Hurling 2024

[seafoid]

I think this is the 4th national final in a row that KK have lost.
Normally a team in such a situation would turn to the injection of youth but KK don't have a conveyor belt of talent available.

[Capt Pat]

Clare deserved it in the end I think. But the ref nearly handed the result to Kilkenny with the wrong decision to give Kilkenny a penalty and Rodgers a black card. Justice was done when Cody missed the penalty.

You can give a penalty inside the 21 I thought

The ball was passed away and fumbled by the receiving kilkenny player when there was accidental contact between Rodgers and the passing Kilkenny player. Not a penalty or a black card imho.

The penalty and black card is for cynical fouls only denying goal scoring chances inside the 20 yard line.

[Bord na Mona man]

It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.

[Saffrongael]

It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.

In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue

[seafoid]

It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.

That's the Kilkenny problem in a nutshell. It takes years to develop a TJ Reid or a Johnny Sexton.

[marty34]

It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.

In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue

He's a serious man for taking 10 steps.

In fairness, easily the best player in the National League this year. Clare will be hoping he keeps this run of form up. With David Mc Enerney, Shanagher and O'Donnell off the bench last night Clare are working on developing their panel. Just need them injury free as Munster will be tough.

Lohan needed the win last night to justify his work. Well deserved. Were the better team throughout. Clare were hungry and aggressive and in Mc Carthy and Duggan, they have good outlets up top.

Malone works hard in mid-field, Cleary is an old style full-back with Hogan developing into a super man marker/cornerback.  With TK to come back, they'll by boosted for Munster.

KK were disappointing although they still have that never say die spirit. They seemed to be off the boil a bit e.g. Blanchfield missing the pick twice for Clare's goal.  Simple stuff.
Cody's penalty was poorly struck in the marsh. Who know what would have happened if it went in but they didn't deserve it.

TJ was a big miss as on out bll at full-forward although Mossy Keoghan showed really well when introduced - 3 points I think.   

[NAG1]

It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.

In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue

He's a serious man for taking 10 steps.

In fairness, easily the best player in the National League this year. Clare will be hoping he keeps this run of form up. With David Mc Enerney, Shanagher and O'Donnell off the bench last night Clare are working on developing their panel. Just need them injury free as Munster will be tough.

Lohan needed the win last night to justify his work. Well deserved. Were the better team throughout. Clare were hungry and aggressive and in Mc Carthy and Duggan, they have good outlets up top.

Malone works hard in mid-field, Cleary is an old style full-back with Hogan developing into a super man marker/cornerback.  With TK to come back, they'll by boosted for Munster.

KK were disappointing although they still have that never say die spirit. They seemed to be off the boil a bit e.g. Blanchfield missing the pick twice for Clare's goal.  Simple stuff.
Cody's penalty was poorly struck in the marsh. Who know what would have happened if it went in but they didn't deserve it.

TJ was a big miss as on out bll at full-forward although Mossy Keoghan showed really well when introduced - 3 points I think.   

KK were/ are poor I dont see anything improving them drastically as the championship gets going. TJ will slightly but think he is on the other side of it.

They seem to be producing the same type of player at the moment with nothing really standing out.

[seafoid]

It would have been some injustice if Clare had lost the game coming down the strait. Especially as the ref looked to be giving the Cats plenty of assistance near the end.
Cody hitting the penalty down into the mud patch was a schoolboy error. TJ Reid would have put it high towards the top corner.

In fairness he let Fitzgerald take close to 10 steps for his goal, you don't usually see a player being allowed to pause, cut inside (while still not taking a tap) and then continue

He's a serious man for taking 10 steps.

In fairness, easily the best player in the National League this year. Clare will be hoping he keeps this run of form up. With David Mc Enerney, Shanagher and O'Donnell off the bench last night Clare are working on developing their panel. Just need them injury free as Munster will be tough.

Lohan needed the win last night to justify his work. Well deserved. Were the better team throughout. Clare were hungry and aggressive and in Mc Carthy and Duggan, they have good outlets up top.

Malone works hard in mid-field, Cleary is an old style full-back with Hogan developing into a super man marker/cornerback.  With TK to come back, they'll by boosted for Munster.

KK were disappointing although they still have that never say die spirit. They seemed to be off the boil a bit e.g. Blanchfield missing the pick twice for Clare's goal.  Simple stuff.
Cody's penalty was poorly struck in the marsh. Who know what would have happened if it went in but they didn't deserve it.

TJ was a big miss as on out bll at full-forward although Mossy Keoghan showed really well when introduced - 3 points I think.   

KK were/ are poor I dont see anything improving them drastically as the championship gets going. TJ will slightly but think he is on the other side of it.

They seem to be producing the same type of player at the moment with nothing really standing out.

