone to come and join us on Sunday and pray for the Church, and hear from this wonderful man,' says Fr Iggy.

'The Pope appealed for reconciliation all those years ago, and we have seen great scenes like Bertie Ahern and Ian Paisley at the Boyne since, so we would like to carry on the message.


And from Irish times 26/09 (http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0926/1224255283848.html)

O'Gorman 'surprised' as Mass invitation withdrawn

ONE IN FOUR founder Colm O'Gorman has spoken of his surprise at "the unique experience of being 'uninvited' from taking part" in a Mass of healing and reconciliation planned by Fr Iggy O'Donovan at the Augustinian Church in Drogheda for tomorrow.

He said: "It appears that the Archdiocese of Armagh, led by Cardinal Seán Brady, believes there was something inappropriate about the invitation and instructed Fr O'Donovan to withdraw it." This, Mr O'Gorman felt, was "a real shame".

It was "a shame that senior church leaders have chosen to close their hearts, their minds and their ears to words offered in a true spirit of hope. Hope informed by an absolute belief in the endless possibilities to be found in our human capacity to transcend terrible trauma and find a way forward together."

Instead they had "used their power to prevent such a process from finding even more powerful expression by locating it in church". In his planned address he had "no intention of raking over old, now established hurts".

Instead, he had hoped "to speak about my sense of an immense opportunity for us all, having named and to a large part owned the truth of the terrible crimes inflicted upon children within church, to find a way forward together in a new spirit of truth, compassion, understanding and love".

He believed "in the power of truth. Naming the truth in difficult circumstances is always the right thing to do." So often "we run from things we have done that we feel mark us as bad. I know that feeling; for so many years I ran from my own feelings of shame and self-blame."

He had planned to end his address by quoting from the Gospel of John: "Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action."



Ah, I'm sure the sheep will continue to support that heartless f**k Brady (not too often I would describe a fellow Cavan man in these terms). Makes me sick to the pit of my stomach. When are the decent people in the catholic church going to get off their lazy holes and say "stop" instead of pretending there is nothing amiss.
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A lot of decent RC peole have got off their asses and have tried to raise issues with the Cavan man in Armagh but it's impossible to get the man's attention. He won't meet ordinary parishioners - he remains aloof and closes his eyes and ears to those who seek change.

orangeman

Programme on BBC 1 now about the Nazareth homes in Belfast and Derry. Daragh Mc Intyre programme.

Square Ball

Quote from: orangeman on October 06, 2009, 10:44:00 PM
Programme on BBC 1 now about the Nazareth homes in Belfast and Derry. Daragh Mc Intyre programme.

ayh, watching it now, they were put in a large tumble dryer for wetting the bed.
Hospitals are not equipped to treat stupid

longrunsthefox

God help those poor children and what was done to them. Sure a lot of the 'Christian' brothers and priests at the schools that weren't homes for kids were sadistic madmen as well. Even through the 70s...  Never encountered those witches of nuns tho...

Pangurban

There is a lot of Hand-Washing going on here. Nothing to do with me Guv. it wos the Church that did it. It begs the Question who are the Church. Are the laity not members of the Church. Did some of them not fail in their responsibility to protect Children. What about the role of the state, who placed Children in these institutions and then failed to carry out proper inspections. In this sad tragedy there are no clean Hands, and it is incumbent on all members of the church clerical and lay, and also the state, to ensure that victims of abuse receive proper compensation. This will inevitably require that we put our Hands in our pockets and contribute towards it. If we are for whatever reason reluctant to do that, then we are merely tinkling cymbals, whose indignation is feigned

mylestheslasher

Looks like the truth is now going to be published on the scandal of clerical abuse in the Dublin diocese..

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1015/abuse.html

Dublin abuse report to be published
   
The High Court has ruled that the report of the Commission of Investigation into sexual abuse allegations in the Dublin archdiocese can be published - but all references to one person must be removed.

The commission investigated how clerical child sex abuse allegations involving a sample of 46 priests were handled by Church and State authorities in Dublin between 1 January 1975 and 30 April 2004.

Some of the cases involve men who are facing court proceedings.

Its report was referred to the High Court by Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern in July.

Under the Commission of Investigation Act, the minister must seek directions from the High Court if it is felt the report could prejudice court proceedings.

Mr Justice Paul Gilligan ruled that the report could be published but that a specified part, Chapter 19, might prejudice court proceedings.

He directed that Chapter 19, or references in the report to the person who is the subject of Chapter 19, could not be published unless otherwise directed by the court.

His judgment lists 22 references to that person which must be removed before the report is published.

Justice Gilligan said this part of the report could be mentioned to the court again on 5 May next year.

Andrew Madden, a survivor of sexual abuse in the Dublin archdiocese, said he was very pleased the report would be published.

He said the commission investigated 46 priests so removing reference to one person would still allow people to examine the trends in the report.

Marie Collins, another survivor, said she was pleased the report would be published.

But she said she was disappointed it would not be published in its entirety.

Ms Collins said the purpose of the report was to show if there was a pattern to the way the archdiocese dealt with abuse and it would be difficult to establish that if certain parts of the report were not published.

