Ibrahim Halawa

Started by Eamonnca1, October 24, 2017, 06:05:44 PM

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whitey

Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 01:05:20 AM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on October 28, 2017, 12:25:56 AM
Was he innocent or not? Make up your mind.
Whitey made up his mind a long time ago.

We all know why that is.

That's your opinion....which you're perfectly entitled to

macdanger2

Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.

http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html

What an excellent piece.

It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.

When will the irish population wake up?

That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.

The facts of this case are cut and dried.

Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.

Innocent of what?

He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.

But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.

That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).

Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.

So why are the apologists on here continuing with the "poor child on holidays with his family" shtick, when that is clearly not the case.

He was an agitator for a radical Islamist group who travelled 2700 miles, to participate in a "Day of Rage" against a murderous military dictatorship

An agitator against an illegal military coup against a democratically elected radical Islamist group

foxcommander

Quote from: macdanger2 on October 28, 2017, 01:40:20 AM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:42:38 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 11:27:00 PM
Quote from: whitey on October 27, 2017, 11:19:01 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 27, 2017, 10:44:05 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on October 27, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 27, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 27, 2017, 01:22:12 PM
There are serious questions to be asked of the Halawas. Mainstream Irish media and our political leaders aren't asking them, but when your objective is to be seen to be inclusive to Muslims rather than to look at the story objectively, the hard questions are best left alone. Mark Humphrys writes an excellent piece on it here.

http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.st.html

What an excellent piece.

It certainly destroys the notion they were holidaymakers.

When will the irish population wake up?

That article is a load of tosh, anybody that considers the writer of such arrant nonsense to be a serious journalist needs their head examined.
There's a reason Mark Humphrys doesn't get printed anywhere outside of his own blog. It's because he's a looney. Tom Humphries would be a more credible source on Middle Eastern affairs.

The facts of this case are cut and dried.

Ibrahim Halawa is innocent. That really bugs a lot of people to whom facts are impervious.

Innocent of what?

He is absolutely Innocent when it comes to the trumped up charges that were levied against him.

But was he an innocent victim of circumstances beyond his control when he got lifted, or did he act foolishly arrogantly and recklessly by putting himself in that position to begin with?
You answered your own question there.

That he is innocent didn't stop you wanting to see him continue to be held in prison and tortured, possibly face the death penalty, and "more" (your word).

Again, you have a really, really messed up attitude to justice.

So why are the apologists on here continuing with the "poor child on holidays with his family" shtick, when that is clearly not the case.

He was an agitator for a radical Islamist group who travelled 2700 miles, to participate in a "Day of Rage" against a murderous military dictatorship

An agitator against an illegal military coup against a democratically elected radical Islamist group

So you have to ask yourself the question
if the Halawas, who are irish, are over in egypt agitating for radical islamic groups what is their goal for Ireland?
Support and build back up the Labour party?

For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

sid waddell

Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM


For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it?  ;D

Quelle ironie.

Asal Mor

Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM


For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it?  ;D

Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.

sid waddell

Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM


For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it?  ;D

Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.

So, what you're saying is that the Irish government should decide whether or not to use their influence to lobby for the freeing of an innocent Irish prisoner abroad, based on the prisoner's views on homosexuality*?

That, quite obviously, shouldn't matter a jot. It wouldn't matter if the prisoner believed all gay people should be burned at the stake. The Irish government should still be lobbying for their release.

*Which we don't actually know - you are ascribing those views to him, but whatever his views are, they are utterly irrelevant in the context of this case.

whitey

Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM


For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it?  ;D

Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.

The thing about liberals is they need victims....otherwise theyd have fvck all to do

In this case Zappone can feel especially good about herself because at least on face value, the "victim" (who brought everything on himself) in question subscribes to an ideology that in anethma to all she stands for.

The Uber liberals in particular seem to have a need to "Johnny one up" each other in an effort to prove how truly wonderful and open minded they are. 

Asal Mor

#127
Quote from: sid waddell on October 29, 2017, 01:33:19 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM


For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it?  ;D

Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.

So, what you're saying is that the Irish government should decide whether or not to use their influence to lobby for the freeing of an innocent Irish prisoner abroad, based on the prisoner's views on homosexuality*?