They used to be able to freak teams out just by turning up. They have savage workrate but they don't have the players any more.
Clare had more energy.

[NAG1]

Clare outworked them for sure, but they also have better and a variety of different types of hurler from what I saw.

Hopefully this Clare team aren't left ruing the fact of running into one of the best teams ever to be produced at their peak.

[johnnycool]

Only got round to watching the game yesterday.

Clare were much the better team over the 70 minutes especially the period after half time when they went 7 points up and looked to be well in control, but Kilkenny kept in the battle, some softish frees helped but also they're just never beat right till the end and TBH apart from the non penalty miss they'd a few chances for goals that were spurned.

Mossy Keoghan one on one with Rory Hayes in injury time, Hayes marshalled him well but I'd have expected a bit more vigor from Keoghan and he simply just tapped it over the bar.
No way Eddie Brennan or most of the KK forwards from that era would have done that with the game still to be won.

Clare looked good, but their dominance needs to be reflected on the scoreboard and they failed to keep the effort up over the whole second half, that is a potential worry for them.

Much being made of young Adam Hogan "buying" frees on social media, from what I see he does duck down in the tackle, but the bottom line is that there's nowhere in the rule book saying you can throw your spare arm out and around a player who's trying to get passed you.

[NAG1]

Only got round to watching the game yesterday.

Clare were much the better team over the 70 minutes especially the period after half time when they went 7 points up and looked to be well in control, but Kilkenny kept in the battle, some softish frees helped but also they're just never beat right till the end and TBH apart from the non penalty miss they'd a few chances for goals that were spurned.

Mossy Keoghan one on one with Rory Hayes in injury time, Hayes marshalled him well but I'd have expected a bit more vigor from Keoghan and he simply just tapped it over the bar.
No way Eddie Brennan or most of the KK forwards from that era would have done that with the game still to be won.

Clare looked good, but their dominance needs to be reflected on the scoreboard and they failed to keep the effort up over the whole second half, that is a potential worry for them.

Much being made of young Adam Hogan "buying" frees on social media, from what I see he does duck down in the tackle, but the bottom line is that there's nowhere in the rule book saying you can throw your spare arm out and around a player who's trying to get passed you.

Don't know why he is being singled out, every single player is at the same malarky. It is actually getting hard to watch, players running into a tackle and throwing the arms up to try and buy a free.

I guess there has to be more discipline by the tackler not to leave a loose arm in, but the refs need to start copping on to it as well.

[johnnycool]

Only got round to watching the game yesterday.

Clare were much the better team over the 70 minutes especially the period after half time when they went 7 points up and looked to be well in control, but Kilkenny kept in the battle, some softish frees helped but also they're just never beat right till the end and TBH apart from the non penalty miss they'd a few chances for goals that were spurned.

Mossy Keoghan one on one with Rory Hayes in injury time, Hayes marshalled him well but I'd have expected a bit more vigor from Keoghan and he simply just tapped it over the bar.
No way Eddie Brennan or most of the KK forwards from that era would have done that with the game still to be won.

Clare looked good, but their dominance needs to be reflected on the scoreboard and they failed to keep the effort up over the whole second half, that is a potential worry for them.

Much being made of young Adam Hogan "buying" frees on social media, from what I see he does duck down in the tackle, but the bottom line is that there's nowhere in the rule book saying you can throw your spare arm out and around a player who's trying to get passed you.

Don't know why he is being singled out, every single player is at the same malarky. It is actually getting hard to watch, players running into a tackle and throwing the arms up to try and buy a free.

I guess there has to be more discipline by the tackler not to leave a loose arm in, but the refs need to start copping on to it as well.

The loose arm is a lazy tackle which has been tolerated at this level for a decade and more.

Now the likes of Kinnerk and the other specialist coaches will have to come up with something else to counteract the dip in the tackle which means the arm/hurl is around a players neck or head.

[Milltown Row2]

It's a football tackle, you can only tackle the ball, certainly stand your ground but as Johnny says, its lazy and most ref's will assess whether or not the defender has used his arm illegally

[Dag Dog]

"Hurling referees have been advised to be mindful of players ducking into tackles in an attempt to win frees. Examples of recent league games were provided to officials of decisions going in favour of those who were simulating the fouls.

Across both codes, referees have been given the following checklist to factor in when considering to send off a player for a head-high tackle: if a contact is made to opponent's head, if the opponent has no opportunity to protect himself, if contact/impact is excessive or causes injury, if the elbow/forearm/shoulder is part of the contact, if the player making contact jumps or has been two feet off the ground, if the player making contact had a realistic alternative by way of challenging opponent and to the direction and distance covered by the player who makes contact."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-41375074.html

[Dag Dog]

At least the powers that be have copped on to it. It's still hard for a ref to spot in real time.