The Sunday Game

[Hound]

Brolly spot on for once.

Lot of great stuff by Joe, club v county....

Totally agree wish they had continued discussion for an hour. It made have ultimately showed up county boards and provincials councils and the GPA for what they all are, self serving.
Reduce season by a month to six weeks would be a simple solution, yet two of counties that voted against reducing it by two weeks were Galway (who never can finish their club championships )and Cork who have shit county teams and f all supporters at football level.
I hope they return to this discussion again in the near future

Joe as usual mixes a few good points with some absolute nonsense and some outright lies.
His personal attacks on McGeeney were way over the top. He goes on about the ethos of GAA and can't see the irony in his verbal assainasation of a fellow Gael.
Also blaming the GPA for lads not playing club football is ridiculous.

I know from a Dubs perspective, under Pillar our panel played almost no club league football. Gilroy announced on his appointment that he'd let players play club, yet he often played A v B games on days when there was a round of league fixtures on, so you had 35 lads missing league games. Gavin has brought in a much fairer structure, panel members are enouraged to play for their club although the first 15 probably still only play about 6 of the 15 league games. But all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the GPA and all to do with the power the county board (and thus the clubs who give the mandate to the county board) give the manager.

[joemamas]

What did Brolly say?

County football no fun, too much commitment a lot of players opting out because of this
County Players cannot play club football in a lot of counties
Gave example of Armagh and crossmaglen
Also how some counties voted down shortening season by only two weeks
Amount of money involved preparing a county team insane even Derry 250k
Well worth a watch

[INDIANA]

Brolly spot on for once.

Lot of great stuff by Joe, club v county....

Totally agree wish they had continued discussion for an hour. It made have ultimately showed up county boards and provincials councils and the GPA for what they all are, self serving.
Reduce season by a month to six weeks would be a simple solution, yet two of counties that voted against reducing it by two weeks were Galway (who never can finish their club championships )and Cork who have shit county teams and f all supporters at football level.
I hope they return to this discussion again in the near future

Joe as usual mixes a few good points with some absolute nonsense and some outright lies.
His personal attacks on McGeeney were way over the top. He goes on about the ethos of GAA and can't see the irony in his verbal assainasation of a fellow Gael.
Also blaming the GPA for lads not playing club football is ridiculous.

I know from a Dubs perspective, under Pillar our panel played almost no club league football. Gilroy announced on his appointment that he'd let players play club, yet he often played A v B games on days when there was a round of league fixtures on, so you had 35 lads missing league games. Gavin has brought in a much fairer structure, panel members are enouraged to play for their club although the first 15 probably still only play about 6 of the 15 league games. But all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the GPA and all to do with the power the county board (and thus the clubs who give the mandate to the county board) give the manager.

Disagree it has everything to do with the GPA. The GPA have never lifted a finger to try to promote a better club v county structure. They never once made any representations to the GAA about the insane pressures of trying to play inter county football and working. They keep talking about compensation, grants - "the professional" structure - ie pay us. They could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago and helped bring about some changes to the insane training regimes in operation.

Very extraneous members of the Dublin panel are only allowed play league football. Shane Carthy for example wasn't allowed tog out for Vincents yesterday in the league he has very little chance of making the bench next week. All for A v B games.

Anyone from 1-25 won't be playing anymore then about 4/5 league games per season. So I think attempts to defend Gavin on this are futile. Once the Dubs hit championship mode- even the fringe players can't play with their clubs. Brolly is dead right on that one

As regards Mc Geeney- It hasn't happened for him as a manager and it's not going to. Needs to take a lengthy break from the game in my view and enjoy the other side of life and maybe come back to it at a later date

[Jinxy]

The GPA's approach is akin to a doctor refusing to advocate vaccination to prevent a disease and instead advocating for better medicines to treat that disease.
All of their efforts go into creating better 'supports' for players to allow them to cope with the ridiculous demands, instead of looking at ways to reduce the ridiculous demands.
The reasons for this are pretty obvious.

[rrhf]

But we knew all this! Many would ask why are they doing multi million euro commercial deals on license by the gaa, the same gaa whose membership Give voluntary lifelong loyalty to the ideals of club and community and have been responsible for the provision of over a billions worth of infrastructure built and by their ongoin  attendance paid for the upkeep of their stadiums and infrastructure. The gpa brought in programmes - good yes ...Help  Programmes that are being done often voluntarily within clubs and community organisations in conjunction with healthcare professionals in every town in Ireland this lifetime. And we give them an office in our stadium. Can someone tell me why this is accommodated in a smart society.  It's time to audit the GAA. There are obviously admin areas and some areas of specialist coaching  of the GAA where volunteerism doesn't work but it's time to make the whole operation leaner and remove the parasitic spectre of professionalism for ever.