Maeve Lewis of One in Four, a support group for victims of abuse, urged the Minister for Justice to publish the report quickly.

She also asked the Minister to give support groups some advance notice as to when he intends to publish.

A spokesperson for the Minister for Justice said he had always made it clear he wanted to publish the report as soon as practicable.

However, he said Mr Ahern would have to consider the High Court's written judgment.

Gnevin

Quote from: longrunsthefox on October 06, 2009, 11:08:08 PM
God help those poor children and what was done to them. Sure a lot of the 'Christian' brothers and priests at the schools that weren't homes for kids were sadistic madmen as well. Even through the 70s...  Never encountered those witches of nuns tho...

God's too busy in Knock making the sun dance to help these children . ::)
Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling.

Declan

See that post was at 1.05 am  - might explain it.

ludermor

It doesnt explain the rest of the shite he posts though

Bud Wiser

#384
Maybe ye should click on this link, an ordinary planning application that was defeated but if, you scroll down through the third party submisions then maybe, just maybe if you find the right one you will know the conniving that was going on and that I wanted to highlight when BISHOP Eamonn Walsh, a barrister by the way, was in position to know, not what he should have known, but what he was been faxed and been told to Naoim Brid on Old Blessington Road.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD07A/0151&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=location&term=scoil%20treasa

(The link does not allow the specific direction to the file, scroll down and think Cat's as in Fennelly.
" Laois ? You can't drink pints of Guinness and talk sh*te in a pub, and play football the next day"

mylestheslasher

Quote from: Bud Wiser on October 17, 2009, 09:33:36 PM
Maybe ye should click on this link, an ordinary planning application that was defeated but if, you scroll down through the third party submisions then maybe, just maybe if you find the right one you will know the conniving that was going on and that I wanted to highlight when Eamonn Walsh, a barrister by the way was in position to know, not what he should have known, but what he was been faxed and been told to Naoim Brid on Old Blessington Road.

http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144&regref=SD07A/0151&type=apps&dateoptions=any&area=Any&keywordtype=location&term=scoil%20treasa

I'd love to know what you are on about Bud. Any chance you might put some flesh on the  bones?

Bud Wiser

" Laois ? You can't drink pints of Guinness and talk sh*te in a pub, and play football the next day"

Bud Wiser

#387
Well, can you see it now, it was put in the public domain? Needless to say, the two priests that were in my area have left, one no longer a priest and the other a slithering debacle that bears no mention.  Fact is, when the new report comes out this week there will be very few people that will sleep easy.  There are so many many people (and I don't mean this in any respect to you or any board members) that have not got a clue, not a clue, ever, to what was going on, right up to recently.  There have been so so many suicides, so many bullshit media reports about how they happen and why but nobody has got these b**tards because they were moved like chess pieces.

EDIT: If you still cant see what I meant,when the first report came out each head of Parish  was instructed to qualify how much land they could grab to sell back to the state. (too tired now after been with Dessie all day so I will wait forthe report this week before further comment)
" Laois ? You can't drink pints of Guinness and talk sh*te in a pub, and play football the next day"

mylestheslasher

Another scandalous story in the mail today about Archbishop Burke and his affair and alleged abuse of a 14 year old girl in Nigeria. Take a look at the link below for an account of her claims. This is very interesting for 2 reasons, 1st obviously how this man had access in a 3rd world country to young girls and 2nd for the reaction of people on the ground who can not even accept the possibility of truth in the story. I would suggest Nigeria is a now a little like Ireland of the 50's?

http://www.catholicreport.org/comments.php?cID=5650

Before anyone else jumps to this mans defence, you should know there are taped recordings, letters etc which amounts to solid evidence against the man details of which were in todays Mail on Sunday.


orangeman

Rome investigating abuse complaint
Sunday, 25 October 2009 21:01
The Vatican is investigating an allegation of child sexual abuse against an Irish Archbishop based in Nigeria.

St Patrick's Missionary Society, also known as the Kiltegan Fathers, has confirmed that a complaint was made about one of its members, Archbishop Richard Burke, by a 41-year-old Nigerian woman, Ms Dolores Atwood.

Archbishop Burke, 60, from Fethard in County Tipperary, is one of the most senior members of the Catholic hierarchy known to be facing an accusation of this kind. He denies the allegation.

AdvertisementA statement released by the Society in response to a report in today's 'Irish Mail On Sunday' said that Ms Atwood had made a complaint alleging that Archbishop Burke had begun abusing her when she was a 14-year-old patient in hospital.


The statement said that once the complaint was made, two representatives of the Society promptly met Ms Atwood, who now lives in Canada and is married with three children.

It said that the complaint was received in December and that the Archbishop voluntarily withdrew from ministry six months after it was made while it was being investigated.

The Society expressed its deep sorrow and regret for the suffering that Ms Atwood and her family were going through.

It also confirmed that within the past fortnight, the Society had sent all papers relating to the case to the Vatican following a request from the Catholic Church's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, its second most important office,

Archbishop Burke was ordained a priest 34 years ago and was made a Archbishop of Benin in 2008.