That, quite obviously, shouldn't matter a jot. It wouldn't matter if the prisoner believed all gay people should be burned at the stake. The Irish government should still be lobbying for their release.

*Which we don't actually know - you are ascribing those views to him, but whatever his views are, they are utterly irrelevant in the context of this case.
I did say Hussein Halawa, Ibrahim's father, who is on record as saying that homosexuality is "sinful" and has also been reported to have called it a disease and to support the death penalty for activist gays (people like Zappone). That's what makes it bizarre. I'm not ascribing anything to anyone. Please read more carefully.

Asal Mor

#128
Quote from: whitey on October 29, 2017, 01:40:04 AM
The thing about liberals is they need victims....otherwise theyd have fvck all to do

In this case Zappone can feel especially good about herself because at least on face value, the "victim" (who brought everything on himself) in question subscribes to an ideology that in anethma to all she stands for.

The Uber liberals in particular seem to have a need to "Johnny one up" each other in an effort to prove how truly wonderful and open minded they are.
I would say there's a lot of truth in that whitey and what Zappone needs to remember is that she's an elected official paid for her work, not some volunteer doing this for no reward. As such it's wrong for her to pose smiling in photos next to Hussein Halawa and suggests she's a woman of zero substance, who is more interested in photos for her twitter account of herself as the hero of the latest cause celebre, than fighting for what she believes in. If you were a gay man or woman living in an Islamic country which carries the death penalty for homosexual activity, I dare say you wouldn't be impressed. It's something she should have addressed and condemned, she could still have helped Ibrahim.

foxcommander

#129
Quote from: whitey on October 29, 2017, 01:40:04 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 28, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 28, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Quote from: foxcommander on October 28, 2017, 02:23:54 AM


For all those liberal PC folk who are advocates of LGBTQ rights,  surely backing the Halawas is a massive conflict of your standpoint?
Shouldn't you be a supporter fundamentalist Islamism, such as that practised in Saudi Arabia, given that you agree with so much of it?  ;D

Quelle ironie.
It's been bizarre watching Zappone in the middle of this, best buddies with the Halawas. If Hussein Halawa was a white, born and bred Irish man the liberal lynch mob would have torn him to shreds by now for his views on homosexuality.

The thing about liberals is they need victims....otherwise theyd have fvck all to do

In this case Zappone can feel especially good about herself because at least on face value, the "victim" (who brought everything on himself) in question subscribes to an ideology that in anethma to all she stands for.

The Uber liberals in particular seem to have a need to "Johnny one up" each other in an effort to prove how truly wonderful and open minded they are.

It is hilarious to watch Zappone fawn over this guy when realistically the group he's aligned to would stone her to death if they got their way. Turkeys voting for xmas is alive and well.


Sharia law ayyyyyyyyyy!!!

Maybe the apologists on here can tell me how exactly the Brotherhood of Islam is going to benefit Ireland as a society?

I think you've got it whitey - there seems to be some sort of sickness in liberal society where they feel the need to out-do each other in the moral superiority stakes. They can't take criticism or anyone who doesn't subscribe to their views but like to tell you that they are tolerant of everyone.

It's f**king bizarre. They need help or stronger meds.
Every second of the day there's a Democrat telling a lie

rosnarun

is this picture not exactly what liberal society is supposed to be about.
2 people who hate our society and to destroy it and each other notion can still come together to help each other . she helped him out of Prison and he's helping her get Votes.
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oakleaflad

I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week

Farrandeelin

Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week

He hardly has a book written about his ordeal already.
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vallankumous

Quote from: Farrandeelin on November 02, 2017, 03:21:37 PM
Quote from: oakleaflad on November 02, 2017, 03:14:01 PM
I see Ibrahim Halawa is to appear on the Late Late show this week

He hardly has a book written about his ordeal already.

i think he had it written before he got back.

Eamonnca1

Quote from: rosnarun on November 02, 2017, 02:45:47 PM
is this picture not exactly what liberal society is supposed to be about.
2 people who hate our society and to destroy it and each other notion can still come together to help each other . she helped him out of Prison and he's helping her get Votes.

If you're going to come to this country you should learn to speak proper English.