[Beffs]

As regards Mc Geeney- It hasn't happened for him as a manager and it's not going to. Needs to take a lengthy break from the game in my view and enjoy the other side of life and maybe come back to it at a later date

He should go back to doing what he does best - strength and conditioning, with maybe a bit of motivational psychology mixed in. That is what he good at, getting lads in peak physical condition and ready to run through walls for each other. He clearly doesn't have what it takes in the tactics and sideline decision making department. At this stage of his career, it doesn't look like he will ever develop it on his own.

He could do with a good few years as the number two of someone like a Jim McGuinness and learn his craft that way. Or take up a role like Bryan Cullen in Dublin, where he overseas the entire counties S&C programs, but doesn't have any responsibility for what goes on out on the pitch during games.

I wonder would his ego would be satisfied with reduced roles like those?

[redzone]

Lol he's one of the most humble men about. He'd do what ever the right thing is far Armagh football that's for sure. The year isn't over yet.How do u know he's a big ego?

[Catch and Kick]

The GPA's approach is akin to a doctor refusing to advocate vaccination to prevent a disease and instead advocating for better medicines to treat that disease.
All of their efforts go into creating better 'supports' for players to allow them to cope with the ridiculous demands, instead of looking at ways to reduce the ridiculous demands.
The reasons for this are pretty obvious.

Spot on.

[Give and Go]

To stay on topic; the Sunday Game has consistently missed every kick out in every game as they pan to spectator scenes or to view the subs bench or the Manager on the sideline. We are missing a keep part of the game and we miss the tactical use of kick outs, good and bad, by teams.
It's so annoying to see the camera pause on a spectator for 2/3 seconds while the game is ongoing.
It is supposed to cover the game not the spectators.
Not surprised the GAA hasn't taken this up in the past few year as they are buying into the commerciality of the games. More spectator faces more appeal to day trippers...

[armaghniac]

To stay on topic; the Sunday Game has consistently missed every kick out in every game as they pan to spectator scenes or to view the subs bench or the Manager on the sideline. We are missing a keep part of the game and we miss the tactical use of kick outs, good and bad, by teams.
It's so annoying to see the camera pause on a spectator for 2/3 seconds while the game is ongoing.
It is supposed to cover the game not the spectators.
Not surprised the GAA hasn't taken this up in the past few year as they are buying into the commerciality of the games. More spectator faces more appeal to day trippers...

In fairness, the BBC cameramen seem more prone to this than RTÉ.

[BennyCake]

To stay on topic; the Sunday Game has consistently missed every kick out in every game as they pan to spectator scenes or to view the subs bench or the Manager on the sideline. We are missing a keep part of the game and we miss the tactical use of kick outs, good and bad, by teams.
It's so annoying to see the camera pause on a spectator for 2/3 seconds while the game is ongoing.
It is supposed to cover the game not the spectators.
Not surprised the GAA hasn't taken this up in the past few year as they are buying into the commerciality of the games. More spectator faces more appeal to day trippers...

One of the perks of being a cameraman is being able to check out the good looking weemin.

[Hound]

The GPA's approach is akin to a doctor refusing to advocate vaccination to prevent a disease and instead advocating for better medicines to treat that disease.
All of their efforts go into creating better 'supports' for players to allow them to cope with the ridiculous demands, instead of looking at ways to reduce the ridiculous demands.
The reasons for this are pretty obvious.

That's right.
Everyone should be made train less, so more counties get to Meath's level of fitness and S&C.

[Croí na hÉireann]

From a westmeath perspective what Hound said is true. Even when Westmeath should have beaten Meath in the past they couldn't get over the line. That All Ireland QF back in 2002 or 2003 was brutal.

2001?

Sure was 2001 and will you leave that buried deep in the subconscious where it belongs.

Brolly can step over the line at times but on yesterday's form there's no one to rival him for entertainment value. Comments regarding McGeeney were close to the bone but weren't without foundation. Now if he would bring a bit more analysis in to the discussion...

[Jinxy]

The GPA's approach is akin to a doctor refusing to advocate vaccination to prevent a disease and instead advocating for better medicines to treat that disease.
All of their efforts go into creating better 'supports' for players to allow them to cope with the ridiculous demands, instead of looking at ways to reduce the ridiculous demands.
The reasons for this are pretty obvious.

That's right.
Everyone should be made train less, so more counties get to Meath's level of fitness and S&C.

Exactly.

[yellowcard]

Camera work of yesterdays Cavan v Armagh match was brutal. Showing faces in the crowd whilst play was going on, zooming in on the wrong players after scores and showing replays while the action was continuing live.